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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 15, 2016 12:02 PM (bzd8I)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 15, 2016 12:02 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 15, 2016 12:02 PM (kKHcp)
What we hear when you try to sell us on "Democratic" Socialism.
Posted by: Fen at March 15, 2016 12:03 PM (V/X7u)
Posted by: HH at March 15, 2016 12:03 PM (DrCtv)
Posted by: joncelli, gone Shakespearean at March 15, 2016 12:03 PM (RD7QR)
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Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 15, 2016 12:04 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: little old lady with her tea cup in her cd drive tray at March 15, 2016 12:05 PM (H9MG5)
It's Communism Plain and simple idiot Bernie supporters.
Posted by: smileynh at March 15, 2016 12:05 PM (rgj9x)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2016 12:05 PM (B48dK)
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:05 PM (8XRCm)
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Posted by: ThunderB at March 15, 2016 12:06 PM (nov1p)
Posted by: HH at March 15, 2016 12:06 PM (DrCtv)
Democratic socialism is a political system wherein there is democratic control of a socialist economic system. It thus combines political democracy
with social ownership of significant elements of the means of production. <<<< Yeah that means Apple, Netflix, HBO, Mobil. Freaking idiots.
Posted by: smileynh at March 15, 2016 12:06 PM (rgj9x)
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:06 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2016 12:06 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2016 12:07 PM (B48dK)
Posted by: Weasel at March 15, 2016 12:07 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:07 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:07 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: HH at March 15, 2016 12:06 PM (DrCtv)
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**points**
That's what fascism looks like. Has NOTHING to do with Capitalism.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:07 PM (8XRCm)
Communism is International Socialism
Democratic Socialism is Balance
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 15, 2016 12:07 PM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 15, 2016 12:07 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: joncelli, gone Shakespearean at March 15, 2016 12:08 PM (RD7QR)
A new country!
We are also fascists b/c of shitty pro wrestling evidently.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:08 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 15, 2016 12:08 PM (nov1p)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:08 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 15, 2016 12:08 PM (mEZce)
Posted by: bernie sanders at March 15, 2016 12:08 PM (u0s1P)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 12:08 PM (NOIQH)
Bookworm did a good job, and didn't waste a lot of words, but refutation of stupid is pointless if it cant be done in 140 characters or less.
And be funny.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 15, 2016 12:09 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: The Lizard, Ted Cruz at March 15, 2016 12:09 PM (L7t0A)
Posted by: mindful webworker - interstitially at March 15, 2016 12:09 PM (Gjw1J)
Posted by: bernie sanders at March 15, 2016 12:09 PM (u0s1P)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: joncelli, gone Shakespearean at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (RD7QR)
Utah Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz, chairman of the House oversight committee, revealed an internal EPA memo during a hearing Tuesday between agency officials responsible for overseeing clean water operations in Michigan. The September 2015 memo said, 'I'm not so sure Flint is the community we want to go out on a limb for.'
Ouch.
Whatever could they mean though.
Black or African American alone, percent, April 1, 2010
56.6%
Oh.
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (mEZce)
LOSING FLORIDA COULD DESTROY RUBIO'S POLITICAL CAREER
NEWT: IT'S EITHER TRUMP OR CRUZ
MEDIA ENCOURAGING VIOLENT ATTACKS ON TRUMP
Stacey Dash: Donald Trump Is Not Violent, He's 'Street'
Chicago Cop: Anti-Trump Mob More Aggressive and Destructive than Reported
'Big Tent' Trump Forcing Party to Attack Itself
Trump's Appeal Divides Tea Party Loyalties
Civil War Rages in Party Mitt Romney Destroyed
Republican Pundits Hate Donald Trump, Will Fight Him All the Way to Convention
JERRY BROWN: IF Trump WINS, WE'LL BUILD WALL AROUND CALIFORNIA
Report: 124 Released Criminal Aliens Later Charged with Murder
SHERIFF JOE: 39 PERCENT OF ILLEGALS TURNED OVER TO ICE RETURN BACK TO MARICOPA CO JAILS
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (r1fLd)
As we rehash the blow by blow.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: bernie sanders at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (u0s1P)
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (0LaWm)
Posted by: wytshus at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (EVi2J)
You want real Socialism.
You'll settle for Democratic Socialism.
You'll bring us National Socialism.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (8XRCm)
He called me Hitler, very seriously.
I was operating under the assumption that fascism WAS some kind of brain child of the right and I was left sputtering about "Of course not because reasons."
Not my shining moment for several reasons.
I really wish I had just laughed in his face. "Yeah, Hitler was all about creating a smaller state. Right, dude."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (rJSDb)
And doesn't the above illustration suggest that the US was a fascist country until, say Woodrow Wilson's presidency?
And doesn't the Coffee party have, typically, three or four people at its meetings?
And by the way, that Katie Pavlich article (in the side bar) about the anti-semite at a Trump rally: didn't the lefties once get the brilliant idea of having people attend tea party rallies with signs that smacked of racism and ignorance? I'd wager that a careful examination of enough photos would show some people who have been at Sanders rallies have also been at anti-Israel rallies.
Posted by: Satan relaxing by the fireplace at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Weasel at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (/DJaS)
Yep. They just announced it on the local TV news.
Posted by: HH at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (DrCtv)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (h/uSM)
Posted by: SMOD '16 at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: HH at March 15, 2016 12:06 PM (DrCtv)
Everything wrong with employment in education in a nutshell.
Employment is not an entitlement, is not a democracy, and is not a legal process (or, at least, it didn't used to be).
When she can demonstrate how she is creating value in excess of her cost by "teaching" the deep meaning of 'Twilight' and 'Fifty Shade of Grey', she can have a job.
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (so+oy)
Twenty something: Where we get free stuff.
Define Communism.
Twenty something: I don't know what that is. Wait, wasn't canada a communist? I think during the mexican war.
Define Democracy.
Twenty something: Responsible for all the evil in the world, like ever. It should be banned.
Define a Republic.
Twenty something: Dude, it's One Republic. I saw them at Red Rock.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (1xUj/)
Kasich's father = mail deliverer.
Posted by: Weasel at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (6xtq3)
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He was so much more. He was....a postal worker.
*angels sing sweetly*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:12 PM (rJSDb)
*****
You just handed Trump both the Primary and the General, Moonbeam. Good job.
Posted by: Tim in GA at March 15, 2016 12:12 PM (hs1GV)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 15, 2016 12:12 PM (kTF2Z)
So is fascism. Aaaaand that's where the graphic goes pear-shaped.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 12:12 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: mega machines at March 15, 2016 12:12 PM (fbovC)
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (Fmupd)
Stop the hate.
Posted by: Bridgette Nielsen at March 15, 2016 12:12 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: Eddie Baby at March 15, 2016 12:13 PM (etGXU)
You mean "mailmen"....
//Ohio Mail Carriers Local 957
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:13 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Weasel at March 15, 2016 12:13 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: The Founding Fathers at March 15, 2016 12:13 PM (h/uSM)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 15, 2016 12:13 PM (8ZskC)
The SPD predates Gorbachev by decades.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at March 15, 2016 12:14 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Ross Perot at March 15, 2016 12:14 PM (UhRGU)
Democratic socialism--two coyotes and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.
Posted by: Eddie Baby at March 15, 2016 12:13 PM (etGXU)
I like that.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:14 PM (2PHKP)
If she had grabbed that reporter's arm and moved him aside instead of verbally confronting him she would still have her job and people would be pointing out that reporters should expect to be physically handled when trying to report on a protest.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at March 15, 2016 12:14 PM (qCRLM)
Personally, I'd use something a little more stable.
Posted by: MathMom at March 15, 2016 12:14 PM (L4G9B)
Posted by: Beth M at March 15, 2016 12:15 PM (kiy9d)
Posted by: The Founding Fathers at March 15, 2016 12:13 PM (h/uSM)
To late
Posted by: Marty Feldman at March 15, 2016 12:15 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: Satan relaxing by the fireplace at March 15, 2016 12:15 PM (qSIlh)
AND the Nazis were totes "good Xians" despite the official pogroms against it being in the public square.
//Libtard
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:15 PM (g8Hfr)
So the taxpayers are the bottom ball supporting the politicians on one side and the FSA on the other. Getting crushed by the weight of both
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 12:15 PM (493sH)
Twenty something: G#d damned busy-body, tea-bagger, Christianists trying to put their morality on me while leaving all the women, minorities, immigrants, handicapped, and muslims out in the cold!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 12:15 PM (NOIQH)
Close. I think it's more like:
Define Socialism: Fair
Define Communism: Fair plus Che T-shirts
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:15 PM (XItbt)
Hey, WTF? All we do is make our nice little cheeses!
Posted by: Denmark at March 15, 2016 12:16 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:16 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Weasel at March 15, 2016 12:16 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 15, 2016 12:16 PM (h/uSM)
Posted by: mrp at March 15, 2016 12:16 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 15, 2016 12:16 PM (KUaJL)
Especially if the Asian college student had accused Moses of groping his junk.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:16 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 15, 2016 12:16 PM (kTF2Z)
**points out true Communists believe the government eventually withers away.
As.If.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:16 PM (8XRCm)
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Also points out that communists who believe this are the dumbest of communists.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:17 PM (rJSDb)
Posted by: patchouli stinking hippie at March 15, 2016 12:17 PM (AGJqR)
Posted by: Beth M at March 15, 2016 12:15 PM (kiy9d)
Then the last two people flip coins or see who draws the high card.
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:17 PM (XItbt)
So the taxpayers are the bottom ball supporting the politicians on one side and the FSA on the other. Getting crushed by the weight of both
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 12:15 PM (493sH)
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Yup. That about sums it up.
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:17 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Bernie at March 15, 2016 12:17 PM (h/uSM)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (so+oy)
Are you sure he's not polishing that brutal Kevin Williamson takedown?
Posted by: jwest at March 15, 2016 12:17 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: WTP at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (V40IZ)
The right ball represents Alexander Kerensky. The left ball represents
Vladimir Ulyanov. The ball on the bottom represents the idiots who
couldn't tell the difference.
Posted by: mrp at March 15, 2016 12:16 PM (JBggj)
We got a reader! We got a reader here!!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Patrick Sherrill at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (UhRGU)
and use your state media to engage in demographic warfare on your native population...
just not to the degree of "Rape Gangs of Malmo" Sweden....
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (g8Hfr)
Hayek had a simple argument in his Road to Serfdom: in addition to being inherently coercive, central planning is sub-optimal because it's not good as free market pricing at processing information in order to make informed decisions. Even when bureaucrats are smart and well-intentioned, they don't always have all the information they need. If they do have sufficient information, they get overwhelmed by it. Free market pricing wins every time, with the exception of the occasional grand military-oriented project.
An extension of this idea is that bureaucrats don't like change and won't admit to making mistakes.
Compare the private sector: even monopolistic companies that don't change and won't admit to making mistakes will eventually fail.
These basic principles explain why the Soviet Union fell. It was part of Reagan's plan.
If you understood Hayek, you'd have known that ObamaCare was doomed to fail. A pure single payer replacement will be even worse.
A guy as old as Bernie who's lived enough history should know better. I can't understand how a mind like his works.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Cheri at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: jwest at March 15, 2016 12:17 PM (Zs4uk)
Keep poking the ewok. He loves fingers.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Iblis at March 15, 2016 12:19 PM (9221z)
Posted by: redbanzai at March 15, 2016 12:19 PM (y7/KB)
Posted by: IC at March 15, 2016 12:19 PM (a0IVu)
1. It's nationalistic.
2. It has an emphasis on executive authority over business, private affairs, and property, executed capriciously by executive prerogative.
3. It has little concern for the welfare of the individual as a good as such. Promoting the individual is only an avenue to promote the overall good of the state.
It is essentially, at it's core, a flavor of socialism that ascribes to Great Man Theory, rather than the Moral Arc of History Theory.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 15, 2016 12:19 PM (0q2P7)
Whether voted on by millions or by the force of a military few--the result is the same: Millions must be stripped of their property, their wealth and--if they resist--their lives, in order for the socialist to deliver on their promises to the poor masses.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 15, 2016 12:19 PM (fQ/0p)
Then he would be Melissa Click
Fields must have never been on a subway in her life
Posted by: ThunderB at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (nov1p)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (r1fLd)
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Go back to your postulate that "bureaucrats don't like change and won't admit to making mistakes."
There you go.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (xrInd)
"This time, THIS TIME we'll get it right!"
Posted by: Tim in GA at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (hs1GV)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:10 PM (rJSDb)
I have a personal friend who is an in-the-know socialist. Not a misguided idealist. A true believer socialist. Got an MBA in Healthcare Management. Talks about how great big pharma is for the market. Very smart guy. Debater in high school and college. Very underhanded in debate. And molded by his mother and father.
I remember a moment, probably 2nd or 3rd grade, when his father was driving me and him somewhere and his dad said "It's really all a great circle. Too far one direction and you end up with dictatorship. The left, with communism, and the right, with fascism." A harmless, seemingly magnanimous idea.
And it took me over a decade to to realize what a crock that is.
They're very close, the socialists, to their goal of ending the discussion altogether. We have to be smart. And we have to work together.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (Fmupd)
Of course she does - that's why she cut it. She doesn't want to be seen as a FOXBABE.
Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (/DJaS)
Posted by: Soup Nazi at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (UhRGU)
SOCIALIST PARTY: You can't do that!
NSP: Why not? We won the election!
SP: No, the only loyal opposition is a loyal SOCIALIST opposition. Enjoy your time in prison.
NSP:
Posted by: joncelli, gone Shakespearean at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (RD7QR)
******
I am a big fan of Selma Hayek, no matter what her politics are.
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: PantsGoBrown at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (99UcJ)
I don't think they understand what that term means.
Posted by: fixerupper
A lot of that going around.
Posted by: DaveA at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (r1fLd)
It doesn't. All it knows is propaganda and an agenda. just like his idiot followers.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (493sH)
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:11 PM (Fmupd)
Of course she does - that's why she cut it. She doesn't want to be seen as a FOXBABE.
Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (/DJaS)
The ratings seem to bear you out.
Posted by: Iblis at March 15, 2016 12:21 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Starflower at March 15, 2016 12:21 PM (mEZce)
Posted by: IC at March 15, 2016 12:21 PM (a0IVu)
Even if some of that population is also college educated.
You see, they're special, and knowledge increases by so much these days that what the last generation learned is irrelevant (so they are taught).
It would be easy to convince most of them that fascism is great, as long as you don't call it that. In fact, that has already happened.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 15, 2016 12:21 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: Cheri at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (oiNtH)
Add some ValuRite to that cocktail and you've got ace's morning 'pick me up'.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:21 PM (xrInd)
I would love that.
But if he doesn't, it looks like there's already an entire book that would do that: "Listen, Liberal, Or Whatever Happened to the Party of the People" by Thomas Frank. Yeah, the same guy who wrote "What's the Matter with Kansas?"
http://kylesmithonline.com/?p=11826
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 12:21 PM (NOIQH)
I had an epic post on Keynes v Hayek and the public need for a swimming pool back in '12...
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Wish I'd saved it.
Punchline was modern Keynesians would subsidize pumping water from the Marianas Trench as a "wealth magnifier"....
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:22 PM (g8Hfr)
It wasn't me, though, I believe in the gardener's democratic republic: I get to decide who's a rose and who's a weed.
Posted by: Satan relaxing by the fireplace at March 15, 2016 12:22 PM (qSIlh)
Only one concern: There was a man in a Trump shirt staring at people outside the polling station. He looked distinguished yet threatening, like Erwin Rommel.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at March 15, 2016 12:22 PM (Ui7Rt)
Posted by: Starflower at March 15, 2016 12:22 PM (mEZce)
Posted by: mindful webworker - pun-ishingly at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (Gjw1J)
Posted by: Bernie voter at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (nov1p)
Didn't work. She's still a babe.
*faps*
Posted by: Bandersnatch, fapping at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (XItbt)
I can think of two big reasons guys like Selma Hayek.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (xrInd)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (r1fLd)
Simple. His mind does not work and neither does he. True throughout his life and has not improved with age.
t's what makes him so appealing to his supporters. They are incapable of logical thought and don't want to work either.
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (XItbt)
Socialism: The Bad Shepard fleeced the sheep.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (Nwg0u)
the vision of socialism has taken root as well -everywhere but in the United States.
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Wanna bet???
Pick a TV channel. ANY channel. Just watch.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:24 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Jack Handey at March 15, 2016 12:24 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (r1fLd)
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One doesn't read much history living in a tool shed until he's 40. All he offers is bitterness. Bernie is the Unabomber without the bombs.
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:24 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 15, 2016 12:24 PM (rwI+c)
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One of the reasons I misunderstood it was because of a joke my dad made that I misunderstood as a kid and carried with me for a long time.
It was in response to a Simpsons episode. We see a snippet from a McBane movie where the titular hero is fighting Commie/Nazis (obviously meant by the writers of the show as just the ultimate bad guy, not a political statement). My dad laughed at the image and said something along the lines of "That would never happen." I then compounded that with the general consensus and BAM!
The idea that Communists and Fascists are completely different took root.
Of course, my dad was talking in an A True Believer sense in that Nazis and Commies just hated each other (hence why Hitler persecuted Commies) not that they were ideologically opposed to each other.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:25 PM (rJSDb)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, fapping at March 15, 2016 12:25 PM (1xUj/)
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I thought i was 1 coyote and 1000 sheep, but only the coyote chooses.
Posted by: Bernie at March 15, 2016 12:25 PM (h/uSM)
Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at March 15, 2016 12:25 PM (dEwvU)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 15, 2016 12:26 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 15, 2016 12:26 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: Cardassian Prisoner 2397645 at March 15, 2016 12:26 PM (FtrY1)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (r1fLd)
Somewhat.
Hayek recognized that the free market was the best way to deliver every day healthcare, but on catastrophic, he knew that government could and should play a role.
From the "Road to Serfdom"...
"Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist the individuals in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision. Where as in the case of sickness and accident, neither the desire to avoid such calamities nor the efforts to overcome their consequences are as a rule weakened by the provision of assistance - where, in short, we deal with genuinely insurable risks - the case for the state's helping to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance is very strong."
Posted by: jwest at March 15, 2016 12:26 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:24 PM (Fmupd)
He literally DID live in a van down by the river. Until he got into politics.
To everyone on the left, that is success.
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:26 PM (XItbt)
Let's see now, China is communism + capitalism, that makes them
Tom Friedman's favorite country.
South Africa is socialism + capitalism, that makes them
Ruth Bader Ginsberg's favorite Constitutional source code. Their C guarantees free medical, food, shelter, etc as a right. You don't hear much about them anymore.
Venezuela is, according to the above definition, communism.
What they are is a failed state, with a barely functioning voting democracy. But the voters are trying to change that at long last.
It'll probably take an armed revolution there to oust the commies.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 15, 2016 12:26 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: Bernie at March 15, 2016 12:25 PM (h/uSM)
But the American people don't need 1000 choices
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2016 12:26 PM (mEZce)
Posted by: eman at March 15, 2016 12:26 PM (V1nVo)
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:20 PM (XItbt)
I can think of two big reasons guys like Selma Hayek.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (xrInd)
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Is her personality one of them?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:26 PM (rJSDb)
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:27 PM (v0/PR)
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at March 15, 2016 12:27 PM (VgCnS)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 15, 2016 12:27 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2016 12:27 PM (B48dK)
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The ONLY, THE ONLY reason the Commies and the Nazis hated each other was The Reich broke their non-aggression pact and Hitler tried to take Mother Russia by force.
They HAD a deal. They were buds.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:27 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Arthur Thread at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (3EerS)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 15, 2016 12:23 PM (rwI+c)
Actually they have, they just did not realize because they are stupid
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (1ijHg)
You can not be a capitalist and a fascist.
Posted by: danny at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (ipWk5)
Posted by: Eddie Baby at March 15, 2016 12:13 PM (etGXU)
I like that.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:14 PM (2PHKP)
It's a take off on a Ben Franklin quote, "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Posted by: redbanzai at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (y7/KB)
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:27 PM (v0/PR)
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Yup... me two. Tho I had to stand in line for five minutes.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (8XRCm)
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How's the food in the freshman dorm this year?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (8XRCm)
Salma.
Everyone gets that wrong.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, fapping at March 15, 2016 12:25 PM (1xUj/)
Ahem.
*points up*
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Weasel at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (mw8Dm)
I approve of this message.
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Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (mf5HN)
My Lord. She's smuggling bowling balls.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Bernie at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (h/uSM)
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The ONLY, THE ONLY reason the Commies and the Nazis hated each other was The Reich broke their non-aggression pact and Hitler tried to take Mother Russia by force.
They HAD a deal. They were buds.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:27 PM (8XRCm)
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Yup.
I think that there was discomfort between them because one didn't believe in the right way to use the tools of government and they disagreed on ultimate ends (fascists believe the state as the goal while communists believe that the state will just get replaced by...harmony...or something).
Still, the hate really did start there with the break of peace.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (rJSDb)
Posted by: Colonel Santiago is the Hottest Avatar at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (1ijHg)
National Socialist Workers Party
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 12:30 PM (493sH)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 15, 2016 12:30 PM (nov1p)
Posted by: Jack Handey at March 15, 2016 12:30 PM (UhRGU)
You can not be a capitalist and a fascist.
Posted by: danny at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (ipWk5)
What is the economic position of facists?
I honestly don't know.
Posted by: jwest at March 15, 2016 12:30 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (8XRCm)
Is the weather your way as beautiful as it is here?
I was surprised it wasn't crowded given the great weather.
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:30 PM (v0/PR)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:18 PM (r1fLd)
Why? it worked for him. He was a fucking failure in the real world. Like most leftists, they stand to gain from taking power from people and keeping it for themselves.
This is why the Founding Fathers were so unusual. Most had little to gain, and everything to lose. Some did. Several lost their lands and homes. One lost his wife, who was taken prisoner and treated badly. She died in captivity.
Sanders and mommom are the exact opposite.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 15, 2016 12:30 PM (326rv)
Posted by: Captain Rubio, USS Florida at March 15, 2016 12:31 PM (Z9O76)
Posted by: redbanzai at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (y7/KB)
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FIFY
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:31 PM (rJSDb)
Posted by: scorecard at March 15, 2016 12:31 PM (HSAmh)
*points up*
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (mf5HN)
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But... arent you always pointing that direction by default????
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:31 PM (8XRCm)
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Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (mf5HN)
If one is posting Hayek pictures, etiquette dictates that one go with From Dusk Till Dawn:
http://tinyurl.com/h79qev5
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:32 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 15, 2016 12:32 PM (rwI+c)
The ONLY, THE ONLY reason the Commies and the Nazis hated each other was The Reich broke their non-aggression pact and Hitler tried to take Mother Russia by force.
They HAD a deal. They were buds.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:27 PM (8XRCm)
Yeah but NO. Not even close
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2016 12:32 PM (mw8Dm)
yes ... yes they do.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (rwI+c)
Yup. Though I do believe that architectural concepts more commonly used to hold up the roofs of medieval churches may be involved.
http://bit.ly/1QV3FsV
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:32 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (1ijHg)
National Socialist Workers Party
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 12:30 PM (493sH)
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Mussolini was the real fascist of the two. Hitler was more of a fascist lite socialist heavy mixture.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:32 PM (rJSDb)
^This. Well, looky here, you voted to put the noose around your neck. Sorry, no take backs.
Posted by: no good deed at March 15, 2016 12:32 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 15, 2016 12:32 PM (XtAzU)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 15, 2016 12:32 PM (Nwg0u)
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Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood
A: What are "Frida" and "Ask the Dust"?
Q: In these two movies Salma Hayek took off her kit.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 15, 2016 12:32 PM (1xUj/)
I was surprised it wasn't crowded given the great weather.
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:30 PM (v0/PR)
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Awesome bluebird day today.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:33 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2016 12:27 PM (B48dK)
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My parents were doing that when I was conceived!
Posted by: Barky the Great at March 15, 2016 12:33 PM (T/5A0)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 15, 2016 12:33 PM (MlXgU)
If they want to see no one show up to vote in the general, make that wet noodle the nominee.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 12:33 PM (493sH)
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A most excellent article.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2016 12:33 PM (9mTYi)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
National Socialist German Workers' Party
ie "Feel the Bern"
almost literally, perversely...
"Feel the Bern"
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:33 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 12:30 PM (493sH)
Nuh uh
-LIV
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 15, 2016 12:33 PM (mEZce)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 15, 2016 12:34 PM (nov1p)
Sallma Hayek at her most incredible. 'That's what I call a f*cking show'.
Posted by: mega machines at March 15, 2016 12:34 PM (fbovC)
They HAD a deal. They were buds.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:27 PM (8XRCm)
The whole "Left vs Right" thing was because the Commies sat on the left of the Reichstag, and the Nazis sat on the right.
To Americans, they're all leftists. But the leftists try to obfuscate the horrific consequences of their ideology by saying "You have bad guys on your "side" too!" When all the bad guys are on their side.
Posted by: Iblis at March 15, 2016 12:34 PM (9221z)
But, you'll still be a loser--the only winners under socialism are the self-same set of assholes you hate now.
Because someone willing to hustle, cheat, work and deal to get ahead now sure as fuck ain't gonna get left behind just 'cause your stupid, lazy ass voted for another politician.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 15, 2016 12:34 PM (fQ/0p)
Posted by: Lookout Frederick Rubio, Titantic at March 15, 2016 12:34 PM (Z9O76)
Free will meant a lot to them.
They can kill me but they can't eat me. I'm too tough.
Posted by: scorecard at March 15, 2016 12:34 PM (HSAmh)
http://youtu.be/qnJJ2fojawE
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2016 12:35 PM (B48dK)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 15, 2016 12:35 PM (iQIUe)
.....
She has nice hands.
--
i haven't made it past the feet yet
Posted by: Quentin T at March 15, 2016 12:35 PM (h/uSM)
Posted by: RM at March 15, 2016 12:35 PM (U3LtS)
Shouldn't you be cleaning your bong?
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:35 PM (xrInd)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 15, 2016 12:36 PM (nov1p)
Posted by: Jack Handey at March 15, 2016 12:36 PM (UhRGU)
A guy as old as Bernie who's lived enough history should know better. I can't understand how a mind like his works.
It doesn't. Remember, this is the nickelfucker who never had a job in his life until age 40, and spent most of his time - when he could have been providing for his family and being a role model - living out of dumpsters, driving a rusted-out shitbox and being the crappiest carpenter on two legs.
Sanders - despite his age - isn't an adult. He's never had to really live with the consequences of his life choices because, all the time along the line, someone has bailed him out, whether it be his imbecile wife or the government.
If you imagine your bratty, twerking kid screaming, "you don't know what it's like to be me! I hate you, daddy! I wish I were dead!", you've captured the essence of Bernie Sanders. A rotten, ungrateful punk who's done nothing in his life but suck off the charity of others.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2016 12:36 PM (X6fMO)
The ONLY, THE ONLY reason the Commies and the Nazis hated each other was The Reich broke their non-aggression pact and Hitler tried to take Mother Russia by force
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No.
There were plenty of street fights between them prior to the war. Commies were seen as traitors who wanted to erase the borders and water down or eliminate Aryan blood. Remember :Blut und Erd, blood and soil, were their cornerstone.
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at March 15, 2016 12:36 PM (VgCnS)
Good luck
Posted by: ThunderB at March 15, 2016 12:30 PM (nov1p)
Well, yeah. Those implants aren't going to pay for themselves, you know.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:36 PM (xrInd)
Posted by: Roy at March 15, 2016 12:37 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: George Wallace at March 15, 2016 12:37 PM (HSAmh)
Posted by: scorecard at March 15, 2016 12:31 PM (HSAmh)
Not sure about that. My understanding is that delegates are required to vote for who they were selected for on the very first ballot. If no one wins an outright majority, then delegates are freed up in stages to vote for whomever they want on the following ballots until someone does get a majority.
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 15, 2016 12:37 PM (wqVD1)
It is a lot more complicated than that, BUT the Nazis and Communists hated each other b/c they were engaged in pyramid marketing for the same voter base *in* Germany.
They also had trade and military exchange pacts going back to the Weimar Republic.
There is plenty of evidence that Stalin intended to drive east by 1942 come hell or high water himself.
I liken it to two drunks brawling over beer or whiskey as proper poison.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:37 PM (g8Hfr)
HA! See what I did there? See, see? Anyone? Hello?
I'll just slink away now.
Posted by: Burn It Down at March 15, 2016 12:37 PM (qHgBB)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (1ijHg)
National Socialist Workers Party
NSDAP
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
National socialist German Worker's Party.
Hitler hated the commies, fwiw. Took on the socialists as a way to co-opt the disaffected rabble, but was never on board with Marxism.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 15, 2016 12:37 PM (1xUj/)
It really doesn't matter if it's Salma or Friedrich, both of them agree on a Medicare expansion to cover everyone for catastrophic illness and injury under a single payer plan.
The good news is that there are so few people who would be actually affected by this, the change would be just about invisible.
Posted by: jwest at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (Zs4uk)
There was some site that showed her breasts increasing over the years before she even had the kid. The latest implants were from a year ago and are YUGE.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (nov1p)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2016 12:36 PM (X6fMO)
I love you when you're angry -- in a manly way, of course.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (xrInd)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (YEelc)
Posted by: Starflower at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (mEZce)
Democratic socialism is the same with half a parachute (Western Europe).
The trip is a little slower, but the ending is the same.
Posted by: Retardo Mentalblock at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (SEFXb)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 15, 2016 12:29 PM (0mRoj)
Lol the cleavage doesn't even look photoshopped it looks microsoft painted.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (xuouz)
Good point. Is Trump a closet Hayek fan too?
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Lizard Person Trump at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (nbGZj)
Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (ml1PM)
I liken it to two drunks brawling over beer or whiskey as proper poison.
Posted by: sven10077
Huh?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (326rv)
Rush also said convention rules committee GOPe guy is claiming
delegates don't have to vote for who they were elected on first ballot.
Posted by: scorecard at March 15, 2016 12:31 PM (HSAmh)
That's
been the rule all along. Delegates are required to vote for who they
were selected for on the very first ballot. If no one wins an outright
majority, then delegates are freed up in stages to vote for whomever
they want on the following ballots until someone does get a majority.
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 15, 2016 12:37 PM (wqVD1)
Maet, scorecard is saying the GOPe guy is saying they DON'T have to vote that way on the FIRST ballot.
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (v0/PR)
Posted by: ahem at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (lKGzI)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (B48dK)
It really doesn't matter if it's Salma or Friedrich, both of them agree on a Medicare expansion to cover everyone for catastrophic illness and injury under a single payer plan.
The good news is that there are so few people who would be actually affected by this, the change would be just about invisible.
Posted by: jwest at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (Zs4uk)
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If we switched to that from what we have now, it would be pretty seismic.
Because we've gone so far down the rabbit hole in terms of government involvement in healthcare.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (rJSDb)
Posted by: Hadoop at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (2X7pN)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (x/A1h)
If you imagine your bratty, twerking kid screaming, "you don't know what it's like to be me! I hate you, daddy! I wish I were dead!", you've captured the essence of Bernie Sanders. A rotten, ungrateful punk who's done nothing in his life but suck off the charity of others.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2016 12:36 PM (X6fMO)
This too, is the story of Barack Obama
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (XItbt)
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http://bit.ly/1YWpM5pPosted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (mf5HN)**kneels before the Imperial Throne**You are as generous as you are cruel, Divine One.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2016 12:40 PM (X6fMO)
part of why he was caught pantsed and all was he intended to invade himself.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:40 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Captain Max Rubio, HidenFLORIDA at March 15, 2016 12:40 PM (Z9O76)
I liken it to two drunks brawling over beer or whiskey as proper poison.
Posted by: sven10077
Huh?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (326rv)
I think he meant drive West but hey he's on roll, leave him alone
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2016 12:40 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: Arthur Thread at March 15, 2016 12:40 PM (3EerS)
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:40 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 15, 2016 12:40 PM (UBzPO)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 15, 2016 12:40 PM (8ZskC)
We are going to SINK democracy without a shot fired. We will invade your schools, your higher education, your businesses and your government. We will subvert American idealism by removing God, sin, morals and patriotism.
And here we are, overrun with useful idiots doing the Commie playbook, thinking it's all about free college and tampons.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (aRUb8)
You can not be a capitalist and a fascist.
Posted by: danny at March 15, 2016 12:28 PM (ipWk5)
What is the economic position of facists?
I honestly don't know.
Fascism (and Nat. Socialism) could be described as "socialism with an aristocracy". Unlike communism, there was a distinct hierarchy of privileges (not rights, as we think of them) based on party membership, race, nationality, or some other trait (tribe membership, etc.) instead of class identity. Government controlled much of the economy and often provided social welfare for certain groups ("master race").
Posted by: syberpunk at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (53DnI)
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 15, 2016 12:37 PM (wqVD1)
Wait, what?
The rules guy said the exact opposite. He claimed that delegates are NOT required to vote for the choice their voters selected EVEN ON FIRST BALLOT. So why have the primary at all, then?
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (xrInd)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (r9tFS)
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (326rv)
I think he meant drive West but hey he's on roll, leave him alone
Posted by: Nevergiveup
If either one starts bombing Pearl Harbor, by golly, I'm going to say something!
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (326rv)
I think Bern and Niki had the same shoe size.
Posted by: Roy at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (VndSC)
The rules guy said the exact opposite. He claimed that delegates are NOT required to vote for the choice their voters selected EVEN ON FIRST BALLOT. So why have the primary at all, then?
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (xrInd)
It was one idiot guy. forgetaboutit
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2016 12:42 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (xrInd)
So we can give the appearance of democracy.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:42 PM (2PHKP)
That thing still around?
Astroturf - probably funded by a Soros organization.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 12:42 PM (NOIQH)
Stalin intended to attack Germany in 1942 according to some interpretations of his TO ampersand E and behavior when invaded.
Hitler and Stalin had a wary mutual respect for the effectiveness of their secret polices and ability to "do business."
Both had de facto or de jure control of their industrial base and outlawed opposition and had eradicated dissidents within their own party via pogrom...
need I go on?
Two drunks...one is a beer fan the other a vodka fan...both drunks.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:42 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at March 15, 2016 12:43 PM (ucB75)
That thing still around?
What do they have, 4 members?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?
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That actually is from the Lemon Party.
Posted by: Roy at March 15, 2016 12:43 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:43 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (xrInd)Right back atcha, bro.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2016 12:43 PM (X6fMO)
Rush agrees with you. Rush is saying that a long term member of the permanent rules committee is trying to say that what you said is a misconception. ie GOPe is trying to rig the convention so they get their man. Rush says they are beyond panicked.
Posted by: scorecard at March 15, 2016 12:43 PM (I0sxh)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 15, 2016 12:43 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2016 12:40 PM (X6fMO)
*waves paw imperially*
Yes, yes, I am most benevolentish.
http://bit.ly/1WnZszA
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:44 PM (mf5HN)
This x 1000's
That's why you hear desperation and fear in their voices these days .... they're [i[]so close, but it could still all slip away in a second .... if we would work together.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 15, 2016 12:44 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: Retardo Mentalblock at March 15, 2016 12:44 PM (SEFXb)
That's because I think he actually believes his bullshit. Which you can only do by ignoring facts that are inconsistent with your conclusions, which in Bernie's case are always legion.
Hillary I kinda understand at a basic level. She no longer believes the bullshit but will say or do anything because of Pathological Power Lust.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:44 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: syberpunk at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (53DnI)
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Can we say "explicit" hierarchy of privileges instead of "distinct"?
Cause there are definite distinct privileges of hierarchy in any socialist/communist system.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:44 PM (rJSDb)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 15, 2016 12:44 PM (r9tFS)
I thought they disappeared a couple of weeks after they were born from derision and apathy?
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper formerly MrCaniac at March 15, 2016 12:44 PM (1JnAL)
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (v0/PR)
First I've heard of it. I suppose the rules committee might have the power to modify any rules including this one. But I think it would be pointless to even try to do this. Either Trump has a majority of delegates and gets the nomination on the first ballot. Or he doesn't and it goes to a second ballot with partially freed-up delegates anyway.
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 15, 2016 12:45 PM (wqVD1)
Wait.... Don Lemon had a party.??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:45 PM (8XRCm)
State party rules determine deployment of delegates. But states meet before the convention to formally select said delegates & could change rules at that time. Also, National Rules Committee meets and sets 2016 convention rules just before the actual convention begins.
No room for shenanigans there, no siree.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 15, 2016 12:45 PM (dQJCS)
Yes, yes, I am most benevolentish.
http://bit.ly/1WnZszA
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:44 PM (mf5HN)
Thank you, may I have another??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:45 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Anita Bryant at March 15, 2016 12:45 PM (8ZskC)
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Speedboat, in a little tidy-bowl man uniform
Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at March 15, 2016 12:45 PM (kXzR8)
Posted by: x at March 15, 2016 12:45 PM (nFwvY)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy
There was little simple in the relationship...
Stalin gave the Luftwaffe the space and secrecy needed to train...
really schizoid.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:46 PM (g8Hfr)
So nice of the commie cocksuckers to give the world proof that the CoffeeParty is a leftist front group.
Not that us Morons had any doubt, but it's nice to have it confirmed.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 15, 2016 12:46 PM (o98Jz)
I think Bern and Niki had the same shoe size.
Posted by: Roy at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (VndSC)
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Which state? If you don't mind me asking.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:46 PM (rJSDb)
Fascism and National Socialism (each in their own way) saw conflict in terms of nation and/or race.
Both were Progressive, statist alternatives to clumsy liberal democracy. They were competing for the same anti-liberal constituency; hence the mutual hatred.
Neo-Marxism combines the old class war of classical Marxism with the tribal politics of Fascism, to which they have added the gender wars. It's fusionist.
The corporatism of Mussolini, which has (technically) private ownership under the constant guidance of the state, has won the day on all sides, even if there are still a few old-time Marxists who want outright nationalization.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 15, 2016 12:46 PM (T/5A0)
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My old high school history teacher, "Chicken Legs" Ingraham, said the only difference between Hitler and Stalin was the shape of their moustaches.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 15, 2016 12:46 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:39 PM (v0/PR)
First I've heard of it. I suppose the rules committee might have the power to modify any rules including this one. But I think it would be pointless to even try to do this. Either Trump has a majority of delegates and gets the nomination on the first ballot. Or he doesn't and it goes to a second ballot with partially freed-up delegates anyway.
Posted by: Maetenloch
If true, they must be desperate.
If this gets out, any pretense about loyalty and not running 3rd party vanishes. Along with some voter enthusiasm.
The Stupid Party: We're just as ruthless (with you peasants), but without the free shit.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 15, 2016 12:46 PM (326rv)
I thought they disappeared a couple of weeks after they were born from derision and apathy?
It dissolved when the barista told them that if they don't buy anything they can't keep using the table and the free wifi.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 15, 2016 12:47 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2016 12:47 PM (B48dK)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:38 PM (r1fLd)
Probably. When you look at the total dollars spent on healthcare, the vast majority is already run through the government. Medicare for those over 65 and Medicaid for the poor take up the vast majority of everything.
Those who are not on a government program and are under the age of 65 rarely ever (as a percentage of the whole population) get sick enough or injured to the point they need catastrophic care. So, moving the expense out of the private sector to the public for this small group is pretty easy.
Of course, with every day care, the economics are totally different and F.A. Hayek agreed that should be totally in the free market private sector.
Posted by: jwest at March 15, 2016 12:47 PM (Zs4uk)
I don't know that they are "very close" to ending the discussion. But it does amaze me how quickly we have gone from a position where socialism was a scurrilous, discredited doctrine which no one in their right mind would want associated with them, to being a mainstream concept seen as a viable alternative here. In the USA!
Posted by: RM at March 15, 2016 12:47 PM (U3LtS)
The second statement is true as well. Under Socialism there is no capitalism because the state owns everything. Therefore, the second statement reduces to Socialism equals fascism, again, no argument from me.
The last statement, and the photo, actually makes some sense, depending on how you look at it. Democratic socialism, if it can exist at all, is an unstable system that will crash and likely burn at the slightest head wind, witness Venezuela.
At the Minnesota Renaissance Festival, there are performers who can juggle while balanced like that....but they don't do it for long.
Posted by: JB1000 at March 15, 2016 12:47 PM (16OL0)
IIRC, Nazi Germany, their ally, had lots of Socialism--plenty of gummint controls, plenty of benefits. And lots of Capitalism to produce the wealth to fund it.
Like Bernie, their understanding of economics is infantile.
Posted by: Retardo Mentalblock at March 15, 2016 12:47 PM (SEFXb)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 15, 2016 12:47 PM (Z8DIA)
committee might have the power to modify any rules including this one.
But I think it would be pointless to even try to do this. Either Trump
has a majority of delegates and gets the nomination on the first ballot.
Or he doesn't and it goes to a second ballot with partially freed-up
delegates anyway.
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 15, 2016 12:45 PM (wqVD1)
"A Republican National CommitteeStanding Rules Committee member told the
membership Friday that convention delegates are not bound to cast their
votes at the convention according to primary vote results in the first
round of voting."
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:48 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Colonel George Rubio, Little Big Florida at March 15, 2016 12:48 PM (Z9O76)
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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scary thing is that if Stalin had told them to drive east to conquer Germany...that is EXACTLY what they would have done.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 15, 2016 12:48 PM (h/uSM)
membership Friday that convention delegates are not bound to cast their
votes at the convention according to primary vote results in the first
round of voting."
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:48 PM (2PHKP)
Link?
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 15, 2016 12:48 PM (wqVD1)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 15, 2016 12:48 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 12:48 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (grind)
For the same reason we have elections, political parties, and 24/7 cable news. Bread and circuses.
Name a single thing that government has done in the past 20 years or so that has had majority public support, regardless of what party was in charge.
It's all a show. Obamacare wouldn't have gotten out of committee without Republican support but no one really reports on or cares about that. The Rs all got to put on a show by voting against it on the floor but knew full well that it was already passed by back door deals that they were fully complicit in.
Every one of the bastards ran on "Repealing" Obamacare, till their consultants poll tested it and decided "Repeal and Replace" was the term of choice. They could have done it any number of a trillion times but never have... and yet we're still hearing about it during this election.
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:49 PM (XItbt)
Ok, which one of you Morons is this? Please send me your address as I have a prize for you. It's totally not a crate of face sized spiders. Not at all.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 15, 2016 12:49 PM (kTF2Z)
Two drunks...one is a beer fan the other a vodka fan...both drunks.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:42 PM (g8Hfr)
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Hitler was a tea-toteler. Although he and his private physician dabbled in opiates and amphetamines.
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:49 PM (Fmupd)
I just don't buy it. I don't doubt that the political class would try something like this, just that it would be successful this year.
In order to believe it, you'd have to believe that a majority of Trump and Cruz delegates would switch over that way. While the delegates are not necessarily supporters of any individual candidate, they do represent a large enough sample from the party to assume that they at least somewhat reflect the will of the party.
If 75-90% of delegates are pledged to Trump and Cruz and Bush ends up walking away with the nomination, then the party leadership has much more control over the party than they've led us to believe over the last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:49 PM (rJSDb)
Geez, I guess democratic socialism will tip over and crash!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 15, 2016 12:49 PM (1D4Ef)
By convention rules that's true. It was always funny, at every convention for the past few cycles, a few Laup Nor supporters would manage to become delegates and you would always have a handful of Laup Nor votes in the final count regardless of what you tried to make it unanimous.
There are state rules that may cause consequences for not voting correctly. But there is no mechanism at the convention to prevent a delegate from voting differently than the state election said he/she should. It's called being a faithless elector.
It even happens at the Electoral College level.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 15, 2016 12:49 PM (0q2P7)
There was an Op-Ed from the period that had them shaking hands carving up Poland smiling saying "scum of the Earth" and "scourge of the working class" to each other laughing....
I am a middle of the roader on "Icebreaker" I don't think Stalin being set to invade "exonerates" Germany and the only tragic thing is both forces did not get sucked into a black hole.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:50 PM (g8Hfr)
"A Republican National CommitteeStanding Rules Committee member told the
membership Friday that convention delegates are not bound to cast their
votes at the convention according to primary vote results in the first
round of voting."
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:48 PM (2PHKP)
Link?
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 15, 2016 12:48 PM (wqVD1)
http://tinyurl.com/z6pzc2s
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:50 PM (2PHKP)
membership Friday that convention delegates are not bound to cast their
votes at the convention according to primary vote results in the first
round of voting."
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:48 PM (2PHKP)
I don't know if this is where that is from but here's a source on this whole thing. Yes, this is being floated and, no, I don't get what the point of primaries are if the RNC goes this route.
http://bit.ly/1pk7aQk
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:50 PM (mf5HN)
SNIP:
Additionally, he noted that the 1976 convention was the final time time delegates were bound by convention rules to cast their votes to match the results of binding primaries. However, the "1980 convention rescinded the 'Justice Resolution' entirely restoring the prohibition of binding,"Haugland wrote, concluding "every delegate at the 2016 GOP convention is a Super delegate."
http://tinyurl.com/z6pzc2s
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:50 PM (v0/PR)
Posted by: RM at March 15, 2016 12:47 PM (U3LtS)
Thank you
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 12:51 PM (493sH)
But what if state parties of states where Trump has a lot of delegates change the rules so their delegates do not vote for Trump on the first ballot? Remember, the primary voting and the selection of delegates are two different and not necessarily binding occurrences.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 15, 2016 12:51 PM (dQJCS)
Posted by: Arthur Thread at March 15, 2016 12:51 PM (3EerS)
I was saying "Super State Socialism" was their drug friend...not literally calling Darth Shicklgruber a beer drinking drunk....
Both sipped of the socialist super state
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:52 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 12:51 PM (493sH)
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Its been a long march thru alot of institutions.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:52 PM (8XRCm)
And you avoid having the Left say that you're for people dying in the streets.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:52 PM (r1fLd)
If 75-90% of delegates are pledged to Trump and Cruz and Bush ends up walking away with the nomination, then the party leadership has much more control over the party than they've led us to believe over the last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
They don't need the "majority"; They need enough to ride the anti trump wave to keep him below 1237 on the first ballot. Then, they will happily point to the rules again about delegates no longer being bound.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 15, 2016 12:52 PM (326rv)
Posted by: That guy who always says... at March 15, 2016 12:52 PM (La6jE)
Posted by: mrp at March 15, 2016 12:53 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Scarface Rubio at March 15, 2016 12:53 PM (Z9O76)
Say where? Orange county?
Was on mine in Palm Beach.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 15, 2016 12:53 PM (WnCSK)
I *think* they're trying to demonstrate that it is an ongoing challenge to balance the two, but not being good at sciencey stuff they throw in the unstable base in addition to the plank.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 12:53 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at March 15, 2016 12:53 PM (ucB75)
If she had grabbed that reporter's arm and moved him aside instead of verbally confronting him she would still have her job and people would be pointing out that reporters should expect to be physically handled when trying to report on a protest.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at March 15, 2016 12:14 PM (qCRLM)
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Rolls eyes.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 15, 2016 12:53 PM (LXJ1e)
Civility Pledge
As a member or supporter of the Coffee Party, I pledge to conduct myself in a way that is civil, honest, and respectful toward people with whom I disagree. I value people from different cultures, I value people with different ideas, and I value and cherish the democratic process.
I am trying to find out from their site what they actually stand for, some kind of policy statement that isn't, like the above, vague blathering.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:53 PM (xrInd)
There are different theories of control that they ascribed to.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 15, 2016 12:54 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Satan relaxing by the fireplace at March 15, 2016 12:54 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 15, 2016 12:54 PM (LUG6K)
Civility and communism? Maybe they can make that combination work. Nobody else ever did.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 15, 2016 12:54 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:54 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:50 PM (2PHKP)
Okay I found the same link.
Assuming the guy knows what he's talking about, then yes delegates are unbound even on the first ballot. Apparently the rule requiring this seems to have been quietly rescinded in 1980 and no one really noticed. It may come down though to arguments over whether state laws supersede party rules.
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (wqVD1)
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: joncelli, gone Shakespearean at March 15, 2016 12:08 PM (RD7QR)
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Well me must be a fascist country because every single interaction amongst individuals is regulated by the state.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (LXJ1e)
I am trying to find out from their site what
they actually stand for, some kind of policy statement that isn't, like
the above, vague blathering.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:53 PM (xrInd)
Man buns and good scones?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (g8Hfr)
actually stand for, some kind of policy statement that isn't, like the
above, vague blathering.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:53 PM (xrInd)
Vague blathering IS their policy statement.
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (v0/PR)
*shoves Coke through USB port for 'bama*
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (mf5HN)
No thanks, I quit in the 80's.
*ducks*
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 15, 2016 12:46 PM (T/5A0)
Very much this. The aristocracy is the ownership, who would make a handsome profit and become a part of the governing apparatus. All major industry would be controlled by the quasi-governmental corporations. All labor would be unionized and the union would be a government entity. Union bosses, corporate owners, leaders of major institutions, all would be incorporated into the state and coordinate with it. There would be a layer of bureaucracy within the government and the corporate institutions; everybody else would be a worker, and treated as such.
Want to know what the Zuckerburgs of America want? What I just described, with them as the aristocracy of corporatism.
Posted by: joncelli, gone Shakespearean at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 15, 2016 12:52 PM (326rv)
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That's what I'm talking about...when the delegates become unbound.
In order for unbound delegates to move at that level away from their pledged candidates, then the delegates would have to be so completely unrepresentative of the party at large that the establishment (which is beginning to warm up to the ideas of both Trump and Cruz in different ways and for different reasons) would have such a stranglehold on all of the delegates as to point them in the direction of either a candidate who failed (Bush, Perry) or someone already distrusted by the party (Ryan).
It's a bridge too far for my suspension of disbelief.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (rJSDb)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:53 PM (xrInd)
Making money for David Frum?
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Hardwood at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (mf5HN)
convention. He thinks GOPe have told or implied to Kasich that they will
make him the nominee. He played a clip of Kasich telling some reporters
how humble he (Kasich) is and how regular folks might have as touching a
story as his (Kasich) but today it was all about him. Kasich parodied
himself. Reminded me of Al Gore. Rush thinks Rubio might stay in to keep
Trump's count down. Rush also said convention rules committee GOPe guy
is claiming delegates don't have to vote for who they were elected on
first ballot.
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Not possible.
I wish the commentators would stop with that lie--that somehow if Rubio an Kasick stay in, they'll siphon votes from Trump.
As of today, there are only 1,392 possible delegates to win left.
Trump sits at 469 delegates.
He wins FL and OH today and he'll have 635.
He only needs 1,237 to win a majority on the 1st ballot.
That's 602 more delegates, after today.
There are, after today, 604 delegates who are from winner-take-all and 120 from winner-take-most states.
Near as I can tell, Trump leads in all of those states (except maybe UT).
Cruz sits at 370.
He needs 867 to win.
He has to take almost all of those 724 delegates plus healthy wins in the other states to win.
After today, Rubio and Kasick are mathematically eliminated from winning the nomination--there is no possible way they can get to 1,237. And there really wasn't before today.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 15, 2016 12:56 PM (fQ/0p)
Yeah, the term "useful idiots" comes to mind.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 12:56 PM (NOIQH)
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There were strong socialist elements to Nazism. For example, the Strength Through Joy socialized vacations program and, of course, the Volkswagen even adopted the nomenclature of the communists.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 15, 2016 12:56 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (wqVD1)
I can see the south being a real problem for the RNC.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:56 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 12:54 PM (r1fLd)
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Its even worse. Women get free HIV testing. Men not.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 15, 2016 12:56 PM (LXJ1e)
SNIP:
Additionally, he noted that the 1976 convention was the final time time delegates were bound by convention rules to cast their votes to match the results of binding primaries. However, the "1980 convention rescinded the 'Justice Resolution' entirely restoring the prohibition of binding,"Haugland wrote, concluding "every delegate at the 2016 GOP convention is a Super delegate."
http://tinyurl.com/z6pzc2s
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:50 PM (v0/PR)
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If this is true, then we're going to get fucked no matter how we vote in the primaries. This is banana republic tyranny.
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:57 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Lizard Person Trump at March 15, 2016 12:57 PM (nbGZj)
They lost me a "Civility Pledge'
I'm ready for the Burr- Hamilton Party.
Enough with the half measures and crowd fights. Since we've devolved entirely to the point of elections being about ratings, reality TV, and who's the biggest celebrity; dammit, I want to be entertained.
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 12:57 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: Dennis at March 15, 2016 12:57 PM (Qm6TR)
Posted by: Arthur Thread at March 15, 2016 12:51 PM (3EerS)
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Of course it will. The problem with socialism is goes againt human nature. People want to keep things they view as having earned. Most people are unwilling and toil and produce only to have it taken away and given to nameless faceless others... or worse... sucked up into a morass of bureaucratic over site.
The only way to make people go against their nature is by using force. You have to forcibly take their income. You force-ably seize their assets. The higher the level of coercion the more force is required.
The other little quirk about human nature is we dont like to be forced and bridle at compulsion. Which is why unfettered socialism invariably leading to camps, killing fields and "reeducation" centers.
Or sawed off little shits named Che that like to kill just for the hell of it.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 12:57 PM (8XRCm)
Local Groups: Every community (area code minimally initially, Congressional Districts and cities ideally) should have the ability to have regular meetings of civil discourse, where education and participation of everyday people thrives.
Townhall Meetings: Establish County and City town hall meetings to voice the public opinion.
Equal Treatment and Justice: Support and endorse equity in the treatment of people.
So it's to be meetings, is it?
You know what happens at these rat bastard commie meetings? It's the guys who have the gluteal stamina to sit in meetings for 11-12 hours that finally decide what gets done, after all the sane people have given up and gone home to bed. *These* are the people that will be running things.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 12:57 PM (xrInd)
*checks iPhone, remembers has date, jumps in Dad's Lambo, screeches away in cloud of smoke . . . *
Posted by: Sharkman at March 15, 2016 12:58 PM (QWtgr)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:50 PM (2PHKP)
Summabitz!
Well, if they do it, that'll be all she wrote for at least a generation, perhaps the end of the party.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 15, 2016 12:58 PM (kKHcp)
Sandra Fluke's birth control which she believes is her Divine Right. But
no one pay's for my Viagra, because I'm an icky old guy.
And everyone gets to pay for pediatric dental coverage even though they may not have kids, or their kids are adults.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 12:58 PM (NOIQH)
World War Two viewed from a 100 year gap will likely be seen as a battle between SuperState economies with the UK and US' 25% Free 75% compelled model winning.
None of the combatant nations were free of "Super State" pretensions including our own.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:58 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:57 PM (Fmupd)
But....but....I got this cute little 'My Vote Counted' sticker today!
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 12:59 PM (v0/PR)
According to the supreme court the national party rules can supersede state rules.
Interesting and terrifying.
Posted by: mega machines at March 15, 2016 12:59 PM (fbovC)
*checks iPhone, remembers has date, jumps in Dad's Lambo, screeches away in cloud of smoke . . . *
Posted by: Sharkman at March 15, 2016 12:58 PM (QWtgr)
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Make that "his Lambo" and it becomes Leo.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 12:59 PM (rJSDb)
You can find copies of the official party platform online and translated. It includes such gems as universal healthcare (for citizens), nationalization of industry, expansion of their social security equivalent, and "abolition of unearned income" (investment and capital gains).
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 15, 2016 12:59 PM (KUaJL)
It is, but the zi comes from sozialistische.
See #232
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 15, 2016 12:59 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Harry Reid's Hands That Are Touching Little Children in Naughty Places at March 15, 2016 12:59 PM (Z9O76)
Yup. Those street fights were the reason the German government started gun registry lists. And when Hitler took power, he used those lists to disarm the people.
Posted by: Fen at March 15, 2016 12:59 PM (V/X7u)
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There was an amusing article at The Federalist yesterday about the "Tampons are a human right!" craziness.
Put the whole matter very simply. Liberal logic> Does it exist? Do I want it? It's a right.
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 01:00 PM (XItbt)
and the "Coffee Party" is utter bullshit: they claim they want open dialogue, right up until the point where you disagree with them.
no thanks, i'll stick with my Tea.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 15, 2016 01:00 PM (KSaVA)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2016 01:00 PM (B48dK)
Posted by: Nomennovum at March 15, 2016 01:00 PM (0z+LY)
Capitalism without a conscience is slavery.
And that is why you also need Christianity.
But, ya, that's a great graphic.
Democracy balancing the greed of Capitalism, but what balances Democracy? What happens when the voters get greedy?
Posted by: Leon James at March 15, 2016 01:00 PM (VmSpu)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 15, 2016 12:59 PM (KUaJL)
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Pure capitalists those guys. Wanting to eliminate any sort of incentive to privately invest in businesses?
Might as well have been written by Adam Smith.
\sarc
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 01:00 PM (rJSDb)
"Dennis! There's some really wonderful shit over here!"
Posted by: Sharkman at March 15, 2016 01:00 PM (QWtgr)
Posted by: That guy who always says... at March 15, 2016 01:01 PM (La6jE)
Salma is a billionaire socialist.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 15, 2016 01:01 PM (iQIUe)
Those who are not on a government program and are under the age of 65 rarely ever (as a percentage of the whole population) get sick enough or injured to the point they need catastrophic care. So, moving the expense out of the private sector to the public for this small group is pretty easy.
Of course, with every day care, the economics are totally different and F.A. Hayek agreed that should be totally in the free market private sector.
Posted by: jwest at March 15, 2016 12:47 PM (Zs4uk)
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The problem is mission creep for insurance.
But then again states already regulate some of that mission creep into it.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 15, 2016 01:01 PM (LXJ1e)
Near as I can tell, Trump leads in all of those states (except maybe UT)."
Spot on! Let's see where we are tomorrow.
So i''ll be a two-man race, maybe a two-and-half man race if Kasich hangs in. If so, while Cruz may win a few states, he has little chance of passing Trump in delegates because Trump will win the delegate rich big states. So high odds that Trump will go into Cleveland with a high plurality or an out right majority of delegates.
Cruz fans must realize this but are still in denial.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 01:02 PM (r1fLd)
and the "Coffee Party" is utter bullshit: they claim they want open dialogue, right up until the point where you disagree with them.
no thanks, i'll stick with my Tea.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 15, 2016 01:00 PM (KSaVA)
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They are different in many ways, just not the ways that matter (state control vs. decentralized and individual control).
They're both statist ideologies, which is enough for me to reject them in toto.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 01:02 PM (rJSDb)
Posted by: Leon James at March 15, 2016 01:00 PM (VmSpu)
Pure democracy always collapses for that very reason.
That's why some very smart old dead rich white fuckers set up a constitutional republic.
Too bad that setup has been thrown out for more pure democracy, which is why #WASTF.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 15, 2016 01:02 PM (QWtgr)
fascism is anti-capitalism.but hey don't let facts get in the way
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 15, 2016 01:02 PM (lKyWE)
country and that he will pony up whatever tax increases are necessary to
prop it up.
100% tax. Hand it over, bub!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2016 01:03 PM (NOIQH)
Yup. And if you pointed this out you got mocked and thrown out of the party.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 15, 2016 01:03 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: That guy who always says... at March 15, 2016 01:01 PM (La6jE)
Too bad you couldn't just knock his ass down and take out his wallet. Save everyone the bother of voting for the same thing.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 15, 2016 01:03 PM (QWtgr)
A:
We're beyond the need for bi-partisanship. What we need a full-scale rejection of partisanship because both parties are plagued by similar issues. We count among our ranks people who may describe themselves as liberals, progressives, Democrats, moderates, Independents, Republicans and conservatives. It is hardly surprising that such a coalition can be built when the need for change is so dire. In the end, transpartistan essentially means transcending parties, not including all parties. It's about not relying on easy political labels, but seeing and valuing other people as individuals with unique experiences and insights.
So there.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 01:03 PM (xrInd)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 01:02 PM (r1fLd)
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We realize the odds. We also realize that the odds get better with Rubio out.
There are polls that show that Cruz beats Trump 1 on 1.
I wouldn't count of Cruz gaining the majority, but I think it's well within the realm of possibility that he gains a plurality.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 01:04 PM (rJSDb)
The way I've always seen it:
The great corporations are in service to the government: fascism.
The great corporations are branches of the government: communism.
The government is in service to the great corporations: corporatism.
The last is also called crony capitalism, of which Teh Donald is a fan.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at March 15, 2016 01:04 PM (1hM1d)
A:
We share their frustration and anxiety and the general sense that they don't feel represented by their government. We have a difference of opinion about solutions. The solution they offer is to regard the government as inherently bad for the people. The government is not our enemy, we are the government. It is an expression of our collective will and if there is a problem we have to be the ones to fix it.
Riiiight...
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 01:04 PM (xrInd)
No doubt. They are probably preparing a Christmas list for the dumb sap that everyone takes for a ride.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2016 01:04 PM (mw8Dm)
A:
We're beyond the need for bi-partisanship. What we need a full-scale rejection of partisanship because both parties are plagued by similar issues. We count among our ranks people who may describe themselves as liberals, progressives, Democrats, moderates, Independents, Republicans and conservatives. It is hardly surprising that such a coalition can be built when the need for change is so dire. In the end, transpartistan essentially means transcending parties, not including all parties. It's about not relying on easy political labels, but seeing and valuing other people as individuals with unique experiences and insights.
So there.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 01:03 PM (xrInd)
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"It's not partisan if we don't ascribe it to a single party. Even if we always just agree with a single party."
LOGIC!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 01:05 PM (rJSDb)
Communism is Perfected Socialism.
Speaking of theocracy, was Jesus a commie, a socialist or a compassionate conservative?
Trick question! Jesus Alou was an outfielder for the Giants.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 15, 2016 01:05 PM (FtrY1)
Posted by: wooga at March 15, 2016 01:05 PM (sHv/J)
Gotta love those old Bolsheviks like Lenin.
Posted by: Hank at March 15, 2016 01:06 PM (vmsfi)
We've been at each other's throats over primary politics for a while now, with a lot of burned bridges between folks here.
Isn't it clear that we don't matter to the party, if they reserve the right unbind delegates? Why should we be at each others throats when the "party" reserves the right to nullify all of our votes and do what they want?
Besides, it really shouldn't be a shock that they are floating this trial balloon.
How have they listened to voters after elections lately?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 15, 2016 01:06 PM (kKHcp)
Because caring giver.
*safe search off, of course
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 15, 2016 01:06 PM (1xUj/)
A:
We share their frustration and anxiety and the general sense that they don't feel represented by their government. We have a difference of opinion about solutions. The solution they offer is to regard the government as inherently bad for the people. The government is not our enemy, we are the government. It is an expression of our collective will and if there is a problem we have to be the ones to fix it.
Riiiight...
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"Hooray for the unelected administrative state! They're always accountable to the people!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 01:06 PM (rJSDb)
We are going to SINK democracy without a shot fired. We will invade your schools, your higher education, your businesses and your government. We will subvert American idealism by removing God, sin, morals and patriotism.
And here we are, overrun with useful idiots doing the Commie playbook, thinking it's all about free college and tampons.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 15, 2016 12:41 PM (2PHKP)
McCarthy and HUAC didn't go far enough in rooting them out. Of course the commies had plenty of allies to fight and defend them and make the anti-commies look like the bad guys. This country really needed to take the fight to them when we had the chance.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 01:06 PM (493sH)
Posted by: John Kasich at March 15, 2016 01:06 PM (sHv/J)
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 01:06 PM (Fmupd)
There were plenty of street fights between them prior to the war. Commies were seen as traitors who wanted to erase the borders and water down or eliminate Aryan blood. Remember :Blut und Erd, blood and soil, were their cornerstone.
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at March 15, 2016 12:36 PM (VgCnS)
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Yes the commies were all international socialists. The state boundaries were something to be melted away.
The Nazis kept the national boundaries and a lot of the socialism that already existed in Germany.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 15, 2016 01:06 PM (LXJ1e)
Hmmmm. My sticker just said "I Voted".
Spoze they're trying to tell me something ?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 15, 2016 01:07 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: scorecard at March 15, 2016 01:07 PM (I0sxh)
Posted by: That guy who always says... at March 15, 2016 01:01 PM (La6jE)
I have one too who is all in for Comrade Bernie. I've asked, are you all for all of his tax increases? blank stare
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 01:07 PM (493sH)
"But....but....I got this cute little 'My Vote Counted' sticker today!"
Hmmmm. My sticker just said "I Voted".
Spoze they're trying to tell me something ?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 15, 2016 01:07 PM (Z8DIA)
I'm pretty sure the joke is on me.
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 01:08 PM (v0/PR)
Posted by: That guy who always says... at March 15, 2016 01:01 PM (La6jE)
But he can do that now. Did you tell them there's a line on your tax return where you can specify how much more tax you're going to be paying in addition to that which you owe. You should have asked him did he use this line item to contribute, and if not, why not?
It's like those idiots who complain that the world is overpopulated. If they really think that, why haven''t they committed suicide? And if you really want to rub it in, tell them it's their big chance to think globally and act locally.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 01:08 PM (xrInd)
Speaking of theocracy, was Jesus a commie, a socialist or a compassionate conservative?
Yes.
Posted by: John Kasich at March 15, 2016 01:06 PM (sHv/J)
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I don't remember Jesus saying, "And go to elect other people to take money from even other people to give to the poor. That will make you holier than me."
Maybe it's somewhere in the Gospel of Thomas.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 01:08 PM (rJSDb)
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Hmmmmmm.
Went fishing with his buddies..... alot.
Brought the booze to a wedding reception. Made the booze actually.
Believed capital punishment was mankind's salvation.
Was a carpenter. Non Union.
Sounds like Jesus was a bubba.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 01:08 PM (8XRCm)
I had an epic post on Keynes v Hayek and the public need for a swimming pool back in '12...
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Wish I'd saved it.
Punchline was modern Keynesians would subsidize pumping water from the Marianas Trench as a "wealth magnifier"....
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:22 PM (g8Hfr)
See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk
and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc
For Keynes v. Hayak. Very good dramatizations funded by the Library of Liberty (and they star a lot of actual economists).
Posted by: redbanzai at March 15, 2016 01:08 PM (y7/KB)
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2016 12:57 PM (Fmupd)
The sooner we all accept this, the sooner we might actually start addressing the real problem.
There hasn't been a legitimate election "By the People" in I have no idea how long. Trunks full of ballots, 10% of votes coming from "undocumented" aliens, 50 people giving an address of the same vacant lot, and the inevitable zombie vote are standard features of every election. In every case, it invariably gets written off by everyone as, "Well, it's such a small margin of the overall vote". Yeah, except to win any election, all you need is a very small margin in the right districts. Funny how, after every election, many people comment on how close margins have become and look back in awe at the Reagan maps, but never take the next step of asking "why" margins have become increasingly close.
Posted by: Damiano at March 15, 2016 01:09 PM (XItbt)
316 295 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 15, 2016 12:46 PM (Nwg0u)
There was an Op-Ed from the period that had them shaking hands carving up Poland smiling saying "scum of the Earth" and "scourge of the working class" to each other laughing....
I am a middle of the roader on "Icebreaker" I don't think Stalin being set to invade "exonerates" Germany and the only tragic thing is both forces did not get sucked into a black hole.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 12:50 PM (g8Hfr)
Y'know, there's a case to be made that the Finns saved Europe in the '40s. See, the conventional wisdom is that both the Nazis and Soviets entered the Non-aggression Pact in order to buy time before fighting each other. But the horrid performance of the Red Army when the Finns kicked their ass in the first part of the Winter War induced the Nazis to invade Russia earlier than planned, because they thought that all that prep work wasn't necessary so let's get to killin' commies and taking their land.
On the other hand though, Stalin was appalled enough at the performance of his forces that he began rehabbing the officer corps that he'd purged just a couple of years before. And he managed to do it just barely in time to save the Soviet Union when Hitler invaded.
One could argue that if the Nazis had waited one more year, they might have built up enough force to overwhelm a Red Army that was totally led by politically reliable yet incompetent officers. It's not a solid argument, but an interesting "what if".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 15, 2016 01:09 PM (o98Jz)
Marriage without sex is frigid.
Butt sex is balance.
Posted by: wooga at March 15, 2016 01:05 PM (sHv/J)
There's your bumper sticker.
Posted by: joncelli, gone Shakespearean at March 15, 2016 01:09 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: dabhidh at March 15, 2016 01:09 PM (O6j2k)
There was an Op-Ed from the period that had them shaking hands carving up Poland smiling saying "scum of the Earth" and "scourge of the working class" to each other laughing....
That was a cartoon by the brilliantDavid Low (sorry for the bad resolution):
http://goo.gl/Z8ugNj
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 15, 2016 01:09 PM (X6fMO)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 15, 2016 01:09 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 01:02 PM (r1fLd)
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They're willing to give it a shot. It's commendable.
As Trump says "swing for the fences".
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 15, 2016 01:10 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 15, 2016 01:10 PM (dQJCS)
Well, the passage "and Jesus spake and bid them hold his beer" is non-canonical, from one of the Gnostic gospels.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 15, 2016 01:10 PM (1xUj/)
Eh yes BUT in the Soviet Union's "evolution" Stalin pretty much also said "Worker's Paradise in one state first" to Trotsky's "Let's Party Everywhere at once comrade" theory...
Stalin dragged the Old Bolshevik state towards "Communism" with borders, of course one could make the argument quite ably that Stalin wanted a secular Russian Empire with himself as Tsar....
The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were at most second cousins and in some eyes ideological soulmates.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 01:11 PM (g8Hfr)
According to a bumpersticker I once saw on a VW bug "Jesus was a Liberal".
Posted by: Tami at March 15, 2016 01:11 PM (v0/PR)
But I don't see anyone laughing .... probably because we can't see over the walls of the gated communities.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 15, 2016 01:11 PM (Z8DIA)
Cruz fans must realize this but are still in denial.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 15, 2016 01:02 PM (r1fLd)
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They're willing to give it a shot. It's commendable.
As Trump says "swing for the fences".
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 15, 2016 01:10 PM (LXJ1e)
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Be of good cheer boys.
Either Cruz or Trump will be the nominee.
YOU HEAR THAT GOPe!!!! FUCK YOU THATS WHY!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 01:11 PM (8XRCm)
4 Brussels police officers shot in terrorist raid linked to Paris attacks. Oh my, I hope there isn't any backlash against the terrorists. I mean migrants.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 01:12 PM (493sH)
Posted by: HH at March 15, 2016 01:12 PM (DrCtv)
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 01:11 PM (g8Hfr)
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They were the same where it counts: State control of as much of the individual life as possible.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 01:12 PM (rJSDb)
THAT was it comrade...
people understood what was going on at the time...
it's taken a lot of commie symp educators to muddy the waters.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 01:13 PM (g8Hfr)
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He walked on water. Clearly, he was a Democrat.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 15, 2016 01:13 PM (Nwg0u)
Well, the passage "and Jesus spake and bid them hold his beer" is non-canonical, from one of the Gnostic gospels.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 15, 2016 01:10 PM (1xUj/)
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Heh... can you guys do THIS!!!!???
Here ..... holdest my beer.
**walks out ONTO the water**
Posted by: fixerupper at March 15, 2016 01:13 PM (8XRCm)
Too bad they're about through.
Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2016 01:13 PM (48QDY)
other people to take money from even other people to give to the poor.
That will make you holier than me."
Maybe it's somewhere in the Gospel of Thomas.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2016 01:08 PM (rJSDb)
I don't remember that either... He seemed to be all about personal action and responsibility.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 15, 2016 01:14 PM (y7/KB)
Posted by: dissent555 at March 15, 2016 01:14 PM (VFhMt)
Cruz fans must realize this but are still in denial
I think most informed people understand that it's likely Trump will -on paper - have more delegates.
People who have an even better understanding know that the theoretical delegates of today won't necessarily reflect the actual delegates who show up at the convention.
The Cruz campaign is far better organized and thus in a better position to manipulate the delegate selection process in accordance with the rules.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 15, 2016 01:14 PM (Dq1f4)
Posted by: Retardo Mentalblock at March 15, 2016 01:14 PM (SEFXb)
Shitty weather and Hitler's meddling with objectives is what saved the Soviet Union in 1941. Outside of the T-34 and a seemingly endless supply of cannon fodder the Red Army still sucked
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 01:14 PM (493sH)
Posted by: redbanzai at March 15, 2016 01:14 PM (y7/KB)
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Lies! It was all about using the force of government to force other people to be virtuous in your place, making you the most virtuous of all!
Posted by: Liberal Christian at March 15, 2016 01:15 PM (rJSDb)
http://tinyurl.com/mee6sh5
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 15, 2016 01:15 PM (UBzPO)
The roofer doing my house is teetering about Hillary. Says if she had done all those things she'd already be in jail.
Too bad they're about through.
Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2016 01:13 PM (48QDY)
It would be mean and antagonistic to spray down your roof with really slick motor oil.
So don't do it.
Really, don't.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 15, 2016 01:16 PM (o98Jz)
They were pretty on the stick about Defense in Depth by Kursk...
I still think we would have won World War Three 1946 though.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 01:16 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: dissent555 at March 15, 2016 01:16 PM (VFhMt)
Hmmmmmm. Went fishing with his buddies..... alot. Brought the booze to a wedding reception. Made the booze actually. Believed capital punishment was mankind's salvation. Was a carpenter. Non Union.
he was popular with the ladies too
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 15, 2016 01:17 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Sam in VA at March 15, 2016 01:17 PM (bNi5D)
After listening to Rush, and if this delegate thing is true, I now wish Cruz would concede.
Let the GOP burn.
Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2016 01:17 PM (SHg2n)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 01:14 PM (493sH)
Like I said, the theory's pretty shaky. But I have some fun thinking about it.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 15, 2016 01:17 PM (o98Jz)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 15, 2016 01:18 PM (kTF2Z)
After listening to Rush, and if this delegate thing is true, I now wish Cruz would concede.
Let the GOP burn.
Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2016 01:17 PM (SHg2n)
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I don't want the GOP to burn based on a rumor when there's still a remote shot Cruz could pull this thing out of his hat.
Posted by: Liberal Christian at March 15, 2016 01:18 PM (rJSDb)
"In what ways are Coffee Prty policy prescriptions and preferences different from that of the Democratic Party in general?"
"And doesn't that graphic make the CoffeeParty a subset of the Democratic Party?"
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 15, 2016 01:18 PM (xrInd)
Posted by: ajmojo at March 15, 2016 01:18 PM (1H9ox)
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Republic of Cuba
Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
People's Republic of China
They all use 'representative' language to describe themselves.
They lie.
Posted by: Retardo Mentalblock at March 15, 2016 01:18 PM (SEFXb)
Let the GOP burn.
Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2016 01:17 PM (SHg2n)
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I have to agree with this - if Trump wins Florida and Illinois tonight, I think it's time for Cruz to get out.
My only goal in this election cycle is to crush the GOPe and even a Trump victory on the first ballot does that for me. Then let it burn.
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 15, 2016 01:21 PM (cR/4a)
Posted by: Haiku Guy at March 15, 2016 01:24 PM (hmj8n)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 15, 2016 12:55 PM (LXJ1e)
Economically we *are*.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 15, 2016 01:25 PM (GDulk)
Posted by: Haiku Guy at March 15, 2016 01:25 PM (hmj8n)
I still think we would have won World War Three 1946 though.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 15, 2016 01:16 PM (g8Hfr)
By 1943 the Red Army had learned a lot from its mistakes and overwhelmed the Germans with men and material. The war in the east was lost in 1941. At best the Germans could have held on to what they had but destroyed their army with the campaigns of 1942 and the attack on the Kursk salient.
I agree in that I think we could have won a war against the USSR in 1946. Especially as they wouldn't have all of our gear and money that we were sending them during the war
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2016 01:26 PM (493sH)
Posted by: Liberal Christian at March 15, 2016 01:18 PM (rJSDb)
Sorry. Rumor or not, my long goal was to see the Burrs and Tillis's and Graham's asses handed to them. You can throw Tim Scott and about 200 more in there. It ain't working.
Posted by: Golfman at March 15, 2016 01:27 PM (48QDY)
That and "The highest duty of man is to die for the State". Which was being taught to the Hitler Youth.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 15, 2016 01:28 PM (GDulk)
People who have an even better understanding know that the
theoretical delegates of today won't necessarily reflect the actual
delegates who show up at the convention.
The Cruz campaign is far better organized and thus in a better
position to manipulate the delegate selection process in accordance with
the rules.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 15, 2016 01:14 PM (Dq1f4)
I wouldn't call it manipulation but you are correct... the delegates are only bound on the first ballot and then they are free to vote for whomever they wish. Those are the rules.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 15, 2016 01:31 PM (y7/KB)
My only goal in this election cycle is to crush the GOPe and even a
Trump victory on the first ballot does that for me. Then let it burn.
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 15, 2016 01:21 PM (cR/4a)
No it is not... it is not Cruz's job to elect Trump and as his voters don't want Trump to be President (and some like me won't vote for him even if he is the nominee), I doubt he will. No matter what the GOPe wants, Cruz has a better than good chance of coming out the nominee at a contested convention.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 15, 2016 01:35 PM (y7/KB)
The Wave of the Future it ain't.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 15, 2016 01:35 PM (evdj2)
GOPe and even a Trump victory on the first ballot does that for me.
Then let it burn.
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 15, 2016 01:21 PM (cR/4a)
You are exactly right! Let it all burn - GOPe, Liberals, Republicans, Constitution, everything - burn it all down! My anger justifies it!
Posted by: Trumpbot #298738975 at March 15, 2016 01:36 PM (D4ynZ)
The Wave of the Future it ain't.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 15, 2016 01:35 PM (evdj2)
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Hey, if you read Das Kapital as apocalyptic fantasy, its a good read.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 15, 2016 01:38 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at March 15, 2016 01:38 PM (y5bPZ)
Posted by: redbanzai at March 15, 2016 01:35 PM (y7/KB)
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But apparently its Rubio's and Kasich's job to get Cruz elected.
Rubio and Kasich must drop out now!
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 15, 2016 01:39 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Trumpbot #298738975 at March 15, 2016 01:39 PM (D4ynZ)
Capitalism is not a system of government, it is an economic system.
Communism is an economic system only in that government runs the economy.
(in the Utopian communist definition ... real communism is about the government acting like a mafia and murdering anyone in their way, but doing it "legally", if kangaroo courts are "legal")
Anyway .. that remark was after one beer, all downhill from here. Hopefully Trump in a landslide so we can get on with destroying the Democrat "commies".
Oh, and communism is when Obama/Jarrett mentors/parents join the actual communist party and marry their children together, and by deceit get them in the White House.
Posted by: Illiniwek at March 15, 2016 01:57 PM (eUbDe)
"Capitalism, however, is a "mere" economic construct."
Posted by: Illiniwek at March 15, 2016 01:59 PM (eUbDe)
Posted by: President Underwood at March 15, 2016 02:12 PM (e8kgV)
We are going to need a longer rope...
Posted by: Thatch at March 15, 2016 02:14 PM (pBZp4)
SEOUL, South Korea -- In late 2013, Jang Song-thaek, an uncle of Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was taken to the Gang Gun Military Academy in a Pyongyang suburb.
Hundreds of officials were gathered there to witness the execution of Mr. Jang's two trusted deputies in the administrative department of the ruling Workers' Party.
The two men, Ri Ryong-ha and Jang Su-gil, were torn apart by antiaircraft machine guns, according to South Korea's National Intelligence Service. The executioners then incinerated their bodies with flamethrowers.
Posted by: President Underwood at March 15, 2016 02:17 PM (e8kgV)
And this is a Good Thing (TM) to Bern people with.
Well, if that's the message they want to send . . .
Posted by: Sam at March 15, 2016 02:27 PM (x15d2)
Socialism is Communism
Socialism is Fascism
Democratic Socialism is Both
Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at March 15, 2016 02:38 PM (KdPei)
I think not.
Posted by: Rails at March 15, 2016 02:51 PM (PA5d5)
This is self-serving leftist twaddle.
Posted by: Matt_SE at March 15, 2016 03:00 PM (9Fcph)
Posted by: BamaBubba at March 15, 2016 03:06 PM (vKTRb)
And somewhat counterintuitively, Capitalism without Socialism actually leads to Communism. At least that's the theory. Communism wasn't supposed to happen in Tsarist Russia. It was supposed to happen in Germany. Because, Marx figured, unchecked Capitalism would be so shitty for the working man that they would revolt.
Socialism is the salve that makes Capitalism seem like a good idea. Without collective bargaining, socialized emergency and health services and labor laws and all that, Capitalism is brutal. Unsafe labor conditions, child labor, etc. We've been through that and it wasn't good.
Mixing socialism and capitalism is what we've had for decades. It works. Socialism has never been a yes or no proposition. It's always been a question of how much. Socialized education? Yes. Socialized fashion? No thanks. Socialized fire departments (we used to have private fire departments and that wasn't so great) is a good thing.
Anyone who thinks all socialism is inherently bad and wrong has no idea what they are talking about.
Posted by: Seattle Slough at March 15, 2016 03:35 PM (mCz8+)
Communism equals theft and slavery.
Capitalism equals freedom.
My foot equals a hippie's ass.
Posted by: CrustyB at March 15, 2016 03:51 PM (GvSpB)
Posted by: Mr. FeverHead at March 15, 2016 03:54 PM (j1Wvr)
Thank You. It is always polite when making a long comment to indicate you are daft in the first sentence.
Posted by: Mr. FeverHead at March 15, 2016 04:00 PM (j1Wvr)
Socialism with Crony Capitalism is Fascism (almost what we have now)
Capitalism without Socialism is Ferengi
Posted by: OKScot at March 15, 2016 04:32 PM (gIpg1)
OR, they were gonna sneak up on 'em.
Posted by: JT at March 15, 2016 05:10 PM (YcncK)
Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.
Michail Bakunin
I choose injustice and priviledge every time
Posted by: Paul at March 15, 2016 05:33 PM (QzF6i)
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Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)