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Overnight Open Thread (19 Dec 2015)
Beer Drinking Fad
I must be getting old. I'm fine with just drinking a beer from a nice chilled mug. Drinking beer from props to include a fish mouth, a sausage sandwich, prosthetic legs and cricket bats. Medical Costs There's no miracle cure for health-care costs. Just as there is no tax the rich level that will sustain the free shit army. Reality always gets a vote. When Balls Attack
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:09 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 10:09 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 10:09 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 10:10 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 10:09 PM (jR7Wy)
If it had been exactly on time, it wouldn't have been me -- I was still cooking.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:12 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:12 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2015 10:14 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:14 PM (CT0l8)
People, people, people!
Sorry. Just vamping here.
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at December 19, 2015 10:15 PM (wKcQA)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:15 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:15 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: eman at December 19, 2015 10:16 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 10:16 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:16 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: RuPaul Ryan at December 19, 2015 10:17 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 10:17 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: eman at December 19, 2015 10:18 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:18 PM (w/iDp)
Do you think they don't know or are they just going along with the gag?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 19, 2015 10:18 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: your colonoscopy at December 19, 2015 10:18 PM (6FqZa)
from last thread: "stop throwing people in jail for drug possession then. If you really care."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 10:19 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2015 10:19 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2015 10:19 PM (k0xxN)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 19, 2015 10:19 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: logprof at December 19, 2015 10:20 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Zombie Uncle Ted Kennedy at December 19, 2015 10:20 PM (Dwehj)
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So there is a magic pot of money out there somewhere and we just haven't found it. I knew it.
Posted by: Yannic Perig at December 19, 2015 10:20 PM (utg0G)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:20 PM (w/iDp)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2015 10:20 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: eman at December 19, 2015 10:20 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:20 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:21 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 10:21 PM (GEICT)
Honest to God, she'll be the death of me.
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:21 PM (CT0l8)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:16 PM (OkAU/)
Easy buddy...or you'll get what's comin' to ya.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:21 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 19, 2015 10:21 PM (YJmuy)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! with purchase of equal or greater value commenter at December 19, 2015 10:22 PM (rwI+c)
No idea. I figure with the way this season as gone, I'll get smashed again no matter what I do.
Posted by: CDR M at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (SCx0h)
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/678262717543788545
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/678263008691421184
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/678263196654903296
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/678263369225342977
Posted by: kbdabear at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (GrXXa)
What I liked: the scenes of Rey scavenging through the rusting hulks of Imperial cruisers crashed in the desert was a great way of showing how much time had passed. I thought she and Finn had good chemistry and I liked the sparks of romance.
Han, Leia, and Chewie gave the film heart and humor as well as continuity.
What I didn't like: Mopey emo villain and bad CGI villain.
What I found unsettling: Carrie Fisher's Caitlin Jenner face. Her cute mug used to be so expressive and now it's a mask.
So, maybe not quite as good as the first trilogy -- what is? -- but a worthy successor.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: your colonoscopy at December 19, 2015 10:18 PM (6FqZa)
Then, again -- I was better than the prequels.
Posted by: the prep for your colonoscopy at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (EzgxV)
In a way he's right. He just gave his customers what they wanted. It's not his fault that what his customers wanted turned out to be "free shit". What's he going to do - tell them no?
Posted by: your colonoscopy at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (w/iDp)
Posted by: CDR M at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (SCx0h)
death once again, let her sugar drop to around 45 the other day. She
came up the stairs to to talk to me and I took one look at her and knew
something was very wrong. Yet again she didn't eat for 5 hours....kill
me now.
Honest to God, she'll be the death of me.
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:21 PM (CT0l
I feel your pain. My FIL has been borderline dead for nine years. You have my prayers.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 19, 2015 10:23 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: eman at December 19, 2015 10:24 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 10:24 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 10:21 PM (GEICT)
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Video?
Cuz you know the rules.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 10:24 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
We came. We saw. He died.
Haw Haw Haw!
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 19, 2015 10:25 PM (FkBIv)
They are turning out decent guns these days, and not using casts or MiM cut crap. Rock Island rebrands their pistols and sells them.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 10:25 PM (6fIOn)
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/678263493469052929
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/678263645244100608
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/678263787137474561
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/678263907442651136
Posted by: kbdabear at December 19, 2015 10:25 PM (GrXXa)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:25 PM (OkAU/)
Armscor == originally South African. Once of excellent repute.
Goodness knows what that actually means these days. I figure the Chinese are the movers behind the scenes now.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2015 10:26 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: derit at December 19, 2015 10:26 PM (jT+gh)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:25 PM (OkAU/)
We don't talk about the shiv. Never talk about the shiv.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:26 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Ralph at December 19, 2015 10:26 PM (lrKc+)
Cuz you know the rules.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 10:24 PM (jR7Wy)
It'll be up shortly. I link to it.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 10:27 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:27 PM (w/iDp)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 10:27 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:27 PM (w/iDp)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 19, 2015 10:27 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 19, 2015 10:27 PM (R5HRU)
Back when she was "so expressive", she was tripping balls on acid on the set.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2015 10:28 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:28 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:28 PM (w/iDp)
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:28 PM (CT0l8)
Posted by: eman at December 19, 2015 10:29 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Yannic Perig at December 19, 2015 10:29 PM (utg0G)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:30 PM (w/iDp)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 10:25 PM
Before the tragic boating accident, I had a Armscor / RIA 1911. Good, solid gun
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 10:30 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:31 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: rickl at December 19, 2015 10:32 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: derit at December 19, 2015 10:32 PM (jT+gh)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2015 10:32 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 10:32 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2015 10:28 PM
Carrie Fisher was a gift to all of us.
Posted by: otho at December 19, 2015 10:33 PM (EWg9n)
Now that you mention it, no.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:33 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2015 10:28 PM (noWW6)
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Hey, it was the 70's. Everybody was on something. Alec Guinness and Hammerhead used to lick toads between takes.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 10:33 PM (jR7Wy)
Talk out of the side of their mouth
like a stroke victim or a cigar smoker.
Implants out the kazoo
Eye jobs
Skin jobs
Duck lips.
Posted by: Ralph at December 19, 2015 10:33 PM (lrKc+)
Posted by: R2WD-40 at December 19, 2015 10:33 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: otho at December 19, 2015 10:33 PM (EWg9n)
She gloriously and completely gives zero fucks now. It's great.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 10:34 PM (GEICT)
"Likely" White Christmas for us this year. I believe it, been getting a little snow (hit- and- melt variety) all week.
Yay! But, only because we don't *have to* go anywhere this year.
Merry Christmas, all!
Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at December 19, 2015 10:34 PM (044Fx)
Posted by: George Stephanopolis at December 19, 2015 10:34 PM (w/iDp)
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:34 PM (CT0l8)
I don't know if I approve of that crease in her pants. It frightens and confuses me.
Posted by: david brooks at December 19, 2015 10:35 PM (6FqZa)
https://youtu.be/NzbpbE1jdFU
I'm in the black robe. Third guy out.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 10:35 PM (GEICT)
Now that you mention it, no.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:33 PM (OkAU/)
I'm concerned about his last exchange with me in the comments.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:35 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 10:35 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 10:35 PM (voOPb)
Okay, no shiv. Gotcha. What about the shank?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:31 PM (OkAU/)
The shank is ok, just don't talk about the hock.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:36 PM (+eR2D)
is this debate thing over yet?
Posted by: chemjeff
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It reelingly staggers on.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:36 PM (w/iDp)
They then spent the rest of the time debating just how full retard socialist they could go and get away with it.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 10:37 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:37 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2015 10:37 PM (BngQR)
is this debate thing over yet?
Posted by: chemjeff
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It reelingly staggers on.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:36 PM (w/iDp)
Are you sure it isn't staggeringly reeling on?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:38 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 10:38 PM (uZNvH)
It was not even illegal to drink alcohol in any locale I was aware of, it was only made illegal to manufacture or sell it.
Story from Oregon was that the automatic door closer for one of the public offices at the Marion county courthouse used alcohol as a hydraulic fluid to operate, and during Prohibition a cracked seal leaked all the alcohol down the door frame.
The Janitor went down to the hardware store to get more and was informed they didn't stock that anymore, it was illegal to sell without a prescription.
Janitor went to the local doctor who informed him that he couldn't write prescriptions for a door.
Surmise was that a handy bootlegger came to the rescue.
A further story was that a bootlegger was arrested for distributing liquor door to door in Salem Oregon during prohibition under the cover of a dry-cleaner's service. The liquor would be delivered in pints hidden in bundles of clean shirts, complete to the string binding the folded shirts together and the delivery tag on top.
Posted by: Kindltot GOPe Shill at December 19, 2015 10:38 PM (q2o38)
functioning. Tough Irish I believe. Her 83rd birthday is next month,
amazing woman but at times I think she's nuts. I suppose that's where I
got it from.
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:28 PM (CT0l
Some of 'em are stubborn and hard as nails, no other explanation for it.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:38 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at December 19, 2015 10:38 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 10:38 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:39 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: cthulhu
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Hard to tell. Triple vision here.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:39 PM (w/iDp)
I would smash with the vengeance of an angry god.
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 19, 2015 10:39 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:39 PM (w/iDp)
deals are great. I mean how many spatulas can a person need at 2am?>>>
I have several (Lightning deal) purchases that were good deals. But I would have never left my house to buy. It's an odd conundrum since I like/enjoy these things but did I really need them If leaving the house was a barrier to their purchase?
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 10:40 PM (wHX4r)
You bring your shiv?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:16 PM (OkAU/)
ricardo so cruel on a saturday night. how about Dangergirls drinks and a back rub
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:40 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: derit at December 19, 2015 10:40 PM (jT+gh)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 10:40 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:39 PM (OkAU/)
So, my jokes suck.
So, in cooking, there's a cut of meat called the shank and one called the hock. I was trying to be funny. FAIL.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:40 PM (+eR2D)
http://tinyurl.com/nm9fx2u
Brooks ponders buying the pink rug or the blue rug. For "blue" Brooks' first word was, I am certain, "cerulean". But he edited that out because that might give his readers the wrong idea
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 19, 2015 10:41 PM (6FqZa)
What, now? It's late & cold & I already took my boots off.
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 10:41 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 19, 2015 10:41 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:40 PM (+wjl1)
This is why you are so my girl.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:41 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (w/iDp)
What he say?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:37 PM (OkAU/)
Among other things, that it was time for him to use the whole vial of insulin. It was on an ONT. I've been keeping watch since, but it's tough to be everywhere, and I haven't seen him.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:15 PM (+eR2D)
Cranberry/banana daiquiris yum
From the old days
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (voOPb)
And last time it hit me. This means no liberal shits give blood. They're all disqualified by their shitty "life choices."
When anyone goes to the hospital and needs a transfusion, that blood's coming from a middle-aged white conservative. (Racist hatefact: I have been donating regularly for a decade now and I have literally NEVER seen any non-white person among the donors.)
So now I'm wondering why I bother. Why am I literally giving my life's blood when it's just another way liberal shits are literally parasitizing me? They're not content with destroying every part of my society I hold dear, they're not content with stealing the money I work for, they're not content with indoctrinating my children and mocking people like me in the media . . . they're literally draining the blood from my veins.
I haven't decided yet. But the next time Red Cross calls to remind me of a blood drive in the area, I'm going to have to think hard about whether I want to do it. Sure, it's the right thing to do . . . but I'm tired of having morality and altruism and fairness used as weapons against me.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (QISEb)
Ha! No, I won't make the switch for a few weeks yet.
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:41 PM (+eR2D)
lol, i like mellow on starurday nights.
whatever it takes.
brings lotion along.
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: Colonel Bernie Sanders at December 19, 2015 10:43 PM (Dwehj)
See, willow, DG's a tough gal. And married.
So.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:43 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 19, 2015 10:43 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 10:43 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (EzgxV)
wait, what if this?
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:44 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:44 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2015 10:44 PM (BngQR)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:44 PM (w/iDp)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 10:44 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 10:45 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 10:45 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 19, 2015 10:45 PM (WWdgA)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:45 PM (+wjl1)
What's the "hock?"
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:39 PM (OkAU/)
The part of a pig's leg between the tibia/fibula and the metatarsals.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:45 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Ralph at December 19, 2015 10:46 PM (lrKc+)
Since I don't look like Finn, I can't get into that chemistry.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 19, 2015 10:46 PM (6FqZa)
My sis, who is a funeral director, had a death call last week for a woman who was 101 years old. She looked fantastic, could have passed as a woman in her 70's. Her secret? 3 shots of whiskey a day. Her doctor prescribed it for her because she was in a nursing home and the state bans alcohol in these facilities. They had to measure the contents everyday and keep a record. The remaining family made sure she was buried with several airline sized bottles of Jack Daniels and her slippers.
That's how I want to go.
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:46 PM (CT0l8)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 10:46 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Ralph at December 19, 2015 10:46 PM (lrKc+)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 19, 2015 10:47 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:47 PM (w/iDp)
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:46 PM (CT0l
heck, just get yourself cremated and then the ashes poured into a Jack Daniels bottle
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 10:47 PM (uZNvH)
Well, compared to Bernie or (Hillary for that matter), anybody who is to the right of Stalin is a "right wing extremists".
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 19, 2015 10:48 PM (NGd+i)
That's how I want to go.
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:46 PM (CT0l
bless her, and so do i, and maybe a morphine drip,, and good to see you mpfs i miss your comments.
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:48 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:48 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 19, 2015 10:45 PM
Yes. Good, solid gun.
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 10:48 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 19, 2015 10:39 PM (w/iDp)
Punch the one in the middle.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2015 10:49 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: george lucas at December 19, 2015 10:49 PM (EWg9n)
been donating regularly for a decade now and I have literally NEVER seen
any non-white person among the donors.) So now I'm wondering why I bother."
See also: organ donations.
Certain ethnic groups are quite delighted to avail themselves of donated organs.
Will they themselves donate organs? Hell no. Not a chance.
I proposed to an MD a system whereby only those who are registered organ donors may themselves become recipients. Shock horror! Frogs raining from the sky! Cats and dogs living together! Of course we can't do it that way!
Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2015 10:49 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2015 10:32 PM (Nwg0u)
I don't know, why don't you ask Michael Calvert about that?
Posted by: Kindltot GOPe Shill at December 19, 2015 10:49 PM (q2o38)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:50 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 10:50 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:46 PM (CT0l
That sounds good to me too. My only hope is that I don't suffer at the end. My grandmother, who passed away in August at the age of 90, suffered from horrible dementia the last 10+ years of her life. When I visited her in June, she had no idea who I was. I thought how scary must that be to wake up every day and not know anyone around you?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:50 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 19, 2015 10:50 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 10:48 PM (KCxzN)
Thanks, Alton. Definitely interested. Looks Commander sized.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 19, 2015 10:50 PM (WWdgA)
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 10:51 PM (q2o38)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:51 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (EzgxV)
wait, what if this?
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:44 PM (+wjl1)
Ask BCochran -- I'm not an expert in such matters.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:51 PM (EzgxV)
And until recently, that was all the motivation I needed. I wanted to do good. I wanted to help society. But I look around at the society I live in, and I don't see any of that altruism reflected back at me any more. I'm the bad guy in every movie and TV show. I'm the person there's too many of in every profession. I'm the one who has to be replaced by someone more hip and diverse.
Well, fine. Let the hip and diverse people keep the blood supply flowing. Oh, wait, they can't, because they're too fucking careless and selfish and short-sighted and stupid to take care of their own bodies.
Oh, well. Too bad . . .
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 19, 2015 10:52 PM (QISEb)
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Some Chinese think the body needs to be whole to get into heaven. So I guess receiving an organ is fine but donating? Hell no.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 10:52 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:52 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:52 PM (+wjl1)
You should be able to store them underwater after that, since tragic canoe accidents seem to be a thing here.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 10:52 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:53 PM (+wjl1)
I'm tired of having morality and altruism and fairness used as weapons against me.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (QISEb)
The deuce you say.
Posted by: Hank Rearden at December 19, 2015 10:53 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:52 PM (+wjl1)
buzzion is dead?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 10:54 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:54 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: Hank Rearden at December 19, 2015 10:53 PM (sdi6R)
Yeah, brah. Fuck that shit. Come hang out with me in Colorado.
Posted by: John Galt at December 19, 2015 10:54 PM (AkOaV)
We have a run of that on my dad's side. Hits in the 70's.
I don't want to go through that.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:55 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:55 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 19, 2015 10:55 PM (yxw0r)
Tell us something we don't know. Quisling might be too weak a word to describe Pauly
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2015 10:55 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 19, 2015 10:55 PM (R5HRU)
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Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 10:55 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 10:55 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 10:55 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 10:55 PM (CT0l8)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 19, 2015 10:40 PM (+eR2D)
In German, isn't it "Hand is hock"?
I think that's what they shout in those old movies. It seemed important.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 10:56 PM (q2o38)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 10:57 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:52 PM (+wjl1)
IIRC, BCochran is an insulin-dependent diabetic; he could best advise you as to whether it's a bad joke ("that's nothin' -- sometimes I need three") or it's a suicide threat ("there are 50 standard doses in each vial; you don't make it out of the hospital unless you're taking fewer than 3 standard doses at a time"). I have no worries for BCochran.
OTOH, I took OG's post seriously and have been worried and checking.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:57 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:57 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 19, 2015 10:57 PM (A1Dcl)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:55 PM (+wjl1)
what an asshole.
Posted by: John Galt at December 19, 2015 10:57 PM (AkOaV)
This. The proper treatment for a diabetic with low blood sugar is immediate ingestion of carbohydrates. A bag of fries and a regular coke will correct it immediately. If unconscious, dial 911, and let the paramedic know what is happening.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 10:58 PM (6fIOn)
OTOH, I took OG's post seriously and have been worried and checking.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:57 PM (EzgxV)
jeez, cooth, I hope you're wrong about that.
Posted by: John Galt at December 19, 2015 10:58 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 10:58 PM (AkOaV)
That was in a (later) House M.D. episode too!
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 10:59 PM (DLIIY)
Hmmmmmm......
*checks bills and estimated *#^$%& IL property taxes*
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 19, 2015 10:59 PM (WWdgA)
This. The proper treatment for a diabetic with low blood sugar is immediate ingestion of carbohydrates. A bag of fries and a regular coke will correct it immediately. If unconscious, dial 911, and let the paramedic know what is happening.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 10:58 PM (6fIOn)
Unfortunately, I do not suffer from any medical condition where they cure was french fries and a coke.
Sounds delightful.
(just kidding, I know diabetes sucks)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 10:59 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 19, 2015 10:57 PM (A1Dcl)
185 172 Harry and didn't even give me his credit card#
---
I see her more as another Rosemary Lehmberg.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 10:59 PM (jR7Wy)
In German, isn't it "Hand is hock"?
I think that's what they shout in those old movies. It seemed important.
-
Maybe it means, "Your papers please." Either that or, "We have way to make you talk."
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2015 11:00 PM (Nwg0u)
cthulhu, I hope your fear is ungrounded, but yeah . However He does have a odd humor so maybe?
mpfs, tired and exhausted, trying to keep a stiff upper lip, and joke my way though it.
the fake it tilll you make it thingio. and you?
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:00 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 10:57 PM (DLIIY)
See also Sunny von Buelow.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:00 PM (EzgxV)
I'm taking it as a preventative.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:00 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 11:00 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 10:59 PM (jR7Wy)
"CALL GREG!"
"call Greg!!!!'
"CALLL GREEGGGG AHHHAHGAHAH"
- Rosemary Lehmberg
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 11:01 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: g.i. who just shot a german trying to surrender at December 19, 2015 11:01 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 10:57 PM (OkAU/)
Chooth made a very concise respose and my brain went poof and i asked a question that had already been answered in His comment.
and i haven't even drank wine yet!
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (+wjl1)
OTOH, I took OG's post seriously and have been worried and checking.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 10:57 PM (EzgxV)
jeez, cooth, I hope you're wrong about that.
Posted by: John Galt at December 19, 2015 10:58 PM (AkOaV)
I hope so, too. I've been fretting and seeing if he pops up. I've even been walking daythreads.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (EzgxV)
If I can dump another 40 lbs I should be able to end my insulin addiction.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (6fIOn)
To put that into perspective, I would take about 16 units for, say, 3 pieces of pizza.
A whole vial? That person would be dead. Even if they went straight to the hospital, I don't think there's any coming back from that massive a dose.
There have been several cases over the years were people were suspected of using insulin overdoses in order to murder someone.
It's ingenious. Why? Because the short acting insulin is completely absorbed into your body within 2-3 hours. No traces. The needles used for injection are very very tiny. So looking for puncture marks is next to impossible.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:00 PM (DLIIY)
Smart.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (DLIIY)
OG usually means "Original Gangsta"
Oregons abbreviation is OR.
But, maybe. I don't know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 11:03 PM (AkOaV)
I think that's what they shout in those old movies. It seemed important.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 10:56 PM (q2o3
"Ha(mit umlaut)nde hoch!" = "Hands up!"
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2015 11:03 PM (7MWCL)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:03 PM (voOPb)
Thanks. I am intrigued. I had heard some bad stuff about them many years ago.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 19, 2015 11:03 PM (WWdgA)
calls to remind me of a blood drive in the area, I'm going to have to
think hard about whether I want to do it. Sure, it's the right thing to
do . . . but I'm tired of having morality and altruism and fairness used
as weapons against me.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (QISEb)
The Red Cross calls me like a commission mortgage broker who is trying to make the office rent for the month. They are so persistent I am not sure if they are paid by the bodies on gurneys, or if they are trying to get an oversupply so they can let it age out in the cooler and then separate and sell the components for a profit.
(I am of a low, suspicious mind, I do not have evidence, BUT they do take people who have had recent tattoos. They just label it as such)
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 11:04 PM (q2o38)
I caught it on sale at Cabelas: the gun, a set of Pachmayr (or were they Houge? don't remember right now) grips, & tax out the door for around $535
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 11:04 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 11:04 PM (OkAU/)
so what if you were going to eat, say, a large pizza + 12 boneless wings + a 12 pack of beer?
...or is that not normal?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 11:04 PM (AkOaV)
ace has mine (no one else does because being banned many times) although i doubt he could find it amungst hundreds and given to him years ago if anything crazy should happen like i drop my pants for real in the chat.
maybe ace has his?
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:04 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (+wjl1)
Watch out Honey. She might have a dry well in the basement.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (q2o38)
Posted by: derit at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (jT+gh)
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 11:04 PM (q2o3
redcross sells the blood to hospitals. They make a lot of money from it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: g.i. who just shot a german trying to surrender>>>
My German is a little rusty but I think it's Thank You Thank You.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (6fIOn)
To put that into perspective, I would take about 16 units for, say, 3 pieces of pizza.
A whole vial? That person would be dead. Even if they went straight to the hospital, I don't think there's any coming back from that massive a dose.
There have been several cases over the years were people were suspected of using insulin overdoses in order to murder someone.
It's ingenious. Why? Because the short acting insulin is completely absorbed into your body within 2-3 hours. No traces. The needles used for injection are very very tiny. So looking for puncture marks is next to impossible.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (GEICT)
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. In addition, I vaguely remember that he's in the medical field -- but I'm not sure he's even diabetic.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (EzgxV)
...or is that not normal?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 11:04 PM (AkOaV)
Hehe. That would be a shitload of insulin to cover that, my friend.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (GEICT)
Surely there would have been signs by this time. The staggering, the irregular behavior...
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:06 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (jR7Wy)
money the thing that helps my world spin, under the table or above it.
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:06 PM (+wjl1)
Hehe. That would be a shitload of insulin to cover that, my friend.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (GEICT)
Thank god I'm all healthy and shit and am not diabetic, then!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 11:06 PM (AkOaV)
I'm taking it as a preventat
---------
I'm even safer I had steak & baked potato w/butter & sour cream tonight
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:07 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:07 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (EzgxV)
I don't mean to further worry you, but you don't need a prescription. Anyone can walk in off the street and buy diabetic supplies over the counter.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:07 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 19, 2015 10:42 PM (QISEb)
I wish I had an answer. I spent much of today trying... no, not trying, BEING the guy who could be relied on by others, and it wore me out. I had a profound sadness I could not quite articulate. Then I came home and watched an episode of Man in the High Castle, and watched the foreign enemy operating on American soil, with countless good Americans wrestling with this very type of question.
Why do I bother.
By the time I finished the show, I was in tears. I have no answers.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2015 11:07 PM (Dj0WE)
it's kasden, "flash" abrams and disney. especially the latter. complete pro's who know what they're doing.
still, haven't the faintest interest in seeing it.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 19, 2015 11:07 PM (WTSFk)
insulin is completely absorbed into your body within 2-3 hours. No
traces. The needles used for injection are very very tiny. So looking
for puncture marks is next to impossible.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:02 PM (GEICT)
Sunny Von Bulow I think was the most famous case. And really if someone is using insulin anyway, a puncture mark even if found would be moot I suspect.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2015 11:07 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:07 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:08 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: Last at December 19, 2015 11:08 PM (8HiDF)
Finally went back to work but just part time. I'm a pharmacy tech at a local place. Busy as hell. Fill anywhere from 600 to 1200 scrips a day. I've come to the conclusion we are over medicated and undereducated. Too fucking lazy to take care of ourselves when a pill will fix it. I also learned that we have way too many constipated heroin addicts in my neck of the woods.
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 11:08 PM (CT0l8)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 11:08 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2015 11:09 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: g.i. who just shot a german trying to surrender>>>
My German is a little rusty but I think it's Thank You Thank You.
Posted by: Willy J.
Depending on the context it can either mean 'please,' 'your welcome,' 'here (giving something to the speaker),' 'pardon,' and other things.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2015 11:09 PM (9YDUz)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:06 PM
MCD causes that?
Posted by: otho at December 19, 2015 11:09 PM (EWg9n)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2015 11:07 PM (4ErVI)
Terry Schiavo. Famous case from here in Florida a couple years ago. Her family swore up and down that her husband, who was the one fighting to take her off life support, had overdosed her on insulin to try and make the court case moot.
There was some circumstantial evidence that they were right.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:09 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: g.i. who just shot a german trying to surrender>>>
My German is a little rusty but I think it's Thank You Thank You.
Posted by: Willy J.
Depending on the context it can either mean 'please,' 'your welcome,' 'here (giving something to the speaker),' 'pardon,' and other things.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2015 11:09 PM (9YDUz)
---
Uh, didn't any of you see "The Longest Day"?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:10 PM (jR7Wy)
Chick from Daily Show (don't remember her name) spoofing on cantina scene and killing everyone with her lightsaber/blaster: Total silence. (Except for when the guy started hitting her with the toy lightsaber. *Then* people laughed.)
Gods of Egypt movie: Total silence.
Independence Day Sequel: Total silence.
New X Men: Total silence.
New JK. Rowling Harry Potter universe movie: Total silence.
Captain America Civil War: Total silence.
Zootopia: Everybody ROFL at the sloths running the DMV.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at December 19, 2015 11:10 PM (9ltS8)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:10 PM (6fIOn)
215 Ricardo i was hoping someone had an email.
ace has mine (no one else does because being banned many times) although i doubt he could find it amungst hundreds and given to him years ago if anything crazy should happen like i drop my pants for real in the chat.
maybe ace has his?
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:04 PM (+wjl1)
From my understanding of things, there would be -- maybe -- a 15-minute window where he could have been saved. I reacted on the thread, but nobody else did (so they wouldn't have been helpful), and it was at an hour I couldn't get anyone else within hours. So I tried to engage him and didn't get far.....then I have been watching, and waiting, and fretting.....
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:10 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:11 PM (DLIIY)
Since it's the German version of Aloha I was just trying to be funny. Many meanings depending on context.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 11:11 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: derit at December 19, 2015 11:11 PM (jT+gh)
Posted by: otho at December 19, 2015 11:09 PM (EWg9n)
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Uh...sure it does *hastily throws away Valu-Rite bottles*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:11 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 19, 2015 11:11 PM (WTSFk)
Posted by: g.i. who just shot a german trying to surrender>>>
My German is a little rusty but I think it's Thank You Thank You.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (wHX4r)
"Thank you" and "please" are the same word in German.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:11 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:12 PM (6fIOn)
That's the same reaction I saw this afternoon.
Posted by: CDR M at December 19, 2015 11:12 PM (SCx0h)
Ricardo , yeah i don't have anyones, i probably should be more friendly about that type of thing.
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:12 PM (+wjl1)
It's German for "You're velcome"? (Speaking of old jokes.)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:12 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:11 PM
Really? What about indecent exposure? Asking for... a friend.
Posted by: otho at December 19, 2015 11:12 PM (EWg9n)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2015 11:13 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: g.i. who just shot a german trying to surrender>>>
My German is a little rusty but I think it's Thank You Thank You.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (wHX4r)
"Thank you" and "please" are the same word in German.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:11 PM (EzgxV)
Sorry -- totally screwed that pooch trying to get to later content. "Danke" is "Thank you"; "Bitte" is "You're welcome" -- but also means "please" -- as in "Bitte sehr, gib mich deine Hand."
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:13 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:14 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: otho at December 19, 2015 11:12 PM (EWg9n)
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Yes! Also, spastic Tourettes.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:14 PM (jR7Wy)
'please,' 'your welcome,' 'here (giving something to the speaker),'
'pardon,' and other things.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2015 11:09 PM (9YDUz)
Or, per my Grandfather, if you pronounce it wrong they bring you butter.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 11:15 PM (q2o38)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage
The longest day? If you mean June 21st of this year, yes, I did see it, but I did not meet any Germans.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2015 11:15 PM (9YDUz)
Posted by: the real ch3 at December 19, 2015 11:15 PM (SgQKD)
There is a difference between correct and colloquial.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:15 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:10 PM (EzgxV)
i'm sor sorry, I know how that must really be messing with you, I had seen a comment from OG a few weeks ago that alarmed me , but paranoa because i know some of us are on edge . i'll keep an eye out with you. I'm sorry i didn't catch the next thing you saw.
but i'll help if i can.
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:15 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:14 PM
Fuck.
Posted by: otho at December 19, 2015 11:15 PM (EWg9n)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 11:15 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 19, 2015 11:15 PM (WTSFk)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:05 PM (EzgxV)
I don't mean to further worry you, but you don't need a prescription. Anyone can walk in off the street and buy diabetic supplies over the counter.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:07 PM (GEICT)
I did not know that. Of course, I'm on record as saying nitrogen asphyxiation should be preferred in all such circumstances.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:16 PM (EzgxV)
I caught it on sale at Cabelas: the gun, a set of Pachmayr (or were they Houge? don't remember right now) grips, & tax out the door for around $535
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 11:04 PM (KCxzN)
Had a nickle finish Commander with Pachmayrs I traded a Series 70 1911A1 for. I liked them, but it's not a deal stopper, for me. Too used to the wooden grips, I guess. Like an idiot, I sold the Commander.
May just be gon' a gun buyin' on the 'morrow. I wonder if it will accept standard 1911 mags? I still have 4 or 5 original GI in the foil wrap and plastic.
Don't ask where I got them. :-)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 19, 2015 11:17 PM (WWdgA)
Posted by: mpfs
****
Retail pharm tech- damn. Not for the faint of heart.
Be careful as some of those addicts WILL carry a grudge and wait for you in the parking lot when you tell them to piss off.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 19, 2015 11:17 PM (hVdx9)
It's okay to exchange email with "some" people here. "Some" people. For example:
Joe in TX 75038 @ yahoo . com
Take out the spaces.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 11:17 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2015 11:18 PM (Nwg0u)
I recall his having said he was considering taking up a new medical post in Idaho. My impression was that this had happened. I lost the plot at some point subsequent to that.
Hope that he is okay. People do demonstrably have to quit hanging out at the HQ for their own sake. The steady drumbeat of doom can be hard to handle. Sometimes they check back in later on to everyone's great relief. Examples: Jane D'Oh, PGiS.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2015 11:18 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Hank Rearden at December 19, 2015 11:18 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:18 PM (+wjl1)
The one I linked was a standard GI model, but they do sell the smaller versions.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:18 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:19 PM (+wjl1)
Drinking beer from props to include a fish mouth, a sausage sandwich, prosthetic legs and cricket bats.
In the movie "The Saddest Music in the World," one of the lead characters (played by Isabella Rossilini) has had her real legs removed, and replaced with flexible glass legs that are filled with beer.
Been wanting to see it for a long time, although it sounds incredibly weird.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 19, 2015 11:19 PM (ntObR)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:20 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:10 PM (EzgxV)
i'm sor sorry, I know how that must really be messing with you, I had seen a comment from OG a few weeks ago that alarmed me , but paranoa because i know some of us are on edge . i'll keep an eye out with you. I'm sorry i didn't catch the next thing you saw.
but i'll help if i can.
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:15 PM (+wjl1)
well, I hope you guys are wrong and he's fine, just busy at work or whatnot.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 19, 2015 11:20 PM (AkOaV)
I got some mags from CTD, ProMag, I think, & they work fine. Sometimes they don't hold the action open after the last round, I need to tweak them a bit
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 11:20 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2015 11:21 PM (F+wDX)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:21 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:21 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:21 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:10 PM (EzgxV)
i'm sor sorry, I know how that must really be messing with you, I had seen a comment from OG a few weeks ago that alarmed me , but paranoa because i know some of us are on edge . i'll keep an eye out with you. I'm sorry i didn't catch the next thing you saw.
but i'll help if i can.
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:15 PM (+wjl1)
I'll be overjoyed if someone sees him again. Or gets hold of him through some backchannel. I'm putting it on the Horde because it has been so tiring searching alone.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:22 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at December 19, 2015 11:22 PM (9ltS8)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 19, 2015 11:22 PM (ntObR)
Posted by: Buzzion
The excuse on Monday will be the same as before; "it's dah best we could get. Wadd'ya want without dah Presidency? Vote Jerb."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2015 11:23 PM (9YDUz)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:21 PM (uZNvH)
Hmmm....wonder what the proper waiting period is after reestablishing contact before asking for a loan?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:23 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:23 PM (voOPb)
Hmmm....wonder what the proper waiting period is after reestablishing contact before asking for a loan?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:23 PM (GEICT)
oh they are the ones who would be asking a loan from me, not the other way around
unless they got their act together in the last 10 yrs
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:25 PM (uZNvH)
The one I linked was a standard GI model, but they do sell the smaller versions.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:18 PM (6fIOn)
The one at the link has a Commander length 4.25" barrel. As I recall, that Commander I had, used standard 1911 mags no problem. Either way, no huge deal. I'll pick up some spares. Nice Parkerized finish, too. I hated the blueing on the Series 70 I had.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 19, 2015 11:25 PM (WWdgA)
Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2015 11:25 PM (w/iDp)
They can be a bit testy when they don't get their Suboxone on time.
Guess who pays for it?
We do.
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 11:25 PM (CT0l8)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:26 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: Ralph at December 19, 2015 11:26 PM (lrKc+)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:26 PM (voOPb)
totally isn't Ryan's fault but it was actually a leftover from Boehner?"
The House GOP justified the huge list of shitweasellery that they rammed through just before Boehner quit as "clearing the decks for his successor" so that said successor would be able to "start off with a clean slate".
So much for that.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2015 11:26 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 19, 2015 11:26 PM (ntObR)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 11:27 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
No need.
They'll know who and where you are at every second of the day.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2015 11:28 PM (9YDUz)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:28 PM (DLIIY)
There are a couple of rough spots where I got my assembly backwards, but it is not shabby for a first major garment.
Sewing turns out to be more satisfying than calligraphy.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 11:28 PM (q2o38)
Posted by: Hank Rearden
Friend of Magilla Gorilla
http://___.veehd.com/4792565_l2.jpg
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 19, 2015 11:28 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Mega at December 19, 2015 11:29 PM (9Du4t)
Been wanting to see it for a long time, although it sounds incredibly weird.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 19, 2015 11:19 PM (ntObR)
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I just youtubed a trailer, and wow does that thing look weird. Like a jolly, manic "Eraserhead".
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:29 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2015 11:18 PM (Nwg0u)
Maybe they did that for good luck?
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 11:29 PM (q2o38)
unless they got their act together in the last 10 yrs
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:25 PM (uZNvH)
That's what I meant.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:29 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:29 PM (6fIOn)
Only if the Home Ec class has been told to sew burqas.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:30 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 19, 2015 11:30 PM (hlMPp)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92OC0ubJ4CY
(Ignore the hissing at the very beginning.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 19, 2015 11:30 PM (ntObR)
My Dad was diagnosed with it about 10 years ago and he doesn't even have to take the medicine for it now. He dropped the stomach fat, walks daily, and is pretty rigorous about his diet though.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2015 11:30 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: pookysgirl at December 19, 2015 11:30 PM (K27gs)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2015 11:18 PM (Nwg0u)
Maybe they did that for good luck?
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 11:29 PM (q2o3
You're lookin' at the back of the flag.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:30 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:29 PM (jR7Wy)
I....uh...wait...wut....ummmm........
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:30 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Weirddave at December 19, 2015 11:31 PM (N8hFs)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 19, 2015 11:31 PM (ntObR)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 19, 2015 11:31 PM (OkAU/)
Posted by: mpfs at December 19, 2015 11:31 PM (CT0l8)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:29 PM (jR7Wy)
I....uh...wait...wut....ummmm........
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:30 PM (GEICT)
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Like YOUR video! Tres surreal!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:31 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Ralph at December 19, 2015 11:31 PM (lrKc+)
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Dammit, the Nazis were Indians. I knew, I just knew it.
Or, the picture was printed the wrong way.
Posted by: DoJ at December 19, 2015 11:32 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 19, 2015 11:32 PM (GdFQh)
Nite mpfs
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:32 PM (voOPb)
No free movement without sufficient internet credit rating. Insignificant amount of virtue signaling online means you starve to death as a shut in
Posted by: derit at December 19, 2015 11:33 PM (jT+gh)
They have an Officer's (3.5" BBL) Model, 7 round cap. About the same price.
Decisions, decisions..............
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 19, 2015 11:33 PM (WWdgA)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:33 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:33 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: Bearded Spock at December 19, 2015 11:33 PM (KCxzN)
Or, put hand in scanner.
Posted by: Ralph at December 19, 2015 11:31 PM (lrKc+)
Do you have iIdentity or Google-me?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 19, 2015 11:33 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at December 19, 2015 11:31 PM (jR7Wy)
HA! We've done "worse". Two years ago, the first year I did it, it was Dads vs Instructors.
The instructors were all in 80s workout gear. That Dads were....well....probably culturally insensitive.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 19, 2015 11:33 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 19, 2015 11:34 PM (hlMPp)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:34 PM (voOPb)
They can be a bit testy when they don't get their Suboxone on time.
Guess who pays for it?
We do.
Posted by: mpfs
****
I was a mail order pharm tech and the pharmacists and techs who had done retail all told me not to go into it. Two pharmacists who went to a mail delivery call center from retail said their blood pressure dropped 20 points. They also did not miss working 16 hour days without a lunch.
Hope you aren't working for CVS. They are known to work the life out of their employees.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 19, 2015 11:34 PM (hVdx9)
except for the H2B stuff, which is stupid
and the oil export stuff, which is good.
I don't think they negotiated an incredibly hard bargain but I also don't think that much of what they wanted such as the riders would have made it into the final bill anyway
Suppose that somehow the PP defunding rider actually survived and made it and Obama managed to swallow it. how many people here would be cheering and saying it was a "great conservative victory"? no instead the mood would have been "you mean that's ALL they could manage to do? what about defunding ObamaCare? what about the rest of it?????"
I do think there comes a time when the outrage machine on the right becomes self-destructive, the congresscritters know that we will all be outraged if anything less than a pure conservative bill passes, and since there is zero chance of that happening, they feel free to load it up with all sorts of nonsense and justifying it because we are all already at peak outrage. if everyone on the right is going to be outraged that the bill spends, say, 10% too much, then why not spend 20% too much? you can't go higher than eleventy on the outrage meter.
none of this means that we should vote for Jeb! (we shouldn't) of course
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:35 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:35 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: RWC
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Yes.
Everything will be FREE. Everything.
Rich Wall Street Bankers will pay for it.
Global warming must be stopped. The Federal Gov. will be the tool.
Posted by: DoJ at December 19, 2015 11:35 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:35 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 19, 2015 11:36 PM (WWdgA)
Posted by: Weirddave
2? Oh, the Africa disappointment.
Hmm, it's been a while, so best to youtube "FarCry 2 gameplay" and take a look for yourself.
IIRC, it's no bloodier than the first. Plot-wise, you're hunting down evil people, for sure. Not a GTA unless you just like running over people.
The 'trophy' hunting thing is as annoyingly time-wasting as the Riddler trophies in Batman.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2015 11:37 PM (9YDUz)
Posted by: g.i. who just shot a german trying to surrender
In the context of that nic, it's a pleading, begging "Please, please". Usually, though, it's like "don't mention it, my pleasure".
Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2015 11:37 PM (oFSUK)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I-LKGEEE9M
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 11:37 PM (q2o38)
there was an episode with a woman killing her husband with gold to
cause heavy metal poisoning. I can't recall the form---it may have been
in liquid form that I know from my mom's china-painting hobby exists. It
smelled awfully when she was firing the gold-trimmed article in her
kiln too.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:20 PM (DLIIY)
I don't believe gold itself is toxic. After all, they cap teeth with it. And it's such a noble metal, in the electromotive sense, that I doubt it would go into solution in any bodily tissues.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2015 11:37 PM (7MWCL)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:38 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:40 PM (uZNvH)
Will be performing at the CSULB Carpenter Center in January. Tempted to go for it.
(*They're an all-male classical ballet dance troupe that's supposedly big on the comedy.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 19, 2015 11:40 PM (ntObR)
Tell that to Pussy Galore who lost her dear friend, Jill Masterson under its luster
Posted by: derit at December 19, 2015 11:41 PM (jT+gh)
http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1175
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:42 PM (DLIIY)
Free college
Free health care
Free vacation
Free family leave
We dispose Aassad free
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:42 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 19, 2015 11:42 PM (hlMPp)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 11:43 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Kristophr at December 19, 2015 11:43 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:44 PM (voOPb)
That is a really interesting compound, gold in a polymer
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:44 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2015 11:45 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 19, 2015 11:45 PM (WWdgA)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 11:43 PM (wHX4r)
ha, can't make hexavalent gold
but gold(3+) compounds can be bad
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:45 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 19, 2015 11:45 PM (m9V0o)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 19, 2015 11:46 PM (hVdx9)
nite all.
Posted by: willow at December 19, 2015 11:46 PM (+wjl1)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:40 PM (uZNvH)
We are not.... Talking about suffocating in Scrooge McDuck's swimming pool, right?
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2015 11:46 PM (q2o38)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:46 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2015 11:47 PM (Nwg0u)
I will say that #3 made ME blush, on at least one occasion, and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone younger than a very mature sixteen year-old.
Since we're talking about Far Cry 2, I'll defer to Weft.
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 19, 2015 11:47 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:47 PM (DLIIY)
none of this means that we should vote for Jeb! (we shouldn't) of course
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:35 PM (uZNvH)
I really think you don't understand why people are outraged, or you wouldn't call it "self-destructive."
What's been destroyed is the Republican Party. People who are still trying to revive the corpse are deluding themselves that there's some life still to be had. People who are walking away are NOT self-destructing.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2015 11:48 PM (Dj0WE)
Free college
Free health care
Free vacation
Free family leave
We dispose Aassad free
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Free us from the tyranny of excess deodorant choice!
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 19, 2015 11:49 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: GGE of the Mobile Horde at December 19, 2015 11:49 PM (dAedI)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:50 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: derit at December 19, 2015 11:51 PM (jT+gh)
Same here.
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 19, 2015 11:51 PM (NGd+i)
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), T at December 19, 2015 11:52 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:52 PM (voOPb)
but gold(3+) compounds can be bad>>>
Yeah my real understanding of chemistry is rudimentary. I do pay attention some to the different chemicals I work with and the warnings though. And I know hexavalent chromium is the current thing.
If you read an MSDS for salt it will scare the crap out of you so I just mostly over PPE myself for everything since the warnings are meaningless. (not arguing there are not dangerous states of gold)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 19, 2015 11:53 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 19, 2015 11:54 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: ALH at December 19, 2015 11:55 PM (Z56vq)
Bartolo gets a $50K bonus if he wins the Silver Slugger award, same for a Gold Glove.
Put it in the bank, Bart!
Posted by: kbdabear at December 19, 2015 11:56 PM (GrXXa)
Posted by: Hillary! at December 19, 2015 11:56 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 19, 2015 11:57 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at December 19, 2015 11:58 PM (9ltS8)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2015 11:58 PM (F+wDX)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 19, 2015 11:58 PM (hlMPp)
Posted by: DoJ at December 20, 2015 12:00 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 12:00 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Buzzion
My current fav is "Cruz supported amnesty in 1865~!"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 12:01 AM (9YDUz)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 12:01 AM (9mTYi)
You know what else was "way better than the prequels"?
Love, Actually
Justin Bieber
Howard the Duck
Thalidomide
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 20, 2015 12:02 AM (RU5ki)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2015 11:48 PM (Dj0WE)
but you are just making my point.
They have already lost your vote, so why should they care if they piss you off any further? From their point of view, you are no different than a prog leftard.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:02 AM (uZNvH)
- Carrie Fisher ain't sexy no mo.
- Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father.
- Rosebud was Luke's sled.
Posted by: qdpsteve at December 20, 2015 12:03 AM (ntObR)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:03 AM (wHX4r)
Remember the Bre-X scandal? In another time line, I might have been the geologist who took the swan dive from the helicopter.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 20, 2015 12:03 AM (7MWCL)
I do love the dissonance of "you won't accept anything unless it's 100%
pure conservative!" And "how can you support Trump? He's not a
conservative at all!"
Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2015 11:58 PM (F+wDX)
You all aren't supporting Trump because he's a conservative, you are supporting him because you're pissed off, because DC Republicans have been insufficiently conservative. Am I wrong?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:04 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 12:01 AM (9mTYi)
*****
Absolutely. Because every person driving around here is batshit insane .
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:04 AM (YLidQ)
Senate rules the dems put in place when they had majority the GOP dumped
Remember fiscal cliff
Remember Lisa Murkowski
Remember Thad Cochran
Loretta lynch
The Iranian nuclear deal
Cromnibus I
Omnibus 2
We can't trust you GOP
Why should I vote for you & some rino presidential candidate? Why?m
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 12:05 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:05 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 12:05 AM (jT+gh)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Drilling question - Have you had any experience using a sand-lock to remove a well casing?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 12:05 AM (9mTYi)
They have already lost your vote, so why should they care if they piss you off any further? From their point of view, you are no different than a prog leftard.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:02 AM (uZNvH)
****
No, you are correct here. You just don't seem to get the fact that they view us as the enemy. Hence our reaction. Why is this so hard for you?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:06 AM (YLidQ)
Posted by: chemjeff
****
Insufficiently Conservative? More like insufficiently pro-America.
And no I am not a Trump fan.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 20, 2015 12:06 AM (hVdx9)
I'm tired of being told that the knife in my back was "the best they could do".
And for the record, if my choice is between a nationalist with questionable to no conservative cred and internationalists in various shades of left, I'm going to go with the nationalist, because at least that shores up the foundations.
Though I want to trust Cruz. But I know that song too well by now.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 20, 2015 12:07 AM (m9V0o)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty
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It's amazing. The rate of travel goes UP when you get inside city limits.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 12:07 AM (9mTYi)
The only wall that's going to get built will be around the bluest of cities. Well, the bluest of neighborhoods in those cities.
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2015 12:08 AM (ZxmMG)
They have already lost your vote, so why should they care if they piss you off any further? From their point of view, you are no different than a prog leftard.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:02 AM (uZNvH)
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Further thought. You post this as if we are the cause and they are the effect. Quite the inverse is true, and I hope you can get out of your safe cocoon and see that.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:08 AM (YLidQ)
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THIS!!!!!!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 20, 2015 12:08 AM (RU5ki)
I never bought a whole Howard the Duck comic book, but it ran occasionally in something in the 70s, either National Lampoon or Playboy.
I quite liked it. It was dark.
I only saw trailers for the movie and it looked awful.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 20, 2015 12:09 AM (1xUj/)
I actually have never seen Howard the Duck, maybe I should see it just so I can see how bad it supposedly is>>>
No Howard the Duck as a movie was bad so don't bother. It did come out when I was in college so it was funny to us at the time.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:09 AM (wHX4r)
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My ears are burning.
Posted by: Thom Tillis at December 20, 2015 12:09 AM (9mTYi)
Also - there was more discussion of insulin.
Not a good sign.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 20, 2015 12:09 AM (ztYE8)
But it's a very good knife.
Posted by: GOPe at December 20, 2015 12:10 AM (FkBIv)
Slightly. They haven't been remotely conservative.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2015 12:12 AM (Wckf4)
the fact that they view us as the enemy. Hence our reaction. Why is
this so hard for you?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:06 AM (YLidQ)
I don't think they view you as "the enemy", I think they view you as "unreachable"
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:12 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chemjeff
'All' is awfully individualphobic, Chemjeff.
Speaking for myself, yes. Yes, I called the code red on the GOP, and I want them to dry up and blow away.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 12:12 AM (9YDUz)
Posted by: GOPe at December 20, 2015 12:10 AM (FkBIv)
******
"Wait til they get a load of me".
Posted by: Trump's YUGE RINO Killing knife at December 20, 2015 12:12 AM (YLidQ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 12:05 AM (9mTYi)
No. And I don't even know what the term means. Ask the_real_CH3, I think he is a drilling consultant in Texas, and much more tuned in to the tech end of it than me.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 20, 2015 12:12 AM (7MWCL)
412 I'm tired of being told that the knife in my back was "the best they could do".
But it's a very good knife.
Posted by: GOPe at December 20, 2015 12:10 AM (FkBIv
You wish, round eye.
Posted by: Ginzu at December 20, 2015 12:13 AM (QkoJU)
No, you try to reach the unreachable. You shit upon your enemies.
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2015 12:13 AM (ZxmMG)
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 12:14 AM (jT+gh)
They have already lost your vote, so why should they care if they piss you off any further? From their point of view, you are no different than a prog leftard.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:02 AM (uZNvH)
****
No, you are correct here. You just don't seem to get the fact that they view us as the enemy. Hence our reaction. Why is this so hard for you?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:06 AM (YLidQ)
Yes, we are well aware of the fact that the Republican Party has no use for us.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have nothing more to say to them. What I find comical is the Gopey types who come here, mystified that we are "outraged," condescend and call us names, and wonder how we got so bitter.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 20, 2015 12:14 AM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: GGE of the Mobile Horde at December 20, 2015 12:15 AM (RnxGv)
Posted by: GOPe
Unless it's a Benchmade in a sheath with the bonus kevlar vest, no.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 12:15 AM (9YDUz)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:12 AM (uZNvH)
****
They can no longer reach me because they have, by heir actions, lost my trust forevermore. How can you not see that they are the cause of this disconnect, not the effect?
Their actions clearly show that they view people such as myself as the enemy. Remember Thad Cochran?
Posted by: Trump's YUGE RINO Killing knife at December 20, 2015 12:15 AM (YLidQ)
Slightly. They haven't been remotely conservative.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2015 12:12 AM (Wckf4)
No, they have been a little bit conservative. I totally agree that they haven't been nearly conservative enough. But compared to the lunacy of the 2009-10 Congress, they have been an improvement. Not a HUGE improvement, but still an improvement. We saw a "not conservative" Congress in 2009-10, would you rather have had more of that?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:15 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:16 AM (YLidQ)
I'm not a trump guy. He's not a conservative but neither are the majority of house & senate GOP. I share your view
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 12:16 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty
****
You just nailed it.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 20, 2015 12:17 AM (hVdx9)
Am I the only one that is tired of seeing, hearing and smelling everything Star Wars?
Hello, btw.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 12:17 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:04 AM (uZNvH)
Yes, you are wrong. I'm not supporting Trump for President of the United States. I'm supporting Trump for Screwing the Republican Party.
If he gets the former, I don't really care. But he's doing the latter, so... Trump's my guy.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 20, 2015 12:17 AM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: GGE of the Mobile Horde at December 20, 2015 12:18 AM (RnxGv)
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Because we don't want any of what they want.
They fail to understand that their job is to do what we tell them to do and that they have no autonomy.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:18 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:15 AM (uZNvH)
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Fuck that, false choice.
*Flag on the play*
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:19 AM (YLidQ)
429 Ugh.
Am I the only one that is tired of seeing, hearing and smelling everything Star Wars?
Hello, btw.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 12:17 AM (bD/dX)
I think complaining about it just makes it worse. At least their aren't any stupid "collectible" soda cans from Pepsi this time.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 20, 2015 12:19 AM (F+wDX)
improvement. Not a HUGE improvement, but still an improvement. We saw a
"not conservative" Congress in 2009-10, would you rather have had more
of that?>>>
We are approaching the cliff at speed small corrections in the right directions don't impress me anymore.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:19 AM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 20, 2015 12:19 AM (NGd+i)
Hello, btw.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 12:17 AM (bD/dX)
High five!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 20, 2015 12:19 AM (7MWCL)
You've come to the right place, you lucky duck.
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 12:20 AM (jT+gh)
Fun movie. Very enjoyable. MUCH better than the prequels. Liked all the nods to the original movies. Enjoyed the comedy.
Thought many of the aerial battles (since not many were in space) were a little too frenetic and difficult to follow.
It was really neat seeing the same actors playing the same characters over a 30 year arc.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2015 12:21 AM (Wckf4)
You've come to the right place, you lucky duck.
/hides copy of "Duck Wars: The Phantom Mallard"
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 20, 2015 12:21 AM (m9V0o)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2015 12:21 AM (Wckf4)
Heh!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 20, 2015 12:22 AM (7MWCL)
Was a fing masterpiece how dare you ridicule it.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:03 AM (wHX4r)
FIFY
Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 12:22 AM (q2o38)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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Chemjeff doesn't understand that the GOPE has told us to F off for so long that we are finally doing so. He blames us and that is exactly backwards.
While I do not agree with supporting Trump, I do understand it completely.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 20, 2015 12:22 AM (hVdx9)
It was so hyped in every possible quarter that I got sick of Star Wars before it even came out. I'll see it, eventually...a few months, years, whatever. My give a shit meter for the latest "MUST SEE NOW!!!" is pretty low.
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 20, 2015 12:23 AM (NGd+i)
effect. Quite the inverse is true, and I hope you can get out of your
safe cocoon and see that.
I think it works both ways.
Yes the GOP has done some slimy things, such as with Thad Cochran. I am pissed off about that too.
But it is also true that too many people demand unreasonable things of the GOP.
For instance ObamaCare is never ever ever ever ever going to be repealed while Obama is in office. So if you are outraged that Republicans haven't yet repealed ObamaCare then I think your outrage is not reasonable.
I don't think they have done enough to push the limits of what they can acceptably accomplish. But I do think there are limits and I think there are a lot of people who are pissed off at Republicans for not doing things that they really cannot do.
I am angry that they couldn't manage to defund Planned Parenthood but I always knew it was going to be a longshot anyway given Obama, and so I'm not outragedly outraged that it didn't happen.
People want Republicans to use the power of the purse more. I agree that they should use the power of the purse more. But they don't have unilateral control over the purse.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:23 AM (uZNvH)
Jeez. I haven't cared since... well, since I was a teenager.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 12:23 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:23 AM (wHX4r)
Posted by: george lucas at December 20, 2015 12:24 AM (EWg9n)
Since I'm not seeing it until (maybe) Tuesday, I can admit I'm tired of the effort involved in avoiding spoilers.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:24 AM (ZbV+0)
Are you kidding? Star Wars marathon at my place!
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 20, 2015 12:24 AM (ZxmMG)
Am I the only one that is tired of seeing, hearing and smelling everything Star Wars?
Hello, btw.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 12:17 AM (bD/dX)
Howdy, howdy. The fiancee has a tree. Repeat -- the fiancee has a tree.
I did not get killed in the process.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 12:24 AM (EzgxV)
purse more. I agree that they should use the power of the purse more.
But they don't have unilateral control over the purse.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:23 AM (uZNvH)
In all too many cases, they don't even make an effort. It's failure theater all the way down.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 20, 2015 12:25 AM (7MWCL)
I did not get killed in the process.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 12:24 AM (EzgxV)
Congratulations! It must have taken all of your tentacles to put it up
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:26 AM (uZNvH)
In addition to the false choice you presented, I'd like to see what it is you call "a little bit conservative".
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2015 12:26 AM (Wckf4)
Yes her acting skill made the movie.
And congrats on getting the badass Olds 442 post.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:27 AM (wHX4r)
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They control both houses of congress. nothing gets passed unless they pass it.
All they have to do is nothing until obama caves. If that means shutting down the government for two years, so be it. We don't need it like the dem constituencies do.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:27 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2015 12:27 AM (VdICR)
Yes the GOP has done some slimy things, such as with Thad Cochran. I am pissed off about that too.
But it is also true that too many people demand unreasonable things of the GOP...
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:23 AM (uZNvH)
Yes honey, I cheat on you with crack whores, but you have to admit, you've put on a few pounds since we got married.
Sorry really, we're both to blame.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 20, 2015 12:29 AM (Dj0WE)
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Fully funding Planned Parenthood?
No, wait...
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 20, 2015 12:29 AM (RU5ki)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/oxzp9m3
Except that the inner pipe is sized so as to lock on the casing, rather than the screen as shown.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 12:29 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2015 12:29 AM (ZxmMG)
chemjeff, may seem a little "unrealistic" -- but I think we really do have a massive spending problem and fundamental misunderstanding of the power of our federal government in DC.
When the R's ran in 2010 (and to a lesser extend in 2014) I took them at their word that they were going to do something to fix it.
If that requires shutting down government for 4 years, so be it. If that requires not passing a single cent of spending out of congress or holding steady on the debt ceiling -- that's what they should do.
But instead, they say "yeah yeah serious problem" and continue to increase spending, regulations, and the size of our fedgov
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 12:29 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 12:30 AM (jT+gh)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 20, 2015 12:30 AM (F+wDX)
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This is a new code phrase, right?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 12:30 AM (9mTYi)
You seem to be in denial still. Many of us are past that.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 20, 2015 12:30 AM (hVdx9)
Not my first choice, but at least hopefully it will be somewhat disruptive to the process.
All of that being said, I still support Rand over Trump as that instrument. But we'll see.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 12:30 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 20, 2015 12:31 AM (RU5ki)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2015 12:26 AM (Wckf4)
Well I don't think it is much of a false choice.
We didn't get cap and trade, we didn't get a carbon tax, we didn't get excessive porkulus levels of spending (do we have too much spending? yes, but it is not as much as it would have been with Pelosi or Bernie in charge), we didn't get more gun control even when the pressure was very strong on Republicans to "do something" after Sandy Hook, we did manage to keep most of the Bush tax cuts
Now you are going to say "that isn't conservative enough", and I agree it isn't, but at least I see that they have done a few things that merit praise
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:31 AM (uZNvH)
I did not get killed in the process.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 12:24 AM (EzgxV)
Congratulations! It must have taken all of your tentacles to put it up
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:26 AM (uZNvH)
It's "getting it home" where I normally take the most damage. We don't have anything remotely resembling an SUV or pickup -- I have a '94 Honda Accord Wagon. We haven't done a tree for a few years, but it used to be the tradition to put it on the roof and hold onto it through the open sunroof -- while driving a stick in the rain, with holiday traffic.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 12:31 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2015 12:32 AM (VdICR)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 20, 2015 12:32 AM (Kucy5)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 20, 2015 12:32 AM (RU5ki)
down the government for two years, so be it. We don't need it like the
dem constituencies do."
The Chamber of Commerce, and their various flunkies, toadies, stooges, and auxiliaries certainly do need for the government to operate.
I will quote again the estimate that Wal-Mart, the distribution arm of the modern American welfare state, derives one-fifth of its total net profit (not gross revenue) from EBT transactions.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 20, 2015 12:32 AM (noWW6)
But it is also true that too many people demand unreasonable things of the GOP...
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:23 AM (uZNvH)
What's unreasonable though?
They represent me: I want them to use any means necessary to cut spending. Shut down government, refuse to pass a budget, declare a 3 year recess... whatever it takes
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 12:32 AM (AkOaV)
All they have to do is nothing until obama
caves. If that means shutting down the government for two years, so be
it. We don't need it like the dem constituencies do.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:27 AM (ZbV+0)
but that isn't going to happen and you know it, and it is unreasonable to demand that Republicans "shut down the government for two years", not even Reagan or Newt Gingrich was able to pull that off.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:33 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (Kucy5)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:23 AM (uZNvH)
*****
Good lord, I am tired of a couple of things.
1. Apologists. You are one, a big fat one, and an enabler of these assholes to continue as if they do not by their actions deserve every bit of scorn, derision, and mistrust that comes their way. They have earned that. Stop trying to fucking rationalize their actions.
2. Rose colored glasses. Get those fuckers off and study what these assholes have done. Begin with the Omnibus this week and look backward from there. There is nothing that they have not caved on to the Mocha Messiah since 09. Nothing.
Don't you fucking dare point a finger back at Conservatives when these fucks have been given the ultimate sign of trust and encouragement, our votes, when they have then used these votes to shout loud and long right back in our faces "Fuck you Proles! We know better!"
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (YLidQ)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (uZNvH)
Now I see why I didn't get a pic of the tree the other day!
We always had plastic ones, and they were up by 12/01 as a kid. I never had a real tree 'til I was adult & living on my own.
*Haven't put up a tree in 25 or 30 years. Bah. Humbug.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (bD/dX)
Wasn't the budget passed over a Trillion?
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (wHX4r)
Yeah, yeah, but I think we have a fundamental problem with our current federal system. And no matter how seriously our so-called representatives pretend to take us when they run for office, they get to DC and act like business as usual.
And nothing gets through to them that fuck your business as usual.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (AkOaV)
They didn't beat you with a stick. Why are you complaining?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (FkBIv)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (uZNvH)
Why?
Because it might hurt some of their re-election chances? Why do I care? They're supposed to be citizen legislators.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (AkOaV)
I'm so tired of this excuse. Let's look past the very real, and very reasonable tactic of forcing a veto. Forget waging a major media and PR campaign against it. The Republicans haven't even been able to stop the politically damaging to the Democrats' delays in implementation of the act. Why? Because they don't want to.
They wouldn't even do it if Romney had won. You're not fooling anyone here except maybe yourself. Why? Because if Romney had won, the goalposts would have been promptly moved to "Too Big To Repeal, We Have To Fix It".
Actual reasonable people aren't buying what you're selling.
>>"I don't think they have done enough to push the limits of what they can acceptably accomplish. But I do think there are limits and I think there are a lot of people who are pissed off at Republicans for not doing things that they really cannot do."
Incorrect again. We're pissed off that the Republicans aren't doing what the *said* they were going to do. That Republicans can't even stick to their own party platforms.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2015 12:35 AM (Wckf4)
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 12:35 AM (jT+gh)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 20, 2015 12:32 AM (Kucy5)
That almost sounds like fun. Almost sounds like a reason to see it.
Almost.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 20, 2015 12:35 AM (Dj0WE)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/oxzp9m3
Except that the inner pipe is sized so as to lock on the casing, rather than the screen as shown.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 12:29 AM (9mTYi)
Ah, so. I see the principle involved fine; essentially the sharp sand works like a toothless ratchet. Doubt it would work for cemented-in casing, which is the norm for oil or gas wells.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 20, 2015 12:35 AM (7MWCL)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:33 AM (uZNvH)
It doesnt take anything to pull off. We gave them a majority in 2010. Pass a budget with real cuts, then go in to recess.
Obama can either accept the budget or deal with years of govt shutdown.
Why is that unreasonable when we're looking at 18T+ in debt?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 12:36 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:36 AM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 12:37 AM (34alA)
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Bullshit. We're spending every bit as much as we did when they set the budget, because *THE SAME PEOPLE ARE SETTING THE BUDGET*.
Further, the gop doesn't get credit for simply not doing things the communist party would have done. It is their job to undo, at any cost to them, things which the communists have done.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:37 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 12:37 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: BourbonChicken
Apparently, you and I are on the wrong internet. Or, at least board.
(Yes, I called it a board...)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 12:37 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (uZNvH)
You know what else is fantasy? Your continued majority in Congress.
That's gone. You'll never see it again in your lifetime, and you can be outraged about it if you want, but it won't matter what you think or how you feel.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 20, 2015 12:38 AM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 12:38 AM (voOPb)
No, but only because I don't have a working TV and so haven' had any ads. The only place I ran into "Star Wars" stuff (aside from some mentions on the internet) was when I was at the Mall when I was Christmas shopping and there was set up for a boy's bedroom which had a round pillow with Yoda on it and C3p0 (Is that the name?). It made me laugh.
However, if you have TV I imagine this stuff is way over the top.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 20, 2015 12:38 AM (qES5k)
I understand you are being optimistic, but too many of us have been watching for too long to share your optimism.
Hell, after they booted Gingrich, they went on a spending/big govt. binge. They WANT big govt. They want ridiculous spending. You disagree.
We will have to agree to disagree then.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 20, 2015 12:38 AM (hVdx9)
and auxiliaries certainly do need for the government to operate.
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Yes, they indeed do.
The Chamber of Commerce is not part of *us*.
They are unwelcome in the coalitions.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:39 AM (ZbV+0)
If they're "trying as hard as they can", why do they keep unilaterally disarming?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 20, 2015 12:40 AM (m9V0o)
It doesnt take anything to pull off. We gave them a majority in 2010. Pass a budget with real cuts, then go in to recess.
So why do you think that this has never ever been done before?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:41 AM (uZNvH)
to demand that Republicans "shut down the government for two years", not
even Reagan or Newt Gingrich was able to pull that off.
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All they have to do is literally nothing.
There is no easier thing that could be asked of them.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:41 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:33 AM (uZNvH)
Not calling you wrong, but I'd ask you review your sources on that. It was not that cut-and-dried.
"brought the other side to negotiate a settlement" is not the same thing as "surrender", or "throw in the towel" or "preemptively modify stance to avoid any scent of discord with our esteemed friends across the aisle".
I don't disagree with you, but surely you have better arguments than linguistic generalization and conflating facts.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 12:41 AM (q2o38)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:42 AM (wHX4r)
So, at best, you're presenting the argument that the Republicans kept the Titanic's fantail above water? That they've simply slowed the leftward slide of the country?
Like I said - not remotely Conservative.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2015 12:42 AM (Wckf4)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:41 AM (uZNvH)
****
I hope for your sake you remain good enough at Chemistry that you never have to go to teaching political history. That would not end well for you.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:43 AM (YLidQ)
communist party would have done. It is their job to undo, at any cost to
them, things which the communists have done.
So, hypothetically speaking:
Would you support a Republican Congress which proposed cuts that were so unpopular that it meant certain loss at the next election, at which time the Communists would come back and reverse all of the cuts and make things even worse than they are now?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:43 AM (uZNvH)
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This is a new code phrase, right?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 20, 2015 12:30 AM (9mTYi)
What happened to the bush?,
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 12:44 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:18 AM (ZbV+0)
Yes.
Posted by: Hanoverfist at December 20, 2015 12:44 AM (DMoow)
You are here enough.
Even if just coming to this one site/board, it's stupid overload. And I'm not a hater!
I want to shove a light saber in my eye.
(I hope you had a great birthday, btw - you have always been one of my favorites)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 12:44 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 12:45 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 20, 2015 12:45 AM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 20, 2015 12:26 AM (Wckf4)
Well I don't think it is much of a false choice.
We didn't get cap and trade, we didn't get a carbon tax, we didn't get excessive porkulus levels of spending (do we have too much spending? yes, but it is not as much as it would have been with Pelosi or Bernie in charge), we didn't get more gun control even when the pressure was very strong on Republicans to "do something" after Sandy Hook, we did manage to keep most of the Bush tax cuts
Now you are going to say "that isn't conservative enough", and I agree it isn't, but at least I see that they have done a few things that merit praise
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:31 AM (uZNvH)
They have done a few things that might merit praise if engineered from the minority. They were handed a clear majority in both houses (something rare in US history) in order to do more -- specifically, to undo some of the abominations inflicted on us while Democrats had majorities in both houses and the Presidency [wish we still had blink as a tag -- OBAMACARE!!!]. They have not.
What would have been heroic from a minority looks pathetic with majorities. What should have been possible with majorities looks abandoned. What may have been heroic from majorities looks like an impossible fantasy with the current bunch of clowns. Thus, "GOPe" -- the nominal GOP standing in the way of liberty, freedom, strength, and economic growth through small government.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 12:45 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 12:46 AM (jT+gh)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 12:47 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:47 AM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:18 AM (ZbV+0)
see I disagree with that.
that is just democracy, which is what we don't have and shouldn't have.
We should have political leaders who sometimes do things that their constituents wouldn't approve of, if they do it for the cause of a higher principle.
Now I of course agree that Republicans haven't done as much of this. but elected reps aren't just blind followers of the popular will.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:47 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:41 AM (uZNvH)
I don't know, but let me tell you my situation (and its far from unique for my generation). I'm in my late 20s. I spent more than 10x as much as my dad did to go to college. I have way less opportunity then he did when he got out of college. My pay, adjusted for inflation, is about the same as my dads. But my taxes, fees, monthly expenses, health insurance, etc, (including "basic" bills he didnt have: cable, internet cell phone) are way higher than his were at my age. And on top of that, I have to support my dad and his entire generation when they retire and collect social security. Oh, and 90 million people aren't working while I am, so I have to support them too. Oh, and there is 18 Trillion (and growing) in debt that's on the books, much of which was promised and accumulated before I was born. Oh, and on top of that, I have way fewer freedoms then my dad and his generation had.
And my choices are to vote for people who are all for the status quo, who are all doing very well with how things are, and I have to just... suck it up. Nothing my elected officials can do or want to do.
So yeah, I'm not someone in my 60's talking about hypothetical grandchildren paying back the debts my generation and the ones before have accumulated. I'm the person who will have to deal with this shit.
SO yes, excuse me for expecting my elected officials to act like someone drastic has to be done to change that trajectory. I guess I should just suck it up and deal with my lot in life, right?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 12:47 AM (AkOaV)
unpopular that it meant certain loss at the next election, at which
time the Communists would come back and reverse all of the cuts and make
things even worse than they are now?
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Yes.
The the electorate alone would bear the responsibility for the disaster and deserve every bitterness that comes with it.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:48 AM (ZbV+0)
@507 false premise Jeff you know it
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who
drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 12:45 AM (voOPb)
No I don't think it is.
Look at what happened to the Democrats when they passed ObamaCare. That is why they lost their majorities.
And quite frankly I think Jindal's experience in Louisiana has shown that actually cutting government isn't as broadly popular as we think it is
And no, I'm not a prog
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:49 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:43 AM (uZNvH)
****
Holy shit, how many Strawmen need to die in your everlasting quest to defend these traitorious cocksuckers?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:49 AM (YLidQ)
that is fantasy
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (uZNvH)
You are correct -- I believe the longest recess possible in our system is 23 months and 30 days. OTOH -- anyone ever try to do one for more than a year? I'd applaud the effort.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 12:49 AM (EzgxV)
Fatally, I hope. They need to go to hell.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 20, 2015 12:49 AM (RU5ki)
Lacking that, it seems we shall have one on the streets.
And that, mi amigos, is truly going to pull some serious inches of mercury.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at December 20, 2015 12:50 AM (McRlu)
Now I see why I didn't get a pic of the tree the other day!
We always had plastic ones, and they were up by 12/01 as a kid. I never had a real tree 'til I was adult & living on my own.
*Haven't put up a tree in 25 or 30 years. Bah. Humbug.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 12:34 AM (bD/dX)
Yup, it always has to be in the last 10 days before Xmas, 'cause then you can bask in its glow until after New Years' without it going to a pile of dead leaves and sticks.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 12:51 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:49 AM (uZNvH)
****
I'm sure in Academia, you are quite the Rebel. Here, you are acting like a very slightly right leaning Bernie Sanders.
Sad part is that you probably believe you are a solid Conservative.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:51 AM (YLidQ)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:49 AM (YLidQ)
I'm actually not defending them. All along I have said that they could have done much more than what they have done.
And it isn't all that hypothetical, it is not far from what happened with the Democrats when they passed ObamaCare, they lost their majorities because it was not popular at the time.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:52 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 12:52 AM (jT+gh)
proposed cuts that were so unpopular that it meant certain loss at the
next election, at which time the Communists would come back and reverse
all of the cuts and make things even worse than they are now?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:43 AM (uZNvH)
So your choice is to surrender now and never try, or try to fix things with the possibility that it will be unpopular enough that someone might undo the fix?
Why do you get up in the morning and go to work if you might get fired one day?
Why do you vacuum the floor if the house might burn down?
Why pay your taxes because there might be hyperinflation and you can pay your fines when they catch up with you from the change you get squeedgeeing windshields at the stoplight?
Are you asking why to be moral? Why honor your promises? Am I misunderstanding your questions?
Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 12:52 AM (q2o38)
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I don't criticize cthulhu, I just think it's important that we be clear on that point.
The Republican party was given a greater share of congress than at any point since the civil war *WHEN THE DEMOCRAT SOUTH WASN"T ALLOWED TO SEAT REPRESENTATIVES* and it hasn't made a lick of difference in the foreign president doing anything he wants.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:52 AM (ZbV+0)
Got voted out
Obama was reelected
And yet ACA remains
Dems probably take senate next year
Did you see Schumer thank McConnell & Ryan for taking it up the a$$?
So yeah I stick by my original statement
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 12:53 AM (voOPb)
Did they? I'm not seeing any change.
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2015 12:53 AM (ZxmMG)
that actually cutting government isn't as broadly popular as we think it
is
And no, I'm not a prog>>>
I agree we are fucked just the way our forefathers foretold "Here is a Republic if you can keep it" (something like that anyways). I'm Just not ready to lie back and think of England yet.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 12:53 AM (wHX4r)
Lacking that, it seems we shall have one on the streets.
And that, mi amigos, is truly going to pull some serious inches of mercury.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at December 20, 2015 12:50 AM (McRlu)
That's the part that has me bitter. I expect politicians to act like craven whores. But good people are going to die.
And I'm tired of having people come here and tell me I'm supposed to care about those politicians losing their jobs.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 20, 2015 12:54 AM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 12:54 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:47 AM (uZNvH)
***
OK, now you are in Troll territory.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:54 AM (YLidQ)
constituents wouldn't approve of, if they do it for the cause of a
higher principle.
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Perhaps you could name one such example of where the GOPe has done there own thing in cooperation with the foreign president due to a higher principle, as opposed to all the other times.
Please be specific.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:55 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: william at December 20, 2015 12:55 AM (cwAFZ)
For anyone interested, here is a Christian video-"Faith Can Light a Candle (in the dark)." We will be singing it tomorrow night at our church Christmas service. They don't have a service on Christmas Eve because it allows people to be home with their families.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/gmm9rjz
One of the posters I love here-teej-although I don['t see them too often-signs off with "Love each other fellow babies" which I think is lovely.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 20, 2015 12:55 AM (qES5k)
We even had a white plastic tree for a few years. One year it was decorated in all blue, the next - all red. Lights, ornaments, garland...
The tree matched Mom & Dad's matching Cordovas.
Gawd, I miss the seventies...
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 12:57 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2015 11:33 PM (DLIIY)
Another reason to not go see Star Wars.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 12:57 AM (C3E0x)
Sad part is that you probably believe you are a solid Conservative.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:51 AM (YLidQ)
look I don't know what your problem is with me, just because I'm not some populist asshole.
here is what I would like to see happen:
Private social security in a Chilean-type system with private accounts
Privatize all government spending in health care, following a Singapore-style model with HSA's and HDHP's
Overturn Roe v. Wade, and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, and Obergefell, and send all abortion and gay marriage decisions back to the states
Close Depts of Commerce, Education, Energy, VA (that should be part of defense dept anyway)
Those are just off the top of my head, I am sure I could come up with more
Do I wish that a Republican Congress would enact all of these things right away? Yes. But I know some of these changes would be very unpopular and we have to build the case for them incrementally and slowly. I also try not to take what accomplishments they have made for granted, I realize that things would be a lot worse if they hadn't been there, we would have carbon taxes and gun control and a whole lot of other crap that would make ObamaCare seem like a small government dream.
and yes I think I know more about conservatism than the average Trump supporter.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:58 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 20, 2015 12:58 AM (F+wDX)
We can't give Sr. Citizen SS cola increases but take on uneducated, illiterate refugees who don't know the first thing about western civ
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 12:59 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:18 AM (ZbV+0)
see I disagree with that.
that is just democracy, which is what we don't have and shouldn't have.
We should have political leaders who sometimes do things that their constituents wouldn't approve of, if they do it for the cause of a higher principle.
Now I of course agree that Republicans haven't done as much of this. but elected reps aren't just blind followers of the popular will.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:47 AM (uZNvH)
You're real close here......but taking the wrong side. The GOPe preached a higher principle; they swore oaths to a higher principle; they got votes for a higher principle -- then voted in a way antithetical to that higher principle to feather their own nests. They were supposed to say, "it is better to have no government at all than one that is evil and set against its people," and they winked at evil and acted against the people that elected them.....because they might not get re-elected if they did not go along.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 12:59 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:54 AM (YLidQ)
Really? I seem to recall the Federalist Papers speaking quite clearly on the need to have a representative republic in the framework of divided government because they were distrustful of the mob
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:00 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 19, 2015 11:35 PM (uZNvH)
Totally wrong. That would be a great victory. YUUUUGGGEEE. A basis for fighting for more.
Ain't gonna happen though.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:00 AM (C3E0x)
Gawd, I miss the seventies...>>>
Yes we all miss the Fine Corinthian leather.
Posted by: Ricardo Montalban at December 20, 2015 01:00 AM (wHX4r)
I'm not sure I understand your first sentence, but as far as I am concerned every FICA dollar that comes out of my paycheck to transfer to a baby boomer is one less dollar in my back account to pay my bills.
So, sorry, I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who expect transfer payments from me every month.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:01 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Serious Cat at December 20, 2015 01:01 AM (ADIwO)
Restraint, practice restraint. Yes.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 01:02 AM (34alA)
God bless you and your family and Merry Christmas, William.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 20, 2015 01:02 AM (qES5k)
with the possibility that it will be unpopular enough that someone might
undo the fix?
No, *that* is a false choice
You make incremental changes the best that you can
Of course Republicans haven't been doing enough of that, I have never said they were paragons of pure conservatism.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:02 AM (uZNvH)
the need to have a representative republic in the framework of divided
government because they were distrustful of the mob>>>
Wow you think we have a divided govt. Now that is funny.
Posted by: Ricardo Montalban at December 20, 2015 01:02 AM (wHX4r)
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Not is you think government has a right to make its own decisions.
That positions disqualifies you as an American, much less a conservative.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:02 AM (ZbV+0)
536 In my opinion people shouldn't be personally insulted just for disagreeing with someone else's political views.
But maybe that's just me.
Watching ChemJ get constantly insulted while he maintains his focus on substantive arguments is inspiring tho
Posted by: MAx at December 20, 2015 01:03 AM (LAliD)
I almost said the same thing (I just read backwards 100 posts)!
Stick around - let's talk about something fun.
Doggies? Babies? Heck, I'll put on pants & take a pic of the decorationsI put up for the neighbor if you promise not to talk about SW or Trump...
(Probably won't actually put on pants, but I will go take a pic)
It's Christmastime, so put away the hate - You're chasing away the pastor, fercryingoutloud!
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:03 AM (bD/dX)
550 I saw SW:TFA tonight. I thought it was more a JJ Abrams movie than a Star Wars movie. on plus side the new heroes are good but man was there a dearth of new ideas -- extremely derivivative of OT plots and visual design. I think Disney may be vetoeing anything that's directly out of originals.
Posted by: Serious Cat at December 20, 2015 01:01 AM (ADIwO)
Becaus the original movie was absolutely original and George Lucas didn't borrow or rip off any other movies.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 20, 2015 01:04 AM (F+wDX)
principle; they got votes for a higher principle -- then voted in a way
antithetical to that higher principle to feather their own nests.
people here are demanding why Republicans haven't put the government on a "3 year recess" simply on the basis that their constituents demand it - first I don't think all of their constituents demand a "3 year recess", and secondly, even if they did, Republicans should not do it ONLY BECAUSE their constituents demand it.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:04 AM (uZNvH)
And it isn't all that hypothetical, it is not far from what happened with the Democrats when they passed ObamaCare, they lost their majorities because it was not popular at the time.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:52 AM (uZNvH)
****
I find your positions to be insular, compartmented, and totally clueless. You obviously have very little idea how the World works outside of your bubble.
That would be OK, if you were willing to admit that. Sad fact is you are not even willing to try, or admit it, because all is working well for you. Really sad.
I once again find myself drawn into a "Look at me!!" "Eleventy!" responses to Chemjeff On the ONT.
No more. Next ones will be short and brutal.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:04 AM (YLidQ)
for my generation). I'm in my late 20s. I spent more than 10x as much as
my dad did to go to college. I have way less opportunity then he did
when he got out of college. My pay, adjusted for inflation, is about the
same as my dads."
Plus, having to compete with deliberately imported foreign labor at all levels who have been brought in to kick the props out from under U.S. citizen wage levels.
Plus, having to pay substantially more for energy in all its forms due to various "green" mandates and taxes. This will increase steadily in the out years due to the tail effect of these policies.
Plus, the colossal unfunded mandate that is Obamacare. Not all that long ago, healthy people in their late 20s could pay basically a small multiple of their age in dollars per month for catastrophic health care policies. No more! Now they are locked in to O-care, which amounts to catastrophic care deductibles at Cadillac policy premiums, and no opportunity to demur. Fork it over or else.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 20, 2015 01:04 AM (noWW6)
And I make a very decent income.
Much more then most of my friends and contemporaries.
I'm just trying to say -- this is why people are pissed. It's easy to smile and go along to get along when you grow up with a growing economy, plenty of opportunities, low barriers to entry, etc. When you have none of that -- it's very aggravating to hear people say "well, business as usual. What do you expect? This is how things work."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:04 AM (AkOaV)
God, that just oozes slime. If the changes were unpopular, the people elected to enact them wouldn't have been elected. Oh, you mean unpopular according to what you read in the papers! I don't care.
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2015 01:05 AM (ZxmMG)
if any one wishes to enact a new statute, he proposes it with his neck in a noose, and if the statute is judged to be good and useful, the proposer goes away alive, but, if not, the noose is drawn and he dies. ... [in more than two hundred years] they had only one new statute passed.
Posted by: Tom Ridge at December 20, 2015 01:05 AM (e8kgV)
That positions disqualifies you as an American, much less a conservative.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:02 AM (ZbV+0)
I didn't say I was an anarchist, I said I'm a conservative
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:05 AM (uZNvH)
They aren't even doing that. That would mean things shift slowly to the right. Instead they just move more slowly to the left, and with slightly different window dressing.
I'm out. I doubt anything we say will cause the scales to drop from your eyes on this. Or that you'll understand why we react to such things as we do.
G'night Horde. Try to keep the blood stains minimal. Or at least entertaining.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 20, 2015 01:05 AM (m9V0o)
Posted by: torquewrench at December 20, 2015 01:04 AM (noWW6)
Right. I'm paying thousands of dollars a year for health insurance I need to buy but do not use. And if I do need to use it for some reason, my deductible is ludicrous. That's a couple hundred bucks a month I'm just pissing away on the off chance I get hit by a bus driven by an illegal who doesn't have liability insurance.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:06 AM (AkOaV)
A boomer born in '46 was not old enough to vote for LBJ. It was the greatest generation that voted for that sorry SOB.
And you can thank the MSM for supporting the distortions that got him elected.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 01:06 AM (34alA)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:04 AM (uZNvH)
okay, then whats the next step? If our representatives ignore us on that, what's our option at that point?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:07 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: MAx at December 20, 2015 01:03 AM (LAliD)
Nonsense. You're not paying attention. He called people "assholes," "outrage machine," and "mob."
Those are just the actual insults. The dripping condescension he gives away, thinking we're not smart enough to notice because we're Trump supporters.
And he's going to get insulted back, then act all wounded and hurt.
This play has been running here for a very long time. We know how it ends.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 20, 2015 01:08 AM (Dj0WE)
Hmm, I couldn't put my finger on it at the time but androgyne Rey does seem a tad goofy in retrospect.
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 01:09 AM (jT+gh)
And you can thank the MSM for supporting the distortions that got him elected.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 01:06 AM (34alA)
Fine, I agree -- mostly lost, silent and greatest generations who voted for this shit. How does that change anything? Boomers had 50 years to fix it, and instead found ways to profit off the system... at the expense of their descendants.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:09 AM (AkOaV)
The GOP is supposed to represent US and they are flat out not doing so.
They are called public servants for a reason.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 20, 2015 01:09 AM (hVdx9)
unpopular, the people elected to enact them wouldn't have been elected.
Oh, you mean unpopular according to what you read in the papers! I
don't care.
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2015 01:05 AM (ZxmMG)
No, actually unpopular overall. I think Jindal's situation in Louisiana actually lends credence to the idea that actually cutting government isn't all that broadly popular even among conservative voters. They want SS and Medicare and subsidized housing (in the form of the mortgage tax deduction) and subsidized student loans and public hospitals and all sorts of crap from the government but they just don't want to pay for it. Just in my little town, there was outrage over the city's plan to close one of its underused fire stations. And which group was the first to complain? It was the local Tea Party crowd (who long ago veered far into nuttery territory) who complained the loudest.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:09 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:58 AM (uZNvH)
****
Not even close to understanding Conservatism, Hombre.
In your bubble world, sure.
Real world. No fucking way. You are not even within 100 yards of the target.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:09 AM (YLidQ)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 20, 2015 01:09 AM (RU5ki)
Pre-30 conservatives? Hah! I've been a registered voter that long.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:10 AM (bD/dX)
I'm just venting my frustrations with the position you seem to be taking on this issue.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:10 AM (AkOaV)
Pre-30 conservatives? Hah! I've been a registered voter that long.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:10 AM (bD/dX)
I'm far from the only one on here.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:10 AM (AkOaV)
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Do you understand what the Constitution is?
It is a permission slip.
A permission slip we gave to the federal government to exist. They have no rights. None at all. They exist for the sole purpose of preserving our Rights.
Outside of that, there is no reason to allow them to exist. Obamacare and every other wealth distribution program puts them outside the permission slip.
The GOPe has only been allowed to exist because We the People wanted to find a peaceful way to resolve our differences with the alien democrats and the totally worthless cowardly moderate republicans you celebrate.
That isn't working./\
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:11 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:05 AM (uZNvH)
*****
No, you are a Republican. Big fucking difference.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:12 AM (YLidQ)
I also need to go to sleep because I have to get up at 7:00 EST for a church service ;^) but I'd he happy to see you in pants ;^) ( and your Christmas pictures another time.
I don't mind people disagreeing. We're going to disagree here. When they start using really abusive crude sexual language as a put down-nope. It changes nobody's mind
We need more light-less heat.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 20, 2015 01:13 AM (qES5k)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:23 AM (uZNvH)
CONGRESS has power over the purse.
REPUBLICANS control congress.
ERGO, Republicans have control of the purse. But they don't use it to advance a conservative agenda AT ALL. They just help out their friends in the CofC and the Democratic party.
Why is this so fucking hard to understand???????
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:14 AM (C3E0x)
You make incremental changes the best that you can
Of course Republicans haven't been doing enough of that, I have never said they were paragons of pure conservatism.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:02 AM (uZNvH)
You start wiggling and redefining.
I get the feeling you are trying to nuance your way out of a position you are not happy defending.
You said "Would you support a Republican Congress which
proposed cuts that were so unpopular that it meant certain loss at the
next election, at which time the Communists would come back and reverse
all of the cuts and make things even worse than they are now?"
My answer is yes, and my counsel is to try it - it may never have been tried before so it might be a nice change.
ACA lost Dems positions because their base didn't want it either. I suspect if the GOPe decided to defend liberty and the rule of law and some guarantee that there will be a future for the republic they would get an amazing amount of support.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 01:14 AM (q2o38)
Too much of a dick measuring contest for me, too. I'm out, too. At least for a while.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:14 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:12 AM (YLidQ)
No, I'm a conservative first, always have been. It's the Trump supporters who have sacrificed any fidelity to conservative principles in favor of some short-term emotional goal or in favor of raw populism.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:15 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 12:54 AM (AkOaV)
The population of the US is about 300M. The national debt is about $18T. That works out to about $18
That has to be either (a) extracted from taxpayers; (b) defaulted on; or (c) monetized -- so that the amount people are actually willing to pay (say, 3 weeks of labor without pay) represents the dollars owed.....IOW, inflation to the point where a $5,500/hour wage looks reasonable.
In each case, the government must prevaricate as to its actual intentions until it acts. If it intends to monetize, it has to pretend that it will extract or default; if it intends to default, it has to pretend that it will extract or monetize; if it intends to extract, it has to pretend it will default or monetize......right up to the minute it actually does.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:15 AM (EzgxV)
I've been a registered voter longer than that. Get off my lawn. ;^)
Good night!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 20, 2015 01:15 AM (qES5k)
Posted by: yannkeefifth at December 20, 2015 01:15 AM (vb33c)
And, by the way, contained therein is the only valid 'higher principle' there is.
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2015 01:16 AM (ZxmMG)
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 20, 2015 01:16 AM (vb33c)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 20, 2015 01:04 AM (F+wDX)
The millenium falcon, star destroyer, tie fighter, etc were all original. I'm talking about the art direction... which is pretty boring. Not even the two planet locations are alien in any way.
Posted by: Serious Cat at December 20, 2015 01:16 AM (ADIwO)
You sound like a libertarian. Which is fine. But it is not identically the same as conservative.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:16 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Bitch McConnell at December 20, 2015 01:17 AM (u5gzz)
Said I wasn't gonna get drunk.
Oops.
How's everyone doing?
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:17 AM (R5HRU)
Right. And that $18 Trillion is growing by millions a day.
And at some point, I'm going to be expected to pay that back. And you're dividing out by total population -- what does that dollar per actual employed working taxpayer number look like? I don't even want to know!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:17 AM (AkOaV)
Mainly I am just procrastinating from having to do my grading.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:18 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:18 AM (bD/dX)
caves. If that means shutting down the government for two years, so be
it. We don't need it like the dem constituencies do.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 12:27 AM (ZbV+0)
but that isn't going to happen and you know it, and it is unreasonable to demand that Republicans "shut down the government for two years", not even Reagan or Newt Gingrich was able to pull that off.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:33 AM (uZNvH)
Because they're all a bunch of spineless pussies, including anybody who thinks it can't be done.
Not a personal attack, but how I feel regardless.
This country is incapable of making the tough decisions anymore. Those decisions will be forced on us though, and when they are, the wailing, oh good Lord. I just hope it happens in my lifetime.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:18 AM (C3E0x)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:19 AM (R5HRU)
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I suppose if you think libertarians are the only people who can read the plain english of the Declaration of Independence.
I'm not a fan of pot or atheists, myself.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:19 AM (ZbV+0)
I agree that they haven't had enough balls. I wish they would grow some more. But I also try to see the bigger picture. I think things would be a lot worse if they weren't there.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:19 AM (uZNvH)
1. primary ryan.
2. if ryan wins primary, everyone vote for his competition.
either way he is not going back after his betrayal.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 20, 2015 01:19 AM (vb33c)
Problem was, nobody knew what osteoporosis was. They simply could not sell it; no demand.
So they shelved the drug and any ads for it for several years, and instead promoted an "awareness raising" campaign of the cause of, treatment for, and horrors resulting from osteoporosis.
THEN they brought a rebranded version of their drug onto the market, where it sold like a piping hot bone-strengthening cake.
Rumor has it the same tactic gets pulled out from time to time. For blood pressure medication. Under the guise of a chemist named Jeff.
Don't feed the trolls.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 01:20 AM (ubByS)
I'll leave you with this: thanks to everyone who voted over the last 50-100 years and gave us the government we have today.
We millennials really appreciate how you spent money and made promises like one hit wonder rappers and left us with the bill.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:20 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 01:20 AM (wHX4r)
Don't worry about it. Just kick back, have another drink, and throw your empties at the combatants.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 20, 2015 01:20 AM (YJmuy)
Many of us did as well at one time, but the GOP made it clear that was folly.
When you have someone in denial there is nothing you can do or say that will snap them out of it. You have to let them come out of it on their own, IF they ever do.
The GOP lied about what they would even TRY to do just to get elected, and because we are holding them to those statements, he says we are being unreasonable.
There is no logic in that argument. Don't waste your time.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 20, 2015 01:20 AM (hVdx9)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:19 AM (uZNvH)
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I'll break my own rule.
How? How could they possibly be worse. Name just two things that could possibly be worse.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 01:21 AM (ubByS)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:15 AM (uZNvH)
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Bull. Fucking. Shit.
He is at over 40% popularity because he has touched third rails that only he can because he is self funded. Illegals are not popular. He gets and talks about that.
You are like GWB the first, fiercely trying to convince himself that he alone is Conservative, and all those others who claim they are are really mean, so shut up!
You are at best a Squish, and at worst an enabler.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:21 AM (YLidQ)
Hol up.....you're in my age bracket?
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:21 AM (R5HRU)
I'm not sure I understand your first sentence, but as far as I am concerned every FICA dollar that comes out of my paycheck to transfer to a baby boomer is one less dollar in my back account to pay my bills.
So, sorry, I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who expect transfer payments from me every month.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:01 AM (AkOaV)
I agree with you. Although I'm a boomer I'm also saving for my retirement. Don't expect SS to be available.
I have a problem with American citizens who need SS who were promised SS & to be taken care of VETs and the govt shafts them. Shafts them to take on people we don't want or need in this country
In the scheme of things we aren't all that far apart. Communicating late at nite on a tablet is trying at times.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 01:21 AM (voOPb)
Sad part is that you probably believe you are a solid Conservative.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 12:51 AM (YLidQ)
look I don't know what your problem is with me, just because I'm not some populist asshole.
here is what I would like to see happen:
Private social security in a Chilean-type system with private accounts
Privatize all government spending in health care, following a Singapore-style model with HSA's and HDHP's
Overturn Roe v. Wade, and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, and Obergefell, and send all abortion and gay marriage decisions back to the states
Close Depts of Commerce, Education, Energy, VA (that should be part of defense dept anyway)
Those are just off the top of my head, I am sure I could come up with more
Do I wish that a Republican Congress would enact all of these things right away? Yes. But I know some of these changes would be very unpopular and we have to build the case for them incrementally and slowly. I also try not to take what accomplishments they have made for granted, I realize that things would be a lot worse if they hadn't been there, we would have carbon taxes and gun control and a whole lot of other crap that would make ObamaCare seem like a small government dream.
and yes I think I know more about conservatism than the average Trump supporter.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 12:58 AM (uZNvH)
These all sound like good things CJ -- so why are you ok with GOPe Reps not doing any of them because, they say, they're afraid of democracy?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:22 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:17 AM (AkOaV)
I don't know what to say. I know things are tough for people. But they won't get better overnight either. Too many people, including erstwhile conservatives, have bought into the big government lie. I am not sure if anything can stop it.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:22 AM (uZNvH)
A gope supporter has just claimed I'm not really a conservative.
I either need to be drinking more or less.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:22 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:21 AM (R5HRU)
Yeah, about to head out, but yes -- born in the late 80s.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:22 AM (AkOaV)
I'm leaving for a while. Fenelon already got chased off.
Good to see you, though. Can't wait to hear about your Christmas (eve?) Announcement...
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:22 AM (bD/dX)
It would be better for CJeff to just announce where his limiting lines are in terms of GOP capitulation.
How many undocumented workers is he willing to allow before he feels it would become a problem? 1m, 10m, 100m?
What level of Federal involvement in public schooling is too much?
How much of our economy should we allow the Left to hobble in the name of the Gaseous Green Religion?
How much of his health care should be decided by a clutch of unaccountable bureaucrats in DC, IT workers abroad, and invested insurance lawyers?
The measure of an interlocutor is his willingness to declare a limiting principle. If none is drawn, nothing can be gained from the discussion.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 01:23 AM (9YDUz)
*sigh*
Fuck it. What's waking up @ 7:50 to be at work by 8:30..er 40 with a shitty hangover?
Nothing when the horde commands me to drink.
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:23 AM (R5HRU)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:19 AM (R5HRU)
Sorry. The von Mises out front should have told you.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 01:23 AM (q2o38)
They brought back Lawrence Kasdan to write the screenplay. He wrote Episode V and VI and in between wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark as well as Body Heat, a great neo film nor. Then he disappeared.
Did Mark Hamill earn his paycheck or what?
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 20, 2015 01:23 AM (rs5De)
Did I enter in a conservative/libertarian/republican debate?
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Looks that way...
Posted by: junior at December 20, 2015 01:23 AM (aIiFP)
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 01:23 AM (jT+gh)
I know you're dipping, but by any chance you in the midwest?
Either way I'll see you in another thread.
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:24 AM (R5HRU)
Boomers had 50 years to fix it, and instead found ways to profit off the
system... at the expense of their descendants.
.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 20, 2015 01:09 AM (AkOaV)<<<
Not a high percentage of those 50 years have boomers been a voting majority.
It's not the Boomers or the Silent Generation, they are not the boogeyman. The MSM is the boogeyman, then more than now they drove the agenda, the topic of the day, the perception of events.
They portrayed Goldwater as a madman, a lunatic; General LeMay in a suit. Whereas Johnson was portrayed as rational, resolute and collected not ruled by his emotions.
They fucked us all and they are still doing it.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 01:24 AM (34alA)
Posted by: Bitch McConnell at December 20, 2015 01:24 AM (u5gzz)
Posted by: MAx at December 20, 2015 01:03 AM (LAliD)
Nonsense. You're not paying attention. He called people "assholes," "outrage machine," and "mob."
Those are just the actual insults. The dripping condescension he gives away, thinking we're not smart enough to notice because we're Trump supporters.
And he's going to get insulted back, then act all wounded and hurt.
This play has been running here for a very long time. We know how it ends.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 20, 2015 01:08 AM (Dj0WE)
MAx has a history of showing up to actual debates and noting how unfair things are.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:25 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 20, 2015 01:25 AM (YJmuy)
Don't go, we can have a side bar convo!
Seriously though I appreciate the anticipation.
So does my gal, she's been hell on wheels since she was on facebook seeing all these people get married.
She apologized today so that was nice.
In other news, I FUCKING HATE Facebook.
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:25 AM (R5HRU)
Man, I had forgotten about that. You're absolutely right. Chemjeff, we'll save some matches for you!
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2015 01:25 AM (ZxmMG)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 01:26 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: Tim in Illinios Old and Unimproved but reduced in Price. at December 20, 2015 01:26 AM (WVsWD)
Just know, when I wake up in the morning I shall curse the horde.
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:27 AM (R5HRU)
They brought back Lawrence Kasdan to write the screenplay. He wrote Episode V and VI and in between wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark as well as Body Heat, a great neo film nor. Then he disappeared.
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Spotted Kasdan's name in the credits. Was surprised to see it there, as I hadn't heard he'd been brought back.
Thought it was a fun flick, and worth the money I paid for it. Here's hoping that Episode VIII won't be a let-down.
Posted by: junior at December 20, 2015 01:28 AM (aIiFP)
you ok with GOPe Reps not doing any of them because, they say, they're
afraid of democracy?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:22 AM (EzgxV)
I think that many of them just don't agree with me on those issues. They are fine with, say, Medicare the way it is. I'm not, but they are closer to me than the Bernie Sanders types who want single-payer, which would be an absolute horror.
I think that some of them are just too afraid to stand up for their principles, and they have a legitimate fear that they would lose their next elections and the resulting damage that the commies would do would be worse than any improvement that they might make.
And yes I do think that a lot of them are just in the tank for the chamber of commerce crowd and just wants to help corporations and businesses make money and don't really care about what the 'proles' think.
I don't know, back in 2000, I actually didn't vote for Bush because I could not stand either Bush or Gore, I thought Bush was not enough of a conservative with his 'compassionate conservatism' crap and his promise of a drug giveaway that I knew would be horrific, and of course Gore being Gore made him unacceptable, so I voted for the Libertarian. Maybe I will start doing that again.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:28 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: mindful webworker - whew! at December 20, 2015 01:28 AM (h6BP/)
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The people benefitting from a corrupt system are always going to be treated like the bogeymen, whether they deserve it or not.
If somehow math had allowed the boomers to get theirs' and a decade from now, Gen-Xers were the ones trying to squeeze the last few drops out of the system and fuck everyone else, we'd be getting the blame they are today.
It is what it is.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:29 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:05 AM (uZNvH)
At the risk of sounding like a personal attack, you sound like a rather spineless one.
"Oh well, we didn't get anything this time, we'll try again next year. Sucks to be one of those aborted babies, but hey not my problem. We can export oil now!!!!"
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:29 AM (C3E0x)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 01:30 AM (wHX4r)
I don't want any Federal involvement in public schools.
But I also know that these types of changes take time to develop.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:31 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:09 AM (uZNvH)
Um, no, it just means they really aren't conservative.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:31 AM (C3E0x)
Posted by: chemjeff
10 Head n2 Desk
20 GOTO 10
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2015 01:31 AM (9YDUz)
The late, great Christopher Lee's Heavy Metal medly.
More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=10612
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 20, 2015 01:31 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 01:32 AM (jT+gh)
Trangendering means grown men demand to be considered little girls. Literally.
More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=10546
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 20, 2015 01:32 AM (vBeA5)
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For all you know, that's been in the barrel.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:32 AM (ZbV+0)
At the risk of sounding like a personal attack, you sound like a rather spineless one.
"Oh well, we didn't get anything this time, we'll try again next
year. Sucks to be one of those aborted babies, but hey not my problem.
We can export oil now!!!!"
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:29 AM (C3E0x)
REALISTICALLY, what are my choices?
Trump? He is not a conservative.
The Socialists? They will just make things worse.
Libertarians? They have no chance of winning.
That leaves only Republicans like Cruz, who is my favorite right now.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:33 AM (uZNvH)
I've talked with my pops about this very instance. We BOTH HATE the GOP. However the older he's got he WILL vote for the GOP candidate knowing full well they'll probably stab us in the back but he does because they are better than any Dem - which I agree with for some reaseon - however he understands why I'm doing that - because he used to be where I am - and the anger/logic behind it.
He's just not ready to cede it to the Leftists although I argue with him we've lost that fucking fight. He does challenge me daily though to get involved which I don't, so I feel guilty about all the mutiny to a certain degree.
*walks away to make a drink*
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:33 AM (R5HRU)
I have a problem with American citizens who need SS who were promised SS & to be taken care of VETs and the govt shafts them. Shafts them to take on people we don't want or need in this country
In the scheme of things we aren't all that far apart. Communicating late at nite on a tablet is trying at times.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 01:21 AM (voOPb)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of the federal programs, social security and VA pensions, have received their letter saying "the economy is great, there hasn't been any inflation this year, so you aren't getting a COL raise this year!
Congratulations comrade! And just ignore those soaring prices at the grocery store, and those utilities we totally have nothing to do with raising costs on. Who are you going to believe, us or your lying bank account?"
Posted by: BurtTC at December 20, 2015 01:34 AM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 01:32 AM (jT+gh)
I'm here to clean the pool.
Posted by: AxelFoley at December 20, 2015 01:34 AM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:31 AM (C3E0x)
But they are Republicans who vote for people like Jindal.
I think the Republican Party has way more people in it who actually don't mind big government as long as it benefits them, than people here who are fiercely demanding smaller government. So Republican politicians, what are they going to do?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:35 AM (uZNvH)
I was hoping it would be a surprise - not that it really matters. What matters of course is your (combined) hapiness.
Honestly, man - I couldn't be happier for you.
If you want to stick around, I'll ignore all the idiocy & chat for a few - let me get some ice. Whatcha drinkin?
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:35 AM (bD/dX)
As my pop says - everyone's a conservative until their subsidy gets cut.
loltrue
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:35 AM (R5HRU)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:33 AM (R5HRU)
*****
This will be known as the high point in this conversation. It is all about to roll downhill if you choose to persist.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:36 AM (YLidQ)
Trump? He is not a conservative.
The Socialists? They will just make things worse.
Libertarians? They have no chance of winning.
That leaves only Republicans like Cruz, who is my favorite right now.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:33 AM (uZNvH)
Ok, now we're getting somewhere.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:37 AM (C3E0x)
She doesn't know, I keep her guessing. She just calmed down and realized how she was acting was regoddamndiculous.
Thanks man. I'm drinking Skyy Vodka and Club or Diet Coke.
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:37 AM (R5HRU)
I agree that they haven't had enough balls. I wish they would grow some more. But I also try to see the bigger picture. I think things would be a lot worse if they weren't there.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:19 AM (uZNvH)
Day by day, I am increasingly convinced that the BEST possible outcome for this nation is if a foreign power managed to obliterate the entire District of Columbia while everyone was in session and present, which should give you a pretty good perspective on my feelings "if they weren't there." We could then mourn the loss ("ok, that's done"), pick a new Capitol that wasn't contaminated swampland, form a new government using that Constitution-thingie we've had lying around, and unite as a nation in kicking the ass of the sorry bastards that rid us of our elected kleptocracy.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:37 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:37 AM (R5HRU)
I think I am about where your dad is.
I am not terribly involved in my state party either. I went to the 2012 caucus in my state, it was kind of a joke to be honest, the RoNpAuL people turned it into a circus. That is about the extent of it. I was thinking of perhaps driving to Iowa to see a Cruz rally or something, just to see what it is like.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:37 AM (uZNvH)
loltrue
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Fine.
Then nothing changes.
Until the nation with the world's reserve currency, destroys that currency.
And everyone who went along to get along gets the justice they deserve.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:38 AM (ZbV+0)
There was a lockbox until Lyndon cracked it open and moved the money to the general fund. It's still a ponzi scheme but how much more money and how much longer would we have to fix this problem if Congress had not been dipping into the till since 1964?
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 01:38 AM (34alA)
That was a Baby Ruth...
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:38 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty
Endeavor to persist! Endeavor to persist!
Posted by: Spinoza and Crew at December 20, 2015 01:39 AM (9YDUz)
Trump? He is not a conservative.>>>
Trump is fire
His VP will be president within 6 months because finally the Rs and Ds will believe in the constitution and Impeachment again. And we will still be talking about budgets and migration.
No other candidate will do shit to correct the wrongs the way crashing this car into the tree will.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 01:39 AM (wHX4r)
Mandala destroyed by the sea
All we are is colored sand
So pay to ride the ferris wheel
Smile, all that you can feel
Is gratitude for what has been
'Cause it did not
Happen
There's money-lenders inside the temple
That circus tiger's gonna break my heart
Something so wild turned into paper
If you love me, then that's your fault
There's money-lenders inside the temple
This crystal city's gonna fall apart
When all their power turns into vapor
If I miss you, well that's my fault
That's my fault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO8GzpUvMsw
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 01:39 AM (ubByS)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:35 AM (uZNvH)
I agree again. It's just that they're sellouts. Democrat Lite. They must be thrown out, regarless of consequences.
You do what's right because it's right, not whether or not it increases your chances of winning.
I'm out of alcohol, I should probably call it a night soon.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:39 AM (C3E0x)
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 01:41 AM (jT+gh)
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Every one of them knew it was a lie.
We've been talking about it as such since the 1960s.
They chose to go along rather than put a stop to the scam.
Fuck em.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:41 AM (ZbV+0)
I'm out of alcohol, I should probably call it a night soon.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:39 AM (C3E0x)
******
1. Hells yeah!
2. Sorry, that's just bad planning.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:41 AM (YLidQ)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:41 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 20, 2015 01:42 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: Iran at December 20, 2015 01:42 AM (DMoow)
Posted by: Tim in Illinios Old and Unimproved but reduced in Price. at December 20, 2015 01:26 AM (WVsWD)
I'm not sure how that aligns with my last interaction. Not sure it improves things.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:42 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:19 AM (uZNvH)
Other than maybe guns, I no longer feel that way. They're all scum.
If Iran nukes DC, I will do a happy dance.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:43 AM (C3E0x)
His VP will be president within 6 months
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In this climate, if the congress impeaches Trump in six months, the most likely outcome is he's dictator for life and every member of the congress is hung for sedition.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:43 AM (ZbV+0)
He just believes that now is now the time for a protest vote. We disagree.
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:43 AM (R5HRU)
I work in the morning and I'm not out of alcohol.
What's your excuse?
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:44 AM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:39 AM (C3E0x)
You are actually allowed to buy val-u-rite by the case in most states.
It is a relief, really, to know - with deep down certitude - that you can drink yourself blind, horizontal and spinning and still have enough left to give you alcohol poisoning for breakfast.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 01:44 AM (q2o38)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:45 AM (bD/dX)
likely outcome is he's dictator for life and every member of the
congress is hung for sedition.>>>
Is that a feature or a bug?
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 01:45 AM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:43 AM (ZbV+0)
much more likely a scenario with ryan and mconnel running congress and obama in the white mosque.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 20, 2015 01:45 AM (vb33c)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:45 AM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:39 AM (C3E0x)
******
1. Hells yeah!
2. Sorry, that's just bad planning.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:41 AM (YLidQ)
Partly because I had to work tonight, and tomorrow.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:45 AM (C3E0x)
I work in the morning and I'm not out of alcohol.
What's your excuse?
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:44 AM (R5HRU)
(hangs head)
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:46 AM (C3E0x)
Likewise.
Bourbon? Good man.
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:47 AM (R5HRU)
Buzzion probably would be able to find the comment.
If I am correct that is. I don't touch google. Ever.
Again this is IIRC but I think Ace said OG was being obnoxious.
Why??
That would be the question I guess.
Posted by: Tim in Illinios Old and Unimproved but reduced in Price. at December 20, 2015 01:47 AM (WVsWD)
We've been talking about it as such since the 1960s.
They chose to go along rather than put a stop to the scam.
Fuck em.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:41 AM (ZbV+0)
****
Really? My paycheck deductions from 1975 (first job) to 1986 (first full time job) and beyond were purley voluntary? Well, fuck me, seems like it was a mandatory thing to me.
I didn't really know what was up here until about 1992, as I began making real money then.
But, yeah, fuck all of us, it was a big plot to screw you useless millenials.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:47 AM (YLidQ)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:48 AM (R5HRU)
Jeff, those steaks you bring to Texas better be damn good if you're gonna keep us up all night.
Oh, and in response to your question I didn't get to the other night, bring them uncooked. I want to see the Master in action.
'Night all.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:48 AM (C3E0x)
congress is hung for sedition.
[Pedant]
Those pencil dicks would be hanged
[/pedant]
Posted by: derit at December 20, 2015 01:48 AM (jT+gh)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:48 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: thathalfrican at December 20, 2015 01:49 AM (R5HRU)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:49 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:31 AM (C3E0x)
But they are Republicans who vote for people like Jindal.
I think the Republican Party has way more people in it who actually don't mind big government as long as it benefits them, than people here who are fiercely demanding smaller government. So Republican politicians, what are they going to do?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:35 AM (uZNvH)
There's some meat on them bones.....what if you're wrong? What if 90% of Republicans honest-to-God flinch at violating the Constitution and the Rule-of-Law and want a Federal government that fits cleanly within its enumerated powers? Do you have any factual basis to support that most Republicans are really welfare-addicted Democrats?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:49 AM (EzgxV)
But, the thing lacking is this. To a gent in his 30s, the problems loom in an entirely different way than they will to me, in his late 50s.
To those in their 20s, or in their 70s....well, entirely different scenarios arise.
I'm not downplaying the severity of our problems. Conversely, I'm amplifying why we're more than screwed.
Our generational compartmentalization serves to separate us at the divergent paths of our self-interests.....and those are exactly the junctions at which the Dems/Alinskyites drive in their wedges, daggers and blades of all kinds.
You think the divisions they've created about race, gender, income separate us?
Wait'll you see the intergenerational strife they've built into the system, when the system fails.
It was made to pit young liberal against old liberal, young conservative against old.
And the only escape is a total weaning from all government dependencies. Every scrap of it.
With that wrench thrown into the gearset, I'm off to the snoozer.
Hasta la nite nite, Horde!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at December 20, 2015 01:50 AM (McRlu)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:50 AM (bD/dX)
Fuck em.
.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:41 AM (ZbV+0)
<<<
Today's generation pissing on elders is simply frustration from an inability to control the bastards in power.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 01:51 AM (34alA)
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"That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the Right of The People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:52 AM (ZbV+0)
I am coming close to my SS recipient time. I knew it was a Ponzi scheme in 1984. No one that was paying attention expected it would last even this long.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 01:52 AM (wHX4r)
Stick a fork in it, the f**king lawyers have bolloxed everything from here to eternity. Assholes like John Edwards channeling the spirits of aborted babies, etc.
Just strangle them in their cribs and be done with it.
Posted by: navybrat at December 20, 2015 01:53 AM (Xodlv)
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Gen Xer.
The point is I didn't do it. I am therefore not responsible for making you whole. I further will not accept resposibility when you had a fucking 20 year head start on me and didn't bring this government under control as was your duty.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:54 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:47 AM (YLidQ)
The boomers kicked the can. They didn't know who'd end up picking it up.
Really a useless generation, saddled with an average of ~$70k of debt after being told from the age of 3 they had to go to college to be successful, coming up brainwashed by a public education system handed over to transformational socialists in the 70s, buckled in front of TVs and videogames for 8 hours a day by bored, high, drunk boomer parents before they learned how to talk, told to follow their dreams and then spat on when they take a minimum wage job.
Bang up job, boomers. Thank you. Thank you for never handing over the reins because we couldn't handle it because you parented with your wallets. We'll remember you when medicaid goes tits up and you need your diapers changed. We will remember.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 01:54 AM (ubByS)
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:55 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:19 AM (uZNvH)
Other than maybe guns, I no longer feel that way. They're all scum.
If Iran nukes DC, I will do a happy dance.
Posted by: Blano at December 20, 2015 01:43 AM (C3E0x)
Don't forget glassing them in return "for the dignity of the office".
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:56 AM (EzgxV)
wrong? What if 90% of Republicans honest-to-God flinch at violating the
Constitution and the Rule-of-Law and want a Federal government that fits
cleanly within its enumerated powers? Do you have any factual basis to
support that most Republicans are really welfare-addicted Democrats?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:49 AM (EzgxV)
I really don't think that if 90% of Republican voters were strict Constitutionalists, that we would have those people in DC, like Boehner and McConnell, in charge. I can only really cite a few anecdotes, and why people like Jindal, who actually did enact small government reforms, ended up being so unpopular. I really don't have any polls or anything like that, I only say that because it seems to be a simpler explanation.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:56 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Kreplach at December 20, 2015 01:56 AM (WVvzl)
SS in a way that leaves most people held harmless, as it were
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Not a possibility.
See: Math.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:56 AM (ZbV+0)
And the amounts "estimated" that you owe by the taxing authority are generally highballed and would have between 25% and 100+% penalties added.
The FICA and such are only voluntary if your employer is willing to forfeit any personal or business tax refund, assets, licenses to operate, and possible garnishment of business income, bank accounts and asset seizure to satisfy the tax liabilities. You personally do not have to option to not pay.
So, calling it voluntary is not completely accurate.
Now, when someone offers to punch you in the kidney and tells you not to move while they take some of the money out of your wallet and guarantees that it puts you into the drawing for marvelous prizes if they don't have to come back and break your knees and burn your house down, you tend to wait for the prize drawing. And for some reason there is a feeling of entitlement involved while waiting for your prize.
But I tend to make up stories and analogies. It entertains me.
G'night
Posted by: Kindltot at December 20, 2015 01:58 AM (q2o38)
His VP will be president within 6 months
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In this climate, if the congress impeaches Trump in six months, the most likely outcome is he's dictator for life and every member of the congress is hung for sedition.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:43 AM (ZbV+0)
Y'know, I could see that with a smile.....considering that "life" would likely be less than his elected presidential term. But I'd sure remember him fondly.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:58 AM (EzgxV)
If you don't mind, I'm going to send you an email - I've been wanting to for a couple months now...
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:58 AM (bD/dX)
Big gub'mint is here to stay until it collapses under its own weight or Revolution.
Posted by: Tim in Illinios Old and Unimproved but reduced in Price. at December 20, 2015 01:58 AM (WVsWD)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 01:59 AM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:54 AM (ZbV+0)
****
See, I didI't either. Always love these discussions of those who should get screwed. Those who have about 200k sucked out of their budgets, or those who are a few thousand in and feel pissy about it now.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 01:59 AM (YLidQ)
See: Math.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:56 AM (ZbV+0)
No, it is possible. I think Bush's SS reform plan would be a good start. It would take decades to do it correctly.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:00 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 02:01 AM (ubByS)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 20, 2015 02:01 AM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 02:02 AM (34alA)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 20, 2015 02:03 AM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 01:54 AM (ubByS)
******
Are you kidding? You less than useless fcuks can't even go to school and agree on a cafeteria menu.
We'll just live a little longer and get past generation "Me, Me, Me", thanks
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:03 AM (YLidQ)
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You think putting more money in the fucking stock market would've helped?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Again, See:Math.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:03 AM (ZbV+0)
(If he responds like he normally would, that will be so funny)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 01:50 AM (bD/dX)
Y'know, I'm not at a level of inebriation where I could really tell you.....but if you just go to http://www.time.gov/ you can find out what time NIST thinks it is.
After that, you buy a male calf and begin putting it to pasture....
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:04 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 02:04 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 20, 2015 02:05 AM (FkBIv)
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Again, See:Math.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:03 AM (ZbV+0)
Look, you have to break the mentality that it is the government's job to take care of everyone's retirement. Letting everyone have a personal stake in their own retirement is the first step down that path. Bush's plan was as much about behavior modification as it was about financials.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:05 AM (uZNvH)
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"That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the Right of The People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:52 AM (ZbV+0)
How many causes in the Declaration aren't true today? How many causes of equal import exist today that weren't true then?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:06 AM (EzgxV)
See: Math.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 01:56 AM (ZbV+0)
No, it is possible. I think Bush's SS reform plan would be a good start. It would take decades to do it correctly.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:00 AM (uZNvH)
****
If you believe that, prove it. Be detailed, and show your work. Go!
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:06 AM (YLidQ)
being up to the challenge, what you know to be an impossible challenge,
of working hard enough, and making enough, to keep up with the costs of
our surrealist government.>>>
I don't blame millennials any more than any other generation. I do feel sorry for them though since so few of them were taught the survival tech the people that made it through the great depression were taught. iIt is going to be a way more painful ride for yall
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 02:07 AM (wHX4r)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:06 AM (YLidQ)
What, that it's possible to institute partial private accounts within SS? I don't know, go back and read some news articles from 2005. I can't prove it off the top of my head.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:08 AM (uZNvH)
We'll just live a little longer and get past generation "Me, Me, Me", thanks
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:03 AM (YLidQ)
Right, because that's every millenial. Please. These babies aren't even millenials, we graduated college between 2000-2010. The idiot students you see doing this at Oberlin and Mizzou and Yale aren't even going to be turning 20 until 2018. It's a completely different problem.
Try talking to us instead of lashing out. You might weedle your way into an extra carton of pudding at the nursing home.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 02:08 AM (ubByS)
And the supposed "Conservstive" party has controlled congress for much of that 15 years.
So I don't think the answer is sending more Republicans to Washington.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 20, 2015 02:08 AM (WVvzl)
See, this is why I love you, man... I swear - if I were gay, I could go full-on Brokeback for you. I was hoping you had a prefab post to cut & paste for that one.
Did halfrican leave?
And MisHum, I think I owe you an email. Sorry for the delay, man.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 02:09 AM (bD/dX)
You are delusional and inconsistent.
Goodnight you farts. We're so fucked it's funny.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 02:09 AM (ubByS)
A free economy is like a live thing it knows no bounds and basing an opinion on some static formula is fundamentally flawed.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 02:10 AM (34alA)
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No it isn't.
For you to get some rand shit goodie in your retirement, it has to be produced.
There's no way around that.
The millenials are being hired at about a 50% rate out of college, and they have a perfectly reasonable expectation that their production will benefit them and not (as they would reasonably calculate it) be wasted on you. Those of us a little older aren't doing any better.
Your government has decided, instead of fostering additional production by decreasing itself and it's meddling in the economy, to simply increase the money supply so it can say it paid you what you think, on paper, you are owed. And your generation has mostly gone along with it.
Maybe you personally are innocent. If so I commiserate with you. But the situation does not confer any reponsibility on me to produce womething for you to have, in particular since I am unemployed, I literally cannot produce anything for you to have, regardless of my intentions.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:10 AM (ZbV+0)
But he can't melt steal.>>>
Are you saying he cant stop the govt from stealing from us?
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 02:10 AM (wHX4r)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:08 AM (uZNvH)
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Sheesh, you made an assertion. I asked you to provide linkage or some way to prove it. All on you. Standing by.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:11 AM (YLidQ)
wrong? What if 90% of Republicans honest-to-God flinch at violating the
Constitution and the Rule-of-Law and want a Federal government that fits
cleanly within its enumerated powers? Do you have any factual basis to
support that most Republicans are really welfare-addicted Democrats?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 01:49 AM (EzgxV)
I really don't think that if 90% of Republican voters were strict Constitutionalists, that we would have those people in DC, like Boehner and McConnell, in charge. I can only really cite a few anecdotes, and why people like Jindal, who actually did enact small government reforms, ended up being so unpopular. I really don't have any polls or anything like that, I only say that because it seems to be a simpler explanation.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 01:56 AM (uZNvH)
We have competing hypotheses.....be nice if we had some data.....
And, BTW, you're one of my faves here. I'm sorry if I've been one of those pissy to you. It gets better if you can agree on the preliminaries, form hypotheses, and evaluate with new data. It gets worse if you assume preliminaries and jump to conclusions.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:11 AM (EzgxV)
Bush's plan was a cynical scheme to prop up the stock market while the boomers' pulled their pretend savings so that someone else would be left holding the empty bag. It was never anything more than that.
If folks want to invest, they have to take responsibility for themselves to do something that for the most part, no one else is doing. Doing what everyone else is doing is only a way to lose value.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:14 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:11 AM (YLidQ)
Read this:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/02/retirement/stofunion_socsec/
It doesn't solve everything. It doesn't magically abolish Social Security in its entirety. It is one small step along the road, or would have been in any event.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:14 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 02:08 AM (ubByS)
*****
We tried talking. You bedwetters lashed out with a need for "safe spaces" and a need for "microagression free conversations".
In other words, we agree or you are "grieved" somehow. Fuck that.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:14 AM (YLidQ)
what is your plan for SS? abolish it tomorrow?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:16 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:17 AM (uZNvH)
You think I don't already have cases of pudding in the bunker?
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 02:17 AM (wHX4r)
Can one of them finish this map I am working on?
I'm getting bored with it a want to take a break.
Posted by: Tim in Illinios Old and Unimproved but reduced in Price. at December 20, 2015 02:17 AM (WVsWD)
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Yeah okay.
You're going to get what your owed, like blacks, women, hispancs, transgenders, and every other grievance freskshow through magic.
Good luck with that.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:18 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:19 AM (uZNvH)
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That is what happens when the currency or the government collapses.
I currently have no reason to make an effort to avoid either outcome.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:20 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 02:20 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:19 AM (uZNvH)
****
C'mon man. I have been trying to play it straight with you, but this one blew out the fetzer valve in my irony meter.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:21 AM (YLidQ)
Posted by: RKae at December 20, 2015 02:21 AM (HiSOA)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 02:21 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:22 AM (YLidQ)
Yes its called intuition.com
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 02:22 AM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Tim in Illinios Old and Unimproved but reduced in Price. at December 20, 2015 02:23 AM (WVsWD)
That is static analysis.
If by election or by God America is set free from current constraints economic growth and prosperity would be unbounded. We are doomed by our inability to break free from the reins of the ruling class not some mathematical formula.
And as far as MY government goes, it wasn't the Silents or the Boomer who elected Obama.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 02:23 AM (34alA)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 02:20 AM (bD/dX)
Here, or elsewhere?
'Cause the rules are different here.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:23 AM (EzgxV)
In other words, we agree or you are "grieved" somehow. Fuck that.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:14 AM (YLidQ)
You are talking right past me and my responses. The infants demanding safe spaces are still in daycare. Millenials have been in the workforce for 5-10 years, are on fourth jobs and third careers, and can't build savings because of interest rates, student loans, cost of living (esp housing), and as such spend their time off watching netflix because they can't afford to travel or have hobbies or even start families. That's why there's a disconnect between living like Americans are supposed to live and what 20-somethings are up to. Entertainment and news (BIRM) reinforce liberal/socialist messaging constantly, which is why we've ended up with a totally misplaced apprehension of the situation, economic cause and effect, and an appropriate electoral response.
Spit on millenials all you like. Go ahead. Stick to the liberal script, play your "crusty conservative" role. Take the path of least resistance. It's done us such a lot of good.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 02:23 AM (ubByS)
Posted by: RKae at December 20, 2015 02:21 AM (HiSOA)
....says RKae without a link.....
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:24 AM (EzgxV)
I currently have no reason to make an effort to avoid either outcome.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:20 AM (ZbV+0)
Do you *really* think life would be better after any sort of collapse or revolution?
Collapses and revolutions usually turn out poorly for people who value liberty
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:24 AM (uZNvH)
Collapses and revolutions usually turn out poorly for people who value liberty>>>
All I know is I have a place to go no matter what and live (not as comfortable as today but better than my ancestors). If the govt tosses me in prison I have no say or control over that.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 02:29 AM (wHX4r)
But, the thing lacking is this. To a gent in his 30s, the problems
loom in an entirely different way than they will to me, in his late 50s.
To those in their 20s, or in their 70s....well, entirely different scenarios arise.
I'm not downplaying the severity of our problems. Conversely, I'm amplifying why we're more than screwed.
Our generational compartmentalization serves to separate us at the
divergent paths of our self-interests.....and those are exactly the
junctions at which the Dems/Alinskyites drive in their wedges, daggers
and blades of all kinds.
You think the divisions they've created about race, gender, income separate us?
Wait'll you see the intergenerational strife they've built into the system, when the system fails.
It was made to pit young liberal against old liberal, young conservative against old.
And the only escape is a total weaning from all government dependencies. Every scrap of it.
With that wrench thrown into the gearset, I'm off to the snoozer.
Hasta la nite nite, Horde!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at December 20, 2015 01:50 AM (McRlu)<<<
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 02:30 AM (34alA)
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That is what happens when the currency or the government collapses.
I currently have no reason to make an effort to avoid either outcome.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:20 AM (ZbV+0)
Worked for me.
Posted by: Zombie Agusto Pinochet at December 20, 2015 02:33 AM (vBeA5)
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In Paul Ryan's fantasy budget, he borrowed the communists' assumption that somehow GDP growth could be held above 5% annual for ten straight years. At the end of that time the budget balanced with whatever additional debt that had been racked up not being paid until that point. And beyond that they didn't seriously consider.
That doesn't consider "unfunded liabilities" such as social security and medicare paying at the rate you expect. An Unfunded Liability, by the way is not the same thing as debt. A US treasury bill must be paid when it comes due or the federal governmet is considered in default. They can however simply pass a law to stop paying your SS and there's nothing you can do about it, and no default occurs.
Now, 5% annual growth has happened exactly never. It is always the case that at most roughly a presidential double term, and frequently less than that, passes before a recession/depression/correction/whatever temr they use this time in order to pretend it's not the same old thing that happens like clockwork every few years that you could understand if you actually were interested in how economies work rather than clinging to false hopes as to how lies that were made to you fifty years ago might somehow be realized today.
In short there is no reason at all to believe significant growth is right around the corner. The only way to clear the system of its current debt load is the same way it has always been cleared throughout history.
A shitload of people who think they are owed something aren't going to get it. Full stop.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:36 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: RKae at December 20, 2015 02:21 AM (HiSOA)
....says RKae without a link.....
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:24 AM (EzgxV)
Couple of nice "Carol of the Bells" links:
Mannheim Steamroller live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4GUpF0gIGQ
Steamroller studio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVftSkNgJTA
Trans-Siberian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCabI3MdV9g
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:37 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 20, 2015 02:23 AM (ubByS)
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Well, sure. It's not like I have a 19 year old daughter who is a millenial or anything like that.
I am in charge of hiring and firing for a small department of a large organization. The millenials have decidedly not developed a good rep for their work ethics. The reasons?
-Personal issues which require off work time attention *right now*
-Do not feel that they are in a conducive work environment that matches their career goals
-Working more than 40 hours a week, *Max!* is a travesty upon their god, leisure, and apparently, nature.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:38 AM (YLidQ)
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There is no relative advantage in perpetuating the current system.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:38 AM (ZbV+0)
I currently have no reason to make an effort to avoid either outcome.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:20 AM (ZbV+0)
Do you *really* think life would be better after any sort of collapse or revolution?
Collapses and revolutions usually turn out poorly for people who value liberty
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:24 AM (uZNvH)
So do periods of abject pandering to totalitarians. I'm not feeling much support for my liberty, lately.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:39 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 20, 2015 02:39 AM (NGd+i)
Collapses and revolutions usually turn out poorly for people who value liberty
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There is no relative advantage in perpetuating the current system.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:38 AM (ZbV+0)
now see, I think *that* response demonstrates that you take much of your current liberty for granted.
things could get a *lot* worse. Have you seen some of the hellholes around on the planet? What makes you think something like that couldn't happen here?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:42 AM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:43 AM (uZNvH)
around on the planet? What makes you think something like that couldn't
happen here?
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I think those are what democrats and gope (and apologists) deserve.
I see no point expending effort to avoid that outcome when you people are hell bent on achieving it.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:44 AM (ZbV+0)
Collapses and revolutions usually turn out poorly for people who value liberty
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There is no relative advantage in perpetuating the current system.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:38 AM (ZbV+0)
now see, I think *that* response demonstrates that you take much of your current liberty for granted.
things could get a *lot* worse. Have you seen some of the hellholes around on the planet? What makes you think something like that couldn't happen here?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:42 AM (uZNvH)
How many of those hellholes started with "tolerance" for the sort of chicanery we've seen recently in the US?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:44 AM (EzgxV)
What They don't beg for overtime? How can that be if you are young and supporting a wife and family. Oh that's right that is old timey crap.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 02:46 AM (wHX4r)
things could get a *lot* worse. Have you seen some of the hellholes around on the planet? What makes you think something like that couldn't happen here?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:42 AM (uZNvH)
****
Why do you constantly Strawman that it could be worse, using other Countries as an example, rather than advocating for holding these assholes feet to the fire so things get better here?
Jesus Christ, how many more Strawmen are you going to lamely attempt to kill tonight?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:46 AM (YLidQ)
things could get a *lot* worse. Have you seen some of the hellholes around on the planet? What makes you think something like that couldn't happen here?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:42 AM (uZNvH)
****
Why do you constantly Strawman that it could be worse, using other Countries as an example, rather than advocating for holding these assholes feet to the fire so things get better here?
Jesus Christ, how many more Strawmen are you going to lamely attempt to kill tonight?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:46 AM (YLidQ)
Not too many -- he already said he was sackin' it.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:48 AM (EzgxV)
right around the corner. The only way to clear the system of its current
debt load is the same way it has always been cleared throughout
history.<<<
You're not referring to Reagan I presume.
One may also eliminate debt load by not increasing it and at the same time increasing production.
Production will increase exponentially to the decrease on restriction. Forget about entitlements for the moment and think about restrictive regulations and the agencies that produce them.
Eliminate the regulations and eliminate the regulators; Doing this frees up the producer and all related business and at the same time it reduces the cost of government and forces those who are putting the screws to real America out into the real world.
It can be done.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 02:50 AM (34alA)
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There is no relative advantage in perpetuating the current system.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:38 AM (ZbV+0)
now see, I think *that* response demonstrates that you take much of your current liberty for granted.
things could get a *lot* worse. Have you seen some of the hellholes around on the planet? What makes you think something like that couldn't happen here?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:42 AM (uZNvH)
What's the worst that can happen?
Posted by: French Peasant, circa 1789 at December 20, 2015 02:50 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 20, 2015 02:43 AM (uZNvH)
******
Please come back, if you must, in a lighthearted way which does not scream "Me, me, look at me!!!! Next ONT. Kay?
Because, good god man, your need for attention on a blog is getting way out of control.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:53 AM (YLidQ)
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 20, 2015 02:53 AM (NGd+i)
Goodnight.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 02:53 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 20, 2015 02:55 AM (YLidQ)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 02:56 AM (wHX4r)
One may also eliminate debt load by not increasing it and at the same time increasing production.
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Um, you may want to go back and lock at what happened to the federal government's debt while Reagan was in office.
He drove the USSR into bankruptcy, and deserves credit for that.
But all he showed economically (in terms of an experiment on what was actually done) is that you're better of borrowing money in order to reduce tax burdens than borrowing money in order to hand it out to delinquents.
The point he wanted to make, that diminishing government allows economic growth, wasn't attempted because he never got the spending cuts the congressional dems promised. It's probably true, but won't result in "unbounded growth" as whatever it is would be measurable, and in any case cannot be attempted until such time as the budget is balanced.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 02:58 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: French Peasant, circa 1789>>>
Islam?
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 02:56 AM (wHX4r)
HAH! Heads will really roll then.
Posted by: Hanoverfist at December 20, 2015 02:58 AM (DMoow)
right around the corner. The only way to clear the system of its current
debt load is the same way it has always been cleared throughout
history.<<<
You're not referring to Reagan I presume.
One may also eliminate debt load by not increasing it and at the same time increasing production.
Production will increase exponentially to the decrease on restriction. Forget about entitlements for the moment and think about restrictive regulations and the agencies that produce them.
Eliminate the regulations and eliminate the regulators; Doing this frees up the producer and all related business and at the same time it reduces the cost of government and forces those who are putting the screws to real America out into the real world.
It can be done.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 02:50 AM (34alA)
I wish I could be so sanguine. Besides monetize, default, or extract, my favorite alternative is privatize. Auction-off all Federal assets in each state beyond the average percent for all states.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:59 AM (EzgxV)
The late Chris Whitley was a bit of an odd bird but his first album was brilliant.
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 20, 2015 03:00 AM (NGd+i)
In the why aren't they more well known department; The Franz Family.
Posted by: Puddleglum at December 20, 2015 03:03 AM (NGd+i)
It was always a big government party.
The last real conservative was Andrew Jackson, and he was a Democrat.
He retired the federal deficit and dismantled the national banking system.
No one else has done that since.
He did some other evil stuff too, but he survived several assassination attempts and went to his grave with bullets in him.
Think about it.
Posted by: navybrat at December 20, 2015 03:04 AM (Xodlv)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 03:05 AM (wHX4r)
I would argue that Calvin Coolidge was the last fiscaly conservative president.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 03:09 AM (wHX4r)
Bottom line is, get rid of regulations and regulators, reduce the bureaucracy by eliminating all but basic (back to Kennedy agencies) and your worries about entitlements will be a coffee table academic discussion.
There will be so much prosperity and abundance being created that EBT type entitlements will wither away. Why? Because what they offer will be so meager the sons of those now on wellfare will fight to get a job so that they may also "get some".
I have a feeling you have no frame of reference as to what it's like to be able to "do something" business wise legally without having to conform to reams of restrictions, regulations, inspections, and permitting.
A world where if you want to do it you do it, if you want to hire someone you hire them and if you want to fire someone you fire them. It used to be a free country it can be again.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 03:11 AM (34alA)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 03:11 AM (wHX4r)
He also ran a deficit!
I am not kidding when I say that Jackson was the very last President to preside over no debt. None. Zero.
Everyone since, debt.
Posted by: navybrat at December 20, 2015 03:13 AM (Xodlv)
Nah. Probably 10 lurkers for every poster. They are talking back, just not letting you know about it.
Posted by: Tim in Illinios Old and Unimproved but reduced in Price. at December 20, 2015 03:13 AM (WVsWD)
alternative is privatize. Auction-off all Federal assets in each state
beyond the average percent for all states.
.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 02:59 AM (EzgxV)
<<<
Put that right up there on the agenda.
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 03:15 AM (34alA)
beyond the average percent for all states."
The only problem with that is that it will all be owned by non citizens.
Posted by: navybrat at December 20, 2015 03:16 AM (Xodlv)
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 03:17 AM (34alA)
Posted by: Ralph at December 20, 2015 03:18 AM (34alA)
While they plot to destroy us, like the Islamic compounds in NY.
Posted by: navybrat at December 20, 2015 03:19 AM (Xodlv)
be able to "do something" business wise legally without having to
conform to reams of restrictions, regulations, inspections, and
permitting.
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On the scale you are imagining, a whole buttload of entrepreneurs and going to have to start a lot of spectacularly new ventures in things we haven't yet seen.
1. This immediately fails as a possibility as they will need to borrow money to do so. This is by definition not possible in a debt saturated society.
2. They need to believe that they will be left alone long enough to realize a profit for their ventures. The communists preclude this. And even if there was some reason to believe they can be kept at bay, obamacare must go in order for small businesses to have any chance at success. The courts and GOP protect it.
3. There actually need to be entrepreneurs with useful ideas out there. This generation (all ages) has not proven such.
4. There's no evidence at all that the EBT crowd would take work over a handout. I would. I'm good at math. I can do a little programming. I have pretty awesome, if not perfect test scores in my field. But there's no space for me in this economy. I won't take a government handout because theft is wrong. They do not believe this.
Even if these factors all fall your way miraculously, there is no reason at all to believe that the actual growth produced would be sufficient to cover the costs of the bloated government. Reagan never managed that. You might put a dent in it like he did, but a dent isn't nearly enough. And his dent accomplished what? The debt went from somewhere around a trillion when he took office to 5 trillion in 2000 at the end of any growth he could reasonable be credited for.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2015 03:28 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 03:30 AM (bD/dX)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 20, 2015 03:33 AM (wHX4r)
I am not kidding when I say that Jackson was the very last President to preside over no debt. None. Zero.
Everyone since, debt.
Posted by: navybrat at December 20, 2015 03:13 AM (Xodlv)
He reduced the debt while cutting taxes and government.
Jackson's predecesors also worked hard to reduce the debt.
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 20, 2015 03:38 AM (vBeA5)
782 What's the worst that can happen?
Given that way the world is today?
There's too much physical mobility; too many people can (and are) flooding this country and Europe. I think we will see some real ugliness in Europe, one way or the other, over the next 5 years.
There's too much severely powerful technology and force-multipliers in too many hands: nuclear weapons, space-launch capability, the ability to make I-phones, and hack them ...
...
If the US falls apart, then there will be a severe world realignment. The bulk of the Western Hemisphere will look like Mexico, at best. Parts, like Canada, Alaska, Chile might look better, but only because they are either very cold or remote.
I do not look forward to rule by The Middle Kingdom. I look at how their own people are treated ... and how others are treated. The Vietnamese and S.Ks are happy to get US support, and for personal reasons.
I think Ryan and friends betrayed me, and probably everyone else. I think a very large number of people are going to realize this over the next few years.
There really isn't any place to hide. Holing-up somewhere remote and hoping to ride out the disaster is a bad plan; those who do this get no say in what happens, no chance to sway others, ... and will likely stand alone if any yahoos come looking for them.
The only plan, really, is to keep fighting. Time for Plan ... I forget the next one.
There weren't as many upsets in 2012 and 2014 as there needed to be (we had idiots like Todd Akin), but the message was sent.
McConnell is scared. Trump is galvanizing the base / a new base. He fills halls to ... outside standing room.
It looks to me like a potentially winning position. Give up now and we get Hillary!, possibly Col. Sanders and his Main-Fried vegetables.
Get behind Trump, and let Trump choke and inflict Jeb-Grade Butt-Hurt on everyone else. If the GOP hits a bridge abutment, well, it's only the establishment that takes the hit, the clowns that have been screwing us.
Posted by: Arbalest at December 20, 2015 03:48 AM (FlRtG)
If the US falls apart, then there will be a severe world realignment. The bulk of the Western Hemisphere will look like Mexico, at best.
... and it will last, essentially, forever.
Rome fell in 410 AD when the Rhine froze solid enough to let the German tribes swamp the few legions and run in to Gaul and Spain. Even if we accept the traditional date of 476 Ad, or even a later one in the early 500's, it still took Europe over 1000 years to be able to stand up to the Muslims.
Life in Spain, between 711 AD and 1492 AD, was real unpleasant for the natives. Vienna almost learned this lesson. Greece lived it until 1821 or so.
There really is something to be said for fighting back, and never stopping.
Posted by: Arbalest at December 20, 2015 03:59 AM (FlRtG)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 20, 2015 04:11 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Arbalest
Yes, yes, but lettuce needs to be picked. So wha'dda'ya gonna do?
Posted by: Huge Hewitt at December 20, 2015 04:12 AM (9YDUz)
Everyone I've mentioned this to has chided me for not having a huge bow on the car when I gave it to her. Huge bows are not as easy to find as you might think.
Still, this is insane. I never, NEVER thought I would be able to do such a thing. Good on me for working so hard that I could, but it seems surreal. I'm just a normal (if weird) guy. Buying a car as a gift? Absurd.
Nevertheless, I am happy I could do it, and happy that I still live in a country that allows me to maximize my talents for our material gain. For now.
Buying a car as a Christmas gift though. Who does that? Rich people, that's who. Sadly, I am not rich, but I did it anyway.
God bless America. It's worth fighting for.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 20, 2015 04:19 AM (N8hFs)
Posted by: Weirddave at December 20, 2015 04:22 AM (N8hFs)
Posted by: Weirddave at December 20, 2015 04:23 AM (N8hFs)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at December 20, 2015 04:44 AM (DMoow)
Posted by: Karl Sternovich at December 20, 2015 04:45 AM (9vLZK)
G'mornin Horde !
Please depart from my lawn in an orderly fashion.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 20, 2015 05:28 AM (erRNA)
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 05:29 AM (bD/dX)
Thanks for what you do.
Posted by: m at December 20, 2015 05:31 AM (d4uu4)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 05:32 AM (EzgxV)
But, good on him. Always knew he was good people.
Gingy is happy, I hope.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 05:33 AM (bD/dX)
Gross.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 05:35 AM (bD/dX)
Gross.
Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 20, 2015 05:35 AM (bD/dX)
No, the choice was peeing in the kitchen or hanging up on you. I feel confident that I made the right choice.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 05:39 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: cthulhu at December 20, 2015 05:40 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Eromero at December 20, 2015 05:43 AM (b+df9)
Good morning horde
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