No Sanctuary: Civil Rights Commission Seeks to Enforce Law on "Misgendering"... In Church

Transgenders have the right to be called whatever silly made-up pronouns they've Dramatically insisted upon-- coming to a church near you.

Can the right to a church marriage be far behind?

Posted by: Ace at 03:04 PM




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1 Let them try.

Posted by: eman at July 06, 2016 03:06 PM (Py52h)

2 Ick.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at July 06, 2016 03:06 PM (nvMvs)

3 Welcome to the socialist apocalypse

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2016 03:07 PM (Yo9Lf)

4 Fuck them. Figuratively.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:07 PM (SvnHQ)

5 Tuck n Cover

Posted by: garrett at July 06, 2016 03:07 PM (I8Bd1)

6 Corgis called.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:07 PM (SvnHQ)

7 Why is it, again, that the state is regulating what can and cannot be said in a church? Or ALL the Bill of Rights going to be thrown in the garbage?

Posted by: Moki at July 06, 2016 03:07 PM (ezHMO)

8 All citizens shall embrace Newspeak or be reeducated accordingly.

Posted by: brak at July 06, 2016 03:08 PM (MJuTN)

9 Fuck'em Sideways with the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

Posted by: garrett at July 06, 2016 03:08 PM (I8Bd1)

10 Isn't it against the law to wrongly call a trans whatever what they really are in some leftists hell holes?

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2016 03:08 PM (Yo9Lf)

11 My preferred pronoun is "Islam is of the devil, it's wrong to kill babies, and Girls is not a good show".

Islam is of the devil, it's wrong to kill babies, and Girls is not a good show expects to be addressed as such by all self professed tolerant liberals.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:08 PM (oL4iq)

12 I self identify as a multi billionare.

That is why you have to take this personal check for this new Lamborgini.

Posted by: Khat Man Lu at July 06, 2016 03:08 PM (SVQNi)

13 Let's see how that flies here in Kentucky.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 06, 2016 03:09 PM (iONHu)

14 The faghags of the land having a grand gay time ...

Posted by: G6loq at July 06, 2016 03:09 PM (zj+JZ)

15 New universal greeting "Hey You" (douchebag whisper)

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 06, 2016 03:09 PM (tf9Ne)

16 "Isn't it against the law to wrongly call a trans whatever what they really are in some leftists hell holes?"

Yep

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:09 PM (oL4iq)

17 1 Let them try.
Posted by: eman


They will indeed try, and then they will succeed, over and over, and your face will be sandwiched between the hard concrete and the left's waffle-stompers, and you will whimper, "Please sir, may I have some more?"

Posted by: zombie at July 06, 2016 03:09 PM (jBuUi)

18 Have the chocolate rations been increased too?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 06, 2016 03:09 PM (kTF2Z)

19 Because marriage is between a man and

You know

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 03:10 PM (wmxwV)

20 Yo!

Posted by: Fritz at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (oia+s)

21 From the article:

"Im old enough to remember when Christians who expressed concern that LGBT activists would attempt to regulate church services were dismissed as paranoid nutjobs."

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2 year old toddlers are old enough to remember.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (8XRCm)

22 The only legal religion is leftism.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (Ozsfq)

23 I'm old enough to remember when Christians who expressed concern
that LGBT activists would attempt to regulate church services were
dismissed as paranoid nutjobs.



Why, it happened here on this very blog in the comments during the many heated SSM debates in 2011-2012 timeframe.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (NOIQH)

24 Ahoy?

Posted by: Fritz at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (oia+s)

25
From what I have seen I don't know of any large denominations that would challenge them

Not Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopalian, nothing Jewish


Nope


Maybe the baptists and the evangelicals. But the big ones, they will roll right over and show their bellies

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (zOTsN)

26 Yo!
I don't identify as Yo! H8er

Posted by: lindafell de spair-TEXIT!! at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (xVgrA)

27
Not like this wasnt predictable. The scandis have been harassing the clergy for years. I expect people to be written up for not referring to guys as wives at their jobs.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (iQIUe)

28 And you do know pedaphilia is next to be mainstreamed.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (Ozsfq)

29 I remember people saying that this wasn't an issue of religious liberty.

What a load of fucking horseshit that was, huh?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (KUaJL)

30 9 Fuck'em Sideways with the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
Posted by: garrett at July 06, 2016 03:08 PM (I8Bd1)

WTSHTF, I actually do want to try to fuck a liberal with a pineapple sideways. Love is love.

Posted by: josephistan at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (7HtZB)

31 I remember Christmas when there were no LGBTs.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt...the anagram at July 06, 2016 03:12 PM (K4eq3)

32 Why, it happened here on this very blog in the comments during the many heated SSM debates in 2011-2012 timeframe.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (NOIQH)

Yeah, I remember that. That whole, silly notion of a "slippery slope."

Good times, good times.

Posted by: Moki at July 06, 2016 03:12 PM (ezHMO)

33 I identify as Fleegle, except when I identify as Bingo, Drooper, or Snorky. There really is no clue, except for the frantic honking when I am Snorky.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 06, 2016 03:12 PM (qi/97)

34 Who are we to judge?

Posted by: Pope Francis at July 06, 2016 03:13 PM (g7BLK)

35 Pair this with the stories about illegal immigrants taking refuge in churches.

Not sure it's the same churches, but still, interesting choice of battlefield in the culture war.

If you'll excuse me, I need to pair some pizza with ice cream, because drinking ain't gonna cut it today.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at July 06, 2016 03:13 PM (u0s1P)

36 Trump may not be much of a mild mannered Clark Kent but the Obozo-Hillzebub coalition is anti-truth, anti-justice, and anti-the American Way and Trump is all we have.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 03:13 PM (Nwg0u)

37 Watching World at War "Nemesis Germany " about the end of war in Germany, retaliation against former oppressors. Not sure if I will see it but this will happen again, the left will make it happen again.

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2016 03:13 PM (Yo9Lf)

38 When Houston ministers where ordered to turn over their sermons to the mayors investigator

Only the evangelicals and the black pastors fought it

In Texas FGS

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:13 PM (zOTsN)

39
And all the monkeys aren't in the zoo
Every day you meet quite a few
So you see it's all up to you
You can be better than you are
You could be swingin' from a lamp post

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 06, 2016 03:13 PM (IqV8l)

40 Here's the thing: the one transgender I've met at church told me her preferred pronouns. Easy, huh? Why are they taking away this more normal, friendly method of asking people to use a particular pronoun and replacing it with the boot of the State?

Oh, because it's not about transgenders at all....

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2016 03:13 PM (NOIQH)

41 G-d, but I am fucking tired.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at July 06, 2016 03:13 PM (69cHf)

42 From the article, it only applies to religious services that are "open to the public." You know what religious services aren't? muslim services. Just try to walk into a mosque on a Friday night & see how long before you're shown the door.

Posted by: josephistan at July 06, 2016 03:14 PM (7HtZB)

43 Are ALL the Bill of Rights going to be thrown in the garbage?

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Not the imaginary ones.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 03:14 PM (Nwg0u)

44 When will all of the Socons finally die? They are nothing but an embarrassment that drives voters away.

Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:14 PM (WOPw8)

45
Gaystapo, GayKK, The Marry'n Brotherhood, Rainbow Mafioso.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:14 PM (8XRCm)

46 >>>I remember Christmas when there were no LGBTs.<<<

On the bright side, the carolers will be jaunty and gay.

Posted by: Fritz at July 06, 2016 03:14 PM (oia+s)

47 Religion is the opiate of the masses. We're just doing an intervention.

It's for your own good.

Posted by: Marxist at July 06, 2016 03:15 PM (XVTvT)

48 2006: The rights we seek will have no effect on your religious conscience. We just want to be equal!

2016: Kneel and obey, Christianist Scum!

Posted by: Your Betters, Doing What's Right For You at July 06, 2016 03:15 PM (RD7QR)

49 Assholes divide

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:15 PM (Ozsfq)

50 When will all of the Socons finally die?




Not much longer. Have patience and you will eventually get everything you have asked for.
You will be blessed.

Posted by: Khat Man Lu at July 06, 2016 03:15 PM (SVQNi)

51 "I'm old enough to remember when Christians who expressed concern
that LGBT activists would attempt to regulate church services were
dismissed as paranoid nutjobs.

Why, it happened here on this very blog in the comments during the many heated SSM debates in 2011-2012 timeframe.

Posted by: Lizzy"


Just give us gay marriage and we'll leave everyone alone.

Posted by: Mabriel Balor at July 06, 2016 03:15 PM (OD2ni)

52 As Drew (peace be upon him) used to say...
"The ratchet only goes one way"

Posted by: McCool at July 06, 2016 03:16 PM (TQxRy)

53 Someone told me it's all happening at the zoo.
I do believe it. I do believe it's true.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 03:16 PM (Nwg0u)

54 The left has always suited to destroy the church. No God will make the masses look towards goverments.

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2016 03:16 PM (Yo9Lf)

55 SMOD .... please put us out of our misery!

Posted by: Paladin at July 06, 2016 03:16 PM (4kpbt)

56 Pair this with the stories about illegal immigrants taking refuge in churches

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Maybe this civil war's start will be in a church. Every pew a front line.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 03:17 PM (wmxwV)

57 Thankfully, y'all works in every situation

Posted by: NCKate at July 06, 2016 03:17 PM (p0EAg)

58 New tactic: instead of worrying about all this sort of absolute bullshit state-sanctioned social justice warrioring, can we just ignore it entirely? These a-holes don't care about the plain text of the law, up to and including the Constitution. Why should we care what dumb reality-eschewing rules they concoct? If they want us under their heels so bad, make them have to subject us with armed force. Make it their only option. Let's see what they'll do.

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at July 06, 2016 03:17 PM (JSwc2)

59
the one transgender I've met at church told me her preferred pronouns.
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What were they?

Posted by: iforgot at July 06, 2016 03:17 PM (pC96u)

60 11 My preferred pronoun is "Islam is of the devil, it's wrong to kill babies, and Girls is not a good show".

Islam is of the devil, it's wrong to kill babies, and Girls is not a good show expects to be addressed as such by all self professed tolerant liberals.
Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT


I'm lovin' it!

My preferred pronoun is "I, as a liberal, am ignorant and tribal, and will henceforth keep my stupid mouth sewn shut for the rest of my miserable life," and every time you address me or refer to me, that is the pronounce which you must use.

Posted by: zombie at July 06, 2016 03:17 PM (jBuUi)

61 So the authority of the Bill of Rights was basically just a bluff all along, huh?

Posted by: josephistan at July 06, 2016 03:18 PM (7HtZB)

62 In a lot of cases, the left has infiltrated the church

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:18 PM (zOTsN)

63 Let me know when it's time for that backlash ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 06, 2016 03:18 PM (RKJF2)

64 I can't see the LCMS giving in to this. Not with our current Synod President.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 06, 2016 03:18 PM (FQKBL)

65 Don't worry, the moderate alphabet soupers will come to our defense saying they are going to far.....right?

*crickets*

*wanders off muttering about moderates never doing anything*

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 06, 2016 03:18 PM (Ee2nz)

66 If you come to the churches I serve I will call you by the name you give me. That is all.

Doc ircumvent any problems I will never refer to you as anything else than by your first name, so instead of She/He/Xe.Xirr" thinks I will never use those terms.

With another Democrat elected we will get lawsuits over marriages in the church and people will start going to jail.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:18 PM (frf5f)

67 "Im old enough to remember when Christians who expressed concern that LGBT activists would attempt to regulate church services were dismissed as paranoid nutjobs."

-
That was in ancient times, maybe 18 months ago.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (Nwg0u)

68 Ace,
what was that expression for the process by which :

1 - the Left proposes to do something
2 - critics will say its a slippery slope and eventually X will happen.
3 - The Left says you're all crazy wingnuts, we would NEVER do that !!
4 - 5 years later the left proposes that very thing, because now it doesnt seem that crazy (to them) but perfectly consistent with the first thing they did

Posted by: McCool at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (TQxRy)

69 I am so fuckin sick of all this gay and trans shit.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (Ozsfq)

70 Just give us gay marriage and we'll leave everyone alone.
Posted by: Mabriel Balor at July 06, 2016 03:15 PM (OD2ni)

----

.... except bakers and wedding planners and pizza joints and Chicken Sammich places and Mozilla and Catholics and Lutherans and Baptists and....

Muslims. We'll leave the Muslims alone. Because they are the Religions of Peace, and they might hurt us.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (8XRCm)

71

I hope churches ignore it


Let them try and enforce it

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (zOTsN)

72 Coming soon: polygamous marriage. Marriage to animals. Maybe even legal child marriage, both hetero and homo versions.

/thanks 52% for voting in Obama twice and subjecting our nation to this.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (tvyXw)

73 think of the army. they give the orders and you march.

I don't know why they're pushing another one of those things that plays into Trump's hand with the election only four months away. Maybe Milo Y is behind it.

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (qSIlh)

74 And you do know pedaphilia is next to be mainstreamed.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (Ozsfq)



Oh, you silly winguts, always conjuring up the most extreme and ridiculous scenarios just because you don't want to give oppressed people some basic respect. Legal man-boy love? Why, that's crazy talk!! IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN!!!

Posted by: The Iowa Cake Baker Civil Rights Compliance Enforcement Administration at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (8ZskC)

75 What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?

Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (WOPw8)

76 But my good Doctor, you will be made to care, and to be sure you will be proclaiming your alliance from the highest mountain publicly.
Just as all the cake makers, caters, flower shops ect.

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (Yo9Lf)

77 Here's a skeerry thought...

What comes after all this goofy-ass transgender shit?

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (6xtq3)

78 This one time, at Christmas rehearsal, we threw an LGBT off of the manger. It wasn't fatal.

Posted by: Fritz at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (oia+s)

79 Common-Sense, Universal, Mandatory Sodomy For Your Sons! coming soon to the churches and schools near you. You home schooling H8RZ will NOT be exempt. Goddess bless are Presnident of culor; our new Vagina'd Queen will proctcect his mighty legacy.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein, Brattleboro Women's Health Clinic at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (ucB75)

80 Willowed:

VP RAND "MOTHER FUCKIN'" PAUL

Because most Jewish folk vote democrat anyway.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (MlXgU)

81 Slow down hoss ! I'm starting to miss some of the sights.

Posted by: Overton Window at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (gs8be)

82 When would it even matter in a Church or Temple?

I don't remember my Rabbi her yelling from the Pulpit " Hey you, the faggot in the 3rd row, wanna shut the fuck up"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (Ozsfq)

83 pronounce = pronoun

Bizarre autocorrect!

Posted by: zombie at July 06, 2016 03:21 PM (jBuUi)

84 Doc ircumvent=to circumvent.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:21 PM (frf5f)

85 With another Democrat elected we will get lawsuits over marriages in the church and people will start going to jail.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:18 PM (frf5f)

The former Archbishop of Chicago Cardinal George predicted that he would die peacefully in bed, his successor would die in prison & his successor would die a martyr in the public square. Cardinal George just recently passed away, so....

Posted by: josephistan at July 06, 2016 03:21 PM (7HtZB)

86 re 70: and before that, just give us civil partnerships and we'll leave everyone alone. And the Sudetenland, that will be the last of our demands.

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at July 06, 2016 03:21 PM (qSIlh)

87
the one transgender I've met at church told me her preferred pronouns

"I am Legion"

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 03:21 PM (wmxwV)

88
But, but, Hillary is going to give college to almost all, so don't worry your pretty little heads over what the local preacher can and can't say...../sac


Her proposal includes tuition-free enrollment in public, in-state
colleges and universities for families of four making up to $85,000. The
income benchmark would increase over four years to $125,000 -- covering
about 80% of U.S. families.

Posted by: Colin at July 06, 2016 03:21 PM (HQP2c)

89

Godfrey Elfwick
@GodfreyElfwick

Why are these people not being taken more seriously?

https://goo.gl/5bcwWN

==============
Watch the video. lol

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (iQIUe)

90 77 Here's a skeerry thought...

What comes after all this goofy-ass transgender shit?
Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (6xtq3)

I have some candy....

Posted by: NAMBLA at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (7HtZB)

91 I told you all I never met a Maurice i liked

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (Ozsfq)

92 77 Here's a skeerry thought...

What comes after all this goofy-ass transgender shit?
Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (6xtq3

Well we already had a Biblical Flood so....

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (MlXgU)

93 Let them do this in a mosque first. Better yet, force a muslim bakery to bake a cake for gays or a Bar Mitzvah.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Sorry Ben, we f*cked it up at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (jxbfJ)

94 Maybe the baptists and the evangelicals. But the big ones, they will roll right over and show their bellies
Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:11 PM (zOTsN)

LCMS Lutherans won't roll over. They've been hinting the government has passed beyond legitimate government into something that only has to be obeyed due to a superior position. For example, a warlord isn't a government but you may be forced to obey at times due to xer power.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (Ee2nz)

95 can't see the LCMS giving in to this. Not with our current Synod President.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 06, 2016 03:18 PM (FQKBL)

Not Missouri Synod, not Southern Baptist, not PCA, not nondenoms. Everyone else is hemorrhaging members anyway.

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (JSwc2)

96 If enforcement of the gaystapo's agenda hinges around public accommodation, then perhaps it's time for normal folk to take their activities into the non-public sphere?

Make everything a club which requires membership.

Want to attend the church? You have to be a member in good standing.

Want to get a wedding cake? You have to be a member to shop here. Just like Costco.

If the facility or business is a members only club, then all that public accommodation bullshit goes out the window.

At least it should. But then we are in a time where the law means whatever the one in power says it means.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or TEXIT) at July 06, 2016 03:23 PM (yv7u6)

97 It's just their right they said.No affect on your rights they said..No slippery slope they said.

Posted by: steevy at July 06, 2016 03:23 PM (B48dK)

98 force a muslim bakery to bake a cake for gays or a Bar Mitzvah.
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Sorry Ben, we f*cked it up at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (jxbfJ)

yeah right as a Jew, I'd eat that cake?????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:23 PM (Ozsfq)

99 Do you cum here often, Mrs Lovejoy?

Posted by: r. ailes at July 06, 2016 03:23 PM (A/+my)

100 75 What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?
Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (WOPw

We better listen to him, because he speaks of the pompatus of love.

Posted by: josephistan at July 06, 2016 03:23 PM (7HtZB)

101 What comes after all this goofy-ass transgender shit?

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (6xtq3



Well we already had a Biblical Flood so....

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (MlXgU)

How much longer are we - as Americans (Amerikkans) going to put up with this before we cry ENOUGH!??

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Sorry Ben, we f*cked it up at July 06, 2016 03:23 PM (jxbfJ)

102 Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (WOPw

Hi, first-name-guy! Here: Dave, Pat, Steve, Jugdish, can you all make room on the couch there for Maurice?

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (69cHf)

103 91 I told you all I never met a Maurice i liked
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (Ozsfq)

He speaks of the pompatus of love. I hate that.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (RD7QR)

104 When would it even matter in a Church or Temple?

I don't remember my Rabbi her yelling from the Pulpit " Hey you, the faggot in the 3rd row, wanna shut the fuck up"?


perhaps the people with the preferred pronouns aren't in the seats......but in the pulpit.

Father John prefers to be called Mother Kaitlyn

Posted by: McCool at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (TQxRy)

105 There are no safe spaces for traditional values and conservative thought.

The left will pursue you to the ends of the earth and make sure every knee shall bend.

We are not voting our way out of our predicament.

War is coming, prepare.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (3Xxpy)

106 Something tells me we're not going to get to the election without bloodshed.

Posted by: rickl at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (zoehZ)

107 98
force a muslim bakery to bake a cake for gays or a Bar Mitzvah.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Sorry Ben, we f*cked it up at July 06, 2016 03:22 PM (jxbfJ)



yeah right as a Jew, I'd eat that cake?????





Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:23 PM (Ozsfq)
Or for a First Communion?Agree Nevergiveup - wouldn't eat it. But it would be fun to make them bake it.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Sorry Ben, we f*cked it up at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (jxbfJ)

108 So much for that fabled "separation of church and state".

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (vBeA5)

109 Common-Sense, Universal, Mandatory Sodomy For Your Sons! coming soon to the churches and schools near you.

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The Martyrs of Uganda said you're totally wrong.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (wmxwV)

110 96
If enforcement of the gaystapo's agenda hinges around public
accommodation, then perhaps it's time for normal folk to take their
activities into the non-public sphere?



Make everything a club which requires membership.

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Sounds like a plan.

Posted by: Augusta Country Club at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (XVTvT)

111 How much more will Christians take, before they stand up and be counted?

Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2016 03:25 PM (9221z)

112 Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (WOPw

Hi, first-name-guy! Here: Dave, Pat, Steve, Jugdish, can you all make room on the couch there for Maurice?
Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (69cHf)

OK that there is pretty funny. Bravo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:25 PM (Ozsfq)

113 Don't all gang up on Maurice.

I'm sure he's a lifelong republican, who is just concerned about the h8ful rhetoric being thrown around here.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 06, 2016 03:25 PM (KUaJL)

114 >>
What comes after all this goofy-ass transgender shit?


That IS a scary thought.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2016 03:25 PM (NOIQH)

115 What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?




I really want that Lamborgini and you should give it to me. My feelings will be hurt if you don't.

Posted by: Khat Man Lu at July 06, 2016 03:25 PM (SVQNi)

116 We will enforce tranny bathroom laws for the Federal government but we can't surveil mosques. That would be unconstitutional.

Posted by: the FBI at July 06, 2016 03:25 PM (A/+my)

117
A gay guy, a transgender and a Jew walk into a mosque...

Posted by: Yuks Yuks Yuks at July 06, 2016 03:25 PM (CjUiu)

118 5
Tuck n Cover

Posted by: garrett at July 06, 2016 03:07 PM (I8Bd1)
BWA hahaha

Posted by: goodluckduck at July 06, 2016 03:26 PM (yqvys)

119 So

When does the state dictate Dogma.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:26 PM (zOTsN)

120 Or for a First Communion?Agree Nevergiveup - wouldn't eat it. But it would be fun to make them bake it.
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Sorry Ben, we f*cked it up at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (jxbfJ)


OK I'll give ya that one!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:26 PM (Ozsfq)

121 If I feel like I'm black, can I receive preferential hiring and admissions treatment?

Also, do you guys remember when being gay was something people were born with? That went by the wayside after Obergefell.

Posted by: Randy Weaver's Revenge at July 06, 2016 03:26 PM (5sxfl)

122 I would just tell someone that insisted I use a certain set of pronouns to try their very best to accept the reality that they will not get what they want.

Period.

Posted by: eman at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (Py52h)

123 so if a doctor wants to give a prostate exam to a person who was gender identified as a female at birth but claims to be a man, will the doctor be subject to a gender discrimination suit if he refuses or be subject to a sexual harassment suit if he agrees?

And if a gyn refuses to do a pap smear for a... eww...

The surviving Python guys must be amazed that they didn't think up anything this crazy.

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (qSIlh)

124 So Overlords rule in times of peace?

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (MlXgU)

125
You guys never heard of Your Black Muslim Bakery? They murdered people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Black_Muslim_Bakery

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (iQIUe)

126 Not Missouri Synod, not Southern Baptist, not PCA, not nondenoms.

----

They all have invalid orders.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (wmxwV)

127 WOPR, there are several people who attend our current church, who carry. A warlord who showed up would get xisself filled with holes.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (FQKBL)

128 >>What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?

Nothing, provided it's not demanded by and enforced by the State.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (NOIQH)

129 Make everything a club which requires membership.

This could be our Benedictine Solution. The 'club' could be millions of like-minded people across the country who pay a nominal membership fee to access these 'safe' establishments.

Kinda like AARP or the NRA for people who want to be left the f*ck alone

Posted by: McCool at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (TQxRy)

130 Can the right to a church marriage be far behind?

B-b-b-.....Gabe assured me that would not happen!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (3hIZX)

131 Gee, its almost as if that slope really is slippery.

Gosh whoever could have predicted that?

Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (z/Ubi)

132 made to care, and to be sure you will be proclaiming your alliance from the highest mountain publicly.
Just as all the cake makers, caters, flower shops ect.
Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2016 03:20 PM (Yo9Lf)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. They're certainly welcome to try.

On a totally different subject, imagine a modern anesthesiologist's skill set in the context of mass resistance against a tyrannical central government. And everyone thinks guns are scary. *chuckle*

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at July 06, 2016 03:28 PM (JSwc2)

133 re earlier: force a muslim bakery to bake a cake for gay

Crowder has a video about his efforts in the field. go look for it, it's Crowder

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at July 06, 2016 03:28 PM (qSIlh)

134 What comes after all this goofy-ass transgender shit?



The Colosseum.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt...the anagram at July 06, 2016 03:28 PM (K4eq3)

135 How many "conservatives" tut-tutted those of us who said they'd never stop even if they got their fag marriage?

You can't have anti-discrimination laws and the 1st Amendment.

It's one or the other.

But, let's pretend that being mean to someone--even being racist--is the worst thing in the world ever.

Easier to lock Christians up for giving you the sads than moslums who'll gladly toss you off a roof just for being a fag.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 06, 2016 03:28 PM (77emZ)

136 106 Something tells me we're not going to get to the election without bloodshed.

Posted by: rickl at July 06, 2016 03:24 PM (zoehZ)

Well, there kind of already has been.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2016 03:28 PM (/CXhS)

137
New.... *approved* Loards Prayer.

Our.... fodder.... which cart in in Heaven...... hollow be your name.

Thy monarchy come, they will be done... inert... as it is in heaven.

The Feds give us our daily bread, and write off our debts, as we become your betters.

And lead us not onto plantation, but delivery us from weevils.

For MINE is the kingdom, and my power and theyll be sorry forever and ever.

Amen. errrrr. Ah-whoever you idntify as.



Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:29 PM (8XRCm)

138 And like that the other clauses of the 1st Amendment are being attacked. So let's see where we are with the bill of rights.

1. No right to speech, no right to petition the government for redress of rights (campaign finance laws), no freedom of religion, no right to free association (see the fights against RTW states and then the Tea Party/Conservative groups hunting), no right to press, nor even right to assembly.
2. Let's just strike this one out because death is scary and people do bad things
3. Does anyone even know about this?
4. We can talk about the evils of the NSA programs and then talk as well about the government abuse of civil forfeiture laws
5. All manner of due process violations. Then there is the abuses of the Grand jury systems
6. The campus rape kangaroo courts just about say that this is a verboten right.
7. How soon till the idea that Jury trials for even civil suits come under attack for not holding the right opinion?
8. From the college kangaroo courts to the push for conservative opinion holders to be shot on sight or sent to an American Gulag.
9. The idea of a bill of rights is just icky.
10. Even mention state rights and you might as well mention sticking folks back on plantations and bringing back slavery. All hail the power of the federal state.

So yeah, I think we can conclude that the whole Constitution and Bill of Rights is passŤ and deserves to be subjected to the dustbin of history. At least to the liberal mind.

Posted by: Charles at July 06, 2016 03:29 PM (CaSuR)

139 We had a transmutated check out clerk at the grocery store last week. Which, whatever. But my wife struck up a conversation because she's wonderful that way and this is still Texas, by God, and we're friendly.

Anyway I ended up at one point saying "no worries, dude."

As soon as I heard myself say it I started waiting for the siren to go off.

It's really not my fault if my amygdala decodes you as male and offers "dude" as the correct word to use in the situation.

And I refuse to have to add a whole filter layer to human interaction whose sole purpose is to actually distance us from reality in order to disrupt normalcy and more easily usher in the next great thing in social engineering on our way to Absolute Despotism.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 06, 2016 03:29 PM (FnuZG)

140 What's so wrong with observing Western society's norms, Maurice? What's so wrong with not insisting that 319 million people conform to the butthurt of 30k?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 06, 2016 03:29 PM (p2X2f)

141

Doughboy Morrissey alert:

R E V O L U T I O N


*fat boy gets vapors, faints*


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:29 PM (27m1/)

142 75:"What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?"

What about our feelings? You know, the normal people.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or TEXIT) at July 06, 2016 03:29 PM (yv7u6)

143 What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?

Under force of law.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 06, 2016 03:29 PM (3hIZX)

144 I have to wake up at some point. This nightmare is just getting too ridiculous to continue. C'mon, self, time to wake up.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 06, 2016 03:29 PM (AroJD)

145 Someone told me it's all happening at the zoo.
I do believe it. I do believe it's true.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 03:16


And the presumptive Democratic nominee is very fond of rum.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2016 03:30 PM (sNESL)

146 We're going to cross the border into Mexico to worship.

You know Mexico, the Land of the Free?

Posted by: Captain Oblivous at July 06, 2016 03:30 PM (z86n1)

147 Socons sound more "Muslim" than the Muslims they profess to hate.

Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:30 PM (WOPw8)

148

I gotta be honest. The people most invested in this whole transgender thing seem to be wealthy white people. Reeks of privilege don't it

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:30 PM (zOTsN)

149 Feeeelings of crybullies do not concern me.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:30 PM (oL4iq)

150 So Warlords are trans., like the Mad Max films?

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 06, 2016 03:31 PM (MlXgU)

151 I would just tell someone that insisted I use a certain set of pronouns to try their very best to accept the reality that they will not get what they want.





Want in one hand, shit in the other.
See which one fill up the quickest.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:31 PM (SvnHQ)

152 147 Socons sound more "Muslim" than the Muslims they profess to hate.

Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:30 PM (WOPw


ULULULULULULULULULULULULU!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2016 03:31 PM (/CXhS)

153 You will be made to be deferential to others' feelings.

Well, certain others.

Little trollkins doesn't see what a perfect Nazi he is.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 06, 2016 03:31 PM (3hIZX)

154 Oh, please, Maurice. Tell me what I believe.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:31 PM (oL4iq)

155 Did my grandparents file a grievance with the local civil rights commission after they were condemned from the pulpit and church members harassed them because they had the audacity to invite James Meredith over to dinner in 1962? No, they left the church and moved from Mississippi to... Iowa, which was a lot more "tolerant" back then.

Posted by: pookysgirl at July 06, 2016 03:31 PM (K27gs)

156 Socons sound more "Muslim" than the Muslims they profess to hate.
Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:30 PM (WOPw

You sound dumber than any socon you profess to hate.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 06, 2016 03:31 PM (4ugnK)

157
What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?
Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (WOPw
-------------------------

I don't know. Why not ask the people who won't defer to mine?

Posted by: iforgot at July 06, 2016 03:31 PM (pC96u)

158 What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?
Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:19 PM (WOPw

----

Nothing.

Forcing me to do it is with the strong arm of the law is.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:31 PM (8XRCm)

159 >>I gotta be honest. The people most invested in this whole transgender
thing seem to be wealthy white people. Reeks of privilege don't it

And the army of Gender Studies / Women's Studies graduates who are absolutely obsessed with this crap.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2016 03:32 PM (NOIQH)

160 Remember when the Left mocked Christian concerns over gay marriage and transgendered madness? I remember. Good times.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 06, 2016 03:32 PM (NilqO)

161 142 75:"What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?"

What about our feelings? You know, the normal people.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or TEXIT) at July 06, 2016 03:29 PM (yv7u6)



There are a couple of things in play here. First, "tolerance" is NOT "acceptance." That said, the Left does not seek either; they seek the capitulation and punishment of their political enemies, Civilization and the USA as founded. Homosexuals, mentally disturbed people/transgenders and every other minority group that they can convince to be aggrieved are merely there tools of convenience to achieve their goals.

This really is it, folks. End of the line.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:32 PM (27m1/)

162 I liked this comment y someone over air NR:

Religion is made up sky fairies, and ... let me tell you what is acceptable religious practice."
Not-so-sincerely,
#Tolerance

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:32 PM (frf5f)

163 We had a transmutated check out clerk at the grocery store last week. Which, whatever. But my wife struck up a conversation because she's wonderful that way and this is still Texas, by God, and we're friendly.



TexasDan, at Kroger?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:32 PM (SvnHQ)

164
One Name Guy. I see you got the welcome basket. Did you meet your cohort yet? No? Well. Come sit on the One Name Guy couch. Contemplate a nic. You clearly didn't get the memo

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:32 PM (zOTsN)

165 Socons sound more "Muslim" than the Muslims they profess to hate.
Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:30 PM (WOPw

----

Dont worry.

We're not going to kill you.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:33 PM (8XRCm)

166 Clubs won't work. The courts will simply demand that you accept anyone who asks to join.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 06, 2016 03:33 PM (X6mKj)

167
their, not there.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:33 PM (27m1/)

168 What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?

But some feelings are more equal than others, don'cha know ...

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2016 03:33 PM (sNESL)

169 The elites don't go to church; except for when they want to lie to the families of the dead about Youtube videos.

Posted by: Fritz at July 06, 2016 03:33 PM (oia+s)

170 Cake bakers?

They don't have feelings.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 06, 2016 03:33 PM (3hIZX)

171 What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?
Posted by: Maurice

----

Nothing.

Forcing me to do it is with the strong arm of the law is.
Posted by: fixerupper





Forcing me will get you shit you won't like.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:33 PM (SvnHQ)

172 17
1 Let them try.

Posted by: eman



They will indeed try, and then they will succeed, over and over, and
your face will be sandwiched between the hard concrete and the left's
waffle-stompers, and you will whimper, "Please sir, may I have some
more?"
===========
Exactly.

Christians aren't at the "chop off the heads of those who insult Christ" stage yet.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 06, 2016 03:34 PM (77emZ)

173 166 Clubs won't work. The courts will simply demand that you accept anyone who asks to join.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 06, 2016 03:33 PM (X6mKj)



First white congressman who demands admittance to the Congressional Black Caucus wins a cookie

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:34 PM (27m1/)

174 It's not fair that Maurice's hash translates to the cool emoji thingy in comments.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 06, 2016 03:34 PM (KUaJL)

175 Anyway I ended up at one point saying "no worries, dude."


----

I was drunk off my ass at a bar and one was hanging out so i went up and grabbed a fake boob while making honking noises. Seriously. We had a good laugh.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 03:34 PM (wmxwV)

176 What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?

I doubt any church is saying, You gave your name as Catherine but you really look like a Charlie to me so damnit, I'm going to call you Charlie"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:35 PM (frf5f)

177 166 Clubs won't work. The courts will simply demand that you accept anyone who asks to join.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 06, 2016 03:33 PM (X6mKj)

It'll buy some time until we figure something better out. Oh, and religious institutions would be wise to voluntarily surrender their tax-exempt status so there's one fewer lever to enforce compliance.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 06, 2016 03:35 PM (RD7QR)

178 Cake bakers?

They don't have feelings.


But they do have fillings. Yum.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 06, 2016 03:35 PM (2lndx)

179 What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?

Feeling don't trump reality.

Posted by: Billy Goat at July 06, 2016 03:35 PM (4WhSY)

180
First white congressman who demands admittance to the Congressional Black Caucus wins a cookie


Pff. They don't even let in black Republicans.

Because diversity.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 06, 2016 03:35 PM (3hIZX)

181 Maurice sounds like he wants feelings to take precedence over fact.

The party of science, ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 06, 2016 03:36 PM (PFy0L)

182 Cake bakers?

They don't have feelings.

But they do have fillings. Yum.

------

So do dentists.

fuckers

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:36 PM (8XRCm)

183 161
142 75:"What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?"



What about our feelings? You know, the normal people.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or TEXIT) at July 06, 2016 03:29 PM (yv7u6)





There are a couple of things in play here. First, "tolerance" is NOT
"acceptance." That said, the Left does not seek either; they seek the
capitulation and punishment of their political enemies, Civilization and
the USA as founded. Homosexuals, mentally disturbed people/transgenders
and every other minority group that they can convince to be aggrieved
are merely there tools of convenience to achieve their goals.



This really is it, folks. End of the line.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:32 PM (27m1/)So who wants to move to Texas?How about northern Montana near Canada - in case a "border run" is needed?

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed - Sorry Ben, we f*cked it up at July 06, 2016 03:36 PM (jxbfJ)

184 Maurice, you would be more convincing if you hadn't chosen a slur on hefty Italians as your hash.

For shame.

Posted by: and in this day and age! at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (2WoCi)

185 We will start at AME churches and Mosques. Check back for effectiveness and then move on to any other places of worship.

Posted by: dc at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (oY/R7)

186

One Name Guy I will show Muslims EXACTLY the same "tolerance" they show me

I will not elevate mental illness by deferring to it anymore than I would give a drug addict drugs or indulge the fantasies of someone with delusions

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (zOTsN)

187 so they have a right to be called whatever they want to be called, but I don't have a right to call them whatever I want to call them???

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (18h+i)

188 I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading that.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (QUoHK)

189 Uh.... where is it in the Constitution that they get to tell ME what to call them?

Isn't this the very antithesis of Freedom of Speech?

Posted by: Don Q. at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (qf6WZ)

190 A microaggression tool published by North Carolina State Universitys faculty ombuds informs the schools employees that phrases such as America is a land of opportunity or I believe the most qualified person should get the job, are microaggressions and shouldnt be used.

Weasel Zippers

Give an inch and the fuckers will take it all.

NOT ONE MORE INCH!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (Ozsfq)

191 Damnit!
It is time to have a national conversation about Overlords and Warlords. Pros and Cons. Which one is which.

Seriously!

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (MlXgU)

192 In Austin, most of the LbGBBQXYZ that I've had interactions with have been friendly and I'm friendly right back. I just treat them like normal people and it's worked for me. Of course, this has not been tried in central downtown.

Posted by: lindafell de spair-TEXIT!! at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (xVgrA)

193 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:32 PM (27m1/)So who wants to move to Texas?How about northern Montana near Canada - in case a "border run" is needed?

----

I could live with TEXAS running straight north to the Canadian border. Minnesota is obviously out tho.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:38 PM (8XRCm)

194 Canada is further down the PC road to destruction than we are.They just elected a retard because he makes the ladies wet and he's cool.

Posted by: steevy at July 06, 2016 03:38 PM (B48dK)

195 One Name Guy. I see you got the welcome basket. Did you meet your cohort yet? No? Well. Come sit on the One Name Guy couch.


Come meet Mohammet, Jugdish, Sidney and Clayton.

Posted by: Greg Marmalard at July 06, 2016 03:38 PM (8ZskC)

196 I don't understand this whole pronoun stuff anyway Are they handing out a sheet saying, "Don't call me "he." I'm "ze"? Don't refer to me as her. I'm "Zir.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:38 PM (frf5f)

197

Now Hear This! Now Hear This!

Anne Hathaway has been named a Goodwill Ambassador for Women by officials at the United Nations.

That is all.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2016 03:38 PM (sNESL)

198 The Left, and Islam...

Both want to control Speech, Religion, and take our Guns....

We must recognize who the enemies of Freedom are.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 06, 2016 03:38 PM (qf6WZ)

199 I will not elevate mental illness by deferring to it anymore than I would give a drug addict drugs


or indulge the fantasies of someone with delusions




They are fun to fuck with.
Giant bugs!!!! Ahhhhhh!!!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:39 PM (SvnHQ)

200

This is what happens when we put in power slobs like that fat fuck Deblassio.

What a fucking confused Commie screwup that guy is...but there he is, sitting mayor of NYC.

How does that actually happen...

I picture in my mind's eye, old shriveled up lefties looking all happy about being able to elect such a jackass, there and all over the country.

With that little weird leftie twinkle in their eye, getting back at Dad.


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz The Main Dude My Man Esq at July 06, 2016 03:39 PM (b1pRZ)

201

Yes.

One Name Guy take your cause to AME and mosques first


That should go well

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:39 PM (zOTsN)

202 44 When will all of the Socons finally die? They are nothing but an embarrassment that drives voters away.
Posted by: Maurice



Thats the sweet sweet Tolerance! I've come to expect from the Left.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 06, 2016 03:39 PM (NilqO)

203 93
Let them do this in a mosque first. Better yet, force a muslim bakery to bake a cake for gays or a Bar Mitzvah.


The moslem bakery would fill the cake with poison. And law enforcement would refuse to investigate the bakery. All the deaths caused would be ruled "coincidental."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 06, 2016 03:39 PM (AroJD)

204 307 days till this asshole leaves office.

I cannot even begin to imagine how much shit this fuck is going to pull between now and then.

And then we have a better than 50pct shot of minimum 4 years with a criminal cunt shit bag and her crime syndicate in the White House.

Son of bitch.

The US will not survive this.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2016 03:40 PM (3Xxpy)

205 >>I doubt any church is saying, You gave your name as Catherine but you
really look like a Charlie to me so damnit, I'm going to call you
Charlie"


Exactly. And if you don't feel welcomed by a church, find another. People select one church over another for all sorts of reasons, and some are more welcoming than others. It's not a bigotry thing, it's a people thing - one person's comfort in a particular gathering is completely subjective.

No, this whole thing reeks of intentional harassment by the now lawsuit-happy LGBT activists. They want to intimidate and force submission to their worldview.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2016 03:40 PM (NOIQH)

206 I can't see the LCMS giving in to this. Not with our current Synod President.
---
I can see our current crop of super-advanced leadership trained "We're totally not socialists like our father the devil" pastors going along with it.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 03:40 PM (3Liv/)

207 187 so they have a right to be called whatever they want to be called, but I don't have a right to call them whatever I want to call them???


Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (18h+i)


Yes, and they will use the Governments Power, to control YOUR speech...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 06, 2016 03:40 PM (qf6WZ)

208 Can the right to a church marriage be far behind?

Posted by: Ace at 03:04 PM


Can we please stop using the word "right" when talking about the coercive actions of a totalitarian government? These are not rights. They are something else entirely.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (TOk1P)

209 197

Now Hear This! Now Hear This!

Anne Hathaway has been named a Goodwill Ambassador for Women by officials at the United Nations.

That is all.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2016 03:38 PM (sNESL)

There's a joke about buttsecks in there somewhere but I'm too tired to probe for it.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (RD7QR)

210 What a fucking confused Commie screwup that guy is...but there he is, sitting mayor of NYC.

----

I want someone to aske DeBlassio "how did you marry an ex-lesbian, since they are born that way??"

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (8XRCm)

211 307 days till this asshole leaves office.


?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (3hIZX)

212 Perhaps Maurice should spend some time in Syria if he thinks that right wing Americans are the worst people in the world.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (KUaJL)

213 In Austin, most of the LbGBBQXYZ that I've had interactions with have been friendly and I'm friendly right back. I just treat them like normal people and it's worked for me. Of course, this has not been tried in central downtown.
Posted by: lindafell de spair-TEXIT!! at July 06, 2016 03:37 PM (xVgrA)

Unfortunately in Austin they have passed a unisex bathroom law for businesses. Businesses that have bathrooms must have a unisex bathroom.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (4ugnK)

214 119 So
When does the state dictate Dogma.
Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:26 PM (zOTsN)
-----------------
They already do.
Five priests in black robes, having duly examined the entrails of a chicken, declared that their own "enlightened" view of marriage was the only acceptable one throughout the land.
It must be embraced. It must be taught.
All else is rank heresy.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (T/5A0)

215 Transgenders go to church?

Posted by: wth at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (HgMAr)

216 There's a joke about buttsecks in there somewhere but I'm too tired to probe for it.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (RD7QR)

-----

I thought about innuendo...

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (8XRCm)

217 From now on, I demand you all use "hat/hats/hatself" pronouns and use my preferred title of "Hats Glorious Lordship of Time and Space, God-Emperor of the 5th Dimension, El Queso Grande hatself"... or else!!1!

Posted by: "Hats Glorious Lordship of Time and Space, God-Emperor of the 5th Dimension, El Queso Grande hatself at July 06, 2016 03:42 PM (vBeA5)

218 The ones I have met have been very friendly. But they do not have the right to dictate the operation of my house of worship. Any more than I could involuntarily commit them for their "beliefs".

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:42 PM (zOTsN)

219
I don't understand this whole pronoun stuff anyway Are they handing out a sheet saying, "Don't call me "he." I'm "ze"? Don't refer to me as her. I'm "Zir.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:38 PM (frf5f)
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And as I've asked before, why be all tranny about your identity anyway? Doesn't a transperson identify as a woman despite having a man's body and vice versa? Once they've made the transition, why don't they use the pronoun they feel they were born for?

I mean, why would a man go through surgery, hormone treatment, name change, etc, only to be called "xe"? I thought the whole point was to become female.

Posted by: iforgot at July 06, 2016 03:42 PM (pC96u)

220 Anne Hathaway has been named a Goodwill Ambassador for Women by officials at the United Nations.

That is all.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2016 03:38 PM (sNESL)

There's a joke about buttsecks in there somewhere but I'm too tired to probe for it.
Posted by: joncelli



It's a crappy joke anyway.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:42 PM (SvnHQ)

221 The US will not survive this.

The Texas led New Confederacy will be fine. It's the people's republics along both coasts that will suffer the most.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 06, 2016 03:42 PM (4WhSY)

222 I mentioned this a day or two ago but I believe the day is coming when the government will establish an official, approved state church, something like the Three Selfs Patriotic Church in China.
This church will teach only state-approved doctrine. Other churches will be forced underground. Which means serious choices for people pondering Christianity. It might also mean explosive growth.

None of this will apply to mosques. Everything they preach, including murder and mayhem has the government stamp of approval.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 06, 2016 03:42 PM (hJrjt)

223 Methos, are you LCMS? I'll admit I'm not familiar with who is in leadership right now except for Harrison.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 06, 2016 03:42 PM (FQKBL)

224 Our new Freedom of Worship policy is simple. If you don't enthusiastically approve of the LGBT lifestyle, you are FREE to worship in your existing church building, but you may not repair it, nor may you build a new church.

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 06, 2016 03:43 PM (z86n1)

225 Yeah, this is against pretty much 100% of our Free Exercise jurisprudence. I can't imagine it won't be struck down unanimously.

That said, who knows what the addition of a new radical to the Supreme Court could do?

Honestly, reading this from French, who refuses to vote for Donald Trump, and thus opposes the only available method of stopping Hillary from becoming president, is a bit much.

Want to see what true tyranny looks like? Give Hillary SCOTUS.

Posted by: Anti Antifa at July 06, 2016 03:43 PM (5AYoI)

226
307 days till this asshole leaves office.



I think it's 107 days. Please don't scare me like that again.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 06, 2016 03:43 PM (tf9Ne)

227 most of the LbGBBQXYZ that I've had interactions with have been friendly and I'm friendly right back. I just treat them like normal people and it's worked for me

----

They think they're people. Like Labrador Retrievers

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 03:43 PM (wmxwV)

228 Some people call hector Maurice.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 06, 2016 03:43 PM (z/Ubi)

229 Yes, and they will use the Governments Power, to control YOUR speech...
Posted by: Don Q. at July 06, 2016 03:40 PM (qf6WZ)

*****

This is why they are trying to define speech as actionable behavior. Behavior they can control by law.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 06, 2016 03:43 PM (M2zF+)

230 Hillary in AC says Christie would be better off 'doing his job' to get NJ economy going

... says the woman who was found to be extremely careless at her job.

Places where Hillary has done her job include Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Egypt etc...

She's got some balls on her, heh ?


Posted by: McCool at July 06, 2016 03:43 PM (TQxRy)

231 The US will not survive this.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2016 03:40 PM (3Xxpy)

I'm concerned about the US, but at the moment I'm more concerned about you, as you seem among the posters likely to have a apoplectic stroke 95% of the time when they post. The people who love you would be sorry to0 see that happen, I'm, sure.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:43 PM (frf5f)

232 Unfortunately in Austin they have passed a unisex bathroom law for businesses. Businesses that have bathrooms must have a unisex bathroom.
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But Uber/Lyft are unsafe!!!eleventy!!11!!!
See, I live here and didn't know that. I usually don't use public facilities anyways because, yuck!

Posted by: lindafell de spair-TEXIT!! at July 06, 2016 03:44 PM (xVgrA)

233 200 Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz The Main Dude My Man Esq at July 06, 2016 03:39 PM (b1pRZ)


The irony is DeBolshevik was elected with record low voter turnout.

Unfortunately, there is no real effective GOP in New York City at all. Rudy was kind of a fluke. A welcome fluke but a fluke nonetheless. And he's not really all that conservative to begin with.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:44 PM (27m1/)

234 I'm just saying I find the Overlords & Warlords debate to have greener grass with live horses living on it.

This sexual gender debate is littered with dead horses on dirty dirt.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 06, 2016 03:44 PM (MlXgU)

235 They are doing this because Christians do not kill them.


I guarantee that no attempt will be made to enforce this rule in mosques.


Do they really think that this is a good set of incentives?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at July 06, 2016 03:44 PM (QHgTq)

236 "208 Can the right to a church marriage be far behind?
"

They've already started pushing that shit in England. I'm sure we will see it here within the year.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (oL4iq)

237 Businesses that have bathrooms must have a unisex bathroom.

The bathroom in my Officer is unisex. It's pretty nice bathroom if I say so myself. High tech camera and everything

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (Ozsfq)

238
We have to now start thinking how citizens under the old Soviet Union thought. That is, how to beat or cope with a system that seeks to crush you.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (27m1/)

239 Since no one person can be expected to know *all* of the preferred pronouns they might use for every special snowflake-----

"comrade" will suffice, yes?

Posted by: JQ Flyover at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (044Fx)

240 What comes after all this goofy-ass transgender shit?

The Colosseum.
.............

Vomitoriums.

Posted by: wth at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (HgMAr)

241 Now Hear This! Now Hear This!

Anne Hathaway has been named a Goodwill Ambassador for Women by officials at the United Nations.

That is all.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2016 03:38 PM (sNESL)


Mr. Drysdale's secretary?


Not the most feminine of gals (IYKWIMAITYD).

Posted by: BurtTC at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (TOk1P)

242
216 There's a joke about buttsecks in there somewhere but I'm too tired to probe for it.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (RD7QR)

-----

I thought about innuendo...
Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (8XRCm)


You mean in-her-endo

Posted by: Buzzion at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (z/Ubi)

243 237 Businesses that have bathrooms must have a unisex bathroom.

The bathroom in my Officer is unisex. It's pretty nice bathroom if I say so myself. High tech camera and everything
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (Ozsfq)


You're not in Toto anymore, Kansas.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (27m1/)

244 My (once Catholic) Dad was telling me on the fourth of July that Islam is not a problem, but Christians are. Apparently, he's seen TV shows that depict a huge cabal of Christians preparing to take over the government and force everyone to believe, or something. Pastors, ministers, and priests everywhere are firing up their congregations to begin exterminating homosexuals, too. It's only a matter of time, he says.

Where would he hear this crap? I know he watches MSNBC exclusively for news. Is this what they report all day? It's like they're depicting the Westboro Baptist Church as representative of all Christians.

Posted by: Pyrocles at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (fVOPU)

245

Maurice


Go to a mosque and enforce this

I'll wait

Posted by: ThunderB at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (zOTsN)

246 147 Socons sound more "Muslim" than the Muslims they profess to hate.

Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:30 PM (WOPw


Hmmm... are SoCons trying to control YOUR speech? uh... no...

Are they trying to tell you what you can do religiously?... nope...

Are they trying to take your means of self defense away??? ... nyet....

And hell... I'm not even CLOSE to being a SoCon...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (qf6WZ)

247 I also see no problem with churches officiating gay and tran weddings. Is there a compelling reason for them not to? Of course not. Unless you count narrow minded bigotry.

Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (WOPw8)

248 Since no one person can be expected to know *all* of the preferred pronouns they might use for every special snowflake-----

"comrade" will suffice, yes?
Posted by: JQ Flyover at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (044Fx)

Not in DeCommio's NYC. They can fine you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (Ozsfq)

249 242 Posted by: Buzzion at July 06, 2016 03:45 PM (z/Ubi)


Innuendo is an Italian suppository.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (27m1/)

250 >>They are doing this because Christians do not kill them


Exactly. Transgenders don't attend mosque because they know they risk physical harm. See? No worries about pronouns at mosque!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (NOIQH)

251 Honestly, I don't care if you want to be an ass-pirate and sodomize your matey until the flies come home. It's disgusting, immoral and against God's will.

Now it's my First Amendment right to state that, whether you like it or not. Much the same as it's your right to lick some guys member in the privacy of your own home or play Smokey and the Butt Bandit.

But once you start to tell me I can't think or feel the way my religion or God instructs me to, you've become more then just a Pole Gobbler. you've become an anarchist and a nihilist, dedicated to coercion, subversion, intimidation and ruling by force.

At that point you've crossed the line and better prepare for the total war that would come to any enemy of individual freedom. Freedom's by the way you used as a ruse to intrude and steal those rights from other people. Which pisses me off even more that I provide even a small modicum of respect in the first place.

You want that? I'm very ready.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (O0lVq)

252 Posted by: iforgot at July 06, 2016 03:42 PM (pC96u)

Good point.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (frf5f)

253 so if some woman who is like 100 pounds overweight tries to flirt with me, I shouldn't say something intolerant like "I'm sorry, you must have confused me with a Dairy Farmer" or should I just stick to classic pick-up lines like "you don't sweat much for a fat broad"?

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (qSIlh)

254 When exactly did we vote in this Civil Rights Commission?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (tf9Ne)

255 @226

It's actually 197 days

Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (3Xxpy)

256 Or the right to sue you for not finding them attractive and refusing marriage offers.

"Well, she has the right to sue you because she propositioned you and you refused, merely because she has a larger penis then you do."

Posted by: David Mears at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (WFjXF)

257 Sometimes I think it's time for a little Deus Vult, because apparently being murderous means the left is scared to piss you off.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen at July 06, 2016 03:47 PM (Hj1vf)

258 They are doing this because Christians do not kill them.










Yet.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:47 PM (SvnHQ)

259 248 Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (Ozsfq)


The historic NYC salutation since time immemorial has been "hey asshole."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:47 PM (27m1/)

260 192
'In Austin, most of the LbGBBQXYZ that I've had interactions with have been friendly and I'm friendly right back.'

I guess you haven't met any strident, militant ones with law degrees and Fundamentalist grannies.

Posted by: Wendy at July 06, 2016 03:47 PM (bpemY)

261 mentioned this a day or two ago but I believe the day is coming when the government will establish an official, approved state church, something like the Three Selfs Patriotic Church in China.
This church will teach only state-approved doctrine. Other churches will be forced underground. Which means serious choices for people pondering Christianity. It might also mean explosive growth.

----

Look up the history of Nazi era churches. You'll be both frightened and heartened.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 03:47 PM (wmxwV)

262 comrade" will suffice, yes?
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Works for me. Next time I'm in a situation with any doubt, I'll pull out the comrade card. Genius.

Posted by: lindafell de spair-TEXIT!! at July 06, 2016 03:47 PM (xVgrA)

263 Unfortunately in Austin they have passed a unisex bathroom law for businesses. Businesses that have bathrooms must have a unisex bathroom.

---------------------

I don't care if there are two kinds of urinals in a single-occupant restroom as long as the door locks.

Posted by: iforgot at July 06, 2016 03:47 PM (pC96u)

264 It'd be nice if there was one of those periodic outbreaks of sanity some time soon.

Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2016 03:47 PM (9221z)

265 Make everything a club which requires membership.

That won't work for long.

They are hell bent on crushing any dissent and molding people into cheerleaders of the "correct" way of thinking.

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 06, 2016 03:48 PM (vBeA5)

266 It's a tiresome little fuck ain't it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2016 03:48 PM (Ozsfq)

267 Embrace their insanity; or else.

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2016 03:48 PM (Doh4+)

268 I also see no problem with churches officiating gay and tran weddings.
Is there a compelling reason for them not to? Of course not. Unless you
count narrow minded bigotry.


Is there a reason to compel them to?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 06, 2016 03:49 PM (4WhSY)

269 @226



It's actually 197 days

Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (3Xxpy)

See? Who says Kreplach can't be positive?

Posted by: Chupacabra at July 06, 2016 03:49 PM (F26eZ)

270 Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (WOPw

****

Now you're just embarassing yourself.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 06, 2016 03:49 PM (M2zF+)

271 OT Not sure if this is true or not, but there are reports that the Guccifer guy who hacked hillary's server and yakked to the FBI has committed suicide in the jail in Virginia that he was in.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 06, 2016 03:49 PM (iONHu)

272 Since no one person can be expected to know *all* of the preferred pronouns they might use for every special snowflake-----

"comrade" will suffice, yes?


A preferential "it" or cousin it.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt...the anagram at July 06, 2016 03:50 PM (B7Uun)

273 >>>Mr. Drysdale's secretary?
Not the most feminine of gals (IYKWIMAITYD).<<<

I never understood why Jethro did hit that like Granny with a live opossum.

Posted by: Fritz at July 06, 2016 03:50 PM (oia+s)

274 It's actually 197 days

Posted by: Kreplach>>>

Crap I looked it up and yes it is 197 Imust have just read what I wanted to read.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 06, 2016 03:50 PM (tf9Ne)

275 The theory of 100% subjective self-identification of gender is bizarre and (for obvious reasons) totally un-scientific. The embrace of this radical theory in such a short time span, to the point that better competing theories are now regarded as bigoted, is utter lunacy.

Polite accommodation of people in highly unusual predicaments, such as the intersexed, has now turned into a MANDATORY accommodation of every eccentric oddball's decision to role play all day long. It's as if I were being required to continue calling my friend "High Cleric Balthazar" at all times even when the Dungeons and Dragons session was over. I'm not going to call you High Cleric Balthazar in court or in church, and I'm not going to join your role playing gender fantasy unless you have something other than subjective self-identification to back that up, and that doesn't make me a bigot.

I have a different and much more objective theory of gender than they do, that's not oppression, that's called "independent thought".

Posted by: cjw at July 06, 2016 03:50 PM (onydf)

276 Not in DeCommio's NYC. They can fine you

Posted by: Nevergiveup


Yes, I read (and nearly puked) about that... (But doncha think DeCommio should be totally okay with "comrade" as a quick substitute?)

Posted by: JQ Flyover at July 06, 2016 03:50 PM (044Fx)

277 261
Look up the history of Nazi era churches. You'll be both frightened and heartened.
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 03:47 PM (wmxwV)

Bishop Galen of Munster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_August_Graf_von_Galen

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:50 PM (27m1/)

278 Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 03:46 PM (WOPw

And which church do you regularly attend every Sunday, Maurice?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:50 PM (frf5f)

279 Transgenders go to church?

Posted by: wth at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (HgMAr)



They go to places that used to be storefronts, and are now calling themselves churches.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 06, 2016 03:50 PM (TOk1P)

280 222 I mentioned this a day or two ago but I believe the day is coming when the government will establish an official, approved state church, something like the Three Selfs Patriotic Church in China.
This church will teach only state-approved doctrine. Other churches will be forced underground. Which means serious choices for people pondering Christianity. It might also mean explosive growth.

None of this will apply to mosques. Everything they preach, including murder and mayhem has the government stamp of approval.
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 06, 2016 03:42 PM
------------------------------------

I agree with everything you say, except I don't think it will be ONE Church. There will be several denominations and churches that will be state-approved, the ones that put Mein Kampf on the altar, metaphorically speaking.
The orthodox churches will go underground, one way or another.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 06, 2016 03:51 PM (T/5A0)

281 >>>>Transgenders go to church?



Posted by: wth at July 06, 2016 03:41 PM (HgMAr)







They go to places that used to be storefronts, and are now calling themselves churches.
.
.
.
.
.Hey now, there are tons of those here in Kentucky and they are legitimate and some have huge crowds.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 06, 2016 03:51 PM (iONHu)

282 Give us this day our daily buttsechs.

Posted by: LGBT sandwich at July 06, 2016 03:51 PM (HgMAr)

283 274 It's actually 197 days

Posted by: Kreplach>>>

Crap I looked it up and yes it is 197 Imust have just read what I wanted to read.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 06, 2016 03:50 PM (tf9Ne


As keeper of the calendar, we are at 197 days until Inauguration Day 2017.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2016 03:51 PM (27m1/)

284 "230
Hillary in AC says Christie would be better off 'doing his job' to get NJ economy going



... says the woman who was found to be extremely careless at her job.



Places where Hillary has done her job include Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Egypt etc...



She's got some balls on her, heh ?







Posted by: McCool at July 06, 2016 03:43 PM (TQxRy)"


Hey. She is a business genius. She traded cattle futures for just a few months and turned a $10,000 investment into $100,000. I bet Chris Christie can't do that. I bet you can't either.

The thing that I don't understand is that Hillary Clinton claims that her family was broke after they left the White House. You would think that with her phenomenal talent in the futures market that she would have just done some more trades in the cattle futures market to make some money, even if she found it so boring that she had quit after a few months the last time. I mean, family duty means working at a job that bores you when your family needs the money.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at July 06, 2016 03:52 PM (QHgTq)

285 iforgot. Locks are racist.

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2016 03:52 PM (Doh4+)

286 It'd be nice if there was one of those periodic outbreaks of sanity some time soon.
Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2016 03:47 PM (9221z)
__________________________________________


don't hold your breath

Posted by: IP at July 06, 2016 03:52 PM (Fol9S)

287 Transgenders are fucking crazy and should be locked up and treated for their sickness. How is "identifying" as a woman when you're a man or vice versa any different than "identifying" as a dog, or Napoleon, or a galldang popsicle?

I'm not saying anything against them...hell, I feel very bad for them as I would for any other mentally ill individual. But they are batshit crazy. Period. And you won't convince me otherwise.

Posted by: ajmojo at July 06, 2016 03:52 PM (1H9ox)

288 Genuine "Trans" people are mentally ill, quite rare, and suffer from a high suicide rate. An obvious question: how many trans sufferers actually asked for any of these absurd measures on their behalf.

Maybe it's like the Redskins naming outrage scam. A poll showed that 90% of actual American Indians are not offended by the name (a name which is actually a compliment anyway, since three of the players at the team's founding were Amer Inds and the name immortalizes that). A few selected 'activists' were dredged up from somewhere, and off went the propaganda machine and the crowds of celebrity lemmings to erase American Indian sports history on behalf of non-victims who never asked for it.

There was an actual trans guy at my last job, had the surgery, hormones, etc. He's a scientist, very accomplished, does his job, returns value to the company, and actually had a marriage and children before changing. He never made these sorts of demands. Just did his thing and asked for nothing special. I regarded him as someone with a medical condition that statistically at least, puts him at risk.

For whatever value anecdotal evidence has.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 06, 2016 03:53 PM (/f6Nd)

289 >>Not in DeCommio's NYC. They can fine you


Here's the thing about De Blasio's transgender law - a good portion of the listed "gender identities" are related to how people dress, such as: cross-dresser, drag queen, butch. Which means....their gender identity can change with a change of clothes. Today I'm in a dress, so call me "Lola" and use female pronouns. Tomorrow, I'll wear chinos, so you now must call me "Maurice" and use male pronouns. How on earth is someone supposed to be legally responsible for keeping track of this moving target in order to use the proper pronouns each day?

Also, I think this is to intentionally expand the people covered by the law, since true transgenders - the people who are actively in the process/completed the process of having gender reassignment - is a very small portions of the population. By including all the cross-dressing people, as well as special snowflakes who declare themselves something like "gender gifted" this give many more people the opportunity to sue/harass people for "mis-gendering" them.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2016 03:53 PM (NOIQH)

290 don't hold your breath
Posted by: IP at July 06, 2016 03:52 PM (Fol9S)


I'm blaming global warming

Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2016 03:53 PM (9221z)

291 "The surviving Python guys must be amazed that they didn't think up anything this crazy.

Posted by: mallflower Rodham Clinton at July 06, 2016 03:27 PM (qSIlh)"
Actually, they did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgp9MPLEAqA

Posted by: goozer at July 06, 2016 03:54 PM (bOuUd)

292 This whole gender-neutral bathroom fad will end once women realize what pigs men (sorry people with penies) are and how nasty our bathrooms can get.

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2016 03:54 PM (Doh4+)

293 I guess it less rude to hand them a clip board and a pencil. With a survey asking, "my preferred gender is_______ I like to be called________" . I think that will work well, don't you?//

FFS just say, excuse me, I didn't catch your name.

Posted by: lindafell de spair-TEXIT!! at July 06, 2016 03:55 PM (xVgrA)

294 >>>Businesses that have bathrooms must have a unisex bathroom.

Time for the proliferation of single occupancy restrooms.

Posted by: davidt at July 06, 2016 03:55 PM (XVTvT)

295 Never to be known for certain however, attendance at Masonic lodges and their other gathering places is increasing.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt...the anagram at July 06, 2016 03:55 PM (B7Uun)

296 "271
OT Not sure if this is true or not, but there are reports that the
Guccifer guy who hacked hillary's server and yakked to the FBI has
committed suicide in the jail in Virginia that he was in.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 06, 2016 03:49 PM (iONHu)"


Was it in his jail cell or in Fort Marcy Park?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at July 06, 2016 03:55 PM (QHgTq)

297 Tranny? Jethro Bodine ... or... Jethrena?

http://tinyurl.com/hcqgkdb

Posted by: OK, Thanks, sock now off! at July 06, 2016 03:56 PM (ucB75)

298 or a galldang popsicle?

It was a joke, OK?

Posted by: Korben Dallas at July 06, 2016 03:56 PM (4WhSY)

299 Atheists should take note of the bible's prophecies . It can't just be a coincidence.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 06, 2016 03:56 PM (4ugnK)

300 Methos, are you LCMS? I'll admit I'm not familiar with who is in leadership right now except for Harrison.
---
I'm a member of an LCMS congregation. I'm the guy that spends an hour of Bible study for two weeks in a row arguing with the pastor why he can't pretend away scripture due to cultural bias just because he wants women serving Communion, which would put them on the Board that is supposed to be providing oversight to him.

I'm the guy who stormed out on the last pastor we had because he was preaching motherfucking communism and divine right of kings from the pulpit because he wanted to do a happy dance over the Robert's first obamacare ruling.

Aside from being a member of the congregation, I don't really think of myself as a Lutheran as the whole left-handed kingdom of God doctrine is hopelessly irreparable bullshit.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 03:56 PM (3Liv/)

301 Transgenders are fucking crazy and should be locked up and treated for their sickness. How is "identifying" as a woman when you're a man or vice versa any different than "identifying" as a dog, or Napoleon, or a galldang popsicle?

-----

If you call his tail a leg, how many legs would a dog have???






4 .

Calling a thing by another name doesn't change what it is.

~Shit Abe Lincoln Said.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 03:56 PM (8XRCm)

302 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 06, 2016 03:51 PM (T/5A0)

I have occasionally been attending the Orthodox Church with the priest who is retired from being a military chaplain, and must be about 6'6 at the least. He's in his mid fifties but i wouldn't want to make him mad; I don't think he's be on board with the extreme political correctness. if the churches force this, there are people who aren't military chaplains and who aren't 6'6 who will be going to jail. The government has no authority to tell me who i shall perform marriages for or approve the content of my sermons.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 03:56 PM (frf5f)

303 Is their another psychological condition that leads to self-mutilation and suicide at anywhere near the rate of trans-gnerderism that isn't treated with protective confinement?

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2016 03:56 PM (Doh4+)

304 The theory of 100% subjective self-identification of gender is bizarre and (for obvious reasons) totally un-scientific. The embrace of this radical theory in such a short time span, to the point that better competing theories are now regarded as bigoted, is utter lunacy.

Posted by: cjw at July 06, 2016 03:50 PM (onydf)


But it's still the state-approved truth...

Posted by: Trofim Lysenko at July 06, 2016 03:56 PM (vBeA5)

305 I live in outlying suburbs of big city and do not know a single fucking trans. Tough to get worked up about this / it's a waste of lawmakers time, and feeds a bunch of corporate bullshit make-work, but no real impact.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 06, 2016 03:57 PM (qi/97)

306 Bishop Galen of Munster.

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Not what I meant. The Nazis established a state church to subvert the native Lutheran Church. They refused up until they were forcibly removed. And then that church failed.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 03:58 PM (wmxwV)

307 "Is there a compelling reason for them not to? Of course not."

Eternal damnation is pretty fucking compelling.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:58 PM (oL4iq)

308 >>OT Not sure if this is true or not, but there are reports that the

Guccifer guy who hacked hillary's server and yakked to the FBI has

committed suicide in the jail in Virginia that he was in.


Bradley "Chelsea" Manning attempted suicide per TMZ.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2016 03:58 PM (NOIQH)

309 >>>Not sure if this is true or not, but there are reports that the Guccifer guy who hacked hillary's server and yakked to the FBI has committed suicide in the jail in Virginia that he was in.<<<

I thought that was Chelsea Manning in Kansas.

Posted by: Fritz at July 06, 2016 03:58 PM (oia+s)

310
292 This whole gender-neutral bathroom fad will end once women realize what pigs men (sorry people with penies) are and how nasty our bathrooms can get.
Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2016 03:54 PM (Doh4+)



I don't know. There have been several discussions here about how disgusting women's restrooms can be as well.


The true brewing point will be when the seat keeps being left up in the women's restroom

Posted by: Buzzion at July 06, 2016 03:59 PM (Ai8Me)

311 OT Not sure if this is true or not, but there are reports that the
Guccifer guy who hacked hillary's server and yakked to the FBI has committed suicide in the jail in Virginia that he was in.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman


Was it in his jail cell or in Fort Marcy Park?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole





Supposedly de-bunked. Not true.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:59 PM (SvnHQ)

312 Guccifer, manning, what difference, at this point, does it make?//

Posted by: lindafell de spair-TEXIT!! at July 06, 2016 04:00 PM (xVgrA)

313 Not sure if this is true or not, but there are reports that the


Guccifer guy who hacked hillary's server and yakked to the FBI has


committed suicide in the jail in Virginia that he was in.


Did he shoot himself in the face, twice?

Posted by: JQ Flyover at July 06, 2016 04:00 PM (044Fx)

314 This whole gender-neutral bathroom fad will end once women realize what pigs men (sorry people with penies) are and how nasty our bathrooms can get.
Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2016 03:54 PM (Doh4+)



I don't know. There have been several discussions here about how disgusting women's restrooms can be as well.

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I worked a janitor when I was young for a while.

Womens Rooms were consistently trashier and dirtier than the mens.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 04:00 PM (8XRCm)

315 That must be frustrating, Methos. I know a bunch of the lefty types, but also know a bunch of very conservative Lutherans in regards to their faith.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 06, 2016 04:00 PM (FQKBL)

316

They go to places that used to be storefronts, and are now calling themselves churches.
.
.
.
.
.Hey now, there are tons of those here in Kentucky and they are legitimate and some have huge crowds

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They must be Salvation Army.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 04:00 PM (wmxwV)

317 Is there a reason to compel them to?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 06, 2016 03:49 PM (4WhSY)


Yes. To stop the mindless hate too many feel free to spew.

Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 04:01 PM (WOPw8)

318 but there are reports that the
Guccifer guy who hacked hillary's server and yakked to the FBI has committed suicide in the jail in Virginia that he was in.

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Hung himself with his hands tied behind his back??

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 04:01 PM (8XRCm)

319 Hillary in AC says Christie would be better off 'doing his job' to get NJ economy going

... says the woman who was found to be extremely careless at her job.

Places where Hillary has done her job include Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Egypt etc...

She's got some balls on her, heh ?

---------------------------------------------------

Since yesterday she has already attacked Trump for how he runs his business. One might think she would be just a little bit...humble...maybe a bit chastened... even for just a while.

We ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: RM at July 06, 2016 04:01 PM (U3LtS)

320 Isn't it sort of offensive to ask someone what pronoun they want? Its sort of like, you're so weird looking I don't know what you are.

Posted by: Pj at July 06, 2016 04:01 PM (20JTc)

321 New Kroger Superstore, one stall one urinal.


Posted by: Patina Awry Newt...the anagram at July 06, 2016 04:01 PM (B7Uun)

322 Your freedom of expression, including relgious express is gone.

You will be denied employment because you said something politically incorrect, since the mere presence of a H8r will be considered "workplace harassment"

You will be denied service because you said something politically incorrect, since failure to kick you out will cause "workplace harassment".

They will say that you are still free to say and worship as you want, but that doesn't protect you from the "consequences" of your actions because businesses are private and that they are free to associate with you or not... and they will say this with doublethink working in overdrive...

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 06, 2016 04:02 PM (vBeA5)

323 >>>>> This whole gender-neutral bathroom fad will end once women realize what
pigs men (sorry people with penies) are and how nasty our bathrooms can
get.

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2016 03:54 PM (Doh4+)







I don't know. There have been several discussions here about how disgusting women's restrooms can be as well.



----



I worked a janitor when I was young for a while.



Womens Rooms were consistently trashier and dirtier than the mens.
.
.
.
.I worked as a Janitor in a factory. Women's rest rooms are disgusting and way worse than anything I ever found in the Men's rooms.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 06, 2016 04:02 PM (iONHu)

324 In other news ISIS is now boiling people to execute them. PEACE, y'all!!

Posted by: lindafell de spair-TEXIT!! at July 06, 2016 04:02 PM (xVgrA)

325 Yes. To stop the mindless hate too many feel free to spew.

Then repeal the first amendment. That's what you really want.

Posted by: Korben Dallas at July 06, 2016 04:02 PM (4WhSY)

326 Isn't it sort of offensive to ask someone what
pronoun they want? Its sort of like, you're so weird looking I don't
know what you are.

Posted by: Pj at July 06, 2016 04:01 PM (20JTc)

Remember those It's Pat! SNL skits? Weren't those a lot of fun?

Posted by: Chupacabra at July 06, 2016 04:03 PM (F26eZ)

327 I need a sock manager.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 06, 2016 04:03 PM (4WhSY)

328 To stop the mindless hate too many feel free to spew.

Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 04:01 PM


So, Maurice, may I call you Maurice? I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings. You believe that silencing someone will stop them from hating you?

Posted by: Khat Man Lu at July 06, 2016 04:03 PM (SVQNi)

329 Yes. To stop the mindless hate too many feel free to spew.

Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 04:01 PM (WOPw

Somebody needs to be more tolerant of Islamists.

Posted by: davidt at July 06, 2016 04:03 PM (XVTvT)

330 TexasDan, at Kroger?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:32 PM (SvnHQ)


No, place in Austin.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 06, 2016 04:03 PM (FnuZG)

331 I think the whole "transgender" issue is maximally Orwellian.

It goes beyond 2+2=5.

It cuts to the very marrow of reality itself.

You will be made to regard this person who is clearly of one sex as another sex.

If they win that they win everything.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2016 04:04 PM (3Xxpy)

332 Yes. To stop the mindless hate too many feel free to spew.
Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 04:01 PM (WOPw

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Somehow I get the feeling you "hate" us here.... so.....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 06, 2016 04:04 PM (8XRCm)

333 "You will be made to regard this person who is clearly of one sex as another sex. "

Cultural gas lighting.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at July 06, 2016 04:04 PM (oL4iq)

334 and how nasty our bathrooms can get.
Posted by: Jean
..................

So that what high heeled platforms are for?

Posted by: wth at July 06, 2016 04:05 PM (HgMAr)

335 In other news ISIS is now boiling people to execute them. PEACE, y'all!!

----+

Copy cats

Posted by: African Tribesmen at July 06, 2016 04:06 PM (wmxwV)

336 Sock away

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at July 06, 2016 04:07 PM (wmxwV)

337 "In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."

Theodore Dalrymple


Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 06, 2016 04:07 PM (/f6Nd)

338 In other news ISIS is now boiling people to execute them








We need Federal regulations of Hot Tubs. Federally mandated thermal control of all showers, and hot tubs, and anywhere hot water might be found. For the Children.

Posted by: Khat Man Lu at July 06, 2016 04:08 PM (SVQNi)

339 >>>Isn't it sort of offensive to ask someone what
pronoun they want? Its sort of like, you're so weird looking I don't know what you are.<<<

This is why I'd usually say, "Hey fatass, we're about to start this piece of equipment in about three seconds, so you better get the fuck out of the way, pronto."

Posted by: Fritz at July 06, 2016 04:08 PM (oia+s)

340 "In other news ISIS is now boiling people to execute them. PEACE, y'all"

Ouch. Like an idiot I picked up a hot plate today and got a nice burn before I dropped it. That boiling/burning stuff is real nasty.

Posted by: RM at July 06, 2016 04:09 PM (U3LtS)

341 .....and Saunas. No Sauna should ever be hotter than 98 degrees.

Posted by: Khat Man Lu at July 06, 2016 04:09 PM (SVQNi)

342 In other news ISIS is now boiling people to execute them. PEACE, y'all!!

----+

Copy cats

Posted by: African Tribesmen at July 06, 2016 04:06 PM (wmxwV)
...............

Amateurs.

Posted by: Pygmy Cannibals at July 06, 2016 04:10 PM (HgMAr)

343 Yes. To stop the mindless hate too many feel free to spew.

It's simply a power thing,. Maurice, because there are plenty of churches whichwill perform marriages for gay people. Throw a stick in any large Metropolitan City and you will find them and in small cities too. Churches that have rainbow flags outside their sanctuaries will generally do it. So why force the RCC or the Orthodox Church or the LCMS or the Orthodox jewish congregations, etc to perform weddings? Heck you can find people on the internet who willl gladly perform a wedding for anyone if you pay them enough money.

Some people just like to have their boot on the face of others. Maybe you're one of them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 04:10 PM (frf5f)

344 Yes. To stop the mindless hate too many feel free to spew.

Posted by: Maurice at July 06, 2016 04:01 PM (WOPw


Forcing me to do something puts me in a loving fucking mood let me tell ya.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2016 04:11 PM (/CXhS)

345 JV Squad.

Posted by: Pygmy Cannibals at July 06, 2016 04:12 PM (HgMAr)

346 CONFORM, it is the way.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt...the anagram at July 06, 2016 04:12 PM (B7Uun)

347 LCMS = liquid chromatography mass spectrometry?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 06, 2016 04:12 PM (/f6Nd)

348 299 Atheists should take note of the bible's prophecies . It can't just be a coincidence.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck



Likewise, Christians should take hope in those prophesies. God is with them. Trust in Him. Its going to get bad, then worse, but there is Hope. Our time on earth is brief but Heaven is eternal.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 06, 2016 04:13 PM (NilqO)

349
I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2016 04:13 PM (dJec7)

350 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2016 04:11 PM (/CXhS)

LOl. That's true, to say nothing of the fact that if you're trying to force a minister you probably don't know to do a wedding he's/she's opposed to you aren't exactly starting your married life in a climate of "Love is patient. Love is kind" etc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 04:13 PM (frf5f)

351 330 TexasDan, at Kroger?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 03:32 PM (SvnHQ)

No, place in Austin.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 06, 2016 04:03 PM (FnuZG)



Ahh. Ok.
Thought this state got a whole lot smaller for a minute.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 04:13 PM (SvnHQ)

352 "Maybe it's like the Redskins naming outrage scam. A poll showed that 90% of actual American Indians are not offended by the name"


That is mainly pushed by the likes of Mike Florio, Bob Costas and Peter King. Florio got very pissy when that poll came out recently.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 06, 2016 04:13 PM (OD2ni)

353 LOl. That's true, to say nothing of the fact that if you're trying to force a minister you probably don't know to do a wedding he's/she's opposed to you aren't exactly starting your married life in a climate of "Love is patient. Love is kind" etc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 04:13 PM (frf5f)


*looks down at the ground*

sorry for cursing Fenelon


Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2016 04:15 PM (/CXhS)

354 From Drudge: Bernie "Day Late and Dollar Short" Sanders says, "Whoa, boy, that Hillzebub email thing stinks!"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 04:15 PM (Nwg0u)

355 I worked as a Janitor in a factory. Women's rest rooms are disgusting and way worse than anything I ever found in the Men's rooms.




Guy drops a paper towel, he picks it up.
Woman drops a paper towel, oooooh, fucking icky! Don't touch!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 04:17 PM (SvnHQ)

356 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 06, 2016 04:15 PM (/CXhS)

No need to apologize to me. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 04:17 PM (frf5f)

357 God is with them. Trust in Him. Its going to get bad, then worse, but there is Hope. Our time on earth is brief but Heaven is eternal.



That was the sermon Sunday before last. Preacher thinks the beast known as Hilda will win.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt...the anagram at July 06, 2016 04:17 PM (B7Uun)

358 If I'm shopping for a particular item (especially an expensive or custom item) I will check the price/availability at several places before making the purchase.

If a store doesn't have the item I want, I'll go somewhere else.

Simple. And yet, too complicated for "Maurice"

Posted by: JQ Flyover at July 06, 2016 04:17 PM (044Fx)

359 That must be frustrating, Methos. I know a bunch of the lefty types, but
also know a bunch of very conservative Lutherans in regards to their
faith.
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It is. There are several guys in the congregation who will complement (either) pastor for his thoughtful approach in public and then when no one's in earshot, tell me how much they appreciate someone keeping up the fight. They're older and not quite as nimble in the argument, but I with they'd speak up when the conversation is occurring.

When we've voted on stuff like this in the past we've held the line (most notably the old pastor had this hot new idea that instead of overseeing him, every board should *answer to him* that was one vote short the second time he pushed it), but I keep looking around and seeing more new faces and fewer of the old ones I had confidence in.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 04:17 PM (3Liv/)

360 This is just going to get worse.

Better start preparing now for having to keep your beliefs going sub rosa. Secret meetings and groups. Dissiminating "incorrect" writings without getting caught. &c.

Perhaps Pixy should start up an Onion site for the HQ...

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 06, 2016 04:19 PM (vBeA5)

361 What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?
Posted by: Maurice

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I completely agree with Maurice. Why can't idiotic liberals and mentally ill gender-confused people be deferential to others' feelings?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 06, 2016 04:19 PM (7ZVPa)

362 Perhaps Pixy should start up an Onion site for the HQ...




I vote for Vidalia!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at July 06, 2016 04:21 PM (SvnHQ)

363 LCMS = liquid chromatography mass spectrometry?



Landing Craft Medium Size


Posted by: Khat Man Lu at July 06, 2016 04:22 PM (SVQNi)

364 @289 What we would label as "cross-dressers" aren't the ones with the bizarre theories about gender identity. This new wave of nonsense is being fueled by the radical left kiddos on Tumblr and places like that, who've merged gender identity theory with a hodge podge of bad sociology and even worse psychology. Crossdressers are typically older, and may have female personas but don't "identify" as women, at least not in the quasi-mystical way that the gender-obsessed trans* activists do. Ditto for "drag queens", who are basically just crossdressing performance artists. Those groups are men doing an activity that involves female clothing and costumes.

The ones who'll get offended at being "misgendered" are the transgenders, who have a huge commitment to gender essentialism and a fragile self___. Piercing the bubble of their belief that they are the gender they claim to be shatters their illusion, and they are in most cases using the gender role play illusion to compensate for whatever their actual problem is.

In the early days of internet chat, Usenet and the like, it was common on boards with a lot of teens to find a ton of self-diagnoses of bizarre psychiatric disorders. It gets attention, mostly garners support and sympathy, and makes you seem unique if you don't have anything tangible to make you unique. The rise of transgenderism on the internet is just the new wave of that, mostly.

Posted by: cjw at July 06, 2016 04:22 PM (onydf)

365 This is how wars start. Seriously.

Like terrifying, horrible shooting wars.

Posted by: DocJ at July 06, 2016 04:23 PM (5Nr9V)

366 We need to look to history for an answer, particularly 16th and 17th century England. Priest holes, soon to be a thing again.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 04:24 PM (Nwg0u)

367 If I'm shopping for a particular item (especially an expensive or custom item) I will check the price/availability at several places before making the purchase.

Capitalist Pig!

Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2016 04:24 PM (Doh4+)

368 @289 What we would label as "cross-dressers" aren't the ones with the bizarre theories about gender identity. This new wave of nonsense is being fueled by the radical left kiddos on Tumblr and places like that, who've merged gender identity theory with a hodge podge of bad sociology and even worse psychology.

Posted by: cjw at July 06, 2016 04:22 PM (onydf)


Tumblr is not the cause of this, but a result and reflaction of the insanity in academia.

Check out http://twitter.com/realpeerreview

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 06, 2016 04:26 PM (vBeA5)

369 ! Corinthians 13 adapted by Steve and Reeve, leaders in the militant gay movement

Love is patient,(I)

YOU BETTER DAMN WELL PERFORM THE WEDDING FOR US, YOU BIGOTED SOB AND YOU BETTER DO IT WHEBER WE WANT IT!

love is kind.

WHAT? YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LOVE, YOU CRETINOUS BASTARD?

It does not envy,

IF YOU DON:T PEFORM THIS WEDDING I"M GOING TO SUE YOU AND YOUR CHURCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE


it does not boast,


IF YOU DON"T DO IT YOU"LL GE WHAT:S COMING TO YOU!

it is not proud.(J)

W"RE ENTItLED TO THIS, DAMNIT. WE DESERVE TO HAVE OUR WEDDING IN THE PRETTY RC CHURCH WITH THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS


5 It does not dishonor others,

DON"T YOU DARE OBJECT, BIGOT


it is not self-seeking

ITS NOT ABOUT US. IT"S ABOUT RIGHTS!!


K) it is not easily angered,(

DON"T MAKE ME HAUL OFF AND PUNCH YOU


L) it keeps no record of wrongs.(M) 6 Love does not delight in evil(N) but rejoices with the truth.(O) 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.(P)


Uhhhh huh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 04:26 PM (frf5f)

370 WHEBER WE WANT IT!=WHENEVER WE WANT IT.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 04:27 PM (frf5f)

371
From Drudge: Bernie "Day Late and Dollar Short" Sanders says, "Whoa, boy, that Hillzebub email thing stinks!"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 04:15 PM (Nwg0u)








Maybe he should have reconsidered that "I'm sick of hearing about Hillary's emails" crack.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2016 04:27 PM (dJec7)

372 LCMS = liquid chromatography mass spectrometry?
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Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod. There are a couple of synods that have been consistently more conservative than us, but we're barely big enough to show up statistically, and I guess they aren't.

At least, I mean in reference to the party affiliation chart in the ONT a few nights back. I suppose it's nice that we we're fourth on the list, but we're headed the wrong way at the congregation level (at least from what I see), but Roman Catholics (which I assume included everyone who calls themselves such, not regular attendees who would have ranked quite well by themselves) were indistinguishable from the general population, and there are as many of them as everyone else on the list combined.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 04:27 PM (3Liv/)

373
I'm a member of an LCMS congregation. I'm the
guy that spends an hour of Bible study for two weeks in a row arguing
with the pastor why he can't pretend away scripture due to cultural bias
just because he wants women serving Communion, which would put them on
the Board that is supposed to be providing oversight to him.


Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 03:56 PM (3Liv/)

A common position, and one actually at odds with Paul, to say nothing of Christ Himself.
A thorough study on the original Greek and the nature of Paul's letters are required at this point. Paul did not believe nor did he say in his original letters that women were subject to men in general, and his description of marital responsibilities was revolutionary at the time.
You are in error in this point, and do no favors to anyone in the congregation in pursuing it.


Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 06, 2016 04:28 PM (6JL3d)

374 >>>The rise of transgenderism on the internet is just the new wave of that, mostly.

Ding ding ding!! Every single instance I have seen on the nets bitching about mish endearing has been early 20s special snowflake with fantasy identity.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 06, 2016 04:28 PM (qi/97)

375
What's so wrong about being deferential to others' feelings?
Posted by: Maurice






Fuck their feelings.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2016 04:28 PM (dJec7)

376 If the left continues down this path, there will be no Christians remaining to protect them from the N@zis or Isl@mists. C'est la vie.

Posted by: setnaffa at July 06, 2016 04:28 PM (jl6Ly)

377 That's true, to say nothing of the fact that if you're trying to force a minister you probably don't know to do a wedding he's/she's/xe's/xir's/xotherthing's opposed to

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 04:29 PM (Nwg0u)

378 Mish endearing = misgendering. Auto cucumber should be fined!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 06, 2016 04:30 PM (qi/97)

379 xe's/xir's/xotherthing's opposed to

Those ministers probably wouldn't have a problem with those weddings

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 04:30 PM (frf5f)

380 I blame the guy who started it all, Flip Wilson.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 04:31 PM (Nwg0u)

381 369---Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 04:26 PM --------------------------------------
Good one, Fen!
Very good indeed!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 06, 2016 04:33 PM (T/5A0)

382 This is how wars start. Seriously.



Like terrifying, horrible shooting wars.
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The ones where I say God is on my side and all my enemies serve the Devil?

Because that's the corner the left and the moderates who enable them are pushing us into. And yes I know that half of that's a more prideful than theology, but I currently prefer it to the notion that were suppose to happily be fed to lions to make a point.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 04:34 PM (3Liv/)

383 For those interested in the role of women in the Church, and how Paul's original model (more accurately, Christ's) has been subverted over the past couple thousand years, I would recommend beginning with the book What Paul Really Said About Women by John T. Bristow. Another good starting point would be a long document at christianthinkthank dot com under Series, Syllabi, and Larger Studies.


The field of this study is much larger than either of these two works, but they will make for an excellent jumping-off point. I would greatly encourage anyone and everyone to read these documents in detail and with a prayerful spirit. >.> This is important stuff.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 06, 2016 04:37 PM (6JL3d)

384 Look on the bright side. If Trump loses then this will allow some of his supporters to scapegoat socons for another GOP loss.

Posted by: Seymour, the intern at July 06, 2016 04:37 PM (XiVKO)

385 that's Christianthinktank not thank.


English is hard, work's over, I'm hungry, et cetera.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 06, 2016 04:39 PM (6JL3d)

386 Check the Obozo Stepin Fetchit vid on WZ.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 06, 2016 04:47 PM (Nwg0u)

387 A common position, and one actually at odds with Paul, to say nothing of Christ Himself.
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Paul was in the habit of sloppily passing his opinion off as God's. As such anything he asserts must be checked against other scripture in order to determine that it's valid. God never put women in authority aside from the direst of circumstances (Deborah) and even then it was solely for the purposes of humiliating the men into flying right.

The idea that women are equal, which is to say, interchangeable with men, and suited for all the tasks we were created for, is not of God but of Satan's kingdom. It is one of the great sources of ruin in this country (universal suffrage), a fact that could easily have been predicted from its nonsensical nature.
---
A
thorough study on the original Greek and the nature of Paul's letters
are required at this point. Paul did not believe nor did he say in his
original letters that women were subject to men in general, and his
description of marital responsibilities was revolutionary at the time.
You are in error in this point, and do no favors to anyone in the congregation in pursuing it.
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He did say that men cannot be subject to women. Because of course actual men won't tolerate such a circumstance.

Take a look at every other denomination that has patted itself on the back for promoting the authority of women, whether it's deaconesses or pastors. Every example I can find has abandoned God in order to seek the world's favor. I don't believe for a moment that these are unrelated.

In any case the fact that this is being pursued *for the purpose of demonstrating how modern we are* is itself a desecration of the sacrament of Holy Communion as it subjects the sacrament to subservience to the World's values.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 04:47 PM (3Liv/)

388 I've mentioned it before, but for a foretaste of what is coming, we have to look back at the Mormon Persecutions. Look at what the Feds did to the Mormons when they (the Mormons) were out of step with what the Fed's thought marriage should be.

The Mormons lost their church; their right to vote, hold political office, serve on a jury, even the right to not testify against your spouse.

All legal, Constitutional, and upheld by the Supreme Court. In the 1800's, when people actually respected the freedom of religion. The decision stripping Mormons of the right to vote? Davis v. Beeson? 9-0.

If the Court did that back then... think about the chances of Sotomayer, Kagan and the gang standing up for a Christian now. There isn't a chance.

The Mormons had to literally go underground; moving in the dead of night, etc. We will probably see this happen again, except this time all conservative Christians get to join the party.

Posted by: Vanceone at July 06, 2016 04:49 PM (IQzhs)

389 Further if you tolerate a pastor arguing that *some* scripture is in error due to cultural bias, then where does that end? How much else of the Bible ought to be thrown away because it's personally inconvenient?

Or is the cultural error in the Bible somehow exclusively concentrated on this one particular topic?

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 04:49 PM (3Liv/)

390 The field of this study is much larger than either of these two works,
but they will make for an excellent jumping-off point. I would greatly
encourage anyone and everyone to read these documents in detail and with
a prayerful spirit. >.> This is important stuff.
---
Yeah I'm sure those women's studies departments have produced a great deal of material on the topic.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 04:52 PM (3Liv/)

391 *Tries on new sock*

I LIKE IT!

Posted by: JQ Flyover, Capitalist Pig -- Oink! ftw at July 06, 2016 05:05 PM (044Fx)

392 I have a solution. I'm just going to call everyone "asshole." That should take care of the problem.

Posted by: Dagny at July 06, 2016 05:22 PM (eSQgj)

393
Paul was in the habit of sloppily passing his opinion off as God's. As such anything he asserts must be checked against other scripture in order to determine that it's valid. God never put women in authority aside from the direst of circumstances (Deborah) and even then it was solely for the purposes of humiliating the men into flying right.

The idea that women are equal, which is to say, interchangeable with men, and suited for all the tasks we were created for, is not of God but of Satan's kingdom. It is one of the great sources of ruin in this country (universal suffrage), a fact that could easily have been predicted from its nonsensical nature.
---
A
thorough study on the original Greek and the nature of Paul's letters
are required at this point. Paul did not believe nor did he say in his
original letters that women were subject to men in general, and his
description of marital responsibilities was revolutionary at the time.
You are in error in this point, and do no favors to anyone in the congregation in pursuing it.
---
He did say that men cannot be subject to women. Because of course actual men won't tolerate such a circumstance.

Take a look at every other denomination that has patted itself on the back for promoting the authority of women, whether it's deaconesses or pastors. Every example I can find has abandoned God in order to seek the world's favor. I don't believe for a moment that these are unrelated.

In any case the fact that this is being pursued *for the purpose of demonstrating how modern we are* is itself a desecration of the sacrament of Holy Communion as it subjects the sacrament to subservience to the World's values.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 04:47 PM (3Liv/)


*blinks*


Equality between the sexes is of the Devil. Never yet have I heard that one. I would also at this point begin quoting some aspects of the books I mentioned, as well as make mention of Peter obviously seeing Paul's writings as on par with other parts of Scripture, but you've gone to an area where you are now cherry-picking what Scripture is legitimate and what is actually extra-Scriptural writings. If you want a new canon convention, just say so. But even that aside...


The "women's studies" department thing and the universal suffrage concept changes everything. You flew way past "honest disagreement" and into flatout misogyny there.


There's little point talking at all with a man so far from God's heart about matters of the Spirit. >_> You are a man desperately in need of a changed heart, and I will pray that you find it soon.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 06, 2016 05:47 PM (kSJLl)

394 Delurking to say this to Fenelon: at least one jurisdiction of the Orthodox Church (ROCOR - the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia) has, AFAIK, already stopped signing marriage certificates. You have to get married civilly and then come to the church for your real wedding. I expect my own jurisdiction, OCA, to follow suit. This makes the wedding into a purely religious event.

Posted by: Miss Sippi at July 06, 2016 06:45 PM (ByoS/)

395 Posted by: Miss Sippi at July 06, 2016 06:45 PM (ByoS/)

Glad to hear it. I appreciate you telling me that. That's the way it should be, IMO. I live in a very liberal part of my state, but the people who attend the Orthodox Church seem to be more conservative. I can't imagine the clergy buckling under.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2016 06:50 PM (frf5f)

396 A lot of the Orthodox I know (in the deep South) are pretty liberal politically but conservative theologically. I don't know how long some of them will be able to sustain that tension.

Posted by: Miss Sippi at July 06, 2016 06:57 PM (ByoS/)

397 Pardon, but this must be bullshit.

I was assured -assured! - by Gabriel Malor that this kind of thing would never happen, and that I was foolish and short-sighted to oppose SSM.

Posted by: Cranky j anne at July 06, 2016 07:00 PM (yaYgP)

398 I really like Lauren's idea at #11.

I really, really don't like this idea that the government can regulate the words that come out of my mouth. (Other than things like yelling fire in a crowded place where there is no fire.)

Posted by: Alana at July 06, 2016 07:09 PM (7CDv0)

399 Equality between the sexes is of the Devil.---Interchangeability
is. That flows directly into the concept of gender fluidity you see
today. Perhaps you are familiar with the standard of "by their fruit you
will know them"? Take a look at everywhere it's been tried and find me
any example where it has not been a victory for the Left (which I say is
Satan's Kingdom).---but you've gone to an area where you are now cherry-picking what
Scripture is legitimate and what is actually extra-Scriptural writings.---Well
I've specified that Scripture must be interpreted with scripture, which
was a pretty standard, at least among Lutherans, approach to
understanding it. At least before folks decided that finding favor with
progressives was more important than knowing God's truth.Maybe I
wasn't specific enough, but my beef with Paul is his baseless assertion
that government were founded by (ordained) and exist to do God's work
and therefore we must obey it. That is certainly false, and I'd guess a
product of his pridefullness in being a Roman citizen. In any case that
flatly contradicts God's direct opinion on the topic in first Samuel
when Israel is falling into the sin of human government. He says that
the desire to have a king like everyone else flows from the fact that
they have turned their backs on Him. It could not be more clear that
neither their desire for a king nor the other kings of the day had
anything at all to do with God. He then warned them that they'd be
punished with the disastrous Saul. Even David, a man after God's own
heart, was frankly a hot mess.As an American you ought to know
that this is inevitably the case because God doesn't create any of us to
fill the role that the lost people who desire government want that
government to play. That's part of the point of the line about us *men* being
created equal-a rebuke to the unGodly idea of Divine Right.---The "women's studies" department thing and the universal suffrage
concept changes everything. You flew way past "honest disagreement" and
into flatout misogyny there.
---I assume by that you mean you have no counter examples for
where those things have not been disastrous calamities which have
expanded leftist influence.

Regarding the Women's Studies bit, look, I don't trust anything that has come out of academia in my lifetime because it's stacked exclusively by leftists looking to proselytize. That makes 'new' interpretations of scripture especially suspect, particularly when, wonder of wonders, they fall in line with standard leftist dogma.---You are a man desperately in need of a changed heart, and I will pray that you find it soon.

----I had something snarky here, but I think it shall suffice to say that you really shouldn't assume you know who you've picked a fight with when it's over the internet. I can stand alone in an argument against a Lutheran pastor because my congregation knows me and knows my heart.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 07:21 PM (3Liv/)

400 Well speaking of hot messes, that certainly was one. Let's try that again.

Equality between the sexes is of the Devil.
---
Interchangeability is. That flows directly into the concept of gender fluidity you see
today. Perhaps you are familiar with the standard of "by their fruit you
will know them"? Take a look at everywhere it's been tried and find me

any example where it has not been a victory for the Left (which I say is

Satan's Kingdom).

---
but you've gone to an area where you are now cherry-picking what

Scripture is legitimate and what is actually extra-Scriptural writings.
---
Well
I've specified that Scripture must be interpreted with scripture, which

was a pretty standard, at least among Lutherans, approach to

understanding it. At least before folks decided that finding favor with

progressives was more important than knowing God's truth.Maybe I

wasn't specific enough, but my beef with Paul is his baseless assertion

that government were founded by (ordained) and exist to do God's work

and therefore we must obey it. That is certainly false, and I'd guess a

product of his pridefullness in being a Roman citizen. In any case that

flatly contradicts God's direct opinion on the topic in first Samuel

when Israel is falling into the sin of human government. He says that

the desire to have a king like everyone else flows from the fact that

they have turned their backs on Him. It could not be more clear that

neither their desire for a king nor the other kings of the day had

anything at all to do with God. He then warned them that they'd be

punished with the disastrous Saul. Even David, a man after God's own

heart, was frankly a hot mess.

As an American you ought to know
that this is inevitably the case because God doesn't create any of us to
fill the role that the lost people who desire government want that
government to play. That's part of the point of the line about us *men* being
created equal-a rebuke to the unGodly idea of Divine Right.
---

The "women's studies" department thing and the universal suffrage

concept changes everything. You flew way past "honest disagreement" and

into flatout misogyny there.

---
I assume by that you mean you have no counter examples for

where those things have not been disastrous calamities which have

expanded leftist influence.

Regarding the Women's Studies
bit, look, I don't trust anything that has come out of academia in my
lifetime because it's stacked exclusively by leftists looking to
proselytize. That makes 'new' interpretations of scripture especially
suspect, particularly when, wonder of wonders, they fall in line with
standard leftist dogma.

---
You are a man desperately in need of a changed
heart, and I will pray that you find it soon.


----

I had something snarky here, but I think it shall suffice to say
that you really shouldn't assume you know who you've picked a fight
with when it's over the internet. I can stand alone in an argument
against a Lutheran pastor because my congregation knows me and knows my
heart.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 07:25 PM (3Liv/)

401 Nice church you have there, hate it if the inspector condemns it. You will do what is needed, won't you?

Posted by: freedom2014despitebarack at July 06, 2016 08:03 PM (g6yUI)

402 Happy to help with armed security for the churchgoers.

If the Feds act as anti-Constitutional thugs, they deserve to be dealt with extreme prejudice.

They are supposed to know better.

Posted by: average American at July 06, 2016 08:04 PM (jU/PA)

403 Methos, clearly Missouri Synod!
Aquinas answered every question with Bible verses pro and con, choosing the side he preferred.
There is hope in Christ, not America!

Posted by: freedom2014despitebarack at July 06, 2016 08:06 PM (g6yUI)

404
403 Methos, clearly Missouri Synod!
Aquinas answered every question with Bible verses pro and con, choosing the side he preferred.
There is hope in Christ, not America!

Posted by: freedom2014despitebarack at July 06, 2016 08:06 PM (g6yUI)


The whole of it was apples to oranges and a complete evasion of his indefensible and unScriptural commentary earlier. But perhaps this is best; seeing how the first word out of your mouth is Aquinas (and I'd wager Tertullian and Augustine are not far behind) I am not surprised that your philosophies skirt near to the Stoics.


The only question left in my mind is if you also believe that beehives are led by a king bee, and if sperm flows from a man's head. O_o I look forward to seeing your thoughts in coming days...


A question, and then I'm back to other things, if anyone is still reading this. Do you agree that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female? If so, are Gentiles interchangeable with Jews, or not? If so, square that with Amos 9. If not, why then are women to be 'non-interchangeable' in that disgustingly flaccid reply Methos posted above, but Jews and Greeks are, and in the same sentence?

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 06, 2016 08:33 PM (kSJLl)

405 Flip if not and if so around!

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 06, 2016 08:34 PM (kSJLl)

406 Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiit.


Leaving aside the government idea; Methos, you are certainly not implying that Paul's egalitarian view of women's role in the church was a product of his Roman citizenship/philosophical background?


That surely cannot be the case. That surely cannot be the case at all.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 06, 2016 09:09 PM (kSJLl)

407 The whole of it was apples to oranges and a complete evasion of his
indefensible and unScriptural commentary earlier.
---
I do not think those words mean what you seem to think they mean. You objected to a specific comment I made about Paul and his habit of opining rather than stick to God's truth. Thus I responded directly and unevasively to your comment by explaining my complaint of Paul with a specific reference (okay it's 1 Samuel 7 or 8, if you're being picky, and you seem to be a picky person) showing him to be wrong. That would normally be considered a "defense" of my earlier comment. A Scriptural defense, one might even say.

---
But perhaps this is
best; seeing how the first word out of your mouth is Aquinas (and I'd
wager Tertullian and Augustine are not far behind) I am not surprised
that your philosophies skirt near to the Stoics.




The only question left in my mind is if you also believe that
beehives are led by a king bee, and if sperm flows from a man's head.
O_o I look forward to seeing your thoughts in coming days...
---

Is a bee a man? Is there some deep truth to the fact that power flows through the female electrical socket in the wall? Do either of these things or your comment on sperm have anything at all to do with the price of tea in China?

Seriously, what is your point? Whatever is bouncing around your head did not make it to the internet much less back to me, so responding meaningfully is difficult.


---
A question, and then I'm back to other things, if anyone is still
reading this. Do you agree that in Christ there is neither Jew nor
Greek, male nor female? If so, are Gentiles interchangeable with Jews,
or not? If so, square that with Amos 9.
---
Well you could have saved me some time and given the reference to Galatians 3, but then I suspect you're one of those people who prefers to have a vague memory of stuff that's in the Bible somewhere that sounds like it supports you.

That passage (which starts at verse 22 and continues into the following chapter if anyone's interested) has nothing at all to do with equality as it's popularly used today. We are equal heirs of Christ not because we are equal, nor our sins equal (Luke 7:36-50 those who are forgiven more love more in response, or Mark 2:17 as a matter of spiritual triage [or possibly sarcasm]), but our sentence equal (damnation is the only one available) and therefore the setting aside of that sentence equal. I frankly don't think we'll be equal in eternity (Matt 25:14-28, the parable of the talents) though that doesn't have anything to do with gender, just what God evaluates as 'trustworthy in little things'.

Of course Galatians was written by Paul so this is where I point to previous wariness with him.

I have no idea what you think Amos 9 has to do with any of this.

---
If not, why then are women to
be 'non-interchangeable' in that disgustingly flaccid reply Methos posted above, but Jews and Greeks are, and in the same sentence?
---

Hmm. Argument by attempted emotional manipulation. Ima give that a 1.5

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 09:17 PM (3Liv/)

408 Leaving aside the government idea; Methos, you are certainly not
implying that Paul's egalitarian view of women's role in the church was a
product of his Roman citizenship/philosophical background?
----
It is not. I mean his baseless belief in the divine ordination of all government, which is somewhere in the later chapters of Romans.

Which ought to be clear from my citation of God's tangential, arm's length participation in Israel's fall into human governance as a counter to Paul's position.

You know, as that has nothing at all to do with gender roles. Well aside from all the trouble Israel and its kings in particular got into because they kept marrying the locals.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 06, 2016 09:22 PM (3Liv/)

409
Is a bee a man? Is there some deep truth to the fact that power flows through the female electrical socket in the wall? Do either of these things or your comment on sperm have anything at all to do with the price of tea in China?

Seriously, what is your point? Whatever is bouncing around your head did not make it to the internet much less back to me, so responding meaningfully is difficult.


o.o I had assumed you'd know the reference since I was talking about the Stoics. Socrates had talked about bees in his insect studies; this is also referenced in that book I said you should read; you can find the story elsewhither as well.


Socrates believed the bees to be led by a king bee, because of the obviousness of male superiority to he and others in Greece. Thousands of years later, of course, we know the truth, but people like you still cling to philosophers who in turn clung to pagan philosophers for their understanding of the world around them, which is hardly, by any stretch of the imagination, compatible with sola scriptura.




I have no idea what you think Amos 9 has to do with any of this.



Equality before God. A topic you seem unconcerned with; and for good reason, you would seem to be in a good position in your worldview!


In specific, Amos 9:7 states "Are not you Israelites the same to me as the Cushites?" declares the LORD. "Did I not bring Israel up from Egypt, the Philistines from Caphtor and the Arameans from Kir? which is why I brought it up. You, of course, have already countered that I am good at vague references to verses that would seem to back me up, yet have not even the capacity (or will) to read the items yourself and discern why it might be relevant.


The subordination of women in Christian leadership is literally the only church policy founded on one verse. Comparing scripture with scripture is, as you boldly declared is necessary, robs you of your already tenuous foundation because you have no other material with which to work, but for the ramblings of ancient philosophers whose thinking is clouded by pagan heresy.


All of this is pointlessness, though, as you have already repeated your belief that Paul's writings are suspect at best, due to his particular worldview. >.> Worldview is exactly what we're discussing here, though, and the invalidity of yours, which in MY worldview, exacerbates the problems in our churches in this era because you cling to traditions that actually have neither root nor place in the body of Christ.


Put bluntly, you're an intellectual coward who wants to maintain his place in the hierarchy, and put blame on the woman for the world's ills, just as Tertullian did in blaming Eve for corrupting the noble Adam, when it was obviously Adam who made his own decision! This is doubly problematic because, in your worldview, Adam was the leader between the two, and as we both know from Scripture, those who lead and teach suffer greater punishment and greater responsibility!



Hmm. Argument by attempted emotional manipulation. Ima give that a 1.5


By which you feign an aura of reason.


You have no foundation in any of this, nor Scripture to back you up but for that particular verse in 1 Timothy. All you have is male ego and your philosophical forebears, who likewise had no idea what they were talking about. There's really nothing to talk about if you're going to say that Paul didn't really know what he was talking about, and that his writings are suspect, and then basing your philosophy about women's roles in church off of a piece of his own writing. Lay aside that it is a verse under contention; you yourself say you do not entirely trust Paul, yet because this jives with your desired worldview, you accept it without question!


It is obvious to me from your earlier refusal to even glance at the materials I gave you, immediately condemned as feminist claptrap, that you are a man with whom reasoning will never work. I think you wilfully foolish and treading dangerous ground in saying that those in honest disagreement with you walk in Satan's works. Let this be the end of the matter between us >_> I'll not bring it up with you again.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 07, 2016 12:36 AM (kSJLl)

410 A question, and then I'm back to other things, if anyone is still reading this.

I read this discussion, Kinley, and I found it interesting. (I always find your remarks interesting) I don't get involved in debates about the ordination of women because I gave that up long ago as it doesn't change anyone's mind and just tends to make people angry. I appreciate your arguments, however. and I agree that saying someone is a tool of Satan simply because they believe in the ordination of women- while knowing nothing very about their view of the Lordship of Christ and submitting to that as well as their view of discipleship-is troubling.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 07, 2016 01:47 AM (frf5f)

411 I had assumed you'd know the reference since I was talking about the
Stoics. Socrates had talked about bees in his insect studies
---
I've no interest in Socrates. Dude at 403 was the one talking about Aquinas.

---
In specific, Amos 9:7 states "Are not you Israelites the same to me
as the Cushites?" declares the LORD. "Did I not bring Israel up from
Egypt, the Philistines from Caphtor and the Arameans from Kir?
---
There's nothing gender relevant there. Which was the topic. This is frankly just God being moody as He usually does when the Israelites ignore him long enough. Like He did when they wandered the desert and Moses at one point had to talk Him out of wiping them out and starting from scratch. Like He did later in Judges when He refused to even hear their prayers.

It is nonsense to believe God has no favorites or even preferences. He calls Israel the apple of His eye. He called David a man after His own heart. In discussing the Christian church, Jesus gave a parable of a rich men who's friends didn't show up for his party so He gathered whatever riff raff he could find just to fill his banquet.

---
The subordination of women in Christian leadership is literally the only
church policy founded on one verse. Comparing scripture with scripture
is, as you boldly declared is necessary, robs you of your already
tenuous foundation because you have no other material with which to
work, but for the ramblings of ancient philosophers whose thinking is
clouded by pagan heresy.
---
It's not one verse, it's the entire Bible. It didn't need to be said because there are basically no women in significant leadership roles in the entire book (aside from Deborah, whose entire point was humiliating the men into manning up). There were plenty of important things to do which they did, but none as leaders. The only Queen who ruled alone was an usurper who was properly put to death for her actions. There were no women among the 12.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that you or the author you cite are very clever. You are not. You are making the same empty case that my pastor has made for a month now. And I flatly reject it as completely risible as I do his.

---
Put bluntly, you're an intellectual coward who wants to maintain his
place in the hierarchy, and put blame on the woman for the world's ills,
just as Tertullian did in blaming Eve for corrupting the noble Adam,
when it was obviously Adam who made his own decision!
---
Ah yes, this all comes down to your hysteric hatred of the Patriarchy what done you wrong. Somehow. I have no interest in office high or otherwise in the church, but because I will not bow to your demands, I must be the villain in your petty little drama.

That is a nice little attempt at pre-emption by the way. Your masters have taught you well. Because while folks of your bent like to pretend Adam and Eve were originally equal, he had the duty. He was the one God assigned to name everything. The only time Eve demonstrated initiative was doing the serpent's bidding. And we all continue to bear the cost of what *they* did, men in the roles that are appropriate for us, and women in the role that is appropriate for you.

---
It is obvious to me from your earlier refusal to even glance at the
materials I gave you, immediately condemned as feminist claptrap, that
you are a man with whom reasoning will never work.
---
I don't think it would be any more enlightening than reading an East Anglia paper on "climate change" or a SPLC report on "right wing hate". There is only so much time in the day or over the course of one's life that things which are clearly wastes of time ought be discarded.

----
I think you wilfully foolish and treading dangerous ground in saying
that those in honest disagreement with you walk in Satan's works.
----
Yes because if there's one thing we can all be safely assured of, it is that the assumptions of a culture that slaughters a million babies every year on the altar of "women's rights", that considers sodomite marriage a 'right', that has tempted half its population into government dependency, and to that end has run up now around $20 trillion in debt rather than make any decisions, are somehow more Godly than those He spoke to directly.

It is the World that fills your passion here. And good men have for far too long shirked the primary duty God assigned us: saying NO to your lot. And you are frankly powerless on this point. For you to prevail here, I would have to accept Holy Communion delivered by a woman.

I will not.

Further, this is no honest disagreement. Unless you are part of the LCMS, you have no place at all to demand how we practice our faith. There are plenty of fake christian churches that women who want to feel empowered or gays that want to be told they're okay just they way they are, or poor folks that want to be reassured that robbing their neighbor at the ballot box is okay, can go to. Yet you have stayed up all evening just so you can whine and bitch at one guy in all of Christendom who will not bend the knee to your prince.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 07, 2016 01:58 AM (3Liv/)

412 I just have a question here for clarification-because I have no interest in the internal policies of the LCMS or of changing them-Your pastor is advocating for the ordination of women or for women to be able to distribute communion? Only men can distribute communion in the LCMS? Is this because women cannot be Deacons and that is a function of the Deacons in the LCMS?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 07, 2016 02:14 AM (frf5f)

413 FenelonSpoke, this isn't occuring in a vacuum. We've had problems with pastors who think the hot new thing is to be more inviting to folks with leftist sympathies for a while now. It has been on a range of topics, whether gay-friendly, lopsided sympathy for palestinians, duty to government in supporting obamacare, collapsing the economy with taxes because hey, the government needs to take care of the poor, endless sermons about how confusing it is that these lone wolves of no identifiable motive keeping shooting up innocents in gun-free zones, and so on, literally anything they think they can get away with.

This thing with naming women as elders just recently came up, like in the past month. We literally got an email late Friday that pastor was going to spend the Bible study hour "discussing" the findings of the task force that had been meeting for six months on the topic of 'how to put women on the board of elders', which of course meant he was making exclusively the hard sell.

And I'm sorry, but when you throw out scripture because of "culture" you've already lost your way. This is an enormous problem when it's the damn pastor pushing it.

It's a bigger problem when the faction pushing for a rewrite of our bylaws claim they've been out in the open all along, and half the people I know on the church council, which they've claimed was entirely on board, don't remember ever discussing the matter.

So this is getting pushed in the summer when attendance is down, and it just happens to be pushed by the folks who are all Ready for Hillary. In particular, by the current pastor who was prepared to let the congregation eat a $100,000 loss on a mortgage to the previous pastor until folks heard what he and the rest of the leadership were up to. So yeah, I'll have to ask your pardon if I am not prepared to just assume the most angelic motives of all involved.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at July 07, 2016 02:17 AM (3Liv/)

414 You don't have to ask my pardon for anything. :^) I'm just an observer (and I appreciate you filling in some details), although I do think that Kinley Ardal was not making an argument for what the LCMS should do-as they appear to not be a member of the LCMS-just making arguments in general.

Had you thought of attending another type of church?. The culture will of course-continue to push against the church-but if all of this makes you you angry-is it worth it to stay there unless you feel you need to stand up for certain things while other people won't?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 07, 2016 02:24 AM (frf5f)

415 But it does sound like they're several problems going on-beyond just the issue of women being Elders.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 07, 2016 02:33 AM (frf5f)

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The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
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