Against The Establishment

It's a pretty sad day when Joy Reid of MSNBC makes more sense to me than National Review.

Check out her diagnosis (which mostly comes from moderate Republican turned liberalish independent Bruce Bartlett) at 6:45.

It's accurate -- the establishment/elite has been selling lies to everyone outside the donor class for years. They use their power to enact their own priorities into law, while telling the rest of us "it's too hard" or "it will scare the moderates."

And for years we went along with this.

Well, as she notes, the issue of immigration has caused this bargain -- the elites get their actual agenda, everyone else gets lies and empty promises -- to break down, probably forever.

You know, for years, I felt it was my duty to sell these shit sandwiches to readers for the Greater Good of winning elections.

I didn't like doing it, but I thought that, for example, the War on Terror was too important to risk a rupture over other questions.

Although I've come to hate politics and I just despise reading the news now, the one good thing is that I'm liberated from splashing some ketchup on Sandwiches Made of Actual Shit and trying to sell them to people as tasty and healthful.

I feel liberated. I serve no "Greater Good," as I don't know that there's a Greater Good to be served anymore. So I can just say exactly what I think.

And what I think is that the establishment has to be destroyed.

We will not be ignored, we will not be condescended to, we will no longer accept broken promises and lies as our payment for our service to the GOP.

And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily.

You will either come to terms, or you will be destroyed.

Posted by: Ace at 10:29 AM

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1 I wish I had a subscription so I could cancel it.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 22, 2016 10:30 AM (0LHZx)

2 You see I was a closet lib all these years. Hahahahahahahahahaha! Suckas!

Posted by: Zombie Bill Buckley at January 22, 2016 10:31 AM (/TQ6p)

3 first?

Posted by: Weasel at January 22, 2016 10:32 AM (6xtq3)

4 Damnit!

Posted by: Weasel at January 22, 2016 10:32 AM (6xtq3)

5 How can you people care about such piddly things like who is going to be the next president when IT'S GOING TO SNOW!!!!!!!

We missed the heavy stuff. Only getting 20-30" here...

Sorry for going OT so early.

Posted by: Timon at January 22, 2016 10:33 AM (KSonr)

6 yes ... we have been deceived or ignored ... hopefully that gig is up. I think Cruz or Trump can take us back from the brink, but actually see Trump more capable. But markets and debt will call for extraordinary effort, and any serious effort will probably pop some bubbles. So the "fixer" will take the heat. That's one reason we've had no fixers.

Posted by: Illiniwek at January 22, 2016 10:34 AM (5Gpe2)

7 What are you saying, Ace? Are you now a Trump supporter over Cruz?

Posted by: pep at January 22, 2016 10:34 AM (YXmuI)

8 Trump/Cruz support is all about destruction of the GOPe.

Posted by: maddogg at January 22, 2016 10:35 AM (rgIC0)

9 OMG!! Snowmageddon!!! It was nice for you to post Ace before... well... you know. Nice blog . Great fun while it lasted.

Posted by: Yip & 2 Corinthians at January 22, 2016 10:36 AM (e7T6D)

10 And what I think is that the establishment has to be destroyed.

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Word!

But that's easier said than done. Even if Trump were to become president, the establishment isn't going anywhere. All the K street lobby firms won't close shop, all the pork projects won't end, all the bribes/payoffs will continue as usual.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 22, 2016 10:36 AM (0LHZx)

11 Sounds like we are seeing the beginning of the end of Ace of Spades HQ.

Posted by: Waingro at January 22, 2016 10:37 AM (guxWS)

12 I was just told by Kevin Williamson to " get your emotions in check and grow the hell up," because I made this point to him.

And I'm not even a Trump supporter.

"L'establishment c'est moi."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 22, 2016 10:37 AM (Zu3d9)

13 Now that is a pleasant surprise. Ace finally on board the Trump Express.

Posted by: Fyscyl Clyff at January 22, 2016 10:37 AM (r4pNb)

14 NR reeks of condescension towards those flyover state trogolodytes almost as bad as a lot of left wing publications.

They should stick with circlejerking over Romney.

Posted by: brak at January 22, 2016 10:38 AM (xwPSp)

15 >>> What are you saying, Ace? Are you now a Trump supporter over Cruz?

no i still support cruz over Trump (by a lean), but the establishment is against both.

And don't be fooled, this NR edition exists primarily to advance Rubio's cause.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2016 10:38 AM (dciA+)

16 >>electing a Democrat

Depends on if you're talking about electing trump or, say, Hillary.

I'm not voting for Hillary.

Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2016 10:38 AM (vmMMi)

17 12 Yeah,fuck that guy in particular.

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 10:39 AM (8HTq1)

18 So voting for Trump fixes this? Shit.. I am trusting him less and less every day and I was totally on board at first. He keeps saying he knows how to make deals. Isn't this what got us here? Making deals with the democrats? It's always the repubs that get fucked in these so called "deals". Reaching across the aisle has only gotten our faces slapped. I just don't trust anyone anymore and I don't even know if I will vote. I'm just very depressed over it all.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 22, 2016 10:39 AM (l/N7H)

19 I feel liberated. I serve no "Greater Good," as I don't know that there's a Greater Good to be served anymore. So I can just say exactly what I think.

And what I think is that the establishment has to be destroyed.

We will not be ignored, we will not be condescended to, we will no longer accept broken promises and lies as our payment for our service to the GOP.

And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily.

You will either come to terms, or you will be destroyed.

BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO

exactly

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:39 AM (zOTsN)

20 The Beck / NRO wing of the GOP are melting down all over Twitter and it's glorious. They thought we'd see them as saviors.

Posted by: Steven at January 22, 2016 10:39 AM (c8hIP)

21
Charles C. W. Cooke*

Are you under the impression that NR exists to parrot the transient folly of pluralities?

*Fop

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2016 10:39 AM (kdS6q)

22 Full Bullworth!

Posted by: Oldbuffalo at January 22, 2016 10:39 AM (/pOl7)

23 **And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson

This is half-right. The establishment has demonstrated over several electoral cycles that it's okay with Democratic wins, so no lesson taught there; destroying the GOP itself is necessary. Like any tinpot dictatorship, "regime stability" is its core function, and that regime has been shown to be compromised.

Posted by: General Zod at January 22, 2016 10:40 AM (Bdeb0)

24 And what I think is that the establishment has to be destroyed.

From Ace's keyboard to God's ear. And more of it!!!

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at January 22, 2016 10:40 AM (jxbfJ)

25 NRO has to hate Trump if they want to stay in business - the GOPe is where they get all their donations. Follow the money.

Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at January 22, 2016 10:40 AM (rZJS9)

26

It killed me to see Thomas Sowell in there.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 10:40 AM (qCMvj)

27 Also, if you hate politics now, post about something else.

I always hate politics during election season.

Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2016 10:40 AM (vmMMi)

28 NR reeks of condescension towards those flyover state trogolodytes almost as bad as a lot of left wing publications.

I think I've said it once today, but they were over when they purged Mark Steyn for the crime of quoting Bob Hope.

Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at January 22, 2016 10:40 AM (zUlgQ)

29 THIS is why they didnt endorse Cruz last night, who has the best chance of beating Trump

fuck those guys in particular

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:41 AM (zOTsN)

30 Also, "let it burn" is passive and insufficient. "Burn it down" is the more effective remedy.

Posted by: General Zod at January 22, 2016 10:41 AM (Bdeb0)

31 Summed it up perfectly, Ace.

Fcuk 'em.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 22, 2016 10:41 AM (LA7Cm)

32 Spot on Ace.

I posted in the last thread.... but bears repeating:

"The Trump supporters are betting on a guy that said liberal things is the past with the hope he does conservative things now..... as opposed to betting on the GOPe guys that said conservative things in the past but end up doing liberal things now."

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 10:41 AM (8XRCm)

33 "We will not be ignored, we will not be condescended to, .."
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Uh, oh. Time to lock up the the bunny.

Posted by: GOPe at January 22, 2016 10:41 AM (oFSUK)

34 The whole point is that they have DONE NOTHING for us yet they expect our continued support.We just don't understand how things get done us yokels.Ace is in the "entertainment wing",he doesn't understand that shit sandwiches are the way you do business.

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 10:41 AM (8HTq1)

35 Look at Trump's kids. Anyone who's ever tried to raise children understands how difficult it is to raise such solid, excellent achievers - especially for a mega-rich parent.

When I started looking into Trump's children - that's when I started realizing this is a man of substance despite the TV personality stuff.

Posted by: Fyscyl Clyff at January 22, 2016 10:41 AM (r4pNb)

36 18 - He keeps saying he knows how to make deals. Isn't this what got us here? Making deals with the democrats? It's always the repubs that get fucked in these so called "deals".
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I think his point is we got screwed on the deals because the people making the deals on our side were incompetent. He knows how to make deals so we aren't the ones getting screwed any more.

It's not hard to follow.

Posted by: Steven at January 22, 2016 10:42 AM (c8hIP)

37 Ace up before 10:30 am? Where am I? What the hell is going here?

Posted by: dantesed at January 22, 2016 10:42 AM (88xKn)

38 I feel liberated. I serve no "Greater Good," as I don't know that there's a Greater Good to be served anymore. So I can just say exactly what I think.

Welcome to the party.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 10:42 AM (qCMvj)

39 Mad as hell and not taking it anymore.

Posted by: Mr Beale at January 22, 2016 10:42 AM (8aOqE)

40 I think I've said it once today, but they were over when they purged Mark Steyn for the crime of quoting Bob Hope.
Posted by: HR
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(ahem)

Posted by: John Derbyshire at January 22, 2016 10:42 AM (oFSUK)

41 And don't be fooled, this NR edition exists primarily to advance Rubio's cause.

Hmmmmm. I guess I don't see that. I think they will endorse Cruz, if they endorse anyone. Rubio is spilled milk. It's too late for him, as it is for Jeb.

Posted by: pep at January 22, 2016 10:42 AM (YXmuI)

42 Yeah the Republican "War on Terror" was a shitshow. What an incompetent bunch of idiots trying to fight that mess. Years of "training" Iraqis when it was obvious the majority of them weren't interested in fighting for a pro-American Iraqi regime. Should have just went in there and kicked ass and then constructed an army from reconstructed Sadaam loyalists.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 22, 2016 10:42 AM (4ErVI)

43 We KNOW the GOPe is useless. They have given Obama everything he's wanted over the past 7.5 years.

Might Trump do the same? Maybe. Maybe not. But at least with Trump there's a chance he might stand up to Dems and actually fight them.

There is a 0% chance Jeb/Kasich do anything good. There is a greater than 0% chance Trump does something good.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 22, 2016 10:42 AM (0LHZx)

44 I am tired of being lectured to by people who are embarassed by me

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:43 AM (zOTsN)

45 Zod @ 23 is correct...but it cannot stop there. If a Dem gets the WH, then the pressure needs to stay on every branch of government, and at every level. City, State and Federal.

Assuming we survive a Dem win.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 22, 2016 10:43 AM (r65B3)

46 Personally, I have to wonder how much of Trump's popularity is more of the people backlashing against the establishment than an actual hope that he can turn things around.

Seems to me the more the GOPe kicks and screams and tries to shove Jeb or Marco down our throat, the more popular Trump gets. For an "elite" class, they are pretty stupid to not see the anger and frustration of the populace. That is, if they care. And if they don't, the next sight they may see will be torches and pitch forks looking to adorn the new pikes on the fences around the WH.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at January 22, 2016 10:43 AM (jxbfJ)

47 "Uh, oh. Time to lock up the the bunny."

Throw the main breaker.
Shut off gas to the house.

Beat the pot into a plowshare.

Walked out half way through that movie, cause my date was full blown shithouse rat crazy.
Obsessive crazy.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 22, 2016 10:43 AM (ptqRm)

48 It's pure lunacy that the National Review is being derided as part of the GOP establishment...because they oppose Donald Trump. And the accusation is coming from someone who admits to promoting things he thought was wrong in order to support some greater good. How could things be more backward? Conservatives have all become rightly enraged that the Republican party has been abusing us all this time...but now many have gone into this zombie rage and just started attacking anything and eating each other just because we're there. Donald Trump is not conservative. You can delight in him attacking the establishment, but that doesn't mean you should want him to be President, or start thinking he's conservative and ignore literally every piece of evidence out there that he's just a self-serving dimwit with views much more consistent with liberal Democrats than anything else.

Posted by: Matt at January 22, 2016 10:43 AM (XNeYD)

49 I cancelled my NRO subscription when the courageous "The Editors" had page in Red, with all the reasons why Newt couldn't be GOP nominee.

They wrote Huntsman, among others would be better choice.
Newt was currently the favorite of the month of all the ABR*.

ABR for those that don't remember was "Anyone But Romney."

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 10:43 AM (sj3Ax)

50 "And don't be fooled, this NR edition exists primarily to advance Rubio's cause."

I figured they would rather have prince jebward, even if most people think he is toast by now.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at January 22, 2016 10:44 AM (WVsWD)

51 If you're actually a conservative, Ace, which who knows what you are since you can't even tell us your name, you wouldn't write crap like this. You'd support Cruz. He's anti-establishment and actually conservative. Trump is a con-artist populist obsessed with polls who will say whatever keeps him in the lead. You really think the tough talk on immigration will last, if he somehow pulls it out in the general after walking back every last right-wing sounding thing he said during the primaries? Keep dreaming. You do need to grow up and stop having so many temper tantrums.

Posted by: gts109 at January 22, 2016 10:44 AM (KIvt1)

52 Ace up before 10:30 am? Where am I? What the hell is going here?

Posted by: dantesed at January 22, 2016 10:42 AM (88xKn)

He's still up from getting his hobo meat stockpile replenished last night ahead of Snowmaggedon2016 hitting. Had to hit the underpasses and steam grates before the panicky crowds cleaned 'em out.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 22, 2016 10:44 AM (GUBah)

53 <silent tears>

Posted by: Marco Rubio's Garbage at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (FwRqg)

54 "1 I wish I had a subscription so I could cancel it.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 22, 2016 10:30 AM (0LHZx)"

Damn... I had one and I cancelled it for some other ridiculous nonsense a few years ago, I can't even remember. Would have been worth holding out for this.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (n/ogz)

55 "if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily"

well, I ain't going to pull the lever for a Democrat, no way in hell, just to teach the GOPes a lesson

because they have killer instinct and the GOPe doesn't

electing a Democrat in 16 will be Game Over

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (9iYoJ)

56 So.....F#$% you, WAR!?

Breitbart was right, and so are you, Ace.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (NOIQH)

57 He keeps saying he knows how to make deals. Isn't this what got us here? Making deals with the democrats? It's always the repubs that get fucked in these so called "deals".

You are confusing SOP GOPe deal making with Private Money Making Business Deal Trump.

Trump wins.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (gvGwC)

58

Trump/Cruz support is all about destruction of the GOPe.
Posted by: maddogg at January 22, 2016 10:35 AM (rgIC0)

Trump doesn't know what he's up against.

I'm with Jack Welch on this.

Jack Welch: Cruz is valuable as an 'insider outsider'

Former General Electric CEO says the Texas senator always 'does what he says he's going to do' on 'Your World'

http://ow.ly/Xpf4m

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (qCMvj)

59 Now, all Ace has to do is write an article saying that Sarah Palin should be put in the VP spot.

This would be the ultimate "fuck you" to the GOP establishment and a particular "up your ass" to Charles CW Cooke.

Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (Zs4uk)

60 I think it reeks of desperation when you have Michael Medved and Glenn Beck lining up to lecture people on the perils of Trump to conservatism. Beck was handing out teddy bears to illegals and Medved, oh boy.

Posted by: ejo at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (il4FI)

61 The National Review circle jerk is fucking hilarious. The masks of the self-identified True Conservatives have been ripped off by a reality television star and the visages are as gross as anything depicted on "They Live." The GOP told us lie upon lie upon lie, and outlets such as National Review enabled the deception for decades. They are zombies already and clueless about it. Everyone sees them now and laughs or recoils, or both.

Yes, it always was all about the mass migration, and the Democrats and GOPe becoming the same as the European Davos crowd. Unfortunately for the American swells, the population is well-armed and not prone to expose their soft tummies. If anything physical happens to Trump, or he is denied a fair nomination and/or general election victory, this country will explode in ways that will make the French Revolution pale by comparison. This reality, fortunately, seems to be fully grasped by the very Establishment that created this instability. Did they really think people would capitulate as they did to the evisceration of the United States Constitution? Yes. Do they know better now? Probably.

We will be lucky to get by as easily as a President Trump and a political solution. Any foreigner who would consider investing in the United States is deranged at this point.

Can the country still be salvaged, though? It appears unlikely but it is too early to give up all hope. The next year will be the most important since the first American Revolution came to a close.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (pq97T)

62 Might Trump do the same? Maybe. Maybe not. But at least with Trump there's a chance he might stand up to Dems and actually fight them.
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I am of the opinion that Trump would 'deal' with them. Or, as the Left like to say 'compromise'. It's all that he talks about.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (oFSUK)

63 >>I am tired of being lectured to by people who are embarassed by me

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (NOIQH)

64 they dislike Cruz as much or more than Trump that is why they didnt endorse him last night

well fuck them in particular

such an enlightening primary season

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:46 AM (zOTsN)

65 I wouldn't classify most of the folks who penned anti-Trump pieces in National Review as "establishment" in the sense of Dole, Lott, McCain, etc.

Posted by: Doug at January 22, 2016 10:46 AM (fE9d/)

66 Top 'o the mornin' to ya, Ace! You do realize it is morning, don't ya?

Are you awake this early because you were stocking up on eggs and bread and milk?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 22, 2016 10:46 AM (so+oy)

67 Under no circumstances will I vote donk to teach anyone a lesson.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 22, 2016 10:46 AM (iQIUe)

68 electing a Democrat in 16 will be Game Over
Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (9iYoJ)

I'm thinking Ace means he would vote for Trump here.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 10:46 AM (qCMvj)

69 I am completely on-board with reversing course on the national party but I think we are missing something when we refer to them as the "establishment". Supposing we get Cruz or Trump as President and replace Ryan and McConnell with actual conservatives, then they will be the establishment. The problem is not the informal organization name but the ideology of progressivism. When the so-called moderates actually vote for progressive policies and laws that means they too are progressives. Let's call a spade a fucking shovel for Pete's sake.

Posted by: TxDan at January 22, 2016 10:46 AM (q3Y9r)

70 Welcome aboard, Ace!

Posted by: Born Free at January 22, 2016 10:46 AM (uGTin)

71 We've all in one way or another been a party to the shit sammiches at some time.

Everyone has their hill. Well, everyone except it seems the GOPe.

I'm resigned to the fact that it'll likely take something absolutely calamitous to reverse the tide.

We spent far too long trying to stem the tide instead of drawing clear lines.

Fuck the 60s. Fuck them with the barbed cock of a SatanGrizzly.

Posted by: krakatoa at January 22, 2016 10:46 AM (RCS9o)

72 I hope that's what he meant Steven but I just have to wonder. Once he reaches the white house will be forget about the people who put him there? And he is a narcissist. We've already had one narcissist in chief. I don't want another one. My gut is telling me no no no! on Trump.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 22, 2016 10:47 AM (l/N7H)

73 I'm no longer participating in any Trump v Cruz battles here anymore. It's gonna be one of them and I'm fine with that.

What we should be demanding Is these also-rans drop out. Now. They're a joke. No chance even of winning their own HOME STATE FOR-CRYING-OUT LOUD.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 22, 2016 10:47 AM (fbovC)

74 I was just told by Kevin Williamson to " get your emotions in check and grow the hell up," because I made this point to him.

And I'm not even a Trump supporter.

"L'establishment c'est moi."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 22, 2016 10:37 AM (Zu3d9)

yikes

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 10:47 AM (qCMvj)

75
18 So voting for Trump fixes this? Shit.. I am trusting him less and less every day and I was totally on board at first. He keeps saying he knows how to make deals. Isn't this what got us here? Making deals with the democrats? It's always the repubs that get fucked in these so called "deals". Reaching across the aisle has only gotten our faces slapped. I just don't trust anyone anymore and I don't even know if I will vote. I'm just very depressed over it all.
Posted by: jewells45 at January 22, 2016 10:39 AM (l/N7H)

Well I think the problem is that deals haven't been made. They've given democrats everything they want and then claiming they've made a "deal." Sort of like how the deal is always that the government grows bigger just not as much as the democrats want. It never shrinks just not as much as conservatives want.

It always winds up being Darth Vader dealing with Lando. And that's the big problem.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 22, 2016 10:47 AM (Va5xp)

76 The IDGAF what they say lists expands to include NR. It does not need swap some MSNBC crap out.

What lower taxes and deregulation - horsehockey.
Big Corporate pass along taxes and regulation may be a valid accusation.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 10:48 AM (DL2i+)

77 No, what got the GOP here was making bad deals, essentially folding their hand before the cards were even dealt. a) this will always result in a loss; b) they have no idea how to negotiate. Does it strike anyone as odd that Obama consistently lost in negotiation to every leader/country he tried to negotiate with globally while he pretty much ran the table with the Republicans.

Posted by: ejo at January 22, 2016 10:48 AM (il4FI)

78 Awwwww, widdle Jebbie has his mommy fighting for him.

http://tinyurl.com/z9w87zp

"Rather than talking about how popular they are or how great they are, he's doing it because he sees a huge need and it's not being filled by anybody."

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 22, 2016 10:48 AM (fWAjv)

79 Hmm. You know that "Neither sleet, nor snow, nor gloom of night..." thing? They are lying.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2016 10:48 AM (oFSUK)

80 65 I wouldn't classify most of the folks who penned anti-Trump pieces in National Review as "establishment" in the sense of Dole, Lott, McCain, etc.
Posted by: Doug at January 22, 2016 10:46 AM (fE9d/)

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NR is based in NY with its writers and editors all living in NY or DC. It's about as establishment as it gets,

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 22, 2016 10:48 AM (0LHZx)

81 And don't be fooled, this NR edition exists primarily to advance Rubio's cause.
Posted by: ace at January 22, 2016 10:38 AM (dciA+)

the chasm just grew wider as a result

what dopes they are

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 10:49 AM (qCMvj)

82 I am of the opinion that Trump would 'deal' with them. Or, as the Left like to say 'compromise'. It's all that he talks about.>>>

Another option might be that the twitter left will constantly harass Trump If he's elected. And Trump will go batshit crazy and try to punish them. So chaos may reign and save us all.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 22, 2016 10:49 AM (XtAzU)

83 Personally, I have to wonder how much of Trump's popularity is more of the people backlashing against the establishment than an actual hope that he can turn things around.

Yes. Because no one can turn this around.
Mr. Maths wins in the end. Always. $180 Billion in unfunded liabilities in city, county, & state pensions. 1/3 of the workforce not working. Unchecked immigration.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 10:49 AM (gvGwC)

84 "It's pure lunacy that the National Review is being derided as part of the GOP establishment...because they oppose Donald Trump. And the accusation is coming from someone who admits to promoting things he thought was wrong in order to support some greater good. How could things be more backward? Conservatives have all become rightly enraged that the Republican party has been abusing us all this time...but now many have gone into this zombie rage and just started attacking anything and eating each other just because we're there. Donald Trump is not conservative. You can delight in him attacking the establishment, but that doesn't mean you should want him to be President, or start thinking he's conservative and ignore literally every piece of evidence out there that he's just a self-serving dimwit with views much more consistent with liberal Democrats than anything else.
Posted by: Matt at January 22, 2016 10:43 AM (XNeYD)"

Oh Please... this is no longer Bill Buckley's publication. These guys have been selling us the Double Decker shit sandwiches for years. They helped deliver some pretty stellar unbeatable presidential candidates the last few years.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at January 22, 2016 10:49 AM (n/ogz)

85 what success has NRO had lately in guiding presidential elections?

didn't they make a huge big whiff on Romney

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 10:49 AM (9iYoJ)

86 Cascade. I like it. The system and it's enablers... as we've known it... will not survive this election season intact. We have Trump and him alone to thank for that.. even if he doesn't win...... but really.... we all know.... he's gonna win it ... and it'll be gorgeous! Luxurious! Yuge!

Posted by: Yip & 2 Corinthians at January 22, 2016 10:49 AM (e7T6D)

87 We're only getting 2-4 inches here in Boston area. I'm glad because I have a lot of appointments in past few & next few weeks. We had too much snow here last year.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 10:49 AM (sj3Ax)

88 I can't stand Trump and think he'd be an awful POTUS, but I'm irritated by this NR thing. I agree with their sentiment, but not with their approach. I think that it will be unpersuasive.

I said they marginalized themselves through this special anti-Trump issue. I was told I was wrong, but, guess what, NR has been dumped from the debate. They're on the "outside" now, aka "on the margins." QED.

I was told by supporters of NR (can we dispense with this stupid I Stand With X, please?) that they don't intend to persuade anyone with this b/c Trump's fans cannot be persuasive. They're doing this "on principle."

If that's the case, then why have most of this same crowd been blaming Talk Radio for the rise of Trump?

As I see it, only Rush, Levin, and maybe Hannity could turn voters away from Trump. So I think the these People Who Know Best should STFU with the attacks on Rush et al and make nice for a change.

I also think if they are truly trying to save the Republic, they should devote an issue of NR to lambasting the GOP Senators, donors, and Beltway crowd who are saying they'd support a Democrat over Ted Cruz. But they won't and you know why.

Posted by: Y-not at January 22, 2016 10:49 AM (t5zYU)

89 CON-servatism in all of its manifestations and in all of the salons of power must be destroyed utterly.

We have chosen the form of the destroyer.

Prepare - HE'S COMING!

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 10:49 AM (ahUUD)

90 "Choose the form of your Destructor"

And so, Teh Trump appears, ten stories tall, walking a slow, rumbly walk through Manhattan, trashing the NYT building along the way.

In our fantasy-movie world, Cruz co-stars as Godzilla, wreaking havoc among the Establishment Class.

We've bounced around the idea of a 3rd Party, which I think is an inherent loser. I'm still a fan of taking over the (R)stooped party, and using it's apparatus for good.

Both are tall orders.

But if we do go 3rd party, can we use the Stay-Puft Man as our Party Logo?

Elephants n' Donkeys are in the tar pit of history. It's the Marshmallow Man era, and I'm voting for the Smores ticket.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 22, 2016 10:50 AM (McRlu)

91 Look, people, we've got a divided government. I get that McConnell, et al. have been disappointing. On Ex-Im and lifting the sequester and many other things. But let's not forget that Obama's legislative agenda has been stopped dead in its tracks for five years now. That's a victory in and of itself.

Posted by: gts109 at January 22, 2016 10:50 AM (KIvt1)

92 Here is what is meant by a deal with the GOP: Dems: we want to overspend by a trillion; Repukes: we want a balanced budget (wink wink); Dems: Let's compromise at overspending by 750 billion. Repukes: Sounds good, let's do it.

Posted by: ejo at January 22, 2016 10:50 AM (il4FI)

93 "Sandwiches Made of Actual Shit"

That's exactly what it is! Wanna buy a toothbrush?

Posted by: The harelip toothbrush salesman from that old joke at January 22, 2016 10:50 AM (2oWD2)

94 And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily.

We did just that in 2008 and again in 2012. Only not quite the way you are suggesting, I think.

But the GOP is part and parcel of the Democrats, so that said, it ALL has to be destroyed.

And not just political parties, but the appendages of government that are the instruments of our subjugation - the bureaucracy and now the judiciary as well.

ALL OF IT.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 10:50 AM (zLP1L)

95 If they think Rubio is going to make a come back, NR needs an intervention.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 22, 2016 10:51 AM (iQIUe)

96 Hear, hear!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 10:51 AM (fQ/0p)

97 93 "Sandwiches Made of Actual Shit"

That's exactly what it is! Wanna buy a toothbrush?
Posted by: The harelip toothbrush salesman from that old joke at January 22, 2016 10:50 AM (2oWD2)

Made from the lice-ridden pubes of a dead crack whore no doubt.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 10:51 AM (zLP1L)

98 >>It's pure lunacy that the National Review is being derided as part of the GOP establishment...because they oppose Donald Trump.

Missing the big picture. This is not about allegiance to Trump, not at all.

It's about the people who tell us we can't nominate a conservative because only a mild-mannered moderate is "electable" - appeals to LIVs and moderates.

And now that we have a former Dem spouting populist stuff that appeals to moderates and LIVs they tell us no, he's not conservative.

Shorter message: Nominate our establishment guy, rubes, because you're too stupid to know what's good for you.

Also, they're torpedoing the guy who's been polling @ 40% and filling stadiums - they will destroy the lead candidate and help a Dem win over the "wrong guy" being our candidate.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 10:51 AM (NOIQH)

99

there are not two parties

there is only k street and k street does not care about the nation it cares about k street

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:51 AM (zOTsN)

100 I'm going to have to believe Ace because video is taking too long to open on my iPad.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (sj3Ax)

101 If Trump gets the nomination, the Dems are gonna savage him six ways from Sunday trying to win the general. He doesn't take well to the milder GOP attacks; he's going to be mad as a hornet after the Dem hot-wash.

I don't see an elected Trump being in any mood to cut weak deals with the Democrats anytime soon after the election.

Posted by: General Zod at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (Bdeb0)

102 "But let's not forget that Obama's legislative agenda has been stopped dead in its tracks for five years now."

given his executive agenda, that's weak sauce

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (9iYoJ)

103 Why is Ace up so early?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (iQIUe)

104 Trump, when elected, will do for America exactly what Arnold Schwarzenegger did for California.

This is literally our last chance. Please don't fuck it up.

Posted by: fretless at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (TtMyK)

105 I can understand Trump fear but like Ace and Rush and smart folks here keep saying. You (GOPe) built his coalition by repeatedly stabbing your base in the back. The Cochran/Daniels thing was about the last straw for me but I saw it in my own state in 2010.

The Insider R candidate went after the conservative 'tea party' sentiment candidate (long time R at county/regional level not an unknown) with editing to put "war on women" words in his mouth, and that gave the Dem the insiders were less scared of the edge in the general after insider lost the primary.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (chkUd)

106 splashing some ketchup on Sandwiches Made of Actual Shit

****

Well geez, Ace, there's your mistake right there. Ketchup does NOT go well with the relatively high salt content of feces. You need to go with something more on the sweet end of the scale like maybe honey mustard.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (NeFrd)

107 #15
And don't be fooled, this NR edition exists primarily to advance Rubio's cause.

'zactly. And it won't work, but that's the GOPe for ya.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (HMt16)

108 99

there are not two parties

there is only k street and k street does not care about the nation it cares about k street
Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:51 AM (zOTsN)

Democrats are out to destroy the nation for political/ideological reasons.

GOP-e just wants to be there to make a buck off of it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (zLP1L)

109 >>I am tired of being lectured to by people who are embarassed by me

yeah that sums it up perfectly

Posted by: brak at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (xwPSp)

110 >>95 If they think Rubio is going to make a come back, NR needs an intervention.

If NR was serious, they'd back Cruz NOW.

It'll be interesting to see what Rubio's fundraising totals were last quarter. Should know at the end of the month.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (t5zYU)

111 349 I don't have enough money to buy a politician.

My opinion and a quarter is worth a quarter.

They won't listen to me, or the majority of us.

They're only concerned when the cats (that's us) become harder to herd.

Now we are moving into the hectoring and lecturing portion of the election cycle, a little sooner than they'd like. Usually, they get their GOPe stamped candidate, and then tell the rubes about how this is a pivotal moment in history, and fall in line, and fuck you.

This time the concern seems to be that not only will they not get "their" preferred candidate, but that they might win with the wrong one, and thus damage the shiny lustrous brand that is the Party.

I'm powerless. An audience member screaming at the screen of an already made movie. So are most of us, and all the name calling is getting silly.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 22, 2016 10:51 AM (kKHcp)

Posted by: OneEyedJack, not getting Willowed today! at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (kKHcp)

112 Anything that helps elect Clinton or Sanders is evil, plain and simple. They will destroy what's left of the Constitution/Separation of Powers/Individual Liberty in America. It is their stated goal. No fit of pique or "betrayal" by people I've never met would push me to aid and abet the human tragedy of Leftism.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2016 10:53 AM (2cS/G)

113

This is K Street vs the people and the people just figured it out

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:53 AM (zOTsN)

114 I'm not sure I follow Ace. I look at Trump as the Manchurian establishment candidate. There is nothing conservative about him. Cruz is conservative and I expect that NR will be supporting him.

Posted by: Guest of the Scotts at January 22, 2016 10:53 AM (Rcghw)

115 106 Well geez, Ace, there's your mistake right there. Ketchup does NOT go well with the relatively high salt content of feces. You need to go with something more on the sweet end of the scale like maybe honey mustard.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (NeFrd)

The corn kernels in the turds add the sweetness. And ethanol. D'oh!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 10:53 AM (zLP1L)

116 Trump or Cruz, I'd be happy with either getting the GOP nomination, so long as we're assured they can win the general. A Trump steamroll over Hillary would make quite a statement. After Bernie bloodies her up a bit it may be fairly easy to take out what's left of her.

I feel much better about nudging a non-establishment figure toward doing what's right than to get yet another establishment figure to do anything that speaks to me.

Posted by: Swanzinator at January 22, 2016 10:53 AM (FEaBh)

117 "Sandwiches Made of Actual Shit"

Go on...

Posted by: Martin Bashir at January 22, 2016 10:53 AM (FwRqg)

118 Ivanka's response to the NRO (over at Breitbart)

Ivanka Trump - verified account 10 hours ago

Seems like another reason to vote for Trump.

Good for her! lol

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 10:53 AM (qCMvj)

119 electing a Democrat in 16 will be Game Over
Posted by: Feh

The game was over a long time ago. We are now in the after game anti-celebration.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2016 10:53 AM (FkBIv)

120 If NR was serious, they'd back Cruz NOW.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (t5zYU)

They won't do that, because too many Beltway cocktail party invitations are at stake.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (GUBah)

121 Dang it, willow'd again.

OK, serious question. I'm hoping to hear from the staunch anti-Trump types on this.

What is the plan for the mainstream Right to deal with the sentiments espoused by much of Trump's support--the nationalistic impulse (stricter immigration controls, reworking trade to keep American jobs, etc.)? Is the "America First" sentiment something that can be redirected, in your opinion?

I'm dead serious here because I'd like to think there was a way to tap this very legitimate sentiment in a productive manner, and the alternative scares the living shit outta me.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (9krrF)

122 The main problem with discussing politics is that it's mostly preaching to the choir. The vast majority of people are set in their beliefs and will only begin to change them after a long period of being personally affected by the results of their beliefs. We told liberals all day how bad Obamacare was going to be, but how many didn't really realize it until they lost their health insurance or had it increase by orders of magnitude?

The same goes with people who are looking to Trump as the same kind of unshakeable faith that Obama's supporters did in 2008. All the conservatives in the world can come out against Trump, but the level of anger at the GOP is so high and trust in them is so low that it probably won't do any good.

If people really think Trump would be a better president to advance conservatism than Cruz or Rubio, the only thing that will convince them otherwise is seeing the kind of crony-capitalist, big-government, decidedly non-conservative policies President Trump would surely pursue in office. Suckers don't usually see how badly they've been taken until the damage is already done.

Posted by: RedStick at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (SQho9)

123 I serve a greater good which has nothing to do with the Democrats or Republicans.

However, I don't mind the R party being destroyed if t will get people in line. I just won't vote for Hillary-period. She's a liar, and a betrayer of the US. Will i vote for Jeb if the put him up-No. i might vote for Rubio.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (w4NZ8)

124 Trump won't solve our fiscal problems. He never talks about them, in fact. And, he's said he won't touch Medicare or Social Security, except "to bring more money in." Who knows what that means, but it's either Jeb!'s magical economic growth generator or a tax hike, not reforms in the programs themselves to make them work.

Posted by: gts109 at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (KIvt1)

125 344 Morning, no snow yet here for me, but hubby brought home all the essentials last night. A case of wine and about 6 awesome steaks, should hold us for a few days.
Posted by: spypeach at January 22, 2016 10:46 AM (nyYhO)
----
Spypeach!

I'm hunkering own with the essentials too.

*plops Luxardo cherry into Manhattan*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (jR7Wy)

126 And nominating the most demonstrably liberal nominee will really stick it to those establishment types.

Posted by: Naes at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (Ypc8j)

127 ketchup vs. catsup

Discuss!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (NeFrd)

128
Kevin D. Williamson
Print NR remains by far largest magazine of its kind, ftr.

The bulk of those subscriptions going into schools and libraries where they sit unread.

And just to put one's cultural impact in perspective

2014 Total Paid and Verified Circulation
NATIONAL REVIEW 143,200
PETERSEN'S BOWHUNTING 125,287

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (kdS6q)

129 Someone must have stuck a link to this post up on NRO

Posted by: Buzzion at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (Va5xp)

130 This is literally our last chance. Please don't fuck it up.

Posted by: fretless at

hey sport

"WE" didn't fuck it up. "WE" are just pointing out that the entire system is fucked up

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (zOTsN)

131 This really seems like a desperation move by NRO to stay relevant. It's pathetic.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (2x3L+)

132 socialists = communists
democrats = socialists
republicans* = social democrats
conservatives = realists

* including GOPe, NRO, etc

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 10:55 AM (9iYoJ)

133 The game was over a long time ago. We are now in the after game ~~anti-celebration~~ hooligan rioting.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 22, 2016 10:53 AM (FkBIv)

That may be a little more accurate.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 22, 2016 10:55 AM (GUBah)

134 "He keeps saying he knows how to make deals. Isn't this what got us here? Making deals with the democrats? It's always the repubs that get fucked in these so called "deals".

You are confusing SOP GOPe deal making with Private Money Making Business Deal Trump.

Trump wins."

This !
In business it's customary for both parties in a deal to get at least some of what they want. I think this might be what Trump means by "deal".
The GOP, not so much. To them, "deal" means we get BOHICA w/o lube or reacharound, and they get richer.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 22, 2016 10:55 AM (erRNA)

135 >>>So voting for Trump fixes this? Shit.. I am trusting him less and less every day and I was totally on board at first. He keeps saying he knows how to make deals. Isn't this what got us here? Making deals with the democrats?

I ABSOLUTELY hear that. That concerns the hell out of me, and I am moving more and more on to the Cruz Ship.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 22, 2016 10:55 AM (dciA+)

136 Cruz is conservative and I expect that NR will be supporting him.

Non-sequitur. They're Rubes for Rubio, I guaran-damn-tee.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 22, 2016 10:55 AM (9krrF)

137
People change, but I doubt Trump is a conservative. But it doesn't matter, there can be no conservative govt with the current establishment of the GOP. So delenda est to those bastards.

(but don't put any hope in Trump if you vote for him, you will likely be disappointed)

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2016 10:55 AM (ODxAs)

138 I think reaching the point that so many of us are saying "who the fuck cares if the Dems win" is the key point.

How far gone from fidelity to your principles do you have to be for that to be a valid option?

It's like saying, "Wife, I'd rather live in a cardboard box, getting handjobs from hobos and banging whores rotted through with syphilis and herpes than spend another night with you."

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 10:55 AM (fQ/0p)

139 Here, hear, hair, har, HIC!

Posted by: Hillary! at January 22, 2016 10:55 AM (5yFOu)

140 Trump v Cruz battles here anymore. It's gonna be one of them

Both would've been better.
Even that wont be enough.
And Trump gotta Trump.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 10:56 AM (DL2i+)

141 And nominating the most demonstrably liberal nominee will really stick it to those establishment types.

Posted by: Naes at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (Ypc8j)

we did that?

must have missed all the RNC and NRO support for Cruz to beat Trump

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:56 AM (zOTsN)

142 "Trump won't solve our fiscal problems. He never talks about them, in fact. "

a year out, it's not time to get real specific

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 10:56 AM (9iYoJ)

143 Begun, the anti-Establishment wars have.

Posted by: joncelli Yoda at January 22, 2016 10:56 AM (RD7QR)

144 44
I am tired of being lectured to by people who are embarassed by me

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:43 AM (zOTsN)

DITTO!! Time for them to eat those tasty brown sandwiches they have been feeding us.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at January 22, 2016 10:56 AM (jxbfJ)

145 128 Well,you need something to read in the shitter.

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 10:56 AM (8HTq1)

146 Every President has and will make "deals." The issue is what kind of deal is made. We get the short end of every deal for the last 25 years on every major issue, so maybe Trump can get us a better deal? This is not a crazy idea to have. It may not work out that way, but it isn't crazy to want to give it a shot given the past history and results.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 22, 2016 10:56 AM (COpZ4)

147 If Trump gets the nomination, the Dems are gonna savage him six ways from Sunday trying to win the general. He doesn't take well to the milder GOP attacks; he's going to be mad as a hornet after the Dem hot-wash.

I don't see an elected Trump being in any mood to cut weak deals with the Democrats anytime soon after the election.

I don't see Trump's ego allowing him to cut a "weak" deal ever.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 10:56 AM (gvGwC)

148 121 Dang it, willow'd again.

OK, serious question. I'm hoping to hear from the staunch anti-Trump types on this.

What is the plan for the mainstream Right to deal with the sentiments espoused by much of Trump's support--the nationalistic impulse (stricter immigration controls, reworking trade to keep American jobs, etc.)? Is the "America First" sentiment something that can be redirected, in your opinion?

I'm dead serious here because I'd like to think there was a way to tap this very legitimate sentiment in a productive manner, and the alternative scares the living shit outta me.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (9krrF)

America first has many meanings. Some more politically charged than others. To me, it means a robust foreign policy that keeps us and our national security interests safe. No more Democracy Projects, but military action as and when needed to punish and neutralize threats to the nation, and to warn our geopolitical adversaries not to fuck with us and our allies.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 10:56 AM (zLP1L)

149 I caught Rubio on Faux News & he comes off as FOS. He claims he's the only "true conservative" in the race & proceeded to bad mouth Cruz.

What's with all the Cruz hate? He's ahead of Rubio & Rubio stupidly quit senate seat. Remember when he was sold as the most eloquent TP candidate? All BS.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 10:57 AM (sj3Ax)

150 National Review is a mixed bag to me. There is a lot of good there, and a lot of "The Greater Good" rubbish as well. I mean, for example, Uncommon Knowledge, or Kevin and Charles with Mad Dogs and Englishmen -> very Classical Liberal, but then you have the Romney or else trash also.

I also get voting strategically, but hell - the established order needs to burn with fire. Does that mean I'm pro Trump? Never. I have principals behind my positions, and Trump aligns with precisely none of them (speaking of his practical stance over time, not what he says now cause fuck what politicians say during elections. That's Obamaism 101). And of course, then in rush the moronic "herr derr so ud rather herp hillary derp..."

Nope, and grow up. Doesn't necessarily follow...dufuses.

Not remotely. But even if we did have her - I'm not totally convinced it would really be all that different from Trump, do you? Do you truly?

Anyway, the truth is - I want to see the RNC and GOP as it is/was decimated. Same with out bullshit suicidal PC culture.
But I want to see this done with logic and reason, and classical liberal principals, not by a transparent lying low-rent prick preaching borderline fascism.

And fuck this idea that "he speaks his mind and doesn't give a fuck." Yeah - so did a bunch of homeless mentally insane people outside my old work building in Portland. High praise guys.

At the federal level, the reality is we are beyond fucked. You want America to be great again? People need to get more invested locally and with their States. America is an idea, not just a landmass. And it certainly isn't our government. Its strongest in your neighborhood, not at a political circus show.

Anyway, just blowing off steam. I wish I had a better answer, but I really got nothing at this point. Damn the presidency and damn this shit show of an election. Read books, work hard, and pass these values on to your kids.

Posted by: adc at January 22, 2016 10:57 AM (p580n)

151 10:20 am || Recieves the Presidential Daily Briefing
10:55 am || Tweets Selfie to celebrate National Hug Day
5:10 pm || Delivers remarks at the U.S. Conference of Mayors; East Room

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 22, 2016 10:57 AM (fWAjv)

152 But let's not forget that Obama's legislative agenda has been stopped dead in its tracks for five years now. That's a victory in and of itself.
Posted by: gts109 at January 22, 2016 10:50 AM (KIvt1)

-----

OK .... first you insult Ace, and now you just insult yourself.

Thats about the stupidest Ive read around here in a while.... and trust me.... we see ALOT of stupid shit.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 10:57 AM (8XRCm)

153 "And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson..."

Finally, the unvarnished truth.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 22, 2016 10:57 AM (UnJ7w)

154 An audience member screaming at the screen of an already made movie. So are most of us, and all the name calling is getting silly.
Posted by: OneEyedJack

****

fist bump!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 22, 2016 10:58 AM (NeFrd)

155 >>> I'm not sure I follow Ace. I look at Trump as the Manchurian establishment candidate. There is nothing conservative about him. Cruz is conservative and I expect that NR will be supporting him.

I hear that. Trump's "Cruz doesn't do enough deals with Democrats' bullshit has me very worried.

But I"m still amazed that the establishment is still directing its anger at those who have noticed the establishment's failings, rather than undertake a self-examination to determine why they've lost everyone's confidence and trust.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 22, 2016 10:58 AM (dciA+)

156 >>If NR was serious, they'd back Cruz NOW.

Bingo!
Cruz is the most conservative and respectful of the Constitution. NRO *could* have offered him up as an alternative instead of just saying make that loud, vulgar guy who is not one of us disappear!!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 10:58 AM (NOIQH)

157 It was very odd commenting on NRO last night. It was utterly taken over by lunatics and unthinking morons. The main article against Trump outlined a very cogent argument against support for Trump. It endorsed no one. It didn't say, "Vote for Jeb or all is lost."

And yet, National Review is being shredded for cautioning against translating reasonable anger among the electorate into support for a loudmouthed, self-aggrandizing pseudo-conservative.

Posted by: red speck at January 22, 2016 10:58 AM (9/Ug/)

158 I am leaning Cruz at this point.. If only because Trump and the GOPe is breaking bad on him so much. fuck them.. fuck em all.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 22, 2016 10:58 AM (so+oy)

159 " You (GOPe) built his coalition by repeatedly stabbing your base in the back."

Zackly. This monster did not evolve in a vacuum.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 22, 2016 10:58 AM (LA7Cm)

160 I think you and NR both have it wrong. We need to destroy Hillary (or Bernie if she goes under). The way to do it is not shit on Trump, nor is it to shit on the establishment. I know the establishment has been an adulterous pos, I get that. Trump can't construct a sentence and was donating to the world's worst democrats five minutes ago.

What everyone should sell is "vote whoever the people nominate" and stop the intraparty horseshit.

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 10:58 AM (JaVCz)

161 146 Every President has and will make "deals." The issue is what kind of deal is made. We get the short end of every deal for the last 25 years on every major issue, so maybe Trump can get us a better deal? This is not a crazy idea to have. It may not work out that way, but it isn't crazy to want to give it a shot given the past history and results.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 22, 2016 10:56 AM (COpZ4)

The problem with deal making is the Overton Window. No matter how the deal is made or the compromise is achieved, the direction of our country is STILL always to the Left. Not even a pause and never a move back to Constitutional republicanism.

That's why I do not want a "deal maker." I want a fucking "ball breaker."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 10:58 AM (zLP1L)

162 And, he's said he won't touch Medicare or Social Security, except "to bring more money in." Who knows what that means, but it's either Jeb!'s magical economic growth generator or a tax hike, not reforms in the programs themselves to make them work.

First priority should be to bring more money in. Trump is business person. First and foremost. Improve the bottom line.

Every under-the-table dollar paid to someone who does not belong in this country, escapes taxation, and gets exported to some other country.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 22, 2016 10:59 AM (fbovC)

163 Republican congress just funded planned parenthood, but they attack Trump for not being pro life enough and hilariously also attack Sarah Palin of all people and says she isn't pro life either now after the endorsement lol. Of all the attacks you could make, questioning her pro life cred has got to be the most ludicrous, especially when repubs are funding Obama's death factory of planned parenthood.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 22, 2016 10:59 AM (COpZ4)

164 'm not sure I follow Ace. I look at Trump as the Manchurian establishment candidate. There is nothing conservative about him. Cruz is conservative and I expect that NR will be supporting him.

Posted by: Guest of the Scotts

then why didnt the last night, make a big splash

cause they hate Cruz more

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 10:59 AM (zOTsN)

165 Massachusetts Care which was the blue print for Obamacare was totally Conservstive and a good reason to nominate Mitt Romney.

--
The Staff of ameatuere webzine NRO

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 10:59 AM (ahUUD)

166 Seems to me, Mr. Ace, you are looking to a greater good. Your previous position was not about "winning elections" as a greater good, but about getting more of what you like, rather than less. Certain trade-offs were deemed acceptable. You've come around to believing those trade-offs are not helpful in the long-run.

That you could make peace with having an incompetent liberal buffoon as president IS about a greater good. Else you've lost your mind entirely. And indeed, you've expressed your position as seeking a greater - and more permanent - good.

I disagree that Trump has destroyed the establishment bargain. He is one part of a continuing campaign. At the end of the day, conservatives need an enduring base of support. Even liberals, for all their unfortunate successes cannot maintain such a reliable base. Only by winning and being able to exert an influence on the nutballs we elect can we go in a direction we like. Republicans do have the upper hand on immigration and abortion (a topic on which you are wrong) but they have been far too timid to use the power.

I'm glad for whatever good can come from Trump's nonsense, but he is no savior.

Posted by: Crispian at January 22, 2016 10:59 AM (n9Zp5)

167 151 I'm sure he will enjoy a good blowjob from DeBlasio.

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 10:59 AM (8HTq1)

168 OK, serious question. I'm hoping to hear from the staunch anti-Trump types on this.

What is the plan for the mainstream Right to deal with the sentiments espoused by much of Trump's support--the nationalistic impulse (stricter immigration controls, reworking trade to keep American jobs, etc.)? Is the "America First" sentiment something that can be redirected, in your opinion?

The plan? "Shut your whore mouth!"

It's worked for the last 30 years.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 10:59 AM (gvGwC)

169 104 Trump, when elected, will do for America exactly what Arnold Schwarzenegger did for California.
This is literally our last chance. Please don't fuck it up.
Posted by: fretless at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (TtMyK)

THIS.

Posted by: jwb7605 at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (DofIg)

170 The Gang of 8 amnesty legislation was totally Conservstive and a good reason to get behind Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (ahUUD)

171 Is this whole thing kooky, or what?

Posted by: Scoldy McScolderson at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (UzPAd)

172 What everyone should sell is "vote whoever the people nominate" and stop the intraparty horseshit.

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 10:58 AM (JaVCz)

then why didnt NRO back Cruz and tell the rest to get out last night

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (zOTsN)

173 OK, I'll concede that Trump is not a Conservative as many of these contributors to the anti-Trump NR issue define it.

So, National Review, who IS the Conservative? Who is candidate that best meets your Conservative litmus test? The GOPe hates Cruz at least as much as they hate Trump, so who are we left with?

The Republican party has lied to me repeatedly. They have completely caved to both Obama and big statist corporacrats. Today's Republican party is little removed from from the Democrats of yesterday. At this point, to continue my support of the mainstream GOPe is akin to battered voter syndrome. I've been lied to for the better part of two decades and things have only gotten worse.

So tell me National Review, who is the Conservative I should be supporting?

Posted by: Commissar M at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (Xx2PC)

174 I never thought I'd say this but I'd rather Hillary! finish us off than put another wishy-washy Republican in office....

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (/dSsq)

175 The Beck / NRO wing of the GOP. . .

Really? I bet all Asians look alike to you too.
And there was no space between Franklin and Milton Freidman.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (q2o38)

176 "And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach
the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily."

No. Just, no.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (DLu2s)

177 America first has many meanings. Some more politically charged than others. To me, it means a robust foreign policy that keeps us and our national security interests safe. No more Democracy Projects, but military action as and when needed to punish and neutralize threats to the nation, and to warn our geopolitical adversaries not to fuck with us and our allies.

Fair enough, but it doesn't quite answer my question, which is what you do with all the folks we once called "middle America" without a sneer who are sick of being the designated losers and whipping boys. Because ignoring and abusing them, that's not going to lead to a good place for anyone.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (9krrF)

178

the party is dead, there has been a coup

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (zOTsN)

179 Medicaid expansions which are totally Conservstive are good reasons to get behind John Kasich and Chris Christie.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 11:00 AM (ahUUD)

180 NR Anti-Trump Ed... = Stompy feet whaaaaaaaaa

It's like Obama keeps saying that if you disagree with him or his, YOU just aren't listening!

heh.

Posted by: Yip & 2 Corinthians at January 22, 2016 11:01 AM (e7T6D)

181 Well,you need something to read in the shitter.

That's where I used to read it. Let the subscription lapse after a lay-off; didn't miss it. Stopped reading the website after the Steyn thing, except for occasional links shared elsewhere (I do like Wesley J. Smith's columns). Eh.

Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at January 22, 2016 11:01 AM (zUlgQ)

182 But let's not forget that Obama's legislative agenda has been stopped
dead in its tracks for five years now. That's a victory in and of
itself.

Dood, a joke needs a punchline man.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 11:01 AM (DL2i+)

183 Common Core is so totally Conservstive and a good reason to get behind Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 11:01 AM (ahUUD)

184 I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination, because I don't want to ever look back and think my action or non-action permitted Clinton, Sanders, or player to be named later to win.

Scott Walkers was my first choice, Carly Fiorina my second, and while I'm OK with Rubio, Ted Cruz is my 3rd choice. Personally, I don't like or trust Donald Trump. He hasn't demonstrated with concrete actions that he is really on our team. If he wins I'll vote for him, and hope for the best.

Posted by: Jill at January 22, 2016 11:01 AM (73TVV)

185 " He's ahead of Rubio & Rubio stupidly quit senate seat. Remember when he was sold as the most eloquent TP candidate? All BS. "

Yes, yes I do. And after getting elected on a BS premise it took him about two seconds to start bending over and conniving with the Rats.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 22, 2016 11:02 AM (LA7Cm)

186 My take on National Review's Trump Issue:

"This can't be happening, this can't be happening, won't someone make this brute go away, oh God! Save me, please. The president is going to sound like Archie Bunker - the president is going to be Archie Bunker! Must be calm, must be calm - to heck with calm!

*lights hair on fire, runs around the room screaming, leaps out of office window*

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quench Your Fires with Ice Scream at the Outrage Outlet! at January 22, 2016 11:02 AM (hLRSq)

187 >>44 I am tired of being lectured to by people who are embarassed by me

ThunderB nails it.

I am not a Trump supporter. In fact, I'm not sure I could pull the lever for him, even in the general. I'd probably leave the POTUS space blank. But the NR issue came off as lecturing. The GOPers should be spending more time listening to voters and less time lecturing them.

I'm all in for Cruz at this point. There are others I could support in the general, but in the primary it's basically Cruz for me now.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 22, 2016 11:02 AM (t5zYU)

188 "I caught Rubio on Faux News & he comes off as FOS. He claims he's the only "true conservative" in the race & proceeded to bad mouth Cruz. "

if so, Rubio is a political non-starter

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:02 AM (9iYoJ)

189 Trump 2016 and a shit sandwich for the NR please.

Posted by: gonzotx at January 22, 2016 11:02 AM (Dhoxe)

190 No Child left behind which was written by Ted Kennedy is so completly Conservstive and a good reason to fall in line and go with establishment GOP candidates.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 11:02 AM (ahUUD)

191 The larger the % of the economy the government controls, the more you have people with economic interests that are affected.

This makes for more influence peddling. Things we have done to screw this country.

1. Let non property owners vote
2. Let women vote
3. Change the election of Senator to direct.

These three fundamental changes in our founding father's constitution have undone our country.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:03 AM (jJRIy)

192 Whither AmishDude? He was all in for this garbage from NR on Twitter last night . . .

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at January 22, 2016 11:03 AM (Nj2wY)

193

The NRO just handed Trump $millions more in free airtime.

Again, what dopes.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:03 AM (qCMvj)

194 >>>
Scott Walkers was my first choice, Carly Fiorina my second, and while I'm OK with Rubio, Ted Cruz is my 3rd choice. Personally, I don't like or trust Donald Trump. He hasn't demonstrated with concrete actions that he is really on our team. If he wins I'll vote for him, and hope for the best.

completely 100% understandable -- I think he's completely untrustworthy. He's a salesman, and he'll say fucking anything to make you sign on the line that is dotted.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 22, 2016 11:03 AM (dciA+)

195
Trump is not necessarily the answer. He's just the mirror of the rage that a good percentage of the nation is feeling.

This is why he is in the lead. What he actually will do as POTUS is still a very big question mark. And his past record does not fill me with strength and confidence.

But I'm an asshole somehow for pointing this out.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 11:03 AM (zLP1L)

196 It was very odd commenting on NRO last night. It was utterly taken over by lunatics and unthinking morons. The main article against Trump outlined a very cogent argument against support for Trump. It endorsed no one. It didn't say, "Vote for Jeb or all is lost."

And yet, National Review is being shredded for cautioning against translating reasonable anger among the electorate into support for a loudmouthed, self-aggrandizing pseudo-conservative.

Posted by: red speck

they endorsed no one

if Trump is an existential threat to the nation that they claim he is they would have

they want Rubio, they hate Cruz so they write an issue about Trump

super duper honest and not manipulative at all

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:03 AM (zOTsN)

197 124 Trump won't solve our fiscal problems. He never talks about them, in fact. And, he's said he won't touch Medicare or Social Security, except "to bring more money in." Who knows what that means, but it's either Jeb!'s magical economic growth generator or a tax hike, not reforms in the programs themselves to make them work.
Posted by: gts109 at January 22, 2016 10:54 AM (KIvt1)

Greetings! Newcomers table is over in the corner, near the desserts. Will you be joining us on a regular basis? Did you bring a hot dish?

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (kXzR8)

198 And don't be fooled, this NR edition exists primarily to advance Rubio's cause.

The Ewok is wise. If NR was trying to help Cruz, the issue would be "Cruz for President", like they did for Mitt.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (znyNk)

199 Trump is a leftier version of Romney without the administrative abilities. And worse hair.

Posted by: Guest of the Scotts at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (Rcghw)

200 Remember the Tea Party?

The choice was third party or work within the Republican Party.

The latter won out.

And exactly what those advocating the former predicted would happen, did.

They bought them off with cheap promises until they could be co-opted and then they turned against them.

Worse, every Obama policy that he needed passed, has passed. We're at the point where the Republican Speaker is passing bills against the majority of his own party using the support of the Democrats.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (fQ/0p)

201 "So, National Review, who IS the Conservative? Who is candidate that best meets your Conservative litmus test?"

Well, apparently Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (LA7Cm)

202 There is no way in hell NRO will endorse Cruz. They despise the guy.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (2x3L+)

203 NR did the same thing in regard to Buchanan without endorsing anyone. As with any selection one has to make from a choice of many, it's far easier to eliminate the one who you believe to be the worst of that list than to choose the one who would be the best.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (khWYc)

204 I said I was going to stay away from the political interwebs today but I'm glad I read this.

I'm to the banshee screeching (moreso) level in response to all the tut tuttery and the chin stroking and the horrifically appalling condescension from those whom believe they know better than I when I am, with no false modesity, far more intelligent then they.

Trump is the creation of the GOP for lying and lying and lying and lying and then lying more. Trump is the logical conclusion that if all that mattes is power, then, dammit, we're going to grab power for ourselves this time. The rise of Trump is no surprise to anyone with even the most passing familiarity with history. This shock and horror and vapors and stunned surprise speaks only to the lack of wit and credibility by those feigning, and I do think it many cases it is feigning, ignorance as to the cause behind his rise.

I'm done listening to calls for civility by those who drop a casual Trumpkin or Trumptard.

I'm done listening to lectures on What It Means To Be A Conservative from those who supported the current GOP leadership who gave us the most recent Cromibus abomination.

I'm done being sneered at about oh but I thought you believed in principles but not power by the very same people who told me to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up and vote and campaign and contribute to the GOP nominee because so what if he doesn't share your principles, the GOP must have power in order to advance the principles some day. Funny, the power is given but the advancement never seems to follow.

I am beyond done with the jaw dropping hypocrisy of the you owe the GOP your vote and there is no Establishment there is only the candidate who won the votes by those now declaring that they will go 3rd party if Trump, you know, wins the votes.

I'm right there with you, ace. I'm done. Done and done and done again.

Congratulations, pragmatists. You've pragmatically proven that my voice is meaningless and that you do, in fact, have the exact amount of contempt for me which I have always accused you of having.

A pox on it all.

And, as always, remember this. I'm not a Trump supporter. But I will be damned if I take any part in this joyous new era where I watch people become exactly the same kind of cunts towards one another that the Left has always been to us.

Go ahead. You have fun with that. But me? Yeah, je refuse.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (IrByp)

205 Massively expanding H1b visas that rob high paying jobs from Americans while forcing them to train their replacements is so totally Conservstive that we should just fall in line and get behind GOPe candidates.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (ahUUD)

206 155.

NR shows no indication of supporting Cruz. They bash him second. If Trump didn't exist they'd be full out bashing Cruz. They can just barely tolerate Rubio (he was teaparty originally). David French has been very sensible.

Hell, most of them wrote articles siding against Cruz in the "NY Values" debacle. Their transplanted media feelings were hurt even when everyone else on the planet understood what Cruz meant.

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (JaVCz)

207 "an incompetent liberal buffoon"

who is cleaning your clock

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (9iYoJ)

208 al Qaeda
ISIS
Taliban
Arabs
Persians
Muslims
Israelis
Jews

I don't know who to support either.

When's my tee time?

Posted by: President Barack Obama at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (UzPAd)

209 without Trump we wouldn't even be having an argument. everything would be pc as hell, cruz included.

Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (nFwvY)

210 Whey are so many right leaning twitterers going after Rush and Levin? Rush and Levin are echoing the frustration the base has with GOPe. Also not coincidental that the Rush hating twitterers are all Rubio fans.
And the same tweeters are crying because Trump will destroy conservatism. No, Trent Lott, McConell, McCain,Grahamnesty, Eric Cantor etc did that.

Remember Mississippi.

Posted by: Red Enchilada at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (+i7ay)

211 OK, serious question. I'm hoping to hear from the staunch anti-Trump types on this.

What is the plan for the mainstream Right to deal with the sentiments espoused by much of Trump's support--the nationalistic impulse (stricter immigration controls, reworking trade to keep American jobs, etc.)? Is the "America First" sentiment something that can be redirected, in your opinion?

The plan? "Shut your whore mouth!"

It's worked for the last 30 years.
Posted by: rickb223
...............
Uhh sorry.. just because I think Trump is a douchebag doesn't mean I have to have a fiucking plan to deal with his supporters.. its up to them to fucking deal with it.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (so+oy)

212 Trump is not necessarily the answer. He's just the mirror of the rage that a good percentage of the nation is feeling.

This is why he is in the lead. What he actually will do as POTUS is still a very big question mark. And his past record does not fill me with strength and confidence.

But I'm an asshole somehow for pointing this out.

No You're not. I feel the same way so I'm an asshole too.

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (/dSsq)

213 Light bulb bans are so totally Conservstive and not a massive kickback to GE and Phillips.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (ahUUD)

214 NRO has too much Chrissie Matthews in its blood

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (9iYoJ)

215 2. Let women vote

At least Nip's still a bigot.

Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (zUlgQ)

216 For an "elite" class, they are pretty stupid to not see the anger and frustration of the populace. That is, if they care.

===

They don't. They've nothing but contempt for 'the people' this much ought to be obvious now.

Posted by: Bigby's A-holes and Elbows at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (3ZtZW)

217 My older brother just brought up the mail & he said this is all they're talking about on Fox Business.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (sj3Ax)

218 103
Why is Ace up so early?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 22, 2016 10:52 AM (iQIUe)

It's actually more alarming than the break down of the GOP.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 22, 2016 11:06 AM (4ErVI)

219 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (oFSUK)

I have nothing against compromising with Democrats.

It's just that for the most part, the Republicans idea of compromise is to give them everything they want and more.

They never fight they never stand and say no.

They even telegraph ahead of negotiations that they're going to give it all up.

Who negotiates or plays poker like that?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 22, 2016 11:06 AM (Xo1Rt)

220 And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily.

Ace, that's great and there's nothing for me to disagree with in your post.

On this though, the Establishment is really rather happy to have a Democrat elected over a non-Establishment candidate. Hell, I watched it happen first hand in Virginia as the GOP withheld support from Cuccinelli and actually had some squish state Republicans come out in support of McAuliffe.

The Establishment is going to pursue its agenda regardless. Destroying it is going to require more than allowing Democrats to be elected.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at January 22, 2016 11:06 AM (PFy0L)

221 Ace has lost it.

Posted by: deepelemblues at January 22, 2016 11:06 AM (MZgvM)

222 I agree with most of this. That's one reason why I was never too upset about Christine O'Donnell (we had little, if anything, to gain by electing Mike Castle). It was intended to serve a useful lesson to the Establishment, instead the lesson was that the elected Republicans, by and large, see their voters as the real danger to America - to be placated at best, and used until they can be disposed of.

Posted by: Boone at January 22, 2016 11:06 AM (vq6QR)

223

NRO wants a purge, they will get a coup

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:06 AM (zOTsN)

224 If Trump gets the nomination, the Dems are gonna savage him six ways from Sunday trying to win the general. He doesn't take well to the milder GOP attacks; he's going to be mad as a hornet after the Dem hot-wash.

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Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:06 AM (Nwg0u)

225 I plan to vote Trump, but I don't think National Review is out of line making the case against Trump.

If you take actual policy and ideology questions seriously, Trump is not a conventional conservative.

My problem is this is the only that matters anymore, the future of the country is not going to be decided on marginal tax rates and chained CPI wonkish nonsense, it's going to be demographics.

National Review is not the problem,some prominent writers on NR staff like Mark Kirkorian are bonafide border hawks and have been making this case forever .DC is the problem and I actually blame the big donors like the Koch Bros and Adelson for our open border policies that GOP leadership bows to.

Posted by: Carson at January 22, 2016 11:06 AM (nq/J2)

226 212 No You're not. I feel the same way so I'm an asshole too.
Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (/dSsq)

Mianus or Uranus?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 11:06 AM (zLP1L)

227 Although I've come to hate politics and I just despise reading the news now, the one good thing is that I'm liberated from splashing some ketchup on Sandwiches Made of Actual Shit and trying to sell them to people as tasty and healthful.

I'm feeling the same way, hence my turning my focus to sports and boob pics.

In America and in Europe, the political class has decided that We the People have failed them, and they shall replace us with mobs of third world immigrants who will take their handouts and keep the elite in power. When they commit violence, it's assumed that special security personnel will keep them consequence-free.

There's always SMOD, but it's not keeping up it's end either

Posted by: kbdabear at January 22, 2016 11:07 AM (MkYy4)

228 Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (IrByp)

I wish to subscribe to this newsletter.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 22, 2016 11:07 AM (znyNk)

229
NRO

Since they don't even seem fond of Rubio My guess is they are Jeb! or Kasich fans...

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:07 AM (/dSsq)

230 18 So voting for Trump fixes this? Shit.. I am trusting him less and less every day and I was totally on board at first. He keeps saying he knows how to make deals. Isn't this what got us here? Making deals with the democrats? It's always the repubs that get fucked in these so called "deals". Reaching across the aisle has only gotten our faces slapped. I just don't trust anyone anymore and I don't even know if I will vote. I'm just very depressed over it all.

We're already getting deals no matter what. Who's more likely to obtain favorable terms, Trump, or establishment hacks like McConnell and Ryan?

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at January 22, 2016 11:07 AM (Nj2wY)

231 National Review: Shut Up Or We'll Give You Something To Cry About

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:07 AM (Nwg0u)

232 Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:03 AM (jJRIy)

So....would you let a woman who owns property enter the voting booth?

Or should women not be allowed to own property?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 22, 2016 11:07 AM (Zu3d9)

233
I actually have to get to work.

Later kids. Hang in there.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 11:08 AM (zLP1L)

234 Welcome to the Trump train amigo

Posted by: Jihadi at January 22, 2016 11:08 AM (GGbIV)

235 Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (nFwvY)

You can't actually believe that. Cruz got on the Senate floor and called Mitch McConnell a liar. Cruz has faults, but unwillingness to pick a fight isn't one of them.

Posted by: Boone at January 22, 2016 11:08 AM (vq6QR)

236 In the end, there's only Kratos.

Posted by: Chaos at January 22, 2016 11:09 AM (evdj2)

237 Refresh my memory on how many times NRO has been correct in presidential choices recently.

I'll wait.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 22, 2016 11:09 AM (659DL)

238 eh, I just won't vote for Trunp ever.

Posted by: Gold Grande at January 22, 2016 11:09 AM (8i5PJ)

239 >>>Trump is not necessarily the answer. He's just the mirror of the rage that a good percentage of the nation is feeling.

This is why he is in the lead. What he actually will do as POTUS is still a very big question mark. And his past record does not fill me with strength and confidence.

But I'm an asshole somehow for pointing this out.

...

I don't think you're an asshole.

I think the assholes are the establishment who keep trying to claim it's other people who are the real problem.

The establishment MADE Trump.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 22, 2016 11:09 AM (dciA+)

240 Welcome to the LiB community, ace.

As I listen to Glenn Beck he is not saying what I think he means, that he cares too much to Let it Burn. If only the anti Trump crowd would actually make that argument. But the argument they do make just makes me want it to burn all the more.

Ted Cruz will save us all? Really? I like him, I like his speeches and his debates and the fact that the establishment dislikes him, but he is not going to break the mold.

Posted by: blaster at January 22, 2016 11:09 AM (2Ocf1)

241 I don't hate politics - I JUST WANT TO WIN!

AT LEAST ONE FUCKING THING!!!

GIVE ME ONE FUCKING THING!

I thought we at least won the IM/EX bank deal - BUT NO!

They wouldn't even have that one lousy victory!

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 11:09 AM (ahUUD)

242 NR shows no indication of supporting Cruz. They bash him second. If Trump didn't exist they'd be full out bashing Cruz. They can just barely tolerate Rubio (he was teaparty originally). David French has been very sensible.

Hell, most of them wrote articles siding against Cruz in the "NY Values" debacle. Their transplanted media feelings were hurt even when everyone else on the planet understood what Cruz meant.

Posted by: dagny

perfect. we have a perfect understanding. In my perfect world the rest of the candidates would drop out, support Cruz as would the RNC and NRO and the rest

but THEY do not want that. So I do not care too much about party unity with people who are fundamentally not about party unity either

maybe the party should die

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:09 AM (zOTsN)

243 ha, willie robertson just endorsed trump

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (9iYoJ)

244
Here's the "deal" I'd like to see. Every branch of the Federal Government will be dissolved, except for those regarding national security and law enforcement. I'm willing to entertain terms as to how quickly these agencies will be eliminated. Maximum 4 years.

Any counter offers?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (zLP1L)

245 172 then why didnt NRO back Cruz and tell the rest to get out last night

They don't like Cruz either.

I, dagny, want the intra-party horseshit to stop so we can defeat the far left.
NR is hoping to affect the primaries, it won't, in fact they just helped Trump. It was an idiot move. The Trump support is a reaction to the establishment which NR has decided to double down on being. So they just made a big "press release" move and that will consolidate and motivate the Trump support.

They SHOULD be writing articles on who is actually conservative and what that looks like in policy and encouraging the establishment to ball up. They're not.

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (JaVCz)

246 This post is stupid but at least it's honest. You're not about being for anything, you're not about accomplishing anything. You're for Trump because you want to throw a tantrum. It's just sad that you don't see that you're trying to sell your readers on another "shit sandwich" here, it's just for a different reason.

Posted by: tdubois at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (ZdjQ7)

247 >>>eh, I just won't vote for Trunp ever.

i get that completely.

Like I keep saying, my problem is that the establishment chooses to direct its scrutiny outward, rather than inward.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (dciA+)

248 Rich Lowry is such a smug, effeminate douchebag. Screw that guy in particular.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (2x3L+)

249 LiFB

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (evdj2)

250 ACE, really got to hand it to you. you say EXACTLY what I am feeling about the establishment. THANKS.

Posted by: subhuman taxpayer at January 22, 2016 11:11 AM (UXPjy)

251 You're for Trump because you want to throw a tantrum.

Actually, he's for Cruz. And welcome, newcomer.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 11:11 AM (evdj2)

252 "to be placated at best, and used until they can be disposed of. "

And the disposal process is well enough along that it is becoming obvious to more and more people every day.

Sign me up for the AtC newsletter too !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (erRNA)

253 235 Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (nFwvY)

You can't actually believe that. Cruz got on the Senate floor and called Mitch McConnell a liar. Cruz has faults, but unwillingness to pick a fight isn't one of them.

Posted by: Boone

cruz would propose a wall or deportation? cruz would ask for a halt to muslim immigration? please. being a dick is easy. trump does it too. but trump changed the whole conversation.

Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (nFwvY)

254 Go ahead. You have fun with that. But me? Yeah, je refuse.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (IrByp)

Apr�s l'imp�ratrice, le rejet de masse

Posted by: kbdabear at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (MkYy4)

255 Go to any Acela corridor train station. Go to the news stand. You'd've found National Review racked right next to The New Republic. Get a Sports Illustrated instead.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (DL2i+)

256 Move over SMOD and let Sweet Blizzard of Death (SBOD) give it a shot.

Posted by: SBOD at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (3b9U4)

257 Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (dciA+)

Don't know if you're sockpuppeting but Trump holds 0 of my beliefs and is a giant liar. He'll get smashed in the general and I'll be glad for it. I can't vote for him, ever.

Posted by: Gold Grande at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (8i5PJ)

258 Its funny I agree with what NRO said about Trump. However, they've been backing the GOPe for so long, who cares?
There was to much acceptance of "We have to make a bad deal now, for a chance at a better deal later" going on over there.
NRO doesn't get that we're desperate for a win. Any win against the elites. Its why I like Cruz. Its why many people like Trump. They hate being treated like subjects by people who are supposed to be our servants!

Posted by: Iblis at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (9221z)

259 Any counter offers?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (zLP1L)

Yes.

I'll take two years. But Energy, Education go immediately.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (Zu3d9)

260 I'm enjoying the rash of reports on how "X candidate won IA/NH/SC/etc., but did not go on to win the nomination."

But when it was the Establishment's preferred candidate, it was all "X candidate won IA/NH/SC/etc., and that is the momentum they needed to win the nomination."

I'm also enjoying the regular reports on Trump's high unfavorable ratings. Especially how they all ignore the Hillary negatives. And the Obama negatives.

Trump thrives on the leftists hating him--every time they've gone after him, his polling rises. I want them to hate him.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (fQ/0p)

261 Nothing wins people over to your side faster than accusing them of having a temper tantrum.It's science.

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 11:13 AM (8HTq1)

262

So the answer to Trump's in-your-face is for the NRO to get in the voter's faces.

It's like a circular firing squad.

They can publish and say what they want, but they are attacking the rest of us personally.

More division within the party.

I suspect some of the entries in the issue are not as inflammatory - tbh, I haven't read it, so I don't know. But to have the bloggers from NRO coming out and attacking us is bizarre to say the least.

We should have this election in the bag, just like the last one, and here is an example of why the GOP never wins.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:13 AM (qCMvj)

263 Ted Cruz will save us all? Really?
Posted by: blaster at January 22, 2016 11:09 AM (2Ocf1)

But Donald Trump will? Good fucking grief. At this point the only thing that will save the country is Article V, but by all means keep telling me how a reality star is the answer.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 22, 2016 11:13 AM (UnJ7w)

264 This post is stupid but at least it's honest. You're not about being for anything, you're not about accomplishing anything. You're for Trump because you want to throw a tantrum. It's just sad that you don't see that you're trying to sell your readers on another "shit sandwich" here, it's just for a different reason.

Posted by: tdubois

its adorable that you care so much about us readers

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:13 AM (zOTsN)

265 The problem with hating on the 'establishment' is that there is not an objective definition. The label is applied haphazardly depending on who has disagreed with you most recently. Former conservative star Trey Gowdy is now part of the establishment since he has endorsed Rubio, former tea party favorite. Cheney went from being a well liked moderate by the Democrats to being Darth Cheney. It's ridiculous.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 22, 2016 11:14 AM (khWYc)

266
My best hope for America at this point is for paul ryan to lose his primary.

Just that would make my political year.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2016 11:14 AM (ODxAs)

267 ..231 National Review: Shut Up Or We'll Give You Something To Cry About

Perfect! LOL

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 22, 2016 11:14 AM (t5zYU)

268 >>> You're for Trump because you want to throw a tantrum.
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Ace isn't for Trump. I dont think he likes anyone.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 11:14 AM (2x3L+)

269 "256 Move over SMOD and let Sweet Blizzard of Death (SBOD) give it a shot.
Posted by: SBOD at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (3b9U4)"

Yeah, you want temporary localized effects, vote SBOD. You want PERMANENT GLOBAL effects, vote SMOD! Accept no subsitutes!

Posted by: SMOD 2016 at January 22, 2016 11:15 AM (9221z)

270 Alex... bravo!!! I'm jumping up and down right now!! Well said my dear.. well said.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 22, 2016 11:15 AM (l/N7H)

271 If Trump gets the nomination, the Dems are gonna savage him six ways from Sunday trying to win the general. He doesn't take well to the milder GOP attacks; he's going to be mad as a hornet after the Dem hot-wash.

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First off.... Dems are gonna savage whoever is the nom. Ask John McCain.

Secondly. "he doesnt do well.."???? Perhaps you missed the part where he made a total fool of Mrs Clinton and totally shut up BJ Clinton on her favorite topic..... Champion of Womens Rights.

As a matter of fact.... he just might have singlehandedly started the erosion of support over that topic that just might cost her her parties nomination.... if she doesnt go to jail first.

Its OK if you arent supporting Trump. Lets not get delusional though and just start making shit up to justify it.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 11:15 AM (8XRCm)

272 Matt, comment 48. I just saluted your post and stood up and clapped in my room alone.

I seriously don't get it. People are fucking deranged. Actual conservatives aren't conservative because they aren't supporting the non conservative pretend conservative, apparently. It's the Obama phenomenon. The yang to his yin. The more you make a logical argument against it the more they dig in. It's a god damned religion.

Fuck me with a rake.

Posted by: VBJonny at January 22, 2016 11:16 AM (NX9H4)

273 Common Core is so totally Conservstive and a good reason to get behind Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 11:01 AM (ahUUD)

Yep. And any man who would award a medal to Hillary Clinton is deserving of the consideration of every true conservative.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 22, 2016 11:16 AM (sl+zA)

274 If NR really wanted to make Trump "go away" they shouldn't have written this. All it did was make people angrier and more drawn to Trump..... Can You say Backfire?

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:16 AM (/dSsq)

275 " You're not about being for anything, you're not about accomplishing anything."

Not speaking for anyone else, but, I AM DEFINITELY for accomplishing something.....knocking the GOPe off its foundation and into the creek.

They have lied, consorted, condescended, and, and abused their base so badly I'll never trust them again. I want them gone.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 22, 2016 11:16 AM (LA7Cm)

276 Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (zUlgQ)

BAZINGA!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 22, 2016 11:16 AM (Xo1Rt)

277 cruz would propose a wall or deportation? cruz would ask for a halt to muslim immigration? please.
Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (nFwvY)

Yet you think the guy that was not in favor of all of that that has now flip flopped will? I guess if you say something loud enough people will believe you.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 22, 2016 11:16 AM (UnJ7w)

278 I just changed from Republican to No Party last month. I just couldn't do it anymore.

Posted by: Cornfed at January 22, 2016 11:16 AM (5bMX2)

279 Thanks for getting on the winning team, Mr. Ace!

We'll just drop some campaign literature in the mail, if you'll be so kind as to post your real name and address.

Don't be concerned about the ball bearings surrounding the 'literature'; it's just to protect the important information inside!

Welcome to the team!

Posted by: Hillary! 2016!! at January 22, 2016 11:17 AM (DLu2s)

280 I haven't commented here in ages, but I am pretty sure that Beck, one of
the 21 in NR's piece, is actually stumping with Cruz tomorrow in
Iowa...

Also, I get the Trump fever response due to all of the
anger (I am angry too), but I don't trust him at all, and to me, he is
the same narcissistic, thin skinned ego maniac that the current
inhabitant of the White House is. He lashes out like a stuck pig at the person who is closest in the polls (first Carson, now Cruz). Also, I would love someone to "Make America Great Again", but HOW? Does he ever tell us how? I have seen him interviewed non-stop, and he speaks in catch phrases with little to no plans. What will he do? I guess I don't understand why die hard Trump supporters don't require him to give them this info, and why his juvenile responses to any type of challenge are celebrated.

Posted by: DJ at January 22, 2016 11:17 AM (+2t20)

281 I'm tired of the "Trump making deals" attacks.

The GOP has spent the last 30 years making deals with the Dems that are 90:10 in the Dems' favour; 50:50 (or more likely 60:40 in Trump's populist favour) sounds like an improvement to me.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 22, 2016 11:17 AM (DLIIY)

282 The GOP must die before an actual opposition party can arise.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 11:17 AM (evdj2)

283 The Beck / NRO wing of the GOP are melting down all over Twitter and it's glorious. They thought we'd see them as saviors.
===========
They're whining louder than a thousand jet engines, "Why won't you listen to us??!!"

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 11:17 AM (fQ/0p)

284 Any counter offers?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (zLP1L)

Yes.

I'll take two years. But Energy, Education go immediately.

By 3:00 pm on January 20th, 2017.
"If your department is not in the Constitution, you are out".
-President Pen & Phone Trump

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:17 AM (gvGwC)

285 Circular firing squad!

WTH are you guys THINKING??

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:18 AM (VrQW9)

286 The way I feel about the candidates is this:

I would like Cruz to be the nominee because I think he'd at least try to fix things.

I wouldn't mind Trump because I hope he would try to fix things.

Subtle but significant differences that I can't really say anywhere else on social media for fear of being butt raped by both sides of the argument.

*I'll probably get butt raped here, but at least you guys will make it seem like it's all in good fun - right?

Guys...

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Ahad Ha'am) at January 22, 2016 11:18 AM (BZAd3)

287 Welcome to the team!

Posted by: Hillary! 2016!! at January 22, 2016 11:17 AM (DLu2s)

The Fire-next-time appeal isn't working this cycle.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 11:18 AM (evdj2)

288 dammit

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 11:18 AM (evdj2)

289
You're for Trump because you want to throw a tantrum.

Peter Jennings, is that you?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2016 11:18 AM (X6fMO)

290 double dammit

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 11:18 AM (evdj2)

291 I'm thinking NRO was hoping one of the GOPe candidates would've been in a better position. So they muttered about Trump, but kept quiet. Now that its between Trump or *gasp* Ted Cruz, they've got to do something.

Posted by: Iblis at January 22, 2016 11:18 AM (9221z)

292 I will vote for the CON-servitve GOPe approved candidate once they show me a single lasting victory for "CONSERVSTISM" they have achieved over the last 30+ years.

By my recomming its limited to a single SCOTUS Justice, which we had to fight tooth and nail to get by the way.

So what say you CON-servatives?

Posted by: Kreplach at January 22, 2016 11:19 AM (ahUUD)

293 I have nothing against compromising with Democrats.

It's just that for the most part, the Republicans idea of compromise is to give them everything they want and more.

They never fight they never stand and say no.

They even telegraph ahead of negotiations that they're going to give it all up.

Who negotiates or plays poker like that?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 22, 2016 11:06 AM (Xo1Rt)

I was whinging at Bander last night about how I feel like I'm being forced into the position that I am against all compromise. I'm not.

This is a nation of 300+ million people. We have to figure out how to live together with, hopefully, the least amount of rancor possible. We don't all agree. Hell, I don't always agree with me. So, yeah, compromise is A Thing that needs must happen.

But, you know, compromise means sometimes I get what I want too. Otherwise it's just capitulation.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 11:19 AM (IrByp)

294 This post is stupid but at least it's honest. You're not about being for anything, you're not about accomplishing anything. You're for Trump because you want to throw a tantrum. It's just sad that you don't see that you're trying to sell your readers on another "shit sandwich" here, it's just for a different reason.

Posted by: tdubois

its adorable that you care so much about us readers
Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:13 AM (zOTsN)

This reads like someone who never reads Ace.

I just cruised past it, and tagged it ignorant.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:19 AM (qCMvj)

295 Yet you think the guy that was not in favor of all of that that has now flip flopped will? I guess if you say something loud enough people will believe you.
Posted by: Arson Wells

in case you haven't noticed, it's on the table for a change. that isn't just happenstance

Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 11:19 AM (nFwvY)

296 290 The barrel is not nearly as bad in the winter.

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 11:19 AM (8HTq1)

297 Look Trump would never be My first choice. I liked Walker. That being said I would vote for Him.... He does scare Me but not as much as Hillary!.... I know I said I'd "let it burn" but I think I'll wait and see. To be honest the only ones I won't vote for is Jeb! Or Kasich....

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:20 AM (/dSsq)

298 Actually, he's for Cruz. And welcome, newcomer.
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We are going to need WAY more chairs at the newcomers table, can someone go get some from the storage closet? Also nametags, we are fresh out. I'll put more coffee on while you get them settled in....

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at January 22, 2016 11:20 AM (kXzR8)

299 I'm letting The Weekly Standard online only subscription expire. They're RINOs too. The few great articles they have aren't worth the $39.99 year for the rest of the BS Kristol & Barnes write.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 11:20 AM (sj3Ax)

300 Trump will betray his most fervent supporters in a way that will make their disappointment with GOPe, Mittens, assorted Bushes et.al., seem minor in compare.

Think, Supreme Court Justice Donkey Punch.

Trump is a con man. There is no evidence for anything else.

Posted by: Joe at January 22, 2016 11:20 AM (p8RIP)

301 What time does the AoSHQ Concern Desk open?

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at January 22, 2016 11:20 AM (g9W8o)

302 Welcome to the team!
Posted by: Hillary! 2016!! at January 22, 2016 11:17 AM (DLu2s)
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I thought you dropped off the last of your campaign literature with the anti-Cruz brigade members who've said they'd vote D over Cruz if he's the nominee.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 22, 2016 11:20 AM (t5zYU)

303 SMOD always promises, but never delivers. SMOD is like GOPe in many ways. SBOD will be YUGGGEE!

Posted by: SBOD at January 22, 2016 11:20 AM (3b9U4)

304 Trump is a LIFE LONG liberal.

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (VrQW9)

305 Trump is not a conservative and is not going to do conservative things.
The establishment is not conservative and is not going to do conservative things.

Moving from the establishment to Trump will accomplish squat.

What has Trump brought us, an intra-party war which will elect another prog POS.

Great, the stupid party manages to throw an election to the worst democrats and the most easily beatable ever.

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (JaVCz)

306 "And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily."

I grew up in Indianapolis, which for all my youth was a Republican playground. They finally reached the point where the Republican hold was considered so strong that they quit trying to hide the corruption and back room deals. They were building many private facilities with public money, and turning the completed facilities to the "owners" while taking bribes from them. In full public view. It was a bit like Dear Leader's regime with the attitude "What are you going to do about it?"

This reached a head long after I left, and the voters turned the whole city Democrat for a cycle or two, just to show them that Indy wasn't a machine town. It was more than a bit of a shock (even to the voters I think), but things like that are needed to cleanse the body politic. Too much or too long in power corrupts everyone.

Ace is right, it's time to flip the field on everyone in this system and clean house, locally and nationally.

Posted by: Advo at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (7hUS8)

307 The barrel is not nearly as bad in the winter.>>>

Just like an Outhouse. The smell is less but you'll get frostbite on yer ass.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (XtAzU)

308 Can we start saying, "Let it bern?"

Posted by: Oschisms at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (ZsN9X)

309 Pro Tip for the newbs: You are supposed to preface your comment with something along the lines of "First time caller, long time lurker..."

Then shut up and take the answers "off the air".

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (NeFrd)

310 That burrito the establishment fed me isn't setting well, right now.

*bubble*

Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (UzPAd)

311 175 Really? I bet all Asians look alike to you too.
And there was no space between Franklin and Milton Freidman.
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Ummm...What's the first name listed on this NRO abomination?

Posted by: Steven at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (c8hIP)

312 well it looks like the GOPe is making their peace with Trump, I hope Cruz wins and is able to mortally wound the establishment. plan B is they settle for Trump to stop Cruz and he pays them back by getting elected then eating them. Sort of like what the fascists did to the corporate interests that helped them to power.

Posted by: Iron Wombat at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (SYgVN)

313
And there I was. A long time AoSHQ commentator, bona fide conservative..... trying to make The Case for Jeb.... when they all turned and attacked me.

Posted by: Brian Wiliams at January 22, 2016 11:22 AM (8XRCm)

314 Repent! The truth will set you free.

Posted by: NumberTwo at January 22, 2016 11:22 AM (RLc9s)

315 Oh a scarier note, did You all see the picture of Hillary! on Drudge? It's the stuff nightmares are made of...

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:22 AM (/dSsq)

316 If Trump wins the nomination, I'll vote for Trump. If Cruz wins the nomination, I'll vote for Cruz. If Jeb, Rubio etc. win the nomination, I'll buy a bottle.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:22 AM (Nwg0u)

317 This is a nation of 300+ million people. We have to figure out how to live together with, hopefully, the least amount of rancor possible. We don't all agree. Hell, I don't always agree with me. So, yeah, compromise is A Thing that needs must happen.

But, you know, compromise means sometimes I get what I want too. Otherwise it's just capitulation.

GOPe 10/90 Dems

Businessman Trump 80/20 Competitors

Hard choices. Who to pick?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:22 AM (gvGwC)

318 305 Trump is not a conservative and is not going to do conservative things.
The establishment is not conservative and is not going to do conservative things.

Moving from the establishment to Trump will accomplish squat.

What has Trump brought us, an intra-party war which will elect another prog POS.

Great, the stupid party manages to throw an election to the worst democrats and the most easily beatable ever.
Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (JaVCz)

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You said it all. I'm done posting on this subject, thank you very much dagny.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 22, 2016 11:23 AM (UnJ7w)

319 Well stated, Ace.

This goes back quite a few years for many of us, and it does feel liberating to not have to adhere to the company line. I also appreciate not having to question my own good judgement when it comes to any number of topics, just to try to wedge my stated opinions into some as-near-as-possible alignment with the Republican Party.

Die, Gope, die. That is all.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 22, 2016 11:23 AM (TOk1P)

320 >>>>And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily.

This assumes that they actually are capable of feeling chastised or humbled. They were crushed in 2006 and 2008 and never truly sought to understand why. The fact is that while they would prefer to hold titular power in order to dole out the goodies to their pals, they are perfectly fine having the Democrats in charge because it means they don't have to actually do anything. What they will not tolerate is not being in the game at all, which is why they came down hard on the Tea Party in 2014 and why they despise Cruz and Trump.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 22, 2016 11:23 AM (JxMoP)

321 Of course, the Establishment can never really be destroyed. It is a "group dynamic." Try destroying the "Cool kids" from the high school scene. Notgonnahappen. You can disrupt their power a bit by voting in Joe Dirt as Student Council President, but he'll be a one-termer for sure. Cool kids, like cream, must rise to the top.

That said, I agree with Ace. It's time to elect Joe Dirt. Let's not waste our time with Joe Math Club Pres.

Joe Dirt, he's our man.
If he can't do it,
Nobody can.

Posted by: Science at January 22, 2016 11:23 AM (Uq9ly)

322 Like they said in the vid... NR just GAVE teh Donald a Yuge ad. They drew a red-line FOR him. What the hell, are they that insular? Obviously yes.

The free advertising that NR just gave to Trump... AND they identified him as the enemy of all that is true and awesome of the Romney/McCain/Dole/McConnell/Boehner GOP. Nice job guys.

Posted by: Yip & 2 Corinthians at January 22, 2016 11:23 AM (e7T6D)

323 Again and again, I've asked, "Name one conservative policy victory the national Republican Party has delivered in the last 10 years."

You can't.

We are at the point today where it has been over 10--maybe even 20--years since a Republican candidate for the Presidency has run on results; policy victories the party has delivered.

Every fucking one of them has nothing but a stack of empty promises they're running on.

Think about that. They don't have a single fucking policy result they can run on.

Not. One. Fucking. Thing.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 11:23 AM (fQ/0p)

324 215
2. Let women vote

At least Nip's still a bigot.

Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (zUlgQ)

I don't know how that is bigoted. I don't want ANY women, Black, White, or Green to vote.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (jJRIy)

325 NRO is like mom and dad, who have been swinging and having a threesome with Charles Manson, telling us kids to calm the fuck down and try the veal

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (9iYoJ)

326 Well I for one applaud Mr ACE finally comming to his senses and stopp0ing listening to FAux NEWS and that pillhead Rush Limburgher and and getting on the correct side for once to make our wonderful Hillary1! President for equality and to continue the great work done by Presidnt OBama to this great liberal country of ours!

All of us at the Brattleboro Reproductive Rights for Womyn Center stand and applaud as you build socialism!

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein of Brattleboro, Vermont at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (DLu2s)

327 I have no illusions about Trump. My only hope is that he would address the country's problems from a 'business' perspective as opposed to a political one.

Do I think he'd actually do that?

60-40 against. (But that is way better than any of the GOPe candidates (who will, if selected probably keep me from voting))

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Ahad Ha'am) at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (BZAd3)

328 artisanal 'ette,
Thank you for link to Jack Welch.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (sj3Ax)

329 ~~Trump~~ GOPe is a con man. There is no evidence for anything else.

Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (gvGwC)

330 Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:22 AM (Nwg0u)

Just vote against the far left prog tool that gets the DNC nomination.

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (JaVCz)

331
Nothing wins people over to your side faster than accusing them of having a temper tantrum.
Posted by: steevy

"I know you're upset Honey, but you're so cute when you're mad!"

Never fails to calm things down.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (kdS6q)

332 Oh a scarier note, did You all see the picture of Hillary! on Drudge? It's the stuff nightmares are made of...

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Brains! Brains! Must eat brains!

- Zombie Hillary!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (Nwg0u)

333 I just cruised past it, and tagged it ignorant.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:19 AM (qCMvj)

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Hey!!! These aint our guys.

Go take it up with Rove.

Posted by: Axelrods Minions at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (8XRCm)

334 With this post, Ace has captured the zeitgeist of his readers; some of us at least.

It killed me to see Thomas Sowell in there. (The NRO position pamphlet)

Intellectually Sowell would be there. But the intellectual arguments aren't working this year.

Posted by: Wonderful Chun at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (ePB9l)

335 Tell me again how this hurts Trump? Will this not HELP some more
Democrats see that Trump really isn't GOP and it's ok to not only vote
for him, but encourage others to also? ie, its ok, he's not one of them..

Posted by: Yip & 2 Corinthians at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (e7T6D)

336 Ace, if you have any class you'll send this to Jeff Goldstein along with something of an apology.

Posted by: ThomasD at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (6m6SU)

337 Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quench Your Fires with Ice Scream at the Outrage Outlet! at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (hLRSq)

338 Trump is a LIFE LONG liberal.
Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (VrQW9)

he says he voted for both Bush years, McCain and Romney

is he lying?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (qCMvj)

339 The question is moot.

Posted by: $18,945,617,714,496.29 at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (evdj2)

340 Man, can you imagine if the "conservative" intelligentsia had ever consolidated and mobilized itself against Obama like they have against Trump?

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (s/yC1)

341 In the Trump article last night NRO referred to "outer borough" accents when talking about Trump and Sanders.

Way to show that elitism.

If they're saying that about someone from Queens, you can imagine what they're saying about the dumb hicks out in flyover country.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (4ErVI)

342 Wow, I really agree with what "Science" said up there a bit. Spot on! Go, Science.

(tee hee ... Science was me with a sock puppet I forgot to take off ... tee hee hee)

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (Uq9ly)

343 @194

I agree with your choices, that is exactly where I am.

Agreeing with Bill Clinton, what has the world come to?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (jJRIy)

344 305 Trump is not a conservative and is not going to do conservative things.

The establishment is not conservative and is not going to do conservative things.

Moving from the establishment to Trump will accomplish squat.

What has Trump brought us, an intra-party war which will elect another prog POS.

Great, the stupid party manages to throw an election to the worst democrats and the most easily beatable ever.

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (JaVCz)

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You said it all. I'm done posting on this subject, thank you very much dagny.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 22, 2016 11:23 AM (UnJ7w)

Just accept then, you are on the opposite side of this from many of us. You don't want an intra-party war? Here's what you haven't yet wrapped your head around. This is NOT an intra-party war. We reject your party.

Deal with it.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (TOk1P)

345 Trump isn't so much a conservative, but a nationalist. Which frankly I am completely fine with. I've been going along with Conservative Inc, which has given us the Neo-Con Invade the World/Invite the World policies. Open Borders in the name of free trade etc.

No thanks to that brand of progressivism anymore.

Posted by: other_joe_mama at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (845LT)

346

Cleanup 337

Wood Shampoo at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (XzRw1)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (qCMvj)

347 They were warned, now this is what they get.

Reaping, sowing, all that.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (sPO/s)

348 Real Conservatives own mexican slaves.

Posted by: PorkMan at January 22, 2016 11:26 AM (KuIuk)

349 My best hope for America at this point is for paul ryan to lose his primary.

Just that would make my political year.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk

THIS ^^^^^

Posted by: Yip & 2 Corinthians at January 22, 2016 11:26 AM (e7T6D)

350 Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 22, 2016 11:10 AM (dciA+)

Don't know if you're sockpuppeting...

*****

Nope, ex-president William Jefferson Clinton is a regular commenter here at AOSHQ. Cardboard membership since '08.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 22, 2016 11:26 AM (NeFrd)

351 If Trump wins the nomination, I'll vote for Trump.
If Cruz wins the nomination, I'll vote for Cruz. If Jeb, Rubio etc. win
the nomination, I'll buy a bottle.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:22 AM (Nwg0u)

There ya go.

Me too.

I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. But I will try to excise that big melanoma on my upper lip.

But I'm certainly not going to do that by allowing a face eating crab to have at it.

*Too obscure?*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 22, 2016 11:26 AM (Xo1Rt)

352 I don't have the NR history going back to Buckley some of you have ... but it seems they leared toward establishment. Derbyshire, Francis, Hanson, Buchanon ... those guys kept writing at vdare.com. These are smart conservatives that largely got shoved aside with the new improved NR, along with all the PC crap labeling traditional guys as haters and racists, which was very effective (so we got diversity hire commie Obama). Paul Craig Roberts also wrote there but left. To me, he kinda went over the edge, as his zero hedge post here the other day indicates, though there is probably some truth in much of that even. We are in some sort of third level of hell for sure.

Buchanan has a post there now about that piece on Francis predicting a guy like Trump back in 1995. Coulter has a piece up there too, with a video of Trump in 1988, where he keeps praising Quayle, and sounds like a solid conservative.

I'm still trying to catch up on all the history, going back to early Buckley, the New Deal, etc. ... but it sure seems the communist influence has taken its toll, and those old guys "kept the faith" at vdare. Worth a look.

Posted by: Illiniwek at January 22, 2016 11:26 AM (5Gpe2)

353 Is this the right HQ?
*checks entry door*

Ace posting well before noon, I barely recognize 10% of the names here...
Is it because of the snow?

Posted by: Chi at January 22, 2016 11:26 AM (I7I0v)

354

its all so wildly dishonest and obviously manipulative

they should get whats coming, good and hard

me? I'm bracing for impact

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:26 AM (zOTsN)

355 324 215
2. Let women vote

At least Nip's still a bigot.

Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at January 22, 2016 11:05 AM (zUlgQ)

I don't know how that is bigoted. I don't want ANY women, Black, White, or Green to vote.

Vote ladies! Or Romney will take away your tampons!

Y'all really want to defend that? Srsly?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (gvGwC)

356 "NRO referred to 'outer borough' accents"

oh, spare us

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (9iYoJ)

357 Many exciting new nics this morning. Whence cometh the flow?

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (vgIRn)

358 It's a pretty sad day when Joy Reid of MSNBC makes more sense to me than National Review.

This.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (cFxp4)

359 As it says in my favorite bible verse from Letusforus chapter 2 verse 33 subsection.3 , there will be a blond headed savior who cometh to increase the bounty and stuff and it will be fantastic.

I'm not saying it's referring to me but let's just say I believe you can't interpret any other way.

Posted by: Trump at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (khWYc)

360 56 So.....F#$% you, WAR!?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 10:45 AM (NOIQH)

That's right, farg you bastiges, this is a fargin' war!

Posted by: Ice of Spades at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (bP5HK)

361 "341 In the Trump article last night NRO referred to "outer borough" accents when talking about Trump and Sanders"

These guys just don't like accents, I take it. Palin's "accent" was a big deal to that crowd in 2008.

Me, I like diversity. I actually liked the Kennedy Bahston accent, or at least the Simpsons version of it.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (Uq9ly)

362
The thing that gets me about the NR "Trump is de boogeyman" issue is, these "elite" type conservative columnists are supposed to be smart and perceptive. Did ANY of them stop to think that a wall-to-wall anti-Trump issue just MIGHT not be a good idea? Because it isn't.

Hell, I'm a Cruz guy, and an ill-educated, cousin-humping blue-collar unperson from Jesusland and even I could see that the wall-to-wall issue was a fucking stupid idea.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (j4wsR)

363 I'm watching Welch clip now.
He's right!

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (sj3Ax)

364 Yes, I'd rather have Cruz. I'd probably even rather have Rubio, truth be told.

But the GOPe needs to understand that the natural outcome of their failure to constrain the filthy racist autocrat in the White House is not a conservative, it's a Cromwell.

It's a Napoleon.

It's a man on horseback who at least offers the promise of cleaning out the legislative chambers at bayonet point.

Now, I'm personally inclined to think Trump is too Schwarzeneggerish to ever do that, that he'll deal with McConnell and cave in to the Democrats three weeks a month when what we really want to see is Reid and Turtle fleeing before the sabre.

But apparently he's saying the right things to convince a lot of people otherwise.

Posted by: JEM at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (o+SC1)

365 This is NOT an intra-party war. We reject your party.

Deal with it.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (TOk1P)

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Dear GOPe.

We're going to take YOUR ball and go to a new home.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (8XRCm)

366 Just vote against the far left prog tool that gets the DNC nomination.

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (JaVCz)

No

Posted by: BurtTC at January 22, 2016 11:27 AM (TOk1P)

367 329. Let's stipulate that BOTH Trump and GOPe are con men.

So, doesn't it make sense to go with Ted, the guy both con men are against ?

Posted by: Joe at January 22, 2016 11:28 AM (p8RIP)

368 "Moving from the establishment to Trump will accomplish squat."

We don't know that. in fact, it at least appears as if we'll accomplish a wall (unless you feel Trump is simply lying like everybody else on the right has lied to us about everything).

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2016 11:28 AM (s/yC1)

369 >>Pro Tip for the newbs: You are supposed to preface your comment with
something along the lines of "First time caller, long time lurker..."

Heh. Also helps to drop a few person facts to back up your conservative cred, like that you served in the military for several decades, you're a life-long Christian, or voted for Reagan.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 11:28 AM (NOIQH)

370 So East Coast morons. I guess we should all post BEFORE the power goes out?

Two inches in Charlotte and all hell has broken loose. Stupid.

Even the Post Office closed.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:28 AM (jJRIy)

371

Dagny its nice to read you again

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:28 AM (zOTsN)

372 NR just GAVE teh Donald a Yuge ad.

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I might think NR were engaging in a secret double reverse pro-Trump mind fvck except National Review.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:28 AM (Nwg0u)

373 Well regardless of who Ace does/doesn't vote for
Realistically the Dems are probably going to win thecWhite House
So basically the choice is to vote and Lise, or, not vote and lose.

Posted by: Bubba at January 22, 2016 11:28 AM (E2ZuB)

374 artisanal 'ette,
Thank you for link to Jack Welch.
Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 11:24 AM (sj3Ax)

/nod

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:28 AM (qCMvj)

375
NR just GAVE teh Donald a Yuge ad. They drew a red-line FOR him. What the hell, are they that insular? Obviously yes.
Posted by: Yip

And this weekend was Cruz's last chance to try and squeak over the line ahead of Trump in Iowa, hence his big upcoming Beck rally, and NR just sucked all the air out of the room. It will be nothing but Trump this weekend.

Probably just gave him a double digit victory in Iowa.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2016 11:28 AM (kdS6q)

376 Is this the right HQ?
*checks entry door*

Ace posting well before noon, I barely recognize 10% of the names here...
Is it because of the snow?

Only ones to make it in today.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:29 AM (gvGwC)

377 Cleanup 337

Wood Shampoo at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (XzRw1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (qCMvj)

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Relax. He's a self cleaning model.... ;-)

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 11:29 AM (8XRCm)

378 Oh, a fourth thing we have done to the original constitution.

The 16th amendment, income tax.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:29 AM (jJRIy)

379 Heh. Also helps to drop a few person facts to back up your conservative cred, like that you served in the military for several decades, you're a life-long Christian, or voted for Reagan.

Posted by: Lizzy

pictures of pretty ladies are a nice hostess gift for the horde

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:29 AM (zOTsN)

380 How many of you people have read The Art of the Deal??

Trump has been pushing for a wall and border security for decades.

If we get half of what Trump is offering this country will be in fantastic shape. Just half.

Everyone in the field didn't even offer it to us. it was the same old shit sandwich. Cruz is hated by everyone. What, you trust him on judges? He's the guy who pushed for Roberts!!!

Point is, unless you're going to rule by executive orders, Cruz would be a disaster. And he has no chance in the general election. No chance.

Trump is the last hope for America, or we will be ruined forever by 3rd world flood of immigration.

Posted by: prescient12 at January 22, 2016 11:30 AM (7QkL1)

381 I was whinging at Bander last night about how I feel like I'm being forced into the position that I am against all compromise. I'm not.
...
Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches

I am always honored to be whinged at my darling.

However, I haven't smoked in six months and I really want a cigarette after that rant of yours, so I may be whinging back.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 22, 2016 11:30 AM (1xUj/)

382 "I think I've said it once today, but they were over when they purged Mark Steyn for the crime of quoting Bob Hope."

Agreed, I love Mark Steyn. The guy's a genius. Now that's one Canadian I could vote for.

They also threw Derbyshire under the bus for speaking about racism against whites.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 11:30 AM (LC/ka)

383 That burrito the establishment fed me isn't setting well, right now.

*bubble*
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (UzPAd)

STOP IT WITH THE TAUNTING!

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 11:30 AM (IrByp)

384 Even the Post Office closed.>>>

Wait WTF happened to.

"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds"

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 22, 2016 11:30 AM (XtAzU)

385 Trump is a LIFE LONG liberal.

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:21 AM (VrQW9)

You may have missed this, but people are pretty upset and don't care about that fact. Support for the conservative has gotten jack squat, and a social liberal isn't going to make things much worse, so why not try something we haven't had in a while.

Let's try a nationalist.

Wrap your mind around that, Zeno. Try listening a little bit and not lecturing. You may be able to find a way out for conservatives.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quench Your Fires with Ice Scream at the Outrage Outlet! at January 22, 2016 11:30 AM (hLRSq)

386 Yeah, if you keep up with NR, they are pretty clearly the National Reviubio.

Posted by: Boone at January 22, 2016 11:31 AM (vq6QR)

387 Now, I'm personally inclined to think Trump is too Schwarzeneggerish to ever do that, that he'll deal with McConnell and cave in to the Democrats three weeks a month when what we really want to see is Reid and Turtle fleeing before the sabre.

Become a billionaire by losing deals.
Can anyone do that?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:31 AM (gvGwC)

388 NRO is just trying to band-wagon on the whole "let's circle the wagons and present a united front against this distasteful, gauche affront to established good people and civility"

who have been screwing the USA over for decades

I'll pass, thanks

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:31 AM (9iYoJ)

389

new flow from NRO

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:31 AM (zOTsN)

390 It may be that we've crossed some strange line of paradox now so that every attack against Trump by the elitist Right strengthens him. That's just so rich.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2016 11:31 AM (s/yC1)

391 The Chastisement of the GOP

It sounds biblical.

"The LORD said to the sons of Israel, "Did I not deliver you from the Egyptians, the Amorites, the sons of Ammon, and the Philistines? "Also when the Sidonians, the Amalekites and the Maonites oppressed you, you cried out to Me, and I delivered you from their hands. "Yet you have forsaken Me and served other gods; therefore I will no longer deliver you. "Go and cry out to the gods which you have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your distress."

The base gave them the House
The base gave them the Senate
and they chose to serve the donor class and the CoC.

Posted by: McCool at January 22, 2016 11:31 AM (nCSwS)

392 >>Nothing wins people over to your side faster than accusing them of having a temper tantrum.It's science.

But that's exactly what Trump is, a temper tantrum. He's the bad boy your 16 year old daughter brings home just to piss you off.

Cruz, not my favorite personally but the one remaining for me to support, is a perfectly acceptable conservative candidate. If conservatives really want what I have been hearing for years, a true full spectrum conservative, they have it in Cruz.

And yet, Trump.

Personally, I don't give a shit what NRO or anyone else thinks. But pretending Trump is anything other than a primal scream by a pissed off electorate is silly.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2016 11:31 AM (Hxh2/)

393 *Too obscure?*
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That

Nah, man. We're good ...

Posted by: Jude at January 22, 2016 11:32 AM (AoK0a)

394 When you don't give me your unconditional loyalty, that's why we fail and you make us hurt you like that.

Now go fix us a cocktail and a sandwich, and put on that hot lingerie I so thoughtfully bought for you.

Posted by: The GOP who truly loves you at January 22, 2016 11:32 AM (bP5HK)

395 >>>> Again and again, I've asked, "Name one conservative policy victory the national Republican Party has delivered in the last 10 years."
You can't.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 11:23 AM (fQ/0p)
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This is absolutely correct. Nothing. We can't even manage to find decent appointments to SCOTUS.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 11:32 AM (2x3L+)

396 I like what Ace said: "No more ketchup on the shit sandwich."

Sounds like a bumper sticker to me.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 22, 2016 11:32 AM (Uq9ly)

397 Even the Post Office closed.

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Back in Kasich's dad's day it was neither snow nor rain nor gloom of night . . .

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:32 AM (Nwg0u)

398 ***"And what I think is that the establishment has to be destroyed."***

This and this alone is why I would vote for Trump.

I see no other way to do it and I just can't pull myself to pull the lever for anyone with a 'D' after their name. I just can't. And even though Trump is mostly a Donk, I see him as a much more effective way to fuck over the GOP than electing an actual Donk which will just lead to more of the same Earnest Pleading buisiness-as-usual GOP politicking.

Righteous rant dude.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2016 11:32 AM (Wckf4)

399 I can't see Sanders winning the election & Hillary isn't doing that great. No votes have been cast & we will have to wait & see.
I'm a registered Independent & voting Cruz.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 11:32 AM (sj3Ax)

400 prescient12 Where you been? I have missed giving you shit, ha ha

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:32 AM (jJRIy)

401 If we get half of what Trump is offering this country will be in fantastic shape. Just half.

I like the sentiment but no. We are in a decades deep hole. Even were Trump all that and a bag of chips, he will just slow the decline, though I doubt even that.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 11:32 AM (evdj2)

402 Trump and the deal.

Trump would walk away from a bad deal. The GOP has to have 'a deal'; good, bad, inconsequential, doesn't matter. The GOP want to be players they want to be part of the process because that's the only way they stand a chance of getting a crumb from the table.

That was why they were hammered by the news media and the 'government shutdown.' They were shut out of the process, locked out by management with no one to negotiate with. That was why they caved.

Posted by: Wonderful Chun at January 22, 2016 11:32 AM (ePB9l)

403 What really bothers me about the pro-Trump crowd is their claims that they're conservatives first, but are mad at the Republican Party, so they're going to support someone that even they admit isn't a conservative.

What the hell kind of an argument is this? You're going to support someone that doesn't hold your views because he's sticking it to the establishment? At that point, why not just vote for Bernie Sanders? He terrifies the establishment as well, actually seems to believe his Grandpa-Simpson-esque wharblgarbl, and holds the same socialist positions that your man Trump once did!

Admit it: you're actually not conservatives. No matter how much you loudly proclaiming otherwise, you're still Republicans, pissed off Republicans pretending to be conservatives.

(And no, I'm not secret GOPe. I'd rather tear off my own genitals than vote for Heb!, and while I'd abstain from self mutilation in the case of Rubio, I'd still stay home.)

Posted by: Prof. Fido, Ph. D. at January 22, 2016 11:33 AM (cbsx0)

404 Is it because of the snow?

Good point. The vested interests in DC probably got the day off.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 22, 2016 11:33 AM (fbovC)

405 OK EVERY time I refresh HQ Firefox wants to tell me that it does not support DRM software.

Ace got a spy program working on us?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:33 AM (jJRIy)

406
Think about this, the gop estabs are saying if its Trump or Cruz, we're voting for hillary, all the while telling us you must vote for their guy or hillary will win.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2016 11:33 AM (ODxAs)

407 Feh,
It's stupid to vote for a democrat. I agree Game Over is a D wins The White House.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 11:34 AM (sj3Ax)

408 Well, it's been fun, but 3rd cup of coffee is in the big sippy-cup, & I'm off to pick up makings for French Toast and BLT's.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 22, 2016 11:34 AM (erRNA)

409 Charles Krauthammer called the Establishment a "fiction" last night. Then he proceeded to use the word to describe certain candidates repeatedly.

It's like an urban legend: not true in the particulars but very true in the generals.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 22, 2016 11:34 AM (Uq9ly)

410 228 Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 11:04 AM (IrByp)

Love and Despair Bitches, the sequel to Love and Mercy starring Carnie Wilson

Posted by: kbdabear at January 22, 2016 11:34 AM (bP5HK)

411 ***"I was just told by Kevin Williamson to " get your emotions in check and grow the hell up," because I made this point to him."***

Just one more reason to keep him on my ignore list. He jumped the Shark months ago

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2016 11:34 AM (Wckf4)

412 >> Become a billionaire by losing deals.
>> Can anyone do that?

I'm not sure I understand the context.

Trump's managed to keep his own pockets lined, his deals haven't always worked out as well for his partners but they're big boys and girls.

The issue here is that Trump voters - at least those coming in from the right - want to see Presidential spittle all over the faces of the Senate leadership, they want to see every last Federal dollar of pothole money pulled from Mitch McConnell's state unless and until Turtle makes himself useful. And I'm not convinced Trump's gonna bust balls.

Posted by: JEM at January 22, 2016 11:34 AM (o+SC1)

413
Half a league half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred:
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
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Yes. They were all heroes. Died with their boots on, they did.

Posted by: Saddling up, to ride with Trump at January 22, 2016 11:35 AM (RrDm2)

414

I dont care about what politicians say

I care about what they do

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:35 AM (zOTsN)

415 Ace got a spy program working on us?
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:33 AM (jJRIy)

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Sorry.... snowstorms messing with us too.....

Posted by: Bob From the NSA at January 22, 2016 11:35 AM (8XRCm)

416 "Realistically the Dems are probably going to win thecWhite House"

Nah. The dems haven't had a real opponent since Reagan.

Trump is the next President. He takes winning seriously, thankfully.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 11:35 AM (LC/ka)

417 403 What really bothers me about the pro-Trump crowd is their claims that they're conservatives first, but are mad at the Republican Party, so they're going to support someone that even they admit isn't a conservative.

What the hell kind of an argument is this?

Tired of being the abused spouse for the last 30 years.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:35 AM (gvGwC)

418 "threw Derbyshire under the bus"

new kids wanted their invitations to wine tastings at the Big House? have to be presentable

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:36 AM (9iYoJ)

419 Trump isn't driven by ideology, he's driven by ego.

So every decision, every policy will be a reflection of how people see Trump. Everything will begin and end with him. He will hold the ultimate responsibility and the only gage will be if Trump succeeded or failed.

Using that scale, Trump will be the opposite of Obama. He will never be able to use the "I didn't know what was going on" excuse for anything.

Trump will step over congress and the Supreme Court to get things done, because it's his name on the line.

Shit will change.

Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2016 11:36 AM (Zs4uk)

420 the first rule of The Establishment is that there is no Establishment

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:36 AM (zOTsN)

421 me? I'm bracing for impact
Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:26 AM (zOTsN)

Not me. I am getting in my crash position!

Posted by: OneEyedJack, wildly contorted in his chair at January 22, 2016 11:36 AM (kKHcp)

422 "Admit it: you're actually not conservatives. No matter how much you loudly proclaiming otherwise, you're still Republicans, pissed off Republicans pretending to be conservatives.

(And no, I'm not secret GOPe. I'd rather tear off my own genitals than vote for Heb!,

Posted by: Prof. Fido, Ph. D."

Oh no, don't put it on me. Trump's the result of your fascinations, not mine.

Posted by: Professor Fido's genitals at January 22, 2016 11:37 AM (Uq9ly)

423 So everyone's still going with "If we just elect the right person..."?

Unless that person can turn decades of fake paper into cash and convince a majority of the public that, "No, you do not want free stuff", I don't see that going anywhere.

Now if they promise that they have magic beans...

Posted by: Damiano at January 22, 2016 11:37 AM (XItbt)

424 I agree, the establishment has to go down. The problem I see with electing a democrat is that I truly don't believe that bothers the establishment. They know damn well they can work with the libs easier than they can with a conservative, or anyone that is anti-them. I believe they are totally OK with the democrats winning. At least more OK than with Cruz or someone like him.

Posted by: Insanity at January 22, 2016 11:37 AM (JXlmi)

425 "I'm not convinced Trump's gonna bust balls"

oh, I think he'd consider it fun

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:37 AM (9iYoJ)

426 You'd think, since 2008, people have learned their lesson.

Whatever. I am fine with Trump.

The very idea that !jeb! thought he could win is wacko. (I did note, last night on FOX, he was wearing contact lenses and had abandoned his wonky glasses). Now he blinks "help me!" in code.

And, Katshit! I don't have enough words to express how I dislike him and he is expecting to rise to the top like a flatulent turd.

Even Huckabee, who I can semi-like and felt he had a place in earlier debates to sort of throw things out there for discussion, but a side-show, HE even thinks there will be a miracle in Iowa for him.

The ego of these people who cannot win but stay in the race---and for money of the donors which they keep.

No way, ever, am I voting (D). Trump is going to win. He is going to, I hope, choose wise men and women on his cabinet (vs The Won who chose lesbians and those of color only, oh, and van drivers. Diversity!). And I hope Trump will succeed where Baroque has failed. Multiple choice. Whatever.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 22, 2016 11:37 AM (7lqMl)

427
OK.... quick change of pace.

I saw yesterday an Immam talking about the group rapes in Cologne and that becasue the women were wearing perfume, they had it coming.

Why havent we heard a peep from the usually professionally aggrieved leftist on that???

Because thats what a real rape culture looks like.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 11:37 AM (8XRCm)

428 Charles Krauthammer called the Establishment a "fiction" last night. Then he proceeded to use the word to describe certain candidates repeatedly.

It's like an urban legend: not true in the particulars but very true in the generals.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 22, 2016 11:34 AM (Uq9ly)

I heard this.
He knew he was lying.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:38 AM (qCMvj)

429 Ace
Most writers get duller the more angry they get, but you are more Hulk than Ewok. If I didn't love your stuff and respect that it's your home I'd be trying to piss you off - cause your so awesome.
Gene
P.S.
Grab those Gamma Rays Dude!

Posted by: GeneTheHappy-e at January 22, 2016 11:38 AM (yPODC)

430 Become a billionaire by losing deals.
>> Can anyone do that?

I'm not sure I understand the context.

Trump will fold on deals/deal making?

IOW, winning by losing? Wrong ego.
That's the GOPe's wheelhouse.

Trump will win or he won't deal. He's not used to losing or taking a bad deal, because.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:38 AM (gvGwC)

431 I too am a fiction.

Posted by: East Coast Snowstorm at January 22, 2016 11:38 AM (Uq9ly)

432 Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quench Your Fires with Ice Scream at the Outrage Outlet! at January 22, 2016 11:30 AM (hLRSq)

When in the fuck did we have an opportunity to vote for a conservative!? Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole? If thats your idea of a fucking conservative no wonder you think a lifelong progressive liberal like Trump is the answer. That's it, I'm outta here and I do hope the door hits me on my backside. I can't take it anymore. The GOPe fucked us over so lets vote for a progressive! That'll show 'em! You deserve EVERYTHING coming down the pike. Fuck me running.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 22, 2016 11:38 AM (UnJ7w)

433 NRO calls Trump "the most poll obsessed politician in all of American history".

How's that an unfair criticism?

If Trump loses an actual poll that counts -- a real election -- he's going to look like Wile E. Coyote in that brief instant of weightless realuzation that occurs between when he's run off the cliff and when gravity takes over.

Posted by: Joe at January 22, 2016 11:38 AM (p8RIP)

434 No way, ever, am I voting (D). Trump is going to win. He is going to, I hope, choose wise men and women on his cabinet (vs The Won who chose lesbians and those of color only, oh, and van drivers. Diversity!). And I hope Trump will succeed where Baroque has failed. Multiple choice. Whatever.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 22, 2016 11:37 AM (7lq

Poetry sheer poetry...

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (/dSsq)

435
so they're going to support someone that even they admit isn't a conservative.

Sit Fido. Listen. There are no conservatives in the GOP establishment. None. They are in a kleptocracy with the Dems. It is a realization that many have finally come to know. They want to kill at least half of that coalition.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (ODxAs)

436 Trump has come out for many other things not mentioned that would be considered by most here to be conservative.

And yes he's been a vocal liberal for years.

But he's also a successful business man who understands that we've been selling (or giving it away in some cases) our seed corn.

This is not healthy and soon these past ill conceived laws will start to bite us more and more. The more we lose our economy of merit the more we will lose our freedom because the government will own us.

Time to change this. I won't vote for Cruz unless necessary because I don't believe he's got the right handle on the problems and I question his idea of what conservativism is or what the people want and need.

I grant that he would be better than any Democrat.

But that's like saying that a bowl of gruel is better than a moldy piece of bread. Both look and will taste terrible and will not be nourishing.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (Xo1Rt)

437 From The Patriot Post

So given the punishment for Gen. David Petraeus, where will Clinton find herself?

The obvious answer is in front of a wall, smoking her last cigarette.

Posted by: Fox2! at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (brIR5)

438 We have a bunch of new nics on this thread.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (2x3L+)

439 Whoah, late to the comments as usual, but I just noticed the most important thing in this whole discussion...Dagny's back??

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (Wckf4)

440 never wear cologne in cologne

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (zOTsN)

441 I'm an American before I'm a conservative or republican. I am supporting Trump with full recognition of his limitations, fallibilities and historic inconsistencies. I think, on balance, he will restore common sense and a patriotic mission to the governmental project. In any case, I have lost ALL faith in the politician/lawyer model of governance.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (s/yC1)

442

Rush will be interesting today.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (qCMvj)

443 >>>424 I agree, the establishment has to go down. The problem I see with electing a democrat is that I truly don't believe that bothers the establishment. They know damn well they can work with the libs easier than they can with a conservative, or anyone that is anti-them. I believe they are totally OK with the democrats winning. At least more OK than with Cruz or someone like him.

another true thing.

In that clip, Charlie Cooke relays the words of an anonymous GOP guy saying this explicitly -- we'd rather Trump gets the nom, and loses, so that we can reassert our primacy, than permit Cruz to win the primary and then maybe the general (which would be a rebuke of the establishment).

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 22, 2016 11:40 AM (dciA+)

444 Rush will be interesting today.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (qCMvj)

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Iiiiiiiit's OPEN LINE FRIDAY!!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 11:40 AM (8XRCm)

445 Think about this, the gop estabs are saying if its Trump or Cruz, we're voting for hillary, all the while telling us you must vote for their guy or hillary will win.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

+++++++++++++

To be fair, both wings do this. How many people here would vote Kasich if he were the nominee? I'm sure there would be all sorts of "I swear on my Mother's life I'll vote Hillary instead!!!!!"

Posted by: Carson at January 22, 2016 11:41 AM (nq/J2)

446 40 I think I've said it once today, but they were over when they purged Mark Steyn for the crime of quoting Bob Hope.
Posted by: HR
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(Cough cough)

Posted by: Pat Buchanan at January 22, 2016 11:41 AM (o0DWb)

447 bitter, get your ass over the Trump Tower and start writing Trump's speeches

that's the tone

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:41 AM (9iYoJ)

448 >>new nics on this thread.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (2x3L+)

Noticed that. Interesting.

Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2016 11:41 AM (vmMMi)

449 I used to know this guy who was a huge pro wrestling fan. He believed it all: every thrown chair, every interview interrupted by the 'bad guy' sneak attacking the fan favorite on live tv.

He would report back to us breathlessly on how immoral and 'against the rules' that the horrible HORRIBLE sneak attack was and how SOMEBODY was going to get REVENGE for this unimaginable insult .

The comments on AOS lately on the Trump vs Cruz brouhaha remind me of this guy. A lot.

Posted by: Mortimer at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (7H74V)

450 Anyone laid this card on the table yet?

http://tinyurl.com/zojzmuz

The Establishment douchebags are lining up with Trump, who is all to happy to take their support.

Some of you who think Trump is the torch that will Let It Burn are in for a very rude awakening.

Posted by: Fred at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (AKYZm)

451 433 NRO calls Trump "the most poll obsessed politician in all of American history".

How's that an unfair criticism?

Because Barky won't take a shit unless the optics are right.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (gvGwC)

452 446 40 I think I've said it once today, but they were over when they purged Mark Steyn for the crime of quoting Bob Hope.
Posted by: HR
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(Cough cough)
Posted by: Pat Buchanan at January 22, 2016 11:41

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You are forgetting someone.

Posted by: Steve Sailer at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (o0DWb)

453 Don't let this turn into LGF.

You can be angry at the establishment and still not adopt a pointless burn it all strategy. Even if you get somebody in the presidency who will piss you off once in a while (though they agree with you 95%) of the time, the place to really put the kibosh on the sellout stuff is the senate.

If you want to 'let it burn' find farage like senators from the oklahoma/idaho/alabama parts of the country who are unassailable (Tom Coburn).

By the way, this also discounts that in this let it burn strategy, that americans will get used to their new bread and circuses despite the many flaws of the government. Look at the legacy of the new deal.

Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (rGHQe)

454 Cruz is still my guy. He meshes with most of the things I want: smaller government, fiscal conservatism, being a dick to Lindsey Graham and John McCain.

Trump will do in a pinch. Just for the spectacle if nothing else.

The GOP has to be sent a message. They have ignored our concerns for several elections- elections that we have given them, and then they chose to either pass whatever the hell they want (in direct contravention of what the elections were supposed to be about.)

What is so hard to understand about this? We believe that Rubio, or Christie, or Kasich, or whatever the establishment pick is this week will simply do more of the same.

Trump has issues, sure, but at least he is offering something that people have wanted for the past 20 years (border security) and he has made it the centerpiece of his candidacy in such a way that people believe that he might actually follow through on it.

Better one thing we want, then nothing we want and a ton of crap we don't. Even if we get this one thing and then a bunch of stuff we do not, we still come out further ahead than we would be following the establishment.

May seem crazy. Probably is, but we live in crazy times.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (iHjB5)

455 "This is K Street vs the people and the people just figured it out"

And thanks to our Founders, since there are more of us than there are of them, we have control of our political destiny. Let's just hope we don't throw the power of the people away this time. Let K Street tremble at the thought of the votes in November being counted rather than dollars.

Posted by: Less than one year til he's gone!! at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (x8Wor)

456 Have you guys seen Trump's UNfavorable rating?

He's in front. Hillary is 2nd. But he's ahead of her in unfavorable by 10 points.

Are we gonna claim the "polls are skewed" again?

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (VrQW9)

457 Probably should point out that NRO pretty much just aligned themselves with "Stop Hate Dump Trump," which includes Jane Fonda, Noam Chomsky, Danny Glover, Harry Belafonte, Rosie O'Donnell and Michael Moore.

Might it be that both NRO and the celebs are scared of someone they can't take out through traditional MSM tactics?

(Again, not a Trump supporter so much as a big fan of what he has done to race. We were all set for Hillary and Jeb coronations, with Jeb then gracefully losing to Hills before Trump crashed the party. Would that have been better?)

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (NOIQH)

458 >>>440 never wear cologne in cologne
Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (zOTsN)

Yeah. It's like a joke, except not at all funny.

Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2016 11:43 AM (vmMMi)

459
ATC, Dagny and Christy Blinky

***beams***

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:43 AM (zOTsN)

460 This meme about Trump being a liberal. I dunno. Yeah, he's a fan of eminent domain. Yeah, he said nice things about Hillary. Yeah, isn't exactly pro-life.

But do you actually watch the guy? Look at him on stage: have you known a single liberal in your life who talked like that? The little words and short sentences? The big talk? The straight-up insults (rather than snark)?

Then look at his kids: they are what Mitt Romney's should've been, had Romney's not been the spawn of a plastic groom on the wedding cake.

This guy is constitutionally a conservative. He really is.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 22, 2016 11:43 AM (Uq9ly)

461 so I hear Dem women every day (unfortunately)

Trump and Cruz "scare them"

they'd actually consider voting for Kasich because "he'd compromise"

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:43 AM (9iYoJ)

462 -- we'd rather Trump gets the nom, and loses, so that we can reassert our primacy, than permit Cruz to win the primary and then maybe the general (which would be a rebuke of the establishment).

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I dont get the mutual exclusivity fascination.

Right now... Im pulling for Trump. Ill gladly pull the lever for Cruz. The rest of the insurgents are out.

But I will sit at home for the fist time in my long life for a Presidential election if Jeb, Rubio, Christie or Kaisich is the nominee.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 11:43 AM (8XRCm)

463 For better or worse, I'm with Trump. If it's not him or Cruz that gets the nomination, I'm sitting this one out.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 11:43 AM (2x3L+)

464 445 Think about this, the gop estabs are saying if its Trump or Cruz, we're voting for hillary, all the while telling us you must vote for their guy or hillary will win.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

+++++++++++++

To be fair, both wings do this. How many people here would vote Kasich if he were the nominee? I'm sure there would be all sorts of "I swear on my Mother's life I'll vote Hillary instead!!!!!"
Posted by: Carson at January 22, 2016 11:41 AM (nq/J2)

I just wouldn't vote. I'd have better things to do that day.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:44 AM (gvGwC)

465 456 Have you guys seen Trump's UNfavorable rating?
He's in front. Hillary is 2nd. But he's ahead of her in unfavorable by 10 points.
Are we gonna claim the "polls are skewed" again?
Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (VrQW9)

Polls are skewed.

Posted by: jwb7605 at January 22, 2016 11:44 AM (DofIg)

466 ***"What the hell kind of an argument is this?"***

An argument against insanity is what it is. Same thing, different results and all that.

This shouldn't be very hard to figure out if you understand the extraordinarily complicated concept of 'results'.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2016 11:44 AM (Wckf4)

467 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (ODxAs)

Is Trey Gowdy a member of the establishment? Is Mike Lee?

When does somebody be deemed to belong to the establishment?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 22, 2016 11:44 AM (khWYc)

468 Right on Ace!

This election is about destroying the cowards and traitors in the GOPe.

Once that is done, we can work to replace it with a real political party with guts, principals and an actual platform that they will pursue.

Let slip the dogs of war! Death to the GOPe!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 22, 2016 11:44 AM (ej1L0)

469 Bringing the budget into balance, giving citizens true value for their tax dollar, that's were I see Trump going.

In every speech, he reminds people how fucking stupid elected and career government people are. When he's elected, I expect him to call on public support to override either the civil service rules or government purchasing regulations and show just how stupid the way things were run.

Every dollar he saves is a triumph for Trump.

I'm looking forward to it.

Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2016 11:44 AM (Zs4uk)

470 "Polls are skewed."

How did that work out for Romney and the www.unskewedpolls guy?

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:45 AM (VrQW9)

471 Have you guys seen Trump's UNfavorable rating?

He's in front. Hillary is 2nd. But he's ahead of her in unfavorable by 10 points.

Are we gonna claim the "polls are skewed" again?
Posted by: Zeno

Zeno I think you are missing it. Alot of us dont care who wins at this point as long as it isnt the republicans, or rather the republican establishment. they have to be destroyed. they really only represent k street and are very very embarrassed and ashamed of their voters

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:45 AM (zOTsN)

472 I'm an American before I'm a conservative or republican. I am supporting Trump with full recognition of his limitations, fallibilities and historic inconsistencies.

That's how I look at it, the sum is greater than the parts, and I'll be the first to say I have major problems with Trump that I won't pretend aren't there.

But a President Cruz (which will never happen) will give us what? Maybe a minor tax cut? The guy's whole career has been failing, but being "right" while he's failing. That's a recipe for failure if you actually have to lead.

Posted by: Carson at January 22, 2016 11:45 AM (nq/J2)

473 Pretty amusing that while we are having this discussion Hot Air has a post up quoting Trump saying "Let's be a little establishment".

I don't think Trump is the burn it down candidate some of you think he is. He is the what's good for The Donald candidate. And that can change in a New York Minute.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2016 11:45 AM (Hxh2/)

474 GOPe is chosing the form of the destroyer

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:45 AM (zOTsN)

475
Charles Krauthammer called the Establishment a "fiction" last night. Then he proceeded to use the word to describe certain candidates repeatedly.
Posted by: MaxMBJ

Stick a playing card in the spokes of his wheelchair and let the noise drive him nuts.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2016 11:45 AM (kdS6q)

476 Probably should point out that NRO pretty much just aligned themselves with "Stop Hate Dump Trump," which includes Jane Fonda, Noam Chomsky, Danny Glover, Harry Belafonte, Rosie O'Donnell and Michael Moore.

Might it be that both NRO and the celebs are scared of someone they can't take out through traditional MSM tactics?

(Again, not a Trump supporter so much as a big fan of what he has done to race. We were all set for Hillary and Jeb coronations, with Jeb then gracefully losing to Hills before Trump crashed the party. Would that have been better?)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 11:42 AM (NOIQH)

nice points

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:45 AM (qCMvj)

477 " but they were over when they purged Mark Steyn for the crime of quoting Bob Hope."

And that's the bizarro world we've been living in for a minimum of seven years...actually longer if you go back to 2006 and Bush calling us vigilantees and pushing amnesty against out wishes.

The pressure has been increasing and increasing and it's about to blow.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (LC/ka)

478 "456 Have you guys seen Trump's UNfavorable rating?

He's in front. Hillary is 2nd. But he's ahead of her in unfavorable by 10 points.

Are we gonna claim the "polls are skewed" again?"

Not skewed: just early. Polls detect current breezes, not future winds. Wise people zoom back and see the movement of pressure systems.

Trump's favorability will rise as he gains momentum. When the cascade of endorsements come -- and they will, even from National Review writers -- watch those numbers change.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (Uq9ly)

479 Ptesdent Obama should dosomething to stop Trump's lies about persons of color.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (+gWuV)

480 In Soviet Russia, polls skew you!

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (evdj2)

481 461 so I hear Dem women every day (unfortunately)
Trump and Cruz "scare them"
they'd actually consider voting for Kasich because "he'd compromise"
Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:43 AM (9iYoJ)

This is why we need more women in combat roles.

Posted by: jwb7605 at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (DofIg)

482 Cosby wins one. Alleged victim sued him for defamation for denying he raped her (thus implying she was a liar). The Court booted her BS claim.

I know I'm in the minority on this but until I hear something more convincing, I'm voting "not proven" on the allegations against Cosby.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (Nwg0u)

483 "Alot of us dont care who wins at this point as long as it isnt the republicans, or rather the republican establishment. they have to be destroyed. they really only represent k street and are very very embarrassed and ashamed of their voters"

So a Hillary or Sanders victory is good for conservatives? Ever hear of SCOTUS?

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (VrQW9)

484 I see Rudy Giuliani says He likes Trumps chances over Cruz..... I know He's on the Lib side but I always liked Rudy...

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:47 AM (/dSsq)

485 So, yeah, compromise is A Thing that needs must happen.

I'm all for it on things where they're not demonstratedly wrong.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 11:47 AM (DL2i+)

486 I'm sure trumps unfavorables are high. He's that kind of guy. I have conservative friends who hate him.

Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2016 11:47 AM (vmMMi)

487 Ace needs to do a snow thread and challenge the morons to find out who gets the most snow.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:48 AM (jJRIy)

488 Time for Sizzler Senior Lunch Special!

Posted by: Bernie 2016 at January 22, 2016 11:48 AM (0n9QW)

489 The barrel is not nearly as bad in the winter.

Wait til your boots get stuck in the, Ugh, is that ice?

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 11:48 AM (DL2i+)

490 >>>Cosby wins one. Alleged victim sued him for defamation for denying he raped her (thus implying she was a liar). The Court booted her BS claim.

I don't think not proven means she's a liar.

Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2016 11:48 AM (vmMMi)

491 Well, I did come back. Morons are great. But, Ace, if you elect a Democrat you elect a communist/socialist of one variety or another -- a marxist, maoist, castrois (?), etc. -- there no longer is a Democratic Party today. Join forces with those who want to clean out the stables (of Augean size) rather than give in to a death wish -- out of desperation.

Between the global elitists of the GOPe funders and the marxists-islamists of the Obamites, there is no America. Look for American values; you won't find them anywhere in the DemParty.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at January 22, 2016 11:48 AM (sPfLU)

492 Was with you til the end. Electing a Democrat will not destroy the GOP since the Dems will keep them around as a foil. WE are the ones who will be destroyed as the Dems will finish the job of killing our Constitutional Republic. Trump or Cruz, yes. Commie socialist Dem? He'll no.

Posted by: Devan95 at January 22, 2016 11:48 AM (kC+1/)

493 Fuck you. War.

And when you are at war you deny the enemy what they want.

What the GOPe wants is Rubio. Or Jeb. Or Christie.

What they do NOT want is Trump. Or Cruz.

Ergo, I don't give a shit about Trump's past policy statements or whether he is a small c conservative. What I care is that he's not what the enemy wants to have happen. So I'm looking to mess up the GOPe's OODA loop.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at January 22, 2016 11:48 AM (PFy0L)

494 So a Hillary or Sanders victory is good for conservatives? Ever hear of SCOTUS?

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (VrQW9)

republicans arent good for conservatives. understand?

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (zOTsN)

495 Trump is "gauche" and "isn't polite company" and "has how many wives?" and "inherited a million dollars, no wonder he's successful"

these are the shudderings of the

bow-tie conservatives

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (9iYoJ)

496 486 I'm sure trumps unfavorables are high. He's that kind of guy. I have conservative friends who hate him.

Me too, but I can't help but think that once they are in the voting booth and it's Him VS Hillary! they would pull the lever for Trump....

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (/dSsq)

497 That's it, I'm outta here and I do hope the door hits me on my backside. I can't take it anymore. The GOPe fucked us over so lets vote for a progressive! That'll show 'em! You deserve EVERYTHING coming down the pike. Fuck me running.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 22, 2016 11:38 AM (UnJ7w)

Sorry, I can't help you with that. According to the establishment media consultant and all-around party-dude Rick Wilson I only like anime.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quench Your Fires with Ice Scream at the Outrage Outlet! at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (hLRSq)

498 "I don't think Trump is the burn it down candidate some of you think he is. He is the what's good for The Donald candidate. And that can change in a New York Minute."
Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2016 11:45 AM (Hxh2/)

Maybe he just wants to win first, making him a pragmatist. Trump is too smart to believe he can take the "burn it down" mentality across the finish line. He will slowly move more toward the establishment. I predict a establishment figure VP choice.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (s/yC1)

499 So a Hillary or Sanders victory is good for conservatives? Ever hear of SCOTUS?

Ever hear of Roberts? The justice that gave us OCare?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (gvGwC)

500 Have you guys seen Trump's UNfavorable rating?

He's in front. Hillary is 2nd. But he's ahead of her in unfavorable by 10 points.

Are we gonna claim the "polls are skewed" again?
Posted by: Zeno

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Whoever is the eventual nominee will see hell fire reigned down upon them by the MSM/Democrat Media Complex

Romney was probably one of the most decent human beings to ever run (even if he was a moderate) I bet the guy never even touched a cigarette or beer his whole life, was a virgin when he was married, etc and yet it was still "binders full of women" the dog on the top of his car, vulture capitalist, etc

I'm impressed that they've thrown EVERYTHING at Trump and he keeps getting stronger

Posted by: Carson at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (nq/J2)

501 I hope Limbaugh isn't unbearable again. I am sick of his Trump cheerleading, between selling Rush Revere.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (sj3Ax)

502 new kids wanted their invitations to wine tastings at the Big House? have to be presentable
Posted by: Feh
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Interestingly (or not), John Derbyshire has told me that he dined occasionally with WFB and Pat.

WFB might have discouraged Derbyshire from saying certain things, but he would not have blacklisted him, as occurred.

Wait... can I say 'blacklisted'?

Posted by: Saddling up, to ride with Trump at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (RrDm2)

503 Here is the situation for the GOPe:

They want Heb!
They'll take Rubio
They'll get Trump

That is a serious problem for them. The strategy to solve that problem is: Bad mouth Trump to Conservatives - which will leave Cruz. The GOPe doesn't want Cruz - but they know they can beat him with Trump out of the picture - the same way they always beat conservatives; with establishment money. That leaves only establishment lap dogs in the race so the GOPe wins - and gets to run a virtual Heb! in the election. That way they can lose to Hillary! and maintain the status quo.

This is really not to hard to figure out. So expect more GOPe propaganda about how Trump isn't a conservative and how conservatives need to back Cruz. I like Cruz but I realize he can't win - Trump can - so he gets the anti GOPe vote from me. We can't do anything about Democrats - but we can do something about the GOPe. Not listening to their propaganda is a start.

Posted by: An Observation at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (yWsYC)

504 I've been looking cross-eyed at National Review for years now, ever since Jay Nordlinger admitted that he was embarrassed by the Clinton impeachment. And not because Clinton was an embarrassment.

I mean, good grief!

Posted by: Kensington at January 22, 2016 11:50 AM (7Kbxu)

505 Have you guys seen Trump's UNfavorable rating?

He's in front. Hillary is 2nd. But he's ahead of her in unfavorable by 10 points.

Are we gonna claim the "polls are skewed" again?

Shitz given = 0

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 22, 2016 11:50 AM (LUgeY)

506 >>>Admit it: you're actually not conservatives. No matter how much you loudly proclaiming otherwise, you're still Republicans, pissed off Republicans pretending to be conservatives.

names is for tombstones, baby. -- Mr. Big, Live and Let Die

I honestly don't understand why people invest so much in this stupid auto-taxonomy. Always defining ourselves according to some word external to ourselves, or accusing others of not conforming to that word.

We are all whatever we are, and no set of simple words would accurately describe virtually any of us.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)

507 >>>> I'm sure trumps unfavorables are high. He's that kind of guy. I have conservative friends who hate him.
Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2016 11:47 AM (vmMMi)
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Same here. I know a lot of political junkies like me who are really conservative and they all hate Trump. They are aghast that I would vote for him.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 11:50 AM (2x3L+)

508 "republicans arent good for conservatives. understand?"

Yes. You are saying good is the enemy of the perfect. Want 3 more liberal judges on the supreme court?

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:50 AM (VrQW9)

509 o I'm looking to mess up the GOPe's OODA loop.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at January 22, 2016 11:48 AM (PFy0L)

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Im not convinced the GOPe has a loop.

A semicricle at best. But not a full loop.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 11:50 AM (8XRCm)

510 Wow- I missed a a helluva lot today already. National Review went off the rails? Ace endorses MSNBC commentary? Hillary faces a new investigation from the State Department, which a big piece of new news.

Fun day!

Posted by: MTF at January 22, 2016 11:50 AM (TxJGV)

511 491 Well, I did come back. Morons are great. But, Ace, if you elect a Democrat you elect a communist/socialist of one variety or another -- a marxist, maoist, castrois (?), etc. -- there no longer is a Democratic Party today. Join forces with those who want to clean out the stables (of Augean size) rather than give in to a death wish -- out of desperation.
Between the global elitists of the GOPe funders and the marxists-islamists of the Obamites, there is no America. Look for American values; you won't find them anywhere in the DemParty.
Posted by: pyromancer76 at January 22, 2016 11:48 AM (sPfLU)

For all the NRO bashing going on this morning, some of their articles are worth reading and pondering.

Trump and Sanders Could Reshape Their Parties Forever
http://tinyurl.com/zef8k46

Posted by: jwb7605 at January 22, 2016 11:51 AM (DofIg)

512
O/T -

Imperial One, I hear that Your Divine Malevolence is making a state visit to New England. Are you going to be anywhere near me?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2016 11:51 AM (X6fMO)

513 republicans and democratics have become the uniparty, a one party system that exists to benefit k street

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 11:51 AM (zOTsN)

514 Man, can you imagine if the "conservative" intelligentsia had ever consolidated and mobilized itself against Obama like they have against Trump?
Posted by: rrpjr
No shit. Thread winnah!

Posted by: andycanuck at January 22, 2016 11:51 AM (DLIIY)

515 This is shit = GOPe.

This is Shineola = Trump.

Any questions?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 22, 2016 11:51 AM (ej1L0)

516 Hillary faces a new investigation from the State Department, which a big piece of new news.

What?

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:51 AM (/dSsq)

517 The Moron's have their Trump blades honed to a mirror edge. Seriously, do the new nic folks think that we haven't been forging each other in fire for months over Trump?

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 22, 2016 11:51 AM (sPO/s)

518 Ptesdent Obama should dosomething to stop Trump's lies about persons of color.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (+gWuV)

Especially those green with envy.

Hi Mary!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 11:52 AM (qCMvj)

519 Maybe he just wants to win first, making him a pragmatist. Trump is too smart to believe he can take the "burn it down" mentality across the finish line. He will slowly move more toward the establishment. I predict a establishment figure VP choice.
Posted by: rrpjr
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That.

I find myself astonished by the attraction to Trump, and the lack of enthusiasm for Cruz.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2016 11:52 AM (RrDm2)

520 Ugh. I just sent some Carly mail to spam.

I sent her some money in the beginning because I was enthralled. I'm not surprised that I keep getting requests for more money because that's how it works.

But I've responded two or three times with specifics about how she has disappointed and why I am no longer enamored.

If you're going to run as the Silicon Valley candidate you ought to be savvy enough to have a minion come up with a boilerplate response, but she didn't.

*sighs*

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 22, 2016 11:52 AM (1xUj/)

521 Summarizing this thread:

What a stupid time to be alive.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at January 22, 2016 11:52 AM (RFeQD)

522 >> What really bothers me about the pro-Trump crowd is their
>> claims that they're conservatives first, but are mad at the
>> Republican Party, so they're going to support someone that
>> even they admit isn't a conservative.

I think there's a disconnect in terms of the definition of 'conservative'.

Many who consider themselves 'conservative' are not doctrinaire free-traders, they'll buy the 'Made in China' stuff even as they shake their head a bit.

They don't pay a lot of attention to who picks their lettuce or plucks their chickens but don't much like when their kids' schools cut music classes to pay for 'English learner' programs.

They like seeing 15% annual return on their 401(k) but they're also pretty sure the money that goes into bank executives' portfolio of summer homes and AAPL's retained earnings and Hollywood's fleet of private jets results from gaming the tax code.

They see government benefit programs increasingly skewed toward the Obamaphone crowd, but figure any money taken out of Social Security's gonna end up in some other government giveaway program.

And so on. When the doctrinaire conservatives start slamming Trump for 'nationalism' and 'populism' - not everyone thinks those are bad things.

Posted by: JEM at January 22, 2016 11:52 AM (o+SC1)

523 I keep getting an error about that video everytime I refresh.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 22, 2016 11:52 AM (4ErVI)

524 "Trump saying "Let's be a little establishment".

I don't think Trump is the burn it down candidate some of you think he is. He is the what's good for The Donald candidate."

He's trying to reassure people that he's not a crazy tyrant. He wants to go back to a time when we had three equal branches of government and deals had to be made and the people got what they voted for.

He wants to make deals on behalf of the American public, citizens, taxpayers, middle class.

Oh, the horror!

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 11:52 AM (LC/ka)

525 I'm all for it on things where they're not demonstratedly wrong.
Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 11:47 AM (DL2i+)

Yup. Of course there are matters on which there is no room for compromise. Of course. But I feel like I'm being pushed into the camp of NO NO NO NEVER ANYTHING BIPARTISAN EVER BAAAAD which yeah no.

In other news, I don't think I'm supposed to be able to hear it snowing.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (IrByp)

526 The thing Trump can do that no other Republican candidate can do is break the stranglehold the MSM has on the process and on Republicans in particular. Trump pwns the media. We need that more than anything else right now.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (wLLbf)

527 All my points have pretty much been covered. I came to ACE's viewpoint a number of years ago. The only lesson that will "teach" them is to punish them by the loss of their job, even if the process is painful. Feat the voters more than the big contributors, etc. But...

I came to General Zod's point (#23) the last year or so. They are not afraid of losing an election, even their own to a great degree. The establishment has to be preserved at all cost. Lost a DC seat in the house, lose the prestige and power, but then -- with the establishment in place -- get your millions on K street. No "real" loss there. The establishment has to be dismantled, as it exists now. Though it will certainly, over time, rebuild itself. Cruz and trump are about the only shot at that I can see. and that's a bit of a long shot.

Posted by: Keith at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (nFB1w)

528 Ok so how do we put NRO out of business? They'll probably go out of business when their elderly customer base dies off, but is there any way to accomplish it faster?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (4ErVI)

529 Thunder B,
Your comment 503 is the truth. They don't care that they're supposed to be representing us.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (sj3Ax)

530 The question all should ask on election day:

"Do you think Trump will do worse than the present pretender we have endured for eight years, as our debt increases at the same curve of our national security and military decrease? Do you think Trump will want this country to fail under his leadership?" My answers are hail to the no. (Saying this, I am a "vote against D" sure vote). I am liking Trump more and more. Bite moi.

So then we have, on the other ticket, an old socialist hump-back; and a haggard has-been harridan who should either be indicted, spontaneously combust, or done fall out in another concussion clutching her shot glass prior to November. Same question: "Do you think either of these whackadoodles will do worse or bring more of the same trajectory as Barky?" My answer, of course, is Hail Yeah.

This sums up my political stance of 2016. I am all out of fury and angst and thinking I am going to change a dang thing by having these emotions. I will not argue with people, on the Internet or in-laws as I do not give a squirrel farht whaat they think. I will vote (R) and hope it is going to get better and we can slowly pull ourselves out of the slog Obarfy created.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (7lqMl)

531 I find myself astonished by the attraction to Trump, and the lack of enthusiasm for Cruz.

THIS.

Also, I have seen a lot of comments about "new nics"... do you regulars think that is a good thing, or a bad thing?

Posted by: DJ at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (+2t20)

532 514 In fact the "intelllegentsia" fell for Barack.Brooks,Althouse,Frum,Chris Buckley,Noonan....

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (8HTq1)

533 I don't think that what Trump means by "establishment" is what some others mean by establishment.

I think he understands that the entire edifice isn't going to be cast down by the Presidential election.

(much as we might hope)

And he's going to have to DEAL with a lot of what's been considered part and parcel of the "establishment"

And there's nothing wrong with that unless we wind up with the same empty promises and the same lies and the same lack of movement to less crap coming out of DC.

There is no guarantee. Trump may begin a march to a dictatorship. The tools are there already. Formed and surrendered by the previous establishment.

Or he may be the crony capitalist of all crony capitalists.

But I don't see how he wins in his own mind by doing that. His ego and sense of importance and being a winner won't allow him to be another mediocre lack luster failure.

This means he will at least TRY to accomplish some of what he's said he will do.

But he will have to try to do that with the "establishment" that is currently in place.

(when I say "establishment I'm referring to an attitude more than a particular person. Although that may be the case in some ways. But given the right impetus and deal, even the old fogies can come around to what's necessary. Especially if Trump is seen to have a Mandate to do so.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 22, 2016 11:54 AM (Xo1Rt)

534 What is the plan for the mainstream Right to deal with the sentiments espoused by much of Trump's support--the nationalistic impulse (stricter immigration controls, reworking trade to keep American jobs, etc.)? Is the "America First" sentiment something that can be redirected, in your opinion?
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That's just it: They don't have one and they refuse to come up with one.

I've sat here for, what, 6-8 months now, watching Trump come out in the lead and stay there on a very, very simple message: "This shit show sucks and it's time we say it and do something about it."

Because the "America First" message doesn't empower those already in power--it weakens them.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 11:54 AM (fQ/0p)

535 William Jefferson Clinton is a regular commenter here at AOSHQ. Cardboard membership since '08.

The Original Stain.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 11:54 AM (DL2i+)

536 saddling

"WFB might have discouraged Derbyshire from saying certain things, but he would not have blacklisted him, as occurred"

well, there was the WFB vs. Bircher unpleasantness

maybe they thought they were doing something similar

is there a good piece on the whole Derb Purge I can read?

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:54 AM (9iYoJ)

537 I have to say this, but yes everything must be torn down. For too long we have been promised and led by the nose by our betters, only to be disappointed. I' ll gladly vote either one.

Posted by: Picric at January 22, 2016 11:54 AM (QnQ+g)

538 ever since Jay Nordlinger admitted that he was embarrassed by the Clinton impeachment. And not because Clinton was an embarrassment.

I mean, good grief!
Posted by: Kensington at January 22, 2016 11:50 AM (7Kbxu)

Thanks for reminder. Ever read David Schippers' book "Sell Out" in which he chronicles the craven betrayals of GOP elite during the Clinton investigation?

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2016 11:54 AM (s/yC1)

539 I was typing a bit fast, sorry for the typos.

Posted by: Keith at January 22, 2016 11:54 AM (nFB1w)

540 Compromise? I can do that.

I get what I want, you get to still draw breath.

See? We both get something.

I'm about this far from swapping from doing like the Benedictines and trying to preserve something to just going full Reaver.

Keep pushing. I'm sure I'll go all brony and not start looking for ways to gut you like a fish. Just watch.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 22, 2016 11:54 AM (9krrF)

541 Step back from the edge Ace.

Blowing up the republican establishment isn't guaranteed to solve the problem(s) they've created any more than Obama's Arab Spring solved the problem secular strongmen governing the Middle East.

Trump's not against the kind of deal-making Obama and the two-faced republicans engage in. He's just arguing his terms would be better when the deals themselves are the real problem.

Just say no to deal-makers.

Posted by: crazy at January 22, 2016 11:54 AM (4VSNx)

542 If Trump does end up getting elected, the term "Republicrat" will have a visible definition.

Which will be an improvement over the current conventional description of Democrat.

So there's that.

Posted by: jwb7605 at January 22, 2016 11:55 AM (DofIg)

543 Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (IrByp)

Negotiate when you can. Compromise when you have to.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 22, 2016 11:55 AM (khWYc)

544 I predict a establishment figure VP choice.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (s/yC1)
Even I couldn't prevent that.

Posted by: Zombie Ronaldus Magnus at January 22, 2016 11:55 AM (GUBah)

545 DJ,

To me, it's a mixed bag
Trust but verify.

Posted by: Chi at January 22, 2016 11:55 AM (I7I0v)

546 these are the shudderings of the

bow-tie conservatives

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:49 AM (9iYoJ)

What they fear is President Archie Bunker.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quench Your Fires with Ice Scream at the Outrage Outlet! at January 22, 2016 11:55 AM (hLRSq)

547 He is the what's good for The Donald candidate. And that can change in a New York Minute.
Posted by: JackStraw

that's cool because very other one is the what's good for govt. candidate and that never changes.

Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 11:55 AM (nFwvY)

548 Is it [new commenters] because of the snow?
Well, D.C. is closed for the weekend.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 22, 2016 11:55 AM (DLIIY)

549 >>He's in front. Hillary is 2nd. But he's ahead of her in unfavorable by 10 points

And this is *exactly* what is wrong with the GOPe.

How is it they can dedicate an entire issue to stop a vulgar, liberal/populist loudmouth business man who never killed one of our own Ambassadors, never monetized the sh%t out of being SoS (see selling uranium mining rights to Russia) nor ever made highly classified state secrets available to any hacker, any foreign enemy agent in order to hide said influence peddling?!?!?!?

Hillary should be the easiest target in the world to take out, and yet they're wasting their energy on Trump.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 11:55 AM (NOIQH)

550 Trump pwns the media. We need that more than anything else right now.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (wLLbf)

Yes!

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2016 11:55 AM (s/yC1)

551 Romney was probably one of the most decent human beings to ever run (even if he was a moderate) I bet the guy never even touched a cigarette or beer his whole life, was a virgin when he was married, etc and yet it was still "binders full of women" the dog on the top of his car, vulture capitalist, etc

He, like his idealogical brutha from anothuh mutha, W (who bears primary responsibility for giving us TFP) wouldn't fight back against any of the MFM lies. How was he going to defend us against the rest of the world who hates us if he couldn't even dispel the left's propaganda?

He, like McVain in '08, was another piss poor candidate forced upon us by an out-of-touch GOPe elite. Trump will hopefully start to end that crap.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (LUgeY)

552 @528...Dack, I quit reading NRO several years ago. Used to even comment back in the day. I did not realize they had rejected Mark Steyn...is that true? If so, that tells it all.

Stop clickking. Stop commenting if you do. Each click is $.

This is simply an example of the imploding splody heads in advance of Trump winning. There will be insanity on both sides of the aisle. ha.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (7lqMl)

553 I find myself astonished by the attraction to Trump, and the lack of enthusiasm for Cruz.

I want to like Cruz, but there's something about Him I don't like.... As much as He says He's anti-establishment I see nothing but a politician.... I guess that's why so many are drawn to Trump.......That's not to say I'm a Trump fan....I will however vote for either of them Better than the alternative...

Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (/dSsq)

554 The Moron's have their Trump blades honed to a mirror edge. Seriously, do the new nic folks think that we haven't been forging each other in fire for months over Trump?

The blades have been forged for years in the GOPe's fires.
Trump, like Solingen Steel is the result.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (gvGwC)

555 I want the most conservative Republican who can win. Trump is neither conservative nor electable. You've been warned, repeatedly, but you still don't get it, or don't care. You hate the "establishment," so you're going with the worst possible candidate, one who will guarantee a far left takeover of our country's institutions for the rest of our lives and probably forever. Think "UK." Some day, when it is far too late, you will realize this too. But for now just insult me. Fools.

Posted by: Post-American at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (Y8P5w)

556 So a Hillary or Sanders victory is good for conservatives? Ever hear of SCOTUS?
Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (VrQW9)

Rally to the foam finger, fool.
Ever hear of ACA? Constitutional, as per chief justice Roberts.
Howzabout gay marriage, decided by the supposedly conservative court?

Please, don't threaten us with what has already happened.

Posted by: OneEyedJack, wildly contorted in his chair at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (kKHcp)

557 He wants to make deals on behalf of the American public, citizens, taxpayers, middle class.
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See? This where we differ. I believe that Trump defines everything by the merits of the 'deal', and nothing by principle.

I'm willing to accept some example, any example, to the contrary.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (RrDm2)

558
BTW - blowing up on twitter atm, Trump's account @'d someone with a "WhiteGenocide" nik for the picture they posted of a bum Jeb , and now everyone is screeching about Trump being a Nazi -- again.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/690562515500032000

Because -- that is what twitter does.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2016 11:57 AM (kdS6q)

559 461 so I hear Dem women every day (unfortunately)

Trump and Cruz "scare them"

they'd actually consider voting for Kasich because "he'd compromise"
Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 11:43 AM (9iYoJ)
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So I have to hear Dem men every day (unfortunately).

Trump and Cruz "scare them", because they are racist h8rs.

They'd actually consider voting for Kasich because "he'd compromise".

Lots of them are mil/ex-mil. Some of them *were* in combat roles.

I hate universal suffrage.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 22, 2016 11:57 AM (jR7Wy)

560 Cosby wins one. Alleged victim sued him for defamation for denying he raped her (thus implying she was a liar). The Court booted her BS claim.

I don't think not proven means she's a liar.

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I was talking about apples and oranges. The apple is that it is utterly ridiculous that you could face a defamation lawsuit because you denied an accusation against you. The Orange is that I remain unconvinced of his guilt.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:57 AM (Nwg0u)

561 Hillary is not nearly as universally hated as some of you think. I really think we're going to see another Clinton in the WH. Another "historic" election.

All because of this ridiculous circus. Eight more years of democrats controlling everything.

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:57 AM (VrQW9)

562 @466 What "results?" The second Trump gets the nod, he's going to slide right into making deals with the establishment to ensure his position, because that's what he's done with all his other positions, and you'll be stuck with an all-but-socialist in charge of the Republican Party. And the establishment will have learned NOTHING from the whole ordeal, other than how gullible the conservative movement is.

Just wait. In six months, he'll be tweeting "Those Mexican immigrants? Can't get enough of them! Don't complain like Americans. Hard workers!"

Posted by: Chubby Chasin' Moron at January 22, 2016 11:58 AM (cbsx0)

563 All that hate is gonna burn you up, Kid.

Posted by: garrett at January 22, 2016 11:58 AM (b99VK)

564 "Admit it: you're actually not conservatives."

I don't know how many times and in how many ways Trump supporters of the right can say it.

Trump is the only candidate who attacked illegal/legal immigration and without him and the wall we don't have ANY country left nor any vehicle for conservatism to have any power (not that we have any in the GOPe-only lies and illusions) in the Democrat Utopia of subsidized third worlder's freely flooding in.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 11:58 AM (LC/ka)

565 >>>> But I feel like I'm being pushed into the camp of NO NO NO NEVER ANYTHING BIPARTISAN EVER BAAAAD which yeah no.
In other news, I don't think I'm supposed to be able to hear it snowing.
Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (

It is still true that perfect is the enemy of good. I am well aware that no one elected will match my ideas perfectly. I just want someone who will push for real in the right direction.

Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2016 11:59 AM (vmMMi)

566 Hillary is not nearly as universally hated as some of you think. I really think we're going to see another Clinton in the WH. Another "historic" election.

All because of this ridiculous circus. Eight more years of democrats controlling everything.
Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:57 AM (VrQW9)

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I'll bet you a paycheck that she's not even going to be the nominee.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 11:59 AM (8XRCm)

567 "We are all whatever we are, and no set of simple words would accurately describe virtually any of us."

I put on a tie-dyed shirt and warmed up the lava lamp while chanting this.

Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2016 11:59 AM (Zs4uk)

568 >>>> Also, I have seen a lot of comments about "new nics"... do you regulars think that is a good thing, or a bad thing?
Posted by: DJ at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (+2t20)
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new nics are always a good thing. At least we haven't had that many trolls recently.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 11:59 AM (2x3L+)

569 "556 So a Hillary or Sanders victory is good for conservatives? Ever hear of SCOTUS?
Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 11:46 AM (VrQW9)

Rally to the foam finger, fool.
Ever hear of ACA? Constitutional, as per chief justice Roberts.
Howzabout gay marriage, decided by the supposedly conservative court?

Please, don't threaten us with what has already happened.
Posted by: OneEyedJack, wildly contorted in his chair at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (kKHcp)"

You mean the ACA that no Republicans voted for? Those darned RINO traitors, not giving a single vote to the ACA. Selective memories abound.

Marbles = lost. Elect more Democrats. Elect Trump, burn it all down, on the same day that Trump cozies up to the establishment that Ace and the rest allegedly need to burn down because they're traitors.

Getting played like a fiddle by a man who looks like he just got out of bed most of the time. Congrats Ace and the rest.

Posted by: deepelemblues at January 22, 2016 11:59 AM (MZgvM)

570 Dack,
If you're on the NRO email list they do twice yearly, at least, fundraising asking for donation.
I gave them $25 last month & wish I didn't!

No donations for reading the free things s/help put then out of business. They claim to be struggling. I hope it's true.

No one has magazine subscription because by the time one has it, it's old news.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 11:59 AM (sj3Ax)

571 I want to like Cruz, but there's something about Him I don't like.... As much as He says He's anti-establishment I see nothing but a politician.... I guess that's why so many are drawn to Trump.......That's not to say I'm a Trump fan....I will however vote for either of them Better than the alternative...
Posted by: donna

________________

I haven't found a single conservative friend that's backing him. Everyone knows the guy would lose to Hillary, even when I agree with what he's saying I cringe hearing him say it.

He's the worst conservative "ambassador" I can think of.

Posted by: Carson at January 22, 2016 12:00 PM (nq/J2)

572 All that hate is gonna burn you up, Kid.
Posted by: garrett at January 22, 2016 11:58 AM (b99VK)

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*grins*

Keeps me warm.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 12:00 PM (8XRCm)

573 All that hate is gonna burn you up, Kid.

Posted by: garrett at January 22, 2016 11:58 AM (b99VK)

Keeps me warm at night.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 22, 2016 12:00 PM (GUBah)

574
The blades have been forged for years in the GOPe's fires.
Trump, like Solingen Steel is the result.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (gvGwC)

=============

Valyrian Steel. Made from the blood of 10,000 eunuchs.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 22, 2016 12:00 PM (iQIUe)

575 THE TAUNTING!

I've bing'd "expanse chrisjen snow" but so far no red coat empress.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 12:01 PM (DL2i+)

576 >>>I was talking about apples and oranges. The apple is that it is utterly ridiculous that you could face a defamation lawsuit because you denied an accusation against you. The Orange is that I remain unconvinced of his guilt.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 11:57 AM (Nwg0u)

You said she lost this implying that she is a liar. I don't agree with that. It's a stupid lawsuit, but rape is hard to prove. It not being proven doesn't mean it didn't happen. That's all.

Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2016 12:01 PM (vmMMi)

577 *waves to L, Elle
Snow finally started here. Flakes the size of golfballs. It's really quite beautiful.

Posted by: Chi at January 22, 2016 12:01 PM (I7I0v)

578
WOLVERIIIIIIINES!!!!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 12:01 PM (8XRCm)

579 A lot of new nics are probably just lurkers. I've read this site daily since 2012 and used to give the subscription Rasmussen numbers every morning for Obama vs. Romney (who Dave in Fla then put into his tragically flawed unskewed poll site). Is that dude still around?

Anyway, I usually don't have much to comment about, but the past few days I've felt otherwise.

Posted by: VBJonny at January 22, 2016 12:01 PM (NX9H4)

580 Trump will happily suck up your anger and ride it as far as he can and if he can ride it all the way to the White House he'll laugh right in your faces while he "compromises" with the GOPe and the Democrats all day long to "get stuff done." You think you're immune to being baited and switched? That's all you bitch about, how the GOPe has done it you again and again and again, and you're happy to have it done one more time.

Posted by: deepelemblues at January 22, 2016 12:02 PM (MZgvM)

581 zeno

hard-core Dem women that are unfortunately within my earshot know Hillary is a liar and a criminal

they are looking for an excuse not to vote for her

they're white-collar Dem women, too

the blue-collar Dem women think Hillary is a selfish bitch

Posted by: Feh at January 22, 2016 12:02 PM (9iYoJ)

582 But for now just insult me. Fools.

Irony. Like silvery, only rust colored.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:02 PM (evdj2)

583 Perfect is the enemy of good, but so is bad.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 22, 2016 12:02 PM (9krrF)

584 >>Trump is the only candidate who attacked illegal/legal immigration and without him and the wall we don't have ANY country left nor any vehicle for conservatism to have any power (not that we have any in the GOPe-only lies and illusions) in the Democrat Utopia of subsidized third worlder's freely flooding in.

Before announcing this cycle, I mean weeks before, Trump was going on about how Romney was nuts for his very aggressive deportation stance last election. Claimed that talking about "self-deportation" was crazy and would drive away Latino voters. Weeks later he was talking about illegal immigrant drug dealers and rapists and how they all had to be deported, no exceptions.

Please square that circle.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2016 12:02 PM (Hxh2/)

585 Trump equals bringing a gun to a gunfight.

Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 12:02 PM (nFwvY)

586 Trump is pulling the masks off the lizards disguised as men.

It does not matter that Trump isn't a Conservative.

It matters that Trump is a free man.

It matters that we want to be free, too.

We want our Republic back.

Posted by: eman at January 22, 2016 12:02 PM (MQEz6)

587 "See? This where we differ. I believe that Trump defines everything by the merits of the 'deal', and nothing by principle."

Great and I BELIEVE differently. It's a standoff.

"I'm willing to accept some example, any example, to the contrary."

He's been a private businessman that WAS his job to benefit himself and his company.

Now America will be his 'company' - and don't jump on the wording, it's an analogy.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 12:03 PM (LC/ka)

588 Irony. Like silvery, only rust colored.

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Heh. Im stealing that.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 12:03 PM (8XRCm)

589 I

(#nohomo)

Posted by: Flaccid Member at January 22, 2016 12:03 PM (5fSr7)

590 The blades have been forged for years in the GOPe's fires.
Trump, like Solingen Steel is the result.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (gvGwC)

This x1000....Trump is the GOPe's dirty, nasty body fluids soaked bed and they will be made to lay in it. And like it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 22, 2016 12:03 PM (ej1L0)

591 And so on. When the doctrinaire conservatives start slamming Trump for 'nationalism' and 'populism' - not everyone thinks those are bad things.

When Disney starts firing their own employees after making them train their newly imported replacements, despite making billions, then yeah, it's past time for some nationalism.

The people who are supposed to represent us and do our bidding in DC haven't done that in at least a generation. It's reached critical mass in the form of Donald Trump's Hair.

And as an aside, IMO, we actually are faced with the choice of who is more conservative who can actually get elected. From my vantage point, I'm sad to say it isn't Cruz, since he was my first round pick.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 22, 2016 12:03 PM (LUgeY)

592 New nics are good. The point is that we've been punching each others dicks for months over Trump/Cruz/Rubio.

Basically, it's like a guy who's seen a movie once telling the guy who's seen it 20 times that he doesn't know what the movie's about.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 22, 2016 12:03 PM (sPO/s)

593 The Weekly Standard has article " Nine Tales of Trump at his Trumpiest."
Coordinated attacks by RINOs today?

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 12:04 PM (sj3Ax)

594 Damn Ace. You can read my mind! This is the best I read from you. Made my day. (Yeah, I know doesn't take a lot these days.) But, hell you nailed it.

Posted by: Dickie Betts fan at January 22, 2016 12:04 PM (aUQgu)

595 >>>is the enemy of good, but so is bad.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 22, 2016 12:02 PM (9krrF)

Well now I'm convinced! Definitely not voting for Hillary : )

Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2016 12:04 PM (vmMMi)

596 The wit and wisdom of National Review:

Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones.

http://tinyurl.com/z2dldf3

Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and Reince Priebus say "hi."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 22, 2016 12:04 PM (sl+zA)

597
Trump equals bringing a gun to a gunfight.
Posted by: x

He's like bringing a Stielhandgranate to a cookie exchange party.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2016 12:04 PM (kdS6q)

598 So SCOTUS burned us on the ACA (yes) and gay marriage (meh) -- but what about all the other decisions that went our way the last seven years? Suddenly we don't care if we lose ALL SCOTUS decisions after Scalia and/or Kennedy die/retire during the next Administration and get replaced with young, far left ideologues? Mindless.

Posted by: Post-American at January 22, 2016 12:04 PM (Y8P5w)

599 A President Clinton enables the Republican establishment. Just like in Illinois, they will find ways to get crumbs and feed at the trough. A President Sanders might just blow up the whole country.

Cruz, Trump, or even a Rubio would hurt GOPe, provided GOPe didn't run the Senate and House.

Posted by: pointsnfigures at January 22, 2016 12:05 PM (hSpC/)

600 Hi back Chi. Stay warm. I love watching the snow come down as long as I'm inside my house and not behind the wheel of a car. Btw, Juno loves the snow. She eats it!

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 12:05 PM (2x3L+)

601 568 >>>> Also, I have seen a lot of comments about "new nics"... do you regulars think that is a good thing, or a bad thing?
Posted by: DJ at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (+2t20)
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new nics are always a good thing. At least we haven't had that many trolls recently.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 11:59 AM (2x3L+)

New nicks for old posters is a an act of self defense...

In fact.... its about time for me to change again as well....

Big Bad Wolf, formerly known as Romeo13

Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 22, 2016 12:05 PM (f7rv6)

602 used to give the subscription Rasmussen numbers every morning for Obama vs. Romney (who Dave in Fla then put into his tragically flawed unskewed poll site). Is that dude still around?

Anyway, I usually don't have much to comment about, but the past few days I've felt otherwise.
Posted by: VBJonny

______________

I lurked around then and also drank the Kool-Aid with his polling.

To be fair, every indicator looked bad for Obama on Election Day, and even really good pollsters like Michael Barone we're predicting a big Romney victory

Posted by: Carson at January 22, 2016 12:05 PM (nq/J2)

603 Thanks for reminder. Ever read David Schippers' book
"Sell Out" in which he chronicles the craven betrayals of GOP elite
during the Clinton investigation?

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2016 11:54 AM
+++
That was definitely a big tell. If they sold out the Constitution there--which they did--then selling everything else wouldn't require a second thought. Fvckers. An fvck me for not catching the tell and preaching. This "moment" could and should have been years ago.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 22, 2016 12:05 PM (g1MTt)

604 I'm glad Ace is with us on this.

It's like Riff hearing that Tony is going meet them at the dance.

"When you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way.."

Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2016 12:05 PM (Zs4uk)

605 @577...chi, I love snow. Watching it fall. Those large flakes are usually what we see (in Rockies) in the spring. I love snow because I don't have to drive in it until plowed. ha. I also only have to shovel the deck, the rest is up to husband.

Enjoy it (providing you are home, warm, with plenty of food and beverage of choice). xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (7lqMl)

606 New nics are good. The point is that we've been punching each others dicks for months over Trump/Cruz/Rubio.

Basically, it's like a guy who's seen a movie once telling the guy who's seen it 20 times that he doesn't know what the movie's about.
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 22, 2016 12:03 PM (sPO/s)

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Its even better when the topics here show up on social media.

Its like..... I face better players in practice than I do on the field.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (8XRCm)

607 A circular firing squad/circle jerk.

Congratulations, President Sanders.

Posted by: The Governor at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (ODqY5)

608

Rush...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (qCMvj)

609 http://tinyurl.com/j3b7oxl

I haven't read it but here's TWS article.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (sj3Ax)

610 OK, so Trump wins. And manages to piss off all the GOP in the process of doing so. How exactly will he get anything done?

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (VrQW9)

611 Ever hear of ACA? Constitutional, as per chief justice Roberts.
Howzabout gay marriage, decided by the supposedly conservative court?

Please, don't threaten us with what has already happened.
Posted by: OneEyedJack, wildly contorted in his chair at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (kKHcp)"

You mean the ACA that no Republicans voted for?

Yeah. That one. The one that a REPUBLICAN SCOTUS pick said was constitutional.

Which was was we were talking about. SCOTUS picks.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (gvGwC)

612 Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 11:55 AM (NOIQH)

It's a classic case of the losing mentality the establishment and their enablers have. Completely fvcking clueless as to how to even adopt a winning tactic, let alone execute it.

Is someone on your side fvcking up? That sucks, but redirect to the other guys. Media asking you to denounce the people on your side? Fvck you, here's why the other guys are exponentially worse.

Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations. The Donks do it all the time and - FORGET ELECTIONS - look whose policies we get. Even with a hostile media this works. And yet here we are, watching Republican monkeys fling shit at one another on stage, instead of the other guys (with a few bright exceptions), and the Establishment mouthpieces doing THE SAME SHIT.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (Wckf4)

613 Also, I have seen a lot of comments about "new nics"... do you regulars think that is a good thing, or a bad thing?

Posted by: DJ at January 22, 2016 11:53 AM (+2t20)

It's neutral. What the comment is referring to is when a new nic shows up and starts lecturing people, people who have been spending months explaining why that particular argument doesn't hold sway. And now new nic shows up with the same old argument.

We're actually pretty civilized - they didn't get the FY, NQ? right off the bat.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quench Your Fires with Ice Scream at the Outrage Outlet! at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (hLRSq)

614 Hell hath no fury like an ewok scorned.

Posted by: filbert at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (COMrr)

615 >>>You mean the ACA that no Republicans voted for? Those darned RINO traitors, not giving a single vote to the ACA. Selective memories abound.

they voted for it every year since. they were under no obligation to fund a past Congress' bullshit.

Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM (nFwvY)

616 "he'll laugh right in your faces while he "compromises" with the GOPe and the Democrats all day long to "get stuff done."

So did Reagan. That's how our government is suppose to work. By compromise.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 12:07 PM (LC/ka)

617

Rush, have you ever seen anything like it?

Party trying to take out the top two candidates.

heh.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 12:07 PM (qCMvj)

618 we'd rather Trump gets the nom, and loses, so that we can reassert our
primacy, than permit Cruz to win the primary and then maybe the general
(which would be a rebuke of the establishment).

Even when they're wrong they're nuts.

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 12:07 PM (DL2i+)

619 Of course there are matters on which there is no room for compromise. Of course. But I feel like I'm being pushed into the camp of NO NO NO NEVER ANYTHING BIPARTISAN EVER BAAAAD which yeah no.

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There is nothing inherently evil about compromise. It's just these last few decades the compromise has been that we get to bite the pillow and they get to fvck us up the ass.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 12:07 PM (Nwg0u)

620 The cynical part of me wants to think Ace is worried his heat will go out in this Biblical snowstorm New York is getting for its sins, and posted this big steaming pile of hate-bait red meat to get the blog servers all heated up.

Because they're in his bathroom, where all the pros put 'em!

Then I remember the servers are in a grass hut on Niue, and that blows THAT scenario.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 22, 2016 12:07 PM (DLu2s)

621 I'm glad Ace is with us on this.

It's like Riff hearing that Tony is going meet them at the dance.

"When you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way.."
Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2016 12:05 PM (Zs4uk)

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Remember when Ace would lecture us on "anger.... bad" and "wishcasting" and "electibilty".

Even Ewoks evolve.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 12:07 PM (8XRCm)

622 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo

Posted by: gewa76 at January 22, 2016 12:07 PM (9MbCY)

623
And what I think is that the establishment has to be destroyed.

At least you're really real. I always knew you were.

Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2016 12:08 PM (qUNWi)

624 I strongly urge everyone to listen to Rush today. Should be interesting.

Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at January 22, 2016 12:08 PM (rZJS9)

625 I want to like Cruz, but there's something about Him I don't like.

A certain oiliness, I think. But I'll gladly vote for him if he's the nominee. I'd prefer voting for him in the Trump/Cruz Landslide Victory of 2016.

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2016 12:08 PM (yddCj)

626 Although I've come to hate politics and I just despise reading the news now,

Wherein the Ewok, bless his furry balls, nails the conundrum of my life.

I've always been a politics and news junkie. It's infuriating lately and comes with a feeling of impotence.

I keep telling myself to get more interested in sports or something.

I love the threads that veer into the Outdoors, or sex tips from L, Elle.

I love you critters but the circular dick punching has a sameness to it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 22, 2016 12:08 PM (1xUj/)

627
Just wait. In six months, he'll be tweeting "Those Mexican immigrants? Can't get enough of them! Don't complain like Americans. Hard workers!"

So he'll be just like Juan Ellis "where the brown women at?" Bush.

But, yeah, I should vote for "proven conservative" !Jeb.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2016 12:08 PM (X6fMO)

628 Yeah, I also thought Romney would win. I remember Gallup having him up 7 about 10 days from election day.

What a depressing time. Not that things have gotten any better.

Posted by: VBJonny at January 22, 2016 12:09 PM (NX9H4)

629 The main reason mushy Reps give into the rats is that the MSM run stories that pressure them and make them feel guilty.
Trump is immune to the MSM.

Posted by: Avi at January 22, 2016 12:09 PM (R3Dac)

630 Rush has been trying to explain the Trump/Cruz phenomenon all this past week. I can probably sum up the "why" of their rise in two words: They fight.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2016 12:09 PM (Fmupd)

631 Posted by: Post-American at January 22, 2016 12:04 PM (Y8P5w)

Trying to figure out WHAT decisions went our way.

Free Speech? That money is speech? Now Big donors are swamping elections... PACs are running rampant...

It actually has helped CRONY Capitalism, by making Politicians more beholden to business than ever before...

don't know the solution on that one... but don't like the results...

Heller? Very limited win... they've slow rolled the results... often ignoring them... and here in California continue to pile on more anti gun laws.... Results have been minimal... you still need Government permission to exercise your Right.... and the Supremes AGREED with that idea...

Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 22, 2016 12:09 PM (f7rv6)

632 Philly newspeak... your car won't be 'towed' if you park on a snow emergency route, it will be 're-located'.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 22, 2016 12:09 PM (fbovC)

633 @564: Up until he sought the Democrat nod, Sanders was in favor of restricting immigration. Would you "conservatives," in your punch-drunk rage, have supported him?

Again, Sanders is hated by the establishment, believes what he says, and his present positions aren't that dissimilar from what Trump is promoting now. Hell, he could have even have been Trump's running mate. The Sanders campaign is opening courting Trump voters for a reason. Because they're not that different.

Posted by: Prof. Fido, Ph. D. at January 22, 2016 12:10 PM (cbsx0)

634 The new nics seem to hate Trump though and think anyone who likes him must hate Cruz too. You can like both and not be a heathen.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 12:10 PM (2x3L+)

635 B-b-b-but the GOP fights for you! Don't burn it down!

*gulp*

*ducks head in shell*

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 22, 2016 12:10 PM (lRwmz)

636 "Why would Republicans endorse Donald Trump , mommy?"

I had no answer. As the hot tears rolled down my 8 year old daughter's face , I reflected again on the innate cruelty of the world that would do this to a child.

She threw herself into my arms and I held her close as the sobs convulsed her tiny body.

" It hurts , mommy. It hurts so bad. "

I burst into tears of my own and cried out " I know darling, mommy knows." We held each other and wept for what seemed like hours.

Posted by: chi chi at January 22, 2016 12:10 PM (7H74V)

637 If the next POTUS (Trump, Cruz, whoever) can call up EPA and tell them 'you are all fired, get lost', I will be happy. They are being POS and giving my clients a really hard time..bastards.

Posted by: IC at January 22, 2016 12:10 PM (a0IVu)

638 Someone in a movie once said:

"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

So here we are.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (UhRGU)

639 But for now just insult me. Fools.

Posted by: Post-American at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (Y8P5w)

Calling someone a fool while complaining that you are being insulted by him is pretty rich.

*ahem*

"I'm sorry to hear about your accident - oh wait - that's your actual face? My sympathies."

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quench Your Fires with Ice Scream at the Outrage Outlet! at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (hLRSq)

640
You mean the ACA that no Republicans voted for?
Posted by: deepelemblues

Arlen Specter who? Rep Cao who? You need a vote of how to move a bill out of committee?

Really, move on to the next flashcard.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (kdS6q)

641 626 Start linking pictures of large breasted women and you can hijack any thread.

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (8HTq1)

642 The GOPe is going to back Trump. National Review is not the GOPe.

Posted by: Hatchet at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (zOBiw)

643 New nicks for old posters is a an act of self defense...

In fact.... its about time for me to change again as well....

Big Bad Wolf, formerly known as Romeo13

What are you talking about?

- Bandersnatch
- Frumious Bandersnatch
- Prufrock
- Prufrock's Mermaid
- Michael

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (1xUj/)

644 ***"But for now just insult me. Fools.

Posted by: Post-American at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (Y8P5w)"***

You're obviously not bothering to understand the argument, so that's when people start speaking your language.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (Wckf4)

645
Ace wrote, "And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily."

Been studying the dissolution of the Whigs. Passage of the Fugitive Slave Act in 1856 is what destroyed them, of course. By the time of the 1856 presidential election, the Whigs couldn't field a candidate and--since the Republican Party was still only in its formative, fledgling state--the Democrats won almost by default.Democrat JamesBuchanan's election in turn guaranteed theCivil War, a cataclysmic bloodbath from which one could argue we as a country never really fully recovered.

My point? There has already been a three-way party split within the GOP: Establishment, Conservatives, and Trump supporters (a populist movment which looks all in the world like a modern replica of the Know Nothings).
If history repeats itself (and it usually does), the Democrats, with Hillary or Bernie,will probably win again this time almost by default.

Destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat won't teach anybody anything, much less the elites--who will adapt and get along just fine, thanks. The only people humbled and chastised will be...us.

You guys watch too much fucking Star Wars. In real life, when the bad guy strikes you down, you don't become more powerful than the bad guy can possibly imagine. Youstay struck down and you don't get a cameo in the sequels because there are no sequels.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (Hz/9Y)

646 516 Posted by: donna at January 22, 2016 11:51 AM (/dSsq)
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It's in the sidebar Donna. Daily Caller (of all people) had an article earlier in the week about how State in fact was well aware of all the Hillary comms choices (specifically her non-secure Blackberry) and yet let her do this stuff. Apparently they didn't even file security audit exceptions, since those would have required a confrontation, and they made these decisions essentially at Huma's orders. Or something along those lines.

Another Pandoras Box problem, because the State InfoSec has been getting drilled lately by security audits and they're in trouble for many things, but this is especially bad.

Posted by: MTF at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (TxJGV)

647
TNR = The National Review
TNR = The New Republic

Just saying.

Posted by: Mega at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (hHFOx)

648 I love the threads that veer into the Outdoors, or sex tips from L, Elle.

I love you critters but the circular dick punching has a sameness to it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 22, 2016 12:08 PM (1xUj/)
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Yeah, L,Elle needs to come up with a new signature move.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (jR7Wy)

649 Message: I'm a populist.

Posted by: Jeb! new and improved at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (W0RfD)

650 I cannot support you in this, Ace. Elections matter. Policy matters. Ideology matters. A third term for the D's will flip the Supreme Court - and you simply cannot image what awfulness they will bring down upon us. Goodbye Citizens United. Goodbye Heller. Hello Court-enforced culture war.

Trump is a liberal in populist clothing. I do not and cannot support his candidacy. I agree with NR - against Trump. D.GOOCH

Posted by: GOOCH at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (cxLzw)

651 This is comical. You're not destroying the Establishment by helping elect Trump or a Democrat (but I repeat myself). Instead, they will see this embrace of Trump as exactly what it is, an abandonment of the so-called conservatism the grassroots has been agitating a return to. Why will the Establishment be hurt by this? They'll still exist...they'll make deals with whomever is in power, just as Trump says, and they'll be even less inclined to listen to conservative voters. Chastising them? Embarrassing them? Are you high?

Meanwhile, we have Ted Cruz- an actual conservative, hated by the establishment who WOULD actually turn it on its ear and demonstrate what the base wants in a nominee- playing catch up to a charlatan who inexplicably gets this ridiculous defense as the best hope to stick it to 'em.

Posted by: Chris at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (ZQ1LX)

652 I finally broke down and spent a dollar to touch Hillary's hump. Don't judge me, I had the time, an extra dollar, and she was in town. Anyhoo, the hump wasn't as scabby and rough as I thought it would be. However, the matted hair and foul odor was very off-putting. Shouldn't have wasted the dollar.

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (22uju)

653 Posted by: Chupacabra at January 22, 2016 12:03 PM (sPO/s)

Thanks,
and I get that. But isn't it good to find out where some of the
lurkers stand too? Some of us aren't trying to lecture to anyone. I guess the distinction (for the most part) is between the new nic lurkers and the defensive new nics.

Posted by: DJ at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (+2t20)

654 I've always been a politics and news junkie. It's infuriating lately and comes with a feeling of impotence.

I keep telling myself to get more interested in sports or something.

I love the threads that veer into the Outdoors, or sex tips from L, Elle.

I love you critters but the circular dick punching has a sameness to it.Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 22, 2016 12:08 PM (1xUj/)Preach it, brother. Sometimes it really feels as if the bile is burning inside you.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (X6fMO)

655 Also, Trump loses the general.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

Posted by: Hatchet at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (zOBiw)

656 Posted by: BurtTC at January 22, 2016 11:25 AM (TOk1P)'

Enjoy a permanent ascendant far left then.

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (JaVCz)

657 You made the homepage of Breitbart. The lead story on the homepage. Nicely done: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/22/ace-of-spades-against-the-establishment/

Posted by: Flubnut at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (nJfTV)

658 Start linking pictures of large breasted women and you can hijack any thread.

Revolvers vs automatics.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (evdj2)

659 After reading the comments I must admit that I've been put in my place.

I just have one question.

How far past the sell by date can you go on Pace Picante Sauce? I hate to throw it out if I can still use it.

Posted by: Wonderful Chun at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (ePB9l)

660 Well, OK. But SCOTUS will become the most liberal in history, and will likely stay so for a very, very long time.

I don't hate Trump. I just think he's a guarantee for 8 more years of Democratic control.

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (VrQW9)

661 Before announcing this cycle, I mean weeks before, Trump was going on about how Romney was nuts for his very aggressive deportation stance last election. Claimed that talking about "self-deportation" was crazy and would drive away Latino voters. Weeks later he was talking about illegal immigrant drug dealers and rapists and how they all had to be deported, no exceptions.

Please square that circle.

Seeing the light? Admitting to being wrong? How many people have changed their minds after seeing how bad illegal immigration/narco cartels are? Not counting border staters who have lived it for the last 30 years.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (gvGwC)

662 You said she lost this implying that she is a liar.

-
No. The basis of her lawsuit was that by denying her accusation, Cosby was implying that she was a liar and therefore he defamed her.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (Nwg0u)

663 48
It's pure lunacy that the National Review is being derided as part of
the GOP establishment...because they oppose Donald Trump. And the
accusation is coming from someone who admits to promoting things he
thought was wrong in order to support some greater good. How could
things be more backward? Conservatives have all become rightly enraged
that the Republican party has been abusing us all this time...but now
many have gone into this zombie rage and just started attacking anything
and eating each other just because we're there. Donald Trump is not
conservative. You can delight in him attacking the establishment, but
that doesn't mean you should want him to be President, or start thinking
he's conservative and ignore literally every piece of evidence out
there that he's just a self-serving dimwit with views much more
consistent with liberal Democrats than anything else.

Posted by: Matt at January 22, 2016 10:43 AM (XNeYD)
--------------------------------------This sums it up for me perfectly. Principles over party. Trump is a fraud elixer salesman who channels the anger against the establishment into a self serving campaign. The presidency is the crown jewel of Donald Trumps Ego driven life. He's bought and paid for time with politicians for decades. What's higher than the presidency? For God sakes, Trump gave $50000 to the dems in '06 to take the house and give Nancy Pelosi her gavel.

Posted by: Hunta Khan at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (+oR7L)

664 Start linking pictures of large breasted women and you can hijack any thread.
Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 12:11 PM (8HTq1)

-----

Somebodies waaaaatching you......

Cause Im a giver.

NSFW

http://tinyurl.com/gvc52jw

Youre Welcome.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 12:13 PM (8XRCm)

665 "Against the Establishment," "question authority," "speaking truth to power" -- damn, it's like the Sixties all over again, but we're the revolutionaries.

I could get used to this.

UP AGAINST THE WALL, MOTHERFU--

Oops, sorry, got a little carried away there. Method acting, and all that.

Posted by: Qoheleth at January 22, 2016 12:13 PM (iIzG7)

666 A link to this blog post is the top story at breitbart.com

Posted by: noone at January 22, 2016 12:13 PM (9pNWx)

667 For me it's not about Trump not being a conservative or even a moderate Republican but that he has adopted his present positions to fit the base he is courting and constantly revising his positions to make sure it continues to fit. And his supporters don't blink an eye. He is the canvas that they are using to paint their masterpiece of destruction and revenge.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 22, 2016 12:14 PM (khWYc)

668 It's not just Trump. As Ace said on Twitter, NRO doesn't want Cruz, either. It's Rubio or bust.

I'm just happy people are finally waking up to something I said for a while now. There IS a GOP Establishment media, and people like Hewitt and many members of NRO fit that bill.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 22, 2016 12:14 PM (tCjRC)

669 >>I love you critters but the circular dick punching has a sameness to it.

So...Banders not into dick-punching.
*makes notes*

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 12:14 PM (NOIQH)

670 @633 "what Trump used to be promoting", not "what Trump is promoting now."

Posted by: Prof. Fido, Ph. D. at January 22, 2016 12:14 PM (cbsx0)

671 With whom do we start?

Posted by: Golfman at January 22, 2016 12:14 PM (oxcYa)

672 Posted by: Chubby Chasin' Moron at January 22, 2016 11:58 AM (cbsx0)

Goog, good! Now, for extra credit you get to tell me how that's different than the last 16 fvcking years.

Ready....go!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2016 12:15 PM (Wckf4)

673 So Trump's rationale for winning is that he does so well in the primary polls. Yet he does worst head to head against the democrats.

I'm glad he and his supporters are consistent.

Posted by: VBJonny at January 22, 2016 12:15 PM (NX9H4)

674 When I started looking into Trump's children -
that's when I started realizing this is a man of substance despite the
TV personality stuff.

Posted by: Fyscyl Clyff at January 22, 2016 10:41 AM

++++

Two things had be being okay if his blustering schtick worked and he was in the running: (1) At least 5-7 years ago I saw him testify to the NY Port Authority on bids for a retro on the UN; he was sharp, smart and made good sense (look for it on YouTube, it is at least 45 minutes long IIRC); and, (2) a balanced article I read about his life, him and wives and kids and how particular he was in his time spent and work. Both left a very good impression on me.

As to his "liberal" or "democrat" past, he did biz in NYC so of course supported rats and people change when shown facts, eg, partial birth abortion. Moreover, I think he is honorable and will dance with those that brung him. And it won't be the anti-American lefty cock pockets and cvnt bubbles that are fvcking things up so royally.

That said, I cringe at the way he says things sometimes and was hoping that Cruz and he could unify. Still possible but the birther crap is entrenched and will always distract.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 22, 2016 12:15 PM (g1MTt)

675 When were you ever Michael, Bander?

And I'm not taking the bait from you or Eris and start talking about sex.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 12:15 PM (2x3L+)

676 UP AGAINST THE WALL, MOTHERFU--

Oops, sorry, got a little carried away there. Method acting, and all that.
Posted by: Qoheleth at January 22, 2016 12:13 PM (iIzG7)

----

Thats not how the song goes.

Posted by: Jerry Jeff Walker at January 22, 2016 12:15 PM (8XRCm)

677 Revolvers vs automatics.>>>

T vs A.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 22, 2016 12:15 PM (XtAzU)

678 I think what the GOPe are doing right now is trying to prove that they're relevant. This is really all it is. They cannot abide with losing so much perceived power in so short a time.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2016 12:15 PM (Fmupd)

679 How far past the sell by date can you go on Pace Picante Sauce? I hate to throw it out if I can still use it.
Posted by: Wonderful Chun at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (ePB9l)
---
I survived one that was a year past its "best if served by" date.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 22, 2016 12:15 PM (jR7Wy)

680 Yeah......the problem, Ace, is that, if not you, than rhe "insurgents" you now have common cause with, define "establishment" pretty broadly these days. To include people that yesterday you would consider "conservative."

You used to recognize this. I seem to recall YOU complaining about purity tests.

Posted by: Vyce at January 22, 2016 12:15 PM (HI7nL)

681 How far past the sell by date can you go on Pace Picante Sauce? I hate to throw it out if I can still use it.

Sell by dates are just for peak flavor. If it looks good and smells good, it probably won't kill you. Probably.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:16 PM (evdj2)

682 And let's not let the antiTrumpers to set us up for a fall when Trump can't meet THEIR standards and they proceed to start with the "see, see, see, we told you so told you so)

Trump isn't a savior nor is he all wise and all knowing.

I just want somebody to make a few good deals, stop the inward flow of illegals and jihadis who leech off our taxes and stop the outward flow of jobs with one sided trade agreements.

I think all those are doable and within reason.

Maybe make government less like organized crime maybe. That would be good.

Stop bowing to other government heads and stop helping Islam.

Maybe only help those who help themselves and who don't try to hurt us.

Common sense stuff that's been sorely missing for years. Even before Obama was elected.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 22, 2016 12:16 PM (Xo1Rt)

683 He hasn't been accused of rape. He has been accused of something just short of rape (definition of felony sexual assault). Women over 50 as a group seem to remember more rapes and assaults in their past than seems probable. Dead men they disliked and outer space aliens come up the most. Especially bitter women who talk about how everyone else caused them to run off most of their friends. Cosby definitely touched them. The question is did they acquiesce. Everyone seems to agree that they didn't encourage a dirty old man. Maybe someone crossed the time threads and everyone remembers correctly.

Posted by: scorecard at January 22, 2016 12:16 PM (kk/oj)

684 O/T -

Imperial One, I hear that Your Divine Malevolence is making a state visit to New England. Are you going to be anywhere near me?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2016 11:51 AM (X6fMO)

*waves*

I'm going to heading Up Yonder to visit Bander, 'tis true, though I don't think we're going to be able to get all the way up by you. More's the pity.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 12:16 PM (IrByp)

685 Trump folks seem to believe an invisible, silent horde will show up and vote him into office, facts be damned.

I guess you guys are fine with the country going even more hard left.

Posted by: Zeno at January 22, 2016 12:16 PM (VrQW9)

686 Great, the stupid party manages to throw an election to the worst democrats and the most easily beatable ever.
=========
Romney had nearly every tailwind to his back that a candidate needed to beat a weak incumbent.

And. He. Lost.

In the words of Lincoln: "I can't spare this man--he fights."

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 12:16 PM (fQ/0p)

687 You made the homepage of Breitbart. The lead story on the homepage. Nicely done:
Posted by: Flubnut at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (nJfTV)

fabulous!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (qCMvj)

688 >> Meanwhile, we have Ted Cruz- an actual conservative,
>> hated by the establishment who WOULD actually turn it on
>> its ear and demonstrate what the base wants in a nominee-
>> playing catch up to a charlatan who inexplicably gets this
>> ridiculous defense as the best hope to stick it to 'em.

I am really hoping Ted has a strategy for getting rid of Trump. I'm really hoping there's a silver bullet there.

In the general, I'll vote for Cruz over any Democrat. I'll vote for Rubio over any Democrat. I'll vote for Trump over Hillary.

If it comes down to Trump vs Bernie I might just sleep in, and I haven't missed a national election since 1980.

Posted by: JEM at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (o+SC1)

689 405
OK EVERY time I refresh HQ Firefox wants to tell me that it does not support DRM software.

Ace got a spy program working on us?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 22, 2016 11:33 AM (jJRIy)

It apparently has to do with the DRM software Firefox uses, which apparently can't handle the embedded msnbc video in this particular post:Beginning in version 38, Firefox desktop supports HTML5 playback of
DRM-controlled video and audio through the Adobe Primetime CDM. This CDM
implements a DRM system called Adobe Primetime, which was previously
available via the Adobe Flash plugin.
Some sites may use DRM that is not supported by Adobe Primetime CDM.
Support for viewing this content may require a third-party plugin.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (wtvvX)

690 ORANGE HAIR should be mandatory for future Presidents & ACE

Posted by: saf at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (qKiBT)

691 The Concern... she is thick.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (W0RfD)

692 In other news, I don't think I'm supposed to be able to hear it snowing.

I love that, but I like shoveling?

Posted by: DaveA at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (DL2i+)

693 Message: I'm a populist.

Posted by: Jeb! new and improved

You go, Jeb! Play your cards right and the coveted Martin O'Malley position will be all yours.

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (yddCj)

694 How far past the sell by date can you go on Pace Picante Sauce? I hate to throw it out if I can still use it.
Posted by: Wonderful Chun

the correct protocol is to buy a new jar and then hang someone from New York

Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (nFwvY)

695 687 You made the homepage of Breitbart. The lead story on the homepage. Nicely done:
Posted by: Flubnut at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (nJfTV)

fabulous!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (qCMvj)

Ace won't care. He knows they're just coming to read the comments.

Posted by: Iblis at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (9221z)

696 The GOPe can't be destroyed by threats that we'll sit out and let a Democrat be elected president.

They don't give a shit about who is president. They only care about having their offices in DC and going to parties and fucking interns and feathering their nests.

It is less work to be the party out of power. All the benefits with none of the responsibility.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 22, 2016 12:18 PM (t8P62)

697 Revolvers vs automatics.>>>

T vs A.

Maryann vs. Ginger

Posted by: Mortimer at January 22, 2016 12:18 PM (7H74V)

698 We need some protest music -

Fight the Power pt 1 and 2 by the Isley Brothers -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO2ebiuV3hU

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 22, 2016 12:18 PM (LUgeY)

699 371 Thanks. I was a moron long long before I went to NR over my little spat with Ace. We made peace and NR has irritated me and the Trump-bots swarming it have irritated me more. I thought I'd decamp and

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 12:18 PM (JaVCz)

700 >>they voted for it every year since. they were under no obligation to fund a past Congress' bullshit.

The vast majority of spending for the ACA is not discretionary. The Dems were smart enough to make most of the funding an entitlement like Medicare and thus not subject to Congressional funding.

You either repeal the act or on it goes. Defunding was never a real option.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2016 12:18 PM (Hxh2/)

701 Yeah......the problem, Ace, is that, if not you, than rhe "insurgents" you now have common cause with, define "establishment" pretty broadly these days. To include people that yesterday you would consider "conservative."

You used to recognize this. I seem to recall YOU complaining about purity tests.

Posted by: Vyce at

had something to do with masks falling on immigration

if you were a regular reader you would know that

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 12:18 PM (zOTsN)

702 ACE-

So you were an agenda-driven liar for years but we should TOTALLY trust you now?

Suuuuuure buddy

Posted by: Trumpy at January 22, 2016 12:18 PM (GSJcT)

703 Big Bad Wolf, formerly known as Romeo13
---------------------
Huh. I did not realize that.

L, Elle - Tucker isn't quite sure what to make of it, but loves running in it. If we get a few inches, he'll be in & out the doggeh door every few minutes.

Christy, thanks.
In fact, I AM home, and just opened a Henry's Hard Soda - Ginger Ale. This stuff is good, and might be dangerous. They make an orange soda too...

Posted by: Chi at January 22, 2016 12:18 PM (I7I0v)

704

Too bad they didn't use the skull and cross bones Ace log, versus the skeletal elephant (although, it's cool too), over a Breitbart.

Ace of Spades: Against The Establishment... Joy Reid Makes More Sense Than National Review

http://www.breitbart.com/

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 12:19 PM (qCMvj)

705
A link to this blog post is the top story at breitbart.com
Posted by: noone

Hence the new Disques friends flooding in.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2016 12:19 PM (kdS6q)

706 Again, Sanders is hated by the establishment, believes what he says, and his present positions aren't that dissimilar from what Trump is promoting now.

Srsly? $15.00/hr min wage. Free college?

When and where has Trump EVER said that?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 12:19 PM (gvGwC)

707 And the birther 'crap' is more important and factual than many want to admit.

There are some legalities that need clarification. If not now then it will come in the general. You KNOW the Democrats would've brought it up. That guy Alan somebody in Florida long ago said he was going to sue if Cruz become the GOP nominee.

So maybe that needs to be cleared up before the convention.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 22, 2016 12:19 PM (Xo1Rt)

708 T vs A.

A all the way.

Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2016 12:19 PM (qUNWi)

709 I think I am going to have bacon and eggs for dinner...

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 12:20 PM (8HTq1)

710 697 Revolvers vs automatics.>>>

T vs A.

Maryann vs. Ginger

Long bow v crossbow.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 12:20 PM (gvGwC)

711 Crossbow. Those who disagree, suck cock by choice.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:20 PM (evdj2)

712 When were you ever Michael, Bander?

And I'm not taking the bait from you or Eris and start talking about sex.
Posted by: L, Elle

Back around 2007. It was a super-imaginative nic because my name is Michael.

I've taken two and three year hiatuses from commenting here and there.

And you WANT to talk to us about sex. You NEED to talk to us about sex.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 22, 2016 12:20 PM (1xUj/)

713 So you were an agenda-driven liar for years but we should TOTALLY trust you now?

Suuuuuure buddy
Posted by: Trumpy at January 22, 2016 12:18 PM (GSJcT)

-----

Hey .... Ive argued with Ace on some of those very things. Argued so hard I think he banned the IP used to use at McDonlads....

But dont kick him in the nuts. Open your arms and say... "welcome to the party man...."

Posted by: Jerry Jeff Walker at January 22, 2016 12:21 PM (8XRCm)

714 Kelly had a group of them on her show last night. I saw it at The Right Scoop & have no intention of watching.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 12:21 PM (sj3Ax)

715 You either repeal the act or on it goes. Defunding was never a real option.

Posted by: JackStraw

Pretty convenient for us, don't you think?

Posted by: Party of DC at January 22, 2016 12:21 PM (W0RfD)

716 Dear Mr. O' Spades,

You are hereby formally disinvited from our annual Conservative (tm) Cruise .

Good day , sir!

Sincerely ,

The Editors

Posted by: NRO at January 22, 2016 12:21 PM (7H74V)

717 Maryann vs. Ginger
Posted by: Mortimer
---------------
Bailey.

Posted by: Chi at January 22, 2016 12:21 PM (I7I0v)

718 My God its full of....

brand new commenters that all sound exactly the same

Posted by: Mega at January 22, 2016 12:21 PM (hHFOx)

719
off Redneck mother sock.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 12:21 PM (8XRCm)

720 ...deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness...

Posted by: scorecard at January 22, 2016 12:21 PM (kk/oj)

721 ***"He's like bringing a Stielhandgranate to a cookie exchange party."***

***Irony. Like silvery, only rust colored."***

I've seen so many literary nuggets like these in the AoSHQ comments section that will be lost, like...tears...in the rain.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2016 12:21 PM (Wckf4)

722 The National Review condemnation is dumb for fixating on getting illegals out of the country. They cask, and it isn't. It is simply a matter of doing what other countries do and requiring foreigners to carry their passport at all times, and be ready to show their document upon demand. If a foreigner (non-green card holder) tries to get a job, their visa status has to be verified. Similarly, if they rent housing, check into a hotel, whatever, their status has to be checked. Local police have to be informed of residence. Not a big deal at all-- It's what every other advanced country does (pre-Schengen Agreement Europe included). Try to overstay a visa in Australia, Brazil or China by even one day, I dare you.

People who overstay their Visas will self-enforce renewal rules or get themselves out of the country asap. Easy-peasy.

All it takes is a willingness to enforce the law.

Posted by: MTF at January 22, 2016 12:21 PM (TxJGV)

723 A link to this blog post is the top story at breitbart.com
Posted by: noone

Second worst to a Drudgealanch.

Posted by: dagny at January 22, 2016 12:22 PM (JaVCz)

724 Sell by dates are just for peak flavor. If it looks good and smells good, it probably won't kill you. Probably.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:16 PM (evdj2)

I highly recommend stilltasty.com.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 12:22 PM (IrByp)

725 well

now we will be flooded

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 12:22 PM (zOTsN)

726
National Review only did overtly what the Wall Street Journal has being doing subvertly for years.

No, subvertly isn't a word. Do I care? No.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 22, 2016 12:22 PM (g99AB)

727 T vs A.

Maryann vs. Ginger

Isn't this really the same argument?

Posted by: NRO at January 22, 2016 12:22 PM (7H74V)

728 You mean the ACA that no Republicans voted for? Those darned RINO traitors, not giving a single vote to the ACA. Selective memories abound.

Marbles = lost. Elect more Democrats. Elect Trump, burn it all down, on the same day that Trump cozies up to the establishment that Ace and the rest allegedly need to burn down because they're traitors.

Posted by: deepelemblues at January 22, 2016 11:59 AM (MZgvM)

Classic case of underestimating others. Also, making assumptions on who you think I support.
Your concern is duly noted.

However, I would point out that those 42 votes to repeal ACA came in the House knowing they would die in a Hairy Reed Senate.
When the opportunity came to make a difference, like when the Senate turned R, no such bills came from the House.
In fact, when the R's as a whole take impeachment off the table and promise not to "shut down the government", they've effectively neutered themselves.
No wonder they got rolled.
But yes, you're right. Let's keep voting for more of that "Leadership".

Posted by: OneEyedJack, wildly contorted in his chair at January 22, 2016 12:22 PM (kKHcp)

729 I don't like it when you guys change nics and just expect us to figure it out. It's confusing. At least change it to something close to your old nic like Shredded Chi to Chi. Not Flatbush Joe to Costanza Defense or add a tag line like "the poster formerly known as"

Posted by: L, Elle at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (2x3L+)

730 Actually some of the newbies are posing some interesting counter arguments to which I would like to respond but the flood has overwhelmed me, and I missed Limbaugh's opening remarks.

Posted by: Wonderful Chun at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (ePB9l)

731 687 You made the homepage of Breitbart. The lead story on the homepage. Nicely done:
Posted by: Flubnut at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (nJfTV)

fabulous!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (qCMvj)

Kudos to Ace!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (gvGwC)

732 The JEB, Christie, Rubio, etc have all told us they will not only support, but fight for leftwing positions.

Trump seems to have had leftwing political positions, but has strongly argued for at least a few conservative positions on important issues in this campaign - even when the intelligentsia claimed it would destroy his campaign.

Cruz has pretty much maintained conservative positions throughout his political career...and seems willing to fight for them whoever it pisses off - and he does piss off all the right people...

It seems pretty clear that voting for JEB or the establishment circus is throwing your vote away - presuming you don't want leftwing policies enabled.

Cruz seems the rational conservative choice. Trump is more of a stretch but *clearly* better then the establishment clowns.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (X7E8f)

733 " I cannot support you in this, Ace. Elections matter. Policy matters. Ideology matters. A third term for the D's will flip the Supreme Court"

Ooooh...the Supreme Court...

This argument makes me laugh. Where have you been for the last 30 years? They always get a Roberts, Kennedy, or Sandra Day O'Connor to get their way.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (LC/ka)

734 I highly recommend stilltasty.com.

I kept reading that as stillnasty.com.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (evdj2)

735 I was gone for a bit. But yes, if Mike Lee and Trey Gowdy support paul ryan then yes they are part of the establishment oligarchy. If you can't look at paul ryan and think how he faked his conservatism forever, then you can't see others will do it too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (ODxAs)

736 off

Posted by: Mortimer at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (7H74V)

737 725 well

now we will be flooded

Where's my pants?!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 12:24 PM (gvGwC)

738 722 "They cask, and it isn't"

was supposed to be

"They call it an Herculean task, and it isn't."

Don't know why those characters were eliminated, except to say it happens a lot with this fricking annoying Dell computer.

Posted by: MTF at January 22, 2016 12:24 PM (TxJGV)

739 I kept reading that as stillnasty.com.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (evdj2)

----

Try typing that into google.

I dare you.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 22, 2016 12:24 PM (8XRCm)

740 I misread where the snow storm was headed and thought it was the SE. Got to the store and there was plenty of milk, bread, and eggs.

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at January 22, 2016 12:24 PM (22uju)

741 Second worst to a Drudgealanch.

We should've had one earlier. Insty's place linked to another Ace post this morning.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 22, 2016 12:24 PM (LUgeY)

742 I don't like it when you guys change nics and just expect us to figure it out. It's confusing. At least change it to something close to your old nic like Shredded Chi to Chi. Not Flatbush Joe to Costanza Defense or add a tag line like "the poster formerly known as"

Or just keep your number.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:24 PM (evdj2)

743 In what universe is Glenn Beck an intellectual? Erick Erikson?

What a joke.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 22, 2016 12:24 PM (4ErVI)

744 I've been here for years myself, but I changed my nic from the original 'Totally Conservative Pants Crease Pervert' a number of times.

Posted by: David Brooks at January 22, 2016 12:24 PM (DLu2s)

745 So Trump-voting is a tantrum, then.

It is to serve no useful purpose, then.

Because Trump is the shit sandwich.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2016 12:25 PM (Xd2w5)

746 So you were an agenda-driven liar for years but we should TOTALLY trust you now?

Suuuuuure buddy
Posted by: Trumpy at January 22, 2016 12:18 PM (GSJcT)

This is odd.

I never "trust" anyone, but, rather, listen to what others say and come to my own conclusions.

Ace is great for getting the wheels turning, whether you agree with him or not.

Do you honestly think Ace is here to persuade you to be or think like him?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 12:25 PM (qCMvj)

747 Posted by: x at January 22, 2016 11:12 AM (nFwvY)

Cruz has proposed a wall. Are you even paying attention?

Posted by: Boone at January 22, 2016 12:25 PM (vq6QR)

748 I kept reading that as stillnasty.com.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor
with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (evdj2)
That's the website I have dedicated to my cooter.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at January 22, 2016 12:25 PM (GUBah)

749 Hmmmm... time for a nic change...

And I really feel like I've been tilting at windmills for years... soooo....

Posted by: Don Quixote, formerly BB Wolf, formerly Romeo13... at January 22, 2016 12:25 PM (f7rv6)

750 I prefer a cask to a task

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 12:25 PM (zOTsN)

751 So now no one will come to this place anymore because it's too crowded?

Posted by: Yogi Bandersnatch at January 22, 2016 12:25 PM (1xUj/)

752 I just realized (maybe I'm slow) but Trump still has a pretty huge play left to juice his numbers:

All he has to do is pick a fight with McConnall and Ryan. A big, public dustup over how horrible they've been in advancing conservative policies but they'be been great at advancing Obama's.

and if he picks that fight, it neutralizes the "he won't fight the GOPe" argument, doesn't it?

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 12:25 PM (fQ/0p)

753 I honestly don't understand why people invest so much in this stupid auto-taxonomy.
Duh! Because hunters like trophies, ace. Like that Cecil the Lion guy.

Posted by: joey biden at January 22, 2016 12:25 PM (DLIIY)

754
What irritates me the most about National Review and the WSJ and Weakly Standard is their refusal to come out of the closet and admit they are Big Government.

Instead, they insist they are Conservative, which is preposterous. They are quite clearly and unequivocally homosexual, er, I mean, Progressive.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 22, 2016 12:26 PM (g99AB)

755
I cannot support you in this, Ace. Elections matter. Policy matters. Ideology matters. A third term for the D's will flip the Supreme Court - and you simply cannot image what awfulness they will bring down upon us. Goodbye Citizens United. Goodbye Heller. Hello Court-enforced culture war.

As if SCOTUS candidates put up by a President Cruz would have a chance of being confirmed by the treasonous fuckweasel Democrats and the fold-like-a-cheap-suit GOP.

As if the Dems wouldn't shoot down any SCOTUS candidate a GOP president would put up.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2016 12:26 PM (X6fMO)

756
709 I think I am going to have bacon and eggs for dinner...
Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 12:20 PM (8HTq1)

-----------------

Bacon and eggs is the universal meal. Anytime is a good time for bacon and eggs.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2016 12:26 PM (Fmupd)

757 >> Srsly? $15.00/hr min wage. Free college?
>>
>> When and where has Trump EVER said that?

You're focusing on details, and Trump doesn't generally do them. The art of the deal, and all that - we really DON'T know what he's going to do.

Right now I'm waiting to see how hard Bernie sucks up to the ethnic vote.

You've got a guy from damn near the whitest state in the Union running against the Queen of Pander, I'm waiting to see how he gets down with the hood by committing to more black Cabinet officials than Obama and Section 8 Everywhere.

Posted by: JEM at January 22, 2016 12:26 PM (o+SC1)

758 731 687 You made the homepage of Breitbart. The lead story on the homepage. Nicely done:
Posted by: Flubnut at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (nJfTV)

fabulous!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 22, 2016 12:17 PM (qCMvj)

Kudos to Ace!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (gvGwC)

Yeah, Breitbart. Jesus, have you seen that place lately?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 22, 2016 12:26 PM (Xd2w5)

759 Got back from panic buying - not as packed as I expected. People, they disappoint me.

Posted by: @votermom at January 22, 2016 12:26 PM (cbfNE)

760 Mounds Vs Almond Joy.

Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2016 12:27 PM (qUNWi)

761 the GOPe doesn't care if a democrat is elected in the national elections. That is a fallback position for them as it most likely insures the gravy trains still run on time, and they are assured access to lobbyists. A genuine conservative being elected would upset all that.

Posted by: fgun at January 22, 2016 12:27 PM (xvk6q)

762 >>Seeing the light? Admitting to being wrong? How many people have changed their minds after seeing how bad illegal immigration/narco cartels are? Not counting border staters who have lived it for the last 30 years.

As I said, it happened in a matter of a couple weeks earlier this year. Trump just noticed that illegal immigration was a problem this year? C'mon.

I don't hate Trump but I do know what he is. He is the ultimate used car salesman and he changes depending on what is popular at the moment. He's not some principled fighter unless the principle is what is good for Trump.

I truly do not get how people who used to be so reflexively conservative that they would flush any candidate who didn't pass a 100% purity for all time test now think Trump is the answer when like a year ago Cruz was a conservative god. If people truly believe as Rush likes to say that conservatism always wins whenever it is on the ballot then why not Cruz to take on the establishment?

He maybe Eddie Haskell but hard to argue he isn't a consistent conservative.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2016 12:27 PM (Hxh2/)

763 Nood.

Posted by: HH at January 22, 2016 12:27 PM (DrCtv)

764
new nic?

Posted by: Totally not fixable at all - FNA fixerupper at January 22, 2016 12:27 PM (8XRCm)

765 La Nood Crazy Trump

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 22, 2016 12:27 PM (jR7Wy)

766 The leading edge of the Snownado has crossed my town.

Omigod omigod omigod

*runs around like proverbial chicken*

what do I do whaddoido????

*whack runs into door jamb*

*thud falls on floor*

Well at least this is what the Weather people are trying for anyway.

I was brought up during the tiny cooling during the '50's in Indiana. This storm is nothing, nothing I say to compare with what was normal then.

Pshaw.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 22, 2016 12:27 PM (Xo1Rt)

767 Dya think DailyKos ever has internal debates like this?

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 22, 2016 12:27 PM (Uq9ly)

768 Nood Shouty Thread

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:27 PM (evdj2)

769 So Trump-voting is a tantrum, then.

It is to serve no useful purpose, then.

Because Trump is the shit sandwich.

Posted by: AmishDude

its shit sandwiches all the way down. GOPe is focused on destroying Cruz

there is only one party, the uni party

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 22, 2016 12:27 PM (zOTsN)

770 I kept reading that as stillnasty.com.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:23 PM (evdj2)

*shifty eyes*

I would never go to a site like that.

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (IrByp)

771 681 How far past the sell by date can you go on Pace Picante Sauce? I hate to throw it out if I can still use it.

Sell by dates are just for peak flavor. If it looks good and smells good, it probably won't kill you. Probably.

And highly acidic picante sauce? Probably a good month after it's sell by date if it hasn't been opened or it has been refrigerated.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (gvGwC)

772 Posted by: Wonderful Chun at January 22, 2016 12:12 PM (ePB9l)

Hayfield may call you a piker...

Speaking of expiration dates, I have a large jar of Pace Picante sauce that is three years out of date.

osted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 11, 2015 08:47 AM (+Cb51)

Posted by: Golfman at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (oxcYa)

773 I'm voting Will Smith for biggest hen-pecked, pussy-whipped, lick spittle of the year. An Oscar worthy performance indeed.

Posted by: dananjcon at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (NpXoL)

774 756 Indeed.

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (8HTq1)

775 So every now and then there's a flip and the major parties sort of change places or one simply goes out of existence. Happened at least twice in the history of the Republic. Maybe it's happening again.

Posted by: Caliban at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (DrC22)

776 I guess you guys are fine with the country going even more hard left.

Dude, trump and hillary may very well make the exact same decisions, and maybe cruz for all we know. Many of the trump people just want to stick a fork in the eye of the GOP for being lying weasels for decades. I don't think many of them are suffering from dillusions of a new Reagan.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (ODxAs)

777 "...I am supporting Trump with full recognition of his limitations, fallibilities and historic inconsistencies. I think, on balance, he will restore common sense and a patriotic mission to the governmental project...". Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2016 11:39 AM (s/yC1)

I also understand Tinkerbell can be brought back from the dead if you just wish it hard enough. Because magical thinking is just awesome.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (Hz/9Y)

778 751 So now no one will come to this place anymore because it's too crowded?
Posted by: Yogi Bandersnatch
-----------------
Meh. Makes for easier groping, so we have that going for us.

Posted by: Chi at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (I7I0v)

779 Why do I get the feeling a whole shit load of people in DC are suddenly afraid of losing their meal tickets?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (W0RfD)

780 I prefer a cask to a task

I prefer a cask to a casket.

And I bet Buzzion did too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (LUgeY)

781 "I prefer a cask to a task"

And I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

Posted by: Qoheleth at January 22, 2016 12:28 PM (iIzG7)

782 If Cruz can't handle the birther crap then he isn't qualified to run for President. Obama handled it. Also the race card and the rich card. Romney failed. Doesn't matter how good a president someone would be if they can't get elected. Obama and Carter prove that a bad President can be elected.

Posted by: scorecard at January 22, 2016 12:29 PM (kk/oj)

783 ***"You guys watch too much fucking Star Wars. In real life, when the bad
guy strikes you down, you don't become more powerful than the bad guy
can possibly imagine. Youstay struck down and you don't get a cameo in
the sequels because there are no sequels."***

You're the only one making shitty movie parallels. We're not talking about the same guy getting back up again. It's about getting a new guy. That should be obvious after the 4,367th time it's been said.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2016 12:29 PM (Wckf4)

784 I'm going to heading Up Yonder to visit Bander, 'tis true, though I don't think we're going to be able to get all the way up by you. More's the pity.Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at January 22, 2016 12:16 PM (IrByp)**waves back**If you don't mind, shoot me an e-mail through my nic. I'd love to come down and meet you two for a drink, depending on where you're going to be.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2016 12:29 PM (X6fMO)

785 >> As if the Dems wouldn't shoot down any SCOTUS candidate
>> a GOP president would put up.

Certainly try to do so.

So the question is: what's the right response from a President?

Roll over and appoint more Anthony Kennedys?

Or threaten to shut down every Federal facility in Kentucky unless Turtle grows a pair?

Posted by: JEM at January 22, 2016 12:29 PM (o+SC1)

786 Admit it: you're actually not conservatives. No matter how much you loudly proclaiming otherwise, you're still Republicans, pissed off Republicans pretending to be conservatives.
=========

LULZ!!

Damnation and tarnation!! We've been found out boys!! Run!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 12:30 PM (fQ/0p)

787 So Trump-voting is a tantrum, then.

It is to serve no useful purpose, then.

Because Trump is the shit sandwich.

But Trump has what plants crave. He's got electrolytes!

Posted by: gewa76 at January 22, 2016 12:30 PM (9MbCY)

788 Ace had Pixy fixed the clock? I noticed now.
TWS article seems to attack Trump & Cruz & I'm on page 1!

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 12:30 PM (sj3Ax)

789
Maryann vs. Ginger
Posted by: Mortimer

Marilyn vs Sophia.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2016 12:31 PM (X6fMO)

790 "Sell by dates are just for peak flavor. If it looks good and smells good, it probably won't kill you. Probably.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 22, 2016 12:16 PM"

I *so* hope you're right.

Posted by: Huma at January 22, 2016 12:33 PM (c10sF)

791 Go ahead Ace, you show them. Elect a democrat. Do exactly what they want anyway.

The democrats cleared their table for the establishment favorite. And the republicans did the same. Except for those who aren't the establishment. And don't tell me Trump isn't establishment. Someone tell me his 'real' policies. Not the reality TV answers he's given. Show me some substance of his that isn't democratic.

The result will be the same with a democrat, establishment stooge, or Trump. The U.S. goes bye-bye. The world returns to a pre-Christian Roman feudal existence.

And if those elites manage to control military or wmd, that second amendment and all those it protected and carry arms will be useless. A feudal mentality won't hesitate to wipe out areas of existence with wmd.

Posted by: heartofdarkness at January 22, 2016 12:33 PM (MQ0Jr)

792 Destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat won't teach anybody anything, much less the elites--who will adapt and get along just fine, thanks. The only people humbled and chastised will be...us.

Point of order: You stopped your example just before the point that the newborn Republican party took the Congress and White House in 1860 and dominated Washington for a generation thereafter.

Just, y'know, pointing that fact out there.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 22, 2016 12:33 PM (9krrF)

793 "Posted by: chi chi at January 22, 2016 12:10 PM (7H74V)"
======

A classic! <3

Posted by: Kensington at January 22, 2016 12:33 PM (7Kbxu)

794 Looks like Liz Mair finally got Stop Donald Trump Super Pac. I think it's her, she started a few months ago, set up a Go Fund Me acct & pulled it by 6 am the next morning.

There's nothing "about us" in homepage.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2016 12:33 PM (sj3Ax)

795 Dude, trump and hillary may very well make the exact same decisions, and maybe cruz for all we know. Many of the trump people just want to stick a fork in the eye of the GOP for being lying weasels for decades. I don't think many of them are suffering from dillusions of a new Reagan.

From past experience, I know exactly what I'll get for my vote for Rubio, Yeb!, Chrispy, or Katshik: more of the same leftward lurch I've been getting for about the past 15 years good and hard.

I rather doubt Cruz would drag us leftward, but I no longer think he's electable. Which brings me to Donald Trump's Hair. I have no idea what he'll do once in office, but he can't possibly be any worse than the imbeciles who run DC today.

And if DT'sH is worse, then we get to watch it burn. I don't see how we can lose since...

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 22, 2016 12:33 PM (LUgeY)

796 >>Yeah, Breitbart. Jesus, have you seen that place lately?

Every comment thred IS the Barrel.
Even the AoS Barrel is scared of that nest of snakes.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 22, 2016 12:34 PM (NOIQH)

797 Oh I see. Because the NRO people live in DC and have a few college degrees that are too 'elite' they must be banished now too? Cut off your nose to spite your face. Does that include Goldberg, McCarthy, Bozell?

Posted by: Alix at January 22, 2016 12:34 PM (MpfHK)

798 ...he will restore common sense...

I just want him to fire some federal workers. Especially in the VA. Also I want him to convert their retirement packages to Social Security. Retroactively. I want Lois Lerner to get the maximum retirement payment from Social Security. The absolute maximum that anyone can get from regular Social Security. (not any special higher rate for insiders)

Posted by: scorecard at January 22, 2016 12:35 PM (kk/oj)

799 "Trump isn't a savior nor is he all wise and all knowing.
I just want somebody to make a few good deals, stop the inward flow of illegals and jihadis who leech off our taxes and stop the outward flow of jobs with one sided trade agreements.

I think all those are doable and within reason."

^^^
This.

Trump (and Palin) really make people lose their minds. Another reason I like them. Lol.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 12:35 PM (LC/ka)

800 What I find depressing is that people have been explaining why they support Trump, and instead of listening to the explanations and thinking "hey, if we do x, y, and z we can take the wind out of his campaign sails" all I hear is "you can't like Trump, you have to do this so get in line."

If you don't have the common courtesy to listen to me, why should I extend you that courtesy? Who are you to make demands of me?

It's like reading about the Bourbon aristocracy in the last days of the French monarchy.

(And note - I'm usually polite here at the old HQ.)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 22, 2016 12:36 PM (hLRSq)

801 "Does it strike anyone as odd that Obama consistently lost in
negotiation to every leader/country he tried to negotiate with globally
while he pretty much ran the table with the Republicans."

Close the thread. It's been won.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2016 12:37 PM (noWW6)

802 Ace thinks just like I do, only more eloquently. Just wish I was as good at putting it in writing as he is.

I've been saying it for a while...there is no peaceful solution. No matter how things turn out, people are going to be hurt. Might as well do the hurting ourselves. We either win, or take as many of them with us as we can.

Posted by: Blano at January 22, 2016 12:37 PM (sdPF/)

803 Eight more years of democrats controlling everything.
I thought the GOP had the House and Senate??? That you can't tell the difference explains the need for Trump.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 22, 2016 12:37 PM (DLIIY)

804 ...must be banished...

You are known by the company you keep. I work for a company that I believe is owned by Satan. I try to avoid their products and pray for God's protection when I can't.

Posted by: scorecard at January 22, 2016 12:37 PM (kk/oj)

805
So everyone's still going with "If we just elect the right person..."?

Unless that person can turn decades of fake paper into cash and
convince a majority of the public that, "No, you do not want free
stuff", I don't see that going anywhere.

Now if they promise that they have magic beans...

Posted by: Damiano at January 22, 2016 11:37 AM (XItbt)

Interesting - another understands the situation. The level of anger/anxiety for "this, that or the other candidate" should be tempered by the fact that math is in charge now - doesn't matter who is in the big seat. The outcome is set - only the timing is tbd.

Posted by: phaedrus at January 22, 2016 12:39 PM (u1kY2)

806 ...only more eloquently...

Is there a prize for brown nosing? :-)

Posted by: scorecard at January 22, 2016 12:39 PM (kk/oj)

807 So the NRO is all in for Rubio.

The guy who lied to his base and told them he was teaparty and against amnesty but then ran to the Gang of 8 faster than Hairy Reid's snapping exercise band to his head.

Open borders, ineligible president, Schumer buddy, lazy non-voter, etc.

Yeah, and Trump's the non-conservative...Bwhaaaa

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 12:40 PM (LC/ka)

808 "Does it strike anyone as odd that Obama consistently lost in
negotiation to every leader/country he tried to negotiate with globally
while he pretty much ran the table with the Republicans."

You think he lost? That's assuming he was on America's side in those negotiations.

Posted by: gewa76 at January 22, 2016 12:42 PM (9MbCY)

809 "56 So.....F#$% you, WAR!?

Breitbart was right, and so are you, Ace.?

Yeah, Andrew was right.

He called Trump a fucking joke years before NRO did.

Posted by: Fringe at January 22, 2016 12:42 PM (+GIZJ)

810 634 re new nics

I am pretty new. Not clever as those who have been posting for a long time; but I enjoy your comments and like to post my two cents every now and then.

And I will vote for Donald J Trump--mainly because both my House rep and my senators have lied to me about their "conservatism" and voted against my interest

Posted by: Dickie Betts fan at January 22, 2016 12:43 PM (aUQgu)

811 Welcome to the (non)Party, pal.

Posted by: MlR at January 22, 2016 12:44 PM (k4rgc)

812 The 'War on Terror' was the latest and greatest of the really important distractions they used to sell this shit.

Posted by: MlR at January 22, 2016 12:44 PM (k4rgc)

813 "Cruz has proposed a wall. Are you even paying attention?"

Only AFTER Trump said it first. Before that he was for 'middle ground' with the Gang of 8.

I've posted the article here before.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 12:45 PM (LC/ka)

814 My two cents: I have an NRO subscription and am not dropping it, I don't want Trump either. I'm a Cruz supporter, he's a conservative with a record of fighting McConnell. Having said that, I'll vote for Trump or any Repub over the Dem nominee.

It's odd they would take an action that got them kicked out of s GOP debate, seems pretty dumb.

Posted by: waelse1 at January 22, 2016 12:45 PM (0jB6V)

815 Some one posted yesterday that the reason security has been so lax, is because they all do it.

This country is always a joke in security. We allow our enemies to infiltrate all aspects of our government and have done so for almost 100 years.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 22, 2016 12:45 PM (iQIUe)

816 811

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Posted by: Dickie Betts fan at January 22, 2016 12:46 PM (aUQgu)

817 ...doesn't matter who is in the big seat..,
John Bell Hood
Stonewall Jackson
James Longstreet
George Edward Pickett

All top commanders. Who do you pick out to lead the charge?

Posted by: scorecard at January 22, 2016 12:47 PM (kk/oj)

818 I want the most conservative Republican who can win. Trump is neither conservative nor electable. You've been warned, repeatedly, but you still don't get it, or don't care. You hate the "establishment," so you're going with the worst possible candidate, one who will guarantee a far left takeover of our country's institutions for the rest of our lives and probably forever. Think "UK." Some day, when it is far too late, you will realize this too. But for now just insult me. Fools.
Posted by: Post-American at January 22, 2016 11:56 AM (Y8P5w)
============
OH NOEZ!!!!

The scales have fallen from my eyes!!

No. Wait.

I already fucking know that.

What you don't know--and fail to grasp--is that some of us are smart enough to see that the current trajectory places us firmly on the path of horribles you think you're warning against. Indeed, we are already well down that road.

So the choices are: Fire now, fire a little later or this stupid hail mary that might work.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2016 12:48 PM (fQ/0p)

819 ...only more eloquently...

Is there a prize for brown nosing? :-)

Posted by: scorecard at January 22, 2016 12:39 PM (kk/oj)

I'm angling for a lifetime Get Out Of Barrel Free card.

Posted by: Blano at January 22, 2016 12:49 PM (sdPF/)

820 ...Cruz has proposed a wall...

McCain said he would build our dam fence.

Posted by: scorecard at January 22, 2016 12:50 PM (kk/oj)

821 " I cannot support you in this, Ace. Elections matter. Policy matters. Ideology matters. A third term for the D's will flip the Supreme Court"

Haha...we might even get gay marriage and Obamacare if we don't stop Trump.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 22, 2016 12:53 PM (LC/ka)

822 Nood Trump 'deals' thread from Ace.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 22, 2016 12:55 PM (DLIIY)

823 Exactly. Sometimes you have to hoist the black flag, spit on your hands, and begin slitting throats. Or so I've heard...

Posted by: Jack_Savage at January 22, 2016 12:56 PM (HA16t)

824 Supporting Trump in order to crush the Establishment when there is an actual conservative running who has a chance to win = throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Uh oh. I guess I'm Establishment now.

Posted by: Myself at January 22, 2016 01:03 PM (5wiU6)

825 @818 So the choices are: Fire now, fire a little later or this stupid hail mary that might work.

hah, laughed at that one!!! it's like a thread winner!!!

Posted by: FredB at January 22, 2016 01:05 PM (XfijF)

826 Ladies and gentlemen.

Please unseal the airtight rungs off of the barrels in front of you and make sure the powder is dry.

LOAD UP!!!

Trump 2016!!!

Posted by: Drider at January 22, 2016 01:13 PM (6Xbsz)

827
And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily.

I was going to try to argue how this isn't going to work. But then I realized that this is a longer

Let it burn. Burn it all. Kill it with fire.

So, welcome to the club.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at January 22, 2016 01:19 PM (1hM1d)

828 cruz would propose a wall or deportation? cruz would ask for a halt to muslim immigration?

Trump isn't going to do any of those things either. Guaranteed.

"Make Mexico pay for a wall". How deluded do you have to be to believe that? What do you propose? Send the army down to invade Mexico and loot their bullion reserves?

Posted by: Weirddave at January 22, 2016 01:21 PM (N8hFs)

829 On Breitbart?...go Ace
Burn it Down

Posted by: The Happy Kafir at January 22, 2016 01:22 PM (ZEz0h)

830 "I thought that, for example, the War on Terror was too important to risk a rupture over other questions."

Generally speaking, an issue that important can survive a rupture. It's the infinitesimal-stakes issues that really generate the most heat precisely because they appeal to such small and easily wedged constituencies.

Posted by: McGehee at January 22, 2016 01:33 PM (ax/6m)

831 If Trump isn't nominated, going Bernie all the way. The Millenial FU to the 'establishment'. They wanted our kids, they get them. They ARE our kids afterall. Feel the Bern.

Posted by: Stephanie at January 22, 2016 01:35 PM (eLvFT)

832 Trump is not a political person he's a salesman. I'm not a fan but you DNC or GOP owned punks calling him a NAZI is to much.
He's here to corral the crazies just like Dick Armey did with the Tea Party. Regular folks in the grass good, small government less taxes but of course the politicreeps in the DC duopoly gang, democrips & rebloodlicans; created the TP to TRY and corral them. Of course they turned on it as soon as they would not be controlled. Same for moveon.org, BLM except where the rebloodlicans use GOD & country democrips use race & gender. same gang different marketers is all.
You're just to ideologically blind or stupid to see it.
I stand on my own 2 feet Independent with NO/ ZERO DC gang affiliation. Both sides are corrupt. Both sides suck!

Posted by: neverlickthehand at January 22, 2016 01:36 PM (M8kzy)

833 So today it's burn it down again, and tomorrow you'll get a good nights sleep and things won't seem so bad. Such is life.

Posted by: DFCtomm at January 22, 2016 01:42 PM (hXCaM)

834 I think the establishment has come out for Trump to help Rubio/Jeb!. If Trump wins I am going to throw all in for Sanders and I think all conservative legislatures should pass his laws. Every Law should be written as The President Bernie Sanders (D) law for_________. Let everyone of the socialist ideas pass. 90% tax rate - Done, Cap and Trade - Done, Open Borders - Done. Let them have whatever they want just make sure there is a name on the bill as well as party affiliation.

Posted by: poohrat at January 22, 2016 01:51 PM (rFwGQ)

835 As a long time subscriber of NR, it's bogus to call them "establishment." NR and NRO publish a variety of views, and the editors are best described as Goldwater/Reagan conservatives.

Of course, they boost Republicans, but there was a lot of nose-holding with the W, McCain, and Romney endorsements.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 22, 2016 01:54 PM (laMCB)

836 "This is half-right. The establishment has demonstrated over several electoral cycles that it's okay with Democratic wins, so no lesson taught there; destroying the GOP itself is necessary. Like any tinpot dictatorship, "regime stability" is its core function, and that regime has been shown to be compromised.
Posted by: General Zod at"

Wise insight and Worth repeating.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 22, 2016 01:55 PM (G7wcY)

837 Sort I'm. Cont the references to god (small g) and country. In these comments to references to race and gender on a lefty site.

Posted by: Shiggz at January 22, 2016 02:00 PM (G7wcY)

838 I truly do not get how people who used to be so reflexively conservative
that they would flush any candidate who didn't pass a 100% purity for
all time test now think Trump is the answer when like a year ago Cruz
was a conservative god. If people truly believe as Rush likes to say
that conservatism always wins whenever it is on the ballot then why not
Cruz to take on the establishment?

Because they never were conservative in the first place.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2016 02:10 PM (lVU49)

839 It was Sarah Palin that sent them over the edge. She fights fair, gets stabbed in the back, framed for their failings(in politics, entertainment, media) and gets up and keeps fighting for the voices of the people to be heard...she's not ever gonna speak in uniparty language..

So, this was the Romney plan all along? People, people : the NRO/Fox establishment are the enemy. They thought they could smush Trump by pushing Cruz, who they would then slime into a high justice, court placement (this is his ambition)...but Sarah came out of the forest..the Grizzly Bear is on our side, now...Donald had the sense to not leave her out in the cold..like the RNC....

Change requires actually altering course and this sham/propaganda from NRO is blindingly clueless!

Posted by: palinbeatsturdblossom at January 22, 2016 02:14 PM (/qiij)

840 We knew you were selling shit sandwiches to us for years. There were other things that kept me coming back. You are, of course, hopelessly compromised, and can't be taken too seriously. Don't sweat it. Still lots of fun links to explore here, and that's enough.

As long as I don't touch the shit sandwiches.

Posted by: Monty James at January 22, 2016 02:15 PM (iYCOw)

841 So you're willing to give up the 3 or 4 supreme court justices (and consequently the 2nd amendment and a host of other things) to teach the GOPe a lessen? Good to know. Good to know.

Posted by: gunnykiln at January 22, 2016 02:23 PM (RzWgb)

842 Electing democong does not faze the quislings of the gope.

They still get THEIR squeeze

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 22, 2016 02:26 PM (A9KzJ)

843 @839

Oh come on, Sarah Palin is a shameless opportunist who was only ever interested in money and fame. Was it fair for McCain's team to throw all that crap at her after the election? Of course not. But just because the DC/NY elites hated her doesn't mean the enemies of those elites have to embrace her. She's blown every last drop of credibility she ever had, long before she endorsed *another* shameless opportunist only interested in money and fame.

The only reason anybody cared about her in the first place is that she spent the 2008 campaign acting like a principled conservative willing to say the things about Obama that McCain refused to say. The people who were dissatisfied with McCain flocked to her for that reason. But since 2010 all she's done is glom onto the group of criminals, grifters and con artists that exist to fleece old people of their money under the banner of the "Tea Party" movement. Taking her seriously is even harder than taking Donald seriously.

Posted by: cjw at January 22, 2016 02:30 PM (UJ59J)

844 Sure, Ace, but allow me to point out that the notion that giving the leftists what they want in the hope that they will so enrage the public as to cause a rightward lurch is wildly ahistorical.

It's a bad, bad bet.

Posted by: DriveBy at January 22, 2016 02:39 PM (C9Vc8)

845 So give the liberals a supreme court majority and destroy all our constitutional rights! Yea that will teach them Rascally Republicans and libertarian's!

Posted by: jhaley59 at January 22, 2016 03:01 PM (f4z3u)

846 The "establishment" is a kakistocracy that uses a royal "we" when it should be speaking singly.

Indeed anyone using a royal "we" as though they speak for more than their own forlorn voice is automatically suspect.

Posted by: Flying Tiger Comics at January 22, 2016 03:41 PM (MSlEr)

847 This struggle for the identity of the party, which stretches back at least to the early Tea Parties of 2008-9, is nearing its climax. To modify Mr. Lincoln:

"In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.

'A house divided against itself cannot stand.'

I believe this Party cannot endure, permanently half establishment and half anti-establishment.

I do not expect the Party to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other."

It seems clear now which "thing" it will become, but the exact makeup of that coalition is still unknown. At some point I suspect there will be a "trade of prisoners" between the Dems and Repubs, where they get stuck with all the Cal Thomases and Kathleen Parkers, and we gobble up swaths of blue collar Dems.

Imagine the glorious day when the DNC has to spend time and political capital placating Country Club Welfare Queens, and we get the support of middle class blacks in swing states.

Could be all of those, could be none of those, but a shifting of the fault lines is inevitable. They have their own Civil War coming between the left-libertarians and the Social Justice Warriors, but they haven't had a catalyst to start the fighting. A massive loss in November would help speed it along for them, just like it did with us in 2008.

Posted by: Nathan at January 22, 2016 03:45 PM (QEQAz)

848 Dear Ace of Spades: No offense, but don't you feel like removing your NR link from your website now? If I were you, I would feel like it...

Posted by: Werner Merkw�rdigliebe at January 22, 2016 04:24 PM (EuiiI)

849 It seems the they--ie the GOPe Traitor Class---have left us no terms but their annihilation as our success.

May the fires of the melting-down GOPe burn bright of on each night of each primary ---and most particularly in November.

Trump may not fix the cultural of GOPe betrayal--hell, the GOPE gave Reagan all he could handle and kicked his great ass to the curb as fast as they could when he was gone......but Trump might(hope) just be little less willing to indulge the backstabbing GOPe shit weasels.

Voting Trump is voting hope over certain fcuking disappointment(GOPe)...

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at January 22, 2016 04:42 PM (jagfX)

850 Ace,

Thank you from the botom of my heart for this post.

BRAVO!!!!!!!

Posted by: Agnes B. Bullock at January 22, 2016 04:49 PM (KM78p)

851 You don't go far enough ... its Washington DC that needs to be destroyed - preferably if it were scoured from the face of the Earth by the hand of God.

Posted by: Everett at January 22, 2016 05:42 PM (52ghx)

852 "You know, for years, I felt it was my duty to sell these shit sandwiches to readers for the Greater Good of winning elections."

So Ace admits for years he openly lied to his readers. And yet you losers still keep reading his bullshit.

How do you know Ace isn't lying to you now? He's openly admitted that he is willing to lie to his audience if it furthers whatever stupid objective he has this month.

Posted by: Ace is a liar at January 22, 2016 08:26 PM (QvQV9)

853 Do you know there is serious talk that the "GOP Establishment" is considering embracing Trump to stop Cruz?

Now you may ask, why would they do that?

Two reasons:

1) Electability. Trump, so far, seems to be a much more effective campaigner. He's got a genuine movement going, and it seems possible that he could ride the wave into the White House. On the other hand, it seems that, for whatever reason, a lot of people dislike Cruz, even among those who agree with him. And his public face isn't especially likable either.

2) Principles. Cruz clearly has them, Trump clearly doesn't. Those who want the next President to be a squish on immigration, taxes, gerbil worming, Ex-Im Bank, bailouts, whatever, are a lot more worried by Cruz than Trump.

So when McConnell (who got $60,000 from Trump to defeat a Tea Party challenger), and Bush, and Kasich withdraw and endorse Trump, what will you do?

Posted by: Rich Rostrom at January 22, 2016 11:07 PM (YkV15)

854 Trump's children had a mother who wss abysmally treated by Trump. A decade before Clinton humiliated Hillary with tabloid headlines Trump was humiliating Ivana and for far less cause.

I will not vote for Trump. Ever. I have made and kept a similar pledge in the part regarding inpricinpled oppirtunists who decided to run as Republicans.

If you thing Donald Trump is the answer then you are either an effing nihilist who us clueless about the fundamental questions of a corrupt and crony ridden systems or you are so angry that you are temporarily insane. There is a reason anger is a deadly sin.It makes people do stupid things. There is also a reason that the colloquial term for being angry, mad, is also a colloquial term for being just plumb nuts.

Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at January 22, 2016 11:30 PM (G9/Ll)

855 That was pretty hot.

Posted by: Esth1er at January 23, 2016 01:36 AM (jXpkW)

856 Nobody is a bigger insider establishment player than the pal of the Clintons who gave them money, had them to his wedding and gave scads of money to liberal Democrats.

Oh, I know Trump gave some to Republicans ... like Arlen Spectre, McCain, and Charlie Crist(!!! True, look it up!)... So Trump supported the liberals in BOTH parties.

Trump's a statist Democrat and big government big talker. Only fools and liberals are for Trump.

Posted by: Trump Chump at January 23, 2016 02:05 AM (yTnTP)

857 "Electability. Trump, so far, seems to be a much more effective campaigner."

He does worse in head-to-head polls, retweets from racists and puts soviet veterans in his ads. Any time he gets criticized he goes into total meltdown mode attacking them all. Showing he lacks completely the temperment to be president but is great fodder for late night comedy.
His negatives with general voters is near 60%.

Yup. UN-electable.

Meanwhile, Cruz against the odds has raised more money for more people, has won more straw polls, does better head to head ... and as a bonus, actually sounds knowledgable, articulate and coherent in a debate and in a speech.

Posted by: Trump Chump at January 23, 2016 02:10 AM (yTnTP)

858 " I look at Trump as the Manchurian establishment candidate. There is nothing conservative about him. Cruz is conservative and I expect that NR will be supporting him.

I hear that. Trump's "Cruz doesn't do enough deals with Democrats' bullshit has me very worried. "

THIS!

Posted by: Trump Chump at January 23, 2016 02:12 AM (yTnTP)

859

OK, serious question. I'm hoping to hear from the staunch anti-Trump types on this.

What is the plan for the mainstream Right to deal with the sentiments espoused by much of Trump's support--the nationalistic impulse (stricter immigration controls, reworking trade to keep American jobs, etc.)? Is the "America First" sentiment something that can be redirected, in your opinion? "

VOTE FOR TED CRUZ!
He can unite the tick-off anti-establishment types
AND the 'true conservatives'
AND the libertarians (once they let go of Rand)
AND the Christian and cultural conservatives
AND the mainstream Republicans (once they realize that the lobbyists hate on Cruz is based on loathing of a man who would bust up their game)
AND the immigration restrictionists (by implementing King / Sessions immigration plan)
AND independents, who will warm up to the Cruz people vs DC, and expose the Democrats as keeping us unsafe and his better way.

Posted by: Trump Chump at January 23, 2016 02:16 AM (yTnTP)

860 305 Trump is not a conservative and is not going to do conservative things.
The establishment is not conservative and is not going to do conservative things.

Moving from the establishment to Trump will accomplish squat.

What has Trump brought us, an intra-party war which will elect another prog POS.

Great, the stupid party manages to throw an election to the worst democrats and the most easily beatable ever."

100% TRUE.

Ah, but here is the kicker. The GOP establishment - the Doles of the party - have a choice - nominate Cruz and have another 1980 or nominate Trump and get shellacked like in 2008 or in, er, 1996 ...

And they will pick the Democrat turned RINO faker Trump over lifelong conservative Cruz!

Posted by: Trump Chump at January 23, 2016 02:17 AM (yTnTP)

861 "OK, I'll concede that Trump is not a Conservative as many of these contributors to the anti-Trump NR issue define it. "

Trump is not a conservative PERIOD. He supports socialized healthcare, opposes entitlement reform, is self-admitted to be "more of a Democrat on issues", and proposes idea that limit civil liberties.

"So, National Review, who IS the Conservative? "

Ted Cruz for one.

"Who is candidate that best meets your Conservative litmus test?

"The GOPe hates Cruz at least as much as they hate Trump, so who are we left with? "

They hate a principled conservative and they hate a guy who shows up their own lack of same.
It's an ENDORSEMENT. And the GOPe is getting clued in that Trump is a man with no real principles who is lying his way through this campaign so the working assumption is that TRUMP WONT CHANGE THE STATUS QUO MUCH.

Build the wall? Meh. that wont change our $4 trillion budget.

Posted by: Trump Chump at January 23, 2016 02:21 AM (yTnTP)

862 Hey I'm back.

I had faith in you Ace, sooner or later. That said, don't do that again because that taste in the back of your throat is trying to tell you something.

Contempt-for-the-audience party line hackery is available in fulsome glut just about anywhere.

And may God bless the USA and send us wisdom for the difficult times ahead. If somewhere he's loading the quantum dice, we need a break here. Selah.

Posted by: phunctor at January 23, 2016 12:18 PM (CKGil)

863 If an ethanol subsidy, auto bailout and TARP-supporter; Charlie Crist fundraiser; Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton donor; eminent domain abuser; Vladimir Putin admirer; convert on abortion, guns, ObamaCare and taxes suddenly in his late 60's; object of affection of Bob Dole, Trent Lott and a growing list of K Street lobbyists; and man for whom individual liberty based on Constitutionally restrained government plays no role in whatever his core principles are is somehow a conservative insurgent against the establishment, then the words "conservative," "insurgent," and "establishment" no longer have meaning. How Ingraham, Coulter, Schlafly and others fell for this huckster whose only credentials are doing deals (i.e. compromises, political payoffs and insider access in smoke-filled back rooms) as some kind of conservative purist who won't go wobbly is beyond me.

Posted by: JRNY at January 23, 2016 10:46 PM (hpqtj)

864 Yes, spot on, Ace.
If this modern-day Whig Party must be destroyed, then let's destroy it. One of my fervent wishes in life is to see the GOP Establishment crushed to dust. It is coming soon, I feel.
I am exactly the person that you (and Reid) describe.
So, Trump may come and go. But this internal war won't. Not until we WIN.

Posted by: JimFromMaine at January 23, 2016 11:25 PM (WB2Ex)

865 "And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach
the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily. "

You DID that in 2008. Hasn't worked for you has it?

More importantly -- you will NOT destroy the Republican Party. You will destroy yourselves.

After 2008, you saddle us with HILLARY?
Do not ... do NOT come back. Go away. form your own party.\You, your representatives, any one who speaks for you ( that means YOU ted Cruz ) will be EVICTED from the republican party and NEVER allowed back.

Then what happens? Well, in 2008 there was 90 Blue Dogs in Congress. Now there are 5.
Moderate democrats know they are not welcome in the Democrat Party, but refuse to cross over because YOU ARE SO REPUGNANT.

You get evicted so there are only moderate republicans? Blue Dogs will no longer be repelled and will come where they are welcome.

We then have three Parties
Democrat Party ( Progressive ) 22%
Tea Party ( Conservative ) 17%
Republican Party ( Moderate ) 61% -- filibuster proof majority

It will be YOU and the Progressives fighting it out to see who dies.
YOU and the Progressives who combined will be IRRELEVANT.
And, hilariously, YOU and the PROGRESSIVES who then join in common cause and become one Party.

And if you think this is hogwash -- that is exactly what happened in 1912. Teddy Roosevelt led the Progressive wing of the Republican ( at that time Liberal ) Party out and formed their own Party.
wilson had fun but was of course replaced by the moderate liberal.
These conservatives then had to make common cause with the mostly Conservative though moderate Southern Democrats -- and the grand bargain was destroyed.

The moderate Republicans left slowly became more and more conservative as the Progressives took control, isolated the conservative elements of the Southern Democrats until the Grand Bargain of the 1960s killed the alliance.

So fine.
Follow through with your threat. But if you do ... have the BALLS to WALK and NEVER COME BACK.

Otherwise you are just gutless cowards yelling "WE WANT OUR WAY BUT NEED YOUR VOTES SO VOTE FOR US THEN SHUT UP"

The ones who do that currently? Are called Progressives. That is what they are yelling to the moderate Dems.

ORRRRRRRRR -- you could work with us, show we can work past our differences, and at some point -- yes at some point -- the Moderate Democrats ( who used to be called REAGAN Democrats ) will find the Progressives MORE repulsive than you -- and

It is the Democrats who become irrelevant and you still have a seat at the table.

At THAT point if you want to reach a bargain with the Progressives where YOU are the ones in control of the Alliance. Then you made a good strategic decision.

Posted by: chromehawk at January 24, 2016 01:00 AM (eKatJ)

866 So.......you "hate politics" now and have been selling shit sandwiches "for years." Forgive me, but I don't see any reason to read this blog again.

Posted by: Libertarian at January 24, 2016 08:56 AM (rKRiC)

867 That must have hurt, Ace, but congratulations, looks like you were ready for the red pill.

For conservatives, the beginning of political wisdom is hatred of the GOP. They have been playing conservatives for suckers since Hoover.

For anything good to happen, they have to be bulldozed.

Posted by: Reformed Trombonist at January 24, 2016 08:59 AM (+2qWL)

868 Bravisimo....Bravisimo....could not have said it better....immigration is the straw that broke the turtle's back.....

Posted by: Budah at January 24, 2016 09:22 AM (vcSri)

869 The mechanics of how to burn down a party are pretty simple. So far as I can tell, nobody is actually going through the process to do it.

So, Ace, are you interested in doing more than venting? Are you going to do more than let fly a tantrum?

I've decided Cruz is the guy for me, and though I'll pull the lever for Trump, I won't be happy about it because I think Trump is Hoover II, a guy who isn't a conservative who will catastrophically flop in office and be stuck around conservatism's neck for the next several decades. That still makes him better than Hillary who I think is an actual felon who has already gotten people killed, only some of whom we even know about because those SAP breaches aren't going to be aired publicly anytime soon.

In short, you need to get a political committee in every electoral district in the country to educate the 100-800 voters in that district, get your supporters to the polls, and call shenanigans on any civil rights violations designed to block our guys from winning. This is a pretty tall order but I see no evidence of anybody actually trying to get it done. That makes posts like this rants and tantrums that aren't going to change a thing.

Posted by: TMLutas at January 24, 2016 09:56 AM (3/cWx)

870 The problem with your analysis is you have chosen a false Messiah.

Posted by: TWW at January 24, 2016 10:27 AM (z0ZUO)

871 Hillary's election will teach the republican establishment nothing. She'll keep the largesse largessing, and republicans will do quite well in congressional elections. Hard to primary squishes when we have a greater problem of restraining a liberal president on our hands.

Cruz is a nearly ideal candidate swimming upstream against a tide of populism, but with a greater chance in the general than Trump.

Posted by: jeremy abrams at January 24, 2016 10:45 AM (bXfv7)

872 You are a self-admitted lie peddler who keeps calling out other people for peddling lies. You've said it before, and you say it again in this very post. The one question you've never answered is, of course: Why should anyone believe you now?

Oh, and of course you're willing to elect a Democrat to teach the GOP a lesson. Why, just the other day, you were chastizing Mitch McConnell for not running his Senate like Harry Reid did. That's something no true Republican, or conservative, would do.

Which is actually my point. You are not a Republican. (You've said that, frequently. This party of which I am not a part, and all that.)

Neither are you a conservative. (You said that not too long ago...don't have time to search the quote, but you said something to the effect that you were more of a disaffected liberal who doesn't like that so many liberals don't really believe in what they peddle...which, from you, is really ironic.)

So, since you're not a Republican, and since you're not a conservative, STOP SPEAKING FOR CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS LIKE ME. Over the seven years of Obama's presidency, I've become heartily sick of people telling me what conservatives or Republicans should think. But as it turns out, I find it more tolerable coming from Obama than from you. At least Obama is not pretending to be on my side.

Posted by: Demosthenes at January 24, 2016 10:57 AM (EygJS)

873 So you've been giving us shit sandwiches?

What about now?

Posted by: baldilocks at January 24, 2016 11:05 AM (ys2UW)

874 "They're only concerned when the cats (that's us) become harder to herd. " - OneEyedJack

I like cats and am certainly aware of the herding cats concept, but never thought of myself as a cat. Damned if it don't fit. Now that I am retired and have not much else to lose, I shall henceforth be a cat - I will eat, sleep, poop, and be impossible to herd.

Posted by: Phloda at January 24, 2016 12:32 PM (ZNE1h)

875 What we need to do is go third-party against any Congressional Republican in leadership position every general election until they understand that they need to listen to the conservative wing of the party. It would only be a handful of races every cycle and could easily be crowd-funded via the internet. Surely sufficient dollars could be raised to allow conservative candidates to get enough attention to draw off enough votes to unelect incumbent Republicans. Of course we would lose a few seats to Dems in the process, but it would be more than worth it, in my opinion. You gotta break eggs to make an omelet.

Posted by: Clean Willie at January 24, 2016 01:04 PM (OuTqr)

876 The Trump/Cruz/Rubio fight strikes me as an argument about making rabbit stew if you haven't caught the rabbit yet. Ask who can win the general election. In my humble opinion it's Trump; having demonstrated that he can make a lot of good Republican candidates (remember the brag about having a great lineup?) look like losers. Jeb! was supposed to have a lock because he had the money and the Rolodex. Now he's toast and the guy who was supposed to be a clown is king of the hill.

Hillary will be hard to beat because the Democrats have a big electoral college advantage. Mr. Polite and Mr. Pure Conservative and Mr. Sunshine are going to be turned into the Jack the Ripper by the Democrat operatives in and out of the media during the general election. We need a bare knuckles fighter and for my money it's Trump. He's a financial success, someone who's built great buildings despite heavy opposition, and has had his "Road to Damascus" moment. He's also able to articulate the BIG issues that animate the American people - and me. That's my two cents.

Posted by: Moneyrunner at January 24, 2016 01:12 PM (q+kb4)

877 Well, Ace Ole Buddy . . .

You just undid years of standing shoulder to shoulder with conservatives . . . except you have realized that there really are NO conservatives out there. As if to put the exclamation point on that, comes NRO. You are catching a lotta heat over at Glenn's - but a lot of them have gotten so used to Driscoll droning on and on they have started to think he is conservative, too.

The last, and closet candidate we have been offered by TPTB in the Holy Grail Chamber of Conservatism was Reagan, and most of them hated him!

Cometh now the Donald, simply speaking the common words and thoughts of us out here who are so sick and tired of coservatives committing incest across the aisle for decades, well - gee - we out here in the middle of the political Sahara are ore than a tad thirsty. NRO made it clear they don't have a drop of coll water, and the Rovians and the Donor Class trying to foist a 3rd Bush on us is more than a bit much.

The other dwarfs on the GOPe stage - they are donor-feet-kissing political lackeys who haven't had an independent thought in so long they fumble their own lines on stage (yes Cruz is a career politician, that cannot be denied).

So we get a true populist who listens, who has (like every other f**king politician out there!) modified his positions, packs in huge, huge crowds which the networks won't show their own audiences, many of whom are outside the "Holy Party" and just keeps confounding all of the experts.

They try to make Rush say things he did not - since he has made it clear he will not endorse anyone; Levin was hilarious - sorry - that was imply too funny! - Beck coming to the rescue of Cruz - now that's a show and a half, and Jeb getting Momma to come to the rescue. Everyone thibks Trump is crazy?

The entire GOPe has gone bat-shit crazy. To the extent even Charlie the Kraut is trying to put things in persepctive now, because he wants to be on the winning side. Easy enough, Charlie, easy enough. But you are unable to take that step, so you will be on the sidelines like most.

This whole campaign is seriously taxing my supply of popcorn. But watching Trump annihilate the GOPe and their countless money-grubbing minions is great entertainment.

Ace, they don't mind if you put ketchup or honey on their shit sandwiches, just don't diss the boys they have already chosen in advance for us to accept and suffer.

The GOP is staring at its own demise, and is clueless.

Posted by: jb at January 24, 2016 05:16 PM (h2PRo)

878 Trump has been endorsed by the likes of Bob Dole and Orrin Hatch. Probably because he has no ideological moorings and can be easily cajoled into the GOPe circle.

So I'm having trouble understanding why people think he will become a change agent for the country.

Posted by: Levin at January 24, 2016 07:24 PM (SpGXB)

879 Losing to the Democrats will not teach the GOP establishment anything. The GOP establishment does not mind losing to the Democrats, as long as its elected officials get to continue feeding at the trough. It would rather lose to the Democrats than lose control of who the party nominates.

We have a right to be angry at the GOP establishment, but being angry doesn't give us a right to be stupidly destructive. We have to think clearly and do the most productive thing rather than throwing a hissy fit and voting for Donald Trump.

If Trump is our nominee, then one of two things will happen.

(1) The Democrats win and do more grave damage to our country.

(2) Trump wins and does more grave damage to our country.

Posted by: Randall Briggs at January 24, 2016 09:54 PM (S/Qr/)

880
Democrats have their donor class which eclipse's the GOP in terms of breadth and money.

Article 5 is the way to go.

Posted by: Levin at January 25, 2016 11:44 AM (SpGXB)

881 Amen, Ace! Amen!

Trump is the only candidate who cannot be bribed and won't be beholden to wealthy donors. Most of his positions are also conservative. (Read his book and stop listening to the media lies. The media likes the current payola scheme.)

Is Trump prefect? No, but he is the best choice we have unless you want a democrat. The choice is yours, but for me, it Trump isn't the candidate I will stay home and the GOP can go fuck itself just like it has been fucking us every chance it gets.

Posted by: woodNfish at January 25, 2016 12:22 PM (ZEGvn)

882 I agree with you Ace, but nonetheless I will not vote for Trump under any circumstance. I will vote 3rd party. If that means a Dem wins, so be it. Trump is a friggin' Democrat anyway, with the added damage that he will put through Dem proposals while destroying the GOP at the same time.

Posted by: TR5749 at January 25, 2016 02:38 PM (GTcUx)

883 On NR's theory, the republicans get John Roberts on the Supreme Court. And Anthony Kennedy. Whoo-hoo.

Posted by: jamesbbkk at January 25, 2016 08:35 PM (1sEcu)

884 The SLIGHT problem with Ace's assessment is that the supposed Destroyer of Eatablishments, Trump, can't wait to get to Washington and cut deals with Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell.

Posted by: FishingWithFredo at January 30, 2016 09:41 AM (owSjm)

885 Fsck that sentiment of "Burn it down", and the idea that a dealmaker like Trump is somehow the man to get that done.

I support the sentiment of "Hang those fsckers", and look forward to someone like Trey Gowdy as Attorney General in a Cruz Administration.

Posted by: Don Fulano at February 15, 2016 01:32 PM (l+l1g)

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