Overnight Open Thread (11-24-2015)

Quote of the Day I

The most powerful tool we have to fight ISIL is to say that we're not afraid. To not elevate them and to somehow buy into their fantasy that they're doing something important.

-- President Mom Jeans the day before the State Department issued a world-wide travel advisory for Americans due to ISIL terrorism

Quote of the Day II

For Democrats, I think there's a sense of responsibility here. You know, President Obama waxed self-righteous about the Republican bill and the Republican behavior, but he's made a series of cold and, to me, amoral decisions over the past five years to allow this genocide. And maybe they were the right decisions, but they were not moral decisions.

-- David Brooks finally starting to get over those glorious perfectly creased pants

Quote of the Day III - Privilege With a Death Rate Edition

So this November, let's not keep patting the Mo-Bros on the head and tolerating this childish self-involvement-fest disguised as selflessness and the propagation online and in the media of the inherent importance of North American men and their problems.

...There are a lot of people in the world who would trade your slight risk of prostate cancer for their serious risk of being raped, being killed, starving to death, or dying of preventable diseases. Prostate cancer is a hallmark of privilege. Deal with it.

-- Alex Manley complaining about Movember and raising money to fight prostate cancer

Quote of the Day IV

The point of life is to never have an unpleasant emotional response. To anything. Note I didn't say that the point is to avoid them. That suggests personal responsibility, when the onus ought to be on everyone else: offense of any kind cannot be made. What's more the definition of offense is the sole possession of the offended. To take offense is to proclaim virtue, to show your highly developed sensibilities, and the point of having these sensibilities is to find a job, or career, or office, or blog, or tumblr, or some other platform where you can ensure that offense is never given. (If one gets a job doing this, it will be by appointment, not election.) The person will pass from the bubble of college to the bubble of social enforcement, keen on perfecting the world. And for the rest of his or her or xer professional life, they'll be shouting BE QUIET to a calm, rational adult who is too terrified to say "you're a terrible child who understands nothing. Go to your room."

These people will produce nothing. They will create no great art, write no symphonies, conjure no novels that speak across the decades, sculpt nothing of beauty. The world outside the bubble is irredeemable. It cannot, of course, be remade all at once, but tomorrow's a new day. Rome wasn't wrecked in a day.

-- James Lileks

Mollie Hemingway: 16 Of The Worst Ways To Respond To ISIS' Paris Attack

And the Left is determined to execute all of them. Read the whole thing.

Sobering Trend Lines

I think future historians will come to see 2012 as the year the wheels fell off the war on terror.

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Sorry for all the pre-Thanksgiving Eve bummering. So here is HappyCat to make it better. And to prepare you for The Bummering Phase II.

HappyCat

What Losing Looks Like

Journalists had another question: If oil is vitally important to the Islamic State, why didn't the U.S. hit the tanker trucks long ago, given that the American anti-ISIS operation began in September 2014?

"If it's so important to cut off the oil shipments, the critical revenue source for ISIS, why did it take so long to take out 116 oil tanker trucks?" a reporter asked.

Warren explained that American officials were deeply worried about harming the truck drivers, who were working for the Islamic State but might not be ISIS themselves. U.S. officials settled on a plan to drop leaflets on the trucks about 45 minutes before the raid, warning the drivers that an attack was coming, while U.S. pilots flew low passes over the area. Planning all that took time.

You Will Live in Interesting Times

Just like the old gypsy woman said!

Watching events unfold along the Turkish border this morning, you can't help but wonder if real flag officers are having similar thoughts.  Within a matter of minutes, a Turkish F-16 shot down a Russian SU-24 Fencer after it entered the country's airspace, and ignored 10 warnings to turn back.  The two-man crew ejected from the jet, but were shot as they descended in their parachutes by Turkish rebels operating along the border.    

Then, the Russians dispatched a search-and-rescue (SAR) helicopter to pick up the downed airmen.  But members of the Free Syrian Army--a rebel group backed by the U.S.--shot down the chopper, reportedly using an American-made TOW missile.  At least one member of the helicopter crew was killed.

The Good News: It turns Out That Some French Restaurant Diners Managed to Shoot And Kill Two Terrorists During the Paris Attacks
The Bad News: They Were Illegally Armed Members of a Columbian Drug Cartel

But on the other hand you do have this.

The ISIS Ladies Auxiliary: You Can Check Out Anytime You Want But You Can Never Leave

Why Boeing Should Send Russia a Gift Basket

It's all insider graft-y fun and games until a Russian sub actually pops up in the harbor.

Why Do Baseball Players Have a More Effective Union Than Football Players?

Paul Mirengoff has a theory:

However, I have a more general theory: baseball players are more ornery than football players (and, for that matter, basketball players).

Football and basketball stars become heroes at an early age. They are worshiped in high school (and sometimes before), courted extravagantly by college recruiters, pampered in college, and then (if they're good enough) placed directly into the luxurious life of the big leagues. (To be fair, though,a great many come from poor or lower middle class backgrounds.)

Baseball players are less celebrated in high school and college (if they attend). And they almost always enter the profession via the minor leagues, where they typically spend several years (quite possibly five or more if they become professionals right out of high school).

The minor leagues are a grinding, humbling experience. The pay is low, the towns lack glamor, and the bus rides are long, tedious, and not very comfortable.

Thus, my theory goes, when baseball players finally make it, they have a fortitude that their more spoiled counterparts in football and basketball lack. That's why they are more likely to hang tough in negotiations, as they did most famously during the 1994 labor dispute when the baseball season was lost.

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Le Shock: It Turns Out That Stereotypes Are Pretty Accurate

There are many different ways to test for the accuracy of stereotypes, because there are many different types or aspects of accuracy.  However, one type is quite simple -- the correspondence of stereotype beliefs with criteria.  If I believe 60% of adult women are over 5' 4" tall, and 56% voted for the Democrat in the last Presidential election, and that 35% of all adult women have college degrees, how well do my beliefs correspond to the actual probabilities?  One can do this sort of thing for many different types of groups.

And lots of scientists have.  And you know what they found?  That stereotype accuracy -- the correspondence of stereotype beliefs with criteria -- is one of the largest relationships in all of social psychology.  The correlations of stereotypes with criteria range from .4 to over .9, and average almost .8 for cultural stereotypes (the correlation of beliefs that are widely shared with criteria) and.5 for personal stereotypes (the correlation of one individual's stereotypes with criteria, averaged over lots of individuals).  The average effect in social psychology is about .20.  Stereotypes are more valid than most social psychological hypotheses.

CMP 1911s: Now Closer Than Ever

They probably won't be cheap or plentiful but they're coming.

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So Adele Shows Up to an Adele Impersonator Contest in Disguise

And the perfect punch line would be that she came in second. But in this case there was no contest. The best part is the look on the other contestants' faces when 'Jenny' finally starts to sing.

What It's Like to Fly on North Korea's One-Star Airline

It's Finally Out: The 2016 NYC Taxi Drivers Pin-Up Calendar!

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How About Some Sexy Panties For Your Old Lady For Xmas?

But how do you pick something out that she's going to like and gets your motor going? Well, let me help you with that, chuckles. Etsy store Bullet and Bee has a four set of Golden Girls panties. Each pair has a picture of either Bea Arthur, Estelle Getty, Rue McClanahan or Betty White. But they don't just have pictures of the four sexy ladies on them. Each one is a different style. The Bea Arthur is high rise, Estelle Getty's is high wasted, the Betty White is sheer, and the Rue McClanahan is crotchless. Let that sink in.

You can buy the whole set for $160 or each one for $38-$52. That's a bargain for that much sexiness!

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Comments

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1 Enstompening!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 11:22 PM (xNYi9)

2 Yay! ONT!

Posted by: Emmie at November 24, 2015 11:23 PM (PiNvr)

3 Real ONT woot woot

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:23 PM (2zd9l)

4 Hahaha. Rdbrewer hardest hit though he tried.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 11:25 PM (2x3L+)

5 Real evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 24, 2015 11:25 PM (YJmuy)

6 Ola Y hasta. Mucho trouble again. T'giving week is a bitch.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 11:26 PM (buExu)

7 Alright! All you fookers back into the Provo ONT or we start shootin'!!!

Posted by: Provisional ONT at November 24, 2015 11:26 PM (xodPA)

8 Gee. For some reason there's a huge spike in terror activity in 2008. I wonder whatever could have been behind that???

I guess we'll never know.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 24, 2015 11:28 PM (xodPA)

9 Prostate cancer is a hallmark of privilege. Deal with it.

-- Alex Manley complaining about Movember and raising money to fight prostate cancer

Go fuck yourself with a red-hot Bowie knife, Alex.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 11:29 PM (kpqmD)

10 Off topic, but this is an unusual situation.


I would appreciate prayers for both my brother and my sister-in-law, Beverly, who suffered a heart attack Sunday night and is still in hospital awaiting surgery tomorrow if all goes as planned. They've been married almost 45 years and are extremely close, so this is a bad situation.


Thanks in advance to the Horde,

Hrothgar

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 24, 2015 11:29 PM (ftVQq)

11 That was supposed to be "muchacos with some punctuation.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 11:29 PM (409vP)

12 Alex Manley. What a paradoxical name.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 11:30 PM (vsbNu)

13 Who's the chick in the PONT?

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2015 11:30 PM (gyKtp)

14 Not quite as sultry as that Provisional ONT.

Posted by: Garrett at November 24, 2015 11:30 PM (fCzIg)

15 Mart was tardy because of the awesome amount of content.

5 days away from news and you are the bummering King

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:31 PM (s0Kry)

16 Of course I will pray for Beverly and her husband, your brother. If you can tell mw what state they live in I will put it on the "Upper Room" prayer list which goes out to groups around the country.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:31 PM (No/ki)

17 Who's the chick in the PONT?
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2015 11:30 PM (gyKtp)

****

Lauren Bacall

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 11:31 PM (xNYi9)

18 12 Alex Manley. What a paradoxical name.
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 11:30 PM (vsbNu)
***
Ahh...and then there's Peter O'Toole......

Posted by: Mahty Heideggah at November 24, 2015 11:31 PM (/33sy)

19 Why would anyone buy crotchless underwear? Just go without if you're that much of a whore.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 11:32 PM (2x3L+)

20 The sword of Cortes shall silence that foul tongue.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 24, 2015 11:32 PM (GdFQh)

21 Who's the chick in the PONT?

Lauren Bacall who had been married to Humphrey Bogart.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:32 PM (No/ki)

22 Hrothgar best wishes to your family

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 11:32 PM (uZNvH)

23 Maet not Mart fricking iPad

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:33 PM (s0Kry)

24 I posted in provisional ONT that's been stomped.

Good Night!

Posted by: Carol at November 24, 2015 11:33 PM (sj3Ax)

25 Sure, Hrothgar. You've got it.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 11:33 PM (2x3L+)

26 Prayers up, Hrothgar

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 11:33 PM (xNYi9)

27 On the one hand, Air Juche play Nork propaganda and serve shitty food; but they don't overbook and don't miss the timetable.

In 1987-92, Continental would routinely overbook and cancel flights. The food was awful. As for inflight entertainment, we got "Ishtar" - bad Soviet propaganda.

I'll have to rate Air Juche higher.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 24, 2015 11:33 PM (J9qpF)

28 Alex Manley is a bit of a twat.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 24, 2015 11:33 PM (BsAwE)

29 So Alex Manley of course had the same article about women and Breast Cancer Awareness during October right?

Posted by: buzzion at November 24, 2015 11:34 PM (zt+N6)

30 Go fuck yourself with a red-hot Bowie knife, Alex.
I was watching a TV show yesterday with my mother with the close captioning on and "Bowie" was mistranscribed as "buoy"!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 24, 2015 11:34 PM (xodPA)

31 I am fat.

Posted by: Adele at November 24, 2015 11:35 PM (vsbNu)

32 Leave it to the drug cartel for CCW

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:35 PM (7uC+4)

33 Looks like the troll is early tonight.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 24, 2015 11:35 PM (YJmuy)

34 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:31 PM (No/ki)


Thank you Fenelon and Carol.

My SiL lives in the Hampton Roads area of VA.

And again, thanks in advance to all of you!

~H

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 24, 2015 11:36 PM (ftVQq)

35 Also, Air Juche has prettier stewardesses. Nowadays when you fly United (which took over from Continental), you get AIDS-carrying stewards like Patient Zero, or indifferent union babushkas who, if they pay attention to you at all, look at you like you're a threat.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 24, 2015 11:36 PM (J9qpF)

36 Nice to know that there is still man hate when it comes to prostrate cancer

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:37 PM (2zd9l)

37 Prostate cancer is a hallmark of privilege. Deal with it.

Deal with what? Your atrocious abuse of English. "hallmark of privilege"??

-- Alex Manley complaining about Movember and raising money to fight prostate cancer

Somehow I think this guy got tortured growing up about his name and is lashing back. 100:1 he was called "Womanley" all through school.

As to Movember .. never heard of it. Don't care.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 24, 2015 11:37 PM (zc3Db)

38 I think that story of the Austrian sisters from a Bosnian Serbian family who went to join ISIS is terrible. I know some people were calling her a twat-but she was a teen-teens do stupid, dangerous and irresponsible stuff. She obviously bought into whatever propoganda was on line about soldiers for the faith and no the parents have one dead kid and one missing. She certainly wasn't wearing a burkha or hijab in her photo (cute girl) so the parents were possibly moderate Muslims. What a horrible thing for them and for her.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:38 PM (No/ki)

39 Hrothgar

Prayers for both.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:39 PM (2zd9l)

40 What would the great philosopher Testicles or his pupil Vas Deferens say about Alex Manley?

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 11:39 PM (vsbNu)

41 "Who's the chick in the PONT?"


Lauren Becall. Just the hottest chick ever.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 11:39 PM (NCjjS)

42 I think future historians will come to see 2012 as the year the wheels fell off the war on terror.

Well, one thing we need to do is stop calling it "the war on terror". Terror is an emotion. Our enemy is Islam.

Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 11:39 PM (sdi6R)

43 Obama. .


a one word joke..

an expletive

a term of derision.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 24, 2015 11:39 PM (jD+em)

44 Here's Alex Manley (who doesn't look very manly)

http://tinyurl.com/nal6vka linkedin.com

He's down four, is wearing glasses and is listed as copy editor of link newspaper which is where he made those comments.

I'd like to inform Mr. Manley that every man has prostate cancer at some point in their life. It is inevitable.

It might not have killed them but it was there.

Autopsies were done on older men who were asymptomatic for prostate cancer and no one, repeat; no one they autopsied didn't have prostate cancer.

It will eventually happen (probably something to do with the decline in sexual activity of any sort) just that some men get it earlier and have symptoms.

So to Mr. Manley I send him a laurel and hardy Go Fcuk Yourself.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 24, 2015 11:40 PM (Xo1Rt)

45 >>>>>> Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:38 PM (No/ki)
--------
You have a tremendously compassionate heart. I wish I could be more like you.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 11:41 PM (2x3L+)

46 HOOOORDE

I go under the knife in 15 hours. For you believers, please ask God, Jesus, Odin, Thor or whomever to make the witch doctor's hand steady and strong. Don't ask Allah though, that guy seems like a dick.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 24, 2015 11:43 PM (e+1S5)

47 It will eventually happen (probably something to do with the decline in sexual activity of any sort) just that some men get it earlier and have symptoms.

So to Mr. Manley I send him a laurel and hardy Go Fcuk Yourself.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 24, 2015 11:40 PM (Xo1Rt)

****

I believe it also has something to do with living far beyond past average ages due to medical advances. I see this overall as a good thing.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 11:43 PM (T62aB)

48 The point of life is to never have an unpleasant emotional response. To anything. Note I didn't say that the point is to avoid them. That suggests personal responsibility, when the onus ought to be on everyone else: offense of any kind cannot be made.

That's just your basic tribal way of life. Tribalism involves collective morality. There is no such thing as individual responsibility. All is tribla. Individual guilt is replaced by tribalistic shame (offense, in this case). It is not a private affair, as guilt is, but strictly a public one. And the individual has no control over it, since he can be shamed/offended by others' public actions and words.

There's nothing new about this. In fact, it's just a return to the ancient and the backward.. But it allows for the individual to disappear into the masses.

If they keep going this way it won't be long before the lefties are kissing the ground five times a day just to pound into their pea-brains what useless, inconsequential pieces of shit they are ... just like another primitive political ideology they are rather fond of ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 24, 2015 11:43 PM (zc3Db)

49 The ISIS Ladies Auxiliary: You Can Check Out Whenever You Want But You Can Never Leave

Horrible story, but I can only hope that other stupid girls will see this and stay away from goat-fucking mohammedans as a result. If it saves just one life...(TM)

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 11:43 PM (kpqmD)

50 I'd like to inform Mr. Manley that every man has prostate cancer at some point in their life. It is inevitable.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That

We lucked out there, right ladies?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 24, 2015 11:44 PM (/oy1S)

51 A'right, Happy T-Giving to all if I 'm not around tomorrow to say so. Have as much fun as you can. Have some bird and hunt if you can.

Good weekend should be had nonetheless.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 11:44 PM (NCjjS)

52 DC, best of luck!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 24, 2015 11:44 PM (J9qpF)

53 Hrothgar prayers on their way. May God hold them in the palm of his hand

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 11:44 PM (zOTsN)

54 What a horrible thing for them and for her.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:38 PM (No/ki)


Screw them. It's a worse thing for the rest of us.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 24, 2015 11:45 PM (zc3Db)

55 I go under the knife in 15 hours. For you believers, please ask God, Jesus, Odin, Thor or whomever to make the witch doctor's hand steady and strong. Don't ask Allah though, that guy seems like a dick.
Posted by: DC in River City at November 24, 2015 11:43 PM (e+1S5)

Whoa! Had no idea. Good thoughts your way!

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 11:45 PM (kpqmD)

56 I go under the knife in 15 hours. For you believers, please ask God, Jesus, Odin, Thor or whomever to make the witch doctor's hand steady and strong. Don't ask Allah though, that guy seems like a dick.
Posted by: DC in River City at November 24, 2015 11:43 PM (e+1S5)

*****

Done.

Dude, for what? 3:00 (EST) surgery is inhuman.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 11:45 PM (T62aB)

57 Don't forget Hugh Johnson.

Posted by: Huge Beaumont at November 24, 2015 11:45 PM (FkBIv)

58 FenelonSpoke, I read your post and knew it was you before I saw your nic. I find your sympathy remarkable. Something I probably should aspire to. But can't or won't

I'm tired of the Muslim Faith. Sick & fucking tired

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:45 PM (VROg+)

59 If there's some tiny bit of consolation about prostate cancer, it's a relatively slow-growing one. But still, it's the C-word.

Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 11:46 PM (vsbNu)

60 Howdy, y'all!



As an update to the Chariot of the Elder God.....alas, it is neither of the things I had thought (PGM FI relay or fuel pump relay). I swapped one out (PGM FI) in advance of rain, then got out there in the early afternoon after it had stopped raining to test, and IT WORKED!!!! Only to find, after I'd scoured all the tropical plants and stuffed 'em in the greenhouses, that IT DIDN'T. I then swapped the other suspect relay, to encounter no joy.




I'm currently contemplating this horrible ordeal -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfwNvotdRfw -- because the car has been throwing a VTEC error code for about 3 years every time it got cold and damp, and I'm thinking maybe the cute little screen is totally full of crap. Unlike the guy in the vid, I'm willing to whittle a box end wrench down to whatever thin profile it needs to be to avoid all the crap he goes through. Just for giggles, I'm considering bridging the ignition switch at the connector to rule it out, as well.




And I ache like I was hit by a truck 'cause I moved about 500 pounds of potted plants today. I'm reasonably certain everyone is in and safe for oncoming frosts, though -- so there's that.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2015 11:46 PM (EzgxV)

61 Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 11:43 PM (kpqmD)

Considering she was the "poster girl" for ISIS recruitment for women I hope so too but kids can be phenomenally stupid and pig headed-much like some adults/ ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:46 PM (No/ki)

62 DC, what are you having done? And, yes, prayers right now for you

Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 11:47 PM (2x3L+)

63 Good luck, DC. May your surgeon NOT be a guy Charlie Sheen hooked up with.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 11:47 PM (hVdx9)

64 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:45 PM (VROg+)

I can understand your feeling that way.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:47 PM (No/ki)

65 I had surgery at 3pm on a Monday. It didn't go so well. Better luck you DC

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:47 PM (ZZgPW)

66 Prayers for you too DC

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 11:48 PM (zOTsN)

67 59 If there's some tiny bit of consolation about prostate cancer, it's a relatively slow-growing one. But still, it's the C-word.
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 11:46 PM (vsbNu)

Alex Manley can still go fuck himself with a red-hot Bowie knife.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 11:48 PM (kpqmD)

68 Tuesday Night ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/669200444070240256

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/669200644474040320

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/669200794261037056

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/669200988776046592

Posted by: kbdabear at November 24, 2015 11:48 PM (GrXXa)

69 Posted by: DC in River City at November 24, 2015 11:43 PM (e+1S5)

I will pray for you-but not to Odin or Thor. :^) You would have to ask somebody in the Asatru faith for that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:49 PM (No/ki)

70 More Tuesday Night ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/669201125279735808

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/669201389290184704

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/669201562678517761

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/669201723374874625

Posted by: kbdabear at November 24, 2015 11:50 PM (GrXXa)

71 {{{}}} and prayers for Hrothgar's family and DC.

Posted by: Vendette at November 24, 2015 11:50 PM (tT986)

72 FOAD, Alex Manley. Preferably of an almost sure killer cancer like pancreatic or liver.

I've already had to say FOAD to my prostate; hey, it was it or me.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2015 11:51 PM (gyKtp)

73 best of luck for DC as well
(the person, not the city)

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 11:51 PM (uZNvH)

74 Ha! Adele is singing a Bob Dylan song in that video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2s32xBUUWo

Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 11:52 PM (sdi6R)

75 FenelonSpoke, I read your post and knew it was you
before I saw your nic. I find your sympathy remarkable. Something I
probably should aspire to. But can't or won't



I'm tired of the Muslim Faith. Sick fucking tired

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:45 PM (VROg+)


You know you've been around here a while when you can read a post and know the author before you read the name of the author.

Posted by: Vendette at November 24, 2015 11:52 PM (tT986)

76 Well. Rain cancer won't do in Alex Manley maybe rectum cancer

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:53 PM (VROg+)

77 I had surgery at 3pm on a Monday. It didn't go so well.

Why? What happened?-if you care to share that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:54 PM (No/ki)

78 Brain

Damn I can't type tonite

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:54 PM (ZZgPW)

79 It will eventually happen (probably something to do with the decline in sexual activity of any sort) just that some men get it earlier and have symptoms.

*Scribbles note to self to double up on fap sessions*

BBL.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the Rain at November 24, 2015 11:54 PM (NJMWm)

80 Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 11:51 PM (uZNvH)

Any "meat angst" tonight?

Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2015 11:54 PM (HtUkt)

81 I have a fully inflamed prostrate gland.

Posted by: Alex Manley at November 24, 2015 11:54 PM (vsbNu)

82 yeah, I am sorry about my outburst last night, I was frustrated and a little drunk too

I posted earlier about my attempt at cooking a steak, let's just say it came out "very well done"

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 11:56 PM (uZNvH)

83 You know you've been around here a while when you can read a post and know the author before you read the name of the author.
I knew you were going to say that!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 24, 2015 11:56 PM (xodPA)

84 $160 for old batshit crazy libs on your underwear? Fuck that.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 24, 2015 11:56 PM (hy5nE)

85 HOOOORDE

I go under the knife in 15 hours. For you believers, please ask God, Jesus, Odin, Thor or whomever to make the witch doctor's hand steady and strong. Don't ask Allah though, that guy seems like a dick.
Posted by: DC in River City at November 24, 2015 11:43 PM (e+1S5)


Awww, are you finally going to be a real girl?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 24, 2015 11:57 PM (fC9RO)

86 FS my first knee replacement was Monday after Thanksgiving 4 day weekend. It ended up being partially replaced again 7 months later. I think it had more to do with the device rather than the doctor. But I didn't care for the doctor and his little butt boys after the surgery

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:58 PM (09Lhy)

87 75 FenelonSpoke, I read your post and knew it was you before I saw your nic. I find your sympathy remarkable. Something I probably should aspire to. But can't or won't.


I'll second that and no, I simply cannot.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the Rain at November 24, 2015 11:58 PM (NJMWm)

88 Vendette!

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.


(The rest of you hush up. I know I'm not a regular ONTer).

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2015 11:58 PM (1xUj/)

89
I posted earlier about my attempt at cooking a steak, let's just say it came out "very well done"
Posted by: chemjeff


How thick was the steak? What was the timing?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 24, 2015 11:59 PM (9YDUz)

90 Chemjeff you still trying to over compensate for last week?,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:59 PM (QvClr)

91 , let's just say it came out "very well done"

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 11:56 PM (uZNvH)


Perfect! Congratulations.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 25, 2015 12:00 AM (zc3Db)

92 19 Why would anyone buy crotchless underwear? Just go without if you're that much of a whore.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 11:32 PM (2x3L+)

I reasoned as much to Russell Brand, but he had this weird fetish of "contaminating" every bit of clothing I owned...

Posted by: Katy Perry at November 25, 2015 12:00 AM (wZ2hu)

93 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 24, 2015 11:58 PM (09Lhy)

Thanks; Sorry for your troubles.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 25, 2015 12:00 AM (No/ki)

94 Vendette is here on a week night & a Bandersnatch sighting

Must be holiday week

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:00 AM (MwNIp)

95 Two cartel leaders pulled guns and shot one of the terrorists. The other terrorist was taken out by Spider-Man and Thor who were having dinner at the table next to them.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 25, 2015 12:01 AM (2d71x)

96 Of course the Rue McClanahan panties are crotchless. She was topless on screen when she was younger and it was actually controversial, Thus, she got the sluttiest role on the show and the crotchless panties.

Posted by: Oschisms at November 25, 2015 12:02 AM (ZsN9X)

97 Thanks FS

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:03 AM (ZZgPW)

98 >>>Awww, are you finally going to be a real girl?

Nah. They're just going to remove the middle six inches. Hopefully I'll be able to wear shorts again.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 25, 2015 12:03 AM (e+1S5)

99 Two cartel leaders pulled guns and shot one of the terrorists. The other terrorist was taken out by Spider-Man and Thor who were having dinner at the table next to them.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky


Hulk Smash!

Posted by: Hulk at November 25, 2015 12:03 AM (FkBIv)

100 I'm tired of the Muslim Faith. Sick fucking tired
****

I understand. I feel that way about life lately.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 25, 2015 12:05 AM (hVdx9)

101 95 Two cartel leaders pulled guns and shot one of the terrorists. The other terrorist was taken out by Spider-Man and Thor who were having dinner at the table next to them.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 25, 2015 12:01 AM (2d71x)
****
1) Pin medals on those sons of bitches before deporting them to be imprisoned;
2) So, they're an item now, eh? Good for them - hope it keeps well for them both.

Posted by: Mahty Heideggah at November 25, 2015 12:05 AM (lutOX)

102 Good night everyone. I have to take my insomniac self to bed ("The" insomniac and I are no relation. :^) so that I can wake up and do the supermarket dash at 7;00 to replace the pumpkin pie my family already ate up.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 25, 2015 12:05 AM (No/ki)

103 Hollywood is trying to overload the public with Lefty propaganda for the Holidays. Got a movie about NFL concussions, one about priest molestation cover up and one about Hollywood blacklist. Enjoy.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 25, 2015 12:06 AM (2d71x)

104 Good luck DC, hope you're not an opera singer after the ordeal

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:06 AM (VROg+)

105 I knew you were going to say that!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 24, 2015 11:56 PM (xodPA)

Now, predict my Grey Cup preference.

Posted by: Vendette at November 25, 2015 12:06 AM (tT986)

106 Fly This Flag or Burn This Flag?

In the Ruthuglican H8 state of Utah, a condominium community association has fined a homeowner for daring to fly a flag of unity and justice!

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=10122

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 25, 2015 12:06 AM (vBeA5)

107 Woo-Hoo! I'm the starter for the rest of the year! PARRRRTAAAY!!! Its time to prove to all the haters and the doubters that I know what I'm doing and have the ability to be a starting quarterback in the NF-....

What's that they found out about my partying in Texas on the Bye week? I've been what!?


Well fuck.

Posted by: Johnny Manziel - Third String Quarterback at November 25, 2015 12:07 AM (zt+N6)

108 Nite FS if you get a mincemeat pie, please save me a piece

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:07 AM (09Lhy)

109 I wish I had some thing intelligent or witty to add to the conversation but alas I cannot.
Although a very modest drinker I've been enjoying a glass of Captain Morgan's finest and watching my favourite YouTube cooking show, Hot Thai Kitchen featuring, oddly enough, a hot Thai chef. Today she did a satay with pork sauce, which made which I could bother to learn how to cook.
I also wish I was as nice as FenelonSpoke.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:07 AM (4rzL1)

110 Shibumi Freelance Client Drama Update:

One of the bosses called me today. He spent 10 minutes-the entire length of the conversation- yelling at me. I explained my situation in the calmest way possible. He explained that they are a dysfunctional family, and you either deal with it or not. He could not refute any point I made.

His two basic points-paraphrased- were:
1. I pay you, what more do you want?
2. Anyone in the office can speak to you in any manner they choose, no matter how abusive and we will not call them on it.
3. We are not here to support you, even if you are doing work on our behalf that will benefit us and is at our request. Just get it done. We pay you.

I remained mostly calm, and managed to find out that he did not read a crucial email I sent him. Later I sent it over, and he admitted via email he never read it. Which... makes his ten minutes of yelling at me even more inappropriate, since he was making all his judgements off of inaccurate information.

That all being said, I told him I would send him my pro-rated invoice tomorrow, and if at some time in the future he wanted to talk, he could contact me.

The funny part is that I work with his partner 99% of the time, and since he is on vacation, he has stayed out of the whole situation. I texted him today and wished him a happy holiday and let him know I was no longer with the firm.

What a strange turn of events.

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at November 25, 2015 12:07 AM (9JJgN)

111 Betty White did pinup nude photo shoots too. And all I see for Rue McClanahan is wearing pasties for The Striptease Murder Case!

Addendum: Oh. And fully topless in Hollywood After Dark. I think I've heard of that before but don't know anything about it.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 25, 2015 12:08 AM (xodPA)

112 (The rest of you hush up. I know I'm not a regular ONTer).

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2015 11:58 PM (1xUj/)

He'll regret this in the morning.

Posted by: Vendette at November 25, 2015 12:08 AM (tT986)

113 And as an aside but not an excuse, that Alex Manley screed was done 4 years ago and they did apologize for it.

But it was one of those "I'm sorry if some people got upset" kind of apologies.

There just is no excuse for dismissing any disease because it only happens to white men or men of "privilege".

And btw. After watching that video of the kid in Chicago?

Emanuel just lost the next election. They're lucky they're only getting protests and not outright rebellion.

This was an execution. This is what we were told happened to Brown in Ferguson.

This was no where near justified.

To top it off they went into Burger King and deleted any images that were related to this (cop car went through parking lot pursuing the kid.

He was 20 feet from any cop and moving away when he was shot. And to top it off the cop emptied his pistol; 16 shots.

That was an execution.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 25, 2015 12:08 AM (Xo1Rt)

114 Now, predict my Grey Cup preference.
The West?!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 25, 2015 12:09 AM (xodPA)

115 The Monte Python ISIS/Terrorist skit sums it.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 12:09 AM (T78UI)

116 shibumi who is awash in existential dread, then when you go postal it should not come as a surprise to them.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 25, 2015 12:10 AM (hVdx9)

117 shibumi, wow, just wow. Sorry you had to deal with that shit. Boss man seems like a dickweasel

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:10 AM (vL/IL)

118 The Blue Bombers aren't in the Grey Cup so I don't care.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:11 AM (4rzL1)

119 Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at November 25, 2015 12:07 AM (9JJgN)



Yikes!

Posted by: Vendette at November 25, 2015 12:11 AM (tT986)

120 Silly andycanuck

Anything Edmonton for the Vendette

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:12 AM (vL/IL)

121 The Blue Bombers aren't in the Grey Cup so I don't care.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:11 AM (4rzL1)


Are you anywhere near Winnipeg? Go to some Grey Cup events if you can.

Posted by: Vendette at November 25, 2015 12:12 AM (tT986)

122 Right on schedule:

Russia resumes nuclear technology exports to Iran

http://tinyurl.com/ng75n2d

One good thing as we look forward to the impending nuclear holocaust - massive amounts of radiation might be the only thing that can cleanse Katy Perry of all the invisible "gifts" that Russell Brand left her.

Posted by: Thrawn at November 25, 2015 12:12 AM (wZ2hu)

123 shibumi that is very sad, they think money is a substitute for respectful behavior

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:13 AM (uZNvH)

124 2. Anyone in the office can speak to you in any manner they choose, no matter how abusive and we will not call them on it.

shibumi, good on you for walking. ^That^ is bullshit, anywhere, anytime, from anyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 25, 2015 12:13 AM (YJmuy)

125 121 The Blue Bombers aren't in the Grey Cup so I don't care.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:11 AM (4rzL1)


Are you anywhere near Winnipeg? Go to some Grey Cup events if you can.
Posted by: Vendette at November 25, 2015 12:12 AM (tT986)

Not anymore I'm not. I'm near Calgary now.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:13 AM (4rzL1)

126 A comment I couldn't get to in time last night.

Toast with a hole cut in the middle and an egg fried in it, our kids really liked those. We called 'em UFOs.

Good night, Gracies!

Posted by: mindful webworker - finally at November 25, 2015 12:13 AM (gECZB)

127 Fuckin' Red Blacks make it to the Grey Cup in their second year while the Bombers suck it up again.

*GRUMBLE*

Posted by: logprof at November 25, 2015 12:13 AM (vsbNu)

128 Is Weirddave here tonight? If so, my compliments on your thread this afternoon. A good read.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:13 AM (2zd9l)

129 Should have told them disrespect will cost you double.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 25, 2015 12:14 AM (2d71x)

130 127 Fuckin' Red Blacks make it to the Grey Cup in their second year while the Bombers suck it up again.

*GRUMBLE*
Posted by: logprof at November 25, 2015 12:13 AM (vsbNu)

Gives me a sad.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:14 AM (4rzL1)

131 116
shibumi who is awash in existential dread, then when you go postal it should not come as a surprise to them.
---
Not worth it. If I don't stand up for myself, who will? I am of a certain age, and do not want bad people in my life.

117
shibumi, wow, just wow. Sorry you had to deal with that shit. Boss man seems like a dickweasel
---
Bad boss just had a heart attack a few months ago and angioplasty at 49. I'm not supposed to know about. He's gained massive amounts of weight (guessing he's now over 300lbs) drinks and has a rage problem. He was filled with rage today. I know how these stories go. He's abusing himself and will either die of a massive heart attack or become crippled from it. I don't wish him that, but I know how the story goes.

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at November 25, 2015 12:15 AM (9JJgN)

132 Even tho I work in a PC environment, I make it a point to push back against those who act like dicks.
Some things I CANNOT tolerate. The fact you pay me does not make me your bitch.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 25, 2015 12:16 AM (hVdx9)

133 How thick was the steak? What was the timing?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 24, 2015 11:59 PM (9YDUz)

It was about 1 inch thick, I put it in a skillet with oil on medium high heat, 4 minutes per side, flipped it 4 times for total of 16 minutes, stupid meat thermometer kept reading 110 degrees even though the outside of it was almost completely black by that point and my kitchen was full of smoke

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:16 AM (uZNvH)

134 My wife is in California visiting the grandchildren and I'm tasked with maintaining some semblance of dietary discipline while she's a way.

So a chicken wing diet considered healthy these days?

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:16 AM (4rzL1)

135 Wasn't the Blue Bomber one of the Rockem Sockem robots?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 25, 2015 12:16 AM (FkBIv)

136 Not anymore I'm not. I'm near Calgary now.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:13 AM (4rzL1)


You poor thing.

On the other hand, Gingy, knitter-extraordinaire and non-tolerator of BS Moronette, grew up near Calgary.

Posted by: Vendette at November 25, 2015 12:17 AM (tT986)

137 One of the bosses called me today. He spent 10 minutes-the entire length of the conversation- yelling at me. I explained my situation in the calmest way possible. He explained that they are a dysfunctional family, and you either deal with it or not. He could not refute any point I made.

His two basic points-paraphrased- were:
1. I pay you, what more do you want?
2. Anyone in the office can speak to you in any manner they choose, no matter how abusive and we will not call them on it.
3. We are not here to support you, even if you are doing work on our behalf that will benefit us and is at our request. Just get it done. We pay you.

Posted by: shibumi


Good that you stayed as neutral as possible.

In a way it kind of sounds like boss man is has his own issues with the company and he's pissed that you had the sand to do something he won't do.

- the idea that an employee, contracted or otherwise, has to put up with a dysfunctional environment isn't a good excuse.

Stay strong. Give them nothing emotionally. And be resolute.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 12:18 AM (9YDUz)

138 136 Not anymore I'm not. I'm near Calgary now.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:13 AM (4rzL1)


You poor thing.

On the other hand, Gingy, knitter-extraordinaire and non-tolerator of BS Moronette, grew up near Calgary.
Posted by: Vendette at November 25, 2015 12:17 AM (tT986)

I do like seeing the mountains but miss the Bombers--well maybe not these days.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:18 AM (4rzL1)

139 Northern lurker, Yes

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:18 AM (09Lhy)

140 oh and family drama update, turns out they will be coming for Thanksgiving after all, but they did not tell me until this afternoon, so I am behind on my house cleaning

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:18 AM (uZNvH)

141 **Top 5 Reasons To Fly Air Koryo**

5. Air terrorism worries are so well alleviated knowing you're always under the watchful eye of Kim Jong-Un's most ruthless security officers and undercover goon squads

4. You've never heard Air Supply muzak 'til you've heard it performed by the Pyongyang National Car Horn and Kazoo Band

3. When selecting its stewardesses, Air Koryo always makes sure to hire only the finest underage tranny prostitutes Thailand has to offer

2. Rated Most Satisfactory Airline in the World by Bernie Sanders

1. Report any roach sighting during the flight and get at least one year of accommodation at one of North Korea's most talked-about reeducation and detention centers, absolutely free!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:18 AM (ntObR)

142 >>>What a strange turn of events.

Good on you, shibumi. The best adventures always begin with an unexpected betrayal. Don your eye patch, hoist the black flag, and attack the next phase of your life.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 25, 2015 12:19 AM (e+1S5)

143 82 yeah, I am sorry about my outburst last night, I was frustrated and a little drunk too

I posted earlier about my attempt at cooking a steak, let's just say it came out "very well done"

Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 11:56 PM (uZNvH)




Where'd you post the results?




If the pan is really hot, the outside gets cooked before the inside knows what's out there -- if the pan isn't hot enough, the whole thing warms to ugly grey. Did you try maxing out the pan before you put the steak in? Did you get a steak that you could observe from the side? Did you get good sear while not cooking the steak entirely through?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 12:19 AM (EzgxV)

144 Blue Origin's New Shepard rocket made a controlled landing yesterday after flying a suborbital flight to 100 km, which is the official definition of space.

This is a big effing deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pillaOxGCo


Apparently the weather was a bit cloudy, so the cameras couldn't follow the rocket the whole way up and down. The middle part of the video is CGI simulation. It carried no passengers. But the launch and landing are real.

Posted by: rickl at November 25, 2015 12:19 AM (sdi6R)

145 shibumi they shouldn't be treating their contract employees like dirt, good for you for having a backbone

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:19 AM (uZNvH)

146 , I put it in a skillet with oil on medium high heat, 4 minutes per side, flipped it 4 times for total of 16 minutes

Oh good, I was hoping we were going to keep talking about the steak. The key to steak (and also pork, fish, hamburgers, whatever) is to only flip it once.

Ignore silly meat thermometers.

You put it on the grill/skillet. At some point juice comes to the top. If you flip it as soon as you see juice you get rare; let the juice flow a little you get medium; let the juice stop flowing you get well done.

Flip it once, take it off the moment the juice comes up through the other side.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 12:19 AM (1xUj/)

147 The haters are out for Manziel and they got their wish. How dare he go out at night with his friends during his off time. Doesn't matter that the video does not show him drinking. He went out!!

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 25, 2015 12:20 AM (2d71x)

148 This is what we were told happened to Brown in Ferguson.

_________________________________-----

Actually Brown tried to kill a cop and then came back for more... all after committing a strong arm robbery.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 12:20 AM (T78UI)

149 For anime fans...

https://youtu.be/3QDyj9knJ44

Probably not the only one seeing parallels with current events in some cases.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2015 12:20 AM (7MJMR)

150 123
shibumi that is very sad, they think money is a substitute for respectful behavior
---
Yes, it is chemjeff.

I have worked for them- remotely- for over three years. They have deliberately avoided meeting me. Now I know why. They did not want me to see who they really are. Now I know. Yes, I will miss the cash, but not the stress.

The employee who caused all of this--and who can speak to me in whatever way he wants with no repercussions- wants his wife in my job. Guess he can have his wish now. It's going to be fun for the other boss- the one who has remained silent-- because he admits that they guy who caused this is a HUGE problem employee and he dislikes him. I guess the boss and bad employees wife can complain about him together now.

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at November 25, 2015 12:21 AM (9JJgN)

151 Speaking of knowing posters. I saw top 5 and thought of my buddy qdpsteve. And voilą it was him posting

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:21 AM (DmRs2)

152 Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at November 25, 2015 12:07 AM (9JJgN)

One asshole and one shitweasel. I'm sorry you're out a client, but nobody should have to put up with that kind of bullshit.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 25, 2015 12:23 AM (kpqmD)

153 MH, hello there. :-)

Hey everybody.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:23 AM (ntObR)

154 Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 12:19 AM (1xUj/)


If you use a George Foreman grill you don't have to flip it at all.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 25, 2015 12:23 AM (2d71x)

155 Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at November 25, 2015 12:21 AM (9JJgN)

Yeah, let them have each other, they are meant for each other, and you can go elsewhere away from the dysfunction

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:23 AM (uZNvH)

156 stupid meat thermometer kept reading 110 degrees
even though the outside of it was almost completely black by that point
and my kitchen was full of smoke


Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:16 AM (uZNvH)

Always believe your eyes before the instruments.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 12:24 AM (T78UI)

157 So a chicken wing diet considered healthy these days?
Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:16 AM (4rzL1)

****

Yes. It's all Paleo and shit.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 12:24 AM (T62aB)

158 Anything Edmonton for the Vendette

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:12 AM (vL/IL)


I also have a soft spot for the Winnipeg Jets.

Posted by: Vendette at November 25, 2015 12:24 AM (tT986)

159 Shibumi, if there is justice in the world - a vortex of negative energy will form and deposit all of them deep in the mountains of northern Afghanistan.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2015 12:24 AM (7MJMR)

160


If the pan is really hot, the outside gets cooked before the inside
knows what's out there -- if the pan isn't hot enough, the whole thing
warms to ugly grey. Did you try maxing out the pan before you put the
steak in? Did you get a steak that you could observe from the side? Did
you get good sear while not cooking the steak entirely through?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 12:19 AM (EzgxV)

Well when I put the steak in the pan, the oil in the pan was starting to smoke, I figured that was about the right time
I honestly could not see or notice the sear, or juices flowing for that matter

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:25 AM (uZNvH)

161 stupid meat thermometer kept reading 110 degrees

Buy some smart meat.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 25, 2015 12:25 AM (FkBIv)

162 Okay, so one week of chicken wings and adult beverages it will be.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:25 AM (4rzL1)

163 Saw the 'dealing with liberal relatives' thread earlier.

Hope Jane D'Oh swings by here at the ONT. Want to give her some tips on how best to torture and kill those hateful Stalinist relatives she has to deal with each Christmas.

"I'm frying the turkey this year... Oops!! Didn't mean to spill hot oil all over your legs!!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:25 AM (ntObR)

164 Just what the H is this Alex Manley complaining about? I HAVE Prostate Cancer and I have/am undergoing radiation treatment. Seed implants. I do not fell privileged in way what so ever. Is he saying men in the western world live longer due to privilege and thus get prostate cancer? What an idiotic statement.

Posted by: lynndy at November 25, 2015 12:25 AM (DaWUf)

165 ChemJeff, so is your writing as bad as your cooking??? o.O;;;

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2015 12:25 AM (7MJMR)

166 16 minutes 1" steak. Just how drunk were you chemjeff?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:25 AM (MwNIp)

167 I'm gonna fry wings for Thanksgiving this year. Picked up 30+ wingettes at Sprouts earlier today.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:26 AM (ntObR)

168 165
ChemJeff, so is your writing as bad as your cooking??? o.O;;;


Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2015 12:25 AM (7MJMR)

It was a dark and stormy kitchen...

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:26 AM (uZNvH)

169 She obviously bought into whatever propoganda was on line about soldiers
for the faith and no the parents have one dead kid and one missing.


If you think joining up with a horde of cruel sociopaths is romantic, there is something fucking wrong with you and the world is better off without you.

Let me repeat that statement: If you think a bunch of people who cut folks heads off en masse, burn people alive in cages, send small children to execute prisoners, destroy cultural heritage sites, throw folks off tall buildings, rape girls at very young ages, and generally behave like fucking Reavers are the cat's ass, I will feel no grief for your passing when you find out the fuckers are exactly what everyone else says they are.

Think of it as evolution in action.

This species needs an enema.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at November 25, 2015 12:26 AM (m9V0o)

170 If you use a George Foreman grill you don't have to flip it at all.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 25, 2015 12:23 AM (2d71x)

****

This.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 12:26 AM (T62aB)

171 It was about 1 inch thick, I put it in a skillet with oil on medium high heat, 4 minutes per side, flipped it 4 times for total of 16 minutes, stupid meat thermometer kept reading 110 degrees even though the outside of it was almost completely black by that point and my kitchen was full of smoke

Posted by: chemjeff


Hmm. So you were going by the thermometer? You may need a different thermometer but more importantly bi-metal thermometers aren't terribly accurate.

Better: touch test and your hand.

Raw steak feels like the base of your thumb on your open palm. Rare steak feels like the base of your thumb when you touch your thumb tip to the tip of your index finger.

Etc, etc. etc. from there down to your pinkie to your thumb which feels like well done.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 12:26 AM (9YDUz)

172 (Eyes Anna Puma warily)

Feels ache in flipper that was sown back on after she violently ripped it off.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 25, 2015 12:27 AM (hVdx9)

173 Speaking of not trusting instruments I like roasting my own coffee, and I like the fact of not relying on any instruments--it's all about looking and listening. And I like that.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:27 AM (4rzL1)

174 If you use a George Foreman grill you don't have to flip it at all.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 25, 2015 12:23 AM (2d71x)


I bought one of those grills years ago ... and the friggin thing didn't even have an on/off switch. You had to unplug it from the wall to turn it off! I'd never even heard of such a thing, especially something drawing as much current as a grill.

Do they have on/off switches, now? They've been selling them long enough that I would think they could afford to put them in.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 25, 2015 12:27 AM (zc3Db)

175 MH, gonna keep doing Top 5 lists 'til I personally get a Cease & Desist letter from Letterman's legal goons. ;-)

And then I'll figure out a way to keep doin' 'em anyway.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:27 AM (ntObR)

176 Well when I put the steak in the pan, the oil in the pan was starting to smoke

Oh, that's another thing. Don't use oil.

Trim the fat from the steak. Use the fat to grease the pan. You'll see when the fat begins to rend and crisp, that's when you're ready to cook.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 12:27 AM (1xUj/)

177 Tilikum, too busy right now.

25k of story written. And about 25 pages of script written.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2015 12:28 AM (7MJMR)

178 Or ChemJeff, was it a dark and smokey time in the kitchen?

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2015 12:29 AM (7MJMR)

179 What's kept me from getting a GF grill:

You can't *see* the steak cooking, which IMHO is important for gauging how done it is and/or you want it to be.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:29 AM (ntObR)

180 Northernlurker, depending on the sauces you could have your entire food pyramid. Not the Ben Carson type either.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:29 AM (09Lhy)

181 Probably should start looking into the real estate market for sellers in Cleveland.

Posted by: Johnny Manziel - Third String Quarterback at November 25, 2015 12:29 AM (zt+N6)

182 suddenly lost my appetite...

http://tinyurl.com/q7uxklh

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:30 AM (zyIlW)

183 Waiting for the George Foreman egg poacher.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 25, 2015 12:30 AM (FkBIv)

184 What does "rend and crisp" mean?

Posted by: rickl at November 25, 2015 12:30 AM (sdi6R)

185 Thank you all SO MUCH for your support. I really, really appreciate it. It's been a really rough night.. but this has been coming for a long time.

The boss who let me quit has no idea what I do for his partner (aka the other boss who is on vacation.) NONE.He made that very clear when we were speaking.

However, the boss on vacation is also OK with me being verbally abused. At one point, during a completely generic conversation about a year and a half ago, the angry boss turned on me and spoke to me in the most demeaning and insulting way possible. I hung up and cried. About six months later I told the boss currently on vacation what happened and his response was "huh."

I should have left then.

However, there is a fun part of this: I know lots of confidential information from boss currently on vacation that could rock their world. Like vacation boss gave a new employee a $30,000 bonus out of his pocket for bringing in a huge account. Angry boss knows NOTHING about that.




Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at November 25, 2015 12:31 AM (9JJgN)

186 I'm gonna fry wings for Thanksgiving this year. Picked up 30+ wingettes at Sprouts earlier today.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:26 AM (ntObR)

That's good for me....what are you gonna eat?

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2015 12:31 AM (HtUkt)

187 133 How thick was the steak? What was the timing?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 24, 2015 11:59 PM (9YDUz)
It was about 1 inch thick, I put it in a skillet with oil on medium high heat, 4 minutes per side, flipped it 4 times for total of 16 minutes, stupid meat thermometer kept reading 110 degrees even though the outside of it was almost completely black by that point and my kitchen was full of smoke

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:16 AM (uZNvH)



Use meat thermometers on roasts, not on steaks.




There are two well-known tests for done-ness on steaks, the poke test and the flop test. For the poke test, use the tongs that you're cooking with to poke into the meat -- it will gradually change from mushy like it's raw to very firm, like it's very overcooked. The flop test is to grab one end with the tongs and wave it in the air over the pan -- when raw, it flops around; when overcooked, it's like a dog's rubber chew toy. Find out what you like it to be like and shoot for that.



And you have gained many pieces of significant and useful information -- 16 minutes is too long, your stove can do a sear, meat thermometers are useless in steaks, and your ventilation sucks.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 12:31 AM (EzgxV)

188 SMFH, complete with breast-milk butter no doubt.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:31 AM (ntObR)

189 SMFH, that needs a real trigger warning. YUCK!

About to get into CQB with script. Or write more of Rome story.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2015 12:31 AM (7MJMR)

190
I bought one of those grills years ago ... and the friggin thing didn't even have an on/off switch. You had to unplug it from the wall to turn it off! I'd never even heard of such a thing, especially something drawing as much current as a grill.

Do they have on/off switches, now? They've been selling them long enough that I would think they could afford to put them in.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 25, 2015 12:27 AM (zc3Db)



They automatically shut off at a certain temperature. A lot of them have a light, that turns off to indicate when the heating element shuts off and it will then turn itself back on.

Posted by: buzzion at November 25, 2015 12:32 AM (zt+N6)

191 182 suddenly lost my appetite...

http://tinyurl.com/q7uxklh
Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:30 AM (zyIlW)

Sweet Jesus, that's one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard of.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 25, 2015 12:32 AM (kpqmD)

192 184 What does "rend and crisp" mean?
Posted by: rickl at November 25, 2015 12:30 AM (sdi6R)

I hope that's the game plan for ISIS. It is is't it

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:32 AM (4rzL1)

193 Anna,

would go well with toe jam, dontcha think?

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:32 AM (zyIlW)

194 What does "rend and crisp" mean?

Posted by: rickl at November 25, 2015 12:30 AM (sdi6R)


The fat melts out (rends) and starts to brown in small chunks as it cooks in the heat.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 25, 2015 12:33 AM (zc3Db)

195 Good night, all!

Posted by: Vendette at November 25, 2015 12:33 AM (tT986)

196 Always believe your eyes before the instruments.
Posted by: Burnt Toast


I always wondered about your nic.

Chemjeff, alot of the cheap meat thermometers have a silly long integration time. If your going to try and control the cooking with science instead of by feel, you'll have to get a decent thermometer.

I still recommend having a 22yo coed come over and teach you to cook.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 12:33 AM (fBkaR)

197 SMFH, had an NCOIC... if you mentioned toe-jam to him he would literally run out of the room.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2015 12:33 AM (7MJMR)

198 Primordial, sounds like what Ruth's-Chris supposedly does to its steaks.

I've read their crispy/sizzling on the outside, nice and warm/tender on the in...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:34 AM (ntObR)

199 You had to unplug it from the wall to turn it off!

technically safer than a switch

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 12:34 AM (fBkaR)

200 What does "rend and crisp" mean?

Rending is when you start to get liquid fat out of the fat that you cut off the steak. Crisp is when what's left behind of the fat starts to cook crisply like you'll want the steak to come out.

Basically you cut some fat off the steak and cook it. When it looks like it's cooking there's enough liquid fat in the pan to grease the steak.

The problem with oil is that it heats differently from meat. It can get way too hot without burning. The steak fat heats (and burns, if it's too hot) at the right temperature for the steak.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 12:34 AM (1xUj/)

201 196 Always believe your eyes before the instruments.
Posted by: Burnt Toast

I always wondered about your nic.

Chemjeff, alot of the cheap meat thermometers have a silly long integration time. If your going to try and control the cooking with science instead of by feel, you'll have to get a decent thermometer.

I still recommend having a 22yo coed come over and teach you to cook.
Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 12:33 AM (fBkaR)


All that giggling and distraction would lead right back to overcooking, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:35 AM (4rzL1)

202 hehehe Anna...grossing out superiors. Always fun.

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:35 AM (zyIlW)

203 They automatically shut off at a certain temperature. A lot of them have a light, that turns off to indicate when the heating element shuts off and it will then turn itself back on.

Posted by: buzzion at November 25, 2015 12:32 AM (zt+N6)


So you're saying that they still don't have on/off switches? That's crazy. I never liked pulling live plugs out of the wall, especially not for heavy current items.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 25, 2015 12:35 AM (zc3Db)

204 their? They're.

Geez I used to never make these kind of grammar mistakes...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:35 AM (ntObR)

205 Ado you should've written for old bucket teeth. I enjoy your top 5 lists

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:35 AM (8PcKC)

206 Oh wait I have pictures, hold on

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:35 AM (uZNvH)

207 Whenever I'm done with my deep fryer I immediately unplug it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:35 AM (ntObR)

208 However, there is a fun part of this: I know lots of confidential
information from boss currently on vacation that could rock their world.


Yes, but you're a professional and probably wouldn't mention those tidbits outside of a discovery process.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 25, 2015 12:36 AM (YJmuy)

209 146 , I put it in a skillet with oil on medium high heat, 4 minutes per side, flipped it 4 times for total of 16 minutes

Oh good, I was hoping we were going to keep talking about the steak. The key to steak (and also pork, fish, hamburgers, whatever) is to only flip it once.

Ignore silly meat thermometers.

You put it on the grill/skillet. At some point juice comes to the top. If you flip it as soon as you see juice you get rare; let the juice flow a little you get medium; let the juice stop flowing you get well done.

Flip it once, take it off the moment the juice comes up through the other side.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 12:19 AM (1xUj/)




This is almost useful -- but if the pan is hot enough to get good sear, the heat will tighten it up on the side you initially lay it, so you will only sear around the edges. It's better to give it a small go on the first side to get the tightening, then flip it to get a good sear all across the second side, then flip again to get the middle of the first side seared. If it isn't cooked through all the way, you can keep flipping as desired.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 12:36 AM (EzgxV)

210 203 They automatically shut off at a certain temperature. A lot of them have a light, that turns off to indicate when the heating element shuts off and it will then turn itself back on.

Posted by: buzzion at November 25, 2015 12:32 AM (zt+N6)

Buzzion. I thought you were no more. I heard you had joined the choir in realms celestial, that you were pining for the fjords.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:37 AM (4rzL1)

211 I never did it to him. And no one ever did it when we were MOPP4.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2015 12:37 AM (7MJMR)

212 Apparently the weather was a bit cloudy, so the
cameras couldn't follow the rocket the whole way up and down. The
middle part of the video is CGI simulation. It carried no passengers.
But the launch and landing are real.

Posted by: rickl at November 25, 2015 12:19 AM (sdi6R)

Rather hard to see the most cost-effective way of recovering a launch vehicle is adding additional equipment and fuel and potential systems failure to come back under pure rocket engine power where proven technology going on a century uses the atmosphere (wings and/or parachutes) and little cost... the massive expense in space launches is due to a geometric cost growth to just carry the fuel to carry a bit more fuel to carry a bit more payload a bit farther...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 12:37 AM (T78UI)

213 >>>You had to unplug it from the wall to turn it off!

technically safer than a switch

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 12:34 AM (fBkaR)


Huh?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 25, 2015 12:37 AM (zc3Db)

214 Crisp outside/tender inside.

Let the ex signicant other jokes/rants begin

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:37 AM (8PcKC)

215 Oh, that's another thing. Don't use oil.

Trim the fat from the steak. Use the fat to grease the pan. You'll see when the fat begins to rend and crisp, that's when you're ready to cook.

Posted by: Bandersnatch


Chem is working without the aid of a well-seasoned pan so I'd go with a little oil to keep the flesh part from sticking to heating surface as the fat doesn't render instantly, Esp with steaks because you're leaving the bulk of the fat content intact.

Foreman grill
I know they are cheap crap but they do thin pork chops amazingly well.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 12:37 AM (9YDUz)

216 would go well with toe jam, dontcha think?
Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:32 AM (zyIlW)

*****

Add fromunda cheese, mix well and serve.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 12:38 AM (T62aB)

217 I do filet mignon in the microwave, ... very carefully ...
thirty seconds at a time... until exactly perfect. . . by eye. When it looks right, it's done.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 12:39 AM (lPwBo)

218 All that giggling and distraction would lead right back to overcooking, wouldn't it?
Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:35 AM (4rzL1)


Learning not to cook nude must be taught experientially.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 12:39 AM (fBkaR)

219 yeah...practical jokes + MOPP4 = not fun.

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:39 AM (zyIlW)

220
Yes, but you're a professional and probably wouldn't mention those tidbits outside of a discovery process.



Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 25, 2015
----

You are 110% right Blanco.

However, it's fun to imagine boss on vacation staying up nights wondering... what did I tell her? What does she know? Who is she going to tell.? We work in a very small industry, and I could do harmful things to them.

But I will not do that either, because I don't want to be who they are. I want good clients I respect, who respect me as well. I have higher standards, even if they do not.

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at November 25, 2015 12:40 AM (9JJgN)

221 Thin pork chops? Hell, that's against the law here

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:40 AM (09Lhy)

222 MWNP,

wouldn't you love to have her make you a sammich?

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:40 AM (zyIlW)

223 their? They're.

Geez I used to never make these kind of grammar mistakes...
Posted by: qdpsteve
-------------

There, there...
It will get worse as you get older.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 12:40 AM (9mTYi)

224 160


If the pan is really hot, the outside gets cooked before the inside
knows what's out there -- if the pan isn't hot enough, the whole thing
warms to ugly grey. Did you try maxing out the pan before you put the
steak in? Did you get a steak that you could observe from the side? Did
you get good sear while not cooking the steak entirely through?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 12:19 AM (EzgxV)
Well when I put the steak in the pan, the oil in the pan was starting to smoke, I figured that was about the right time
I honestly could not see or notice the sear, or juices flowing for that matter

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:25 AM (uZNvH)



The sear is when the grey cooked beef gets browned and a little crusty. It shouldn't totally cover the steak, but it should be at least 50% of each side.



Technically, it's the Maillard reaction -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction .

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 12:40 AM (EzgxV)

225 As a kid I worked at a steak place, they would mike the well-done fillet orders, then grill the outside.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 12:41 AM (fBkaR)

226 I do filet mignon in the microwave, ... very carefully ...
thirty seconds at a time... until exactly perfect. . . by eye. When it looks right, it's done.
Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 12:39 AM (lPwBo)

*****

*Sighs and shakes head, walikng away grumbling*

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 12:41 AM (T62aB)

227 Hey, MH. Been thinking you might have fallen in the lake.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 12:41 AM (9mTYi)

228 You are 110% right Blanco.

I'm marking the date and time. First time I've ever been over 38.7% correct.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 25, 2015 12:41 AM (YJmuy)

229 Okay, before the Horde manages to to get my cookies to toss. Which Chicken ala King and a crazy Huey ride never did...

Back to writing.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2015 12:41 AM (7MJMR)

230 Whenever I'm done with my deep fryer I immediately unplug it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:35 AM (ntObR)


Sure, but you turn it off before you unplug it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 25, 2015 12:42 AM (zc3Db)

231 I always broil my steaks . Only draw back is a dirty oven.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 25, 2015 12:42 AM (2d71x)

232 Better: touch test and your hand.

Raw steak
feels like the base of your thumb on your open palm. Rare steak feels
like the base of your thumb when you touch your thumb tip to the tip of
your index finger.

Etc, etc. etc. from there down to your pinkie to your thumb which feels like well done.


Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 12:26 AM (9YDUz)

That instruction works best with a video presentation.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 12:42 AM (T78UI)

233 Chem is working without the aid of a well-seasoned pan so I'd go with a little oil to keep the flesh part from sticking to heating surface as the fat doesn't render instantly

Yes, he could swab the pan with oil but mop it all up with a paper towel to mimic seasoning.

Just to be clear, I'm saying trim some fat first, render it in the pan, and then cook the steak in its own grease.

Also, for simplification, in the bad old days if cooking on a grill it was one cigararette, flip it, another cigarette and take it off. I'm reformed now.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 12:42 AM (1xUj/)

234 MWNP,

wouldn't you love to have her make you a sammich?
Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:40 AM (zyIlW)

******

Sure, but first she would.....

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 12:42 AM (T62aB)

235 Sure, but first she would.....

Pour you a drink?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 25, 2015 12:43 AM (YJmuy)

236 That instruction works best with a video presentation.

Posted by: Burnt Toast


Click the link in the nic.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 12:43 AM (9YDUz)

237 Ruth's Cris advertises that they bring the steak to the table on 500F degree plates. Since paper is supposed to burn at 451F does a piece of paper burst into flames if you drop it on your plate?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 25, 2015 12:44 AM (FkBIv)

238 Bandersnatch - so rare steaks, one cig to the plate?

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 12:44 AM (fBkaR)

239 Ummm, well, real wine from foot stomped grapes.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 12:44 AM (T78UI)

240 Crisp outside/tender inside.
-----------------------------
Farside cartoon:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ollh4uc

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 12:45 AM (9mTYi)

241 Steak in the microwave? WTF is going on here tonight? Where's CDB when you need him?,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:45 AM (UiGnh)

242 176 Well when I put the steak in the pan, the oil in the pan was starting to smoke

Oh, that's another thing. Don't use oil.

Trim the fat from the steak. Use the fat to grease the pan. You'll see when the fat begins to rend and crisp, that's when you're ready to cook.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 12:27 AM (1xUj/)



This works -- except that I like to buy steaks well-trimmed. I use oil 'cause I'm lazy.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 12:45 AM (EzgxV)

243 Ummm, well, real wine from foot stomped grapes.

Fermented with the yeast from toe-jam? Gross.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 25, 2015 12:45 AM (YJmuy)

244 My ingredients

http://tinypic.com/r/2076r68/9

Right after adding to the skillet

http://tinypic.com/r/158a2p3/9

Waited 4 minutes, then flipped

http://tinypic.com/r/20zd6qd/9

Waited 4 minutes again, then flipped again

http://tinypic.com/r/348jzo0/9

Cooked 4 more minutes, then checked temperature

http://tinypic.com/r/zsl554/9

Cooked 4 more minutes

http://tinypic.com/r/2qjb0at/9

Checked temperature again, it actually went down

http://tinypic.com/r/2873c0n/9

Cut it open, this is what it looked like

http://tinypic.com/r/w0jinc/9



Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:46 AM (uZNvH)

245 Ruth's Cris advertises that they bring the steak to the table on 500F degree plates. Since paper is supposed to burn at 451F does a piece of paper burst into flames if you drop it on your plate?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 25, 2015 12:44 AM (FkBIv)

*******

Naahhh. At Ruth's Chris, your credit card limit is what goes up in flames.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 12:46 AM (T62aB)

246 Just to be clear, I'm saying trim some fat first, render it in the pan, and then cook the steak in its own grease.
Posted by: Bandersnatch


ah, ok, I gotcha.

I used to do beef stew like that; fry up the trimmings first for the oil and discard. Pain in the ass.

Oil + Pan = 10 seconds.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 12:46 AM (9YDUz)

247 240 Crisp outside/tender inside.
-----------------------------
Farside cartoon:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ollh4uc
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 12:45 AM (9mTYi)

I miss Gary Larson.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:46 AM (4rzL1)

248 Ruth's Cris advertises that they bring the steak to the table on 500F degree plates. Since paper is supposed to burn at 451F does a piece of paper burst into flames if you drop it on your plate?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr


Not necessarily. The plate doesn't tranfer heat to paper at a perfect rate. However, if the paper is thin enough or frayed, I suspect you might get some charring - which could lead to ignition.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 12:46 AM (fBkaR)

249 Bandersnatch - so rare steaks, one cig to the plate?

No. And by "grill" I meant to say over fire. Hey, it's late, you should just get my meaning without me typing it.

One cigarette is about five minutes. Five on each side is nice and rare but cooked and charred on each side.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 12:46 AM (1xUj/)

250 Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:30 AM (zyIlW)



Sweet Jesus, that's one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard of.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 25, 2015 12:32 AM (kpqmD)

So now you know the back-story on unleavened bread.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 12:47 AM (T78UI)

251 Mike Hammer, glad you shared that cartoon. My all-time favorite Far Side. Thanks. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:47 AM (ntObR)

252 Mr. Hammer I was out Bambi hunting. Deer 1-Mis Hum 0

Firearms did return to the bottom of the Tyler Forks River upon completion.

Turned off news for 5 days. Bummer to hear everything today

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:50 AM (+oRxW)

253 With the documentary evidence it becomes obvious, ChemJeff was doing a Science! experiment like Alton Brown would do.

Testing to destruction would be Engineering.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 12:50 AM (lPwBo)

254 Cut it open, this is what it looked like

http://tinypic.com/r/w0jinc/9



Oh, you poor dear!

Actually, it looks as if you salvaged some texture. You must have started with a good cut of meat.

There is, and here I'm addressing your nick, quite a lot of chemistry in understanding cooking.

I don't know the chemistry, but I used to date a Cordon Bleu trained chef and she was always explaining how sauces were created by the emulsification of the things and the stuff.

You might find that an interesting avenue into cooking.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 12:51 AM (1xUj/)

255 stomped grapes.

Fermented with the yeast from toe-jam? Gross.

-----------

Pairs well with bread made from feminist cooch yeast.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 25, 2015 12:51 AM (RU5ki)

256 Cooked 4 more minutes

http://tinypic.com/r/2qjb0at/9

Checked temperature again


Sorry, jeff, but I broke out laughing there. Honestly, I would have thrown away the thermometer at that point.

But, seriously, you did fine. It was cooking in the middle too much. Just bring the temp down a little and cover it to keep the heat around the whole steak. Screw the thermometer and change your cooking temps until you get it the way you like it.

BTW, I would have been happy to eat those steaks.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 25, 2015 12:51 AM (zc3Db)

257 I do enjoy those times I hangout with the Horde on the ONT and engage but its time for bed.

Posted by: Northernlurker, feeling grumpy today at November 25, 2015 12:51 AM (4rzL1)

258 226 I do filet mignon in the microwave, ... very carefully ...
thirty seconds at a time... until exactly perfect. . . by eye. When it looks right, it's done.
Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 12:39 AM (lPwBo)

---------

Yer shittin' me.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 25, 2015 12:53 AM (RU5ki)

259 Jeff should have stuck with volcanoes to eat

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:54 AM (gmP76)

260 My mom likes her steak *charred.* As in, it could be pitch black, crumbling and smoking and she'd probably still eat it.

At least I got her to enjoy ribeyes.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:54 AM (ntObR)

261 259
Jeff should have stuck with volcanoes to eat

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:54 AM (gmP76)

at least I wouldn't have to worry about a volcano being medium rare

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:54 AM (uZNvH)

262 Ummm, well, real wine from foot stomped grapes.

Fermented with the yeast from toe-jam? Gross.


Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 25, 2015 12:45 AM (YJmuy)
It's a symbiotic relationship.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 12:55 AM (T78UI)

263 Yer shittin' me.

Oh, crap, here come the scat puns.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 25, 2015 12:55 AM (YJmuy)

264 Thanksgiving should be a real hoot at Yeasty Feminist's house.

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:55 AM (zyIlW)

265 And then I have a bro-in-law who likes his steak bloody rare.

BTW I spoke with my sister today about the other night that I told you all about. She apologized and could understand why what she did was a... bad idea.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:56 AM (ntObR)

266
BTW I spoke with my sister today about the other
night that I told you all about. She apologized and could understand
why what she did was a... bad idea.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:56 AM (ntObR)

Oh that is good to hear. So she is going to tone down the trampiness?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:56 AM (uZNvH)

267 SMFH, at her house, NEVER ask for 'extra giblets.'

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:57 AM (ntObR)

268 And, BTW, CJ -- congratulations on beginning to "play with your food". Seriously, it's all about observation and refinement -- and you'll be surprised how few iterations it takes before really good stuff starts happening. There isn't a chef out there who hasn't morosely chomped some charcoal along the way.



When we get a basic steak, I can coach you through faux-teppanyaki -- which is so easy that they cook it at your table in restaurants.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 12:57 AM (EzgxV)

269 chemjeff, apparently so yes. :-)

There go my plans to meet Charlie Sheen.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:57 AM (ntObR)

270 Heh qdp...or pass the rolls.

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:58 AM (zyIlW)

271 Sounds like I missed somethings here on the ONT?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 12:58 AM (qhUQl)

272 "How do you make your cranberry sauce... so *red*??"

:-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 12:59 AM (ntObR)

273 ugh...

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 12:59 AM (zyIlW)

274 G'night everyone.

Got to spend at least 6 hours pretending to work tomorrow.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 25, 2015 12:59 AM (YJmuy)

275 Nite Blanco
Good luck on your acting job

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 01:00 AM (MwNIp)

276 Good night Blanco

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 01:00 AM (uZNvH)

277 So based on those pics, should I have stopped at the 12-minute mark?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 01:01 AM (uZNvH)

278 Holy Shit!!

They remade Point Break!

And cast Del Roy Lindo in my part.....

Posted by: Gary Busey's Cocaine Nostalgia at November 25, 2015 01:01 AM (5XLfr)

279 Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:46 AM (uZNvH)

Hah, you got the same glass top I got when I bought this house three years ago.

temperature control on an electric stove top sucks in general, usually worse with glass. this stove cycles on/off as it senses it needs heat to match the setting rather than holding a constant heat level...

Try getting a heavier pan, higher heat setting (8 or 9) and flip sooner. If it is underdone (however you like it) put it back on at a lower level.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 01:03 AM (T78UI)

280 'ello 'orde:
non-sequitur question that I know y'all can answer.
I knew this but a brutal man-cold and my killer pseudoephedrine buzz has my brain is a bit gassy tonight. What's that vapor-cone thingy called that sometimes forms around a jet around trans-sonic speeds? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: jow at November 25, 2015 01:04 AM (5NCiy)

281 103 Hollywood is trying to overload the public with Lefty propaganda for the Holidays. Got a movie about NFL concussions, one about priest molestation cover up and one about Hollywood blacklist. Enjoy.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 25, 2015 12:06 AM (2d71x)
--------------
Such delightful holiday entertainment!!!
And perfect for the whole family!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 25, 2015 01:05 AM (T/5A0)

282 Heston is like the Alton Brown of the UK for cooking shows. He tests techniques repeatedly until he comes up with the best.

Steak at home:
https://youtu.be/nhOV89EQtJs

His key points:
Raw steak in the fridge for up to two days to dry out
Take the steak out of the fridge to get close to room temp
Salt only before cooking
Insanely hot pan with oil
Digital thermopen -> Still the touch test is better, less destructive
Rest the steak on a wire rack -> somewhat bullshit as SeriousEats.com demo'd

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 01:06 AM (9YDUz)

283 Shibumi, glad to hear you stood up for yourself. Wish I had had the options you did, during the times in the past when I needed to stand up for myself.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:06 AM (ntObR)

284 212
Rather hard to see the most cost-effective way of recovering a launch vehicle is adding additional equipment and fuel and potential systems failure to come back under pure rocket engine power where proven technology going on a century uses the atmosphere (wings and/or parachutes) and little cost... the massive expense in space launches is due to a geometric cost growth to just carry the fuel to carry a bit more fuel to carry a bit more payload a bit farther...
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 12:37 AM (T78UI)


The idea is to bring the rocket back to a controlled landing on dry land for reuse. Parachuting into the ocean is OK for recovering a capsule, but seawater contamination generally isn't conducive to reuse.

Throwing a rocket away after each launch is much more expensive than recovering it, refueling it, and launching it again. That's the goal.

Where would the aviation industry be if they had to junk airliners after every flight?

Posted by: rickl at November 25, 2015 01:07 AM (sdi6R)

285 What's that vapor-cone thingy called that sometimes forms around a jet around trans-sonic speeds? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: jow


Vapor cone?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 01:08 AM (9YDUz)

286 Wiki sez Prandtl-Glauert singularity ?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 01:09 AM (9YDUz)

287 So based on those pics, should I have stopped at the 12-minute mark?


OK, I promise this is my last post as Mr. Steak. It actually already looks like a hot mess at that point.

I counted your 4 minute intervals wrong and the first pic I looked at was the last with the smoke from the burning oil all over the place.

This is why I recommend cooking it in its own fat. By the time oil burns you're already way too hot for the meat. Rend the fat, when it burns it's too hot. When it cooks you're cooking.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 01:09 AM (1xUj/)

288 HappyCat? That beast is so bloodthirsty he has bitten through his own tongue. You can see his tooth protruding through his punctured tongue. The only thing that makes him happy is the thought of clamping his jaws onto your neck.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 25, 2015 01:10 AM (IN7k+)

289 Chemjeff.


I use unsalted butter in the skillet, and if things start to get a bit too hot towards the end of the cooking, I splash in a couple ounces of whatever beer I've got open. It'll cool the pan a few degrees, and let me get the steak just right.

Oh, and it helps with a perfect char-glazed finish, too.

Meanwhile, while you're still learning? Commit heresy, and give your steak a test-slice, in the pan when you thin you want to see how "done" it is.

You'll only have to do it a few times, and then you'll very quickly learn the "done-ness" and program your eye and the feel of the steak under your fork or tongs. And you'll get it right every time.

Be sure to take the steak off the heat when it's just a bit more pink than you'd like. Don't worry, it's still "cooking" for a few minutes yet.

Meanwhile, serve up all your side dishes, set the steak on the plate and serve.

By time you've done all that and sat down ready to eat, the steak is ready to be eaten.

Synchronicity, a beautiful thing.

Oh, and if you're grilling onions to go with the steak? Season 'em 'xaclty like the steak, steal 2 tablespoons of the butter the steaks are cooking in, and start the onions when the steaks are 1/2 done.

When you splash the steaks with some beer, give the onions a splash, too.

I don't eat onion, but I'm told they're great when I cook 'em that way.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 25, 2015 01:11 AM (McRlu)

290 Throwing a rocket away after each launch is much
more expensive than recovering it, refueling it, and launching it again.
That's the goal.



Where would the aviation industry be if they had to junk airliners after every flight?

Posted by: rickl at November 25, 2015 01:07 AM (sdi6R)
Maybe it is a scaling problem, but the ruskies bring back capsules with chute, and we brought back the shuttle with glider wings, both instead of carrying the fuel to land vertical like the took off.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 01:12 AM (T78UI)

291 @284 Rickl you might want to consider Mayalsian airlines

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 01:12 AM (gmP76)

292 nvmnd - Prandtl-Glauert Singularity/Transformation/Effect is what I was thinking but I guess that's just about the mathematics and theory behind it. Was in the middle of explaining to youngest nephew that it didn't indicate supersonic and thought I'd forgotten the term but I guess vapor/condensation cloud/cone is pretty much it.
/nonsequitur

Posted by: jow at November 25, 2015 01:15 AM (5NCiy)

293 290
Maybe it is a scaling problem, but the ruskies bring back capsules with chute, and we brought back the shuttle with glider wings, both instead of carrying the fuel to land vertical like the took off.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 01:12 AM (T78UI)


Yes, but the Soyuz (and Apollo) capsules are/were not reused, and the Shuttle turned out to be insanely more expensive than originally advertised. The Shuttle cost about a billion dollars per flight. That price needs to come down. A lot.

Posted by: rickl at November 25, 2015 01:16 AM (sdi6R)

294 Two full nights talking about steak. Good lord.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 01:16 AM (T62aB)

295 @148 Actually Brown tried to kill a cop and then came back for more... all after committing a strong arm robbery.
------------------

I think the point is that the story that the "eyewitnesses" put together about Brown matches up reasonably well with what actually happened to this other kid. Brown didn't actually do any of it, but there were riots in Ferguson anyway. The cops actually did do it to this other kid.

Posted by: junior at November 25, 2015 01:16 AM (PVi+Q)

296 Hey, have a math/algebra question for the Horde.

As I recall, if you have an equation such as the one below:

3 + 4 x 2

with NO bracketing, you just solve from left to right as you go along.

Is that correct? Again, I'd swear that's what I recall from algebra classes I've taken.

So the answer would be 14. Correct?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:17 AM (ntObR)

297 Vapor cone?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 01:08 AM


Thanks. Didn't read too much of the wiki because my brain already hurts.

Posted by: jow at November 25, 2015 01:17 AM (5NCiy)

298 Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:17 AM (ntObR)

No, without parentheses, you follow order of operations.

First exponentiation/raising to a power, then multiplication/division, then addition/subtraction

So 3 + 4 x 2 equals 11

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 01:18 AM (uZNvH)

299 Chemjeff, just make sure your steak isn't focking RAW!

http://tinyurl.com/oqzxrrv

Posted by: Gordon Fuckin' Ramsey at November 25, 2015 01:18 AM (wZ2hu)

300 So the answer would be 14. Correct?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:17 AM (ntObR)

***

PEMDAS. The answer is 11.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 01:18 AM (T62aB)

301 chemjeff, hmm. Okay. Thanks.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:19 AM (ntObR)

302 @149 For anime fans...

https://youtu.be/3QDyj9knJ44

Probably not the only one seeing parallels with current events in some cases.
-----------------------

Loved that series. Never saw the spin-offs, but I understand I'm not missing much.

But don't mention the horrible 2040 reboot in my presence...

Posted by: junior at November 25, 2015 01:19 AM (PVi+Q)

303 qdp nope - order of operations matters


http://www.mathgoodies.com/Lessons/vol7/order_operations.html

11, they even used your problem as the example.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 01:19 AM (fBkaR)

304 >>What's that vapor-cone thingy called that sometimes forms around a jet around trans-sonic speeds? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: jow

Vapor cone or shock collar or shock egg

Posted by: Aviator at November 25, 2015 01:19 AM (c7vUv)

305 So is there an equivalent Prandtl-Glauert Singularity effect for a vehicle approaching the speed of light in a vacuum? Where the transition is instantaneous and non linear?

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 01:19 AM (lPwBo)

306 Oh, and if you're grilling onions to go with the steak? Season 'em 'xaclty like the steak, steal 2 tablespoons of the butter the steaks are cooking in, and start the onions when the steaks are 1/2 done.

When you splash the steaks with some beer, give the onions a splash, too.

I don't eat onion, but I'm told they're great when I cook 'em that way.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim


Grilled onions in a pan is a high-wire act, imho. Too easy to overcook them.

Caramelized onions are the way to go and have to be done in advance at least 20 minutes ahead. CBD had a Sunday post on the technique.

Or better, slice up 3 lbs of onions, into a slow cooker with some olive oil, overnight, crack the lid in the morning for an hour, retrieve and let them cool for 30 min. Scoop them into ice cube trays, freeze, store in freezer bags, and use on the fly.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 01:19 AM (9YDUz)

307 order of operations

PEMDAS = Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication, Division, Addition, Subtraction.

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 01:20 AM (zyIlW)

308 Math, steak recipes. Wtf happened to the ONT while I was gone?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 01:20 AM (QvClr)

309 MWNP and Jean, also thanks.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:20 AM (ntObR)

310 So the answer would be 14. Correct?Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:17 AM

Order of Operations:

Please
Excuse
Me
Dear
Aunt
Sally

Parentheses, exponents, multiply/divide, add/subtract.

Posted by: jow at November 25, 2015 01:21 AM (5NCiy)

311 we brought back the shuttle with glider wings, both instead of carrying the fuel to land vertical like the took off.
Posted by: Burnt Toast
------------------

It requires a yuuuge mass of fuel to get things out into orbit. The problem being that the fuel itself adds mass, lots of mass. Thus a large quantity of the energy used is used to lift the fuel. Adding enough fuel to accomplish a soft landing just makes the task even more daunting. Buck Rogers made it look easy.

Consider for the Saturn 5 first stage:
Empty mass 287,000 lb (130,000 kg)
Gross mass 5,040,000 lb (2,290,000 kg)

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 01:21 AM (9mTYi)

312 As I recall, if you have an equation such as the one below:

3 + 4 x 2

with NO bracketing, you just solve from left to right as you go along.

Is that correct? Again, I'd swear that's what I recall from algebra classes I've taken.

So the answer would be 14. Correct?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:17 AM (ntObR)


The answer is potato.

Posted by: Kommun Koar Maths at November 25, 2015 01:23 AM (vBeA5)

313 Thanks jow.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:23 AM (ntObR)

314 I was going to say 'My Dear Aunt Sally', but, never mind.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 01:23 AM (9mTYi)

315 Buck Rogers & his white privilege

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 01:23 AM (gmP76)

316 So the answer would be 14. Correct?
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24

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 01:24 AM (9mTYi)

317 Hat, do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:24 AM (ntObR)

318 As I recall, if you have an equation such as the one below:

3 + 4 x 2

with NO bracketing, you just solve from left to right as you go along.

Is that correct? Again, I'd swear that's what I recall from algebra classes I've taken.

So the answer would be 14. Correct?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:17 AM (ntObR)


This is why Reverse Polish Notation is superior.

4
ENTER
2
*
3
+

Posted by: The Reverse Polish Hat at November 25, 2015 01:24 AM (vBeA5)

319 Mike, how so??

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:24 AM (ntObR)

320 Chemjeff,


I recognize that pan in the pic, and it's a bit of your problem, right there.

The metal is too thin, it's a cheap, stamped steel product with non-stick. Dollar store pan, basically.

Move up to a heavy machined aluminum pan. Sam's Club has a good twelve-inch pan commercial non-stick pan for about $24. The same weight pan at Macy's would be over $75 for a Caphalon or similar grade.

At Sam's Club, those pans are over where the commercial food service supplies are. Not where the consumer grade housewares are on the rack.

You *WILL* need a heavier pan if you want to take control of your ChefChemJeff project.

The heavy pots and pans hold and regulate heat far more evenly. They don't tend to burn food as quickly, either.

Change your pan as a matter of first priority before you jump into cooking another steak.

And this one isn't really a suggestion. Politely as possible, I must insist. Your current cookware as pictured is a Kamikaze Pan, but your steaks won't even suffer an honorable death therein.

Get good cookware, and you'll notice the difference the first time you use 'em.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 25, 2015 01:25 AM (McRlu)

321 24
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 01:24 AM (9mTYi)

*****

If we are going there, I bid 36.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 01:25 AM (T62aB)

322 So the answer would be 14. Correct?
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24

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 01:24 AM (9mTYi)


42

Posted by: Ford Prefect at November 25, 2015 01:25 AM (vBeA5)

323 283
Shibumi, glad to hear you stood up for yourself. Wish I had had the
options you did, during the times in the past when I needed to stand up
for myself.
---
Thank you qdpsteve. I do appreciate it. However, the whole thing has been super upsetting, but here's my take away thoughtt: I'm not young any more. Life is short. I don't want to spend my life with people who think it's OK to abuse me.

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at November 25, 2015 01:26 AM (9JJgN)

324 I don't like PEMDAS. Its technically wrong, but I can't recall coming across a real world function in which it mattered.

Paraenthenese
Exponents and Roots, from Left to Right
Multiplication and Division, from Left to Right
Add and Subtract, from Left to Right

I seen kids get hung up on doing multiplication before division, because of PEMDAS

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 01:26 AM (fBkaR)

325 36C

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 01:26 AM (pahrJ)

326 amen shibumi.

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 01:26 AM (zyIlW)

327 Mike, how so??
Posted by: qdpsteve
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If you are speaking of machine calculation, the hierarchy is: Multiply, divide, add, subtract.

2 x 4 = 8, 8 +3 = 11

Wait, did I say 24? Never mind.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 01:27 AM (9mTYi)

328 Also, that's an 'expression'.

An equation has a '=' in it somewhere.

Posted by: Methos is being pedantic because everyone already gave the helpful response at November 25, 2015 01:27 AM (ZbV+0)

329 hhmm my Texas Instruments TI-30XIIS says '11.00 x 10' what ever that means.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 01:27 AM (lPwBo)

330 And... I understand they are just trying to save the engines for reuse... low hanging fruit.

Put a damn chute on the tail end, the tanks can crumple like a modern uni-body car in a wreck. Engines good for the one or two reuses they hope to get out of them. Although them they can get the added mass for indefinitely resusable engines or loose a customers payload which cost 100x the engine.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 01:28 AM (T78UI)

331 Goodnight Morons
Be well

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at November 25, 2015 01:28 AM (7uC+4)

332 Jewel outdid Adele years ago.

I was never a fan of her Jewel but she pulled a fast one on a karaoke bar full of her fans while showing some real class. Quite charming, actually:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmv1VhrtYRo

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 25, 2015 01:28 AM (RcpcZ)

333

Chemjeff:

Microwave + frozen burritos ... chimichangas for special occasions.

Can be prepared during one (1) commercial break.


... simplify your life ...

Posted by: Arbalest at November 25, 2015 01:28 AM (FlRtG)

334 niters MH

Posted by: SMFH at November 25, 2015 01:29 AM (zyIlW)

335
*ponders using a couple of skewers attached to an AC cord to cook steak*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 01:29 AM (9mTYi)

336 Night, MH.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 01:29 AM (9mTYi)

337 332 Jewel outdid Adele years ago.

I was never a fan of her Jewel but she pulled a fast one on a karaoke bar full of her fans while showing some real class. Quite charming, actually:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmv1VhrtYRo


Posted by: Ed Anger at November 25, 2015 01:28 AM (RcpcZ)



Too bad its a pepsi commercial.

Posted by: buzzion at November 25, 2015 01:29 AM (zt+N6)

338 I don't like PEMDAS. Its technically wrong, but I can't recall coming across a real world function in which it mattered.

Paraenthenese
Exponents and Roots, from Left to Right
Multiplication and Division, from Left to Right
Add and Subtract, from Left to Right

I seen kids get hung up on doing multiplication before division, because of PEMDAS
Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 01:26 AM (fBkaR

***

They need better teachers then. This makes total and complete sense, once learned.

I have not been instructed in this stuff for 35 years, but could pull it up instantly.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 01:30 AM (T62aB)

339 This is why Reverse Polish Notation is superior


An HP-12C guy!

*fistbumps*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 01:30 AM (1xUj/)

340
So, math. Isn't there some standing rule about that around here?

And will Maetenloch notice that the ONT is becoming a steak cooking seminar, and start posting relevant links?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 25, 2015 01:30 AM (QDnY+)

341 shibumi, you're welcome and I feel the same way.

Just frustrates me. When I was a kid, I was bullied horribly in school and *nobody* gave a shit. Now one kid looks cross-eyed at another kid and it's panic time.

And, *exactly* the same with my working years. 20-30 years ago, I had employers pull shit with me that, if they tried to do it today, I'd be able to become a wealthy, wealthy man. But of course I got railroaded out of my last job just for *staring* at an attractive co-worker.

I admit I have to fight off the feeling sometimes, apparently abusiveness from superiors is only wrong and actionable if it happens to someone else. But whenever it's happened to *me,* no one ever gives a shit. Just sick of it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:30 AM (ntObR)

342 244 My ingredients

http://tinypic.com/r/2076r68/9

Right after adding to the skillet

http://tinypic.com/r/158a2p3/9

Waited 4 minutes, then flipped

http://tinypic.com/r/20zd6qd/9

Waited 4 minutes again, then flipped again

http://tinypic.com/r/348jzo0/9

Cooked 4 more minutes, then checked temperature

http://tinypic.com/r/zsl554/9

Cooked 4 more minutes

http://tinypic.com/r/2qjb0at/9

Checked temperature again, it actually went down

http://tinypic.com/r/2873c0n/9

Cut it open, this is what it looked like

http://tinypic.com/r/w0jinc/9



Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 12:46 AM (uZNvH)



Ingredients -- lose the salt and the meat thermometer. If the wesson is pure soy, that's good [digression into smoke point of oils -- olive, peanut, soy are good; corn and canola, not so much]. Also, that may not be the best fire extinguisher for your kitchen (although I'm a big fan of having appropriate fire extinguishers everywhere) -- I suspect it's a 5AB. As you can see here -- http://www.fire-extinguisher101.com/ -- your kitchen should have a C rated fire extinguisher. With the glass cooktop, you're far more likely to be saved by spraying with a 5AB than electrocuted because it didn't have a C, so I wouldn't toss what you have.....but when you have a chance, get an ABC rated one for the kitchen and set your AB up for your garage or patio.



Looks good in the skillet.



4 minutes was too long. How long does it take you to walk to the other end of the house and back? Also, it helps to swoosh around in the pan because the area directly under the steak gets cooled with respect to the rest. You want it to sizzle. Those little dribs and drabs to the right and left -- that's flavor you left in the pan. The blackened part on top -- that's over-seared.



Meat thermometers are useless with steaks.



http://tinypic.com/r/2qjb0at/9 is where it really starts just looking altogether wrong. I'm not sure exactly how to analyse this -- it appears that you're getting more actual smoke than sizzle. Sizzle is when the juices of the meat propel the fats into an aerosol, which can be dangerous/interesting because aerosolized fats can flash-combust. Smoke is when they've already combusted in the pan.



Again, keep the meat thermometer around for roasts -- just never use it for a steak again.



And, as a final word of advice for the last photo.....and I've done worse, really..... Start collecting bottles of sauces for when you have to choke down a mistake. If you nuke the sauce for 20 seconds, and dip each bite in, you'll hardly notice that it's chewy and half charcoal.



Chemjeff, that was a GREAT first try. You second attempt is going to show humongous improvement. And kudos for having the balls to dive in and go for it! You just know the pajamaboy crowd at Starbucks would have retreated to their safe spaces before actually giving it a go.












Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 01:30 AM (EzgxV)

343 I'm in some time warp again, I posted a comment a minute ago and was around The 90's, hit refresh and the count is 327.
Anyway read the Federalist article, very good but long.

Posted by: Skip at November 25, 2015 01:30 AM (KSdzX)

344 So is there an equivalent Prandtl-Glauert
Singularity effect for a vehicle approaching the speed of light in a
vacuum? Where the transition is instantaneous and non linear?
Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 01:19 AM

*blink*

*glazed eyes*

I think it gets really heavy along the line...? and shorter to an observer any observer in a relatively slower frame of reference...? Or, maybe I don't...?

All you physicists can just stop laughing know. Or, even better, state what I'm trying to say accurately (...or correct the whole thing is probably more like it. Please use small words.).

Posted by: jow, what learned theoretical physics from Discovery channel at November 25, 2015 01:30 AM (5NCiy)

345 Slice some onion, toss it in a small bowl with some butter and some Worcestershire or Montreal steak seasoning and mike it for a few seconds. They will caramelize; you can dump them in your pan for a few seconds if you insist on some burned bits for authenticity.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 01:31 AM (fBkaR)

346 ok I will get the better pan
I think I have a better idea about how to do it now
thank you all for the advice, I promise I won't clog another ONT with more steak stuff
but it is time for me to go to bed, good night all

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 01:31 AM (uZNvH)

347 That works with mushrooms as well, delta to wine

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 01:31 AM (fBkaR)

348 Awwww but we had steak last night.

Posted by: Picky ONT eater at November 25, 2015 01:31 AM (zt+N6)

349 Nite all.

Thank you so much for your support these last few days. I really do appreciate it.

((hugs)) for everyone.



/also, I am just randomly awash in existential dread; tomorrow I might be awaiting SMOD again.


Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at November 25, 2015 01:31 AM (9JJgN)

350 >>>Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 01:24 AM (9mTYi)

*****

If we are going there, I bid 36.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 01:25 AM (T62aB)<<<

69! **annoying laugh**

Posted by: Billy Madison at November 25, 2015 01:32 AM (REdlt)

351 right chemjeff, we want to see you braising some scallops and broccoli rabe next week.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 01:33 AM (fBkaR)

352 Chemjeff,





I recognize that pan in the pic, and it's a bit of your problem, right there.



The metal is too thin, it's a cheap, stamped steel product with non-stick. Dollar store pan, basically.



Move up to a heavy machined aluminum pan. Sam's Club has a good
twelve-inch pan commercial non-stick pan for about $24. The same weight
pan at Macy's would be over $75 for a Caphalon or similar grade.



At Sam's Club, those pans are over where the commercial food service
supplies are. Not where the consumer grade housewares are on the rack.




Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX



Posted by: Jim at November 25, 2015 01:25 AM (McRlu)

I second that - and having the same range, I know it cycles between 100% on and 0% off which would aggravate the problem of a light weight pan...

The next upgrade would be getting even the cheapest gas range.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 01:33 AM (T78UI)

353 *throws in cards*

I'm out.

Nighters.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 01:34 AM (9mTYi)

354 "I think that story of the Austrian sisters from a Bosnian Serbian family who went to join ISIS is terrible."

I myself referred to them as Bosnian Serb refugees earlier, but found myself shortly thereafter recollecting that as having been an inaccurate characterization. They were Bosnian, and Muslim, but not Serbian.

As for the idea that "teens do stupid things", many of them certainly do, in all times and all places, but at the time these particular teens took off to join up with the Islamic State, it was abundantly clear that IS was a homicidal death cult. That's just a leetle bit different than an unemployed-musician boyfriend or a bad drug trip or a shoplifting charge.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 25, 2015 01:35 AM (noWW6)

355 I it was a provincial thread with a picture at end of the face of a woman and that had brought to you by tag.

Posted by: Skip at November 25, 2015 01:35 AM (KSdzX)

356
weft and Jean with the killer onion cooking tips.

Actually I don't mind caramelizing the "regular" way, and with a heavy cast iron skillet and gas range it's not that difficult, in my experience. At the moment I have neither such a skillet nor such a range, but se Deus quiser both deficiencies will be remedied.

One other benefit from caramelizing the regular way - rich sweet aromas of caramelized onion in part of the house.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 25, 2015 01:35 AM (QDnY+)

357 right chemjeff, we want to see you braising some scallops and broccoli rabe next week.
Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 01:33 AM (fBkaR)

*****

Sheesh, I just wanna hear about how the guy finally cooked a good steak because I never wanna hear about it from him again.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 01:35 AM (T62aB)

358 jow, I think your close. The effect would appear different for those inside the vehicle and observers outside. I believe it would look like a linear process inside and instantaneous from outside -- or vice versa.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 01:36 AM (fBkaR)

359 MWNP, even steak can be spam sometimes. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:36 AM (ntObR)

360 294 Two full nights talking about steak. Good lord.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 01:16 AM (T62aB)


Well since the ONT has turned into all cooking tips and recipes, I'm taking the next two nights off and just posting placeholder ONTs.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 25, 2015 01:37 AM (wqVD1)

361 It's ok torque, the Austrians used to get confused about Bosnians being Austrian.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 01:38 AM (fBkaR)

362 Maet, can you really blame us?

Politics has become too depressing.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:38 AM (ntObR)

363 277 So based on those pics, should I have stopped at the 12-minute mark?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 01:01 AM (uZNvH)



I think you'd have been really happy if each flip had been at 2:30 instead of 4:00. And, BTW, if that was from a feral pig cookout where trichinosis was a possibility, that'd look mighty tasty -- I wouldn't want it any other way.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 01:38 AM (EzgxV)

364 "PEMDAS/order of operations"
*sniff*
Y'all morons are making me soooo proud.
*wipes away tear of proudness*

Posted by: Emmie the math maven at November 25, 2015 01:39 AM (PiNvr)

365 An equation has a '=' in it somewhere.

Posted by: Methos is being pedantic because everyone already gave the helpful response at November 25, 2015 01:27 AM (ZbV+0)


ENTER > =

Posted by: The Postfix Hat at November 25, 2015 01:39 AM (vBeA5)

366 oh, I do know "heavy" should should have been "massive"...and that's about it.

man, I am pseudostoned.


Posted by: jow, what learned theoretical physics from Discovery channel at November 25, 2015 01:40 AM (5NCiy)

367 @354
As for the idea that "teens do stupid things", many of them certainly do, in all times and all places, but at the time these particular teens took off to join up with the Islamic State, it was abundantly clear that IS was a homicidal death cult. That's just a leetle bit different than an unemployed-musician boyfriend or a bad drug trip or a shoplifting charge.
---------------------

Unfortunately, the teenage mind seems to have the ability to romanticize just about anything...

Posted by: junior at November 25, 2015 01:40 AM (PVi+Q)

368 Well since the ONT has turned into all cooking tips
and recipes, I'm taking the next two nights off and just posting
placeholder ONTs.


Posted by: Maetenloch at November 25, 2015 01:37 AM (wqVD1)

Like what do you do with 12 pounds of leftover turkey.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 01:41 AM (T78UI)

369 Well since the ONT has turned into all cooking tips and recipes, I'm taking the next two nights off and just posting placeholder ONTs.
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 25, 2015 01:37 AM (wqVD1)

*****

Good Lord, just tell me that Yoko has no space in those placeholders.

Pretty please.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 01:41 AM (T62aB)

370
Guess I should want one of the CMP 1911s, but unless 1) their condition is better than I'm assuming, and 2) getting one would not be expensive or involve frenzied ordering the nanosecond CMP fires the starter's gun ...... nah.

Since decent WWII 1911s seem to go for $1200+, I'm probably good with just a contemporary one with original A1 features. I've got a Springfiled Mil-Spec that is almost like an A1, and I have WWII Remington-Rand grips on it.

Real dilemma for me is adding another Garand to the stable. End is in sight for those (speaking generally), and CMP's price for a nice one is still quite low considering even current market value.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 25, 2015 01:41 AM (QDnY+)

371 I just notice a 1911 in the post...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2015 01:42 AM (T78UI)

372 If you are speaking of machine calculation, the hierarchy is: Multiply, divide, add, subtract.

I was taught:

[Brackets First]
Please
Excuse
My
Dear
Aunt
Sally

Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication, Division. Addition, Subtraction - in that order.

I used RPN calculators for years. They only came in handy a few times. And they're worthless to anyone who wants to borrow it.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 25, 2015 01:42 AM (RcpcZ)

373 Good evening everyone,
It's "Friday night" for me, feels good.
Nice kitty pic, fun Adele vid
What's going on tonight?

Posted by: FormerlyMountainTurtle at November 25, 2015 01:43 AM (hipNa)

374 the first pron video i ever saw, at least the first one i remember seeing, had a dude phucing a turkey. Seriously. It was uncooked in case that narrows it down to a sub-genre.

Posted by: jow, what learned theoretical physics from Discovery channel at November 25, 2015 01:46 AM (5NCiy)

375 How does one deal with an addict relative?

A very close relative of mine is an addict. (Exactly which kind of an addict will be redacted. But take your pick: drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc.).

One's natural urge is to "help" and "take care of" close family relatives. In direct conflict with that, one's other natural urge is to avoid addicts' endless lies and manipulations to get money, and to just let them "hit bottom" so they get a much-needed cluebat upside the head to set them on the proper road in life.

So here's what has happened:

This relative, through a decades-long endless series of incredibly stupid and shortsighted lifestyle decisions, has found ximself in an extremely terrible and precarious housing situation -- inches away from homelessness.

Ever since this summer, 5 months ago, every time I talked to this relative, I said, "This upcoming winter is going to be very rainy; a massive El Nino is building. You need to arrange for better housing so you don't find yourself still living in that tent/toolshed/abandoned-car/lean-to (again, details redacted for security reasons) when the rains hit. You will be cold, wet and miserable."

I must have said some variation of this a hundred times.

And this relative is eligible for all sorts of subsidized housing -- just so long as xhe has the patience and stick-to-it-iveness to fill out the forms and negotiate the red tape.

But no. For five months (not counting the previous 25 years as well getting into this pickle in the first place), xhe ignored my advice and continued squandering all money and resources on day-to-day hedonism, and never going to any effort to fix up the living situation problem.

So: The rains have started to arrive. Exactly as I and everyone knew and had been predicting since summer. And starting a couple days ago, suddenly -- D'oh! -- this relative is in a panic to find real housing, as if the idea had just struck xim for the first time.

You can guess where this is leading: Now xe is demanding $$$ and is uncorking every juvenile ineffective lie and emotional manipulation and sad attempt at mind-games to finagle the money out of me and other assorted relatives.

My first response is, "What have you been doing these last five months? Ignoring my warnings? Partying the days and nights away like a brain-damaged fool? You need to hit bottom -- it's the only way you will learn the lessons necessary for you to stop being so self-destructive."

My second response is, "Seriously, do you actually think I or anyone else in this family believes one word of your childish lies and tales of woe? You've burned and ripped off everyone you've ever known far far too many times for anyone to ever trust you again. You blew it - sorry."

But my third response, an internal dialogue this time, is, "What kind of heartless sadist would allow a close relative to freeze or starve to death, when you have it in your power to save xeir life? A truly moral person would even save a stranger; so how can you possibly condemn a blood-relative to a miserable life or death when it could so easily be avoided?"

Recommendations? Help -- or not help?

Posted by: zombie at November 25, 2015 01:46 AM (jBuUi)

376 320 Chemjeff,


I recognize that pan in the pic, and it's a bit of your problem, right there.

The metal is too thin, it's a cheap, stamped steel product with non-stick. Dollar store pan, basically.

Move up to a heavy machined aluminum pan. Sam's Club has a good twelve-inch pan commercial non-stick pan for about $24. The same weight pan at Macy's would be over $75 for a Caphalon or similar grade.

At Sam's Club, those pans are over where the commercial food service supplies are. Not where the consumer grade housewares are on the rack.

You *WILL* need a heavier pan if you want to take control of your ChefChemJeff project.

The heavy pots and pans hold and regulate heat far more evenly. They don't tend to burn food as quickly, either.

Change your pan as a matter of first priority before you jump into cooking another steak.

And this one isn't really a suggestion. Politely as possible, I must insist. Your current cookware as pictured is a Kamikaze Pan, but your steaks won't even suffer an honorable death therein.

Get good cookware, and you'll notice the difference the first time you use 'em.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 25, 2015 01:25 AM (McRlu)




There are all sorts of reasons to upgrade pans, but he managed to scorch a steak with this one. And it was only covering about 15% of the heated area of the pan. I think some handling skills will benefit him faster than an equipment upgrade at this point.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 01:47 AM (EzgxV)

377 Well since the ONT has turned into all cooking tips

and recipes, I'm taking the next two nights off and just posting

placeholder ONTs.




Posted by: Maetenloch at November 25, 2015 01:37 AM (wqVD1)


I am sorry Maet, I did not mean to minimize your terrific ONT content, I promise I won't talk about cooking steak again on the ONT

Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 01:48 AM (uZNvH)

378 I was told there would be no math!

Posted by: FormerlyMountainTurtle at November 25, 2015 01:48 AM (hipNa)

379 Recommendations? Help -- or not help?
Posted by: zombie at November 25, 2015 01:46 AM (jBuUi)

*****

Yer on your own, Cupcake. Bye.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 01:49 AM (T62aB)

380 zombie, can relate.

Does this relative at least have a car? It's not much, but better than nothing when the rains hit.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 01:51 AM (ntObR)

381

Recommendations? Help -- or not help?


zombie:

If the addiction involves "items" that could result in you or another family member facing felony charges, maybe losing your/their house ...

If the addiction involves violence ...

If the addiction involves (petty, or maybe not-so-petty) crime ...

If the addiction involves local interaction with dealers ...


... think of yourself first.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 25, 2015 01:53 AM (FlRtG)

382 Recommendations? Help -- or not help?

Posted by: zombie at November 25, 2015 01:46 AM (jBuUi



The help you should be giving them is directions to the nearest rehab center.

Posted by: buzzion at November 25, 2015 01:55 AM (zt+N6)

383 Tough predicament zombie, if they hit rock bottom, will they learn? Maybe help with paperwork but no money? How can you help them, what actions can you take so they begin to take responsibility for themselves? Or are they completely incapable of self responsibility?

Posted by: FormerlyMountainTurtle at November 25, 2015 01:56 AM (hipNa)

384

... and ... The rains have started to arrive.


Send him to Harbor Freight to get 2 or 3 really big tarps and some rope.

I recall there are at least a few homes in Berkeley (north of campus, east of Shattuck) with blue tarps for roofs.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 25, 2015 01:56 AM (FlRtG)

385 Zombie, let them hit bottom. You will be doing them and yourself a huge favor. They will either learn or not. Your heart may say to bail them out, but in the end, all you're doing is enabling them.
It may seem heartless, but at some time they have to realize the they have to be responsible for the outcome of their own lives.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 25, 2015 01:57 AM (9iR5/)

386 the first pron video i ever saw, at least the first one i remember seeing, had a dude phucing a turkey. Seriously. It was uncooked in case that narrows it down to a sub-genre.
Posted by: jow


where in germany were you

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 01:58 AM (fBkaR)

387 Todayn I started a magnesium fire in class and I poured water on it and it went crazy. Kids loved it but why does that happen?

Posted by: MAx at November 25, 2015 02:00 AM (LAliD)

388 ChemJeff, I encourage you to continue experimenting in the kitchen. Try to enjoy the process whatever the outcome, something was learned.

Posted by: FormerlyMountainTurtle at November 25, 2015 02:01 AM (hipNa)

389 Well since the ONT has turned into all cooking tips and recipes, I'm taking the next two nights off and just posting placeholder ONTs.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 25, 2015 01:37 AM (wqVD1)


Well, Maet - frustrating, eh? At least I tried to follow up on your Adele topic with something similar by Jewel. It got one negative response, yeah! (I usually get none).

Just try to remember: Philadelphia fans are kittens compared to this place.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 25, 2015 02:01 AM (RcpcZ)

390 my addict relatives know not to call me

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 02:02 AM (fBkaR)

391 360 294 Two full nights talking about steak. Good lord.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 01:16 AM (T62aB)

Well since the ONT has turned into all cooking tips and recipes, I'm taking the next two nights off and just posting placeholder ONTs.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 25, 2015 01:37 AM (wqVD1)



From my standpoint, the trend has been to security without cops (gun thread); food without restaurants (cooking steak); self-reliance (auto repair); and prayer. While not echoing the content of the ONTs, it fits like a key in a lock.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 02:02 AM (EzgxV)

392 375 Help: by refusing to enable the self-insufficiency.

Posted by: MAx at November 25, 2015 02:02 AM (LAliD)

393 Posted by: Maetenloch at November 25, 2015 01:37 AM (wqVD1)

I am sorry Maet, I did not mean to minimize your terrific ONT content, I promise I won't talk about cooking steak again on the ONT
Posted by: chemjeff at November 25, 2015 01:48 AM (uZNvH)


Sorry - I didn't mean to sound as passive aggressive as I did. This is a holiday season which means light readership anyway plus I've got things to do. People's interests are where they are so why complain about it.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 25, 2015 02:02 AM (wqVD1)

394 >>where in germany were you
Posted by: Jean

Well was the turkey wearing jodhpurs and boots?

Posted by: Aviator at November 25, 2015 02:03 AM (c7vUv)

395 Recommendations? Help -- or not help?

Posted by: zombie at November 25, 2015 01:46 AM (jBuUi)

If you help...nothing changes, you'll only get more of the same behavior because you've rewarded it.....been there.

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2015 02:03 AM (HtUkt)

396 Recommendations? Help -- or not help?

Posted by: zombie


al-anon.alateen.org

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 25, 2015 02:04 AM (9YDUz)

397 Maetenloch,

Your ONTs provide a jumping off place for ideas. It's why I love this place.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 02:04 AM (lPwBo)

398 387 Is the magnesium fire breaking the H2O molecule apart? How?

Posted by: MAx at November 25, 2015 02:05 AM (LAliD)

399 375 How does one deal with an addict relative?

A very close relative of mine is an addict. (Exactly which kind of an addict will be redacted. But take your pick: drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc.).

One's natural urge is to "help" and "take care of" close family relatives. In direct conflict with that, one's other natural urge is to avoid addicts' endless lies and manipulations to get money, and to just let them "hit bottom" so they get a much-needed cluebat upside the head to set them on the proper road in life.

So here's what has happened:

This relative, through a decades-long endless series of incredibly stupid and shortsighted lifestyle decisions, has found ximself in an extremely terrible and precarious housing situation -- inches away from homelessness.

Ever since this summer, 5 months ago, every time I talked to this relative, I said, "This upcoming winter is going to be very rainy; a massive El Nino is building. You need to arrange for better housing so you don't find yourself still living in that tent/toolshed/abandoned-car/lean-to (again, details redacted for security reasons) when the rains hit. You will be cold, wet and miserable."

I must have said some variation of this a hundred times.

And this relative is eligible for all sorts of subsidized housing -- just so long as xhe has the patience and stick-to-it-iveness to fill out the forms and negotiate the red tape.

But no. For five months (not counting the previous 25 years as well getting into this pickle in the first place), xhe ignored my advice and continued squandering all money and resources on day-to-day hedonism, and never going to any effort to fix up the living situation problem.

So: The rains have started to arrive. Exactly as I and everyone knew and had been predicting since summer. And starting a couple days ago, suddenly -- D'oh! -- this relative is in a panic to find real housing, as if the idea had just struck xim for the first time.

You can guess where this is leading: Now xe is demanding $$$ and is uncorking every juvenile ineffective lie and emotional manipulation and sad attempt at mind-games to finagle the money out of me and other assorted relatives.

My first response is, "What have you been doing these last five months? Ignoring my warnings? Partying the days and nights away like a brain-damaged fool? You need to hit bottom -- it's the only way you will learn the lessons necessary for you to stop being so self-destructive."

My second response is, "Seriously, do you actually think I or anyone else in this family believes one word of your childish lies and tales of woe? You've burned and ripped off everyone you've ever known far far too many times for anyone to ever trust you again. You blew it - sorry."

But my third response, an internal dialogue this time, is, "What kind of heartless sadist would allow a close relative to freeze or starve to death, when you have it in your power to save xeir life? A truly moral person would even save a stranger; so how can you possibly condemn a blood-relative to a miserable life or death when it could so easily be avoided?"

Recommendations? Help -- or not help?

Posted by: zombie at November 25, 2015 01:46 AM (jBuUi)




Stash their stuff in a locked facility -- but not them. It is not impossible to die from exposure in the Bay Area, but it generally takes talent and/or effort.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 02:08 AM (EzgxV)

400 387
Todayn I started a magnesium fire in class and I poured water on it and it went crazy. Kids loved it but why does that happen?

Posted by: MAx at November 25, 2015 02:00 AM (LAliD)
------MAx, don't just don't. You know why that happened, and yes it's spectacular. In a beginning chemistry class in college, we were doing experiments where we separated oxygen and hydrogen from water.We wound up with one extra vial of oxygen. The last step of the experiment was to burn at small strip of magnesium just to see how hot it burned in natural atmosphere. The girl next to me wanted to stick the burning strip of magnesium into the leftover vial of pure oxygen. I smacked her hand...Hard.
She was all pissed off at me until the instructor told her that it would have exploded and would have caused her serious damage.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 25, 2015 02:09 AM (9iR5/)

401 Is the magnesium fire breaking the H2O molecule apart? How?
Posted by: MAx at November 25, 2015 02:05 AM

Ya, Magnesium is reactive with water plus heat speeds the reaction. You can get the same effect with iron if you can get it hot enough. It was the cause of boiler explosions in the olden times when pipes got caked with calcium deposits and the iron got super heated and when the water broke through the calcium deposits big badda boom .

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 02:09 AM (lPwBo)

402 That's a tough one, Zombie. But since all of the help given over the years hasn't really worked, maybe it is now time to try something different, not helping. The person involved will have some new experiences for sure, and maybe something good will come of it. Sometimes people surprise you and themselves and turn out to be much more capable than they appeared. There's a good book titled "Stillpower: Excellence with Ease in Sports and Life" by coach Garret Kramer that talks about helping people by encouraging them to marshall their own strength.

Posted by: Emily at November 25, 2015 02:10 AM (7Rn+/)

403 Mg (s) + 2H2O --> Mg(OH)2 + H2

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 02:12 AM (9mTYi)

404 From my standpoint, the trend has been to security without cops (gun thread); food without restaurants (cooking steak); self-reliance (auto repair); and prayer. While not echoing the content of the ONTs, it fits like a key in a lock.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 02:02 AM (EzgxV)

******

Well, of course you do. Bless your heart......

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 02:12 AM (T62aB)

405 403 It's that H2 that makes things more interesting.

Now, I'm really out.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 02:13 AM (9mTYi)

406 You would think that being in a location where there is magnesium and a heat source you would have an available Fire Extinguisher properly rated to handle metallic fires.

Posted by: buzzion at November 25, 2015 02:15 AM (zt+N6)

407 Cartel members take out peachy muzzies.
Hey hairy fanboys don don't puck with Cartel customers
they don't follow the playbook.




Posted by: Ralph at November 25, 2015 02:15 AM (HXx+D)

408 404 From my standpoint, the trend has been to security without cops (gun thread); food without restaurants (cooking steak); self-reliance (auto repair); and prayer. While not echoing the content of the ONTs, it fits like a key in a lock.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 02:02 AM (EzgxV)

******

Well, of course you do. Bless your heart......

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 02:12 AM (T62aB)



Might you deign to opine on the actual issue, rather than just pissing on a fellow commenter? [*Points at the top of the Headlines column*]

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 02:17 AM (EzgxV)

409 I know this is probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway 'cuz I'm a total ignoramus about chemistry.

We use water to put out fires - by removing the oxygen the fire feeds on.

But, the water has oxygen in it itself. So, why doesn't the oxygen in water burn???

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 02:18 AM (ntObR)

410 That is to say, I know the water removes the oxygen the fire feeds on.

Yet, there's oxygen in the water. That's where I get a bit confused.

A fire marshal co-worker I used to know said, well, water doesn't burn because its oxygen is locked in too tightly to the water molecule. Huh?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 02:19 AM (ntObR)

411 409 I know this is probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway 'cuz I'm a total ignoramus about chemistry.

We use water to put out fires - by removing the oxygen the fire feeds on.

But, the water has oxygen in it itself. So, why doesn't the oxygen in water burn???

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 02:18 AM (ntObR)



Because water is a post explosive reaction product. Just like CO2 is a post combustion reaction product, and we also use that to put out fires and the Oxygen in that doesn't feed the fire either. You aren't getting close enough to the energy required to convert water into its component elements to worry about it being additional fuel to the fire. Also Oxygen doesn't burn. That's what the hydrogen would do.

Posted by: buzzion at November 25, 2015 02:23 AM (zt+N6)

412 We use water to put out fires - by removing the oxygen the fire feeds on.
-----------

The water takes the heat away, and provides some smothering, but mostly takes the heat away.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 02:23 AM (9mTYi)

413 Because the chemical bond in water is generally greater than the heat to break that bond apart. There are several different ways to put out different types of fires, but generally, you want to deprive the fire of oxygen.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 25, 2015 02:24 AM (9iR5/)

414 Qdp - why doesn the hydrogen explode?

Because they are both bound into a molecule whose atomic bonds are stronger than the energy generated by the little fire. Try increasing the heat and changing the pressure, things can change, violently. Its fun, get some warrant officers together and some beer.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2015 02:24 AM (fBkaR)

415 HHmmm Google books has supplied pages from the book "Steam Boiler Explosions" by Zerah Colburn where, beginning on page 31, he says a hydrogen explosion in a steam boiler is not possible.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ndxuh6x

as I am only an amateur, I withdraw my previous statement. Perhaps I need to read the book in its entirety. I'll put it on my 'to do list'.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 02:24 AM (lPwBo)

416 409 I know this is probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway 'cuz I'm a total ignoramus about chemistry.

We use water to put out fires - by removing the oxygen the fire feeds on.

But, the water has oxygen in it itself. So, why doesn't the oxygen in water burn???

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 02:18 AM (ntObR)




The oxygen in water is usually more tightly bound to the hydrogen, so won't react with the burning substance. As noted @403, however, Mg (s) + 2H2O --> Mg(OH)2 + H2 -- magnesium can burn underwater. What's more, it releases hot flammable hydrogen gas as it burns, which can lead to more fun.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 02:25 AM (EzgxV)

417 so how come fish doe not explode after breathing all the oxygen out of the water and exhaling all the hydrogen?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 25, 2015 02:27 AM (vb33c)

418 Might you deign to opine on the actual issue, rather than just pissing on a fellow commenter? [*Points at the top of the Headlines column*]
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 02:17 AM (EzgxV)

*****

Which "issue" did I neglect to comment on to your satisfaction?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 02:27 AM (T62aB)

419 Oxygen in its outer valence shell has six electrons, and hydrogen provides the extra two electrons to complete an eight electron valence shell. A valence shell of eight electrons is so stable that it requires a lot of energy to break it apart. You could theoretically make water burn, but the energy required to do it would be a serious waste of time. And energy.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 25, 2015 02:30 AM (9iR5/)

420 As an aside, one can often see flames from the short upturned pipes of top fuel dragsters. That IS a consequence of the oxygen and hydrogen molecules disassociating and igniting.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 02:31 AM (9mTYi)

421 You could theoretically make water burn, but the energy required to do it would be a serious waste of time. And energy.
Posted by: Old Blue
--------------

A fact which drives the greenies crazy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 25, 2015 02:34 AM (9mTYi)

422 Thanks guys. It makes a bit more sense now.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 02:35 AM (ntObR)

423 If you look at the periodic table of elements, the elements on the right are the most reactive and the elements on the left side are the most stable. What are called the Nobel Gases all have filled outer valence shells which means they don't react very much with anything at all, but if you look at the elements on the left side of the table, they react with damn near everything.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 25, 2015 02:38 AM (9iR5/)

424 elements on the left side of the table, they react with damn near everything.

--
Ya hydrogen combusts in a pure chlorine atmosphere. Which is kinda cool.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 02:40 AM (lPwBo)

425 Oops sorry. The left side is more reactive, the right side is more stable.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 25, 2015 02:40 AM (9iR5/)

426 423 If you look at the periodic table of elements, the elements on the right are the most reactive and the elements on the left side are the most stable. What are called the Nobel Gases all have filled outer valence shells which means they don't react very much with anything at all, but if you look at the elements on the left side of the table, they react with damn near everything.


Posted by: Old Blue at November 25, 2015 02:38 AM (9iR5/)



You're gonna want to reread what you just wrote.

Posted by: buzzion at November 25, 2015 02:40 AM (zt+N6)

427 Old Blue, sort of like lefties and righties. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 02:40 AM (ntObR)

428 elements on the left side are the most stable....the elements on the left side of the table, they react with damn near everything.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 25, 2015 02:38 AM (9iR5/)


huh?

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2015 02:42 AM (HtUkt)

429 Hey, it's almost 3am and alcohol is involved.

It's not like we're building a nuclear reactor.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 02:42 AM (lPwBo)

430 Good night all

Posted by: FormerlyMountainTurtle at November 25, 2015 02:42 AM (hipNa)

431 You're gonna want to reread what you just wrote.
Yeah, thanks Old Dead One, I just did and threw out the disclaimer. I misspoke.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 25, 2015 02:43 AM (9iR5/)

432 Goodnight FMT.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 02:43 AM (ntObR)

433 Though the Fluorine and Chlorine line on the table is pretty reactive too.

Posted by: buzzion at November 25, 2015 02:44 AM (zt+N6)

434 Valence shell. Is that sort of like a coat of armor for the particle?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 02:46 AM (ntObR)

435 Yeah, what Smith the Lesser said. Alcohol is seriously involved. I know what I wanted to say is correct, I just didn't say it right.
Can I haz a Yogi Berra momentz?

Posted by: Old Blue at November 25, 2015 02:46 AM (9iR5/)

436 Ugh. I do this all the time. Fall asleep, wake up, up all nite, tired all day, fall asleep early.

Did watch The Grinder which was pretty good. Take that, Rob Lowe, haters.

Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 25, 2015 02:52 AM (iQIUe)

437 Did Chicago survive the riots?

Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 25, 2015 02:52 AM (iQIUe)

438 No one marched or rioted in Chicago when gangbangers murdered a 9 year old boy in retaliation. Shot him 7x point blank in the chest.

Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 25, 2015 02:54 AM (iQIUe)

439 I cant believe anyone would bitch about raising money for prostrate cancer. I know someone who died on it this year. It was not a slight risk to him.

Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 25, 2015 02:56 AM (iQIUe)

440 Black Lives Matter! (Certain restrictions apply) See label on back for details.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 25, 2015 02:56 AM (WVsWD)

441 Broken Bags of Magnesium Sulfate. Leaky trailer during rain storm.

Sparkly time.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 25, 2015 02:57 AM (WVsWD)

442 Let me guess WW3 just started?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 25, 2015 03:00 AM (WVsWD)

443 That book on steam boiler explosions was published in 1873. I might want to try for something a little more current.

Still, only 130 pages. Should be able to knock that out in a couple of hours or so. Itsa free book. Free is good.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 03:04 AM (lPwBo)

444 If you help...nothing changes, you'll only get more of the same behavior because you've rewarded it.....been there.


Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2015 02:03 AM

Agreed, with a caveat*. With us there was lots of love, lots of emotional patting on the head and "we're so sorry this is horrible", "it really sucks that you're doing this to yourself", etc., and expressing the genuine heartbreak felt along with "let us know what we can do to help"** but that help was limited to food if necessary, references to help when needed, and doing everything we could to ensure he knew any positive step was going to bring us rushing to support it.

Sober 5 years now, he says the general vibe he was "We love you so much and it's killing us to watch this" and apparently brags about us at meetings and the fine line we walked re: treating every new disaster with the love and sympathy you would expect if it were a car accident or sickness but never enabling which is comforting to hear.

More commiserating than answering your question I guess. It sucks balls.

*My sister, a shrink familiar with the whole social services thing, went with him to help set up the kind of help you're talking about. According to him it was more of a surreal reality check experience, the very compassionate but business-like manner in which she helped him "negotiate the paperwork of his separation from productive society" and though he kept at it for a bit was one of those things that left a lasting impression.

**No family of his own to drag through the mud with him made this a whole lot easier.

Posted by: jow at November 25, 2015 03:06 AM (lango)

445 Oh boy. Am learning about the showdown right now between Turkey and Russia. In fact I have a friend who's convinced WW3 is on its way and Jesus will be arriving any minute now.

In the wake of ISIS, France, Turkey, etc etc, will be interesting to see if NATO can still hold together.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 03:08 AM (ntObR)

446 " will be interesting to see if NATO can still hold together."

Highly doubtful. Strongly worded messages and #hastags have replaced Tanks and Artillery as NUTO's main weapons.

Only the Poles have a credible Military at this time. The rest are still worried about buying votes from "immigrants".

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 25, 2015 03:14 AM (WVsWD)

447 Well everybody, thanks for the great chat. Gotta say goodnight.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 25, 2015 03:24 AM (ntObR)

448
Zombie: I'd help them. Being homeless is pretty serious.

Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 25, 2015 03:25 AM (iQIUe)

449 so how come fish doe not explode after breathing all the oxygen out of the water and exhaling all the hydrogen?


How do you know they don't?


I am contemplating my first start to finish ONT. Is that a thing people do?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 03:30 AM (1xUj/)

450 Eh, tomayto, tomahto

Posted by: jow, mixing up his bleach and ammonia to get that tiolet SUPER clean at November 25, 2015 03:34 AM (lango)

451 telegraph.co.uk - russian jet was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds.


Obama says the Russian jet should not have even been anywhere near Turkey because there are no ISIS forces in that area.

Obama says Turkey has the right to defend their airspace as was predicted yesterday.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 03:36 AM (lPwBo)

452 ...and a NATO official says Turkey should have escorted the Russian jet out of Turkish airspace.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 03:40 AM (lPwBo)

453 I am contemplating my first start to finish ONT. Is that a thing people do?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 03:30 AM (1xUj/)

Are you that bored?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 25, 2015 03:40 AM (WVsWD)

454 telegraph.co.uk - russian jet was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds.

Yes, it nicked a corner of Turkey. Best explanation I've read is that Turkey wasn't defending its own airspace as much as it was defending the ethnic Turkmen outside its border, whom the Russians have been bombing.

The part where the Turkmen shot the Russian pilots in their parachutes, however, has put me off "moderate Syrians" forever.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 03:41 AM (1xUj/)

455 Obama needs to shut up now.

Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 25, 2015 03:41 AM (iQIUe)

456 Are you that bored?


No. I'm awake. I don't have to be. I just realized that I'm up late and not tired and I was around for the beginning of the ONT.

I'm considering an entirely pointless achievement for just that reason.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 03:43 AM (1xUj/)

457 The ONT has given me a idea. I'm going to ignore global warming as I don't want to let it think it's bigger than it is or is something important.
Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at November 25, 2015 03:46 AM (KSdzX)

458 On the Global Warming front, Instapundit has a link to a big fight over the Obama administration and possible manipulation of climate data, an investigation by a congressional committee, and outraged scientists who are complaining about having their work questioned by politicians. and government funding of said work by scientist.

Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 25, 2015 03:49 AM (lPwBo)

459 418 Might you deign to opine on the actual issue, rather than just pissing on a fellow commenter? [*Points at the top of the Headlines column*]
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 02:17 AM (EzgxV)

*****

Which "issue" did I neglect to comment on to your satisfaction?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 02:27 AM (T62aB)



I'm real easy. Say anything about anything, besides pissing on people. Say something appreciative about Maet's posts, say something about other comments, say something about my insight about how the other comments play off of Maet's posts without echoing them, say something about how your day went, say something about the sun or the stars, the earth or the moon, the spiritual or the natural......but lay off the pointless snide remarks and personal attacks, that look a helluva lot like: "Well, of course you do. Bless your heart......" You're better than that.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 03:50 AM (EzgxV)

460 I'm considering an entirely pointless achievement for just that reason.

I used to do it all the time. Back when I had a job that kept me up from 10-6.

Voluntarily? Maybe a few times on my day off.

Those were the days ♩ ♪

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 25, 2015 03:51 AM (WVsWD)

461 459 418 Might you deign to opine on the actual issue, rather than just pissing on a fellow commenter? [*Points at the top of the Headlines column*]
Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 02:17 AM (EzgxV)

*****

Which "issue" did I neglect to comment on to your satisfaction?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 25, 2015 02:27 AM (T62aB)



Just thought of another one -- tell us about your daughter's latest accomplishments. We're never so happy to know you as when you're a proud father.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 25, 2015 03:56 AM (EzgxV)

462
In Obama world no piss on campfire. Fire travel up piss stream and explode in bladder. Piss actually be explosive excellence. 13th dimension piss.

Posted by: CHARLIE SHINE at November 25, 2015 04:03 AM (QhZ0N)

463 Meh. Seems more pointless than I thought.

Night Horde.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 04:07 AM (1xUj/)

464 Global warming is nothing but junk science. The governments way to control people. And its un-American.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at November 25, 2015 04:10 AM (1uTkE)

465 I am contemplating my first start to finish ONT. Is that a thing people do?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 25, 2015 03:30 AM (1xUj/)



Are you that bored?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 25, 2015 03:40 AM


yeah, that's usually about the time question my life choices

Posted by: jow, mixing up his bleach and ammonia to get that tiolet SUPER clean at November 25, 2015 04:16 AM (lango)

466 Evening 'rons and 'ette's.
At least I made it in before 500 tonight/this morning.

Before I head off into the darkness of banned home IP I just wanted to wish everyone a thankful Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting on Columbus at November 25, 2015 04:17 AM (4pjhs)

467 That father telling his kid that while the terrorists have guns they had flowers was the most asinine thing I heard.

Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 25, 2015 04:22 AM (iQIUe)

468 Arizona Democratic State SenatorCarlyle Begay announced Monday he is leaving the Democratic Party and becoming a Republican

From Daily Caller.

I didn't find a single link to a national MFM org. running this story in the first 4 pages of googling. O_O. My shocked face.

I remember back when I would have been encouraged that we got a convert. Who knows. Maybe we did (I know exactly and approximately zero about his worldview) but the dude joining the GOPe doesn't, by itself, mean shit.

Posted by: jow, here to help by stating the obvious at November 25, 2015 04:55 AM (lango)

469 Jeez...State Senator. Nevermind.

/Emily Litella

Posted by: jow, here to help by stating the obvious at November 25, 2015 04:57 AM (lango)

470 One Russian flyer reported alive and in the hands of Russian forces; returned to the airbase at Latakia. Second one confirmed KIA.

As for the rationale of the Turks to be ridiculously trigger happy, those rumors about the Erdogan family profiting from illicit oil trading with the Islamic State are hard to dismiss. After Obama failed pathetically at destroying Islamic State oil truck convoys, the Russians arrived and did their customary bang-up job of it, and that has to financially hurt anyone who was wetting their beak.

Massive corruption has been an endemic part of the Turkish "deep state" pretty much since forever, but up till recently, the secularist generals would have put the kibosh on any large scale collaboration with radical Islamists anywhere. Erdogan has quietly gutted the ranks of secularist influence and can now do what he wants.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 25, 2015 05:59 AM (noWW6)

471 G'morning, all.


Funny, I don't feel like I have lead a privileged life.
And I was only 53 when I was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer.


Who knew.....

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 25, 2015 06:24 AM (ptqRm)

472 "It was about 1 inch thick, I put it in a skillet with oil on medium high heat, 4 minutes per side, flipped it 4 times for total of 16 minutes, stupid meat thermometer kept reading 110 degrees even though the outside of it was almost completely black by that point and my kitchen was full of smoke."

Who you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes?

Posted by: Stupid Meat Thermometer at November 25, 2015 06:30 AM (sOhww)

473 "Valence shell. Is that sort of like a coat of armor for the particle?"

Well, it didn't protect Liberty from the guy who shot him.

Posted by: Fred the Science Xir at November 25, 2015 06:41 AM (sOhww)

474 Le NOOD

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 25, 2015 06:42 AM (ptqRm)

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