Video Seems to Show Trump Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski Grabbing Breitbart Reporter Michelle Fields

Ben Shapiro calls For Lewandowski's firing, calling the incident "repulsive."

What you're seeing here is the first example of Donald Trump's foreign policy -- creating a crisis and completely fragging your one of your only allies.

Creating your own crisis, then making it worse and worse for you and all your allies. Because your ego cannot take the minor hit of putting out a printed apology

Video here, at the Daily Beast.

Audio of the incident here, where you can hear Washington Post reporter Brian Terris immediately identify Corey Lewandowski as the man who grabbed her.

Terris: "You OK?"
Fields: "Holy sh*t."
Terris: "Yea he just threw you down."
Fields: “I can't believe he just did that that was so hard. Was that Corey?"
Terris: “Yeah, like, what threat were you?"
Fields: "That was insane. You should have felt how hard he grabbed me. That's insane. I've never had anyone do that to me from a campaign."
Terris: "Can I put that in my story?"
Fields: "Yeah, go for it -- that was really awful. That's so unprofessional."
Terris: "He really just almost threw you down on the ground."
Fields: "He literally went like this and was grabbing me down. I don't even want to do what he just did to me. Oh my God, that really spooked me that someone would do that."
Terris: "What threat were you?"
Fields: "Nothing. I was asking about affirmative action."
Terris: "And he probably knows you, right?"
Fields: "Yeah, I don't understand. That looks horrible. You're going after a Breitbart reporter, the people who are nicest to you?"

A lot of Trump supporters said that if Fields had really been assaulted, she should file charges. This was their idea of calling her bluff.

Well, now she's filed charges, and the Jupiter, Florida police are investigating the assault, and they have a fair amount of evidence to start with.

Now begins the process of all the people saying "Didn't happen, she's a nut and a slut" turning to "What does it matter who touched who or where?"

Exactly like as in the Clinton/Lewinsky matter.

These "tough guys" who fling women around have also put Breitbart -- the one news outfit firmly behind them -- in an impossible position. They can only continue agitating for Trump in these circumstances at the expense of their own credibility -- which, in turn, diminishes how effective they can be agitating for Trump.

Gotta be tough. Gotta toss some women around to show how tough you are. Then, after you do it, you do what "tough guys" do -- you like like a little f*cking baby.

All because some men have a backwards, primitive, shame-culture type conception of "honor" that includes simply lying like a little child instead of doing the honorable thing and apologizing.

And Now Breitbart's Spokesman Kurt Bardella Quits: As I said: An impossible situation.

When you reach a point where you can’t give 100% to people you represent it’s not tenable to continue representing them.
— Kurt Bardella (@kurtbardella) March 11, 2016

My own personal observation is that there is an escalating cycle of behavior that happens only at Donald Trump events.
— Kurt Bardella (@kurtbardella) March 11, 2016

It is wrong and disgusting and indicative of an ugliness that is contaminating the public discourse.
— Kurt Bardella (@kurtbardella) March 11, 2016

Life is too short to invest your time in what you don’t believe or aren’t passionate about.
— Kurt Bardella (@kurtbardella) March 11, 2016

Gotta be "tough." Gotta be so boorish and ugly that your very allies tear themselves apart in response to your thuggishness.

Obviously, Trump's gonna win the election -- Why, he's going to win back all those white women who have been voting Democrat for a decade.

Because they're erotically aroused by his "alphaness" or something. They can smell his Trumpian pheremones through the TV screen.

Sure.

Posted by: Ace at 04:04 PM

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1 More secret threads please

Posted by: Skip at March 11, 2016 04:05 PM (fizMZ)

2 I won't believe it until the South Koreans release a video simulation.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 11, 2016 04:06 PM (8ZskC)

3 I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the fact that I am on the same wavelength as Ace about how Clintonian this became...

I better go home and start drinking.

Posted by: H Badger at March 11, 2016 04:06 PM (n/0Nw)

4 I'M A PATSY!

Posted by: Lee Harvey Oswald at March 11, 2016 04:07 PM (8ZskC)

5 Slutty nut? Sign me up.

Posted by: Billy Bob at March 11, 2016 04:07 PM (yn6XZ)

6 The savages!

Posted by: Bob Filner at March 11, 2016 04:08 PM (3EerS)

7 As I wrote there's some splaining to do by some Trump people, but wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

Posted by: Skip at March 11, 2016 04:08 PM (fizMZ)

8 She's a NeverTrump plant. Jeb is behind this somehow.

Posted by: brak at March 11, 2016 04:08 PM (MJuTN)

9 She was asking for it.

Posted by: Trumpeteer Queer at March 11, 2016 04:08 PM (yn6XZ)

10 Trump has a policy against manhandling reporters. It's on his website.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 11, 2016 04:09 PM (8ZskC)

11 #waronwomen

Posted by: BacktoGA at March 11, 2016 04:09 PM (QUl0c)

12 This will be Trump's Hurricane Katrina, the event that will bring him down!

(It does seem that people are treating it that way.)

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet carries ACME Brand Trump-Stoppers! at March 11, 2016 04:09 PM (hLRSq)

13 Well, now she's filed charges, and the Jupiter, Florida police are investigating the assault, and they have a fair amount of evidence to start with.

===

Good. Let's see where it goes.

Posted by: Bigby's Futile Gesture at March 11, 2016 04:09 PM (3ZtZW)

14 Trump really likes Lewandowski. He won't dump him.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 11, 2016 04:09 PM (2x3L+)

15 Let's recap-

She fell on her own.
He said he did it. But he barely touched her.
Bitch deserved it because reasons.
She has a book coming out and this is a publicity hoax.
She was pulled down by someone else, not Lewendowski, probably the SS agents.
No video, no charges, the witnesses are all reporters who hate Trump.
LOLwhatever. Ted Cruz eats boogers.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 11, 2016 04:09 PM (MCmqp)

16

there has to be more video. there were hundreds of cameras there

Posted by: ThunderB at March 11, 2016 04:10 PM (zOTsN)

17 You should always tell the truth about assaulting a woman.

Posted by: Orenthal S. at March 11, 2016 04:10 PM (sPO/s)

18 48 hour rule. She may have misidentified the wrong dude.

It doesn't make sense otherwise. BB is big trump trumpeters. Anyone on Trump campaign who doesn't know this is clueless.

Posted by: mega machines at March 11, 2016 04:10 PM (fbovC)

19 I actually saw this come across my TL earlier:

"She tripped and he caught her"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2016 04:10 PM (8PbKi)

20 Kurt Bardella just resigned from Breitbart over this.

Wonder if Shapiro's next. He's been taking a lot of shit from Breitbart fans (and co-workers) for his anti-Trump stance.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 11, 2016 04:11 PM (MCmqp)

21 Maybe Fields shouldn't have complained about the steaks.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 11, 2016 04:11 PM (8ZskC)

22 Now begins the process of all the people saying "Didn't happen, she's a nut and a slut" turning to "What does it matter who touched who or where?"

How about fuck that, prosecute his ass?
Because if that'd been my wife he grabbed, I'd have busted his nose. On the spot.

Now can we stop with the broad paintbrush?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2016 04:11 PM (/aFKY)

23 Hillary must be so excited at the prospect of running against this guy. He's probably the only one on the planet who could turn her into a sympathetic figure. Serial adulterer running against Tammy Wynette. Awesome. /s

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 11, 2016 04:11 PM (t5zYU)

24 There were cameras at the Rashid Khaliki event, too, and we still haven't seen any of those.

Posted by: Chupacabra at March 11, 2016 04:11 PM (sPO/s)

25 Pretty Thin Ace, pretty Thin. But haters going to hate.
It may show him reaching, but there's no evidence of any sort of abrupt struggle or grabbing whatsoever. He slowly puts his arm out and never makes any other motions with his body. And the Secret Service guy is in between him and Fields.

The BS is strong

Posted by: zzBottom at March 11, 2016 04:12 PM (LxBcy)

26 wow!!! I've never seen such a throwing-down like that video
shows. What a brute!!! To the stocks with him. Well, actually, I still have never seen such a throwing-down. What
am I missing? Oh, yeah, the throwing-down. Where be's it?

Posted by: Norman at March 11, 2016 04:12 PM (CYS6Q)

27 Keith Emerson has died.

http://bbc.in/1LXkgNG

Posted by: The Musical Hat at March 11, 2016 04:12 PM (vBeA5)

28 I think this is still in the "wait and see" camp like evil cop videos, but...

The response of Trump supporters calling her a serial liar, saying "who cares" and laughing at it... not cool guys.

Imagine a Clinton flunky doing this to someone. How fine are you with it then? Consistency is a good thing. Maybe it didn't happen. Maybe it did. But while I don't much care for reporters and they can be jerks, ya don't do that, especially to the ladies.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:13 PM (39g3+)

29 >>>>25 Pretty Thin Ace, pretty Thin. But haters going to hate.
It may show him reaching, but there's no evidence of any sort of abrupt struggle or grabbing whatsoever. He slowly puts his arm out and never makes any other motions with his body. And the Secret Service guy is in between him and Fields.

Back and to the left...
Back and to the left...
Back and to the left...

Posted by: El Kabong at March 11, 2016 04:13 PM (MCmqp)

30 The worst part of this, and the most inexplicable, is the way they went after this woman afterward and tried to smear and discredit her.

Over something this minor -- something that could have been fixed with a simple apology.

This is a window into what sort of goon squad you'll be electing if he wins. "Oh but he's our goon this time" -- until he decides he's not. This is how he treats his backers. The word "asshole" does not do Trump justice.

Dickhole -- maybe that will do. What a dickhole.

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 11, 2016 04:13 PM (LqrRo)

31 they were surrounded by people and cameras. There must be other witnesses and film

Posted by: ThunderB at March 11, 2016 04:14 PM (zOTsN)

32 A little mood music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPECFQ4NhE

Posted by: The Musical Hat at March 11, 2016 04:14 PM (vBeA5)

33 Keith Emerson has died.

welll... hell. ELP is one of my favorite prog rock bands. So much talent in one package. Heck I even liked Emerson, Lake, and Powell.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:14 PM (39g3+)

34 I actually saw this come across my TL earlier:

"She tripped and he caught her"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2016 04:10 PM (8PbKi)
______

Had he given her a shiner, they would have argued that she intentionally ran her face into his fist.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 11, 2016 04:14 PM (PCuoe)

35 30 Still no positive proof. None.
If he didn't do anything, why the hell would he apologize?

Posted by: zzBottom at March 11, 2016 04:14 PM (LxBcy)

36 The video really didn't show anything clearly to me. There were too many people blocking any view of Fields

Posted by: L, Elle at March 11, 2016 04:14 PM (2x3L+)

37 I understand if they want to just re-name it "Trump Magazine" that the name is available.

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at March 11, 2016 04:14 PM (AcoCn)

38 At that same Daily Beast link:

Breitbart helped support the Trump campaign's assertion with its own story on Friday claiming Terris misidentified a security guard as Lewandowski, using video taken from a local Florida television station.

So the jury is out. Well, the jury hasn't been seated.

Posted by: m at March 11, 2016 04:15 PM (S/1cF)

39 Very weak. Where's the "throwing down" referenced?

Posted by: ejo at March 11, 2016 04:15 PM (il4FI)

40 Breitbart has an article surveying the latest evidence and video.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/11/trump-presser-ben-terris-misidentified/

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:15 PM (uURQL)

41 Now can we stop with the broad paintbrush?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2016 04:11 PM (/aFKY)

Not when there's virtue signaling to be done and events to blow out of proportion!

*I already gave my opinion on what should be done yesterday.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let Them Know Where You Stand with the Outrage Outlet Flare Gun! at March 11, 2016 04:15 PM (hLRSq)

42 So what happened to this version?

Breitbart:

Video Emerges to Suggest WaPo Reporter Ben Terris Misidentifies Lewandowski in Fields Incident

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:15 PM (QDZmu)

43 And, then... huff... snort... He said,"Go make me a sammich!"

Posted by: Trumptard at March 11, 2016 04:15 PM (yn6XZ)

44 How is this worse than what Cruz did to Carson?

Posted by: CK at March 11, 2016 04:16 PM (pLYYp)

45 they were surrounded by people and cameras. There must be other witnesses and film
Posted by: ThunderB at March 11, 2016 04:14 PM (zOTsN)
-------
For me all the videos linked so far have been unenlightening. There were some linked yesterday by "deniers" that were very helpfully about 1.1 seconds long - nothing there!. Now there is this video which shows...I guess whatever the viewer would like it to show.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 11, 2016 04:16 PM (NUqwG)

46 The culture of Trump at these rallies has even permeated to his aides.. this is ridiculous... WTF has happened to this country?

Posted by: Chi-Town Gansta at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (UpGcq)

47 I'm just not seeing assault.

I barely see anything, but if I had to give it a name, I'd call it crowd control.

Trump was obviously on his way out and they were clearing the way. She jumped in and got pushed/shoved/grabbed out of the way.

But I truly can barely even see it, and had I not known what is alleged to have happened, I wouldn't see it at all.

And I am a hardcore Cruzer.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (CNKtx)

48 You make these things go away by making a simple apology without accepting blame. Misunderstanding, accident etc. This is part of common courtesy that makes you look good to others as well as defusing any dispute. But it looks like Trump was never taught that in his H.S. Military Academy.

Just playing at being a tough guy, not a real one. It's probably just one of the things Donald is playing at.

Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (YZbBp)

49 If it weren't for the fact that I have a wife and kids that I wish all the best for, the next few years would promise to be quite interesting.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (TnUKj)

50 Jeesh Ace, we get it, Trump's a dick and his entire operation is straight outta The Sopranos.

To quote Drew from a couple posts down, "I think you're letting your rage get the better of you."

Posted by: Kate58 at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (oLZsm)

51 The response of Trump supporters calling her a serial liar, saying "who cares" and laughing at it... not cool guys.

====

Some did. My attitude is more 'its a vitriolic campaign season and absolutely not above shenanigans. Let the law handle it and try to abstain from jumping to any conclusions'.

Do I know its shenanigans? No. Do I suspect it? Absolutely. Trump should throw a counter-suit at her based on that, pro forma.

Posted by: Bigby's Futile Gesture at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (3ZtZW)

52 Video Emerges to Suggest WaPo Reporter Ben Terris Misidentifies Lewandowski in Fields Incident
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:15 PM (QDZmu)

Thats my question as to why ace would post this.

Posted by: cajun caret at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (QfUjv)

53 Yes, this is the battleground to engage Trump on.......

Posted by: East Bay Jay at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (PvCxa)

54 Dumbfucks gonna dumbfuck.

Posted by: eleven at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (qUNWi)

55 So what happened to this version?
Breitbart:
Video Emerges to Suggest WaPo Reporter Ben Terris Misidentifies Lewandowski in Fields Incident
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:15 PM (QDZmu)

It's been updated a few times, I think. This is the latest headline, I believe:

The Scrum: Video Shows Lewandowski Reaching in Michelle Fields's Direction

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:18 PM (uURQL)

56 Very weak. Where's the "throwing down" referenced?
Posted by: ejo at March 11, 2016 04:15 PM (il4FI)
--------
It's a virtual throw-down and there is a web master who saw it all.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 11, 2016 04:18 PM (NUqwG)

57 Y-not: "He's probably the only one on the planet who could turn her into a sympathetic figure. Serial adulterer running against Tammy Wynette."

Yep, that thought has been lurking in the back of my mind, but I couldn't have phrased it that well. The guy that trades in Eastern European mail-order brides for the newest model, versus, yeah, Tammy Wynette is perfect. That's how they're going to portray this.

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 11, 2016 04:18 PM (LqrRo)

58 What candyass journalists in your world.

Posted by: Edward R. Murrow at March 11, 2016 04:18 PM (gwG9s)

59 Trump is 2 people per Doc Carson.
So I'm guessing all this shit is part of multiple personality disorder

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 11, 2016 04:18 PM (voOPb)

60 I still don't see the "thuggiish" attack that was originally described.

Posted by: Flaccid Member at March 11, 2016 04:19 PM (5fSr7)

61 Has Linda Tripp chimed in?

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 11, 2016 04:19 PM (bpn7O)

62 And, then... He chopped off my head, and threw it into a crowd of angry young Muslims. And, they skull-fucked me!

Posted by: Trump Cowers at March 11, 2016 04:19 PM (yn6XZ)

63 I'm still in the wait and see room, Trumps folks sure seem guilty, but I will still question her motives. So far nothing is clear except the spinning both sides are doing.
Lets be honest, it would be a pretty good scoop for a replacement fill in journalist to be the one to finally take down Trump though wouldn't it?

Posted by: IP at March 11, 2016 04:19 PM (aQQbl)

64 I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing on that video. The one dude's arm is at an angle where it slows down, but I don't seen anyone thrown to the ground, or any of the folks behind Trump's entourage looking down at the ground as I expect they would if someone had just been thrown. There's one woman with a notepad close enough to have maybe been the one grabbed, but she's clearly still walking along at the end of the clip. And doesn't appear to react as far as I can see.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:19 PM (ZbV+0)

65 Emerson Lake and Powell, Palmer not part of the group but still putting out great stuff

https://youtu.be/n0Oz9Eqouc4

https://youtu.be/fILj4pXFz5Y

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:19 PM (39g3+)

66 Heavy.com

"Michele Fields: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know"

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:19 PM (QDZmu)

67 Lets be honest, it would be a pretty good scoop for a replacement fill in journalist to be the one to finally take down Trump though wouldn't it?

Posted by: IP at March 11, 2016 04:19 PM (aQQbl)

How does this take down Trump?

Posted by: cajun caret at March 11, 2016 04:20 PM (QfUjv)

68 I'M A PATSY!
Posted by: Lee Harvey Oswald at March 11, 2016 04:07 PM (8ZskC)

Congrats on figuring this out, better late then never I say!

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 11, 2016 04:20 PM (hvf9s)

69 ok, watched the video 3 times and really can't tell what is gong on. what is is supposed to prove again ?

Posted by: runner at March 11, 2016 04:20 PM (c6/9Q)

70 Hold up!!
The Trumpers say it's no big deal since it wasn't him personally

Now let's see if we can swing that logic:
The Trumpers say it's no big deal that there was classified material on Hillary's server since she didn't send it

Let's try again:
Why in the hell is Charles Manson in prison? He didn't kill anyone

Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:20 PM (xsQZk)

71 Terris: "You OK?"

Fields: "Holy sh*t."

Terris: "Yea he just threw you down."

Yeah Man, that THROWDOWN was Epic

Posted by: zzBottom at March 11, 2016 04:21 PM (LxBcy)

72 I like like this post. Of course, I generally like like most of the posts here.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 11, 2016 04:21 PM (gkij5)

73 You are letting the media pick our candidates!

(I can't believe no one has written that here. I don't know you people anymore.)

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let Them Know Where You Stand with the Outrage Outlet Flare Gun! at March 11, 2016 04:21 PM (hLRSq)

74 That was incredibly stupid. Trump should be firing his ass or it will hit Trump too. And as I have said many times, we have shit for candidates this time. None of them are WAS.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 11, 2016 04:21 PM (t2KH5)

75 The dems are much better at assaulting reporters.....anyone remember the Martha Coakley incident in MA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGyIVstNTa8

Posted by: Tami at March 11, 2016 04:21 PM (v0/PR)

76 @55

Ok. Thanks.

This is like that Seinfeld episode with Kramer, Newman and the baseball player.

Spitting from the grassy knoll.

Much ado about nothing.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:21 PM (QDZmu)

77 Remarkable video. I'm pretty sure that was Bigfeet.

Posted by: Phillip J. Fry at March 11, 2016 04:21 PM (yn6XZ)

78 I'm still in the wait and see room, Trumps folks sure seem guilty, but I will still question her motives

Seems like the best and most reasonable approach. But its a club to hit Cruz with to say nothing happened, and a club to hit Trump with to say it did so here we go again. (eyes rolling so hard they spin like a slot machine).

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:22 PM (39g3+)

79 they were surrounded by people and cameras. There must be other witnesses and film
Posted by: ThunderB at March 11, 2016 04:14 PM (zOTsN)

But everyone was focused on Trump. I ca see why there isn't much video.

If this was an assault situation,I think you'd see more reaction from those around her, which I don't see, either.

I also think the WaPo reporter is the one who told her she was almost knocked to the ground and that he egged her on.

I do believe the guy grabbed her hard, but I think he's allowed to keep people away from his client. (Maybe he's not legally, but then how do bouncers and bodyguards not get arrested for assault all the time?)

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 11, 2016 04:22 PM (CNKtx)

80 I haven't watched the video but I did read Breitbart this morning saying that it didn't look like it was Corey L.

So what's the truth?

(Please, please, don't make me watch the video.)

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 11, 2016 04:22 PM (eXTZt)

81 zzBottom: "If he didn't do anything, why the hell would he apologize?"

To put the whole thing to rest, and then it would be a nothing-burger. I apologize all the time, even if I think I didn't do anything wrong. Don't you? Have you ever dealt with a customer?

But no, instead, let's tar her and try to ruin her career over this. Jesus, what a bunch of lunatics.

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 11, 2016 04:22 PM (LqrRo)

82 Ok. Don't really see anything in the video. So did he throw her down? Did he almost throw her down meaning he didn't? Or what?... But at least if the Washington Post reporter said so, who we know is objective about all things political, then Trump is to blame. Why did trump have to throw her down, kick her in the teeth, and laugh at her?

Posted by: sprittle at March 11, 2016 04:22 PM (42kKa)

83 Corgi calls apparently are no longer a thing...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 11, 2016 04:22 PM (9krrF)

84 How does this take down Trump?

Posted by: cajun caret at March 11, 2016 04:20 PM (QfUjv)

Because something must, and this is something, therefore this must take down Trump.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let Them Know Where You Stand with the Outrage Outlet Flare Gun! at March 11, 2016 04:22 PM (hLRSq)

85 We are building a border wall of extraordinary magnitude. We will make Mexico pay for it. Mr. Trump is a magnificent businessman. He has no problems with his penis size. Let's all give Mr. Trump a great big hand.

Trump: COREY!

https://youtu.be/gi2qFDdXr_Q?t=22m15s

Posted by: A Fistful of Trump at March 11, 2016 04:22 PM (/lmqg)

86 Not a Trump supporter. I don't like him, and I suspect he'll be a bad President.

But, as God is my witness, I don't see what other people are claiming to see in those videos! They're almost troll quality! In one, the camera's not focusing on the right area to be revealing, and in the other one, the camera seems to leap upward just before the critical moment!

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but the videos currently being shown around don't seem to prove it did, even though people are saying they do.

I don't get it. What am I missing?

Posted by: Kensington at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (7Kbxu)

87 53 Yes, this is the battleground to engage Trump on.......

Posted by: East Bay Jay at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (PvCxa)

________________________________________

It all goes away if orange combover apologizes. I really do now question the length of his short stubby.

Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (rsudF)

88
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (TnUKj)

And you might come to the attention of important people!

Don't forget the last part of the incantation.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (wYnyS)

89 Umm...I saw nothing.

Posted by: eleven at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (qUNWi)

90 I'M A PATSY!
Posted by: Lee Harvey Oswald

Hi Patsy.
-Alcoholics Anonymous

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (/aFKY)

91 He grabbed her BACK, and to the left!

BACK, and to the left!

Posted by: Kevin Costner in JFK at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (hvf9s)

92 >>>69 ok, watched the video 3 times and really can't tell what is gong on. what is is supposed to prove again ?

It rebuts Lewandowski's earlier claim that he never came into contact with her and was nowhere near her.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (MCmqp)

93 Meanwhile a protester at a Rubio event got blasted by bodyguards too. Its getting rough out there.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (39g3+)

94 scrum rugbyan
ordered formation of players, used to restart play, in which the
forwards of a team form up with arms interlocked and heads down, and
push forward against a similar group from the opposing side. The ball is
thrown into the scrum and the players try to gain possession of it by
kicking it backward toward their own side.

Posted by: DaveA at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (DL2i+)

95 What is seriously up with Drudge? Those Cruz and family videos he put up are just hacky.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (UBzPO)

96 I can't see shit from the video, especially of any assault. So, I have no idea of the truth of this. But ok, Ace, all us "white women" lust after Trump. Wtf? I quit, too!

Posted by: Nem at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (eLvFT)

97 If the only proof is the lameass videos and Terris, she loses.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (iQIUe)

98 I think it obviously was the security guard, who was standing to Corey's right and directly behind Fields.

Posted by: RokShox at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (Ap82b)

99 >>The dems are much better at assaulting reporters.....anyone remember the Martha Coakley incident in MA?

Also good at locking them in closets (Biden), wrangling them inside a rope (Hillary) and following them into the bathroom at political events to ensure they're not reporting on the sly (Hillary). Not all assault, but very shabby treatment as SOP.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (NOIQH)

100 Let's try again:
"Why in the hell is Charles Manson in prison? He didn't kill anyone"

Wow. Drama Queen much?

What's that law about first one to mention Hilter loses?

You've surpassed that. So Trump is like Charles Manson?

Good lord, the woman got a bruised arm being pushed out of the way at a crowded press conference.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (QDZmu)

101 I'm done with Breibart and Gateway Pundit. My bookmarks are clearing out pretty quickly now. Deleted Drudge too after the Cruz has Jesus cooties headline today. It's been a long time coming. I think Andrew would be ashamed by what is happening at his namesake site. Right now, they are on both sides of the story.

Posted by: no good deed at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (GgxVX)

102 I got two tickets toi trump rally here in chgo. Wifey just informed me I hhave some kid duties. Anybody out there want em?? NO CHARGE!!!!

Posted by: BIG AL FREDO at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (iWo0u)

103 Well, I've watched the video and I don't see anyone flinging the Breitbart reporter to the ground.

Feels like a tempest in a teapot to me but then everything surrounding Trump gets blown up.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (q+YDg)

104 "Remarkable video. I'm pretty sure that was Bigfeet."
=======

Yes! Finally!

Posted by: Michael Medved at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (7Kbxu)

105 I just watched that three times, and I'm still not seeing it. If he did it, he should applogize and then let the cops sort it out.

Otherwise, why are we talking about this instead of Cruz dropping out of FL and OH? Its at the Resurgent, so a huge grain of salt when Erik (with a K) is involved.

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (kXzR8)

106 Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:20 PM (xsQZk)

So....shoving or even throwing a journalist out of the way is equivalent to being an accessory to murder? OKAAAAAY.... you don't get any more donuts

Posted by: Bigby's Futile Gesture at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (3ZtZW)

107 Obligatory disclaimer that I can't stand Trump, but this is as ridiculous as the David Duke and nazi stuff before it and at the current trajectory(shriek racist, then shriek war on women) it's obvious some sort of homophobia accusation is next. If the best Rs can do is ape the lefts attacks then they really are intellectually bankrupt.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (yos+4)

108 25
Pretty Thin Ace, pretty Thin. But haters going to hate.

It may show him reaching, but there's no evidence of any sort of
abrupt struggle or grabbing whatsoever. He slowly puts his arm out and
never makes any other motions with his body. And the Secret Service guy
is in between him and Fields.

The BS is strong

Posted by: zzBottom at March 11, 2016 04:12 PM (LxBcy)

No evidence??? They have pictures of the bruises on her arm; hand shaped bruises.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (t2KH5)

109 DirtyJobsGuy at 48: " You make these things go away by making a simple apology without accepting blame. Misunderstanding, accident etc. This is part of common courtesy that makes you look good to others..."

This, exactly this.

It doesn't matter what the goddamned video shows or doesn't show. What sort of dickhole would try to destroy this woman professionally, when they could have simply said "my bad" and this would be done?

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (LqrRo)

110 I was doing some research on this story and the reporter in question. She's got a nice rack for a petite girl.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (OD2ni)

111 So...why hasn't Lewandowski been fired?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (NOIQH)

112 73. (I can't believe no one has written that here. I don't know you people anymore.

Sigh

You're forgetting the classics:
But she wasn't holding my sammich
I was helping her get her shine box
Yeah, but is she hittable
And my favorite..
She wanted an answer
She would settle for a insult
She got bruises

Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (xsQZk)

113 But everyone was focused on Trump. I ca see why there isn't much video.
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If this video actually shows something and it's just my eyesight preventing me from seeing it, what ever happened, happened about a foot from Trump, so any camera following him would have it.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (ZbV+0)

114 So what happened to this version?

Breitbart:

Video Emerges to Suggest WaPo Reporter Ben Terris Misidentifies Lewandowski in Fields Incident

***

The only thing that video showed was the position of Lewandowski relative to another man of similar appearance, but did not show the incident itself. Well, at least not in the version I saw. Perhaps there is another.

My take of this newest video is that it isn't at all clear that it is Lewandowski's hand grabbing her, but it does show in the seconds prior he was making a beeline for her.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (8PbKi)

115 Gimme a break with this chick's woe-is-me sh*t.

Doing security like this for a *hot* politician can be harrowing. She should know better.

I know a guy who was in Giuliani's security detail. The Hasidic Jews in Brooklyn loved him and would want to swarm him, which could get dangerous. Once with someone who wouldn't quit, my guy dropped him with the sharpest low uppercut he could right into the balls.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 11, 2016 04:26 PM (r1fLd)

116 Do I know its shenanigans? No. Do I suspect it? Absolutely. Trump should throw a counter-suit at her based on that, pro forma.

Here are some things I consider warning signs:

Trump Campaign: "The accusation, which has only been made in the media and never addressed directly with the campaign"

So went public first, instead of privately seeking an apology.

Fields claimed to be groped by Allen West and beaten by NYPD. That's a very eventful life for a reporter.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:26 PM (uURQL)

117 I am not much of a fan of that show "The Office" but I seem to recall a character who had a fanatic devotion to Steve Carell.

It certainly seems feasible for some loyal minion of a politician to overreact and it also seems likely that the candidate would be reluctant to fire such a person since fanatic loyalty is not something you can hire from Manpower.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at March 11, 2016 04:26 PM (MpvuV)

118 How many virgins have to be exsanguinated to get a phantom demon to knock down a whore? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Trump rump lover at March 11, 2016 04:26 PM (yn6XZ)

119 64 I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing on that video. The one dude's arm is at an angle where it slows down, but I don't seen anyone thrown to the ground, or any of the folks behind Trump's entourage looking down at the ground as I expect they would if someone had just been thrown. There's one woman with a notepad close enough to have maybe been the one grabbed, but she's clearly still walking along at the end of the clip. And doesn't appear to react as far as I can see.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:19 PM (ZbV+0)

What I see is Lewandowski reaching for Fields then pulling back then reaching even further for her right as they pass out of the camera's field of view.

So you don't see contact between them or her stumbling. But the video is consistent with the story that she and the other witnessing reporter have told from the beginning.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 11, 2016 04:26 PM (pAlYe)

120
Not much reaction from the crowd.

Posted by: dDan at March 11, 2016 04:26 PM (hwYmz)

121 "It may show him reaching, but there's no evidence of any sort of abrupt struggle or grabbing whatsoever. He slowly puts his arm out and never makes any other motions with his body. And the Secret Service guy is in between him and Fields."

Sonny, it was my fault, I made Carlo do it.

Posted by: Connie Corleone at March 11, 2016 04:26 PM (OD2ni)

122 I don't get it. What am I missing?
Posted by: Kensington at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (7Kbxu)
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Imagination

Posted by: RioBravo at March 11, 2016 04:26 PM (NUqwG)

123 >>>95 What is seriously up with Drudge? Those Cruz and family videos he put up are just hacky.

The alliance is crumbling and we're find out just how superficial it's unity was in the first place.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (MCmqp)

124 Welp, I watched the video. What was I supposed to see? Cause I didn't see nuffin.

Ace, why are you becoming the MSM? It's really unbecoming.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (eXTZt)

125 But no, instead, let's tar her and try to ruin her career over this. Jesus, what a bunch of lunatics.
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I don't recall anyone having a problem ruining Brian Williams' career over a habit of making shit up.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (ZbV+0)

126 Like I said in the last thread, Nuremberg style rallies, complete with thugs.

This November the voters are gonna fire Donald Trump.

Posted by: On Your Left at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (csjq3)

127 She wanted an answer
She would settle for a insult
She got bruises

Story of the 2016 campaign...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (9krrF)

128 "But, as God is my witness, I don't see what other people are claiming to see in those videos! They're almost troll quality! In one, the camera's not focusing on the right area to be revealing, and in the other one, the camera seems to leap upward just before the critical moment!"

Exactly.

I think Ace even wrote a post about people seeing or hearing what they want to see in audio tapes because someone has already told them what to see or hear about a month ago.

Maybe he forgot.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (QDZmu)

129 "I saw nuttinggg"

Sgt. Schultz

Posted by: Norman at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (CYS6Q)

130
No evidence??? They have pictures of the bruises on her arm; hand shaped bruises.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (t2KH5)

Which is evidence that she is bruised. Not evidence that a specific person bruised her.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (uURQL)

131 "If he didn't do anything, why the hell would he apologize?"

To put the whole thing to rest, and then it would be a nothing-burger. I apologize all the time, even if I think I didn't do anything wrong. Don't you? Have you ever dealt with a customer?

But no, instead, let's tar her and try to ruin her career over this. Jesus, what a bunch of lunatics.
Posted by: Pastafarian

Agreed. Because apologizing for something I didn't do has worked so well for me.

Posted by: Gov Rick 'kick me' Snyder (R-MI) at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (326rv)

132 OT but Trump related.

You have to admit, he knows how to live rent free in their head.

https://twitter.com/MaryaFletcher/status/708388090671452162/photo/1

Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (hvf9s)

133 Well, I'm sure as hell no fan of Herr Trump, but unless I'm missing something, that video isn't very conclusive. (If only it had continued following them for a few more seconds...)

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (wtvvX)

134 The Lib media won't report on this until Trump secures the nomination.

Posted by: The Predictin' Hat at March 11, 2016 04:28 PM (vBeA5)

135 Big deal. I get jostled worse than that trying to get to the crapper at Wally World.

The nancyfication of Amerika continues.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 11, 2016 04:28 PM (ej1L0)

136 Because something must, and this is something, therefore this must take down Trump.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let Them Know Where You Stand with the Outrage Outlet Flare Gun! at March 11, 2016 04:22 PM (hLRSq)

lel...

Posted by: cajun caret at March 11, 2016 04:28 PM (QfUjv)

137 Before you go out onto the blogs I want you to remember all of the loved ones that are counting on you. There are horrors beyond describing that will be inflicted on them if you lose. So spare no effort, give it everything you have. I want you to incite, insult, jeer, smear, catcall, name call, cattle call, give it all!

The fate of the Republic, the solar system, the galaxy Life Itself rides with you! Now man your keyboards and Godspeed!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let Them Know Where You Stand with the Outrage Outlet Flare Gun! at March 11, 2016 04:28 PM (hLRSq)

138 111
So...why hasn't Lewandowski been fired?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2016 04:25 PM (NOIQH)
----Fired?! I'm promoting him! -- D Trump

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 11, 2016 04:28 PM (l0lja)

139 I am soooo far over the media shiny object fascination I cant even see it in the rear view. Ace, can you really not see how pathetic this all is ? Truly ? Someone **may** have grabbed someone's arm. that is what passes for news in a presidential election ? and sorry, I'm still in the CALLING BS camp. she is pressing charges for grabbing her arm when she was trying to apparently muscle past a security detail to get to a guy running for president ? I dont give a shit about some internet nitwit's terminal case of butt hurt. and when they throw the case out because lets face it its fucking garbage, you'll still stick to your position cause now you're invested in it. this is seriously pathetic, and its endemic of all the conservative inc sites.

Posted by: johnny at March 11, 2016 04:28 PM (9Utm9)

140 "Also good at locking them in closets (Biden), wrangling them inside a
rope (Hillary) and following them into the bathroom at political events
to ensure they're not reporting on the sly (Hillary)."

Also, Hillary's handlers insist that all of the press retinue board the press bus, be head-counted, and the bus driven away, before Her Nibs gets on board her cushy private jet. They don't like the optics of that and don't want her being photographed doing it.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 11, 2016 04:28 PM (noWW6)

141
He grabbed her BACK, and to the left!
BACK, and to the left!
Posted by: Kevin Costner in JFK

And that's what it's all about.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at March 11, 2016 04:28 PM (FkBIv)

142 Don't think this will take down Trump. Don't want it to take down Trump. Willing to wait and see with this (though in honesty it doesn't look good for Corey) but the desperate spin on this on the pro-Trump folks on the internet and the Trump camp itself is unbelievable.

The level of personal attacks on Fields by Trump's surrogates on the internet and the Trump camp itself is unbelievable.

The ugly mocking and laughing and "If it happened, the b@tch deserved it" on the internet is unbelievable.

That is a lot of smoke for what many are saying is no fire. Forgive me for finding that VERY interesting. Will wait and watch and see.

Posted by: goodgolly at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (k8xvx)

143 >>>26 wow!!! I've never seen such a throwing-down like that video
shows. What a brute!!! To the stocks with him. Well, actually, I still have never seen such a throwing-down. What
am I missing? Oh, yeah, the throwing-down. Where be's it?
Posted by: Norman at March 11, 2016 04:12 PM (CYS6Q)>>>

If a midget doesn't batter a woman by violently yanking her all the way to the ground, it doesn't merit your concern? Interesting premise and moral perspective.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (4ueYo)

144 We're so very very boned.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (evdj2)

145 From the still photos in the Breitbart article it looks like the security guy was the closest and most likely to have grabbed her to push her out of the way.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (QDZmu)

146 There are four lights!

Posted by: Jean Luc Prichard at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (yn6XZ)

147 Meanwhile a protester at a Rubio event got blasted by bodyguards too. Its getting rough out there.

***

The video I saw wasn't of bodyguards, but of another attendee roughly forcing a protester back into his seat prior to the guards stepping in.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (8PbKi)

148 106. OKAAAAAY.... you don't get any more donuts

Whoa!!! It wasn't that over the top
I need an outside ruling as per the official AoS rule book pg2 chapter4

AtC I need you!!! (I've been here for over 10 years and that's a sentence I thought I would never be uttered)

Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (xsQZk)

149 Gotta be "tough." Gotta be so boorish and ugly that your very allies tear themselves apart in response to your thuggishness.

Darn tootin'!

Posted by: BLM Sanders, Jeb hecklers at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (3EerS)

150 122 I don't get it. What am I missing?
Posted by: Kensington at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (7Kbxu)
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Imagination
Posted by: RioBravo at March 11, 2016 04:26 PM (NUqwG)

Shrooms!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (iQIUe)

151 I am having a hard time feeling sorry for Brietbart Inc. after they shilled so hard for Trump. But then again, maybe this is the wake up call they need to show the Trumpeteers for what they are...bullies.

Posted by: deusexmachina05 at March 11, 2016 04:30 PM (jDcTk)

152 No evidence??? They have pictures of the bruises on her arm; hand shaped bruises.

Bruises or red marks? Bruises don't show up that fast.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2016 04:30 PM (/aFKY)

153 Breitbart has an article surveying the latest evidence and video.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/11/trump-presser-ben-terris-misidentified/

Saw that earlier. They've updated that article with new C-Span video of Lewandowski reaching for Fields.

Posted by: Joanne at March 11, 2016 04:30 PM (hgBpU)

154 Trump supporters,

This is not difficult. Just say "Corey should apologize."

Its the endless doubling down on the henchman to Trump that makes this so funny.

Posted by: Harun at March 11, 2016 04:30 PM (UBBWX)

155 Ace, I love ya, but I have to say, you are hyperventilating like an hysterical girl that bruises too easily.

Posted by: tommylotto at March 11, 2016 04:30 PM (A3a8d)

156 Pardon me.
I am experiencing severe hemmorhoidal irritation over Cruz' failed campaign emotional distress over Trump's winning campaign.
is this the Butthurt o' Spades Hotline forum?

Posted by: Cruzkateer #309188 at March 11, 2016 04:20 PM (WpQLj)

^^ From prior thread.

Trump supporter showing himself in such a rational, adult fashion/sarc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 11, 2016 04:31 PM (w4NZ8)

157 Ace, why are you becoming the MSM? It's really unbecoming.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 11, 2016 04:27 PM (eXTZt)

Unlike most of his fans, Ace gets it.

Posted by: On Your Left at March 11, 2016 04:31 PM (csjq3)

158 han·dler 1. One that handles or directs something or someone:

Posted by: DaveA at March 11, 2016 04:31 PM (DL2i+)

159 The Lib media is probably sitting on the HD angle showing it clear as day...

Thankfully the Trumps can say that she didn't have to see a doctor over it next...

Posted by: H Badger at March 11, 2016 04:31 PM (n/0Nw)

160 It's just a grab on the left

And then a step to the riiii-yi-yi-yi-ight!

Posted by: Insomniac at March 11, 2016 04:31 PM (0mRoj)

161 Wow Ace, you're way behind on this. On Breitbart's site they themselves have indicated that Lewandowski was no where near this woman.

You're really getting all SJW-y these days.

Sad.

Posted by: Missbosslady at March 11, 2016 04:31 PM (QOnyI)

162 Doing security like this for a *hot* politician can be harrowing.

Exactly, the problem is that politicians have so much power over our lives they're treated like gods who can't be approached, the answer is to take that power away, not shriek war on women.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at March 11, 2016 04:31 PM (yos+4)

163 No evidence??? They have pictures of the bruises on her arm; hand shaped bruises.
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I seem to recall photos of some chick who was held down and had some candidate's intial carved in her forehead that were proof of something carved into her forehead, but as it turned out, not who did it.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:31 PM (ZbV+0)

164 That's enough. I'm sick of the Cult of Trump.

#Never Trump, Ohio Chapter

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 11, 2016 04:32 PM (OQ9R7)

165 Speaking of tapes..was that Corey Lewandowski speaking in tongues about the annointed one?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 04:32 PM (WnCSK)

166 With all the shit going on in the world this is what you want to talk about? Really? Wow. All this to try and take out Trump - kneecap him - whatever. The previous post on Pagliano shows how serious this shit is, while Iran gets nukes and ISIS is looking for chemical weapons. But we are supposed to get exercised over this nothingburger.

Let me tell you, supposed Trump drops dead tomorrow from too many Trump steaks and Cruz gets the nom. What will you all do when a reporter gets "roughed up" (oh the humanity) at one of his events and the MSM goes apeshit like this. Gotta believe her and the "witnesses" right? There will even be frame by frame video proof.

Idiots!

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 11, 2016 04:32 PM (m40v5)

167 How does this take down Trump?

Posted by: cajun caret at March 11, 2016 04:20 PM (QfUjv)

didn't say it would, only that could if it plays out like we are being told it happened.That's the first clue to reserve judgement for me, when I'm being told that it's so clear, when I can't see it looking at the same evidence.
If your goal is to get famous by being bit by your neighbors dog, you have to be willing to put yourself in the yard.

Posted by: IP at March 11, 2016 04:32 PM (aQQbl)

168 >>>Trump supporter showing himself in such a rational, adult fashion/sarc.

Don't fret. They're in for a world full of discovery and wonder when Trump wins the nomination.

I can't wait for them to meet their Alt-Right allies this summer.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 11, 2016 04:32 PM (MCmqp)

169 If you want to make an omelet you're going to have to break some eggs. So what if they're still in some MFM wench's uterus.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at March 11, 2016 04:32 PM (Ixuea)

170 To put the whole thing to rest, and then it would be a nothing-burger.

Public apologies are a call for media destruction.

Tim Hunt apologizes 6/10/2015
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33077107

5 days later, on 6/15/2015
"Nobel laureate sees science education career collapse in wake of sexist comments"
https://tinyurl.com/z2ve79s

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:32 PM (uURQL)

171 I'm completely open to the idea this guy crossed the line, but the idea that his video proves anything is absurd.

If this is the incident in question, it certainly doesn't look like someone was thrown down to the ground unless this guy is some jujitsu master that's able to perform a takedown with a slight turn of his head.

Posted by: Belvita at March 11, 2016 04:33 PM (W1GMT)

172 The video doesn't show much at all, even with the Daily Beast's slow-mo highlight zoom in thingy. They claim it's "definitive" which seems like a hard oversell to me.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 11, 2016 04:33 PM (0mRoj)

173 Any nekkedness in this video?

Posted by: Weasel at March 11, 2016 04:33 PM (e3bId)

174 I prefer Cruz but I see nothing here.

Posted by: eleven at March 11, 2016 04:33 PM (qUNWi)

175 Dollars to donuts it was the security guy who did it when she stepped between Donald and himself. You can see on this video the guards were trying to keep a clean cordon around the Trump.

https://www.facebook.com/WPTV5/videos/10154024194123384/

Posted by: FarkinClownshoes at March 11, 2016 04:33 PM (NiVLO)

176 "Fields claimed to be groped by Allen West and beaten by NYPD. That's a very eventful life for a reporter.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely"

Friend, have I got some stories for you.

Posted by: Brian Williams at March 11, 2016 04:33 PM (OD2ni)

177 i really don't give a fuck. politics sucks. we are all going to get hosed either way. paul ryan can suck on a bag of dicks. worse than boner. who needs these pricks? time to close d.c. for good. does not matter who the president is, look at the house and senate. what a pathetic collection of crooks and liars. i'm done.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 11, 2016 04:33 PM (ucDmr)

178 Can somebody manhandle me so I can get some traction?

Posted by: Ted Cruz at March 11, 2016 04:33 PM (3dOE/)

179

Bottom line.

There are a million reason not to like Trump and to go after him on.

THIS in not one of them.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 11, 2016 04:34 PM (8XRCm)

180 This November the voters are gonna fire Donald Trump.

===

For my initial purposes, this is fine. Better if he stomps Hilary of course.

Posted by: Bigby's Futile Gesture at March 11, 2016 04:34 PM (3ZtZW)

181 @151

I think there may be an internal battle beginning over it too.

Breitbart's PR guy has resigned over this. From Twitchy he seems to be pro Fields and not happy with Trumps actions a late with press and rallies.

Posted by: H Badger at March 11, 2016 04:34 PM (n/0Nw)

182 Ya know who this helps?

Posted by: HH at March 11, 2016 04:34 PM (326rv)

183 We simply need to redefine what we consider Presidential behavior!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 11, 2016 04:34 PM (wYnyS)

184
Question:

If Corey Lewandowski actually did rough up the reporter, will it make one iota of difference to the Trump cadres?

That verges on rhetorical question territory.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 11, 2016 04:34 PM (p4UlV)

185 If you're a juror on the trial, do you convict the guy for assault?

Really? I don't even see any contact. I am not saying there wasn't any, but do you honestly see anything here, as a seated, sworn-in juror, that would lead you to convict this guy and send him to fucking jail or prison an assault charges?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 11, 2016 04:34 PM (CNKtx)

186 Exactly, the problem is that politicians have so much power over our lives they're treated like gods who can't be approached, the answer is to take that power away, not shriek war on women.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at March 11, 2016 04:31 PM (yos+4)

Who was that drunk from North Carolina?

The 'who are you.....who are you' guy

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 11, 2016 04:34 PM (mEZce)

187 Lighten up Francis. Don't paint yourself too far into that corner. Once Trump defeats "The Annointed One", you will have to vote for him or else help put Hitlery into the White House.

Posted by: Dogbert at March 11, 2016 04:34 PM (bNBl2)

188 Okay I've watched this several times now frame by frame. He reaches out and takes her arm as if she's getting too close , then he let's go. It's a completely smooth and non-aggressive move. There is no jerking, there is no obvious squeeze, there is no aggressiveness whatsoever. Michelle Fields walks away with her arm in the same position throughout the "contact" like nothing whatsoever happened.

Where is this epic Throwdown?

Posted by: zzBottom at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (LxBcy)

189 Why vote for Clinton-like when youcan have the real deal?

Clinton\Burning Times 2016

Posted by: Drill Thrawl at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (kUPRL)

190 Fuck it all!!!
I'm sick of the Washington elites!!!!
I'm voting for a celebrity billionaire!!
He's just like us!!!

Idiots

Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (xsQZk)

191 But I truly can barely even see it, and had I not known what is alleged to have happened, I wouldn't see it at all.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 11, 2016 04:17 PM (CNKtx)

I expected to see something. You can't see anything on the video and the crowd seems to keep flowing behind the cameras blocking everything. The Breitbart article says she might have misidentified who pushed her. Is this it?

Posted by: WOPR at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (LTDSy)

192 Posted by: fixerupper at March 11, 2016 04:34 PM (8XRCm)

Agreed

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (CNKtx)

193
Actually, in all fairness, if Lewandowski did it, it's a reflection on him and not Trump UNLESS Trump does not condemn him and fire him.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (p4UlV)

194 >>>You're really getting all SJW-y these days.

Sad.

Posted by: Missbosslady at March 11, 2016 04:31 PM (QOnyI)>>>

It's not SJW-y nor is it White Knighting to think that women shouldn't be battered. Sorry.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (4ueYo)

195 "The ugly mocking and laughing and "If it happened, the b@tch deserved it" on the internet is unbelievable."

So you're new to the internet? That is standard behavior on the internet during a passionate political season. It is rude, vicious, and practically unhinged and then you drop into the true nightmarish fever swamps like DU.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let Them Know Where You Stand with the Outrage Outlet Flare Gun! at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (hLRSq)

196 Brian Terris, the one who reported on congressman Aaron Shock's decorating habits ? that Brian Terris ?

Posted by: runner at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (c6/9Q)

197 I got two tickets toi trump rally here in chgo. Wifey just informed me I hhave some kid duties. Anybody out there want em?? NO CHARGE!!!!
Posted by: BIG AL FREDO at March 11, 2016 04:24 PM (iWo0u)

They can go to the Weiner's circle after and get a Trump footlong...3 inches, hah.

What is it with the left and Trump's thing? It's dumb he brought it up to begin with but their obsession about it is kind of bordering on creepy.

Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (hvf9s)

198 It doesn't matter what the particulars are.
The fact is that Trump rallies are having and will have incidents of this type.
Some of his supporters seem to dismiss the importance of this, which only encourages the nuts.
And of course, many of the incidents will be deliberately provoked.

The point is that this is what the media will be showing us and belaboring 24/7, fair or not.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (T/5A0)

199 >>>Breitbart's PR guy has resigned over this. From Twitchy he seems to be pro Fields and not happy with Trumps actions a late with press and rallies.

This to me is the more interesting angle of the story. Trump fans don't really care and have held every possible position on this story.

But Breitbart coming to terms with it's relentless Trump boosterism is intriguing.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (MCmqp)

200 Nevermind. Bob Etheridge

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (mEZce)

201 what does Matthew Boyles say? Did Lewandowski tell Boyles he grabbed her or not as reported?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (xzZPy)

202 "you will have to vote for him or else help put Hitlery into the White House."

Would that apply equally to Marco Rubio if he somehow ran the table and won the nomination?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (Ixuea)

203 They may have been a second grabber on a nearby grassy knoll.

Posted by: Weasel at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (e3bId)

204 Bruises or red marks? Bruises don't show up that fast.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2016 04:30 PM (/aFKY)

==========
Bruises. And they were already showing yellow around the edges.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (iQIUe)

205 JJ

Trump has already said nothing happened and she's making the whole thing up.

Posted by: H Badger at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (n/0Nw)

206 This is not difficult. Just say "Corey should apologize."

Corey should have made a private apology if and only if he was actually guilty of causing harm.

That is irrelevant to now, because now this is just a media circus and the politics of personal destruction. Public apology just encourages a feeding frenzy.

Girl makes a public accusation against a man - All must Listen and Believe, and the man must kneel and grovel for public forgiveness - which he will not get, because he Deserves to be Shunned and Shamed.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (uURQL)

207 Hey everybody.

I'm sorry but this is just plain funny and I just have to share it here even though someone probably already has done just that. Andrew Klavan from the Daily Wire, "I'm Angry!! So I'm Voting For Donald Trump!!"

http://tinyurl.com/zq832os

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (ntObR)

208 I guess all of the Trump fans are expecting Corey to have given her a Tombstone Piledriver? People getting pushed isn't always going to look like a choreographed Hollywood fight.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (4/i9Y)

209 Fucking loathsome Trumpsplanations. How hard would it be to say, "I think Lewandowski should apologize and/or be fired, but this has nothing to do with Trump." The dude admitted yesterday he did it because he thought she was mainstream media.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (sQQU0)

210 We have a call into Lewandowski. Wondering if he'd go 3 rounds with Janet Reno in our upcoming PPV.

Posted by: UFC201 at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (l0lja)

211 185 If you're a juror on the trial, do you convict the guy for assault?

If it was a cop who did it then it'd be all MILITARIZED THUG COPS!!!!!!11!!!

Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (xsQZk)

212 Dear current politico/media/navel gazing establishment. I'm voting for Trump because fuck all of you and everything you pretend to stand for. your faux outrage and your double and triple standards and your inability to get even the simplest quotes correct. Fuck you and your debt ceiling raises and your amnesty and your million jihadist refugees and your harvard lawyers and your nancy pants sensibilities. Fuck you and your pretend conservatism when it suits you. Fuck you and your unearned arrogance and condescension and complete lack of any real knowledge or understanding about anything. Fuck your little circle jerks of self important doofuses and mutual congratulation societies and fuck you all for linking the same exact crap on 11 different sites and thinking yourselves important. i hope none of you vote for trump because we dont need you anyway and you'e a bunch of miserable pricks besides. Peace out douchebags

Posted by: johnny at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (9Utm9)

213
"This is not difficult. Just say "Corey should apologize."

Its the endless doubling down on the henchman to Trump that makes this so funny."

He won't apologize because he has already said it wasn't him and nothing I've seen indicates that it was him.

So shes' suing. Good luck with that. So far all pictures and video tapes exonerate Corey Lewandowski.

She herself says she doesn't know who did it.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (QDZmu)

214 I just wish we would start referring to this incident as "The Big Lewandowski."

Oh, and soul patch guy - the Hot Air button still works.

Posted by: Cher/Randy Quaid 2016 at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (Ql/gh)

215 And if I were the dude's defense attorney, I'd also point out that the bruises looked old.

Mind you, my bruises stay bluish/purpley for a few days, and maybe that's a very individual thing.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (CNKtx)

216 200 Nevermind. Bob Etheridge
Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (mEZce)

Who ur yew? Who ur yew?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (0mRoj)

217 >>>142 Don't think this will take down Trump. Don't want it to take down Trump. Willing to wait and see with this (though in honesty it doesn't look good for Corey) but the desperate spin on this on the pro-Trump folks on the internet and the Trump camp itself is unbelievable.

The level of personal attacks on Fields by Trump's surrogates on the internet and the Trump camp itself is unbelievable.

The ugly mocking and laughing and "If it happened, the b@tch deserved it" on the internet is unbelievable.

Posted by: goodgolly at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (k8xvx)>>>

Agree 100%. All this dumb fuck had to do was say, "sorry if I accidentally hurt you while clearing the way for Mr. Trump. I certainly didn't intend to." Problem solved, and Breitbart can continue fellating Trump with impunity.

Instead, with each passing minute, Lewandowski looks worse and worse. Trump's supporters dismissing and trivializing the battery of a woman look worse and worse. And, unfortunately, Trump looks worse by association. Lewandowski is one dumb fuck.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (4ueYo)

218 Seriously, W T F? More time has been spent on this story than any real issues. I saw the video, and it indicates he moved in her direction, but so did five other people. It seems pretty melodramatic coming from folks who insist on having a video of a rape victim's incident in order to prove the victim wasn't giving consent.

Posted by: JohnsonBrat at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (wVjLk)

219 There was more evidence of the TEA party people spitting on the Congressional Black Caucus.

Posted by: ChocoCheese at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (OvUux)

220 I'm not going to see something that isn't there no matter how spittle flecks I get on me.

Posted by: eleven at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (qUNWi)

221 Bruises. And they were already showing yellow around the edges.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (iQIUe)

Right after he supposedly "grabbed" her. Or was the evidence shown days later?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (/aFKY)

222 The ugly mocking and laughing and "If it happened, the b@tch deserved it" on the internet is unbelievable.

====

This meme, BTW, is also blown way the fuck up. I haven't seen much of this at all - but then I'm not on twitter, facebook, whatever other shitholes you all waste your time in.

Posted by: Bigby's Futile Gesture at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (3ZtZW)

223 I'd stomp the bastard

http://tinyurl.com/jykd8lr

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (mEZce)

224 144 We're so very very boned.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 11, 2016 04:29 PM (evdj2)

It's nice to see somebody besides Ace understands.

Posted by: On Your Left at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (csjq3)

225 Everyone calm down. I got this.

Posted by: SMOD 2016 at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (l0lja)

226 So you don't see contact between them or her stumbling. But the
video is consistent with the story that she and the other witnessing
reporter have told from the beginning.
---
Consistent in the sense it demonstrates she was in the room. But little more than that.

I find it suspicious that this is being pushed as "proof" when it just happens to cut out before the incident we're supposed to be building in our imaginations as some ultimate outrage. Did they just stop filming at that instant? Because it seems like there'd be plenty of reaction caught of she's telling the truth and if the video were to go on say, another ten seconds.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:39 PM (ZbV+0)

227 Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (xsQZk)

Yeppers

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 11, 2016 04:39 PM (CNKtx)

228 This to me is the more interesting angle of the story. Trump fans don't really care and have held every possible position on this story.

I find this more interesting:
https://tinyurl.com/hlfreql

Breitbart reporter who wants to see video support of the allegations is suspended indefinitely for asking for evidential support.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:39 PM (uURQL)

229 All because some men have a backwards, primitive, shame-culture type conception of "honor"
...
This sentence annoys me. Makes me think I stumbled into a Salon.com wormhole.

Posted by: ajmojo at March 11, 2016 04:39 PM (1H9ox)

230 i hope none of you vote for trump because we dont need you anyway and you'e a bunch of miserable pricks besides. Peace out douchebags
Posted by: johnny at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (9Utm9)
*********************************************

No one cares. Mom left the Hot Pockets at the top of the stairs.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 11, 2016 04:39 PM (sQQU0)

231 " I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the fact that I am on the same wavelength as Ace about how Clintonian this became...

I better go home and start drinking.
Posted by: H Badger at March 11, 2016 04:06 PM (n/0Nw"

Yeah I'll buy.

Posted by: JEM1 at March 11, 2016 04:39 PM (ZoYwk)

232 I miss having the grown ups in charge , of the ship of state and what laughingly passes for the media .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (mP1RE)

233 I think one of the worst things about politics is that during an election, the fans of a candidate can hurt them more than their opponents.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (39g3+)

234 211 185 If you're a juror on the trial, do you convict the guy for assault?

If it was a cop who did it then it'd be all MILITARIZED THUG COPS!!!!!!11!!!
Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:37 PM (xsQZk)

If it was a cop, he would have gotten three of his buddies to tackle, beat and pepper spray her for several minutes while screaming "STOP RESISTING," then drive to her house and shoot her dog.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (0mRoj)

235 Here is a good mashup of various angles and the audio. It shows what really went down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Dd7wjzNsg

No longer can it be denied what happened, but whether it rises to the level of assault and battery. I think it does, but it does hinge on intent.

Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (jTy8z)

236 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:39 PM (uURQL)

Still demanding people apologize?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (xzZPy)

237 First Chumlee and now Corey

Something fishy going on.

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (mEZce)

238 And this is the campaign Carson is endorsing.

Posted by: SH at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (gmeXX)

239 I'm sorry to tell you this Ace, but Charles C. Johnson says she is full of shit, and his reporting is unimpeachable.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2016 04:41 PM (Zu3d9)

240 234 I think one of the worst things about politics is that during an election, the fans of a candidate can hurt them more than their opponents.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (39g3+)

If Your not a Democrat...

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 04:41 PM (/dSsq)

241 It's like, Trump can't get stopped, his supporters won't budge, so stuff keeps getting brought up to denigrate Trump if he doesn't do "something" and also to attack the sanity and "other-ize" Trump supporters.

So if you still support Trump, after all we've told you you are a mouth-breather. That didn't work? You're a LIV! No? Did you not hear about the KKK and David Duke? You don't care? Racist! Did you hear that his thug manhanded an innocent reporter-woman and grabbed her so hard she suffered bruises? Now are you going to admit to supporting Trump reflects so badly on you? No? What do we, who have decided Trump is everything that is bad... what do we have to accuse him of or you of to get you to change you mind??? Eleventy!

I get it. It's sad.

It makes it increasingly impossible, with all this baggage for folks to get along, to laugh, to support the candidate who emerges. It's as if, the SJW harpiness has invaded all spaces... and that I say this.... I'm racist, an excuses-maker and racist. That makes it impossible for me to say anything, which is the point. BB and this reporter thing is ruinous.

Posted by: Yip at March 11, 2016 04:41 PM (e7T6D)

242 how about what Should Have Happened:

oops - sorry. i don't know WHAT happened! are you OK?

(later) ... an abject, public apology.

end of story.

but then - that's what ADULTS would have done.

Posted by: Waldo Trout at March 11, 2016 04:41 PM (M1MpJ)

243 236: Jungle! How's Pam?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 11, 2016 04:41 PM (ucDmr)

244 M&P at 100: "What's that law about first one to mention Hilter loses? "

Nope. Godwin's Law says nothing about losing. I swear to Christ, of one more of you sons-of-bitches tries to invoke this hackneyed "law" one more time, without even understanding it, to short-circuit a discussion, I'll...I'll invoke Godwin's Law of Godwins: The first person in a thread to do this is a nubby-fingered half-man.

Congratulations, M&P -- your new name is Stubs.

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 11, 2016 04:41 PM (LqrRo)

245 But Ace, Cruz was seen going into several churches and actually believes in that Jesus crap. That is obviously way more disqualifying that Trump's staff and supporters acting like thugs toward women reporters and black protesters with his loud approval.

http://tinyurl.com/gmlvph9

Posted by: redbanzai at March 11, 2016 04:42 PM (OrI3J)

246 I am too fogged out to see what in the video.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 11, 2016 04:42 PM (16TRA)

247 Corey is innocent, the bruises came after I had rough sex with her. Also, Ted Cruz raped me at a rally, AMA.

Posted by: Potatoer at March 11, 2016 04:42 PM (8u5sK)

248 193

Actually, in all fairness . . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 11, 2016 04:35 PM (p4UlV)

You must be new here.

Posted by: rebel flounder at March 11, 2016 04:42 PM (3dOE/)

249 M&P at 100: "What's that law about first one to mention Hilter loses? "

Can You say Mussolini?

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 04:42 PM (/dSsq)

250 Heh
You know, I'd like to see that dude try grabbing on my crazy sister
You'd know who it was because he'd be the one with a sepe....
Holy lord!!! Someone didn't cover up in the litterbox
Whoa!!

Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:42 PM (xsQZk)

251 Everyone calm down. I got this.

Posted by: SMOD

Please. Soon.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:42 PM (39g3+)

252 >>What is it with the left and Trump's thing? It's dumb he brought it up
to begin with but their obsession about it is kind of bordering on
creepy.

Their like toddlers trapped in the genitals-obsessed developmental stage.
Just like they sent dildos to the Bundy/OR standoff people, and use dildos to protest guns. It's a symptom of their juvenile mental state.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2016 04:42 PM (NOIQH)

253 So we've got Trump being called Hitler, Nazi, Charles Manson but Trump supporters are called the irrational ones.

Too funny.

Really reaching for straws here. Drama queens.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:42 PM (QDZmu)

254 Ugh, "they're"

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2016 04:43 PM (NOIQH)

255 Kilgore Trout will be adding his expert analysis of the video shortly.

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at March 11, 2016 04:43 PM (TFWFz)

256 Any nekkedness in this video?

Posted by: Weasel at March 11, 2016 04:33 PM (e3bId)

There may be an elbow.
But it's a dude, so...

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:43 PM (ZbV+0)

257 Fields: "Holy sh*t."

"Holy shut"??

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 11, 2016 04:43 PM (zc3Db)

258 Damn sock.

Posted by: Chi at March 11, 2016 04:43 PM (Ql/gh)

259 First Chumlee and now Corey

Something fishy going on.
Posted by: RWC

They're after the "C's"!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2016 04:43 PM (/aFKY)

260 If SMOD doesn't act soon I'm making my move....

Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at March 11, 2016 04:44 PM (NOIQH)

261 240
And this is the campaign Carson is endorsing.
----

Carson will look at the roughing up of reporters as "creating future clients in need of expensive medical attention"

Posted by: Carson publicist at March 11, 2016 04:44 PM (l0lja)

262 Kilgore Trout will be adding his expert analysis of the video shortly.

Talk about a Nazi...... oops.... My bad?

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 04:44 PM (/dSsq)

263 "203
They may have been a second grabber on a nearby grassy knoll."

Maybe John Roberts can head a commission to investigate.

Or Elizabeth Warren. Then we can re-use the stationary.

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at March 11, 2016 04:44 PM (t3cNy)

264 234. it was a cop, he would have gotten three of his buddies to tackle, beat and pepper spray her for several minutes while screaming "STOP RESISTING," then drive to her house and shoot her dog.

We call that "using the minimum amount of force required"

Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:44 PM (xsQZk)

265 I was shocked, shocked to find that Chumlee is an irresponsible partying fool. Who could have seen that coming?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:44 PM (39g3+)

266 Maybe Campaign Manager Corey didn't do it. Are they sure it wasn't the secret service guy who was supposedly in between them. People shouldn't let their biases run away with them.

I'll need to see it play out.

Til then Trump 2016. Because I want the nominee to win the general. I've always like Cruz but he's these days he's coming across to me as a bit of a weasel. He's a lawyer which may be most of it. Biases again I guess.

By the way, I think Michele Fields is one of the best reporters out there, but I like her biases, (perspective?) myself.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 11, 2016 04:44 PM (QdAXQ)

267 If SMOD doesn't act soon I'm making my move....
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at March 11, 2016 04:44 PM (NOIQH)
*********************************************

DRAFT CALDERA

Posted by: fightwinger at March 11, 2016 04:44 PM (sQQU0)

268 Still no throw down.

Posted by: ejo at March 11, 2016 04:45 PM (il4FI)

269 @ Maet:

Last thread you posted a summary of the facts so far. Did you see my comment?

- video of Lewandowski reaching for Fields at the moment that she reported that she was grabbed.
- audio of people talking about the incident right after it occurred
- another reporter (Terris) who witnessed the incident and says it was Lewandowski who grabbed her
- Breitbart's Matthew Boyle says that Lewandowski admitted to him that he grabbed her

------------------------------------
Are you up to date, Maet?

Breitbart: "New video of Donald Trump's press conference Tuesday evening shows that the Washington Post's account of an altercation involving Breitbart News reporter Michelle Fields could not possibly have happened as Ben Terris reported."

Matthew Boyle denies making that statement.
https://tinyurl.com/hlp8rhq

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:45 PM (uURQL)

270 Tred of pretty peple with the soap opera shit.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 11, 2016 04:45 PM (16TRA)

271 Honest question

Is there any truth to the rumor that this same woman accused Allen West of groping her?

Posted by: Belvita at March 11, 2016 04:45 PM (W1GMT)

272 As I strolled past the breakroom at the office today I glanced at the TV (which I generally turn to the Weather Channel) the CNN chryon was something like "Increasing Incidents of Violence at Trump Rallies". The sound was off so I couldn't hear the four talking heads. So that's pretty much what everyone who's stuck watching CNN learned today.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at March 11, 2016 04:46 PM (Ixuea)

273 Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:44 PM (xsQZk)

Q: How many cops does it take to beat a suspect?

A: none . He fell.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 11, 2016 04:46 PM (xzZPy)

274 Is there any truth to the rumor that this same woman accused Allen West of groping her?
Posted by: Belvita at March 11, 2016 04:45 PM (W1GMT)

----

Yes.

She also claimed she got beat up by NYCPD whilest covering OWS.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 11, 2016 04:46 PM (8XRCm)

275 Still no throw down.
Posted by: ejo at March 11, 2016 04:45 PM (il4FI)
-------
You have to go to the audio. It's the fifth crackle!

Posted by: RioBravo at March 11, 2016 04:46 PM (NUqwG)

276 gym,

Oh, so she's a battered woman? That's stretching it a bit. I too, a woman of small stature have been in many large, jostling crowds, however I did not seek to make myself a national news story over it, nor did I press charges.

There are a dozen videos of this scene and not one single one shows a battery. The whole incident is ridiculous and this woman seems to be looking for attention.

Did she get bumped and jostled, likely as it was very crowded. Could she have left it at that like everybody else that got bumped around, most definitely. But she didn't, she instead decided to make herself a news story.

Posted by: Missbosslady at March 11, 2016 04:47 PM (QOnyI)

277 "This meme, BTW, is also blown way the fuck up. I haven't seen much of this at all - but then I'm not on twitter, facebook, whatever other shitholes you all waste your time in.

Posted by: Bigby's Futile Gesture at March 11, 2016 04:38 PM (3ZtZW) "

It happened here, so I can only imagine how much worse it is in the vast wasteland of social media.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 04:47 PM (4/i9Y)

278 She also claimed she got beat up by NYCPD whilest covering OWS.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 11, 2016 04:46 PM (8XRCm)
-------
Slow learner.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 11, 2016 04:47 PM (NUqwG)

279 Ouch! Yet another example/reason to never allow cis-nomative women into the political viper-pit, let alone onto an actual Battle-Field of death and Victory!

Posted by: MoJo-Tee at March 11, 2016 04:47 PM (aR8Ih)

280 What's wrong with asking for proof of the assault before you demonize someone? Never known a woman to lie about that? Then you don't get around.

Sure, there are Trump supporters that will read this with their eyes closed, but we live in a society where OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS get 24 hour coverage for, ah, 24 hours, then fade just as the actual facts come in. There is WAY too much incentive to arm flail for attention in the first 24 hours, especially if you can do serious damage to a publci figure that way.

So I, too, would deny my ass off, especially if I wasn't the person who actually did the deed, or I didn't see it.

If you claim you were assaulted in a press corps gathering with hundreds of cameras and mics present, then file criminal charges. If you have a civil claim, YOU have to evidence gather. If its criminal, the cops have to. Talk to me once you have it.

If it happened and is proven, then Trump should make amends (which is both moral and politically smart). Or his man who did it. Keep in mind, "assault" can be a little as a "shove", so keep your hands at your sides and hands in pockets at all times in crowds.

I'm way past tired of litigating this shit in the press. Both sides need to put up or shut up, and the party with the burden of proof (the victim) needs to go first. Otherwise, its just SJW/White Knighting/college witch hunts, and then looking stupid afterward if its turns out the victims a schemer (see Clock Boy, Mattress Girl, Gentle Giant, Zimmerman, etc.).

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at March 11, 2016 04:48 PM (i6shs)

281 Wow Ace, you're way behind on this. On Breitbart's site they themselves have indicated that Lewandowski was no where near this woman.

You're really getting all SJW-y these days.

Sad

***

that is not at all what was reported. There was a video that showed them walking, prior to the incident, that showed Lewandowski to the left of a man of similar appearance. All it did was raise questions as to whether it was Lewandowski, or the man of similar appearance, who had grabbed her.

The newest video to appear shows Lewandowski making a beeline for Fields just prior to the incident.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 11, 2016 04:48 PM (8PbKi)

282 Actually, it was the Greys. Aliens.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let Them Know Where You Stand with the Outrage Outlet Flare Gun! at March 11, 2016 04:48 PM (hLRSq)

283 Still no throw down.

Posted by: ejo at March 11, 2016 04:45 PM (il4FI)

The fact that the ref awarded Lewandonoskiski 2 points is good circumstantial evidence.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 11, 2016 04:48 PM (zc3Db)

284 They may have been a second grabber on a nearby grassy knoll.

Posted by: Weasel at March 11, 2016 04:36 PM (e3bId)

Witnesses saw a man with a bad haircut leaving the scene immediately after the incident. Investigators are now openly referring to the Magic Mullet Theory.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 11, 2016 04:48 PM (8ZskC)

285 I would love to gather some politic-trail reporters... with years experience, at a bar and have them relate their knuckle-scrapes with operatives and security details. I guarantee that photogs and producers and reporters would say this sort of thing happens all the time and worse.

I'm not excusing battering women for fun or coercion, but that stuff like this happens and it's usually not personal, just what it is. The part that smells is, who this reporter is, her boyfriend and social media being used to immediately get this "gotcha" out there... and then BB gets all H.R. about it and off we go.

Then lines drawn, it's about blind supporters vs earnest critics and if you say this then you're dead to me, etc. Round the bend over a grabbed arm and this is exactly how we immolate ourselves .... as if we were on the lawn at a University yelling at one another.

Posted by: Yip at March 11, 2016 04:48 PM (e7T6D)

286 Donald Trump...fundamentally transforming The United States of America!
Woot! Pushin' girls and punchin' coons! WOOT!

Posted by: Mimzey at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (aRUb8)

287 240 And this is the campaign Carson is endorsing.
Posted by: SH at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (gmeXX)

Keep digging your hole deeper.

At least you had a chance with Rubio.

Posted by: On Your Left at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (csjq3)

288 You know how Beck just gets shriller and loonier and starts wigging out with dark apocalyptic forebodings of DOOM if you don't buy his gold or pray for teddy bears or fast for candidates and etc?

Yeah. Not just Beck.

Posted by: Bigby's Futile Gesture at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (3ZtZW)

289 What do we, who have decided Trump is everything that is bad... what do we have to accuse him of or you of to get you to change you mind??? Eleventy!

Posted by: Yip at March 11, 2016 04:41 PM (e7T6D)

It's not working, in some cases it's actually helping Trump, and that is a major draw to his appeal.

As for the apology demands- go fuck yourselves, seriously! Conservatives have learned nothing from all the molehills and hoaxes, and want to fall over apologizing before they even know what happened. While their enemies skate on actual crimes. That too is a major reason Trump is doing well.

Posted by: trev006 at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (MEHba)

290 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:45 PM (uURQL)

Are you saying that's not Lewwandoski in the video?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (xzZPy)

291 @242 It's like, Trump can't get stopped, his supporters won't budge, so stuff keeps getting brought up to denigrate Trump if he doesn't do "something" and also to attack the sanity and "other-ize" Trump supporters.
*****

Same shit going on with Hillary's supporters, so we've got 60-70% of the electorate (or at least those being polled) saying all that stuff you and I think is bad doesn't matter, just noise.

Someone explain to me again why this democracy thing, as it relates to nominating for POTUS, is good.

Posted by: Steve Walsh at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (SPxQP)

292
Trump rally in St. Louis thismorning got messy. For one, downtown. For two, venue holds 3,100 and most of people in line (Gateway Pundit has the line as a mile long) didn't have tickets. GP also reports 24 arrests.
Now, I just got an email that when I am working the Cruz rally tomorrow, in the unlikely event I should encounter a situation I am uncomfortable with...
The FTP crowd better not show up at my old high school in the burbs!!!

Posted by: Justamom at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (sVnbw)

293 Cultural power IS political power. And you are abandoning the culture you once stood for in a desperate attempt to preserve your political power. You are on the path to losing both.
Have a tremendous weekend, all of you.
Posted by: Phone of kari at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (5Me4G)

+1....you are absolutely correct. Nice summation.

Have a nice weekend too!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (ej1L0)

294 I guess all of the Trump fans are expecting Corey to have given her a
Tombstone Piledriver? People getting pushed isn't always going to look
like a choreographed Hollywood fight.
---
Gee I can't imagine why anyone is looking for her to be shown in the video being throw to the ground.

---
Terris: "You OK?"

Fields: "Holy sh*t."

Terris: "Yea he just threw you down."
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(from the post. The gray highlighted part)

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (ZbV+0)

295 275. She also claimed NYCPD used the minimum amount of force required on her as she resisted whilest covering OWS

Fify
It really is that simple

Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (xsQZk)

296 This short fingered thing is funny .
Trump appears to have opposable thumbs and seems to walk upright most of the time . I'm gonna ' go ahead and state for the record he's definitely homo sapiens and therefore is qualified to be president .
Outside of that , I got nothing .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (mP1RE)

297 Imagine a Clinton flunky doing this to someone. How
fine are you with it then? Consistency is a good thing. Maybe it
didn't happen. Maybe it did. But while I don't much care for reporters
and they can be jerks, ya don't do that, especially to the ladies.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:13 PM (39g3+)

There is video, audio and at least one witness.... I don't believe there is any credible claim for maybe it didn't happen. Moreover, thuggish assaults at Trump rallies, sometimes even encouraged by Trump, are occurring with alarming frequency. This is not cool and it is not how civilized people act.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (OrI3J)

298 Trump should cherry pick His "crowds" like Hillary! and Bern do....

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 04:50 PM (/dSsq)

299 Still demanding people apologize?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (xzZPy)

People who ask for a false apology should apologize.

Is this a demand?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:50 PM (uURQL)

300 70 Hold up!!
The Trumpers say it's no big deal since it wasn't him personally

Now let's see if we can swing that logic:
The Trumpers say it's no big deal that there was classified material on Hillary's server since she didn't send it

Let's try again:
Why in the hell is Charles Manson in prison? He didn't kill anyone
Posted by: Navypopojojo

so you believe she was assaulted by NYPD too?

Posted by: Hitlery at March 11, 2016 04:50 PM (nFwvY)

301 i think this person needs some irish sunglasses.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 11, 2016 04:50 PM (ucDmr)

302 Everybody who thinks Corey did it raise your hands.

(Hands go up)

Look at the Nazi's!

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at March 11, 2016 04:50 PM (TFWFz)

303 Is there any truth to the rumor that this same woman accused Allen West of groping her?
Posted by: Belvita at March 11, 2016 04:45 PM (W1GMT)

----

Yes.

She also claimed she got beat up by NYCPD whilest covering OWS.
Posted by: fixerupper

Don't you think that should at least give some pause to this whole affair?

Look, at this point, I'm willing to see Trump's campaign manager fired just because it's not worth this dram for the campaign. The whole thing was badly mishandled.

But this is not an open and shut case where Trump is a woman beater and anyone that says "maybe there's more to this?" is also a closet brownshirt/woman abuser.

Posted by: Belvita at March 11, 2016 04:50 PM (W1GMT)

304 "Cultural power IS political power. And you are abandoning the culture you once stood for in a desperate attempt to preserve your political power. You are on the path to losing both.

Have a tremendous weekend, all of you.

Posted by: Phone of kari at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (5Me4G) "

Yeah, it's the Cruz fans who are selling our souls. Not the lifelong conservatives who are voting for the reality TV star in the hopes that he destroys the establishment and maybe, just maybe, a couple of our enemies on the left as well. Even you admit that you're just hoping that he eventually picks up some policy chops and starts acting like someone with the bearing to be POTUS.

I'm sticking to my principles and voting for the best, most conservative candidate left. You're voting for the destroyer and hoping he has a conservative bone in his body.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 04:51 PM (4/i9Y)

305 Gotta be "tough." Gotta be so boorish and ugly that your very allies tear themselves apart in response to your thuggishness.
****

it's going to get worse.

Example: we have Fox personalities, like Greta Van Susteren, telling Fields to "get over it."

Gotta be tough, you know.

I think Ace is only half right: we're not just close to the Trump fans going, "okay, yeah, it happened, so what", we're probably a day or so away (at BEST) from them going, "yeah, it happened, but only because she JUST WOULDN'T LISTEN!!! WHY DO YOU MAKE ME HURT YOU?!?! YOU TELL THEM YOU WALKED INTO A DOOR, YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!"

they can have the party. I don't care how furious you are with "the establishment." You're signing up for a movement that has become, at least in part, about battering women (then trying to intimidate or shame them into silence afterwards), and beating the shit out of black guys exercising their first amendment rights of speech (even if they ARE protesting).

You want to go down that dark path, you go ahead, but I refuse to.

Posted by: Vyce at March 11, 2016 04:51 PM (h4ZaE)

306 Terris: "Yea he just threw you down."
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(from the post. The gray highlighted part)

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (ZbV+0)

But Terris later said that "she slipped".

And whoever wrote the transcript ... "yeah" has an 'h'.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 11, 2016 04:51 PM (zc3Db)

307
Well....at least we know Trump isnt pro union.

The Democrats hire Union SEIU thugs to beat up their dissidents.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 11, 2016 04:51 PM (8XRCm)

308 Are you saying that's not Lewwandoski in the video?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (xzZPy)

No.

What's your English reading level?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:51 PM (uURQL)

309 I have not and will not watch the videos or look at photo's. It's the job of the police to sort out what actually happened. I'm patient and can trust that they'll do their job.

It's the job of the horde to mock the entire process.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 11, 2016 04:52 PM (l0lja)

310 You're voting for the destroyer and hoping he has a conservative bone in his body.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 04:51 PM (4/i9Y)

Incorrect. We're voting for the destroyer to destroy the GOPe.

Everything else is bonus.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:52 PM (uURQL)

311 I don't see it. Is it me? I've watched this vid on a couple of websites, and I can't see anything.

I'm sure I'm missing something because everybody says it's there. But I don't see it.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at March 11, 2016 04:52 PM (ureJ1)

312 Ya ok

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (16TRA)

313 301. so you believe she was assaulted by NYPD too?

Honestly?
I could give 2 shits less about either situation
Reporters who put themselves in situations to become the news are idiots

Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (xsQZk)

314 >>>Oh, so she's a battered woman? That's stretching it a bit. I too, a woman of small stature have been in many large, jostling crowds, however I did not seek to make myself a national news story over it, nor did I press charges.

Posted by: Missbosslady at March 11, 2016 04:47 PM (QOnyI)>>>

Yes. Go look up the definition of battery. And being grabbed and yanked hard enough to be bruised isn't being "jostled." If some midget had done this to my wife of daughter, my fist would have exploded into that pussy's face. Crowd or no crowd.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (4ueYo)

315 Not a Trump fan here, he's a malignant narcissist and a knuckle dragging moron, but I'm not seeing on the video what supposedly happened. It looks like he briefly blocked or grabbed her arm to keep her away from Trump. Where did he push her down?

Posted by: Motorhead at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (jqIh/)

316
It's tinkling!!!!!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (iQIUe)

317
I have to say again. As between political reporter and political campaign manager, I can not imagine two types of people I would have less faith in, all other things being equal.

A careful analysis of the visual evidence. He clearly grasps her arm.
He appears to let go of the arm fairly quickly.
The arm does not appear to be dragged or pulled excessively such that her momentum was changed or her arm pulled far from her body.
The bruises on her arm are consistent with fingertip bruising from a grab.
HOWEVER. From the video, his finger tips were on the inside of her forearm -- the bruises in the photos are on the outside of her forearm.
From the video, it is hard to see how the bruises in the photograph could have occurred. Unless she is hemophiliac or on blood thinners for some medical condition.
This seems dumb and awkward at worst from the video. I don't see it as being something that almost caused her to go to the ground. Did that happen elsewhere in another video? Is something missing?

Posted by: simplemind at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (JTwsP)

318 Incorrect. We're voting for the destroyer to destroy the GOPe.

Everything else is bonus

Hello President Hillary!

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (/dSsq)

319 Voice (allegedly Corey Lewandowski): "Excuse me, thank you."

Sounds like a complete apology to me.

Posted by: DaveA at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (DL2i+)

320 Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at March 11, 2016 04:40 PM (jTy8z)

Still same video and shows nothing different.

Posted by: WOPR at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (LTDSy)

321 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:50 PM (uURQ

So you're saying that is not Lewandoski in the video.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (xzZPy)

322 I'm glad my time here is limited. Its becoming a fkng loony bin. Good night, hope you all get some perspective. Back away from the PCs and get some sun, go for a walk, talk to somebody. You need it.

Posted by: Bigby's Futile Gesture at March 11, 2016 04:54 PM (3ZtZW)

323 This woman should find another job. She is going to get seriously injured if she doesn't. Well she is brave though. Having survived being groped by Allen West.

Getting the crap knocked out of her by the NYPD and now surviving a viscous by a Trumptroper.

Haven't you had enough?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 04:54 PM (WVsWD)

324 "If some midget had done this to my wife of daughter, my fist would have exploded into that pussy's face. Crowd or no crowd."

Thug....

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 04:54 PM (WnCSK)

325 "(from the post. The gray highlighted part)

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (ZbV+0) "

Yes, and you're expecting it to look like a clothesline for some reason?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 04:54 PM (4/i9Y)

326 Investigators are now openly referring to the Magic Mullet Theory.
Posted by: Cicero
-----------------

Hold it. Was there a grassy knoll close by?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 11, 2016 04:54 PM (9mTYi)

327 310. It's the job of the horde to mock the entire process

Mocking is our business ladies and business is good

Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:55 PM (xsQZk)

328 Look, at this point, I'm willing to see Trump's campaign manager fired just because it's not worth this dram for the campaign. The whole thing was badly mishandled.

Posted by: Belvita at March 11, 2016 04:50 PM (W1GMT)

I think standing up for your own people is necessary in anything, especially if they didn't do anything to merit being fired. Weathering drama is good, because any Republican candidate can expect to deal with all sorts of thugs trying to make a big deal at their rallies. It will only get worse in the general. Harden up.

I would like the Trump campaign to apologize, if something is shown to have happened, but I sure as hell don't trust reporters within the first few hours of a sensational report. If this is shown to be nonsense by an attention-seeker, then the next report of someone being hurt at a Trump assault will get less than a shrug from me.

Posted by: trev006 at March 11, 2016 04:55 PM (MEHba)

329 235
Here is a good mashup of various angles and the audio. It shows what really went down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Dd7wjzNsg
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If that's the original, than what little we saw in the video ace linked is all the contact there was time for, which this whole thing is vapor. The folks pushing it should be ashamed of themselves

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:56 PM (ZbV+0)

330 So you're saying that is not Lewandoski in the video.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (xzZPy)

Answer the question. Is "People asking for a false apology should apologize" a demand?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:56 PM (uURQL)

331 We're all kidding. Right?

Posted by: Dickie Betts fan at March 11, 2016 04:56 PM (aUQgu)

332 We're all kidding. Right?

So you would think.

Posted by: eleven at March 11, 2016 04:57 PM (qUNWi)

333 I can hardly wait until Trump gets arrested for inciting all of this violence.

Posted by: On Your Left at March 11, 2016 04:57 PM (csjq3)

334 Honestly?
I could give 2 shits less about either situation
Reporters who put themselves in situations to become the news are idiots
Posted by: Navypopojojo

lol. now it's nothing and 2 minutes ago it was Manson murders.

Posted by: Hitlery at March 11, 2016 04:58 PM (nFwvY)

335 "I'm glad my time here is limited. Its becoming a fkng loony bin. Good night, hope you all get some perspective. Back away from the PCs and get some sun, go for a walk, talk to somebody. You need it.

Posted by: Bigby's Futile Gesture at March 11, 2016 04:54 PM (3ZtZW) "

I got up, took a walk and talked to my neighbor. I sat back down, and formerly principled conservatives are still pimping for a megalomaniac reality TV star and excusing every single mistake he makes because his douchiness is a feature, not a bug. I guess some perspective didn't change anything after all.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 04:58 PM (4/i9Y)

336 Creating your own crisis, then making it worse and worse for you and all your allies. Because your ego cannot take the minor hit of putting out a printed apology

Great. We have our choice of Fascists to take the place of the current Fascist. That's assuming our ebony Mussolini steps down in the first place. The Future looks BRIGHT!!! Nuke blasts are pretty bright I hear.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 11, 2016 04:58 PM (xW87M)

337 @319

Or worse.

It's been said before and needs to be said again. If you destroy something, you'd better darn sure be able you have something solid in place to replace it. Nature abhors a vacuum, and there have been damned few cases where destroying the existing political order has led to something better. In a substantial number of cases, it's led to something much worse.

That's purism, now though. That's Edmund Burke and the Founding Fathers and the vast breadth of human experience, and to hell with that, we are tearing down our walls starting to build them all over again while the other enemy is actively in the field. Yes, that's wonderful! That's intelligent! That's the new wave of conservatism!

Posted by: goodgolly at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (k8xvx)

338 If that's the original, than what little we saw in the video ace linked is all the contact there was time for, which this whole thing is vapor. The folks pushing it should be ashamed of themselves
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 04:56 PM (ZbV+0)

Yeah, Breitbart's spokesman is resigning because this is all A Vast Establishment Conspiracy.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (sQQU0)

339 I miss Kay in Maine . She was so hot ,,, and crazy .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (mP1RE)

340
#318 "This seems dumb and awkward at work from the video. I don't see it as being something that almost caused her to go to the ground. Did that happen elsewhere in another video? Is something missing?"

Hopefully, there will be some conclusive evidence that substantiates Trump's manager being fired. But right now it seems more of a Witch Hunt and that facts don't matter at all. it's the "seriousness of the charge" that matters?

Posted by: zzBottom at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (LxBcy)

341 I can hardly wait until Trump gets arrested for inciting all of this violence.

I'm no fan of Trump but it seems to Me the "violence" is being incited by the protesters disrupting His rally's ..

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (/dSsq)

342 After eating lunch with a coworker who lived behind the Iron Curtain when there was a Soviet Union, I have a new theory to explain what is reported in the mainstream press and what is not.

My theory is that the newspapers understand that only old people still get their news from newspapers and that market is dieing off every day. However, in socialist countries, toilet paper is always in short supply or completely unavailable so people use pieces torn from newspaper.

The newspapers are trying to get Bernie Sanders elected so that when his socialist policies result in toilet paper shortages, newspaper subscriptions will increase, saving the jobs of a great many journalists.

Those stories about Hillary Clinton's email server you thought were leaked by the FBI? That was good old fashioned investigation by reporters who really can do that stuff when they want to.

This campaign to bring down Trump now that it looks like he has the Republican nomination sewed up? All part of the campaign to make Bernie Sanders President, turn America socialist, cause toilet paper shortages and sell newspapers.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (MpvuV)

343 Haven't you had enough?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 04:54 PM (WVsWD)

As a reporter, she must have gone through college, where 1 out of 3 women are raped.

She must continue being brave for the sake of women everywhere.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:00 PM (uURQL)

344 Posted by: Navypopojojo at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (xsQZk)

I think cops are mostly dog-killing, hyper-violent maniacs, but the NYPD showed way, way too much restraint during the OWS crap.

If had been the Police commissioner I would have formed a riot line of cops on one side and had 20 FDNY pumpers on the other, and announced that whoever gets to the middle first gets free beer for life

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2016 05:00 PM (Zu3d9)

345 >>>325 "If some midget had done this to my wife of daughter, my fist would have exploded into that pussy's face. Crowd or no crowd."

Thug....

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 04:54 PM (WnCSK)>>>

It's called defense of others, dipshit. Look it up.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 05:00 PM (4ueYo)

346 Yes.

She also claimed she got beat up by NYCPD whilest covering OWS.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 11, 2016 04:46 PM (8XRCm)

And Seth McFarlane hit on her at a gas station. She never wants to be part of the story tho.

Posted by: Potatoer at March 11, 2016 05:01 PM (8u5sK)

347 LOL at the people suggesting that Trump apologize for something that never happened.

Haven't you figured out "Never Apologize" by now?

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 11, 2016 05:01 PM (2kjDY)

348 Yeah, Breitbart's spokesman is resigning because this is all A Vast Establishment Conspiracy.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (sQQU0)

A Breitbart reporter was suspended indefinitely for asking for video evidence of the alleged manhandling.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:01 PM (uURQL)

349 "Answer the question. Is "People asking for a false apology should apologize" a demand?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:56 PM (uURQL) "

At the Trump Tower in Chicago, if someone staying for the weekend calls the front desk and says their room service meal was cold by the time it arrived, do you think they call for a full investigation, or just apologize and offer to send up a new, hot meal if one is requested?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:01 PM (4/i9Y)

350 so you believe she was assaulted by NYPD too?
Posted by: Hitlery at March 11, 2016 04:50 PM

Given that this is video evidence of that fact, yes I do believe it.

--
Still same video and shows nothing different.
Posted by: WOPR at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (LTDSy)

Did you actually watch that? its not the same video. It shows both the grab by Lewandoski and then another video showing Fields being jerked back.

BOOM.

Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at March 11, 2016 05:01 PM (jTy8z)

351 Too bad palinsteele isnt here. He/she/it would be having a troll extravaganza.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 05:01 PM (WVsWD)

352 289
You know how Beck just gets shriller and loonier and starts wigging out
with dark apocalyptic forebodings of DOOM if you don't buy his gold or
pray for teddy bears or fast for candidates and etc?

Yeah. Not just Beck.

Posted by: Bigby's Futile Gesture at March 11, 2016 04:49 PM (3ZtZW)

These strange ideations existing only in your mind. I suspect some childhood trauma that you may be blocking out, is preventing you from healing. There is quite likely molestation involved.

Posted by: Siggy Freud at March 11, 2016 05:02 PM (aRUb8)

353 "It's called defense of others, dipshit. Look it up."

Noon..you're supposed to report it first on Twitter like she did...dipshit.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 05:02 PM (WnCSK)

354 The time spent writing this piece could've been better spent explaining my winning path to victory.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at March 11, 2016 05:02 PM (WBahS)

355 I'm glad to see more arguments today that it didn't happen, rather than the argument that it's okay to rough up white women a little, as long as they're not hurt too bad, that seemed to dominate the commentary yesterday.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 05:02 PM (4ueYo)

356 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:00 PM (uURQL)

Angling for thread winner I see.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2016 05:02 PM (Zu3d9)

357 If Trump wins the Nomination I can't wait for the riots at the Convention....

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 05:03 PM (/dSsq)

358 "The time spent writing this piece could've been better spent explaining my winning path to victory."

Thread winner....

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 05:03 PM (WnCSK)

359 It looks to me like Fields has on two watches in the 3rd pic on Breitbart. Maybe if Lewandowski grabbed her arm on the watches, that's what bruised her?

Either way....I'm all outta sh!ts to give on these stupid stories and I'm not even a Trump fan.

Posted by: Tami at March 11, 2016 05:03 PM (v0/PR)

360 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:56 PM (uURQL)

I apologize for saying demand instead of requesting. See how easy that is. So are you still requesting people apologize for requesting an apology for Lewwandoski grabbing Fields?

Posted by: Joe Hallebeck at March 11, 2016 05:03 PM (xzZPy)

361 "Incorrect. We're voting for the destroyer to destroy the GOPe."

And then what happens?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at March 11, 2016 05:03 PM (Ixuea)

362 At the Trump Tower in Chicago, if someone staying for the weekend calls the front desk and says their room service meal was cold by the time it arrived, do you think they call for a full investigation, or just apologize and offer to send up a new, hot meal if one is requested?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:01 PM (4/i9Y)

Oh, so the Customer is Always Right?

As Trump's customer, I don't want him to apologize.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:03 PM (uURQL)

363 >>>Noon..you're supposed to report it first on Twitter like she did...

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 05:02 PM (WnCSK)>>>

Non sequitur.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 05:03 PM (4ueYo)

364 Nature abhors a vacuum, and there have been damned few cases where destroying the existing political order has led to something better.

Posted by: goodgolly at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (k8xvx)

Pretty sure the Loyalists were running this spiel for a while too. And things didn't work out well for them, so I kinda see your point. The question is: is today bad enough for principled conservatives? Is there a principled cure over the horizon?

If not, you'd better get one with the considerable power the "conservative" moment does have. Tick tock.

Posted by: trev006 at March 11, 2016 05:04 PM (MEHba)

365 In Canada we call this hurtbutt

Posted by: Ted Cruz at March 11, 2016 05:04 PM (WBahS)

366 A Breitbart reporter was suspended indefinitely for asking for video evidence of the alleged manhandling.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:01 PM (uURQL)

He deleted his tweets. Wonder why. Probably no reason.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 11, 2016 05:04 PM (sQQU0)

367 Yes, and you're expecting it to look like a clothesline for some reason?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 04:54 PM (4/i9Y)

I'm expecting someone who was thrown to the ground to actually have been on the ground. At some point.

Physics is funny that way.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 05:04 PM (ZbV+0)

368 Is there not one conservative organization or figure who has the courage of its convictions regarding Trump? Outside of the National Review?

At this point I'm going to just sit back and wait to hear from all the marks who suddenly NEVER supported Trump as he signs "common sense" gun control and builds that "big beautiful gate" while he forgets to build the rest of the wall...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 11, 2016 05:04 PM (IrMWZ)

369 Let us try a thought experiment.

Try to approach Obama in this same manner at a public event and let us see what happens.

Three, maybe five, Secret Service agents will gang tackle you, and you will be in front of a judge before the bystanders can get video uploaded to their favorite website.

But because, in your fevered hatred for the evil Nazi thug Trump, you believe that Trump is surrounded by Gestapo agents who will bash in your skull if you sneeze on The Donald.

You people are really sick and should seek treatment.

Posted by: Adelsun Whitely at March 11, 2016 05:04 PM (xoqcV)

370 I apologize for saying demand instead of requesting. See how easy that is. So are you still requesting people apologize for requesting an apology for Lewwandoski grabbing Fields?
Posted by: Joe Hallebeck at March 11, 2016 05:03 PM (xzZPy)

Do you not understand what a false apology is?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:04 PM (uURQL)

371

I'm no fan of Trump but it seems to Me the "violence" is being incited by the protesters disrupting His rally's ..

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (/dSsq)

Same here. And this latest Crime of the Century Eleventy! shows little more than despair, and desperation from the anti Trump crowd. They're flinging poo at the wall, hoping some of it will stick.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 11, 2016 05:04 PM (0IhFx)

372 329.

My guess is, guy probably got a bit pissed off and grabbed her arm harder than he should have as he had probably been seeing agitators all day. Sort of like your kid has been a brat all day and you yell louder than you should have when they straw breaks the camel's back.

The woman decided she wanted to make this much bigger deal and Hillary is happy to make it part of the narrative.

Sometimes people have to be thrown to the wolves, see Cruz Communications Director for an example.

But people are acting like Trump did this himself or ordered the guy to do it.

If Trump saw his campaign manager grab a female reporter and throw her to the ground, he would fire her. I can't even believe there's people that think otherwise.

I think Trump is an asshole, but this narrative that he supports beating up women is just stupid.

Posted by: Belvita at March 11, 2016 05:05 PM (W1GMT)

373 "Incorrect. We're voting for the destroyer to destroy the GOPe.

Everything else is bonus.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:52 PM (uURQL) "

Bravo. You're doing a great job. Losing one of the most winnable elections in history to a fucking felon is certainly going to kill the GOP for the near future. Sure, we'll have a criminal as President and a liberal SCOTUS for the next 30 years, but we totally showed Reince Priebus and Jeb Bush who the real boss is! Oh, Ted Cruz is also hated by the establishment? Fuck that guy, he likes the Bible.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:05 PM (4/i9Y)

374 Listen to the audio between her and Wapo Pajama Boy after the incident, whatever it was. The giggling and flirt talk make it hard to take this all that seriously.

Posted by: Keith at March 11, 2016 05:05 PM (nFB1w)

375 I miss Kay in Maine . She was so hot ,,, and crazy .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (mP1RE)

Compared to some of the shit around here recently? She may be one of the saner ones!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 11, 2016 05:05 PM (Zu3d9)

376 "At this point I'm going to just sit back and wait to hear from all the marks who suddenly NEVER supported Trump as he signs "common sense" gun control and builds that "big beautiful gate" while he forgets to build the rest of the wall..."

Psychic...

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 05:05 PM (WnCSK)

377 This is one thing the Hildebeast won't be able to use on him. That asshole could have told the reporter to put some ice on it and Billary would still have to keep her yap shut.

Trumpeteers aren't much different than Clintonistas. Attack Billary on anything and they react with red-faced rage, as if she could do no wrong.

Posted by: Hank at March 11, 2016 05:06 PM (xcTMW)

378 >>>254 So we've got Trump being called Hitler, Nazi, Charles Manson but Trump supporters are called the irrational ones.
Too funny.
Really reaching for straws here. Drama queens.

Yeah, people are silly with their unending histronics and hyped up fears.

Posted by: Spooky Megyn Kelly at March 11, 2016 05:06 PM (MCmqp)

379
If Trump wins the Nomination I can't wait for the riots at the Convention....
Posted by: donna

Black Lives Matter has stated that they plan to shut down the Republican convention.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 11, 2016 05:06 PM (FkBIv)

380 @Reactionary

Video has been posted showing it...now it does not appease Trumps, but it does show in fact that Lewandowski was involved in a confrontation with Fields.

The Breitbart reporter mouthing off last night about how little facts there were looks like a fool today along with the Trumps that have evolved from there is no evidence of nuthin yesterday to the eyewitness, audio and video, evidence isn't good enough.

Posted by: H Badger at March 11, 2016 05:06 PM (n/0Nw)

381 381
If Trump wins the Nomination I can't wait for the riots at the Convention....
Posted by: donna

Black Lives Matter has stated that they plan to shut down the Republican convention.

It's gonna be a total disaster I fear....

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 05:06 PM (/dSsq)

382 I think Trump is an asshole, but this narrative that he supports beating up women is just stupid.

Yeah, exactly. The women in his life, even his exes, all adore the guy. How bad can he be to them?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 05:06 PM (39g3+)

383 I'm expecting someone who was thrown to the ground to actually have been on the ground.
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In yesterday's terminology: "Yanks..almost to the ground"
So you would not actually see the person on the ground.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 11, 2016 05:06 PM (NUqwG)

384 Thread winner....
Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 05:03 PM (WnCSK)
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That was a thread winner like Corey Lewandowski battering a reporter is a media cycle winner.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 11, 2016 05:07 PM (sQQU0)

385 Who wants cookies?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 11, 2016 05:07 PM (8ZskC)

386 "Losing one of the most winnable elections in history "

With Ted Cruz?

Paging Dr. Freud...

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 05:07 PM (WnCSK)

387 announced that whoever gets to the middle first gets free beer for life

Not a fiscally conservative solution.

Posted by: DaveA at March 11, 2016 05:07 PM (DL2i+)

388 I think we are overdue for another Happiness Thread.

Posted by: bluebell at March 11, 2016 05:07 PM (2WwbN)

389 Losing one of the most winnable elections in history to a fucking felon is certainly going to kill the GOP for the near future.

We'll see.

GOPe's track record in the Bush years, and in 20010, 2012, 2014 also mean that not winning the election is no big deal.

Obamacare and PP get funded, the fed budget increases, military is sent to Islamic hellholes to get shot at and not shoot back, and the illegals continue invading America.

Oh, and society is turned upside down for the sake of the feelz of ~~gays~~ ~~trans~~ pedos.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:08 PM (uURQL)

390 MUMR posts are really the highlights anymore. wish they'd stay up

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 11, 2016 05:08 PM (TLX//)

391 Bravo. You're doing a great job. Losing one of the most winnable elections in history to a fucking felon is certainly going to kill the GOP for the near future. Sure, we'll have a criminal as President and a liberal SCOTUS for the next 30 years, but we totally showed Reince Priebus and Jeb Bush who the real boss is! Oh, Ted Cruz is also hated by the establishment? Fuck that guy, he likes the Bible.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:05 PM (4/i9Y)

Thanks for the summary of the last 9 months.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 11, 2016 05:08 PM (sQQU0)

392 MUMR posts are really the highlights anymore. wish they'd stay up

I was just gonna say that...

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 05:08 PM (/dSsq)

393 Heckuvalotta new nics in here propagandizing.

Posted by: db at March 11, 2016 05:08 PM (Ps2wy)

394 From that I can't tell if he even touched her. At the time she didn't know who did. The WaPo reporter is the only one who claims it was him, and I don't know where he is in that scrum to see if his vantage point really gave him a clear view. In light of her other claims, I would like some other witness testimony. Again, at the time she appeared to not know who grabbed her arm, as the person who did so was behind her

None of this would be a big deal if there weren't stories of journalists and protestors being roughed up at Trump events. A Time photographer got roughed up by Secret Service at a Trump event. At least two protestors have been man handled by the crowd at Trump events. In one of those cases the protestor was the aggressor

Nonetheless there is now a perception of thuggish crowd behavior at Trump events. Trump himself eggs the crowd on when protestors disrupt an event. From what I can tell it is done with humor.

Still. He is the front runner. He wants to be POTUS. Narratives are being set, and it is beyond stupid to let your campaign be cast in this light

Posted by: ThunderB at March 11, 2016 05:09 PM (zOTsN)

395 >>If Trump saw his campaign manager grab a female reporter and throw her to the ground, he would fire her. I can't even believe there's people that think otherwise.

Nah, I'd probably start the count.

Posted by: The Donald at March 11, 2016 05:09 PM (c7vUv)

396 Losing one of the most winnable elections in history to a fucking felon is certainly going to kill the GOP for the near future.

I'm not sure the GOP dying is such a bad thing although the Democrats need to go, too.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 05:09 PM (39g3+)

397 I'm no fan of Trump but it seems to Me the "violence" is being incited by the protesters disrupting His rally's ..

Posted by: donna at March 11, 2016 04:59 PM (/dSsq)

How so? What is it you're comparing? Just to get some insight into how you arrived at that conclusion, the basis seems to be when Trump says..."Just punch them....I'll pay your legal costs", THAT does not meet your standard of inciting, so it would seem like the protesters are doing more than that. Is this about right?What are some of these other words and actions by the protesters that exceed your standard?

Posted by: Siggy Freud at March 11, 2016 05:09 PM (aRUb8)

398 I think Trump is an asshole, but this narrative that he supports beating up women is just stupid.

Posted by: Belvita at March 11, 2016 05:05 PM (W1GMT)

Actually, you'd be surprised how much I agree with all of that post! The more people call Trump an establishment Nazi shortfingered womanbeater, though, the more it makes the media obviously toxic and ludicrous. Trump's much better at gutter politics than Hillary or Cruz: I think he'll be fine.

Posted by: trev006 at March 11, 2016 05:09 PM (MEHba)

399 MUMR posts are really the highlights anymore. wish they'd stay up
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 11, 2016 05:08 PM (TLX//)
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I agree. Although if three are still two or three of each repeated, that would get distracting.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (NUqwG)

400 Video nood.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (uURQL)

401 Cookies anyone? Would anyone like a cookie?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (8ZskC)

402 I'm no fan of Trump but it seems to Me the "violence" is being incited by the protesters disrupting His rally's ..

I wouldn't even call them protestors, because they're not protesting at all, they're just disrupting, if they wanted to protest they'd do so outside the rallies like protestors immemorial before them, but they infiltrate the rallies because they intend to disrupt and star shit. Honest people will point that out, dishonest people talk about Trump encouraging a climate of violence.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (yos+4)

403 Weren't there all these recent stories about incompetence within the SS?

I kind of remember something . .

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (TLX//)

404 "That was a thread winner like Corey Lewandowski battering a reporter is a media cycle winner."

I have no clue what you are saying.

The point was that to sit here and speculate is fruitless. The best thing she did was to file the criminal complaint. That means the police have taken over and can throughly investigate all the evidence and recommend arrest /prosecution if it is warranted.

You apparently already have the fuckin rope around the tree waiting for his neck.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (WnCSK)

405 Posted by: bluebell at March 11, 2016 05:07 PM (2WwbN)

Well, a good start might be in you haven't read it yet-read the sidebar article on the man who saved the penguin and it returning to visit him. It's very nice. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (w4NZ8)

406 Video has been posted showing it

H Badger at March 11, 2016 05:06 PM

Do you have a link?

Posted by: Adelsun Whitely at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (xoqcV)

407 "MUMR posts are really the highlights anymore. wish they'd stay up '

I offered Ace a C-Note to pull MUMR off the ban list.

He didn't bite.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (WVsWD)

408 "Oh, so the Customer is Always Right?

As Trump's customer, I don't want him to apologize.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:03 PM (uURQL) "

The customer is usually right, because you don't get much return business if you tell everybody that complains to go fuck themselves. The media is also Trump's customer, and quite a bit more important one than you. You're the guy stealing shrimp from the buffet and waiting for someone to leave a slot machine with one spin left on it, Breitbart reporters are the whale betting 10,000 a hand at blackjack and staying in the comped Presidential Suite. If you owned the casino, which customer's ass would you kiss?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (4/i9Y)

409 gm,

Yes, I know the definition of battery and I also know it when I see it. I didn't see any battery and neither did you. That is my point.

Good to know that you're unhinged enough to smash someone's face in if they bump into your wife. Perhaps you and Michelle Fields should stay away from large crowds.

Posted by: Missbosslady at March 11, 2016 05:11 PM (QOnyI)

410 What the heck is Dominionism Theology anyway?

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at March 11, 2016 05:11 PM (TFWFz)

411 Pretty sure the Loyalists were running this spiel for a while too. And things didn't work out well for them, so I kinda see your point. The question is: is today bad enough for principled conservatives? Is there a principled cure over the horizon?

If not, you'd better get one with the considerable power the "conservative" moment does have. Tick tock.

Posted by: trev006 at March 11, 2016 05:04 PM (MEHba)

You have it backwards, the Loyalists supported the Crown's attempts to change the existing order in the colonies.

Posted by: The Revolutionary Hat at March 11, 2016 05:11 PM (vBeA5)

412 #BlackLivesMatter is going to shut down the Republican convention?

Why?

Did Trump say he would deport them and only let the good ones back in?

Posted by: Hank at March 11, 2016 05:11 PM (xcTMW)

413 Yeah, Breitbart's spokesman is resigning because this is all A Vast Establishment Conspiracy.
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No, I suspect he's resigning because there's no shortage of not terribly bright men who will react emotionally to the suggestion of a woman being attacked regardless of whether there's any real evidence that it happened.

This is exactly what's being done on college campuses, but the folks who have the sense to wait for proof in those cases have completely forgotten their reason because this fanciful "incident" seems like something they can use against a political opponent.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 05:11 PM (ZbV+0)

414 Black Lives Matter has stated that they plan to shut down the Republican convention.

Something tells me the cops won't just stand by like in B'mpre or Fergadishu.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2016 05:11 PM (/aFKY)

415 A Time photographer got roughed up by Secret Service at a Trump event.
Posted by: ThunderB at March 11, 2016 05:09 PM (zOTsN)
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The solution is to elect Trump so he can reform the Secret Service! /

Posted by: RioBravo at March 11, 2016 05:11 PM (NUqwG)

416 Well, a good start might be in you haven't read it yet-read the sidebar article on the man who saved the penguin and it returning to visit him. It's very nice. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (w4NZ

Thank you, FS! Off to read it now. Penguins make me happy. This election cycle, not so much.

Posted by: bluebell at March 11, 2016 05:12 PM (2WwbN)

417 Try to ~~approach Obama in this same manner~~ wear an Obama clown mask at a public event and let us see what happens.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 11, 2016 05:13 PM (9mTYi)

418 One time at the Trump Casino, I had a beautiful, classy young broad come up to me and ask me if I would be willing to come up to her suite to bask with her in Trumpian pheromones.

I said, "Honey, if I come up to your suite, you're gonna be walking on all fours and barking like a rescue animal who just got bone of its own. Oh!"

Posted by: Fritz at March 11, 2016 05:13 PM (37OkS)

419 I have no clue what you are saying.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (WnCSK)
*********************************************

Let me be more direct. A smarmy jab at Ace is not a thread winner. Shouting "CRUZIN IS LOSIN" multiple times in a thread about your candidate's campaign manager assaulting a reporter is not a thread winner. It is weak spin at best.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 11, 2016 05:13 PM (sQQU0)

420 The media is also Trump's customer, and quite a bit more important one than you.

Hahahaha.

Trump's niche is the people who hate the media. And the Establishment. And Feel Goody Talk that covers over the shit sandwiches.

We're at less than 5% unemployment, haven't you heard? Booming. Economy.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:14 PM (uURQL)

421 It's not the crime, it's the coverup.

Donald hasn't learned that one basic principal of public life.

Posted by: WisRich at March 11, 2016 05:14 PM (hdpay)

422 At the Trump Tower in Chicago, if someone staying
for the weekend calls the front desk and says their room service meal
was cold by the time it arrived, do you think they call for a full
investigation, or just apologize and offer to send up a new, hot meal if
one is requested?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean

I mean, how hard is it for Taco Bell to send over another order, hot this time?

Posted by: pep at March 11, 2016 05:14 PM (LAe3v)

423 Still. He is the front runner. He wants to be POTUS. Narratives are being set, and it is beyond stupid to let your campaign be cast in this light

Posted by: ThunderB at March 11, 2016 05:09 PM (zOTsN)

Unless your goal is to split the vote on a budget, in which case things are going Desert Storm-level perfectly.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 11, 2016 05:14 PM (bLnSU)

424 "I'm not sure the GOP dying is such a bad thing although the Democrats need to go, too.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 05:09 PM (39g3+) "

If they both were destroyed? Sure, we can start from scratch. But I don't see the Democrats being destroyed by winning the White House for a 3rd straight cycle and getting control of the SCOTUS for decades to come. Plus, a party isn't just going to die and blink out of existence like a video game character. It's going to have lengthy, painful death throes which will reverberate for years. If the GOP really and truly "dies" in 2017, can we get a conservative party replacement ready to mount a real challenge for the 2018 cycle? How about to challenge for the White House in 2020? Again, imagining the death of the GOP is a great panacea. But what comes next?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:15 PM (4/i9Y)

425 I don't get it. What I see, in the slowed down portion, is that the guy is reaching toward her, the view is blocked by him, then she comes back into view apparently moving in the same direction at about the same speed.

I'd like to understand how people are seeing assault here, independent of craziness about the election. (Just talking about the video. The audio is clear.)

Posted by: moviegique at March 11, 2016 05:15 PM (7zeA4)

426 The vid shows clearly that there was movement towards Fields consistent with the witness' impression of who grabbed.

It's consistent with her description of when and how.

It supports her story.

She never claimed to be "thrown to the ground" - she said he pulled her down in a way consistent with *trying* to throw her down. She thought questions were still "on" - no sign to her otherwise. Trump and toadies had other ideas and grabbed the "pest," as they say, "out the way."

He didn't answer her question and her treatment was rough and unfriendly. She was physically yanked and she has bruises.

Maybe they (trumpanoids) think reporters should shut up an deal, and shut their whore mouths.

But there was nothing to say but " Im not sure what happened but there was no intention to hurt Ms Fields or do anything but help trump move through the crowd securely." Not the freaking Bart Simpson defense.

To turn this into some sort of Jackie Coakley analog is gross.

Posted by: A conservative exploring themes of loneliness, depression and isolation at March 11, 2016 05:15 PM (3fTXW)

427 Cleanup @287?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian at March 11, 2016 05:15 PM (3dOE/)

428 More Ronald, Less Donald!

Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at March 11, 2016 05:16 PM (Ndje9)

429 Breitbart reporters are the whale betting 10,000 a hand at blackjack and staying in the comped Presidential Suite.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (4/i9Y)

Pfffft, no they're not!! Maybe in their own eyes, but most actual conservatives heavily distrust the media. If Breitbart was so hardcore for Trump, or even had decent crisis management, they would have locked the place down while getting the facts and coming to an amicable arrangement. Trump realized he could simply run over them given their instigation- and has done. I won't be surprised if Fields is fired next week, like she was fired from the Daily Caller.

If you start assuming that the disaffected GOP customer is the "important" customer to the Trump campaign, next to the health of the campaign itself, suddenly most of this primary season starts to make sense.

Posted by: trev006 at March 11, 2016 05:16 PM (MEHba)

430 396
>>If Trump saw his campaign manager grab a female reporter and
throw her to the ground, he would fire her. I can't even believe there's
people that think otherwise.

Maybe...but only if there were cameras recording it. Trump is a sick man with serious mental health issues. I suspect he was molested. Few other traumas could account for his stunted development. In my professional evaluation, I would put his psychological development at about that of a 14 year old child.

Posted by: Siggy Freud at March 11, 2016 05:16 PM (aRUb8)

431 I offered Ace a C-Note to pull MUMR off the ban list.

He didn't bite.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 05:10 PM (WVsWD)

Don't wave it in his face, just stuff it down his ... hobo ... pelt ... thong ...

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:16 PM (uURQL)

432 Bravo. You're doing a great job. Losing one of the most winnable
elections in history to a f***ing felon is certainly going to kill the
GOP for the near future. Sure, we'll have a criminal as President and a
liberal SCOTUS for the next 30 years, but we totally showed Reince
Priebus and Jeb Bush who the real boss is! Oh, Ted Cruz is also hated by
the establishment? F*** that guy, he likes the Bible.

It is for people like this that the phrase "cut off your nose to spite your face" was written. Whole lotta noseless wonders in the Trump camp.

Posted by: pep at March 11, 2016 05:17 PM (LAe3v)

433 >>>This is exactly what's being done on college campuses, but the folks who have the sense to wait for proof in those cases have completely forgotten their reason because this fanciful "incident" seems like something they can use against a political opponent.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 05:11 PM (ZbV+0)>>>

I can't believe that you would stoop to legitimizing phony college accusations against men by SJW harpies in order to try and justify this behavior. Very sad.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 05:17 PM (4ueYo)

434 No, I suspect he's resigning because there's no shortage of not terribly bright men who will react emotionally to the suggestion of a woman being attacked regardless of whether there's any real evidence that it happened.

This is exactly what's being done on college campuses, but the folks who have the sense to wait for proof in those cases have completely forgotten their reason because this fanciful "incident" seems like something they can use against a political opponent.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 05:11 PM (ZbV+0)
******************************************

"Fields and Terris play-acted their already-scripted discussion of Lewandowski having flung her, because they're probably both Jews or other subversives."

It takes a stupid man to think that this event that took place in front of many witnesses, with live audio and video, is anything like college campus he said/she said business.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 11, 2016 05:17 PM (sQQU0)

435 Fenelon, you're right, that penguin article was just adorable. It reminds me of reading Mr. Popper's Penguins to my kids when they were little. Thank you for bringing me a little happiness in the midst of all this chaos. And thanks to whichever cob put it in the sidebar.

Posted by: bluebell at March 11, 2016 05:18 PM (2WwbN)

436 426
I don't get it. What I see, in the slowed down portion, is that the guy is reaching toward her, the view is blocked by him, then she comes back into view apparently moving in the same direction at about the same speed.

I'd like to understand how people are seeing assault here, independent of craziness about the election. (Just talking about the video. The audio is clear.)

Posted by: moviegique at March 11, 2016 05:15 PM (7zeA4)

It looked like the SS guy was making a move toward fields too, and was between CL and MF.

Who knows? Let the police sort it out if it rises to the level of battery.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian at March 11, 2016 05:18 PM (3dOE/)

437 But what comes next?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:15 PM (4/i9Y)

If I may offer my opinion on this, I would say then you have a decision to make. You can give up your God given rights peacefully and be allowed to live on their terms as a slave to the goober'mint.

Or not.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 05:18 PM (WVsWD)

438 I don't get it. What am I missing?
Posted by: Kensington at March 11, 2016 04:23 PM (7Kbxu)

You dont have Trump derangement syndrome so its harder for you to see a violent vicious attack ordered by Trump in that 3 second clip that shows nothing.

Posted by: random at March 11, 2016 05:18 PM (DGIjM)

439 I dislike Cruz very much and hate Rubio as candidate even more. I would have been pleased to find Trump something more than an airhead mobtosser but there's nothing but rancid Trumpsteaks all the way down.

Posted by: A conservative exploring themes of loneliness, depression and isolation at March 11, 2016 05:19 PM (3fTXW)

440
>>>Narratives are being set, and it is beyond stupid to let your campaign be cast in this light.<<<

Of course any republican candidate from the last two cycles would have apologized and fired whomever might have been close to the alleged event.
This is why republicans suck at negotiation. I'm not in favor of bruising reporters, but I also am not in favor of going belly up on an allegation. Especially when the video evidence suggests awkward and dumb behavior at worst.
Now more video may be available, but the video ace linked doesn't show much. The bruises are in fact on the wrong side of her arm.
Thephoto showsmarking that is consistent with fingerbruises on the back of her arm. The video shows that his finger grasp the inside of her arm not the back. Thepalmar surface of his hand is on the area where the bruises are in the photo. It does not addup. Sountil I see more video I can not convict.
In fact is thisis all they have, theyare likelyto not bring any charges!

Posted by: simplemind at March 11, 2016 05:19 PM (JTwsP)

441 First Chumlee and now Corey
Chumlee! Get back to work!

Posted by: the old man at March 11, 2016 05:20 PM (WOyz5)

442 I love "in the tank" Ace.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 11, 2016 05:20 PM (NIQco)

443 420:

Again...the best thing she did was to file the assault complaint. If he is guilty, he should be charged and prosecuted. But you want to be a cowboy...

As for the rest, if Ace thought it was something inappropriate or personal, which it was not, I am completely confident he could handle it without the need of your defense.

Sorry if I violated your safe space.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 05:20 PM (WnCSK)

444 Poking your finger into someone's chest can be assault.
No, I am not saying she was assaulted. Have not seen any vid or pics.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 11, 2016 05:20 PM (1JqUE)

445 >>>Yes, I know the definition of battery and I also know it when I see it. I didn't see any battery and neither did you. That is my point.

Posted by: Missbosslady at March 11, 2016 05:11 PM (QOnyI)>>>

The video suggests otherwise. And the bruises and eye witnesses do more than suggest otherwise. But, hey, go ahead and defend the battery of women. That's your prerogative.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 05:21 PM (4ueYo)

446 443
I love "in the tank" Ace.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 11, 2016 05:20 PM (NIQco)

I wasn't really all that into the blogosphere when Little Green Footballs was big. Is this how it was right before the purges that so many fondly speak of?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian at March 11, 2016 05:21 PM (3dOE/)

447 I can't believe that you would stoop to legitimizing phony college
accusations against men by SJW harpies in order to try and justify this
behavior. Very sad.
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Thank you for illustrating how emotionalism turns men stupid. That's exactly the opposite of what I said.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 05:21 PM (ZbV+0)

448 "Hahahaha.

Trump's niche is the people who hate the media. And the Establishment. And Feel Goody Talk that covers over the shit sandwiches.

We're at less than 5% unemployment, haven't you heard? Booming. Economy.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:14 PM (uURQL) "

Yes, because you're going to be much more influential than the media during the general election. Especially one of the few media outlets that is fully in the tank for Trump. Trump could blow Les Moonves and Bob Greenblatt on live TV and you'd still vote for him, so who the fuck are you trying to fool?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:22 PM (4/i9Y)

449 369
Is there not one conservative organization or figure who has the courage
of its convictions regarding Trump? Outside of the National Review?

At this point I'm going to just sit back and wait to hear from all
the marks who suddenly NEVER supported Trump as he signs "common sense"
gun control and builds that "big beautiful gate" while he forgets to
build the rest of the wall...

^^^^^This times 10. Trump will fight for conservative/anti establishment causes as effectively as Ahnald and fight for himself as effectively as the Clintons.

Posted by: pashmr at March 11, 2016 05:22 PM (3aNC4)

450 Did you actually watch that? its not the same video. It shows both the grab by Lewandoski and then another video showing Fields being jerked back.

BOOM.
Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at March 11, 2016 05:01 PM (jTy8z)

It shows her stopping abruptly so that was probably the grab. Second same video of Corey reaching in her direction. But she wasn't thrown to the ground and if that is what caused her bruising it was a freak occurrence. Breitbart article even points out they can't identify who grabber her arm. And in all honesty, is this really a story? "Someone grabbed my arm too hard in a shuffle of reporters and security."

There's no boom here, just a wet fizzle.

Posted by: WOPR at March 11, 2016 05:24 PM (LTDSy)

451 Dude could be guilty, but that is the oddest looking bruise for a hand grab that I have ever seen...

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 11, 2016 05:25 PM (dH97I)

452 "If I may offer my opinion on this, I would say then you have a decision to make. You can give up your God given rights peacefully and be allowed to live on their terms as a slave to the goober'mint.

Or not.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 05:18 PM (WVsWD) "

How about instead I vote for Ted Cruz, a candidate with actual conservative principles who has policy solutions and isn't a fucking lunatic on a year and a half long ego trip? I'll leave the Mad Max fantasies to the Trump voters. Trump is going to fuckin' destroy the GOPe, man! And then we're going to run Barter Town!

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:25 PM (4/i9Y)

453 Paging Dr. Freud...

Posted by: Skeezix at March 11, 2016 05:07 PM (WnCSK)

At your service. Unfortunately mass psychosis, as seen in the Trump supporters, is next to impossible to treat. It is an individual process. The individual has to recognize their own illness and resist the magnetic pull of the "herd".It is a difficult struggle. Good luck to all afflicted with this "hive mind"

Posted by: Siggy Freud at March 11, 2016 05:25 PM (aRUb8)

454 I apologized for Maccacca right away and it worked out perfectly.

Posted by: George Allen at March 11, 2016 05:25 PM (QeeWu)

455 I wasn't really all that into the blogosphere when Little Green Footballs was big. Is this how it was right before the purges that so many fondly speak of?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian at March 11, 2016 05:21 PM (3dOE/)

No. And even if it were close, Ace is generally of a different temperament altogether.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 11, 2016 05:27 PM (dH97I)

456 How about instead I vote for Ted Cruz, a candidate with actual conservative principles who has policy solutions and isn't a fucking lunatic on a year and a half long ego trip? I'll leave the Mad Max fantasies to the Trump voters. Trump is going to fuckin' destroy the GOPe, man! And then we're going to run Barter Town!

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:25 PM (4/i9Y)

You are going to pop a vein there. You actually believe Cruz is going to usher in some kind of Conservatopia? How long will it last?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 05:27 PM (WVsWD)

457 >>>Thank you for illustrating how emotionalism turns men stupid. That's exactly the opposite of what I said.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 11, 2016 05:21 PM (ZbV+0)>>>

You compared something for which there is strong circumstantial evidence for to something for which there is zero evidence for, circumstantial or otherwise, and which there is actual strong evidence against. As if they were the same. Yeah, sure, your intent is to bring down that which the evidence supports to the level of which the evidence is against, but the opposite could just as easily be inferred by someone so inclined. So kudos on legitimizing the SJW harpies, bubba. But hey, you called me "emotional." Good argument.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 05:27 PM (4ueYo)

458 wasn't really all that into the blogosphere when Little Green Footballs was big. Is this how it was right before the purges that so many fondly speak of?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian at March 11, 2016 05:21 PM (3dOE/)

----------

Hell if I know.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 11, 2016 05:28 PM (NIQco)

459 "We'll see.

GOPe's track record in the Bush years, and in 20010, 2012, 2014 also mean that not winning the election is no big deal.

Obamacare and PP get funded, the fed budget increases, military is sent to Islamic hellholes to get shot at and not shoot back, and the illegals continue invading America.

Oh, and society is turned upside down for the sake of the feelz of gays trans pedos.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 05:08 PM (uURQL) "

If you've just given up, then fine. But expecting Trump to blow everything up isn't a solution, it's a fantasy. The guy with no policy chops and no real principles is going to magically fix everything by...shouting at people? Talking about his dick? Oh, right, the wall. Yeah, it'll be erected in 24 hours on November 9th, complete with moats filled with laser sharks.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:30 PM (4/i9Y)

460 The video suggests otherwise. And the bruises and eye witnesses do more than suggest otherwise. But, hey, go ahead and defend the battery of women. That's your prerogative.
Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 05:21 PM (4ueYo)

Dream on, this is at best "I briefly grabbed her arm too hard trying to keep back reporters." No sane judge is going to list that as battery without additional context (yelling, threats, holding the arm for several seconds, actually throwing the person down.)

Not voting for Trump but this is absurd.

Posted by: WOPR at March 11, 2016 05:31 PM (LTDSy)

461 The video doesn't show the battery, true. It just shows a situation very consistent with the battery claimed, and by the person claimed, in the circumstances claimed. There is other evidence to support that the chick was roughly pulled by someone who wanted to clear a way for Trump to leave without answering questions on the fly.

Again, there was never ever any need to call shenanigans or call her a liar, nut or slut in order to avoid giving oxygen to any overblown "TRUMP VIOLENCE" narratives.

Again, there was nothing to say but " Im not sure what happened but there
was no intention to hurt Ms Fields or do anything but help Trump move
through the crowd securely. There was no personal animus to Ms Fields and we are sending her a delicious case of Trump steaks for her trouble" Not the freaking Bart Simpson in an ivy-leasue suit bada bing defense.

It's the handling of the whole thing that makes trump repulsive.

Posted by: A conservative exploring themes of loneliness, depression and isolation at March 11, 2016 05:34 PM (3fTXW)

462 >>>Dream on, this is at best "I briefly grabbed her arm too hard trying to keep back reporters." No sane judge is going to list that as battery without additional context (yelling, threats, holding the arm for several seconds, actually throwing the person down.)

Not voting for Trump but this is absurd.
Posted by: WOPR at March 11, 2016 05:31 PM (LTDSy)>>>

It is, definitionally, battery. Yelling is irrelevant to battery - that's assault. Whether or not he'd actually be convicted for it is an entirely different question. But, handling a woman to such an extent that she is injured surely warrants an apology. Which could have been done very simply, nipping what should have been a non-troversy in the bud. A simple, "If I hurt you, my apologies, I was simply trying to clear a path for Mr. Trump and didn't intent to harm anyone." Easy.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 05:35 PM (4ueYo)

463
Also the "bruises" seen in the photo are on the back of her forearm. The video shows unlikely for bruising to occur due to limited contact but if he did squeeze the arm, the bruises should have been inside the forearm. His palm was on the outside of her forearm in the video. Also it is hard to see exactly whose arm hand is doing the "grabbing". It isn't much contact on the video.
I am wondering if there isn't some other video or something that happened later because there's no way that contact caused her to almost fall. She didn't lose momemtum and her arm was barely raised up - maybe 20 degrees movement before release. Its very odd if this is supposed to be the smoking gun. Very odd. Now to be fair, she could be a hemophiliac or be on blood thinners due to having a clotting issue or heart issue like an arrhythmia. So in that case even minimal contact could cause a bruise. I'm not seeing a violent tug here. Which is why I wonder if there isn't something else.
A lot of emotion, though, by people who were, ostensibly not involved.
Maybe this chick used to date people involved in the blog? Cause I can see the whole I'm a gonna protect my girl thing. Been there done that.
Don't see the cops doing ANYTHING based upon this video. That's a legal opinion.

Posted by: simplemind at March 11, 2016 05:36 PM (JTwsP)

464 (A bunch of mornons in unison)

Ace is generally of a different temperament !

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 11, 2016 05:39 PM (1JqUE)

465 American Revolution (which had a significant political and philosophical underpinning and base and was more than just lashing out in anger) vs. the vast majority of other revolutions and socio-political upheavals (which mostly rose out of I'm pissed off and not gonna take it anymore, and half-baked populist proto-Marxist, quasi-Marxist, and Marxist ideologies). *Snort* Okay, good one.

Posted by: goodgolly at March 11, 2016 05:39 PM (k8xvx)

466
a situation very consistent with the battery claimed, and by the person claimed, in the circumstances claimed.

The standard is BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT in criminal law.
Consistency is not as helpful as you might think.

Posted by: simplemind at March 11, 2016 05:39 PM (JTwsP)

467 >>>The standard is BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT in criminal law.

Posted by: simplemind at March 11, 2016 05:39 PM (JTwsP)>>>

The standards required for criminal law, civil law, and public opinion are not equivalent.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 05:41 PM (4ueYo)

468 It's too late simplemind they already called her a liar when she's really not.

There wouldn't have been any hypertechnical battery police report if they hadn't called her a liar and double dog dared her to make it. It IS a battery, techically, if he grabbed her roughly even if the circumstances and degree of injury make the act seem like the slightest of wrongs.

They made a mess out of a nothingburger? This is not a favor in point of Trump.

Posted by: A conservative exploring themes of loneliness, depression and isolation at March 11, 2016 05:41 PM (3fTXW)

469 42
So what happened to this version?

Breitbart:

Video Emerges to Suggest WaPo Reporter Ben Terris Misidentifies Lewandowski in Fields Incident

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at March 11, 2016 04:15 PM (QDZmu)
----------------------
Better video with a better angle showing Corey and not the agent grabbing for her.Basically, better evidence... assuming evidence matters to you.If not, repeat after me:"What difference, at this point, does it make?"Oh, that's not a Trump supporter view? Sorry, it sounded like them here.

Posted by: gekkobear at March 11, 2016 05:42 PM (1tc4V)

470 "You are going to pop a vein there. You actually believe Cruz is going to usher in some kind of Conservatopia? How long will it last?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 05:27 PM (WVsWD) "

No, I think he'll be a good President and he'll give us a conservative SCOTUS, which is the best chance to at least keep this country from complete collapse or revolution. No one man can fix Congress or the Executive Branch, but a Supreme Court that will at the very least keep the 2nd Amendment and might even overturn some of the other garbage we've had inflicted on us is our best chance.

I don't believe in Utopianism. That's the other side, champ. I'm pragmatic, and I see Cruz as the best candidate left.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:43 PM (4/i9Y)

471 "No. And even if it were close, Ace is generally of a different temperament altogether."

(A bunch of mornons in unison)

Ace is generally of a different temperament !

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 11, 2016 05:45 PM (1JqUE)

472 Dream on, this is at best "I briefly grabbed her arm
too hard trying to keep back reporters."

Posted by: WOPR at March 11, 2016 05:31 PM (LTDSy)
-------------------
Therefore it was necessary to lie about it and engage in character assassination on her for two days to try to shut her up... because it's nothing and we should ignore it now that' I'm proven wrong!Yeah, that leaves Corey smelling like roses... Trump roses, the finest and most cow-patty infused roses on the market. IS that what you're hoping for?
How hard would it have been to try:"I didn't think I grabbed your arm that hard, I certainly didn't mean to. I was trying to clear a path for Trump. I apologize if I inured you."
If he did that, we'd have been done before anyone HEARD of this. But he decided lies and character assassination would better serve his cause.Why?

Posted by: gekkobear at March 11, 2016 05:46 PM (1tc4V)

473
>>It's too late simplemind they already called her a liar when she's really not.

There wouldn't have been any hypertechnical battery police report if they hadn't called her a liar and double dog dared her to make it. It IS a battery, techically, if he grabbed her roughly even if the circumstances and degree of injury make the act seem like the slightest of wrongs.<<
So as a lawyer,HER lawyerI would want to see evidence of a throw down or near throw down. Because my client, the reporter, claimed a violent grab and near/actual throw down. If that does not exist, then arguably she is perhaps a liar. If video exists of the whole exchange and does not show a violent tug and near fall, the she would be DEMONSTRABLY a liar.
Of course, sinceLewandowski supposedlyclaimed he never touched her, if it can be seen that he did. The he too is a liar.I tend to think they are both fullof it. . . because
OF course my position has always been, as between a political reporter and a political campaign manager I can't imagine having faith in either one of them, all else being equal.
I respect contrary opinions. I respect evidence even more than opinion. Its how the rule of law USED to work.

Posted by: simplemind at March 11, 2016 05:48 PM (JTwsP)

474 290 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 11, 2016 04:45 PM (uURQL)

Are you saying that's not Lewwandoski in the video?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
Headline---"Video Seems to Show Trump Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski Grabbing Breitbart Reporter Michelle Fields"

You lost me at "seems".

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 11, 2016 05:53 PM (QdAXQ)

475
Also again, the bruises don't match up on the photo to the video.

Can't emphasize it enough.

Wrong side of arm. Fingers were on the inside of the forearm in video, bruising in photo was on the outside of the forearm.
Its why I wonder if there wasn't something that happened later? So little contact on video and his hand is positioned wrong to match the bruises in the photo.
I'm just telling you if this is all there is it doesn't fly in a courtroom.

Posted by: simplemind at March 11, 2016 05:53 PM (JTwsP)

476 >>>Again, there was nothing to say but " Im not sure what happened but there
was no intention to hurt Ms Fields or do anything but help Trump move
through the crowd securely. There was no personal animus to Ms Fields and we are sending her a delicious case of Trump steaks for her trouble" Not the freaking Bart Simpson in an ivy-leasue suit bada bing defense.

It's the handling of the whole thing that makes trump repulsive.

^^THIS a thousand times. I just can't believe the vitriol being directed at this woman over this.

Posted by: Mike Honcho's Staple at March 11, 2016 05:54 PM (muYbY)

477 How is this worse than what Cruz did to Carson?

Posted by: CK at March 11, 2016 04:16 PM (pLYYp)

Cruz did nothing to Carson.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 11, 2016 05:55 PM (NPofj)

478
It's the handling of the whole thing that makes trump repulsive.

Be honest with yourself. You found Trump repulsive before this.

That's not to say he isn't repulsive.
But not firing, or apologizing for someone else's conduct, when it amounts to what is seen on the video isn't repulsive. Well, I concede you may be easily repulsed.Since I'm open minded, I'll go as far as "ill-advised" or "intemperate" but notrepulsive. Repulsiveis selling baby parts for money.
See what I'm saying? I get that you hate trump. But if you want to stop him, this isn't the ticket.
You stop trump by keep hammering on the fact that he polls behind Clinton and Sanders and has epically high negatives. That he's unelectable IN fact, especially after the MSM goes after him post nomination.

Posted by: simplemind at March 11, 2016 05:59 PM (JTwsP)

479 I don't believe in Utopianism. That's the other side, champ. I'm pragmatic, and I see Cruz as the best candidate left.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 05:43 PM (4/i9Y)

I do not see Cruz as any better or any worse as any of the the other GOP'ers I have voted for since 1988.

They all make promises and as soon as they are elected the promises get forgotten until the next election.

Vote for whom you wish there champ. No one forcing you to do otherwise.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 06:10 PM (WVsWD)

480 "I do not see Cruz as any better or any worse as any of the the other GOP'ers I have voted for since 1988.

They all make promises and as soon as they are elected the promises get forgotten until the next election.

Vote for whom you wish there champ. No one forcing you to do otherwise.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 06:10 PM (WVsWD) "

You're right, Dubya and Daddy Bush did a lot of nothing with regards to most of their campaign promises. But they also gave us Alito and Thomas (and Roberts and Souter; mulligan on that last one?), which is the only reason we still have a 2nd Amendment. And I expect Cruz's SCOTUS picks would be a lot more Thomas/Alito than Roberts/Souter, given his extensive legal background.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 06:15 PM (4/i9Y)

481 And yet here we are. You are depending on one single human being to keep your world afloat.

Correct?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 06:31 PM (WVsWD)

482 If some midget had done this to my wife of daughter, my fist would have exploded into that pussy's face. Crowd or no crowd.
Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 04:53 PM (4ueYo)

But, see, there's a reverse scenario...if I was trying to make my way through a crowd after speaking, and someone came running up pushing towards me, my husband would seek to prevent them from getting any further, even if grabbing them them was the way to do so.

And he's a big ass man, and yea, she'd have bruised.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 11, 2016 06:37 PM (CNKtx)

483 "And yet here we are. You are depending on one single human being to keep your world afloat.

Correct?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 06:31 PM (WVsWD) "

Nope, depending on five or more of them in black robes. Who are the Trump fans depending on, again? My fantasy (a conservative SCOTUS) can and has actually happened before. The fantasy of Trump the Destroyer bulldozing everything and salting the Earth? Not so much.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 11, 2016 06:39 PM (4/i9Y)

484 481
And yet here we are. You are depending on one single human being to keep your world afloat.

Correct?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 11, 2016 06:31 PM (WVsWD)

Not to speak for others, but ..no. I'm NOT depending on one person..or any person to "keep the world afloat." THAT quality resides in the Trump supporters.What I depend on to right the ship is the Constitution. Not a man..or a woman, the Constitution.In that context, can you see how it is the Trump supporters who more closely fit you idea?

Posted by: Siggy Freud at March 11, 2016 06:47 PM (aRUb8)

485 If it hasn't been said yet, the whole episode doesn't pass the "smell test". Nobody on the Trump team had any reason to be anything but nice to Fields, and a campaign manager acting as some sort of heavy-handed security guy doesn't make any sense.

Sounds like somebody (probably not the campaign manager, for cryin' out loud) mistook her for a trouble maker. If that doesn't seem credible, then how come she had to ask who it was? Obviously the situation was fairly chaotic.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 11, 2016 06:47 PM (/q6+P)

486 >>>But, see, there's a reverse scenario...if I was trying to make my way through a crowd after speaking, and someone came running up pushing towards me, my husband would seek to prevent them from getting any further, even if grabbing them them was the way to do so.

And he's a big ass man, and yea, she'd have bruised.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 11, 2016 06:37 PM (CNKtx)>>>

So, Trump is the woman in your analogy? And, your husband would be a batterer because asking questions is not a threat.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 06:55 PM (J1il8)

487 >>>Sounds like somebody (probably not the campaign manager, for cryin' out loud) mistook her for a trouble maker. If that doesn't seem credible, then how come she had to ask who it was? Obviously the situation was fairly chaotic.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 11, 2016 06:47 PM (/q6+P)>>>

Seems credible. This story, with an apology, would have made this a non-troversy.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 06:57 PM (J1il8)

488 Instead, the Trump campaign decides to nuke her from orbit. Makes no sense, but people are stupid.

Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 06:57 PM (J1il8)

489 Is it stupid? Trump supports are completely fanatical.

That's really the worst thing about Trumps. He's a complete clown, but his followers are scary.

Posted by: JeremyR at March 11, 2016 07:12 PM (znoS2)

490 Posted by: gm at March 11, 2016 06:55 PM (J1il

Running up to me out of a crowd would be enough for my husband, yes, and I am thankful that he is protective of me, as any man should be. I sincerely doubt you'd let anyone run up on your wife.

Now, I agree it's not the best example, because a woman is not as much of a threat to a man.

All I know is, he's pulled me harder than that to get me away from the perfume counter at Neiman Marcus!

And I don't mean to be arguing with you in an ugly way, I hope it isn't coming off that way!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 11, 2016 07:13 PM (CNKtx)

491 Posted by: simplemind at March 11, 2016 05:59 PM (JTwsP)

I'm honest enough to say I hate all the candidates very much now.

I had some hopes for Trump, quickly disappointed.

This small incident that was some other guy's doing revealed him as worse than useless. Turning a nothingburger into a witchfry was stupid and he got fire on himself.

Posted by: A conservative exploring themes of loneliness, depression and isolation at March 11, 2016 07:48 PM (3fTXW)

492 What you're seeing here is the first example of Donald Trump's foreign policy -- creating a crisis and completely fragging your one of your only allies.

==

Okay Ace, I think you're having a breakdown as a result of realizing that Cruz isn't going to win.

P.S. Breitbart is pro-Cruz, so you're off-base here. Keep the lies and hyperbole coming though, it's a pro-Cruz thing.

Posted by: Pat at March 12, 2016 02:10 AM (n22zQ)

493 The Trumpettes are either Paulians and or Democrats. Not much else. Both act like children with giant big mouths.

Posted by: ETS at March 12, 2016 02:10 AM (ES7V9)

494 Imagine a Clinton flunky doing this to someone. How fine are you with it then? Consistency is a good thing. Maybe it didn't happen. Maybe it did. But while I don't much care for reporters and they can be jerks, ya don't do that, especially to the ladies.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 11, 2016 04:13 PM (39g3+)

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Ace should stop acting like an SJW witchhunter.

Posted by: Pat at March 12, 2016 02:15 AM (n22zQ)

495 Cruz' comments regarding "protesters" at trump rally would disqualify anyone from GOP nomination if this party actually stood for conservative principals. clinton could have written it. but it wont...because the GOP stands for nothing at all anymore. i feel like this is a disaster movie and all my friends are one by one turning into hateful zombies with no brains, ie: progressive liberals.

Posted by: johnny at March 12, 2016 09:11 AM (9Utm9)

496 I'm looking forward to hearing how the "Ideal Gas Law" means that it couldn't possibly have been Lewandowski who pulled her down.

Posted by: Dave H at March 12, 2016 12:24 PM (xMMIg)

497 #GrabGate Debunked - Michelle Fields Cries Wolf. NEW ANGLE PROVES SHES LYING!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NoMPxomjiw
Time for Ace to apologize to Mr Trump.

Posted by: Da Judge at March 13, 2016 07:20 AM (rREgU)

498 This. ^^^^

Posted by: Teran Solo at March 13, 2016 06:32 PM (QbmPE)

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