Overnight Open Thread (6-21-2016)

Quote of the Day I - Failure to Heed Market Signals Edition

The percentage of new doctorate recipients without jobs or plans for further study climbed to 39% in 2014 from 31% in 2009, according to a National Science Foundation survey released in April. Median salaries for midcareer Ph.D.s working full time fell 6% between 2010 and 2013.

The reason: supply and demand.

Quote of the Day II - A Matter of Faith Edition

Former President Bill Clinton said Tuesday that more people would have died in the terrorist attack at a nightclub in Orlando over the weekend if clubgoers had been armed and shot back at the lone gunman.

In an interview with Bloomberg TV, the former president was asked to respond to Donald Trump's claim that fewer people would have died at the club if they had firearms.

"Did you see how dark it was?" Clinton said. "It's likely that more people would have been killed."

Funny the killer seemed to have no problem with finding and shooting people in the dark.

Attorney General Loretta Lynch: Orlando Gunman's Motive May Never Be Known

I can't help but be reminded of this classic AoS thread:

The Words That Come Out Of His Mouth: The Secret Source Of What A Man Is Really Trying To Tell You!

What Really Happened During the Orlando Shootings - a Time Line

  • 2:02 a.m.: OPD call transmitted multiple shots fired at Pulse nightclub.
  • 2:04 a.m.: Additional OPD officers arrived on scene.
  • 2:08 a.m.: Officers from various law enforcement agencies made entrance to Pulse and engaged the shooter.
  • 2:18 a.m.: OPD S.W.A.T. (Special Weapons & Tactics) initiated a full call-out.
  • 2:35 a.m.: Shooter contacted a 911 operator from inside Pulse.

One interesting note from this is that police were already engaged in a firefight with Mateen within 6 minutes of the shooting being reported. But when they realized they were outgunned and he retreated inside, they called out the SWAT team.

And during calls with negotiators Mateen claimed to have a suicide vest and have bombs planted in the building and his car:

"There is some vehicle outside that has some bombs, just to let you know. You people are gonna get it, and I'm gonna ignite it if they try to do anything stupid." Later in the call with the crisis negotiator, the shooter stated that he had a vest, and further described it as the kind they "used in France." The shooter later stated, "In the next few days, you're going to see more of this type of action going on." The shooter hung up and multiple attempts to get in touch with him were unsuccessful.
  • 4:21 a.m.: OPD pulled an air conditioning unit out of a Pulse dressing room window for victims to evacuate.

And here one survivor who played dead even after being shot a second time by Mateen describes what was happening in the club during this time:

With the sounds of Mateen still shooting and the screams echoing in the club, Marrero stayed as perfectly still as he could and he estimates 30 to 40 minutes went by. He saw the shooter walking over the bodies on the floor and shooting them again, presumably to make sure they were dead.

This is when he shot Marrero again, hitting his lower back and his left arm. Now this young man was on the floor with four gunshot wounds. "I just lay there and all the blood coming out of my hand, and my arm was destroyed," he said. "The amount of pain was unbearable."

He said while the shots were still going off, he made eye contact with a police officer through the front door. He said he pleaded for help. The officer told him to crawl to him, but Marrero couldn't and told the officer he was shot in the back.

The officer told Marrero, "You need to find the strength to do this." Using his right arm he grabbed onto the dead bodies giving himself the leverage to push himself towards the officer. The cop grabbed him by the hand and quickly dragged him away from the club and to a vacant lot where paramedics were set up and eventually got to him.

Here the pseudonymous LAPD officer, Jack Dunphy, weighs in on the Orlando police's actions that morning:

And in those hours before the final confrontation came at about five in the morning, the police faced an agonizing dilemma: Should they move in and risk a gun battle that would jeopardize more innocents, or should they wait it out in the hope of a surrender? But this second option carried its own risks. Mateen might have resumed shooting at any moment without warning, or he may have detonated the explosives he claimed to have. What's more, during a protracted siege, people already wounded and hoping for rescue might bleed out and die.

There is no easy answer in this situation. Officers on the scene must rely on incomplete and sometimes conflicting information. In the panic and chaos that greeted the first arriving officers in Orlando, there must have been varying accounts on the number of shooters and their whereabouts within the club. Adding to the confusion, officers from all over the city and beyond rushed to the scene, few of whom had had the opportunity to work or train together before. Patrol officers are accustomed to handling things alone or in pairs; unlike their counterparts in SWAT, they are seldom called upon to act as a cohesive unit.

Greg Gutfeld on Orlando: The Most Depressing Article You Will Ever Share

Dumbest Criminals of the Year So Far

Port Authority Police Department Superintendent Michael A. Fedorko said that 50-year-old John Cramsey, 52-year-old Dean Smith and a 29-year-old woman were taken into custody after they were stopped around 7:40 a.m. in Jersey City, N.J.

Officials found multiple weapons -- some loaded -- including rifles and handguns in their vehicle, described by a law enforcement source as a "jacked up SUV."

The vehicle, a Dodge truck, also bore the name Higher Ground Tactical, an indoor shooting range and gun dealership in Upper Milford Township, Pa., WNBC-TV reported.

...The trio, from Pennsylvania, initially was stopped by Port Authority Police at a toll plaza for a cracked windshield, authorities said. An officer saw the weapons in plain view on the passenger side of the vehicle.

Drugs were also recovered from the vehicle, which has been cleared from the scene but is still being processed for evidence.

On Crime Denialism

Anyone who has been dispassionately following crime trends over the past couple of years will have noticed a curious pattern: Despite clear evidence that homicide rates surged in the last twelve months, in what is quite likely the biggest single-year spike in a generation, many journalists and number crunchers seem determined to communicate to their readers that there is nothing unusual going on-that crime rates remain at historic lows and that any talk of "rising crime" is demagoguery intended to smear racial justice protestors and torpedo criminal justice reform.

18 Year Old Hooker Takes Down 3 Bay Area Police Chiefs In Just 9 Days

Germany Bans Fracking For the Foreseeable Future

From here on out it's going to be expensive subsidized renewables and Russian gas.

Meanwhile California Plans to Shut Down Its Last Nuclear Reactor

Despite the fact that this one reactor produces more than double all of the state's solar panels combined.

Paprika: Your Frenemy in the Kitchen

The Amazing Korean Breakdance Crew

Sheer beautiful cultural appropriation. The little muscular dude is incredible - he clearly has hacked the matrix.

The Last Time The Beatles Ever Performed Together

Despite all the tension and acrimony here for a few minutes at least they were able to recapture their old chemistry and joy of playing together. Today playing an impromptu gig on the roof is no big deal but back then It Simply Wasn't Done. Also can you spot the obligatory Yoko presence?

Related: Ringo Talks Honestly About the Death of John. Both fascinating and painful to watch. I wish the ghoulish Barbara Walters had respected his request to turn off the cameras when he became weepy.

The Yahoo group is for closers only.

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Comments

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1 Ah, some light reading then off to bed.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 21, 2016 11:26 PM (GUBah)

2 Fusrt!

Posted by: joey biden at June 21, 2016 11:26 PM (PLnZs)

3 Yay!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2016 11:27 PM (0mRoj)

4 Now to read the content.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 21, 2016 11:27 PM (hyuyC)

5 Heh. Heh. Ravi Shankar.

Posted by: joey biden at June 21, 2016 11:27 PM (PLnZs)

6 Being raped is now Jewish Privilege

A comment posted on an article written by a woman who was raped by her boyfriend's best friend prompted an anti-Semitic tirade about the "privilege" held by White and Jewish women when it comes to being raped.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=11972

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 21, 2016 11:28 PM (vBeA5)

7 And a woot woot for the ONT

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 21, 2016 11:29 PM (voOPb)

8 This post is worthy regardless of content -- Dweeb Unit II is now off of the top o the page.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 21, 2016 11:30 PM (gyKtp)

9 Close to top ten.

Posted by: Blano at June 21, 2016 11:30 PM (Fl55e)

10 Howdy, y'all!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at June 21, 2016 11:32 PM (EzgxV)

11 Jesus, is the NSA done screwing the hamsters? What was all that?

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2016 11:34 PM (oFSUK)

12 "The reason: supply and demand."



It's obvious that too many of these liberal arts majors are getting degrees in "Latino Critical Genderfluid Studies" and not Economics.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 21, 2016 11:34 PM (EzgxV)

13 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 21, 2016 11:35 PM (T/cxb)

14 It's obvious that too many of these liberal arts majors are getting degrees in "Latino Critical Genderfluid Studies" and not Economics.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 21, 2016 11:34 PM (EzgxV)


They will be the enforcement mechanism/new genty in this Proggies new Feudal overlordships...

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 21, 2016 11:35 PM (vBeA5)

15
What Really Happened During the Orlando Shootings - a Time Line




3:18 a.m.: OPD S.W.A.T. shoot a dog.

3:24 a.m.: OPD S.W.A.T. shoot another dog.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 21, 2016 11:37 PM (kdS6q)

16 An ONT good enough to have been worth waiting for. Bravo Zulu, Maet!

ONT greetings, Horde!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2016 11:37 PM (v5iqM)

17 Theres a whole lot of content going on there

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 21, 2016 11:37 PM (voOPb)

18 Ooooooookay, but $10,000 in 1969 was very different. That was 25 ounces of gold, or the equivalent of $30,000 today.

Dammit, 29,750.

Crap! 29,500.

Son of a...

Posted by: boomstick at June 21, 2016 11:37 PM (ulKZj)

19 15
What Really Happened During the Orlando Shootings - a Time Line




3:18 a.m.: OPD S.W.A.T. shoot a dog.

3:24 a.m.: OPD S.W.A.T. shoot another dog.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 21, 2016 11:37 PM (kdS6q)

Hey, leave Navy Cop Joe out of this

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 21, 2016 11:38 PM (voOPb)

20 update on the Twin Fall 5yo girl rape case

per a local talk radio station news update
.........

The TF chief of PD said he does not care about your: skin color, income, religion, ethnicity, you break the law he will find you.

Two of the perps are still in custody.

a knife was not used

They are not Syrians
(only because the locals have pushed back enough that there are NO Syrians in TF)

end of update
..........................


other info

the perps are 7, 10 and 14 , supposedly

The older ones are supposedly Sudanese, and the younger is Iraqi, but that is not confirmed

nobody denied that a rape occurred



I've got kin in the TF area, more details to follow

Posted by: Jake at June 21, 2016 11:39 PM (1t2W9)

21 Not first!

Posted by: Alana at June 21, 2016 11:39 PM (Ap5uT)

22 That rooftop concert was really something. I like their music OK, but I don't bother to listen to it much. If they had been a normal touring band, probably it would be different. Going through all the concert recordings would be a real pleasure. I guess maybe they couldn't do that, because they were just too big.

Posted by: Splunge at June 21, 2016 11:40 PM (iMxBJ)

23 When we need advice on creeping on young women and being a doddering fool Clinton can open his yap. Tactical advice that real men deal with not so much.

Posted by: Cheri at June 21, 2016 11:40 PM (TmVQX)

24 Tried to watch the break-dancing. What's with the Gay Heart on youtube today?

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2016 11:40 PM (oFSUK)

25 Buona sera, Horde!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at June 21, 2016 11:40 PM (kP16F)

26 >>>Ooooooookay, but $10,000 in 1969 was very different. That was 25 ounces of gold, or the equivalent of $30,000 today.

Posted by: boomstick at June 21, 2016 11:37 PM (ulKZj)<<<

How many ounces of coke? That's the really important conversion.

Posted by: many of the artists at Woodstock at June 21, 2016 11:40 PM (H9MG5)

27 Still waiting for Iron Butterfly.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 21, 2016 11:41 PM (IqV8l)

28 This is another fine ont you've gotten us into.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 21, 2016 11:41 PM (XhS3T)

29 Santana got ripped off.

And if I was going to bring an arsenal into another state, NY/NJ would be my last two choices. NJ once indicted a man for having a 300 year old gun in his glove box. NY has big billboards as you enter the state saying something like "Bring a gun to our state, get to meet our inmates".

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 21, 2016 11:42 PM (gyKtp)

30 Evening.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill.....TEXIT at June 21, 2016 11:42 PM (9ym/8)

31 Posted by: Cheri at June 21, 2016 11:40 PM (TmVQX)

It's all that tactical experience hanging with his felonious wife and her use of lethal weapons

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 21, 2016 11:43 PM (voOPb)

32 We need a national conversation on outlawing New York.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2016 11:43 PM (0mRoj)

33
Hendrix 18000
Melanie 750

Therefore

Hendrix = 2.4 deka-Melanies

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 21, 2016 11:44 PM (kdS6q)

34 India is about to launch a rocket carrying 20 satellites. Liftoff is scheduled for 11:57 pm EDT.

Here are links for live coverage:

https://live-24framesdigital.netdna-ssl.com/isro/webcast/220616/

http://spaceref.com/live/isro.html

Posted by: rickl at June 21, 2016 11:44 PM (sdi6R)

35 I really like the later year Beatles.
Thanks for reminding me.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 21, 2016 11:44 PM (kKHcp)

36 And I still would have paid Joan Baez $11,000 to stay way from Woodstock

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 21, 2016 11:45 PM (voOPb)

37 I always knew Melanie was cheap.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2016 11:45 PM (oeOT+)

38
3:18 a.m.: OPD S.W.A.T. shoot a dog.

3:24 a.m.: OPD S.W.A.T. shoot another dog.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 21, 2016 11:37 PM (kdS6q)


Well that settles it. NOT going to Disneyworld.

Posted by: nerdygirl's Beagle at June 21, 2016 11:45 PM (+lVUW)

39 I heard an interview of Melanie once talking about how her mother drove her to Woodstock, with her guitar in the back seat of the car.

Melanie was smoking hot back in the day, by the way.

Posted by: rickl at June 21, 2016 11:46 PM (sdi6R)

40 ...and all the Brown Acid you can take.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2016 11:46 PM (oeOT+)

41 Posted by: GnuBreed at June 21, 2016 11:42 PM (gyKtp)

Nothing like a vehicle that screams, hey look at me I have a suit load of guns inside

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 21, 2016 11:47 PM (voOPb)

42 >>>3:18 a.m.: OPD S.W.A.T. shoot a dog.

3:24 a.m.: OPD S.W.A.T. shoot another dog.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 21, 2016 11:37 PM (kdS6q)
<<<




Shot through the heart,
And you're to blame.
You give cops,
A bad name.

Posted by: Dog Jovi at June 21, 2016 11:47 PM (H9MG5)

43 I'd say more people died in the three hours it took for armed men to get there. And less men died after they arrived.

What am I doing? Clinton spoke, therefore he lied.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2016 11:47 PM (yddCj)

44 3 minutes to launch.

Posted by: rickl at June 21, 2016 11:48 PM (sdi6R)

45 That rooftop concert was really something. I like their music OK, but I don't bother to listen to it much. If they had been a normal touring band, probably it would be different. Going through all the concert recordings would be a real pleasure. I guess maybe they couldn't do that, because they were just too big.
Posted by: Splunge at June 21, 2016 11:40 PM (iMxBJ)


My understanding is that they stopped doing concerts because the screaming was so loud that no one could hear the music, including themselves.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 21, 2016 11:48 PM (+lVUW)

46
Man Claiming To Be Orlando Terrorist’s Gay Lover Comes Forward

http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=278798

Heard "Miguel's" electronically disguised voice on radio news claiming this had nothing at all to do with terrorism. They're working hard to spin.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 21, 2016 11:49 PM (IqV8l)

47 >>>How many ounces of coke? That's the really important conversion.

1 oz gold = 1/4 oz blow at retail. At least, that's what a friend told me a few years back.

Posted by: DC in River City, Team Mattis at June 21, 2016 11:49 PM (e+1S5)

48 IIRC, I'd read that SOP now for law enforcement in mass shootings with hostages is to engage at once with whatever resources one has at the time... I still can't understand the delay. Did they fuck up out of ignorance, incompetance, or cowardice?

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at June 21, 2016 11:50 PM (kP16F)

49 well fuck dude, a pro Brexit English PM (woman) was shot dead a few days ago.

Thursday will be a rodeo of the elites

Posted by: Jake at June 21, 2016 11:51 PM (1t2W9)

50 Too bad about Hendrix's untimely demise. The man did things with a guitar that ought to be impossible.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2016 11:51 PM (0mRoj)

51 I never barked,
But you still blasted away.
You give "the law",
A bad name.

Posted by: Dog Jovi at June 21, 2016 11:51 PM (H9MG5)

52 "Foam Latte for Jack Miyoff!" Goddammit...

Posted by: One of the Lucky PhD's at June 21, 2016 11:51 PM (Z58Xa)

53 Yeah as the timeline comes out I suspect we will find that Local LE covered itself in the same glory the FBI has shown.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 21, 2016 11:52 PM (g8Hfr)

54 Orlando: How it should have ended -- https://youtu.be/8HGgyWNsw80

Posted by: Chipotle at June 21, 2016 11:52 PM (Kedbl)

55 20--- I've got kin in the TF area, more details to follow
Posted by: Jake at June 21, 2016 11:39 PM (1t2W9)
--------------------------
Thanks for the updates, Jake.
Horrible stuff.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 21, 2016 11:53 PM (T/5A0)

56 'Failure to meet market conditions' and 'California shuts down last nuclear reactor' very similar missives on liberal economics . (Yea , natural gas and fracking!'

Posted by: socalcon at June 21, 2016 11:53 PM (lHASK)

57 48. Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at June 21, 2016 11:50 PM (kP16F

Yes.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 21, 2016 11:53 PM (voOPb)

58 California deserves its brownouts.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 21, 2016 11:54 PM (g8Hfr)

59 52 "Foam Latte for Jack Miyoff!" Goddammit...
Posted by: One of the Lucky PhD's at June 21, 2016 11:51 PM (Z58Xa)

Should've done your thesis on something other than the intersectional oppression of Central American lesbians who conduct artificial insemination on capybara farms.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2016 11:54 PM (0mRoj)

60 They retreated when they discovered they were outgunned. What!!!
Between 2:08 and 2:18 multiple agencies made entrance to the club.
How many cops, how many guns to fire on one Jihadi, one head shot, a couple of body shots but nada.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 21, 2016 11:54 PM (iV/zR)

61 I went to two Beatles concerts, one in Houstin and one in Chicago. And yes, the screaming was too loud to hear much of the music. Very annoying.

Posted by: Alana at June 21, 2016 11:54 PM (XGMWW)

62 "Foam Latte for Jack Miyoff!" Goddammit...
Posted by: One of the Lucky PhD's at June 21, 2016 11:51 PM (Z58Xa)


A) if I wanted a 16 oz cup of foam I'd have gotten the extra-duper large cappuccino
B) if that bothers me I should go to the drivethru coffee shack where the barristas have cleavage not dreds and studs.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2016 11:55 PM (ry34m)

63 Posted by: Alana at June 21, 2016 11:54 PM (XGMWW)

Funny, you don't seem that old

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 21, 2016 11:55 PM (voOPb)

64 I pass the torch to Short Buff Break Dancing Korean.


Kid should have a future if he bangs the right ladies and men in teh Hollywood.

Posted by: Marky Mark Walberg at June 21, 2016 11:55 PM (GJnhB)

65 49
well fuck dude, a pro Brexit English PM (woman) was shot dead a few days ago.



Thursday will be a rodeo of the elites



Posted by: Jake at June 21, 2016 11:51 PM (1t2W9)


Actually, she was a Labour "Bremain" supporter.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 21, 2016 11:56 PM (EzgxV)

66 54 Orlando: How it should have ended -- https://youtu.be/8HGgyWNsw80
Posted by: Chipotle at June 21, 2016 11:52 PM (Kedbl)

More evidence that you do not fuck with old people.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 21, 2016 11:57 PM (0mRoj)

67 65 Posted by: cthulhu at June 21, 2016 11:56 PM (EzgxV)

Well at least we know it was a female...

Posted by: sven10077 at June 21, 2016 11:57 PM (g8Hfr)

68 Why thank you, mishum!

Posted by: Alana at June 21, 2016 11:57 PM (XGMWW)

69 'Failure to meet market conditions' and 'California shuts down last nuclear reactor' very similar missives on liberal economics . (Yea , natural gas and fracking!'

Posted by: socalcon at June 21, 2016 11:53 PM (lHASK)



California regulators and utility executives are staring down a natural-gas shortage in the Los Angeles area that could trigger up to two weeks of electrical blackouts this summer.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/j3k6mtx


We laughed when it was just Venezuela

Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2016 11:58 PM (ry34m)

70 #65

oops, I got part of that backwards

If the English are to vote to stay in the EU, they are as dumb as the blacks and mexicans and gays who vote democrat thinking that their lives will get better

Posted by: Jake at June 21, 2016 11:59 PM (1t2W9)

71 The link about Ringo and John goes to the rooftop jam session.

I know H8ers gonna H8 but I loved John. I even forgive him Yoko.

It would be nice to get a fixed link.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 22, 2016 12:00 AM (1xUj/)

72 60 Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 21, 2016 11:54 PM (iV/zR)

He was packing the SIG MPX of death...

no all kidding aside, assuming worst case scenario that OPD patrol officers are armed only with .40 sidearms and Shotguns they were not precisely wrong they were outgunned on a one on one level that said they could have gotten him the Texans in Amarillo and Chinese cops would have.

I suspect they were thinking the invisible bombs were a real threat.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:01 AM (g8Hfr)

73 bingo on fuel.

I'm out

morons gotta moron

Posted by: Jake at June 22, 2016 12:01 AM (1t2W9)

74
How many cops, how many guns to fire on one Jihadi, one head shot, a couple of body shots but nada.
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt



Why didn't one of the 200 something people in the club chuck a bottle of upper shelf vodka at his noggin in the confusion?

There was some guy muttering near me in the supermarket last night, and I was off looking for improvised weapons. It was the soda aisle, so I figured I'd try dual-wielding glass bottles of Mexican Coke.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 22, 2016 12:01 AM (kdS6q)

75 >>We laughed when it was just Venezuela

And I continue to laugh now at crazy CA

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2016 12:01 AM (voOPb)

76 The other fun which some SoCal ratepayers are looking at is having their electric bills rise sharply to pay for shutting down ahead of schedule CA's other big nuclear plant last year (San Onofre) and replacing it with far more costly "renewable" power.

I've seen some estimates that say San Diego electric rates may triple by 2025 from where they are right now, and where they are now ain't cheap.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 22, 2016 12:01 AM (noWW6)

77 There is no easy answer in this situation. Officers on the scene must rely on incomplete and sometimes conflicting information. In the panic and chaos that greeted the first arriving officers in Orlando, there must have been varying accounts on the number of shooters and their whereabouts within the club.

See, this is the thing: That ambiguity and fog of war the police were experiencing didn't exist inside the club, where the victims watched the killer walking around with a rifle and shooting whoever was near. And yet the Great Bill Clinton, He of commendable vigor, declares that more people would have died if those victims in that unambiguous moment between life and death had been armed.

Right. I'm sure that's exactly why mass killers throughout recent history have picked out gun ranges and Friends Of NRA dinners as the venues for their attacks in order to maximize casualties.

Posted by: Socratease at June 22, 2016 12:02 AM (2GbWn)

78 On 4th stage now and looking good so far.

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2016 12:02 AM (sdi6R)

79 48 IIRC, I'd read that SOP now for law enforcement in mass shootings with hostages is to engage at once with whatever resources one has at the time... I still can't understand the delay. Did they fuck up out of ignorance, incompetance, or cowardice?
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at June 21, 2016 11:50 PM (kP16F)


I suspect that it was because they were caught between treating it as an active shooter situation (go in quickly) or a hostage standoff (play for time) along with the possibility of a Brussels bomber scenario. In retrospect I think Mateen's call to 9-11 before SWAT arrived really disrupted their plans because it pushed them into viewing it as a hostage negotiation type situation early on.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 22, 2016 12:02 AM (pAlYe)

80 a knife was not used

They are not Syrians
(only because the locals have pushed back enough that there are NO Syrians in TF)

end of update
..........................


other info

the perps are 7, 10 and 14 , supposedly

The older ones are supposedly Sudanese, and the younger is Iraqi, but that is not confirmed

nobody denied that a rape occurred



I've got kin in the TF area, more details to follow

Posted by: Jake at June 21, 2016 11:39 PM (1t2W9)


So, the initial rumor was not all that far from the truth. Three (presumably) muzzie yutes raped a 5 year-old girl, without using a knife, although the possibility remains open that some other weapon was used.


So basically rumor got the yutes' nationality wrong. But with "Syrians" figuring prominently in the news right now, prolly any skeevy muzzies are automatically thought to be Syrian.


Did the raped little girl have a Dad living at home? I'm sort of wondering if that apartment block is a Section 8 wonderland?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 12:03 AM (GSdpU)

81 the Texans in Amarillo and Chinese cops would have.<<<

Those California Koreans too.


Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 22, 2016 12:04 AM (iV/zR)

82 a natural-gas shortage in the Los Angeles area that could trigger up to two weeks of electrical blackouts this summer.

It's the damnedest thing. Worst global warming ever!

Posted by: t-bird at June 22, 2016 12:04 AM (w35Hj)

83 If the jihadi rampage had instead taken place in a gay nightclub in Los Angeles, the LAPD would have turned a random truck on a nearby street into a colander and exclaimed "Got him!"

Posted by: torquewrench at June 22, 2016 12:04 AM (noWW6)

84 79 Posted by: Maetenloch at June 22, 2016 12:02 AM (pAlYe)

A cogent and likely mostly right scenario.

I do wonder who much of their deference to letting the perp have three hours to play in was Political Correctness?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:04 AM (g8Hfr)

85 Median salaries for midcareer Ph.D.s working full time fell 6% between 2010 and 2013.

... one reason why so many get multiple Masters instead of getting a PhD.

I knew a guy with 5 Masters degrees

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 22, 2016 12:05 AM (e8kgV)

86
I suspect they were thinking the invisible bombs were a real threat.
Posted by: sven10077



I suspect they were thinking "I get a lifetime pension at 45, if not full disability sooner because of this totes traumatic experience, so -- eff it. No hero here. Gonna sit outside and pretend I'm talking to someone on the tac channel until daybreak."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 22, 2016 12:05 AM (kdS6q)

87 I'm a SWAT cop.
On a steel BearCat I ride.
And I shoot dogs,
All of the time.

Posted by: Dog Jovi at June 22, 2016 12:05 AM (H9MG5)

88 71 The link about Ringo and John goes to the rooftop jam session.
I know H8ers gonna H8 but I loved John. I even forgive him Yoko.
It would be nice to get a fixed link.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 22, 2016 12:00 AM (1xUj/)


Fixed!

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 22, 2016 12:05 AM (pAlYe)

89 The Dead.
CSN&Y
Santana
Joe Cocker
Jimi
Encore 1: The Band

Encore 2: Creedence

Encore 3: accustice set of Neil Young

Ooooh boy I can hear the ovaries and fruitbaskets exploding now.




Posted by: the price of a southern wedding at June 22, 2016 12:06 AM (GJnhB)

90 83 Posted by: torquewrench at June 22, 2016 12:04 AM (noWW6)

Correct had this happened on Hollywood and Vine LAPD would have randomly shot 206 people like with Dorner.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:06 AM (g8Hfr)

91 What painful game tonight. 4-0 loss to Argentina. I predicted 4-1, guess I was a bit too optimistic.

Posted by: Ape That Got Shot at The Zoo Recently at June 22, 2016 12:07 AM (0LHZx)

92 Wish me luck, horde. I woke up at 2 am Monday morning with severe chest and back pain. popped nitro and the pain stopped. I am going to the cardiologist tomorrow.

And next week - the orthopedic surgeon because my knee still hurts like hell. I'm falling apart all of a sudden.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at June 22, 2016 12:07 AM (P8951)

93 Fixed!
Posted by: Maetenloch



Oh thank you!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 22, 2016 12:08 AM (1xUj/)

94
The Rutles - All You Need Is Cash

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7bYjCbfX4

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 22, 2016 12:09 AM (kdS6q)

95 Right. I'm sure that's exactly why mass killers throughout recent history have picked out gun ranges and Friends Of NRA dinners as the venues for their attacks in order to maximize casualties.
Posted by: Socratease at June 22, 2016 12:02 AM (2GbWn)

____

If we had a functional MSM that actually asked questions and didn't repeat Dem talking points, someone would point this out.

Posted by: Ape That Got Shot at The Zoo Recently at June 22, 2016 12:09 AM (0LHZx)

96 Damn Ape sock be gone...ugh

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 22, 2016 12:09 AM (0LHZx)

97 79 I suspect that it was because they were caught between treating it as an
active shooter situation (go in quickly) or a hostage standoff (play
for time) along with the possibility of a Brussels bomber scenario. In
retrospect I think Mateen's call to 9-11 before SWAT arrived really
disrupted their plans because it pushed them into viewing it as a
hostage negotiation type situation early on.


Posted by: Maet

He did a good job of sowing confusion, as well as bullets. And don't forget he shot a cop in the head; his kevlar helmet saved him. He was supposedly an expert shooter, I imagine that gave them pause as well.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2016 12:09 AM (gyKtp)

98 86 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 22, 2016 12:05 AM (kdS6q)

I know two SWAT snipers back in Ohio they are or rather were since they are in their 50s now minimum that don't fit your scenario.

Look I have plenty of unflattering things to say about shit ROE, idiotic PC, Federal failures etc etc....

I've only ever been shot at once by a mass of gunfire and a couple of shots two other times.

I was 11, unarmed, and in a crowd of kids a dumbass was shooting through to try to hit a guy who stole his drugs and money....

I grabbed two younger kids, and ran them to safety and went back two times.

I can't fault their bravery....

I do fault their results.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:09 AM (g8Hfr)

99 75
>>We laughed when it was just Venezuela



And I continue to laugh now at crazy CA

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2016 12:01 AM (voOPb)


And it's starting to really piss me off that we're still here....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 12:10 AM (EzgxV)

100 Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at June 22, 2016 12:07 AM (P8951)

Prayers Donna, you're such a sweetheart

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 22, 2016 12:10 AM (voOPb)

101 That break dance vid is probably the coolest vid I've seen here ever. Those dudes killed it!

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at June 22, 2016 12:10 AM (g25eo)

102 76 The other fun which some SoCal ratepayers are looking at is having their electric bills rise sharply to pay for shutting down ahead of schedule CA's other big nuclear plant last year (San Onofre) and replacing it with far more costly "renewable" power.

I've seen some estimates that say San Diego electric rates may triple by 2025 from where they are right now, and where they are now ain't cheap.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 22, 2016 12:01 AM (noWW6)

These imbeciles did this to themselves and just haven't the faintest idea how this happened. It's like a guy severing both his Achilles' tendons with a bolt cutter and wondering why the hell he can't walk all of a sudden.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:10 AM (0mRoj)

103 Good luck, Donna. Hope the visit goes well.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 22, 2016 12:10 AM (XhS3T)

104 well fuck, one refresh and here I am

.....
Did the raped little girl have a Dad living at home? I'm sort of wondering if that apartment block is a Section 8 wonderland?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 12:03 AM (GSdpU)



==============
Mom and Grandma lived in the residence.
No dad, that I have found
I don't think they are mexican, they are either white or some other 'refugee'

supposedly 50+ 'migrant families' live in that shithole

Posted by: Jake at June 22, 2016 12:11 AM (1t2W9)

105 Thanks, Mis Hum. Goodnight, horde.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at June 22, 2016 12:11 AM (P8951)

106 Sounds like a successful launch.

http://spaceref.com/live/isro.html

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2016 12:12 AM (sdi6R)

107 I suspect that it was because they were caught between treating it as an
active shooter situation (go in quickly) or a hostage standoff<<<

The cops were already in the club for ten minutes 2:08 till 2:18. If they were inside the club and engaging Omar that's an embarrassment. If they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were they doing?



Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 22, 2016 12:12 AM (iV/zR)

108 85
Median salaries for midcareer Ph.D.s working full time fell 6% between 2010 and 2013.

... one reason why so many get multiple Masters instead of getting a PhD.

I knew a guy with 5 Masters degrees


Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 22, 2016 12:05 AM (e8kgV)


The PM have, IIRC, five Masters between them. All STEM.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 12:12 AM (EzgxV)

109 97 Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2016 12:09 AM (gyKtp)

There was a trained Military Truck Driver IIRC up in Michigan who treed 100 deputies for five hours by using skip shooting and obliques on an Earth mover....

there are plenty of people better at genuine MOUT than cops...Mateen was trained in MOUT to a high degree in my opinion....

not as good as an infantryman better than a lot of cops.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:13 AM (g8Hfr)

110 Mom and Grandma lived in the residence.
No dad, that I have found
I don't think they are mexican, they are either white or some other 'refugee'

supposedly 50+ 'migrant families' live in that shithole

Posted by: Jake at June 22, 2016 12:11 AM (1t2W9)


That little girl needs a big brother or an uncle to buy her a nice little pocket-size .22 automatic, and train her how to use it....

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 12:13 AM (GSdpU)

111 There was a WaPo article saying how amazing CA's economy is and comparing it to Kansas. You see, raising taxes in CA was good, lowering taxes in KS was bad. What they forgot to mention was that using pretty much every metric you want, CA's economy is worse than Kanas'. Reading the comments section hurt my brain.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 22, 2016 12:13 AM (0LHZx)

112 92 Wish me luck, horde. I woke up at 2 am Monday morning with severe chest and back pain. popped nitro and the pain stopped. I am going to the cardiologist tomorrow.

And next week - the orthopedic surgeon because my knee still hurts like hell. I'm falling apart all of a sudden.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at June 22, 2016 12:07 AM (P8951)

Ack! Get better Donna! I know the falling apart feeling. No heart issues but my joints are fcuked up.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:13 AM (0mRoj)

113 5 Heh. Heh. Ravi Shankar.


He spawned a reasonably talented gal. The very lovely Norah Jones.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 22, 2016 12:13 AM (psabq)

114
60 They retreated when they discovered they were outgunned. What!!!


Fuzzy-wuzzy Muzzie brandished a PopTart chewed into the shape of a gun.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2016 12:13 AM (BK3ZS)

115 All I've got is a Photograph

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2016 12:14 AM (EZebt)

116 When seconds count, a terminal police response is only a few hours away...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at June 22, 2016 12:14 AM (kP16F)

117 I've seen some estimates that say San Diego electric rates may triple by 2025 from where they are right now, and where they are now ain't cheap.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 22, 2016 12:01 AM (noWW6)

____

They'll keep doing this until it costs $2000 a month to run the A/C and then people will stop using it. Just like Europe!!!

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 22, 2016 12:15 AM (0LHZx)

118 MOUT - Military OP in Urban Terrain

Hell, I'm better trained in that than most cops.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 22, 2016 12:15 AM (rlfds)

119 The cops were already in the club for ten minutes 2:08 till 2:18. If they were inside the club and engaging Omar that's an embarrassment. If they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were they doing?



Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 22, 2016 12:12 AM (iV/zR)


Maybe they found some white powder on the bar, and were checking to see if it was cocaine.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 12:15 AM (GSdpU)

120 He was eating Brazilnuts out of my dirty asshole at the time.

He ought to be praised for his multitasking, rather than mocked.

Posted by: ace at January 30, 2007 03:42 PM (4qddO)



There's a gem from that Man's Advice for Women Thread.

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2016 12:15 AM (oeOT+)

121 Did the raped little girl have a Dad living at home? I'm sort of wondering if that apartment block is a Section 8 wonderland?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 12:03 AM (GSdpU)

____

Does it matter?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 22, 2016 12:17 AM (0LHZx)

122 108 >> If they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were they doing?

Well, if some reports can be believed (and the cops have not refuted this to date), they shot some of the victims themselves.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2016 12:17 AM (gyKtp)

123 122 108 >> If they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were they doing?

Well, if some reports can be believed (and the cops have not refuted this to date), they shot some of the victims themselves.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2016 12:17 AM (gyKtp)

Have any links?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:17 AM (0mRoj)

124 119
The cops were already in the club for ten minutes 2:08 till 2:18. If
they were inside the club and engaging Omar that's an embarrassment. If
they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were
they doing?







Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 22, 2016 12:12 AM (iV/zR)





Maybe they found some white powder on the bar, and were checking to see if it was cocaine.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 12:15 AM (GSdpU)


If they hadn't stopped to run all the plates in the parking lot through their traffic ticket database.....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 12:17 AM (EzgxV)

125 118 Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 22, 2016 12:15 AM (rlfds)

I have an L-3 permanent profile and fight weight from ~235-265 and I am probably STILL better at MOUT 20 years later than most cops.

Soldiers and cops train to different standards with different execution drills and desired outcomes.

Not bragging just fact....I had to watch a video of a Deputy getting killed by a Vietnam Vet 30 years after his ETS b/c the guy understood fire vectors in a way the kid wasn't taught before a contract once.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:17 AM (g8Hfr)

126 113 5 Heh. Heh. Ravi Shankar.

He spawned a reasonably talented gal. The very lovely Norah Jones.

And his other daughter is a great sitar player. Can't recall her first name, but I'm pretty sure she goes by Shankar.

Posted by: Vertov at June 22, 2016 12:19 AM (XMyTh)

127 Dang Donna, prayers for you.


You did make "popping nitro" sound pretty cool, illicit, and the feel good part of the whole ordeal

I know it is not and very serious. I pray you turn the corner soon.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty dodging Dylan's idea of water at June 22, 2016 12:19 AM (GJnhB)

128 The cops were already in the club for ten minutes 2:08 till 2:18. If
they were inside the club and engaging Omar that's an embarrassment. If
they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were
they doing?



Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 22, 2016 12:12 AM (iV/zR)

Slow-dancing to Lionel Richie ballads.

Posted by: jeannebodine at June 22, 2016 12:19 AM (5r98v)

129
They'll keep doing this until it costs $2000 a month to run the A/C and then people will stop using it. Just like Europe!!!
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo


And we'll be dying in the heat as happened in France a few years ago.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 22, 2016 12:19 AM (IqV8l)

130 If they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were they doing?

I do hope it wasn't 'research'.

Posted by: t-bird at June 22, 2016 12:19 AM (w35Hj)

131 129
They'll keep doing this until it costs $2000 a month to run the A/C and then people will stop using it. Just like Europe!!!
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

And we'll be dying in the heat as happened in France a few years ago.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 22, 2016 12:19 AM (IqV8l)

Eh. It'll mostly be old people, and God knows what a strain they are on the healthcare system. /sarc

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:20 AM (0mRoj)

132 I patrol the streets,
A loaded SIG Sauer at my side.
I shoot to kill,
You're pooch just can not hide.

I'm a SWAT cop,
On a steel BearCat I ride.
And I'm wanting,
To shoot your canine.

Posted by: Dog Jovi at June 22, 2016 12:20 AM (H9MG5)

133 Slow-dancing to Lionel Richie ballads.

Nope.

"Y-M-C-A!!"

Posted by: t-bird at June 22, 2016 12:21 AM (w35Hj)

134 If they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were they doing?

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt


THE WHYY EMMM CEEE AAAAAY!

/had to be done
/you were thinking it too
/if garret's tsunami jokes were cool

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2016 12:21 AM (p2X2f)

135 Not bragging just fact....I had to watch a video of a Deputy getting killed by a Vietnam Vet 30 years after his ETS b/c the guy understood fire vectors in a way the kid wasn't taught before a contract once.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:17 AM (g8Hfr)

---

Hasn't been as long for me. only been seven years since I got out.

Between the MOUT sites here at Ft Hood, NTC, and the hellhole that is Baghdad, don't think I can ever forget.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 22, 2016 12:21 AM (rlfds)

136 What they forgot to mention was that using pretty much every metric you want, CA's economy is worse than Kanas'. Reading the comments section hurt my brain.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 22, 2016 12:13 AM (0LHZx)


What I can't figure out is how people who aren't wealthy can afford housing in California.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2016 12:22 AM (+lVUW)

137 The link to the paprika article is broken.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 22, 2016 12:22 AM (FtrY1)

138
Posted by: sven10077



From the perspective of someone inside the LAPD killbox, the good ol' days of the TAC Squad white helmets riding to the rescue seem long gone.

Now the force is clock-watchers and diversity quota hires that can't do pull-ups or long division. Not much faith in Officer Friendly if things go egg-shaped.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 22, 2016 12:22 AM (kdS6q)

139 Does it matter?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 22, 2016 12:17 AM (0LHZx)


Doesn't make the little girl any less of an innocent victim, or make the crime any less horrible. But it might explain why the yutes and their father thought they could get away with it. You may note that the muzzie criminals in Eurostan are totally down with raping and robbing their fellow "refugees", too. Fouling their own nest, it's what they do.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 12:22 AM (GSdpU)

140 Melanie got $750? Isn't that like ten times too much?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 22, 2016 12:23 AM (Nwg0u)

141 Karaoke to 'It's Rainin' Men'.

Posted by: jeannebodine at June 22, 2016 12:23 AM (5r98v)

142 The cops were already in the club for ten minutes 2:08 till 2:18. If
they were inside the club and engaging Omar that's an embarrassment. If
they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were
they doing?
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 22, 2016 12:12 AM (iV/zR)


It's not clear if they were inside the club or just the very front entrance.
At that point all they knew was that at least one shooter had an AR-type rifle
and he had taken cover inside.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 22, 2016 12:23 AM (pAlYe)

143 "Slow-dancing to Lionel Richie ballads."


It's like Seth Rogan and Bill Hader were the first cops to show up.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill.....TEXIT at June 22, 2016 12:24 AM (9ym/8)

144 What I can't figure out is how people who aren't wealthy can afford housing in California.

They can easily afford housing- just not here. We have people driving hours a day just to get here.

And the new mileage tax will kill them.

Posted by: t-bird at June 22, 2016 12:24 AM (w35Hj)

145 123 >> Have any links?

Posted by: Insomniac

Lots of links pop up, including the NYT. Here's one from Redstate:

http://tinyurl.com/jsh2sx5

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2016 12:24 AM (gyKtp)

146
If they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were
they doing?
Posted by: Patina Awry Newt




Strike a pose -

Vogue

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 22, 2016 12:24 AM (kdS6q)

147 135 Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 22, 2016 12:21 AM (rlfds)

Nope. You never forget what the force now calls "battlemind" and I am NOT a combat veteran I imagine for those guys it is cranked to 10. Obama added "veteran" to "terror indicators" because he is a shithead but law enforcement is and has been nervous about military veterans since at least the First World War....look at Verne Miller for starters.

It's not a matter of being "superman" it is a matter of having a different binary impulse decision making tree than untrained people.

1) is there a threat?

2) am I equipped to interdict?

3) what will work run or gun?

The tree is different.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:24 AM (g8Hfr)

148 What I've heard is that Chuck Berry wanted $10,000 to do Woodstock. Supposedly the promoters agreed, but then he said he wanted cash up front, and they couldn't do that. For those who know the song - can you imagine "My Ding-a-ling" in the Woodstock movie?

Posted by: Vertov at June 22, 2016 12:26 AM (XMyTh)

149 131 129
They'll keep doing this until it costs $2000 a month to run the A/C and then people will stop using it. Just like Europe!!!
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

And we'll be dying in the heat as happened in France a few years ago.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 22, 2016 12:19 AM (IqV8l)

Eh. It'll mostly be old people, and God knows what a strain they are on the healthcare system. /sarc
Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:20 AM (0mRoj)


Plus, all those obscenely overpaid, liberal fatcats in the entertainment industry will still be able to afford air conditioning, so it really doesn't matter.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2016 12:26 AM (+lVUW)

150 142 Posted by: Maetenloch at June 22, 2016 12:23 AM (pAlYe)

I think the breach either completely failed OR barely broke and then mateen used their folly in going through the main choke as a kill point.

You can do amazing things with a known zone to beat down.....

It's a mess, I do know that OPD patrols either have an M-4 or a Rem 870 in their trunk...

I am curious why they did not gear up and interdict.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:27 AM (g8Hfr)

151 Girls Gone Boating ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/745291502725828608

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/745291662524616705

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/745291831743774720

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/745291997678833664

Posted by: kbdabear at June 22, 2016 12:27 AM (OWFcv)

152 138 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 22, 2016 12:22 AM (kdS6q)

When your electorate makes it very plain they hate you and elect politicians who actively f**k you at some point zeal breaks LDC....

If DeStalino gets re-elected NYPD will break.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:28 AM (g8Hfr)

153 "We're police officers! We aren't trained to handle this kind of violence!" - Demolition Man

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:28 AM (0mRoj)

154 I am curious why they did not gear up and interdict.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:27 AM (g8Hfr)

---

More concerned with being able to go home at the end of their shift would be my guess.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 22, 2016 12:28 AM (rlfds)

155 153 "We're police officers! We aren't trained to handle this kind of violence!" - Demolition Man
Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:28 AM (0mRoj)

---

Exactly, heh.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 22, 2016 12:29 AM (rlfds)

156 More Girls Gone Boating ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/745292150468939778

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/745292318463430656

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/745292463573721088

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/745292631492661248

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/745292927891554304

Posted by: kbdabear at June 22, 2016 12:30 AM (OWFcv)

157 145 123 >> Have any links?

Posted by: Insomniac

Lots of links pop up, including the NYT. Here's one from Redstate:

http://tinyurl.com/jsh2sx5
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2016 12:24 AM (gyKtp)

Thx. Holy hell, if this is right...

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:31 AM (0mRoj)

158 Dad could talk about peace and love out loud to the world, but he could never show it to the people who supposedly meant the most to him: his wife and son. How can you talk about peace and love and have a family in bits and pieces - no communication, adultery, divorce? You can't do it, not if you're being true and honest with yourself.

Julian Lennon

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 22, 2016 12:31 AM (Nwg0u)

159 154 Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 22, 2016 12:28 AM (rlfds)

I hope not.

NCJ thinks I am antipathetic to LE, Wyatt and a few others here know I am critical but sympathetic...

Keystone Kommandos are mocked for killing dogs in the name of "one way or another I am going home tonight"...if that literally is what went on then we are more f**ked than Fwance

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:32 AM (g8Hfr)

160
Brownsburg, Indiana man arrested, accused of supporting ISIL

http://tinyurl.com/zzkahlr

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 22, 2016 12:32 AM (IqV8l)

161
We were so close there was no room
We bled inside each other's wounds
We all had caught the same disease

Posted by: Melanie at June 22, 2016 12:33 AM (w35Hj)

162 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 22, 2016 12:31 AM (Nwg0u)

John Lennon was a right git where his first wife and his son were concerned.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:33 AM (0mRoj)

163 We were so close there was no room
We bled inside each other's wounds
We all had caught the same disease
Posted by: Melani
---------------

You tried the brown acid, didn't you?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 12:34 AM (w35Hj)

164 I shot the Shar Pei.
But I did not shoot the Doberman.

Posted by: Cop Marley at June 22, 2016 12:34 AM (H9MG5)

165 Keystone Kommandos are mocked for killing dogs in the name of "one way or another I am going home tonight"...if that literally is what went on then we are more f**ked than Fwance
Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:32 AM (g8Hfr)

---

With the number of troops here, the KPD are more than a little antsy when they pull them over. Plus, this city makes a fortune off pulling troops over for anything.

I have little love for cops.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 22, 2016 12:35 AM (rlfds)

166 Okay let the record reflect that it's Horde consensus that all the Orlando cops were cowards who just allowed people be slaughtered. And probably killed a bunch of them themselves.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 22, 2016 12:35 AM (pAlYe)

167 The reason: supply and demand.

...Which is a concept that is not taught at universities anymore, due to its being a notion of "dead white men."

Posted by: RKae at June 22, 2016 12:35 AM (BC050)

168 I don't think there's anything to be gained by double-plus-monday morning quarterbacking a LEO situation that was indecipherable from the outset.

I'm hesitant to question the actions of the first set of officers that responded. There is a less-than-zero chance that the first on scene were hesitating out of a fear because of the locale and the potential for blow-back from some aggressive response.

That said, someone should have told them that inside the club they witnessed a completely unchained dog.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2016 12:36 AM (p2X2f)

169 OPD seems to have a severe shortage of flash-bang grenades at their disposal, it seems?



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 12:37 AM (v5iqM)

170 The reason: supply and demand.

...Which is a concept that is not taught at universities anymore, due to its being a notion of "dead white men."
Posted by: RKae
----------

Adam Smith.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 12:37 AM (w35Hj)

171 "That said, someone should have told them that inside the club they witnessed a completely unchained dog."


Cheeky.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill.....TEXIT at June 22, 2016 12:38 AM (9ym/8)

172 168 I don't think there's anything to be gained by double-plus-monday morning quarterbacking a LEO situation that was indecipherable from the outset.

OPD had better be Monday-morning quarterbacking the hell out of this clusterfuck, or they're worse than useless.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:38 AM (0mRoj)

173 What I can't figure out is how people who aren't wealthy can afford housing in California.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2016 12:22 AM (+lVUW)


I live behind one of the most prestigious dumpsters in Los Angeles. It's a stretch, but it can be done.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 22, 2016 12:39 AM (sl+zA)

174 Please don't lump me in with all that Maet.

I am up for the "workplace threats" seminar next month, so I am going to interested in what we are to be taught.


Posted by: Kindltot at June 22, 2016 12:39 AM (ry34m)

175 173 What I can't figure out is how people who aren't wealthy can afford housing in California.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2016 12:22 AM (+lVUW)

I live behind one of the most prestigious dumpsters in Los Angeles. It's a stretch, but it can be done.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 22, 2016 12:39 AM (sl+zA)

I bet your cardboard box is gold-plated, isn't it? Damn Californicators...

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:40 AM (0mRoj)

176 The reason: supply and demand.

...Which is a concept that is not taught at universities anymore, due to its being a notion of "dead white men."

-
White people's greed causes a world in need.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 22, 2016 12:40 AM (Nwg0u)

177 "Funny the killer seemed to have no problem with finding and shooting people in the dark".

The only valid counterargument is that the shooter doesn't care who he hits. If in the dark, he sees some slight movement, he's going to shoot. An armed patron at the club is going to try not to shoot an innocent person.

Posted by: Bill at June 22, 2016 12:40 AM (FbFKQ)

178 >>>Cheeky.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill.....TEXIT at June 22, 2016 12:38 AM (9ym/<<<

Yes. There were chaps being worn.



Posted by: dog that was unchained in the club because the owner was wearing the collar at June 22, 2016 12:41 AM (H9MG5)

179 What I can't figure out is how people who aren't wealthy can afford housing in California.
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2016 12:22 AM (+lVUW


Some call them "arrangements" others are openly internet models ie "escorts"

Way too much supply as my friends and family in Colorado, Arizona, San Fran, La, and San Diego say college girls to courgars are openly and shamelessly selling their tail cheap and aggressively at places like the grocery store in some college towns (I'm looking at you Arizona State, 2 sorority daughters making dad proud for 300 bucks together for the night)

When the aupply of tail floods and prices plummet, THAT will trigger the next housing collapse.

Sorry to sound crass.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty falling deeper into the Abyas at June 22, 2016 12:42 AM (GJnhB)

180
Adam Smith.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 12:37 AM (w35Hj)


Pft. Copernicus, Juan de Mariana and Thomas Malthus as well.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 22, 2016 12:43 AM (ry34m)

181
"Okay let the record reflect that it's Horde consensus that all the Orlando cops were cowards who just allowed people be slaughtered."


At some point there will be an after action report from the cops. Then a real one after the lawyers get them under oath and start doing crosstabs.

We'll see.

"And probably killed a bunch of them themselves."

Quite likely, actually.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 22, 2016 12:43 AM (kdS6q)

182 Hey everybody.

UCI is where the woman who got me fired, for baseless sexual harassment claims, got her masters in psych.

http://tinyurl.com/ju8ukyn

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 22, 2016 12:43 AM (q7T0y)

183
166
Okay let the record reflect that it's Horde consensus that all the
Orlando cops were cowards who just allowed people be slaughtered. And
probably killed a bunch of them themselves.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 22, 2016 12:35 AM (pAlYe)


It's one conjecture. We'll see what the facts support, assuming we get any.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 12:44 AM (EzgxV)

184 166 Okay let the record reflect that it's Horde consensus that all the
Orlando cops were cowards who just allowed people be slaughtered. And
probably killed a bunch of them themselves.


Jeez, Maet, that's kinda harsh.

I'm out. There's always tomorrow.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2016 12:44 AM (gyKtp)

185 166 Posted by: Maetenloch at June 22, 2016 12:35 AM (pAlYe)

Somehow Amarillo PD managed to retire THEIR Sudeen Jihadist Syndrome candidate quicker.

There are of course some inarguable differences.

1) the Somali was not as well trained as Federal Contracts epowered G4S(nee Wackenhut) to train Mateen

2) the Somali was not a splodey dope Maet

3) Amarillo PD's on site officers maintained tactical control of the Somali by refusing to cede space.

There are several I would hope uncontroversial avenues of inquiry on other differences.

4) differences in departmental doctrine?

5) the impact of political correctness on the two dpeartments

6) any political pressures involved.

I am not besmirching OPD other than to say the notion one aggressor witrh a single Carbine and Pistol even with "splodey doping" outguns the Orlando Patrol response.

Look I challenge ANYONE causally dismissing the OPD's bravery to go to a tavern or night club and look hard at the entry/egress points and think "man approaching a trained marksman through these killpoints is cakewalk"

When I first left my military service I could juggle a 2*4 with an SKS sporter D to a slow five count....

with my M-96 swede I could break broomsticks Iron sight more than 80% accurately at 50 paces.

Nothing was easy that night BUT Maet we have interdicted worse situations more ably in the past.

We MUST learn from this failure cascade.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:44 AM (g8Hfr)

186 Considering what went down in San Jose, what with the cops looking the other way while convention-goers were getting the snot beaten outta them, it's no wonder that some of us see cops in a less-than-flattering light.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 22, 2016 12:45 AM (rlfds)

187 Pft. Copernicus, Juan de Mariana and Thomas Malthus as well.
Posted by: Kindltot
----------
I'll your Mathus and raise you a Tartaglia

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 12:46 AM (w35Hj)

188 177 Posted by: Bill at June 22, 2016 12:40 AM (FbFKQ)

Very true...of course I am not certain OPD going mad minute could math wise have produced worse results than Mateen managed.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:46 AM (g8Hfr)

189 Okay let the record reflect that it's Horde consensus that all the Orlando cops were cowards who just allowed people be slaughtered. And probably killed a bunch of them themselves.

Posted by: Maetenloch


Meat, that's not a fair representation of the thousands of the Ace of Spades commenters who haven't had a chance to denounce the OPD.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2016 12:46 AM (p2X2f)

190 168
I don't think there's anything to be gained by double-plus-monday
morning quarterbacking a LEO situation that was indecipherable from the
outset.

I'm hesitant to question the actions of the first set of
officers that responded. There is a less-than-zero chance that the
first on scene were hesitating out of a fear because of the locale and
the potential for blow-back from some aggressive response.

That said, someone should have told them that inside the club they witnessed a completely unchained dog.


Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2016 12:36 AM (p2X2f)


The FACT that they were censoring the original 911 call, and now claim to have "come clean" about EVERYTHING, when they have only released [edited] transcripts from ONE CALL, does not speak well for the level of accuracy we're going to get from official accounts.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 12:46 AM (EzgxV)

191 I'll your Mathus and raise you a Tartaglia
Posted by: Mike Hammer
-------------

Oops.
I'll see your Malthus and raise....

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 12:46 AM (w35Hj)

192 On the Orlando Massacre -
First Up, The Administration are simply islamist sympathizers.
Not starting with Orlando, but day zero with the Administration.No more nor less than Tokyo Rose or Lord Haha.

Lastly, that is all.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 22, 2016 12:47 AM (P/kVC)

193 It's not clear if they were inside the club or just the very front entrance.
<<<

2:08 a.m.: Officers from various law enforcement agencies made entrance to Pulse and engaged the shooter.

This is a direct declarative statement.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 22, 2016 12:47 AM (iV/zR)

194 There's sort of three hours that we don't know anything about.

There will be stories, but it will take a long time before there are stories we can believe.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 22, 2016 12:48 AM (1xUj/)

195 The FACT that they were censoring the original 911 call, and now claim to have "come clean" about EVERYTHING, when they have only released [edited] transcripts from ONE CALL, does not speak well for the level of accuracy we're going to get from official accounts.

Posted by: cthulhu


Slow down.

'They' isn't the 'they' in the first responders sense.

We're gonna have to be clear here, yes?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2016 12:48 AM (p2X2f)

196 There will be stories, but it will take a long time before there are stories we can believe.

Posted by: Bandersnatch
-------------

Orlando is going to loose big on this.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 12:49 AM (w35Hj)

197 We MUST learn from this failure cascade.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:44 AM (g8Hfr)

I think this is the single most important point out of all this - from the complete failure of federal law enforcement to do anything despite multiple warnings about the terrorist, to the inadequate response on the ground by local law enforcement.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 12:49 AM (0mRoj)

198 Good lord, I've heard about this. Muppet Fighting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvTqknDobU

(flip to 1:10 to get past the emo moodiness)

Posted by: Kindltot at June 22, 2016 12:49 AM (ry34m)

199 168 Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2016 12:36 AM (p2X2f)

I am not CT trained, of course Law Enforcement has stood oddly silent about the Obama Admin quietly removing "Jihad" "Wahabbbi" and "Islamist" from CT Intelligence training and undersold analysis of the nature of Jihad attacks on western cities.

OPD better be figuring out a LOT of "lessons learned" analysis given the desirability and vulnerability of it as a tourist mecca full of soft targets in strange environs.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:50 AM (g8Hfr)

200 ... from the complete failure refusal of federal law enforcement..

-----------------

Just saying.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 12:51 AM (w35Hj)

201 193 Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 22, 2016 12:47 AM (iV/zR)

A firefight like that is a game of feet....

I'd be interested to see how deep the breach of the AO went.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:51 AM (g8Hfr)

202 >>>Good lord, I've heard about this. Muppet Fighting!
Posted by: Kindltot at June 22, 2016 12:49 AM (ry34m)<<<



Hiiiiiii-yaaa! **karate chops**

Posted by: Miss Piggy at June 22, 2016 12:51 AM (H9MG5)

203 Back already? Yeah.

Irony of ironies, from the Gutfield piece:

We have killed debate. To better enhance well-being, one must be able to argue and even allow oneself to be proven wrong. Science is all about that: prove me wrong, please. Now, no one wants to be wrong, even when it's an abstract debate.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2016 12:52 AM (gyKtp)

204 195
The FACT that they were censoring the original 911 call, and now
claim to have "come clean" about EVERYTHING, when they have only
released [edited] transcripts from ONE CALL, does not speak well for the
level of accuracy we're going to get from official accounts.

Posted by: cthulhu

Slow down.

'They' isn't the 'they' in the first responders sense.

We're gonna have to be clear here, yes?



Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2016 12:48 AM (p2X2f)


Oh, I'm agreed in that regard. It wasn't the guys on the ground who censored the transcripts. But my comment was a follow-on to my comment @183 -- "assuming we get any".

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 12:52 AM (EzgxV)

205 I'm a former cop, both military and civilian. SMFH is a soldier. We both concur on the fact that there was some kind of clusterfuck that precluded a prompt resolution of the Pulse Club event.

The exact nature and details of that clusterfuck are simultaneously being sought out by Morons and our kind off-site, and being desperately covered-up by Lerhner and her ilk from the despotic left.

The battle then, is who can most accurately and speedily realize the facts of the matter, and then either disclose them as is proper, or cover them over as is Politically Correct.

I'm on the side of disclosure, no matter the potential embarassments.

Fuck P.C. WAR!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 12:54 AM (v5iqM)

206 Let's get everyone from Orlando in a room and I can figure this out. Just takes time.

Posted by: Zombie SLA Marshall at June 22, 2016 12:55 AM (FtrY1)

207 156 More Girls Gone Boating ONT Compliance Pics


About 10-12 years ago, I went on a huge Yacht a friend owned (his father bought him a 7000sq ft mountain lodge in Colorado most expenaive ski resort for graduating from college) He dated the hottest girl West of the Mississppi. Her friends were super hot and were hot models but not fashion models.

It was me, him, and two other good ole boys. His girl brought 15 "friends" to roll with us for the weekend of the coast.

If you have any questions about the conduct of a activities, I'll try to indulge you. If not then hast young women on a Yatch stories are all true if you have heard rumors.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty falling deeper into the Abyas at June 22, 2016 12:57 AM (GJnhB)

208 205 Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 12:54 AM (v5iqM)

Well written Jim.

What is new is the willful effort of the Federal Government to mislead and misidentify what happened in the pursuit of a few free swings at the Domestic Policy Pinata....

These actions by the Federal Government have undermined public credulity unfairly in my opinion on the credibility of the local forces who were actually in play.

This failure is worse than several failures of India's CT forces or the attacks in Bali....

this is not what we are supposed to expect from law enforcement from the FBI all the way down to OPD.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 12:59 AM (g8Hfr)

209 205
I'm a former cop, both military and civilian. SMFH is a soldier. We
both concur on the fact that there was some kind of clusterfuck that
precluded a prompt resolution of the Pulse Club event.



The exact nature and details of that clusterfuck are simultaneously
being sought out by Morons and our kind off-site, and being desperately
covered-up by Lerhner and her ilk from the despotic left.



The battle then, is who can most accurately and speedily realize the
facts of the matter, and then either disclose them as is proper, or
cover them over as is Politically Correct.



I'm on the side of disclosure, no matter the potential embarassments.



Fuck P.C. WAR!







Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 12:54 AM (v5iqM)


The first and most effective clusterfuck that directly caused the slaughter's horrific extent was that the venue was "gun-free". If even 1% of the 300 people in the club were armed, the number of total casualties would have likely been +/-20 -- with maybe as few as 5 fatalities. [You don't leave perforated people lying on the ground for 3 hours without significantly enhancing fatalities.]

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 01:00 AM (EzgxV)

210 the OPD response is inconsistent with most training Ive seen in recent years. I dont know what additional info they had, or what they were doing, but some hard questions are going to coming at that scene commander. Not by us assholes on the internet; but by his own community.

One thing I dont' get -- how was Omar able to have a cell phone conversation after rocking a couple of hundred rounds in an enclosed space?

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:00 AM (Doh4+)

211 Good lord, I've heard about this. Muppet Fighting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvTqknDobU

(flip to 1:10 to get past the emo moodiness)
Posted by: Kindltot at June 22, 2016 12:49 AM (ry34m)


Better yet, Muppen Apocalypse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr9_e4ySRYA

Posted by: The Muppet Hat at June 22, 2016 01:00 AM (vBeA5)

212 Ugh. Sounds like the road behind me is a drag strip for rice burners right now.

Posted by: wondering where I can find a spike strip at 1AM? at June 22, 2016 01:01 AM (H9MG5)

213 too fast on the return

... were the clubs acoustics so good the cops outside didn't hear the additional shots?

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:01 AM (Doh4+)

214 Better yet, Muppet Apocalypse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr9_e4ySRYA

Fixed

Posted by: The Muppet Hat at June 22, 2016 01:02 AM (vBeA5)

215 210 Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:00 AM (Doh4+)

They gave him 179 minutes to play in....

and the joys of Bluetooth I'd wager....

forgive me horde...

"Hello I am Omar I am your Apple tech support this evening"

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:02 AM (g8Hfr)

216 213 Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:01 AM (Doh4+)

Well you know he wasn't using a suppressor or the news would have been in a frenzy over the use finally of a NAF stamped weapon in a crime.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:03 AM (g8Hfr)

217 One thing I dont' get -- how was Omar able to have a cell phone conversation after rocking a couple of hundred rounds in an enclosed space?

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:00 AM (Doh4+)



How much you wanna bet he was sporting a set of Peltor or Howard Leight, noise cancelling electronic headsets?

And how much do you wanna also bet, that there's hardly a SWAT team out there that uses the higher end ones, in conjunction with interface to the secure PD scrambled channels?

I thought so.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:04 AM (v5iqM)

218 211 Good lord, I've heard about this. Muppet Fighting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvTqknDobU

(flip to 1:10 to get past the emo moodiness)
Posted by: Kindltot at June 22, 2016 12:49 AM (ry34m)

Better yet, Muppen Apocalypse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr9_e4ySRYA
Posted by: The Muppet Hat at June 22, 2016 01:00 AM (vBeA5)

You are one sick puppy. I dig the nod to Fraggle Rock though.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 01:05 AM (0mRoj)

219 The 911 calls have been sanitized and aren't being released in full. What about radio chatter? There have to be people that record that. I have to believe some honesty slipped out there. Why hasn't a journalist tracked that down and reported on it

Posted by: Willy J. at June 22, 2016 01:05 AM (Yskl0)

220 The media still isn't running with the name of the imam who called for the compassionate killing of gays in Orlando, in March.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:05 AM (Doh4+)

221 217
One thing I dont' get -- how was Omar able to have a cell phone
conversation after rocking a couple of hundred rounds in an enclosed
space?



Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:00 AM (Doh4+)





How much you wanna bet he was sporting a set of Peltor or Howard Leight, noise cancelling electronic headsets?



And how much do you wanna also bet, that there's hardly a SWAT team
out there that uses the higher end ones, in conjunction with interface
to the secure PD scrambled channels?



I thought so.





Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX



Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:04 AM (v5iqM)


It should be remembered that this guy wanted to be a cop and actually was a security guard -- he knew what was being used by those "in the biz".

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 01:06 AM (EzgxV)

222 219 Posted by: Willy J. at June 22, 2016 01:05 AM (Yskl0)

There's an election to be won my friend...

Ogabe is 2 for 3 political seasons he has been actively campaigning in having major slaughters...

"good work Bark"

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:06 AM (g8Hfr)

223 Anyone want to talk about wild women and/or menand fun times from our youth?

We need to build walls around Muslims in this country, like Poe describes in the tale of Fortunado having his fate sealed into a wall by his friend. I see zero draw backs from this.

Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 01:06 AM (GJnhB)

224 Anyone with any degree of experience can recognize the sound of gunfire. It was certainly evident to those in and around the club. I have now idea how many rounds the guy fired, nor whether they were in bursts with long lapses, or fairly continuous, but any thinking person would have figured that people were dying inside.

Three hours is two hours and fifty five minutes too long. I acknowledge that the cops were probably intimidated, but the mindset to deal with that is supposed to be a distinction between a cop and a bystander.

I suppose that in the fullness of time this will all be sorted out, we shall see. I'm only surprised that this hasn't happened before. It is almost impossible to guard against.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 01:07 AM (w35Hj)

225 -
One thing I dont' get -- how was Omar able to have a
cell phone conversation after rocking a couple of hundred rounds in an
enclosed space?

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:00 AM
----------------

I haven't been following news on this, but do we know that he definitely didn't use ear protection? He would certainly be familiar with it.

Posted by: irright at June 22, 2016 01:07 AM (XfEYT)

226 Jim, he would have had to, just havent seen any mention of them

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:08 AM (Doh4+)

227 220 Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:05 AM (Doh4+)

Nope and I linked to it as they were cleaning up the mess.

Omar Mateen's imam is not GOP, NRA, a Mason, Amish, a Shriner, a member of the Rotary Club, the AARP....

he was a member of some other group.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:08 AM (g8Hfr)

228 219
The 911 calls have been sanitized and aren't being released in full.
What about radio chatter? There have to be people that record that. I
have to believe some honesty slipped out there. Why hasn't a journalist
tracked that down and reported on it


Posted by: Willy J. at June 22, 2016 01:05 AM (Yskl0)


I'll take, "because 'journalists' are utter whores in thrall to 'Progressivism' for a thousand, Alex."

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 01:08 AM (EzgxV)

229 Don't most metro police departments have self-propelled robots now, used to investigate and/or defuse bombs, or suspected bombs? And don't those robots have video cameras, with night-vision capability?


Seems to me such a robot could have been put to good use in the Orlando situation, without putting cops' asses in the line of fire.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 01:08 AM (GSdpU)

230 223 Anyone want to talk about wild women and/or menand fun times from our youth?

I would but it would mostly be fiction. The best years of my life are gone forever, and they weren't all that great.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 01:08 AM (0mRoj)

231 This has nothing to do with the OPD situation, but I've been wondering about it since it was revealed the jihadi had been investigated by the FBI two times previously.


What, specifically, could the feds or local law enforcement actually *do* about this guy, even if they thought he was dangerous? Were there any charges that could have been brought to hold/harass/delay/distract him, based on what we know about his actions? Had be broken any laws prior to his atrocity?


This is pertinent to the cosmic, "the feds dropped the ball" issue, as the jihadi had been on a watch list.


Though by this point, obviously, the Congress and the judiciary would surprise no sensible observer if they actually trashed the elements of the former constitutional order pertaining to detention, assumption of innocence, etc. - they haven't done so yet. So how would this guy be arrested or detained prior to the atrocity?


Just wondering, replaying this scenario, what the FBI could have/should have done.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2016 01:09 AM (QDnY+)

232 >>>he was a member of some other group.


Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:08 AM (g8Hfr)<<<

Players Club?



Posted by: zombie Telly Savalas at June 22, 2016 01:09 AM (H9MG5)

233 well, maybe before we go passing new legislation we should have get the full action report and see who shot whom and when?

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 22, 2016 01:10 AM (AoSQU)

234 >>If you have any questions about the conduct of a activities, I'll try to indulge you. If not then hast young women on a Yatch stories are all true if you have heard rumors.



I cleaned Blue Water Boats for a dealer in Seattle for a couple of summers. He'd let us live on the yachts we were cleaning. Quite the panty dropper those yachts.

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2016 01:10 AM (oeOT+)

235 sven your link is the only reason I know about it ...

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:11 AM (Doh4+)

236 229 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 01:08 AM (GSdpU)

An EOD shotgun ground drone?

Eh maybe....I don't think they are tactical.

You know what would have worked well though?

https://youtu.be/SNPJMk2fgJU

Quadcopter with MG

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:11 AM (g8Hfr)

237 Hey, overnighters. Hope things are going well here tonight.

I'm just passing by on my way to bed and thought I'd briefly manifest my online presence, you know, just keepin' it (virtually) real.

Spending the night down at Mom's. Going to celebrate her birthday tomorrow. She showed us a really great picture, that her club uses in promotion, of her with the fitness trainer she's worked with for a couple of decades. All in all, she's pretty nifty -- ninety-six, going on fifty.

!

Posted by: mindful webworker - innocently bystanding at June 22, 2016 01:11 AM (r1Mzb)

238 233 well, maybe before we go passing new legislation we should have get the full action report and see who shot whom and when?

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 22, 2016 01:10 AM (AoSQU)

That's just crazy talk!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 01:12 AM (0mRoj)

239 Regardless of the choke point.

Good MOUT training would have 'em go in behind a wave of eight or more flash-bang grenades, en masse and slicing the pie withal.

Anyone inside with hardware in hand, dies.

It is a very aggressive and pre-judgmentally deadly approach.

But nothing less was called for, and they simply didn't do it.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:12 AM (v5iqM)

240 Seems to me such a robot could have been put to good use in the Orlando situation, without putting cops' asses in the line of fire.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Takes a while to deploy. Not agile. Suitable for bombs, or observation. Not much good as a weapon.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 01:12 AM (w35Hj)

241 It's now expected that the Feds and local admin will foul up the action and the following reports. In my mind and please correct me if I am wrong, that first entry, in those 10 minutes it was free form, ad libitum with no direction from the CYA crowd.

For the rest of it they should hire Jim as consultant.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 22, 2016 01:12 AM (iV/zR)

242 >>Seems to me such a robot could have been put to good use in the Orlando situation, without putting cops' asses in the line of fire.


All they needed was like half a Gurkha.

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2016 01:13 AM (oeOT+)

243 237
Hey, overnighters. Hope things are going well here tonight.



I'm just passing by on my way to bed and thought I'd briefly
manifest my online presence, you know, just keepin' it (virtually) real.



Spending the night down at Mom's. Going to celebrate her birthday
tomorrow. She showed us a really great picture, that her club uses in
promotion, of her with the fitness trainer she's worked with for a
couple of decades. All in all, she's pretty nifty -- ninety-six, going
on fifty.



!

Posted by: mindful webworker - innocently bystanding at June 22, 2016 01:11 AM (r1Mzb)


Wish her well from the Moron Horde!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 01:13 AM (EzgxV)

244 rhomb -- I'm sure the FBI guys made an off-the-record call some former FBI guys at Wackenhut and made sure he guarding malls and not nuke power plants. But, beyond that I don't know - Im sure they have a hundred guys just like him at every FBI field office.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:13 AM (Doh4+)

245 235 Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:11 AM (Doh4+)

I am as on top of this as I can be while not being as insane as 2012 drive me.

I am not bragging or looking for praise you do understand in 2012 Richard Grenell and I were a LOT more right about Benghazi than the US media and some "right of center" Obama admin apologists who aped Obama mistruths on what assets we had in theater?

I work hard to understand these things....the US media is engaged in an active and willful campaign to protect the democrats from being exposed on their stupidity on Islam....

the media would gladly rather see 100+ million Americans die than Globalist Corporatism suffer.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:14 AM (g8Hfr)

246 If you have any questions about the conduct of a activities, I'll try to indulge you. If not then hast young women on a Yatch stories are all true if you have heard rumors.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty falling deeper into the Abyas at June 22, 2016 12:57 AM (GJnhB)



Amigo, I lived on my sailboat for seven years. Beyond which, I plead the filth.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:15 AM (v5iqM)

247 An EOD shotgun ground drone?

Eh maybe....I don't think they are tactical.

You know what would have worked well though?

https://youtu.be/SNPJMk2fgJU

Quadcopter with MG

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:11 AM (g8Hfr)


I was thinking more along the lines of using the robot to create a diversion. Equip it with some blinding lights, for one. Have it come rumbling in the front door, lights blazing, making noise, and then two sharpshooters slip in through the rear door, and plink the perp while he's silhouetted in the lights.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 01:15 AM (GSdpU)

248 Jim, that they eventually breached tells me they had some recon of the inside

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:15 AM (Doh4+)

249 239 Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:12 AM (v5iqM)

That's similar to how I would have thought it should be played with my admittedly limited grasp of the intricacies of CT doctrine.

As an infantryman 3 soldiers would take the guy out using bounding and grenades...

as I said and meant upthread...I am not being hateful in my analysis I am pointing out different technicians carry different tactical doctrine luggage.

Something went VERY wrong here.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:16 AM (g8Hfr)

250 What I can't figure out is how people who aren't wealthy can afford housing in California.
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2016 12:22 AM (+lVUW)

____

For the well paid, they spend $2500 on a shitty 1 bedroom apartment.

For the not so well paid, they live 7 people in a 2 bedroom apartment or live at home with mom and dad.

Same with NYC. When I lived there I knew a lot of people in their 40s who still had roommates. Which I thought was so weird. Like by the time you hit 30, you really should be able to afford to live on your own.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 22, 2016 01:17 AM (0LHZx)

251 If you have any questions about the conduct of a activities, I'll try to indulge you. If not then hast young women on a Yatch stories are all true if you have heard rumors.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty falling deeper into the Abyas at June 22, 2016 12:57 AM (GJnhB)


Amigo, I lived on my sailboat for seven years. Beyond which, I plead the filth.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:15 AM (v5iqM)




So was your boat named "New Dawn"

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 22, 2016 01:18 AM (AoSQU)

252 244 Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:13 AM (Doh4+)

He guarded a federal courthouse armed....

threatening to kill a St Lucie deputy....

I suspect he was a "pet wolf" his dad is a rather connected NYC dem.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:18 AM (g8Hfr)

253 231
This has nothing to do with the OPD situation, but I've been wondering
about it since it was revealed the jihadi had been investigated by the
FBI two times previously.<<<

I don't think they investigated him as thoroughly as they do a new hire.
Also, TV said the type of investigation they were doing requires them to repetitively resubmit why they should continue. PC/ROE

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 22, 2016 01:19 AM (iV/zR)

254 242
>>Seems to me such a robot could have been put to good use in the
Orlando situation, without putting cops' asses in the line of fire.





All they needed was like half a Gurkha.

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2016 01:13 AM (oeOT+)


No shit. Someone gets a way of doing cloud support by the deciGurkha is going to totally clobber bricks-and-mortar police departments.....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 01:19 AM (EzgxV)

255 Actually, I'm waiting for the made for TV movie to know what to think about Orlando. Sure that ABC/Disney is working 24-7 to get their message out.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 22, 2016 01:19 AM (FtrY1)

256 Yeah my question of why journalists aren't digging on this was stupid. But from the little info we have people died because they bleed out slow in the 3 hour wait for the SWAT entry. I get it's a sucky decision with the unknowns but what did the wait change once the teams were on scene?

Posted by: Willy J. at June 22, 2016 01:20 AM (Yskl0)

257 Just wondering, replaying this scenario, what the FBI could have/should have done.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2016 01:09 AM (QDnY+)

___

Yeah me too. You can't arrest the guy because aside from saying things we don't like he hadn't actually done anything. And it's also not feasible to have the FBi watch him 24/7 forever and ever just in case he does do something.

The reality is we can't be 100% safe. Bad guys will do bad shit, no matter what the FBI does or doesn't do.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 22, 2016 01:20 AM (0LHZx)

258 What I can't figure out is how people who aren't wealthy can afford housing in California.
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 22, 2016 12:22 AM (+lVUW)


The smart ones live on a boat, but, what do I know?


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:20 AM (v5iqM)

259 FL cops wouldn't give a rats ass about a NYC politician, unless the Feds were protecting him in some way.

I wonder if his gay tendencies were being used to twist his father in whatever Afghan politics dance was going on. (ok, tinfoil hat off)

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:21 AM (Doh4+)

260 We need to build walls around Muslims in this country, like Poe describes in the tale of Fortunado having his fate sealed into a wall by his friend. I see zero draw backs from this.

I see the price of Amontillado going through the roof ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hoplology Critic ... at June 22, 2016 01:22 AM (AoK0a)

261 My question about this scum applies generally. If there's no "material support for terrorism" or similar rap available from surveillance, no illegal arms purchases, etc., yet somebody's a smoking, hizzing fuse, how do we pre-empt him?


Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2016 01:22 AM (QDnY+)

262 So was your boat named "New Dawn"

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 22, 2016 01:18 AM (AoSQU)


Oh shit, he's on to me now.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:22 AM (v5iqM)

263 The reality is we can't be 100% safe. Bad guys will do bad shit, no matter what the FBI does or doesn't do.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 22, 2016 01:20 AM (0LHZx)


Omar could have just gone missing one day. Lots of sinkholes in Florida.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 01:23 AM (GSdpU)

264 I really want to know who paid for Saudi trips and what did he do while there.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:23 AM (Doh4+)

265 231 Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2016 01:09 AM (QDnY+)

A few things:

1) Omar Mateen was making threats starting in the 3d grade.

2) Mateen is on his permanent record known to have wildly celebrated the WTC imploding.... you know where he was? NYC

3) Mateen was investigated 2 times by an FBI CT Intel team WRT no less than six incidents of overt violent threats made at G4S(nee Wackenhut) dismissing reports of his temperment b/c "wacist"

4) Mateen was reported to be attempting to acquire body armor and I will be shocked if he was not trying to get trauma bags with sulfa and other battlefield medical gear.

Now WRT Item 3 Obama removed "Jihad" and "Islam" from CT Intel theory....

Could we at least start with adding those two words back in, and you know MAYBE NOT HAVING JIHADISTS WORKING GODDAMNED DHS SECURITY CONTRACTS?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:24 AM (g8Hfr)

266 259 Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:21 AM (Doh4+)

The investigatory body was FBI....

Mr Mateen the elder has several pic with Rangel, Schumer, and Gram Gram....

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:25 AM (g8Hfr)

267 So, Jim, by "pleading the filth (!)", I'm guessing your basically making some admission there.


Like my typo last week, "humilitry", this "pleading the filth" thing would be great fodder for the daywalkers, or others with more remaining energy and lower BAC numbers then the ONT crew.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2016 01:25 AM (QDnY+)

268 230 223 Anyone want to talk about wild women and/or menand fun times from our youth?

I would but it would mostly be fiction. The best years of my life are gone forever, and they weren't all that great.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 01:08 AM (0mRoj)

Feel free to lay some fresh tracks of fiction down.

I made it to 3rd base in College with my insainly beautiful Study Partner for Geography and the next year she was way hawter in Kinesiology class. I about butted in my pants when she spotted me in a class of a few 100 and sat right next to me. She was in Playboys girls of Ten Big 12. She banked off of that because she was a natural Playboy blonde Centerfold and very smart. She had a long time red head boyfriend, who was one ugly mother kick strap.


Like that mattered to me. That is my peak when it comes to quality plus exclusivity plus total bases per attempt.

Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 01:25 AM (GJnhB)

269 cthulhu: Wish her well from the Moron Horde!!!!

I will do that. Y'know what's funny. She'll know who I mean.

G'nite.

Posted by: mindful webworker - innocent byproduct at June 22, 2016 01:25 AM (r1Mzb)

270 so when the feds take over cases do they take over the evidence as well? who is going to have the slugs, original tapes and so on?

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 22, 2016 01:25 AM (AoSQU)

271 >>>I see the price of Amontillado going through the roof ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hoplology Critic ... at June 22, 2016 01:22 AM (AoK0a)<<<

You'll afford to buy casks...

... nevermore!

Posted by: a raven at June 22, 2016 01:26 AM (H9MG5)

272 rhomboid.

We gotta get drunk sometime. Capiche?



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:26 AM (v5iqM)

273 257 Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 22, 2016 01:20 AM (0LHZx)

Sorry no dice, the guy was not "bob off the street" if Team Jackass is really "concerned deeply concerned" with "terrorists gettting guns" maybe they can you know yank the State and Federal licenses of people who make Jihadist threats as Character risks?

You carry a Series G license at the leisure of the state...if I threatened a St Lucie deputy on a Florida Series G license I'd be done...my ticket would be yanked.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:27 AM (g8Hfr)

274 Oh shit, he's on to me now.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:22 AM (v5iqM)



really?

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 22, 2016 01:27 AM (AoSQU)

275 >>>Omar could have just gone missing one day. Lots of sinkholes in Florida.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 01:23 AM (GSdpU)<<<

Too bad he didn't attempt a beachfront assault on a Disney hotel.

Posted by: a hungry gator at June 22, 2016 01:27 AM (H9MG5)

276 The cops were already in the club for ten minutes 2:08 till 2:18. If they were inside the club and engaging Omar that's an embarrassment. If they were inside the club for 10 minutes and not engaging him what were they doing?

Last call?

Posted by: Weirddave at June 22, 2016 01:31 AM (N8hFs)

277 Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 01:25 AM (GJnhB)

Helluva story. I envy (not in a malicious way) people who have good stories to tell. But I also hear about other people's fun, full, crazy lives and all the enjoyment they had in their youth and it makes me feel painfully empty.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 01:31 AM (0mRoj)

278 @ yankeefifth.


Really.

http://tinyurl.com/k34sxya



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:31 AM (v5iqM)

279 My guns are like seat belts and helmets. 99.9% of the time they are useless. But they make me wear the seat belt and helmet for higher odd harm why can't I do the same for my safety with a gun? They are way less dangerous than cars.

Posted by: Willy J. at June 22, 2016 01:31 AM (Yskl0)

280 sven, I obviously wish that this and similar cases had options for law enforcement to pre-empt the attacks, I was just asking what, specifically, could have been done, if this guy had not committed any crimes before his big one.


There might have been multiple angles that might have been worked, but I'm not familiar with them.


Just wondering how, in the absence of law-breaking along the way, the good guys can pre-empt these attackers.


The very troubling pattern this guy painted, apparently since childhood, was sufficient to deny employment or access or things like that, but that's a far cry from arresting and detaining him. Which is what I'm talking about.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2016 01:31 AM (QDnY+)

281 259
FL cops wouldn't give a rats ass about a NYC politician, unless the Feds were protecting him in some way.



I wonder if his gay tendencies were being used to twist his father
in whatever Afghan politics dance was going on. (ok, tinfoil hat off)

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:21 AM (Doh4+)



I think it is far more likely that he got the standard Faust treatment -- he goes to Saudi Arabia, comes back with a compliant hot wife, has a son, gets some spending money, and -- after a couple of years -- his debt is called and he's a martyr.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 01:31 AM (EzgxV)

282 Things could have been done in the long phase; during the investigations, after trips to Saudi, after he pops up trying to buy body armor. but, weren't. Its a numbers game, and they are swamping us.

In the terminal phase. His wife could have made a call. His brother-in-law could have considered a 195K gift of his house, odd. Im sure some of fellow kneelers at that radical mosque had some idea and could have made a call. Maybe Disney could have pushed harder on the buttons after he crossed into their AO.

On the scene, the initial cops could have pressed. The SWAT team could have rolled in immediately. One patron or bartender could have had a pick Ladysmith.

Afterwards, our betters in politics and the media could stop lying to us and concealing key facts --- who the fuck am I kidding.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:32 AM (Doh4+)

283 So, Horde oh' Plenty....

Was reading a Survivors Account linked in Maets Stellar piece about the Orlando Shooting timeline....

"Mateen lay down with the victim's bodies, aiming at the doors"

If your outrage tank is empty, refill there.

Me, I'm fuckin tired. Life does Life things, an at times it sucks.

Doing the Right thing is Easy 90percent of the time, (tellin family you Love em, being honest, etc)....

It's the other 10percent that's a No Good Motherfucker....

I get thru the 10 cause I sleep better afterwards. Those that knw understand.

Hope All the Homesteads are peaceful.

Posted by: Hillbillyking at June 22, 2016 01:32 AM (znXBb)

284 260
We need to build walls around Muslims in this country, like Poe
describes in the tale of Fortunado having his fate sealed into a wall by
his friend. I see zero draw backs from this.



I see the price of Amontillado going through the roof ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hoplology Critic ... at June 22, 2016 01:22 AM (AoK0a)


I actually got some amontillado at TJ's recently, just because of Poe. It's going to take me a while to work through it.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 01:33 AM (EzgxV)

285 280 Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2016 01:31 AM (QDnY+)

You do not need to arrest someone to interdict them, and you can't interdict them if you redefine "terrorist" to mean "veteran who dislikes taxes and quotes the Constitution".....

Mateen was making 14 bucks an hour to carry a gun in a federal CH....

evidently I am the only person in America in awe of this.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:34 AM (g8Hfr)

286 Seems to me such a robot could have been put to good use in the Orlando situation, without putting cops' asses in the line of fire.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
-----------

Takes a while to deploy. Not agile. Suitable for bombs, or observation. Not much good as a weapon.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 01:12 AM (w35Hj)

Law enforcement needs to get their hands on that little Israeli tank with the 9mm gun that was here on the ONT some time back.

Posted by: Blano at June 22, 2016 01:35 AM (lbcdD)

287 Hmmm. All my time in boats is devoted to log overwatch, fender deployment (Fender, 4th class), jumping onto docks to secure lines and pumping sewage tanks. Won't even discuss yearly haulout in summer for hull maintenance and zinc swaps. This hot babe thing, how does that work?

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 22, 2016 01:35 AM (FtrY1)

288 I'm out. G'night.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 01:36 AM (0mRoj)

289 Well, I found out today that the old Greeves motorcycle I bought a few years ago at a farm auction is a 1969 Griffon, which had a 380 cc Greeves-built engine. Pity the engine is gone. The rest of the bike is in quite nice shape. Seat isn't even torn.


I guess I should be looking for a 380 Griffon engine.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 01:36 AM (GSdpU)

290 You know, my mother's little ordeal the other night has gestated the perfect analogy. The progtards and Obots are a giant wad of hard feces stopping up the colon of the body politic of these here United States.

They need the old Duke and his boss, the doc there to dislodge them and just shit them out and get them down the sanitary disposal stat.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 22, 2016 01:37 AM (DW+jj)

291 Capisco, Jim.


Tonight fatigue is substituting for booze, so the engine room is delivering declining amounts of power.


Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2016 01:37 AM (QDnY+)

292 Oh, and fuck Bill Clinton. He just said gays can't shoot straight and no one is calling him on it.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:38 AM (Doh4+)

293 Well, Ol' Bill ain't shooting straight any more his self.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 22, 2016 01:39 AM (DW+jj)

294 291 Capisco, Jim.


Tonight fatigue is substituting for booze, so the engine room is delivering declining amounts of power.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2016 01:37 AM (QDnY+)



Then drink some fuckin' booze, Moron!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


/snrk

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:39 AM (v5iqM)

295 Well, Ol' Bill ain't shooting straight any more his self.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 22, 2016 01:39 AM (DW+jj)


Don't matter. All he ever shot was blanks, anyway.

Posted by: Webb Hubbell at June 22, 2016 01:40 AM (GSdpU)

296
"Mateen lay down with the victim's bodies, aiming at the doors"
Avoiding that by failing to walk into a slaughterhouse designed specifically for your destruction doesn't deserve the appelation "coward" in my mind

Posted by: MAx at June 22, 2016 01:41 AM (0uuiT)

297 277 Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 01:25 AM (GJnhB)

Helluva story. I envy (not in a malicious way) people who have good stories to tell. But I also hear about other people's fun, full, crazy lives and all the enjoyment they had in their youth and it makes me feel painfully empty.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 01:31 AM (0mRoj

Imsominac, I'll tell you like I tell all my friends and other men and women. All that sowing of the wild oates I did made me feel incredibly empty and jaded.

Also, the wages or my sins was not a terrible STD, but I married and have a son with a certifiable psychopath, like Amazing Amy but not nearly as hot or down to fuck

While my son is my heart and soul, I'm now broke from her high conflict divorce, trying to get my son back from the legal fuck hole she created, my friends and family fear her, she destroyed all my game and self confidemce. I'm a shell of my former self and almost homeless.

So you are good. I have stories that in the end show how big of an empty hole I was trying to fill.

Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 01:41 AM (GJnhB)

298 You'll afford to buy casks...

... nevermore!

Posted by: a raven


Nonsense!!!!! Banner Day Sale ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9jjjMqtGpw

Posted by: Adriane the Hoplology Critic ... at June 22, 2016 01:41 AM (AoK0a)

299 AOP

I remember the Griffon's engone

Kick starter rolled in the forward direction, if I recall correctly?

Plus, Greeves style leading link front end? Not clear on that, but foggy memories, etc.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:42 AM (v5iqM)

300
380 Griffon engine.

Would that be a really small V-12? Kidding. I'm opening a tab to search online.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 22, 2016 01:42 AM (FtrY1)

301 It was light enough in their for Omar to put one AR round right on the forehead of one of the SWAT guys. That helmet pic is going so sell somebody a shit load of buckets.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:42 AM (Doh4+)

302 Megyn ran some clip of an interview with some poofter, Latino and on one of those Spanish language channels, and in heavy disguise, who claimed he was Mateen's lover for the past while, and said the wife knew all about it.

The Female Body Inspectors confirmed they had spoken to him.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 22, 2016 01:44 AM (DW+jj)

303 296 Posted by: MAx at June 22, 2016 01:41 AM (0uuiT)

Using KIAs as cover is a valid MOUT tactic if you are short of sandbags...

like I said upthread I challenge ANYONE to go to a bar or diner and imagine what fun advancing into a kill pocket would be when you have to play "shhot? Don't shoot" every step

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:44 AM (g8Hfr)

304 Larry, sounds like you and your son need a boat and some booze.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:44 AM (Doh4+)

305 297 277 Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 01:25 AM (GJnhB)

Helluva story. I envy (not in a malicious way) people who have good stories to tell. But I also hear about other people's fun, full, crazy lives and all the enjoyment they had in their youth and it makes me feel painfully empty.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2016 01:31 AM (0mRoj

Imsominac, I'll tell you like I tell all my friends and other men and women. All that sowing of the wild oates I did made me feel incredibly empty and jaded.

Also, the wages or my sins was not a terrible STD, but I married and have a son with a certifiable psychopath, like Amazing Amy but not nearly as hot or down to fuck

While my son is my heart and soul, I'm now broke from her high conflict divorce, trying to get my son back from the legal fuck hole she created, my friends and family fear her, she destroyed all my game and self confidemce. I'm a shell of my former self and almost homeless.

So you are good. I have stories that in the end show how big of an empty hole I was trying to fill.

Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 01:41 AM (GJnhB)



Amen. Ask me about my career criminal older brother.

I dodged entire belt-fed ammo boxes of bullets. We can leave it at that.

What seemed fun at the time, was dodging bullets.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:46 AM (v5iqM)

306 I remember the Griffon's engone

Kick starter rolled in the forward direction, if I recall correctly?

Plus, Greeves style leading link front end? Not clear on that, but foggy memories, etc.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:42 AM (v5iqM)


Well, I have never seen one up close with the original engine. This bike has the telescopic front forks; they abandoned the leading link for this model because not enough suspension travel. This bike came to me with a late-'60's Kawasaki 350 rotary-valve two-stroke in it, missing its engine side covers. And the engine is just bodged in there. I figured the original engine was a Villiers 2-stroke, but I had a knowledgeable bike guy look at it, and he recorded the numbers, and told me tonight on the phone it's a '69 Griffon, and came with the 380 Griffon engine.

Posted by: Webb Hubbell at June 22, 2016 01:47 AM (GSdpU)

307
303 Yip. So your children are orphans for WHAT? For WHO? The same fuckers who spit on you at the BLM protest two months ago???
And God help you if you shoot a civilian by mistake...

Posted by: MAx at June 22, 2016 01:47 AM (0uuiT)

308 Ok I have to wear a seatbelt in my car. How many of the Orlando victims would have survived if we made everyone carry Quik Clot sponges anytime they left home. This argument is about the stuff they already make us do for things that kill us at much higher rates than gun confiscation would save.

Posted by: Willy J. at June 22, 2016 01:48 AM (Yskl0)

309 Ack! Off, sock.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 01:48 AM (GSdpU)

310
303
296 Posted by: MAx at June 22, 2016 01:41 AM (0uuiT)

Using KIAs as cover is a valid MOUT tactic if you are short of sandbags...

like
I said upthread I challenge ANYONE to go to a bar or diner and imagine
what fun advancing into a kill pocket would be when you have to play
"shhot? Don't shoot" every step


Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 01:44 AM (g8Hfr)


It's why I'm wide-open to ascribing heroism or blame once we get the facts....but current indications are that we'll never see the facts.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 01:49 AM (EzgxV)

311 309 Ack! Off, sock.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 01:48 AM (GSdpU)



That's okay, Webb. (lmao!)


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:50 AM (v5iqM)

312 I'm surprised that a rocking club full of cash, doesnt have a manager with gun; and a drug dealer or two packing as well.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:51 AM (Doh4+)

313 Dammit.
Two nights in a row now that I actually slept through Rockford Filea, then woke up at 0200.
I give up. I'm buying a flatscreen, and either some kind of dvr or a box set of dvds.

And, word to the stupid - don't let a drug-addled hobo mow your lawn for a few bucks.

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 01:52 AM (K7J5Z)

314 Germany doesn't need to worry about the technological hurdles to recovering their black-gold, now that they have a ginormous population of Middle-Eastern geniuses arriving every day. Those Muslim folks know all about sitting on top of oil. They practiced that discipline for centuries. Just look at how quickly they developed it, right after the very hated white man came and showed them the moves. Goodbye, Germany, it was nice knowin' ya!

Posted by: goon at June 22, 2016 01:53 AM (WCaSy)

315 Oh, just watch Kojak, Chi. He's a hoot, baby.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 22, 2016 01:53 AM (DW+jj)

316 312
I'm surprised that a rocking club full of cash, doesnt have a manager with gun; and a drug dealer or two packing as well.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:51 AM (Doh4+)


In a sane world, they would've -- and the Second Amendment would mean exactly what it says. Unfortunately, we live in Progressivism bizarro-world.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 01:54 AM (EzgxV)

317 313
Dammit.

Two nights in a row now that I actually slept through Rockford Filea, then woke up at 0200.

I give up. I'm buying a flatscreen, and either some kind of dvr or a box set of dvds.



And, word to the stupid - don't let a drug-addled hobo mow your lawn for a few bucks.

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 01:52 AM (K7J5Z)


He's still around?!?!?

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 01:54 AM (EzgxV)

318 312 I'm surprised that a rocking club full of cash, doesnt have a manager with gun; and a drug dealer or two packing as well.
Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:51 AM (Doh4+)


Great minds think alike. But, it was late, and mostly ya' want to get yer biz done earlier in the evening, so the folks with guns had probably gone home earlier so as not to be stopped for some chickenshit traffic infraction leading to hard time.

Posted by: goon at June 22, 2016 01:56 AM (WCaSy)

319 318 Or they bailed out as soon as they heard shooting to avoid the po-po

Posted by: MAx at June 22, 2016 01:58 AM (0uuiT)

320 Those funny looking yellow n' black striped handles between my legs, here in the seat?

Yeah, pulling on 'em, hard.

Sweet dreams, y'all, before the canopy blows and the seat rockets out.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 22, 2016 01:58 AM (v5iqM)

321 Pulling a "handle" between my legs. The story of my teenage years. And the rest of 'em, too, pretty much.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 22, 2016 02:00 AM (DW+jj)

322 Well, I'm going to go to bed, now, too. Night, all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2016 02:00 AM (GSdpU)

323 How did my fifth grade teacher become mayor of Oakland?

Posted by: Pixy and the Hamsters at June 22, 2016 02:00 AM (2yngH)

324 Shit.
I guess I should read back a few comments before complaining about missing a 40 yr old TV show...

Yeah, cth, Rockford is still around. MeTV @ Rockford o'clock

Pub, just can't get into it for some reason. Hope you & yours are doing well. I think about you more than you know...
Who loves ya, baby?

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 02:01 AM (K7J5Z)

325 I give up. I'm buying a flatscreen, and either some kind of dvr or a box set of dvds.///

If you are already getting your TV off air get one of these and a usb drive.

Programing for recording is a little harder than dvr stuff through a service like dish. But every Wednesday on channel 5 at 7 works well.


http://preview.tinyurl.com/zdkfd8c

Posted by: Willy J. at June 22, 2016 02:02 AM (Yskl0)

326 287 Hmmm. All my time in boats is devoted to log overwatch, fender deployment (Fender, 4th class), jumping onto docks to secure lines and pumping sewage tanks. Won't even discuss yearly haulout in summer for hull maintenance and zinc swaps. This hot babe thing, how does that work?
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 22, 2016 01:35 AM (FtrY1)

In my younger days of milk, honey, and sin, the Yacht thing involved capsules of MDMA (extasty) that they brought via the ultra rich kids girlfriend and they inserted them via the rectum once out in the water . They were like tan nude moaning and touching and kissing for 3 days at sea. We drank beer and took Viagra for 3 days and joined in when invited but mostly directed and watched. It's not like Eyes Wide Shut. It's a bunch of hot Rollin girls constantly moaning and touching each other, fetching us beers, and throwing us in the middle of a few in the private rooms below when they want to bang.

So when you see very hot girls on a Yacht in pictures with some dude or two, that's what is going on. The girls are wasted and playful. The guys are living like Kings.

I only had that one experience and I threw a semester away for it by skipping finals. it was worth it at the time but I would not do it again now or back then. Once was enough. I honestly thought I would die if I was out there one more day.

Playing King was tedious work.

Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 02:04 AM (GJnhB)

327 I just realized how old I'm getting. I went to over one of my mother's friend's house this afternoon to pick up some stuff she had for my mother, and her granddaughter was there. I roomed in college with one of her sons. The girl is daughter of his older brother, who was just a couple years older than us. The girl is a freshman in college now.

That just got me. How the hell did that happen... And to top it off, she's a hottie, and there I was having impure thoughts about a good buddy's niece.

How awful I was, and to top off, I'm sure she thought of me as "dad" speed, one of uncle's buddies. Life is some shit, ain't it. Time, it's always moving.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 22, 2016 02:06 AM (DW+jj)

328 Takes a while to deploy. Not agile. Suitable for bombs, or observation. Not much good as a weapon.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2016 01:12 AM (w35Hj)


They need to get that one that looks to be about the size of a fat pony, that was going to be carrying ammo and supplies for our guys, and just equip it with tear-yer-arms-off attachments and send it on in. If it finds you holding a weapon, not to mention shooting at it, it will be a real bad day for your anatomy.

Posted by: goon at June 22, 2016 02:06 AM (WCaSy)

329 I appreciate it Chi. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel and I just hope it's not a train.

Yeah, there are some of the classics I just can't get into myself.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 22, 2016 02:09 AM (DW+jj)

330 "Also can you spot the obligatory Yoko presence?"

I like the Billy Preston presence a lot more.

Posted by: holygoat at June 22, 2016 02:10 AM (DbBV5)

331 304 Larry, sounds like you and your son need a boat and some booze.
Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 01:44 AM (Doh4

He is younger than 5. A boat and new identifications sound fantastic.

I'd never allow him to ruin his life like I did mine, and I'd tell him about the wages of sin and my mistakes so he doesn't do 'the same.

He is a very smart young man, so he will do great with the beautiful smart good girls when they seek him out to study and work on school projects.

That I will allow.

Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 02:11 AM (GJnhB)

332 Does anyone else have a problem with that cop telling the guy who was shot four times and was bleeding out with a shattered arm, "you need to find the strength do this. (crawl to him safely ensconced by the door)?"
"How about you show some stones and come over here and help me, ya coward!" Is what I'd feel inclined to reply...

Posted by: Jason Jones at June 22, 2016 02:15 AM (UYdln)

333
I just realized how old I'm getting.///

Yeah on fathers day when my daughter who has given me 3 grandkids rubbed in how old I am by mentioning to me how old she feels now that she's turning 30 this year.

Posted by: Willy J. at June 22, 2016 02:16 AM (Yskl0)

334 Why can't Milo start a gays boycotting/bamning Muslim men to help TRUMP Make America Great Again.


They would all self deport within a year or less from America.

BOOM! Problem solved.

Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 02:22 AM (GJnhB)

335 Yeah, there are some of the classics I just can't get into myself.
Posted by: publius
-----------------------
Oh, I used to love watching Telly with Dad years ago. I just can't get into it these days for some reason.

I may just get a new digital converter box, Willy J - Mom needs a box for her bedroom TV now, so I can give her this one (fuck you, Cox cable!).

I had a couple thousand square feet of blackberry bushes in the back 40 - almost ready to pick. We're talking multiple 5 gallon buckets of blackberries, big as strawberries.
Hobo used my little 22" Husqvarna push mower like it was a bush hog and mowed them all down. And was proud of it! Fuckin' HONDA engine never even backed down, I bet.

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 02:23 AM (K7J5Z)

336 I wonder what with all the ways one can die of un natural causes where mass murder by a douche with an AR 15 ranks on the chart.

Posted by: Willy J. at June 22, 2016 02:25 AM (Yskl0)

337 333: She doesn't know what's in store. Babe in the woods. She'll turn around and be 40, then it really starts to go fast.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 22, 2016 02:25 AM (DW+jj)

338 Wow Chi. That's grounds for firing, right there. O.D.Dad hired a tree guy to trim our trees and he dropped a 25 foot limb on our berries and just left it there. Weeks later, he finally sent a crew out to remove it, but I won't be able to put up as much jam as last year.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 22, 2016 02:38 AM (GzDYP)

339 335
Yeah, there are some of the classics I just can't get into myself.

Posted by: publius

-----------------------

Oh, I used to love watching Telly with Dad years ago. I just can't get into it these days for some reason.



I may just get a new digital converter box, Willy J - Mom needs a
box for her bedroom TV now, so I can give her this one (fuck you, Cox
cable!).



I had a couple thousand square feet of blackberry bushes in the back
40 - almost ready to pick. We're talking multiple 5 gallon buckets of
blackberries, big as strawberries.

Hobo used my little 22" Husqvarna push mower like it was a bush hog
and mowed them all down. And was proud of it! Fuckin' HONDA engine never
even backed down, I bet.

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 02:23 AM (K7J5Z)


Add it to his rent.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 02:38 AM (EzgxV)

340 The Stupid, it hurts....I see it everywhere. I can't drive three blocks to the supermarket without coming to a dead stop to see some idiocy work itself out. And all the vacant lots and one-story buildings are being replaced by 3-4 story numbskull racks with no driving skills.



I saw this coming 3+ years ago, and I'm still here to witness.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 02:43 AM (EzgxV)

341 326
So when you see very hot girls on a Yacht in pictures with some dude or two, that's what is going on. The girls are wasted and playful. The guys are living like Kings.
Posted by: Leisure Suit Larry at June 22, 2016 02:04 AM (GJnhB)


I was in a Sunfish once. It capsized, but I got out OK.

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2016 02:46 AM (sdi6R)

342 ODM - firing? How do you fire a homeless guy you felt sorry for and gave a roof & clean bathroom to?

Cth - HA! Add it to his rent? He's so far behind the 8 ball that I'm only letting him cut grass to work off a little debt. I have blown so far past my "cut-off point" that it's a joke.
I'm so close to 50 that I can kick it in the ass, and I've never bent a lawnmower blade. Second time he used my mower - yep, he bent the blade beyond recognition.

New blade, full tune-up, and a couple weeks later he's clearing acreage of waist-high blackberries like he's in control of a Skag walk behind. And thinks he did me a favor...

The berries will come back, but IIRC, it'll take 2 years to produce fruit.
?

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 02:57 AM (K7J5Z)

343 342
ODM - firing? How do you fire a homeless guy you felt sorry for and gave a roof clean bathroom to?



Cth - HA! Add it to his rent? He's so far behind the 8 ball that I'm
only letting him cut grass to work off a little debt. I have blown so
far past my "cut-off point" that it's a joke.

I'm so close to 50 that I can kick it in the ass, and I've never
bent a lawnmower blade. Second time he used my mower - yep, he bent the
blade beyond recognition.



New blade, full tune-up, and a couple weeks later he's clearing
acreage of waist-high blackberries like he's in control of a Skag walk
behind. And thinks he did me a favor...



The berries will come back, but IIRC, it'll take 2 years to produce fruit.

?

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 02:57 AM (K7J5Z)


It's not like you didn't see it coming, or if the Horde didn't warn you.

Construct a way for him to anonymously kill inconvenient faceless bureaucrats.....once he's done with yours, you can rent him out.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 03:03 AM (EzgxV)

344 Hobo used my little 22" Husqvarna push mower like it was a bush hog and mowed them all down. And was proud of it! Fuckin' HONDA engine never
even backed down, I bet.


If this were X-Files, he'd be found floating in a vat of blackberry jam with lacerations around his limbs about the width of a blackberry vine.

If this were the Old West, "Your Honor, it needed doing!" would suffice ... Especially, if Her Honor was the canning type!

Posted by: Adriane the Hoplology Critic ... at June 22, 2016 03:03 AM (AoK0a)

345 Sorry Chi, but yes to the two year wait for berries. And maybe you need to drive him to a homeless shelter. And change your locks.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 22, 2016 03:03 AM (GzDYP)

346 Or maybe, a "Please don't do that again..." after the power of speech returns ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hoplology Critic ... at June 22, 2016 03:05 AM (AoK0a)

347 Never got a key. I'm a Moron, but I'm not stupid.
And the only reason I gave him a couch to sleep on to begin with was because his best friend was driving him to a HOMELESS SHELTER.
I felt sorry for him. And thought a couple extra bucks would help me out. Mutual benefits.


Not just the horde, man - EVERYBODY told me not to do it. Hell, my 78 yr old Mom said she would kick my ass if I let him in, and I'm still afraid of her!
I'm such a sucker...

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:10 AM (K7J5Z)

348 How about, "I can't afford to support you."?

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 22, 2016 03:10 AM (GzDYP)

349 The pisser is, he's a decent guy. Just wrecked by drugs, I think.

I honestly think that I could give him a crowbar, and he would bring it back in two pieces within 30 minutes - "I don't know what happened, man."

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:13 AM (K7J5Z)

350 Ignoring the horde is one thing, but you didn't listen to your Mom? What's wrong with you, man?

Change your locks. Anyway.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 22, 2016 03:16 AM (GzDYP)

351 348 How about, "I can't afford to support you."?
Posted by: OldDominionMom
----------------------
Shit. I can't afford to support myself. That's why I liked the idea of a few extra bucks. He's heard the "you're not my responsibility" line more than once.

What scared him the most was "Do Not mistake my kindness for weakness." And, "I have acres to choose where to bury your carcass, and there is no one that cares enough to come looking."

*OK. I wasn't quite that harsh, but close.

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:20 AM (K7J5Z)

352 Chi -

have regretted hiring my out of work nephew on certain occasions as - I have come to learn - he doesn't know how to do stuff. So now, when I hire him, it is supervise & inspect every 15 or so & walk through every piece of tape & newspaper necessary to paint a wall.

Posted by: Adriane the Hoplology Critic ... at June 22, 2016 03:21 AM (AoK0a)

353 You can't fight drugs for someone else. Been there.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 22, 2016 03:21 AM (GzDYP)

354 I guess it's about time to take another unpopular position.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 22, 2016 03:21 AM (WVsWD)

355 Singing dishwasher is running again....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 03:27 AM (EzgxV)

356 354 I guess it's about time to take another unpopular position.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois
--------------
You're not going to tell us how attractive Lena Dunham is again, are you?

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:28 AM (K7J5Z)

357 well fuck dude, a pro Brexit English PM (woman) was shot dead a few days ago.

She wasn't pro Brexit. She was anti Brexit.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 22, 2016 03:29 AM (rmw+9)

358 You're not going to tell us how attractive Lena Dunham is again, are you?

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:28 AM (K7J5Z)

Umm no. Not that unpopular.

I am not ready to put it into words yet. I am not awake enough nor had enough Coffee to think, what passes for straight in my stroke addled mind, just quite yet.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 22, 2016 03:30 AM (WVsWD)

359 Ohyahoo Pixy-sama!


Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2016 03:35 AM (p2X2f)

360 355 Singing dishwasher is running again....
Posted by: cthulhu
-----------------
*cthulhu answers ringing phone*

"Hello, sir. Is your refrigerator running?"

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:36 AM (K7J5Z)

361 A while back, we looked at Consumer Reports for dishwashing and then aggressively shopped their "best buy". We got a couple of hundred "Finish PowerBall tabs" from CostCo.



Well, we're getting close to the end of this, and I told the fiancee that we should revisit the Consumer Reports website, see what is currently a "best buy", and aggressively shop a few hundred of that. She replied that it was a trivial priority that she shouldn't have to deal with. Funny how it wasn't trivial when it was my problem.



I'm not feeling real happy at the moment.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 03:37 AM (EzgxV)

362 360
355 Singing dishwasher is running again....

Posted by: cthulhu

-----------------

*cthulhu answers ringing phone*



"Hello, sir. Is your refrigerator running?"

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:36 AM (K7J5Z)


"How can I tell? It doesn't sing."

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 03:38 AM (EzgxV)

363 I didn't even know that you could buy lottery tickets from Finland here in the states...

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:39 AM (K7J5Z)

364 Apropros of nothing, my dog had ice cream for the first time today.
He seems to be a fan.

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:40 AM (K7J5Z)

365 363
I didn't even know that you could buy lottery tickets from Finland here in the states...

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:39 AM (K7J5Z)


I dunno about Finnish lottery tix....but then there's Swedish popcorn -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7UmUX68KtE

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 03:44 AM (EzgxV)

366 I guess it's about time to take another unpopular position.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois


Downward Facing Dog ???

Posted by: Adriane the Yoga Critic ... at June 22, 2016 03:44 AM (AoK0a)

367 364
Apropros of nothing, my dog had ice cream for the first time today.

He seems to be a fan.

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:40 AM (K7J5Z)


Did he get it off the countertop?

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 03:46 AM (EzgxV)

368 Doesn't ice cream give dogs the shits?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2016 03:49 AM (p2X2f)

369 Did he get it off the countertop?
Posted by: cthulhu
----------
Ha!
No. It was just so hot & humid today, I gave him a spoonful when we got back in the house.

Then, a couple hours later, we visited Shirley, and SHE gave him a giant scoop. Right after she said "he looks like he's getting a little thick."

He is NOT fat, dammit!

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:53 AM (K7J5Z)

370 Got up early and don't see any point in trying to sleep for a half hour.


Yes Bill it's probably best to leave jihadis alone and uninterrupted while they are doing Allah's work.


Is he f'in nuts?

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2016 03:55 AM (d9qXV)

371 369
Did he get it off the countertop?

Posted by: cthulhu

----------

Ha!

No. It was just so hot humid today, I gave him a spoonful when we got back in the house.



Then, a couple hours later, we visited Shirley, and SHE gave him a
giant scoop. Right after she said "he looks like he's getting a little
thick."



He is NOT fat, dammit!

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 03:53 AM (K7J5Z)


Absolutely!!! Min-pins are supposed to be solid, chunky, "squared-off" little guys.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 03:58 AM (EzgxV)

372 I wrote the morning after this I thought with as many dead as wounded he was executing people who were already down.
But I figured that only because other jihadis have done that. Lone wolves think alike I guess.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2016 04:01 AM (d9qXV)

373 Cooked veggies are great dog snacks. Green beans right ought of the can, steamed or roasted broccoli, cabbage, carrots and cauliflower, etc.

Night all. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 22, 2016 04:02 AM (GzDYP)

374 368 Doesn't ice cream give dogs the shits?

Posted by: weft cut-loop
---------------
I don't know (yet), but in my experience, oxygen gives dogs the shits.

I only give this guy 1/2 coffee cup of food once per day, and he shit (shat?) 3 times on our +/- 1 mile walk.

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 04:02 AM (0c1sw)

375
372
I wrote the morning after this I thought with as many dead as wounded he was executing people who were already down.

But I figured that only because other jihadis have done that. Lone wolves think alike I guess.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2016 04:01 AM (d9qXV)




Letting the wounded bleed out for a couple of hours also helps.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 22, 2016 04:03 AM (EzgxV)

376 G'night, ODM.
Thanks for the advice.

Posted by: Chi at June 22, 2016 04:09 AM (0c1sw)

377 There are bands on that list is wouldn't pay what they earned at Woodstock today.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2016 04:11 AM (d9qXV)

378 Worth every bit what you paid for it!

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 22, 2016 04:14 AM (GzDYP)

379 Morning all- With all the other news I forgot that SCOTUS is starting to parcel out their decisions. I guess the illegal amnesty case will be delivered as they are walking out the door.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 22, 2016 04:26 AM (5kTP+)

380 Night all.

Here is "Phantom Lord" by Metallica:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILUvzL8L_Lg

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 22, 2016 04:28 AM (vBeA5)

381 Huma's deposition is coming up on the 28th. I'm taking the over on her "I don't remember".

Posted by: Ben Had at June 22, 2016 04:33 AM (5kTP+)

382 I almost forgot,
Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2016 04:34 AM (d9qXV)

383 I don't remember will outnumber I plead the 5th

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2016 04:36 AM (d9qXV)

384 If Judge Hanen's ruling is upheld, do all those Justice Dept. lawyers go directly to jail?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 22, 2016 04:45 AM (5kTP+)

385 Die ihr am goldnen Quelle
Der sichern Jugend weilt,
Denkt doch an die Forelle,
Seht ihr Gefahr, so eilt!
Meist fehlt ihr nur aus Mangel
Der Klugheit. Mädchen seht
Verführer mit der Angel!
Sonst blutet ihr zu spät!

You who tarry by the golden spring
Of secure youth,
Think still of the trout:
If you see danger, hurry by!
Most of you err only from lack
Of cleverness. Girls, see
Seducers with their tackle!
Or else, too late, you'll bleed.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 22, 2016 04:46 AM (VdICR)

386 Missing characters are the letter A with an umlaut.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 22, 2016 04:47 AM (VdICR)

387 Donna, I don't suppose I'm the first one to say this but don't you think you should get to the emergency room right now?

Apologe in advance if you've already seen an ER doc and you've just scheduled your cardiologist appointment as follow-up tomorrow.

Praying fervently for you tonight.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 22, 2016 05:08 AM (Ado0C)

388 not as good as an infantryman better than a lot of cops.

Posted by: sven10077



I would love to see a link to that story, Sven. Sounds like a very interesting read.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 22, 2016 05:12 AM (Ado0C)

389
(This article has corrected the headline to clarify that jaguar was shot after the torch ceremony, not at the ceremony)


Somewhere in the Great Animal Hereafter, the shot jaguar' can be heard saying, "Why, thanks! Thanks a lot!".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2016 05:14 AM (BK3ZS)

390 I'm pretty excited to see the Sunday Book Thread! I got an email notification from Amazon that I have had my account credited as a part of the Apple eBooks Antitrust settlement. Woo! Woo! Three dollars and fourteen cents! Real wealth!

Posted by: goon at June 22, 2016 05:21 AM (WCaSy)

391 Just saw tweet about an hour ago that says the FBI has no idea where Mateen's wife is.

#WASTF


Posted by: Sharkman at June 22, 2016 05:27 AM (CS7jF)

392 Morning Horde.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 22, 2016 05:28 AM (XhS3T)

393 Good morning.

Hope your day is awesome.

And fvck Paul Ryan, Hillary, the MSM and Kevin Williamson.

That is all

Posted by: TeamRawDog - mobile & hostile at June 22, 2016 05:29 AM (yrMmg)

394 This being the aforementioned tweet . . .

http://tinyurl.com/Obama-Heckuva-Job-Lynchie

Posted by: Sharkman at June 22, 2016 05:40 AM (Ado0C)

395 Isn't it about time for Vic to step in with the ONT VNN update?

Posted by: Gmac- All politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal for civil war. at June 22, 2016 05:54 AM (4pjhs)

396 Good Morning Morons. Today is Wednesday, June 22, 2016. On this day in 1870 Congress created the Department of Justice and look at the mess we have now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:54 AM (mpXpK)

397 An Idaho town is in an uproar because two of Obama's "refugee" resettlement turds are alleged to have raped a 5 year old girl. There are a lot of claims flying back and forth so right now nobody knows for sure exactly what happened, but something did. I'm sure the DOJ will come in and get to the bottom of this <s>.


http://fxn.ws/28NAtbV

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:54 AM (mpXpK)

398 Here is yet another reason why red light cameras should be banned. Besides causing increased traffic accidents they just provide one more avenue for local corruption.


http://fxn.ws/28PSZOO

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:54 AM (mpXpK)

399 Bill Maher, who I hate 90% of the time, tries to make a good point about Orlando. You can see the moment where he is silently rages against his always-horrible loud-clapping audience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYENU8qZTXw

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 22, 2016 05:55 AM (VdICR)

400 A general testified to congress that he knows of no strategy to defeat ISIS. Well, nobody else does either general. That is because there is none.


http://fxn.ws/28LhbhE

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

401 Stuart Varney has it out with a Clinton advisor on her tax plan to gouge the rich for more taxes to pay for more socialism. He made her (and him) look like an idiot. Her plan is to gouge the "rich" but nowhere is it stated what she considers to be rich. But in the past socialists like Scankles have considered anyone who actually has a net income to be rich.


http://fxn.ws/28LHGDH

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

402 DHS employee hit with "random screening" caught trying to sneak a number of weapons into the building and has been charged with conspiring to commit "workplace violence". My question; why is the screening only random?


http://fxn.ws/28UN0qB

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

403 Feds have arrested 300 illegal migrants who were under deportation orders (because of criminal acts) but were on the lam instead.


http://bit.ly/28UNw85

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

404 Shittymyer and two other liberal activists on the court lost a big one on police powers and they are not happy.


http://fxn.ws/28SdBnb

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:56 AM (mpXpK)

405 Finally Trump hits Scankles on her money laundering at State Department to send money to Bubba. Of course the corrupt Clintonites denied any wrongdoing.


http://politi.co/28SfikE

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:56 AM (mpXpK)

406 ICE records show that criminal illegals actually committed 10 times the amount of further crimes than the corrupt Obama administration said.


http://bit.ly/28RFRr1

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:56 AM (mpXpK)

407 Top Democrats are skipping out on Scankles' campaign event in Raleigh, NC. That is a pretty good indication that she is poison in that State which had become a toss-up State due to the huge influx of locusts.


http://bit.ly/28NDIzV

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:56 AM (mpXpK)

408 Orlando shooter's gay lover comes forward for his time in the spotlight.


http://bit.ly/28MDJl6

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

409 While pushing for a $15/hr minimum wage Krazy Kommie Bernie only pays his people $12/hr.


http://bit.ly/28O7mUZ

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

410 18 year old Akram Musleh (no religion given) arrested for trying to join ISIS among other terrorist related things.


http://bit.ly/28O9RWK

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

411 Michael Jackson had an extensive library of child porn when he was arrested on those charges back before he went to the fiery furnace. So how did he get acquitted?


http://bit.ly/28Oa2Bf

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

412 Obama is going after Israel yet again. He really does hate them Joos doesn't he? Everything he has done since he entered office indicates that he is a follower of the muzzie cult of violence and yet he claims he is a Christian.


http://bit.ly/28Si1KQ

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

413 There are reports out there that Fauxahontas, the fake Indian from MA, is being vetted by Scankles for VP despite denials. Go ahead Scankles, but who is your campaign adviser? You are forgetting the primary rule of VP picks; they never help, and often hurt. This pick would do absolutely NOTHING for your campaign and would hurt in nearly every State in the country.


http://bit.ly/28O8bxf

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

414 Angelina Jolie joins Horseface Kerry in pushing for more muzzies being allowed into the US. My question is why go to that effort? Obama is already ignoring the limits and bringing hundreds of thousands a year. But old horsehead had to throw this whopper out there:


Kerry dropped this whooper of a lie: "There is absolutely zero evidence that refugees that make it through our process pose more of a threat than members of any other group."


Ask that to the relatives who have been killed by all the muzzies already let in here.


http://bit.ly/28Mrrqg

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

415 Idiot Lynch expects us to believe this lie. She says the Orlando shooter's motive may never be known. What she should have said is that nobody in the corrupt lying shitweasel administration will ever say it.


http://bit.ly/28NG8yC

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

416 I'm sure that someone in the FBI has looked at his Facebook page, which has the following post:


Kill Police, Politicians, Journalists, Rappers, Kill Them in The Name of Allah


http://bit.ly/28JM5rt

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

417 CT Democrat wants the feds to add additional tax to every teaspoon of sugar in the US. Perhaps she should run on that platform for federal office instead of the screwed up State of CT where the more left you go the more likely you are to be elected.


http://bit.ly/28OdVas

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

418 Trump says "we don't know nothing about Hillary's religion". Well I do. Over the years she has demonstrated over and over again her only religion is making money and running for more and more power. She does on occasion carry a bible as a prop, but it is really only there should she need to demonstrate her irrational temper.


http://bit.ly/28OoXfV

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

419 We knew it was coming. Michigan's Republican governor just signed a bill for almost $1T to bail out Detroit's failing schools. I can not count the number of times that Detroit's schools and the city itself have been bailed out by taxpayers outside of Detroit but none of them have EVER worked because they never address the problems that created their bankrupt city in the first place. The first thing they need to do is make it illegal for a Democrat (or former Democrat) to ever be Mayor of Detroit.


http://bit.ly/28LS944

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

420 And speaking of shitty Democrat idiots from CT, Murphy says you can not judge gun control on whether it works or not. In almost any other State in the union he would be laughed out of office.


http://bit.ly/28OavUC

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

421 Big brother really is watching you. The FBI's facial recognition database is ten times larger than advertised and 90% of the people in it are not criminals. As we have said previously, for this corrupt regime, 1984 is a how to manual, not a work of fiction.


http://bit.ly/28LXHhr

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

422 And after failing to railroad 4 more useless gun control bills through congress, the corrupt Obamanites promise more action with his pen and phone.


http://bit.ly/28Mffds

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

423 GOP RINOs in the Senate promise more tries to push useless gun control through despite a majority of Republican opposition.


http://dailysign.al/28OqHFR

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:01 AM (mpXpK)

424 Republicans actually proposed two of those proposed gun control bills and Cruz actually voted FOR both of them. Here is how the Senate members voted on all 4 bills.


http://dailysign.al/28NJce4

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:01 AM (mpXpK)

425 And more in late added story at Fox.


A moderate Republican senator sought broad bipartisan support Tuesday for a compromise to block gun purchases by some suspected terrorists, a day after the chamber split along party lines to derail far more sweeping proposals.


The typical "moderate" Republican as defined by the MFM, including Fox, means a DIABLO who votes with the Democrats more than Republicans. In this case that is well illustrated because the "moderate" described here is Susan "I kiss Democrat Ass" Collins. She typically has an ACU rating in the low to mid 20s which means she is really a Democrat with an R after her name. IOW a firm DIABLO. And no Fox, this is NOT a bipartisan bill. The only Republicans supporting it are the typical DIABLOs and RINOs.


http://fxn.ws/28Mdckr

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:01 AM (mpXpK)

426 Ramirez - Finally


http://bit.ly/28M7Dmh


That's it for today folks.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:02 AM (mpXpK)

427 Thanks for the updates Vic, hope you have a good day!

Posted by: Gmac- All politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal for civil war. at June 22, 2016 06:05 AM (4pjhs)

428 Every day is a good day except when I have doctor's appointments. I have the best job I ever had now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:11 AM (mpXpK)

429 Supposed to get up in the 90s today and later this week 99. We are really in Summer now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:12 AM (mpXpK)

430 Michelle Fields, despite the debilitating pain of her horrible disfigurement, hauled her wracked body to Newsmax TV to be interviewed, apparently unaware that they practice actual journalism there.

The result was predictable:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/znjgsvs

You know who walks off a set? Those who just got pwned.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at June 22, 2016 06:13 AM (WlGX+)

431 And while it is still cool outside I am going out and put some wood putty in a couple of spots on my porch step hand rails. I'll be back in a few minutes.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:14 AM (mpXpK)

432 Ramirez - Finally

I felt that way on the weekend when I discovered VNN was up after a hiatus of several days. VNN - Finally.

Thanks for the links Vic

Posted by: Drc at June 22, 2016 06:29 AM (QuZ50)

433 Well got it done but I think I am going to have to redo it with a caulk gun instead. What I really need to do is call in a carpenter to pull that whole railing and redo it from scratch. But it is damn hard to find a carpenter around here anymore for small jobs like that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:33 AM (mpXpK)

434 Vic, It's damn hard to find a good carpenter for any size jobs. Plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc. And it's going to get worse. All these special snowflakes that have bought into the notion of a college degree instead of an honest trade are causing a shortage of craftsmen. Not that any of the current crop of pu$$ys could actually do manual labor in their skinny jeans.

Posted by: Bayou City at June 22, 2016 06:49 AM (0QLpr)

435 Happy Ramadan-ding-dong you bunch of homo's.

Posted by: Happy Mohamadan Homo at June 22, 2016 06:50 AM (+HL0m)

436 >>>>There are reports out there that Fauxahontas, the fake Indian from MA,
is being vetted by Scankles for VP despite denials. Go ahead Scankles,
but who is your campaign adviser? You are forgetting the primary rule of
VP picks; they never help, and often hurt. This pick would do
absolutely NOTHING for your campaign and would hurt in nearly every
State in the country.
.
.
.
.Not going to happen. Top Wall Street Donors have already said they will not give anything to hillary with her as the VP pick.

Without their money she doesn't stand a chance.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2016 06:54 AM (iONHu)

437 434
Vic, It's damn hard to find a good carpenter for any size jobs.
Plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc. And it's going to get worse.
All these special snowflakes that have bought into the notion of a
college degree instead of an honest trade are causing a shortage of
craftsmen. Not that any of the current crop of pu$$ys could actually do
manual labor in their skinny jeans.


Posted by: Bayou City at June 22, 2016 06:49 AM (0QLpr)

I can do almost any plumbing jobs myself, but the carpentry work I do may work OK but it looks like crap. I can also do almost any electrical work but technically it is no longer allowed here since we became a "code county" now and I don't have a license.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:56 AM (mpXpK)

438 >>>Vic, It's damn hard to find a good carpenter for any size jobs.

Plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc. And it's going to get worse.

All these special snowflakes that have bought into the notion of a

college degree instead of an honest trade are causing a shortage of

craftsmen. Not that any of the current crop of pu$$ys could actually do

manual labor in their skinny jeans.
.
.
.
.Same here I can't find anyone to put up an outside motion light for me, the job is too small for them to make any money on. The power is already there and it would be a quick job, but I can't find anyone that will come over to do it.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2016 07:01 AM (iONHu)

439 "code county"

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 06:56 AM (mpXpK)


Just the PTB keeping the guilds alive through the force of 'law' and fines. But mostly fines.

One does not own any private property anymore. We just rent it from our government landlords.

Posted by: RickZ at June 22, 2016 07:03 AM (dI5fO)

440 438 .Same here I can't find anyone to put up an outside
motion light for me, the job is too small for them to make any money on.
The power is already there and it would be a quick job, but I can't
find anyone that will come over to do it.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2016 07:01 AM (iONHu)

If you already have a power cable ran to the site that should be a real easy job taking only a few minutes. I have actually put one up here. But I recommend that you don't put up a motion detector light. Use a photocell fixture and just let in come on at dusk and go off at dawn. I wound up taking my motion detector light down because no matter where I adjusted the sensitivity I could not get it to work right. I am happy with the photocell unit though.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 07:07 AM (mpXpK)

441 >>>If you already have a power cable ran to the site that should be a real
easy job taking only a few minutes. I have actually put one up here. But
I recommend that you don't put up a motion detector light. Use a
photocell fixture and just let in come on at dusk and go off at dawn. I
wound up taking my motion detector light down because no matter where I
adjusted the sensitivity I could not get it to work right. I am happy
with the photocell unit though.
.
.
.
.Even though I have some ability to do electrical stuff, I do not have that much confidence in my ability to get everything 100% watertight. Indoor stuff is easy and I do all of that myself, but I will leave the outdoor stuff to the pros.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2016 07:09 AM (iONHu)

442 388 Posted by: Sharkman at June 22, 2016 05:12 AM (Ado0C)

I'll dig it up it was hard to find documentation on....I posted about in back in '12.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 07:10 AM (g8Hfr)

443 .Even though I have some ability to do electrical
stuff, I do not have that much confidence in my ability to get
everything 100% watertight. Indoor stuff is easy and I do all of that
myself, but I will leave the outdoor stuff to the pros.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2016 07:09 AM (iONHu)

If it is underneath an eave it doesn't really need to be water tight. Just have the connections made with those twist on electrical connectors and then wrap it in electrical tape. If it is mounted on a pole or the side of a building not under an overhang then you can get water proof junction boxes that you can make the connections in and put a water proof cover on it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 07:15 AM (mpXpK)

444 BTW, I have put up a yard light on a pole in the backyard making the connections inside one of those junction boxes and never had a problem with it.


It is still working even after the cheap plastic shield they put on it got sun embrittlement and fell apart.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 07:18 AM (mpXpK)

445 G'mornin' Horde, and thanks for the news, Vic !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez_ at June 22, 2016 07:18 AM (RUssy)

446 Crud Buckets. Raining like mad here. Interrupted my nap. Old Farts like me need naps more than rain.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 22, 2016 07:20 AM (WVsWD)

447 Is anyone else having problems getting the main page to load?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 07:20 AM (mpXpK)

448 Even though I have some ability to do electrical stuff, I do not have that much confidence in my ability to get everything 100% watertight. Indoor stuff is easy and I do all of that myself, but I will leave the outdoor stuff to the pros.




The nice thing about outdoor work is the positive feedback.

When it rains, if it works, you did it correctly.
If it throws sparks, you didn't.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 22, 2016 07:20 AM (mkW7v)

449 No shortage of "carpenters" or "electricians" here. They're mostly out of work, collecting either their union benefit or (seasonal) unemployment. They aren't supposed to do "side jobs," so, they don't. You can't hire one out of The Hall; the deal has to be with a certified Union employer, and, they won't bid small jobs. Catch-22.

This isn't a college education issue. These guys were well indoctrinated in the union trade school. They're the specialest snowflakes of all. And, of course, disabled. Just ask 'em. The sudden closure of the universities won't solve this. It will take a generation of grinding poverty with no safety net. Hold your breath.

I've been trying for two years to get a simple cut-out switch and generator plug installed. One, count 'em one, company would come out to work up a bid. Told me I needed an all new service box in a new location, had to move the A/C, and really should have an all-automatic yuppifier natural-gas generator. I told them, OK, work up the bid. They never called back. Situation is hopeless within the system. Sooner or later I'll just do it myself.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2016 07:21 AM (tIja6)

450 While on subject, the biggest thing with outdoor light controls is SPIDERS.
I've never had a solar-sensor work for more than a season. Little buggers will get in through silicone-sealed, fully torqued box plugs, and web the hell out of that interior space. The switch thinks it's night. So you have to open them up several times a year and remove the webs. You do this in your spare time.

As the Lucas engineer said, "That's odd. It worked fine on the test bench."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2016 07:26 AM (tIja6)

451 re: Gutfield on the Left selectively divorcing cause from effect - case in point.

ABC News has an "expose" up on Female Genital Mutilation. Easy to find. Check it out and note what ISN'T mentioned anywhere, coupled with this colossal twist of truth:

"But experts say the ancient practice is not officially linked to religion in any way."

"Officially linked"? Maybe not. But linked nonetheless. It also implies that run-of-the-mill Indians practice this.

ABC is not allowing comments on the preview page for this article or at the article itself, even though the preview page has comments for the articles above and below this one. Wonder why that could possibly be.

Posted by: doomed, awed at the unmitigated audacity at June 22, 2016 07:27 AM (bGLSw)

452 >>>If it is underneath an eave it doesn't really need to be water tight.
Just have the connections made with those twist on electrical connectors
and then wrap it in electrical tape. If it is mounted on a pole or the
side of a building not under an overhang then you can get water proof
junction boxes that you can make the connections in and put a water
proof cover on it.
.
.
.
.It will be right out in the open mounted at one corner of the Florida room addition with the power running down one corner to a junction box. It will get all of the water runoff from the roof so it has to be extremely tight.

I tried an LED Solar mount. It works great in the Summer but runs out of juice way too early in the Winter.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2016 07:27 AM (iONHu)

453 450 Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 22, 2016 07:26 AM (tIja6)


I've never had a problem with spiders, but my younger brother has had to replace a light switch in his non-attached garage twice because they keep getting filled up with ants. And the ants eat the crap out of everything and then get so many they short it out and get cooked and burn the switch up.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 07:30 AM (mpXpK)

454 I tried an LED Solar mount. It works great in the Summer but runs out of juice way too early in the Winter.




The story of all solar scams.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 22, 2016 07:31 AM (mkW7v)

455 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 22, 2016 07:31 AM (ZQfW9)

456 Stringer,

Here in Houston we really do have a shortage of "good workers". I'm in the engineering side of the construction business and deal we deal with lots of major contractors. The problem is that they can't get anyone (entry level kids) who want to actually WORK for their paycheck. So they are forced to pay more for the experienced guys/subcontractors and that drains the pool for residential work.

Just trying to get some one to repair a pipe in the attic, or run a new electrical circuit in the attic is almost impossible. And even if you do, the work is done half-a$$ed by special snowflakes, or more likely illegals who don't speak a word of English and don't give a $hit.

It drives me crazy!

Posted by: Bayou City at June 22, 2016 07:32 AM (0QLpr)

457 BTW, the connection box I used for my light switch sensor I put on my pole light does not have one of those screw in plugs. It has a gasket sealed cover on it held down by 4 screws. I have never opened it up to look in it since I put it up but so far I haven't had any problems.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 07:33 AM (mpXpK)

458 If the guy claims to have a bomb, yet goes around shooting people, you can pretty well assume he doesn't have a bomb.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2016 07:39 AM (OkKDg)

459 456 And even if you do, the work is done half-a$$ed by
special snowflakes, or more likely illegals who don't speak a word of
English and don't give a $hit.

It drives me crazy!


Posted by: Bayou City at June 22, 2016 07:32 AM (0QLpr)

The cable company had to rerun the cable for my internet line because the drop was just too long and they had added a bunch of new customers so the signal strength was just too low for my drop.
They sent a crew in from NC all of whom were Mexicans and did not speak a word of English.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 07:39 AM (mpXpK)

460 Stringer, when I need side work done I ask the mechanics at the little shop where I get work done of the car. The younger guys are generally competent; not for cabinetry but most other stuff. No union crap and I at least have a general impression that if they're not here legally, then they at least have really good fake paperwork.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 07:43 AM (Doh4+)

461 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 22, 2016 07:43 AM (mpXpK)

462 "Officially linked" -- by who. Who is the super government entity that decides what religions do and do not do?

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 07:45 AM (Doh4+)

463 Speaking of pests... I have a propane fogger for the mosquitos because it was looking like a snow globe around here. The wife has a hummingbird, butterfly, mosquito habitat on the front of the house. This morning it was so calm that the lethal chemical fog looked like the Angel of Death in Exodus. It was wonderful. Die you little bastards.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 22, 2016 07:46 AM (xX/AT)

464 Regarding Bill Clinton's "more guns, more death" comment, I read a story about a mass shooter in a mall. A bystander ducked and pulled his concelead carry handgun to fire back. The killer saw him, retreated into a storefront, and commited suicide. The mere prospect of trading gunfire with someone who shoots back made the man off himself. Game over.

"More guns more death" my ass.

Posted by: CrustyB at June 22, 2016 07:49 AM (Hnglq)

465 Ok for a married Bill Clinton to be getting BJs from childish women in the Oval Office but not Ok for married Police Officers to be having sex with consenting adults and prostitutes in a city that voted for Bill Clinton twice 120%.

Talk about NIMBY.
Talk about prudes.
Talk about hypocrisy.
I pray to God that they are all F-funny in a way that benefits me. I'm tired of their s-it.

Posted by: Ok at June 22, 2016 07:57 AM (jN+3o)

466 464 Posted by: CrustyB at June 22, 2016 07:49 AM (Hnglq)

I tend to agree, look at Vester Flanagan...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Alison_Parker_and_Adam_Ward

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 07:57 AM (g8Hfr)

467 465 Posted by: Ok at June 22, 2016 07:57 AM (jN+3o)

My understanding of the Orkland case is the officers had been debauching her since she was 15....be happy to be shown to be wrong.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 07:58 AM (g8Hfr)

468 462 Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2016 07:45 AM (Doh4+)

Nope just the media and the Muz apologenzia...

compare and contrast Dylan Roof, the Confederate flag kerfuffle, and "I iz outrage!" to Islam NEVER having to answer for anything.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 22, 2016 08:00 AM (g8Hfr)

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