Gun Thread (11-22-2015)

Larry Correia's Thoughts On Paris

This is a good read. The whole thing is outstanding, but I wanted to focus on this point (emphasis added):

Then I see the idiots claiming that they’re only worried about the quality of the regular people with guns… Liars. But okay, thought experiment time. Say there was a proposed law for a federal “super permit”, where if a regular person could pass a rigorous background check and, oh say, the same firearms qualification as an FBI agent, that individual would then be allowed to carry a gun anywhere in the fifty states a federal agent could, and ignore things like idiotic gun free zones, or could carry a gun in states where concealed carry is banned.

This doesn’t replace state laws. Heck, make the federal super permit really hard to get. Have it require a really high level of proficiency, a big knowledge of use of force laws, and one hell of a tough qualification. Make the applicant foot the bill for everything. And you know what? I bet you within a week we could still provide a million of my people as defense in depth, worst case scenario interrupters, spread all over America, for when bad things happen.

Would these people so worried about our level of training be in favor of this? Of course they wouldn’t. They’d find some other reason to bleat. And murderous assholes will continue to target disarmed populations. Besides, this is just wishful thinking, because any federal program which would empower the general populace would be designed to suck and fail from the get go. Ask any pilot who went through the armed pilot training post 9-11 how easy the feds made that simple,obvious, no brainer program.

Larry is exactly right. When some leftist says he only wants "common sense gun safety laws", you can draw a straight line to confiscation, as there isn't any specific policy proposal short of that at which he'll ever stop.


Ridiculous Talking Point 1


Because Gavin Newsom is sooooo concerned about what's in the best interest of NRA members, Serious You Guys.

And what does this even mean, really? I've been an NRA member for a long, long time, and they're not doing anything now that they weren't 20+ years ago when they were opposing the Clinton "assault weapons" ban, etc.

Also, why would NRA lobbying for the gun industry to be able to continue to sell the products its members purchase be an issue anyway? It's not like we have divergent goals or something. I'm looking hard for a conflict of interest here and not really seeing one.

There's a related dumb talking point about industry funding of NRA that I don't get either. Say I buy a gun from, e.g., S&W and S&W sends a little of that revenue to NRA ...

I. Am. Outraged!!!

Or, actually, not. As a matter of fact, lots of online retailers like MidwayUSA include an option for customers to round their purchase up and send a direct contribution to NRA.

The left's attempt to drive a wedge between NRA and its members via the gun industry is ... interesting.


Ridiculous Talking Point 2


Ummm. Yeah. That's because the criteria for being put on the watch list don't pass the bar for denying someone his basic constitutional rights. As Charles C. W. Cooke explains:

... the question here shouldn’t be “why does the NRA oppose using this list in a civil context?” but “why doesn’t everybody oppose using this list on a civil context?” Whether the New York Daily News likes it or not, the right to keep and bear arms is protected by the U.S. Constitution and cannot be restricted without serious cause. Of course Second Amendment advocates are opposed to the importation of this list into the firearms background check system. They understand well that it cannot be relied upon as a justification for denial. Whatever Everytown and their friends might imply, we are not talking here about selling guns to people who have been convicted in a court of law; that is already illegal. Rather, we are talking about selling guns to people who, as far as the state is concerned, have done nothing wrong and who must not therefore have their liberties abridged. It is an ugly testament to the illiberalism of many modern-day progressives that they are happily lining up on the authoritarian side against not just one, but two of America’s premier civil rights organizations.

Related:

* Alleged pederast Harry Reid's Deputy Chief of Staff beclowns self.

* NRA-ILA statement on dumb terrorist watchlist talking point.


Gun Of The Week

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(answer below)

Marksmanship Award

Homeowner fights off four intruders, KSAT, San Antonio, Texas 11/15/15

A group of four people attempted to break into a home in San Antonio, Texas by removing an air conditioning unit from a window and crawling inside. The homeowner responded to the break-in by retrieving a gun and firing at the intruders, striking and killing one, and causing the others to flee. A knife and a bag, containing a gun and burglary tools, was found next to the body of the deceased intruder.

Pretty sure the two great blunders are "never start a land war in Asia" and "never break into a house in Texas."


Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Beretta Model 12 9mm submachinegun. Maet highlighted it on the ONT a few days ago in a link to a piece about the guns of Parisian law enforcement.


Hickock45 Does A Drive-by


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1 Gavin Newsom's only concern for the past 20 years is coke, booze, and poontang.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 22, 2015 11:31 AM (iQIUe)

2
Christmas tree industry wanted to charge customers more to use for lobbying except it was mandatory and imposed by the gov as a tax.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 22, 2015 11:32 AM (iQIUe)

3 btw:

legal insurrection is an excellent blog on self-defense law, stand your ground and such.

they're also good on those krazy kollege kids and their fascist antics.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 22, 2015 11:34 AM (WTSFk)

4 Wondering if anyone has a experience or comment on 1980 series 1911 slot blank which turns the 80 series into a 70 series. I've thought of getting one but not sure if it is worth the trouble. The part is usually less the 10$.

Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2015 11:36 AM (KSdzX)

5 That Beretta Model 12 is pretty ugly looking.

Here is a Chiara Bashetti model....it's much more attractive.

http://tinyurl.com/pbszzh4
NSFW

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2015 11:36 AM (Zu3d9)

6 What's needed is for gun owners to go on the offensive.

I want to see the ridiculous laws against importation of foreign-manufactured guns eliminated.

And as usual, the GOP is 100% complicit in this fascist shit.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 22, 2015 11:37 AM (u5gzz)

7 Ok. I laughed out loud at the John Deere drive by.
Classic.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 22, 2015 11:38 AM (VAVIJ)

8 Gavin Newsom is a particularly offensive gun-grabber because he refuses to give up his armed security detail and simply abide by the concealed carry laws of California, Which, in San Francisco, are insane.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2015 11:39 AM (Zu3d9)

9 My .442 double range magnum needs a .386 scope barrel on the 20-16 chamber load.

Posted by: Those of us who so enjoy gun threads at November 22, 2015 11:41 AM (yxw0r)

10
The victim of today's terror attack in Gush Etzion. 20-year-old Israeli Hadar Buchris, who passed away after being brutally stabbed in the head by a Palestinian terrorist.

May her memory be a blessing.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 22, 2015 11:46 AM (iQIUe)

11 Skip: 2 acquaintences of mine, who shoot 100's of rounds with a 1911 Colt each week, insist that only the most discerning of 1911 Colt marksmen could identify the difference in trigger quality between the two in a blind test. FWIW.

Posted by: retropox at November 22, 2015 11:48 AM (rSvZ7)

12

David Axelrod on This Week With George Steffanoplis said GOP candidates are more afraid of the NRA than ISIS

Posted by: ThunderB at November 22, 2015 11:49 AM (zOTsN)

13 The statistics would be difficult, if not impossible to compile, but I wonder whether civilian concealed carriers are any more dangerous than cops and other law enforcement folks who are carry concealed.

We hear all of the time (especially in NYC) about cops shooting bystanders and have NDs and losing their weapons.

My experience with civilians who carry is that they are almost fanatical when it comes to safety. Obviously that is anecdotal, but.....I'll bet that civilians are as safe, if not safer than cops.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2015 11:50 AM (Zu3d9)

14 Not kidding, who is Gavin Newsom?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 22, 2015 11:53 AM (OWndX)

15 A mayor?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 22, 2015 11:53 AM (OWndX)

16 >>> I laughed out loud at the John Deere drive by.

Farming ain't for sissies.

Posted by: fluffy at November 22, 2015 11:54 AM (AfsKp)

17 I declare Hickock45 guilty of #HavingFunWithaGunWhileWhite. DISARM HIm!

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 22, 2015 11:55 AM (Kucy5)

18 Took Eldest Kidlet to the range for her first time shooting ever. People on the FaceBook page saw the result (nothing outside the 9-ring at three yards). We need to work on her wrists though as the gun was jamming at every shot for a while, although we got it up to only every third shot after a bit.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 22, 2015 11:55 AM (GDulk)

19 Gavin Newsom is anti gun Lt Gov of californication

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 11:56 AM (RLQdU)

20 Who is Gavin Newsom? Just dont introduce him to your wife. He's an addict and a liar. He told this bs story about how he grew up poor which was ridiculous. He was banging his best friends wife.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 22, 2015 11:57 AM (iQIUe)

21 I'm sure bringing in more "refugees" wont be a problem...

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/219541/

Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2015 11:57 AM (8HTq1)

22 14 Not kidding, who is Gavin Newsom?
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 22, 2015 11:53 AM (OWndX)


I read a story awhile ago where he became POTUS following a nuclear attack.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2015 11:57 AM (sdi6R)

23 Larry's commentary is spot on, because gun grabbers are not arguing in good faith. That's why I will never meet in the middle on a gun issue. AWB tought us this.

And this terrorist watchlist "loophole"? How stupid do you have to be? They just love trying to wedge us on things they think they should be able to gotcha with. This won't work.

And, frankly, politicians should be afraid of the NRA.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 11:58 AM (rC6aw)

24 He was married to Guillfoyle or how ever you spell her name.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 22, 2015 11:58 AM (iQIUe)

25 Read "The History of The Second Amendment".

Link in nic.

Very long, but interesting background with a bazillion references that lays to waste any argument that the 2nd isn't all about an individual's rights.

Posted by: Read "The History of the 2nd Amendment" at November 22, 2015 12:00 PM (+GH2F)

26 Newsome was the Mayor of San Fagsisco who decided to legalize gay marriage before everyone else got on board.

Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2015 12:00 PM (8HTq1)

27 I love Hickok45's videos. He has so much fun on his little piece of Tennessee.

When I buy my final house, one of the must-haves will be a range like his.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 12:03 PM (rC6aw)

28
Newsom's current wife use to be a scientologist. May still be one.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 22, 2015 12:04 PM (iQIUe)

29 23
And this terrorist watchlist "loophole"? How stupid do you have to be?

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 11:58 AM (rC6aw)



Yeah, because a government bureaucrat puts me on a "list" I should lose my rights? Bzzt. Wrong. Try again.

The Nazis were pretty adept at that, as I recall.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2015 12:06 PM (sdi6R)

30 the priority besides fending off any more ineffective registration or restriction laws, is to demand that a CCW license in any state is valid in any other state.

Just like all other such licenses and such are recognized.

A gun owner that has passed all the scrutiny involved with securing their rights to carry a firearm under all conditions anywhere anytime should not have to worry about which particular state they happen to find themselves in.

I recognize this is tall mountain to climb in certain states but it will highlight the unfairness and the unconstitutionality of most gun laws.

And that needs to be said continually in the face of the lies and the constant anti-gun propaganda spewed out by the Media 24/7.

The first stage is to have all states allow concealed carry including DC and for the requirements to be uniform and sensible and within reason cost wise.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 22, 2015 12:06 PM (Xo1Rt)

31 Or y'all could move to Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 22, 2015 12:06 PM (Xo1Rt)

32 Gun thread question:

I have a U.S. Springfield model 1884 45-70 that "made" a fire pin retaining spring for, after removing a "spike" one of my gun grabby ancestors tried to ruin the rifle with. The rifle shoots great now, but I can't seem to make proper adjustments to zero. It continues to shoot about a foot low, and a foot to the left. I use Kentucky wind agents keep it on target, so it shoots straight, just "off". Any ideas?

Thanks!

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:07 PM (RLQdU)

33 I recall someone on the gun thread being knowledgeable about the process of getting registered to own/carry a gun in Massachusetts. Can someone help me out with who it was, or some other kind of trustworthy resource for MA?

I'm thinking its time for me to move forward on this, what with Obama threatening to dedicate his last year in office to making it even more difficult, but I would rather have a better guide to the process than simply googling it.

Thanks!

Posted by: cool breeze at November 22, 2015 12:07 PM (6Cu7i)

34 That I "made" a firing pin retaining spring for...

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:08 PM (RLQdU)

35 Hell, I think people under a restraining order shouldn't lose their rights, either. But at least there's a judge involved.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 12:08 PM (rC6aw)

36 Windage, not wind agents. Crappin auto cucumber!

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:08 PM (RLQdU)

37 the laws they're trying to enact about adding mental illness to the reporting list of the NCIC as far as allowed persons is also a trojan horse.

If they can get it worded correctly, they'll be able (in some states) to get thousands of folks rights removed by being classified as being "at risk" somehow.

This, btw, is how the USSR treated it's dissidents; they'd declare them mentally ill and force them into hospitals and on psych drugs so that they'd lose their homes, their families and eventually actually lose their minds.

The gulags were another part of that game.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 22, 2015 12:10 PM (Xo1Rt)

38 36 Windage, not wind agents. Crappin auto cucumber!
Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:08 PM (RLQdU)


There's your problem. You used a full auto cucumber.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2015 12:11 PM (sdi6R)

39 Whenever a liberal whines about "sensible" or "common sense" gun laws, it's guaranteed that they want to limit someone's rights to a gun and that they're lying as to their goals.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 22, 2015 12:11 PM (Xo1Rt)

40 You guys (and gals) know stuff.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 22, 2015 12:11 PM (OWndX)

41 Windage, not wind agents. Crappin auto cucumber!

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:08 PM (RLQdU)

Ha! First thought you might have meant Agents Beam and Daniels.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 22, 2015 12:11 PM (JO9+V)

42 What model trapdoor and have the sights been modified?

Better, is it long, short, and what sort of rear sight does it have?

Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2015 12:11 PM (q2o38)

43 "He was banging his best friends wife."

That is a truth, and a complete disgrace. An abdication of every moral norm.
I hope he dies friendless.

Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2015 12:12 PM (ETxiG)

44 It is a US military issue, long barrel, with the extra elevation rear sights (proper name? duknow?) front sight is a fixed post, elongated. It has an old armorers number burned onto the butt stock... Don't know much about it, except that it is a family heirloom.

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:15 PM (RLQdU)

45 Posted by: cool breeze at November 22, 2015 12:07 PM (6Cu7i)

I believe that the proprietor of this gun thread is a resident of the Bay State!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2015 12:15 PM (Zu3d9)

46
Andy, this is for you:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/29735d1251946202-douchebags-gym-carrell.gif

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 22, 2015 12:15 PM (Sw83N)

47 If you aren't prepared to own guns illegally, it's best just to sell them now and avoid the rush.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 22, 2015 12:15 PM (u5gzz)

48 Goodbye, my leetle friend.

Posted by: Caitlyn Montana at November 22, 2015 12:16 PM (xU0ng)

49 happiness is going to the gun shop to pick up a new gun, and having them remind you about the 1903 you put on lay away back in August...

and doing this after a morning of skeet clays, after which you put a Remington Model 10 on lay away, at the range where they're having a Black Fryday sale that Resident Evil says we HAVE to hit up.

po' me.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 22, 2015 12:17 PM (YBR3Y)

50 Carly Simon said that 'You're So Vain' was about Warren Beatty because Gavin Newsom was still in diapers when the song came out.

But had she known him, the song would have been many verses longer. That prick doesn't say a word unless it's focus grouped.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 22, 2015 12:19 PM (BZAd3)

51 One of the reasons the tide has turned a bit on owning guns and CCW is older people are getting scared because of this criminal Admin's importation of .. criminals from other countries.

They're crimes are adding up and they dominate the stats.

When people get older they start to realize that they can't defend themselves as well as they thought and now that that threat seems to be growing, one way to protect themselves is with a weapon.

God made man but Colt made them equal.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 22, 2015 12:19 PM (Xo1Rt)

52 I gotta check on this gun store and what they want for a lay a way.

I've got this itch . .

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 22, 2015 12:21 PM (Xo1Rt)

53 How do I put "link in name"? anyone?

Posted by: retropox at November 22, 2015 12:21 PM (rSvZ7)

54 37 the laws they're trying to enact about adding mental illness to the reporting list of the NCIC as far as allowed persons is also a trojan horse.

If they can get it worded correctly, they'll be able (in some states) to get thousands of folks rights removed by being classified as being "at risk" somehow.

This, btw, is how the USSR treated it's dissidents; they'd declare them mentally ill and force them into hospitals and on psych drugs so that they'd lose their homes, their families and eventually actually lose their minds.

The gulags were another part of that game.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 22, 2015 12:10 PM (Xo1Rt)



This x1000. That's where they're going next. Bet on it.

The only "permit" we need is the 2nd Amendment. Everything after that is an infringement.

The way to stop a crazy person with a gun is with a sane person with a gun.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2015 12:23 PM (sdi6R)

55 Put the web address in the box marked "URL" just above the comment box.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 22, 2015 12:23 PM (GDulk)

56 One thing I'm seeing visiting Chicago is I don't know how you could go about your daily life while carrying. Those no-gun signs are everywhere.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 12:25 PM (rC6aw)

57 ok...here goes...

Posted by: retropox at November 22, 2015 12:25 PM (rSvZ7)

58
I am an absolutist on the 2nd amendment just as much as free speech in the 1st amendment. I do not get why there are restrictions at all on non-incarcerated people.

Parolees don't lose their right to free speech. Some people will say "but guns are different", the same things the gun control people say.

Move the overton window way to the side of liberty I say.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2015 12:26 PM (ODxAs)

59 #9 Are you using XTP bullets over Pyrodex or PDX over Triple7Seven?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 22, 2015 12:26 PM (Kucy5)

60 type it in the url, retro.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2015 12:28 PM (ODxAs)

61 #32 Try turning the a skosh to the right in the receiver. It may be threaded in too tight.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 22, 2015 12:29 PM (Kucy5)

62
ahh..answered, pays to read the whole thread sometimes.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2015 12:29 PM (ODxAs)

63 If the FBI has a terrorist watch list I suggest they be required to provide that list to gunowners.

Posted by: se pa moron - call it what it is, treason at November 22, 2015 12:29 PM (7v/r5)

64 Just wondering... could it be said the anti-gun movement started 52 years ago today?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 22, 2015 12:31 PM (Dj0WE)

65 Thanks, polliwog. Can't tell if it worked, because as usual... clicking anything on this page crashes Safari on an iPad. Most "link in name" here cause the ipad to vomit and fold up, but not always.

Posted by: retropox at November 22, 2015 12:31 PM (rSvZ7)

66 Hello, Gum Thread. Ironically, sitting here watching JFK docu' about the shooting.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 22, 2015 12:31 PM (0xLZu)

67 I mentioned this during the week, but picked up one of those ridiculously expensive Surefire XC1's and I definitely think this makes a weapons light on your CCW viable.

Just waiting on holsters now, but definitely going to buy a second so I can have them always on the Glock 19 and 30.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 12:32 PM (rC6aw)

68 #32 the elevation may be on account of underpowered factory ammo. Try different brands to see but stay away from the heavy big game loads in the Sprtingfield less'n you like shrapnel.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 22, 2015 12:32 PM (Kucy5)

69 Those no-gun signs are everywhere.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 12:25 PM (rC6aw)


Depends on the case. Either 1) just ignore them, or 2) don't patronize that establishment.

Posted by: Read "The History of the 2nd Amendment" at November 22, 2015 12:33 PM (+GH2F)

70 Posted by: retropox at November 22, 2015 12:25 PM (rSvZ7)

Yes, exactly like that. I've heard there are a couple of sites Pixy doesn't play well with even as a nic-link, but most things work.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 22, 2015 12:34 PM (GDulk)

71 #61 turning the BARREL...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 22, 2015 12:34 PM (Kucy5)

72 #61
The rear sight, when it's flipped up, has one screw going down, into the barrel. It apparently holds the sight in place. On the rear of the lower part of the flip up sight is a thumb screw that makes the whole rear sight pivot on the screw that holds the sight onto the barrel. The tiniest twist of that thumbscrew throws the sight way the hell off?! Just have t been able to find a "sweet spot" that zeros in this awesome old trapdoor...could that thumbscrew be worn out? It doesn't seem to have any "play" in it, but it's easy to turn the thumbscrew...

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:34 PM (RLQdU)

73 Thanks again, Polli.

If I "open in new tab"... it works. "Click here to crash" otherwise.

Posted by: retropox at November 22, 2015 12:37 PM (rSvZ7)

74 I am an absolutist on the 2nd amendment just as much as free speech in the 1st amendment. I do not get why there are restrictions at all on non-incarcerated people.

Parolees don't lose their right to free speech. Some people will say "but guns are different", the same things the gun control people say.

Move the overton window way to the side of liberty I say.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2015 12:26 PM (ODxAs)


Yeah, I agree completely. The one I tend to say that gets a strong emotional reaction from lots of people is how many of our sex-offender restrictions are unconstitutional.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 22, 2015 12:38 PM (Dj0WE)

75
The model of your rifle should be on the trapdoor, right by the hinge

not sure what do do about the shooting low, you may have to adjust your hold on that one, but the rear sight is adjustable for side to side. It should be one of the Allin sights and has two knobs on the right side.

One is a tightener for the volley sight, you flip the ladder up and it gives you yardage out to 1400 yards volley firing as you slide it up, you have to tighten it or it slips down again. It is the knob at the top of the ladder

The other knob is a vernier for the windage, it will incrementally swivel the rear sight. That gives you windage right and left
It only swivels a little ways with the ladder sights down, but much more with the ladder site up - where you need more windage.
It may be that yours is slightly warped or it is misaligned, or got jogged at some point. If the vernier does not turn try some penetrating oil and patience
In extremis, replacements are available for the the right amount of cash.

I always suggest using black powder for your 45-70 because the nitro powder is too much for the old steel, and the other substitutes tend to be sharper shock than BP. I also feel the newer powders, including the black powder substitutes, don't have the same ballistics.
(that is my personal opinion, so don't beat me for it)

Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2015 12:38 PM (q2o38)

76 That M12 is rather fugly but it gets the job done apparently.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 22, 2015 12:39 PM (kpqmD)

77 Hickock45 is awesome...loved the tractor.

Anytime your hear "common sense" gun control think of the Khmer Rouge.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 22, 2015 12:40 PM (ej1L0)

78
It's time for Politics-Football-Elbows-Food-Civil War History, no?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 22, 2015 12:40 PM (Sw83N)

79 The left would hold the average American Joe to harsher standards re: gun permits than the average Syrian refugee re: admittance to US.

No way to refusing the ME refugees. IT'S A RIGHT.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at November 22, 2015 12:40 PM (48QDY)

80 #68
Thank you Richard mcenroe, yes, I use a PMC Ammunition, 495 grain lead flat point that is weapon specific, 1250fps...supposedly "faithfully reproduced to match official US military cartridges from 1873 to 1892... Or so the box claims.

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:41 PM (RLQdU)

81 79 The left would hold the average American Joe to harsher standards re: gun permits than the average Syrian refugee re: admittance to US.

No way to refusing the ME refugees. IT'S A RIGHT.
Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at November 22, 2015 12:40 PM (48QDY)

It's in the Open Borders Clause.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 22, 2015 12:41 PM (kpqmD)

82 I fired an uzi when training with a sister unit in the Bundeswehr. Surprised about the lack of recoil and accuracy.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at November 22, 2015 12:42 PM (qtOME)

83 Got a new baby in the house. My CMP Garand and a bunch of the Greek surplus ammo arrived Thursday. This is a 'luck of the draw' service grade rifle and I hit the jackpot. It has a new walnut stock and what appears to be an unissued barrel on a 1955 Springfield Armory receiver. I see a lot of new modern guns that aren't this nice. Once I got the feel for it (it's VERY different from my old bolt action military surplus guns) I started getting under inch and a half groups at 50 yards. Pretty good for me. With more practice and careful handloads, those groups should shrink. Can't wait to try it at 100 and 200 yards.

Considering over half my rifle shooting is with muzzleloaders, mainly flintlocks, this will take some getting used to.

Posted by: JTB at November 22, 2015 12:42 PM (FvdPb)

84 When gums are outlawed, only outlaws will have gums.

Posted by: Hillary's dentures at November 22, 2015 12:43 PM (xU0ng)

85 The Second Amendment is the ultimate check and balance in the check and balance system: it provides the populace with a check against overweening government, and a balance against government power.


That's why the leftists want it gelded. Without it, people like Obongo would be running buck wild, but they know if they do that that ultimately they could trigger (SWIDT?) armed resistance.


Proof positive that that's the motivation of the leftists? Whom do they want to disarm? Law-abiding taxpayers who obtain their guns legally, register them, and are largely white. Whom do they NEVER mention in this context? Denizens of the ghetto, who often obtain their guns illegally, who generally don't register them, and are the demographic where the vast majority of gun violence actually takes place.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 22, 2015 12:43 PM (oKE6c)

86 Posted by: JTB at November 22, 2015 12:42 PM (FvdPb)


Congrats on the Garand! Those are a lot of fun.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 22, 2015 12:43 PM (kpqmD)

87 79 The left would hold the average American Joe to harsher standards re: gun permits than the average Syrian refugee re: admittance to US.

No way to refusing the ME refugees. IT'S A RIGHT.
Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at November 22, 2015 12:40 PM (48QDY)


Brilliant comment.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2015 12:44 PM (sdi6R)

88 Viva los El Beaus.

Posted by: Jeb at November 22, 2015 12:44 PM (xU0ng)

89 Wouldn't the NRA lobbying for the gun industry be similar to AARP lobbying for O'Buma care?

Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2015 12:44 PM (KSdzX)

90 72....


Good odds the spring under the rear sight that tensions it against said thumbscrew is what's worn out. Leaf springs have been known to go wonkly after a century or so, right?

If the front sight is set into a lateral dovetail cut in the barrel, you can drift the sight in the opposite direction of the desired impact. Use a non-marring brass punch, and medium weight hammer or mallet. Wee bit of drift, 1/16th inch or so, makes a hell of a difference out at 100 yards.

And if you're still hitting high, and the rear sight fixes don't work, you can carefully, slowly, file down the front sight, which will raise the point of impact. Do this only 2 or 3 file strokes at a time, then test fire a 3 shot group. You'll be amazed at how little metal has to be removed to effect the adjustment. And, you cannot put metal back onto the sight, so proceed slowly and cautiously.

Of course, if the rifle is a pristine, historic collectible, then forget everything I've just said, and get it into the hands of a qualified gunsmith who specializes in antique rifles.

Oh, and before you jack with the sights, you can also practice with some lighter projectiles, and see if they help at least with the elevation aspect of the problem.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


P.S. Which cob do I gotta ask for permission to post a good NIB O/U, matched 2 bbl. set (12 & 20) ga.? I'll hold all other details & price unless/until permission is obtained. Otherwise, any COB who wishes may strike this inquiry if it's determined to be out of line.

Posted by: Jim at November 22, 2015 12:44 PM (McRlu)

91 Thanks Kindltot! Great info. I understand completely, and now have a much better understanding of this sight system. I think I'm using the right ammo...did you read #80?

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:45 PM (RLQdU)

92
Yeah, I agree completely. The one I tend to say that gets a strong emotional reaction from lots of people is how many of our sex-offender restrictions are unconstitutional.

I don't think pedos or rapists should ever get out of jail, so that solves it for me.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2015 12:45 PM (ODxAs)

93 Cars are considerably more dangerous than guns. But let's go ahead and pretend they aren't.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 12:45 PM (rC6aw)

94 Yes, congrats on the new baby, JTB.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 22, 2015 12:46 PM (0xLZu)

95 Hoo, hoo, hoo. Pellegrino.

Posted by: Jeb at November 22, 2015 12:46 PM (xU0ng)

96 Any thoughts from the horde on daily carry piece.
I'm leaning toward a .357 mag, 5-shot DAO revolver.
Don't like autos as they always seem to jam on me.
Besides, if 5 shots from a .357 magnum won't extricate you from your situation, I don't see how 17 or so will be any better
I'm in AZ so I can conceal or not, as I wish, with or without a license.
Has to reasonable. I'm poor. Thinking Ruger.

Posted by: Thanatopsist at November 22, 2015 12:47 PM (roiwa)

97 82 I fired an uzi when training with a sister unit in the Bundeswehr. Surprised about the lack of recoil and accuracy.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at November 22, 2015 12:42 PM (qtOME)

I got to handle a full-auto Uzi a few years ago. It was cool but I was surprised by how clunky it felt, and the relatively low cycle rate.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 22, 2015 12:47 PM (kpqmD)

98 We're going to run out of CMP Garands eventually. I don't need one, but damnit, I don't want to not be able to get one.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 12:47 PM (rC6aw)

99
BurtTC, based on a lazy and partial knowledge of the topic, I'd say a better artificial "starting point" for the gun control movement was 1968. RFK and MLK.

Odd, never thought of it til this moment, but the political mechanics of "gun control" in 1968 should not have worked, it seems. These days, logically, disruptions unrest and black swan events expand the gun market and (apparently) have pushed gun control even further into a corner, excepting a few states. 200Eight financial "crisis", election of ridiculous fringe president, etc.

1968, by today's apparent political mechanics, should have made the Gun Control Act of that year politically infeasible.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 22, 2015 12:48 PM (QDnY+)

100 #90
Jim! More great info! Yes, it's pristine and all original, including bayonet, which is rust free and still has original bluing. As for a lighter load, any suggestions? This 405 grain flat point is a monster!
Thank you, one and all!

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:49 PM (RLQdU)

101 "they've gone from repping their members 2 serving as lobbyists for gun industry" I am an NRA member _precisely_ because they are lobbyists for gun ownership rights. We need fierce take-no-prisoners any-means-necessary lobbyists to continually fight the dirty political battles to protect the second amendment, because the slimy sleazy lying gun-grabbers are never ever going to give up. Rest assured, Mr. Newsom, that the NRA most definitely represents _me_.

Posted by: gp at November 22, 2015 12:51 PM (mk9aG)

102 96 Any thoughts from the horde on daily carry piece.
I'm leaning toward a .357 mag, 5-shot DAO revolver.
Don't like autos as they always seem to jam on me.
Besides, if 5 shots from a .357 magnum won't extricate you from your situation, I don't see how 17 or so will be any better
I'm in AZ so I can conceal or not, as I wish, with or without a license.
Has to reasonable. I'm poor. Thinking Ruger.
Posted by: Thanatopsist at November 22, 2015 12:47 PM (roiwa)

If you have >1 assailant to deal with, you're going to wish you had more than 5 rounds.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 22, 2015 12:54 PM (kpqmD)

103 BurtTC, based on a lazy and partial knowledge of the topic, I'd say a better artificial "starting point" for the gun control movement was 1968. RFK and MLK.

Odd, never thought of it til this moment, but the political mechanics of "gun control" in 1968 should not have worked, it seems. These days, logically, disruptions unrest and black swan events expand the gun market and (apparently) have pushed gun control even further into a corner, excepting a few states. 200Eight financial "crisis", election of ridiculous fringe president, etc.

1968, by today's apparent political mechanics, should have made the Gun Control Act of that year politically infeasible.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 22, 2015 12:48 PM (QDnY+)


I assume you are correct, that the mechanisms started moving in 1968, but what I don't know is how much people during that year were essentially saying "oh no, not again, we've got to DO something!"


I think whatever the cause, that's the emotional reaction that allows leftists and would-be dictators (BRM) to start to implement their "do-something" ideas.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 22, 2015 12:56 PM (Dj0WE)

104 NRA has their easy pay life program, which spreads out the cost over three years. It's a good investment, IMO. Also keep an eye on Cabela's for NRA weekends where they sell life memberships for $500.

Ultimately, I was happy to give them $1,000 for my life membership.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 12:56 PM (rC6aw)

105 @ 96, Thanatopsist


If you're going with the Ruger SP-101 in .357 Mag, it's an unpleasant but manageable proposition. I do recommend carrying it loaded with .38 Spl. +P ammo, as the recoil is substantially less, the velocity not terribly less, and your shot to shot follow up, appreciably faster.

As well as not being so flinch-inducing in practice sessions.

But if you're going for the Ruger LCR in .357 Mag? Forget about it. It's like holding a grenade in your hand, and throwing the pin at the enemy while the grenade goes off with you still holding it. Unpleasant recoil, to the point of being absolutely unmanageable for most.

Here, the .38 Spl. +P is, in my humble opinion, the absolute hottest useable round for the gun.

You've got to be able to hit, and you've got to be able to hit with most, if not all five rounds. Massive, sharp recoil with attendant muzzle blast and flash, do not help with accuracy or speed.

I've no problem with either gun, both are fine pieces. But, practice your way up the power scale, starting with standard pressure and velocity .38 Special ammo.

You'll know when you've reached the "enough" point. Which none of us can tell you, but only you'll know when you've hit that point.

Then practice and keep practicing, and practice some more. Just cause it's a "J" frame size gun, doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to chew the X ring out of a B-27 target at 7 to 10 yards, firing double action at a rate of at least one round per second, and getting faster with practice.

When you get the accuracy down pat, then you can move on to IDPA type action shooting, and further refine your skills.

Snubbies are still deadly accurate. Just a shorter sight radius and smaller grip, make 'em hard to shoot well. But, they can be, and often are shot very well indeed.

Just. Takes. Practice.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 22, 2015 12:57 PM (McRlu)

106
Thanatopist, you couldn't go wrong with a Ruger SP101 snub DAO, produced right there in your state, probably. Don't own one, but familiar with it. Also Taurus' offerings in 38/357 snubs are inexpensive and, when they are bug-free, perfectly reliable (I add that because there seem to be initial/production QA issues at Taurus that they stupidly do not get around to fixing, preferring to have a whole second business in returns/repairs, but my purely second-hand anecdotal data base shows Taurus revolvers to be quite decent).

JTB, nice score. And I will never understand 1.5 inch groups from an M1, with peep sights. I'm not a bad shot but that simply is not something I can do. Nor do I care much, as my goal is to be able to use such rifles within their original design parameters - i.e. as service rifles capable of easily hitting man-sized targets at normal combat ranges.

And chupacabra, my advice is "get one". There's a current long thread on the CMP forums on the venerable topic of "how many Garands are left?" with, as usual, no firm answers. Seems the general statements of CMP managing directors ("about two years' worth at current order rates") is all there ever is to go on. I've got two but really really think I should get one more, maybe even a service grade special, before the main stock runs out.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 22, 2015 12:57 PM (QDnY+)

107 I don't think pedos or rapists should ever get out of jail, so that solves it for me.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2015 12:45 PM (ODxAs)


Well, I suppose you COULD argue for tougher sentencing, but until that happens, there are plenty of these folks walking around, and they are treated as second-class citizens. Which, last time I checked, wasn't something provided for in the Constitution.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 22, 2015 12:58 PM (Dj0WE)

108 @4 Skip

"Wondering if anyone has a experience or comment on 1980 series 1911 slot blank which turns the 80 series into a 70 series."

Don't know, but the M1911 Colt 80 series was my first purchase 25 years ago and still my favorite.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at November 22, 2015 12:59 PM (qtOME)

109 Elbows thread is up

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 22, 2015 12:59 PM (xNYi9)

110 #104
I feel guilty when I realize I got my life membership to the NRA for $300... It was a deal they offered back in 2012. I try to get all I meet to join as well, maybe that will offset the super low cost of mine one day.

Posted by: The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope at November 22, 2015 12:59 PM (RLQdU)

111 yeah, read your post. The stated loading for military ball was 45 caliber, 70 grains back powder, 405 grain soft lead bullet, and it should be greased.
Anything that matches that should work like OEM

I load my own because when I started I couldn't find suitable ammo that I trusted.

You need a new nick, yours is too long and indefinite to reply to, TRRBMTWJ!arpg.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2015 01:00 PM (q2o38)

112 Nah. Muzzle flash from a 2 -3 in barrel will frighten/intimidate les autres.

Posted by: Thanatopsist at November 22, 2015 01:00 PM (roiwa)

113 BurtTC, I think the "we've gotta do SOMETHING" illogic was exactly the motive force in 1968. Was alive, but too young to have appreciated that level of detail at the time.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 22, 2015 01:01 PM (QDnY+)

114 Back in 2009, it was apparently possible to buy a Garand from the CMP that was put into storage immediately after manufacture and never fired, except for the proofing tests.

Or so I'm told.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2015 01:03 PM (sdi6R)

115 @97 Insomniac

"It was cool but I was surprised by how clunky it felt, and the relatively low cycle rate."


True. The one I was firing was a clunker due to the years in the field, but Israeli made and the German soldiers said it was reliable. I think they went with the uzi over the HK MP5 due to budget restraints.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at November 22, 2015 01:05 PM (qtOME)

116 98 ... Chup,
The idea to get one actually came from Mrs. JTB. She knew the current supply of decent ones won't last forever. Boy, did I ever marry right!

Posted by: JTB at November 22, 2015 01:06 PM (FvdPb)

117
Thanatopist, want to echo every word of Jim's comment above.

Speer makes a short-barrel 38spl Gold Dot round that has tremendous performance, and is far easier to shoot accurately than a full-house .357 of any design.

One more gun you might keep your eyes open for would be a Smith Model 36. As you are in AZ, you might be able to buy one online out-of-state for a decent price. Even in CA one sees them up for sale periodically in the range of a Taurus snubbie - $350-400.

Because of greater mass lending stability and facilitating control, your best combo would be an all-steel.357 (not an alloy gun) loaded with the Speer 38 short-barrel ammo. I have such a combo (don't carry, but practice with it), and it's very easy to shoot well.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 22, 2015 01:07 PM (QDnY+)

118 I've small hands, but I've shot .357s and like them. +P sounds good. Any thoughts on grip laser sights? Always liked the thought that the red dot is where the round goes. Sight-plane bedamned. Do they work?

Posted by: Thanatopsist at November 22, 2015 01:08 PM (roiwa)

119 Semi-auto jamming is usually the result of limp wristing. It may be worthwhile to look into that vs. locking yourself into a revolver for defense.

Capacity can be overrated, but there's a lot to be said for having the option. Like many things, I'd rather have too many bullets than too few.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 01:08 PM (rC6aw)

120 "Any thoughts from the horde on daily carry piece." My P-3AT will be here any day now. I've looked at a lot of subcompacts and snubbies, and the Kel-Tec is among the few that is truly concealable for me. Cheap too. I don't want to carry an expensive gun, since it will get confiscated if I ever have a DGU. The Ruger LCP, which is essentially a copy of the P-3AT with a slide-stop added, costs twice as much, for no good reason. As much as I admire the LCR 357, it's too big, way too expensive, and slower to reload than a semi-auto. I'm not knocking Ruger; I love my 77/22 and my Standard 22 pistol.

Posted by: gp at November 22, 2015 01:08 PM (mk9aG)

121 There's a related dumb talking point about industry funding of NRA that I
don't get either. Say I buy a gun from, e.g., SW and SW sends
a little of that revenue to NRA ...


I'm a lot more outraged when my cable bill gets sent to people to spout a message I hate.

Or, worse than all that, when taxes are taken from me and get sent to push shit like #BLM and to sue for tranny bathrooms in Bumfuck, ID or build left-wing networks to subvert free elections and free speech.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 22, 2015 01:08 PM (oVJmc)

122 If you're depending on muzzle flash to "intimidate", well, you're doing it wrong.

In that case, I'd advise an 1851 Colt Navy reproduction, with just wadding to hold the powder in, no projectiles.

Awesome blast, flash and smoke, ought to work every time, right? No?

Yeah, lead on target is what's needed. And by time they even "recognize" that muzzle blast, the round has either hit, or missed.

And if you're advocating "muzzle blast" as a deterrent, rather than an eleven-hundred feet-per-second impact of a 125 gr., .36 diameter, hollow pointed projectile as the persuasive device, well, in your case, I'd wager a miss, anyway.

In which case you should carry an IMI Desert Eagle in .50 Action Express. You still won't hit a damn thing, but you'll make one hell of an impression, missing in fine, loud and muzzle blasty style.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 22, 2015 01:08 PM (McRlu)

123 Ultimately, I was happy to give them $1,000 for my life membership.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 12:56 PM
---------------------

I think the price is going up to $1500 in Jan.
I'm guessing they will occasionally have special deals on it.

Posted by: irright at November 22, 2015 01:10 PM (DtNNC)

124 Kindltot,
I appreciate the suggestion. I a newb bewb, in that I rarely post, but read almost every thread, every day. I put some thought into this nic, and hope it's easier. I tried my best, even googled TRRBMTW!arpg, but am clueless! Please help a brutha out.

Posted by: Palmetto pal at November 22, 2015 01:10 PM (RLQdU)

125 A lot of people swear by lasers for defense, and I don't think they're wrong, especially since bad things happen in the dark, and whatever you can do to assist that is beneficial.

Personally, I prefer lights to lasers but neither is a bad option if you've got the spare cash for them.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 01:11 PM (rC6aw)

126 Alleged pederast Harry Reid's Deputy Chief of Staff beclowns self.

Yep. We're clowns alright
And yet, I'm still running this place...



Suck it.

Posted by: Sen. H. Reid, (minority) Majority Leader at November 22, 2015 01:12 PM (zUvT8)

127 Oh, almost forgot to add...

KOCH BROTHERS!!!1!11!!

Posted by: Sen. H. Reid, (minority) Majority Leader at November 22, 2015 01:14 PM (zUvT8)

128 I appreciate the suggestion. I a newb bewb, in that
I rarely post, but read almost every thread, every day. I put some
thought into this nic, and hope it's easier. I tried my best, even
googled TRRBMTW!arpg, but am clueless! Please help a brutha out.
Posted by: Palmetto pal at November 22, 2015 01:10 PM (RLQdU)


OK, rule one for AoSHQ: If you don't know what it is don't google it. What is seen cannot be unseen, only anesthetized.

TRRBMTW!arpg = The really, really being money that want Jeb!, and rinsed penis, gope


Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2015 01:24 PM (q2o38)

129 I just heard a knock on my door and looked out the second-floor window to see a young woman writing on a clipboard, and then walking down the street.

I have no idea what she was here for, but holy damn she was cute.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2015 01:36 PM (sdi6R)

130 106 ... Rhomboid, I should have mentioned that was with elbows braced on a bench. I was curious just how accurate this Garand could be without my 'marksmanship' interfering. Shooting will either be from a bench or off hand since I can't easily get up from the ground these days.

The other mil-surp rifles are as-issued bolt guns. I want to develop mild cast bullet loads for them using Unique or Red Dot. Easier on the brass and my shoulder. I have such a load for the '03 Springfield that's good to 200 yards. Hope to do similar for the .303 and Mosin.

The Garand will get 150 grain FMJBT bullets at usual Garand pressures and MV, probably using H4895. I was surprised at how mild the recoil is on the Garand compared to full loads in the bolt guns. Also, I'll keep the cases separate since I can't neck size only for it like I can for the '03.

Developing hand loads is one of the fun aspects of the hobby.

Posted by: JTB at November 22, 2015 01:42 PM (FvdPb)

131 Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2015 01:36 PM (sdi6R)

Please explain why you did not open the door for said cute woman.

broken leg?

otherwise...you know the drill.

Turn in your Man Card.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2015 01:49 PM (Zu3d9)

132 131
Please explain why you did not open the door for said cute woman.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 22, 2015 01:49 PM (Zu3d9)


At my age that's just asking for trouble.

Posted by: rickl at November 22, 2015 01:52 PM (sdi6R)

133 Yeah, I always liked that "unlike you rubes, law enforcement officers are specially TRAINED to use firearms" argument by gun-grabbers. I've had police firearms training, and I've had civilian firearms training, and the police training totally sucks in comparison. Your little sister in Junior High could shoot better than the police marksmanship standards, where officers "practice" twice a year. As my cop friend said when I invited him to a day at the range: "No, thanks, I only shoot when I'm paid to."

Posted by: Socratease at November 22, 2015 01:54 PM (2GbWn)

134
I'm a life member of NRA. Yeah, it is expensive...when I got life membership it cost 750 bucks... but, I appreciate them defending my RIGHT to own firearms to defend myself.

If you do as well, but can't justify the cost of a life membership then go to the NRA STORE and buy something you like there.... the profits go to support NRA programs...

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 22, 2015 01:58 PM (Qj6zv)

135 I have an SP101 DAO snubby in 357. It's a fine revolver and that all-steel weight helps with recoil. But it is much more controllable with 38s. Also, if you have to fire 357s without ear protection you'll be deaf for a while and the cringing will likely disturb accuracy. It would be worse indoors. The 38 special is loud enough, 357 mags are horrible. (Don't ask how I know.)

I did put Crimson Trace grips on it since it is a bedside gun and I don't know what the light conditions will be.

Posted by: JTB at November 22, 2015 02:00 PM (FvdPb)

136 Someone posted last week re. A Ruger SR 556 (AR). I had been pondering a rifle or shotgun for the truck for a while. Last weeks events moved me to action. I ordered this rifle and it should be delivered Tuesday. I'll post a review when I can get it and me to the range. All previous Rugers I have purchased have been really good. My expectations are high.

Posted by: Agitator at November 22, 2015 02:04 PM (P7VMU)

137 The man known as 'too late' to the thread appends, "Larry Corino's thought experiment is nuked with one simple rebuttal. The left doesn't even want cops to have guns. "

In the left's version of utopia, only select members of the politbureau are armed, and they are usually protected by an armed security detail.

Obama says, "I am not afraid." He should be.

Posted by: THDeering at November 22, 2015 02:05 PM (FRnG7)

138 Careful with the wordage, THD.
Ace doesn't need the aggravation.

Posted by: navybrat at November 22, 2015 02:21 PM (ETxiG)

139 #90: Jim, if you're still reading this thread, i sent you an e-mail re the O/U you have...

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 22, 2015 02:23 PM (YBR3Y)

140 #116: JTB, have your wife apply for one. Resident Evil was told, at one of the local CMP matches, by a long time member, that the organization tends to send the best available weapon to female purchasers, whereas guys get whatever is up next.

you can also go, if you're in range, to their two national matches, Camp Perry or Arizona, and hand select your choice from whatever is on display. they then ship it to you when they get back.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 22, 2015 02:37 PM (YBR3Y)

141
Did an informal inventory this weekend...

Damn! I have a bunch of Russkie bits, x39 and x54R.

It's hard to pass up cheap, if dirty, ammo. Stuff never fails to go Pew!

Posted by: Spun and Murky at November 22, 2015 02:37 PM (4DCSq)

142 Hickock has nothing on me, having spent some time operating a bulldozer while drinking beer, and shooting at the discarded empties with an AR.

About as good as it gets, entertainment-wise.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at November 22, 2015 02:37 PM (9mTYi)

143 Breezy applying for a LTC in MA see these pages for info:

Www.goal.org
Www.comm2a.org
Www.northeastshooters.com (see the MA laws subforum stickied threads)

I jumped through the hoops for a license in Boston and am a member of the only gun club inside the city limits.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at November 22, 2015 02:52 PM (+f7H2)

144 BurtTC: Just wondering... could it be said the anti-gun movement started 52 years ago today?

Been thinking about the anniversary, hadn't seen it mentioned yet, and was thinking of remarking on it here, just because I missed the morning thread, and neither books nor football seemed appropriate.

Now I don't have to.

Posted by: mindful webworker - up & to the left... at November 22, 2015 02:56 PM (GHHRC)

145 80
#68

Thank you Richard mcenroe, yes, I use a PMC Ammunition, 495 grain
lead flat point that is weapon specific, 1250fps...supposedly
"faithfully reproduced to match official US military cartridges from
1873 to 1892... Or so the box claims.

--------------------

Unless they're using actual black powder, I'm dubious.

After 1879, the official Army load was 70 grains of black powder behind a 500 grain bullet. Of course, it's impossible to know how today's black powder compares to yesterday, so it could be moot.

Me, I'd avoid smokeless powder in that old warhorse. Feed her the Holy Black.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 22, 2015 03:06 PM (/pB9Z)

146 I've loved the Beretta Model 12 ever since seeing them in "The Cassandra Crossing" when I was a sprout.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 22, 2015 03:12 PM (/pB9Z)

147
Taro!!!
This week's hawtness= 11" 80% pistol

Posted by: MAx at November 22, 2015 03:14 PM (LAliD)

148 Breezy applying for a LTC in MA see these pages for info:



Www.goal.org

Www.comm2a.org

Www.northeastshooters.com (see the MA laws subforum stickied threads)



I jumped through the hoops for a license in Boston and am a member of the only gun club inside the city limits.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at November 22, 2015 02:52 PM


Agreed. I've had a MA carry permit for 20 years and never had a problem getting it or renewing it. The problem is that we're a "may issue" state. My city is more conservative and very good on carry permits. Others...not so much.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 22, 2015 03:17 PM (pLwjI)

149 147

Taro!!!
This week's hawtness= 11" 80% pistol

Posted by: MAx

-------------

I've been seriously considering a pistol build next.

What caliber is yours? I thought .300 Blackout would be neat.

My latest two builds were a 9mm carbine and a retro Vietnam-ish rifle. Now that I just dropped $4500 on a home repair, my gun-buying-and-building days are over for a while. Luckily I've got plenty to keep me occupied.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I'm tinkering with my Pedersoli Brown Bess - the AR-15 of the 18th century.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 22, 2015 03:26 PM (/pB9Z)

150 Like the federal super permit. As an ex A-10 pilot that flew over many states with a 30mm cannon with 1150 rounds, might I qualify?

Posted by: Screejay at November 22, 2015 03:37 PM (6/n5d)

151 145 ... Have you slugged the bore on the Trapdoor? Those old barrels can vary a lot.

I assume the claims on the PMC ammo are correct as to safety. Too much of a chance for a law suit if they lied. No telling if the bullet is the needed diameter.

My 45-70s are modern and can use smokeless powder but I still prefer BP. It is a bit more trouble to load black powder cartridges but worth it. I get better accuracy and consistency with BP than smokeless. I use the appropriate amount of powder (might have to use a drop tube), a lubed felt wad pushed into place with a pencil or dowel, then the lubed bullet. I believe the top BP cartridge shooters all use black powder. The fired cases need more attention as well. I decap at the range and drop them in a jug of water. After cleaning the gun, I scrub the cases with a 45 caliber bore brush, rinse, and let them air dry completely. Just takes a few minutes.

Posted by: JTB at November 22, 2015 03:47 PM (FvdPb)

152 149 5.56. Blitzkreig tactical had 11" uppers for $150 and well... you know

Posted by: MAx at November 22, 2015 04:33 PM (LAliD)

153 Any time someone says they only want 'common sense' gun laws, they should be asked to name a gun law in NYC, Chicago, or DC which is not 'common-sensical'. And if they can't, they should be taken to task for wanting the prohibitionist gun laws those places have.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at November 22, 2015 04:36 PM (U4QC6)

154 "18
Took Eldest Kidlet to the range for her first time shooting ever. People
on the FaceBook page saw the result (nothing outside the 9-ring at
three yards). We need to work on her wrists though as the gun was
jamming at every shot for a while, although we got it up to only every
third shot after a bit.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 22, 2015 11:55 AM (GDulk)"

One of my daughters tends to always limp wrist and so she has gotten very proficient at clearing a jam. Some pistols are more susceptible to limp wristing than others. The all metal Smith and Wesson 9mm (if they still make them) and the SIG M11 (Model 228 or 229) seem to be more forgiving when someone does not hold firmly enough.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 22, 2015 04:41 PM (QHgTq)

155 I love Hickok45's videos.
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Well, me too, but I HATE the guy.

Okay, not 'hate', but dammit; A. He's an old guy, B. His vision is obviously not great, C. He can pick up a 9mm compact and start hitting an 18" target at 80 yards.

It's just not fair.

*runs from the room sobbing*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, whining at November 22, 2015 05:43 PM (9mTYi)

156 If you really want to get mad at Hickock45, get this: he's also cross-dominant, has hands so big that he pulls the trigger with his second knuckle, and his thumbs forward grip is appalling. And he still dings the gong most of the time with a Glock 27 and he can machine gun most any pistol.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 05:55 PM (rC6aw)

157 @134, Some Guy In Wisconsin,

"I'm a lifetime member of the NRA, yeah it's expensive".

Me too. I signed my wife and daughter up for yearly memberships and am trying to budget getting lifetime memberships for both of them.

The wife has a CHL and I'm planing to help my daughter get her CHL next year.

I look at this way............

Every time someone joins the NRA or gets a CHL 2 things happen.

1.) An angel get his wings.
2.) Somewhere, a gun grabbing liberals head explodes.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at November 22, 2015 08:21 PM (db6qE)

158 I was down on the NRA for a long time after the AWB and felt they didn't do enough to fight it. But, a nice thing about the Internet is you can go back to review what was really going on at the time, and it most certainly wasn't the NRA that screwed us.

Still plenty of fun companies I won't ever do business with again because if it.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 08:28 PM (rC6aw)

159 Gun, stupid auto-cucumber.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 22, 2015 08:29 PM (rC6aw)

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