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Quinnipiac Poll: 50% Would be "Embarrassed" By a President Trump
While my last post declared I didn't care about the Trump controversy, that's just a personal take.
Other people do care, and so then Trump should care too. While I don't really care that Trump is embarrassing (but only because I don't believe any politician "reflects on me" -- I reflect on me, and my close associates and family, and that's about it), it should be noted that 50% of the country says they'd be "embarrassed" by a President Trump, and people will not voluntarily reduce their estimation of themselves nor their perceived social status. Meanwhile, Cruz is knocking on Trump's door per that poll -- 28% to 24%, nationally. I keep saying this: the Middle Class/upwardly mobile/Professional Class sense of propriety (something they take a great deal of pride in) may be silly but many things are silly -- and yet they're still very real. Trump is pushing a lot of the same buttons that Palin did, and creating minority of people who are intensely passionate about him, while rendering him unacceptable to a majority. I wrote Palin off when she kept going to the well of telling college graduates, basically, that they weren't all that smart and definitely weren't that superior. Now, I happen to agree with that, but it's a dumb thing to tell people whose votes you would need (if you actually ran for office, which Palin hasn't since 2008 ) that you think they're idiots. You don't win that way. You might think that the collegiate class code of conduct is a class-based more and largely an artificial one simply to point up class differences with those they consider beneath them (and it is that, largely), but that does mean that those class markers are not very potent, and indeed, much more important to most people than any "issue" or policy. The fact that I might think such markers are silly, and some of you might think they are silly, does not change the fact that a lot of people put a lot of personal worth bound up in those chits, and you denigrate those cherished (though silly) personal badges of self-value at your own dire peril. A lot of successful politics consists simply of flattering the vanities of people you actually consider to be perfect idiots. By the way, Megyn Kelly is moderating the next (last?) debate. That should be fun. I've mentioned this about Megyn Kelly -- she has a heavy investment in the idea of the prosperous, educated middle class having a certain code of proper conduct. Everyone is vain about their class markers -- including the working class. Why if I have to hear a working class person extol the virtues of the working class, the ones who actually do the work, and their natural good sense untainted by pretense... I mean, I'll kill myself. I hear that so much. You know how you can tell a workin' man? Because he's the guy telling you how great the workin' man is. Anyway, point is, everyone has these little huge class-based vanities.* Megyn Kelly has them too. That doesn't mean she's overall an idiot. She's a very smart person -- the smartest on Fox, most likely. Brit Hume's the same way -- another very smart guy, but with a substantial personal investment (as most people have) in the codes and mores of his class. Megyn Kelly and Brit Hume are both avatars of the right-leaning Upper Middle Class -- a very important cadre for the GOP. When you're alienating an important, large, and very influential part of the party -- and this particular cadre makes up 90% of those who man the right's communications and theorizing positions -- you're doing so at what I don't even think can be called a "risk," because "risk" implies there's only a chance you'll suffer from it. You will suffer for it. It's guaranteed. My Palin comparison was made to illustrate the following point: If you have minority of 25% in your corner, and they absolutely love you, why would you just keep flattering that significant-but-far-from-majority cohort while also insulting/embarrassing/alienating the other 26% you absolutely need to win an election? Sometimes I just think this is pure lazybones and vanity shit -- do what's worked before. This worked to get you this 25% minority; the 25% minority still loves it; you get adulation and applause every time you play to this 25% minority. But Palin's base was already locked down. They would crawl over broken glass for her. Wasn't it time, at some point, to begin chasing the support of this cohort and that cohort to extend the appeal beyond the 25% Stalwarts? And I see Trump doing this. He's got 25% in the bank -- in the bank. Locked up. Locked down. And so does he begin to take that base of support, and begin conquering new territory, recruiting new warriors for his army? No. He still seems to be playing exclusively to that 25%. Now if Trump wins the nomination, he can count on that 25% expanding. Many Republicans who viscerally oppose him, like a Gabe or a Jeff B., will in fact rally to his side. Not eagerly, but they'll do it. But those are highly-motivated Republican partisans. That itself is an even smaller minority. That group is even smaller than his current base of support. So yes, Trump will automatically win the Republican diehards who will vote for any candidate to stop another four years of Democrat misrule. And that will put him at, say, 31-33%. And then what? And then what? People may say "Oh he's got time to work on the next 18%," but the problem is not just that he's not working on those right now (which could be excused as a good prioritization, given that he's in a primary and hasn't won this thing yet, not even close), it's that on a weekly basis he actively insults and embarrasses them and pushes them closer and closer to the point where they just decide they will not vote for Donald Trump, ever. First impressions, and image, Trump would be the first to tell you, count for an awful lot. At some point I stopped believing that Palin ever could chase anyone but the 25% who liked her, or even had the diligence or courage to attempt venturing out into new territory. Every week, Trump gives me the same crawly feeling: This guy just doesn't have the smarts, or the stones, to move beyond his comfort zone of the people he's already got in the bag. Now I don't know when Trump should begin actively courting those outside his base of support. But I can tell you when he should stop embarrassing them. And the answer to that is the same answer to Morissey's question: "How soon is now?" * My personal class-based vanity is being able to see how silly everyone else's class-based vanities are. That's the vanity of someone who's signalling he's of the Philosophical and Thinking Class. Vanities aren't like assholes, they're like teeth: We all have a bunch of them, and we show them off every time we open our mouths.Comments
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But embarrassed by an elderly lying boozehound stroke victim? Why no, not at all.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 22, 2015 06:21 PM (8ZskC)
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Cocktail party invites mean something.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 22, 2015 06:22 PM (8ZskC)
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I'll vote for him, but for God's sake, I won't put up a lawn sign.
Posted by: T. Coddington Van Voorhies III at December 22, 2015 06:24 PM (8ZskC)
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I am embarrassed that these pile of turds is the best candidates our country can put forward.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 22, 2015 06:24 PM (btH0m)
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less embarrassing than the current gay blade president is still technically embarrassed I guess.
Posted by: X at December 22, 2015 06:25 PM (57fhp)
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Maybe I'll read the post now.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 22, 2015 06:25 PM (8ZskC)
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Sorry I was in the can. What's this all about?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton Not Confused at December 22, 2015 06:25 PM (AhyHb)
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That's all well and good Ace, but why no artist's interpretation for this one, eh? Shorting the dude's hours so you can skip out on the Obamacare premiums? Scrooge!!!
Starving artists are called starving artists for a reason.
Starving artists are called starving artists for a reason.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 22, 2015 06:25 PM (NeFrd)
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All I know is nice women Jewish democrat voters are strongly considering voting for him
Posted by: ThunderB at December 22, 2015 06:26 PM (zOTsN)
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As someone suggested earlier, I think (hope) that Trump is running interference for Cruz, and he (Trump) is okay with that. I'm still not convinced that he really wants to be president, or thinks that he's qualified.
That would, at least, make him far more self-aware than most politicians.
That would, at least, make him far more self-aware than most politicians.
Posted by: pep at December 22, 2015 06:26 PM (LAe3v)
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>>I am embarrassed that these pile of turds is the best candidates our country can put forward.
Posted by: Minnfidel
Are you ready for me yet? I'm so bland I don't even smell like a turd.
Posted by: Minnfidel
Are you ready for me yet? I'm so bland I don't even smell like a turd.
Posted by: Jeb! at December 22, 2015 06:26 PM (c7vUv)
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i thought it was a movie review.
We were are cheering for teh Fred years ago.
Lot's of time let's all chill out. Fvck Trump. he needs to go.
We were are cheering for teh Fred years ago.
Lot's of time let's all chill out. Fvck Trump. he needs to go.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 06:27 PM (jJRIy)
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Trump is a buffoon.. a buffoon with his heart in the right place and with the basics we want on our side and in the White House.
He's still a buffoon though.. or maybe blowhard is a better word.. I don't know.
All I do know is that he will cost us the White House if he is the nominee. Nobody likes Hillary except for die-hard Dems.. and half of those like Bernie even better.
Yes, they will turn out to vote for Hill like good little socialists they are, but she will lose a certain percentage that voted for Obama.. maybe 2 or 3 or 4 percent. But that is enough!
Except with Trump in the race, all those stay-at-home Dem voters will trot their asses out to vote against him.
Hillary as the Dem nominee is our best shot at getting the Presidency back.. but then there's Trump.. we are so fucked.
He's still a buffoon though.. or maybe blowhard is a better word.. I don't know.
All I do know is that he will cost us the White House if he is the nominee. Nobody likes Hillary except for die-hard Dems.. and half of those like Bernie even better.
Yes, they will turn out to vote for Hill like good little socialists they are, but she will lose a certain percentage that voted for Obama.. maybe 2 or 3 or 4 percent. But that is enough!
Except with Trump in the race, all those stay-at-home Dem voters will trot their asses out to vote against him.
Hillary as the Dem nominee is our best shot at getting the Presidency back.. but then there's Trump.. we are so fucked.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 22, 2015 06:27 PM (634Iz)
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Yep, they seem to have missed asking of embarrassment of obama or hillary, but IIRC there were also stories about how people were embarrassed by Bush.
I wonder why.
Yep, they seem to have missed asking of embarrassment of obama or hillary, but IIRC there were also stories about how people were embarrassed by Bush.
I wonder why.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 22, 2015 06:27 PM (ODxAs)
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>>>7 Sorry I was in the can. What's this all about?
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L O effin' L
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L O effin' L
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:27 PM (dciA+)
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>>>Yep, they seem to have missed asking of embarrassment of obama or hillary,
they did ask about hillary -- she would embarrass 33% of the population.
That's about the % of hardcore GOPers. And it's obviously a lot smaller than the big dangerous number of 50%.
they did ask about hillary -- she would embarrass 33% of the population.
That's about the % of hardcore GOPers. And it's obviously a lot smaller than the big dangerous number of 50%.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:28 PM (dciA+)
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What is the current number for those embarrassed by our current "President"?
No interest there, right MSM?
Any embarrassment would, of course, be based on racism.
amirite?
No interest there, right MSM?
Any embarrassment would, of course, be based on racism.
amirite?
Posted by: Joe Mama at December 22, 2015 06:29 PM (j/0iw)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 22, 2015 06:29 PM (8ZskC)
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Hahaha...what a poll question!
How about "Are you embarrassed your nation is trillions of dollars in debt?" or "Are you embarrassed to be on EBT or Welfare?" or "Are you embarrassed by the way our returning Vets are treated by the VA?" or "Are you embarrassed that over 90 million Americans of working age are not in the workforce?".
Hahaha....embarrassed by Trump being Preezy?....really? Been to WalMart lately?
How about "Are you embarrassed your nation is trillions of dollars in debt?" or "Are you embarrassed to be on EBT or Welfare?" or "Are you embarrassed by the way our returning Vets are treated by the VA?" or "Are you embarrassed that over 90 million Americans of working age are not in the workforce?".
Hahaha....embarrassed by Trump being Preezy?....really? Been to WalMart lately?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 22, 2015 06:30 PM (ej1L0)
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The thought of that hateful man as President makes me flee to my safe space. He'll ruin everything Blessed Brother Barack has worked so hard to fundamentally transform.
Posted by: Pale Bearded Atheist Lesbian Obese Tattoo Model at December 22, 2015 06:30 PM (KSP4V)
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"It takes a very particular poll sample to generate such a result. A polling sample where only 4% of GOP respondents value gun ownership rights higher than climate change concerns..."
http://bit.ly/1U3mjPr
http://bit.ly/1U3mjPr
Posted by: despair at December 22, 2015 06:31 PM (VrdxH)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 22, 2015 06:31 PM (OMTVG)
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>>> All I know is nice women Jewish democrat voters are strongly considering voting for him
that's possible. the upside of trump is that he's such an odd candidate that he could, maybe, pull in people who would usually not vote or even vote Democratic.
But it doesn't seem like he needs to insult other groups -- I don't mean hillary clinton, he can insult her; I mean insulting the sense of propriety of large swaths of voters -- in order to do this.
that's possible. the upside of trump is that he's such an odd candidate that he could, maybe, pull in people who would usually not vote or even vote Democratic.
But it doesn't seem like he needs to insult other groups -- I don't mean hillary clinton, he can insult her; I mean insulting the sense of propriety of large swaths of voters -- in order to do this.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:31 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 22, 2015 06:31 PM (ODxAs)
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People think its funny but its really wet and runny
Posted by: The Shillary at December 22, 2015 06:31 PM (dULJN)
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I didn't see where any of those 50% who were embarrassed said they wouldn't vote for Donald Trump's Hair in the general.
And any poll that shows the communist Bernie Sanders with a lead over Trump is suspect. There's no way his name recognition is that high.
And any poll that shows the communist Bernie Sanders with a lead over Trump is suspect. There's no way his name recognition is that high.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 22, 2015 06:32 PM (LUgeY)
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Every week, Trump gives me the same crawly feeling: This guy just
doesn't have the smarts, or the stones, to move beyond his comfort zone
of the people he's already got in the bag.
That is because Trump is an egomaniac. He thrives on people telling him how great he is. That is why he flip-flops all the time on every issue, because he constantly wants to be told that "he's right" and so he changes his position every time to chase those people who will give him the most flattery.
doesn't have the smarts, or the stones, to move beyond his comfort zone
of the people he's already got in the bag.
That is because Trump is an egomaniac. He thrives on people telling him how great he is. That is why he flip-flops all the time on every issue, because he constantly wants to be told that "he's right" and so he changes his position every time to chase those people who will give him the most flattery.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:32 PM (5p18q)
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Quinnipac's polls have some oddball correlations if you compare them with other statistics and dig into the details - one recent example had a 6/5 sampling ratio of Republican to Democrat voters yet Dem candidates were performing oddly well vs. the entire GOP field. I can buy that some Republicans prefer Bush to Trump or Cruz, but that they'd prefer Hillary to anyone on our side is a square pill to swallow.
Likewise Hillary being an embarrassment to only 1/3 of voters would suggest a) all Democrat-leaning voters are not embarrassed by Hillary and b) 2/3 of the population are Democrat-leaning voters. If a) is wrong, b)'s ratio has to be even higher. How did Romney come within even 20% of winning in 2012 (much less his actual much slimmer loss margin) if the public skews this strongly?
Likewise Hillary being an embarrassment to only 1/3 of voters would suggest a) all Democrat-leaning voters are not embarrassed by Hillary and b) 2/3 of the population are Democrat-leaning voters. If a) is wrong, b)'s ratio has to be even higher. How did Romney come within even 20% of winning in 2012 (much less his actual much slimmer loss margin) if the public skews this strongly?
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 22, 2015 06:32 PM (RtG9B)
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Well, we will find out soon enough who the nominee will be. If it is Trump, he might be smart enough or surround himself with some smart advisors to help him tweak his tactics for the general election. For all his buffoonish ways, he is not stupid. You don't get to be that successful being a dumb ass making dumb ass decisions.
Posted by: IC at December 22, 2015 06:32 PM (a0IVu)
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The poor and the needy are selfish and greedy!
Posted by: While we're doing Morissey Quotes at December 22, 2015 06:32 PM (Kqit+)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 22, 2015 06:32 PM (0NdlF)
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I agree 100% with the analysis in general. It's the same problem the GOPe has as well. They have not just been bashing Trump but questioning and belittling those who support him as well. They are under the misguided notion that those insulted will support whoever the nominee is. They will be surprised when Hillary wheezes across the finish line because Trump supporters in Ohio, Florida, Colorado stayed home.
Need to stop the infighting and just focus on beating Hillary. Only way to prevent the Democrats long con and avoid a permanent shift.
Need to stop the infighting and just focus on beating Hillary. Only way to prevent the Democrats long con and avoid a permanent shift.
Posted by: Kevin at December 22, 2015 06:33 PM (MnIp/)
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So when President Obama is frogmarched out of the White House, will his supporters commit suicide, pretty please?
Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2015 06:33 PM (BngQR)
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When you're alienating an important, large, and very influential
part of the party -- and this particular cadre makes up 90% of those who
man the right's communications and theorizing positions -- you're doing
so at what I don't even think can be called a "risk," because "risk"
implies there's only a chance you'll suffer from it.
Isn't alienating the gope *the entire point* of supporting Trump?
I lose nothing that I currently have or value in doing so.
part of the party -- and this particular cadre makes up 90% of those who
man the right's communications and theorizing positions -- you're doing
so at what I don't even think can be called a "risk," because "risk"
implies there's only a chance you'll suffer from it.
Isn't alienating the gope *the entire point* of supporting Trump?
I lose nothing that I currently have or value in doing so.
Posted by: Methos at December 22, 2015 06:33 PM (ZbV+0)
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Ace, maybe the entire problem is that the only vanity class that can appeal to that other 26% is the Professional Pandering Politicians™.
A class that signals they will sell 'you' (the generic 'you') down the river once they no longer need your vote.
A class that signals they will sell 'you' (the generic 'you') down the river once they no longer need your vote.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 22, 2015 06:34 PM (NeFrd)
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But, a condition precedent to all this analysis being accurate and useful is that the polls are sacrosanct in the sense that they are run with the purest of motives and execution. That's where it goes off the rails for me.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at December 22, 2015 06:34 PM (wLLbf)
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I note the same poll says head to head Cruz and Hillary are tied at 44
Posted by: ThunderB at December 22, 2015 06:34 PM (zOTsN)
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Seems like we're at a standoff. Dems will crawl across broken glass to vote against Cruz and Trump. The republican base has been f'd by the party so much that these two are the only (viable) ones they'll vote for.
Posted by: traye at December 22, 2015 06:34 PM (YiqHR)
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When I'm lying in my bed. I think about Hill and I think about Trump. And neither one particularly appeals to me.
Posted by: While we're doing Morissey Quotes at December 22, 2015 06:34 PM (Kqit+)
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Trump is one of those dumb smart people. Smart enough to do what he has done but not smart enough to do what "we" want him to do.
Posted by: Tim in Illinios Old and Unimproved but reduced in Price. at December 22, 2015 06:34 PM (WVsWD)
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"Embarrassed" and "qualified to be president". Something very odd about those very concepts still existing in 2015, dontcha think?
And Nip, no, it's time for Kasich and Rubio to get lost. Unelectable, slimy mediocrities, Central Casting shallow lying politicos. They would not draw 1 voter to the polls who isn't already going.
And Nip, no, it's time for Kasich and Rubio to get lost. Unelectable, slimy mediocrities, Central Casting shallow lying politicos. They would not draw 1 voter to the polls who isn't already going.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 22, 2015 06:35 PM (QDnY+)
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That may be true but political coalitions mean you have to offer the parts or your coalition something. The Upper Middle Class Republicans aren't offering the rest of their coalition anything. Trump is the result.
Based on the latest budget, the UMCR's seem to only want:
- cheap labor
- PP untouched
- higher gov't spending
- more "refugees"
What are they offering the working class?
Based on the latest budget, the UMCR's seem to only want:
- cheap labor
- PP untouched
- higher gov't spending
- more "refugees"
What are they offering the working class?
Posted by: WOPR at December 22, 2015 06:35 PM (LTDSy)
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Quinnipiac Poll: 50% Would be "Embarrassed" By a President Trump
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Yeah it would be terrible if we had a president who didn't know how many states there were or thought that they spoke austrian in Austria...
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Yeah it would be terrible if we had a president who didn't know how many states there were or thought that they spoke austrian in Austria...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2015 06:35 PM (5LOno)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:36 PM (5p18q)
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I've been schlonged !
Posted by: The Shillary at December 22, 2015 06:36 PM (dULJN)
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>>>"But what will They think!?!"
Don't care.
...
I *kinda* hear that, and do appreciate, greatly, Trump's work to expand the permissible range of political speech, but bear in mind, that range only stays expanded if he wins, or at least comes close.
if he loses badly, it contracts again.
I'm not saying he has to be buttoned down. I'm just saying he needs to be cognizant of the psychology of human beings, and the fact that if you make someone feel like they are Less Than they think of themselves if they vote for you -- they won't vote for you.
People's self-regard is very important to them.
Don't care.
...
I *kinda* hear that, and do appreciate, greatly, Trump's work to expand the permissible range of political speech, but bear in mind, that range only stays expanded if he wins, or at least comes close.
if he loses badly, it contracts again.
I'm not saying he has to be buttoned down. I'm just saying he needs to be cognizant of the psychology of human beings, and the fact that if you make someone feel like they are Less Than they think of themselves if they vote for you -- they won't vote for you.
People's self-regard is very important to them.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:36 PM (dciA+)
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* My personal class-based vanity is being able to see how silly everyone else's class-based vanities are. That's the vanity of someone who's signalling he's of the Philosophical and Thinking Class.
I like all of your class-based and tribal analyses, and I do think they're instructive.
I'm not sure that it's a particular class or tribe bias -- because it probably is -- but I do put a premium on manners.
And I like to have discussions among people who can politely disagree with each other, who can argue the merits of issues, who bring some knowledge to the table.
In short, I like to interact with polite smart people.
(*glares at the people wondering what I'm doing here*)
It is maybe glib to say that expecting certain mannerisms is a class signifier. I think manners is one of the things that can span several classes or tribes.
I like all of your class-based and tribal analyses, and I do think they're instructive.
I'm not sure that it's a particular class or tribe bias -- because it probably is -- but I do put a premium on manners.
And I like to have discussions among people who can politely disagree with each other, who can argue the merits of issues, who bring some knowledge to the table.
In short, I like to interact with polite smart people.
(*glares at the people wondering what I'm doing here*)
It is maybe glib to say that expecting certain mannerisms is a class signifier. I think manners is one of the things that can span several classes or tribes.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 22, 2015 06:36 PM (1xUj/)
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how accurate / reliable has Quinnipiac been so far this cycle?
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 22, 2015 06:36 PM (F+xWX)
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If Trump is such a "buffoon" then how come he's leading?
Posted by: tu3031 at December 22, 2015 06:36 PM (YFFpo)
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What are they offering the working class?
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The opportunity to pay taxes to the glorious bush dynasty?
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The opportunity to pay taxes to the glorious bush dynasty?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2015 06:37 PM (5LOno)
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Ok. One more and then I'm done. I think.
A crack on the head
Because of those things you said
Things you said
The things you did
Unruly Trump
Who will not grow
Must be taken in hand
A crack on the head
Because of those things you said
Things you said
The things you did
Unruly Trump
Who will not grow
Must be taken in hand
Posted by: While we're doing Morissey Quotes at December 22, 2015 06:37 PM (Kqit+)
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Pep,
I'm with you & hope Cruz wins.
WaPo pictured Cruz kids as monkeys! I dare that bitch to do same with SCOAMT kids.
I'm with you & hope Cruz wins.
WaPo pictured Cruz kids as monkeys! I dare that bitch to do same with SCOAMT kids.
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 06:37 PM (sj3Ax)
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Ok Ace, I'll bite. Trump's not going to moderate his bluster, but that's not the only way you broaden a base of support. He's reaching for a broader ideological base with populist apostasies from GOP doctrine ala Buchanan in the 90s - immigration enforcement, protectionism, nativism, and an anti-interventionist foreign policy. It remains to be seen whether this is a net-gainer strategy, but it's a bit blinkered to say he's a one-trick pony and that pony is merely saying stuff like "schlonged."
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 22, 2015 06:37 PM (RtG9B)
Posted by: Tim in Illinios Old and Unimproved but reduced in Price. at December 22, 2015 06:38 PM (WVsWD)
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But I do think Ace is on to something, Trump represents a vehicle by which the "common man" can rail against "the elites"
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:38 PM (5p18q)
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I've courted the schlong on many occasions, and look forward to visiting with a few hundred additional schlong's in the future.
I've courted the schlong on many occasions, and look forward to visiting with a few hundred additional schlong's in the future.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 22, 2015 06:38 PM (OiFtZ)
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Here is what I think about this election that I won't be participating in. I comes down to about a dozen districts each in about 5 states for the electoral college to shift. Both hillary and trump are so despised by a large swath of people, it will be who micro-manages the get out the vote there. The GOP estabs have almost assured that Trump can't win.
Here is what I think about this election that I won't be participating in. I comes down to about a dozen districts each in about 5 states for the electoral college to shift. Both hillary and trump are so despised by a large swath of people, it will be who micro-manages the get out the vote there. The GOP estabs have almost assured that Trump can't win.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 22, 2015 06:38 PM (ODxAs)
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I mean it looks like a poll meant to influence voters, like how Monmouth has been reliably wrong all throughout in just such a way as to attempt to influence events.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 22, 2015 06:38 PM (F+xWX)
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>>>Isn't alienating the gope *the entire point* of supporting Trump?
no... the point is BEATING them, dude.
The point is embarrassing them.
The point is doing the opposite of what they told us we "must" do and then winning.
The point is *gloating* after a win.
Just alienating them, while nice, is not actually beating them. That's just us saying "We hate you." Not the same as us saying "We beat you, and you're now all done, forever."
no... the point is BEATING them, dude.
The point is embarrassing them.
The point is doing the opposite of what they told us we "must" do and then winning.
The point is *gloating* after a win.
Just alienating them, while nice, is not actually beating them. That's just us saying "We hate you." Not the same as us saying "We beat you, and you're now all done, forever."
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:39 PM (dciA+)
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You know, I've heard "schlong" all my life and I'm a Southern redneck, so that shows how far and wide that Yiddish term has gone. It does have a ring to it. And yes, used as verb for years as well.
My give a fuck for this is a zero as well. It's no more vulgar than saying "screwed" as far I'm concerned. This is pure ginned up outrage by the media and establishment. No normal person, outside of those, gives a flying fiddler's f--, uh 'schlonging" about it.
My give a fuck for this is a zero as well. It's no more vulgar than saying "screwed" as far I'm concerned. This is pure ginned up outrage by the media and establishment. No normal person, outside of those, gives a flying fiddler's f--, uh 'schlonging" about it.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 22, 2015 06:39 PM (dvuhZ)
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>>>But I do think Ace is on to something, Trump represents a vehicle by which the "common man" can rail against "the elites"
it is that, but he's already got those people.
it is that, but he's already got those people.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:40 PM (dciA+)
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As for me, Brit and Megan mean nothing, absolutely nothing, they want Yeb!. I do NOT. I have a swathe of GOP candidates who will never ever get my vote, listing those still in the race, they are in no particular order:
Rubio
Christie
Yeb!
Huckabee
Rand
Carson
Kasich
I would for any combination of these:
Carly
The Donald
Ted
Rubio
Christie
Yeb!
Huckabee
Rand
Carson
Kasich
I would for any combination of these:
Carly
The Donald
Ted
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 22, 2015 06:40 PM (kXoT0)
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She's a very smart person -- the smartest on Fox, most likely.
This is so laughable, Ace. She's vapid to the max. IF- and that is a YUUUGE if- she is, then everyone should change the channel a long time ago.
This is so laughable, Ace. She's vapid to the max. IF- and that is a YUUUGE if- she is, then everyone should change the channel a long time ago.
Posted by: exhippie at December 22, 2015 06:40 PM (9STDh)
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Meh.
The embarrassment thing is probably the best shot the Dims/GOPe have at stopping Trump right now.
It's the kind of non-specific that requires no thought beyond agreement and virtue signaling which makes it perfect for Dims and LiV.
But, honestly, Bobble-head Jeb! embarrasses me far more than anything done by Trump.
He's just an entitled wet-sack-of-crap Momma's boy.
The embarrassment thing is probably the best shot the Dims/GOPe have at stopping Trump right now.
It's the kind of non-specific that requires no thought beyond agreement and virtue signaling which makes it perfect for Dims and LiV.
But, honestly, Bobble-head Jeb! embarrasses me far more than anything done by Trump.
He's just an entitled wet-sack-of-crap Momma's boy.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 22, 2015 06:40 PM (0cMkb)
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Ok, I lied.
This Trump isn't funny anymore.
He hits too close to home
And it's too near the bone
More than you'll ever know
This Trump isn't funny anymore.
He hits too close to home
And it's too near the bone
More than you'll ever know
Posted by: Hillary -The Pooper- Morissey at December 22, 2015 06:41 PM (Kqit+)
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Alinsky Rule 5: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating.
Trump: Alinsky you magnificent bastard. I read your book!
Trump: Alinsky you magnificent bastard. I read your book!
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 22, 2015 06:41 PM (r1fLd)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoiO0r0AoAA
Much better version of How Soon is now, and you don't have to sit through the insufferable Morrissey (and his girlfriend in a coma).
Much better version of How Soon is now, and you don't have to sit through the insufferable Morrissey (and his girlfriend in a coma).
Posted by: Oedipus at December 22, 2015 06:41 PM (CXLVd)
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The point is *gloating* after a win.
Just alienating them, while nice, is not actually beating them. That's just us saying "We hate you." Not the same as us saying "We beat you, and you're now all done, forever."
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:39 PM (dciA+)
This is why, if Trump gets the nom, I plan on being a major twat about how, according to the rules I have been told for the last 20+ years, all of those horrified by Trump must now STFD and STFU and go out there and support him.
Because surely the vote GOP no matter what position wasn't merely one of convenience but one of conviction, right? Surely that's it.
Why, no, I am not a better person, in case that was in doubt.
*fails Bander's manners test*
Just alienating them, while nice, is not actually beating them. That's just us saying "We hate you." Not the same as us saying "We beat you, and you're now all done, forever."
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:39 PM (dciA+)
This is why, if Trump gets the nom, I plan on being a major twat about how, according to the rules I have been told for the last 20+ years, all of those horrified by Trump must now STFD and STFU and go out there and support him.
Because surely the vote GOP no matter what position wasn't merely one of convenience but one of conviction, right? Surely that's it.
Why, no, I am not a better person, in case that was in doubt.
*fails Bander's manners test*
Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at December 22, 2015 06:42 PM (IrByp)
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Maintaining class is very important. I read the entire post with my pinky raised.
Posted by: despair at December 22, 2015 06:42 PM (VrdxH)
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But would they be embarrassed by Hillary! destroying a public restroom?
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 06:42 PM (HgMAr)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoiO0r0AoAA
Much better version of How Soon is now, and you don't have to suffer through the insufferable Morrissey (and his girlfriend in a coma).
Much better version of How Soon is now, and you don't have to suffer through the insufferable Morrissey (and his girlfriend in a coma).
Posted by: Oedipus at December 22, 2015 06:42 PM (CXLVd)
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Yeah I never got the impression that Megyn Kelly is "smart". I think she is savvy in ginning up outrage, for sure. But not especially smart.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:42 PM (5p18q)
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Only thing I'd question is the assumption that Megyn Kelly represents the Middle Class.
She hasn't been Middle Class in ages. She's Upper Class.
She hasn't been Middle Class in ages. She's Upper Class.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 22, 2015 06:42 PM (4ErVI)
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>>>> but it's a bit blinkered to say he's a one-trick pony and that pony is merely saying stuff like "schlonged."
it's not just that, obviously. I had my own vanities insulted when he proposed the silly, pandering idea that "all cop killers get the death penalty."
If he keeps playing it that way, appealing only to the people who think that kind of idea is constitutional and appealing, he'll wind up with only those people.
Not to mention him saying Vladimir Putin was a great leader, just because he flattered Trump!
it's not just that, obviously. I had my own vanities insulted when he proposed the silly, pandering idea that "all cop killers get the death penalty."
If he keeps playing it that way, appealing only to the people who think that kind of idea is constitutional and appealing, he'll wind up with only those people.
Not to mention him saying Vladimir Putin was a great leader, just because he flattered Trump!
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:42 PM (dciA+)
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>>> Yeah I never got the impression that Megyn Kelly is "smart". I think she is savvy in ginning up outrage, for sure. But not especially smart.
no?
I think she's very smart. Or at least very quick and lucid, which... is kinda what most people think of when they think "smart."
no?
I think she's very smart. Or at least very quick and lucid, which... is kinda what most people think of when they think "smart."
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:43 PM (dciA+)
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"Just alienating them, while nice, is not actually beating them. That's just us saying "We hate you." Not the same as us saying "We beat you, and you're now all done, forever."
Well, there's that and there's also denying them what they want.
They want: Jeb
They'll accept: Rubio
They'll get: Trump
Well, there's that and there's also denying them what they want.
They want: Jeb
They'll accept: Rubio
They'll get: Trump
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 06:43 PM (Kqit+)
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A lot of successful politics consists simply of flattering the vanities of people you actually consider to be perfect idiots.
Obama considers *us* to be perfect idiots, but I don't seem him flattering our vanity.
Obama considers *us* to be perfect idiots, but I don't seem him flattering our vanity.
Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2015 06:43 PM (sdi6R)
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The Donald could wrap this whole thing up if he showed up in Iowa in a pair of dungarees with a Carhartt canvas jacket.
Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2015 06:44 PM (BngQR)
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So, if Trump can win over a couple of percent, he's in.
His favorable rating is at 58%....hmmm.
I like Cruz, but the Q poll looks to be an outlier.
Reuters poll just came out and it's more in line with the rest, unlike the Q poll.
Trump 37
Cruz 11
Carson 11
Rubio 8
His favorable rating is at 58%....hmmm.
I like Cruz, but the Q poll looks to be an outlier.
Reuters poll just came out and it's more in line with the rest, unlike the Q poll.
Trump 37
Cruz 11
Carson 11
Rubio 8
Posted by: Meremortal at December 22, 2015 06:44 PM (3myMJ)
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But would they be embarrassed by Hillary! destroying a public restroom?
___
In fairness my lunch was Chipolte and bourbon. Well...mostly bourbon.
___
In fairness my lunch was Chipolte and bourbon. Well...mostly bourbon.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 22, 2015 06:44 PM (5LOno)
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My personal take has always been that Trump is a gas giant clearing the orbit of debris so that other planets can thrive.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 22, 2015 06:44 PM (jR7Wy)
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The term "virtue signaling" is such a great descriptor of tribal behaviour.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 22, 2015 06:44 PM (ftVQq)
83
BTW, I have accepted that a repudiation of the GOPe is an acceptable outcome, *even if we lose disastrously.*
HOWEVER, I would like to have my cake and eat it too, and win.
I would like that very much.
HOWEVER, I would like to have my cake and eat it too, and win.
I would like that very much.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:44 PM (dciA+)
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I think there is a large group who would be embarrassed to admit they are voting for Trump. That is not the same thing.
In California, it is called "The Bradley Effect" because a lot of people told pollsters they were voting for him (He was black) and then they didn't. Obama benefited from the next step, which was to actually cast the fatal vote.
In California, it is called "The Bradley Effect" because a lot of people told pollsters they were voting for him (He was black) and then they didn't. Obama benefited from the next step, which was to actually cast the fatal vote.
Posted by: Mike K at December 22, 2015 06:44 PM (5namt)
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One way Trump makes it easier to be a convert: saying the media lies. If you go from antiTrump to pro, the media done it. And it's more than convenience, it's truth for most I'd guess.
Posted by: East Bay Jay at December 22, 2015 06:44 PM (PvCxa)
86
*fails Bander's manners test*
Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches
It's OK.
Boobs make up for a lot.
Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches
It's OK.
Boobs make up for a lot.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 22, 2015 06:45 PM (1xUj/)
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Need to stop the infighting and just focus on beating Hillary.
THIS times a bazillion.
Trump is not the enemy, leftards are. The Party of Stoopid has yet to discover this simple fact.
They could be digging up all manner of oppo research on teh Hildabeast and playing it now, but for some reason they won't.
THIS times a bazillion.
Trump is not the enemy, leftards are. The Party of Stoopid has yet to discover this simple fact.
They could be digging up all manner of oppo research on teh Hildabeast and playing it now, but for some reason they won't.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 22, 2015 06:45 PM (LUgeY)
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You elected Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden, 50%. Nothing, including clearing a building so you can take a dump, should embarrass you.
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2015 06:45 PM (mxCgt)
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>>>Obama considers *us* to be perfect idiots, but I don't seem him flattering our vanity.
because he already won.
He never said that "bitter clinger" remark publicly. (He didn't intend it to get out.)
because he already won.
He never said that "bitter clinger" remark publicly. (He didn't intend it to get out.)
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:45 PM (dciA+)
90
Courtesy flush, bitch!
Courtesy flush, bitch!
Posted by: Hillary!s feet at December 22, 2015 06:45 PM (HgMAr)
91
Hell, I bet way more than 50% have been 'embarrassed' about resident ubama for the past 7 years. Or were they skeered to ask that question?
Posted by: Eromero at December 22, 2015 06:45 PM (b+df9)
Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at December 22, 2015 06:46 PM (IrByp)
93
I *kinda* hear that, and do appreciate, greatly, Trump's work to expand the permissible range of political speech, but bear in mind, that range only stays expanded if he wins, or at least comes close.
if he loses badly, it contracts again.
If Trump loses, I think we can kiss goodbye to America as we've known it.
Amnesty, Failure Theater, Muslim importation ... the system will break itself pursuing the usual Leftist policies, slow or fast.
I'd like to see Trump win. But really, I don't care how those who are wrong feel about Trump - either the US is ready for a turning point, or it's ready to glide beautifully off the cliff. (Or maybe it already is)
if he loses badly, it contracts again.
If Trump loses, I think we can kiss goodbye to America as we've known it.
Amnesty, Failure Theater, Muslim importation ... the system will break itself pursuing the usual Leftist policies, slow or fast.
I'd like to see Trump win. But really, I don't care how those who are wrong feel about Trump - either the US is ready for a turning point, or it's ready to glide beautifully off the cliff. (Or maybe it already is)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 22, 2015 06:46 PM (0NdlF)
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I'm glad I haven't thrown my hat in the ring for any candidate yet. I'm just watching and waiting to see what happens.
But I am 100% opposed to Jeb.
But I am 100% opposed to Jeb.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 22, 2015 06:46 PM (4ErVI)
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Crep, I clicked the link, then realized I disconnected my speakers. So now I've got a Smiths song (schlong) playing, and I can't hear it.
I basically start with the assumption that the R Party is not going to let Trump be nominated, then base my view of everything happening now on how well or poorly it serves that purpose.
I don't know how Trump with be defeated, some combination of his own errors and the ambush they'll spring on him.
I assume it's going to be very ugly, regardless of how.
I basically start with the assumption that the R Party is not going to let Trump be nominated, then base my view of everything happening now on how well or poorly it serves that purpose.
I don't know how Trump with be defeated, some combination of his own errors and the ambush they'll spring on him.
I assume it's going to be very ugly, regardless of how.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 06:46 PM (TOk1P)
96
Once again why is the Democrat Party not saying Bernie is the most electable based on this poll?
Posted by: William Eaton at December 22, 2015 06:46 PM (q52Ma)
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Win or lose there is value in teaching the GOPe that they can no longer go against the views of their nominal base for years and years and not pay a price.
As I pointed out in 2012, if you nominate Mitt Romneycare, and then conservatives mostly vote for him in the general, the GOPe will take that to mean they can do any damn thing they want, and history has born that out.
Since it was obvious Romney couldn't win in 2012 that was the perfect election to send a lesson to the GOPe...but the next best time is...now.
As I pointed out in 2012, if you nominate Mitt Romneycare, and then conservatives mostly vote for him in the general, the GOPe will take that to mean they can do any damn thing they want, and history has born that out.
Since it was obvious Romney couldn't win in 2012 that was the perfect election to send a lesson to the GOPe...but the next best time is...now.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2015 06:46 PM (5LOno)
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25% and no more... um I know you didn't think there would be math in this post but come on. He's already pulling from the dem support.
I want Cruz anyway.
I want Cruz anyway.
Posted by: brainpimp at December 22, 2015 06:46 PM (zosQc)
99
Just alienating them, while nice, is not actually beating them. That's
just us saying "We hate you." Not the same as us saying "We beat you,
and you're now all done, forever."
You know, this one time, I might be willing to accept an incremental victory.
just us saying "We hate you." Not the same as us saying "We beat you,
and you're now all done, forever."
You know, this one time, I might be willing to accept an incremental victory.
Posted by: Methos at December 22, 2015 06:46 PM (ZbV+0)
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"HOWEVER, I would like to have my cake and eat it too, and win.
I would like that very much. "
Well, that's why I'm on Team Cruz. Team Cruz while laughing at Trump's antics all the way.
I would like that very much. "
Well, that's why I'm on Team Cruz. Team Cruz while laughing at Trump's antics all the way.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 06:47 PM (Kqit+)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 22, 2015 06:47 PM (8ZskC)
102
So basically, Trump is pulling off what the old-school Marxists tried to do: pitting the proletariat against the bourgeoisie?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:47 PM (5p18q)
103
The electoral dilemma- convincing 51% of the voters that they are part of "we".
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 22, 2015 06:47 PM (NeFrd)
104
Many Republicans who viscerally oppose him, like a Gabe or a Jeff B., will in fact rally to his side.
Oh, and how I shall laugh.
Oh, and how I shall laugh.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2015 06:47 PM (9YDUz)
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This is why, if Trump gets the nom, I plan on being a major twat about how, according to the rules I have been told for the last 20+ years, all of those horrified by Trump must now STFD and STFU and go out there and support him.
Same here. I donated money and voted for McCain and Romney because I was told, "He won the primaries, so we H-A-V-E to support him or E-L-S-E the Dims win." So, if Trump is the nominee and the GOP pulls the crap I think they will, I am D-O-N-E.
Same here. I donated money and voted for McCain and Romney because I was told, "He won the primaries, so we H-A-V-E to support him or E-L-S-E the Dims win." So, if Trump is the nominee and the GOP pulls the crap I think they will, I am D-O-N-E.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 22, 2015 06:47 PM (kXoT0)
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50% Trump I could believe, 30 some % Hildabeast embarrassment I don't so that to me makes the 50% unbelievable
Posted by: Skip at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (k0xxN)
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"Just alienating them, while nice, is not actually beating them. That's just us saying "We hate you." Not the same as us saying "We beat you, and you're now all done, forever."
Well, there's that and there's also denying them what they want.
They want: Jeb
They'll accept: Rubio
They'll get: Trump
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 06:43 PM (Kqit+)
That's what I think ace is missing. Trump can't really win over the "respectable" people because what they want is what his base hates. Trump was always more about bringing the GOPe to the bargaining table. Instead they walked away and are finding out we're serious. Notice they don't fight the Democrats this hard.
Well, there's that and there's also denying them what they want.
They want: Jeb
They'll accept: Rubio
They'll get: Trump
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 06:43 PM (Kqit+)
That's what I think ace is missing. Trump can't really win over the "respectable" people because what they want is what his base hates. Trump was always more about bringing the GOPe to the bargaining table. Instead they walked away and are finding out we're serious. Notice they don't fight the Democrats this hard.
Posted by: WOPR at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (LTDSy)
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Willowed on the last thread.
That'll teach me to take my time to reply...
Nevergiveup - if you're around, I attempted to answer you dowstairs.
That'll teach me to take my time to reply...
Nevergiveup - if you're around, I attempted to answer you dowstairs.
Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (mUsVF)
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Gotta wonder how much 'low energy' Bush paid for this poll. It reeks of establishment desperation.
Appeal to class, then divide and conquer.
One thing I've learned from polling, ask a leading question, you're bound to get the results you want.
See also; dihydro-monoxide
Appeal to class, then divide and conquer.
One thing I've learned from polling, ask a leading question, you're bound to get the results you want.
See also; dihydro-monoxide
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (7v/r5)
Posted by: Methos at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (ZbV+0)
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they did ask about hillary -- she would embarrass 33% of the population
Sometimes you get the president you deserve.
If only 33% would be embarrised by Hillery (vs 50% Trump),
we (collectively) deserve and are asking to be totally ass-schlonged by the world.
Sometimes you get the president you deserve.
If only 33% would be embarrised by Hillery (vs 50% Trump),
we (collectively) deserve and are asking to be totally ass-schlonged by the world.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (T78UI)
112
The Wall Street-Harvard Axis of Evil in the Republican Party is a paper tiger. It's 1980 all over again, and one need not fear whatever empty vessel they pour their John Anderson dreams into this time around.
Crush them, and make them beg on bended knee for an ambassadorship for their inbred idiot spawn.
The Wall Street-Harvard Axis of Evil in the Republican Party is a paper tiger. It's 1980 all over again, and one need not fear whatever empty vessel they pour their John Anderson dreams into this time around.
Crush them, and make them beg on bended knee for an ambassadorship for their inbred idiot spawn.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (kdS6q)
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Lets face it, obama's blackness flattered a lot of people, like they had to prove they weren't racist or something.
Lets face it, obama's blackness flattered a lot of people, like they had to prove they weren't racist or something.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (ODxAs)
114
If you can see us, this stall is occupied.
Posted by: Hillary!s feet at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (HgMAr)
115
Trump is not the enemy, leftards are. The Party of Stoopid has yet to discover this simple fact.
***
Trump, Cruz and the like ARE the enemy for the GOPe. They don't want to scale back Obama's Leviathan...they want to run it.
***
Trump, Cruz and the like ARE the enemy for the GOPe. They don't want to scale back Obama's Leviathan...they want to run it.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (5LOno)
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People's self-regard is very important to them
=====
allow me to reply as they have to me: GTF over it and Vote How We Tell You.
yes its snark. don't care anymore.
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allow me to reply as they have to me: GTF over it and Vote How We Tell You.
yes its snark. don't care anymore.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 22, 2015 06:49 PM (F+xWX)
117
Both parties have problems.
Hillary is vulnerable to having her negatives driven up so that that she loses on turnout.
Trump has high negatives but still has the inside track to the Republican nomination.
Cruz is probably the only alternative to Trump but won't appeal to non-college educated voters. He may do worse than Trump with women when his Evangelical-friendly views on abortion become widely known.
Hillary is vulnerable to having her negatives driven up so that that she loses on turnout.
Trump has high negatives but still has the inside track to the Republican nomination.
Cruz is probably the only alternative to Trump but won't appeal to non-college educated voters. He may do worse than Trump with women when his Evangelical-friendly views on abortion become widely known.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 22, 2015 06:49 PM (r1fLd)
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"He never said that "bitter clinger" remark publicly. (He didn't intend it to get out.) "
No, but he said a lot of stupid shit publicly. "Energy rates will necessarily skyrocket when I shut down all those damn, filthy coal plants (ok, so that last part isn't verbatom)" Was pretty damn disparaging to the middle class white WV/CO vote.
No, but he said a lot of stupid shit publicly. "Energy rates will necessarily skyrocket when I shut down all those damn, filthy coal plants (ok, so that last part isn't verbatom)" Was pretty damn disparaging to the middle class white WV/CO vote.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 06:49 PM (Kqit+)
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But would they be embarrassed by Hillary! destroying a public restroom?
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 06:42 PM (HgMAr)
*****
That bathroom must have looked like Stallone's after they hosed him off from that pigshit dunking scene in Rambo.
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 06:42 PM (HgMAr)
*****
That bathroom must have looked like Stallone's after they hosed him off from that pigshit dunking scene in Rambo.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 22, 2015 06:49 PM (P+m4e)
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because he already won.
He never said that "bitter clinger" remark publicly. (He didn't intend it to get out.)
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:45 PM (dciA+)
Has it even "gotten out?" I mean, we know many of the dumb things Obama says, because we're looking for them. Do people who only get what is fed to them hear this stuff?
I'm guessing not. So we're sorta running in parallel universes here. One that knows the Scoamf's Scoamfy ways, and others who still think he's the cat's pajamas because no one has told them otherwise.
He never said that "bitter clinger" remark publicly. (He didn't intend it to get out.)
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:45 PM (dciA+)
Has it even "gotten out?" I mean, we know many of the dumb things Obama says, because we're looking for them. Do people who only get what is fed to them hear this stuff?
I'm guessing not. So we're sorta running in parallel universes here. One that knows the Scoamf's Scoamfy ways, and others who still think he's the cat's pajamas because no one has told them otherwise.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 06:49 PM (TOk1P)
121
Well, we will find out soon enough who the nominee
will be. If it is Trump, he might be smart enough or surround himself
with some smart advisors to help him tweak his tactics for the general
election. For all his buffoonish ways, he is not stupid. You don't get
to be that successful being a dumb ass making dumb ass decisions.
Posted by: IC
..............
Nope.. we won't find out soon enough..
This will go to the convention with no clear winner.
Go take a look at how GOP delegates are assigned.. it's a mess.. Only half of the states are winner take all.. actually, only 10 are true winner take all.. and Cruz and Rubio and who knows else are gonna win some of those states.. the rest is proportionally assigned. It is a fucking mess.
will be. If it is Trump, he might be smart enough or surround himself
with some smart advisors to help him tweak his tactics for the general
election. For all his buffoonish ways, he is not stupid. You don't get
to be that successful being a dumb ass making dumb ass decisions.
Posted by: IC
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Nope.. we won't find out soon enough..
This will go to the convention with no clear winner.
Go take a look at how GOP delegates are assigned.. it's a mess.. Only half of the states are winner take all.. actually, only 10 are true winner take all.. and Cruz and Rubio and who knows else are gonna win some of those states.. the rest is proportionally assigned. It is a fucking mess.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 22, 2015 06:49 PM (634Iz)
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101
On Drudge now:
Clinton announces plan to battle Alzheimer's...
Heh.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 22, 2015 06:47 PM (8ZskC)
1) Alzheimer's2) Drink heavily3) Too drunk to realize you have Alzheimer's
On Drudge now:
Clinton announces plan to battle Alzheimer's...
Heh.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 22, 2015 06:47 PM (8ZskC)
1) Alzheimer's2) Drink heavily3) Too drunk to realize you have Alzheimer's
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 22, 2015 06:50 PM (4ErVI)
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For the first time I heard Hillary commercial on the radio.
It was right after Christie commercial.
It was right after Christie commercial.
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 06:50 PM (sj3Ax)
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Notice they don't fight the Democrats this hard.
I remember when Mitt Romneycare *savaged* Newt and Santorum and then rolled over and showed his belly to Obama. It was rather instructive.
I remember when Mitt Romneycare *savaged* Newt and Santorum and then rolled over and showed his belly to Obama. It was rather instructive.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2015 06:50 PM (5LOno)
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Meanwhile, Cruz is knocking on Trump's door per that poll -- 28% to 24%, nationally.
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What does that mean? I look at the poll and dont see an embarrassed Trump poll.
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What does that mean? I look at the poll and dont see an embarrassed Trump poll.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 22, 2015 06:51 PM (JyWUM)
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"If he keeps playing it that way, appealing only to the people who think
that kind of idea is constitutional and appealing, he'll wind up with
only those people.
Not to mention him saying Vladimir Putin was a great leader, just because he flattered Trump!"
Check out Scott Adams on the guerrilla marketing aspects of Trump's strategy - a sample http://tinyurl.com/jra7222
FWIW, Adams' take on human thinking seems similar IMO to a lot of the bias/filter/class concerns you often discuss, as with this post.
There are also other reasons to say Putin's a great leader than simple flattery (eg "great" need not equal "virtuous"). I understand you're not sympathetic to Trump but I'm skeptical that he boils down to that level of cartoon-buffoon simple.
that kind of idea is constitutional and appealing, he'll wind up with
only those people.
Not to mention him saying Vladimir Putin was a great leader, just because he flattered Trump!"
Check out Scott Adams on the guerrilla marketing aspects of Trump's strategy - a sample http://tinyurl.com/jra7222
FWIW, Adams' take on human thinking seems similar IMO to a lot of the bias/filter/class concerns you often discuss, as with this post.
There are also other reasons to say Putin's a great leader than simple flattery (eg "great" need not equal "virtuous"). I understand you're not sympathetic to Trump but I'm skeptical that he boils down to that level of cartoon-buffoon simple.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 22, 2015 06:51 PM (RtG9B)
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Ace.... you missed out the part about Trump being KNOWN to an entire generation as a " you're fired" , competent NY mogul and arbiter of success and making money. He's got name recognition. Perceptions on or of Trump have been implanted in a LARGE number of peoples minds long ago.... so the Palin reference is weaker because very few knew her or of her.
I get your point and it's valid with me except mine above. 30% of the GOPe will actively torpedo Trump. Them and the media and the Donks. I don't think he should change squat. Pandering to weak-sauce voters is so 2008. Times have changed... the burning times. It's pivot time. Whatever happens in 2016... America is a changing because we've reached the point where either shit is going to get undone... or the country is going to go nuts..... ie, the elite lose control.
I get your point and it's valid with me except mine above. 30% of the GOPe will actively torpedo Trump. Them and the media and the Donks. I don't think he should change squat. Pandering to weak-sauce voters is so 2008. Times have changed... the burning times. It's pivot time. Whatever happens in 2016... America is a changing because we've reached the point where either shit is going to get undone... or the country is going to go nuts..... ie, the elite lose control.
Posted by: Yip at December 22, 2015 06:52 PM (e7T6D)
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Has it even "gotten out?" I mean, we know many of the dumb things Obama says, because we're looking for them. Do people who only get what is fed to them hear this stuff?
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Someone polled voters in 2012 and asked them to name who said various stupid Obama/Biden quotes (57 states, etc). They mostly answered Palin which just goes to show how ignorant the 52% are...
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Someone polled voters in 2012 and asked them to name who said various stupid Obama/Biden quotes (57 states, etc). They mostly answered Palin which just goes to show how ignorant the 52% are...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2015 06:52 PM (5LOno)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 22, 2015 06:52 PM (7eblJ)
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AlwaysBackingClinton mentioned this as well that's how I knew Hildabeast beat Trump
Posted by: Skip at December 22, 2015 06:52 PM (k0xxN)
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Just alienating them, while nice, is not actually beating them. That's just us saying "We hate you." Not the same as us saying "We beat you, and you're now all done, forever."
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:39 PM (dciA+)
Bill Kristol said that he and others would have to form a new party if Trump wins.
I thought, "Finally, someone gets it." The GOP started by saying the Tea Party/Insurgency need to be crushed and now they are willing to give away the party and start over.
That's quite a victory right there. Except that, similar to the "I'll leave the country threats" it will never happen.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 06:39 PM (dciA+)
Bill Kristol said that he and others would have to form a new party if Trump wins.
I thought, "Finally, someone gets it." The GOP started by saying the Tea Party/Insurgency need to be crushed and now they are willing to give away the party and start over.
That's quite a victory right there. Except that, similar to the "I'll leave the country threats" it will never happen.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 22, 2015 06:52 PM (3myMJ)
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Oh, and how I shall laugh.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2015 06:47 PM (9YDUz)
It would be worth a chuckle, but I'm not buying it. There are some stalwart Republicans who value their Party's... eh, "values" to greatly to sully themselves with a vote for Trump.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2015 06:47 PM (9YDUz)
It would be worth a chuckle, but I'm not buying it. There are some stalwart Republicans who value their Party's... eh, "values" to greatly to sully themselves with a vote for Trump.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 06:53 PM (TOk1P)
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18-1,
Romney was a bastard to other republicans but a pussy to TFG.
The man that signed Romneycare into law should never have been GOP nominee.
Romney was a bastard to other republicans but a pussy to TFG.
The man that signed Romneycare into law should never have been GOP nominee.
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 06:53 PM (sj3Ax)
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and this particular cadre makes up 90% of those who man the right's communications and theorizing positions
And are wrong, lose elections and have pissed all over and off everyone else.
And are wrong, lose elections and have pissed all over and off everyone else.
Posted by: DaveA at December 22, 2015 06:53 PM (DL2i+)
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Trump, Cruz and the like ARE the enemy for the GOPe. They don't want to scale back Obama's Leviathan...they want to run it.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (5LOno)
Well this goes to what I pointed out a couple days ago.
The Republican base for the most part actually wants big government, as long as it benefits them. They favor cutting spending for "foreign aid" and "welfare for the poor", but all of the middle-class welfare, they are in favor of keeping. So Republican politicians are actually being rational when they vote for keeping the gravy train going.
I don't think even Trump wants to scale back Leviathan. He just wants to redirect it to "make America great again", whatever that would be.
WE, the ones who want to scale back Leviathan, are the minority.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2015 06:48 PM (5LOno)
Well this goes to what I pointed out a couple days ago.
The Republican base for the most part actually wants big government, as long as it benefits them. They favor cutting spending for "foreign aid" and "welfare for the poor", but all of the middle-class welfare, they are in favor of keeping. So Republican politicians are actually being rational when they vote for keeping the gravy train going.
I don't think even Trump wants to scale back Leviathan. He just wants to redirect it to "make America great again", whatever that would be.
WE, the ones who want to scale back Leviathan, are the minority.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:53 PM (5p18q)
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Great song, by the way. Lots of memories from back then.
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2015 06:53 PM (mxCgt)
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129
I'm still intrigued by the shlong....
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 22, 2015 06:52 PM (7eblJ)
Well when you haven't seen one in person for 30+ years...
I'm still intrigued by the shlong....
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 22, 2015 06:52 PM (7eblJ)
Well when you haven't seen one in person for 30+ years...
Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2015 06:54 PM (z/Ubi)
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>>In fairness my lunch was Chipolte and bourbon. Well...mostly bourbon.
The bourbon gets me loose and the Chipolte adds the spray gun effect.
The bourbon gets me loose and the Chipolte adds the spray gun effect.
Posted by: Hillary at December 22, 2015 06:54 PM (c7vUv)
139
133
18-1,
Romney was a bastard to other republicans but a pussy to TFG.
The man that signed Romneycare into law should never have been GOP nominee.
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 06:53 PM (sj3Ax)
I don't think Romney was anyone's first choice. But he is a decent guy and, let's be honest, the 2012 slate of candidates was a bit of a trainwreck overall.
18-1,
Romney was a bastard to other republicans but a pussy to TFG.
The man that signed Romneycare into law should never have been GOP nominee.
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 06:53 PM (sj3Ax)
I don't think Romney was anyone's first choice. But he is a decent guy and, let's be honest, the 2012 slate of candidates was a bit of a trainwreck overall.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:54 PM (5p18q)
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Notice they don't fight the Democrats this hard.
I remember when Mitt Romneycare *savaged* Newt and Santorum and then
rolled over and showed his belly to Obama. It was rather instructive.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2015 06:50 PM (5LOno)
Whatever are you talking about?
I remember when Mitt Romneycare *savaged* Newt and Santorum and then
rolled over and showed his belly to Obama. It was rather instructive.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 22, 2015 06:50 PM (5LOno)
Whatever are you talking about?
Posted by: Candidate P Ryan at December 22, 2015 06:54 PM (ftVQq)
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Hillary- Historical First Aricept™ President
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 22, 2015 06:54 PM (NeFrd)
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Why don`t we just vote for Jeb...? Fall in line you idiots and discard the 25% of misfit untidy republicans who refuse to submit to proper logic and analytical analysis as provided by certain individuals!
Posted by: Tyler Mason at December 22, 2015 06:55 PM (kOiXL)
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Megyn Kelly went to Albany law school. It's always the incompetent hacks hanging to the lowest rung of the ladder who are the most vociferous in extolling the virtues of the class that they want to belong to, but don't really belong to. Friggin' Albany. Crikey. She would have been laughed out of my firm. And may have been, which is how she ended up in a job that any incompetent rube can manage - "journalism."
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 06:55 PM (4ueYo)
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Eh, I don't know I'd be embarrassed so much...I've lived through Governor Schwarzenegger after all...
But if you aren't embarrassed by the simpering, whimpering fool currently in the White House (also known as "Putin's Bitch," I don't really care if Trump makes you feel funny in certain parts.
But if you aren't embarrassed by the simpering, whimpering fool currently in the White House (also known as "Putin's Bitch," I don't really care if Trump makes you feel funny in certain parts.
Posted by: dwinnorcal at December 22, 2015 06:55 PM (3OTR8)
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And Nip, no, it's time for Kasich and Rubio to get
lost. Unelectable, slimy mediocrities, Central Casting shallow lying
politicos. They would not draw 1 voter to the polls who isn't already
going.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 22, 2015 06:35 PM (QDnY+)
Won't argue Kasich.
Rubio is a little weaselly. He can win.
lost. Unelectable, slimy mediocrities, Central Casting shallow lying
politicos. They would not draw 1 voter to the polls who isn't already
going.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 22, 2015 06:35 PM (QDnY+)
Won't argue Kasich.
Rubio is a little weaselly. He can win.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 06:55 PM (jJRIy)
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Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 22, 2015 06:51 PM (JyWUM)
Hey how's it going! Haven't seen you around in a while.
Hey how's it going! Haven't seen you around in a while.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:56 PM (5p18q)
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http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-ladies-gaga-for-trump-at-michigan-rally/
Oh no! It's more the the mystery 26% showing up from no where.
Oh no! It's more the the mystery 26% showing up from no where.
Posted by: brainpimp at December 22, 2015 06:56 PM (zosQc)
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Put me in the Megan is average intelligence wise, never forget that she has an earbud with very smart producers feeding her information. What I do give her credit for is being able to go for the jugular without batting an eye or smudging her lipstick.
She lost me FOREVER when as a debate moderator she kicked Trump in the nuts figuratively and then went all poor poor pitiful me when he hit back. Cheap shots piss me off, especially when the person dishing them out can't deal with the blowback. She wanted to be the pretty pretty blonde who knocked Trump out of the campaign.
She lost me FOREVER when as a debate moderator she kicked Trump in the nuts figuratively and then went all poor poor pitiful me when he hit back. Cheap shots piss me off, especially when the person dishing them out can't deal with the blowback. She wanted to be the pretty pretty blonde who knocked Trump out of the campaign.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 22, 2015 06:56 PM (kXoT0)
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117 - Cruz is probably the only alternative to Trump but won't appeal to non-college educated voters.
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Because only college educated folk are smart enough to support Cruz?
You picked an apt nickname...
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Because only college educated folk are smart enough to support Cruz?
You picked an apt nickname...
Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 22, 2015 06:56 PM (mUsVF)
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Chemjeff,
I liked Perry but he ran too soon after his back surgery. He should've waited another month or two.
I liked Perry but he ran too soon after his back surgery. He should've waited another month or two.
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 06:57 PM (sj3Ax)
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I hate to say it, Ace, but I think your post shows just how much the MSM and establishment have burrowed into our subconscious. EVERY GOP candidate is going to be smeared for being a freak show outsider, whether dogs on the roof, binders of women and the 47% or something else. So,I don't see the real problem here.
Especially because I think a lot of it is deliberate shtick. He talks about Mexicans and rapists,and the media can't help to respond. Ditto an ambiguous initial statement on banning Muslims. And unlike recent GOP candidates not only will he be able to use the media for a change, but he will RELENTLESSLY attack Hillary.
He may only appeal to a small slice of the GOP, but he attracts a strange breed of independent, too. Ultimately, he's looking at an establishment strategy, but he's not an establishment tool: expanding the base to moderates normally outside the party and counting on the rest of the party to fall in line because "Hillary would be worse".
Especially because I think a lot of it is deliberate shtick. He talks about Mexicans and rapists,and the media can't help to respond. Ditto an ambiguous initial statement on banning Muslims. And unlike recent GOP candidates not only will he be able to use the media for a change, but he will RELENTLESSLY attack Hillary.
He may only appeal to a small slice of the GOP, but he attracts a strange breed of independent, too. Ultimately, he's looking at an establishment strategy, but he's not an establishment tool: expanding the base to moderates normally outside the party and counting on the rest of the party to fall in line because "Hillary would be worse".
Posted by: Grimaldi at December 22, 2015 06:57 PM (7N+LJ)
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Rubio is a little weaselly. He can win.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 06:55 PM (jJRIy)
Oh Rubio is more than a *little* weaselly. He is a complete fraud.
In a sense he is even more dangerous than Trump. At least with Trump you are under no illusions that he is a conservative. Rubio claims to be a conservative when he is just oozing slimy weasel goo all over the place.
Neither one is trustworthy IMO.
Rubio is a little weaselly. He can win.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 06:55 PM (jJRIy)
Oh Rubio is more than a *little* weaselly. He is a complete fraud.
In a sense he is even more dangerous than Trump. At least with Trump you are under no illusions that he is a conservative. Rubio claims to be a conservative when he is just oozing slimy weasel goo all over the place.
Neither one is trustworthy IMO.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:57 PM (5p18q)
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Yeah, we're all embarrassed by other members of the Big Tent. McCain embarrassed me, as did Mitt.
What's amazing to me is that the GOP political class doesn't seem able to put this stuff aside even AFTER the election is won. They actively torpedoes Palin WHILE SHE WAS THEIR NOMINEE. And I'm seeing that same smug contempt directed at Governor Bevin by the GOP political class in Kentucky.
I thought Tea Partiers were the emotional ones. Turns out it's the professional GOPers.
What's amazing to me is that the GOP political class doesn't seem able to put this stuff aside even AFTER the election is won. They actively torpedoes Palin WHILE SHE WAS THEIR NOMINEE. And I'm seeing that same smug contempt directed at Governor Bevin by the GOP political class in Kentucky.
I thought Tea Partiers were the emotional ones. Turns out it's the professional GOPers.
Posted by: Y-not at December 22, 2015 06:57 PM (t5zYU)
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Well this goes to what I pointed out a couple days ago.
[blah blah blah]*
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:53 PM (5p18q)
Yes, you do tend to repeat yourself.
*I edited for brevity, but really, you're going to say it again and again and again anyway, so I'm not thinking anything was lost by what I cut.
[blah blah blah]*
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:53 PM (5p18q)
Yes, you do tend to repeat yourself.
*I edited for brevity, but really, you're going to say it again and again and again anyway, so I'm not thinking anything was lost by what I cut.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 06:57 PM (TOk1P)
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The Donald could wrap this whole thing up if he showed up in Iowa in a pair of dungarees with a Carhartt canvas jacket.
Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2015 06:44 PM (BngQR)
______________________________
Damn it!!!!!!! STFU.........! That's my plan..... Damn it...
*hic*
The Donald could wrap this whole thing up if he showed up in Iowa in a pair of dungarees with a Carhartt canvas jacket.
Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2015 06:44 PM (BngQR)
______________________________
Damn it!!!!!!! STFU.........! That's my plan..... Damn it...
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 22, 2015 06:57 PM (7eblJ)
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Cruz is probably the only alternative to Trump but won't appeal to non-college educated voters.
Why wouldn't he?
Why wouldn't he?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:58 PM (5p18q)
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Not an earthquake, people! Just good acoustics.
Posted by: Hillary! at December 22, 2015 06:58 PM (mxCgt)
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I'm a thinker, too. I can relate to philtosophtical Ace.
Posted by: otho at December 22, 2015 06:58 PM (EWg9n)
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I think Trump does have to show that he can clean up and be somewhat presentable at formal occasions, but when he is out campaigning and bloviating on the stump there is always going to be a schlong lurking and waiting. It is who he is.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 22, 2015 06:58 PM (tEDMc)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:58 PM (5p18q)
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hate to say it, Ace, but I think your post shows just how much the MSM and establishment have burrowed into our subconscious. EVERY GOP candidate is going to be smeared for being a freak show outsider, whether dogs on the roof, binders of women and the 47% or something else. So,I don't see the real problem here.
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you missed the point.
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you missed the point.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 22, 2015 06:59 PM (F+xWX)
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Useless poll. Between now and next November, will or will not some Muslim immigrant/refugee/illegal - do something horrible; simple binary bet - Red or Black.
In this case Trump is betting on Red. Unfortunately, I think he is right.
In this case Trump is betting on Red. Unfortunately, I think he is right.
Posted by: Jean at December 22, 2015 06:59 PM (fBkaR)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 22, 2015 06:59 PM (kXoT0)
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Trump, Cruz and the like ARE the enemy for the GOPe. They don't want to scale back Obama's Leviathan...they want to run it.
Yeah, they're not exactly on our side anymore.
If we have a definable "side," that is. It's pretty clear they've abandoned what was once their base. For a bunch of principal-less squishes, they seem awfully determined to continue TFP's policies, illegal though many of them may be.
#WASTF
Yeah, they're not exactly on our side anymore.
If we have a definable "side," that is. It's pretty clear they've abandoned what was once their base. For a bunch of principal-less squishes, they seem awfully determined to continue TFP's policies, illegal though many of them may be.
#WASTF
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 22, 2015 06:59 PM (LUgeY)
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One more - one of the better Scott Adams takes on Trump's appeal - the "Lucky Hitler" hypothesis/fallacy http://tinyurl.com/gr6ehg5
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (RtG9B)
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Lemme see: Shrillery is "bullied" by Teh Donald. Heb! thinks he's a bully, too. So do Lester Dolt and Chuck Turd. And so does Poppin' Fresh, as well as the rest of the Witches of Salem.
A whole bunch of people -- are we talking about "half" of 400 here? -- are "embarrassed by the Rude, Crude, Bullying Boor, according to one poll. Same poll shows Cruzer edging up.
Sorry, I'll wait until actual votes are counted. I think Trump has what it takes to win. Particularly when I look at who has their panties all in a soppy wad over him.
A whole bunch of people -- are we talking about "half" of 400 here? -- are "embarrassed by the Rude, Crude, Bullying Boor, according to one poll. Same poll shows Cruzer edging up.
Sorry, I'll wait until actual votes are counted. I think Trump has what it takes to win. Particularly when I look at who has their panties all in a soppy wad over him.
Posted by: Mr Scribbler at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (z/vax)
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She lost me FOREVER when as a debate moderator she
kicked Trump in the nuts figuratively and then went all poor poor
pitiful me when he hit back. Cheap shots piss me off, especially when
the person dishing them out can't deal with the blowback. She wanted to
be the pretty pretty blonde who knocked Trump out of the campaign.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 22, 2015 06:56 PM (kXoT0)
Yeah same here. It didn't even have to be Trump. There were many other passive-aggressive shots taken at various candidates in that debate. It was, remember, the first of the season to use the, "Rubio says you hump your mother and suck cocks while doing so. How do you respond, Chris Christie?" I've been in a sour mood about these "debates" for many cycles now and I'm sick to death of seeing these media clowns preen and prance for attention.
kicked Trump in the nuts figuratively and then went all poor poor
pitiful me when he hit back. Cheap shots piss me off, especially when
the person dishing them out can't deal with the blowback. She wanted to
be the pretty pretty blonde who knocked Trump out of the campaign.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 22, 2015 06:56 PM (kXoT0)
Yeah same here. It didn't even have to be Trump. There were many other passive-aggressive shots taken at various candidates in that debate. It was, remember, the first of the season to use the, "Rubio says you hump your mother and suck cocks while doing so. How do you respond, Chris Christie?" I've been in a sour mood about these "debates" for many cycles now and I'm sick to death of seeing these media clowns preen and prance for attention.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (4ErVI)
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I miss Mark Levin, he's on vacation.
In that poll Cruz & Hillary are tied.
I read that next debate is only going to have 6 candidates. Kasich & Paul probably out. Carly s/b out too.
In that poll Cruz & Hillary are tied.
I read that next debate is only going to have 6 candidates. Kasich & Paul probably out. Carly s/b out too.
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (sj3Ax)
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I'd much rather have Cavuto as a debate monitor again vs the 3 stooges from the first debate. He was much a much better moderator on Fox Business than them. Its clear what Fox wants to do. They want the ratings again and are hoping once again destroy Trump. And it was to the detriment of the last debate. Because Kelly, Baier, and Wallace saw themselves as the stars of the debate and that the focus needed to be on them and the questions they were asking.
Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (z/Ubi)
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143
Megyn Kelly went to Albany law school. It's always the incompetent
hacks hanging to the lowest rung of the ladder who are the most
vociferous in extolling the virtues of the class that they want to
belong to, but don't really belong to. Friggin' Albany. Crikey. She
would have been laughed out of my firm. And may have been, which is how
she ended up in a job that any incompetent rube can manage -
"journalism."
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 06:55 PM (4ueYo)
Nice! I would still do her. You wouldn't????
Megyn Kelly went to Albany law school. It's always the incompetent
hacks hanging to the lowest rung of the ladder who are the most
vociferous in extolling the virtues of the class that they want to
belong to, but don't really belong to. Friggin' Albany. Crikey. She
would have been laughed out of my firm. And may have been, which is how
she ended up in a job that any incompetent rube can manage -
"journalism."
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 06:55 PM (4ueYo)
Nice! I would still do her. You wouldn't????
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (jJRIy)
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>>I think Trump does have to show that he can clean up and be somewhat presentable at formal occasions,
Clearly, you haven't met Sophisticated Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUGT30gGtiI
Clearly, you haven't met Sophisticated Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUGT30gGtiI
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (/tuJf)
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Not an earthquake, people! Just good acoustics.
Posted by: Hillary!
*****
How are those tuba lessons coming along, Hill?
Posted by: Hillary!
*****
How are those tuba lessons coming along, Hill?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 22, 2015 07:01 PM (NeFrd)
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Oh my, did I get under your skin?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:58 PM (5p18q)
You wish.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:58 PM (5p18q)
You wish.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:01 PM (TOk1P)
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What are they offering the working class?
Better stock returns for whatever thin slice doesn't wind up on the dole.
Better stock returns for whatever thin slice doesn't wind up on the dole.
Posted by: DaveA at December 22, 2015 07:01 PM (DL2i+)
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I heard from a reliable source that Hillary!s campaign van was outfitted with a specially designed NASA toilet.
I heard from a reliable source that Hillary!s campaign van was outfitted with a specially designed NASA toilet.
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 07:02 PM (HgMAr)
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I read that next debate is only going to have 6 candidates. Kasich Paul probably out. Carly s/b out too.
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (sj3Ax)
Well that is too bad about Paul, I don't think he will win but I generally like his contributions to the discussions.
Glad to see Kasich is gone. Maybe he can go back to delivering mail or something.
I want to like Carly but, gah that voice! It is just grating to me.
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (sj3Ax)
Well that is too bad about Paul, I don't think he will win but I generally like his contributions to the discussions.
Glad to see Kasich is gone. Maybe he can go back to delivering mail or something.
I want to like Carly but, gah that voice! It is just grating to me.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:02 PM (5p18q)
Posted by: gdonovan at December 22, 2015 07:02 PM (Ipxoj)
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And how many are honestly embarrassed by our President "Mean Girls" as President? Bet it would be way more than 50% of actual, LEGAL and non-deceased voters ...
Posted by: acethepug at December 22, 2015 07:03 PM (RHPFv)
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Posted by: Y-not at December 22, 2015 06:57 PM (t5zYU)
Ken Cucinnelli in VA
Thad Cochran in MS
Just not our class dear!
Ken Cucinnelli in VA
Thad Cochran in MS
Just not our class dear!
Posted by: GOP/RNC Spokesperson at December 22, 2015 07:03 PM (ftVQq)
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I heard from a reliable source that Hillary!s campaign van was outfitted with a specially designed NASA toilet.
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 07:02 PM (HgMAr)
...yeah, about that....
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 07:02 PM (HgMAr)
...yeah, about that....
Posted by: Howard Wallowitz at December 22, 2015 07:03 PM (RwwCT)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 07:03 PM (jJRIy)
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>>>So yes, Trump will automatically win the Republican diehards who will vote for any candidate to stop another four years of Democrat misrule.
And that will put him at, say, 31-33%.
And then what?>>>
A third party candidate or two, like Huntsman, Bush, and/or The Bern, and 33% may be enough. Especially if he can drive turn out of that 33% to well nigh 100%. Just sayin'.
And that will put him at, say, 31-33%.
And then what?>>>
A third party candidate or two, like Huntsman, Bush, and/or The Bern, and 33% may be enough. Especially if he can drive turn out of that 33% to well nigh 100%. Just sayin'.
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:03 PM (4ueYo)
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C'mon, guys. Be nicer to the Left. Deep down, they're American too, mmkay?
@BecketAdams 9m
Washington Post cartoonist depicts Cruz as organ grinder, his daughters as monkeys.
@BecketAdams 9m
Washington Post cartoonist depicts Cruz as organ grinder, his daughters as monkeys.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2015 07:04 PM (9YDUz)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 22, 2015 07:04 PM (LUgeY)
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So in other words, image is everything, and you must, must pander to people, grovel before them even, if you want their votes. Telling the truth is straight out.
I'm not a Trump person--I'm neither for or against--but the idea that we have to treat every little snowflake as a precious snowflake seems to be part of the Left's arsenal, and admittedly they get votes that way.
The idea of having ideas and principles, and standing behind them is long gone, I guess. (I know that sounds silly in the context of Trump, but whatever.) Mustn't alienate a single voter by pointing out the truth.
I'm not a Trump person--I'm neither for or against--but the idea that we have to treat every little snowflake as a precious snowflake seems to be part of the Left's arsenal, and admittedly they get votes that way.
The idea of having ideas and principles, and standing behind them is long gone, I guess. (I know that sounds silly in the context of Trump, but whatever.) Mustn't alienate a single voter by pointing out the truth.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 22, 2015 07:04 PM (B8JRQ)
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Heard someone on The Five - I think it was Gutfeld - say that Trump is "impulsive". There's no governor on that mouth, he blurts out the first thing that comes into his head and nobody's brave enough to tell him to shut the hell up and think first.
Would this be embarrassing to me? Yup.
Do I find any or all of the various stunts, scams, and conspiracies that our current Dear Leader has engaged in "embarrassing"? Yup.
Do I actually think any of that matters to, well, anyone running for office anywhere in the nation?
Oh. Hell. No.
Would this be embarrassing to me? Yup.
Do I find any or all of the various stunts, scams, and conspiracies that our current Dear Leader has engaged in "embarrassing"? Yup.
Do I actually think any of that matters to, well, anyone running for office anywhere in the nation?
Oh. Hell. No.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:04 PM (cDs+4)
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I was wrong about Trump, here's the scoop.
Huffpo's average of polls for favorable-unfavorable:
Trump 34F - 56U
Cruz 34F - 40U
Bush 27F - 53U
Rubio 35F- 35U
Hillary 41F - 52U
Huffpo's average of polls for favorable-unfavorable:
Trump 34F - 56U
Cruz 34F - 40U
Bush 27F - 53U
Rubio 35F- 35U
Hillary 41F - 52U
Posted by: Meremortal at December 22, 2015 07:05 PM (3myMJ)
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A more ain't nothin' but an eel.
Posted by: zombie alice childress at December 22, 2015 07:05 PM (DLIIY)
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Palin and Trump fans are a lot alike, except that Palin did have a record of being a grassroots conservative her whole life while Trump basically started all of this a few months ago.
The only way I see Trump winning is he brings in a new universe of voters that neither Party currently pulls into the voting booth.
The only way I see Trump winning is he brings in a new universe of voters that neither Party currently pulls into the voting booth.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:05 PM (A3kYV)
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Let's hope Jeb keeps spending his money on leading question polls like this. The sooner he runs out of money the better.
I want the Bush/Clinton political dynasties to end this cycle. Enough is enough. Let's move on.
I want the Bush/Clinton political dynasties to end this cycle. Enough is enough. Let's move on.
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 22, 2015 07:06 PM (7v/r5)
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What people should be talking about is how Trump called Hillary "not a president." All the moderate Dems in my area don't like Trump and find him "uncouth," but they don't trust Hillary and many dislike or even despise her. Hence Bernie.
I would bet Trump knows this and is pressing on that bruise. That's why the MSM focused on "schlonged." They know he's right, but they can't bring themselves to admit it.
I would bet Trump knows this and is pressing on that bruise. That's why the MSM focused on "schlonged." They know he's right, but they can't bring themselves to admit it.
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:06 PM (Uk9e2)
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Funny. Dems didn't seem to be embarrassed over Joe's laughing hyena debate performance. Or Barry's umbrella escapades. Or Nancy's face.
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 07:06 PM (HgMAr)
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Quinnipiac Poll: 50% Would be "Embarassed" By Bear Mauling, 3% By Penguin Rape
tinyurl.com/o8qf9ro
tinyurl.com/o8qf9ro
Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (BngQR)
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The only way I see Trump winning is he brings in a
new universe of voters that neither Party currently pulls into the
voting booth.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:05 PM (A3kYV)
Yeah, that is the only way.
But considering that Trump has been doing absolutely nothing in terms of building networks or drawing in people to vote for him, I don't see how that is going to happen.
new universe of voters that neither Party currently pulls into the
voting booth.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:05 PM (A3kYV)
Yeah, that is the only way.
But considering that Trump has been doing absolutely nothing in terms of building networks or drawing in people to vote for him, I don't see how that is going to happen.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (5p18q)
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>>>Nice! I would still do her. You wouldn't????
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (jJRIy)>>>
Would she be talking?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 07:00 PM (jJRIy)>>>
Would she be talking?
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (4ueYo)
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I want the Bush/Clinton political dynasties to end this cycle. Enough is enough. Let's move on.
But I have a new heir apparent in the hopper!
But I have a new heir apparent in the hopper!
Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (8ZskC)
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I like Meremortal's numbers better.
I would be embarrassed if Hillary was president. She's done nothing except ride on her husband's coat tails.
I would be embarrassed if Hillary was president. She's done nothing except ride on her husband's coat tails.
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 07:08 PM (sj3Ax)
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"Schlonged" gave them a way of avoiding the real question, which is Hillary's total unsuitability and the lack of any Dem alternative.
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:08 PM (Uk9e2)
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Well , the Trump folks definitely need to get that urban doom and gloom "Smiths" demographic. That's the real gamechanger .
Can't win without them .
Can't win without them .
Posted by: awkward davies at December 22, 2015 07:08 PM (mP1RE)
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"Some of the smartest people I've met have college degrees. All of the dumbest people I've met have college degrees." That is not colloquial to more people than you think.
Posted by: Clarney at December 22, 2015 07:08 PM (dgO4h)
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As someone suggested earlier, I think (hope) that
Trump is running interference for Cruz, and he (Trump) is okay with
that. I'm still not convinced that he really wants to be president, or
thinks that he's qualified.
That would, at least, make him far more self-aware than most politicians. Posted by: pep at December 22, 2015 06:26 PM (LAe3v)
I've been thinking this for a month or so, and that last debate only soidified it. The Trump/Cruz, "please attack each other now", "nah, it's cool, we're bros" moment was the most obvious, but more telling was the start of the debate. The moderators were going after Trump for Ban All The Muslims, and invited everyone on stage to pile on. Cruz passed but explained his more nuanced, targeted ban proposal. Trump expands the perimeter of the Overton Window making Cruz an acceptable choice whereas without Trump playing his role, Cruz remains on the outside. Nevertheless, at this point you have to assume Trump is in it to win it, but I do still hope this is the role he's playing.
Trump is running interference for Cruz, and he (Trump) is okay with
that. I'm still not convinced that he really wants to be president, or
thinks that he's qualified.
That would, at least, make him far more self-aware than most politicians. Posted by: pep at December 22, 2015 06:26 PM (LAe3v)
I've been thinking this for a month or so, and that last debate only soidified it. The Trump/Cruz, "please attack each other now", "nah, it's cool, we're bros" moment was the most obvious, but more telling was the start of the debate. The moderators were going after Trump for Ban All The Muslims, and invited everyone on stage to pile on. Cruz passed but explained his more nuanced, targeted ban proposal. Trump expands the perimeter of the Overton Window making Cruz an acceptable choice whereas without Trump playing his role, Cruz remains on the outside. Nevertheless, at this point you have to assume Trump is in it to win it, but I do still hope this is the role he's playing.
Posted by: mugiwara at December 22, 2015 07:08 PM (9eF7E)
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168 I miss Mark Levin, he's on vacation.
Yeah, that's the thing about this time of year. Everybody's gone except for the second string, who are filling in for them.
Yeah, that's the thing about this time of year. Everybody's gone except for the second string, who are filling in for them.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:08 PM (cDs+4)
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The only way I see Trump winning is he brings in a
new universe of voters that neither Party currently pulls into the
voting booth.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:05 PM (A3kYV)
I think we don't yet know exactly who Trump would pull in. It might be nobody, but Ace's calculations above seem to have left out the possibility of a bunch of people who would NEVER vote for a Republican before Trump, doing so. Maybe they don't exist. I don't know. It would be fun to find out though.
new universe of voters that neither Party currently pulls into the
voting booth.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:05 PM (A3kYV)
I think we don't yet know exactly who Trump would pull in. It might be nobody, but Ace's calculations above seem to have left out the possibility of a bunch of people who would NEVER vote for a Republican before Trump, doing so. Maybe they don't exist. I don't know. It would be fun to find out though.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:09 PM (TOk1P)
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Yeah I am embarrassed now by our current jerk-in-chief.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:09 PM (5p18q)
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The same people were "embarrassed" by Reagan. Fvck that as a serious consideration.
Posted by: Kerry at December 22, 2015 07:09 PM (8n+U+)
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"[Cruz] won't appeal to non-college educated voters."
OK, I'll soften it. Right now he doesn't appeal to this cohort. That's why these voters are with Trump if they're not Evangelical. And Cruz may never appeal to this cohort. That's his challenge.
Cruz is rising almost exactly in line with Carson's fading. Most of this is Evangelicals switching. Which is why Cruz is now leading in Iowa. If Cruz can win in South Carolina he can make a race of it. If not, I doubt that he can.
Cruz is an appellate lawyer type. He wouldn't be my first choice to run a jury trial. Just sayin'
OK, I'll soften it. Right now he doesn't appeal to this cohort. That's why these voters are with Trump if they're not Evangelical. And Cruz may never appeal to this cohort. That's his challenge.
Cruz is rising almost exactly in line with Carson's fading. Most of this is Evangelicals switching. Which is why Cruz is now leading in Iowa. If Cruz can win in South Carolina he can make a race of it. If not, I doubt that he can.
Cruz is an appellate lawyer type. He wouldn't be my first choice to run a jury trial. Just sayin'
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (r1fLd)
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But considering that Trump has been doing absolutely nothing in terms of building networks or drawing in people to vote for him, I don't see how that is going to happen.
Posted by: chemjeff
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I also don't think Trump will do the real campaign "grunt" work or make that investment in infrastructure. He will think he can win this on Twitter alone.
If Trump was dumping his own money into these states building a ground operation, I would believe he's at least trying to pull it off.
Posted by: chemjeff
}}}}}}}}}
I also don't think Trump will do the real campaign "grunt" work or make that investment in infrastructure. He will think he can win this on Twitter alone.
If Trump was dumping his own money into these states building a ground operation, I would believe he's at least trying to pull it off.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (A3kYV)
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Would anything be more embarrassing than a Trump/Clinton election? I'm mean really? How far down the rabbit hole have we gone?
Posted by: macleod at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (Qf5bp)
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Would she be talking?
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (4ueYo)
She wouldn't HAVE to be.
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (4ueYo)
She wouldn't HAVE to be.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (cDs+4)
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Oh my, did I get under your skin?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:58 PM (5p18q)
Repeating, just so everyone knows what the game is
Oh my, did I get under your skin?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 06:58 PM (5p18q)
Repeating, just so everyone knows what the game is
Posted by: Methos at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (ZbV+0)
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>>>But considering that Trump has been doing absolutely nothing in terms of building networks or drawing in people to vote for him, I don't see how that is going to happen.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (5p18q)>>>
Maybe he can borrow ORCA.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (5p18q)>>>
Maybe he can borrow ORCA.
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (4ueYo)
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Trump/Cruz, and Trump resigns in two years to enjoy his wealth and new friends.
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (Uk9e2)
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>>>Well, that's why I'm on Team Cruz. Team Cruz while laughing at Trump's antics all the way.
i hear that.
I think with Cruz you have a much more predictable sort of race. I also think we're the underdogs in this race.
One good thing about Trump is that he's such a preposterous X Factor that one could imagine him winning, even despite all this crap, and despite the polls.
With Cruz, you know what you're getting, more, which is both good and bad.
i hear that.
I think with Cruz you have a much more predictable sort of race. I also think we're the underdogs in this race.
One good thing about Trump is that he's such a preposterous X Factor that one could imagine him winning, even despite all this crap, and despite the polls.
With Cruz, you know what you're getting, more, which is both good and bad.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:11 PM (dciA+)
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I wrote Palin off when she kept going to the well of telling college graduates, basically, that they weren't all that smart and definitely weren't that superior.
They're not. Not in the least. Some of them, are the dumbest motherfuckers I have ever come across.
They're not. Not in the least. Some of them, are the dumbest motherfuckers I have ever come across.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the Rain at December 22, 2015 07:11 PM (9d6yS)
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Would anything be more embarrassing than a Trump/Clinton election?
It would indeed be embarrassing. For Hillary.
It would indeed be embarrassing. For Hillary.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 22, 2015 07:11 PM (8ZskC)
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Okay, why doesn't Cruz appeal to the non-college-educated types? I don't understand this.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:11 PM (5p18q)
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Ace is concerned about voters being embarrassed by Donald Trump. I wish to reply that the USA collectively didn't seem to be too embarrassed about Barack Obama for 7 years now. Could Trump be really more cringeworthy than Obummer on a weekly basis?
Posted by: exdem13 at December 22, 2015 07:11 PM (ry4ab)
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Ace is on fire today. Glad I renewed my platinum subscription today
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (voOPb)
219
Oh my, Yeb! was on Greta having the vapors about Trump's vulgar attacks on Hillybilly. That's not helpful, and he will challenge her on her record. Vomit.
That's it. That's what these idiots have been saying for years. Oh we can't attack Obama, that will make the independents mad. I'm sick of that shit.
Don't know if it will work, but I guarantee you Trump will attack Hillary and any other Democrat with everything he's got. He'll be a like a bulldog on a meat wagon.
That's it. That's what these idiots have been saying for years. Oh we can't attack Obama, that will make the independents mad. I'm sick of that shit.
Don't know if it will work, but I guarantee you Trump will attack Hillary and any other Democrat with everything he's got. He'll be a like a bulldog on a meat wagon.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (dvuhZ)
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>>>She wouldn't HAVE to be.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (cDs+4)>>>
I'm not convinced. I think she has to talk to breath. Like a shark swimming.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (cDs+4)>>>
I'm not convinced. I think she has to talk to breath. Like a shark swimming.
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (4ueYo)
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I also don't think Trump will do the real campaign "grunt" work or make that investment in infrastructure. He will think he can win this on Twitter alone.
This statement is laughable.
This statement is laughable.
Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (z/Ubi)
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I think we don't yet know exactly who Trump would pull in. It might be nobody, but Ace's calculations above seem to have left out the possibility of a bunch of people who would NEVER vote for a Republican before Trump, doing so. Maybe they don't exist. I don't know. It would be fun to find out though.
Posted by: BurtTC
It won't be fun if Hillary gets a landslide because the polling was right all along.
I can understand Trump's support, but I would at least like his supporters to be honest that it could be an epic train wreck.
Posted by: BurtTC
It won't be fun if Hillary gets a landslide because the polling was right all along.
I can understand Trump's support, but I would at least like his supporters to be honest that it could be an epic train wreck.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (A3kYV)
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"Ace always thought that she (Megyn) was so smart. I tried telling him that she was just smart for a blonde."
- Budd in Kill Trump Vol. 2
- Budd in Kill Trump Vol. 2
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (nFdGS)
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Would she be talking?
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (4ueYo)
i would not give a shit.
Hopefully she would be screaming about my big dick.
I make joke
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (4ueYo)
i would not give a shit.
Hopefully she would be screaming about my big dick.
I make joke
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (jJRIy)
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202 168 I miss Mark Levin, he's on vacation.
Yeah, that's the thing about this time of year. Everybody's gone except for the second string, who are filling in for them.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:08 PM (cDs+4)
Why is that? I've never heard an explanation for why all the talk radio hosts take a vacation at the end of the year.
Yeah, that's the thing about this time of year. Everybody's gone except for the second string, who are filling in for them.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:08 PM (cDs+4)
Why is that? I've never heard an explanation for why all the talk radio hosts take a vacation at the end of the year.
Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (sdi6R)
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Would she be talking?
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (4ueYo)
She wouldn't HAVE to be.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (cDs+4)
I am going to insist on assurances she wouldn't be ALLOWED to.
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM (4ueYo)
She wouldn't HAVE to be.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:10 PM (cDs+4)
I am going to insist on assurances she wouldn't be ALLOWED to.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (TOk1P)
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Yeah, that is the only way.
But considering that
Trump has been doing absolutely nothing in terms of building networks or
drawing in people to vote for him, I don't see how that is going to
happen.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM
Perhaps you're right. I dunno too much about the ins and outs of all of this, but, Trump has a President Comacho vibe going on that may play out in a surprising way. Not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing... Just that it's a thing.
But considering that
Trump has been doing absolutely nothing in terms of building networks or
drawing in people to vote for him, I don't see how that is going to
happen.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM
Perhaps you're right. I dunno too much about the ins and outs of all of this, but, Trump has a President Comacho vibe going on that may play out in a surprising way. Not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing... Just that it's a thing.
Posted by: otho at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (EWg9n)
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With Cruz, you know what you're getting, more, which is both good and bad.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:11 PM (dciA+)
At least I wouldn't worry about him shooting his big damn mouth without thinking first. Not so much, anyway.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:11 PM (dciA+)
At least I wouldn't worry about him shooting his big damn mouth without thinking first. Not so much, anyway.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (cDs+4)
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I live in Yankee land.
Trump is making inroads here.
Everyone hates Hillary.
Posted by: gdonovan at December 22, 2015 07:02 PM (Ipxoj)
..................
CA update:
My mom, a two time B.O. voter, hates Hillary! and likes Trump.
Two of my neighbors already have Bernie signs in their yards. So they're just retarded.
I live in Yankee land.
Trump is making inroads here.
Everyone hates Hillary.
Posted by: gdonovan at December 22, 2015 07:02 PM (Ipxoj)
..................
CA update:
My mom, a two time B.O. voter, hates Hillary! and likes Trump.
Two of my neighbors already have Bernie signs in their yards. So they're just retarded.
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (HgMAr)
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>>>The only way I see Trump winning is he brings in a
new universe of voters that neither Party currently pulls into the
voting booth.
i think he would have to do THAT and also hang on to 95% of the usual typical base. I fear his shenanigans is going to lose him maybe 15-20% of the typical GOP base, which cannot be made up with with new voters.
new universe of voters that neither Party currently pulls into the
voting booth.
i think he would have to do THAT and also hang on to 95% of the usual typical base. I fear his shenanigans is going to lose him maybe 15-20% of the typical GOP base, which cannot be made up with with new voters.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: The Donald at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (2lndx)
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218
Ace is on fire today. Glad I renewed my platinum subscription today
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (voOPb)
Year end special?
Ace is on fire today. Glad I renewed my platinum subscription today
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (voOPb)
Year end special?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (jJRIy)
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Hopefully she would be screaming about my big dick.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (jJRIy)
But do you have one in every room of your house?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (jJRIy)
But do you have one in every room of your house?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (0NdlF)
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Here's how I see the electorate:
20% conservatives- would vote enthusiastically for a conservative, have shown in previous cycles they would hold their nose and vote for a GOPe
20% GOPe/Chamber of Commerce types- would vote enthusiastically for a conservative, would stay home in droves for a conservative
20% hardcore Dem party stalwarts- lefty/progressive/socialist activist- would vote enthusiastically for anyone with a (D).
20% LIV Democrats- if you can get them to the polls they'll reliably vote for (D).
20% Angry at Daddy voters- Tend to vote (D) but could be tempted off the reservation by either a Bernie or a Trump
20% "Independents"- unaffiliated/libertarian leaning, disgruntled at the two-party system- up for grabs
20% Soccer moms- will vote for the most "handsome" or a woman, if the (R) candidate is an old white guy.
20% Dead and or fraudulent voters. In the bag for (D).
So that gets us up to 87%. The remaining 13% are up for grabs and will decide the next election.
20% conservatives- would vote enthusiastically for a conservative, have shown in previous cycles they would hold their nose and vote for a GOPe
20% GOPe/Chamber of Commerce types- would vote enthusiastically for a conservative, would stay home in droves for a conservative
20% hardcore Dem party stalwarts- lefty/progressive/socialist activist- would vote enthusiastically for anyone with a (D).
20% LIV Democrats- if you can get them to the polls they'll reliably vote for (D).
20% Angry at Daddy voters- Tend to vote (D) but could be tempted off the reservation by either a Bernie or a Trump
20% "Independents"- unaffiliated/libertarian leaning, disgruntled at the two-party system- up for grabs
20% Soccer moms- will vote for the most "handsome" or a woman, if the (R) candidate is an old white guy.
20% Dead and or fraudulent voters. In the bag for (D).
So that gets us up to 87%. The remaining 13% are up for grabs and will decide the next election.
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A more ain't nothin' but an eel.
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*pounds piano really, really hard*
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*pounds piano really, really hard*
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81 My personal take has always been that Trump is a gas giant clearing the orbit of debris so that other planets can thrive.
More likely they'll be flung out of the solar system.
More likely they'll be flung out of the solar system.
Posted by: despair at December 22, 2015 07:14 PM (VrdxH)
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It won't be fun if Hillary gets a landslide because the polling was right all along.
I can understand Trump's support, but I would at least like his supporters to be honest that it could be an epic train wreck.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (A3kYV)
Oh, you're right. We better nominate Rubio then. Just to be sure.
I can understand Trump's support, but I would at least like his supporters to be honest that it could be an epic train wreck.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (A3kYV)
Oh, you're right. We better nominate Rubio then. Just to be sure.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:14 PM (TOk1P)
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>>Oh Rubio is more than a *little* weaselly. He is a complete fraud.
In a sense he is even more dangerous than Trump. At least with Trump you are under no illusions that he is a conservative. Rubio claims to be a conservative when he is just oozing slimy weasel goo all over the place.
All this weasel talk reminds me I need to go wring mine out.
In a sense he is even more dangerous than Trump. At least with Trump you are under no illusions that he is a conservative. Rubio claims to be a conservative when he is just oozing slimy weasel goo all over the place.
All this weasel talk reminds me I need to go wring mine out.
Posted by: Hillary at December 22, 2015 07:14 PM (c7vUv)
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I also don't think Trump will do the real campaign "grunt" work or make that investment in infrastructure. He will think he can win this on Twitter alone.
This statement is laughable.
Posted by: buzzion
What type of operation does he have in Iowa? Basically every state there's nothing there with Trump.
Campaigns aren't won on free media, there has to be a ground game that produces people at the voting booth.
This statement is laughable.
Posted by: buzzion
What type of operation does he have in Iowa? Basically every state there's nothing there with Trump.
Campaigns aren't won on free media, there has to be a ground game that produces people at the voting booth.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:14 PM (A3kYV)
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Democrat Party not saying Bernie is the most electable based on this poll?
Posted by: William Eaton at December 22, 2015 06:46 PM (q52Ma)
Token opponent?
Posted by: William Eaton at December 22, 2015 06:46 PM (q52Ma)
Token opponent?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 22, 2015 07:14 PM (voOPb)
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Can you see this polling apparatus asking the very same question of Hillary Clinton? Or perhaps a more applicable example...Joe Biden?
This is pure projection on behalf of whomever thought up the polling topic. And, I have to say...despite thinking Trump is a buffoon, and would be a total disaster as "leader of the free world," I'm temped now to vote for him to serve up a nice, big, fat FUCK YOU to all these ninnies who think they should shape the political landscape for us great unwashed.
This is pure projection on behalf of whomever thought up the polling topic. And, I have to say...despite thinking Trump is a buffoon, and would be a total disaster as "leader of the free world," I'm temped now to vote for him to serve up a nice, big, fat FUCK YOU to all these ninnies who think they should shape the political landscape for us great unwashed.
Posted by: OrsonSnow at December 22, 2015 07:15 PM (fM6rQ)
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Oh, you're right. We better nominate Rubio then. Just to be sure.
You can never go wrong with the trusted Bush brand.
You can never go wrong with the trusted Bush brand.
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at December 22, 2015 07:15 PM (8ZskC)
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It's a stupid fucking question asked by a stupid fucking pollster firm.
It's a bullshit poll question designed Not To demonstrate public opinion but to sway public opinion.
It's a stupid fucking question asked by a stupid fucking pollster firm.
It's a bullshit poll question designed Not To demonstrate public opinion but to sway public opinion.
Posted by: 270000 admirals and generals at December 22, 2015 07:15 PM (rHiI3)
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Trump/Cruz, "please attack each other now", "nah, it's cool, we're bros" moment was the most obvious, but more telling was the start of the debate. The moderators were going after Trump for Ban All The Muslims, and invited everyone on stage to pile on. Cruz passed but explained his more nuanced, targeted ban proposal
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Trump is the only Alpha male running, the only one in the entire election cycle. Cruz is Beta, that shows it in spades.
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Trump is the only Alpha male running, the only one in the entire election cycle. Cruz is Beta, that shows it in spades.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 22, 2015 07:15 PM (F+xWX)
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"The only way I see Trump winning is he brings in a
new universe of voters that neither Party currently pulls into the voting booth."
That's only part of the equation. Suppressing turnout is critical this cycle. If you drive up Hillary's negatives a lot of her nominal supporters will stay home. In each case, that's half a vote for the Republican. This wouldn't have worked against Obama in 2008, nor even in 2012.
Trump will be quite effective at this. The question is, at what cost to his own turnout.
Cruz could be effective, but I'm not sure of much.
new universe of voters that neither Party currently pulls into the voting booth."
That's only part of the equation. Suppressing turnout is critical this cycle. If you drive up Hillary's negatives a lot of her nominal supporters will stay home. In each case, that's half a vote for the Republican. This wouldn't have worked against Obama in 2008, nor even in 2012.
Trump will be quite effective at this. The question is, at what cost to his own turnout.
Cruz could be effective, but I'm not sure of much.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 22, 2015 07:15 PM (r1fLd)
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when he is just oozing slimy weasel goo all over the place.
Hey no porn, this is a family friendly embarrassing site.
Hey no porn, this is a family friendly embarrassing site.
Posted by: DaveA at December 22, 2015 07:15 PM (DL2i+)
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Vanities aren't like assholes, they're like teeth: We all have a bunch
of them, and we show them off every time we open our mouths.
Heh.
re: Palin.
I think this is the first time I have seen you criticize her where it didn't just piss me off. Substantive, and not adopting the left's lies.
But, I think you are setting the bar a bit high for Trump (and Palin). What that 25% really likes about Trump (and Palin) is their firm signaling that they will not sell out their base - like all the others. It has happened all too many times that someone who send out the mixed signals - like Rubio - turns around and fucks us over when it really counts.
What's the point of winning the election if your guy just screws you over on the policy once he gets in?
of them, and we show them off every time we open our mouths.
Heh.
re: Palin.
I think this is the first time I have seen you criticize her where it didn't just piss me off. Substantive, and not adopting the left's lies.
But, I think you are setting the bar a bit high for Trump (and Palin). What that 25% really likes about Trump (and Palin) is their firm signaling that they will not sell out their base - like all the others. It has happened all too many times that someone who send out the mixed signals - like Rubio - turns around and fucks us over when it really counts.
What's the point of winning the election if your guy just screws you over on the policy once he gets in?
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 22, 2015 07:16 PM (IN7k+)
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likely voters? they WEREN'T. Chupen verga.
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2015 07:16 PM (AC/m6)
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I think with Cruz you have a much more predictable sort of race. I also think we're the underdogs in this race.
I don't think so. Hillary is *beyond* awful. The election is the R's for the taking. THAT is why it is now important to put an actual conservative in there. If wedick schlong around with a guy like Trump, we will be squandering this great opportunity.
I don't think so. Hillary is *beyond* awful. The election is the R's for the taking. THAT is why it is now important to put an actual conservative in there. If we
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:16 PM (5p18q)
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So that gets us up to 87%. The remaining 13% are up for grabs and will decide the next election.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 22, 2015 07:14 PM (NeFrd)
Math major?
Me either. I like it! I'm sold.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 22, 2015 07:14 PM (NeFrd)
Math major?
Me either. I like it! I'm sold.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:16 PM (TOk1P)
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@191 Feh... I picked up on this too. Trump bashing on Hillary is pushing on that bruise with the Democrats.... that Hillary has been anointed.... despite Bernie drawing huge crowds of spittled socialists... the media is desperately trying to send the message that it's a done deal and that there should be no questions about Hillary's background or fitness to serve. Trump is mashing that up but good.
Posted by: Yip at December 22, 2015 07:16 PM (e7T6D)
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i think he would have to do THAT and also hang on to 95% of the usual typical base. I fear his shenanigans is going to lose him maybe 15-20% of the typical GOP base, which cannot be made up with with new voters.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (dciA+)
but ace, the flip side is that the GOPs shenanigans has already lost then 15-20% of "the base" as well. And they're certainly not bringing in any new voters
So it's kind of turning in to Trump being the only chance the GOP has to win in the general, I fear.
If it's even possible for the GOP to win a general anymore. The demographics, they are a-changing (and I don't just mean immigration, I mean ideological demographics too)
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (dciA+)
but ace, the flip side is that the GOPs shenanigans has already lost then 15-20% of "the base" as well. And they're certainly not bringing in any new voters
So it's kind of turning in to Trump being the only chance the GOP has to win in the general, I fear.
If it's even possible for the GOP to win a general anymore. The demographics, they are a-changing (and I don't just mean immigration, I mean ideological demographics too)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:17 PM (AkOaV)
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>>>i think he would have to do THAT and also hang on to 95% of the usual typical base. I fear his shenanigans is going to lose him maybe 15-20% of the typical GOP base, which cannot be made up with with new voters.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (dciA+)>>>
If you get Jeb to run third party, he'd gobble those up instead of letting them go to Hillary, and then draw some of the more moderate or anti-corruption (if there are any) Democrats to him. Sort of like Anderson in 1980.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (dciA+)>>>
If you get Jeb to run third party, he'd gobble those up instead of letting them go to Hillary, and then draw some of the more moderate or anti-corruption (if there are any) Democrats to him. Sort of like Anderson in 1980.
Posted by: gm at December 22, 2015 07:17 PM (4ueYo)
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Eh...who fucking cares if they're embarrassed? Support Trump just for chance he calls HC a whore to her face in a debate.
Posted by: Ryan at December 22, 2015 07:17 PM (JxyYM)
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Ace always saves his thoughtful posts for when I'm on the road and can't comment.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! with purchase of equal or greater value commenter at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM (9xFD7)
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I mean I'm pleasantly surprised that Cruz is now seen as the "rational choice" instead of the "wacko bird" "extremist" (thats the overton window shift ace's been talking about in action)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM (AkOaV)
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Cruz has no warmth. That's his problem.
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM (Uk9e2)
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>>>So it's kind of turning in to Trump being the only chance the GOP has to win in the general, I fear.
If it's even possible for the GOP to win a general anymore. The demographics, they are a-changing (and I don't just mean immigration, I mean ideological demographics too)
...
that's an idea I have from time to time too -- that whatever Trump is, he seems like the only possible (highly flawed) candidate who has enough of an X Factor to (possibly) defy our political fates.
If it's even possible for the GOP to win a general anymore. The demographics, they are a-changing (and I don't just mean immigration, I mean ideological demographics too)
...
that's an idea I have from time to time too -- that whatever Trump is, he seems like the only possible (highly flawed) candidate who has enough of an X Factor to (possibly) defy our political fates.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM (dciA+)
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I would say top radio show host gets a good amount of vacation time and prime days off.
Posted by: Skip at December 22, 2015 07:19 PM (k0xxN)
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I would at least like his supporters to be honest that it could be an epic train wreck.
Losing with dignity is a lofty ideal.
Losing with dignity is a lofty ideal.
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2015 07:19 PM (n22zQ)
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Trump is a crude, tacky, over-the-top jackass, in love with money, honies, and himself. And, well, we ARE that sort of a nation. In some ways, he's the representative apotheosis of the sturdy but low qualities that made this nation great once. Who knows? Maybe we need this.
Posted by: Kaspar Gutman at December 22, 2015 07:19 PM (ErTgp)
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I will note that if Trump does nothing else, his candidacy derailed the Jeb! Train, and for that, I will be eternally grateful.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! with purchase of equal or greater value commenter at December 22, 2015 07:19 PM (9xFD7)
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"With Cruz, you know what you're getting, more, which is both good and bad. "
True. Also true, I am screwing around on my mom's ancestry.com account and just discovered a great X 6 or so aunt named...Cinderella.
I am really pissed those houseworking forest critters were not bequeathed to me.
True. Also true, I am screwing around on my mom's ancestry.com account and just discovered a great X 6 or so aunt named...Cinderella.
I am really pissed those houseworking forest critters were not bequeathed to me.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:19 PM (Kqit+)
Posted by: gdonovan at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (Ipxoj)
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that's an idea I have from time to time too -- that
whatever Trump is, he seems like the only possible (highly flawed)
candidate who has enough of an X Factor to (possibly) defy our political
fates.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM
Bingo.
whatever Trump is, he seems like the only possible (highly flawed)
candidate who has enough of an X Factor to (possibly) defy our political
fates.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM
Bingo.
Posted by: otho at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (EWg9n)
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As for those Polite Right bloggers we're supposed to be trying to woo:
Why are you having trouble deciding between Rubio, Jeb Bush, and Christie? I think we all agree that those are the only three center-right Republicans with any chance of winning New Hampshire
Allahpundit
"Center-right" indeed.
As for those Polite Right bloggers we're supposed to be trying to woo:
Why are you having trouble deciding between Rubio, Jeb Bush, and Christie? I think we all agree that those are the only three center-right Republicans with any chance of winning New Hampshire
Allahpundit
"Center-right" indeed.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (kdS6q)
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"i think he would have to do THAT and also hang on to 95% of the usual
typical base. I fear his shenanigans is going to lose him maybe 15-20%
of the typical GOP base, which cannot be made up with with new voters."
I don't see how any other GOP candidate pulls stronger support in the general. I'm ideologically closer to Cruz but if the goal is either to 1) beat Hillary or 2) spark permanent change in the GOP, Trump's bludgeoning style beats Ted's rapier wit.
I was a "sit this one out, third party" guy to begin with, and Trump's the closest thing to that we have going right now. If he can't rebuild the Reagan coalition for real, no one else can.
Ted's too market-orthodox to appeal to Dems and is literally toxic to them, whereas Trump's won over a number of strong Dems, even Hillary Dems, I know here in the People's Republic of CA.
Our other prospective coalition partners, the Libertarians, don't seem enamored of Cruz and sure as hell don't have the numbers compared to working class, culturally sane Democrats, particularly non-college Whites.
typical base. I fear his shenanigans is going to lose him maybe 15-20%
of the typical GOP base, which cannot be made up with with new voters."
I don't see how any other GOP candidate pulls stronger support in the general. I'm ideologically closer to Cruz but if the goal is either to 1) beat Hillary or 2) spark permanent change in the GOP, Trump's bludgeoning style beats Ted's rapier wit.
I was a "sit this one out, third party" guy to begin with, and Trump's the closest thing to that we have going right now. If he can't rebuild the Reagan coalition for real, no one else can.
Ted's too market-orthodox to appeal to Dems and is literally toxic to them, whereas Trump's won over a number of strong Dems, even Hillary Dems, I know here in the People's Republic of CA.
Our other prospective coalition partners, the Libertarians, don't seem enamored of Cruz and sure as hell don't have the numbers compared to working class, culturally sane Democrats, particularly non-college Whites.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (RtG9B)
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I live in Yankee land.
Trump is making inroads here.
Everyone hates Hillary.
Posted by: gdonovan at December 22, 2015 07:02 PM (Ipxoj)
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CA update:
My mom, a two time B.O. voter, hates Hillary! and likes Trump.
Two of my neighbors already have Bernie signs in their yards. So they're just retarded.
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (HgMAr)
A great many of the disgruntled Bernouts are going to go for Trump. They ZFUKCING hate Hillary.
Trump is making inroads here.
Everyone hates Hillary.
Posted by: gdonovan at December 22, 2015 07:02 PM (Ipxoj)
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CA update:
My mom, a two time B.O. voter, hates Hillary! and likes Trump.
Two of my neighbors already have Bernie signs in their yards. So they're just retarded.
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 07:13 PM (HgMAr)
A great many of the disgruntled Bernouts are going to go for Trump. They ZFUKCING hate Hillary.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the Rain at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (9d6yS)
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I want the Bush/Clinton political dynasties to end this cycle. Enough is enough. Let's move on.
But I have a new heir apparent in the hopper!Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM
Okay, let me rephrase... I want the Bush/Clinton/Hubbell dynasty to end.
/ free republic mode off
But I have a new heir apparent in the hopper!Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at December 22, 2015 07:07 PM
Okay, let me rephrase... I want the Bush/Clinton/Hubbell dynasty to end.
/ free republic mode off
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (7v/r5)
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What type of operation does he have in Iowa? Basically every state there's nothing there with Trump.
Campaigns aren't won on free media, there has to be a ground game that produces people at the voting booth.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:14 PM (A3kYV)
You apparently have no clue about Trump's organizational efforts in the states, and just think his campaign is all on twitter. You are laughable.
http://tinyurl.com/z2acetg
But here in Iowa, it's another story. Trump is trying to beat the politicians on their turf, building one of the most extensive organizations in the Republican field.
Campaigns aren't won on free media, there has to be a ground game that produces people at the voting booth.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:14 PM (A3kYV)
You apparently have no clue about Trump's organizational efforts in the states, and just think his campaign is all on twitter. You are laughable.
http://tinyurl.com/z2acetg
But here in Iowa, it's another story. Trump is trying to beat the politicians on their turf, building one of the most extensive organizations in the Republican field.
Posted by: buzzion at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (z/Ubi)
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Oh, you're right. We better nominate Rubio then. Just to be sure.
Posted by: BurtTC
Who said Rubio? Project much? Rubio is looking like he's done.
But Trump's fans jumping up and down and crying when someone mentions how poorly Trump polls is not going to make it go away.
The last WSJ/NBC poll showed Trump losing to Hillary by 10 points, but other GOP candidates winning.
But it's all a conspiracy and deep down, Trump is beloved (despite having higher negatives than Hillary)
Posted by: BurtTC
Who said Rubio? Project much? Rubio is looking like he's done.
But Trump's fans jumping up and down and crying when someone mentions how poorly Trump polls is not going to make it go away.
The last WSJ/NBC poll showed Trump losing to Hillary by 10 points, but other GOP candidates winning.
But it's all a conspiracy and deep down, Trump is beloved (despite having higher negatives than Hillary)
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (A3kYV)
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In order to appeal to a swath of people in the nation, we have to first BE a nation.
We aren't, anymore.
Trump may not be able to appeal to more of the electorate. He may not be able to "speak the language" of a people he is not kin to.
I don't think anyone can, anymore.
The Left has split us into warring camps, separate quasi-nations, clans, tribes, and gangs.
We're as much a nation as we are an argument.
The Left will win because they can cheat.
We will lose because we're honestly infuriated at the situation and cannot communicate across artificially-imposed divides. We do not have the megaphone of the media, and the media is never going to stop hurting the corpse of America.
We aren't, anymore.
Trump may not be able to appeal to more of the electorate. He may not be able to "speak the language" of a people he is not kin to.
I don't think anyone can, anymore.
The Left has split us into warring camps, separate quasi-nations, clans, tribes, and gangs.
We're as much a nation as we are an argument.
The Left will win because they can cheat.
We will lose because we're honestly infuriated at the situation and cannot communicate across artificially-imposed divides. We do not have the megaphone of the media, and the media is never going to stop hurting the corpse of America.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at December 22, 2015 07:21 PM (7O9ts)
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***The election is the R's for the taking. ***
And HOW many times have we said this exact thing?
Ask President McCain. Or President Romney.
Yes, we do desperately need to put an actual conservative in there. But the Big Angry GOP Establishment hates our guts and wants us dead, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they manage to give us Yeb or Rubio "for our own good".
And HOW many times have we said this exact thing?
Ask President McCain. Or President Romney.
Yes, we do desperately need to put an actual conservative in there. But the Big Angry GOP Establishment hates our guts and wants us dead, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they manage to give us Yeb or Rubio "for our own good".
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:21 PM (cDs+4)
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The same people were "embarrassed" by Reagan.
It's been that way literally since the start of the Republican Party. "The cheeks of every American must tingle with shame as he reads the silly, flat and dishwater utterances of a man who has to be pointed out to intelligent foreigners as the President of the United States." The Chicago Times, about Abraham Lincoln. Gotta love those intelligent foreigners.
It's been that way literally since the start of the Republican Party. "The cheeks of every American must tingle with shame as he reads the silly, flat and dishwater utterances of a man who has to be pointed out to intelligent foreigners as the President of the United States." The Chicago Times, about Abraham Lincoln. Gotta love those intelligent foreigners.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 22, 2015 07:21 PM (2lndx)
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that's an idea I have from time to time too -- that whatever Trump is, he seems like the only possible (highly flawed) candidate who has enough of an X Factor to (possibly) defy our political fates.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM (dciA+)
That's why I've refrained from attacking him & his supporters (for the most part) and have defended him from time to time.
Looking at the 2012 exit data, I'm really starting to think that '08 was not a fluke and that for now at least, it's going to be damned near impossible for the R's to win a presidential election without pulling in a lot of dissatisfied people who are non-voters... and I don't know how to craft a strategy to pull in people who purposely ignore politics and everything about it.
And yet, Trump seems to be doing some of that.
But its all anecdotal, who knows?
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM (dciA+)
That's why I've refrained from attacking him & his supporters (for the most part) and have defended him from time to time.
Looking at the 2012 exit data, I'm really starting to think that '08 was not a fluke and that for now at least, it's going to be damned near impossible for the R's to win a presidential election without pulling in a lot of dissatisfied people who are non-voters... and I don't know how to craft a strategy to pull in people who purposely ignore politics and everything about it.
And yet, Trump seems to be doing some of that.
But its all anecdotal, who knows?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:21 PM (AkOaV)
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Cruz has no warmth. That's his problem.
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM (Uk9e2)
Which evaporates once he's running against Hillary. If the Republican campaign commercials consist of anything more than video of her talking it will be a serious case of malpractice.
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM (Uk9e2)
Which evaporates once he's running against Hillary. If the Republican campaign commercials consist of anything more than video of her talking it will be a serious case of malpractice.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 22, 2015 07:21 PM (nFdGS)
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Grump928(c) - Harrrumphh, Harrumphh
Posted by: Skip at December 22, 2015 07:21 PM (k0xxN)
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That's only part of the equation. Suppressing turnout is critical this cycle. If you drive up Hillary's negatives a lot of her nominal supporters will stay home. In each case, that's half a vote for the Republican. This wouldn't have worked against Obama in 2008, nor even in 2012.
There was plenty of oppo research available to use against TFP in both cycles. The GOPe were to cowed to use it.
If they'd shown what the MFM covered up, we wouldn't be in this mess. Who in their right mind would vote for someone who wanted their energy bills to skyrocket?
They didn't even try. I'm starting to suspect the fix was in back then.
There was plenty of oppo research available to use against TFP in both cycles. The GOPe were to cowed to use it.
If they'd shown what the MFM covered up, we wouldn't be in this mess. Who in their right mind would vote for someone who wanted their energy bills to skyrocket?
They didn't even try. I'm starting to suspect the fix was in back then.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 22, 2015 07:21 PM (LUgeY)
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I mean I'm pleasantly surprised that Cruz is now seen as the "rational choice" instead of the "wacko bird" "extremist" (thats the overton window shift ace's been talking about in action)
Yes, this.
Cruz is playing this game exceedingly well. Everyone knows he's drafting, he's acknowledging it, and he's still coming across as the rational one.
I quite like it.
Yes, this.
Cruz is playing this game exceedingly well. Everyone knows he's drafting, he's acknowledging it, and he's still coming across as the rational one.
I quite like it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 22, 2015 07:21 PM (1xUj/)
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I recon that Trump feller knows the water is cold, deep, and reaches the ocean after a spell.
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I'm embarrassed by the current embarrassment in the Oval Orifice.
But does anybody ask me about it? Hmmm?
But does anybody ask me about it? Hmmm?
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by process of elimination, it's Rubio. If you're center-right, he's not your best bet, he's your only bet.
Allahpundit
by process of elimination, it's Rubio. If you're center-right, he's not your best bet, he's your only bet.
Allahpundit
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 22, 2015 07:22 PM (kdS6q)
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I guess two things about Trump concern me:
1 - He doesn't seem to have spent a lot of money building a political infrastructure to support his campaign and to further his platform.
2 - He still has to govern if he wins, and the GOPe and their political infrastructure will fight him tooth and nail every step of the way.
The easy part for Trump is to win, but he'll have to decimate the GOPe and it's lackeys in both houses to govern.
1 - He doesn't seem to have spent a lot of money building a political infrastructure to support his campaign and to further his platform.
2 - He still has to govern if he wins, and the GOPe and their political infrastructure will fight him tooth and nail every step of the way.
The easy part for Trump is to win, but he'll have to decimate the GOPe and it's lackeys in both houses to govern.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 22, 2015 07:22 PM (60Vyp)
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If it's even possible for the GOP to win a general anymore. The
demographics, they are a-changing (and I don't just mean immigration, I
mean ideological demographics too)
Well I don't know about the GOP, but conservatives can absolutely win a general election, because the essential points that conservatives make - free individuals making decisions are better than government-run decisions, markets decide outcomes better than centrally planned bureaucracies - make their own case every time when some government agency bungles over and over.
demographics, they are a-changing (and I don't just mean immigration, I
mean ideological demographics too)
Well I don't know about the GOP, but conservatives can absolutely win a general election, because the essential points that conservatives make - free individuals making decisions are better than government-run decisions, markets decide outcomes better than centrally planned bureaucracies - make their own case every time when some government agency bungles over and over.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:22 PM (5p18q)
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Cruz has no warmth. That's his problem.
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM (Uk9e2)
Truth is a cold bitch.
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:18 PM (Uk9e2)
Truth is a cold bitch.
Posted by: Golfman at December 22, 2015 07:22 PM (48QDY)
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I wonder which class, the college educated class or the working class, serves more often in the military and in law enforcement?
I wonder which class owns more guns, and has more experience in the real time use of those guns?
I wonder which class is getting more aggravated by the dishonesty, willful ignorance, pretension, and lack of respect from the other?
I wonder which class takes the brunt of the political class's betrayals more often, and which class benefits more from those betrayals?
The class that stands to lose the most, not the class that has already lost the most, had damn well better understand and consider the "sensitivities" of the other.
If the country club set gets more offended by Trump's vulgarity than by Clinton and the democong leaving 3 Americans and a democrat to die in Benghazi (amongst numerous other treasons and corruptions), then their opinion is worth the exact same as the LIVs.
Having said that, I still don't trust Trump. Had Cruz stood against the Iran "treaty" or the inport/export deal, I would support him over Trump...he didn't. The rest are garbage.
I wonder which class owns more guns, and has more experience in the real time use of those guns?
I wonder which class is getting more aggravated by the dishonesty, willful ignorance, pretension, and lack of respect from the other?
I wonder which class takes the brunt of the political class's betrayals more often, and which class benefits more from those betrayals?
The class that stands to lose the most, not the class that has already lost the most, had damn well better understand and consider the "sensitivities" of the other.
If the country club set gets more offended by Trump's vulgarity than by Clinton and the democong leaving 3 Americans and a democrat to die in Benghazi (amongst numerous other treasons and corruptions), then their opinion is worth the exact same as the LIVs.
Having said that, I still don't trust Trump. Had Cruz stood against the Iran "treaty" or the inport/export deal, I would support him over Trump...he didn't. The rest are garbage.
Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 22, 2015 07:23 PM (A9KzJ)
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Yes, we do desperately need to put an actual conservative in there. But the Big Angry GOP Establishment hates our guts and wants us dead, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they manage to give us Yeb or Rubio "for our own good".
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:21 PM (cDs+4)
I don't think it's going to happen. I don't see a path to the WH for an actual conservative. I mean, there is (arguably) one, but with each passing year, it gets less and less likely.
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:21 PM (cDs+4)
I don't think it's going to happen. I don't see a path to the WH for an actual conservative. I mean, there is (arguably) one, but with each passing year, it gets less and less likely.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:23 PM (AkOaV)
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Twitter isn't loading fast enough today. Costa Reports put one up that said Cruz is bringing in certain kind of voter. But I only saw headline
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 07:23 PM (sj3Ax)
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Cruz has no warmth? I would beg to differ, watch Mark Steyn interview Cruz from Hannity link at Steyonline.
Posted by: Skip at December 22, 2015 07:23 PM (k0xxN)
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Trump / Cruz 2016 and not embarassed to say it !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 22, 2015 07:23 PM (erRNA)
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Trump only HAS to hang on to that 25%. That's all Hillary needs from him.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 22, 2015 07:24 PM (5IJcg)
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Rumor has it that the other night in the bathroom Hillary was experimenting with BHO's reverb machine that he used for big stadium speeches in '08 and '12.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 22, 2015 07:24 PM (NeFrd)
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Well I don't know about the GOP, but conservatives can absolutely win a general election, because the essential points that conservatives make - free individuals making decisions are better than government-run decisions, markets decide outcomes better than centrally planned bureaucracies - make their own case every time when some government agency bungles over and over.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:22 PM (5p18q)
But it doesn't sell with the electorate, the media, and the DC establishment we currently have.
They will never allow that message to be spread far and wide, and they do everything they can to poison the well and to destroy the word "conservative"
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:22 PM (5p18q)
But it doesn't sell with the electorate, the media, and the DC establishment we currently have.
They will never allow that message to be spread far and wide, and they do everything they can to poison the well and to destroy the word "conservative"
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>> I'm mean really? How far down the rabbit hole have we gone?
You ain't no wheres near the bottom.
You ain't no wheres near the bottom.
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Cruz has no warmth. That's his problem.
I thought his Christmas video was damn funny. And his movie quotes. He seems to have some level of humanity which he can draw on for warmth.
I thought his Christmas video was damn funny. And his movie quotes. He seems to have some level of humanity which he can draw on for warmth.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 22, 2015 07:24 PM (2lndx)
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"There was plenty of oppo research available to use against TFP in both cycles."
Point taken. Palin would have gone there in 2008, but got overruled.
Point taken. Palin would have gone there in 2008, but got overruled.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 22, 2015 07:24 PM (r1fLd)
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>>>The last WSJ/NBC poll showed Trump losing to Hillary by 10 points, but other GOP candidates winning.
yeah i think that's mostly real, too. There may be some "Shy Trump Voters" but they sure don't seem to shy when I meet them!
So that's gotta be a smallish number.
yeah i think that's mostly real, too. There may be some "Shy Trump Voters" but they sure don't seem to shy when I meet them!
So that's gotta be a smallish number.
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Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (A3kYV)
Isn't it time for Marco's yacht to be waxed, or something?
Isn't it time for Marco's yacht to be waxed, or something?
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the Rain at December 22, 2015 07:25 PM (9d6yS)
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The schlong on that guy.
Posted by: Donald Brady at December 22, 2015 07:26 PM (Dwehj)
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Not impressed. What people say and do in a voting booth are different things. It will come down to either Trump or Cruz vs. Hillary and either one, in my opinion, will win going away.
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The last WSJ/NBC poll showed Trump losing to Hillary by 10 points, but other GOP candidates winning.
Posted by: Brady
If GOPeCanidate_x is beating Hillary, and Hillary is beating Trump, then why isn't GOPeCanidate_x beating Trump?
The last WSJ/NBC poll showed Trump losing to Hillary by 10 points, but other GOP candidates winning.
Posted by: Brady
If GOPeCanidate_x is beating Hillary, and Hillary is beating Trump, then why isn't GOPeCanidate_x beating Trump?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 22, 2015 07:26 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Carol at December 22, 2015 07:26 PM (sj3Ax)
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Great post. There's a lot here to digest and to quote in the future.
One quibble:
For me, and I suspect for many who would answer that poll that way, the embarrassment of a President Trump would be on behalf of my country. It would be a humiliation for the United States.
It sounded to me like Ace thought people meant that they would be personally embarrassed to vote for the man, or somehow personally reduced by having a buffoon in office. I don't think that's what they meant.
I suppose the argument could be made, and I'm kind of moving in this direction, that we should all be immune to that sort of embarrassment, after the last 6.5 years of stupidity and international humiliation -- we're like strippers clutching at our wind-blown skirts. I don't really care about the embarrassment factor; I just don't think Trump is an actual conservative.
One quibble:
For me, and I suspect for many who would answer that poll that way, the embarrassment of a President Trump would be on behalf of my country. It would be a humiliation for the United States.
It sounded to me like Ace thought people meant that they would be personally embarrassed to vote for the man, or somehow personally reduced by having a buffoon in office. I don't think that's what they meant.
I suppose the argument could be made, and I'm kind of moving in this direction, that we should all be immune to that sort of embarrassment, after the last 6.5 years of stupidity and international humiliation -- we're like strippers clutching at our wind-blown skirts. I don't really care about the embarrassment factor; I just don't think Trump is an actual conservative.
Posted by: Pastafarian at December 22, 2015 07:26 PM (pCf+a)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 22, 2015 07:26 PM (NeFrd)
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Eh...who fucking cares if they're embarrassed? Support Trump just for chance he calls HC a whore to her face in a debate.
Posted by: Ryan at December 22, 2015 07:17 PM (JxyYM)
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Bonus points if he calls her a fat one.
Eh...who fucking cares if they're embarrassed? Support Trump just for chance he calls HC a whore to her face in a debate.
Posted by: Ryan at December 22, 2015 07:17 PM (JxyYM)
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Bonus points if he calls her a fat one.
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 07:27 PM (HgMAr)
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I like it too, but he won't pull women. Trump is a hugger. He likes crazy America. Crazy America lives him back. Cruz is chin up, chest out, always in a battle. Severe. His story isn't as American as Trump's. Cruz is Elliott Ness.
Hillary is just a wicked old power, saddled with that buffoon college boy.
Hillary is just a wicked old power, saddled with that buffoon college boy.
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:27 PM (Uk9e2)
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Hey Lauren, you still here?
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 22, 2015 07:27 PM (bZ7mE)
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>>Looking at the 2012 exit data, I'm really starting to think that '08 was not a fluke and that for now at least, it's going to be damned near impossible for the R's to win a presidential election without pulling in a lot of dissatisfied people who are non-voters... and I don't know how to craft a strategy to pull in people who purposely ignore politics and everything about it.
I don't agree. Whether the msm admits is or not, the liberals have taken the Dem party way further left than in their wildest dreams conservatives have moved the Republican party right. They have become a collection of special interest groups more than a party.
It's hard to believe but Bill Clinton won by being the head of a much more centrist DNC, Obama won by building his collection of BLM, transgender, illegal immigrant loving far left groups to take down the DNC.
There are a shitload of Dems who will leave the party or at least not vote for it and possibly against it if it goes to far left. Reagan showed the blueprint when Carter took the party, well not this far left but that direction. And oddly enough the world looks an awful lot like it did when Reagan beat Carter.
I don't agree. Whether the msm admits is or not, the liberals have taken the Dem party way further left than in their wildest dreams conservatives have moved the Republican party right. They have become a collection of special interest groups more than a party.
It's hard to believe but Bill Clinton won by being the head of a much more centrist DNC, Obama won by building his collection of BLM, transgender, illegal immigrant loving far left groups to take down the DNC.
There are a shitload of Dems who will leave the party or at least not vote for it and possibly against it if it goes to far left. Reagan showed the blueprint when Carter took the party, well not this far left but that direction. And oddly enough the world looks an awful lot like it did when Reagan beat Carter.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:27 PM (/tuJf)
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So that's gotta be a smallish number.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:24 PM (dciA+)
In New York?!?!
Balderdash.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:24 PM (dciA+)
In New York?!?!
Balderdash.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the Rain at December 22, 2015 07:28 PM (9d6yS)
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Hilary only ever took one schlong but she took it good and hard.
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But it doesn't sell with the electorate, the media, and the DC establishment we currently have.
They will never allow that message to be spread far and wide, and
they do everything they can to poison the well and to destroy the word
"conservative"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:24 PM (AkOaV)
The evidence is there, it is up to the candidate and the campaign to simply present the evidence.
They will never allow that message to be spread far and wide, and
they do everything they can to poison the well and to destroy the word
"conservative"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:24 PM (AkOaV)
The evidence is there, it is up to the candidate and the campaign to simply present the evidence.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:28 PM (5p18q)
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It won't be fun if Hillary gets a landslide because the polling was right all along.
I can understand Trump's support, but I would at least like his supporters to be honest that it could be an epic train wreck.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (A3kYV)
Oh, sure, it could. No argument from me on that point.
But I think Trump is the only R candidate who could possibly win by a landslide. I can't see anyone else doing that.
It won't be fun if Hillary gets a landslide because the polling was right all along.
I can understand Trump's support, but I would at least like his supporters to be honest that it could be an epic train wreck.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:12 PM (A3kYV)
Oh, sure, it could. No argument from me on that point.
But I think Trump is the only R candidate who could possibly win by a landslide. I can't see anyone else doing that.
Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2015 07:28 PM (sdi6R)
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yeah i think that's mostly real, too. There may be some "Shy Trump Voters" but they sure don't seem to shy when I meet them!
So that's gotta be a smallish number.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:24 PM (dciA+)
I don't think it's real.
And I don't mean faked polls, I mean the following:
the media has been attacking Trump full on and all out for months and months now. Throwing everything they have at him.
They haven't been going after other R's very hard, and have been using words like "reasonable" to describe Rubio (for example.)
If Rubio (for example) were to become the R nominee, that media honeymoon would end immediately and Rubio would be attacked just as hard as Trump.
And his numbers would drop immediately.
So it almost speaks better to Trump that even with a months long full-on media assault, he's still within striking distance of Hillary.
In other words, we may be looking at Trumps "bottom" and Rubios "top" in approve / disapprove numbers and how they'd match up with Hillary.
Just a thought though.
yeah i think that's mostly real, too. There may be some "Shy Trump Voters" but they sure don't seem to shy when I meet them!
So that's gotta be a smallish number.
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2015 07:24 PM (dciA+)
I don't think it's real.
And I don't mean faked polls, I mean the following:
the media has been attacking Trump full on and all out for months and months now. Throwing everything they have at him.
They haven't been going after other R's very hard, and have been using words like "reasonable" to describe Rubio (for example.)
If Rubio (for example) were to become the R nominee, that media honeymoon would end immediately and Rubio would be attacked just as hard as Trump.
And his numbers would drop immediately.
So it almost speaks better to Trump that even with a months long full-on media assault, he's still within striking distance of Hillary.
In other words, we may be looking at Trumps "bottom" and Rubios "top" in approve / disapprove numbers and how they'd match up with Hillary.
Just a thought though.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:28 PM (AkOaV)
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Late to thread because of other things.
So what is the sampling on this poll? And how many?
65% Demoncrat
10% Republican
25% Independent
And all the employees at Voice of America were asked?
So what is the sampling on this poll? And how many?
65% Demoncrat
10% Republican
25% Independent
And all the employees at Voice of America were asked?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 22, 2015 07:28 PM (B9up3)
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I thought his Christmas video was damn funny. And his movie quotes.
They were. But he's always aware of the camera, he's always "on". Wonder what he's like in a natural setting.
They were. But he's always aware of the camera, he's always "on". Wonder what he's like in a natural setting.
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2015 07:29 PM (RrDm2)
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Very nice post Ace.
I consider myself part of the upper mobile center-right whatever the fuck it's called. But I don't really give a fuck if someone calls me an idiot. Lower my fucking taxes, seal the border and you can call me an idiot 24/7/365 and I'll still vote for you.
It's retarded how vain people are when it comes to things that don't affect their lives at all. Palin calls you stupid. And? How does that affect your life at all? It doesn't.
I know a guy who was a Republican. But one of his senators said something about firefighters that was sort of an insult. His dad is a firefighter. The dude went balistic and said he'd never vote for said senator again. Did that insult hurt him or his dad? Fuck no. But you know, vanity and shit.
Ugh. People are fucking idiots.
I consider myself part of the upper mobile center-right whatever the fuck it's called. But I don't really give a fuck if someone calls me an idiot. Lower my fucking taxes, seal the border and you can call me an idiot 24/7/365 and I'll still vote for you.
It's retarded how vain people are when it comes to things that don't affect their lives at all. Palin calls you stupid. And? How does that affect your life at all? It doesn't.
I know a guy who was a Republican. But one of his senators said something about firefighters that was sort of an insult. His dad is a firefighter. The dude went balistic and said he'd never vote for said senator again. Did that insult hurt him or his dad? Fuck no. But you know, vanity and shit.
Ugh. People are fucking idiots.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 22, 2015 07:29 PM (zgNJq)
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Well I don't know about the GOP, but conservatives can absolutely win a general election, because the essential points that conservatives make - free individuals making decisions are better than government-run decisions, markets decide outcomes better than centrally planned bureaucracies - make their own case every time when some government agency bungles over and over.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:22 PM (5p18q)
But what can't get up, can't get out.
"Making decisions" isn't as easy or splashy as "preying on emotions". If we could count on rational decision making, we wouldn't be discussing Donald Trump in the same sentence with "serious presidential contender".
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:22 PM (5p18q)
But what can't get up, can't get out.
"Making decisions" isn't as easy or splashy as "preying on emotions". If we could count on rational decision making, we wouldn't be discussing Donald Trump in the same sentence with "serious presidential contender".
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:29 PM (cDs+4)
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308 ... Or smelly.
308 ... Or smelly.
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 07:29 PM (HgMAr)
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"The easy part for Trump is to win, but he'll have to decimate the GOPe and it's lackeys in both houses to govern."
There are so many things that a President Trump / Cruz can do without any support from Congress. I put up a starter list a few days ago. Obama has shown what a deliberate and willful President can do.
I think Cruz has the cojones to do this. I'm confident Trump does and he would rather be effectual and take the risk of being a one-termer.
I doubt Rubio would. Which is why he's a non-starter.
There are so many things that a President Trump / Cruz can do without any support from Congress. I put up a starter list a few days ago. Obama has shown what a deliberate and willful President can do.
I think Cruz has the cojones to do this. I'm confident Trump does and he would rather be effectual and take the risk of being a one-termer.
I doubt Rubio would. Which is why he's a non-starter.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 22, 2015 07:29 PM (r1fLd)
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There has not been a American in official office who gets less respect
from me than BHO
from me than BHO
Posted by: Skip at December 22, 2015 07:30 PM (k0xxN)
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"Conservatives can absolutely win a general election, because the
essential points that conservatives make - free individuals making
decisions are better than government-run decisions, markets decide
outcomes better than centrally planned bureaucracies - make their own
case every time when some government agency bungles over and over."
What complicates this true statement is that the GOPe is the flag-carrier for "conservative" in the eyes of many in the general electorate. That's why Cruz draws such hard negatives from people, particularly Dems - they don't see him for what he actually is but rather as "arch-GOP" - which to them means crony capitalism, bailouts, party of the rich, etc... They haven't seen a Republican (to them, conservative) who walked that talk in their lifetimes. Ted's being pulled down by the ruined brand he'd like to save and had nothing to do with ruining. Sad but true.
For that reason, conservatives can't win in the general because the general electorate has been fed a cartoon version of conservatism both by the Left and the sellouts and carpetbaggers on our side.
essential points that conservatives make - free individuals making
decisions are better than government-run decisions, markets decide
outcomes better than centrally planned bureaucracies - make their own
case every time when some government agency bungles over and over."
What complicates this true statement is that the GOPe is the flag-carrier for "conservative" in the eyes of many in the general electorate. That's why Cruz draws such hard negatives from people, particularly Dems - they don't see him for what he actually is but rather as "arch-GOP" - which to them means crony capitalism, bailouts, party of the rich, etc... They haven't seen a Republican (to them, conservative) who walked that talk in their lifetimes. Ted's being pulled down by the ruined brand he'd like to save and had nothing to do with ruining. Sad but true.
For that reason, conservatives can't win in the general because the general electorate has been fed a cartoon version of conservatism both by the Left and the sellouts and carpetbaggers on our side.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 22, 2015 07:30 PM (RtG9B)
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Ted's too market-orthodox to appeal to Dems and is literally toxic to them, whereas Trump's won over a number of strong Dems, even Hillary Dems, I know here in the People's Republic of CA.
Our other prospective coalition partners, the Libertarians, don't seem enamored of Cruz and sure as hell don't have the numbers compared to working class, culturally sane Democrats, particularly non-college Whites.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame
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I would agree with this,I just don't see who Cruz draws in besides people that were already voting Republican.
I also don't buy into the idea that a bunch of conservatives sat out the last two Presidential elections.
Ted's too market-orthodox to appeal to Dems and is literally toxic to them, whereas Trump's won over a number of strong Dems, even Hillary Dems, I know here in the People's Republic of CA.
Our other prospective coalition partners, the Libertarians, don't seem enamored of Cruz and sure as hell don't have the numbers compared to working class, culturally sane Democrats, particularly non-college Whites.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame
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I would agree with this,I just don't see who Cruz draws in besides people that were already voting Republican.
I also don't buy into the idea that a bunch of conservatives sat out the last two Presidential elections.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:30 PM (A3kYV)
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Trump is a crude, tacky, over-the-top jackass, in
love with money, honies, and himself. And, well, we ARE that sort of a
nation. In some ways, he's the representative apotheosis of the sturdy
but low qualities that made this nation great once. Who knows? Maybe we
need this.
Posted by: Kaspar Gutman at December 22, 2015 07:19 PM
As usual the media will decide the outcome. For better or worse, Trump is the sort guy that can be mauled by the media and still come out ok. I have a feeling that the media don't know what to do with him. The worse they paint him, the better the jackass X-factor. He could be president "fuck, yeah!"
love with money, honies, and himself. And, well, we ARE that sort of a
nation. In some ways, he's the representative apotheosis of the sturdy
but low qualities that made this nation great once. Who knows? Maybe we
need this.
Posted by: Kaspar Gutman at December 22, 2015 07:19 PM
As usual the media will decide the outcome. For better or worse, Trump is the sort guy that can be mauled by the media and still come out ok. I have a feeling that the media don't know what to do with him. The worse they paint him, the better the jackass X-factor. He could be president "fuck, yeah!"
Posted by: otho at December 22, 2015 07:30 PM (EWg9n)
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And oddly enough the world looks an awful lot like it did when Reagan beat Carter.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:27 PM (/tuJf)
The Electorate ..... not so much.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:27 PM (/tuJf)
The Electorate ..... not so much.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the Rain at December 22, 2015 07:30 PM (9d6yS)
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I like Cruz, but the knives will come out like crazy for him. Just ponder how Fox and the MSM and everyone that could, blamed the Government shutdown ..... on him. No,.... he is hated in DC. He is hated in NY. He doesn't come across as sincere or folksy as say Trump does. He'd be great as the senior Senator from Texas or put him on the Supreme court. If Trumps' VP for 8 years, he'd be good to go. If Cruz is the nominee.... I fear he would not be able to overcome the shitstorm that would be brought to bear against him.
Posted by: Yip at December 22, 2015 07:30 PM (e7T6D)
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The evidence is there, it is up to the candidate and the campaign to simply present the evidence.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:28 PM (5p18q)
If a tree falls in the woods and no one's there, does that mean the media will cover a Republican in any way that makes it look like he's advancing a libertarian or conservative agenda?
And unless youre an obnoxiously loud billionaire & reality TV star or otherwise have a way to go around the media, how do you get past that?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:28 PM (5p18q)
If a tree falls in the woods and no one's there, does that mean the media will cover a Republican in any way that makes it look like he's advancing a libertarian or conservative agenda?
And unless youre an obnoxiously loud billionaire & reality TV star or otherwise have a way to go around the media, how do you get past that?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:30 PM (AkOaV)
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Asking such a question proves this is a push poll. Further, they found Cruz higher than any of the nine other recent polls so therefore, it's not only a outlier, but the "embarrassed" part cannot be taken seriously since the Cruz numbers are so fake. Completely and utterly fake. If they can't get Cruz's numbers right, then they obviously cannot get the "embarrassed" numbers right.
Reuters came out a few hours after this poll and was more in line with other polls showing Cruz DROPPING in support and Trump way ahead: Trump at 36.7% and Cruz at 11%.
Read twitter's mitchellvii for really good analysis.
All this "embarrassed" talk is so much "concern" to me. Fox did a push poll this week too asking if Trump is a "sideshow". The poll questions are what is "embarrassing"!
Reuters came out a few hours after this poll and was more in line with other polls showing Cruz DROPPING in support and Trump way ahead: Trump at 36.7% and Cruz at 11%.
Read twitter's mitchellvii for really good analysis.
All this "embarrassed" talk is so much "concern" to me. Fox did a push poll this week too asking if Trump is a "sideshow". The poll questions are what is "embarrassing"!
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 22, 2015 07:30 PM (xetep)
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2015 07:31 PM (RrDm2)
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:31 PM (Uk9e2)
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They would be embarrassed by President Trump, but they're not embarrassed by the Mocha Mediocrity and his retinue of Communists, perverts, thieves, fuckups, and assorted ne'er-do-wells? Really?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 22, 2015 07:31 PM (oKE6c)
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Embarrassed? Sure. If he turns the non-Joo part of the Middle East into a glass parking lot, then I can live with the embarrassment.
Embarrassed? Sure. If he turns the non-Joo part of the Middle East into a glass parking lot, then I can live with the embarrassment.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 22, 2015 07:31 PM (uRmWf)
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It's hard to believe but Bill Clinton won by being the head of a much more centrist DNC, Obama won by building his collection of BLM, transgender, illegal immigrant loving far left groups to take down the DNC.
There are a shitload of Dems who will leave the party or at least not vote for it and possibly against it if it goes to far left. Reagan showed the blueprint when Carter took the party, well not this far left but that direction. And oddly enough the world looks an awful lot like it did when Reagan beat Carter.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:27 PM (/tuJf)
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Those Dems have already left. The Democrat party today consists of people who are far left. There are no more centrist Democrats.
And you have to remember Democrats are never leftist in the MSM. It's always far right wing Republican and Democrat. So to the LIV, Democrats are just centrists while Republicans are the extremists. And since they are LIVs, they by definition have no clue what reality is.
There are a shitload of Dems who will leave the party or at least not vote for it and possibly against it if it goes to far left. Reagan showed the blueprint when Carter took the party, well not this far left but that direction. And oddly enough the world looks an awful lot like it did when Reagan beat Carter.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:27 PM (/tuJf)
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Those Dems have already left. The Democrat party today consists of people who are far left. There are no more centrist Democrats.
And you have to remember Democrats are never leftist in the MSM. It's always far right wing Republican and Democrat. So to the LIV, Democrats are just centrists while Republicans are the extremists. And since they are LIVs, they by definition have no clue what reality is.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 22, 2015 07:32 PM (zgNJq)
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I think chem nailed it down @ 249.
Now is the time to put the closest thing to a true conservative in the WH. But, he'll have to actually kick some ass & take names when he gets there to get any mileage out of it. Leave the bubble gum at home.
This election is ours for the taking. But, the Stupid Party will probably figure out a way to F it up...
Look, the only reason the left is backing Unelectable Hillary! at this point is because it was her turn. Appeasement. They know they're going to lose this one. Hence, Biden opting out instead of going through a huge, embarrassing rigamaroll (sp? is it even a word?).
Now is the time to put the closest thing to a true conservative in the WH. But, he'll have to actually kick some ass & take names when he gets there to get any mileage out of it. Leave the bubble gum at home.
This election is ours for the taking. But, the Stupid Party will probably figure out a way to F it up...
Look, the only reason the left is backing Unelectable Hillary! at this point is because it was her turn. Appeasement. They know they're going to lose this one. Hence, Biden opting out instead of going through a huge, embarrassing rigamaroll (sp? is it even a word?).
Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 22, 2015 07:32 PM (mUsVF)
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So ace, if you're still here, why were you insulted by that statement of Trumps that cop killers should get the death penalty?
I and a helluva lot of other people support that 100%.
I and a helluva lot of other people support that 100%.
Posted by: Blano at December 22, 2015 07:32 PM (heN73)
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:33 PM (Uk9e2)
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:33 PM (Z/8dZ)
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But I think Trump is the only R candidate who could possibly win by a landslide. I can't see anyone else doing that.
Posted by: rickl
I think someone running on Trump's message could win a landslide if the messenger wasn't so bipolar.
90% of Trump's appeal is his stance on immigration and trade.
Posted by: rickl
I think someone running on Trump's message could win a landslide if the messenger wasn't so bipolar.
90% of Trump's appeal is his stance on immigration and trade.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:33 PM (A3kYV)
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There are so many things that a President Trump / Cruz can do without any support from Congress. I put up a starter list a few days ago. Obama has shown what a deliberate and willful President can do.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 22, 2015 07:29 PM
Obama has shown what a president can do when there is no opposition party, and the MSM is in his back pocket.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 22, 2015 07:29 PM
Obama has shown what a president can do when there is no opposition party, and the MSM is in his back pocket.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 22, 2015 07:33 PM (60Vyp)
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Gosh, I've learned so much in the last few hours. Had to look up "schlonged" which then led me to "bismarked". My goodness, there is a whole world out there I've never experienced. So much to do, and so little time.
Posted by: steve walsh at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (GWY0H)
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Point taken. Palin would have gone there in 2008, but got overruled.
If I'm running for office, I'll be damned if some little GOPe puke is going to tell me what I can and cannot say about the person I'm trying to beat.
And another thing: we haven't had a truly conservative candidate in a long time. Those same GOPe pukes are too scared to try to present a different vision for the country than the leftards/MFM's version. It's not like they've been able to win doing their weak-assed pablum candidate shtick. Why not go bold? Tap into that Silenced Majority.
If I'm running for office, I'll be damned if some little GOPe puke is going to tell me what I can and cannot say about the person I'm trying to beat.
And another thing: we haven't had a truly conservative candidate in a long time. Those same GOPe pukes are too scared to try to present a different vision for the country than the leftards/MFM's version. It's not like they've been able to win doing their weak-assed pablum candidate shtick. Why not go bold? Tap into that Silenced Majority.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (LUgeY)
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Embarrassed? Sure. If he turns the non-Joo part of the Middle East into a glass parking lot, then I can live with the embarrassment.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 22, 2015 07:31 PM (uRmWf)
Awww...you read my mind...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 22, 2015 07:31 PM (uRmWf)
Awww...you read my mind...
Posted by: antisocialist at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (cDs+4)
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There are a shitload of Dems who will leave the party or at least not vote for it and possibly against it if it goes to far left. Reagan showed the blueprint when Carter took the party, well not this far left but that direction. And oddly enough the world looks an awful lot like it did when Reagan beat Carter.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:27 PM (/tuJf)
I don't think that's any longer true.
I think Obamas campaign team (Plouffe, maybe? Doesnt mater who) was right when he said "truthfully, there is no "middle" in american politics. Every election is about base turnout."
And I think that the Dem party has always been leftist, but they felt they had to appeal to white middle class blue collar workers or whatever. Then they realized, fuck it -- we don't need them and they're not reliable voters anyways.
So they're doing what their base wants, which is tack hard to the left.
And the LIVs will follow along, they don't pay close enough attention to know what's going on and they trust the media. So if the D base is game, and the media is game... i don't see how it hurts them.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:27 PM (/tuJf)
I don't think that's any longer true.
I think Obamas campaign team (Plouffe, maybe? Doesnt mater who) was right when he said "truthfully, there is no "middle" in american politics. Every election is about base turnout."
And I think that the Dem party has always been leftist, but they felt they had to appeal to white middle class blue collar workers or whatever. Then they realized, fuck it -- we don't need them and they're not reliable voters anyways.
So they're doing what their base wants, which is tack hard to the left.
And the LIVs will follow along, they don't pay close enough attention to know what's going on and they trust the media. So if the D base is game, and the media is game... i don't see how it hurts them.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (AkOaV)
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yeah, it seems 25% is a floor for Trump, not a ceiling as the FOX Trump haters kept telling us. BUT, the schlong was a mistake I think, and he (as Ace noted) at least stop insulting some voters that he will need.
One guy that was a top dog for decades in Louisiana politics (long before I knew anything about politics) told me (I think it was when David Duke was running) that one can't drive away a whole class of voters (like blacks in Duke's case, especially in LA) and still win. This is part of why politicians equivocate so much, I suppose.
Trump could maybe back out of this a little ... "well I apologize to Hillary if she was offended, but it was Obama that did that to her". Then he could go into how Team Obama actually did attack her "womanhood", and then she shed a tear. I forget now the details of their attack, but it was effective.
But Trump doesn't do even those "sorry you were offended" kind of apologies. He still has momentum and fans, but so much hate against him. So maybe Cruz comes on strong, warms up to the crowds more, and he starts WOWing some billionaires so they throw money at the cause.
One guy that was a top dog for decades in Louisiana politics (long before I knew anything about politics) told me (I think it was when David Duke was running) that one can't drive away a whole class of voters (like blacks in Duke's case, especially in LA) and still win. This is part of why politicians equivocate so much, I suppose.
Trump could maybe back out of this a little ... "well I apologize to Hillary if she was offended, but it was Obama that did that to her". Then he could go into how Team Obama actually did attack her "womanhood", and then she shed a tear. I forget now the details of their attack, but it was effective.
But Trump doesn't do even those "sorry you were offended" kind of apologies. He still has momentum and fans, but so much hate against him. So maybe Cruz comes on strong, warms up to the crowds more, and he starts WOWing some billionaires so they throw money at the cause.
Posted by: Illiniwek at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (5Gpe2)
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And unless youre an obnoxiously loud billionaire
reality TV star or otherwise have a way to go around the media,
how do you get past that?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:30 PM (AkOaV)
We get an obnoxiously loud billionaire conservative instead. Or not. Just someone who can communicate WHY these disasters occur and to point out that no, "capitalism" is not to blame, "the rich" are not to blame, "the 1%" are not to blame, but it's the government overreach and overcontrol of the economy that is to blame.
I think Carly comes closest to that when she makes the point that big government actually empowers big business because they get in bed together. We need a campaign like THAT.
reality TV star or otherwise have a way to go around the media,
how do you get past that?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:30 PM (AkOaV)
We get an obnoxiously loud billionaire conservative instead. Or not. Just someone who can communicate WHY these disasters occur and to point out that no, "capitalism" is not to blame, "the rich" are not to blame, "the 1%" are not to blame, but it's the government overreach and overcontrol of the economy that is to blame.
I think Carly comes closest to that when she makes the point that big government actually empowers big business because they get in bed together. We need a campaign like THAT.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (5p18q)
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I would very much like to participate in that push pull.
Posted by: Sandra Flook at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (Dwehj)
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"I would agree with this,I just don't see who Cruz draws in besides people that were already voting Republican.
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That's actually an argument I've used for Trump vs. Cruz re: the general election. Ted's great at preaching to the converted but if you're not TruCon already, you probably think he's the Devil. Not a problem of his making but one he has to recognize. In Ted's shoes I'd play the long game, get a position where he can show what he's really about, and build from there. 2016 is not his year. Not yet, not likely for a long time.
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That's actually an argument I've used for Trump vs. Cruz re: the general election. Ted's great at preaching to the converted but if you're not TruCon already, you probably think he's the Devil. Not a problem of his making but one he has to recognize. In Ted's shoes I'd play the long game, get a position where he can show what he's really about, and build from there. 2016 is not his year. Not yet, not likely for a long time.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 22, 2015 07:35 PM (RtG9B)
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I wonder if Hilly's bathroom jaunt was like one a neighbor's wife told of some years ago. She was at a local mall, alone in one of the stalls in a giant restroom there. These two old biddies, yacking all the time, came in, and were oblivious to her presence.
They were just yacking all the time, going 90 miles an hour, and both entered stalls. They plopped down on the throne, still yacking away at each other. All of the sudden, one lets out a sound that reverberates all through the bathroom. You know the acoustics of a large bathroom. Low ceiling, but large in width and lots of hard surfaces.
The other old biddy in mid yack, yack, says, "oooooh weeee, you really *did* have to go!" and then goes back to yacking.
The neighbor's wife says it was all she could do not to laugh out loud, and thought she was going to die trying to hold in her laughter.
They were just yacking all the time, going 90 miles an hour, and both entered stalls. They plopped down on the throne, still yacking away at each other. All of the sudden, one lets out a sound that reverberates all through the bathroom. You know the acoustics of a large bathroom. Low ceiling, but large in width and lots of hard surfaces.
The other old biddy in mid yack, yack, says, "oooooh weeee, you really *did* have to go!" and then goes back to yacking.
The neighbor's wife says it was all she could do not to laugh out loud, and thought she was going to die trying to hold in her laughter.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 22, 2015 07:35 PM (dvuhZ)
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The major major problem we have is not Trump but the fact that we can't defeat hillary clinton on her own record.
I mean, why isn't that we don't have the political juice to destroy hillary clinton with all the ammo she has provided for the last 25 years? Hillary Clinton should be easy to beat no matter who runs against her. It says a lot about the current state of the Right in the USA that's it's nearly impossible, barring the "perfect candidate," to defeat awful evil people such as obama and clinton. Does the Right have so little to offer the people today?
The major major problem we have is not Trump but the fact that we can't defeat hillary clinton on her own record.
I mean, why isn't that we don't have the political juice to destroy hillary clinton with all the ammo she has provided for the last 25 years? Hillary Clinton should be easy to beat no matter who runs against her. It says a lot about the current state of the Right in the USA that's it's nearly impossible, barring the "perfect candidate," to defeat awful evil people such as obama and clinton. Does the Right have so little to offer the people today?
Posted by: 270000 admirals and generals at December 22, 2015 07:35 PM (rHiI3)
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That Trump has 25 percent of any group should indicate that these may be are not normal times...and these are assuredly NOT normal times.
The left, above AlL else, seeks to control the language of any discussion and the left MUST win this battle with Trump , or Cruz or ? ....NO one will be allowed to call the feeble minded and bodied , drunk, profane, scheming, criminally- entitled Granny anything but what THEY, the left, allow her to be called.
Trump will attack that Hill( pardon the pun) relentlessly because he has no choice. Victory can only be his if he can call her and her actions what she is and what they are ....and she and the media know that as well.
Don't think the science that Ace references about group behavior will adequately explain where we are now and where we are headed.
These are not normal times.
The left, above AlL else, seeks to control the language of any discussion and the left MUST win this battle with Trump , or Cruz or ? ....NO one will be allowed to call the feeble minded and bodied , drunk, profane, scheming, criminally- entitled Granny anything but what THEY, the left, allow her to be called.
Trump will attack that Hill( pardon the pun) relentlessly because he has no choice. Victory can only be his if he can call her and her actions what she is and what they are ....and she and the media know that as well.
Don't think the science that Ace references about group behavior will adequately explain where we are now and where we are headed.
These are not normal times.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at December 22, 2015 07:35 PM (3ZttN)
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I like what Trump said to Madoff, "I can lose money all by myself."
Posted by: DM at December 22, 2015 07:35 PM (j/tOh)
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You should be able to run a fucking chimp against Hillary Clinton and win.
You should be able to run a fucking chimp against Hillary Clinton and win.
Posted by: 270000 admirals and generals at December 22, 2015 07:36 PM (rHiI3)
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Yep J.J. Sefton.
One can live through being embarrassed.
Being beheaded or nuked, no.
Goes back to Machiavelli. No one in the world is fearful of Gaylord and his #hastags of flaccid diplomacy.
One can live through being embarrassed.
Being beheaded or nuked, no.
Goes back to Machiavelli. No one in the world is fearful of Gaylord and his #hastags of flaccid diplomacy.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 22, 2015 07:36 PM (B9up3)
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Yep, I am now. What's up?
IIRC, you said a couple weeks back that you had endometriosis. My sisters both had it, but we found a doctor who can pretty much fix it permanently. I Think he is the only one who can do it.
ww.centerforendo.com
Took me awhile to remember to get the contact info from my Mom.
IIRC, you said a couple weeks back that you had endometriosis. My sisters both had it, but we found a doctor who can pretty much fix it permanently. I Think he is the only one who can do it.
ww.centerforendo.com
Took me awhile to remember to get the contact info from my Mom.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 22, 2015 07:36 PM (bZ7mE)
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337 So ace, if you're still here, why were you insulted by that statement of Trumps that cop killers should get the death penalty?
I and a helluva lot of other people support that 100%.
Posted by: Blano at December 22, 2015 07:32 PM (heN73)
Not to answer for ace, but its a dumb statement since murder is a state crime and states set the penalties for murder.
It shows someone with only a ... casual... understanding of our federalist system.
I and a helluva lot of other people support that 100%.
Posted by: Blano at December 22, 2015 07:32 PM (heN73)
Not to answer for ace, but its a dumb statement since murder is a state crime and states set the penalties for murder.
It shows someone with only a ... casual... understanding of our federalist system.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:36 PM (AkOaV)
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I think it's "rigamarole".
Posted by: wth at December 22, 2015 07:37 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: eman at December 22, 2015 07:37 PM (MQEz6)
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"I fear he would not be able to overcome the shitstorm that would be brought to bear against him."
There's a video from a few months ago where he has a Code Pink heckler come up to talk to him at one of his rallies. He manages her very, very well. His strength is debate.
His weakness is that I'm 99% sure he's autistic. That's not a bad thing when it comes to actually being president, IMO, but it does make reaching the idiots a harder prospect because he's not so good at turning off the Debatebot4000 persona.
I think he's still a better bet than Trump for winning the big prize, but that's my quibble as a supporter.
There's a video from a few months ago where he has a Code Pink heckler come up to talk to him at one of his rallies. He manages her very, very well. His strength is debate.
His weakness is that I'm 99% sure he's autistic. That's not a bad thing when it comes to actually being president, IMO, but it does make reaching the idiots a harder prospect because he's not so good at turning off the Debatebot4000 persona.
I think he's still a better bet than Trump for winning the big prize, but that's my quibble as a supporter.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:37 PM (Z/8dZ)
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eerrr... #hashtags
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 22, 2015 07:37 PM (B9up3)
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We watch ABC news local and national if the tv is still on. I do occasionally want to see just to see how they report stories like tonight. It gets so slanted to democrats it isn't funny. They lead with the Trump Schlong quote as if he called Hildabeast a flaming bitch. (I would've used something else but ..) Then had the every one hates Trump but only a third hate Hildabeast.
Posted by: Skip at December 22, 2015 07:37 PM (k0xxN)
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I think someone running on Trump's message could win a landslide if the messenger wasn't so bipolar.
That would be awesome. Please take that back to headquarters.
That would be awesome. Please take that back to headquarters.
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2015 07:37 PM (oFSUK)
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Yip @ 328
GW survived the shitstorm, and he was the dumbest man in Amercica.
Ted can and will survive it, and possibly be the smartest President ever. But yeah, I wish he had a little more, um, warmth? Guy next door? Less rehearsed, whatever. Personality. That's probably the word.
GW survived the shitstorm, and he was the dumbest man in Amercica.
Ted can and will survive it, and possibly be the smartest President ever. But yeah, I wish he had a little more, um, warmth? Guy next door? Less rehearsed, whatever. Personality. That's probably the word.
Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 22, 2015 07:38 PM (mUsVF)
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We get an obnoxiously loud billionaire conservative instead. Or not.
Posted by: chemjeff
Minna-san, today's oxymoron is "obnoxiously loud billionaire conservative."
Posted by: chemjeff
Minna-san, today's oxymoron is "obnoxiously loud billionaire conservative."
Posted by: weft cut-TESL instructor at December 22, 2015 07:39 PM (9YDUz)
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I think Carly comes closest to that when she makes the point that big government actually empowers big business because they get in bed together. We need a campaign like THAT.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (5p18q)
Carly and her message have been roundly ignored by the media since day one.
Which is my point.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (5p18q)
Carly and her message have been roundly ignored by the media since day one.
Which is my point.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:39 PM (AkOaV)
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That's actually an argument I've used for Trump vs. Cruz re: the general election. Ted's great at preaching to the converted but if you're not TruCon already, you probably think he's the Devil. Not a problem of his making but one he has to recognize. In Ted's shoes I'd play the long game, get a position where he can show what he's really about, and build from there. 2016 is not his year. Not yet, not likely for a long time.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame
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The entire thesis behind a Cruz nomination is that America is deeply conservative, but millions sit out election after election because Republicans are too liberal.
I've never met this voter.
I have met Democrats that think immigration has gotten out of control and want something done about it
That's actually an argument I've used for Trump vs. Cruz re: the general election. Ted's great at preaching to the converted but if you're not TruCon already, you probably think he's the Devil. Not a problem of his making but one he has to recognize. In Ted's shoes I'd play the long game, get a position where he can show what he's really about, and build from there. 2016 is not his year. Not yet, not likely for a long time.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame
__________
The entire thesis behind a Cruz nomination is that America is deeply conservative, but millions sit out election after election because Republicans are too liberal.
I've never met this voter.
I have met Democrats that think immigration has gotten out of control and want something done about it
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:39 PM (A3kYV)
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But, the bright side of autism...
He could not give less of a fuck about being invited to DC cocktail parties.
He could not give less of a fuck about being invited to DC cocktail parties.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:40 PM (Z/8dZ)
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So ace, if you're still here, why were you insulted by that statement of Trumps that cop killers should get the death penalty?
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Not speaking for ace, but a cop's life is no more valuable than a citizen's. Thus the penalty for killing one shouldn't be any greater.
It's as stupid an idea as 'hate crimes'
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Not speaking for ace, but a cop's life is no more valuable than a citizen's. Thus the penalty for killing one shouldn't be any greater.
It's as stupid an idea as 'hate crimes'
Posted by: Methos at December 22, 2015 07:40 PM (ZbV+0)
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Ever think of why the Democrat party has such a large field of candidates and the Republican field of candidates is so small?
Because the real polls and assessments are that things are going so swimmingly under eight years of Obama that there is no chance anybody will jump ship and vote for the opposing party.
That said, whoever is on top of current party line polls will have a more passionate base and opposition than the rest of the pack. As bottom tier candidates drop out and their votes shift those numbers will change, until there is but one candidate on either side.
Then everybody votes D because why risk all the wonderful gains Obama has made both domestic and foreign.
Because the real polls and assessments are that things are going so swimmingly under eight years of Obama that there is no chance anybody will jump ship and vote for the opposing party.
That said, whoever is on top of current party line polls will have a more passionate base and opposition than the rest of the pack. As bottom tier candidates drop out and their votes shift those numbers will change, until there is but one candidate on either side.
Then everybody votes D because why risk all the wonderful gains Obama has made both domestic and foreign.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 22, 2015 07:41 PM (T78UI)
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Who said Rubio? Project much? Rubio is looking like he's done.
[blah blah blah]
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (A3kYV)
Check. I'm putting you in a corner with the other silly people around here.
You'll have much to talk about, I'm sure.
[blah blah blah]
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:20 PM (A3kYV)
Check. I'm putting you in a corner with the other silly people around here.
You'll have much to talk about, I'm sure.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:41 PM (TOk1P)
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I've never met this voter.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:39 PM (A3kYV)
Oh, I have. I know plenty of libertarian / conservative types who don't vote because they think R's are squishy and full of shit.
But I doubt any of them will turn out for Cruz.
I've never met this voter.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:39 PM (A3kYV)
Oh, I have. I know plenty of libertarian / conservative types who don't vote because they think R's are squishy and full of shit.
But I doubt any of them will turn out for Cruz.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:42 PM (AkOaV)
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"Took me awhile to remember to get the contact info from my Mom."
Thank you! I will definitely look into that. I'm still in the happy PP time when I get a break from the evil curse, but that will come to an end soon so I'll be searching for a solution.
Thank you! I will definitely look into that. I'm still in the happy PP time when I get a break from the evil curse, but that will come to an end soon so I'll be searching for a solution.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:42 PM (Z/8dZ)
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>>Those Dems have already left. The Democrat party today consists of people who are far left. There are no more centrist Democrats.
Trump himself has been quoted in recent years as saying he identifies more as a Democrat.
Living in the northeast I am surrounded by Democrats. They haven't all left, not yet. But as Hillary goes further left some more may. And as I said, some may just not vote.
Hillary is nowhere near the politician Obama was. This cycle, it is Trump getting the Obama level of attention while the Dems are hiding Hillary by having debates on a Saturday night a week before Christmas. You think they did that because they are confident?
Trump himself has been quoted in recent years as saying he identifies more as a Democrat.
Living in the northeast I am surrounded by Democrats. They haven't all left, not yet. But as Hillary goes further left some more may. And as I said, some may just not vote.
Hillary is nowhere near the politician Obama was. This cycle, it is Trump getting the Obama level of attention while the Dems are hiding Hillary by having debates on a Saturday night a week before Christmas. You think they did that because they are confident?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:42 PM (/tuJf)
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I have met Democrats that think immigration has gotten out of control and want something done about it
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:39 PM (A3kYV)
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I have as well. And they all voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 and would vote for him again in 2016 if they could.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:39 PM (A3kYV)
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I have as well. And they all voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 and would vote for him again in 2016 if they could.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 22, 2015 07:42 PM (zgNJq)
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The key to winning an election is making a case not only for yourself but against your opponent.
Romney lost because he never made these cases to the people. People like shit like that. You know, having a reason to vote for someone. McCain, the same thing. Reagan made his case, you will recall and won big twice.
Trump is making a case, you have to admit. It's a bit unorthodox but he's giving people a reason to vote for him.
The key to winning an election is making a case not only for yourself but against your opponent.
Romney lost because he never made these cases to the people. People like shit like that. You know, having a reason to vote for someone. McCain, the same thing. Reagan made his case, you will recall and won big twice.
Trump is making a case, you have to admit. It's a bit unorthodox but he's giving people a reason to vote for him.
Posted by: 270000 admirals and generals at December 22, 2015 07:42 PM (rHiI3)
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Living in the northeast I am surrounded by Democrats. They haven't all left, not yet. But as Hillary goes further left some more may. And as I said, some may just not vote.
Hillary is nowhere near the politician Obama was. This cycle, it is Trump getting the Obama level of attention while the Dems are hiding Hillary by having debates on a Saturday night a week before Christmas. You think they did that because they are confident?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:42 PM (/tuJf)
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So you're saying the people who voted for Obama - fucking Obama - twice will look at Hillary and think....nahhh, she's too far left? Come on dude.
Hillary is nowhere near the politician Obama was. This cycle, it is Trump getting the Obama level of attention while the Dems are hiding Hillary by having debates on a Saturday night a week before Christmas. You think they did that because they are confident?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:42 PM (/tuJf)
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So you're saying the people who voted for Obama - fucking Obama - twice will look at Hillary and think....nahhh, she's too far left? Come on dude.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 22, 2015 07:43 PM (zgNJq)
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But, the bright side of autism...
He could not give less of a fuck about being invited to DC cocktail parties.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:40 PM (Z/8dZ)
Are we talking about Cruz here? Because, if so, his voting for TPA which was a de facto vote for TPP shows Cruz does, indeed, care about DC cocktail parties... Also, his agreeing to McConnell's mandate that he not endorse any challenger in the primaries in 2014 rather sealed the deal that while he often acts like he is anti-Establishment, he is comfortable with the status quo.
But, the bright side of autism...
He could not give less of a fuck about being invited to DC cocktail parties.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:40 PM (Z/8dZ)
Are we talking about Cruz here? Because, if so, his voting for TPA which was a de facto vote for TPP shows Cruz does, indeed, care about DC cocktail parties... Also, his agreeing to McConnell's mandate that he not endorse any challenger in the primaries in 2014 rather sealed the deal that while he often acts like he is anti-Establishment, he is comfortable with the status quo.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 22, 2015 07:43 PM (xetep)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2015 07:43 PM (9YDUz)
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Check. I'm putting you in a corner with the other silly people around here.
You'll have much to talk about, I'm sure.
Posted by: BurtTC
And you'll keep worshiping Donald Trump like the Left worships Obama.
Heaven forbid the idea be presented that Trump may lose and lose big
Check. I'm putting you in a corner with the other silly people around here.
You'll have much to talk about, I'm sure.
Posted by: BurtTC
And you'll keep worshiping Donald Trump like the Left worships Obama.
Heaven forbid the idea be presented that Trump may lose and lose big
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:44 PM (A3kYV)
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@364... yeah... GW survived by the skin of his teeth and was hobbled and then 9/11 where the media and the Democrats went out of their way to smother him. And he.... jammed through such squishy stuff .... big government shit... Ted Kennedy written stuff.. So frustrating. I'll never ever forgive what the Democrats did to him and what the media did to undermine the country during war. Never... and I'm not a huge GW fan at all.
Posted by: Yip at December 22, 2015 07:44 PM (e7T6D)
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"but a cop's life is no more valuable than a citizen's. Thus the penalty for killing one shouldn't be any greater."
Playing Devil's Advocate for a position I haven't thought much about....
I would say that there is a difference between killing a cop vs killing a random person because killing the cop is an attack on the rule of law. You kill some guy in a bar fight and the fabric of society stays pretty much intact. People start gunning down officers, and we have A Situation.
Playing Devil's Advocate for a position I haven't thought much about....
I would say that there is a difference between killing a cop vs killing a random person because killing the cop is an attack on the rule of law. You kill some guy in a bar fight and the fabric of society stays pretty much intact. People start gunning down officers, and we have A Situation.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:44 PM (Z/8dZ)
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Actually the scarier thing is not if Trump wins but what if he doesn't .
Trump is running as the most pro America nationalist we've seen in generations.
He's promising the middle class a fairer deal and and end to the crony capitalist corruption.
If a plurality cannot be convinced to vote for that regardless of the relative vulgarity of the messenger than the republic is truly lost.
Trump is running as the most pro America nationalist we've seen in generations.
He's promising the middle class a fairer deal and and end to the crony capitalist corruption.
If a plurality cannot be convinced to vote for that regardless of the relative vulgarity of the messenger than the republic is truly lost.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 22, 2015 07:44 PM (nl+lr)
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I think Carly comes closest to that when she makes
the point that big government actually empowers big business because
they get in bed together. We need a campaign like THAT.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (5p18q)
You may be right. As ugly as she is though, how do we get beyond her base?
You know, the monkey vote.
the point that big government actually empowers big business because
they get in bed together. We need a campaign like THAT.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:34 PM (5p18q)
You may be right. As ugly as she is though, how do we get beyond her base?
You know, the monkey vote.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:45 PM (TOk1P)
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So you're saying the people who voted for Obama - fucking Obama - twice will look at Hillary and think....nahhh, she's too far left? Come on dude.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew
Hillary will not lose because of ideology, she's more of a centrist than Obama. If Obama can garner 51% as a Leftist, she'll have no problem selling her vision
She MIGHT lose because people hate her guts on a personal level.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew
Hillary will not lose because of ideology, she's more of a centrist than Obama. If Obama can garner 51% as a Leftist, she'll have no problem selling her vision
She MIGHT lose because people hate her guts on a personal level.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:45 PM (A3kYV)
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One thing people on the right forget is that the majority of Democrats don't vote "D" because they love the Democrat party. They vote "D" because the Democrat party gives them free shit. And the best campaign in the world with the most articulate candidate sin't going to change that.
When 50% of the households in America are on some type of welfare, how do you win as a Republican? I just don't see how you can.
When 50% of the households in America are on some type of welfare, how do you win as a Republican? I just don't see how you can.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 22, 2015 07:46 PM (zgNJq)
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:46 PM (Uk9e2)
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PP in that context meaning postpartum, not planned parenthood. Just to avoid any confusion about me going to the darkside or something.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:46 PM (Z/8dZ)
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It shows someone with only a ... casual... understanding of our federalist system.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:36 PM (AkOaV)
Perhaps, but it doesn't mean it can't be done in a way that upholds said system.
That system is dead anyways. A few modifications might not hurt.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 07:36 PM (AkOaV)
Perhaps, but it doesn't mean it can't be done in a way that upholds said system.
That system is dead anyways. A few modifications might not hurt.
Posted by: Blano at December 22, 2015 07:47 PM (heN73)
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I'm just saying he needs to be cognizant of the psychology of human beings, and the fact that if you make someone feel like they are Less Than they think of themselves if they vote for you -- they won't vote for you.
I don't think he could be so good at his business if he wasn't attuned to human psychology. Perhaps he already has a pretty good idea of who won't be voting for him, and isn't wasting much time worrying about them. And perhaps the voters do have all the vanities you posit, but they're at a point where they don't feel they can afford them anymore. Would they prefer to be embarrassed with a job and a prostrate Islamic menace under President Trump, or proudly unemployed and sheltering in place under President Hillary Clinton?
I don't think he could be so good at his business if he wasn't attuned to human psychology. Perhaps he already has a pretty good idea of who won't be voting for him, and isn't wasting much time worrying about them. And perhaps the voters do have all the vanities you posit, but they're at a point where they don't feel they can afford them anymore. Would they prefer to be embarrassed with a job and a prostrate Islamic menace under President Trump, or proudly unemployed and sheltering in place under President Hillary Clinton?
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 22, 2015 07:47 PM (gjLib)
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If a plurality cannot be convinced to vote for that regardless of the
relative vulgarity of the messenger than the republic is truly lost. Yep. This. Interesting times. Pivot time. Gonna be very interesting.
relative vulgarity of the messenger than the republic is truly lost. Yep. This. Interesting times. Pivot time. Gonna be very interesting.
Posted by: Yip at December 22, 2015 07:47 PM (e7T6D)
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"90% of Trump's appeal is his stance on immigration and trade."
If the borders are not closed and the invaders repelled all else is secondary. There will be no America to save.
If the borders are not closed and the invaders repelled all else is secondary. There will be no America to save.
Posted by: gdonovan at December 22, 2015 07:47 PM (Ipxoj)
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Hillary will not lose because of ideology, she's more of a centrist than Obama. If Obama can garner 51% as a Leftist, she'll have no problem selling her vision
She MIGHT lose because people hate her guts on a personal level.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:45 PM (A3kYV)
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Do people hate her guts though? We do. But does the "common man"? I don't think so.
She MIGHT lose because people hate her guts on a personal level.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:45 PM (A3kYV)
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Do people hate her guts though? We do. But does the "common man"? I don't think so.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 22, 2015 07:47 PM (zgNJq)
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And you'll keep worshiping Donald Trump like the Left worships Obama.
Heaven forbid the idea be presented that Trump may lose and lose big
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:44 PM (A3kYV)
You, sir, are a goof. Not a very interesting goof. Certainly not an original goof. But a goof, nonetheless.
Heaven forbid the idea be presented that Trump may lose and lose big
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:44 PM (A3kYV)
You, sir, are a goof. Not a very interesting goof. Certainly not an original goof. But a goof, nonetheless.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:47 PM (TOk1P)
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The key to winning an election is making a case not only for yourself but against your opponent.
Romney lost because he never made these cases to the people. People like shit like that. You know, having a reason to vote for someone. McCain, the same thing. Reagan made his case, you will recall and won big twice.
++++++++++++++
The bigger problem is simply our electorate.
Had Romney had the same electorate Reagan had, it would have basically been the same landslide election.
At some point it's the voters fault.
See California for an example
Romney lost because he never made these cases to the people. People like shit like that. You know, having a reason to vote for someone. McCain, the same thing. Reagan made his case, you will recall and won big twice.
++++++++++++++
The bigger problem is simply our electorate.
Had Romney had the same electorate Reagan had, it would have basically been the same landslide election.
At some point it's the voters fault.
See California for an example
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:48 PM (A3kYV)
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If Trump is winning now because of the class that's embarrassed of him then now is not the time to ease up.
Posted by: DaveA at December 22, 2015 07:48 PM (DL2i+)
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"
She MIGHT lose because people hate her guts on a personal level."
She is personally repulsive in a way few politicians can achieve.
Of course, right now people are flirting with Bernie Sanders to avoid having to support her. Once he's gone, it will be interesting to see what they do. Maybe they'll say they'll vote for her for social standing, but won't actually follow through.
She MIGHT lose because people hate her guts on a personal level."
She is personally repulsive in a way few politicians can achieve.
Of course, right now people are flirting with Bernie Sanders to avoid having to support her. Once he's gone, it will be interesting to see what they do. Maybe they'll say they'll vote for her for social standing, but won't actually follow through.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:48 PM (Z/8dZ)
398
Well I don't know about the GOP, but conservatives can absolutely win a general election
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Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 22, 2015 07:49 PM (F+xWX)
399
Still inferior to fish tacos with guacamole.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2015 07:43 PM (9YDUz)
So I'm guessing the fish tacos were good?
Still inferior to fish tacos with guacamole.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2015 07:43 PM (9YDUz)
So I'm guessing the fish tacos were good?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:49 PM (5p18q)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 22, 2015 07:49 PM (erRNA)
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Hillary will not lose because of ideology, she's more of a centrist than Obama. If Obama can garner 51% as a Leftist, she'll have no problem selling her vision
She MIGHT lose because people hate her guts on a personal level.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:45 PM (A3kYV)
Hillary a centrist? Good God Tom, stick to throwing leather spheres.
She MIGHT lose because people hate her guts on a personal level.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:45 PM (A3kYV)
Hillary a centrist? Good God Tom, stick to throwing leather spheres.
Posted by: Blano at December 22, 2015 07:49 PM (heN73)
402
You, sir, are a goof. Not a very interesting goof. Certainly not an original goof. But a goof, nonetheless.
Posted by: BurtTC
Because I said Trump might lose? Did that hurt your feelings and ruin your fantasy?
You mad bro?
Posted by: BurtTC
Because I said Trump might lose? Did that hurt your feelings and ruin your fantasy?
You mad bro?
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:49 PM (A3kYV)
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Ok, it's all fun and good to support and agree with Trump as he speaks truth to power, but I truly wonder what all those folks will do when they arrive in the voting booth and have to pull the lever for a candidate - bluff and bluster and profanity directed at the opponent won't matter so much then.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: steve walsh at December 22, 2015 07:50 PM (GWY0H)
404
Hillary a centrist? Good God Tom, stick to throwing leather spheres.
Posted by: Blano at December 22, 2015 07:49 PM (heN73)
I was guessing Jan.
Posted by: Blano at December 22, 2015 07:49 PM (heN73)
I was guessing Jan.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:50 PM (TOk1P)
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Hillary a centrist? Good God Tom, stick to throwing leather spheres.
Posted by: Blano
The Clintons seem awfully centrist after 8 years of Obama.
No one is going to say no to Hillary for being too liberal if they said yes to Obama.
Posted by: Blano
The Clintons seem awfully centrist after 8 years of Obama.
No one is going to say no to Hillary for being too liberal if they said yes to Obama.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:50 PM (A3kYV)
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Because I said Trump might lose? Did that hurt your feelings and ruin your fantasy?
You mad bro?
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:49 PM (A3kYV)
Goof.
You mad bro?
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:49 PM (A3kYV)
Goof.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:51 PM (TOk1P)
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"Do people hate her guts though? We do. But does the "common man"? I don't think so."
Yes.
Young feminists hate her because she hung with Bill after his affairs. That is SO not intersectional, yo.
Working class men hate her because she reminds them of either a) their bitchy ex wife or b) their bitchy mother in law.
Middle class men hate her because she reminds them of their bitchy HR rep/incompetent female boss.
Her only true constituency is Old White Women who see her as "one of them". Retired High School Counselors of the world.
Yes.
Young feminists hate her because she hung with Bill after his affairs. That is SO not intersectional, yo.
Working class men hate her because she reminds them of either a) their bitchy ex wife or b) their bitchy mother in law.
Middle class men hate her because she reminds them of their bitchy HR rep/incompetent female boss.
Her only true constituency is Old White Women who see her as "one of them". Retired High School Counselors of the world.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:51 PM (Z/8dZ)
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She MIGHT lose because people hate her guts on a personal level.
I have a feeling one could NOT vote for Hillary without being expelled from one's leftist cliques. Some of them would understand. It wouldn't be the unconscionable offense that not supporting Il Douche would have been.
I have a feeling one could NOT vote for Hillary without being expelled from one's leftist cliques. Some of them would understand. It wouldn't be the unconscionable offense that not supporting Il Douche would have been.
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2015 07:51 PM (oFSUK)
409
Trump may not be your liking, his style my put you off, but the real measure of a man and a President is results.
Will Trump start what needs to be started or will he just be a useless phony?
No one knows.
I think we need to find out and there s only one way to do it.
Will Trump start what needs to be started or will he just be a useless phony?
No one knows.
I think we need to find out and there s only one way to do it.
Posted by: eman at December 22, 2015 07:52 PM (MQEz6)
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>>So you're saying the people who voted for Obama - fucking Obama - twice will look at Hillary and think....nahhh, she's too far left? Come on dude.
Maybe you haven't noticed but Obama's policies aren't exactly popular these days. He's at the lowest point of his presidency on just about everything, and Hillary is promising to double down on his policies.
We are at 40 year lows in the labor participation rate. and that is showing no signs of changing. Obama's leading from behind passive bullshit is coming home to roost on foreign policy and it is far more likely than not we will get hit again here before the election.
If you recall, Obama did everything he could to make the impact of Obamacare not be felt until after his re-election. Guess what? People hate it more than ever and just about all of the exchanges are going tits up.
We aren't the only people seeing this. A lot of those guys who are out of work are coal miners and other union trades, cashiered by liberal policies. And Hillary has all the personal charisma of road kill.
So yea, I think there is a good potential for a lot more to either defect of just sit this one out.
Maybe you haven't noticed but Obama's policies aren't exactly popular these days. He's at the lowest point of his presidency on just about everything, and Hillary is promising to double down on his policies.
We are at 40 year lows in the labor participation rate. and that is showing no signs of changing. Obama's leading from behind passive bullshit is coming home to roost on foreign policy and it is far more likely than not we will get hit again here before the election.
If you recall, Obama did everything he could to make the impact of Obamacare not be felt until after his re-election. Guess what? People hate it more than ever and just about all of the exchanges are going tits up.
We aren't the only people seeing this. A lot of those guys who are out of work are coal miners and other union trades, cashiered by liberal policies. And Hillary has all the personal charisma of road kill.
So yea, I think there is a good potential for a lot more to either defect of just sit this one out.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2015 07:52 PM (/tuJf)
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It's not all locked votes for the D/R bases. Mostly, yeah.... but not all. I think some of you are overestimating the thinking part of the electorate, even the free shit part. I suspect that Trump can actually get a %age of those who identify as "D". If for no other reason than the age of the LIV. It won't be a big %age... but it may be enough to do damage. Don't discount the "personality vote", when people are alone in the booth.
Posted by: otho at December 22, 2015 07:52 PM (EWg9n)
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"But Palin's base was already locked down. They would crawl over broken glass for her"
You misspelled;
"They would eat a mile of her sweet crude to see the pipeline it came from"
You misspelled;
"They would eat a mile of her sweet crude to see the pipeline it came from"
Posted by: Modgi at December 22, 2015 07:52 PM (4I6j/)
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I would say that there is a difference between killing a cop vs killing a
random person because killing the cop is an attack on the rule of law.
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Yeah, no. I can't support any policy that allows government to think of itself as more important than us. If someone decides that "the rule of law" needs to be attacked, we should be paying attention to why, not mindlessly falling in line behind the king. If engaging the cops is just a matter of random criminality, well, the cops are adequately equipped to defend themselves.
random person because killing the cop is an attack on the rule of law.
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Yeah, no. I can't support any policy that allows government to think of itself as more important than us. If someone decides that "the rule of law" needs to be attacked, we should be paying attention to why, not mindlessly falling in line behind the king. If engaging the cops is just a matter of random criminality, well, the cops are adequately equipped to defend themselves.
Posted by: Methos at December 22, 2015 07:53 PM (ZbV+0)
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f bombs are commonplace even in DC wine bars
embarrasment will fade if you present it as a reasonable trade off for leadership
enough with the vapors already
embarrasment will fade if you present it as a reasonable trade off for leadership
enough with the vapors already
Posted by: Feh at December 22, 2015 07:53 PM (Uk9e2)
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"Don't discount the "personality vote", when people are alone in the booth."
Or those who just want to see him say "you're fired" to everyone in DC.
Or those who just want to see him say "you're fired" to everyone in DC.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:54 PM (Z/8dZ)
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The Clintons seem awfully centrist after 8 years of Obama.
No one is going to say no to Hillary for being too liberal if they said yes to Obama.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:50 PM (A3kYV)
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Exactly. She's no farther left than Obama (if that is even possible). So if Obama can win twice she can as well. People who think the Obama 52% will wake up one day and say holy fuck that Hillary is too far left for me are dreaming.
No one is going to say no to Hillary for being too liberal if they said yes to Obama.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 07:50 PM (A3kYV)
____
Exactly. She's no farther left than Obama (if that is even possible). So if Obama can win twice she can as well. People who think the Obama 52% will wake up one day and say holy fuck that Hillary is too far left for me are dreaming.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 22, 2015 07:54 PM (zgNJq)
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PP in that context meaning postpartum, not planned parenthood. Just to avoid any confusion about me going to the darkside or something.
Heh. I didn't actually know what you meant, but knew it couldn't meant planned parenthood in context.
Heh. I didn't actually know what you meant, but knew it couldn't meant planned parenthood in context.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 22, 2015 07:54 PM (bZ7mE)
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252 @191 Feh... I picked up on this too. Trump bashing on Hillary is pushing on that bruise with the Democrats.... that Hillary has been anointed.... despite Bernie drawing huge crowds of spittled socialists... the media is desperately trying to send the message that it's a done deal and that there should be no questions about Hillary's background or fitness to serve. Trump is mashing that up but good.
Posted by: Yip at December 22, 2015 07:16 PM (e7T6D)
If Bernie weren't a hobby horse socialist, basically the Democrat version of the libertarian, who virtue signals by sneering at the sheep in the (now defunct) 2 party system,
and was really serious about herding the country into socialism instead of a weak schlub-
he go hard independent and try to make it a real 3 way race.
He probably wouldn't win being about as appealing as Jeb! in person but Hillary! is so awful-
he just might scoop up the Dim vote.
Worth a shot anyway at his age.
But, noop.
well, being a "socialist" probably got him laid a lot in college and with foolish Dim hausfraus so good for him.
Posted by: Yip at December 22, 2015 07:16 PM (e7T6D)
If Bernie weren't a hobby horse socialist, basically the Democrat version of the libertarian, who virtue signals by sneering at the sheep in the (now defunct) 2 party system,
and was really serious about herding the country into socialism instead of a weak schlub-
he go hard independent and try to make it a real 3 way race.
He probably wouldn't win being about as appealing as Jeb! in person but Hillary! is so awful-
he just might scoop up the Dim vote.
Worth a shot anyway at his age.
But, noop.
well, being a "socialist" probably got him laid a lot in college and with foolish Dim hausfraus so good for him.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 22, 2015 07:54 PM (0cMkb)
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Fish tacos are a crime. Unless it's shitty fish, then you might as well make chicken fajitas
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 22, 2015 07:55 PM (voOPb)
420
Obama won by building his collection of BLM, transgender, illegal immigrant loving far left groups to take down the DNC.
Posted by: JackStraw
Hey!
Posted by: Rich Lowry - Live from the National Review CPAC Mattress Room
Obama won by building his collection of BLM, transgender, illegal immigrant loving far left groups to take down the DNC.
Posted by: JackStraw
Hey!
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Posted by: Methos at December 22, 2015 07:53 PM (ZbV+0)
I agree, there's something wrong when #BlueLivesMatter more than #AllLivesMatter!
I agree, there's something wrong when #BlueLivesMatter more than #AllLivesMatter!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 22, 2015 07:57 PM (ftVQq)
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Young feminists hate her because she hung with Bill after his affairs. That is SO not intersectional, yo.
Working class men hate her because she reminds them of either a) their bitchy ex wife or b) their bitchy mother in law.
Middle class men hate her because she reminds them of their bitchy HR rep/incompetent female boss.
Her only true constituency is Old White Women who see her as "one of them". Retired High School Counselors of the world.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:51 PM (Z/8dZ)
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Are you really telling me that FEMINISTS!! will not vote for her because of Bill? I mean come on. Let's get real here.
Working class men hate her because she reminds them of either a) their bitchy ex wife or b) their bitchy mother in law.
Middle class men hate her because she reminds them of their bitchy HR rep/incompetent female boss.
Her only true constituency is Old White Women who see her as "one of them". Retired High School Counselors of the world.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:51 PM (Z/8dZ)
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Are you really telling me that FEMINISTS!! will not vote for her because of Bill? I mean come on. Let's get real here.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 22, 2015 07:58 PM (zgNJq)
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I hate, hate, hate Trump because he offends my class sensibilities. So I could never, ever vote for him.
So I guess I'll vote for the lying old scrunt in the Depends.
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So I guess I'll vote for the lying old scrunt in the Depends.
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Fish tacos are a crime. Unless it's shitty fish, then you might as well make chicken fajitas
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 22, 2015 07:55 PM (voOPb)
When people ask me my favorite fish, I tend to say "filet-o-fish, in the little box with the arches on it."
Honestly, I don't know what else to say. I like fish, but wouldn't know one make or model from another.
I've had delicious fish tacos before. And SHUT UP! I mean in a restaurant...
I SAID SHUT UP!!!
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 22, 2015 07:55 PM (voOPb)
When people ask me my favorite fish, I tend to say "filet-o-fish, in the little box with the arches on it."
Honestly, I don't know what else to say. I like fish, but wouldn't know one make or model from another.
I've had delicious fish tacos before. And SHUT UP! I mean in a restaurant...
I SAID SHUT UP!!!
Posted by: BurtTC at December 22, 2015 07:58 PM (TOk1P)
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Romney lost because he was a Richie Rich billionaire who wasn't like average Americans. Plus the power of incumbency is quite strong. I don't think there was a whole lot about ideology concerning the results. Recall that Obama lost votes compared to 2008.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:58 PM (5p18q)
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" If someone decides that "the rule of law" needs to be attacked, we should be paying attention to why, not mindlessly falling in line behind the king."
Fair enough. I'm just saying that there's justification for making cop killing a higher crime than a "cold hard facts of life" champagne induced knife attack.
In Texas killing a cop is already included on a list of capital crimes. There are other things on that list though. Killing someone in commission of another felony, multiple murders, killing a kid ect.
Fair enough. I'm just saying that there's justification for making cop killing a higher crime than a "cold hard facts of life" champagne induced knife attack.
In Texas killing a cop is already included on a list of capital crimes. There are other things on that list though. Killing someone in commission of another felony, multiple murders, killing a kid ect.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 07:59 PM (Z/8dZ)
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hey guys -- racist nood up.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 22, 2015 08:00 PM (AkOaV)
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Romney lost because he was a Richie Rich billionaire who wasn't like average Americans. Plus the power of incumbency is quite strong.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:58 PM (5p18q)
Incorrect and incorrect.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:58 PM (5p18q)
Incorrect and incorrect.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 22, 2015 08:02 PM (zc3Db)
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A lot of you are stuck in 80s/90s political cliches. Oh Hillary reminds men of their female H/R rep so they won't vote for her. Bullshit. Nobody votes like that. People vote on which guy/gal will give them the most shit, or cut their taxes the most or grab the most guns or fund their pet project, whatever it is.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 22, 2015 08:03 PM (zgNJq)
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" People who think the Obama 52% will wake up one day and say holy fuck that Hillary is too far left for me are dreaming"
Well, not that exactly, but times have changed rather quickly since Obama was elected.
Remember that he ran as a Anti-Gay Marriage Christian(!!)
Since that time we've seen not only gay marriage, but also all this tranny bullshit which has culminated in a 60 year old man claiming to be "transaged" and dresses up a 7 year old girl to get screwed by his "dad".
So I mean, yeah, people out there in West Virginia who voted for Obama for the free shit may be a bit disgusted with how things have turned out and sit out the next election.
Well, not that exactly, but times have changed rather quickly since Obama was elected.
Remember that he ran as a Anti-Gay Marriage Christian(!!)
Since that time we've seen not only gay marriage, but also all this tranny bullshit which has culminated in a 60 year old man claiming to be "transaged" and dresses up a 7 year old girl to get screwed by his "dad".
So I mean, yeah, people out there in West Virginia who voted for Obama for the free shit may be a bit disgusted with how things have turned out and sit out the next election.
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 08:03 PM (Z/8dZ)
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Romney lost because he was a Richie Rich billionaire who wasn't like
average Americans. Plus the power of incumbency is quite strong.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:58 PM (5p18q)
Incorrect and incorrect.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 22, 2015 08:02 PM (zc3Db)
No actually those are both correct. Romney lost the "Is just like me" vote and incumbency does have a lot of percs.
Romney lost because he was a Richie Rich billionaire who wasn't like
average Americans. Plus the power of incumbency is quite strong.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 07:58 PM (5p18q)
Incorrect and incorrect.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 22, 2015 08:02 PM (zc3Db)
No actually those are both correct. Romney lost the "Is just like me" vote and incumbency does have a lot of percs.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2015 08:04 PM (5p18q)
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303 Not impressed. What people say and do in a voting booth are different things. It will come down to either Trump or Cruz vs. Hillary and either one, in my opinion, will win going away.
Posted by: rrpjr at December 22, 2015 07:26 PM (s/yC1)
We told ourselves that in 2012, remember all the talk of "skewed" polls? We got a very unpleasant shock on election night.
I would love nothing better to see Hillary go down in flames next November. What I really want to happen and what the actual reality is out there are not one and the same.
Posted by: rrpjr at December 22, 2015 07:26 PM (s/yC1)
We told ourselves that in 2012, remember all the talk of "skewed" polls? We got a very unpleasant shock on election night.
I would love nothing better to see Hillary go down in flames next November. What I really want to happen and what the actual reality is out there are not one and the same.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 22, 2015 08:04 PM (P8951)
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419 Fish tacos are a crime. Unless it's shitty fish, then you might as well make chicken fajitas
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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That's just because you have to get your fish out of a hole after sitting on a frozen lake all day. You're just bitter.
We can get good fish down here out of the Chesapeake bay. And soft-shelled crabs for a little while each year...
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That's just because you have to get your fish out of a hole after sitting on a frozen lake all day. You're just bitter.
We can get good fish down here out of the Chesapeake bay. And soft-shelled crabs for a little while each year...
Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 22, 2015 08:04 PM (mUsVF)
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"Nobody votes like that. People vote on which guy/gal will give them the most shit, or cut their taxes the most or grab the most guns or fund their pet project, whatever it is. "
Yes, they do. That is *exactly* how LIV vote. "I like this guy. I don't like this guy. I'll vote for the guy I like"
Or
"I don't like either of these assholes, I'm staying home and watching The Voice"
Yes, they do. That is *exactly* how LIV vote. "I like this guy. I don't like this guy. I'll vote for the guy I like"
Or
"I don't like either of these assholes, I'm staying home and watching The Voice"
Posted by: Lauren at December 22, 2015 08:05 PM (Z/8dZ)
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I can take my boat out right now Chi & catch walleyes
My freezer has fish in it from this summer. And I highly doubt you put crab into tacos
My freezer has fish in it from this summer. And I highly doubt you put crab into tacos
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 22, 2015 08:07 PM (voOPb)
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still arguing over Trump's cop killer quote?
He didn't pay a cent in advertising to keep his position in your mind.
Whether or not it's in the President's authority to set criminal penalty, Trump took a hard position that resonates with the LIV's ( you know, the ones whose votes the gope couldn't win on their best day); especially in contrast to the BLM thugs and their encouragement of riot.
It's an emotive, not rational position, and it beats the shit out of NOT taking a position on the democong's war on cops.
He didn't pay a cent in advertising to keep his position in your mind.
Whether or not it's in the President's authority to set criminal penalty, Trump took a hard position that resonates with the LIV's ( you know, the ones whose votes the gope couldn't win on their best day); especially in contrast to the BLM thugs and their encouragement of riot.
It's an emotive, not rational position, and it beats the shit out of NOT taking a position on the democong's war on cops.
Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 22, 2015 08:08 PM (A9KzJ)
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We told ourselves that in 2012, remember all the talk of "skewed" polls? We got a very unpleasant shock on election night.
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We kept hearing over and over that people were saying they liked Obama because they didn't want to look like a racist, but they would vote against him.
Tuns out the polls were largely right, RealClearPolitics called 49 out of 50 states correctly just by averaging the polls.
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We kept hearing over and over that people were saying they liked Obama because they didn't want to look like a racist, but they would vote against him.
Tuns out the polls were largely right, RealClearPolitics called 49 out of 50 states correctly just by averaging the polls.
Posted by: Brady at December 22, 2015 08:10 PM (A3kYV)
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yeah, tea bagger and some nasty stuff said about Palin ... but it usually wasn't the candidate saying those things. They gotta act all presidential.
Trump has real potential to draw in the "rest of America" that doesn't usually vote. He has potential to reach both sides, as some of the black ministers seem to also think. Kennedy and Clinton were some nasty pieces of work, but they have the commie network of support, and at least were not too out front about their misogynist tendencies.
We shall see, but it would be nice if Trump didn't give Megyn any more schlong material to work with. He could try to win the other half of FOX, instead of poking them with a stick. Trump .. maybe Cruz ... may the best man win.
Trump has real potential to draw in the "rest of America" that doesn't usually vote. He has potential to reach both sides, as some of the black ministers seem to also think. Kennedy and Clinton were some nasty pieces of work, but they have the commie network of support, and at least were not too out front about their misogynist tendencies.
We shall see, but it would be nice if Trump didn't give Megyn any more schlong material to work with. He could try to win the other half of FOX, instead of poking them with a stick. Trump .. maybe Cruz ... may the best man win.
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I can neither confirm nor deny that Chi's is The Least Interesting Man In The World.
But soft-shells make a great sammich. I have had tacos. And a versions of eggs Benedict with hollandaise that will make you start paying rent at the diner.
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But soft-shells make a great sammich. I have had tacos. And a versions of eggs Benedict with hollandaise that will make you start paying rent at the diner.
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In Texas killing a cop is already included on a list of capital crimes.
There are other things on that list though. Killing someone in
commission of another felony, multiple murders, killing a kid ect.
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It's redundant then.
Can you imagine any circumstances when 'killing a cop' would not also fall under 'killing someone in commission of another felony'?
Pu another way, if a perp is shooting at a cop under just about any circumstance, are any of the other crimes he's committing (resisting arrest, attempted murder any time he misses, assault, unlawful discharge of a weapon, disturbing the peace, etc.) a felony?
It's potentially useless as well, as I have a hard time imagining anyone in this situation shooting at cops if they aren't already looking at capital charges as that's a good way to end up dead on the spot.
There are other things on that list though. Killing someone in
commission of another felony, multiple murders, killing a kid ect.
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It's redundant then.
Can you imagine any circumstances when 'killing a cop' would not also fall under 'killing someone in commission of another felony'?
Pu another way, if a perp is shooting at a cop under just about any circumstance, are any of the other crimes he's committing (resisting arrest, attempted murder any time he misses, assault, unlawful discharge of a weapon, disturbing the peace, etc.) a felony?
It's potentially useless as well, as I have a hard time imagining anyone in this situation shooting at cops if they aren't already looking at capital charges as that's a good way to end up dead on the spot.
Posted by: Methos at December 22, 2015 08:12 PM (ZbV+0)
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Cruz also has likeability issues. I love is policies, but he comes across somehow that grates.
This is why I like Rubio.
No, I don't love every one of his policies.
But I'm okay with enough of them.
The clincher for me to accept him was his insertion of the language that cut off bail out funds for ACA insurers.
That's enough small government/cut government/actual action against Obama that worked to accept him.
Foreign policy...ennnh
Amnesty? If it happens, and it will under Hillary too, then have a Spanish speaker GOP guy do it.
Ohhh, that probably will rile up the comments section.
This is why I like Rubio.
No, I don't love every one of his policies.
But I'm okay with enough of them.
The clincher for me to accept him was his insertion of the language that cut off bail out funds for ACA insurers.
That's enough small government/cut government/actual action against Obama that worked to accept him.
Foreign policy...ennnh
Amnesty? If it happens, and it will under Hillary too, then have a Spanish speaker GOP guy do it.
Ohhh, that probably will rile up the comments section.
Posted by: sexypig at December 22, 2015 08:13 PM (dZQh7)
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Actually, I think Trump should have his own political TV show. We'd get all the riffs and insults, but not have to suspend our disbelief that he'd be a great president.
I think he'd be good at some parts of it.
I'd most worry about foreign policy.
Mr. Twitter to 3:00 am doesn't sound so good for that role.
I think he'd be good at some parts of it.
I'd most worry about foreign policy.
Mr. Twitter to 3:00 am doesn't sound so good for that role.
Posted by: sexypig at December 22, 2015 08:16 PM (dZQh7)
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419 Fish tacos are a crime. Unless it's shitty fish, then you might as well make chicken fajitas
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 22, 2015 07:55 PM (voOPb)
I involuntarily giggle every time I see the phrase "fish taco".
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 22, 2015 07:55 PM (voOPb)
I involuntarily giggle every time I see the phrase "fish taco".
Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2015 08:19 PM (sdi6R)
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Vanities aren't like assholes, they're like teeth: We all have a bunch of them, and we show them off every time we open our mouths.
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How can you tell the toothbrush was invented in Arkansas?
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How can you tell the toothbrush was invented in Arkansas?
Posted by: Cletus with only one tooth at December 22, 2015 08:20 PM (VAsIq)
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I've pretty much made peace with sitting this election out.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at December 22, 2015 08:22 PM (VAsIq)
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You know what's really funny about Donald Trump?
He's 69 years old and he behaves as a candidate as if he never before lived through a single presidential campaign.
Like he has no idea how to "act" so he's being himself -- which is what 99% of what all the positive and negative hoopla is all about. He's just being himself. For some that's refreshing; for others it's uncomfortable and upsetting.
You know what's really funny about Donald Trump?
He's 69 years old and he behaves as a candidate as if he never before lived through a single presidential campaign.
Like he has no idea how to "act" so he's being himself -- which is what 99% of what all the positive and negative hoopla is all about. He's just being himself. For some that's refreshing; for others it's uncomfortable and upsetting.
Posted by: 270000 admirals and generals at December 22, 2015 08:28 PM (rHiI3)
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447 I've pretty much made peace with sitting this election out.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at December 22, 2015 08:22 PM (VAsIq)
Nah, I would never not vote. If it's Bush or Rubio, I'll vote Libertarian or write in Cthulhu. But I wouldn't sit it out.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at December 22, 2015 08:22 PM (VAsIq)
Nah, I would never not vote. If it's Bush or Rubio, I'll vote Libertarian or write in Cthulhu. But I wouldn't sit it out.
Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2015 08:31 PM (sdi6R)
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I'm late to the party, but posts like this are why I still hang around this site.
Posted by: AD at December 22, 2015 08:39 PM (vPrMW)
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"You know how you can tell a workin' man? Because he's the guy telling you how great the workin' man is."
OK, maybe I missed the context of this, although it IS a stand-alone paragraph, so I'll just give a tentative response....
Fuck you, asshole. I'm a "workin' man" and I don't appreciate this fucking horseshit description of the same. Eat a bag of dicks.
Now, if I've somehow misconstrued that paragraph, then I'll gladly re-evaluate my response.
But really, what the fuck???
OK, maybe I missed the context of this, although it IS a stand-alone paragraph, so I'll just give a tentative response....
Fuck you, asshole. I'm a "workin' man" and I don't appreciate this fucking horseshit description of the same. Eat a bag of dicks.
Now, if I've somehow misconstrued that paragraph, then I'll gladly re-evaluate my response.
But really, what the fuck???
Posted by: Dirty Randy at December 22, 2015 08:44 PM (nhHPu)
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Fuck you, asshole. I'm a "workin' man" and I don't appreciate this fucking horseshit description of the same. Eat a bag of dicks.
Posted by: Dirty Randy at December 22, 2015 08:44 PM (nhHPu)
I'm a "workin' man" too, and it didn't bother me.
Note the next sentence and the footnote:
Anyway, point is, everyone has these little huge class-based vanities.*
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* My personal class-based vanity is being able to see how silly everyone else's class-based vanities are. That's the vanity of someone who's signalling he's of the Philosophical and Thinking Class.
Fuck you, asshole. I'm a "workin' man" and I don't appreciate this fucking horseshit description of the same. Eat a bag of dicks.
Posted by: Dirty Randy at December 22, 2015 08:44 PM (nhHPu)
I'm a "workin' man" too, and it didn't bother me.
Note the next sentence and the footnote:
Anyway, point is, everyone has these little huge class-based vanities.*
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* My personal class-based vanity is being able to see how silly everyone else's class-based vanities are. That's the vanity of someone who's signalling he's of the Philosophical and Thinking Class.
Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2015 09:04 PM (sdi6R)
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At what point will republicans and/or conservatives reject an individual who espouses a leadership style that is associated closer to what one would expect from an adolescent/juvenile in an high school locker room. Has society lost sight of what is true leadership and statesmanship? If the support of Donald Trump remains intact during the primary season despite the numerous (almost daily) irresponsible/immature proclamations (gaffes to me), it is a clear indication that society has lost its way and has lost its moral compass. Have goodness, decency, standards, and refinement been discarded in favor of vacuous and tactless utterances?
Posted by: Christian Warrior at December 22, 2015 09:13 PM (9JzI5)
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"And that will put him at, say, 31-33%."
Cute. One problem though: he's currently trailing Hillary in the RCP average by a mere 6%--and the general hasn't even started yet. Also, unlike, say, Rubio or Jeb, he'll actually go on the attack against her. I'm really supposed to believe that's not movable? Okay.
People are only "embarrassed" because they're supposed to be. Trump is no glass jaw.
Tired of this bogus electability argument. I'm shocked anyone's still making it after Romney.
Cute. One problem though: he's currently trailing Hillary in the RCP average by a mere 6%--and the general hasn't even started yet. Also, unlike, say, Rubio or Jeb, he'll actually go on the attack against her. I'm really supposed to believe that's not movable? Okay.
People are only "embarrassed" because they're supposed to be. Trump is no glass jaw.
Tired of this bogus electability argument. I'm shocked anyone's still making it after Romney.
Posted by: Mr. Estrada at December 22, 2015 09:13 PM (RPsRI)
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Besides, Trump is good at moving the Overton Window. I'd like to see it moved on some of this "propriety" crap too.
Posted by: Mr. Estrada at December 22, 2015 09:17 PM (RPsRI)
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Lol. Poor delusional Ace still thinks the GOP can win the presidency.
The delusion runs deep with you RWNJs.
The delusion runs deep with you RWNJs.
Posted by: Tony at December 22, 2015 09:20 PM (n2jU+)
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But are they embarrassed of Hillary... who sells the power of her office to fund her slush fund, er charity? who lies to the faces of grieving parents to keep from owning her blame in their deaths? Who has made an utter mess of every foreign policy issue in which she was involved? They're not embarrassed about that?
Trumps not MY pick, but I'll take a blowhard over that liar/cheat any day.
Trumps not MY pick, but I'll take a blowhard over that liar/cheat any day.
Posted by: Lily at December 22, 2015 09:25 PM (Qm82t)
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As someone who definitely wants to punish the establishment this election cycle, I gotta say I still find Trump pretty unacceptable. He's by no means the only candidate I find unacceptable, Jeb, Kasich, and (maybe) Rubio are also on that list for me, and I'm not sure my list ends there either.
I guess 2012 left me with a sadistic streak, but I'm happy to let the public that voted twice for this charlatan suffer under another 4-8 years of violent social justice tantrums, and I'm happy to throw the corporate class to the wolves and let them Feel the Bern for voluntarily spending the last decade as the enforcement arm of the left.
Also, as someone who mostly likes Dubya, Palin, and similarly maligned figures, and who mostly (especially in the last 2 years) sides with the base over the establishment, can we please start putting out candidates that I can push on my friends who aren't sold yet on conservatism, and be taken seriously? Please, no more reality TV personalities, or candidates who make the media's job of making Republican candidates look stupid too easy.
I guess 2012 left me with a sadistic streak, but I'm happy to let the public that voted twice for this charlatan suffer under another 4-8 years of violent social justice tantrums, and I'm happy to throw the corporate class to the wolves and let them Feel the Bern for voluntarily spending the last decade as the enforcement arm of the left.
Also, as someone who mostly likes Dubya, Palin, and similarly maligned figures, and who mostly (especially in the last 2 years) sides with the base over the establishment, can we please start putting out candidates that I can push on my friends who aren't sold yet on conservatism, and be taken seriously? Please, no more reality TV personalities, or candidates who make the media's job of making Republican candidates look stupid too easy.
Posted by: reform highlander at December 22, 2015 10:01 PM (xf3KI)
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"But are they embarrassed of Hillary... who sells the power of her office
to fund her slush fund, er charity? who lies to the faces of grieving
parents to keep from owning her blame in their deaths? Who has made
an utter mess of every foreign policy issue in which she was involved?
They're not embarrassed about that?"
They don't have to be, because the media lets them off the hook for it. Conservatives and libertarians have to always keep in mind that we're playing a rigged game the left does not.
The Clintons are basically an international version of the Baltimore politicians on The Wire, peddling influence and political favors, but of course the public is never going to have their noses rubbed in that fact. I would bet most Americans have already put the Clinton e-mail scandals out of mind, and it will probably only come up again before the 2016 election if the Republican candidate forces it in the debates.
to fund her slush fund, er charity? who lies to the faces of grieving
parents to keep from owning her blame in their deaths? Who has made
an utter mess of every foreign policy issue in which she was involved?
They're not embarrassed about that?"
They don't have to be, because the media lets them off the hook for it. Conservatives and libertarians have to always keep in mind that we're playing a rigged game the left does not.
The Clintons are basically an international version of the Baltimore politicians on The Wire, peddling influence and political favors, but of course the public is never going to have their noses rubbed in that fact. I would bet most Americans have already put the Clinton e-mail scandals out of mind, and it will probably only come up again before the 2016 election if the Republican candidate forces it in the debates.
Posted by: reform highlander at December 22, 2015 10:08 PM (xf3KI)
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It's so much easier for Democrats:
"Whoever or whatever becomes the Democratic candidate, we will fellate until our knees bleed, even fifty years after they've been President. After all, by definition, any Democratic politician is a living god."
"Whoever or whatever becomes the Democratic candidate, we will fellate until our knees bleed, even fifty years after they've been President. After all, by definition, any Democratic politician is a living god."
Posted by: TB at December 22, 2015 10:34 PM (UXEYz)
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Remember that what you call vanities include the Protestant work ethic and the Catholic charity towards the less fortunate. Working class patriotism and pride in their work. These beliefs are what hold hold this country together. Trump is a narcissist and a demagogue. He doesn't understand what he needs to do to win the nomination.
Posted by: John Tucked at December 23, 2015 12:06 AM (Zh+Uq)
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Obama got 65 million votes in 2012 because he was Obama. Any other Democrat is not getting 65 million votes for 2016, not even Hillary. 62 million is probably her ceiling. And she could easily be looking at a Romney-like depressed-turnout of 59 million or so. Trump just has to get those working-class white guys who stayed home in 2012 and keep the people who showed up for Romney and he's in.
Someone please explain how Hillary pulls 65 million votes when she has no Obama-boost (which was good for 3-5 million votes in both elections). She's not getting the same black turnout or percentage (turnout will be 5-6 points lower and she'll max out at 87-88% which is typical for a Dem and could end up with 85%, which is enough to lose her FL and OH). Trump can afford to lose some college-educated whites if the non-college ones show up, which they are very likely to do.
The Hispanic and Asian votes are going to be lower for Hillary by a bit as well, but are also heavily clustered in superblue states and just Don't Matter.
I'm not saying it's not a big if, but college-educated whites were 56% Republican in 2012. With Trump as nominee, they're still like 52%. And the 62% Republican non-college whites just have to turnout at more like 67% Republican (which could happen with Trump) and it's President Trump.
Someone please explain how Hillary pulls 65 million votes when she has no Obama-boost (which was good for 3-5 million votes in both elections). She's not getting the same black turnout or percentage (turnout will be 5-6 points lower and she'll max out at 87-88% which is typical for a Dem and could end up with 85%, which is enough to lose her FL and OH). Trump can afford to lose some college-educated whites if the non-college ones show up, which they are very likely to do.
The Hispanic and Asian votes are going to be lower for Hillary by a bit as well, but are also heavily clustered in superblue states and just Don't Matter.
I'm not saying it's not a big if, but college-educated whites were 56% Republican in 2012. With Trump as nominee, they're still like 52%. And the 62% Republican non-college whites just have to turnout at more like 67% Republican (which could happen with Trump) and it's President Trump.
Posted by: Jaxon Jensen at December 23, 2015 01:45 AM (tPMri)
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Wait I thought you didn't give any fucks?
"And then what?"
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Who cares, and what difference at this point would it make?
"And then what?"
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Who cares, and what difference at this point would it make?
Posted by: jackbenibble at December 23, 2015 03:23 AM (nRq2E)
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Wow! What a load of shit. It's written that a fool's voice in known through the multitude of words. The character who penned this piece wrote a whole shit-load of words just to say a Trump presidency would be embarrassing? Oh, and just a reminder, Mrs. Palin didn't run for the presidency.
Posted by: steve at December 23, 2015 07:55 AM (MJPvu)
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51% say they would be embarrassed by a Trump presidency.....
The same poll shows that 48% say they would be embarrassed by a Hillary Clinton presidency....
Seems within the MOE, but the press seized on and reported one point datum and not the other.
One can only speculate as to why that is.
The same poll shows that 48% say they would be embarrassed by a Hillary Clinton presidency....
Seems within the MOE, but the press seized on and reported one point datum and not the other.
One can only speculate as to why that is.
Posted by: Ponsonby Britt at December 23, 2015 08:26 AM (tNSR3)
Posted by: Myshiba at December 23, 2015 09:22 AM (n20xt)
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Quote: [Trump] actively insults and embarrasses them and pushes them closer and closer to the point where they just decide they will not vote for Donald Trump, ever."
Too late. Trump has already passed that point.
I would ALMOST consider voting for Hillary before I would ever vote for Trump. Chances are, I'd stay home, though. Either way, I'd crawl over broken glass just to keep this idiot out of the White House.
Too late. Trump has already passed that point.
I would ALMOST consider voting for Hillary before I would ever vote for Trump. Chances are, I'd stay home, though. Either way, I'd crawl over broken glass just to keep this idiot out of the White House.
Posted by: DRayRaven at December 23, 2015 10:19 AM (Qc2Pk)
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SO WHAT?!?
Isn't this the same popularity "poll" (with Cruz ahead of Trump in Iowa) that has a SIX POINT NINE PERCENT(BWAHAHAHAHAHA) margin of error?!?
F*ck anyone who is NOT "embarassed by Obama or Hillary.
I DO NOT TRUST THIS "poll".
Isn't this the same popularity "poll" (with Cruz ahead of Trump in Iowa) that has a SIX POINT NINE PERCENT(BWAHAHAHAHAHA) margin of error?!?
F*ck anyone who is NOT "embarassed by Obama or Hillary.
I DO NOT TRUST THIS "poll".
Posted by: Kauf Buch at December 23, 2015 12:04 PM (8S8SN)
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@ 468/DRayRaven
Thanks for playing the CONCERNED TROLL, but ANY a§$h*le who says they'll vote for Hillary "because Trump" is a repulsive idiot.
Thanks for playing the CONCERNED TROLL, but ANY a§$h*le who says they'll vote for Hillary "because Trump" is a repulsive idiot.
Posted by: Kauf Buch at December 23, 2015 12:06 PM (8S8SN)
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ace,
I can't say how much I appreciate your analysis regarding people's profound attachments to Class Vanities. - Extremely insightful and personally helpful to me. Thanks.
As for Trump alienating important swaths of voters, I too have long held this concern. Particularly I am concerned that, over time, Trump could be deemed radioactive by non-partisan voters. (That was my main argument against Gingrich: that he was ALREADY personally radioactive. Whereas after four years as President, America had by and large made up its mind that Obama was personally wholesome.) It is a reasonable concern that Trump's candidacy might ultimately get painted as an ugly symbol that is shameful for squish-voters to admit they're supporting.
However, there are good reasons to believe that Trump's candidacy is not currently in danger of being successfully marginalized in the minds of general election voters.
First, we are not yet even close to the general election.Which is a whole other ballgame than the nomination process. - It. Is. Totally. DIFFERENT.
As it always has been.
An important part of what makes it different is that squish-voters don't start to really care about who will be the next president until late into the general election cycle. So somewhat silly (and generally vague), NON-POLICY remarks that Donald Trump makes during the nomination process are not likely to be significant issues in the general election.
Now, if Democrat oppo-research can unearth a scandal or something truly nasty from Trump's past: then there would be serious cause for the concern that Trump could be deemed radioactive by squish-voters.
Second, Trump has laid down plenty of markers that make it easy for him to pivot to the center in the general election. But here is the best aspect to notice: If Trump wins the nomination, he will have bested a HUGE field of well-established, Republican, career politicians. Trump is only technically a Republican. Trump will certainly brag about this. And so he will be able to run as a true independent and outsider who beat out all those PARTISAN Republicans to run for president.
And, ironically, Trump has the tremendous advantage of having never served in public office. So he has zero record to attack. Trump's political slate is blanker than Obama's was in 08'.
And it will be worse than futile to attack Trump's awesome record of building and managing a multi-billion dollar set of tremendously successful businesses.
Third, Trump has already shown signs that he learns from his mistakes and makes adjustments. The easiest example to point at is: after he was admonished by prominent conservatives for attacking Cruz, Trump backed off. So Trump knows when to double-down and when to change course.
And as we all know, Trump LOVES to win. So there is good reason to believe he will do his best to discern and adopt the best strategy for winning the general election.
Does anyone really think that Trump got into this solely to win the passionate adulation of conservative grassroots? Does it really seem like Trump needs love from 25% of the voting population in order for him to feel like his life is complete? Really, that's why he's running for president?
No, I don't think so.
ace,
I can't say how much I appreciate your analysis regarding people's profound attachments to Class Vanities. - Extremely insightful and personally helpful to me. Thanks.
As for Trump alienating important swaths of voters, I too have long held this concern. Particularly I am concerned that, over time, Trump could be deemed radioactive by non-partisan voters. (That was my main argument against Gingrich: that he was ALREADY personally radioactive. Whereas after four years as President, America had by and large made up its mind that Obama was personally wholesome.) It is a reasonable concern that Trump's candidacy might ultimately get painted as an ugly symbol that is shameful for squish-voters to admit they're supporting.
However, there are good reasons to believe that Trump's candidacy is not currently in danger of being successfully marginalized in the minds of general election voters.
First, we are not yet even close to the general election.Which is a whole other ballgame than the nomination process. - It. Is. Totally. DIFFERENT.
As it always has been.
An important part of what makes it different is that squish-voters don't start to really care about who will be the next president until late into the general election cycle. So somewhat silly (and generally vague), NON-POLICY remarks that Donald Trump makes during the nomination process are not likely to be significant issues in the general election.
Now, if Democrat oppo-research can unearth a scandal or something truly nasty from Trump's past: then there would be serious cause for the concern that Trump could be deemed radioactive by squish-voters.
Second, Trump has laid down plenty of markers that make it easy for him to pivot to the center in the general election. But here is the best aspect to notice: If Trump wins the nomination, he will have bested a HUGE field of well-established, Republican, career politicians. Trump is only technically a Republican. Trump will certainly brag about this. And so he will be able to run as a true independent and outsider who beat out all those PARTISAN Republicans to run for president.
And, ironically, Trump has the tremendous advantage of having never served in public office. So he has zero record to attack. Trump's political slate is blanker than Obama's was in 08'.
And it will be worse than futile to attack Trump's awesome record of building and managing a multi-billion dollar set of tremendously successful businesses.
Third, Trump has already shown signs that he learns from his mistakes and makes adjustments. The easiest example to point at is: after he was admonished by prominent conservatives for attacking Cruz, Trump backed off. So Trump knows when to double-down and when to change course.
And as we all know, Trump LOVES to win. So there is good reason to believe he will do his best to discern and adopt the best strategy for winning the general election.
Does anyone really think that Trump got into this solely to win the passionate adulation of conservative grassroots? Does it really seem like Trump needs love from 25% of the voting population in order for him to feel like his life is complete? Really, that's why he's running for president?
No, I don't think so.
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at December 23, 2015 01:33 PM (l2dSQ)
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Oh, one other important point that may have already been commented on.
This far out from even entering the general election campaign, that Quinnipiac poll about how voters would HYPOTHETICALLY feel if so-and-so were to become president is utterly worthless.
Consider that this is how some voters would HYPOTHETICALLY feel while there are still numerous alternatives to whoever will be the two ACTUAL finalists. So there's plenty of tendency for vague fantasy on the part of those being polled.
So Quinnipiac's worthless polling results are guaranteed to radically change if Trump and Clinton are the only two choices available.
Oh, one other important point that may have already been commented on.
This far out from even entering the general election campaign, that Quinnipiac poll about how voters would HYPOTHETICALLY feel if so-and-so were to become president is utterly worthless.
Consider that this is how some voters would HYPOTHETICALLY feel while there are still numerous alternatives to whoever will be the two ACTUAL finalists. So there's plenty of tendency for vague fantasy on the part of those being polled.
So Quinnipiac's worthless polling results are guaranteed to radically change if Trump and Clinton are the only two choices available.
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at December 23, 2015 01:54 PM (l2dSQ)
473
Here in Maine last year, the constant drumbeat in the Media was that Gov. LePage was an "embarrassment" to the state. He won re-election going away.
Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at December 23, 2015 05:09 PM (U4QC6)
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"I'm not saying he has to be buttoned down. I'm just saying he needs to be cognizant of the psychology of human beings, "
I bet he has a far better grasp of it, than most of the people here. You know why? Cause, Trump is a proven winner, and thinks out of the box.
Whereas, you are spending time dwelling on meaningless niceties.
I'd suggest, Trump's support is deeper and wider than you imagine.
Go check Hot Airs headlines, for what I mean...
I bet he has a far better grasp of it, than most of the people here. You know why? Cause, Trump is a proven winner, and thinks out of the box.
Whereas, you are spending time dwelling on meaningless niceties.
I'd suggest, Trump's support is deeper and wider than you imagine.
Go check Hot Airs headlines, for what I mean...
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at December 23, 2015 05:37 PM (XpFLm)
475
Seems like over 50% of the people who read this column are embarassed by old booze hounds.
Posted by: Veritas at December 23, 2015 08:37 PM (kI3wF)
476
Funny how every time somebody says, "We are so f'ed" , they end up sounding like a Lefty or a Libertarian.
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