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Movie Review: 13 Hours, A Great Movie and an Enormous, Enormous Problem for Hillary
13 Hours is, doubtless, the best film of Michael Bay's career. It's also an objectively good movie.
Let me get to the politics first. The film is not blatantly political. Do not doubt, however, that it does not have an overt political meaning. It's overt -- just not in-your-face. The film is filled with the heroes wondering "When is someone coming to help us?" There are shots of planes lying dormant while Americans are being shot to pieces. There is an exchange where one soldier (actually, ex-soldiers working for the CIA called G.S.R.'s) says to the other, "I just saw on the news, they're saying this is because of a protest." The other says: "I didn't see any protest." And neither does the filmgoer-- there is no protest. There is simply a coordinated attack which starts out of nowhere. It's obvious what this is from the start; there is no "fog of war," at least not about what started this. Drew pointed out in the podcast a couple of episodes again that there is a bias in the media about what stories they illustrate with pictures and video, and which stories they merely report dryly with words. Words do not have much impact on people. Pictures and expecially video can move emotional mountains. Well, until now, the story of Benghazi has been told with the driest, least emotionally-engaging words the Washington Media-Government Cartel could possibly craft. But no longer. Because for two had a half punishing, occasionally exiting, often anxious hours, 13 Hours doesn't just give you pictures of what happened at Benghazi. It puts you right in the team of six GSR's, fighting wave after wave of Al Ansar and Al Qaeda terrorists. You know their voices, their nicknames, and, depending on the person (I don't say "character," as these are all real people, though a couple are named by pseudonyms), their backstory, their families, and their personalities. And as wave after endless wave of attackers comes to them -- one soldier says, quite correctly, "This is like a horror movie" * -- the viewer waits for a rescue that he knows, from the newspapers, just isn't coming. This movie is a massive, gaping wound in Hillary's campaign, and no one who watches this is going to come away not asking some serious questions about why this "temporary ambassadorial outpost" was permitted with nonexistent security and an impossible perimeter to defend, and why at no point during the 13 long hours of the attack did no one, except a small group of GSRs based in Tripoli, come to the base's aid. Now on to the review of it, as an actual movie.The movie begins with Jim from the Office playing a GSR named "Jack Silva" -- this is a pseudonym, as the guy who actually was "Jack Silva" has not come forward officially -- arrives in the chaotic, and frightening, airport in Benghazi, as men carrying heavy arms but wearing no uniforms mill around the place, putting the question immediately: Who exactly are all these armed men, and who, if anyone, is in charge here?
He's picked up by Tyrone "Rone" Woods, who's been at the CIA annex for a while. They are promptly trapped in a street shakedown by terrorists on their way from the airport to the CIA annex; it's a tense scene, and they get out of it using nothing but a bluff about all the resources they have at their command, should they be trifled with. In fact, they have no resources at their command. They are as alone as the Texans at the Alamo. The first half hour is my favorite part of the movie, actually, because it gives you what feels like a semi-realistic experience of what it's like to work as an unacknowledged (NOC) CIA gunman in a place overflowing with terrorists and rival gangs. If you like Homeland, you'll like this part. There's a great sense of paranoia and danger as the guys are always on the alert for anything that looks outside the normal, but in Benghazi, where teenagers are selling rocket launchers on the street, it's kind of hard to say what "outside of normal" would be. Every time a stranger looks at you and then talks into his cellphone, he could be, and probably is, telling the other people in his cell where you are and what weapons you're carrying. After a great half hour establishing the basic situation in Benghazi, Chris Stevens arrives, depicted as an idealistic true believer who is not as upset about the poor security at Benghazi as he actually was in real life. We're also introduced to his two -- 2! -- bodyguards. And that's it for Chris Stevens' security. Then September 11th comes, and we just wait with the guys. The day goes fine... until around 8:30 at night, when all hell breaks out. A couple of complaints. First, three of the six soldiers look an awful lot alike, and it's near impossible to tell them apart, particularly during night scenes, particularly during action scenes. Rone, Oz, and Boone are all large-framed, muscular white men with red-brown hair and beards. I can sort of tell Rone from the others -- because he's the main character, along with Jim from The Office -- but only with difficulty, and I could not tell Oz from Boone. Two other characters, Tig and Tonto, were easier to tell apart. The men aren't given too much characterization. We know they are devoted family men, and also, they love their families. We know they've got a lot of experience. But beyond that, we don't know much about them. Tonto stands out as my favorite character, because he seems to have a shitty attitude about most things and so is just sort of fun to be around. The rest might be painted as a little too perfect to be compelling. But this is minor point, actually, because once the shooting starts, there really is no characterization in a movie (or in life) besides alive versus dead. There is a little more confusion, for me, when the Ambassador's residence is attacked. I wasn't sure where the six heroes were, but that might be just because I was overthinking it -- they were at the CIA Annex. But I had it in my head, wrongly, that they were going to hang out with Stevens to provide additional security. Don't think that. They're at the Annex. Stevens' compound is under attack for a full hour, I think, with the GSRs demanding permission from "Bob," the almost completely unappealing chief of base,** before they finally tell him they're no longer asking for permission and they're going to save Stevens (and his bodyguards, and Sean Smith) on their own authority. This is where the film is intentionally confusing, to good effect -- there are armed men on the road everywhere, and roadblocks, and tactical trucks, but no one knows who the hell is on their side, or who is enemy. "Who are they?" and "Are they with us?" are questions asked a bunch of times as they try to make their way to Stevens. It's taut. There's a surreal scene as the GSR's reach the ambo's compound (yeah, ambo, that's the lingo). Dozens of armed fighters are milling about on the premises -- but... the fight is over, and no one's actually shooting at each other. Just all these heavily armed dudes aiming at each other, and walking past each other, no one really knowing whether they should start shooting again or not. When the shooting starts, it really starts. I recommend seeing this in a theater, especially for the sound -- the loudness of the M2's and explosions is really part of the experience. Most of us will fortunately never be in this experience, but if you want to experience the loud fury and confusion of war, well, this movie does a good job of it.*** The movie really gets to the most straightforward and easily understandable part when the team returns to the CIA Annex -- and awaits the attack they know is coming. They know damn well the terrorists know they're there. They know the terrorists know they're CIA. And they know the terrorists aren't going to stop with their one victory at the ambassador's base. What follows is what one troop calls "This goddamn Middle Eastern Alamo," with wave after wave of heavily armed terrorists attacking them, and the guys just hoping their ammo can last until dawn. Or until help comes. And help won't be coming. I really recommend the film, and I recommend it especially in a theater. You're going to want that booming sound. You'll lose a big part of this on TV. Three and a half stars. BTW: I should point out, that while the film is anxiety-inducing and sometimes tough, there is a bonus. When I say they "fight off wave after wave of terrorists" -- you should know I mean "they kill dozens and dozens of terrorists." In between the grimness, there is occasionally a very satisfying wipe-out of a group of terrorists.* The Annex abuts on a combination sheep yard and slaughterhouse. The GSRs know the attack, when it comes, will come from here. They call this area, for reasons never explained, "Zombieland." And the waves of indistinct figures coming out of the darkness and smoke do sort of remind one of inexorable masses of zombies. But these zombies are all armed with AK-47s. The film does feel like a cross between a war movie and a horror movie. ** Bob does have one cool line, when he's organizing the CIA staff's escape. I won't blow it for you. But it's a great, cool, CIA dude line. *** One cheesy thing they do twice is give you the POV shot of the soldier, looking down his barrel as he fires. You know, like in a video game. They do this twice, and the shots are brief (half second or less). I just wonder why they opened themselves up the charge of "making war look like a videogame," which you know the progs will say. The only time I can remember seeing this done before was in the crap Rock version of Doom -- a movie version of a first-person shooter videogame. It may or may not be effective, standing on its own, but when you add in the cultural baggage attached to it -- this is what it looks like in a first-person shooter videogame -- I find the shot ill-advised. I think Bay kind of realized this and so tried to compromise by having the shots go by so fast you barely notice them. But that's not really a compromise -- you either include the shot and stand behind it, or you exclude it. I would have excluded it. Michael Bay already gets a ton of grief from the critics, and this is sort of his first real big "serious" and important movie. I just would not have given people such easy justification to dismiss what is otherwise a pretty unimpeachable piece of work.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2016 08:03 PM (hk3Fb)
Posted by: Bitter Jamie Farr (clinger, get it!?) at January 15, 2016 08:03 PM (Lu8kB)
Posted by: Beth M at January 15, 2016 08:04 PM (kiy9d)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 15, 2016 08:07 PM (isWj/)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at January 15, 2016 08:07 PM (dPpmC)
Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2016 08:07 PM (hk3Fb)
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at January 15, 2016 08:08 PM (9JJgN)
the one thing is that it's kind of tough in places. This isn't Rocky, really. There is a mostly happy ending -- most people live -- but... well, you know, not everyone does.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:08 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 08:09 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2016 08:10 PM (hk3Fb)
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 15, 2016 08:10 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Bitter Jamie Farr (clinger, get it!?) at January 15, 2016 08:11 PM (Lu8kB)
Yeah, it's called emotional investment. I'm not apologizing, just explaining.
Posted by: Qoheleth at January 15, 2016 08:12 PM (iIzG7)
There you go again ace, overestimating the intelligence of the average American.
Posted by: Blano at January 15, 2016 08:13 PM (uiVGU)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at January 15, 2016 08:14 PM (AhyHb)
But then, mr Bradley Cooper himself, of American Sniper fame recently came out in favor of gun control laws.
This is a man that spend months almost becoming Chris Kyle.
And in the end, walked away unchanged.
So while I have hope, it's subdued hope.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 15, 2016 08:14 PM (ptqRm)
Maybe, just this once, there WILL be a protest that's incited by a movie. If there is, tell me when and where to show up, and what to bring.
Posted by: Qoheleth at January 15, 2016 08:14 PM (iIzG7)
Like a Titanic movie.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 08:15 PM (rwI+c)
I seriously doubt this movie will do much to sway a lot of folks who have the "what difference does it make" mindset.
Posted by: SMFH at January 15, 2016 08:15 PM (ahx2/)
Posted by: NCKate at January 15, 2016 08:15 PM (QASdY)
Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2016 08:15 PM (hk3Fb)
Posted by: Ani DiFranco at January 15, 2016 08:15 PM (qqwYn)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at January 15, 2016 08:15 PM (AhyHb)
Posted by: Bitter Jamie Farr (clinger, get it!?) at January 15, 2016 08:16 PM (Lu8kB)
It was DiCaprio, and I was rooting for the iceberg. I would have rescued the band and the captain, though.
Posted by: Qoheleth at January 15, 2016 08:16 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2016 08:16 PM (hk3Fb)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 08:17 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at January 15, 2016 08:17 PM (I6BE2)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at January 15, 2016 08:17 PM (AhyHb)
Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2016 08:18 PM (qqwYn)
Like the Titanic, it will bust rivets and open seams all the way down her exoskeleton.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 08:18 PM (rwI+c)
Now if the bad guys threatened to cancel all EBT cards.....Good night nurse.
Posted by: pep at January 15, 2016 08:18 PM (LAe3v)
"Like, a wound that won't heal?"
------------------------------
More like red dust comes out of it.
Posted by: Huma at January 15, 2016 08:18 PM (AhyHb)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 08:19 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 08:19 PM (rwI+c)
It's been said over and over these past 7 years and beyond, but they are pigs. How it is that they came from the same country as a lot of wonderful men and women is more than a mystery - it's a crime.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 15, 2016 08:20 PM (zLP1L)
** sniff **
Leo!
** sob **
Posted by: the bear at January 15, 2016 08:20 PM (AfsKp)
(Spoiler Alert)
That Rapey Bear just comes out of nowhere!
So well done.
Michael Bay deserves an Oscar.
Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2016 08:20 PM (qqwYn)
Posted by: Brian Williams at January 15, 2016 08:21 PM (AhyHb)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 08:21 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2016 08:21 PM (hk3Fb)
He also hilariously explained that as a "Manhattan Republican" he was deeply offended by Cruz's remarks and that this is the end of his campaign. Greg pointed out that his being a manhattan Republican was why he was sitting in the lefty chair.
Posted by: Ktgreat at January 15, 2016 08:22 PM (Bl4dy)
i forget much about Blackhawk Down. I think blackhawk down might have done a better job with characterization, but I forget.
Part of the problem here is that these are all real guys so you kind of have to portray them as angels, because... well, they don't want you to fill them with flaws.
I liked Tonto because he seemed to have flaws. He was kind of like Hudson in Aliens, a little.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:22 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: pep at January 15, 2016 08:22 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Blano at January 15, 2016 08:23 PM (sdPF/)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at January 15, 2016 08:23 PM (AhyHb)
Posted by: Skip at January 15, 2016 08:25 PM (hk3Fb)
Posted by: Blano at January 15, 2016 08:25 PM (uiVGU)
To begin with, there was his aversion to correct pronouns.
Posted by: pep at January 15, 2016 08:25 PM (LAe3v)
I love Texas.
Posted by: Ktgreat at January 15, 2016 08:26 PM (Bl4dy)
Seriously, what those guys did was completely heroic. They ran to the sounds of the guns to save other people. No greater love.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 08:26 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 08:26 PM (4ErVI)
So true. On so many levels.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 15, 2016 08:26 PM (qqwYn)
Posted by: Blano at January 15, 2016 08:23 PM (sdPF/)
I have to wonder if any lefties will even go see this movie. Sure, a lot of low info voters will go, but will they know the backstory?
Posted by: Bitter Jamie Farr (clinger, get it!?) at January 15, 2016 08:26 PM (Lu8kB)
Posted by: Ralph at January 15, 2016 08:27 PM (b9els)
I have to wonder if any lefties will even go see this movie. Sure, a lot of low info voters will go, but will they know the backstory?
backstory is all well explained in captions before the film proper. There is also a caption at the end that contains more bad news for Hillary.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:27 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 08:27 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 08:28 PM (rwI+c)
the film proper. There is also a caption at the end that contains more
bad news for Hillary.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:27 PM (dciA+)
Wow how did this get made?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 08:28 PM (4ErVI)
corrupt,malicius,incompetents hasn't brought a worse disaster upon
us.But they still have a whole year to change that..."
Cue Merle Haggard: "If we make it through December..."
Posted by: Qoheleth at January 15, 2016 08:28 PM (iIzG7)
i forget. I don't think they even say in the movie. Some other review said what it stood for but I don't recall.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:28 PM (dciA+)
It will be the Syphilis induced dementia.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 15, 2016 08:29 PM (qqwYn)
*spit*
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2016 08:29 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Irony at January 15, 2016 08:29 PM (qmMG2)
i have no idea but Michael Bay has been rumored to be a conservative.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:29 PM (dciA+)
We really have been lucky that this gang of
corrupt,malicius,incompetents hasn't brought a worse disaster upon
us.But they still have a whole year to change that...
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 08:27 PM (8HTq1)
It's likely baked in the cake and the timer will go off in a few years. Like how Billy Jeff's waffling led to 9/11.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 08:29 PM (4ErVI)
I have to wonder if any lefties will even go see this movie. Sure, a lot of low info voters will go, but will they know the backstory?
backstory is all well explained in captions before the film proper. There is also a caption at the end that contains more bad news for Hillary.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:27 PM (dciA+)
That's freakin great! I want to ask what the caption is, Ace, but I'll go see this to find out!
Posted by: Bitter Jamie Farr (clinger, get it!?) at January 15, 2016 08:30 PM (Lu8kB)
Seeing it tomorrow. Rotten Tomatoes has it at 59%. Don't expect this to do great business. Hope I'm wrong. Our celebrity culture is sickening. "No pics, didn't happen" is how most live their ostrich lives.
Posted by: Matty at January 15, 2016 08:30 PM (SgYQy)
I mean, it's a good role, it helps his career, it establishes him as a plausible actor for hero and action roles (dude is friggin' jacked with muscle), but this is going to be held as a black spot against him by progs, forever.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:31 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 15, 2016 08:31 PM (LtRdK)
I'd suggest two others ...
Country Boy Can Survive by Bocephus
Copperhead Road by Steve Earl
I think its going down like that.
Posted by: Irony at January 15, 2016 08:31 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at January 15, 2016 08:31 PM (o5xXn)
Would be nice to live in a country where such a movie might actually affect some people, ace, but I don't think we do.
The whole 48-hours surrounding the real events stand as sort of a demarcation line between America, and whatever it is now (though obviously things were degrading pretty severely to get to that line). Not just Benghazi. Cairo too.
An utterly routine/predictable 9/11 series of provocations and probing ops and attacks. With bumbling US responses. From Embassy Cairo "tweeting" submissive apologetic crap to the organized hostile Islamist mob outside, to every part of Benghazi, to the "press" attacking a presidential candidate for meekly advancing a mild critique of the outrageous incompetence and betrayal, to the still jaw-dropping transparent brazen mendacity of top US officials in the days to follow, to the simply unimaginable fed-provoked perp walk of a sacrificial victim for the broader howling Third World/Islamic mob - sorry, but anyone involved with any aspect of foreign policy or national security or int'l politics prior to 2009 simply doesn't recognize the country in which all those things took place.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2016 08:31 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at January 15, 2016 08:31 PM (I6BE2)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 15, 2016 08:32 PM (Kucy5)
Well, for one, there was a long history of Government sponsored Infrastructure.
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 15, 2016 08:32 PM (qqwYn)
He'll get over it, in about 50 years.
Posted by: Elia Kazan at January 15, 2016 08:32 PM (8ZskC)
All you are thinking is: "Holy Fuck how did they film this?"
Then: "Dumbass, play dead, don't try to shoot it!"
Then: "Yeah, getting mauled would suck, but having a bear step on your head would REALLY suck."
Then "Big old knife FTW!"
But never the idea that sex was involved. Anyone who mentioned that is simply a devo-pervo.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2016 08:32 PM (QWtgr)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 15, 2016 08:32 PM (ej1L0)
Posted by: Fox2! at January 15, 2016 08:33 PM (brIR5)
You said a mouthful, and I would change a word.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 08:33 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 08:33 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Lucky the Leprechaun at January 15, 2016 08:33 PM (qqwYn)
Also, you know, what is it stray voltage? Where a lefty can put out a lying revision of history and hope that future generations can be lied to through that movie? I think Insty mentioned that was the point of some of these lefty movies recently, can't find link right now.
So, basically, conserv's need some kind of cultural feedback.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at January 15, 2016 08:33 PM (I6BE2)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 15, 2016 08:34 PM (rDIc2)
Hollywood is a known Right Wing propaganda machine, after all.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 15, 2016 08:34 PM (0NdlF)
Well, for one, there was a long history of Government sponsored Infrastructure.
***8
right? without roads, bridges, firefighters, there's no way hollywood would ever had made a movie. So blippity bloppity boo, this is anti-gov nonsense.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at January 15, 2016 08:34 PM (I6BE2)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 08:34 PM (S6BIA)
I'd like to believe this, but I don't.
Yet.
Posted by: MikeD at January 15, 2016 08:35 PM (uKJIC)
Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2016 08:36 PM (QWtgr)
Every single scumbag who writes a check to that drunken hag should be forced to watch this movie first.
Posted by: MTF at January 15, 2016 08:36 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 15, 2016 08:37 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 08:37 PM (8HTq1)
Some are just flat-out whores - failed journalists from Topeka with coastal-envy, who will write any damn thing if s/he is first flown to Santa Monica and taken to a strip club.
So if an anti-Barky movie gets 58% on R.T., that means very little. Some of the plus reviews were bought. Some of the minus reviews are politically-motivated.
This is a long way of saying, since Ace is one whose reviews I trust, Ace's review is one (of VERY few) that counts.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 15, 2016 08:37 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Clarney at January 15, 2016 08:37 PM (dgO4h)
Posted by: Sasquatch, the original trans-Wookie at January 15, 2016 08:38 PM (dWStG)
Posted by: Sasquatch, the original trans-Wookie at January 15, 2016 08:38 PM (dWStG)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 08:38 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: wth at January 15, 2016 08:38 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 15, 2016 08:39 PM (LtRdK)
Ain't nothing about me free. It's all pay to play bitches.
Posted by: Hillary at January 15, 2016 08:39 PM (c7vUv)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 08:39 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: MTF at January 15, 2016 08:36 PM (TxJGV)
The sad fact is that they're probably right. Most donors to Bush would support Hillary before Trump or Cruz.
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2016 08:39 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2016 08:40 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: MTF at January 15, 2016 08:36 PM (TxJGV)
Using the Ludovico Technique?
Throw in force feeding them powerful laxatives before tying them to the chair and I'm in.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 08:40 PM (4ErVI)
It's not like Michael Bay is going to stop making movies anytime soon, so, if you make him happy, that might offset the prog vendetta.
68 3.5 stars out of what?
Seeing it tomorrow. Rotten Tomatoes has it at 59%. Don't expect this to do great business. Hope I'm wrong. Our celebrity culture is sickening. "No pics, didn't happen" is how most live their ostrich lives.
Posted by: Matty at January 15, 2016 08:30 PM (SgYQy)
Normally, I think blaming a movie's performance or reviews on politics is just excuse-making--but some of the early reviews were blunt about it. Still, it's a Michael Bay movie. Whatever you think of them they usually do a ton of business a Rotten Tomatoes rating around 60% is respectable.
Posted by: AD at January 15, 2016 08:40 PM (QWY55)
Because we were not as Lazy as video has allowed us to be...
Once you had to READ the words... or just heard the words in the case of the Bards of old...
'This is the story, of the rage of Achilles....' meant something because you used your own imagination to create the visual... vice being shown the vision of someone else threw film...
The art of the story teller.... is mostly gone...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 15, 2016 08:40 PM (f7rv6)
Krasinski sat down with Colbert on January 5th.
Said he was proud to do the movie 'cause several of his uncles and cousins were military, and he wanted to use his talents to shine a light on their work and sacrifice.
*shrugs*
Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 15, 2016 08:40 PM (21hN3)
Can I staunch the bleeding... with a cloth?
Posted by: Cankles, who didn't care about Chris at January 15, 2016 08:41 PM (H9MG5)
pep, I've always thought that the analysis that says the "Bradley Effect" is a myth was pretty persuasive.
In brief the idea is that the survey data on the governor's race was within the normal range for accuracy, and that there was in fact no effect from people lying about their preference to support the black guy.
The difference for Deukmeijian came from the turnout departing from the model. Mostly because of rural/more "conservative" areas where turnout was goosed by a gun-grabbing initiative on the ballot. (trying to imagine a CA where THAT could happen ..... sigh)
So - turnout altered by down-ballot issues (definitely something that happens, referendum items are often pushed mostly for their potential to boost turnout among certain voter groups as opposed to the "merits" of the initiatives themselves). Not a "Bradley Effect" in polling.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2016 08:41 PM (QDnY+)
DNC she accepts the nomination.
The FBI then arrests her.
... and then she wins anyway because Free Sh!t Army.
Mayor James Curley from Boston has stuff to say about that.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 15, 2016 08:41 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: wisenheimer at January 15, 2016 08:41 PM (qnhj2)
Some of the plus reviews were bought. Some of the minus reviews are
politically-motivated.
82% audience reaction. I weight that higher than critical response.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 15, 2016 08:41 PM (0NdlF)
This, I thought, was a shortcoming of American Sniper. In theme, in location, and in look and feel it was quite like The Hurt Locker.
But since Kyle was a real person with a known personality, Cooper had to play him in a very constrained manner, staying between the lines as Kyle did.
Renner got to play his fictional character over the top and it made for a better movie.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at January 15, 2016 08:42 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 15, 2016 08:43 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: redenzo at January 15, 2016 08:43 PM (WCnJW)
I may be the only white female in America who has not seen the Cameron/DiCaprio/Winslet Titanic. I have made it a point not to see the movie. I like the older truer versions of the tragedy.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 15, 2016 08:43 PM (kXoT0)
it's tough in parts. However, this is not a spoiler because you've read the news, while there are heartbreaking casualties, most survive.
The ending is not a total downer. But... yes, you know who dies. I guess you just go in knowing that.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:43 PM (dciA+)
I didn't read Ace's review because of spoilers (though, obviously I know how things turned out in real life). But a good Michael Bay film? Is that bit serious?
I think "Armageddon" is a lot of fun, in a Bad Movie way (it's a story told by a hyperactive seven year old). And the first "Transformers" movie was probably the most coherent, story-focused film he has ever done.
So is this one good in a "good" sense? Or is it good because Michael Bay is saying something important, despite how badly he is saying it?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 08:44 PM (B8JRQ)
Posted by: Ignorant Facebook Jackholes at January 15, 2016 08:44 PM (QKzob)
Let's see ...
"13 Hours" is a war movie with lots of shooting and explosions ... likely to attract lots of 15-35 y.y. males ...
Add to this:
Hillary's e-mails are gradually drowning her, and she has ho way out ... and a big slice of America is outraged.
Megan Kelly's (national TV) interview with Benghazi Victim Sean Smith's mother Patricia Smith (who is at least on the verge of tears), with various Hillary! clips included, by itself does a vast amount of damage to Hillary! ...
Yeah, I think "13 Hours" will end up reaching a lot of people, maybe not in the first few days, but probably over the next few weeks, and many questions will be raised.
Will any hecklers use quotes from "13 Hours" on Hillary?
If so, she's sunk.
Posted by: Arbalest at January 15, 2016 08:44 PM (FlRtG)
Posted by: no good deed at January 15, 2016 08:44 PM (GgxVX)
I've found it impenetrably boring to watch. Winslett is the only thing I liked and even she is boring as hell.
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 08:45 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 15, 2016 08:46 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 08:46 PM (8HTq1)
Huma
Posted by: Hillary at January 15, 2016 08:46 PM (c7vUv)
90% of the membership is elderly black women who live in the projects. They registered as Republicans to get a job with the Board of Elections. (The BoE has to be 50% staffed by registered members of the top two parties.)
In other words, Geraldo.
Posted by: Oschisms at January 15, 2016 08:46 PM (xxfJk)
Posted by: John Krasinski at January 15, 2016 08:47 PM (QKzob)
RE: Titanic.
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 08:48 PM (qUNWi)
"13 Hours" is a war movie with lots of shooting and explosions ... likely to attract lots of 15-35 y.y. males ...
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I wonder how many extremely whipped "Liberal" guys are going to sneak away from their SJW womyns to watch this movie. For them going to an ultra violent anti-Hillary anti-Obama movie has got to be very forbidden fruit.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 15, 2016 08:48 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 15, 2016 08:48 PM (2x3L+)
-Hillary
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 08:49 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: ALH at January 15, 2016 08:49 PM (Z56vq)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 15, 2016 08:49 PM (GKF1b)
So is this one good in a "good" sense? Or is it good because Michael Bay is saying something important, despite how badly he is saying it?
no he's pretty good. He doesn't do some of the stuff that he's usually razzed for. He uses the shaky-cam to give that you-are-there documentary feel, which I usually don't like, but I liked it okay here.
The one thing that's a problem is that he shot too much footage, and had to edit stuff down to get this to 2 hours 20 minutes; the editing can be faulted a bit.
but only a bit, and only in sections. Most of the "action" (I don't like calling it that, because this is real stuff, not action movie stuff) is comprehensible and easy enough to follow.
Especially in the last part, in which the tactical situation is pretty straightforward.
There is some confusion when they're going to and from the ambo compound -- some of that intentional, some of it probably not intended, just a product of condensing footage down through editing.
The only flaw is the sort of indistinct and bland characterization. And he made a big error that should have been obvious -- make Rone, Oz, and Boone look different!
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:50 PM (dciA+)
Irony for Hillary! would be..
DNC she accepts the nomination.
The FBI then arrests her.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 08:38 PM (S6BIA)
.........................
They put her in a cell with Huma.
There is no fan over the toilet.
Posted by: wth at January 15, 2016 08:51 PM (HgMAr)
The corruption is wide and deep.
This country elects monsters to office.
Posted by: eman at January 15, 2016 08:51 PM (MQEz6)
eh I give away some lines here and there. So you can wait.
The big spoiler is... well, do you know who lives and who dies? I mean, I assume everyone knows this.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:52 PM (dciA+)
This movie is probably worth -5 points for Hillary's polling numbers over the next couple months.
Posted by: DOC at January 15, 2016 08:52 PM (PGnDx)
I mean, it's a good role, it helps his career, it establishes him as a plausible actor for hero and action roles (dude is friggin' jacked with muscle), but this is going to be held as a black spot against him by progs, forever.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:31 PM (dciA+)
I read the review from Entertainment Weekly. They gave the movie a C+ overall (because of course they did), but the reviewer added that Krasinski (aka Jim from The Office) shows why we should be seeing more of him onscreen. So, maybe not.
Plus, I think he was in a "Save the Whales" movie a couple years ago, so maybe they'll think it balances out.
Posted by: T at January 15, 2016 08:52 PM (NctcF)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 15, 2016 08:53 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 08:54 PM (qUNWi)
65 >>>Wow how did this get made?
i have no idea but Michael Bay has been rumored to be a conservative.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:29 PM (dciA+)
It got made because MB is a fucking money machine for Hollywood. I don't think the man has EVER made a film that wasn't hugely profitable. As I recall, most everyone in Hollywood HATES his films, HATES working on them because they're popcorn flicks that they see as an insult to their art.
But as much as Hollywood loves commies and hates America.....they love money more. So when MB wants to make 13 Hours, it gets made, and the Hollywood commie cocksuckers swallow their pride and cash the checks.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 15, 2016 08:55 PM (o98Jz)
There is no fan over the toilet.
Posted by: wth at January 15, 2016 08:51 PM (HgMAr)
Hey Huma check it out! Beans for lunch again!
*Huma panicked face*
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 08:55 PM (4ErVI)
Gerdildo Retardo. Second only to Wrong Williams in encouraging me to grab the remote.
Posted by: wth at January 15, 2016 08:56 PM (HgMAr)
Maybe they really did look alike in real life? Those damn white people!
Posted by: Lauren at January 15, 2016 08:56 PM (bYGAR)
You all rook arike to me.
Posted by: Jack Su at January 15, 2016 08:56 PM (GKF1b)
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 15, 2016 08:56 PM (FtrY1)
Posted by: S at January 15, 2016 08:57 PM (HCXGq)
Posted by: Ktgreat at January 15, 2016 08:57 PM (Bl4dy)
Posted by: AltonJackson at January 15, 2016 08:59 PM (KCxzN)
Top comment:
"Now, for
Michael Bay's next movie "We Never Landed on the Moon", a tale of how
the entire Apollo Program was filmed on a stage to cover up the
assassination of Kennedy which was a cover up of the CIA covering up the
Bay of Pigs which was a cover up of Kennedy's affair with Marilyn
Monroe, who was a CIA plant to get rid of Kennedy and install a
communist government in Washington. Yeah. The Right-wing loves a
conspiracy."
SJW means always always always attacking. Nothing to see here but the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 15, 2016 08:59 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 08:59 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Barney Frank at January 15, 2016 09:01 PM (GKF1b)
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:01 PM (qUNWi)
Still, this is the first time in history a used booster from an orbital mission has been returned to the pad and test-fired, so there's that.
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2016 09:01 PM (sdi6R)
Movie going hint: the last showing on Sunday is the best time to go, even on opening weekend. Theatres are practically deserted.
Of course, that was true ten years ago, when people had jobs to get to on Monday. So that may not work these days.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 09:01 PM (B8JRQ)
I may be the only white female in America who has not seen the Cameron/DiCaprio/Winslet Titanic. I have made it a point not to see the movie. I like the older truer versions of the tragedy.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 15, 2016 08:43 PM (kXoT0)
You HAVE to see it. The dialog is hopelessly inane, the effects, while once they were state-of-the-art are now dated, but it includes one of the greatest scenes in all of cinema.
I'm speaking of course, of when Leo DiCaprio dies a horrible death from hypothermia, then Rose whispers that "I'll never let you go".....then flings his popsicled corpse off of the raft. That's just good entertainment for the whole family.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 15, 2016 09:01 PM (o98Jz)
They never mention me. I'll just blame it on Bish. They'll never figure it out. *cackle*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 15, 2016 08:49 PM (GKF1b)
......................
My mom, two-time Obama voter and life long registered Dem, asked me yesterday: "Have you heard her laugh? It's horrible!"
Posted by: wth at January 15, 2016 09:02 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: rickl
I wonder how many miles per gallon that thing gets?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 15, 2016 09:03 PM (FkBIv)
make sure you see it in a theater with a good sound system.
sound is very important in this movie.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 09:03 PM (dciA+)
also sit in the middle, about 2/5ths of the way back from the screen, about... I think that's usually the best place for sound. (at least that's what I go for.)
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 09:04 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 15, 2016 09:05 PM (GKF1b)
And I hate shakey-cam. In my opinion, lots and lots of movies have been ruined by that. "The Kingdom," for example. Hey, Hollywood, your shaking of the camera is not convincing me that I am watching reality! I know I walked into a movie theatre, or popped in a DVD--I KNOW IT'S A MOVIE and STOP trying to tell me OMG THIS IS REAL.
I KNOW it's a MOVIE. That's what I PAYED for.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 09:05 PM (B8JRQ)
Posted by: lynndy at January 15, 2016 09:06 PM (DaWUf)
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:06 PM (qUNWi)
1. Thank you for not reviewing The Martian. If you have and I have not seen your review, fine, too.
2. Still waiting for your review of Interstellar.
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:06 PM (zgYlH)
Sherry McEvil: I may be the only white female in America who has not seen the Cameron/DiCaprio/Winslet Titanic....
Well, Milady and I never saw it. Um, she counts as a white female in America. I don't.
Posted by: mindful webworker - with that sinking feeling at January 15, 2016 09:07 PM (ACs58)
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:07 PM (zgYlH)
Posted by: ChocoCheese at January 15, 2016 09:07 PM (OvUux)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 15, 2016 09:07 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 15, 2016 09:01 PM (o98Jz)
As fun as that sounds, I'll never watch that turd, either. I've gotten along just fine over the years with the "Move-a-Minute" version:
http://www.rinkworks.com/movieaminute/m/titanic.shtml
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 15, 2016 09:07 PM (jV8Mq)
well... that's the bad boys 2 shot. he doesn't do it here.
(McTiernan does a version of this shot too.)
>>>And I hate shakey-cam. In my opinion, lots and lots of movies have been ruined by that.
it's fine here. The filmstock is gritty, the camera is handheld. (It's not really shakycam, it's just handheld.)
He deploys those tricks to make it feel like it's fly-on-the-wall. it's not distracting though.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 09:07 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 15, 2016 09:07 PM (xlNgJ)
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:07 PM (zgYlH)
----
Will there be a homoerotic volleyball scene?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 15, 2016 09:08 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 15, 2016 09:08 PM (oVJmc)
there are millions of stupid uninformed dumass voters out there and they vote dem. cuz they just don't care
Posted by: Sally at January 15, 2016 09:08 PM (A1mBA)
no.
they have a much worse gory hand image.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 09:08 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:09 PM (4ErVI)
Oh yeah. Tom Cruise against the drones. For reals.
Val Kilmer will reprise his role as the U.S.S Constellation.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 15, 2016 09:09 PM (rDIc2)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:09 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 08:27 PM (8HTq1)
I Can't be that optimistic.The damage will take a long time to rebuild, I.e., 9-11 was 8 months after Bush took office, and that was just for starters.
Posted by: bergerbilder at January 15, 2016 09:10 PM (IeXP9)
I wonder how many miles per gallon that thing gets?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 15, 2016 09:03 PM (FkBIv)
Probably more like gallons per mile, but RP-1 and LOX are plentiful and dirt cheap. While they make up the majority of the rocket's weight at liftoff, they are only a tiny portion of the total cost of a launch.
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2016 09:10 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 15, 2016 09:10 PM (5fvBZ)
Posted by: Lauren at January 15, 2016 09:11 PM (GZ6Pf)
They did not find Chris Stevens, and do not know of his fate until later, hearing about it second-hand. So the movie follows this, and the audience is in the dark with the GSRs.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 09:11 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:11 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: Words I'd jizz to on Hillary's tombstone... at January 15, 2016 09:11 PM (UsgHM)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 15, 2016 09:12 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at January 15, 2016 09:12 PM (3MozY)
Will there be a homoerotic volleyball scene?
.....................
They told me they cut that part out.
Posted by: Tom Hanks at January 15, 2016 09:12 PM (HgMAr)
So okay, the film does break from their POV... but only briefly.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 09:13 PM (dciA+)
Like a Titanic movie.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!,
Yes I was also inconsolably sad watching the necklace sink into the abyss. Decaprio, not so much.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at January 15, 2016 09:13 PM (QdAXQ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:13 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 15, 2016 08:43 PM (kXoT0)
A Night to Remember is a good movie, but not accurate as regards structural engineering and the actual sinking. The Cameron Titanic had a dopey love story superimposed on the events, in a blatant (and ultimately successful) effort to broaden its audience appeal, but was surprisingly, eerily accurate in terms of the events related to the sinking of the ship. Plus, James Horner was a brilliant composer, and the sound track (except for that goofy song by Celine Dion) was great.
And I wish I could get just the engine room scenes from Cameron's film edited together into a continuous loop that I could play for hours on end without having to watch the rest of the movie at all.
Posted by: HTL at January 15, 2016 09:14 PM (s4eYP)
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 09:08 PM
~~~
Guessing you're talking about Oz. He talked about the injury to his hand and has had about 15 surgeries on it since. Still has no use of the thumb on that hand.
Can't wait to see this. And I thank God every day that we still have men like these.
Posted by: IrishEi at January 15, 2016 09:14 PM (E6RIJ)
The cast of HBO's Girls on the beach? Eeewww...
Posted by: Anna Puma
I'll need a little more info about what kind of homoerotica before I'll take a chance on watching that.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at January 15, 2016 09:14 PM (QdAXQ)
Posted by: Wilson at January 15, 2016 09:15 PM (AfsKp)
i don't mean to talk about spoilers but yeah kinda
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 09:15 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 09:16 PM (8HTq1)
His movies make billions of dollars. The government wants his billions of dollars.
It wouldn't surprise me if he was conservative. He seems to give very few clues in interviews, but of course most of those interviews talk about his treatment of toys.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 09:16 PM (B8JRQ)
Every character is paper thin.
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:16 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:09 PM (4ErVI)
Agreed, and I've always said that the ship is the real star of that movie. They built a nearly full-sized replica for the sets, and the Jack and Rose story was cleverly used to give viewers a complete tour of just about every inch of the ship.
Plus the actual wreck itself was shown, which is unique among Titanic movies. Cameron himself went down in a submersible and filmed it, which took real balls. That's about as dangerous as a spacewalk. The pressure at those depths is unforgiving, and there is no room for error.
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2016 09:16 PM (sdi6R)
And guess what, WHO is wrong.
Sierra Leona gets a new Ebola case.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:13 PM (S6BIA)
Isn't that right next door to Burkina Faso, my newest most favorite country?
Posted by: wth at January 15, 2016 09:17 PM (HgMAr)
I'll say this. Whether this movie dooms her or not, if we can't beat her, we might as well give up, join the Democratic Party, and try to take it over, instead of attempting to beat their candidates.
Her own party hates her. She is a bad campaigner, is colder than the Kelvin scale, and has more skeletons than all AMA-approved medical schools combined.
If we can't beat this woman, we should just give up.
Posted by: AD at January 15, 2016 09:17 PM (QWY55)
Posted by: Keith at January 15, 2016 09:17 PM (nFB1w)
For given values of conservative. You can see that in how he depicts the military or his Frank Capra-esque shots in movies like Armageddon of the heartland.
He may be a blows stuff up kind of guy that is silly sometimes, but I always thought his heart was in the right place.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2016 09:17 PM (iHjB5)
Posted by: ChocoCheese at January 15, 2016 09:17 PM (OvUux)
If Trump says this movie needs to be seen and that it shows Hillary is a dishonest piece of refried shit, then it just might injure her quest for the power.
Posted by: eman at January 15, 2016 09:17 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 09:19 PM (B8JRQ)
For anybody big in Hollywood, that's a clue in and of itself.
Posted by: AD at January 15, 2016 09:19 PM (QWY55)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 15, 2016 09:19 PM (voOPb)
The Night to Remember book is worth the read. Got me hooked on the
Titanic 35 years ago. Walter Lord has a bunch of great WWII personal
story non fiction, now fairly cheap and easy on kindle.
Posted by: Keith at January 15, 2016 09:17 PM (nFB1w)
I read that many years ago. One thing that stands out to me is that a survivor years later was some distance away from a baseball stadium and said the roaring of the crowd is what all the people in the water that night sounded like before they froze to death.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:20 PM (4ErVI)
Maybe they could do an alternative ending thing one day, where some general gives the go order ... he later gets fired by Obama/Hillary ... but saves the day ... one of the gunships rolls over and tears up the terrorists ... maybe some Apocalypse Now music ...
Posted by: Illiniwek at January 15, 2016 09:20 PM (5Gpe2)
That just gave me goosebumps.
eehhhh....
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:21 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 09:22 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 15, 2016 09:22 PM (5fvBZ)
The movie is well worth seeing, and I wholeheartedly agree with Ace's take on this really changing people's emotional calculus about Benghazi.
Finally, as the audience was getting up at the end, I hear this little old lady a few rows ahead of me say "It makes me sad, but it also makes me angry." This is going to matter going forward.
Posted by: Marashir at January 15, 2016 09:22 PM (y0xhc)
Hillary For Tsar Tsar!
Posted by: ChocoCheese
Tsar Booba
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 15, 2016 09:22 PM (FkBIv)
The movie A Night to Remember used scenes from the failed Nazi propaganda film Titanic.
And that movie was literally lethal in more ways than one. The director Selpin was executed during production because he publicly expressed negative views about the war effort. The film ended up never being shown to the German public. As the war ended, the German cruise liner used for the filming was used for one last gigantic war crime - prisoners were loaded aboard the ship which was then sunk. When the prisoners tried to swim ashore, they were shot.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:23 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: Words I'd jizz to on Hillary's tombstone...
.......................
Don't get me started, please. I'm already so busy.
Posted by: guy who's keeping a list of the dummy's nicknames at January 15, 2016 09:24 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 09:24 PM (8HTq1)
It is in Trump's hands.
Via Drudge:
Trump rents Iowa theater to show Benghazi movie
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hyprndr
Trump has pushed the button.
Posted by: Arbalest at January 15, 2016 09:24 PM (FlRtG)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 09:19 PM (B8JRQ)
Nuh-uh, I got it first. No take-backs.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod at January 15, 2016 09:24 PM (jV8Mq)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:24 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: Gilbert Ratchet at January 15, 2016 09:25 PM (PA/yh)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:20 PM (4ErVI)
There are so many haunting stories. Lord does a great job capturing the mood from those personal perspectives. His treatment of Pearl Harbor and Dunkirk follow that same path.
Posted by: Keith at January 15, 2016 09:25 PM (nFB1w)
Speaking of Megans...
It is evident now that Megyn Kelly got her 'reward' for busting Trump's balls in that first debate and is being, in my opinion, incentivized to do more of the same: She's on the cover of Vanity Fair.
This is a very, very flattering cover shot. They went out of their way to make her look like a movie star, something they only do for their favorites.
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:26 PM (zgYlH)
Ugh, I know. She is a better person than I am.
Posted by: Lauren at January 15, 2016 09:26 PM (LzzEz)
May it weigh on Hilz like a rotting albatross.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 15, 2016 09:26 PM (7lqMl)
from Cameron's film edited together into a continuous loop that I could
play for hours on end without having to watch the rest of the movie at
all.
Posted by: HTL at January 15, 2016 09:14 PM (s4eYP)
I always thought the biggest failing of the movie was lack of engine room detail!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 15, 2016 09:26 PM (wYnyS)
The cast of HBO's Girls on the beach? Eeewww...
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:11 PM (S6BIA)
They couldn't finish the shot because Greenpeace kept trying to roll Dunham back into the water.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 15, 2016 09:27 PM (kpqmD)
----
They don't even have to be moved. Face it 1/2 the independents and LIV's that go to see this movie probably only have a vague reference if any at all as to "Benghazi", despite it being in the headlines off and on for years. This at least educates them on what the hell "Benghazi" was (at least the attack part) and gives them a nice vivid picture of what happened, and that it was a cluster-fuck. It's useful as a point of mental reference for them when they see some attack ad in 6 months mentioning it and blaming Hillary for it.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 15, 2016 09:27 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: ChocoCheese
Tsar BoobaPosted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.......................Tsar Bombahttp://tinyurl.com/qeg8mhzsorry, I couldn't resist
Posted by: wth at January 15, 2016 09:27 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: IC at January 15, 2016 09:28 PM (+3RH+)
What did the President do and when did he do it?
Posted by: eman at January 15, 2016 09:28 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: wth at January 15, 2016 09:28 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 09:29 PM (B8JRQ)
Posted by: wth at January 15, 2016 09:30 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: ChocoCheese at January 15, 2016 09:30 PM (OvUux)
Posted by: logprof, AoS 2-time fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 09:30 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 15, 2016 09:30 PM (kXoT0)
Let me be perfecklesslyclear, not doing anything and going to bed early is nothing at all like giving a stand-down order!
Posted by: B H O'Bama at January 15, 2016 09:31 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: logprof, AoS 2-time fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 09:31 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Revenant Bear at January 15, 2016 09:32 PM (GKF1b)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:32 PM (S6BIA)
Benghazi should be hung around Hillarys neck like a burning tire
Posted by: ThunderB at January 15, 2016 09:32 PM (zOTsN)
What the hell??
They're making a Top Gun 2???
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:07 PM (zgYlH)
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Oh god... no. please no.
If accurate to today though, Maverick and Ice get told to stand down while the carrier group gets sunk by the Iranians because of Washington issued ROE and Captains who would not break orders to save the battle group fearing DC politics if they did.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 15, 2016 09:32 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:32 PM (4ErVI)
no, I think you're wrong. it sets it up clearly, and you can't watch this and then not wonder "Why the hell didn't they send any help?"
Like I said: The guys say that themselves like ten times.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 09:32 PM (dciA+)
We are through the looking glass, people.
Posted by: Mega at January 15, 2016 09:32 PM (9Du4t)
Can't believe I PAYED to see that one.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 09:32 PM (B8JRQ)
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:33 PM (zgYlH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 15, 2016 09:33 PM (RrDm2)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 15, 2016 09:33 PM (rDIc2)
Posted by: engaged to be engaged at January 15, 2016 09:34 PM (dbDB8)
Posted by: Mega
On Bizarro world Kennedy shoots Oswald.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 15, 2016 09:34 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 15, 2016 09:08 PM (jR7Wy)
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No but the shower\locker scenes will include the tranny instructor pilot that Maverick eventually falls in love with after first not accepting her\him.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 15, 2016 09:34 PM (MbrzC)
As the waves approach, they should overlay a giant, translucent cackling image of my head over the whole scene.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 15, 2016 09:35 PM (GKF1b)
Always with that smug look at the camera.
I kinda hate him.
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:35 PM (qUNWi)
In essence, it was a Transformers movie without any giant robots. And the RLM review skewers it pretty well.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 09:35 PM (B8JRQ)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 15, 2016 09:36 PM (zOTsN)
So, you know, if you've been missing radical left-wing views on the environment coupled with a hatred for whitey, you'll get your fix soon enough.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:37 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:37 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: Hamilton at January 15, 2016 09:37 PM (4djZu)
The Administration was doing very bad and very illegal things over there and the gope knew all about it and was in on it.
A Republic does not do this shit.
Posted by: eman at January 15, 2016 09:38 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 15, 2016 09:38 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:38 PM (S6BIA)
I'd love to see a movie or the lynching of a corrupt potus who has damned gen x and the millinieals.. or the rhino republicans who managed to put the nail in the coffin with a fantastic budget deal, thank gosh I can pay for abortions and every other program I consider unconstitutional and evil.. thank gosh I have a government who knows how my third of every check is better spent.
If we're lucky, we can get Sander, Rubio, or Clinton to introduce mass amnesty to help out those poor, poor 3rd world immigrants..
Posted by: The Doomed Millinieal at January 15, 2016 09:38 PM (lErlm)
log, is it just me or have you been pretty scarce lately?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 15, 2016 09:33 PM
--I just got my laptop back after over three weeks in the shop. Pretty shitty to be without a computer over the holidays and fantasy football playoffs.
Posted by: logprof, AoS 2-time fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 09:39 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: derit at January 15, 2016 09:39 PM (jT+gh)
For once all the lib trashis backfiring on them (in this case the constant drumbeat of rape), with The Hag, and with their favorite "religion".
Posted by: Mega at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (9Du4t)
Lines"?
Posted by: bergerbilder at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (IeXP9)
NDH said a couple of days ago that the administration intended *everyone* to be killed (at least once the killing had started). I agree.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (GDulk)
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: IC at January 15, 2016 09:28 PM (+3RH+)
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I will say this - I completely disregarded any and all of Di Caprio's work for a long time.
Then, I saw Shutter Island, because Max von Sydow.
He really turned in a good performance in that one, Leo did.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (lutOX)
Always with that smug look at the camera.
I kinda hate him.
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:35 PM (qUNWi)
--I admit his counterpart in the UK version was more likable. Still, I liked Jim's playing it straight versus Michael Scott's nuttiness.
Posted by: logprof, AoS 2-time fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (erRNA)
I read that many years ago. One thing that stands out to me is that a survivor years later was some distance away from a baseball stadium and said the roaring of the crowd is what all the people in the water that night sounded like before they froze to death.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:20 PM (4ErVI)
The survivor referred to Tiger Stadium in Detroit specifically.
"A Night to Remember" was a terrific book and a terrific movie.
An anecdote about the movie: One of the survivors was employed as an advisor on the set. During the scene where the ship was sinking, he wanted to stand on the deck as an extra, but wasn't allowed to because he wasn't a member of the actors' union.
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2016 09:41 PM (sdi6R)
Always with that smug look at the camera.
I kinda hate him.
...
I joked before the movie that what I wanted was this: That they would show Hillary claiming this was a spontaneous protest, and Jim would give "That Look" to the camera like he does on The Office, then she would say "YouTube video," and he would look at hte camera again.
alas, they did not do that.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 09:41 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: eman at January 15, 2016 09:42 PM (MQEz6)
We need to try to get that image back into the public eye.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 09:42 PM (GDulk)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 15, 2016 09:42 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 15, 2016 09:42 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Benjamin P. Glaser at January 15, 2016 09:43 PM (MU/Gs)
Posted by: Susan Ricecake at January 15, 2016 09:43 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Optimus Prime at January 15, 2016 09:43 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Hamilton at January 15, 2016 09:37 PM (4djZu)
--The Clintons got Path to 9/11 banned from DVD.
Posted by: logprof, AoS 2-time fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 09:43 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 15, 2016 09:43 PM (zOTsN)
278 I think I've heard that neither Hillary or Obama is named in the movie. Therefore, every properly educated person will assume that Republicans did it.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (erRNA)
Yup, like the 2008 popping of the housing bubble.
Posted by: eman at January 15, 2016 09:44 PM (MQEz6)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:44 PM (S6BIA)
It'll be on the dvd release as an alternate ending.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:44 PM (4ErVI)
And to keep the low profile they didn't want to add too many defenses, even though terrorists had moved in next door, and I guess al Qaeda black flags were flying on government buildings in Benghazi. So despite all the warnings, we lost four men, coulda been 40.
This Clare Lopez woman gives lectures on this stuff. She was on some counter terrorism advisory team or something. She talks like Obama was helping them build their caliphate, but of course calling it the Arab Spring.
idk if that stuff is substantiated, but it sounds right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbpch-7GuSM
Posted by: Illiniwek at January 15, 2016 09:46 PM (5Gpe2)
administration intended *everyone* to be killed (at least once the
killing had started). I agree.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (GDulk)
Dead men tell no tales!
Posted by: L J Silver at January 15, 2016 09:46 PM (wYnyS)
Must be doing something right
Well...I know enough to separate the actor from the role.
I'm speaking to the role.
I think a hidden secret of the series was that the show didn't really like Jim either.
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:46 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 15, 2016 09:47 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 09:47 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 09:47 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: AD at January 15, 2016 09:17 PM (QWY55)
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Oh we can totally beat her, all we have to do is adopt 89.6% of her platform, then not attack her on any of her serious short comings or scandals but just focus on that 10.4% where we disagree with her and hammer the hell out of her on those. Then when we win we only implement 82.7% of that platform we ran on. Sneeky huh! Now all we got to do is get all these stupid, bigoted, racist, homophobic, pro-life, Constitution savoring assholes that still make up almost 40% of the party to STFU like good little peons like they usually do for TEAM RED. Some times it's like these people don't understand that the teams donors have needs gosh darn it!
Posted by: GOPe at January 15, 2016 09:48 PM (MbrzC)
Greaat...Harrison gets to be bored by his career again.
Can't wait for that.
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:48 PM (qUNWi)
Does anyone know exactly where that bloody handprint was? Was it in the
residence or the annex? Pretty clear someone was injured and struggling
at that point.
We need to try to get that image back into the public eye.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 09:42 PM (GDulk)
They should've used the photo for the movie poster.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:48 PM (4ErVI)
--The Clintons got Path to 9/11 banned from DVD.
Posted by: logprof, AoS 2-time fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 09:43 PM (vsbNu)
And yet, it's available on teh torrents.
Can't stop the signal, Mal.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 15, 2016 09:48 PM (o98Jz)
One aspect of the US version that was without question better than the UK version.
Posted by: logprof, AoS 2-time fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 09:48 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Zakn at January 15, 2016 09:49 PM (K7QGS)
Clinton has so much to answer for. She and obama ruined Libya, Tunisia, Yemen, and almost Egypt, and then tried to ruin Syria.
The problem with Trump is that he just doesn't know have the knowledge to articulate a good case against the rotten witch.
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:50 PM (zgYlH)
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:50 PM (zgYlH)
--*TRIED* to ruin Syria?
Posted by: logprof, AoS 2-time fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 09:51 PM (vsbNu)
I'm surprised/saddened that they didn't. It is a very strong image that should be used to bash the entire administration at every chance. (Yes, I am saying that someone who isn't me should do that, which I know isn't really a conservative thing, but I'm just aware that it is graphically intense without having any idea what to do with it.)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 09:51 PM (GDulk)
One aspect of the US version that was without question better than the UK version.
Everything about that show was pure genius.
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:51 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 15, 2016 09:51 PM (zOTsN)
Barack
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 09:52 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 09:52 PM (GDulk)
the film proper. There is also a caption at the end that contains more
bad news for Hillary.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:27 PM (dciA+)
Unless it came flat out and said Barry and Hillary let them die it won't sink it with most people. Maybe a scene of them asking for help and Hillary finishing off her 5th scotch and while Barry is getting ram jammed by Reggie and completely ignoring them would get the point across
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 15, 2016 09:52 PM (45oDG)
Benghazi should be hung around Hillarys neck like a burning tire
Posted by: ThunderB at January 15, 2016 09:32 PM (zOTsN)
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Only down side, is one theater, one night (I think), probably should have done the whole opening weekend. /just saying.
Posted by: GOPe at January 15, 2016 09:53 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:53 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 15, 2016 09:51 PM (zOTsN)
Eh, fuck those Limey gits anyhow.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 15, 2016 09:53 PM (kpqmD)
That's some pretty messed up shit right there.
Posted by: Angela Merkel at January 15, 2016 09:53 PM (GKF1b)
That's true; obama did instigate the Syrian "civil war" and got the ball rolling to ruin Syria. But he didn't achieve his objective which was to replace Assad with his muslim terrorist pals.
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:54 PM (zgYlH)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 15, 2016 09:54 PM (wYnyS)
But Deckard as an old guy? So Tyrell had yet another unlimited skin job? Or finally yes Deckard was a human all along and what retiring Batty, Zhora, and Pris did was restore his humanity?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 09:54 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 09:55 PM (GDulk)
One aspect of the US version that was without question better than the UK version.
Everything about that show was pure genius.
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:51 PM (qUNWi)
--One hallmark of a great series, especially a comedy, is when the deleted scenes are often as good or better than the scenes aired. The Office passes that test with flying colors. The deleted scene in Season 5 when Jan finds out that Kevin was a donor at the sperm clinic where she spawned her daughter makes me laugh just thinking of it.
Posted by: logprof, 2-time AoS fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 09:55 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 09:55 PM (qUNWi)
"Okay, look. What if those [terrorists] didn't even exist, huh? Did you ever think about that? I didn't know! So now, if I went in and made a major security issue out of it, everybody steps in. Administration steps in, and there are no exclusive rights for anybody; nobody wins. So I made a decision and it was... wrong. It was a bad call, Ripley, it was a bad call."
Posted by: derit at January 15, 2016 09:57 PM (jT+gh)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:57 PM (4ErVI)
>> One aspect of the US version that was without question better than the UK version.
Everything about that show was pure genius.
Posted by: eleven
I've seen exactly 2 episodes of both versions. The UK version is utter shite because Gervais didn't bother to act.
He just tittered and giggled and then apologized. He's a terrible, terrible actor.
It's too bad they didn't take Michael Scott and dump him into the UK "office."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 15, 2016 09:58 PM (AJ1u5)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 09:58 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: logprof, 2-time AoS fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 09:59 PM (vsbNu)
Watching Gold Rush.
Parker is a vagina. Jack-Off Man is useless and full of shit. I'd kick him off the show.
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:59 PM (zgYlH)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 09:59 PM (GDulk)
NDH said a couple of days ago that the administration intended *everyone* to be killed (at least once the killing had started). I agree.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (GDulk)
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Pop guard number three because... what difference does it make? Why leave a living witness?
Posted by: Al Pacino - Det. Vincent Hanna at January 15, 2016 09:59 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Dack
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* cries, in the rain*
Posted by: Roy Batty at January 15, 2016 09:59 PM (RrDm2)
these same Al Qaeda group that killed our people and torched our consulate in Benghazi
THAT is who the administration is insisting are moderates
THAT is who they think will fight ISIS
Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 15, 2016 10:00 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 10:00 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 10:00 PM (qUNWi)
324 Confession: I've never seen more than five minutes of Blade Runner.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 09:57 PM (4ErVI)
I saw a nicely restored version in the theater last week.
People clapped.
Posted by: eman at January 15, 2016 10:00 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 15, 2016 09:40 PM (erRNA)
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Unless explicitly told more than once...they'll assume it's Iraq.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 15, 2016 10:00 PM (MbrzC)
http://tinyurl.com/ndgqj3d
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 15, 2016 10:01 PM (kXoT0)
He just tittered and giggled and then apologized. He's a terrible, terrible actor.
It's too bad they didn't take Michael Scott and dump him into the UK "office."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 15, 2016 09:58 PM (AJ1u5)
--Just two episodes? Holy shit, you need to see at least Seasons 3 and 4 of the U.S. version. And the Christmas Special of the UK version is a riot.
Posted by: logprof, 2-time AoS fantasy football champion at January 15, 2016 10:01 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2016 10:01 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: logprof
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Watch for the guys carrying M-14's rather than those little poodle-shooter M-16's.
Posted by: Roy Batty at January 15, 2016 10:01 PM (RrDm2)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
How many Will Farrel movies have you memorized though?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 15, 2016 10:01 PM (AJ1u5)
For Blade Runner there is the Work print that was used for test screenings. The US release, the International release, the Director's Cut, and The Final Cut released in 2007 that fixes things like the bad lip-syncing between Deckard and Hasan the Egyptian?
Five versions. Piccard was stressed about four...
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 10:01 PM (S6BIA)
I haven't either, or read anything by PKD. I figure the really memorable lines have all been quoted here by the Horde at some point or another.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 10:01 PM (GDulk)
He just tittered and giggled and then apologized. He's a terrible, terrible actor.
As somebody you'd encounter in the workplace, he was more realistic. In fact, the whole UK version was much more realistic on what would actually happen to everybody.
Posted by: AD at January 15, 2016 10:01 PM (QWY55)
And that sucks, doesn't it? It means we are not ruled by a majority of rational people, but by whichever faction can produce a compelling "narrative" to persuade a majority of stupid, emotional people. That does not inspire confidence in the future.
Posted by: Mr. Spock at January 15, 2016 10:02 PM (GKF1b)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 10:02 PM (8HTq1)
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They just needed to relax with some Arcturian poontang.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 15, 2016 10:02 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 15, 2016 09:42 PM (uZNvH)
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I hope at the end there is a few photos of the real life people\damage... sort of like Argo (just an example)... you know... hey reminder dipsh1ts this actually happened and was for realzies.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 15, 2016 10:03 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 10:03 PM (S6BIA)
Posted by: eleven
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'Cry' is a verb, 'tears' is a plural noun.
The former denotes an action, the latter things.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 15, 2016 10:03 PM (RrDm2)
Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 15, 2016 10:03 PM (zOTsN)
"Okay, look. What if those [terrorists] didn't even exist, huh? Did you ever think about that? I didn't know! So now, if I went in and made a major security issue out of it, everybody steps in. Administration steps in, and there are no exclusive rights for anybody; nobody wins. So I made a decision and it was... wrong. It was a bad call, Ripley, it was a bad call."
Posted by: derit at January 15, 2016 09:57 PM (jT+gh)
Bad call? These people are DEAD, Burke! Don't you have any idea what you've done here? I'm gonna make sure they nail you right to the wall for this!
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 15, 2016 10:03 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 15, 2016 10:04 PM (GDulk)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 10:04 PM (8HTq1)
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They just needed to relax with some Arcturian poontang.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 15, 2016 10:02 PM (jR7Wy)
It's a rescue mission. You'll love it!
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 15, 2016 10:05 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: logprof,
Unforts, I have a limit of the amount of 'embarrasment' centric situation comedy I can ingest.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 15, 2016 10:06 PM (AJ1u5)
Posted by: Jeb Bush On His Tippy Toes at January 15, 2016 09:50 PM (zgYlH)
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An equal problem is most of the voting public doesn't want to spend the time listening to some guy who could do that, unless he can pack it into less then 60 seconds.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 15, 2016 10:07 PM (MbrzC)
The Marines sent in to solve the problem are trigger happy idiots. Vasquez, who gets a lot of slack, because woman with guns, actually causes every problem in the film. Lieutenant Whazzizname has no idea how to lead, yet he's in charge, because, uh, because. And Ripley, because SHE CARES, because FEMINISM, is the one to save the day. Because woman.
I can see some of this because of a conspiracy thing--the Paul Reiser guy purposefully selected the worst possible team to go in, because millions in profit--yeah, that's not Liberal at all--but most of the rest of the film just seems really sloppy.
As a mindless action film? One of the best. As a liberal propaganda tool...peerless.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 10:07 PM (B8JRQ)
Dack, because the captain of SS California was the closet ship to the sinking and did nothing. That's probably why.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2016 10:03 PM (S6BIA)
All those years later though. There was a pretty thorough inquest after the sinking and I recall White Star took the brunt of the criticism. I wouldn't think anyone could possibly sue 40 years later, but apparently he was concerned enough about it. Doubtless a horrible memory for him regardless.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 10:08 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 10:08 PM (8HTq1)
That's some pretty messed up shit right there.
Posted by: Angela Merkel at January 15, 2016 09:53 PM (GKF1b)
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I too would like that story rapped up.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 15, 2016 10:09 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 10:02 PM (8HTq1)
I was about 8 around the time of the release and I begged my parents for days to take me to go see it. Didn't happen.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 15, 2016 10:09 PM (jV8Mq)
Cameron hates the military. See Avatar and The Abyss for further confirmation.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 10:09 PM (4ErVI)
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and without management\people skills that he should have picked up\learned by now from prior mistakes.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 15, 2016 10:11 PM (MbrzC)
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What the hell??
They're making a Top Gun 2???
Tubby cheeto-eating drone pilots sitting in cubicles in Nevada and playing Call of Duty between wedding strikes.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 15, 2016 10:12 PM (Kucy5)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2016 10:12 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 10:13 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 10:14 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 15, 2016 10:15 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 15, 2016 10:16 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: derit at January 15, 2016 10:16 PM (jT+gh)
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2016 10:17 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta!) at January 15, 2016 10:33 PM (SLJ40)
Posted by: Chelby Flinton at January 15, 2016 10:34 PM (1pbmG)
Steevy--YES.
Alien was an A+ movie. Aliens was fun, but Liberal propoganda. B+ at best. An enabler for Cameron's screaming progressivism.
As the producers said, "Alien" was the haunted house ride. "Aliens" was the roller coaster.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 15, 2016 10:37 PM (B8JRQ)
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As far as I'm concerned, it was never filmed and doesn't exist. It shall not be mentioned in my house.
Posted by: stace at January 15, 2016 10:41 PM (CoX6k)
Posted by: gp at January 15, 2016 10:49 PM (mk9aG)
Posted by: Craig McCarthy at January 15, 2016 10:52 PM (VdeUu)
Posted by: Craig McCarthy at January 15, 2016 10:53 PM (VdeUu)
Posted by: Jimmy Jawbone at January 15, 2016 10:59 PM (D0kj8)
Sounds like the final battle of "Zulu."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 15, 2016 11:01 PM (oKE6c)
This is an important movie because what happened was important. Soulless liberals claim we're making something out of nothing, but people died, goddammit. That's not nothing, and that fact that Obama went to bed and then went to a fund raiser after a terrorist attack that killed a US FUCKING AMBASSADOR makes him not only a lousy President, but a lousy human being.
And Ace, one of the reasons all the actors playing the good guys look alike is because there are only about a dozen working actors that can believably play the kind of men that run towards the sound of the guns, and Eric Bana can't be in every movie. One of the actors in 13 Hours is Max Martini from "The Unit", an actor I really like who seems to only play bad ass soldiers.
Posted by: UGAdawg at January 15, 2016 11:06 PM (kPeSM)
I mean, it's a good role, it helps his career, it establishes him as a plausible actor for hero and action roles (dude is friggin' jacked with muscle), but this is going to be held as a black spot against him by progs, forever.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:31 PM (dciA+)
Could be a great career move, if the leftists' day is done. Maybe he figures it is, and that patriotism is due for a resurgence.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 15, 2016 11:11 PM (oKE6c)
the one thing is that it's kind of tough in
places. This isn't Rocky, really. There is a mostly happy ending -- most
people live -- but... well, you know, not everyone does.
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2016 08:08 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Dickie Betts fan at January 15, 2016 11:23 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: Bob at January 15, 2016 11:40 PM (jvsGP)
Posted by: Achilles at January 15, 2016 11:56 PM (MiGRM)
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at January 16, 2016 12:38 AM (x4OFF)
Posted by: docweasel at January 16, 2016 12:41 AM (XxzcU)
I doubt people inclined to vote for Hillary will bother to see this.
I do hope it consolidates the right so we all understand the stakes.
A refusal to vote for who ever the final Republican nominee is... will elect the woman who should have stopped Benghazi in the first place, but definitely should not have lied about it afterward.
Hillary Clinton is not Presidential material and should never get near the oval again. Cigar or no.
Failure to vote for Trump or Rubio or Cruz or any of the others, even Jeb, makes the deaths of these men a triumph for evil.
Please don't do that to this nation.
Posted by: petunia at January 16, 2016 12:51 AM (VoCyE)
Failure to vote for Trump or Rubio or Cruz or any of the others, even Jeb, makes the deaths of these men a triumph for evil.
Please don't do that to this nation.
Posted by: petunia at January 16, 2016 12:51 AM (VoCyE)
Your concern is noted.
I will not vote for Rubio or Bush under any circumstances, and I am not "doing" anything to this nation.
Posted by: rickl at January 16, 2016 01:12 AM (sdi6R)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at January 16, 2016 01:15 AM (WTSFk)
If that leaves us with Hillary then so be it, the country gets what it deserves.
Posted by: Sjg at January 16, 2016 01:23 AM (gDSJf)
Posted by: Sjg at January 16, 2016 01:25 AM (gDSJf)
Posted by: torabora at January 16, 2016 01:43 AM (ewUjq)
Posted by: torabora at January 16, 2016 01:46 AM (ewUjq)
He was also sodomized, probably after he was killed.
Posted by: biscuits mccoy at January 16, 2016 02:10 AM (OTaGx)
PS - Didn't see Titanic (Cameron) except chunks on TV. Stupid lame love story with a horrid Celine Dion song forced on us all. Middle aged white woman likes A Night To Remember much better.
Posted by: Lisa E at January 16, 2016 06:01 AM (qRCWj)
Posted by: Deep Thought at January 16, 2016 08:09 AM (oUYog)
Style question: Should I wear a "Ready for Hillary?" with a big red circle with a diagonal line shirt?
Posted by: Paladin at January 16, 2016 08:36 AM (tqNpd)
I believe Zombieland was not the slaughter pens but the overgrown graveyard that also bordered the compound.
Posted by: JIM at January 16, 2016 08:51 AM (gMzTj)
Anyone who is considering Hillary already has accepted that she's a lying, arrogant criminal. She's also a Democrat.
But I repeat myself.
Posted by: Jason M at January 16, 2016 10:47 AM (A+9q9)
Don't get me wrong: I hope Hillary takes all the heat she deserves from this fiasco but even more, I hope Mr. I Don't Start Wars, I End Them gets his due.
Posted by: Xerxes at January 16, 2016 11:24 AM (Uq9ly)
Oh, hilarious. God you're dumb. Benghazi-truther to the end.
I may have missed your Transformer reviews.
Posted by: Mr Czolgosz at January 16, 2016 11:33 AM (rP4wG)
Ditto. Pigs. Disgusting pigs. And more words.
Words are amazing and all, but they just can't express my disdain for these CSMF POS traitors.
So pigs is good enough.
Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 16, 2016 12:35 PM (WO2mC)
Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta!) at January 16, 2016 01:15 PM (SLJ40)
Posted by: torabora at January 16, 2016 01:44 PM (Rme2r)
Posted by: See at January 16, 2016 03:46 PM (xJjxo)
Is the movie such that I can take a 12 year old daughter who used to get
nightmares? I want my kids to know what happened (although I've told
them about it) but don't want to have to deal with more than a rational
amount of sobbing (of which I expect to be doing my own share).
12 year old with nightmares? Not the movie to see.
Posted by: Yankee-ROTOR, Self Winding at January 16, 2016 06:04 PM (mZS3c)
Posted by: Angry Marco at January 16, 2016 08:53 PM (ermrq)
Posted by: hurricane567 at January 16, 2016 09:16 PM (p91MH)
Posted by: james ruston at January 16, 2016 09:20 PM (XUZRA)
Posted by: Ed at January 16, 2016 10:35 PM (nJTWl)
Blackhawk Down, Lone Survivor, 13 Hours.
Nothing can get made where our guys WIN the battle, even if what really happened is inherently cinematic:
the Thunder Run into Baghdad, 2nd Fallujah, ... or 73 Easting back in the first Gulf War.
Guess that might be jingoistic or be too republican friendly.
Posted by: Newscaper at January 16, 2016 10:51 PM (wwING)
Posted by: Jeff at January 16, 2016 11:06 PM (bTxQr)
Posted by: IDNeon at January 17, 2016 12:03 AM (30FTe)
Posted by: thebronze at January 17, 2016 01:58 AM (jjGcp)
Posted by: El Putas at January 17, 2016 05:41 AM (0WvPp)
IDNeon - You probably are retarded, but you are definitely not a conservative.
Packing *so much* stoopid into such a pinhead-sized prog/commie brain is quite a feat.
For the record, it is eight committees, and only the House select committee was able to interview Hill-LIAR-y and review her destroyed/missing e-mails.
The other committees only looked into specific, non-serious issues regarding intel procedures, staffing, etc.
Posted by: tlk428 at January 17, 2016 06:18 AM (p3iwJ)
Posted by: jim at January 17, 2016 07:42 AM (McqA1)
Posted by: al at January 17, 2016 07:56 AM (McqA1)
Posted by: silveroak at January 17, 2016 08:27 AM (hB4kO)
Posted by: RD Davis at January 17, 2016 08:51 AM (RJvRh)
Posted by: Christine Craft at January 17, 2016 12:25 PM (DzdS6)
Posted by: sen darbi at January 17, 2016 02:00 PM (e62bF)
Posted by: Jaimo at January 17, 2016 03:57 PM (eDc0r)
It might not even make back it's budget.
Looks like Hillary isn't the only one who doesn't have time for yet another Benghazi freak out.
Posted by: nyk at January 17, 2016 05:07 PM (w8uRN)
Posted by: jetty at January 17, 2016 08:58 PM (XPqEM)
Posted by: gumby at January 17, 2016 09:11 PM (cxyn3)
Posted by: DEC at January 17, 2016 09:24 PM (MuNMZ)
This will be a shocking movie to Americans. We're used to seeing government incompetence, but not utter neglect. No one picking up the phone. No cavalry. Libyans rescuing our guys, not Americans. And now, the fact that no one outside conservative circles really cares. All the spin about planes not being combat-ready or whatever the fuck the libs are saying... all that tells us is that the incompetence was more than temporary, it was systemic. Not to mention the glimpse you get of all those Libyan arms on their way into the hands of ISIS. Excuse me, "moderate Muslims."
Posted by: evergreen at January 18, 2016 05:13 PM (tDwXn)
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