Lena Dunham, Most Days: The Male Gaze Oppresses Me and Is Hardly Different From Visual Rape<br>Lena Dunham Sitting Next to an Athlete: Why Won't This Asshole Give Me the Male Gaze?

Lena Dunham, Most Days: The Male Gaze Oppresses Me and Is Hardly Different From Visual Rape
Lena Dunham Sitting Next to an Athlete: Why Won't This Asshole Give Me the Male Gaze?

This interview, talking to Amy Schumer (!) of all loathsome people, helps explain why people hate the shit out of feminists.

It's not that there cannot be a decent feminism that most people could support.

It's that the Murderer's Row of idiots and monsters who define feminism insist only on the indecent varieties of it.

Here's the background, which is absolutely necessary for understanding how indecent this all is:

Recently, feminists went ber-fucking-zerk over an internet article written by a dude explaining how to pick up girls who are wearing headphones (that is, who aren't likely to hear you, because they're listening to music).

Feminists went absoultely ape-shit over this, as Mollie Z. Hemingway discusses in this Federalist podcast.

How dare this man give you advice on how to talk to a woman who is strongly signalling she doesn't want to be spoken to! Why, it's akin to a violation! She's carved out a safe space for herself using her headphones as gates and you, Rapist, are trying to break through those gates!

The insane fury of the feminists that followed can be said fairly to have broke the Internet.

So you have that? If a woman is trying to not notice you, it is a Violation and a fairly serious one to attempt a claim on her attention.

Feminists have spoken. This is now the Sex Law.

Well.

Turns out that rule only safeguards women who are using their phones to screen out attention from less-attractive men.

It turns out that fairly unattractive women can demand the attention of more-attractive men who are similarly using a phone to create a Bubble of Solitude around themselves, as Lena Dunham told Amy Schumer.

See, when Lena Dunham wanted attention from a pro athlete -- Odell Beckham Jr. of the New York Giants -- but he just looked at his phone instead of looking at her and chatting her up -- it provided her good reason to attack the horrible disrespect that men visit upon women less attractive than themselves.

I was sitting next to Odell Beckham Jr., and it was so amazing because it was like he looked at me and he determined I was not the shape of a woman by his standards. He was like, “That’s a marshmallow. That’s a child. That’s a dog.” It wasn't mean—he just seemed confused.
The vibe was very much like, “Do I want to fuck it? Is it wearing a … yep, it’s wearing a tuxedo. I’m going to go back to my cell phone.” It was like we were forced to be together, and he literally was scrolling Instagram rather than have to look at a woman in a bow tie.

I don't know how she squares her criticism of men who are unwilling to make pointless chit-chat with a woman they don't know ans also aren't interested in with the internet feminist freakout about men trying to get the attention of women who are unwilling to make pointless chit-chat with men they don't know and aren't interested in.

I guess Lena did as feminists say that men should do: She left Odell Beckham Jr. inside his Bubble of Solitude and did not (per her narrative, anyway) attempt to get his attention.

But she does complain of it afterwards, and accuse him, basically, of being an anti-feminist Woman Hater for refusing to take an interest in a woman he is not physically attracted to.

So which is it? Do people -- people, whether men or women -- owe someone who is less attractive but trying, gamely, to chat them up some polite responses?

Or do they not owe them this?

If someone appears to be Socially Unavailable -- listening to headphones, checking a phone -- do people (again, without specifying if they are men or women) owe that Socially Unavailable person the respect of leaving them the hell alone, or does the Socially Unavailable person owe the people around them some polite, empty chit-chat?

It cannot be that men owe women chit-chat if the woman wants chit-chat and the man doesn't, but that a woman owes the man nothing if the man wants chit-chat and she doesn't want it (or, in fact, the man actually owes the woman the security of leaving her alone, unharmed by his Word Rape).

You can create whatever ethical principles you want, but they must apply to all people. You cannot create vindictive and limiting rules to apply to others -- the Out-Tribe-- while not only affording your own Tribe endless latitude and licence, but in fact grant them the affirmative right of compelling people from the other Tribe to behave as they wish.

In other words: If feminism is to be a genuine philosophy with rigorous ethics that apply universally, it has to be ripped out of the hands of those who think "feminism" is merely a daily-changing list of Things That Princess Wants.

By the way, small humor in that Slate article. You know how feminists complain of men who, finding that the woman is not interested in them, say "oh she must be gay?"

That's the most pathetic form of woman-hating man-boy RedPill Mens Right Activist ultradweeb, right?

Well, not so much.

Because when Lena Dunham found that she could not attract the attention of a pro athlete (who I've never laid eyes on, but I assume he has a good body for a dude), the Slate writer was fairly quick to go to the "maybe he was just gay" well:

This may or may not be a fair characterization of Beckham’s behavior at the Met Ball. Maybe Beckham is just shy, or maybe he was in the middle of an important text conversation on his phone, or maybe he was just having a terrible night and didn’t want to make small talk. Perhaps (as the eternal rumors have it) he’s gay. Regardless, Dunham has tapped into a real phenomenon—men who really don’t know what to make of women who don’t sexually interest them—and I, for one, intend to borrow her marshmallow line the next time this happens to me.

So, again, Princesses: is the "maybe she's just a dyke" thing now fair for men to postulate? Or is it only when Princess says "maybe he's a fag" it's totes adorbz?

One rule, Princess. Not one rule for you and another rule for your enemies (all men).

It's shit like this -- shit that's unworthy even of the smallest, most selfish child -- that convinces people that you're just not serious minded people, and are just immature whiners who argue one way and now the other depending on whatever Princess Wants Right Now.

By the way: It's my own guess that a gay guy would have been pretty happy to talk to Lena Dunham. The fact that this guy said "I'd rather just look at my twitter timeline" suggests to me he's straight.

Just keepin' it real.

But let me speak a little less harshly here and explain something.

What Lena Dunham experienced is what the very same "trolls" of the RedPill and PUA community have experienced: the bruising, painful communication that someone you think is attractive doesn't find you attractive. That someone you find worthy doesn't also find you worthy.

There is no difference between men and women on this score, except for one, which i'll get to in a minute. All men have suffered the pains of rejection, and have had a bad night as the mulled over the sad fact that yet another person in the world doesn't think they're worth any romantic energy.

All women, too, have pined for a guy just a bit too far out of their league, and have been similarly bruised.

This is not a man vs. woman issue. This is something that joins us all -- we have all suffered this.

Well, maybe not all; the top 10% of the most physically attractive people of either sex have probably never been turned down (or at least have never been turned down flat in that way that says "You're not even worth a courtesy smile").

But that isn't a women vs. men thing. That's a Genetic Lottery Winner vs. The Less Fortunate 90% of Society thing.

But rather than recognize this -- that both men and women face hurt and humiliation by being rejected as we pursue the unquenchable, unstoppable drive to try to attract people of the opposite sex -- feminists turn this shared human experience into an experience in which only one gender is human and worthy of human sympathy, while the other is altogether inhuman, and unworthy of human sympathy.

Little secret about the Pick Up Artist guys the feminists despise so much, and so frequently deride as Trollish Sub-Men Not Even Worth A Courtesy Smile: these are men who especially feel the sting of rejection, and join the PUA groups to try to de-sensitize themselves to that bruising experience.

That is to say, the PUA guys are largely not the guys with the arrogant swagger that says "Yeah, I could have you, if I wanted to."

It's largely the guys who don't have that, but have noticed that the guys with that swagger tend to go home alone less frequently than others, and are trying to fake that sort of "I could care less if you come home to me tonight, but sure I'll make out with you as a goof" aloofness.*

I don't understand how people who are sensitive to their own insecure place in the Sexual Desirability Pecking Order can be so profoundly, vindictively insensitive to the exactly similar sensitivity/insecurity of others, simply because they're from the Enemy Gender.

But you do see a lot of this, alas, coming from both directions: A lot of guys who I'm guess are not exactly Crossfit Trainers are very vehement in their dismissal of women for the smallest imperfections (the "her elbows are too pointy" crowd)

But an awful lot of feminists, themselves not exactly in the top ten percent of feminine desirability, seem to harbor and equally vicious attitude to the "Trollz" who would dare to speak to them.

It's an uncomfortable thing on both sides when one party is interested and the other party is not. Everyone has been on both sides of this. The more attractive you are, the more you've experienced the "I'm just not interested" awkward/embarrassing side of it; the less attractive, the more you've felt the much more bitter sting of rejection.

But everyone has been on both sides of this.

Why so much venom for those on the rejection end of this, why so little sympathy, just because of this absurd ego-boosting pseudo-politics called "feminism"?

Personally, I have sympathy for the less-than-beautiful and the more-than-thin, claiming longtime membership in both clubs. And that sympathy extends to those similarly situated in the No One's Idea of a Looker club of both genders.

As a Wallflower myself, I understand full well that Wallflowers are shy, and easily hurt, but often kind of nice when you get to know them.

And that sympathy for Wallflowers extends to Amy Schumer and Lena Dunham.

I just don't understand why their sympathies don't extend the other way.

Well, that's a lie; I do understand. Because they subscribe to a self-justifying, ego-stroking fake "politics" which is no politics or philosophy at all but just a series of wildly inconsistent self-validations, a pseudopolitical hash of self-justifications united only by the basic theme that they should have whatever they want and should not have whatever they don't want.

If they want the attention of someone out of their league, they should have that; if a Troll Sub-Man below their standards wants their attention, the Troll Sub-Man should retreat to his Beta Shame Cave and just fuck off to die and leave them to listen to their iPod.

By the way:

I said earlier both sexes are similarly situated. That's 90% true.

It's false in one way: Men are expected (and probably biologically programmed) to be the initiators in any male-female exchange, and women are expected (and probably programmed) to desire the initiation of an exchange by an attractive man, but otherwise just wait for it.

I get that waiting for attention that never comes is frustrating as hell. When you wait for something, you feel quite powerless. You're quite at the mercy of someone else's initiative. Waiting can be painful.

But women ought to know, just so they know, that being the initiator is no walk in the park either. For the 30% of men with little sense of social inhibition and fairly resillient egos, getting rejected is no big deal.

And maybe women think that most men are like that, because those are the guys making most of the off-handed, casual propositions.

A lot of men want to say hello and offer to buy a drink, but remain frozen, due to fear of rejection.

The great majority of men, 70% or so, feel rejection just as acutely as women, and actually don't enjoy having to play the role of initiator. For a lot of guys, the thought of having to cross a room, gain a woman's brief attention, and then say something witty and winning is more unnerving than publicy addressing a room of strangers (and addressing them about a topic you know nothing about).

I really do understand the woman's side of this is tough sledding.

But I wish more feminists would understand that the male end of this isn't any easier. (I think non-feminist women get this, but most feminists chose vindictively not to sympathize with the poor, unattractive fool who just crossed the room only to be shot down instantly.)

If feminism is a sub-type of humanism, maybe it's time for feminists to allow more humanity in their sexual politics.

* My own theory on why the Jerk Initiation seems to work is that the guys using this I-really-don't-care sort of strategy are sexually confident because they're already good looking, so this is a less a case of "Act like a Jerk and the Women will come panting" than "Yeah these guys are good looking enough that any stratagem has a fair shot of working."

They don't need a pick-up line, see? That's why they get away with offering such low-quality ones.

So I personally wouldn't recommend it to anyone who hasn't already found great success with it.

You guys know who you are already. Lucky bastards.

Posted by: Ace at 05:58 PM

Comments

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1 Foist

Posted by: Hotspur at September 06, 2016 05:59 PM (5cgIv)

2 Top 3?

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2016 06:01 PM (r65B3)

3 Must have been a helluva movie.

Posted by: Identifying Last at September 06, 2016 06:02 PM (geNHc)

4 Lena Dunham is a gas egg.

Posted by: DanMan at September 06, 2016 06:02 PM (RusNE)

5 Just knowing how miserable feminists will be until the day they die is a soothing balm that let's me just simply be amused by whatever new outrage they want to discuss instead of being upset by it.

Posted by: Maritime at September 06, 2016 06:02 PM (yJnbe)

6 (who I've never laid eyes on, but I assume he has a good body for a dude)

His rack is nothing to write home about.

Posted by: blaster at September 06, 2016 06:03 PM (tewYv)

7 NOTE to MS Dunham:
If we ever meet, I do NOT want to fvck.
Clear on that?
You are just not that interesting.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2016 06:03 PM (r65B3)

8 Is Lena Dunham so completely self-centered that she actually believes she is an attractive woman? Does she truly think men should fall at her feet because ugly critics have heaped so much praise upon her?

Why is this woman even famous?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:05 PM (gA69l)

9 Wow, Dunham and Schumer.

That'd be a ham sammich for sure.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at September 06, 2016 06:05 PM (U6f54)

10 Lena is about as attractive as Hillary! during a naked coughing fit.

Posted by: wth at September 06, 2016 06:05 PM (HgMAr)

11 And this is why women get accused of being unstable, irrational, emotional, drama-spewing maniacs (did I leave anything out?)

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 06, 2016 06:06 PM (Pt4DS)

12 Yeah that is one long thread there...No now if there were naked pics and some porno in it, I'd maybe read the whole thing...but that much about Lena D...yeah I'll skip to the comments. I'm not proud of that, it is just who I am.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 06:06 PM (Ozsfq)

13 This Dunham gal is still around?

Posted by: william at September 06, 2016 06:06 PM (JMJJs)

14 ....... and women are expected (and probably programmed) to desire the initiation of an exchange by an attractive man, but otherwise just wait for it.

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Oh...... fuck you little furry hobo hunter. Fuck. You.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at September 06, 2016 06:07 PM (JmjOe)

15 Odell Bekham Jr. has eyeballs.

I did not know that.

Posted by: Steve Buscemi leg in a wood chippa with a Patrick Duffy leg at September 06, 2016 06:07 PM (qUNWi)

16 And I need to know Lena Durham's sex life because?
And it might have been a good move disabling Java

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2016 06:08 PM (0G2eQ)

17 Women encountering the rejection men face daily. Stop press.

Recently, feminists went ber-fucking-zerk over an internet article written by a dude explaining how to pick up girls who are wearing headphones (that is, who aren't likely to hear you, because they're listening to music).

I believe the article was written by a woman, who was giving advice to men.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 06, 2016 06:08 PM (SRKgf)

18 Lena Dunham is a gas egg.

I don't know why that's funny but it is.

Posted by: Steve Buscemi leg in a wood chippa with a Patrick Duffy leg at September 06, 2016 06:08 PM (qUNWi)

19 Oh, and something Dunham and everyone else skips over - she was wearing a TUXEDO. Which is, I know, I am a hater for pointing this out, a traditionally MALE uniform.

So, if a chick is wearing dude clothing, he's prolly not into dudes is what most dudes are thinking.

So, yeah. You want to be noticed as a woman? Look like a woman.

That's probably a hate crime, but, what, they are going to cancel my viewing privileges for Girls or something?

Posted by: blaster at September 06, 2016 06:08 PM (tewYv)

20 Pretty sure I wouldn't pee on Lena's hands if she had just picked hot peppers.

Maybe I'm being hasty. Let me think about this a little more.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 06, 2016 06:08 PM (ZFUt7)

21 >>Is Lena Dunham so completely self-centered that she actually believes she is an attractive woman? Does she truly think men should fall at her feet because ugly critics have heaped so much praise upon her?

Actually, ace left off that back end of this pig fight. Dunham apologized profusely and tried to use the excuse that she was just so tired of being fugly and uninteresting to men for her actions after the SJW army turned on her for bitching about a fellow member of the victim coalition, a black man.

I know, it's confusing. Good news is that all the injuries are on their side.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 06, 2016 06:09 PM (/tuJf)

22 These "feminists" are being perfectly consistent: It's always the man's fault.

Posted by: Socratease at September 06, 2016 06:09 PM (FqHs5)

23 Women encountering the rejection men face daily.

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And she's not even married yet!!

Posted by: fixerupper at September 06, 2016 06:09 PM (JmjOe)

24 Maybe Beckham only has erotic interest in his own species.

Sorry, Lena. Go try your luck with manatees.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 06, 2016 06:10 PM (SRKgf)

25 What the hell is happening to this country? Women are now claiming "eye-rapes" and instead of shunning and laughing at the alleged victim, the media is reporting this nonsense.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:10 PM (gA69l)

26 Lena Dunham, the sexual molester of her little sister, suffers teenage angst over a jock. And tweets about it. Why can't we rid ourselves of these beasts?

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 06, 2016 06:11 PM (43OZ6)

27
Wow!

Posted by: Lonssum Sam the Oppressor Man at September 06, 2016 06:11 PM (KbR/t)

28 I know, it's confusing. Good news is that all the injuries are on their side.

This is what happens to a civilization when it is overrun by liberalism.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:11 PM (gA69l)

29 I remembered when Ace said he would make out with Kate Upton as a goof.

With THOSE elbows?!

Standards, dude!

Posted by: moviegique at September 06, 2016 06:11 PM (7zeA4)

30 That's probably a hate crime, but, what, they are going to cancel my viewing privileges for Girls or something?

Posted by: blaster at September 06, 2016 06:08 PM (tewYv)

Only for one week. First prize is having them cancelled for two weeks.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 06, 2016 06:12 PM (SRKgf)

31 He was like, "That's a marshmallow. That's a child. That's a dog."

That's her view. Of herself. In her own words.

It would be disrespectful to modify her words at all.

Posted by: MTF at September 06, 2016 06:12 PM (/m8T6)

32 He looks at me like a sex object, that bastard!

He's not looking at me, maybe I need to change my hair style. Maybe a new lipstick.

Posted by: Lena's Lizard Brain at September 06, 2016 06:12 PM (geNHc)

33 11 And this is why women get accused of being unstable, irrational, emotional, drama-spewing maniacs (did I leave anything out?)
Posted by: OregonMuse at September 06, 2016 06:06 PM (Pt4DS)

Pathological homicidal lying psychopaths, hustlers, and grifters.

Not all but lots in the 45 and younger age group.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 06:12 PM (0fbbp)

34 Who bitch this is?

Posted by: Odell Beckham Jr. at September 06, 2016 06:13 PM (4ErVI)

35 So you have that? If a woman is trying to not notice you, it is a Violation
and a fairly serious one to attempt a claim on her attention.

Feminists have spoken. This is now the Sex Law.

For this one time. You're dealing with progressives, ace. Progressives make up shit as they go along. They make up a Rule and then the Rule is forgotten the next day when what they want is completely opposite to what they said they wanted yesterday. It is useless to hold them to quaint expectations such as logic, common sense, or consistency.

Progressive "thought" is not thought at all; it's anti-thought. It's raw emotion masquerading as reason. It cannot be reasoned with or appeased.

And it controls most of our culture.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 06, 2016 06:13 PM (Pt4DS)

36 yeah I'll skip to the comments. I'm not proud of that, it is just who I am.Posted by: Nevergiveup

It's actually pretty damn good. Ace in introspection mode.

I prefer not to look at myself in the mirror that honestly.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 06, 2016 06:13 PM (ZFUt7)

37 One thing I've noticed over the years is that the Lena Dunham's of the world are the ones who will tell a raunchy joke in mixed company, laugh too hard if a man says something funny, make various bodily suggestive moves in front of men. I've witnessed this behavior time and time again.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 06:14 PM (CFc5L)

38 Seriously, read her groveling apology. She is just a few short years away from a complete psychotic break.

http://tinyurl.com/h37nekn

Posted by: JackStraw at September 06, 2016 06:14 PM (/tuJf)

39 Finally, The Lena has returned to AoSHQ!

Can an ONT Lena retrospective be far behind?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 06, 2016 06:14 PM (0XyIg)

40 Let's see, doughy, pasty, untalented white woman with horrible tats believes a professional athlete should be interested in her instead of, say, Charlize Theron. Got it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:14 PM (gA69l)

41 Alternate theory. Odell looked up and recognized that it was Lena Dunham, and wanted nothing to do with her at all. And were it a different woman dressed the same way he may have been willing to talk to.

Posted by: Hillary at September 06, 2016 06:15 PM (z/Ubi)

42 39 Finally, The Lena has returned to AoSHQ!
Can an ONT Lena retrospective be far behind?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 06, 2016 06:14 PM (0XyIg)

Of course! It's Rapey Tuesday!

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 06, 2016 06:15 PM (Pt4DS)

43 Sweetheart I don't speak manatee...

//Odell Beckham jr

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:15 PM (SzZnW)

44 Sweet fucking pickles!!
What is this high school bullshit?!?
NANNER IS NOT PLEASED
I do not need some bullshit angst from some pasty fat marshmallowgina intruding into my brainpan! Even to dispose of it!
:::assumes lotus position, thinks soothing Winona-thoughts:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 06, 2016 06:15 PM (nx6Qx)

45 /sock

Posted by: buzzion at September 06, 2016 06:15 PM (z/Ubi)

46 Femynysm is just an elaborate scheme to allow womyn to henpeck and scold with a pretense that they're not.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:15 PM (+wjl1)

47 15 Posted by: Steve Buscemi leg in a wood chippa with a Patrick Duffy leg at September 06, 2016 06:07 PM (qUNWi)

Not really, I catch the ball via braille.

//Odell Beckham jr

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:16 PM (SzZnW)

48 Is it wearing a , yep, it......s wearing a tuxedo.

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What .... the ..... fuck.....???

How does Lena Dunham wear a tuxedo and NOT look like a butch penquin??

I dont want to fuck penquins either.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 06, 2016 06:16 PM (JmjOe)

49 So this movie was better than Now You See Me 2, right?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 06, 2016 06:17 PM (kumBu)

50 46 Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:15 PM (+wjl1)

Amen, even I can see that....

//Helen Keller

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:17 PM (SzZnW)

51 Who IS She?!? I hear her name repeatedly, but don't think I have ever seen this person.

Posted by: dott at September 06, 2016 06:17 PM (Fm7W+)

52 "I was sitting next to Odell Beckham Jr.,"
.............

Might not have been just your looks Lena, have you taken a shower lately?

Posted by: wth at September 06, 2016 06:17 PM (HgMAr)

53 Wait... Lena Dunham is a real person?! I thought she was a metaphor and warning to the future.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at September 06, 2016 06:17 PM (t41dG)

54 OF but so what.
I went and read most of the Phyllis Schlaffly comments as I had time on break and lunch today as I wasn't around for it.
I want to say thanks for all the love shown her in that that thread.
Like most everyone else I never met her but since about 1990 have loved her due to her work.
If you needed ammo for a discussion with a lib she had more cans of 50 cal than you could shake five sticks at.

Posted by: teej at September 06, 2016 06:17 PM (9WcJw)

55 8:Why is this woman even famous?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp

This. She is a mediocrity. Same with Schumer. Neither are ugly, just not noticeable. They are awful people, which doesn't help there looks. If you are not winners in the genetic lottery, it helps to be pleasant. Neither are.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 06, 2016 06:17 PM (sJGDn)

56 Id hit it.

Posted by: No Sober Dude Ever at September 06, 2016 06:18 PM (GckyN)

57 48 Posted by: fixerupper at September 06, 2016 06:16 PM (JmjOe)

Don't knock it 'til you tried it...

//TN Tuxedo esq

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:18 PM (SzZnW)

58 While we're at it, why is Amy Schumer famous? She's about as funny as my morning bowel movement.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:18 PM (gA69l)

59 When they start selling the robot sex dolls, the factory should just send out a hit squad on anyone who orders a dunham model.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 06, 2016 06:18 PM (FLJFl)

60 What sickens me is people like Amy Schumer and Lena Dunham have a "platform" because they are ugly and/or fat and other ugly women want to feel better about themselves, so they try and make these also ugly women "icons" purely in the vain hope it will somehow make society flip its ideas about attractive women.

These same ugly women also will scream in ectasy when these disgusting blobs pose nude, because it makes the same ugly women feel good about their bodies.

And you better not EVER say these overweight women aren't the most beautiful thing you've ever seen. If a prominent comedian made fun of these fat chicks when they posed nude, he would be burned at the stake.

Posted by: Maritime at September 06, 2016 06:18 PM (yJnbe)

61 Lowered Expect-tah-hay-shuuuuuns:
https://youtu.be/l3k_JvrYsAQ

Posted by: bananaDream at September 06, 2016 06:18 PM (Ag8Mw)

62
What is a Feminist?

a Feminist: a woman who wants to boss everyone around, especially men, and be the center of attention.

that's what a 'feminist' is

A Feminist has absolutely nothing to do women's equality or rights.

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:19 PM (nbwEb)

63 It's false in one way: Men are expected (and probably biologically programmed) to be the initiators in any male-female exchange, and women are expected (and probably programmed) to desire the initiation of an exchange by an attractive man, but otherwise just wait for it.

And even that isn't 100% true. More like women are expected to not overtly initiate an exchange, but they are allowed to use implicit come-ons. Bedroom eyes, touching your shoulder, "accidentally" pushing her boob into arm... OK, that last one is getting into overt territory, but it still has plausible deniability.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 06, 2016 06:19 PM (R+30W)

64 58 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:18 PM (gA69l)

"If Miss Piggy had a body double..."

no Schumer gets contracts b/c her uncle is a connected donk demigod of shitheadedness....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:19 PM (SzZnW)

65 I couldn't fuck a gorilla!! And I couldn't do a whole lot with a marshmallow either!!

Posted by: Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr at September 06, 2016 06:19 PM (nx6Qx)

66 Lenaaaaa! Leeeeeeeennnaaaaaaaa!

You better run!

I'm a-comin' to GITCHOO!

Posted by: The Oberlin guy in the purple cowboy boots at September 06, 2016 06:20 PM (Pt4DS)

67 a Feminist: a woman who wants to boss everyone around, especially men, and be the center of attention.

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... you misspelled "manhater"

Posted by: fixerupper at September 06, 2016 06:20 PM (JmjOe)

68
A Feminist is a woman who fancies herself a Queen, ruler of all.

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:20 PM (nbwEb)

69 So, in a nutshell, your average NBA player can do a hell of a lot better than Lena Dunham.
And as a strong, independent feminist woman, she's being a blubbering crybaby about it.

That's what I hate about feminism, they actually encourage women to be weak, whiny crybabies.
Instead they need to face up to the fact that men have to deal with a lot of shit too. It's called life.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 06, 2016 06:20 PM (+lVUW)

70 Maybe the dude just didn't want an accusation of rape.

Even though, as it happened, she accused him of something similar even though he didn't do shit.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:20 PM (+wjl1)

71
#dicksoutforspurnedfeminists

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:20 PM (nbwEb)

72 Only in a feminist dominated society can one gender abuse children sexually and openly brag about it.

There are no consequences for their behavior. The worse they act, the least likely they are to face any consequences.

And men are to blame for allowing this shit to get to wear we are today. Because of trading favors with the sisterhood for the hopes of sex.

We are all boned now.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 06:21 PM (0fbbp)

73 no Schumer gets contracts b/c her uncle is a connected donk demigod of shitheadedness....

They really try to doll Schumer up in those Bud Light commercials with that douchebag Seth Rogen. They failed.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:21 PM (gA69l)

74 I actually have/had a neighbor who is Lena's boss. She was married to one of the nicest men I've ever known. A doctor, for guys, just to fuzz it up a little.

He was losing his hair. Besides that one helluva guy.

The entire crew of 'girls' is fucked up men haters.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 06, 2016 06:21 PM (ZFUt7)

75 "The great majority of men, 70% or so, feel rejection just as acutely as women, and actually don't enjoy having to play the role of initiator. For a lot of guys, the thought of having to cross a room, gain a woman's brief attention, and then say something witty and winning is more unnerving than publicy addressing a room of strangers (and addressing them about a topic you know nothing about)."

Absolutely. I'd rather give a stranger's eulogy than hit on a random woman at a bar.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 06, 2016 06:21 PM (kumBu)

76 69 Posted by: nerdygirl at September 06, 2016 06:20 PM (+lVUW)

It's the "PITY ME, PITY ME!" thing of this upcoming generation...

we are going to get our clocks cleaned this century....

bank on it.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:21 PM (SzZnW)

77 >>>If a prominent comedian made fun of these fat chicks when they posed nude, he would be burned at the stake.

Amy Shumer sat on my face while "Freebird" was playing. Really woulda liked to have heard the ending.

Posted by: NonPromiment Comedian at September 06, 2016 06:22 PM (GckyN)

78 Looks like that IF is working and ace is one a keytone high?

Cliff notes. Ugly FAT women deserve scorn. They don't care about themselves, why should you care about them?

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 06, 2016 06:22 PM (NbJXF)

79 Lena 1.0 is worthy of some respect.

*ducks all the rotten tomatos you're throwing at me*

She's like I don't have a conventionally attractive body but I'm still a girl with a libido and I have the courage to put it out on the teevee and challenge your notions of what is attractive. That's genuine feminism.

It's just that if that's your premise it is the height of hypocrisy to shriek "I demand that you find me attractive".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 06:22 PM (mgbwf)

80 >>>
And even that isn't 100% true. More like women are expected to not overtly initiate an exchange, but they are allowed to use implicit come-ons. Bedroom eyes, touching your shoulder, "accidentally" pushing her boob into arm... OK, that last one is getting into overt territory, but it still has plausible deniability.

correct, good point, however: those are not overt, and they can be ignored, and if the man ignores them: Is he uninterested, or did he simply fail to read the signals?

A woman is not quite sure, whereas a man's initiative, being overt and decision-oriented, has a clear response "Why yes you can buy me a drink" or "No thank you, I'm married."

I really hate the "No thank you, I'm married" turn-down from women who are PLAINLY not married, such as the 8th graders I mostly hit on.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:22 PM (dciA+)

81 73 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:21 PM (gA69l)

They had to apply her make-up with a trowel.

I used to try to be indifferent to these two "darlings" but they have a cancerous and not miniscule enough societal impact.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:23 PM (SzZnW)

82
Correction:

Feminist: a bitter woman who wants to boss everyone, especially men, and be the center of attention.

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:23 PM (nbwEb)

83 26 Lena Dunham, the sexual molester of her little sister, suffers teenage angst over a jock. And tweets about it. Why can't we rid ourselves of these beasts?

Back when The Simpsons was funny, there was an episode where you meet Ned Flanders parents in a flashback. They were Beatnicks and Ned was there out of control son. At a therapist office they said "we did nothing and were all out of ideas" (or something to that effect). Lena had Ned Flanders parents. There is a reason she is a fucking mess. I kind of feel sorry for her. She never had a decent upbringing. Same for Huma's kid. He's doomed.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 06, 2016 06:23 PM (sJGDn)

84 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at September 06, 2016 06:23 PM (uPt3V)

85 38 Seriously, read her groveling apology. She is just a few short years away from a complete psychotic break.

http://tinyurl.com/h37nekn

Posted by: JackStraw at September 06, 2016 06:14 PM (/tuJf)

Yeah, but that's true of most feminists.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 06, 2016 06:23 PM (Pt4DS)

86 "That bitch was so hot, man! I TOTALLY put the gaze to her!"

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 06, 2016 06:23 PM (Kucy5)

87 Seriously though I just decided to keep my mouth shut because I was afraid if I opened it, I'd vomit.

Posted by: Odell Beckham Jr. at September 06, 2016 06:24 PM (4ErVI)

88 I used to try to be indifferent to these two "darlings" but they have a cancerous and not miniscule enough societal impact.

Like the kardashians, we will be forced to like them, no matter how despicable they may be.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:24 PM (gA69l)

89 "If feminism is to be a genuine philosophy with rigorous ethics that apply universally..."

You lost me there.

Posted by: havildar-major at September 06, 2016 06:24 PM (jpW6t)

90
That's genuine feminism.

Yes, exactly according to my definition above.

For once, Bandersnoot, we agree on something.

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:24 PM (nbwEb)

91 Might not have been just your looks Lena, have you taken a shower lately?

Posted by: wth at September 06, 2016 06:17 PM (HgMAr)

When you breath smells like tuna fish from just having gone down on your skanky girlfriend, no one is interested in you nasty tattoos.

Just go the fck away.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 06, 2016 06:25 PM (NbJXF)

92 Regardless, Dunham has tapped into a real phenomenon, men who really don't know what to make of women who don't sexually interest them

Men do the same thing with women they aren't sexually interested in that women do with men they aren't sexually interested in. They go look for someone else. Men look for someone hotter, women look for someone richer. As my late mother used to say, "Life isn't fair."

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 06, 2016 06:25 PM (+lVUW)

93 OT
And now hopefully auto puke will recognize that.

Posted by: teej at September 06, 2016 06:25 PM (9WcJw)

94 "I was sitting next to Odell Beckham Jr., and it was so amazing because it was like he looked at me and he determined I was not the shape of a woman by his standards."
...........

Yeah, he likes women who don't need two seats and hog the armrests.

Posted by: wth at September 06, 2016 06:25 PM (HgMAr)

95 Lena Dunham? Yeah the burka is still required.

Posted by: ISIS at September 06, 2016 06:25 PM (9hoR+)

96 i know a lot of women who make subtle signals which are ignored and then freeze in this state of confusion, unsure if the guy missed the signal or what.

I always tell them the same thing: Move on. He didn't miss the signal. And if he's interested, he will need no signal anyway. Do yourself a favor, put him out of mind, and just move on.

People getting together is the easiest thing in the world, IF both want to get together. If one doesn't want to get together, that's where you get these "mixed signals."

but the signals are NOT mixed: He is, as the book title has it, just not that into you.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:25 PM (dciA+)

97 79 Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 06:22 PM (mgbwf)

Uh "yeah" look they used every camera trick possible to make her palatable and got >-< that close in season one...

then she got her "Lard Flavored Hagen-Daz" endorsement and well....

essentially I am tired of being told she is "cute and girlish" and I sure as hell am tired of being expected to stunt double for Linda Lovelace concerning Miss Piggy version 2.0.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:25 PM (SzZnW)

98 89 "If feminism is to be a genuine philosophy with rigorous ethics that apply universally..."

You lost me there.

Posted by: havildar-major at September 06, 2016 06:24 PM (jpW6t)

Yeah same here. There's absolutely nothing logical or ethical about it. It's based on popcorn farts and emotions. It's also against biology so is doomed to failure in the future.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 06, 2016 06:26 PM (4ErVI)

99 As I explained the other day to Number One Son, rationality is not the primary factor when dealing with most women. When dealing with a crazy women rationally is not even in the running.

Posted by: freaked at September 06, 2016 06:26 PM (BO/km)

100 Well, if we are going down the rabbit hole of trying to parse what Lena is saying into some sort of rational thought...

There exist attractive outfits for Lena's body type.

There is an entire subset of the fashion industry that toils tirelessly to produce clothing that flatters that body type, accentuating the positive and playing down the negative aspects.

Similarly, there are makeup and hairdos that work extremely well with a face like Lena's.

She doesn't make use of them. At least, not often.

She consciously chooses outfits, makeup, hairstyles, and tattoos that make her look awful.

Not awful in a way that draws attention (strangely enough), but in a way that specifically repels the eye.

A google search will show you about 95% pictures that make you actually want to look away and about 1 out of twenty that present her in a manner that is eh, not bad. Or even good.

She spends more money looking painfully unattractive than other women spend looking good.

Posted by: Sweet Lou at September 06, 2016 06:26 PM (Fzaq0)

101
There is no "feminism." It's a load of bullshit. It's a stupid label stupid women apply to themselves. These women also like to use the word "empower," another idiotic meaningless term stupid people use.

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:26 PM (nbwEb)

102 Awww... but then you get the Woman who is playing 'hard to get'....

I had a crush on a girl growing up... but I was the nerd, she was the Cheerleader...

She never gave me the time of day...

Fast forward to College... after I'd been Pole vaulting for years, and saw her at a Ski resort... tried again but she didn't seem interested... and there were plenty of other fish in the sea...

Fast forward to friends Wedding in my mid 20's... Sailor home on leave... saw her there... wouldn't even dance with me...

Saw her at a High School reunion a few years ago... (she had not aged well)... and she told me she always regretted us not going out... and wondered why I had never asked her out...

/facepalm....

Posted by: Don Q at September 06, 2016 06:26 PM (qf6WZ)

103 People getting together is the easiest thing in the world, IF both want to get together. If one doesn't want to get together, that's where you get these "mixed signals."

This. ^

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:27 PM (gA69l)

104 >>>I just don't understand why their sympathies don't extend the other way.<<<

Because they're bitchez, brah. Bitchez.

Posted by: Fritz at September 06, 2016 06:27 PM (HVQlX)

105 The "Act like a jerk" routine is very effective if done right. Requires a great (and mean) sense of humor. I had a friend who could pull this off. Woman seemed crazy about it, partly because women love a man with a sense of humor.

Posted by: Max Power at September 06, 2016 06:27 PM (q177U)

106 Just to throw this out here, because a lot of us are straight (VERY) masculine (VERY) types, this was at the Met Gala, if I understand correctly.

The Met Gala is "the cool kids table at lunch" taken to a global (or at least Western Civ) scale. So not only was Dunham expecting attention from world class athlete (which, I don't know, the idea that she wasn't spoken to specifically BECAUSE she's Lena Dunham is intriguing), she was expecting it in a room full of people who were the most "in" people in the world, most of them dressed in a way that would've made Louis and Marie say "Dial it back a bit."

It reminds of the "Hunger Games", more than anything.

Posted by: moviegique at September 06, 2016 06:27 PM (7zeA4)

107 If I had to sit next to Lena I might toss some bait fish her way but I damn sure ain't gonna talk to her.

Posted by: Ant Weiner at September 06, 2016 06:27 PM (BO/km)

108 Beckhams publicist should declare war for this...but he will end up,taking her to a prom somewhere. Lena is a messed up dude...I mean dudette

Posted by: Patrick Henry at September 06, 2016 06:27 PM (5Tck3)

109 Ace: I don't know what's changed on the main page recently but it's completely crashing Firefox for me every 3rd or 4th time I visit. I don't even bother trying if I have multiple tabs open any more. I've tried blocking everything in Adblock Plus and it's no help.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 06, 2016 06:27 PM (weUkB)

110 Is there someone in the "media" any skankyer than Dunhan? Why does she command ANY attention by anyone?

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 06, 2016 06:28 PM (NbJXF)

111 Yo!

Posted by: Yo!
...........

Whoa!

Posted by: Odell taking a quick glance at what's sitting next to him at September 06, 2016 06:28 PM (HgMAr)

112 I doubt I'd have much to say to a weirdo woman with perma-bed head wearing a fucking tuxedo.

Hey maybe I'm wrong and we'd hit it off. But the wrapper tells me we wouldn't.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 06, 2016 06:28 PM (4ErVI)

113 Bedroom eyes, touching your shoulder, "accidentally" pushing her boob into arm...

When I was much younger, there was a gorgeous woman who worked for my wife. She gave me the old boob into the arm thing once when she'd had a few. I'm proud to say I was too much of a chicken to do anything about it. I don't imagine it would have turned out well.

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2016 06:28 PM (LAe3v)

114 "correct, good point, however: those are not overt, and they can be ignored, and if the man ignores them: Is he uninterested, or did he simply fail to read the signals?

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:22 PM (dciA+) "

Yeah, that's another thing. I have no idea how many times I've actually been hit on. I'm like...I dunno, a 7? And my attitude is that guys like me just don't get hit on - only those genetic lottery winners get hit on. So maybe I've been hit on and missed the signals, because I'm predisposed to think that women just aren't going to hit on me - I have to be the initiator.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 06, 2016 06:28 PM (kumBu)

115 Not-Rape is like Rape!!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:28 PM (+wjl1)

116 If Hagen Daas made a Lena Dunham Ice Cream, would it be "Bitter Angry Marshmallow"?

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at September 06, 2016 06:28 PM (t41dG)

117 I read through the entire epistle (wow, Ace) and frankly, am still confused about what she was confused about - he was not interested in talking to you - a pudgy, white woman - if you were Beyonce, I wager he would be chatting up a storm. Is that fair? Maybe not, but that is how the world is. It's not how you want it to be.

Posted by: IC at September 06, 2016 06:28 PM (a0IVu)

118
Lena Dunham is just someone who Doesn't Like How Others Think.

That also makes her a "feminist."

She hates how people think when they don't think the way she wants them to think.

She, like all feminists, are just emotionally-stunted, immature, selfish women who hate the cards they were dealt in Life.

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:29 PM (nbwEb)

119 >>>105 The "Act like a jerk" routine is very effective if done right. Requires a great (and mean) sense of humor. I had a friend who could pull this off. Woman seemed crazy about it, partly because women love a man with a sense of humor.
Posted by: Max Power

i have a feeling your friend is simply attractive and virtually any gambit would work for him most of the time.

the thing about lines is that if the woman fancies you, no line is needed, and if she doesn't, no line is sufficient to bridge the chasm of disinterest.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:29 PM (dciA+)

120 >>IF both want to get together. If one doesn't want to get together, that's where you get these "mixed signals."

Cmon, man. Use your resources!

Posted by: Bill Cosby at September 06, 2016 06:29 PM (GckyN)

121 Is there someone in the "media" any skankyer than Dunhan? Why does she command ANY attention by anyone?

She makes Kim Kardashian look like Amy Adams.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 06, 2016 06:29 PM (gA69l)

122 What?

Am I supposed to care what these twits and morons feel about anything?

Posted by: dagny at September 06, 2016 06:29 PM (brElc)

123 "I was sitting next to Odell Beckham Jr., and it was so amazing because it was like he looked at me and he determined I was not the shape of a woman by his standards."

Damn but the self-shaming and projection is strong in this one. Maybe Beckham does in fact know more about her than she wants to admit and says to himself, "Oh shit. Not her. She's a GD psycho moonbat freakshow. Odell, DO NOT GLANCE. Keep focused on your phone, the floor, anything but the Bizarro Ball in your orbit."

She ever think of that? 'Cause that's what I think of her once I get past her hot dog bun physique.

I denounce myself because hater.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 06, 2016 06:29 PM (1CroS)

124 116 Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at September 06, 2016 06:28 PM (t41dG)

Tuna/Lard/Stay-Puft casserole flavored Hagen-Daz

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:29 PM (SzZnW)

125 She never had a decent upbringing. Same for Huma's kid. He's doomed.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 06, 2016 06:23 PM (sJGDn)

Yeah, who's going to raise that poor thing?
1. Huma, who's busy being gawd only knows what to The Beast.
2. The perv who doesn't have the brains to put the kid out of the bed before he does his pervy stuff.
3. The mother's terrorist, Jew hating relatives in Saudi Arabia.
4. The father's Jewish family who could end up being blown up by the terrorist Saudi grandparents.
It's a conundrum.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 06, 2016 06:29 PM (+lVUW)

126
Or maybe he recognized her and decided it was safer to stare at his cell phone than risk saying something to the batshit crazy broad and ending up being accused of something in the next days newspaper

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 06, 2016 06:30 PM (lKyWE)

127 The simplest line, "Hi, my name is [Name], and I'd like to get to know you better" is balls-out ballsy and very simple and will work every time IF THE WOMAN IS INTERESTED AT ALL.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:30 PM (dciA+)

128 The real problem here is that she thinks she can drag the guy out and humiliate him in public for doing nothing. Really? This is the kind of thing you bitch with your girlfriend about (or, better yet, deal with introspectively), not for the entertainment of millions on Twitter.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:30 PM (+wjl1)

129 I see Fox has come to a settlement with a "handful" of other women.

Well...I've always said more than a handful is wasted.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2016 06:30 PM (r65B3)

130 "The Game" by Neil Strauss is an excellent look into pick up culture, highly recommended.

He has a great sense of self awareness, and the book is equal parts funny and sad.

Posted by: Max Power at September 06, 2016 06:31 PM (q177U)

131 Dating in the West really is the last true "free market", even a ridiculous amount of shaming by society is not going to get a guy to date a woman he's repulsed by.

I don't know how Progressives will "fix" this inequality? Maybe bring back arranged marriages?

It definitely bothers them enormously that they get to be sleighted like this without reperucussions.

Posted by: Maritime at September 06, 2016 06:31 PM (yJnbe)

132 Getting a handjob from chick in a tuxedo is just weird.

Posted by: Fritz at September 06, 2016 06:31 PM (HVQlX)

133 119 Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:29 PM (dciA+)

"attractive enough" with funny wit and self-deprecating antics works well...

"attractive enough" being the key, and Mare Manatee ain't in the continent let alone city as "attractive enough"

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:31 PM (SzZnW)

134 Getting a handjob from chick in a tuxedo is just weird.

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Eddie Murphy at September 06, 2016 06:31 PM (gA69l)

135 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 06, 2016 06:27 PM (weUkB)

had that same problem , then Anon Y Mouse suggested uMatrix, that fixed it for me.

Posted by: runner at September 06, 2016 06:31 PM (c6/9Q)

136 >>>132 Getting a handjob from chick in a tuxedo is just weird.
Posted by: Fritz

do not knock it until you haff tried it

Posted by: Marlena Dietricht at September 06, 2016 06:32 PM (dciA+)

137
Odell Beckham should tweet: Oops, my bad, I thought I was sitting next to Chaz Bono.

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:32 PM (nbwEb)

138 IF THE WOMAN IS INTERESTED AT ALL.

Well, that's the point. Your point, frankly.

If the woman is interested at all "oh those are pretty earrings" will also work.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 06:32 PM (mgbwf)

139 Hi, my name is [Name], and I'd like to get to know you better" is
balls-out ballsy and very simple and will work every time IF THE WOMAN
IS INTERESTED AT ALL.

Of course, it works better if you're wearing pants.

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2016 06:32 PM (LAe3v)

140 Pron sounds so much simpler to deal with than a bat shit crazy feminazi cow.

Posted by: Gmac- 'All politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (6aZKD)

141 No straight woman would turn down a hunk like me.

Let's just say that during my single years, 95% of the I met were lesbians.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (nvMvs)

142 >>Getting a handjob from chick in a tuxedo is just weird.

Not if its a reacharound.

Posted by: Barry O at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (GckyN)

143 The problem with so-called feminists is that they are not feminine. As for who the really good looking women choose to go with other than the rich ones I have never figured it out.

I have seen really hot women hook up with some of the biggest assholes in the universe and they were no especially good looking guys either. I knew a guy from work who was one of the biggest assholes to women I have ever knew. One of the women who was a really nice woman and a bartender at a place I used to hang out started going out with him.

I tried to warn her off but she would not listen. They got married and were soon divorced in less than 6 months. In my long and fruitful life there is one thing I have learned about women, men and dating. If a man tells a woman about a man they know she should listen carefully. And the same thing goes for a woman telling a man about a woman they know.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (mpXpK)

144 Getting a handjob from chick in a plus-size tuxedo is just weird.

FIFY.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (+wjl1)

145 137 Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:32 PM (nbwEb)

*or* sweetheart not with the aptly named D*ck Sherman's d*ck

//Odell Beckham jr

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (SzZnW)

146 Let me sit beside 'er. I'll chat 'er up.

Posted by: Captain Ahab at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (BO/km)

147 Kate Upton in a tux? No prob.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (+wjl1)

148 96 i know a lot of women who make subtle signals which are ignored and then freeze in this state of confusion, unsure if the guy missed the signal or what.

I always tell them the same thing: Move on. He didn't miss the signal. And if he's interested, he will need no signal anyway. Do yourself a favor, put him out of mind, and just move on.

People getting together is the easiest thing in the world, IF both want to get together. If one doesn't want to get together, that's where you get these "mixed signals."

but the signals are NOT mixed: He is, as the book title has it, just not that into you.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:25 PM (dciA+)

++++

Or if he is missing the signal, probably a good idea to rethink whether or not he is worth catching.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (R+30W)

149 128 The real problem here is that she thinks she can drag the guy out and humiliate him in public for doing nothing. Really? This is the kind of thing you bitch with your girlfriend about (or, better yet, deal with introspectively), not for the entertainment of millions on Twitter.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:30 PM (+wjl1)

He's a Man... ie damned it he do.... damned if he don't...

Posted by: Don Q at September 06, 2016 06:34 PM (qf6WZ)

150 Oh, and Amy Schumer? Ever seen her skit where she's the head executive at a table of underlings and acts pretty snotty?

She doesn't appear to be acting after all because once she goes out in public and starts jibber-jabbing, she's pretty quick with the snot.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 06, 2016 06:34 PM (1CroS)

151 "I just don't understand why their sympathies don't extend the other way.

Well, that's a lie; I do understand. Because..."

Because they're women. See: solipsism. All women behave this way. Schumer and Dunham just happen to be very self-absorbed when it comes to relationships, especially male/female.

Maybe that's why they've reached this gutter, D-list level of celebrity. They care only about themselves so much they believe everyone else wants to hear about it. Gimme a platform. Me me me. Gimme gimme gimme.

Posted by: joe ego at September 06, 2016 06:34 PM (VISNd)

152 OBJ was exhibiting his good taste in women by ignoring that sea slug.

Posted by: Hank at September 06, 2016 06:34 PM (NtHPu)

153 150 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 06, 2016 06:34 PM (1CroS)

"I played myself a lot too"

//John Wayne

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:34 PM (SzZnW)

154 54 OF but so what.
I went and read most of the Phyllis Schlaffly comments as I had time on break and lunch today as I wasn't around for it.
I want to say thanks for all the love shown her in that that thread.
Like most everyone else I never met her but since about 1990 have loved her due to her work.
If you needed ammo for a discussion with a lib she had more cans of 50 cal than you could shake five sticks at.
Posted by: teej at September 06, 2016 06:17 PM (9WcJw)

Arguing with the Libs I know is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. No matter what, they ultimately just shit all over the board and strut around like they won (Then they call for your death so they can dance on your grave).

I legit saw a comment on my Twitter feed that said that anybody who isn't celebrating Schafly's death are babies who need to be killed themselves.

Posted by: Hikaru at September 06, 2016 06:34 PM (Vevy5)

155 Lena Dunham? I won't even watch this movie when it comes out on cable.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (kTF2Z)

156 >>>Or if he is missing the signal, probably a good idea to rethink whether or not he is worth catching.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous

...

he didn't miss it. Men think about sex all the time and if he was sexually interested he wouldn't need a signal.

Posted by: Marlena Dietricht at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (dciA+)

157 lena d. is messed up - look up her family

Posted by: runner at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (c6/9Q)

158 I listened to this podcast.

One takeaway. It seem to be a NYC thing.

GAFM. Less than zero.

Posted by: Golfman at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (48QDY)

159 146 Posted by: Captain Ahab at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (BO/km)

We'll sing a duet....

//Khan Noonian Singh

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (SzZnW)

160 >>>i have a feeling your friend is simply attractive and virtually any gambit would work for him most of the time.

Well, after reading about pick-up artists, I found out the "social neg" (being slightly mean to a woman) is a fairly well established technique.

Being a jerk is part of that whole "bad boy" thing that many (younger) woman go for. They find straight laced guys boring.

Posted by: Max Power at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (q177U)

161
I blame the self-esteem movement

It all began back in 1969, when psychologist Nathaniel Brandon published a highly acclaimed paper called "The Psychology of Self-Esteem." He argued that "feelings of self-esteem were the key to success in life," and his idea soon became the hot new thing in education.

(I don't know Phil Cooke, but he seems to be saying what I've been thinking for the last thirty years.)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j6rb5v8

That was when every little special wonder kid, and they all were special wonder kids, had their self esteem inflated by doting parents who told the wonder kids how wonderful they were. Nothing had to be done, nothing had to be accomplished, no effort was required because the wonder kids were wonderful and their self esteem had to be inflated because that was what made the wonder kids wonderful.

Posted by: Lonssum Sam the Oppressor Man at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (KbR/t)

162 Ace: I don't know what's changed on the main page recently but it's completely crashing Firefox for me every 3rd or 4th time I visit. I don't even bother trying if I have multiple tabs open any more. I've tried blocking everything in Adblock Plus and it's no help.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 06,
******
Others mentioned having this same problem earlier. Buzzion suggested that the cause might be the ONT with several YouTube videos. I think that is right.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (6IPEM)

163 Wow, Dunham and Schumer.

That'd be a ham sammich for sure.

Sow sammich.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 06, 2016 06:36 PM (Gzt/W)

164 163 Posted by: rickb223 at September 06, 2016 06:36 PM (Gzt/W)

Suet Sammich....

//Andy Capp

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 06:36 PM (SzZnW)

165 "Or if he is missing the signal, probably a good idea to rethink whether or not he is worth catching.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 06, 2016 06:33 PM (R+30W) "

Just because I'm awash in self-loathing doesn't mean I'm not a catch. I just need a shinier lure.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 06, 2016 06:36 PM (kumBu)

166 Hi Lena, ya want to dance?
No?

I suppose a blowjob is out of the question then.

Posted by: Bruce at September 06, 2016 06:37 PM (8ikIW)

167 ace: "The simplest line, 'Hi, my name is [Name], and I'd like to get to know you better' is balls-out ballsy and very simple and will work every time IF THE WOMAN IS INTERESTED AT ALL."

Also, do not end that greeting with, "But first...".

Posted by: Mel at September 06, 2016 06:37 PM (1CroS)

168 >>>Well, after reading about pick-up artists, I found out the "social neg" (being slightly mean to a woman) is a fairly well established technique.

again, it's overthinking things. "I'd like to get to know you" is balls out confident because there is no line. It's completely unadorned. It's not thought through. It's direct. It's casual in the sense that the dude plainly hasn't put much thought into it.

And yet, it will work, if the woman wants it to.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:37 PM (dciA+)

169 >>>The real problem here is that she thinks she can drag the guy out and humiliate him in public for doing nothing. <<<

That, my friend, is the definition of a stalker. Watch your rear view mirror on the way home carefully.

Posted by: Fritz at September 06, 2016 06:38 PM (HVQlX)

170 I had the [pleasure] of watching an episode of "The Golden Girls".
This episode opened with McClanahan, whose character fucks any male that comes through the door, taking a class in order to obtain a degree. After class, McClanahan, a struggling student, approached her teacher for help. The teacher suggested tutoring at his home wink wink and she coyly said yea es wink wink. He then gave her a slip of paper with his address which she accepted with a knowing smile. He then brushed her shoulder with his hand which shocked her [really] and introduced the story line of the show.........Sexual Harassment.

Hollywood has been working on this crap for a long time.

Posted by: gNewt....panhandlers never seem to not have their hands out ~ at September 06, 2016 06:38 PM (5clls)

171 So if a man ignores a woman wearing a Tuxedo he's bad.

And if a man approaches a woman who is wearing a Tuxedo, he is also bad.

Good to know. The only winning move is not to play.

Posted by: Jack at September 06, 2016 06:38 PM (YX9fV)

172 I've thought this for a while after watching leftists jump from one cause celbre to the next, and that is, it will eventually be considered an act of bigotry for a white woman to reject a black man's advances. That sounds alt-right, but if you look at the progression starting with this story, where an unattractive, overweight woman is essentially claiming she's a victim vis a vis 'fat shaming', and sites like Salon have her back, isn't it conceivable that if we follow this logic that a white woman telling a black man, 'No, I do not wish to go on a date with you', then she is guilty of racism? The difference between sexual assault and a consensual kiss is if the woman provides consent.

Posted by: bathtubby at September 06, 2016 06:38 PM (5Feof)

173 So, a guy who isn't attracted to this Dunham beast must be "gay?"

Isn't that using "gay" as a slur? I can't keep up with this shit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 06:39 PM (1ZOkK)

174 Just saw a clip of Hillary in that gigantic collar get up. Think the designer of that garment would be real excited about it if he knew that head would pop out of it?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 06, 2016 06:39 PM (kTF2Z)

175 lena d. is messed up - look up her family

Posted by: runner at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (c6/9Q)
............

It was a strange herd.

Posted by: wth at September 06, 2016 06:39 PM (HgMAr)

176 Well which is worse?
Being completely ignored by a woman you are trying to pick up?

or

Having the woman enter in a conversation with you out of politeness only to be turned down?

I'd prefer the first if I was a guy

Posted by: L, Elle at September 06, 2016 06:40 PM (6IPEM)

177 I was sitting next to Odell Beckham Jr., and it was so amazing because it was like he looked at me and he determined I was not the shape of a woman by his standards.

Can you imagine being so childishly self-absorbed that you think every member of the opposite sex that you come into contact with should show interest in you?

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 06, 2016 06:40 PM (+lVUW)

178 I don't know how she squares her criticism of men who are unwilling to make pointless chit-chat with a woman they don't know ans also aren't interested in with the internet feminist freakout about men trying to get the attention of women who are unwilling to make pointless chit-chat with men they don't know and aren't interested in.

Feminists never square anything. They're just crazy women who, instead of doing all of us the favor of seizing up in an hysterical paralysis, are shouting and shrieking at the tops of their lungs and flailing around wildly, looking to break everything in sight. Just ... because ... womynzzzz!! AAAaaaaarrrgh!!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 06, 2016 06:40 PM (zc3Db)

179 By being a marshmellow, she is signalling that she is either unavailable or uninterested. Maybe if she trained and ate a proper diet and get plastic surgery like her rich sisters, he would look at her.

I based that on my post divorce attitude, I'm going to get fat and out of shape thus signalling I'm not interested or available and also cannot afford and not interested buying you dinner.

Of course with the post divorce hostile attitude, came more advances so I really had to pack on the pounds and dress like a hobo.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 06:40 PM (0fbbp)

180 >>>
Being a jerk is part of that whole "bad boy" thing that many (younger) woman go for. They find straight laced guys boring.

again, not to Sell My Line too much, but just telling a woman you're interested in knowing her better is "bad boy" in the sense that you're putting it right up there, unadorned, like you don't give much of a fuck.

anyway, that's my theory. I have never needed a line for the women who liked me and no exertion of effort ever changed the mind of a woman who didn't.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:40 PM (dciA+)

181 Shorter Lena: Look at me! LOOK AT ME DAMMIT! He looked at me! Rapist!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 06:41 PM (1ZOkK)

182 "I don't know how she squares her criticism of men who are unwilling to make pointless chit-chat with a woman they don't know ans also aren't interested in with the internet feminist freakout about men trying to get the attention of women who are unwilling to make pointless chit-chat with men they don't know and aren't interested in."

Well, wait a sec, a charity dinner isn't the same as weirdo strangers on the subway.

When you go to a charity or other dinner party, typically men and women are seated alternately, and it's extremely rude for men to not chat with their female dinner partners (and vice versa, of course).

So when I first saw this story I thought beckham was being rude, but then I remembered: oh, wait dummy, it's that Dunham creature.

No doubt she did something gross immediately upon sitting down that offended him. It's not just her looks--her whole persona is defined by grossness, and not the good kind.

I wouldn't want to talk with her either if I were stuck sitting with her.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 06:41 PM (ozZau)

183 132 Getting a handjob from chick in a tuxedo is just weird.

Posted by: Fritz at September 06, 2016 06:31 PM (HVQlX)

Is she wearing a bald cap?

I'm asking for a friend.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 06, 2016 06:41 PM (4ErVI)

184 "he didn't miss it. Men think about sex all the time and if he was sexually interested he wouldn't need a signal.

Posted by: Marlena Dietricht at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (dciA+) "

Doesn't that go against what you said? Us losers of the genetic lottery don't expect women to hit on us, so even if a girl is giving a 'signal,' I usually think "oh, she's just being nice - she doesn't really want to fuck me." I don't think "HOLY SHIT, she likes my shirt? Gonna take this bird on the train to pound town, baby!"

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 06, 2016 06:41 PM (kumBu)

185 172 I've thought this for a while after watching leftists jump from one cause celbre to the next, and that is, it will eventually be considered an act of bigotry for a white woman to reject a black man's advances. That sounds alt-right, but if you look at the progression starting with this story, where an unattractive, overweight woman is essentially claiming she's a victim vis a vis 'fat shaming', and sites like Salon have her back, isn't it conceivable that if we follow this logic that a white woman telling a black man, 'No, I do not wish to go on a date with you', then she is guilty of racism? The difference between sexual assault and a consensual kiss is if the woman provides consent.
Posted by: bathtubby at September 06, 2016 06:38 PM (5Feof)

The end goal is never "black"; that's just the opening gambit. The End Goal is ALWAYS "Muslim".

Posted by: Hikaru at September 06, 2016 06:41 PM (Vevy5)

186
The thing I find repulsive is that she never considered that he might have simply been busy with reading his email, and was annoyed that she blundered in and interrupted him without any regard for what he was doing. NOOOO, it's because he hates "real women" and he's probably a closeted homo.

Sideways pineapple, barbed wire, some assembly required.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 06, 2016 06:42 PM (LuZz8)

187 She's apologized, so it's totes cool.

Posted by: jakeman at September 06, 2016 06:42 PM (yKkl0)

188 I always took the AoSHQ Pointy Elbows thing to be a meme, not an actual scouting report.

I hope Ace doesn't think less of me.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 06, 2016 06:42 PM (ptqRm)

189
Ace, Duke just gave men an idea.

Hillary Clinton looks like she's wearing "Balok's" clothes from the Star Trek episode with Clint Howard.

Post it someday.

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:42 PM (nbwEb)

190 174 Just saw a clip of Hillary in that gigantic collar get up. Think the designer of that garment would be real excited about it if he knew that head would pop out of it?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 06, 2016 06:39 PM (kTF2Z)

Giant Collars???

We are not amused...

Posted by: Ming, the Merciless at September 06, 2016 06:42 PM (qf6WZ)

191 I don't know about the PUA movement, but I've read Roosh, and he advocates (really demands, a couple of things...)

Be or get fit. lose the weight and get strong.

Learn a second or third language.

Have a good paying job or career. Improve yourself, and over time things tend to snowball.

Posted by: Jack at September 06, 2016 06:42 PM (YX9fV)

192
Can you imagine being so childishly self-absorbed that you think every member of the opposite sex that you come into contact with should show interest in you?

I wonder if Lena is so oversexualized from her creepy upbringing that she can't think in any other terms.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:43 PM (+wjl1)

193 As for Amy Schumer, she could throw a thirty-pack of Bud Light into the bargain and it wouldn't be the same as Megan McCain with an eighteen-pack.

Posted by: Fritz at September 06, 2016 06:43 PM (HVQlX)

194 Well, after reading about pick-up artists, I found out the "social neg" (being slightly mean to a woman) is a fairly well established technique.

__________

There was a famous book about this whole pick up artist scene where a journalist joined and tried their techniques.

Supposedly it was effective, but my guess is much of it is probably no longer works as well as everyone knows about it.

I'm married with kids, and long gone from that scene, but about the time I ditched the "nice guy" nonsense I found my success with women went through the roof.

It's unfortunate, because I'm not wired that way and don't want women to "like" that, but they really are turned off by what they say they want from men.

Posted by: riptide at September 06, 2016 06:43 PM (nq/J2)

195
A good slap on the butt usually gets their attention.

Doesn't usually work though.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 06, 2016 06:44 PM (ODxAs)

196 Imagine Lena Dunham in her 70's or 80's. Hell, even her 50's.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 06:44 PM (1ZOkK)

197
Getting a handjob from chick in a tuxedo is just weird.

...and loving it!

Posted by: Tennessee Tuxedo at September 06, 2016 06:44 PM (IqV8l)

198 "As for Amy Schumer, she could throw a thirty-pack of Bud Light into the bargain and it wouldn't be the same as Megan McCain with an eighteen-pack."

I'd settle for an hour of conversation with S.E. Cupp and a Root beer float.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 06, 2016 06:45 PM (ptqRm)

199 "it will eventually be considered an act of bigotry for a white woman to reject a black man's advances"

It already is and has been for at least 30 years. Whenever I rejected some black guy back in the last century, he invariably called me a racist and/or a dyke.

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 06, 2016 06:45 PM (43OZ6)

200 Women like Lena and Amy don't age well. It's all the built-up anger and militant feminism.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 06:45 PM (1ZOkK)

201 "...he determined I was not the shape of a woman by his standards."
............

Outrageous!

Posted by: Ferdinand von Zeppelin at September 06, 2016 06:45 PM (HgMAr)

202 Well, after reading about pick-up artists, I found out the "social neg" (being slightly mean to a woman) is a fairly well established technique.

again, it's overthinking things. "I'd like to get to know you" is balls out confident because there is no line. It's completely unadorned. It's not thought through. It's direct. It's casual in the sense that the dude plainly hasn't put much thought into it.

And yet, it will work, if the woman wants it to.

Wow...you mean really talk to them?
What a concept!
Mrs Diogenes will love this.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2016 06:45 PM (r65B3)

203 >>>Doesn't that go against what you said? Us losers of the genetic lottery don't expect women to hit on us, so even if a girl is giving a 'signal,' I usually think "oh, she's just being nice - she doesn't really want to fuck me." I don't think "HOLY SHIT, she likes my shirt? Gonna take this bird on the train to pound town, baby!"

That's why you just end the mystery and make an unambiguous propsition to get dinner or go on what is unmistakenly a date.

Seriously, that's a huge thing. If you're a dude, you do have the power to end the Suffering of Wondering immediately. Just ask her out, flat.

First of all, women really liked being asked directly (IF they like you). I don't think they like the "gonna try to be friends with you first" pussy shit.

Second of all, it puts you out of your misery one way or the other. You know.

I've done the get-to-know-her-as-a-friend bullshit. It never worked, not a single time, and I was in agony all through the pantywaist waiting game I was playing. I didn't feel manly, and I was just wasting time and spinning wheels with a girl with no interest (other than just not wanting to crush my feelings by saying, "Look, let me cut to the chase, you obviously like me, but I don't think of you like that.")

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:46 PM (dciA+)

204 Getting a handjob from chick in a tuxedo is just weird.

...and loving it!

Posted by: Tennessee Tuxedo at September 06, 2016 06:44 PM (IqV8l)

Hmmmm.....

Posted by: Julie Andrews in Victor Victoria at September 06, 2016 06:46 PM (qf6WZ)

205 Maybe Odell recognized her as the girl who made the false rape claim and decided it was best to just stay away. So many reasons to not engage with the retard.

Posted by: scofflaw_x at September 06, 2016 06:47 PM (+ZQkj)

206 182 -- Stace...that was my thinking process as well. That's why I find the notion that he didn't talk to her because (paging Alanis) he figured she might write about him and didn't want that.

Posted by: moviegique at September 06, 2016 06:47 PM (7zeA4)

207 Wow...you mean really talk to them?
What a concept!
Mrs Diogenes will love this.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2016 06:45 PM (r65B3)

I still don't have to listen to them though, correct?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 06, 2016 06:47 PM (4ErVI)

208 "Regardless, Dunham has tapped into a real phenomenon, men who really
don't know what to make of women who don't sexually interest them"

What a stupid time to be alive.

Posted by: goodluckduck at September 06, 2016 06:48 PM (yqvys)

209 The best line is Hi my name is Obuto. I want to Fuck you likeyou are living in a 3rd world country.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 06:48 PM (0fbbp)

210 In other words: If feminism is to be a genuine philosophy with rigorous ethics that apply universally, it has to be ripped out of the hands of those who think "feminism" is merely a daily-changing list of Things That Princess Wants.

That is the fundamental principle of modern feminism.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 06:48 PM (0mRoj)

211 "anyway, that's my theory. I have never needed a line for the women who liked me and no exertion of effort ever changed the mind of a woman who didn't.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:40 PM (dciA+) "

That's certainly true. It's hard to fuck up a putt when you're inches from the green, and it's equally hard to hit a hole in one from the tee with a sand wedge. You can say just about anything to a girl that already wants you, and the 'perfect line' won't land you a girl that has no interest.

And some women probably are refreshed by the honesty of a guy willing to say "Hey, my name is (blank), and I think you're attractive. Can I buy you a drink?" instead of trying to be super-witty.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 06, 2016 06:48 PM (kumBu)

212 Getting a handjob from chick in a tuxedo is just weird.

...and loving it!

Posted by: Tennessee Tuxedo at September 06, 2016 06:44 PM (IqV8l)

Hmmmm.....

Thousands of Emperor penguins, all in mating season at the same time.

Now that's a visual.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 06, 2016 06:48 PM (ptqRm)

213 >>>I'm married with kids, and long gone from that scene, but about the time I ditched the "nice guy" nonsense I found my success with women went through the roof.

but it's not about being mean. It's about being ballsy enough to just state your intentions straight-up, instead of pussying around trying to be a "nice guy."

Being straight up isn't mean, but it's definitely not pussy.

I'm not a chick, but I gotta think that between a guy doing the Nice Guy pussy act and the guy who states, straight-up, "My intentions here are not innocent," it's the latter that's going to be seen as more attractive.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:48 PM (dciA+)

214 Damn, I'll tell you what: I know how to make some ribs.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:48 PM (+wjl1)

215 Feminism has never been about equality, it's always been about special preference in favor of women.

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 06, 2016 06:49 PM (6n332)

216 "Wow...you mean really talk to them?
What a concept!
Mrs Diogenes will love this. "

This is for meeting women.

Not for being married to them.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 06, 2016 06:50 PM (ptqRm)

217 >>>That's certainly true. It's hard to fuck up a putt when you're inches from the green, and it's equally hard to hit a hole in one from the tee with a sand wedge. You can say just about anything to a girl that already wants you, and the 'perfect line' won't land you a girl that has no interest.

i think the number of possible hook-ups that are on the bubble/marginal and could be swayed one way or the other by "the right approach" are somewhere below one in one hundred, and yet people fixate on that minor corner case, instead of the 99 out of a hundred where no approach is really needed (or, alternately, no "right approach" could conceivably work).

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:50 PM (dciA+)

218 I'm thinking it's best to stay on neutral ground initially.
It is easy to speak with virtual strangers when you're both regarding the same thing. That can be your focal point and you can move on from there. Bars are another story as most everyone has expectations that someone is going to approach you.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 06:50 PM (CFc5L)

219 215 Feminism has never been about equality, it's always been about special preference in favor of women.

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 06, 2016 06:49 PM (6n332)

Yup.... why in the hell would Women want to degrade themselves down to Equality?

Posted by: Don Q. at September 06, 2016 06:50 PM (qf6WZ)

220 Feminism has never been about equality, it's always been about special preference in favor of women.

Most of the 'isms' in modern politics start out with a few legitimate issues then become increasingly voracious campaigns for political and social power.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:50 PM (+wjl1)

221 Us losers of the genetic lottery don't expect women to hit on us, so even if a girl is giving a 'signal,' I usually think "oh, she's just being nice - she doesn't really want to fuck me." I don't think "HOLY SHIT, she likes my shirt?

Girl way out of my league thought I was hot in college, but I assumed she was patronizing and ignored her. This made her crazy for me. Serious stalking. Only years later after we married did she realize I was not playing hard to get, but simply being an oblivious introvert.

Posted by: wooga at September 06, 2016 06:51 PM (KfXcP)

222
*Irish Goodbye off in search of whiskey*

Posted by: Lonssum Sam the Oppressor Man at September 06, 2016 06:51 PM (KbR/t)

223 I still don't have to listen to them though, correct?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
- - - -

Well...lets not get carried away.
I've had Mrs D convinced I've needed hearing aides for the last ten years.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2016 06:51 PM (r65B3)

224 Maybe Lena should have approached him in the outfit she wore for her unretouched lingerie photo shoot.

Then, he could have vomited on her before returning to scrolling on his phone.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 06:51 PM (+eR2D)

225 I've had women hit on me and I've only found out afterwards, when someone told me. And for a few of them I remember thinking that they were cute at the time.

Unfortunately I've also been stood up quite a few times in college, so I'm gun-shy nowadays.

The most success I've had with dating came when I found an interest that put me in contact with women who also shared it. In my case, dancing. It gave me an excuse to interact with them, in an environment where I didn't have to worry about whether or not their boyfriend or husband was going to come back from the bathroom, and where they were receptive to interaction. It gave me a chance to have a conversation, tell a joke, and impress her with my ability to lead on the dance floor.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 06, 2016 06:52 PM (YRKlt)

226 Great post, Ace. Well, they all are, but this one hits close to home.

Posted by: fly gal at September 06, 2016 06:52 PM (NsLIq)

227 "But that isn't a women vs. men thing. That's a Genetic Lottery Winner vs. The Less Fortunate 90% of Society thing."

Very true. Life must be tough for you 90%ers.

Posted by: Johnny at September 06, 2016 06:52 PM (UYeqi)

228 Getting a handjob from chick in a tuxedo is just weird.

Speak for yourself.

Posted by: Opus at September 06, 2016 06:52 PM (vmsda)

229 It's amazing how technology has radically changed dating.

I was married just as the internet dating was basically still a joke.

Even if you're a not so good looking guy, you can pretty much have a date now anytime you want it. I have a good friend, and he couldn't pick up a girl to save his life but with all of these apps, he's always got a new girlfriend.

And no awkward pick up nonsense at bars and clubs. You would think many of those meat market type places would have gone under.

Not sure what the ramifications of this will be, but I do think females will get the short end of the stick as other options are so accessible and women have a shorter shelf life.

Posted by: Maritime at September 06, 2016 06:52 PM (yJnbe)

230 Feminism has never been about equality, it's always been about special preference in favor of women.

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 06, 2016 06:49 PM (6n332)

If only. The great bulk of feminism has been about hating men and "getting even". But it isn't men that feminists hate - it's Nature. So feminists can never find any satisfaction and the rest of us will be eternally subjected to their insane tantrums, about which they don't even have much of a clue.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 06, 2016 06:53 PM (zc3Db)

231 "Yup.... why in the hell would Women want to degrade themselves down to Equality? "

For all of our horsing around here about women, and the tough guy talk we all do...this comment is probably much closer to the truth.

They are our wives, our friends, the mothers of our children.

We want to open doors and do special things for them

We want to elevate them above ourselves.

At least the good ones.

Not the ex's.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 06, 2016 06:53 PM (ptqRm)

232 ace: "Second of all, it puts you out of your misery one way or the other. You know."

Good advice. Like a band-aid, just rip 'er off and get the pain over with. If it's going to hurt, don't bother with all the foreplay that only you think is foreplay as opposed to a semi-extended time/money sink.

Yours is actually excellent advice, Ace. It's a lesson I wish I had learned in my early days before I entered the 10% bracket at the ripe age of 29.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 06, 2016 06:53 PM (1CroS)

233 I've had women hit on me and I've only found out afterwards, when someone told me. And for a few of them I remember thinking that they were cute at the time.

Story of my life.

I'm painfully introverted. In a situation like that I generally just want to escape, and only realize what was going on much later, sometimes decades.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:54 PM (+wjl1)

234 That's why I find the notion that he didn't talk to her because (paging Alanis) he figured she might write about him and didn't want that.
Posted by: moviegique at September 06, 2016 06:47 PM (7zeA4

That makes perfect sense.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 06:54 PM (ozZau)

235 I met Mrs. Jakeman at a bar, and I don't remember using any pickup lines--I'm not that kind of dude. We just started talking.

That said, I've found MarriedManSexLife (dot) com as a helpful application of game techniques once you're hitched. Pretty cool stuff if you think you've stalled out a bit in marital bliss.

Posted by: jakeman at September 06, 2016 06:54 PM (yKkl0)

236 It all began back in 1969, when psychologist Nathaniel Brandon published a highly acclaimed paper called "The Psychology of Self-Esteem." He argued that "feelings of self-esteem were the key to success in life," and his idea soon became the hot new thing in education.

(I don't know Phil Cooke, but he seems to be saying what I've been thinking for the last thirty years.)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j6rb5v8

That was when every little special wonder kid, and they all were special wonder kids, had their self esteem inflated by doting parents who told the wonder kids how wonderful they were. Nothing had to be done, nothing had to be accomplished, no effort was required because the wonder kids were wonderful and their self esteem had to be inflated because that was what made the wonder kids wonderful.

Posted by: Lonssum Sam the Oppressor Man at September 06, 2016 06:35 PM (KbR/t)

Which is the complete opposite of what it was like when I was a kid in the fifties and early sixties. Moms really didn't want to be bothered by their kids too much.

I knew two kinds of families when I was a child. Catholic, working class families with lots of kids, and Protestant families with a couple kids and dad wore a suit to work. In both kinds of families mom's goal was to get kids to the age of 7 where they could spend most of their time outside not bothering her. Mothers really were like Betty in Mad Men.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 06, 2016 06:54 PM (+lVUW)

237
btw Ace, you do know Odell, you posted a video once of an awesome TD catch.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 06, 2016 06:54 PM (ODxAs)

238
anyway, that's my theory. I have never needed a line
for the women who liked me and no exertion of effort ever changed the
mind of a woman who didn't.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:40 PM (dciA+)

Wait a minute. I thought the "Ace picks up women technique" boiled down to "offer them pancakes". Ewok lied to me.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 06, 2016 06:54 PM (LuZz8)

239
anyway, that's my theory. I have never needed a line for the women who liked me and no exertion of effort ever changed the mind of a woman who didn't.

Exactly,a woman decides if you're a suitable sex partner 10 seconds after she meets you.If she decides yes, you're the only one that can screw it up.If she decides no there is nothing you can do to change her mind

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 06, 2016 06:54 PM (lKyWE)

240 And, oh yes, they drank and smoked when they were pregnant and the kids weren't born with 2 heads.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 06, 2016 06:54 PM (+lVUW)

241 "I've done the get-to-know-her-as-a-friend bullshit. It never worked, not a single time, and I was in agony all through the pantywaist waiting game I was playing. I didn't feel manly, and I was just wasting time and spinning wheels with a girl with no interest (other than just not wanting to crush my feelings by saying, "Look, let me cut to the chase, you obviously like me, but I don't think of you like that.")

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:46 PM (dciA+) "

I guess the problem is that I've played the long game successfully before. Well, I mean, the relationship ended pretty badly, but I was able to pull off the 'let's be friends first' bullshit and eventually landed her. But you're right, that's usually just prolonging the torture, and it rarely works, and it's better to just be direct and honest.

And the other problem is what you said - rejection sucks. You think a girl is flirting with you, you ask her flat out if she's actually interested, and you get the big N-O. It fucking blows.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 06, 2016 06:54 PM (kumBu)

242 Lena should try a starfish selfie.

Posted by: Hope's Rolo at September 06, 2016 06:55 PM (Tyii7)

243 What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine ain't just about the money nowadays.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 06, 2016 06:55 PM (SEXy3)

244 "Let me be perfectly clear. I respect you for your mind and your intelligence. I think you are a beautiful person with a captivating personality. But let's face it - I also want to put my tongue in your naughty places. And then my fingers. Followed closely and repeatedly by my penis. Oh, my name is [YOUR NAME HERE] by the way."

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 06, 2016 06:55 PM (nx6Qx)

245
you know what'd be a great thread?

Sharing all the awful advice we received about women while growing up.

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:55 PM (nbwEb)

246 >>>Us losers of the genetic lottery don't expect women to hit on us, so even if a girl is giving a 'signal,' I usually think "oh, she's just being nice - she doesn't really want to fuck me." I don't think "HOLY SHIT, she likes my shirt?

if a girl approaches you, cold, in a way that could be misconstrued as sexual interest, it's probably sexual interest.

women are very good at not giving signals of potential interest to people they're not interested in.

For example, a friend of mine is always complaining the girls he likes aren't good conversationalists and are hard to talk to.

That's because they don't like you, dude. They are deliberately offering Conversation Termination replies that make it difficult for you to continue the conversation.

If they had any interest, they would be answering in such a way that it provoked and obvious response by you, and the whole conversation would go swmmingly easy.

The conversation feels like all the work is on your side because the woman is going out of her way to get you to realize she's not interested, without having to say so.

And she's doing that because it's awkward and feels mean to just shoot someone down. Hints are easier and result in less social embarrassment, at least if they're read properly.

It's so simple: if it's work, he or she is not interested. if he or she is interested, it will feel nothing at all like work.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:56 PM (dciA+)

247 Dinner is an instant friend zone if you have not kissed first.

If you ask our a girl and she says yes, then before leaving the conversation move in to kiss her. That takes balls. If she moves away then she wants a free fancy dinner from a beta boy.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 06:56 PM (0fbbp)

248 102 Saw her at a High School reunion a few years ago... and she told me she always regretted us not going out... and wondered why I had never asked her out...

/facepalm....
Posted by: Don Q at September 06, 2016 06:26 PM (qf6WZ)

I was painfully shy with women when I was in high school and college. It turns out that some very hurt that I never asked them out.

It was sheer pity though on the part of Mrs. Hobbit that she married me. She got the short end of that stick.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at September 06, 2016 06:56 PM (nvMvs)

249 i think the number of possible hook-ups that are on the bubble/marginal and could be swayed one way or the other by "the right approach" are somewhere below one in one hundred, and yet people fixate on that minor corner case, instead of the 99 out of a hundred where no approach is really needed (or, alternately, no "right approach" could conceivably work).

Posted by: ace

I would wager that 99% of the time when someone "punches above their weight" on the attraction scale is when the two people are put in a situation where they get familiar with one another, first like at work, through mutual friends, etc.

Much of it is simply proximity

Posted by: Maritime at September 06, 2016 06:57 PM (yJnbe)

250 " If she moves away then she wants a free fancy dinner from a beta boy."

Which then becomes, Off to Taco Bell, Your best booth for a party of two.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 06, 2016 06:57 PM (ptqRm)

251 Wait a minute. I thought the "Ace picks up women technique" boiled down to "offer them pancakes". Ewok lied to me.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur

Works good if you are cooking in the galley of the Gulfstream III.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2016 06:57 PM (r65B3)

252 Is Lena Dunham so completely self-centered that she actually believes she is an attractive woman? Does she truly think men should fall at her feet because ugly critics have heaped so much praise upon her?

Why is this woman even famous?

***

No. She admits she isn't going to win any beauty contests, however; What the hell does that do with anyone being attracted to her or not?!!

This is about requiring all men to submit to any woman.

Any. Woman.

Fuck her.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 06, 2016 06:57 PM (SEXy3)

253 >>>I guess the problem is that I've played the long game successfully before. Well, I mean, the relationship ended pretty badly, but I was able to pull off the 'let's be friends first' bullshit and eventually landed her. But you're right, that's usually just prolonging the torture, and it rarely works, and it's better to just be direct and honest.

okay, you're the one in one thousand who had the Nice Guy Friend Act work.

But how do you know it wouldn't have worked immediately if you'd just said, "Hey, I think you're cute. Let's do something together"??

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:57 PM (dciA+)

254 >>The most success I've had with dating came when I found an interest that put me in contact with women who also shared it.

I've found this to be true as well. But it's sometimes damn hard to tell a woman is into sweaty hot monkey sex without putting in hours of investigation.

Seriously, this isn't all that complex. We all have some things that some members of the opposite sex find attractive. Some have personalities that take their outward appearance to a higher level, some take it the other way. But you aren't going to make someone who isn't interested in you suddenly in love with you, not without chloroform and not for long.

SJWs want to make this natural biological process that has defined sexual attraction forever seem wrong. They are constantly trying and failing to change the natural order of things. Nature wins as it always does.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 06, 2016 06:58 PM (/tuJf)

255 The self-esteem movement might have started in 1969 but it was nowhere to be found in my elementary school in the 1970s.

Or maybe it was. Maybe I couldn't hear it over the 35 minute screaming ragefit my gym teacher Mr. Vaughn delivered about why it was so bad that Kenny got a technical foul in a basketball game.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 06, 2016 06:58 PM (4ErVI)

256 Dinner is an instant friend zone if you have not kissed first.

That's ridiculous.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 06, 2016 06:58 PM (zc3Db)

257 btw i am terrible with women so this is yet another case where I am offering Expert Opinion in a field i'm wholly incompetent to offer advice in.

however, as usual, the logic sure sounds good, and I sure am stating it confidently!

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:58 PM (dciA+)

258 My experience was that when I was with a girl or heartbroken by a girl and pining after her and therefore not interested in other girls, other girls were interested in me. And then once I changed gears and showed interest in the other girl, she had already lost interest. You do the math and figure that being emotionally unavailable and at least seeming to have options if not having many viable options is attractive to girls. This is "jerk" behavior from a woman's perspective (or, from the perspective of other men intensely interested in a girl who is interested in you). Other than that, being forward in a general sense and not being ashamed of sexual interest in women is much more of a successful aspect than the opposite.

FWIW, the top 10% of men aren't free from rejection. I have a cousin who was a quite attractive and boxom blonde and about to be engaged who famously within the family (and, perhaps, foolishly) was working as a waitress in South Jersey and was solicited for her telephone number by a young Eric Lindros and turned him down. It's just that Eric Lindros had a better positive response than average, and didn't let it destroy his self-concept.

Remember, even Bill Clinton was reduced to rape in his ardor.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at September 06, 2016 06:59 PM (WzlF7)

259 The night I met my husband, I was at a party in ATL, and a really obnoxious douchebag was harassing me. I looked across the room, and saw D'oh with a theater guy I knew. D'oh was in a starched white shirt and khaki pants, and as I told him later, "stood out like a bright light in a sea of douchebaggery."

I walked over to him, a complete stranger, and said, "Would you mind saving me from this guy who won't leave me alone?"

My theater friend whispered to him, "Oh, you're going to LOVE her!"

The rest is history.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 06:59 PM (1ZOkK)

260
however, as usual, the logic sure sounds good, and I sure am stating it confidently!

And I must say, it makes you quite attractive!

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 06:59 PM (nbwEb)

261 Or, perhaps:

Becks, being a long-service veteran of the media-tabloid wars, took a second to run the calculus on the PR pro-con of being photographed talking to a fat, frumpy, unstable, sister-touching, attention-whore imbecile like Lena Dunham, concluded "bugger that, mate," and went back to sexting his wife and/or mistress(es).

Just saying'...

Posted by: Stu-22 at September 06, 2016 07:00 PM (rUc9h)

262 >>The most success I've had with dating came when I found an interest that put me in contact with women who also shared it.

I've found this to be true as well. But it's sometimes damn hard to tell a woman is into sweaty hot monkey sex without putting in hours of investigation.

...

i saw a NYT article years ago where women kept joining book clubs and wine tasting clubs and going rock climbing WITH THE EXPECTATION THERE'D BE MEN THERE TO HIT ON THEM but men stupidly weren't going to these things and were just going to bars.

so like yeah, go where women are and you can seem interesting and have some mutual interest to talk about.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:00 PM (dciA+)

263 If you ask our a girl and she says yes, then before leaving the conversation move in to kiss her. That takes balls. If she moves away then she wants a free fancy dinner from a beta boy.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right

Best thing ever...if the conversation is going well, just lean in and tell her "Lets get the good night kiss out of the way now and then there's no pressure later."
An excellent move.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2016 07:00 PM (r65B3)

264 >>> Just knowing how miserable feminists will be until the day they die is a soothing balm that let's me just simply be amused by whatever new outrage they want to discuss instead of being upset by it.
Posted by: Maritime at September 06, 2016 06:02 PM (yJnbe)

Drudge had an article last week on how conservatives have more satisfying sex lives. Gee, if this kind of inanity exists just in the courtship phase for feminists, no wonder that is the case!

Posted by: LizLem at September 06, 2016 07:00 PM (hvf9s)

265 "Story of my life.

I'm painfully introverted. In a situation like that I generally just want to escape, and only realize what was going on much later, sometimes decades.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 06:54 PM (+wjl1) "

I've literally had a friend who was overhearing my conversation with a girl at a club text me saying "You know she wants to fuck you, right?" And I responded back honestly - no, I had no idea.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 06, 2016 07:00 PM (kumBu)

266 Well, this discussion confirms something I've thought over for the last several years - I really am going to be alone the rest of my life.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:00 PM (0mRoj)

267 if feminists believed in the idea of "consistent standards" that apply to both sexes, they wouldn't be feminists in the first place.

Posted by: Paolo at September 06, 2016 07:01 PM (ef6pV)

268 Women are difficult.
Lena is stupid. And ugly.
Sorry, not sorry.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:01 PM (+eR2D)

269 Hope Solo can give me the ol' stinkeye any time she wants....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 06, 2016 07:01 PM (ej1L0)

270 Guys, even if all of the signals are right; the stars are aligned, the game's in the refrigerator; - the door is closed, the lights are out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's getting hard, and the Jell-O's jigglin', - you can't stick your dick in them all.

Your manhood will rot off and you'll be fucked for life.

Posted by: Fritz at September 06, 2016 07:01 PM (HVQlX)

271 Well, after reading about pick-up artists, I found out the "social neg" (being slightly mean to a woman) is a fairly well established technique.
...

Never worked with me, maybe because the men in my family are good men. That's what I grew up with.

The first hint of any assholery and it was Adios Mofo.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 07:01 PM (ozZau)

272 Ace, I enjoyed your essay on feminist hypocrisy.

Hope you enjoy mine--"fuk 'em"

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 06, 2016 07:02 PM (QdAXQ)

273
You know where you might be able to meet a woman?

At a ballroom dance class.

PLUS, you get to dance with her, hold her close. It's quite the icebreaker.

Posted by: Mister Magoo's at September 06, 2016 07:02 PM (nbwEb)

274 Hope Solo can give me the ol' stinkeye any time she wants....

Careful what you wish for, big boy.

Posted by: Hope's Rolo at September 06, 2016 07:02 PM (Tyii7)

275 So which is it? Do people -- people, whether men or women -- owe someone who is less attractive but trying, gamely, to chat them up some polite responses?

Or do they not owe them this?

Simple. Men are always wrong. Next question?

Posted by: rickl at September 06, 2016 07:03 PM (sdi6R)

276 a friend of mine who got tail offered this advice:

Never bother trying to go out and pick up a girl if your apartment (and toilet) isn't cleaned beforehand.

To be on the threshold, only to have a quick beg-off because you left your filthy shorts on the floor, is all on you, dudes.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:03 PM (dciA+)

277 >>so like yeah, go where women are and you can seem interesting and have some mutual interest to talk about.

You do know that you have a blog where you often talk about yourself in brutally honest ways and you have a host of women readers who find you interesting, yes?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 06, 2016 07:03 PM (/tuJf)

278 >>I've literally had a friend who was overhearing my conversation with a girl at a club text me saying "You know she wants to fuck you, right?" And I responded back honestly - no, I had no idea.

Yeah, I remember dating a sorority girl in college and having no idea that she was an easy lay...until one of her sorority sisters asked me, astonished, if I realized I was the ONLY guy she'd dated but hadn't slept with that year. Sigh.

Posted by: jakeman at September 06, 2016 07:04 PM (yKkl0)

279 Now I feel bad for being a little too harsh on the guys asking me to dance, buy me a drink. I should have been a little more kind.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:04 PM (Q5Ymk)

280 Being a jerk is part of that whole "bad boy" thing that many (younger) woman go for. They find straight laced guys boring.

Also, there are some good looking and/or successful men who discover that even if they don't treat women well, they get all they want.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 06, 2016 07:04 PM (+lVUW)

281 I always tell them the same thing: Move on. He didn't miss the signal. And if he's interested, he will need no signal anyway. Do yourself a favor, put him out of mind, and just move on.

People getting together is the easiest thing in the world, IF both want to get together. If one doesn't want to get together, that's where you get these "mixed signals."

but the signals are NOT mixed: He is, as the book title has it, just not that into you.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 06:25 PM (dciA+)

Maybe you're more confident or experienced than i am, but i can't ever tell the difference between someone who's interested or just being nice.

Or maybe in my case nobody's interested.

Posted by: Country Boy at September 06, 2016 07:04 PM (cQCm/)

282 >>>Dinner is an instant friend zone if you have not kissed first.

Dinner is fun foreplay. The game is to try and stick your fingers in her mouth under the pretense of feeding her. Then see how naughty she gets. If she deep throats your whole fist, best to climb out the bathroom window and run for it.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 06, 2016 07:04 PM (nx6Qx)

283 >>>You do know that you have a blog where you often talk about yourself in brutally honest ways and you have a host of women readers who find you interesting, yes?

i use my blog powers for good, not evil

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:04 PM (dciA+)

284 Jim Carey and Jeff Goldblum proved Earth Girls Are Easy

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 06, 2016 07:05 PM (FLJFl)

285 256 Dinner is an instant friend zone if you have not kissed first.

That's ridiculous.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 06, 2016 06:58 PM (zc3Db

I stand corrected. Almost always an instant friend zone.

Get the kiss out of the way before dinner. If she says no or moves away then you are just being used for a free meal(s).

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:05 PM (0fbbp)

286
Just as good looking men can have bad material that works

Really attractive women can get away with all sorts of cruelty. And my sex can be terribly cruel

Posted by: ThunderB at September 06, 2016 07:05 PM (wpKFM)

287 276
a friend of mine who got tail offered this advice:

Never bother trying to go out and pick up a girl if your apartment (and toilet) isn't cleaned beforehand.

OMG. This.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:05 PM (1ZOkK)

288 eh...
I'd hit it.

With my oldsmobile !

Posted by: ted kennedy at September 06, 2016 07:05 PM (pHVJG)

289 The same can apply to hot women. There is a pattern of cases on Judge Judy of young, pretty girls who get average joe, somewhat older guys to buy them cars, vacations, whatever, then dump them.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 06, 2016 07:05 PM (+lVUW)

290 This is why as a millennial I gave up on marriage and any hope of a healthy relationship in exchange for hookers and porn.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 06, 2016 07:05 PM (Te28N)

291 Ah...ODELL Beckham. Not that British shit. That's what I get for not carefully reading through one of Ace's multi-thousand-word Lena Dunham analyses. Just skimmed through and saw the last name.

But anyway...whatever. It's Lena Dunham. She's an idiot.

Posted by: Stu-22 at September 06, 2016 07:06 PM (rUc9h)

292 Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:03 PM (dciA+)
I would also add clean sheets unless you're an 8 or above.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:06 PM (Q5Ymk)

293 >>>Maybe you're more confident or experienced than i am, but i can't ever tell the difference between someone who's interested or just being nice.

Or maybe in my case nobody's interested.
Posted by: Country Boy

...

but as a guy you don't have to wait to find out. just ask them.

Not a lot of guys try just asking a girl out any more.

it's a classic for a reason.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:06 PM (dciA+)

294 How I reeled in my husband:

We had been internet acquaintances for a year, he was married, I was going through a difficult divorce. He helped me set up my blog, then we lost touch for 6-8 months.

One day I thought, "hey I wonder how that guy is doing?" So I sent him an email.

Subject line? "Howdy Fucker!"

Hook, line, sinker.

I mean how else should you address a dude who ran a blog called Big Dick's Place? I ain't ever had much couth.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:06 PM (+eR2D)

295 OK, I can't comment on this thread due to gender dysphoria, so let's go wayyyyy off-topic:

How can a person implement html/css/javascript/whatever code such that if a visitor goes to any random unclaimed url or directory at one's site, they are automatically redirected back to the home page?

Explanation:

Say, for example, you owned a domain www.qqq.com. You have content on the root-level main "home" page, and you also have content at www.qqq/abc and www.qqq/def. BUT nowhere else -- just those two subdomains. In this situation, if a visitor for some reason went to a random-typed sub-domain -- say, for example, www.qqq/zxv, they would either get a "404 Unavailable" error message or just a blank page with the browser giving an error message, or in something like that. So my goal would be to redirect anyone who went ot /zxv back to the main "root" page. But my goal is to not just set up a redirect on a specific named subdirectory (which I already know how to do), but to any and all subdirectories currently not under use. So that my redirect comment would NOT work for the existing subdirectories www.qqq/abc or /def, but WOULD work for literally EVERY OTHER combination of characters.

Is this possible? If so: How?

Posted by: zombie at September 06, 2016 07:06 PM (jBuUi)

296 One blog to rule them all
One blog to find them
One blog to bring them all
In in the darkness
Bind them.

Posted by: Not the AoSHq at September 06, 2016 07:06 PM (0G2eQ)

297 No doubt she did something gross immediately upon sitting down that offended him. It's not just her looks--her whole persona is defined by grossness, and not the good kind.

You're thinking of the gravel thing?

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 06, 2016 07:07 PM (+lVUW)

298
The most hilarious backhanded pickup advice I've ever heard was after a guy in my company was busted screwing a high school junior.

The First Sergeant commented in front of the whole company "I better not get a call from the MPs about you bastards hanging out in front of the local junior high school with a Snickers bar and a fly rod."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 06, 2016 07:07 PM (LuZz8)

299 100 Well, if we are going down the rabbit hole of trying to parse what Lena is saying into some sort of rational thought...

There exist attractive outfits for Lena's body type.

There is an entire subset of the fashion industry that toils tirelessly to produce clothing that flatters that body type, accentuating the positive and playing down the negative aspects.

Similarly, there are makeup and hairdos that work extremely well with a face like Lena's.

She doesn't make use of them. At least, not often.

She consciously chooses outfits, makeup, hairstyles, and tattoos that make her look awful.

Not awful in a way that draws attention (strangely enough), but in a way that specifically repels the eye.

A google search will show you about 95% pictures that make you actually want to look away and about 1 out of twenty that present her in a manner that is eh, not bad. Or even good.

She spends more money looking painfully unattractive than other women spend looking good.

Posted by: Sweet Lou at September 06, 2016 06:26 PM (Fzaq0)

I suspect many of the guys on here insulting Dunham have been attracted to, dated, had sex with, and married women who don't have perfect bodies, even some who either through nature's gifts or the vicissitudes of life are more than a few pounds over their ideal weight. And neither person cares, because that's the way life goes, and there's something about that woman that still attracts that guy.

From what I've seen of Dunham, she seems to have decided to push the envelope on how she can look and still be 'attractive' to anyone besides herself. Confidence in almost anyone is appealing, but at a certain point the changes to your appearance limit the potential field; being chubby and neurotic cuts down on the people who are interested in you just as surely as full-coverage arm and neck tattoos do.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at September 06, 2016 07:07 PM (W2YA6)

300 This is really fucking depressing. Not that I started from a position of happiness, but still.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:07 PM (0mRoj)

301 (I left off the ".com"s in various places on my comment at #295, but just ignore those typos.)

Posted by: zombie at September 06, 2016 07:07 PM (jBuUi)

302 Ace, obviously, I can't know the counter factual. And the time I put into transitioning her from friend to gf was absolutely not worth it. So I'm not saying it's a good idea - it's plainly not.

Posted by: Broseidon on his newer magic glowing square at September 06, 2016 07:07 PM (y4g7i)

303 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 06, 2016 07:04 PM (nx6Qx)
Okay, I've been married since the very late 80's but who are you guys dating?

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:08 PM (Q5Ymk)

304 "I wanna ram my tongue up your starfish." has worked amazingly well for me.

Posted by: Afroman at September 06, 2016 07:08 PM (HXEdZ)

305 What I've learned from this blog: I never, ever, want to be single again.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:09 PM (1ZOkK)

306 You do know that you have a blog where you often talk about yourself in brutally honest ways and you have a host of women readers who find you interesting, yes?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 06, 2016 07:03 PM
********
You do know that you have a blog where you often talk about yourself in brutally honest ways and you have a host of women readers who find you interesting, yes?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 06, 2016 07:03 PM
******
Haha. I was going to say the same thing. Have you ever tried starting with "Hi. I'm Ace. From Ace of Spades."

Posted by: L, Elle at September 06, 2016 07:09 PM (6IPEM)

307 Perhaps Odell Beckham realizes he as an NFL player has an extremely short career, little room for error, and has the eyes of the media and every shifty whore on him for long-term baby-making payments.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 06, 2016 07:09 PM (VxHD9)

308 Subject line? "Howdy Fucker!"
Hook, line, sinker.
*****************************

So that line plus him being married is enough to reel you in?

I knew I was doing this wrong, turns out I need to be married first to meet interesting women to date.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 06, 2016 07:09 PM (Te28N)

309 Posted by: zombie at September 06, 2016 07:06 PM (jBuUi)

Just make the specific error page (that will be sent) a redirect to the home page. That's one simple way of doing it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 06, 2016 07:09 PM (zc3Db)

310 Really, a pro ball player doesn't need to pretend to be interested in a Pillsbury-esque goon like Dunham. 'Specially if he might know she's crayzee.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 07:10 PM (+wjl1)

311 304 "I wanna ram my tongue up your starfish." has worked amazingly well for me.
Posted by: Afroman at September 06, 2016 07:08 PM (HXEdZ)

It's only funny if she's a marine biologist.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:10 PM (0mRoj)

312 This is why you need a dog, Ace. A cat is good, but you can't take it out for walks. Most everyone is soft-hearted for dogs, will look at you fondly as the kind owner. You take it for long walks. It is a guarantee you'll get women stopping to pet your dog.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 07:10 PM (CFc5L)

313 Get the kiss out of the way before dinner. If she says no or moves away then you are just being used for a free meal(s).

***

Because screw a woman getting to know you before offering affection, right?

It sounds like maybe you have to get it before she has a chance to know you too well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 06, 2016 07:10 PM (SEXy3)

314 My experience was that when I was with a girl or heartbroken by a girl and pining after her and therefore not interested in other girls, other girls were interested in me.

Oh yeah. The thing that made me most attractive to girls was getting engaged to one.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 07:10 PM (mgbwf)

315 jakeman: "...until one of her sorority sisters asked me, astonished, if I realized I was the ONLY guy she'd dated but hadn't slept with that year. Sigh."

You know, call me old fashioned, but I think you dodged a bullet there. In that particular instance, I hope that was a sigh of relief.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 06, 2016 07:10 PM (1CroS)

316 Beckham should have just turned to Lena and said, "I read your book."

And gone back to his iPhone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:10 PM (1ZOkK)

317 Oh god, let me emphasize that when I sent that email, he was then going through his own divorce. I am not a homewrecker.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:11 PM (+eR2D)

318 @203 I've done the get-to-know-her-as-a-friend bullshit. It never worked, not a single time, and I was in agony all through the pantywaist waiting game I was playing. I didn't feel manly, and I was just wasting time and spinning wheels with a girl with no interest (other than just not wanting to crush my feelings by saying, "Look, let me cut to the chase, you obviously like me, but I don't think of you like that.")
---------------

My congregation (all single) had a dating and relationships expert give a presentation a few months ago. Without explicitly saying it, part of her advice essentially boiled down to "Don't try the be friends first route."

Posted by: junior at September 06, 2016 07:11 PM (MSpR+)

319 "however, as usual, the logic sure sounds good, and I sure am stating it confidently"

Once again, logic has little to do with it.

Posted by: freaked at September 06, 2016 07:11 PM (BO/km)

320 i saw a NYT article years ago where women kept joining book clubs and wine tasting clubs and going rock climbing WITH THE EXPECTATION THERE'D BE MEN THERE TO HIT ON THEM but men stupidly weren't going to these things and were just going to bars.

so like yeah, go where women are and you can seem interesting and have some mutual interest to talk about.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:00 PM (dciA+)

Yep, my dad, who is an alpha retired CEO, took Home Ec in high school to be around girls. This was back in the 50s, and it took some real balls to do that.

Bonus: he learned to how to sew--not that he ever used that again.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 07:11 PM (ozZau)

321 Country boy,
If the girl touches your arm or leg would be a definite clue.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:11 PM (Q5Ymk)

322
She spends more money looking painfully unattractive than other women spend looking good.

Self-sabotage. Then she can complain about the injustice of it all.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 07:12 PM (+wjl1)

323 Best pick up line ever:

"You wanna make $20.00 the hard way?".......

Price adjusted for your environment however.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 06, 2016 07:12 PM (ej1L0)

324 That will teach me to never tell a story. I always leave some important detail out. Fuck.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:12 PM (+eR2D)

325
Beckham should have just turned to Lena and said, "I read your book."

And gone back to his iPhone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:10 PM (1ZOkK)

Oh, you wimmens are MEAN.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 06, 2016 07:12 PM (LuZz8)

326 Anybody have any advice how I can get this Winona chick to back the eff off?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 07:12 PM (+wjl1)

327 The next poster like to look at her nekid.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at September 06, 2016 07:12 PM (xInes)

328 Best thing ever...if the conversation is going well, just lean in and tell her "Lets get the good night kiss out of the way now and then there's no pressure later."

Pioneered by Woody Allen in Annie Hall. "We'll digest our food better".

I may have borrowed the approach once or twice.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 07:13 PM (mgbwf)

329 Please tell me I'm not the only one this is making feel miserable...

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:13 PM (0mRoj)

330 266 Well, this discussion confirms something I've thought over for the last several years - I really am going to be alone the rest of my life.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:00 PM (0mRoj)

Until the balance of power in Western Civilization evens back out, then you are not missing out.

I decided to devote all of my energy to my children after I got divorced. As long as you have your children thinking about you and loving you then you are not alone and never will be.

Energy towards a relationship takes away from your relationship with your children. They want, need, and deserve to be #1 and the only one(s).

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:13 PM (0fbbp)

331 Lena, I want to tongue punch your fart box. Your place or mine?

Posted by: Not Odell Beckham Jr. at September 06, 2016 07:13 PM (HVQlX)

332 That will teach me to never tell a story. I always leave some important detail out. Fuck.
*************************

I'd laugh if I didn't know it's actually easier to attract women when you're already married. See George Costanza.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 06, 2016 07:13 PM (Te28N)

333 She spends more money looking painfully unattractive than other women spend looking good.

Well ... no matter how much she spends and what she does she's going to look painfully unattractive. She doesn't really have a choice.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 06, 2016 07:14 PM (zc3Db)

334 Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:09 PM (1ZOkK)
Me neither Jane, me neither. I'm happily married.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:14 PM (Q5Ymk)

335 Heh.

Just remembered that her 'boy'friend said he couldn't get married to her while gay people were denied marriage.

Guess that one didn't resolve itself the way she was expecting.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 07:14 PM (+wjl1)

336 I'm blaming it on the second bourbon. I had to put my cat down today. I'm having an extra drink. Plus, I'm a horrible storyteller.

I was divorced, he was getting divorced, I sent the "Howdy Fucker" email. UGH.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:14 PM (+eR2D)

337 Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:13 PM (0fbbp)

It's a fair point. It's just that all the alone time in between is really difficult.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:14 PM (0mRoj)

338 What's the alternative to this decadent situation?

Patriarchy. Where women are married off at a young age as their parents or guardians choose.

In light of the things going on today, I don't see how that was such a bad system.

Posted by: Onlooker at September 06, 2016 07:15 PM (1kjZB)

339 she apologized after getting hammered...but yeah, if he looked at her...she'd accuse him of raping her.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, whatever at September 06, 2016 07:15 PM (0O7c5)

340
"You wanna make $20.00 the hard way?".......

The Groucho Marx gambit

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 06, 2016 07:15 PM (lKyWE)

341 Is Lena Dunham so completely self-centered that she actually believes she is an attractive woman? Does she truly think men should fall at her feet because ugly critics have heaped so much praise upon her?

She might. OKCupid did a study and found women rate 80% of men below avage. There are a whole lot of women out there resentful for having to settle when it's not even the case.

Also, as Glenn Reynolds noted, famous women tend to project their own sexuality onto men, in that they believe status makes them more desirable as a mate, when guys just don't place much value in it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (Xuv2G)

342 I've been conscious of "punching above my weight" with chicks since junior high. Always aim for the cutest/smartest girl that you can stand being around for more than 15 minutes at a time, and when that is established, say nice things to her. Went to more than my share of proms using that formula. I assume it translates to adult mating habits.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (2cS/G)

343 If the girl touches your arm or leg would be a definite clue.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:11 PM (Q5Ymk)

My wife gives me the finger in the ribs....What does that mean?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (Ozsfq)

344 Sex Sux.

Posted by: jbspry at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (+Wvn3)

345 OT: Great Claremont piece on why to vote Trump.

http://tinyurl.com/gtugxd3

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (WVeiZ)

346 dangergirl...sorry about your cat

Posted by: phoenixgirl, whatever at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (0O7c5)

347 "You wanna make $20.00 the hard way?".......

The Groucho Marx gambit

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 06, 2016 07:15 PM (lKyWE)

Was that Groucho? I know it from Caddyshack. Also, "You must have been something before electricity!"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (zc3Db)

348 343 If the girl touches your arm or leg would be a definite clue.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:11 PM (Q5Ymk)

My wife gives me the finger in the ribs....What does that mean?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (Ozsfq)

She's locating the best spot for sliding in the stiletto.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:17 PM (0mRoj)

349 Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:14 PM (+eR2D)
I'm sorry for the loss of your kitty DangerGirl.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:17 PM (Q5Ymk)

350 A boyishly female admitted child molester sits down next to you wearing a tuxedo.

Are you not talking to it because:

A. It's not attractive to you,
B. You don't have the time to deal with its confusion, or
C. Ofnatural disgust towards individuals who admit to deriving amusement from finger-banging children?

She could be Sherilyn Fenn, circa 1990, and I'd have zero interest in having a conversation with a rapist- my sexual desires are wired funny like that, I guess.

Posted by: Fringe at September 06, 2016 07:17 PM (E18s5)

351 313 Get the kiss out of the way before dinner. If she says no or moves away then you are just being used for a free meal(s).

***

Because screw a woman getting to know you before offering affection, right?

It sounds like maybe you have to get it before she has a chance to know you too well.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 06, 2016 07:10 PM (SEXy3)

No, because women know within 10seconds wether or not you are somebody they want to have sex with. If you are seeking a relationship that involves sex, then move in for a kiss. Why is that common sense so offensive?

If you are seeking a purely plutonic relationship then what's the point of a kiss. Go have dinner and do whatever.

This is not the 1950's 60's 70's or even 80's anymore.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:17 PM (0fbbp)

352 She's locating the best spot for sliding in the stiletto.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:17 PM (0mRoj)

That's what I figured

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:18 PM (Ozsfq)

353 336
I'm blaming it on the second bourbon. I had to put my cat down today.
I'm having an extra drink. Plus, I'm a horrible storyteller.

I was divorced, he was getting divorced, I sent the "Howdy Fucker" email. UGH.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:14 PM (+eR2D)

Jeebus. So sorry about your cat.

One of our two kitties has something wrong with her right eye and lower lip tonight. Her face is getting all swollen. She's indoors only. Taking her to the vet first thing tomorrow. Vet told me to try to get her to take a quarter of a Benadryl. Put one in a pill pocket. She won't touch it.

Yay. Always something. Praying not to end up at the super expensive 24 hour emergency vet. We've already bought a wing there.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:18 PM (1ZOkK)

354 I've never dated a marine biologist, Insomniac. Something to look forward to!

Posted by: Afroman at September 06, 2016 07:18 PM (HXEdZ)

355 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 06, 2016 07:10 PM (1CroS)

At the time, it was an ego blow. But yes, in retrospect, I'm sure God was saving me from myself!

Posted by: jakeman at September 06, 2016 07:18 PM (yKkl0)

356
332
That will teach me to never tell a story. I always leave some important detail out. Fuck.

*************************

I'd laugh if I didn't know it's actually easier to attract women when you're already married. See George Costanza.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at September 06, 2016 07:13 PM (Te28N)

An old buddy of mine used to work that angle ALL the time. Dude was single, but he bought a wedding band at a pawn shop, and he'd wear it while out bar-hopping. Fucker was always hip deep in good-looking women. Granted, they left a LOT to be desired in the trustworthiness/sanity department.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 06, 2016 07:18 PM (LuZz8)

357 Oh, God. Not Lena Dunham again.
What's Margaret Cho up to these days?

Posted by: tu3031 at September 06, 2016 07:18 PM (qJhUV)

358 dangergirl...sorry about your cat

Posted by: phoenixgirl, whatever at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (0O7c5)

Thanks phxgirl. I've been preparing for the last month or so. Mr. D and I discussed it for three days. It was time.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:18 PM (+eR2D)

359 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (Ozsfq)
I've been known to kick my husband under the table. The socially awkward husband asks why I'm kicking him.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:18 PM (Q5Ymk)

360 >>> Never bother trying to go out and pick up a girl if your apartment (and toilet) isn't cleaned beforehand. OMG. This.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:05 PM (1ZOkK)

During one of my dating droughts I agreed to go on a date with this awkward guy I met at church. He called me during the week and we had these bizarre convos, like do you want to have kids naturally or via c-section? Mind you we have not had one date yet! I should have run away screaming, but instead I made it a double date with a BFF and her fiancee. Movie and dinner at his place, he was insistent we could have it at his place.

Get there, tiny creepy apartment, and his bedroom door is open. Dirty looking pillows and top sheet on a dirty bare mattress, no sheet.

Yeah, there was no second date. Should have listened to my instincts. But hey, now I have a great date from hell story to tell!

Posted by: LizLem at September 06, 2016 07:19 PM (hvf9s)

361 357 Oh, God. Not Lena Dunham again.
What's Margaret Cho up to these days?
Posted by: tu3031 at September 06, 2016 07:18 PM (qJhUV)

About 185.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:19 PM (0mRoj)

362 I knew I was doing this wrong, turns out I need to be married first to meet interesting women to date.
***

True story: In 1990, my wife and I were the proud parents of brand new twin boys. After they turned one year old we decided to take a rare weekend vacation to the beach. I leave the condo with my twins in this ginormous heavy duty double stroller we had bought and start pushing them down the beach waiting for my wife to finish up a phone call and join us.

20 minutes later my wife walks down to the beach and the boys and I are literally surrounding by over a dozen young hotties in tiny bikinis having a fit over my twin boys. The look from my wife when she walked up to us altered weather patterns in the Caribbean for over 48 hours.

F

Posted by: Azathoth at September 06, 2016 07:19 PM (XN0hD)

363 Dangergirl...sorry about your kitty. Never an easy process.

Posted by: IC at September 06, 2016 07:19 PM (a0IVu)

364 I don't understand how people who are sensitive to their own insecure
place in the Sexual Desirability Pecking Order can be so profoundly,
vindictively insensitive to the exactly similar sensitivity/insecurity of others, simply because they're from the Enemy Gender.

There's two words that make it all make sense. "Stupidity" and "Egoism."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 06, 2016 07:20 PM (AroJD)

365
Please tell me I'm not the only one this is making feel miserable...

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:13 PM (0mRoj)

Nope, you're not the only one. I'm realizing that my chances of landing a guy that I actually want to be around are approaching nil. Why does everyone assume the ladies automatically understand when they're being hit on? I can never tell if someone is interested or just being nice.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 06, 2016 07:20 PM (26lkV)

366 I once asked this hot chick if she would S my D and she did!

But she was my girlfriend so....

Posted by: Steve Buscemi leg in a wood chippa with a Patrick Duffy leg at September 06, 2016 07:20 PM (qUNWi)

367 Oh, condolences on the kitteh, dangergirl.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 07:20 PM (mgbwf)

368 Subject line? "Howdy Fucker!"

Hook, line, sinker.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:06 PM (+eR2D)

I love that.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 07:20 PM (ozZau)

369 >> Always aim for the cutest/smartest girl that you can stand being around for more than 15 minutes at a time...

As I recall, Julio Eglesias's secret to bedding scores of women ran something like. "Go for the 5. It will make the 10 wonder what the 5 has that she doesn't, and it will make the 1 think, 'Hmm, maybe I have a chance!'"

Posted by: jakeman at September 06, 2016 07:21 PM (yKkl0)

370
Yay. Always something. Praying not to end up at the super expensive 24 hour emergency vet. We've already bought a wing there.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:18 PM (1ZOkK)
Aw Jane, I hope she's ok and that it's something easy to fix. Maybe you can smoosh the Benadryl up into some food? Of course, that never worked with our kitties...they'd look at me like I was trying to poison them. Also, thank you.
You as well, CaliGirl.

'rons and 'ettes are the best.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:22 PM (+eR2D)

371 Volume!

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 06, 2016 07:22 PM (2cS/G)

372 I usually just text a pic of my junk.

Posted by: C. Danger at September 06, 2016 07:23 PM (+wjl1)

373 My 2cents on this. Ace , you spent all that time learning French. Baffle them with the bullshit first. That would give you an instant ? factor.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 06, 2016 07:23 PM (fZqx4)

374 Volume!

STD!!

Posted by: Steve Buscemi leg in a wood chippa with a Patrick Duffy leg at September 06, 2016 07:23 PM (qUNWi)

375 If the girl touches your arm or leg would be a definite clue.

Touches with like her hand, or her taser ?

Posted by: Opus at September 06, 2016 07:23 PM (vmsda)

376 I insulted my husbands CO in the officers club

He had to have me. That was it. I knew he had balls. We were engaged in 7 weeks. Married 24 years

Posted by: ThunderB at September 06, 2016 07:23 PM (wpKFM)

377 Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 06, 2016 07:20 PM (26lkV)
I can't always tell either. I'm an extrovert and make friends everywhere. When we are out sometimes I'll make a friend then my husband will walk up and I'll introduce my husband to my new friend. My husband tells me guys think I'm hitting on them because I'm nice and I need to be careful.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:23 PM (Q5Ymk)

378 >>>I once asked this hot chick if she would S my D and she did!

She shoveled your driveway?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 06, 2016 07:23 PM (nx6Qx)

379
Do I owe her chit-chat? Does she owe me chit-chat?

Is this like right Twix v left Twix?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 06, 2016 07:23 PM (d6Zcu)

380 Vimen's Tennis on that sports station I shall not name

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:24 PM (Ozsfq)

381 My own theory on why the Jerk Initiation seems to work is that the guys using this I-really-don't-care sort of strategy are sexually confident because they're already good looking
***
From my own perspective, I've found that "I-really-don't-care" works much better then actually caring if my "pick up" attempt is working. And its not that I'm being a jerk when I "don't care". I'm neither rich nor particularly handsome so that is not the determinate. I am really funny - but women won't find you funny unless they like you so it is actually of no use in meeting women.

I think women, really, really like genuine confidence to the exclusion of almost all else. PUAs try to fake it with their act, which is actually understandable. Pretending to be confident will get you to eventually being confident.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 06, 2016 07:24 PM (E7/zB)

382 You can however take your lion out for walks. That is how Mike Tyson does things

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 06, 2016 07:24 PM (C4kJG)

383 Nope, you're not the only one. I'm realizing that my chances of landing a guy that I actually want to be around are approaching nil. Why does everyone assume the ladies automatically understand when they're being hit on? I can never tell if someone is interested or just being nice.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 06, 2016 07:20 PM (26lkV)

Well, speaking from a guy's perspective, it seems that we're the ones required to read minds. We're supposed to approach a girl only if she wants to be approached, otherwise it's "creepy." If we don't approach the girl who wants us to approach, we're gay. If we're open about our intentions, and we aren't tall, rich and handsome, we get gutted. If we aren't open about our intentions, then we get friend zoned. So for an average guy, being clear about his interest is an extreme risk for him.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:25 PM (0mRoj)

384 "feminism is a sub-type of humanism, " hold on,
|________^
There, fixed it

Posted by: JoshO at September 06, 2016 07:25 PM (2dPG2)

385 She shoveled your driveway?

hah....fuck yes she did.

Posted by: Steve Buscemi leg in a wood chippa with a Patrick Duffy leg at September 06, 2016 07:25 PM (qUNWi)

386 229 It's amazing how technology has radically changed dating.

My sister and I were talking yesterday about that. Her close friend from high school got married using one of those dating sites. I'm going to Boston later this month for the wedding of a very good friend of mine. It will be his second, his first wife died about 7 years ago. It was sudden and it hit him very hard. He met the first wife in college (late 80s-early 90s). Well, he must have gotten tired of being alone and started using one of those dating sites a couple of years back (E-Harmony I think). Well, he's getting married so I guess it worked. I haven't tried it but I'm more concerned it might work than not. I like single.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 06, 2016 07:25 PM (sJGDn)

387 No, because women know within 10seconds wether or not you are somebody they want to have sex with. If you are seeking a relationship that involves sex, then move in for a kiss. Why is that common sense so offensive?

If you are seeking a purely plutonic relationship then what's the point of a kiss. Go have dinner and do whatever.

This is not the 1950's 60's 70's or even 80's anymore.

****

You are completely full of shit. I think it's clear why anyone who spends an entire dinner with you has no interest in kissing you.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 06, 2016 07:25 PM (SEXy3)

388 378 >>>I once asked this hot chick if she would S my D and she did!

She shoveled your driveway?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 06, 2016 07:23 PM (nx6Qx)

Sand his deck.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:25 PM (0mRoj)

389 305 What I've learned from this blog: I never, ever, want to be single again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:09 PM (1ZOkK)

Word. I'm not ever going to be on the dating scene again, and it's a comfort to know that.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 07:26 PM (ozZau)

390 337 Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:13 PM (0fbbp)

It's a fair point. It's just that all the alone time in between is really difficult.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:14 PM (

You don't need a woman for confirmation, affermation, and validation. Feminism has tricked men into believing that lie and it is a lie and it destroys men.

Once you take sex and relationships off the table, life becomes simplified and less lonely, especially when you have children already.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:26 PM (0fbbp)

391 345 OT: Great Claremont piece on why to vote Trump.

http://tinyurl.com/gtugxd3
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at September 06, 2016 07:16 PM (WVeiZ)

MP4 linked that earlier and it is a must-read. Someone should write a post about it (either ace or a cob).

Awesome title, too.

Posted by: rickl at September 06, 2016 07:26 PM (sdi6R)

392 Normally I withhold my essence from women.

Posted by: Steve Buscemi leg in a wood chippa with a Patrick Duffy leg at September 06, 2016 07:27 PM (qUNWi)

393 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 06, 2016 07:25 PM (SEXy3)

That was a cruel thing to say.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:27 PM (0mRoj)

394 >>> Feminists have spoken. This is now the Sex Law.

"For this
one time. You're dealing with progressives, ace. Progressives make up
shit as they go along. They make up a Rule and then the Rule is
forgotten the next day when what they want is completely opposite to
what they said they wanted yesterday. It is useless to hold them to
quaint expectations such as logic, common sense, or consistency."

In short: Calvinball.

The score is Q to 12!

Posted by: torquewrench at September 06, 2016 07:27 PM (noWW6)

395 Thanks, everyone.

So, as a woman, I as well have always had a difficult time reading signs from men. I would read too much into them being nice then be mortified when I asked for more. There seems to be communication issues all around.

God forbid, if anything ever happens to Mr D I am not getting back into dating. I can't handle that shit.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:28 PM (+eR2D)

396 condolences on the loss of your kitteh... we lost our yard cat a month or so back: he was living here when we moved in, and finally came into the house at the beginning of the summer.

it's never easy.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 06, 2016 07:28 PM (eWPDq)

397 I don't understand how people who are sensitive to their own insecure
place in the Sexual Desirability Pecking Order can be so profoundly,
vindictively insensitive to the exactly similar sensitivity/insecurity of others, simply because they're from the Enemy Gender.
***
You seem to think feminism has something to do with equality.

It doesn't.

It is merely a different power paradigm then what women have traditionally practiced - so if feminists can force it on society they get to jump ahead of the traditionally successful women.

Lena Dunham cares about money, power, and sex with hot guys - and her tool is feminism. She has no use for low status males, so from her perspective they can FUAD.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 06, 2016 07:28 PM (E7/zB)

398 387 No, because women know within 10seconds wether or not you are somebody they want to have sex with. If you are seeking a relationship that involves sex, then move in for a kiss. Why is that common sense so offensive?

If you are seeking a purely plutonic relationship then what's the point of a kiss. Go have dinner and do whatever.

This is not the 1950's 60's 70's or even 80's anymore.

****

You are completely full of shit. I think it's clear why anyone who spends an entire dinner with you has no interest in kissing you.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 06, 2016 07:25 PM (SEXy3)

Missing my point. And no I'm not full of shit.

Why are you so offended over a kiss before dinner? Why has that triggered you?

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:28 PM (0fbbp)

399 I've lost track but I think it was MrPeebles upthread who said the Dunham creature has probably been over-sexualized from childhood and doesn't know how to relate to people otherwise. I think that's probably true.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 07:28 PM (ozZau)

400 God forbid, if anything ever happens to Mr D I am not getting back into dating. I can't handle that shit.

If a guy humps your leg that means YES.

Posted by: Steve Buscemi leg in a wood chippa with a Patrick Duffy leg at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (qUNWi)

401 I'll never understand why some women would go after married men. For a quicky? To know they can do it? To try and snatch the man from his wife? And if they do take a man away from his wife, do they not think it won't happen to them in the future?

Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (CFc5L)

402 You are completely full of shit. I think it's clear why anyone who spends an entire dinner with you has no interest in kissing you.

Heh.

Mad props to NDH.

I did some internet dating a couple of years ago. There is nothing wrong with being a gentleman. If she wants to kiss you after the first dinner there's a good chance of getting laid on the third date.

If she lets you finger bang her you get there on the second.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (mgbwf)

403
Geez, ace, you're throwing 90%s and 10%s around here like condoms at the Folsom Street Fair! Can we get a Venn diagram here?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (d6Zcu)

404 At Phillies games years ago had 3rd row from visitors dug out, there were two very cute girls sitting near. A couple of the players were throwing balls to them and at first the girls thought they were just being nice. But the player keep trying to get them to throw them back and I figured it out right away but don't remember if the girls did. The point was to write phone numbers on the balls.

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (0G2eQ)

405 401 I'll never understand why some women would go after married men. For a quicky? To know they can do it? To try and snatch the man from his wife? And if they do take a man away from his wife, do they not think it won't happen to them in the future?
Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (CFc5L)

Because a man who already has a woman is more attractive to other women. It's a very cruel trick of biology.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:30 PM (0mRoj)

406 >>>312 This is why you need a dog, Ace. A cat is good, but you can't take it out for walks. Most everyone is soft-hearted for dogs, will look at you fondly as the kind owner. You take it for long walks. It is a guarantee you'll get women stopping to pet your dog.
Posted by: washrivergal

what about a four year old boy

Posted by: Anthony Weiner, half-erect at September 06, 2016 07:30 PM (dciA+)

407 You don't need a woman for confirmation, affermation, and validation. Feminism has tricked men into believing that lie and it is a lie and it destroys men.
Once you take sex and relationships off the table, life becomes simplified and less lonely, especially when you have children already.
Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:26 PM (0fbbp)

Yup....30-35 minutes every few weeks is all you need for "companionship". Otherwise get a dog. You will be happier, richer and you don't have to wake up with a woman who looks like Don Rickles at 4 am.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 06, 2016 07:30 PM (ej1L0)

408 Heck hath no fury...

Posted by: Shakespeare at September 06, 2016 07:31 PM (mL2BD)

409 Oh yeah. The thing that made me most attractive to girls was getting engaged to one.

The PUAs call it "qualification", the idea being if another woman spent time with you and decided she wanted to get married you don't have any big non-obvious flaws.

That's the way it's always worked for me, too, though I've never been engaged. When women find out I have a girlfriend it seems to stimulate some kind of competitive impulse. When I'm alone the same woman won't give me the time of day.

It's pretty messed up, when you think about it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at September 06, 2016 07:31 PM (Xuv2G)

410 Guys don't have to be attractive. They have to be clean and groomed, and a bit maintained. But after that they must attract with what they DO, not with how they look.

I'll go a step further: Totally hot looking dudes come across to girls as creepy if they don't know how to attract.

And no, the guys who study pickup arts aren't faking it. They're simply learning the things that come naturally to the lottery winners. If you learn game, you got game.

Posted by: cpurick at September 06, 2016 07:31 PM (9m1X6)

411 390, You don't need a woman for confirmation,
affermation, and validation. Feminism has tricked men into believing
that lie and it is a lie and it destroys men.

Once you take sex and relationships off the table, life becomes
simplified and less lonely, especially when you have children already.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:26 PM (0fbbp)
I really do agree with you. A friend who became a nun once told me the same thing, 'once you take sex and earthly relationships with the opposite sex out of the equation, your life becomes simpler and much richer' (in faith, in her case). And as I get older, I truly believe that.

Posted by: IC at September 06, 2016 07:31 PM (a0IVu)

412 Once you take sex and relationships off the table,
life becomes simplified and less lonely, especially when you have
children already.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:26 PM (0fbbp)

oh, it does does it

Posted by: runner at September 06, 2016 07:31 PM (c6/9Q)

413 397 Posted by: 18-1 at September 06, 2016 07:28 PM (E7/zB)

Limbaugh and Schlafly both has this nailed in the late 70s to mid 80s...

"the operating goal of modern feminism is to force good looking men to find ugly women attractive."

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 07:31 PM (SzZnW)

414 "Well, speaking from a guy's perspective, it seems that we're the ones required to read minds. We're supposed to approach a girl only if she wants to be approached, otherwise it's "creepy." If we don't approach the girl who wants us to approach, we're gay. If we're open about our intentions, and we aren't tall, rich and handsome, we get gutted. If we aren't open about our intentions, then we get friend zoned. So for an average guy, being clear about his interest is an extreme risk for him." FOr several years after my divorce, they were the dilemmas I faced. Then came an epiphany...I said fuck it. If I were interested I'd say hello. If I were not, I didnt. The gutting became moot once I rationalized that we were not right. I have met more than my share of fun, interesting and mostly sane women since then. mostly...

Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at September 06, 2016 07:31 PM (vmsda)

415 Why is Chumley wearing Tennessee's tuxedo?

Posted by: x at September 06, 2016 07:31 PM (nFwvY)

416 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 06, 2016 07:25 PM (SEXy3)
I won't be as harsh as you were NDH but I wouldn't like that at all. I know I haven't dated in forever but if someone asked me to dinner Id want to make sure we'd mesh before I kissed the person.
I wouldn't have liked it if my 17 year old self went on a date with Rob Lowe and he did that. Would not like it at all. I wasn't a skank though. YMMV.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (Q5Ymk)

417 Browser loading problem:

Pixie has done something to the site.
Historically when I click "continue reading" the page expands, no more, it opens that thread complete in that tab. IOWs, I am no longer at the home page I am on that individual subject page.
Also when I press "end" the end pops up and when I press "Home" it jumps to the top. No more.

NoScript and Image n Flash Blocker help but
AoSHQ has been altered.

Posted by: gNewt....panhandlers never seem to not have their hands out ~ at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (wyeK6)

418 what about a four year old boy

Posted by: Anthony Weiner, half-erect at September 06, 2016 07:30 PM (dciA+)

UGH. I still can't get that photo out of my head. UGH UGH UGH.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (+eR2D)

419 Well, speaking from a guy's perspective, it
seems that we're the ones required to read minds. We're supposed to
approach a girl only if she wants to be approached, otherwise it's
"creepy." If we don't approach the girl who wants us to approach, we're
gay. If we're open about our intentions, and we aren't tall, rich and
handsome, we get gutted. If we aren't open about our intentions, then we
get friend zoned. So for an average guy, being clear about his
interest is an extreme risk for him.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:25 PM (0mRoj)

I hear ya, and that stinks. If it makes you feel better, there are ladies out there who actually want to get know their potential mates before hopping in the sack. I can appreciate the sight of a good looking guy, but I tend to think people are more attractive after spending some time with them. I can't be the only one who thinks this way.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (26lkV)

420
None of this would have happened if she had sat next to the German Sheperd

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (lKyWE)

421 Sven is here!!!!!

Posted by: Steve Buscemi leg in a wood chippa with a Patrick Duffy leg at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (qUNWi)

422
Its always worse than they say. How many times has the obama administration used this over the last 8 years?

http://tinyurl.com/jv96mmu

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (ODxAs)

423 Because a man who already has a woman is more attractive to other women. It's a very cruel trick of biology.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:30 PM (0mRoj)

I still don't get the point.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (CFc5L)

424 The good thing about being married is I always know what my wife is thinking.

The bad thing about being married is that I always know what my wife is thinking.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (Ozsfq)

425 I'll never understand why some women would go after married men. For a quicky? To know they can do it? To try and snatch the man from his wife? And if they do take a man away from his wife, do they not think it won't happen to them in the future?
Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (CFc5L)

I'll never get that either. Nutty skank? Gold digger?

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 07:33 PM (ozZau)

426 I've found aggressively complimenting a woman's toes is a winning pick up line.

Posted by: Dick Morris at September 06, 2016 07:33 PM (7qAYi)

427 So for an average guy, being clear about his interest is an extreme risk for him.
***
The answer is you have to not care if you get shot down. Because unless you are the alpha'est alpha around you will get shot down a lot.

So here is the problem. This means as a guy you have to hit on a lot of women. Perhaps 3/10 will be receptive, perhaps 1/10. It doesn't matter if you chat up a lot of women.

But this tends to jade men, as you might expect. And then you end up PUA...

It is almost like there is something wrong with modern western society isn't it?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 06, 2016 07:33 PM (E7/zB)

428 Rejecting fat, annoying, disgusting, women is not who we are,

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 06, 2016 07:33 PM (NbRJx)

429 My tablet is working faster with java off so far.

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2016 07:34 PM (0G2eQ)

430 From my own perspective, I've found that "I-really-don't-care" works much better then actually caring if my "pick up" attempt is working. And its not that I'm being a jerk when I "don't care". I'm neither rich nor particularly handsome so that is not the determinate. I am really funny - but women won't find you funny unless they like you so it is actually of no use in meeting women.

I think women, really, really like genuine confidence to the exclusion of almost all else. PUAs try to fake it with their act, which is actually understandable. Pretending to be confident will get you to eventually being confident.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 06, 2016 07:24 PM (E7/zB)

My best luck came when I stopped being worried about why I wasn't getting dates or why the women I knew or was meeting weren't interested. Looking back, I think I must have stopped coming across as 'needing' something to happen and my personality got a chance to come through, and fortunately it's an ok enough personality.

I never had any luck at all meeting women in bars. I did meet women online when that scene was starting, and I got set up by friends. I met Mrs. Friskito at work.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at September 06, 2016 07:34 PM (W2YA6)

431 I read a good deal of the PUA literature (if you'd call it that), and community stuff when I got to college and realized that just because I went to a state school that hot girls wouldn't fall into my lap (literally or figuratively) because I was still an introverted nerd.

Honestly, I think the whole thing gets a bad rap, and slightly undeservedly so. I get that women can be skeeved off by the idea that guys would try to "game the system" or whatever, but it's just a form of self-help guidelines. What you're doing now isn't making you happy. Here's things you can do to change that. Where they definitely fall short is that they've generally mistaken the final goal of a committed relationship with casual sex, which can work for guys for longer than women, but is generally still ultimately unfulfilling. Additionally, I think a lot of the nitty-gritty is focused on scenarios that are unlikely to result in an unfulfilling relationship anyway. How many people do you know that met their spouse of 20 years at a nightclub?

All the techniques that they talk about... it's not that they're bogus, per se, it's just that they're applying a very logical framework to social settings. Remember that the primary target audience is not the guys who don't need help with women, but the socially awkward guys that do. It sounds forced because the guys they're talking to don't have a generally good understanding of how to naturally talk to people for extended periods of time. Additionally, the most important point of the whole thing is not the theory, it's that you go out there and do it. The biggest barrier that lots of guys have is getting over that fear of rejection and accepting that you're gong to get rejected a lot, but that's perfectly ok.

At least that's what I got out of it. As a guy that doesn't look like Chris Hemsworth, girls just aren't going to actively pursue me. I'll have to make the first move, and necessarily a large percentage of them just won't be interested (and some of those won't work out). So if I get bogged down by every time that doesn't work, I'm just not going to end up finding someone I want to spend my life with.

It's the same reason why as a single guy, I aggressively pursued online dating. If you don't take the shotgun approach, you're really limiting your potential options, and if only 1 out of every 10 are even interested, and 1 out of those 10 are compatible with you, you're going to get rejected 99 times.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 06, 2016 07:34 PM (ef6pV)

432 405 Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:30 PM (0mRoj)

The only thing such women enjoy more than cuckolding their male is P*ss*olding a female.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 07:35 PM (SzZnW)

433 Gawd. I remember being an idiot young woman new in ATL.

A girlfriend and I would go to the Piedmont Park tennis courts to play.

One evening, a couple of mounted police officers showed up. I missed my own horse up in SC, and we were petting the horses, and one of the officers asked if I'd like to come by the stable some time to see the horses.

Idiot me was all "Yes! I'd love to!"

He handed me his "card" and when I looked at it later, it was his name with "mounted police stay in the saddle longer."

Total douchebag.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:35 PM (1ZOkK)

434 >>>As I recall, Julio Eglesias's secret to bedding scores of women ran something like. "Go for the 5. It will make the 10 wonder what the 5 has that she doesn't, and it will make the 1 think, 'Hmm, maybe I have a chance!'"<<<

Robert Johnson tried this shit back in 1938. Some say he was poisoned by strychnine, some say Red Devil lye.

Posted by: Fritz at September 06, 2016 07:35 PM (HVQlX)

435 What is PUA?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:35 PM (+eR2D)

436 424 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (Ozsfq)

statistically one of us will cremate the other....

hard to keep secrets with such intimacy

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 07:36 PM (SzZnW)

437 I'll never get that either. Nutty skank? Gold digger?
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 07:33 PM (ozZau)

Less chance of an STD....but nowadays who knows.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 06, 2016 07:36 PM (ej1L0)

438 Well the Yankees are already down 1-0

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:36 PM (Ozsfq)

439 posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:35 PM (1ZOkK)

I give him points for being funny.

Posted by: dagny at September 06, 2016 07:36 PM (brElc)

440 Is this possible? If so: How?

Posted by: zombie at September 06, 2016 07:06 PM (jBuUi)

Yes. Generically with Url Rewrite.

Depends on what OS and webserver how you implement it, but basically you would have a matching rule that says if you have www.qqq.com\(anything that isn't abc or def) replace that with www.qqq.com.

Posted by: blaster at September 06, 2016 07:36 PM (ACqhm)

441 >> Nope, you're not the only one. I'm realizing that my chances of landing a guy that I actually want to be around are approaching nil. Why does everyone assume the ladies automatically understand when they're being hit on? I can never tell if someone is interested or just being nice.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 06, 2016 07:20 PM (26lkV)

This has been my problem my entire life. I have trouble reading body language and visual cues. My current boyfriend, the reason it works so well is he is not shy about telling me what he is actually thinking, and I do him the courtesy of the same. We don't play games with each other.

I don't believe in settling, someone else mentoned that. But I DO believe you can find someone that is complementary to you and sometimes their strengths are hidden to those around you. I have friends and fam who think my guy's a good "for now" guy, don't see him as marriage material. But I've also had people come up to me and say they've seen a huge change in me since I've dated him, like a light has been turned on inside me. Which is true. I didn't know I could be so content and confident and happy just from dating someone. Even if on paper he does not look like a catch.

I also have friends that make fun of me for not sleeping with anyone till I'm married, and sticking to that. They do not understand how we are truly "dating" if there is not sex involved. Of course, these are the same friends who plan a date via Tinder with a guy, meet him for a 4 am booty call, then cry when he cancels the date the next day. Wish I was joking here. Would not trade what I have for what they have for the world.

Posted by: LizLem at September 06, 2016 07:36 PM (hvf9s)

442 Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer need to laid. Like panty-ripping pounded through the headboard for a week, laid.

But the batshit-crazy signal flashing in their eyes, combined with the powerful scent of nodickincrazimones squeezing out of their pores, insures that this will never happen.

It is a quandry.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 06, 2016 07:36 PM (zu88C)

443 Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (CFc5L)
I know someone that had her husband leave her for her dental assistant (both husband and wife are dentists). The guy married the mistress and all she has is a husband that still cheats on his wife. I don't like her. Every time he cheats on her she gets a nose job or some lipo.
You reap what you sow.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:37 PM (Q5Ymk)

444 statistically one of us will cremate the other....

Yeah that's fine, I just want my kids to make sure I am dead first

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:37 PM (Ozsfq)

445 true story: i was on my 2nd date with someone i was introduced to by an Army buddy (he w*rked with her mom), and we were at a brew pub near her home.

1st hint i should have run away was that she had recently lost her good paying j*b with Lays delivering products to stores, having gotten a DUI, and was living at home.

however, i hadn't thought that far ahead. what saved me was an Army girlfriend showing up at the same place and joining us.

the two of them got faced, and my date started bragging to my friend about how she would go to clubs, flirt with men, cadging drinks, etc, using a fake name, and bogus phone numbers...

during a restroom break, friend made sure i'd heard everything.

we then took her home, dropped her off at home, drunk as shit, then i went home with my friend.

i heard from my buddy a few days later, who said Mom daughter were both pissed off at me, and that there would be no more dates. i told him to tell Mom that she had raised a lying gold digger, and not to worry, because i had no intention of pursing a relationship.

he later told me that Mom had been horrified with the details, as she apparently thought i was the best thing to ever date her daughter...

at least now she knew why.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 06, 2016 07:37 PM (eWPDq)

446 433 Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:35 PM (1ZOkK)

Heh, my CO in the Cav had cards with "Cavalrymen can always come in the nick of time."

Ah the 90s

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 07:37 PM (SzZnW)

447
What is PUA?

Pick up artist

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 06, 2016 07:38 PM (lKyWE)

448 435 What is PUA?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:35 PM (+eR2D)

Pick Up Artist.

Basically, it's a formalized system of attracting women. Some guys who were very good with girls put thought into what they were doing and trying to figure out why what they were doing worked, and decided to share that knowledge (often for monetary benefit) with guys who weren't.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 06, 2016 07:38 PM (ef6pV)

449 I'll never get that either. Nutty skank? Gold digger?

Nutty skank

Posted by: dagny at September 06, 2016 07:38 PM (brElc)

450 444 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:37 PM (Ozsfq)

the bad news is I just have the one boy....

the good news is I like roller coasters and saunas so I am oddly at peace either way.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 07:38 PM (SzZnW)

451 435 What is PUA?
----------------

Pick-up artist.

Posted by: junior at September 06, 2016 07:38 PM (MSpR+)

452 402 You are completely full of shit. I think it's clear why anyone who spends an entire dinner with you has no interest in kissing you.

Heh.

Mad props to NDH.

I did some internet dating a couple of years ago. There is nothing wrong with being a gentleman. If she wants to kiss you after the first dinner there's a good chance of getting laid on the third date.

If she lets you finger bang her you get there on the second.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (mgbwf)

In what universe is going in for a kiss before a first dinner date considered not being a gentleman?!!

And as far as NDH's attempt at an insult, I don't give two shits about a relationship with another woman. I don't and have never sought validation, confirmation, and affirmation from women. I have children and I put them first. It was a moral conscious desision.

Just because I don't Olay and live by the rules of feminists and their white knights does not make me a terrible person.

I hate white knights.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:39 PM (0fbbp)

453 I give him points for being funny.

Posted by: dagny at September 06, 2016 07:36 PM (brElc)

And then there was the ATL cop who investigated my apartment break-in.

He asked if I'd like him to come keep me company during the night. (My bedroom ceiling was broken in from the attic of the old, historic home I was living in.)

Another total douchebag. I asked him to find my shit that had been stolen and leave me alone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:39 PM (1ZOkK)

454 fuck conference call started

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:39 PM (Ozsfq)

455 You know, through all these years that Lena Dunham has made a name for herself through her self-loathing and whining and complaining about her insecurities about her body, she could have started a program to get herself healthy and in shape.

There are people in all walks of life --- those who got fat from depression or from an injury or from lack of discipline or are just naturally big bodied --- who have made a life changing decision to get healthy and get in good physical shape. Men, women, young, old, etc.

Just look at shows like Biggest Loser or even Spartan Race. Just watched a Spartan Race episode yesterday, in fact, where a team called "The Comeback Kids" won the inaugural Spartan Race team competition. 2 women, 3 men, all "coming back" from extreme down situations in their lives. Depression, divorce, eating disorder, etc. They made life decisions to change their lives and be better people. They found that opportunity to strengthen themselves in Spartan Race.

Lena Dunham must not have any true friends, because if she did, they would provide her some tough love and tell her to stop her incessant self-loathing and whining and start changing her life for the better.

Another possibility is that she has been told this and she chooses to remain a self-centered, man-hating, whiney-ass scrunt.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 06, 2016 07:40 PM (7A4qQ)

456 This PUA stuff is silly

Posted by: ThunderB at September 06, 2016 07:40 PM (wpKFM)

457 "i saw a NYT article years ago where women kept joining book clubs and
wine tasting clubs and going rock climbing WITH THE EXPECTATION THERE'D
BE MEN THERE TO HIT ON THEM but men stupidly weren't going to these
things and were just going to bars."

NYT articles on the expectations of single women in Manhattan are always unintentionally hilarious. Neither the women they speak to, nor the NYT journos and editors, seem to realize this.

"All I want is a man who looks and acts just like Don Draper from _Mad Men_. It's that simple. Except, y'know, he has to be strictly monogamously faithful, be good with kids, want kids exactly when I want kids, and enjoy doing housework. Oh, and he should be a hedge fund or dot-com billionaire. That would be ideal."

Okay! Sure thing! We'll get right on that for you!

Guys meeting that spec must be growing on trees in these women's minds.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 06, 2016 07:40 PM (noWW6)

458 I'll never understand why some women would go after married men. For a quicky? To know they can do it? To try and snatch the man from his wife? And if they do take a man away from his wife, do they not think it won't happen to them in the future?
Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (CFc5L)

I've found myself in similar circumstances as a single guy. Unavailable women seem to be interested in me. Women I know have boyfriends or who are married are friendly & flirty with me, single women, not so much.

Posted by: josephistan at September 06, 2016 07:40 PM (7qAYi)

459 This PUA stuff is silly

Everything here is silly.

Posted by: Steve Buscemi leg in a wood chippa with a Patrick Duffy leg at September 06, 2016 07:41 PM (qUNWi)

460 I don't give two shits about a relationship with another woman. I don't and have never sought validation, confirmation, and affirmation from women.

Then why are you offering "advice"?

I was pointing out a counterargument that got me laid a lot.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 07:41 PM (mgbwf)

461 443 Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 07:29 PM (CFc5L)
I know someone that had her husband leave her for her dental assistant (both husband and wife are dentists). The guy married the mistress and all she has is a husband that still cheats on his wife. I don't like her. Every time he cheats on her she gets a nose job or some lipo.
You reap what you sow.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:37 PM (Q5Ymk)

That's what I'm thinking..living hell. They'd always be wondering and probably possessive, clingy, and snooping through everything. What a horrible way to live.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 07:41 PM (CFc5L)

462 Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:35 PM (1ZOkK)
I've heard every line possible. I was a cocktail waitress for a while when I was young. It made me jaded. And mean. No I won't dance with you, get away from me.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:42 PM (Q5Ymk)

463 A man who knows who he is and what he wants is very attractive

Posted by: ThunderB at September 06, 2016 07:43 PM (wpKFM)

464 462 Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:42 PM (Q5Ymk)

You might play 4 square with me...

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 07:43 PM (SzZnW)

465 Ah, pick up artist. Thank y'all.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at September 06, 2016 07:43 PM (+eR2D)

466 I know someone that had her husband leave her for her dental assistant (both husband and wife are dentists). The guy married the mistress and all she has is a husband that still cheats on his wife. I don't like her. Every time he cheats on her she gets a nose job or some lipo.
You reap what you sow.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:37 PM (Q5Ymk)

have you ever seen my dental assistant? That ain't happening

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:44 PM (Ozsfq)

467 There's a guy who writes a blog for men unhappy in their marriages, usually because there's no sex and the partners aren't talking or getting along. He applies PUA ideas to marriage, with the caveat that the objective isn't to control the spouse, but to reintroduce a more even relationship.

Basically his advice to men is that if their wife runs the marriage and there's no sex, it's because they're beta. Only by becoming more attractive- through gaining confidence, taking charge, and working out- will the woman gain respect for the man. He also points out this will make the man more attractive to women outside the marriage, and he counsels not to take that bait.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at September 06, 2016 07:44 PM (W2YA6)

468 I hear ya, and that stinks. If it makes you feel better, there are ladies out there who actually want to get know their potential mates before hopping in the sack. I can appreciate the sight of a good looking guy, but I tend to think people are more attractive after spending some time with them. I can't be the only one who thinks this way.
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 06, 2016 07:32 PM (26lkV)

I don't think you're the only one, but there are very few like you.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 07:45 PM (0mRoj)

469 "i saw a NYT article years ago where women kept joining book clubs and
wine tasting clubs and going rock climbing WITH THE EXPECTATION THERE'D
BE MEN THERE TO HIT ON THEM but men stupidly weren't going to these
things and were just going to bars."

---------------

1 - Book clubs? I love to read but would never join a book club. They don't read military history, the classics of Western Lit, or Star Wars books, just the latest Oprah pick POS.

2 - Wine tasting? Do I pee sitting down? Try beer or whisky, maybe.

3 - Why the hell would I go rock climbing? That's time I could be drinking or reading.

Posted by: josephistan at September 06, 2016 07:45 PM (7qAYi)

470 466 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:44 PM (Ozsfq)

"Dental Hygienist Lives Matter"

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 07:45 PM (SzZnW)

471 Ace, we might be talking about slightly different things.
If a stranger approaches me out of nowhere in a situation where we aren't socially obligated to be in the same place, yes, I pick up that signal. I'm not *that* bad.

I'm saying like - well, for example, I go to a lot of conventions. A girl I've never met is in our room. Maybe she's a friend of a friend, maybe she's here because we have free booze. But she didn't approach me "out of the blue." We talk. She laughs at my jokes. Maybe she even initiates physical contact. Is she flirting, or just being polite because of the circumstances?

Posted by: Broseidon on his newer magic glowing square at September 06, 2016 07:45 PM (y4g7i)

472 Nood

Posted by: ThunderB at September 06, 2016 07:45 PM (wpKFM)

473 Posted by: washrivergal at September 06, 2016 07:41 PM (CFc5L)
This mistress really got what was coming to her. She won't let her husband go to this certain bar that she calls the whore bar because the husband banged the cocktail waitress. I think it's funny. The ex-wife is my good friend and they humiliated her.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:46 PM (Q5Ymk)

474 Posted by: Broseidon on his newer magic glowing square at September 06, 2016 07:45 PM (y4g7i)
She's probably flirting.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:47 PM (Q5Ymk)

475 >>.From my own perspective, I've found that "I-really-don't-care" works much better then actually caring if my "pick up" attempt is working. And its not that I'm being a jerk when I "don't care".

right, yes. the thing is, women don't want to be asked out by a boy. they want to be asked out by a man. they don't want to get that vibe that this person will be CRUSHED if they say no. they don't want to feel that pressure (because they don't want to hurt someone's feelings -- but they're already in a bad sitch, thinking "I don't want to hurt this guy.")

I think what attracts women is the off-handed, "I will not be hurt if you say no" quality, because then they don't feel any pressure to say yes or no, which in turn, makes it more likely they'll say yes.

That's why it's my Untested Theory that expressing casual but direct (no mincing around, not being ambiguous about whether this is a Date or Just Friends) interest will work just as well as anything else and probably better than 90% of other approaches.

A woman doesn't want to feel like your heart is ready to break at first meeting. Interested but not desperate, I think, is the key.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:48 PM (dciA+)

476 412 Once you take sex and relationships off the table,
life becomes simplified and less lonely, especially when you have
children already.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:26 PM (0fbbp)

oh, it does does it

Posted by: runner at September 06, 2016 07:31 PM (c6/9Q

If you have children it does.

The game is rigged against men in this country full of bullshit double standards.

Why play a game that is rigged against you if you are a man?

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:48 PM (0fbbp)

477 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2016 07:44 PM (Ozsfq)
The wife was way hotter. This one is short and not attractive at all. I may be slightly biased.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:48 PM (Q5Ymk)

478 The most attractive men in the world, to me, are highly intelligent, and have great senses of humor.

My husband was attractive, but I'd dated a couple of male models and an actor, so....but he was extremely intelligent and made me laugh.

That overrode the handsome sexiness of the other men I'd dated.

Also, a good and generous soul.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:48 PM (1ZOkK)

479 Drudge's headline link is to GatewayPundit with a post about Hillary's Mystery Assistant: Apparently the heavy-set black man who may be a medical attendant was on hand with her coughing fit on the plane.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 06, 2016 07:49 PM (+wjl1)

480 That was an awful long post that could have been condensed to "Who gives a damn about Lena "marshmellow" dunham"?

Posted by: TFG at September 06, 2016 07:49 PM (DN9jO)

481 Maybe Odell looked at her and thought "Hey, that's that crazy mind reading c**t Lena Dunham. BEST STAY AWAY.".

Posted by: rat at tat at at September 06, 2016 07:49 PM (EdXI9)

482 Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:48 PM (dciA+)
Women like strength, not weakness nor desperation.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:49 PM (Q5Ymk)

483 >>>471 Ace, we might be talking about slightly different things.
If a stranger approaches me out of nowhere in a situation where we aren't socially obligated to be in the same place, yes, I pick up that signal. I'm not *that* bad.

I'm saying like - well, for example, I go to a lot of conventions. A girl I've never met is in our room. Maybe she's a friend of a friend, maybe she's here because we have free booze. But she didn't approach me "out of the blue." We talk. She laughs at my jokes. Maybe she even initiates physical contact. Is she flirting, or just being polite because of the circumstances?

okay right you can't tell there. so, whatever, if you like her, just casually (but directly) ask her out.

this is zen like, but: It's not awkward if you decide it won't be awkward.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:49 PM (dciA+)

484 I hate white knights.
---
racist

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 06, 2016 07:50 PM (eWPDq)

485 >>> You know, through all these years that Lena Dunham has made a name for herself through her self-loathing and whining and complaining about her insecurities about her body, she could have started a program to get herself healthy and in shape.

You know, she actually did that? Started going to a gym with a trainer and doing some stuff, of course posted pics of it because her entire life must be recorded and posted online.Talked about her Gainz.

And her feminist fams RIPPED HER APART for body shaming them by going to the gym. Because somehow trying to improve her strength/body made THEM feel bad about themselves. And this could not be tolerated.

This third wave feminism crap where we all turn into Puritanical scolds crying witch, it needs to die a horrid gruesome death, be buried in the ash heap of history, and never spoken of again.

Posted by: LizLem at September 06, 2016 07:50 PM (hvf9s)

486 ...which is where I think the PUA guys have an insight, which is: Just ask a lot of women out. Keep your emotional investment in any particular ask low so the woman feels no pressure, does not feel awkward, and feels like she's dealing with a man who just routinely asks women out and it's no big thing either way.

i think guys feel a lot of Ego is riding on each particular bet so they sweat it. But if you make lots of smaller bets, you care less about each individual bet, so you're more confident (or at least less concerned) about each bet, which then alters the odds to make each bet likely to pay out.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:52 PM (dciA+)

487 Funny that this topic came up.

I had a terrible day at work and didn't feel like going home right away. I went to a local park and sat on a bench and gazed miserably at the duck pond. A middle aged black man sitting on the next bench struck up a conversation with me.

We talked. He's a chef at a local hotel, a few weeks away from turning 54 (which means he's a little younger than me) Not bad looking, but seems quite shy - and rather sweet. We talked about our families, where we would like to go on vacation and about being a chef. I liked him.

He asked if I was single. I hesitated and then said "Yes." He gave me his number when I got up and said he'd like to take me to dinner. My initial liking of the dude is at war with the Inner Snob Bitch that says "Donna, he's got a culinary arts degree from MATC. You can do better..." Well, if I could I would, wouldn't I? The Inner Bitch immediately came up with all sorts of reasons why I shouldn't give this dude a ring, including "You don't know his politics. He's clearly not ghetto, but he's black so there is a 90% chance the guy will vote for Hillary." I told my Inner Bitch, who has screwed me over so many times in the past, to STFU.

Shit, why not give the man a chance? My greatest regret in life is that I passed over good men in favor of good-looking, worthless shits. I'm lonely. So is he. Why not go to dinner?

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. whitely brandishing ampersands&&&&&so there at September 06, 2016 07:53 PM (P8951)

488 Book clubs? I love to read but would never join a book club. They don't read military history, the classics of Western Lit, or Star Wars books, just the latest Oprah pick POS.

That's what I was thinking. There's been sort of a vicious cycle in publishing over the last few decades - I don't remember the exact number, but women buy something like 90% of mass market books.

Women always bought most of the books, but in an effort to capture the largest market segment publishers started producing fewer books aimed at men. And then when men stopped buying books (mostly made for women), publishers abandoned them almost entirely.

Posted by: Ace's liver at September 06, 2016 07:53 PM (Xuv2G)

489 I've heard every line possible. I was a cocktail waitress for a while when I was young. It made me jaded. And mean. No I won't dance with you, get away from me.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:42 PM (Q5Ymk)

Plus they'll try to abuse your position as an employee who needs to be nice to the customers.

it only happened to me once as a salesgirl decades ago, and I hope those two assholes died in a fire sometime between then and now.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 07:54 PM (ozZau)

490 487 Posted by: DonnaV. whitely brandishing
ampersandsso there at September 06, 2016 07:53
PM (P8951)

Do what you will, nobody deserves being alone.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 07:54 PM (SzZnW)

491 Oh, that's a sweet story, Donna.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 07:54 PM (mgbwf)

492 a genius i heard of, but never met, used to just go around asking women if they went to X book club, then he'd give them the information.

He had created the book club exclusively to meet women, and only stocked the things with a couple of dudes less attractive than himself to make it "look good."

in fact he'd ask women if they were part of this book club before it even existed.

Genius.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:55 PM (dciA+)

493 Shit, why not give the man a chance? My greatest regret in life is that I passed over good men in favor of good-looking, worthless shits. I'm lonely. So is he. Why not go to dinner?
Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. whitely brandishing ampersands&&&&&so there at September 06, 2016 07:53 PM (P8951)

Hurry! You've got 90ish days to get him a ticket to the Trump Train!

Kidding, but seriously, what do you have to lose?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 06, 2016 07:56 PM (ef6pV)

494 Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. whitely brandishing ampersands&&&&&so there at September 06, 2016 07:53 PM (P8951)
You may be surprised. He may be perfect for you. Or not but you'll never know if you don't try.
True beauty is on the inside. I know super hot dudes that aren't attractive at all once I got to know them and also maybe not so perfect looking guys that are really nice and will make someone a perfect mate.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 07:56 PM (Q5Ymk)

495 Posted by: DonnaV. whitely brandishing
ampersandsso there at September 06, 2016 07:53
PM (P8951)

Do it! At the very least, you'll get out of the house and have a conversation with someone that you already seem to get along with. And, even if the dating thing doesn't work out, it might be nice to make a friend.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at September 06, 2016 07:57 PM (26lkV)

496 You know, she actually did that? Started going to a gym with a trainer and doing some stuff, of course posted pics of it because her entire life must be recorded and posted online.Talked about her Gainz.

And her feminist fams RIPPED HER APART for body shaming them by going to the gym. Because somehow trying to improve her strength/body made THEM feel bad about themselves. And this could not be tolerated.

Posted by: LizLem at September 06, 2016 07:50 PM

Huh, no kidding? Did not know that. Granted, I don't make a point of keeping up with the crazy that is Lena Dunham.

But anyway, wow. What is a shame, knowing that now, is that Dunham had a great chance to change the conversation and culture of modern feminism with her example of improving herself. But she apparently did not, because she's not a strong enough person.

Geez, who knew that feminists were against being healthy. I guess they don't like shows like Biggest Loser and Spartan Race and American Ninja Warrior where there are women who are striving to improve their lives through healthy living.

You know, if Dunham wasn't such a long-time man-hating, crazy scrunt, I might actually feel sorry for her not having the strength to ignore her feminazi "fans" who bullied her into not improving herself.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 06, 2016 07:58 PM (7A4qQ)

497 Good news for everyone. Once the ONT goes up the front page will be back to loading normally, because the ONT with all the youtube embeds will be off the main page.

Well unless Mis Hum is doing the ONT again tonight and puts in 30 youtube videos again.

Posted by: buzzion at September 06, 2016 07:58 PM (z/Ubi)

498 I went to a wine tasting for the first time recently.

They pulled out a dozen wines and I was getting pretty blotto.

Then I was talking with another guest as she sampled and spit out some wine. Subtly asking her about it I figured out I wasn't supposed to be drinking a full glass of each bottle.

Silly me...I thought you were supposed to drink the stuff. Oh, I also learned pants are generally NOT optional at a wine tasting. I mean what the hell?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 06, 2016 07:59 PM (E7/zB)

499 492 a genius i heard of, but never met, used to just go around asking women if they went to X book club, then he'd give them the information.

He had created the book club exclusively to meet women, and only stocked the things with a couple of dudes less attractive than himself to make it "look good."

in fact he'd ask women if they were part of this book club before it even existed.

Genius.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2016 07:55 PM (dciA+)

Yeah... that's over the line for me, ethically speaking. Sure, it "works" in that you might hook up with some girls that way, but maybe I'm old-fashioned romantic enough to think that the person I want to spend my life with is going to like me for me (the real me, that plays Magic:The Gathering on weekends and can say every line of Monty Python and the Holy Grail from memory), not for some arbitrary facade I created to get pussy.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 06, 2016 07:59 PM (ef6pV)

500 Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 07:54 PM (ozZau)
I'd 86 them and pull their drink out of their hand. I was tough. I used to say you know what, I've been bringing you drinks all night and you keep putting your hand out for the change. I'm keeping the change this round and walk away.
I got away with it because I was young and blonde.
I don't think Lena Dunham would have gotten away with it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 08:00 PM (Q5Ymk)

501 The game is rigged against men in this country full of bullshit double standards.

Why play a game that is rigged against you if you are a man?
Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:48 PM (0fbbp)

It is in many ways. But 'ettes here have been raped or beaten by men and still eventually found room in our hearts to love men anyway. Why can't you do that?

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 08:00 PM (ozZau)

502 478 The most attractive men in the world, to me, are highly intelligent, and have great senses of humor.

My husband was attractive, but I'd dated a couple of male models and an actor, so....but he was extremely intelligent and made me laugh.

That overrode the handsome sexiness of the other men I'd dated.

Also, a good and generous soul.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 06, 2016 07:48 PM (1ZOkK)

At the risk of sounding immodest, I know I'm smart, funny & sweeter than Jewish wine, but I can't convince anyone else of that. That's where I need the help big time.

Posted by: josephistan at September 06, 2016 08:00 PM (7qAYi)

503 Posted by: 18-1 at September 06, 2016 07:59 PM (E7/zB)
That's funny.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 06, 2016 08:01 PM (Q5Ymk)

504
Don't give a shit for ANY feminist in any permutation. They are too trivial.

I've had the pleasure of my soul being captured by my ginger for 50 years now,and consider that I very much got the better of the deal.

And there's not a feminist cell in her body.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 06, 2016 08:02 PM (X35Yt)

505 Well unless Mis Hum is doing the ONT again tonight and puts in 30 youtube videos again.

Posted by: buzzion at September 06, 2016 07:58 PM (z/Ubi)

yeah, NO!

Posted by: runner at September 06, 2016 08:05 PM (c6/9Q)

506 >>> Shit, why not give the man a chance? My greatest regret in life is that I passed over good men in favor of good-looking, worthless shits. I'm lonely. So is he. Why not go to dinner?
Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. whitely brandishing ampersands&&&&&so there at September 06, 2016 07:53 PM (P8951)

That sounds lovely Donna, I hope you go out with him! Like you said, why not?

My guy is pure blue collar, never got a college degree. Divorce and depression post-divorce for many years kept him from being the success he had planned to be. It feels shameful to say, but that and our educational backgrounds kept me from admitting I was falling for him for a long time. I have friends with husbands with college degrees and they get to do all sorts of fun things. I assumed if I married that was the life I'd have. But he is kind, intelligent, same interests, same politics, and loves making me happy. On paper it's an odd match but I know I'm lucky.

I hope it doesn't sound like I'm bragging, I just...I've been without this kind of happiness for a long time. The future is always uncertain, trying to not look over my shoulder too much or wait for a shoe to drop, and just enjoy it while I have it.

Posted by: LizLem at September 06, 2016 08:07 PM (hvf9s)

507 460 I don't give two shits about a relationship with another woman. I don't and have never sought validation, confirmation, and affirmation from women.

Then why are you offering "advice"?

I was pointing out a counterargument that got me laid a lot.
Posted by: Bandersnatch iat September 06, 2016 07:41 PM (mgbwf)

Because before marriage, children, and suffering a neurological injury years ago I had a lot of success. I failed even more. But I tried all the time. The more attempts you have the more success one will have and the more failures as well.

And I learned before a first date that would be dinner, it was wise to make a move for a kiss. It sets the tone for the date without actually asking if this is a friendly date or a sexual relationship date. Plus, women know within 10 seconds if the guy is a sexual partner whom they desire.

And I will say again it is a lie that men should seek affirmation, validation, and confirmation from a woman. That is what fathers and make mentors are for.

If you are a man and wish to seek affirmation, validation, and confirmation from a woman and also take her out to dinners without knowing if there is any sexual attraction there at all with that being the goal at the end, then by all means do it if that make a you happy and leads to fullfilling relationships that are two way streets.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 08:07 PM (0fbbp)

508 Oh on a related note, I saw a feminist complaining about a "nice guy" who opined that by being a "nice guy" he was owed a relationship.

Said feminist, noted, correctly, that on one individual owes you anything for being a fundamentally good person.

However, this obscured a more important point.

While no one individual owes a "nice guy" or "nice girl" a relationship, if as a society we no longer find the virtues attractive in potential mates we have destroyed our society - and we are clearly at that point by an large.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 06, 2016 08:08 PM (E7/zB)

509
None of this would have happened if she had sat next to the German Sheperd.

When she bent over
Rover drove her
And now she's got
Pups of her own

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 06, 2016 08:09 PM (d6Zcu)

510 252 Is Lena Dunham so completely self-centered that she actually believes she is an attractive woman? Does she truly think men should fall at her feet because ugly critics have heaped so much praise upon her?

Why is this woman even famous?

***

No. She admits she isn't going to win any beauty contests, however; What the hell does that do with anyone being attracted to her or not?!!

This is about requiring all men to submit to any woman.

Any. Woman.

Fuck her.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 06, 2016 06:57 PM (SEXy3)

---

Exactomundo.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at September 06, 2016 08:09 PM (rlfds)

511 "in fact he'd ask women if they were part of this book club before it even existed.

Genius."

probably urban legend - be in jail by now for false advertising, solicitation and a host of other crimes

Posted by: runner at September 06, 2016 08:10 PM (c6/9Q)

512 No ace, I know that - you have to guess fastball and if you're wrong, you whiff big time. I'd just prefer a few hanging curveballs, but hey, life isn't that easy.

Posted by: Broseidon on his newer magic glowing square at September 06, 2016 08:10 PM (y4g7i)

513 And yes, she looks like a thumb that's been dinged by a hammer one too many times.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at September 06, 2016 08:11 PM (rlfds)

514 When I began to date again after my first wife died, I had a list of ten requirements for any woman I was going to spend time with. Nine of those ten requirements were "must not be crazy ". I am now married to a wonderful woman who met my requirements and I must say that marriage is enormously better when you don't have to walk on eggshells waiting for the next crazy outburst.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at September 06, 2016 08:11 PM (sgDgQ)

515 More like a big toe.

With corns and bunions.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at September 06, 2016 08:12 PM (rlfds)

516 I just...I've been without this kind of happiness for a long time. The future is always uncertain, trying to not look over my shoulder too much or wait for a shoe to drop, and just enjoy it while I have it.
Posted by: LizLem at September 06, 2016 08:07 PM (hvf9s)

I'm glad for you!

I liked this guy when he talked about how much he loves to fish and how he enjoys coming down to the pond on early summer mornings and fishing while watching the sun rise.

I don't even like to fish! But my dad did, and spoke about it in the same way.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. whitely brandishing ampersands&&&&&so there at September 06, 2016 08:15 PM (P8951)

517 514 When I began to date again after my first wife died, I had a list of ten requirements for any woman I was going to spend time with. Nine of those ten requirements were "must not be crazy ". I am now married to a wonderful woman who met my requirements and I must say that marriage is enormously better when you don't have to walk on eggshells waiting for the next crazy outburst.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at September 06, 2016 08:11 PM (sgDgQ)

Must be nice, dude. Congrats on that. If I set one toe out of line, the most pleasant thing I'd get was the cold-shoulder freeze out for a day or two. Screaming freakouts were a not infrequent consequence.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 08:16 PM (0mRoj)

518 As Frank Zappa once sang

What's the ugliest part of your body?

Some say your nose.

Some say your toes.

But I think it's your mind.

Zappa could have written that for Lena Dunham.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at September 06, 2016 08:17 PM (sgDgQ)

519 515 More like a big toe.

With corns and bunions.
Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at September 06, 2016 08:12 PM (rlfds)

Ewwww!

Posted by: Insomniac at September 06, 2016 08:18 PM (0mRoj)

520 Ace -- "You can create whatever ethical principles you want, but they must apply to all people."

Here is the issue with this line of thinking as applied to feminists: THEY DON'T CARE.
One day they don't want to be objectified, the next they're screaming that we don't pay enough attention to them.

Hell, I wouldn't even call them "feminists", I'd call them FEMALES!

The women and girls in my family are CRAZY. Now, when I say crazy, I'm talking that they are totally inconsistent in moods, likes and dislikes. One minute, my 15 year old is the love of my life, the next, her head might be spinning like the exorcist! Wife, same thing. The only sane girl in my house is my 9 year old who is my pal, for now.

Point is, Lena Dunham is not a feminist. She's a woman, and that makes her CRAZY!

Posted by: Dansgirls at September 06, 2016 08:20 PM (xBbs+)

521 Nine of those ten requirements were "must not be crazy ". I am now married to a wonderful woman who met my requirements and I must say that marriage is enormously better when you don't have to walk on eggshells waiting for the next crazy outburst.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at September 06, 2016 08:11 PM (sgDgQ)

Reason enough right there, but that shit also gets passed on genetically. One wing of my family is "difficult", and it's because my uncle married into a very wealthy family with mental issues. My cousins are very sweet but they have the attention spans and emotional control of baby ferrets.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 08:22 PM (ozZau)

522 501 The game is rigged against men in this country full of bullshit double standards.

Why play a game that is rigged against you if you are a man?
Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 07:48 PM (0fbbp)

It is in many ways. But 'ettes here have been raped or beaten by men and still eventually found room in our hearts to love men anyway. Why can't you do that?
Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 08:00 PM (

Because I have children. I believe in honoring their mother no matter what and I even tell them that I love her.

The only relationship I desire is that with our Creator and that with my children. They are under 5. I don't want to waste energy, resources, time, emotions, or anything else seeking a relationship with a woman right now.

10 years or more in the future maybe. But definately not right now. It also would not be fair to the woman that I was in a relationship with now. She would deserve more than I can offer right now and in the forseeable future.

But that is great news and I'm happy for anybody who finds a great loving partner especially after suffering through abuse of any kind to learn to trust again. People deserve to be happy and deserve to be loved by others.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 08:25 PM (0fbbp)

523 Ace, please write a post about male feminists, who are the reason why feminism exists today.

That way we can focus on the male side of the feminist equation and what it has wrought on Western Civilization.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 08:29 PM (0fbbp)

524 523 Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 08:29 PM (0fbbp)

*I* am a male feminist in the 60s-70s sense.

I am also a racial egalitarian by the definition in play when I was a kid.

The problem is at some point "male feminism" turned so self-loathing emo that Alan fucking Alda looks like rambo to these young punks.

If the best man for a job is a woman hire her, if the best man is black hire him/her....

don't tell me it is ok people die in fires because girlz can't be assed to fireman's carry a 90 pound dummy let alone a 220 pound person.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2016 08:32 PM (SzZnW)

525 I liked this guy when he talked about how much he loves to fish and how he enjoys coming down to the pond on early summer mornings and fishing while watching the sun rise.

I like this guy more now!

Non-fisherfolk don't understand us, but watching the sun rise and being where fish are are more important than catching fish.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 08:32 PM (mgbwf)

526 Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 06, 2016 08:25 PM (0fbbp)

Thanks.

i admire you for prioritizing your small children. They're what counts right now. More divorced parents should be like you.

I mentioned my uncle upthread who married into the family with mental issues. He and his wife were good people in many ways, but shitty parents, and their kids, my cousins, used to come to my parents to talk. They still do.

Your kids will always appreciate you being there for them.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 06, 2016 08:36 PM (ozZau)

527 Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 06, 2016 08:32 PM (mgbwf)

I liked it because it's clearly not a line, not something a guy who is trying to impress a woman would say, but what he really loves to do.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. whitely brandishing ampersands&&&&&so there at September 06, 2016 08:41 PM (P8951)

528 Yeah... that's over the line for me, ethically speaking. Sure, it "works" in that you might hook up with some girls that way, but maybe I'm old-fashioned romantic enough to think that the person I want to spend my life with is going to like me for me (the real me, that plays Magic:The Gathering on weekends and can say every line of Monty Python and the Holy Grail from memory), not for some arbitrary facade I created to get pussy.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 06, 2016 07:59 PM (ef6pV)

++++

In the book club scenario he described, he wasn't putting out a facade. He created a situation where there would be lots of women and little to no male competition. He could then behave normally and see if he could get a woman without the flashier competitors acing him out.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 06, 2016 08:46 PM (R+30W)

529 I think you need to write a book, Ace.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 06, 2016 09:20 PM (EnGQE)

530 What movie is this?

Posted by: oddknot still frets at September 06, 2016 09:31 PM (g1MTt)

531 This sort of reminds of the one time I ever scolded an adult for her lifestyle choices. She loved clubbing, and she was a good-looking gal, so she got frequent offers from men to buy her drinks.

She was bragging one day about how a guy offered her a drink the night before, she accepted, and then she just turned her back on him once she'd received her drink, refusing to talk to him. He got mad, and she explained to him, "Hey, I have a man at home."

I shook my head and said, "That's not cool. He had good reason to be mad. If you accept an offer of a drink from a man at a club, you are obligated to talk to him.

"You don't have to go out with him. You don't have to give him your number. But you do have to chat with him and be friendly, at least briefly.

"It's a social contract, see? You like having men buy you drinks, right? Well, if more women were to ignore their side of that contract, and it no longer entitled men to a little face-time, guess what? Men would just stop buying women drinks."

She was normally very feisty and outspoken, but she didn't have much of a response to that. I hope I got through to her.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at September 06, 2016 09:35 PM (0OG8D)

532 Oh! And then there's that one dude in Denver who tried to sue a bar for sex discrimination for having a "Ladies' Night" but not a "Men's Night".

Talk about missing the point! The entire purpose of Ladies' Night is to benefit men, by getting more women out there where you can talk to them.

What a dipshit!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at September 06, 2016 09:37 PM (0OG8D)

533 Seriously, read her groveling apology. She is just a few short years away from a complete psychotic break.
http://tinyurl.com/h37nekn
Posted by: JackStraw at September 06, 2016 06:14 PM

Well I guess it is an apology, she found that an unattractive idiotic white women is outranked by a black male by the SJW internet chatter.

But read it carefully, it's a non-apology, she just said that stuff cause she just isn't the beauty standard society expects and it hurts her wittle brain.

What a dumbass.

Posted by: Farmer at September 06, 2016 09:39 PM (o/90i)

534 Finally, The Lena has returned to AoSHQ!
Can an ONT Lena retrospective be far behind?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 06, 2016 06:14 PM

Oh no, Lord spare us. Don't give any of the COBs any ideas.

Posted by: Farmer at September 06, 2016 09:47 PM (o/90i)

535 Why does everyone assume the ladies automatically understand when they're being hit on?

I don't think they assume that.

I can never tell if someone is interested or just being nice.

You're not alone in that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 06, 2016 09:54 PM (EnGQE)

536 #535: Speaking as a man, I have exactly the same problem, Fen.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at September 06, 2016 10:03 PM (0OG8D)

537
Never really did the bar or club scene. Both Mrs. Krebs I met through work.

The first hired into the company about three weeks after me. Five years younger than me and got engaged to some putz about three months later. However, he was somewhere five hundred miles away and I lived in the next apartment block. I won. We seemed compatible enough but eight years later, not so much. Separated and divorced at twelve years; no kids. She has since remarried.

The second worked with me on an IT project. Ginger, previously married, two kids and lots of mutual respect and common interests. Married now for nineteen years and still going strong.

Both women were practical feminists, interested in accomplishing things on their own and not looking for something simply because they had a vagina. No sense of entitlement. No respect for others of their sex who possesed such a sense (more like a sense of disgust for such women, actually). The chasm between them and protoplasmic lumps like Dunham could neither be wider nor deeper. I wouldn't have it any other way, nor would I ever give Dunham or her ilk the time of day. Eff 'em and best of luck selecting and grooming the cat that'll eat their faces when they pass on, lonely and alone.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 06, 2016 10:05 PM (fOgSR)

538 Continued from #536: Er, by which I mean, it's hard for me to tell whether a woman is interested in me or just being nice. I don't particularly give a shit if some dude is interested in me.

Most women I talk to are sort of obligated by their jobs to be nice to me, which makes it even harder. I just sort of presume that's all it is.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at September 06, 2016 10:15 PM (0OG8D)

539

"So which is it? Do people -- people, whether men or women -- owe someone
who is less attractive but trying, gamely, to chat them up some polite
responses?

Or do they not owe them this?"
Simple answer... far too simple for SJW-types, in fact... Nobody owes anything to a stranger. If you want to talk to someone who seems to have a bubble of solitude going, you don't actually owe it to that person to leave him/her alone.
That loner also doesn't owe you anything, though, and is just as free to rebuff your efforts at conversation as you are to make that attempt.
That's freedom, bitch!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at September 06, 2016 10:28 PM (0OG8D)

540 The average American female under the age of thirty has only a vaguely distant relationship with objective reality.

Thus, subjective frame of reference does work.

Posted by: Simplemind at September 06, 2016 11:03 PM (1/dEZ)

541 Too many comments to read here and don't expect anyone to read mine. But, wanted to thank Ace for getting me to consider something I've not considered before. In 21 years of marriage, I've rejected my husband maybe 6 times. It happens so infrequently I get angry that he gets angry--geez I'm not like the wife that always has a headache, so if I'm rejecting you there's a real reason. I have a respectable track record, after all. I've never considered, although he's hinted, it's tough to be the one expected to initiate everything. It must be. Never thought too much about it. Will from now on.

Posted by: Katiedid at September 06, 2016 11:03 PM (ZW0ZM)

542 I remember one time on a bus, though, when I sort of felt obligated to my fellow passengers.

A fairly belligerent drunk got on, and he sat right right next to me while I was just trying trying to read a book (that book was Golden Isis, from our very own Anna Puma, by the way).

I decided that I was going to make some friendly chit-chat with him and treat him like a regular guy who didn't scare me, even though he was kind of scary, because if I didn't he might either really go berserk and start throwing punches, or turn his attention to someone else who wouldn't know how to handle him.

For the first several minutes of his ride, he was sort of alternating between chatting with me and just freaking out, cussing up a storm and hitting his head repeatedly on the handrail between us and stuff like that. I just endured those moments quietly, and acted like they hadn't even happened when he then got back to chatting with me. At one point he offered me a fist-bump, which I reciprocated, ignoring the scabby knuckles that told me this dude gets in a lot of fights.

He eventually did calm down, and just settled into chatting with me. After he got off the bus, a gorgeous lady sitting nearby was just beaming at me. She told me, "Wow, you are so nice!"

See, Fenelon? I couldn't tell if this gal was interested in me. I think she knew what I was doing, quietly exerting a calming influence on this guy and keeping him from potentially menacing other passengers (such as herself). And she seemed impressed by it. But did she want me to ask her out? I couldn't tell, so I responded by looking down at my feet and mumbling something about it being "no big deal".

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at September 06, 2016 11:26 PM (0OG8D)

543 Yep, that's me... I never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at September 07, 2016 12:20 AM (0OG8D)

544 Man, that was a whole lot of words just to come to the point that Dunham is just a dumb c**t. And I mean that seriously. Granted that most women find the term "dumb cunt" deeply offensive, but that does not mean in extreme cases such as Dunham's, that it is not a perfect description, because it is. She has worked for it, strove for it and now has deserved it.

Posted by: Thresherman at September 07, 2016 01:16 AM (fjnRw)

545 American woman, get away from me...

Posted by: bob at September 07, 2016 01:47 AM (xegwc)

546 #544: Well, she has sort of defined herself as nothing more than an extension of her genitalia, so I don't think it's entirely out of bounds to describe her like that, Thresher.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at September 07, 2016 02:04 AM (0OG8D)

547 Ladies: A decent man will have you become the object of his desire, which means he wants to bang you, put you on a pedestal, and then if you're not too annoying, keep you in his life, and maybe make you and one of his life's main purposes. He can't do without you. He will be proud of you.

Lena Dunham's 3rd wave feminism is like an ideological chastity belt slipped over her doughy rolls and mildly cultivated mind.

Look at me, no don't look at me. Look at me, no don't look at me....

She dresses like a 14 yet old boy marshmallow because she can't allow herself to grow up: This means becoming the object of a man's desire, one who treats her with respect and love, banging, having babies and working towards her own goals besides.

What does she have to show for becoming a 3rd wave feminist art nun martyr?

'Girls,' Money, some influence, a constant search for fame and relevance, work as a political shill, a constant need to shove her flapjack marshmallow titties in your face and blame you for it.

In short: A childish mind with less and less childlike wonder necessary for decent art, a limiting career and a bitter heart.

Pretty soon she'll be looking like an old lesbo comic or aging leather punk chick with some heroin addict boyfriend at a gallery opening...

This is why you don't raise your kids in SoHo art lofts

Posted by: Randy Bromide at September 07, 2016 07:46 AM (TCAG4)

548 Or send them to Oberlin...

Posted by: Randy Bromide at September 07, 2016 07:48 AM (TCAG4)

549 If the pudding rapist and the wife of a rapist would both drop dead - think of the fresh air!

Posted by: ethos at September 07, 2016 09:36 AM (t9c06)

550 he didn't miss it. Men think about sex all the time and if he was sexually interested he wouldn't need a signal.
---------------

Incorrect. In my younger days, I was the KING of missing signals. I've had this conversation more than once:

Me: You know, I kind of had a little crush on you back in the day.

Her: Why didn't you say something?

Me: I didn't think you were interested.

Her: Dude, I flirted with you CONSTANTLY.

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