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Trump: I'm Not Doing the Debate on Monday, and Also, There'll Be Riots If I'm Not the Nominee

He's too busy giving a "major speech" on Monday to whoever it is he has to schedule a speech for on Monday.

“Nobody told me about debates. As you saw I thought the last debate on CNN was the last debate," Trump said on Wednesday morning.

"I'm doing a major speech in front of a very important group of people that night," Trump said, adding that it had been "scheduled a while ago."

"I think it's enough," he added, about the dozen debates the Republican candidates have participated in so far.

I saw that interview. I don't think he actually mentioned who this very important group of people were. It turns out it's AIPAC, which is having a conference from Sunday through Tuesday. I'm pretty sure they could move his speech from one day to another.

But of course Trump just doesn't want to do the debate -- for obvious reasons.






And then he started talking about his own riots.

"I think we'll win before getting to the convention, but I can tell you, if we didn’t and if we're 20 votes short or if we’re 100 short and we’re at 1,100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400 cause we’re way ahead of everybody, I don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically," Trump said on CNN on Wednesday. "I think you'd have riots."

"I wouldn't lead it, but I think bad things would happen," Trump said, adding the outcome would "disenfranchise" his supporters.

Nice Reichtag you got here. Be a shame if somethin' 'appened to it.

I love being threatened.

If Obama said something like this -- if he said, "If my Supreme Court nominee isn't given an up or down vote, I think we'd have riots; I wouldn't lead it, but I think bad things would happen; that would disenfranchise my voters" -- what would you say about that?

Would you nod along and say "You tell 'em, Obama. You rattle that saber about the mob uprisings you could stir."

Or would you say: "Why does this shady interloper believe he has the right to threaten me?"

Well, I guess having one standard is a pussy thing now.

Posted by: Ace at 10:57 AM




Comments

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1 Grant was a fairly lousy human being, and all things considered McClellan was considered a fairly decent one. But one man actually fought. Perhaps some suspect that even if Trump is disordered like Grant...at least he fights. And look my preference is Cruz, and there is no doubt Cruz fights. BUT Lincoln too overlooked a ton of faults because Grant fought.

Posted by: gov98 at March 16, 2016 08:58 AM (d9LVc)

2 Um...are the comments acting weird for anyone else

Posted by: Jenny Wonders If She's Invisible at March 16, 2016 09:01 AM (eJjmS)

3 Someone is pissed. I'm just worried.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at March 16, 2016 10:00 AM (jIgQw)

4 Ace en fuego!

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (SCcgT)

5 I haven't watched FNC in ages, but I did turn it on last night to watch the returns. The main thing that struck me about Megyn and quite a few of her cohorts, is that they have botoxed every last inch of their face. It's so odd watching their mouths move, and their eyes blink, but other than that . . . totally frozen. It's almost like watching mannequins speak.

Brit Hume looked fantastic, though.

Are we going to discuss Obama's new Supreme pick?

Posted by: Scout at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (fCWi3)

6 Yeah, Lincoln appointing Trump because he fights might be surprised to find out he fights for the Confederacy.

Posted by: RD Walker at March 16, 2016 10:01 AM (ImpgP)

7 ...after a Commie Dictator, Obongo, let's have a Fascist Dictator, El Trumpo, to even up the destruction and despair!

Posted by: marcus tullius cicero at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (SmCFT)

8 So the Donald is playing Prevent Defense on the debate issue.

I like how he absolves himself if something happens, just sayin. Quite the pompous douchebag.

If he is the nominee i dont know what I willd o

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (voOPb)

9 Im honestly still too irritated with Rubio and his voters this morning to jump to the next Trump controversy. Of course we can expect the idiots in congress to fold to Obama and confirm his SC nominee, so I've got that rage simmering on the back burner ready to boil over at a moment's notice.

Basically, what I'm saying is, we're dooooomed.

Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (nA6C8)

10 I'm sure Trump will follow up with a "I'll sue" if he doesn't get the nomination.

Your kinda big on "contracts" Donald, I guess you should of read the fine print of the Convention rules before you started your "Sherman march".

I can't wait for for the "Donald Whine"

Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (hdpay)

11 I demand my own riots!!!11eleventy!!!1

Posted by: Crazed ReichtWinger at March 16, 2016 10:03 AM (INxoa)

12 Well I imagine the left is going to riot via BLM and others no matter who our nominee is, so might as well have some riots on our side. Riot party!

Posted by: BacktoGA at March 16, 2016 10:04 AM (QUl0c)

13 I wonder if Cruz and Kasich will still attend the debates?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (so+oy)

14 FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) -- Facing a backlash from Appalachian Democrats, Hillary Clinton's campaign on Monday tried to reaffirm her commitment to coal communities one day after declaring on national television she was going to "to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."

...

Brian Fallon, Clinton's national press secretary, said Republicans were trying to twist Clinton's words. But later in the day, the Clinton campaign released a statement that appeared to walk back her comments that she would put coal miners and coal companies out of business.

"Coal will remain a part of the energy mix for years to come, and we have a shared responsibility to ensure that coal communities receive the benefits they have earned-and can build the future they deserve," she said.

Posted by: Hillary "she's too big to jail" Clinton at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (e8kgV)

15 Obama said in the 2008 primary there would be blood on the streets if he was denied the nomination.
But don't let that stop the false narrative you're creating.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (w46Mb)

16 Also, I thought Tucker Carlson had some great points last night (which are points that he made in an article a few months ago). It was to say to the GOPe, instead of trying to overcome Trump, you need to learn to incorporate his message. Your voters are telling you they are UNHAPPY with the trade agreements, they're UNHAPPY with what you've done on immigration. LISTEN TO THEM.

I think it's too late now, though, which is a damn shame. I'm not a Trump-ite, but I do think immigration is the most important issue facing us today. If Trump or Cruz wins it, I hope he follows through. If Clinton wins, we're all fucked. And if the GOPe decides on shenanigans at the convention, and put in another conservative mush, like Bush, we're completely fucked.

Posted by: Scout at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (fCWi3)

17 In the 2000 general election, Bush won Texas by 21%, taking all 32 electors.

Can you imagine if those 32 had decided to trump the will of the people and cast their Electoral votes for Gore?

Yes, there would have been riots.

If the GOP plays games with the rules to deny the nom the people have chosen, they are finished as a political party. We will burn it to the ground.

And I support Cruz and think Trump is a joke. But if the Establishment can just pick whoever they want, why even vote?

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (V/X7u)

18 h at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (hdpay)


Except that the RNC will change " the rules" as they see fit. I am a Trump supporter, but if I were a Cruz supporter I would be paying close attention, as they will use those rules against. Cruz, too.

Posted by: Chillin the most at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (BI43k)

19 The thing is, if Trump gets the delegates through the primary system and then gets the nomination yanked at the convention, I'm afraid there would be riots. I don't think he was being glib when he said this.

And it would be all on the GOPe if this were to happen. Trump is winning this as fair and square as politics can be.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (Fmupd)

20 @Jenny Wonders If She's Invisible at March 16, 2016 09:01 AM (eJjmS)

The comments are always weird. We make them that way.

Posted by: IncredibleCO at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (t35Qx)

21 Fuckin A!! You are what ya eat!

Posted by: HillbillyKing at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (8WoDg)

22 "Coal will remain a part of the energy mix for years to come, and we have a shared responsibility to ensure that coal communities receive the benefits they have earned-and can build the future they deserve," she said.

Posted by: Hillary "she's too big to jail" Clinton at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (e8kgV)

No where in that walk back did Clinton actually "walk back" here earlier comments.

Coal miners, you're losing your jobs.

Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2016 10:08 AM (hdpay)

23 Why should Trump or any other nominee debate someone who is mathematically eliminated???

Posted by: suckitupbuttercup at March 16, 2016 10:08 AM (GHtJF)

24 So, let me get this straight. If Trump gets the delegates he needs, he's the nominee, and the Establishment, despite the Pledge, doesn't vote for him or even tries to run 3rd party.

If Trump doesn't reach the bare majority threshold, but instead "just" has a plurality, and he gets nominated, see above. If some else is nominated, he bolts, there's riots.

None of these are any good. Best I can hope for is that enough of the GOPe sucks it up and supports Trump, or maaaaaaybe he makes some yuge, fantastic, wonderful deal at the convention and everyone is satisfied enough so that the Party stays together, sort of.

Oh, and while this is going on, maybe Hillary! gets indicted or otherwise has to drop out of the race (she is not healthy).

Fun fun fun until we all die in a fire.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (u0s1P)

25 Smiles.... and strokes his KAC....

Posted by: HillbillyKing at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (8WoDg)

26 ...think I'll go long on 'we're fucked' options.

Posted by: billygoat at March 16, 2016 10:09 AM (INxoa)

27 But remember, Gateway Pundit tells us that Trump isn't threatening violence and if you disagree than you must be a commie...or something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (rJSDb)

28 "It was to say to the GOPe, instead of trying to overcome Trump, you need to learn to incorporate his message."

That would normally work, except for the fact that the GOP Establishment has played that card too often, and then betrayed those they co-opted as soon as there was no recourse.

They no longer have any credibility. Ronald Reagan could rise from the dead to propose it, and really mean it, and he would be booed off the stage.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (V/X7u)

29 Who will rid me of this meddlesome Megyn?

Posted by: King Trump II at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (/FdlA)

30 Oh good. I didn't hallucinate this post earlier.

I love fighty-ace posts.

Posted by: Jenny Is Relieved at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (eJjmS)

31

Yes, Trump fights. He will fight for bigger government and less freedom, while lying and grossing out normal people every five minutes.

Posted by: stace at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (ozZau)

32 And that's when the fight started, officer.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (RD7QR)

33 >>>ace physical status: extreme butthurt

ace drama queen level: over 9000

ace suicide watch level: inevitable

...

ace banning button: still workin'

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (dciA+)

34 Hey, Ace! You didn'the give me my platinum membership even though I was 10 comments short. There will be deafening...er...indifference.

Trump or Hillary. What could be worse?

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (8t2O/)

35 Such a preponderance of Endorian effused Vulgarity before Noon put's me into a tizzy......

Posted by: HillbillyKing at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (8WoDg)

36 At this point, I can't honestly say that Hillary would be worse than Trump.


Doesn't mean either of them get my vote, but little Donny is a fvcking trainwreck.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (Wckf4)

37 The convention should be fun. Maybe they'll find a way to set the lake on fire again.

Posted by: brak at March 16, 2016 10:13 AM (MJuTN)

38 ace banning button: still workin'
Posted by: ace
............
He was begging for it.. after you just told us!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 16, 2016 10:13 AM (so+oy)

39 Oh, and no matter who wins there will be massive disruptions at the GOP convention (and smaller ones at the Dem convention for deniability.)

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 16, 2016 10:14 AM (RD7QR)

40 Wow I heard the bug zapper go off with that one.

Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2016 10:14 AM (nA6C8)

41 Sounds to me like Trump is just playing with Megyn. Maybe she has THAT look in her eye that says she'd like to be the next Mrs. Trump.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 16, 2016 10:14 AM (Tgext)

42 The convention should be fun. Maybe they'll find a way to set the lake on fire again.

Posted by: brak at March 16, 2016 10:13 AM (MJuTN)

Wasn't that the Cayahoga River?

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 16, 2016 10:14 AM (NQmg1)

43 Yes, Trump fights. He will fight for bigger
government and less freedom, while lying and grossing out normal people
every five minutes.

Posted by: stace at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (ozZau)
EXACTLY.
Which departments will Trump close? Any? And even if he did say he'd close a department, you can't actually trust that he would not renege on his promise in the next 5 minutes.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 10:14 AM (/FdlA)

44 Honestly, I haven't watched a full debate since probably January. Trump is right. At this point it is a waste of time. You know why? They keep asking the same questions or pitting candidates against each other. It's a repeat of the same stuff. Do you really think they are going to get a huge crowd for a debate between Cruz and Kasich? It's going to be a snoozefest.

If I hear one more time how Kasich's father was a mailman and how he helped balance the budget a billion years ago, I think I'll scream. Maybe Cruz will point out that Kasich voted for NAFTA, was part of the problem at Lehman Bros. (where he walked into a job with NO investment banking experience), and wants to legalize the illegals.

BORING. Trump is better off continuing his rallies and primary events. The best stuff I've seen on Trump was Hannity's one-on-one with him a week or so ago. I saved it to my DVR to show my kids, it was that good. Much more useful to see that kind of stuff than 'gotchas' by Megyn Kelly and personal attacks.

Posted by: K-E at March 16, 2016 10:14 AM (69sTo)

45 >>>Also, I thought Tucker Carlson had some great points last night (which are points that he made in an article a few months ago). It was to say to the GOPe, instead of trying to overcome Trump, you need to learn to incorporate his message. Your voters are telling you they are UNHAPPY with the trade agreements, they're UNHAPPY with what you've done on immigration. LISTEN TO THEM.

i agree with all of that -- I support a lot of Trumpism, just not Trump.

at some point the person matters -- we're not just electing a series of policy preferences. we're electing someone with whom we must trust the most awesome power in the world.

his casual attitude towards political violence and his disgust with the disorderliness of routine political disagreement is very, very worrying.

again, I think people think "Oh well, it will serve the left right when he visits that hell on them."

Well, maybe. Sure they deserve it.

But what about when he turns it on you?

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (dciA+)

46 Ugh.
I can see why he would want to skip the debate (besides not debating well) - I think they ALL should. Who is this debate for?

And yet --- he has to kick it up a notch.

I'm too braindead to google, but I'm sure Obama has made threats about Congress not doing his will (maybe he's claimed people will die if this Obamacare part doesn't pass?), and it is hella annoying. We don't need more of this.

Posted by: Hillary! at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (NOIQH)

47 30 Who will rid me of this meddlesome Megyn?
Posted by: King Trump II at March 16, 2016 10:11 AM (/FdlA)

I got Willowed on the last post, but I would like to see Monday's "debate" happen with

Cruz .. Empty Podium .. Kasich

Cruz destroys Kasich (of course), questions end with what Trump probably thinks.
Camera zooms in on empty podium for 3 seconds every time it would have been Trump's turn.

Megyn Kelley pretty much stays out of it.

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (DofIg)

48 39 nice to see fascism alive and well here as ace deletes anything pro trump. heads in the sand and all that
Posted by: Douglas E Fresh at March 16, 2016 10:14 AM (oMdtQ)

Jesus, it's like whack-a-mole.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (RD7QR)

49 "It was to say to the GOPe, instead of trying to overcome Trump, you need
to learn to incorporate his message. Your voters are telling you they
are UNHAPPY with the trade agreements, they're UNHAPPY with what you've
done on immigration. LISTEN TO THEM."

Any one of the Republican candidates other than Trump could have grasped the nettle before he did, and said in strong, unambiguous, forceful and blunt terms what Trump said regarding immigration and trade.

None of them did. Not even Cruz. Which is a tremendous disappointment.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (noWW6)

50 Clinton v Trump... Yeah, I won't be voting for either one of those two turds.

Posted by: RD Walker at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (ImpgP)

51 Are we going to discuss Obama's new Supreme pick?
Posted by: Scout
___________

Sure. I'll start. Garland is a gun-grabbing poopy-head.

And anyone who thinks otherwise is a poopy-head.

Oh, and the Stupid Party will fold, hold hearings, and confirm him. It's all about the optics, you know.

Posted by: Furious George at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (3GAnN)

52 I wonder if Cruz and Kasich will still attend the debates?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

I'm the reason it's happening.

Posted by: The Honorable John Katshit at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (326rv)

53 I can live with Trump. He has a big house and probably wouldn't even know I'm there.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at March 16, 2016 10:16 AM (AQpnq)

54 I wonder how united the Dems will be, given Bernie's support and Hillary's obvious corruption. We may get a four way race! Yay excitement! (Oh, and DOOM. Always the DOOM.)

Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 16, 2016 10:16 AM (u0s1P)

55 I kinda don't think Trump is wrong if it plays out like the GOPe are threatening. Boehner nominating Ryan just puts this in a chaotic riotous calamity waiting to happen IMO. The convention is going to be a real barn burner. These next few months are going to be a rollercoaster ride methinks.

Posted by: turambar at March 16, 2016 10:16 AM (I+4FK)

56 BLM/MoveON/the other assholes already said there would be a riot at the RNC, sounds like there may be one on the inside also.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 16, 2016 10:16 AM (jsWA8)

57 I like how he absolves himself if something happens, just sayin. Quite the pompous douchebag.

Sound like any other pompous douche-bag pol we know? (coughJEFcough)

Posted by: DocJ at March 16, 2016 10:16 AM (5Nr9V)

58 The question is moot.

Posted by: $19,132,900,039,475.67 at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (rwI+c)

59 Which departments will Trump close? Any? And even if he did say he'd close a department, you can't actually trust that he would not renege on his promise in the next 5 minutes.
Posted by: chemjeff
..............
He couldn't tell you the name of a single department if his life depended on it..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (so+oy)

60 Reposting because it can never be repeated enough and illustrates why Trump is the front runner.

The GOP has controlled the house for 18 of the last 22 years, the senate for 12 of the last 22 years and the presidency for 8 of the last 22 years and and what have we gotten?

A national debt that has gone from 5 trillion to 20 trillion and is for all intents and purposes unpayable, wars without end, massive illegal immigration, the eroding of our sovreignty, the erosion of our liberty, massive expansions of leviathan, sitting idly by as a rogue executive runs roughshod over the constitution an on and on.

The GOP as currently constituted and operated is an unmitigated disaster.

They are not a legitimate governing party they are a fraud, a sham, a mockery of a political party.

They must be destroyed, I hope this is the election that puts the nail in the coffin of the GOP.


And here's the kicker, they could have so easily taken away all of Trumps fire and monmentum by co-opting his stances, anger and fire, but since they are all owned and operated by the COC, establishment and imbedded ruling cartels they tried to denigrate, tamp down and deligitimze the rightful anger at the ruling class.

So when Trumps the nominee I fully expect the establishment to burn it down rather than be led by the voters choice of candidate.

The GOP is a useless decicated husk of a fraudulent political party and deserves and needs to be destroyed.

The only way forward is for Cruz to drop out, he cannot win enough delegates outright and he will never be allowed to get the nomination in a brokered convention.

Cruz should reach out to Trump and ask to be the VP, I have every reason to believe Trump would accept this as he has said his VP pick would need to be a political insider, I don't mean this as Cruz is establishment but that Cruz knows the ins and outs of the Senate and I would personally love to see a Cruz operate as the President of the Senate, McConnels head would explode.

This really is the only way forward.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (3/eDT)

61 But. But. Cruz is a religious nut!

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (8t2O/)

62 "At this point, I can't honestly say that Hillary would be worse than Trump"

Hillary is the most corrupt politician of my lifetime (1968+). And yours is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read.

You sound like a girl upset that her man doesn't do enough pillow talk, so you're going to dump him and go out with the biker who will beat you and pimp you out.

Enough with the hyperbole please. Trump is a trainwreck, but Hillary is an Extinction Level Event.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (V/X7u)

63 "Nice Reichtag you got here." Oh Jeez, again with the Nazi stuff. Sigh.

Posted by: gp at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (+Jpqc)

64 ace physical status: extreme butthurt

ace drama queen level: over 9000

ace suicide watch level: inevitable
Posted by: Jalapeno at March 16, 2016 10:08 AM (eBP7f)


Oh, can we have a practice banning?

That is straight up argument-free attacking the person of our host.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (1xUj/)

65 Thankfully I missed all the drama last night (out boozing with my girlfriends) - what was MK saying that so annoyed Trump? I listened in to Fox and CNN this morning on my way to work and it was all about brokered conventions, so I guess that is where its headed.

Posted by: IC at March 16, 2016 10:18 AM (a0IVu)

66 "Maybe Cruz will point out that Kasich voted for NAFTA, was part of the
problem at Lehman Bros. (where he walked into a job with NO investment
banking experience), and wants to legalize the illegals."

Pointing out that Katsick is heavily backed by George Soros wouldn't hurt.

Ask the guy why he's even running as a Republican, if Barack Obama's most prominent individual contributor is financing his campaign.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 16, 2016 10:18 AM (noWW6)

67 But _we're_ the intemperate assholes.

Posted by: gp at March 16, 2016 10:18 AM (+Jpqc)

68 61 But. But. Cruz is a religious nut!
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (8t2O/)

==============

Drudge told me so.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 16, 2016 10:18 AM (rJSDb)

69 >>>39 nice to see fascism alive and well here as ace deletes anything pro trump. heads in the sand and all that
Posted by: Douglas E Fresh at March 16, 2016 10:14 AM (oMdtQ)

the wailing of the martyrs, such a sweet music

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:18 AM (dciA+)

70 "as ace deletes anything pro-Trump"


FFS, I could post something decidedly pro-Trump if I wanted to and not get banned.


Is it really so hard to act like an adult?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 16, 2016 10:18 AM (Wckf4)

71 at some point the person matters

---

But this person is rich, ace, and he tells me nice things about myself and people like me.

So he's cool.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (eJjmS)

72 Ace, I don't think that's fair. Many people have said similar things about a brokered convention, not so much in support of Trump but in fairness to the process. Saying there would be riots is more of Trump's bombast, but it would damage the GOP brand more than many people think if Trump dominates the primary season only to have the GOP game him out of the nomination.

Posted by: Fatso at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (iLoHX)

73
Inspector Kemp: A riot is an ugly thing. Und I think it's just about time ve had one

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (493sH)

74 That bird is crazy!

Posted by: Brian Fallon at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (rwI+c)

75 I think if Ted Cruz were 20 votes shy and they denied him the nomination there would be riots too.

Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (zt+N6)

76 >>>67 But _we're_ the intemperate assholes.

what do you mean?

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (dciA+)

77 "At this point, I can't honestly say that Hillary would be worse than Trump"


I am with you. I think they are both despicably horrible, just in different ways.

Hillbeast is more of a traditional corrupt pol.

Trump would invent new and innovative methods of corruption.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (/FdlA)

78 I would like to see Monday's "debate" happen with

Cruz .. Empty Podium .. Kasich

Cruz destroys Kasich (of course), questions end with what Trump probably thinks.
Camera zooms in on empty podium for 3 seconds every time it would have been Trump's turn.

Megyn Kelley pretty much stays out of it.
Posted by: jwb7605


Cruz: WTF is katshit here?

Hon. Kashit: Well I....

Cruz: I wasn't talking to you; i was speaking to your masters. There is no way you have a claim to the nomination unless someone else pays for it and hands it to you. At this point, you are a useful idiot, nothing more.

Posted by: The Honorable John Katshit at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (326rv)

79 Oh, can we have a practice banning?


Oh,it looks like we did!

Sorry for quoting the troll.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (1xUj/)

80 Trump may well be a worse president than Hillary. Nobody knows what he will or won't do. He clearly does not know day-to-day what he will or won't do.

Posted by: RD Walker at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (ImpgP)

81 Ace what do you call animals who refuse to adapt to a changed environment?

"Extinct."

"Endangered" at a minimum.

One thing I learned in the wake of 2012 was that this nation does not punish the Democrats for their grinning game of telling grievance mongers things like "he gwanna put y'all back in chaynzzz" like Slim Shady Sharpton marching across the bridge...

I hate what America is and miss what it was, but it's gone.

Perhaps had the GOP been more worried about Barack Obama than "not pissing off the media" Old America would have had another 20 years to her....

instead we got the Thad Cockhole Cochran shuffle...

I wash my hands of the guilt for what is coming.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (g8Hfr)

82 Obama is on the radio announcing this SC nominee. Public service, dedicated servant, dedicated to public service, gave up lucrative career in private sector to serve the public , blah, blah blah...

He also worked on Oklahoma City bombing , a despicable act of terrorism that killed children innocents...Obama talked about this with a rage and passion I never once heard him talk about with Islamic terrorism. Never, not even close. And now he is accusing the Republicans of politicizing this process and polarization. WTF is wrong with this jerk? He is turning this into yet another attack on his opponent. Screw him and his nominee.

Posted by: Ripley at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (1BQGO)

83 is this another "boo-hoo, you made a political point I disagree with, boo-hoo, that's an attack on me and my pussy" whine?

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:20 AM (dciA+)

84 71 Is it really so hard to act like an adult?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 16, 2016 10:18 AM (Wckf4)

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yes.

Posted by: Mr. Trump at March 16, 2016 10:20 AM (rJSDb)

85 I'm not a Trump-ite, but I do think immigration is the most important issue facing us today.

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It is, but Trump says he wants to let them back in after deporting them, and Lord only knows what he told the NYT. He's weak on both illegal immigration and legal immigration, and he's happily hired foreigners in preference to Americans.

At this point, most of his supporters no longer care about immigration (according to that recent poll), or they're so besotted with him, they would him bed their wives and think he was a great man for doing it.

Posted by: stace at March 16, 2016 10:20 AM (ozZau)

86 Any one of the Republican candidates other than Trump could have grasped the nettle before he did, and said in strong, unambiguous, forceful and blunt terms what Trump said regarding immigration and trade.

None of them did. Not even Cruz. Which is a tremendous disappointment.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (noWW6


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Soccer balls and teddy bears.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 10:20 AM (Fmupd)

87 CNN's Wolf Blitzer made an on-air flub Tuesday night, when he called said Hillary Clinton won the primary in "North Korea."

"She really wanted Florida and Ohio, specifically North Korea -- North Carlina I should say, was always, was always one of her goals," Blitzer said.

Posted by: #TheCriminalHillaryClinton at March 16, 2016 10:20 AM (e8kgV)

88 I think it would be funny if trump gave his aipac speech at the same time as the fox debate and then fox broke away from their own debate to cover "breaking news: trump speech at aipac live now!"

disclaimer: cruz supporter donated about $1000 to his campaign

Posted by: Keyser at March 16, 2016 10:20 AM (/j6WM)

89 OFF TRUMP TOPIC

In honor of The Americans new season tonight, I have 3 books that the CIA recommends on counterintelligence. Agent Stan Berman should consider reading them.

Link in nic

RETURN TO TRUMP TOPIC

Posted by: @votermom at March 16, 2016 10:20 AM (cbfNE)

90 I seriously wonder how the die hard trumpsters are going to feel when he starts making "great deals" that go against every thing hes campaigned on. Because the one constant about Trump is that just because he wins or profits, it doesn't translate that you will also win/profit. In fact, his winning unusually comes at the expense of you losing.

Also, me angry, Hulk smash!

Posted by: taylork at March 16, 2016 10:20 AM (Mc50e)

91 That would normally work, except for the fact that the GOP Establishment has played that card too often, and then betrayed those they co-opted as soon as there was no recourse.

They no longer have any credibility. Ronald Reagan could rise from the dead to propose it, and really mean it, and he would be booed off the stage.




That's what you get when you screw the base for 30+ years.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 16, 2016 10:21 AM (gR+IE)

92 It's not Trump threatening -- it's the peons and rednecks and dumb hillbillies who are voting for him.
Their votes are supposed to count the same as anyone else's.
I can see how distasteful that must be.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 16, 2016 10:21 AM (w46Mb)

93 But what about when he turns it on you?

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (dciA+)

Hey McFly, what about when you pointed out GOPe turned on us? Remember "burn it down"?

Posted by: Jeff E at March 16, 2016 10:21 AM (QBXdZ)

94 I don't know why another debate is necessary; I know why the networks would like to have it - ratings, endless fodder to their 24 hour news cycle. But at this point in the cycle, town halls might be a better option.

Posted by: IC at March 16, 2016 10:21 AM (a0IVu)

95 1 Posted by: gov98 at March 16, 2016 08:58 AM (d9LVc)


Grant was a great man, and a good person engaged in the patronage games that were the historical norm of the time during his admittedly corrupt terms in office.

As far as a military mind he was by far the sharpest strategist on the block and as ruthless as he needed to be to get the job done...or you know as I used to grasp the term "American."

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:21 AM (g8Hfr)

96 So I guess Ace isn't Trump curious anymore? Why not? I mean, anytime you have the chance to nominate a thin-skinned, juvenile, egotistical, thin-skinned progressive fascist, you have to take it, right?

It'll be fun watching the Fox Newsers and talk radio con artists who've built this guy up over the last several months claim they were really pushing someone else when it becomes even clearer Trump is a disaster of a general election candidate.

Posted by: NeverTrump at March 16, 2016 10:21 AM (gI9Bk)

97 Cruz should reach out to Trump and ask to be the VP

What's in it for him?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 16, 2016 10:21 AM (rwI+c)

98 Does anyone really think there won't be riots if DT has 11-1200 delegates and doesn't get the nomination regardless of what Donald says?
His is a nomination that is based upon anger at the powers that be. If his (core) supporters think he, and by proxy they, are being denied there spot at the table once again, I would be shocked if there weren't riots. In fact, I would be a little disappointed.
And spare me the...but the rules say 1237 delegates or whatever. No one can look at this process and tell me that the powers that be, the infamous "they" or "the establishment" have not been doing their absolute utmost to remove DT from the process along the way. The rules may say he needs those delegates, but the participants (his voters) in the game know when some aren't playiing by the spirit of the game.
Riot away. Blame it on Trump. That's fine. I don't think he'll really give two shits. And then when you're done rioting at the R convention, regardless of the outcome, take to the streets and start doing your best BLM impression and start rioting at D events.
Burn this shit. It's infected and needs cauterized.

BTW...I voted for Cruz yesterday.

Posted by: ajmojo at March 16, 2016 10:22 AM (1H9ox)

99 >>Enough with the hyperbole please. Trump is a trainwreck, but Hillary is an Extinction Level Event.

THIS

They are both trainwrecks waiting to happen; however, we know how bad Hillary's presidency would be. And that's assuming she's actually the one making decisions. Given her health, her being easily confused and in need of 24/7 assistance from Muslim Brotherhood's Huma Abedin? She might turn out to be a bigger puppet than Barry.

Posted by: Hillary! at March 16, 2016 10:22 AM (NOIQH)

100 "He couldn't tell you the name of a single department if his life depended on it."

And his supporters don't care. Because the politicians who DO know all the names would lie about the names.

Its a choice between Ignorance and Corruption. Would you rather have a CEO who doesn't know how the business works, or one that always lies about how the business is working?

At least with the former, there is some hope he will represent your interests once he learns the ropes. Maybe just a 1% chance, but that's better than nothing. And that's why we are in this position.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:22 AM (V/X7u)

101 Let me take that back a bit.

Hillary is more of a 1960's-style corrupt pol. Lying, cheating, what-have-you.

Trump is more of a 1930's-style corrupt pol. Loyalty tests, suggesting about his enemies that "they have it coming", etc.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 10:22 AM (/FdlA)

102 Barry nominated a Garland for the SC. Is he gay, a commie, nothing but a lefty rubber stamp? All of the above?

Claims he's fulfilled is Constitutional duties. First time for everything

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 16, 2016 10:22 AM (493sH)

103 He was begging for it.. after you just told us!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 16, 2016 10:13 AM (so+oy)

I think they wear it as a badge of honor.

"I'm a troll who doesn't post regularly but I was a dick one time and ace banned me! Woo hoo! How are my fellow DU folks today."

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 10:22 AM (mEZce)

104 Look in my eyes,
What do you see?

Posted by: The cult of personality at March 16, 2016 10:22 AM (GE5Py)

105 Will Ferguson burn?

I don't get it. joke?

Posted by: torabora at March 16, 2016 10:22 AM (3qRHs)

106 If Trump is nominee, I look forward to recognition that opposition to Rubio was quaint. Many will wake to the reality that there is not naturally broad support for a conservative agenda and the "Establishment" (defined so broadly nowadays as to be meaningless) is a much preferable entity to hitch our wagon to than the isolationist/nationalist movement that has long existed on both sides. Maybe Cruz will prevail; but no doubt we've been letting our chips ride.

Posted by: Crispian at March 16, 2016 10:23 AM (n9Zp5)

107 Actually, even without Trump I'm pretty close rioting and looting now. I mean, sheeeet, nothing happens when BLM does it.


They get to loot, steal and destroy, and what happens to them?

Nothing that I can see.

Posted by: Jack at March 16, 2016 10:23 AM (/haNQ)

108 Well, he's right that Megyn Kelly is unbearable. But ace is right about the rest.

Posted by: gm at March 16, 2016 10:23 AM (K0tm3)

109 It's unfortunate that the only people pushing back openly and shaming the Trumpshirts are those on the far left Are we too lazy? Afraid? Pussies?

When Trump incites violence, when he starts mauling women, blacks, journalists, Muslims, etc. in his dreadfully banal and inane speeches that ramble on endlessly, why not push back? The little Trumpshirts have gotten cocky, thinking they're invincible like their neofascist Papa.

It's time more of them encounter overt mockery for their simpleton views of reality.

Posted by: Multitude at March 16, 2016 10:23 AM (hnG+0)

110 17 Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (V/X7u)


Quite.

After holding our noses in '96, 08, and '12 when FINALLY we get an outsider the GOP decides to admit their nomination process is as real as the WWF....

You screw Trump, I screw the GOP.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:23 AM (g8Hfr)

111 So, does he have anybody by the name of Rhoem or Wessel in his organization to counter killary's thug army?

Posted by: Eromero at March 16, 2016 10:23 AM (zLDYs)

112 >>> I'm not a Trump-ite, but I do think immigration is the most important issue facing us today.


i agree, which is why I don't support Trump.

This is an important subject, but you have to keep in mind, a lot of people are... uncomfortable discussing it because they've been taught to believe that any talk of reducing immigration is racist -- because why else would you do so, except for hating on brown people?

That means you have to address the subject carefully and explain there are ton of non-racial arguments in favor of this. You have to convince people that it's even *permissible* to discuss this before you can even make your argument.

what's trump's first statement on the matter, right out of the box?

"Mexicans are coming over here and raping people, and bringing their drugs."

Welp, that's the end of that.

He hasn't upped his game since.

he just doesn't offer reasons for it, except for "you either have a country or you don't," which actually is a good START of an argument, but he doesn't explain what that means or further persuade the persaudable but unpersuaded.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:24 AM (dciA+)

113 So, like, the RNC is just cool with their front runner threatening riots? That's a thing now?

I look forward to the new No Trumps Party.

Posted by: Cantankerous at March 16, 2016 10:24 AM (326rv)

114 Let me state up front -- I don't care for Trump. I think he's a punk and a bully.

That said, he's got a point about FNC.

Megyn? She's started to think she's something she isn't. Nice girl when she tries to be. But a hard-hitting 'journalist'? Not even.

She's a lawyer. 'nuff said.

I'm in Florida and I voted for Trump yesterday.

Why? What's the alternative(s)? What are they? Grampa Munster with a voice like Mr Haney?

Ricky Ricardo that, after we go out of our way to elect him in a vicious three-way battle in this State, he turns on us and embraces dimocraps and their idiot amnesty policies?

John Kasich? A man who completely lacks conviction and quite probably a set of balls? Whose only saving grace is that Ohio discovered huge shale deposits under their ground?

My guy was Scott Walker. Turns out he stinks as a candidate. A good man but a lousy candidate.

You got two choices, people..... Donald Trump or socialism.

There is no third choice.

Believe it.

Posted by: Uncle Rick at March 16, 2016 10:24 AM (gugzg)

115 Multitude,

warning, that's bannable. I am not giving you folks the green light to launch personal attacks on Trump supporters.

First warning, next time, it's a ban.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:25 AM (dciA+)

116 31 Posted by: stace at March 16, 2016 10:12 AM (ozZau)


so it'll be the Bush years now with more shock reality TV entertainment value...

I am strangely unconvinced by the GOP's protestations that they REALLY get it that we are serious we want fiscal discipline and ethical government THIS time...

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:25 AM (g8Hfr)

117 I seriously wonder how the die hard trumpsters are going to feel when he starts making "great deals" that go against every thing hes campaigned on. Because the one constant about Trump is that just because he wins or profits, it doesn't translate that you will also win/profit. In fact, his winning unusually comes at the expense of you losing.

Also, me angry, Hulk smash!
Posted by: taylork

I'll bet a cookie that they might feel the same way some of us feel about Rubio. We had high hopes for him once. And Ryan. And Boehner. And Romney. The list goes on.......

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:25 AM (326rv)

118 This really is the only way forward.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (3/eDT)

I just can't imagine Cruz begging Trump for the VP slot. And if I could imagine it, I wouldn't support Cruz.

So no, sorry, but your Beloved Fearless Leader is going to have to fight for it all the way down to the wire.

Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2016 10:25 AM (UWlp+)

119 The media portrays this election as a referendum on the establishment in both parties, as Trump keeps saying.

He's wrong. It's really a decision Americans can make between dictatorship and the Constitution.

No, I'm not calling Trump a dictator. But does anyone believe he'll roll back the executive power Obama grabbed? Seriously?

But if the conversation of this election focused on the roll-back of Obama's executive grab, he'd be ushered out.

It's as Ace says, Kubuki theater.

No, the media wants you to focus on the three candidates who offer different forms of dictatorship.
Sanders = socialist dictator utopia
Clinton = establishment/corporatist dictator utopia
Trump = seriously who knows what he'll do, other than use the increased executive powers Obama's added

Let's ignore the real issue of this election. Will we walk away from the Constitution in favor of dictators who promise to fulfill our every wishes, or will we embrace the only thing that truly makes America great. And keeps the barbarians at bay.

It appears Americans have decided.

Posted by: heartofdarkness at March 16, 2016 10:25 AM (MQ0Jr)

120 I think Cruzs' last chance was last night. Can't see the math working for him. So I'm not going to tilt at windmills. Perhaps he's an ass. Unfortunately he's going to be the candidate.

Or maybe by being an ass every day he keeps the focus on himself and denies the other candidates any front page coverage. If that's his strategy there's no denying the results.

Posted by: mega machines at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (fbovC)

121 When was this latest Fox debate scheduled?

Hillary and Trump were both invited to the AIPAC conference. Trump made a good decision.

Posted by: mrp at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (JBggj)

122 Does anyone really want another debate?
Aside from the media, I mean.
What useless wastes of time they've been.

Posted by: @votermom at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (cbfNE)

123 ***"Hillary is the most corrupt politician of my lifetime (1968+). And yours is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read.


You sound like a girl upset that her man doesn't do enough pillow talk, so you're going to dump him and go out with the biker who will beat you and pimp you out.


Enough with the hyperbole please. Trump is a trainwreck, but Hillary is an Extinction Level Event.


Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:17 AM (V/X7u)"***


One of the most ridiculous comments you've ever read? And you're going to whine about hyperbole? Physician heal thyself.


Your shitty analogy might work if I was either a Trump or Hillary supporter.


As it is, Trump displays AT LEAST as authoritarian rhetoric as Hillary. His policies are just as liberal/progressive, if not more...if you can pin him down on it.


And he has paid directly into Hillary's corruption machine, so unless you have some sort of contrary evidence that he's not just as corrupt to go along with his massive political incompetence, I recommend you get some practice on your analogies.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (Wckf4)

124 94 It's not Trump threatening -- it's the peons and rednecks and dumb hillbillies who are voting for him.
Their votes are supposed to count the same as anyone else's.
I can see how distasteful that must be.
Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 16, 2016 10:21 AM (w46Mb)


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Heh. Well put.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (Fmupd)

125 But what about when he turns it on you?


Well, yes, there's that.

Unfortunately, the Obama years have beget Trump. Over the last eight years, the country has taken a hard left turn. If you're not on board, you're the enemy.

If you think it's not entirely sound from a medical or psychiatric standpoint to surgically turn a male into a female, you're a BIGOT. If you think it's maybe not the best idea allow hundreds of thousands of
people whose religion tells them to kill everyone's NOT a muslim to immigrate into this country, you're a RACIST.

It's become the single worst insult you can throw at
someone, and being pegged as one can ruin your life. People are tired of getting shouted down. It makes them feel better to see someone to see someone shout back.

Posted by: Scout at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (fCWi3)

126 If we lose the election because Trump only has a plurality at the convention and the second or third ballot gives the nomination to someone else, I am 100% fine and okey-dokey with that.

Nominating Trump is a guaranteed landslide general election defeat, anyway....so there is nothing to lose by showing this embarrassingly ignorant and unqualified wannabe dictator the door, and a whole lot to potentially gain.

If we have to wait for 2020 for another shot at putting a legitimately conservative candidate like Cruz in the White House, so fucking be it.

Posted by: DRayRaven at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (9YRwm)

127 Hi Ace,

I donate $50 here or there because I like reading the essays. I stopped reading the comments awhile back because they're not really entertaining or funny anymore.

Now, I'm done with the site too. I love ya, and think you're brilliant, funny, and insightful.

However, the joy and mischief that filled your posts has slipped away.

My guess is that's a mirroring of the comments/audience and I doubt you can ban your way out of it.

I felt compelled to write this because you've provided me with countless laughs and made me stop to think about important topics.

And to say thanks.

MJ



Posted by: MJ at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (E5dnG)

128 In honor of The Americans new season tonight


Posted by: @votermom at March 16, 2016 10:20 AM (cbfNE)


And Yummy Annet Mahendru

*would love to have that meal on my dinner table


http://tinyurl.com/h4xo85j

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (mEZce)

129 Yeah, contested conventions are nothing new, if a political party doesn't want you as their nom, well, tough shit, you're free to go start your own. Of course that brings up the convo about Rs and D's making it as difficult as possible for other parties to get on the ballot.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (yos+4)

130 People should be smart enough to distinguish between hyperbole and a real statement/threat. Having said that, there will be a riot, figuratively speaking if at the convention the ayatollahs of the party take the nomination away from the man who has won the most states and most votes and give it to someone else. Why the fuck would we even vote at all if they can just do that? And these clowns still don't see why Trump has won so much? Shocking!

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (/Owtt)

131 >>>
That said, he's got a point about FNC.

Megyn? She's started to think she's something she isn't. Nice girl when she tries to be. But a hard-hitting 'journalist'? Not even.


...

hey who was calling her establishment six months ago?

Who was saying "she's an upper middle class professional, and they are infected with the left's idea of how politics is to be mediated"?

This guy, right here.

and i used to be a fan.

that said, so what? Most of the media hates him.

Trump does seem to have a problem with women who don't defer to his Aura of Manliness.

yeah, I said it.

It's a pattern.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (dciA+)

132 Yo, Morons:

It is human nature that we human beings identify emotionally with selected others, to the point of experiencing butthurt if said others are attacked.

But, get this, it is also possible to expand that identification to include ALL others, even the ones doing the supposed attacking.

This is sometimes called Civility.

I suspect it is the only way out of this mess.

Posted by: Piercello at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (RXfvh)

133 I guess I took the whole Let It Burn thing too seriously. I figure we're doomed anyway so I kinda quit paying much attention. Actually I do pay attention but I don't take it personal anymore. I know that makes me a terrible person or whatever but I'm getting old and been fighting this losing battle for a very long time. You youngsters can have at it. I'm dropping out.

Posted by: Does this leg smell gammy? at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (ZY81i)

134
I'm not per se a law breaker. I find the idea of bending over and spreading for a stranger abhorrent. But if they changed the rules to block Trump, which I consider dishonest, sure I would riot. And if arrested, I would demand a lineup and do my best Steve Baldwin imitation.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (iQIUe)

135 There is no upside for Trump doing yet another debate after last night. None whatsoever. So who does things against their own self-interest? And yet, being smart still gets you called "coward" in certain places.

Ace, I love you. I really do. But is it just possible that you're only calling him "coward" because you don't LIKE him? And that this decision not to hand Fox News a ratings boon they don't deserve for nothing in return makes perfect sense, whether you like him or not? Or are we all past that, now?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (S2VsH)

136 Trump is part wussy and wise to avoid this debate.

Posted by: Draki at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (0eidE)

137 Our minions are out in force today!

Posted by: Media Splatters at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (Dwehj)

138 >>>>108 If Trump is nominee, I look forward to recognition that opposition to Rubio was quaint.

Posted by: Crispian at March 16, 2016 10:23 AM (n9Zp5)>>>

More like the delusions of Rubio, Gowdy, Scott, Haley, etc. after New Hampshire gave us Trump.

Posted by: gm at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (K0tm3)

139 Even with him not there: Megyn Kelly's first and second questions will be about Trump. Fox News Debates have been absolutely worthless. And she's a big part of that. Same with Chris Wallace. Both of those idiots treat them as just interviews on their shows. Egos just as big as any of the pricks on the stage.

Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (zt+N6)

140 oal will remain a part of the energy mix for years to come, and we have a shared responsibility to ensure that coal communities receive the benefits they have earned-and can build the future they deserve," she said.
Posted by: Hillary "she's too big to jail" Clinton at March 16, 2016 10:05 AM (e8kgV)

Note the "receive the benefits they have earned". Clinton has issued either on her website or through a surrogate that she is proposing a $8 B aid package for the displaced coal miners. In other words, here's your welfare, EBT, utility subsidy, housing subsidy, medicaid/free health care, child care, WIC, etc.
Oh, and vote Democrat, see, we take care of you.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (rKNmI)

141 I think if Ted Cruz were 20 votes shy and they denied him the nomination there would be riots too.
Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2016 10:19 AM (zt+N6)

Protests, yes. Riots? I don't think I even know how to do that. Maybe someone can start an online class to teach nice middle-aged housewives how to riot.

Posted by: stace at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (ozZau)

142 #dictatortrump or #dictatorhillary. Everything else is knotted panties. Which = #dictatorhillary

Posted by: ajlfour at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (u7TnL)

143 >>Hillary is more of a 1960's-style corrupt pol. Lying, cheating, what-have-you. Trump is more of a 1930's-style corrupt pol. Loyalty tests, suggesting about his enemies that "they have it coming", etc.


Um, have you missed the last 30 years of the Clintons?

I know you despise Trump, but the Clintons have committed corruption and an unprecedented level - it puts all other politicians, past and present, to shame for thinking small.

Also, the Clinton's have made an art of demonizing their enemies, whether political or just bureaucrats attempting to do their job, with scorched-earth hits. Want to know thin-skinned, look no further than Hillary refusing to let the press witness her boarding her d@mn plane.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 16, 2016 10:28 AM (NOIQH)

144 "of course Trump just doesn't want to do the debate -- for obvious reasons."

Kinda like the 2000 Florida fiasco, where the Dems kept wanting to do recounts until they won.

If Trump has a disastrous debate, do you really think they will hold another one?

"Let's keep playing till I win"

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:28 AM (V/X7u)

145 @ Scout at March 16, 2016 10:06 AM (fCWi3)

Makes 2 of us. And I slightly disagree with Ace (*ducks banhammer). I don't even agree with a lot of Trumpism. But the party didn't move to where the voters were emotionally or intellectually.

I, for instance, can see the big picture on free(er) trade. I can read Thomas Sowell and pass Econ101. But my unemployed, redneck cousins in Podunk? Since when the party explain it to them in terms they could understand? Or even just not treat them like dogsh!t while still expecting them to turn out and vote?

Posted by: IncredibleCO at March 16, 2016 10:28 AM (t35Qx)

146 >>>eople should be smart enough to distinguish between hyperbole and a real statement/threat.

he went on to say he wouldn't be "leading it" but that "bad things would happen"

people should also be smart enough to know when someone is speaking literally, by the context clues of their other statements on the matter.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:28 AM (dciA+)

147 As it is, Trump displays AT LEAST as authoritarian rhetoric as Hillary.
His policies are just as liberal/progressive, if not more...if you can
pin him down on it.

I agree. Trump's authoritarianism is just Hillary's authoritarianism with a Bronx accent.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 10:28 AM (/FdlA)

148 Trump is so stupid y'all! He's a trainwreck! He's a buffoon.
Yet he destroyed Jeb! and crushed Marco and is kicking Cruz's ass.
And he did it getting the MSM to pay for his campaign.
Really, really dumb, that Trump.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 16, 2016 10:29 AM (w46Mb)

149 Five days ago Trump was publicly saying he wanted a two man race and a chance to debate Cruz one on one.

He was kidding.

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 16, 2016 10:29 AM (DofIg)

150 Though I am a bit bored of any more debates. I've heard pretty much the same thing from each candidate. Except for Kasich saying he won't throw wedding singers into jail for not doing gay weddings anymore.

Posted by: Draki at March 16, 2016 10:29 AM (0eidE)

151
**brews pot of tea**

**goes back to top of thread to read comments**

Oh boy, this is going to be good. . .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 16, 2016 10:29 AM (X6fMO)

152 ...after a Commie Dictator, Obongo, let's have a Fascist Dictator, El Trumpo, to even up the destruction and despair!
Posted by: marcus tullius cicero at March 16, 2016 10:02 AM (SmCFT)

Please!
Let's assume a bug turnover election cycle, with 20% of incumbents tossed. That leaves 80% of those there now still there if Trump wins.

And then you are going to see an opposition party that knows how to fight. Yeah, I mean the GOP, in conjunction with the Dems.

And, you'll suddenly have a press that becomes watchdog.

I don't see it happening the way you do.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 16, 2016 10:29 AM (kKHcp)

153 >>>hey who was calling her establishment six months ago?

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (dciA+)>>>

I was. Stopped watching FNC years ago because I couldn't stand her.

Posted by: gm at March 16, 2016 10:30 AM (K0tm3)

154 I don't think Trump has any obligation to cooperate with GOPe and their minions in the media. Just a few days ago, FOX was cheering on anti-Trump thugs shutting down the first amendment.

Is civility, if not civilization itself, hanging by a thread. You bet, but at most all you can say is that Trump is a contributor to the decline of western civilization. Ignoring OWS, #BLM, MSNBC, the SCOTUS, the Obozo administration, even Cruz (my preferred candidate) has contributed by praising the anti-Trump thugs by faint condemnation.

P.S. Things will get worse before they get better and by worse I mean a lot worse and by better I mean if they get better.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 16, 2016 10:30 AM (2Ps+G)

155 Please let us know who wants to watch another debate?? Trump doing another debate = the Broncos giving the Panthers a rematch

Posted by: ajlfour at March 16, 2016 10:30 AM (u7TnL)

156 *sigh*... and this is why I could never support him. His stupid tweets, his "fights" with Megyn Kelly and others and saying stupid shit like there will be riots. He's a narcissistic immature jerk. But I will vote for him in the general if he makes it that far, because anyone is better than the crazy old man and the wretched wench.

Posted by: jewells45 at March 16, 2016 10:30 AM (l/N7H)

157 "Riots? I don't think I even know how to do that. Maybe someone can start an online class to teach nice middle-aged housewives how to riot."

No need. The script is already out there. Just call them racist-sexist-homophobes and they will cave.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:30 AM (V/X7u)

158 The media and the gope are out to get Trump.
He mostly avoids the traps that are set for him and sets his own agenda.

People are looking for a strong leader to replace the weak-kneed pansy we currently have.

If Trump can win people over with bluster and bravado, more power to him.

How he will actually govern remains to be seen.

Is their any other direction, other than up, at this point?

Posted by: seamrog at March 16, 2016 10:30 AM (Tq6LX)

159 Crazy Megyn Kelly with her vagina and retarded brain. Sometimes it's hard being so supportive of women when you're attacked like this for no reason. I wonder if it's that time of the month? Just kidding! Marco Runio is a loser!!

Posted by: Donald J Trump at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (jAZI6)

160 Thanks MJ. Take care.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (dciA+)

161 He hasn't upped his game since.


I watched his victory speech last night.

"and then you have Paris. And then you have Los Angeles [he means San Bernadino]...uh...California. You have that terrible shooting where the fourteen young people are killed [he's conflating it with a school shooting?]

If Trump his own self were debating in the comments anonymously he would be torn to shreds, because we hone arguments.

I told this to a friend last night and she said "that's why people like him, he talks like a normal person".

But seriously, why choose a guy who could not hold his own here among Morons?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (1xUj/)

162 Actually on topic

I am selling a Trump Smash tee shirt on zazzle
I uploaded the design but I haven't seen the tee in real life
My kid is very annoyed at it

It's on sidebar of my blog, link in nic

Posted by: @votermom at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (cbfNE)

163
The Americans have some very good non American actors. Plus, they all seem to be really enjoying their big break here. I like Richard Thomas, too. I hate the lead characters tho and I especially hate the idea that we are suppose to believe some 100 lb anorexic can beat up a couple of federal agents.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (iQIUe)

164 Does anyone really want another debate?

Yes!!!!!

Posted by: The Honorable John Katshit at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (326rv)

165 One thing I'm preparing for is the avalanche of polls saying Trump doesn't have a chance against the Hildebeast. Until October, when we'll see the "unexpected" turnaround.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (Fmupd)

166 Are Trump and Kelly like Beatrice and Benedick? Do they just need to screw and get it over with?

Posted by: RKae at March 16, 2016 10:32 AM (lF8sf)

167 His fighting with Megyn Kelly is beneath any professional person, let alone a nominee for POTUS. If I had these types of petty squabbles with a student or coworker of mine, publicly and on Twitter, I would be reprimanded by my boss, and rightfully so.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 10:32 AM (/FdlA)

168 Trump is such a thug that its disgusting he's gotten this far in this country.

All these years I've maintained a small amount of faith in America. That's all gone.

Posted by: Kronos at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (Hep2X)

169 For the record Obama did say something like that:

Be careful how you make those
statements, gentlemen. The public isn't buying that. My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (X7E8f)

170 I watched most of Trump's speech the other day in Boca Raton (I think) and it was the first time I watched him other than at a debate. Without other people on the stage with him, his 'speech' was really just a stream of consciousness sort of thing, and it lacked virtually any coherent organization of thoughts or message.

I'm a Cruz supporter, but I'm not sure any or this matters in the long run. Pretty sure we're doomed.

Posted by: Weasel at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (6xtq3)

171 >>>Fox News Debates have been absolutely worthless.

Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (zt+N6)>>>

No doubt. They've been the worst.

Posted by: gm at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (K0tm3)

172 I saw that interview. I don't think he actually mentioned who this very important group of people were. It turns out it's AIPAC, which is having a conference from Sunday through Tuesday. I'm pretty sure they could move his speech from one day to another.

I don't think it's that easy - the Policy Conference is a big deal for AIPAC and there are a lot of moving parts, moreso than something like CPAC. Plus there are attendees who are coming out specifically to see the speakers on a given day, and AIPAC risks alienating them if they move this slot.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (eytER)

173 166 Are Trump and Kelly like Beatrice and Benedick? Do they just need to screw and get it over with?

---

Yes

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (eJjmS)

174 Posted by: Aces Mom at March 16, 2016 10:26 AM (TQD6K)

Huge, Throbbing Dick: What you're NOT supposed to be.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (RD7QR)

175 "hey who was calling her establishment six months ago? "

Megyn Kelly? She's a celebrity journalist, wants to be Bill O'Reilly, at our expense. She made herself part of the story, likely to advance her career and sell books.

I remember tuning in the day after the debate. I wanted sharp analysis of where each candidate stood. Instead, I was treated to a 24/7 spat between two celebrity blowhards.

We ask for Antonin Scalia and we get Judge Judy.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (V/X7u)

176 By the way, does anybody wonder if ubama will declare martial law and suspend the election? Especially if he can get riots of a large enough scale? Think about it.

Posted by: Eromero at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (zLDYs)

177 People are looking for a strong leader to replace the weak-kneed pansy we currently have.

Ve also have matching Hugo Boss brownshirts!

Posted by: Der Trumpenfuehrer at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (/FdlA)

178 All I can say at this point is this is the biggest clusterfuck Republican presidential primary I've ever seen. I've also never seen more lunatic raving by self-identified right-leaning people, whether Trump or not-Trump folks. Fuck me running.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (0mRoj)

179 Here's a question:

Why is Cruz agreeing to this 'debate'?

The leader will not attend.
he will have to share the stage with a clown that the GOPe wants there.
Fox can take shots at trump in absentia, and can attack Cruz.

They're not about to attack Katshit.


So why be there?

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (326rv)

180 152 Posted by: jwb7605 at March 16, 2016 10:29 AM (DofIg)

Is that what Fox is offering?

I must have missed it.

I'd give my right nut for a genuine NFL style L/D debate between Ted Cruz and DJT because I KNOW TC would mop the floor with him.

Instead as we Americans have devolved from the eloquence of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Samuel Adams and morphed into "boxers or briefs" as political discourse ANY "debate" will be the equivalent of a hybrid of Jackass and the Westminster Dog Show...

the GOP may be cleaner by a nose than the Democrats in the blame for the devolution of the American political mind and rugby field but in the end they wash in the same bathhouse.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (g8Hfr)

181 I think Trump is not only smart, but I am grateful for any cancelled debate at this point in the primary. Debates are not debates, they are reality shows. Set ups.

I want the one on one discussions with either an interviewer or an audience, like Trumps town halls. Cruz and Trump both benefit from now on in situations where they can actually talk at length about their policies instead of trying to outsnark each other on a debate stage. And Kasich has no place at all in a debate, because he cannot possibly win the nomination through the current rule set up.

The voters on the other side who might not want to vote for Hillary(Bernie's young bots) could be persuaded to vote for Cruz or Trumps economic policies if they actually got to hear them.

This is where Trump is not going to get strung along and to most of us, that's an admirable stand. For once, a Republican that recognizes the trap and refuses to step in it.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (rKNmI)

182 Trump is so stupid y'all! He's a trainwreck! He's a buffoon.
Yet he destroyed Jeb! and crushed Marco and is kicking Cruz's ass.
And he did it getting the MSM to pay for his campaign.
Really, really dumb, that Trump.

Trainwreck buffoons have won elected office in a democracy before. It's been known to happen. This is a guy who thinks the GDP is zero and that judges sign bills.

Posted by: AD at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (1mXAR)

183 >>>
"and then you have Paris. And then you have Los Angeles [he means San Bernadino]...uh...California. You have that terrible shooting where the fourteen young people are killed [he's conflating it with a school shooting?]

If Trump his own self were debating in the comments anonymously he would be torn to shreds, because we hone arguments.

...

i have no idea how people expect that he's going to "shred" Hillary Clinton.

90% of the book on her is already known by the public, already baked into the cake.

as for the trickier arguments to make on policy or subtle stuff -shyeah, Trump's the guy who can do that, the guy who spent the last month saying "Lyen Ted" and "Little Marco."

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (dciA+)

184 It's not a threat. Ace, you *WANT* it to be because it fits your narrative.

We've been reading and hearing speculation for months that a brokered convention will shatter the party, will cause so much trouble etc. This is less a threat than a logical leap. You better bet there's gonna be trouble at the convention no matter how it goes. You think the Trump/Anti trump crowds will play nice together???

Posted by: Tradd at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (GSJcT)

185 >>>167 His fighting with Megyn Kelly is beneath any professional person, let alone a nominee for POTUS. If I had these types of petty squabbles with a student or coworker of mine, publicly and on Twitter, I would be reprimanded by my boss, and rightfully so.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 10:32 AM (/FdlA)>>>

Very true.

Posted by: gm at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (K0tm3)

186 Protests, yes. Riots? I don't think I even know how to do that. Maybe someone can start an online class to teach nice middle-aged housewives how to riot.

Posted by: stace at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (ozZau)


I just can't imagine conservatives rioting. Like you, we just wouldn't know how to go about it. Digging obstacles, fortifying built-up areasand creating fields of fire, sure, but riots? No.

Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (UWlp+)

187
Obama does kinda say shit like that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (ODxAs)

188 Repost from last thread:

444
399

>>>


Yeah, actually. Independent voters hate the GOP, with or without the (e).





no they don't. independents are not super-into the GOP but they

generally vote with us, as they did in 2012 (and we still lost, of

course).





Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:10 AM (dciA+)



Yes, they do. They might vote for us as the lesser evil, but if they liked us they would be Republicans.

Trump
is winning because it's the economy, stupid. He is the only candidate
who recognizes that America is in decline and wants to do something
about it. *Every* other candidate, including super conservative Ted
Cruz, either denies America is in decline or insists the decline is
proper and inevitable and we all should just shut up and deal with it.



Posted by: schizoid at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (lC4lt)

189 And Yummy Annet Mahendru

*would love to have that meal on my dinner table


--

I think she speaks 6 languages or something, all of them sexily.
I suspect she may be an actual spy.

Posted by: @votermom at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (cbfNE)

190 175 Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (V/X7u)

Say what you will but Ms Kelly knows how to take an armdrag takedown suplex...

//Good Ole JR

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:35 AM (g8Hfr)

191 >>Are Trump and Kelly like Beatrice and Benedick? Do they just need to screw and get it over with?

Naw, Trump has always liked his petty twitter wars with other celebrities. This is just like Trump v. Rosie O'Donell. Think he does this sort of thing to entertain himself, and get moar publicity.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 16, 2016 10:35 AM (NOIQH)

192 I, for instance, can see the big picture on free(er) trade. I can read Thomas Sowell and pass Econ101.

Can we stop acting like "free trade" has anything to do with what's happened? Over-regulation forced a lot of jobs overseas, and the high-tech replacement jobs stopped happening because...why, government programs distorting labor markets, favoring foreign workers and companies wanting cheap labor!

"Free trade" hasn't existed in...well honestly I'm not clear that it's ever existed. Yet another utopian fantasy.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 10:35 AM (9krrF)

193 1) Trump is telling the truth about the riots, whether you want to hear it or not. Only riots involving people who are strongly in favor of the 2nd amendment against the people who want to nullify their vote would be a little bit different than riots involving people who want to take away the 2nd amendment against the people who want to preserve it.

2) Trump needs a better spokesman as to the debate. He should have just said he made other plans upon hearing that it wouldn't be a one on one debate with the only other candidate who can still win the nomination.

3) Megyn Kelly, after what she was saying yesterday, shouldn't be allowed within 30 yards of Trump. Her personal goal must be to destroy Trump in anyway she can. He would have to be an idiot to put himself in a pillary and to give her stones and tomatoes and a camera. It wouldn't be a 'debate', it would be a collaborative effort between Kelly and Cruz's campaign, no doubt choreographed to the last word of each question.

Posted by: doug at March 16, 2016 10:35 AM (4azI7)

194 How about the threats made from the martini-swilling GOP elitists in that video who are angry that Trump doesn't "respect authority" or "go with the hierarchy" and called for a "hostile takeover" and "dictatorship." What about those threats?

BTW Trump is an interloper of the GOP, and that's a good thing.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 16, 2016 10:36 AM (lVcuh)

195 >>>Megyn Kelly? She's a celebrity journalist, wants to be Bill O'Reilly, at our expense. She made herself part of the story, likely to advance her career and sell books.

i don't usually like the dumb name-changes people give political figures, like "Klintoon" or "Shillary," but a commenter here called her "MeAgain Kelly," and I thought that was a pretty good one.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:36 AM (dciA+)

196 WASHINGTON (AP) - One of the guns that Mexican officials say was found at the hideout of drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman Loera has been found to be associated with Fast and Furious, a failed "gun-walking" operation, according to the Justice Department.

The department said in a letter to members of Congress that a .50-caliber rifle that Mexican officials sent for tracing after Guzman's arrest in January has been connected to Fast and Furious.

Officials say the weapon was one of 19 firearms that Mexican authorities said was recovered from the hideout and was the only one determined to be associated with the botched sting operation, in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowed gun-runners to buy weapons in hopes of tracking them and disrupting gun smuggling rungs.

Posted by: I'm not Eric Holder or even an actor playing Eric Holder at March 16, 2016 10:36 AM (e8kgV)

197 171 >>>Fox News Debates have been absolutely worthless.

Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2016 10:27 AM (zt+N6)>>>

No doubt. They've been the worst.

Posted by: gm at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (K0tm3)



I wouldn't say the worst. But they're swimming in the same sewer as CBS, ABC, and CNBC.

Fox Business and CNN have had the best debates.


And when is the debate? Sure seems last minute to me since its not scheduled by my cable provider.

Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2016 10:36 AM (zt+N6)

198 as for the trickier arguments to make on policy or subtle stuff -shyeah, Trump's the guy who can do that, the guy who spent the last month saying "Lyen Ted" and "Little Marco."

---

I'm about 80% sure he's going to be using "Shrillary" on the reg and will probably think he came up with it.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 16, 2016 10:36 AM (eJjmS)

199 I'm just hoping after this is all over that Trump has thrown a giant monkey wrench into the machine that has been depriving us of representation and that our treasured republic will once again rise from the ruins.

Posted by: Emmie at March 16, 2016 10:36 AM (rRHdN)

200 Sorry for all the blank lines

Posted by: schizoid at March 16, 2016 10:36 AM (lC4lt)

201 #97

Grant was a great man, and a good person engaged in the patronage games
that were the historical norm of the time during his admittedly corrupt
terms in office.
=================

An excellent post, Sven. Just before the ACW, Grant was reduced to clerking in a saddlery store and selling firewood. Seated across the McClean's table at Appomattox, Lee and Grant chit-chatted about their service during the Mexican War. The aristocratic Lee didn't remember Grant from that time, but Grant recalled seeing Lee. Then, getting to business, Bobby Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia.

Posted by: mrp at March 16, 2016 10:37 AM (JBggj)

202 Godwin's Law invoked before we even reach the comments section. Sigh.

"Calling Arthur Fonzarelli... Calling Arthur Fonzarelli... Large member of superorder Selachimorpha rapidly approaching."

Posted by: Foul Harold at March 16, 2016 10:37 AM (FGvan)

203 >>Trainwreck buffoons have won elected office in a democracy before. It's
been known to happen. This is a guy who thinks the GDP is zero and that
judges sign bills.


I know, right?
People are still trying to get me to run for president in 2016.

Posted by: Joey "choo-choo" Biden at March 16, 2016 10:37 AM (NOIQH)

204 There is nothing wrong with skipping the umpteenth debate and speaking to AIPAC.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:37 AM (DUoqb)

205 But seriously, why choose a guy who could not hold his own here among Morons?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (1xUj/)

Because many of the morons have the benefit here of fact checking Google before they write their post. How many of us can remember the exact details of every news item we want to mention?

Trump talking up on stage doesn't have that benefit.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 16, 2016 10:37 AM (rKNmI)

206 178 Posted by: Insomniac at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (0mRoj)


fucking us running is an improvement...

for three decades we've allowed them to fuck us sitting still.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:38 AM (g8Hfr)

207 I could really go for a flaming skull right about now

Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 16, 2016 10:38 AM (egzLR)

208 Posted by: Tradd at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (GSJcT)

Read Trump's words carefully. It is a clear threat.

"I don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically...I think you'd have riots."

How much clearer do you want it?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 10:38 AM (Zu3d9)

209 OK, I'm trying to figure this out...

Are you saying that Trump should do another debate? And if so, how would that help him or the republicans in the general election?

Concerning the convention, if Cruz were in Trump's position and said exactly the same thing, would you be so outraged and upset?

Posted by: jwest at March 16, 2016 10:38 AM (Zs4uk)

210 Protests, yes. Riots? I don't think I even know how to do that. Maybe someone can start an online class to teach nice middle-aged housewives how to riot.

Right?! Conservative riot = Lutheran riot. Oh noes! But really, it's one to think, this could get ugly. It's quite another thing for a presidential candidate to say my supporters could riot if things don't go my way. I don't approve of this. I'd rather not have a gangster president who is okay with implicit threats of violence. I'm also against GOP elites thinking they can pull enough strings to get someone the nomination who wasn't even a nominee and thinking people will be sanguine about it this time around and hold their nose to vote.

Posted by: no good deed at March 16, 2016 10:39 AM (GgxVX)

211 Obama does kinda say shit like that.

Hey, thanks! I thought it was just me who thought that!

Posted by: tu3031 at March 16, 2016 10:39 AM (YFFpo)

212 77 - and your reasoning is exactly my reasoning. If it's a race between those two, I can't imagine being able to pull the lever for either one. So I will stay home.

Posted by: Sassy at March 16, 2016 10:39 AM (q7eWh)

213 I just figure there's gonna be riots and burning either way.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 16, 2016 10:39 AM (dBmVV)

214 >>>>he just doesn't offer reasons for it, except for "you either have a country or you don't," which actually is a good START of an argument, but he doesn't explain what that means or further persuade the persaudable but unpersuaded.

-------

This is where I've been disappointed with Cruz. It's such an easy argument to make with respect to the economy. Why have your wages been stagnant for 15 years? Illegals. Why can't you get that job? Illegals. Are these really jobs that Americans won't do? No, they're jobs that Americans won't do for what the greedheads want to pay. What will happen when we give these illegals amnesty? Even more illegals, because now that these people are legal their bosses will have to pay taxes on them and follow all the regulations that they weren't following before, which makes them less cost-effective, which means they will turn around and find new illegals.

Illegal immigration also ties into massive budget increases at all levels. Why are your taxes going through the roof? Welfare for illegals. More schools for the children of illegals. More prisons for criminal illegals.

And it also allows you to reach out to black voters by pointing out how they're being hurt the worst by illegals, and you don't even need to get a large percentage of black voters to win. Any Democrat candidate needs to pull at least 90% to win, so if you can reduce the Democrat's take to 85% you'll win.

So easy. I just don't know why he hasn't done it.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 16, 2016 10:39 AM (JxMoP)

215 Um, have you missed the last 30 years of the Clintons?

I
know you despise Trump, but the Clintons have committed corruption and
an unprecedented level - it puts all other politicians, past and
present, to shame for thinking small.

Also, the Clinton's have
made an art of demonizing their enemies, whether political or just
bureaucrats attempting to do their job, with scorched-earth hits. Want
to know thin-skinned, look no further than Hillary refusing to let the
press witness her boarding her d@mn plane.


Posted by: Lizzy at March 16, 2016 10:28 AM (NOIQH)
I don't know, Lizzy. Yes the Clintons are unbelievably corrupt. But not even they have gone so far as to suggest that maybe the libel laws should be "revised" because they got some negative press coverage. That is just downright chilling. Yes the Clintons would silence their enemies in scummy ways but it was not overt and chilling the way Trump wants to silence his enemies. Plus the Clintons directed their fire at Republicans. Trump directs his fire at everyone opposed to Trump, left or right.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 10:39 AM (/FdlA)

216 Slightly OT, but what is going on with the Missouri GOP race? Did they call it for anyone yet? Have the delegates been awarded?

Posted by: IC at March 16, 2016 10:39 AM (a0IVu)

217 >>>3) Megyn Kelly, after what she was saying yesterday, shouldn't be allowed within 30 yards of Trump. Her personal goal must be to destroy Trump in anyway she can. He would have to be an idiot to put himself in a pillary and to give her stones and tomatoes and a camera. It wouldn't be a 'debate', it would be a collaborative effort between Kelly and Cruz's campaign, no doubt choreographed to the last word of each question.
Posted by: doug at March 16, 2016 10:35 AM (4azI7)>>>

Kelly is out for herself. At the expense of Trump AND Cruz. Don't pretend that she's done Cruz any favors.

Posted by: gm at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (K0tm3)

218 Because many of the morons have the benefit here of fact checking Google before they write their post
___
Your employer, it's estimated, would see premiums fall by as much as
3,000 percent which means they could give you a
raise.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (X7E8f)

219 "I recommend you get some practice on your analogies."

Nah. Your response tells me I was on target.

Enjoy your new boyfriend. And try to stay fresh.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (V/X7u)

220 I know, right?
People are still trying to get me to run for president in 2016.
Posted by: Joey "choo-choo" Biden at March 16, 2016 10:37 AM (NOIQH)

Unity ticket. It's your best shot.

Posted by: AD at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (1mXAR)

221 205 Posted by: Jen the original at March 16, 2016 10:37 AM (rKNmI)


That's funny, because despite my (mostly loving) derision for lawyers that is precisely a skillset they have to have and do in fact develop.

If instant knowledge were a necessity for the Oval Office Bronk "uh er I can't hear myself"(b/c the fact checker in his ear piece was on the fritz) Obama would have never made the office.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (g8Hfr)

222 Trump talking up on stage doesn't have that benefit.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 16, 2016 10:37 AM (rKNmI)

That is true, but most other candidates take their preparation seriously.

Trump doesn't, and that worries me.

"It will be great!" is not a good replacement for actually knowing something about the topic at hand.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (Zu3d9)

223 fucking us running is an improvement...

for three decades we've allowed them to fuck us sitting still.




You got to sit?
Well look at Mr. Fancy Pants! Sitting.
Sheesh!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (gR+IE)

224 206 178 Posted by: Insomniac at March 16, 2016 10:33 AM (0mRoj)


fucking us running is an improvement...

for three decades we've allowed them to fuck us sitting still.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:38 AM (g8Hfr)

Ain't that the truth.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (0mRoj)

225 I think if Trump or Cruz is [out] front but falls short of 1237 by 100 delegates, and the GOP-e chooses Paul Ryan or whomever, there will be hell to pay. The GOP will definitely go the way of the Whigs. Maybe that's not a bad thing, but the country will collapse with Hilary and we'll never have a chance to see the GOP's replacement since the country will be gone.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2016 09:39 AM (p4UlV)

Posted by: andycanuck at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (ioqGj)

226 Saying there would be "riots" is a colloquial term that's thrown around all the time.

I remember hearing Presidential candidates say things like "there will be blood on the Convention floor if they put a pro-choice Republican on the ticket" Are people really going to be murdered when that was said? Nobody thought that.

There's all sorts of good reasons why Trump shouldn't be the nominee, he didn't get my vote.
But looking for anything that can make some bankshot off of the "brownshirt fascism" narrative is getting just stupid.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (ENycW)

227 205 But seriously, why choose a guy who could not hold his own here among Morons?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 16, 2016 10:31 AM (1xUj/)

Because many of the morons have the benefit here of fact checking Google before they write their post. How many of us can remember the exact details of every news item we want to mention?

Trump talking up on stage doesn't have that benefit.

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People ripped the hell out of Perry for his "oops" in 2012.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (eJjmS)

228 I saw Trainwreck Buffoons open for Timy Trump Hands at the Agora Ballroom in '92. Great show.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (jAZI6)

229 >>>167 His fighting with Megyn Kelly is beneath any professional person, let alone a nominee for POTUS. If I had these types of petty squabbles with a student or coworker of mine, publicly and on Twitter, I would be reprimanded by my boss, and rightfully so.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 10:32 AM (/FdlA)

Agreed. He's running his campaign like a pro wrestling storyline.

Posted by: brak at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (MJuTN)

230 Ted Cruz, either denies America is in decline or insists the decline is proper and inevitable and we all should just shut up and deal with it.
Posted by: schizoid at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (lC4lt)

Yeah, that's exactly what Cruz says. Precisely. Sure.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (Dttnn)

231 >Megyn Kelly? She's a celebrity journalist, wants to be Bill
O'Reilly, at our expense. She made herself part of the story, likely to
advance her career and sell books.

Yeah, she just got a yuuuge book deal and it now lauded by the MSM, in places like Vanity Fair and People. I think Trump's obsession with her is icky, but I don't think it's really harmed her - more like it's made her an MSM hero for standing up to Trump.

Posted by: Joey at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (NOIQH)

232 So Fox News spends all that time pimping for Trump - I'm looking at you, Hannity, and O'Reilly - and now Kelly is Crazy Megyn? This is the buffoon that people think is 'Presidential'? Yeesh!

Posted by: benning at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (pttHf)

233 I could really go for a flaming skull right about now

3oz Butterscotch Schnapps
3oz Cinnamon Schnapps
3oz Irish Cream
Directions:
Mix together with crushed ice in a glass and garnish with mint leaves

Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (9krrF)

234 "But not even they have gone so far as to suggest that maybe the libel laws should be "revised" because they got some negative press coverage."

Citizens United.

Film-maker jailed for "inciting" Bengazi.

But no, Hillary hasn't "suggested" anything like Trump. You can check her emails if you don't believe me...

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:42 AM (V/X7u)

235 218 Posted by: Barack Obama at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (X7E8f)


THAT is right Barry....

Healthcare costs fell THIRTY fold....

see folks the media doesn't give a damn if they elect a literal sack of shit intellect wise so long as the graft and good socialist times roll.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:42 AM (g8Hfr)

236 Not sure what happened up thread, but this sounds good for Cruz. Alone on a stage with just Kasich. That should give a nice opportunity to look adult.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 16, 2016 10:42 AM (GfnT3)

237 Will they let the RNC rioters run rampant like the Freddy Gray Justice League in Baltimore?

Posted by: HillbillyKing at March 16, 2016 10:42 AM (8WoDg)

238 eres un HUEVÓN. HUEVONAZO.

Posted by: ... at March 16, 2016 10:42 AM (nLf34)

239 I seem to remember MUCH outrage about allowing Dems to moderate 'debates' last election.... because it scews the results.

After the last Fox Debate, Chris Wallace was on a Sunday Morning media talk show, where he bragged about how he had 4 pages of graphics ready to go, to contradict Trump if he brought up certain things.

That is not moderating... that is advocacy.

The Kelly files have gone full on Anti Trump. They have not had a Trump supporter on the program in weeks... and every lead story has been Anti Trump.

Of course those who ARE Anti Trump, will not see it.... as it plays into their own biases... but its there....

Now, based on those three things... why should Trump go to a 'Debate' that his Campaign never agreed to????

Why should Trump allow an Anti Trump group, to show up somewhere no in his best interest???

Oh.... because if he doesn't... he's SCARED???

Here.... go jump on that landmine... if not you are a scaredy cat!

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 16, 2016 10:43 AM (RK8AH)

240 Agreed. He's running his campaign like a pro wrestling storyline.
Posted by: brak at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (MJuTN)


Is the Face-Heel Turn still coming or has it happened yet? It's hard to tell these days.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 16, 2016 10:43 AM (KUaJL)

241 "Would you nod along and say "You tell 'em, Obama. You rattle that saber about the mob uprisings you could stir."

Well, everybody understands a "riot" by Trump supporters would mean the trash all gets picked up and local businesses would get a boost.

And then there are Obama style riots.....

Posted by: President Camacho at March 16, 2016 10:43 AM (hYzAk)

242 But looking for anything that can make some bankshot off of the "brownshirt fascism" narrative is getting just stupid.

If it was a one-off statement, sure, but it isn't. It's a pattern of behavior for him.

Posted by: no good deed at March 16, 2016 10:43 AM (GgxVX)

243 Smells like ban hammer in here... It's hard to say if this is a St Patrick's Day Massacre or just lemmings offing themselves. Either way it's time for the rabble to go, I can scroll past most of it but I don't blame Ace for cleaning house. Some of it is just noise, but I don't recall it being this prevalent before this election.
Anyway, I think that Trump could out and out call for riots in the streets and a fair number of his believers would still say it wasn't what he meant. In this case though he may be right whether he says it or not.
It's going to get worse before November I fear. Too much emotion, too much propaganda, and not enough common damn sense.
Not going building a bunker just yet, but how much more ridiculous can it get. No, that's not a challenge. Really.



Posted by: IP at March 16, 2016 10:43 AM (aQQbl)

244 Just got here.... I want to thank Ace for the thread below.. It's been hard coming here with all the vitriol among everyone Who doesn't agree with your Candidate.... That being said I think it would help Mr. Trump if he would tone down the rhetoric just a tad....

Posted by: donna at March 16, 2016 10:43 AM (/dSsq)

245 "People ripped the hell out of Perry for his "oops" in 2012."

How hard would it be to memorize three three-letter government agencies that you should be able to identify just as an educated citizen, let alone a presidential candidate?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 16, 2016 10:43 AM (0mRoj)

246 The primaries aren't over yet. There still might be a big surprise.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 10:43 AM (Fmupd)

247 Why do not people see thru this clown? What was that skit on SNL with the compulsive lair? Should be redone with Trump and run as commercials.

Posted by: Paladin at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (YNPwP)

248 Riots at the convention would involve a lot of finger wagging and stern stares.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (jAZI6)

249
Is the Face-Heel Turn still coming or has it happened yet? It's hard to tell these days.

He's really more of a tweener...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (9krrF)

250 >>Megyn Kelly, after what she was saying yesterday, shouldn't be allowed within 30 yards of Trump.


What did she say?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (NOIQH)

251
Don't like Trump but I don't blame him for skipping that debate either. We have always bitched about repubs setting themselves up to be a victim in debates and he is avoiding that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (ODxAs)

252 Who is Donald Trump?

Posted by: John Galt at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (Xf1Tv)

253 I don't really care to hear the opinion of anyone who will not support the Republican Nominee for President.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (DUoqb)

254 The only time I remember righties coming close to anything resembling a riot was during the recount in 2000, a bunch of them tried to get into one of the offices where the recount was being done I think and after they were pushed out they stood at the door chanting and yelling, been a while so that might not be completely accurate, but it's pretty close.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (yos+4)

255
I think she speaks 6 languages or something, all of them sexily.
I suspect she may be an actual spy.

Posted by: @votermom at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (cbfNE)

Persian, English, German, Russian, French and Hindi.

She wanted to work for the UN.


Thank you Fate. Thank you.

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (mEZce)

256 Great thread idea!!!

Compare and Contrast what a DNC riot vs RNC riot would look like!

Posted by: HillbillyKing at March 16, 2016 10:45 AM (8WoDg)

257 "Godwin's Law invoked before we even reach the comments section"

Haven't you heard? Godwin's Law is suspended as regards Trump. And later, Cruz. Because, reasons.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:45 AM (V/X7u)

258 Obama does kinda say shit like that.

Hey, thanks! I thought it was just me who thought that!
Posted by: tu3031

Bring a gun, punch back twice as hard.

The New (and improved!) Black Panthers getting a pass on polling place violence.

Rioting in Ferguson tat left people dead and the destruction on minority owned business were part of "legitimate grievences".

Biden: they will put you all in chains"

Who got the idea that violent rehtoric just started? There's no truth to it whatsoever.

It IS true that the MFM allowed JEF to say this shit and THEN prattle on about civility.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:45 AM (326rv)

259
I just figure there's gonna be riots and burning either way.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah

Even if it weren't an election year.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 16, 2016 10:45 AM (FkBIv)

260 Cruz should bring an empty chair to argue with at the debate. I don't think Trump wants Cruz in a one on one format, or with Katshit

Posted by: Marco Robtio at March 16, 2016 10:45 AM (3mTyP)

261 I read this great thing about having and enforcing standards this one time. A really smart man wrote it.

"On one hand, I oppose outrage firings, even if someone did something wrong. A person's life and value is more than just a few seconds caught on video, or social media.

On the other hand: It is the left that pushes this regime of Outrage Firing and Scalp Hunting, and they will never tire of the practice so long as it is permitted to be something that applies to their enemies only.

No one ever notices the unfairness of something that is visited only upon their enemies -- but they're damn quick to notice it when it falls upon themselves."

That man's name?

Ace of Spades.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 10:45 AM (xuouz)

262 245 "People ripped the hell out of Perry for his "oops" in 2012."

How hard would it be to memorize three three-letter government agencies that you should be able to identify just as an educated citizen, let alone a presidential candidate?

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About as hard as knowing the difference between a school shooting and Islamic terrorism, give or take.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 16, 2016 10:46 AM (eJjmS)

263 249 Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 10:44 AM (9krrF)


as is 90% of the roster which is killing the business IMHO...

quick am I speaking of the GOP or WWE as a whole in either case?

You can't tell.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 10:46 AM (g8Hfr)

264 But looking for anything that can make some bankshot off of the "brownshirt fascism" narrative is getting just stupid.

If it was a one-off statement, sure, but it isn't. It's a pattern of behavior for him.
Posted by: no good deed




It has become a pattern because certain elements want it to be a pattern and are weaving a narrative. The problem is, most of this narrative is coming from our side of the aisle because people are angry "their guy" didn't win.

A Secret Service agent grabs an instigator that wasn't complying and suddenly it becomes Trump giving orders to his Storm Troopers.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 16, 2016 10:46 AM (ENycW)

265 >>How hard would it be to memorize three three-letter government agencies
that you should be able to identify just as an educated citizen, let
alone a presidential candidate?

IIRC, he was on pain meds for his back. That was stupid to do a debate on pain meds.

However, Hillary just this week said no Americans killed in Libya because she's already forgotten the four people she got killed in Benghazi.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 16, 2016 10:46 AM (NOIQH)

266 Ever watch Megan Kelly with the sound off and while listening to Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon......#mindblown

Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 16, 2016 10:46 AM (egzLR)

267 Burn On.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtW8RkI3-c4

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 16, 2016 10:46 AM (NQmg1)

268 "The only time I remember righties coming close to anything resembling a riot was during the recount in 2000, a bunch of them tried to get into one of the offices where the recount was being done I think and after they were pushed out they stood at the door chanting and yelling, been a while so that might not be completely accurate, but it's pretty close."

Close enough. They caught the Dems trying to recount votes behind closed doors, without any transparency or oversight, ie the Dems were cheating and kicking the door in was the only way to stop it.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:46 AM (V/X7u)

269 The primaries aren't over yet. There still might be a big surprise.
Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 10:43 AM (Fmupd)

When you write that, I read it in the voice of Schwarzenegger's fake head in Total Recall.

Posted by: AD at March 16, 2016 10:47 AM (1mXAR)

270 I could see "police riots" if Boehner downs some shots and forces Paul Ryan on the convention. Trump's delegates and possibly some Cruz delegates and exCarson-Christie boo loudly, hang around outside, and them get attacked by police. Because authoritah.

See what happened to those anti-union guys in Wisconsin.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 16, 2016 10:47 AM (Wghqr)

271 ***"Yes, they do. They might vote for us as the lesser evil, but if they liked us they would be Republicans."***


By this logic, you could replace "Rebpublicans" with 'Democrats'. the undeniable fact of the matter is that Independents don't hate the GOP any more than the Donks or else you wouldn't be able to prove it by noting that Romney overwhelmingly won Independents in 2012.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 16, 2016 10:47 AM (Wckf4)

272 Trump speaks without thinking often and he is gong to have to stop that. He is gong to have to understand every word and letter and punctuation he utters will be interpreted. Using the word "Riot" was a poor choice. I doubt very much a physical riot, he meant a huge argument and floor fight yada yada yada

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:47 AM (DUoqb)

273 he just doesn't offer reasons for it, except for "you either have a country or you don't," which actually is a good START of an argument, but he doesn't explain what that means or further persuade the persaudable but unpersuaded.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2016 10:24 AM (dciA+)

He repeatedly discusses immigration as it relates to crime, especially heroin trafficking but also sanctuary cities etc., jobs, respecting the rule of law, and yes - sovereignty.

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at March 16, 2016 10:47 AM (TFWFz)

274 It has become a pattern because certain elements want it to be a pattern and are weaving a narrative.

Sure, it has nothing to do with things he's actually said. Go with that.

Posted by: no good deed at March 16, 2016 10:47 AM (GgxVX)

275 Obama has said shit like that a number of times. Sheesh.

And if the RINOs steal the nomination then yeah, let it burn. I just don't care anymore.

Posted by: Blano at March 16, 2016 10:48 AM (sdPF/)

276 Citizens United.



Film-maker jailed for "inciting" Bengazi.


But while we know they want to silence conservatives, they cloak their desires behind legitimate-sounding issues, like "campaign finance reform". That is how they get otherwise virtuous people to buy into their corruption.


Trump just goes right out and says "I want to silence my enemies" with no plausibly laudable rationale. I mean, there is no real big problem with libel laws. It is obvious he just wants to shut up people who disagree with him.


That is why I say they are just two different types of authoritarians. Hillary is the stealth authoritarian, Trump is the in-your-face authoritarian. Hillary is slightly worse in that she is able to sneak her authoritarianism past people, but I don't think that makes her orders of magnitude worse than Trump.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 10:48 AM (/FdlA)

277 Grant was a fairly lousy human being, and all things considered McClellan was considered a fairly decent one. But one man actually fought. Perhaps some suspect that even if Trump is disordered like Grant...at least he fights. And look my preference is Cruz, and there is no doubt Cruz fights. BUT Lincoln too overlooked a ton of faults because Grant fought.
Posted by: gov98 at March 16, 2016 08:58 AM (d9LVc)

Yeah Grant who worked on his memoirs while dying of throat cancer was fairly lousy. /sarc

Grant was flawed but he wasn't lousy.

Posted by: WOPR at March 16, 2016 10:48 AM (LTDSy)

278 He's a fucking asshole.

I'll vote for anybody but Clinton, but he's a goddamn disgrace.

A goombah from Queens, all bluster, nothing there.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 16, 2016 10:48 AM (U6f54)

279 I do not want Trump as the nominee, but I am getting Trump as the nominee. Obama ( and Bush) proves that point. I am worried about the Supreme Court. I would hope that Cruz stays in the race and could leverage his delegates toward that end. I would be happy if Cruz was nominated for the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at March 16, 2016 10:48 AM (AQpnq)

280 240 Agreed. He's running his campaign like a pro wrestling storyline.
Posted by: brak at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (MJuTN)


Is the Face-Heel Turn still coming or has it happened yet? It's hard to tell these days.


Part of me expects him to drop out of the race sometime around late October just to completely screw the GOP.

Posted by: Cantankerous at March 16, 2016 10:48 AM (326rv)

281 Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:40 AM (V/X7u)


Whatever you think suffices for a rational argument, Junior.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 16, 2016 10:48 AM (Wckf4)

282 Kelly is out for herself. At the expense of Trump AND Cruz. Don't pretend that she's done Cruz any favors.

--------

My assessment too. Her personal ambition is fine, but we don't have to call it something else. She has obviously done well for herself. In the end, I think she votes Hillary because ... hear me roar. But that is simply my own speculation.

Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 10:48 AM (gmeXX)

283 233 I could really go for a flaming skull right about now

3oz Butterscotch Schnapps
3oz Cinnamon Schnapps
3oz Irish Cream
Directions:
Mix together with crushed ice in a glass and garnish with mint leaves
Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (9krrF)

Holy cow, that's diabetes in a glass!

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at March 16, 2016 10:49 AM (RD7QR)

284 I still don't understand why Rubio would drop out after his huge second-place win In Florida.

Posted by: Boone at March 16, 2016 10:49 AM (vq6QR)

285 A Secret Service agent grabs an instigator that wasn't complying and suddenly it becomes Trump giving orders to his Storm Troopers.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 16, 2016 10:46 AM (ENycW)

well ya know it fits the narrative and some people have no actually facts to do on so....

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:49 AM (DUoqb)

286 Repost of something potentially significant, and non-Trump:

In other news, in its FOIA litigation Judicial Watch has named eight Hillary cronies it wants to depose including Huma, Cheryl and Pagliano, holding back on deposing Hillary for the moment.

When deposed, Huma and Cheryl will each have to walk across a dense 100-yard mine field of questions. Recall that Cheryl was the point on deciding which of the 80,000 e-mails were "personal" and deletable, and which had to be turned over to State for FOIA purposes.

We can expect (and pray) that Huma and Cheryl will be forced to plead the Fifth. This will embarass Hillary, but more importantly, make it that much harder for the DOJ/FBI to say "move along, nothing to see here."

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 16, 2016 10:49 AM (r1fLd)

287  That being said I think it would help Mr. Trump if he would tone down the rhetoric just a tad....Posted by: donna

Tone down the rhetoric and he's off the front page every day.

But I agree with you. I think I saw signs of that the other day when he had Chris Christie 'moderating' at a campaign rally. It was boring as hell.

Posted by: mega machines at March 16, 2016 10:49 AM (fbovC)

288 Grant understood the great advantage the Union had in manpower and was willing to exploit it. If the union lost a thousand men in battle, they could replace them. The Army of Northern Virginia could not. Willingness to throw his men into a meat grinder was what set Grant apart from his predecessors.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 16, 2016 10:49 AM (kTF2Z)

289 Comparing Hillary and Trump:

I really don't think Trump would have ignored an ambassador and left him to die in a riot.

One thing we've seen while he's an utter dick to his critics he is also intensely loyal to his people.

Posted by: @votermom at March 16, 2016 10:49 AM (cbfNE)

290 Ace, you're starting to worry me.

What Trump said is not a threat, but a statement of fact: if the GOP acts in a totalitarian manner and tries to nullify the votes of millions of its constituents---and this includes those who voted for Ted Cruz, who has a large following---then Republican voters will abandon it en masse, and the party's demise will be a fait accompli. Even Cruz has said the Republican establishment's playing with fire.

This is true for both parties.

The Democrats have a similar problem because the substantial constituency that voted for Bernie is finally realizing the perfidy of their party. Bernie never had a chance of success because their primaries are fixed to support the establishment. The establishment candidate never had a chance of losing, and Bernie supporters were deceived into participating in a charade. (Just like most elections in Chicago.)

If I'm correct, we'll see their anger play out this summer.








Posted by: ahem at March 16, 2016 10:50 AM (lKGzI)

291 Ace,
I saw s comment last night & couldn't believe the hate in it. I posted my comment & the other was gone.

This belongs in the last thread but I'm glad you're using The Banhammer.

Posted by: Carol at March 16, 2016 10:50 AM (sj3Ax)

292 So why be there?

Cruz can use it as a 2 hour infomercial.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 16, 2016 10:50 AM (rwI+c)

293 I see a lot of comment's about Cruz's chances. Hey, as a Cruz supporter, here's the deal, we're in it until he ends it.

Like those who believed in the Spirit of '76, we believe it's worth fighting for. We'd rather show our children what it means to go down fighting than quietly submit to authoritarians.

Posted by: heartofdarkness at March 16, 2016 10:50 AM (MQ0Jr)

294 271
***"Yes, they do. They might vote for us as the lesser evil, but if they liked us they would be Republicans."***





By this logic, you could replace "Rebpublicans" with 'Democrats'.
the undeniable fact of the matter is that Independents don't hate the
GOP any more than the Donks or else you wouldn't be able to prove it by
noting that Romney overwhelmingly won Independents in 2012.




Yes, I could replace "Republicans" with "Democrats." Most Americans hate both parties. And I do mean hate.

Posted by: schizoid at March 16, 2016 10:50 AM (lC4lt)

295 I love how the GOP is told to use the left's tactics to fight, and then when they do, the same people wail and gnash their teeth.

Posted by: Roy at March 16, 2016 10:50 AM (VndSC)

296 When you write that, I read it in the voice of Schwarzenegger's fake head in Total Recall.
Posted by: AD at March 16, 2016 10:47 AM (1mXAR)


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Who knows. Gillmore might jump back in and take it all.

Ted! Get to deh choppah!

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (Fmupd)

297 People ripped the hell out of Perry for his "oops" in 2012.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 16, 2016 10:41 AM (eJjmS)

--------------------------

Yeah, too bad he couldn't check google to find out his own policies.

(Actually, he lost me when he told me I have no heart because I'd rather give my money directly to charities that build schools in Mexico than have it stolen directly from my pocket so illegal aliens can get degrees in Anti-White Studies at U Texas.)

Posted by: iforgot at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (pC96u)

298 So easy. I just don't know why he hasn't done it.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 16, 2016 10:39 AM (JxMoP)

Because he does not believe it.... you only need to look at his own family and personal history to know he will NOT support slowing down immigration.... on tightening up citizenship laws.

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (RK8AH)

299 Again any actual "proof" , ya know like real examples that apply to politics, that Trump is an "Authoritarian" what ever that means? Is any "Leader" NOT an Authoritarian? You show me a non-authoritarian leader and I'll show you a shitty leader.

To me it's a straw man argument

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (DUoqb)

300 285 A Secret Service agent grabs an instigator that wasn't complying and suddenly it becomes Trump giving orders to his Storm Troopers.


Since that "meme" is out there perhaps He should can the "there will be riots" if I don't win stuff... kind of falls right into the perception of Him doesn't it....

Posted by: donna at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (/dSsq)

301 Wait a minute, I'm posting Maybe he's not a plant on the last thread and Donald is stepping on his dick in the new thread. Must be time for a walk. Or a day that ends in y.

Posted by: DaveA at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (DL2i+)

302 I'm pro-immigration, but get why people are upset about it.

Maybe a good way to broach this would be to start off saying "I would like to halt all immigration from Europe, Australia, and Canada."

Then people wouldn't jump to brown people immediately.

Posted by: Harun at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (UBBWX)

303 I wonder if Cruz can shame Trump into another debate -- "Donald is afraid to debate me"?

Could #FraidyTrump be a thing?

Trump would probably threaten to sue Cruz unless he stopped with the "FraidyTrump" already.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (UwQ7q)

304 What Trump said is not a threat, but a statement of fact:

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It can actually be and is both and some of us expect better from our representatives or those seeking to represent us.

Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 10:52 AM (gmeXX)

305 Megan Kelly is a celebrity journalist by which I mean her T and A has a lot more to do with her popularity than her IQ. The mere fact that the media is filled with such types doesn't change or excuse that one iota.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 16, 2016 10:52 AM (2Ps+G)

306 Posted by: @votermom at March 16, 2016 10:49 AM (cbfNE)

He's not so good to his vendors and business partners.

Ask around the construction industry in NYC. He is not well liked.

As in, he doesn't pay his bills and says, "Fvck you, sue me."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 10:52 AM (Zu3d9)

307 Not sure what happened up thread, but this sounds good for Cruz. Alone on a stage with just Kasich. That should give a nice opportunity to look adult.
Posted by: Dave in Fla

How so?They will still likely talk about trump, and the GOPe wants katshit to stay in. And they don't want Cruz either.

So what would he gain from exposing himself? Do we think that he'd get a polling bump from that? Most polls show no good result from debates. Screwing up big time in one DOES have a result.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2016 10:53 AM (326rv)

308 I really don't think Trump would have ignored an ambassador and left him to die in a riot.



One thing we've seen while he's an utter dick to his critics he is also intensely loyal to his people.

That just means he'd hold 'his people' even less accountable than Obama and Hillary have when they fuck up.

Posted by: NeverTrump at March 16, 2016 10:53 AM (gI9Bk)

309 Look at the way Donald Trump is swinging his sword. It's all wrong. Shit's fucked up. I mean this is unbelievable. The guy has no fucking form. I can't even fucking watch this.

Look at the way he just hacked off Jeb's arm. What would have been an easy 12-6 downswing he like, he came at it on an angle. So sloppy. And now he's taunting him, like, what is that? He's just another foppish knight from the House of Bush. I could have killed him too.

See him decapitate Jorge Ramos? Took him like, four swings.

What a fag.

Look he used his dagger on that SJW footman. What's the matter Donald? Sword get too heavy? Sheesh. No respect for the game.

This tournament is going to hell. And the gold armor? The big crested helmet? Fucking tacky.

*sniff*

I guess we're done having standards.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 10:53 AM (xuouz)

310 Apart from being a wise, generous, and handsome leader, there's something I will say for ace-at least when he criticizes Trump and Trump supporters it's based on something. It may make me uncomfortable to hear/see some things that he brings up about my preferred candidate, but at least it's SOMETHING. And his criticism of Trump supporters is based in us (sometimes) willfully ignoring points he thinks are important. That's fair. Plus it's his blog, he can do what he wants.

What I am tired of is hearing about how I'm a brownshirt/hillbilly/idiot like all his other voters and will be all too willing to attack the latest victim of the week in a uncontrolled spate of "ism's." Even in this thread. Don't use SJW tactics on me. Ain't gonna work. We get it, you don't like Trump. I've had about enough of the virtue signaling.

Posted by: Alex #11 at March 16, 2016 10:53 AM (EUMt/)

311 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 16, 2016 10:52 AM (2Ps+G)

I don't have any idea what you are talking about.

http://tinyurl.com/mphamc8

NSFW (sort of)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 10:53 AM (Zu3d9)

312 Trump is right about riots. He wasn't specific though. Bernie's supporters will eventually find out what superdelegates are for, and start pooping on cop cars. It'll be a riot.

Posted by: Roy at March 16, 2016 10:53 AM (VndSC)

313 Close enough. They caught the Dems trying to recount votes behind closed doors, without any transparency or oversight, ie the Dems were cheating and kicking the door in was the only way to stop it.

Ahh ok, I knew there was a reason for it, I just couldn't remember what it was.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at March 16, 2016 10:53 AM (yos+4)

314 TWO standards or we are fcuked! Riots!(in response to Ace's question).

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (T5Ui0)

315 305 Megan Kelly is a celebrity journalist by which I mean her T and A has a lot more to do with her popularity than her IQ. The mere fact that the media is filled with such types doesn't change or excuse that one iota.


Evidently Megan has gotten under a lot of Peoples skin..... I just think that Trump could stop with the petty insults on twitter...

Posted by: donna at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (/dSsq)

316 I hate to admit I have Beck on waiting for Rush. They were wondering if Cruz would apologize to McConnell. I doubt Cruz will.

Posted by: Carol at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (sj3Ax)

317 Nevergiveup,

Do you know who was idealized as a leader by the founding fathers?

Cincinattus. Because he didn't love power.

Do you understand that Washington, the father of our country, refused to be a king, and refused to run more than twice?

In other words, we want leaders who do not love power but wield it reluctantly.

See Calvin Coolidge for a great example.


I see Cruz as possibly in this mold.

Posted by: Harun at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (UBBWX)

318 Trump is not what I would call a modern day conservative, he's more like a Richard Nixon.

Still, I'll take Nixon over McGovern, only throw in the Clintons are beyond corrupt, and that's just what we already know about.

So "fascist" Trump that threatens to sue reporters for libel seeming like pretty weak sauce if your making a case for why he's "dangerous".

Posted by: Baldwin at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (ENycW)

319 Yeah, too bad he couldn't check google to find out his own policies.

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I didn't say it wasn't justified. I'm saying it's fairly new (and ridiculous) to excuse a politician's misstatements or brain farts with "well he can't google up there on stage!"

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (eJjmS)

320 I said this on the previous post:

http://tinyurl.com/za5goaz

Gallup Net Favorable / Unfavorable

Trump R +27 I -27 D -70
Cruz R +51 I -3 D -37
Rubio R +46 I +4 D -28

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (VdICR)

321 99 >>Enough with the hyperbole please. Trump is a trainwreck, but Hillary is an Extinction Level Event.

Oh, I don't know. Considering Trump donated to her campaign multiple times, donated $100K to the Clinton foundation, invited her to his wedding, and repeatedly praised her she must be great, the best.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (FPWDp)

322 He's not so good to his vendors and business partners.

Ask around the construction industry in NYC. He is not well liked.

As in, he doesn't pay his bills and says, "Fvck you, sue me."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 10:52 AM (Zu3d9)

I believe you. But I'd like to see solid examples not just named innuendo. That's just to easy. Sigh.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (DUoqb)

323 Hoo boy. This thread's ready to go bad.

I should go be useful offline. Try not to get mass banninated, Horde...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, signalling the trebuchets at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (9krrF)

324 They were wondering if Cruz would apologize to McConnell.

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For what???

Posted by: fixerupper at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (8XRCm)

325 299
Again any actual "proof" , ya know like real examples that apply to
politics, that Trump is an "Authoritarian" what ever that means?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (DUoqb)

An authoritarian is someone who uses the authority of government to do something I don't like.

Posted by: schizoid at March 16, 2016 10:55 AM (lC4lt)

326 Enough debates. Trump is being politically correct in this instance by providing an excuse, instead of just saying enough with the debates.

Posted by: Phil Dayton at March 16, 2016 10:55 AM (eFytx)

327 Do you know who was idealized as a leader by the founding fathers?

Cincinattus. Because he didn't love power.

Do you understand that Washington, the father of our country, refused to be a king, and refused to run more than twice?

In other words, we want leaders who do not love power but wield it reluctantly.

See Calvin Coolidge for a great example.


I see Cruz as possibly in this mold.
Posted by: Harun at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (UBBWX)

??? You direct that at me? But what's your point? By the way I am a Cruz supporter

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:55 AM (DUoqb)

328 Mulling over the election results, I find no blame for Trump. I find blame for Rubio staying in and Kasich, too.

Posted by: Harun at March 16, 2016 10:56 AM (UBBWX)

329 Gallup Net Favorable / Unfavorable

Trump R +27 I -27 D -70
Cruz R +51 I -3 D -37
Rubio R +46 I +4 D -28
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (VdICR)

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And I asked:

Then how is Trump winning??

Im not trying to be an ass, but there seems to be a disconnect between your polling and reality.

Those numbers indicate that Rubio and Cruz should be duking it out, with Trump a distant third.

So.... what are they missing.?



You never answered.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 16, 2016 10:56 AM (8XRCm)

330 Bernie's supporters will eventually find out what superdelegates are for
Posted by: Roy at March 16, 2016 10:53 AM (VndSC)


This is a whole other issue simmering away today...
We know the OWS/BLM/WTF crowd has no clue, what happens when they are feeling the Bern for real?

Posted by: IP at March 16, 2016 10:56 AM (aQQbl)

331 Trump is so Punk Rock he's blowing everybody's Minds.

Posted by: zzBottom at March 16, 2016 10:56 AM (SAV4V)

332 Debates are a distraction construct of the Jews. Or of Idahoans.

Posted by: Der Ubertrumpen at March 16, 2016 10:56 AM (GKCQe)

333 Protests, yes. Riots? I don't think I even know how to do that. Maybe someone can start an online class to teach nice middle-aged housewives how to riot.-----stace

1) Eat a large meal
2) A couple hoours later, find a police car....

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 16, 2016 10:56 AM (1JqUE)

334 I think it's a good move to skip the "debate." The questions will be variations of "Mr Trump said X, is he just wrong or is he evil?"

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 16, 2016 10:56 AM (kTF2Z)

335 I actually don't blame Trump for this. I thought FOX "unilaterally" announced another debate. At this point why? And I think he's right. People are fucking pissed. They've had it, they're giving the system one last chance. And if the elites fuck with it, the social compact is truly broken and game on.

As a Cruz guy I hate to say this, but if he doesn't win big in the next round, he should drop, endorse Trump and fuck the true enemy, the GOPe by denying them their "brokered convention". And Trump should do the same if Cruz does win big. Of course it won't happen, and the GOPe will win because stupid party.

Posted by: Iblis at March 16, 2016 10:56 AM (9221z)

336 HE WANTS TO HAVE RIOTS SO HE CAN THROW US ALL IN THE CAMPS!!!

Posted by: The Hysterical Sally Kohn at March 16, 2016 10:57 AM (YFFpo)

337 This is a whole other issue simmering away today...
We know the OWS/BLM/WTF crowd has no clue, what happens when they are feeling the Bern for real?

Nah, Old Bern will graciously bow out soon and tell all His little Socialist groupies to vote for Hillary!

Posted by: donna at March 16, 2016 10:57 AM (/dSsq)

338 off sock, Donald doesn't want to debate Cruz when there isn't a bunch of extra noise.

Trump supporters are delusional when they say he doesn't say stupid shit and flip on issues to suit the day. Some Trump supporters remind me of the Obama supports and Hillary supporters in their blind faith.

I live in California so my vote doesn't matter anyway

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 16, 2016 10:57 AM (3mTyP)

339 So who is this Judge Fredo nominated?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:57 AM (DUoqb)

340 If the Republican Party attempts to replace the nominee with a Ryan/Romney, then they will take years to recover.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at March 16, 2016 10:57 AM (AQpnq)

341 "Grant was flawed but he wasn't lousy."

Agreed. And I think Grant himself would agree.

If any of you haven't read it, I highly recommend Grant's memoirs. You can get them free on the web or on Kindle.

Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (CcpUn)

342 Im not trying to be an ass, but there seems to be a disconnect between your polling and reality.[//i]

yep

Posted by: Mortimer at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (4viQH)

343 ace - warning noted, apology given. didn't mean attacking Trump supporters but having open protests outside their events to let them know the bigotry and hatred that seems to be part of the message isn't welcome. anyway, I'm sorry it came across in the manner it did. As Gandhi pointed out, violence is never an option and likewise, those who race to the gutter to embrace emotional attacks end up failing their cause. cheers.

Posted by: Multitude at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (hnG+0)

344 I live in California so my vote doesn't matter anyway
Posted by: The Jackhole at March 16, 2016 10:57 AM (3mTyP)

Not with that attitude it doesn't!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (xuouz)

345 If the Republican Party attempts to replace the nominee with a Ryan/Romney, then they will take years to recover.
Posted by: Chicago Vota at March 16, 2016 10:57 AM (AQpnq)

It would NEVER recover

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (DUoqb)

346 I live in California so my vote doesn't matter anyway


Me too, For once I'm glad...

Posted by: donna at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (/dSsq)

347 Fixer upper,
The GOPe wants Cruz to apologize for calling Mitch a liar on the Senate floor in June or July of last year.

Cornyn supposedly called Cruz after he won Texas to tell him that & if he does, they will support him vs Trump.

Posted by: Carol at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (sj3Ax)

348 299 Again any actual "proof" , ya know like real examples that apply to politics, that Trump is an "Authoritarian" what ever that means? Is any "Leader" NOT an Authoritarian? You show me a non-authoritarian leader and I'll show you a shitty leader.

To me it's a straw man argument
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:51 AM (DUoqb)

Just my $0.02:

A Constitutional leader understands that his authority derives from the consent of the governed, to advance the interests of the governed, as spelled out in our founding documents.

An authoritarian leader rules by "because I said so," because it is more critical to him to preserve his own authority for his own reasons.

Posted by: Dante at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (MhcoS)

349 316 I hate to admit I have Beck on waiting for Rush. They were wondering if Cruz would apologize to McConnell. I doubt Cruz will.

Posted by: Carol at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (sj3Ax)


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I still think Cruz might be on the ticket with Trump.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (Fmupd)

350 People who are secure in their own skin, secure with their manhood don't behave this way- petty, defensive, insulting with false braggadocio.

These are the symptoms of a deeply insecure pussybitch.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (XhSez)

351 ***"I believe you. But I'd like to see solid examples not just named innuendo. That's just to easy. Sigh.


Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (DUoqb) "***


I know you've read examples here. They're on this thread. Ace has blogged about them. So I'm not sure why you're demanding repeats of which you're well aware. His comments on how he would use the military alone should be enough.


It's not innuendo when it comes out of his own mouth.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (Wckf4)

352 @309 LOL

Posted by: schizoid at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (lC4lt)

353 He's not so good to his vendors and business partners.

Ask around the construction industry in NYC. He is not well liked.

As in, he doesn't pay his bills and says, "Fvck you, sue me."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 10:52 AM (Zu3d9)


I think I'll call bullshit on this.

Companies that don't pay their bills exactly to the terms agreed to have a rough time getting vendors and contractors the second time around.

When building projects the size and scope of Trump's properties, any delay due to an unpaid bill would cost enormous amounts of money. The facts don't seem to back up your assertion.

Of course, if Trump has held payment until the contractor has performed as agreed, I believe this would be a big plus in voting for him.


Posted by: jwest at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (Zs4uk)

354 I didn't say it wasn't justified. I'm saying it's fairly new (and ridiculous) to excuse a politician's misstatements or brain farts with "well he can't google up there on stage!"
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at March 16, 2016 10:54 AM (eJjmS)

I'm not excusing it, I'm explaining why it's not fair to say that the morons can hold an argument better against Trump . Put most morons, myself included, up on a stage and I can argue general policies, but details about news items are going to escape me, just like they did Trump. (who people are sniping at for not instantly remembering the name of San Bernadino during a late night speech.)

Posted by: Jen the original at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (rKNmI)

355 The GOPe wants Cruz to apologize for calling Mitch a liar on the Senate floor in June or July of last year.

Cornyn supposedly called Cruz after he won Texas to tell him that & if he does, they will support him vs Trump.
Posted by: Carol at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (sj3Ax)

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Got it. Thanks!!

Posted by: fixerupper at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (8XRCm)

356 I still think Cruz might be on the ticket with Trump.

I'm thinking Rubes ....

Posted by: donna at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (/dSsq)

357 A Constitutional leader understands that his authority derives from the consent of the governed, to advance the interests of the governed, as spelled out in our founding documents.

An authoritarian leader rules by "because I said so," because it is more critical to him to preserve his own authority for his own reasons.
Posted by: Dante at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (MhcoS)

Yeah and? What proof that Trump would do that beside's a gut feeling.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (DUoqb)

358 Hola day walkers
I see I missed the fun

OT: so golfers....Krank drivers, worth it?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 16, 2016 11:00 AM (3f8gu)

359 His fighting with Megyn Kelly is beneath any professional person


Serious question.

For years conservatives have been arguing that we need to "fight the media" .


How is that accomplished , exactly, without, you know, "fighting the media" ?

I really would like to know the answer to this.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 16, 2016 11:00 AM (4viQH)

360 >>Outrage! Outrage, Reince, you boy. Outraged dry. I'm so sorry. Here, if you have a convention, and I have a mob, and I have a microphone. There it is, that's a microphone, you see? Watch it. Now, my microphone reaches acroooooooss the room and starts to riot your convention. I... riot... your... convention!

Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 11:00 AM (Bdeb0)

361 A resurgent Whigism wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

Whigitude.

Whigalicious, baby.

Posted by: Pauli Ryan at March 16, 2016 11:00 AM (Dttnn)

362 "He's not so good to his vendors and business partners.

Ask around the construction industry in NYC. He is not well liked.

As in, he doesn't pay his bills and says, "Fvck you, sue me."

Very weak.

It is also a common pratice for payments to be delayed, reduced or flat-out denied for late or inferior work depending on what is stipulated in the contract.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 16, 2016 11:00 AM (WnCSK)

363 OT: so golfers....Krank drivers, worth it?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 16, 2016 11:00 AM (3f8gu)

Not with my game they aren't.

Posted by: IP at March 16, 2016 11:00 AM (aQQbl)

364 So if Trump wins the presidency, do we get Twitter wars between @realPOTUS and world leaders?

Cause if so, pop some popcorn

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (GfnT3)

365 Last night may have broken Cruz' back.

We'll see.

If there's a debate, Cruz would be smart to go straight after Kasich.

There's a lot among his previous debate statements to go after.

Plus, the Postman's Boy amnesty pledge needs to be gone after hard and in a way that belies all of Kasich-

I'm one of you blue collar guys.

His plans would keep the middle and working class down.

Cruz - this is your moment, if you have the guts.

The only way you can win this outright is to be the "conservative", well-organized alternative to Trump.

You can't be seen as that unless you take Kasich down hard.

He's vulnerable on both Obamacare and illegal aliens.
As well as gay marriage and border security.
His foreign policy is a mess.

Go hard and win.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (0cMkb)

366
How is that accomplished , exactly, without, you know, "fighting the media" ?

I really would like to know the answer to this.

As long as it isn't aimed at only one "media" person... Then it becomes a vendetta....

Posted by: donna at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (/dSsq)

367 I'm fine with Cruz and Kasich staying in as long as they like, btw. Free country yada yada yada.
But the number of "debates" has been ridiculous.

Posted by: @votermom at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (cbfNE)

368 The chief problem, as I see it, with the resistance people are mounting to the rise of The Destructor is that it's futile, ultimately.

He's the fever we fight, not realizing that the fever is not the disease, but rather the natural response to and cure for it.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (/33sy)

369
I hate to admit I have Beck on waiting for Rush. They were wondering if Cruz would apologize to McConnell. I doubt Cruz will.

Cruz should apologize for not going full Preston Brooks on McConnell's ass.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (X6fMO)

370 Look at his own family and know he won't slow down or change immigration laws...

How delusional are you? They are all legal immigrants.
Ace should be on suicide watch....
Supports Mr there would be blood in the streets if I Don't Get Nominated...vs Donald..

Trump is a fighter, our fighter and I'm rolling with Trump.

You can have your lying cheating Ted...

Posted by: gonzotx at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (eV1YV)

371 I still think Cruz might be on the ticket with Trump.

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Obviously it is possible. I'm still of the belief that is a waste of Cruz. I'd rather have him in the Senate, maybe especially if Trump were the President. Not sure what he may get besides the VP slot if he formed a coalition with Trump. Just being VP - to me - is not enough.

But we will see. Cruz certainly has left the door open. Whether he would remains to be seen.

Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (gmeXX)

372 Any one of the Republican candidates other than Trump could have grasped the nettle before he did, and said in strong, unambiguous, forceful and blunt terms what Trump said regarding immigration and trade.

None of them did. Not even Cruz. Which is a tremendous disappointment.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (noWW6)

Exactly. And this is why I support Trump. I wish there was someone else spouting his message, but there is not, so Trump it is. Besides that, I honestly don't think Cruz can win. I know a lot of dems (here in Cali) that are supporting Trump that will NOT support Cruz or any other GOP candidate.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue at March 16, 2016 11:01 AM (ZXK8H)

373 Cornyn supposedly called Cruz after he won Texas to tell him that & if he does, they will support him vs Trump.

Ugh, I should mention again how much I reeeeally wanted Cornyn to lose in the primary.

Posted by: no good deed at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (GgxVX)

374 "Is that what Fox is offering? I must have missed it.

I'd give my right nut for a genuine NFL style L/D debate between Ted Cruz and DJT because I KNOW TC would mop the floor with him.

Instead as we Americans have devolved from the eloquence of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Samuel Adams and morphed into "boxers or briefs" as political discourse ANY "debate" will be the equivalent of a hybrid of Jackass and the Westminster Dog Show"

Heh. Yup its so ironic once you step out and look in.

I dropped FOX sometime in the last 8 years, when it became obvious they had become a Celebrity News Station. We got shows like RedEye were a bunch of snarky boys sat around and tried to out-Beavis & Butthead each other in between analysis of current events.

I tried to warn FOX. They told me to pound sand. No longer their key demographic. Brit Hume was the last man standing. And then he was gone.

And now the Celebrity News Station is aghast that we will have a Celebrity President. He has their eyes and chin.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (V/X7u)

375 No denying this is a smart tactical move. A Cruz and Kasich debate will be a huge snooze fest. All the other networks will carry Trump's overlapping event. And I tend to agree, 12 debates, enough already.

Posted by: Kenja Time at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (t2wGq)

376 Did trump call fox the anti-trump team?
Ummm not even close

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (3f8gu)

377 "I think I'll call bullshit on this.

Companies that don't pay their bills exactly to the terms agreed to have a rough time getting vendors and contractors the second time around.

When building projects the size and scope of Trump's properties, any delay due to an unpaid bill would cost enormous amounts of money. The facts don't seem to back up your assertion. "

+1

Posted by: Skeezix at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (WnCSK)

378 He's not so good to his vendors and business partners.

Ask around the construction industry in NYC. He is not well liked.

As in, he doesn't pay his bills and says, "Fvck you, sue me."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 16, 2016 10:52 AM (Zu3d9)


I think I'll call bullshit on this.

Companies that don't pay their bills exactly to the terms agreed to have a rough time getting vendors and contractors the second time around.

When building projects the size and scope of Trump's properties, any delay due to an unpaid bill would cost enormous amounts of money. The facts don't seem to back up your assertion.

Of course, if Trump has held payment until the contractor has performed as agreed, I believe this would be a big plus in voting for him.


Posted by: jwest at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (Zs4uk)

No it's not bullshit. What it is, is not transferable to the political arena. Yes I assure Trump has stiffed some contractors, for goof cause sometimes and not so good cause other times. It is what can happen in that business. what I object to is the transfer of that type of business and business relationships to the political world.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (DUoqb)

379
As long as it isn't aimed at only one "media" person... Then it becomes a vendetta....

Posted by: donna

I agree, but I see vendetta and fighting as a distinction without a real difference.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (4viQH)

380 Protests, yes. Riots? I don't think I even know how to do that. Maybe someone can start an online class to teach nice middle-aged housewives how to riot.-----stace

1) Eat a large meal
2) A couple hoours later, find a police car....


1) Eat at Taco Bell
2) Pray you can find a cop car

Posted by: rickb223 at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (gR+IE)

381 For years conservatives have been arguing that we need to "fight the media" .

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I think part of the premise was that we want a conservative to fight the media.

Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (gmeXX)

382 Now, my microphone reaches acroooooooss the room and starts to riot your convention. I... riot... your... convention!
Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 11:00 AM (Bdeb0)

*golf clapter*

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 16, 2016 11:03 AM (xuouz)

383 If the Republican Party attempts to replace the nominee with a Ryan/Romney, then they will take years to recover.

Then the I'm So Angry crowd should be thrilled with that outcome. Win-win.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 16, 2016 11:03 AM (XhSez)

384 Yeah and? What proof that Trump would do that beside's a gut feeling.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (DUoqb)

I didn't mention names; I just noted my own opinion that I don't believe authoritarianism is a good quality in a leader.

Posted by: Dante at March 16, 2016 11:03 AM (MhcoS)

385 Trump vs Cruz in a one on one debate ?

How do you think that would go ? He doesn't want to debate now.

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 16, 2016 11:03 AM (3mTyP)

386 Nood Supreme Court Nominee - hubba hubba white ivy league liberal lawyer

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 16, 2016 11:04 AM (dQJCS)

387 381 For years conservatives have been arguing that we need to "fight the media" .

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I think part of the premise was that we want a conservative to fight the media.
Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (gmeXX)

Touche!

Posted by: donna at March 16, 2016 11:04 AM (/dSsq)

388 A riot? Did someone mention riots?

LINK: https://youtu.be/XazOmi4yIbU

Obligatory.

Posted by: mrp at March 16, 2016 11:04 AM (JBggj)

389 An authoritarian leader rules by "because I said
so," because it is more critical to him to preserve his own authority
for his own reasons.

Posted by: Dante at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (MhcoS)



Yeah and? What proof that Trump would do that beside's a gut feeling.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 10:59 AM (DUoqb)
His ENTIRE CAMPAIGN is based on the premise that people should give their trust to HIM, and his "experts", so that HE can make great deals. It isn't based on ideas because as we have seen his ideas are "flexible". It is based on having blind faith trust in Trump the man. That is authoritarian-style.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 11:04 AM (/FdlA)

390 I think many are peachy keen with a contested convention because they think it's going to install Ted Cruz, and those people are delusional.

It will be the Donor Class that picks the nominee, that means Kasich or some other Big Tent figure.

If Ted Cruz came in with 1,100 delegates and they gave it to Paul Ryan, you same people would say it was the end of Democracy.

If Trump comes in there with some 2-1 lead in delegates and they strip it from him, we might as well simply go back to the smoke-filled room picking Party nominees.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 16, 2016 11:04 AM (ENycW)

391 Trump/Cruz 2016. Get used to the idea. It's coming.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Yada, yada, yada.... at March 16, 2016 11:04 AM (WVsWD)

392 I'd like to have a fight with Megyn Kelly
With pillows, butter, and a stuffed owl involved

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 16, 2016 11:05 AM (MejEz)

393 "I think part of the premise was that we want a conservative to fight the media.
Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (gmeXX) "

Any luck finding one yet?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 16, 2016 11:05 AM (WnCSK)

394 "I live in California so my vote doesn't matter anyway"

It could this year.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 16, 2016 11:05 AM (GfnT3)

395 WTF?!

We suffer 8 years of Obama and progress closer and closer to losing protection of our individual freedoms, and there are pussies amongst us who are scared shitless (or pretend they aren't) of 4 possible years of Donald Trump?

Some of you just want to keep prolonging the death of the GOP. Keep her on life support and put some career politician back in office. . . go ahead, see what happens. You think Trump is going to screw you to hell, well, you're just going to get screwed anyway.

Look, I love Cruz more than anybody. But I don't even think he'd wish for Hillary to win.

Posted by: A Southerner of Honor at March 16, 2016 11:05 AM (26e2V)

396 I just noted my own opinion that I don't believe authoritarianism is a good quality in a leader.
Posted by: Dante at March 16, 2016 11:03 AM (MhcoS)


Yeah? Never been in the Military ha? And even in Civilian and Political life, Leaders have to lead. And as I said the word "Authoritarian" is a terrible word and a straw man argument and it is only being used to tar and feather someone and damn the facts

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 11:05 AM (DUoqb)

397 Actually, I've been wondering, why aren't we doing more to flush the GOPe. Get rid of the Preibuses and Roves. The gurus who get millions yet still manage to lose easily won elections?
Why haven't we been able to purge the GOPe, and get guys like Cruz and Lee in party leadership positions?

Posted by: Iblis at March 16, 2016 11:06 AM (9221z)

398 Okay.

How would your theoretical perfect conservative "fight the media?"

Posted by: Mortimer at March 16, 2016 11:06 AM (4viQH)

399 "I think part of the premise was that we want a conservative to fight the media.
Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (gmeXX) "

Any luck finding one yet?

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Ted Cruz pushes back on the media. I'm not really sure what fighting means. On one hand, Megyn fights with Trump. On the other, Hannity has taken up residence in his body.

Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 11:06 AM (gmeXX)

400
If any of you haven't read it, I highly recommend Grant's memoirs. You can get them free on the web or on Kindle.

Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 16, 2016 10:58 AM (CcpUn)

I've beenpromoting Grant's Memoirs on this blog for years. My favorite parts are whenGrant sarcastically refers to Jefferson Davis as 'Jefferson Davis, GENIUS', because Davis often overruled his more capable generals on vital strategic decisions--to Grant's advantage.

Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2016 11:06 AM (UWlp+)

401 Really, new post on Merrick Garland

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 16, 2016 11:06 AM (dQJCS)

402 With pillows, butter, and a stuffed owl involved.

Okay, the stuffed owl is just weird.

Posted by: no good deed at March 16, 2016 11:06 AM (GgxVX)

403 374 Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 11:02 AM (V/X7u)


Quite...the Old Fox dying was what cinched for me the understanding that as the moonbats have Soros we have Ailes...

Ailes is a CoC*sucker in the Chamber of Commerce sense and he DEFINITELY is vested in maintaining the status quo ante in the party.

An intelligent analytical center-right population serves the CoC*suckers no more than it would the democrats and thus we get fart jokes at 3 am and Shempf Smiff on Drive-time...

The decline of Fox was part of why cutting the cord post election 2012 was the easiest and most moral commercial decision I have made in a long time.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 11:07 AM (g8Hfr)

404 "Ted Cruz pushes back on the media."

Fully agree. I just hardly ever see him on any actual media.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 16, 2016 11:07 AM (WnCSK)

405 America doesn't win anymore. We're gonna make some really terrific deals, tremendous deals, and make America great again.

Posted by: Fritz at March 16, 2016 11:07 AM (UzPAd)

406 Digging obstacles, fortifying built-up areasand creating fields of fire, sure, but riots? No.
Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2016 10:34 AM (UWlp+)

Exactly. I'm extremely well armed at this very minute, but that's to defend against criminals, looters, rioters, or government tyrants.

A shitty political party is a private entity, and if it can't attract members, donations and voters, it stops existing.

Posted by: stace at March 16, 2016 11:07 AM (ozZau)

407
Ted Cruz pushes back on the media

How does he do that?

Is it working?

Posted by: Mortimer at March 16, 2016 11:07 AM (4viQH)

408 >>How do you think that would go ? He doesn't want to debate now.

Why would he? Ted's had twelve chances to play to his own strength, and 636 delegates' worth of voters say he's failed. Seems settled to me.

Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 11:07 AM (Bdeb0)

409 His ENTIRE CAMPAIGN is based on the premise that people should give their trust to HIM, and his "experts", so that HE can make great deals. It isn't based on ideas because as we have seen his ideas are "flexible". It is based on having blind faith trust in Trump the man. That is authoritarian-style.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 11:04 AM (/FdlA)

Now that's funny. So you act like anyone else has these great ideas? And you call him and authoritarian because he thinks he has great idea and would hire great people, but then criticize him for being FLEXIBLE, but his is still Authoritarian? Now that there is funny shit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2016 11:08 AM (DUoqb)

410 "The GOPe wants Cruz to apologize for calling Mitch a liar on the Senate floor in June or July of last year. Cornyn supposedly called Cruz after he won Texas to tell him that & if he does, they will support him vs Trump."

Yes madam... yes... yes... I know Paris is falling. We are prepared to send a fleet to Dunkirk... yes madam but... we are well aware that the fate of Western... yes but listen... before we can launch, we require you apologize to Neville for calling him "fancy-smancy-pants"...

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 11:08 AM (V/X7u)

411 "Perhaps some suspect that even if Trump is disordered like Grant...at least he fights."

Sure, but for whom?

Posted by: holygoat at March 16, 2016 11:08 AM (ZgI/r)

412 398 Posted by: Mortimer at March 16, 2016 11:06 AM (4viQH)


Call them out live on air on their biases and incestuous relationships and positions in democrat administrations that lie there undisclosed...

talk past the media and to the people nonstop period.

See Reagan, Ronald, Wilson

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 11:08 AM (g8Hfr)

413 391
Trump/Cruz 2016. Get used to the idea. It's coming.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Yada, yada, yada.... at March 16, 2016 11:04 AM (WVsWD)
Seriously wish they would do it already and start gunning for Hillary.

Posted by: IC at March 16, 2016 11:09 AM (a0IVu)

414 REICHSTAG, Dammit! If your going to throw out Hitler references, you'd better learn to damn spell. The first one's we're going to waterboard are going to be the misspellers!


Posted by: Kasper Hauser at March 16, 2016 11:09 AM (HqpV0)

415 Ted Cruz pushes back on the media

How does he do that?

Is it working?

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He is constantaly questioning their premises. But look it all goes to what does one mean when they say fight the media. Does it mean twitter wars. If that, then no Cruz doesn't do that. Maybe that is the most effective. I don't know. But this idea that only Trump fights the media is somewhat BS. The media is in bed with Trump.

Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 11:09 AM (gmeXX)

416 413 391
Trump/Cruz 2016. Get used to the idea. It's coming.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Yada, yada, yada.... at March 16, 2016 11:04 AM (WVsWD)
Seriously wish they would do it already and start gunning for Hillary.
Posted by: IC at March 16, 2016 11:09 AM (a0IVu)

I could live with a President Trump and Darth Cruz.

Posted by: Iblis at March 16, 2016 11:11 AM (9221z)

417 Trump/Cruz 2016. Get used to the idea. It's coming.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois

I don't see that happening at all.

Trump doesn't need Cruz to get the nomination and Cruz is not going to bring in new voters to Trump.

Also, if the premise of Cruz supporters is "Trump is unacceptable because he's a fascist!!!" What does that say about Cruz for him being on the ticket with Trump?

You can't have it both ways.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 16, 2016 11:11 AM (ENycW)

418 Call them out live on air on their biases and
incestuous relationships and positions in democrat administrations that
lie there undisclosed...

talk past the media and to the people nonstop period.

See Reagan, Ronald, Wilson

Posted by: sven10077

Well , we have a consensus that Trump is no Reagan. ANd his debating skills are no match for Cruz.

How does he make a play for the independents , Blue Dogs and LIVs against the media?

Remember the Youtube video with the 2 black ladies hating on "Megan Kelly/Kelly Megan" ?

That was viral.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 16, 2016 11:11 AM (4viQH)

419 383
If the Republican Party attempts to replace the nominee with a Ryan/Romney, then they will take years to recover.



Then the I'm So Angry crowd should be thrilled with that outcome. Win-win.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 16, 2016 11:03 AM (XhSez)


This thought actually occured to me earlier today.... so I must change my support from Trump / SMOD 2016....
to Ryan / Romney 2016... the Death of the GOP ticket.

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 16, 2016 11:12 AM (RK8AH)

420 Trump/Cruz 2016. I'd be all over that, and I know many, many more who would be also.

Posted by: A Southerner of Honor at March 16, 2016 11:12 AM (26e2V)

421 Gosh, Trump makes it hard to like him. I seriously try. I even post comments here and there saying he's the man for the times. Etc. Etc.

Then he doesn't something so obnoxious I declare him dead to me.

I'm getting tired of this. I've got sore knees from slinking onto and off of the bandwagon.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 16, 2016 11:12 AM (eXTZt)

422 I think Trump's riot comments aren't Reichstag-threats.

I think they're pretty close to dead on- at least as far as the RNC convention goes.

If he's very close, say 100 votes or under, esp. if it's like 20-30-

and he's denied and we get Jeb! or Romney or Ryan or kasich or Mario in a backroom deal-

all that will do is prove to the millions of voters who have been disenfranchised by Obama and the Dims and the spineless weaselly of the GOPe-

that they have no one to represent them. They have no voice in gov't. And they no longer have hope for a better future for them and their children.

Yes, that is a prescription for riots. God help us all, when the working and middle class become radicalized,

because they are the doers and makers, the producers-

and that means when they set their minds to it. Things get done in a real and complete way.

Honestly, if there are convention hijinks, I hope Trump goes 3rd party-

because that will mean that the disenfranchised have leadership and representation and are much less likely to break with American tradition.


That being said.

Cruz needs to win outright or be the guy 20-30 points away.

Cruz needs to realize that he can't out-Trump Trump on Trump's signature issues-

but he sure as hell can out-conservative and out-Republican John Kasich.

He better get on that now.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 16, 2016 11:12 AM (0cMkb)

423 "...and there are pussies amongst us who are scared shitless (or pretend they aren't) of 4 possible years of Donald Trump?

Look, I love Cruz more than anybody. But I don't even think he'd wish for Hillary to win."

Posted by: A Southerner of Honor at March 16, 2016 11:05 AM (26e2V)

When I read what you write, Ihear the voice of Yosemite Sam, swear to God. Please tell me you have a dog named Belvedere: "Belvedere! O Belvedere! Come heah, boy!"

Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2016 11:12 AM (UWlp+)

424 NGU, you are being asked to trust Trump the man and he has made it clear he isn't beholden to any fixed set of principles or ideas. He wants you to follow him out of faith. If he says march to the left, or march to the right, or march side to side, you are supposed to follow him. He doesn't give a reason WHY he should be followed, other than he is supposedly the best deal maker on the planet.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 16, 2016 11:12 AM (/FdlA)

425 Honestly, if he is dumb enough to do this debate, then THAT would disqualify him to be President.

If he goes to the debate, it is going to be Cruz and Kasich against Trump.

If he doesn't, it's going toe be Cruz vs. Kasich and Cruz will destroy Kasich on the "Amnesty in the first 100 days" and "I probably should be running as a Democrat" crap.

And were they both just to sit and trash Trump, they'd look like pathetic pantywaists.....


Posted by: Kasper Hauser at March 16, 2016 11:14 AM (HqpV0)

426 Let's make one thing perfectly clear: the establishment will not replace Trump or Cruz on the ticket. That much is over and decided, as Newt Gingerich declared last night. It's Trump or it's Cruz. There will be no smoke-filled -- or rather, smoke-free -- rooms making decisions for the top of the ticket.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 16, 2016 11:14 AM (eXTZt)

427 Looking at this poll, I'll be damned if it doesn't look like Ted Cruz is bumping up against his ceiling of 20-21%

http://tinyurl.com/je9pt58

Posted by: tommylotto at March 16, 2016 11:15 AM (A3a8d)

428 I kind of wish Trump'd do the debate just to wipe that self-righteous twitch off of Kasich's face. The guy's facial tics are almost -- but not quite -- as annoying as his "I'm Mr. Positive" schtick.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 16, 2016 11:15 AM (eXTZt)

429 "I think part of the premise was that we want a conservative to fight the media"

But all of the Stallions gelded themselves. So I guess this Donkey will have to do.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 11:16 AM (V/X7u)

430 Nood on SCOTUS nominee

Posted by: IC at March 16, 2016 11:16 AM (a0IVu)

431 >>I think Trump's riot comments aren't Reichstag-threats.

Yeah, that was a pretty common beg.

Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 11:17 AM (Bdeb0)

432 Trump is going to tilt right versus Hillary on most issues.

Whatever you think about the inner Trump, he knows who butters his bread and one look at the Electoral Map is going to tell him conservative "red states" are what put him in office and who he's going to keep happy.

If Trump was a figure that won off the support of big liberal blue states, it would be a different story.

He's a whore and that is likely an improvement from previous politicians.

Posted by: Baldwin at March 16, 2016 11:17 AM (ENycW)

433 Hey, Ace,

I hear you on the Trump idiots. I'm one (but only on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Saturday mornings). When I go full idiot on those days, I deserve to have my ass banned.

Ban those assholes.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 16, 2016 11:18 AM (eXTZt)

434 ...Grant was a fairly lousy human being...

My understanding is that Grant was as good a human being you can be and still be a Field Marshall. (think Sherman, bigger bad ass)

Also that Grant wrote his (very good) memoirs of the Civil War as he was dying so that his family wouldn't starve.

Been told Grant was very bad at farming and business and politics. War and memoirs were the only way he could make money.

Posted by: scorecard at March 16, 2016 11:18 AM (j2xmV)

435 Ace, Mike Castle just called to let you know he's saving you a seat on ex-Speaker Boner's "Paul Ryan Express" bus. A center seat between him and Romney.

Posted by: Born Free at March 16, 2016 11:19 AM (h+7di)

436 Trump is right, that if he has 1100 delegates, and is denied the nomination, there will be...problems. This really doesn't compare to the Reichstag or even Obama not getting his SCOTUS pick. The situations are very different.

That said, Trump himself should not have said it. That's what Ann Coulter is for.

Posted by: Schaeffer at March 16, 2016 11:20 AM (8t5CA)

437 You know who I wish had run for president? Mitch Daniels. Mitch Frickin' Daniels. After he cleaned up my state -- Indiana -- he's been cleaning up Purdue U. He's really a great guy.

But he'd'a never won 'cause he's too damn short.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 16, 2016 11:20 AM (eXTZt)

438
If Obama said something like this -- if he said, "If my Supreme Court nominee isn't given an up or down vote, I think we'd have riots; I wouldn't lead it, but I think bad things would happen; that would disenfranchise my voters" -- what would you say about that?

i would say that Obama is once again trying to subvert the authority given to senate by the U.S, Constitution.

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 16, 2016 11:21 AM (lKyWE)

439 I look at it this way. For years we've been wanting to knock back the MFM and the DC establishment from choosing our candidates. This time around it seems, so far, that the American people have defeated both this election. Having Trump as the nominee is a victory by itself.

I, for one, have said that changing the direction of this country is going to be messy. And it'll not be instantaneous through one election. I even think it's going to get much uglier.

This has been a double victory so far. I'm going to celebrate it.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 11:21 AM (Fmupd)

440 Whatever you think about the inner Trump, he knows who butters his bread and one look at the Electoral Map is going to tell him conservative "red states" are what put him in office and who he's going to keep happy.
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You know who really butters Trump's bread? Soi-disant "conservatives" who don't care that he's been a liberal his entire life, who don't care that he loves socialized medicine, who don't care that he thinks Planned Parenthood is great, who don't care that he was pro-choice until five minutes ago, and who don't care that he secretly told the New York Times that he's not going to build a border wall.

Those people butter the living shit out of Trump's bread.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 16, 2016 11:21 AM (LtQCz)

441 ...Obama said something like...

I'll screw with the EBT cards if you don't pass my budget.

One reason the GOPe is so cowed by Obama.

Obama may be a queer boy who gets his ass kicked regularly by Michelle and Putin but he knows how to kick people in the balls. Community Organizer.

Posted by: scorecard at March 16, 2016 11:22 AM (j2xmV)

442 Hey Ace, in 2012 the last debate took place on March 3, 2012, after 12 primary contests, and then Romney was crowned by the GOPe, even Santorum was still winning States.

The last debate we had in 2016 was on March 10 last week, after 26 contests had already occurred. Why should Trump attend a debate which includes a guy (Kasich) who is mathematically eliminated from winning, or a guy (Ted Cruz) who needs to win 80% of the remaining delegates to win?

Oh, the double standard, it's the best friend of the powers that be.

Posted by: Kyle at March 16, 2016 11:24 AM (ImEa5)

443 I look at it this way. For years we've been wanting to knock back the MFM and the DC establishment from choosing our candidates. This time around it seems, so far, that the American people have defeated both this election. Having Trump as the nominee is a victory by itself.

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Ted Cruz - an actual conservative - would work. Electing him would get the MFM and the GOPe to go fuck themselves.

In your understandable zeal to tell the GOPe to go fuck itself, you're choosing a New York liberal over a Texas conservative. And you're telling yourself that Trump is better because he's further from the GOP establishment.

Well... you're right. Trump really is further away from the GOP establishment than Ted Cruz. BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING LIBERAL DEMOCRAT.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 16, 2016 11:24 AM (NDVSb)

444 http://pointsandfigures.com/2016/03/16/lightning-in-a-bottle-niche-movement-mainstream/

Posted by: pointsnfigures at March 16, 2016 11:24 AM (hSpC/)

445 It is not a threat. It is called the truth.

Notice how upset people get over this Trump statement of truth, compared to Boehner openly admitting voters don't matter. Notice who uses the "Nazi" argument on Trump, compared to their silence on Boehner's comment on who is going to be the nominee.

It says a lot where people stand, and who they will stand with when the GOPe picks Ryan as nominee. Trump responds to what certain GOPe folks are saying (and doing) about sc$wing him and his voters, and here comes the Nazi argument again.

Posted by: William Eaton at March 16, 2016 11:25 AM (q52Ma)

446 305 Megan Kelly is a celebrity journalist by which I mean her T and A has a lot more to do with her popularity than her IQ. The mere fact that the media is filled with such types doesn't change or excuse that one iota.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 16, 2016 10:52 AM (2Ps+G)
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I'm going to need more data on her T & A.

Posted by: Weasel at March 16, 2016 11:27 AM (6xtq3)

447 If Kasich doesn't get the nomination, I fear what his postal workers will do. Riots with uzis.

Posted by: Global Warming made Kasich a douche at March 16, 2016 11:27 AM (ZufZo)

448 The list of "if Obama did it" things that Trump gets away with is a mile long. It's not just riots...

If Obama praised Planned Parenthood...
If Obama spoke in favor of socialized medicine...
If Obama attacked Fox News...
If Obama commented negatively on a woman's appearance...
If Obama told the New York Times that he's not serious about border security...


Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at March 16, 2016 11:27 AM (LtQCz)

449 It is not a threat. It is called the truth.

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No its both.

Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 11:30 AM (gmeXX)

450 Trump is just reminding people that water is wet.
Trump can't be stopped now.
It is either Trump or whoever the Dems put forth (if Hillary wins I predict her VP finishes out her term).

Obama stopped Trump last time. Remember when he made noises of running. Don't know what Obama or Romney did but it worked. Scott Adams (dilbert) might know.

Posted by: scorecard at March 16, 2016 11:30 AM (j2xmV)

451 well, I guess the best thing going forward is for Trump to publicly at the convention:
a - ask Boehner to select the VP candidate, and
b - ask !beJ o be charge of selecting Cabinet members
This will unite the party behind the guy who will promptly lose at least a third of his supporters, but the important thing will be that we played by the rules that gave us Boehner and McConnell in the first place

nevertheless, on election night, who wouldn't (deep down) still like to see Trump winning so he can send a message to Hillery along the lines of "Yeah, you ran a great campaign -- BYE!"

Posted by: Satan of the GOPe at March 16, 2016 11:30 AM (qSIlh)

452 But if the Establishment can just pick whoever they want, why even vote?

Rush made a similar point about "Why do they bother to collect taxes? They are going to spend whatever that want regardless. Just let everyone keep their whole paycheck."

I know ensuing chaos and doom. But at least I would a wad of stiff toilet paper on hand.

Posted by: Paladin at March 16, 2016 11:30 AM (YNPwP)

453 447 If Kasich doesn't get the nomination, I fear what his postal workers will do. Riots with uzis.

Posted by: Global Warming made Kasich a douche at March 16, 2016 11:27 AM (ZufZo)
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Best case scenario - they start burning their mailbags. Worst case - unspeakable.

Posted by: Weasel at March 16, 2016 11:30 AM (6xtq3)

454 There won't be riots. We had roomsful of these tough talkers back when I was working campaigns. Bad ass big mouths, but you could NOT get them off their asses or barstools to walk a precinct, or phone bank, or attend rallies and demonstrations. All mouth. Just like their Beer-Hall-Putchist Combover God.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at March 16, 2016 11:30 AM (Kucy5)

455 Posted by: Baldwin at March 16, 2016 11:11 AM (ENycW)

Cruz might well reject the VP slot. Why would he want to be anywhere near Trumpageddon this fall?

I think Donald is taking Sarah Palin. Why not double down on dumb?

In four years, nobody will want to admit they supported Trump. Cruz is young and he can spend the next couple years filibustering Hillary, until the GOP can recover in 2018. He'd be well-positioned for 2020 in a party that typically nominates the Next Guy Up.

Posted by: TallDave at March 16, 2016 11:30 AM (74ZYB)

456 ace #45

Why would he turn it on us? You realise that even dictators need to please large numbers of people to stay in power? Trump isn't Zod, he's a human who gains and retains power with the cooperation of other humans.

Posted by: Johnny at March 16, 2016 11:31 AM (b6C99)

457 You never answered.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 16, 2016 10:56 AM (8XRCm)

I gave an answer, saying that the views of conservatives are in stark contrast to the general voters.

I don't think you find any comfort in the answer but there it is. I might ask a stranger "Why is Obama's approval ~48%?" Why isn't it zero? Zero is the only sane reaction to the economy, foreign policy, stimulus, ACA.

How did that shitheel get fucking elected twice? Answer that, and tell all of us. I'm gonna pick out my sunglasses for the apocalypse.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 16, 2016 11:32 AM (VdICR)

458 re 455: what makes you think the establishment republicans won't foist another one of their own on us in four years?

Posted by: Satan of the GOPe at March 16, 2016 11:33 AM (qSIlh)

459 "Why would he want to be anywhere near Trumpageddon this fall? "

Quite frankly, I have to wonder why anyone on the right would want to step in to clean up the mess Obama made.

You know the press has been censoring the decay, and as soon as a Republican takes over, they will start reporting the *true* numbers again and blame the GOP for it.

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 11:34 AM (V/X7u)

460
So why can't Cruz close the deal? Blaming Rubio and Kasich is like blaming the refs fora series ofbad calls that cost your team a win in the playoffs.it may make you feel better but the fact is your team is still done for season

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 16, 2016 11:34 AM (lKyWE)

461 427 Looking at this poll, I'll be damned if it doesn't look like Ted Cruz is bumping up against his ceiling of 20-21%

http://tinyurl.com/je9pt58

______________________________

But really, that's not too bad for one of those fringe holly roller pentecostal freak candidates. Too bad he is an ineligible Canadian tool of Wall Street.

The Wall Street banks gave Ted $1,000,000 to his Senate campaign. Ted claimed he disclosed it to the Senate ethics committee, but he "neglected" to disclose it to the FEC. whoopsies! Actually, no. He did disclose the $1,000,000 of Wall Street bank money on his FEC disclosure form. However, he mischaracterized it not as having come from the Wall Street banks, but rather as a personal loan from Ted himself to his own campaign. You see, he did not forget about that million dollars of Wall Street graft. He knew about it, but wanted to conceal it. So, he lied to the FEC, then he lied to you and me about it merely being an oversight.

Corrupt lying Ted...

Posted by: tommylotto at March 16, 2016 11:34 AM (A3a8d)

462
Meh. Trump's word choice of "riot" was a poor one to be sure.

Not only that but it's wrong. There would not be a riot if Trump were shoved aside by the Establishment. There would just be a 48 to 50 State landslide victory for Hillary (or whoever) in November.

What Trump was clearly getting at is that it would create a devastating revolt within the GOP. - One that could plausibly destroy the part. - Permanently.

And while there wouldn't be a riot, the GOP convention would be damn ugly. And that's an entirely avoidable result that the GOP Establishment would have brought on itself.
That's a reality worth considering.

Posted by: is this a test - no it's a Trump guy at March 16, 2016 11:35 AM (zhLKc)

463 Jalapeno
Oh, can we have a practice banning?

There's some Buffalo Chicken soup in the pantry. Apparently there won't be any Jalapeno to kick it up a notch.

Posted by: DaveA at March 16, 2016 11:36 AM (DL2i+)

464 troy riser, when I read your comments, I hear the obnoxious, nasally honk of a Midwesterner. You have a pretty good imagination, Troy. But your graphic work looks like something off a 1970s Led Zeppelin album anyway. I don't get it.

Posted by: A Southerner of Honor at March 16, 2016 11:36 AM (26e2V)

465 The best hope for the Republic right now is to cross over and help the Democrats select Bernie.

The socialist is beatable with Trump. Hillary is not.

Posted by: DriveBy at March 16, 2016 11:37 AM (C9Vc8)

466 My issue? I don't think Trump has any actual principles, he tells people what he thinks they want to hear. If he gets the nomination he'll change from "what Donald Trump thinks Republican primary voters want to hear" to "what Donald Trump thinks the American electorate wants to hear". What will that be? Who knows? Probably not what actual conservatives claim to want, would be my guess.

My evidence? This is a man who ran 1) a scam university more like Scientology than U of Phoenix, 2) a straight-up multilevel marketing scheme based on vitamins and pee tests, and 3) publicity for another multilevel marketing scheme based on video phones at the dawn of the Skype era.

He's a huckster, but there are apparently a lot more people who enjoy being told what they want to hear than I thought there were. I think that, plus the "burn it all down" contingent, plus folks who just want a big orange Obama to pay *their* mortgage and stick thumbs into the eyes of *their* enemies, are the man's base.

Could he beat Hillary in the general election? I'd say no, but he's the favorite to win the GOP nomination, which puts us so far through the looking glass that nobody knows nothing anymore. He can win or lose without my support, that's for sure. I'll turn out for the downticket races but I'm getting out of politics for birdwatching if Trump clinches.

Posted by: SparcVark at March 16, 2016 11:37 AM (nKOXj)

467 Justifiable paranoia aside , I don't see how the "establishment" puts in their choice on the second third or nth ballot. Trump and Cruz delegates will vote for Jeb! ? Ain't gonna happen.
If trump doesn't get to 1237 by the end of the primaries I can see some horse trading after a first ballot but I think it's more likely we see how good a negotiator Trump or Cruz is, before the convention starts .
What if Cruz wins enough delegates in the remaining primaries that he has 1236 votes going into the convention? He's got a plurality so he obviously deserves the nod, at least that's what I keep hearing.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at March 16, 2016 11:37 AM (i0tgq)

468 So why can't Cruz close the deal? Blaming Rubio and Kasich is like blaming the refs fora series ofbad calls that cost your team a win in the playoffs.it may make you feel better but the fact is your team is still done for season

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 16, 2016 11:34 AM (lKyWE)

$2 billion in free media coverage is hard to beat, as Trump will find out if he wins the nomination over Cruzand goes against Hillary in the general election.

Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2016 11:37 AM (UWlp+)

469 Posted by: Kyle at March 16, 2016 11:24 AM (ImEa5)

Cruz+Kasich only need to win 42% of the remaining delegates to keep Trump off the first ballot. I don't think they will, but it's not exactly insurmountable.

Of course it doesn't really matter, at this point Trump would poison any GOP ticket he didn't head.

This dumpster fire is headed off the cliff one way or another.

Posted by: TallDave at March 16, 2016 11:39 AM (74ZYB)

470 now Katshit is indicating he won't do the debate if Trump's not there.

Cruz could insist it go forward, have a one on one with reporter or townhall style.

Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2016 11:41 AM (hdpay)

471 Since Trump is such a strong frontrunner, participating in the debate has no real strategic upside for him, I think. I will bet he misses no debates against Hillary, though. I suspect they will be fun to watch, if one can suspend one's fear for the future of the country.

Posted by: davidwtc at March 16, 2016 11:41 AM (zycOY)

472 470 Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2016 11:41 AM (hdpay)


I'd do that in his shoes...

Two hour free commercial?

Why not the media gives 12+ sympathetic hours of coverage to Hillary! a day

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 11:42 AM (g8Hfr)

473 467 Justifiable paranoia aside , I don't see how the "establishment" puts in their choice on the second third or nth ballot. Trump and Cruz delegates will vote for Jeb! ? Ain't gonna happen.
If trump doesn't get to 1237 by the end of the primaries I can see some horse trading after a first ballot but I think it's more likely we see how good a negotiator Trump or Cruz is, before the convention starts .
What if Cruz wins enough delegates in the remaining primaries that he has 1236 votes going into the convention? He's got a plurality so he obviously deserves the nod, at least that's what I keep hearing.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at March 16, 2016 11:37 AM (i0tgq


If Cruz gets to 1237, he deserves the nomination just as much as Trump would. And I will gladly vote for him as I would for Trump in the general.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 11:43 AM (Fmupd)

474
$2 billion in free media coverage is hard to beat, as Trump will find out if he wins the nomination over Cruzand goes against Hillary in the general election.

Thats another excuse.

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 16, 2016 11:44 AM (lKyWE)

475 473 Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2016 11:43 AM (Fmupd)


If Cruz beat Trump in a come from behind manner I'd look like Enzyte Bob on a Viagra IV bender...

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 11:44 AM (g8Hfr)

476 I really hate it when Obama attempts to shame his opposition. The Constitution says 'advise' and 'consent'. It doesn't just say 'consent' and it says nothing about process. So the Senate can 'advise' the President that they do not agree with his pick and be done with it.

It's totally irrelevant to the matter, but can one not like a guy who, when Obama mentioned when Garland needed money he sold his comic book collection, put his hand on his heart.

re Trump

I'm amazed at the antipathy towards his rhetoric. He's a street talker and blue collar that happens to be (through his own hard work as a capitalist) a billionaire. It's a class thing that many seem to have a great antipathy toward.

Posted by: MaggiePoo at March 16, 2016 11:44 AM (kcQIp)

477 troy riser, when I read your comments, I hear the obnoxious, nasally honk of a Midwesterner. You have a pretty good imagination, Troy. But your graphic work looks like something off a 1970s Led Zeppelin album anyway. I don't get it.

Posted by: A Southerner of Honor at March 16, 2016 11:36 AM (26e2V)

You would've liked my early work, during my grade school 'Blue Crayon' period. I was doing stick figures with boobs back then, along with lots of hot rods and dinosaurs.

Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2016 11:45 AM (UWlp+)

478 Whether or not Trump will make the magic number is not relevant. He commands a huge lead. Trump has more delegates than all others combined. If he still commands a similar lead after June then he should win at the convention. If he does not then we will know that dirty pool has been played, and that we the people have been played. Current rules require having a majority of delegates in 8 states to be on the convention ballot, only Cruz and Trump have them. For Cruz to have a chance he has to start winning delegates.

Posted by: Wayne Ville at March 16, 2016 11:46 AM (hx6+b)

479 Posted by: tommylotto at March 16, 2016 11:34 AM (A3a8d)

This is the fascinating aspect of the Trump candidacy. It's merely silly to characterize Cruz getting a loan from his brokerage account as corruption, but it's an act of sheer insanity to do so in the context of supporting a candidate with Trump's laundry list of gross ethical transgressions.

Posted by: TallDave at March 16, 2016 11:48 AM (74ZYB)

480 Not a Trump fan, but if he has the majority of the delegates going into the convention, then the GOP should honor that.
Same if it were Cruz.
I know, I know. It matters who counts the votes...

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 16, 2016 11:48 AM (1JqUE)

481 Since Trump is such a strong frontrunner,

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The results would indicate that Trump is the weakest frontrunner in a while.

Posted by: SH at March 16, 2016 11:50 AM (gmeXX)

482 I'm amazed at the antipathy towards his rhetoric. He's a street talker and blue collar that happens to be (through his own hard work as a capitalist) a billionaire. It's a class thing that many seem to have a great antipathy toward.

Posted by: MaggiePoo at March 16, 2016 11:44 AM (kcQIp)

Er, Donald Trump inherited $100 million from his father, real estate mogul Fred Trump, who was worth an estimated $250-300 million at the time of his death. Growing up, Donald lived a privileged life and attended the finest schools. If it's a class thing, you have it completely backwards.

Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2016 11:51 AM (UWlp+)

483 Fox just cancelled the debate.

Posted by: WisRich at March 16, 2016 11:52 AM (hdpay)

484 If he does not then we will know that dirty pool has been played, and that we the people have been played.
Posted by: Wayne Ville at March 16, 2016 11:46 AM (hx6+b)

You think "we the people" aren't being played by Trump now? He's already as much as admitted you are.

Posted by: TallDave at March 16, 2016 11:52 AM (74ZYB)

485 If Trump gets the nominee ,I think the only sane pick in the general is.. Donald Duck.

Think about it. Daisy would be a better first lady than what we have now. Scrooge McDuck would be a sound debt czar.

I ask you why be goofy an vote for a lesser Donald?

Posted by: Axeion at March 16, 2016 11:54 AM (2OUyq)

486 Not a Trump fan, but if he has the majority of the delegates going into the convention, then the GOP should honor that.
Same if it were Cruz.
I know, I know. It matters who counts the votes...
Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 16, 2016 11:48 AM (1JqUE)
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They have to, at this point, unless he ODs on coke before the convention or gets himself arrested. I just feel bad for all the Republicans running in swing districts who are going to be tarred by association.

Posted by: TallDave at March 16, 2016 11:54 AM (74ZYB)

487 394 "I live in California so my vote doesn't matter anyway"
It could this year.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 16, 2016 11:05 AM (GfnT3)

I really hope so. So tired of our votes not counting. And if California votes matter - Trump will win.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue at March 16, 2016 11:57 AM (ZXK8H)

488 I got a warning the other day from Ace because she didn't like the mention of this site's Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Obviously they haven't shaken it.

Go ahead and get your ban on Ace. Couldn't care less about that "privilege". This cycle you've been exposed as a phony rebel pundit. Hope the damage to your rep was worth it.



Posted by: AuH2O at March 16, 2016 11:59 AM (WBahS)

489
I can see an argument that Donald Trump could pick Carson for the Veep slot.
Carson would put a significant dent in the Dem's hold on the black vote.

But I still think that choosing John Kasich makes more sense.
There is no question that Trump is going to need to placate the Establishment the way Reagan did in 1980 by choosing HW Bush.
Kasich fulfills that requirement nearly perfectly. Plus, Kasich likely locks down Ohio in the general election.

Carson is another true outsider who has never been elected. Picking him could cause the Establishment within the GOP to give mere lip service support to a Trump Carson ticket.

Still... I wouldn't say Carson is out of the question.
There are few things the GOP fears more than being branded racist. When they realized they were being perceived as throwing the first black Republican Veep pick under the bus, they just might 'discover' the truly inspirational nature of Trump's candidacy.


Posted by: is this a test - no it's a Trump guy at March 16, 2016 12:00 PM (zhLKc)

490 Well, last night was a downer. So Trump gets a huge chunk of the delegates available and greatly widens his lead. John Kasich managed to win his own state after failing to get higher than 2nd in a few others. Rubio gets nuked in FL, gives a graceful concession speech, and bows out after his voters in states other than OH failed to realize they needed to pick somebody else. Cruz overperforms his polls, gets some delegates, but can't get a majority in any of the 3 states he was playing for because he's still dragging the dead weight of Kasich and Rubio. Lovely.....just lovely.

Now we get treated to cries for civility, unity, and rally round the front-runner; Trump has sensibly decided headed for the exits since there's only so long his shallow lines will hold up as the debate talk time per candidate rises; and the GOP remains bitterly divided.

What really irks me is that I expected to wake up and find a bunch of Republican office holders had looked over the options and decided to rally round Cruz as the last remaining viable actual Republican in this race. It's understandable they'd hold off until Rubio was out (foolish, but understandable), but I'm not seeing the great coalescing. Leaking the story that Cruz is expected to crawl back to McConnell to make nice first is so short-sighted. There has been way too much short-sighted selfishness in this campaign.

We need to get this to a clear two-man race, help Cruz make his case, and see what happens. This will not end in a food fight at the convention. If Trump doesn't get to the majority and Cruz makes it a closer race, the delegates will be lobbied to vote before the convention starts.

I will vote for Trump if he is the nominee, but I will not support him one moment earlier.

Posted by: Jill v2 at March 16, 2016 12:03 PM (1+uyO)

491 Grant was a fairly lousy human being, and all things considered McClellan was considered a fairly decent one. But one man actually fought. Perhaps some suspect that even if Trump is disordered like Grant...at least he fights. And look my preference is Cruz, and there is no doubt Cruz fights. BUT Lincoln too overlooked a ton of faults because Grant fought.

While I disagree that Grant was a fairly lousy human being, if we're going to make analagies to him, it should be pointed out he was a fairly lousy President.

Posted by: AD at March 16, 2016 12:03 PM (1mXAR)

492 REICHSTAG, Dammit! If your going to throw out Hitler references, you'd better learn to damn spell. The first one's we're going to waterboard are going to be the misspellers!

Heh. Can't believe I missed that.

I feel shame.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 16, 2016 12:03 PM (1xUj/)

493 I love the smell of banning in the morning.

I don't get the point of commenters self-immolating...a twisted badge of honor of some kind I guess.

A little OT-I finally caught up with Romney on Kimmel; appalling. In what universe did he think this was a smart move?

Posted by: Shanks for the memory at March 16, 2016 12:04 PM (9HNfr)

494 "489
I can see an argument that Donald Trump could pick Carson for the Veep slot.
Carson would put a significant dent in the Dem's hold on the black vote."

People forget he already said who he wants for vp..

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/245165-trump-wants-oprah-on-his-ticket

Oprah!

Posted by: Axeion at March 16, 2016 12:05 PM (2OUyq)

495 "Nice Reichtag you got here. Be a shame if somethin' 'appened to it."

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Nice strawman you got there.

Like if St. Rafael of the Tundra was in Trump's winning position instead of his wiped out losing position and the GOPe wanted to steal the nomination away from the voters who gave it to him, you'd still be all pissy and whiny? Yeah, didn't think so.

So much hypocrisy. So little time.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 16, 2016 12:06 PM (oJffz)

496 493 Posted by: Shanks for the memory at March 16, 2016 12:04 PM (9HNfr)


The same brainiacs who think giving Obama 95% of what he wants is the way to "a fair press."

Posted by: sven10077 at March 16, 2016 12:06 PM (g8Hfr)

497
AuH20 @ comment # 488,

There are a few things it would be fair to accuse ace of being.
Cynical. - check
Insulting. - check
Stubborn. - check
Cantankerous. - double check

But phony?

No. I don't think so, sir.

If you think that, you're either off your meds or you're not paying attention.
Perhaps both?


Posted by: is this a test - no it's a Trump guy at March 16, 2016 12:09 PM (zhLKc)

498 This election needed to come with a Trigger Warning. Lots of participation trophy winners losing their shit over, get this, losing.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 16, 2016 12:10 PM (oJffz)

499 Assuming a brokered convention, and keeping the vote/delegate tallies statistically the same, I think it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will Donald Trump pick an RINO as VP to secure the nomination? Will he ask Cruz to pledge his delegates (to Trump) and become VP? Or will Trump simply go third party thereby ensuring Hillary wins? (BTW, my bet is Hillary is indicted, pleads no contest, and is pardoned before Obama leaves office). It will be very interesting to see this play out.

Posted by: lightning at March 16, 2016 12:11 PM (AP+SF)

500 Scrooge McDuck? Steal his number 1 dime and he's a disaster.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 16, 2016 12:12 PM (+aCe4)

501 >>I can see an argument that Donald Trump could pick Carson for the Veep slot.
Carson would put a significant dent in the Dem's hold on the black vote.

I doubt that. Carson looks too much like TANSTAAFL to black America.

Posted by: General Zod at March 16, 2016 12:12 PM (Bdeb0)

502 Don't expect too many more Republican debate appearances from Trump. He needs to brush up on his policies and learn what they are. The fewer people in the debates the more his lack of knowledge is exposed. This clearly doesn't matter to his diehard WWE fanbase, but it does to the broader voting community.

Posted by: Ghost Rider at March 16, 2016 12:13 PM (tSosf)

503
what worries me the most about a Trump nomination is that i have no doubt that democratic opposition researh is far superior to that of the losers at the RNC.and from the day Trump is nominated until the daythe election is held we will be waiting for the bomb to drop

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 16, 2016 12:13 PM (lKyWE)

504 Get serious, Ace.

Whatever one thinks of Trump (self-aggrandizing blowhard who will inevitably disappoint his conservative supporters is my guess), one can't help but applaud a guy who persistently sticks his thumb in the eye of the political establishment and successfully doubles-down when pilloried for it.

If the GoPe manages to screw him out of the nomination by convention hijinks, I wouldn't be at all surprised if riots ensue. In fact, I would be even more depressed about our political future if there weren't riots. That would mean our surrender is complete.

Posted by: thespellingpolice at March 16, 2016 12:15 PM (UlI/7)

505 Pfft.

You know, we all know, there's no reason for him to walk into a setup intended to damage him. And yet you do this reversal thinky-thought thing knowing that.

It doesn't work because Obama HAS said much more aggressive antagonistic things all along, so far to even to sic the IRS and stomp the life out of incipient tea party movement. Thus Trump. Fail.

Posted by: bour3 at March 16, 2016 12:15 PM (OO0Mq)

506 "499 Assuming a brokered convention, and keeping the vote/delegate tallies statistically the same, I think it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will Donald Trump pick an RINO as VP to secure the nomination? Will he ask Cruz to pledge his delegates (to Trump) and become VP? Or will Trump simply go third party thereby ensuring Hillary wins? (BTW, my bet is Hillary is indicted, pleads no contest, and is pardoned before Obama leaves office). It will be very interesting to see this play out."

Kind of easy to figure out. Would a RINO pick some one other than a RINO? Odds of RINO pick would be rather high.

In case any of the Trump " fans" missed it he is a RINO.

Posted by: Axeion at March 16, 2016 12:17 PM (2OUyq)

507 "Don't expect too many more Republican debate appearances from Trump."

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What? The last 11 times wasn't enough for your guy to take out Trump?

How about the last 16 candidates running, weren't they enough to take Trump out?

The Pope, El Chappo, and Michelle 'assault' Fields couldn't even take out Trump.




Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 16, 2016 12:20 PM (oJffz)

508 Er, Donald Trump inherited $100 million from his
father, real estate mogul Fred Trump, who was worth an estimated
$250-300 million at the time of his death. Growing up, Donald lived a
privileged life and attended the finest schools. If it's a class thing,
you have it completely backwards.

Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2016 11:51 AM (UWlp+)
I know that. Trump was never acceptable to the social circles in New York because of his family background and the fact they all came from Queens where his dad constructed much of the low rent housing there. Trump spent a lot of time with his workers at construction sites and they love him. In fact most of his workers love him except for the cherry-picked ones the GOPe and Hillary throw at you.And a little secret...you can tell by all the gold in his mansion. That's a lower class status symbol. There is no way Trump is an elitist.

Posted by: MaggiePoo at March 16, 2016 12:22 PM (kcQIp)

509 "You know, we all know, there's no reason for him to walk into a setup intended to damage him. And yet you do this reversal thinky-thought thing knowing that."
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God Damn it! He just won't hold still and take his beatings!

Posted by: The Uniparty and Media Hacks at March 16, 2016 12:23 PM (oJffz)

510 Looks like cleanup needed at #488

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 16, 2016 12:26 PM (m3iiU)

511 TRUMP or NO ONE in November.

Posted by: Myshiba at March 16, 2016 12:26 PM (0mskG)

512
Zod @ comment 501,

There is another reason I believe that Trump will not pick Carson for Veep.
I can't explain exactly why, but there is something notionally weak about a Trump Carson ticket.

It might simply be that it would be too exotic in the sense that NEITHER man had ever held elective office.

But I have to disagree with you about Carson's appeal to black Americans. I'm not saying that Trump Carson would get anywhere near 50% of the black vote.
(But then again, it doesn't have to.)
But I do strongly believe Carson would significantly cut into that vote share.



Posted by: is this a test - no it's a Trump guy at March 16, 2016 12:29 PM (zhLKc)

513 Next week's Fox debate in SLC has been cancelled.

Posted by: Myshiba at March 16, 2016 12:30 PM (0mskG)

514 Herr Trump has very little grassroots organiization hence; he's not going to have very many loyal delegates pledged to him. If convention goes to 2nd ballot most of his "delegates" will bolt because state organizations don't have many Trumkins among their members. They'll bolt unless The Dealmaker can cut some sort of deal with the "establishment ". Even then, most Cruz delegates won't vote for Trump. Cruz himself will never make a Faustian deal with The Dealmaker; book it. The GOP is busted.
As some one said, you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to suspicion that Bill Clinton did goad Trump into running to wreck the GOP and the conservative movement and drag his wretched wife into the White House.

Posted by: Juniousaustincloss@hot.rr.com at March 16, 2016 12:33 PM (uNpJu)

515 What debate? According to Fox, there is no debate coming up.

Posted by: Ni Tall at March 16, 2016 12:34 PM (jfBVm)

516 "Next week's Fox debate in SLC has been cancelled."

Which only proves that the only reason for all these debates has been to take another shot at Trump.

He was right to bail.

Posted by: ahem at March 16, 2016 12:39 PM (lKGzI)

517 //I don't know, Lizzy. Yes the Clintons are unbelievably corrupt. But not even they have gone so far as to suggest that maybe the libel laws should be "revised" because they got some negative press coverage.//

You forgot to mention that she broke federal law, compromised our national security, and actively participated in the intimidation of women during her husband's administration. And that's just the beginning with her.

Honestly, any comparison between Trump and Clinton, either as to authoritarian tendencies or general corruption, is fatuous.

//That is just downright chilling. Yes the Clintons would silence their enemies in scummy ways but it was not overt and chilling the way Trump wants to silence his enemies.//

Chilling? Nah. Just naive. Trump believes that the media is habitually dishonest and lies with impunity. In this, he is correct. His error is that he simply hasn't thought out the implications of the defamation regime he seems to want. In any case, there's no way for Trump to "open up those libel laws" because defamation is not a federal matter. Federal district courts can handle state defamation cases under diversity jurisdiction and our federal courts of appeal can handle First Amendment claims that arise from state defamation laws, but there are no actual federal defamation laws, and there is no federal common law. And there is no appetite in the federal courts for reopening Sullivan or any of its progeny. So, this concern about Trump re defamation law is just as knee-jerk as Trump's comments regarding the same.

Posted by: Mr. Hand at March 16, 2016 12:40 PM (HzwDT)

518 Donald "Howard Beale" Trump came very close to having a terrible, horrible, very bad night last night. He won Missouri by a whisker, and the margin in North Carolina was also very close. He would have lost both had Rubio not stayed in the race. Thanks, Marco.

Because of DJT's non-existent ground game he continues to underperform his polling numbers substantially, and he does not appear to be improving either as a candidate or an organizer. This is, incidentally, what will sink him in November even if he gets the nod. You don't build a ground game overnight and he has already missed the boat on that one.

As of last night (and even with those two close calls being narrowly decided in his favor) he has only won 47% of the available delegates, even though the system is strongly biased in favor of the candidate with a plurality. It will be interesting to see what happens from here on in, with the opposition field having cleared out and the election moving into areas not considered to be favorable to him (i.e. the West).

His bluster about "riots" if he doesn't get to 1237 and doesn't get the nomination is probably because he realizes that he may have a problem, but can't think of any way to fix it other than by shooting his mouth off. Yes, we know he's "mad as hell and he isn't going to take it anymore" (Howard Beale's signature line, for those of you playing along at home), but that's not really a campaign strategy.

Maybe, as a backup plan, his lawyers are already working on a way to get a judge to award him the nomination via eminent domain.

Posted by: HTL at March 16, 2016 12:43 PM (AprKJ)

519 Trump is not at all a clone of the worse of the liberal left SJW mind set. His workers have to sign a NDA for the rest of their lives. Here's part of Mr. Free speech. What a wimpy, sputtering, hiding crybaby.

FromRedsteeze


The contract specifically states:



No Disparagement. During the term of your service and at all times
thereafter you hereby promise and agree not to demean or disparage
publicly the Company, Mr. Trump, any Trump Company, any Family Member,
or any Family Member Company or any asset any of the foregoing own, or
product or service any of the foregoing offer, in each case by or in any
of the Restricted Means and Contexts and to prevent your employees from
doing so.

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 12:50 PM (aRUb8)

520 Meh. Trump's word choice of "riot" was a poor one to be sure.

Not
only that but it's wrong. There would not be a riot if Trump were
shoved aside by the Establishment. There would just be a 48 to 50 State
landslide victory for Hillary (or whoever) in November.

What
Trump was clearly getting at is that it would create a devastating
revolt within the GOP. - One that could plausibly destroy the part. -
Permanently.

And while there wouldn't be a riot, the GOP
convention would be damn ugly. And that's an entirely avoidable result
that the GOP Establishment would have brought on itself.
That's a reality worth considering.



Posted by: is this a test - no it's a Trump guy at March 16, 2016 11:35 AM (zhLKc)

Actually, you have that just about wrong. Trump would lead to a landslide for the Dems (at least at the top)... That is actually the least important reason not to want him however.

One of the more important reasons is he felt perfectly free to threaten riots.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2016 12:52 PM (NPofj)

521 511
TRUMP or NO ONE in November.

Posted by: Myshiba at March 16, 2016 12:26 PM (0mskG)

Doesn't his mental illness bother you?

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 12:53 PM (aRUb8)

522 "Herr Trump"
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Ooooh, so clever.

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"Even then, most Cruz delegates won't vote for Trump. Cruz himself will never make a Faustian deal with The Dealmaker; book it. The GOP is busted."

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Trump isn't going to pick Mr. Third Place, SEC loser, BLM supporter, ineligible, Lying Ted for anything. So Teddy needn't worry about his virtue...cough, cough.

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"As some one said, you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to suspicion that Bill Clinton did goad Trump into running to wreck the GOP"

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The only ones wrecking the GOP are the GOP themselves.

It is impossible for Kasich to win the nomination but he's staying in any way.

Televangelist Ted is out of caucus states and he'd have to win something like 65% or higher of the delegates available to win...NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

You think he's going to win NY and NJ with his swarmy NY values schtick?

Two spoilers staying in the race only as a means to hurt Trump.

How did you like Ted's victory speech last night when he didn't even win anything? Delusional. Didn't even have the grace to congratulate Trump.




Posted by: The Uniparty and Media Hacks at March 16, 2016 01:00 PM (oJffz)

523 Any one of the Republican candidates other than
Trump could have grasped the nettle before he did, and said in strong,
unambiguous, forceful and blunt terms what Trump said regarding
immigration and trade.

None of them did. Not even Cruz. Which is a tremendous disappointment.


Posted by: torquewrench at March 16, 2016 10:15 AM (noWW6)

And yet Trump meant not one word he said. What he does mean and what he shows through his actions is that he is a mean petty authoritarian liar.

He would be a disaster even if he were going to do what he first said about immigration. As it is he won't even do that but his supporters are so caught up in "burn it all the hell down' that they cannot or will not process his actual statements on this issue.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2016 01:01 PM (NPofj)

524 Comment 518 by HTL

I agree an would only add ..

https://youtu.be/q_qgVn-Op7Q

Posted by: Axeion at March 16, 2016 01:02 PM (2OUyq)

525 //Actually, you have that just about wrong. Trump would lead to a landslide for the Dems (at least at the top)... //

Yeah, that might happen *now* since his own party is attacking him relentlessly. The polls before the last several weeks looked much differently. This is what's called a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's not on Trump. That's on the GOPe and movement con hysterics who don't understand how politics and coalitions work.

//That is actually the least important reason not to want him however.//

That'd be the most important reason, actually--if it were something more than a self-fulfilling prophecy. Anyway, it's academic. He will win the nomination outright. (This talk of a contested convention is so much fantasy.)

//One of the more important reasons is he felt perfectly free to threaten riots.//

One of the most troubling things about this election is that people who would probably be reasonable otherwise have lost all perspective and common sense. The now-debunked claim that Corey Lewandowski assaulted a reporter is a good example. Claiming that Trump is actually threatening riots is a good example, too.

Let's get some perspective here. Focus on Hillary. Win. For once.

Posted by: Mr. Hand at March 16, 2016 01:06 PM (HzwDT)

526 (519)No Disparagement. During the term of your service and at all times

thereafter you hereby promise and agree not to demean or disparage

publicly the Company, Mr. Trump, any Trump Company, any Family Member,
or any Family Member Company or any asset any of the foregoing own, or
product or service any of the foregoing offer, in each case by or in any
of the Restricted Means and Contexts and to prevent your employees from
doing so.

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 12:50 PM (aRUb

--------------------

And you think that's unusual? I remember holding my nose and signing a similar one at a private company I won't mention.

And he expects them to honor this contract as he honors his. Capitalism requires the Rule of Law which means contracts are sacred and is a reason America has been so successful. It's also the reason Trump won't tear up the contract with Iran but will re-negotiate which seems to horrify some people.



Posted by: MaggiePoo at March 16, 2016 01:06 PM (kcQIp)

527
He was right to bail.


Posted by: ahem at March 16, 2016 12:39 PM (lKGzI)


Oh...I don't think he's done "bailing" yet. His shtick is designed hand the election over to Hillary. How? He is a complete juvenile schmuck, and his behavior alienates many, while he claims to stand on "principle".. if there is a conflict, he will conveniently "bail" to go 3rd party..giving the POTUS position to the dems, and simply say.. "I tried my best" (like Obama, any failure is placed on the people who are just too dumb to see his brilliance). Then crony politics goes on and crony capitalists like Trump keep the cash flowing, while having painted the republicans as bigots, racists and angry thugs for the foreseeable future.Thanks a lot suckers.

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 01:12 PM (aRUb8)

528 You don't have wear a tin foil hat to worry that Kasich could be running a spoiler campaign for Il Duce as part of establishment deal to cut Cruz out and install Johnny as #2 in Il Duce regime. Nothing personal, it's just bidness.

Posted by: El Alamein at March 16, 2016 01:17 PM (uNpJu)

529 "His shtick is designed hand the election over to Hillary."

------------

If that was his shtick he'd just hand the nomination over to Cruz or Kasich.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 16, 2016 01:20 PM (oJffz)

530 Ace is beginning to sound more and more like Glenn Beck.
Maybe even a little more wacky if that is possible

Posted by: Edward Cropper at March 16, 2016 01:21 PM (FfyGI)

531 And you think that's unusual? I remember holding my nose and signing a similar one at a private company I won't mention.

And
he expects them to honor this contract as he honors his.






Posted by: MaggiePoo at March 16, 2016 01:06 PM (kcQIp)

I didn't say it was unusual. That said, I don;t think that politics is like a "company" with the "employees" being the citizens. The pecking order is backwards on the structure, imo.In a company setting if someone violates the NDA they can be fired or sued. (Trumps favorite crybaby tactic)That additude has no place in the government/citizen dynamic, especially from someone who claims a desire to change things "for the better". (hmm ..how close to the excuse of doing things "for the greater good" is that?)

To your second claim...Trump HAS A CONTRACT with his campaign workers??? What are you basing that claim on?

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 01:25 PM (aRUb8)

532 If a candidate is leading in delegates, Trump, Cruz anyone that isn't a temple thief then frankly. I would hope there would be rioting. Violent and unending if the thieves started thieving.

Posted by: Drider at March 16, 2016 01:28 PM (bdzyz)

533
One of the most troubling things about this
election is that people who would probably be reasonable otherwise have
lost all perspective and common sense. The now-debunked claim that Corey
Lewandowski assaulted a reporter is a good example. Claiming that Trump
is actually threatening riots is a good example, too.



Let's get some perspective here. Focus on Hillary. Win. For once.

Posted by: Mr. Hand at March 16, 2016 01:06 PM (HzwDT)

That assault charge was debunked only in the minds of people like you who refuse to hear the truth about your candidate.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 16, 2016 01:30 PM (NPofj)

534 530
Ace is beginning to sound more and more like Glenn Beck.

Maybe even a little more wacky if that is possible

Posted by: Edward Cropper at March 16, 2016 01:21 PM (FfyGI)

Can you name someone who sees thru Trumps con that doesn't sound "like Glenn Beck"?
Serious question. In your mind, what is the level of criticism of Trump that is allowed before someone sounds like GB?Who are some of the people you might find "reasonable" in their criticism of Trump? Where's the line in your opinion?

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 01:31 PM (aRUb8)

535 If the GOP plays games with the rules to deny the
nom the people have chosen, they are finished as a political party. We
will burn it to the ground.



And I support Cruz and think Trump is a joke. But if the Establishment can just pick whoever they want, why even vote?

Posted by: Fen at March 16, 2016 10:07 AM (V/X7u)
IF Trump has 1237 he's the nominee; by the rules.
IF Trump doesn't have 1237, the votes can, will, and must change to have someone who didn't get a majority be the nominee; and nothing in the rules says the one with the most delegates "must" be the choice.
Complaining the rules don't require you to win and there will be riots if you don't win regardless of the rules seems a bit... petty. And whiny. And annoying.
I'm curious if Cruz starts pulling close or even slightly ahead an neither have 1237 if his tune will change and suddenly he must be picked because of some other reason, and still threatening riots for any alternative to his greatness.

Posted by: gekkobear at March 16, 2016 01:34 PM (1tc4V)

536 If that was his shtick he'd just hand the nomination over to Cruz or Kasich.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at March 16, 2016 01:20 PM (oJffz)

How so? How would that work?Also, giving you the benefit of doubt, and that he could do that, Why would he. You present a false choice..If this=that.If he were to do that he would be trashed. That is not the methodology of a con man. They always want to look innocent and a victim of circumstance. All Social Justice Warriors do. Trump IS, in effect, fighting for "Social Justice" isn't he?
You're falling for a con man, just like the left is full of con men and con women.

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 01:37 PM (aRUb8)

537 "That assault charge was debunked only in the minds of people like you who refuse to hear the truth about your candidate."

---------------------------

Eh, he's Hitler. He's Charles Manson. He's a dictator. He's gonna steal your babies and eat them with a side of caviar and pork ribs. Wash it all down with a big glass of fascism.

He's keeping poor Ted from winning by, you know, actually winning.

I mean how is Ted suppose to win when there is this actual winner always winning what Ted was suppose to win?

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 16, 2016 01:39 PM (oJffz)

538 (531) To your second claim...Trump HAS A CONTRACT with his campaign workers??? What are you basing that claim on?

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 01:25 PM (aRUb
---------------------


I didn't say that. I was referring to the contract his company has with his employees. But now that you mention it he may have a contract with some on his campaign. I would imagine that would be a good idea for both parties.

The point is that to him contracts are sacred as they should be.



Posted by: MaggiePoo at March 16, 2016 01:40 PM (kcQIp)

539 "Complaining the rules don't require you to win and there will be riots if you don't win regardless of the rules seems a bit... petty. And whiny. And annoying.
I'm curious if Cruz starts pulling close or even slightly ahead an neither have 1237 if his tune will change and suddenly he must be picked because of some other reason, and still threatening riots for any alternative to his greatness."

Of course if Cruz is leading in delegates he would be deemed the winner by the people.

There is a process to any theivery. For instance a thief may jimmy a window or kick in a door with they're foot.
The GOPe simply has it in their minds to ignore the front runner and foist Jeb or Ryan or some other Rube in their place.

So yeah, if that takes place let the riots begin as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Drider at March 16, 2016 01:41 PM (bdzyz)

540 "How so? How would that work?Also, giving you the benefit of doubt, and that he could do that, Why would he."

---------------------------

Types...deletes...types...deletes...types...deletes.

Uh. He wouldn't.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 16, 2016 01:43 PM (oJffz)

541 "If that was his shtick he'd just hand the nomination over to Cruz or Kasich. "

Hahahah, ok I think one is deluding oneself with this statement.

Cruz stands the same chance of them handing Trump the win if they decide to steal it which is zero.
You don't think for one second that if they decide to pull the trigger on the theft that they would put anyone other than their golden boy in the position?

That aint Cruz or Trump.

Posted by: Drider at March 16, 2016 01:45 PM (bdzyz)

542 (531)That said, I don;t think that politics is like a
"company" with the "employees" being the citizens. The pecking order is
backwards on the structure, imo.

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 01:25 PM (aRUb

--------------------

That's such a strawman the crows are landing on it.

Posted by: MaggiePoo at March 16, 2016 01:47 PM (kcQIp)

543 I would hope there would be rioting. Violent and unending if the thieves started thieving.





Posted by: Drider at March 16, 2016 01:28 PM (bdzyz)

My...what a coincidence! Thats exactly what the lefties and commies want?

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 01:49 PM (aRUb8)

544 That's such a strawman the crows are landing on it.



Posted by: MaggiePoo at March 16, 2016 01:47 PM (kcQIp)

How so? The analogy was yours not mine.

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 01:54 PM (aRUb8)

545 @541

I know. I'm a Trump supporter. I was being sarcastic.

I was responding to the commenter who said Trump was in it to give it to Hillary. I know...nutso.

Since Cruz or Kasich would lose in epic landslides, I was trying to say that if that was Trump's game, letting Hillary win, then he should just let Cruz or Kasich have the nomination. Cut to the chase, as it were.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 16, 2016 01:55 PM (oJffz)

546 (545)How so? The analogy was yours not mine.


Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 01:54 PM (aRUb8
--------------------------There was no such analogy. You obviously don't know what a signed agreement/contract is and argue like a Lefty.

Posted by: MaggiePoo at March 16, 2016 02:00 PM (kcQIp)

547 There was no such analogy. You obviously don't know what a signed agreement/contract is and argue like a Lefty.


Posted by: MaggiePoo at March 16, 2016 02:00 PM (kcQIp)

You're trying to blow off your post.YOU likened Trumps NDA with his campaign workers to a business NDA. Correct? Thats an analogy.
But maybe a more accurate example of a fallacy might be your claim that Trump has a contract with his campaign workers.You did claim that correct? What are you basing that claim on?

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 16, 2016 02:04 PM (aRUb8)

548 #545 If you wanted to maximize Dem turnout, what would you do differently than Donald Trump is doing now?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 16, 2016 02:53 PM (CflZZ)

549 That aint Cruz or Trump.

Posted by: Drider at March 16, 2016 01:45 PM (bdzyz)

Correct. If it's a brokered convention you will get neither Cruz nor Trump. I look forward to Romney's.....I forget, will this be his third or fourth presidential run? The Buffalo Bills got nothing on Romney. Not a one time failure, but a candidate of many, many failures.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 16, 2016 03:30 PM (/1gXq)

550

Nice Reichtag you got here. Be a shame if somethin' 'appened to it.

I love being threatened.





Posted by: Ace at 10:57 AM

Threat it may be, but it's the truth. There may not be riots, but the GOP will never be the same.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 16, 2016 03:32 PM (/1gXq)

551 How many GOP debates have there been? Way more than enough and the last few have been "hit jobs" with all candidates pouncing on Trump.

So I don't see the advantage of Trump doing another debate - he IS in the driver's seat ... whether anyone likes it or not. So he gets the luxury of certain advantages as the frontrunner. Nothing more American than people taking advantage of their advantages.

But I wish all this Trump fanbois vs Cruz fanatics would stop. The bottom line is - whether you like it or not ... we're more similar than we are different. I was a Cruz guy two years ago until Trump came along and I saw how much damage he was willing to do - and COULD do ... to the political class. But I'll jump aboard and support Cruz in the general if he wins fair and square with no shenanigans.

And - by the way ... WE NEED EACH OTHER.

Fact is ... we're going into a convention where the establishment is planning one big AMBUSH in order to hijack the party and give the nomination to Paul Ryan or (fill in establishment squish here). If it comes down to a move to make Paul Ryan the nominee (with Kasich as his running mate) if Trump and Cruz are TIED ...

We will all be screaming for each other's support.

Last night was a victory. Not a Trump victory but a victory for voters who are fed up with the betrayal of the GOP. Anyone who supports Trump OR Cruz are beneficiaries of that VICTORY. No matter what happens - there are only two candidates who will walk into that convention with the moral authority to be the nominee - and neither of those candidates are part of the political class.

Posted by: Thor at March 16, 2016 03:34 PM (sa6+8)

552 We will all be screaming for each other's support.




Posted by: Thor at March 16, 2016 03:34 PM (sa6+

That gulf has gotten too large. I think most of Trump's support evaporates back into the woodwork when he loses. Cruz will not be the heir, their second choice is a cold beer on the couch watching reruns of Andy Griffith.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 16, 2016 03:41 PM (/1gXq)

553 I think the proper reply to "my supporters will riot" is "whiff of grapeshot."

Posted by: Some guy on the Interwebs at March 16, 2016 05:28 PM (J3UIw)

554 #545 If you wanted to maximize Dem turnout, what would you do differently than Donald Trump is doing now?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 16, 2016 02:53 PM (CflZZ)


Exactly

Posted by: Mimzey at March 16, 2016 06:27 PM (aRUb8)

555 Trump is not doing the debate because he's a pussy, and a intellectual lightweight.
With "Little Rubio" out, and Kaleswitch not participating, It would be Cruz one on one with a a bloviating con man with the mental powers of a drunk frat boi.

Trump is a chickenshit fake man.

Posted by: Mimzey at March 16, 2016 06:34 PM (aRUb8)

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