Mid-Morning Open Thread [Y-not for CBD]

Return of the Prodigal Son by Bartolome Esteban Murillo

Read more about the Spanish Baroque school of art here.

Read the Parable of the Prodigal Son here.

Open thread.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:56 AM

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1 I've got a bad feeling about this.

Posted by: fattened calf at May 13, 2016 09:55 AM (Y5LDn)

2 Trump receiving Ryan.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at May 13, 2016 09:55 AM (U6f54)

3 Well, the dog seems happy to see him.

Posted by: HTL at May 13, 2016 09:56 AM (gVyJ+)

4 Thank you for this picture.

To my mind the Prodigal Son is the most beautiful and moving of all Christ's parables.

Posted by: Donna and V. z(sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 09:56 AM (u0lmX)

5 Who's the guy on the right with the laundry?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 13, 2016 09:57 AM (uk/oG)

6 Where is Justin Bieber getting choked out

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 09:57 AM (mEZce)

7 Lemme see if I can fix that broken link.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 09:57 AM (t5zYU)

8 I wonder if the prodigal son is on heroin. Looks like he might be.

In which case, the "celebration" of his return will be short-lived.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2016 09:57 AM (Dj0WE)

9 There's also a cow or calf over to the left. Who's letting these animals in here? I'ma call the Board of Health, yo!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (uk/oG)

10 Excellent art choice, Y-Not.

Posted by: LadyS at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (C8ztS)

11 That parable has always bothered me.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (aQQbl)

12 I didn't make him look too Jewish did I?

Posted by: zombie murillo at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (Ntwfo)

13 We have a lot of prodigal sons now. But instead of returning to their father they are now the FSA that want the government to provide for them and their own children from birth to death.

And their only religion is "gimme".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (vvmPQ)

14
Looks like the bastard left Toto behind.

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (pC96u)

15 But tell me this doesn't look like a baroque style painting

http://tinyurl.com/zv7664r

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (mEZce)

16 Please keep CBD in your prayers. He lost his dad yesterday.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (t5zYU)

17 As the loyal son in my family, I have really come to dislike that parable.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (hqZPQ)

18 11 That parable has always bothered me.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (aQQbl)

Why?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (u0lmX)

19 Can we have a daily Heidi thread instead? Her pictures speak to me more than these.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (KUaJL)

20 Toto is right. Looks like there's a tornado a-brewin' in the background.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (uk/oG)

21 Remember the story, in the WaPo, about Romney when in prep school giving a haircut to a guy? The guy was Ms Shyning's cousin's son.

Ran for about 5,000 words.

Watch for dozens of stories like this about Trump.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (U6f54)

22 Read more about the Spanish Baroque school of art

Don't look at me. I didn't ba-reak it.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (Yu4ah)

23
That parable has always bothered me.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (aQQbl)
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Spill.

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 10:00 AM (pC96u)

24 Where is the unisex bathroom in that picture? I am sueing that father for civil rights violation under the Choom Title XXX.

Posted by: The Choom at May 13, 2016 10:00 AM (vvmPQ)

25 Is the guy carrying the tray wearing orthotics?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 10:00 AM (ptqRm)

26 16 Please keep CBD in your prayers. He lost his dad yesterday.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (t5zYU)

Prayers on the way.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:00 AM (u0lmX)

27 I think the "leopard doesn't change his spots," "by their deeds you shall know them," and "don't cast your pearls before swine" are a lot more apt.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 13, 2016 10:01 AM (hqZPQ)

28 I have to admit the prodigal son parable is my least favorite. I find myself still siding with the loyal son that he got screwed.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 10:01 AM (8cSVB)

29 How did we know that the prodigal son doesn't identify as a woman?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 13, 2016 10:01 AM (KUaJL)

30 Please keep CBD in your prayers. He lost his dad yesterday.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (t5zYU)

Prayers up.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 13, 2016 10:01 AM (KUaJL)

31 That parable has always bothered me.
Me too.

Posted by: the fatted calf at May 13, 2016 10:01 AM (Ntwfo)

32 "Please keep CBD in your prayers. He lost his dad yesterday."

Shit

Prayers up.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 10:01 AM (ptqRm)

33 Please, please, comrade Bernie, I need more free stuff!

Posted by: groveling Sandersnista at May 13, 2016 10:02 AM (H9MG5)

34
As the loyal son in my family, I have really come to dislike that parable.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (hqZPQ)
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I suspected this.

IP, that your beef, too? No consequences?

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 10:02 AM (pC96u)

35 Sorry for your loss, CBD.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 13, 2016 10:02 AM (hqZPQ)

36 That parable has always bothered me.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (aQQbl)

Why?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (u0lmX)

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Because the irresponsible son got a party and the responsible son got told off by Dad.

I undestand the happy reunion. But Ive lived this parable and there aint no reward for doing the right thing in the first place, other than its its own reward.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 13, 2016 10:03 AM (8XRCm)

37 28 I have to admit the prodigal son parable is my least favorite. I find myself still siding with the loyal son that he got screwed.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 10:01 AM (8cSVB)

See, I guess it's my favorite because I always identified with the prodigal son. Screwing up, doing stupid stuff like being a liberal and then repenting.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:03 AM (u0lmX)

38 Prayers up for healing CBD

My sincere condolences.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 10:03 AM (mEZce)

39 As the loyal son in my family, I have really come to dislike that parable.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (hqZPQ)

______________________________________________

For the ame reason that BFM stated. It has always struck me of rewarding those that squander and find themselves helpless by their own free will.
I lived it myself as a young man.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 10:03 AM (aQQbl)

40 Willowed from last thread:

#1 Son - a lady-killer at 10, who loves him some Mexican girls - has autism and wants to be an electrician when he grows up.

I guaran-damn-tee you he'll be the wealthiest in our family for three generations, if he can just avoid those crazy Tex-Mex girls.

Lord, they're pretty, but dangerous, the lot of them.

***
Re: Prodigal son - it's not about the loyal one, not at all, and, Hook-nosed Red Sea pedestrian that I am, I see the beauty and love in the parable.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:04 AM (lutOX)

41 As for the parable, I think it's a story about redemption. The prodigal son asks for forgiveness, even after the father rushes to greet him.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 10:04 AM (t5zYU)

42 Prayers, condolences, and positive thoughts for you and your family CBD.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 10:04 AM (aQQbl)

43 It's not the patriarchal theme that bothers me, it's that the guy looks pretty skinny.

Posted by: Trigglypuff at May 13, 2016 10:04 AM (/m8T6)

44 17 As the loyal son in my family, I have really come to dislike that parable.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (hqZPQ)

18 11 That parable has always bothered me.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (aQQbl)

Why?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (u0lmX)

See above.

In 2016, "prodigal sons" are more often than not drug addicts, and other assorted ne'er do wells who are going to exploit their parents, live off the hard work of others, and not have learned any hard lessons on their travels.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2016 10:05 AM (Dj0WE)

45 >>We have a lot of prodigal sons now. But instead of returning to their
father they are now the FSA that want the government to provide for them
and their own children from birth to death.

Word.

Local Senator running for re-election on his awesome plan to make college debt available for refinance, like a mortgage or car loan.
The world owes them a B.A, Masters, and/or PhD. in womens/gender/ethnic studies without the burden of having to pay for it, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 10:05 AM (NOIQH)

46 41 As for the parable, I think it's a story about redemption. The prodigal son asks for forgiveness, even after the father rushes to greet him.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 10:04 AM (t5zYU)
***
This, as the young set say.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:05 AM (lutOX)

47 "Please keep CBD in your prayers. He lost his dad yesterday."

Shit

Prayers up.

Double shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:06 AM (Yu4ah)

48 Hey, the master's son is back. Probably have a party, maybe a cookout...

**notices guy walking next to me has an axe**

Uh oh...

Posted by: the cow on the left at May 13, 2016 10:06 AM (H9MG5)

49 We're all prodigal sons.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 13, 2016 10:07 AM (eHpnh)

50 Because the irresponsible son got a party and the responsible son got told off by Dad.

I undestand the happy reunion. But Ive lived this parable and there aint no reward for doing the right thing in the first place, other than its its own reward.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 13, 2016 10:03 AM (8XRCm)

Are you sure, though? Sure, the prodigal son spent all his money on hookers and blow, but after that was over, he was living in the streets and eating pig food for a while before he could bring himself to go back to his father. The choice wasn't worth it from his point of view. The loyal son didn't get a few weeks to party, but on the whole, I think he was still better off.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 13, 2016 10:07 AM (KUaJL)

51 Guy goes out and spends all his money, loses his clothes, probably picks up a few diseases, and all he has to say is "please forgive me!" and all is well. A girl, on the other hand, has a solid relationship, or two, with a random soccer or football team (Division 1!) and her parents reject her out of hand!

Where is the justice?!?!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 13, 2016 10:07 AM (/m8T6)

52 Yeah, well I never got no fancy paintings 'cause nothing exciting ever happens at home.

Posted by: The Parochial Son at May 13, 2016 10:08 AM (eI19q)

53 And, not to be too heretical, but I had a love - many's the year since - who held the parable was about Lucifer himself, that God the Father would eventually reconcile even with Old Scratch.

There was something deeply beautiful and moving about that theory.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:08 AM (lutOX)

54 I can see how the parable bothers people, but the prodigal son learns humility and asks for forgiveness. And, yes, many of us can relate to being the "good son" who led a life of virtue, but there's a lesson in that, too. Virtue is not about material benefits. That's a hard lesson, but the important ones often are.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 10:08 AM (t5zYU)

55 IP, that your beef, too? No consequences?

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 10:02 AM (pC96u)

But the prodigal son did suffer consequences. He lived like a hobo and starved before he realized the error of his ways.

I think of parents I know who had kids with serious problems with drugs. Yeah, they probably spent more time and attention trying to help out the problem children rather the kids who were always good, but what's the alternative?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:09 AM (u0lmX)

56 As a result of seeing this played out in front of me in my youth I've become one that will help anyone, family, friends, strangers. BUT, only for as long as they continue to help themselves. You gotta put in the work if you expect to be rewarded.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 10:09 AM (aQQbl)

57 That dog would have been every bit as excited to see him if he had just gone outside and back in 30 seconds later.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 13, 2016 10:09 AM (NeFrd)

58 I have no problem with the prodigal son being forgiven and celebrating his return. Its the taking for granted the loyal son that bothers me.

Take that same scenario and apply that to your work life.

That said I understand Jesus's point of the parable.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 10:09 AM (8cSVB)

59 47 "Please keep CBD in your prayers. He lost his dad yesterday."

I'll be praying.

Posted by: @votermom at May 13, 2016 10:09 AM (7lVbc)

60 Like the interaction between Martha and Mary, it can be taken the wrong way - reflecting on your reaction to both of these stories can do things for your self-awareness.

I always like the Good Samaritan, myself - combined with Jesus' summary of the law, I think you get the whole Christian ethic for those who want 'just the bottom line'.

Posted by: Parker at May 13, 2016 10:09 AM (yDD08)

61 Sort of parallels a discussion with one of Little VIA's female friends finishing up her Junior year in High School.

She: You see where Bernie wants to give everyone free college?

Me: What are your thoughts on this?

She: Nothing is really ever free, just that the tax payers will pay for it.
And
If everyone has free College degree, it won't mean anything more then a High School diploma does now.

She comes from broken home, with many issues.
But, she gets it.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 10:10 AM (ptqRm)

62 13 We have a lot of prodigal sons now. But instead of returning to their father they are now the FSA that want the government to provide for them and their own children from birth to death.

And their only religion is "gimme".
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (vvmPQ)

Returning to their Father's basement counts .......

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at May 13, 2016 10:10 AM (9YmNe)

63 As the loyal son in my family, I have really come to dislike that parable.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (hqZPQ)

18 11 That parable has always bothered me.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 09:58 AM (aQQbl)

Why?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 09:59 AM (u0lmX)

See above.

In 2016, "prodigal sons" are more often than not drug addicts, and other assorted ne'er do wells who are going to exploit their parents, live off the hard work of others, and not have learned any hard lessons on their travels.
Posted by: BurtTC

Exactly. Why can't we ALL be layabouts with ZERO responsibility and have everything given to us?
Who in the universe gets to make that decision on who wins the lazy game and who loses and has to work their ass off?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:10 AM (Yu4ah)

64 And I agree with you Y-Not--when I read it, it does affect me because we're all very imperfect creatures and we all need to seek redemption, which was a new concept when Jesus presented it. As a parent, I would never stop loving my kids...but, as one of the more imperfect people in the world, I have a hard time accepting my siblings' behavior.

I guess that why the prodigal son went to his father instead of his brother for help.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 13, 2016 10:10 AM (hqZPQ)

65 Looks like the bearded lady is taking either the calf or the little boy off to the chopping block. Welcome Home BBQ supper everybody!!!!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 13, 2016 10:11 AM (NeFrd)

66 49 We're all prodigal sons.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 13, 2016 10:07 AM (eHpnh)

That's it. None of us are perfect, we all stray and have to ask forgiveness from God, and we'll get it. That's the moral of the story.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:11 AM (u0lmX)

67 You gotta put in the work if you expect to be rewarded.

Posted by: IP

We have helped out a fair share of friends and family. It is amazing how many don't want to put in the work.

Posted by: Bruce at May 13, 2016 10:11 AM (8ikIW)

68 You also have to consider that in the parable, the father is God. His resources aren't finite like they are here on earth. The loyal son doesn't lose out on anything that he rightfully earned when his brother comes back.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 13, 2016 10:12 AM (KUaJL)

69 Kind of related, this was a song that my grandmother used to sing all the time. Does anyone remember it?

Which Loved Her Best?
Anonymous

"I love you, Mother," said little John;
Then, forgetting his work, his cap went on.
And he was off to the garden swing,
And left her the water and wood to bring.

"I love you, Mother," said little Nell;
"I love you better than tongue can tell."
Then she teased and pouted full half the day,
Till her mother rejoiced when she went to play.

"I love you, Mother," said little Fan;
"To-day I'll help you all I can;
How glad I am school doesn't keep!"
So she rocked the baby till it fell asleep.

Then, stepping softly, she took the broom,
And swept the floor and tidied the room.
Busy and happy all day was she,
Helpful and happy as child could be.

"I love you, Mother," again they said,
Three little children going to bed.
How do you think that Mother guessed
Which of them really loved her best?

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 10:12 AM (t5zYU)

70 I can't fucking believe what's happened to this country.
China's navy will be larger than ours in 4 years
Putin is threatening NATO's weapons shield
Economy still in the shitter after 7 years of "recovery"
$19,000,000,000,000 in debt and growing every day

And the news of the day is that a mentally ill man in a dress is allowed to go into the bathroom, shower, etc with 13 year old girls because of an edict from our semi-retarded Dictator in chief. Fucking wonderful...

Posted by: Timon at May 13, 2016 10:13 AM (396pH)

71 https://youtu.be/hXFBiMs_amQ

Prodigal Son-Hank Williams

https://youtu.be/HZD5v4NEXLc

The Killers-All these Things That I've Done

some themes are timeless...

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:13 AM (g8Hfr)

72 Now you take this dirty laundry and make it sparkle.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 10:13 AM (Nwg0u)

73 As a result of seeing this played out in front of me in my youth I've become one that will help anyone, family, friends, strangers. BUT, only for as long as they continue to help themselves. You gotta put in the work if you expect to be rewarded.
Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 10:09 AM (aQQbl)

And that's the modern world truth. Yes, let the youngster go out and learn his lessons, come home with humility, vow to change.

Wonderful.

But in this brave new world of ours, the lessons don't get learned. I've seen that play out over and over and over and over and over again, aging parents who die from heartbreak, as their "prodigal" sons suck the life out of them. Go back onto streets, then go back into "treatment," then back home to suck more life out of family.

Show me a parent who can love from afar, as their son or daughter gets a clue, screws back on some self-respect and independence, and I'll show you a parent who has something to celebrate.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2016 10:13 AM (Dj0WE)

74 The moral of the story is that salvation is available to everyone at anytime and those that already have salvation should celebrate those that are lost but now found.

I like the parable about the lost gold coin to make that point instead of the prodigal son.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 10:14 AM (8cSVB)

75 "Family values" are not all they're cracked up to be, as the Testaments attest. In some families, it's pretty easy to be branded the Prodigal. And all too often, the GoodyTwo-Shoes are really the heavy schemers, especially when there is a family enterprise involved.

And the fvcking Germans will stab each other in the back until the goddam cows come home, burn down the barn, and then blame the Joos. Sayin. Just sayin. Not that any of this ever could happen within 100 miles of any family of mine. Oh no.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:14 AM (tIja6)

76 >>And, yes, many of us can relate to being the "good son" who led a life
of virtue, but there's a lesson in that, too. Virtue is not about
material benefits. That's a hard lesson, but the important ones often
are.

Yep. It's about how both sons are lost, with the elder one thinking that if he follows the rules he deserves more. "The Prodigal God" is a good book exploring this parable.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 10:14 AM (NOIQH)

77 And the news of the day is that a mentally ill man in a dress is allowed to go into the bathroom, shower, etc with 13 year old girls because of an edict from our semi-retarded Dictator in chief.
---------------------------------------------------

Well, if you put it like that, things do sound a little dire.

Posted by: MTF at May 13, 2016 10:14 AM (/m8T6)

78 66 Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:11 AM (u0lmX)

Mother and Father is the name of God on the lips of kids....

and we are all kids until the day we die in a lot of ways.

I miss my mother terribly.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:14 AM (g8Hfr)

79 Because the irresponsible son got a party and the responsible son got told off by Dad.

I undestand the happy reunion. But Ive lived this parable and there aint no reward for doing the right thing in the first place, other than its its own reward.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 13, 2016 10:03 AM (8XRCm)

The responsible son was told off because he wasn't being responsible for the right reasons. He was just being responsible to get stuff, not out of love or devotion. Yes, the prodigal got a party but he wasn't getting a new inheritance. He was welcomed back but he still would suffer the consequences of his choices.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 10:15 AM (n2GmV)

80 She comes from broken home, with many issues.
But, she gets it.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 10:10 AM (ptqRm)

Good to see that THS is turning out a few good ones.

Posted by: Timon at May 13, 2016 10:15 AM (396pH)

81 77 Posted by: MTF at May 13, 2016 10:14 AM (/m8T6)

The Anglosphere is stupid and suicidal.

I never thought in the span of my life going native on another cultural identity might be the only survival choice.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:15 AM (g8Hfr)

82 Finally, back to my safe space.

What do you mean you rented out my room in the basement?

Posted by: son at May 13, 2016 10:16 AM (oGRue)

83 featuring Trigglypuff as the fatted calf

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 10:16 AM (oGRue)

84 "leopard doesn't change his spots,"

-
But get the spots out of my leotards.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 10:16 AM (Nwg0u)

85
"Please keep CBD in your prayers. He lost his dad yesterday."

RIP.

And a link to the Mozart Requiem:

https://goo.gl/mNL6RO

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 13, 2016 10:16 AM (X6fMO)

86 The beggar is Cruz. Trump is forgiving him. Christie, on the right, is offering tangible expression of Team Trump's forgiveness by offering him new clothes (redemption) in exchange for his tattered rags (last-ditch campaign soul-selling). The man and child at left are leading a sacrificial cow to Trump, who will sacrifice the animal in gratitude to Ba'al for Cruz' return to the fold. The axe will then be used by Trump to execute Cruz, Christie, and the boy, who has annoyed him hugely by pulling on his coat and saying "hey mister, hey mister" endlessly. The man at far right, in the shadows, is Sidney Blumenthal because, you know.

Posted by: General Zod at May 13, 2016 10:16 AM (Bdeb0)

87 79 Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 10:15 AM (n2GmV)

Correct, having a place made at the table is not the same thing as being made head of the table.

God love the Jews and Early Christians...

they had more wisdom in their leavings than modern man has in his works.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:17 AM (g8Hfr)

88 Maybe this thread is too much of a downer. Sorry about that. My mom's (RIP) birthday was on Monday and this time of year was also when we found out she was sick, so I get a little introspective about family stuff at this time of year.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 10:17 AM (t5zYU)

89 Yep. It's about how both sons are lost, with the elder one thinking that if he follows the rules he deserves more.

I don't think I deserve more, but don't give the shiftless, lazy, layabout the EXACT same thing as if he's worked every minute for it.

Fvck this participation trophy bs.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:17 AM (Yu4ah)

90 I have to admit the prodigal son parable is my least favorite. I find
myself still siding with the loyal son that he got screwed.

Wow. I thought I was the only one....I have to say, though, that as the father reminds the elder son, everything the father owns is the elder son's, meaning that the elder son hasn't really lost anything by his brother's return. I really dislike the modern trend of interpreting the parable in such a way that the elder son is the real sinner - he is rather petulant and unloving towards the end, but that isn't nearly as bad as what his brother did.

I think Jesus included the exchange between the father and the elder son to address our very human tendency to nitpick over who deserves what and lose track of what we should really be focusing on - the return of our brothers to righteousness. Of course, since we are all in prodigals at some level...

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 13, 2016 10:17 AM (bZ7mE)

91 Remember, in God's eyes, we're all the prodigal son

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 10:17 AM (oGRue)

92 Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 10:15 AM (n2GmV)

How did you determine the prodigal son was being loyal for the wrong reasons ?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 10:17 AM (8cSVB)

93 Yesterday were graced with a video of a Hoverboard.

Today, I would like to repay that favor....

http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=271278

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 10:17 AM (ptqRm)

94 Put me down on Team Irked. While I understand the point made, it did always feel like the son who did the right thing was getting the shaft.

Especially these days, when doing the right thing...gets you the shaft.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 10:18 AM (9krrF)

95 i think it's a lovely discussion, when one is lost they can find their way back to redemption through 'tshuva , yes those that remained loyal 'seem' to get the lesser of the deals, but perhaps because they were so far longer in their spiritual essence they didn't have to struggle as much .
both are a blessing .

anyways, gratefulness to all that return is my motto.

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:18 AM (+wjl1)

96 And so the parable clearly teaches that Government will always be there to care for you. No matter how much you fuck up when you try to go it alone.

Just do as your told. Always.

Posted by: Hilary! at May 13, 2016 10:20 AM (oGRue)

97 63 Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:10 AM (Yu4ah)

My brother rejected hard work and decency a good part of his life including two prison stints.

The 2d time he came home broken, wounded, and driven to succeed.

My dad and I helped him get the last 1/3d of his house down payment after he showed good faith in shepherding the majority.

He thinks it was a *loan* it is a gift.

Thing is my father was very quiet about giving my brother his half of the third...

He gave it to me without telling me what to do and watched what I did do.

Broken or not they are our blood.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:21 AM (g8Hfr)

98 In terms of parent-child relationships, this parable isn't nearly as tough as Abraham and Isaac. Old Testament Father is pretty hard-core, imho.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 10:21 AM (t5zYU)

99 This is my 2nd least favorite bible story. And yes, before you hate on me, I do understand the lesson that it's intended to teach. I just think it's a crummy lesson.

My number one least favorite is Abraham and Isaac. Read the whole bible and tell me that one doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. It's completely out of place. Every time I read it or hear it I can't help but think: The kind and loving God I was taught about would NEVER do an awful thing like this.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 13, 2016 10:21 AM (Zq8pH)

100 Lizzy Isn't that so silly. Make college debt refinance able. Well if the feds won't let you pay the student loan off if you can get a private loan for better terms shame on them. But somehow I don't think that is what Bennet has in mind.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 13, 2016 10:21 AM (wYRTH)

101 In Re: Donald Trump threatening everyone's 401(k).

Donald Trump did not threaten anyone's savings. We all did. He just stated what will happen, though he did not state when.

What cannot go on will not go on, debts that cannot be paid will not be paid, promises that cannot be kept will not be kept.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let The Outrage Outlet Cater Your Graduate's Pity Party! at May 13, 2016 10:21 AM (hLRSq)

102 We're all prodigal sons.

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Today we call them probable sons because we don't know how they self identify.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 10:22 AM (Nwg0u)

103 94 Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 10:18 AM (9krrF)

It's a hard lesson to accept Cavil.

In the end the complaining son misunderstood the lessons of his own life's choices.

His reward was in fact not in one burst but was in the life his father had taught him to live.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:22 AM (g8Hfr)

104 81 The Anglosphere is stupid and suicidal.

I never thought in the span of my life going native on another cultural identity might be the only survival choice.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:15 AM (g8Hfr)
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Agreed.

Posted by: MTF at May 13, 2016 10:23 AM (/m8T6)

105 Oh yeah, the widow and the ten talents. So when she finds the missing coin, she calls in her neighbors and throws a Big Party. Spending, natch, the other nine.

You can sure trump up some bad examples from Scripture.

The Light Under The Bushel is a real barn-burner, too.
And the guy who builds those silos. There's always somethin, isn't there?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:23 AM (tIja6)

106 >>Wow. I thought I was the only one....

Nope, I would be on team irked, too. I don't think the older son is worse, and I hope that's not the current interpretation ---sounds awfully progressive, making the hedonist son less a sinner. Like someone wants to use it to put down the faithful as scolds (how tired are we of that stereotype?).

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 10:24 AM (NOIQH)

107 @98, @99. I have actually been Down On Highway 61.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:24 AM (tIja6)

108 Folks here who identify with the resentment of the loyal son, just like in the parable?

Jesus sure had a knack for nailing it.

The loyal son's dutifulness was not unappreciated, but he was self-centered and resentful instead of joyous at the return of the wayward brother.

Faithful in duty but loveless in heart is not familial at all. Which was the "lost" son at that point?

I hope he got over it.

Posted by: mindful webworker - loyal son, mostly at May 13, 2016 10:24 AM (Y5LDn)

109 I like the parable about the lost gold coin to make that point instead of the prodigal son.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 10:14 AM (8cSVB)

I prefer the laborers in the field parable. All paid equally at the end of the day, regardless of whether they toiled from the beginning, middle, or end of the day.

Our prodigal son here, I want to see what he does tomorrow, after the celebration. Does he get to toiling, or does he go back out there to sew some more wild oats?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2016 10:25 AM (Dj0WE)

110 "Good to see that THS is turning out a few good ones."

Hey Timon, glad to see you!!

Yeh, there seems to be a whole sub-culture of conservative kids at THS this year.

They are all going to the Prom together, hanging out afterwards and so on.

Fortress VIA has slowly taken on the role of a collecting point for like minded High Schoolers and College students this year.

You are just as likely to find them watching Louder with Crowder on streaming video as you are to see them playing video games.

And I just got a call from a friend that started with "You see that stupid thing from the Justice Department about bathrooms? My daughter goes to *Delete*, and every damn student in there is expressive, flamboyant and gender fluid"

It's a great time to be alive.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 10:25 AM (ptqRm)

111 >>i think it's a lovely discussion, when one is lost they can find their way back to redemption through 'tshuva , yes those that remained loyal 'seem' to get the lesser of the deals, but perhaps because they were so far longer in their spiritual essence they didn't have to struggle as much .
both are a blessing .

>>anyways, gratefulness to all that return is my motto.

I'm with willow.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2016 10:25 AM (/tuJf)

112 The older son is not worse, he stumbled and misunderstood the point.

That doesn't make him bad, it does make his short-sighted.

He has had a life of plenty, understanding the price of work for gain.

The father is right, even if the lesson is a hard one.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:25 AM (g8Hfr)

113 Reading too much into parables is a occupational hazard for preachers. I think some other folks here may have caught it too....

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 13, 2016 10:25 AM (bZ7mE)

114 In terms of parent-child relationships, this parable isn't nearly as tough as Abraham and Isaac. Old Testament Father is pretty hard-core, imho.

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but then you recall that Old Testament Father didn't make Abraham sacrifice his son.

And that New Testament Father did actually sacrifice his own Son.

who's hard core?

Posted by: Hilary! at May 13, 2016 10:25 AM (oGRue)

115 If the father told the two boys he was giving all his estate away to strangers at his death, and not to them then the material side disappears from this story and the good boy would be able to be joyful when the prodigal son returns. Of course, that assumes he would still return, notwithstanding the profit motive...

Posted by: MTF at May 13, 2016 10:26 AM (/m8T6)

116 I think the main point Jesus was trying to make is that it is never too late to humble yourself before the Father and ask for forgiveness.

The secondary point is reminding us all that virtue is its own reward (and responsibility).

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 13, 2016 10:27 AM (t5zYU)

117 Actually it's funny, now that I think about it. In the parable the good son wasn't really out much of anything--he was still out ahead. I guess what irks me is the way it gets interpreted these days is in variation from the original, as if the tale is saying that the good son should get screwed over to benefit the prodigal.

So I guess I'm not being entirely fair to the parable.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 10:27 AM (9krrF)

118 i don'r believe the prodigal son is less a sinner, the 'good son' has reached the spiritual heights already, but the returning son even in the same family returned , both are amazing stories of forgiveness, the earlier son, i'm sure had his tests before, of course i guess this is all depending on what and how you believe .

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:27 AM (+wjl1)

119 Jesus sure had a knack for nailing it.

The loyal son's dutifulness was not unappreciated, but he was self-centered and resentful instead of joyous at the return of the wayward brother.

Faithful in duty but loveless in heart is not familial at all. Which was the "lost" son at that point?

I hope he got over it.

Posted by: mindful webworker - loyal son, mostly at May 13, 2016 10:24 AM (Y5LDn)

I completely agree with your take on things, but I'm sorry, I had to laugh when I read "nailed" - which is perhaps the wrong verb to use regarding Jesus.

OTOH, He was a carpenter...

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:27 AM (u0lmX)

120 Re: Olympic Games discussion from yesterday

Just an observation to my fellow morons, to me the Olympic Games fiasco, with the murders, the toxic water, the zika virus, the economic problems, seems like the world right now in a microcosm. If I was a betting man I would say the collapse is starting now. If not a collapse, then a transition to much more interesting times.

Posted by: Max Power at May 13, 2016 10:27 AM (QCc6B)

121 There ought to be the story of the "prodigal father".

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 13, 2016 10:28 AM (/m8T6)

122 >>>2 Trump receiving Ryan.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at May 13, 2016 09:55 AM (U6f54)

________

This made me laugh

Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 13, 2016 10:28 AM (10hEu)

123 That boy looks like he's high on meth. The prodigal tweaker.

Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2016 10:28 AM (UzPAd)

124 @113 Verily there is much wisdom in your homily.
Goes great with grits, too.
Absurdum is 'zackly what so many of us get reductio'ed to.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:28 AM (tIja6)

125 The story of salvation and forgiveness; surely the two hardest concepts in Christianity. Whenever I read this parable, my initial thought is 'dang, how unfair is that?' but with some reflection I do realize, as many here have said, at any given time, we are all the prodigal son. We have all strayed and sinned but somewhere deep down inside, we are all looking for redemption and salvation that cannot be found in material things, only in Christ (if you are a believer, that is).

Posted by: IC at May 13, 2016 10:28 AM (a0IVu)

126 "Trump receiving Ryan."

Anyone else notice that Paul RINO-an came out of yesterday's meeting with Trump, and immediately started talking to the press about... not the meeting, but about some obscure item of legislation to address the opioid overdose epidemic?

(Yeah, yet another goddamned Big Government drug law will surely fix the problem. The thousands we've got already that haven't fixed the problem since the 1920s? One too few, that's all that's wrong. This one's the winnah. Bank on it.)

Eventually some reporter said, "Um, Mr. Speaker, how about the, you know, get-together with Mr. Trump?"

Ryan then quickly mumbled the expected boilerplate about how great and awesome the meeting was, how cordial Trump had been. And that was that.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 13, 2016 10:29 AM (noWW6)

127 4
Thank you for this picture.

To my mind the Prodigal Son is the most beautiful and moving of all Christ's parables.

Posted by: Donna and V. z(sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 09:56 AM (u0lmX)
on so many levels......God is Love, His Mercy endures forever, ask for forgiveness and you shall receive it........God never abandons us....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2016 10:29 AM (0O7c5)

128 83
featuring Trigglypuff as the fatted calf

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 10:16 AM (oGRue)

She was the "pig" he was eating slops with.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 13, 2016 10:29 AM (vvmPQ)

129 Participation trophy comment for the win!

I understand this from the God and his forgiveness, and His welcoming the lost back to his Grace angle, I do, It's subtlety mentioned that he gets no more inheritance too.

But a "fatted calf" in this sense is no small sacrifice. I don't see the elder brother as greedy or resentful. I see him as treated like someone of lesser importance since he did NOT stray. Returning to Grace is not above staying in the flock to me.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 10:29 AM (aQQbl)

130 On further review, yeah, my problem's not the parable itself, it's how it's taught these days. Mark another one up for the creeping culture rot.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 10:29 AM (9krrF)

131 108 Posted by: mindful webworker - loyal son, mostly at May 13, 2016 10:24 AM (Y5LDn)

Quite.

I am the dutiful son even though I am a lost Ohioan wandering from place to place.

My father is not a devout man, but sinful though he has been he is a cagey wise man who grasped that lesson.

He hoped I would do the right thing, and later he told me he could have died the instant my brother showed him the fixer-upper he had bought saying "Dad Sven just lent me 4000 dollars" and been happy.

Why?

I had told Dad I had loaned him 2000 dollars I would likely never see again.

Dad correctly figured I had silently doubled it.

My brother and I almost killed each other several times when we were kids.

Dad knew at that instant we would be okay when he was gone.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:29 AM (g8Hfr)

132
New Testament Father did actually sacrifice his own Son.
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I never get this. It was a mere 33 years, and then he got him back. And it was never as if NT Father was separated from his son any more than you and I are.

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 10:30 AM (pC96u)

133 jack, i probably shouldn't speak on this as i don't look at this from a jesus perspective 'cough', but a return to G-d in general. any and all of us.

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:30 AM (+wjl1)

134 Congratulations to Barack Obama for being the first woman President and first Presidential couple to be in a lesbian marriage.

Posted by: Kathleen Syphilis at May 13, 2016 10:30 AM (e8kgV)

135 i'll blame y'not
because y not?!

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:30 AM (+wjl1)

136 remember, the prodigal son isn't a sinner. He's just damnation involved.

Posted by: Hilary! at May 13, 2016 10:31 AM (oGRue)

137 Posted by: Donna and V. z(sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 09:56 AM (u0lmX)
on so many levels......God is Love, His Mercy endures forever, ask for forgiveness and you shall receive it........God never abandons us....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2016 10:29 AM (0O7c5)

Yes, it gives me hope instead of making me angry because I know how badly I've screwed up - and He'll still forgive me...

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:31 AM (u0lmX)

138 >>ask for forgiveness and you shall receive it........God never abandons us....

Follows that if you don't ask forgiveness, you're denied it. Seems reasonable.

Posted by: General Zod at May 13, 2016 10:31 AM (Bdeb0)

139 So I guess I'm not being entirely fair to the parable.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 10:27 AM (9krrF)

A lost soul has been found. That's enough reason for God to celebrate

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let The Outrage Outlet Cater Your Graduate's Pity Party! at May 13, 2016 10:31 AM (hLRSq)

140 When a slacker employee gets a bonus at work for one project and you have never received a bonus for your years of good work, get over it. Your reward is in the job itself.

Again the aggravation comes from the literal part of the parable, not the ultimate message.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 10:32 AM (8cSVB)

141 >>jack, i probably shouldn't speak on this as i don't look at this from a jesus perspective 'cough', but a return to G-d in general. any and all of us.

I think that's fine. The important thing is the message.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2016 10:32 AM (/tuJf)

142 132

I never get this. It was a mere 33 years, and then he got him back.
And it was never as if NT Father was separated from his son any more
than you and I are.

... Life expediency in the Roman Era was 20-30 years. Jesus was an old man.

Posted by: Kathleen Syphilis at May 13, 2016 10:33 AM (e8kgV)

143 I never get this. It was a mere 33 years, and then he got him back. And it was never as if NT Father was separated from his son any more than you and I are.

Hoo, boy. So how 'bout them Braves, huh?

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 13, 2016 10:33 AM (eHpnh)

144 101
In Re: Donald Trump threatening everyone's 401(k).

Donald Trump did not threaten anyone's savings. We all did. He just stated what will happen, though he did not state when.

What cannot go on will not go on, debts that cannot be paid will not be paid, promises that cannot be kept will not be kept.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let The Outrage Outlet Cater Your Graduate's Pity Party! at May 13, 2016 10:21 AM (hLRSq)

He is not threatening any 401K. What he has said is that Obama's runaway inflation from printing money will kill people's 401K (and any other savings type).

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 13, 2016 10:33 AM (vvmPQ)

145 FOX leads story on crisis in Air Force maintenance with...shot of Hornet hitting the cables on a carrier. Arrrgh.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:33 AM (tIja6)

146 140 Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 10:32 AM (8cSVB)

Joe God tells us repeatedly that the reward for a pious life is not on this Earth but is in fact an easier path to His Kingdom.

The wonderful thing about freedom in the case you mention is the ability to hang your shingle elsewhere.

The Donks are by the way trying to codify the source of your ire as baseline operating procedure.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:34 AM (g8Hfr)

147 I guess I just have to remember, be thankful for getting grace and mercy instead of justice. Because if it was justice instead, I and everyone else would be totally f***ed.

Well, I never claimed to be perfect.... :/

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 10:34 AM (9krrF)

148 The Prodigal Son could represent Satan.

OSAS!

�Yo, washed in the Blood, yo!

Posted by: Yay, a Nephilim thread! at May 13, 2016 10:34 AM (yz+w+)

149 The loyal son's dutifulness was not unappreciated, but he was self-centered and resentful instead of joyous at the return of the wayward brother.

If the wayward brother was "made whole" with no penalty for being wayward, then yes, the loyal son WAS unappreciated.

Unless he got to go do blow off hooker's asses.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:35 AM (Yu4ah)

150 Because if it was justice instead, I and everyone else would be totally f***ed.

---ain't that the truth

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:35 AM (+wjl1)

151 FOX leads story on crisis in Air Force maintenance with...shot of Hornet hitting the cables on a carrier. Arrrgh.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:33 AM (tIja6)

The curse of stock footage.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let The Outrage Outlet Cater Your Graduate's Pity Party! at May 13, 2016 10:35 AM (hLRSq)

152 My number one least favorite is Abraham and Isaac.

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How about Genesis 34? It's like Adolph Hitler wrote it. The Jews convince the Hivites to submit to circumcision then after three days, when they are in extreme pain and cannot defend themselves, the Jews go into the city and kill all the males.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 10:35 AM (Nwg0u)

153 But a "fatted calf" in this sense is no small sacrifice.

Hmmm, not necessarily. I suspect that the fatted calf would have been killed that year anyway, as it would have been a surplus animal (i.e., not retained for plowing or breeding) and surplus animals were typically killed in the fall to save on fodder costs. That is how it was done in colder climates, anyhow. In any case, they couldn't keep it indefinitely, as it would grow old and tough.

I think that it was a matter of honor - when and for whom it was killed - rather than the cost of the calf itself.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 13, 2016 10:36 AM (bZ7mE)

154 IP

I think when you read it a long with the parable of the Good Shepherd it makes more sense. The shepherd protects all of his flock and when one is missing he will search until he finds it. And the joy the shepherd feels when the lost one is found and all is well is cause for great celebration. He doesn't love the ones who didn't get lost any less or the one that was lost anymore.....He loves them all the same......that's the beauty.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2016 10:36 AM (0O7c5)

155 OT (can I go OT already?) - Trump and George Stephanopoulous (however its spelled) really got into it this morning? Did anyone catch it?

Posted by: IC at May 13, 2016 10:36 AM (a0IVu)

156 152 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 10:35 AM (Nwg0u)

OT God was a hard God...

NT God is just as hard, but subtle.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:37 AM (g8Hfr)

157 ... Life expediency in the Roman Era was 20-30 years. Jesus was an old man.

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not really, life expectancy was so low because of the very high infant death rates. If you made it past childhood, then you could often get 60 years. A 'U' shaped distribution.

Posted by: Hilary! at May 13, 2016 10:37 AM (oGRue)

158 Unless he got to go do ~~blow~~manna off ~~hooker's~~his father's concubines' asses.

Despite Leviticus and the Shalt-Nots, in many ways it was a different world.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:37 AM (tIja6)

159 we don't know that the prodigal son doesn't ever recieve a consequence, we just know he chooses to return.

well maybe that's not a christian tradition?
doesn't he have to do some form of making up for his crimes?

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:37 AM (+wjl1)

160 ---ain't that the truth
Posted by: willow

*does the Forrest Gump wave to Ms. Willow!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:37 AM (Yu4ah)

161 154 Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2016 10:36 AM (0O7c5)

Yup.

Nailed it.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:38 AM (g8Hfr)

162 155 OT (can I go OT already?) - Trump and George Stephanopoulous (however its spelled) really got into it this morning? Did anyone catch it?

Posted by: IC at May 13, 2016 10:36 AM (a0IVu)

No. But watching now.

http://tinyurl.com/zutwnvx

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 10:38 AM (mEZce)

163 God Blessed Texas, truly He did...
The Lt. Gov. just told Empress Barry that she could 'keep his thirty pieces of silver,' WRT the whole bathroom/shower thing.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:38 AM (lutOX)

164
CBD's dad, from the stories he's told me, was one helluva guy.

May his name be for a blessing and may G-d comfort his family and friends.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2016 10:38 AM (p4UlV)

165 hi ~~rick, nice to see you.

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:38 AM (+wjl1)

166
The parable used to bother me a little bit about the neer-do-well even though understanding the meaning of self redemption and being forgiven by the Grace of the Father.

Then I had children, the parable bothers me not the least.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2016 10:39 AM (ODxAs)

167 BTW, my sister and I decided to go to the Brewer -Padres game last night on the spur of the moment because the weather was so beautiful.

You have to walk though a metal detector at Miller Park to get in. The yute in front of us set the alarm off. He had a kitchen knife on him. He was very upset that they took it away.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:39 AM (u0lmX)

168 159 Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:37 AM (+wjl1)

He works hard I'd wager, or he doesn't.

Going home changed little in and of itself other than making an old man happy.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:39 AM (g8Hfr)

169 JJ, cbd father, something has happened ?

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:39 AM (+wjl1)

170 From the Charlotte Observer:

"'Depending on how the courts rule on the bathroom issues, it may be a pretty valuable tool to have on the female students if they go to the bathroom, not knowing who may come in,' board member Chuck Hughes said in referencing concerns about HB2, according to the Salisbury Post.

The Rowan-Salisbury Board of Education agreed this week to remove language that kept students from taking defensive sprays onto campuses. The district is located about 40 miles northeast of Charlotte."

... just as Barack Obama has spurred on the gun industry, now, he is promoting the sale of defensive "pepper spray" for bathroom users.

Posted by: Kathleen Syphilis at May 13, 2016 10:39 AM (e8kgV)

171 How about Genesis 34? It's like Adolph Hitler wrote it. The Jews
convince the Hivites to submit to circumcision then after three days,
when they are in extreme pain and cannot defend themselves, the Jews go
into the city and kill all the males.

After their prince raped their sister, apparently with the approval of his people, mind you.

I'm told that this vignette was NOT included in the Bible as an example worthy of following, BTW. Being my wayward self, I've always sympathized with the sons of Jacob in this matter, though....

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 13, 2016 10:40 AM (bZ7mE)

172 Stephanopoulos, a former staffer in Bill Clinton's administration, asked Trump what his tax rate rate is, to which the billionaire replied, 'It's none of your business.'

Good. FYNQ.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 10:40 AM (mEZce)

173 I think when you read it a long with the parable of the Good Shepherd it makes more sense. The shepherd protects all of his flock and when one is missing he will search until he finds it. And the joy the shepherd feels when the lost one is found and all is well is cause for great celebration. He doesn't love the ones who didn't get lost any less or the one that was lost anymore.....He loves them all the same......that's the beauty.....

Ask the rest of the sheep how they felt being left unprotected while the shepherd looked for the wayward brother.

Father - shepherd
Flock - loyal son
Lost sheep - wayward brother

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:40 AM (Yu4ah)

174 That kid looks just a little too happy about leading the calf to the slaughter.

Future Ted Bundy happy.

Posted by: An Poc Ar Buile at May 13, 2016 10:40 AM (XbIOG)

175 155 OT (can I go OT already?) - Trump and George Stephanopoulous (however its spelled) really got into it this morning? Did anyone catch it?
Posted by: IC at May 13, 2016 10:36 AM (a0IVu)

All Trump has to keep saying (yelling) is "George, you used to be Bill Clinton's chief of staff! You have no credibility at all! What the hell are you doing posing as a journalist?!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2016 10:40 AM (p4UlV)

176 169 JJ, cbd father, something has happened ?
Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:39 AM (+wjl1)

His father passed last night

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 10:40 AM (mEZce)

177 well maybe that's not a christian tradition?
doesn't he have to do some form of making up for his crimes?

That very question--of what is required in return for divine grace--is one of the most deeply dividing in all of Christianity. It's literally the fault line upon which denominations were split and wars fought.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 10:41 AM (9krrF)

178 169 JJ, cbd father, something has happened ?
Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:39 AM (+wjl1)

CBD's dad passed away yesterday evening.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2016 10:41 AM (p4UlV)

179 oh, i see prayers for CBD and his family, sorry to hear, may his fathers name have be blessed.

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:41 AM (+wjl1)

180 There are a lot of variations possible with this story.

The son who never leaves home, multiple variations of why.

The son who is driven away by the father, for various reasons.

Or the son who flees a domineering mother.

Posted by: Vugar Rasim at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (YIr1F)

181 ***"Life expediency in the Roman Era was 20-30 years."***

Life expediency? heh.

But really, this myth really needs to be busted over and over and over.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (Wckf4)

182 If Biblical parables don't bother you, you are not reading them right.

Posted by: Roy at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (VndSC)

183 I never get this. It was a mere 33 years, and then he got him back. And it was never as if NT Father was separated from his son any more than you and I are.

---

you can look at it a number of ways.

God had to endure watching his Son suffer horribly, which was in a sense Himself.

God could have ended it at any moment. but allowed it to continue for a greater good.

Jesus was a man, but without sin. Thus his execution was entirely unjust. And he accepted that to redeem us.

i'm sure that there are additional dimensions.

Posted by: Hilary! at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (oGRue)

184
Exactly. Why can't we ALL be layabouts with ZERO responsibility and have everything given to us?

Who in the universe gets to make that decision on who wins the lazy game and who loses and has to work their ass off?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:10 AM (Yu4ah)

It is not that the prodigal son went off and did everything he wanted and then came back. The prodigal son came back to put himself under the rule of his father again, and the father welcomed him.
Without redeeming there is no redemption. Without the father's acceptance there is no reason to change. If damnation is forever, there is no recovery from a false step.

Granted, I suspect his brothers later cornered him and informed him that if he ever dicked them over again and broke their father's heart it would go really hard on him. But that is proper brotherly concern.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (ry34m)

185 Life expediency in the Roman Era was 20-30 years. Jesus was an old man.
Posted by: Kathleen Syphilis at May 13, 2016 10:33 AM (e8kgV)

If you made into your late teens, you had a pretty good chance of living a pretty long life. Life expectancy is always driven by the number of children, early teens who die of some disease or another.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (n2GmV)

186 79--- Yes, the prodigal got a party but he wasn't getting a new inheritance. He was welcomed back but he still would suffer the consequences of his choices.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 10:15 AM
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Yes. The father tells him, "Everything I have is yours."
The prodigal got his inheritance early and spent it. He ain't getting another. What is left goes to the big brother.

Also, the prodigal picks himself up from the pig sty and walks all the way home. He recognizes that he is not fit to be a son anymore. He only wants to be hired by his father as a lowly servant, and even that much he knows would be an act of mercy on dad's part.

The father does run out to greet him but it's the prodigal himself who has to take the long walk from sty to home.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (T/5A0)

187 off socialist hag sock

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (oGRue)

188 He is not threatening any 401K. What he has said is that Obama's runaway inflation from printing money will kill people's 401K (and any other savings type).
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 13, 2016 10:33 AM (vvmPQ)

So far this morning, I've heard on the news, that Trump is backing down on "banning Muslims". And that he isn't going to build a wall, and he is going to move back to the center now and return to his views on abortion, etc. that he held from 20 years ago. He wants to raise the minimum wage, etc.
Jerry River's said this this morning on F&F.

So I come here and find the same type of bullshit, only it's clickbait sidebar comments.
Trump rightfully points out that with the inflationary policy of the Feds money printing, 401K are going to lose a lot of their value, and that gets translated and regurgitated as "Trump is going to take everyone's 401K".

Posted by: Jen the original at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (2I2BK)

189 147 I guess I just have to remember, be thankful for getting grace and mercy instead of justice. Because if it was justice instead, I and everyone else would be totally f***ed.

Well, I never claimed to be perfect.... :/

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 10:34 AM (9krrF)

I think it was Mark Twain who said that if the world was just, who would escape hanging?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (u0lmX)

190 "May his name be a blessing." What a wonderful thought.

It's my opinion that "nerd" originated as a contraction of "ne'er-do-well."

And yes, I did see Leviticus and the Shalt-Nots open, at a church picnic.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (tIja6)

191 177 Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 13, 2016 10:41 AM (9krrF)

It is also what separates us morally from other faiths....or did.

I am not certain what Christian morality is anymore.

When you have "Clergy" openly advocating for Glee Marriage and Tranny Bathroom Joy in their religious finery.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:43 AM (g8Hfr)

192 JJ i went and read upstream, may the grief be light as possible for He returned from where He came .

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:43 AM (+wjl1)

193 148 The Prodigal Son could represent Satan.

OSAS!

Yo, washed in the Blood, yo!
Posted by: Yay, a Nephilim thread! at May 13, 2016 10:34 AM (yz+w+)
***
See my number 53, Latey McLate-Face.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:43 AM (lutOX)

194
No way shd that Clinton shill, Stephanopoulos, be covering politics.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 10:43 AM (iQIUe)

195 "FOX leads story on crisis in Air Force maintenance with...shot of Hornet hitting the cables on a carrier. Arrrgh."

I am put in mind of the several recent cases wherein twentysomething special snowflakes have been told to assemble video or photo backdrops for things like honoring American veterans.

And, because the snowflakes don't know shit from Shinola, they've ended up using Russian military footage and photos.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 13, 2016 10:43 AM (noWW6)

196 Lizzy #76 and WOPR #79 made my #108 point better.

Someone almost always beats me to a remark.

But I got first.

Posted by: mindful webworker - student of Moronity at May 13, 2016 10:43 AM (Y5LDn)

197 But a "fatted calf" in this sense is no small sacrifice. I don't see the elder brother as greedy or resentful. I see him as treated like someone of lesser importance since he did NOT stray. Returning to Grace is not above staying in the flock to me.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 10:29 AM (aQQbl)

Well, this is the thing when real life meets the parable.

If you're a dutiful child and suddenly through no fault of your own,

find yourself cast into this role because of an asshole sibling in the process of destroying themselves and the family in the process,

then all the attention and resources and time and love spent on the asshole-

can feel like a lack of love of your parents for you-

because you are doing the right thing as best as you can (imperfect though we all are)-

why else but lack of love or, at the least, respect for the difference in treatment?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 13, 2016 10:43 AM (oU3Bb)

198 I prefer Old Testament God, with all the fire, and brimstone, and floods, and smiting.

Posted by: An Poc Ar Buile at May 13, 2016 10:44 AM (XbIOG)

199 He doesn't love the ones who didn't get lost any
less or the one that was lost anymore.....He loves them all the
same......that's the beauty.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2016 10:36 AM (0O7c5)
________________________________________

And this is why I love the HQ and the Horde, come for the laughs and stay for the introspection and learnin'.
I'm beginning to see it differently and like others who have mentioned it, perhaps it has been presented in a way that I didn't fully grasp. Something to talk over with the preacher Sunday I guess.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 10:44 AM (aQQbl)

200
OT (can I go OT already?) - Trump and George Stephanopoulous (however its spelled) really got into it this morning? Did anyone catch it?

Posted by: IC at May 13, 2016 10:36 AM (a0IVu)
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Watching it now.

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 10:45 AM (pC96u)

201 Gotta love the smiling boy and the dude with an axe slung over his shoulder, leading the "fatted calf" off to be transformed, as if by magic, into a deeeeeelicious feast.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 13, 2016 10:45 AM (CS7jF)

202 194
No way shd that Clinton shill, Stephanopoulos, be covering politics.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 10:43 AM (iQIUe)

RNC/GOPe will have him host a debate.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 10:45 AM (mEZce)

203 198 I prefer Old Testament God, with all the fire, and brimstone, and floods, and smiting.
Posted by: An Poc Ar Buile
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The NT God has that Jewish mother thing going though.

Posted by: Roy at May 13, 2016 10:45 AM (VndSC)

204 i know that doesn't really help when we are grief striken for our loved one

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:45 AM (+wjl1)

205 We never would have made it out of the neolithic era if our life expectancy was only 30 years.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 13, 2016 10:46 AM (Wckf4)

206
Help me Mega Millions. You're my only hope . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2016 10:46 AM (p4UlV)

207 Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:40 AM (Yu4ah)

safety in numbers

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2016 10:46 AM (0O7c5)

208 182 If Biblical parables don't bother you, you are not reading them right.
Posted by: Roy at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (VndSC)
***
Lord, ain't that the truth, though.

Jewish, but raised in a Christian milleau, so I had the best and worst of both....

That Judean builder was one Hell of a man, no denying.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:46 AM (lutOX)

209 205 We never would have made it out of the neolithic era if our life expectancy was only 30 years.

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old time math was hard.

Posted by: Methuselah at May 13, 2016 10:46 AM (VndSC)

210 174 That kid looks just a little too happy about leading the calf to the slaughter.

Future Ted Bundy happy.

Posted by: An Poc Ar Buile at May 13, 2016 10:40 AM (XbIOG)

He's gonna get a steak dinner tonight after eating lentils and rice for 3 weeks straight! Who wouldn't be happy?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:47 AM (u0lmX)

211 204 i know that doesn't really help when we are grief striken for our loved one

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:45 AM (+wjl1)

I think it helps more than you think

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 10:47 AM (mEZce)

212 An apostle wrote that the number of our years is three score and ten, more if you are strong enough. So average is not the same as typical.

The "average" American has gotten shorter. That's not spinal compression, it's several million immigrants.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:47 AM (tIja6)

213
"If I Was a Carpenter, and You Were a Lady" is not a Caitlyn theme song.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2016 10:47 AM (p4UlV)

214 as a mother my childs return would be awesome , yes the squeaky wheel sucks up all family into their b.s still doesn't one want their child to 'get their shit together?"

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 10:48 AM (+wjl1)

215 208 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:46 AM (lutOX)

It is why if anything I have a purer hate religion wise of Xians who hate Jews more than even Jihadists.

Christianity literally could not exist without our Jewish older cousins and we have far more in common than different.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:48 AM (g8Hfr)

216 #1 Son - a lady-killer at 10, who loves him some Mexican girls - has autism and wants to be an electrician when he grows up.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May
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Heh. That fits into the IDF special unit for recruits with autism. They have them repairing electronics.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 10:49 AM (iQIUe)

217 "All Trump has to keep saying (yelling) is 'George, you used to be Bill
Clinton's chief of staff! You have no credibility at all! What the hell
are you doing posing as a journalist?!'"

Well, there's that, and there's also, still more damning, the fact that Staphylococcus has personally made large donations to the Clinton Crime Family Foundation. Much more recently than his Clinton administration job.

He's not along among the prominent journalistas in having done that without disclosing the connection, either. Judy Woodruff of PBS is another example.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 13, 2016 10:49 AM (noWW6)

218 God Blessed Texas, truly He did...
The Lt. Gov. just told Empress Barry that she could 'keep his thirty pieces of silver,' WRT the whole bathroom/shower thing.

-
Ironically, Governor Abbott stands tall and Obozo sits when he pees.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 10:49 AM (Nwg0u)

219
I prefer Old Testament God, with all the fire, and brimstone, and floods, and smiting.

Alex, I have to tell you, M and P have rented out your room.
But, there's still Ludwig Van!

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:49 AM (tIja6)

220 212 An apostle wrote that the number of our years is three score and ten, more if you are strong enough. So average is not the same as typical.

Methuselah made out like a bandit then.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (Yu4ah)

221 The "average" American has gotten shorter. That's not spinal compression, it's several million immigrants.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:47 AM (tIja6)
***
Que, senor? - Millions of Illiterate Turd-World Peasants, Natural Conservatives, One and All.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (lutOX)

222
I am not certain what Christian morality is anymore.

When you have "Clergy" openly advocating for Glee Marriage and Tranny Bathroom Joy in their religious finery.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:43 AM (g8Hfr)

Christian morality is defined by the NT and always will be, not by idiot fads of the moment.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (u0lmX)

223 I can't fucking believe what's happened to this country.

China's navy will be larger than ours in 4 years

Putin is threatening NATO's weapons shield

Economy still in the shitter after 7 years of "recovery"

$19,000,000,000,000 in debt and growing every day

===========

Relax, we've got the F-35!

Posted by: mrp at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (JBggj)

224 It's a great time to be alive.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 10:25 AM (ptqRm)

My kids go to single sex Catholic schools and we haven't heard much about the bathroom crap yet. I'm sure the one that preaches "social Justice" will have a stand on it. It's fun to watch my daughter, a freshman, school her friends on things like global warming. Oh, they are being forced to read Silent Spring now. She went to the teacher and said, "you know this has been debunked, right" Smart girl.

Posted by: Timon at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (396pH)

225 186--- I mean :The father tells the oldest son "Everything..."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (T/5A0)

226 99 This is my 2nd least favorite bible story. And yes, before you hate on me, I do understand the lesson that it's intended to teach. I just think it's a crummy lesson.

My number one least favorite is Abraham and Isaac. Read the whole bible and tell me that one doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. It's completely out of place. Every time I read it or hear it I can't help but think: The kind and loving God I was taught about would NEVER do an awful thing like this.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 13, 2016 10:21 AM (Zq8pH)

My least favorite story is the entire book of Job. God gets into a dick-measuring contest with Lucifer, and throws an innocent, obedient, godly man and his children to the wolves to show that His dick is bigger.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (0mRoj)

227 Christian morality is defined by the NT and always will be, not by idiot fads of the moment.
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Wolves gussied-up like sheep.

Posted by: Roy at May 13, 2016 10:51 AM (VndSC)

228 Ironically, Governor Abbott stands tall and Obozo sits when he pees.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 10:49 AM (Nwg0u)
***
Ain't it something, though?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:51 AM (lutOX)

229 I really don't care about a candidate's tax returns.

Posted by: brak at May 13, 2016 10:51 AM (MJuTN)

230 197 Posted by: naturalfake at May 13, 2016 10:43 AM (oU3Bb)

Look at how I took the lesson.

I was a hot mess as a teen, I joined the Army pulled the fade (especially from my maternal family) b/c I did not want to drag them into the hole with me.

Part of my inspiration was "the Prodigal Son" which says indirectly if you're going to be a hot mess leave the family to make its living and rot away from them.

I straightened out, and slowly drifted back into orbit.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:51 AM (g8Hfr)

231 I remember now!

Smiley calf-leading kid looks like evil baby from "The Passion of the Christ".

("The Pazzle of the Crizzle" to you hip-hop types.)

Posted by: An Poc Ar Buile at May 13, 2016 10:52 AM (XbIOG)

232 The "average" American has gotten shorter. That's not spinal compression, it's several million immigrants.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:47 AM (tIja6)

The tallest people on earth now are the Dutch.

But let's measure them again after a few more decades of Muzzie immigration.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:52 AM (u0lmX)

233 Greetings:

And speaking of Catholic schools, in spite of my 13 years in them (with no do-overs), I never got that Prodigal Son parable. Coming from an Oyrish heritage, it conflicted with our "never darken my door again" concept.

Posted by: 11B40 at May 13, 2016 10:52 AM (evgyj)

234 222 Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (u0lmX)

I agree, but Christ meets the Moneychangers comes to mind.

The temples are being defiled, and sadly in modern times in the Anglosphere they are being de-filled.

I don't think the two are unrelated.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:52 AM (g8Hfr)

235 The tallest people on earth now are the Dutch.

But let's measure them again after a few more decades of Muzzie immigration.

Let's not lose our heads over this!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 10:53 AM (Yu4ah)

236 My least favorite story is the entire book of Job. God gets into a dick-measuring contest with Lucifer, and throws an innocent, obedient, godly man and his children to the wolves to show that His dick is bigger.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (0mRoj)
***
I disagree. The Lord's sovereignty is the point of the whole tale. And Job has no grounds for complaint; nor do any of us, for that matter.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:53 AM (lutOX)

237 What's the guy in the background doing with that axe? If I was that cow I think that I'd make for the hills.

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 10:53 AM (oiNtH)

238 233 Posted by: 11B40 at May 13, 2016 10:52 AM (evgyj)

Heh, hey Sarge I'm pretty sure your folks beamed every time you graced their bow.

That said it is a hard lesson.

Hope you're well.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:54 AM (g8Hfr)

239
All Trump has to keep saying (yelling) is "George, you used to be Bill Clinton's chief of staff! You have no credibility at all! What the hell are you doing posing as a journalist?!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2016 10:40 AM (p4UlV)
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He did beat the spit out of George, in part by turning his questions back on him or giving direct and unwelcome answers, e.g. "I pay as few taxes as possible."

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 10:54 AM (pC96u)

240 My number one least favorite is Abraham and Isaac. Read the whole bible and tell me that one doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. It's completely out of place. Every time I read it or hear it I can't help but think: The kind and loving God I was taught about would NEVER do an awful thing like this.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 13, 2016 10:21 AM (Zq8pH)

The story of Abraham and Isaac sets the table for God sacrificing his own son later on.

Posted by: V the K at May 13, 2016 10:54 AM (O7MnT)

241 My least favorite story is the entire book of Job. God gets into a dick-measuring contest with Lucifer, and throws an innocent, obedient, godly man and his children to the wolves to show that His dick is bigger.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (0mRoj)
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Job does make out at the end though.

Posted by: Roy at May 13, 2016 10:54 AM (VndSC)

242 >.The "average" American has gotten shorter. That's not spinal compression, it's several million immigrants.

Well, if Michelle Obama's protein-pinching school lunch menus and the USDA's vegan diet recommendations remain in place, expect the trend to continue.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 10:54 AM (NOIQH)

243 Coming from an Oyrish heritage, it conflicted with our "never darken my door again" concept.
Posted by: 11B40 at May 13, 2016 10:52 AM (evgyj)

234 222 Posted by: Donna and V.
***
as my namesake says, there are subtleties to the Force....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:55 AM (lutOX)

244 236 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:53 AM (lutOX)

Job was a good man, and bore his scourging with as much dignity as he could....

God felt immense pride of craftsmanship in Job's decency and soul.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:55 AM (g8Hfr)

245 The kind and loving God I was taught about would NEVER do an awful thing like this.

I always say 'free will'. We have been blessed with intelligence and can make our own choices for good or for evil. The fault lies within ourselves, not with God.

Otherwise, we would be robots.

Posted by: Vugar Rasim at May 13, 2016 10:55 AM (YIr1F)

246 Christianity literally could not exist without our Jewish older cousins and we have far more in common than different.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:48 AM (g8Hfr)
^^^^THIS^^^^the liturgy of the Eucharist in EVERY Catholic Mass is LITERALLY re-enacting the Last Supper which was Jesus celebrating THE PASSOVER WITH HIS FRIENDS!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2016 10:56 AM (0O7c5)

247 212 An apostle wrote that the number of our years is three score and ten, more if you are strong enough. So average is not the same as typical.

The "average" American has gotten shorter. That's not spinal compression, it's several million immigrants.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 13, 2016 10:47 AM
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Yes. Ecclesiastes speaks of 70 years as the normal life span.

And.... not only have we gotten shorter but we have gotten fatter. How much of the "obesity epidemic" has to do with demographic change?
I dunno.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 10:56 AM (T/5A0)

248 Something to talk over with the preacher Sunday I guess.

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 10:44 AM (aQQbl)

Been in church my whole life and didn't here it mentioned the way I described until about a year ago. I had never thought much about the older son until the pastor talked about it. I learn something new all of the time.

BTW, Pilate's actions make a lot more sense if you realize he despised the Jews and did things just to annoy them.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 10:56 AM (n2GmV)

249
Job was a good man, and bore his scourging with as much dignity as he could....
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Christ-figure. Lots of that in the OT.

Posted by: Roy at May 13, 2016 10:57 AM (VndSC)

250 Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 10:55 AM (g8Hfr)
***
And well He might. Would that I were half the man he was.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:57 AM (lutOX)

251 236 My least favorite story is the entire book of Job. God gets into a dick-measuring contest with Lucifer, and throws an innocent, obedient, godly man and his children to the wolves to show that His dick is bigger.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (0mRoj)
***
I disagree. The Lord's sovereignty is the point of the whole tale. And Job has no grounds for complaint; nor do any of us, for that matter.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 10:53 AM (lutOX)

Sovereignty perhaps, but it sure makes God look like a real asshole. Sending the devil himself out to torture God's most faithful servant and murder his kids, just to prove Job will remain loyal? Seems pretty sick to me.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 10:57 AM (0mRoj)

252 despised the Jews and did things just to annoy them.
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some things never change...

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 10:58 AM (aQQbl)

253 Life expectancy is always driven by the number of children, early teens who die of some disease or another.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 10:42 AM (n2GmV)

major wars are another driver.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 13, 2016 10:58 AM (vvmPQ)

254 He did beat the spit out of George, in part by turning his questions back on him or giving direct and unwelcome answers, e.g. "I pay as few taxes as possible."

Posted by: iforgot at May 13,

He could have added "George, your tax question is weak. As a confidant of the Clintons, tell me all about their 'pay to play' schemes hiding under the title of a foundation".

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 10:58 AM (oiNtH)

255 Agent Cooper: The kind and loving God I was taught about would NEVER do an awful thing like this.

Ever since I was a yout' in the pews, I've found that the standard of Jesus' teachings about the nature of God was a good yardstick for measuring truth.

Never having been a Biblical Fundamentalist, I peruse scripture looking for truth, not presuming it's all factual.

Questioning not just the Absoluteness of the Bible and some Christians' interpretations thereof, I've even been told I can't be a Christian. By some standards, I'm not; fine; I leave whether that matters up to Christ.

But seems t'me like God is consistent but our view of God has grown, however gradually, over time.

Reminds me of what Mark Twain said about how, when he was a young fellow, his dad was the stupidest man alive, but when Twain grew up, it was amazing how much the old man had learned...!

Posted by: mindful webworker - paint my picket fence, for a nickle at May 13, 2016 10:58 AM (Y5LDn)

256
My least favorite story is the entire book of Job. God gets into a dick-measuring contest with Lucifer, and throws an innocent, obedient, godly man and his children to the wolves to show that His dick is bigger.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (0mRoj)
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I probably haven't read the Book of Job -- Catholics don't read the Bible much -- but I did learn the story of Abraham and Isaac and I can't believe the cruelty and insanity of that story. "Kill your son to prove that you love me." what the HELL? Abraham's got the knife at the kid's throat and God jumps out: "J/K!"

If killing your kid just to make a point is a legitimate demand for God, well, there are implications.

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 10:58 AM (pC96u)

257 The Academy didn't work out, Luke, but there were lots of gungan hookers 'n blow.

Posted by: Bo Skywalker at May 13, 2016 10:59 AM (gs8be)

258 "It's fun to watch my daughter, a freshman, school her friends on things
like global warming. Oh, they are being forced to read Silent Spring
now. She went to the teacher and said, 'you know this has been
debunked, right'. Smart girl."

The U.S. public school indoctrinational system (not educational, that mission was abandoned generations ago) does NOT take kindly to any pushback from students on subject matter. They can and will punish nonconformance. Your daughter is lining up to do herself a long-term disservice here.

Once she's out from under the thumb of the educrats and they no longer have the ability to influence her future prospects, then that's the time to become an open and vocal dissenter. Not before.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 13, 2016 10:59 AM (noWW6)

259
still doesn't one want their child to 'get their shit together?"

I think we are supposed to assume that the prodigal son has redeemed himself.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2016 10:59 AM (ODxAs)

260 259 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2016 10:59 AM (ODxAs)

The wayward cannot learn without pain.

The prodigal suffered his pain.

Pray God he served his house well after the re-embrace.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:00 AM (g8Hfr)

261 I am not certain what Christian morality is anymore.

When you have "Clergy" openly advocating for Glee Marriage and Tranny Bathroom Joy in their religious finery.

-
See Isaiah 5:20:

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:01 AM (Nwg0u)

262 Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 10:53 AM (oiNtH)

The father orders the "fattened calf" to be killed so everyone can celebrate with prime rib. Hence the axe.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 11:01 AM (u0lmX)

263 Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2016 10:56 AM (0O7c5)
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Jesus was a good Jew....perhaps the best.

my mother had an anuerism, and, as she was bleeding out, she says she saw a tall Sephard who held her hand and comforted her until the neighbors manged to get an ambulance.

She says he spoke english and yiddish, both, and that he laughed when she told him she was afraid of dying.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:01 AM (lutOX)

264
Economy still in the shitter after 7 years of "recovery"

This cannot be. Yesterday a guy on TV said we have full employment and no inflation. A guy on the radio said Obama created more jobs than Bush and Clinton created more jobs than anybody since FDR.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 13, 2016 11:02 AM (k4M/B)

265
He could have added "George, your tax question is weak. As a confidant of the Clintons, tell me all about their 'pay to play' schemes hiding under the title of a foundation".

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 10:58 AM (oiNtH)
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He did get in some licks on Hillary, and on George for hiding his support of them.

I hope he does more; turns every hostile question Hillary's way and exposes the double standards.

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:02 AM (pC96u)

266
Listen to normal Hitler.

http://goo.gl/yV4W4A

Heard this years ago in a documentary. Scarier than ranting raving Hitler. Here he comes across as quite sane and able to size up his enemies.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 11:03 AM (iQIUe)

267 261 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:01 AM (Nwg0u)

Correct, and I offer the following not in spite or mockery.

I respect inasmuch as we are able to see devotion through the ones and zeros Fenlon's piety above many here.

A good person like Fenlon being less bothered by the Secular Wishlist of Clergy on matters carnal into the faith troubles me.

I am left wondering if I am in fact the one mislabeling good and evil, but I do not think so.

A is A.

Good is Good and Good has been defined in His word.

God had some pretty strict rules on groinal joy action hour in my opinion.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:04 AM (g8Hfr)

268
242 >.The "average" American has gotten shorter. That's not spinal compression, it's several million immigrants.

Well, if Michelle Obama's protein-pinching school lunch menus and the USDA's vegan diet recommendations remain in place, expect the trend to continue.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 10:54 AM (NOIQH)

One of the more curious things that I read somewhere about WWII was that Japanese officers were found to be on average, shorter than their troops. It's thought that the Japanese military schools were partly to blame. They underfed the kids from a VERY young age as a way to make them tough, but that also stunted their growth. The rank and file Japanese conscript soldier didn't go through that period of near-starvation.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 13, 2016 11:05 AM (eDaPX)

269
The
decapitated head of deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes was
found impaled on a spike in the middle of the White House rose garden
onFriday morning.

Posted by: Satire from the Daily Caller at May 13, 2016 11:05 AM (e8kgV)

270 Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 10:57 AM (0mRoj)
***
His ways are not our ways, and who are we, who live but a day, to question the Everlasting?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:05 AM (lutOX)

271 226---My least favorite story is the entire book of Job. God gets into a dick-measuring contest with Lucifer, and throws an innocent, obedient, godly man and his children to the wolves to show that His dick is bigger.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 10:50 AM (0mRoj)
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It's one of my favorites.
The set-up of the contest between God and Lucifer is just a story, a framework for the message, so it doesn't bother me.
The question is "Why do bad things happen to good people?" Why does sweet St. Theresa of Lisieux die in her early twenties, wracked with pain, while old Mao, the butcher of millions, dies in the arms of his harem with a smile on his face?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:05 AM (T/5A0)

272 270 Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 10:57 AM (0mRoj)
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His ways are not our ways, and who are we, who live but a day, to question the Everlasting?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:05 AM (lutOX)

I'm familiar with that response. I just find it a very un satisfying one.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 11:06 AM (0mRoj)

273 Prayers for CBD and family

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 13, 2016 11:06 AM (uhftQ)

274
Once she's out from under the thumb of the educrats and they no longer have the ability to influence her future prospects, then that's the time to become an open and vocal dissenter. Not before.
Posted by: torquewrench

Surrender Dorothy!

Posted by: Wicked witch of the classroom at May 13, 2016 11:06 AM (k4M/B)

275
He did get in some licks on Hillary,

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:02 AM (pC96u)

Bastard. You did that on purpose.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 13, 2016 11:07 AM (eDaPX)

276 The set-up of the contest between God and Lucifer is just a story, a framework for the message, so it doesn't bother me.
The question is "Why do bad things happen to good people?" Why does sweet St. Theresa of Lisieux die in her early twenties, wracked with pain, while old Mao, the butcher of millions, dies in the arms of his harem with a smile on his face?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:05 AM (T/5A0)

I'll be honest that theodicy has been a big problem for me. Watching God punish the good and prosper the wicked has confounded and pissed me off for a good long time.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 11:08 AM (0mRoj)

277 My least favorite story is the entire book of Job.

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I'm going to anger some people, I know, but I see the Book of Job as metaphorical and not as the literal telling of a true story. We are all Job.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:09 AM (Nwg0u)

278 "One of the more curious things that I read somewhere about WWII was that Japanese officers were found to be on average, shorter than their troops. It's thought that the Japanese military schools were partly to blame. They underfed the kids from a VERY young age as a way to make them tough, but that also stunted their growth."

I suspect they were copying the Spartan agoge.

Posted by: Harun at May 13, 2016 11:09 AM (UBBWX)

279 I'm familiar with that response. I just find it a very un satisfying one.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 11:06 AM (0mRoj)
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That's how it's supposed to be. Nobody ever promised us comfort.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:10 AM (lutOX)

280 271 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:05 AM (T/5A0)

If I might mix metaphors here, and as Ace and I have discussed at length....

We are defacto God's experiment and provative on morality.

We cannot prove our moral and spiritual worthiness without adversity and scourging.

We are made, literally to suffer.

That is not God's lack of mercy or love it is the nature of the game.

We walk this mortal coil being tested and testing others and we are judged and embraced or found wanting.

There is no mercy without accepting that the only path to grace is following as best we are able in His son's footsteps.

We are all doomed to fail, and I truly believe God grades those who *beg* forgiveness for our stumbles on a fairly steep curve.

That curve exists because we are an interlocking test bed.

It's how I made my peace with the equation anyway.

God loves, man kills.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:10 AM (g8Hfr)

281 I've experienced the prodigal son story myself. Just because there's celebration initially doesn't mean the son doesn't have to face the consequences of his past. There's a lot of difficult times and amends the son will have to deal with ahead.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 11:10 AM (Fmupd)

282 theodicy

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I learned a new word today.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:11 AM (Nwg0u)

283 Book of Job is a theological dialectic. Similar to the Bhagavad Gita in that the story is just a frame for allowing the characters to discuss ideas and convey doctrine.

The Zoroastrian influence of an "equal" God and Devil is in evidence in the framing scene, but past that, the real meat is all the friends of Job bringing to him their ideas of why he's fallen on hard times, and how he refutes each bad idea.

It's most interesting in that he really doesn't find a solid answer - and in terms of God & Devil just playing dice with his life, no wonder - there isn't one. But it's valuable for the parsing of what are the wrong ideas.

But what do I know? I'm just some Moron on the interwebz.

Posted by: mindful webworker - flip you for it at May 13, 2016 11:11 AM (Y5LDn)

284 And since we are discussing religion- clockmaker God.
Explains much.

Posted by: Tilikum AKAW at May 13, 2016 11:11 AM (uhftQ)

285
His ways are not our ways, and who are we, who live but a day, to question the Everlasting?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:05 AM (lutOX)
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We're everlasting too, aren't we? And we're made in his image and likeness, right? And he is in each of us, right?

Meh, I'm not going to argue further. The defenses of a creature who has committed deeds that would be considered monstrous if committed by a human are unacceptable to me. The logic is always circular: It's okay for God to do it because everything God does is okay.

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:11 AM (pC96u)

286 While the sensation is still fresh in this guy's mind, we should ask him about what it feels like to be a scapegoat:

https://tinyurl.com/h7dkgce

Navy officer fired over capture and humiliation of sailors.

Look - I think it's good that this guy gets sacked. My point is, he isn't the cause. He is only the symptom.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 13, 2016 11:11 AM (4ng05)

287 Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine

.....how wonderfully comforting that your mom had such an experience....thank you for sharing it, the thought of it is so overwhelmingly joyful i'm weeping!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2016 11:12 AM (0O7c5)

288 Watching God punish the good and prosper the wicked has confounded and pissed me off for a good long time.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 11:08 AM (0mRoj)
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The Sages teach we should be grateful He Who Is has such forbearance. Were his Justice ever to overcome His Mercy, we'd all be doomed.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:12 AM (lutOX)

289 279 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:10 AM (lutOX)

Amen.

Less wordy than my explanation but the same.

God promises us toil and pain and then mercy.

Satan rebelled because God loves the songs and praises from man more than angel.

"Why do you love them more than us we are perfect and closer to you?"

//Lucifer

"Because that man chooses to sing, you were made to."

//God

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:12 AM (g8Hfr)

290 Where do the stats come from regarding life expectancy in ancient times? I know we have some scant records, and obviously we've disinterred countless bodies for archaeological research over the years, but do we have enough data to reach a conclusion? How is it calculated? What is the number for, say, the year 0? Can we even make an educated guess?

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 13, 2016 11:13 AM (2cS/G)

291 I'll be honest that theodicy has been a big problem for me. Watching God punish the good and prosper the wicked has confounded and pissed me off for a good long time.
Posted by: Insomniac
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Sets the stage for lapse of faith for many, I'm sure.
I cannot be alone...

Posted by: Chi at May 13, 2016 11:13 AM (dJIuC)

292 "Parable of the Prodigal Son"

I've always took it as a warning. God helps everyone. Even people whose behavior you despise.

I've always took it as a guide. Take some of your reward now. (Parable of the good? son.) Don't save it all for heaven.

Also wealth from God is a gift. You can't work your way into heaven.

Ask for more if you squander what God gives you.

The above isn't what they taught me in Sunday School.

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 11:13 AM (CRXed)

293 And again, Margarita DeVille #271 and Anonosaurus Wrecks #277 sorta made my #283 seem verbose.

Great thoughts with but a single mind?

Posted by: mindful webworker - simple mind at May 13, 2016 11:14 AM (Y5LDn)

294 Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 13, 2016 11:12 AM (0O7c5)
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Yeah, but she won't shut up about it. :-)

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:14 AM (lutOX)

295 >>Navy officer fired over capture and humiliation of sailors.

Yeah, because I'm sure there was no pressure from Obama's team to not fight back.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 11:14 AM (NOIQH)

296 The
decapitated head of deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes was
found impaled on a spike in the middle of the White House rose garden
onFriday morning.

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It's been ruled a suicide.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:15 AM (Nwg0u)

297 I was reading a story about one of Billy Jeff's squeezes by the name of Julie Tauber McMahon, a wealthy blonde divorcee. The Secret Service has nicknamed her "The Energizer" like the bunny. They time her visits to Bill around his schedule when he travels or when Hillary isn't in town. Of course, the bent one funneled money from the "foundation" to her company which runs some green energy crap. Pay to play indeed.

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 11:15 AM (oiNtH)

298
He did get in some licks on Hillary,

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:02 AM (pC96u)

Bastard. You did that on purpose.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 13, 2016 11:07 AM (eDaPX)
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haha, sorry! Really, I think of a lickin' as something else, but I should be more sensitive. Hey, there was a story here just yesterday in which "Hillary" and "clamp down" were used in the same sentence. Okay, I'll stop.

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:15 AM (pC96u)

299 I've been holding my bladder all morning trying to figure out where to piss.

I'm gonna get uromyceticis poisoning over this nonsense.

Posted by: Jaws at May 13, 2016 11:15 AM (oOw3I)

300 insomniac, jobs wrestling perhaps was the story of those even walking piously can burn out in reality testing, but he even though started failing he kept trying to redeem himself with G-d?

its a hard one, i also have issues with the story and the lesson

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 11:15 AM (+wjl1)

301 Had never really thought about it this way, but my eldest son has been trying out for the part of the prodigal. Let's just say he has "impulse control issues".

Came very close to going to prison, but I spent a ton of money on lawyers, pretty much lost my job taking him back and forth to court and attorney meetings etc. and despite all that he has up and taken off and (so far) returned weeks or months later. Yet despite what he has put his mother and I through we always welcome him back and are happy to see him alive and (usually) well. But we no longer trust or rely on him in any meaningful way. At least not yet, I still have hope.

I take great pains to make sure his younger brother gets as much of my time and attention as he wants.

Posted by: random lurker at May 13, 2016 11:16 AM (+tRIN)

302 "While the sensation is still fresh in this guy's mind, we should ask him about what it feels like to be a scapegoat: "

I had mentioned this on the ONT.

With the very serious question of, at what point did this Administration change the narrative to "Capture" instead of the previous public position of "Rescue and assistance"?

I remember being told this from the podium by an Official.
That we were grateful for Irans assistance in rescuing these disabled small craft and their crew.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 11:16 AM (ptqRm)

303
The Sages teach we should be grateful He Who Is has such forbearance. Were his Justice ever to overcome His Mercy, we'd all be doomed.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:12 AM (lutOX)
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That is not a description of perfection. I said I'd stop arguing, but I can't resist.

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:16 AM (pC96u)

304 276--- I'll be honest that theodicy has been a big problem for me. Watching God punish the good and prosper the wicked has confounded and pissed me off for a good long time.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 11:08 AM (0mRoj)
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Like Job, we do have a right to be angry about this!

One of the things that sets the Bible above all other religious texts is this acceptance of our struggling with God. It's more than accepted, it's embraced. The very word "Israel," IIRC, means "to wrestle with God."

Biblical figures are always questioning and second-guessing God, to one degree or another. From Job to Jonah to confused Peter to doubting Thomas --- always, always struggling.
I relate to that.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:17 AM (T/5A0)

305 301 Posted by: random lurker at May 13, 2016 11:16 AM (+tRIN)

Keep fighting the good fight.

My son is 16, I pray he is a better young man than I was.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:17 AM (g8Hfr)

306 Josh Earnest was asked about the Ben Rhodes matter and a Congressional request to have Rhodes appear for a Congressional committee at the press briefing yesterday.

Josh Earnest leads off with this, for example: "Congressman Ken Buck of Colorado promised in August 2015 that Iran would get $100 billion to $200 billion in sanctions relief. Congressman Buck is either wrong or lying and he can discuss that with the committee."

Washington Post:
Iran announced Monday two financial milestones as the country emerges from under sanctions, saying it has access to more than $100 billion in previously frozen assets and has rejoined an important international banking network.

Who is lying ?

Posted by: unlawful foreign policy analyst at May 13, 2016 11:17 AM (e8kgV)

307 I remember being told this from the podium by an Official.
That we were grateful for Irans assistance in rescuing these disabled small craft and their crew.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

I seem to remember that the idiot savant Kerry even thanked them. Jesus take the wheel.

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 11:18 AM (oiNtH)

308 >>Of course, the bent one funneled money from the "foundation" to her
company which runs some green energy crap. Pay to play indeed.

Ugh, OFCOURSE BJ has found a way to get her that sweet, sweet foundation cash. It is the Clinton's personal piggy bank.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 11:18 AM (NOIQH)

309 That odor in the theater may not be popcorn!
http://tinyurl.com/zw5tqyk
From ArsTechnica.

Posted by: goon at May 13, 2016 11:18 AM (WCaSy)

310 You know that pussy will never agree to this though.

Milo Yiannopoulos Challenges Mark Zuckerberg to Public Debate on Conservative Censorship Allegations

http://tinyurl.com/zzx2o9s

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 11:19 AM (mEZce)

311 276
The question is "Why do bad things happen to good people?" Why does sweet St. Theresa of Lisieux die in her early twenties, wracked with pain, while old Mao, the butcher of millions, dies in the arms of his harem with a smile on his face?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:05 AM (T/5A0)

If you believe in the Christian afterlife, St. Theresa and Mao are in very different places right now.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 11:19 AM (u0lmX)

312 Whilst thou canst not always obtain what thou desirest,
whilst thou canst not always obtain what thou desirest,
if thou triest sometimes,
thou mightest find,
thou gettest what thou needest.
Yea, verily.

Posted by: mindful webworker - Book of Stones at May 13, 2016 11:19 AM (Y5LDn)

313 Yep, my mother, Polish Jewish matron, saw Joshua ha Nagid, as she calls him, and was never the same.

Maybe we each of us need such an experience. I don;t know....

I'm a fool and a sinner and worse, but, for all that, I'm made in His image and likeness, and this is some comfort in my darkest hours.

And so are we all made.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:19 AM (lutOX)

314 "I seem to remember that the idiot savant Kerry even thanked them. Jesus take the wheel."

It would be nice if some organization took that and ran with it....yes?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 11:19 AM (ptqRm)

315 Nobody ever promised us comfort.

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I never promised you a rose garden.

- The Book of Lynn Anderson

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:20 AM (Nwg0u)

316 "Watching God punish the good and prosper the wicked"

In the long run you get what you pray for. Bill and Hillary Clinton are the end results of their prayers.

I have to think that the good people who are being punished are praying for others.

A prayer that I recommend is, "Please let me always desire what I pray for."

That hot 19 year old is coming on to you and all you can think of is: old enough to be my grandchild, simperingly childish, would make me look and act like an old fool.

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 11:20 AM (CRXed)

317
310 You know that pussy will never agree to this though.

Milo Yiannopoulos Challenges Mark Zuckerberg to Public Debate on Conservative Censorship Allegations

http://tinyurl.com/zzx2o9s

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 11:19 AM (mEZce)

Of course not.

I wouldn't want to debate Milo either...

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 11:20 AM (u0lmX)

318 Here is how I look at things. If you are a believer then life here on earth is just a blink of the eye . Hardships and injustices in that blink are insignificant.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 11:20 AM (8cSVB)

319 288 Watching God punish the good and prosper the wicked has confounded and pissed me off for a good long time.

----

It is that he allows it, rather than he causes it. At least in this world.

I've tried to imagine a world in which we all wear a shock collar and are punished the moment we sin. A world of trained dogs who all hate God.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:21 AM (oGRue)

320 I'm about to throw a fat, mischievious monkey in the wrench of this religion discussion. Some will find it comforting, some will consider it blasphemous, and some will find it disturbing.

Here it is:

G-d does magic.

You can draw any kind of conclusions from that that you want, but what could possibly be a greater feat of magic than speaking the universe into existence.

I thought you would appreciate that.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 13, 2016 11:21 AM (4ng05)

321 If you believe in the Christian afterlife, St. Theresa and Mao are in very different places right now.

Unless Mao repented on his deathbed. Then all is forgiven.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (Yu4ah)

322 "Milo Yiannopoulos Challenges Mark Zuckerberg to Public Debate on Conservative Censorship Allegations "

Milo is rapidly becoming a favorite person for me.

Can you image Gabe and Milo on an AoSHQ podcast?

Yes, I know Gabe isn't doing them now, but I can dream, right?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (ptqRm)

323 Whilst thou canst not always obtain what thou desirest,
whilst thou canst not always obtain what thou desirest,
if thou triest sometimes,
thou mightest find,
thou gettest what thou needest.
Yea, verily.

-
Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (Nwg0u)

324 Best asteroid doomsday article of the day.
http://tinyurl.com/jmb6h5j
From BBC future section.

Posted by: goon at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (WCaSy)

325
Here's a dose of theodicy:

All you people who love your wayward kids, those kids will live on after your wise words and forgiving hearts are gone. Who knows, they may commit the ultimate sin and die unrepentant? It's not impossible -- and if it doesn't happen in your, it could happen in someone else's and doubtless has.

So the God-obeying, God-loving parent dies and goes to "heaven" knowing that their beloved kid is suffering horribly for all eternity. Was that what God promised his faithful?

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (pC96u)

326 If you believe in the Christian afterlife, St. Theresa and Mao are in very different places right now.

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Unless Mao repented right at the end. We can not be certain of who is in Hell. Though that's the smart way to wager.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:23 AM (oGRue)

327 Japan 1908 swimsuit edition

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hgq4mew

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 13, 2016 11:23 AM (oEYRe)

328 >>I remember being told this from the podium by an Official.

That we were grateful for Irans assistance in rescuing these disabled small craft and their crew.

Yep, it was so dang obvious that Kerry and Obama would do or say anything to not have an international incident with Iran, because they had so completely lied to us about the deal and Iran's motives toward the US.

Iran aggression against US military did *not* fit the super-fantastical Ben Rhodes-Obama mind-meld narrative, and the narrative must live even when it means Americans must die to save it. Just ask Amb. Stevens. Or...not.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 11:23 AM (NOIQH)

329 i guess it's in what we are here for. what is our life about?
if we are to believe our life is a struggle between our lower and higher selves things pretty much work out in my head why we're struggling in life.
i agree with the above poster about why evil ones seem to persist and where is the free will in being a victim though.

Posted by: willow at May 13, 2016 11:23 AM (+wjl1)

330 That is not a description of perfection. I said I'd stop arguing, but I can't resist.
Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:16 AM (pC96u)
***
No, I think somehow the Lord wants us to argue with Him. Abraham, whom God called his friend, argued with the Almighty, after all.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:23 AM (lutOX)

331 I'll be honest that theodicy has been a big problem for me. Watching God punish the good and prosper the wicked has confounded and pissed me off for a good long time.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 11:08 AM (0mRoj)

The point of the Bible is that since the Fall, no one is righteous. You can't be without Christ. One sin blemishes you to keep you from God. It only takes one. Show me one human being who has never sinned. There aren't any. We all deserve damnation.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 11:23 AM (n2GmV)

332 321 Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (Yu4ah)

and now you know why I think Xianity lost a lot when we shed Purgatory doctrine.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:24 AM (g8Hfr)

333 Thank you Sven.

Posted by: random lurker at May 13, 2016 11:24 AM (+tRIN)

334 One of the things that sets the Bible above all other religious texts is this acceptance of our struggling with God. It's more than accepted, it's embraced. The very word "Israel," IIRC, means "to wrestle with God."

Biblical figures are always questioning and second-guessing God, to one degree or another. From Job to Jonah to confused Peter to doubting Thomas --- always, always struggling.
I relate to that.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:17 AM (T/5A0)

---------------

God loves to hear our questions about him. And if we ask from our heart, he'll answer every one of them, in his way and in his time.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 11:25 AM (Fmupd)

335 So obama is sending out a "directive" that all public schools must let transwhatevers use the bathroom/ locker room of the sex they identify with... What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: donna at May 13, 2016 11:25 AM (O2RFr)

336 Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (Nwg0u)
***
Woo-woo!

my kids love that song!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:25 AM (lutOX)

337 311---If you believe in the Christian afterlife, St. Theresa and Mao are in very different places right now.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 11:19 AM (u0lmX)
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Yes.
It is possible to believe in a Supreme Creator without believing in an after-life, but I do not think it is possible to believe in a GOOD God without believing in one.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:26 AM (T/5A0)

338 Max Lucado's "In the Grip of Grace" also has a similar story about 4 wayward sons who sinned against their father and left. One continued to indulge, another was going to report to the father about the sins of the other, one tried an impossible task to "earn" his father's grace and the fourth son begged for forgiveness and he was recused from the fifth son (the eldest) whom their father sent sent to help them back home.

Posted by: auscolpyr at May 13, 2016 11:26 AM (suO/a)

339 Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (Nwg0u)

Pleased to meet you.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 13, 2016 11:26 AM (4ng05)

340 Draw a big circle . That circle represents all that is known and can be known. Now section off that part of the circle that represents what you think you know. My point is don't worry about questions you can't answer.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 11:26 AM (8cSVB)

341 Here's one of my religious brain teasers.

God exists outside of time. All moments are NOW to God. So 100 years from now, when i'm dead is now to God. So to God, am i already with him in Heaven? And also not with him in Heaven?

weirder than quantum mechanics.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:26 AM (oGRue)

342 "I seem to remember that the idiot savant Kerry even thanked them. Jesus take the wheel."

-
I was against giving nuclear weapons to Iran before I was for it.

- I Ain't Nothing But a Hound Dog-Horseface Kerry

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (Nwg0u)

343 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPen1jQrlhU

When God Ran:

The day I left home
I knew I'd broken His heart.
And I wondered then, if things could ever be the same.
Then one night
I remembered His love for me.
And down that dusty road ahead I could see -
It was the only time,
It was the only time I ever saw Him run.

And then

He ran to me,
He took me in His arms,
Held my head to His chest,
Said "My son's come home again!"
Lifted my face,
Wiped the tears from my eyes,
With forgiveness in His voice He said
"Son - do you know I still love You?"

Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (dFi94)

344 That hot 19 year old is coming on to you and all you can think of is: old enough to be my grandchild, simperingly childish, would make me look and act like an old fool.

Hell, all I want is gainful employment.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (0mRoj)

345 333 Posted by: random lurker at May 13, 2016 11:24 AM (+tRIN)

For?

No sarcasm.

If I have aided you I am glad for your thanks.

I am always happy to chat on faith, and am always happy to lend an ear.

Hope you're well.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (g8Hfr)

346 "Navy officer fired over capture and humiliation of sailors."

But he was promoted to the position after the incident. The guy in charge had already left.

Makes me think this was a psych-op A/B test.

See if they could get some public support for what-ever they are trying to do. Does anyone know?

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (CRXed)

347 Well the end is nigh.... Baby Metal and Alice Cooper in the same picture.

https://twitter.com/BABYMETAL_JAPAN/status/729486616260136960/photo/1

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (oEYRe)

348
Show me one human being who has never sinned.
----------------------

You don't believe in the Immaculate Conception?

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (pC96u)

349 So obama is sending out a "directive" that all public schools must let transwhatevers use the bathroom/ locker room of the sex they identify with... What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: donna

I wonder what they do at Sidwell Friends? Do his daughters have to share a bathroom with an adult male?

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 11:28 AM (oiNtH)

350 So the God-obeying, God-loving parent dies and goes to "heaven" knowing that their beloved kid is suffering horribly for all eternity. Was that what God promised his faithful?

Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (pC96u)

The child has free will, does he not? If you don't go to hell because of the sins of the father, you won't get to heaven because of your father's faith.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 11:28 AM (u0lmX)

351
I thought Bill was messing with that other rich bimbo, daughter of a supermarket billionaire and divorced from a Nixon grandson? She's got porn size implants and never covers them up. I think it is a mental illness.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 11:28 AM (iQIUe)

352 I wonder what they do at Sidwell Friends? Do his daughters have to share a bathroom with an adult male?

Or a locker room?

Posted by: donna at May 13, 2016 11:28 AM (O2RFr)

353 It is possible to believe in a Supreme Creator without believing in an
after-life, but I do not think it is possible to believe in a GOOD God
without believing in one.

======================================

Or a JUST God.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2016 11:28 AM (dFi94)

354 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:26 AM (T/5A0)

Sauccedes

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 11:29 AM (8cSVB)

355 Milo is rapidly becoming a favorite person for me.

Can you image Gabe and Milo on an AoSHQ podcast?

Yes, I know Gabe isn't doing them now, but I can dream, right?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (ptqRm)

Compared to past tour stops at schools such as Rutgers and Emory where the crowd was very vocal, the Eugene crowd stayed silent while students absorbed his responses. One Oregon student even called Yiannopoulos' talk 'reasonable' and insightful even though Yiannopoulos made it clear that being reasonable is not his goal when answering questions.

'I fucked up. Reasonable? Jesus.'

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 11:29 AM (YqcVw)

356 I wonder what they do at Sidwell Friends? Do his daughters have to share a bathroom with an adult male?

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 11:28 AM (oiNtH)

Of course not, silly. Rules are for the little people.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 11:29 AM (u0lmX)

357 You don't believe in the Immaculate Conception?
Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (pC96u)

Jesus is man and God. So, other than Jesus, who?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 11:29 AM (n2GmV)

358 Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:26 AM (oGRue)
***
yep, the Almighty's cognition has been - and always will be - beyond our ken.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:29 AM (lutOX)

359 353 It is possible to believe in a Supreme Creator without believing in an
after-life, but I do not think it is possible to believe in a GOOD God
without believing in one.

I've always believed in God but lately My faith has been sorely tested...

Posted by: donna at May 13, 2016 11:30 AM (O2RFr)

360 341 Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:26 AM (oGRue)

You figure that's the *test* though no and "free will"....

God grants us a span and we are told "you all have failed"....

how many embrace the "cheat sheetr" of His son?

God probably knows the answer but values the toil anyway.

He is literally beyond our ability to understand.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:30 AM (g8Hfr)

361 Is it just me or is that dude with the ax really creepy?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2016 11:30 AM (r65B3)

362 Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (pC96u)

Your angry atheism is showing. At least it seems that way.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 13, 2016 11:30 AM (8cSVB)

363 357 You don't believe in the Immaculate Conception?
Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (pC96u)

4th Glorious Mystery

Posted by: auscolpyr at May 13, 2016 11:31 AM (suO/a)

364 Show me one human being who has never sinned.

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i'm holding out hope for cake girl...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:31 AM (oGRue)

365 Traveling like a maniac but wanted to de-lurk to say:

Love. This. Post.

Posted by: Blacksheep at May 13, 2016 11:31 AM (jpqn+)

366
Tonight, I win MegaMillions, $63,84,800 after federal taxes, and take my rightful place among the 1 percenters.

Considering what these social media tycoons make, $63 mil is a pittance.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 11:32 AM (iQIUe)

367 359 Posted by: donna at May 13, 2016 11:30 AM (O2RFr)

That's the point Donna.

If your faith is untested by adversity you're either not doing it right or are mindless in your devotion.

I am not certain if we take the story of the fall of Lucifer to heart that God values mindless devotion as much as tested devotion.

Find strength, and rise to the tests sister.

He knows His own.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:32 AM (g8Hfr)

368 357 You don't believe in the Immaculate Conception?
Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:27 AM (pC96u)

Jesus is man and God. So, other than Jesus, who?

----
the immaculate conception was Mary

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (oGRue)

369 Is it just me or is that dude with the ax really creepy?

Posted by: Diogenes

No. I pointed it out up above. I noted that the calf and the kid should get the hell away from him as I'm not sure which one he intends to use the ax on.

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (oiNtH)

370 325
Here's a dose of theodicy:

All you people who love your wayward kids, those kids will live on after your wise words and forgiving hearts are gone. Who knows, they may commit the ultimate sin and die unrepentant? It's not impossible -- and if it doesn't happen in your, it could happen in someone else's and doubtless has.

So the God-obeying, God-loving parent dies and goes to "heaven" knowing that their beloved kid is suffering horribly for all eternity. Was that what God promised his faithful?
Posted by: iforgot at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (pC96u)

---------------------

God has given all of us the dignity of choice. Good parents will eventually give their children that gift also. Then it's up to each what paths they'll follow.

Those bums at the bus station? Well, so far, they've chosen......poorly.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (Fmupd)

371 The lunch spot for Morons:

http://iotwreport.com/buenos-dias/

Posted by: mindful webworker - OT: off-topic or Old Testament? at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (Y5LDn)

372 Stopped raining, so I'm headed to the dog park. On the way home I am going to stop at the brand new Publix grocery store in town. I've been told that their prepared foods are excellent, hope I'm not disappointed.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (2cS/G)

373 352 I wonder what they do at Sidwell Friends? Do his daughters have to share a bathroom with an adult male?

Or a locker room?
Posted by: donna at May 13, 2016 11:28 AM (O2RFr)

I don't what this is since there is no information on the page.

Home > Students > Student Clubs & Activities > There's a Boy in the Girls' Bathroom

http://tinyurl.com/he68op5

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (mEZce)

374 336 Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (Nwg0u)

The nature of your game is confusing me.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (0mRoj)

375
"G-d does magic."

Otherwise known as the mundane you don't understand yet. At least, it's mundane to God.

"Oh look, the sun went dark. We're all gonna die!"

You gotta love the Creator once you ponder the creativity. Could you imagine this universe and all in it, starting from nothing?

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (hTqVx)

376 The guy with the axe is Hairy Reed's ancestor?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (oEYRe)

377 The Iron Crucible

A Holy Land Moments devotional:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/j47wg3z

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2016 11:34 AM (w4NZ8)

378 So obama is sending out a "directive" that all public schools must let transwhatevers use the bathroom/ locker room of the sex they identify with... What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: donna

Is there ANYBODY in this country who will stand up and say enough is ENOUGH???

Is there any school administrator who has the guts to stand up and say "fuck you, keep your damn money, we're not doing it?"

If nobody can stand up to this, ain't nobody gonna be able to stand up when real shit hits the fan.

And besides, it's not "their" (i.e. Feds) money to withhold anyways.

Tired of these bastards. Time for war.

Posted by: Blano at May 13, 2016 11:34 AM (3eoPa)

379 My belief is that we punish ourselves. Bad behavior is its own punishment. I'm praying that industry starts back up in the US and we let the rest of the world go its own wicked way.

My understanding is that Mao ended up a VD stricken nut case. Bill Clinton is not anything that I consider a reward. Neither Clinton looks rewarded.

Donald Trump looks like he is having a good time. :-)

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 11:34 AM (CRXed)

380 "I wonder what they do at Sidwell Friends? Do his daughters have to share a bathroom with an adult male?"

Did you se the mention that the position effected public schools?

So......no, it will not effect Sidwell Friends in any manner.

Sort of exactly like Mooch's school lunch guidelines, while starving growing High School students will not effect their daughter one little bit.

Funny how that works out, right?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 11:34 AM (ptqRm)

381 359 353 It is possible to believe in a Supreme Creator without believing in an after-life, but I do not think it is possible to believe in a GOOD God without believing in one.
________________

It is possible to believe the Supreme Court without believing in an afterlife, but it should be mandatory to believe the Supreme Court is a GREAT court. The best ever.

Posted by: John Roberts at May 13, 2016 11:35 AM (Kl1Y6)

382 iforgot,

My son's afterlife is his to choose not mine

I can shepherd him towards an outcome but I can't choose his outcome....

it all goes back to "free will"...

it is also why I hate the left and their mad dash to program people.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:35 AM (g8Hfr)

383 Mushroom Soup
Cobb Salad
Quinoa a la Ranchero Salad
All Natural Burgers
Vegetarian Black Bean Burgers
Steamed Fresh Broccoli
Baked Sweet Potato Fries
Melon

What are your children allowed to eat today?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 11:36 AM (mEZce)

384 380 "I wonder what they do at Sidwell Friends? Do his daughters have to share a bathroom with an adult male?"

---

And a Secret Service detail...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:36 AM (oGRue)

385

4th Glorious Mystery
Posted by: auscolpyr at May 13, 2016 11:31 AM (suO/a)

------------

That's what I told my girlfriends parents.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 11:36 AM (Fmupd)

386 380 "I wonder what they do at Sidwell Friends? Do his daughters have to share a bathroom with an adult male?"

Did you se the mention that the position effected public schools?

So......no, it will not effect Sidwell Friends in any manner.

Someone should bring that fact up and ask obama why Sidwell Friends shouldn't embrace the transgenders...

Posted by: donna at May 13, 2016 11:36 AM (O2RFr)

387 The Left wants to 'liberate' everyone from thinking and get them to just accept being pigeon-holed little drones.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 13, 2016 11:36 AM (oEYRe)

388 >>Is there any school administrator who has the guts to stand up and say "fuck you, keep your damn money, we're not doing it?"

Well, the governor of NC is saying it in the face of Obama's/the DoJ's threat to stop funding state universities. Think he knows that folding now would set a very bad precedent for other states, other public schools...

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 11:36 AM (NOIQH)

389 330 I think somehow the Lord wants us to argue with Him. Abraham, whom God called his friend, argued with the Almighty, after all.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:23 AM
-------------------------
Amen.
The whole lot of them argue over one thing or another!

Hey, God, do you really want to destroy this whole city?
What if I find ten righteous peeps there? You sure you wanna do this?

Hey, God. You really want to hire me for this job? You hear me talk? A little stutter there, y'no. Maybe someone else would be better.

Hey, God stop with the phone calls, OK? Hell no, I'm not going to Nineveh. Let them stew in their own sin and stupidity.

Resurrected? Sure, right. Proof, please! Lemme see the scars!

And on and on.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:37 AM (T/5A0)

390 387 Posted by: Anna Puma at May 13, 2016 11:36 AM (oEYRe)

There is no happy ending to the path they are on.

Someone is going to get crushed, and I fear it is us.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 13, 2016 11:37 AM (g8Hfr)

391 383 Mushroom Soup
Cobb Salad
Quinoa a la Ranchero Salad
All Natural Burgers
Vegetarian Black Bean Burgers
Steamed Fresh Broccoli
Baked Sweet Potato Fries
Melon

What are your children allowed to eat today?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 11:36 AM (mEZce)

The Mooch menu would have it at 1/4 cup quinoa, 1/8 cup raw jicama with 1 tsp fat-free dressing, and four ounces water collected from the rain barrel.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 11:37 AM (0mRoj)

392 You gotta love the Creator once you ponder the
creativity. Could you imagine this universe and all in it, starting from
nothing?

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (hTqVx)
=============================================

I think lots of stuff God does is just for fun. All those galaxies we can't see? All those stars we don't see shining? All the critters on the bottom of the ocean floor? Fun. Personal enjoyment. If you're creative, you know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2016 11:38 AM (dFi94)

393 Is there ANYBODY in this country who will stand up and say enough is ENOUGH???

Is there any school administrator who has the guts to stand up and say "fuck you, keep your damn money, we're not doing it?"

If nobody can stand up to this, ain't nobody gonna be able to stand up when real shit hits the fan.

And besides, it's not "their" (i.e. Feds) money to withhold anyways.

Tired of these bastards. Time for war.
Posted by: Blano at May 13, 2016 11:34 AM (3eoPa)

Abbot told the feds to go fuck themselves.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 11:38 AM (mEZce)

394 The bathroom thing is another step in diminishing the dignity of the individual. You must evolve into the collective hive, like a herd of cows pooping in the fields, unconcerned.

Eventually there will be no stalls in the bathrooms.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 11:38 AM (hTqVx)

395 "For God all things are possible."

If your rational that means a multiverse.

I would show you the proof of this but the margins of this blog are too small. :-)

(Fermat's Last Theorem joke)

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 11:38 AM (CRXed)

396 my kids love that song!

-
Lo these many years ago when I was a student in the Land of the Frog-Eaters, my roommate had a French edition of the album with that song on it. The French album cover had a translation of the lyrics. The lines

I rode a tank
Held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

Was translated as

I was a German general during the Second World War.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:38 AM (Nwg0u)

397 the immaculate conception was Mary
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (oGRue)

Ah, not Catholic and got that mixed up. No, I don't believe that and it isn't in the Bible. It's added on extrapolation which I don't find convincing at all. If Mary had to be without sin to carry Christ then why not Mary's mother all the way back to Eve? If Mary could be without sin in the womb of a sinful mother, then why is God unable to conceive Jesus in the womb of a sinful Mary?

I've always found Catholic theology on Mary to be troubling in a lot of ways.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 11:38 AM (n2GmV)

398 >>Is there any school administrator who has the guts to stand up and say "fuck you, keep your damn money, we're not doing it?"

Well, the governor of NC is saying it in the face of Obama's/the DoJ's threat to stop funding state universities. Think he knows that folding now would set a very bad precedent for other states, other public schools...

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 11:36 AM (NOIQH)

Considering the Gov's somewhat tepid reply the other day, I'm not too hopeful at this point. I hope he proves me wrong.

There's still 56 other states that have to deal with this. Who will stand up there and say fuck off?

Texas is already going after public schools trying to implement this. I hope they keep it up.

Posted by: Blano at May 13, 2016 11:39 AM (3eoPa)

399
I said I'd stop arguing

No you didn't.

Posted by: Argument clinic at May 13, 2016 11:39 AM (k4M/B)

400 I think my mother's vision of Joshua was so very sweet...

'He looked like a nice young man, and he was like a doctor. And he took away all my fear the moment he spoke. Just like a doctor.'

Whatever it was, it changed her life, and who am I to gainsay her experience?

Yes, the Lord is beyond our ken.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:39 AM (lutOX)

401 Stolen from a commenter over at Zip's place

Check out the name of the school

http://cbsloc.al/1Xn0hLG

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 11:40 AM (ptqRm)

402 Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:37 AM

Well said.

Posted by: Vugar Rasim at May 13, 2016 11:40 AM (YIr1F)

403 Living in Cali, we only get to look enviously at other states that tell the federal gov to pound sand. Sacramento is always one step ahead in terms of lunatic regulations.

Posted by: IC at May 13, 2016 11:40 AM (a0IVu)

404 394 The bathroom thing is another step in diminishing the dignity of the individual. You must evolve into the collective hive, like a herd of cows pooping in the fields, unconcerned.

Eventually there will be no stalls in the bathrooms.
Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 11:38 AM (hTqVx)

Old sports stadiums just had the piss trough in the men's room...

Posted by: Insomniac at May 13, 2016 11:40 AM (0mRoj)

405 "diminishing the dignity of the individual"

Jeopardy

ans: Large numbers of armed people with vast stores of food.

question: What has Obama been good for?

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 11:40 AM (CRXed)

406 Le NOOD

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 13, 2016 11:40 AM (ptqRm)

407 Eventually there will be no stalls in the bathrooms.

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Safe spaces inhibit equality!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:41 AM (Nwg0u)

408 Eventually there will be no stalls in the bathrooms.

US Army Basic Training circa 1965

Posted by: Vugar Rasim at May 13, 2016 11:41 AM (YIr1F)

409 Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2016 11:38 AM (dFi94)

Those galaxies may be for others to see and live in.

Contemplating the possible emotions of God is...difficult but interesting.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 11:41 AM (hTqVx)

410 Parable of the prodigal Son...

Father? US Government...

Free Shit Army member? Prodigal Son...

US Taxpayer? Loyal Son....

Sorry... but being in the category of the Loyal Son... I would be pissed off too...

Posted by: Don Q. at May 13, 2016 11:41 AM (qf6WZ)

411 Please allow me to introduce myself

I'm a man of wealth and taste.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:22 AM (Nwg0u)

Who ARE you????? Who? Who?

Posted by: R. Daltrey at May 13, 2016 11:42 AM (aQQbl)

412 397 the immaculate conception was Mary
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:33 AM (oGRue)

Ah, not Catholic and got that mixed up. No, I don't believe that and it isn't in the Bible. It's added on extrapolation which I don't find convincing at all. If Mary had to be without sin to carry Christ then why not Mary's mother all the way back to Eve? If Mary could be without sin in the womb of a sinful mother, then why is God unable to conceive Jesus in the womb of a sinful Mary?

I've always found Catholic theology on Mary to be troubling in a lot of ways.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 11:38 AM (n2GmV)

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It's the main reason I'm not Catholic. Too many contradictions.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 11:42 AM (Fmupd)

413 Resurrected? Sure, right. Proof, please! Lemme see the scars!

And on and on.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:37 AM (T/5A0)

Thomas gets a bad rap. Read the story again. Jesus appears to the apostles who are hiding out in a locked room. Thomas isn't there and doesn't believe them. A week later, a week, Jesus appears to them again and they are still in the locked room. Why would Thomas believe them when they didn't act like they had seen him either?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 11:42 AM (n2GmV)

414 "...Four students watched the video on their phones while in health class at Barack Obama School of Career and Technical Education."

Geez, he's still president and they're already naming schools after him.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2016 11:42 AM (NOIQH)

415 *ponders*

CDC accidentally creates a strain of giant mosquitoes. In the dark of night to avoid being spotted, CDC tries to dump them but botches it. So the mutant mosquitoes escape. CDC destroys all evidence.

And there is Gaylord out on the golf course...

Hey SyFy! Have I got an idea for you.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 13, 2016 11:42 AM (oEYRe)

416 He said to him, My son, you are here with me always; everything I have is yours.

But now we must
celebrate and rejoice, because your brother was dead and has come to
life again; he was lost and has been found.

The conclusion is pretty self explanatory.

We're all lost and found at some point.

Posted by: DaveA at May 13, 2016 11:42 AM (DL2i+)

417 'there is no medical or mental health diagnosis or treatment threshold that students must meet in order to have their gender identity recognized and respected.'

BBL. Gonna self identify as a 17 year old chick for a bit.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2016 11:43 AM (mEZce)

418 Well, the governor of NC is saying it in the face of Obama's/the DoJ's threat to stop funding state universities. Think he knows that folding now would set a very bad precedent for other states, other public schools...
Posted by: Lizzy

I have to think NC residents getting their school funds yanked so trannys can feel more comfortable when they take a shit is not going to make them swoon for Obama and Democrats.

Posted by: Killian at May 13, 2016 11:43 AM (9Me3w)

419 And of course the guy with the axe is going to slaughter the fatted calf for the celebration. But why is he contemplating the back of the that boy's neck?

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 11:43 AM (hTqVx)

420 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 13, 2016 11:38 AM (Nwg0u)
***
F'ing Frogs....

You know why the germans in WWI planted trees on both sides of the Champs Elysee, dontcha?

So their sons could march in the shade....

That said, I will add that

Killed the Czar and his minsters,
Anastasia screamed in vain.

Yes, the best and truest and only rock and roll song of all time....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 13, 2016 11:44 AM (lutOX)

421 "Baroque"?

I like their root beer... I kid!

Posted by: Shoey at May 13, 2016 11:44 AM (vA94g)

422 If theodicy is an issue for you, Insomniac, (and sometimes people of faith all struggle with it) you might find this pamplet helpful, "When God seems unjust" by Joni Eareckson Tada-who had a diving accident and became a paraplegic in her teens. Fromm her Christians perspective there's some good stuff there for other Christians, IMO:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zzd3lo2

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2016 11:45 AM (w4NZ8)

423 "When God seems unjust" by Joni Eareckson Tada
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I love her.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2016 11:46 AM (dFi94)

424 I actually don't think the transexuals will be the big problem. It will be the creeps who take advantage of the policy. "The rules say I can be here!"

Posted by: Harun at May 13, 2016 11:46 AM (UBBWX)

425
410 Parable of the prodigal Son...

Father? US Government...

Free Shit Army member? Prodigal Son...

US Taxpayer? Loyal Son....

Sorry... but being in the category of the Loyal Son... I would be pissed off too...
Posted by: Don Q. at May 13, 2016 11:41 AM (qf6WZ)

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You're looking at it, in what's termed in the Bible, with a worldly eye. The realm of God's spirit gives one a whole new perspective.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 11:47 AM (Fmupd)

426 "Catholic"

I consider Catholics to be worshiping idols with all the Saint Statues.

They also seem to be doing ritual magic.

The good news is that public officials (Nancy Pelosi, Jew turned Catholic comes to mind) don't seem to follow the tenants of their professed religion.

Bad news is that they worship Moloch. Intensely.

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 11:47 AM (CRXed)

427 It couldn't wait. I just emailed my Pastor about the "what happened next" question of the younger brother.
We shall see.. Perhaps it is not for us to question his repentance.

Posted by: R. Daltrey at May 13, 2016 11:48 AM (aQQbl)

428 "Old sports stadiums just had the piss trough in the men's room..."

Ah, but those were men only rooms.

Imagine pooping in the open next to a person of the opposite sex who is also pooping next to a pooping person of confused sex and so on.

Now stick your head through the slats and eat.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 11:48 AM (hTqVx)

429 No, the story of the Prodigal son is not an analogy between the US government and its citizen. The Government did not create the heavens and the earth. The Govern t does not love us and the government is not a forgiving entity either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2016 11:49 AM (w4NZ8)

430 353---Or a JUST God.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2016 11:28 AM
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Yes, it would be better to use the word "just" today.
Many, if not most, people today confuse "good" with "nice."
And many do not understand that certain good things, like mercy and forgiveness, are meaningless, even evil, without the priority of justice.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:49 AM (T/5A0)

431 off you nasty Brit sock

Posted by: IP at May 13, 2016 11:49 AM (aQQbl)

432
Andrea "Boobs" Catsimatidis was her name.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 11:50 AM (iQIUe)

433 Put me down on Team Irked. While I understand the point made, it did
always feel like the son who did the right thing was getting the shaft.

Especially these days, when doing the right thing...gets you the shaft.

It's not about the sons inheritance, it's about being happy for the people you love.

It ain't easy - I barely talk with my brothers and usually wind up in a fight within 3 days but I'm still glad they got time with Dad before he passed.

Posted by: DaveA at May 13, 2016 11:50 AM (DL2i+)

434 I actually don't think the transexuals will be the big problem. It will be the creeps who take advantage of the policy. "The rules say I can be here!"
Posted by: Harun

I agree

Here's the thing, if a Caitlin Jenner wants to use the women's restroom, fine.

It's the child molesters and creepers that ren't transgender I would be concerned about hanging out in the women's restrooms.

But then how do you make sure the person is transgender or not?

You can't win and the only acceptable solution for the gay mafia is to allow women to likely be sexually assaulted all to placate .0001% of the population so they don;t feel excluded.

Posted by: Killian at May 13, 2016 11:50 AM (9Me3w)

435 "Tired of these bastards. Time for war"

Begun the Crapper Wars have.

Posted by: Jaws at May 13, 2016 11:50 AM (oOw3I)

436 The Parable? "The Son of Man came to seek and to save that which was lost."

I was lost. Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift. He didn't have to do it, but He did.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2016 11:52 AM (dFi94)

437 Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2016 11:46 AM (dFi94)

Yes, she writes a lot of good stuff.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2016 11:52 AM (w4NZ8)

438 395 "For God all things are possible."

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all possible things are possible.

A circle with 390 degrees is impossible.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:53 AM (PNcou)

439 Oh, dear, We're not going to drag this thread down with the /Protestant/Catholic slugfest are we? :^(

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2016 11:54 AM (w4NZ8)

440 I agree with Soona. The bible gives you spiritual rules to improve your life.

Read Luke 11:05, Friend, lend me three loaves of bread.

The lesson is to pray like you are an impolite demanded. Beat on the door and demand three loaves.

"For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."

But not for the nice guy. Want gainful employment. Ask for it over and over again. Pound on that spiritual door. Suggestion is that you also ask that you enjoy doing the job.

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 11:55 AM (CRXed)

441
Roman toilets - no evidence that there were separate facilities.
So, we are going back in time.

http://goo.gl/SvFx5L

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 11:56 AM (iQIUe)

442 438 395 "For God all things are possible."

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all possible things are possible.

A circle with 390 degrees is impossible.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:53 AM (PNcou)

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Not impossible. All you have to do is scrunch the degrees a bit tighter and then add 30 more.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 11:56 AM (Fmupd)

443 413
Thomas gets a bad rap.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 13, 2016 11:42 AM
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Only if you think doubting is evil.
Taking the Bible as a whole, I cannot believe that.
So the traditional view, that Jesus feels sorry for the sceptic but does not condemn him, is my own.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 13, 2016 11:56 AM (T/5A0)

444 Extra-curricular studies, for appropriate audiences. (Urantia Papers) - YMMV

Parable of the Lost Son
http://bit.ly/UB169-1

The Misunderstanding of Suffering - Discourse on Job
http://bit.ly/UB148-6

Posted by: mindful webworker - because it's there at May 13, 2016 11:56 AM (Y5LDn)

445
A circle with 390 degrees is impossible.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:53 AM (PNcou)

It is completely possible. A degree is a man-made construct.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 11:56 AM (hTqVx)

446 It's added on extrapolation which I don't find convincing at all. If Mary had to be without sin to carry Christ then why not Mary's mother all the way back to Eve? If Mary could be without sin in the womb of a sinful mother, then why is God unable to conceive Jesus in the womb of a sinful Mary?

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yes, it is a deduction.

But it isn't that she had to be without sin, but that it was proper that she be so. It goes along with concepts of being the new Eve and the Arc of the new covenant. She actually carried the Word of God within her.

Mary's mother did not need to be sinless since she did not carry God. Only Mary did.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:58 AM (PNcou)

447 Roman toilets - no evidence that there were separate facilities.
So, we are going back in time.

http://goo.gl/SvFx5L

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 13, 2016 11:56 AM (iQIUe)

They were allowed to kill their children until the children reached the age of four (called the age of reason) also.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 13, 2016 11:59 AM (hTqVx)

448 "Oh, dear, We're not going to drag this thread down with the /Protestant/Catholic slugfest are we?"

Don't get me started on Protestants. :-)

Organized religion is doing the best it can. But Satan owns all organizations of people. Remember. Satan offered Jesus the world. It was a true offer because Satan owns the world in a legal sense. People squandered their inheritance just like the Prodigal Son. Satan was who the payed it to. But that is human Satan legalities. Means the same as mud pies to God.

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 12:00 PM (CRXed)

449 I asked this question before, but either nobody seemed to know or the NC people weren't around. Is the Governor getting support from a majority of people in NC on his stand against the Obama administration?

On another note, In liberal ground zero today (my section of NJ) I saw two stickers on signs saying 1/20/17-Obama's last day. I think many people are weary of him, and so far nobody has knocked down my political whiteboard sign for today.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2016 12:02 PM (w4NZ8)

450 "They were allowed to kill their children until the children reached the age of four (called the age of reason) also."

I read that their was no age limit. That that was why Tiberius was very polite when he was around his mother.
Makes a good story so it is suspect.

Anyone have a definitive reference?

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 12:02 PM (CRXed)

451 But it isn't that she had to be without sin, but that it was proper that she be so. It goes along with concepts of being the new Eve and the Arc of the new covenant. She actually carried the Word of God within her.

Mary's mother did not need to be sinless since she did not carry God. Only Mary did.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:58 AM (PNcou)

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But then why do you then turn around and say that only Jesus was without sin. Saying that Mary was without sin kind of puts her up there on the same level of Jesus. Is that why Catholics seem so confused on who to actually worship?

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 12:03 PM (Fmupd)

452 A circle with 390 degrees is impossible.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:53 AM (PNcou)

It is completely possible. A degree is a man-made construct.

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Not within that construct.

Put another way, make 2 circles with different numbers of degrees in them.

Different than making an Amplifier that goes to 11

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 12:04 PM (PNcou)

453 Maybe somebody can put up pictures of sexy girls in skimpy low cut outfits (More of Heidi, Ace?) because at least that would stop us getting into possibly acrimonious debates on Mary.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2016 12:06 PM (w4NZ8)

454 "Roman toilets - no evidence that there were separate facilities."

Why would there be. Much poorer harsher time. Read about the skeletal remands of servants. Under fed and overworked.

Rich people had private facilities that were just for them.

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 12:08 PM (CRXed)

455 But then why do you then turn around and say that only Jesus was without sin. Saying that Mary was without sin kind of puts her up there on the same level of Jesus. Is that why Catholics seem so confused on who to actually worship?

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We can all be without sin. If we have a good confession we are without sin. Likewise baptism removes our sins. We must be sinless to go to heaven. But we cannot remain sinless.

Adam/Eve could've remained sinless, after the Fall it was impossible. Jesus was Sinless because he was God.

By a special act of God, Mary was created without original sin (in the same state as Adam/Eve) and was able to live a sinless life. So Mary still needed to be redeemed from Original Sin, still needed Jesus to save her, she just had it done early.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 12:11 PM (PNcou)

456 because at least that would stop us getting into possibly acrimonious debates on Mary.

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no reason for acrimony. Everyone can believe as he chooses. I won't be condemning anyone for being heretics

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 12:12 PM (PNcou)

457 Commence hoarding

A "Reverend Fun" prodigal son cartoon:

http://www.reverendfun.com/toon/20090914/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2016 12:13 PM (w4NZ8)

458 "circle with 390 degrees is impossible.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 13, 2016 11:53 AM (PNcou)

It is completely possible. A degree is a man-made construct."

Only by disregarding the generally accepted definition of degree. A 1/390 part of a circle's circumference is not a 1/360 part of a circle's circumference. A rose-by-any-other-name is a rose but a degree is 1/360.

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 12:13 PM (CRXed)

459 "won't be condemning anyone for being heretics"

Bernie

get it :-)

Posted by: huh? at May 13, 2016 12:15 PM (CRXed)

460 This is possibly my favorite Reverend Fun cartoon.
And for people who are not into the Bible, there is no Hozokiah in the Bible (although there is a king Hezekiah). The cartoonist just used the name to make a point about the other two.

http://www.reverendfun.com/toon/20091214/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2016 12:17 PM (w4NZ8)

461 Uh, statutes in Catholic churches are representations. No Catholic prays "to" a statue or thinks the statue is God.

If you didn't have those Papists making statues, you wouldn't have, oh, Michaelanglo's "Pieta."

Many glorious works were destroyed during the Reformation by the Protestant version of the Taliban.*

*Note I do not say all Prods were or are like Taliban. The church destroys and those who busted stained glass windows and lovely artworks were.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 12:23 PM (u0lmX)

462 Is that why Catholics seem so confused on who to actually worship?

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2016 12:03 PM (Fmupd)

We ask Mary for her intercession. You might not like that, but it's different from worshipping her. Catholics do not consider her a goddess.

Mary is the one thing keeping me in the Catholic Church at this point. I found her a wonderfully comforting and kind figure when I was a child - this nice Jewish mom who would go for bat for me when I did something wrong. And what Jewish son would ever deny his mom?

Yeah, I know you don't believe it. That's fine. The Reformation is long over and we are free to believe what we want.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 13, 2016 12:28 PM (u0lmX)

463 I love Murillo. Thanks for this beautiful example of his command of color, composition, and narrative. The Prodigal is sincerely repentant; the father comforting, the preparations for the feast (fatted calf) and the son's return (the clean clothes and the ring for his finger) are being brought to him. If you think this is wonderful, his paintings of the Holy Family are just moving and beautiful.

I think the Person who told this story was making a point about forgiveness. This passage in Luke is part of Christ's response to the accusation "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.'

First He talks about the lost sheep, then the lost coin and finally the lost son, who returns. He stresses that the lost son is truly repentant: no sense of entitlement, only remorse, shame and repentance. The father rejoices because his son, who was dead to him in so many ways, has come back to life - just like the sinners with whom He ate.

He was wise to talk about the objection of the Older son, too because it's natural to feel like that. There's no hint that the Prodigal son gets more inheritance back and no hint that the Older Son is shorted (he could ask for a goat to feast with his friends)...and also that it's normal for Older Son to feel slighted. He didn't say "don't feel like that."

Personally, I like Luke 11:46; it ain't just about lawyers.

Posted by: vivi at May 13, 2016 01:56 PM (11H2y)

464 Re: Well Of Course It Is

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http://tinyurl.com/zjxxhwd

Posted by: Michael Hill at May 13, 2016 02:29 PM (vUmBG)

465 Love Murillo, love the Spaniards

Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at May 14, 2016 04:12 PM (s1wA2)

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