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Final Warning
MrScribbler has been banned. I long wanted to do it, and after claiming I said something I had not said, I decided life is too short for MrScribbler.
Last warning, to all the assholes: The fact that I oppose you politically does not invite you to personally insult me. If I insult Trump, that is NOT an insult of you personally which thus gives you the right to insult me personally. It's an insult of Trump. That goes for everyone else as well, of course. If someone knocks Trump, that doesn't invite you calling them a dirty whore. And you certainly have no right to fabricate bullshit and defame me. If you have any problem with these rules, I have one suggestion: Get the fuck out and don't fucking come back. Oh one more thing: For the people who only want to say "I'm angry." And note, I mean people who want to just drop short, axe-grinding, emotionally-venting comments, with no other content, as opposed to posting something that could possibly have some interest or value to anyone else in the world: Yeah we heard you the first sixty three billion times, idiots. How many times do you think we need to hear you emote like spoiled little girls at the rest of us? What the hell kind of illiterate gets on the internet to give the world a recap of his recent emotional travails? Why would you imagine anyone cares? The comments do not exist for your Emotional Pageantry. Post arguments and facts and even spin, but enough of using a public space as your EST primal screaming space. And as for the constant insults and immediately taking every discussion of a third party person or political issue as a personal slight: Some of you seem to think you actually are Donald Trump. If so, then follow his actual tactics: Declare bankruptcy and post illiterately unhinged tweets on Twitter. But not here.Comments
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Good Morning!
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 16, 2016 09:05 AM (NQmg1)
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You are up early, ace.
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 16, 2016 09:05 AM (NQmg1)
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Finally first!
Posted by: Carol Shelby at March 16, 2016 09:05 AM (NnS0Q)
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Yikes.
Posted by: HH at March 16, 2016 09:05 AM (DrCtv)
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Help! My mellow's been harshed, and I can't get up.!
Posted by: Bernie Sanders at March 16, 2016 09:07 AM (ml1PM)
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Fuck you for your fucked up timestamps, Ace.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 16, 2016 09:07 AM (LtQCz)
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Ugh.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 16, 2016 09:07 AM (iQIUe)
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I only have one comment for this thread:
Ace is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
Ace is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 16, 2016 09:07 AM (dQJCS)
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Ok but does this mean that people that like trump are not called bigoted idiotic racist xenophobic anti immigrant morons?
Posted by: Mr Pink at March 16, 2016 09:07 AM (vqof+)
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Morning Ace.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 16, 2016 09:08 AM (KUaJL)
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Yep. As a committed lurker, I find myself baffled by the folks who rant and rave at the site owner. If you think you can do it better, start your own blog. Or just stop reading this one, simple as that. I used to peruse certain websites and when they I thought they were full of shit, I just took 'em off the booklist and never went back. How difficult is that?
I think Ace has actually been pretty lenient. But your mileage may vary....
I think Ace has actually been pretty lenient. But your mileage may vary....
Posted by: Pave Low John at March 16, 2016 09:08 AM (b5yHT)
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After every banning, I can never figure out which asshole is gone. There are so many, I can't keep track of which flavor will be missing from the shit soup.
Posted by: Bivalve Curious at March 16, 2016 09:09 AM (S35jl)
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Quick poll: Which is more annoying...
(i) Cult of Trump
(ii) Cult of Obama
I can't decide. The retarded messianism of 2008 drove me up the wall, but the Cult of Trump is aggressively stupid.
(i) Cult of Trump
(ii) Cult of Obama
I can't decide. The retarded messianism of 2008 drove me up the wall, but the Cult of Trump is aggressively stupid.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 16, 2016 09:09 AM (mVjMU)
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I'm voting Trump because #neverhillary. And I'm voting Trump for same reason you wrote this. No clue why others cannot coexist
Posted by: ajlfour at March 16, 2016 09:09 AM (u7TnL)
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come to my blog, i have calendars with pretty pictures!
Posted by: Chlares Jhonson at March 16, 2016 09:10 AM (RKQ/v)
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Ok, what the hell happened? I need some coffee.
Posted by: dantesed at March 16, 2016 09:10 AM (88xKn)
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>>>Ok but does this mean that people that like trump are not called bigoted idiotic racist xenophobic anti immigrant morons?
no one calls you that here, get over your Victimization Envy.
no one calls you that here, get over your Victimization Envy.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:10 AM (dciA+)
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From now on its Mr. Ace to all you 'rons and 'ettes.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 16, 2016 09:10 AM (r65B3)
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The Cult of Washington is our problem. Both sides are playing the same game. No one is on anyone's side but their own. And, oh yeah, they are all poopie heads too!
Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 16, 2016 09:10 AM (zllbf)
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If you didn't know it, Kasick has been mathematically eliminated from winning the nomination.
There's only 1079 delegates left. Kasich has only 142.
Even if he won every single state (including NY and CA) from here on out, he CAN NOT get to 1237.
Even winning every single one of the delegates from the proportional states and he STILL cannot get to 1237.
Even if both Trump and Cruz dropped out, he STILL CAN NOT get the delegates he needs.
Anybody who gets on TV or otherwise and talks about how that turd can still win is lying.
There's only 1079 delegates left. Kasich has only 142.
Even if he won every single state (including NY and CA) from here on out, he CAN NOT get to 1237.
Even winning every single one of the delegates from the proportional states and he STILL cannot get to 1237.
Even if both Trump and Cruz dropped out, he STILL CAN NOT get the delegates he needs.
Anybody who gets on TV or otherwise and talks about how that turd can still win is lying.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 16, 2016 09:11 AM (fQ/0p)
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I'm not voting for Trump. I'm voting against Hillary.
Posted by: DanInMN at March 16, 2016 09:11 AM (h5ffp)
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Cult of Obama was definitely worse of the two.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 09:12 AM (VdICR)
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Well at this point I need Cruz to stay in this thing through WI at least.
Crucial State Supreme Court election here and we need as many Republicans voting as possible.
That is of course assuming that those voting for Trump in the primary will also be voting for Bradley.
That should be a nice litmus test about how conservative/Republican/etc Trumps support really is on that side of the aisle here in WI.
Crucial State Supreme Court election here and we need as many Republicans voting as possible.
That is of course assuming that those voting for Trump in the primary will also be voting for Bradley.
That should be a nice litmus test about how conservative/Republican/etc Trumps support really is on that side of the aisle here in WI.
Posted by: H Badger at March 16, 2016 09:13 AM (n/0Nw)
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I usually only comment on the Book Thread and, now, the pet thread because I don't have time to do more. But this provokes me to share my most favorite thought: the entire damn country is in dire need of a course of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and maybe a short lesson on private property.
CBT will teach you that you cannot ever control what another person thinks, or does, or says, and so you should not take it personally. If I say D Trump is a total douche, it has nothing to do with anyone but me because I'm the one who said it and you can't control that.
And obviously, ace.mu.nu is Ace's private property and it is therefore incumbent on us to be polite to the proprietor who so kindly invites us here.
These things seem so obvious to me that I don't get why others can't figure it out.
RULE 1: Don't take anything personally.
RULE 2: Respect private property.
Duh.
CBT will teach you that you cannot ever control what another person thinks, or does, or says, and so you should not take it personally. If I say D Trump is a total douche, it has nothing to do with anyone but me because I'm the one who said it and you can't control that.
And obviously, ace.mu.nu is Ace's private property and it is therefore incumbent on us to be polite to the proprietor who so kindly invites us here.
These things seem so obvious to me that I don't get why others can't figure it out.
RULE 1: Don't take anything personally.
RULE 2: Respect private property.
Duh.
Posted by: Tonestaple at March 16, 2016 09:13 AM (ctOlR)
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America may just deserve a President that is behind bars????
Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 16, 2016 09:13 AM (zllbf)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 16, 2016 09:13 AM (KUaJL)
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People insult me? No freaking way. Doesn't happen. Because I've got a big schlong or something.
Posted by: The Donald at March 16, 2016 09:13 AM (igzPG)
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Welp...
Posted by: TexasJew at March 16, 2016 09:14 AM (N7G17)
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>Some of you seem to think you actually are Donald Trump. If so, then follow his actual tactics: Declare bankruptcy and post illiterately unhinged tweets on Twitter.<
Awesome
Awesome
Posted by: Valiant at March 16, 2016 09:14 AM (2bqlb)
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I will lend my support between now and November in any way for Mr Ace. Don't mind me standing here!
Posted by: Chris Christie at March 16, 2016 09:14 AM (KUegI)
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Learn to Love The Cankles.
Posted by: TexasJew at March 16, 2016 09:15 AM (N7G17)
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21 I'm not voting for Trump. I'm voting against Hillary.
That does seem to be the situation.
Acceptance will come to different folks at different times. I'm about there.
A year ago I hoped I'd be choosing between Perry and Walker. sigh.
That does seem to be the situation.
Acceptance will come to different folks at different times. I'm about there.
A year ago I hoped I'd be choosing between Perry and Walker. sigh.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 16, 2016 09:15 AM (HMt16)
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What the hell kind of illiterate gets on the internet to give the world a recap of his recent emotional travails?
Um. . .everyone on Facebook?
What the hell kind of illiterate gets on the internet to give the world a recap of his recent emotional travails?
Um. . .everyone on Facebook?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 16, 2016 09:15 AM (X6fMO)
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I don't care if you vote for Trump or not. We're losing either way.
I had to stop reading the establishment sites today because I got sick of their bullshit, too. I don't want to hear them whine more.
But I've fucking had it to my back-teeth with the Trump Brigade's self-purported "Authenticity Privilege" and their insane idea that they're the "Real Americans" and therefore get to bully and insult everyone else.
Stop.
Acting.
Like.
Fucking.
Thugs.
I had to stop reading the establishment sites today because I got sick of their bullshit, too. I don't want to hear them whine more.
But I've fucking had it to my back-teeth with the Trump Brigade's self-purported "Authenticity Privilege" and their insane idea that they're the "Real Americans" and therefore get to bully and insult everyone else.
Stop.
Acting.
Like.
Fucking.
Thugs.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:16 AM (dciA+)
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When Chris Christie stands around Donald Trump, he stands AROUND Donald Trump,,,
Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 16, 2016 09:16 AM (zllbf)
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What did Mr Scribbler actually say? I must have missed much of this?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:16 AM (DUoqb)
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Somebody tell Kasich that Jeb! and Paul Ryan are in front of him in the GOPe suicide mission to deny the delegate leader the nomination.
Posted by: Valiant at March 16, 2016 09:16 AM (2bqlb)
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If you didn't know it, [Kucinich] has been mathematically eliminated from winning the nomination.
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I don't think it's about his ability to win at this point. He's convinced that he's the only moral candidate, the only non-extremist, the only True Republican, and that he therefore is entitled to the nomination at a brokered convention. He's hoping to be the guy the establishment turns to instead of Romney or Ryan or whomever.
My prediction if Trump gets the nomination: GOPe puts together a fusion ticket of Jim Webb and Kascich.
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I don't think it's about his ability to win at this point. He's convinced that he's the only moral candidate, the only non-extremist, the only True Republican, and that he therefore is entitled to the nomination at a brokered convention. He's hoping to be the guy the establishment turns to instead of Romney or Ryan or whomever.
My prediction if Trump gets the nomination: GOPe puts together a fusion ticket of Jim Webb and Kascich.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 16, 2016 09:16 AM (NDVSb)
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Sock off. This was needed. Either way the lead up to the convention and the general are going to put people on edge, both the "bigoted idiotic racist xenophobic anti immigrant morons" and non-Trump fans.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 09:16 AM (KUegI)
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Anybody who gets on TV or otherwise and talks about how that turd can still win is lying.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 16, 2016 09:11 AM (fQ/0p)
That's how it's been for a while. But I prefer mathematical certitude when I call BS. He pisses me off more than Jeb or Rubio, but I don't know why. The man is creepy, and any butt-kissing seems insulting to the readership.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 16, 2016 09:11 AM (fQ/0p)
That's how it's been for a while. But I prefer mathematical certitude when I call BS. He pisses me off more than Jeb or Rubio, but I don't know why. The man is creepy, and any butt-kissing seems insulting to the readership.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 09:17 AM (VdICR)
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Can I still call random people great Americans?
Posted by: Sean Hannity at March 16, 2016 09:17 AM (u0s1P)
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I don't care if you vote for Trump or not. We're losing either way.
???
NO sure what you mean by that?
???
NO sure what you mean by that?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:17 AM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at March 16, 2016 09:17 AM (RKQ/v)
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I will lend my support between now and November in any way for Mr Ace. Don't mind me standing here!
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Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 09:17 AM (9krrF)
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Hey, I got no bitch, I'm a Cruz supporter like Ace, plus I would never say anything bad about the guy who pays the bills, and I don't post enough for anyone to give two craps what I think.
Posted by: Jaimo at March 16, 2016 09:17 AM (9U1OG)
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Belated morning to y'all (who dare to enter here).
Ace starting the day off with a bang, I see.
And by bang, I mean like what I just heard at the neighbors: a bunch of dogs barking frantically followed by a couple gunshots, then silence. (No, I don't think the target was the dogs.)
MrScribbler has been banned... after claiming I said something I had not said...
MrScribbler was... well, never mind my opinion. But when I see these things, I always wonder what it was that was said which I missed, 'cause I always miss 'em. But I don't wonder enough to ask.
Ace starting the day off with a bang, I see.
And by bang, I mean like what I just heard at the neighbors: a bunch of dogs barking frantically followed by a couple gunshots, then silence. (No, I don't think the target was the dogs.)
MrScribbler has been banned... after claiming I said something I had not said...
MrScribbler was... well, never mind my opinion. But when I see these things, I always wonder what it was that was said which I missed, 'cause I always miss 'em. But I don't wonder enough to ask.
Posted by: mindful webworker - out like a light at March 16, 2016 09:17 AM (sVGvG)
Posted by: H Badger at March 16, 2016 09:17 AM (n/0Nw)
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"i banned a guy and now i'm writing a post about it"
Posted by: Otherkinz at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (fMhOl)
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>>> I usually only comment on the Book Thread and, now, the pet thread because I don't have time to do more. But this provokes me to share my most favorite thought: the entire damn country is in dire need of a course of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and maybe a short lesson on private property.
CBT will teach you that you cannot ever control what another person thinks, or does, or says, and so you should not take it personally. If I say D Trump is a total douche, it has nothing to do with anyone but me because I'm the one who said it and you can't control that.
...
I would add: If engaging in social media causes you to act in unacceptably anti-social ways, then maybe you need to get off social media.
Maybe you need to tend gardens closer to home, instead of engaging in fantasy bloodsport politics in a comments area.
CBT will teach you that you cannot ever control what another person thinks, or does, or says, and so you should not take it personally. If I say D Trump is a total douche, it has nothing to do with anyone but me because I'm the one who said it and you can't control that.
...
I would add: If engaging in social media causes you to act in unacceptably anti-social ways, then maybe you need to get off social media.
Maybe you need to tend gardens closer to home, instead of engaging in fantasy bloodsport politics in a comments area.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (dciA+)
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Thank you, Ace!
Posted by: Sassy at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (q7eWh)
Posted by: budfox at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (eUJB/)
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Attacking Ace in his own House is like when I was growing up attacking my Dad, the Colonel, in our house...not a smart move.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (DUoqb)
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"Acceptance will come to different folks at different times."
Yes, I'm sure that any day now I'll come to my senses and settle for Romney in the 2012 election.
Nope. Not happening. Not voting for Trump. If it's Trump and Hillary on the ballot, I'm writing in Thomas Sowell.
Yes, I'm sure that any day now I'll come to my senses and settle for Romney in the 2012 election.
Nope. Not happening. Not voting for Trump. If it's Trump and Hillary on the ballot, I'm writing in Thomas Sowell.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (CcpUn)
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Primary season: There will be blood
Posted by: brak at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (MJuTN)
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>>>I don't care if you vote for Trump or not. We're losing either way.
trump will get blown out in an election, and a third party will cause a devastating rupture.
the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
trump will get blown out in an election, and a third party will cause a devastating rupture.
the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (dciA+)
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I live in Maryland, meaning a non-vote for president doesn't have an effect either way. But, I'd still want to see him beat for this reason alone, the Supreme Court vacancies.
I'm also having regrets for our opposition to Rubio early on (oh Marco, why or why couldn't you just promise to secure the border in 1st term, than do immigration reform in 2nd. Methinks many upset conservatives could have forgiven you if that was your plan going forward). *sigh*
I'm also having regrets for our opposition to Rubio early on (oh Marco, why or why couldn't you just promise to secure the border in 1st term, than do immigration reform in 2nd. Methinks many upset conservatives could have forgiven you if that was your plan going forward). *sigh*
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: H Badger at March 16, 2016 09:20 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: Katy Perry at March 16, 2016 09:20 AM (LHrrs)
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I would add: If engaging in social media causes you to act in unacceptably anti-social ways, then maybe you need to get off social media.
Maybe you need to tend gardens closer to home, instead of engaging in fantasy bloodsport politics in a comments area.
Too right, ace. I've advised it and practiced it myself of late. This election season is fusing with the usual Internet personality distortions to bring out the absolute worst in a lot of people I've seen be very good and decent otherwise.
If you can't keep it business--if it's getting personal--walk away. It's the best thing for it in the end.
Maybe you need to tend gardens closer to home, instead of engaging in fantasy bloodsport politics in a comments area.
Too right, ace. I've advised it and practiced it myself of late. This election season is fusing with the usual Internet personality distortions to bring out the absolute worst in a lot of people I've seen be very good and decent otherwise.
If you can't keep it business--if it's getting personal--walk away. It's the best thing for it in the end.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 09:20 AM (9krrF)
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Primary season: There will be blood
Posted by: brak at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (MJuTN)
These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood.
Posted by: brak at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (MJuTN)
These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:21 AM (DUoqb)
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But I'm an amiable asshole!
Posted by: wisenheimer back to lurking at March 16, 2016 09:21 AM (qnhj2)
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"i banned a guy and now i'm writing a post about it"
"I banned a guy and I liked it"
Ace banned a guy in Vegas. Just to not watch him post.
"I banned a guy and I liked it"
Ace banned a guy in Vegas. Just to not watch him post.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 09:21 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:21 AM (dciA+)
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These things come in threes. Signs of the apocalypse:
1. Trump as nominee
2. Another Indiana Jones movie
3. ???
1. Trump as nominee
2. Another Indiana Jones movie
3. ???
Posted by: brak at March 16, 2016 09:22 AM (MJuTN)
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34 Stop.
Acting.
Like.
Fucking.
Thugs.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:16 AM (dciA+)
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Thugs? Racism!
\sarc
(Please don't ban me...I love this place too much)
Acting.
Like.
Fucking.
Thugs.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:16 AM (dciA+)
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Thugs? Racism!
\sarc
(Please don't ban me...I love this place too much)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:22 AM (rJSDb)
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I think Ben Shapiro has pointed out that Trump is identifying himself as America/Americans. Awfully dangerous, because we can see it in action. Equating insult to him as insult to America is going to get people killed eventually.
Posted by: Bushi at March 16, 2016 09:22 AM (Tysro)
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I'm angry!
Okay, that didn't feel so cathartic. Not at all. *sigh* Oh, well. Hey, I'm a Cruzer, and I loathe DT. I'm also not happy that the Dems have only two choices: A Commie or a Pathological Liar. Yikes!
I'm just saying I'm gonna vote for Cruz in the general - by write-in, if I must - and hope for the best.
Okay, that didn't feel so cathartic. Not at all. *sigh* Oh, well. Hey, I'm a Cruzer, and I loathe DT. I'm also not happy that the Dems have only two choices: A Commie or a Pathological Liar. Yikes!
I'm just saying I'm gonna vote for Cruz in the general - by write-in, if I must - and hope for the best.Posted by: benning at March 16, 2016 09:22 AM (pttHf)
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there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (dciA+)
Is this the DOOM thread?
o_0
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (dciA+)
Is this the DOOM thread?
o_0
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 16, 2016 09:22 AM (NQmg1)
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Rubio should have come out an said I'm gonna hire Trump to secure the border (and decorate it).
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2016 09:22 AM (f+zRv)
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>>>
Too right, ace. I've advised it and practiced it myself of late. This election season is fusing with the usual Internet personality distortions to bring out the absolute worst in a lot of people I've seen be very good and decent otherwise.
If you can't keep it business--if it's getting personal--walk away. It's the best thing for it in the end.
...
i quit twitter to get away from the assholes, I'm not allowing them on my own stoop.
Too right, ace. I've advised it and practiced it myself of late. This election season is fusing with the usual Internet personality distortions to bring out the absolute worst in a lot of people I've seen be very good and decent otherwise.
If you can't keep it business--if it's getting personal--walk away. It's the best thing for it in the end.
...
i quit twitter to get away from the assholes, I'm not allowing them on my own stoop.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:22 AM (dciA+)
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48 "i banned a guy and now i'm writing a post about it"
Posted by: Otherkinz at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (fMhOl)
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He's also reiterating policy. So...there's that.
Posted by: Otherkinz at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (fMhOl)
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He's also reiterating policy. So...there's that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:23 AM (rJSDb)
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trump will get blown out in an election, and a third party will cause a devastating rupture.
the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (dciA+)
Yeah I am not so sure that is true. Yes if there is a third party, it is true. But if it is Trump against hillary, I would not be so quick to vote against Trump and that does not even take into account what the FBI might do ( I assume the Justice Department will refuse to indict )
the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (dciA+)
Yeah I am not so sure that is true. Yes if there is a third party, it is true. But if it is Trump against hillary, I would not be so quick to vote against Trump and that does not even take into account what the FBI might do ( I assume the Justice Department will refuse to indict )
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:23 AM (DUoqb)
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Hooray for you Ace. It was crap like that that had made the last blog I often visited unbearable.
At least I won't have to skip the Rafael comments now.
At least I won't have to skip the Rafael comments now.
Posted by: jazzuscounty at March 16, 2016 09:23 AM (FnpRr)
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Hooray for you Ace. It was crap like that that had made the last blog I often visited unbearable.
At least I won't have to skip the Rafael comments now.
At least I won't have to skip the Rafael comments now.
Posted by: jazzuscounty at March 16, 2016 09:23 AM (FnpRr)
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42 ???
NO sure what you mean by that?
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Defeat is almost a certainty.
If Trump wins, something like 30% of the non Trump vote stays home, which probably explains why he's an average of 8 points down in the general (worse than McCain/Romney). He's not going to mount a Reagan comeback, because Reagan couldn't mount a Reagan comeback without A) a third party spoiler B) the ability to defend conservatism while using his words and C) 30% of his base staying home.
If somebody other than Trump wins, a large portion of the Trump folk (looked like 20% in polls) stay home, and the Dems voting in our primary sullenly trudge back over to Hillary. We lose again.
NO sure what you mean by that?
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Defeat is almost a certainty.
If Trump wins, something like 30% of the non Trump vote stays home, which probably explains why he's an average of 8 points down in the general (worse than McCain/Romney). He's not going to mount a Reagan comeback, because Reagan couldn't mount a Reagan comeback without A) a third party spoiler B) the ability to defend conservatism while using his words and C) 30% of his base staying home.
If somebody other than Trump wins, a large portion of the Trump folk (looked like 20% in polls) stay home, and the Dems voting in our primary sullenly trudge back over to Hillary. We lose again.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 09:23 AM (KUegI)
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Well let's not get too far ahead of ourselves and pretend that there was any real room left to oppose the Donks anyway.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 16, 2016 09:23 AM (Wckf4)
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Pretty hard to be optimistic this morning, but I am hanging in there. Most of the rest of the voting is in closed primaries. I read somewhere that Cruz is actually leading in a California poll. If he can get over 50% in Utah for example, he can get all the delegates. In a contested convention, I would think Rubio's delegates would go to Cruz and hopefully the Donald will keep insulting Kasich and his would too.
Maybe all is wishful thinking, but I keep hoping it is like one of those dark movies where the evil villain is triumphant and you think all is lost and then the hero comes through at the very end and all is well with the world.
Maybe all is wishful thinking, but I keep hoping it is like one of those dark movies where the evil villain is triumphant and you think all is lost and then the hero comes through at the very end and all is well with the world.
Posted by: sharon at March 16, 2016 09:23 AM (QzF6i)
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I have Dennis Miller on Facebook. I assume he's on Twitter too. His jokes are so difficult, if he ever goes senile no one will notice.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 09:24 AM (VdICR)
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i quit twitter to get away from the assholes, I'm not allowing them on my own stoop.
And you are right to not allow them. I'm just trying to remind others to examine their own situations.
And you are right to not allow them. I'm just trying to remind others to examine their own situations.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 09:24 AM (9krrF)
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So who is Merrick Garland and any thoughts on how quickly the Republicans will rush to support his nomination?
Posted by: Diogenes at March 16, 2016 09:24 AM (r65B3)
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I don't think I've ever gotten personal. I try to win people over (not necessarily the people I'm arguing with, but those watching the conversation).
I'm not always successful, but I know that I'll win over fewer people by trying turning to insults than by my (meager) attempts at logic and reason.
I'm not always successful, but I know that I'll win over fewer people by trying turning to insults than by my (meager) attempts at logic and reason.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:24 AM (rJSDb)
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13 Quick poll: Which is more annoying...
(i) Cult of Trump
(ii) Cult of Obama
I can't decide. The retarded messianism of 2008 drove me up the wall, but the Cult of Trump is aggressively stupid.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 16, 2016 09:09 AM (mVjMU)
To be fair, there's also some derangement in the Cult of #NeverTrump.
I don't think Ace or present company are among that camp, but I can't help but feel it's a thin line to walk between to opposing masses of very upset people. The presence of Trump acolytes doesn't render invisible the anti-Trumpers who take it far beyond the practical.
Cruz 16, except Kasich now, dammit.
(i) Cult of Trump
(ii) Cult of Obama
I can't decide. The retarded messianism of 2008 drove me up the wall, but the Cult of Trump is aggressively stupid.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 16, 2016 09:09 AM (mVjMU)
To be fair, there's also some derangement in the Cult of #NeverTrump.
I don't think Ace or present company are among that camp, but I can't help but feel it's a thin line to walk between to opposing masses of very upset people. The presence of Trump acolytes doesn't render invisible the anti-Trumpers who take it far beyond the practical.
Cruz 16, except Kasich now, dammit.
Posted by: 0302 at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (wx6iv)
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We're gonna need a bigger barrel....
Posted by: cajun caret at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (QfUjv)
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I've been purposely avoiding a lot of the political stuff lately. No need to shit in our beds here.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (voOPb)
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Some of you seem to think you actually are Donald Trump. If so, then follow his actual tactics: Declare bankruptcy and post illiterately unhinged tweets on Twitter.
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We are going to have to say no to that comrades.
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We are going to have to say no to that comrades.
Posted by: Twitter Ministry of Truth at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (X7E8f)
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>>>Well let's not get too far ahead of ourselves and pretend that there was any real room left to oppose the Donks anyway.
it was probably a winnable election, though it would have been tough. the fact is, the idea that we should stop bringing in 1.5 million new Democrats per year probably should have been discussed 30 million new Democrats ago.
it was probably a winnable election, though it would have been tough. the fact is, the idea that we should stop bringing in 1.5 million new Democrats per year probably should have been discussed 30 million new Democrats ago.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (dciA+)
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This is why I don't post much, just lurk. Once I made what I thought was a inside joke about an early Ace post about something from hot gas and, well ... It wasn't taken in the spirit it was intended.
Since I have no intention of wearing out my welcome ...
Since I have no intention of wearing out my welcome ...
Posted by: Bayou City's iPad at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (mesZS)
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I love you so much Ace, will you have my babies.
Posted by: xpo172 at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (1PDwB)
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I think Sanders goes third party. His followers are every bit as cult-like as the Trump contingent, maybe more so. That wouldn't be great news for Granny Cacklepants.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (CcpUn)
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I think Trump could beat Hillary. Stupid people are now a majority in our country, and Kim Kardashian would probably be able to get close to 10% of the vote.
It's sad that the country has to depend upon its stupidity.
It's sad that the country has to depend upon its stupidity.
Posted by: Roy at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (VndSC)
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I can't decide. The retarded messianism of 2008 drove me up the wall, but the Cult of Trump is aggressively stupid.
I'm not in any type of cult mentality. I'd been a Cruzer right up until he blamed Trump for the MoveOn protester's actions.
My vote for The Donald is a big ol' middle finger to the entrenched DC Leftarded Cabal. He's my personal President Herbert Mountain Dew Camacho.
Trump isn't the enemy: TFP, the radical far-left and the establishment Repumpkins who refuse to stand up for me are. I have no idea how he'll fare as president, but I know he can't possibly be any worse than Teh Hildabeast or any other desiccated Dim they can prop up.
My bemusement is palpable. I'm all out of schitz and fux anymore.
I can't decide. The retarded messianism of 2008 drove me up the wall, but the Cult of Trump is aggressively stupid.
I'm not in any type of cult mentality. I'd been a Cruzer right up until he blamed Trump for the MoveOn protester's actions.
My vote for The Donald is a big ol' middle finger to the entrenched DC Leftarded Cabal. He's my personal President Herbert Mountain Dew Camacho.
Trump isn't the enemy: TFP, the radical far-left and the establishment Repumpkins who refuse to stand up for me are. I have no idea how he'll fare as president, but I know he can't possibly be any worse than Teh Hildabeast or any other desiccated Dim they can prop up.
My bemusement is palpable. I'm all out of schitz and fux anymore.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (LUgeY)
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Even if both Trump and Cruz dropped out, he STILL CAN NOT get the delegates he needs.
Anybody who gets on TV or otherwise and talks about how that turd can still win is lying.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 16, 2016 09:11 AM (fQ/0p)
Maybe that should be a rule. Once you are mathematically eliminated and you are not in second place, you are gone.
Anybody who gets on TV or otherwise and talks about how that turd can still win is lying.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 16, 2016 09:11 AM (fQ/0p)
Maybe that should be a rule. Once you are mathematically eliminated and you are not in second place, you are gone.
Posted by: WOPR at March 16, 2016 09:26 AM (LTDSy)
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here, here! I will support the eventual nominee. My primary is over. The idea is to geld the hildebeast.
Posted by: Dave at March 16, 2016 09:26 AM (kH/If)
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71 48 "i banned a guy and now i'm writing a post about it"
Posted by: Otherkinz at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (fMhOl)
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He's also reiterating policy. So...there's that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:23 AM (rJSDb)
You can only be warned so many times. Once in awhile has to repost his rules, his house.
Posted by: Otherkinz at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (fMhOl)
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He's also reiterating policy. So...there's that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:23 AM (rJSDb)
You can only be warned so many times. Once in awhile has to repost his rules, his house.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 16, 2016 09:26 AM (voOPb)
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Maybe that should be a rule. Once you are mathematically eliminated and you are not in second place, you are gone.
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Participation trophy?
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Participation trophy?
Posted by: Roy at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (VndSC)
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>>>To be fair, there's also some derangement in the Cult of #NeverTrump.
there is and there are people who get personal about it.
But there are a LOT of people in Trump's camp who think a personal insult IS actually a political argument.
Hm, wonder where they get that idea from, or if maybe that plays into their candidate selection process.
Not all, of course. Not even most. But a LOT of Trump's supporters just have this mode that "I win if I insult someone."
there is and there are people who get personal about it.
But there are a LOT of people in Trump's camp who think a personal insult IS actually a political argument.
Hm, wonder where they get that idea from, or if maybe that plays into their candidate selection process.
Not all, of course. Not even most. But a LOT of Trump's supporters just have this mode that "I win if I insult someone."
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (dciA+)
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I'm holding on to hope that Cruz will get enough or that we can somehow pull through for a brokered convention. If it comes down to trump vs Hillary in the general, I'm staying home.
Posted by: Sassy at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (q7eWh)
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The no-attacking-other-posters-personally rule is pretty straightforward, so it's pretty easy to avoid. You're not going to break the rule by accident.
If anything, I think Ace has been remarkably reticent to ban.
If anything, I think Ace has been remarkably reticent to ban.
Posted by: Chris not Rock at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (WO0/g)
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the idea that we should stop bringing in 1.5 million
new Democrats per year probably should have been discussed 30 million
new Democrats ago.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (dciA+)
Succinct.
May I steal that?
new Democrats per year probably should have been discussed 30 million
new Democrats ago.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (dciA+)
Succinct.
May I steal that?
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (NQmg1)
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"Once you are mathematically eliminated and you are not in second place, you are gone."
No one is "mathematically eliminated" until someone receives a majority of delegate votes at the convention. Not even people who didn't run in the primary at all.
No one is "mathematically eliminated" until someone receives a majority of delegate votes at the convention. Not even people who didn't run in the primary at all.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 16, 2016 09:28 AM (CcpUn)
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>>>Even if both Trump and Cruz dropped out, he STILL CAN NOT get the delegates he needs.
Anybody who gets on TV or otherwise and talks about how that turd can still win is lying.
Posted by: RoyalOil at
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i don't think he's pretending otherwise. he's admitting he's playing for a contested convention, where we give the prize to the third place finisher, for some reason.
Anybody who gets on TV or otherwise and talks about how that turd can still win is lying.
Posted by: RoyalOil at
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i don't think he's pretending otherwise. he's admitting he's playing for a contested convention, where we give the prize to the third place finisher, for some reason.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:28 AM (dciA+)
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I read your blog for its diverse commentary and agree with some of it. But you're off the rails on Trump. This year, it's a revolt of the fly-over folks who are tired of 7 years of Obama trashing America and the lack of Republican push-back (or rather the incessant enabling of Obama by the Republican "leadership" in Congress). It's a simple as that. Trump is way more than "bankruptcy and Twitter." Do some diligence on him, as opposed to stooping to cliches. But I guess you're so far gone that you'll consider voting for Shrillary over Trump in the general election? How about a nice long article explaining that sell-out on that score? I'd vote for Trump in a heart-beat over Shrillary - as would anyone with a brain.
Posted by: Stu at March 16, 2016 09:28 AM (I+uDZ)
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OT - Here is the real insult of the day:
Boehner is endorsing Paul Ryan to be the GOP nominee if neither Trump or Cruz get the required number of delegates.
I will tell all Cruz supporters this again. If your guy does not win it outright, Cruz will not be the nominee in a brokered convention. Even if he is a few delegates short he will not get it.
In a bizarre way they are probably more scared of Trump (compared to a Cruz 3rd party challenge) because of his media showmanship to hurt the GOP as a 3rd party candidate, but I doubt they care about that either. The GOPe can live with a President Hillary, not President Trump (or Cruz). Like Cruz, I doubt Trump gets the nomination if he falls just a few delegates short.
If that happens the message will be - You will get Paul Ryan, and you will like Paul Ryan. Kasich will probably be the VP considering he is only in this now to mess up Cruz and they hope Cruz will mess up Trump. And...thus we get Paul Ryan.
Now what will Cruz do in that situation? Will he reach out to Trump, or will submit to the "godlike" will of the GOPe? Will a new political party be formed? BTW: Paul Ryan means amnesty...no real border control, and lots of Muslim migrants. A true globalist reduction of American sovereignty.
So will we ban the GOP, or will we continue to play the role of the battered wife? Begging not to be hit in the face anymore...and just shut up and cook.
Boehner is endorsing Paul Ryan to be the GOP nominee if neither Trump or Cruz get the required number of delegates.
I will tell all Cruz supporters this again. If your guy does not win it outright, Cruz will not be the nominee in a brokered convention. Even if he is a few delegates short he will not get it.
In a bizarre way they are probably more scared of Trump (compared to a Cruz 3rd party challenge) because of his media showmanship to hurt the GOP as a 3rd party candidate, but I doubt they care about that either. The GOPe can live with a President Hillary, not President Trump (or Cruz). Like Cruz, I doubt Trump gets the nomination if he falls just a few delegates short.
If that happens the message will be - You will get Paul Ryan, and you will like Paul Ryan. Kasich will probably be the VP considering he is only in this now to mess up Cruz and they hope Cruz will mess up Trump. And...thus we get Paul Ryan.
Now what will Cruz do in that situation? Will he reach out to Trump, or will submit to the "godlike" will of the GOPe? Will a new political party be formed? BTW: Paul Ryan means amnesty...no real border control, and lots of Muslim migrants. A true globalist reduction of American sovereignty.
So will we ban the GOP, or will we continue to play the role of the battered wife? Begging not to be hit in the face anymore...and just shut up and cook.
Posted by: William Eaton at March 16, 2016 09:28 AM (q52Ma)
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I like Trump and I like Cruz. trump took out Rubio and job, etc. Cruz couldn't have done that. iTs down to Cruz and Trump so I'm pretty pleased. i felt the only way you'd get a Prs Cruz is if he was VP Cruz first so TRUMP/CRUZ 2016. if there was no Trump, and Cruz was leading, GOPe would be seeking brokered convention to get him out. i want to see Trump win it by Delegate count because if it go s to the convention, it won't be Trump or Cruz. I don't need to hate on Cruz to like trump.
Posted by: dIrks strewn at March 16, 2016 09:28 AM (f7Hnr)
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it was probably a winnable election, though it would have been tough.
the fact is, the idea that we should stop bringing in 1.5 million new
Democrats per year probably should have been discussed 30 million new
Democrats ago.
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Absent the "new" voters, the country would have the politics of Texas.
It is an amazing story how conservatism has moved the overton window to the right on native born Americans. The problem is the nominal "conservative" leaders in the government have failed utterly.
the fact is, the idea that we should stop bringing in 1.5 million new
Democrats per year probably should have been discussed 30 million new
Democrats ago.
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Absent the "new" voters, the country would have the politics of Texas.
It is an amazing story how conservatism has moved the overton window to the right on native born Americans. The problem is the nominal "conservative" leaders in the government have failed utterly.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 16, 2016 09:29 AM (X7E8f)
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Part of me wants to see Cruz drop out now... resulting in 50+% of his support immediately going to Trump ... just as an F.U. to all the other, vain, candidates who had a chance to actually assist in stopping Trump by dropping out when it would actually make a difference instead of seeing their base of support dwindle to single digits. Idiots.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 16, 2016 09:29 AM (UypUQ)
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Yeah, I got to say, I disagree with the CW that Trump gets destroyed in the general. Hillary is unappealing beyond all measure, and whatever my distaste for the short-fingered vulgarian, I don't see him treating her gently during the campaign and debates. I think Trump can not only win the general, but win decisively. That's what's scary about him.
Posted by: Il Padrino at March 16, 2016 09:29 AM (TasoZ)
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92 Maybe that should be a rule. Once you are mathematically eliminated and you are not in second place, you are gone.
Posted by: WOPR at March 16, 2016 09:26 AM (LTDSy)
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The only reason Kasich should drop out is if he wants to stop Trump. If he doesn't want that to happen, then there's no reason for him to drop out.
Building negotiating power for the convention is a valid tactic. It's frustrating, but it's also the truth.
On the other hand, however, I do believe that Kasich is pulling more from Trump than anyone else. I saw a poll about Democrats crossing the aisle last night in a state (I think it was Illinois...but don't quote me), and something like 52% went to Trump and 46% went to Kasich leaving a tiny sliver to go to other candidates (those numbers are also...well...paraphrased).
It's possible that Kasich could end up digging deeper into Trump than Cruz in upcoming states.
So...hold out some hope.
Posted by: WOPR at March 16, 2016 09:26 AM (LTDSy)
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The only reason Kasich should drop out is if he wants to stop Trump. If he doesn't want that to happen, then there's no reason for him to drop out.
Building negotiating power for the convention is a valid tactic. It's frustrating, but it's also the truth.
On the other hand, however, I do believe that Kasich is pulling more from Trump than anyone else. I saw a poll about Democrats crossing the aisle last night in a state (I think it was Illinois...but don't quote me), and something like 52% went to Trump and 46% went to Kasich leaving a tiny sliver to go to other candidates (those numbers are also...well...paraphrased).
It's possible that Kasich could end up digging deeper into Trump than Cruz in upcoming states.
So...hold out some hope.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:29 AM (rJSDb)
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Thank you Ace. and thank you for the reminder to be more civil. in the last few days I have been a little bit uncivil and I am sorry for that.
Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at March 16, 2016 09:29 AM (MkZ6B)
Posted by: Doomed at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (GKCQe)
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I'm just willing to accept that Trump is the best Democrat in the race; and the 'Pub have pulled up short with a pulled hammy. Why none of the mainstream guys thought that immigration would be a hot issue baffles me after all the polling and mid-term elections.
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (f+zRv)
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But a LOT of Trump's supporters just have this mode that "I win if I insult someone."
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (dciA+)
And that is almost universal on the Democratic side. All us Republicans are neanderthal knuckle dragging racists. Now that does NOT excuse Trump Supporters or anyone on our side who does the same thing, I am just trying to put things in perspective. These are strange times and each side seems to be playing by a different set of rules and held to a different set of standards.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (dciA+)
And that is almost universal on the Democratic side. All us Republicans are neanderthal knuckle dragging racists. Now that does NOT excuse Trump Supporters or anyone on our side who does the same thing, I am just trying to put things in perspective. These are strange times and each side seems to be playing by a different set of rules and held to a different set of standards.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (DUoqb)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (1JqUE)
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Cult of Obama was definitely worse of the two.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 09:12 AM (VdICR)
I don't know about that. They don't call it the Stupid party for nothing and we're all ready at full stupid.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 09:12 AM (VdICR)
I don't know about that. They don't call it the Stupid party for nothing and we're all ready at full stupid.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (/E+t2)
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>>> I think Trump could beat Hillary.
at some point shouldn't this evidence itself in a poll showing trump at least within the margin of error with Hillary?
I don't think the people counting on all these white Democrat voters/white new voters understand just how small a majority whites now have of the national voteshare.
at some point shouldn't this evidence itself in a poll showing trump at least within the margin of error with Hillary?
I don't think the people counting on all these white Democrat voters/white new voters understand just how small a majority whites now have of the national voteshare.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (dciA+)
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looks like this election has not only forced out the GOPe who have been betraying the conservatives but also the web sites that cheered them along while pretending to be conservative.
Trump isn't a conservative but neither was Romney, McCain and all the other bad nominees of the past. The difference now is the revenue stream from China, Japan and lobbyists could dry up for the GOPe if Trump wins.
The GOPe needs to take their thirty pieces of silver and support the Republican nominee. Now they have to hold their noses and vote as conservatives did for so many years.
Trump isn't a conservative but neither was Romney, McCain and all the other bad nominees of the past. The difference now is the revenue stream from China, Japan and lobbyists could dry up for the GOPe if Trump wins.
The GOPe needs to take their thirty pieces of silver and support the Republican nominee. Now they have to hold their noses and vote as conservatives did for so many years.
Posted by: julescat at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (2EEu5)
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It's better for the rude and obnoxious denizens to know the borders of acceptability. And less of a burden for the proprietor.
OT: I want to challenge liberals to tell me how they are less of a loose cannon with the word 'racist' than Joe McCarthy with the word 'communist'.
OT: I want to challenge liberals to tell me how they are less of a loose cannon with the word 'racist' than Joe McCarthy with the word 'communist'.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (VdICR)
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I'm walking the polling place in November and pulling the straight "R" lever. There is no one on the left that deserves my vote. For anything. I voted my choice in the primary.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 16, 2016 09:31 AM (jsWA8)
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Merrick Garland: SCOTUS nominee
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 16, 2016 09:31 AM (UBzPO)
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>>>
And that is almost universal on the Democratic side. All us Republicans are neanderthal knuckle dragging racists. Now that does NOT excuse Trump Supporters or anyone on our side who does the same thing, I am just trying to put things in perspective. These are strange times and each side seems to be playing by a different set of rules and held to a different set of standards
democrat trolls are routinely banned. There's no "different set of standards." Why should I create a different, more lenient standard for the "Real American Man" brigade?
And that is almost universal on the Democratic side. All us Republicans are neanderthal knuckle dragging racists. Now that does NOT excuse Trump Supporters or anyone on our side who does the same thing, I am just trying to put things in perspective. These are strange times and each side seems to be playing by a different set of rules and held to a different set of standards
democrat trolls are routinely banned. There's no "different set of standards." Why should I create a different, more lenient standard for the "Real American Man" brigade?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:31 AM (dciA+)
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102 I'd vote for Trump in a heart-beat over Shrillary - as would anyone with a brain.
Posted by: Stu at March 16, 2016 09:28 AM (I+uDZ)
Well, yes. But that is NOT the issue. The issue is the man and his record over the past 40 odd years that is relevant and in need of scrutiny.
Until the moment the guy actually wins the nomination, his record and statements are fair game. And attacking Ace or anyone who points this out only shows one's weakness when it comes to the actual, cogent defense of Mr. Trump's real record.
Posted by: Stu at March 16, 2016 09:28 AM (I+uDZ)
Well, yes. But that is NOT the issue. The issue is the man and his record over the past 40 odd years that is relevant and in need of scrutiny.
Until the moment the guy actually wins the nomination, his record and statements are fair game. And attacking Ace or anyone who points this out only shows one's weakness when it comes to the actual, cogent defense of Mr. Trump's real record.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:31 AM (p4UlV)
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>>>>In a contested convention, I would think Rubio's delegates would go to Cruz and hopefully the Donald will keep insulting Kasich and his would too.
Maybe all is wishful thinking, but I keep hoping it is like one of those dark movies where the evil villain is triumphant and you think all is lost and then the hero comes through at the very end and all is well with the world.
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This isn't the way it's going to happen and Boner's already given the justification for passing over Cruz. "He didn't win, therefore the voters clearly didn't want him, therefore we have to pick someone else." We're now learning more about the delegate selection process and the rules committee, and what we're learning is that it's all a sham.
The only way Cruz has a chance is if he keeps it close in the delegate count and then follows Ron Paul's strategy and gets a bunch of his own people elected as delegates in the various state conventions.
Maybe all is wishful thinking, but I keep hoping it is like one of those dark movies where the evil villain is triumphant and you think all is lost and then the hero comes through at the very end and all is well with the world.
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This isn't the way it's going to happen and Boner's already given the justification for passing over Cruz. "He didn't win, therefore the voters clearly didn't want him, therefore we have to pick someone else." We're now learning more about the delegate selection process and the rules committee, and what we're learning is that it's all a sham.
The only way Cruz has a chance is if he keeps it close in the delegate count and then follows Ron Paul's strategy and gets a bunch of his own people elected as delegates in the various state conventions.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 16, 2016 09:31 AM (JxMoP)
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102 It's actually a revolt of 36% - X amount of Democrat crossover voters that are somehow a sign of the Donald's appeal but also definitely not a sign he is not a conservative. And that 36% is of the GOP primary. And just about all of it is east of the Mississippi, but that's quibbling about "flyover".
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 09:32 AM (KUegI)
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
Aye.
Aye.
Posted by: BDD at March 16, 2016 09:32 AM (YWvRr)
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I can't decide. The retarded messianism of 2008 drove me up the wall, but the Cult of Trump is aggressively stupid.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 16, 2016 09:09 AM (mVjMU)
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Nah, the cult of Cruz is worse.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 16, 2016 09:09 AM (mVjMU)
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Nah, the cult of Cruz is worse.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 16, 2016 09:32 AM (LXJ1e)
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the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (dciA+)
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Hmm...
So, no podcast on friday?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (dciA+)
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Hmm...
So, no podcast on friday?
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 16, 2016 09:32 AM (P8unj)
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26 21 I'm not voting for Trump. I'm voting against Hillary.
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Basically my reasoning as well.
Same for me. No different from the last time. I think the republic can survive him. Not so sure about the same for her. Simple as that. And I won't support a grab from outside by Paul Ryan or anyone else. It's either Cruz or Trump.
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Basically my reasoning as well.
Same for me. No different from the last time. I think the republic can survive him. Not so sure about the same for her. Simple as that. And I won't support a grab from outside by Paul Ryan or anyone else. It's either Cruz or Trump.
Posted by: Brad at March 16, 2016 09:33 AM (arypP)
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102 - so now, stu, you're calling someone such as myself "a person without a brain" because I will stay home if it's between Trump and Hillary? If so, then promptly go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Sassy at March 16, 2016 09:33 AM (q7eWh)
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trump will get blown out in an election, and a third party will cause a devastating rupture.
Maybe you've developed this thought in other threads, Ace, but I'm usually not here in the afternoon or evening, so bear with me: why do you think this? Are you presuming that Trump's negatives will continue to rise and that Hillary's favorables will, as well? Or do you think that, in a one-on-one race, it will be a repeat of Hillary's senate "race," with Trump as a jacked-up Rick Lazio?
trump will get blown out in an election, and a third party will cause a devastating rupture.
Maybe you've developed this thought in other threads, Ace, but I'm usually not here in the afternoon or evening, so bear with me: why do you think this? Are you presuming that Trump's negatives will continue to rise and that Hillary's favorables will, as well? Or do you think that, in a one-on-one race, it will be a repeat of Hillary's senate "race," with Trump as a jacked-up Rick Lazio?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 16, 2016 09:33 AM (X6fMO)
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103 OT - Here is the real insult of the day:
Boehner is endorsing Paul Ryan to be the GOP nominee if neither Trump or Cruz get the required number of delegates.
Posted by: William Eaton at March 16, 2016 09:28 AM (q52Ma)
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I'm a Cruz fan, but I don't feel repulsed by this move. I just think back to James K. Polk.
Now...your opinion is going to hinge on your feelings towards Ryan, and I'm less antagonistic towards him than most here. Most of that seems stemmed from immigration, but I have to believe that the conservative wing is large enough and the amnesty advocates are cowed enough by both Bush and Rubio's losses that there won't be that sort of amnesty in a Ryan administration. I mean...not even John Boehner took up the Gang of 8.
I know that's a bridge too far for most, but once (if?) you get past that I think Ryan could be fine.
Boehner is endorsing Paul Ryan to be the GOP nominee if neither Trump or Cruz get the required number of delegates.
Posted by: William Eaton at March 16, 2016 09:28 AM (q52Ma)
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I'm a Cruz fan, but I don't feel repulsed by this move. I just think back to James K. Polk.
Now...your opinion is going to hinge on your feelings towards Ryan, and I'm less antagonistic towards him than most here. Most of that seems stemmed from immigration, but I have to believe that the conservative wing is large enough and the amnesty advocates are cowed enough by both Bush and Rubio's losses that there won't be that sort of amnesty in a Ryan administration. I mean...not even John Boehner took up the Gang of 8.
I know that's a bridge too far for most, but once (if?) you get past that I think Ryan could be fine.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:33 AM (rJSDb)
Posted by: H Badger at March 16, 2016 09:34 AM (n/0Nw)
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>>> Yeah, I got to say, I disagree with the CW that Trump gets destroyed in the general. Hillary is unappealing beyond all measure, and whatever my distaste for the short-fingered vulgarian, I don't see him treating her gently during the campaign and debates. I think Trump can not only win the general, but win decisively. That's what's scary about him.
I entertained this possibility for months and months. I did not rule it out, out of hand. I long speculated that Trump would be an unconventional and strong GE candidate.
HOWEVER, there is NO POLLING to suggest this. Trump is consistently now 9-13 points behind her. In a state like Pennsylvania, where polls had Rubio ahead of Hillary and Cruz within Margin of Error, Trump gets blown out by 12 points.
At what point does a thinking man require some level of actual evidence to continue believing in his theory?
I entertained this possibility for months and months. I did not rule it out, out of hand. I long speculated that Trump would be an unconventional and strong GE candidate.
HOWEVER, there is NO POLLING to suggest this. Trump is consistently now 9-13 points behind her. In a state like Pennsylvania, where polls had Rubio ahead of Hillary and Cruz within Margin of Error, Trump gets blown out by 12 points.
At what point does a thinking man require some level of actual evidence to continue believing in his theory?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:34 AM (dciA+)
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at some point shouldn't this evidence itself in a poll showing trump at least within the margin of error with Hillary?
I don't think the people counting on all these white Democrat voters/white new voters understand just how small a majority whites now have of the national voteshare.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (dciA+)
frist of all all, in this strange year, you have to wait till it all wash's out and we see who and how they are standing after the Convention
Also "National" Polls can be misleading. You have to look at the State by State Polls and see how the Electoral College plays out.
And lastly, what other choice do you have at this point? "Steal" the nomination from trump and have all his followers walk?
I don't think the people counting on all these white Democrat voters/white new voters understand just how small a majority whites now have of the national voteshare.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (dciA+)
frist of all all, in this strange year, you have to wait till it all wash's out and we see who and how they are standing after the Convention
Also "National" Polls can be misleading. You have to look at the State by State Polls and see how the Electoral College plays out.
And lastly, what other choice do you have at this point? "Steal" the nomination from trump and have all his followers walk?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:34 AM (DUoqb)
Posted by: The Diebold Corp. Voting Machine division at March 16, 2016 09:34 AM (GKCQe)
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My 11th grader has been following the debates and the election in general. I asked him about what's being said in school.
Hisindependently arrived at observation: A lot ofkids are just repeating stuff they heard and nobody seems to know what they're talking about.
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My 11th grader has been following the debates and the election in general. I asked him about what's being said in school.
Hisindependently arrived at observation: A lot ofkids are just repeating stuff they heard and nobody seems to know what they're talking about.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 16, 2016 09:34 AM (1JqUE)
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Jim Geraghty's Rubio grief continues. He laments the voters kicking our most electable candidate to the curb.
Here is the bald truth. A large plurality think Trump is a lying huckster who will stab his supporters in the back. Another large plurality think Trump is the only guy who will defend the boarder.
But the outright majority of the grassroots doesn't want open borders shoved down our throat. Some think Cruz is the best solution, some think Trump. But we all agree that the GOPe will give us open borders just like Hillary will. Our only chance is to roll the dice with one of these two.
I'd rather risk losing to Hillary than get a guaranteed path to amnesty. Having said that, Cruz at least has a chance of winning the general. Trump doesn't.
Here is the bald truth. A large plurality think Trump is a lying huckster who will stab his supporters in the back. Another large plurality think Trump is the only guy who will defend the boarder.
But the outright majority of the grassroots doesn't want open borders shoved down our throat. Some think Cruz is the best solution, some think Trump. But we all agree that the GOPe will give us open borders just like Hillary will. Our only chance is to roll the dice with one of these two.
I'd rather risk losing to Hillary than get a guaranteed path to amnesty. Having said that, Cruz at least has a chance of winning the general. Trump doesn't.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 16, 2016 09:34 AM (GfnT3)
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@13 Quick poll: Which is more annoying...
(i) Cult of Trump
(ii) Cult of Obama
Not even close - until people are literally getting the vapors and fainting at Trump rallies the Cult of Obama wins hands-down as the creepiest poli-cult in US political history.
For me, it's easy to understand the "Cult of Trump" - its a whole crapton of people who have been marginalized and held in comtempt for decades by both political parties and who have found a cypher onto which they can cast their hopes. Not unreasonable. Plus it pisses-off the GOPe which is a feature not a bug.
(i) Cult of Trump
(ii) Cult of Obama
Not even close - until people are literally getting the vapors and fainting at Trump rallies the Cult of Obama wins hands-down as the creepiest poli-cult in US political history.
For me, it's easy to understand the "Cult of Trump" - its a whole crapton of people who have been marginalized and held in comtempt for decades by both political parties and who have found a cypher onto which they can cast their hopes. Not unreasonable. Plus it pisses-off the GOPe which is a feature not a bug.
Posted by: DocJ at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (5Nr9V)
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I stopped watching Fox, reading Breitbart and Gateway pundit, clicking on Drudge. Going with a couple of twitter feeds, Instapundit's and Redsteeze and blogs :Ace of course and Powerline, to keep up. Amazing how much more time I have to read and go to the gym.
Posted by: sharon at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (QzF6i)
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Longbow? ;-)
Posted by: Brian at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (UnMRd)
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I'm for Cruz, but I worry about his electability. Unlike Ace, I think Trump might actually win in a blowout. He might pull in a large part of Hillary's blue collar support. Probably not a good president, but he's a strong candidate.
Posted by: Global Warming made Kasich a douche at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (T1Jm0)
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Thank you Ace. The blog definitely took an uncomfortable turn to the point where I didn't like being here and would read a little and then check out.
We have always had disagreements and always will - but minus a good old fashioned flame war, some of the commenters (mostly new nics) were pretty bad.
We have always had disagreements and always will - but minus a good old fashioned flame war, some of the commenters (mostly new nics) were pretty bad.
Posted by: Cheri at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (oiNtH)
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Wow, I go away for a shave shower and diarrhea and come back to Mr. Scribbler getting whacked.
I'll say this for the guy; I've disagreed with him mightily on the Trump/Cruz fight, but to my recollection he never made it personal. He was a bit blinkered and it was rather puerile to keep referring to Cruz as "Rafael." But a real personal attack, especially on Ace in his own home, is beyond the pale.
Too bad, as he was more cogent than most, but crossing a line like that is verboten.
Wow, I go away for a shave shower and diarrhea and come back to Mr. Scribbler getting whacked.
I'll say this for the guy; I've disagreed with him mightily on the Trump/Cruz fight, but to my recollection he never made it personal. He was a bit blinkered and it was rather puerile to keep referring to Cruz as "Rafael." But a real personal attack, especially on Ace in his own home, is beyond the pale.
Too bad, as he was more cogent than most, but crossing a line like that is verboten.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (p4UlV)
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And as for the constant insults and immediately taking every discussion of a third party person or political issue as a personal slight:
tl;dr - ace's sandbox, ace's rules (I cannot believe people who ostensibly claim to hold private property rights sacred must be told this)
Start! Novel time!
That's what is bothering me most about this election cycle other than, no, really, what exact species of hair weasel is that.
It seems that the Right is now all in on the political is per se personal and that an attack on a candidate is an attack on the supporters of that candidate.
Look, I admit that I'm heaving stones out of a glass house here but I am at least trying to cut back on doing so. It's not fair and it's not right and all it does is make people do yes well fuck you right back I'll vote that way just to piss you off. Even I know enough of human nature to grok that.
I can only speak for myself and those shelves of bell jars over there, but I think some, not all, but some, of this is coming from a very primal place of so how does that shit sandwich taste being shoved down your throat. I've spent the last few decades being told over and over and over again how I'm an idiot and a child and just don't know how the game is played for noting that I'm not too keen on having to go out and support Dole or McCain or Romney or whomever. I have a deep felt longing to give some of my own right back now that the shoe is on the other foot.
But. But this isn't my sandbox. If I want to do that, I can do it in my own space, not someone else's.
Embrace the healing power of typing and deleting!
tl;dr - ace's sandbox, ace's rules (I cannot believe people who ostensibly claim to hold private property rights sacred must be told this)
Start! Novel time!
That's what is bothering me most about this election cycle other than, no, really, what exact species of hair weasel is that.
It seems that the Right is now all in on the political is per se personal and that an attack on a candidate is an attack on the supporters of that candidate.
Look, I admit that I'm heaving stones out of a glass house here but I am at least trying to cut back on doing so. It's not fair and it's not right and all it does is make people do yes well fuck you right back I'll vote that way just to piss you off. Even I know enough of human nature to grok that.
I can only speak for myself and those shelves of bell jars over there, but I think some, not all, but some, of this is coming from a very primal place of so how does that shit sandwich taste being shoved down your throat. I've spent the last few decades being told over and over and over again how I'm an idiot and a child and just don't know how the game is played for noting that I'm not too keen on having to go out and support Dole or McCain or Romney or whomever. I have a deep felt longing to give some of my own right back now that the shoe is on the other foot.
But. But this isn't my sandbox. If I want to do that, I can do it in my own space, not someone else's.
Embrace the healing power of typing and deleting!
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (mf5HN)
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Awww, c'mon, You guys act like there won't be any popcorn at the End of The World. There's a loooong way to go between here and November. I don't think the Dem nominee is even running yet. Hillary needs to knock off Captain Commie before she steps aside for health reasons (indictments can cause coughing fits and other nasty symptoms) . Then Team Barry can handpick his successor to preserve his legacy of suck.
Trump is careless blustery buffoon, but I don't believe he is as stupid as he appears. I'll buy he's an Authoritarian and not a Conservative, it just means he'll need immediate feedback from the mob to keep him on the straight and narrow. He roused the rabble, and the rabble must keep his worst impulses in check. I have faith in the rabble. The country has survived eight years of someone actively trying to destroy it, I don't think Trump pulls it off by accident.
Trump is careless blustery buffoon, but I don't believe he is as stupid as he appears. I'll buy he's an Authoritarian and not a Conservative, it just means he'll need immediate feedback from the mob to keep him on the straight and narrow. He roused the rabble, and the rabble must keep his worst impulses in check. I have faith in the rabble. The country has survived eight years of someone actively trying to destroy it, I don't think Trump pulls it off by accident.
Posted by: Taggert at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (dqnGo)
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Some of you seem to think you actually are Donald Trump. If so, then follow his actual tactics: Declare bankruptcy and post illiterately unhinged tweets on Twitter.
Ouch. Even an Ace ass-chewing has poetry.
Ouch. Even an Ace ass-chewing has poetry.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (rwI+c)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (Zu3d9)
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Whassup?
Posted by: mrp at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (JBggj)
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Posted by: sharon at March 16, 2016 09:23 AM (QzF6i
Keep your head up. Considering Cruz jumped in Fla and Ohio to help Trump WIN, this is a good day. No more crowded field and it looks like Kasich will hurt Trump not Cruz in future states. This is what Cruz has wanted all along. The left and right wing media want to frame otherwise. My biggest advice is to skip the Trump Report or at least understand Matt Drudge is in full Trump mode and is doing what he can to frame the narrative. Now let's see if Cruz can start winning.
Keep your head up. Considering Cruz jumped in Fla and Ohio to help Trump WIN, this is a good day. No more crowded field and it looks like Kasich will hurt Trump not Cruz in future states. This is what Cruz has wanted all along. The left and right wing media want to frame otherwise. My biggest advice is to skip the Trump Report or at least understand Matt Drudge is in full Trump mode and is doing what he can to frame the narrative. Now let's see if Cruz can start winning.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (/E+t2)
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My 11th grader has been following the debates and the election in general. I asked him about what's being said in school.
Hisindependently arrived at observation: A lot ofkids are just repeating stuff they heard and nobody seems to know what they're talking about.
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Sounds about like 11th grade. And politics in general.
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My 11th grader has been following the debates and the election in general. I asked him about what's being said in school.
Hisindependently arrived at observation: A lot ofkids are just repeating stuff they heard and nobody seems to know what they're talking about.
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Sounds about like 11th grade. And politics in general.
Posted by: Jenny Dares To Dream at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (eJjmS)
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He was a bit blinkered and it was rather puerile to keep referring to Cruz as "Rafael." But a real personal attack, especially on Ace in his own home, is beyond the pale.
Too bad, as he was more cogent than most, but crossing a line like that is verboten.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (p4UlV)
Ah he was the "Rafael" guy... OK
Too bad, as he was more cogent than most, but crossing a line like that is verboten.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (p4UlV)
Ah he was the "Rafael" guy... OK
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (DUoqb)
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***"it was probably a winnable election, though it would have been tough. the fact is, the idea that we should stop bringing in 1.5 million new Democrats per year probably should have been discussed 30 million new Democrats ago."***
Doesn't matter. Even if they did stop the flow, the Donks have captured the Bureaucracy, the corporate leadership, the non-profits, academia, the fvcking GOPe, and last-but-not-least the media. It's how the party in control can change, but we still keep going left.
At this point we're just arguing over bragging rights.
Gramsci was the true architect.
Doesn't matter. Even if they did stop the flow, the Donks have captured the Bureaucracy, the corporate leadership, the non-profits, academia, the fvcking GOPe, and last-but-not-least the media. It's how the party in control can change, but we still keep going left.
At this point we're just arguing over bragging rights.
Gramsci was the true architect.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (Wckf4)
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So what William Eaton is saying in 103 is that you're screwed by the Dems and screwed by the Repubs, and you can't form a third party because they rigged the system against it (so you can't have actual factions like in the UK, which allows for some negotiating room).
Can I still be angry? So long as I don't do it here?
Can I still be angry? So long as I don't do it here?
Posted by: Uma Thurman's Feet at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (WkDot)
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lol.. after that post from Ace and I STILL see people trying to piss him off. Jesus H... maybe you SHOULD go somewhere else. You are apparently too stupid for this place.
Posted by: jewells45 at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (l/N7H)
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I ask this in an earlier thread. Has anyone looked at the total number of votes in each camp R versus D in the primaries? they are way up on the R side.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (jsWA8)
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>>>re you presuming that Trump's negatives will continue to rise and that Hillary's favorables will, as well? Or do you think that, in a one-on-one race, it will be a repeat of Hillary's senate "race," with Trump as a jacked-up Rick Lazio?
the polls. Trump is always 9-13 points behind Hillary. That is a HUGE deficit.
His unfavorables are higher than hers. You call her loathsome; fine, she is. But objectively, per opinion polls, she is 5% less loathsome than Donald Trump.
What exactly is Trump going to do to change opinions that people have had about him for a long time?
I have a feeling I know what he'll do when he's desperate: start promising stuff from the Liberal Sack of Goody Bag Hand-Outs.
But that won't be enough. And at that point, who cares who wins, anyway?
the polls. Trump is always 9-13 points behind Hillary. That is a HUGE deficit.
His unfavorables are higher than hers. You call her loathsome; fine, she is. But objectively, per opinion polls, she is 5% less loathsome than Donald Trump.
What exactly is Trump going to do to change opinions that people have had about him for a long time?
I have a feeling I know what he'll do when he's desperate: start promising stuff from the Liberal Sack of Goody Bag Hand-Outs.
But that won't be enough. And at that point, who cares who wins, anyway?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:37 AM (dciA+)
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"i banned a guy and now i'm writing a post about it"
Posted by: Otherkinz at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (fMhOl)
What are you trying to say?
"i banned a guy and now i'm writing a post about it"
Posted by: Otherkinz at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (fMhOl)
What are you trying to say?
Posted by: Mimzey at March 16, 2016 09:37 AM (aRUb8)
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Now let's see if Cruz can start winning.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (/E+t2)
Yeah but it may be to late. 3 months ago would have been nice.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (/E+t2)
Yeah but it may be to late. 3 months ago would have been nice.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:37 AM (DUoqb)
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Is Werner Ehrhard still conning people with EST? Or did he finally drink the Kool Aid??
Posted by: blogforce one at March 16, 2016 09:38 AM (y+/yF)
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Cruz had better pull some magic shit in Arizona or he's going to be in too deep of a hole. He really need 1,000 more votes in Mizzou.
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2016 09:38 AM (f+zRv)
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Trump could beat Hilary if the election is fair-meaning no funny business with Mickey Mouse et al voting for Hilary, like they did for Obama. My sister in law had my husband's completely incapacitated mother vote for Obama, which is reprehensible, but probably happened a lot more than I want to think about.
Unfortunately, you have idiot city councils who want to give illegals the right to vote, the FSA, and of course, various dead, undead and cartoon creatures who descend on the polls.
I'm still going to vote against Hilary, but I'm not going be to be naive about it.
And that Otherkinz person? Sweetie, you need to stop. If you have your knickers in a twist because Ace is enforcing His rules in His house, you need to toddle off.
Unfortunately, you have idiot city councils who want to give illegals the right to vote, the FSA, and of course, various dead, undead and cartoon creatures who descend on the polls.
I'm still going to vote against Hilary, but I'm not going be to be naive about it.
And that Otherkinz person? Sweetie, you need to stop. If you have your knickers in a twist because Ace is enforcing His rules in His house, you need to toddle off.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:38 AM (7q2ch)
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But.... but.... how will I eat my Cheerios without MrS's morning HotAir bashing?!
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 16, 2016 09:38 AM (XGXXh)
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Yep. As a committed lurker, I find myself baffled by the folks who rant
and rave at the site owner. If you think you can do it better, start
your own blog. Or just stop reading this one, simple as that. I used
to peruse certain websites and when they I thought they were full of
shit, I just took 'em off the booklist and never went back. How
difficult is that?
- Pave Low John (who has the coolest internet handle I've run into into this week) speaks for me, here. Man in the arena and all that.
and rave at the site owner. If you think you can do it better, start
your own blog. Or just stop reading this one, simple as that. I used
to peruse certain websites and when they I thought they were full of
shit, I just took 'em off the booklist and never went back. How
difficult is that?
- Pave Low John (who has the coolest internet handle I've run into into this week) speaks for me, here. Man in the arena and all that.
Posted by: E.E. Knight at March 16, 2016 09:38 AM (7b4Mw)
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154 I ask this in an earlier thread. Has anyone looked at the total number of votes in each camp R versus D in the primaries? they are way up on the R side.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (jsWA
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Bolstered by Democrats who will largely go back to voting for the Democrat in November. Also...there are those who voted for other candidates who won't come to Trump's aid in November. That number probably isn't going to be huge, but it will probably be enough to ensure that swing states stay out of the Republican's hands.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (jsWA
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Bolstered by Democrats who will largely go back to voting for the Democrat in November. Also...there are those who voted for other candidates who won't come to Trump's aid in November. That number probably isn't going to be huge, but it will probably be enough to ensure that swing states stay out of the Republican's hands.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:38 AM (rJSDb)
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"Embrace the healing power of typing and deleting!"
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (mf5HN)
You know what else is pretty fvcking cathartic?
A well-reasoned argument buttressed with facts and shit.
[and good Scotch, but that's a discussion for another day]
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (mf5HN)
You know what else is pretty fvcking cathartic?
A well-reasoned argument buttressed with facts and shit.
[and good Scotch, but that's a discussion for another day]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 09:38 AM (Zu3d9)
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Hugh Hewitt, Mr. Establishment, was saying the big winner was "an open convention," and was actively rooting for it. Manipulating the convention to award a "suitable" candidate - Boehner endorsed Paul Ryan - would be the final nail in the GOPs coffin.
Ace is right; we're losing either way.
Ace is right; we're losing either way.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (xpkI/)
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'Ryan already responded to Boehner with a "me not want"'
No, he did not. He said he "wouldn't rule it out".
No, he did not. He said he "wouldn't rule it out".
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (CcpUn)
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And I thought 2012 was a difficult election year!
Stay sane everyone. Take time off the computer, read fiction, make delicious sandwiches, etc.
Live a life of love, try to see what is beautiful in life.
Stay sane everyone. Take time off the computer, read fiction, make delicious sandwiches, etc.
Live a life of love, try to see what is beautiful in life.
Posted by: Max Power at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (QCc6B)
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130 Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:33 AM (rJSDb)
The rules are the rules, and perhaps I am being naive, but in the old days the party elders and the electorate where much more in sync with one another.
I think if Trump or Cruz is on front but falls short of 1237 by 100 delegates, and the GOP-e chooses Paul Ryan or whomever, there will be hell to pay. The GOP will definitely go the way of the Whigs. Maybe that's not a bad thing, but the country will collapse with Hilary and we'll never have a chance to see the GOP's replacement since the country will be gone.
The rules are the rules, and perhaps I am being naive, but in the old days the party elders and the electorate where much more in sync with one another.
I think if Trump or Cruz is on front but falls short of 1237 by 100 delegates, and the GOP-e chooses Paul Ryan or whomever, there will be hell to pay. The GOP will definitely go the way of the Whigs. Maybe that's not a bad thing, but the country will collapse with Hilary and we'll never have a chance to see the GOP's replacement since the country will be gone.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (p4UlV)
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About to get wheeled into surgery, prayers and thoughts appreciated (they help).
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (XGXXh)
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Love the liberal application of the ban hammer.
I can't vote Trump or Hilary and respect myself in the morning. I may be writing in SMOD.
I can't vote Trump or Hilary and respect myself in the morning. I may be writing in SMOD.
Posted by: The Sampo at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (VnP/f)
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the idea that we should stop bringing in 1.5 million new Democrats per year probably should have been discussed 30 million new Democrats ago.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (dciA+)
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Haven't you heard? They're going to "fall in love with America." Any minute now . . . . hang on . . . espereme, uno momento . . . ahora lo prometo . . ."
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:25 AM (dciA+)
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Haven't you heard? They're going to "fall in love with America." Any minute now . . . . hang on . . . espereme, uno momento . . . ahora lo prometo . . ."
Posted by: iforgot at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (pC96u)
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the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
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There is still...us. The people. People's beliefs. People's ideas. Even if the party is destroyed, the people are still here and not changing. The majority of people in this country are not going to allow Hillary to take away their freedoms, even if she's elected POTUS. There is still time left in our country to organize an effective opposition to the democrats. I know it can happen. Sometimes something has to be destroyed and re-built. All is not lost.
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There is still...us. The people. People's beliefs. People's ideas. Even if the party is destroyed, the people are still here and not changing. The majority of people in this country are not going to allow Hillary to take away their freedoms, even if she's elected POTUS. There is still time left in our country to organize an effective opposition to the democrats. I know it can happen. Sometimes something has to be destroyed and re-built. All is not lost.
Posted by: Adrienne at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (lVcuh)
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At some point a Trump fan is going to be able to explain why he's down double digits in national polling (worse than McCain or Romney at this point) and still has a chance in the general without pulling out the ridiculously non-applicable "Reagan 1980!" card.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (KUegI)
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>>>Can I still be angry? So long as I don't do it here?
you can be angry. I didn't phrase that right. I meant, don't post JUST that you're angry. Don't just post these angry, one or two sentence off-topic rants.
Everyone's angry. I'm angry. (And not just because Trump is winning; I was fine with that months ago, because I was angry (still am) at the GOPe. And Obama. And the stupidity of Americans. And the decline of our nation, now inevitable.)
But This crap where people get on line just to grunt like animals -- enough of that fucking shit.
You and I can sit here having a somewhat interesting exchange. That's useful.
But what good does someone's animal grunting do for anyone?
For them, it's catharsis. But to them, I say: Go yell in a closet. I don't need to hear you yelling.
you can be angry. I didn't phrase that right. I meant, don't post JUST that you're angry. Don't just post these angry, one or two sentence off-topic rants.
Everyone's angry. I'm angry. (And not just because Trump is winning; I was fine with that months ago, because I was angry (still am) at the GOPe. And Obama. And the stupidity of Americans. And the decline of our nation, now inevitable.)
But This crap where people get on line just to grunt like animals -- enough of that fucking shit.
You and I can sit here having a somewhat interesting exchange. That's useful.
But what good does someone's animal grunting do for anyone?
For them, it's catharsis. But to them, I say: Go yell in a closet. I don't need to hear you yelling.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:40 AM (dciA+)
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BTW, I am rooting for the demise of the GOP as it currently stands.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 16, 2016 09:40 AM (xpkI/)
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>>>I don't care if you vote for Trump or not. We're losing either way.
trump will get blown out in an election, and a third party will cause a devastating rupture.
the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely
destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
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<sings> "wish you'd come back off that ledge my friend."
Be of good cheer.
We're in the same spot we were 2 months ago.
Shit Status: Confirmed
Boned Status: Activated
FUBAR: Final Staging
trump will get blown out in an election, and a third party will cause a devastating rupture.
the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely
destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
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<sings> "wish you'd come back off that ledge my friend."
Be of good cheer.
We're in the same spot we were 2 months ago.
Shit Status: Confirmed
Boned Status: Activated
FUBAR: Final Staging
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 16, 2016 09:40 AM (fQ/0p)
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Ace is right; we're losing either way.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (xpkI/)
A) I don't think he is right
B) I don't quit or take my marbles and run home
C) This Country still matters to me and I intend to fight for it and what I want America to be.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (xpkI/)
A) I don't think he is right
B) I don't quit or take my marbles and run home
C) This Country still matters to me and I intend to fight for it and what I want America to be.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:40 AM (DUoqb)
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Praying for you pookysgirl-God give you complete and total healing.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:40 AM (7q2ch)
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good luck, pooky'sgirl!
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 16, 2016 09:40 AM (eJjmS)
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Madame President
Posted by: Zeno at March 16, 2016 09:40 AM (VrQW9)
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>I entertained this possibility for months and months. I did not rule it out, out of hand. I long speculated that Trump would be an unconventional and strong GE candidate.
HOWEVER, there is NO POLLING to suggest this. Trump is consistently now 9-13 points behind her. In a state like Pennsylvania, where polls had Rubio ahead of Hillary and Cruz within Margin of Error, Trump gets blown out by 12 points.
At what point does a thinking man require some level of >actual evidence to continue believing in his theory?
I think there's no polling to suggest it because the Republican primaries are such a bitter donnybrook at the moment, that such head-to-head polls are capturing a chunk of the NeverTrump sentiment. If he actually becomes the nominee, there's going to be a degree of consolidation -- maybe a lot, maybe a little, who knows? Also, what are those polls going to look like after Trump has spent weeks ridiculing Hillary for Benghazi, for her emails, for her ankles, and for Bill's endless horndogging on her watch?
I'm not saying this as a Trump supporter -- I have been and remain solidly behind Cruz and I think Trump is one of the most poisonous individuals in public life. I say it as someone who is utterly dejected about Trump's ongoing successes. I just don't see them stopping if he snatches the nomination.
HOWEVER, there is NO POLLING to suggest this. Trump is consistently now 9-13 points behind her. In a state like Pennsylvania, where polls had Rubio ahead of Hillary and Cruz within Margin of Error, Trump gets blown out by 12 points.
At what point does a thinking man require some level of >actual evidence to continue believing in his theory?
I think there's no polling to suggest it because the Republican primaries are such a bitter donnybrook at the moment, that such head-to-head polls are capturing a chunk of the NeverTrump sentiment. If he actually becomes the nominee, there's going to be a degree of consolidation -- maybe a lot, maybe a little, who knows? Also, what are those polls going to look like after Trump has spent weeks ridiculing Hillary for Benghazi, for her emails, for her ankles, and for Bill's endless horndogging on her watch?
I'm not saying this as a Trump supporter -- I have been and remain solidly behind Cruz and I think Trump is one of the most poisonous individuals in public life. I say it as someone who is utterly dejected about Trump's ongoing successes. I just don't see them stopping if he snatches the nomination.
Posted by: Il Padrino at March 16, 2016 09:40 AM (TasoZ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (DUoqb)
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I am always amazed at idiots who site head to head polls 7 months out. They have been wrong every single fucking presidential election for 50 years. Morons!
Posted by: suckitupbuttercup at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (GHtJF)
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PSA - if you are banned and Fen is still around, you are doing it wrong.
Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (V/X7u)
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The only chance Cruz and Trump have now is to team up on one ticket.
If they don't, GOP puts in their guy.
If they don't, GOP puts in their guy.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (zfvHs)
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Can't we all just get along...
and celebrate the end of double dealing Marco Rubio's political career?
and celebrate the end of double dealing Marco Rubio's political career?
Posted by: Zombie Rodney King at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (ZsN9X)
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Ace,
Thank you for banning idiots. I enjoy this blog immensely and learn much from the posts and from the comments.
The wittiness, snark, etc. in the comments is part of the attraction to this blog. The vast majority of commenters are thinking people, whose comments are insightful, funny , and make you think.
Blogs seem to get hit in waves with the nasty underbelly of the population. And to me, I can't imagine insulting and complaining about the blog's host. Blogs and websites, particularly one that is updated several times a day, take a lot of work. Those who have never produced or managed one are often clueless as to how much time and work is involved.
Ban away! By keeping the blog comment rules strong, it makes everyone have to actually think when they post, instead of writing "F*%^ eight or ten times in a post.
Thank you for banning idiots. I enjoy this blog immensely and learn much from the posts and from the comments.
The wittiness, snark, etc. in the comments is part of the attraction to this blog. The vast majority of commenters are thinking people, whose comments are insightful, funny , and make you think.
Blogs seem to get hit in waves with the nasty underbelly of the population. And to me, I can't imagine insulting and complaining about the blog's host. Blogs and websites, particularly one that is updated several times a day, take a lot of work. Those who have never produced or managed one are often clueless as to how much time and work is involved.
Ban away! By keeping the blog comment rules strong, it makes everyone have to actually think when they post, instead of writing "F*%^ eight or ten times in a post.
Posted by: Jen the original at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (rKNmI)
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Former speaker Bonehead endorses Paul Ryan for Preezy..pretty much an endorsement for 8 years of Clintonista dismantling of the USA
Posted by: blogforce one at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (y+/yF)
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"Ask not for whom the banhammer falls; it falls for thee."
Posted by: Sharkman at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (QWtgr)
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"Has anyone looked at the total number of votes in each camp R versus D in the primaries? they are way up on the R side."
Trying to generalize from primary voters to general election voters would be a YUUUUGE mistake. Totally different populations. Primary voters are people who are actually involved with the parties and the political process enough to get involved at an early stage. A significant chunk of the general election voters is made of of people who vote once every four years, if they happen to remember.
Trying to generalize from primary voters to general election voters would be a YUUUUGE mistake. Totally different populations. Primary voters are people who are actually involved with the parties and the political process enough to get involved at an early stage. A significant chunk of the general election voters is made of of people who vote once every four years, if they happen to remember.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 16, 2016 09:42 AM (CcpUn)
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It can't be repeated enough: If you don't go into a man's house and piss on his leg why would you go to his blog and piss on his comments section? Debate ace, question ace respectfully, raise valid points -- ace is FAR more tolerant than most other blog owners -- but don't be a huge, throbbing dick. It's not a difficult concept and your mom should have taught it to you by now.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 16, 2016 09:42 AM (RD7QR)
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at some point shouldn't this evidence itself in a poll showing trump at least within the margin of error with Hillary?
I don't think the people counting on all these white Democrat voters/white new voters understand just how small a majority whites now have of the national voteshare.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (dciA+)
The evidence hasn't shown up yet, but I kinda think Trumps appeal to African Americans could surprise us all. Just a hunch. He's a New Yorker through and through, and that could help connect with other city folk in places like Philly.
I don't think the people counting on all these white Democrat voters/white new voters understand just how small a majority whites now have of the national voteshare.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (dciA+)
The evidence hasn't shown up yet, but I kinda think Trumps appeal to African Americans could surprise us all. Just a hunch. He's a New Yorker through and through, and that could help connect with other city folk in places like Philly.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 16, 2016 09:42 AM (UypUQ)
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I would add: If engaging in social media causes you
to act in unacceptably anti-social ways, then maybe you need to get off
social media.
Maybe you need to tend gardens closer to home, instead of engaging in fantasy bloodsport politics in a comments area.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (dciA+)One of the best aspects of this place is using sockpuppeting as a means to illustrate the absurdity of some closed-minded remarks being made. On the other hand, some go too far and take things too personal and escalate to a ridiculous level.Being a conservative the past decade or so has been a rough ride. We're mocked and insulted over our very heartfelt beliefs. Facts laced with hyperbole, snark, and humor is the way to respond. Don't give in to the dark side of human behavior.
to act in unacceptably anti-social ways, then maybe you need to get off
social media.
Maybe you need to tend gardens closer to home, instead of engaging in fantasy bloodsport politics in a comments area.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:18 AM (dciA+)One of the best aspects of this place is using sockpuppeting as a means to illustrate the absurdity of some closed-minded remarks being made. On the other hand, some go too far and take things too personal and escalate to a ridiculous level.Being a conservative the past decade or so has been a rough ride. We're mocked and insulted over our very heartfelt beliefs. Facts laced with hyperbole, snark, and humor is the way to respond. Don't give in to the dark side of human behavior.
Posted by: Hadoop at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (2X7pN)
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169 About to get wheeled into surgery, prayers and thoughts appreciated (they help).
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (XGXXh)
Up! May the Lord bless, keep and protect you. Swift and successful recovery.
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (XGXXh)
Up! May the Lord bless, keep and protect you. Swift and successful recovery.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (p4UlV)
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I don't think the people counting on all these white Democrat voters/white new voters understand just how small a majority whites now have of the national voteshare.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (dciA+)
Stop doing this.
We supposedly don't believe in this at all. In identity politics, in dividing people up by aspects of themselves that they can't change.
It's a useful wedge but it's a harmful one, and there is power, not just abstract, academic, intellectual power but real unifying power in rejecting it.
We can't play this game anymore. The democrats win if we divide ourselves up this way. Trump isn't doing it, by the way. He has never uttered the words black or white ever, in any of his speeches. And it's working.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (dciA+)
Stop doing this.
We supposedly don't believe in this at all. In identity politics, in dividing people up by aspects of themselves that they can't change.
It's a useful wedge but it's a harmful one, and there is power, not just abstract, academic, intellectual power but real unifying power in rejecting it.
We can't play this game anymore. The democrats win if we divide ourselves up this way. Trump isn't doing it, by the way. He has never uttered the words black or white ever, in any of his speeches. And it's working.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (xuouz)
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168 The rules are the rules, and perhaps I am being naive, but in the old days the party elders and the electorate where much more in sync with one another.
I think if Trump or Cruz is on front but falls short of 1237 by 100 delegates, and the GOP-e chooses Paul Ryan or whomever, there will be hell to pay. The GOP will definitely go the way of the Whigs. Maybe that's not a bad thing, but the country will collapse with Hilary and we'll never have a chance to see the GOP's replacement since the country will be gone.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (p4UlV)
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I'm not saying Ryan would win the presidency, just that if he ever got the office he'd probably be pretty good.
I draw a loose connection between the Republican primary and the potential convention dance with the 1828 election that got thrown to the house and took the plurality away from Jackson giving the presidency to John Q. Adams.
Adams became a completely irrelevant president because his own party considered him illegitimate and fought him. If we go to convention, Trump has a sizable plurality, and the party takes it from him, the party splits at worst and becomes purely ineffective at best. If, however, we're looking at something like 42% Trump and 40% Cruz and Cruz gets the nod, I wonder if that damage would be nearly as much?
I think if Trump or Cruz is on front but falls short of 1237 by 100 delegates, and the GOP-e chooses Paul Ryan or whomever, there will be hell to pay. The GOP will definitely go the way of the Whigs. Maybe that's not a bad thing, but the country will collapse with Hilary and we'll never have a chance to see the GOP's replacement since the country will be gone.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (p4UlV)
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I'm not saying Ryan would win the presidency, just that if he ever got the office he'd probably be pretty good.
I draw a loose connection between the Republican primary and the potential convention dance with the 1828 election that got thrown to the house and took the plurality away from Jackson giving the presidency to John Q. Adams.
Adams became a completely irrelevant president because his own party considered him illegitimate and fought him. If we go to convention, Trump has a sizable plurality, and the party takes it from him, the party splits at worst and becomes purely ineffective at best. If, however, we're looking at something like 42% Trump and 40% Cruz and Cruz gets the nod, I wonder if that damage would be nearly as much?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (rJSDb)
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I've got to say, I'm not exactly sanguine that Cruz's current standing basically boils down to "we're not mathematically eliminated yet!"
So, yes, let's not give up on America's last, best hope in this election, but let's also remember the choices on the other side are 1. the best intelligence asset of America's enemies and 2. an actual fcuking avowed socialist. Priorities, people.
So, yes, let's not give up on America's last, best hope in this election, but let's also remember the choices on the other side are 1. the best intelligence asset of America's enemies and 2. an actual fcuking avowed socialist. Priorities, people.
Posted by: shillelagh at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (L3vVL)
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Status:
(_) not real
(X) shit getting real
Sure, I prefer Cruz. But he has warts. Do I really believe he'd abolish the IRS, or that is in the best interests of the country? Of course not. That's delusional.
Trump I'll accept as the fuck you candidate. I think, based on the increased voter turnout on the republican side, with a corresponding decrease on the democrat side, a lot of people don't care about party affiliation this time. They just want to say 'Fuck You' to the statist quo.
Hillary Clinton is the weakest candidate I can ever recall.
(_) not real
(X) shit getting real
Sure, I prefer Cruz. But he has warts. Do I really believe he'd abolish the IRS, or that is in the best interests of the country? Of course not. That's delusional.
Trump I'll accept as the fuck you candidate. I think, based on the increased voter turnout on the republican side, with a corresponding decrease on the democrat side, a lot of people don't care about party affiliation this time. They just want to say 'Fuck You' to the statist quo.
Hillary Clinton is the weakest candidate I can ever recall.
Posted by: mega machines at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (fbovC)
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>>>Trying to generalize from primary voters to general election voters would be a YUUUUGE mistake.
joe trippi said in the last seven elections where there was above-normal primary turn out, there was only above-normal general election turn out in four of the cases -- that is, just barely above 50% of the time.
Ergo, there is very little correlation between the one and the other.
joe trippi said in the last seven elections where there was above-normal primary turn out, there was only above-normal general election turn out in four of the cases -- that is, just barely above 50% of the time.
Ergo, there is very little correlation between the one and the other.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (dciA+)
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I think Sanders goes third party. His followers are every bit as cult-like as the Trump contingent, maybe more so. That wouldn't be great news for Granny Cacklepants.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom
I doubt that. It takes a lot of work and money.
And after 2000 and Nader, the dems would fight tooth and nail to keep him off of ballots.
They would then tout the 'fact' that he's a fringe candidate.
This is all wishful thinking.
The dems want mommom, and the GOPe wants virtually anyone except the two leaders. And both parties are adamant about this.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom
I doubt that. It takes a lot of work and money.
And after 2000 and Nader, the dems would fight tooth and nail to keep him off of ballots.
They would then tout the 'fact' that he's a fringe candidate.
This is all wishful thinking.
The dems want mommom, and the GOPe wants virtually anyone except the two leaders. And both parties are adamant about this.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (326rv)
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63 >>>63 problem?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:21 AM (dciA+)
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"No problem here, suh." [slinks back into cotton field]
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:21 AM (dciA+)
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"No problem here, suh." [slinks back into cotton field]
Posted by: Otherkinz at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (fMhOl)
Posted by: Piercello at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (RXfvh)
Posted by: Harlekwin at March 16, 2016 09:44 AM (ftdxp)
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"the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are
now completely destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now;
it's all over.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (dciA+)"
Yes. However, given the choice between Trump and Hillary, Trump does not hate American in General and heterosexual white men in particular.
He is also a vindictive prick and he will use some of the new powers that Obama has appropriated to the Presidency to screw over many Democrats.
I wish that I had better, more optimistic things to say about the situation. I was hoping for Bobby Jindal or Scott Walker or Rick Perry but that is not where we are today.
I held my nose and voted for Mitt Romney. I held my nose and voted for John McCain. I can hold my nose and vote for Donald Trump.
now completely destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now;
it's all over.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:19 AM (dciA+)"
Yes. However, given the choice between Trump and Hillary, Trump does not hate American in General and heterosexual white men in particular.
He is also a vindictive prick and he will use some of the new powers that Obama has appropriated to the Presidency to screw over many Democrats.
I wish that I had better, more optimistic things to say about the situation. I was hoping for Bobby Jindal or Scott Walker or Rick Perry but that is not where we are today.
I held my nose and voted for Mitt Romney. I held my nose and voted for John McCain. I can hold my nose and vote for Donald Trump.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 16, 2016 09:44 AM (QHgTq)
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I can only speak for myself and those shelves of bell jars over there, but I think some, not all, but some, of this is coming from a very primal place of so how does that shit sandwich taste being shoved down your throat. I've spent the last few decades being told over and over and over again how I'm an idiot and a child and just don't know how the game is played for noting that I'm not too keen on having to go out and support Dole or McCain or Romney or whomever. I have a deep felt longing to give some of my own right back now that the shoe is on the other foot.
There's a lot of this, yes. Hell, there's still a lot of the "you're an idiot and a child and don't know what you're doing" on this blog, but whatever. Ace's house, Ace's rules. It'd be nice to see personal attacks in *both* directions stop. Hopefully that happens, because there are personal attacks that are definitely coming from the anti-trump brigade just about as much as the other way.
There's a lot of this, yes. Hell, there's still a lot of the "you're an idiot and a child and don't know what you're doing" on this blog, but whatever. Ace's house, Ace's rules. It'd be nice to see personal attacks in *both* directions stop. Hopefully that happens, because there are personal attacks that are definitely coming from the anti-trump brigade just about as much as the other way.
Posted by: GMan at March 16, 2016 09:44 AM (sxq57)
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182 But what good does someone's animal grunting do for anyone?
So your not a Sharapova fan?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (DUoqb)
Ooh, with Maria the grunting is a feature, not a bug.
So your not a Sharapova fan?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (DUoqb)
Ooh, with Maria the grunting is a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 16, 2016 09:44 AM (RD7QR)
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I think the only way forward is for Cruz to drop out and accept the VP slot.
Cruz can't win, if he persists the there is going to be a brokered convention and he and Trump are going to be shit out and a hand picked GOPe clown is going to be installed.
Come on Cruz, do the right thing.
Join the Donald.
Imagine the exploding heads.
Trump/Cruz 2016 - FUCK YOU, WAR!!
Cruz can't win, if he persists the there is going to be a brokered convention and he and Trump are going to be shit out and a hand picked GOPe clown is going to be installed.
Come on Cruz, do the right thing.
Join the Donald.
Imagine the exploding heads.
Trump/Cruz 2016 - FUCK YOU, WAR!!
Posted by: Kreplach at March 16, 2016 09:44 AM (3/eDT)
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Pookysgirl - prayers sent!
Posted by: Cheri at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (oiNtH)
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My name is Trump, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye bloggy, and wonder WTF is up with that hair.
Look on my works, ye bloggy, and wonder WTF is up with that hair.
Posted by: DaveA at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (DL2i+)
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I do not believe Hilary's negatives are anywhere near their floor. The MSM has been ignoring her odious shit, Trump has the ability - however crass and rude - to put her shit in play.
That 5% goes away the day he starts gunning for her.
Personally, I distrust that negatives approach to handicapping races. Its all about turnout. Tell me how Hillary gets the AA vote out at Obama levels? Esp. with Trump screaming about how she is bringing in 30M Mexicans to take their jobs.
That 5% goes away the day he starts gunning for her.
Personally, I distrust that negatives approach to handicapping races. Its all about turnout. Tell me how Hillary gets the AA vote out at Obama levels? Esp. with Trump screaming about how she is bringing in 30M Mexicans to take their jobs.
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (f+zRv)
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185 The only chance Cruz and Trump have now is to team up on one ticket.
If they don't, GOP puts in their guy.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (zfvHs)
THIS. That's why I'm holding out hope that their Hymietown pow-wow last summer really meant something.
It will be difficult for both men, maybe more so for Trump, but here's a deal I think he can make and really profit from.
If they don't, GOP puts in their guy.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (zfvHs)
THIS. That's why I'm holding out hope that their Hymietown pow-wow last summer really meant something.
It will be difficult for both men, maybe more so for Trump, but here's a deal I think he can make and really profit from.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (p4UlV)
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If it hasn't been noted already-
BREAKING NEWS - Obama to nominate appeals court veteran Merrick Garland, 63, to replace Justice Antonin Scalia on Supreme Court
BREAKING NEWS - Obama to nominate appeals court veteran Merrick Garland, 63, to replace Justice Antonin Scalia on Supreme Court
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (mEZce)
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Not even close - until people are literally getting
the vapors and fainting at Trump rallies the Cult of Obama wins
hands-down as the creepiest poli-cult in US political history.
Posted by: DocJ at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (5Nr9V)
I don't think thats the question, imo. You're comparing specific manifestations of the cult mindset and not the DEGREE of cultish bond to the cult leader.Trumpsters are worse, imo because of the starting point. Conservatives started out being more informed and open to discussion. Leftists were ALWAYS gullible chumps. The Trump robots, by that metric, have fallen farther.
the vapors and fainting at Trump rallies the Cult of Obama wins
hands-down as the creepiest poli-cult in US political history.
Posted by: DocJ at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (5Nr9V)
I don't think thats the question, imo. You're comparing specific manifestations of the cult mindset and not the DEGREE of cultish bond to the cult leader.Trumpsters are worse, imo because of the starting point. Conservatives started out being more informed and open to discussion. Leftists were ALWAYS gullible chumps. The Trump robots, by that metric, have fallen farther.
Posted by: Mimzey at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (aRUb8)
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>>>The evidence hasn't shown up yet, but I kinda think Trumps appeal to African Americans could surprise us all. Just a hunch.
a hunch is obviously not evidence. there is no polling evidence that trump will play better with AAs.
people keep speculating that trump will play better with this crowd or that one -- and yet, the polls say he won't.
shouldn't actual evidence factor in here?
a hunch is obviously not evidence. there is no polling evidence that trump will play better with AAs.
people keep speculating that trump will play better with this crowd or that one -- and yet, the polls say he won't.
shouldn't actual evidence factor in here?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (dciA+)
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But what good does someone's animal grunting do for anyone?
So your not a Sharapova fan?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (DUoqb)
Ooh, with Maria the grunting is a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 16, 2016 09:44 AM (RD7QR)
I am happy you got that. I never got the impression Ace was a sports fan, so I figured he might miss that one
So your not a Sharapova fan?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (DUoqb)
Ooh, with Maria the grunting is a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 16, 2016 09:44 AM (RD7QR)
I am happy you got that. I never got the impression Ace was a sports fan, so I figured he might miss that one
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (DUoqb)
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I have a serious question for ace or anyone else that can shed some light on something that has been bugging me.
Has the quality/validity of polling risen this cycle to the point where they can be trusted to predict an accurate outcome? Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but my recollection was that a lot of our side was blindsided the day after the general election in 2008 in that we thought Romney had a chance. Has something changed?
Has the quality/validity of polling risen this cycle to the point where they can be trusted to predict an accurate outcome? Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but my recollection was that a lot of our side was blindsided the day after the general election in 2008 in that we thought Romney had a chance. Has something changed?
Posted by: Dead Parrot Society at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (AJeMv)
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Boob commentary still OK? And guns?
Posted by: Weasel at March 16, 2016 09:46 AM (6xtq3)
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Ban away ace. It's fun here because we're all on our toes, mostly. Keep it that way.
It's also not the end of the world if you get banned. Both times I've been smacked I was able to laugh at myself and how worked up I was getting over some internet things.
GET A GRIP PEOPLE
It's also not the end of the world if you get banned. Both times I've been smacked I was able to laugh at myself and how worked up I was getting over some internet things.
GET A GRIP PEOPLE
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 09:46 AM (xuouz)
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I also believe Trump will get blown out in the general, maybe more than 37 states. But my predictive abilities have been pretty poor.
That sad part of it is that the dem side has one of the most corrupt career criminal commies in the history of this nation. And I may have forgot a C word in there.
But 2 NY lefty politicians in the general does not bode well for the nation,
I also believe Trump will get blown out in the general, maybe more than 37 states. But my predictive abilities have been pretty poor.
That sad part of it is that the dem side has one of the most corrupt career criminal commies in the history of this nation. And I may have forgot a C word in there.
But 2 NY lefty politicians in the general does not bode well for the nation,
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 16, 2016 09:46 AM (ODxAs)
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My general observation is that the banning club gets used against the Trump people but not the Cruz people. The Cruz people appear to have free reign to ridicule the Trump people. I also observe that ace doesn't necessarily ban Trump people for actual personal insults. For instance a commenter will opine that ace's position is immature, or that it's the position of a sissy. They will attack his position very harshly and while they may be perceived personally, it isn't a personal attack against ace. There is a difference between calling a person an idiot and calling their arguments idiotic.
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 16, 2016 09:46 AM (t2wGq)
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GMan,
The door's right over there, by the Hot Air button. I'd just be thrilled silly if you took it.
The door's right over there, by the Hot Air button. I'd just be thrilled silly if you took it.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:46 AM (dciA+)
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Hey Ace,
Maybe as the next book for discussion we could read "All The King's Men," by Robert Penn Warren.
It's about a corrupt politician, and except for the whole "starting out as an idealist," it describes our future president, whoever that may be.
[Just kidding. I think it's overrated, and far too long]
Maybe as the next book for discussion we could read "All The King's Men," by Robert Penn Warren.
It's about a corrupt politician, and except for the whole "starting out as an idealist," it describes our future president, whoever that may be.
[Just kidding. I think it's overrated, and far too long]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 09:46 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at March 16, 2016 09:46 AM (X/2ij)
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Ace, I haven't been here for some time--but I love your blog, so wow--was that blast a shocker. Still, if I had a blog and someone was an a--, it would end badly for him or her, too. But, while I am a Trump supporter, I am also a Cruz supporter, Rubio, Kasich, or anyone one else who opposes Clinton. Nothing I can do as a Pennsylvanian without a primary any time soon, to change the way things are going, but I don't want to wound any candidate that may have a shot to keep HRC from the coronation she expects. ...I liked Jim Webb, too! ...yeah, I know he is a Dem, but a decent guy with conservative ideas and values. I hope HRC gets the nomination and then gets arrested.
Posted by: katydid at March 16, 2016 09:46 AM (i2Ro9)
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200 Blue Hen,
Quite, those fine better human beings than me never Trumpets decided they cannot in good conscience stop Hillary...
You know like the last eight years.
Quite, those fine better human beings than me never Trumpets decided they cannot in good conscience stop Hillary...
You know like the last eight years.
Posted by: Harlekwin at March 16, 2016 09:46 AM (ftdxp)
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212-wow, what's his game there? Because this guy is apparently pretty good.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:47 AM (7q2ch)
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Damn, ace. EST? Now that one dates you. Even took me a minute to dredge that referent up from the vaults of memory...
Good one, though.
And yes, I quite agree. Don't post much, as I'm usually behind the power curve around here anyway. But the vituperation, especially from the noob trolls we've been seeing around here of late, is really getting out of hand.
Good one, though.
And yes, I quite agree. Don't post much, as I'm usually behind the power curve around here anyway. But the vituperation, especially from the noob trolls we've been seeing around here of late, is really getting out of hand.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at March 16, 2016 09:47 AM (2Bjv9)
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I don't think the people counting on all these white Democrat voters/white new voters understand just how small a majority whites now have of the national voteshare.
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Unless I'm missing something the 2012 stats for all voters showed
White 72%
Black 13%
Hispanic 10%
Asian 3%
Other 2%
How much has that changed in 4 years?
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Unless I'm missing something the 2012 stats for all voters showed
White 72%
Black 13%
Hispanic 10%
Asian 3%
Other 2%
How much has that changed in 4 years?
Posted by: Azathoth at March 16, 2016 09:47 AM (kp4rz)
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at some point shouldn't this evidence itself in a poll showing trump at least within the margin of error with Hillary?
I don't think the people counting on all these white Democrat voters/white new voters understand just how small a majority whites now have of the national voteshare.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (dciA+)
Once he campaigns against Hillary, yes.
Polls are absolutely a great measure of how people would vote if the election were held today. If election day were April 15, Trump would indeed lose in a landslide.
However, polls don't reliably measure how people will feel in the future. That's why we never had President Dukakis or McCain. Two candidates campaigning against each other can move public opinion.
If Trump doesn't close the gap within a month or so of being declared the nominee, he'll lose. But I think after this election season especially we should understand that the future isn't set in stone.
I don't think the people counting on all these white Democrat voters/white new voters understand just how small a majority whites now have of the national voteshare.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:30 AM (dciA+)
Once he campaigns against Hillary, yes.
Polls are absolutely a great measure of how people would vote if the election were held today. If election day were April 15, Trump would indeed lose in a landslide.
However, polls don't reliably measure how people will feel in the future. That's why we never had President Dukakis or McCain. Two candidates campaigning against each other can move public opinion.
If Trump doesn't close the gap within a month or so of being declared the nominee, he'll lose. But I think after this election season especially we should understand that the future isn't set in stone.
Posted by: Jake (not officially a regular) at March 16, 2016 09:47 AM (TVcxg)
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I have a feeling I know what he'll do when he's desperate: start promising stuff from the Liberal Sack of Goody Bag Hand-Outs.
Respectfully Ace, I haven't heard much of that from him. He's a Capitalist and has voiced his intent to repeal NAFTA. What I hear is that he wants to restore the middle class. He's spoken well of the Tea Party, saying they got a raw deal and were mischaracterized.
If anything, he sounds as though he wants to undo a lot of the Global One-World Socialism that the elites all over the planet are busy shoving down our throats. That's why so many foreign leaders are voicing their concerns about him, much as they were advocating the election of TFP in '08.
What I'm getting at is, on that point, he sounds as though he wants people to have their own goodies from their own efforts, not giving them goodies with other people's money.
I truly hope I'm reading him right about that. And I don't hear any other candidates talking like that, either.
I have a feeling I know what he'll do when he's desperate: start promising stuff from the Liberal Sack of Goody Bag Hand-Outs.
Respectfully Ace, I haven't heard much of that from him. He's a Capitalist and has voiced his intent to repeal NAFTA. What I hear is that he wants to restore the middle class. He's spoken well of the Tea Party, saying they got a raw deal and were mischaracterized.
If anything, he sounds as though he wants to undo a lot of the Global One-World Socialism that the elites all over the planet are busy shoving down our throats. That's why so many foreign leaders are voicing their concerns about him, much as they were advocating the election of TFP in '08.
What I'm getting at is, on that point, he sounds as though he wants people to have their own goodies from their own efforts, not giving them goodies with other people's money.
I truly hope I'm reading him right about that. And I don't hear any other candidates talking like that, either.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 16, 2016 09:48 AM (LUgeY)
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BTW Gman,
On your way out, entertain this:
You are thin-skinned and think any dispute of your POSITION is a personal attack on you.
In other words, you're not emotionally equipped to have a politcal debate about things external to your self, because like the typical grievance monger, there is nothing external to the self.
Any dispute of an idea or especially a Personality you like is an attack on YOU, ergo, your insistence that people who disagree with you are demeaning you.
Like I said: Maybe it's time to unofficially part ways before we need an official parting of the ways.
On your way out, entertain this:
You are thin-skinned and think any dispute of your POSITION is a personal attack on you.
In other words, you're not emotionally equipped to have a politcal debate about things external to your self, because like the typical grievance monger, there is nothing external to the self.
Any dispute of an idea or especially a Personality you like is an attack on YOU, ergo, your insistence that people who disagree with you are demeaning you.
Like I said: Maybe it's time to unofficially part ways before we need an official parting of the ways.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:48 AM (dciA+)
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198 Status:
(_) not real
(X) shit getting real
Sure, I prefer Cruz. But he has warts. Do I really believe he'd abolish the IRS, or that is in the best interests of the country? Of course not. That's delusional.
Trump I'll accept as the fuck you candidate. I think, based on the increased voter turnout on the republican side, with a corresponding decrease on the democrat side, a lot of people don't care about party affiliation this time. They just want to say 'Fuck You' to the statist quo.
Hillary Clinton is the weakest candidate I can ever recall.
Posted by: mega machines at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (fbovC)
His warts are teeny tiny compared to the rest. And as far as his wanting to abolish the IRS, hey he's the only one even talking about it.
That said, Trump and Cruz have to put aside everything, look around and see what the Establishment has in store for them and end that right now.
Forget everything, lie back and think of the country.
(_) not real
(X) shit getting real
Sure, I prefer Cruz. But he has warts. Do I really believe he'd abolish the IRS, or that is in the best interests of the country? Of course not. That's delusional.
Trump I'll accept as the fuck you candidate. I think, based on the increased voter turnout on the republican side, with a corresponding decrease on the democrat side, a lot of people don't care about party affiliation this time. They just want to say 'Fuck You' to the statist quo.
Hillary Clinton is the weakest candidate I can ever recall.
Posted by: mega machines at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (fbovC)
His warts are teeny tiny compared to the rest. And as far as his wanting to abolish the IRS, hey he's the only one even talking about it.
That said, Trump and Cruz have to put aside everything, look around and see what the Establishment has in store for them and end that right now.
Forget everything, lie back and think of the country.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:48 AM (p4UlV)
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What exactly is Trump going to do to change opinions that people have had about him for a long time?
The same could be said about Hillary, too, especially as I don't think Bernie's Bros will trudge on over to vote for her. She's been on the national scene as long as Trump and has had just as much time to make enemies.
I think, too, you're discounting the effect of the next nine months, what with the VP choices yet to be made and with the two of them going mano a mano; if nothing else, Trump isn't going to be a "gentlemanly" loser like McCain or Romney.
But who knows? I was measuring the drapes for President Romney.
What exactly is Trump going to do to change opinions that people have had about him for a long time?
The same could be said about Hillary, too, especially as I don't think Bernie's Bros will trudge on over to vote for her. She's been on the national scene as long as Trump and has had just as much time to make enemies.
I think, too, you're discounting the effect of the next nine months, what with the VP choices yet to be made and with the two of them going mano a mano; if nothing else, Trump isn't going to be a "gentlemanly" loser like McCain or Romney.
But who knows? I was measuring the drapes for President Romney.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 16, 2016 09:48 AM (X6fMO)
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Trump is a pretty good campaigner. If he had Ted Cruz-level GOTV on the ground, he'd have the nomination locked up by now.
Posted by: mrp at March 16, 2016 09:48 AM (JBggj)
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What exactly is Trump going to do to change opinions that people have had about him for a long time?
I have a feeling I know what he'll do when he's desperate: start promising stuff from the Liberal Sack of Goody Bag Hand-Outs.
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This is my fear. He goes for the ratings.
I have a feeling I know what he'll do when he's desperate: start promising stuff from the Liberal Sack of Goody Bag Hand-Outs.
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This is my fear. He goes for the ratings.
Posted by: iforgot at March 16, 2016 09:48 AM (pC96u)
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Oh, wow - was still on the morning dump.
I am all for more civility, less personal insults.
There are enough people outside of this blog happy the troll us (all of us), so let's not do their work for them.
I am all for more civility, less personal insults.
There are enough people outside of this blog happy the troll us (all of us), so let's not do their work for them.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 16, 2016 09:48 AM (NOIQH)
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Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but my recollection was that a lot of our side was blindsided the day after the general election in 2008 in that we thought Romney had a chance.
As I recall, we were all saying don't believe the polls and grasping at any straw we could find. But the numbers were all there in plain sight. Romney never had a chance.
As I recall, we were all saying don't believe the polls and grasping at any straw we could find. But the numbers were all there in plain sight. Romney never had a chance.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (ODxAs)
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THIS. That's why I'm holding out hope that their Hymietown pow-wow last summer really meant something.
It will be difficult for both men, maybe more so for Trump, but here's a deal I think he can make and really profit from.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (p4UlV)
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I dont know about Trump, but Im completely baffled that people continually assume that Cruz would want thais. I think he would rather go back to the Senate than being someones vp. And especially when Trump is the top of the ticket.
It will be difficult for both men, maybe more so for Trump, but here's a deal I think he can make and really profit from.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (p4UlV)
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I dont know about Trump, but Im completely baffled that people continually assume that Cruz would want thais. I think he would rather go back to the Senate than being someones vp. And especially when Trump is the top of the ticket.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (P8unj)
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I've posted it before, but I just don't believe that the party "elders" are strong enough to take majority of delegates from both Trump and Cruz and give them to either an also-ran or someone who never got into the race.
Delegates are most likely going to reflect the party as a whole, and they're not suddenly going to jump onto the Rubio/Kasich/Ryan bandwagon after they are unbound delegates. The party establishment will have precious little bargaining power in that situation, and I think we've seen that they are pretty unable to convince anyone of anything.
If it goes to someone other than Trump or Cruz it'll be another outsider, but that's most likely not happening either.
Delegates are most likely going to reflect the party as a whole, and they're not suddenly going to jump onto the Rubio/Kasich/Ryan bandwagon after they are unbound delegates. The party establishment will have precious little bargaining power in that situation, and I think we've seen that they are pretty unable to convince anyone of anything.
If it goes to someone other than Trump or Cruz it'll be another outsider, but that's most likely not happening either.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (rJSDb)
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Haha, that would be funny; Trump & Sanders going third party.
Posted by: jim at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (VwhRo)
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joe trippi said in the last seven elections where
there was above-normal primary turn out, there was only above-normal
general election turn out in four of the cases -- that is, just barely
above 50% of the time.
Ergo, there is very little correlation between the one and the other.
Posted by: ace
I think that analysis is weak, high turnout on one side of the ledger might not move the general needle much - but it got Obama elected, twice. Trippi is going to have to breakdown that analysis.
there was above-normal primary turn out, there was only above-normal
general election turn out in four of the cases -- that is, just barely
above 50% of the time.
Ergo, there is very little correlation between the one and the other.
Posted by: ace
I think that analysis is weak, high turnout on one side of the ledger might not move the general needle much - but it got Obama elected, twice. Trippi is going to have to breakdown that analysis.
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (f+zRv)
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See, I never looked at AOS as an establishment I've been invited into.
I see this place as a bar on one of the busy main streets of the internet, and while walking along many years ago, I heard loud good music and a lot of laughing. And as I approached the door, one poor SOB gets tossed to the curb. As I open the door, someone staggers past with a bloody lip.
This ought to be good, I think to myself as I adjust my junk.
Enough analogy. I wasn't invited in, I was LURED in.
But, I can be invited to leave, or tossed on my ass to the curb, and if it happens to you here, you probably really fucking deserved it.
This political season is wrecking the right side of the aisle, I've never seen anything like it, and the leftists must be fapping with joy that they might win with such shit candidates.
I see this place as a bar on one of the busy main streets of the internet, and while walking along many years ago, I heard loud good music and a lot of laughing. And as I approached the door, one poor SOB gets tossed to the curb. As I open the door, someone staggers past with a bloody lip.
This ought to be good, I think to myself as I adjust my junk.
Enough analogy. I wasn't invited in, I was LURED in.
But, I can be invited to leave, or tossed on my ass to the curb, and if it happens to you here, you probably really fucking deserved it.
This political season is wrecking the right side of the aisle, I've never seen anything like it, and the leftists must be fapping with joy that they might win with such shit candidates.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (kKHcp)
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We're rooting for Rubio.
Posted by: Disney's Hall of Presidents at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (XtAzU)
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What did I post that was a personal attack?
Posted by: GMan at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (sxq57)
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Whoops. Romney was 2012.
Posted by: Dead Parrot Society at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (AJeMv)
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Ace its your Blog baby. Free enterprise ban who you want, it is one of the great things about being self employed. When I worked for a company, I had a client that my superiors just refused to work with. Just flat out NO, he would call in asking for us to do a pickup, and every single person on the phone bank was ordered to tell this guy, sorry we do not do business with you. He was a complete dick and wanted all the credit but wanted to do none of the work.
Posted by: Picric at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (ytKaq)
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The only thing that might cause me to vote for Trump is if he picks Cruz for vice president and says he will only serve one term. That would serve his vanity, take into account his age, and Cruz could make actual policy behind the scenes and then get 8 years of his own.
I'm not giving up yet though. I keep hoping that some oppo research will get leaked that will be so devastating that Trump will be done for. I know it is out there being kept secret for the general but maybe the scoop will be so good that someone will jumpt he gun.
I'm not giving up yet though. I keep hoping that some oppo research will get leaked that will be so devastating that Trump will be done for. I know it is out there being kept secret for the general but maybe the scoop will be so good that someone will jumpt he gun.
Posted by: sharon at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (QzF6i)
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Manipulating the convention to award a "suitable" candidate - Boehner endorsed Paul Ryan - would be the final nail in the GOPs coffin.
When folks asked me how I thought Trump would destroy the GOPe, the answer was, he wouldn't--it would destroy itself through the equivalent of anaphylaxis. It's seeming more and more likely I called it right.
I really, really need to stop being right about these things.
When folks asked me how I thought Trump would destroy the GOPe, the answer was, he wouldn't--it would destroy itself through the equivalent of anaphylaxis. It's seeming more and more likely I called it right.
I really, really need to stop being right about these things.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (9krrF)
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Longbows are a far superior weapon.
Posted by: smileynh at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (rgj9x)
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MPPPP
I just think that the left is sitting on an absolute treasure trove of shit about Trump.
Now I know that Trump has been completely teflon in the R primaries and every attack seemingly only makes him stronger.
Its going to be a whole new animal in the general. The Dems aren't motivated for their candidate, so how do you get them to the polls? Well Trump has got a quote available for I would think just about every aggrieved group that the Dems can't wait to use on him. This is not going to be an election over who is best to lead the country its going to be framed as an election about who you don't want running the country.
The Democrats have those types of voters in pardon the pun Spades. We can wish-cast all we want to about how minorities are going to flock to Trump but when it comes down to it its just wish-casting.
Trump won't spend his own money in the general and I don't blame him for that at all, but now there goes the whole "not beholden to anyone" argument.
Does anyone here really think that his positions held in the primaries aren't going to significantly modify in the general?
The general election is going to be our side of the aisle having to constantly move the goalposts to accept what Trump will become:
The Art of the Deal is getting the deal that you want...Trump wants the Presidency, what do we really think we're going to get out of it?
When all is said and done I may well be forced to pull the lever for him, but it won't be out of any idea that he's good for the country...
He's going to get crushed because of the person that he has always been not who many across the country have projected him to be.
I just think that the left is sitting on an absolute treasure trove of shit about Trump.
Now I know that Trump has been completely teflon in the R primaries and every attack seemingly only makes him stronger.
Its going to be a whole new animal in the general. The Dems aren't motivated for their candidate, so how do you get them to the polls? Well Trump has got a quote available for I would think just about every aggrieved group that the Dems can't wait to use on him. This is not going to be an election over who is best to lead the country its going to be framed as an election about who you don't want running the country.
The Democrats have those types of voters in pardon the pun Spades. We can wish-cast all we want to about how minorities are going to flock to Trump but when it comes down to it its just wish-casting.
Trump won't spend his own money in the general and I don't blame him for that at all, but now there goes the whole "not beholden to anyone" argument.
Does anyone here really think that his positions held in the primaries aren't going to significantly modify in the general?
The general election is going to be our side of the aisle having to constantly move the goalposts to accept what Trump will become:
The Art of the Deal is getting the deal that you want...Trump wants the Presidency, what do we really think we're going to get out of it?
When all is said and done I may well be forced to pull the lever for him, but it won't be out of any idea that he's good for the country...
He's going to get crushed because of the person that he has always been not who many across the country have projected him to be.
Posted by: H Badger at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (n/0Nw)
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I ask this in an earlier thread. Has anyone looked at the total number of votes in each camp R versus D in the primaries? they are way up on the R side.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (jsWA
I looked at that last night. Proportionally, NC was split with about the same percentage in yesterday's primary as 2012's GE as well as 2012's primary. Turnout was about 10% greater than in 2012's primary - for both sides.
2012 Primary 966K Dems - 973K Rep
2012 GE 2.27 Mil Romney - 2.17 Mil Obama
2016 Primary 1.12 Mil Dems - 1.13 Mil Reps
Any great turn-out bump from Trump was equaled by the Sander-nistas.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 16, 2016 09:36 AM (jsWA
I looked at that last night. Proportionally, NC was split with about the same percentage in yesterday's primary as 2012's GE as well as 2012's primary. Turnout was about 10% greater than in 2012's primary - for both sides.
2012 Primary 966K Dems - 973K Rep
2012 GE 2.27 Mil Romney - 2.17 Mil Obama
2016 Primary 1.12 Mil Dems - 1.13 Mil Reps
Any great turn-out bump from Trump was equaled by the Sander-nistas.
Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (jIgQw)
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the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely
destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
If the troops aren't following the officers aren't leading.
the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely
destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over.
If the troops aren't following the officers aren't leading.
Posted by: DaveA at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (DL2i+)
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I hope I am not an asshole.
Still, there is something to be said for a banning on the front page where everyone can see you in your moment of glory, rather than quietly at night, alone.
Still, there is something to be said for a banning on the front page where everyone can see you in your moment of glory, rather than quietly at night, alone.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (TnUKj)
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What exactly is Trump going to do to change opinions that people have had about him for a long time?
He will calm down a bit. Try to control that pathway between his brain and his mouth. AND most important have the RINO Establishment STFU and get 100% behind him or else
He will calm down a bit. Try to control that pathway between his brain and his mouth. AND most important have the RINO Establishment STFU and get 100% behind him or else
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (DUoqb)
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As far as Pennsylvania, I've only seen one poll, about a month ago. Seemed to indicate a four way tie.
Obviously, with Rubio now gone, things will be different. Any link to a fresh poll?
Obviously, with Rubio now gone, things will be different. Any link to a fresh poll?
Posted by: mega machines at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (fbovC)
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Trump is bailing out of Monday's debate.
Posted by: Valiant at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (2bqlb)
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>>>Trumpsters are worse, imo because of the starting point. Conservatives started out being more informed and open to discussion. Leftists were ALWAYS gullible chumps. The Trump robots, by that metric, have fallen farther.
please watch this, this gets into what is actually a personal attack on other commenters.
clean it up.
please watch this, this gets into what is actually a personal attack on other commenters.
clean it up.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (dciA+)
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You have the patience of a saint, Ace. You put up with stuff that would have me questioning my commitment to open discourse.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (q2o38)
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First female president. Another historic election. The GOP had a good run.
Posted by: Zeno at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (VrQW9)
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Seriously asking? Did I just break a rule? I was being respectful, I wasn't making a personal attack, I was agreeing with atc, and adding a viewpoint to it..
Posted by: GMan at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (sxq57)
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Yub nub, indeed.
Posted by: wooga at March 16, 2016 09:51 AM (yGC9m)
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So who's in for forming a new island nation after Shrillary is elected.
I'm not picky about names but Jennystan does have a nice ring to it. As does Jenntopia. I'm just saying.
I'm not picky about names but Jennystan does have a nice ring to it. As does Jenntopia. I'm just saying.
Posted by: Jenny Dares To Dream at March 16, 2016 09:51 AM (eJjmS)
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people keep speculating that trump will play better with this crowd or that one -- and yet, the polls say he won't.
shouldn't actual evidence factor in here?
Didn't the polls say Romney was going to beat Obama?
shouldn't actual evidence factor in here?
Didn't the polls say Romney was going to beat Obama?
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Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:47 AM (7q2ch)
As a swing vote, as long as he is left of center, the progressive agenda will win.
How far left doesn't matter.
As a swing vote, as long as he is left of center, the progressive agenda will win.
How far left doesn't matter.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 09:51 AM (Zu3d9)
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226 212-wow, what's his game there? Because this guy is apparently pretty good.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:47 AM (7q2ch)
I'd assume nominate a consensus candidate and make the GOP either backtrack on their word or be shown as the no compromise party.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:47 AM (7q2ch)
I'd assume nominate a consensus candidate and make the GOP either backtrack on their word or be shown as the no compromise party.
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 09:51 AM (mEZce)
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If the troops aren't following the officers aren't leading.
Posted by: DaveA at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (DL2i+)
I like tha analogy
Posted by: DaveA at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM (DL2i+)
I like tha analogy
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:51 AM (DUoqb)
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Good morning Ace. Love your anti-asshole rants! They are the highlight of this miserable political season.
Posted by: dabhidh at March 16, 2016 09:51 AM (O6j2k)
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I agree, why would Cruz want to be VP. But, I could see him accepting a SCOTUS seat. And, the Senate being happy to get his annoying ass out of their hair.
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (f+zRv)
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238 I dont know about Trump, but Im completely baffled that people continually assume that Cruz would want thais. I think he would rather go back to the Senate than being someones vp. And especially when Trump is the top of the ticket.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (P8unj)
A heartbeat away, Warcock 2 and if all goes well for 8 years, a real shot at the Oval Office.
Of course, if there is a GOP, they will primary him in 2024 with the usual gang of asshole sell-out frauds.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 16, 2016 09:49 AM (P8unj)
A heartbeat away, Warcock 2 and if all goes well for 8 years, a real shot at the Oval Office.
Of course, if there is a GOP, they will primary him in 2024 with the usual gang of asshole sell-out frauds.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (p4UlV)
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I'm really bothered by this post. Ace forgot to give a trigger warning!!!!
Does anyone know where there is a space safe near here? Maybe with some PlayDoh in it or something?
Does anyone know where there is a space safe near here? Maybe with some PlayDoh in it or something?
Posted by: Guy Who Thinks Things are Worse than Hitler at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (GOGi1)
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>>> 183 I am always amazed at idiots who site head to head polls 7 months out. They have been wrong every single fucking presidential election for 50 years. Morons! >>>
Of the 12 elections included in that "last 50 years". The polling leader in March has won the presidency 10 of the last 12 times. Only two times that didn't hold true were due to massive third parties (1980 Carter led Reagan before Anderson hopped in, 1992 GHWB led Clinton when Perot was at max support levels).
"Site" better data, thanks.
Of the 12 elections included in that "last 50 years". The polling leader in March has won the presidency 10 of the last 12 times. Only two times that didn't hold true were due to massive third parties (1980 Carter led Reagan before Anderson hopped in, 1992 GHWB led Clinton when Perot was at max support levels).
"Site" better data, thanks.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (KUegI)
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Ace. You have an awesome webpage. Thank you. I've noticed the comment sections everywhere have gone total batshit crazy. I think it's a microcosm of the republican party and probably the nation
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (egzLR)
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I'm totally confused about why Trump would start up with Megyn Kelly again.
Seems totally pointless.
Any theories?
Seems totally pointless.
Any theories?
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (DofIg)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 16, 2016 09:53 AM (XkVXQ)
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CLEANUP AISLE 271
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at March 16, 2016 09:53 AM (/33sy)
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268 I agree, why would Cruz want to be VP. But, I could see him accepting a SCOTUS seat. And, the Senate being happy to get his annoying ass out of their hair.
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (f+zRv)
For the last time, Cruz will never survive the committee process let alone a full vote from the senate. A zombie Scalia and Bork have a better shot at it than a live Cruz, FFS!
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (f+zRv)
For the last time, Cruz will never survive the committee process let alone a full vote from the senate. A zombie Scalia and Bork have a better shot at it than a live Cruz, FFS!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:53 AM (p4UlV)
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>>>>If, however, we're looking at something like 42% Trump and 40% Cruz and Cruz gets the nod, I wonder if that damage would be nearly as much?
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This may be when the party bosses decide to stop being stupid and do something rational in this campaign.
I saw exit polling that said that between 70-75% of Trump voters in yesterday's primaries would vote for Cruz if he were the nominee. If you also consider that Trump is pulling votes from people who have never voted before along with votes from Democrats who may or may not stick with him in the general, then the amount of blowback from selecting Cruz over Trump can probably be mitigated and perhaps even offset by bringing the declared NeverTrump people back in the field.
This of course presumes that the Party would actually get behind Cruz in the fall. I am very skeptical about this.
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This may be when the party bosses decide to stop being stupid and do something rational in this campaign.
I saw exit polling that said that between 70-75% of Trump voters in yesterday's primaries would vote for Cruz if he were the nominee. If you also consider that Trump is pulling votes from people who have never voted before along with votes from Democrats who may or may not stick with him in the general, then the amount of blowback from selecting Cruz over Trump can probably be mitigated and perhaps even offset by bringing the declared NeverTrump people back in the field.
This of course presumes that the Party would actually get behind Cruz in the fall. I am very skeptical about this.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 16, 2016 09:53 AM (JxMoP)
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274 free advertising?
Posted by: Weasel at March 16, 2016 09:53 AM (6xtq3)
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Embrace the healing power of typing and deleting!
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (mf5HN)
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Heh, the world has been deprived of many a pithy, emotional rant of mine due to that healing power.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 16, 2016 09:35 AM (mf5HN)
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Heh, the world has been deprived of many a pithy, emotional rant of mine due to that healing power.
Posted by: iforgot at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (pC96u)
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Ace of spades, hahaha, more like the deuce of clubs. All the talk about thin skin is rich.
Nah, ace takes a metric fuckton of crap. It makes sense for him to get upset. He's actually got some extremely thick skin.
Nah, ace takes a metric fuckton of crap. It makes sense for him to get upset. He's actually got some extremely thick skin.
Posted by: GMan at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (sxq57)
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GMan,
Crap like this:
"ell, there's still a lot of the "you're an idiot and a child and don't know what you're doing" on this blog, but whatever. Ace's house, Ace's rules"
I don't feel like walking on eggshells around a grievance monger who's going to take every dispute as a personal slight.
I disagree with you. If you can't handle that, emotionally, and that becomes "you're an idiot and a child and you don't know what you're doing" in your mind, you should go.
We don't have to coddle people just because they think that disputations of their beliefs are personal assaults on them.
Crap like this:
"ell, there's still a lot of the "you're an idiot and a child and don't know what you're doing" on this blog, but whatever. Ace's house, Ace's rules"
I don't feel like walking on eggshells around a grievance monger who's going to take every dispute as a personal slight.
I disagree with you. If you can't handle that, emotionally, and that becomes "you're an idiot and a child and you don't know what you're doing" in your mind, you should go.
We don't have to coddle people just because they think that disputations of their beliefs are personal assaults on them.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (dciA+)
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274 I'm totally confused about why Trump would start up with Megyn Kelly again.
Seems totally pointless.
Any theories?
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (DofIg)
***
Ramps up the sexual tension.....
Seems totally pointless.
Any theories?
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (DofIg)
***
Ramps up the sexual tension.....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (/33sy)
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273 Ace. You have an awesome webpage. Thank you. I've noticed the comment sections everywhere have gone total batshit crazy. I think it's a microcosm of the republican party and probably the nation
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (egzLR)
It's why I now rarely if ever go to Breitbart. The comment section is a sewer. Poor Andrew, what they did to your website.
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (egzLR)
It's why I now rarely if ever go to Breitbart. The comment section is a sewer. Poor Andrew, what they did to your website.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (p4UlV)
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Look, count me in the group who think that general election polling before Labor Day is crap.
That said, isn't Trump's name ID something well north of like 99%? I mean, how many minds is he going to change?
His only hope is to tear-down The Witch and we all know the propaganda wing of the DNC, aka the MSM, is going to be providing Her with constant air-cover from now through her coronation.
That said, isn't Trump's name ID something well north of like 99%? I mean, how many minds is he going to change?
His only hope is to tear-down The Witch and we all know the propaganda wing of the DNC, aka the MSM, is going to be providing Her with constant air-cover from now through her coronation.
Posted by: DocJ at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (5Nr9V)
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Thanks Golfman
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (jsWA8)
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>>THIS. That's why I'm holding out hope that their Hymietown pow-wow last summer really meant something.
Heh. Yeah, that would be awesome.
Trump, if he gets there, knows that he would need to surround himself w/people who know their way around DC. These picks would be critical. For example, Schwarzenegger hired freakin' Gray Davis' former chief of staff and we know how that went.
Heh. Yeah, that would be awesome.
Trump, if he gets there, knows that he would need to surround himself w/people who know their way around DC. These picks would be critical. For example, Schwarzenegger hired freakin' Gray Davis' former chief of staff and we know how that went.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (NOIQH)
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>>But what good does someone's animal grunting do for anyone?
Tremendous good, when it's intended as encouragement and appreciation.
Tremendous good, when it's intended as encouragement and appreciation.
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (Bdeb0)
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Unless I'm missing something the 2012 stats for all voters showed
White 72%
Black 13%
Hispanic 10%
Asian 3%
Other 2%
How much has that changed in 4 years?
Posted by: Azathoth
And those are with the Obama bump.
White 72%
Black 13%
Hispanic 10%
Asian 3%
Other 2%
How much has that changed in 4 years?
Posted by: Azathoth
And those are with the Obama bump.
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (f+zRv)
Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (sqs5K)
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252 Dave A,
We'll put, you know Barky is nominating a moderate b/c the GOP said "no" imagine if they'd said two other times since 2010....
We'll put, you know Barky is nominating a moderate b/c the GOP said "no" imagine if they'd said two other times since 2010....
Posted by: Harlekwin at March 16, 2016 09:55 AM (ftdxp)
Posted by: iforgot at March 16, 2016 09:55 AM (pC96u)
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I would love to see HRC get the nomination and then be indicted on charges and have to drop out. The rage fueled histrionics of this odious woman would be karma in full bloom.
Posted by: Cheri at March 16, 2016 09:55 AM (oiNtH)
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Donald Trump is a fucking asshole.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (U6f54)
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Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but my recollection was that a lot of our
side was blindsided the day after the general election in 2008 in that
we thought Romney had a chance.
Yeah, your memory is fuzzy, because McCain ran in 2008, Romney in 2012.
side was blindsided the day after the general election in 2008 in that
we thought Romney had a chance.
Yeah, your memory is fuzzy, because McCain ran in 2008, Romney in 2012.
Posted by: Hadoop at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (2X7pN)
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@274
Why not? He's the teflon Donald.
You'd think as the frontrunner he'd be picking fights with the Democrat candidate.
Why not? He's the teflon Donald.
You'd think as the frontrunner he'd be picking fights with the Democrat candidate.
Posted by: H Badger at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (9krrF)
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I would do Megan Kelly.......wait....what was the question?
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (egzLR)
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You know ace, just an idea here, but rather than banning people you might consider employing an upvote system like reddit does. If a comment gains the requisite downvotes it doesn't actually get deleted but does hide unless you're really hunting for it.
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (t2wGq)
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293 I would love to see HRC get the nomination and then be indicted on charges and have to drop out. The rage fueled histrionics of this odious woman would be karma in full bloom.
Posted by: Cheri at March 16, 2016 09:55 AM (oiNtH)
Would that result in a bigger Democrat turnout in sympathy for the replacement?
Posted by: Cheri at March 16, 2016 09:55 AM (oiNtH)
Would that result in a bigger Democrat turnout in sympathy for the replacement?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (p4UlV)
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Prayers up, pookysgirl. We'll still be here arguing longbows vs crossbows when you wake up.
So there's that.
Prayers up, pookysgirl. We'll still be here arguing longbows vs crossbows when you wake up.
So there's that.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (LUgeY)
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I'd assume nominate a consensus candidate and make the GOP either backtrack on their word or be shown as the no compromise party.
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 09:51 AM (mEZce)
Ahhhhhh. That plus a dossier on his closet skeletons, and that would indeed be a winner.
Once, just once, I would like this administration to do something for the actual good of the entire country.
Also, I heard the hildebeast screeching last night about making every American safer, both in the US and overseas. All I could think about was Christ Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. You didn't keep them safe, Hills. Just sayin.
I'd assume nominate a consensus candidate and make the GOP either backtrack on their word or be shown as the no compromise party.
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 09:51 AM (mEZce)
Ahhhhhh. That plus a dossier on his closet skeletons, and that would indeed be a winner.
Once, just once, I would like this administration to do something for the actual good of the entire country.
Also, I heard the hildebeast screeching last night about making every American safer, both in the US and overseas. All I could think about was Christ Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. You didn't keep them safe, Hills. Just sayin.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (7q2ch)
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296 There's going to be a Monday?
Posted by: Weasel at March 16, 2016 09:57 AM (6xtq3)
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274 I'm totally confused about why Trump would start up with Megyn Kelly again.
Seems totally pointless.
Any theories?
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Ever seen a spoiled 11 year old boy around a girl he thinks is cute?
Seems totally pointless.
Any theories?
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Ever seen a spoiled 11 year old boy around a girl he thinks is cute?
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 16, 2016 09:57 AM (eJjmS)
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I'm a long time lurker and mostly post on the gun thread but I have to say it has been getting crazy in here lately. I get it that people are frustrated and care about the issues, but can't we just post our views without personally attacking someone who disagrees?
The people here who are long term participants on this blog are pretty good about that (refraining from lame personal attacks). It's one of the many things I really like about this place.
The people here who are long term participants on this blog are pretty good about that (refraining from lame personal attacks). It's one of the many things I really like about this place.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at March 16, 2016 09:57 AM (cCxiu)
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292 I would love to see HRC get the nomination and then be indicted on charges and have to drop out. The rage fueled histrionics of this odious woman would be karma in full bloom.
Posted by: Cheri at March 16, 2016 09:55 AM (oiNtH)
She wouldn't drop out.
She'd claim it was just a more formal investigation.
AND her minions would agree.
I wish I were joking.
Posted by: Cheri at March 16, 2016 09:55 AM (oiNtH)
She wouldn't drop out.
She'd claim it was just a more formal investigation.
AND her minions would agree.
I wish I were joking.
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 16, 2016 09:57 AM (DofIg)
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I would love to see HRC get the nomination and then be indicted on charges and have to drop out.
My money's on "massive stroke". It's a long shot, to be sure.
My money's on "massive stroke". It's a long shot, to be sure.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 09:57 AM (9krrF)
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>>Unless I'm missing something the 2012 stats for all voters showed
White 72%
Black 13%
Hispanic 10%
Asian 3%
Other 2%
Dumb question--how do we know the racial demographics of voters? Or are these figures demography of U.S. public? I'm assuming the latter...
White 72%
Black 13%
Hispanic 10%
Asian 3%
Other 2%
Dumb question--how do we know the racial demographics of voters? Or are these figures demography of U.S. public? I'm assuming the latter...
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 09:57 AM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at March 16, 2016 09:57 AM (jIgQw)
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the only thing that could have saved this election (especially with Trump as the candidate) is a recession, and it's now too late to have a recession officially called before the election.
with our luck, we'll get it months into Hillary's term, then it will recover a bit, and then, like Obama in 2012, she'll get credit for it being slightly less sucky than it had been two years ago and she'll win a second horrible term.
with our luck, we'll get it months into Hillary's term, then it will recover a bit, and then, like Obama in 2012, she'll get credit for it being slightly less sucky than it had been two years ago and she'll win a second horrible term.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:58 AM (dciA+)
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I've posted it before, but I just don't believe that the party "elders" are strong enough to take majority of delegates from both Trump and Cruz and give them to either an also-ran or someone who never got into the race.
Really?
They screwed over the winner of the AK Senate primary.
They screwed over the winner of the DE Seante primary, ad he wasn't even the incumbent.
They actively worked against the primary challenger in KS when the incumbent couldn't be bothered to be a resident.
They have been having meetings about exactly this.
They have been floating position statement from the former Speaker and the 2012 candidate AND they reminded everyone that double secret probation is still there; it just is no longer secret.
The Senate Majority leader is whining about an apology. Can you imagine the dems doing ANY of this?
Really?
They screwed over the winner of the AK Senate primary.
They screwed over the winner of the DE Seante primary, ad he wasn't even the incumbent.
They actively worked against the primary challenger in KS when the incumbent couldn't be bothered to be a resident.
They have been having meetings about exactly this.
They have been floating position statement from the former Speaker and the 2012 candidate AND they reminded everyone that double secret probation is still there; it just is no longer secret.
The Senate Majority leader is whining about an apology. Can you imagine the dems doing ANY of this?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 09:58 AM (326rv)
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I suspect that anyone who suggests any action for an indictment of HRC winds up being laterally transferred to DHS and then is fired within 2 months as a "bad fit".
Posted by: Kindltot at March 16, 2016 09:59 AM (q2o38)
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pookysgirl best wishes! best of luck
Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at March 16, 2016 09:59 AM (MkZ6B)
Posted by: RNC at March 16, 2016 09:59 AM (rwI+c)
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But a LOT of Trump's supporters just have this mode that "I win if I insult someone."
It's been working for Donald. Making some people millions in between spats probably helps.
It's been working for Donald. Making some people millions in between spats probably helps.
Posted by: DaveA at March 16, 2016 09:59 AM (DL2i+)
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>>Also, I heard the hildebeast screeching last night about making every
American safer, both in the US and overseas. All I could think about
was Christ Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. You
didn't keep them safe, Hills. Just sayin.
Chris who?
American safer, both in the US and overseas. All I could think about
was Christ Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. You
didn't keep them safe, Hills. Just sayin.
Chris who?
Posted by: Hillary! at March 16, 2016 09:59 AM (NOIQH)
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I will repeat what I said on an earlier thread:
A couple months ago there were some polls showing Trump beating Hillary
and Cruz losing. But those are old, you say? True, but the polls you're
looking at will be old soon too.
A couple months ago there were some polls showing Trump beating Hillary
and Cruz losing. But those are old, you say? True, but the polls you're
looking at will be old soon too.
Posted by: schizoid at March 16, 2016 09:59 AM (lC4lt)
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With our luck, we'll get to see the cognitive dissonance and intellectual deal-making that comes with Hillary blaming her economic failures on "the previous administration."
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 09:59 AM (Bdeb0)
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Trump or Hilary, which one gets us closer to burning the MFer down? Whichever it is I am for it. This shit doesn't get fixed. We are past the point of no return. We were past it 30 years ago after they took over education.
Better get back to work on my shelter.
Better get back to work on my shelter.
Posted by: elfletcho at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (wBMLK)
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I'm a "Real American Man," but I could be nicer about it I guess. OK.
Posted by: gp at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (+Jpqc)
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Garland is and asshat and is responsible for all those Uighurs who were arrested in a Taliban terrorist camp in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (iQIUe)
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Donald Trump is a fucking asshole.Posted by: the littl shyning man
See - this is the kind of stuff that needs to be gone. Every day the same trite comment.
See - this is the kind of stuff that needs to be gone. Every day the same trite comment.
Posted by: mega machines at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (fbovC)
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I do find it funny/odd/fascinating that the GOPe, after fighting Trump with first Jeb! and then Rubio! is finally, ultimately, begrudgingly backing Cruz!.
Too late. Most of rest of the primaries are winner-take-all. By June 8, when the big Kahuna, California weighs-in, I predict Trump will have the delegates to win the nomination on the first vote.
Ah, the grinding and gnashing of teeth.
I voted for Cruz. But you know who would be much, much worse as President than Trump.
Hillary.
Too late. Most of rest of the primaries are winner-take-all. By June 8, when the big Kahuna, California weighs-in, I predict Trump will have the delegates to win the nomination on the first vote.
Ah, the grinding and gnashing of teeth.
I voted for Cruz. But you know who would be much, much worse as President than Trump.
Hillary.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (1ijHg)
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Posted by: Kenja Time at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (t2wGq)
One of the nice things about the comments here is the stream of consciousness format. And....Ace would have to spend money to modify the software so that people who are behaving like douchebags have a safe space in which to calm down?
Banning is quicker and cheaper and oh, so much more satisfying......
One of the nice things about the comments here is the stream of consciousness format. And....Ace would have to spend money to modify the software so that people who are behaving like douchebags have a safe space in which to calm down?
Banning is quicker and cheaper and oh, so much more satisfying......
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (Zu3d9)
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He may be an asshole, but he's OUR asshole.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (jsWA8)
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>>the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over<<
Yep. But that pretty much happened for me after Romney lost. I don't think that there is any fix for our problems. If Reagan rose from the grave and took the nomination by acclaimation at the convention it wouldn't help.
Only thing interesting to note is that there was about 800,000 more republican primary voters than in 2012. They were not democratic cross overs either since the dems came in at about 100k less than 2008.If these are"new" voters who normally sit out the elections, could be a tidal wave. Or could be people motivated to stop trump voted in primary. I tend to doubt that since Kasich was never in doubt to win Ohio.
Thenitremains to be seen whether Trump isfull of BS or willbe capable of doing anything he said he would.
Pennsylvannia bears watching if thereis a large turnout of republicans for the primary. I don't want to give Ace any hope, but it something that bears watching.
>>the gop and the entire right-leaning opposition are now completely destroyed. there is no opposition to the Democrats now; it's all over<<
Yep. But that pretty much happened for me after Romney lost. I don't think that there is any fix for our problems. If Reagan rose from the grave and took the nomination by acclaimation at the convention it wouldn't help.
Only thing interesting to note is that there was about 800,000 more republican primary voters than in 2012. They were not democratic cross overs either since the dems came in at about 100k less than 2008.If these are"new" voters who normally sit out the elections, could be a tidal wave. Or could be people motivated to stop trump voted in primary. I tend to doubt that since Kasich was never in doubt to win Ohio.
Thenitremains to be seen whether Trump isfull of BS or willbe capable of doing anything he said he would.
Pennsylvannia bears watching if thereis a large turnout of republicans for the primary. I don't want to give Ace any hope, but it something that bears watching.
Posted by: simplemind at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (JTwsP)
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>>But a LOT of Trump's supporters just have this mode that "I win if I insult someone."
I have that mode. I also have a "safe" and "full" mode.
I have that mode. I also have a "safe" and "full" mode.
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (Bdeb0)
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A heartbeat away, Warcock 2 and if all goes well for 8 years, a real shot at the Oval Office.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (p4UlV)
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The veep is at most an adviser-in-chief, except for his rarely relevant role in the senate, he depends on the president for every bit of authority. I dont think Cruz, whose brand is principled conservatism, wants to get into such a situation with an opportunist like Trump.
I dont think that Trump will be elected. I think it would be a miracle if he were reelected. Point is: if Cruz wants to run for the presidency again, he should stay as far away from Trump as he can.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:52 AM (p4UlV)
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The veep is at most an adviser-in-chief, except for his rarely relevant role in the senate, he depends on the president for every bit of authority. I dont think Cruz, whose brand is principled conservatism, wants to get into such a situation with an opportunist like Trump.
I dont think that Trump will be elected. I think it would be a miracle if he were reelected. Point is: if Cruz wants to run for the presidency again, he should stay as far away from Trump as he can.
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Posted by: H Badger at March 16, 2016 09:50 AM
Eh, I'm still unconvinced, if only that it seems that normal political rules don't seem to apply to Trump. Yes, I'm sure the DNC has a metric ton of oppo research on Trump, but I also would think the GOPe has much of the same stuff and I don't think they're all that shy about using it.
If anything, attempts to denigrate Trump the person or other dirty tricks seem to backfire. And in terms of policy, I just don't see the Dems coming out on top in a Trump v Clinton contest.
Eh, I'm still unconvinced, if only that it seems that normal political rules don't seem to apply to Trump. Yes, I'm sure the DNC has a metric ton of oppo research on Trump, but I also would think the GOPe has much of the same stuff and I don't think they're all that shy about using it.
If anything, attempts to denigrate Trump the person or other dirty tricks seem to backfire. And in terms of policy, I just don't see the Dems coming out on top in a Trump v Clinton contest.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (PFy0L)
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296 Cavil,
And Trump has to humor RubioNewz why?
It Fox were honest it'd be a 2 man lincoln Douglas Debate between Cruz and duh Donald and Cruz would destroy him...but why h7mor old tradition?
And Trump has to humor RubioNewz why?
It Fox were honest it'd be a 2 man lincoln Douglas Debate between Cruz and duh Donald and Cruz would destroy him...but why h7mor old tradition?
Posted by: Harlekwin at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (ftdxp)
Posted by: zzBottom at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (SAV4V)
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His only hope is to tear-down The Witch and we all
know the propaganda wing of the DNC, aka the MSM, is going to be
providing Her with constant air-cover from now through her coronation.
Posted by: DocJ
The problem is that - that is ANY 'Pub's only chance; and Trump seems to be the only option capable of defining his own narrative. I voted for Cruz and he's gotta hope for either an indictment or better yet a leaked, squashed indictment.
know the propaganda wing of the DNC, aka the MSM, is going to be
providing Her with constant air-cover from now through her coronation.
Posted by: DocJ
The problem is that - that is ANY 'Pub's only chance; and Trump seems to be the only option capable of defining his own narrative. I voted for Cruz and he's gotta hope for either an indictment or better yet a leaked, squashed indictment.
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (f+zRv)
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Yep. But that pretty much happened for me after Romney lost. I don't think that there is any fix for our problems.
yeah romney might have been the last chance.
that was a tough one.
Yep. But that pretty much happened for me after Romney lost. I don't think that there is any fix for our problems.
yeah romney might have been the last chance.
that was a tough one.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (dciA+)
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Is it ok if so of do not subscribe to the doom and gloom infection going around? I know it is the style of these times but can't you all just go back to wearing an onion on your belt.
I'll even give ya a couple of Bees for your trouble.
I'll even give ya a couple of Bees for your trouble.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Yada, yada, yada.... at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (WVsWD)
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There certainly isn't any room to argue Ace's position...
Ace has Polls to back him up. Actual scientific fact.
National polls of adults taken at the height of tens of millions of dollars in coordinated attacks on Trump.
It's not like any of these numbers are wrong or could change.
Game, set and match.
Ace has Polls to back him up. Actual scientific fact.
National polls of adults taken at the height of tens of millions of dollars in coordinated attacks on Trump.
It's not like any of these numbers are wrong or could change.
Game, set and match.
Posted by: jwest at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (Zs4uk)
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Dumb question--how do we know the racial demographics of voters? Or are these figures demography of U.S. public? I'm assuming the latter...
IIRC, those are Census numbers. Turnout is variable. AA trends were up the last two Presidential contests, but with no Obama it's questionable if that continues. Not sure about Hispanics, but I seem to recall something about them underperforming. Not enough Asians to matter on a national level, yet.
Correct me if I have part of that wrong.
IIRC, those are Census numbers. Turnout is variable. AA trends were up the last two Presidential contests, but with no Obama it's questionable if that continues. Not sure about Hispanics, but I seem to recall something about them underperforming. Not enough Asians to matter on a national level, yet.
Correct me if I have part of that wrong.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (9krrF)
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We have almost won, Ace, the establishment has almost lost.
The big problem now is that either Trump or Cruz MUST get to 1237 delegates. They have way too many delegates tied up in party officials who are only required to vote for them on first ballot.
There is some logic going around that they will have too many delegates to put a Ryan, a Romneycare, or a Kasich at the top of the ticket - that is not cut and dried. There are so many of the 'pledged' delegates that are only pledged to the first ballot by rule and in fact are establishment voters who have the time and money to go to the national convention and are just bound to vote Trump or Cruz the one time.
They will gladly switch on the 2nd ballot and neither of them would be the nominee.
The big problem now is that either Trump or Cruz MUST get to 1237 delegates. They have way too many delegates tied up in party officials who are only required to vote for them on first ballot.
There is some logic going around that they will have too many delegates to put a Ryan, a Romneycare, or a Kasich at the top of the ticket - that is not cut and dried. There are so many of the 'pledged' delegates that are only pledged to the first ballot by rule and in fact are establishment voters who have the time and money to go to the national convention and are just bound to vote Trump or Cruz the one time.
They will gladly switch on the 2nd ballot and neither of them would be the nominee.
Posted by: doug at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (4azI7)
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Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves...
Posted by: zzBottom at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (SAV4V)
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I get this. I quit Twitter because of this (and the censorship). Quit FB for same reason. This has become my only participatory Internet hangout. Don't mind argument, but ad hominems are just time wasting foolishness. Worse yet, in this cycle, Drudge, Breitbart, Fox, even NRO have all become particular candidate MSNBCs vying for your confirmation bias clicks It sucks.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (sqpGi)
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But a LOT of Trump's supporters just have this mode that "I win if I insult someone."
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (dciA+)
Seems to be a problem on both sides of that divide. Check the last thread for numerous examples.
But a LOT of Trump's supporters just have this mode that "I win if I insult someone."
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (dciA+)
Seems to be a problem on both sides of that divide. Check the last thread for numerous examples.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (0IhFx)
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people keep speculating that trump will play better with this crowd or that one -- and yet, the polls say he won't.
shouldn't actual evidence factor in here?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (dciA+)
He's appealing to the middle class and not bringing race into it. He hasn't gone in for race pandering at any point. On policy he'll mention Mexicans or muslims, but that's in relation to one of his fisher-price policy prescriptions: We'll build a wall at the border; We'll keep out terrorists. But he never, ever mentions the race of the people voting, they're just Americans. Do you see the difference?
It's like this Marcusian thing, where by looking at the world a certain way it reacts to him in that way. He's just ignoring the racial lines the democrats have laid down. He's going after the middle class, not after racial blocs.
Maybe that's something the polling is failing to account for?
It just never occurred to one of us smarties to even try that. How could it? We don't have the arrogance to think we can completely cut across, ignore, the social issues culture we've been living in. Fucking will to power.
shouldn't actual evidence factor in here?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:45 AM (dciA+)
He's appealing to the middle class and not bringing race into it. He hasn't gone in for race pandering at any point. On policy he'll mention Mexicans or muslims, but that's in relation to one of his fisher-price policy prescriptions: We'll build a wall at the border; We'll keep out terrorists. But he never, ever mentions the race of the people voting, they're just Americans. Do you see the difference?
It's like this Marcusian thing, where by looking at the world a certain way it reacts to him in that way. He's just ignoring the racial lines the democrats have laid down. He's going after the middle class, not after racial blocs.
Maybe that's something the polling is failing to account for?
It just never occurred to one of us smarties to even try that. How could it? We don't have the arrogance to think we can completely cut across, ignore, the social issues culture we've been living in. Fucking will to power.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (xuouz)
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I wanted a distraction today. Something akin to smod - not this inhouse fighting. And it's going to be in the high 80s today. Eff it.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (iQIUe)
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Having been here awile here is my thought for the day:
Hell have no fury like a pissed off Ewok.
So, you wanna poke the Ewok with a stick.....go for it.
Make sure it's a long stick.
Hell have no fury like a pissed off Ewok.
So, you wanna poke the Ewok with a stick.....go for it.
Make sure it's a long stick.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (5EsoT)
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Dumb question--how do we know the racial demographics of voters? Or are these figures demography of U.S. public? I'm assuming the latter...
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No, it's a fair question. It's the figures reached after compiling the data on all nationwide exit polling during the Nov 2012 election.
Research was done for WaPo and other media outlets.
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No, it's a fair question. It's the figures reached after compiling the data on all nationwide exit polling during the Nov 2012 election.
Research was done for WaPo and other media outlets.
Posted by: Azathoth at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (kp4rz)
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We have voted Republicans into office and they have failed miserably. They failed to fight effectively, or in many circumstances to fight at all. And now the Republicans are getting what they deserve.
I generally like the conservative media and bloggers, but crap - all they do is write articles. Our battle plan for the last eight years has been strongly worded articles and empty political promises without any action.
Trump would not be my first choice, but at least he's fighting the democrats and media the way they need to be fought. He is not cowering in fear every time the PC police demand his submission.
I think the Trump-Hillary freakshow is just what we need. I'd love to put you all in a time machine so you can see how happy you'll be supporting Trump-Kasich in the fall.
Thanks for all the time you put into this website Ace.
I generally like the conservative media and bloggers, but crap - all they do is write articles. Our battle plan for the last eight years has been strongly worded articles and empty political promises without any action.
Trump would not be my first choice, but at least he's fighting the democrats and media the way they need to be fought. He is not cowering in fear every time the PC police demand his submission.
I think the Trump-Hillary freakshow is just what we need. I'd love to put you all in a time machine so you can see how happy you'll be supporting Trump-Kasich in the fall.
Thanks for all the time you put into this website Ace.
Posted by: JP Allan at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (Jgdrs)
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And Trump has to humor RubioNewz why?
I'm not clear why ANY of the three left are bothering, to be honest...
I'm not clear why ANY of the three left are bothering, to be honest...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (9krrF)
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Ace,
Sorry, maybe I misread something. You shouldn't walk on eggshells around me. I wasn't trying to hit a nerve there. I wasn't actually trying to say that *you're* doing that, and I do actually try to separate the personal attacks from the non-personal arguments (and yes, sometimes text is hard to get tone from). So, if I screw up on that sometimes, I appreciate the forbearance. I'm *not* trying to tell you how to run your place (hence the ace's house, ace's rules thing...that wasn't meant to be snark or sarcastic, it was meant geniunely). I tend to be a lot cruder and nastier when I'm actually making a personal attack, and yes, I know that's counterproductive.
I actually *agree* that the personal attacks have got to stop.
Sorry, maybe I misread something. You shouldn't walk on eggshells around me. I wasn't trying to hit a nerve there. I wasn't actually trying to say that *you're* doing that, and I do actually try to separate the personal attacks from the non-personal arguments (and yes, sometimes text is hard to get tone from). So, if I screw up on that sometimes, I appreciate the forbearance. I'm *not* trying to tell you how to run your place (hence the ace's house, ace's rules thing...that wasn't meant to be snark or sarcastic, it was meant geniunely). I tend to be a lot cruder and nastier when I'm actually making a personal attack, and yes, I know that's counterproductive.
I actually *agree* that the personal attacks have got to stop.
Posted by: GMan at March 16, 2016 10:03 AM (sxq57)
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>>IIRC, those are Census numbers. Turnout is variable.
Thanks, I was pretty sure that was the case (unless that unassuming-looking retiree checking my ID at the poll is a lot more "involved" than I thought...)
Thanks, I was pretty sure that was the case (unless that unassuming-looking retiree checking my ID at the poll is a lot more "involved" than I thought...)
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 10:03 AM (Bdeb0)
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I don't care if you vote for Trump or not. We're losing either way.
???
NO sure what you mean by that?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:17 AM (DUoqb)
It's over, NGU. Cruz lost last night. That's it. He has no chance of overtaking Trump at this point. He's said he won't be a spoiler at the convention.
The next two primaries are Arizona and Utah, and even if Cruz takes Utah, it won't be enough. I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to suspend after that round.
???
NO sure what you mean by that?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 09:17 AM (DUoqb)
It's over, NGU. Cruz lost last night. That's it. He has no chance of overtaking Trump at this point. He's said he won't be a spoiler at the convention.
The next two primaries are Arizona and Utah, and even if Cruz takes Utah, it won't be enough. I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to suspend after that round.
Posted by: Joanne at March 16, 2016 10:03 AM (hgBpU)
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Ace, keep doing what you're doing. This is the last refuge.
Later, kids. Don't do anything stupid.
Ace, keep doing what you're doing. This is the last refuge.
Later, kids. Don't do anything stupid.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 10:03 AM (p4UlV)
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Eh, I'm still unconvinced, if only that it seems that normal political rules don't seem to apply to Trump.
his unapproval rating is over 60%.
How can you say "normal political rules" don't apply?
You seem to continue confusing these rules not applying in the limited universe of highly partisan, very angry GOP primary voters with the rest of the country.
It's like taking a polls about amnesty for illegals at an illegal alien detention center. You'll find "the normal rules of the politics of immigration" don't apply THERE, either.
Eh, I'm still unconvinced, if only that it seems that normal political rules don't seem to apply to Trump.
his unapproval rating is over 60%.
How can you say "normal political rules" don't apply?
You seem to continue confusing these rules not applying in the limited universe of highly partisan, very angry GOP primary voters with the rest of the country.
It's like taking a polls about amnesty for illegals at an illegal alien detention center. You'll find "the normal rules of the politics of immigration" don't apply THERE, either.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:03 AM (dciA+)
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we all know the propaganda wing of the DNC, aka the MSM, is going to be providing Her with constant air-cover from now through her coronation.
Posted by: DocJ at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (5Nr9V)
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If Trump lies back and takes it.
"It is what it is," sighed McCain, while the NY Times claimed he had an affair with a woman who once rode an airplane with him, but couldn't find a connection between Obama and Bill Ayers.
Posted by: DocJ at March 16, 2016 09:54 AM (5Nr9V)
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If Trump lies back and takes it.
"It is what it is," sighed McCain, while the NY Times claimed he had an affair with a woman who once rode an airplane with him, but couldn't find a connection between Obama and Bill Ayers.
Posted by: iforgot at March 16, 2016 10:03 AM (pC96u)
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O/T, I'm glad Obama's SCOTUS nominee is a white man, otherwise, the GOPe would be falling all over themselves to speed the nomination through in order to prove they're not hate-hate-racist-sexists.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 16, 2016 10:03 AM (X6fMO)
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"His unfavorables are higher than hers. You call her loathsome; fine, she is. But objectively, per opinion polls, she is 5% less loathsome than Donald Trump."
Ace, I can just see this as one of Hillary's campaign ads: 'Vote for Hillary! She's 5% less Loathsome than the Donald!'
Ace, I can just see this as one of Hillary's campaign ads: 'Vote for Hillary! She's 5% less Loathsome than the Donald!'
Posted by: benning at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (pttHf)
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>>> 334 There certainly isn't any room to argue Ace's position...
National polls of adults taken at the height of tens of millions of dollars in coordinated attacks on Trump.
It's not like any of these numbers are wrong or could change.
Game, set and match. >>>
What do *you* think the Dems are going to spend their war chest on from now until November?
National polls of adults taken at the height of tens of millions of dollars in coordinated attacks on Trump.
It's not like any of these numbers are wrong or could change.
Game, set and match. >>>
What do *you* think the Dems are going to spend their war chest on from now until November?
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (KUegI)
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321 mega machines,
Nah see that is cogent non baiting...
I am a Cruz man, I loathe those that call him Canadian, Rafael and a lot 9f passive aggressive shot but that anti trump post was the good standard of eloquence
Nah see that is cogent non baiting...
I am a Cruz man, I loathe those that call him Canadian, Rafael and a lot 9f passive aggressive shot but that anti trump post was the good standard of eloquence
Posted by: Harlekwin at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (ftdxp)
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I would prefer for regular comenters be suspended not banned.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (iQIUe)
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All I could think about was Christ Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. You didn't keep them safe, Hills. Just sayin.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (7q2ch)
But, but, but we didn't lose a single person in Libya.
*how she gets away with it. Her liver must be just shy of hard as stone.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (7q2ch)
But, but, but we didn't lose a single person in Libya.
*how she gets away with it. Her liver must be just shy of hard as stone.
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (mEZce)
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seriously, many of you seem to confuse "these attacks cost Trump almost nothing among Republicans" with "these attacks cost Trump almost nothing among all voters."
These are two completely different animals.
Do you think independent voters (who we need-- the GOP is a small party) give a fuck about our war with the GOPe?
These are two completely different animals.
Do you think independent voters (who we need-- the GOP is a small party) give a fuck about our war with the GOPe?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (dciA+)
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1984 alert: folks are editing Merrick Garland's wikipedia page to portray him as a moderate instead of a strong liberal.
Don't trust anything you read on the internet.
Don't trust anything you read on the internet.
Posted by: Jake (not officially a regular) at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (TVcxg)
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Holy crap! Tell us how you really feel.
Sort of like Hudson or Hicks in 'Aliens', I guess, I forget which.
Sort of like Hudson or Hicks in 'Aliens', I guess, I forget which.
Posted by: Jack at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (/haNQ)
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AoSHQ is my home base for the right side of politics, etc. exactly because of the wide range of opinions and perspectives given by the readers. The fact that ace has allowed as much as he has up to now is evidence of his patience.
I'm not the combative type so I just avoid those threads I know will cause the flames to erupt. I also know that I have to keep my own emotional attachments to a candidate in check. And even when I am able to, I just try and keep my fingers away from the keyboard.
I'm not the combative type so I just avoid those threads I know will cause the flames to erupt. I also know that I have to keep my own emotional attachments to a candidate in check. And even when I am able to, I just try and keep my fingers away from the keyboard.
Posted by: Dead Parrot Society at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (AJeMv)
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Wow. Ace, you're WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too emotionally invested in this Republican nomination process.
Try this instead:
Rule #1: The stock market will crash this year.
Rule #2: The economy will implode this year.
Rule #3: The Republicans will win the White House this year.
Rule #4: It doesn't really matter which Republican wins the White House. OK?
Try this instead:
Rule #1: The stock market will crash this year.
Rule #2: The economy will implode this year.
Rule #3: The Republicans will win the White House this year.
Rule #4: It doesn't really matter which Republican wins the White House. OK?
Posted by: Dogstar at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (NbSWU)
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Speaking of hammers, I've linked to this before but it seemed appropriate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8ivku-gxo
I've never had the honor of being shouted at by Anthony Hopkins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8ivku-gxo
I've never had the honor of being shouted at by Anthony Hopkins.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (VdICR)
Posted by: chelsea danger at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (1nFsQ)
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"at some point shouldn't this evidence itself in a poll showing trump at least within the margin of error with Hillary? "
At some point yes. However, at this point in a hotly contested primary 8 months from the election, think it is premature to call it all lost.
The same polls that show Trump losing to Hillary also showed Marco Rubio to be the biggest winner over her. Does that mean we should have selected him as the nominee then?
But what do I know...
At some point yes. However, at this point in a hotly contested primary 8 months from the election, think it is premature to call it all lost.
The same polls that show Trump losing to Hillary also showed Marco Rubio to be the biggest winner over her. Does that mean we should have selected him as the nominee then?
But what do I know...
Posted by: Skeezix at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (WnCSK)
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>>What do *you* think the Dems are going to spend their war chest on from now until November?
Wi-Fi sex toys.
Wi-Fi sex toys.
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (Bdeb0)
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I can only speak for myself and those shelves of bell jars over there,
AAGGHH!!! - fires plasma warheads
AAGGHH!!! - fires plasma warheads
Posted by: Just reread The Expanse at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (DL2i+)
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310 I've posted it before, but I just don't believe that the party "elders" are strong enough to take majority of delegates from both Trump and Cruz and give them to either an also-ran or someone who never got into the race.
Really?
They screwed over the winner of the AK Senate primary.
They screwed over the winner of the DE Seante primary, ad he wasn't even the incumbent.
They actively worked against the primary challenger in KS when the incumbent couldn't be bothered to be a resident.
They have been having meetings about exactly this.
They have been floating position statement from the former Speaker and the 2012 candidate AND they reminded everyone that double secret probation is still there; it just is no longer secret.
The Senate Majority leader is whining about an apology. Can you imagine the dems doing ANY of this?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 09:58 AM (326rv)
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I'm not saying that they won't try, but they'll have to move the majority of the delegates and I don't think they have it in them.
We'll see, but I just don't believe that with their highest hopes and most diligent preparations that they'll be able to convince a majority of Trump and Cruz delegates that they should abandon those two completely and move to Rubio/Kasich/Ryan.
Really?
They screwed over the winner of the AK Senate primary.
They screwed over the winner of the DE Seante primary, ad he wasn't even the incumbent.
They actively worked against the primary challenger in KS when the incumbent couldn't be bothered to be a resident.
They have been having meetings about exactly this.
They have been floating position statement from the former Speaker and the 2012 candidate AND they reminded everyone that double secret probation is still there; it just is no longer secret.
The Senate Majority leader is whining about an apology. Can you imagine the dems doing ANY of this?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 09:58 AM (326rv)
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I'm not saying that they won't try, but they'll have to move the majority of the delegates and I don't think they have it in them.
We'll see, but I just don't believe that with their highest hopes and most diligent preparations that they'll be able to convince a majority of Trump and Cruz delegates that they should abandon those two completely and move to Rubio/Kasich/Ryan.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (rJSDb)
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Ban away! By keeping the blog comment rules strong, it makes everyone have to actually think when they post, instead of writing "F*%^ eight or ten times in a post.Posted by: Jen the original at March 16, 2016 09:41 AM (rKNmI)
There are times when employing that particular exclamatory pejorative and its variations is preferable, even necessary, and largely dependent uponcontext and narrative necessity.
Did you know David Lynch wanted me to huff helium in that role? I mean, what the hell? Helium? Can you even imagine that shit? The mind boggles.
There are times when employing that particular exclamatory pejorative and its variations is preferable, even necessary, and largely dependent uponcontext and narrative necessity.
Did you know David Lynch wanted me to huff helium in that role? I mean, what the hell? Helium? Can you even imagine that shit? The mind boggles.
Posted by: Zombie Dennis Hopper Reflecting Upon His Frank Booth 'Blue Velvet' Performance at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (UWlp+)
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VA GOP
I get where you're coming from but they are backfiring in a primary where that base is incredibly anti establishment and it makes perfect sense that they shouldn't work because all that has to be said (and has been said) is that so and so is either a part of the establishment or becomes a part of it by attacking him.
I just don't see it in the general.
I get where you're coming from but they are backfiring in a primary where that base is incredibly anti establishment and it makes perfect sense that they shouldn't work because all that has to be said (and has been said) is that so and so is either a part of the establishment or becomes a part of it by attacking him.
I just don't see it in the general.
Posted by: H Badger at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (n/0Nw)
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I do find it funny/odd/fascinating that the GOPe, after fighting Trump with first Jeb! and then Rubio! is finally, ultimately, begrudgingly backing Cruz!.
Really? What evidence is there for this?
Really? What evidence is there for this?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (326rv)
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (Bdeb0)
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271 "Of the 12 elections included in that "last 50 years". The polling leader in March has won the presidency 10 of the last 12 times. Only two times that didn't hold true were due to massive third parties (1980 Carter led Reagan before Anderson hopped in, 1992 GHWB led Clinton when Perot was at max support levels).
"Site" better data, thanks."
Wrong!
Oct. '12 Romney 52 -Obama 45, Aug. 2008 McCain 50 Obama 46, 3/'99 Bush 56 Gore 41, 2/'95 Dole 51 Clinton 45, 2/'83 Mondale 47 Reagan 41, and March '79 Carter 52 Reagan 38. Head to heads are meaningless at this point.
"Site" better data, thanks."
Wrong!
Oct. '12 Romney 52 -Obama 45, Aug. 2008 McCain 50 Obama 46, 3/'99 Bush 56 Gore 41, 2/'95 Dole 51 Clinton 45, 2/'83 Mondale 47 Reagan 41, and March '79 Carter 52 Reagan 38. Head to heads are meaningless at this point.
Posted by: suckitupbuttercup at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (GHtJF)
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Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but my recollection was that a lot of our side was blindsided the day after the general election in 2008 in that we thought Romney had a chance.
As I recall, we were all saying don't believe the polls and grasping at any straw we could find. But the numbers were all there in plain sight. Romney never had a chance.------Guy Mohawk
From what I recall, what saved the dems was that they used their social media edge to get out the LIVs on election day. and that made the difference.
What I did not buy was the claim that dem turnout would be the same as or higher than 2008. I was right, but it was down enough for us to win. THAT is what surprised me.
As I recall, we were all saying don't believe the polls and grasping at any straw we could find. But the numbers were all there in plain sight. Romney never had a chance.------Guy Mohawk
From what I recall, what saved the dems was that they used their social media edge to get out the LIVs on election day. and that made the difference.
What I did not buy was the claim that dem turnout would be the same as or higher than 2008. I was right, but it was down enough for us to win. THAT is what surprised me.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (1JqUE)
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Not all, of course. Not even most. But a LOT of Trump's supporters just have this mode that "I win if I insult someone."
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (dciA+)
Now that I think about it, insulting Megyn Kelly for no apparent reason and dropping out of what would basically be a 2 man debate makes more sense.
But I think it could easily backfire.
Megyn gets more publicity, people will watch because of that, and I would like to see the "empty chair" (podium) trick. Properly executed, that could be effective.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:27 AM (dciA+)
Now that I think about it, insulting Megyn Kelly for no apparent reason and dropping out of what would basically be a 2 man debate makes more sense.
But I think it could easily backfire.
Megyn gets more publicity, people will watch because of that, and I would like to see the "empty chair" (podium) trick. Properly executed, that could be effective.
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (DofIg)
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>>>
Rule #1: The stock market will crash this year.
Rule #2: The economy will implode this year.
Rule #3: The Republicans will win the White House this year.
Rule #4: It doesn't really matter which Republican wins the White House. OK?
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as I said above, it's too late for a recession to save us. There aren't two quarters left before the election.
Rule #1: The stock market will crash this year.
Rule #2: The economy will implode this year.
Rule #3: The Republicans will win the White House this year.
Rule #4: It doesn't really matter which Republican wins the White House. OK?
...
as I said above, it's too late for a recession to save us. There aren't two quarters left before the election.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (dciA+)
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Am I too late to say something clever about this topic?
Posted by: Joe Biden's Brain at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (NG7MG)
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But, but, but we didn't lose a single person in Libya.
*how she gets away with it. Her liver must be just shy of hard as stone.
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (mEZce)
Her liver and her heart.
And sorry for the typo-Chris Stevens, not Christ Stevens. Mercy, I need to proof-read better.
But, but, but we didn't lose a single person in Libya.
*how she gets away with it. Her liver must be just shy of hard as stone.
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (mEZce)
Her liver and her heart.
And sorry for the typo-Chris Stevens, not Christ Stevens. Mercy, I need to proof-read better.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (7q2ch)
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Do you think independent voters (who we need-- the GOP is a small party) give a fuck about our war with the GOPe?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (dciA+)
Yeah, actually. Independent voters hate the GOP, with or without the (e).
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (dciA+)
Yeah, actually. Independent voters hate the GOP, with or without the (e).
Posted by: schizoid at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (lC4lt)
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371 I do find it funny/odd/fascinating that the GOPe, after fighting Trump with first Jeb! and then Rubio! is finally, ultimately, begrudgingly backing Cruz!.
Really? What evidence is there for this?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (326rv)
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Graham saying that he could back Cruz.
Really? What evidence is there for this?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (326rv)
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Graham saying that he could back Cruz.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (rJSDb)
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What a crappy time to have been out being useful, I missed a Fiery Wrath of Ace post. I love these.
(Pro-tip: when I parachute in I hit Ctrl+F dcia+ to see what the boss has been saying).
The combination of the Trump phenomenon and the influx of our mostly-welcome washashores has really changed the dynamics of the political threads.
I was in one of the primary returns threads last night and must have seen 50 clear examples of "fuck you, asshole" directed at commenters. It's not even close decision calls just out there.
Ace, you warn people and you explain your reasoning and then you yell at the Horde. It shouldn't be just your job. The rules have been laid out explicitly again and again.
We should have Cobs on the rooftops with permission to fire freely. Also, not to make the disappearances anonymous, but to hang a pelt on the wall. "We zapped so and so for this comment".
The book threads are lovely, but it's getting ridiculous that the only civil comment threads on a political blog are the non-political threads.
(Pro-tip: when I parachute in I hit Ctrl+F dcia+ to see what the boss has been saying).
The combination of the Trump phenomenon and the influx of our mostly-welcome washashores has really changed the dynamics of the political threads.
I was in one of the primary returns threads last night and must have seen 50 clear examples of "fuck you, asshole" directed at commenters. It's not even close decision calls just out there.
Ace, you warn people and you explain your reasoning and then you yell at the Horde. It shouldn't be just your job. The rules have been laid out explicitly again and again.
We should have Cobs on the rooftops with permission to fire freely. Also, not to make the disappearances anonymous, but to hang a pelt on the wall. "We zapped so and so for this comment".
The book threads are lovely, but it's getting ridiculous that the only civil comment threads on a political blog are the non-political threads.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (1xUj/)
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Wi-Fi sex toys.
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (Bdeb0)
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Clinton will construct her own and it will be able to vibrate state secrets in morse code.
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (Bdeb0)
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Clinton will construct her own and it will be able to vibrate state secrets in morse code.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 16, 2016 10:08 AM (P8unj)
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Trump Is the only guy willing to put gloves on and dip them in wax and glass and fight the Lib/Prog/Dems the way they fight everyone else. What's not to like?
Posted by: zzBottom at March 16, 2016 10:08 AM (SAV4V)
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 10:08 AM (mEZce)
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>>>Trump is a pretty good campaigner. If he had Ted Cruz-level GOTV on the ground, he'd have the nomination locked up by now.
That's assuming a lot. Donald would have the nomination locked up if he had and could articulate a cogent vision/policy for America rather than a bumper sicker slogan. The fact that he's a "short fingered vulgarian" and boorish doesn't help. I think he turns off as many, if not more, people than he wins over. The evidence is his consistent 35% average in the primary voting. I agree with Ace, Trump doesn't have the skills or finesse to win over a majority of new voters and will fall back on the goody bag to accomplish this.
That's assuming a lot. Donald would have the nomination locked up if he had and could articulate a cogent vision/policy for America rather than a bumper sicker slogan. The fact that he's a "short fingered vulgarian" and boorish doesn't help. I think he turns off as many, if not more, people than he wins over. The evidence is his consistent 35% average in the primary voting. I agree with Ace, Trump doesn't have the skills or finesse to win over a majority of new voters and will fall back on the goody bag to accomplish this.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 16, 2016 10:08 AM (/E+t2)
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his unapproval rating is over 60%.
How can you say "normal political rules" don't apply?
You seem to continue confusing these rules not applying in the limited universe of highly partisan, very angry GOP primary voters with the rest of the country.
It's like taking a polls about amnesty for illegals at an illegal alien detention center. You'll find "the normal rules of the politics of immigration" don't apply THERE, either.
I don't know about the 60% figure. Wouldn't it apply to primary voters too? I mean, if it's universal then people wouldn't be voting for him at all?
And I know, Primary =/= General and all of that, but if the disapproval numbers were determinative then I wouldn't expect him to win votes period. Also, isn't Trump mainly winning open primaries, where the "anger" thing isn't necessarily limited to dyed-in-the-wool GOP members?
All I'm seeing is a bunch of people trying to take him down via normal ad hominem means, up to and including pop culture mockery, and he's still around. Maybe there's a more generalized anger out there, not just limited to GOP voters, that will ignore same-old campaign tactics and vote Trump hell or high water.
I don't know. But I don't think Trump's defeat is a sure thing either.
his unapproval rating is over 60%.
How can you say "normal political rules" don't apply?
You seem to continue confusing these rules not applying in the limited universe of highly partisan, very angry GOP primary voters with the rest of the country.
It's like taking a polls about amnesty for illegals at an illegal alien detention center. You'll find "the normal rules of the politics of immigration" don't apply THERE, either.
I don't know about the 60% figure. Wouldn't it apply to primary voters too? I mean, if it's universal then people wouldn't be voting for him at all?
And I know, Primary =/= General and all of that, but if the disapproval numbers were determinative then I wouldn't expect him to win votes period. Also, isn't Trump mainly winning open primaries, where the "anger" thing isn't necessarily limited to dyed-in-the-wool GOP members?
All I'm seeing is a bunch of people trying to take him down via normal ad hominem means, up to and including pop culture mockery, and he's still around. Maybe there's a more generalized anger out there, not just limited to GOP voters, that will ignore same-old campaign tactics and vote Trump hell or high water.
I don't know. But I don't think Trump's defeat is a sure thing either.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 16, 2016 10:08 AM (PFy0L)
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"I'm angry" is a valid thing to say. I was a good soldier in 1996, 2008 and 2012 even though the nominee was not my 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice. The "party" has submarined candidates in my state for Senate and governor that they didn't like but had been properly nominated.
I have been appalled by the behavior of Republicans since I got involved in 1988. The "Republican" Party is not conservative. Conservatives are not even conservative. No one pays attention to the Constitution or calls others on it when they ignore it.
Frankly we are a lot closer to anarchy than maybe people realize. The left has undermined us for years yearning for their October Revolution. And Republicans have been abject cowards in standing up to them, if it was even their real intention. Beginning to think most of the platform is just eyewash.
Yes, I want the Republican Party punished for it's failures. Yes, I frankly think they are finished. They are tools of the same interests that the Democrats are, acting as an "opposition" than in fact does not oppose.
I am disgusted beyond words with Republicans, if the party dies off, who cares?
I have been appalled by the behavior of Republicans since I got involved in 1988. The "Republican" Party is not conservative. Conservatives are not even conservative. No one pays attention to the Constitution or calls others on it when they ignore it.
Frankly we are a lot closer to anarchy than maybe people realize. The left has undermined us for years yearning for their October Revolution. And Republicans have been abject cowards in standing up to them, if it was even their real intention. Beginning to think most of the platform is just eyewash.
Yes, I want the Republican Party punished for it's failures. Yes, I frankly think they are finished. They are tools of the same interests that the Democrats are, acting as an "opposition" than in fact does not oppose.
I am disgusted beyond words with Republicans, if the party dies off, who cares?
Posted by: Frank Tauss at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (c7PCO)
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>>>For the last time, Cruz will never survive the committee process let alone a full vote from the senate. A zombie Scalia and Bork have a better shot at it than a live Cruz, FFS<<<
"Either pass the nomination of Ted Cruz to Supreme Court, or he will be the next attorney general and will be investigating each one of you a-holes non stopfor at leastthe next 4 years and probably 8 years. You may not wind up in a penitentiary but you will wind up broke."
These things that are impossible, are possible if you know how to be persuasive.
It is not a fair fight.The other side is playing for keeps.
>>>For the last time, Cruz will never survive the committee process let alone a full vote from the senate. A zombie Scalia and Bork have a better shot at it than a live Cruz, FFS<<<
"Either pass the nomination of Ted Cruz to Supreme Court, or he will be the next attorney general and will be investigating each one of you a-holes non stopfor at leastthe next 4 years and probably 8 years. You may not wind up in a penitentiary but you will wind up broke."
These things that are impossible, are possible if you know how to be persuasive.
It is not a fair fight.The other side is playing for keeps.
Posted by: simplemind at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (JTwsP)
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>>My money's on "massive stroke". It's a long shot, to be sure.
Ooh, me, too. Funny how no one in the MSM is asking questions about her repeated, long coughing fits, huh?
What scares me, though, is that this is all just theater to take Hillary out at the convention (say, Obama's DoJ decides her just before it starts) and they drop in the next new, young thing, Obama 2.0 (preferably a non-white woman) - either as the POYUS or as Biden's VP. Gives them someone who has not already been beat up my the media and GOP candidates, and a fresh face they can feel good about voting for as virtue-signalling.
Ooh, me, too. Funny how no one in the MSM is asking questions about her repeated, long coughing fits, huh?
What scares me, though, is that this is all just theater to take Hillary out at the convention (say, Obama's DoJ decides her just before it starts) and they drop in the next new, young thing, Obama 2.0 (preferably a non-white woman) - either as the POYUS or as Biden's VP. Gives them someone who has not already been beat up my the media and GOP candidates, and a fresh face they can feel good about voting for as virtue-signalling.
Posted by: Hillary! at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (NOIQH)
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182 But what good does someone's animal grunting do for anyone?
So your not a Sharapova fan?
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When I am elected at the brokered convention we will censor this un moral, lust inducing woman and force all womenz to wear sweatpants to play the sports on the television.
So your not a Sharapova fan?
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When I am elected at the brokered convention we will censor this un moral, lust inducing woman and force all womenz to wear sweatpants to play the sports on the television.
Posted by: Rick Santitorium at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (EIiez)
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I'm not saying that they won't try, but they'll have to move the majority of the delegates and I don't think they have it in them.
We'll see, but I just don't believe that with their highest hopes and most diligent preparations that they'll be able to convince a majority of Trump and Cruz delegates that they should abandon those two completely and move to Rubio/Kasich/Ryan.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
All they need is to prevent either trump or cruz from getting 1237 the first round.
After that, what they need is for as many rounds as possible. And they control the process. Dilute and prolong that process, and THEN propose a 'compromise we can all agree on'.
We'll see, but I just don't believe that with their highest hopes and most diligent preparations that they'll be able to convince a majority of Trump and Cruz delegates that they should abandon those two completely and move to Rubio/Kasich/Ryan.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
All they need is to prevent either trump or cruz from getting 1237 the first round.
After that, what they need is for as many rounds as possible. And they control the process. Dilute and prolong that process, and THEN propose a 'compromise we can all agree on'.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (326rv)
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>>Clinton will construct her own and it will be able to vibrate state secrets in morse code.
Clinton is a Wi-Fi sex toy.
But you have to have an appetite for a peculiar kind of, umm, "sex."
Clinton is a Wi-Fi sex toy.
But you have to have an appetite for a peculiar kind of, umm, "sex."
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (Bdeb0)
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Just my suspicions but the national polls that are taken now do not take into account are based on likely voters and not new voters, which admittedly is almost impossible to gauge and poll. I have been keeping tabs on the total voter turnouts in the primaries so far and barring a few states (NC for one), turnout on the R side far exceeds turnout on the D side. So, lots of new voters? Independents? If this is a true trend, I do not think national polls are able to take this into account, right now anyway.
Posted by: IC at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (a0IVu)
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>>>199 joe trippi said in the last seven elections where there was above-normal primary turn out, there was only above-normal general election turn out in four of the cases -- that is, just barely above 50% of the time.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (dciA+)>>>
Also, despite increased turnout, Trump generally gets about the percentage that the polls say he's going to.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:43 AM (dciA+)>>>
Also, despite increased turnout, Trump generally gets about the percentage that the polls say he's going to.
Posted by: gm at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Esch at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (inTrh)
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What do *you* think the Dems are going to spend their war chest on from now until November?
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (KUegI)
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Well.... hell. They'd be doing that to whoever the nominee is.
So.Lets.Just.Fucking.Quit.Hands.Up.We.Surrender.
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We could go back a few weeks in history and look at some imperical performances of Trump v Clinton and see if we can glean some insight to future exchanges.
CLINTONS: "Trumps War on Women!!!" Eleventy!!!
TRUMP: YOURE HUSBAND
CLINTONS: *crickets*
Bunch of damn eyeores.
I dont particularly like Trump. I was a Walker then a Cruz guy. But hes going to be the nominee.
So..... you got a choice to make.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (KUegI)
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Well.... hell. They'd be doing that to whoever the nominee is.
So.Lets.Just.Fucking.Quit.Hands.Up.We.Surrender.
-or-
We could go back a few weeks in history and look at some imperical performances of Trump v Clinton and see if we can glean some insight to future exchanges.
CLINTONS: "Trumps War on Women!!!" Eleventy!!!
TRUMP: YOURE HUSBAND
CLINTONS: *crickets*
Bunch of damn eyeores.
I dont particularly like Trump. I was a Walker then a Cruz guy. But hes going to be the nominee.
So..... you got a choice to make.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (8XRCm)
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>>> 373 Wrong!
Oct. '12 Romney 52 -Obama 45, Aug. 2008 McCain 50 Obama 46, 3/'99 Bush 56 Gore 41, 2/'95 Dole 51 Clinton 45, 2/'83 Mondale 47 Reagan 41, and March '79 Carter 52 Reagan 38. Head to heads are meaningless at this point. >>>
Lol. Three of those polls are from February of the election year or a whole year earlier (and one of those correctly calls the winner). The other two are one (1) (uno) (not a polling average) outlier from October and the other the traditional post-convention bump.
Some people just want to un-skew polls I guess.
Oct. '12 Romney 52 -Obama 45, Aug. 2008 McCain 50 Obama 46, 3/'99 Bush 56 Gore 41, 2/'95 Dole 51 Clinton 45, 2/'83 Mondale 47 Reagan 41, and March '79 Carter 52 Reagan 38. Head to heads are meaningless at this point. >>>
Lol. Three of those polls are from February of the election year or a whole year earlier (and one of those correctly calls the winner). The other two are one (1) (uno) (not a polling average) outlier from October and the other the traditional post-convention bump.
Some people just want to un-skew polls I guess.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (KUegI)
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Ok, thank for the response.
Posted by: Dogstar at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (NbSWU)
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Yeah, actually. Independent voters hate the GOP, with or without the (e).
no they don't. independents are not super-into the GOP but they generally vote with us, as they did in 2012 (and we still lost, of course).
but if they cared about our palace intrigues with the GOPe they'd be actual Republicans. They're not. They're not as invested as we are.
So this slack we give to trump just because he's taking on "The GOPe," they don't give him.
They might like some of Trump's policy positions (because... he's kind of a Democrat), but most people vote on personal feelings, and the personal feelings for Trump are poor. There has never been a nominee in recent memory with such bad unfavorables.
Hillary would have been the worst -- but we found someone with even worse unfavorables, lucky us.
Yeah, actually. Independent voters hate the GOP, with or without the (e).
no they don't. independents are not super-into the GOP but they generally vote with us, as they did in 2012 (and we still lost, of course).
but if they cared about our palace intrigues with the GOPe they'd be actual Republicans. They're not. They're not as invested as we are.
So this slack we give to trump just because he's taking on "The GOPe," they don't give him.
They might like some of Trump's policy positions (because... he's kind of a Democrat), but most people vote on personal feelings, and the personal feelings for Trump are poor. There has never been a nominee in recent memory with such bad unfavorables.
Hillary would have been the worst -- but we found someone with even worse unfavorables, lucky us.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (dciA+)
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It was hard to masturbate to all the recent banning. But I did.
Posted by: Jinglebales at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (O7JvG)
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What do *you* think the Dems are going to spend their war chest on from now until November?
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (KUegI)
I think the dems are going to spend big, but I've seen ineffective big spending before.
I've also seen stadiums full of enthusiastic supporters for Trump while Hillary's people paid for seat fillers.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (KUegI)
I think the dems are going to spend big, but I've seen ineffective big spending before.
I've also seen stadiums full of enthusiastic supporters for Trump while Hillary's people paid for seat fillers.
Posted by: jwest at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (Zs4uk)
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I dont think that Trump will be elected. I think it would be a miracle if he were reelected.
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I think if Trump is elected, he won't run for re-election. He'll hate the job when he finds out what it is.
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I think if Trump is elected, he won't run for re-election. He'll hate the job when he finds out what it is.
Posted by: iforgot at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (pC96u)
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They could have thrown their money and organization behind Walker. They could have thrown their money and organization behind Perry. They could have thrown their money and organization behind Jindal. They could have actually learned that people actually are pissed about illegal immigrants and outsourcing and bringing in foreign workers.
But nope it had to be Jeb Bush! And then when that fizzled it had to be Marco Rubio (Jeb Bush with a Hispanic last name.)
But nope it had to be Jeb Bush! And then when that fizzled it had to be Marco Rubio (Jeb Bush with a Hispanic last name.)
Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (zt+N6)
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Hillary's coughing fits could be caused by high blood pressure medications. Apparently some of them do that.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (4ErVI)
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Just came in from the rocking chair and checked the stuff
all I can say is wow.
But things have been getting a little too hot lately and there is an old saying here. . .
don't piss in your corn flakes and expect it to be a great breakfast.
meaning don't attack someone personally over political shit. Especially the guy with the keys
all I can say is wow.
But things have been getting a little too hot lately and there is an old saying here. . .
don't piss in your corn flakes and expect it to be a great breakfast.
meaning don't attack someone personally over political shit. Especially the guy with the keys
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (t2KH5)
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his unapproval rating is over 60%.
How can you say "normal political rules" don't apply?
You seem to continue confusing these rules not applying in the limited universe of highly partisan, very angry GOP primary voters with the rest of the country.
It's like taking a polls about amnesty for illegals at an illegal alien detention center. You'll find "the normal rules of the politics of immigration" don't apply THERE, either.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:03 AM (dciA+)
Isn't this just outright capitulation to the democrat "demographics is destiny" approach to elections? I mean, if the primary is such a poor indicator of the real national mood, then wouldn't ANY republican lose to the democrat?
If we try to run this "hit your margin within each demographic bloc" game that we're so scared of losing to the democrats, it plays right into their hands, doesn't it? That's what the GOPe has been so afraid of and why they've hispandered and gone so soft on social issues.
Trump isn't trying to do that. I get the impression he doesn't even buy that line of thinking, of trying to hit your number within the blocs you CAN win. He'll walk right up to a female minority democrat and ask her for her vote.
It wouldn't even occur to Paul Ryan, or, and it's painful, to you or to me, to do that. To even try.
How can you say "normal political rules" don't apply?
You seem to continue confusing these rules not applying in the limited universe of highly partisan, very angry GOP primary voters with the rest of the country.
It's like taking a polls about amnesty for illegals at an illegal alien detention center. You'll find "the normal rules of the politics of immigration" don't apply THERE, either.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:03 AM (dciA+)
Isn't this just outright capitulation to the democrat "demographics is destiny" approach to elections? I mean, if the primary is such a poor indicator of the real national mood, then wouldn't ANY republican lose to the democrat?
If we try to run this "hit your margin within each demographic bloc" game that we're so scared of losing to the democrats, it plays right into their hands, doesn't it? That's what the GOPe has been so afraid of and why they've hispandered and gone so soft on social issues.
Trump isn't trying to do that. I get the impression he doesn't even buy that line of thinking, of trying to hit your number within the blocs you CAN win. He'll walk right up to a female minority democrat and ask her for her vote.
It wouldn't even occur to Paul Ryan, or, and it's painful, to you or to me, to do that. To even try.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (xuouz)
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I do find it funny/odd/fascinating that the GOPe, after fighting Trump with first Jeb! and then Rubio! is finally, ultimately, begrudgingly backing Cruz!.
Really? What evidence is there for this?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (326rv)
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Graham saying that he could back Cruz.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Was this before, after or during the death threat 'joke'?
Really? What evidence is there for this?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (326rv)
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Graham saying that he could back Cruz.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Was this before, after or during the death threat 'joke'?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (326rv)
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391 All they need is to prevent either trump or cruz from getting 1237 the first round.
After that, what they need is for as many rounds as possible. And they control the process. Dilute and prolong that process, and THEN propose a 'compromise we can all agree on'.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (326rv)
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I get that...except that you still need to convince Cruz and Trump delegates to stay split for several ballots instead of coming to an agreement between each other, and then moving them.
It's even harder than I originally thought because the idea implies that Trump and Cruz delegates won't get together and figure something out for themselves (like a Trump/Cruz ticket).
I remain unconvinced that the establishment could steal the nomination.
After that, what they need is for as many rounds as possible. And they control the process. Dilute and prolong that process, and THEN propose a 'compromise we can all agree on'.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (326rv)
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I get that...except that you still need to convince Cruz and Trump delegates to stay split for several ballots instead of coming to an agreement between each other, and then moving them.
It's even harder than I originally thought because the idea implies that Trump and Cruz delegates won't get together and figure something out for themselves (like a Trump/Cruz ticket).
I remain unconvinced that the establishment could steal the nomination.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (rJSDb)
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407 Was this before, after or during the death threat 'joke'?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (326rv)
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About a week after.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (326rv)
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About a week after.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 10:13 AM (rJSDb)
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>>> 396 snip >>>
I don't see what any of that has to do with my comment. You're going to be disappointed if you think Clinton (who is basically now running her primary campaign successfully as I'M AGAINST TRUMP) is going to stop attacking Trump in a general election because he tweets at her.
I don't see what any of that has to do with my comment. You're going to be disappointed if you think Clinton (who is basically now running her primary campaign successfully as I'M AGAINST TRUMP) is going to stop attacking Trump in a general election because he tweets at her.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:13 AM (KUegI)
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Was this before, after or during the death threat 'joke'?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (326rv)
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About a week after.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 10:13 AM (rJSDb)
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And THAT boys and girls, is why we get Trump. The GOPe couldnt form a cohesive strategy if their party depended on it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (326rv)
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About a week after.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 10:13 AM (rJSDb)
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And THAT boys and girls, is why we get Trump. The GOPe couldnt form a cohesive strategy if their party depended on it.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 16, 2016 10:14 AM (8XRCm)
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>>> 401 I've also seen stadiums full of enthusiastic supporters for Trump while Hillary's people paid for seat fillers. >>>
Sanders has huge crowds too. Doesn't mean he's going to beat Hillary.
Sanders has huge crowds too. Doesn't mean he's going to beat Hillary.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (KUegI)
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Let me try this sgainFrom what I recall, what saved the dems was that they used their social media edge to get out the LIVs on election day. That made the difference.
What I did not buy was the claim that dem turnout would be the same as or higher than 2008. I was right, but it was NOT down enough for us to win. THAT is what surprised me.
What I did not buy was the claim that dem turnout would be the same as or higher than 2008. I was right, but it was NOT down enough for us to win. THAT is what surprised me.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (1JqUE)
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I would prefer for regular comenters be suspended not banned.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (iQIUe)
I would agree, but in reality, if someone wants back in, they can email to Maet or ace and plead their case.
The humility necessary to do that could be a "learning experience".
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (iQIUe)
I would agree, but in reality, if someone wants back in, they can email to Maet or ace and plead their case.
The humility necessary to do that could be a "learning experience".
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 16, 2016 10:16 AM (kKHcp)
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412 >>> 401 I've also seen stadiums full of enthusiastic supporters for Trump while Hillary's people paid for seat fillers. >>>
Sanders has huge crowds too. Doesn't mean he's going to beat Hillary.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (KUegI)
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yeah...stop using crowd size as an indicator for electoral success.
Howard Dean had big crowds too.
It's like yard signs. I saw way more yard signs in SC for Sanders than Clinton.
Did Sanders destroy Hillary in SC? Nope. It wasn't even close.
Sanders has huge crowds too. Doesn't mean he's going to beat Hillary.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (KUegI)
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yeah...stop using crowd size as an indicator for electoral success.
Howard Dean had big crowds too.
It's like yard signs. I saw way more yard signs in SC for Sanders than Clinton.
Did Sanders destroy Hillary in SC? Nope. It wasn't even close.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 10:16 AM (rJSDb)
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I would love to see HRC get the nomination and then be indicted on charges and have to drop out. The rage fueled histrionics of this odious woman would be karma in full bloom.
Posted by: Cheri at March 16, 2016 09:55 AM (oiNtH)
Would that result in a bigger Democrat turnout in sympathy for the replacement?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (p4UlV)
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There are so many ways to figure it. SO many. I see a Hillary indictment causing a cataclysm in the Democrat party that kills it for 2016 and beyond.
I also see Joe Biden seeing dead people and picking up votes by running on his sacred promise to his late son.
Posted by: Cheri at March 16, 2016 09:55 AM (oiNtH)
Would that result in a bigger Democrat turnout in sympathy for the replacement?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:56 AM (p4UlV)
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There are so many ways to figure it. SO many. I see a Hillary indictment causing a cataclysm in the Democrat party that kills it for 2016 and beyond.
I also see Joe Biden seeing dead people and picking up votes by running on his sacred promise to his late son.
Posted by: iforgot at March 16, 2016 10:16 AM (pC96u)
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Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (VdICR)
Good, solid movie. I wished they had not jumped the shark with the next ones....
Good, solid movie. I wished they had not jumped the shark with the next ones....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (Zu3d9)
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This piece was epic and made me happy! Go ACE!
Posted by: LegzzzAkimbo at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (659DL)
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Hillary would have been the worst -- but we found someone with even worse unfavorables, lucky us.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (dciA+)
All I'm trying to say is I think you're focusing too much on this one dataset. One that Trump doesn't care about, doesn't even begin to care about.
Is it possible that he can make the electorate respond to *his* vision of it? That by simply ignoring the HUD indicators that the dems use, and that we've adopted out of familiarity, despite racial divisions being an arbitrary political filter, voters will respond to his criteria? Economic criteria?
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (dciA+)
All I'm trying to say is I think you're focusing too much on this one dataset. One that Trump doesn't care about, doesn't even begin to care about.
Is it possible that he can make the electorate respond to *his* vision of it? That by simply ignoring the HUD indicators that the dems use, and that we've adopted out of familiarity, despite racial divisions being an arbitrary political filter, voters will respond to his criteria? Economic criteria?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (xuouz)
Posted by: H Clinton at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (aRUb8)
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>>>Yep. But that pretty much happened for me after Romney lost. I don't think that there is any fix for our problems.
yeah romney might have been the last chance.
that was a tough one.<<<
I think there is a lot of turmoil ahead and it would be good to spend some time thinking about how we are going to navigate through it outside of politics.The upheaval isnot avoidable.
The future needs morons.
>>>Yep. But that pretty much happened for me after Romney lost. I don't think that there is any fix for our problems.
yeah romney might have been the last chance.
that was a tough one.<<<
I think there is a lot of turmoil ahead and it would be good to spend some time thinking about how we are going to navigate through it outside of politics.The upheaval isnot avoidable.
The future needs morons.
Posted by: simplemind at March 16, 2016 10:18 AM (JTwsP)
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>>>Hillary would have been the worst -- but we found someone with even worse unfavorables, lucky us.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (dciA+)>>>
I actually think that independent voters don't like the cronyist marriage between government and business, so might be persuadable by Trump's message, if he weren't actually a big beneficiary of the cronyism. For the minimally engaged, he seems to be a rather poor vessel for such an argument.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (dciA+)>>>
I actually think that independent voters don't like the cronyist marriage between government and business, so might be persuadable by Trump's message, if he weren't actually a big beneficiary of the cronyism. For the minimally engaged, he seems to be a rather poor vessel for such an argument.
Posted by: gm at March 16, 2016 10:18 AM (K0tm3)
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To put things in perspective re: Trump's favorability numbers, right now he is roughly 10 points less popular than Bush was on Election Day 2008.
That did not end well.
That did not end well.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 16, 2016 10:21 AM (KUegI)
424
404
Hillary's coughing fits could be caused by high blood pressure medications. Apparently some of them do that.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (4ErVI)
Actually, its my dry, dead insides. Every move I make..every step I take, kicks up dust inside my dry, dead self. The bone dust is the worse.
Hillary's coughing fits could be caused by high blood pressure medications. Apparently some of them do that.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (4ErVI)
Actually, its my dry, dead insides. Every move I make..every step I take, kicks up dust inside my dry, dead self. The bone dust is the worse.
Posted by: H Clinton at March 16, 2016 10:21 AM (aRUb8)
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Well.... hell. They'd be doing that to whoever the nominee is.
So.Lets.Just.Fucking.Quit.Hands.Up.We.Surrender.
-or-
We could go back a few weeks in history and look at some imperical performances of Trump v Clinton and see if we can glean some insight to future exchanges.
CLINTONS: "Trumps War on Women!!!" Eleventy!!!
TRUMP: YOURE HUSBAND
CLINTONS: *crickets*
Bunch of damn eyeores.
I dont particularly like Trump. I was a Walker then a Cruz guy. But hes going to be the nominee.
So..... you got a choice to make.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (8XRCm)
THIS, THIS and THIS again. Don't buy the polls. In a head to head, Trump will defeat Shrillary, and frankly, his antics with the GOPee and in the White House will be downright *fun*.
I preferred Ted, and I wish Ted and the Donald could rekindle the bromance they seemed to have before Iowa and then Ted could be The Donald's Veep. Maybe that's dreaming.
So.Lets.Just.Fucking.Quit.Hands.Up.We.Surrender.
-or-
We could go back a few weeks in history and look at some imperical performances of Trump v Clinton and see if we can glean some insight to future exchanges.
CLINTONS: "Trumps War on Women!!!" Eleventy!!!
TRUMP: YOURE HUSBAND
CLINTONS: *crickets*
Bunch of damn eyeores.
I dont particularly like Trump. I was a Walker then a Cruz guy. But hes going to be the nominee.
So..... you got a choice to make.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (8XRCm)
THIS, THIS and THIS again. Don't buy the polls. In a head to head, Trump will defeat Shrillary, and frankly, his antics with the GOPee and in the White House will be downright *fun*.
I preferred Ted, and I wish Ted and the Donald could rekindle the bromance they seemed to have before Iowa and then Ted could be The Donald's Veep. Maybe that's dreaming.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 16, 2016 10:22 AM (ujg0T)
426
For the last time, Cruz will never survive the committee process let
alone a full vote from the senate. A zombie Scalia and Bork have a
better shot at it than a live Cruz, FFS!
Personality clash wise maybe, but what if they think "Hey it's a good vote for our record and he'll be out of our sandbox and he'll be doing the job we aren't"
alone a full vote from the senate. A zombie Scalia and Bork have a
better shot at it than a live Cruz, FFS!
Personality clash wise maybe, but what if they think "Hey it's a good vote for our record and he'll be out of our sandbox and he'll be doing the job we aren't"
Posted by: Just reread The Expanse at March 16, 2016 10:23 AM (DL2i+)
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>>if he weren't actually a big beneficiary of the cronyism
I think this becomes a matter of taste--which patronage system/redistributionism you find less objectionable. I guess I prefer Trump's more than Hers.
I think this becomes a matter of taste--which patronage system/redistributionism you find less objectionable. I guess I prefer Trump's more than Hers.
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 10:23 AM (Bdeb0)
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Ace, it's extremely reductive, but the LIV optics of a Clinton v Trump election would be mom vs dad.
Mom's a big bitch who says you need to sit down and behave so she can have a glass of wine, she has been working hard and she has earned this and don't you ruin it for her.
Dad is a TV star and he says he's gonna increase your allowance and beat up the bullies.
Unfavorables change.
Mom's a big bitch who says you need to sit down and behave so she can have a glass of wine, she has been working hard and she has earned this and don't you ruin it for her.
Dad is a TV star and he says he's gonna increase your allowance and beat up the bullies.
Unfavorables change.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 10:24 AM (xuouz)
429
Rule #1: The stock market will crash this year.
Almost impossible to be a crash in the stock market with govt intervention. Daily they have market breaks if there is a problem, and long term the fed will prop it up.
Rule #1: The stock market will crash this year.
Almost impossible to be a crash in the stock market with govt intervention. Daily they have market breaks if there is a problem, and long term the fed will prop it up.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 16, 2016 10:24 AM (ODxAs)
430
The Trumpettes are worse than 0bAMABOTS. That is saying something. I'm nt real sure I could even vote for the Trump anymore because of the Trumpettes, not Trump.
The Trumpettes are Paulians and Democrats and not much else.
The Trumpettes are Paulians and Democrats and not much else.
Posted by: Fish at March 16, 2016 10:25 AM (ES7V9)
431
Ace is too kind to us commenters, by explaining things.
Posted by: Draki at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (0eidE)
432
To put things in perspective re: Trump's favorability numbers, right now he is roughly 10 points less popular than Bush was on Election Day 2008.
That did not end well.
Point of order, Bush wasn't a candidate in that election.
That did not end well.
Point of order, Bush wasn't a candidate in that election.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (Bdeb0)
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I would prefer for regular comenters be suspended not banned
If you're going to lie about and defame the blog host what difference does it make if you're "a regular commenter?"
If you're going to lie about and defame the blog host what difference does it make if you're "a regular commenter?"
Posted by: Hadoop at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (2X7pN)
435
For the last time, Cruz will never survive the
committee process let alone a full vote from the senate. A zombie Scalia
and Bork have a better shot at it than a live Cruz, FFS!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:53 AM (p4UlV)
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That is what I am seeing. Maybe in 20 years Cruz would accept, but right now he is doing great work in the Senate (although I still have hope for the WH) and he is young enough to make a difference there.
Sadly, I see DT and HC in debate with DT losing badly to HC's batting eyes, sighs, circumlocutions, and fans claiming martyrdom against big bad meanie. Would prefer Cruz and think he could win against HC in the general -- with exquisite courtesy. DT could debate Sanders and it would make a great show with DT winning.
Still can't get over how OLD DT, HC and BS are. They could have all gone to high school together and from my perspective, have not grown morally or intellectually since then.
committee process let alone a full vote from the senate. A zombie Scalia
and Bork have a better shot at it than a live Cruz, FFS!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:53 AM (p4UlV)
___________
That is what I am seeing. Maybe in 20 years Cruz would accept, but right now he is doing great work in the Senate (although I still have hope for the WH) and he is young enough to make a difference there.
Sadly, I see DT and HC in debate with DT losing badly to HC's batting eyes, sighs, circumlocutions, and fans claiming martyrdom against big bad meanie. Would prefer Cruz and think he could win against HC in the general -- with exquisite courtesy. DT could debate Sanders and it would make a great show with DT winning.
Still can't get over how OLD DT, HC and BS are. They could have all gone to high school together and from my perspective, have not grown morally or intellectually since then.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (MIKMs)
436
Ace don't listen to these fucking lowlifes, and don't feel like you have to explain yourself.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (xuouz)
437
http://tinyurl.com/za5goaz
Gallup Net Favorable / Unfavorable
Trump R +27 I -27 D -70
Cruz R +51 I -3 D -37
Rubio R +46 I +4 D -28
Gallup Net Favorable / Unfavorable
Trump R +27 I -27 D -70
Cruz R +51 I -3 D -37
Rubio R +46 I +4 D -28
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (VdICR)
438
431 You are too stupid to comment in a moron forum...
Posted by: Mr Wizard at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (X/2ij)
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>>>160 And that Otherkinz person? Sweetie, you need to stop. If you have your knickers in a twist because Ace is enforcing His rules in His house, you need to toddle off.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:38 AM (7q2ch)
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Well, I nevah in all my days! Lord have mersah, sweetiepie! I'm pullin up my pantaloons an skeedaddlin off nah! Jus can't bear this confoundin comment section!
Rathah toddling off, ya hear? Scoot scootin away with my little tea todlin toddles, missah.
Posted by: Moki at March 16, 2016 09:38 AM (7q2ch)
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Well, I nevah in all my days! Lord have mersah, sweetiepie! I'm pullin up my pantaloons an skeedaddlin off nah! Jus can't bear this confoundin comment section!
Rathah toddling off, ya hear? Scoot scootin away with my little tea todlin toddles, missah.
Posted by: Otherkinz at March 16, 2016 10:28 AM (fMhOl)
440
Did anyone go back and see what McCain and Romney's favorable ratings were at this point in their elections.
Did the polls say we were going to win?
Did the polls say we were going to win?
Posted by: jwest at March 16, 2016 10:29 AM (Zs4uk)
441
Is this...thing speaking in tongues now? tea todlin toddles wtf
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 10:29 AM (xuouz)
442
Did you have to ban him? I found that the 'script approach' used to replace all of MUMR's posts hilariously entertaining.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 16, 2016 10:29 AM (UlI/7)
443
I'm actually holding out hope at an open convention. I think Cruz has a legitimate shot to be the winner in that case. He might the most palatable alternative for everyone. I'm sure this is what the campaign is thinking right now.
Follow the donor money. If the big money coalesces around Cruz, we have our answer.
Follow the donor money. If the big money coalesces around Cruz, we have our answer.
Posted by: Matty at March 16, 2016 10:30 AM (+ULpH)
444
399
>>>
Yeah, actually. Independent voters hate the GOP, with or without the (e).
no they don't. independents are not super-into the GOP but they
generally vote with us, as they did in 2012 (and we still lost, of
course).
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (dciA+)
Yes, they do. They might vote for us as the lesser evil, but if they liked us they would be Republicans.
Trump is winning because it's the economy, stupid. He is the only candidate who recognizes that America is in decline and wants to do something about it. *Every* other candidate, including super conservative Ted Cruz, either denies America is in decline or insists the decline is proper and inevitable and we all should just shut up and deal with it.
>>>
Yeah, actually. Independent voters hate the GOP, with or without the (e).
no they don't. independents are not super-into the GOP but they
generally vote with us, as they did in 2012 (and we still lost, of
course).
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (dciA+)
Yes, they do. They might vote for us as the lesser evil, but if they liked us they would be Republicans.
Trump is winning because it's the economy, stupid. He is the only candidate who recognizes that America is in decline and wants to do something about it. *Every* other candidate, including super conservative Ted Cruz, either denies America is in decline or insists the decline is proper and inevitable and we all should just shut up and deal with it.
Posted by: schizoid at March 16, 2016 10:30 AM (lC4lt)
445
Trump R +27 I -27 D -70
Cruz R +51 I -3 D -37
Rubio R +46 I +4 D -28
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (VdICR)
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Then how is Trump winning??
Im not trying to be an ass, but there seems to be a disconnect between your polling and reality.
Those numbers indicate that Rubio and Cruz should be duking it out, with Trump a distant third.
So.... what are they missing.?
Cruz R +51 I -3 D -37
Rubio R +46 I +4 D -28
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (VdICR)
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Then how is Trump winning??
Im not trying to be an ass, but there seems to be a disconnect between your polling and reality.
Those numbers indicate that Rubio and Cruz should be duking it out, with Trump a distant third.
So.... what are they missing.?
Posted by: fixerupper at March 16, 2016 10:30 AM (8XRCm)
446
I banned a guy in Reno. With a trident.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (Dttnn)
447
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=362175#c25003951 - Mine do make me cough, occasionally. And yet ... I don't have a private email server. Odd, that huh?
Posted by: benning at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (pttHf)
448
444 I'm actually holding out hope at an open convention. I think Cruz has a legitimate shot to be the winner in that case.
You think so, eh?
You think so, eh?
Posted by: jwest at March 16, 2016 10:32 AM (Zs4uk)
449
Some of you seem to think you actually are Donald Trump. If so, then follow his actual tactics: Declare bankruptcy and post illiterately unhinged tweets on Twitter.
Thanks for this, Ace. This is exactly why I keep coming back.
Thanks for this, Ace. This is exactly why I keep coming back.
Posted by: Joanne at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (hgBpU)
450
Fixerupper:
The GOP primary voter is too small a section of the voting public. The contrast in attitude is stark but there it is. Obama's approval rating is ~48%. That's the horrifying reality.
The GOP primary voter is too small a section of the voting public. The contrast in attitude is stark but there it is. Obama's approval rating is ~48%. That's the horrifying reality.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 10:36 AM (VdICR)
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"He is also a vindictive prick and he will use some of the new powers that Obama has appropriated to the Presidency to screw over many Democrats."
Based on what evidence? My main problem with Trump is that I think he's play-acting as a conservative. I don't think he is conservative in the least. I think he'd govern as an authoritarian Democrat. I don't see the huge difference between Trump and Hillary, to be honest, at least not enough to where voting him in to #StopHillary seems like it would make much of a difference.
This is why Cult of Trump is far worse than Cult of Obama in my mind: CoT stains everyone on my side.
Based on what evidence? My main problem with Trump is that I think he's play-acting as a conservative. I don't think he is conservative in the least. I think he'd govern as an authoritarian Democrat. I don't see the huge difference between Trump and Hillary, to be honest, at least not enough to where voting him in to #StopHillary seems like it would make much of a difference.
This is why Cult of Trump is far worse than Cult of Obama in my mind: CoT stains everyone on my side.
Posted by: holygoat at March 16, 2016 10:38 AM (ZgI/r)
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Sorry for the spacing problems. I have no idea how it works in the comment section and every time I post my little pearls of wisdom, the spacing changes in a different way.
At least in Illinois (my house 2 Cruz 1 Trump) Dondi and Katsh*t didn't take over, which was what the polling was suggesting.
At least in Illinois (my house 2 Cruz 1 Trump) Dondi and Katsh*t didn't take over, which was what the polling was suggesting.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 16, 2016 10:38 AM (MIKMs)
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Trump works for the Clintons.
Bill sent him to blow up the GOP because Hillary is otherwise unelectable.
Bill sent him to blow up the GOP because Hillary is otherwise unelectable.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (GOUHc)
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The GOP have been running on fumes for years. They keep going back to the same things - tax cuts! free trade! - and those have been played out.
They need something new, something to rally around, and PC and the Nanny State are two good villains to fight against. Why, that might rejuvenate the economy, succor the middle class, bring the non-governmental union workers* and the rest of the blue and pink collar workers over to them, building a new coalition for a new century!
Oh what am I saying? They are afraid of trying to win because they might fail, and by failing to try they guarantee the fail.
*Attacking PC and the Nanny State attacks the governmental unions directly - which hurts a foe.
They need something new, something to rally around, and PC and the Nanny State are two good villains to fight against. Why, that might rejuvenate the economy, succor the middle class, bring the non-governmental union workers* and the rest of the blue and pink collar workers over to them, building a new coalition for a new century!
Oh what am I saying? They are afraid of trying to win because they might fail, and by failing to try they guarantee the fail.
*Attacking PC and the Nanny State attacks the governmental unions directly - which hurts a foe.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 16, 2016 10:42 AM (hLRSq)
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>>>160 "Ace is enforcing His rules in His house..."
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Oh, how doth Ace blog so finely, in all His righteous glory, for the sake of all True Conservatives. In this most sacred of places He doth speak for all of us not-ancient-but elderly fatsos on rascals drawing Holy disability and pensions, young enough to still be working, but lame enough to not!
Amen!
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Oh, how doth Ace blog so finely, in all His righteous glory, for the sake of all True Conservatives. In this most sacred of places He doth speak for all of us not-ancient-but elderly fatsos on rascals drawing Holy disability and pensions, young enough to still be working, but lame enough to not!
Amen!
Posted by: Otherkinz at March 16, 2016 10:42 AM (fMhOl)
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Ghost of kari at 428: "...mom and dad..."
That's an interesting choice of analogy, kari.
Me? I'm not looking for another father or mother. One of each is plenty.
That's an interesting choice of analogy, kari.
Me? I'm not looking for another father or mother. One of each is plenty.
Posted by: Pastafarian at March 16, 2016 10:42 AM (pCf+a)
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Holygoat, yes I totally agree with your opinion. I think The Donald and The Clintons are very close, closer than anyone actually realizes. Bubba got Donald to run for president, probably to make sure his ball and chain wins it in a landslide. I still think that is possible. Donald will be a older white Obama as far as I'm concerned since we have absolutely no record of him actually staying with any one principle for more than an election season in his whole life.
Posted by: Jaimo at March 16, 2016 10:42 AM (9U1OG)
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>>>Post arguments and facts and even spin, but enough of using a public space as your EST primal screaming space.
Are vaguely sexist jokes still fair game?
Are vaguely sexist jokes still fair game?
Posted by: Phinn at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (fCWi3)
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Bill sent him to blow up the GOP because Hillary is otherwise unelectable.
You have NO evidence for this.
It's not enforceable.
Even if it's true couldn't he just look at the WINNING and say "Hey, why not POTUS Trump?"
You have NO evidence for this.
It's not enforceable.
Even if it's true couldn't he just look at the WINNING and say "Hey, why not POTUS Trump?"
Posted by: Just reread The Expanse at March 16, 2016 10:47 AM (DL2i+)
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Maybe it's a conspiracy.
Posted by: DaveA at March 16, 2016 10:48 AM (DL2i+)
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> Banning is quicker and cheaper and oh, so much more satisfying......
One problem, banning people isn't actually possible. You can block their username/email, and perhaps their IP, big deal, they come back with new names. And banning by IP is also a bit risky. Thousands of people could be behind a single IP address. You block an IP that is someone's phone for example, well that IP rotates around. So you aren't banning this user, you're blacklisting anybody that uses verizon or whatever.
One problem, banning people isn't actually possible. You can block their username/email, and perhaps their IP, big deal, they come back with new names. And banning by IP is also a bit risky. Thousands of people could be behind a single IP address. You block an IP that is someone's phone for example, well that IP rotates around. So you aren't banning this user, you're blacklisting anybody that uses verizon or whatever.
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 16, 2016 10:49 AM (t2wGq)
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McTurtle can't help himself. Why not just shut up, consider the SCOTUS nomination, and make sure the nomination doesn't get out of committee? How fcuking hard is that?
Posted by: Hadoop at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (2X7pN)
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"The retarded messianism of 2008 drove me up the wall, but the Cult of Trump is aggressively stupid."
I don't get the rules.
Not that it important.
I don't get the rules.
Not that it important.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 16, 2016 10:52 AM (3myMJ)
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I've been in the "Trump is a stalking horse" camp for ages. Maybe it got out of hand and he thought he might as well win, but if he did mean to be a stalking horse, he would not have been acting much differently.
As someone once said, what a stupid time to be alive. All I've got left is emotional pageantry, I can't see any way out of this mess.
As someone once said, what a stupid time to be alive. All I've got left is emotional pageantry, I can't see any way out of this mess.
Posted by: SarahW at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (3fTXW)
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Eh, so the Stupid Party is going full retard this cycle. Oh well.
Time to focus on work and family, good chance the GOP can retake the House and Senate in 2018.
Time to focus on work and family, good chance the GOP can retake the House and Senate in 2018.
Posted by: TallDave at March 16, 2016 10:55 AM (74ZYB)
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After 8 fucking years of a demagogue, are we really going to elect another one? Fuck Obama and tuck Trump and his threatened riots if he's not the nominee. I don't vote for tyrants. Freedom actually means something.
Posted by: Jon in TX at March 16, 2016 11:00 AM (US0cH)
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George Costanzia, "the sea was angry that day my friends".
Posted by: Buffalbob at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (8nL8o)
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I'm mostly a lurker. I come to this site after a quick scan of Drudge for headlines. I scan the offerings at Lucianne, Powerline and Michelle Malkin also.
I especially enjoy the scrappiness, wit and great insight of the people who comment. I gain a rounded view of the political situation with every permutation of the comments. Thank you, Ace, for providing this forum and for keeping it from descending into Twitter degeneracy.
I do wish that the F-word could be used VERY infrequently. If you have to resort to that, you lose the argument with me.
I like that I am in the company of people who are fed up with the direction of the country and the ineffectiveness of the GOP to get out a message that resonates with native Americans whose ancestors built this country ("We did build that, Obama!") . We owe a fight to preserve it to those who died young to provide and protect this incredible experiment in self-government for us and future generations.
I especially enjoy the scrappiness, wit and great insight of the people who comment. I gain a rounded view of the political situation with every permutation of the comments. Thank you, Ace, for providing this forum and for keeping it from descending into Twitter degeneracy.
I do wish that the F-word could be used VERY infrequently. If you have to resort to that, you lose the argument with me.
I like that I am in the company of people who are fed up with the direction of the country and the ineffectiveness of the GOP to get out a message that resonates with native Americans whose ancestors built this country ("We did build that, Obama!") . We owe a fight to preserve it to those who died young to provide and protect this incredible experiment in self-government for us and future generations.
Posted by: Margaret at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (F2qnR)
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I don't find the idea that Trump would spend all this time just to help Hillary get elected persuasive.
He's doing all this to end up looking like a loser on purpose?
Doesn't sound Trump-ish.
He's doing all this to end up looking like a loser on purpose?
Doesn't sound Trump-ish.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (3myMJ)
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Ace, you did what you could. Sorry you have to stick around for the whole flaming dumpster ride.
Posted by: TallDave at March 16, 2016 11:04 AM (74ZYB)
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**wipes brow**
Whew!
Helps me yet further appreciate the unearned generosity I've known here.
To be allowed to comment and be a part of an informed and intelligent discussion in SOMEONE ELSE'S forum/realm/home is a true privilege.
**wipes brow**
Whew!
Helps me yet further appreciate the unearned generosity I've known here.
To be allowed to comment and be a part of an informed and intelligent discussion in SOMEONE ELSE'S forum/realm/home is a true privilege.
Posted by: is this a test - no it's a Trump guy at March 16, 2016 11:05 AM (zhLKc)
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93. I second that!
Posted by: Martell at March 16, 2016 11:07 AM (8BSUZ)
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Posted by: Margaret at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (F2qnR)
*waves at Margaret*
Glad to have you. It seems you "get" this place.
*waves at Margaret*
Glad to have you. It seems you "get" this place.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 16, 2016 11:08 AM (1xUj/)
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Hee, hee you go girl I mean Sir. My neighbor was gushing over Obama the other day, informing me how ubber smart he is and how articulate he is blah blah blah. Then she started frothing at the mouth over Trump, I told her: Honey Trump is the result of the left and right ignoring the will of the people and eventually you have to wipe that smug prigal face off the elites both sides. I don't like Trump, but I understand how he grew from arid dirt scrabble.
Posted by: Rose at March 16, 2016 11:10 AM (304O4)
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453
Trump works for the Clintons.
Bill sent him to blow up the GOP because Hillary is otherwise unelectable.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (GOUHc)
I agree. We had one of the strongest lineups in decades. Bill Clinton calls Trump and suggests he run. WHY? When his wife was going to be running, why would he suggest a schmoozing billionaire to run against her?
Trump works for the Clintons.
Bill sent him to blow up the GOP because Hillary is otherwise unelectable.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (GOUHc)
I agree. We had one of the strongest lineups in decades. Bill Clinton calls Trump and suggests he run. WHY? When his wife was going to be running, why would he suggest a schmoozing billionaire to run against her?
Posted by: Mimzey at March 16, 2016 11:11 AM (aRUb8)
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People get carried away when it comes to politics. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at March 16, 2016 11:12 AM (gYfnZ)
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Posted by: jwest at March 16, 2016 10:29 AM (Zs4uk)
The polls were correct in 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, and 1984.
But if you go back 36 years, when polling was about 1/20th as prevalent, you can find an election where Reagan won despite trailing a poll early. Of course, Reagan was relatively unknown and didn't say things like "you have to treat women like shit."
Just relax, put your feet up, and toast marshmallows. Trump's going to keep throwing Valu-Rite-soaked hobos into this thing all year. As long as you're not emotionally invested in the race or the well-being of the country or your constitutional rights, it should be pretty funny.
The polls were correct in 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, and 1984.
But if you go back 36 years, when polling was about 1/20th as prevalent, you can find an election where Reagan won despite trailing a poll early. Of course, Reagan was relatively unknown and didn't say things like "you have to treat women like shit."
Just relax, put your feet up, and toast marshmallows. Trump's going to keep throwing Valu-Rite-soaked hobos into this thing all year. As long as you're not emotionally invested in the race or the well-being of the country or your constitutional rights, it should be pretty funny.
Posted by: TallDave at March 16, 2016 11:13 AM (74ZYB)
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34 I don't care if you vote for Trump or not. We're losing either way.
I had to stop reading the establishment sites today because I got sick of their bullshit, too. I don't want to hear them whine more.
But I've fucking had it to my back-teeth with the Trump Brigade's self-purported "Authenticity Privilege" and their insane idea that they're the "Real Americans" and therefore get to bully and insult everyone else.
Stop.
Acting.
Like.
Fucking.
Thugs.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:16 AM (dciA+)
Don't visit hotgas.net then. You might have an aneurysm.
I had to stop reading the establishment sites today because I got sick of their bullshit, too. I don't want to hear them whine more.
But I've fucking had it to my back-teeth with the Trump Brigade's self-purported "Authenticity Privilege" and their insane idea that they're the "Real Americans" and therefore get to bully and insult everyone else.
Stop.
Acting.
Like.
Fucking.
Thugs.
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 09:16 AM (dciA+)
Don't visit hotgas.net then. You might have an aneurysm.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at March 16, 2016 11:15 AM (Ngwkv)
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I saw Victimization Envy open for Emotional Pageantry in 2005.
Shoot, meme aside, I wish I played something other than the flute. I really, really, REALLY want to start a band called Victimization Envy.
Shoot, meme aside, I wish I played something other than the flute. I really, really, REALLY want to start a band called Victimization Envy.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at March 16, 2016 11:15 AM (N9gZs)
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He's doing all this to end up looking like a loser on purpose?
Doesn't sound Trump-ish.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (3myMJ)
To a malignant narcissist THEY never are to blame, and as Trump would tell you, he NEVER loses.That being said, what exactly would he lose? IMO, he would stand to lose much much more if the crony capitalist system was overturned.
Doesn't sound Trump-ish.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (3myMJ)
To a malignant narcissist THEY never are to blame, and as Trump would tell you, he NEVER loses.That being said, what exactly would he lose? IMO, he would stand to lose much much more if the crony capitalist system was overturned.
Posted by: Mimzey at March 16, 2016 11:17 AM (aRUb8)
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Moreover, commenting here being a privilege, the host and his co-hosts are obviously not required to produce a reason or apply a consistent standard before revoking that privilege.
- And yet, they invariably attempt to apply a consistent standard to all for what counts as acceptable commenting.
And on top of that, they tend to be overly generous at pardoning those whom they perceive to have crossed that standard.
Moreover, commenting here being a privilege, the host and his co-hosts are obviously not required to produce a reason or apply a consistent standard before revoking that privilege.
- And yet, they invariably attempt to apply a consistent standard to all for what counts as acceptable commenting.
And on top of that, they tend to be overly generous at pardoning those whom they perceive to have crossed that standard.
Posted by: is this a test - no it's a Trump guy at March 16, 2016 11:18 AM (zhLKc)
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Holy crap, I just jumped on here to say I love Ace's smackdowns of trolls, but I see we've already got 500 comments in about 3 hours! On a banning thread. In the middle of the work day, a day before March Madness starts.
I love the morons here. (The trolls and Hotair rejects, not so much...)
I love the morons here. (The trolls and Hotair rejects, not so much...)
Posted by: OSUsux at March 16, 2016 11:18 AM (DFXmi)
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Here in Lake County IL, I have watched a formerly solidly Republican county switch to slightly Democrat over the last 45 years. Using the primary ballot choice for determining voter preferences, it is clear that the last bastion of conservative voters tends to be in the 70-80+ age range. When campaign volunteers walk the precincts and report back to their campaigns, the group younger than 70 are leaning toward the more liberal candidates in the primary.
This does not bode well. We have the third generation of propagandized voters plus the illegals (no one has to show proof of citizenship in IL to vote, just a utility bill as proof of residency) to overcome conservative voters.
Some good news: the older immigrants from former Communist countries are vehemently opposed to socialism. Sadly, younger Polish immigrants are less opposed since they didn't suffer from the Russian/Soviet oppression.
People who don't live and die politics kind of like the idea of government being there as a back up in case they run into trouble. It's very hard to buck that desire to be protected.
This does not bode well. We have the third generation of propagandized voters plus the illegals (no one has to show proof of citizenship in IL to vote, just a utility bill as proof of residency) to overcome conservative voters.
Some good news: the older immigrants from former Communist countries are vehemently opposed to socialism. Sadly, younger Polish immigrants are less opposed since they didn't suffer from the Russian/Soviet oppression.
People who don't live and die politics kind of like the idea of government being there as a back up in case they run into trouble. It's very hard to buck that desire to be protected.
Posted by: Margaret at March 16, 2016 11:18 AM (F2qnR)
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Amen, brother. Preach it.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at March 16, 2016 11:19 AM (laMCB)
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I love the smell of Bannings in the morning!
Posted by: Doomed 2 Kaboom! at March 16, 2016 11:20 AM (E/DSu)
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I nominate Ace for Poet Laureate of the HQ!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 16, 2016 11:26 AM (wYnyS)
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 16, 2016 11:30 AM (wYnyS)
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Best post ever. Almost as if someone was poaching Aces personal hobo farm.
I am just going to sit here in the corner and eat my shite samich just as I have done since 1988.
I am just going to sit here in the corner and eat my shite samich just as I have done since 1988.
Posted by: TheGarbone at March 16, 2016 11:31 AM (of+54)
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I love the morons here. (The trolls and Hotair rejects, not so much...)
Posted by: OSUsux at March 16, 2016 11:18 AM (DFXmi)
I agree, and as I've pointed out before, some of those HotAir derps are really annoying and can be a smudge and smear on our long established home here. I tend to just ignore them.
Posted by: OSUsux at March 16, 2016 11:18 AM (DFXmi)
I agree, and as I've pointed out before, some of those HotAir derps are really annoying and can be a smudge and smear on our long established home here. I tend to just ignore them.
Posted by: Definately Not Mimzey at March 16, 2016 11:36 AM (aRUb8)
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P.T. Barnum Trump must be loving all of this crap.
Posted by: Gene Kelly at March 16, 2016 11:38 AM (xZc4z)
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I am just going to sit here in the corner and eat my shite samich just as I have done since 1988.
Posted by: TheGarbone at March 16, 2016 11:31 AM (of+54)
Thats a BIG samich....pass some this way.
Posted by: TheGarbone at March 16, 2016 11:31 AM (of+54)
Thats a BIG samich....pass some this way.
Posted by: Salvador Dali at March 16, 2016 11:38 AM (aRUb8)
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Thats a BIG samich....pass some this way.
Posted by: Salvador Dali at March 16, 2016 11:38 AM (aRUb
Save some for me!
Posted by: Salvador Dali at March 16, 2016 11:38 AM (aRUb
Save some for me!
Posted by: Hitler at March 16, 2016 11:39 AM (aRUb8)
Posted by: David, Infamous Sockpuppet at March 16, 2016 11:43 AM (sSYNh)
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I liked the threads which say "Post your political comments here" while up above there was something else-gardening, food, pets, etc.. That way, even people who can be annoying as heck sometimes when they're really angry could show another side, a humorous, engaging, interesting side- because you can't really be angry at someone who is discussing their dog or cat or what dinner they are making. All politics all the time makes people all too one dimensional.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 16, 2016 11:44 AM (w4NZ8)
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I can't help thinking that America is on some kind of really bad acid trip with Trump and I keep hoping we'll all wake up and everything is OK but right now it's not because there are snakes coming out of my televsion. Snakes! Poisonous snakes!
Posted by: Tantor at March 16, 2016 11:47 AM (SAV4V)
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THANK YOU, Ace!!
Posted by: curtmilr at March 16, 2016 11:53 AM (nXZfy)
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Protect the block!
Posted by: IanDeal at March 16, 2016 11:57 AM (teGBX)
Posted by: jnials at March 16, 2016 12:01 PM (HQTz6)
Posted by: goozer at March 16, 2016 12:03 PM (bOuUd)
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I've decided that although I hate Trump, I have hated Obama even more, so living with a President I hate really isn't anything new. And it will be so much fun watching the left go apoplectic every day he is in office! That'll keep me laughing, I think.
As far as the good of the country? Fuck this country, any outcome that I would think is "good" is no longer in play. So what the hell, let it be something I enjoy.
btw, for those who think Trump will lose to Hillary - all of those arguments are the same as the ones that said Trump would lose to Jeb. Love him or hate him, Trump is going to destroy Hillary, because that's what will stroke his ego the most, and that's what he's best at.
And it IS going to be fun to watch.
As far as the good of the country? Fuck this country, any outcome that I would think is "good" is no longer in play. So what the hell, let it be something I enjoy.
btw, for those who think Trump will lose to Hillary - all of those arguments are the same as the ones that said Trump would lose to Jeb. Love him or hate him, Trump is going to destroy Hillary, because that's what will stroke his ego the most, and that's what he's best at.
And it IS going to be fun to watch.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 16, 2016 12:03 PM (/jecC)
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Shoot, meme aside, I wish I played something other
than the flute. I really, really, REALLY want to start a band called
Victimization Envy.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at March 16, 2016 11:15 AM (N9gZs)
You play the flute? Hey baby, wanna run a few scales on my skin flute? It's the best flute...the best.
than the flute. I really, really, REALLY want to start a band called
Victimization Envy.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at March 16, 2016 11:15 AM (N9gZs)
You play the flute? Hey baby, wanna run a few scales on my skin flute? It's the best flute...the best.
Posted by: Donald Trump at March 16, 2016 12:07 PM (aRUb8)
502
Oh look.... it's a little green football... I wonder where this thing came from...
Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at March 16, 2016 12:07 PM (jPDuP)
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383. Agree. I want a street fighter. A cage fighter. Someone who will take it to the left as nasty and vicious as they have taken it to us.
Posted by: Martell at March 16, 2016 12:23 PM (8BSUZ)
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502
Oh look.... it's a little green football... I wonder where this thing came from...
Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at March 16, 2016 12:07 PM (jPDuP)
Whats it smell like?
Oh look.... it's a little green football... I wonder where this thing came from...
Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at March 16, 2016 12:07 PM (jPDuP)
Whats it smell like?
Posted by: Creepy old man at March 16, 2016 12:24 PM (aRUb8)
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503
383. Agree. I want a street fighter. A cage fighter. Someone who will
take it to the left as nasty and vicious as they have taken it to us.
Posted by: Martell at March 16, 2016 12:23 PM (8BSUZ)
And then what? After the "Here's a big spitball back at ya!" shtick, then what?
383. Agree. I want a street fighter. A cage fighter. Someone who will
take it to the left as nasty and vicious as they have taken it to us.
Posted by: Martell at March 16, 2016 12:23 PM (8BSUZ)
And then what? After the "Here's a big spitball back at ya!" shtick, then what?
Posted by: Mr. Rational at March 16, 2016 12:26 PM (aRUb8)
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This is not LGF asshat
Posted by: ThunderB at March 16, 2016 12:28 PM (zOTsN)
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I was born in a communist country. Grew up in abject fear that anything I said as a child would be used by the communist government to disappear and imprison my parents. I see the trajectory the left has been following in this country, and I tell you: They won't stop, they will not think twice about killing as many people as it takes. In this country. To achieve their goals and impose their ideology. The belief that a kind conservative, a diplomat, a uniter should be our nominee again hasn't worked in the last elections. We are past the point where it would work.
Posted by: Martell at March 16, 2016 12:32 PM (8BSUZ)
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I'm sorry ace, but
"Emotional Pageantry"
I am shamelessly ripping that off. It's too good not to share.
"Emotional Pageantry"
I am shamelessly ripping that off. It's too good not to share.
Posted by: Saber Alter at March 16, 2016 12:34 PM (LSf1v)
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Just for the record, I am a Cruz supporter, but I like the shit Trump is stirring up.
With that said, is it me or are some of the Trumpiacs just retread Pauliacs from 4 years ago?
With that said, is it me or are some of the Trumpiacs just retread Pauliacs from 4 years ago?
Posted by: Mr Minority at March 16, 2016 12:36 PM (KgLOa)
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Trump is not my candidate. He is my murder weapon. My victim is the GOPe. We good now?
To put it another way: After the betrayal of 2014, I want the Republican party destroyed. It was their last chance. They spat in my face.
They can fry down to ash - to hell with the Neo-Whigs forever, and no, I don't really give a sh*t about the consequences.
Seems that millions of people agree with my appraisal of the situation, and we're getting together to stuff Trump up the establishment's arse.
Let is burn was 2012.
2016 is HELP IT BURN.
I am going to do just that. Kill the RepubliCANT's dead, and we have the 2nd amendment for the remediation of overreaching leftwingers.
And yes, I am prepared to die, kill, suffer and lose every single worldly possession, up to and including family. It's liberating not giving a sh*t anymore.
Revenge ain't much, but it t'ain't nothing either.
To put it another way: After the betrayal of 2014, I want the Republican party destroyed. It was their last chance. They spat in my face.
They can fry down to ash - to hell with the Neo-Whigs forever, and no, I don't really give a sh*t about the consequences.
Seems that millions of people agree with my appraisal of the situation, and we're getting together to stuff Trump up the establishment's arse.
Let is burn was 2012.
2016 is HELP IT BURN.
I am going to do just that. Kill the RepubliCANT's dead, and we have the 2nd amendment for the remediation of overreaching leftwingers.
And yes, I am prepared to die, kill, suffer and lose every single worldly possession, up to and including family. It's liberating not giving a sh*t anymore.
Revenge ain't much, but it t'ain't nothing either.
Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at March 16, 2016 12:43 PM (fr2Zm)
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You know, Ace, over at HotAir they were having the same problems with their commenters. Bet you could try the same solution for having a readership you don't like. You could even question the dozen or so commenters they've got left over there and see how things are working out for Morrissey and AP. I gather their site is now just the way they want it. Empty, boring and compliant.
Posted by: Out of Here at March 16, 2016 12:48 PM (c22rM)
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"What the hell kind of illiterate gets on the internet to give the world a recap of his recent emotional travails?"
You?
You?
Posted by: Ace of Hearts at March 16, 2016 12:50 PM (ZxmMG)
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At this point, I dare say that the *best* possible outcome would be:
- Cruz gets the Brokered Nomination, and Trump decides to go Third Party out of spite.
- Hillary(!) gets the Nomination (courtesy of Superdelegates), and Sanders goes Third Fourth party (since when is he a Democrat, anyway?).
Four-way election, with one good outcome, two* "acceptable" outcomes, and one in which I hope all his supporters are too stoned to make it to the polls on Election Day.
*I think Hillary(!) is an "acceptable" option, because Conservatives have been dealing with her ever since the days of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy". Devil you know, and all that. Sanders is actually a "True Believer", and that scares the crap out of me.
- Cruz gets the Brokered Nomination, and Trump decides to go Third Party out of spite.
- Hillary(!) gets the Nomination (courtesy of Superdelegates), and Sanders goes Third Fourth party (since when is he a Democrat, anyway?).
Four-way election, with one good outcome, two* "acceptable" outcomes, and one in which I hope all his supporters are too stoned to make it to the polls on Election Day.
*I think Hillary(!) is an "acceptable" option, because Conservatives have been dealing with her ever since the days of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy". Devil you know, and all that. Sanders is actually a "True Believer", and that scares the crap out of me.
Posted by: ConservativeRumors at March 16, 2016 12:52 PM (uPFik)
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Ah poor little cuck Ace.
Posted by: John J Hnosko at March 16, 2016 12:58 PM (5r7pe)
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And now Kasich drops out of the debate, and it is cancelled. The end of dumping on Trump. It was a silly idea to have another debate. Cruz is trying very hard to bash Trump, but now he won't have a live TV audience to try.
Let's just continue on to March 22nd and see what happens, shall we?
Let's just continue on to March 22nd and see what happens, shall we?
Posted by: K-E at March 16, 2016 12:58 PM (69sTo)
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I'm late to the post, and no one will read this, but what the hell.
Look, I'm not supporting candidate X because he is my future leader and savior. I look at all politicians as job applicants. And we are their potential employers interviewing them. At work, if an applicant comes in for an interview, and the boss next to me says "The guy seemed like a loser". I'd say "I kinda liked him. Why do you think he is a loser?" I wouldn't be personally offended that we disagreed, I'd be interested in why we disagree - maybe he is seeing something I'm not. I sure don't want to hire a loser, or someone who won't work well in the company. It would never even occur to me to fight about the difference of opinion.
See, that is what is messed up about politics becoming personal - you a ceding the fact that you are not the boss of the guy who gets elected right up front - he is the boss of you. You are forced to support him because he controls you, not the other way around. I can't abide that.
Look, I'm not supporting candidate X because he is my future leader and savior. I look at all politicians as job applicants. And we are their potential employers interviewing them. At work, if an applicant comes in for an interview, and the boss next to me says "The guy seemed like a loser". I'd say "I kinda liked him. Why do you think he is a loser?" I wouldn't be personally offended that we disagreed, I'd be interested in why we disagree - maybe he is seeing something I'm not. I sure don't want to hire a loser, or someone who won't work well in the company. It would never even occur to me to fight about the difference of opinion.
See, that is what is messed up about politics becoming personal - you a ceding the fact that you are not the boss of the guy who gets elected right up front - he is the boss of you. You are forced to support him because he controls you, not the other way around. I can't abide that.
Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at March 16, 2016 01:11 PM (dEwvU)
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I stopped commenting on some blogs because it had gotten so nasty. I landed here because it seemed less hostile. My favorite site got to the point that you needed an asbestos suit to comment against Trump. Well said Ace. Well said.
Posted by: Gardenjilly at March 16, 2016 01:17 PM (N7dLB)
Posted by: Hawkins Aquinas (new name) at March 16, 2016 01:18 PM (TZYqp)
519
Good for you. Ride the barbarians down.
Posted by: TOF at March 16, 2016 01:39 PM (CuTfa)
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But I've fucking had it to my back-teeth with the Trump Brigade's
self-purported "Authenticity Privilege" and their insane idea that
they're the "Real Americans" and therefore get to bully and insult
everyone else.
This right here.
self-purported "Authenticity Privilege" and their insane idea that
they're the "Real Americans" and therefore get to bully and insult
everyone else.
This right here.
Posted by: SGT Ted at March 16, 2016 01:51 PM (fyPbN)
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"Emotional Pageantry"
Damn, you mean this isn't a 'safe space'?
Damn, you mean this isn't a 'safe space'?
Posted by: M240H at March 16, 2016 01:56 PM (CmB/r)
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Cruz man here. As Padrino said "Also, what are those polls going to look like after Trump has spent weeks ridiculing Hillary for Benghazi"
All I can say is Hillary may win, but it won't be without a bloodletting. People will know exactly what they are getting (and maybe more, too).
I DO NOT like Trump, but I could see him winning because he will not hesitate to get down to the Dem level.
All I can say is Hillary may win, but it won't be without a bloodletting. People will know exactly what they are getting (and maybe more, too).
I DO NOT like Trump, but I could see him winning because he will not hesitate to get down to the Dem level.
Posted by: FITP at March 16, 2016 02:19 PM (8koq8)
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Bra - freaking - vo!
Posted by: Gunga at March 16, 2016 02:23 PM (d2uxz)
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469
I don't find the idea that Trump would spend all this time just to help Hillary get elected persuasive.
He's doing all this to end up looking like a loser on purpose?
Doesn't sound Trump-ish.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (3myMJ)
=-=-=-=Remember, we're talking about "Mr. Art of the Deal" here. His candidacy may well have been the equivalent of an "In-Kind" donation to the Clinton Foundation.
Of course, since his campaign took off, I don't know that his ego would allow him to actually *throw* the election.
I don't find the idea that Trump would spend all this time just to help Hillary get elected persuasive.
He's doing all this to end up looking like a loser on purpose?
Doesn't sound Trump-ish.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (3myMJ)
=-=-=-=Remember, we're talking about "Mr. Art of the Deal" here. His candidacy may well have been the equivalent of an "In-Kind" donation to the Clinton Foundation.
Of course, since his campaign took off, I don't know that his ego would allow him to actually *throw* the election.
Posted by: ConservativeRumors at March 16, 2016 02:25 PM (uPFik)
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BTW - The constant flagrant violation of the eleventh commandment this cycle is going to hand it all, including the Supremes, to Grandma Crazypants.
Posted by: Gunga at March 16, 2016 02:32 PM (d2uxz)
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Trump gets obliterated in the general.
He is lucky its Hillary or he would lose all 50 states.
You dont have a clue what is coming if you think Trump has a chance.
He is the worst candidate possible. His big mouth has been flapping for years, and his corrupt business record cannot be hidden.
Clinton would lose to any other GOP candidate, but Trump is a psychopathic, pathological liar who will only alienate every single possible swing voter by November.
Sure his fan club only gets more rabid when he is outed every 15 minutes, as a no nothing douche, but that and a dollar gets you zero electoral votes.
Its going to be a blood bath.
Meanwhile, we had the most conservative candidate since Reagan sitting right there.
Meanwhile, meanwhile, the GOPe will be right back in charge of the opposition once Hillary takes office.
Im sure there will be a thousand books about how predictable it all was.....
Thanks for the room to vent, Ace.
He is lucky its Hillary or he would lose all 50 states.
You dont have a clue what is coming if you think Trump has a chance.
He is the worst candidate possible. His big mouth has been flapping for years, and his corrupt business record cannot be hidden.
Clinton would lose to any other GOP candidate, but Trump is a psychopathic, pathological liar who will only alienate every single possible swing voter by November.
Sure his fan club only gets more rabid when he is outed every 15 minutes, as a no nothing douche, but that and a dollar gets you zero electoral votes.
Its going to be a blood bath.
Meanwhile, we had the most conservative candidate since Reagan sitting right there.
Meanwhile, meanwhile, the GOPe will be right back in charge of the opposition once Hillary takes office.
Im sure there will be a thousand books about how predictable it all was.....
Thanks for the room to vent, Ace.
Posted by: Alec j at March 16, 2016 02:48 PM (fq7l4)
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Today, AceofSpadesHQ joins the ranks of Little Green Footballs
Posted by: Chucky at March 16, 2016 03:50 PM (zAPVY)
528
I believe I may have the vapors.
Posted by: BamaBubba at March 16, 2016 04:07 PM (vKTRb)
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What a whiny little bitch you are.
Posted by: mortimer snerd at March 16, 2016 04:58 PM (qnbZn)
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trump will get blown out in an election,
***
just like in the primaries. fear him not, ace. he is the product of the eGOP. he is in to win and watch, he will. and he will make America great again. he is doing it because he cares. he is already more pampered than Barky, has a wife that is to die for in beauty and character, raised good kids, and is as comfortable as one can be. now, he is risking life, busting his ass 24/7 at 70 years old. why? for ego? no, because he shares your view of the left and establishment. he may surprise you.
***
just like in the primaries. fear him not, ace. he is the product of the eGOP. he is in to win and watch, he will. and he will make America great again. he is doing it because he cares. he is already more pampered than Barky, has a wife that is to die for in beauty and character, raised good kids, and is as comfortable as one can be. now, he is risking life, busting his ass 24/7 at 70 years old. why? for ego? no, because he shares your view of the left and establishment. he may surprise you.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 16, 2016 05:39 PM (g1MTt)
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Prithee, sirrah, for I intend to taunt thee!
(clears throat, scuffs toe in the dirt)
Your Hobo was a Hamster!
Your Valu-Rite smells of Elderberries!
(affects smug posture)
I HotAir in your general direction!
(makes nasally snorting sounds and disappears behind the parapet)
(clears throat, scuffs toe in the dirt)
Your Hobo was a Hamster!
Your Valu-Rite smells of Elderberries!
(affects smug posture)
I HotAir in your general direction!
(makes nasally snorting sounds and disappears behind the parapet)
Posted by: Jimmy don\'t play that at March 16, 2016 06:58 PM (F5OyJ)
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Drumpf is a piece of shit pederast with daddy issues and latent penis envy.
Anyone has problem with that, I'm in Hollywood at Melrose and Normandie. Drop by and we'll sit a spell.
Anyone has problem with that, I'm in Hollywood at Melrose and Normandie. Drop by and we'll sit a spell.
Posted by: Eric in Hollywood at March 16, 2016 07:06 PM (VD+3z)
533
Love the statement. It's an argument, doesn't mean it's a license to attack people personally.
And life is too short to have Trump as president.
And life is too short to have Trump as president.
Posted by: Bill at March 16, 2016 08:01 PM (WTVug)
534
Trump will crush Hillary. Even the Dems can't stand her.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at March 16, 2016 08:19 PM (AyOYp)
535
Since Hot Air went-whatever the frack it went-I've been without a blog home. too many supposedly conservative blogs have been over-run by the Branch Trumpidians
I'd been avoiding here because this place can get pretty ribald-and I'm just your typical sweet little all-America...psycho broad next door.
Since a little bird mentioned to me that Ace(who is great and holy) is a Cruzer...well then.
Eff it. I'm in!
I'd been avoiding here because this place can get pretty ribald-and I'm just your typical sweet little all-America...psycho broad next door.
Since a little bird mentioned to me that Ace(who is great and holy) is a Cruzer...well then.
Eff it. I'm in!
Posted by: annoyinglittletwerp at March 16, 2016 08:46 PM (yBKiN)
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FYI folks...HotAir's community reconvened at hotgas.net. Feel free to join us there.
Posted by: fossten at March 16, 2016 09:37 PM (fCk80)
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I don't know but I will be out in the streets just as often as possible if Trump or Cruz is not selected as President.
I've seen enough at 48 years old to understand that my 5 yr old and newborn will not have near the same well-being that I enjoyed when I was their age.
Look at the bright side though, I will rejoin the Republican party because I realize that there are enough people who share my values (even if the GOPe does not).
I've seen enough at 48 years old to understand that my 5 yr old and newborn will not have near the same well-being that I enjoyed when I was their age.
Look at the bright side though, I will rejoin the Republican party because I realize that there are enough people who share my values (even if the GOPe does not).
Posted by: Kyle P at March 16, 2016 09:52 PM (JGmJY)
Posted by: annoyinglittletwerp at March 16, 2016 09:52 PM (yBKiN)
539
This site has comments? Who knew?
Posted by: Barry Jacobs at March 16, 2016 09:58 PM (TgJeP)
540
I stopped reading this blog for awhile as it was getting to nasty...when it use to be fun to read. I don't understand this...it better be Cruz or I'm not gonna vote...mentality. I thought the goal was to defeat the Democrats. Not join them. I like Trump. If Cruz wins I will vote for him.
Posted by: Eileen at March 16, 2016 11:46 PM (te778)
Posted by: fossten at March 17, 2016 07:44 PM (fCk80)
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