Debate Scorecard

Ted Cruz: Generally stayed out of the Rubio-Trump tangles, which is tactically smart, but gets few points for courage. Had good understated line, though: "Donald has a tenuous relationship with the truth."

Generally did a good job, but sometimes gives the impression that he is not actually a man, but rather a robotic man-suit piloted internally by a team of ultra right-wing ducks standing on each other's backs and quacking Fredrick Hayek quotes to each other.

Continues making the strategic mistake of telling people what he actually believes and what he'd actually do, which our current culture reads as "insincerity" and "sanctimony."

A-.

Marco Rubio: Had the flu and it showed, but hard to deduct points for that. Continued attacking Donald Trump, which was the right thing to do, but will probably wind up benefiting Ted Cruz or even (my God) John Kasich more.

Did not mention loving America for once, nor loving his grandpa, so I have to wonder Why? Why you hatin' on America and grandpa now, Marco?

Came in 2nd place, which is what we now know as "Rubio Gold." Spent the last twenty minutes insisting to a baffled audience that "no one expected us to be here" and "everyone said we would never get to this place" even though the debate schedule had been confirmed months ago and everyone was sent a map with clear directions.

Finished up by pandering to mid-40s Hispanic women by kinda-sorta insinuating he was the original lead singer in Menudo.

John Kasich: As David French notes, pretended to be an Elder Statesman by completely staying out of necessary fights, which actually marks him as an AWOL Coward.

Continued playing to his core supporters of artisinal bong craftsmen and elderly public masturbators.

Debate moderators allowed him to glide out of his previous answer on coercing bakers to bake gay wedding cakes -- he was an enthusiastic supporter of forcing them to doing so -- by simply saying one shouldn't force them to do so, but should seek another baker. Well that's fine -- but if the law on the books says they must, your advice that one should avoid hailing them into court is, as usual for Kasich, cowardly and liberal. It provides them no protection -- Kasich is merely offering a "Don't be a dick" advisory to gay zealots. As none of the moderators pressed him on this, he was able to hide the fact that he still embraces the most toxic gay mafia view of the law possible.

Also, his face looks like you accidentally left it in your pocket and put it through the wash.

D-.

Donald Trump. Repudiated the Jeff Sessions Immigration Plan -- which was the only reason to support him -- by declaring he was "changing" and "softening" it because we need all these highly-skilled people to take our jobs. Then said he would be "flexible" on the wall and deporting illegals and pretty much admitted he'd said as much to the New York Times editorial board, and then, in case you were unsure if you'd heard him right, praised Marco Rubio's Amnesty plan as "fine" and a good opening bargaining position.

Kept talking about his hand-size and then, just when you thought this was getting weird, brought it back into a more sensible area by assuring the world that his penis size was sufficient for most.

He then added some substance to his foreign policy platform by declaring that he would force American soldiers to break the law and murder children.

On other issues, he was less reassuring.

His answers to questions about Trump University and the budget were somewhat uncomfortable to watch, in much the same way that it is uncomfortable to watch a bus full of circus clowns crash into a school for blind children and even worse the clowns were doing their "Gasoline Comedy" act that day and now all the blind children are on fire and the clowns are trying to squirt water on them with their stupid lapel-flowers but the flowers are just squirting out more gas and the children are crying tears of fire out of their Unseeing Dead Eyes and holy shit a couple of the clowns look like they have boners and they're chasing around the fiery blind children trying to rub up on them with these bobbling clown-boners with big red bulbs on their tips.

In other words, as Trump would say: Not the best. Really not terrific. A real mess!

Grade: I don't even know how to even start grading this. As far as a letter grade, I give a red X carved crudely through the face of a rotting pig with a bunch of stripper-glitter tossed on it.

Posted by: Ace at 07:15 AM

Comments

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1 I like cruz, but that depiction is absolutely hilarious.

Posted by: Zack at March 04, 2016 05:24 AM (rEXZX)

2 Whut? First?
Crazy.....

Posted by: Syracuse1989 at March 04, 2016 05:33 AM (DAnVX)

3 Ace up early and stomping on my news links.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:16 AM (t2KH5)

4 And

RINO Rubio criticized gun control and failed to mention his gun control actions in Miami. IOW he is a liar.

http://tinyurl.com/hubcff9

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:17 AM (t2KH5)

5 Yeah, no.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 04, 2016 07:18 AM (oVJmc)

6 I didn't think Ace knew there was a 7 AM.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 04, 2016 07:18 AM (MCmqp)

7 Debate scorecard; they all get F's.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:18 AM (t2KH5)

8
Forget that it was Mitt Romney, and what he said was essentially accurate.

Ugh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 04, 2016 07:18 AM (p4UlV)

9 Kasich and Rubio should drop out before the next primary.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:19 AM (t2KH5)

10

DAY 1,214

249 to go (322 to Inauguration Day )

Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, Mao-suits, McCain's, McConnell's, Mario's, Mahdi megatons, machiavellian Mississippi mudslingers, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, McKesson's, Mizzou malefactors, mewling mattress-myth manufacturers, marriage maimers, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Myrmidons, Mugwumps, Monrovian microbes, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microaggressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri, malfunctioning Moron microsites and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 04, 2016 07:19 AM (p4UlV)

11 9 Kasich and Rubio should drop out before the next primary.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:19 AM (t2KH5)

GOP-e = Anyone but Trump, EXCEPT Cruz.

They can burn.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 04, 2016 07:20 AM (p4UlV)

12 Thanks for the score card, Ace. Good to see that Donald Trump laid to rest, In fact put to bed, the entire penis size issue.

I mean, how can we take the man seriously if he's less than manly in that area?

Posted by: mega machines at March 04, 2016 07:21 AM (fbovC)

13 The Rubiobots spin after Super Tuesday was that Cruz AND Mario were both doing so darned well that neither should drop out so we can keep delegates from Trump and go to that brokered convention thingy.

At that point, Cruz should do the honorable thing and let the party nominate Rubio because blah blah electable blah blah blah Cruz is a liar blah blah blah hydromancy.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 04, 2016 07:21 AM (MCmqp)

14
While we were all fretting over Schvantz-gate, Justice John Roberts hands the Obama EPA (a redundancy) a victory yesterday.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 04, 2016 07:22 AM (p4UlV)

15 >>Forget that it was Mitt Romney, and what he said was essentially accurate.

I prefer to remember it was Mitt Romney since he has been right about pretty much everything. Remind me again why I am supposed to hate him?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 07:22 AM (/tuJf)

16 When is the podcast going up? I got a long drive home.

Posted by: gunslingeraz at March 04, 2016 07:22 AM (Ij1fE)

17 My feeling is that the only reason Kasich and Rubio are remaining in is to keep all the votes divided so that it will drive them to a brokered convention. And there the RNCe can get their will.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:22 AM (t2KH5)

18 I didn't watch the "debate", again, because I'd rather read a succinct summary like Ace's here, than waste 90 minutes listening and watching. Trump sounds like he was at the top of his game.

Posted by: 7Mike at March 04, 2016 07:22 AM (pxwEr)

19 I LOLed at ace' s scorecard. Very witty.
He left put the real winner though - Ben Carson, enjoying a fruit salad at home.

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 07:23 AM (cbfNE)

20 Ace? At 7 a.m.?

I guess I better start getting ready for the apocalypse.

Posted by: MTF at March 04, 2016 07:23 AM (TxJGV)

21 My grading scale is much harsher:

Ted Cruz, winner: C-. Showed up, looked competent, is too much of a lawyer for his own good.

Donald Trump: F. Obi-Wan voice: "You were the Chosen One!" Why would you throw away the one thing that made your campaign? He's now my second choice.

Kasich: Z. You have no path to victory. Go home.

Rubio: Horse head in his bed. Never Rubio. Ever. For any reason. Just ask a Floridian.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 07:23 AM (J+mig)

22 Ace, Apr�s vous le d�luge

Of Rock-em Sock em Robots.

Thanks for the analysis.

I'm going for a walk.

Thanks for your faithfulness in the fight, Ace.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 07:23 AM (w4NZ8)

23 I'm pretty sure that Trump was channeling the "Chimpokomon" episode of South Park...

Posted by: Shoe! I choose you! at March 04, 2016 07:24 AM (vBeA5)

24
Continued playing to his core supporters of artisinal bong craftsmen and elderly public masturbators.

That was never proven.

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at March 04, 2016 07:24 AM (X6fMO)

25 The Stupid Party. Oh hell, they are laughing at the GOP now on Fox.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at March 04, 2016 07:24 AM (jN+3o)

26 Didn't watch the 'debate'. It's really not anything like a true debate and with the exception of Cruz, the people involved really don't have any debating skills.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 04, 2016 07:24 AM (MVoQU)

27 Cruz ate a booger on national TV

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 04, 2016 07:24 AM (2kjDY)

28 15 I prefer to remember it was Mitt Romney since he has been right about pretty much everything. Remind me again why I am supposed to hate him?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 07:22 AM (/tuJf)

If he had only put 1 trillionth the energy and venom in attacking SCOAMF in 2012, and the rest of that party followed suit from 1/20/09 forward, Mitt would probably be cruising to reelection right now.

But he didn't. Does that enlighten you?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 04, 2016 07:24 AM (p4UlV)

29 So, no need to spam @realDonaldTrump?

Distressing.

Posted by: herbal enlargement pills at March 04, 2016 07:24 AM (fbovC)

30 I will be sharing the Trump section with my coworkers today. Bless you.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at March 04, 2016 07:25 AM (/ciMI)

31 Talked about the debate with a few pro-Trump guys at work this morning. They're not off the train just yet, but they did admit it was a bad night for Donnie and they couldn't understand why he was soft pedalling all that previous badass talk about immigration last night.

My response: You guys have been so fiercely loyal to him, regardless of what he does or says, so he knows he can fuck you over on the important issue and you'll still vote for him.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 04, 2016 07:25 AM (MCmqp)

32 The news links are on the ONT at #595

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:26 AM (t2KH5)

33 Holy cow! Have you been to bed yet?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 07:26 AM (8PbKi)

34 I'm going to post it here again anyway:

Machine makes beautiful music using 2000 marbles:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hkv8q7x

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 07:26 AM (w4NZ8)

35 Good mornin... I do agree if you listened to what Trump was saying he was a mess, backpeddlin on h1b and immigration... but I do not think that will be the takeaway. I think the non politicos or god forbid the LIVs that watched would see this as a 5 on 1, slaughter-ball shit-show. Trump may even have gained sympathy votes. They would have missed the detail because the "show" was so one sided. That said it reaffirms that Cruze is the best up there but I still worry he cannot win in the general when the MSM takes out the long knives for him... that is my concern.

Posted by: E.T. at March 04, 2016 07:26 AM (yq4gk)

36 I thought Cruz looked presidential. Trump looked like a spoiled brat who wanted to go home to his mommy. Rubio looked very vice-presidential and Kasich reminded me of my mailman.

Posted by: sinalco at March 04, 2016 07:26 AM (yODqO)

37 So Trump did OK then?

Posted by: Chicken butt at March 04, 2016 07:27 AM (BO/km)

38
Okay kids. Back to bed for me to recuperate. Funny because I didn't "cuperate" in the first place.

Phlegm.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 04, 2016 07:27 AM (p4UlV)

39
and holy shit a couple of the clowns look like they have boners and they're chasing around the fiery blind children trying to rub up on them with these bobbling clown-boners with big red bulbs on their tips.

There's a prOn cartoon character called "Giggles the Slutty Clown," Ace. Thanks for making me think of her at 7.30 in the morning before my first cup of tea. Now I'll never get any work done.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 04, 2016 07:27 AM (X6fMO)

40 Mitt Romney has always been a worthless turd. He hasn't changed in decades. But I held my nose and voted for him. It was a waste of time. I should have stayed at home.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:27 AM (t2KH5)

41 Trump's idiocy has hit a brick wall.

The US military contrary to Trump's disgusting statement last night will not torture nor kill civilians unethically at his command. Maybe his horde would but not the vet I married or ever met.

Posted by: penny at March 04, 2016 07:27 AM (htcMT)

42 He left put the real winner though - Ben Carson, enjoying a fruit salad at home.Posted by:�votermom�

In loose shoes? There's a joke in there, somewhere.

Posted by: zombie Earl Butz at March 04, 2016 07:27 AM (fbovC)

43 >>If he had only put 1 trillionth the energy and venom in attacking SCOAMF in 2012, and the rest of that party followed suit from 1/20/09 forward, Mitt would probably be cruising to reelection right now.

Enough of this crap. This is as dumb as Trump University.

If anyone didn't realize that Obama was a fuckup in 2012 and couldn't be bothered to vote for the complete opposite then that's on them. Trump has attacked everyone short of Mother Teresa so far this election, you excited about voting for him?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 07:28 AM (/tuJf)

44 The news links are on the ONT at #595

And your listening alternative (lighter things) is posted interspersed amongst Vic's links # 595 ONT :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 07:28 AM (w4NZ8)

45 Remind me again why I am supposed to hate him?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 07:22 AM

Because he chose a proven liar and serial democrat sympathizer for a VP, then ran a feckless, timid, exorbitantly expensive campaign that lost to Captain Asshat. And because he's a GOPe stooge.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 04, 2016 07:28 AM (MVoQU)

46 Technically, I was off the Trump bandwagon weeks ago, and even voted for Cruz in the primary, but it's still aggravating to see him shit all over the one good thing he's done which is make immigration the issue of this election.

If Cruz implodes or just doesn't win the nomination, we're boned.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 07:28 AM (J+mig)

47 This is gonna be a great podcast!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 07:29 AM (8PbKi)

48 Damn, now Trump will actually have to follow through on everything to prove he is true-blue and it was all real.

Stay off Fifth Avenue for the next couple of days is my advice.

Posted by: MTF at March 04, 2016 07:29 AM (TxJGV)

49 And the Drudge poll shows exactly the same ratio of supporters for Trump as in each previous debate, about 2.4:1 Trump/Cruz, or 58 and 24%. Kasich is 3rd in that scientific poll with 13% but the Rube is dead last with 5%.

Posted by: 7Mike at March 04, 2016 07:29 AM (pxwEr)

50 27 Cruz ate a booger on national TV

That should endear him to Millenials, right?

Posted by: sinalco at March 04, 2016 07:30 AM (yODqO)

51 35 That said it reaffirms that Cruze is the best up
there but I still worry he cannot win in the general when the MSM takes
out the long knives for him... that is my concern.

Posted by: E.T. at March 04, 2016 07:26 AM (yq4gk)

What is this "lose in the general shit"? I have seen polls that say ANY of the Republican candidate will bee6t Scankles. People hate her. Vote for who you like and forget about this "we need a winner" shit. It has NEVER been accurate anyway.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:30 AM (t2KH5)

52
What, Trump lost -- another -- debate? That's like, what -- the 10th or 12th one he's been crushed in.

Well, while he was inevitably doomed before and just a penny on the track for the Cruz Victory Express, now he's, like, ultra-mega doomed. It's going to be gruesome watching Tedward crush him this weekend in all those closed primaries.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 04, 2016 07:30 AM (kdS6q)

53 Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

Do you have any collection of pictures (You obviously have stories) of the Hollywood. If you haven't already done it, a library or senior citizen Center (For more active seniors) would love a program on this!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 07:31 AM (w4NZ8)

54 Ace brings the poetry again, so I won't touch the substance of it except to wonder why we're wasting good stripper glitter on the pig.

1) Absolutely baffled by the Kasich cheers. I know the room was stacked with supporters, but where did he buy 50 with such good vocal chords.

B) The last question of the night was everyone, including Trump, vowing to support the GOP nominee.

Trump was *immediately* interviewed by O'Reilly, orange sauce still leaking under the klieg lights, and said that while he'd prefer to win as a Republican but won't rule out an independent bid.

The fact that this will bother no one is why I should take up a new hobby.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 04, 2016 07:31 AM (1xUj/)

55 What is this "lose in the general shit"? I have
seen polls that say ANY of the Republican candidate will bee6t Scankles.
People hate her. Vote for who you like and forget about this "we need a
winner" shit. It has NEVER been accurate anyway.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:30 AM (t2KH5)

We won't lose fairly, but we have to beat the margin of fraud, and they're going to be running every scheme they can this year.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 07:31 AM (J+mig)

56 No grading curve for who'd bring the best 1st lady to the White House?

Posted by: Roscoe at March 04, 2016 07:31 AM (lHpdV)

57 ace is posting before I go to work.

I am frightened and confused.

Continues making the strategic mistake of telling people what he actually believes and what he'd actually do, which our current culture reads as "insincerity" and "sanctimony."

Yup.

Hayek Ducks is a great band name by the by.

The clown stuff is pure poetry.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 07:32 AM (IrByp)

58 Continued playing to his core supporters of...elderly public masturbators.

*****

Yay! Finally a demographic which allows old guys to try their hand at politics!

Eat your hearts out, Soccer Moms™

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 04, 2016 07:32 AM (NeFrd)

59 Luntz's group rated a Cruz line as the best of the night with 96% approval rating. I'm trying to remember which.

The lowest points were those where Rubio kept hitting Trump on Trump University as well as Trump's responses. Cruz's admonishment about "Is this what we want?" got high marks following that.

Of the 25 in the focus group, 18 thought Kasich won by not engaging in the sniping. 6 thought Cruz won. 1 thought Trump won and none thought Rubio won.

The majority walked into the room as Trump voters.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 07:32 AM (8PbKi)

60 ace is posting before I go to work.

I am frightened and confused.

****

And he was on the ONT a well

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 07:33 AM (8PbKi)

61 I watched that very same clown show last week.

I thought it was very uplifting. Heart warming even.

I think clowns are getting a bad rap.

Especially mime clowns. They are the best.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at March 04, 2016 07:33 AM (X+nFp)

62 "His answers to questions about Trump University and the budget were somewhat uncomfortable to watch, in much the same way that it is uncomfortable to watch a bus full of circus clowns crash into a school for blind children..."

Dang, Ace.

Posted by: sinalco at March 04, 2016 07:34 AM (yODqO)

63 Romney thought the media liked him, that was his problem. He wasn't prepared to go to war against them and Obama, and it cost him the election, but more importantly it cost us even more.

He let Candy fat roll him into failure - if he can't handle a hack like her - he should retire quietly and never talk about politics again.

Posted by: Reality Man at March 04, 2016 07:34 AM (Ch0fq)

64 I hate conspiracy theories but it seems like Rubio was on a kamikaze mission last night. He seemed more intent on taking Trump down than on winning the debate.

Works for me.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 07:35 AM (/tuJf)

65 Morning horde. Happy Friday!

*now off to change minds by calling them names and being a general dick while feeling superior because MY pick is the right pick and if you don't agree you're an idiot dammit!

*kicks dog

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 04, 2016 07:35 AM (karKh)

66 That should endear him to Millenials, right?

Posted by: sinalco

And not just them.

Posted by: Spalding at March 04, 2016 07:35 AM (3e8zv)

67 I stopped paying attention to Luntz after nearly every one of his post debate polls turned out to be terribly wrong when it came time for people to vote.

I figured it was all an act at that point.

Posted by: Reality Man at March 04, 2016 07:35 AM (Ch0fq)

68 I believe someone owes us about a week's worth of "Invade Italy" journal entries . . .

Posted by: MTF at March 04, 2016 07:35 AM (TxJGV)

69 ...much the same way that it is uncomfortable to watch a bus full of circus clowns crash into a school for blind children and even worse the clowns were doing their "Gasoline Comedy" act that day and now all the blind children are on fire and the clowns are trying to squirt water on them with their stupid lapel-flowers but the flowers are just squirting out more gas and the children are crying tears of fire...

--

Ace must have some really interesting dreams.

As for the "debate," I refused to watch. However, Donald's evolving views on immigration (the #1 issue that launched him into the voter stratosphere) are extremely troubling. It's the only reason I would've dragged myself to the polls in Nov to vote for him, should he wind up the nominee.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 04, 2016 07:35 AM (pVkEV)

70 Romney need to go home sit in front of the TV, watch 2x10E6 reruns of I Love Lucy and STFU.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:35 AM (t2KH5)

71 60+ So like a Rubio second/third.

Dayum that's some funny shit up there to start the day!

Posted by: Weasel at March 04, 2016 07:36 AM (6xtq3)

72 I hate this election.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 07:37 AM (J+mig)

73 The real big loser is our country.

I'm growing a little tired of the cheerleading for effete attack dogs like Rubio and Romney. Rubio's mission is clear. He has no path to the nomination and his job is to take down Trump. Period. He's become a full-time, page-boy Twink for the Establishment. He's a loathsome piece of garbage and a handmaiden of the party.

These, by the way are the same people who gave us McCain and Romney and they Must. Not. Have. Trump. It's personal with them and they would rather not have the candidate of the "dumb" and "downtrodden" even if it destroys the country. These people are evil and need to be stamped out like a bad contagion of the Clap.

Cruz sounded like a bad cereal commercial. He sounds canned and insincere. He's either over prepped really underwhelming- and I like Cruz.

Kasich, beyond sounding like he's dropping acid or just came from a Cheeba Party actually made some good points and was on the right track. That's just sad' Like the day after a four Joint smoke, sad.

Trump is just, eh, Trump. He's light on details and long on promises. Oh yeah and long in insults.

I said before the Republican Party is becoming a suicide pact- and I meant it. There is no hope when people who allege to be "conservatives" state they are going to vote for Hillary, or sit hone in their mom's basement because fucking boo-hoo they don't like Trump.

I'm going to vote for the guy who is the nominee who has the best chance of winning. By the way, that chance of winning is diminished every day, not by the Democrats, but by the half-ass bunch of dopey, unreasonable, under-read, self ingratiating, dumbasses who mostly call themselves 'Republicans".

Posted by: Marcus T at March 04, 2016 07:37 AM (GGCsk)

74 68 I believe someone owes us about a week's worth of "Invade Italy" journal entries . . .
Posted by: MTF at March 04, 2016 07:35 AM (TxJGV)

Could be he's trying his hand at politics...

Posted by: 7Mike at March 04, 2016 07:37 AM (pxwEr)

75 Projected themed picture for the day:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jdgjsqk

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 07:37 AM (w4NZ8)

76 Was that really a debate though? Having a bit of experience in this area it looked more like a Booking Room with 4 Cops going in and out trying to get the
Suspect to confess.

Did they gain enough evidence to go ahead and make the arrest? I don't think so. They came close but the perp will walk this time.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 07:38 AM (WVsWD)

77 We were all pretty outraged when Candy Crowley took it upon herself to be the debate fact checker, right? How about Megyn Kelly, prosecutor? Or Fox News having attack graphics at the ready for one candidate?

Re: the military, isn't it already an open secret that we leave terrorists in the custody of our allies that have a less enlightened view on prisoners' rights? Do we want instead for terrorists to instead be read their Miranda rights as soon as they're captured? Do you really expect Trump to lose votes because he's too tough on terrorists?

I'm pretty sure that the anti-waterboarding "consensus" doesn't hold among the actual electorate.

Posted by: Jake at March 04, 2016 07:38 AM (EHy75)

78 WOW!! Great article, I laughed out loud 3 times..... thanks ace!

Posted by: Dirty Randy at March 04, 2016 07:38 AM (jjaLl)

79 They haven't even started on cruze yet.... the focus of the MSM now is trump, once he is out of the way then will see what happens with cruze.

I would be willing to bet that with the LIVs out there maybe 50% even know who the hell he is. The MSM will get the chance to define him for the LIV, that is the problem. That is what scares me.

Posted by: E.T. at March 04, 2016 07:38 AM (yq4gk)

80 Trump is winning the drudge poll... guarantee that he stumps today saying "I won all the polls last night for the debate".

He's popular because of the wall, immigration. He hedged on that last night again - if you have trump supporting friends, make them explain this hedge... because it sounds an awful lot like the art of the deal has been evoked.

Posted by: Reality Man at March 04, 2016 07:39 AM (Ch0fq)

81 "By the way, that chance of winning is diminished every day, not by the Democrats, but by the half-ass bunch of dopey, unreasonable, under-read, self ingratiating, dumbasses who mostly call themselves 'Republicans".

No they are right to call themselves republicans. It's just that most of us are not. Most of us are Conservatives first and for most.

It is us the people that are the true RINO's.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 07:40 AM (WVsWD)

82 c'mon people now! smile on your brother.....everybody get together....try to love one another right now! -john kasich

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 04, 2016 07:41 AM (0O7c5)

83 I watched that very same clown show last week.

I thought it was very uplifting. Heart warming even.

I think clowns are getting a bad rap.

Especially mime clowns. They are the best.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at March 04, 2016 07:33 AM (X+nFp)

*flamethrows*

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 07:41 AM (IrByp)

84 Drudge is classic this morning

Posted by: MTF at March 04, 2016 07:41 AM (TxJGV)

85 Liberty Under Law

The Magna Carta established that freedom and the rule of law could only properly exist when both exist and are respected.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=11022

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 04, 2016 07:41 AM (vBeA5)

86 Maybe next week I'll get caught up.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 04, 2016 07:42 AM (NeFrd)

87 Alternate debate: Vince McMahon and Don King on plush settees discuss heuristics, the continuing contrafactual appeal of Marxist dialectic, and whether T.S. Eliot's more spiritual poetry can still be considered apolitical...

while hitting each other in the ballsack with folding chairs.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 04, 2016 07:44 AM (1xUj/)

88 Re Romney. Do you know what Mormons believe? I can give you other cloud God guys some props for shit that happened 1500, 2100 or 6000 years ago , but damn, what about I'll take gold tablets in a new York State field in the 1840's, Alex?

Posted by: Jake from Planet State Farm at March 04, 2016 07:44 AM (msVAP)

89 Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 07:41 AM (IrByp)

Good Morning AtC.

Wanna see the spider I found in the back room?

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at March 04, 2016 07:44 AM (X+nFp)

90 Has Lunt's ever been right about anything? He's worse than Rove.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at March 04, 2016 07:44 AM (jN+3o)

91 Trump and Kasich accomplished what they wanted. Trump is preparing to beat Hillary. This debate didn't change anything. It just firmed up what everyone believed going in. Trump gets some of Rubio's voters. Kasich is hoping for a game changer. Cruz did well but is still loosing to Trump. Rubio lost when he came across as a johnny-come-lately. See the O Brother movie Pappy O Daniel. Rubio is his own midget.

Posted by: scorecard at March 04, 2016 07:44 AM (CzhL0)

92 What exactly does Trump bring to the table now that is of benefit? He hasn't walked back or softened his desire to kick China in the ass, so there's that. But this immigration thing was the defining cornerstone of his campaign. He's likely walking it back, to where he probably truly stands, because the NYT will undoubtedly release the interview showing him saying exactly what he was telegraphing last night.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 04, 2016 07:44 AM (pVkEV)

93 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 04, 2016 07:42 AM (NeFrd)

In the meantime could you please throw out some puns to lighten the atmosphere. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 07:44 AM (w4NZ8)

94
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 07:31 AM (w4NZ

Fenelon, thank you. You're very kind. I hadn't actually given the idea any thought, mainly because I dislike talking to a group of people. But I do need something to jump-start my imagination and get me back to writing, so perhaps that would be a way to ease back into old Hollywood.

Speaking of which, I'm sure I must have posted this pic of Gloria Swanson, but here it is again, as it's one of my faves:

http://goo.gl/OR6lgK

It's a still from the 1928 movie Sadie Thompson, in which Swanson plays a San Francisco hooker who has traveled to Pago Pago to start a new life. She ends up entangled with an army sergeant who wants to marry her and an American missionary (played by Lionel Barrymore) who both fears and desires her. It's considered to be one of Swanson's best movies. There was also a 1997 operatic version of the story.

I like the picture because of Swanson's iciness (while I dislike bitchy women, the classic English coolness has always intrigued me), and the stunning clearness of her eyes.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 04, 2016 07:46 AM (X6fMO)

95 That pic at Drudge of Donald...what's he doing, conjuring up the Devil?

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 04, 2016 07:46 AM (pVkEV)

96 In fact, I'm going to move Mormon to my sure-fire list of conversation starters here. The greatest hits of male circumcision, HPV vaccination in Texas, and DJT.

Posted by: Jake from Planet State Farm at March 04, 2016 07:46 AM (msVAP)

97 I didn't see the debate.

If I'm reading this right, the outsider didn't have the smoothly prepared answers that the establishment candidates had.

A fucking crime...

Since I firmly believe that the only thing that will save this country is radical change, I'll need to reassess my voting decision based on this new information.

Posted by: jwest at March 04, 2016 07:46 AM (Zs4uk)

98 I turned to my wife towards the end and said

Kasich could win if he looked at camera and said 'What the ever-living fuck is wrong with these (points to his right) guys.?

-

And op cit.. JackStraw's Romney observation.

Posted by: BumpetStickerist at March 04, 2016 07:47 AM (mVjMU)

99 *gestures frantically with sad face at very, very short woman*

Posted by: Marcel Marceau at March 04, 2016 07:47 AM (fbovC)

100 See, this is why I always stop here first for my political commentary and insight. Ace, you are the limit.

Posted by: -Shawn- at March 04, 2016 07:47 AM (N7jvU)

101 >>>95 That pic at Drudge of Donald...what's he doing, conjuring up the Devil?

Makes me think of the big rock guy from Neverending Story.

"These are big...strong...hands."

Posted by: El Kabong at March 04, 2016 07:47 AM (MCmqp)

102 I'm coming up, so you'd better get this party started.

Posted by: Pink at March 04, 2016 07:48 AM (msVAP)

103
Is Ace posting from Scores again...?

*brushes glitter off of keyboard*

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at March 04, 2016 07:49 AM (Qj6zv)

104 All righty then. I'm out before the unpleasant a**holes trash the joint. Later.

Endeavor to persevere.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 04, 2016 07:49 AM (NeFrd)

105 That pic at Drudge of Donald...what's he doing, conjuring up the Devil?

***

He's telling us that he has beautiful hands, and a big dick.

I'm not kidding.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 07:49 AM (8PbKi)

106 Marco Rubio B?

Don't agree...

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 07:49 AM (WnCSK)

107 They have not figured out the best way to get at Trump would be to talk about the issues. Rubio was too busy with his Angry, Unreasonable Cuban Schtick to realize that his over caffeinated, impolite, interrupting rants made the entire stage look like a clown show.

Trump didn't take it there. The Establishment candidate did.

They would rather lose than lose their place. Which is on their knees in front of Democrats.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 04, 2016 07:50 AM (GGCsk)

108 Cruz gets and A+ for booger eating.

Trump wins every post debate online poll.

Ace pushed Romney last time.

Posted by: Just say no...to boogers at March 04, 2016 07:51 AM (BWT7V)

109 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 04, 2016 07:46 AM (X6fMO)

It can be difficult to get up in front of people if you're not used to it, but you let the material do the talking. You have so much funny, interesting stuff that you might be able to make some money from it/ My friend went to a talk at the library on "Lenni Lenape Indians" and that guy made a living from going around the state/states doing this. If you have the funds and get some to do it you could have a power point thing. Give it a snappy title and consider presenting it to the library for their approval.

On the other hand, who am I to make suggestions-but I would attend if i were in your area.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 07:51 AM (w4NZ8)

110 Aha! Just remembered which Cruz line scored so highly. It was the one about 60 years of failed Dem policies in Detroit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 07:51 AM (8PbKi)

111 Rubio is a "B" alright if you consider that short for bas****d. The people in FL that know him say he is a lying backstabbing SOB. You can not believe a word he says.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:51 AM (t2KH5)

112 95 He's practicing 'Kasich Hands'.

Posted by: Weasel at March 04, 2016 07:52 AM (6xtq3)

113 ...What exactly does Trump bring to the table now...

Trump expects to win the nomination and is preparing to win the general election. Tack to the center. Sad commentary where the center is now. Trump is no longer trying to reason. He is playing politics by Dems rules. We will soon find out if he knows what he is doing. Trump is as honest and forthright as Obama, McCain, Romney, Clinton (both), ... Trump just told most of the people here that it just wasn't working out and we should start dating other people.

Posted by: scorecard at March 04, 2016 07:52 AM (jN+3o)

114 "Marco Rubio B?

Don't agree..."

I should clarify...from a Florida perspective, he was the biggest loser of the night.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 07:52 AM (WnCSK)

115 Cruz is a little like a Book of Mormon character. Maybe Elder Price "Hello- Eternal life is super fun!"

Posted by: MTF at March 04, 2016 07:53 AM (TxJGV)

116 Tolerance is a virtue of the man without conviction.

Posted by: G K Chesterton at March 04, 2016 07:53 AM (msVAP)

117 The Democrats are fielding two of the worst candidates in history. An avowed communist and an unindicted felon. And the RNCe is setting up TRYING to lose to them.

I just can not believe this shit.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:54 AM (t2KH5)

118 Posted by: Just say no...to boogers at March 04, 2016 07:51 AM (BWT7V)

O.K. I have to say it. This kind of comment just sounds sophomoric; I sure it energizes a certain kind of Trump supporter but come on.....

Do you really think a 45 year old man is eating his "boogers. Maybe he just wiped his nose and then wiped his mouth.

Are the primaries over yet?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 07:54 AM (w4NZ8)

119 Kasich has the policies which will have us twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.

Posted by: Kodos at March 04, 2016 07:55 AM (NDVSb)

120 We are all clowns today.And to show our solidarity;

#CLOWNLIVESMATTER

Posted by: Marcus T at March 04, 2016 07:56 AM (GGCsk)

121 Good news is that Cruz comes in second in the Drudge poll...

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 07:56 AM (WnCSK)

122 Trump wins every post debate online poll.

Heh.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 07:56 AM (rwI+c)

123 Donald Trump: F. Obi-Wan voice: "You were the Chosen One!" Why would you throw away the one thing that made your campaign? He's now my second choice.
__________________________

When Trump first started saying he would build a wall and deport illegal aliens, and too many criminals have been swarming across our southern border from Mexico and that Mexico is complicit in this, and that Mexico should pay for the border wall -- voters responded. They were thrilled that some politician was finally saying what they've been thinking and saying for years now. But Trump seemed to believe that the voters were thrilled by him personally, instead of just by what he was saying about immigration and border security. He convinced himself that voters were in love with him, instead of with his hard-line stance on illegal immigration, and he started thinking he could do no wrong.

If he keeps back-pedaling on immigration, he'll start losing primaries. And he probably still won't understand why.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 04, 2016 07:56 AM (df5V4)

124 I just can not believe this shit.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:54 AM (t2KH5)

Why? Evidence dating back to 1988 has been pointing to this direction all along. Hell if you really want to look at it it goes back to Watergate.

The donktards didn't force Nixon out. repukelikans did.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 07:56 AM (WVsWD)

125 Aha! Just remembered which Cruz line scored so highly. It was the one about 60 years of failed Dem policies in Detroit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 07:51 AM (8PbKi)

It would be nice if they spent their time on the shit shape of the country due to what Barry, the Dems and Vichy Republicans have done as opposed to the idiotic crap they waste their time on. Talk about why people are pissed and think the country is a mess and getting worse.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 04, 2016 07:57 AM (45oDG)

126 People hate her. Vote for who you like and forget about this "we need a winner" shit. It has NEVER been accurate anyway.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:30 AM (t2KH5)

People hate her, but they think Trump is clinically insane. The public will pick the devil they know over a guy who is as unpredictable and incoherent as Trump.

Every Democrat in the country who bothered to watch last night undoubtably made popcorn, laughed hysterically and thought " Look at these fools! We have this in the bag."

And I can't blame them. I think they do too.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 07:57 AM (P8951)

127 Pick your poison.

Poison A.

Repukes don't have what it takes to fight the tards.

Poison B

Repukes are on board with the tard agenda.

Same result in the end.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 07:58 AM (WVsWD)

128 Trump didn't have prepared answers like establishment candidates? Did I read someone say that?

Trump's problem is he doesn't even know his own proposals... or worse yet, he knows them, but is open to changing them mid campaign.

Art of the Deal my friends... Art of the Deal.

Posted by: Reality Man at March 04, 2016 07:58 AM (Ch0fq)

129 >>>Trump wins every post debate online poll.

#Winning

/delete cookies, revote

#Winning

/repeat 1,000 times

Posted by: El Kabong at March 04, 2016 07:58 AM (MCmqp)

130 Just remember, the GOP establishment hates Cruz more than Trump.

Trump is the target because he has the lead, but if he slips, all the vitriol and hate will be focused on Cruz.

The only hope for the people to regain control of the republican party is for Trump and Cruz to come together. Otherwise, we'll see a backroom, closed door nomination at the convention that would make a democrat official blush.

Posted by: jwest at March 04, 2016 07:58 AM (Zs4uk)

131 Trump was right about one thing: he could kill someone on live television and his supporters would still vote for him. They don't care if he's a bombastic fool and they don't care if he goes down in flames in debates. This performance will make no difference. The only hope is for some of the non-Trumps to go and it might be too late even if that happens.

Posted by: Motorhead at March 04, 2016 07:58 AM (HeAei)

132 lol.. thanks, Ace.. a good morning starter..

Can you believe some of the online polls gave it to Trump.. winning by YUUGE amounts..

lol

I think Kasich will be the winner votewise.. But last night was like.. well.. kinda like your clown paragraph, really..

I hope this breaks the Trump bubble.. but probably not.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 04, 2016 07:59 AM (UpGcq)

133 Hmmm. Trump falters in debate last night This morning....

https://twitter.com/Tomhillen?lang=en

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 08:00 AM (8PbKi)

134 "Conservatives" have been neutered in Congress, and not allowed to fight for policy- at all.

With Trump, they WILL have a voice and prominent place at the table.

With Hillary, Conservatives will be stomped into a fine powder and blown off the table.

Choose wisely, Trump-haters.

Posted by: zzBottom at March 04, 2016 08:00 AM (mn0Jm)

135 Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 04, 2016 07:56 AM

Agreed.

Posted by: mega machines at March 04, 2016 08:00 AM (fbovC)

136 122 Trump wins every post debate online poll.
______________________

Ron Paul used to win every online poll too.

That's how he became the Republican nominee! (In his dreams)

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 04, 2016 08:00 AM (df5V4)

137
Ace up early and stomping on my news links.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 07:16 AM (t2KH5)

But at least he stomped on them hilariously.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:00 AM (NPofj)

138 I hope this breaks the Trump bubble.. but probably not.

***

See my last comment

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 08:00 AM (8PbKi)

139 In the meantime could you please throw out some puns to lighten the atmosphere. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Toss a few fastballs right over the plate. Don't leave any hanging curveballs for the horde to hit.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 08:01 AM (utT6Q)

140 Holy shit i have not laughed that hard in years. The trump part was comedy gold.

Posted by: Hmitchell3rd at March 04, 2016 08:02 AM (G0t7U)

141 Ron Paul always killed it in online polls as well. They are worthless.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 08:03 AM (P8951)

142 Go forth today, by the help of God's Spirit, vowing and declaring that in life - come poverty, come wealth, in death - come pain or come what may, you are and ever must be the Lord's. For this is written on your heart, 'We love Him because He first loved us.'

Author: Charles Spurgeon-Evangelist

Catch some of you you on the thread with the beautiful art

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 08:04 AM (w4NZ8)

143 Clinton's tax hikes on the rich would raise $1.1 trillion over 10 years

Just like that. And her pals like Warren Buffett won't be dodging all of those new taxes just like he does the current ones. Again Republicans, take aim over that way

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 04, 2016 08:04 AM (45oDG)

144 wow, porta "I didn't watch the debate but I'm sure Trump did great" in here this morning

Posted by: flashoverride at March 04, 2016 08:04 AM (G9gd2)

145 ...RNCe is setting up TRYING to lose to them...

GOPe has a conflict of interest.
Remember Hastert?
That is what happens to R's that cross D.
Nixon really didn't do anything that hadn't been done before. His sin was that he was an R.
Remember DA going after Perry?
Remember Martha Stewart?
Remember Scooter Libby?

The US Federal Government is less corrupt than China.
May be less corrupt than Russia but it is a close thing.
Sad. George Washington would cross a river and kill them as they slept. On Christmas. As a present.

Posted by: scorecard at March 04, 2016 08:04 AM (CzhL0)

146 Hmmm. Trump falters in debate last night This morning....

--

Groan. Either they didn't watch last night, or they did and don't care.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 04, 2016 08:05 AM (pVkEV)

147 If he keeps back-pedaling on immigration, he'll start losing primaries. And he probably still won't understand why.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 04, 2016 07:56 AM (df5V4)

Sometimes a blind mouse still finds the cheese, I guess.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:05 AM (J+mig)

148 Ace, you okay? Those dark circles under your eyes are unbecoming.

Posted by: creeper at March 04, 2016 08:05 AM (+7iN8)

149 My grading scale is much harsher:

Ted Cruz, winner: C-. Showed up, looked competent, is too much of a lawyer for his own good.

Donald
Trump: F. Obi-Wan voice: "You were the Chosen One!" Why would you throw
away the one thing that made your campaign? He's now my second choice.

Kasich: Z. You have no path to victory. Go home.

Rubio: Horse head in his bed. Never Rubio. Ever. For any reason. Just ask a Floridian.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 07:23 AM (J+mig)

I am intrigued by your scoring (and mostly agree).

I was amused by Dad Ted popping out to calm Trump.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:06 AM (NPofj)

150 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 04, 2016 08:06 AM (ZQfW9)

151 Morning

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:06 AM (mw8Dm)

152 With Trump, they WILL have a voice and prominent place at the table.

Wishcasting, blank screen etc. Except for immigration, maybe, Trump is a liberal Republican at best. A centerist Democrat at worst.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 08:06 AM (rwI+c)

153 Cruz ate a booger on national TV

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 04, 2016 07:24 AM (2kjDY)

No

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:07 AM (NPofj)

154 If Trump is so bad than Cruz will cruise to the nomination now.No need to worry.

Posted by: steevy at March 04, 2016 08:07 AM (B48dK)

155 Trump is using the Art of the Deal on his supporters. As soon as he has their votes he'll turn on them.

The problem is he thinks he's on the Romney path to the nomination and his work is essentially done. The difference is that Romney was at least somewhat acceptable to a very sizable majority of the party. Trump is acceptable (not preferred, but acceptable) to a bare majority.

He's revealing himself too early. He misjudged his timing. He wants this to be over, but Cruz and Rubio don't think it's over just yet and are fighting tooth and nail. Also, the Establishment doesn't like Trump very much. I don't think it's because of too many of his policy positions (he's obviously a squish on immigration), but his demeanor. They want someone calm and reassuring, which Trump is not and never will be. On top of that, the Establishment does want to win in November, and Trump consistently polls below Hillary. They just want to win with Rubio instead of Cruz.

So, he's got too little support amongst the party itself while the power brokers are doing everything they can to stop him. His gambit to lie to the Republican Party wasn't poorly thought out, it was just poorly timed.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 04, 2016 08:08 AM (rJSDb)

156 "His answers to questions about Trump University and the budget were somewhat uncomfortable to watch, in much the same way that it is uncomfortable to watch a bus full of circus clowns crash into a school for blind children and even worse the clowns were doing their "Gasoline Comedy" act that day and now all the blind children are on fire and the clowns are trying to squirt water on them with their stupid lapel-flowers but the flowers are just squirting out more gas and the children are crying tears of fire out of their Unseeing Dead Eyes and holy shit a couple of the clowns look like they have boners and they're chasing around the fiery blind children trying to rub up on them with these bobbling clown-boners with big red bulbs on their tips."

You don't get it. I'm sick of playing the part of the blind child. I want to see Trump be the clown and Hillary and Ryan be the blind. Child. This is just another endorsement.

Posted by: angela urkel at March 04, 2016 08:08 AM (FYBdm)

157 Sometimes a blind mouse still finds the cheese, I guess.

Per Style Guide: Even a blind squirrel fucks a pumplin twice a day.

And submit royalties to AtC for that.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 04, 2016 08:08 AM (1xUj/)

158 Israeli ambassador to Egypt Haim Koren expressed regret on Thursday about the decision to oust Egyptian MP Tawfik Okasha from parliament because of their meeting.

And the Egyptians have a 'Peace" Treaty with Israel and are "Moderates"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:08 AM (mw8Dm)

159 I was amused by Dad Ted popping out to calm Trump.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:06 AM (NPofj)

Thats because they are in this together. They always have been.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 08:08 AM (WVsWD)

160 yup.. they're lining up this morning like the good little Trump-bots they are..

Lord, save us...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 04, 2016 08:08 AM (UpGcq)

161 Hysterical.

About as decorous as these things deserve, IMO

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at March 04, 2016 08:09 AM (3ZtZW)

162 Remind me again why I am supposed to hate him?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 07:22 AM (/tuJf)

No.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 04, 2016 08:09 AM (dH97I)

163 If Trump is so bad than Cruz will cruise to the nomination now.No need to worry.

Two terms for the SCoaMF suggest otherwise.

You say you want a Conservative candidate
You got a Conservative candidate
You will vote for a Liberal

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 08:09 AM (rwI+c)

164 Cruz ate a booger on national TV

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 04, 2016 07:24 AM (2kjDY)

No

***

They were speculating on FNC this morning that it was a piece of Altoid

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 08:09 AM (8PbKi)

165 You don't get it. I'm sick of playing the part of the blind child. I want to see Trump be the clown and Hillary and Ryan be the blind. Child. This is just another endorsement.
Posted by: angela urkel
............
The fuq?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 04, 2016 08:10 AM (UpGcq)

166 they're lining up this morning like the good little Trump-bots they are..

Lord, save us...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 04, 2016 08:08 AM (UpGcq)

And your supporting whom?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:10 AM (mw8Dm)

167 Trumpbot equals Unperson?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 08:10 AM (WVsWD)

168 Ace debate analysis and snark instead of a morning thread? Where am I?

I blame Twitter, or lack thereof.

And Zack got a comment in at 05:24 AM on a post timestamped 7:15? Now I know this is all alien intervention. (Pulls Mylar-wrapped Stetson down hard on head.)

[Cruz] Continues making the strategic mistake of telling people what he actually believes and what he'd actually do, which our current culture reads as "insincerity" and "sanctimony."

This is why we are doomed.

Howdy, morningstars.

Posted by: mindful webworker - early to rise at March 04, 2016 08:10 AM (j+h+K)

169 On the lighter side I want all you Honor Harrington fans to check out the new comics. And especially the cover on this one which is a comic version of On Basilisk Station..

http://tinyurl.com/hfmntgj

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 08:11 AM (t2KH5)

170 Except for immigration, maybe, Trump is a liberal Republican at best. A centerist Democrat at worst.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 08:06 AM (rwI+c)

Immigration's looking pretty iffy right now, isn't it?

The man's only fixed belief is that Donald Trump should be running things. And that if you don't agree with that you're a loser.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 08:11 AM (P8951)

171 154 If Trump is so bad than Cruz will cruise to the nomination now.No need to worry.
Posted by: steevy at March 04, 2016 08:07 AM (B48dK)

Clearly. Cruz has this locked up. Especially Ohio, and if I know anything, it's voting patterns in Ohio. Ask the Romney 2012 campaign.

Posted by: Karl Rove Poll-o-matic v.2012 at March 04, 2016 08:12 AM (dH97I)

172
Even a blind squirrel fucks a pumpkin twice a day.

You know who this benefits?

Posted by: The Chicken at March 04, 2016 08:12 AM (X6fMO)

173 A centerist Democrat at worst.

there are NO more "centerest" Democrats. Scoop Jackson died and Joe Lieberman was thrown out of the Party. Didn't you get that memo?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:13 AM (mw8Dm)

174 170 Immigration's looking pretty iffy right now, isn't it?

The man's only fixed belief is that Donald Trump should be running things. And that if you don't agree with that you're a loser.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 08:11 AM (P8951)

Yes, and yes. Which is why everything is negotiable, except Trump being in power.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 04, 2016 08:13 AM (rJSDb)

175 If anyone didn't realize that Obama was a .... in 2012 and couldn't be bothered to vote for the complete opposite then that's on them. Trump has attacked everyone short of Mother Teresa so far this election, you excited about voting for him?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 07:28 AM (/tuJf)

You do realize you are talking about the Romney that created the blueprint for Obamacare? The one who after he lost has bragged about how it was the blueprint. How has suddenly lost his anti-illegal zeal. He got slaughtered by Obama the last two debates. His Russia comment was stupid because it was only half right. Russia isn't some existential threat. They are a competitor. Had he said it that way, Obama couldn't have used his 80's called line.

Romney would have been better than Obama. But, he would have continued the policies that the base has been voting against (vast immigration, poor trade policies).

Posted by: WOPR at March 04, 2016 08:13 AM (LTDSy)

176 What stuck out of the debate for me (aside from Trump's TMI about his wang) was Trump's assertion that young Americans don't want to work summer jobs at luxury beach resorts. Are You F--kin' Kidding Me?

Posted by: V the K at March 04, 2016 08:14 AM (O7MnT)

177

Nice wrap up.

Totally agree on the grades except I would have gone higher for Kasich. He fumbled a bit, but not too bad.

And, if you want a Certificate of Deception from Trump University, go to TedCruz.org

http://bit.ly/1VTzi7H

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:14 AM (qCMvj)

178 I think for a significant minority of Trump supporters, his bombastic nature is a feature, not a bug. GOPe Delenda Est and all of that.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 04, 2016 08:14 AM (PFy0L)

179 Wonder what these debates would be like if the audience was taken out of it?
I'd like to see one like this when you don't have all of the screaming morons and we could actually learn what some of these candidates really offer to get America back on the rails; and which federal prison Hillary will got to.

Posted by: Sam Seventy-Eight at March 04, 2016 08:14 AM (ki9ch)

180 176
What stuck out of the debate for me (aside from Trump's TMI about his
wang) was Trump's assertion that young Americans don't want to work
summer jobs at luxury beach resorts. Are You F--kin' Kidding Me?

Posted by: V the K at March 04, 2016 08:14 AM (O7MnT)

My impression lately has been that young Americans don't want to work anywhere.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 08:15 AM (t2KH5)

181

I would have rated Fox an F.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:15 AM (qCMvj)

182 122
Trump wins every post debate online poll.

Heh.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 07:56 AM

~~~~~

Just like Ron Paul did.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 04, 2016 08:15 AM (E6RIJ)

183 I was expecting Trump to tell us what a magnificent, spectacular and beautiful penis he has. Instead, it's "there's no problem there, believe me". Who ever said this guy isn't modest?

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 04, 2016 08:15 AM (XQtfF)

184 141 Ron Paul always killed it in online polls as well. They are worthless.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 08:03 AM (P8951)

How many primary states did Ron Paul win?

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 04, 2016 08:15 AM (dH97I)

185 For all the talk about how Trump is a total wildcard who'll do whatever he wants, which is at least somewhat if not mostly true, it amazes me that Rubio has never mustered as strong an anti-movement when he's a known betrayer. This is a man who campaigned on secure borders then turned around and joined the Gang of 8.

Rubio must not win the nomination. The man is completely unprincipled and there's no telling what he'll do with power when he gets it. He's dangerous.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:15 AM (J+mig)

186 Clearly. Cruz has this locked up. Especially Ohio, and if I know anything, it's voting patterns in Ohio. Ask the Romney 2012 campaign.
Posted by: Karl Rove Poll-o-matic v.2012 at March 04, 2016 08:12 AM (dH97I)

I hate to say this but Romney lost Ohio because Kasich became governor. We actually ended up with semi-competent leadership and not the Dems who were burning through the state budget for hookers and coke. It helped the state economy which hurt Romney.

Posted by: WOPR at March 04, 2016 08:16 AM (LTDSy)

187 178 I think for a significant minority of Trump supporters, his bombastic nature is a feature, not a bug. GOPe Delenda Est and all of that.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 04, 2016 08:14 AM (PFy0L)

==============

Yup. It might explain their relative blindness to Trump's unorthodoxies and heresies against the very issue they usually say is their main (if not sole) reason for voting for him. They want the strong man who speaks for them. It doesn't matter if he follows through or not, at least not at this point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 04, 2016 08:16 AM (rJSDb)

188 You don't get it. I'm sick of playing the part of
the blind child. I want to see Trump be the clown and Hillary and Ryan
be the blind. Child. This is just another endorsement.

Posted by: angela urkel at March 04, 2016 08:08 AM (FYBdm)

Nothing says "not a blind child" like throwing a tantrum because you don't want to hear that your guy lied to you FROM YOUR GUY.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:16 AM (NPofj)

189 *opens Dwarven Book of Grudges*

*scribble scribble scribble*

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 08:16 AM (mf5HN)

190 I would have rated Fox an F.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:15 AM (qCMvj)

They're off my letter chart. I had to come up with some new ones. They're actually below Horse Head.

Fox's grade is Tar Feathers.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:17 AM (J+mig)

191 Trumpbot equals Unperson?

===

Yes. Always did.

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at March 04, 2016 08:17 AM (3ZtZW)

192 What stuck out of the debate for me (aside from Trump's TMI about his wang) was Trump's assertion that young Americans don't want to work summer jobs at luxury beach resorts. Are You F--kin' Kidding Me?
Posted by: V the K at March 04, 2016 08:14 AM (O7MnT)

Not defending trump here, but just curious how old are you? I am 61 and sure growing up I would have killed for a job like that maybe? I did physical labor a few times and made a small fortune, but that's just an aside. Today, I am not so sure some of these "Kids" do actually want to work and if they do, not so sure they have the correct attitude. Ya know going into a job with the attitude that "Hey you OWE me this job" just does not cut it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:17 AM (mw8Dm)

193 damned ampersands.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:17 AM (J+mig)

194 So, you are saying that Cruz could actually win this thing if he gets more delegates than Trump and the GOP puts the full resources of the party behind him.

That could happen.

Posted by: Willard Willabee at March 04, 2016 08:17 AM (r3Not)

195 Guess who has all the GOP donors sewn up

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/02/hillary-clinton-backed-major-republican-donors.html

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:17 AM (cbfNE)

196 For all the talk about how Trump is a total wildcard
who'll do whatever he wants, which is at least somewhat if not mostly
true, it amazes me that Rubio has never mustered as strong an
anti-movement when he's a known betrayer. This is a man who campaigned
on secure borders then turned around and joined the Gang of 8.

Rubio
must not win the nomination. The man is completely unprincipled and
there's no telling what he'll do with power when he gets it. He's
dangerous.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:15 AM (J+mig)

The anti-Dondi around here is off the charts strong.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:18 AM (NPofj)

197 Oh and no matter what,Fox News is officially dead and buried as far as I am concerned.Their general douchbaggery this whole election season sealed their fate.

Posted by: steevy at March 04, 2016 08:18 AM (B48dK)

198 Just so you all know, I am the only Moron here at CPAC, and I dare anyone and everyone to challenge my supremacy as the official Ace of Spades HQ CPAC representative.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at March 04, 2016 08:18 AM (zhygx)

199 Rubio must not win the nomination.

I think there is little chance, swidt, of that for Mr Third Place.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 08:19 AM (rwI+c)

200 It helped the state economy which hurt Romney.
Posted by: WOPR at March 04, 2016 08:16 AM (LTDSy)

See?! My losing incompetence is actually because the GOP is so good!!! Take that Trumpsters!

Posted by: Karl Rove Poll-o-matic v.2012 at March 04, 2016 08:19 AM (dH97I)

201 Wonder what these debates would be like if the audience was taken out of it?
I'd like to see one like this when you don't have all of the screaming morons

===

The audience is part of the staging.

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at March 04, 2016 08:19 AM (3ZtZW)

202 We actually ended up with semi-competent leadership and not the Dems who were burning through the state budget for hookers and coke.

--

Ah, Ohio. My birthplace and home for the better part of my first 26 years. Where we elected Jerry Springer (speaking of hookers) for mayor of my hometown Cincinnati. Where ultra-leftist Nick Clooney, George's dad, delivered our nightly local news on the boob tube.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 04, 2016 08:19 AM (pVkEV)

203 Just so you all know, I am the only Moron here at CPAC, and I dare anyone and everyone to challenge my supremacy as the official Ace of Spades HQ CPAC representative.
Posted by: @PeeteySDee at March 04, 2016 08:18 AM (zhygx)

I think it is great you are there. I wish I could have gone

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:19 AM (mw8Dm)

204 I think I said this last night - on H1-Bs I don't trust any of the candidates, but I do trust Sessions.

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:19 AM (cbfNE)

205 184... Paul won 16 http://tinyurl.com/oy3bnqp

Posted by: Mr Wizard at March 04, 2016 08:19 AM (X/2ij)

206 Hot hookers at CPAC?

Posted by: steevy at March 04, 2016 08:20 AM (B48dK)

207

Christie is smarting this morning too.
Boy, talk about glazed eyes.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:20 AM (qCMvj)

208 I am the only Moron here at CPAC, and I dare anyone and everyone to challenge my supremacy as the official Ace of Spades HQ CPAC representative.

You should pie someone. But who....

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 08:20 AM (rwI+c)

209 PoPosted by: Karl Rove Poll-o-matic v.2012 at March 04, 2016 08:12 AM

Your sarcasm would be right on the mark if Rove had ever indicated in any way that he supports Cruz.

Cruz is not the Establishment candidate. Trump isn't either. Trump's just fuckin' nuts.

I agree with Ace's fine analysis. We are boned so we might as well laugh about it. Some great jokes came out of the old USSR.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 08:20 AM (P8951)

210 Ted Cruz could end this. He should announce that he will throw his delegates to Donald Trump before allowing this to be decided in Cleveland.

Posted by: cpurick at March 04, 2016 08:21 AM (M4zwh)

211 So let me get this straight.

Right after Sarah "Drill Baby Drill" Palin endorsed him, the Sunday shows have him on video saying that he thinks Obama's "no drill" policy on oil resource development is just fine and there's no need to change it.

Right after Jeff Sessions endorses him because he's the guy in synch with Sessions' immigration ideas, he walks out on the debate stage and says "that Sessions plan is too harsh, anyone in favor of it has no heart, and I won't be doing that."

Am I the only one starting to see a pattern here?

All I have to say is that if you Trumpkins think the GOPe was crapping on you, you ain't seen what a world class, Fabulous, sh*t shower the Donald has in store.

Posted by: SDN at March 04, 2016 08:21 AM (NG7bb)

212 Back in the year 2000, I'm sure some automotive expert/blog writer did a scorecard on the new models...

He probably was upset, because the public was flocking around a car he didn't like. He knew in his heart that if these people would only look at the specification sheets, they would realize what he did, and that the Pontiac Aztek was the best car ever made.

You could lay a full piece of plywood down in the back.

However, the vast majority of the public just didn't like the car. It was hard for the them to point to anything specific, but they knew they weren't going to buy it.

The were not going to buy it.

For some reason, people decided at some base level that, should they need to transport a sheet of plywood, they would cut it in half or tie it to the roof instead of buying a car they didn't like.

Logic never entered into the conversation.

Is this how things should be? Perhaps not.

But that's how they are.

Posted by: jwest at March 04, 2016 08:21 AM (Zs4uk)

213 202 So,did Jerry Springer bring out angry black couples to fight at his press conferences?

Posted by: steevy at March 04, 2016 08:21 AM (B48dK)

214 #152" Except for immigration maybe, Trump is a liberal Republican at best. A centerist Democrat at worst"

What we have right now with McConnell and Ryan is worse and to the left of that. Ryan and McConnell are feckless stubborn cowards who are beholden to the current socialist Administration. Rubio and Cruz have talked and talked and talked but have accomplished nothing with that Congress.

Trump Gets Things Done. He is wired to win and make his shareholders happy. We need a CEO. The time of great orators and sweet talkers who accomplish nothing is over.

Posted by: zzBottom at March 04, 2016 08:21 AM (mn0Jm)

215 "Cruz could actually win this thing if he gets more delegates than Trump and the GOP puts the full resources of the party behind him. "

I think it all depends on Flroida. If Rubio loses, does he get out or stay in to foil Trumps delegate count? Even if he stays in to a brokered convention, I highly doubt they would nominate Rubio. No way he would have a chance in the general without winning Florida in the primary. But then again do they even care?

The question is would they nominate and support Cruz or try go for Kasich or someone else.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:21 AM (WnCSK)

216 We are boned so we might as well laugh about it. Some great jokes came out of the old USSR.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 08:20 AM (P8951)

Yup. Ya hear the one about a Rabbi, Priest and Trump supporter walking into a bar?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:22 AM (mw8Dm)

217 The real question is how fast will the senate move on conviction in the inevitable impeachment of Trump?

Posted by: Mr Wizard at March 04, 2016 08:22 AM (X/2ij)

218 Trump Gets Things Done.

That's my worry.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 08:22 AM (rwI+c)

219 205 184... Paul won 16 http://tinyurl.com/oy3bnqp
Posted by: Mr Wizard at March 04, 2016 08:19 AM (X/2ij)

HOW THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STOLE THE NOMINATION FROM RON PAUL
Party leaders at the county and state level have changed or violated party rules, cancelled caucuses, changed vote counts, thrown out entire counties of votes, counted public votes privately, called-in the SWAT team, and inexplicably replaced Paul delegates with Romney delegates to block Ron Paul from winning the nomination.

Ooooook. [Steps slowly away from the blog.]

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 04, 2016 08:22 AM (dH97I)

220 Rubes.

Uses vast TEA Party support to get his worthless ass elected to the Senate.

Less than 3 Hours after he was elected stated he would not join the TEA Party Caucus.

And no one saw this coming?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 08:23 AM (WVsWD)

221

So Trump released the BBB rating, showing an A.

And thegatewaypundit has a piece on the New York Times claiming they aren't hiding anything in the "tapes" that everyone was going on about last night.

This was a hit piece by Fox like no other outlet.

I'm not a Trump fan, but the debate was a firing squad.

I'm glad it will help Cruz, but they still gave Rubio cover every single chance they could by not asking him tough questions, or tossing out a question that might hurt him, then moving on or mumbling the response for him.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:23 AM (qCMvj)

222 Today, I am not so sure some of these "Kids" do actually want to work and if they do, not so sure they have the correct attitude.

--

Heck, I know many of them in the 18-year old range (same as Jr. Black) who don't even care about getting a driver's license. Ya know, the same thing we couldn't wait for at that age. Many of these kids have no interest.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 04, 2016 08:23 AM (pVkEV)

223 "I'd like to see one like this when you don't have all of the screaming morons "

There was a lot of hooting and hollering from the crowd last night.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 04, 2016 08:23 AM (U1Czt)

224 This is something I didn't know about the party of Lincoln and Reagan
https://daysofchange.wordpress.com/2016/03/03/the-party-of-who/

(Note the blogger is actually a fervent anti-Trumper)

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:23 AM (cbfNE)

225 Trump's assertion that young Americans don't want to work summer jobs at luxury beach resorts. Are You F--kin' Kidding Me?Posted by:�V the K�at March 04, 2016 08:14 AM

The jobs are part time. Seasonal. Once the seasons over, job over. Flexible scheduling - which sounds reasonable but you are at the mercy of others. No benefits, no health insurance. Mainly waiter, waitress, housekeeping, in a resort that prohibits tipping. Pay slightly over minimum wage.

Kids nowadays expect to get free everything.

Posted by: mega machines at March 04, 2016 08:23 AM (fbovC)

226 I haven't seen that joke NGU. Real joke or just......?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 08:24 AM (WVsWD)

227 153 Cruz ate a booger on national TV

Posted by: Just Sayin' at March 04, 2016 07:24 AM (2kjDY)

No

It looked like a lip piercing before he ate it. Really weird.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at March 04, 2016 08:24 AM (kXzR8)

228
My impression lately has been that young Americans don't want to work anywhere.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 04, 2016 08:15 AM (t2KH5)

That is a rational conclusion. Both our culture and economy prove that work is for suckers. Our labor force participation is at record low because more and more Americans are "better off" not working.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 04, 2016 08:24 AM (EZebt)

229 O/T, didn't know about Sports Authority. Declaring bankruptcy and shuddering 1/3 of its stores.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 04, 2016 08:24 AM (U1Czt)

230 I haven't seen that joke NGU. Real joke or just......?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 08:24 AM (WVsWD)

Depends on how much time you give me to think of one?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:24 AM (mw8Dm)

231 In my younger years I'd love to get a summer job at Trump's Florida resort. Think of all the nice gals you could meat and meet, plus you might be able to find a nice cougar and retire at 19.

Posted by: Sam Seventy-Eight at March 04, 2016 08:25 AM (ki9ch)

232 180
176

What stuck out of the debate for me (aside from Trump's TMI about his

wang) was Trump's assertion that young Americans don't want to work

summer jobs at luxury beach resorts. Are You F--kin' Kidding Me?

Posted by: V the K at March 04, 2016 08:14 AM (O7MnT)

~~~~~

This.^^^

I live in a beach town that has hundreds, perhaps thousands, of summer jobs open up every year. Yet I had to drive my kids 12 miles to a job in the mall because every stinking job in this town was filled by undocumented democrats.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 04, 2016 08:25 AM (E6RIJ)

233 Trump Gets Things Done.

--

So does Obama.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 04, 2016 08:25 AM (pVkEV)

234 Trump does not do well in debates; but to be fair no one would if all the long knives are out for you. Part of he problem with Cruz is he is all polished and has an answer for everything; frankly like an annoying smart ass co worker and engenders that emotion in folks who are not his rabid fans already. Most people do not care to be lectured to in a rather sanctimonious tone, intentionally or unintentionally. Kasich came off looking the best because he behaved like an adult and was frankly normal. Most casual non polical junkies watching last night came off amused and horrified at the state of utter disrepair the GOP is in and frankly are wondering why anyone would vote for these clowns.

Posted by: IC at March 04, 2016 08:25 AM (zK6nG)

235 Classy things. Luxurious even.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 08:26 AM (rwI+c)

236 O/T, didn't know about Sports Authority. Declaring bankruptcy and shuddering 1/3 of its stores.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 04, 2016 08:24 AM (U1Czt)

yeah apparently Dicks and Modell's is cleaning it's clock.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:26 AM (mw8Dm)

237 Uses vast TEA Party support to get his worthless ass elected to the Senate.

Less than 3 Hours after he was elected stated he would not join the TEA Party Caucus.

And no one saw this coming?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 08:23 AM (WVsWD)

We put him up because his opponent was Charlie Crist, who was also a D with an R after his name. Rubes showed up out of nowhere breathing fire and acting the part, and everyone pretty much accepted him at face value.

He should be in Hollywood. Terrific actor. Most people couldn't be that convincing about something they don't believe. He absolutely does not belong near political power. He's an extremely dangerous man.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:26 AM (J+mig)

238 Trumpbot equals Unperson?

===

Yes. Always did.
Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at March 04, 2016 08:17 AM (3ZtZW)

Which is why there's going to be President Trump. You see all those Unpeople? They still have the franchise. And they're going to use it, good and hard.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 08:26 AM (mf5HN)

239 " In my younger years I'd love to get a summer job at Trump's Florida resort. Think of all the nice gals you could meat and meet, plus you might be able to find a nice cougar and retire at 19."

Thats a bit more fantasy than reality....

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:26 AM (WnCSK)

240 Guess who has all the GOP donors sewn up

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/02/hillary-clinton-backed-major-republican-donors.html

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:17 AM (cbfNE)

Let the backstabbing plutocrats show their true colors... Cruz is getting plenty of money from small donors.

Votermom, the last time we talked you said that you would only dump Trump if he flipped on immigration. Given last nights revelations, I just want to say...

Welcome to the Cruz side. We have cookies. Tasty, tasty cookies

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:26 AM (NPofj)

241 Yes, there are a ton of hookers here at CPAC.

The are masquerading as conservative college chicks during the day.

Unsurprisingly, the Secret Service have descended on the venue.

Party at 9PM in the Cartegena Suite.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at March 04, 2016 08:27 AM (zhygx)

242 Sports Authority can't compete here with Dick's and Academy. Their fate is not surprising.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 04, 2016 08:27 AM (pVkEV)

243 Your sarcasm would be right on the mark if Rove had ever indicated in any way that he supports Cruz.
Some great jokes came out of the old USSR.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 08:20 AM (P8951)

In Soviet America, blog sockpuppet teases YOU!

Posted by: Sockoff Smirnoff at March 04, 2016 08:27 AM (dH97I)

244 NGU, take all the time you want. Planting season going to be easy this year since I am planting absolutely nothing.

I got time.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 08:27 AM (WVsWD)

245 Part of he problem with Cruz is he is all polished and has an answer for everything; frankly like an annoying smart ass co worker and engenders that emotion in folks who are not his rabid fans already. Most people do not care to be lectured to in a rather sanctimonious tone, intentionally or unintentionally.

I don't get this attitude at all, and it's not at all uncommon. Smart people don't bother me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 08:27 AM (rwI+c)

246

I wonder if Trump regrets running now. Because he and his entire family, who probably moved through any circle with ease and safety are now facing so many threats.

NEW CIVILITY WATCH: Donald Trump Gets AIDS In A New Movie, And That Has Studio Execs In A Panic.

Related: 'Assassinate Trump': Violent Threats Going Unchecked on Twitter.

Egyptian student faces deportation over Trump threat

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:27 AM (qCMvj)

247 ...Ace at 7:00AM???...I'd better pay my back taxes!!!

Posted by: Right Rev. Al Sharpton at March 04, 2016 08:28 AM (INxoa)

248 Someone should tell Fox and Mitt that one guaranteed way to make Trump get even more fans is to attempt to stack the deck against him.
Have they not been paying attention? That's been the pattern since Macy's tried pulling his stuff from its stores.
Americans don't like biased refs.

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:28 AM (cbfNE)

249 Thats a bit more fantasy than reality....
Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:26 AM (WnCSK)

Yeah, but we all need something to get us thru the day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:28 AM (mw8Dm)

250 Dammit Ace, that summary of T-rump's debate performance was gutbustingly funny.

But you're up at 7:15, so this can't be Ace.

ERRORSTATE = TRUE
ENDPROGRAM

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 04, 2016 08:29 AM (wtvvX)

251 Not defending trump here, but just curious how old are you? I am 61 and sure growing up I would have killed for a job like that maybe?

I am 49 and I have three sons in their 20s; any one of whom would have loved to spend the summer after their senior year working in a luxury beach resort.

If you go to any major resort area, most of the workers are East Europeans on H-visas. Of course, this is partly because of state labor laws that make it harder to hire young people. Also, the lengthening school year narrows the window of availability for summer jobs. Who wants to hire a kid who can't start until the end of June and has to be back in school in the middle of August?

Posted by: V the K at March 04, 2016 08:29 AM (O7MnT)

252 #233. "So does Obama"

Because he has no opposition...

Posted by: zzBottom at March 04, 2016 08:29 AM (mn0Jm)

253 Well since we have a majority nation of 12 year old equivalent LIV voters(certainly in mental ability and outlook) , you have to say that last night's debate was a resounding success....

It is like asking a 'average' Moron and a 12 year old what is the best cuisine in the world....the Moron's answer is not likely to be the 12 year old's answer: McDonalds.
The guy 's on the stage know who THEY are performing for....

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at March 04, 2016 08:29 AM (3ZttN)

254 @245 smart people don't bother me either (I work in engineering with lots of them). What bother people are smart people who like everyone to know they are smart and give off the 'I am the smartest person in the room' vibe. Life is about team work to some degree; I imagine so is the presidency.

Posted by: IC at March 04, 2016 08:30 AM (zK6nG)

255 Those blind, burning children would look better if they were shrink-wrapped in flammable tarps drenched in gasoline.

Posted by: The FOX Debate Moderators at March 04, 2016 08:31 AM (UzPAd)

256 In Soviet America, blog sockpuppet teases YOU!

Posted by: Sockoff Smirnoff at March 04, 2016 08:27 AM (dH97I)

Do not forget. Do patriotic duty for motherland and grow more potatoes for 5 year plan. Nobody wants to go through Communism sober.

Posted by: Commissar Cato, Communism Coping Coordinator at March 04, 2016 08:31 AM (J+mig)

257 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:27 AM (qCMvj)

I think Trump is in a no way out but through situation.
He can't quit because if he does he'll be destroyed personally.
So, congrats, anti-Trump media and establishment, you cornered the mad dog. Now what?

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:31 AM (cbfNE)

258 Cruz has said he'd support Marco over Trump, so not sure why anyone thinks Cruz would stop a brokered convention over giving it all to Donald to avoid that. And, announcing that might cause his supporters to flee him prematurely anyway. Ostensibly, people are supporting him because he's a serious conservative thinker.

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 04, 2016 08:31 AM (XQtfF)

259 Previously when ace posted something at 7AM he hadn't gone to bed yet.

Posted by: steevy at March 04, 2016 08:31 AM (B48dK)

260 Bravo. I just read this out loud to my wife and could hardly get it out through the laughter :-D

Posted by: Santos L. Halper at March 04, 2016 08:32 AM (exkr6)

261 Since I firmly believe that the only thing that will save this country is radical change, I'll need to reassess my voting decision based on this new information.

Yeah, only a real pussy would let establishment-y things like "fact" and "new information" sway his opinion.

Posted by: Paul at March 04, 2016 08:32 AM (P1jJI)

262 Yeah, but we all need something to get us thru the day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:28 AM (mw8Dm)

Whiskey?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:32 AM (J+mig)

263 Trump gets no grade. But, he does have the answer key.

Posted by: Roy at March 04, 2016 08:33 AM (fWLrt)

264 Bleg: What Republican stock phrases are you sick and tired of hearing. So far I've got

1. "I understand why Americans are angry."
2. "First, we must secure our borders."
3. "This is not who we are."

Posted by: V the K at March 04, 2016 08:33 AM (O7MnT)

265 Early voting started yesterday. Going today.

Posted by: NCKate at March 04, 2016 08:33 AM (Z4AxM)

266 We will believe this 715 am post is from the Blogger Master Known As Ace about the time they find Sasquatch and the Loch Ness Monster.
And Elvis...alive.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at March 04, 2016 08:34 AM (3ZttN)

267 Yeah, but we all need something to get us thru the day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:28 AM (mw8Dm)

Whiskey?
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:32 AM (J+mig)

Odd as this may seem to you and me, most of my patients do not like to smell booze on my breath right before I drill them. Go figure?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:34 AM (mw8Dm)

268 Does the Cruz campaign even have a plan anymore? Or are they simply going through the paces.

What is their intent? Hoping for a brokered? I doubt they will give it to him if they can bring someone else in...they hate him almost as much as Trump.

Hope to see them start putting up a better fight.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:34 AM (WnCSK)

269 The jobs are part time. Seasonal. Once the seasons
over, job over. Flexible scheduling - which sounds reasonable but you
are at the mercy of others. No benefits, no health insurance. Mainly
waiter, waitress, housekeeping, in a resort that prohibits tipping. Pay
slightly over minimum wage.

Kids nowadays expect to get free everything.

Posted by: mega machines at March 04, 2016 08:23 AM (fbovC)

Kids these days would LOVE those jobs... my kids searched for over six months for steady work and both of them jumped on temporary Christmas season jobs like ducks on June Bugs.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:34 AM (NPofj)

270 Life is about team work to some degree; I imagine so is the presidency.

Posted by: IC at March 04, 2016 08:30 AM (zK6nG)

Teamwork is essential, but only after the vision is set.

It takes a leader to tell the team of engineers what they need to accomplish. Then, teamwork kicks in and the work continues until the leader comes back in the room and declares that the goal has been sufficiently reached, otherwise the engineers would continue to refine everything until the end of time.

Posted by: jwest at March 04, 2016 08:34 AM (Zs4uk)

271 Contrast to Mitt who basically risked nothing to run. He lost gracefully and went back to his patrician good life.
If Trump loses, what happens to him?
I think in Trump' s mind, losing is not an option.

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:34 AM (cbfNE)

272
Which is why there's going to be President Trump. You see all those Unpeople? They still have the franchise.

Oh, we'll see about that. . .

Posted by: The MFM / DNC Complex at March 04, 2016 08:35 AM (X6fMO)

273 I'm glad some people are staring to realize just how "flexible" Trump can be. The man has no core principles. EVERYTHING is negotiable- and I do mean everything. That includes his supposed signature issues like immigration and foreign workers. His campaign motto is not "Make America Great Again"- it's "For Sale." He's selling himself- and if you don't like him now, well he's capable of changing very rapidly.

Posted by: Myself at March 04, 2016 08:35 AM (5wiU6)

274 "If Trump loses, what happens to him? "

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:35 AM (WnCSK)

275 Cruz has said he'd support Marco over Trump, so not sure why anyone thinks Cruz would stop a brokered convention over giving it all to Donald to avoid that.

--

I'd have a hard time supporting someone who repeatedly called me the worst lying liar of the universe in the history of the world 24/7/365. I could've supported a Trump/Cruz ticket if I couldn't get a Cruz/? ticket. But Donald has squirted flower lapel gasoline onto the burning blind childrens' eyes of that possibility.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 04, 2016 08:35 AM (pVkEV)

276 Odd as this may seem to you and me, most of my
patients do not like to smell booze on my breath right before I drill
them. Go figure?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:34 AM (mw8Dm)

You daywalkers and your weird hours.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:35 AM (J+mig)

277 Does the Cruz campaign even have a plan anymore? Or are they simply going through the paces.

What is their intent? Hoping for a brokered? I doubt they will
give it to him if they can bring someone else in...they hate him almost
as much as Trump.

Hope to see them start putting up a better fight.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:34 AM (WnCSK)

Cruz's intent is to win... and yes they have a plan for that. They have several plans for that.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:36 AM (NPofj)

278 Anyone ever this this?

A construction worker found a blood-stained knife buried on OJ Simpsons property years ago and gave it to an off-duty cop who kept it in his home before finally turning it over to police, a report says.

Law enforcement sources told TMZ that the blade is a folding buck knife, which is now being tested for hair and fingerprints after being handed over in January.

Cops who saw the weapon said it appeared to have blood residue on it, but its extremely rusted and stained, so further testing, sources told the site.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:36 AM (mw8Dm)

279 >>I think Trump is in a no way out but through situation.
He can't quit because if he does he'll be destroyed personally.
So, congrats, anti-Trump media and establishment, you cornered the mad dog. Now what?

What? Why is anyone supposed to feel bad about exposing Trump for what he is?

He hasn't changed. This is who he is. It's not about stupid titles like establishment, Trump is and always has been a liberal joke.

How about we start putting the blame where it belongs, on Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 08:36 AM (/tuJf)

280 "Cruz's intent is to win... and yes they have a plan for that. They have several plans for that."

I hope it better than their SEC plan....

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:36 AM (WnCSK)

281 This was Trump's best performance evah.

Sad!

Posted by: John Nolte's Taint at March 04, 2016 08:36 AM (UweUX)

282 You guys have been so fiercely loyal to him, regardless of what he does or says, so he knows he can fuck you over on the important issue and you'll still vote for him.
Posted by: El Kabong

Funny you should say that; that's EXACTLY what we'll do. And are doing. And have done.

Posted by: The Stupid Party at March 04, 2016 08:37 AM (326rv)

283 Odd as this may seem to you and me, most of my

patients do not like to smell booze on my breath right before I drill

them. Go figure?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:34 AM (mw8Dm)

Are we not doing phrasing anymore?

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:37 AM (NPofj)

284
Bleg: What Republican stock phrases are you sick and tired of hearing. So far I've got

1. "I understand why Americans are angry."

2. "First, we must secure our borders."

3. "This is not who we are." Posted by: V the K at March 04, 2016 08:33 AM (O7MnT)"You don't understand how Washington works."

Posted by: The MFM / DNC Complex at March 04, 2016 08:37 AM (X6fMO)

285 273 "I'm glad some people are staring to realize just how "flexible" Trump can be. The man has no core principles. EVERYTHING is negotiable- and I do mean everything."

Yeah, we need a rock-solid establishment republican. "Read my lips, no new taxes".

Posted by: jwest at March 04, 2016 08:38 AM (Zs4uk)

286 Next week early voting starts for my area, I'm all in for CRUZ.

Posted by: Sam Seventy-Eight at March 04, 2016 08:38 AM (ki9ch)

287 I am 49 and I have three sons in their 20s; any one of whom would have loved to spend the summer after their senior year working in a luxury beach resort.

If you go to any major resort area, most of the workers are East Europeans on H-visas. Of course, this is partly because of state labor laws that make it harder to hire young people. Also, the lengthening school year narrows the window of availability for summer jobs. Who wants to hire a kid who can't start until the end of June and has to be back in school in the middle of August?
Posted by: V the K at March 04, 2016 08:29 AM (O7MnT)

This is an extension of how high school kids don't have jobs because there is no benefit to having one when you're trying to polish up your presentation packet for getting into college. The admissions office prefers "Headed volunteer group for dialogue on implementing anti-bullying initiatives via intersectional social platforming" to "Started off mopping floors. Ended up as night shift manager four months later."

Once you're in college, then you have to do the internship during summers treatmill. Because, hey, gotta make those connections and burnish that resume, baby.

It's bukkake, all the way down, but in the bad way.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 08:38 AM (mf5HN)

288 > On other issues, he was less reassuring.

holy shit lol!!!

Posted by: MikeInBA at March 04, 2016 08:38 AM (yatr9)

289 "Odd as this may seem to you and me, most of my
patients do not like to smell booze on my breath right before I drill
them. Go figure? "

Do you share...?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 04, 2016 08:38 AM (U1Czt)

290 245 Part of he problem with Cruz is he is all polished and has an answer for everything; frankly like an annoying smart ass co worker and engenders that emotion in folks who are not his rabid fans already. Most people do not care to be lectured to in a rather sanctimonious tone, intentionally or unintentionally.

I don't get this attitude at all, and it's not at all uncommon. Smart people don't bother me.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 04, 2016 08:27 AM (rwI+c)

Gee, what are you, Grump? Some kind of ELITIST or something? We're populists, we don't want a president who knows anything!

/sarc

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 08:39 AM (P8951)

291 Yeah.

I have to admit Trump probably killed or maybe fatally weakened his campaign last night-

probably giving us some kind of brokered convention.

That he has now started backing off his stance on illegal immigration was shocking.

Truly.

And makes him much less the strong and forthright leader on this vital issue that people have been looking for.

The biggest shock though is that the Supreme Negotiator-

is already giving up his stated baseline before negotiations have even taken place.

Which makes him just like The Turtle and Eddie Munster-

surrender before engaging in battle.

Trump was my plan B if Cruz couldn't break through.

I suppose he still is...

But now it will only be for the sheer enjoyment of watching the GOPe-types stare at the remains of the
Blind Kids/Boner Clown Fire Jamboree that they turned this once great country into along with BFF, TFG-

and perhaps, think in their slow, small brained way
"My God, what have we done?".

But, I'll expect nothing more.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 04, 2016 08:39 AM (2rmvw)

292 We need more compassionate conservatives to help win over the minority voters.

We also need a Medicare Part E to pay for anything that Parts A,B,C, and D don't pay for.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 04, 2016 08:40 AM (WVsWD)

293 I read the Trump release about the "A" rating.

It looked to me like Trump reorganized Trump University Mark One into Trump University LLC -- the second incarnation of Trump U. (LLC) got a good rating.

The original version of Trump U. - the one being discussed - was a trumpster fire.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 04, 2016 08:40 AM (8Q1Gy)

294 Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 08:38 AM (mf5HN)

I wonder if all of that "community service" and internship nonsense is to get people used to not keeping the fruits of their labor?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:40 AM (J+mig)

295
Dammit. Off, sock.

Anyway, "you don't understand how Washington works" is the airily dismissive phrase that really grinds my gears, especially when some snotty, supercilious poster uses it as an excuse to wave away any complaints about the latest GOPe betrayal.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 04, 2016 08:40 AM (X6fMO)

296

Greetings gentlefappers.

Ace, what in the world are you doing up at this hour?

#freshhell

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 04, 2016 08:40 AM (LUgeY)

297 You guys have been so fiercely loyal to him, regardless of what he does or says, so he knows he can fuck you over on the important issue and you'll still vote for him.
Posted by: El Kabong

Funny you should say that; that's EXACTLY what we'll do. And are doing. And have done.

And will continue to do for ANOTHER 30 years. Where else you gonna go?
Posted by: GOPe

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 08:40 AM (utT6Q)

298 Seriously, why hasn't there been a Palace Coup to remove all RNC leadership. They all have to be removed, like yesterday.

Posted by: Classical Liberal at March 04, 2016 08:40 AM (UweUX)

299 This is an extension of how high school kids don't have jobs because there is no benefit to having one when you're trying to polish up your presentation packet for getting into college. The admissions office prefers "Headed volunteer group for dialogue on implementing anti-bullying initiatives via intersectional social platforming" to "Started off mopping floors. Ended up as night shift manager four months later."

Once you're in college, then you have to do the internship during summers treatmill. Because, hey, gotta make those connections and burnish that resume, baby.

It's bukkake, all the way down, but in the bad way.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 08:38 AM (mf5HN)

============

Unless you're trying to get into a state school for a STEM degree. They'll take almost anyone, and those students who do manage to make it through to graduation with something like an electrical engineering major make, on average, the same amount of money as someone graduating with the same degree from an Ivy League school.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 04, 2016 08:41 AM (rJSDb)

300 The anti-Dondi around here is off the charts strong.
Posted by: redbanzai

Tell us how this makes you feel. Bonus points if you do it in English and Spanish.

You lose points if the text matches in both languages.

Posted by: The Stupid Party at March 04, 2016 08:41 AM (326rv)

301 294 Yes,it is designed to turn them into good little socialists.

Posted by: steevy at March 04, 2016 08:41 AM (B48dK)

302 If Ted Cruz, despite himself, fell madly in love with Caitlyn Jenner, Jenner would be the first translady. That wouldn't offend too many socons, but it sure would attract tons of liberals on the looko7t for another historic first.

Posted by: angela urkel at March 04, 2016 08:41 AM (FYBdm)

303

What a treat this morning.
Ace, and the funnies.

Thank you Ace.

The beginning of a perfect day.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:41 AM (qCMvj)

304 If Rubio loses Florida, which I think he will, he will be forced to get out and clear the way for Kasich in Ohio. That will be your 3-way establishment, conservative, and SMOD lanes to a brokered convention, in which Kasich will emerge as the nominee and Rubio or Cruz as the VP.

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 04, 2016 08:41 AM (XQtfF)

305 I woke up this morning with the fading memory of a bad dream where a talking head on the TV news was saying :

"President Trump announced today that . . ."

Posted by: Willard Willabee at March 04, 2016 08:42 AM (r3Not)

306 Yep, that Cruz fella is the honest one- http://tinyurl.com/hyx97cv

Posted by: Rerun at March 04, 2016 08:42 AM (SOVQ8)

307 "Anyone ever this this? "

No, but is a 25 year old extremely rusted and stained knife evidence of anything anymore?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 04, 2016 08:42 AM (U1Czt)

308 Do you share...?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 04, 2016 08:38 AM (U1Czt)

Actually I have been known to give a nervous patient or 2 a Drink.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:42 AM (mw8Dm)

309 Gee, what are you, Grump? Some kind of ELITIST or something? We're populists, we don't want a president who knows anything!

/sarc
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 08:39 AM (P8951)

==============

It's the John Quincy Adams/Andrew Jackson fight all over again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 04, 2016 08:42 AM (rJSDb)

310 " If Rubio loses Florida, which I think he will, he will be forced to get out and clear the way for Kasich in Ohio. That will be your 3-way establishment, conservative, and SMOD lanes to a brokered convention, in which Kasich will emerge as the nominee and Rubio or Cruz as the VP."

I could see that...

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:43 AM (WnCSK)

311 I wonder if Trump regrets running now. Because he
and his entire family, who probably moved through any circle with ease
and safety are now facing so many threats.

NEW CIVILITY WATCH: Donald Trump Gets AIDS In A New Movie, And That Has Studio Execs In A Panic.

Related: 'Assassinate Trump': Violent Threats Going Unchecked on Twitter.

Egyptian student faces deportation over Trump threat

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:27 AM (qCMvj)

Interesting how all that is coming from the unhinged left.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:43 AM (NPofj)

312 -

It's all about the Pecking Order, people.

Who's the pecker? Who's the peckee?

Trump? He's a pecker.

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 04, 2016 08:43 AM (8Q1Gy)

313 You guys have been so fiercely loyal to him, regardless of what he does or says, so he knows he can fuck you over on the important issue and you'll still vote for him.
Posted by: El Kabong

Meanwhile, Mel Martinez wants Delaware's own Joe Biden. And Lady lindsey wanted Cruz dead (it was a joke; we demand that you laugh).

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 04, 2016 08:43 AM (326rv)

314 Kids these days would LOVE those jobs... my kids searched for over six months for steady work and both of them jumped on temporary Christmas season jobs like ducks on June Bugs.Posted by: redbanzai

Perhaps the children of middle class conservative parents. Children with parents who give them their own cars and provide them with car insurance.

You start calculating the cost of a car, insurance, registration costs, gasoline, maintenance, etc. and those part time jobs barely cover the cost.

Posted by: mega machines at March 04, 2016 08:43 AM (fbovC)

315 Ace, brilliant piece.

God help us all if it is Trump vs. Clinton

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 04, 2016 08:43 AM (voOPb)

316

The conservative blogosphere is going with Lion Ted versus Lying Ted that Trump kept tossing out.

Fabulous!

Roar!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:43 AM (qCMvj)

317 How about we start putting the blame where it belongs, on Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 08:36 AM (/tuJf)

I think you missed my point entirely.

Trump is a creation of the media and GOP. He's Palin 2.0
If it wasn't Trump it would have been someone else.
And instead of handling him in a way that would defuse the populist bomb that he is, they just keep adding C4
But go ahead, blame Trump for the shifty situation our country is in, for the rage that voters feel.
It's all his fault.
Mitt told us so.

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:44 AM (cbfNE)

318

"I'm glad some people are staring to realize just how "flexible" Trump can be. The man has no core principles. EVERYTHING is negotiable- and I do mean everything."

"Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others..."

-Groucho Marx

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 04, 2016 08:44 AM (LUgeY)

319 Romney's endorsement of Trump helped Trump. So glad he didnt endorse Cruz! Last night's debate was a disaster for Trump. It showed how all over the place he is. His supporters might now question "is he like me?" Or "I'm unsure who he is and what he stands for any more". Cruz's performance made it so much easier to knock on doors today in Ohio, although it was pretty easy yesterday - majority of ppl will be voting for him in our little area we took in NE Ohio. No one we talked to is voting for Kasich. He is a disaster in Ohio and his answer to the education question should scare everyone. CEO's of schools? He took over Youngstown schools. How does the taxpayer parent deal with a CEO? He lies about Common core too. He does not believe in local control of education - parents have risen up and fought him for 3 years to get rid of common core. He refuses to listen or accept calls from them, as do his GOP lemmings in the Ohio house.

Posted by: Jenny at March 04, 2016 08:44 AM (U2Pgy)

320 but is a 25 year old extremely rusted and stained knife evidence of anything anymore?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill

yes.

it's a tax.

Posted by: Justice John Roberts at March 04, 2016 08:44 AM (326rv)

321 308 Do you share...?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 04, 2016 08:38 AM (U1Czt)

Actually I have been known to give a nervous patient or 2 a Drink.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:42 AM (mw8Dm)

C'mon Doc, some little white pills are better

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 04, 2016 08:45 AM (voOPb)

322 "...is a 25 year old extremely rusted and stained knife evidence of anything anymore?"

OJ can say "That's the knife I cut the bitch's head off with".

He's already been tried and found innocent. Nothing else can happen.

Posted by: jwest at March 04, 2016 08:45 AM (Zs4uk)

323 No, but is a 25 year old extremely rusted and stained knife evidence of anything anymore?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 04, 2016 08:42 AM (U1Czt)

Doesn't matter as far as evidence goes, double jeopardy and all. But just interesting. And sure if they find something it would be nice

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:45 AM (mw8Dm)

324 >>>282 You guys have been so fiercely loyal to him, regardless of what he does or says, so he knows he can fuck you over on the important issue and you'll still vote for him.
Posted by: El Kabong

Funny you should say that; that's EXACTLY what we'll do. And are doing. And have done.
Posted by: The Stupid Party at March 04, 2016 08:37 AM (326rv)

Well, golly. I was assured that Trump was completely different. By people on the internet no less.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 04, 2016 08:45 AM (MCmqp)

325 I must admit -- red pig X is a pretty bad score.

Posted by: eleven at March 04, 2016 08:45 AM (qUNWi)

326 I read the Trump release about the "A" rating.

It looked to me like Trump reorganized Trump University Mark One into Trump University LLC -- the second incarnation of Trump U. (LLC) got a good rating.

The original version of Trump U. - the one being discussed - was a trumpster fire.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 04, 2016 08:40 AM (8Q1Gy)

Yeah, I think that is what he did. Like ACORN.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:45 AM (qCMvj)

327 More GOP brilliance on display: let's have a hundred debates.

Because people are totally engaged over a long period of time with politics.

Posted by: blaster at March 04, 2016 08:45 AM (2Ocf1)

328 Heh. I just checked LinkedIn.

Buddy of mine was a VP of Bus.Dev for Trump University, I wondered how he's presenting that.

He now describes it as having been a VP in the Trump Organization, including "Identified, analyzed, negotiated and developed strategic and marketing alliances and managed key client relationships to increase revenues and cost-effective client acquisition for eLearning and business education division."

So it was an eLearning division.

Well, my guy is good.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 04, 2016 08:46 AM (1xUj/)

329 Yeah, we need a rock-solid establishment republican. "Read my lips, no new taxes".

If you think I want another Bush, you are mistaken. I am very much anti-establishment. I'm just befuddled how anyone can be fooled by this guy who's clearly just telling people what he thinks they want to hear. Especially when there's another candidate who has the track record to back up his talk.

Posted by: Myself at March 04, 2016 08:46 AM (5wiU6)

330 C'mon Doc, some little white pills are better
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 04, 2016 08:45 AM (voOPb)

No doubt but I don't really want to be rooming with someone named Bubba

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:46 AM (mw8Dm)

331 -

"Cruz has a plan"

Yeah. So did the Cylons. And how'd that go?

Just fine, at the beginning - and then it became a tangled mess that relied on a deus ex machina. In this case, Mitt.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 04, 2016 08:46 AM (8Q1Gy)

332 "Marco Rubio: Had the flu and it showed, but hard to deduct points for that."

Not that hard Ace, I took 25 off for that. Presidents don't get the flu? Maybe that's why he misses votes and proceedings. Can't have someone that sick in the Whitehouse. Physically sick. The past 7 years shows morally and mentally sick can be done.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 04, 2016 08:46 AM (kfcYC)

333 217 The real question is how fast will the senate move on conviction in the inevitable impeachment of Trump?

First voice vote, no problem.

Posted by: 7Mike at March 04, 2016 08:47 AM (pxwEr)

334 X is better than Z tho.

Posted by: eleven at March 04, 2016 08:47 AM (qUNWi)

335 Bravo. I just read this out loud to my wife and could hardly get it out through the laughter :-D
Posted by: Santos L. Halper at March 04, 2016 08:32 AM (exkr6)

lol, I know.
It's like a ray of sunshine and rainbows and unicorns.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:47 AM (qCMvj)

336 Take the debate last night. If Fox were smart, instead of blatantly attacking Trump, it would have just given everyone questions that Cruz and Marco could run away with but would leave Trump floundering. Not hard to do.
That would have seemed fair and left Trump diminished.
Instead they display their fear.

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:48 AM (cbfNE)

337 310 " If Rubio loses Florida, which I think he will, he will be forced to get out and clear the way for Kasich in Ohio. That will be your 3-way establishment, conservative, and SMOD lanes to a brokered convention, in which Kasich will emerge as the nominee and Rubio or Cruz as the VP."

I could see that...
Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:43 AM (WnCSK)

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If Kasich wins Ohio and nothing else? We'll be looking at a delegate count of something like 35% (Trump) - 30% (Cruz) - 10% (Kasich) - 25% (everyone else). I can imagine the insanity of Cruz gets the nomination over Trump in that situation, but the idea that Kasich would instead triumph over either Cruz or Trump is just one step too far in my mind.

The Establishment would probably love to have Kasich as their candidate. I just don't see how you get to a majority of delegates on further ballots supporting Kasich when a majority supported one of two others who are pretty much polar opposites (in different ways).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 04, 2016 08:48 AM (rJSDb)

338 15 >>Forget that it was Mitt Romney, and what he said was essentially accurate.

I prefer to remember it was Mitt Romney since he has been right about pretty much everything. Remind me again why I am supposed to hate him?

Posted by: JackStraw

He delivered Obama's second term on a silver platter. What better reason could there be?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 04, 2016 08:48 AM (kfcYC)

339 All that interning and special volunteering instead of work also keeps kids from experiencing the real world until they've been sufficiently indoctrinated.
When you have a job in high school you learn several things, including: government takes a lot out of the pay check, no one cares about your feelings or your ideas - just do what you've been hired to do, arrive on time and follow directions, their is value in hard (often physical) work, etc.

I bet *none* of those OWS whiners had jobs in high school - they were all too busy being the best little "me" they could be.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 04, 2016 08:48 AM (NOIQH)

340 I will come back and comment as soon as I manage to get back up off the floor and stop laughing.

I nominate this post for immediate induction into the AoSHQ Hall of Fame/ Shame with a prime spot next to Kaboom and Dick Chaney's Night of the Cheetah Man

Posted by: Guy that always asks why his comments aren't showing up at March 04, 2016 08:48 AM (XItbt)

341 Funny you should say that; that's EXACTLY what we'll do. And are doing. And have done.
Posted by: The Stupid Party at March 04, 2016 08:37 AM (326rv)

Well, golly. I was assured that Trump was completely different. By people on the internet no less.
Posted by: El Kabong

So was I. I was told that he was far worse. From what I can tell, he's the obverse of the same filthy coin.

Guess that we can all learn to live with this.

Posted by: Justice John Roberts at March 04, 2016 08:49 AM (326rv)

342 I wonder if all of that "community service" and internship nonsense is to get people used to not keeping the fruits of their labor?
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:40 AM (J+mig)

That and to get free work for the organizations. You know, the ones that have their unpaid interns writing policy papers on how every company should be forced to pay a living wage.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 08:49 AM (mf5HN)

343 >>penis size was sufficient for most.

A serviceable size. Respectable, unpretentious. Not yuge, but agreeable; reasonably sized.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 08:50 AM (Bdeb0)

344 "The Establishment would probably love to have Kasich as their candidate. I just don't see how you get to a majority of delegates on further ballots supporting Kasich when a majority supported one of two others who are pretty much polar opposites (in different ways)."

My understanding is that after the first vote they are no longer bound. At that point, they can vote for whoever they want. Is that not true?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:50 AM (WnCSK)

345 The dogs, having considered going out in the snow, are now snoozing on the couch and considering their options. A feel a certain unease.

Posted by: MTF at March 04, 2016 08:50 AM (TxJGV)

346 I think Trump is in a no way out but through situation.

He can't quit because if he does he'll be destroyed personally.

So, congrats, anti-Trump media and establishment, you cornered the mad dog. Now what?

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:31 AM (cbfNE)

Trump won't be destroyed personally by this. He still has his businesses and family to go back to. He won't be happy about it because he hates to lose but we are better off if he doesn't win so I am fine with that.

I will also point out that yesterday and last night is only a small taste of what Trump would face in the general (and nothing compared to what the establishment and the press has said and tried to do to Ted Cruz since he was elected).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:50 AM (NPofj)

347 Came in 2nd place, which is what we now know as "Rubio Gold."

Rooby Rooby-Doo!

Posted by: Mario at March 04, 2016 08:51 AM (jO7js)

348 Unless you're trying to get into a state school for a STEM degree. They'll take almost anyone, and those students who do manage to make it through to graduation with something like an electrical engineering major make, on average, the same amount of money as someone graduating with the same degree from an Ivy League school.

Unless the company's Ivy-league educated executives find it cheaper to bring in foreigners on H-visas to do their engineering work.

Posted by: V the K at March 04, 2016 08:51 AM (O7MnT)

349 If I'm reading this right, the outsider didn't have the smoothly prepared answers that the establishment candidates had.

You really need to watch/listen-to the tape. Trump's answer on the deficit/debt was a trainwreck into a dumpster fire and his walkback of H1B's is gonna leave a big, fat mark. And those were among his best parts of the night.

Won't matter. Just saying.

Posted by: DocJ at March 04, 2016 08:51 AM (NYS7S)

350
It's the John Quincy Adams/Andrew Jackson fight all over again.

You laugh, but prior to the election of 1824, many people were trying to get Adams and Jackson to run as a team; the slogan was:

John Quincy Adams, who can write / Andrew Jackson, who can fight.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 04, 2016 08:51 AM (X6fMO)

351 >>> 341 So was I. I was told that he was far worse. From what I can tell, he's the obverse of the same filthy coin.
Guess that we can all learn to live with this.

Trump's flip flops and walkbacks on his signature issues of immigration are dismissed as 'typical GOP politics' by his supporters.

But I have been told repeatedly by his supporters that he is not a 'typical GOP politician' and that he is so mighty that he will not have to walkback shit and will get what he wants because luxurious make America great again cuckservative.

So which is it?

Posted by: El Kabong at March 04, 2016 08:52 AM (MCmqp)

352 My understanding is that after the first vote they are no longer bound. At that point, they can vote for whoever they want. Is that not true?
Posted by: Skeezix

According to the wisdom here, the only people bound after that are the peasants.

It'll be interesting to see that after RNC types are openly calling for Biden.

Posted by: Justice John Roberts at March 04, 2016 08:52 AM (326rv)

353

'WHAT HAPPENED TO TOLERANCE'? Caitlyn Jenner's support for Ted Cruz makes progs lose it.

What doesn't cause "Progressives" to lose it these days?

insty

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:52 AM (qCMvj)

354 My understanding is that after the first vote they are no longer bound. At that point, they can vote for whoever they want. Is that not true?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:50 AM (WnCSK)

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Very true. But you have to convince them, and they are probably going to be pretty solid Cruz/Trump supporters. How many Trump/Cruz supporters list Kasich as a second choice?

Rubio would have a better shot, even without the Florida win, because more in the party at large like him than Kasich.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 04, 2016 08:52 AM (rJSDb)

355 If Rubio loses Florida, which I think he will, he will be forced to get out and clear the way for Kasich in Ohio. That will be your 3-way establishment, conservative, and SMOD lanes to a brokered convention, in which Kasich will emerge as the nominee and Rubio or Cruz as the VP.

***

A brokered convention gets you Paul Ryan

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 08:52 AM (8PbKi)

356 State Department Staffs Hotline To Report Ceasefire Violations In Syria With Non-Arabic Speakers

Weasel Zippers

Top Men over there at State

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 08:53 AM (mw8Dm)

357 My understanding is that after the first vote they are no longer bound. At that point, they can vote for whoever they want. Is that not true?

That is accurate. That's the rules.

If following the rules leads to a non-Trump outcome (assuming for argument's sake that Trump enters the convention with a plurality) the Wailing and Gnashing of Teeth about how the outcome is undemocratic and the result was fixed and the establishment bosses stole the election will be gargantuan.

I like the word gargantuan. One so seldom gets to use it in a sentence.

So, forget the rules and how they work. The butthurt is already baked in.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 04, 2016 08:53 AM (1xUj/)

358 Perhaps the children of middle class conservative parents. Children with parents who give them their own cars and provide them with car insurance.

You start calculating the cost of a car, insurance, registration costs, gasoline, maintenance, etc. and those part time jobs barely cover the cost.

Prepares you for adulthood.
Almost sounds like being an adult.
Full time job barely covers car, insurance, mortgage, food, etc.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 08:54 AM (utT6Q)

359 Hey Ace Bruce Jenner just came out and endorsed Cruz: http://www.advocate.com/caitlyn-jenner/2016/3/02/she-cait-and-i-am-not-face-face-jenner

Posted by: sleepysol at March 04, 2016 08:54 AM (lNB0b)

360 >>A brokered convention gets you Paul Ryan

How so?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 08:54 AM (/tuJf)

361 "team of ultra right-wing ducks standing on each other's backs and quacking Fredrick Hayek"

This is all I ever really wanted in a candidate.

Posted by: JonathanEllis at March 04, 2016 08:54 AM (xjLNq)

362 My understanding is that after the first vote they are no longer bound. At that point, they can vote for whoever they want. Is that not true?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 08:50 AM (WnCSK)

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I wasn't laughing, just noting a historical parallel.

Jackson was portrayed as a barbarian idiot, and Adams was portrayed as an elitist effeminate.

Their parallels, not exact copies, but still interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 04, 2016 08:54 AM (rJSDb)

363 Trump has by the EOB today to walk back his apparent repudiation of his Immigration Policy or he is finished.

Because Immigration is the only issue people are rallying to him over.

I knew he was a scatter brained fast talker who gets lost in his own word salad but you cannot be that stupid to not realize what your're saying about the most important issue with the core of your suporters.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 04, 2016 08:54 AM (6AuRN)

364 "Especially when there's another candidate who has the track record to back up his talk."

Posted by: Myself at March 04, 2016 08:46 AM (5wiU6)

I've seen people with a track record.

Sarah Palin had a track record that was hard to beat, but she was destroyed by the media and people on the right who felt embarrassed because she didn't have the right background.

Trump's track record included a skating rink in New York that the city government couldn't fix in 6 years. Trump finished it in 3 months.

That's a track record.

He didn't call for new commission to study the problem. He didn't promise to write legislation to fix it, he just got the job done.

Kind of like how his companies build shit.

Track records are good to look at, if it's something that is actually accomplished.

Posted by: jwest at March 04, 2016 08:54 AM (Zs4uk)

365 357. And if it keads to a Trump outcome there will be no butthurt.

Posted by: steevy at March 04, 2016 08:55 AM (B48dK)

366 Unless you're trying to get into a state school for a STEM degree. They'll take almost anyone, and those students who do manage to make it through to graduation with something like an electrical engineering major make, on average, the same amount of money as someone graduating with the same degree from an Ivy League school.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 04, 2016 08:41 AM (rJSDb)

Yeah but those kids usually have actual jobs during the summer doing actual things because they're going into fields where actual stuff actually kills actual people when it actually doesn't work.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 08:55 AM (mf5HN)

367 360 >>A brokered convention gets you Paul Ryan

How so?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2016 08:54 AM (/tuJf)

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1844!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 04, 2016 08:55 AM (rJSDb)

368 Really sorry I missed all the fun last nite. Sounds like a party.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 04, 2016 08:55 AM (UqKfP)

369 Perhaps the children of middle class conservative
parents. Children with parents who give them their own cars and provide
them with car insurance.

You start calculating the cost of a car, insurance, registration
costs, gasoline, maintenance, etc. and those part time jobs barely cover
the cost.

Posted by: mega machines at March 04, 2016 08:43 AM (fbovC)

My kids do not have cars... we do live on a bus line if necessary. Middle class or poor, teen agers will find a way to get where the need to be. When I was that age, I put my feet in the path and walked the 2 miles to my job.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:55 AM (NPofj)

370 341 So was I. I was told that he was far worse. From what I can tell, he's the obverse of the same filthy coin.
Guess that we can all learn to live with this.

Trump's flip flops and walkbacks on his signature issues of immigration are dismissed as 'typical GOP politics' by his supporters.

But I have been told repeatedly by his supporters that he is not a 'typical GOP politician' and that he is so mighty that he will not have to walkback shit and will get what he wants because luxurious make America great again cuckservative.

So which is it?
Posted by: El Kabong

First, I'm not one of his supporters.

Second, I'm no longer a supporter of the Stupid Party.

Third; I see one difference, he seems to be fighting the dems and the media. Even people who despise trump noted that Romney should have exerted some effort like that against JEF. he didn't.

But he WILL do it against flags and against trump.

Trump is a symptom of a problem created by the stupid party. he's in no way a decent candidate. Then again, almost every one we've put up in decades turned out shitty.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 04, 2016 08:56 AM (326rv)

371 Also, Adams, son of a POTUS - elites are always nepotistic

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:56 AM (cbfNE)

372 Compared to Adolph Hitler and Lindsey Graham's micro penis, I am huge.

Posted by: Donald J Trump,Billionaire at March 04, 2016 08:56 AM (NA4Je)

373 Does anyone really think Trump supporters are freaking out because he said that everything is negotiable and you have to be flexible? Really??

Ryan, McConnell, Rubio, and even Cruz have all told us upon their elections and reelections what they would do when they got back to Washington, and they haven't done shit. All talk no action. Especially this last election, which was supposed to be the game changer. Nothing. Flatline. All a bunch of BS.

And you're telling me I have to worry about Trump?

Posted by: zzBottom at March 04, 2016 08:56 AM (mn0Jm)

374 Ace I was going to say that Marco is far too old to have been an original member of Medudo. Then I realized what I was saying.
I feel old when I realize the original members of Menudo are now in their 50's.

*whaaaaa*

Posted by: Kindltot at March 04, 2016 08:56 AM (q2o38)

375 huuuuge!

Posted by: Donald J Trump,Billionaire at March 04, 2016 08:57 AM (NA4Je)

376 Hayek Ducks is a great band name by the by.

I think I saw Hayek Ducks open for The Fathers Of Mises at the Capitol Theatre in Passaic NJ in 1982. But then again, that was during my young-and-stupid phase so maybe it was just an Asia concert.

Posted by: DocJ at March 04, 2016 08:57 AM (NYS7S)

377

Ace of Spades mentioned in this NRO piece:

THE CAMPAIGN SPOT ELECTION-DRIVEN NEWS AND VIEWS . . . BY JIM GERAGHTY. Progressives Suddenly Realize They've Created Frankenstein

http://bit.ly/1B4s9Gm

Here's the quote:

Ace of Spades, back in 2012:

As I've said so many times: There is a subset of "politics" which isn't politics at all, but some very dark and twisted psychological baggage which would be anti-social to vent, except in a supposedly "political" context. The supposed intellectualization, abstracted nature of the discussion renders what would otherwise be the rantings of the mentally unwell into something fit for polite company.

Except sometimes this doesn't work, and it's all too obvious that We're Not Really Talking About Politics Here Anymore, Are We?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 08:58 AM (qCMvj)

378 That is accurate. That's the rules.

If following the rules leads to a non-Trump outcome (assuming for argument's sake that Trump enters the convention with a plurality) the Wailing and Gnashing of Teeth about how the outcome is undemocratic and the result was fixed and the establishment bosses stole the election will be gargantuan.

I like the word gargantuan. One so seldom gets to use it in a sentence.

So, forget the rules and how they work. The butthurt is already baked in.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 04, 2016 08:53 AM (1xUj/)

But will the butthurt be gargantuan?

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 08:58 AM (mf5HN)

379 If a debate happens in the forest, and nobody watches, does it make a noise?

Posted by: The Birch Gang at March 04, 2016 08:58 AM (eVJgr)

380 Posted by: Kreplach at March 04, 2016 08:54 AM (6AuRN)

Pretty much this. Immigration is the core issue my support for Trump is based on. If he's going to develop feet of clay, we'd better learn about it now.

Posted by: creeper at March 04, 2016 08:58 AM (+7iN8)

381 But will the butthurt be gargantuan?
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 04, 2016 08:58 AM (mf5HN)
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It will be brobdingnagian!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at March 04, 2016 08:59 AM (jR7Wy)

382 nood
dump

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 04, 2016 08:59 AM (ZQfW9)

383

"If Trump loses, what happens to him? "

He goes back to being a billionaire with a fleet of private jets, helicopters and a smokin' hot wife.

*Dr. Smith voice*

The pain...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 04, 2016 08:59 AM (LUgeY)

384 There may be wailing and gnashing if Trump is maneuvered out of the nomination, but you can be sure that the non-Trump types will pout sufficiently if he does get the nomination. Those same (pardon my snicker) "party loyalists" will very likely refuse to vote in sufficient numbers to throw the election to Hillary Shelob Klingon. Then we can all be unhappy together.

Thus is a sort of fucked-up karma balanced.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 09:00 AM (Bdeb0)

385
I will deliver adult policies like my Daddy delivered adult magazines to the American public.

Posted by: John Kasich at March 04, 2016 09:00 AM (2rmvw)

386 316

The conservative blogosphere is going with Lion Ted versus Lying Ted that Trump kept tossing out.
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Their motto: Never get in the car with Lion Ted.

Posted by: Roy at March 04, 2016 09:00 AM (fWLrt)

387 But will the butthurt be gargantuan?
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches

Something something "the Lube"! might help.

I just felt it was important to work in a Kill Bill reference.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 04, 2016 09:00 AM (1xUj/)

388 The worst statement made by any candidate was uttered by Donald Trump last night in response to a legitimate question from Weasel Wallace:

"the military will do what I tell them."

Allen West has an excellent summary of the debate and the race in general this morning, and it's depressing:
http://tinyurl.com/hj6qm8b

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 04, 2016 09:00 AM (DofIg)

389

hehe

The Daily Beast

How the P.C. Police Propelled Donald Trump

By assailing sensible conservatives as sexists, racists, and imbeciles, they paved the way for a jackass who embodies their worst fears.

The American left created Donald Trump.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 04, 2016 09:00 AM (qCMvj)

390 The problem is not that to get anything done you have to be flexible and negotiate. The problem is the Democrats NEVER Compromise anymore. THAT is the problem. It is always their way or the highway. Fuck that shit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 09:01 AM (mw8Dm)

391 So, congrats, anti-Trump media and establishment, you cornered the mad dog. Now what?

Posted by: votermom at March 04, 2016 08:31 AM (cbfNE)

I do get your point about the anger that Trump represents but that is not Trump. I think that Cruz's supporters share that anger so people leaving Trump because he is not what he said he was will find a home amongst us.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 09:01 AM (NPofj)

392 You know what, Ace? We can score this ourselves.

What is your goal? Do you want to change the status quo or let Romney drive the Republican cart? There is no middle of the road.

Me? I'm in the let it burn mood, I have nowhere else to go. The only way to get through to the DC crowd is to annihilate them. They must be made to feel the pain they inflicted on the rest of the party, and the country for that matter.

Posted by: Decaf at March 04, 2016 09:02 AM (KAB75)

393 My understanding is that after the first vote they are no longer bound. At that point, they can vote for whoever they want. Is that not true?
They release in stages. First vote everybody is bound, including delegates for candidates no longer running, so those votes are effectively for an empty seat. On the second vote something like 50% are unbound, and if I recall about 80% unbound on the third vote.
If nobody has a majority going in it will be known by all and the horse trading I would think would occur mostly before and outside the convention.

Posted by: mov at March 04, 2016 09:03 AM (kUmUV)

394 no republican has become the republican nominee in the last 40 years without winning either iowa or new hampshire

Posted by: runner at March 04, 2016 09:04 AM (c6/9Q)

395 I feel old when I realize the original members of Menudo are now in their 50's.

*whaaaaa*

The little Amish kid from Witness has grey hair now.

Posted by: eleven at March 04, 2016 09:04 AM (qUNWi)

396 Allll by myyyyseeeeellllf
I don't get it

Was The Donald talking about foreign grads of US schools staying and getting work visas or did all US STEM workers get steamroller yet again

So in this year of the vox populist when Disney workers are literally in tears before congress the best we can get u a a 6 month pause on h1bs from ted?

WASS

Posted by: ginaswo at March 04, 2016 09:04 AM (qxNrP)

397 You know what, Ace? We can score this ourselves.

What is your goal?

Good god. If "we" could come up with clown fires and blind children and burning clown boners there would be no need for the ace.

He is irreplaceable.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 04, 2016 09:04 AM (1xUj/)

398 I will also point out that yesterday and last night
is only a small taste of what Trump would face in the general (and
nothing compared to what the establishment and the press has said and
tried to do to Ted Cruz since he was elected). Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 08:50 AM

You might also be aware that -- if he gets the nomination -- Rafael will receive equally harsh treatment. The media hasn't even begun to go after him yet. And G*d forbid some pathetic GOPe loser like Mutt Rombley gets a hair up his ass about him.

Right now, Cruz is in that no-man's-land with the media between their pre-nomination "appreciation" for John McCain and their virulent hatred for Trump. But when he faces Shrillery, the gloves will come off.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 04, 2016 09:04 AM (WIZNc)

399 Somebody give me the real deal on this debate. The guys at work ... all pretty impartial ... are saying it was just more of the same.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 04, 2016 09:05 AM (UqKfP)

400 The worst statement made by any candidate was uttered by Donald Trump last night in response to a legitimate question from Weasel Wallace:

"the military will do what I tell them."

How is that any different from past presidents?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 09:06 AM (utT6Q)

401 "15 >>Forget that it was Mitt Romney, and what he said was essentially accurate.

I prefer to remember it was Mitt Romney since he has been right about pretty much everything. Remind me again why I am supposed to hate him?"

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Ooh, yeah, back to the future with Mitt, including the exploding hover boards made in China.

Posted by: Decaf at March 04, 2016 09:06 AM (KAB75)

402 Is Cruz having any Florida rallies?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 09:06 AM (WnCSK)

403 You might also be aware that -- if he gets the nomination -- Rafael will receive equally harsh treatment. The media hasn't even begun to go after him yet. And G*d forbid some pathetic GOPe loser like Mutt Rombley gets a hair up his ass about him.

Right now, Cruz is in that no-man's-land with the media between their pre-nomination "appreciation" for John McCain and their virulent hatred for Trump. But when he faces Shrillery, the gloves will come off.
Posted by: MrScribbler

They'll kill him.....I can't wait.

Posted by: lady Lindsey, scourge of the Senate at March 04, 2016 09:06 AM (326rv)

404 >>A brokered convention gets you Paul Ryan

How so?

***

The GOP would rather lose with their guy than win with someone else's. Rubio will have proven he's a loser, so they'll try to push the "acceptable" candidate on us. I've been saying this for about two weeks and started watching Ryan for signs of posturing/positioning.

He has since decided to go after Obama for his deportation orders and put together a task force to reduce the regulatory burden on businesses.

Immigration.... check

Jobs and economy.... check

OH! And, yesterday, a Super PAC was formed to draft Ryan for the White House.

Uh huh.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 09:07 AM (8PbKi)

405 Populi! Effin autocucumber

Posted by: ginaswo at March 04, 2016 09:07 AM (qxNrP)

406 >>The worst statement made by any candidate was uttered by Donald Trump last night in response to a legitimate question from Weasel Wallace:

"the military will do what I tell them."

Yeah. That's what commanders in chief do.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 09:08 AM (Bdeb0)

407
I think the mental image of psychotic clowns squirting gasoline from clowny lapel flowers onto screaming blind children burning to death in flaming agony will stay with me for awhile.

I think Cruz could've exploited better Trump's admission that his radical 'round 'em up and send 'em back' stance on immigration is purelybunkum for the rubes. Really curious to see how Trump supporters respond to this admission. I mean, don't you Trump peopleenthusiastically follow the guy because he 'tells it like it is'? Do you suck it up and keep following or do you act like free Americans and tell that would-be Dear Leader to pound sand?

Posted by: troyriser at March 04, 2016 09:08 AM (UWlp+)

408 >>>Really curious to see how Trump supporters respond to this admission. I mean, don't you Trump peopleenthusiastically follow the guy because he 'tells it like it is'

TED CRUZ ATE A BOOGER! And check out that Drudge poll!

Posted by: El Kabong at March 04, 2016 09:09 AM (MCmqp)

409 "I feel old when I realize the original members of Menudo are now in their 50's."

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They're still younger than me.

Posted by: Decaf at March 04, 2016 09:09 AM (KAB75)

410 "Really curious to see how Trump supporters respond to this admission. I mean, don't you Trump peopleenthusiastically follow the guy because he 'tells it like it is'

TED CRUZ ATE A BOOGER! And check out that Drudge poll!"

Your disdain does nothing to improve the situation...

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 09:10 AM (WnCSK)

411 Right now, Cruz is in that no-man's-land with the media between their pre-nomination "appreciation" for John McCain and their virulent hatred for Trump. But when he faces Shrillery, the gloves will come off.

Psssst. Keep it on the down low, but Cruz is Canadian.

Doesn't matter if he is, or isn't, THAT is all the LiV's will see from now until November.
THAT is a fully weaponized media.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 09:11 AM (utT6Q)

412 I wonder if all of that "community service" and
internship nonsense is to get people used to not keeping the fruits of
their labor?
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 04, 2016 08:40 AM (J+mig)

It is a direct ideological copy of the Cuban and Maoist revolution's use of coerced and forced labor in the fields. Both economies were focused on agricultural gang labor, highly labor intensive.
And the whole compact between working and getting paid got seriously damaged in the revolution and collectivization of agriculture, so college kids were impressed to do the work as well

Of course there is no overwhelming need for it, yet, so it is more cargo-cult magic to bring about correct socialist revolution action than an actual economic need.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 04, 2016 09:11 AM (q2o38)

413 New York Times and Washington Post drawing straws on who gets to fact check Donald Trump penis size.

Ann Coulter keeps frantically waving her arms screaming "I'll do it!"

Posted by: portlandon at March 04, 2016 09:13 AM (Y+2sJ)

414 The worst statement made by any candidate was uttered by Donald Trump last night in response to a legitimate question from Weasel Wallace:

"the military will do what I tell them."

Yeah. That's what commanders in chief do.Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 09:08 AM (Bdeb0)

I'm confident my son, an infantry NCO,will know where to aim his rifle if some batshit crazy meglomaniac orders him to shoot innocent civilians.

Posted by: troyriser at March 04, 2016 09:14 AM (UWlp+)

415 "Really curious to see how Trump supporters respond to this admission. I mean, don't you Trump peopleenthusiastically follow the guy because he 'tells it like it is'

TED CRUZ ATE A BOOGER! And check out that Drudge poll!"

Your disdain does nothing to improve the situation...

Actually, it does. It cements my decision to go hog hunting on voting day. If I wanted to vote for an amnesty shill, I could vote for Rubio or Cruz.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 09:14 AM (utT6Q)

416 If a candidate's background is serving in the Senate, where he is but one voice and cannot do anything unilaterally, should it be held against him when he votes the way he said he would but others do not? A Senator's vote is his track record. I would prefer a conservative former Governor, but they all had to drop out early because voters care about style, not substance. You can only make a choice from the available options. When it comes to credibility, Trump has the least of all the candidates, simply due to how often his positions have changed.

Posted by: Myself at March 04, 2016 09:14 AM (5wiU6)

417 Doesn't matter if he is, or isn't, THAT is all the LiV's will see from now until November.
THAT is a fully weaponized media.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 09:11 AM

Indeed. And the Cruzers will respond to that with Outraged Outrage.

In short, they will react exactly like the Trump supporters they love to scorn loudly and repeatedly.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 04, 2016 09:15 AM (WIZNc)

418 My favorite part of the comments is where Trumpsplainers call Cruz part of the establishment without a trace of irony.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 04, 2016 09:16 AM (sQQU0)

419 "When it comes to credibility, Trump has the least of all the candidates, simply due to how often his positions have changed."

But only in that context. Look outside government and its a completely different picture.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 09:16 AM (WnCSK)

420 "Somebody give me the real deal on this debate. The guys at work ... all pretty impartial ... are saying it was just more of the same.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 04, 2016 09:05 AM (UqKfP)"

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Of course they are. There should have been just three, everything else since then has been tedious.

I only watched the first two which were boring enough.

Posted by: Decaf at March 04, 2016 09:16 AM (KAB75)

421 >>I'm confident my son, an infantry NCO,will know where to aim his rifle if some batshit crazy meglomaniac orders him to shoot innocent civilians.

I'm confident your son won't aim his rifle until someone tells him to. It kinda works up from there.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 09:18 AM (Bdeb0)

422 Gee, what are you, Grump? Some kind of ELITIST or something? We're populists, we don't want a president who knows anything!

/sarc
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at March 04, 2016 08:39 AM (P8951)

Someone described Benjamin Franklin as the smartest guy in the room who didn't make you feel bad about it. There is a skill to being able to do that. Cruz doesn't have it. He needs to work on it.

Posted by: WOPR at March 04, 2016 09:20 AM (LTDSy)

423 So in this year of the vox populist when Disney
workers are literally in tears before congress the best we can get u a a
6 month pause on h1bs from ted?

WASS

Posted by: ginaswo at March 04, 2016 09:04 AM (qxNrP)

Not just a six month pause... that pause is to rewrite the rules so companies have to hire American first (and so they can't fire Americans and replace them with foreign labor).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 09:20 AM (NPofj)

424 Why is Marco Rubio interested in Donald Trump's penis size?

Posted by: The FOX Debate Moderators at March 04, 2016 09:22 AM (UzPAd)

425 "But only in that context. Look outside government and its a completely different picture."

Trump University would be a counterpoint to that statement.

Posted by: Myself at March 04, 2016 09:22 AM (5wiU6)

426 "The GOP would rather lose with their guy than win with someone else's. Rubio will have proven he's a loser, so they'll try to push the "acceptable" candidate on us. I've been saying this for about two weeks and started watching Ryan for signs of posturing/positioning."

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They can plan on losing all they want but there are still two non- establishment candidates who have other ideas.

Posted by: Decaf at March 04, 2016 09:22 AM (KAB75)

427 Cruz needs to hit more on issues that are at the heart of the working class. What he syas on jobs just dcoes not seem to cut it. Same with healthcare. I wish he would expand on this to touch base with more fo the Trump supporters. Could make a difference.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 09:23 AM (WnCSK)

428 Actually, it does. It cements my decision to go hog
hunting on voting day. If I wanted to vote for an amnesty shill, I could
vote for Rubio or Cruz.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 09:14 AM (utT6Q)

You got that half right I guess... Cruz has never been for amnesty.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 09:23 AM (NPofj)

429 I'm confident my son, an infantry NCO,will know where to aim his rifle if some batshit crazy meglomaniac orders him to shoot innocent civilians.

Who is talking about shooting innocent civilians?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 09:25 AM (mw8Dm)

430
They can plan on losing all they want but there are still two non- establishment candidates who have other ideas.

***

Yep. And Cruz continues to improve in both performance and visibility. Rubio seems to have deluded himself into believing he is the one and only candidate acceptable to the GOPe. He doesn't see at all that they will dump his ass at a brokered convention.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 09:25 AM (8PbKi)

431 "Trump University would be a counterpoint to that statement."

Good grief...he has a few failures...sure. What successful person doesn't? My point was whether you like him or not he does get things done and runs circle around goverment red tape.

You were discussing politcal records...Trump does not yet have any because he has not been in government. People who are unbiased will then look at his private sector record and make a comparable judgement.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 09:25 AM (WnCSK)

432 This is why I read this stupid blog, Ace. Thanks for making me snort coffee through my nose this morning.

Posted by: JBrother at March 04, 2016 09:25 AM (tiZ4y)

433 The question that got Trump to respond, "the military will do what I tell them to do", Dealt with the waterboarding issue.

And Trump Reacted to waterboarding like the joke that it is. Not torture. And he said, "I'm going to do worse".

I would say that's a good way to keep the enemies of this country guessing as to what we're capable of doing. Not a bad thing when we have 100,000 armed maniacs running around willing to cut the heads off children for their god...

But you Trump-deniers go ahead and keep freaking out over these supposedly "scary" statements by Trump.

Yeesh.

Posted by: zzBottom at March 04, 2016 09:27 AM (mn0Jm)

434 " Rubio seems to have deluded himself into believing he is the one and only candidate acceptable to the GOPe. "

He really is in the shit in Florida...what are his approvals...in the 30s or something?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 09:28 AM (WnCSK)

435 >>Cruz continues to improve in both performance and visibility

That may be so (I still think his performance is stilted and not compelling), but unless he starts bringing more electoral scalps to the table, his "performance and visibility" probably aren't gonna cut much ice.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 09:29 AM (Bdeb0)

436 Yeah, I'm starting to move to Cruz. Interestingly, he's moved ahead of Trump on the immigration issue according to Numbers USA:
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/elections/races/presidential/2016-presidential-hopefuls.html

I still think he's a regional candidate, but if Trump won't stay firm on immigration, then there's really no serious reason to back him other than the demolition job he's doing on the GOPe.

Posted by: Schaeffer at March 04, 2016 09:30 AM (8t5CA)

437 He really is in the shit in Florida...what are his approvals...in the 30s or something?

***

Yep.

He is not the favorite son.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 04, 2016 09:30 AM (8PbKi)

438 I'm listening now to a replay of Mitt saying that Trump "doesn't have the temperament" to be president.

I want someone in that office who will get mad.

I want the president to kick a trash can down the aisle of every federal agency, fire the first 20 people he sees and tell the highest ranking person left that they have 2 weeks to straighten things up or they'll be fired.

I don't want anyone who promises a commission to study the problems.

It's time for radical change.

Posted by: jwest at March 04, 2016 09:30 AM (Zs4uk)

439 "Good grief...he has a few failures...sure. What successful person
doesn't? My point was whether you like him or not he does get things
done and runs circle around government red tape."

That was not a failure- it was fraud. It goes back to credibility. He makes lots of promises that he is not able to keep.

Posted by: Myself at March 04, 2016 09:30 AM (5wiU6)

440 "His answers to questions about Trump University and the budget were
somewhat uncomfortable to watch, in much the same way that it is
uncomfortable to watch a bus full of circus clowns crash into a school
for blind children and even worse the clowns were doing their "Gasoline
Comedy" act that day and now all the blind children are on fire and the
clowns are trying to squirt water on them with their stupid
lapel-flowers but the flowers are just squirting out more gas and the
children are crying tears of fire out of their Unseeing Dead Eyes and
holy shit a couple of the clowns look like they have boners and
they're chasing around the fiery blind children trying to rub up on them
with these bobbling clown-boners with big red bulbs on their tips."

Fucking Shakespeare himself would be jealous, Ace. Well done.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 09:31 AM (pUDQf)

441 A little something for the moron-in-chief

https://hotgas.net/2016/03/debate-transcript-proves-fix-last-night/

Posted by: gh at March 04, 2016 09:31 AM (YlqSL)

442 "He makes lots of promises that he is not able to keep."

And politicians do????

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 09:33 AM (WnCSK)

443 371 Also, Adams, son of a POTUS - elites are always nepotistic - Votermom

John Adams had another son that was alcoholic. He and his wife both washed their hands of him and disavowed him. He died relatively young from his alcoholism. John Quincy was at his father's side from an early age displaying both a desire to learn and a well-developed sense of right and wrong, order and fairness. JQ's education and experience is unmatched by any of his contemporaries, from the incredible value of being taught by two of the best minds in Revolutionary America - his mother and father - to the studies abroad, with Thomas Jefferson, and the various ambassadorships and governmental posts.

He was the one man trusted above all others by his father and America is lucky to have had the Adams' depth of knowledge and experience in our gestation, birth and early and formative years.

This post is not meant as a personal assault to your point and I hope it won't read that way. I just revere the statesmanship and scholarship of all the Adams', Abigail's included, and cannot sit idly by while even the smallest besmirching of the truly superhuman achievement they accomplished in just two generations. Nepotism is a charge that America still owes John and Abigail a debt of gratitude for.

Posted by: 7Mike at March 04, 2016 09:34 AM (pxwEr)

444 Flexible Donald. Very Flexible. Really, fabulously limber. Will bend over in any direction needed.

He's doing more back peddling than when Sammy Davis Junior realized that was actually a man, baby!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 09:34 AM (pUDQf)

445 >>I want the president to kick a trash can down the aisle of every federal agency, fire the first 20 people he sees and tell the highest ranking person left that they have 2 weeks to straighten things up or they'll be fired.

That's a good start. I'd prefer: "I want the president to kick Sid Blumenthal down the aisle of every federal agency, eat the first 20 people he sees, and tell the highest ranking person left that a microchip has been implanted in their brain that'll detonate in ten minutes, no pass go, no collect $200.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 09:34 AM (Bdeb0)

446
"The little Amish kid from Witness has grey hair now."

Well, walking to Mordor to toss a ring into a volcano does age one.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 04, 2016 09:35 AM (8Q1Gy)

447 Posted by: @PeeteySDee at March 04, 2016 08:18 AM (zhygx)
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Love the nic.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 04, 2016 09:35 AM (dFi94)

448 "And politicians do????"

Yes- of course. Trump fits in perfectly.

Posted by: Myself at March 04, 2016 09:35 AM (5wiU6)

449 Ah, there's the classic Ace we remember.

Almost like getting a Photoshop from Allahpundit.

Posted by: TallDave at March 04, 2016 09:35 AM (74ZYB)

450 Cruz has said he'd support Marco over Trump, so not sure why anyone thinks Cruz would stop a brokered convention over giving it all to Donald to avoid that. And, announcing that might cause his supporters to flee him prematurely anyway. Ostensibly, people are supporting him because he's a serious conservative thinker.
Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 04, 2016 08:31 AM (XQtfF)
--------------------------
The Trump supporters don't want serious and they don't want a thinker. They want a thin-skinned, loud mouth, left of center candidate. They just can't see it or are just too proud to admit they have made a mistake supporting The Donald.
Trump has changed his position on almost every issue and yet that doesn't even concern them. I'ts ok to evolve on an issue, but Trump changes depending on what Liberal or Conservative is interviewing him
Sad.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 09:36 AM (7GQM/)

451
Not just a six month pause... that pause is to
rewrite the rules so companies have to hire American first (and so they
can't fire Americans and replace them with foreign labor).
Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 09:20 AM (NPofj)

You know my personal fantasy is that the H2B visas are rolled into the protection, time frame and benefits required under the H2A rules.
Imagine taking care of your data-base operator under the Migrant and Seasonal Protection Act, with specific regs on housing, hours and pay.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 04, 2016 09:36 AM (q2o38)

452
It's time for radical change.

Posted by: jwest at March 04, 2016 09:30 AM (Zs4uk)

Consider for a moment, the possibility that the mad man you want is actually not really mad, nor is he going to do any of the cool shit he's promised to do. In fact, he's probably gonna do the opposite.
Now what?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 09:36 AM (pUDQf)

453 ""And politicians do????"

Yes- of course. Trump fits in perfectly."

So.......who are you waiting for to run then?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 09:36 AM (WnCSK)

454 I want the president to kick a trash can down the aisle of every federal agency, fire the first 20 people he sees and tell the highest ranking person left that they have 2 weeks to straighten things up or they'll be fired.

I don't want anyone who promises a commission to study the problems.

It's time for radical change.
Posted by: jwest at March 04, 2016 09:30 AM (Zs4uk)

I couldn't agree more. My own plan would fire so many fedgov employees through outright agency closings that the unemployment rate would rise.

Posted by: 7Mike at March 04, 2016 09:37 AM (pxwEr)

455 I think I saw Hayek Ducks open for The Fathers Of
Mises at the Capitol Theatre in Passaic NJ in 1982. But then again, that
was during my young-and-stupid phase so maybe it was just an Asia
concert.
Posted by: DocJ at March 04, 2016 08:57 AM (NYS7S)

The lead for The Fathers of Mises was Carl Menger, right?

Posted by: Kindltot at March 04, 2016 09:37 AM (q2o38)

456 His answers to questions about Trump University and the budget were somewhat uncomfortable to watch, in much the same way that it is uncomfortable to watch a bus full of circus clowns crash into a school for blind children and even worse the clowns were doing their "Gasoline Comedy" act that day and now all the blind children are on fire and the clowns are trying to squirt water on them with their stupid lapel-flowers but the flowers are just squirting out more gas and the children are crying tears of fire out of their Unseeing Dead Eyes and holy shit a couple of the clowns look like they have boners and they're chasing around the fiery blind children trying to rub up on them with these bobbling clown-boners with big red bulbs on their tips.

In other words, as Trump would say: Not the best. Really not terrific. A real mess!

Grade: I don't even know how to even start grading this. As far as a letter grade, I give a red X carved crudely through the face of a rotting pig with a bunch of stripper-glitter tossed on it.

Ace...I think I love you. Nearly pissed myself reading this. Pure Poetry

Posted by: Timon at March 04, 2016 09:37 AM (KSonr)

457 Trump is Flexible:

2016: Trumby! {Gumby with a combover)

~/ He was once a yuuuuuge ball of clay, Trumby! /~

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 04, 2016 09:39 AM (8Q1Gy)

458 Figured CNN wouldn't be able to help themselves.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 09:39 AM (pUDQf)

459 I'm not waiting for anyone. I'm voting for Cruz in the Maine GOP caucus tomorrow.

Posted by: Myself at March 04, 2016 09:39 AM (5wiU6)

460 " I'm not waiting for anyone. I'm voting for Cruz in the Maine GOP caucus tomorrow."

Enjoy.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 09:40 AM (WnCSK)

461 My favorite part of the comments is where Trumpsplainers call Cruz part of the establishment without a trace of irony.
Posted by: fightwinger at March 04, 2016 09:16 AM (sQQU0)
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It's surreal.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 09:40 AM (7GQM/)

462 So only Cruz can claim with any credibility at all that he'll oppose the immigrant invasion.

And his record leaves a lot to be desired.

Well, alrighty then.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 04, 2016 09:41 AM (Dttnn)

463 Wow, Twitter's loss is definitely our gain!

Ace just rawks these days!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at March 04, 2016 09:42 AM (XdbLA)

464 Cruz had a good night. I like Cruz. Will he win? Is it too late? I'm afraid it is.

Trump: ugh. But, I'd still take him over Rubio or Kasich.

Rubio really had a bad night. He reminded me of a very young sophomore who thinks he's a lot smarter than he is, and just comes off as snarky.

Posted by: CatoRenasci at March 04, 2016 09:46 AM (3ajw7)

465 Donald Trump. Repudiated the Jeff Sessions Immigration Plan -- which was the only reason to support him -- by declaring he was "changing" and "softening" it because we need all these highly-skilled people to take our jobs. Then said he would be "flexible" on the wall and deporting illegals and pretty much admitted he'd said as much to the New York Times editorial board, and then, in case you were unsure if you'd heard him right, praised Marco Rubio's Amnesty plan as "fine" and a good opening bargaining position.

****

What you all probably heard last night was the sound of me laughing uproariously at Donald Trump admitting to the Trump fans - or, hat tip to Ace, the "Trump curious" - that he's been con jobbing the lot of you. let's see, open to more H1B1 visas, "changing / softening" on hardline immigration stances, states he plans to "negotiate with Democrats" on an immigration deal.....

.....isn't that, oh, EVERYTHING that all of you Establishment haters found / find so completely disqualifying of Rubio?

Yeah, your Orange Emperor God just acknowledged he was going to do all the same things if elected.

It was hilarious.

The sound you heard after my laughter, of course, was the sound of my sobbing, when the wave of reality that his admissions 1) probably won't mean anything in terms of support because 2) most of the right-leaning electorate will probably vote for him anyway. You've signed on to the cult of personality.

That said, it's going to be so, so, SO MUCH FUN exposing the hypocrisy of all of the frauds in the conservative media supporting this grifter, and it's going to be an endless amount of comedy watching the Hannitys and Coulters and Limbaughs of the world break their logic circuits trying to rationalize it when Trump literally does nothing that he's claimed he was going to do re: immigration.

Posted by: Vyce at March 04, 2016 09:47 AM (25KoR)

466 Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 09:36 AM (7GQM/)

The crazy thing, it's not just that they believe he's strong on immigration even though his plan was always amnesty. They also believe he's trustworthy despite his Trump University fraud and his blatant lies like the one about loudly opposing the Iraq effort.

He really is the GOP Obama - where Obama spoke in genial generalities about a purple country (before going full-bore leftwing troll the minute he was elected), Trump says so many stupid, crazy and contradictory things that people just read whatever they want from his statements into whatever they hope his beliefs are.

Unfortunately, where the media tended to ignore Obama's forays into loony extremist ideology, embrace of people openly committed to violence, and close ties to virulent racists, they will focus on Trump's to the exclusion of all else.

Posted by: TallDave at March 04, 2016 09:47 AM (74ZYB)

467 I've enjoyed a lot of Trump's theatrics and I haven't been very critical of his supporters.

It's time to get real, though. Trump is a fucking clown. He's a dangerous clown in that he has no regard for the Constitution.

None.

I'm as angry as anyone around here, but Trump just isn't the answer.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 04, 2016 09:52 AM (Dttnn)

468 426 "The GOP would rather lose with their guy than win with someone else's. Rubio will have proven he's a loser, so they'll try to push the "acceptable" candidate on us. I've been saying this for about two weeks and started watching Ryan for signs of posturing/positioning."

***

Oh, I wouldn't bet on the Establishment backing Rubio at a convention.

Now that Donald has admitted that he's "softening" on immigration, I think those in the "establishment" who want immigration reform are probably going to swing back to at least softly supporting Trump.

Posted by: Vyce at March 04, 2016 09:52 AM (25KoR)

469 >>He really is the GOP Obama

He's not. Obama co-opted the Democratic Party, and they were glad to be co-opted.

Trump is demonstrating that the RNC can be beat, and is telling that same RNC in no uncertain terms to eat its own head, and they hate him with a passion for it.

If all that comes out of a Trump win is that Priebus and Romney and all the other squealing cake-eaters denounce each other prior to a circular firing squad, it will have been worth it.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 09:56 AM (Bdeb0)

470 Ted Cruz is building a coalition. Just sayin...

My fear though, is the boulder has too much momentum already and those who did watch the debate and now know, from the man himself, that he's walking back all his fabulous, velvet positions, will change their vote, but they will be no foil to the multitude who spent Thursday night doing something else.

Hard to unplug Frankenstein once you zapped him alive with your 'Fuck the GOPe' lightning bolt.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 09:56 AM (pUDQf)

471 Morning horde.

Now that thats out of the way, I'm going to sue everyone here for slander so I am writing all your names down on my yuuuuge dick.

Posted by: Trumpnado at March 04, 2016 09:57 AM (gxIP7)

472 What if debates were just two candidates in chairs acting both as host and guest? Selected round-robin and thrown up on youtube? With the question, tenor and length agreed upon just by the two.

The moderators are shit. The audience is shit. I don't want them there, and we don't actually need them.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 04, 2016 09:57 AM (VdICR)

473 The crazy thing, it's not just that they believe he's strong on immigration even though his plan was always amnesty. They also believe he's trustworthy despite his Trump University fraud and his blatant lies like the one about loudly opposing the Iraq effort.

He really is the GOP Obama - where Obama spoke in genial generalities about a purple country (before going full-bore leftwing troll the minute he was elected), Trump says so many stupid, crazy and contradictory things that people just read whatever they want from his statements into whatever they hope his beliefs are.
Posted by: TallDave at March 04, 2016 09:47 AM (74ZYB)
It's become a cult.
The Trump supporters are the jury in the OJ trial- the evidence is there they just refuse to see it.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 09:57 AM (7GQM/)

474 >>are probably going to swing back to at least softly supporting Trump.

I doubt that. We're in allegory-of-the-cave territory now. They have to beat him to death for his heresy.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 09:58 AM (Bdeb0)

475 ICYMI:

CRUZ: "I am a believer in the 10th Amendment in the Constitution" | GOP debate transcript http://wpo.st/68WI1

I defy any of you who have spent years here claiming to care about Federalism to justify voting for anyone other than Ted Cruz after reading that debate transcript.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 04, 2016 09:59 AM (t5zYU)

476 If all that comes out of a Trump win is that Priebus
and Romney and all the other squealing cake-eaters denounce each other
prior to a circular firing squad, it will have been worth it.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 09:56 AM (Bdeb0)

So you'd cut off your nose to spite your face, installing a very flexible NY liberal into the Whitehouse, just to get back at some mealy-mouthed twit like Rince Preibus?

Seriously, you'd sink the whole ship to kill a mouse?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 09:59 AM (pUDQf)

477 "His answers to questions about Trump University and the budget were somewhat uncomfortable to watch, in much the same way that it is uncomfortable to watch a bus full of circus clowns crash into a school for blind children and even worse the clowns were doing their "Gasoline Comedy" act that day and now all the blind children are on fire and the clowns are trying to squirt water on them with their stupid lapel-flowers but the flowers are just squirting out more gas and the children are crying tears of fire out of their Unseeing Dead Eyes and holy shit a couple of the clowns look like they have boners and they're chasing around the fiery blind children trying to rub up on them with these bobbling clown-boners with big red bulbs on their tips."

So ... you're saying ... it's like eating a bowl of Kaboom?

Posted by: Nimrod Neebus at March 04, 2016 10:00 AM (epNav)

478 >>Seriously, you'd sink the whole ship to kill a mouse?

No, not a mouse. But I'd consider keelhauling the captain and his crew if they kept ramming the ship I'm on into the same iceberg, decade after decade.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:02 AM (Bdeb0)

479 Quite possibly your best ever, Ace!
Thanks for the morning guffaws.

Posted by: VA MK Z at March 04, 2016 10:03 AM (+0aiQ)

480 I want the president to kick a trash can down the aisle of every federal agency, fire the first 20 people he sees and tell the highest ranking person left that they have 2 weeks to straighten things up or they'll be fired.

Pretty much what I want too. So what makes you think Trump will do anything remotely like this?

Posted by: DocJ at March 04, 2016 10:03 AM (NYS7S)

481 Sometimes, a man's got to know his limitations.

Last night, we got the latest show of just how significant are Teh Trumpster's limitations.

Good God, the man isn't even as believable as a used car salesman.

ABHOT - *Anyone* but Hil-LIAR-y or Trump

Posted by: tlk428 at March 04, 2016 10:05 AM (p3iwJ)

482 Eh. Didn't watch. I have a job.

5 on 1 and I've heard it said that the Fox moderators were under orders to "get Trump out".

So the anti-Trump people dump on the guy's personality and the tone of his response. Trump softens his immigration rhetoric and suddenly he's abandoned his one redeeming message. Smart candidates avoid fights on other people's chosen battlefields. And it sounds like Cruz and Rubio were hungry for policy debate.

Cruz and Rubio are lawyers. And senators. They're debate club presidents. All they've accomplished for America in the Senate is: Zero. Or in Rubio's case, a starring role in the Gang of Eight.

Sorry, the more I've seen and heard of Cruz during this campaign, the less I think of him. All hat and no cattle.

Posted by: mrp at March 04, 2016 10:06 AM (JBggj)

483 >>So what makes you think Trump will do anything remotely like this?

He told me so, this morning. There I was, kneeling in my trailer at my homemade Trump-shrine, burning incense to the little scowling, suited Mattel facsimile. I asked him: "Lord Trump, will you suffer to kick cans and fire people? Long have we waited."

And I swear, the little Trump-doll winked at me.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:06 AM (Bdeb0)

484 Morning horde.

Now that thats out of the way, I'm going to sue everyone here for slander so I am writing all your names down on my yuuuuge dick.
Posted by: Trumpnado at March 04, 2016 09:57 AM (gxIP7)
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Bwhahahaha!

If Trump were to be elected he will also be known as President Lawsuit. We'll all be in court or audited. So nothing really changes does it?

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 10:08 AM (7GQM/)

485 And I swear, the little Trump-doll winked at me.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:06 AM (Bdeb0)

He winked because you were kneeling.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:08 AM (pUDQf)

486 Wishcasting, blank screen etc. Except for immigration, maybe, Trump is a liberal Republican at best. A centerist Democrat at worst.
.......

Agree, except now Trump is running to the left of Rubio on immigration.

Posted by: stace at March 04, 2016 10:08 AM (ozZau)

487 Meh.

Trump talked of flexibility in an interview with that York guy. right before Iowa.

Nothingburger.

Posted by: eman at March 04, 2016 10:09 AM (Ahbpx)

488 >>He winked because you were kneeling.

Heresy. He will cull the herd and know His own. I'd be buying an indugence about now, if I were you.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:10 AM (Bdeb0)

489 Posted by: mrp at March 04, 2016 10:06 AM (JBggj)

He didn't soften his rhetoric, he softened his positions. Key difference.

So now the story is, those meany Fox news moderators and debate club boys made Trump mad and he flip flopped on his positions to appease the meanies?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:11 AM (pUDQf)

490 What I take from this article is that we should forget the lies and changing positions of Cruz and Rubio because they are more articulate than Trump.

We should vote for the guy who speaks more like a career politician .

That's what we've been doing for the last 50 years and that is what brought us to Donald Trump.

So let's just keep on keeping on and vote the establishment guys. I'm sure it will work out better for us this time.

Posted by: monique at March 04, 2016 10:11 AM (+0t2Z)

491 Trump has by the EOB today to walk back his apparent repudiation of his Immigration Policy or he is finished.

Because Immigration is the only issue people are rallying to him over.

I knew he was a scatter brained fast talker who gets lost in his own word salad but you cannot be that stupid to not realize what your're saying about the most important issue with the core of your suporters.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 04, 2016 08:54 AM (6AuRN)

He walked it back in a press release about ten minutes after the debate. His claim is that he is in favor of letting top students who want to immigrate here permanently do so, but against temporary work programs like H1B. Do you believe him? Up to you.

Posted by: Jake at March 04, 2016 10:11 AM (FfwgN)

492 Sorry, the more I've seen and heard of Cruz during this campaign, the less I think of him. All hat and no cattle.
Posted by: mrp at March 04, 2016 10:06 AM (JBggj)

Except for DC vs Heller, Medellin vs Texas and some other SCOTUS cases defending our liberties. Trump never even uses that word.

Posted by: stace at March 04, 2016 10:12 AM (ozZau)

493 488
>>He winked because you were kneeling.

Heresy. He will cull the herd and know His own. I'd be buying an indugence about now, if I were you.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:10 AM (Bdeb0)

Lol. You're alright, Zod. At least you bring the funnies whilst lighting the match in the powder room.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:12 AM (pUDQf)

494 "The crazy thing, it's not just that they believe he's strong on immigration even though his [Trump's] plan was always amnesty."

That's overstrong. Trump's position was enforcement first, and you have strong analysts like Kaus who signed onto it. Moreover, Trump was subjected to a firestorm when he brought it up that cost him personally, and he held strong. That impresses people, and that's moved him up to the head of the pack. At this time, Cruz wasn't bringing up immigration, even though there were numerous opportunities to do so.

To give Cruz his due, he has improved tremendously, and Trump has fucked himself (his facebook "clarification" notwithstanding, so I will give Cruz credit, but let's not pretend that Trump was some obvious mirage that only fools fell for. Ace himself was intrigued by Trump for a good long time. Why should people who don't follow politics be any better?

Posted by: Schaeffer at March 04, 2016 10:15 AM (8t5CA)

495 Except for DC vs Heller, Medellin vs Texas and some
other SCOTUS cases defending our liberties. Trump never even uses that
word.

Posted by: stace at March 04, 2016 10:12 AM (ozZau)

Calling Mitchy a liar on the senate floor, filibustering for 21 hours straight to defend our country from liberals. Guy is nothing but hot air.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:16 AM (pUDQf)

496 Trump is not a Conservative. Take the cotton out of your ears, take off your rose colored glasses or gold colored glasses and come back from the land of OZ.
See the man behind the curtain for what he really is.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 10:16 AM (7GQM/)

497 I'm a Trump supporter, Alabama. I'm not alright, but thanks anyway. But I do think that, between a fast-talking Yankee with hitchhiker thumbs and a large penis, and an early-model lesbian cylon married to a grinning cadaver, I'll take the former.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:16 AM (Bdeb0)

498 >>Trump is not a Conservative.

No kidding, smarts. He's a wrecking ball.

Stand back.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:17 AM (Bdeb0)

499 Me? I'm in the let it burn mood, I have nowhere else to go. The only way to get through to the DC crowd is to annihilate them. They must be made to feel the pain they inflicted on the rest of the party, and the country for that matter.

Posted by: Decaf at March 04, 2016 09:02 AM (KAB75)

***

Yes. Annihilate them by making "all the deals" with them and being "very flexible." Terrific plan!

Completely unrelatedly, I wonder why the left keeps winning?

Posted by: T at March 04, 2016 10:18 AM (W4Sya)

500 Calling Mitchy a liar on the senate floor, filibustering for 21 hours
straight to defend our country from liberals. Guy is nothing but hot
air.
=====================

Yep. Hot air.

Posted by: mrp at March 04, 2016 10:18 AM (JBggj)

501 497
I'm a Trump supporter, Alabama. I'm not alright, but thanks anyway. But I
do think that, between a fast-talking Yankee with hitchhiker thumbs and
a large penis, and an early-model lesbian cylon married to a grinning
cadaver, I'll take the former.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:16 AM (Bdeb0)

Vote for the penis, get the old lesbian.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:18 AM (pUDQf)

502 My timesheet has been certified. TGIF.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:19 AM (Bdeb0)

503 Guyz, I'm sooper excited to get revenge on DC by taking a wrecking ball to conservatism so that DC becomes even more powerful!

That ought to show 'em!

So. Much. Genius.

Posted by: T at March 04, 2016 10:21 AM (W4Sya)

504 So I take it that Ace really liked Trump's performance.

(Tries to hide Clown boner)

Posted by: TexasJew at March 04, 2016 10:23 AM (N7G17)

505 >>by taking a wrecking ball to conservatism

There's no conservatism worthy of a wrecking-ball-level of effort that I can see.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:25 AM (Bdeb0)

506 Trump isn't even a wrecking ball. That's where you folks are wrong. He's straight up telling you he won't be wrecking anything. He's going to negotiate very fine, luxurious deals. Great deals. Fantastic deals. All the smart people will love his deals.

Your one position was to install someone who would destroy the RINOs in congress. You found out Trump was a liberal in position and a RINO himself. You said no.big.deal, he's SMOD in the form of a combover. Now, he's dropped the tree branch he was going to beat people with and he's grabbed a very fine, velvety twig.

And still, they say, Trump is going to save us.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:25 AM (pUDQf)

507 I didn't see the debate. Did Trump actually talk about his penis?

Posted by: Global Warming made me late for work at March 04, 2016 10:26 AM (VRc/p)

508 Posted by: T at March 04, 2016 10:21 AM (W4Sya)
It's the let's just cut off our nose to spite our face mentality that only hurts all of us. We all have to live in this country.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 10:27 AM (7GQM/)

509 507
I didn't see the debate. Did Trump actually talk about his penis?

Posted by: Global Warming made me late for work at March 04, 2016 10:26 AM (VRc/p)
Yes, he did. High water mark, actually.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:27 AM (pUDQf)

510 Tremendously funny piece.

Dead-on accurate regarding Trump. "I changed" and ended my debate watching when Trump sold out Sessions. I was inclining toward Trump. Now it's Cruz, as I don't believe Trump on anything now.

He has done the one thing that might actually hurt him--and it was an unforced error.

Posted by: skzion at March 04, 2016 10:28 AM (9C0d4)

511 I didn't see the debate. Did Trump actually talk about his penis?
Posted by: Global Warming made me late for work at March 04, 2016 10:26 AM (VRc/p)
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Yes, and surprisingly he didn't say it was yuuuuuge.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 10:28 AM (7GQM/)

512 Yes, and surprisingly he didn't say it was yuuuuuge.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 10:28 AM (7GQM/)
Too easy a target. Just start rolling out the women to discuss how little Trump stacks up. CNN, come for news, stay for discussions over Trump's junk.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:30 AM (pUDQf)

513 "There's no conservatism worthy of a wrecking-ball-level of effort that I can see."

This. Conservative "intellectuals" in most think tanks are paid lap dogs churning out one spergy analysis after the next that could have been written for a YAF conference in 1993. It's like the old saying about the French aristocracy after Napoleon, "They've forgotten nothing and learned nothing." If anything else, by forcing loser candidates like Jeb! and Romo to spend millions for a minority share, they've shown the hollowness of the GOPe, and their enablers in the press.

Posted by: Schaeffer at March 04, 2016 10:31 AM (8t5CA)

514 Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:25 AM (pUDQf)
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He's going to make deals with both sides and they are going to be Yuuuuuuuuge!
We're screwed.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 10:31 AM (7GQM/)

515 What happen to those people who were Begging for someone who would take the fight to the Democrats in their cesspool, get down to their level and slug it out with them, Destroy them with their own tactics, and beat them to a bloody pulp? Did you think it wouldn't be messy?

You're worried about a guy willing to do that kind of dirty work "acting presidential"? Are you kidding?

Posted by: zzBottom at March 04, 2016 10:36 AM (wc+Nc)

516 Too easy a target. Just start rolling out the women to discuss how little Trump stacks up. CNN, come for news, stay for discussions over Trump's junk.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:30 AM (pUDQf)
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Just bring out the tape measure and the candidate with the biggest hands is the winner////

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 10:36 AM (7GQM/)

517 Assuming most of you are right about millennial abhorring manual labor and juicing up their CVs with "good works," it would only take a labor pool of a few thousand hard working millennials living within commuting distance of Trump's resort to enable him to hire American. He hasn't done it because that would put him at an economic disadvantage relative to his competitors. Raising the age-old political conundrum: can you profit maximize with the laws in place while arguing for change, or do you have to sacrifice your economic interest to show your policy "purity" in order to get elected?

Posted by: VA MK Z at March 04, 2016 10:38 AM (+0aiQ)

518 My first comment here.

This may be THE FUNNIEST thing I have EVER read ...

Posted by: ShainS at March 04, 2016 10:39 AM (a6Ff7)

519 >>Trump isn't even a wrecking ball. That's where you folks are wrong.

Could be. I'm hoping for a Robespierre (provided there's a political closer to mop up the blood), and he's starting to talk like Fisher/Ury.

And this I don't grok: "Now, he's dropped the tree branch he was going to beat people with and he's grabbed a very fine, velvety twig."

You're gonna have to translate into Walmart if you want this prole to understand or think I'm not past redemption...

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:39 AM (Bdeb0)

520 The robotic man-suit piloted internally by a team of ultra right-wing assassins is lifted straight out of the Doctor Who episode "Let's Kill Hitler." Most memorable for Rory's immortal rendition of the line "Shut up, Hitler."

Posted by: Spellcheck at March 04, 2016 10:41 AM (HKBpI)

521 Via Romney yesterday the establishment has decided to go to a convention. At a convention Cruz and Trump will get zero, zilch, nada. So Cruz people can either fall in with Trump or allow the establishment to put in Rubio, Romney, etc... Either Trump wins outright or brokered convention... there is no third choice in reality.

Posted by: GOPe at March 04, 2016 10:42 AM (GHtJF)

522 Ace, your not credible about anything.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 04, 2016 10:45 AM (LXJ1e)

523 I almost hope they do go to a brokered convention and give the nod to Rubio, so he can go down in a flaming wreck as his base abandons him.

It means a Hillary Administration, but we're looking at that anyhow, and she's so unlikeable, that a smoother, nationalist GOP candidate would have a better shot in 2020.

Posted by: Schaeffer at March 04, 2016 10:46 AM (8t5CA)

524 "There's no conservatism worthy of a wrecking-ball-level of effort that I can see."

Someone upthread's term, not mine. But you're right, we'll totally shrink government by electing the one candidate who wants to cut deals with the left to grow it the most.

That's a much better idea than, you know, electing the guy who's hated by the establishment for being notoriously obstinate and fighting them at every step of the way even when prospects of winning looked bleak. Guys like him never get anything done, and you have to get stuff done if you want to cut deals to make DC more powerful, amirite?

Posted by: T at March 04, 2016 10:48 AM (W4Sya)

525 In other words, as Trump would say: Not the best. Really not terrific. A real mess!

Grade: I don't even know how to even start grading this. As far as a letter grade, I give a red X carved crudely through the face of a rotting pig with a bunch of stripper-glitter tossed on it. Ace
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Perfection.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 10:54 AM (7GQM/)

526 521 Via Romney yesterday the establishment has decided to go to a convention. At a convention Cruz and Trump will get zero, zilch, nada. So Cruz people can either fall in with Trump or allow the establishment to put in Rubio, Romney, etc... Either Trump wins outright or brokered convention... there is no third choice in reality.

I've seen this desperate fiction a few times lately, all since Trump got dogpiled in the pre-Super Tuesday debate and his "inevitability" came into question. It implies that delegates who voted for Trump and Cruz on the first ballot (at this point a virtual certainty to be in the majority) would flip to Rubio or whoever at the second. Takes a lot of contortions to see that happening.

Posted by: fightwinger at March 04, 2016 10:54 AM (sQQU0)

527 >>he can go down in a flaming wreck as his base abandons him.

In this, he'd resemble a risible succession of GOP cup-bearers, to be followed by the all-too-familiar head-scratching and lamentations.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:55 AM (Bdeb0)

528 "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."

Huh. Hasn't that pretty much been the establishment's philosophy all along?

Posted by: cpurick at March 04, 2016 10:57 AM (nawZ+)

529 "That's a much better idea than, you know, electing the guy who's hated by the establishment for being notoriously obstinate and fighting them at every step of the way even when prospects of winning looked bleak. Guys like him never get anything done, and you have to get stuff done if you want to cut deals to make DC more powerful, amirite?"

Yes, you're right. Neither will get anything done, but at least Auric will be interesting.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:58 AM (Bdeb0)

530 It means a Hillary Administration, but we're looking at that anyhow, and she's so unlikeable, that a smoother, nationalist GOP candidate would have a better shot in 2020.
Posted by: Schaeffer at March 04, 2016 10:46 AM (8t5CA)
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We can't wait that long- not this time. The SCOTUS is a lifetime position. It won't matter by then as the country will be totally transformed into a liberal utopia.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 10:58 AM (7GQM/)

531 >>electing the guy who's hated by the establishment for being notoriously obstinate and fighting them at every step of the way even when prospects of winning looked bleak

The magic part comes where Cruz, elected, pushes a conservative agenda through a legislature that wants to gut him with a dull spoon for publicly dumping scorn on them. Yeah. Watching Cruz get a SCOTUS nominee and a socon agenda through that fuck-storm will be bloodsport.

Electing Cruz would be like starting a chess game in checkmate.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:03 AM (Bdeb0)

532 >>We can't wait that long- not this time.

Si se puede! And you can expect to wait longer than that, citizen.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:04 AM (Bdeb0)

533 507 I didn't see the debate. Did Trump actually talk about his penis?
Posted by: Global Warming made me late for work at March 04, 2016 10:26 AM (VRc/p)

Yes, he did, which is remarkable and newsworthy, but blocks out discussion of how he said he would order the military to commit warcrimes and they would do it because he's such a leader. He just shit all over the military again.

Posted by: stace at March 04, 2016 11:07 AM (ozZau)

534 "President Obama wreaked havoc on this nation by using unilateral executive power to grant amnesty, take over the internet, selectively enforce Obamacare to suit his needs, etc., etc., etc."

"President Cruz won't be able to get anything done because no one will work with him."

^one of these things is not like the...

...you know what? Fuck it. What's the point.

Posted by: T at March 04, 2016 11:09 AM (W4Sya)

535 Ace when I asked a few days ago if someone had laced your Kaboom with crystal meth, it was meant as a joke not a suggestion! Take a nice long nap today.

Still, brilliant debate analysis. Wish it was clean enough Rush could read it over the airwaves, but that would kill half the jokes!

Posted by: LizLem at March 04, 2016 11:09 AM (5y4sp)

536 I was missing Ace's take all last night, but reading it now was worth the wait. Hilarious!

The Cruz & Rubio tag team was very effective at pushing Trump off his comfortable talking points and into exposing his shallow knowledge, lack of principles, and an utter willingness to sell out on tough immigration stances. Trump clings to building the Wall as his big idea knowing full well that it will take years to get the money appropriated from Congress and fight the pitched lawfare the left will wage against it. Let alone the construction time. My guess is if he got the job, he'd make a half-hearted effort and let it stall.

Rubio was too sick to be as effective as he was last week. He couldn't talk over Trump as well. Cruz was really on his game. He was more effective at skewering Trump and getting his own points across with the openings that Rubio created.

I'd rather see Cruz win outright, but if it has to go to a contested convention so be it. Hopefully, we'll wind up with Cruz & Rubio as a team in that order to try to reunite the factions. Cruz is right that if Trump is the nominee the left's ad warfare will incinerate Trump and all the downticket candidates. If Trump can't stand up well enough to questioning in a Republican primary, he'll have little chance once the entire Dem/MSM media death star cranks up. We need all the bad stuff out there now so GOP voters can make up their mind. If they choose Trump over it all, then perhaps at least it'll be older news by the Fall.

We're very fortunate that Hillary is such a flawed candidate and has a federal investigation hanging over her head.

Posted by: Jill v2 at March 04, 2016 11:09 AM (1+uyO)

537 So, politically speaking, we've reached the stage in the relationship where Trump is comfortable taking a shit without closing the door.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 11:09 AM (pUDQf)

538 Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 04, 2016 10:45 AM (LXJ1e)

It's really not cool to insult the blog owner on his blog. If you disagree with his view just say so but saying he's not credible on "anything" just sounds bad.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 11:11 AM (w4NZ8)

539 Guys, I think that was me that crashed the link thread. I think I'm about to get barreled, hard.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 04, 2016 11:11 AM (xuouz)

540 The previous thread has been given a vaginoplasty.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 04, 2016 11:11 AM (FYBdm)

541 >>> If anyone didn't realize that Obama was a fuckup in 2012 and couldn't be bothered to vote for the complete opposite then that's on them. Trump has attacked everyone short of Mother Teresa so far this election, you excited about voting for him?

Nice broad, very classy. Not much of a looker though. Should have bought some of my wife's skin cream!

Posted by: Da Trumpster at March 04, 2016 11:11 AM (5y4sp)

542 Trump's hands sure do have right wing commenters fascinated, don't they? It's all about hands and hair and skin color with you guys. Much like all my cable channels at night all go to skin hair and nail care ads directed at female consumers.

Posted by: bour3 at March 04, 2016 11:12 AM (5x3+2)

543 *subsequent*

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 04, 2016 11:12 AM (FYBdm)

544 What the hell just happened?

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 04, 2016 11:12 AM (UnJ7w)

545 If Trump were a genuine RINO, explain the gope fear of him.eman

I tried to paste this about 40,000 times and also pasted it as my name.

Somebody pull me out of the barrel on Monday morning.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 04, 2016 11:13 AM (xuouz)

546 WE have 7 going on 8 years of precedent showing us that having an obstinate ideologue in the White House can affect more change than making great deals. I think we've have enough of Republicans making deals.

Posted by: taylork at March 04, 2016 11:13 AM (Mc50e)

547 >>Trump is comfortable taking a shit

In this respect he's different than Cruz and Rubio. Neither of them bothers to.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:13 AM (Bdeb0)

548 Nice work Ace!

All the cool kids like you again!

How does asshole taste?

Posted by: Manco at March 04, 2016 11:14 AM (Duizy)

549 What the hell just happened?

Dump thread shit the bed.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 11:14 AM (hpmES)

550 "Electing Cruz would be like starting a chess game in checkmate."

Exactly. It's unrealistic to elect principled constitutionalists because they just don't know how to wheel and deal. Here, take our moderate squish who will cut deals to give DC more power instead. Much better to get a lot of things done to grow government than get a few things done to shrink it! At least we DID SOMETHING, see?

Posted by: The establishment & consultant class, every election ever at March 04, 2016 11:15 AM (W4Sya)

551 "I still worry he cannot win in the general when the MSM takes out the long knives for him... "

Because Cruz can't handle reporters. I mean, it's not like he bitch slapped them on live national TV so effectively it shamed an entire media organization even the eyes of their fellow media organizations or anything.

Oh, wait.

Posted by: Apostate at March 04, 2016 11:15 AM (kFfAd)

552 >>It's really not cool to insult the blog owner on his blog

You were "that kid" in school, weren't you?

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:16 AM (Bdeb0)

553 Something just killed the other thread. Better call ServPro..

Posted by: kraken at March 04, 2016 11:16 AM (sdxPm)

554 Looks like the thread upstairs crapped out.

Posted by: Peppermint Patty's Cock Ring at March 04, 2016 11:16 AM (qUNWi)

555 Something just killed the other thread. Better call ServPro..

Yup, can't get the comments....

Posted by: donna at March 04, 2016 11:17 AM (/dSsq)

556 "Cruz speaking in Orono, ME.: 'In my view a brokered convention ain't gonna happen'"

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 04, 2016 11:17 AM (t5zYU)

557 The magic part comes where Cruz, elected, pushes a conservative agenda through a legislature that wants to gut him with a dull spoon for publicly dumping scorn on them. Yeah. Watching Cruz get a SCOTUS nominee and a socon agenda through that fuck-storm will be bloodsport.

Electing Cruz would be like starting a chess game in checkmate.
Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:03 AM (Bdeb0)
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Cruz is wicked smart.
Trump will move us further to the Left with all these deals with the Dems.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 11:18 AM (7GQM/)

558 Because Cruz can't handle reporters. I mean, it's not like he bitch slapped them on live national TV so effectively it shamed an entire media organization even the eyes of their fellow media organizations or anything.

Cruz is Canadian.

And that is all everyone will hear 24/7.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 11:18 AM (hpmES)

559 How does asshole taste?

Posted by: Manco at March 04, 2016 11:14 AM (Duizy)

You seem to be the expert.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 04, 2016 11:19 AM (Zu3d9)

560 Who here thinks Trump is a Conservative?

Posted by: eman at March 04, 2016 11:19 AM (Ahbpx)

561 Last night, via Zeke Miller:

Cruz on contested convention: "It is the dumbest idea" "The people will revolt"

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 04, 2016 11:20 AM (t5zYU)

562 Trump's hands obsession:

Does it occur to you that maybe Trump supporters WANT a representative with an obviously undersized penis based on the size of his stubby little fingers that you keep drawing attention to? They WANT a Napoleon complex thing going on, a compensating fierceness that they do not see in any other candidate? They might be thinking, go with the short-fingered little dick guy, he's meaner.

Posted by: bour3 at March 04, 2016 11:20 AM (5x3+2)

563 "Cruz speaking in Orono, ME.: 'In my view a brokered convention ain't gonna happen'"
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 04, 2016 11:17 AM (t5zYU)
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Cruz gave a fantastic speach.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 11:20 AM (7GQM/)

564 Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:16 AM (Bdeb0)

Which kid was that?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 11:21 AM (w4NZ8)

565 Looks like the Morning Dump has been officially removed.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 11:21 AM (hpmES)

566 Probably some dumb noob broke the top thread. I sent out the Bat Signal to pixy.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 04, 2016 11:21 AM (t5zYU)

567 560 Who here thinks Trump is a Conservative?
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2016 11:19 AM (Ahbpx)

No one. He's a fairly liberal Democrat.

Posted by: stace at March 04, 2016 11:21 AM (ozZau)

568 Thought it was me.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 11:22 AM (mw8Dm)

569 Who here thinks Cruz will secure the border and toss out the tresspassers?

Posted by: eman at March 04, 2016 11:22 AM (Ahbpx)

570 >>Exactly. It's unrealistic to elect principled constitutionalists because they just don't know how to wheel and deal.

My point was that the Senate isn't going to allow him any room to "wheel and deal." He may know how to negotiate, who knows, but he'd be dead in the water, great negotiator or no. They hate him, at a very personal, enduring level. He'd get nothing done, and his "principled constitutionalism" would be both admirable and worthless.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:22 AM (Bdeb0)

571 How many ranks of oarsmen does it take to row a ULCC?

http://goo.gl/DCa4NI

Did you have your Brexit this morning?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476124/

Next up, surveillance cameras in sewer grates

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476653/

Teach, uh, whatever not to rape:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476199/

The Moron Lifestyle

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476294/

Posted by: JEM at March 04, 2016 11:22 AM (o+SC1)

572 Newt.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 04, 2016 11:22 AM (Zu3d9)

573

Who here thinks Trump is a Conservative?

Well, he says he is. IIRC, he even used the word.
In a sentence, no less.

I have no earthly idea at this point, and I'm really not sure I care anymore.

Unfortunately, I don't think Cruz can win against Teh Hildabeast, so I'll vote for Donald Trump's Hair, whom I consider to be my own personal Herbert Mountain Dew Camacho in this election.

He's my big ol' middle finger to the DC Establishment and the left.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 04, 2016 11:23 AM (LUgeY)

574 560 Who here thinks Trump is a Conservative?
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2016 11:19 AM
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Sadly, what we're learning is that a lot of folks who for years here have claimed to be conservatives, Federalists, or against "business as usual" are actually the Right's version of Occupy Wall Street.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 04, 2016 11:23 AM (t5zYU)

575 >>Which kid was that?

The hall monitor kid.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:23 AM (Bdeb0)

576 Who here thinks Trump is a Conservative?
Posted by: eman at March 04, 2016 11:19 AM (Ahbpx)
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I don't think he even knows what a Conservative is.

I've said it before he is THE TROJAN DONKEY.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 11:24 AM (7GQM/)

577 Cruz can't win, despite months of polling showing that he, not Trump, can beat Hillary.

Pathetic.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 04, 2016 11:24 AM (t5zYU)

578 I don't know what Trump is.

I know what he is not: Hillary

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 11:24 AM (mw8Dm)

579 The clown car thing was amazingly funny.

Trump's walkback on immigration will hurt him. Once the primaries become closed (i.e. this week) watch Cruz tie or exceed him in delegates.

Posted by: Valiant at March 04, 2016 11:24 AM (2bqlb)

580 I'm a Trump supporter, Alabama. I'm not alright, but thanks anyway. But I

do think that, between a fast-talking Yankee with hitchhiker thumbs and

a large penis, and an early-model lesbian cylon married to a grinning

cadaver, I'll take the former.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 10:16 AM (Bdeb0)

Vote for the penis, get the old lesbian.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 10:18 AM (pUDQf)

Or we could just vote Cruz now and then.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:24 AM (OrI3J)

581 Continues making the strategic mistake of telling people what he actually believes and what he'd actually do, which our current culture reads as "insincerity" and "sanctimony."

That b@st@rd. Doesn't he know the people demand some Olympic quality flip flopping? It's the sign of a great deal maker.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 04, 2016 11:25 AM (y0rni)

582 >>Or we could just vote Cruz now and then.

Why would we do that? Just kidding, I know why.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:26 AM (Bdeb0)

583 You were "that kid" in school, weren't you?
Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:16 AM (Bdeb0)

If you don't like the blog host, it's best to just leave instead of personally insulting him and other commenters. Disagreement is fine and necessary. The other shit just makes discussion impossible.

Posted by: stace at March 04, 2016 11:26 AM (ozZau)

584 If you folks would perform the same level of due diligence on all of the candidates, as you have on Trump... you might turn into informed voters.

You've been pounding the same monkey since Ace opened this pub for business. How's that been workin' out for ya?

Posted by: The Hot Gates. at March 04, 2016 11:26 AM (KJZeR)

585
I don't know what Trump is.

I know what he is not: Hillary

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 11:24 AM (mw8Dm)

You do know what Trump is... you just don't want to admit it even to yourself.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:27 AM (OrI3J)

586 I'll never understand the logic of giving the middle finger to the establishment by voting for a liberal to become President and fuck you over by giving your job to a foreign worker. When you're out of work, the economy is tanked because of trade wars, and we're in a shooting war over what Trump said to a foreign leader, you can then yell, "Fuck YOU, GOPe!".

Oh, you got them good.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 11:27 AM (pUDQf)

587 Cruz can't win, despite months of polling showing that he, not Trump, can beat Hillary.

Pathetic.

The only polls I've seen in a heads up match against Hillary! show Trump winning. Haven't seen any that include Cruz v H.

Her negatives are higher than his, FWIW.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 04, 2016 11:27 AM (LUgeY)

588 574 Y-not.... I'm really not a Trump fan, but I do think he's a better choice than HRC. Most sentient creatures are - even Jim Webb said he would not vote for him.
I prefer Cruz, but Trump I would vote for if need be. And I'm not name calling over this matter.

Posted by: kraken at March 04, 2016 11:28 AM (sdxPm)

589 "My point was that the Senate isn't going to allow him any room to "wheel and deal."

1. Assuming this is true, it's still better than actively cutting deals to make DC more powerful.

2. It's not true because the president has immense unilateral authority to cut his own power, including that of most federal agencies, which create the vast majority of laws and attract the vast majority of lobbyists/lawyers.

Posted by: T at March 04, 2016 11:28 AM (W4Sya)

590 I don't think he even knows what a Conservative is.

===

As I wrote in the last thread what disappeared, he's not an ideologue, he doesn't think in those terms. We're the ones who do, we're the ideologues.

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at March 04, 2016 11:28 AM (3ZtZW)

591 "Cruz sounded like a bad cereal commercial. He sounds canned and insincere. He's either over prepped really underwhelming- and I like Cruz."

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why intelligent, politically minded people give one, single, wet shit about stupid trivial garbage like 'how a candidate sounds.'

We've had legions of people turn out to support candidates who sounded good before. You might remember one. Barack Obama. Ring any bells? President Teleprompter, who is so devoid of substance and wisdom that his administration has put the country into a downward spiral?

Cruz is almost the anti-Obama in that he's brimming with substance and tells people what he actually believes. Naturally, people find him intimidating and "unlikeable," so they prefer to go vote for someone else, who is more like Obama, the colossal, lying failure.

God damn.

You know that sick feeling in your stomach as the morons rushed to vote for Obama, the obviously deceitful empty suit, because he "gave good speeches?" That's how I feel now watching people shy from Cruz because they don't like his voice or speech patterns.

Posted by: Apostate at March 04, 2016 11:28 AM (kFfAd)

592 >> You do know what Trump is... you just don't want to admit
>> it even to yourself.

Trump leaves us with Hope and Change.

We have to Hope he's Changed, and isn't just selling something.

Posted by: JEM at March 04, 2016 11:28 AM (o+SC1)

593 You do know what Trump is... you just don't want to admit it even to yourself.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:27 AM (OrI3J)

NO. I will make up my own mind and think for myself. Thank you

And since I am supporting Cruz, my statement is as clear as day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 11:29 AM (mw8Dm)

594 >>If you don't like the blog host, it's best to just leave instead of personally insulting him and other commenters.

Thanks, stace. We're all advised now. Try decaf.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:30 AM (Bdeb0)

595 Anyway. Time to get some lunch.

Posted by: Bigby's Sweaty Palms at March 04, 2016 11:30 AM (3ZtZW)

596 Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:23 AM (Bdeb0)

Nope; We didn't have hall monitors. I was the kid who acted in the plays but other than that kept a fairly low profile. Evidently some people want to play "Rock-em sock em robots" with people who disagree with them, which is their prerogative; I just think it's uncool to say "Ace has no credibility" about anything (which is rather global statement, din' you think?) simply because he's not a Trump fan while continuing to post on his site or (another person) say "How does your a** taste?" With he latter person it's not surprise that they have a hard on for Trump.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 11:30 AM (w4NZ8)

597 542
Trump's hands sure do have right wing commenters fascinated, don't they?

Posted by: bour3 at March 04, 2016 11:12 AM (5x3+2)

No...they don't. On the other hand, Trumps mental illness, IS quite bothersome.

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 04, 2016 11:30 AM (aRUb8)

598 >> I do think he's a better choice than HRC.

So if it's Trump v Hillary are the Dems going to pull the 'Vote for the crook, it's important' thing back out of the files?

Posted by: JEM at March 04, 2016 11:30 AM (o+SC1)

599 If Trump were a genuine RINO, explain the gope fear of him.eman

I tried to paste this about 40,000 times and also pasted it as my name.

Somebody pull me out of the barrel on Monday morning.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 04, 2016 11:13 AM (xuouz)

Trump is not an icky RINO. He is something worse... a progressive Democrat.

And I have said here many times that, given their natural agreement on making deals that would hurt conservatives, the GOPe's objections to Trump have more that a whiff of the Tale of Br'er Rabbit about them.

Trump's flip on immigration is going to end him.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:31 AM (OrI3J)

600 Posted by: eman at March 04, 2016 11:22 AM (Ahbpx)

Trump has reversed himself on almost all of his immigration positions. Not sure why anyone should trust him on that issue or any other.

Posted by: stace at March 04, 2016 11:31 AM (ozZau)

601

Oh, you got them good.

FTR, I've been funemployed for 8 years now thanks to BJ Cliton and I'm barely able to care for my disabled fiance. The economy is already in the shitter and we appear to be involved in more than one "kinetic activity" in various parts of the world without the approval of Congress.

So, what's your point?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 04, 2016 11:31 AM (LUgeY)

602 Posted by: Apostate at March 04, 2016 11:28 AM (kFfAd)

THAT ^ x100.

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 04, 2016 11:32 AM (aRUb8)

603 Republican primary voters will pay a lot more attention to Romney's outburst yesterday than anything said in last night's debate.

Trump is leading in the polls and the delegate count because working Americans are taking it in the chops. Trump is speaking to them, not to the political cognoscenti, and certainly not to the National Review's editorial board.

Posted by: mrp at March 04, 2016 11:32 AM (JBggj)

604 Whole lotta comments went missing. I was in the middle of responding to someone, but it's all gone. The whole thing on Trump's kids...

Posted by: IrishEi at March 04, 2016 11:33 AM (E6RIJ)

605 >>I just think it's uncool to say "Ace has no credibility" about anything (which is rather global statement, din' you think?)

Since you asked, I'll tell you. Yep, it is a global statement, and no, I don't agree with it. Yep, I'm pretty sure Ace can handle himself. Yep, I think it was bait, and no, I doubt much that the guy who posted it really thought much about it or meant much by it.

In other words, it was pretty much a light comment, and if I felt the need to carry a hammer for the blog host, I'd have used it for a slightly larger nail.

Posted by: General Zod at March 04, 2016 11:33 AM (Bdeb0)

606 Posted by: Apostate at March 04, 2016 11:28 AM (kFfAd)

Well said.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 11:34 AM (w4NZ8)

607 Trump's flip on immigration is going to end him.
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Rinse and repeat.

Posted by: mrp at March 04, 2016 11:34 AM (JBggj)

608 You do know what Trump is... you just don't want to admit it even to yourself.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:27 AM (OrI3J)

NO. I will make up my own mind and think for myself. Thank you

And since I am supporting Cruz, my statement is as clear as day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 11:29 AM (mw8Dm)

Not trying to think for you, Nevergiveup. I am just pointing out that Trump is not hiding what and who he is at all.
I agree with you that Cruz is the guy but I don't see how Trump is a cipher.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:35 AM (OrI3J)

609 Trump's flip on immigration is going to end him.

Nope; Too many people didn't and aren't listening.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 04, 2016 11:35 AM (w4NZ8)

610 After the phallic turn in the GOP Debate I can only imagine that Anthony Weiner will be the surprise GOP VP candidate.

Posted by: Timo at March 04, 2016 11:35 AM (hy43O)

611 Sorry, the more I've seen and heard of Cruz during this campaign, the less I think of him. All hat and no cattle.

Posted by: mrp at March 04, 2016 10:06 AM (JBggj)

Just curious....can you provide some examples of these mind changing actions by Cruz?

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 04, 2016 11:36 AM (aRUb8)

612 Just curious....can you provide some examples of these mind changing actions by Cruz?
================

What has he changed? The Senate leadership? His hat size?

Posted by: mrp at March 04, 2016 11:40 AM (JBggj)

613 "According to Cruz, though, there are discussions going on behind-the-scenes about the candidates coming together."

What is this about???

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 11:40 AM (WnCSK)

614 The only polls I've seen in a heads up match against Hillary! show Trump winning. Haven't seen any that include Cruz v H.

Her negatives are higher than his, FWIW.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 04, 2016 11:27 AM (LUgeY)

BB... Real Clear Politics does running averages of all the polls coming out. Trump is currently losing to Hillary in a head to head match up in three of the four latest polls (by fairly wide margins).

Cruz on the other hand wins against Hillary in three of the four latest polls.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:41 AM (OrI3J)

615 Who here thinks Cruz will secure the border and toss out the tresspassers?

Posted by: eman at March 04, 2016 11:22 AM (Ahbpx)
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He said he's changing and softening his position on a lot of his positions.
The people that think that he is giving the middle finger to THE ESTABLISHMENT are blind and deaf. He's giving the middle finger to the CONSERVATIVES.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 11:41 AM (7GQM/)

616 As a professional presenter (I won't go into it more than that) let me comment on a verbal tic, or styling of my man Cruz. And he is my man.

I'm not endorsing the "style over substance" criticism, and I agree that it is Cruz' own level of conviction that sometimes comes across the "wrong" way to people used to fakery as the "correct" stylistic baseline.

What Cruz needs to fix is his habit of slowing at the end of a sentence and right at where a natural pause ought to be, immediately starting with another sentence, thought etc.

Its a style suitable for an appellate Courtroom in which you are afraid, in a pause, being interrupted by a question that will interfere with you getting your points out. The slowing preceding the natural pause is a way to sound like you are pacing naturally, but you really aren't (giving no space for interruption, reply or reaction).

The underlying problem with this is that its a defensive, insecure style. Fear of being interrupted, or questioned is not a good trait. Its like someone who always has to explain how to make a watch when you ask them what time it is.

Some matters of "style" are profound. Much like we are compelled by physical beauty because, in a snapshot, it can tell us a lot about a person's health, personality, genetics, intelligence, health, etc. you can't just discount "style" as not having some deep relationships to important things. Much like not trusting a man who doesn't drink, many have trouble trusting a guy who won't allow pauses in his speech (not the um... ah... duh... Obama style) but the natural, thoughtful pauses that invite the audience to think, and show a person secure in their own skin.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 04, 2016 11:42 AM (3Rr8K)

617 Not trying to think for you, Nevergiveup. I am just pointing out that Trump is not hiding what and who he is at all.
I agree with you that Cruz is the guy but I don't see how Trump is a cipher.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:35 AM (OrI3J)

if you would read what I wrote, you would see that my point was that I wold vote for Trump if he is the nominee over hillary.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 04, 2016 11:43 AM (mw8Dm)

618
"According to Cruz, though, there are discussions going on behind-the-scenes about the candidates coming together."

What is this about???

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 11:40 AM (WnCSK)
Where is that from Skeezix cause it sounds more like Rubio camp opposition propaganda than it does Cruz.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:47 AM (OrI3J)

619 However, don't forget: according to Ace, Trump and the GOP cronies (all "really smart people" as Trump would say), nobody likes Ted Cruz. Therefore, his grade should be reduced to an F.

Posted by: AntiLeftist at March 04, 2016 11:49 AM (gEPdP)

620 Who here thinks Cruz will secure the border and toss out the tresspassers?

Posted by: eman at March 04, 2016 11:22 AM (Ahbpx)

I do.

Cruz tends to not say thing unless he means them.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:50 AM (OrI3J)

621 Crap.... This has got to be the funniest post I've ever seen from Ace. That stuff about Trump is comedy gold.

Posted by: Loiselle at March 04, 2016 11:50 AM (t+Qw5)

622 @620
Honestly wouldn't we settle for securing the border and tossing out half the illegals, and also trying to pull the country back from a post Constitutional government by executive fiat?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 04, 2016 11:51 AM (3Rr8K)

623 Not to go super-fine print, but Trump didn't actually reverse himself. His plan does allow for H1b's, so what he said can be reconciled with what's on his site, especially in light of his post-debate "clarification."

That said, his "I'm softening, I'm changing" was horrible, and it's a great soundbite Cruz should be playing on constant loop.

Posted by: Schaeffer at March 04, 2016 11:53 AM (8t5CA)

624 I love this criticism of Cruz for not magically forcing 50 other senators to agree with him.

"Oh well, the big gov types don't agree with him, so we better elect another big gov apologist who can cut deals with them to make gov even bigger. We MUST DO SOMETHING--and if 'something' is growing DC power, hey, details."

Posted by: T at March 04, 2016 11:53 AM (W4Sya)

625 @620

Honestly wouldn't we settle for securing the border and tossing out
half the illegals, and also trying to pull the country back from a post
Constitutional government by executive fiat?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 04, 2016 11:51 AM (3Rr8K)

I would settle for a secure border, removal of financial incentives for illegal aliens to stay here (so they self deport), immediate deportation of criminals (even traffic law violators) and deportation of other illegals as they come to the government's attention.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:55 AM (OrI3J)

626 "Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 11:40 AM (WnCSK)
Where is that from Skeezix cause it sounds more like Rubio camp opposition propaganda than it does Cruz."

Cant find it now...but I believe it was said to have been referenced just now at Ted's Maine press conference. He also called the brokered convention idea crazy. So I don't know...doesn't sound like Rubio camp to me...but who knows this year.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 11:55 AM (WnCSK)

627 Perhaps it meant in future debates and not the campaign itself.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 11:56 AM (WnCSK)

628 Not to go super-fine print, but Trump didn't
actually reverse himself. His plan does allow for H1b's, so what he
said can be reconciled with what's on his site, especially in light of
his post-debate "clarification."

That said, his "I'm softening, I'm changing" was horrible, and it's a great soundbite Cruz should be playing on constant loop.

Posted by: Schaeffer at March 04, 2016 11:53 AM (8t5CA)

He did that but he also did not deny Cruz's characterization of his immigration statements in the off the record NY Times interview. Cruz said he told them he would not build a wall or deport people.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:57 AM (OrI3J)

629 "When it comes to credibility, Trump has the least of all the candidates, simply due to how often his positions have changed."

But only in that context. Look outside government and its a completely different picture."

...oh, ok. So he only lies his ass off with regard to politics. And his ENTIRE political career has consisted of running for president.

Swell. Why not just vote for Hillary if rampant deception and contempt for voters gets you off?

Posted by: Apostate at March 04, 2016 11:57 AM (kFfAd)

630 Ted Cruz was Texas Solicitor General under AG Greg Abbott, he's argued cases at SCOTUS. I think that's why he speaks the way he does.

Posted by: Carol at March 04, 2016 11:59 AM (sj3Ax)

631 "But you Trump-deniers go ahead and keep freaking out over these supposedly "scary" statements by Trump.

Yeesh."

Goodness. That sounds positively Establishment(tm) in its arrogant contempt for other people's legitimate concerns.

Posted by: Apostate at March 04, 2016 11:59 AM (kFfAd)

632 Cant find it now...but I believe it was said to have
been referenced just now at Ted's Maine press conference. He also
called the brokered convention idea crazy. So I don't know...doesn't
sound like Rubio camp to me...but who knows this year.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 11:55 AM (WnCSK)

Yah, no...that is definitely not Cruz. He is smart enough to know that they may get to the convention with no one having a clear majority of the delegates. He knows in that case it will go to multiple ballots.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 11:59 AM (OrI3J)

633 "...oh, ok. So he only lies his ass off with regard to politics."

Not what I meant...

"Swell. Why not just vote for Hillary if rampant deception and contempt for voters gets you off?"

How the FUCK do you have any clue who I am voting for ASSWIPE. You come on here and blast me without a clue. The only contempt I have right now is for ignorant pricks like you.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 04, 2016 12:02 PM (WnCSK)

634 I think we are on the same page.
My point redbanzai (really to the poster you were responding to) is that we really need to stop the bleeding and change direction on illegal immigration as much as anything. And yes, self deportation is key. It just got stuck with a stupid down-twinkle in a media smear on Romney, much as the word "binder" suddenly became a howling "gaffe."

Ultimately the fetish about "legal" hides the ball that if we "legally" flood the country at all levels with the Third World, we lose our culture and our country just as surely as with "illegal" mass immigration.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 04, 2016 12:02 PM (3Rr8K)

635 Nood

And why did the Morning Dump get flushed?

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 12:03 PM (OrI3J)

636 Cruz said some are talking about a Unity Ticket, but he's not. I saw it at The Right Scoop. I go there to watch highlights & lowlights.

Posted by: Carol at March 04, 2016 12:05 PM (sj3Ax)

637 Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Rodney King at March 04, 2016 12:07 PM (aRUb8)

638 I'm shocked! WSJ had a favorable editorial about Ted Cruz.

Ace,
One of your best!

Posted by: Carol at March 04, 2016 12:07 PM (sj3Ax)

639 "He did that but he also did not deny Cruz's characterization of his immigration statements in the off the record NY Times interview."

A non-denial of that sort does not really move the needle for anyone.

Posted by: Schaeffer at March 04, 2016 12:07 PM (8t5CA)

640 Ultimately the fetish about "legal" hides the ball
that if we "legally" flood the country at all levels with the Third
World, we lose our culture and our country just as surely as with
"illegal" mass immigration.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 04, 2016 12:02 PM (3Rr8K)

True... which is why Cruz and Sessions are sponsoring legislation to halt the H1B program and reform it. Other visa programs need the same attention but, at the same time there need to be reforms for American citizens who are currently better off not working than taking jobs. I am fine, for instance, with welfare recipients being matched up with employers who swear right now that Americans won't, for instance, pick grapes.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 12:10 PM (OrI3J)

641 A non-denial of that sort does not really move the needle for anyone.

Posted by: Schaeffer at March 04, 2016 12:07 PM (8t5CA)

Yes it does.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 12:10 PM (OrI3J)

642 I always knew, deep down, that Donald Trump's erect cock was majestic.

Sorta goes without saying really, if you think about it. How could Donald Trump's love tool not be magnificent?

Posted by: Trump Chump at March 04, 2016 12:11 PM (CbGSW)

643 And why did the Morning Dump get flushed?

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 12:03 PM (OrI3J)

I never flush my morning dump til after lunch.

Posted by: Salvador Dali at March 04, 2016 12:12 PM (aRUb8)

644 I've seen this desperate fiction a few times lately, all since Trump got dogpiled in the pre-Super Tuesday debate and his "inevitability" came into question. It implies that delegates who voted for Trump and Cruz on the first ballot (at this point a virtual certainty to be in the majority) would flip to Rubio or whoever at the second. Takes a lot of contortions to see that happening.

You obviously are deluded or just don't know whom the delegates are. They are NOT selected by the campaigns. Every single delegate is a Republican Party person who has worked to become delegates in each state. The campaign of each candidate has zero say in whom is a delegate. They are only bound to the First ballot. Even on rules and process they are free to vote as they wish. Trump and Cruz will get nothing if it goes to a convention.

Posted by: GOPe at March 04, 2016 12:13 PM (GHtJF)

645 642
I always knew, deep down, that Donald Trump's erect cock was majestic.

Sorta goes without saying really, if you think about it. How could Donald Trump's love tool not be magnificent?

Posted by: Trump Chump at March 04, 2016 12:11 PM (CbGSW)

I hear he has "TRUMP" written on it in gold glitter pen.

Posted by: Megan Kelly at March 04, 2016 12:14 PM (aRUb8)

646 Worrying about how Cruz sounds is like worrying about the guy you hired to paint your office not being a runway model.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 04, 2016 12:15 PM (+QPrx)

647 Ace, I literally spit my food out when you started in with the circus clown metaphor... Damn near choked to death laughing!

So, am I bad person if it makes me want to vote for Trump even more?! I need to know. My state votes in a couple weeks.

Posted by: ZonToro at March 04, 2016 12:17 PM (mYfjO)

648 Sounds like Trump won again, yay!

I never watch those things, I don't need an ulcer.

Kasich and Rubio will be in until they are dragged out in chains, kicking and screaming, amiright?

Posted by: Meremortal at March 04, 2016 12:18 PM (3myMJ)

649 I Love you Ace. Not in the Gay Gay way, but in a real man way, not that I have a problem with the Gay Gay way. Either way I really want the stuff you have been smoking. Why would you tease us with your sexual clown fantasies and not share? Pass it around you hog, share the Love, just not in the Gay Gay way if you know what I mean. Not that I have a problem with that.

Posted by: Tussle at March 04, 2016 12:21 PM (cK3yB)

650 Ace, no offense but have you been hanging out with Jeff Goldstein lately?

Posted by: pawn at March 04, 2016 12:21 PM (vMllE)

651 Woke up to read this.
Ace, you are absolutely waxing poetic these days...
Magnificent!

Posted by: Sue at March 04, 2016 12:23 PM (PVv5V)

652 Well, this election really couldn't be worse as a mirror to the American character. That said, just like the end of an empire can inspire great art, we can look back on the end of the Republic and say, "at least we had that one hilarious debate scorecard that Ace did".

So there's that.

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at March 04, 2016 12:30 PM (k7D+q)

653 " What is this "lose in the general shit"? I have
seen polls that say ANY of the Republican candidate will bee6t Scankles. People hate her. Vote for who you like and forget about this "we need a winner" shit. It has NEVER been accurate anyway."

Actually the only GOP candidate who loses to Hillary - according to the RCP polling aggregate (which predicted 2012) - is Trump. Rubio and Cruz are getting stronger against her. Trump is not.

Posted by: JEM at March 04, 2016 12:42 PM (ZoYwk)

654 FWIW - I asked my 75yr old man who he thought won the debate.

"Kasich"

lolol.

Posted by: bahabuddha at March 04, 2016 12:48 PM (eZuvD)

655 I'm guessing Ace didn't like Trump that much.

Posted by: Feh at March 04, 2016 12:50 PM (L3GKO)

656 The Trump commentary/grade was genius. Pure genius.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 04, 2016 12:53 PM (g1MTt)

657 "and the children are crying tears of fire out of their Unseeing Dead Eyes and holy shit a couple of the clowns look like they have boners"

this is where I lost it and lol'd

why isn't Ace up there on the stage, commenting on these guys in real time? I'd pay per view it

Posted by: Feh at March 04, 2016 12:55 PM (L3GKO)

658 I wish Trump would just maybe maybe act a bit more informed and drop some of his shtick and not seem as unfocused as he is. In any case, we can't magically control what someone else does or how they think. However, assuming Hillary skates on any criminal charges, and the scandals are buried, I still think Trump is the only R candidate who could beat her one on one (no third party) precisely because he doesn't seem to care about abortion, or gay marriage, or any other social hot button.

A serious question for Cruz fans and perhaps former fans who had through this through: What new states would Cruz win in a general election to get him to the needed electoral votes? With Trump I could see winning Mass and NY along with Florida and Ohio. I just don't see how Cruz could flip any purple states at all (again, assuming Hillary's legal issues are buried).

It might be OK to stand on principal and lose with dignity - but what would be the point. With Trump at least you get the bonus of burning to the ground not just the GOP but the Democrats as well.

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 04, 2016 01:10 PM (m40v5)

659 ACE ON FIYAH! That is some blast-from-the-past funny!

Posted by: Jesus H. "Tapdancing" Maldonado at March 04, 2016 01:10 PM (F5OyJ)

660 The nomination process if over. Trump won. Cruz will agree to be Trump's VP and bring his conservative followers over with him.

On to defeating Clinton.

Posted by: Trump Taj Mahal at March 04, 2016 01:11 PM (6WoS1)

661 You seem mad Ace.

You mad?

Posted by: Hawkins Aquinas (new name) at March 04, 2016 01:14 PM (TZYqp)

662 Ace:

Can you really call this a debate? It was an attempt at a public lynching. I'm surprised Trump acquiesced to this---six people against one. I defy anyone to have done what Trump just did---they don't have the balls. He stood alone. And he had to have a civil case re-litigated in public as Kelly discovered her inner prosecuting attorney. I notice she didn't try that tactic on anyone else. And that self-satisfied, smirking ass Chris Wallace is also a disgrace. It was like watching kids at a zoo throwing rocks at an animal.

And Trump is having to take the public relations brunt as the media assigns the responsibility for its own childish and intolerant behavior to Trump. If you've ever seen a casual interview with Trump and just a few newsmen and no audience, he's just great: thoughtful, reasoned, diplomatic.

Trump is not an expert; he's an executive. (Reagan was an executive, too.) He consults the experts and he provides the overall project guidance to push the thing through to completion. He also has the ability to see the big picture, which is why he's so successful. The big picture view is a very rare ability; 99% of humanity is incapable of seeing how details fit together. (They pay you big bucks in the business world for that talent.) No one else on that stage has that ability. He doesn't imagine he knows it all right now because he's going to get the details and work out a plan with military experts and economics experts and healthcare experts, etc. So he currently speaks in broad strokes.

As for his so-called 'malleability', his great talent is getting groups of people with divergent interests to cooperate. Tactically, he's going to come out with the hard-line stance first and finesse it so that most people get something of what they want. A deal is only ever signed when all parties are reasonably content. In other words, he has anything but a totalitarian mindset. He's not like Obama; it isn't his way or the highway. He's not like Hitler or ever likely to be.

I believe him when he says he wants to do, something for the country. I think he's out of his mind, but I believe him.

I like Cruz and would gladly vote for him if he's the candidate, but I like Trump more---I've worked with guys like this all my life---and I think it's a tragedy that the media is so illiterate as far as business practices and the history of our political beliefs that they start freaking out when a guy whose political beliefs were respectable in a much finer era than out own is castigated as an extremist and outlier.

Trump is a substantial person, and a talented candidate,, and he doesn't deserve this shit. He could have just said 'fuck it', and gone off to live a happy life without allowing himself to be flogged by Lilliputians like Chris Wallace in public. Why would an honorable citizen ever be encouraged to step forward and try to help us solve our problems if this is the reception that he gets?

You wanted a man of action---you got a man of action.

Trump 2016

Posted by: ahem at March 04, 2016 01:21 PM (lKGzI)

663 Actually, it does. It cements my decision to go hog
hunting on voting day. If I wanted to vote for an amnesty shill, I could
vote for Rubio or Cruz.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2016 09:14 AM (utT6Q)
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You got that half right I guess... Cruz has never been for amnesty.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 09:23 AM (NPofj)
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It's looking more like TRUMP is the amnesty shill.
Pay attention to his words. He's evolving.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 01:23 PM (7GQM/)

664 So, Ace, all the usual outrage about GOPe deck stacking, thumbs on the scales, hit jobs, etc go flying out the window when it's a six-on-one dogpile on the Big Meanie. Because principles, amirite?

Shill.

Posted by: Grayscale Plaid at March 04, 2016 01:31 PM (Pv83c)

665 Cruz on contested convention: "It is the dumbest idea" "The people will revolt"

Washington DC: The people are already revolting. Ha! Ha!

Posted by: Global Warming made me late for work at March 04, 2016 01:32 PM (DkXQB)

666 "A deal is only ever signed when all parties are reasonably content."

Indeed. And the last 25+ years have been precisely that. DC establishment has been reasonably content ballooning DC power, whether they personally prefer the red Skittles or the blue ones. Because there's something that brings them together in the end: ballooning DC power. There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that the establishment in both sides would be reasonably content under a Trump administration. Because he's already juiced about cutting deals to balloon DC power.

And that is precisely why I utterly refuse to vote for RINOs, and why I never - ever - will vote for Democrats like him.

Posted by: T at March 04, 2016 01:33 PM (W4Sya)

667 I wish Trump would just maybe maybe act a bit more
informed and drop some of his shtick and not seem as unfocused as he is.
In any case, we can't magically control what someone else does or how
they think. However, assuming Hillary skates on any criminal charges,
and the scandals are buried, I still think Trump is the only R candidate
who could beat her one on one (no third party) precisely because he
doesn't seem to care about abortion, or gay marriage, or any other
social hot button.

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 04, 2016 01:10 PM (m40v5)

Trump is not informed therefore all he has is schtick and Trump is the only one who according to RCP averages does not beat Hillary.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 01:34 PM (OrI3J)

668 Yuuge junk. Short fingers. Little mouth. White raccoon eyes. Enigmatic hair. Middle school comportment.

How can we lose with a chief executive like that?

Or we can have Shrieking Granny Bisexual Rodham.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 04, 2016 01:35 PM (OZmbA)

669 It's looking more like TRUMP is the amnesty shill.

Pay attention to his words. He's evolving.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 01:23 PM (7GQM/)

redridinghood... Rick now knows that. That is why he is planning on going hunting instead of voting.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 01:36 PM (OrI3J)

670 Posted by: ahem at March 04, 2016 01:21 PM (lKGzI)

Trump is a con-man.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 04, 2016 01:38 PM (OrI3J)

671 Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 04, 2016 01:10 PM (m40v5)

No, please no.
I've got Jeffrey Epstein attacks all lined up for Bill Hillary.

Running Trump; who spent YEARS praising the underage sex slave owner who "Loved women as much as I do, especially younger ones" and had an "enjoyable social life" means that instead of getting to attack on praising underage sex slave owners; we'd have to defend that.

If you expect me to defend praising a guy who owned underage sex slaves for loving women and having an enjoyable social life; you need to give me some direction.

How do I turn underage sex slavery into a positive to my friends?
Or do you think the interviews Trump did praising Jeffrey Epstein won't come out in the primary at all; because nobody thinks enslaving young girls for sex is a bad thing?

Can you show me the polls in support of underage sex slavery?

Posted by: gekkobear at March 04, 2016 01:38 PM (aS5WI)

672 Ace, I love you and all morons...but no way, no how, did Marlo get an A-.

How would the others do if attacked from all sides? Would they be defensive? Would any of you be defensive?

The disappointment I had last night (and did not sleep well) is the sell out of the GOPe. The damn elite and establishment, labels I denied for eight years. Slow learner in denial, I guess.

But what makes me LIVID is the sell out of people I liked: Bret Baier, Jonah Goldberg, Steve Hayes. I even thought Megyn Kelly was great at one time. So now I am thinking of watching Lou Dobbs on FOX Business. I am disgusted. That was no debate. Targeted "gotcha" questions all around, with the Cuban book-ends doing their reruns. Kasich? He was never attacked. Hell, I would look good on that stage. However, note, no one tread into the Hilz waters, the emails, the loss of national security. No one but Trump, I guess, who said she should not be able to run.

What a waste of time that was. Not because of the attacks on Trump...but because key issues, some the American people may not know in their bubble, were not covered.

I am stealing this from The UK Guardian site, a well written column by Jeb Lund, their version of our great Mark Steyn, anyway the comment (paraphrased) is this:

"Why is Rubio spending so much time thinking about Trump's penis?" Good question.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 04, 2016 01:39 PM (wAMRL)

673 Oh, having issues posting links.

Google Trump Epstein

Vice.com is the source.
Then they have links to the various interviews over the year, with pull quotes of Trump. But they provide original sourcing to the claim

And yes, Turmp praised Jeffrey Epstein to the skies; as his good close friend for over 15 years, who loved women as much as Trump, and enjoyed his social life.

He seems to have avoided directly saying "who owns underage sex slaves" but his wording makes it very clear he knew the facts; and supported it.

But hey, maybe we can make the GOP the party of supporting underage sex slave owners in 2016.
Why not? It's Trump, and Trump can do no wrong; even if he's for enslaving underage girls for sex... right?

We've got to attack the evil GOPe who think enslaving underage girls for sex is wrong. Stupid GOPe.

Or do we have a better defense of this? Anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: gekkobear at March 04, 2016 01:42 PM (aS5WI)

674 Bill Clinton actually visited Epstein's Pedo-Island.

Therefore it will likely not come up as a subject in the general.

Probably not the answer you wanted, but there you go.

Posted by: bahabuddha at March 04, 2016 01:50 PM (eZuvD)

675 Washington DC: The people are already revolting. Ha! Ha!

You said it! They stink on ice!

Posted by: King Louis XVI at March 04, 2016 01:52 PM (zrsn3)

676 Trump 2016

Posted by: ahem at March 04, 2016 01:21 PM (lKGzI)

Doesn't his obvious and serious mental illness bother you at all?

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 04, 2016 01:55 PM (aRUb8)

677 The only reason I don't think Hillary is paying Trump to do this whole running-for-president thing so she'll win is that, if she were, the emails about it would have leaked out by now.

Posted by: CrustyB at March 04, 2016 01:56 PM (GvSpB)

678 Dap Girl behind Kelly gets an 'A'..... for Asshole.

Posted by: The Dap Is Dead at March 04, 2016 01:57 PM (nbGZj)

679 Or we can have Shrieking Granny Bisexual Rodham.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 04, 2016 01:35 PM (OZmbA)

False Dichotomy Fallacy.

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 04, 2016 01:58 PM (aRUb8)

680 "Why is Rubio spending so much time thinking about Trump's penis?" Good question.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 04, 2016 01:39 PM (wAMRL)

"Why is Trump spending so much time thinking about how great he is?"Good question.

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 04, 2016 02:01 PM (aRUb8)

681 662 Enjoyed your post.

Having worked directly for one billionaire and several other very wealthy people. Trump is similar to them and they were GOOD people...not always nice or easy to follow but almost with out exception.very very good leaders who , in the end, delivered for Both the company and the people who worked for it.

Cruz voter here but very Trump tolerant.... the special snowflakes that are put off by Trump's act worked in government I guess--where no one ever fails and no one is ever fired and where leadership is an oxymoron.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at March 04, 2016 02:02 PM (3ZttN)

682 I still didn't get an answer regarding what new states Cruz would win. Anyone wish to chime in? I am not a Trump supporter btw - just trying to be realistic.

As an anecdote, my Mom (a Cuban btw) has voted Republican all her life except in 2008, when she voted Obama (and caused a minor rift with me). She is itching to vote Republican this year and CAN'T STAND Cruz because of his style (not substance). Yet she votes. She is scared of Trump - not sure what to make of him - and thinks Rubio is a child.

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 04, 2016 02:04 PM (m40v5)

683 This analysis is better.

http://tinyurl.com/zv5h8yt

And it provides a more comprehensive analysis of the GOPe's new "Crap on them all" strategy.

But whatevs. Cruz the establishmentarian attorney whose voice has the power to shut minds off by the third syllable is going to win it all against the massive MSM onslaught in November.

Keep telling yourself that.

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 04, 2016 02:07 PM (uX7G2)

684
Having worked directly for one billionaire and
several other very wealthy people. Trump is similar to them and they
were GOOD people...not always nice or easy to follow but almost with
out exception.very very good leaders who , in the end, delivered for
Both the company and the people who worked for it.

Cruz voter here but very Trump tolerant.... the special snowflakes
that are put off by Trump's act worked in government I guess--where no
one ever fails and no one is ever fired and where leadership is an
oxymoron.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at March 04, 2016 02:0

How do those other people you knew have anything whatsoever to do with Trump?
Doesn't his mental illness bother you?

Posted by: Reality...some don't like it at March 04, 2016 02:14 PM (aRUb8)

685 Keep telling yourself that.

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 04, 2016 02:07 PM (uX7G2)

Donald Trump is an intelligent conservative.....keep telling yourself that.

Posted by: Mr. Obvious at March 04, 2016 02:16 PM (aRUb8)

686 Trump may be turning a lot of people on, but he is turning more people off... accept for the Dems.
They must be ecstatic They can make deals and work with The Donald. Oh, and he has contributed a lot of $$$$ to them. Let's just give the middle finger to The Establishment.
Trump isn't even The Establishment he is The Democrat lite.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 04, 2016 02:22 PM (7GQM/)

687 Let me present another, more positive perspective on Cruz's performance (I haven't read the comments, too many now).

I'm a Rubio supporter. I am temperamentally "establishment"-friendly, and although I was very very early supporting Ted Cruz's Senate campaign (long before that idiot Sarah Palin glommed on to him), I've since cooled as he's pivoted to using more tea-party-friendly rhetoric. I like sedate, brainy Ted Cruz.

I follow a lot of establishment types *and* tea party types, and everything in between.
Last night, I didn't see a lot of excitement from the #CruzCrew. I saw a TON of complimentary talk about Cruz's performance from establishment and media types. And I liked him a lot last night too, more than I have in quite some time. There was a difference, I couldn't tell you what he did, but he was Presidential. Sober, although that's not the right word. He wasn't appealing to emotion. He was calm and logical with arguments that were more bulletproof than usual. I usually find myself finding weak spots in his rhetoric - not just him, I do this with literally everyone who speaks English - but that's because he is appealing to a different crowd with different motivations and different "triggers," for lack of a better word. I don't like lazy arguments. He didn't make them last night, and he explained WHY Drumpf's support of liberals is against everything we all believe.

I think he's trying to make the establishment more comfortable with him. They are already of course because Trump is absolutely unacceptable (nevermind the conspiracy theories saying the establishment is helping Trump because he's a deal-maker, the establishment doesn't want to surrender the Presidency to Hillary! it really is about not losing to her!). Cruz is perfectly acceptable compared to Trump, but it doesn't hurt to reassure them.

It reassured me, and it seemed, based on my twitter newsfeed, to be reassuring others. This is good. He needs to make the establishment as open to President Cruz as they are to President Kasich or President Jeb.

(Not even gonna mention Rubio here because I know everyone here hates him and nobody will change their minds about their votes for or against based on a comment, but I'd kill for that Dos Hermanos Cubanos ticket.)

Posted by: Beth at March 04, 2016 03:38 PM (Epq7Y)

688 I'm glad I finally know who John Kasich's core supporters are.

Posted by: DemosthenesGame at March 04, 2016 03:40 PM (thXAK)

689 @681 -
Working in government (I used to, as did everyone who served in uniform) does not make you a special snowflake who doesn't understand getting fired. If anything, it makes a lot of us MORE anti-government _because_ the fuckups can't be fired.

Your argument is riddled with fallacies from start to finish. You worked for a billionaire, therefore Trump is good. Is George Soros? Tom Steyer? Mark Zuckerberg? By your logic, you should vote for them, too. And btw, Hillary is pretty filthy rich, too.

Furthermore, people get repulsed by Trump's ugly mouth because he is rude, crude, and acts like he was raised by wild animals and has not matured one bit in decades of public life. Same exact language about everything. I have paid attention.

If you think Donald J. Drumpf cares about the "lower class" any more than for what you can do to glorify him, I've got a bridge to sell you. Or I would, if Trump hadn't had it cleared out with government help aka eminent domain for his casino property. You're a tool, like cash. He will use you for what he needs. HE EVEN TOLD YOU THIS LAST NIGHT when he said he's "changing" his immigration policy! He got you roped in, and knows you won't leave - just as you wouldn't if he shot someone on 5th Avenue. He does not care about you or the things you expect from your government AT ALL.

Congrats, "Lower class person," you got today's wall of text for clueless Trumpkin. I am finished for the day, I only have so much patience and not being an angry person, I don't want to waste any more of my time on ridiculous Trumpkin arguments.

Posted by: Beth at March 04, 2016 03:53 PM (Epq7Y)

690 "He then added some substance to his foreign policy platform by declaring that he would force American soldiers to break the law and murder children."

To be fair, the DoD has reported Obama's drone strikes have resulted in the death of 41 terrorist and about 2500 other people who were near them at the time. They admit the among the 2500 were women and children.

Posted by: Marvin Mungpie at March 04, 2016 03:53 PM (U936r)

691 688 - Kasich waterboards America every debate with his goddamned wet blanket persona.

Posted by: Beth at March 04, 2016 03:58 PM (Epq7Y)

692 Do you think this will make the Hot Air "Quote of the Day?"

"His answers to questions about Trump University and the budget were somewhat uncomfortable to watch, in much the same way that it is uncomfortable to watch a bus full of circus clowns crash into a school for blind children and even worse the clowns were doing their "Gasoline Comedy" act that day and now all the blind children are on fire and the clowns are trying to squirt water on them with their stupid lapel-flowers but the flowers are just squirting out more gas and the children are crying tears of fire out of their Unseeing Dead Eyes and holy shit a couple of the clowns look like they have boners and they're chasing around the fiery blind children trying to rub up on them with these bobbling clown-boners with big red bulbs on their tips."

I'm in tears reading that...

Posted by: Coach Marty at March 04, 2016 04:01 PM (+yjnX)

693 Trumps penis, the interest is yuuuuuuuuge.

Posted by: Mossomo at March 04, 2016 04:22 PM (nuQZp)

694 76

What stuck out of the debate for me (aside from Trump's TMI about his

wang) was Trump's assertion that young Americans don't want to work

summer jobs at luxury beach resorts. Are You F--kin' Kidding Me?

Posted by: V the K at March 04, 2016 08:14 AM (O7MnT)

Except for it isnt summer jobs. He said last night its Nov through March.

Posted by: random at March 04, 2016 04:37 PM (DGIjM)

695 Too bad no one will read it at hotair nowadays

Posted by: jazzuscounty at March 04, 2016 05:43 PM (FKByy)

696 Posted by: Beth at March 04, 2016 03:38 PM (Epq7Y)

Good post++

Posted by: Mr. Sensible at March 04, 2016 05:58 PM (aRUb8)

697 I know you're not on twitter anymore, but I need the heart button so I can click my love for this post.

Posted by: decollatte at March 05, 2016 04:47 PM (+o1Kt)

698 Heard it read by Ben Domenech on his podcast and had to read it in person because he was laughing too hard for me to catch it all.

Posted by: decollatte at March 05, 2016 04:49 PM (+o1Kt)

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