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Good WaPo Article on the Cement Creek Clean-Up Project, and Ensuing Disaster
The article, naturally, makes sure you know the EPA's side first and foremost, but if you, like me, knew almost nothing about this latest government disaster, it's a very good primer. I don't know if I buy the claim I saw that nothing much had to be done with the mine; it was leaking heavy metals and toxins. I don't know what level of that is relatively safe. The letter to the editor protesting the EPA's plan is real, but it didn't really "predict" the disaster, as I first thought. The writer seems to be arguing that plugging the well in one area would just build pressure and force water, at the same rate of flow, somewhere else. (That rate it seems is 500 gallons per minute.) Update: I'm now not sure he's saying that. He could be talking about a more explosive release (i.e., like what happened). The actual disaster was caused when the EPA, attempting to shore up a wall of the mine, crashed through it with "heavy machinery," and a neighboring source of water swept through the mines and into the rivers. Update: reading more carefully, the article suggests that's what happened without saying so. It actually speaks in the passive voice of the wall coming tumbling down -- without directly noting what caused that. This resulted in several million gallons of the waste-tainted water rushing out in just a few minutes. Not really the same -- though the guy's basic point, that this is a relatively minor flow of toxic chemicals, and that the EPA's remediation would fail (and bring about the Superfund designation the EPA wanted and the locals resisted), is true, but only in very broadest outline. The argument that they intended this to happen I leave to others; I don't think things work that way. It's just another example of people who are simultaneously 1, religiously-possessed crusaders and 2, utter incompetents, rushing in to "fix the world" and making a toxic hellhole of it all.EPA rep: new estimate for amount of mine waste dumped into Cement Creek: 3 million gallons
— Navajo Times (@navajotimes) August 10, 2015Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)All that will happen is mining companiea will have to pay for the clean up.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 12, 2015 06:21 PM (4JdpU)
No perp walk
No stnd up
No jump suits
No unsealed indictments
All theatre
Posted by: DM at August 12, 2015 06:21 PM (xyDAt)
Posted by: rhomboid at August 12, 2015 06:22 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: PaleRider at August 12, 2015 06:23 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: Swamprat at August 12, 2015 06:23 PM (ln4QS)
Posted by: Rachel Corrie at August 12, 2015 06:23 PM (JC/0A)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 12, 2015 06:24 PM (JC/0A)
Posted by: Swamprat at August 12, 2015 06:24 PM (ln4QS)
Posted by: Billy Clinton at August 12, 2015 06:25 PM (nwnmt)
Posted by: EPA Weenie Boss at August 12, 2015 06:25 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Any Sane Person at August 12, 2015 06:26 PM (hvf9s)
Is in mind, and in my eyes
Yellow River, Yellow River
Is in my blood, it's the place I love
Posted by: The EPA Top 40 Countdown at August 12, 2015 06:26 PM (JC/0A)
Posted by: Your Mom at August 12, 2015 06:26 PM (94iKh)
Okay, who here knows how to drive a bulldozer? Any volunteers?
Posted by: EPA Weenie Boss
Not on my watch!
Posted by: Rachel Corrie at August 12, 2015 06:26 PM (OiFtZ)
That is the bottom line. This is criminal negligence and the State of CO should level charges at the EPA stooges for criminal negligence.
Posted by: Vic at August 12, 2015 06:27 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: Yo! at August 12, 2015 06:27 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Gina McTwat, EPA Misadministrator at August 12, 2015 06:27 PM (7u7u7)
Posted by: some random meathead at August 12, 2015 06:28 PM (Yrjee)
Posted by: EPA Weenie Boss at August 12, 2015 06:28 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 12, 2015 06:28 PM (JC/0A)
Me either. This administration has a clear and consistent record of incompetence and bumbling failure, not malice and cunning. They aren't smart, they just suck at their job and get great cover by the press so it seems clever.
To clarify: nobody did this to cover for some other thing coming out in the news. This was a genuine screwup.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:29 PM (39g3+)
obama: "Here's the thing I can say, Jon [Stewart]. I can say this unequivocally: The VA is better now than when I came into office; government works better than when I came into office; the economy, by every metric, is better than when I came into office."
Everything is better!
obamacare is working better than anyone had imagined, too!
The obama Stimulus did exactly what it was supposed to do!
The Syrian rebel force? Yep, they're doing better than anyone imagined, too!
Everything is better!
Thanks, obama!
And thanks for polluting that Colorado river; you made it better!!
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 06:29 PM (7vjfd)
Posted by: Ralph at August 12, 2015 06:29 PM (94iKh)
Posted by: Colorado Jay at August 12, 2015 06:29 PM (SJi0a)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=11v=Tt1W0F0yObg
Let us watch the lovely ballet ensue!
Posted by: LizLem at August 12, 2015 06:30 PM (hvf9s)
Wait until you see next quarter's revisions.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 12, 2015 06:30 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: dipshit Politico 'cartoonist' nobody ever heard of at August 12, 2015 06:30 PM (Yrjee)
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at August 12, 2015 06:30 PM (uJK1E)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
That's because I never ran near Hanoi.
Posted by: Tamponless marathon runner at August 12, 2015 06:30 PM (awspb)
It was all the contractor's fault! Also: a video! We will hold them accountable!
Posted by: Gina McTwat, EPA Misadministrator at August 12, 2015 06:27 PM (7u7u7)
Hey Gina McTwat, at the old company I used to work for we were always held accountable for anything out contractors did. Why are you any different?
Oh that's right, you play softball with Kagan so you get a Get Out of Hell Free card.
Posted by: Vic at August 12, 2015 06:30 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: Gina McTwat, EPA Misadministrator at August 12, 2015 06:30 PM (7u7u7)
Posted by: PaleRider at August 12, 2015 06:30 PM (dkExz)
You don't think malice plays any role whatsoever in their game plan?
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at August 12, 2015 06:31 PM (Dwehj)
This sounds worse than the BP spill, which cleared itself up after a matter of months.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 12, 2015 06:31 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at August 12, 2015 06:31 PM (uJK1E)
I still can't get over how 1-in-20 Republicans would support an obama 3rd term.
Yeah, we sure do have a Trump problem. My ass.
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 06:31 PM (7vjfd)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 12, 2015 06:31 PM (JC/0A)
The statist argument is essentially that the environment is better in North Korea.
These are only *slight* parodies of the ideas, though few would actually voice them as such.
As with most government agencies (everywhere), the problem with the EPA is "agenda drift," they have this spiralling shit-whirlwind of garbled ideological beliefs that, for them, are more important than anything you want (or need).
And they lie and hide e-mails and have buddies sue them to create policies no one ever voted for (and fund their buddies). That too.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 12, 2015 06:31 PM (bLnSU)
I'll bet over 90% of Congressional Republicans would support an obama 3rd term.
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 06:31 PM (7vjfd)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 12, 2015 06:32 PM (oFCZn)
That is all.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 12, 2015 06:32 PM (Yrjee)
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses
Not the hill to die on.
Posted by: John Boehner at August 12, 2015 06:32 PM (awspb)
So, what you're saying is, it's been dormant since before the start of the First Great Depression, and almost made it through the Second before this happened.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 12, 2015 06:32 PM (iIzG7)
He was right about the pressure it would cause, and pressure will be released without a stop. He knew there was no way they could contain all the pathways.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 12, 2015 06:33 PM (ODxAs)
Probably was for a while after the US pulled out of South Vietnam.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:33 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Iran at August 12, 2015 06:33 PM (9Du4t)
So far here in MA I've seen 4 Bernie Sanders stickers.
Today I saw the biggest sticker. It was a full 2 feet long and said: BERNIE, OF COURSE
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 06:33 PM (7vjfd)
You're welcome.
Posted by: Obama, waiting for you to bestow him with praise at August 12, 2015 06:33 PM (hvf9s)
So, you're not voting next presidential election either, then?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:34 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Colorado Jay at August 12, 2015 06:34 PM (SJi0a)
Posted by: Gina McTwat, EPA Misadministrator at August 12, 2015 06:34 PM (7u7u7)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 12, 2015 06:34 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 06:34 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Fritz at August 12, 2015 06:35 PM (o/UmK)
as I first thought. The writer seems to be arguing that plugging the
well in one area would just build pressure and force water, at the same
rate of flow, somewhere else. (That rate it seems is 500 gallons per
minute.)
It predicted the disaster exactly. The ground water flows at 500 gpm but if you bottle up that flow with plugs, then it still accumulates behind the plug, until it bursts, but when it burst you get all the water that has been building up at 500 gpm for however many days it's been plugged.
Posted by: DFCtomm at August 12, 2015 06:35 PM (PDxas)
Posted by: Titanium at August 12, 2015 06:35 PM (u9UgT)
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 12, 2015 06:35 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: The EPA at August 12, 2015 06:36 PM (JC/0A)
superfund site - the town does not want it. So the EPA made an "oopsie"
that renders it a moot point.
The power of government compels you!!
Posted by: govmint performing exorcism on 'merica at August 12, 2015 06:36 PM (hvf9s)
The EPA is getting a juicy new project out of the deal. Not exactly punishment, eh?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 06:36 PM (NOIQH)
And how 'bout that debt? Haven't we just quit counting?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 12, 2015 06:37 PM (1CroS)
Not much difference in size, but smaller area to disperse in. But shouldn't have much in terms of long-term damage I don't guess. Although I've heard a rumor that that water empties out into one of the shrinking Nevada tourist lakes, and that could be a problem.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:37 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 12, 2015 06:37 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Vic at August 12, 2015 06:30 PM (GpgJl)
What's McCarthy's connection to Kagan?
Posted by: Titanium at August 12, 2015 06:37 PM (u9UgT)
Posted by: Gina McTwat, EPA Misadministrator at August 12, 2015 06:38 PM (7u7u7)
Posted by: Al Sharpton at August 12, 2015 06:38 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 12, 2015 06:39 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at August 12, 2015 06:39 PM (f+6Pd)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 12, 2015 06:39 PM (OSs/l)
Those initial tests after the spill showed 3500 times the level of arsenic.
Remember how they went after Bush Sr. for naturally occuring levels of arsenic. Good times, good times.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 12, 2015 06:39 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Titanium
And I thought Hillary/Huma was an ugly mental picture.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at August 12, 2015 06:39 PM (awspb)
For decades, Silverton has been a bastion of anti-Superfund sentiment, spurning the Environmental Protection Agency's repeated attempts to list its draining mines under the federal cleanup program.
Even in the last five years, as scientists warned the metal pollution gushing out of Gold King and Red and Bonita mines was doing increasing violence to the river's ecosystem, the town rejected EPA intervention for fear that a Superfund listing would besmirch its reputation and deter mining companies from setting up shop.
SO they can set up shop as a superfund site AND deter any future mining.
Win-win.
After Fast and Furious it's hard to assume that the government is not creating other crises to prompt their preferred agenda.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 06:39 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: #VOXtakes at August 12, 2015 06:40 PM (1CroS)
Your most favorite, besttest kin...rul...I mean prez ever,
Ba-rake Morehamit Ali-lala Obummer the first
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 12, 2015 06:40 PM (xVgrA)
Posted by: Colorado Jay at August 12, 2015 06:40 PM (SJi0a)
So far here in MA I've seen 4 Bernie Sanders stickers.
Today I saw the biggest sticker. It was a full 2 feet long and said: BERNIE, OF COURSE
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 06:33 PM (7vjfd)
I was reading the reddit thread about Trump and of course the socialists are there (it's reddit).
We need to get the word out about Bernie but need to do it without coming off as pretentious self-righteous pricks!
Oh well it was fun while it lasted then because those people are genetically incapable of not coming off like pretentious self-righteous pricks.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 12, 2015 06:41 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Garrett at August 12, 2015 06:41 PM (rGZMi)
Posted by: EPA at August 12, 2015 06:41 PM (bAnom)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 12, 2015 06:43 PM (XAFOu)
Posted by: Malaria at August 12, 2015 06:43 PM (gyKtp)
"When the government f**ks up like this, there should be a refund to the American taxpayers."
Seriously, this should be law. That's how you fine a government agency: you require a tax rebate out of their budget.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:44 PM (39g3+)
This is UPSTREAM of the mines that they were worried about.
They plugged this mine, so it would stop running downhill to the other mines... but...
Did not plug this mine well... and so let it fill with water.
They were trying to 'fix' the plug with a bulldozer, when everything collapsed...
But as the mining engineer had stated in his letter, the collapse was pretty much inevitable, because that water HAD to go somewhere...
I will also note, that the enviros in the article said the Fish had disappeared from that stream... but it was years AFTER the last mine had closed... ie, they were there for a 100 years with the mines... mines closed, Government took over, and Fish disappeared... kinda makes ya go... hmmmmm....
Posted by: BB Wolf at August 12, 2015 06:44 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Gina McTwat, EPA Misadministrator at August 12, 2015 06:44 PM (7u7u7)
Posted by: Queen Barry I at August 12, 2015 06:45 PM (awspb)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 12, 2015 06:45 PM (vgIRn)
.@HillaryClinton I’ve frozen in-state tuition rates for four years, while you charged colleges $225K+ just to show up. -SW
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 12, 2015 06:45 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:45 PM (39g3+)
Those initial tests after the spill showed 3500 times the level of arsenic.
Remember how they went after Bush Sr. for naturally occuring levels of arsenic. Good times, good times.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 12, 2015 06:39 PM (ODxAs)
Already down to pre-event levels. McCarthy said so.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 12, 2015 06:45 PM (XAFOu)
Posted by: alexthechick at August 12, 2015 06:21 PM (4JdpU)
Just like homeowners in newly designated "flood zones" are still paying for Katrina.
Posted by: Golfman at August 12, 2015 06:45 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 12, 2015 06:45 PM (2lndx)
Today I saw the biggest sticker. It was a full 2 feet long and said: BERNIE, OF COURSE
........................
Well, Bernie couldn't read the regular sized ones even with his glasses.
Posted by: wth at August 12, 2015 06:45 PM (wAQA5)
You're welcome
Posted by: EPA Experts at August 12, 2015 06:45 PM (f+6Pd)
Posted by: Bosk at August 12, 2015 06:46 PM (n2K+4)
Let's see them take a nice, big drink, then, and let their children all go for a nice swim in it.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 12, 2015 06:47 PM (iIzG7)
EPA Worker 2: don't worry I have a brilliant plan. Let's spill 3 million gallons of toxic waste into this here river. Then tell them it will take decades to clean up. Bam-- guaranteed job for the foreseeable future.
EPA WORKER 1: won't we get in trouble for causing the spill?
EPA WORKER 2: nah, we just blame it on the tea party and But, Boooooooosh. That ALWAYS works.
EPA WORKER 2: that's BRILLIANT, thanks man!!!
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 12, 2015 06:47 PM (xVgrA)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 12, 2015 06:48 PM (XAFOu)
Sorry to disagree. They save their malice and cunning for far much more global issues.
Posted by: Golfman at August 12, 2015 06:48 PM (48QDY)
Yeah, McCarthy is a lying sack of shit, what was the purpose of the initial cleanup pray tell?
Of course the govt is still lying about Rocky Flats nuke site near Denver and allowing homes to be built next to it. Crazy.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 12, 2015 06:49 PM (ODxAs)
So the EPA dumper 3 million gallons (prolly a low #)
the stream was leaking at 500 gallons per minute
I'm calcing the EPA dumped 11.4 years worth into the river all at once
Posted by: Yo! at August 12, 2015 06:49 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 12, 2015 06:49 PM (iIzG7)
I think the letter-writer was assuming they were stupid, not grotesquely incompetent. He was operating under the basic assumption that 500 gallons of water a minute will find its way out. Not that they would just punch a hole in a nearby water source and send millions of gallons through over a few minutes.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 12, 2015 06:49 PM (2lndx)
Already down to pre-event levels. McCarthy said so.
I'm sure the water is, after all its not a swimming pool. All that gunk got washed downstream. But what about the sediment at the bottom and on the shoreline? How bout in the critters?
My guess is only short term damage but that's not what we're told every time there's an oil spill, is it? We haven't seen Obama there in rubber boots but to be fair it took him, what, 3 weeks to come off vacation and visit the gulf shore?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:49 PM (39g3+)
An easy mistake to make, really.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:50 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: wth at August 12, 2015 06:50 PM (wAQA5)
1) An orange river in Broncos Country, just as the NFL preseason starts, and
2) Heavy metal.
The trifecta would be if the water tastes like Genesee Cream Ale.
Posted by: FireHorse at August 12, 2015 06:50 PM (8x3w0)
**spins a 360, repeatedly**
Posted by: The EPA at August 12, 2015 06:51 PM (+YMhA)
DURANGO - Environmental Protection Agency chief Gina McCarthy said
Wednesday that water quality in La Plata County has 'returned to
pre-event conditions' after last week's Gold King Mine wastewater spill.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 12, 2015 06:48 PM
I lived in Farmington NM, which pumps its drinking water from the Animas to a reservoir. If I still lived there, I'd be stocked up on bottled water, mainly because arsenic and lead. Pre-event levels my ass.
Posted by: huerfano at August 12, 2015 06:51 PM (bynk/)
I'm glad Ace saw the same thing I did about the geologist who predicted what would happen. With other morons saying he predicted "exactly" what would happen, I thought I'd missed something.
It's still a huuuge mistake anyway.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 12, 2015 06:51 PM (jtStN)
Posted by: naturalfake at August 12, 2015 06:52 PM (KUa85)
An easy mistake to make, really.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:50 PM (39g3+)
"I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by calling you stupid. I thought you already knew."
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 12, 2015 06:52 PM (+YMhA)
But you know what?
Life went one. The chemicals over time washed away and dissolved, and the Mercury settled to the bottom of the Bay, to which it has washed hundreds of miles down creeks and rivers and straits.
And now it just its there pretty much inertly at the bottom of the Bay. THe only danger comes from anyone foolish enough to bottom-fish for flounders and so forth inside the Golden Gate.
Nature has a way of overwhelming every crisis.
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 06:52 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:52 PM (39g3+)
Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Gina McCarthy told reporters today in Durango that the agency takes "full responsibility" for the spill last week at Gold King Mine.
She said both internal and independent reviews of the incident are underway, and mine remediation operations throughout the country are being scrutinized to ensure they are being safely performed.
...
When asked by a reporter, McCarthy said she did not visit the site of the spill.
EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy speaks about the Gold King Mine spill during a press conference at the incident command post in Durango, Colo.
EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy speaks about the Gold King Mine spill during a press conference at the incident command post in Durango, Colo. (Jon Austria/The Daily Times)
"Mine waste is under control at this point, as far as I know," she said. "The mine is being managed. My job is to manage the agency and the response and to ensure everyone that we will be fully accountable."
"Full responsibility" is now a meaningless phrase, just as Hillary said this after Benghazi, and then...no one was fired, Cheryl Mills held a secret Saturday doc shredding party, and Hillary refused to turn over all her emails, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 06:52 PM (NOIQH)
The hell they would. They'd be using that guy's scrotum for a tobacco pouch.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2015 06:53 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2015 06:53 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 06:53 PM (jBuUi)
Theyhad an ideathis could happen. They did it to get their damned Superfund Designation to keep their phoney-baloney jobs. They saw bad things where there were no bad things and performed a Regulatory Exorcism to create a Graft Demon.
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold 1) at August 12, 2015 06:53 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Hussein the Liar, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at August 12, 2015 06:53 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: eman at August 12, 2015 06:54 PM (mR4vY)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 12, 2015 06:54 PM (AVEe1)
I'm re-reading and trying to figure out if you're right... at the moment i think you are, but I have now gone one way and then another and am a little out of my depth.
Posted by: ace at August 12, 2015 06:55 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:52 PM
I lived there from 1980 to 2010. I miss the desert and the proximity to the mountains.
Posted by: huerfano at August 12, 2015 06:55 PM (bynk/)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 12, 2015 06:55 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:56 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 06:52 PM (jBuUi)
Oddly enough, all those enviroweenies steam washing the beaches in Prince William Sound were outclassed and outdone by a good, hard winter season in Alaska.
Nobody knows where all that oil went, but it is gone, baby, gone, and nothing we did sent it away.
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 12, 2015 06:56 PM (+YMhA)
Wednesday that water quality in La Plata County has 'returned to
pre-event conditions' after last week's Gold King Mine wastewater spill.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 12, 2015 06:48 PM
Wow... it must be Magic Pollution... because it just seemed to have suddenly vanished!
Did she wave Her Magic Wand?
Posted by: BB Wolf at August 12, 2015 06:56 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk/i]
Well, OK -- most crises.
Nuclear disasters are a special case.
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 06:56 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 12, 2015 06:54 PM (AVEe1)
Dang you and your fast typing fingers.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 12, 2015 06:56 PM (06iOE)
Don't know much ecology
Don't know much about a science book
Don't know much about the french I took
But I do know CO2 bitches
Posted by: The EPA at August 12, 2015 06:56 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 06:56 PM (jBuUi)
A crew of pea-brains and pencil-necks showed up and very carefully loaded the spill into a truck. "Where do you take it?", asked my friends.
"We take over to the next section and spread it on a field."
???
The pea-brain-in-charge (PBIC) condescended to reply: "You have a spill. There it will be an application."
Similarly, before the Bush I tax increase, I was getting a building permit to develop bare land acreage. Since it was on a state highway, zoning restricted the number and location of driveways, and there was fine print related-thereto. Next came the issue of sanitary service for on-site labor. I told them the on-site labor was myself. I am that guy. They said I needed to tell them,by law, how I was going to go to the bathroom on my own land. I told the truth: I'm going to have an outhouse, just like my pioneer forebears, until I build a compliant drain-field. They said, that's prohibited by regulation. I said I'm a law school dropout, citation please. At that point, bless his heart, the county guy relented and we had a conversation, the kind I fear is impossible these days with all the angry lesbians unionized in the county government work-force.
My legal alternative was a portapotty. Long story short, they spread the contents of the portapotty on farm fields. There, it did not enter a sewage treatment process. An application, not a spill.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Question for the horde: spill or application?
Posted by: True Tale from the Cornbelt at August 12, 2015 06:56 PM (5SpFk)
I don't remember it at all, we moved before I was 4 years old. Mom says the climate there was mild and wonderful though.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 06:57 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 12, 2015 06:54 PM (AVEe1)
He used to, but she keeps it in a jar on the shelf now.
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 12, 2015 06:57 PM (+YMhA)
We have lowered our estimate of the heavy metal pollution that the private company contractors let out from 1 million gallons to 3 million gallons.
You're welcome
Posted by: EPA Experts
..............................
and your health insurance premiums will be reduced 3000% !!!
Posted by: Hussein the Liar, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at August 12, 2015 06:58 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 12, 2015 06:58 PM (xYeQt)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 12, 2015 06:58 PM (ODxAs)
No, no, Ms. McCarthy. Please. It was totally our fault. You should really stop blaming yourselves. We are the ones who screwed up.
Posted by: Hot Dog Vendors in Alaska at August 12, 2015 06:59 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 12, 2015 06:57 PM (+YMhA)
Valjar?
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 12, 2015 06:59 PM (06iOE)
"Full responsibility" is now a meaningless phrase, just as Hillary said this after Benghazi, and then...no one was fired, Cheryl Mills held a secret Saturday doc shredding party, and Hillary refused to turn over all her emails, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 06:52 PM (NOIQH)
You think I'm going there???? are you NUTS???
I'm from Washington, we only send OTHER people into dangerous situations...
Posted by: G McCarthy at August 12, 2015 07:00 PM (qh617)
Almost as bad: the pollution standards for dust from fields being plowed. Basically these guys know nothing at all about nature, farming, or the environment beyond a textbook written by the equivalent of Zinn. And yet, so much power over our lives.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:00 PM (39g3+)
and this is obama's EPA and obama's environmental disaster
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 07:00 PM (7vjfd)
Posted by: Hot Dog Vendors in Alaska at August 12, 2015 06:59 PM (1CroS)
Reindeer sausage vendor, please. Truth in advertising.
Posted by: tcn in AK at August 12, 2015 07:01 PM (+YMhA)
I worked in cyanide leach mines in Nevada in my teens. You can still find hydraulic and leach mines in the hills all over those old "gold rush" areas, and nothing is, or needs to be done, unless the government needs make work...
Posted by: macleod at August 12, 2015 07:01 PM (Qf5bp)
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 07:02 PM (7vjfd)
Posted by: Mega at August 12, 2015 07:02 PM (9Du4t)
I swore I would never wait in line after the army, but I guess I will have to to piss on his grave.
http://tinyurl.com/oehqg97
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 12, 2015 07:02 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 12, 2015 07:03 PM (+zDgj)
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 06:52 PM
________
I remember seeing a show around the time of the Exxon Valdez disaster. Some scientists went to the English Channel to see what the long-term effects of a major oil spill were. They went to the site of the Amoco Cadiz wreck to document what they found ten years after the incident.
What they found was no evidence that anything had happened there.
Posted by: FireHorse at August 12, 2015 07:03 PM (8x3w0)
As of yet they're casting a positive view on this but usually once a cancer metastasizes, there's not much longer to go.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 12, 2015 07:04 PM (x3GpS)
I swore I would never wait in line after the army
Avoid England. I swear they invent reasons to queue.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:04 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Sixkiller at August 12, 2015 07:04 PM (hRytD)
Francisco Domingo Carlos Andres Sebastián d'Anconia
or
Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 12, 2015 07:05 PM (+zDgj)
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/212436/#respond
Posted by: naturalfake at August 12, 2015 06:52 PM (KUa85
I like how the cover of Steyn's book has a sticker that says "Vol. 1".
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 12, 2015 07:05 PM (06iOE)
Posted by: Network Nightly News at August 12, 2015 07:05 PM (48QDY)
I sometimes muse at how advances in science intersect our burgeoning idiocracy. Your modern urban neurotic shits his pants over all sorts of compounds that "have been detected" in some bodily fluid or other.
The problem is that advances in analytical chemistry allow detection of ridiculously low levels of many analytes, far below the threshold dosage where toxicity becomes apparent. Decades ago a sales rep flogging off an HPLC (analytical chromatography gear) showed off the sensitivity of his instrument by extracting a bit of peanut butter, shooting it onto the HPLC, and point out the peak for aflatoxin (a fiercely hepatocarcinogenic compound produced by mold on peanuts, IIRC). Every bottle of peanut butter ever made has a little tiny bit of this stuff in it - Every. One. - because invariably at least one peanut in the vat had some of the mold growing on it.
Since the guiding principle of toxicology is "the dose makes the poison," i.e., everything is toxic at some dosage, and presumably non-toxic (or close enough as not to matter) at another.
But your modern urban neurotic, or leftist nitwit (with considerable overlap between those two groups) does not recognize that concept, and freaks over something merely being detected.
The irony is that a toxic compound to which everyone is exposed, every day, is ... oxygen.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2015 07:06 PM (oKE6c)
The next week the Fed EPA came in and told them to do it another way, a completely different treatment.
What did the company do? The did it the Fed's way and paid a fine to the State because it would have cost more to get the State and Feds to agree on one treatment.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 12, 2015 07:06 PM (ZCFje)
Posted by: Sixkiller at August 12, 2015 07:06 PM (hRytD)
Nothing like turning your research as part of your legal defense into a book.
Steyn is awesome.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 07:06 PM (NOIQH)
Finding an old 1930s chemistry set in a friend's garage and noting to our initial amazement and delight that it contains samples of
Aluminum
Iron
Copper
Nickel
Carbon
Sodium
...and Uranium.
Yep, A tiny little mini-uranium ore sample in a glass test-tube!
But then we got worried, so we (foolishly, foolishly) called the Fire Department to ask if it was dangerous.
Holy.
Shit.
After hanging up the phone we sat there in a praeternatural calm for about 90 seconds. Little did we know those were that last normal 90 seconds of our lives.
It started when we heard a siren in the distance.
Closer. Closer. Closer.
Until a massive fire truck, along with the fire chief's car, raced up to the house.
"Back Away From the Garage! Do Not Touch Anything! Prepare for Decontamination!"
I'll spare you most of the details. Entire neighborhood evacuated. House eventually condemned. Headlines in the newspaper. For weeks. Family disintegration. Friendships ruined. Lawsuits flying every which way.
An absolute life-changing nightmare.
All over half a teaspoon of uranium.
Moral of the story:
Do NOT tell the government if you have some dangerous stuff in your possession.
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 07:07 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: The EPA at August 12, 2015 07:07 PM (gyKtp)
He'd be dead, You'd be caught with your pants down.
Yes, I realize it's an attempt to show utter disdain. It'ss always seemed like a dumb phrase to me.
You could of course, go piss on him now or when he has cancer treatments, but you probably wouldn't get past the Secret Service.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 12, 2015 07:07 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 12, 2015 07:08 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Achilles at August 12, 2015 07:08 PM (85/zS)
He'd have my vote.
After hanging up the phone we sat there in a praeternatural calm for about 90 seconds. Little did we know those were that last normal 90 seconds of our lives.
Some stuff makes people go nuts like a bee in the car. Uranium occurs naturally in the ground for crying out loud.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:08 PM (39g3+)
It's funny how a mining toxic waste reservoir held tight from 15 years since the last Cubs WS Championship up until now. Suddenly it lets loose (with a little help from some EPA "engineers"), during the time that the JEF is using his pen to regulate coal mines into extinction.
I'm sure that it's just a coincidence.
Posted by: Urban Achiever at August 12, 2015 07:08 PM (HTyoI)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 12, 2015 07:09 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 07:07 PM
Keep them away from Lake Powell. That place is covered with radioactive stuff.
Posted by: huerfano at August 12, 2015 07:09 PM (bynk/)
Now that I've said he's a goner respectfully, I can express myself more accurately.
James Earl Carter;
So long Bitch. Too bad it wasn't sooner.
We could forgive you for being an a'hole President. We can even forgive the stupid criticisms of other Presidents. We might be able to forgive your stupidity in North Korea.
WE WILL NOT, WE CAN NOT FORGIVE YOUR ANTISEMITISM AND SUPPORT FOR TERRORISTS.
You are and will always be known as a bumbling fool that was taken advantage of by some really bad and nasty characters. And apparently you were totally unaware of it.
Unless of course you knew and if that's the case, may you burn in Hell forever.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 12, 2015 07:09 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: irright at August 12, 2015 07:10 PM (1xbZS)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 12, 2015 07:06 PM (ZCFje)
Some of the worst examples of soil erosion I have ever seen are on the Plank, King and Manchester road shoulders on Fort Bragg. If a state highway looked like that, boy howdy.
Posted by: Golfman at August 12, 2015 07:11 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: steevy at August 12, 2015 07:11 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 12, 2015 07:11 PM (1CroS)
Sounds truly horrific but I simply can't stop laughing. I think it's the way you tell it.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 12, 2015 07:11 PM (oFCZn)
I think the EPA is full of shit. There's no downside if they lie.
This government's out of control. It's too bad there isn't a group of American citizens who are pledged to reducing the size and scope of the Federal leviathan...
The group would have to be massive though - something on the order of a Grand Old Party.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 12, 2015 07:11 PM (ZCFje)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 12, 2015 07:07 PM (OSs/l)
You are right those bastards will be at front of the line with the Shah's son.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 12, 2015 07:11 PM (0FSuD)
my humour has fled for the hills. The utter and gross incompetence that is a hallmark of this administration has washed it away...
We need a mad bull destroying the glass houses all these malicious idiots live in. And so far the only Bullworth is a crazy hairpiece attached to a big mouth.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 12, 2015 07:11 PM (uNTa0)
They've dispatched EPA folks to Lake Powell because it is down river from this CO spill.
The AGs from CO, Utah and New Mexico are meeting to come up w/a plan to hold the EPA responsible.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 07:12 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 12, 2015 07:12 PM (OSs/l)
Well, that's not exactly true; its been leaking nasty crud into the creeks (along with several others in the area) for decades, but at a slow rate that can be metabolized as it were by the river.
That's why the EPA was up there to begin with, all those old mines are violating their regulations.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:12 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 12, 2015 07:14 PM (oFCZn)
Great, they sue the EPA, we foot the bill with taxes, and the EPA shrugs.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:14 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Rahm Emmanual Crisis Conversion Services at August 12, 2015 07:14 PM (1CroS)
But Government flunkies take every opportunity to justify their existence regardless of how much danger there actually is.
People should know by now to never call the Government for anything. You will only regret it. So unless some one else has called them, do not call the government about anything.
They will always, always cause more trouble than they save.
That's what God made shovels for.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 12, 2015 07:15 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 12, 2015 07:15 PM (uNTa0)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 07:12 PM (NOIQH)
Looking a check perhaps?
Posted by: Golfman at August 12, 2015 07:15 PM (48QDY)
http://orau.org/ptp/collection/spinthariscopes/ring.htm
Posted by: steevy at August 12, 2015 07:15 PM (sPO3u)
Seriously?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel
Seriously. It was actually way worse than I outlined.
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 07:15 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 07:07 PM (jBuUi)
There are only two circumstances under which you tell the government *anything*.
1) It would be absolutely catastrophic if you didn't, and
2) They already know but expect you to say anyway.
In both cases, there are exceptions.
Sorry to hear about all that trauma, but, life lessons for us all.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 12, 2015 07:15 PM (bLnSU)
Some stuff makes people go nuts like a bee in the car. Uranium occurs naturally in the ground for crying out loud.
................................
Had a bee in my car once on the freeway going about 70. Tried to get it, looked up and caught mirrors with a car parked half in, half out of the emergency lane. Took most of the passenger door off my truck, a little Ford Ranger.
Posted by: wth at August 12, 2015 07:16 PM (wAQA5)
And it never was as bad as advertised, especially in that ridiculous film with
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:17 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Buzzion at August 12, 2015 07:17 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 12, 2015 07:17 PM (uNTa0)
A case in point to my earlier comment.
U-238 (the predominant isotope) has a half-life of something like 4.5 billion years, IIRC, which means that its specific activity is very low indeed. For comparison, you used to be able to dispose of small amounts of Tc-99 by pouring it down a drain, because its half-life is ca. 200,000 years. So for most purposes U-238 is effectively not radioactive, on top of which it is an alpha emitter, and alpha particles are stopped by a sheet of paper, so BFD.
What would I worry about? Bone-seeking isotopes (Sr-90, for example), and among chemical agents (as opposed to radiological ones) ingestion of Pb (hard to clear from the body), polycyclic aromatic compounds (DNA intercalators, such as benzpyrene, found in cigarette smoke), stuff like that.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2015 07:18 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 07:18 PM (NOIQH)
I had one. They were cool as shit. I would stay up at night and watch the atoms.
I didn't go blind till college, but it was worth it.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 12, 2015 07:18 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: EPA at August 12, 2015 07:18 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 12, 2015 07:19 PM (uNTa0)
Obama would be asking whose ass to kick, or neck should he be placing his boot.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 07:20 PM (NOIQH)
CNN would be devoting their "missing plane" time to the spill.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:20 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Swamprat
He'll save us from all that icky electricity.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 12, 2015 07:22 PM (W5DcG)
So, very apt video perhaps.
Posted by: 29Victor at August 12, 2015 07:22 PM (UF0Iv)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:17 PM (39g3+)
Sorry, another hot button for me. People freak at a "cancer cluster," but apparently don't consider that there could easily be corresponding "cancer voids" too, but there are no people sitting around at neighborhood social events reflecting on how few people in the area there have gotten cancer.
Bottom line: conclusions need rigorous statistical analysis for a determination whether a cluster is significant or just the result of random variation.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2015 07:22 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 07:23 PM (7vjfd)
http://tinyurl.com/3r7waaw
Cyanide, Uranium, and Ammonium Nitrate: When Kids Really Had Fun With Science
"While some substances banned from chemistry sets are not dangerous when handled properly, no one wants to go back to the days when kids were allowed to play with uranium. In 1951, Gilbert released an “Atomic Energy Lab,” which contained three “very low-level” radioactive sources (alpha, beta, and gamma particles), a U-239 Geiger counter, a Wilson cloud chamber, a spinthariscope, four samples of uranium-bearing ores, and an electroscope to measure radioactivity."
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 07:23 PM (jBuUi)
http://tinyurl.com/qd3a43m
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 12, 2015 07:23 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 12, 2015 07:20 PM (NOIQH)
Except he'd have to read about it in the papers first, and since it isn't being covered....
Posted by: Titanium at August 12, 2015 07:23 PM (u9UgT)
Tell ya what- that mine's a lot cleaner now than before we got here!
Posted by: EPA
.........................
How are them hallways doing?
Posted by: wth at August 12, 2015 07:23 PM (wAQA5)
They can't remember what party she belongs to, since they never mention it.
Wonder what it could be?
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 12, 2015 07:24 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 12, 2015 07:25 PM (uNTa0)
Posted by: steevy at August 12, 2015 07:11 PM (sPO3u)
In grad school a guy placed a radioactivity symbol on the door of his van. He said it kept cops from giving him tickets. They took one look at the radioactivity trefoil, snapped the citation book closed and split.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2015 07:25 PM (oKE6c)
It may take a living sacrifice of suitable stature to appease the Dark Angel, but, hey, par for the course.
[P'raps beside the point is that The Navajo Nation is down stream, so they may not have all their options at hand.)
Posted by: I never had sex with that Alinsky, not one time at August 12, 2015 07:26 PM (5SpFk)
Posted by: Bosk at August 12, 2015 07:26 PM (n2K+4)
Speak for yourself, buddy.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:27 PM (39g3+)
Yeah, that kit has been featured on the ONT as a topic before.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 12, 2015 07:28 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: 29Victor at August 12, 2015 07:28 PM (UF0Iv)
Posted by: The Gourmet at August 12, 2015 07:28 PM (BxiNw)
Based on the federal government's previous treatment of Navajo in the area, it makes them less likely to be concerned about pollution.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:28 PM (39g3+)
I actually had one of those quite a bit later. (No Geiger counter in it, though; that's WAY too expensive. IIRC it had a scintillator screen that flashed as alpha particles hit it.)
It was great fun, as was my chemistry set, which led to me pursuing a career in chemistry.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2015 07:29 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 12, 2015 07:14 PM (oFCZn)
Sure, let them in thru the back door.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 12, 2015 07:30 PM (fgSDS)
Ask an Indian first.
Posted by: NOT A Real Indian at August 12, 2015 07:31 PM (5SpFk)
Basically, idiots.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at August 12, 2015 07:32 PM (DLu2s)
Speak for yourself, buddy.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:27 PM (39g3+)
Yeah, really.
There's nothing wrong with uranium. I wouldn't bat an eyelash if my kids had done that.
The major source of radiation damage? Cosmic rays. (IIRC, they're largely responsible for the onset of birth defects in infants born to older mothers. Those eggs have been irradiated for a long time by then, and have problems as a consequence.)
And where are cosmic rays most intense? In the upper atmosphere, so aircraft personnel are the most irradiated.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2015 07:33 PM (oKE6c)
At friends place getting looked after.
Thanks to Donna and the &&&, Anonymous Drival, and Fenelon for prayers and best wishes.
Gotta go. Still feeling stupid (they just write themselves don't they) and no way to charge fone here.
Love each other fellow babies
Posted by: teej at August 12, 2015 07:34 PM (mJRr3)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 12, 2015 07:34 PM (fgSDS)
Ammonium nitrate, aka "fertilizer." Used to be freely available in 50 lb. bags before that a-hole McVeigh came along.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2015 07:35 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 12, 2015 07:35 PM (rwI+c)
OMG!?!?
DO NOT WATCH!
The horror!
Posted by: Cinnabar, not cinnamon at August 12, 2015 07:35 PM (5SpFk)
part of CO? Can they sue the EPA or will they all just blame it on evil
corporations?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Generally, the Western Slope of CO is very conservative especially compared to the front range with Denver, Boulder, etc.
A lot of cowboys and girls here who are not big fans of the govt. You will actually see hipster millenials bash Obama here.
Posted by: Cheri at August 12, 2015 07:37 PM (ZFPMM)
Posted by: George Jefferson at August 12, 2015 07:38 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 12, 2015 07:35 PM
Ha ha Iowahawk
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 12, 2015 07:38 PM (fgSDS)
At least the Navajo plan on taking legal action.
Posted by: eforhan at August 12, 2015 07:38 PM (jRUmR)
Posted by: Book of Amos Guy at August 12, 2015 07:39 PM (5SpFk)
If Bill Gates wants a drink right from the tap, I'd be happy to poop in his mouth.
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 07:39 PM (7vjfd)
I have a feeling that Utah's governor is going to file this away as example #2,368 of why Utah should have its federals lands returned to the state, where they rightfully belong. Because the biggest argument the govmint had keeping them federal was that they could do a better job managing them than the state could.
This kind of shoots that argument into space, no?
But I think they are requesting federal monies to help with the cleanup.
Posted by: LizLem at August 12, 2015 07:39 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Colorado Jay at August 12, 2015 07:39 PM (dgKBI)
Posted by: Colin at August 12, 2015 07:40 PM (+ZK9k)
Posted by: Little Dutch Boy at August 12, 2015 07:40 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Colorado Jay at August 12, 2015 07:41 PM (dgKBI)
......................
Weezy! This is the big one!
It very well may be, with no snark. Her last defense was that these emails were unclassified at the time she sent/received them; with that argument shredded so is she.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 12, 2015 07:41 PM (gyKtp)
NEED MORE MONEY! THIS ALL THE REPUBLICANS' FAULT! SAY "NO" TO REPUBLICAN
AUSTERITY! REPUBLICAN AUSTERITY CAUSED THIS! AND CONTRACTORS! AND
GLOBAL WARMING! ALSO, A VIDEO!
Posted by: Gina McTwat, EPA Misadministrator
Will the video have Jon Steward?
Posted by: But so what? at August 12, 2015 07:42 PM (7wyDO)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 12, 2015 07:43 PM (OSs/l)
Dude...Hillary will walk away from this totally unscathed. She is your next President. Get used to it. You can't shred her if the media is going to protect her, and they will....just watch. thats' why it is being dealt with now.
Posted by: Colorado Jay at August 12, 2015 07:44 PM (dgKBI)
Posted by: Bosk at August 12, 2015 07:26 PM (n2K+4)
*fist bump*
Me, from the year 2000
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 12, 2015 07:44 PM (oFCZn)
I didn't know teej went under the knife. Nobody tells me nothin.
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 07:45 PM (7vjfd)
Remember K19 Widowmaker when Harrison Ford sent his men into the reactor to die? Callous Ford was contrasted with compassionate Neeson.
In this totalitarian administration, Obama is as callous as Ford, if not more, and there is nothing approaching Neeson's character. These people are so vile.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 12, 2015 07:45 PM (IESRt)
237 I could have dealt with this better.
Posted by: Little Dutch Boy at August
Little Dutch Boy better make your way to Jimmy Carter. Sounds like he has some holes that need plugging.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 12, 2015 07:45 PM (fgSDS)
if you go to Knobels, amusement part heading out towards the center of PA (but not nearly that far) they have a "dark ride"/small roller coaster which includes zombie miners
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 12, 2015 07:46 PM (OSs/l)
Wasn't Love Canal not a problem until the company that had stored the
chemicals, in compliance with current laws, had to sell the property?
Sell the property to a local government that then proceeded to ignore
the warnings from the selling company?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 12, 2015 07:15 PM (uNTa0)
You should read the paper Facts vs Fears for the real story of the Love Canal debacle. The EPA studies were flawed, and in some cases so bad they disagreed with themselves. The government later found that there really was no problem with the and sold the houses back to the public again. That was after Occidental Chemical had settled out of court for $129M.
And they had nothing to do with the phony problem.
Posted by: Vic at August 12, 2015 07:46 PM (GpgJl)
la nooda
Posted by: Soothie Wants To See All The Pretty Horses at August 12, 2015 07:46 PM (7vjfd)
Posted by: The Bullet Farmer at August 12, 2015 07:47 PM (WhfU/)
Posted by: Gina McTwat, EPA Misadministrator
.................................
Call me, let's have lunch.
Posted by: Loretta Pinch, AA, Dept. of Injustice at August 12, 2015 07:50 PM (wAQA5)
No, i don't think so. Obama and Val Jar have it in for her. I think at some point she'll withdraw from the race so Lizzie can be the next "historic first" and saaaaaave the country. I don't think she''ll face jail a trial or jail time, but I think she''l be "urged" by various Dems to throw in the towel.
Plus, I dislike this talk of "get used to it". If she's the nominee you get people to show up outside every one of her appearances with signs, you put signs on your cars, you put signs outside your house if you say :"It's a dine deal" you might as well roll over. In fact, such a defeatist attitude is just what the Dems want.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 12, 2015 07:51 PM (OSs/l)
Navajo tourism slogan
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 12, 2015 07:34 PM (fgSDS)
Heh heh heh. "Sluts." Heh heh heh.
Posted by: Beavis at August 12, 2015 07:52 PM (EHU9F)
Maybe "Get used to it" is a little over the top, but look....if history tells us anything, the people who hold the real power in deciding who the president is, have always wanted Hillary, have set it up for her to win, and in my opinion this little speed bump will be forgotten about by Christmas...by design.
if the country truly rejects her and they think they can't pull it off without making it obvious they cheated, then Jeb Bush is your next President. They have it out for Trump, and that's who I want, but I just don't think he can survive the Shit Storm that's coming his way.
Posted by: Colorado Jay at August 12, 2015 07:56 PM (dgKBI)
The river is back to pre spill condition. U huh, sssssuuuuurrre! They should bottle that "safe water" and make federal employees use it, them we'll see if they stick to that talking point.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 12, 2015 07:59 PM (xVgrA)
But that's just me.
Posted by: Badda Bing at August 12, 2015 08:10 PM (/Vs1e)
Posted by: Burnt Toast
Link to a skeptic's guide to CAGW in my nic.
It's a PDF, so fair notice.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 12, 2015 08:16 PM (ZCFje)
Posted by: Unaccountable gubmint do-nothing at August 12, 2015 08:19 PM (OO0m2)
Posted by: notsothoreau at August 12, 2015 08:19 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: zombie at August 12, 2015 06:56 PM (jBuUi)
Well, the exclusion zone around Chernobyl is teeming with wildlife, and few, if any, two-headed deer to be seen. The actual reactor site will stay hot for centuries, but that is a tiny area.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 12, 2015 08:19 PM (IAqcp)
My plan would be for the EPA assholes to be forced to wear hip boots and manually sift through the river to help pull out the contaminants.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 12, 2015 08:26 PM (f7eH8)
Well, the exclusion zone around Chernobyl is
teeming with wildlife, and few, if any, two-headed deer to be seen. The
actual reactor site will stay hot for centuries, but that is a tiny
area.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 12, 2015 08:19 PM (IAqcp)
Perfect site for the new UN building.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 12, 2015 08:27 PM (oKE6c)
What about that four legged chicken from there? The Bundys say it would grow back if you left it around a clock.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 12, 2015 08:27 PM (f7eH8)
The really horrible thing is that if a private company did this it would be completely destroyed in every way and all its owners and debtors would lose everything. But since its the government that did this no one, no one will lose anything except to fail up.
That's enough for now, time to put in my resume to the EPA so I can fail up too.
Posted by: Ben H at August 12, 2015 08:36 PM (gJEsZ)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 12, 2015 07:27 PM (39g3+)
I once had a grapefruit-sized hunk of pitchblende ore from Uranium City (Saskatchewan) that was hot enough to peg out a scintillometer set on the highest scale. It got lost. I haz a sad every time I think about it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 12, 2015 08:37 PM (IAqcp)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 12, 2015 08:40 PM (f7eH8)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 12, 2015 08:40 PM (f7eH
Lost in a move. Probably got thrown out by the new tenant, to whom it would simply appear to be a black rock with some coal in it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 12, 2015 08:44 PM (IAqcp)
This is akin to someone predicting a stock market crash and it then happening. You dont know exact percentage or damage, but you know something would happen.
As with the GOP leadership, when the 'experts' act so incompetently, you wonder if the 'incompetence' is actually deliberate Failure.
Failure Theatre, superfund-style. Solution: Take it away from the Feds and give it to the state to clean up. State should sue the EPA for incompetence and demand they leave town. They've down enough damage.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at August 12, 2015 08:47 PM (yTnTP)
Oh, and just heard on the news that waste is flowing at 500 to 700 gpm. The dude said in his letter the flow would be 500gpm. Just saying.
Posted by: KauaiGoneGin at August 12, 2015 10:10 PM (uWaQa)
Dilution is the Solution to Pollution.
That being said, the geologist was entirely correct. The only difference between his prediction and reality is that the EPA got a little bit "overexcited" and blew their load prematurely.
Posted by: Brendan at August 12, 2015 11:03 PM (gkvx9)
Posted by: speedster1 at August 12, 2015 11:13 PM (1brdf)
"A week before The EPA disastrously leaked millions of gallons of toxic waste into The Animas River in Colorado, this letter to the editor was published in The Silverton Standard & The Miner local newspaper, authored by a retired geologist detailing verbatim, how EPA would foul the Animas River on purpose in order to secure superfund
money..."
Yes.
Zero Hedge: http://tinyurl.com/opbs2g7
Posted by: ahem at August 12, 2015 11:37 PM (lKGzI)
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