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Overnight Open Thread (22 Apr 2016)
Voting Felons
One should NOT get their right to vote back if they are a convicted felon. One should've carefully considered how important their right to vote was before they make their poor criminal decisions. Virginia governor enables 200,000 felons to vote in November for Hillary. Going Green The government will make you go green, one way or another. San Francisco just became the first big US city to require solar panels on all new buildings. Quebec contemplates mandating home EV charging stations. Words We Invented By Getting Them Wrongh/t
He Said What? Someone needs to tell the President that this also applies here at home. Obama: Uncontrolled migration a "major national security issue". Not one reporter thought to ask a follow up question as to why does this not apply here in America? Friday Night Score John Powell's score to The Bourne Identity is pretty good without the movie.
Obviously the Cold War juxtaposition and imagery are outdated, but the idea - that American freedom requires an intellectual, moral, and physical commitment - is expressed as well, if not better, than any other lyricist has done since the advent of rock and roll. Prince explicitly rebukes the left-wing criticism of America - that its unequal distribution of wealth makes it worse than countries that strive to be socialist utopias. He asserts instead that America is worthy of celebrating because freedom is the most important value, more important than equality of outcomes, more important than being cool.Teachers Yeah, little wonder Chicago students aren't doing so well in school when the teachers union president calls Illinois Governor an 'ISIS recruit'. So tell me Karen Lewis, what has Gov. Rauner done to your union that even remotely resembles a crucifixion, a beheading, suicide bombing, etc? I would think if he was even just slightly like ISIS, you'd already be wearing a burkha no? More News BS How 60 Minutes played 'Telephone' with public hacking hysteria. Question Of The Day I just learned this today. Why aren't the Toronto Maple Leafs spelled Leaves? Dog Video
Comments
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I better get to bed if I want to see the end of this
Posted by: Skip at April 22, 2016 09:45 PM (Dpy/y)
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Hi all. Has chemjeff posted today? Last night on the ONT his father was in the hospital w/ a heart attack. He was headed out sometime today.
Posted by: Farmer at April 22, 2016 09:47 PM (o/90i)
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Flyers have 1:02 to play, 1 - 0
Posted by: Skip at April 22, 2016 09:47 PM (Dpy/y)
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I'm up way too late
Posted by: fluffy at April 22, 2016 09:48 PM (2hcmo)
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As I told the listeners today,
"It's Earth Day, so be sure you hug a hunk of sod. Better yet, cut down a hickory tree and invite me over for a barbecue."
"It's Earth Day, so be sure you hug a hunk of sod. Better yet, cut down a hickory tree and invite me over for a barbecue."
Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 22, 2016 09:48 PM (rJUlF)
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Evenin' everyone.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 22, 2016 09:48 PM (YJmuy)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 09:48 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: @votermom at April 22, 2016 09:48 PM (nbrY/)
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Don't think Chemjeff has been here all day
Posted by: Skip at April 22, 2016 09:48 PM (Dpy/y)
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Yo, Morons
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 09:48 PM (on01m)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 22, 2016 09:49 PM (rJUlF)
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The Next Frontier for Sexual Liberation? Incest
Homosexuality went from a mental disease to a civil right that must not only be tolerated, but championed, is because the courts now consider homosexuality to be an unchangeable genetic trait. What then is the next frontier for sexual orientation civil rights due to genetics? Incest.
More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=11533
Homosexuality went from a mental disease to a civil right that must not only be tolerated, but championed, is because the courts now consider homosexuality to be an unchangeable genetic trait. What then is the next frontier for sexual orientation civil rights due to genetics? Incest.
More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=11533
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 22, 2016 09:49 PM (vBeA5)
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Holy crap, I'm awake for the ONT.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 22, 2016 09:49 PM (jR7Wy)
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Philadelphia Flyers score 2-0
Posted by: Skip at April 22, 2016 09:49 PM (Dpy/y)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 22, 2016 09:49 PM (rJUlF)
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Hola, pendejos...
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:49 PM (zjXHe)
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The Bourne Identity is a pretty good movie. There, I said it.
Posted by: davidt at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (8aOqE)
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I never had a shot at "nine". Ces't la vie.
...that's just the way it goes.
That's Life!
...sometimes.
...that's just the way it goes.
That's Life!
...sometimes.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (OQ9R7)
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Oh, yeah, today was Urf Day.
I celebrated by burning an entire tank of gas in one day, accomplishing absolutely nothing.
I celebrated by burning an entire tank of gas in one day, accomplishing absolutely nothing.
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (9n14Y)
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>>>just learned this today. Why aren't the Toronto Maple Leafs spelled Leaves?
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I expect one of our Canuck friends to tell us
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I expect one of our Canuck friends to tell us
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (voOPb)
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Got some much needed rain here tonight...
Which means I'll be muddy instead of dusty after the IDPA match tomorrow.
The wee little truck likes mud so it's all good.
Which means I'll be muddy instead of dusty after the IDPA match tomorrow.
The wee little truck likes mud so it's all good.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (on01m)
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G'Night, Cap'n.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (zjXHe)
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Flyers winning?
Posted by: Clarney at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (dgO4h)
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Flyers win!
Posted by: Skip at April 22, 2016 09:51 PM (Dpy/y)
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Don't think Chemjeff has been here all day
Posted by: Skip at April 22, 2016 09:48 PM (Dpy/y)
His father is in the hospital.
Posted by: Skip at April 22, 2016 09:48 PM (Dpy/y)
His father is in the hospital.
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 22, 2016 09:51 PM (vBeA5)
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Howdy, y'all!!!
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 09:51 PM (EzgxV)
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GTFO
Posted by: Clarney at April 22, 2016 09:51 PM (dgO4h)
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Tobacco Road!
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 09:51 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 09:52 PM (on01m)
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Yay Flyers!
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at April 22, 2016 09:52 PM (+eR2D)
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13 Holy crap, I'm awake for the ONT.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 22, 2016 09:49 PM (jR7Wy)
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So am I and sadly I'm on the Ice tea now. Had too many drinks during the 80's thread.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 22, 2016 09:49 PM (jR7Wy)
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So am I and sadly I'm on the Ice tea now. Had too many drinks during the 80's thread.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 09:52 PM (4aaDj)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2016 09:52 PM (0mRoj)
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I like the word origin video.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 22, 2016 09:53 PM (t5zYU)
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Chewed up tennis ball.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 22, 2016 09:53 PM (k4M/B)
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just learned this today. Why aren't the Toronto Maple Leafs spelled Leaves?
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I expect one of our Canuck friends to tell us
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (voOPb)
It's Conn Smythe's fault.
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I expect one of our Canuck friends to tell us
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (voOPb)
It's Conn Smythe's fault.
Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 09:53 PM (HRFV2)
Posted by: Adriane the Album Cover Critic ... at April 22, 2016 09:53 PM (AoK0a)
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Saw that chemjeff's dad was in hospital on last night's ONT, he said he still had class today. Hope we hear from him soon.
Posted by: Skip at April 22, 2016 09:53 PM (Dpy/y)
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Heh, earf day, time to burn it up. And, yo, Capt. Whitebread, very nice to see you. xoxo, all morons, everywhere. And may my boss's dear friend and former partner diaf very, very soon. Like, tonight would be perfect.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 09:54 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 09:54 PM (on01m)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 09:54 PM (OQ9R7)
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I meant McAuliffe. Ugh, beer, it's like a best friend and an enemy all at the same time. Oops, need to pound one more and celebrate getting home unarrested. :-)
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 09:55 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Puddleglum at April 22, 2016 09:55 PM (Dcy1r)
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Now it's an ONT.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 09:55 PM (on01m)
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Maple "Leafs" explanation makes sense. Wondered this myself but must knew there was history behind it with most NHL teams.
I would so be a Hartford Whalers fan if they were still around today.
I would so be a Hartford Whalers fan if they were still around today.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:55 PM (zjXHe)
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Earth Day, more commie swill. Fox Business did a story to about all of the "green" business that have gone out of business. But hey Barry just keep killing the coal industry. Miserable twat
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 22, 2016 09:55 PM (45oDG)
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So am I and sadly I'm on the Ice tea now. Had too many drinks during the 80's thread.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016
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For me the consummate 80's club drink was the Chernobyl. Not quite sure what was in it - Midori, vodka, and probably roofies -- but it made me irresistibly sexacious and a terrific dancer.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016
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For me the consummate 80's club drink was the Chernobyl. Not quite sure what was in it - Midori, vodka, and probably roofies -- but it made me irresistibly sexacious and a terrific dancer.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 22, 2016 09:55 PM (jR7Wy)
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Slap!!! TR!!!! OMG, this is like a blessing.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 09:55 PM (EgOr3)
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I bet your mama was a tent show queen and all her boyfriends were sweet sixteen.
Posted by: otho at April 22, 2016 09:55 PM (EWg9n)
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Peaches! Long time!
Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2016 09:55 PM (0mRoj)
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Time for one more beer/ale before retiring for the evening. Happy ONT everyone.
Posted by: Pete Seria at April 22, 2016 09:56 PM (/pOl7)
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Holy smokes, there is Peaches! I'm off to do a bit of internet shopping and will check back to see what she can make me giggle about in a bit,.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 09:56 PM (4aaDj)
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There's only one kind of leaf I want to burn tonight after the week I've had.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 22, 2016 09:56 PM (6FqZa)
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Peaches!!!!!! *smothers*
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at April 22, 2016 09:56 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:56 PM (zjXHe)
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"There's only one kind of leaf I want to burn tonight after the week I've had."
You're not one of "those", are you?
You're not one of "those", are you?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:57 PM (zjXHe)
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Grumble.
Posted by: Ted Tendentious at April 22, 2016 09:58 PM (J3UIw)
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Prayers up for chemjeff and his dad and his entire family. As far as the rest of you? Skol!
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 09:58 PM (EgOr3)
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There are quite a few reasons for Maple Leafs, but the most accepted one is the Maple Leaf Regiment from WWI.
Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 09:59 PM (HRFV2)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at April 22, 2016 09:59 PM (+eR2D)
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No, I didn't say I actually had the leaf around here....
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 22, 2016 09:59 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:59 PM (zjXHe)
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Because of the establishment idiots in the RNC that did not adequately support Cuccinnelli in VA, letting McAuliffe run unopposed ads for months, we now have 200,000 felon Democrats voters added to our elections rolls in VA.
Sure glad we Virginians had a chance to vote on that gubernatorial action!
Good news, after Hillary wins, Virginia will have a crony governor!
Sure glad we Virginians had a chance to vote on that gubernatorial action!
Good news, after Hillary wins, Virginia will have a crony governor!
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 09:59 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 09:59 PM (OQ9R7)
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>>>I just learned this today. Why aren't the Toronto Maple Leafs spelled Leaves?<<<
With their freaky weird flappy-hinged head/jaws, Canadians can't make a "v" sound.
With their freaky weird flappy-hinged head/jaws, Canadians can't make a "v" sound.
Posted by: Eric Cartman at April 22, 2016 10:00 PM (H9MG5)
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DG!!!! shmooshes and hugs and, hey, you wanna coors light?
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:00 PM (EgOr3)
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And now...I'm whooped. Been a long week. Gonna sack out for 10-12 hours. Have a good night, 'rons!
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at April 22, 2016 10:00 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: The Planet Mars at April 22, 2016 10:00 PM (vBeA5)
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"RK, I promise to make you a batch of apricot jam this year. "
Shut your ass. You got shit to do.
Shut your ass. You got shit to do.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:00 PM (zjXHe)
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You're not one of "those", are you?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:57 PM (zjXHe)
Yes, Ricardo, yes, I am. Moseying my way to it as we type.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:57 PM (zjXHe)
Yes, Ricardo, yes, I am. Moseying my way to it as we type.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:00 PM (EgOr3)
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Aw Peaches, I can hardly keep my eyes open. Glad I was here to say hi to you though!
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at April 22, 2016 10:01 PM (+eR2D)
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Shut your ass. You got shit to do.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:00 PM (zjXHe)
Actually no, this year is good. Better than last for sure. But..."shut your ass"?! Yipe!
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:00 PM (zjXHe)
Actually no, this year is good. Better than last for sure. But..."shut your ass"?! Yipe!
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at April 22, 2016 10:02 PM (+eR2D)
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She went astray, but we still love her like any 'Ette EVAR.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:02 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 22, 2016 10:02 PM (iQIUe)
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"Yes, Ricardo, yes, I am. Moseying my way to it as we type."
Oh, I was aiming that at BTH. But, okay, ya know.
Oh, I was aiming that at BTH. But, okay, ya know.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:02 PM (zjXHe)
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Leave it to The Federalist to publish a rave review of a song and not have a video or even a link.
Leave it to The Federalist to publish a rave review of a song and not have a video or even a link.
Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:02 PM (5o5ek)
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On that note, for real, I'm out. See y'all!
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at April 22, 2016 10:03 PM (+eR2D)
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Me, too, DG! Does my hard little heart good to see you after all this time. I am also rode hard and put away wet today, so sleep sweet and maybe listen to Little Red Corvette before you surrender to your dreams. I can't stand how much I love that song.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:03 PM (EgOr3)
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Good night, DG! Charge the Sanity Prod.
Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 10:03 PM (HRFV2)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:03 PM (OQ9R7)
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So the Caps are going to choke to a NHL team from Pennsylvania. They are consistent with that, aren't they.
Posted by: Puddleglum at April 22, 2016 10:03 PM (Dcy1r)
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G'Night, DangerGirl!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:04 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:04 PM (zjXHe)
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So the Caps are going to choke to a NHL team from Pennsylvania. They are consistent with that, aren't they.
Posted by: Puddleglum at April 22, 2016 10:03 PM (Dcy1r)
They're still up 3-2. But I'm sure they're nervous.
Posted by: Puddleglum at April 22, 2016 10:03 PM (Dcy1r)
They're still up 3-2. But I'm sure they're nervous.
Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 10:04 PM (HRFV2)
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Peaches is my Original AOS crush.
*blushes*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T)
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You'll have to arm wrestle me for her.
*blushes*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T)
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You'll have to arm wrestle me for her.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 10:05 PM (on01m)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:05 PM (GEICT)
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Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:03 PM (OQ9R7)
OMG, that is the coolest thing anyone, anywhere, ever said to me. Total moron-gasm. And back at ya . . .glad you went back to your orig nick, I get so confused.
OMG, that is the coolest thing anyone, anywhere, ever said to me. Total moron-gasm. And back at ya . . .glad you went back to your orig nick, I get so confused.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:05 PM (EgOr3)
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They're still up 3-2. But I'm sure they're nervous.
Posted by: Vendette
I know but I feel bad for Caps fans. This has got to be maddening. I say this as a Pens fan.
Posted by: Vendette
I know but I feel bad for Caps fans. This has got to be maddening. I say this as a Pens fan.
Posted by: Puddleglum at April 22, 2016 10:06 PM (Dcy1r)
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So far I have spent Urf Day blasting past Priuses with my Mustang and letting them hear me hurt the environment. I was going to burn some cow today but it rained. 
Posted by: GGE Hades of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 22, 2016 10:06 PM (vbvxt)
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I'm gonna have a few drinks, so in regards to the previous thread, I'll leave y'all with this:
https://youtu.be/IgPgavmY99U
https://youtu.be/IgPgavmY99U
Posted by: Country Singer at April 22, 2016 10:06 PM (GUBah)
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Horde!!!!!
Who have we pissed off today?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:05 PM (GEICT)
Dunno, but Peaches may need a chaperone.
Who have we pissed off today?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:05 PM (GEICT)
Dunno, but Peaches may need a chaperone.
Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 10:06 PM (HRFV2)
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"You'll have to arm wrestle me for her."
-Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 10:05 PM (on01m)
*HAH!*
She's a Beauty!
...a one-in-a-million-girl.
-Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 10:05 PM (on01m)
*HAH!*
She's a Beauty!
...a one-in-a-million-girl.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:06 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:06 PM (OQ9R7)
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I love that Quebec article...it costs $1500 to install the car charger. But the province provides $1000 subsidy so it's only $500. Yeah because the provincial govt just gets the $1000 from the money tree, and it doesn't cost taxpayers anything.
This is the fucking mentality we're fighting (and losing badly) against.
This is the fucking mentality we're fighting (and losing badly) against.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (EgOr3)
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Dunno, but Peaches may need a chaperone.
Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 10:06 PM (HRFV2)
Don't look at me. I got three beautiful girls sacked out on the couch next to me that I'm responsible for.
Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 10:06 PM (HRFV2)
Don't look at me. I got three beautiful girls sacked out on the couch next to me that I'm responsible for.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (GEICT)
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Howdy, y'all!!!
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 09:51 PM
You OK after the fall you took at the neighbors? You know this sheet doesn't get any easier when we got older. Hope you're doing fine.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 09:51 PM
You OK after the fall you took at the neighbors? You know this sheet doesn't get any easier when we got older. Hope you're doing fine.
Posted by: Farmer at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (o/90i)
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Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 09:59 PM (wYnyS)
Yep, wish you wouldn't have reminded me of that.
We're screwed. They will do absolutely anything to maintain their hold on power, and we have the GOPe. I picked the wrong year to quit drinking
Yep, wish you wouldn't have reminded me of that.
We're screwed. They will do absolutely anything to maintain their hold on power, and we have the GOPe. I picked the wrong year to quit drinking
Posted by: Cooldawg at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (8v0G6)
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Whew!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (HRFV2)
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I disagree with stripping convicted criminals of their rights, because it seems to me too easy to abuse. You've either served your punishment, or you haven't. None of this half-way shit. Of course, I also think that the lash should be brought back into extensive use in the justice system.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (fC9RO)
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55 "His father is in the hospital."
Hope chem and crew are doing well.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:56 PM (zjXHe)
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Me too. Since there is still a bit of alcohol in me even though not drinking I'm gonna throw this out. My dad is dying of ALS. ( Lou Gehrigs disease) we were never close, in fact he made my life miserable growing up. Since I'm a hospice nurse they are calling all the time for suggestions. He must be regretting my teen years because he is having his friends call me to tell me to go see him. I just can't find it in me to do it willingly. I'm not a bad person, I probably spend more money on my hard up patients buying groceries and meds out my pocket for them than I should but I just can't find it in me to do this yet. I know there are some praying people out here and I would appreciate it
Hope chem and crew are doing well.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:56 PM (zjXHe)
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Me too. Since there is still a bit of alcohol in me even though not drinking I'm gonna throw this out. My dad is dying of ALS. ( Lou Gehrigs disease) we were never close, in fact he made my life miserable growing up. Since I'm a hospice nurse they are calling all the time for suggestions. He must be regretting my teen years because he is having his friends call me to tell me to go see him. I just can't find it in me to do it willingly. I'm not a bad person, I probably spend more money on my hard up patients buying groceries and meds out my pocket for them than I should but I just can't find it in me to do this yet. I know there are some praying people out here and I would appreciate it
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:08 PM (4aaDj)
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Love ya', Darlin'!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:08 PM (OQ9R7)
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earlier i noted that prince had 100]s of songs in addition to his 35 released albums. that should be 1,000's of songs! (well, including jams for albums). that's remarkable.
his parents were both musicians, so he truly lived in music. biology or learning? genetics or culture. the old question...
his parents were both musicians, so he truly lived in music. biology or learning? genetics or culture. the old question...
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 22, 2016 10:08 PM (WTSFk)
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Captain Whitebread, still here? Had a bit of scare when they were asking about you in the sidebar. Relieved to see the Moron Alert called off.
But... it's always good to see the heart of the horde, valuing each other so much.
Except for that one guy. F' him.
But... it's always good to see the heart of the horde, valuing each other so much.
Except for that one guy. F' him.
Posted by: mindful webworker saying Howdy, y'all! at April 22, 2016 10:09 PM (5a8XA)
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If solar power were economically viable, every builder would voluntarily add it to new buildings. The fact the govt has to force builders to install it tells you what a piece of shit it is. Good products don't need to be mandated.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 22, 2016 10:09 PM (0LHZx)
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Hear from you all at the end of this thread
Good night horde
Good night horde
Posted by: Skip at April 22, 2016 10:09 PM (Dpy/y)
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200,000 felons can now vote in Virgina, huh? What, is that where we keep the Congressional Retirement House/Old Folks Home, or something?
Posted by: Ted Tendentious at April 22, 2016 10:09 PM (J3UIw)
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My dear adorable little daughter could talk the balls off a rhino! Once she finally conks out, maybe I can too.
Good night hoard and remember that WASTF!
Good night hoard and remember that WASTF!
Posted by: Commissar M at April 22, 2016 10:09 PM (vcIHi)
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-Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (HRFV2)
I have close-tags, so I have no idea how hat happened!
I have close-tags, so I have no idea how hat happened!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:09 PM (OQ9R7)
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Hat,
They've been laying the groundwork for incest for a while now, if you knew where to look. It's frightening, really. The complete destruction of the family.
They've been laying the groundwork for incest for a while now, if you knew where to look. It's frightening, really. The complete destruction of the family.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 22, 2016 10:09 PM (fC9RO)
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"Who have we pissed off today?"
Exactly nobody. So far as I can see. But it's only 9:15 CST.
So mystery awaits.
Exactly nobody. So far as I can see. But it's only 9:15 CST.
So mystery awaits.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:10 PM (zjXHe)
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there is still a bit of alcohol in me even though not drinking
why do I not understand how that works?
why do I not understand how that works?Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:10 PM (EgOr3)
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G'Night, Skip.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:10 PM (OQ9R7)
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I'm going to be the turd in the punch bowl here, but I'll float for the team.
I'm of the mind that if a person is free to walk the streets, they should have the rights of a free citizen. If a person can't legally possess a firearm or vote, they shouldn't be walking freely amongst those who can.
The crimes that are classified as a Felony should be life-in-prison-with-no-possibility-of-parole, or death.
Think about the slippery slope that the Left loves to use, and how this plays out in the end.
I'm of the mind that if a person is free to walk the streets, they should have the rights of a free citizen. If a person can't legally possess a firearm or vote, they shouldn't be walking freely amongst those who can.
The crimes that are classified as a Felony should be life-in-prison-with-no-possibility-of-parole, or death.
Think about the slippery slope that the Left loves to use, and how this plays out in the end.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:10 PM (CXLVd)
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Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:08 PM (4aaDj)
You have to do what is best for you. I pray whatever decision you make you are happy with in the future
You have to do what is best for you. I pray whatever decision you make you are happy with in the future
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:11 PM (voOPb)
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In "honor" of Earth Day, I drove several hundred miles. Fuck you, Leo Dicaprio; you probably use more fuel for your yacht in 2 years than I ever will in my entire lifetime.
Posted by: Thrawn at April 22, 2016 10:11 PM (h6D4A)
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So not that it was really in doubt to begin with, but Hillary can add VA to the "easy win" column. Wouldn't surprise me if Colorado's gov decides his criminals can vote too as well as every other Dem governor of a purple state.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 22, 2016 10:11 PM (0LHZx)
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She's a beauty
a one in a million girl
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Posted by: Vendette
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I still have this on vinyl.
a one in a million girl
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Posted by: Vendette
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I still have this on vinyl.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 10:11 PM (on01m)
Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 10:11 PM (HRFV2)
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GGE???? GGE???? GGE!!! Dood . . . Love ya, miss ya.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (EgOr3)
Peaches!!!! LTNS! Glad you are doing well.
GGE???? GGE???? GGE!!! Dood . . . Love ya, miss ya.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (EgOr3)
Peaches!!!! LTNS! Glad you are doing well.
Posted by: GGE Hades of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 22, 2016 10:12 PM (vbvxt)
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Go shorty, it's your erf day, we're gonna party like it's your erf day and we don't give a fuck it's not your erf day
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 22, 2016 10:12 PM (0LHZx)
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North Carolina breweries protest "anti-LGBT" bill with "Don't Be Mean" beer.
Seriously?
http://fxn.ws/216cynF
Seriously?
http://fxn.ws/216cynF
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 10:13 PM (9n14Y)
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MK, you can only do what you're doing.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:13 PM (zjXHe)
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Molly, prayers up. I am in a situation where I can really relate. It's a tough road to hoe. You ever need a shoulder, e me at carolinvenice at the hooya. Here for you anytime, you are the world's best sweetheart!
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:13 PM (EgOr3)
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Why aren't the Toronto Maple Leafs spelled Leaves?
It's LJRR Tolkien's fault. Insisted the plural of dwarf was dwarfs. Things just spiraled out of control from there.
It's LJRR Tolkien's fault. Insisted the plural of dwarf was dwarfs. Things just spiraled out of control from there.
Posted by: mindful webworker saying Howdy, y'all! at April 22, 2016 10:13 PM (5a8XA)
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Somebody linked this on the last thread. A CGI of Titanic sinking in real time. I'm watching it now, but I don't know whether I can stay up that late.
https://hotgas.net/2016/04/watch-the/
https://hotgas.net/2016/04/watch-the/
Posted by: rickl at April 22, 2016 10:13 PM (sdi6R)
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But speaking of being "green", I got to give my kudos to the Chi-Coms. Not only are they going to provide their new islands in the South China Sea with a truly "green" source of power, but this source of power also doubles as a quasi-nuclear deterrent against military attack.
Just in time for the upcoming 9-Dash-Line War.
China's Got Nuclear Power Plans for Its Fake Islands (from FP)
http://tinyurl.com/hrs36wc
Just in time for the upcoming 9-Dash-Line War.
China's Got Nuclear Power Plans for Its Fake Islands (from FP)
http://tinyurl.com/hrs36wc
Posted by: Thrawn at April 22, 2016 10:13 PM (h6D4A)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 22, 2016 10:13 PM (AkOaV)
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And I didn't catch the fucking auto-cucumber switch the spelling of horde before I posted. Fuck, I wish I felt like drinking an adult beverage or two.
Posted by: Commissar M at April 22, 2016 10:14 PM (vcIHi)
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GGE! We need to go shooting sometime, dude. (Is 123-ish too early to turn this into a gun thread?)
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:14 PM (CXLVd)
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In "honor" of Earth Day, I drove several hundred miles. Fuck you, Leo Dicaprio; you probably use more fuel for your yacht in 2 years than I ever will in my entire lifetime.
Posted by: Thrawn at April 22, 2016 10:11 PM (h6D4A)
*****
Me too. In honor of Erf Day, I blew through 30 gallons of No Ethanol gas in a Crown Vic Police Interceptor for a road trip today. I hope the Prius drivers cried as I blew past them.
Posted by: Thrawn at April 22, 2016 10:11 PM (h6D4A)
*****
Me too. In honor of Erf Day, I blew through 30 gallons of No Ethanol gas in a Crown Vic Police Interceptor for a road trip today. I hope the Prius drivers cried as I blew past them.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 10:14 PM (J109V)
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131 GGE! We need to go shooting sometime, dude. (Is 123-ish too early to turn this into a gun thread?)
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:14 PM (CXLVd)
depends.
45acp or 9mm?
911 or glock?
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:14 PM (CXLVd)
depends.
45acp or 9mm?
911 or glock?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 22, 2016 10:15 PM (AkOaV)
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Me too. Since there is still a bit of alcohol in me
even though not drinking I'm gonna throw this out. My dad is dying of
ALS. ( Lou Gehrigs disease) we were never close, in fact he made my life
miserable growing up. Since I'm a hospice nurse they are calling all
the time for suggestions. He must be regretting my teen years because he
is having his friends call me to tell me to go see him. I just can't
find it in me to do it willingly. I'm not a bad person, I probably spend
more money on my hard up patients buying groceries and meds out my
pocket for them than I should but I just can't find it in me to do this
yet. I know there are some praying people out here and I would
appreciate it
Posted by: Molly k
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Done, Molly. Guilt is not any part of God's plan, and if someone tries to lay any on you, you roll it right on down the street.
even though not drinking I'm gonna throw this out. My dad is dying of
ALS. ( Lou Gehrigs disease) we were never close, in fact he made my life
miserable growing up. Since I'm a hospice nurse they are calling all
the time for suggestions. He must be regretting my teen years because he
is having his friends call me to tell me to go see him. I just can't
find it in me to do it willingly. I'm not a bad person, I probably spend
more money on my hard up patients buying groceries and meds out my
pocket for them than I should but I just can't find it in me to do this
yet. I know there are some praying people out here and I would
appreciate it
Posted by: Molly k
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Done, Molly. Guilt is not any part of God's plan, and if someone tries to lay any on you, you roll it right on down the street.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 10:15 PM (on01m)
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113 there is still a bit of alcohol in me even though not drinking
why do I not understand how that works?
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:10 PM (EgOr3)
.......
I forgot to add anymore to the not drinking. I started early and what I have in me should carry me through the night.
Also thank you Mis Hum
why do I not understand how that works?
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:10 PM (EgOr3)
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I forgot to add anymore to the not drinking. I started early and what I have in me should carry me through the night.
Also thank you Mis Hum
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:15 PM (4aaDj)
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I've been wearing purple in honor of Prince today & everybody keeps calling me Grimace. Was that a Prince song?
Posted by: Hillary! at April 22, 2016 10:15 PM (lRwmz)
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I disagree, Oedipus: I think the franchise needs to be limited as far as possible to those who have a stake in the state. Those who have committed felonies are the most obvious people to exclude from the rolls. Until and unless they get an official pardon.
Our problem is not that we have too few citizens voting. Our problem is that we have too many.
Our problem is not that we have too few citizens voting. Our problem is that we have too many.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 22, 2016 10:15 PM (6FqZa)
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Peaches, how are you doing?!
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 22, 2016 10:15 PM (fC9RO)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:16 PM (zjXHe)
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I'm going to be the turd in the punch bowl here, but I'll float for the team.
I'm of the mind that if a person is free to walk the streets, they should have the rights of a free citizen. If a person can't legally possess a firearm or vote, they shouldn't be walking freely amongst those who can.
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Not a trud at all. In fact I bet taking away a person's voting rights wouldn't stand up in the Supreme Court. (Has it been tested there? I swear if this was a morning thread I'd open up another tab and look, but ONT droopy eyes 'n' all.)
I'm going to be the turd in the punch bowl here, but I'll float for the team.
I'm of the mind that if a person is free to walk the streets, they should have the rights of a free citizen. If a person can't legally possess a firearm or vote, they shouldn't be walking freely amongst those who can.
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Not a trud at all. In fact I bet taking away a person's voting rights wouldn't stand up in the Supreme Court. (Has it been tested there? I swear if this was a morning thread I'd open up another tab and look, but ONT droopy eyes 'n' all.)
Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:16 PM (5o5ek)
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In fact I bet taking away a person's voting rights wouldn't stand up in the Supreme Court.
Neither is taking away a person's right to abortion, to a school of their choice, to fucking Obamacare.
The Supreme Court... I mean, LOL. Just, LOL.
Neither is taking away a person's right to abortion, to a school of their choice, to fucking Obamacare.
The Supreme Court... I mean, LOL. Just, LOL.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 22, 2016 10:17 PM (6FqZa)
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GGE! We need to go shooting sometime, dude. (Is 123-ish too early to turn this into a gun thread?)
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:14 PM (CXLVd)
Has to be early, I've got to take off in a few minutes to go get Boy from the skating rink, then off to bed. I have to be up early, I'm joining the gun club and the orientation is tomorrow morning.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:14 PM (CXLVd)
Has to be early, I've got to take off in a few minutes to go get Boy from the skating rink, then off to bed. I have to be up early, I'm joining the gun club and the orientation is tomorrow morning.
Posted by: GGE Hades of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 22, 2016 10:17 PM (vbvxt)
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depends.
45acp or 9mm?
911 or glock?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
9mm, I'm a CZ guy, can't stand Glocks. But I do have a stash of .45 for when I finally pick up a Dan Wesson or a CZ-97.
But I was thinking rifle, .308, suppressed.
45acp or 9mm?
911 or glock?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
9mm, I'm a CZ guy, can't stand Glocks. But I do have a stash of .45 for when I finally pick up a Dan Wesson or a CZ-97.
But I was thinking rifle, .308, suppressed.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:18 PM (CXLVd)
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-Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:08 PM (4aaDj)
Our Lord asks that you find forgiveness within your heart. Allow yourself to grieve for his stupidity and rigid nature.
His passage into Heaven is his burden alone. Yours is allowing him not to affect your life any further.
Were I in this spot, I would find it difficult beyond words.
I would forgive him because ultimately, I am bound by The Word of God.
Our Lord asks that you find forgiveness within your heart. Allow yourself to grieve for his stupidity and rigid nature.
His passage into Heaven is his burden alone. Yours is allowing him not to affect your life any further.
Were I in this spot, I would find it difficult beyond words.
I would forgive him because ultimately, I am bound by The Word of God.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:19 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:19 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (zjXHe)
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145 Happy Earf Day morons.
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You mean, Happy Lenin's birthday.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:19 PM (oKE6c)
Happy Murder Your GF and Compost Her Day?
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You mean, Happy Lenin's birthday.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:19 PM (oKE6c)
Happy Murder Your GF and Compost Her Day?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (GEICT)
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Also thank you Mis Hum
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:15 PM (4aaDj)
Hang tough, babygirl. It's really all you can do. Don't hesitate to email me if you think it will help. I am actually sober most of the time. xoxo and prayers up.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:15 PM (4aaDj)
Hang tough, babygirl. It's really all you can do. Don't hesitate to email me if you think it will help. I am actually sober most of the time. xoxo and prayers up.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (EgOr3)
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I'm of the mind that if a person is free to walk the streets, they should have the rights of a free citizen.
No. They should have rites, not rights.
No. They should have rites, not rights.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (oKE6c)
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102 Prayers out to you and your family Molly
It's easy for others to suggest burying the hatchet. I just pray that you're able to cross that bridge when the time is right for you as well.
That's when the real healing will take place...
It's easy for others to suggest burying the hatchet. I just pray that you're able to cross that bridge when the time is right for you as well.
That's when the real healing will take place...
Posted by: Cooldawg at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (8v0G6)
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Excellent words to our Maker there, Slap. Well done.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (on01m)
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WASHINGTON -- Suicide in the United States has surged to the highest levels in nearly 30 years, a federal data analysis has found, with increases in every age group except older adults. The rise was particularly steep for women. It was also substantial among middle-aged Americans, sending a signal of deep anguish from a group whose suicide rates had been stable or falling since the 1950s.
Hope and Change ? ... OK ... Hopeless Change
Hope and Change ? ... OK ... Hopeless Change
Posted by: James T Kirk at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (e8kgV)
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hi all, I am here at my parent's house
dad is doing fine now, resting at the hospital now
he should be discharged tomorrow
anyway, gonna go to bed, it's been a long day
thanks for all of your prayers and hopeful thoughts
dad is doing fine now, resting at the hospital now
he should be discharged tomorrow
anyway, gonna go to bed, it's been a long day
thanks for all of your prayers and hopeful thoughts
Posted by: chemjeff at April 22, 2016 10:21 PM (7cG/Z)
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One should NOT get their right to vote back if they are a convicted felon. One should've carefully considered how important their right to vote was before they make their poor criminal decisions.
I disagree.
I think felons who are out of prison should be allowed to vote. While it is most likely true that they will vote in ways that are against my preferences, I think it is a good thing to encourage felons to rejoin civil society. Most non-felons don't bother to vote, and ex-felons vote in even fewer numbers, per capita. But to the degree that they want to make a difference in our society through legal methods, I think they should be encouraged.
Disenfranchisement should be reserved for situations where it is truly necessary. If someone is incarcerated, they have been removed from society and it is reasonable to deny them all kinds of the rights that the rest of the citizenry take for granted. But once they have done their time, they need to be given the chance to participate in civil society.
That said, the fact that the governor a of a state can unilaterally make the decision to allow (or disallow) 200,000 voters purely on his own authority is unacceptable. A change like this should go through the political process. It might not come out the way I prefer, but then that is the way things work in a democratic republic.
We are increasingly looking like a banana republic. I am becoming more and more sympathetic to Instapundit's prescription for situations like this: They should be hung from the lampposts.
I disagree.
I think felons who are out of prison should be allowed to vote. While it is most likely true that they will vote in ways that are against my preferences, I think it is a good thing to encourage felons to rejoin civil society. Most non-felons don't bother to vote, and ex-felons vote in even fewer numbers, per capita. But to the degree that they want to make a difference in our society through legal methods, I think they should be encouraged.
Disenfranchisement should be reserved for situations where it is truly necessary. If someone is incarcerated, they have been removed from society and it is reasonable to deny them all kinds of the rights that the rest of the citizenry take for granted. But once they have done their time, they need to be given the chance to participate in civil society.
That said, the fact that the governor a of a state can unilaterally make the decision to allow (or disallow) 200,000 voters purely on his own authority is unacceptable. A change like this should go through the political process. It might not come out the way I prefer, but then that is the way things work in a democratic republic.
We are increasingly looking like a banana republic. I am becoming more and more sympathetic to Instapundit's prescription for situations like this: They should be hung from the lampposts.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 22, 2016 10:22 PM (R+30W)
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Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:19 PM (OQ9R7)
Slap, and I have said this so many times, in so many ways, but nobody has ever awed me like you do. Taking a knee here.
Slap, and I have said this so many times, in so many ways, but nobody has ever awed me like you do. Taking a knee here.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:22 PM (EgOr3)
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I'll ask strength for you, Molly k. I'll pray for His knowledge to find you. And find you well.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:22 PM (OQ9R7)
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Happy Murder Your GF and Compost Her Day?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (GEICT)
Yep. Happy Commie scum day. Buy Samsonite for your girlfriend, when only the best will do.
Einhorn put his dead girlfriend in a trunk and left her for ... years. Now here's my thought: how stinky are hippy assholes exactly that a decomposing body doesn't attract attention?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (GEICT)
Yep. Happy Commie scum day. Buy Samsonite for your girlfriend, when only the best will do.
Einhorn put his dead girlfriend in a trunk and left her for ... years. Now here's my thought: how stinky are hippy assholes exactly that a decomposing body doesn't attract attention?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:23 PM (oKE6c)
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I disagree, Oedipus: I think the franchise needs to be limited as far as possible to those who have a stake in the state. Those who have committed felonies are the most obvious people to exclude from the rolls. Until and unless they get an official pardon.
Our problem is not that we have too few citizens voting. Our problem is that we have too many.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm for excluding net-consumers as well.
Our problem is not that we have too few citizens voting. Our problem is that we have too many.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm for excluding net-consumers as well.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:23 PM (CXLVd)
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Speaking of the Supremes, IIRC, it was Gov. Greg Abbott who suggested that SCOTUS decisions be themselves overturned by a majority of states.
Sounds great, except that a) this idea will never be accepted by today's political class and b) there will probably be enough lib-tard state governments that'll throw cold water on this every time.
Still, the effort is appreciated.
Sounds great, except that a) this idea will never be accepted by today's political class and b) there will probably be enough lib-tard state governments that'll throw cold water on this every time.
Still, the effort is appreciated.
Posted by: Thrawn at April 22, 2016 10:23 PM (h6D4A)
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9mm, I'm a CZ guy, can't stand Glocks. But I do have a stash of .45 for when I finally pick up a Dan Wesson or a CZ-97.
But I was thinking rifle, .308, suppressed.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:18 PM (CXLVd)
9mm Glock, .45ACP Glock and SigSauer. No .308 but I do have a 30-06 and a 7.62x54R.
But I was thinking rifle, .308, suppressed.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:18 PM (CXLVd)
9mm Glock, .45ACP Glock and SigSauer. No .308 but I do have a 30-06 and a 7.62x54R.
Posted by: GGE Hades of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 22, 2016 10:23 PM (vbvxt)
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We're screwed. They will do absolutely anything to maintain their hold on power, and we have the GOPe. I picked the wrong year to quit drinking
Posted by: Cooldawg at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (8v0G6)
I haven't stopped drinking, so there's that, but I am thinking about sniffing glue just to be sure!
The GOPe
types, deletes, types, deletes...
hits post
Posted by: Cooldawg at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (8v0G6)
I haven't stopped drinking, so there's that, but I am thinking about sniffing glue just to be sure!
The GOPe
types, deletes, types, deletes...
hits post
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (wYnyS)
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Thank you all and peaches I am going to save that email, I may need it. This has to be the best place ever.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (4aaDj)
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how stinky are hippy assholes exactly that a decomposing body doesn't attract attention?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:23 PM (oKE6c)
Patchouli is a helluva thing.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:23 PM (oKE6c)
Patchouli is a helluva thing.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (GEICT)
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I think felons who are out of prison should be allowed to vote.
Absolutely not. They already evinced piss poor judgment; why should we solicit their views on matters of state?
Absolutely not. They already evinced piss poor judgment; why should we solicit their views on matters of state?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (oKE6c)
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155 Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:19 PM (OQ9R7)
Slap, and I have said this so many times, in so many ways, but nobody has ever awed me like you do. Taking a knee here.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:22 PM (EgOr3)
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Absolutely.
Slap, and I have said this so many times, in so many ways, but nobody has ever awed me like you do. Taking a knee here.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:22 PM (EgOr3)
.........
Absolutely.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:25 PM (4aaDj)
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Neither is taking away a person's right to abortion, to a school of their choice, to fucking Obamacare.
The Supreme Court... I mean, LOL. Just, LOL.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 22, 2016 10:17 PM (6FqZa)
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Okay poor phrasing. Try this: Is it Constitutional? Take the Supreme Court out of the equation.
Neither is taking away a person's right to abortion, to a school of their choice, to fucking Obamacare.
The Supreme Court... I mean, LOL. Just, LOL.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 22, 2016 10:17 PM (6FqZa)
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Okay poor phrasing. Try this: Is it Constitutional? Take the Supreme Court out of the equation.
Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:25 PM (5o5ek)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 10:26 PM (wYnyS)
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There are many other folks here with words of God directly quoted from scripture. Their knowledge and poignant application should direct you further toward your goal.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:26 PM (OQ9R7)
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anyway, gonna go to bed, it's been a long day
thanks for all of your prayers and hopeful thoughts
Posted by: chemjeff at April 22, 2016 10:21 PM (7cG/Z)
Add mine to them, I haven't been around and just found out that your dad was in the hospital. Glad he's doing better.
And now I'm off. Later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!
thanks for all of your prayers and hopeful thoughts
Posted by: chemjeff at April 22, 2016 10:21 PM (7cG/Z)
Add mine to them, I haven't been around and just found out that your dad was in the hospital. Glad he's doing better.
And now I'm off. Later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!
Posted by: GGE Hades of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 22, 2016 10:27 PM (vbvxt)
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Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 22, 2016 10:22 PM (R+30W)
Good points. I think my anger was largely directed at the gov's action. We are a becoming a banana republic and I agree the gov should've handled this via legislative means.
Good points. I think my anger was largely directed at the gov's action. We are a becoming a banana republic and I agree the gov should've handled this via legislative means.
Posted by: CDR M at April 22, 2016 10:27 PM (McoS+)
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Not a trud at all. In fact I bet taking away a person's voting rights wouldn't stand up in the Supreme Court.
Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:16 PM (5o5ek)
No, no, no. Think about it: if a majority of the voters were felons, they could vote to remove criminal penalties.
Even more appositely, a person's breathing rights can be taken away, and that's withstood Supreme Court scrutiny any number of times. Think!
Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:16 PM (5o5ek)
No, no, no. Think about it: if a majority of the voters were felons, they could vote to remove criminal penalties.
Even more appositely, a person's breathing rights can be taken away, and that's withstood Supreme Court scrutiny any number of times. Think!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (oKE6c)
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G'Night, GGE.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (OQ9R7)
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#74: Man Saves Puppy: Good story
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#90: AARRRRGGHHh - to think I trusted someone with the moniker "Country Singer" to post something listenable...!
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Gonna haveta open 'nother beer on that note
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#90: AARRRRGGHHh - to think I trusted someone with the moniker "Country Singer" to post something listenable...!
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Gonna haveta open 'nother beer on that note
Posted by: mindful webworker replying randomly at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (5a8XA)
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So, no luck on the job front yet. I'm fighting the Fuck-Its at my current job, which isn't good. Gonna call the graduate program directors next week and see if there's anything that they can do to help.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (fC9RO)
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I would forgive him because ultimately, I am bound by The Word of God.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:19 PM (OQ9R7)
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I could forgive a rapist in my heart, but that doesn't mean I would walk down a dark alley with him.
I would forgive him because ultimately, I am bound by The Word of God.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:19 PM (OQ9R7)
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I could forgive a rapist in my heart, but that doesn't mean I would walk down a dark alley with him.
Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (5o5ek)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (OQ9R7)
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"9mm Glock, .45ACP Glock and SigSauer. No .308 but I do have a 30-06 and a 7.62x54R."
I think he's saying he gonna start his friend on the basics and work down.
I think he's saying he gonna start his friend on the basics and work down.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (zjXHe)
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Absolutely not. They already evinced piss poor judgment; why should we solicit their views on matters of state?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (oKE6c)
Oh yes, I 'm sure that they're all saying, "Boy, if I had only known I'd lose my right to vote if I got convicted, I'd never have knocked over that liquor store!
Or at least I would have been a whole lot more careful to not get caught!"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (oKE6c)
Oh yes, I 'm sure that they're all saying, "Boy, if I had only known I'd lose my right to vote if I got convicted, I'd never have knocked over that liquor store!
Or at least I would have been a whole lot more careful to not get caught!"
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 10:29 PM (wYnyS)
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Good to see you again Peaches!
Posted by: CDR M at April 22, 2016 10:29 PM (McoS+)
Posted by: Don Quixote, aka BB Wolf, aka Romeo13 at April 22, 2016 10:29 PM (qf6WZ)
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Has to be early, I've got to take off in a few minutes to go get Boy from the skating rink, then off to bed. I have to be up early, I'm joining the gun club and the orientation is tomorrow morning.
Posted by: GGE Hades of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Easy there, turbo! I'm still in the "talkin' 'bout it" stage, lol.
J/k, wasn't even sure if you still lived in the Clayton area. Haven't been on ONTs in a while, and for a bit you dropped the "NC Chapter" from your name, so wasn't even sure if you were still in the state. But yeah, we should hook up sometime. If your club allows guests, I'll bring toys and a 7.62 can and we can have some NFA fun.
There was one ONT a few years back where y'all were out shooting, but I was already drinking and NC takes their DUI laws VERY seriously, and I'm not ready for a repeat of my AoSHQ Lifestyle Experience anytime soon, lol.
Posted by: GGE Hades of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Easy there, turbo! I'm still in the "talkin' 'bout it" stage, lol.
J/k, wasn't even sure if you still lived in the Clayton area. Haven't been on ONTs in a while, and for a bit you dropped the "NC Chapter" from your name, so wasn't even sure if you were still in the state. But yeah, we should hook up sometime. If your club allows guests, I'll bring toys and a 7.62 can and we can have some NFA fun.
There was one ONT a few years back where y'all were out shooting, but I was already drinking and NC takes their DUI laws VERY seriously, and I'm not ready for a repeat of my AoSHQ Lifestyle Experience anytime soon, lol.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:29 PM (CXLVd)
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126 Why aren't the Toronto Maple Leafs spelled Leaves?
It's LJRR Tolkien's fault. Insisted the plural of dwarf was dwarfs. Things just spiraled out of control from there.
Posted by: mindful webworker saying Howdy, y'all! at April 22, 2016 10:13 PM (5a8XA)
So who was the asshole who started the confusion between "lose" and "loose" among the cognitively disenfranchised?
It's LJRR Tolkien's fault. Insisted the plural of dwarf was dwarfs. Things just spiraled out of control from there.
Posted by: mindful webworker saying Howdy, y'all! at April 22, 2016 10:13 PM (5a8XA)
So who was the asshole who started the confusion between "lose" and "loose" among the cognitively disenfranchised?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (voOPb)
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No, no, no. Think about it: if a majority of the voters were felons, they could vote to remove criminal penalties.
Even more appositely, a person's breathing rights can be taken away, and that's withstood Supreme Court scrutiny any number of times. Think!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (oKE6c)
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You're kidding on the first one.
On the second one, forget the Supreme Court. What I meant to say was "Constitutional."
No, no, no. Think about it: if a majority of the voters were felons, they could vote to remove criminal penalties.
Even more appositely, a person's breathing rights can be taken away, and that's withstood Supreme Court scrutiny any number of times. Think!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (oKE6c)
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You're kidding on the first one.
On the second one, forget the Supreme Court. What I meant to say was "Constitutional."
Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (5o5ek)
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"I could forgive a rapist in my heart, but that doesn't mean I would walk down a dark alley with him."
-Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (5o5ek)
There are different levels of Forgiveness. I believe it was Dennis Prager that had a video about it. In fact, I believe Maet featured it on an ONT.
-Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (5o5ek)
There are different levels of Forgiveness. I believe it was Dennis Prager that had a video about it. In fact, I believe Maet featured it on an ONT.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (OQ9R7)
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I could forgive a rapist in my heart, but that doesn't mean I would walk down a dark alley with him.
Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (5o5ek)
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I get the forgiving part, It's the forgetting that trips me up.
Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:28 PM (5o5ek)
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I get the forgiving part, It's the forgetting that trips me up.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (4aaDj)
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Happy Erf Day!
*pours gas on tire*
*lights*
Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2016 09:52 PM
LOL
Both my wife and I remember the first Erf day. We both had teachers that took us outside to pick us trash, nothing wrong with that and we got out of class!
I've been recycling crap since I was a Cub Scout in the 60's. Nothing wrong w/ that.
As a conservative I've always believed in conserving our natural resources. I farmed for 32 yrs, farmers are the best conservationists I know, they take care of the land for the future, I'm talking small farmers, maybe not big corporate operations.
For all you that want to waste money today and do something to protest Earth Day, go for it, it's America.
Waste your money however you want. I'm more inclined to keep my $$$ and not protest in an idiotic fashion that will mean nothing.
*pours gas on tire*
*lights*
Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2016 09:52 PM
LOL
Both my wife and I remember the first Erf day. We both had teachers that took us outside to pick us trash, nothing wrong with that and we got out of class!
I've been recycling crap since I was a Cub Scout in the 60's. Nothing wrong w/ that.
As a conservative I've always believed in conserving our natural resources. I farmed for 32 yrs, farmers are the best conservationists I know, they take care of the land for the future, I'm talking small farmers, maybe not big corporate operations.
For all you that want to waste money today and do something to protest Earth Day, go for it, it's America.
Waste your money however you want. I'm more inclined to keep my $$$ and not protest in an idiotic fashion that will mean nothing.
Posted by: Farmer at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (o/90i)
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Patchouli is a helluva thing.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (GEICT)
Damn straight she is!
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (GEICT)
Damn straight she is!
Posted by: Remilia Scarlet at April 22, 2016 10:31 PM (vBeA5)
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Posted by: CDR M at April 22, 2016 10:27 PM (McoS+)
Government by "Executive Action" is the hallmark of a tyranny, sometimes more graciously known as a banana republic!
Government by "Executive Action" is the hallmark of a tyranny, sometimes more graciously known as a banana republic!
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 10:31 PM (wYnyS)
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Sit Ubu sit. Good dog.
Posted by: Classic TV End Credits at April 22, 2016 10:31 PM (gwG9s)
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CDR M! So excellent to see you, too, my friend! I've been mostly lurking, just to stay out of trouble. But love your ONTs!
Fingers are now getting very hard to manage. Off to the teevee and the puffin'. Love you all, truly, madly, deeply.
Fingers are now getting very hard to manage. Off to the teevee and the puffin'. Love you all, truly, madly, deeply.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:34 PM (EgOr3)
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Stay in touch Peaches!
Posted by: CDR M at April 22, 2016 10:34 PM (McoS+)
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Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (wYnyS)
Glue...? Hmmm. "It's a twister, it's a twister" lol
Glue...? Hmmm. "It's a twister, it's a twister" lol
Posted by: Cooldawg at April 22, 2016 10:34 PM (8v0G6)
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Someday I hope there are some GOP president/governors just start handing down EOs. I say what's good for the goose is good for the gander. It's obvious dems don't care about rule of law
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:35 PM (voOPb)
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I get the forgiving part, It's the forgetting that trips me up.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (4aaDj)
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Exactly.
I know zilch about your dad, but I've observed this thing and in other father-daughter relationships (not sure why it's that relationship, but it is). It's a man who wants to have his cake and eat it, too. "Enjoy" years of abusing and belittling a daughter, and then have a caring (one-way) daddy-daughter relationship at the end of his life. "It's up to you to forgive me. Everything would be fine if you would forgive me."
I get the forgiving part, It's the forgetting that trips me up.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (4aaDj)
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Exactly.
I know zilch about your dad, but I've observed this thing and in other father-daughter relationships (not sure why it's that relationship, but it is). It's a man who wants to have his cake and eat it, too. "Enjoy" years of abusing and belittling a daughter, and then have a caring (one-way) daddy-daughter relationship at the end of his life. "It's up to you to forgive me. Everything would be fine if you would forgive me."
Posted by: iforgot at April 22, 2016 10:35 PM (5o5ek)
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I should be in bed but Mr k just called and told me he expects supper so I guess I will wait for his sorry ass to get home, In the meantime I will comment on the felons voting. Heck no. Actions have concequences. I also think if you are still a child at 26 draining your parents bank account you aren't responsible enough to vote either.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:36 PM (4aaDj)
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I get the forgiving part, It's the forgetting that trips me up.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (4aaDj)
My sister has put me through nine miles of bad road in the last 15 months with my dad. I think you do have to go through it, to get clear on the other side but, please know, it is normal and totes okay to have resentments and anger. Just accept it and find a way to either let it go or let compassion overcome it for the time it takes. Which, omg, can seem like forever.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (4aaDj)
My sister has put me through nine miles of bad road in the last 15 months with my dad. I think you do have to go through it, to get clear on the other side but, please know, it is normal and totes okay to have resentments and anger. Just accept it and find a way to either let it go or let compassion overcome it for the time it takes. Which, omg, can seem like forever.
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:36 PM (EgOr3)
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152 WASHINGTON -- Suicide in the United States has surged to the highest levels in nearly 30 years, a federal data analysis has found, with increases in every age group except older adults. The rise was particularly steep for women. It was also substantial among middle-aged Americans, sending a signal of deep anguish from a group whose suicide rates had been stable or falling since the 1950s.
Hope and Change ? ... OK ... Hopeless Change
Posted by: James T Kirk at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (e8kgV)
When you are programmed to live your life with a philosophy that denies objective reality...
It causes despair... because you CAN'T win...
When you fight an imaginary injustice caused by an nonexistent enemy.... you CAN'T win... and thus things look hopeless...
The more society teaches our children that they SHOULD believe in nonsense... the more at risk they are for suicide...
and I speak from personal experience...
Hope and Change ? ... OK ... Hopeless Change
Posted by: James T Kirk at April 22, 2016 10:20 PM (e8kgV)
When you are programmed to live your life with a philosophy that denies objective reality...
It causes despair... because you CAN'T win...
When you fight an imaginary injustice caused by an nonexistent enemy.... you CAN'T win... and thus things look hopeless...
The more society teaches our children that they SHOULD believe in nonsense... the more at risk they are for suicide...
and I speak from personal experience...
Posted by: Don Quixote, aka BB Wolf, aka Romeo13 at April 22, 2016 10:37 PM (qf6WZ)
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You're kidding on the first one.
Actually, I wasn't kidding: I was speaking to the principle. As a practical matter, even in Democrat-infested areas, felons will be a minority. But in principle, they could represent a majority, and therefore (again in principle) vote to remove penalties for criminal behavior.
The principle - and the point - being that we should not consider - much less solicit - the judgment those who've already shown appallingly bad judgment.
Actually, I wasn't kidding: I was speaking to the principle. As a practical matter, even in Democrat-infested areas, felons will be a minority. But in principle, they could represent a majority, and therefore (again in principle) vote to remove penalties for criminal behavior.
The principle - and the point - being that we should not consider - much less solicit - the judgment those who've already shown appallingly bad judgment.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:37 PM (oKE6c)
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>>>I get the forgiving part, It's the forgetting that trips me up.
I've been in a situation of the forgive/forget thing.
You never forget. But forgiveness and time smooths the jagged edges
I've been in a situation of the forgive/forget thing.
You never forget. But forgiveness and time smooths the jagged edges
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:37 PM (voOPb)
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Maple Leafs... Made me think of that "leaf blower" pic that was a thang some years back. GoOgle "maple leaf blower" and behold!
Posted by: Zettai "Not A Canadian" Ryoiki at April 22, 2016 10:37 PM (kP16F)
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Peaches, new animals, same terrain. You know the drill.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:38 PM (zjXHe)
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Apropos of nothing, but a gay man was hired as a salesman by my employer. He's been away for a couple, so I asked if he'd already been fired (happens frequently) but, no, apparently he's participating in a cheerleading competition.
Must admit I chuckled when I heard that at least it's not the white, right-wing racist h8r perpetuating stereotypes.
I suppose if I woman is to be picked up by her hoo-ha it's best if the guy picking her up is indifferent to hoo-has.
Back to the regularly scheduled stuff.
Must admit I chuckled when I heard that at least it's not the white, right-wing racist h8r perpetuating stereotypes.
I suppose if I woman is to be picked up by her hoo-ha it's best if the guy picking her up is indifferent to hoo-has.
Back to the regularly scheduled stuff.
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 22, 2016 10:39 PM (4rzL1)
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Absolutely not. They already evinced piss poor judgment; why should we solicit their views on matters of state?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (oKE6c)
I agree completely.
And my son is an ex-felon. Hell no he shouldn't be allowed to vote, or own a gun, for that matter. He should have thought of all that before he broke the law.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:24 PM (oKE6c)
I agree completely.
And my son is an ex-felon. Hell no he shouldn't be allowed to vote, or own a gun, for that matter. He should have thought of all that before he broke the law.
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 10:39 PM (9n14Y)
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Good night to all!
Posted by: Vendette at April 22, 2016 10:39 PM (HRFV2)
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Nite Vendette
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:40 PM (voOPb)
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I am way too hammered to keep going on this but, Molly, forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. And you are so worth it. Get that monkey off your back, sweetie, it's not your friend and your life will be lived forward, not backward. xoxo and {{{{{{}}}}}
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:42 PM (EgOr3)
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203 Apropos of nothing, but a gay man was hired as a salesman by my employer. He's been away for a couple, so I asked if he'd already been fired (happens frequently) but, no, apparently he's participating in a cheerleading competition.
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I laughed. I can actually picture him
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I laughed. I can actually picture him
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:43 PM (4aaDj)
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Just got here, perusing the comments when I see a Peaches posting, or 3.
Yea Peaches! More please.
Yea Peaches! More please.
Posted by: tbodie at April 22, 2016 10:43 PM (hJ+K2)
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So who was the asshole who started the confusion between "lose" and "loose" among the cognitively disenfranchised?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (oKE6c)
Clint Eastwood made a movie about this: Every Which Way But Loose
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (oKE6c)
Clint Eastwood made a movie about this: Every Which Way But Loose
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 10:43 PM (J3UIw)
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Good Night, Peaches!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:44 PM (OQ9R7)
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And Chemjeff, prayers for your Dad, you and the family.
Posted by: tbodie at April 22, 2016 10:45 PM (hJ+K2)
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"I am way too hammered to keep going on this but, Molly, forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. And you are so worth it. Get that monkey off your back, sweetie, it's not your friend and your life will be lived forward, not backward. xoxo and {{{{{{}}}}}"
This is good advice. You do need to get hammered ever so on. Good for the soul.
This is good advice. You do need to get hammered ever so on. Good for the soul.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:45 PM (zjXHe)
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hi all, I am here at my parent's house
dad is doing fine now, resting at the hospital now
he should be discharged tomorrow
anyway, gonna go to bed, it's been a long day
thanks for all of your prayers and hopeful thoughts
Posted by: chemjeff at April 22, 2016 10:21 PM
Good to know, be well, you and your folks.
T
dad is doing fine now, resting at the hospital now
he should be discharged tomorrow
anyway, gonna go to bed, it's been a long day
thanks for all of your prayers and hopeful thoughts
Posted by: chemjeff at April 22, 2016 10:21 PM
Good to know, be well, you and your folks.
T
Posted by: Farmer at April 22, 2016 10:45 PM (o/90i)
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I think he's saying he gonna start his friend on the basics and work down.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
Exactly! You're good people, RK!
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
Exactly! You're good people, RK!
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:45 PM (CXLVd)
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'Night, sweet darlins. Love you, miss you. Not my fault that Ace goes batshit mental over my potus choice. bwahahahaha!
Posted by: Peaches, cautiously dipping a toe in the pool at April 22, 2016 10:45 PM (EgOr3)
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Skol!"
Vodka or dip?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:59 PM (zjXHe)
Back in the day...... both.
Vodka or dip?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 09:59 PM (zjXHe)
Back in the day...... both.
Posted by: tbodie at April 22, 2016 10:46 PM (hJ+K2)
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So guy cheerleaders are ghey. Who knew?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:46 PM (voOPb)
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Nite Peaches
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:47 PM (voOPb)
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This is good advice. You do need to get hammered ever so on. Good for the soul.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:45 PM (zjXHe)
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Just when you think you have gotten the best advice ever and can get through your dilemma someone shows up with EVEN better advice
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:45 PM (zjXHe)
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Just when you think you have gotten the best advice ever and can get through your dilemma someone shows up with EVEN better advice
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:47 PM (4aaDj)
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#59 Damn Maple Lead Regiment came down here looking to jack our syrup but we showed them by cracky!
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at April 22, 2016 10:49 PM (k+w3u)
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194 "Someday I hope there are some GOP president/governors just start handing down EOs. I say what's good for the goose is good for the gander. It's obvious dems don't care about rule of law"
You bet. At one time, I would never have been in favor of lawlessness on either side, but I've had enough. The constant trolling, dishonesty,,, tyranny. It changes us and not in a good way.
If we had some honorable and passionate representation, it would make all the difference.
But we have,,,, the GOPe.
You bet. At one time, I would never have been in favor of lawlessness on either side, but I've had enough. The constant trolling, dishonesty,,, tyranny. It changes us and not in a good way.
If we had some honorable and passionate representation, it would make all the difference.
But we have,,,, the GOPe.
Posted by: Cooldawg at April 22, 2016 10:49 PM (8v0G6)
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I agree completely.
And my son is an ex-felon. Hell no he shouldn't be allowed to vote, or own a gun, for that matter. He should have thought of all that before he broke the law.
Posted by: antisocialist
Not sure what your son did (and not asking), but is whatever he did worth spending the rest of his life in jail or being executed by the state? That's my point, which I'm probably not making very well.
If what he did is so bad, why is he back on the streets? Was it worth classifying as a Felony, or should it have been a Very Serious Misdemeanor With Jail-time?
And my son is an ex-felon. Hell no he shouldn't be allowed to vote, or own a gun, for that matter. He should have thought of all that before he broke the law.
Posted by: antisocialist
Not sure what your son did (and not asking), but is whatever he did worth spending the rest of his life in jail or being executed by the state? That's my point, which I'm probably not making very well.
If what he did is so bad, why is he back on the streets? Was it worth classifying as a Felony, or should it have been a Very Serious Misdemeanor With Jail-time?
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:49 PM (CXLVd)
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Just when you think you have gotten the best advice ever and can get through your dilemma someone shows up with EVEN better advice
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:47 PM (4aaDj)
^^^^
"My advice to you - is to begin drinking heavily."
---Bluto Blutarski
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:47 PM (4aaDj)
^^^^
"My advice to you - is to begin drinking heavily."
---Bluto Blutarski
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 10:50 PM (9n14Y)
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218 So guy cheerleaders are ghey. Who knew?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:46 PM (voOPb)
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The best cheerleader at our University was a male. Blonde and flaming. He went to my zumba class and one day stood next to me. Put me to shame.
218 So guy cheerleaders are ghey. Who knew?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:46 PM (voOPb)
.......
The best cheerleader at our University was a male. Blonde and flaming. He went to my zumba class and one day stood next to me. Put me to shame.
Posted by: Molly k at April 22, 2016 10:50 PM (4aaDj)
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Babe on our left in Astronaut pic is a dead ringer for Karen Fairchild, lead singer of of Little Big Town.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: AmeriDan at April 22, 2016 10:51 PM (MBcwq)
Posted by: mindful webworker spewing nonsense as usual at April 22, 2016 10:51 PM (5a8XA)
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In honor of "Earth Day", El Rey network is showinga Toxic Avenger marathon through most of the weekend.
Posted by: The Toxic Hat at April 22, 2016 10:51 PM (vBeA5)
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I'm sad that Peaches has gone. But it is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at-all!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:52 PM (OQ9R7)
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If what he did is so bad, why is he back on the
streets? Was it worth classifying as a Felony, or should it have been a
Very Serious Misdemeanor With Jail-time?
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:49 PM (CXLVd)
Hello? Leslie Van Houten is even money to be back on the streets, with only Jerry Brown standing between her and freedom. She only participated in a few gruesome murders, or as some would have it, a Very Serious Misdemeanor with Jail-Time.
DO think before writing stuff like this, please.
streets? Was it worth classifying as a Felony, or should it have been a
Very Serious Misdemeanor With Jail-time?
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:49 PM (CXLVd)
Hello? Leslie Van Houten is even money to be back on the streets, with only Jerry Brown standing between her and freedom. She only participated in a few gruesome murders, or as some would have it, a Very Serious Misdemeanor with Jail-Time.
DO think before writing stuff like this, please.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:53 PM (oKE6c)
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If what he did is so bad, why is he back on the streets? Was it worth classifying as a Felony, or should it have been a Very Serious Misdemeanor With Jail-time?
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:49 PM (CXLVd)
Oh, it was a Felony, all right. And he's on probation for the next six years. All but unemployable because he has a record and this is a very small town. Totally dependent on me, because he's not my proudest achievement but he's still my kid.
Sometimes I wish they'd kept him locked up. Which makes me feel like a total bitch.
Anyway...
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 10:49 PM (CXLVd)
Oh, it was a Felony, all right. And he's on probation for the next six years. All but unemployable because he has a record and this is a very small town. Totally dependent on me, because he's not my proudest achievement but he's still my kid.
Sometimes I wish they'd kept him locked up. Which makes me feel like a total bitch.
Anyway...
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 10:54 PM (9n14Y)
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So can Martha Stewart actually not vote because of that flaky "insider trading" conviction?
Or own a gun?
Or own a gun?
Posted by: or is that somehow different? at April 22, 2016 10:54 PM (uZiCD)
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I've had a rocky relationship for decades with my father as well. What I think is his undiagnosed mental illness is only partially a reason, not an excuse. I'll never forget being in counseling right after my parents got divorced, with the same guy who was counseling my dad, and having the counselor tell us kids we had to help our dad grow up. Yeah, right. The biggest issue for me is him getting a little too... physical once with me. I kept trying to forgive and be a better person after that, but eventually he'd just hurt me again, and then one Christmas, both my young daughter and myself were in his garage sobbing because of stuff he'd said, and nope. That was it.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 22, 2016 10:55 PM (FQKBL)
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Good evening, good people. Nice sweet Spring day here today. Went and got the Toy out of storage this afternoon. Lit right off just as though it had run an hour ago.
Unfortunately, the water pump barfed itself on the way home. Apparently the impeller seal didn't like the inactivity and died. Advance had a new (not rebuilt) pump for a 68 440, praise be.
Now comes the detailing and general cleanup,
Good evening, good people. Nice sweet Spring day here today. Went and got the Toy out of storage this afternoon. Lit right off just as though it had run an hour ago.
Unfortunately, the water pump barfed itself on the way home. Apparently the impeller seal didn't like the inactivity and died. Advance had a new (not rebuilt) pump for a 68 440, praise be.
Now comes the detailing and general cleanup,
Posted by: irongrampa at April 22, 2016 10:55 PM (P/8aq)
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218 So guy cheerleaders are ghey. Who knew?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:46 PM (voOPb)
Gay or complete man whores/sluts. No in between.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 10:46 PM (voOPb)
Gay or complete man whores/sluts. No in between.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 22, 2016 10:56 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 22, 2016 10:56 PM (zjXHe)
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Oh, it was a Felony, all right. And he's on probation for the next six years. All but unemployable because he has a record and this is a very small town. Totally dependent on me, because he's not my proudest achievement but he's still my kid.
Sometimes I wish they'd kept him locked up. Which makes me feel like a total bitch.
Anyway...
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 10:54 PM (9n14Y)
That must be tough, to be torn between parental affection and the obligations of a citizen. I truly sympathize.
Sometimes I wish they'd kept him locked up. Which makes me feel like a total bitch.
Anyway...
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 10:54 PM (9n14Y)
That must be tough, to be torn between parental affection and the obligations of a citizen. I truly sympathize.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:57 PM (oKE6c)
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So guy cheerleaders are ghey. Who knew?
Uh, no. Check out this dude from Phillips Andover '64. crew cut and all:
http://tinyurl.com/35ozvh
Uh, no. Check out this dude from Phillips Andover '64. crew cut and all:
http://tinyurl.com/35ozvh
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 22, 2016 10:57 PM (3C9q2)
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I think to get the difference between felony and misdemeanor, we need to go back before the days of the penitentiary:
Misdemeanor--we put you in the stocks and knock you down some in the social pecking order via public humiliation.
Felony--"...hang until dead."
In other word, a felony was something that justified your removal from society, which, since extra resources did not exist for long-term incarceration, meant a removal from life. What justifies a return, then, if we start off with the idea of a felony not as something that is your starter crime to be forgiven, but a red line whose crossing means death?
Misdemeanor--we put you in the stocks and knock you down some in the social pecking order via public humiliation.
Felony--"...hang until dead."
In other word, a felony was something that justified your removal from society, which, since extra resources did not exist for long-term incarceration, meant a removal from life. What justifies a return, then, if we start off with the idea of a felony not as something that is your starter crime to be forgiven, but a red line whose crossing means death?
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 10:57 PM (J3UIw)
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228 In honor of "Earth Day", El Rey network is showinga Toxic Avenger marathon through most of the weekend.
Posted by: The Toxic Hat at April 22, 2016 10:51 PM (vBeA5)
I only saw the 1st Toxic Avenger - not bad at all, especially for a Troma flick.
My first intro to the movie, not the cartoon, was a post Ace put up awhile back about the scene where Toxie rips the arm off a guy who wants to rape Toxie's soon-to-be girlfriend (who is blind). That guy was actually missing an arm IRL.
Zach Synder did a similar thing with his Dawn of the Dead movie, hiring people who are missing limbs to act as zombies (the leg-less zombie in the parking garage, the one-armed jogger zombie when the survivors get into the mall).
Posted by: The Toxic Hat at April 22, 2016 10:51 PM (vBeA5)
I only saw the 1st Toxic Avenger - not bad at all, especially for a Troma flick.
My first intro to the movie, not the cartoon, was a post Ace put up awhile back about the scene where Toxie rips the arm off a guy who wants to rape Toxie's soon-to-be girlfriend (who is blind). That guy was actually missing an arm IRL.
Zach Synder did a similar thing with his Dawn of the Dead movie, hiring people who are missing limbs to act as zombies (the leg-less zombie in the parking garage, the one-armed jogger zombie when the survivors get into the mall).
Posted by: Thrawn at April 22, 2016 10:59 PM (h6D4A)
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97 Howdy, y'all!!!
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 09:51 PM
You OK after the fall you took at the neighbors? You know this sheet doesn't get any easier when we got older. Hope you're doing fine.
Posted by: Farmer at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (o/90i)
Last night wasn't bad, but I was achin' today. Still, don't expect any permanent damage to result. Thanks for asking.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 09:51 PM
You OK after the fall you took at the neighbors? You know this sheet doesn't get any easier when we got older. Hope you're doing fine.
Posted by: Farmer at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (o/90i)
Last night wasn't bad, but I was achin' today. Still, don't expect any permanent damage to result. Thanks for asking.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 10:59 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 10:59 PM (OQ9R7)
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227 ..who started the confusion between "lose" and "loose"..?
To-lose La-trek?
Posted by: mindful webworker spewing nonsense as usual at April 22, 2016 10:51 PM (5a8XA)
Didn't he write "We have nothing to loose but our chains?" Or was that the Marquis de Sade?
To-lose La-trek?
Posted by: mindful webworker spewing nonsense as usual at April 22, 2016 10:51 PM (5a8XA)
Didn't he write "We have nothing to loose but our chains?" Or was that the Marquis de Sade?
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:00 PM (J3UIw)
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Both Jay Guevara and antisocialist...I think you're both missing my point.
You seem to be taking it that I'm saying "they should be absolved".
I'm not.
I'm asking, "why are they back on the streets?"
You seem to be taking it that I'm saying "they should be absolved".
I'm not.
I'm asking, "why are they back on the streets?"
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:01 PM (CXLVd)
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Didn't he write "We have nothing to loose but our chains?" Or was that the Marquis de Sade?
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:00 PM (J3UIw)
What a looser.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:00 PM (J3UIw)
What a looser.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:01 PM (oKE6c)
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Barb, it's tough isn't it? One good thing I learned from this whole rotten relationship was how to treat my children. I don't think I could get either to not want to talk to me every day. I'll admit maybe I made things too easy for them but they love me.
Posted by: Molly k. at April 22, 2016 11:01 PM (4aaDj)
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Northern Lurker, are you still here?
My daughter is planning to go to Uganda this summer on a mission trip.
IIRC, you were there recently.
Should I be sweating bullets?!?
My daughter is planning to go to Uganda this summer on a mission trip.
IIRC, you were there recently.
Should I be sweating bullets?!?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2016 11:02 PM (T/5A0)
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You seem to be taking it that I'm saying "they should be absolved".
I'm not.
I'm asking, "why are they back on the streets?"
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:01 PM (CXLVd)
You're right - I misunderstood the import of your comment. My apologies.
I'm not.
I'm asking, "why are they back on the streets?"
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:01 PM (CXLVd)
You're right - I misunderstood the import of your comment. My apologies.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:02 PM (oKE6c)
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Karen Fairchild, lead singer of of Little Big Town.
Just sayin'.
She's worth following on Facebook. Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
She's worth following on Facebook. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:02 PM (CXLVd)
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This looks like a fun AR accessory spendy but cool.
The can Cannon which uses blanks to launch a full soda can up to 100 yards.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zgoel2u To Manufacturers site
http://preview.tinyurl.com/oqkvujx a youtube of a couple guys using it
The can Cannon which uses blanks to launch a full soda can up to 100 yards.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zgoel2u To Manufacturers site
http://preview.tinyurl.com/oqkvujx a youtube of a couple guys using it
Posted by: Willy J. at April 22, 2016 11:02 PM (zLLv8)
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That must be tough, to be torn between parental affection and the obligations of a citizen. I truly sympathize.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:57 PM (oKE6c)
Yeah. Also creates friction between me and my husband, who is not his bio-dad.
Also doesn't help that my son is what they term "educable, but mentally handicapped", which means he's 33 years old but functions at about 15 years of age.
Oh well. It is what it, well, is.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:57 PM (oKE6c)
Yeah. Also creates friction between me and my husband, who is not his bio-dad.
Also doesn't help that my son is what they term "educable, but mentally handicapped", which means he's 33 years old but functions at about 15 years of age.
Oh well. It is what it, well, is.
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (9n14Y)
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Oh hell.
Society should punish, and when the punishment is complete, the felon should be able to return to society with full rights.
Yeah....fvck you too.
Society should punish, and when the punishment is complete, the felon should be able to return to society with full rights.
Yeah....fvck you too.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (Zu3d9)
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Loose and lose are almost as abused as breath and breathe.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (OQ9R7)
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Hey everybody. Happy Friday.
Just had to share this re Prince... there are people who believe (I think, with some justification) that the below song, of all places, was where he discovered "Purple Rain" from. Listen to the words...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjgCqbPGq2A
Just had to share this re Prince... there are people who believe (I think, with some justification) that the below song, of all places, was where he discovered "Purple Rain" from. Listen to the words...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjgCqbPGq2A
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (ntObR)
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"Oh, if you have clear skies tonight, you can catch the peak of the Lyrid Meteor Shower."
I knew there was some reason it picked tonight to rain for the first time in months....
I knew there was some reason it picked tonight to rain for the first time in months....
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at April 22, 2016 11:04 PM (9ltS8)
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Well my drunk coinhabitor just showed up so gonna make him a special bologna sandwich and call it a night. Thanks again all.
Posted by: Molly k. at April 22, 2016 11:04 PM (4aaDj)
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255 shoot!?
100 million guns.
200 million owners.
trillions of youndsBullets
i fuck'n hate tyrenny
Posted by: bury my own cat at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (AG7GB)
Liberals sometimes play lose with the facts....
100 million guns.
200 million owners.
trillions of youndsBullets
i fuck'n hate tyrenny
Posted by: bury my own cat at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (AG7GB)
Liberals sometimes play lose with the facts....
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:04 PM (J3UIw)
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>>>I'm asking, "why are they back on the streets?"
Felons don't have to be locked away forever
Just because you are released doesn't mean you shouldn't have a punishment of not voting
If f,Leon's are to vote it should be passed by legislature and signed by executive
What McCauloff did was wrong.
Felons don't have to be locked away forever
Just because you are released doesn't mean you shouldn't have a punishment of not voting
If f,Leon's are to vote it should be passed by legislature and signed by executive
What McCauloff did was wrong.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:04 PM (voOPb)
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Molly, I've definitely learned a lot from the issues with my own parents, that have made me a better parent to my own two daughters. I've had to roll with some stuff, because both of them are very strong-willed, but they want to have a relationship with me too, so we work on it together (they're 20 and 17.)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 22, 2016 11:04 PM (FQKBL)
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"Society should punish, and when the punishment is complete, the felon should be able to return to society with full rights.
Yeah....fvck you too."
-Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (Zu3d9)
I agree, although it should be left to the States.
Yeah....fvck you too."
-Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (Zu3d9)
I agree, although it should be left to the States.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:05 PM (OQ9R7)
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239 I think to get the difference between felony and misdemeanor, we need to go back before the days of the penitentiary:
Misdemeanor--we put you in the stocks and knock you down some in the social pecking order via public humiliation.
Felony--"...hang until dead."
Thank you for stating it so much better than I apparently have.
Misdemeanor--we put you in the stocks and knock you down some in the social pecking order via public humiliation.
Felony--"...hang until dead."
Thank you for stating it so much better than I apparently have.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:05 PM (CXLVd)
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She only participated in a few gruesome murders, or as some would have it, a Very Serious Misdemeanor with Jail-Time.
DO think before writing stuff like this, please.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:53 PM (oKE6c)
Blame the California Supreme Court. She was sentenced to death until the Death Penalty was overturned.
DO think before writing stuff like this, please.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:53 PM (oKE6c)
Blame the California Supreme Court. She was sentenced to death until the Death Penalty was overturned.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 22, 2016 11:05 PM (fC9RO)
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Nite Molly
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:05 PM (voOPb)
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Evening horde
Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:05 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:06 PM (OQ9R7)
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Yeah because the provincial govt just gets the $1000 from the money tree, and it doesn't cost taxpayers anything.
And it's actually taxpayers in the Rest of Canada paying for it too, Moo Moo, because Quebec gets a massive amount more in money from the federal government than it takes in from Quebeckers in taxes in what are called "federal transfer payments."
And it's actually taxpayers in the Rest of Canada paying for it too, Moo Moo, because Quebec gets a massive amount more in money from the federal government than it takes in from Quebeckers in taxes in what are called "federal transfer payments."
Posted by: andycanuck at April 22, 2016 11:06 PM (jVvcc)
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(AG7GB) = Drunken Troll.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:07 PM (OQ9R7)
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Unfortunately, the water pump barfed itself on the way home. Apparently the impeller seal didn't like the inactivity and died. Advance had a new (not rebuilt) pump for a 68 440, praise be.
Firing up the big, dinosaur juice thirsty 440 on erf day. Perfect!
Raining here otherwise I would've taken the Camaro for a erf day spin. Kind of a hassle this time of year however, due to flakey elect choke on the Holley. The Z doesn't care much for her new northern Indiana home in early spring- found her down in SC.
Firing up the big, dinosaur juice thirsty 440 on erf day. Perfect!
Raining here otherwise I would've taken the Camaro for a erf day spin. Kind of a hassle this time of year however, due to flakey elect choke on the Holley. The Z doesn't care much for her new northern Indiana home in early spring- found her down in SC.
Posted by: Cooldawg at April 22, 2016 11:07 PM (8v0G6)
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254 Loose and lose are almost as abused as breath and breathe.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (OQ9R7)
Yep. And let's not forget the grocers' apostrophe.
The amazing thing there is that people don't use apostrophes at random (which would be understandable); rather, they consistently use them where they don't belong, and omit them where they DO belong.
I used to jocularly suggest that those so afflicted do the opposite of what they thought was correct, and they'd then be almost entirely right.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (OQ9R7)
Yep. And let's not forget the grocers' apostrophe.
The amazing thing there is that people don't use apostrophes at random (which would be understandable); rather, they consistently use them where they don't belong, and omit them where they DO belong.
I used to jocularly suggest that those so afflicted do the opposite of what they thought was correct, and they'd then be almost entirely right.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (ntObR)
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I'm asking, "why are they back on the streets?"
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:01 PM (CXLVd)
No, I understand what you're asking.
And I can't honestly answer you, especially not with most of a tall, cold beer in me. But - well, I don't trust my son's judgement. If the law said he could vote, that would be that. But, he can't, and I'm fine with that.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:01 PM (CXLVd)
No, I understand what you're asking.
And I can't honestly answer you, especially not with most of a tall, cold beer in me. But - well, I don't trust my son's judgement. If the law said he could vote, that would be that. But, he can't, and I'm fine with that.
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (9n14Y)
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For some reason everybody seems to be writing "conscience" as "conscious." It drives me insane. Then again, the greater society does seem to push your own "consciousness" over actually having a "conscience." That, and what I call functional illiteracy.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (FQKBL)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (voOPb)
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#194 GOPever does that you'll see the Dem-dominated federal courts rev up like a Big Daddy Roth hot rod...
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at April 22, 2016 11:09 PM (k+w3u)
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Oh hell.
Society should punish, and when the punishment is complete, the felon should be able to return to society with full rights.
Yeah....fvck you too.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Not sure if serious? Actually, I don't even know what you're saying (which is weird, considering your awesome weekend cob posts)...
Society should punish, and when the punishment is complete, the felon should be able to return to society with full rights.
Yeah....fvck you too.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Not sure if serious? Actually, I don't even know what you're saying (which is weird, considering your awesome weekend cob posts)...
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:09 PM (CXLVd)
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Loose and lose are almost as abused as breath and breathe.
Not to mention the past tense of the verb "to lead," which is "led," not "lead." Yes, I know a lot of people misspell it because "led" is pronounced the same as a certain heavy metal, but it's still annoying to see this mistake over and over again in supposedly reputable online publications (including medical journals).
Not to mention the past tense of the verb "to lead," which is "led," not "lead." Yes, I know a lot of people misspell it because "led" is pronounced the same as a certain heavy metal, but it's still annoying to see this mistake over and over again in supposedly reputable online publications (including medical journals).
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 22, 2016 11:09 PM (3C9q2)
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276 For some reason everybody seems to be writing "conscience" as "conscious." It drives me insane. Then again, the greater society does seem to push your own "consciousness" over actually having a "conscience." That, and what I call functional illiteracy.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (FQKBL)
This dimness is because many are consciousness objectors....
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (FQKBL)
This dimness is because many are consciousness objectors....
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:10 PM (J3UIw)
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Well my drunk coinhabitor just showed up so gonna make him a special bologna sandwich and call it a night. Thanks again all.
Posted by: Molly k.
If that means what I think it means, that's really f'n hot...
Posted by: Molly k.
If that means what I think it means, that's really f'n hot...
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:10 PM (CXLVd)
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qdpsteve, is the St. John's Wort Oil not helping anymore? I got interested when I saw that, because my eldest daughter gets sciatica so badly that she can hardly walk, sometimes.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 22, 2016 11:10 PM (FQKBL)
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MH - Good. Relaxing after hitting the gym, gonna chill for a bit and hit the sack earlier than normal. Busy weekend afoot, gonna be busy almost all morning and part of the afternoon tomorrow, can't get lit Saturday night because I'll be spending half my Sunday in BFE.
Then when the week starts I'll be on call from Tuesday to Tuesday nuking another weekend. Awesome.
All that aside, I'm doing great, you?
Then when the week starts I'll be on call from Tuesday to Tuesday nuking another weekend. Awesome.
All that aside, I'm doing great, you?
Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:11 PM (R5HRU)
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Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (FQKBL)
Con-shun-s= Con-science
yeah....my 3rd grade teacher taught me that about 45 year ago.
Con-shun-s= Con-science
yeah....my 3rd grade teacher taught me that about 45 year ago.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:11 PM (Zu3d9)
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Blame the California Supreme Court. She was sentenced to death until the Death Penalty was overturned.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 22, 2016 11:05 PM (fC9RO)
Oh, I do. Trust me, I do. The failure of Rose Bird to be reconfirmed was one of the few occasions that nourished my black, shriveled heart.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 22, 2016 11:05 PM (fC9RO)
Oh, I do. Trust me, I do. The failure of Rose Bird to be reconfirmed was one of the few occasions that nourished my black, shriveled heart.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:11 PM (oKE6c)
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Barb, the oil's going wobbly on me.
I do have an appointment with my doctor on Tuesday, thank God. Hope I can manage the pain until then.
I do have an appointment with my doctor on Tuesday, thank God. Hope I can manage the pain until then.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:11 PM (ntObR)
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I used to jocularly suggest that those so afflicted do the opposite of what they thought was correct, and they'd then be almost entirely right.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (oKE6c)
****
I have to use my admittedly limited neural capacity to get shit exactly right at work.
When I'm just blowing off steam and having fun, just getting the idea across is good enough for me. You know?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (oKE6c)
****
I have to use my admittedly limited neural capacity to get shit exactly right at work.
When I'm just blowing off steam and having fun, just getting the idea across is good enough for me. You know?
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:12 PM (J109V)
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I may have asked for trouble today by putting on some oil, then doing some semi-serious walking which appears to have re-inflamed my left leg.
Won't make that mistake tomorrow, hopefully that will help.
Won't make that mistake tomorrow, hopefully that will help.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:13 PM (ntObR)
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Learning spelling in 3rd grade, CBD? What a novel idea!
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 22, 2016 11:13 PM (FQKBL)
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I expect one of our Canuck friends to tell us
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (voOPb)
As the link stated, they were named after a regiment by that name, and a proper noun ending in "_eaf" simply gets pluralized by adding an "s" at the end, rather than changing form to "_eaves".
Of course, what they failed to mention is that "Maple Leaf" as a team name, is every bit as much a proper noun as is "Maple Leaf" as the name of a regiment, so that fact, while interesting, is not the proximate cause of the plural taking that form.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 09:50 PM (voOPb)
As the link stated, they were named after a regiment by that name, and a proper noun ending in "_eaf" simply gets pluralized by adding an "s" at the end, rather than changing form to "_eaves".
Of course, what they failed to mention is that "Maple Leaf" as a team name, is every bit as much a proper noun as is "Maple Leaf" as the name of a regiment, so that fact, while interesting, is not the proximate cause of the plural taking that form.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:13 PM (UsLZp)
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I have been reading about how some yoga poses can really help with the pain. Will probably try that next.
Great week for my spangled unitard to be in the wash.
Great week for my spangled unitard to be in the wash.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:14 PM (ntObR)
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Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:09 PM (CXLVd)
I am saying that a lifetime ban on full participation in society is unjust if the penalty is less than life imprisonment or the death penalty.
I am not suggesting that it is illegal. If the states want to pass laws like that...have at it. But I don't like it. I think it is antithetical to Western culture's belief in redemption.
The "yeah...fvck you" was for the expectation that the lunatics around here wouldn't like my stance.
I am saying that a lifetime ban on full participation in society is unjust if the penalty is less than life imprisonment or the death penalty.
I am not suggesting that it is illegal. If the states want to pass laws like that...have at it. But I don't like it. I think it is antithetical to Western culture's belief in redemption.
The "yeah...fvck you" was for the expectation that the lunatics around here wouldn't like my stance.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:14 PM (Zu3d9)
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I like the word origin video.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 22, 2016 09:53 PM (t5zYU)
The speaker has somewhat poor diction. Sort of like she's talking with a mouth full of marbles.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 22, 2016 09:53 PM (t5zYU)
The speaker has somewhat poor diction. Sort of like she's talking with a mouth full of marbles.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:14 PM (UsLZp)
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thathalfrican, my gosh you sound busy.
Hopefully my last weekend with my medical restrictions. Tomorrow I'm bossing Mrs MH around in the flower beds. This should be interesting as I'm the gardner. She has a black thumb
Hopefully my last weekend with my medical restrictions. Tomorrow I'm bossing Mrs MH around in the flower beds. This should be interesting as I'm the gardner. She has a black thumb
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:14 PM (voOPb)
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"When I'm just blowing off steam and having fun, just getting the idea across is good enough for me. You know?"
-Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:12 PM (J109V)
Usually. I rarely make a point of such things. But when I do? Best "perk-up", amigo.
-Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:12 PM (J109V)
Usually. I rarely make a point of such things. But when I do? Best "perk-up", amigo.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:15 PM (OQ9R7)
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Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 22, 2016 11:13 PM (FQKBL)
Please....tell me they still teach spelling. Just lie to me.
Please....tell me they still teach spelling. Just lie to me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:15 PM (Zu3d9)
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Stll teech spelyng? Duhh!
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (ntObR)
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274 This just in:
Sciatica is a stone-cold bitch.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (ntObR)
Two words: foam roller.
Trust me.
Sciatica is a stone-cold bitch.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:08 PM (ntObR)
Two words: foam roller.
Trust me.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (oKE6c)
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295 Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:09 PM (CXLVd)
I am saying that a lifetime ban on full participation in society is unjust if the penalty is less than life imprisonment or the death penalty.
I am not suggesting that it is illegal. If the states want to pass laws like that...have at it. But I don't like it. I think it is antithetical to Western culture's belief in redemption.
The "yeah...fvck you" was for the expectation that the lunatics around here wouldn't like my stance.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:14 PM (Zu3d9)
I would suggest felons have to re-earn their stripes by going through the same process naturalized citizens do--exams, length of time, etc.
I am saying that a lifetime ban on full participation in society is unjust if the penalty is less than life imprisonment or the death penalty.
I am not suggesting that it is illegal. If the states want to pass laws like that...have at it. But I don't like it. I think it is antithetical to Western culture's belief in redemption.
The "yeah...fvck you" was for the expectation that the lunatics around here wouldn't like my stance.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:14 PM (Zu3d9)
I would suggest felons have to re-earn their stripes by going through the same process naturalized citizens do--exams, length of time, etc.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (J3UIw)
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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:14 PM (voOPb)
Yeah it'll be fine though I mean what can I do? *shrug*
LOL black thumb - racist *cough* - what happened to put you on the IR?
Yeah it'll be fine though I mean what can I do? *shrug*
LOL black thumb - racist *cough* - what happened to put you on the IR?
Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (R5HRU)
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248 Northern Lurker, are you still here?
My daughter is planning to go to Uganda this summer on a mission trip.
IIRC, you were there recently.
Should I be sweating bullets?!?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2016 11:02 PM (T/5A0)
Yes, indeed, I am still here. Do you need to be sweating bullets? I honestly don't think so. I never once felt in danger.
She needs to be careful with mosquitoes--wear repellant, sleep under mosquito netting.
I would suggest she shouldn't go out alone at night, just as a common-sense precaution.
I'm sure her group has a trustworthy interpreter. It's important.
And she should relax and enjoy. But do do pray.
I had a wonderful experience.
My daughter is planning to go to Uganda this summer on a mission trip.
IIRC, you were there recently.
Should I be sweating bullets?!?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2016 11:02 PM (T/5A0)
Yes, indeed, I am still here. Do you need to be sweating bullets? I honestly don't think so. I never once felt in danger.
She needs to be careful with mosquitoes--wear repellant, sleep under mosquito netting.
I would suggest she shouldn't go out alone at night, just as a common-sense precaution.
I'm sure her group has a trustworthy interpreter. It's important.
And she should relax and enjoy. But do do pray.
I had a wonderful experience.
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (4rzL1)
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Okay, CBD, they still teach spelling. My nose just got a little bigger, but they still teach spelling.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (FQKBL)
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Tomorrow I'm bossing Mrs MH around in the flower beds.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:14 PM (voOPb)
I have never heard that euphemism.
Although the Georgia O'Keeffe theme this morning would suggest a connection between flowers and......
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:14 PM (voOPb)
I have never heard that euphemism.
Although the Georgia O'Keeffe theme this morning would suggest a connection between flowers and......
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (Zu3d9)
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Okay, that was a little more harsh than funny. I'm just resisting my urge to correct everything.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:17 PM (OQ9R7)
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Usually. I rarely make a point of such things. But when I do? Best "perk-up", amigo.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:15 PM (OQ9R7)
*****
Naahhh. I save that energy for the money making portions of my life, Hombre.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:15 PM (OQ9R7)
*****
Naahhh. I save that energy for the money making portions of my life, Hombre.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:17 PM (J109V)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:17 PM (Zu3d9)
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Jay, I read that too. Thanks.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:17 PM (ntObR)
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301 Stll teech spelyng? Duhh!
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (ntObR)
If peopel had only lissened to me!
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (ntObR)
If peopel had only lissened to me!
Posted by: Theodore Roosevelt at April 22, 2016 11:18 PM (J3UIw)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:18 PM (OQ9R7)
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With enough funding I'm sure I can turn lead into gold.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 22, 2016 11:19 PM (jVvcc)
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I would suggest felons have to re-earn their stripes
by going through the same process naturalized citizens do--exams,
length of time, etc.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (J3UIw)
What really sucks about this place is that not a day goes by that somebody says something that has me think: "I never thought of that!"
Fvck you too!
[said with humor]
by going through the same process naturalized citizens do--exams,
length of time, etc.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (J3UIw)
What really sucks about this place is that not a day goes by that somebody says something that has me think: "I never thought of that!"
Fvck you too!
[said with humor]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:19 PM (Zu3d9)
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thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (R5HRU)
Well, let's put it this way, she raised the kids fine. Plants not so much.,ordered a shit load of plants in January and they have been coming in every day this week
Had back surgery mid-March. No bending, lifting, twisting for 6 weeks.
Well, let's put it this way, she raised the kids fine. Plants not so much.
,ordered a shit load of plants in January and they have been coming in every day this week
Had back surgery mid-March. No bending, lifting, twisting for 6 weeks.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (voOPb)
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I disagree with stripping convicted criminals of their rights, because it seems to me too easy to abuse. You've either served your punishment, or you haven't. None of this half-way shit. Of course, I also think that the lash should be brought back into extensive use in the justice system.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (fC9RO)
While in jail, or on parole. No vote. Once your full term has expired, voting rights return, failing any further offense. That's the way it ought to be.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 22, 2016 10:07 PM (fC9RO)
While in jail, or on parole. No vote. Once your full term has expired, voting rights return, failing any further offense. That's the way it ought to be.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (UsLZp)
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I am saying that a lifetime ban on full participation in society is
unjust if the penalty is less than life imprisonment or the death
penalty.
I am not suggesting that it is illegal. If the states
want to pass laws like that...have at it. But I don't like it. I think
it is antithetical to Western culture's belief in redemption.
I was afraid that that was what you meant. Several points:
1. Redemption isn't necessarily for this life.
2. Taking cognizance of a malefactor's wrongdoing, even after he's paid the penalty, is often just common sense. Would you let a child molester babysit your kids, just because he'd paid his debt to society? Of course not. Same principle applies. The felon is alive and out of prison by the grace and favor of society. We're under no obligation to restore him to his previous status in society.
unjust if the penalty is less than life imprisonment or the death
penalty.
I am not suggesting that it is illegal. If the states
want to pass laws like that...have at it. But I don't like it. I think
it is antithetical to Western culture's belief in redemption.
I was afraid that that was what you meant. Several points:
1. Redemption isn't necessarily for this life.
2. Taking cognizance of a malefactor's wrongdoing, even after he's paid the penalty, is often just common sense. Would you let a child molester babysit your kids, just because he'd paid his debt to society? Of course not. Same principle applies. The felon is alive and out of prison by the grace and favor of society. We're under no obligation to restore him to his previous status in society.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (oKE6c)
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307 With enough funding I'm sure I can turn lead into gold.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 22, 2016 11:19 PM (jVvcc)
But can you turn led into gold? Or is it too tarnished?
Posted by: andycanuck at April 22, 2016 11:19 PM (jVvcc)
But can you turn led into gold? Or is it too tarnished?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:21 PM (J3UIw)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:11 PM (oKE6c)
Yes, but she was hot. Too bad no tasteful nudes....or hard-core porn....were discovered.
Yes, but she was hot. Too bad no tasteful nudes....or hard-core porn....were discovered.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:21 PM (Zu3d9)
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"Naahhh. I save that energy for the money making portions of my life, Hombre."
-Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:17 PM (J109V)
#1. No shit. Righteously dig that.
#2. I'm always going to be a bit of a jerk.
#3. I'm going to wash my dishes because my jerk-titude and selfishness hasn't allowed for Marraige to a woman who can also make me a sammich.
-Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:17 PM (J109V)
#1. No shit. Righteously dig that.
#2. I'm always going to be a bit of a jerk.
#3. I'm going to wash my dishes because my jerk-titude and selfishness hasn't allowed for Marraige to a woman who can also make me a sammich.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:21 PM (OQ9R7)
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San Francisco politicians probably got well greased by a solar panel maker or two, and the solar companies probably were worried about going tits up before their rent seeking paid off
Only green proggie idiots think this was about saving the erf
Only green proggie idiots think this was about saving the erf
Posted by: kbdabear at April 22, 2016 11:21 PM (i6i8K)
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So who was the asshole who started the confusion between "lose" and "loose" among the cognitively disenfranchised?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (oKE6c)
Lucy.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 10:30 PM (oKE6c)
Lucy.
Posted by: Leakey at April 22, 2016 11:21 PM (8aOqE)
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I can turn leaf into golf!
Posted by: president o'bumbles at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (jVvcc)
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298---I had a wonderful experience.
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (4rzL1)
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Thanks!
Sounds great --- and I will pass on your advice!
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (4rzL1)
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Thanks!
Sounds great --- and I will pass on your advice!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (T/5A0)
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253 Loose and lose are almost as abused as breath and breathe.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (OQ9R7)
The hell you say!!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:03 PM (OQ9R7)
The hell you say!!
Posted by: They're There Their at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (0LHZx)
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I would suggest felons have to re-earn their stripes by going through the same process naturalized citizens do--exams, length of time, etc.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (J3UIw)
OR, we could just ask if they'll vote D as often as they can...
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (J3UIw)
OR, we could just ask if they'll vote D as often as they can...
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (wYnyS)
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While in jail, or on parole. No vote. Once your full
term has expired, voting rights return, failing any further offense.
That's the way it ought to be.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (UsLZp)
So you'd let Leslie Van Houten vote? The Rosenbergs, had we not sparked them?
And why restrict it to voting? Why not let them hold office? President Julius Rosenberg wants to know!
term has expired, voting rights return, failing any further offense.
That's the way it ought to be.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (UsLZp)
So you'd let Leslie Van Houten vote? The Rosenbergs, had we not sparked them?
And why restrict it to voting? Why not let them hold office? President Julius Rosenberg wants to know!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (oKE6c)
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315 San Francisco politicians probably got well greased by a solar panel maker or two, and the solar companies probably were worried about going tits up before their rent seeking paid off
Only green proggie idiots think this was about saving the erf
Posted by: kbdabear at April 22, 2016 11:21 PM (i6i8K)
So, I was thinking of this the other day, and the only way to make solar practical is to somehow get an electron cascade. How you do that is beyond me.
Only green proggie idiots think this was about saving the erf
Posted by: kbdabear at April 22, 2016 11:21 PM (i6i8K)
So, I was thinking of this the other day, and the only way to make solar practical is to somehow get an electron cascade. How you do that is beyond me.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (J3UIw)
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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (voOPb)
Well she got the most important thing right. Sounds cool, how big is your garden?
When you're finally able to do shit, I'm telling you do yoga. It will change your life.
Well she got the most important thing right. Sounds cool, how big is your garden?
When you're finally able to do shit, I'm telling you do yoga. It will change your life.
Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (R5HRU)
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No, I understand what you're asking.
And I can't honestly answer you, especially not with most of a tall, cold beer in me. But - well, I don't trust my son's judgement. If the law said he could vote, that would be that. But, he can't, and I'm fine with that.
Posted by: antisocialist
Great answer, and I don't have an answer either. I don't know what he did and I didn't ask for a reason, I don't want to know. I'm asking in the abstract, if that's the right word.
I worry about how things will shake out with abuse of the "felony" label, if abused in the way that the Institutional Left uses it.
I mean, FFS, we're debating these days about which bathroom a person can legally use...do you see where I'm going with that stream-of-consciousness?
And I can't honestly answer you, especially not with most of a tall, cold beer in me. But - well, I don't trust my son's judgement. If the law said he could vote, that would be that. But, he can't, and I'm fine with that.
Posted by: antisocialist
Great answer, and I don't have an answer either. I don't know what he did and I didn't ask for a reason, I don't want to know. I'm asking in the abstract, if that's the right word.
I worry about how things will shake out with abuse of the "felony" label, if abused in the way that the Institutional Left uses it.
I mean, FFS, we're debating these days about which bathroom a person can legally use...do you see where I'm going with that stream-of-consciousness?
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (CXLVd)
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>>>Georgia O'Keeffe theme this morning would suggest a connection between flowers and.
ya never know. I'm a praying man
ya never know. I'm a praying man Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (voOPb)
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320 I would suggest felons have to re-earn their stripes by going through the same process naturalized citizens do--exams, length of time, etc.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (J3UIw)
OR, we could just ask if they'll vote D as often as they can...
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (wYnyS)
On the same day, even.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:16 PM (J3UIw)
OR, we could just ask if they'll vote D as often as they can...
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (wYnyS)
On the same day, even.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (J3UIw)
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Posted by: kbdabear at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (i6i8K)
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While in jail, or on parole. No vote. Once your full term has expired, voting rights return, failing any further offense. That's the way it ought to be.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (UsLZp)
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I'd put a waiting period like 5 years post-release from jail / parole. But then yeah if you're a good boy/girl for 5 years, you get the right to vote back.
While in jail, or on parole. No vote. Once your full term has expired, voting rights return, failing any further offense. That's the way it ought to be.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (UsLZp)
______
I'd put a waiting period like 5 years post-release from jail / parole. But then yeah if you're a good boy/girl for 5 years, you get the right to vote back.
Posted by: They're There Their at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (0LHZx)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (oKE6c)
Child molestation is a pathology. They should never be let out of jail. So in Dildoland that won't be an issue.
And I speak not of religious redemption but of the Western and quintessentially American virtue of the second chance.
If you want to tailor the law so that multiple felonies result in lifetime disenfranchisement, then I will accept that. But for a first felony? No.
Child molestation is a pathology. They should never be let out of jail. So in Dildoland that won't be an issue.
And I speak not of religious redemption but of the Western and quintessentially American virtue of the second chance.
If you want to tailor the law so that multiple felonies result in lifetime disenfranchisement, then I will accept that. But for a first felony? No.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (Zu3d9)
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#1. No shit. Righteously dig that.
#2. I'm always going to be a bit of a jerk.
#3. I'm going to wash my dishes because my jerk-titude and selfishness hasn't allowed for Marraige to a woman who can also make me a sammich.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:21 PM (OQ9R7)
****
It's cool. I'm such a jerk sometimes that I don't notice when you might be acting like one. So, it's all good.
#2. I'm always going to be a bit of a jerk.
#3. I'm going to wash my dishes because my jerk-titude and selfishness hasn't allowed for Marraige to a woman who can also make me a sammich.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:21 PM (OQ9R7)
****
It's cool. I'm such a jerk sometimes that I don't notice when you might be acting like one. So, it's all good.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (J109V)
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Sock off THERE!!
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 22, 2016 11:25 PM (0LHZx)
332
Nite all. I did too much outside work tonight, will pay tomorrow. Damn apple tree isn't gonna trim it's self.
Supposed to be a dwarf and 6 feet tall, my azz. It's 12 ft or more. And under power lines.
Be well yall. We shall survive.
T
Supposed to be a dwarf and 6 feet tall, my azz. It's 12 ft or more. And under power lines.
Be well yall. We shall survive.
T
Posted by: Farmer at April 22, 2016 11:25 PM (o/90i)
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293 Please....tell me they still teach spelling. Just lie to me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:15 PM (Zu3d9)
Reminded me of an old joke about a woman sitting on Pinocchio's face and saying "lie to me."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:15 PM (Zu3d9)
Reminded me of an old joke about a woman sitting on Pinocchio's face and saying "lie to me."
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:25 PM (iMxBJ)
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It will change your life.
Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (R5HRU)
Thank you for the image of Misanthropic Humanitarian in spandex.
I hate you.
Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (R5HRU)
Thank you for the image of Misanthropic Humanitarian in spandex.
I hate you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:25 PM (Zu3d9)
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I'd put a waiting period like 5 years post-release
from jail / parole. But then yeah if you're a good boy/girl for 5 years,
you get the right to vote back.
Posted by: They're There Their at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (0LHZx)
Think, people, think! What would happen under that policy? Here's a hint: what happened to grades in college when men getting below a certain GPA became subject to the draft?
from jail / parole. But then yeah if you're a good boy/girl for 5 years,
you get the right to vote back.
Posted by: They're There Their at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (0LHZx)
Think, people, think! What would happen under that policy? Here's a hint: what happened to grades in college when men getting below a certain GPA became subject to the draft?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:26 PM (oKE6c)
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Posted by: kbdabear at April 22, 2016 11:26 PM (i6i8K)
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Yoga? Hmm might look into it. My rehab is walking and that's going well. I'm also trying to shed a lot of weight.
Gardens. We have 9 flower beds and need to build 3 more. I'm running out of room
Gardens. We have 9 flower beds and need to build 3 more. I'm running out of room
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:26 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:27 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 11:27 PM (wYnyS)
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"Peaches is my Original AOS crush. *blushes* Posted by: Slapweasel"
Slap has far better instincts in these matters than I do.
My first AOS crush was Machines For Sale.
Slap has far better instincts in these matters than I do.
My first AOS crush was Machines For Sale.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 22, 2016 11:27 PM (noWW6)
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I mean, FFS, we're debating these days about which bathroom a person can legally use...do you see where I'm going with that stream-of-consciousness?
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (CXLVd)
And that is no joke, because the guy who put a noose on the OleMiss James Meredith statue is doing six months. "For intimidation". Well, I object. It simply could have been a young man trolling, especially one sick of the sanctimony and piety shown to some sects, and contempt to others.
I have no desire to go hang a noose on a statue of James Meredity, but I am fairly sure it should not be a jailable offense.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (CXLVd)
And that is no joke, because the guy who put a noose on the OleMiss James Meredith statue is doing six months. "For intimidation". Well, I object. It simply could have been a young man trolling, especially one sick of the sanctimony and piety shown to some sects, and contempt to others.
I have no desire to go hang a noose on a statue of James Meredity, but I am fairly sure it should not be a jailable offense.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:27 PM (J3UIw)
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You could always regain the right to vote as a felon. You just had to obey all laws and apply to have it restored.
You could always regain the right to vote as a felon. You just had to obey all laws and apply to have it restored.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (iQIUe)
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I mean, FFS, we're debating these days about which bathroom a person can legally use...do you see where I'm going with that stream-of-consciousness?
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (CXLVd)
Yes. Yes, I do.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (CXLVd)
Yes. Yes, I do.
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (9n14Y)
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Not entirely following the felon voting debate -- what is it that people think would be improved, by having felons contribute to the selection of public servants?
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (iMxBJ)
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Regarding the rights of paroled felons... If the individual isn't worthy to fully participate lawfully in life in a free society again (with [i[all the attendant rights and responsibilities), then why should he be released at all?
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (kP16F)
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Child molestation is a pathology. They should never be let out of jail. So in Dildoland that won't be an issue.
Please give me an operational distinction between pathology and criminal behavior, so I can tell which is which on an objective basis.
Thanks.
(I'll desist from pointing out that homosexuality was considered a pathology until what was it - DSM III? Actually, no I won't desist after all.)
Please give me an operational distinction between pathology and criminal behavior, so I can tell which is which on an objective basis.
Thanks.
(I'll desist from pointing out that homosexuality was considered a pathology until what was it - DSM III? Actually, no I won't desist after all.)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (oKE6c)
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Posted by: kbdabear at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (i6i8K)
348
My first AOS crush was Machines For Sale.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 22, 2016 11:27 PM (noWW6)
*****
Tammy for me, but just for the fun flirtin'.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 22, 2016 11:27 PM (noWW6)
*****
Tammy for me, but just for the fun flirtin'.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (J109V)
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334 It will change your life.
Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (R5HRU)
Thank you for the image of Misanthropic Humanitarian in spandex.
I hate you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:25 PM (Zu3d9)
It probably wouldn't help if you also starting thinking of him in the downward facing dog pose.
Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:23 PM (R5HRU)
Thank you for the image of Misanthropic Humanitarian in spandex.
I hate you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:25 PM (Zu3d9)
It probably wouldn't help if you also starting thinking of him in the downward facing dog pose.
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 22, 2016 11:29 PM (4rzL1)
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Don't worry CBD I can not envision me in spandex either
Now sweat pants and a baggy T-shirt. That's me
Now sweat pants and a baggy T-shirt. That's me
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:29 PM (voOPb)
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345 Regarding the rights of paroled felons... If the individual isn't worthy to fully participate lawfully in life in a free society again (with [i[all the attendant rights and responsibilities), then why should he be released at all?
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (kP16F)
So ... if a kid gets his learner's permit, he should be permitted to drive any vehicle, at any time, under any circumstances, without restriction?
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (kP16F)
So ... if a kid gets his learner's permit, he should be permitted to drive any vehicle, at any time, under any circumstances, without restriction?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:29 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: kbdabear at April 22, 2016 11:30 PM (i6i8K)
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317 I can turn leaf into golf!
Posted by: president o'bumbles at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (jVvcc)
L E A F
L O A F
SCOAMF
G O L F
Posted by: president o'bumbles at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (jVvcc)
L E A F
L O A F
SCOAMF
G O L F
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:30 PM (J3UIw)
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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:29 PM (voOPb)
Throw on whatever makes you comfy. Your back will thank you.
Throw on whatever makes you comfy. Your back will thank you.
Posted by: thathalfrican - failure is not an option at April 22, 2016 11:31 PM (R5HRU)
355
Not entirely following the felon voting debate -- what is it that people think would be improved, by having felons contribute to the selection of public servants?
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (iMxBJ)
Lots more Dem officeholders!
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (iMxBJ)
Lots more Dem officeholders!
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 11:31 PM (wYnyS)
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Not sure if serious? Actually, I don't even know what you're saying (which is weird, considering your awesome weekend cob posts)...
Posted by: Oedipus
CBD was giving you a serious compliment.
Posted by: Oedipus
CBD was giving you a serious compliment.
Posted by: AmeriDan at April 22, 2016 11:31 PM (MBcwq)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (oKE6c)
Child molesters are pathological in the sense that the vast majority of them (perhaps all, but I am no expert) cannot control the impulse to molest. The recidivism rate is close to 100%
There are many examples of other felons who return to society and lead productive and law-abiding lives.
Child molesters are pathological in the sense that the vast majority of them (perhaps all, but I am no expert) cannot control the impulse to molest. The recidivism rate is close to 100%
There are many examples of other felons who return to society and lead productive and law-abiding lives.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:31 PM (Zu3d9)
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I am saying that a lifetime ban on full participation in society is unjust if the penalty is less than life imprisonment or the death penalty.
I am not suggesting that it is illegal. If the states want to pass laws like that...have at it. But I don't like it. I think it is antithetical to Western culture's belief in redemption.
The "yeah...fvck you" was for the expectation that the lunatics around here wouldn't like my stance.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Oh, okay, thanks for clarification. Sounds like we're in agreement, except for the "if the states want to"...I'm not sure about that, on legal grounds. But I'm a legal retard, so WTF do I know.
I know that West Virginia is an illegal state because it was not created by consensus vote of a majority of the citizenry of the state it was created from, but it remains a state, and the SC ruled it Kosher...so, there's that...
I am not suggesting that it is illegal. If the states want to pass laws like that...have at it. But I don't like it. I think it is antithetical to Western culture's belief in redemption.
The "yeah...fvck you" was for the expectation that the lunatics around here wouldn't like my stance.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Oh, okay, thanks for clarification. Sounds like we're in agreement, except for the "if the states want to"...I'm not sure about that, on legal grounds. But I'm a legal retard, so WTF do I know.
I know that West Virginia is an illegal state because it was not created by consensus vote of a majority of the citizenry of the state it was created from, but it remains a state, and the SC ruled it Kosher...so, there's that...
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:31 PM (CXLVd)
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Speaking of songs which may or may not be patriotic, does anyone remember one from the old Myspace days that was called something like "What Are You Going To Do With Your Freedom?"
It was by a female artist whose career never took off, but it made the rounds of the right wing blogs. I tried to dig it up the other day and could not find it.
It was by a female artist whose career never took off, but it made the rounds of the right wing blogs. I tried to dig it up the other day and could not find it.
Posted by: Thatch at April 22, 2016 11:32 PM (pBZp4)
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344 Not entirely following the felon voting debate -- what is it that people think would be improved, by having felons contribute to the selection of public servants?
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (iMxBJ)
Good point. The logical flaw in their position is considering that the highest consideration re voting is the self-esteem of the voter, rather than the good of society.
Hell, for my part, I think people who neither pay taxes nor have served in the military should have the vote. If you haven't contributed - in cash, or in kind - to the resources of the country, why should you have any say in the disposition of those resources? Do I have a say in how my neighbor spends his paycheck? Why not?
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (iMxBJ)
Good point. The logical flaw in their position is considering that the highest consideration re voting is the self-esteem of the voter, rather than the good of society.
Hell, for my part, I think people who neither pay taxes nor have served in the military should have the vote. If you haven't contributed - in cash, or in kind - to the resources of the country, why should you have any say in the disposition of those resources? Do I have a say in how my neighbor spends his paycheck? Why not?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:33 PM (oKE6c)
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I know that West Virginia is an illegal state because it was not created by consensus vote of a majority of the citizenry of the state it was created from
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:31 PM (CXLVd)
Well, they were invited to send their representatives to Washington.....
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:31 PM (CXLVd)
Well, they were invited to send their representatives to Washington.....
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:33 PM (J3UIw)
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Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:31 PM (CXLVd)
Oh well, if the SC ruled on it, everything is good then!
Oh well, if the SC ruled on it, everything is good then!
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 11:33 PM (wYnyS)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:29 PM (oKE6c)
So you are equating a physical skill in operating machinery to learning respect for and acceptance of society's rules of behavior?
I don't follow.
So you are equating a physical skill in operating machinery to learning respect for and acceptance of society's rules of behavior?
I don't follow.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:34 PM (Zu3d9)
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311 I am saying that a lifetime ban on full participation in society is
unjust if the penalty is less than life imprisonment or the death
penalty.
I am not suggesting that it is illegal. If the states
want to pass laws like that...have at it. But I don't like it. I think
it is antithetical to Western culture's belief in redemption.
I was afraid that that was what you meant. Several points:
1. Redemption isn't necessarily for this life.
2. Taking cognizance of a malefactor's wrongdoing, even after he's paid the penalty, is often just common sense. Would you let a child molester babysit your kids, just because he'd paid his debt to society? Of course not. Same principle applies. The felon is alive and out of prison by the grace and favor of society. We're under no obligation to restore him to his previous status in society.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (oKE6c)
That argues for a lifetime ban on voting upon conviction of electoral fraud -- but very little else. If convicted of assault and battery, there's no nexus to erase voting rights for life.
unjust if the penalty is less than life imprisonment or the death
penalty.
I am not suggesting that it is illegal. If the states
want to pass laws like that...have at it. But I don't like it. I think
it is antithetical to Western culture's belief in redemption.
I was afraid that that was what you meant. Several points:
1. Redemption isn't necessarily for this life.
2. Taking cognizance of a malefactor's wrongdoing, even after he's paid the penalty, is often just common sense. Would you let a child molester babysit your kids, just because he'd paid his debt to society? Of course not. Same principle applies. The felon is alive and out of prison by the grace and favor of society. We're under no obligation to restore him to his previous status in society.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:20 PM (oKE6c)
That argues for a lifetime ban on voting upon conviction of electoral fraud -- but very little else. If convicted of assault and battery, there's no nexus to erase voting rights for life.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:34 PM (EzgxV)
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Tell the truth! Tell a lie! Tell the truth! Tell a lie! Tell the truth! Tell a lie! Tell the truth! Tell a lie! Tell the truth! Tell a lie!
Posted by: raggedy ann sitting on pinocchio's face at April 22, 2016 11:34 PM (jVvcc)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:33 PM (oKE6c)
So logical and rational, it will never happen. Maybe in USA 2.0?
So logical and rational, it will never happen. Maybe in USA 2.0?
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 22, 2016 11:35 PM (wYnyS)
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And why restrict it to voting? Why not let them hold office? President Julius Rosenberg wants to know!
Senator Conquered Mount Everest - In Spirit - has the answer for you ...
As well as Alecce Hastings (sp ?).
Senator Conquered Mount Everest - In Spirit - has the answer for you ...
As well as Alecce Hastings (sp ?).
Posted by: Adriane the Album Cover Critic ... at April 22, 2016 11:35 PM (AoK0a)
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I don't think it's even close, you commit a crime, you serve your time or sentence, your full set of rights are restored upon satisfactory completion.
I don't want our fully weaponized governmental antagonists
or fucktarded representatives to have any more power than necessary.
I don't want our fully weaponized governmental antagonists
or fucktarded representatives to have any more power than necessary.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 22, 2016 11:36 PM (WVvzl)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:33 PM (oKE6c)
Voting has nothing to do with self esteem, and everything to do with integration into society and teaching that the individual has some responsibility to maintain the health of that society.
Leaving felons on the outside isn't smart.
I want them to earn and pay taxes and be involved. It is in my best interests.
Voting has nothing to do with self esteem, and everything to do with integration into society and teaching that the individual has some responsibility to maintain the health of that society.
Leaving felons on the outside isn't smart.
I want them to earn and pay taxes and be involved. It is in my best interests.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:36 PM (Zu3d9)
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356 Not sure if serious? Actually, I don't even know what you're saying (which is weird, considering your awesome weekend cob posts)...
Posted by: Oedipus
CBD was giving you a serious compliment.
Posted by: AmeriDan
Er, or Puntfex. He was giving someone a compliment. I'll shut up now.
Posted by: Oedipus
CBD was giving you a serious compliment.
Posted by: AmeriDan
Er, or Puntfex. He was giving someone a compliment. I'll shut up now.
Posted by: AmeriDan at April 22, 2016 11:37 PM (MBcwq)
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Virginia is a purple state essentially. McCauliffe is a piece of shit. Those votes could make the diff. in the race. Some of the felons will be voting and not even know it.
IYKWIM
IYKWIM
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 22, 2016 11:38 PM (89T5c)
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I believe that if you have served your sentence you should be able to vote. When I paid off my mortgage I no longer had to make house payments.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 22, 2016 11:38 PM (k4M/B)
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@351
So ... if a kid gets his learner's permit, he
should be permitted to drive any vehicle, at any time, under any
circumstances, without restriction?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:29 PM (oKE6c)
I think a kid (a minor) would be a special case for that exception...
So ... if a kid gets his learner's permit, he
should be permitted to drive any vehicle, at any time, under any
circumstances, without restriction?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:29 PM (oKE6c)
I think a kid (a minor) would be a special case for that exception...
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 22, 2016 11:38 PM (kP16F)
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Child molesters are pathological in the sense that the vast majority of them (perhaps all, but I am no expert) cannot control the impulse to molest. The recidivism rate is close to 100%
There are many examples of other felons who return to society and lead productive and law-abiding lives.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:31 PM (Zu3d9)
So you're defining it by recividism rate? How high can it be before you draw the line? Consider this: over 60% of all released prisoners are rearrested within three years of release.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/reentry/recidivism.cfm
Sounds like recividism to me.
Most felons are career criminals with long rap sheets. That bespeaks recidivism with a capital "R." Sure, there is the odd person who made a foolish decision as a kid, but that's unusual; most felons start early and are in and out of prison most of their lives.
There are many examples of other felons who return to society and lead productive and law-abiding lives.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:31 PM (Zu3d9)
So you're defining it by recividism rate? How high can it be before you draw the line? Consider this: over 60% of all released prisoners are rearrested within three years of release.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/reentry/recidivism.cfm
Sounds like recividism to me.
Most felons are career criminals with long rap sheets. That bespeaks recidivism with a capital "R." Sure, there is the odd person who made a foolish decision as a kid, but that's unusual; most felons start early and are in and out of prison most of their lives.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:39 PM (oKE6c)
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Why is it that when I have all the time in the world, the threads are lighthearted and amusing but not serious.
But when I have to step away from the keyboard the shit is very interesting and challenging.
But when I have to step away from the keyboard the shit is very interesting and challenging.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:39 PM (Zu3d9)
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So if we let felons vote, do we allow them to own firearms?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:39 PM (voOPb)
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Not allowing felons to ever vote again just doesn't seem American. You do the crime, do the time at some point, you have to be let back into society fully, including voting. 19 year old does something stupid, gets convicted of a felony, serves a year in jail, he's out at 20.
But he won't be able to vote for the rest of his life? That's a little fucked up.
But he won't be able to vote for the rest of his life? That's a little fucked up.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 22, 2016 11:40 PM (0LHZx)
378
My first AOS crush was Machines For Sale.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 22, 2016 11:27 PM (noWW6)
*****
Tammy for me, but just for the fun flirtin'.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (J109V)
Lace wigs.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 22, 2016 11:27 PM (noWW6)
*****
Tammy for me, but just for the fun flirtin'.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (J109V)
Lace wigs.
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 11:41 PM (9n14Y)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:39 PM (oKE6c)
Then let the 40% vote, as I suggested up-thread.
First time felons should not have their voting rights taken away.
Fifth time? Fvck 'em. Hang them.
Then let the 40% vote, as I suggested up-thread.
First time felons should not have their voting rights taken away.
Fifth time? Fvck 'em. Hang them.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:41 PM (Zu3d9)
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I think a kid (a minor) would be a special case for that exception...
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 22, 2016 11:38 PM (kP16F)
Ah, so now we're carving out special cases.
My point was that the exercise of rights/privileges is not all or nothing; we as a society place restrictions on such exercise as we deem appropriate, so arguments to the contrary are sophistry. It's perfectly appropriate to release convicts from prison, but not restore them to their previous state of legal virginity.
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 22, 2016 11:38 PM (kP16F)
Ah, so now we're carving out special cases.
My point was that the exercise of rights/privileges is not all or nothing; we as a society place restrictions on such exercise as we deem appropriate, so arguments to the contrary are sophistry. It's perfectly appropriate to release convicts from prison, but not restore them to their previous state of legal virginity.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:42 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:42 PM (Zu3d9)
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Appropriate holiday salutations to our Tribal members (CBD, surprised to see you at this hour, hope your evening went well) on this special evening.
Felons and voting. Hmm. Nah, not gonna touch it. Not feeling particularly wise or insightful tonight.
Felons and voting. Hmm. Nah, not gonna touch it. Not feeling particularly wise or insightful tonight.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 22, 2016 11:43 PM (QDnY+)
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Nite CBD
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:43 PM (voOPb)
384
So you'd let Leslie Van Houten vote? The Rosenbergs, had we not sparked them?
And why restrict it to voting? Why not let them hold office? President Julius Rosenberg wants to know!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (oKE6c)
I would expect Van Houten, if she is released, would be on parole for the rest of her life. So, no vote. Ditto for the Rosenbergs, had they had their DP commuted to LWOP, and then released long after the fact.
Parole is not a pardon; it is a promise by the prisoner to serve the remainder of his term outside prison, and to abide by certain restrictions on his activities.
And why restrict it to voting? Why not let them hold office? President Julius Rosenberg wants to know!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:22 PM (oKE6c)
I would expect Van Houten, if she is released, would be on parole for the rest of her life. So, no vote. Ditto for the Rosenbergs, had they had their DP commuted to LWOP, and then released long after the fact.
Parole is not a pardon; it is a promise by the prisoner to serve the remainder of his term outside prison, and to abide by certain restrictions on his activities.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:43 PM (UsLZp)
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Would you let a child molester babysit your kids, just because he'd paid his debt to society? Of course not. Same principle applies. The felon is alive and out of prison by the grace and favor of society. We're under no obligation to restore him to his previous status in society
...and...
And why restrict it to voting? Why not let them hold office? President Julius Rosenberg wants to know!
Getting a job as a babysitter is not a Constitutional Right. Voting is. Keeping and Bearing Arms is. Being a...what would you call it, a "prior felon", is not a legal disqualifier to being an office-holder.
Felons out on the streets is the problem, and classifying what is or is not a felony properly, is the problem. insomniac finally got that, now I'm working on you, lol.
...and...
And why restrict it to voting? Why not let them hold office? President Julius Rosenberg wants to know!
Getting a job as a babysitter is not a Constitutional Right. Voting is. Keeping and Bearing Arms is. Being a...what would you call it, a "prior felon", is not a legal disqualifier to being an office-holder.
Felons out on the streets is the problem, and classifying what is or is not a felony properly, is the problem. insomniac finally got that, now I'm working on you, lol.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:44 PM (CXLVd)
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>>Felons and voting. Hmm. Nah, not gonna touch it. Not feeling particularly wise or insightful tonight.
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That's quite unlike you. Feeling ok? I like your insight
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That's quite unlike you. Feeling ok? I like your insight
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:45 PM (voOPb)
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See you tomorrow, folks.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 22, 2016 11:46 PM (jVvcc)
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Being a...what would you call it, a "prior felon", is not a legal disqualifier to being an office-holder.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:44 PM (CXLVd)
Why, in some places, it's vetting!
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:44 PM (CXLVd)
Why, in some places, it's vetting!
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:46 PM (J3UIw)
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@376
Someone who was convicted of felonious embezzlement or theft should never be allowed to own a firearm?
If you've served your sentence you should get your full rights and freedoms back. Voting, driving, firearms, the works.
Someone who was convicted of felonious embezzlement or theft should never be allowed to own a firearm?
If you've served your sentence you should get your full rights and freedoms back. Voting, driving, firearms, the works.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 22, 2016 11:47 PM (WVvzl)
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MH, you are far too kind.
In fact, I intended quite a bit of sarcasm when I said I wasn't feeling particularly wise "tonight".
Even my self-deprecating jokes are failing! Terrible! Bad!
In fact, I intended quite a bit of sarcasm when I said I wasn't feeling particularly wise "tonight".
Even my self-deprecating jokes are failing! Terrible! Bad!
Posted by: rhomboid at April 22, 2016 11:47 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: antisocialist at April 22, 2016 11:47 PM (9n14Y)
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So you are equating a physical skill in operating machinery to learning respect for and acceptance of society's rules of behavior?
I don't follow.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:34 PM (Zu3d9)
Driving doesn't involve just physical skill; more appositely, it involves judgment. Kids have the physical skill to drive long before 16; it's judgment that's lacking (and sometimes continues to be lacking). Society's rules for behavior in driving involve respecting speed limits, rules of the road, not driving impaired, etc.
That's the nexus.
I don't follow.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:34 PM (Zu3d9)
Driving doesn't involve just physical skill; more appositely, it involves judgment. Kids have the physical skill to drive long before 16; it's judgment that's lacking (and sometimes continues to be lacking). Society's rules for behavior in driving involve respecting speed limits, rules of the road, not driving impaired, etc.
That's the nexus.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:48 PM (oKE6c)
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Paroled felons and gun rights: Why not? We might want to consider the mentally ill here too.
Some people could safely be released under supervision, but meeting once a week or once a month with one's PO isn't supervision! We know the Left uses society's less responsible and feral members as examples to undermine the Second Amendment. If one shouldn't be out on the street with a gun, they shouldn't be out on the street!
Some people could safely be released under supervision, but meeting once a week or once a month with one's PO isn't supervision! We know the Left uses society's less responsible and feral members as examples to undermine the Second Amendment. If one shouldn't be out on the street with a gun, they shouldn't be out on the street!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 22, 2016 11:48 PM (kP16F)
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If you want to tailor the law so that multiple felonies result in lifetime disenfranchisement, then I will accept that. But for a first felony? No.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (Zu3d9)
Drunk driving is a felony, now. And all it is, in most cases, is a case of bad judgement. IMHO, the felonies that are deserving of a ban on voting are those which involve wilful acts harmful to other humans, either bodily harm, or economic harm.
And yeah, some instances of drunk driving certainly rise to that, but not all.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (Zu3d9)
Drunk driving is a felony, now. And all it is, in most cases, is a case of bad judgement. IMHO, the felonies that are deserving of a ban on voting are those which involve wilful acts harmful to other humans, either bodily harm, or economic harm.
And yeah, some instances of drunk driving certainly rise to that, but not all.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:48 PM (UsLZp)
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If you've served your sentence you should get your full rights and freedoms back. Voting, driving, firearms, the works.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 22, 2016 11:47 PM (WVvzl)
Running for office?
Running a daycare facility?
Operating an investment bank?
Working in a pharmacy?
Becoming a physician, and being able to prescribe drugs?
No restrictions of any kind?
I think that that's madness.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 22, 2016 11:47 PM (WVvzl)
Running for office?
Running a daycare facility?
Operating an investment bank?
Working in a pharmacy?
Becoming a physician, and being able to prescribe drugs?
No restrictions of any kind?
I think that that's madness.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:50 PM (oKE6c)
396
That dog with the sunglasses is an ISIS recruit.
Posted by: Karen Blewis at April 22, 2016 11:50 PM (Dwehj)
397
Agree w Cline about terrible Lee Greenwood song, so tired of listening respectfully and pretending to like it for fear of appearing unpatriotic.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at April 22, 2016 11:50 PM (QlLpF)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:50 PM (voOPb)
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360 344 Not entirely following the felon voting debate -- what is it that people think would be improved, by having felons contribute to the selection of public servants?
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (iMxBJ)
Good point. The logical flaw in their position is considering that the highest consideration re voting is the self-esteem of the voter, rather than the good of society.
Hell, for my part, I think people who neither pay taxes nor have served in the military should have the vote. If you haven't contributed - in cash, or in kind - to the resources of the country, why should you have any say in the disposition of those resources? Do I have a say in how my neighbor spends his paycheck? Why not?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:33 PM (oKE6c)
The Founding Fathers missed a step. There should be three houses of Congress. The House of Representatives, who represent the People; the Senate, who represent the States; and the Committee of Resources, who represent Taxpayers. You get one proxy to the Committee of Resources for every dollar of taxes you pay. Top 200 proxy holders get seats.
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:28 PM (iMxBJ)
Good point. The logical flaw in their position is considering that the highest consideration re voting is the self-esteem of the voter, rather than the good of society.
Hell, for my part, I think people who neither pay taxes nor have served in the military should have the vote. If you haven't contributed - in cash, or in kind - to the resources of the country, why should you have any say in the disposition of those resources? Do I have a say in how my neighbor spends his paycheck? Why not?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:33 PM (oKE6c)
The Founding Fathers missed a step. There should be three houses of Congress. The House of Representatives, who represent the People; the Senate, who represent the States; and the Committee of Resources, who represent Taxpayers. You get one proxy to the Committee of Resources for every dollar of taxes you pay. Top 200 proxy holders get seats.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
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It's perfectly appropriate to release convicts from prison, but not restore them to their previous state of legal virginity.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Wow. Mind Blown. I vote for ^^^this^^^.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Wow. Mind Blown. I vote for ^^^this^^^.
Posted by: AmeriDan at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (MBcwq)
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Getting a job as a babysitter is not a Constitutional Right. Voting
is. Keeping and Bearing Arms is. Being a...what would you call it, a
"prior felon", is not a legal disqualifier to being an office-holder.
But babysitting is how he makes his living! You're preventing him from pursuing his livelihood!
There are no "prior felons." You're either a felon, or you're not.
is. Keeping and Bearing Arms is. Being a...what would you call it, a
"prior felon", is not a legal disqualifier to being an office-holder.
But babysitting is how he makes his living! You're preventing him from pursuing his livelihood!
There are no "prior felons." You're either a felon, or you're not.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (oKE6c)
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If you've served your sentence you should get your full rights and freedoms back. Voting, driving, firearms, the works.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 22, 2016 11:47 PM (WVvzl)
My default view is the prison sentence is designed to waste a portion of your life in lieu of wasting the entire thing ("hang until dead"); it does not pay back a debt. It is punishment--and also keeps you off the streets. After that, I want to see a period of time of "citizenship probation"--you've already proven to me you ain't a good citizen, now show me that you can be--without a prison guard watching over you every day. After that, it gets "forgiven".
Think of it like the 4 and 4 of a four year enlistment in the military--four active duty, four in the inactive reserves. In this case, its prison sentence for the crime, a few years of good behavior on the outside for full rehabilitation.
Overcoming a felony should be difficult, not easy. So as to preserve the prestige associated with being "law-abiding", a prestige I think currently non-existant.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 22, 2016 11:47 PM (WVvzl)
My default view is the prison sentence is designed to waste a portion of your life in lieu of wasting the entire thing ("hang until dead"); it does not pay back a debt. It is punishment--and also keeps you off the streets. After that, I want to see a period of time of "citizenship probation"--you've already proven to me you ain't a good citizen, now show me that you can be--without a prison guard watching over you every day. After that, it gets "forgiven".
Think of it like the 4 and 4 of a four year enlistment in the military--four active duty, four in the inactive reserves. In this case, its prison sentence for the crime, a few years of good behavior on the outside for full rehabilitation.
Overcoming a felony should be difficult, not easy. So as to preserve the prestige associated with being "law-abiding", a prestige I think currently non-existant.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:53 PM (J3UIw)
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Drunk driving is a felony, now. And all it is, in most cases, is a case of bad judgement. IMHO, the felonies that are deserving of a ban on voting are those which involve wilful acts harmful to other humans, either bodily harm, or economic harm.
And yeah, some instances of drunk driving certainly rise to that, but not all.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:48 PM (UsLZp)
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Not here in the U.S. they are not. Unless there is some other component to the charge, they are misdemeanors.
And yeah, some instances of drunk driving certainly rise to that, but not all.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:48 PM (UsLZp)
****
Not here in the U.S. they are not. Unless there is some other component to the charge, they are misdemeanors.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:53 PM (J109V)
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Well since firearms were mentioned (!), and I always miss the occasional gun threads or come to them very late ......
My first 30-06 reloads worked well (M1 Garand food). Did a ladder of four charges (45.5 to 47 grains of 4064) under a 150-grain bullet. Hmmm. All seemed to perform identically. So I'll load up a larger number of the two smallest charges and see if I can find a difference.
A young'in at the other end of the lanes recognized the M1 and I heard him explain to his friends that it was "a WWII gun".
So of course I walked over and insisted he shoot a clip (of surplus, not my reloads). He was a gun-savvy young guy (which is why I let him oversee his group and just kept track from a distance while I did my thing). He had never touched an M1, and he was just about giggling after he shot it.
My first 30-06 reloads worked well (M1 Garand food). Did a ladder of four charges (45.5 to 47 grains of 4064) under a 150-grain bullet. Hmmm. All seemed to perform identically. So I'll load up a larger number of the two smallest charges and see if I can find a difference.
A young'in at the other end of the lanes recognized the M1 and I heard him explain to his friends that it was "a WWII gun".
So of course I walked over and insisted he shoot a clip (of surplus, not my reloads). He was a gun-savvy young guy (which is why I let him oversee his group and just kept track from a distance while I did my thing). He had never touched an M1, and he was just about giggling after he shot it.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 22, 2016 11:53 PM (QDnY+)
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I'm in total agreement with "Kreplach"...
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 22, 2016 11:54 PM (kP16F)
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The Founding Fathers missed a step. There should be three houses of Congress. The House of Representatives, who represent the People; the Senate, who represent the States; and the Committee of Resources, who represent Taxpayers. You get one proxy to the Committee of Resources for every dollar of taxes you pay. Top 200 proxy holders get seats.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
They didn't miss anything. Property qualification to vote back in their day.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
They didn't miss anything. Property qualification to vote back in their day.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:54 PM (J3UIw)
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"It's cool. I'm such a jerk sometimes that I don't notice when you might be acting like one. So, it's all good."
-Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (J109V)
*HAH!*
I watch you lay down bread-crumbs for idiots to follow into a trap time-and-time again. That's their fault... LOL!
-Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (J109V)
*HAH!*
I watch you lay down bread-crumbs for idiots to follow into a trap time-and-time again. That's their fault... LOL!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 22, 2016 11:55 PM (OQ9R7)
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Paroled felons and gun rights: Why not? We might want to consider the mentally ill here too.
Especially when disbelief in climate change will be considered a mental disorder.
Paroled felons and gun rights: Why not? We might want to consider the mentally ill here too.
Especially when disbelief in climate change will be considered a mental disorder.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 22, 2016 11:55 PM (k4M/B)
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Drunk driving is a felony, now. And all it is, in most cases, is a case
of bad judgement. IMHO, the felonies that are deserving of a ban on
voting are those which involve wilful acts harmful to other humans,
either bodily harm, or economic harm.
I agree with that. I believe that felony drunk driving is not the usual charge with someone who had a beer too many on his way home from work - which, let's face it, could be any of us - but rather is generally applied to those who've had a series of DUIs, and/or were way over the limit and caused a fatal accident.
of bad judgement. IMHO, the felonies that are deserving of a ban on
voting are those which involve wilful acts harmful to other humans,
either bodily harm, or economic harm.
I agree with that. I believe that felony drunk driving is not the usual charge with someone who had a beer too many on his way home from work - which, let's face it, could be any of us - but rather is generally applied to those who've had a series of DUIs, and/or were way over the limit and caused a fatal accident.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:55 PM (oKE6c)
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CBD was giving you a serious compliment.
Posted by: AmeriDan
That's why I asked for clarification. I've been a Moron for like 12 years now, back when LauraW was proudly sporting her Hump and Snaggletooth..and I've learned you have to be sure where every line of every post means. Wasn't sure if the last line was directed at me, lol.
Posted by: AmeriDan
That's why I asked for clarification. I've been a Moron for like 12 years now, back when LauraW was proudly sporting her Hump and Snaggletooth..and I've learned you have to be sure where every line of every post means. Wasn't sure if the last line was directed at me, lol.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:56 PM (CXLVd)
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>>So of course I walked over and insisted he shoot a clip (of surplus, not my reloads).
Feel good story of the night
Feel good story of the night
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 22, 2016 11:56 PM (voOPb)
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That argues for a lifetime ban on voting upon conviction of electoral fraud -- but very little else. If convicted of assault and battery, there's no nexus to erase voting rights for life.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:34 PM (EzgxV)
This. The problem is that "felon" covers a wide swath of misbehavior. Beat up the guy who raped your daughter, you could be jailed for felony assault. But I'd support your right to vote. Defraud a bunch of old folks doing the "Windows Security scam"? You might not be a physical threat to society, but i don't want your crooked ass voting.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:34 PM (EzgxV)
This. The problem is that "felon" covers a wide swath of misbehavior. Beat up the guy who raped your daughter, you could be jailed for felony assault. But I'd support your right to vote. Defraud a bunch of old folks doing the "Windows Security scam"? You might not be a physical threat to society, but i don't want your crooked ass voting.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:56 PM (UsLZp)
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Paroled felons and gun rights: Why not? We might want to consider the mentally ill here too.
Especially when disbelief in climate change will be considered a mental disorder.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 22, 2016 11:55 PM (k4M/B)
Corruption of the process is a different issue.
Especially when disbelief in climate change will be considered a mental disorder.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 22, 2016 11:55 PM (k4M/B)
Corruption of the process is a different issue.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:56 PM (oKE6c)
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@395
Yes. All of that.
If they cannot be trusted then they shouldn't be out of prison.
If they've served the time then they've served the time.
If they commit further crimes lock em up again.
But never getting your constitutional rights back is a bridge too far.
Yes. All of that.
If they cannot be trusted then they shouldn't be out of prison.
If they've served the time then they've served the time.
If they commit further crimes lock em up again.
But never getting your constitutional rights back is a bridge too far.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 22, 2016 11:57 PM (WVvzl)
415
406 The Founding Fathers missed a step. There should be three houses of Congress. The House of Representatives, who represent the People; the Senate, who represent the States; and the Committee of Resources, who represent Taxpayers. You get one proxy to the Committee of Resources for every dollar of taxes you pay. Top 200 proxy holders get seats.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
They didn't miss anything. Property qualification to vote back in their day.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:54 PM (J3UIw)
See and raise.
No taxes of any kind.
Government is funded by tariffs and voluntary contributions.
406 The Founding Fathers missed a step. There should be three houses of Congress. The House of Representatives, who represent the People; the Senate, who represent the States; and the Committee of Resources, who represent Taxpayers. You get one proxy to the Committee of Resources for every dollar of taxes you pay. Top 200 proxy holders get seats.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
They didn't miss anything. Property qualification to vote back in their day.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:54 PM (J3UIw)
See and raise.
No taxes of any kind.
Government is funded by tariffs and voluntary contributions.
Posted by: eman at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (kP16F)
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While I continue to be baffled by the focus on "what is best for the felon" as opposed to "what is best for the country," I will attempt to bypass that point of differing perspective with the following observation:
If you want to experience the pain of disenfranchisement, be a conservative, and live in California.
If you want to experience the pain of disenfranchisement, be a conservative, and live in California.
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (iMxBJ)
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412 That argues for a lifetime ban on voting upon conviction of electoral fraud -- but very little else. If convicted of assault and battery, there's no nexus to erase voting rights for life.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:34 PM (EzgxV)
This. The problem is that "felon" covers a wide swath of misbehavior. Beat up the guy who raped your daughter, you could be jailed for felony assault. But I'd support your right to vote. Defraud a bunch of old folks doing the "Windows Security scam"? You might not be a physical threat to society, but i don't want your crooked ass voting.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:56 PM (UsLZp)
"Felon" really should be thought of as what it used to be--"excommunicate from society".
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:34 PM (EzgxV)
This. The problem is that "felon" covers a wide swath of misbehavior. Beat up the guy who raped your daughter, you could be jailed for felony assault. But I'd support your right to vote. Defraud a bunch of old folks doing the "Windows Security scam"? You might not be a physical threat to society, but i don't want your crooked ass voting.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:56 PM (UsLZp)
"Felon" really should be thought of as what it used to be--"excommunicate from society".
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (J3UIw)
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So of course I walked over and insisted he shoot a clip (of surplus, not my reloads). He was a gun-savvy young guy (which is why I let him oversee his group and just kept track from a distance while I did my thing). He had never touched an M1, and he was just about giggling after he shot it.
Posted by: rhomboid
Good deal. You gave them an experience they will always treasure.
Posted by: rhomboid
Good deal. You gave them an experience they will always treasure.
Posted by: AmeriDan at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (MBcwq)
420
The problem is that "felon" covers a wide swath of misbehavior. Beat up the guy who raped your daughter, you could be jailed for felony assault. But I'd support your right to vote. Defraud a bunch of old folks doing the "Windows Security scam"? You might not be a physical threat to society, but i don't want your crooked ass voting.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:56 PM (UsLZp)
Losing the right to vote is not a big deal, really; half of the population doesn't even bother to vote, so little does the right mean to them. In addition, in the case you cite, I expect prosecutorial discretion would preclude a felony rap for that (rare) case.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 22, 2016 11:56 PM (UsLZp)
Losing the right to vote is not a big deal, really; half of the population doesn't even bother to vote, so little does the right mean to them. In addition, in the case you cite, I expect prosecutorial discretion would preclude a felony rap for that (rare) case.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 22, 2016 11:59 PM (oKE6c)
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Evening Hordons....
Glad to see the felonious conjecture ....
Once the G privatized prisons, well...
They gave up the moral high ground long ago.
Glad to see the felonious conjecture ....
Once the G privatized prisons, well...
They gave up the moral high ground long ago.
Posted by: Gary Busey's Cocaine Nostalgia at April 22, 2016 11:59 PM (b/iQK)
422
Titanic's in bad shape now. The foredeck is under water.
Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2016 12:00 AM (sdi6R)
423
415
406 The Founding Fathers missed a step. There should be three houses of Congress. The House of Representatives, who represent the People; the Senate, who represent the States; and the Committee of Resources, who represent Taxpayers. You get one proxy to the Committee of Resources for every dollar of taxes you pay. Top 200 proxy holders get seats.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
They didn't miss anything. Property qualification to vote back in their day.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:54 PM (J3UIw)
See and raise.
No taxes of any kind.
Government is funded by tariffs and voluntary contributions.
Posted by: eman at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (MQEz6)
True that. Though Zombie John C. Calhoun has just registered an objection....
406 The Founding Fathers missed a step. There should be three houses of Congress. The House of Representatives, who represent the People; the Senate, who represent the States; and the Committee of Resources, who represent Taxpayers. You get one proxy to the Committee of Resources for every dollar of taxes you pay. Top 200 proxy holders get seats.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
They didn't miss anything. Property qualification to vote back in their day.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:54 PM (J3UIw)
See and raise.
No taxes of any kind.
Government is funded by tariffs and voluntary contributions.
Posted by: eman at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (MQEz6)
True that. Though Zombie John C. Calhoun has just registered an objection....
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:00 AM (J3UIw)
424
Not here in the U.S. they are not. Unless there is some other component to the charge, they are misdemeanors.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:53 PM (J109V)
Thank you. That was my understanding as well.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 22, 2016 11:53 PM (J109V)
Thank you. That was my understanding as well.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:00 AM (oKE6c)
Posted by: eman at April 23, 2016 12:00 AM (MQEz6)
426
287 When my mom lived in Winnipeg her Canadian fiance was killed flying a Spitfire in the Battle of Britain
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 12:01 AM (LAliD)
Posted by: AmeriDan at April 23, 2016 12:01 AM (MBcwq)
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MH, it really did feel good to get a younger shooter enthused about the M1. He of course had a nice black plastic rifle, and an above-average selection of handguns (all of which his, ahemm, not unattractive young wife shot quite well, too).
But the power of the M1/30-06 greatly impressed him and his friends. Gave them the 2-minute brief on the penetration ability, how it was the first semi-auto in mass use by an army and what an advantage it provided. Made the guy promise to go look up the CMP website when he got home and see how easy and inexpensive it would be to grab a piece of history. A heavy, beautiful, thunderbolt-launching piece of history.
But the power of the M1/30-06 greatly impressed him and his friends. Gave them the 2-minute brief on the penetration ability, how it was the first semi-auto in mass use by an army and what an advantage it provided. Made the guy promise to go look up the CMP website when he got home and see how easy and inexpensive it would be to grab a piece of history. A heavy, beautiful, thunderbolt-launching piece of history.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:02 AM (QDnY+)
429
I'll see your California, and raise you all of New England, except for perhaps Maine!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 23, 2016 12:02 AM (kP16F)
430
Titanic's in bad shape now. The foredeck is under water.
Posted by: rickl
Quick! Help me arrange these deck chairs!!!
Posted by: rickl
Quick! Help me arrange these deck chairs!!!
Posted by: AmeriDan at April 23, 2016 12:03 AM (MBcwq)
431
425 Let felons vote, but divide their vote by the number of years they spent in prison.
Posted by: eman at April 23, 2016 12:00 AM (MQEz6)
I believe in some areas they would want to multiply it.
Posted by: eman at April 23, 2016 12:00 AM (MQEz6)
I believe in some areas they would want to multiply it.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:04 AM (J3UIw)
432
I've paid my debt to society, as ruled upon by a jury of my peers. You'd like to keep me from voting because I punched a guy really hard when I was twenty?
I'll leave that to the State of Ohio and take my grievances elsewhere, that being the case.
I'll leave that to the State of Ohio and take my grievances elsewhere, that being the case.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:04 AM (OQ9R7)
433
429 I'll see your California, and raise you all of New England, except for perhaps Maine!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 23, 2016 12:02 AM (kP16F)
Working on that.
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 23, 2016 12:02 AM (kP16F)
Working on that.
Posted by: Stephen King at April 23, 2016 12:04 AM (iMxBJ)
434
417 While I continue to be baffled by the focus on "what is best for the felon" as opposed to "what is best for the country," I will attempt to bypass that point of differing perspective with the following observation:
If you want to experience the pain of disenfranchisement, be a conservative, and live in California.
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (iMxBJ)
Hear, hear!
If you want to experience the pain of disenfranchisement, be a conservative, and live in California.
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (iMxBJ)
Hear, hear!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:05 AM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:05 AM (OQ9R7)
436
@417
On the spectrum of things I'm worried about the fact that millions upon millions of third world invaders are waltzing into my country with the full imprimatur of our elected representatives worries and vexes me more greatly than
the idea of felons getting their constitutional rights restored.
On the spectrum of things I'm worried about the fact that millions upon millions of third world invaders are waltzing into my country with the full imprimatur of our elected representatives worries and vexes me more greatly than
the idea of felons getting their constitutional rights restored.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 23, 2016 12:05 AM (WVvzl)
437
Posted by: rhomboid at April 22, 2016 11:53 PM (QDnY+)
I was much older than that kid when I first fired an M1, and i probably giggled a bit.
I was much older than that kid when I first fired an M1, and i probably giggled a bit.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 23, 2016 12:06 AM (Zu3d9)
438
Lots more Dem officeholders!
Posted by: Hrothgar
Yeah, I get that. Not my preferred outcome, but right is right.
Posted by: Hrothgar
Yeah, I get that. Not my preferred outcome, but right is right.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:07 AM (CXLVd)
439
For me, one non-violent felony, serve your sentence then stay clean for 5 or 10 years and I say they can vote.
But I am much more concerned about the felons RUNNING for office than felons voting.
Speaking of Hillary, what nonsense did she spew today? Let me guess? She was talking to some Boy Scouts and she told them how she made Eagle Scout back in Arkansas.
But I am much more concerned about the felons RUNNING for office than felons voting.
Speaking of Hillary, what nonsense did she spew today? Let me guess? She was talking to some Boy Scouts and she told them how she made Eagle Scout back in Arkansas.
Posted by: JB1000 at April 23, 2016 12:07 AM (DYdhz)
440
Have we moved on now?
...damnit!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:05 AM (OQ9R7)
****
No, we're still there. Wait for it.....
...damnit!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:05 AM (OQ9R7)
****
No, we're still there. Wait for it.....
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 23, 2016 12:08 AM (J109V)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:08 AM (hlMPp)
442
I've paid my debt to society, as ruled upon by a jury of my peers. You'd like to keep me from voting because I punched a guy really hard when I was twenty?
I'll leave that to the State of Ohio and take my grievances elsewhere, that being the case.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:04 AM (OQ9R7)
As far as I'm concerned, you served your time, and passed the parole period without re-offending, so you are good to go. That's how the corrections system is supposed to work; it corrects you.
I'll leave that to the State of Ohio and take my grievances elsewhere, that being the case.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:04 AM (OQ9R7)
As far as I'm concerned, you served your time, and passed the parole period without re-offending, so you are good to go. That's how the corrections system is supposed to work; it corrects you.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 12:09 AM (UsLZp)
443
"No, we're still there. Wait for it..."
-Posted by: Tim in GA at April 23, 2016 12:08 AM (J109V)
HAH... roger that.
-Posted by: Tim in GA at April 23, 2016 12:08 AM (J109V)
HAH... roger that.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:09 AM (OQ9R7)
444
On the spectrum of things I'm worried about the fact
that millions upon millions of third world invaders are waltzing into
my country with the full imprimatur of our elected representatives
worries and vexes me more greatly than
the idea of felons getting their constitutional rights restored.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 23, 2016 12:05 AM (WVvzl)
They're all of a piece. Surely you see that. The common thread is the granting of a say in society to those who by rights should have no say, either because they proved themselves unworthy of having a say, or because they're not citizens in the first place.
Turn it around: if you were trying to subvert the nation, what would you differently than that?
"Criminals, vote for us! We'll go easy on you!"
"Third World shitheads, vote for us! We'll give you free shit!"
that millions upon millions of third world invaders are waltzing into
my country with the full imprimatur of our elected representatives
worries and vexes me more greatly than
the idea of felons getting their constitutional rights restored.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 23, 2016 12:05 AM (WVvzl)
They're all of a piece. Surely you see that. The common thread is the granting of a say in society to those who by rights should have no say, either because they proved themselves unworthy of having a say, or because they're not citizens in the first place.
Turn it around: if you were trying to subvert the nation, what would you differently than that?
"Criminals, vote for us! We'll go easy on you!"
"Third World shitheads, vote for us! We'll give you free shit!"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:09 AM (oKE6c)
445
436 @417
On the spectrum of things I'm worried about the fact that millions upon millions of third world invaders are waltzing into my country with the full imprimatur of our elected representatives worries and vexes me more greatly than
the idea of felons getting their constitutional rights restored.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 23, 2016 12:05 AM (WVvzl)
They are the same thing, in a sense, because ethnic politics is driving the show on the felon vote issue; as is the issue of all standards being dependent upon how they impact one electorally.
On the spectrum of things I'm worried about the fact that millions upon millions of third world invaders are waltzing into my country with the full imprimatur of our elected representatives worries and vexes me more greatly than
the idea of felons getting their constitutional rights restored.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 23, 2016 12:05 AM (WVvzl)
They are the same thing, in a sense, because ethnic politics is driving the show on the felon vote issue; as is the issue of all standards being dependent upon how they impact one electorally.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:09 AM (J3UIw)
446
You'd be amazed at how heavy an M1 is running around the quad with it held above the head one handed, with the other hand grasping your genitals, all while chanting "this is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun".
You'd be amazed at how heavy an M1 is running around the quad with it held above the head one handed, with the other hand grasping your genitals, all while chanting "this is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun".
Posted by: irongrampa at April 23, 2016 12:10 AM (P/8aq)
447
"Turn it around: if you were trying to subvert the nation, what would you differently than that?"
Well, a lot...
Well, a lot...
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:10 AM (J3UIw)
448
MAx, that's interesting (to me). A dear older friend, WWII Navy nurse and a Central Casting icon of Greatest Generation, Midwestern character, just passed a few weeks ago. She was engaged to a guy who was KIA in the Pacific - she never married.
The photos at her memorial reception were amazing. One I recall in particular, 4 young good looking Navy nurses, in their dark blues, sitting at a table in a famous Hollywood restaurant.
RIP Betty. I'm sure Heaven is noticeably more orderly - and "jackasses" are straightened out more quickly - now that you're running a wing up there .....
The photos at her memorial reception were amazing. One I recall in particular, 4 young good looking Navy nurses, in their dark blues, sitting at a table in a famous Hollywood restaurant.
RIP Betty. I'm sure Heaven is noticeably more orderly - and "jackasses" are straightened out more quickly - now that you're running a wing up there .....
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:10 AM (QDnY+)
449
A heavy, beautiful, thunderbolt-launching piece of history.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:02 AM (QDnY+)
Nice phrasing/description
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:02 AM (QDnY+)
Nice phrasing/description
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:11 AM (hlMPp)
450
By the way, I want to give a shout-out to Brent Cochran, who included me in a general e-mail alert regarding the whereabouts of one of the Morons. It is a good thing that there are folks here who care enough to do that.
Take a bow, BC.
Take a bow, BC.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 12:11 AM (UsLZp)
451
Here in the kingdom, generational bureaucrats run the prisons as a business.
Release recidivists after the start of the fiscal year...chances are they'll be back before the fiscal year is out.
More tax dollars at work.
Release recidivists after the start of the fiscal year...chances are they'll be back before the fiscal year is out.
More tax dollars at work.
Posted by: Hillbillyking at April 23, 2016 12:11 AM (b/iQK)
452
Rome didn't fall in a day. I've read that most contemporary reports from the era of the Roman Empire's collapse were generally optimistic...
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 23, 2016 12:11 AM (kP16F)
453
406 The Founding Fathers missed a step. There should be three houses of Congress. The House of Representatives, who represent the People; the Senate, who represent the States; and the Committee of Resources, who represent Taxpayers. You get one proxy to the Committee of Resources for every dollar of taxes you pay. Top 200 proxy holders get seats.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
They didn't miss anything. Property qualification to vote back in their day.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:54 PM (J3UIw)
Good point, but didn't and was certainly close.....but tying it to the taxes paid would have been optimal.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
They didn't miss anything. Property qualification to vote back in their day.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:54 PM (J3UIw)
Good point, but didn't and was certainly close.....but tying it to the taxes paid would have been optimal.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:12 AM (EzgxV)
454
Prayers for you dad, chemjeff... glad he's out of the woods..
Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at April 23, 2016 12:13 AM (UpGcq)
455
My point was that the exercise of rights/privileges is not all or nothing; we as a society place restrictions on such exercise as we deem appropriate, so arguments to the contrary are sophistry. It's perfectly appropriate to release convicts from prison, but not restore them to their previous state of legal virginity.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Sorry I'm behind, the ONT has picked up steam and I've engaged with too many people, lol.
For this, I'll say...if the condition of release is "you'll never be restored your full rights for the rest of your life", then they do not deserve to be released.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Sorry I'm behind, the ONT has picked up steam and I've engaged with too many people, lol.
For this, I'll say...if the condition of release is "you'll never be restored your full rights for the rest of your life", then they do not deserve to be released.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:13 AM (CXLVd)
456
Surely it's been asked already but since McAuliffe wants them to return to full citizenship will I see them at the Dulles show tomorrow legally exercising their 2A rights?
*i know it's not enacted yet so tomorrow is a given they won't be.
But if not.....why not?
*i know it's not enacted yet so tomorrow is a given they won't be.
But if not.....why not?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:14 AM (hlMPp)
457
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 12:11 AM (UsLZp)
So was that a good resolution? He's ok?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 12:11 AM (UsLZp)
So was that a good resolution? He's ok?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:15 AM (hlMPp)
458
Posted by: Oedipus at April 22, 2016 11:56 PM (CXLVd)
It was absolutely not directed at you. I was, as is usual, not nearly as funny as I think I am.
My apologies for being unclear.
It was absolutely not directed at you. I was, as is usual, not nearly as funny as I think I am.
My apologies for being unclear.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 23, 2016 12:15 AM (Zu3d9)
459
Posted by: Molly k
..............
Sorry for you having to go thru this.. I had a similar situation here.. toxic family relations forced me to cut all ties, even though it was heartbreaking when my Mom died.
..............
Sorry for you having to go thru this.. I had a similar situation here.. toxic family relations forced me to cut all ties, even though it was heartbreaking when my Mom died.
Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at April 23, 2016 12:16 AM (UpGcq)
460
CBD, when I say "kid" I mean maybe late 20s? But giggling when shooting the M1 is for "kids of all ages," in my view ....
IG, heck, I think the Garand would seem heavy to hold one-handed even *if* the other hand wasn't cupping the family jewels!
I actually mentioned this to the group yesterday. I noted how the average GI in WWII was probably two inches shorter and 20-40 pounds lighter than they are (young guys in good shape). And the shooter held up his AR in one hand and the M1 in the other for comparison.
IG, heck, I think the Garand would seem heavy to hold one-handed even *if* the other hand wasn't cupping the family jewels!
I actually mentioned this to the group yesterday. I noted how the average GI in WWII was probably two inches shorter and 20-40 pounds lighter than they are (young guys in good shape). And the shooter held up his AR in one hand and the M1 in the other for comparison.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:16 AM (QDnY+)
461
I'd put a waiting period like 5 years post-release
from jail / parole. But then yeah if you're a good boy/girl for 5 years,
you get the right to vote back.
Posted by: They're There Their at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (0LHZx)
Think, people, think! What would happen under that policy? Here's a hint: what happened to grades in college when men getting below a certain GPA became subject to the draft?
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Think of what happens to the policy "let's keep setting the FELONY bar lower and lower, and a greater percentage of the population who exhibits behavior *WE* find unacceptable no longer has citizenship rights"
from jail / parole. But then yeah if you're a good boy/girl for 5 years,
you get the right to vote back.
Posted by: They're There Their at April 22, 2016 11:24 PM (0LHZx)
Think, people, think! What would happen under that policy? Here's a hint: what happened to grades in college when men getting below a certain GPA became subject to the draft?
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Think of what happens to the policy "let's keep setting the FELONY bar lower and lower, and a greater percentage of the population who exhibits behavior *WE* find unacceptable no longer has citizenship rights"
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:16 AM (CXLVd)
462
He had never touched an M1, and he was just about giggling after he shot it.
Posted by: rhomboid
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BUT, did you demonstrate 'M1 Thumb' acquisition, and most important of all, explain the stacking swivel?
Posted by: rhomboid
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BUT, did you demonstrate 'M1 Thumb' acquisition, and most important of all, explain the stacking swivel?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 12:17 AM (oFSUK)
463
"Gave them the 2-minute brief on the penetration ability, how it was the
first semi-auto in mass use by an army and what an advantage it
provided."
Hope you worked in the praise lavished upon it by Patton.
first semi-auto in mass use by an army and what an advantage it
provided."
Hope you worked in the praise lavished upon it by Patton.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2016 12:17 AM (noWW6)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:17 AM (OQ9R7)
465
There was a fellow who once walked around Portland (Maine!) with a loaded AR-15-type weapon (Not illegal in ME) just to prove a point... The city folk went nuts!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 23, 2016 12:18 AM (kP16F)
466
A lot of good arguments on both sides about the felon vote --- but you guys haven't come up with the main reason McSleaze gave for his royal edict.
You see, giving felons the vote helps to reverse the legacy of Jim Crow. Yes! That was his major argument!
Can you imagine what flak a non-Dem would get for such a statement?!? He's equating felons with blacks.
You see, giving felons the vote helps to reverse the legacy of Jim Crow. Yes! That was his major argument!
Can you imagine what flak a non-Dem would get for such a statement?!? He's equating felons with blacks.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2016 12:18 AM (T/5A0)
467
446
You'd be amazed at how heavy an M1 is running around the quad with it held above the head one handed, with the other hand grasping your genitals, all while chanting "this is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun".
Posted by: irongrampa at April 23, 2016 12:10 AM (P/8aq)
The M1 was light compared to genitals.
Evening irongrampa. Nice to see you around.
You'd be amazed at how heavy an M1 is running around the quad with it held above the head one handed, with the other hand grasping your genitals, all while chanting "this is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun".
Posted by: irongrampa at April 23, 2016 12:10 AM (P/8aq)
The M1 was light compared to genitals.
Evening irongrampa. Nice to see you around.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:18 AM (hlMPp)
468
453 406 The Founding Fathers missed a step. There should be three houses of Congress. The House of Representatives, who represent the People; the Senate, who represent the States; and the Committee of Resources, who represent Taxpayers. You get one proxy to the Committee of Resources for every dollar of taxes you pay. Top 200 proxy holders get seats.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
They didn't miss anything. Property qualification to vote back in their day.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:54 PM (J3UIw)
Good point, but didn't and was certainly close.....but tying it to the taxes paid would have been optimal.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:12 AM (EzgxV)
On a practical perspective, they never could have done it. It would have smacked too much of the House of Lords (because it would have been for all practical purposes one), plus...go take a look sometime at the colonial capitals before the Revolution, and the state ones after. You might notice an interesting trend, and in that trend is a story.
One that met its final consummation in West Virginia becoming such.
Just because one elite throws off a more distant elite does not mean people are going to follow it. The nearer elite is going to have to cut some deals with the...people with less. Or else the people with less are going to be supporting the Tories.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
They didn't miss anything. Property qualification to vote back in their day.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 22, 2016 11:54 PM (J3UIw)
Good point, but didn't and was certainly close.....but tying it to the taxes paid would have been optimal.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:12 AM (EzgxV)
On a practical perspective, they never could have done it. It would have smacked too much of the House of Lords (because it would have been for all practical purposes one), plus...go take a look sometime at the colonial capitals before the Revolution, and the state ones after. You might notice an interesting trend, and in that trend is a story.
One that met its final consummation in West Virginia becoming such.
Just because one elite throws off a more distant elite does not mean people are going to follow it. The nearer elite is going to have to cut some deals with the...people with less. Or else the people with less are going to be supporting the Tories.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:18 AM (J3UIw)
469
Think, people, think! What would happen under that policy? Here's a hint: what happened to grades in college when men getting below a certain GPA became subject to the draft?
Posted by: Jay Guevara
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Air Force enlistments went up?
Posted by: Jay Guevara
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Air Force enlistments went up?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 12:19 AM (oFSUK)
470
Not here in the U.S. they are not. Unless there is some other component to the charge, they are misdemeanors.
Posted by: Tim in GA
In NC, 3rd-ish(?) DUI is a felony.
Posted by: Tim in GA
In NC, 3rd-ish(?) DUI is a felony.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:20 AM (CXLVd)
471
I disagree profoundly, Jay. I cannot emphasize how emphatically I will defend voting rights for those with proper identification.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:20 AM (OQ9R7)
472
The M1 was light compared to genitals.
Evening irongrampa. Nice to see you around.
Posted by: RWC
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*struggles to recall*
Empty... 9lb. 6 ozs.? or was it 9.6 lbs.?
Evening irongrampa. Nice to see you around.
Posted by: RWC
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*struggles to recall*
Empty... 9lb. 6 ozs.? or was it 9.6 lbs.?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 12:20 AM (oFSUK)
473
The Founding Fathers missed a step. There should be three houses of Congress. The House of Representatives, who represent the People; the Senate, who represent the States; and the Committee of Resources, who represent Taxpayers. You get one proxy to the Committee of Resources for every dollar of taxes you pay. Top 200 proxy holders get seats.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
I believe that the states should be allowed to have one of their legislative chambers represent only by those who do not take more directly from the state than they pay in taxes.
Of course, I think they should be able to allocates state Senate seats based on regions rather than population.
If California had the same "Federal system" for it's state Senate that it had in the early sixties, than they'd have a GOP majority... which would have saved California from so many problems.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 22, 2016 11:51 PM (EzgxV)
I believe that the states should be allowed to have one of their legislative chambers represent only by those who do not take more directly from the state than they pay in taxes.
Of course, I think they should be able to allocates state Senate seats based on regions rather than population.
If California had the same "Federal system" for it's state Senate that it had in the early sixties, than they'd have a GOP majority... which would have saved California from so many problems.
Posted by: The Allocating Hat at April 23, 2016 12:21 AM (vBeA5)
474
So was that a good resolution? He's ok?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:15 AM (hlMPp)
He's fine; posted on the ONT earlier, in fact.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:15 AM (hlMPp)
He's fine; posted on the ONT earlier, in fact.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 12:22 AM (UsLZp)
475
To those who say let felons vote, I say fine. Do it thru the legislative process.
No executive orders.
No executive orders.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2016 12:22 AM (voOPb)
476
Posted by: rhomboid
That's awesome. I want to get an M1 from CMP before the JEF leaves so I can call it my "ObamaGun".
That's awesome. I want to get an M1 from CMP before the JEF leaves so I can call it my "ObamaGun".
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:22 AM (CXLVd)
477
In NC, 3rd-ish(?) DUI is a felony.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:20 AM (CXLVd)
****
That is under the three strikes law for any misdemeanor. A single DUI with no other component is not a felony.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:20 AM (CXLVd)
****
That is under the three strikes law for any misdemeanor. A single DUI with no other component is not a felony.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 23, 2016 12:23 AM (J109V)
478
..."You see, giving felons the vote helps to reverse the legacy of Jim Crow. Yes! That was his major argument!
Can you imagine what flak a non-Dem would get for such a statement?!? He's equating felons with blacks."
-Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2016 12:18 AM (T/5A0)
Yes. Of course. I'm trying to work from a concrete baseline foundation, unlike Mr. McJackass.
Can you imagine what flak a non-Dem would get for such a statement?!? He's equating felons with blacks."
-Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2016 12:18 AM (T/5A0)
Yes. Of course. I'm trying to work from a concrete baseline foundation, unlike Mr. McJackass.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:23 AM (OQ9R7)
479
417
If you want to experience the pain of disenfranchisement, be a conservative, and live in California.
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (iMxBJ)
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Oh, the rest of us will know your pain soon enough.
If you want to experience the pain of disenfranchisement, be a conservative, and live in California.
Posted by: Splunge at April 22, 2016 11:58 PM (iMxBJ)
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Oh, the rest of us will know your pain soon enough.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2016 12:23 AM (T/5A0)
480
Thanks RWC - I kinda like it myself, may use it again some time .....
Mike Hammer, funny you should mention M1 thumb. I didn't get into that detail (and loaded the clips for them to shoot myself). But down on the main range, the lead range officer, a classic guy who was a Marine in the 50s/60s, apparently got distracted and gave himself a modest version of M1 thumb. Said it had never happened to him in the Corps (he's got a beautiful Winchester he's had since the early 70s).
torque - no, I failed to use the Patton quote - definitely a slip-up there.
Mike Hammer, funny you should mention M1 thumb. I didn't get into that detail (and loaded the clips for them to shoot myself). But down on the main range, the lead range officer, a classic guy who was a Marine in the 50s/60s, apparently got distracted and gave himself a modest version of M1 thumb. Said it had never happened to him in the Corps (he's got a beautiful Winchester he's had since the early 70s).
torque - no, I failed to use the Patton quote - definitely a slip-up there.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:24 AM (QDnY+)
481
Think of what happens to the policy "let's keep
setting the FELONY bar lower and lower, and a greater percentage of the
population who exhibits behavior *WE* find unacceptable no longer has
citizenship rights"
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:16 AM (CXLVd)
As I said above, corruption of the process is a completely different issue.
The question before the house is how things ought to work, in an ideal world. How we fear they might be subverted by a Democrat polity is another issue entirely. In that case - a totally corrupt Democrat polity using the law as a weapon against political opponents - the rational strategy would be to agitate against enforcement of ANY laws.
That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about how a sensible, rational, moral republic ought to deal with serious offenders (which felons, by definition, are).
setting the FELONY bar lower and lower, and a greater percentage of the
population who exhibits behavior *WE* find unacceptable no longer has
citizenship rights"
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:16 AM (CXLVd)
As I said above, corruption of the process is a completely different issue.
The question before the house is how things ought to work, in an ideal world. How we fear they might be subverted by a Democrat polity is another issue entirely. In that case - a totally corrupt Democrat polity using the law as a weapon against political opponents - the rational strategy would be to agitate against enforcement of ANY laws.
That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about how a sensible, rational, moral republic ought to deal with serious offenders (which felons, by definition, are).
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:24 AM (oKE6c)
482
480 Thanks RWC - I kinda like it myself, may use it again some time .....
Mike Hammer, funny you should mention M1 thumb. I didn't get into that detail (and loaded the clips for them to shoot myself). But down on the main range, the lead range officer, a classic guy who was a Marine in the 50s/60s, apparently got distracted and gave himself a modest version of M1 thumb. Said it had never happened to him in the Corps (he's got a beautiful Winchester he's had since the early 70s).
torque - no, I failed to use the Patton quote - definitely a slip-up there.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:24 AM (QDnY+)
I gave myself one in OCS, on a drill rifle, on the grinder right in front of P-cola Bay. Thought of it still hurts.
I remember spending the next half-hour trying to not to get blood on my khakis.
Mike Hammer, funny you should mention M1 thumb. I didn't get into that detail (and loaded the clips for them to shoot myself). But down on the main range, the lead range officer, a classic guy who was a Marine in the 50s/60s, apparently got distracted and gave himself a modest version of M1 thumb. Said it had never happened to him in the Corps (he's got a beautiful Winchester he's had since the early 70s).
torque - no, I failed to use the Patton quote - definitely a slip-up there.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:24 AM (QDnY+)
I gave myself one in OCS, on a drill rifle, on the grinder right in front of P-cola Bay. Thought of it still hurts.
I remember spending the next half-hour trying to not to get blood on my khakis.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:26 AM (J3UIw)
483
471 I disagree profoundly, Jay. I cannot emphasize how emphatically I will defend voting rights for those with proper identification.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:20 AM (OQ9R7)
Why?
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:20 AM (OQ9R7)
Why?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:26 AM (oKE6c)
484
A warp drive would be a great leap for humanity kind, but humanity needs to seriously look around first.
Because, if you leapt before you looked,
Your goose is cooked.
Because, if you leapt before you looked,
Your goose is cooked.
Posted by: Neil DeFoisGrasse Tyson at April 23, 2016 12:26 AM (WZk8x)
485
The BAR would have been the finest implement of war ever devised - if it came with a simple gd 30-round magazine!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at April 23, 2016 12:26 AM (kP16F)
486
"I noted how the average GI in WWII was probably two inches shorter and
20-40 pounds lighter than they are (young guys in good shape)."
Yes! Yes! Good on ya. Glad you noted that for them.
I made a similar point once, and got baffled stares in response. What, people were smaller then? How'd THAT happen? Shrink rays? Interbreeding with dwarves?
I had to point out that an 18-year-old reporting at boot in 1942 was likely to have spent his late childhood and adolescence under hard Depression-era conditions. Nutritional deficiencies at those ages have lasting results.
Which you would think would be obvious, but, then again, reflect upon the parlous state of the educational system. What percentage of the USA's young can correctly chronologically locate both the Depression and WWII?
20-40 pounds lighter than they are (young guys in good shape)."
Yes! Yes! Good on ya. Glad you noted that for them.
I made a similar point once, and got baffled stares in response. What, people were smaller then? How'd THAT happen? Shrink rays? Interbreeding with dwarves?
I had to point out that an 18-year-old reporting at boot in 1942 was likely to have spent his late childhood and adolescence under hard Depression-era conditions. Nutritional deficiencies at those ages have lasting results.
Which you would think would be obvious, but, then again, reflect upon the parlous state of the educational system. What percentage of the USA's young can correctly chronologically locate both the Depression and WWII?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2016 12:27 AM (noWW6)
487
..."That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about how a sensible, rational, moral republic ought to deal with serious offenders (which felons, by definition, are)."
-Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:24 AM (oKE6c)
As I said, I'll leave it to each State to decide. I can then vote with my feet.
-Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:24 AM (oKE6c)
As I said, I'll leave it to each State to decide. I can then vote with my feet.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:27 AM (OQ9R7)
488
Said it had never happened to him in the Corps (he's got a beautiful Winchester he's had since the early 70s).
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Having executed dozens and dozens of 'Inspection Arms' executions, I became adept at avoiding M1 Thumb.
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Having executed dozens and dozens of 'Inspection Arms' executions, I became adept at avoiding M1 Thumb.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 12:28 AM (oFSUK)
489
The question before the house is how things ought to work, in an ideal world. How we fear they might be subverted by a Democrat polity is another issue entirely.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:24 AM (oKE6c)
Every proposal before a commonwealth for its adoption should always have two elements: what is the good that can accrue, and how can it be misused?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:24 AM (oKE6c)
Every proposal before a commonwealth for its adoption should always have two elements: what is the good that can accrue, and how can it be misused?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:28 AM (J3UIw)
490
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 12:22 AM (UsLZp)
Great to hear. Saw some of it in the FB group and folks were worried and a bit angry.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 12:22 AM (UsLZp)
Great to hear. Saw some of it in the FB group and folks were worried and a bit angry.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:28 AM (hlMPp)
491
Oedipus, as I told the group of younger folks, get one now because the gettin's good.
CMP has finally said it sees the end in sight for regular (rack- and service-grade) M1s. So at some point in the not distant future - theyza all gone. At least for the excellent price ($630-$730), with the CMP assurance of safety and function.
So get one now, just because. I'm agonizing over getting a third one myself. I lucked out on the first two (great GI wood, excellent metal and throat/muzzle readings), pondering getting a Service Grade Special (those are $1K) to mix things up (and the new barrels mean it'll outlive me, most likely).
CMP has finally said it sees the end in sight for regular (rack- and service-grade) M1s. So at some point in the not distant future - theyza all gone. At least for the excellent price ($630-$730), with the CMP assurance of safety and function.
So get one now, just because. I'm agonizing over getting a third one myself. I lucked out on the first two (great GI wood, excellent metal and throat/muzzle readings), pondering getting a Service Grade Special (those are $1K) to mix things up (and the new barrels mean it'll outlive me, most likely).
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:29 AM (QDnY+)
492
As I said, I'll leave it to each State to decide. I can then vote with my feet.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:27 AM (OQ9R7)
OK, fair enough. I'll plump for Federalism.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:27 AM (OQ9R7)
OK, fair enough. I'll plump for Federalism.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:29 AM (oKE6c)
493
Time for the old folk. Lazy day again tomorrow.
Remember, y'all--we are Americans,so the head is held HIGH--most especially during present times.
This is STILL the most exceptional country on the planet.
Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.
Remember, y'all--we are Americans,so the head is held HIGH--most especially during present times.
This is STILL the most exceptional country on the planet.
Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 23, 2016 12:29 AM (P/8aq)
494
A words we invented by getting it wrong is a neologism. Usage, not etymology be determine definition.
Posted by: Neil DeFoisGrasse Tyson at April 23, 2016 12:29 AM (WZk8x)
495
I had to point out that an 18-year-old reporting at boot in 1942 was likely to have spent his late childhood and adolescence under hard Depression-era conditions. Nutritional deficiencies at those ages have lasting results.
Which you would think would be obvious, but, then again, reflect upon the parlous state of the educational system. What percentage of the USA's young can correctly chronologically locate both the Depression and WWII?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2016 12:27 AM (noWW6)
This is in fact the genesis for the federal school lunch program. Draftee fitness, based upon med exam failure rates of WWII.
Which you would think would be obvious, but, then again, reflect upon the parlous state of the educational system. What percentage of the USA's young can correctly chronologically locate both the Depression and WWII?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2016 12:27 AM (noWW6)
This is in fact the genesis for the federal school lunch program. Draftee fitness, based upon med exam failure rates of WWII.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:30 AM (J3UIw)
496
Every proposal before a commonwealth for its
adoption should always have two elements: what is the good that can
accrue, and how can it be misused?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:28 AM (J3UIw)
With Democrat polities gleefully considering the latter as an opportunity.
adoption should always have two elements: what is the good that can
accrue, and how can it be misused?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:28 AM (J3UIw)
With Democrat polities gleefully considering the latter as an opportunity.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:30 AM (oKE6c)
497
483 471 I disagree profoundly, Jay. I cannot emphasize how emphatically I will defend voting rights for those with proper identification.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:20 AM (OQ9R7)
Why?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:26 AM (oKE6c)
I suspect contemplation of @432 might give you an answer.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:20 AM (OQ9R7)
Why?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:26 AM (oKE6c)
I suspect contemplation of @432 might give you an answer.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:32 AM (EzgxV)
498
Welp, that's it for Titanic.
Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (sdi6R)
499
I suspect contemplation of @432 might give you an answer.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:32 AM (EzgxV)
I meant on a philosophical basis, not one of naked self-interest.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:32 AM (EzgxV)
I meant on a philosophical basis, not one of naked self-interest.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (oKE6c)
500
496 Every proposal before a commonwealth for its
adoption should always have two elements: what is the good that can
accrue, and how can it be misused?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:28 AM (J3UIw)
With Democrat polities gleefully considering the latter as an opportunity.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:30 AM (oKE6c)
Yes, for as the Democrats believe, a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or else what is a government for?
adoption should always have two elements: what is the good that can
accrue, and how can it be misused?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:28 AM (J3UIw)
With Democrat polities gleefully considering the latter as an opportunity.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:30 AM (oKE6c)
Yes, for as the Democrats believe, a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or else what is a government for?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (J3UIw)
501
Yes, for as the Democrats believe, a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or else what is a government for?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (J3UIw)
Well, that would explain why Democrat politicians are so grasping.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (J3UIw)
Well, that would explain why Democrat politicians are so grasping.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:34 AM (oKE6c)
502
torque, exactly. And to darken the picture a bit (why am I always doing that?), I'd say most of my/our contemporaries would without prompting not think about their parents' generation actually being smaller, and one of the causes.
I forget the rejection rate for physical reasons early in the war - but it was stunningly high.
Mike H. - I relied on a few excellent threads at the CMP forum, and the WWII training films (available online) to learn that the original technique meant no problem in loading a clip (at worst, the bolt knocks your thumb up out of the way). I don't use the blade-of-hand on the op-rod technique that was apparently taught in post-war years - just the straight thumb-down quick push method. Which was the original one.
I forget the rejection rate for physical reasons early in the war - but it was stunningly high.
Mike H. - I relied on a few excellent threads at the CMP forum, and the WWII training films (available online) to learn that the original technique meant no problem in loading a clip (at worst, the bolt knocks your thumb up out of the way). I don't use the blade-of-hand on the op-rod technique that was apparently taught in post-war years - just the straight thumb-down quick push method. Which was the original one.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:35 AM (QDnY+)
503
If an ISIS recruit were elected as president of the US, how would he behave and speak, as one seeking to advance their cause but not wanting anyone to catch on too quickly? Just throwing that out there. I'm not implying anything.
Posted by: bixarro Karen Lewis at April 23, 2016 12:35 AM (WZk8x)
504
499 I suspect contemplation of @432 might give you an answer.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:32 AM (EzgxV)
I meant on a philosophical basis, not one of naked self-interest.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (oKE6c)
I wouldn't think of it as "naked self-interest" when someone who is involved, engaged, intelligent, and moral projects his personal experience upon the electorate. Does "philosophical" mean "intentionally blind"?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:32 AM (EzgxV)
I meant on a philosophical basis, not one of naked self-interest.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (oKE6c)
I wouldn't think of it as "naked self-interest" when someone who is involved, engaged, intelligent, and moral projects his personal experience upon the electorate. Does "philosophical" mean "intentionally blind"?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:36 AM (EzgxV)
505
Yes, for as the Democrats believe, a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or else what is a government for?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (J3UIw)
Robert Browning << John Moses Browning.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (J3UIw)
Robert Browning << John Moses Browning.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:36 AM (oKE6c)
506
501 Yes, for as the Democrats believe, a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or else what is a government for?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (J3UIw)
Well, that would explain why Democrat politicians are so grasping.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:34 AM (oKE6c)
Think of another sense of "grasp".
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (J3UIw)
Well, that would explain why Democrat politicians are so grasping.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:34 AM (oKE6c)
Think of another sense of "grasp".
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:37 AM (J3UIw)
507
Losing the right to vote is not a big deal, really; half of the population doesn't even bother to vote, so little does the right mean to them. In addition, in the case you cite, I expect prosecutorial discretion would preclude a felony rap for that (rare) case.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
You're right, Jay. All this thread, I've been using "right to vote" as a proxy for "right to keep and bear arms". They're both enumerated constitutional rights.
I have a BIL, can't stand the guy...I swear if I have to spend another Christmas with him I'll go and hang with my mother in the next state over...but he is a multiple misdemeanor drug offender, whose multiples triggered the "felony" toggle. No dealing, no selling, just multiple possession charges. Whatever, no violence. Did his time, changed his ways, is a good Christian man (heck, 100x better Christian than I am), married a beautiful Kenyan (legal, went throught the whole process of naturalization) immigrant woman (Kenyan, so very black, he's even SJW-compliant), is helping raise her son as one of the finest young men I've ever met...and the guy can't vote, can't own a firearm to protect his family.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
You're right, Jay. All this thread, I've been using "right to vote" as a proxy for "right to keep and bear arms". They're both enumerated constitutional rights.
I have a BIL, can't stand the guy...I swear if I have to spend another Christmas with him I'll go and hang with my mother in the next state over...but he is a multiple misdemeanor drug offender, whose multiples triggered the "felony" toggle. No dealing, no selling, just multiple possession charges. Whatever, no violence. Did his time, changed his ways, is a good Christian man (heck, 100x better Christian than I am), married a beautiful Kenyan (legal, went throught the whole process of naturalization) immigrant woman (Kenyan, so very black, he's even SJW-compliant), is helping raise her son as one of the finest young men I've ever met...and the guy can't vote, can't own a firearm to protect his family.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:37 AM (CXLVd)
508
506 501 Yes, for as the Democrats believe, a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or else what is a government for?
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (J3UIw)
Well, that would explain why Democrat politicians are so grasping.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:34 AM (oKE6c)
Think of another sense of "grasp".
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:37 AM (J3UIw)
Unless you mean "grasping for understanding".
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:33 AM (J3UIw)
Well, that would explain why Democrat politicians are so grasping.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:34 AM (oKE6c)
Think of another sense of "grasp".
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:37 AM (J3UIw)
Unless you mean "grasping for understanding".
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:38 AM (J3UIw)
509
I wouldn't think of it as "naked self-interest" when
someone who is involved, engaged, intelligent, and moral projects his
personal experience upon the electorate. Does "philosophical" mean
"intentionally blind"?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:36 AM (EzgxV)
No, it means "speaking to the underlying principles, independent of how they affect or reflect a particular individual's circumstances or interests."
someone who is involved, engaged, intelligent, and moral projects his
personal experience upon the electorate. Does "philosophical" mean
"intentionally blind"?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:36 AM (EzgxV)
No, it means "speaking to the underlying principles, independent of how they affect or reflect a particular individual's circumstances or interests."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:38 AM (oKE6c)
510
Jay... because individual rehabilitation is individually brought-upon one's self.
It is not one-size-fits-all.
As a twenty-year-old, I was a reactionary, punch-silly, "Likes-To-Fight-Guy". As a twenty-five-year-old, I had not found God, but I was aware that I was not living like a Human Being.
I scraped and saved and opened a business. One year later, I searched for God and found Him.
I would like to vote because I feel I have reformed myself. I no longer want to punch people for "being stupid".
I'm just a guy who likes to cook, now.
I just do my job and relive what happened at age twenty, every now-and-then.
I almost killed a guy because I was young and stupid. Two punches and God stand between me and life imprisonment.
Nothing is as cut-and-dried as it may seem.
It is not one-size-fits-all.
As a twenty-year-old, I was a reactionary, punch-silly, "Likes-To-Fight-Guy". As a twenty-five-year-old, I had not found God, but I was aware that I was not living like a Human Being.
I scraped and saved and opened a business. One year later, I searched for God and found Him.
I would like to vote because I feel I have reformed myself. I no longer want to punch people for "being stupid".
I'm just a guy who likes to cook, now.
I just do my job and relive what happened at age twenty, every now-and-then.
I almost killed a guy because I was young and stupid. Two punches and God stand between me and life imprisonment.
Nothing is as cut-and-dried as it may seem.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:38 AM (OQ9R7)
511
To Jay, and Puntfex, AOP, and every other moron who has participated in the felon/voting discussion - kudos.
I opted out of it at the outset and then started a rivulet on the M1, but want to laud the brain power and civic literacy on display in that debate.
AOSHQ and the ONT - your one-stop online shopping site for in-depth philosophical debates, rigorous economic analysis, historical perspective, learned firearm discussions, and, um - well, boobs.
I opted out of it at the outset and then started a rivulet on the M1, but want to laud the brain power and civic literacy on display in that debate.
AOSHQ and the ONT - your one-stop online shopping site for in-depth philosophical debates, rigorous economic analysis, historical perspective, learned firearm discussions, and, um - well, boobs.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 23, 2016 12:40 AM (QDnY+)
512
I am fallible. I am simply a man. I get pissed. I get prayerful. I get not wanting "people like me" to vote.
State laws are what State laws will be.
I can live with that.
State laws are what State laws will be.
I can live with that.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:42 AM (OQ9R7)
513
>>>Nothing is as cut-and-dried as it may seem.
Ain't that the truth Slap
I know from personal experience and I will leave it at that
Ain't that the truth Slap
I know from personal experience and I will leave it at that
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2016 12:44 AM (voOPb)
514
Can we go back to the music thread now? lol.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:45 AM (OQ9R7)
515
When they say, "believe nothing you read and only half of what you see." --?
That rings so true with me.
That rings so true with me.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:47 AM (OQ9R7)
516
There is an argument/disagreement at the HQ on a Friday ONT and nobody has been called an anti-American faux socialist cocksucker who is being duped.
Y'all are drunk or high, right.... ;P
Y'all are drunk or high, right.... ;P
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:50 AM (hlMPp)
517
Not the story of all felons, but my cousin did time for having enough drugs on him to be charged with a felony in the 70's or 80's. Then he got heavily involved with N.A. and worked tirelessly to help others. He was very disappointed to have lost his vote. I wish he'd had a way to earn it back before he passed due to a bad heart.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 12:51 AM (GzDYP)
518
516 There is an argument/disagreement at the HQ on a Friday ONT and nobody has been called an anti-American faux socialist cocksucker who is being duped.
Y'all are drunk or high, right.... ;P
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:50 AM (hlMPp)
Well, I don't like to call down fire on myself, and hope no one else notices.
Y'all are drunk or high, right.... ;P
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:50 AM (hlMPp)
Well, I don't like to call down fire on myself, and hope no one else notices.
Posted by: Puntfex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:51 AM (J3UIw)
519
You Commit Three Felonies a Day
You Commit Three Felonies a Day
Posted by: Spun and Murky at April 23, 2016 12:51 AM (Bi1Tt)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 23, 2016 12:51 AM (KId5h)
521
And for the life of me I cannot get the "i" to stay in Puntifex. It's been a typo all night.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:52 AM (J3UIw)
522
My Faith has not been shaken, however. My love, curiosity and young-hearted tendencies returned long-ago.
Through tragedy, pain and self-inflicted idiocy, one can find one's self anew through a strident Quest to be Good.
To be better, at first and then to honestly assess one's self, so as to be closer to Him.
Don't get me wrong. I'm still an idiot. I simply strive to be a Moron.
Through tragedy, pain and self-inflicted idiocy, one can find one's self anew through a strident Quest to be Good.
To be better, at first and then to honestly assess one's self, so as to be closer to Him.
Don't get me wrong. I'm still an idiot. I simply strive to be a Moron.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:55 AM (OQ9R7)
523
I am confidant that taught to drive, the adorable Miss Sophie would steer straight for the local pet food emporium. Probably run down a couple of cats on the way.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 12:55 AM (9mTYi)
524
516 There is an argument/disagreement at the HQ on a Friday ONT and
nobody has been called an anti-American faux socialist cocksucker who is
being duped.
Only an anti-American faux socialist cocksucker who is
being duped would point that out.
It wasn't really an argument, so much as a debate, and an enjoyable and informative one at that. No need or place for personal vituperation. Just different viewpoints rubbing up against each other.
nobody has been called an anti-American faux socialist cocksucker who is
being duped.
Only an anti-American faux socialist cocksucker who is
being duped would point that out.
It wasn't really an argument, so much as a debate, and an enjoyable and informative one at that. No need or place for personal vituperation. Just different viewpoints rubbing up against each other.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:55 AM (oKE6c)
525
>>Well, I don't like to call down fire on myself, and hope no one else notices.
I've completely lost my temper in church and used some very profane language. I wasn't struck down, you won't either here
I've completely lost my temper in church and used some very profane language. I wasn't struck down, you won't either here
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2016 12:56 AM (voOPb)
526
517 ---"... He was very disappointed to have lost his vote. I wish he'd had a way to earn it back..."
Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 12:51 AM (GzDYP)
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I like the idea someone above had of a waiting period plus some kind of simple civics course --- a way to "earn it back," as you say.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 12:51 AM (GzDYP)
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I like the idea someone above had of a waiting period plus some kind of simple civics course --- a way to "earn it back," as you say.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2016 12:56 AM (T/5A0)
527
A bayoneted M1, with proper technique, will completely demolish a recliner. At both, close and long range.
My granndad actually used one.... so, he was an interesting instructor on the merits.
I had a fucking blast as a kid.
My granndad actually used one.... so, he was an interesting instructor on the merits.
I had a fucking blast as a kid.
Posted by: Hillbillyking at April 23, 2016 12:57 AM (b/iQK)
528
Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 12:51 AM (GzDYP)
The WMAL callers in support of this (yes, an outlier.) but they sounded like it could be your brother. They screwed up, and then gave back enormously. Upstanding citizens all.
But really, this is a bullshit political move.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 12:51 AM (GzDYP)
The WMAL callers in support of this (yes, an outlier.) but they sounded like it could be your brother. They screwed up, and then gave back enormously. Upstanding citizens all.
But really, this is a bullshit political move.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:57 AM (hlMPp)
529
Mike, Toby riding shotgun?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2016 12:58 AM (voOPb)
530
The Chicago corollary to Browning:
"A man's reach should exceed his graft, or else racketeering charges."
"A man's reach should exceed his graft, or else racketeering charges."
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 12:58 AM (J3UIw)
531
..."He was very disappointed to have lost his vote. I wish he'd had a way to earn it back before he passed due to a bad heart."
-Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 12:51 AM (GzDYP)
My condolences, OldDominionMom. Such are the penalties. I can only wish greater goodness upon your sweet, sweet heart.
-Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 12:51 AM (GzDYP)
My condolences, OldDominionMom. Such are the penalties. I can only wish greater goodness upon your sweet, sweet heart.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:58 AM (OQ9R7)
532
OldDominionMom,
The bad vibe wasn't directed at you. Please don't take it that way.
It's just so political.
The bad vibe wasn't directed at you. Please don't take it that way.
It's just so political.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:58 AM (hlMPp)
533
I'm on about my 10th or so beer, so I'm probably destined to be off here soon (but not yet!), but I do have to thank my Morons for a great though exercise tonight, especially Jay Guevara. Jay, we may not have come to agreement on anything tonight, we may not have moved each other in the right direction (but I think you're budging!!!!), but what a respectful conversation we've had! Man, I've not been able to disagree with somebody (read: libs/leftists) about anything with such comity as I have tonight.
I love you Morons. *hugs*
I love you Morons. *hugs*
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 12:59 AM (CXLVd)
534
509 I wouldn't think of it as "naked self-interest" when
someone who is involved, engaged, intelligent, and moral projects his
personal experience upon the electorate. Does "philosophical" mean
"intentionally blind"?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:36 AM (EzgxV)
No, it means "speaking to the underlying principles, independent of how they affect or reflect a particular individual's circumstances or interests."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:38 AM (oKE6c)
The underlying principle is that having been a felon in the past doesn't correlate well with being a thoughtful, principled, moral voter today. I would posit that certain types of felon should certainly be barred from certain types of activities -- and, yes, multiple voting in ONE election should forever bar you from voting in ANY election thereafter -- as well as lobbying, serving in elected office, public assistance, or government jobs. Child molestation should forever bar you from being a priest or schoolteacher. Drug offences should bar you from being a pharmacist....
But fundamental rights, especially those as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons.
someone who is involved, engaged, intelligent, and moral projects his
personal experience upon the electorate. Does "philosophical" mean
"intentionally blind"?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:36 AM (EzgxV)
No, it means "speaking to the underlying principles, independent of how they affect or reflect a particular individual's circumstances or interests."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 23, 2016 12:38 AM (oKE6c)
The underlying principle is that having been a felon in the past doesn't correlate well with being a thoughtful, principled, moral voter today. I would posit that certain types of felon should certainly be barred from certain types of activities -- and, yes, multiple voting in ONE election should forever bar you from voting in ANY election thereafter -- as well as lobbying, serving in elected office, public assistance, or government jobs. Child molestation should forever bar you from being a priest or schoolteacher. Drug offences should bar you from being a pharmacist....
But fundamental rights, especially those as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:59 AM (EzgxV)
535
Mike, Toby riding shotgun?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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I would not trust that animal with a weapon of any kind. The result would be something like a Sam Peckinpah movie.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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I would not trust that animal with a weapon of any kind. The result would be something like a Sam Peckinpah movie.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:00 AM (9mTYi)
536
Yeah, that's right...I just went straight to the:
"I LOVE YOU, MAN!!!"
drunk talk.
So shut up, morons.
"I LOVE YOU, MAN!!!"
drunk talk.
So shut up, morons.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 01:00 AM (CXLVd)
537
Nothing is as cut-and-dried as it may seem.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:38 AM (OQ9R7)
What about the pardon process? To cross the Canada/USA border, either way, one can not be an unpardoned felon. If I got a DUI in Canada, I could lose the privilege of entering the USA. I have a friend with a 30 year-old pot conviction who can't enter the USA.
But if one has kept his nose clean for X number of years since the the most recent conviction, he can apply for a pardon, which I think is usually forthcoming absent an overwhelming reason why not. A pardon "seals" one's criminal record, and permits crossing the border again. And I believe that works both directions.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 12:38 AM (OQ9R7)
What about the pardon process? To cross the Canada/USA border, either way, one can not be an unpardoned felon. If I got a DUI in Canada, I could lose the privilege of entering the USA. I have a friend with a 30 year-old pot conviction who can't enter the USA.
But if one has kept his nose clean for X number of years since the the most recent conviction, he can apply for a pardon, which I think is usually forthcoming absent an overwhelming reason why not. A pardon "seals" one's criminal record, and permits crossing the border again. And I believe that works both directions.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 01:01 AM (UsLZp)
538
re the top pic --
That dog won't hunt.
re restoring felon rights -- I agree it is a states issue. I also think that IF you are going mark the bill Paid In Full for a felon that has completed all phases of his/her sentence, then restore ALL rights. Yep, including the right to own firearms.
That's the best position I can think that would stop gubners from restoring voting rights. McAuliff would have vetoed that idea so fast his head would have spun.
That dog won't hunt.
re restoring felon rights -- I agree it is a states issue. I also think that IF you are going mark the bill Paid In Full for a felon that has completed all phases of his/her sentence, then restore ALL rights. Yep, including the right to own firearms.
That's the best position I can think that would stop gubners from restoring voting rights. McAuliff would have vetoed that idea so fast his head would have spun.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2016 01:01 AM (gyKtp)
539
Latest figures I could find:
The rearrest rate for property offenders, drug offenders, and public-order offenders increased significantly from 1983 to 1994. During that time, the rearrest rate increased:
- from 68.1% to 73.8% for property offenders
- from 50.4% to 66.7% for drug offenders
- from 54.6% to 62.2% for public-order offenders
The rearrest rate for property offenders, drug offenders, and public-order offenders increased significantly from 1983 to 1994. During that time, the rearrest rate increased:
- from 68.1% to 73.8% for property offenders
- from 50.4% to 66.7% for drug offenders
- from 54.6% to 62.2% for public-order offenders
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:02 AM (9mTYi)
540
I like Jay because he is reasoned and fair. He's always got a beer waiting for him in Cleveland.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:02 AM (OQ9R7)
541
535 Mike, Toby riding shotgun?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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I would not trust that animal with a weapon of any kind. The result would be something like a Sam Peckinpah movie.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:00 AM (9mTYi)
Thanks for the giggle Mike.
And on that note I am signing off.
See you morons later down the road.
Be well
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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I would not trust that animal with a weapon of any kind. The result would be something like a Sam Peckinpah movie.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:00 AM (9mTYi)
Thanks for the giggle Mike.
And on that note I am signing off.
See you morons later down the road.
Be well
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2016 01:03 AM (voOPb)
542
"re restoring felon rights -- I agree it is a states issue. I also think that IF you are going mark the bill Paid In Full for a felon that has completed all phases of his/her sentence, then restore ALL rights. Yep, including the right to own firearms.
That's the best position I can think that would stop gubners from restoring voting rights. McAuliff would have vetoed that idea so fast his head would have spun.
Posted by: GnuBreed "
That's a really good aspect I completely missed.
That's the best position I can think that would stop gubners from restoring voting rights. McAuliff would have vetoed that idea so fast his head would have spun.
Posted by: GnuBreed "
That's a really good aspect I completely missed.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 23, 2016 01:04 AM (CXLVd)
543
-Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 01:01 AM (UsLZp)
I can only speak for myself and hope that Canada doesn't fear me... lol.
I can only speak for myself and hope that Canada doesn't fear me... lol.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:04 AM (OQ9R7)
544
516 There is an argument/disagreement at the HQ on a Friday ONT and nobody has been called an anti-American faux socialist cocksucker who is being duped.
Y'all are drunk or high, right.... ;P
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:50 AM (hlMPp)
It's the ONT, so betting that a large proportion are drunk is like sayign the sun will rise in the east.
Y'all are drunk or high, right.... ;P
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 12:50 AM (hlMPp)
It's the ONT, so betting that a large proportion are drunk is like sayign the sun will rise in the east.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:05 AM (EzgxV)
545
Oh, and I have a Passport. Some felonies are more egregious than others.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:05 AM (OQ9R7)
546
The rearrest rate for property offenders, drug offenders, and public-order offenders increased significantly from 1983 to 1994. During that time, the rearrest rate increased:
- from 68.1% to 73.8% for property offenders
- from 50.4% to 66.7% for drug offenders
- from 54.6% to 62.2% for public-order offenders
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:02 AM (9mTYi)
Which makes those who don't re-offend (or least don't get caught re-offending, that much more special, no?
- from 68.1% to 73.8% for property offenders
- from 50.4% to 66.7% for drug offenders
- from 54.6% to 62.2% for public-order offenders
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:02 AM (9mTYi)
Which makes those who don't re-offend (or least don't get caught re-offending, that much more special, no?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 01:09 AM (UsLZp)
547
But fundamental rights, especially those as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:59 AM (EzgxV)
But they are not curtailed *arbitrarily*. The common theme is this--act like a tyrant on the small, act like a tyrant on the big. Unethically put yourself first once when against the law, assuredly unethically put yourself first when with the law.
Civilization is the story of the rejection of Darwin, of being something more than we are. We have no need to rush to enfranchise those who, in the personal, have embraced might makes right. This is not to mean there is not redemption--if done right, with redemption, citizenship as a concept can gain. For if you make citizenship as something that has to be worked for, then you increase its value, and that means others who have not "sinned" but who otherwise hold the thing cheap will have a forcing function to make them understand there is a certain base floor for the birthright, and that others have done more to exercise their full rights than they have, and hence are perhaps more virtuous in the current, even though having been less virtuous in the prior.
And this should then prod those who have not sinned but hold citizenship cheap to at least meet the standard of knowledge and behavior required for the felon to regain his rights.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:59 AM (EzgxV)
But they are not curtailed *arbitrarily*. The common theme is this--act like a tyrant on the small, act like a tyrant on the big. Unethically put yourself first once when against the law, assuredly unethically put yourself first when with the law.
Civilization is the story of the rejection of Darwin, of being something more than we are. We have no need to rush to enfranchise those who, in the personal, have embraced might makes right. This is not to mean there is not redemption--if done right, with redemption, citizenship as a concept can gain. For if you make citizenship as something that has to be worked for, then you increase its value, and that means others who have not "sinned" but who otherwise hold the thing cheap will have a forcing function to make them understand there is a certain base floor for the birthright, and that others have done more to exercise their full rights than they have, and hence are perhaps more virtuous in the current, even though having been less virtuous in the prior.
And this should then prod those who have not sinned but hold citizenship cheap to at least meet the standard of knowledge and behavior required for the felon to regain his rights.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:09 AM (J3UIw)
548
We knew MacAwful was here just to help the Clintons this year, so yes, this is blatant and hard to fight in the soundbite world.
Thanks, those who wouldn't help Cooch.
If I had any faith in gov't, I'd say that parole officers could help judge when a person is rehabilitated.
Thanks, those who wouldn't help Cooch.
If I had any faith in gov't, I'd say that parole officers could help judge when a person is rehabilitated.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 01:10 AM (GzDYP)
549
It's the ONT, so betting that a large proportion are drunk is like sayign the sun will rise in the east.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:05 AM (EzgxV)
So what you're saying is more off the day walkers need to drink. I agree
Main point was that the ONT is much more civil place lately.
It's the ONT, so betting that a large proportion are drunk is like sayign the sun will rise in the east.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:05 AM (EzgxV)
So what you're saying is more off the day walkers need to drink. I agree
Main point was that the ONT is much more civil place lately.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 01:11 AM (hlMPp)
550
Off-of
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 01:11 AM (hlMPp)
551
Main point was that the ONT is much more civil place lately.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 01:11 AM (hlMPp)
Jane, you ignorant slut.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 01:11 AM (hlMPp)
Jane, you ignorant slut.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:12 AM (J3UIw)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:12 AM (OQ9R7)
553
Oh, and I have a Passport. Some felonies are more egregious than others.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:05 AM (OQ9R7)
You could probably enter Canada. But I think obtaining a pardon would ensure you could enter Canada. Perhaps there is an on-line process whereby you could vet yourself for entry? But surely your local Canadian Consulate could tell you, should you have the desire to go. And I would certainly recommend that you check first, because being refused entry at the border or immigration counter at the airport is embarrassing, costly, and likely to complicate the process of future entry.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:05 AM (OQ9R7)
You could probably enter Canada. But I think obtaining a pardon would ensure you could enter Canada. Perhaps there is an on-line process whereby you could vet yourself for entry? But surely your local Canadian Consulate could tell you, should you have the desire to go. And I would certainly recommend that you check first, because being refused entry at the border or immigration counter at the airport is embarrassing, costly, and likely to complicate the process of future entry.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 01:14 AM (UsLZp)
554
I don't want to enter Canada.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:14 AM (OQ9R7)
555
So there's that.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:15 AM (OQ9R7)
556
...unless I'm fishing far from home, I suppose.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:16 AM (OQ9R7)
557
So there's that.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:15 AM (OQ9R7)
That's OK by me. But would the pardon process in your State restore your voting rights? That might be worth a look.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:15 AM (OQ9R7)
That's OK by me. But would the pardon process in your State restore your voting rights? That might be worth a look.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 01:17 AM (UsLZp)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:17 AM (OQ9R7)
559
Civilization is the story of the rejection of Darwin,
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:09 AM (J3UIw)
That's not really true. Natural selection is what makes civilization strong and it appears in all manner of places and situations, from choosing a mate and having children to being able to make money and power (affecting the above) to many other aspects.
I think I agree with most of what you said after, though I'm not exactly sure.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:09 AM (J3UIw)
That's not really true. Natural selection is what makes civilization strong and it appears in all manner of places and situations, from choosing a mate and having children to being able to make money and power (affecting the above) to many other aspects.
I think I agree with most of what you said after, though I'm not exactly sure.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:17 AM (zc3Db)
560
549 >> Main point was that the ONT is much more civil place lately.
We've traveled thru most of the stages of grief, and are now at begrudging Acceptance. Trump will be the nominee most likely, with a slim chance of Ted yet.
Of course, a few well deserved bannings helped too
We've traveled thru most of the stages of grief, and are now at begrudging Acceptance. Trump will be the nominee most likely, with a slim chance of Ted yet.
Of course, a few well deserved bannings helped too
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2016 01:18 AM (gyKtp)
561
Which makes those who don't re-offend (or least don't get caught re-offending, that much more special, no?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Maybe. I do some work with prison ministries. The recidivism rate among those who pass through the Kairos program ( http://kairosprisonministry.org/ )is a little less than 16%. Very different that the general population.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Maybe. I do some work with prison ministries. The recidivism rate among those who pass through the Kairos program ( http://kairosprisonministry.org/ )is a little less than 16%. Very different that the general population.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:18 AM (9mTYi)
562
*un-static*
I can vote in Ohio. Let my goofiness not trouble you any further, Good Sir!
*static*
I can vote in Ohio. Let my goofiness not trouble you any further, Good Sir!
*static*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:18 AM (OQ9R7)
563
Of course, a few well deserved bannings helped too
Posted by: GnuBreed
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When I am President everybody will be banned. The government will pay for banning, it will be FREE.
Posted by: GnuBreed
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When I am President everybody will be banned. The government will pay for banning, it will be FREE.
Posted by: Bernie at April 23, 2016 01:22 AM (9mTYi)
564
G'Night, Evry-Buddy!
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:23 AM (OQ9R7)
565
562 *un-static*
I can vote in Ohio. Let my goofiness not trouble you any further, Good Sir!
*static*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:18 AM (OQ9R7)
That is more than I can do. But that is because I won't be changing registration from the ancestral state until I start paying property taxes.
Which is in about a month.
Q: Does the soil *ever* dry out here?
I can vote in Ohio. Let my goofiness not trouble you any further, Good Sir!
*static*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:18 AM (OQ9R7)
That is more than I can do. But that is because I won't be changing registration from the ancestral state until I start paying property taxes.
Which is in about a month.
Q: Does the soil *ever* dry out here?
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:23 AM (J3UIw)
566
"I am confidant that taught to drive, the adorable Miss Sophie would steer straight for the local pet food emporium."
Not bad for a quadruped!
Not bad for a quadruped!
Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2016 01:23 AM (noWW6)
567
547 But fundamental rights, especially those as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:59 AM (EzgxV)
But they are not curtailed *arbitrarily*. The common theme is this--act like a tyrant on the small, act like a tyrant on the big. Unethically put yourself first once when against the law, assuredly unethically put yourself first when with the law.
Civilization is the story of the rejection of Darwin, of being something more than we are. We have no need to rush to enfranchise those who, in the personal, have embraced might makes right. This is not to mean there is not redemption--if done right, with redemption, citizenship as a concept can gain. For if you make citizenship as something that has to be worked for, then you increase its value, and that means others who have not "sinned" but who otherwise hold the thing cheap will have a forcing function to make them understand there is a certain base floor for the birthright, and that others have done more to exercise their full rights than they have, and hence are perhaps more virtuous in the current, even though having been less virtuous in the prior.
And this should then prod those who have not sinned but hold citizenship cheap to at least meet the standard of knowledge and behavior required for the felon to regain his rights.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:09 AM (J3UIw)
I think you're putting the akSENT on the wrong sylLABLE. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." And, yet, felons are regularly denied Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness within due process of law.
In my response, I noted, "should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons" -- but cited several examples of curtailment by law for related reasons. You chose to focus on the word "arbitrarily", where my statement was linking "unrelated" to "arbitrarily". If a felon's offence relates to a fundamental Right, it is meet and just to consider limiting this particular Right in the future; for those Rights not related to a felon's offence, he should retain those unalienable Rights granted him by his Creator.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:59 AM (EzgxV)
But they are not curtailed *arbitrarily*. The common theme is this--act like a tyrant on the small, act like a tyrant on the big. Unethically put yourself first once when against the law, assuredly unethically put yourself first when with the law.
Civilization is the story of the rejection of Darwin, of being something more than we are. We have no need to rush to enfranchise those who, in the personal, have embraced might makes right. This is not to mean there is not redemption--if done right, with redemption, citizenship as a concept can gain. For if you make citizenship as something that has to be worked for, then you increase its value, and that means others who have not "sinned" but who otherwise hold the thing cheap will have a forcing function to make them understand there is a certain base floor for the birthright, and that others have done more to exercise their full rights than they have, and hence are perhaps more virtuous in the current, even though having been less virtuous in the prior.
And this should then prod those who have not sinned but hold citizenship cheap to at least meet the standard of knowledge and behavior required for the felon to regain his rights.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:09 AM (J3UIw)
I think you're putting the akSENT on the wrong sylLABLE. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." And, yet, felons are regularly denied Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness within due process of law.
In my response, I noted, "should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons" -- but cited several examples of curtailment by law for related reasons. You chose to focus on the word "arbitrarily", where my statement was linking "unrelated" to "arbitrarily". If a felon's offence relates to a fundamental Right, it is meet and just to consider limiting this particular Right in the future; for those Rights not related to a felon's offence, he should retain those unalienable Rights granted him by his Creator.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:24 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Toonces at April 23, 2016 01:25 AM (9mTYi)
569
Trumpincruzinatorsich 2016!
And if you don't agree you are filled with pure evil and hate America and suck cock by choice.
Did I win anyone to my side whichever it may be?
But good it for the moment horde, unless thef In insomnia kicks in,
Have a great Saturday.
*praying I'll be on the water
And if you don't agree you are filled with pure evil and hate America and suck cock by choice.
Did I win anyone to my side whichever it may be?
But good it for the moment horde, unless thef In insomnia kicks in,
Have a great Saturday.
*praying I'll be on the water
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 01:25 AM (hlMPp)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 01:26 AM (hlMPp)
571
Maybe. I do some work with prison ministries. The recidivism rate among those who pass through the Kairos program ( http://kairosprisonministry.org/ )is a little less than 16%. Very different that the general population.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:18 AM (9mTYi)
Well, the entire object of the so-called "correctional system" is to correct the bad behavior of those people trusted to its care. That's a tautology, or close to it. So those who don't re-offend can considered as success stories for the process. The fact that so many of the general population does re-offend would seem to indicate that something is amiss.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:18 AM (9mTYi)
Well, the entire object of the so-called "correctional system" is to correct the bad behavior of those people trusted to its care. That's a tautology, or close to it. So those who don't re-offend can considered as success stories for the process. The fact that so many of the general population does re-offend would seem to indicate that something is amiss.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 01:27 AM (UsLZp)
572
In my response, I noted, "should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons" -- but cited several examples of curtailment by law for related reasons. You chose to focus on the word "arbitrarily", where my statement was linking "unrelated" to "arbitrarily". If a felon's offence relates to a fundamental Right, it is meet and just to consider limiting this particular Right in the future; for those Rights not related to a felon's offence, he should retain those unalienable Rights granted him by his Creator.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:24 AM (EzgxV)
Bravo.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:24 AM (EzgxV)
Bravo.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:27 AM (J3UIw)
573
for those Rights not related to a felon's offence, he should retain those unalienable Rights granted him by his Creator.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:24 AM (EzgxV)
Of course it depends on what the felony is ... but losing more than you have taken is one of the consequences that one should be open to for criminal action. One clearly loses all rights one took from others - there is no question about the fairness and logic of this - but he should also lose more rights as the cost of punishment.
The criminal has no great argument to claim he retains any rights just because he didn't violate those rights in others to carry out his crime. The criminal doesn't get to choose his own punishment.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:24 AM (EzgxV)
Of course it depends on what the felony is ... but losing more than you have taken is one of the consequences that one should be open to for criminal action. One clearly loses all rights one took from others - there is no question about the fairness and logic of this - but he should also lose more rights as the cost of punishment.
The criminal has no great argument to claim he retains any rights just because he didn't violate those rights in others to carry out his crime. The criminal doesn't get to choose his own punishment.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:29 AM (zc3Db)
574
"I think you're putting the akSENT on the wrong sylLABLE. "
The CHRIStopher walKEN school of thinking.
The CHRIStopher walKEN school of thinking.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:29 AM (J3UIw)
575
Bravo.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:27 AM (J3UIw)
Not meant sarcastically. As one professional to another.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:27 AM (J3UIw)
Not meant sarcastically. As one professional to another.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:29 AM (J3UIw)
576
Thanks guys. I do miss my cuz. He cleaned out hud houses and saw the worst of what drugs do. He'd find Barney VCR tapes and load them into his Harley saddlebags to bring them to my daughter and solve the world's problems over tea.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 01:30 AM (GzDYP)
577
572 In my response, I noted, "should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons" -- but cited several examples of curtailment by law for related reasons. You chose to focus on the word "arbitrarily", where my statement was linking "unrelated" to "arbitrarily". If a felon's offence relates to a fundamental Right, it is meet and just to consider limiting this particular Right in the future; for those Rights not related to a felon's offence, he should retain those unalienable Rights granted him by his Creator.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:24 AM (EzgxV)
Bravo.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:27 AM (J3UIw)
*curtseys*
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:24 AM (EzgxV)
Bravo.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:27 AM (J3UIw)
*curtseys*
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:31 AM (EzgxV)
578
-Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:29 AM (zc3Db)
Listening to ^this dick^ talk about "criminality" is like listening to Putin talk about Representative Republics.
Listening to ^this dick^ talk about "criminality" is like listening to Putin talk about Representative Republics.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:32 AM (OQ9R7)
579
574 "I think you're putting the akSENT on the wrong sylLABLE. "
The CHRIStopher walKEN school of thinking.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:29 AM (J3UIw)
You do what you can with what you got.
574 "I think you're putting the akSENT on the wrong sylLABLE. "
The CHRIStopher walKEN school of thinking.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:29 AM (J3UIw)
You do what you can with what you got.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:32 AM (EzgxV)
580
Good Night
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:33 AM (OQ9R7)
581
*dial tone*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:33 AM (OQ9R7)
582
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:32 AM (OQ9R7)
... yeah ... whatever. I had forgotten what you were really like.
... yeah ... whatever. I had forgotten what you were really like.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:36 AM (zc3Db)
583
The fact that so many of the general population does re-offend would seem to indicate that something is amiss.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Well... just my own observation, but socialization plays a big part in the way that people behave. For a variety of reasons, some folks head down the wrong path and it simply is outside of their psychology to get back on the right path.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Well... just my own observation, but socialization plays a big part in the way that people behave. For a variety of reasons, some folks head down the wrong path and it simply is outside of their psychology to get back on the right path.
Posted by: Toonces at April 23, 2016 01:36 AM (9mTYi)
584
Oops. Drops Toonces sock.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:37 AM (9mTYi)
585
448 Yeah I always consider it a blessing- a mitzvah- that these incredibly tough kind and generous badasses will not be here to see the utter BULLSHIT that the country they sacrificed so much for is hurtling into at a million miles an hour. On purpose.
So many screaming whiny assholes today claiming the trauma of seeing chalk. These people who saw and did so much completely awful horrifying stuff and then just came home after the war and silently went about building the America we could be proud of. And said almost nothing to anyone about it.
448 Yeah I always consider it a blessing- a mitzvah- that these incredibly tough kind and generous badasses will not be here to see the utter BULLSHIT that the country they sacrificed so much for is hurtling into at a million miles an hour. On purpose.
So many screaming whiny assholes today claiming the trauma of seeing chalk. These people who saw and did so much completely awful horrifying stuff and then just came home after the war and silently went about building the America we could be proud of. And said almost nothing to anyone about it.
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 01:38 AM (LAliD)
586
579
574 "I think you're putting the akSENT on the wrong sylLABLE. "
The CHRIStopher walKEN school of thinking.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:29 AM (J3UIw)
You do what you can with what you got.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:32 AM (EzgxV)
As long as PEOple understand what is IMPORtant. Voice Inflection. As in "600...600....600...SEHHHven hundred.....EIGHT HUNDRED...EIGHT HUNDRED...600...600"
574 "I think you're putting the akSENT on the wrong sylLABLE. "
The CHRIStopher walKEN school of thinking.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:29 AM (J3UIw)
You do what you can with what you got.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:32 AM (EzgxV)
As long as PEOple understand what is IMPORtant. Voice Inflection. As in "600...600....600...SEHHHven hundred.....EIGHT HUNDRED...EIGHT HUNDRED...600...600"
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:38 AM (J3UIw)
587
"... yeah ... whatever. I had forgotten what you were really like."
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:36 AM (zc3Db)
"Said the amoral thief."
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:36 AM (zc3Db)
"Said the amoral thief."
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:40 AM (OQ9R7)
588
495 50% of the 18-year-olds today couldn't qualify for boot camp cuz they're too fuckin' FAT
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 01:42 AM (LAliD)
589
I'm out.
Sleep tight, folks.
Sleep tight, folks.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2016 01:42 AM (9mTYi)
590
G'Night, Hammer.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (OQ9R7)
591
573 for those Rights not related to a felon's offence, he should retain those unalienable Rights granted him by his Creator.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:24 AM (EzgxV)
Of course it depends on what the felony is ... but losing more than you have taken is one of the consequences that one should be open to for criminal action. One clearly loses all rights one took from others - there is no question about the fairness and logic of this - but he should also lose more rights as the cost of punishment.
The criminal has no great argument to claim he retains any rights just because he didn't violate those rights in others to carry out his crime. The criminal doesn't get to choose his own punishment.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:29 AM (zc3Db)
Well, yeah -- that's why the BIG 3 are on the line -- Life, Liberty, pursuit of Happiness. You do forgery -- you lose part of your threescore years and ten, you spend it in a place not of your choosing doing what authorities command you to do, and your Happiness options are significantly limited during your term there.....but you should also be barred from preparing tax returns and financial statements, acting as a fiduciary or financial counselor, or working for a bank or brokerage in the future.
I don't believe you should lose the right to free speech, freedom of religion, or freedom to arm yourself......frankly, even while you're imprisoned. You shouldn't become an unperson -- lose all rights -- for any reason, ever.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:24 AM (EzgxV)
Of course it depends on what the felony is ... but losing more than you have taken is one of the consequences that one should be open to for criminal action. One clearly loses all rights one took from others - there is no question about the fairness and logic of this - but he should also lose more rights as the cost of punishment.
The criminal has no great argument to claim he retains any rights just because he didn't violate those rights in others to carry out his crime. The criminal doesn't get to choose his own punishment.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:29 AM (zc3Db)
Well, yeah -- that's why the BIG 3 are on the line -- Life, Liberty, pursuit of Happiness. You do forgery -- you lose part of your threescore years and ten, you spend it in a place not of your choosing doing what authorities command you to do, and your Happiness options are significantly limited during your term there.....but you should also be barred from preparing tax returns and financial statements, acting as a fiduciary or financial counselor, or working for a bank or brokerage in the future.
I don't believe you should lose the right to free speech, freedom of religion, or freedom to arm yourself......frankly, even while you're imprisoned. You shouldn't become an unperson -- lose all rights -- for any reason, ever.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (EzgxV)
592
588 495 50% of the 18-year-olds today couldn't qualify for boot camp cuz they're too fuckin' FAT
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 01:42 AM (LAliD)
And using myself as a datum, it's even worse for the 47-year olds. Of course, after the third boot camp, you've had your fill.
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 01:42 AM (LAliD)
And using myself as a datum, it's even worse for the 47-year olds. Of course, after the third boot camp, you've had your fill.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (J3UIw)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 23, 2016 01:44 AM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 01:45 AM (LAliD)
595
I don't believe you should lose the right to free speech, freedom of religion, or freedom to arm yourself......frankly, even while you're imprisoned. You shouldn't become an unperson -- lose all rights -- for any reason, ever.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (EzgxV)
And that is something I could see--right to arms, not right to vote. Once your out, of course.
I'll let you defend yourself. I will not allow you to boss me, even as a fraction of a majority. Until you redeem yourself, in a way that did not involve 24-hour supervision and bars.
If you wish to deny me the "right" to choose a policy, if you wish to be my master, via a majority, I demand a little something from those who have demonstrated manifest unsuitability to be members of the community when left to their own druthers.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (EzgxV)
And that is something I could see--right to arms, not right to vote. Once your out, of course.
I'll let you defend yourself. I will not allow you to boss me, even as a fraction of a majority. Until you redeem yourself, in a way that did not involve 24-hour supervision and bars.
If you wish to deny me the "right" to choose a policy, if you wish to be my master, via a majority, I demand a little something from those who have demonstrated manifest unsuitability to be members of the community when left to their own druthers.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:48 AM (J3UIw)
596
Neil Young had some good tunes. I find his voice to be kind of a nasal whine, all too often, though.
And he has become an annoying hypocritical "save-de-Erf-er" in his old age.
Shut up and sing, Neil.
And he has become an annoying hypocritical "save-de-Erf-er" in his old age.
Shut up and sing, Neil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2016 01:49 AM (UsLZp)
597
Culver City kids are getting short again because they've been eating M.Obama's breakfasts and lunches for 8 years now.
True story I've seen it
Culver City kids are getting short again because they've been eating M.Obama's breakfasts and lunches for 8 years now.
True story I've seen it
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 01:52 AM (LAliD)
598
596 Oh yeah for the last 30 years I can't stand him except for "Harvest Moon"
The song not the album
596 Oh yeah for the last 30 years I can't stand him except for "Harvest Moon"
The song not the album
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 01:54 AM (LAliD)
599
I don't believe you should lose the right to free speech, freedom of religion, or freedom to arm yourself......frankly, even while you're imprisoned. You shouldn't become an unperson -- lose all rights -- for any reason, ever.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (EzgxV)
Imprisonment is state slavery as criminal punishment. For a certain level of crime (and subsequent conviction) the prisoner should lose all rights. Someone who is sentenced to life in prison, say, should not retain any rights, at all. Such a prisoner can be extended temporary privileges, but there is nothing that that prisoner should be able to claim as "a right".
Frankly, the whole religion thing in jail - from Jewish inmates being able to demand kosher meals to muslims demanding halal meals - is totally ridiculous. You committed a crime to get yourself thrown into prison (and we are just assuming that all was fine with the trial and such) then your religious sensibilities are just going to have to put up being ignored for the time you earned. No accommodations should be made for these prisoners.
Prison is slavery and it's Constitutionally sanctioned slavery as punishment for a crime. Any serious felony should carry with it the loss of most rights of the prisoner, if not all. Not bullshit felonies, but serious ones. The bullshit felonies can still see freedom of religion and other rights lost while incarcerated. Tough.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (EzgxV)
Imprisonment is state slavery as criminal punishment. For a certain level of crime (and subsequent conviction) the prisoner should lose all rights. Someone who is sentenced to life in prison, say, should not retain any rights, at all. Such a prisoner can be extended temporary privileges, but there is nothing that that prisoner should be able to claim as "a right".
Frankly, the whole religion thing in jail - from Jewish inmates being able to demand kosher meals to muslims demanding halal meals - is totally ridiculous. You committed a crime to get yourself thrown into prison (and we are just assuming that all was fine with the trial and such) then your religious sensibilities are just going to have to put up being ignored for the time you earned. No accommodations should be made for these prisoners.
Prison is slavery and it's Constitutionally sanctioned slavery as punishment for a crime. Any serious felony should carry with it the loss of most rights of the prisoner, if not all. Not bullshit felonies, but serious ones. The bullshit felonies can still see freedom of religion and other rights lost while incarcerated. Tough.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:56 AM (zc3Db)
600
Harvest Moon's beginning is ripped off from the Everly Bros. 'Walk Right Back"
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 01:56 AM (LAliD)
601
These people who saw and did so much completely awful horrifying stuff and then just came home after the war and silently went about building the America we could be proud of. And said almost nothing to anyone about it.
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 01:38 AM (LAliD)This
Yes. This. Very much. The stories need to be told.
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 01:38 AM (LAliD)This
Yes. This. Very much. The stories need to be told.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 01:58 AM (GzDYP)
602
595 I don't believe you should lose the right to free speech, freedom of religion, or freedom to arm yourself......frankly, even while you're imprisoned. You shouldn't become an unperson -- lose all rights -- for any reason, ever.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (EzgxV)
And that is something I could see--right to arms, not right to vote. Once your out, of course.
I'll let you defend yourself. I will not allow you to boss me, even as a fraction of a majority. Until you redeem yourself, in a way that did not involve 24-hour supervision and bars.
If you wish to deny me the "right" to choose a policy, if you wish to be my master, via a majority, I demand a little something from those who have demonstrated manifest unsuitability to be members of the community when left to their own druthers.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:48 AM (J3UIw)
As noted upthread -- originally, voting was limited to holders of property. There is a vast gap in responsibility where that used to stand.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (EzgxV)
And that is something I could see--right to arms, not right to vote. Once your out, of course.
I'll let you defend yourself. I will not allow you to boss me, even as a fraction of a majority. Until you redeem yourself, in a way that did not involve 24-hour supervision and bars.
If you wish to deny me the "right" to choose a policy, if you wish to be my master, via a majority, I demand a little something from those who have demonstrated manifest unsuitability to be members of the community when left to their own druthers.
Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:48 AM (J3UIw)
As noted upthread -- originally, voting was limited to holders of property. There is a vast gap in responsibility where that used to stand.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:59 AM (EzgxV)
603
601 Today's lightweight little shits couldn't handle the stories.
Besides, they'd interrupt any story they were being told with a scream of "Baby killer!" etc...
601 Today's lightweight little shits couldn't handle the stories.
Besides, they'd interrupt any story they were being told with a scream of "Baby killer!" etc...
Posted by: MAx at April 23, 2016 02:03 AM (LAliD)
604
599 I don't believe you should lose the right to free speech, freedom of religion, or freedom to arm yourself......frankly, even while you're imprisoned. You shouldn't become an unperson -- lose all rights -- for any reason, ever.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (EzgxV)
Imprisonment is state slavery as criminal punishment. For a certain level of crime (and subsequent conviction) the prisoner should lose all rights. Someone who is sentenced to life in prison, say, should not retain any rights, at all. Such a prisoner can be extended temporary privileges, but there is nothing that that prisoner should be able to claim as "a right".
Frankly, the whole religion thing in jail - from Jewish inmates being able to demand kosher meals to muslims demanding halal meals - is totally ridiculous. You committed a crime to get yourself thrown into prison (and we are just assuming that all was fine with the trial and such) then your religious sensibilities are just going to have to put up being ignored for the time you earned. No accommodations should be made for these prisoners.
Prison is slavery and it's Constitutionally sanctioned slavery as punishment for a crime. Any serious felony should carry with it the loss of most rights of the prisoner, if not all. Not bullshit felonies, but serious ones. The bullshit felonies can still see freedom of religion and other rights lost while incarcerated. Tough.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:56 AM (zc3Db)
Really? Prisoners should have no rights at all? Female prisoners should be raped and, once conceived, aborted according to bureaucratic whim? They should have no right to counsel or against self-incrimination? They should be required to blaspheme on command according to bureaucratic diktat? Please continue to describe this utopia.....
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 01:43 AM (EzgxV)
Imprisonment is state slavery as criminal punishment. For a certain level of crime (and subsequent conviction) the prisoner should lose all rights. Someone who is sentenced to life in prison, say, should not retain any rights, at all. Such a prisoner can be extended temporary privileges, but there is nothing that that prisoner should be able to claim as "a right".
Frankly, the whole religion thing in jail - from Jewish inmates being able to demand kosher meals to muslims demanding halal meals - is totally ridiculous. You committed a crime to get yourself thrown into prison (and we are just assuming that all was fine with the trial and such) then your religious sensibilities are just going to have to put up being ignored for the time you earned. No accommodations should be made for these prisoners.
Prison is slavery and it's Constitutionally sanctioned slavery as punishment for a crime. Any serious felony should carry with it the loss of most rights of the prisoner, if not all. Not bullshit felonies, but serious ones. The bullshit felonies can still see freedom of religion and other rights lost while incarcerated. Tough.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 01:56 AM (zc3Db)
Really? Prisoners should have no rights at all? Female prisoners should be raped and, once conceived, aborted according to bureaucratic whim? They should have no right to counsel or against self-incrimination? They should be required to blaspheme on command according to bureaucratic diktat? Please continue to describe this utopia.....
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:07 AM (EzgxV)
605
603
The ones that aren't special snowflakes could use some support. My 3 would listen to stories.
The ones that aren't special snowflakes could use some support. My 3 would listen to stories.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 23, 2016 02:11 AM (GzDYP)
606
Trumpincruzinatorsich 2016!
And if you don't agree you are filled with pure evil and hate America and suck cock by choice.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 01:25 AM (hlMPp)
PuppyMonkeyBaby for Vice-President!
And if you don't agree you are filled with pure evil and hate America and suck cock by choice.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 01:25 AM (hlMPp)
PuppyMonkeyBaby for Vice-President!
Posted by: The Campaigning Hat at April 23, 2016 02:15 AM (vBeA5)
607
Really? Prisoners should have no rights at all?
Certain classes of prisoners ... absolutely.
Female prisoners should be raped and, once conceived, aborted according to bureaucratic whim?
Whatever the legislature decides is appropriate. I doubt that any legislature is going to okay raping for the guards for the female prisoners who have achieved the highest (lowest, really) class of incarceration. A woman who tortured and murdered a bunch of people ... no, I can't say that I care what happens to her in prison (if she hasn't been put to death). But I doubt many state legislatures are going to pass the "raping" bills.
They should have no right to counsel or against self-incrimination?
Those in for life, say? Pretty much no. What is there left for them to even self-incriminate about?
They should be required to blaspheme on command according to bureaucratic diktat? Please continue to describe this utopia.....
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:07 AM (EzgxV)
I really could not care less if they think they are being made to blaspheme - whatever the examples are that you seem to be thinking of. Tough. It's prison. G-d will understand.
Certain classes of prisoners ... absolutely.
Female prisoners should be raped and, once conceived, aborted according to bureaucratic whim?
Whatever the legislature decides is appropriate. I doubt that any legislature is going to okay raping for the guards for the female prisoners who have achieved the highest (lowest, really) class of incarceration. A woman who tortured and murdered a bunch of people ... no, I can't say that I care what happens to her in prison (if she hasn't been put to death). But I doubt many state legislatures are going to pass the "raping" bills.
They should have no right to counsel or against self-incrimination?
Those in for life, say? Pretty much no. What is there left for them to even self-incriminate about?
They should be required to blaspheme on command according to bureaucratic diktat? Please continue to describe this utopia.....
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:07 AM (EzgxV)
I really could not care less if they think they are being made to blaspheme - whatever the examples are that you seem to be thinking of. Tough. It's prison. G-d will understand.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:17 AM (zc3Db)
608
Got home a while ago, and have been sitting here catching up on the comments. Really interesting discussion tonight.
That guy had a lot of good points. That other guy also had a lot of good counterpoints, though. That fellow wasn't so right, but had a few interesting ideas. The other guy was right-on. But that one guy, f' him in particular. And everybody was sort-of missing certain important distinctions.
I'd've joined in, if I'd had time. And wit. Fortunately, I don't.
That guy had a lot of good points. That other guy also had a lot of good counterpoints, though. That fellow wasn't so right, but had a few interesting ideas. The other guy was right-on. But that one guy, f' him in particular. And everybody was sort-of missing certain important distinctions.
I'd've joined in, if I'd had time. And wit. Fortunately, I don't.
Posted by: mindful webworker diving into the deep end of an empty pool at April 23, 2016 02:26 AM (sRczR)
609
607 Really? Prisoners should have no rights at all?
Certain classes of prisoners ... absolutely.
Female prisoners should be raped and, once conceived, aborted according to bureaucratic whim?
Whatever the legislature decides is appropriate. I doubt that any legislature is going to okay raping for the guards for the female prisoners who have achieved the highest (lowest, really) class of incarceration. A woman who tortured and murdered a bunch of people ... no, I can't say that I care what happens to her in prison (if she hasn't been put to death). But I doubt many state legislatures are going to pass the "raping" bills.
They should have no right to counsel or against self-incrimination?
Those in for life, say? Pretty much no. What is there left for them to even self-incriminate about?
They should be required to blaspheme on command according to bureaucratic diktat? Please continue to describe this utopia.....
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:07 AM (EzgxV)
I really could not care less if they think they are being made to blaspheme - whatever the examples are that you seem to be thinking of. Tough. It's prison. G-d will understand.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:17 AM (zc3Db)
I'm thinking that your vision of correctional institutions has more in common with Dante's Inferno than anything designed to correct.
Certain classes of prisoners ... absolutely.
Female prisoners should be raped and, once conceived, aborted according to bureaucratic whim?
Whatever the legislature decides is appropriate. I doubt that any legislature is going to okay raping for the guards for the female prisoners who have achieved the highest (lowest, really) class of incarceration. A woman who tortured and murdered a bunch of people ... no, I can't say that I care what happens to her in prison (if she hasn't been put to death). But I doubt many state legislatures are going to pass the "raping" bills.
They should have no right to counsel or against self-incrimination?
Those in for life, say? Pretty much no. What is there left for them to even self-incriminate about?
They should be required to blaspheme on command according to bureaucratic diktat? Please continue to describe this utopia.....
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:07 AM (EzgxV)
I really could not care less if they think they are being made to blaspheme - whatever the examples are that you seem to be thinking of. Tough. It's prison. G-d will understand.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:17 AM (zc3Db)
I'm thinking that your vision of correctional institutions has more in common with Dante's Inferno than anything designed to correct.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:32 AM (EzgxV)
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Disco isn't dead. It moved to Brazil so it may be dead soon from Zika.(again)
BTW; do you think they're trolling us?
Hasn't there been like some deadly disease scare every year for the last 5 or so? (maybe more but we ignored it)
I'm thinking the medical profession sees all the attention the climate alarmists are getting and want in on the sweet research money and face time on CNN.
BTW; do you think they're trolling us?
Hasn't there been like some deadly disease scare every year for the last 5 or so? (maybe more but we ignored it)
I'm thinking the medical profession sees all the attention the climate alarmists are getting and want in on the sweet research money and face time on CNN.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 02:34 AM (Xo1Rt)
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I'm thinking that your vision of correctional institutions has more in common with Dante's Inferno than anything designed to correct.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:32 AM (EzgxV)
Prison is not for correcting, it's for serving. And what could you possibly think you are correcting with someone sentenced to life?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:32 AM (EzgxV)
Prison is not for correcting, it's for serving. And what could you possibly think you are correcting with someone sentenced to life?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:34 AM (zc3Db)
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cthulhu, I saw that, last night after I checked out, you asked about how our boys turned out.
Thirty-one years later, they live, which is an important thing. Gainfully employed, also handy. They're fraternal twins, so they're different as can be, although all our kids share a sharp and ready wit - don't know where they got that.
One has been married, but recently divorced. Alas, none of the three offspring has found the right mate and given us a grandchild. (Well, one miscarriage, buried out by the AmerIndian graveyard.) Would like to live to see grandkids grow up, especially for Milady's sake. Not much else for me to live for but to spoil the grandkids.
But --- none of our kids are felons, and all not only can vote, but vote rightly. So they tell us.
Thirty-one years later, they live, which is an important thing. Gainfully employed, also handy. They're fraternal twins, so they're different as can be, although all our kids share a sharp and ready wit - don't know where they got that.
One has been married, but recently divorced. Alas, none of the three offspring has found the right mate and given us a grandchild. (Well, one miscarriage, buried out by the AmerIndian graveyard.) Would like to live to see grandkids grow up, especially for Milady's sake. Not much else for me to live for but to spoil the grandkids.
But --- none of our kids are felons, and all not only can vote, but vote rightly. So they tell us.
Posted by: mindful webworker diving into the deep end of an empty pool at April 23, 2016 02:34 AM (sRczR)
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Posted by: mindful webworker diving into the deep end of an empty pool at April 23, 2016 02:26 AM (sRczR)
I think you've made some good points there.
Now how about buying some lace wigs? Or some plumbing fittings?
I think you've made some good points there.
Now how about buying some lace wigs? Or some plumbing fittings?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 02:36 AM (Xo1Rt)
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20 to 2 and with dad at the ER. His damn back got so bad he couldn't move himself, so att empted to help him to bathroom and...yeah.
FML.
Begging for prayers. My reserves are shot.
FML.
Begging for prayers. My reserves are shot.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, turkey ain't all that's stuffed at April 23, 2016 02:38 AM (UugAp)
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Prison may be for the purpose of reforming the criminal.
Or it may be for taking them out of society so they can't do more harm.
Either way, prison for the lesser offenders should not be a torture chamber (unless that was the sentence) nor should it be a vacation get away.
In other words, minor crimes should not carry a potential death sentence in addition to time served.
Or it may be for taking them out of society so they can't do more harm.
Either way, prison for the lesser offenders should not be a torture chamber (unless that was the sentence) nor should it be a vacation get away.
In other words, minor crimes should not carry a potential death sentence in addition to time served.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 02:39 AM (Xo1Rt)
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A lot of good arguments on both sides about the felon vote --- but you guys haven't come up with the main reason McSleaze gave for his royal edict.
You see, giving felons the vote helps to reverse the legacy of Jim Crow. Yes! That was his major argument!
Can you imagine what flak a non-Dem would get for such a statement?!? He's equating felons with blacks.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille a MD.t April 23, 2016 12:18
I caught that too MD. Though it sounded a bit racist.
We have to restore voting rights to serious criminals because most of them are black and it's discrimination not to. WTeverlovingF isn't racist about that?
You see, giving felons the vote helps to reverse the legacy of Jim Crow. Yes! That was his major argument!
Can you imagine what flak a non-Dem would get for such a statement?!? He's equating felons with blacks.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille a MD.t April 23, 2016 12:18
I caught that too MD. Though it sounded a bit racist.
We have to restore voting rights to serious criminals because most of them are black and it's discrimination not to. WTeverlovingF isn't racist about that?
Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2016 02:40 AM (o/90i)
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611 I'm thinking that your vision of correctional institutions has more in common with Dante's Inferno than anything designed to correct.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:32 AM (EzgxV)
Prison is not for correcting, it's for serving. And what could you possibly think you are correcting with someone sentenced to life?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:34 AM (zc3Db)
If prison isn't for correcting, why let anyone out? And if someone is sentenced to life, rather than death, why curtail what limited humanity they might possess during their sentence?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:32 AM (EzgxV)
Prison is not for correcting, it's for serving. And what could you possibly think you are correcting with someone sentenced to life?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:34 AM (zc3Db)
If prison isn't for correcting, why let anyone out? And if someone is sentenced to life, rather than death, why curtail what limited humanity they might possess during their sentence?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:43 AM (EzgxV)
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In other words, minor crimes should not carry a potential death sentence in addition to time served.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 02:39 AM (Xo1Rt)
Absolutely. I was only addressing crimes that were bad enough to warrant the criminal losing most, if not all, of his rights in prison.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 02:39 AM (Xo1Rt)
Absolutely. I was only addressing crimes that were bad enough to warrant the criminal losing most, if not all, of his rights in prison.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:43 AM (zc3Db)
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614 20 to 2 and with dad at the ER. His damn back got so bad he couldn't move himself, so att empted to help him to bathroom and...yeah.
FML.
Begging for prayers. My reserves are shot.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, turkey ain't all that's stuffed at April 23, 2016 02:38 AM (UugAp)
Oh, Brother Cavil -- prayers that this incident is isolated, and things rapidly return to "normal". And that you be granted strength to perservere.
FML.
Begging for prayers. My reserves are shot.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, turkey ain't all that's stuffed at April 23, 2016 02:38 AM (UugAp)
Oh, Brother Cavil -- prayers that this incident is isolated, and things rapidly return to "normal". And that you be granted strength to perservere.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:46 AM (EzgxV)
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If prison isn't for correcting, why let anyone out? And if someone is sentenced to life, rather than death, why curtail what limited humanity they might possess during their sentence?
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I hear that Charles Manson does some marvelous interpretive dance.
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I hear that Charles Manson does some marvelous interpretive dance.
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Posted by: Brother Cavil, turkey ain't all that's stuffed at April 23, 2016 02:38 AM (UugAp)
Chiropractors contrary to some, actually work in some cases.
They do tend to go over board in how much reward you can expect but in certain conditions they do improve mobility and less pain.
Your dad has to do some exercises. I'm finally coming to the conclusion that if I don't I'm going to wind up a creaking old man in pain. Just doing some flexing exercises improves my entire day. Problem is it's only good for a day and sometimes only for few hours. Especially the flexibility ones.
If he's like me and sits around a lot, that right there is one of the problems.
There are exercises he can do with zero pain. (some discomfort at first) He has to do them with moderation and be consistent and do them every day as a routine of getting up or going to bed or sitting around.
I found that just getting up our of the chair every 10-15 minutes improves/removes my stiffness.
Good luck. Don't expect an orthopedist to help much they're trained to treat by surgery or drugs. Get them to recommend some rehabilitation so he can get it from medicare.
Chiropractors contrary to some, actually work in some cases.
They do tend to go over board in how much reward you can expect but in certain conditions they do improve mobility and less pain.
Your dad has to do some exercises. I'm finally coming to the conclusion that if I don't I'm going to wind up a creaking old man in pain. Just doing some flexing exercises improves my entire day. Problem is it's only good for a day and sometimes only for few hours. Especially the flexibility ones.
If he's like me and sits around a lot, that right there is one of the problems.
There are exercises he can do with zero pain. (some discomfort at first) He has to do them with moderation and be consistent and do them every day as a routine of getting up or going to bed or sitting around.
I found that just getting up our of the chair every 10-15 minutes improves/removes my stiffness.
Good luck. Don't expect an orthopedist to help much they're trained to treat by surgery or drugs. Get them to recommend some rehabilitation so he can get it from medicare.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 02:47 AM (Xo1Rt)
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John Powell's soundtrack to "Paycheck" is also damned good.
Posted by: RKae at April 23, 2016 02:48 AM (miyrW)
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If prison isn't for correcting, why let anyone out?
Because the time served is the punishment for the crime. Period.
And if someone is sentenced to life, rather than death, why curtail what limited humanity they might possess during their sentence?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:43 AM (EzgxV)
Because they have obviously taken someone else's humanity, or proven themselves intolerable threats to society, in order to get to that point.
I have no sympathy for murderers. I have no sympathy for attempted murderers who were just unlucky or too stupid to carry out their wishes.
You know, it's kind of morbidly funny that most people have a pretty decent chance of an extremely painful and terror-filled death - either from an accident, a horrible disease or some criminal murdering them or just some random bad luck. But, the one class of person in our society that is almost guaranteed a painless and easy death is the murderer who has forced an awful death on someone else. That murderer is guaranteed a smooth and easy death - by law ... unlike those he forced to go through hell. There's something really twisted about that.
Because the time served is the punishment for the crime. Period.
And if someone is sentenced to life, rather than death, why curtail what limited humanity they might possess during their sentence?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:43 AM (EzgxV)
Because they have obviously taken someone else's humanity, or proven themselves intolerable threats to society, in order to get to that point.
I have no sympathy for murderers. I have no sympathy for attempted murderers who were just unlucky or too stupid to carry out their wishes.
You know, it's kind of morbidly funny that most people have a pretty decent chance of an extremely painful and terror-filled death - either from an accident, a horrible disease or some criminal murdering them or just some random bad luck. But, the one class of person in our society that is almost guaranteed a painless and easy death is the murderer who has forced an awful death on someone else. That murderer is guaranteed a smooth and easy death - by law ... unlike those he forced to go through hell. There's something really twisted about that.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:50 AM (zc3Db)
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620 If prison isn't for correcting, why let anyone out? And if someone is sentenced to life, rather than death, why curtail what limited humanity they might possess during their sentence?
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I hear that Charles Manson does some marvelous interpretive dance.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2016 02:46 AM (flUys)
If he should be put to death, put him to death. If he should be serving life in prison, he should have the same God-given rights to Life, free speech, religion, self-defence, etc. as any other man -- excepting only those rights abused in his crimes.
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I hear that Charles Manson does some marvelous interpretive dance.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2016 02:46 AM (flUys)
If he should be put to death, put him to death. If he should be serving life in prison, he should have the same God-given rights to Life, free speech, religion, self-defence, etc. as any other man -- excepting only those rights abused in his crimes.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:52 AM (EzgxV)
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The underlying principle is that having been a felon in the past doesn't correlate well with being a thoughtful, principled, moral voter today. I would posit that certain types of felon should certainly be barred from certain types of activities -- and, yes, multiple voting in ONE election should forever bar you from voting in ANY election thereafter -- as well as lobbying, serving in elected office, public assistance, or government jobs. Child molestation should forever bar you from being a priest or schoolteacher. Drug offences should bar you from being a pharmacist....
But fundamental rights, especially those as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:59 AM
So Hillary shouldn't be allowed to vote? I'm down w/ that.
But fundamental rights, especially those as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:59 AM
So Hillary shouldn't be allowed to vote? I'm down w/ that.
Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2016 02:54 AM (o/90i)
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Now for people who have committed murder or some heinous crime and have gotten multiple life sentences and/or death should be treated like the demons that they are.
Not the one timer impulse murderer but the total psychopath who doesn't even understand or care.
Which is why the death penalty is a efficient way of dealing with those who are beyond help.
The problems lie with those who are not psychopaths that get caught up into the system as one.
Bureaucracies tend to become inflexible and insensitive over time and as they increase in size.
Until such time as the true psychopath can be separated out from the impulse never do it again types then life is the only answer.
Plus there's prosecutorial misbehavior during trial.
Once someone's dead, there's nothing that can be done to correct a mistake or malicious prosecution.
Again, until we can be more accurate in guilt, we can't be killing people unless we're sure they're guilty.
Not the one timer impulse murderer but the total psychopath who doesn't even understand or care.
Which is why the death penalty is a efficient way of dealing with those who are beyond help.
The problems lie with those who are not psychopaths that get caught up into the system as one.
Bureaucracies tend to become inflexible and insensitive over time and as they increase in size.
Until such time as the true psychopath can be separated out from the impulse never do it again types then life is the only answer.
Plus there's prosecutorial misbehavior during trial.
Once someone's dead, there's nothing that can be done to correct a mistake or malicious prosecution.
Again, until we can be more accurate in guilt, we can't be killing people unless we're sure they're guilty.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 02:54 AM (Xo1Rt)
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excepting only those rights abused in his crimes.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:52 AM (EzgxV)
Conspiracy to commit murder (is what I guess he was sentenced for) took every single right away from Sharon Tate and the others, so what rights do you think Manson might have left for himself? There are none left.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:52 AM (EzgxV)
Conspiracy to commit murder (is what I guess he was sentenced for) took every single right away from Sharon Tate and the others, so what rights do you think Manson might have left for himself? There are none left.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:55 AM (zc3Db)
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625 The underlying principle is that having been a felon in the past doesn't correlate well with being a thoughtful, principled, moral voter today. I would posit that certain types of felon should certainly be barred from certain types of activities -- and, yes, multiple voting in ONE election should forever bar you from voting in ANY election thereafter -- as well as lobbying, serving in elected office, public assistance, or government jobs. Child molestation should forever bar you from being a priest or schoolteacher. Drug offences should bar you from being a pharmacist....
But fundamental rights, especially those as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:59 AM
So Hillary shouldn't be allowed to vote? I'm down w/ that.
Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2016 02:54 AM (o/90i)
Or, after cattle futures, trade on exchanges. I'm good on both.
But fundamental rights, especially those as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should not be curtailed arbitrarily for unrelated reasons.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 12:59 AM
So Hillary shouldn't be allowed to vote? I'm down w/ that.
Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2016 02:54 AM (o/90i)
Or, after cattle futures, trade on exchanges. I'm good on both.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:56 AM (EzgxV)
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Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2016 02:54 AM (o/90i)
Hillary should be dropped off by helo in the Syrian desert amongst some ISIS fighters.
Problem and punishment solved.
Hillary should be dropped off by helo in the Syrian desert amongst some ISIS fighters.
Problem and punishment solved.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 02:56 AM (Xo1Rt)
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Attended a funeral yesterday. While waiting for the service to begin, I was reading Luke from the Bible available in front of me. New revised standard, or something. I'm a KJV fan, but it was interesting. Footnotes saying, "some translations say..." or "some sources add (or leave out)..." - heh - the "infallible" scriptures... roughly speaking.
The minister invoked one of my favorite passages, from John.
Let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.
Amusingly simple and refreshingly reassuring if you trust ol' Jesus...
Good night, Gracies. Sleep well, if you sleep.
The minister invoked one of my favorite passages, from John.
Let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.
Amusingly simple and refreshingly reassuring if you trust ol' Jesus...
Good night, Gracies. Sleep well, if you sleep.
Posted by: mindful webworker climbing out of the pool at April 23, 2016 02:57 AM (sRczR)
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Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:55 AM (zc3Db)
Charlie's a good example of what I just said.
You do know that he didn't actually kill anyone?
Yes he was responsible in that he told others to do the crimes but to me, this is a slightly lesser crime than those who actually carried out his orders.
That entire sentence was topsy turvy in my view.
Not arguing that he didn't deserve punishment for his actions but they acted as if he was some sort of svengali who controlled those people. What a bunch of psycobabbly bullshit.
Charlie's a good example of what I just said.
You do know that he didn't actually kill anyone?
Yes he was responsible in that he told others to do the crimes but to me, this is a slightly lesser crime than those who actually carried out his orders.
That entire sentence was topsy turvy in my view.
Not arguing that he didn't deserve punishment for his actions but they acted as if he was some sort of svengali who controlled those people. What a bunch of psycobabbly bullshit.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 03:01 AM (Xo1Rt)
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627 excepting only those rights abused in his crimes.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:52 AM (EzgxV)
Conspiracy to commit murder (is what I guess he was sentenced for) took every single right away from Sharon Tate and the others, so what rights do you think Manson might have left for himself? There are none left.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:55 AM (zc3Db)
You should start with my having no problems with the death penalty, executed promptly -- you feed 'em kosher meals until you flood the chamber with cyanide. But if you're going to incarcerate people for decades [questionable], you should have to determine which of their God-given Rights should be infringed. And, IMHO, infringing rights not directly connected to the offence is arbitrary, capricious, and wrong.
627 excepting only those rights abused in his crimes.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 02:52 AM (EzgxV)
Conspiracy to commit murder (is what I guess he was sentenced for) took every single right away from Sharon Tate and the others, so what rights do you think Manson might have left for himself? There are none left.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 02:55 AM (zc3Db)
You should start with my having no problems with the death penalty, executed promptly -- you feed 'em kosher meals until you flood the chamber with cyanide. But if you're going to incarcerate people for decades [questionable], you should have to determine which of their God-given Rights should be infringed. And, IMHO, infringing rights not directly connected to the offence is arbitrary, capricious, and wrong.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 03:02 AM (EzgxV)
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Losing your rights while a prisoner is reasonable.
However the idea that having committed a crime and served the punishment still causes you to have lost your rights is wrong.
They can put time or test limits on the restoration, that's okay but the idea that your God given rights can be taken away for ever isn't in keeping with the constitution.
But neither is the mass restoration just done by McAulife.
Because we all know it was done for political reasons.
However the idea that having committed a crime and served the punishment still causes you to have lost your rights is wrong.
They can put time or test limits on the restoration, that's okay but the idea that your God given rights can be taken away for ever isn't in keeping with the constitution.
But neither is the mass restoration just done by McAulife.
Because we all know it was done for political reasons.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 03:05 AM (Xo1Rt)
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Charlie's a good example of what I just said.
You do know that he didn't actually kill anyone?
Yes, I know. That's why I assumed it was a conspiracy charge.
Yes he was responsible in that he told others to do the crimes but to me, this is a slightly lesser crime than those who actually carried out his orders.
That entire sentence was topsy turvy in my view.
Not arguing that he didn't deserve punishment for his actions but they acted as if he was some sort of svengali who controlled those people. What a bunch of psycobabbly bullshit.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 03:01 AM (Xo1Rt)
I am with you. somewhat, on this. He still deserved life. Hiring a hitman, say, doesn't make someone any less of a murderer.
There was certainly a fuzzy area with Manson (and people were just freaked out by him - justifiably so) but I have no problem with his life sentence. I would have preferred if he had just been put to death, myself ... though that was all way before my time.
You do know that he didn't actually kill anyone?
Yes, I know. That's why I assumed it was a conspiracy charge.
Yes he was responsible in that he told others to do the crimes but to me, this is a slightly lesser crime than those who actually carried out his orders.
That entire sentence was topsy turvy in my view.
Not arguing that he didn't deserve punishment for his actions but they acted as if he was some sort of svengali who controlled those people. What a bunch of psycobabbly bullshit.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 23, 2016 03:01 AM (Xo1Rt)
I am with you. somewhat, on this. He still deserved life. Hiring a hitman, say, doesn't make someone any less of a murderer.
There was certainly a fuzzy area with Manson (and people were just freaked out by him - justifiably so) but I have no problem with his life sentence. I would have preferred if he had just been put to death, myself ... though that was all way before my time.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 03:07 AM (zc3Db)
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You should start with my having no problems with the death penalty,
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executed promptly --
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you feed 'em kosher meals until you flood the chamber with cyanide.
Nope. They can not eat if they don't want but they don't get to dictate their meals. If some warden wants to allow them to choose a meal, then fine, but he doesn't have to offer them kosher or halal or whatever food. And a bullet would be my preferred method for a standard death sentence (though those who have tortured really deserve to have long, painful torturous deaths, themselves).
But if you're going to incarcerate people for decades [questionable], you should have to determine which of their God-given Rights should be infringed. And, IMHO, infringing rights not directly connected to the offence is arbitrary, capricious, and wrong.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 03:02 AM (EzgxV)
I understand what you're saying but I just disagree. If the rights that one loses for a certain crime are already spelled out in law then there is nothing arbitrary or capricious about it. People can argue about whether those lost rights are right or wrong for the specific crimes, but no one can argue that they are arbitrary or capricious.
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executed promptly --
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you feed 'em kosher meals until you flood the chamber with cyanide.
Nope. They can not eat if they don't want but they don't get to dictate their meals. If some warden wants to allow them to choose a meal, then fine, but he doesn't have to offer them kosher or halal or whatever food. And a bullet would be my preferred method for a standard death sentence (though those who have tortured really deserve to have long, painful torturous deaths, themselves).
But if you're going to incarcerate people for decades [questionable], you should have to determine which of their God-given Rights should be infringed. And, IMHO, infringing rights not directly connected to the offence is arbitrary, capricious, and wrong.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 03:02 AM (EzgxV)
I understand what you're saying but I just disagree. If the rights that one loses for a certain crime are already spelled out in law then there is nothing arbitrary or capricious about it. People can argue about whether those lost rights are right or wrong for the specific crimes, but no one can argue that they are arbitrary or capricious.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 03:15 AM (zc3Db)
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Goodnight for the moment horde, unless insomnia kicks in.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 01:26 AM
It has here. Hope you can drift off soon RWC. And the same for me, I've got to work tomorrow.
This should be a hoot, in the afternoon I'm interviewing/training some kid that can fill in for me when needed. He's hired by others but I can use him when needed.
My reservations...he has a piercing under his lip and a gauge in his ear. Doesn't tell me he's the brightest bulb in the box. Fortunately park district policy says he has to take that crap out when working.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 23, 2016 01:26 AM
It has here. Hope you can drift off soon RWC. And the same for me, I've got to work tomorrow.
This should be a hoot, in the afternoon I'm interviewing/training some kid that can fill in for me when needed. He's hired by others but I can use him when needed.
My reservations...he has a piercing under his lip and a gauge in his ear. Doesn't tell me he's the brightest bulb in the box. Fortunately park district policy says he has to take that crap out when working.
Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2016 03:18 AM (o/90i)
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Losing your rights while a prisoner is reasonable.
But voting is not a right. It's a duty for those who are responsible enough to govern society.
But voting is not a right. It's a duty for those who are responsible enough to govern society.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 23, 2016 03:27 AM (1D4Ef)
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Posted by: cthulhu at April 23, 2016 03:02 AM (EzgxV)
And I would just reiterate that the Constitution specifically allows for slavery (and all that it entails) as punishment for a crime.
And I would just reiterate that the Constitution specifically allows for slavery (and all that it entails) as punishment for a crime.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2016 03:27 AM (zc3Db)
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Posted by: Puntifex Maximus at April 23, 2016 01:38 AM
Welcome. Have you been lurking here for a while?
I don't recall seeing you here before tonight. You aren't the ghost of Prince are ya?
Welcome. Have you been lurking here for a while?
I don't recall seeing you here before tonight. You aren't the ghost of Prince are ya?
Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2016 03:28 AM (o/90i)
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I'm sick of filmmakers shilling for murders. Luckily, the jury sent Bernie Tiede back to prison for life.
I'm sick of filmmakers shilling for murders. Luckily, the jury sent Bernie Tiede back to prison for life.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 23, 2016 03:31 AM (iQIUe)
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I'd've joined in, if I'd had time. And wit. Fortunately, I don't.
Posted by: mindful webworker diving into the deep end of an empty pool
Smartest poster I've seen all night. Why am I still here?
Cause ya'll entertain me. I'd best be off to bed. Work beckons tomorrow, someone must support those on the dole.
Posted by: mindful webworker diving into the deep end of an empty pool
Smartest poster I've seen all night. Why am I still here?
Cause ya'll entertain me. I'd best be off to bed. Work beckons tomorrow, someone must support those on the dole.
Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2016 03:36 AM (o/90i)
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Advice about avoiding being manipulated from a pro. And she's not too bad to look at ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
Posted by: goon at April 23, 2016 04:52 AM (WCaSy)
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just the straight thumb-down quick push method. Which was the original one.
They had manlier thumbs back then.
They had manlier thumbs back then.
Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2016 04:58 AM (cXiMR)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Plain and Simple at April 23, 2016 05:15 AM (WVsWD)
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Patton Oswalt's wife died in her sleep. Everybody's life sucks these days.
May Her Family & Friends find Strength and Be Comforted. May She Rest in Peace.
May Her Family & Friends find Strength and Be Comforted. May She Rest in Peace.
Posted by: Adriane the Album Cover Critic ... at April 23, 2016 05:18 AM (AoK0a)
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Brother Cavil - May you and your Family be blessed with Health & Healing.
Posted by: Adriane the Album Cover Critic ... at April 23, 2016 05:22 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2016 05:42 AM (vBeA5)
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Slow slow morning.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Needs Moar Coffee. at April 23, 2016 05:51 AM (WVsWD)
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'Make the other poor bastard die for his country.'
Patton
'I'm just a patsy'.
Oswalt (or was that the rabbit?)
Patton
'I'm just a patsy'.
Oswalt (or was that the rabbit?)
Posted by: Eromero at April 23, 2016 05:51 AM (zLDYs)
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See I did make it to the end.
I like sleep, but baring that I really like coffee.
Good morning horde
I like sleep, but baring that I really like coffee.
Good morning horde
Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2016 05:54 AM (Dpy/y)
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A meteor shower....doesn't that sting yer nuts!!!
Posted by: saf at April 23, 2016 08:04 AM (+zN6H)
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I really was first and last
Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2016 10:16 AM (Dpy/y)
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last
Posted by: spoiler at April 23, 2016 10:46 AM (CRXed)
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Only counting till a new thread was started
Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2016 11:09 AM (Dpy/y)
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changing rules? :-)
Posted by: spoiler at April 23, 2016 11:36 AM (CRXed)
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