Food Thread: How To Cook A Turkey [CBD]

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If anyone isn't already just a little bit irritated by the smug superiority of Chipotle, just read this careful evisceration of their entire business plan. Look, I think their food is good, but the condescension inherent in their locavorian, all-natural, touchy-feely assumptions that they have the one true way of making fast-food is just a bit much.

And in spite of what one might intuit, chances are that buying local isn't any more environmentally friendly. Although local foods do travel fewer miles, there is much more to calculating environmental impact than food-miles. The vast majority of greenhouse-gas emissions occur near where the commodity is produced. As a result, it is logical to find the most efficient spots to grow fruits and vegetables and, from there, to ship them to other regions.

I have ranted on many occasions about the irrationality of local sourcing of food. It's as if your PC would be a better product if the memory were made within 20 miles of your house, rather than in the most efficient factory with the smoothest supply chain. Stupid, short-sighted, and ignorant of economics and logistics.

The author, Henry Miller, A fellow at The Hoover Institution, exposes some other interesting flaws in locally sourcing food for a large operation. Um...sanitation: it's the newest thing to hit food production. And Chipotle just doesn't get it.

And wonder of wonders, this writer also points out that organic foods are bred specifically to produce naturally occurring insecticides and herbicides to replace those used on conventional foods. So instead of washing off whatever trivial remnant of the chemicals used on your regular produce, you get to eat the chemicals in your organic stuff! That's called a "Lose-Lose" proposition in my book.

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Here is an article with citations from the U.C. Davis Food Safety Laboratory discussing the advantages of wooden cutting boards. We chatted about it in last week's Food Thread, and several people mentioned reading of the bacteriological advantage of wooden cutting boards.

Well, you folks were correct. Anyone want to buy some well-used plastic cutting boards? The only thing I have cut on them is chicken. But they have always been locally sourced, free-range organic birds.

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From artisanal 'ette, another installment from her kitchen. This time is is a wonderful idea for a long-term project for you cooking families.

Something I did for my family as a Christmas gift years ago is create a Family Cookbook. We have a lot of traditional recipes passed down from generations and I wanted to be sure they were passed down to our children and our children's children. It took a lot of work (I had to call my mother and grandmother for details, etc), but it was so worth it. I decided not to publish with a traditional "spine" because it was meant to add to over the years, so I used a 3 ring binder, with images on the front and back as well. I've expanded it personally to 3 binders now with my additions. But one section is dedicated to our traditional meals at holidays, with menus and then the recipes. Then it is sectioned up like any cookbook, appetizers/hors d'oeuvres, soups and salads, main entrees, sides, drinks, desserts, etc. Including TOC and index.
It's a special gift. I used family photos throughout.
Took me months, though. Probably like 6 months.

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Well, this is weird.... Chicken In Milk with garlic and cinnamon. It's a Jamie Oliver recipe that sounds intriguing. In fact, I have a vague recollection of making it, but I didn't annotate the recipe (I always jot down notes for the first run-through of something non-standard), so maybe not. Hopefully I haven't posted it before...maybe that's why it seems so familiar. Anyway. I will be trying this soon.
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I whipped this up because I was at a loss for what to do with a family pack of legs and thighs that were on sale for $0.99/lb. It is a perfect dish if you just need something simple and easy for the brats to eat. I would double the hot sauce if I were making this for myself. But, really, the proportions are just advisory. If you see something you like, double or triple it. And there is no garlic in there, which I will remedy the next time I make it, just because garlic is almost always a good thing to have in food. Because Vampires.

Oh....anyone have a better idea for a name for this?

Simple Marinated Oven Chicken
Ingredients

4 ounces brown sugar

2 ounces Louisiana Hot Sauce

1 ounce balsamic vinegar

1 minced red onion (small)

6 ounces orange juice

2 tablespoons Kosher salt

1 teaspoon ground black pepper

Cayenne pepper (optional)

4 ounces olive oil

3 pounds legs and thighs, trimmed of excess fat and skin

Whisk together all but olive oil until mixed. Then gradually add the olive oil to form a thin emulsion. It won't really get thick, but the goal is to incorporate the oil in the other ingredients.

Marinate the chicken for 24 hours in the refrigerator, turning once or twice if you remember.

Place skin side up on a rack over a baking sheet.

Roast at 300° for 45 minutes, and then increase heat to 425° and cook for another 15 minutes.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 04:00 PM

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1 Food!

Posted by: HH at December 20, 2015 03:55 PM (DrCtv)

2 Oddly enough, for Christmas Eve my sister makes Tamales. Actually quite good. She's done it for years now.

Posted by: HH at December 20, 2015 03:58 PM (DrCtv)

3 Posted by: HH at December 20, 2015 03:58 PM (DrCtv)

I had an employee who used to bring a huge pot full of freshly steamed tameles every year during the Christmas season. They were spectacular.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 20, 2015 04:00 PM (Zu3d9)

4
Christmas Tamales are the best!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:02 PM (iQIUe)

5 I predict the Empress will use her Flammenwerfer for such cooking endeavours.

How I interpret the word 'organic' when Leftists use it - I want to pay inflated prices and eat bug feces so I can feel smug.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 20, 2015 04:03 PM (EV7bS)

6 Holla....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 04:04 PM (OkAU/)

7 Sweet Chicken of Marinated Death?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 20, 2015 04:05 PM (EV7bS)

8
Christmas Eve Tamales

A tradition of Christmas Eve tamales is a gift that one Mexican-American family hands down, each generation to the next.

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It is tradition to give your wife the ole tamale on Christmas Eve.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:05 PM (iQIUe)

9 MST3K's Pearl Forrester's 'Turkey Surprise' recipe:

"Bake at 200
degrees for one hour and then rub with a turtle."

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 20, 2015 04:06 PM (oVJmc)

10 I will not trespass on those people's property.

Posted by: damn bortles threw another TD at December 20, 2015 04:08 PM (3MNCs)

11 mmm food

Posted by: chemjeff @ Hooters - go chiefs at December 20, 2015 04:09 PM (d5s9K)

12 How bout calling it "Hot Brown Sugar Chicken"?....

Chipotle is good if your all bound up and need to flush the innards.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 20, 2015 04:09 PM (ej1L0)

13 Christmas Tamales are the best!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:02 PM (iQIUe)

My new son-in-law is Honduran; daughter asked if I wanted her to make tamales for Christmas dinner. Hey...why not??

Posted by: antisocialist at December 20, 2015 04:10 PM (cDs+4)

14 I'd stick with Simple Marinated Oven Chicken because accuracy.

Whatever it's called, it sounds good.

Posted by: all doubt removed at December 20, 2015 04:10 PM (KWGc0)

15 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:05 PM (iQIUe)

Heh. Well, the thing is we both grew up in Tucson, but had moved from upstate NY. We are Irish, so never did that on Christmas. I'm just going to have to ask her how and when she started doing that after she married and had kids.

But they are quite good.

Posted by: HH at December 20, 2015 04:12 PM (DrCtv)

16 Ho Lee Fook.

Sorry. Giants just tied.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 04:13 PM (OkAU/)

17 My daughter the Food Nazi does the whole organic thing. We both of us do actually buy local during the summer months. There's a Farmer's Market down in the harbor area along Lake Michigan and I like to buy local meat there because I know some of the farmers and they have nice meat. Cheese too. The organic grocery store thing I don't do because there is no point. Daughter grows a wide variety of vegetables in her garden (organically) and I just steal stuff from her when I'm pretending to push the kids on the swing.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:13 PM (dFi94)

18 We don't have a Chipotle around here. The closest one is about 75 miles away in a mall in Columbia. I ate there once. It wasn't bad and it wasn't good. Kind of bleh.

But I had heard that thing on wooden cutting boards long ago but every time I get one something happens to it because I think wifey believes plastic is cleaner.

As for close sources for food, I buy stuff every now and then from local farmers at their roadside stands. The one thing you know about that stuff is that it is fresh. But all the rest of that clap trap about locals sources and "organic" is a bunch of hooey. And organic is just a rip off.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 20, 2015 04:15 PM (t2KH5)

19 Allow me to be the first to say that video is stupid

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 20, 2015 04:15 PM (PMlgt)

20 If my neighbors "roasted" a turkey like that? I'd feel a lot of pressure to prove that I was crazier. Enough black powder and a waterproof wick can usually break enough windows for me to make my point.

I also "passed" on a Chipotle gift certificate I receive every year. I would spend the certificate and double that to feed a bunch of Fantasy Baseball buddies every Summer.

I'll make my Cheeseburger Soup and grill some hot dogs instead.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 04:16 PM (OQ9R7)

21 Who was the lurker that came out of the bushes yesterday to ask about the redirects?
I told him him that I hadn't seen it here in quote a while - I think he jinxed me!
ace, umm, ugh! That is all.

On to the thread - am I the only one here that has never eaten at Chipotle? Is it really that good?

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 04:16 PM (V6E6P)

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Another thing that you can make and give as gifts is homemade Kahlua.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:17 PM (iQIUe)

23 I ate at Chipotle once.

I don't get it.

Posted by: Sanfranpsycho at December 20, 2015 04:17 PM (Vv/Pc)

24 am I the only one here that has never eaten at Chipotle? Is it really that good?

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 04:16 PM (V6E6P)
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I've never eaten there either. I'm not sure there is one in my town.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:18 PM (dFi94)

25 It's a wash between plastic vs. wooden cutting boards, as long as you replace the plastic boards every year. The larger problem is society's growing and irrational germophobia. If you're not exposed to bugs, you don't get immunity because you're immune system has no ability to develop responses. Enough with wipes, the hand sanitizers, and the face masks..!!!

Posted by: macleod at December 20, 2015 04:18 PM (Qf5bp)

26 Our family has done the family cookbook thing a couple of times. Makes for a great family keepsakes and keeps the old recipes alive.

Posted by: Farmer at December 20, 2015 04:18 PM (o/90i)

27 Sorry New York Giants fans.

Posted by: free range jihadist at December 20, 2015 04:19 PM (7v/r5)

28 There is a dairy not too far from here that sells organic milk. WTF

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (mUa7N)

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I've never eaten there either. But it is not the only Mexican fast food joint that claims to have fresh ingredients. What about Baja Fresh?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (iQIUe)

30 Chipotle central cooks it's beans and one of the meats (either the beef or pork I forget which.)

If a failure happens during this process it's a perfect storm for nation wide disaster.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (tM4uk)

31 20
I'll make my Cheeseburger Soup and grill some hot dogs instead.
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 04:16 PM (OQ9R7)

I tried cheeseburger soup at a low-end kind of bar near Janesville, WI a few years back and I was very disappointed.

You got a recipe?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (uRmWf)

32 Enough with wipes, the hand sanitizers, and the face masks..!!!

Posted by: macleod at December 20, 2015 04:18 PM (Qf5bp)
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Don't even get me started. Daughter the Food Nazi is also Daughter the Germ Nazi.

When I watch the kids, I feed them cookies and let them play games in the mud.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (dFi94)

33 Panthers win.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (OkAU/)

34 Well, this is weird.... Chicken In Milk with garlic and cinnamon. It's a Jamie Oliver recipe that sounds intriguing.

Poaching in milk is a classic franch technique. Usually for feesh. Poaching chix in milk seems like an exercise for those that don't like crispy skin.

You know, morons.

That said, Oliver is a right flaming tosser of the highest order. Can't stand the fucker.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (9YDUz)

35 am I the only one here that has never eaten at Chipotle? Is it really that good?

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I've eaten there once and for the life of me have no idea what the fuss is about. As for e-coli, HELL, they are so notorious for stomach upset that South Park did an episode about them years ago.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 20, 2015 04:21 PM (PMlgt)

36 Oh....anyone have a better idea for a name for this?

Simple Marinated Oven Chicken

Hmmm??? Legs and thighs marinated by a man named Dildo. This requires more ~~drinking~~ thinking.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 20, 2015 04:22 PM (c/3OG)

37 32 When I watch the kids, I feed them cookies and let them play games in the mud.
Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (dFi94)

Tell them boogers are nature's own high protein snack food!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2015 04:22 PM (uRmWf)

38 There is a dairy not too far from here that sells organic milk. WTF

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (mUa7N)
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Daughter feeds the three grandkids organic milk. It's over 6 bucks a gallon.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:22 PM (dFi94)

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That backyard roasting set up looks slightly dangerous. Doesnt the meat taste like gasoline or napalm?

On these Tudor cooking programs, they always emphasize that the roast meat we eat today is baked - not roasted. We need to do it Hampton Court Style! You have a boy sitting besides a huge open fire in the kitchen turning the spits.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:23 PM (iQIUe)

40 Tell them boogers are nature's own high protein snack food!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2015 04:22 PM (uRmWf)
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The two year old in particular has discovered the joys associated with the nose.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:24 PM (dFi94)

41 34 That said, Oliver is a right flaming tosser of the highest order. Can't stand the fucker.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (9YDUz)

Agreed. Total twat. I like Aussie Curtis Stone and my favorite Brit chef is Rick Stein. Great food, great TV shows (YouTube him) and seems like a bloke you can hang out with and have a few pints, and some quality food with.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2015 04:24 PM (uRmWf)

42 Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (mUa7N)

When I lived in L.A. there was some dairy that sold 'raw' milk. Number of times I would see on the news about people getting sick from it.

Funny how that problem was solved years and years ago.

Posted by: HH at December 20, 2015 04:25 PM (DrCtv)

43 "m I the only one here that has never eaten at Chipotle? Is it really that good? "

Damn fine burrito bowl.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 04:26 PM (OkAU/)

44 42 Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (mUa7N)

When I lived in L.A. there was some dairy that sold 'raw' milk. Number of times I would see on the news about people getting sick from it.

Funny how that problem was solved years and years ago.
Posted by: HH at December 20, 2015 04:25 PM (DrCtv)

De-evolution and self-lobotomization of a culture. Tragic, really.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2015 04:26 PM (uRmWf)

45 am I the only one here that has never eaten at Chipotle? Is it really that good?

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World

Ate there a couple of times before it really took off.

Meh. They have a 'burrito bowl' which is the ingredients of a burrito in a bowl without the actual tortilla. It was very dry and kind of bland.

They rely on the toppings to add flavor; sour cream, salsa, guac, etc.

I don't bother because there are a dozen 'authentic' Tex-Mex places closer.

'sides, you can probably learn to make better stuff and freeze it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 04:26 PM (9YDUz)

46 I love buying local corn on the cob on the Maryland Eastern Shore.

In early July.

It's gotta be local, cause that's what the sign says.

(Early July, ain't nothing ready to pick within 150 miles of the Eastern Shore)

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 20, 2015 04:26 PM (ptqRm)

47 Food, glorious food!

Posted by: oliver at December 20, 2015 04:26 PM (DLIIY)

48 Maybe they should get Hitlary a gift certificate for Chipotle before the next debate. Maybe she'd finish ploppies before the commercial ends.

Posted by: Bruce at December 20, 2015 04:27 PM (8ikIW)

49 Yay! Food thread.

I am considering tweaking a family pie by soaking raisins in bourbon and adding walnuts. I'm wondering how I might jazz up the walnuts...

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 04:27 PM (aUjAM)

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I used to eat at Baja Fresh when I lived in LA. I believe it was bought out by one of big conglomerates. It's on the east coast in DC and elsewhere, IIRC.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2015 04:27 PM (uRmWf)

51 The larger problem is society's growing and irrational germophobia. If you're not exposed to bugs, you don't get immunity because you're immune system has no ability to develop responses. Enough with wipes, the hand sanitizers, and the face masks..!!!
Posted by: macleod at December 20, 2015 04:18 PM

Agreed, and duly noted. My SIL doesn't want to eat at my house anymore because I don't Clorox every GD thing in my kitchen after food prepping. For crissakes, my kids even drank out the garden hose.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 20, 2015 04:28 PM (c/3OG)

52 Slap, I'm sure you know already, but you have mail.

Grammie, the pup wants to thank you for your past advice. He is happy and healthy (and full of piss & vinegar).
I'd like to ask a simple question or two, but don't want to clog the blog - maybe after this thread goes over 100?

I bet that turkey tastes like everything my old friend Jim cooked on the grill. Like petroleum. God bless him, he couldn't use a grill if it were a life or death matter.
If anyone here has never used one - go to Lowe's & buy a charcoal chimney. Maybe $10. I haven't bought lighter fluid in 5 or 6 years.

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 04:29 PM (V6E6P)

53 Posted by: HH at December 20, 2015 04:25 PM (DrCtv)

Fvckin' A right it was!

Posted by: Louis Pasteur at December 20, 2015 04:29 PM (Zu3d9)

54 I don't like milk, period, so don't have the problems associated with it. I think organic milk means that the cows haven't been fed anything that has pesticides used on it. Unless you grow your own how can that be proven? I think it's mostly BS.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 04:29 PM (mUa7N)

55 I'm not a tosser. I'm an orphan.

Posted by: oliver at December 20, 2015 04:30 PM (DLIIY)

56 Chipotle's strategy seems to be about virtue signalling rather than the actual product they deliver.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 20, 2015 04:30 PM (oVJmc)

57 ~~Chipotle's~~ ObamaCares strategy seems to be about virtue signalling rather than the actual product they deliver.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 20, 2015 04:31 PM (ptqRm)

58 I'm wondering how I might jazz up the walnuts...

Posted by: Lea

Candy them in maple syrup. And a touch of salt if they don't have any already on.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 04:31 PM (9YDUz)

59 I'm wondering how I might jazz up the walnuts...

Um, not to point out the obvious, but - MORE BOURBON!

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 04:31 PM (V6E6P)

60 Grammie, the pup wants to thank you for your past advice. He is happy and healthy (and full of piss vinegar).

I'd like to ask a simple question or two, but don't want to clog the blog - maybe after this thread goes over 100?

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 04:29 PM (V6E6P)

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Sure!

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:31 PM (dFi94)

61 Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 04:29 PM (mUa7N)

Or the cows haven't been given BGH (Bovine Growth Hormone), which boosts their milk production.

There is currently no known test for milk to find whether it was produced by cows who have been given BGH, so you will have to trust the farmers.

Not that I give a shit....if it makes it cheaper? Go for it. It's perfectly safe.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 20, 2015 04:32 PM (Zu3d9)

62 Please, sir. May I have some more Ewok?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 20, 2015 04:33 PM (DLIIY)

63 "I used to eat at Baja Fresh when I lived in LA. I believe it was bought out by one of big conglomerates. It's on the east coast in DC and elsewhere, IIRC.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2015 04:27 PM (uRmWf)"

Loved Baja Fresh. Walk in, walk out with some pretty decent Mexican. Their black beans were excellent.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 04:33 PM (OkAU/)

64
Chipotle's strategy seems to be about virtue signalling rather than the actual product they deliver.

Posted by: Pappy O'DanielSo it like how they plan to "solve" globull warming?

Posted by: Bruce at December 20, 2015 04:33 PM (8ikIW)

65 Crap. "oliver" sock missing after first commenting on the football thread.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 20, 2015 04:34 PM (DLIIY)

66 Have beaten this horse before but just in case-

I live in farm country. I can take you just down the road from my house to an organic/free range farm. It is a sham! The farmer is laughing his ass off at you! Take the extra money you are WASTING and set it on fire.

If you had any idea what a free range chicken is you would laugh at how you've been scammed. Hint-Chickens can't live "really free" because they are defenseless against predators.

Save your money.

Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 04:34 PM (AiIXu)

67 Whatever happened to Chi-Chi's? I used to like going there. Loved their fried ice cream.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:35 PM (dFi94)

68 Love the drone video.

Posted by: rickl at December 20, 2015 04:35 PM (sdi6R)

69 Hmm. Panthers just stepped on the Giants.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 04:36 PM (9mTYi)

70 Live free or fry!!!

Posted by: the chicken at December 20, 2015 04:36 PM (DLIIY)

71 Heh. Chi-Chi's.
Wow. Haven't thought about that place in over 30 years.
Now I'm hungry for Carlos Murphy's...

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 04:38 PM (V6E6P)

72
On a museum show they had something that looked like a wooden spoon with a large hole in the round part. It was called a teat witcher. When someone cursed your cow causing it to produce less milk, you put the udder in the hole and gave it a yank and the curse was gone.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:39 PM (iQIUe)

73 I could have sworn I just saw Sooth.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:39 PM (dFi94)

74 Thanks for the chicken in milk idea. I'm going to do that and it's going to be sensation. Know why? Because I'lll use organic locally grown chicken that's why. Duh.

Posted by: bour3 at December 20, 2015 04:40 PM (5x3+2)

75 Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 04:27 PM (aUjAM)

You could toast the walnuts. Candy or spice them would be a possibility as well.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 20, 2015 04:40 PM (GDulk)

76 How to keep a turkey in suspense:

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Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 20, 2015 04:41 PM (kpqmD)

77 67 Whatever happened to Chi-Chi's? I used to like going there. Loved their fried ice cream.
Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:35 PM (dFi94)

I have no idea but I remember the fried ice cream being awesome.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 20, 2015 04:42 PM (kpqmD)

78 CBD had your flat iron steak recipe from last week last nite. Awesome!

This weeks recipe looks like a winner too

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 04:42 PM (voOPb)

79 "I tried cheeseburger soup at a low-end kind of bar near Janesville, WI a few years back and I was very disappointed.
You got a recipe?"
-Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2015 04:20 PM (uRmWf)

I went from this video:
http://tinyurl.com/k6zdmn8

Instead of adding the cold ingredients to the soup, I chop and set them aside. I dice the pickles and tomatoes. (I do add some tomatoes to the soup.)

Also, I saute' onions and one stalk of celery to add "backbone". (Bacon and mushrooms are good, too. I don't prefer them, but most do.) I use an immersion blender to combine those into the thickened bechamel.

I've also found that to add that "extra" cheesy flavor, you need to add a jar, (15 oz.) of Tostitos "Smooth and Cheesy Dip". It is not salsa con queso. It is more like "Cheez Whiz" than spicy queso.

One tip I figured-out later was, if I want the right amount of mustard and ketchup, I fry the burgers and apply as if I would normally, to a burger, before dicing the meat into in the soup.

Hope that helps!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 04:43 PM (OQ9R7)

80 Who has the best recipe for collards?
The last batch I made was, well, meh. They were good, but not "smack yo momma" good.
I want to take a big pot to Christmas dinner...

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 04:44 PM (V6E6P)

81
I saw the worse photo yesterday called bleeding the dog. It was in South Korea. Somebody had slit a dog's throat and was draining it in a large pan while stepping on it's body. All around were live little dogs looking very anxious.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:44 PM (iQIUe)

82 I use an immersion blender to combine those into the thickened bechamel.
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I have no idea what those words mean.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:44 PM (dFi94)

83
They werent in cages, either. It's crap like that which will make be a veghead.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:45 PM (iQIUe)

84 82 I use an immersion blender to combine those into the thickened bechamel.
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WITCHCRAFT!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 20, 2015 04:45 PM (kpqmD)

85 To make the "fried" ice cream, you can just roll a large scoop of your favorite vanilla in Frosted Flakes with a touch of cinnamon.

...Corn Flakes with cinnamon and brown sugar if you'd like to cut-down on the sweetness.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 04:46 PM (OQ9R7)

86 SpaceX has postponed their launch to Monday night at 8:33 pm EST. Something about more time to review the data from the static fire, and also lower winds for the landing attempt.

Posted by: rickl at December 20, 2015 04:46 PM (sdi6R)

87 I saw the worse photo yesterday called bleeding the dog. It was in South Korea. Somebody had slit a dog's throat and was draining it in a large pan while stepping on it's body. All around were live little dogs looking very anxious.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:44 PM (iQIUe)

Poor pup(s).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 20, 2015 04:49 PM (oKE6c)

88 >>2015 04:27 PM (aUjAM)
You could toast the walnuts. Candy or spice them would be a possibility as well.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 20, 2015 04:40 PM (

I was thinking about toasting. The pie has a lot of spice already...

Of course if I do add walnut my family will probably revolt.

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 04:50 PM (aUjAM)

89 I am guilty of buying pretty much all organic.

And by organic I mean from a local farm store and from the farmers market.

Not really much more expensive, and the meat is way, way better then grocery store stuff.

As for raw milk? Yeah, there's a dairy farm near me that sells it. It tastes fine, but... I don't know, wigs me out to think about it -- I prefer it be pasteurized.

I don't drink much milk though.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 04:51 PM (AkOaV)

90 I don't worry about the environmental impact but Local foods tend to be fresher and taste better, in many cases. ( not that that matters if they make you ill-although that is probably chipotles fault)

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 04:52 PM (aUjAM)

91 "I have no idea what those words mean."
-Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:44 PM (dFi94)

Put a motorized stir-stick into your sauce that doesn't have cheese added yet.

I feel like a pervert, now.

...thanks.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 04:52 PM (OQ9R7)

92 Hey, CBD, do you have an archive of all of your recipes? I don't cook to often, but next time I do I'd like to try some of your recipes out.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 04:53 PM (AkOaV)

93 Agreed, and duly noted. My SIL doesn't want to eat
at my house anymore because I don't Clorox every GD thing in my kitchen
after food prepping. For crissakes, my kids even drank out the garden
hose.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 20, 2015 04:28 PM (c/3OG)
You'll enjoy this:
Penn and Teller Water Bottle Survey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFKT4jvN4OE

especially around 2:23

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 20, 2015 04:53 PM (oKE6c)

94 Of course if I do add walnut my family will probably revolt.
Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 04:50 PM

I would revolt, too. Pecans (Puh-cahns), please.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 20, 2015 04:55 PM (c/3OG)

95 Oh, and if Chipotle uses completely organic corn that hasn't been touched by genetic engineering, then I am William Wallace.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 04:55 PM (OQ9R7)

96 I hope that it's o.k. to pop in with a prayer request. Apparently, I'm told it's an unofficial rule that you can't do anything off topic until after the 100th post, but I won't be there then or the rest of the evening.

Some of you who frequent the late evening threads know that I serve part time an extremely dysfunctional church where I think there are "powers and principalities " behind the scenes. At any rate, tonight we have a Christmas service because they don't want to be away from their families on Christmas Eve. I am not feeling at all well, nor is one of the dear lay servants in ministry who serve with me. We all have to deal with people we have never met (they are members who never come to church) and some who having never met us really dislike us because of our attempting to really get this church to be a church and reach out into the community. Someone keeps knocking over our sign for this service. It was down this morning.

So prayers for protection, strength and healing would be much appreciated and also for those so inclined-that people might be touched by the love of Christ and redirect their lives. Our service is at 7:00 EST.

Thanks very much.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 20, 2015 04:56 PM (qES5k)

97 If you had any idea what a free range chicken is you would laugh at how you've been scammed. Hint-Chickens can't live "really free" because they are defenseless against predators.

Save your money.
Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 04:34 PM (AiIXu)

Er, the place I buy eggs has the little chickens in "chicken tractors" and the bigger ones roam around. Including in the parking lot, so you have to pull in slowly. They put them all in a big coop at night.

Probably doesn't really effect the quality of the eggs much, but it's certainly not a Tyson chicken factory where the chickens all live in little metal cages barely big enough to support them, and where they eat hormone-infused chicken feed instead of grass and bugs all day.

Costs about the same as grocery store eggs (sometimes cheaper), and I like to support local businesses, so...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 04:56 PM (AkOaV)

98 Forbes site refuses to load article unless ad blocker is turned off. Pretty tricky.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 20, 2015 04:57 PM (FkBIv)

99 I feel like a pervert, now.

...thanks.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 04:52 PM (OQ9R7)
======================================================

No problem.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:57 PM (dFi94)

100 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:44 PM (iQIUe)

Just remember all cultures are at least equal to, and probably better than, ours!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 04:57 PM (ftVQq)

101
Wow. That snake, Jeremy Corbyn is letting that pos George Galloway back into the party. Can this shadow government get any more scuzzy?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:59 PM (iQIUe)

102 Thanks very much.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 20, 2015 04:56 PM (qES5k)

FS, so sorry to hear of your troubles in what should be a true safe space.
I'll send a prayer your way!
~H

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 05:00 PM (ftVQq)

103 @38

Grammie sounds like she has too muc $$$ to throw around.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 05:01 PM (voOPb)

104 Chi-Chi's:
I always ordered the chimichanga. I think because it was fun to say.
And yes, the fried ice cream was a given.

Nobody remembers Carlos Murphy's?
I just teared up thinking of my favorite memory. Dad orders a steak.

"How would you like that, sir?"

"Knock his horns off, grab him by the the tail, and drag his ass across the grill."

Poor girl looked like a deer in the headlights. Mom just rolled her eyes & told her "Rare. Very rare."

Then, when she brought our drinks, she spilled a fishbowl sized mai tai down Dad's shirt and lap. She cried, Dad cussed, we all laughed - then we all got a free dinner & dessert, and he got a free t-shirt!
Memories

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:01 PM (V6E6P)

105 Wow. That snake, Jeremy Corbyn is letting that pos
George Galloway back into the party. Can this shadow government get any
more scuzzy?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 04:59 PM (iQIUe)

Scorpion phenomenon. He's leader of Labour; of course he's going to have sympathy for dirtbags, lunatics, and Communists (those who don't fall under the preceding categories).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 20, 2015 05:01 PM (oKE6c)

106 Someone keeps knocking over our sign for this service. It was down this morning.

So prayers for protection, strength and healing would be much
appreciated and also for those so inclined-that people might be touched
by the love of Christ and redirect their lives. Our service is at 7:00
EST.

Thanks very much.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 20, 2015 04:56 PM (qES5k)
================================================

It sounds like you're up against it Fenelon. Good. The evil one wouldn't be messing with you unless he perceived you as a threat. Flak - target - you get the picture. He doesn't care what you do so long as you're not effective. So I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you are exactly right where you are supposed to be.

"Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil
comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done
everything, to stand."

prayers

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:02 PM (dFi94)

107 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 04:56 PM (AkOaV)

HP, my rant was directed at someone like you that can go to the source and obviously spend your money as you like.

I'm speaking morre to people who have no access to actual farms. The big "free range" farm near me is huge.

Mom and pop raising chickens in the yard it ain't. This is an "industrial" organic farm. No kidding.

Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 05:02 PM (AiIXu)

108 Wow. That snake, Jeremy Corbyn is letting that pos George Galloway back into the party. Can this shadow government get any more scuzzy?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!

They could bring in Paul Ryan.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 20, 2015 05:02 PM (FkBIv)

109 Slap, do we call you Willie or Bill?,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 05:03 PM (voOPb)

110
NewsBusters

CBS News Edited Out Harsh Critique of Obama, U.S. 'Militarism' by Muslim Focus Group

http://ow.ly/W9ohs

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 05:04 PM (iQIUe)

111 Fenelon: The Prayer of St. Francis is one that I have permanently tacked to my work station. I will ask strength for the rest of the congregation.

-Might love find its way, through Our Lord Jesus Christ.

-Might your illness, and that of others, be fleeting and strength be granted.

-Might the misguided find a path, through God.

...In Jesus' Name, I pray.

*amen*

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:04 PM (OQ9R7)

112 Grammie sounds like she has too muc $$$ to throw around.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who
drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 05:01 PM (voOPb)
=================================================

She's actual very frugal in most every other way, and wildly generous when it comes to our church or to foster kids or to anyone in need. So I take the good with the crazy.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:04 PM (dFi94)

113 Dang.

HP, I WASN"T referring to someone like you. Edit? No why do you ask?

Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 05:04 PM (AiIXu)

114 Prayers, Fenelon. May you and yours have a blessed feast of the Nativity, certain people notwithstanding.

Food.

So far this weekend, I've managed a pheasant and chestnut terrine, one country pate, and a bunch of individual mincemeat pies are currently making my kitchen smell good. Not bad for an insanely busy weekend before Christmas.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 20, 2015 05:05 PM (pLwjI)

115 Weft's Carnitas

4 lbs pork shoulder or butt or whatever with lots of fat
(no tender loin)
1 orange, juiced
3 garlic cloves, smashed whole
1 small onion, sliced thin
3 or 4 whole cloves, 1 sprig of oregano, some whole pepper corns in a tied off cheesecloth or teabag
3 cups of water or combo water, beer, or chix broth.

Slice the pork up into chunks, remove skin if it's still on. Don't remove the bulk of the fatty parts.

Put e'rrything into a big dutch oven/ pot.

Bring to a boil on the stove, then lower to a simmer. Slow and low for 2 hours. You're trying to boil off most of the liquid. Stir occasionally but not needed.

After 2 hours the liquid should be only an inch or so left. Test for doneness; should shred easily. Remove the spice bag.

Pull off stove, let rest covered in the liquid until cool enough to shred with forks.

Shred, removing any bone, cartilage, miscellaneous connective tissue that looks bad.

In batches if necessary, spread the shredded pork and juice onto a foil-lined cookie sheet evenly.

Blast it under a hot broiler until the pork starts crisping up. Pull it out a couple of times to flip the pork if you are a perfectionist. Otherwise, just standby and check it occasionally. It will burn in a matter of seconds if unattended, so be careful.

Pull when crisped to your taste.

Serve with hot tortillas, sour cream, cotija cheese, salsa, etc.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 05:05 PM (9YDUz)

116 "No problem."
-Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 04:57 PM (dFi94)

*HAH!*

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:06 PM (OQ9R7)

117 113 Dang.

HP, I WASN"T referring to someone like you. Edit? No why do you ask?
Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 05:04 PM (AiIXu)

ha I know what you meant. No big deal.

I'm just saying that the whole organic "movement" is not all bullshit, and that I do like the idea of "sourcing locally" for no reason other than it creates jobs in my local area.

But yes, like with anything -- lots of bullshit involved. LOTS. A buddy of mine who owns a farm sent me a video (can't find it, unfortunately) of the grocery store "free range" chickens. Basically a big factory with thousands and thousands of chickens with a tiny outdoor area in the parking lot connected to the building that maybe a few dozen chickens could fit in at a time.

So yes, I agree, much of the "organic" stuff on a mass scale is eye-roll worthy.

But nothing wrong with supporting your local farmers if you're lucky enough to live in an area that still has small farms.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 05:09 PM (AkOaV)

118 I'm going to a friend's house this week for our annual cookie decorating jamboree. I'm going to bake gingerbread persons and I'd like to give them some extra kick. Can you add crystalized ginger to the mix? Or cayenne?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 20, 2015 05:09 PM (jR7Wy)

119 97
If you only saw what my chickens eat, it's disgusting. They eat mice. The egg producing farm closed here so I am not sure, but the dairy and cattle farmers do not give the animals hormones. They only give antibiotics if they are needed.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:09 PM (BHl9S)

120 Oh yeah, salt after shredding, to taste.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 05:10 PM (9YDUz)

121 But nothing wrong with supporting your local farmers if you're lucky enough to live in an area that still has small farms.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 05:09 PM (AkOaV)

Agreed without reservation.

Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 05:10 PM (AiIXu)

122 Can you add crystalized ginger to the mix? Or cayenne?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage

The crystalized ginger would make them spicy and kick up the flavor, I think.

Posted by: Bruce at December 20, 2015 05:11 PM (8ikIW)

123 The reason farmers keep the animals in an enclosed environment is because of disease, predators. They control the environment. Farmers aren't cruel people, the is a reason.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:14 PM (BHl9S)

124 I support local bakeries by not making homemade cookies.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:14 PM (dFi94)

125
I support local bakeries by not making homemade cookies.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:14 PM (dFi94)

Priorities!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 05:15 PM (ftVQq)

126 I don't know if I would add cayenne to a cookie that didn't have fruit in it. Maybe peanut-butter cookies, with cumin as an Indian-type deal?

I'm not a baker, so I'm just guessing now.

...I'll see myself out.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:15 PM (OQ9R7)

127 I used to have my own laying hens and they were free to roam mostly, until the coyotes and neighbors dogs started taking a toll. Any way you could tell by the yolks that they were not caged. Very dark yellow yolks compared to the pale yellow ones at the store.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:15 PM (mUa7N)

128 >>> I support local bakeries by not making homemade cookies.

Are they free range cookies?

Posted by: fluffy at December 20, 2015 05:15 PM (AfsKp)

129 The best eggs I've ever eaten came from my sis, who has a mini-farm a few hours away. Whenever she comes to town, she brings me a couple dozen.
It's convinced me to do whatever I have to do (fighting city hall) to have a few yardbirds here at home. I'm in the city, and it's legal (finally) to have a few birds, but the red tape process is ridiculous.
I have a frigging acre, fercryingoutloud. And it ain't your business what I do on my own property!

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:16 PM (V6E6P)

130 Everytime the chickens eat a nest of baby mice, my husband laughs and says it's free range organic.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:16 PM (BHl9S)

131 Swedish baked goods are known for their blandness and their cardamom. Swedes love beige food.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:18 PM (dFi94)

132 Fenelon is always strong for others, should never feel bad about asking for help.

Mini-SW review - a good movie, an *okay* Star Wars. Many flaws didn't ruin it but were still there. Hoping they beat the odds and make the second one better.

Now I want to bounce ideas off people but it's too spoilerish. *Potentially* they've set up what could be a good story *or* a bad story, hard to say. Except now we have to wait.

As to food, not hungry.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 20, 2015 05:18 PM (bLnSU)

133 127
We just have a few hens as well. My friends are dairy and cattle farmers.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:18 PM (BHl9S)

134 123 The reason farmers keep the animals in an enclosed environment is because of disease, predators. They control the environment. Farmers aren't cruel people, the is a reason.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:14 PM (BHl9S)

Oh I know that. But if I have an option to eat eggs from healthy chickens who live in a coop or outside, or eggs from here http://tinyurl.com/jjkohv3 at the same price... I mean, which would you choose?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 05:18 PM (AkOaV)

135 >>eggs has the little chickens in "chicken tractors" and the bigger ones roam around. Including in the parking lot, so you have to pull in slowly. They put them all in a big coop at night.

My parents have chickens and they climb (or fly?) over the coop and run around in the yard. And the eggs taste pretty good.

The problem with grocery store free range stuff is that the definition is pretty lax. The idea is for the chickens to be able to wander around and eat bugs and stuff.

I am sympathetic to close to nature/local arguments for food. Less convinced about gmos and organic.

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 05:18 PM (aUjAM)

136 Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:16 PM (V6E6P)

Um yeah, about that "your land" idea...we prefer the term "renter".

Posted by: Office of Property Tax Collector at December 20, 2015 05:19 PM (AiIXu)

137 Filthy Scandis. They'll never be "Good People"!!!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:19 PM (OQ9R7)

138
Jimmy Carter's grandson died suddenly. A bit strange looking - earring and beads.

http://goo.gl/CneEyy

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 05:20 PM (iQIUe)

139 Off dirty publican sock!

Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 05:20 PM (AiIXu)

140 >>peanut-butter cookies, with cumin as an Indian-type deal?

Sorry but that sounds so so gross.

Cardamom seems to be the popular add to cookies exotic spice, but I haven't tried to make cookies with it yet.

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 05:20 PM (aUjAM)

141 William Shatner's words of experience.

https://youtu.be/EYkRF_FmD40?t=24s

Because it's topical. Ok, actually I've been begging for an excuse to use this.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2015 05:21 PM (VdICR)

142 Are they free range cookies?

Posted by: fluffy at December 20, 2015 05:15 PM (AfsKp)
==========================================

No I have to keep them locked in my car so when I go over to my daughter's, I can sneak them out one by one to the grandkids. No lie. If you looked on my front seat right now, you'd see a bag of lollipops, a tin of cookies and a jar of Gummi Worms. I come prepared.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:21 PM (dFi94)

143 I would eat the eggs from the free range as well, but I bet if the hipsters who only eat organic saw what happens they wouldn't eat them.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:22 PM (BHl9S)

144
118 I'm going to a friend's house this week for our annual cookie decorating jamboree. I'm going to bake gingerbread persons and I'd like to give them some extra kick. Can you add crystalized ginger to the mix? Or cayenne?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 20, 2015 05:09 PM (jR7Wy)

============
Crystalized meth would work.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 05:22 PM (iQIUe)

145 Bah the real Slapweasel is ten feet tall.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2015 05:22 PM (VdICR)

146 I'm not a baker
Posted by: Slapweasel

Are you a butcher? Or a candlestick maker?

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:23 PM (V6E6P)

147 Used to grow my own turkeys. Not as dumb as some people think. They would get in a line formation, go into the pasture and harvest the grasshoppers. They were a lot tastier and more moist than anything you could buy.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:24 PM (mUa7N)

148 131 Swedish baked goods are known for their blandness and their cardamom. Swedes love beige food.
Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:18 PM (dFi94)
---
Well I'm mostly Sicilian and Irish so I'll add either booze or the blood of Moorish invaders.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 20, 2015 05:24 PM (jR7Wy)

149 147 Used to grow my own turkeys. Not as dumb as some people think. They would get in a line formation, go into the pasture and harvest the grasshoppers. They were a lot tastier and more moist than anything you could buy.
Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:24 PM (mUa7N)
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The grasshoppers?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 20, 2015 05:25 PM (jR7Wy)

150 Don't get me wrong, our chickens roam free, but they get attacked, sick, and eat some disgusting stuff. They are lucky.
They have a good life.
I don't like seeing the chickens crammed in cages, but I know why the farmers do it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:26 PM (BHl9S)

151 Crystalized meth would work.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 05:22 PM (iQIUe)
----
*ponders*

*imagines friend's house blowing up*

Naaaahhhh...

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 20, 2015 05:26 PM (jR7Wy)

152 Grammie do you have a good cookie recipe using cardamom? I think I saw some sort of Swedish cardamom wreath/bread thing on Pinterest last year...

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 05:27 PM (aUjAM)

153 -Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 05:20 PM (aUjAM)

I know exactly why people don't like cumin. I don't blame them at all. My olfactory system and taste-buds aren't geared toward vinegar, cilantro, nor mushrooms of any kind.

Talented chefs find ways to "balance" those flavors so they don't overwhelm someone like me.

I can eat them, but I'd rather not be able to smell or taste them, as a rule.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:27 PM (OQ9R7)

154 Since I've seen cardamom mentioned

Best baking spice mix:

50% cinnamon

Equal parts cardamom, cloves, coriander

Ginger to taste.

Use in anything calling for cinnamon.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 20, 2015 05:27 PM (GDulk)

155 No I have to keep them locked in my car so when I go over to my daughter's, I can sneak them out one by one to the grandkids. No lie. If you looked on my front seat right now, you'd see a bag of lollipops, a tin of cookies and a jar of Gummi Worms. I come prepared.
Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:21

Are you one of those grammie's that buys drum sets for the grandkids for payback?

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 20, 2015 05:28 PM (c/3OG)

156 The grasshoppers?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 20, 2015 05:25 PM (jR7Wy)

They were also moist.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:28 PM (mUa7N)

157 I've gotta try that chicken in milk.. sounds good!

For marinated chicken, we also do a soy sauce/lemon juice/olive oil/garlic mix.. come out great broiled, baked or on the grill.

As for locally grown.. the amount of energy it takes to keep a hot house warm enough to grow lettuce in a midwestern winter has to use way more than trucking it in from California. It's silly.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 20, 2015 05:28 PM (UpGcq)

158 Cumin smells like dirty socks.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:28 PM (BHl9S)

159 "Bah the real Slapweasel is ten feet tall."
-Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2015 05:22 PM (VdICR)

*Aye. An' he'd defeat the whole Chipotle army with flames from his arse!*

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:29 PM (OQ9R7)

160 157
Please keep buying California produce.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:30 PM (BHl9S)

161 Grammie do you have a good cookie recipe using
cardamom? I think I saw some sort of Swedish cardamom wreath/bread thing
on Pinterest last year...

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 05:27 PM (aUjAM)
=============================================

What you saw might have been Lucia buns. Swedes celebrate the feast of St. Lucia on December 13th, where you will typically see young girls wearing white robes, one of them wearing what looks like an Advent wreath. Lucia buns are a raised dough figure 8 shape usually, with a raisin or a candied cherry in the center. No, I don't make them anymore because, lazy. If you google "Lucia Buns Sweden" you should be able to find a recipe. And yes, they contain cardamom.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:31 PM (dFi94)

162 "Are you a butcher? Or a candlestick maker?"
-Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:23 PM (V6E6P)

I can field-dress a deer and wax isn't a particularly vexing material.

...so no.

...but there's that.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:31 PM (OQ9R7)

163 William Shatner's words of experience.
---
The Shat is always pushing the envelope and trying to cheat death!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 20, 2015 05:32 PM (jR7Wy)

164 Are you one of those grammie's that buys drum sets for the grandkids for payback?

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 20, 2015 05:28 PM (c/3OG)
================================================

Last year I bought three. Well, to be fair, there were horns and whistles and cymbals that came along with the drums. I didn't want anyone to feel left out.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:33 PM (dFi94)

165 I keep getting a warning that there is some malicious software on this site. Anyone else get that?

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:34 PM (mUa7N)

166 That might have been it grammie! I'm not making this year. I made this awesome cinnamon wreath thing last year, but we had it Christmas morning and it was awfully filling...Maybe in January.

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 05:34 PM (aUjAM)

167 Yeah, I've eaten at Chipotle twice. I'm not sold on it.

Posted by: no good deed at December 20, 2015 05:35 PM (GgxVX)

168 Cilantro? I'm one of those people that hate it - tastes like soap.
Cumin? I really don't like it, but will use it in moderation in certain recipes, like chilli.
Mushrooms? Never could stand them. Then again, I've never had the "good" kind like portabellos or shitake (or whatever else they rave about on the food shows).
Vinegar, on the other hand - I could drink that stuff out of the bottle...

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:35 PM (V6E6P)

169 Cumin smells like dirty socks.

Posted by: CaliGirl

That's one description for mixed company. I have a worse one.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 05:36 PM (9YDUz)

170 "I keep getting a warning that there is some malicious software on this site. Anyone else get that?"
-Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:34 PM (mUa7N)

Nope, but "doubleclick" and "Google" aren't what I would call "friends".

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:36 PM (OQ9R7)

171 Crystalized meth would work.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 20, 2015 05:22 PM (iQIUe)

----

*ponders*

*imagines friend's house blowing up*

Naaaahhhh...
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 20, 2015 05:26 PM

Wow...you're no fun.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 20, 2015 05:37 PM (pLwjI)

172 CaliGirl, my mother-in-law swears up and down that she hates cumin, but she loves Mexican food. Every time I cook with cumin, she mentions how much she hates it, then, proceeds to chow down. I think she just dislikes the smell of it in the container.

Posted by: no good deed at December 20, 2015 05:37 PM (GgxVX)

173 Yeah, I've eaten at Chipotle twice. I'm not sold on it.

Posted by: no good deed at December 20, 2015 05:35 PM (GgxVX)

Wife and I ate there a couple of times. It was OK, but certainly not a place to rave about, and now, in the interest of social justice, they're on my places to avoid list!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 05:37 PM (ftVQq)

174 I like cilantro, when my husband has walked a field of it he stinks. I wash his coat immediately his truck smells too.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:37 PM (BHl9S)

175 No good deed, I use it too I just don't like the way it smells in the bottle.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:38 PM (BHl9S)

176 Brb: gotta drop the kids off at the pool

Posted by: Hillary Redham Clinton at December 20, 2015 05:38 PM (7v/r5)

177 I like cumin fine where it belongs, but never Ina cookie.

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 05:39 PM (aUjAM)

178
As for locally grown.. the amount of energy it takes to keep a hot house warm enough to grow lettuce in a midwestern winter has to use way more than trucking it in from California. It's silly.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 20, 2015 05:28 PM (UpGcq)

Heh, obviously its seasonal.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 05:40 PM (AkOaV)

179 OT Grammie Winger,
I believe you suggested the Moody Bible Commentary in a thread earlier this week. Thanks. I picked up a copy and it looks to be very helpful.

Posted by: JTB at December 20, 2015 05:40 PM (FvdPb)

180 Lea, I agree a cookie sounds disgusting.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:40 PM (BHl9S)

181 Count me as one who likes cilantro. We tried to grow some last summer. It was mostly a failure.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:41 PM (mUa7N)

182 "Vinegar, on the other hand - I could drink that stuff out of the bottle..."
-Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:35 PM (V6E6P)

*HAH!* I did exactly that when I was three-years-old. I thought it was water. Turned me off ever-since.

And while I wouldn't put balsamic vinegar on my desserts, I can handle it much easier. Most people would put that on their freaking pie!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:41 PM (OQ9R7)

183 Grammie,
Enjoying the food talk too much. When it dies down, I'll ask a question or two - not life threatening by any means.
If you'd rather chat off the blog, I have no qualms about throwing my email addy out here.

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:42 PM (V6E6P)

184 As for Chipotle -- I like it. I mean, it is what it is -- casual dining fast food. Not something I'd recommend people go out of their way to eat, but certainly preferable to a lot of other fast food choices.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 05:42 PM (AkOaV)

185 Cilantro? I'm one of those people that hate it - tastes like soap.
Cumin? I really don't like it, but will use it in moderation in certain recipes, like chilli.
Mushrooms? Never could stand them. Then again, I've never had the "good" kind like portabellos or shitake (or whatever else they rave about on the food shows).
Vinegar, on the other hand - I could drink that stuff out of the bottle...

I love all four of these things. I actually have drunk vinegar straight, but rather prefer it mixed with molasses and ginger (aka, "switzel," the Gatorade of the 18th century. Tastes like apple juice except molassesy, not applely...)

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 20, 2015 05:42 PM (bZ7mE)

186 Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:42 PM (V6E6P)

Don't tease us with the vinegar line and then try to go off-line!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 05:43 PM (ftVQq)

187 Speaking of weird cookie ingredients, has anyone ever made lavender cookies? My mother made some, and I was hesitant to eat them. They were pretty tasty though. I may make some when I make shortbread cookies this week.

Posted by: no good deed at December 20, 2015 05:43 PM (GgxVX)

188 OT Grammie Winger,

I believe you suggested the Moody Bible Commentary in a thread
earlier this week. Thanks. I picked up a copy and it looks to be very
helpful.

Posted by: JTB at December 20, 2015 05:40 PM (FvdPb)
===============================================

Oh! You're welcome! I think it's a wonderful and very thoroughly researched tool for study. I hope you find it useful - I certainly have.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:44 PM (dFi94)

189 181 Ronster, we grow acres of it. I know it is one of the few things we direct seed. It doesn't transplant well. I hope that helps. They over seed it then a crew comes through and thins it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:44 PM (BHl9S)

190 Cumin "hides" in peanut butter. It also dances with citrus very well. Smelling it in the bottle doesn't offend me, but I've heard it compared to some some unsavory things that I won't repeat... lol.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:45 PM (OQ9R7)

191 I like vinegar, balsamic on ice cream is really good.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 05:45 PM (BHl9S)

192 Alton Brown's recipe for candied pecans called for cumin. Nasty.
Second batch, I cut it in half. Ugh.
Third batch, I substituted ginger - as Charlie Sheen would say, Winning.

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:45 PM (V6E6P)

193 Rule of thumb: if it cost less money to buy, it probably used les energy to produce since energy is one of the most significant costs in all products whether it be food or cars or computers.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 20, 2015 05:45 PM (z+4T3)

194 Grammie,

Enjoying the food talk too much. When it dies down, I'll ask a question or two - not life threatening by any means.

If you'd rather chat off the blog, I have no qualms about throwing my email addy out here.

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:42 PM (V6E6P)
===================================================
Oh, you could probably just toss it out here and see what we've got. Can't guarantee I can be of any assistance, but I'm still sober so that makes the odds a little better.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 05:46 PM (dFi94)

195 CaliGirl, thanks for the tip. Transplanting may have been the problem.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:47 PM (mUa7N)

196 I keep getting a warning that there is some malicious software on this site. Anyone else get that?
Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:34 PM

I got that too ronster. AVG Free caught it.

Posted by: Farmer at December 20, 2015 05:47 PM (o/90i)

197 Yes Ronster, I get that too.

Posted by: Infidel at December 20, 2015 05:48 PM (2G5jG)

198 Poaching in milk is a classic franch technique. Usually for feesh.
Poaching chix in milk seems like an exercise for those that don't like
crispy skin.

Molly Stevens uses that technique to fine effect on pork loin in "All About Braising", i.e. "Milk-Braised Pork with Sage Lemon", p. 348.

Putting cinnamon in with the chicken this way gives it a bit of a Moroccan flair...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 20, 2015 05:48 PM (LUlyE)

199 Yes Ronster, I get that too.
Posted by: Infidel at December 20, 2015 05:48 PM (2G5jG)

Good to know it isn't just me. I think IE catches mine.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:51 PM (mUa7N)

200 Huma!

E-mail someone to come into the bathroom and help me get my FUPA back in my Spanx. They can also show me how to flush this new fangled toilet without the chain.

Posted by: Hillary at December 20, 2015 05:51 PM (c7vUv)

201 One thing I cannot get enough of is sesame seeds. I'd put those on ice-cream! Tahini, sesame-oil on anything from that region?

Yes!

I add extra inside of the "Dagwood"-style sandwiches I often enjoy!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:52 PM (OQ9R7)

202 I keep getting a warning that there is some malicious software on this site. Anyone else get that?
Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:34 PM

Must be the presence of a Troll, RINO, or SHILL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 20, 2015 05:53 PM (DUoqb)

203 Grey Fox,
My best friend from HS would come over to visit on occasion. I'd tell him "your turn to go grab a beer."
He'd go to the fridge...
Couple days later, I'd go to grab a pickle, and the jar would be dry...

That fucker drank pickle juice like it was ambrosia - And he snuck it!
Gross, man.
I guess I would be embarrassed about that, too.

RIP, Dan.

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:54 PM (V6E6P)

204 Seriously, with the Hillary and Huma in the Freaking Food Thread?

I'm a go make chili and grab some beer.

Later, gators.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:54 PM (OQ9R7)

205 Sneaked?

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 05:56 PM (V6E6P)

206 Food Bleg:

I tried this the other day.

http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/ waffled-bacon-cheddar-grits

Did not work at all. Steamed like mad in the pre-heated, buttered waffle iron. Broke and stuck completely to both sides of the iron.

Had to let it cool off and scrape the pieces out.

Posted by: DaveA at December 20, 2015 05:56 PM (DL2i+)

207 Must be the presence of a Troll, RINO, or SHILL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 20, 2015 05:53 PM (DUoqb)

Could be some type of flower.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:56 PM (mUa7N)

208 A fun thread and most enjoyable, but pups are calling for dinner!

MBBL.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 05:56 PM (ftVQq)

209 a Family Cookbook.

Mom tried multiple times (including watching) to duplicate Grandma's apple crisp. Never succeeded.

Posted by: DaveA at December 20, 2015 05:59 PM (DL2i+)

210 ..."Had to let it cool off and scrape the pieces out."
-Posted by: DaveA at December 20, 2015 05:56 PM (DL2i+)

The longest running joke about waffle irons is that "The First One Will ALWAYS Suck".

I don't know why, but that has been the case since the Dawn of Time.

No matter the non-stick spray, fat, surface, etc...

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:00 PM (OQ9R7)

211 I once had chicken that was marinading in milk for a day, then fried.
Best I ever ate.

Posted by: navybrat at December 20, 2015 06:00 PM (Xodlv)

212 Posted by: DaveA at December 20, 2015 05:56 PM (DL2i+)

Never had good luck with non-waffles in a waffle iron.

But, form the basics of this recipe into cakes/patties and fry them in bacon grease and you'll do fine.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 06:00 PM (ftVQq)

213 Navybrat, I have always made fried chicken the way grandma did. Then I started soaking it in buttermilk for a day before. It was the best.

Posted by: Infidel at December 20, 2015 06:03 PM (2G5jG)

214 "I once had chicken that was marinading in milk for a day, then fried.
Best I ever ate."
-Posted by: navybrat at December 20, 2015 06:00 PM (Xodlv)

There's something in milk that breaks down connective tissues and adds flavor. Buttermilk is most-often used because of the acidic properties of whatever is happening.

I don't Science much, but when I do?

I'm making you a Restaurant Quality Fiesta.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:04 PM (OQ9R7)

215 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 04:53 PM (AkOaV)

No....and unfortunately it's tough to search AoSHQ. One day I will post a list, but that day isn't soon.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 20, 2015 06:04 PM (Zu3d9)

216 202 I keep getting a warning that there is some malicious software on this site. Anyone else get that?
Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 05:34 PM

Must be the presence of a Troll, RINO, or SHILL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 20, 2015 05:53 PM (DUoqb)

It's probably one of the ads. Trolls, RINOs or SHILLs can't put anything on the blog itself besides a comment (which may include a link to malware).

Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 06:04 PM (EzgxV)

217 Then I started soaking it in buttermilk for a day before. It was the best.
Posted by: Infidel at December 20, 2015 06:03 PM (2G5jG)

Sounds better than KFC. They soak theirs in grease for a day.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 06:06 PM (mUa7N)

218 Oh... that "something" is enzymes. I still can't tell you much more than that.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:06 PM (OQ9R7)

219 Prayers comin' Fenelon.

Posted by: cfomahm at December 20, 2015 06:06 PM (RfzVr)

220 Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 05:52 PM (OQ9R7)

You can make your own hummus very easily (I think I posted a recipe a long time ago), and tahini sauce is even easier! And it is fantastic on sandwiches.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 20, 2015 06:07 PM (Zu3d9)

221 ..."are", even. ..."are enzymes".

Not your enzymes. Are enzymes.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:07 PM (OQ9R7)

222 I am heartened by "Mechanical cleaning with a dishwashing machine can be done successfully with plastic surfaces (even if knife-scarred) and wooden boards especially made for this", 'cause that's why I went to plastic.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 06:07 PM (EzgxV)

223 Hi, Infidel.
(Shhh - don't tell anyone, but it's me, Chi, aka shredded chi)

Grammie - I guess the food talk has slowed. And Hrothgar brought up puppies, so unless Barack comes in to ask for recipes...

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:07 PM (V6E6P)

224 No....and unfortunately it's tough to search AoSHQ. One day I will post a list, but that day isn't soon.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 20, 2015 06:04 PM (Zu3d9)

ok no problem.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 06:09 PM (AkOaV)

225 -Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 20, 2015 06:07 PM (Zu3d9)

Yup! I've done both tahini and hummus. I'm not much of a garbanzo bean/chick pea fan. But once you add sesame seeds?

Dayum!

They become that "background", much like "refried" beans.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:10 PM (OQ9R7)

226 So it's true!
Elder Gods can actually come out while the sun is shining!

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:12 PM (V6E6P)

227 Grammie - I guess the food talk has slowed. And Hrothgar brought up puppies, so unless Barack comes in to ask for recipes...

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:07 PM (V6E6P)
====================================================

Might as well hang out here. The Packers are stinking up the joint.

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 06:12 PM (dFi94)

228 Sorry, but there is a difference in milk. Most milk is ultra pasteurized and it does change the taste. I do like to buy non-homogenized milk when I can. There is a WA state dairy that sells through a local market. It's from Jersey cows and comes in glass bottles. It's wonderful stuff. If you tasted it and regular store milk, you'd know why people have gone to almond and soy milk. They don't know what real milk tastes like.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 20, 2015 06:13 PM (Lqy/e)

229 So, listening to the radio this AM, I heard a program that was asking the question "Is Saudi Arabia responsible for IS?"

They came up with answer "No, but it's more complicated than that."

Talked about the connection between Al-Saud and al-Wahab back in 1744, renewed in 1932. Called Wahabism 'intolerant', talked about KSA exporting it.

The program was pithy and direct. The thing that blew me away was that it was broadcast on BBC World Service.

Posted by: fluffy at December 20, 2015 06:15 PM (AfsKp)

230 Almonds and soybeans don't have teats. They can't make milk from those.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:16 PM (OQ9R7)

231 Heh.
Today's task, before I spread a few tons of mulch, was sanding down my yuge, thick cutting board. Then I scrubbed it with bleach.
Waiting for it to dry before I rub it with mineral oil.

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:16 PM (V6E6P)

232 When I was young, my dad had a dairy. I drank non-homogenized (nasty cream scum at the top), non-pasteurized milk. Put me off milk for the rest of my life.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 06:17 PM (mUa7N)

233 Cleaning plastic cutting boards is much easier than cooking your turkey with a drone-powered flamethrower.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Fritz at December 20, 2015 06:19 PM (BngQR)

234 I used to work at a commercial egg ranch. They give the chickens just enough calcium to keep the shells hard. When you change out the houses, it's not uncommon to break a chickens leg.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 20, 2015 06:20 PM (Lqy/e)

235 229 So, listening to the radio this AM, I heard a program that was asking the question "Is Saudi Arabia responsible for IS?"

They came up with answer "No, but it's more complicated than that."

Talked about the connection between Al-Saud and al-Wahab back in 1744, renewed in 1932. Called Wahabism 'intolerant', talked about KSA exporting it.

The program was pithy and direct. The thing that blew me away was that it was broadcast on BBC World Service.
Posted by: fluffy at December 20, 2015 06:15 PM (AfsKp)

I think the ideological line can be drawn more clearly from ISIS to the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb.

That being said, yeah KSA is responsible for ISIS -- they, the rest of the gulf states, Turkey, the US, and our European allies funded the "moderate opposition" against Assad, including a lot of people and groups that make up the group we now call ISIS.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 06:20 PM (AkOaV)

236 Ronster, ooh that is nasty. I liked watching them pull the calves.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 06:20 PM (BHl9S)

237 Just texted the cook, told me that he soaked the chicken in buttermilk.
The guy is friend of mine who has us over for dinner from to time. Fantastic cook.

Posted by: navybrat at December 20, 2015 06:21 PM (Xodlv)

238 232 When I was young, my dad had a dairy. I drank non-homogenized (nasty cream scum at the top), non-pasteurized milk. Put me off milk for the rest of my life.
Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 06:17 PM (mUa7N)

I have a good friend that bragged he never got a cold because he drank un-pasteurized milk when he was growing up.

I reminded him of that a few years ago when he had a cold. I haven't heard that story since.

Posted by: Golfman at December 20, 2015 06:22 PM (48QDY)

239 -Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:16 PM (V6E6P)

When you sand wood, you close the pores...

...right?

From years of washing decks, I wouldn't want to stain a sanded deck.

Oil and water products are completely different, but wouldn't it be better to run it through a planer?

I'm sincerely asking because I've not seen stain take well to sanded wood. Oil or water based.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:23 PM (OQ9R7)

240 >>> I think the ideological line can be drawn more clearly from ISIS to the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb.

The Muslim Brotherhood also got some air time.

They'll be protesting the BBC this Friday, I reckon.

Posted by: fluffy at December 20, 2015 06:24 PM (AfsKp)

241 To all the Morons of the Horde who have helped make my Christmas far brighter. Thank you so much.

https://www.gofundme.com/8k4zdgw9

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 20, 2015 06:25 PM (nGyiN)

242 Made an interesting discovery. Cinnamon is pretty good in soup. I put in ground turkey, 2 sweet potato's, 2 squash, 1 onion, 4 carrots, and chicken broth all in a crockpot. Added salt/pepper, ground sage, and cinnamon. Let it cook on slow for 8-9 hours. It sounded good in my head. Turned out much better than I expected. Its really good.

Posted by: Puddleglum@work at December 20, 2015 06:27 PM (syGA0)

243 I don't have anybody else to give presents to, Anna.

Posted by: rickl at December 20, 2015 06:27 PM (sdi6R)

244 CaliGirl, growing up on a dairy farm, I've seen stuff that would make most people cringe. My dad couldn't afford a vet or so he thought. Tried pulling calves with a tractor. Of course usually lost the cow and calf. Seen pigs get some kind of crippling disease and slowly die in the corral. Seen him try to save a bloated calf by sticking it with my pocket knife, of course it died on the spot. Lots more stuff that doesn't come to mind right now.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 06:28 PM (mUa7N)

245 Your simple chicken recipe looks pretty similar to something I'd make in college. Legs and thighs were generally cheap, so I'd buy a mess of them. The actual recipe would vary according to what I had in the house at the time, but the name never changed.

When my roommates would ask what I was putting out on the table, my answer was always the same:

"Chicken-shut-up-and-eat-it"

Posted by: harbqll at December 20, 2015 06:29 PM (H7FDN)

246 Grammie - I guess the food talk has slowed. And Hrothgar brought up puppies, so unless Barack comes in to ask for recipes...

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:07 PM (V6E6P)

=============================================

So sorry my friend but I just had a phone call and have to run. Family calls. Can we catch up later on down the line? Thanks

Posted by: grammie winger, O Come Emmanuel at December 20, 2015 06:31 PM (dFi94)

247 OK, Grammie -
My vet told me that she won't sell me another heartworm pill for Tucker after this one until I bring him in for a heartworm test. On top of that, I need an annual exam, a leptospirosis shot, rabies, a fecal test, blah blah blah.

I'm faced with over $300 that I really can't afford. Does he need the heartworm stuff in the winter? Fleas/ticks are dormant this time of year...
Do I really need to worry about this Lepto crap?

If I have to pay $100 for an annual checkup (3 minutes), I might as well switch to the vet right here in the neighborhood, I think.
He's 3. And actually loves going to the vet (he's the smartest idiot!). I don't think he'd even notice the difference - is there a really good reason that I should keep him at the current vet?

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:33 PM (V6E6P)

248 Cthulhu,
Both Teri & I searched all December posts to see if we could find any other posts from OG American Celtic & came up with nothing.

Posted by: Carol at December 20, 2015 06:33 PM (sj3Ax)

249 Shit...

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:33 PM (V6E6P)

250 When a large animal died, dad would get in touch, some how, no phones, with a guy that would come and winch it on his truck and take it somewhere. Probably Chipotles.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 06:34 PM (mUa7N)

251 If you have small animals running through your yard and the dog drinks from puddles, then Lepto is important.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:35 PM (OQ9R7)

252 As a result, it is logical to find the most efficient spots to grow fruits and vegetables and, from there, to ship them to other regions.

Shipping food is the greatest thing to have happened to low income people. I live in Michigan and I can have pretty much any fruit or vegetables I want in the middle of winter at surprisingly low prices. Poor people can buy a bag of lettuce for a buck. Roma tomatoes for 90 cents a pound, a one pound bag of carrots for 50 cents, a pineapple for 2 dollars, or a bag of oranges for 3 dollars.

All environmentalism does is make things harder on poor people.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 06:35 PM (kGrwF)

253 "Chicken-shut-up-and-eat-it"

Can I steal the name, or is there a recipe that has to go with it?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 20, 2015 06:35 PM (YJmuy)

254 "Can I steal the name, or is there a recipe that has to go with it?"
-Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 20, 2015 06:35 PM (YJmuy)

I have a feeling that the nomenclature is fairly ubiquitous! ...lol.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:38 PM (OQ9R7)

255 244
My husband's friends are dairy farmers. I would get upset if there was something bad and walk away. My husband would go help him I watched them grab the feet of the calf and tie a rope around its feet the other end attached to a gate so they could use that to pull it. I'm sure all kinds of terrible stuff happened. I liked the kitties that hung around for the milk. They used machines to milk the cows.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 06:41 PM (BHl9S)

256 As far as spending a fortune on organic produce. I grew up on a fruit farm where my father and many men I knew as a child spent years spraying their orchards with insecticides. My dad lived to the age of 97 years and 11 months. No cancer. Most of the men from my childhood lived into their eighties.

Insecticides and fertilizers are partly responsible for the high yield of edible produce, which results in cheap food for poor people.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 06:42 PM (kGrwF)

257 I'll consider carbon emissions to be a problem when Al Gore and all those rich azzholes in Hollywood give up flying in private jets.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 06:43 PM (kGrwF)

258
To all the Morons of the Horde who have helped make my Christmas far brighter. Thank you so much.

You are most certainty welcome, Anna...

Posted by: Anonymous Fail! at December 20, 2015 06:44 PM (4DCSq)

259 >>> Insecticides and fertilizers are partly responsible for the high yield of edible produce, which results in cheap food for poor people.

It's like we forget where we came from if no one reminds us.

Posted by: fluffy at December 20, 2015 06:44 PM (AfsKp)

260 All environmentalism does is make things harder on poor people.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 06:35 PM (kGrwF)

Yes. And yet, they consistently vote for theft because they think it's someone else who's being extorted for their EBT cards instead of them.

Who are they idiot knuckledraggers, again?

"greenhouse gasses"

Put that in your fucking advertisement and you'll never get my business.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 20, 2015 06:44 PM (WWdgA)

261 Chi

Do you have mosquitos? I'd you do heart worm is necessary
Do you have ticks? Ticks carry Lepto & other diseases

Go get a blood test on Tucker

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 06:45 PM (voOPb)

262 For a food thread -
Cilantro - hate the stuff and we do homemade "Mexican" often
Chipotles - they're around never been
Vinegar - in ice cream? Why?

Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 06:46 PM (k0xxN)

263 Ronster, only one of his friends still has the dairy cows. The kids run it now. They all grow produce now. There was no money in the dairy. They liked selling the baby bulls. If something died out there I don't know what they did with it. I never asked. Those were the biggest cows I have ever seen. Black and white and taller than me.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 06:46 PM (BHl9S)

264 Slap,
I'm only 10 or 11 feet above sea level.
It rained three days ago, and there are still puddles in the yard. Yeah, s t and in water is an issue. I had never heard of Lepto until a year or so ago...
A few days ago, I watched the little stinker run 75 feet & grab a running mouse in the front yard. He dropped it at my feet & sat proudly. (He's fast as shit!)
I guess I should pay for that shot, huh?

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:48 PM (V6E6P)

265 Yields are up because of better seeds, and pest management. Better yields on less ground is a good thing.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 06:50 PM (BHl9S)

266 Day 3 of Mrs. Farmer's flu, she can't eat much of anything. So far just tapioca, Kraft mac & cheese and Lipton's chicken noodle soup.

So again I've got to fend for myself. Pulled a pack of 6 frozen chicken legs today, no time for the marinade. Just salt, pepper and garlic powder on some, lemon-pepper on others.

Not fine dining but I think I'll like them just fine. Been awhile for chicken, sounds good to me.

Posted by: Farmer at December 20, 2015 06:51 PM (o/90i)

267 "Insecticides and fertilizers are partly responsible for the high yield of edible produce, which results in cheap food for poor people."
-Posted by: nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 06:42 PM (kGrwF)

Not only that, but GMO simply means that they want potatoes that will resist blight. Taking those that are resistant and splicing them with those that will grow larger isn't exactly throwing something in the face of God.

...or Gaia.

...or whatever they're consuming nowadays.

I remember corn in the Seventies and Eighties being smaller, less-sweet, with spotty kernels and often having worms.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:51 PM (OQ9R7)

268 CaliGirl, helping a cow with birth is fine and necessary in some cases. The calf has to be coming out right though. Not backwards, not with a front leg hung up or some other problem. Have you ever watched the Dr. Pol show? He's a vet in MI. Gives you an idea of what needs to be done. There are actual calf pullers that pull against the cows rump with a chain on the calf's legs.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 06:51 PM (mUa7N)

269 Higher yields are due to better hybrid seeds, not pesticides or fertilizer. In 1982 the yield per acre of broccoli was 300 cartons. Now it's 700.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 06:54 PM (BHl9S)

270 I asked my husband, he says some commodities yields are higher than others.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 06:55 PM (BHl9S)

271 ..."I guess I should pay for that shot, huh?"
-Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:48 PM (V6E6P)

Yup. Mice are one of the carriers of Lepto. And fleas are still around, on other forms of life seeking shelter in your garage and the like. Even in the Winter.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:55 PM (OQ9R7)

272 MisHum,
He has never missed a pill, shot or appt. Don't worry. I will suffer before he does. He eats ette than I do.
Best friend & all that shit...
But, yeah we have mosquitos - not until summer, but sure, we get them bad come summer.
I just hate thinking that I'm getting screwed for another $�� just because they know they can do it. I trust any Moron more than I do the average doc or vet.

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:55 PM (V6E6P)

273 Ronster, is that on animal planet? I haven't watched that. I thought they said when the cow had her first calf bad things happened. After she had the first one they didn't have as many problems but they still had to watch or they could die.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 06:58 PM (BHl9S)

274 T,
Open your USB port - sending through some of Mom's homemade bread pudding. A tasty lemon sauce to follow...

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:58 PM (V6E6P)

275 The Great Lao-Tzu said:

It is only when you see a mosquito landing on your testicles that you come to realize that you can solve problems without using violence.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 06:59 PM (mUa7N)

276 Ronster, the dairyman friend stuck his arm in and pulled the calves legs out, then they would pull, if that didn't work they'd get a rope.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:00 PM (BHl9S)

277 T,
Open your USB port - sending through some of Mom's homemade bread pudding. A tasty lemon sauce to follow...

TY kindly. Sent an email earlier to your yahoo addy, you still use that one?

Posted by: Farmer at December 20, 2015 07:01 PM (o/90i)

278 Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 06:59 PM (mUa7N)

That LT say anything else because that was danged near the most profound thing I can remember reading in a long time.

Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 07:02 PM (AiIXu)

279 Hey everybody. Mmm, food thread. I just finished enjoying some of the fine cajun cuisine at Popeye's.

Call me crazy, and it's easy for me to float the idea because I'll probably never have the money to put behind my mouth, but I've often thought a "Central Southern" restaurant-- a place that offers New Mexican, Texan, *and* cajun/creole dishes, including classic southern-fried steak and chicken, would be a huge hit.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 07:03 PM (ntObR)

280 Probably doesn't really effect the quality of the eggs much, but it's certainly not a Tyson chicken factory where the chickens all live in little metal cages barely big enough to support them, and where they eat hormone-infused chicken feed instead of grass and bugs all day.

There was a commercial some time ago for Perdue chicken. Part of it was about how good their chicken is and that they don't give their chickens hormones. During that part of the ad in tiny type at the bottom of the screen is a mention that its against US law to sell chicken with hormones.

Posted by: buzzion at December 20, 2015 07:03 PM (z/Ubi)

281 96 May God bless you and keep you, turn Gods face to you and shine on you, May God grant you peace.

Posted by: Sanfranpsycho at December 20, 2015 07:03 PM (Vv/Pc)

282 Has food thread ever been tied to a wine pairing ?

Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 07:03 PM (k0xxN)

283 {They liked selling the baby bulls. If something died out there I don't know what they did with it. I never asked. Those were the biggest cows I have ever seen. Black and white and taller than me.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 06:46 PM (BHl9S)]

Baby bulls grow up to become meat. When we were kids my dad had a few beers at at my cousin's First Holy Communion party and bought a baby bull from my uncle for $15. We named him "TBone". When he got too big to handle, he went to live at my uncle's for awhile. Then we got a big load of beef.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 07:04 PM (kGrwF)

284 Ahha found the commercial. They try to talk big. And there it is at the bottom. "Federal law prohibits the use of hormones and steroids in poultry."

https://youtu.be/kBnXQXvA-p0

Posted by: buzzion at December 20, 2015 07:05 PM (z/Ubi)

285 CaliGirl, yes a first calf heifer usually has the most trouble.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 07:05 PM (mUa7N)

286 I trust any Moron more than I do the average doc or vet.

Posted by: The Least Interesting Man In The World at December 20, 2015 06:55 PM (V6E6P)

The vets have got a sweet racket carved out for themselves. But I think many dogs are surviving longer and in better health than ever before due to advances in veterinary medicine. My cumulative vet bills would probably have let me pay cash for the Porsche I don't drive!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 07:05 PM (ftVQq)

287 Cthulhu,

Did you ever find his email? I saw you were looking for it last night when I read the ONT this morning. I have it if you need it

Posted by: Molly k. at December 20, 2015 07:06 PM (kM2ec)

288 Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 07:03 PM (k0xxN)

We did have some unpleasantness with some guy who claimed to be some kinda wine nazi once. Many many moons ago. I forget who abused him and sent him crying for his MD 20/20 though.

Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 07:07 PM (AiIXu)

289 I irritate all the Ag people around here because I still call them girl cow & boy cow.
Heifer cow that hasn't had a baby
Cow girl cow that has had a baby
Steer cut boy cow
Bull uncut boy cow

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:08 PM (BHl9S)

290 I remember corn in the Seventies and Eighties being smaller, less-sweet, with spotty kernels and often having worms.
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 06:51 PM (OQ9R7)

My dad grew some corn. If it isn't sprayed with insecticides correctly, all of it gets worms.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 07:08 PM (kGrwF)

291 Did I get that right?

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:09 PM (BHl9S)

292 Best wishes to the Little Lady, Farmer!

Remember that scrambled eggs don't take that much work and you can add milk to stretch and cheese to flavor them!

For the Little Lady, it looks like you're doing well. Salt in the fluids help her retain them. I still like ginger ale. Not because it helps, but I remember Mom giving it to me when I was little.

Soup is good, man. Lipton's is 90% salt, which helps ...lol.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:09 PM (OQ9R7)

293 My dad grew some corn. If it isn't sprayed with insecticides correctly, all of it gets worms.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 07:08 PM (kGrwF)

In the near future, those worms will be termed organic protein supplement!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 07:10 PM (ftVQq)

294 cthulhu,
is it safe to email you at your aol addy?

Posted by: Farmer at December 20, 2015 07:10 PM (o/90i)

295 OT: Watching SyFy's faithful adaptation of Lev Grossman's "The Magicians" and it's really good.

What the hell happened to the SyFy of "Crocktopuss vs. Tyranoshark"?! They're putting out quality product and I hardly recognize the channel these days.

Confession: I enjoy "Z Nation" as much as, and sometimes more than, "The Walking Dead".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 20, 2015 07:11 PM (jR7Wy)

296 Nerdy girl they make good sweet corn seed now that doesn't get worms.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:11 PM (BHl9S)

297 nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 07:04 PM (kGrwF)

Baby bulls should be made into baby steers, if they become bulls, then hamburger is about all you're going to get.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 07:11 PM (mUa7N)

298 "That LT say anything else because that was danged near the most profound thing I can remember reading in a long time."
-Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 07:02 PM (AiIXu)

Comedian humor "truth". Too prevalent, but I wouldn't actively advocate against it.

You can still *flick* the mosquito with a certain level of precision.

Yeah... I just ruined the joke.

My bad, man.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:12 PM (OQ9R7)

299 Did I get that right?

Yes, I think.

If you really want to confuse them, point out that "cattle" is singular and that the plural is "kine." Or was, anyway.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 20, 2015 07:13 PM (bZ7mE)

300 295 OT: Watching SyFy's faithful adaptation of Lev Grossman's "The Magicians" and it's really good.

What the hell happened to the SyFy of "Crocktopuss vs. Tyranoshark"?! They're putting out quality product and I hardly recognize the channel these days.

Confession: I enjoy "Z Nation" as much as, and sometimes more than, "The Walking Dead".
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 20, 2015 07:11 PM (jR7Wy)

Oh I'm sure they're working on their next even more ridiculous Sharknado movie right now. But their series, they've always tried to make them at least somewhat quality. With mixed results of course.

Posted by: buzzion at December 20, 2015 07:14 PM (z/Ubi)

301 Did I get that right?
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:09 PM (BHl9S)

I think you got it.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 07:14 PM (mUa7N)

302 I am going to use that on the old time cattle ranchers that love to correct me. They get all bent out of shape when I say boy cow instead of steer.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:15 PM (BHl9S)

303 I love wine, mostly red and do like to find new to go with food but can't say I get it right much past generality. But great finds at cheaper prices are a welcome event. Of course what can be found in one state may not even see another not to mention the fascists who control the alcohol market in my state.

Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 07:15 PM (k0xxN)

304 "Call me crazy, and it's easy for me to float the idea because I'll probably never have the money to put behind my mouth, but I've often thought a "Central Southern" restaurant-- a place that offers New Mexican, Texan, *and* cajun/creole dishes, including classic southern-fried steak and chicken, would be a huge hit."
-Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 07:03 PM (ntObR)

Call it "Spice and Gravy" and I might just promote it.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:16 PM (OQ9R7)

305 I think the problem would be solved by more people standing on their cutting boards like Bobby Flay.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 20, 2015 07:16 PM (GdFQh)

306 The Least Interesting Man In The World

Had some company stop by.

Hi, I noticed the nic change earlier. Hope you are well! And the best to your and yours. Bless you.

Posted by: Infidel at December 20, 2015 07:16 PM (2G5jG)

307 The vets have got a sweet racket carved out for themselves.

I keep an open mind about what they charge. I knew a woman whose daughter got accepted into a school of veterinary medicine. It is a hugely expensive education.

That being said, there can be a lot of variation in what different vets charge. If a person is having a hard time paying for their pet's care, it pays to check around for someone less expensive. Someone above mentioned $300 for an exam. My vet's is much cheaper than that, but when you add a couple of shots and the heartworm test, it does get up there.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 07:18 PM (kGrwF)

308 I have never missed a TWD episode usually see them twice, tried getting into Z nation but it wasn't working for me

Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 07:18 PM (k0xxN)

309 "I think the problem would be solved by more people standing on their cutting boards like Bobby Flay."
-Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 20, 2015 07:16 PM (GdFQh)

That's going back quite a ways, Doc! Have any fresh Darva Conger jokes?

*poke*

(add gay smiley face here!)

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:20 PM (OQ9R7)

310
Nerdy girl they make good sweet corn seed now that doesn't get worms.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:11 PM (BHl9S)

I must admit, I sometimes think if the worms, that I don't think of as being high on the evolutionary scale, won't eat it, then...

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 07:21 PM (ftVQq)

311 *Taps*

This thing still on?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 07:21 PM (OkAU/)

312 CaliGirl, sorry I didn't answer you question about Dr. Pol show channel. I honestly can't remember. He won't be back on for awhile.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 07:21 PM (mUa7N)

313 Caligirl, people here were on me a while ago for saying'baby horse'.

Posted by: Lea at December 20, 2015 07:22 PM (aUjAM)

314 297 nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 07:04 PM (kGrwF)

Baby bulls should be made into baby steers, if they become bulls, then hamburger is about all you're going to get.
Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 07:11 PM (mUa7N)

Yeah, the local vet visited one day, and that got done. But he was still butting my brother, so he had to go live with the other boy cows on my uncle's place.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 20, 2015 07:23 PM (kGrwF)

315 CaliGirl, sorry I didn't answer you question about
Dr. Pol show channel. I honestly can't remember. He won't be back on
for awhile.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 07:21 PM (mUa7N)

If you like to watch good honest dedicated people at work, try to find Dr Pol reruns.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 07:23 PM (ftVQq)

316 *Taps*
"This thing still on?"
-Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 07:21 PM (OkAU/)

Touch that again and I take matters into my own hands. You feelin' me?

...wait.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:23 PM (OQ9R7)

317 Eat mor chikn

Posted by: Dairy cow in no danger of being slaughtered for meat at December 20, 2015 07:24 PM (GdFQh)

318 630

Posted by: hithere at December 20, 2015 07:24 PM (eADYx)

319 How to cook bacon with an AK-47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PastmpZnShQ

You're welcome.

Posted by: USA at December 20, 2015 07:24 PM (tfM+W)

320 Grey Fox at December 20, 2015 07:13 PM (bZ7mE)

I've never heard of that. I've heard of cattle ranches (more than one animal) but never heard of kine ranches.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 07:25 PM (mUa7N)

321 I consider myself a locovore because I live in Oregon and only drink Hood River vodka and Monarch rum.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 07:26 PM (q2o38)

322 Skip, I live in Santa Barbara county. We have a bunch of wineries. I die when I listen to the descriptions. The winemaker admitted they make a lot of that stuff up. A nice berry finish etc. they tell me drink what you like. Anyone can buy a good twenty $ bottle of wine. You have hit gold when you find a good 5 $ bottle

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:27 PM (BHl9S)

323 I've never heard of that. I've heard of cattle ranches (more than one animal) but never heard of kine ranches.
Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 07:25 PM (mUa7N)

That's where they raise the kith, too.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 07:27 PM (q2o38)

324 "...wait. "

Um.....wut?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 07:27 PM (OkAU/)

325 I've never heard the term "kine", either.

Oh, Wait! The 4:20 dudes are probably familiar!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:27 PM (OQ9R7)

326 "Um.....wut?"
-Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 07:27 PM (OkAU/)

I'm not explaining that joke, crotchpoker!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:28 PM (OQ9R7)

327 Heh, honey badger show on PBS at the top of the hour.

Posted by: Infidel at December 20, 2015 07:28 PM (2G5jG)

328 Ricardo, how you doing?

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 07:29 PM (mUa7N)

329 ...even though I just did.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:29 PM (OQ9R7)

330 I've never heard of that. I've heard of cattle ranches (more than one animal) but never heard of kine ranches.

You would need to go back a couple hundred years...

Kindletot,

Your kith might come over and assist you and your kin to round up the kine, but I doubt you'd ever raise kith on your ranch (unless you are referring to hired hands or tenant farmers...)

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 20, 2015 07:31 PM (bZ7mE)

331 "Crotchpoker?"

Why I don't call my worst friend that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 07:32 PM (OkAU/)

332 Ok, if I say kine, the old men are still going to make fun of me and call me city girl. I wonder if they'll like that better than boy cow.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:33 PM (BHl9S)

333 What I have found with wine is price to quality is hit or miss but the more expensive you get less misses but you can still get them. But all in all even $10 or less is presently drinkable.

Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 07:34 PM (k0xxN)

334 Oh, well, we just start playin' and I gotta run and get smokes.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 07:34 PM (OkAU/)

335 "Why I don't call my worst friend that."
-Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 07:32 PM (OkAU/)

Don't you dare drag that silly joke through the mud!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:35 PM (OQ9R7)

336 Skip, we have 4 acres of grapes. I haven't bought wine in a long time. One friend just gave us 2 cases of his Syrah. I feel lucky. We grow chard and Pinot so that's what I drink.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:36 PM (BHl9S)

337 Shit... I half-thought, (51%), that you were serious, you bastard!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:37 PM (OQ9R7)

338 Found a interesting article from Daily Beast on American newspaper views of early Nazism. I brought up this as well as newspaper views of Soviet Communism but this doesn't go there.
The Newspapers That Praised Hitler by Rafael Medoff

Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 07:38 PM (k0xxN)

339 "Skip, we have 4 acres of grapes. I haven't bought wine in a long time. One friend just gave us 2 cases of his Syrah. I feel lucky. We grow chard and Pinot so that's what I drink."
-Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:36 PM (BHl9S)

Now I want to grow beer.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:38 PM (OQ9R7)

340 We drink coors light around here.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:39 PM (BHl9S)

341 Chipotle. For people who don't know Mexican food from zebra painted donkey crap.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at December 20, 2015 07:40 PM (vF53Y)

342 We drink coors light around here.

Like making love in a canoe.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! with purchase of equal or greater value commenter at December 20, 2015 07:41 PM (rwI+c)

343 Now I want to grow beer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op_Q8P9ocWc

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 20, 2015 07:41 PM (bZ7mE)

344 "The Newspapers That Praised Hitler by Rafael Medoff."
-Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 07:38 PM (k0xxN)

The New York Times excused Hitler. They actively and effusively praised Mussolini.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:41 PM (OQ9R7)

345 I never really had to travel far to satisfy my, ahem, tastes. I guess that makes me a locavorian.

Posted by: Jeffrey Dahmer at December 20, 2015 07:41 PM (9vLZK)

346 I went for dinner at a local rib and steak place yesterday. I had the pork ribs and they were excellent. It has been a long time since I've eaten that much meat in one sitting.

My one regret is we didn't order the bucket of bacon appetizer--and, yes, that is an actual menu item.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at December 20, 2015 07:42 PM (4rzL1)

347 Grump, oh come on, smiley face. I don't know how to make one.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:44 PM (BHl9S)

348 The New York Times excused Hitler. They actively and effusively praised Mussolini.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:41 PM (OQ9R7)

And that Stalin was an all around good fellow!

Posted by: W Duranty at December 20, 2015 07:44 PM (ftVQq)

349 "Chipotle. For people who don't know Mexican food from zebra painted donkey crap."
-Posted by: Russkilitlover at December 20, 2015 07:40 PM (vF53Y)

Okay, elitist. It is fast-food, you jerk.

You hang Christmas lights? You're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:44 PM (OQ9R7)

350 And that's when the fight started.

Posted by: weirdflunky at December 20, 2015 07:45 PM (AiIXu)

351 If I had peat bogs I'd grow scotch

Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 07:45 PM (k0xxN)

352 "And that Stalin was an all around good fellow!"
-Posted by: W Duranty at December 20, 2015 07:44 PM (ftVQq)

Thank you! I forgot about that little bit of "Prog" praise.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:46 PM (OQ9R7)

353 I drink box wine and find it quite enjoyable.

Posted by: Ronster at December 20, 2015 07:46 PM (mUa7N)

354 I remember liking Jose O'Shea's in Lakewood, CO some 20 yrs ago. Think it is still there.

Posted by: Infidel at December 20, 2015 07:47 PM (2G5jG)

355 Nood Football!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:47 PM (OQ9R7)

356 Ronster, nothing wrong with that.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:47 PM (BHl9S)

357 I drink box wine and find it quite enjoyable.

I can afford the screw top bottle.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! with purchase of equal or greater value commenter at December 20, 2015 07:48 PM (rwI+c)

358 Smokes obtained.

Seems we're drinking Coors Light.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 20, 2015 07:50 PM (OkAU/)

359 The New York Times�excused�Hitler. They actively and effusively�praised Mussolini.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1),�T

Ahem.

Posted by: Times Magazine at December 20, 2015 07:53 PM (9vLZK)

360 Ricardo, what kind of cigs? Marlboro? I used to smoke.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2015 07:53 PM (BHl9S)

361 My apologies, Russkilitlover. I acted like a jerk and you were just trying to disparage something.

I'm sure that you'll post some quality restaurants and/or recipes that most everyone can enjoy.

I'm headed-off to the new thread, but I'll check back, Sir.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:53 PM (OQ9R7)

362 Now I want to grow beer.
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 07:38 PM (OQ9R7)

It is easier than you think. Imagine setting the entire south end of your house covered with hop vines in the summer!

Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 07:57 PM (q2o38)

363 Heh Mickey Spillane is on Colombo tonight.

Posted by: Cambot at December 20, 2015 08:02 PM (BO/km)

364 -Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 07:57 PM (q2o3

I can dig it!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 20, 2015 08:08 PM (OQ9R7)

365 Three things...

1. Chipotle is the Starbucks of Mexican food. I was one and done at both.

2. The next time someone says, "Here's my new drone!", I'm gong to play that video up above and say, "You call that a drone? That's not a drone. THIS is a drone, MF'er."

3. When is BattleDrones going to be on TV? I might watch that.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 20, 2015 08:09 PM (3myMJ)

366 Slapweasel, just saw your comment. Good idea for a name.

I also like the name, "The Salted Smokehouse." Partially because I believe all great American food is some combination of:

- smoky.
- salty.
- spicy.
- sweet.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 08:10 PM (ntObR)

367 Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 08:10 PM (ntObR)

"Bacon R Us"

That is all!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 20, 2015 08:12 PM (ftVQq)

368 I remember liking Jose O'Shea's in Lakewood, CO some 20 yrs ago. Think it is still there.
Posted by: Infidel at December 20, 2015 07:47 PM (2G5jG)

It is still there and still fast and consistent. When I'm down from the mountains I lay in a supply of the Grandma's Hatch Green Chili and take it back up the hill.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 20, 2015 08:12 PM (3myMJ)

369 Darn, missed the food thread!
I went to high school w/the Chipotle founder and his co-CEO in Boulder - surprised to hear they're from Boulder? Yeah, thought not!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 20, 2015 08:12 PM (NOIQH)

370 Meremortal, you almost got me excited there. I live in Lakewood, *CA.*

Although here in this Lakewood, we have the *only* East Side Mario's south of the Canadian border. Don't ask me why. It's owned by Marie Callenders.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 08:13 PM (ntObR)

371 What is this Jose O'Shea's - I am intrigued...

Posted by: Lizzy at December 20, 2015 08:14 PM (NOIQH)

372 I wonder if Chipotle would ever have made it, if no less than freakin' *McDonalds* was an early investor.

BTW, was out earlier today and saw, for the very first time, an actual closed-down McDonalds in my town. (Closed by the company, not the Health Department.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 08:15 PM (ntObR)

373 For anyone who enjoys great cajun/creole food and is passing through or lives in or near the OC. My only complaint about this place is that they don't have fried chicken or steak.

http://rittersskc.com/

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 08:16 PM (ntObR)

374 But all in all even $10 or less is presently drinkable.
Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 07:34 PM (k0xxN)

If you like white, just buy Pinot Grigio and get it over with.

If you like red, got to the Italian section and buy anything that says, "Montepulciano de' Abruzzo". It won't be expensive and you won't be disappointed.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 20, 2015 08:16 PM (3myMJ)

375 so we're currently in Wisconsin and, thinking local food, I figured let's get brats and beer.

yeah no. that's seasonal and this ain't it.

grumbling

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 20, 2015 08:17 PM (F+xWX)

376 Has the evidence that red wine apparently helps your heart health been holding up recently, or has that also been somewhat debunked a la a lot of other recent US gubmint health advice as junk science?

Also I really don't understand, if red wine helps so much, why not grape *juice*??

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 08:19 PM (ntObR)

377 >>I wonder if Chipotle would ever have made it, if no less than freakin' *McDonalds* was an early investor.

I don;t know at what point McD's invested - it started out as a single shop in Denver, with the guy planning on using it to make money while saving for what he really dreamed of: opening a French restaurant. Except the Chipotle was so popular he started opening additional shops in the Denver area. I think it likely would have at least been a successful Denver area franchise w/out the McD's money.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 20, 2015 08:19 PM (NOIQH)

378 Oops, War Dept just announced dinner is served. Back in a bit, sorry.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 20, 2015 08:21 PM (3myMJ)

379 Meremortal, and that's code for what? Boots on the ground in Syria? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 08:22 PM (ntObR)

380 Aleppo pepper is great, btw.

Just wish it came from somewhere other than Syria.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 08:22 PM (ntObR)

381 I've had hundreds of bottles and had almost every type it's just I go mostly red. I'd say my favorite are petite syrah's, it's not related to syrah and goes well with a beef rib roast.

Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2015 08:23 PM (k0xxN)

382 287 Cthulhu,

Did you ever find his email? I saw you were looking for it last night when I read the ONT this morning. I have it if you need it

Posted by: Molly k. at December 20, 2015 07:06 PM (kM2ec) 287 Cthulhu,

Did you ever find his email? I saw you were looking for it last night when I read the ONT this morning. I have it if you need it

Posted by: Molly k. at December 20, 2015 07:06 PM (kM2ec)

If you have it, could you just ping him and find out if he's ok? I've been worried.

And thank you, Carol.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 10:07 PM (EzgxV)

383 Oh....anyone have a better idea for a name for this?

Subtle Chicken
or
Subtle Crispy Chicken if it does indeed crisp the skin in the final high temperature setting.

It sounds like a sweet and sour, but you say, well balanced with a hint of the sweet. Subtle.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 21, 2015 10:07 AM (qCMvj)

384 Chicken In Milk with garlic and cinnamon.

already sent to the printer

I'm going to make this the next time I pull out a chicken roast. Sounds gorgeous! Thanks, CBD.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 21, 2015 10:16 AM (qCMvj)

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