Sunday Morning Book Thread 08-07-2016: Infidels [OregonMuse]

"Wow! Look At This Impressive CGI-Rendered Library!"

Good morning to all of you morons and moronettes and bartenders everywhere and all the ships at sea. Welcome to AoSHQ's stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, where men are men, all the 'ettes are lovely, safe spaces are for bacon, beer, and ammo, and it's too hot for snowflakes. And unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even these pants.

"Light a campfire and everyone's a storyteller."
--John Geddes

Know Your Enemy

Thanks to Acting President Obama's feckless, bumbling, "leading from behind" foreign policy, ISIS has become established enough so that it is able to produce a slick, glossy monthly magazine *in English* called 'Dabiq', named after the Syrian city that, according to Islamic eschatology, will be the site of the final battle between Christian and Muslim armies.

Of course, all of you morons know about this publication already, because ace covered it on Tuesday. But since a magazine is just a shorter book, that's all the excuse I need to spend a bit of time of it.

Now, I'm sure after reading ace's piece, many of you no doubt found yourself thinking "Wow, I never knew ISIS had its own glossy magazine. Where might I be able to find this publication on the internets?"

Good question. Supposedly, 'Dabiq' magazine can be accessed via the so-called deep web, but for those of us who do not want to drive around looking for stuff in bad neighborhoods, The Clarion Project has made all 15 issues available from this page. Of particular interest is their latest issue, called "Breaking the Cross", which is a bit of a departure, as it targeted at

...discrediting Christianity and Western secularism. Unlike previous issues which have primarily been directed at Muslim majority societies, this issue is full of propaganda aimed at converting non-Muslims to Islam.

And

Sections include "Why we hate you and fight you" along with a conversion story "Why I came to Islam" from a former Christian woman from Finland. The main feature "Breaking the Cross" is an extended rebuttal of Christian and Jewish theology which sets forth the arguments to believe in Islam.

The article "Why We Hate You & Why We Fight You" is interesting. To those who are wont to believe that Islam is a religion of peace, it says

The point is, people know that it’s foolish, but they keep repeating it regardless because they’re afraid of the consequences of deviating from the script.

What's embarrassing about this is that it's more truthful than anything I've ever heard the Obama admninistration say on the subject of terrorism. ISIS does admit, however, that not everyone buys into this malarkey:

There are exceptions among the disbelievers, no doubt, people who will unabashedly declare that jihad and the laws of the Shari’ah – as well as everything else deemed taboo by the Islam-is-a-peaceful-religion crowd – are in fact completely Islamic, but they tend to be people with far less credibility who are painted as a social fringe, so their voices are dismissed and a large segment of the ignorant masses continues believing the false narrative.

Which pretty much nails it.

The article concludes with:

So you can continue to believe that those “despicable terrorists” hate you because of your lattes and your Timberlands, and continue spending ridiculous amounts of money to try to prevail in an unwinnable war, or you can accept reality and recognize that we will never stop hating you until you embrace Islam, and will never stop fighting you until you’re ready to leave the swamp of warfare and terrorism through the exits we provide, the very exits put forth by our Lord for the People of the Scripture: Islam, jizyah, or – as a last means of fleeting respite – a temporary truce.

So much for those 'COEXIST' bumper stickers. Our choices are, according to ISIS: conversion to Islam, dhimmitude under shari'ah law, or a temporary pause before one or the other. Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer couldn't have said it better.

There's quite a lot of dense-packed theology and history in this issue, again, aimed at a Christian audience. Glancing through the pages, it appears to be a lot of cherry-picking of verses, out of context quoting, you know, the usual juvenile horsesh*t.

On page 80, there is a photo of what looks to be an actual beheading. Pretty sickening. I suppose it could be done with horror movie special effects, but there's no reason why ISIS would fake something like this.

There's no Burqa-clad playmate of the month. Or livestock.

Here's an amusing coincidence, if it indeed is a coincidence: on page 27, there's a photo of a tombstone in a military cemetery for a Muslim soldier who was killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom. The photo is captioned "Beware of dying as an apostate" and the soldier's name is, get this, Humayun Saqib Muazzam Khan.

I suppose I'd be remiss in my duty, this being the book thread and all, if I didn't mention an actual book on the subject at hand. I mentioned Spencer and Geller earlier, and as it happens, they have written a book together, The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration's War on America:

In this timely and urgent battle cry, Pamela Geller, founder of the widely popular website www.AtlasShrugs.com, and New York Times bestselling author Robert Spencer team up to expose the Obama administration’s destructive agenda—largely ignored by the mainstream media—and rally Americans to protect the sovereignty of a country that is under siege by the highest levels of its own government. As Americans see their paychecks shrinking every day, Obama ignores our forefathers’ founding principle: individual rights. Instead, he seeks to level the playing field—to transform both the global and national landscape in favor of our enemies—even if it means cutting America off at the knees. He envisions himself as more than just a president of the United States, but as a shaper of the new world order, an internationalist energetically laying the groundwork for global government: the president of the world.

So this elected president thing that Obama is doing right now, he wants it to be just a stepping stone to something even bigger. Maybe that's why he comes off so much as a slacker: he thinks he's just slumming.

Oh, wait, I said "subject at hand", didn't I? Obama's ambitions and failures aren't specifically the subject hand, so let me propose instead another book by Robert Spencer, The Complete Infidel's Guide to ISIS. In this book, Spencer

...reveals the terrifying inner workings of the Islamic State—its successful recruitment program, how it is financing its expansion, and the ideology that is driving its success. As Spencer explains, the Islamic State has taken the first steps on the path to becoming a serious world power—steps that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda dreamed of but were afraid to take. The Complete Infidel's Guide to ISIS is your one-stop easy reference for all you need to know about ISIS—including how "infidels" can stop its reign of terror.

How about we just bomb the crap out of them? Anything has to be better than what we're doing now, which is the occasional annoying pin-prick.

There's Always One Guy Who Never Gets The Memo

I think that's one of the Immutable Laws of Bureaucracy, or some such. Anyway, the name Hiroo Onoda is probably not familiar to you. Well, maybe some of you smart military morons know who he is, and some of us have heard of his exploits, but not by name. According to this article, Onoda never got the memo. He was

...a Japanese soldier who continued fighting World War II a full 29 years after the Japanese surrendered, because he didn’t know the war was over.

Specifically, he was an intelligence officer sent to the Philippines to gather intelligence and conduct guerilla warfare. "Whatever happens," his commanding officer told him, "we'll come back for you."

He finally did, 30 years later. Onoda thought that the "surrender now, the war is over" leaflets he occasionally found were fakes, set out to lure him in so he could be captured. So the authorities actually had to get his former CO, fly him to the Philippines and he personally ordered Onoda to surrender, which he finally did.

Onoda returned to Japan where he was treated like a hero. He eventually wrote a book (actually, ghostwritten) about his experiences, No Surrender: My Thirty-Year War.

In the Spring of 1974, 2nd Lt. Hiroo Onoda of the Japanese army made world headlines when he emerged from the Philippine jungle after a thirty-year ordeal. Hunted in turn by American troops, the Philippine army and police, hostile islanders, and eventually successive Japanese search parties, Onoda had skillfully outmaneuvered all his pursuers, convinced that World War II was still being fought and waiting for the day when his fellow soldiers would return victorious.

Onoda, who was born in 1922, died in 2014.

New Book Rating Service

Some of you morons might find something like this useful:

Literary Hub, the online resource for fans of the written word that launched last year, unveiled Book Marks, a new project to that creates a database of critical chatter.

The Book Marks site says this about itself:

We scour the most important outlets of literary journalism in America each day and assign their book reviews a letter grade. When a book is reviewed at least three times, those reviews are averaged into a result at Book Marks.

So it's like Rotten Tomatoes, only for books.

Moron Recommendations

Again dipping into ace's book rec thread (which I've been dining out on for weeks now):

146 For real adventure, also with attitude, get just about anything by Peter Hathaway Capstick. I particularly recommend "Death in the Long Grass". Capstick was a Wall Street guy who ditched it to become a professional hunter in Africa. Riveting, occasionally gory reading.

Posted by: Cameron at June 07, 2016 01:48 PM (6aVBb)

OK, let's have a look at this author: Peter Hathaway Capstick has written a good number of books about African big-game hunting. The book Cameron specifically recommended is Death in the Long Grass: A Big Game Hunter's Adventures in the African Bush.

Based on Capstick's own experiences and the personal accounts of his colleagues, Death in the Long Grass portrays the great killers of the African bush-- not only the lion, leopard, and elephant, but the primitive rhino and the crocodile waiting for its unsuspecting prey, the titanic hippo and the Cape buffalo charging like an express train out of control. Capstick was a born raconteur whose colorful descriptions and eye for exciting, authentic detail bring us face to face with some of the most ferocious killers in the world-- underrated killers like the surprisingly brave and cunning hyena, silent killers such as the lightning-fast black mamba snake, collective killers like the wild dog. Readers can lean back in a chair, sip a tall, iced drink, and revel in the kinds of hunting stories Hemingway and Ruark used to hear in hotel bars from Nairobi to Johannesburg, as veteran hunters would tell of what they heard beyond the campfire and saw through the sights of an express rifle.

Among Capstick's many other books is Peter Capstick's Africa: A Return To The Long Grass:

In 1985, Capstick went back into the African bush with two top photographers and a crack professional hunter, It was a venture taken for personal challenge, and for the chance to look anew at what had become of the Africa immortalized in his own earlier works. Peter Capstick's Africa is the chronicle, in text and pictures, of this safari. It is full of the same edge-of-the-seat narration, witty anecdotes, and wry observations that have made Capstick's earlier books so popular. But in addition, it tells the story of Africa today as Capstick sees it: a place that is in some ways the same as, but in many different from, the "dark continent" of even a few years ago. The text of the book has been integrated with the photographs of Paul Kimble and Dick van Niekerk into a lavish full-color production that illustrates Capstick's story in a way his fans have never seen before.

If there's a lot of photographs, then I'd think you'd might want to splurge for the dead tree edition.

What I'm Reading

A little over 3 years ago, I touted the military sci-fi novel A Choice of Treasons by J L Doty, a novel about a lieutenant in the Imperial Navy getting involved, not willingly, in galactic politics. It was a very good page-turner. Late last week one of my price reduction notifications notified me that Of Treasons Born was available for $2.00 (unfortunately, it has since gone up to $9.99), so I snapped it up. This one is a prequel to the first book and provides quite a lot of the main character's backstory of how he got to be who he is. Whom he doesn't know. York Ballin is an 11-year-old ~~juvenile delinquent~~ justice-involved yoot who was a participant in a mugging that resulted in the murder of an older woman. He now has two choices: to be shipped out to one of the empire's mining colonies or to be pressed into the Imperial Navy. Naturally, he chooses the latter, and his learning how to survive and navigate the vast complex of naval life, customs and procedures onboard a starship makes for a fun read, and in fact, I finished it in only 4 days, which is dang fast for me. I pushed aside all my other reading as I felt compelled to read as much of this book as I could, as often as I could. So yeah, it's a page turner.

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Moronette 'votermom' is still putting together a list of moron authors over on the Goodreads site which is intended to be accessible to non-members. Here is the list she has compiled so far. Let her know if there's an author she's missing.

http://www.bookhorde.org/p/aoshq-authors.html

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Don't forget the AoSHQ reading group on Goodreads. It's meant to support horde writers and to talk about the great books that come up on the book thread. It's called AoSHQ Moron Horde and the link to it is here: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/175335-aoshq-moron-horde.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, rumors, threats, and insults may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

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1 Good Morning.

Posted by: HH at August 07, 2016 09:14 AM (DrCtv)

2
Darn. And good morning.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 07, 2016 09:15 AM (5o5ek)

3 Completed Dale's Brown's Fatal Terrain yesterday. It was OK, almost a repeat of Flight of the Old Dog though except for new villain, China. But like always, he doesn't appear to like the Navy very much. I have to throw the BS flag on his capture of a Fast Attack sub using a big net though. Have now started on We Were Soldiers Once and Young. I loved the movie and the book was on one of those one day only sales. It's back up to $7.00 now. And he also has a sequel out but it is $14.

http://tinyurl.com/jhg8yk2

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 07, 2016 09:16 AM (mpXpK)

4 Good morning bookworms
Finished Company Commander by Col Charles B MacDonald and 1/3 of way through A Timefor Trumpets the untold story of the Battle of the Bulge. Learning lots of details I didn't know

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2016 09:17 AM (bksJQ)

5 I remember people talking about Japanese holdouts still fighting the war for years, but I didn't know there was a documented 30 year holdout.

That's impressive.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 07, 2016 09:18 AM (mgbwf)

6 Reading about Mr. Onada reminds me of a guy I worked with ages ago who was stationed in Guam after the war, I'm guessing late forties. He said there were still a few Japanese soldiers hiding in the jungle and they'd take pot shots at him when he went outside to use the latrine.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 07, 2016 09:22 AM (jR7Wy)

7 I read Hard Case by Dan Simmons. It's a very good thriller in which dead bodies pile up so fast that one looses count before half way through the book.

I also read The King's Justice by Stephen R. Donaldson. The book is two novellas: The King's Justice and The Augur's Gambit, and were recommended here some months ago. I thought that both stories were interesting but not exceptional.

Posted by: Zoltan at August 07, 2016 09:24 AM (JYer2)

8 Even these pants.

Huh? Are there any other kind of pants?

Wonder if they come in chaps?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2016 09:25 AM (OF/aZ)

9
I remember people talking about Japanese holdouts
still fighting the war for years, but I didn't know there was a
documented 30 year holdout.

That's impressive.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 07, 2016 09:18 AM (mgbwf)

C'mon, didn't you see the episode on that documentary series, Gilligan's Island?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 07, 2016 09:25 AM (LuZz8)

10 Wonder if they come in chaps?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2016 09:25 AM (OF/aZ)
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This is the book thread!

Phrasing!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 07, 2016 09:25 AM (jR7Wy)

11 There are exceptions among the disbelievers, no doubt, people who will unabashedly declare that jihad and the laws of the Shari'ah - as well as everything else deemed taboo by the Islam-is-a-peaceful-religion crowd - are in fact completely Islamic, but they tend to be people with far less credibility who are painted as a social fringe, so their voices are dismissed and a large segment of the ignorant masses continues believing the false narrative.

Wow. Dead on. How is that people who have spent a decade or more studying islam, read the best authors on the topic, followed the almost daily terror attacks... are the dummies, while the ignorant masses can hoist their noses in the air and proudly proclaim their moral superiority while possessing so little knowledge?

After reading the italicized quote above I have more respect and fear of/for the writer. He has perfectly encapsulated the problem we face.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 07, 2016 09:31 AM (ZnIt3)

12 I've been reading about stupid envirohippie fearmongering over methods of controlling the mosquitoes (and thus Zika) in Florida. Their arguments are a thorough mix of gross ignorance, biological impossibilities, lunatic conspiracy theorizing, and tree hugging hippie horseshit.

But I'm sure these are people who claim they wub science.

So, so aggravating.

Posted by: Locarno at August 07, 2016 09:31 AM (HhYvn)

13 Good morning my fine Book Threadists. I have several of the Peter Capstick books and they are excellent. There's a feel of reading Hatari instead of watching the movie. I'll never go on safari but these books make you feel you have. A lot of fun.

Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2016 09:37 AM (V+03K)

14 Curious that the subject of lonely warriors, WWII and the Philippines should come up. I just got a book yesterday, through Amazon Vine (yay, Vine privilege!) that deals with that: John R. Bruning's latest release, "Indestructable: One Man's Rescue Mission That Changed the Course of WWII". It's about a flyer named Paul Gunn, who had served in the US Navy early on, and then taught himself to fly, and was an instructor at Pensacola in the 20s and 30s. He retired, and took his family to the Philippines, where he headed up a local airline. When the war began, he was more or less recalled to active duty. He was involved in getting Americans and other Western nationals out of the PI when the Japanese landed - but his family wound up interned in Santo Tomas. It's fascinating to read, so far. The book is available for pre-order, released in October. I'll post a review when I'm done, and link to it on the Book Thread.

The third Luna City Chronicle will be released in October as well - and can I (as always) beg for reviews on my books from those 'rons and 'ronettes who have read and liked them?

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at August 07, 2016 09:37 AM (xnmPy)

15 C'mon, didn't you see the episode on that documentary series, Gilligan's Island?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 07, 2016 09:25 AM (LuZz

That show was far too sexist for my tastes. The men were all supposed to do the hut building, and food gathering, and thinking. Protect the women, yada yada yada.

Ginger and Mary Ann were modern women....I see no reason, once they finished baking up a batch of delicious coconut cream pies, (while topless), that they couldn't also help out with a little light manual labor.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 07, 2016 09:39 AM (S8UbH)

16 I'm still jumping around randomly through "Grunt: The Curious Science of Humans at War" by Mary Roach. Highly recommended. I keep searching for a killer excerpt but every paragraph has something funny and informative and I can't stop reading.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 07, 2016 09:41 AM (jR7Wy)

17 I'm just trying to figure out what prophesied cities now would be considered Gog and Mogog. Used to be Moscow during the Cold War.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 07, 2016 09:41 AM (MNgU2)

18 "Ginger and Mary Ann were modern women."
Imagine Gilligan's Island, scripted in accordance with Sharia law.

Talk about a barrel of laughs

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 07, 2016 09:41 AM (ptqRm)

19 Reading a little murder mystery (still) called "Flash" in which one of the two main characters is a border collie named, oddly enough, Flash. I think I criticized this last week for too much telling and not enough showing, but I am not finding this annoying enough to stop reading it. There's also a conceit of the narrator (third-person, exceptionally omniscient) telling us what Flash is thinking, and I haven't made up my mind about what I think of this yet. It's awfully precious but, still, it's a border collie.

And I'm reading "Hollywood Party" by Kenneth Lloyd Billingsley and it's pretty good. I just read a lovely quote from the head of the party in New York, who, by default, tended to be the lead guy for the whole country. When a writer asked what would happen if he disagreed with the Party's opinion on something, the response was something like, "When the Party has told you what to think, you don't have another opinion."

It's sad to think of all the people who have never had even the slightest experience or knowledge of communism oppression because they are diving onto the hook and willingly being reeled in, with no knowledge of what it will be like when they are flopping on the floor of the boat, starved for oxygen. And yes, that metaphor got entirely out of hand, thank you.

I just got a copy of "It takes a village" by one Hillary Clinton, used, of course, because I would never give that harridan a penny voluntarily. Can't wait to start on that. I will enjoy posting about her nonsense on Facebook, and I'm also thinking of doing a series on FB about how each item in the party platform will make poor people poorer.

Posted by: Tonestaple at August 07, 2016 09:41 AM (VsZJP)

20 17 I'm just trying to figure out what prophesied cities now would be considered Gog and Mogog. Used to be Moscow during the Cold War.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 07, 2016 09:41 AM (MNgU2)
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Minneapolis/St. Paul.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 07, 2016 09:43 AM (jR7Wy)

21 For those interested in Southwestern history: Paul Hutton's latest "The Apache Wars" is a great addition to your bookshelf. Hutton is an excellent historian and an outstanding writer.

He takes no sides here - good guys and bad ones come in all flavors and the atrocities and stupidities cross all boundaries. This is a dispassionate accounting of the events, characters, and cultures that drove the conflict.

I grabbed this on a drive-by past the 'new release' table in my library and have since ordered my own copy for my reference / reread shelf.

Posted by: casual observer at August 07, 2016 09:44 AM (IiOSo)

22 I'm reading Six Sigma for Dummies.[hangs head in shame]

Posted by: Gungrabby McGrabberson at August 07, 2016 09:44 AM (2X7pN)

23 Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 07, 2016 09:41 AM (MNgU2)

Check out Joel Rosenberg. He spends a lot of time on his blog on just this question.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at August 07, 2016 09:45 AM (k0TcB)

24 Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 07, 2016 09:43 AM (jR7Wy)

That's a relief. Thought it might be Dallas / Ft Worth.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 07, 2016 09:45 AM (MNgU2)

25 It sickens me that the best information about ISIS and their aims comes from their own magazine instead of our so-called intelligence services. We're making so much headway against them they don't feel the need to lie or even obfuscate.

Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2016 09:46 AM (V+03K)

26
I'm one of these girly-brains who doesn't believe in trophy hunting, but if it prunes certain populations that would otherwise be starving or killed inhumanely by poachers, I'm okay with its continuing. I just wouldn't shoot a lion or any animal for that matter for sport.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 07, 2016 09:46 AM (5o5ek)

27 I've been reading about stupid envirohippie fearmongering over methods of controlling the mosquitoes (and thus Zika) in Florida. Their arguments are a thorough mix of gross ignorance, biological impossibilities, lunatic conspiracy theorizing, and tree hugging hippie horseshit. But I'm sure these are people who claim they wub science. So, so aggravating.Posted by: Locarno

The fear that the absence of mosquitoes will 'upset the ecosystem' is the argument that I would love to see someone actually attempt to prove. You mean some bats might get a little skinnier?

Yeah, I think the planet can still survive with fewer bats. It doesn't take a science fiction writer to imagine mankind being virtually eliminated by some simple pest that we now have the ability to eliminate tthrough genetic manipulation.

If anyone has a loved one in assisted living or a nursing home, they know the annual cost can easily be in the range of sixty to one hundred thousand dollars per year. These zika effected infants are going to require that level of expenditure, perhaps even higher, every year for decades.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 07, 2016 09:47 AM (ZnIt3)

28 This is the book thread!

Phrasing!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 07, 2016 09:25 AM

You are correct. (Hangs head in shame)

This thread, above all other AoSHQ thread, should be a shrine to clear, precise, unambiguous, and non-redundant phrasing.

And a shrine, of course, to the Oxford comma.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2016 09:47 AM (OF/aZ)

29 Don't have anything good to read right now ... which sucks.

But I've got a question ... and although political, I think it's book-related enough to stick with the theme of the thread. 'Muse, if you disagree - or if it just harshes everybody's Sunday mellow - just say the word and I'll let it die.

Why is it, from Mein Kampf to Dabiq and everything in between ... are all tyrants motivated to tell you what they're going to do before they do it, in either writing or video ... and then so many people so committed to simply refusing to take them at their word ?

I have my theory - but I'd like to hear all of your's.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 07, 2016 09:47 AM (fiGNd)

30 Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at August 07, 2016 09:45 AM (k0TcB)

Never read any of his fiction novels . Are they any good?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 07, 2016 09:48 AM (MNgU2)

31 Yay Book Thread!

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 09:48 AM (7lVbc)

32 Onoda is totes the survivalist hero

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 07, 2016 09:49 AM (U0lQa)

33 Yes We Khan!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 07, 2016 09:50 AM (wPiJc)

34 Never read any of his fiction novels . Are they any good?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 07, 2016 09:48 AM (MNgU2)

End of the world/technothrillers. If you're not inclined to believe Daniel, Isaiah and Revelations then YMMV.

If you do believe then by all means. Read them order.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at August 07, 2016 09:51 AM (k0TcB)

35 Modern Progressive Liberals are simply people who would foolishly go walking in the long grass. Unfortunately for the rest of us, there are no lions, nor long grass, and the unfittest survive to poison our well.

Posted by: Charles Darwin's Vengeful Beagle at August 07, 2016 09:53 AM (3v713)

36 Read them IN order!

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at August 07, 2016 09:53 AM (k0TcB)

37 Anyway, the name Hiroo Onoda is probably not familiar to you.

I remember newspaper accounts when he surrendered.

I can't help but admire his tenaciousness.

Posted by: rickl at August 07, 2016 09:53 AM (sdi6R)

38 Good morning, Bookthreadians!

Today is the last day for -

"Wearing the Cat - Part Two: The Fox's Den"

at the low low introductory price of $1.99.

Why that's cheaper than getting a Buffalo Ranch McChicken and Apple Slices from MacDonald's Dollar Menu!

Sure, you could go into MacDonald's with a $1.99 and order a Buffalo Ranch McChicken sandwich and Apple Slices...

But, then they'd make you go dance a Buck and Wing outside the front door until-

enough people threw money at you to make up that extra penny and taxes!

Don't be forced to dance a Buck and Wing in front of McDonald's,

instead spend that $1.99 on a fun literary experience

Right here:

https://www.amazon.com/Wearing-Cat-Part-Two-Foxs-

ebook/dp/B01IYQSPMQ

(remove extra spaces)

And thank you to those who bought "WTC - PT: TFD" this week.

You rock!

Posted by: naturalfake at August 07, 2016 09:53 AM (HGtd0)

39 Looking at the Book Marks website it seems to have very little content so far, no Sci Fi category, few books listed. I like Goodreads for finding book reviews, though they aren't by professionals.

Re-read So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish (HHGTG #4) by Douglas Adams, last of the Hitchhiker series. Basically Arthur Dent finds love, don't know there is much else to the story. It's passable, better than Adam's later detective books anyway.

Read Term Limits by Vince Flynn, where someone is killing Washington politicians, hence a form of term limits. Seemed a bit politically naive but has a terrific plot twist half-way through that really juiced up the story, fun thriller.

Read CTRL ALT Revolt! by Nick Cole, which was a bit hard to get into but gets progressively better until the exciting conclusion. He takes potshots at the Left scattered through his book, I can see why his leftist editor got mad. Borrows from the Terminator movie, Redshirts and Ready Player One, lot of fun, will have to check out the sequel.

Posted by: waelse1 at August 07, 2016 09:54 AM (kZFjr)

40 I hardly ever read novels, but I'm on "vacation" and I just finished Emphyrio by Jack Vance. I first read it when I was a kid and enjoyed it even more now. He Imagines a world where everyone is on welfare and instead of Mister, everyone is referred to as "Recipient." Just like most large U.S. cities today.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 07, 2016 09:54 AM (U99QI)

41 The Six Million Dollar Man brought back a WWII hold out.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2016 09:54 AM (2Ocf1)

42 On last night's ONT we got into a little discussion about Tom Bombadil in LOTR, which was fun. That reminded me about some of the books Tolkien wrote and illustrated for his children. Mr. Bliss, Letters From Father Christmas, and Roverandom are the professor being playful and clever. They are a delight.

Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2016 09:56 AM (V+03K)

43 once they finished baking up a batch of delicious coconut cream pies, (while topless)

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So that's where the cream came from!

Now what about the crust?

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 07, 2016 09:56 AM (U0lQa)

44
Bravo to Clarion for making Dabiq available.

How unbelievable is it that they're calling Obama and ilk stupid suckers to their faces? "Thank you, sheikh, may I have another?"

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 07, 2016 09:58 AM (5o5ek)

45 I have been reading The Peripheral by William Gibson.

Hadn't read Gibson in about 7 years so not sure if he changed his style some or I needed to get used to it but it took a while to break through what was going on. Midway through and I am getting what is going on and it is a really interesting concept.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2016 09:58 AM (2Ocf1)

46 Ginger and Mary Ann were modern women....I see no reason, once they finished baking up a batch of delicious coconut cream pies, (while topless), that they couldn't also help out with a little light manual labor.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 07, 2016 09:39 AM (S8UbH)
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Mary Ann.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 07, 2016 09:59 AM (U99QI)

47 But I've got a question ... and although political, I think it's book-related enough to stick with the theme of the thread. 'Muse, if you disagree - or if it just harshes everybody's Sunday mellow - just say the word and I'll let it die.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 07, 2016 09:47 AM (fiGNd)

Since the question is based on a topic the book thread raised, it's not OT.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 10:01 AM (VL6nX)

48 So much for those 'COEXIST' bumper stickers. Our choices are, according to ISIS: conversion to Islam, dhimmitude under shari'ah law, or a temporary pause before one or the other.

***

I took a course in religion back around 2003 and the professor, in discussing Islam, read from the Koran re all the world being Muslim, then said slowly, "By the pen or by the sword". Then he stopped talking and waited for it to set in.

Some people didn't get it, or wanted to debate it, but he repeated that these are the options: By the pen or by the sword.

There are two ways to create an all-Islamic world: Conversion, or the elimination of all who do not subscribe to Islam. They are okay with either.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 07, 2016 10:01 AM (SEXy3)

49 No way. Ginger, any day. Mary Ann would have expected a white picket fence and MIL visits every 3 months until she decided that sex wasn't important in a relationship, which would have been about 17 minutes after she slept with you. Ginger would have only expected that you share you cigarettes.

Posted by: noway at August 07, 2016 10:02 AM (xnWwf)

50 C'mon, didn't you see the episode on that documentary series, Gilligan's Island?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 07, 2016 09:25 AM (LuZz

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Those poor people!

Posted by: Mathesar, Thermian Leader at August 07, 2016 10:02 AM (NqQAS)

51 Rereading a combination of Calvin and Hobbes and The Far Side, just for a change of pace. Before that it was Jane Eyre- I get something new out of that book every time I read it.

Thank you to everyone who volunteered to beta-read for me. I've gotten comments from Phunctor, April, and votermom's daughter, but I'm still waiting on tenterhooks for the rest of you. (and working on the sequel in the meantime, but that's a whole 'nother story)

... pun not intended.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at August 07, 2016 10:03 AM (26lkV)

52 How unbelievable is it that they're calling Obama and ilk stupid suckers to their faces? "Thank you, sheikh, may I have another?"
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 07, 2016 09:58 AM (5o5ek)

I always remember that photo of Obama bowing so deeply to those Saudi royals like some cringing slave that he probably needed a chiropractor to get himself straightened up afterwards.

For the first time in my life, I was embarrassed for my country.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 10:04 AM (VL6nX)

53 Aedes Aegyptus isn't even a native species, so the argument about preserving the ecosystem is so much bullcrap. We would be restoring the ecosystem by eliminating them.

But it's all HURR DURR GMO BAD with these tools.

Bastards. I'll end up treating some of these Zika victims for the rest of my life because of these fools.

Posted by: Locarno at August 07, 2016 10:06 AM (8RCKs)

54 146 For real adventure, also with attitude, get just about anything by Peter Hathaway Capstick. I particularly recommend "Death in the Long Grass". Capstick was a Wall Street guy who ditched it to become a professional hunter in Africa. Riveting, occasionally gory reading.

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Sounds like a book by Colonel J. Sebastian "Basher" Moran.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at August 07, 2016 10:06 AM (sp+6Z)

55 Posted by: noway at August 07, 2016 10:02 AM (xnWwf)
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Mrs Franpsycho, is that you?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 07, 2016 10:07 AM (U99QI)

56 Hiroo Onoda - true believer.

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 10:08 AM (7lVbc)

57 I just finished re-reading The Way of Kings and Words of Radiance -- better the second time around, I thought. Does anyone know when the next book in the series is supposed to come out?

I know I'll be long gone before Sanderson finishes the series, but I'd really like to find out what happens next. There are strong clues that Syl will be back (YAY), and that Kaladin and Shallan will become Knights Radiant, which may happen in the next thousand pages or so.

I'd also love to see Sadeas and Amaram get their come-uppances, but I'm pretty sure that won't happen until the end of the tenth book, so I won't get to see it.

Posted by: Empire1 [/u at August 07, 2016 10:08 AM (7shHN)

58 >>C'mon, didn't you see the episode on that documentary series, Gilligan's Island?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 07, 2016 09:25 AM (LuZz

Also? Archer.

I'm reading book ten in some old cozy mysteries about a married couple who hunts art thieves in Boston. I just used up the last of my apple credit for price fixing too.

Posted by: Lea at August 07, 2016 10:10 AM (vmMMi)

59 Rolks just need to talk to Christina, Buddhist, Hindu, etc immigrants from Muslim countries (like yours truly), and we can tell you all you ever need to k one about the religion of peace. But no, most libs and LIVs prefer to listen to Khan because it reinforces their romanticized idea of how the world is, they are not interested in the truth.

Posted by: IC at August 07, 2016 10:10 AM (KTFfX)

60 I've had this book for several years and just read it.

Escape From Davao: The Forgotten Story of the Most Daring Prison Break of the Pacific War by John D. Lukacs.

April, 1943 10 POWs (Army, Navy, Marines) and 2 Filipino convicts escape from the Davao Penal Colony on Mindanao, Phillipines. He covers their pre-war lives to their capture, how they kept their escape plan a secret from the Japs and fellow POWs, their nightmarish trek through a swamp, the help from Filipino and American guerrilla forces and their months long battle with the U.S. government and military to tell the American people what was happening to our POWs.

CSPAN video of Lukacs talking about his book. It's a little over an hour.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?294079-1/book-discussion-escape-davao

Posted by: JackS at August 07, 2016 10:11 AM (hgwL9)

61 Onoda killed a lot of innocent people in his struggle to stay alive and to keep fighting for the lost cause. You might say he kept on Nankinging. He, like so many Germans and Japanese, was both victim and perpetrator of his odious philosophy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at August 07, 2016 10:11 AM (sp+6Z)

62 My first car was a Rolkswagen Geetle.

Posted by: noway at August 07, 2016 10:12 AM (xnWwf)

63 The Horde's Goodreads book of the month is 'The Devil's Pleasure Palace' dealing with the rise of critical theory and the Frankfurt School and how they infected the West. I'm about a third of the way through and can say the book is informative and makes me sick. It ties 19th century Communism, progressive schools of thought, nihilism and the deliberate destruction of all Western culture to what is going on today.

It ties in with several other books I've been reading, usually written by a Brit. This one is more direct so far, more American. The author hasn't used the term 'useful idiots' yet but the feeling is there.

Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2016 10:12 AM (V+03K)

64 Speaking of my list - added two authors this week - E.E.Knight - whom I've seen in bookstores but did not realize he was a Moron, and Erik Ruhling, who has an interesting site devoted to historical torture devices (not judging!).

Link here
http://www.bookhorde.org/2016/08/aoshq-authors-list-knight-ruhling.html

Also, congrats to Anna Puma - her book Golden Isis will be our goodreads group read next month.

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 10:12 AM (7lVbc)

65 52
I always remember that photo of Obama bowing so deeply to those Saudi royals like some cringing slave that he probably needed a chiropractor to get himself straightened up afterwards.

For the first time in my life, I was embarrassed for my country.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 10:04 AM (VL6nX)

He also bowed like that to the Emperor of Japan.

The Japanese have bowing down to a science, and there are different degrees of bowing depending on the social situation, ranging from a nod to a deep bow.

Somebody wrote about Obama's bow, and I don't remember the exact quote, but it was pretty much as you describe.

Posted by: rickl at August 07, 2016 10:12 AM (sdi6R)

66 Looks like the US thongs will take one from the Polish thongs. Everyone wins in beach volleyball.

Posted by: noway at August 07, 2016 10:17 AM (xnWwf)

67 But I've got a question ... and although political, I think it's book-related enough to stick with the theme of the thread. 'Muse, if you disagree - or if it just harshes everybody's Sunday mellow - just say the word and I'll let it die.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 07, 2016 09:47 AM
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I've read quite a bit of Nazi propaganda (mostly Der Angriff and Volkischer Beobachter) and Soviet propaganda (mostly Pravda, Izvestia, and Komsomolskaya Pravda) and my impression was that it was necessary to be steeped in a pervasive atmosphere of that mindset in order for it be effective. It is relatively easy to point out the fallacies and logical inconsistencies so that the fundamental arguments fall apart. The propaganda seems to work only if no countervailing opinion is available.

Hardly anyone ever read Mein Kampf, it was too difficult for most Germans to get through. Although it was obligatory to own a copy and to quote relevant passages as a reference.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 07, 2016 10:17 AM (U99QI)

68 Why is it, from Mein Kampf to Dabiq and everything in between ... are all tyrants motivated to tell you what they're going to do before they do it, in either writing or video ... and then so many people so committed to simply refusing to take them at their word ?

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It's like that guy who wrote "The Gift of Fear" said - being civilized we make our head overrule our instincts and tell us we are just being silly, it's perfectly safe, etc.

We would rather keep ourselves in danger for the sake of feeling safe, than protect ourselves at the cost of admitting we are in danger because that would force us to admit we feel unsafe.

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 10:19 AM (7lVbc)

69 "a temporary truce"

Obama calls it containment. Foolish man.

Posted by: PJ at August 07, 2016 10:20 AM (cHuNI)

70 60 I've had this book for several years and just read it.

Escape From Davao: The Forgotten Story of the Most Daring Prison Break of the Pacific War by John D. Lukacs.

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Sounds interesting

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 10:21 AM (7lVbc)

71 Heard me say 'It takes an Olympic Village' yet?

Posted by: Bob Costas at August 07, 2016 10:22 AM (o9vm9)

72 Carmelo Anthony said his U.S. mens basketball teammates need to accept responsibility and move on after reports that three players visited a legal brothel in Rio de Janeiro

Drudge

Another reason NEVER to watch an NBA game again nor Olympic Men's Basketball. Spit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 10:22 AM (m8J9w)

73 The propaganda seems to work only if no countervailing opinion is available.

We must stamp out all that hate speech on the internet!

Posted by: Barack, Hillary, and the MSM at August 07, 2016 10:25 AM (sdi6R)

74 As I learn more about chess, I've become interested in the history of the game. Just got a book from the library called 'Ivory Vikings: The Mystery of the Most Famous Chessmen in the World and the Woman Who Made Them'. It deals with the Lewis chessmen, where they came from, how they reflect the times and culture and, maybe, who made them. I'm a couple of chapters into it and so far it has been very interesting. Definitely worth checking out if you any interest in the subject.

Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2016 10:27 AM (V+03K)

75 Oops -- screwed up my attempt to add closing tags to my sig. This is just a test to see if I got it fixed, so please disregard.

Posted by: Empire1 at August 07, 2016 10:27 AM (7shHN)

76 The subjects of Uri Bar-Josephs eye-opening book, The Angel: The Egyptian Spy Who Saved Israel.----Nasser's Son in Law

I have not read it yet but plan on buying it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 10:28 AM (m8J9w)

77 Somebody wrote about Obama's bow, and I don't remember the exact quote, but it was pretty much as you describe.

Posted by: rickl

Bowing in Japan, among Japanese, is related to your social standing, etc. It is indeed a very cultural thing and subtle.

I work for a Japanese company, and interact with some Japanese semi-regularly. A slight inclined bow and a handshake is all that they expect from gaijin. That is how I acted when I met our new CEO, who was about 7 levels above me on the executive scale, and he was about 5 ft nothing.

Obama made himself look like a condescending fool. He is, after all, the President of the United States.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 07, 2016 10:29 AM (S6Pax)

78 Onoda reminds me of many true believing Communists.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2016 10:29 AM (SRecd)

79 Posted by: ScoggDog at August 07, 2016 09:47 AM (fiGNd)

Since OM has given license:

I think one of mankind's survival mechanisms is to believe that today will be much like yesterday (no matter how bad yesterday was) and that tomorrow will be much like today (no matter how bad today was). So, if I survived yesterday, I'll survive today, etc. This rule works very well, sometimes for centuries, until the "today" that it doesn't!

When truly evil people try to tell you they have other plans to make tomorrow totally unlike yesterday and today, it's very easy to ignore them because why would anyone let them alter a comfortable understandable social construct that into one that makes most people far worse off than the current one, even though the current one is not perfect.

Too late the populace realizes that there are now leaders that have been granted (or assumed) immense power and those leaders care nothing about them, except in the abstract as subjects/inferiors/slaves.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 10:31 AM (wYnyS)

80

recent washington free beacon post

7 Books Every Conservative Should Read
Column: Book recommendations for students of all ages

http://freebeacon.com/columns/7-books-every-conservative-read/

subjective

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 07, 2016 10:32 AM (qCMvj)

81 Just saying "hi"! to get into the Goodreads group!

Thanks,

Mike

Posted by: Mike K at August 07, 2016 10:33 AM (mGnca)

82 Obama made himself look like a condescending fool. He is, after all, the President of the United States.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 07, 2016 10:29 AM (S6Pax)

Good thing he's a citizen of the world (and not a condescending fool) or he'd be making us look like the idiots we are for electing him and re-electing him!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 10:33 AM (wYnyS)

83 I always remember that photo of Obama bowing so deeply to those Saudi royals like some cringing slave that he probably needed a chiropractor to get himself straightened up afterwards.

For the first time in my life, I was embarrassed for my country.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 10:04 AM (VL6nX)

Which is one of the reasons I don't believe Obama sees himself as the leader of the New World Order. He's a pawn in the game, and knows it. Or, he kinda knows it, because he is aware of his limited capacity, but loves the spotlight... so maybe he wants to be President of the World.

I doubt the people with actual power will be considering him for the slot though. So he's going to become even more petulant as he ages, and realizes how irrelevant he really is.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:34 AM (Pz4pT)

84 Hey, you would bow deeply too if you were dead broke and meeting one of your main bankers.

Posted by: BHO, The One You've Been Waiting For at August 07, 2016 10:35 AM (JYer2)

85 Mike K you're in.

Paging a "Ben" who has a request as well - please check in so you can be approved.

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 10:35 AM (7lVbc)

86 The propaganda seems to work only if no countervailing opinion is available.

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You don't say?

Posted by: NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, NPR, CNN, facebook, twitter, Hollywood, scools & universities everywhere at August 07, 2016 10:37 AM (7qAYi)

87 Good morning! The Far Side is an excellent suggestion for today. I have a full collection, but haven't looked at them for a few years. I need to laugh before I check out Dabiq.

Posted by: April at August 07, 2016 10:37 AM (e8PP1)

88 Obama made himself look like a condescending fool. He is, after all, the President of the United States.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 07, 2016 10:29 AM (S6Pax)

A lot of Japanese were embarrassed by that display cuz it more or less made fun of their social customs.

Japan considers itself a junior partner to the USA. Not the other way around.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 07, 2016 10:38 AM (0cMkb)

89 Why is it, from Mein Kampf to Dabiq and everything in between ... are all tyrants motivated to tell you what they're going to do before they do it, in either writing or video ... and then so many people so committed to simply refusing to take them at their word ?

I have my theory - but I'd like to hear all of your's.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 07, 2016 09:47 AM (fiGNd)

Simple answer is: people want to be understood, and tend to think of themselves as being right, even when the rest of the world views their actions as unspeakable evil.

It's the same with criminals in police custody. Some will keep their mouths shut, but very many of them can't wait to tell their story, of what they did, and why.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:39 AM (Pz4pT)

90 Good morning, Horde. I went to Barnes & Noble yesterday & picked up a one-volume collection of Edgar Rice Burroughs's Martian Trilogy. With the clearance price plus my member discount, it was a paltry $2.50. Not too bad.

Posted by: josephistan at August 07, 2016 10:40 AM (7qAYi)

91 Waiting for the A ROD Presser.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 10:40 AM (m8J9w)

92 A lot of Japanese were embarrassed by that display cuz it more or less made fun of their social customs.

Japan considers itself a junior partner to the USA. Not the other way around.

***

I work for a Japanese company and despite being very integrated into American culture, they remain a very Japanese company. Respect and tradition are very big with them.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 07, 2016 10:41 AM (SEXy3)

93 So he's going to become even more petulant as he ages, and realizes how irrelevant he really is.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:34 AM (Pz4pT)

In the long term, I don't think Obama will ever be considered irrelevant as he will be recognized as the indirect cause of a world conflict and civilizational restructuring as savage as any yet seen.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 10:41 AM (wYnyS)

94 Good morning, Horde. I went to Barnes & Noble yesterday & picked up a one-volume collection of Edgar Rice Burroughs's Martian Trilogy. With the clearance price plus my member discount, it was a paltry $2.50. Not too bad.

Posted by: josephistan at August 07, 2016 10:40 AM (7qAYi)

Used to love to go and spend hours there. Now my wife insists on buying books at amazon

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 10:41 AM (m8J9w)

95 Obama made himself look like a condescending fool. He is, after all, the President of the United States.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 07, 2016 10:29 AM (S6Pax)

I cannot imagine, not in this universe or seven alternate universes, Trump bowing like that.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 10:42 AM (VL6nX)

96 "Completed Dale's Brown's Fatal Terrain yesterday. It was OK, almost a repeat of Flight of the Old Dog though except for new villain, China. "

Used to read all of Brown's books. I recently found an old copy of "Flight of the Old Dog" back home but I hadn't thought about Brown in years. Wondered if we was still putting anything out.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2016 10:42 AM (/vQaJ)

97 When I was in Japan I found myself kinda doing a little, berry little, bow in reponce to everyone bowing to me.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 10:43 AM (m8J9w)

98 So he's going to become even more petulant as he ages, and realizes how irrelevant he really is.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:34 AM (Pz4pT)

In the long term, I don't think Obama will ever be considered irrelevant as he will be recognized as the indirect cause of a world conflict and civilizational restructuring as savage as any yet seen.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 10:41 AM (wYnyS)

I see optimism in your perspective, that the world may wake up, even after disaster strikes.

I don't think we're going that way though. I think bigger events are to come, and he'll be swallowed into a larger hole, just one more nothing/nobody, a footnote maybe.

And then, darkness. As civilization dies.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:45 AM (Pz4pT)

99 I kind of consider this whole post-911 clusterfark the Republican version of Viet nam.

And for the same reasons-

W and his crew thought that they could calibrate their response and titrate the violence for a proper effect in guiding the muslims toward peace.

So, we got what we have.

Eep. when the Dims entered the mix and decided to make the "war" fair by having ridiculous ROE and flooding the US with muslim "immigrants" so we would get guerrilla warfare in the US to restrain us.

The proper response (with hindsight) would've been to firebomb the living daylights out of one city (or nuke one either/or) in the countries of the main players-

that would be the Saudi royals, the Emirate royals, Afghanistan, Pakistan.

Tell them that they can believe whatever they want but if they try jihad again on American soil our next response will make this look like a holiday.

Then eliminate Saudi built mosques - which are almost all of them- in the US.

And get rid of the Saudi backed muslim prothelytizers in prisons and elsewhere - almost all of them.

But, nope.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 07, 2016 10:47 AM (0cMkb)

100 And then, darkness. As civilization dies.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:45 AM (Pz4pT)

And a Happy Morning to you also!

LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 10:47 AM (m8J9w)

101 Back to writing yet another version of the synopsis, even though this seems to capture how I feel trying to complete this task.

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/selection-du-weekend-204-3.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2016 10:48 AM (SRecd)

102 >>>>>C'mon, didn't you see the episode on that documentary series, Gilligan's Island?<<<<<<<

Vito Scotti was a comic genius.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vito_Scotti

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at August 07, 2016 10:49 AM (tEDMc)

103 I've been on a Heinlein kick, again, mostly. Nothing new is hitting me right now. Monster Hunter:Grunge just dropped. I read it as an ARC.

You'll never believe who Courtney Love is.

Anyway, Tom Kratman's "A State of Disobedience" is newly free at the Baen Free Library. I'm reading it now. Imagine Texas secedes from a Hillary-controlled USA. So far, good reading.

I can't wait to see how the Hugos turnout this year.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 07, 2016 10:49 AM (IgRG/)

104 And then, darkness. As civilization dies.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:45 AM (Pz4pT)

And a Happy Morning to you also!

LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 10:47 AM (m8J9w)

Yeah, I know. I just look at all past versions of civilization that descended into darkness, and ask the question: are we smarter than they were?

You know the answer.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:52 AM (Pz4pT)

105 I think there is in the White House a department of protocol, which advises the President on how to behave when meeting foreign heads of state.

Obama undoubtedly believes that he knows protocol better than his protocol advisers.

Posted by: rickl at August 07, 2016 10:53 AM (sdi6R)

106
And then, darkness. As civilization dies.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:45 AM (Pz4pT)

You might be right, since in one turn of events, we will need, and have, only one book and it already doesn't recognize the existence of Obama!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 10:53 AM (wYnyS)

107 You have a duckweed problem, Anna?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 07, 2016 10:55 AM (ry34m)

108 Anyway, Tom Kratman's "A State of Disobedience" is newly free at the Baen Free Library.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 07, 2016 10:49 AM (IgRG/)

Kewl. Thanks for the free book tip.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 10:56 AM (VL6nX)

109 97 When I was in Japan I found myself kinda doing a little, berry little, bow in reponce to everyone bowing to me.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 10:43 AM (m8J9w)

I've never been to Japan, but that would seem like just basic politeness. I don't think you could go far wrong bowing to the same degree that others bow to you.

Posted by: rickl at August 07, 2016 10:57 AM (sdi6R)

110 Tell them that they can believe whatever they want but if they try jihad again on American soil our next response will make this look like a holiday.

Then eliminate Saudi built mosques - which are almost all of them- in the US.

And get rid of the Saudi backed muslim prothelytizers in prisons and elsewhere - almost all of them.

But, nope.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 07, 2016 10:47 AM (0cMkb)

I remember having this conversation years ago, post-9/11. I likened us to the big dog, being harassed by little dogs. He can mostly keep the little dogs at bay when taken on one at a time, but if they gang up on him, one or another is likely to get in a good bite or two.

So what does he do then? Try to figure out which one bit him?

No! He finds one, any one of the little dogs, clamps his teeth on its neck, and kills it. Dead.

Then turns to the rest of the little dogs, with a look on his face as if to say, who's next?

You have to raise the price. Which of course, we didn't.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:57 AM (Pz4pT)

111 Over the years I've read a lot of books about air warfare. From WW1 to today. One human need that is almost never mentioned is, what do you do when you gotta go.

I'm not sure if this is just a web article or in a book, but it has some funny stuff.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ht59ouy

On a B17:
'Another necessary caution on urination was to warn the ball turret gunner if the relief tube was to be used. The stream of urine from this tube impacted onto his turret while flowing in the air stream. At high altitudes, it froze as a yellow cloud on his turret. The instruction was to warn him about your intention so that he could turn his view screen away from the relief tube. When not warned, his guns were useless since he had no visibility until the yellow cloud melted at lower altitudes. Often, forgetful urinators were cursed roundly by the ball turret gunners.' Bill Frankhouser, navigator.

Posted by: JackS at August 07, 2016 10:58 AM (hgwL9)

112 Posted by: rickl at August 07, 2016 10:53 AM (sdi6R)

Yes, and Hillary had Department of State and CIA Russian linguists that understood every nuance of every dialect spoken in the USSR, yet her "team" was so smart they must have used a Google translator to translate
"RESET"! These people are not smart, they're just arrogant and powerful!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 10:58 AM (wYnyS)

113 94 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 10:41 AM (m8J9w)

You can get them free in e-books from Gutenberg

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 07, 2016 10:59 AM (mpXpK)

114
he's going to become even more petulant as he ages, and realizes how irrelevant he really is.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:34 AM (Pz4pT)
-----------------------

I've been wanting this hellaciously. I want that guy to be stalked down 10 years from now and asked, "What does it feel like to have your entire legacy crumble like dust and your every policy discredited?"

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 07, 2016 10:59 AM (5o5ek)

115 >>Waiting for the A ROD Presser.

Please tell me he's retiring and moving to Guatemala.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:00 AM (HJQI1)

116 I want that guy to be stalked down 10 years from now and asked, "What does it feel like to have your entire legacy crumble like dust and your every policy discredited?"

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 07, 2016 10:59 AM (5o5ek

Then you better pray and hope Trump get's elected

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:00 AM (m8J9w)

117 You have to raise the price. Which of course, we didn't.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:57 AM (Pz4pT)

Darn good thing W understood it was a religion of piece!

But to be fair, the Dems would have screwed up any response that had any chance of even marginal effectiveness!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 11:01 AM (wYnyS)

118 I finished reading Onions in the Stew by Betty McDonald. I want to thank whoever suggested it.

It is apparently available on Gutenberg.CA but not on the US site.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 07, 2016 11:01 AM (ry34m)

119 Waiting for the A ROD Presser.

Please tell me he's retiring and moving to Guatemala.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:00 AM (HJQI1)

Amazingly NOTHING has leaked. It is "assumed" he is in some form or another cutting ties with the Yankees, but no one knows for sure. Any second now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:01 AM (m8J9w)

120 The Barackhenatening will be glorious.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:02 AM (HJQI1)

121 Listening to Boston radio, they're going to cut to ARod when he starts. I assume that he's announcing that he'll forgo next year's contract and retire. He was once great, but he's in Willie Mays territory now, a shadow of his former self.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 07, 2016 11:02 AM (2cS/G)

122 Whoever recommended Alberto Angela's "A Day In The Life Of Ancient Rome", thank you. Great read so far.

It is not available on Kindle. It has been a long time since I have read a book-book and it is making me even more a fan of Kindle. I am at the age where arthritis in my hands make holding a real book difficult but this one is worth it.

Posted by: Anchovy at August 07, 2016 11:03 AM (a42oI)

123 Good morning, Horde!

Apologies for the O/T, but:

It's that time of year again: ramping up for the 3rd Annual Southwest Ohio Moron Meetup.

Tentatively scheduled for mid-October in the Dayton area.

Want to be kept in the loop?

Drop me a line at swohmome@mail.com (and please include your nic).

Posted by: ibguy at August 07, 2016 11:03 AM (vUcdz)

124 A ROD to play final game Friday and will assume an "advisory" role with the Yankees? So I guess he is not going to be playing but will retain his bloated Salary?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:03 AM (m8J9w)

125 Amazingly NOTHING has leaked. It is "assumed" he is in some form or another cutting ties with the Yankees, but no one knows for sure. Any second now
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:01 AM (m8J9w)

Maybe he announced he's switching to David Ortiz' brand of steroids.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 11:03 AM (Pz4pT)

126 Unconditionally released by the Yankees as a player and will sign a "advisory" contract with the Yankees thru next year?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:05 AM (m8J9w)

127 OM, were you able to get that link I posted yesterday for watching Olympic events to work for you?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 07, 2016 11:05 AM (+eR2D)

128 He's just sitting there.

Like the last 3 seasons.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:05 AM (HJQI1)

129 I'm going to go off the reservation here, and put my newly-acquired tinfoil hat on and declare that "Dabiq" is bullshit. There is no glossy magazine. You think these guys sit around writing a magazine, a la Rolling Stone?
And it is refreshingly, if brutally honest, and judging by the quoted passages, far more so than the NY Times could ever hope to be.
No, someone is playing games with us and trying to get the truth out--that little aside about how there is a fringe "that everyone dismisses" that doesn't believe the malarkey about Islam being a ROP--sealed the deal for me.
Someone--the Mossad?--is trying to wake us up.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 07, 2016 11:05 AM (o7bMU)

130 Now he is going to cry? what a phony

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:06 AM (m8J9w)

131 He's just sitting there.

Like the last 3 seasons.
Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:05 AM (HJQI1)

Yeah, I just briefly went to the live feed. Looked to me like a funeral, with the corpse not yet cold.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 11:06 AM (Pz4pT)

132 I'm just listening to it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:07 AM (m8J9w)

133 Now he is going to cry? what a phony
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:06 AM (m8J9w)

696. That's why he's crying, if he is. Knows others got away with (and are STILL getting away with) what cost him his 700... or 763.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)

134 >>Maybe he announced he's switching to David Ortiz' brand of steroids.

Someone needs to knock that fat fucker down.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:08 AM (HJQI1)

135 On topic, I've been re-reading some Robert Crais. Formulaic fluff, but I really like his books and am amazed at how long he's been writing!

Also read the two available books of "Wearing The Cat". I can't remember the last books I read with such a despicable, worthless protagonist and am really looking forward to WTC III.

Also reading a Rex Nihilo Kindle book, with a similar protagonist. I found one section where there was an completely illogical argument that ranged back and forth with interspersed comments by Sasha the Robot. I was laughing so hard I had to stop and take a breather!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 11:08 AM (wYnyS)

136 Where's Jason Varitek when you need him?

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 07, 2016 11:08 AM (2cS/G)

137 That's why he's crying, if he is. Knows others got away with (and are STILL getting away with) what cost him his 700... or 763.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)

How many of his 696 are tainted? It is assumed he was using since he got into baseball

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:09 AM (m8J9w)

138 Ah I wish him good luck..now go

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:10 AM (m8J9w)

139 I cannot imagine, not in this universe or seven alternate universes, Trump bowing like that.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 10:42 AM (VL6nX)

Me neither.
Trump will, at most, give a gracious head nod as others bow to him.

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 11:10 AM (7lVbc)

140
Yes, and Hillary had Department of State and CIA
Russian linguists that understood every nuance of every dialect spoken
in the USSR, yet her "team" was so smart they must have used a Google
translator to translate
"RESET"! These people are not smart, they're just arrogant and powerful!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 10:58 AM (wYnyS)

As far as I can tell they did use some online translator that had lots of variants and similar words, and picked the word that looked like "peristroika"
google translate only kicks up the most similar word, not variants by the way. They probably had a physical dictionary.

This is a tyro-type error, the sort you expect from a 16 year old Spanish 101 student. This was the error I made as a Spanish 101 student

Posted by: Kindltot at August 07, 2016 11:11 AM (ry34m)

141 Well actually he has a week to hit his 4 homers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:11 AM (m8J9w)

142 130 Now he is going to cry? what a phony
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:06 AM (m8J9w)

The Phillies' Mike Schmidt teared up when he announced his retirement. It was definitely real. Playing baseball had been his whole life up to that point, and it must have been heartbreaking to realize it was over.

Posted by: rickl at August 07, 2016 11:11 AM (sdi6R)

143 >>Well actually he has a week to hit his 4 homers

I'll take the Under.

And, started 'The Mongoliad' last night.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:13 AM (HJQI1)

144 That's why he's crying, if he is. Knows others got away with (and are STILL getting away with) what cost him his 700... or 763.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 11:08 AM (Pz4pT)

How many of his 696 are tainted? It is assumed he was using since he got into baseball
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:09 AM (m8J9w)

I know it's rayciss, but pretty much every Latin player who has topped 500 in the last 20 years, you can damn well bet they were being juiced since before they left whatever island they came from.

Of course, you can toss in the non-Latin fellas, Thome, Sheffield, Bonds, and McGwire as well. In fact, the only two I'm willing to say made it without juice (and even them I can't be sure) are Griffey and Frank Thomas.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 11:13 AM (Pz4pT)

145 "How many of his 696 are tainted? It is assumed he was using since he got into baseball"

There's simply no way to calculate that, but I will say this for A-Rod--he was a legitimate home run hitter because he consistently hit plenty of them each year for twenty years. He wasn't like one of those guys who had 8 on year and then 35 the next and then who were out of baseball 2 seasons later---there were plenty of them guys on MLB rosters 10-20 years ago.
A-Rod also has 3000+ hits. Steroids don't make you do that.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 07, 2016 11:14 AM (o7bMU)

146 The Phillies' Mike Schmidt teared up when he announced his retirement. It was definitely real. Playing baseball had been his whole life up to that point, and it must have been heartbreaking to realize it was over.

Posted by: rickl at August 07, 2016 11:11 AM (sdi6R)

I know...but this is a guy who cheated most of his career. Lied to many times to list. Sued MLB, The Players Union and it's dying President, The Yankees, ratted out fellow players to save his own skin. But having said that he had incredible talent and let him go in peace. It is just to bad he wasted it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:14 AM (m8J9w)

147 A few points on A Time for Trumpets by Col Charles B MacDonald, i know WWII history, one thing slowing me down is Google maps. I keep looking up the places I'm reading about.And a few misconceptions to clear up far from a German breakthrough with units running away is it was a very thinly held area but straight away small units platoons, companies, battalions and artillery batteries grabbed hold or held up the Germans enough to throw their timetables off to doomtheir operation. As for the Malmady Massacre many maybe half survived butwere subsequently murdered after, many did survive. Also from the beginning murders of American prisoners and civilians started on the 2nd day but not in a whole scale way more small groups or singled out prisoners.

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2016 11:14 AM (bksJQ)

148 120 The Barackhenatening will be glorious.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:02 AM (HJQI1)

Is it the consensus of opinion here that after Obama leaves office, everybody is going to suddenly wake up and realize what a big nothing he is?

I see no evidence that this will be the case.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 11:14 AM (VL6nX)

149 Sounds interesting.

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 10:21 AM (7lVbc)

It's very good book. Did you get the job you applied for?

Posted by: JackS at August 07, 2016 11:15 AM (hgwL9)

150 Brady Anderson was the epitome of the average player who juiced himself to absurd levels, clubbed homers for a couple years, and then circled the drain.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 07, 2016 11:16 AM (2cS/G)

151 Well I will listen to a little more of this presser, hit the Commissary, and head home

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:17 AM (m8J9w)

152 Kewl. Thanks for the free book tip.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 10:56 AM (VL6nX)

[headslap] How rude of me. Here's the link to the *free* book:

http://www.baen.com/a-state-of-disobedience.html

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 07, 2016 11:17 AM (IgRG/)

153 Anyone who hasn't read Peter Schweizer's _Clinton Cash_ (or seen the movie) should definitely do that first. Especially in this election season.

But his earlier _Architects of Ruin_ spreads the net more widely, and makes clear how damn near the entire Democratic hierarchy was involved in creating the conditions that led to the 2008 financial crash.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 07, 2016 11:17 AM (noWW6)

154 he was an intelligence officer sent to the Philippines to gather intelligence

I would say he failed.

Posted by: t-bird at August 07, 2016 11:17 AM (jO7js)

155 Wow on that Japanese soldier story. I knew there were some holdouts for a year or two but 29 years? jeeeezuz.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 07, 2016 11:17 AM (s6X53)

156 144, I'm with you on that. How do we know Griffey Jr. didn't use--ever?
There are rumors that Mike Piazza was a user, and I've heard Rickey Henderson used them to extend his career for a few more seasons. He looked chiseled like a statue when he was over 40.
Both are, btw, already in the Hall of Fame, and should it ever come out that either of them used, they won't be kicked out.
This is why--eventually--A-Rod and others (there were plenty) might eventually get in.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 07, 2016 11:18 AM (o7bMU)

157 In conjunction with 'The Devil's Pleasure Palace', the screw up with government recommendations about diet, certainly the climate change crap and so many other things, I believe two of the most evil words in the language are 'settled science'. The phrase invokes a mob intolerance (read violence) toward those who look for truth or show a spark of individuality and these bastards have spent decades creating the mob. And they have the MFM as allies.

These nihilists want suppression and fear from those they intend to rule. What they may not be counting on is rage.

In keeping with the book thread, I am slightly encouraged that books by CS Lewis, Chesterton and others continue to be popular and sell. Also, that books like 'The devil's Pleasure Palace', 'Lewis Agonistes', and "A Hobbit, A Wardrobe and a Great War' can be published says there is some hope left.

Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2016 11:18 AM (V+03K)

158 Quit the book club I've been in for over 15 years. There have to be other books out there somewhere that don't include rape/sexual assault, racism/slavery, the holocaust and/or gay blts. Maybe I need to join a men only bookclub.

Posted by: nckate at August 07, 2016 11:19 AM (QvwhC)

159 "Playing baseball had been his whole life up to that point, and it must have been heartbreaking to realize it was over."

Reminds of Brett Favre. The guy had always been a football player, it's all he knew. And even though he knew it was time to go he just couldn't quite quit. I assume he was sort of afraid of the life after, the unknown.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2016 11:19 AM (/vQaJ)

160 150---that's who I was thinking. Exhibit A.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 07, 2016 11:19 AM (o7bMU)

161 127 OM, were you able to get that link I posted yesterday for watching Olympic events to work for you?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 07, 2016 11:05 AM (+eR2D)

Thank you for that link, and the answer to your question is both yes and no.

Yes, that it was, in fact, a live link to several Olympic events w minimal commercials.

But no, because it so so completely choked with pop-ups and adware crap and "your flash player is out of date, download here", it's practically useless.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 11:20 AM (VL6nX)

162 A-Rod also has 3000+ hits. Steroids don't make you do that.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 07, 2016 11:14 AM (o7bMU)

Sure they do. PEDs are not just about bulking up. They're about adding endurance, quicker recovery from injury, and pretty much anything you can think of that has to do with getting an advantage over your opponent.

Why do you think the Russian Olympic teams were juicing? Not to hit home runs, needless to say.

The truth is PEDs are everywhere, and the efforts of governing bodies to keep them from influencing the outcomes is a futile gesture at best. We will never be able to separate athletic accomplishments of our time from the drugs these guys took. We can't do it, it's impossible.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 11:20 AM (Pz4pT)

163 I used to have a large database of military history books that I would pick up from bibliographies, browsing bookstores & the web, etc. But my hard drive crashed a couple of years ago and took the database with it. I've been trying to rebuild it since, and am looking to find the title of a book about the brief war fought between India & Portugal in 1961 over the Goa colony. I thought I had a print out bookseller's description of the book, but can't find that either. Anyone out there know about any books on this war?

Posted by: josephistan at August 07, 2016 11:20 AM (7qAYi)

164 So if he is retiring, and forfeiting his players contract...does that leave the Yankees free of his contract next season towards the penalty tax? Because his "advisory" salary, no matter what it is, would not?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:20 AM (m8J9w)

165 later all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:21 AM (m8J9w)

166 The Phillies' Mike Schmidt teared up when he announced his retirement. It was definitely real. Playing baseball had been his whole life up to that point, and it must have been heartbreaking to realize it was over.Posted by: rick

Speaking of Mike Schmidt, a moron suggested watching 'Fastball' on Netflix. I did, it was good. A very humble Schmidt paid homage to the incredibly Nolan Ryan. For baseball lovers a good historical movie about some of the hardest throwing fastball pitchers in history.

Seeing Nolan throw his final pitch at 46 years of age, a 95 mph fastball, I felt a little grit in my eyes.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 07, 2016 11:24 AM (ZnIt3)

167 "Wow on that Japanese soldier story. I knew there were some holdouts for a year or two but 29 years? jeeeezuz."

Seems hard to imagine. But, the Japanese were in-grained with a "never surrender" mindset. It was the worst dishonor.

And depending on what island he was on he might have been to able to live and go about without too much trouble.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2016 11:24 AM (/vQaJ)

168 Darn.
Was hoping Joe H was still around.
Wanted to direct him to Zion's Hope.
Zions Hope dot org or something close.
I know nothing of the others mentioned but Mr Marvin Rosenthal is as good as it gets on Bible Prophecy.

Posted by: teej at August 07, 2016 11:25 AM (QJIMk)

169 I'm with you on that. How do we know Griffey Jr. didn't use--ever?
There are rumors that Mike Piazza was a user, and I've heard Rickey Henderson used them to extend his career for a few more seasons. He looked chiseled like a statue when he was over 40.
Both are, btw, already in the Hall of Fame, and should it ever come out that either of them used, they won't be kicked out.
This is why--eventually--A-Rod and others (there were plenty) might eventually get in.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 07, 2016 11:18 AM (o7bMU)

Yeah, Henderson infuriates me, because he had a chance to walk away, with his head held high, records and championships to his name. But he just couldn't. I guess he got away with it though.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 11:25 AM (Pz4pT)

170 Reminds of Brett Favre. The guy had always been a football player, it's all he knew. And even though he knew it was time to go he just couldn't quite quit. I assume he was sort of afraid of the life after, the unknown.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2016 11:19 AM (/vQaJ)

Semi-related: I find the "Peyton on Sunday Morning" DirecTV ads hysterical. And Lionel Ritchie is the cherry on the...Sundae.

So to speak.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 07, 2016 11:26 AM (IgRG/)

171
But no, because it so so completely choked with
pop-ups and adware crap and "your flash player is out of date, download
here", it's practically useless.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 11:20 AM (VL6nX)

Sorry about that. Not sure what browser you're using? I have Firefox with the AdBlock Plus add on and I don't get any of those pop ups.
I usually warn people to have good ad blockers installed before going to sites like that, but I just assume anymore that everyone does. My bad.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 07, 2016 11:26 AM (+eR2D)

172 A-Rod also has 3000+ hits. Steroids don't make you do that.

Steroids are for recovery. They are PERFECT for baseball and its 162-game seasons.

Posted by: t-bird at August 07, 2016 11:27 AM (jO7js)

173 167 "Wow on that Japanese soldier story. I knew there were some holdouts for a year or two but 29 years? jeeeezuz."

...

That's nothing, look at all the Dems holding out since the collapse of the USSR.

Posted by: artist at August 07, 2016 11:27 AM (TwnkX)

174

My next book project will be titled 'Trannies on Roids' and will address the destruction of women's sports by men in dresses with silicone boobies...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at August 07, 2016 11:28 AM (qul7b)

175 Rickey Henderson played virtually for free (Independent ball) for years after he retired from MLB. He was a juicer, but he was also addicted to the game.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 07, 2016 11:28 AM (2cS/G)

176 I don't get the near-universal hate that A-Rod engenders. Is he a dick? Yes. But he's not the only one. Is he a spoiled-rotten rich entitled? Yes. But professional sports are full of those guys. Did he cheat? Absolutely. But he wasn't the only one. Many names have been mentioned --and many more will be in the years to come. C'mon, Big Papi? But he's in Boston and all the good lefty sportswriters like The Red Sox. They like The Mets too. This means they hate The Yankees, where A-Rod has played since 2004.
I'm not saying anyone should feel sorry for him, but it's not right that this supremely-talented guy has to take ALL the slings and arrows for ALL the players who cheated during the entire "dirty era", an era that occurred --at least in the early years--with the full acquience of both the team owners and sports journalists --who both pretended to be "shocked"- when the scandal could no longer be contained.
But that's why the ancients invented scapegoats.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 07, 2016 11:31 AM (o7bMU)

177 "I find the "Peyton on Sunday Morning" DirecTV ads hysterical. "

They are.

Not a huge fan but the guy will be self-effacing and make a good ad.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 07, 2016 11:33 AM (/vQaJ)

178 My Today in History post is up, and it's neither Mata Hari nor Elizabeth Bathory.

Link in nic

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 11:33 AM (7lVbc)

179 I don't think Griffey ever used PED's. He talked about the random testing that went on all the time, how someone from MLB would show up at his house (in the off season), un-announced and request a urine sample. He said a lot of the big stars were random tested all the time.

McGuire never hid the fact he was taking a pre-steroid supplement (androstenone?) , as he was a big man and always had trouble keeping weight on. I mean, the stuff was right there in his locker. I saw him close up after he retired (he was the batting coach for the Cardinals for a while, and was signing autographs at a Reds' game), and he looked quite a bit thinner.

But Griffey Jr. did insist that Barry Bonds never used, that is was all lifting and working out. Bonds probably never took steroids, but I would bet that he certainly took HGH, because his hat size and shoe size changed (got larger), which is an unusual thing to happen to man his age, without HGH.

It will be cat and mouse for years, especially if someone can come up with something that can be found as a metabolite in your urine. HGH occurs normally in everyone (usually very small amounts), but I think that now there is a way to determine if it is introduced artificially.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 07, 2016 11:33 AM (S6Pax)

180 The near-universal distaste for ARod is similar to the distaste for Barry Bonds. Both guys would have been HOF'ers without cheating, but they couldn't help themselves.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 07, 2016 11:34 AM (2cS/G)

181 One of the biggest regrets of my life was not being able to attend Mike Schmidt's (and Whitey Ashburn's) HOF induction, being stuck in West Virginia at the time.

Posted by: josephistan at August 07, 2016 11:34 AM (7qAYi)

182 >>"I find the "Peyton on Sunday Morning" DirecTV ads hysterical. "

'I have got a coupon for that one'.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:37 AM (HJQI1)

183 172--please.
Again, this reminds me that football and baseball occupy different parts of the brain. No one gives a shit if football players juice--in fact it is encouraged beginning in high school programs. The mentality of the typical fan if a player on their favorite team is hurt is , "Can't they give him something?? Shoot him up!! Get him the fuck back on the field!!!"

With baseball, it's like " OMG! They guy cheated! Ban him for life!! Expunge his records! Strip him of his MVP! Make him give back the millions he made!!" The same sports fans say both.
George Carlin was right.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 07, 2016 11:37 AM (o7bMU)

184 It's very good book. Did you get the job you applied for?
Posted by: JackS at August 07, 2016 11:15 AM (hgwL9)

Haven't heard yet - the boss wasn't there so I just gave my app.
I won't think about it - it's in God's hands now.
Thanks for asking!

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 11:38 AM (7lVbc)

185
Rickey says Rickey could never be anything but Rickey.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at August 07, 2016 11:38 AM (BrTpn)

186 180--yes, but even Barry Bonds is not subject to the same level of hatred as Rodriguez. He's not given a pass, but the sportsjournos ease up on him for obvious reasons....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 07, 2016 11:39 AM (o7bMU)

187 >>Posted by: JoeF. at August 07, 2016 11:37 AM (o7bMU)

Football doesn't have enough of a history for the fans to get irked by the notion of 'cheating'.

Also, it just isn't statistically as interesting (for the fan base) as Baseball.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:39 AM (HJQI1)

188 McGuire never hid the fact he was taking a pre-steroid

I don't understand that one. It was known, it wasn't illegal, it wasn't badly thought of. And then all of a sudden the world turned on him.

Posted by: t-bird at August 07, 2016 11:40 AM (w35Hj)

189 Why is it, from Mein Kampf to Dabiq and everything in between ... are
all tyrants motivated to tell you what they're going to do before they
do it, in either writing or video ... and then so many people so
committed to simply refusing to take them at their word
---
You know how in books and movies, the villain brags about his plan at the moment the hero seems weakest?

And then everyone thinks, 'well, no one would do that in real life'?

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 07, 2016 11:40 AM (3Liv/)

190 'cheating' = Steroid use for individual stats.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:41 AM (HJQI1)

191
Is it the consensus of opinion here that after Obama leaves office, everybody is going to suddenly wake up and realize what a big nothing he is?

I see no evidence that this will be the case.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 11:14 AM (VL6nX)
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It will take more than ten years, but I think there will be an OJ moment where his magic wears off and a lot of his Black supporters come to a more shall we say sober view of him.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 07, 2016 11:42 AM (5o5ek)

192
I'm going to go off the reservation here, and put my newly-acquired tinfoil hat on and declare that "Dabiq" is bullshit.
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Wouldn't you hear from Islamic radicals about it? JOOOOS publishing shit under their name?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 07, 2016 11:45 AM (5o5ek)

193 Someone needs to knock that fat fucker down.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:08 AM (HJQI1)

THIS!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2016 11:46 AM (Zu3d9)

194
Then you better pray and hope Trump get's elected
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2016 11:00 AM (m8J9w)
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Tell me about it. Otherwise, it'll be the same question, except after the Second Civil War.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 07, 2016 11:47 AM (5o5ek)

195 >>THIS!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2016 11:46 AM (Zu3d9)

When was the last time? I can't recall him getting pushed back anytime in the last 5 years.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:48 AM (HJQI1)

196 6 Reading about Mr. Onada reminds me of a guy I worked with ages ago who was stationed in Guam after the war, I'm guessing late forties. He said there were still a few Japanese soldiers hiding in the jungle and they'd take pot shots at him when he went outside to use the latrine.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 07, 2016 09:22 AM (jR7Wy)

Was living on Guam at the time (Dad was USAF), Sgt. Yokoi being brought out of the jungle was quite an event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoichi_Yokoi

Posted by: random lurker at August 07, 2016 11:49 AM (WF5ei)

197 I read The Secret Race by Tyler Hamilton, where he walks you through how the US Postal Service team among others kept their top bicyclists supplied with PEDs, even though they are probably more heavily tested than baseball or football players here. I just think they will always win more than they lose in avoiding detection, and they just need to create a second set of record books from 1985 on. Back to having Roger Maris as non-PED homerun hitter and Bonds as PED homerun king.

Posted by: waelse1 at August 07, 2016 11:49 AM (kZFjr)

198 Seems hard to imagine. But, the Japanese were in-grained with a "never surrender" mindset. It was the worst dishonor.

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It is often thought that the Japanese no-surrender ethos had ancient roots. It doesn't. In the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, thousands of Japanese surrendered with no loss of honor. This was a creation of radical militarized Japan in the 20s and 30s

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 07, 2016 11:50 AM (Nwg0u)

199
Simple answer is: people want to be understood, and tend to think of themselves as being right, even when the rest of the world views their actions as unspeakable evil.

It's the same with criminals in police custody. Some will keep their mouths shut, but very many of them can't wait to tell their story, of what they did, and why.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 07, 2016 10:39 AM (Pz4pT)
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I think this is it. The Nazis were downright proud of their actions. One reason we're able to learn so much about them is that they kept meticulous records. This was important, righteous shit that they would be relying on and displaying for all the world to see for generations to come.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Bingo at August 07, 2016 11:51 AM (5o5ek)

200 >> I just think they will always win more than they lose in avoiding detection, and they just need to create a second set of record books from 1985 on. Back to having Roger Maris as non-PED homerun hitter and Bonds as PED homerun king.

Baseball needs a Hall of Shame, right across the street in Cooperstown.

Maybe a block or two away, because the Park is directly across the street.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:51 AM (HJQI1)

201 I've been on a fantasy merry-go-round lately and I can't get off.
Jim Butcher's " The Aeronaut's Windlass" fun read. Looking forward to the sequel. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be anytime soon as he's working on another book right now.

Scott Lynch's " The Lies of Locke Lamora". Took a while to get into this one but once I did couldn't stop. Dark Fantasy done darkly

Daniel O'Malley's sequel to "The Rook": "Stiletto". Had to go back and retread The first book since it had been a while since it came out. In the second installment Myfanwy is back, awesome as ever, negotiating a delicate partnership with the Grafters. If Mr. O'Malley continues this series I hope the next book doesn't take quite so long.

Posted by: Tuna at August 07, 2016 11:52 AM (JSovD)

202 200 garrett

Probably be a lot of overlap....

Posted by: ibguy at August 07, 2016 11:53 AM (vUcdz)

203 >>Scott Lynch's " The Lies of Locke Lamora".

Good stuff.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:53 AM (HJQI1)

204 votermom, Thanks for the review of 'Washington's General'. It's nice to remember when people in Rhode Island (my home state) weren't all lib-tard dweebs. The only one I know of who isn't is JackStraw. I miss the ocean but am still glad I moved away 40 years ago. The politics of the place would make me throw up. Being a conservative in RI these days must be incredibly lonely.

Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2016 11:54 AM (V+03K)

205 When was the last time? I can't recall him getting pushed back anytime in the last 5 years.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:48 AM (HJQI1)

Because he is such a nice guy!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2016 11:54 AM (Zu3d9)

206 203
Have you read the 2 sequels? Are they as good as the first?

Posted by: Tuna at August 07, 2016 11:55 AM (JSovD)

207 Book 2 is close. Nearly as good as 1.

Book 3 not so much.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:57 AM (HJQI1)

208 Also, it just isn't statistically as interesting (for the fan base) as Baseball.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:39 AM (HJQI1)
They'll make a stat out of anything....."He's hit more homers to left-center off of righty pitchers in the 4th inning of the 2nd game of Saturday twi-night double headers in July after a rain delay than anyone in the history of the game."

Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2016 11:57 AM (9RGU3)

209 >>They'll make a stat out of anything....

Yep.

But, that is mostly due to the massive amount of Records from 100 + years of the game.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 11:59 AM (HJQI1)

210 Interesting answers. Seems like we all "get it".

Hell, who knows. Maybe "we" are "who we've been waiting for".

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 07, 2016 12:00 PM (fiGNd)

211 198
It is often thought that the Japanese no-surrender ethos had ancient roots. It doesn't. In the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, thousands of Japanese surrendered with no loss of honor. This was a creation of radical militarized Japan in the 20s and 30s
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 07, 2016 11:50 AM (Nwg0u)

That's interesting. I didn't know that.

Posted by: rickl at August 07, 2016 12:00 PM (sdi6R)

212 he was an intelligence officer sent to the Philippines to gather intelligence

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Could we send Joe Biden?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 07, 2016 12:00 PM (Nwg0u)

213 207
"Book 3 not so much"

Well pooh. Reached the bottom of the creative well I guess. That's the problem with a lot of Scifi and fantasy series.

Posted by: Tuna at August 07, 2016 12:01 PM (JSovD)

214 nood baseball

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 12:02 PM (VL6nX)

215 >>. That's the problem with a lot of Scifi and fantasy series.

Well, the ones that get finished!

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 12:03 PM (HJQI1)

216 Haven't heard yet - the boss wasn't there so I just gave my app.
I won't think about it - it's in God's hands now.
Thanks for asking!
Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 11:38 AM (7lVbc)
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votermom, you should drop by during daytime hours early in the week. Most store managers work "normal" working hours, M-F. Just ask to see the manager and say, "I dropped off an application on Saturday and I just wanted to stop in and see if you received it." That way he/she/xe can put a face to the name. It is very helpful.

Posted by: bluebell at August 07, 2016 12:03 PM (805dc)

217 I started to read TNE ADVENTURES OF THOMAS PELLOW, he is taken as a slave at 11 And he is one of many Christian slaves taken by Muslim Pirates, it recounts his life as a slave and working for the Sultan as a translator and his Eventual escape, I Also want to Read White Gold which deals with the same subject.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at August 07, 2016 12:05 PM (dKiJG)

218 In no way will there ever come a day when people wake up to what a piece of crap Obama was. Never. He'll be deified when he leaves office. They'll call to chisel every face off Rushmore and replace them with 4 of him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2016 12:07 PM (39g3+)

219 Anyway, Tom Kratman's "A State of Disobedience" is newly free at the Baen Free Library. I'm reading it now. Imagine Texas secedes from a Hillary-controlled USA. So far, good reading.

I can't wait to see how the Hugos turnout this year.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 07, 2016 10:49 AM (IgRG/)

A truly impressive first novel. The POTUS in the book is a lesbian that has her political enemies murdered. Gee, I wonder who that character may have been modeled upon?

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 07, 2016 12:07 PM (5Yee7)

220 My problem with fantasy series is that the author has a story to tell in a few books, finds out they sell well, and keeps writing stories in that setting (every book a little bigger) whether they have good ideas or not. And they all have to be 18-part doorstops.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2016 12:10 PM (39g3+)

221 215
Yup. Still waiting for the next installment of "The Name of the Wind" series.

Posted by: Tuna at August 07, 2016 12:11 PM (JSovD)

222 Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 11:38 AM (7lVbc)

I have interviewed/hired many people in the last year.

Everyone has advice dos and don'ts.

I brought you in for an interview to talk to you.

LEAVE YOUR CELL PHONE IN YOUR CAR!

I have the job you want. My time is more valuable to me than yours. Don't waste my time by answering calls or texts.

You would think this would not need to be said. You would think.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at August 07, 2016 12:15 PM (k0TcB)

223 Why is it, from Mein Kampf to Dabiq and everything in between ... are all tyrants motivated to tell you what they're going to do before they do it, in either writing or video ... and then so many people so committed to simply refusing to take them at their word

And why do people read into and presume so much evil into men who have shown zero inclination or action?

Trump is the next Hitler, but ISIS isn't Muslim! And you're insane.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2016 12:15 PM (39g3+)

224 >>Still waiting for the next installment of "The Name of the Wind" series.
Posted by: Tuna at August 07, 2016 12:11 PM (JSovD)

This.

And the Fucking Stormlight Archive!

Sanderson is just shitting all over the damned place and will never finish this series if he keeps this up.

Posted by: garrett at August 07, 2016 12:16 PM (HJQI1)

225
"Wow on that Japanese soldier story. I knew there were some holdouts for a year or two but 29 years? jeeeezuz."

One was found on Guam when I was there in 1972.

http://tinyurl.com/zj2pmaj

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 07, 2016 12:19 PM (IqV8l)

226 Working today so this is late-

Hrothgar,

If you're still around...

Thanks for the quickie review.

If you get a hankerin to do a drive-by review of WTC1 and/or WTC2 on Amazon, it would be much appreciated.

Either way though.

Thanks. I'm glad you're enjoying the books.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 07, 2016 12:20 PM (0cMkb)

227 I've read quite a bit of Nazi propaganda (mostly Der Angriff and Volkischer Beobachter) and Soviet propaganda (mostly Pravda, Izvestia, and Komsomolskaya Pravda) and my impression was that it was necessary to be steeped in a pervasive atmosphere of that mindset in order for it be effective.

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I think that is right and that why the PC of today's "culture" is so frightening. Once the group think/hive mind takes over there is no limit to the crazy/evil. Why, they might convince people there are more than two sexes.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at August 07, 2016 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)

228 There are exceptions among the disbelievers, no doubt, people who will unabashedly declare that jihad and the laws of the Shari'ah - as well as everything else deemed taboo by the Islam-is-a-peaceful-religion crowd - are in fact completely Islamic, but they tend to be people with far less credibility who are painted as a social fringe, so their voices are dismissed and a large segment of the ignorant masses continues believing the false narrative.

Wow. Dead on. How is that people who have spent a decade or more studying islam, read the best authors on the topic, followed the almost daily terror attacks... are the dummies, while the ignorant masses can hoist their noses in the air and proudly proclaim their moral superiority while possessing so little knowledge?

After reading the italicized quote above I have more respect and fear of/for the writer. He has perfectly encapsulated the problem we face.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 07, 2016 09:31 AM (ZnIt3)

The thing is, that "lack of credibility" is totally artificial, manufactured by the media, who really don't believe it themselves. They are following orders, just like in the 1940's, Communists like Pete Seeger followed orders to play on the "America First" bandwagon...until the orders changed, upon Hitler's invasion of Russia.

Some yet-to-be determined event will flip a switch, and there will be a preference cascade within the media and amongst the self-proclaimed intelligentsia, and suddenly Pam Geller and Robert Spencer will be sought-after guests on every TV news show in the western world. And then the next Crusade will begin.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2016 12:20 PM (f3Uae)

229 This is why I write small, self-contained stories about a person and events in their lives, not some vast interconnected epic sweeping over years. Too much of that out there, and not a lot of it is all that great.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2016 12:20 PM (39g3+)

230 baseball thread up so all the talk about that game can go there.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 07, 2016 12:21 PM (mpXpK)

231 Hi! Don't comment often but I really love books and this book thread. Especially today's, but I enjoy every one I see.

Posted by: BJ54 at August 07, 2016 12:26 PM (S7kGr)

232 Was living on Guam at the time (Dad was USAF), Sgt. Yokoi being brought out of the jungle was quite an event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoichi_Yokoi
Posted by: random lurker at August 07, 2016 11:49 AM (WF5ei)

According to the wiki entry, Yokoi knew full well that WWII had ended, he just thought it was a disgrace to be captured alive.

That's what he said, anyway. But I'll bet you the real reason was that he had a b*tch of a wife and possibly an MIL he thought of as "that old battle axe" and decided that rather than having to go back to his old life, it was preferable to be living like a fugitive on the lam, hiding out in the jungle on some island far, far away from Japan.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 12:31 PM (VL6nX)

233 Posted by: bluebell at August 07, 2016 12:03 PM (805dc)

Thanks bb, I will do that!

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 12:33 PM (7lVbc)

234 Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 07, 2016 10:07 AM (U99QI)

You married a Ginger type of woman? Lucky SOB.

Posted by: F.N.G. at August 07, 2016 12:35 PM (kiSdp)

235 204 votermom, Thanks for the review of 'Washington's General'. It's nice to remember when people in Rhode Island (my home state) weren't all lib-tard dweebs. The only one I know of who isn't is JackStraw. I miss the ocean but am still glad I moved away 40 years ago. The politics of the place would make me throw up. Being a conservative in RI these days must be incredibly lonely.
Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2016 11:54 AM (V+03K)

You're welcome!
I know one non lib who just moved to RI.
One of the original PUMAs, now supports Trump. I think she does. Can't stand Hillary anymore.

Posted by: @votermom at August 07, 2016 12:36 PM (7lVbc)

236 And then the next Crusade will begin.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2016 12:20 PM (f3Uae)

Crusades are conducted by peoples with a cohesive civilization!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 12:38 PM (wYnyS)

237 218

Yep. The bigger the lie that is realized too late, the more reluctant one usually is to admit having believed it. That's just human nature but the Left has an additional reason to double down on the myth of Obama, just as they do with every other leftist hero with feet of clay. We think Obama is scrubbed and sanitized now -- and he is -- but he'll someday be a literal saint to them.

Posted by: doomed at August 07, 2016 12:40 PM (UW4Uc)

238 I have Onodo's book. It is a good survival book. I don't buy his claim he thought the war was still going on. He had quite a few indications otherwise. He had continued the war on locals and admitting the war was over would be to admit to criminal acts

Posted by: Dons at August 07, 2016 12:44 PM (FTI54)

239 Well, I mean, after a certain point, you have to resupply by theft, and yeah that becomes just criminal.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2016 12:46 PM (39g3+)

240 And the Fucking Stormlight Archive!

Sanderson is just shitting all over the damned place and will never finish this series if he keeps this up.

Actually, I like the epic series -- have ever since I ran into the Lensman books when I was about 12. Problem is, that was sixty years ago, and I no longer have the time to wait 20-30 years for an author to finish!

And yeah, Sanderson does get sidetracked a lot, which makes it even more frustrating. ::sigh::

Posted by: Empire1 at August 07, 2016 12:48 PM (N7qtY)

241 We think Obama is scrubbed and sanitized now -- and he is -- but he'll someday be a literal saint to them.

Posted by: doomed at August 07, 2016 12:40 PM (UW4Uc)

I think that depends on whether on not the future belongs to "those that do not slander the prophet" or to those who would impose a progressive society on the peons.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 12:51 PM (wYnyS)

242 I read the new John Ringo MHM book, Grunge. It is not bad. It is very episodic in it's structure, but that was kind of the point. I enjoyed it.

As far as the Stormlight Archive series. I really liked the first two books. There has been a decent amount of mystery and revelation in the first two books. This is supposed to be a thirteen book series, though. The longer these things go on, the more chance that you have things go to wacky town.

I still think, in a epic series sense, that Jordan got the formula right (except for the 3-4 filler books in the middle.) You had mystery and intrigue that were laid down very early but not resolved until the end. I think he ws the best in terms of striking the right balance in terms of pacing of revelation for the epic format. Plus, I just loved his characters and story telling style. He is missed.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2016 12:54 PM (WV3Yp)

243 OT: The name of the Gold medalist in shooting is 'Virgina Thrasher'. If she were a dude that would be the perfect name for a serialized detective novel from the 40's or 50's. Hell, it could be one now, she has the perfect backstory.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2016 12:56 PM (WV3Yp)

244 Dons, his book says that he had stolen a transistor radio and batteries at one point. He listened to news and gulled himself into believing that it was misinformation and agitprop not to be believed, and that there were real messages buried in the broadcasts for forces still fighting.

The whole "never surrender" thing was instilled during the 30's with an intentional remaking of Japanese society by attempting to strip out the Buddhism and just leaving the Shinto elements, as well as intentional playing on the elements of the Japanese tendency towards two elements: the culture of shame (as opposed to guilt in most European societies) and the traditional Japanese (and Korean) view that heroes that are lauded most greatly are the ones that die in attempting to achieve their goals, against all odds, against any self-preservation that would prevent achieving those goals.

Onoda was instilled with the superiority of Japanese over other peoples (he spent time in Manchuko where his brother was involved in a laquerware manufactory) and was trying to fulfill his role as a hero.
And that is why he was celebrated by so many so deeply when he came out of the islands.

A very good view on WW2 era Japanese mind-set is in Ruth Benedict's book The Chrysanthemum and the Sword

http://astore.amazon.com/aoshq-20/detail/0618619593

Posted by: Kindltot at August 07, 2016 12:57 PM (ry34m)

245 I think that depends on whether on not the future belongs to "those that do not slander the prophet" or to those who would impose a progressive society on the peons.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 12:51 PM (wYnyS)

And how are those two different?

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 01:00 PM (VL6nX)

246 And how are those two different?
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 01:00 PM (VL6nX)

The former will most likely destroy the latter.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2016 01:02 PM (WV3Yp)

247 as well as intentional playing on the elements of the Japanese tendency towards two elements:

Well, that and "Japanese are superior human beings far better than all other humanity." Some of the most openly, cheerfully racist people on earth.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2016 01:03 PM (39g3+)

248 242
I read the new John Ringo MHM book, Grunge. It is not bad. It is very
episodic in it's structure, but that was kind of the point. I enjoyed
it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2016 12:54 PM (WV3Yp)

If you are talking about the Monster Hunter Memoirs I note that it is a "co-author" series. Ringo may write one chapter and the "newbie" will do all the rest. I have found that many of the books we have now are done like this to help introduce new authors.

But that is how I found John Ringo. He was brought in by David Weber. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 07, 2016 01:08 PM (mpXpK)

249 And how are those two different?

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 01:00 PM (VL6nX)

The former will most likely destroy the latter.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2016 01:02 PM (WV3Yp)

Yes. Both are pernicious destructive forces, but the former demands total submission in every aspect of your day to day life and will expend the life's blood of it's adherents to accomplish this! The latter expects your submission as it further empowers the state and is willing to expend "your" life's blood to accomplish this. Slight advantage to the RoP IMHO and in the long game that's what counts!.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 01:10 PM (wYnyS)

250 If you are talking about the Monster Hunter Memoirs I note that it is a "co-author" series. Ringo may write one chapter and the "newbie" will do all the rest. I have found that many of the books we have now are done like this to help introduce new authors.

But that is how I found John Ringo. He was brought in by David Weber. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 07, 2016 01:08 PM (mpXpK)

From what I understand, Ringo read the first five of Corriea's Monster Hunter International series. Then he wrote two books. Then he contacted Corriea about whether he could write in the universe. Corriea said sure, let me know when you have them done. Ringo said, well I have two already completed. Corriea asked to read and revise them so they would not conflict with his universe setup, and there you go.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2016 01:14 PM (WV3Yp)

251 "Gog and Mogog"

Wikipedia suggest Scythians and suggest that Gog would live in modern day Iran. I think Russia is more interested in Poland and Georgia. If you read Pravada Russia is setting up for another adventure in Georgia.

I have advocated that Poland and Georgia (the country) weapon up with nuclear tipped missiles. But I just read that nuclear weapons are a hoax and proven by Google pictures of Bikini atoll. I'm still going through the google of Bikini picture by picture.

Posted by: Conspiracy Nut at August 07, 2016 01:15 PM (CRXed)

252 250 Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2016 01:14 PM (WV3Yp)

I had never heard of Corriea before. Thought he was a newbie.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 07, 2016 01:17 PM (mpXpK)

253 "Our choices are"

Accept what people tell us or pray for what we want.

I want muslims who want to kill to kill each other off.
I want Christians to quit shipping food and weapons to muslims.

I think God answered my prayers with fracking.
The muslims have been fracked.

Posted by: Conspiracy Nut at August 07, 2016 01:18 PM (CRXed)

254 I had never heard of Corriea before. Thought he was a newbie.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 07, 2016 01:17 PM (mpXpK)

No, He has the Monster Hunter series, a new fantasy series (doesn't everyone?), an interesting magic/alternate history series set in the 30's-40's, and a couple collaborations.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2016 01:23 PM (WV3Yp)

255 Posted by: Conspiracy Nut at August 07, 2016 01:15 PM (CRXed)

Technically, I think it is "Gog and Magog".

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 01:23 PM (wYnyS)

256 So much for those 'COEXIST' bumper stickers. Our choices are, according to ISIS: conversion to Islam, dhimmitude under shari'ah law, or a temporary pause before one or the other.

There is another option.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 07, 2016 01:24 PM (rwI+c)

257 Yeah they offer another option: die.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2016 01:24 PM (39g3+)

258 Yeah they offer another option: die.

A game that two can play.

*touches nose*

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 07, 2016 01:25 PM (rwI+c)

259 Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2016 01:23 PM (WV3Yp)

I liked the Grimnoir Chronicles better than anything else of his I have read!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 01:26 PM (wYnyS)

260 #248, the series is Larry Correia's. Ringo IS the "newbie" in the setting. Monster Hunter International is a lot of fun. Imagine gathering together the survivors of every horror movie and then training them to hunt monsters.

Posted by: Graves at August 07, 2016 01:29 PM (beOli)

261 "I think that depends on whether on not the future belongs to "those
that do not slander the prophet" or to those who would impose a
progressive society on the peons."

I think the future belongs to neither. God doesn't like to be bored and so both of these are taken out after awhile. Tyrant originally meant something more like an appointed Governor. Everyone thinks what they build politically will last a thousand years. But it gets boring way before that and God kicks their sandcastle over.

The future belongs to the groups that can get five or six kids net out of their women on average. The gays will only have a shot if artificial wombs or equivalent become possible.

Posted by: Conspiracy Nut at August 07, 2016 01:31 PM (CRXed)

262 The future belongs to the groups that can get five or six kids net out of their women on average.

And that means it has to be us, even if it means we don't get that vacation we wanted, or another car, or that latte every day on the way to work.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2016 01:32 PM (39g3+)

263
The future belongs to the groups that can get five or six kids net out of their women on average.

And that means it has to be us, even if it means we don't get that
vacation we wanted, or another car, or that latte every day on the way
to work.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2016 01:32 PM (39g3+)

What, you expect me to sacrifice for the future "civilization" that my progeny might inherit (if the DNA tests ever prove any of them belong to me)!

Mom's basement and my EBT card are letting me live pretty well without that hassle, I'll tell you that!

Posted by: Hrothgar, Millenial for a day at August 07, 2016 01:36 PM (wYnyS)

264 Just got here and have barely read through then Book Pimp's intro, but just had to say, for all the hate aimed at Glenn Beck, he's still covering as much ground as he did during his heydey at FOX and has been talking about Dabiq from its first edition.

Yeah, the guy who first 'splained Progressives to all of us is still uncovering tons of buried history as well. Earlier this week he went through some of the historical memorabilia that was slated for display this weekend at his studio-turned-museum (once a year) and showed one of the 70 million leaflets we dropped on Japan before the A-bombs hit -- one of the 70 million we "awful Americans" used to warn innocent civilians -- blatantly TELLING the Japs our planes would be in their airspace soon!

Appearing to be Japanese money on the front, the backs contained the message from the president saying the Japanese govt refused to surrender or negotiate with the US and we were therefore going to be bombing Japanese cities but did not want to harm civilians, so they had better scram.

By this weekend Bill Whittle had a video about the leaflet campaign as did a few other articles on conservative web sites. Coincidence? I think not.

He also had the Dunham/Obama photo album!

Posted by: RushBabe at August 07, 2016 01:44 PM (YeKKY)

265 May have been brought up here before, but I think Glenn Cook's Chronicles of the Black Company are some of the coolest fantasy out there. He was an Auto worker in Detroit for 30 years and wrote the books in the 80s. I was a Marine Infantryman from 2007 to 2015, and my favorite books about the grunts beside "With the Old Breed," are the Black Company books. Also the Lion's Gate by Steven Pressfield. That would get the editors of Dabiq worked up for sure.

Posted by: tbeats27 at August 07, 2016 02:39 PM (+KIk6)

266 I'm almost finished with "PASSPORT TO THE COSMOS" by John Mack, M.D. The book is about the 'alien abduction experience" AND-- before you go 'popo' on the book --Google John Mack and find out he was a professor of psychiatry at Harvard. It has taken me longer to read this book than an other I've read, with the exception of the Bible. I could only ingest small chunks at a time due to the structure and nature of the presentation. The payoff--- I'm at about the 93% point of the book, and while parts were 'HEAVY' and mundane with detail, I've found myself going back to look at those parts as the 'CONCLUSIONS' portion of the book start pulling pieces together. Definitely gives me a different perspective on things.

Posted by: rld77 WAY down south at August 07, 2016 02:41 PM (xTuO/)

267 6 Reading about Mr. Onada reminds me of a guy I worked with ages ago who was stationed in Guam after the war, I'm guessing late forties. He said there were still a few Japanese soldiers hiding in the jungle and they'd take pot shots at him when he went outside to use the latrine.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 07, 2016 09:22 AM (jR7Wy)

My dad joined the Navy at age 17 in late 1944 and shipped out to Guam in early July 1945, just days after he married my mother. They sailed out from San Diego, spent a few nights in a Japanese sub scare off the coast of Hawaii, and arrived on Guam a couple of weeks before America dropped the bomb.

I never dragged this out of dad until he entered his eighties, but he never expected to see America again when they left San Diego. He was a Sea-bee, and it wasn't a secret that the US planned to invade Japan sometime during the winter of 1944-45.

Dad never fought, but the Japanese who refused to believe that the war had ended took pot shots at him many times. He also told me the story about when he saw a Japanese POW standing in the chow line attacked American soldiers with a prison-made knife. No one was seriously wounded.

Dad was a much better man than I am.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 07, 2016 03:21 PM (nvMvs)

268 Probably for Holmesophiles only but the book Sherlock Holmes Mysteries Volume I by I.A. Watson contains a very good not politically correct story with granny villain.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 07, 2016 03:26 PM (Nwg0u)

269 I bought The Man in the High Castle a few days ago but haven't started reading it yet.

I watched the first season of the show on Amazon this past week and it moved me. I don't think that a television series has ever affected me this much.

I plan to read the book this week but, in contrast to my usual way of thinking, I'm not sure whether the book will live up to the television series. I understand that the show makes several departures from the book but that's not always a bad thing.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 07, 2016 03:42 PM (nvMvs)

270 251 "Gog and Mogog"

Wikipedia suggest Scythians and suggest that Gog would live in modern day Iran. I think Russia is more interested in Poland and Georgia. If you read Pravada Russia is setting up for another adventure in Georgia.

I have advocated that Poland and Georgia (the country) weapon up with nuclear tipped missiles. But I just read that nuclear weapons are a hoax and proven by Google pictures of Bikini atoll. I'm still going through the google of Bikini picture by picture.
Posted by: Conspiracy Nut at August 07, 2016 01:15 PM (CRXed)

Gog is part of modern-day Turkey, as are most of the other areas named in the Scriptures.

I've studied this extensively since I was a teenager (I'm now 56) and came to the conclusion some 20 years ago that the Antichrist would come from the Islamic world.

At that time, my changed belief was a minority opinion, though it has a very long history.

I highly recommend the books of Joel Richardson. He has thoroughly documented and "evangelized" the notion of an Islamic Antichrist more than any other.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 07, 2016 03:49 PM (nvMvs)

271 I highly recommend the books of Joel Richardson. He
has thoroughly documented and "evangelized" the notion of an Islamic
Antichrist more than any other.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 07, 2016 03:49 PM (nvMvs)

SO, Obama is in the running after all!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 03:52 PM (wYnyS)

272 Just finished working.

And had a pleasant surprise!

Thank you JAK so much for the kind review

on Amazon for "Wearing the Cat - Part Two: The Fox's Den"

That truly helps and as a bonus side-effect, made my day.

Thanks again!

Posted by: naturalfake at August 07, 2016 04:05 PM (0cMkb)

273 So, is there any truth to the story that the words ..

"Allahu akbar!"

... means "I have absolutely no idea what I an doing" ?

Given the usage by so many politicians, it must mean that.

Posted by: Secular Rage Boy at August 07, 2016 04:37 PM (e8kgV)

274 254 I had never heard of Corriea before. Thought he was a newbie.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 07, 2016 01:17 PM (mpXpK)

Really?
I've discussed Corriea extensively on past book threads, since he was
the instigator of the 'Sad Puppies' Hugo stunt/crybully punking/whatever
you would like to call it. His 'Monster Hunter' series is good, fun, light reading.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 05:19 PM (FYNVr)

275 I'm going to read Hiroo Onoda's book.
Maybe Lives of the Saints as well.
Reminds me of when people had faith and constancy to something greater.

Posted by: freedom2014despitebarack at August 07, 2016 05:29 PM (QlyN5)

276 SO, Obama is in the running after all!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 03:52 PM (wYnyS)

Heh.

I believe that Obama is one of many Antichrists but certainly isn't The Antichrist.

The scriptures make it pretty clear that The Antichrist is from the area that is part of today's Turkey, and probably the western part of Turkey. He could very well be from northern Syria and other nearby areas as well.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 07, 2016 05:29 PM (nvMvs)

277 And then the next Crusade will begin.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2016 12:20 PM (f3Uae)

Crusades are conducted by peoples with a cohesive civilization!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 12:38 PM (wYnyS)

We Moron-types are cohesive. Heh, heh.

(Think about it.)

Posted by: RushBabe at August 07, 2016 05:39 PM (YeKKY)

278 Walid Shoebat, former terrorist, raised in the M.E., converted to Christianity, has a blog ya'll might be interested in. He says Western translations of the Bible are wrong, wrong, wrong, and if you were from the M.E., you would pick up on the wording.

http://shoebat.com/

Also, Ann Barnhardt, a hardcore convert to Catholicism, writes A LOT about Francis being an anti-pope (canon law says a pope cannot retire or quit, therefore, Benedict is STILL the true pope, whether he believes it or not). She has a lot to say on the subject and on the emasculation of the Catholic hierarchy as well as the West in general.

http://www.barnhardt.biz/

Posted by: RushBabe at August 07, 2016 05:57 PM (YeKKY)

279 274 I've discussed Corriea extensively on past book threads, since he was

the instigator of the 'Sad Puppies' Hugo stunt/crybully punking/whatever

you would like to call it. His 'Monster Hunter' series is good, fun, light reading.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 05:19 PM (FYNVr)

I must have missed that on one of those threads where I was stuck in the rocking chair. Or just didn't take note of it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 07, 2016 05:59 PM (mpXpK)

280 Stepping from 1940's Japan into 1974 Japan has to be one of the bigger mindfucks a human being has ever experienced.

Posted by: Dave at August 07, 2016 06:16 PM (2Kysq)

281 Probably for Holmesophiles only but the book Sherlock Holmes Mysteries Volume I by I.A. Watson contains a very good not politically correct story with granny villain.

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Damn autocucumber! Tranny villain! Tranny villain!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 07, 2016 06:41 PM (Nwg0u)

282 Posted by: OregonMuse at August 07, 2016 05:19 PM (FYNVr)

So you're really saying RTFM?

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 07, 2016 07:37 PM (wYnyS)

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