Ann Coulter: Nikki Haley Is an Immigrant Who Doesn't Understand American History

I was a fan of Ann Coulter's a long time ago, and I resist the pot-shots on her that have become fashionable among the Establishment-oriented crowd. I don't like when people get the Mean Girls idea that it's open season on someone simply because they're no longer In Fashion among the It Crowd.

But I am shaking my head at this claim by Coulter's. First of all, Haley is not in fact an immigrant -- she was born here. Perhaps Coulter meant to say, more accurately, that Haley is first generation, or that her parents were immigrants.

But I would still have to reject the Essentialist nature of that argument -- the implication that only "true Americans," born here, made of this blood and this soil, can understand America.

America is not chiefly about a place. Our physical location is happenstance. It is not about blood or soil. It is not about race. America is an idea -- and ideal.

The reason America is in decline is because far too many born-and-raised Americans do not understand America.

Talk to Charles C.W. Cooke sometime. (No seriously, I recommend it. He sounds like Ringo, if Ringo Starr were the producer of the Mark Levin show.) A five minute conversation with Cooke will demonstrate that America is not born in the blood but awakened in the spirit. The man speaks fluently about the Federalist Papers and DeToqueville and why he's a Madison partisan and not so much a Hamiltonian.

This glib and retrograde idea that Nikki Haley just can't quite get it because she wasn't born here -- even though, you know, she was born here -- seems to itself be lacking in an understanding of what America is.

Coulter may disagree with Haley all she likes -- though I have to say Coulter's point that the Confederate battle flag didn't officially fly over any official Confederate buildings is noticeably weak. It's just a battle flag for the Confederacy, she informs us, as if this makes any distinction at all in the analysis of the situation.

Oh, it's merely that? Well. That changes everything then doesn't it?

Coulter has -- still has, I trust -- a very sharp mind. Because she is sharp, she has typically not had to resort to the sorts of stupid and crude arguments that stupid and crude people are forced to make, finding no others available to them.

But if she's now going down the road of asserting than an "immigrant" (who is not an immigrant) really can't understand America like the native-born can (even though many native-born Americans seem to want to kick American tradition to the cub and go full-on decadent European socialism), then I'll have to conclude that she has become more than merely unfashionable, but instead simply... not worth reading.

If someone said to Coulter, "You're just a whitebread girl from Connecticut, what do you know of America?," I imagine she'd have a pointed two-word rebuttal, and that rebuttal would be well-justified.

Why is Nikki Haley then to be dismissed based upon the accident of her own birth?

But that's just my take; you be the judge.

I hope she'll reconsider this poorly-thought-out line of argument.

Conservative pundit Ann Coulter said on Tuesday night that South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) is unqualified to deal with her state's use of the Confederate flag because she’s an "immigrant."
"I'd really like to like Nikki Haley since she is a Republican, but on the other hand, she’s an immigrant and does not understand America’s history," Coulter told host Kennedy on her Fox Business show Tuesday evening.
"You think immigrants can't understand history?" Kennedy asked.
"Well, she doesn't," Coulter responded. "The Confederate flag we’re talking about never flew over an official Confederate building."
"It was a battle flag -- it is to honor Robert E. Lee," she added. "Anyone who knows the first thing about military history knows that there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate Army."

I oppose our current nearly-open-borders immigration scam for a lot of reasons, but a major reason is this: The current temperament of the world is anti-assimilationist and anti-American.

Previous waves of immigrants came in during periods where it was widely believed that assimilation was good, because America itself was good. Now foreign immigrants are being taught -- as native-born Americans are being taught -- that America is shameful and needs to be rejected, torn down, and even, as one anti-American, communist-sympathizing foreign critic said, "fundamentally transformed."*

Immigrants are no longer being encouraged to give up their old hatreds -- their old, unsettled wars -- carried over from their former countries. Now they're being taught that Tribal Identity is the only true identity, and that any adopted identity, such as Americanism, is a sham propagated by, most likely, Jews.

Nor are they being encouraged to give up the political biases they suffered under in their home countries, chiefly socialism and authoritarianism. Strong Men on White Horses increasing the Chocolate Rations out of their undying love for the people.

Previous swarms of immigrants came over fleeing communism, despising it, cherishing freedom and openness and a government that kept out of their way.

Is that what the current immigrants want, in the main? The Democrat Party-- long covertly agitating for socialism, now overtly doing so -- sure seems to think the new immigrants will vote more socialist governments into power, because they're sure salivating at those new fundamentally-transforming votes.

Thus we have a country in which immigrants are now taking America further and further from itself, from the actual idea of America.

Coulter probably agrees with all that, and, as I believe all that too, I couldn't call her off-base for believing it, obviously.

But this idea that we can look at an "immigrant" (who is not an immigrant) and simply dismiss her political conclusions because she's an "immigrant (even though she's not)?

That is off-base. That's just Nativist and Essentialist -- only the native-born are truly American; only those born with the essence of America in their blood can understand America.

And frankly, that sounds a lot like the Tribal Identity Politics that I don't like in the newer classes of immigrants.

* Well someone finally caught this. I explain here, if you care.

Basically, I know how much this bothers the left, so I don't mind tossing out the occasional provocation on this front.

Posted by: Ace at 01:27 PM

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1 -The reason America is in decline is because far too many born-and-raised Americans do not understand America.-

A-FREAKIN'-MEN.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at June 24, 2015 01:29 PM (SCcgT)

2 Coulter is in it only to sell books.

Controversy sells books.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 24, 2015 01:29 PM (7ObY1)

3 I'd hit it, either or both at once.

And Charles Cooke is a useless foreign squish whose opinion is not worth a bucket of warm spit.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 24, 2015 01:30 PM (rwI+c)

4
Coulter should have said Haley is an ignorant panderer with no sense of history.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 24, 2015 01:30 PM (eoeps)

5 I don't mean to sound like I'm defending Haley. Governing hormonally (I couldn't face my children!) instead of by principle is not good. Giving in to the demands of the Mob is reprehensible.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 24, 2015 01:31 PM (7ObY1)

6 "Anyone who knows the first thing about military history knows that there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate Army."

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Sherman and Grant may disagree.

And so should Patton.

Posted by: SH at June 24, 2015 01:31 PM (gmeXX)

7 Ann Coulter Shouts down Sean Hannity. She's no longer bearable.

I used to be a fan of hers as well but she's like an O'reilly that won't stop yelling.

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at June 24, 2015 01:32 PM (MV2jA)

8 Is Ann still a Christie supporter?

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 24, 2015 01:32 PM (OD2ni)

9 Sherman was a war criminal....

Posted by: Mr Wizard at June 24, 2015 01:32 PM (eOpVe)

10 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 24, 2015 01:32 PM (kff5f)

11 I usually like Coulter, but she needs to apologize quickly.

Posted by: Avi at June 24, 2015 01:32 PM (Gx3Fe)

12 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 24, 2015 01:32 PM (kff5f)

13 Ann Coulter has jumped the shark on this one. She is yapping just to yap.

Which is too bad, because it just destroys her credibility on other issues.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 24, 2015 01:33 PM (OB/ib)

14 It sells books. One of her books was full of crap about the Scotch Irish. She is an English Supremacist.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 01:33 PM (C5Jpx)

15 America's greatness is that we were a melting pot.

But a melting pot doesn't allow for identity politics, so progressives are trying to destroy that.

Coulter disappoints me here.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 24, 2015 01:33 PM (wtvvX)

16 Now the Prog Mob is going after the Dukes of Hazzard. They want to ban all sales of General Lee toys.

1. Does anyone actually still buy General Lee toys?

2. Nobody puts Daisy in a corner.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 24, 2015 01:33 PM (7ObY1)

17 Not going here again,

cya

Posted by: just saying at June 24, 2015 01:33 PM (wkuqO)

18 Yes, waiter, we ordered the extra large distraction!

Posted by: TEH GORP at June 24, 2015 01:33 PM (fYgrm)

19 "Anyone who knows the first thing about military history knows that
there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate
Army."

This is stupid in the extreme.

I am sort of embarrassed for Coulter.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at June 24, 2015 01:33 PM (Zu3d9)

20 >> Is Ann still a Christie supporter?

She had a woody for Mitch McConnell, too.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 24, 2015 01:34 PM (O7MnT)

21 America is not chiefly about a place. Our physical location is happenstance. It is not about blood or soil. It is not about race. America is an idea -- and ideal.

The reason America is in decline is because far too many born-and-raised Americans do not understand America.
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Right. Many the immigrant from some socialist hell hole understands America better than the majority of current college graduates.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 24, 2015 01:34 PM (XUKZU)

22 I like Cooke, but he is essentially a light conservative who apparently doesn't understand the import of the tools detailed in the founding documents.

He's one of those guys who says we've got to wait until we have 60 GOP senators, the House and the Exec and then, REALLY THEN GUYS, we can start to fight.

He's a good read. But when it comes to actually having the streetfights, sadly he's missing. Or calling for "calm" as those actually in the fight are getting stabbed in the back by the GOPe and in the front by the SJW nutjobs.

No, what we need now is more of the Breitbart flavor. Fuck you. War.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 01:34 PM (q5APL)

23 Sherman and Grant may disagree.

And so should Patton.

Seriously. If it weren't for poor Union Generalship, and the Confederacy's internal lines of communication, the war wouldn't have lasted a year. Too much territory to defend, too few troops to do it with. My Grandfather's father got pushed all the way across Georgia through SC because they could muster enough men to stop him, and guard Richmond at the same time.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 24, 2015 01:34 PM (rwI+c)

24 Here we go....how long before Ann's a man? Both Ann and Haley are out of my circle of trust btw

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 24, 2015 01:34 PM (0O7c5)

25 Like a blind hog, Coulter sometimes finds an acorn. The rest of the time she wallows in shit.

Posted by: maddogg at June 24, 2015 01:35 PM (xWW96)

26
6 "Anyone who knows the first thing about military history knows that there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate Army."

The Army of Northern Viginia was certainly up there, but the rest of the confederate army , especially in the west was a joke.

Posted by: Avi at June 24, 2015 01:35 PM (Gx3Fe)

27 I like Haley.
But if Coulter would rephrase that to say that to Americans who have roots stretching back to the Civil War, the Confederate flag may have deep personal meaning unrelated to slavery, then I would agree with Coulter.

Posted by: @votermom at June 24, 2015 01:35 PM (cbfNE)

28 Don't worry, the millions upon millions of Mexican peasants streaming over our borders will take care of all this unpleasantness.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 24, 2015 01:35 PM (mqYFN)

29 >>>Is Ann still a Christie supporter?

donald trump, actually. I was pretty surprised. But she is very anti-amnesty, and on this point, I give her some slack: We can pretend the other candidates are anti-amnesty, but... we know we are pretending.

I do not hold it against her that she takes her position to its logical conclusion. Someone like me, who is toying with the possibilities of Rubio, or Walker, or even Cruz, is NOT taking my position to the logical conclusion.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:35 PM (bhepQ)

30 This is stupid in the extreme.

I am sort of embarrassed for Coulter.

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It really is. She could have easily just said, many militarian historians agree that the army of the South was a great army.

Posted by: SH at June 24, 2015 01:35 PM (gmeXX)

31 the immigrant line was Haley's, she uses it to show that she understands the immigrant life. Coulter is using that to attack haley for it. Haley is soft on immigration. However the report that Haley misconstrued the purpose of the flag and combining with her softness on immigration is a weak point.

Posted by: ron at June 24, 2015 01:35 PM (xytVe)

32 "Anyone who knows the first thing about military history knows that
there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate
Army."

DDay invasion participants might disagree.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 24, 2015 01:35 PM (OB/ib)

33
"Ann Coulter Shouts down Sean Hannity. She's no longer bearable."

Uh oh. Is she no longer a great American? Does Hannity still pull that schtick?

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 24, 2015 01:35 PM (OD2ni)

34 I am anxiously waiting for the Val Jar is a commie post.

Posted by: booter at June 24, 2015 01:36 PM (Lg1F3)

35 20>> Beat me to it. Great? Yes. Greatest? No so much.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2015 01:36 PM (i0ykY)

36 I've been turned off the last couple of years by Coulter. I get the feeling that she's not entirely a true conservative and that she's good at portraying herself as one and making money off of it.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 01:36 PM (0eidE)

37 To win the culture war, you must first fight it.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 24, 2015 01:36 PM (wtvvX)

38 "I'll have to conclude that she has become more than merely unfashionable, but instead simply worthless."

One lame opinion does not make someone worthless - to be thrown in the trash. Coulter has a long history of advancing conservative thought. Maybe she had a brain tumor the day she made the Nikki Haley quote. Not worthless.

Posted by: Old Hob at June 24, 2015 01:36 PM (VRc/p)

39 I cannot freaking type today.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 24, 2015 01:36 PM (rwI+c)

40 And BTW, is it time to start calling for the ban of the "Democrat" party.

I'm saying this seriously, no political party in America is more aligned with racism and slavery and jim crow than the "Democrat" party.

Punch back TWICE as hard.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 01:36 PM (q5APL)

41 That's an idiotic argument similar to "your opinion of issue X doesn't count because you've never experienced X."

Posted by: Titanium at June 24, 2015 01:36 PM (oDFTq)

42 Lately, people have been ignoring Ann Coulter. Wouldn't surprise me to learn her pocketbook has taken a hit from the lack of interest in her.

I see this as a "Hey, look at me, wingnuts! I'm still here!!11!!" moment for the former Voice-ette of True Conservatism (who only went off the rails a few times, but what the hell....).

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2015 01:36 PM (P8YHq)

43 It's usually people that have come here from places like South America or Russia that give me a new appreciation for this Country, as they remind me of what's great about it.

And how Obama is scaring the living crap outta them.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 24, 2015 01:36 PM (sH832)

44 What happened to all the leftists poking fun at Coulter for being some sort of tranny with a huge Adams apple. Has this fallen out of fashion as an insult? How odd.

Posted by: Mr. T's Special Frosted 5.56 Flakes at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (Myx/7)

45 Khazar Trolls gotta spread their ignorance. It was a great relief when the magic underwear mafia left here.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (C5Jpx)

46 Instead of boycotting Amazon, what if we all joined Amazon prime, and ordered,and returned heavy and expensive items?

Posted by: Avi at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (Gx3Fe)

47 I hope she corrects this stupid thing, though she hates to admit error. She jumps to conclusions in everyday thought, which is really bad when its compounded by the fact she makes a living being very provocative.

If this isn't walked back her career as a pundit could be toast.

Posted by: MTF at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (5ZRXN)

48 Typically to be considered the greatest - you have to win.

That doesn't mean that losers cannot be great - but you will usually not get the greatest designation.

But that is just my opinion.

Posted by: SH at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (gmeXX)

49 This idea that once you tag base here in america, you're a yankee doodle dandy is kind of silly. What gen were Flashbang and Speedbump? John Malvo? Maj Hassan?

I can agree that Haley may not necessarily have the south in her blood to appreciate the CFB. But I am more worried about Haley falling in line with the weekly leftist social panic.

Then again, Ann shouldn't care about the CFB that much, it seems the dnc was putting it up in the south in a desperate bid to keep voters. Sort of a hey, remember us? Them GOP fellers killed your great granddaddy?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (Iv/Hw)

50 Ann Coulter is sounding more and more like that annoying little shit of an ankle biting dog that will not stop barking.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (DlmoZ)

51 Her statements are incorrect, inflammatory, and hyperbolic. Disagree with her assessment.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (/Ho8c)

52 Yup. All of this.

When I first heard about this, I thought someone was parodying Coulter because Coulter may be many things but mouth breathingly stupid is not one of them. Yeah, about that.

I'm sure everyone saw that WaPo was tweeting out a story about Bobby Jindal with the punchy pull quote that "There's not much Indian left in Bobby Jindal". The defense was oh that's a quote from the article. Well, yes. An article that was all about how oh so terrible it is that Jindal says he's an American, not a hyphenated anything. Because, you see, saying hey I'm an American is now somehow terrible and evil and awful and against the one drop rule.

I'm still trying to figure out just who it is who gets to decide what the characteristics are to be a "true" member of a group. Because it seems to me that those standards nudge very close to the line of negative stereotypes.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (mf5HN)

53 I stopped paying attention to Coulter in 2012 when she got stupid about Romney.

She's still useful for a soundbite on occasion.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (xSCb6)

54 >>>Right. Many the immigrant from some socialist hell hole understands America better than the majority of current college graduates.

one phenomenon we used to see was immigrants explaining america to us -- like that Hungarian man, I think he did an ad for romney, explaining why he despised socialism.

A lot of immigrants basically had to come here and explain how really good we had it, and how truly rotten other systems of government were. Like, we knew this, but only abstractly. They would come over and give their life stories and we would better understand the gritty details of it.

Is that happening now? Are immigrants now coming here to tell us how great America is?

Or are they coming to tell us that America is evil and must be changed so the world can live in peace?

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM (bhepQ)

55 The Democrats never abandoned their racism, they just found a way to make it work for them.

Posted by: maddogg at June 24, 2015 01:38 PM (xWW96)

56 If this isn't walked back her career as a pundit could be toast.

Somehow, she kept getting interviews and she kept selling books after her "raghead" comment. She will never go away.

Posted by: The Barrel at June 24, 2015 01:38 PM (MT22W)

57 Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:35 PM (bhepQ)

No...I won't cut her slack for this one.

Anti-Amnesty is one thing (I am extremely anti-Amnesty)....Being a Nativist is something altogether different and is just ridiculous.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2015 01:38 PM (Zu3d9)

58 That's an idiotic argument similar to "your opinion of issue X doesn't count because you've never experienced X."

Posted by: Titanium

You just don't understand the South because you're not from here.

Posted by: Huh. at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM (VAsIq)

59 Sherman was a war criminal....

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Sherman's advice about who in the south needed killing was pretty cold blooded. See Shrouds of Glory by Winston Groom. (Yes, that Winston Groom. He published a number of popular histories. Shrouds of Glory may be my favorite.)

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM (XUKZU)

60 Invading Europe was a war crime.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM (C5Jpx)

61 Yesterday morning I was sitting in a diner waiting for my car to be inspected down the street, and found myself sitting next to a table of seasoned citizens.

From overhearing them, I realized that they were all Low-information Conservatives.

One liked Cruz, a couple liked Walker, but all of them agreed that Trump is their man.

Why do I say they were low-info conservatives? For starters, they thought that Common Core is a conservative program designed to "hold teachers accountable."

SMH. The rest of their conversation was similarly depressing.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM (7ObY1)

62 "Thus we have a country in which immigrants are now taking America
further and further from itself, from the actual idea of America."

And indeed where immigrants are actively contesting the idea that America should even be _allowed to continue to exist as presently geographically constituted_.

Someone from the "Reconquista" movement called while you were out. Something about some "Aztlan" place. They said they'd call back.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM (noWW6)

63 31 >>>Is Ann still a Christie supporter?

donald trump, actually. I was pretty surprised. But she is very anti-amnesty, and on this point, I give her some slack: We can pretend the other candidates are anti-amnesty, but... we know we are pretending.

I do not hold it against her that she takes her position to its logical conclusion. Someone like me, who is toying with the possibilities of Rubio, or Walker, or even Cruz, is NOT taking my position to the logical conclusion.

***

The Donald surprized some folks with his platform.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM (Iv/Hw)

64 Well when she said "we" I was like, "Who's we, dear?"

Her family came here LONG after the war.

But so did a lot of other folks.

I think the best thing to do here is leave it up to the people of South Carolina. If they want to move the flag or take it down, fine. But the last thing they should do is cave in to a bunch of snot-nosed fucks from up North who rolled into town for a week and who will be gone like the wind soon.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM (oFCZn)

65
Dear @politico: Republicans were for taking down that flag a lot earlier than Democrats–150 years earlier. https://t.co/XNWivgLVF3

Robert Tracinski (@Tracinski) June 23, 2015

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM (rwI+c)

66 I'm willing to be that Haley knows a tad more about the history of South Carolina than Ann. I like Coulter but if she wanted to be helpful on this issue she should have pointed out that it was a Democrat who put the flag up in the first place and Republicans who are taking it down.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM (g1DWB)

67 >>>I see this as a "Hey, look at me, wingnuts! I'm still here!!11!!" moment for the former Voice-ette of True Conservatism (who only went off the rails a few times, but what the hell....).

i've never really bought into this idea, peddled on both left and right, that Coulter was merely an attention-seeker.

Obviously, she is a provocatrix, but I never bought the idea that she's only about provocation. She is about provocation with a purpose -- an important distinction.

that is, I think she believes what she says, and thinks provocation is the best way to get that out there.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM (bhepQ)

68 Too much is being made of this. Coulter made a mistake in calling Haley an immigrant but she does have a broader point. Why would we expect a foreign national fresh off the plane (or boat) to be immersed in American culture and history?
Will most of them bother to try to do that after coming here? Probably not, especially these days. They will go about the business of getting a job (hopefully) and setting up their lives. Their core ideological beliefs will remain the same, mostly shaped by their native country. In our case that means most new arrivals will vote for more government.
Anyone who denies this is happening is fucking dreaming. An immigrant WOULD have an entirely different take on the rebel flag and what it means and it not controversial in the least to point that out. Saying Coulter is "worthless" because she mis-characterized a politicians immigration status is absurd.

Posted by: James Lingk at June 24, 2015 01:40 PM (Bcqod)

69 you know, some folks come to america and don't assimilate. Of course, it seems that Haley did.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:40 PM (Iv/Hw)

70 I guess we need to throw Coulter in the trash on top of Cruz. Purge we must!!

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 24, 2015 01:40 PM (CCNCh)

71 Gavin McInness piles on too.

GAVIN MCINNESS OUT-COULTERS ANN COULTER

http://therightscoop.com/gavin-mcinness-out-coulters-ann-coulter/

I don't get it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 24, 2015 01:40 PM (qCMvj)

72 >>>Then again, Ann shouldn't care about the CFB that much, it seems the dnc was putting it up in the south in a desperate bid to keep voters. Sort of a hey, remember us? Them GOP fellers killed your great granddaddy?

hah-- you're right, aren't you? Good observation.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:41 PM (bhepQ)

73
"I like Cooke, but he is essentially a light conservative who apparently doesn't understand the import of the tools detailed in the founding documents."

I don't know. I think Cooke has a good understanding of the first two amendments and schools progs on them pretty well. I don't like his Marquess of Queensbury approach to political disagreements, but that's a style issue, not substance.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 24, 2015 01:41 PM (OD2ni)

74 I guess we need to throw Coulter in the trash on top of Cruz. Purge we must!!

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I'm not in the purge camp - but this was a dumb statement. But to be honest, most times I have heard Coulter she is very even keel and really not that inflammatory.

Posted by: SH at June 24, 2015 01:41 PM (gmeXX)

75 Here's how an otherwise rational-type person explained this whole thing to me:

Nikki Haley used to be OK with flying this flag because corporations didn't have a problem with it. Now all of a sudden she says it has to be in a museum. And then there's the fact that she is always pretending that she's white.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 24, 2015 01:42 PM (eytER)

76 that is, I think she believes what she says, and thinks provocation is the best way to get that out there.

***

since every conservative idea is now met with a buzzfeed ready weekly leftist moral panic, an unapologetic conservative will come off to the moral panickers as ... unserious.

But this is helpful to us as it pushes the boundaries back away from the buzzfeed liberal moral panic brigade.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:42 PM (Iv/Hw)

77 I grew up in Appalachia. The confederate flag was flown or pasted on trucks , etc. as a symbol of resistance to the government . I never knew anyone who said they were sporting the confederate flag because they wanted everyone to know they hated blacks.
I even knew black folks who displayed confederate flags.

Then it was co opted by liberals who insisted that it was the symbol of racist whites....they missed the white sheets Byrd sported....

Posted by: Jen the original at June 24, 2015 01:42 PM (OB/ib)

78 Seriously. If it weren't for poor Union
Generalship, and the Confederacy's internal lines of communication, the
war wouldn't have lasted a year. Too much territory to defend, too few
troops to do it with. My Grandfather's father got pushed all the way
across Georgia through SC because they could muster enough men to stop
him, and guard Richmond at the same time.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 24, 2015 01:34 PM (rwI+c)

Growing up, we had a board game called "Civil War". It was kinda like Risk. Each side had boats and soldiers, with railroad lines that you could move the troops on vs. simply "marching" them.
As I recall, the "North" player had more troops and ships, but the "South" player had more railroads and could move faster. It was a neat game...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 24, 2015 01:42 PM (wtvvX)

79 I'm sure everyone saw that WaPo was tweeting out a
story about Bobby Jindal with the punchy pull quote that "There's not
much Indian left in Bobby Jindal". Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at June 24, 2015 01:37 PM

That's definitely not a quote you'll find in a WaPoo piece about Fauxcahontas Warren!

D'you suppose they have different attitudes toward Dots and Blankets, maybe?

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2015 01:42 PM (P8YHq)

80 Just more poo flinging to sell books. She isn't a Conservative.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 24, 2015 01:42 PM (+aCe4)

81 artisanal 'ette:

Those who are actually engaging in the culture wars have had enough.

We have one thing to say to the SJWs and the media:

Fuck you. War.

GamerGate started this spark. The puppies campaign in SciFi/F is adding to it.

That is the value of Trump. He has no qualms saying fuck you and he does it quite well. All the SJWs in the world can complain to corporate and guess what motherfuckers, Trump's name is staying on that building.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 01:43 PM (q5APL)

82 "Anyone who knows the first thing about military history knows that there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate Army."

None? Not any greater army EVER?

Like, say, the one that defeated Lee's army? Or maybe the one that landed on the shores of Normandy? How about the one that toppled Saddam in a matter of weeks? Might any of those be a greater army than the Confederate Army?

This kind of stupid, over-the-top, sensationalism is what got Coulter kicked out of the cool-kids clique in the first place. Yes, she's sharp. But her desire to be in-your-face about everything makes her much less effective than she would otherwise be.

This whole thing is stupid. If you want to say that a first generation American or an immigrant can't fully grasp Southern American Culture- specifically with regard to the reverence in which we hold the Confederate Soldier, that is a thing that can be said which is probably true.

It is also a thing which is wholly irrelevant.

Were I Nikki Haley... that would be really weird.

Were I in Nikki Haley's position, I would not have requested that the flag be moved. It was one thing for it to fly over the State House. Having been moved already, I feel that a proper respect for a people who saw themselves as honorably defending their homes and their Rights demands that we not forget them, not denigrate them, not treat them as some embarrassing relative we'd rather forget we had.

But I can also admit and understand that my respect, even reverence, for those boys who fought and died is often missed by others who see only Slavery. I am sad that they cannot see the rest. I am sad that they (apparently) do not realize that Slavery was practiced on both sides of the Mason-Dixon, and that the situation was highly complex. I am sad that they are ignorant of history- that Slavery was already ending, largely voluntarily, and that it was not Slavery in itself (because, "itself" is and was repugnant) that was being defended. But my sadness does not change the fact that they do have a problem with it.

Now, I would defend the flying of the flag. Nikki Haley obviously would not. But to say that she does so because she can't understand America, or because she's an "immigrant" is to confirm every negative thing Progressives say about Conservatives when it comes to race and immigration. It is indefensible and repugnant.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 24, 2015 01:43 PM (kff5f)

83
That's definitely not a quote you'll find in a WaPoo piece about Fauxcahontas Warren!

-
Warren has Indian coming out her ass.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 24, 2015 01:43 PM (XUKZU)

84 Foreigners always turn traitor.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 01:43 PM (C5Jpx)

85 Then again, Ann shouldn't care about the CFB that much, it seems the dnc was putting it up in the south in a desperate bid to keep voters. Sort of a hey, remember us? Them GOP fellers killed your great granddaddy?

hah-- you're right, aren't you? Good observation.

***

the vaunted evil gop southern strategy turns out to be another bit of lefty projection. Why do you think there's all those campaign buttons of Carter, Clinton, and who knows who else with CFB.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:43 PM (Iv/Hw)

86
America is not chiefly about a place. Our physical location is happenstance. It is not about blood or soil. It is not about race. America is an idea -- and ideal.

Very much this.

No. 1 Son was born in Germany but he could never be German because that is a matter of blood.

I point this out to my foreign friends whose children born here will grow up to be as American as my children.

America is an idea and that idea is under siege from within.

Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 01:44 PM (JtwS4)

87 Benji carver:

He was one of the backstabbers in the shutdown debate. Of course he never offered a solution of his own. Nor did he confirm the obvious "power of the purse" prerogative of the House.

Ridiculous.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 01:44 PM (q5APL)

88 As I recall, the "North" player had more troops and ships, but the "South" player had more railroads and could move faster. It was a neat game...

It's true. The South's ability to move armies from the east to west at need was of paramount importance. That's why Sherman took Atlanta, the rail hub of the South.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 24, 2015 01:44 PM (rwI+c)

89 O'Rally also talks out of his ass to sell books.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 01:44 PM (C5Jpx)

90 >>>Nikki Haley used to be OK with flying this flag because corporations didn't have a problem with it. Now all of a sudden she says it has to be in a museum. And then there's the fact that she is always pretending that she's white.

she's always pretending she's white? In what way?

She sure looks "white" to me, if white means pigmentation.

If white means european, she's not... except that the Aryans (indians) were probably (certainly?) among the mix of tribes that settled europe.

i don't get this. are you trolling or are you serious?

Are we to keep lists of Who the Real White People Are?

Or are you a reverse-racist, and want her to come out with a dot to brand herself as Indian?

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:45 PM (bhepQ)

91 Ann Coulter: Nikki Haley Is an Immigrant Who Doesn't Understand American History

This is most definitely the story of Obama. He may well have been born here, but the man is as alien a creature as ever stalked these shores.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 24, 2015 01:45 PM (zF6Iw)

92 Just a second. I'm going to need coffee to get through. . .ok, wait up. I'm already a hundred comments behind and I haven't even read the post.

Wait for me! I want to play too!

Posted by: Lons Templist at June 24, 2015 01:45 PM (Za1ir)

93 "foreign critic," ace?

ay yi yi.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 24, 2015 01:45 PM (Zur5p)

94 It is a fact that the CBF was not a symbol of hate. Never was. It is the leftards who have tried to make it a symbol of hate. It IS a symbol of resistance to the federal government, that is true.

Posted by: maddogg at June 24, 2015 01:45 PM (xWW96)

95 Haley is a pretty hardcore American.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2015 01:46 PM (iQIUe)

96 First off, I want to make it clear that I find the suggestion that a flag--a FLAG--is responsible for the reprehensible murder of innocents as they worshipped. That said, I don't care much for the Confederate flag and certainly see how many of my fellow Americans view it as a painful reminder of when we as a nation failed to live up to our ideals. That is why six months from now I have asked that the issue of whether or not to fly the Battle Flag of the Confederacy on certain government properties be voted on by the citizens of South Carolina. I know which way I'm voting, but I will happily abide by the citizens of my state.

Posted by: What Nikki should have said at June 24, 2015 01:46 PM (VAsIq)

97 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet

Nicely said, AllenG.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 24, 2015 01:46 PM (/Ho8c)

98 I like Ann in general. She's a good attack dog in the battle against the leftys. That being said, she jumped the shark on Nikki and the Confederate flag fiasco.

Posted by: Hank at June 24, 2015 01:46 PM (e2GNw)

99 meh. Ginning up outrage seems to be the fashion of the day. It sells and it gets people talking.

I am outrageously outraged righteously at the outrage du jour.

Posted by: Fritz at June 24, 2015 01:46 PM (Z4m5D)

100 The confederate army was ill equipped. All of the industrial capacity was in the north.
The whole reason the battle of Gettysburg ensued is because Gen. Lee was looking for shoes for his army.
Shoes.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 24, 2015 01:47 PM (JgC5a)

101 Coulter made a mistake in calling Haley an immigrant

Agreed. She should apologize.

but she does have a
broader point.

Which is now obscured by the obvious stupidity of what she said. Why stupid? See below.

Why would we expect a foreign national fresh off the
plane (or boat) to be immersed in American culture and history?

In light of Haley's obvious intelligence, and given the level of education in American history and government we provide to our citizens, I'd bet Haley knows more of those topics than 99% of the native born.

Again, Coulter erred here and should apologize.

Posted by: pep at June 24, 2015 01:47 PM (GMG6W)

102 >>>"foreign critic," ace?

ay yi yi.

...

i did that to be provocative.

but I was thinking, an foreigner can be American in spirit, and therefore an American can be foreign in spirit.

Obama is certainly a foreigner in spirit.

Hell, his 2008 campaign sold him as a cosmopolitan ciitizen of the world.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:47 PM (bhepQ)

103 But I would still have to reject the Essentialist nature of that argument -- the implication that only "true Americans," born here, made of this blood and this soil, can understand America.

Not just born here, but with parents who were both Americans. That's the whole poihnt of the "natural born citizen" requirement in the Constitution.

And ... no, most people in the rest of the world do NOT understand how America or AMerican governmental architecture works. America has always been distinctly unique in our governance and remains so ... until recently, really, when it's all been trashed and tossed aside.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 01:48 PM (MYSVz)

104 Ann Coulter: Nikki Haley Is an Immigrant Who Doesn't Understand American History

This is most definitely the story of Obama. He may well have been born here, but the man is as alien a creature as ever stalked these shores.

***

If there's ever a monster in America, it's the offspring of a liberal socialist and a foreign socialist. No regard for US history, assumes we're all evil, that we need to be changed. And hey, US is a country of immigrants, let's just dilute the bathwater. So, now, USA is a country that's yet to be, based on who Obama can drag here from hellholes and from south of the border, not the people who, u know, put up the roads, bridges, teachers, firefighters in the first place.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:48 PM (Iv/Hw)

105 Anyone who knows the first thing about military history knows that there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate Army."

Napoleon, Grant, Sherman, Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, et al.

Sorry, dummy.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 24, 2015 01:48 PM (fwARV)

106 No. 1 Son was born in Germany but he could never be German because that is a matter of blood.

I point this out to my foreign friends whose children born here will grow up to be as American as my children.

America is an idea and that idea is under siege from within.

Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 01:44 PM (JtwS4)

A few friends of mine are naturalized citizens. Each one of them said the same thing:

"If you come here and become an American, you're an American and you're treated like any other American. In my country? Not so much. You CAN become a citizen, but you're viewed as a second-class, or inferior citizen to those who are born there."

Each one of them said that this a uniquely American idea. Good thing we're fundamentally transforming that idea, amirite? Unrelated: any word on when SMOD will actually arrive?

Posted by: The Barrel at June 24, 2015 01:48 PM (MT22W)

107
Ann Coulter AnnCoulter
2d gen immigrant, as she constantly brags. Maj. Nidal Hasan, Anwar al-Awlaki, Octomom -we R getting the best ppl!

Ok, she's an idiot.

But let me tell you, when the bedroom door closes, she's a freak. Does some things that would shock a German prostitute.

Posted by: Bill "Tapped Dat" Maher

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2015 01:48 PM (kdS6q)

108 [i}
America is not chiefly about a place. Our physical location is happenstance. It is not about blood or soil. It is not about race. America is an idea -- and ideal.

The reason America is in decline is because far too many born-and-raised Americans do not understand America.

[Stands on desk, cheering loudly, as heads pop up over cubical dividers wondering what the hell is going on. In some corner office, security is being summoned to collect the crazy person.]

Posted by: Lons Templist at June 24, 2015 01:48 PM (Za1ir)

109 Ann Coulter said something irritating post 9/11 and I haven't been interested in her since. Her game is to be brash and cold and biting.

At least Nikki lives in South Carolina, Ann. This whole thing is the business of the people in that state, and nobody else's.

Posted by: Lea - Not Everybody Likes Us at June 24, 2015 01:48 PM (lIU4e)

110 I'm still reeling over the fact that Jarrett's family were such hardcore commies. It appears Chicago has a long tradition of them.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2015 01:48 PM (iQIUe)

111 I predict she will still sell a shitton of books. It's just like professional wrestling, you have your heels and faces. Good guys and bad guys. After the show they go out drinking together. None of them believe in anything. It is just a schtick.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 01:49 PM (C5Jpx)

112 Just got here, having coffee, smoking a good cigar. I will say this about this post. Coulter's wrong about the ignorant immigrant spiel. What Nikki did was fold like a cheap Obama-campaign flag in order to appease a faux leftist concern over an object that had absolutely nothing to do with events being discussed. She's Boehner with a vayjayjay.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2015 01:49 PM (P25Hh)

113 Should Lee be viewed as simply a general who prosecuted the war he was given a la Rommel?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 24, 2015 01:49 PM (oVJmc)

114 Warren has Indian coming out her ass.

Chief Running Dog did her?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2015 01:49 PM (1DEli)

115 she doesn't back down on Twitter either,

Ann Coulter

Ann Coulter retweeted Mike Nobel

2d gen immigrant, as she constantly brags. Maj. Nidal Hasan, Anwar al-Awlaki, Octomom -we R getting the best ppl!

is her response to this question

Mike Nobel

@AnnCoulter Please explain how South Carolina governor is "an immigrant", to quote your on-air comments.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 24, 2015 01:49 PM (qCMvj)

116 What really bothers me about all this hair on fire stuff about the Confederate flag is that they *want* me to be ashamed about my relatives and my culture.....I don't own a confederate flag, my family never owned slaves, we didn't succeed on the backs of anyone else, and yet as part of the *collective*, I am supposed to reject all the good parts of my heritage,my family, my culture. It must ALL be rejected in order for me to cleanse myself of something that I had NOTHING to do with.

Posted by: TX ette at June 24, 2015 01:49 PM (MsAiR)

117 Since her new book has "Immigration" in the title, Coulter tries to tie it in with everything. And as she always does, she stretched things to far to connect the dots. I noticed Ben Shapiro does it sometimes also.
I don't lose sleep over it.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 24, 2015 01:49 PM (nkUcM)

118 Coulter is in it only to sell books.

Controversy sells books.

A telling comment I heard her make on a podcast: She was complaining that nobody would debate her or go on with her and that nobody else would interview her.

She likes it when she's brought on TV to be the bete noire. She tends to eviscerate the host and guests.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 24, 2015 01:49 PM (JIElb)

119 Rick Riscorla was an immigrant. He got it.

Posted by: tmitsss at June 24, 2015 01:49 PM (DDGOe)

120
"Benji carver:

He was one of the backstabbers in the shutdown debate. Of course he never offered a solution of his own. Nor did he confirm the obvious "power of the purse" prerogative of the House."

Look, I believe Cooke has a good understanding of this country's founding documents and explains them well. That was my point. I do not care for his "be nice to Dems so they will be nice back" approach to political disputes.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 24, 2015 01:50 PM (OD2ni)

121
Hell, his 2008 campaign sold him as a cosmopolitan ciitizen of the world.

The historically first monolingual citizen of the world.

Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 01:50 PM (JtwS4)

122 Maybe next time I'll remember to take my sock off before commenting.

Welcome to Moronville. Population: me.

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 01:50 PM (MT22W)

123 Ann Coulter is all about selling books. Nothing wrong with that, but it's her marketing strategy that sucks. throwing molotov cocktails all over the place and then saying, "buy my new book, "Arson For Fun and Profit."

I question her sincerity...

for that and Bill Maher.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at June 24, 2015 01:50 PM (BZAd3)

124 i've never really bought into this idea, peddled on both left and right, that Coulter was merely an attention-seeker.
Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:39 PM

I suggest that part of the reason is that you, ace, are an attention-payer. People like Coulter have a stronger presence for you as observers of the Game of Politics and opinion-makers.

Outside that arena, I can honestly say I haven't even thought about Coulter for a damn long time. Which is fine, because even Back in the Day I thought there was a little too much strident, preening authority in her persona. She was, thusly, a pretty fair match for other OTT-types like Sean Whinety and Rash Fatblob.

If being in the public eye is your business, seeking attention is an integral part of making money. Much as I disagree with some of the Top Conservative Pundits, I'm not going to begrudge them the right to do either/both.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2015 01:50 PM (P8YHq)

125 "Anyone who knows the first thing about military history knows that there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate Army."

Apparently, Ms. Coulter isn't "anyone." And not only with regard to military history, but United States or world history as well.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2015 01:50 PM (jShXB)

126 Are we to keep lists of Who the Real White People Are?

The media sure does.
"White Hispanic"

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2015 01:51 PM (1DEli)

127 Chicago has amassed more than 1,000 gun shot victims, almost 200 murders
and no one gives a sh*t. Let all get excited about a flag...what a country.

Posted by: Colin at June 24, 2015 01:51 PM (VVrB8)

128 >>>Not just born here, but with parents who were both Americans. That's
the whole poihnt of the "natural born citizen" requirement in the
Constitution.

And ... no, most people in the rest of the world do NOT understand how America or AMerican governmental architecture works.

What's interesting is that you, who were apparently born here in America to American parents, don't understand the first thing about America or American government works either.

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO Scum at June 24, 2015 01:51 PM (ewYO6)

129 They're both wrong and Mitt should've "It's a Democrat issue " FYNQ and STFU.

But no, now we're tar-babied again.

Here, cheezeburger and boobies

http://cheezburger.com/8514359040

Posted by: DaveA at June 24, 2015 01:51 PM (DL2i+)

130 I like Ann Coulter...always have.
Its hard to dispute her in most of her writings as she footnotes everything. She's good that way.
But in this instance I think the bombast got ahead of her.
Otherwise, meh...

Posted by: Diogenes at June 24, 2015 01:51 PM (Z9g7j)

131 but I was thinking, an foreigner can be American in spirit,

Can ... but highly unlikely, since no foreigners grow up with any understanding of America or American governance. NONE.

Obama is certainly a foreigner in spirit.

More than that. He spent all of his formative years being raised as a muslim in the largest muslim nation in the world - ages 5 to 10. That's when his worldview formed - well ... what little worldview an 84 IQ talentless douchebag can have.

Hell, his 2008 campaign sold him as a cosmopolitan ciitizen of the world.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:47 PM (bhepQ)

Not just that but it ILLEGALLY held the largest campaign rally in American history in a foreign nation ... for foreigners ... paid in part by a foreign government ...

That was the point at which Barky should have been tossed out of the race.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 01:52 PM (MYSVz)

132 14 Ann Coulter has jumped the shark on this one. She is yapping just to yap.

Which is too bad, because it just destroys her credibility on other issues.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 24, 2015 01:33 PM (OB/ib)

What, slobbering all over Krispy Kreme wasn't enough for ya?

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 24, 2015 01:52 PM (Edob3)

133 so if I move to Nanking, and I get elected to office, if I were to diss a memorial to the rape of nanking...would it be because I am a noob to the place?

What about if I move to Nagasaki and get elected mayor. And I make big noise about getting ICBM's stationed there?

But Ann's a big girl, she knows whether she should apologize or not. Her point is what, that Haley is a carepetbagger? Well, Haley is our carpetbagger. eh?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:52 PM (Iv/Hw)

134 The historically first monolingual citizen of the world.

Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 01:50 PM (JtwS4)

And that language was Marxist Retard.

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 01:52 PM (MT22W)

135 At least she didn't try to rub her dot off this time.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 01:53 PM (C5Jpx)

136 It's a good thing that we're taking Alexander Hamilton off the currency. What would he know about America?

Posted by: pep at June 24, 2015 01:53 PM (GMG6W)

137 America is not chiefly about a place. Our physical location is happenstance. It is not about blood or soil. It is not about race. America is an idea -- and ideal.
_____________________________

True, America is an ideal, but that is not all it is. America is also a country. My ancestors came to the Virginia colony in the mid 17th century, as indentured servants. Later generations prospered in business, and some became slave owners. I was born and raised in Virginia, knowing that many generations of my ancestors had lived and died on that soil. There is still an elementary school in the commonwealth that bears the name of one of my Confederate ancestors. I grew up hearing the stories and visiting the sites of my ancestors' struggles in this land. I saw firsthand the cost of liberty, in the many gravestones of my Virginia ancestors.

Did Nikki Haley have the same experiences in South Carolina? Of course not. She is a first-generation American. She has no long history in this land; no ancestors who built it, no ancestors who fought for it, no ancestors who died for it. Does that mean she can't be a good American? No. Does it mean she probably doesn't have the same appreciation and understanding and love for this country as someone whose family nurtured it with their sweat and blood for many generations? Yes, absolutely.

America is an ideal. But it is also a country that was built on the genius and the sweat and the tears and the blood and the sacrifices of many generations of Americans. To deny that reality is both foolish and insulting.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 24, 2015 01:53 PM (kGrdk)

138 >>>119 What really bothers me about all this hair on fire stuff about the Confederate flag is that they *want* me to be ashamed about my relatives and my culture.....I don't own a confederate flag, my family never owned slaves, we didn't succeed on the backs of anyone else, and yet as part of the *collective*, I am supposed to reject all the good parts of my heritage,my family, my culture.

i fully agree. Where I might depart from you is this: While this is an impermissible and itself racist goal they seek, that is actually -- seriously -- separate from the question of whether or not the CFB can be plausibly said to be offensive or if it signals values we don't collectively share.

I don't think one can say this is one of those silly dog-whistles the left makes up. The CFB obviously has a *strong* connection with slavery, Jim Crow, etc., even if many people fly it to signal other things (resistance against federal government, belief that a people should be permitted to make their own country, ancestor-honoring, etc.).

One can have perfectly defensible reasons for flying the CFB while also admitting there are perfectly defensible reasons for finding it to be very ugly in terms of historical resonances.

And yes, this is all part of a larger scheme of White Shaming.

We've gone from "One mustn't demonize other races" to "We must demonize the true demon race, the bastard race of White Devils which plague us and must be extinguished from the earth, or at least reformed to understand they are evil and ill-begot."

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:53 PM (bhepQ)

139 What Coulter said was silly.... and counter productive...

Yet just as us White folks are told we can't understand the Black Experience...

It seems that the North, or those who did not have ancestors who fought for the CSA, understand what that flag means to many of us.

/stares at the Union Saber, he inherited from his Confederate Ancestor...

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 24, 2015 01:54 PM (qh617)

140 OK, yesterday in a thread we started talking about a Horde trip to Gettysburg and this is a thing I want to make happen. I'm going to put this post or similar ones in a few threads, so don't get mad at me for reposting.

Some time this summer at least two of us will go to Gettysburg. It would be fun if it were more. It would be awesome if some come who know more about Gettysburg and the War of Southern Hospitality than I.

I imagine it will be a Saturday. I will have taken a Friday off and camped nearby. If others also wish to camp that would be a delight, but it is not a requirement.

I would like to see discussion in the threads but alas I can not read every thread so I ask that you e-mail suggestions and constraints regarding dates to the address in my nick.

Who's game?

This event is sanctioned under the bylaws of Alextopia.

Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 01:54 PM (JtwS4)

141 Ann is in the business of saying outrageous things to gain attention.

Of late, I think, she has trained her guns on Republicans a bit too much. I used to eagerly await her column and read it as soon as it was published, but I have not actively sought her out for a while.

Though, just thinking, a Haley-Coulter girl fight might be worth watching...

Posted by: blaster at June 24, 2015 01:54 PM (2Ocf1)

142 Stop throwing around/capitalizing -ist words, it makes you sound dumb.

Posted by: W at June 24, 2015 01:54 PM (raFEp)

143 Alexander Hamilton was a bastard.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 01:55 PM (C5Jpx)

144 "We must demonize the true demon race, the bastard race of White Devils which plague us and must be extinguished from the earth, or at least reformed to understand they are evil and ill-begot."

Yes, I am a servant of Evil, but my duties are largely ceremonial.

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 01:55 PM (MT22W)

145 Coulter - Weasel would hit.

Posted by: Weasel at June 24, 2015 01:55 PM (6xtq3)

146 America is not chiefly about a place. Our physical location is happenstance. It is not about blood or soil. It is not about race. America is an idea -- and ideal.
***
sure sure. all that. yadda yadda. But we're also a people.*

And that means don't be so quick to give all the credit to newbies.

Obama says we're a country of immigrants bc he wants to import the world to change the people. That's bad. And us parroting his line is a sucker's play.

*=and yes, that includes all the people cwazy cons would consider bad. It's part of the stew. But mass, unassimiliated immigration is changing the stew.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:56 PM (Iv/Hw)

147 >>>True, America is an ideal, but that is not all it is. America is also a country. My ancestors came to the Virginia colony in the mid 17th century, as indentured servants. Later generations prospered in business, and some became slave owners. I was born and raised in Virginia, knowing that many generations of my ancestors had lived and died on that soil. There is still an elementary school in the commonwealth that bears the name of one of my Confederate ancestors. I grew up hearing the stories and visiting the sites of my ancestors' struggles in this land. I saw firsthand the cost of liberty, in the many gravestones of my Virginia ancestors.

if the idea of America was sprouted on the Australian continent, would it be less "American" for that?

If Washington, Hamilton, Adams, Madison and so forth had established colonies and the east coast of Australia, with the same ideas of self-governance, would it really matter that the terrain was different, and winter was summer?

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:56 PM (bhepQ)

148 I'm merely a Minion of Evil.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 24, 2015 01:56 PM (rwI+c)

149 Who's Gavin McInness?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 24, 2015 01:56 PM (fWAjv)

150 She and her pal Rush are idiots and make conservatives look like knuckle dragging boobs.

Hey Ann, how about the US Marine Corps flag? The Apache ?

"...anybody who knows anything about military history" wtff is she talking about.

Go away.

Posted by: Prince Matchabelli at June 24, 2015 01:56 PM (zmZ2x)

151 Who's game?

This event is sanctioned under the bylaws of Alextopia.

Sounds like a great idea, but it was hard enough to get one night away. Make a report on the fun times. Maybe not ALL of the fun times.

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 01:56 PM (MT22W)

152 There is a case to be voiced to the public that goes like this:

The shooter in Charleston was a drug-soaked nut case who claimed to have been inspired by the Confederate flag.

Except that extirpating the Confederate flag in no sense will prevent future drug-soaked nut cases from running amuck. Experience shows that these guys (as young guys they almost always are) can and will fasten upon *anything* as a catalyst for a lethal rampage.

The drug-soaked nut case who shot up a Colorado movie theater was inspired by the Joker character from Batman.

The drug-soaked nut case in Tucson who left Gabby Giffords with a bullet in her brain, and six other people dead, thought that the government was using grammar as an instrument of mind control.

Banning Rebel flags, Batman and grammar is not going to do a single damn thing to defuse the next drug-soaked nut case. To repeat the point, these guys can, do, and *will* fixate and lethally obsess on damn near anything. We cannot possibly purge all possible sources of obsession.

What we need to be having a public debate about, instead, is the liberal conception that has shaped public life and law for fifty years: that obviously mentally disturbed people cannot be interfered with in any way, and must enjoy the full panoply of civil rights and personal privacies.

A scheme tailor-made to let the brains of drug-soaked nut cases bubble and ferment away until the eventual inevitable explosion occurs.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2015 01:56 PM (noWW6)

153 If Ann Coulter's an attack dog, then her DNA profile establishes her as the political pundit literary bloodline of Jerry Springer and Geraldo Rivera.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2015 01:57 PM (vC6Bj)

154 Lee's contemporaries referred to a standing army as the Army of the Lord.

It wasn't his.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 01:57 PM (8rRE+)

155 "One mustn't demonize other races" to "We must demonize the true demon race, the bastard race of White Devils which plague us and must be extinguished from the earth, or at least reformed to understand they are evil and ill-begot."

***

that's basically the DNC's core platform. Funny that not even Hillary can toe that line.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:57 PM (Iv/Hw)

156 Just a cog in game of evil, as it were.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Pale Penis Person at June 24, 2015 01:57 PM (rwI+c)

157 Maybe next time I'll remember to take my sock off before commenting.

Welcome to Moronville. Population: me.
Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 01:50 PM (MT22W)

At least you didn't end up in the actual Barrel.

S'more? *offers*

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at June 24, 2015 01:57 PM (mf5HN)

158
If Washington, Hamilton, Adams, Madison and so forth had established colonies and the east coast of Australia, with the same ideas of self-governance, would it really matter that the terrain was different, and winter was summer?

And everyone's upside down. You left out the part where everyone's upside down.

Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 01:57 PM (JtwS4)

159 Did anyone actually watch the interview? You need to.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (CCNCh)

160 Firstly ... I booked my boarding pass on Ann Coulter is not to be Trusted Airways a long time ago. In Business Select ... which get's me a drink ticket. Ann's got a Republican Big Government boner that now and again has at least a four hour erection. She is a High Toned, High Handed Bitch.

And that's really neither here or there, as this is about the last line in Ace's latest missive.

Son ... this notion that you constantly carry around ... that you can somehow stay "above the fray" ... Is going to get your ass bit. It's naive.

Because sooner rather than later, you damn well ARE going to have to pick a tribe. That tribe may not be based on race ... But you sure as hell better find one.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (sdG82)

161 Ann's been a disappointment since Godless. I still like to hear her scrap with lib'ruls, and she can write a scathing line, but she's not a insightful thinker and she's wrong on this topic and many others.

Posted by: Pious Agnostic at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (Lu9c/)

162 Is Gettysburg still a battlefield? The left says the Civil War wasn't history, might as well plow it up and put in some low income government projects.

Posted by: maddogg at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (xWW96)

163 Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:53 PM (bhepQ)

This is revisionist history, written by the winner.

You will not hear, from the winner, that we killed 750,000 of our own citizens in a War, so the Federal Government could have more power...

Yet the letters written by Northern soldiers talk about Preserving the Union.... while the South's talk about their States, and Southern Pride...

Very very few ever mention slavery, at all.

Yet somehow... 150 years later... 'WE' know better about why they fought... than those who actually fought...

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (qh617)

164 143 Alexander Hamilton was a bastard.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 01:55 PM (C5Jpx)

And he went to Hebrew school.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (MYSVz)

165 At least you didn't end up in the actual Barrel.

Day isn't over yet.

S'more? *offers*

Well, since you're offering...

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 01:59 PM (MT22W)

166 I'm merely a Minion of Evil.
Posted by: Grump928
****

I am half evil on my father's side.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 24, 2015 01:59 PM (+aCe4)

167 True, America is an ideal, but that is not all it is. America is also a country. My ancestors came to the Virginia colony in the mid 17th century, as indentured servants.

***

indeed, and us later arrivals bought in. you know? Great grampa didn't emmigrate to Mexico (as a lot of people did, after all) but to the yucky place that obama wants to fundamentally transform.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:59 PM (Iv/Hw)

168 Ann is in the business of saying outrageous things to gain attention.

There's a lot of that going around here today.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 24, 2015 01:59 PM (ZKzrr)

169 Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:47 PM (bhepQ)

Heh, whatever. I'm not judging. At least you didn't make a reference to his Communist poet father. :

:

Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 01:54 PM (JtwS4)

I feel like there was a huge event at Gettysburg last year on July 4th.

I'd investigate event weekends if I were you, and either not go or do go that weekend depending on how you feel about crowds.

Also, the tour bus rides are really expensive.

Also, the ghost tours are cool.

Also, if you have a ULEV (fuel efficient vehicle) you can park up front. Which is nice.

Self guided driving tour is kind of the way to do it though. Go at your own pace.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 24, 2015 01:59 PM (Zur5p)

170 You're right Ace. Coulter is FOS on this one. As much as I disagree with Haley on this she didn't do it because she is an immigrant, or even because her parents were immigrants. She did it for two reason. (1) kow-tow to the PC brigade of of liberals and (2) She doesn't have to worry about blow-back and reelection.

And as expected, giving in on this only fanned the flames for more "give us this" crap from the liberals.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 24, 2015 01:59 PM (GpgJl)

171
ace, you're stealing my lines again WRT America being ideas, not lines on a map, plus the stuff about immigrants often "getting it" better than many natives here.

And recall that WSJ column years back which perfectly captured the Obama situation: "The Alien in the White House". You echoed that here as well.

As to the flag, unfortunately your correct observations, I think, should not be allowed to cloud the picture. The picture being an "historic" mob-riot moral panic over a flag that has nothing to do with a grisly mass killing by a lunatic.

I know you understand this. And, apparently, it's all academic/moot/hopeless anyway. But I'm not going to give any weight to even the most reasonable qualms of anyone WRT to the flag (even black Americans) in this context. The lunacy - moral and rational - of our national situation has now been defined in the starkest terms. Not gonna react to that by making a separate point that has the effect of not pushing back against the insanity.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2015 02:00 PM (QDnY+)

172 If Washington, Hamilton, Adams, Madison and so forth had established colonies and the east coast of Australia, with the same ideas of self-governance, would it really matter that the terrain was different, and winter was summer?

And everyone's upside down. You left out the part where everyone's upside down.
Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 01:57 PM (JtwS4)

I think they'd be too busy fending off All The Things that were trying to kill them to set up a government.

This is why Australia is ruled by Lord Humungus today.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at June 24, 2015 02:00 PM (mf5HN)

173 The new Gettysburg official visitors center is good, but I miss the older one because it was more informal. It was crowded at times, but I think the older center had better exhibits. The new exhibits rely on more videos, I guess the modern way.

Posted by: Colin at June 24, 2015 02:00 PM (VVrB8)

174 Why are we or anyone else giving ANY of this any credence? Speedbump is being formally sentenced two years after he murdered three people and maimed more than 17. Nothing was banned, debated or changed.

This asshole has come confederate symbols and the mob forms? What if he had black cats? Dream catchers? Copies of the Koran? A Che t-shirt?

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (Spluw)

175 I thought I might toss a pick me up into the thread here:

https://goo.gl/D7VI75

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (MT22W)

176 Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:45 PM

I have no idea where he was coming from with that last piece. Only that somehow Haley's action is insincere because she's acting that she's white. Or something.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (PFy0L)

177 >>>This is revisionist history, written by the winner.

You will not hear, from the winner, that we killed 750,000 of our own citizens in a War, so the Federal Government could have more power...

Yet the letters written by Northern soldiers talk about Preserving the Union.... while the South's talk about their States, and Southern Pride...

Very very few ever mention slavery, at all.

Yet somehow... 150 years later... 'WE' know better about why they fought... than those who actually fought...

...

whatever. Sure, they fought a war that killed millions over.... some proceduralist concerns that every other country in history works out without much bother without huge wars, and not the fact that the north was adding more no-slave states than the south could ad slave states.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (bhepQ)

178 Yet somehow... 150 years later... 'WE' know better about why they fought... than those who actually fought...
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (qh617)

While that is all true, it doesn't matter.

History is always written by the victors, and I'm not going to go out on a limb to defend the CSA, especially considering the "lynch pin" issue they decided to secede over.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (Zur5p)

179 as for ann, does the left ever get on Michael Moore or even fucking Cher, for the outrageous bullshit they say about us?

fuck em, grow a pair.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (Iv/Hw)

180 164 He had to, as no church run school would let a bastard in.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (C5Jpx)

181 >>>And he went to Hebrew school.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (MYSVz)I suppose you take this as proof that he was not to be trusted, and not "really" American, eh?

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO Scum at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (ewYO6)

182 It must ALL be rejected in order for me to cleanse myself of something that I had NOTHING to do with.

Posted by: TX ette

You are guilty of being an unperson of Jesusland. You must hate yourself to repent.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (/Ho8c)

183 Don't look at me, I didn't spoil her against Indian immigrants.

Posted by: Ann's ex, Dinesh D'Souza at June 24, 2015 02:02 PM (mNMDd)

184 But I would still have to reject the Essentialist nature of that argument -- the implication that only "true Americans," born here, made of this blood and this soil, can understand America.

Then you disagree with the founders, who thought enough of the idea to write it into the Constitution as a requirement for being President.

Posted by: bystander at June 24, 2015 02:02 PM (hKyl0)

185 >>And everyone's upside down. You left out the part where everyone's upside down.

And the toilets flush counter clockwise. Demonic.

No I've got an image if Adams saying "Crikey, that's a big snake!" in my head.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 24, 2015 02:02 PM (g1DWB)

186 I've been annoyed with Coulter since her book "Demonic." On the one hand, it's a pretty interesting exploration of mob dynamics throughout history, particularly the French Revolution, but for some reason she seems to reserve most of her ire for the Tea Party.

Posted by: Kensington at June 24, 2015 02:02 PM (7Kbxu)

187 Alexander Hamilton was a bastard.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 01:55 PM (C5Jpx)

"The bastard brat of a Scotch pedlar," to quote John Adams.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 24, 2015 02:02 PM (zF6Iw)

188 speaking of which, saw the original Mad Max last night. Kinda quaint how dystopias used to be. Just some light biker gang activity....

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 02:02 PM (Iv/Hw)

189 Anyone who knows the first thing about cinematic history knows that there is no greater movie than Hudson Hawk.

Posted by: Ann Coulter at June 24, 2015 02:03 PM (ppaKI)

190 whatever. Sure, they fought a war that killed millions over.... some proceduralist concerns that every other country in history works out without much bother without huge wars, and not the fact that the north was adding more no-slave states than the south could ad slave states.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (bhepQ)

That was the lynchpin, yes.

But from the beginning the South (think thomas jefferson) was much more wary of this whole... central government thing than the industrial north (think alexander hamilton).

And, long story short, civil war.

But yes, the fear of losing congressional seats and power in the senate due to more "free states" (which, to them, meant states full of yankee statist assholes) was why they seceded.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 24, 2015 02:03 PM (Zur5p)

191 When the South lost the war they should have also lost the right to fly or officially sanction the displaying of confederate battle flags, standards, banners, medals, buttons, ribbons and whatever else a vanquished enemy losses when they lose a flippin' war.

Posted by: 13times at June 24, 2015 02:03 PM (WHVu+)

192 Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:56 PM (bhepQ)

Short answer . Yes . America was built on opportunity and opportunity was greatly dependent on location. Your Australia America wouldn't have had the same resources as America and a great many things could not have occurred.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 24, 2015 02:03 PM (CCNCh)

193 4
Coulter should have said Haley is an ignorant panderer with no sense of history.

thread winner. She could say the same about Mitt Romney, Goober Graham and Trey Gowdy, all of whom have pandered to the hard left wrt the CBF

Posted by: bystander at June 24, 2015 02:03 PM (hKyl0)

194 not entirely off topic:
seen at weaselzippers:

The actor who played Cooter on the TV series "Dukes of Hazzard" is defending the Confederate flag as a symbol of the spirit of independence.

Ben Jones posted on Facebook that fans of the show know that the flag represents values of the rural South including courage, family and good times.

Jones and his wife own two stores in Tennessee and one in Virginia that celebrate the show and its fictional Hazzard County. Jones also is a former U.S. congressman who represented Georgia. He served as a Democrat.

He says the flag is being attacked in a "wave of political correctness" that is vilifying Southern culture.

Posted by: mallfly at June 24, 2015 02:04 PM (qSIlh)

195 >>>Yet somehow... 150 years later... 'WE' know better about why they fought... than those who actually fought...

Actually, yes - we do. The war was started by politicians, not by rank-and-file soldiers, or even by their generals. The Southern politicians? They were pretty damn clear that they seceded because they feared "Slave Power" was losing its dominance within the United States. That's why they left only after they lost the 1860 election.

"State's rights" was a fig-leaf. The right they wanted to preserve -- the only one worth going to war over -- was the right to hold human beings in chattel slavery.

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO Scum at June 24, 2015 02:04 PM (ewYO6)

196 The only reason the left is attacking the Confederate flag is because Dylan Root was photographed burning the American flag, while images of #BlackLivesMatter organizers burning the American flag is still fresh in everyone's memory.

They desperately needed to put distance between their own flag burners, and the flag burners who don't fit their narrative.

Posted by: gastorgrab at June 24, 2015 02:04 PM (u6OFe)

197
And the actual point about Haley's capitulation here is pretty grim. It is not simply a question of dispiriting the freakish inhabitants of blog comment sections (us!) with uniform, instant capitulation to the (predictably) worsening demands of the dominant mob in America. That's one effect, sure.

But this phenomenon (recall Indiana's recent example on the religious freedom law vs. gaystapo kristallnachting) makes a difference. The vast bulk of normal, politically-disengaged Americans are seeing a nearly non-stop string of increasingly disgraceful and wacky mob riots/panics, all of them resulting in instant capitulation by the forces of common sense.

Nothing to do with Coulter's poorly chosen shtick here, but still.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2015 02:04 PM (QDnY+)

198 187 That to is the story of Obama.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:05 PM (C5Jpx)

199 Posted by: 13times at June 24, 2015 02:03 PM (WHVu+)

Reconciliation was the goal and what they did then to help facilitate it doesn't seem right today but what was required then.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 24, 2015 02:05 PM (CCNCh)

200 181 >>>And he went to Hebrew school.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (MYSVz)

I suppose you take this as proof that he was not to be trusted, and not "really" American, eh?

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO Scum at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (ewYO6)

It was just an interesting comment about something that most people don't know, douchebag. I went to Hebrew school, too. Evidently, you went to Douchebag school.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 02:05 PM (MYSVz)

201 anyway, like every other 1rst world country, we weren't asked 20 years ago if we wanted 20-50 million new immigrants. We were full, fat, and fine. But the left was treasonous and unhappy.

so while USA is an ideal, beacon on a hill, we're also full.

Also, as I've pointed out, if immigration is the only thing that a country needs...it's the fuel or whatever the left says....why don't we fill up Ark B and ship our losers to the third world. They, the 3rd world, needs the immigration more. Here we go again, America hoarding the world's precious resources, this time it's immigration, while the poor elsewhere get no 3rd world immigration to make them great.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 02:05 PM (Iv/Hw)

202 During the Civil War, soldiers were known to boil and eat shoe leather to stave off starvation. Ms. Coulter must be a true Civil War buff to so frequently reenact those soldiers' sufferings.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2015 02:05 PM (vC6Bj)

203 Maybe, deep in some other thread, someone posted something like this. And I know that the Horde might not endorse all of it.

However, I would love to see a Republican govenor or candidate say something like this:

I am proud to be a member of the Republican Party.

I am a proud member of the party of Abraham Lincoln.

I am a proud member of the party of Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, and Martin Luther King.

I am a proud member of the party of Dr. Ben Carson, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, and former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

I am a proud member of the party of the abolition of slavery.

Slave-owning Democrats so hated my party that they seceeded from the United States of American to form the Confederacy rather have submit to a Republican president.

I am a proud member of the party of the North and of the Yankees that fought the Democrats of the South in an awful Civil War in order to free all African Americans, from slavery, once and for all.

I am a proud member of the party of the Reconstruction of the South.

I am a proud member of the party that fought the Democrat founded and run KKK.

I am a proud member of the party that the opposed the racist progressive and Democrat Woodrow Wilson when he celebrated the KKK in the White House and who resegrated the Federal Government.

I am a proud member of the party that fought for decades to pass anti-lynching and civil rights laws against the massive, co-ordindated opposition of Southern Democrats.

I am a proud member of the party that helped pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 over the massive, co-ordinated opposition of Southern Democrats.

I am a proud member of the party that opposed Democrats like former Governors Bill Clinton and George Wallace who stood proudly under the flag of the Confederacy during their times in office.

I am glad that public opinion is finally, and at long last, demanding that we bury, once and for all times, the symbols of the racist heritige of the Democrat Party and of the Confederate South.

And PLEASE do not attribute this to me. I do not want a swarm of MSM locusts descend into my life.

Posted by: LochLomondFarms at June 24, 2015 02:06 PM (H2V1A)

204 113 Should Lee be viewed as simply a general who prosecuted the war he was given a la Rommel?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 24, 2015 01:49 PM (oVJmc)

Rommel and Lee are two different people. Rommel only turned on the Nazis when he saw them losing. Lee left the US Army and joined the South. Both are tactical and strategic geniuses, but Rommel was already in the Wehrmacht when the Nazis took controlled and made war.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 02:06 PM (0eidE)

205 How do we know that Ann hasn't decided to identify now as a Native American? Would this not give her argument more power?

Magic H8-Ball says.......YES!

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at June 24, 2015 02:06 PM (sCHw2)

206 re 187: some claim Hamilton was also a mulatto. This alone would be a reason to leave him on the ten dollar bill.

Posted by: mallfly at June 24, 2015 02:06 PM (qSIlh)

207 Had Roof been displaying the ISIS flag, the left would have remained silent about it. That is a fact.

Posted by: maddogg at June 24, 2015 02:06 PM (xWW96)

208 "But yes, the fear of losing congressional seats and power in the senate due to more "free states" (which, to them, meant states full of yankee statist assholes) was why they seceded.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 24, 2015 02:03 PM (Zur5p)"

Completely false, considering how they ran the Confederacy during the war: as statists fighting a total war.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 02:07 PM (8rRE+)

209 She should tell Craig Ferguson that an immigrant can't understand America. That would be worth a bag a popcorn...

Posted by: chi's sandwIch at June 24, 2015 02:07 PM (T5QC5)

210 Firstly ... I booked my boarding pass on Ann Coulter
is not to be Trusted Airways a long time ago. In Business Select ...
which get's me a drink ticket. Posted by: ScoggDog at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM

Funny thing: I've had a ticket on the Ann Coulter is Essentially Spewing Meaningless Drivel Bus Lines for years. A discount ticket, yet, so I bring my booze onboard in a greasy paper bag.

I am mildly surprised when anyone is a) extra-specially offended by or b) giddly thrilled by what members of the Extra-Special Opining Class say. In virtually every instance I can think of (well, there's maybe one exception), they are insulated from the cares, interests and beliefs of us peons out in the hinterlands. They associate with the mighty movers and shakers, and slurp the best-quality booze.

For me, listening to that crowd is like hearing someone speak in Sanskrit.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2015 02:07 PM (P8YHq)

211 Posted by: LochLomondFarms at June 24, 2015 02:06 PM (H2V1A)

Also:

I would love to see the MSM tie themselves into knots trying to "fact-check" this away.

I might add: I am a proud member of the party of life that routinely opposes the openly genocidal and racist Margaret Sanger who celebrated the Nazi in charge of eugenics in her publications.

Posted by: LochLomondFarms at June 24, 2015 02:07 PM (H2V1A)

212 138 >>>119 What really bothers me about all this hair on fire stuff about the Confederate flag is that they *want* me to be ashamed about my relatives and my culture.....I don't own a confederate flag, my family never owned slaves, we didn't succeed on the backs of anyone else, and yet as part of the *collective*, I am supposed to reject all the good parts of my heritage,my family, my culture.

i fully agree. Where I might depart from you is this: While this is an impermissible and itself racist goal they seek, that is actually -- seriously -- separate from the question of whether or not the CFB can be plausibly said to be offensive or if it signals values we don't collectively share.

I don't think one can say this is one of those silly dog-whistles the left makes up. The CFB obviously has a *strong* connection with slavery, Jim Crow, etc., even if many people fly it to signal other things (resistance against federal government, belief that a people should be permitted to make their own country, ancestor-honoring, etc.).

One can have perfectly defensible reasons for flying the CFB while also admitting there are perfectly defensible reasons for finding it to be very ugly in terms of historical resonances.

And yes, this is all part of a larger scheme of White Shaming.

We've gone from "One mustn't demonize other races" to "We must demonize the true demon race, the bastard race of White Devils which plague us and must be extinguished from the earth, or at least reformed to understand they are evil and ill-begot."

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:53 PM (bhepQ)

I may be unusual in that my Christian parents, born and raised in rural Louisiana, rejected ALL the racist ugliness of the pre-civil rights years. They insisted that we attend a non denominational church with black and white attendees. They taught us that heaven would not be segregated. We would be in heaven with our black brothers and sisters in Christ. Period. We might as well get started here and now with understanding and loving one another. I grew up loving black people, because I was around WONDERFUL black folks. Honestly, all the white/black animosity is foreign to me. I concede that there is a LEGITIMATE case to be made about the hurt that the flag could cause others....NO doubt. But I just don't think that is really what all this is about. I must be cowed and shamed. Nothing else will suffice.

Posted by: TX ette at June 24, 2015 02:07 PM (MsAiR)

213 'm still a fan of @anncoulter, but she's making it tough

***

Let's not fall into lib trap of all our sins are unforgiveable but the left never sins

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 02:07 PM (Iv/Hw)

214 143 Alexander Hamilton was a bastard.

And there's a pretty solid case to be made that he was another Aaron Burr.

When it looked very likely that the US was going to go to war with our former allies France (just after the French Revolution) Hamilton's actions and words sure made it sound like he wanted to be what so many feared he wanted to be...America's Bonaparte. Even after that crisis had passed, Hamilton wanted to stay at the head of a large standing army at a time when America had no standing army.

General Washington was all for it too, he threatened to resign his commission as head of the Army if Hamilton was given supreme powers.
John Adams, ssuspecting a coup attempt by Hamilton, managed to kneecap Hamilton, and Washington died shortly after. So we'll never really know what Hamilton was planning.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 24, 2015 02:07 PM (7ObY1)

215 I enjoy how The Left lectures America (i.e. those dumb rubes who won't listen to them!) about its ignorance of the world and then turn around and reveal their own ignorance of the world. Yeah, I could have paid better attention in geography class, and I honestly don't know much about not-America, but I'm not the only one, am I?

Posted by: Shoot Me at June 24, 2015 02:07 PM (EQcfE)

216 Hamilton should remain on the bill because he was a founding father and a great American.

Posted by: maddogg at June 24, 2015 02:08 PM (xWW96)

217 There will always be an England.

Posted by: Lord Sir Plinkton Van Der Heflionski at June 24, 2015 02:08 PM (Za1ir)

218 Dear God, there are still people on this thread biting on the SJW bait and defending stupid rationalizations about flags.

They WANT you to defend it, idiots. That's the whole fucking point.

Nikki Haley showed how it's supposed to be done and some of you can't figure it out.

-Oh, you want the flag down? OK, fine by me, I never gave a shit about it anyway. We Republicans were opposed to the Confederacy from the beginning, if you'll recall.

-Oh, you'll take it down and won't defend it? *sad trombone*

-Nope, couldn't care less actually. We Republicans wanted it down years ago, anyway.

-Oh. *more sad SJW trombone* Well, how about you other Republicans, are you going to defend it, huh, are you, pretty please?

- No, we think it sucks too, and are happy to take it down.

- Oh. *chorus of sad SJW trombones*

Get a fucking clue. It's called not taking the bait and it's also called removing a divisive, stupid, counter-productive "issue" from the table.

And yes, Coulter is just trying to get attention again.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at June 24, 2015 02:08 PM (ljZD2)

219 ...if Hamilton WASN'T given supreme powers...

stupid fingers

Posted by: Citizen X at June 24, 2015 02:08 PM (7ObY1)

220 200 181 >>>And he went to Hebrew school.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (MYSVz)

I suppose you take this as proof that he was not to be trusted, and not "really" American, eh?

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO Scum at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (ewYO6)

It was just an interesting comment about something that most people don't know, douchebag. I went to Hebrew school, too. Evidently, you went to Douchebag school.

I hear you, achi. A lot of us went to Hebrew school.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2015 02:09 PM (vC6Bj)

221 Up to this point Haley has been good for SC in my opinion. That time has past. She caved to political correctness. And Coulter is a rino.

Posted by: Eromero at June 24, 2015 02:09 PM (go5uR)

222 Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2015 01:56 PM (noWW6)

A rational discussion about the Confederate Flag of Battle would recognize that at some level, it is a symbol of slavery.

For people to pretend that the flag can be separated from the Confederacy is silly, or disingenuous.

Of course it represents the glory of the old South, which was, in many ways, a grand place, with powerful traditions and social mores that created a vibrant culture.

But don't piss on my back and tell me it is raining, and don't tell me that slavery and the antebellum South are not inextricably linked.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2015 02:09 PM (Zu3d9)

223 Okay. I appear to have misplaced my AoSHQ Style Guide so I am, may God have mercy on those souls in those bell jars over there, appealing to the Horde for assistance.

Since this is actually a thread that has some relevance to refighting that pesky little contretemps between the States, what is it that we have to discuss then instead?

Guns, boobehs, longbows v. crossbows are right out since those are required in every thread.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at June 24, 2015 02:09 PM (mf5HN)

224 TX ette:

"my Christian parents, born and raised in rural Louisiana, rejected ALL the racist ugliness of the pre-civil rights years. They insisted that we attend a non denominational church with black and white attendees. They taught us that heaven would not be segregated."

I love this. Thank you for posting it.

Posted by: JPS at June 24, 2015 02:09 PM (0k/27)

225 one phenomenon we used to see was immigrants explaining america to us -- like that Hungarian man, I think he did an ad for romney, explaining why he despised socialism.

===========
I had a Hungarian housemate in the 80s. He kept making me watch Red Dawn.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2015 02:10 PM (iQIUe)

226
Frankly I refuse to give a single solitary shit about the confederate battle flag. Raise it. Lower it. Launch it into space. What fucking difference does it make?

Again and again we see this - distracting, nothing-burger issues (gay marriage cake bakers? Chick with a mattress?Cigarettehustler getting tackled by police) being elevated into national issues of significant importance.

MEANWHILE our national debt is out of control. Iran is getting the bomb. Russia is invading Ukraine. Ebola. China is snatching up the south seas. OPM gets hacked. There is a massive refuge crises from Syria and Libya. ISIS. Obamacare costs jumping 30%. Hollowing out of the U.S, military. Uncontrolled immigration, including an out of control H1B visa program. Suffocating regulation, voraciously expanding entitlements, slow growth. Impending Greek collapse. I could go on for pages regarding the multitude of disasters overseen by the idiot in chief.

But by all means, this flag issue is really the most pressing problem right now....

Posted by: Geroge Orwell's ghost at June 24, 2015 02:10 PM (/EkKm)

227
Did anyone actually watch the interview? You need to.
Posted by: Cruzinator

Is there some nuance in her factually inaccurate, questionably nativist rant we're missing?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2015 02:10 PM (kdS6q)

228 I thought I might toss a pick me up into the thread here:

https://goo.gl/D7VI75

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM

You, sir, are a great American.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2015 02:10 PM (h4vJk)

229 Coulter lost me when I discovered that she aggressively supported the prosecution (= persecution) of Amanda Knox in Italy. Even after it became clear that the Italian police had screwed up, Coulter stuck to her guns. She's the sort of person who will not change her mind, ever.

Posted by: sauropod at June 24, 2015 02:11 PM (G/vW6)

230 Does all this mean The Oulaw Josey Wales will have to be banned now as well? Josey was a Confederate guerilla whose family was murdered by Union soldiers. Can't root for him, right?

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 24, 2015 02:11 PM (OD2ni)

231 And he went to Hebrew school.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 01:58 PM (MYSVz)

Take him off the damned $10 bill!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at June 24, 2015 02:11 PM (Zu3d9)

232 Perhaps apropos to the discussion:

The Conquered Banner, by Abram Joseph Ryan:

http://goo.gl/lGxNsa

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 24, 2015 02:11 PM (zF6Iw)

233 Jen nailed it at post 77

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 24, 2015 02:11 PM (eoeps)

234 If Nikki Haley would run for president, my choice on who to vote for would be crystal clear.

I disagree with Coulter's views on her. I also don't think Haley should be referred to as an Indian-American. She was born here.

Posted by: Mike at June 24, 2015 02:11 PM (ISxUB)

235 "Because sooner rather than later, you damn well ARE going to have to
pick a tribe. That tribe may not be based on race ... But you sure as
hell better find one."

There was an absolutely fascinating link that one of the Horde posted a long while back, about a guy who had been sentenced to a long spell in prison.

Prison is ALL ABOUT ethnic tribes. All that bullshit about one world, one human race, melting pots, and Kumbaya falls away one microsecond after that cold hard steel gate clangs shut behind you.

So this guy went to stir and discovered the usual tribal groups there. Blacks. Black Muslims. Mexicans. Non-Mexican Hispanics. Amerindians. Aryan Nation whites.

Rigorously internally self-segregated down to tables in the meal room, and the order of taking meals from the line. God help you if you break the smallest detail of the protocol on this stuff. God help you if you do not have a tribal affiliation to protect you from others who might smell weakness or fear.

Except this particular felon was Jewish, and that left him oddly isolated. This man of The Tribe wasn't a match for any of the tribes of the prison.

So he ended up striking a deal with the Aryan Nation whites. He could eat alone at their table in the meal room, but only after the last of them had left. In exchange for which, he would help them write and polish their legal briefs for appeals.

Amazing no-shit anthropology shorn of academic theorizing. A harsh empirical window into how humans actually behave under pressure, instead of how we'd like to imagine they would behave.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2015 02:11 PM (noWW6)

236 They could put Harriet Tubman and Beyonce on the $5 and the $50. No one worth a damn is on them now.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:11 PM (C5Jpx)

237 Guns, boobehs, longbows v. crossbows are right out since those are required in every thread.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at June 24, 2015 02:09 PM

Food?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2015 02:12 PM (h4vJk)

238 Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 02:01 PM (bhepQ)

No.... they fought for their TRIBE....

Men fight for Tribe, Family, Friends, Honor, or Pride... Politicians start wars for 'ideals' and power... but those who fight??? uh... no...

But the Tribe for the South was not the United States... it was for their States, and the Right to decide who was in power over them...

The North fought for the Union... which was the Federal Government...

It was a fight over Tribal identity.... and the North won.... which is why we no longer talk about ourselves as citizens of the 'Great State of X'.... but started to self identify as Americans...

Question... did the Germans or Italians in WW2 Fight for Hitler? or were they fighting for how they self identified?

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 24, 2015 02:12 PM (qh617)

239 She is an immigrant AND doesn't understand American history.

Those were two separate thoughts that did not necessary flow one from the other. If you asked Ann, I am sure she would say that, of course, some immigrants can understand American history, it's just that Haley doesn't. So, she is an immigrant (mistaken non-fact) AND doesn't understand American history (debatable). It is not Ann's best moment, but not her worst either. Don't make too big of a deal about it.

Posted by: tommylotto at June 24, 2015 02:12 PM (A3a8d)

240 Yes, Ann, as articulated, is wrong on this one.

She is still right about most everything else.

Posted by: West at June 24, 2015 02:12 PM (1Rgee)

241
MEANWHILE our national debt is out of control. Iran is getting the bomb. Russia is invading Ukraine. Ebola. China is snatching up the south seas. OPM gets hacked. There is a massive refuge crises from Syria and Libya. ISIS. Obamacare costs jumping 30%. Hollowing out of the U.S, military. Uncontrolled immigration, including an out of control H1B visa program. Suffocating regulation, voraciously expanding entitlements, slow growth. Impending Greek collapse. I could go on for pages regarding the multitude of disasters overseen by the idiot in chief.

***

all not obama fault

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 02:13 PM (Iv/Hw)

242 The only reason the left is attacking the Confederate flag is because
Dylan Root was photographed burning the American flag, while images of
#BlackLivesMatter organizers burning the American flag is still fresh in
everyone's memory.

Which is interesting, because the only people who know that US flags were burned (or melted, cheap bastards bought nylon flags, lol) BLM rallies are people who pay sufficient attention to conservative/alternative media. The MFM did a very good job of not reporting on it.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 24, 2015 02:13 PM (ZKzrr)

243 Get a fucking clue. It's called not taking the bait and it's also called removing a divisive, stupid, counter-productive "issue" from the table.

It's utterly charming that you think the Confederate flag won't be thrown in the GOPs face for the rest of the election season.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 24, 2015 02:14 PM (zF6Iw)

244 I'm a geezer. I grew up in a hood where most had parents or grandparents immigrated from Eastern Europe. They were anti commie and no one questioned their loyalty. Why question Haley's loyalty?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2015 02:14 PM (iQIUe)

245 This is pretty prime Coulter, from the same article:

"But if we're going to remedy the sadness of the Confederate side of the Civil War, I think we need to abolish the Democratic Party," she said. "That's a much more hateful symbol."

Posted by: m at June 24, 2015 02:14 PM (ew6hg)

246 >>Coulter stuck to her guns. She's the sort of person who will not change her mind, ever.

Thank God!

Posted by: Bill Maher at June 24, 2015 02:14 PM (sQzB6)

247 Coulter lost it for me when she didn't cede ownership of a stretch of old railroad tracks that ran across her property

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 02:15 PM (Iv/Hw)

248 The incredible stubborness exhibited by Southerners over something like a symbol gives insight into why the Federal Government took 4 years and thousands of casualties putting it down.

Posted by: maddogg at June 24, 2015 02:15 PM (xWW96)

249 As I said yesterday. I don't see the CBF as a sign of slavery. I'm seeing it now as a sign of rebellion. And, yes, I'll be buying one.

The left always claims that meanings change with time. Well, the meaning of the CBF has changed to "the feds can go fuck themselves" as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2015 02:15 PM (P25Hh)

250 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at June 24, 2015 02:08 PM (ljZD2)

Stupid people still fighting against gays wanting civil unions so they can visit their sick partners in the hospital. Thinking they will demand marriage and adoption rights is lunacy.

Posted by: The 80's at June 24, 2015 02:16 PM (CCNCh)

251
I heard on TV, so it must be true, that the Confederate Battle Flag (which I've seen referred to as the ANV Battle Flag - does the whole South claim the ANV?) was not traditionally flown in the South as an homage to the Cause.

It was first flown over the South Carolina state house in 1961 as an explicit rejoinder to the Civil Rights movement.

If the foregoing is true does that change the context?

Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 02:16 PM (JtwS4)

252 Ace's rebuke sets the right tone. If you are going to be a standard bearer for a cause, those who are mutually enlisted in it should provide necessary correction. No, Ann Coulter should not be ex-communicated. But if she cannot control some of her darker impulses, then she loses credibility and deserves a demotion.

As for the flag controversy, my analysis is based on a Christian perspective (as I see it of course). Those were brothers and sisters gunned down by that racist lunatic wearing the Confederate flag as an identier. The Charleston community has shown exemplary depth of character and commitment to forgiveness and charity toward one another.

Loving my neighbor sometimes means putting away my own wants, needs and desires. Even if the Confederate Flag is a symbol of pride and a reminder of a bygone heritage, the pain of this incident justifies removing the symbol of pain to innocent victims and their families.

The removal of the flag from public prominence should be done in this situation and under the terms of mutual Christian charity. If that act happens to align with racialist, leftist goals, then we swallow our pride and do the right thing anyway.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at June 24, 2015 02:16 PM (/vphp)

253 Food?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2015 02:12 PM (h4vJk)

Food is important.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at June 24, 2015 02:16 PM (mf5HN)

254 "Obama is certainly a foreigner in spirit."

Obama is a transamerican. He's transitioning to becoming the first white president of Kenya.

Posted by: someguy at June 24, 2015 02:16 PM (3z91g)

255 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at June 24, 2015 02:08 PM (ljZD2)

Still enjoying your first day, I see.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 24, 2015 02:17 PM (fwARV)

256 ALL whites should feel ashamed about the 150-year-ago American Civil War!

ALL westerners should feel ashamed about the 800-year-ago Crusades!

What the hell do the Muslims of today have to do with the Islamic terrorism
going on explicitly in their name and which millions of them cheer on???

Posted by: SJWs United, Inc. at June 24, 2015 02:17 PM (sCHw2)

257 Question... did the Germans or Italians in WW2 Fight for Hitler? or were they fighting for how they self identified?

Mein Freund's grandfather was drafted, and went along to the eastern front because he didn't want his wife and children to be shot.

I understand this is not a good enough excuse for most of the Horde.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 24, 2015 02:18 PM (ZKzrr)

258 ...what is it that we have to discuss then instead?

Guns, boobehs, longbows v. crossbows are right out since those are required in every thread.

Posted by: alexthechick
----------------------------
Soft shell vs. Regular old crabs?

(Y eahz I have a craving)

Posted by: chi's sandwIch at June 24, 2015 02:18 PM (T5QC5)

259 Food is important.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at June 24, 2015 02:16 PM

*nods sagely, with perhaps a little parsley as well*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2015 02:18 PM (h4vJk)

260
Food is important.

In what ways did the BBQ chicken wrap disappoint?

Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 02:18 PM (JtwS4)

261 I hear you, achi. A lot of us went to Hebrew school.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2015 02:09 PM (vC6Bj)

Hamilton used to like to brag that he could read the Ten Commandments in the original.

Hamilton is certainly the last (or second to last) person to ever be considered for removal from the money. He created a monetary structure that enabled America to grow as it did, from the beginning.

Of course ... that money that Hamilton is on is being actively destroyed as we breathe ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 02:18 PM (MYSVz)

262 Meh. Coulter may have missed on this one, but she is always aiming at the right targets, and she almost always hits. There is no Perfection.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 02:18 PM (GsebS)

263 "The left always claims that meanings change with time. Well, the meaning of the CBF has changed to "the feds can go fuck themselves" as far as I'm concerned."

Let's adopt the battle flag of Imperial Japan. It doesn't have to be the flag of a racist quasi-feudal slave empire given to suicidal charges, we can just declare its the flag of stronger defense measures against China!

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 02:19 PM (8rRE+)

264
The left always claims that meanings change with time. Well, the meaning of the CBF has changed to "the feds can go fuck themselves" as far as I'm concerned.

--

It has meant that for as long as I can remember. The only time it had racist connotations was when democrats tried to use it to hold onto congressional seats while they were clinging to Jim Crow.

Funny how the one party most responsible for slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation, the democrats, seem to be able to blame the party which put an end to those things.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 24, 2015 02:19 PM (eoeps)

265 The Confederate Army was composed of courageous and brave men, but to say they were "the greatest army ever" is pure BS. The North also had brave and courageous men, and a few things the South didn't have--more money, more industry, more guns, free blacks and millions of Irish and German immigrants. It was only a matter of time.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2015 02:19 PM (HSHrV)

266 In what ways did the BBQ chicken wrap disappoint?

I think wraps are stupid. Sammiches, or a dinner roll on the side, or a slab of Texas toast to sop up some of the fat, but never a wrap.

Flame away, I can't be convinced otherwise.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 24, 2015 02:20 PM (ZKzrr)

267 Like I said, the Democrats never abandoned their bitter racism, they just found a way to make it pay.

Posted by: maddogg at June 24, 2015 02:20 PM (xWW96)

268 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2015 02:10 PM (kdS6q

So you haven't watched it .

Posted by: The 80's at June 24, 2015 02:21 PM (CCNCh)

269 The sun never sets on the British Empire.

Posted by: Ahamed al Bagdadistan at June 24, 2015 02:21 PM (Za1ir)

270 "I think wraps are stupid. Sammiches, or a dinner roll on the side, or a slab of Texas toast to sop up some of the fat, but never a wrap.

Flame away, I can't be convinced otherwise."

I don't mind a wrap, but Texas toast is never wrong.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 02:21 PM (8rRE+)

271 Coulter should walk the comment back and provide some explanation for her statement. I'd buy the idea that Haley MAY not be well-versed in the Southern traditions surrounding the Civil War or the flag due to her family's recent immigrant status, but Ann clearly overreached with that comment. She tends to shoot from the lip particularly when promoting her latest cause/book topic and she's deliberately putting the hype in hyperbolic here.

Given her transparent Cicero-like side-shifting and double-speaking for the Establishment and dissident Right in the last few years, I've come to regard her as unreliable and self-serving. She's a Pat Buchanan - smart, opinionated and often insightful but corruptly wedded to her own controversialist, contrarian and idiosyncratic past pronouncements, and obsessed with her own self-promotion.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 02:21 PM (WIOql)

272 By Coulter's logic I should not mind if Germany decided to fly the German War Ensign from WW2 at the Bundestag, in honor of one of the finest armies in the history of the world.
http://www.loeser.us/flags/nsdap_military.html

Posted by: mhjhnsn at June 24, 2015 02:21 PM (FZdvr)

273 Summary: Some betrayals are adequately handled gy first vgen off the boat Americans. Immigrants need not apply.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 24, 2015 02:21 PM (UFPN2)

274 It's utterly charming that you think the Confederate flag won't be thrown in the GOPs face for the rest of the election season.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 24, 2015 02:14 PM (zF6Iw)

If the GOP had any dicks, they would promptly respond how it was a Democrat symbol, created by slave-holding Democrats, and was hoisted at statehouses by Democrats.

The first 6 works in the sentence above show you what the problem is.

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 02:22 PM (MT22W)

275 Chris Balsz, don't look at the fantail of today's Japanese naval vessels. The rising sun ensign you'll see there might confusulate what I'm guessing is your attempt at ironic humor, or something.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2015 02:22 PM (QDnY+)

276 "Obama is a transamerican. He's transitioning to becoming the first white president of Kenya."

It would actually be funny as hell to watch Obama *attempt* to run a country like Kenya.

America had substantial ability to do things like borrow on an unprecedented scale, over seven trillion dollars now since January of 2009, to fund the lunatic Obama agenda.

A country like Kenya just can't pull those kinds of stunts. They don't have the maneuvering room in financial markets.

It would speedily turn into Zimbabwe 2.0.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2015 02:22 PM (noWW6)

277 Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 24, 2015 02:20 PM (ZKzrr)

Wraps are often dry, for reasons that are beyond my understanding. I thought that it was the law that sandwiches must be dressed with something deliciously fatty, like good mayo.

I will eat them anyway, but that's because I am a pig.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2015 02:22 PM (Zu3d9)

278 One day this war will be over.

Posted by: Colonel Kilgore at June 24, 2015 02:22 PM (Za1ir)

279 Coulter is just saying something incendiary and insulting to get attention. She did this when George W. Bush nominated Harriet Miers to the SC also, and, in spite of her excellent books, it's an annoying pattern with her.

And, anecdotally speaking, Indians and their American progeny make some of the best Americans.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2015 02:23 PM (t2Kll)

280 >>>>Given her transparent Cicero-like side-shifting and double-speaking for the Establishment and dissident Right in the last few years, I've come to regard her as unreliable and self-serving.

i spoke for the Establishment and now speak against them (mainly). My transition wasn't dishonest.

Sometimes you just change your mind, or learn better.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 02:23 PM (bhepQ)

281 The only reason the Republicans get the blame for the Confederate flag is because Strom Thurmond became a Republican in 1965. That's really what it comes down to . It makes no sense, but as far as I can tell, all Democrat lies about the Republicans becoming-retroactively-the party of the Confederacy, Jim Crow and slavery rests on that thin reed--Thurmond switching sides. It's weird.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2015 02:23 PM (HSHrV)

282 The first 6 works in the sentence above show you what the problem is.

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 02:22 PM

The problem isn't that they don't have them, it's what they're doing with them.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2015 02:23 PM (h4vJk)

283 If the GOP had any dicks, ...

The first 6 words in the sentence above show you what the problem is.

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 02:22 PM (MT22W)

But the GOP is all dicks. Limp dicks.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 02:23 PM (MYSVz)

284 She said anybody who understands military history knows about the flag.

It seems that nobody knows that the Palmetto Flag is a secessionist flag adopted when the state left the Union. Can't get more "racist" than that.

Posted by: Teafran at June 24, 2015 02:24 PM (6awKZ)

285 I know that our constitution gave us a governing organization that is best run by a two-party system, but why did we let the democrat party get away with treason in 1861 and not be outlawed?

Posted by: SEA-man at June 24, 2015 02:24 PM (Kxz3Y)

286 So. Did Ace like the Anne Coulter Movie?

Posted by: Garrett at June 24, 2015 02:24 PM (OZ2R7)

287 Food is important.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at June 24, 2015 02:16 PM

So is booze. Looking ahead, I think I might need to stock up before election night in 2016. Because I'm probably going to need it.

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 02:24 PM (MT22W)

288 if the idea of America was sprouted on the Australian continent, would it be less "American" for that?

If Washington, Hamilton, Adams, Madison and so forth had established colonies and the east coast of Australia, with the same ideas of self-governance, would it really matter that the terrain was different, and winter was summer?

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 01:56 PM (bhepQ)
___________________________

No, because it isn't the geographical location that is the point; it's the person's history IN that location.

If America had been built on the continent of Australia, instead of the continent of North America, and 40 or 50 generations of my family had worked and struggled and sacrificed and fought and died to build that Australian America, don't you think I'd have a deeper appreciation for that country than some Indian or Pakistani immigrant who just hopped off the boat in Sydney Harbor a couple of years ago?

Sure, that immigrant might be a sterling character, and he or she might even have a deep respect for the rule of law or the idea of self-governance. But that immigrant won't have my reverence for the land that generations of my ancestors consecrated with their blood.

America is more than just an ideal. It is also a country, a country that was built by many generations of Americans. Recent immigrants can share in the American ideal, but they aren't part of our history. And pretending otherwise is just dishonest.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 24, 2015 02:24 PM (kGrdk)

289 "Of course ... that money that Hamilton is on is being actively destroyed as we breathe ..."

I like Mollie Hemingway's suggestion that if we're putting new faces on the currency, we need to include the dour visage of Tricky Dick Nixon.

Who did more than anyone to unmoor the buck from being a stable store of value, when he closed the gold window.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2015 02:24 PM (noWW6)

290 Thanks, Ann, for providing the Left w/another opportunity to call all of us racists.

I agree w/Ace about assimilation, but yeah, that's making a broad assumption about Haley simply because her family immigrated here (and she was born here). Ugly.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 24, 2015 02:25 PM (NOIQH)

291 Ace, nice xenophobic rant you have there. The majority of immigrants do assimilate. How about you get out of your mom's basement and see the real world. Its due to racist/nativists like you why Hillary will win in a walk. Your hate creates more Democrat votes.

I'm sure the DNC and Soros give you a check to push this nativist crap.

Posted by: Conservatism is dying at June 24, 2015 02:25 PM (hPN1s)

292 The Tungsten Window is still open.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:25 PM (C5Jpx)

293 Ahhh... media.

"Gov. Scott Walker, one week after the fatal shootings of nine people inside a Charleston church, is set to sign a pair of bills loosening Wisconsin's gun laws."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 24, 2015 02:25 PM (O7MnT)

294 Yeah I know they're flying the emblem of a racist quasi-feudal slave empire and they want to pretend it's harmless. They just might be rednecks.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 02:25 PM (8rRE+)

295 Well, the Repukes just lost the south now. Great going geniuses.

Posted by: Birthers are right at June 24, 2015 02:26 PM (OFRmn)

296 The problem isn't that they don't have them, it's what they're doing with them.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2015 02:23 PM (h4vJk)

"Ow! My ass!" -the current version of Idiocracy in which I currently live

Posted by: physics geek at June 24, 2015 02:26 PM (MT22W)

297 Woopie, jizz gargling Hector begs Ace for a dessert turd.

Posted by: maddogg at June 24, 2015 02:26 PM (xWW96)

298 I know that our constitution gave us a governing organization that is best run by a two-party system, but why did we let the democrat party get away with treason in 1861 and not be outlawed?

Posted by: SEA-man at June 24, 2015 02:24 PM (Kxz3Y)

Because Lincoln wanted to bind up the nation's wounds.

I imagine a President Stanton might well have tried to outlaw the Democrat party. For all the good it would have done us.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 24, 2015 02:26 PM (zF6Iw)

299 "It's utterly charming that you think the Confederate flag won't be thrown in the GOPs face for the rest of the election season."

So, the obvious thing to do is defend it. Jesus. The stupid, it burns.

No, the obvious thing to do is exactly what Haley and others are doing. Say, "fine, take the bitch down, I never cared that much for it, myself, anyway."

And next week, when the next desperation hail-Mary, "hope we get conservatives caught up in a social issues morass" liberal ploy comes around, nobody of any importance will once again give a shit about the Confederate flag, just like nobody of any importance gave a shit about 10 days ago. The Left is on it's last legs and is flailing. Read Williamson's piece in NRO today.

The key is not stepping into their trap. Try it.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at June 24, 2015 02:26 PM (ljZD2)

300 >>> Ace, nice xenophobic rant you have there. The majority of immigrants do assimilate.

and yet they're flying mexican flags in california schools, and demadnig the american flag be taken down as "triggering."

I like how the guy who does nothing but troll blogs all day (this one in particular) is telling other people to get out of their mom's basement, and get a better Life Plan together.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 02:27 PM (bhepQ)

301 Posted by: mhjhnsn at June 24, 2015 02:21 PM (FZdvr)

Seeing that it's against the law to fly any Nazi era flags in Germany I don't think that would happen. And what I don't want to happen is the slow roll to banning speech some find offensive.

Posted by: The 80's at June 24, 2015 02:27 PM (CCNCh)

302 I say again, to defeat the SJWs you must go one step farther. Not only adopt their tactics, but go balls out.

Ban the name of the "Democrat" party. It is the soul of racism and slavery.

CHANGE THE CONVERSATION. this rebel flag shit is just a fucking distraction. Pull a Godfrey Elwick on these fuckers and go balls in.

I'd bet you'd wake a lot of people up that the Democrat party was the party of slavery and jim crow.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 02:27 PM (q5APL)

303 Ann Coulter is the face of the modern Republican party. An entity made up of drug addicted white trash protestant racists.

2016 will be your reckoning.

Posted by: Conservatism is dying at June 24, 2015 02:27 PM (hPN1s)

304
Popehat Popehat

Nikki Haley is a native South Carolinian.

Ann Coulter is a New York carpetbagger who thinks "grits" is plural.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 24, 2015 02:27 PM (kdS6q)

305 289 I'd say its 50/50 they choose the famous Secretary of State, Senator and feminist icon Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 02:27 PM (8rRE+)

306 "Gov. Scott Walker, one week after the fatal shootings of nine people
inside a Charleston church, is set to sign a pair of bills loosening
Wisconsin's gun laws."

Have you seen the WI state flag? It's an ode to war and Gaia-rape.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 24, 2015 02:28 PM (ZKzrr)

307 I like Mollie Hemingway's suggestion that if we're putting new faces on the currency, we need to include the dour visage of Tricky Dick Nixon.

Who did more than anyone to unmoor the buck from being a stable store of value, when he closed the gold window.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2015 02:24 PM (noWW6)

Yep. He made the transition to a total fiat currency. And the weird part is that people, these days, think that paper money has always been a fiat currency with nothing behind it. I guess the 70s were just too long ago for people to know ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 24, 2015 02:28 PM (MYSVz)

308 Oh Ace,

It's gotten even worse than that. Now, THE FUCKING US FLAG can be banned in certain 9th Cir schools as it "may incite violence."

The heckler's veto. Just what in the fuck is going on in this country.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 02:29 PM (q5APL)

309 The key is not stepping into their trap. Try it.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy

The key is doing exactly what leftists order you to do.

The asshole murdered people. The New (and improved!) Black Panthers murdered people; they and their symbols aren't illegal. Bill Ayers isn't persona non grata (except in Canada). Neither is that creation of the democrats, the KKK. Pretending that a mob wanting to lynch a flag is a good and just thing is sick; don't be part of it.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 24, 2015 02:29 PM (Spluw)

310 "Conservatism is dying" has a lot of time on his hands since the UK election.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 02:30 PM (q5APL)

311 "Mein Freund's grandfather was drafted, and went along to the eastern
front because he didn't want his wife and children to be shot. I understand this is not a good enough excuse for most of the Horde."

Guy Sajer's _The Forgotten Soldier_ is instructive for people who say, "Well, of course everyone serving in the German armed forces under the Nazis knew all about Nazi atrocities and Holocaust camps. How could they not?"

As Sajer points out, on the _Ostfront_, not only did the ordinary troops have absolutely no idea what was going on at home, they had no idea most of the time even *where they were*, other than "somewhere in Russia".

They were utterly isolated and absolutely out of regular communication by 1940s standards, to say nothing of 21st century standards. No newspapers, mail, telegrams, radio, nothing. Often they were left entirely disorganized and uncommanded.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2015 02:30 PM (noWW6)

312 Pretty sure there are municipalities in NJ and California (among others) are flying the Palestinian Flag.

Posted by: Garrett at June 24, 2015 02:30 PM (OZ2R7)

313 Ban the Stars and Stripes. The flag that flew over Pali Apartheid and Genocide.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:31 PM (C5Jpx)

314 I wish Haley and everyone else banning the flag announced that they were removing a "Legacy of hatred, racism, and slavery perpetuated by the Democrat party against the citizens of the United States". Shut the fucking SJWs up once and for all.

Posted by: Iblis at June 24, 2015 02:31 PM (9221z)

315 I think wraps are stupid.

Have a burrito or have a sandwich not both.

Posted by: DaveA at June 24, 2015 02:31 PM (DL2i+)

316 {I}No, the obvious thing to do is exactly what Haley and others are doing. Say, "fine, take the bitch down, I never cared that much for it, myself, anyway."

Now, change the names of every school, fort, and highway with a Confederate connection. You don't care, you're not a southerner. We're going to keep throwing it in your face 'til you do.

Now, criminalize hate speech. We'll define hate speech on our terms. If you don't, we're going to keep throwing it in your face until you do.

Then, ban assault weapons. You don't own one, so what do you care? We're just going to keep throwing it in your face until you do.

Then, we're going to talk about reparations.

The left doesn't stop making demands just because you make a concession.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 24, 2015 02:31 PM (O7MnT)

317 >>It's gotten even worse than that. Now, THE FUCKING US FLAG can be banned in certain 9th Cir schools as it "may incite violence."

truly this assimilation!

It is not racist to prefer centripedal forces over centrifugal ones.

We've gone quite far enough in deconstructing and debasing America, thank you very much. We need to repair and rebuild her, not tear her apart some more.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 02:31 PM (bhepQ)

318
gawd, trumpetdaddy, you come off as politically naive. "bait" WTF? Nobody in the country who's worth anything or ever reachable politically will be moved in any way, one way or the other, by all this flag idiocy. There's not one vote to be lost, not a single one, anywhere, in nuking this bizarre mob riot, as opposed to complying with its crazy demands.

The left is on its last legs, and flailing? Do you spend any time in the US? Just curious.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2015 02:32 PM (QDnY+)

319
"If the GOP had any dicks, ..."

I have whiskey dick.

Posted by: John Boehner at June 24, 2015 02:32 PM (OD2ni)

320 The problem isn't that they don't have them, it's what they're doing with them.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2015 02:23 PM (h4vJk)

Check my nic for a hint

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 24, 2015 02:32 PM (fWAjv)

321 "i spoke for the Establishment and now speak against them (mainly). My transition wasn't dishonest."

I agree yours wasn't. Apple-orange to Coulter, who just seven months ago was saying dissidents should be choked and still hasn't owned her mistake.

If you look at my comment history here I was in the "no third party, fix the GOP" camp up until the last couple of years. I finally lost trust after being lied to several hundred too many times.

Coulter hasn't acknowledged she was duped or wrong and she otherwise seems to be doing the classic Cicero - keeping one foot in each camp waiting to see who comes out on top.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 02:32 PM (WIOql)

322 by the way, might I innocently point out that if Mr Roof had wrapped himself in the US Flag instead of burning it, the SJW loonies would be saying that this is just more proof that the American Flag is a symbol of racism.

Posted by: mallfly at June 24, 2015 02:32 PM (qSIlh)

323 Isn't Hector calling the post a 'nativist rant' simply an admission that immigration is balkanizing society? Gibbering little fool refutes his own condemnation.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 24, 2015 02:32 PM (oVJmc)

324 One other thing I appreciate about Coulter: her lengthy critique of Darwinism in "Godless."

I'd never heard those arguments before! I'm 47 years old, and while I'm not a scholar I HAVE been to college, yet I never encountered a critique of Darwinism before! I grew up with an understanding that Charles Darwin's theory of Evolution was proven fact.

She made me consider something else, and that's a good thing.

Posted by: Kensington at June 24, 2015 02:32 PM (7Kbxu)

325 Hey ACE

caught me in the last banning

Hash 3ZtZW

Thanks

Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at June 24, 2015 02:32 PM (xaWUq)

326 312---you are right. The Palestinian flag flies over City Hall in Paterson, NJ. Or at least it did a few weeks ago for some holiday.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2015 02:33 PM (HSHrV)

327 I agree with Coulter most of the time, but in this case I wonder if she's just being a contrarian gadfly.

That said, I'm still amused by annoyed leftoids.

Posted by: logprof at June 24, 2015 02:33 PM (h1usM)

328 i never like slipperly slope arguments, because they tend to postulate a parade of horrible things, which are claimed to be things we wish to avoid, while conspicuously ducking the question of whether the thing we're actually talking about right now should be kept or abandoned.

Someone making the argument that we shouldn't ban the CFB only because next they'll demand x y or z is kind of implicitly admitting he has no particularly good reasons to keep the CFB itself.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 02:33 PM (bhepQ)

329 One more assimilation point:

Breitbart reports polling that shows 51% of US Muslims want choice of whether to live under sharia.

25% are ok with violence against Americans in support of a global jihad.

Diversity is strength.
War is peace.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 02:33 PM (q5APL)

330 It's gotten even worse than that. Now, THE FUCKING US FLAG can be banned in certain 9th Cir schools as it "may incite violence." The heckler's veto. Just what in the fuck is going on in this country.
Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 02:29 PM (q5APL)

-------------------------------------------

Yup. This whole CBF controversy has opened the floodgates to banning the American flag. Congratulations everyone.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2015 02:33 PM (P25Hh)

331 Here comes the rain.
Who'll stop the rain?

Posted by: Roy Batty at June 24, 2015 02:34 PM (Za1ir)

332 "Chris Balsz, don't look at the fantail of today's Japanese naval
vessels. The rising sun ensign you'll see there might confusulate what
I'm guessing is your attempt at ironic humor, or something."

I was gobsmacked to realize that today's Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force has resurrected certain ship names from the Imperial Japanese Navy. To include the names of ships which participated in the strike on Pearl Harbor.

But, as with southern states opting to display the Confederate battle ensign, I figure it is their business to decide on their own symbolism and nomenclature.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2015 02:34 PM (noWW6)

333 @300
You are talking about one stupid school strict. Who runs the schools? Hint it ain't Mexicans. I'm sure you are fine with the German subculture that existed until WWI, since they were the correct race.

Instead of bitching that Immigrant don't assimilate which is lie, why don't you teatards take over schools and change the curriculum to a pro American one? Oh that's rights you wouldn't have something to bitch about.

If Dylann Roof killed a bunch of Mexicans, you would view him as a hero. He's cut from the same cloth as you.

Posted by: Conservatism is dying at June 24, 2015 02:34 PM (hPN1s)

334
Ann has always tended to go off the deep end and then come back with something excellent.

As far as the assimilation in the old days, I'd say it was much more difficult then we like to think. Look how long it took to margionalize the Italian mob.

Posted by: DonS at June 24, 2015 02:35 PM (Q2pWM)

335 the buck from being a stable store of value,

There is no such thing.

Posted by: DaveA at June 24, 2015 02:35 PM (DL2i+)

336 whether or not the CFB can be plausibly said to be offensive

What isn't considered offensive in some way these days, though?

On her military point, the south did have good generals or we would lost quickly. Once the north got their shit together, they won. They had the manpower and the manufacturing. That doesn't mean Lee wasn't a good general and a great man, in particular for his speech after concession:

'Lee began to speak. "Boys, I have done the best I could for you. Go home now. And if you make as good citizens as you have soldiers, you will do well. I shall always be proud of you. Goodbye. And God bless you all."'

Posted by: Lea - Not Everybody Likes Us at June 24, 2015 02:35 PM (lIU4e)

337 There is a guy with a whip standing over a shoeless guy with a pick on the Wisconsin flag.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:36 PM (C5Jpx)

338 OT, but (via Drudge) Free Beacon has nailed Cheryl Mills (Hilldog's top hatchet man...errr...fixer) for taking nearly $200K from an NYU-associated entity funded by the United Arab Emirates while she was employed at the State Department and in a direct position of significant influence over policy affect the UAE.

"Experts" think this may be an indication of corruption. I wonder what it would take for "experts" to just come right out and say she's a corrupt piece of shit traitor?

Just asking.

Posted by: MTF at June 24, 2015 02:36 PM (5ZRXN)

339 "The left doesn't stop making demands just because you make a concession."

It isn't a "concession" if it isn't something you gave a shit about in the first place. I sincerely doubt that Nikki Haley gave two thoughts to the Confederate flag on that memorial before last week.

The Left wants conservatives to defend the flag. They want that. That's the whole point of this exercise, to put conservatives on the side of race hatred and slavery to gin up the black vote for Hillary.

So, don't accept the premise. Don't step into the trap. They don't care about the flag any more than Haley does, they just want an issue. So don't give them one.

Be smarter than the Left for once in your life.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at June 24, 2015 02:36 PM (ljZD2)

340 >>Apple-orange to Coulter, who just seven months ago was saying dissidents should be choked and still hasn't owned her mistake.

it is a characteristic of many of us political-types that we are pretty extreme and insistent that whatever we believe RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT is obviously the transcendent truth and anyone who disagrees should probably be sewn into a sack filled with hungry ferret and cast into the Tiber.

Posted by: ace at June 24, 2015 02:36 PM (bhepQ)

341 @329
Those are the Muslims people on this website adore.

Posted by: Conservatism is dying at June 24, 2015 02:36 PM (hPN1s)

342 oh, link in 338

http://bit.ly/1HhrkAe

Posted by: MTF at June 24, 2015 02:36 PM (5ZRXN)

343 I've lived in the South for many years.

One thing Ace nailed 100% correctly.

Yes, there is some racism for those who carry the flag among some. Only an idiot would deny that.

But, for the most part, it's basically a way most Southerners are simply saying: FUCK YOU.

Race relations in the south are 100 times better than the north in my opinion, and I've lived in both.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 02:36 PM (q5APL)

344 Why don't we ban the Union Jack? After all, the Brits were our enemies during the Revolution, not to mention the fact that they were also racist colonizers of hell-holes across the globe. Also, I see Puerto Rican flags all over the place. Didn't Puerto Ricans shoot up the Congress in 1948? Or Mexican flags--plenty of them here in NJ. We had a war with them in 1848.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2015 02:36 PM (HSHrV)

345 "... there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate Army."

I would have to put the army that beat them in the category of greater.

I also think there are a lot of armies with better records than zero wins and one loss.

Posted by: Mike S at June 24, 2015 02:37 PM (Gyg4r)

346
why don't you teatards take over schools and change the curriculum to a pro American one?

Which acknowledges thatyou commiecrats run the schools. May of us are homeschooling or seeking out private schools (ones not also infested by Left pseudo- academia, anyway).

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 02:38 PM (GsebS)

347 People willing to go along with banning the CBF are simply people with no attachment to it. It's no shame I guess. If lutefisk offended some class of my fellow citizens, I'd be indifferent to it's banning, or maybe even in favor if I thought it would get them to SHUT THE FUCK UP about it.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 02:39 PM (evdj2)

348
torque, many of those JMSDF ship names you refer to are traditional names, with pre-WWII history, so it's not that surprising they still use some. Place names, mythical references, etc. There's simply no specific connection between ship names in use in WWII and the militarism that destroyed the country.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2015 02:39 PM (QDnY+)

349 >>Why don't we ban the Union Jack?

Better yet, let's just have the left come up with a list of all the things they wish to ban. And then let's agree to ban them, just so to deny them the argument.

Because that's how you win, according to some.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 24, 2015 02:39 PM (O7MnT)

350 "I never like slippery slope arguments..."

There's something to be said for the fact that a failure to challenge the first unjust demand for tribute encourages future demands, though. The corporatist and establishment-religion cowardice demonstrated over Indiana and now over South Carolina will continue to grease the slope and force us toward Good Think unless a definitive "NO" is issued at some point. We're definitely at the stage where that's up for discussion, and frankly I would have drawn the line in Indiana. It's no longer implausible to think - as Limbaugh speculated - that the American flag is on a target list for the forseeable future.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 02:39 PM (WIOql)

351 To the extent that most immigrants seem to not want to assimilate, I blame the education establishment. And not just left-wing college profs. It starts in k-12.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2015 02:40 PM (HSHrV)

352 @77...Jen, you nailed it. I think 32% of black Mississippians voted to keep the flag ten years ago. Not sure how that would be argued.

I like Coulter ok, think she likes to provoke and poke, then sit back and laugh. She is wrong about Haley and/or Jindal. I do think Haley surrendered to pressure in a very olde argument to pacify. Whatever.

General Lee, should any of the people who spew hatred, was a very good man. Read his biography. A very good general from West Point. And the Confederate flag has never, in my redneck heart, meant yay! slavery, but it is history. And, I do think, had the reconstruction not been so appallingly horrific for the South, there would have not been the chip on shoulder pride of survival. I repeat x 1000, I was not raised with racism. Did not know a racist, and I am from the deepest heart of Dixie. The media stereotyped then as now, in that nothing changes. Our dear preznit has uttered the n word more than I have. My family has black friends. My sons, raised with all sorts of people, have Hispanic, black, Indian, and Asian friends. One even has a friend from Bosnia. So bite moi.

And, because I am not supposed to have a flag I now want one. Sort of like not eating Dove dark chocolate with my morning tea...I am not supposed to based on something, but I do, based on I want to, it is caffeine, it is early and calories burned off, and I am a Queen. Do not tell me what I cannot do or have as it does bring out the Huguenot rebel in my DNA.

I am watching for who will capitalize on this and make some $$$. Capitalism, evil market of free world. Guess ban this as well.

So, once the entire Civil War is scrapped from history, what then? Are Irish or the Scotland flag allowed in Britain? I know when I see the Gadsden flag the first thing I do is shoot my cannon towards England.

######white flags flyin' in surrender (ha)####

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,aging Redneck Queen supermodel, has a Hobbit foot at June 24, 2015 02:40 PM (FCPu0)

353 Someone making the argument that we shouldn't ban the CFB only because next they'll demand x y or z is kind of implicitly admitting he has no particularly good reasons to keep the CFB itself.

Posted by: ace

The dear leader and co waited almost six years to try maj hasan, and to this day lies about the symbols that motivated him.

This is rank opportunism. This is no different from the vermin that held a hate filled rally at the "memorial for Sen Wellstone or the t-shirt giveaway/Navahoshaman gig/memorial fiasco after the shootings in Arizona.

This is waving the bloody shirt.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 24, 2015 02:40 PM (Spluw)

354 conservatism is dead is quite stupid. he isn't worth the time.

let him continue to fly the proud flag of the democrats, he has a proud history of supporting slavery and racism.

frankly, his continued allegiance to such racist and slave roots is offensive.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 02:40 PM (q5APL)

355 The funny thing is that you see the confederate flag a lot now in West Virginia, which exists as a state only because it split from Virginia to align with the Union. Oh my!

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2015 02:40 PM (aO1W9)

356 WI state flag? It's an ode to war and Gaia-rape.

There's already a pyramid of cheese wheels.

Posted by: DaveA at June 24, 2015 02:40 PM (DL2i+)

357 Instead of bitching that Immigrant don't assimilate which is lie, why don't you teatards take over schools and change the curriculum to a pro American one? Oh that's rights you wouldn't have something to bitch about.
Posted by: Conservatism is dying at June 24, 2015 02:34 PM (hPN1s)

---------------------------------------

That's exactly what we've done in OK. So suck it, fuckwit.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2015 02:41 PM (P25Hh)

358 I wish they did it like the Brits where the judge puts the purple square of cloth on their head and says I condemn you to death -- may God have mercy on your soul.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2015 02:41 PM (iQIUe)

359 Once you pay the Blame Geld, you never get rid of the Blame.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 02:41 PM (evdj2)

360 And, as usual, Hector goes from zero to batshit crazy at a speed that Lamborghini would envy.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2015 02:42 PM (h4vJk)

361 off topic: headline at weaselzippers:

AP: Obama's Nuke Deal With Iran Requires America To Supply Iran With State-Of-The-Art Nuclear Technology...

[can we even use the word 'insanity' any more?]

Posted by: mallfly at June 24, 2015 02:42 PM (qSIlh)

362 Coulter was click-whoring before click-whoring was cool.

That is all she is doing now.
Master American history with this one weird trick!
History profs hate this single mom's history hack!

Posted by: wooga at June 24, 2015 02:43 PM (QhgyC)

363 Someone making the argument that we shouldn't ban the CFB only because next they'll demand x y or z is kind of implicitly admitting he has no particularly good reasons to keep the CFB itself.

Yeah, but they'd've been proven right, wouldn't they?

Posted by: AmishDude at June 24, 2015 02:43 PM (JIElb)

364 Ace you called for dissolving the US which is treason. You have no moral high ground to question others patriotism. One thing you are doing is showing the racist nature of the conservative movement.

Dylann Roof is your creation. The hate you spew encouraged his mindset.

Ace you are an traitor and I will enjoy seeing you weep helplessly when Hillary romps to a win.

Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 02:44 PM (DasX0)

365 355 The funny thing is that you see the confederate flag a lot now in West Virginia, which exists as a state only because it split from Virginia to align with the Union. Oh my!

All that cousin humping clouds the brain.

Posted by: wooga at June 24, 2015 02:44 PM (QhgyC)

366 You know and I know that taking down the Confederate flag isn't going to fix a fucking thing, but from where I sit, it's not a hill worth dying on.

Posted by: douger at June 24, 2015 02:44 PM (eM6QK)

367
Then there is AoShq clickbate: Boobies!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2015 02:44 PM (iQIUe)

368 >>frankly, his continued allegiance to such racist and slave roots is offensive.

Frankly, he's tedious. And a little sick in the head, I think.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 24, 2015 02:44 PM (O7MnT)

369 Warren before the other one.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:45 PM (C5Jpx)

370 And, as usual, Hector goes from zero to batshit crazy at a speed that Lamborghini would envy.

Hector has one speed: Anyone who doesn't think like I tell them to is intolerant and IKEELYOOOOO!

Repeat ad infinitum.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 24, 2015 02:45 PM (oVJmc)

371 "... and anyone who disagrees should probably be sewn into a sack filled with hungry ferret and cast into the Tiber."

True, and I'm certainly guilty on that score - but owning the mistake is the important distinction in my book. If you or anyone else knows of a mea culpa she's issued for which I'm unfairly denying credit, please put me some knowledge. I've always liked Ann before and like Reagan said, I'm still reading her, I'm just enjoying it less.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 02:45 PM (WIOql)

372 "Coulter was click-whoring before click-whoring was cool."

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

There is much gold in them thar hills of "playing the strident conservative on TV."

Especially when one doesn't have to actually win an election or govern a state or country. Just run one's mouth on TV for fun and profit.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at June 24, 2015 02:45 PM (ljZD2)

373 Obama's Nuke Deal With Iran Requires America To Supply Iran With State-Of-The-Art Nuclear Technology...>>>

I could see this as being a good ruse to F up Iran's Nuke program if it were anyone besides Obama they were dealing with.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 24, 2015 02:46 PM (tf9Ne)

374 The Dens are responsible for the stars & bars flying all over the south and they were fine with it before the south went Republican (see Clinton/Gore "sons of the South" election memorabilia) so while I thinking people like Halethorpe are diffusing the let's attempt to complety rewrite history to transform the flag into a "Relublican" problem, I want to see people like Haley et al point out that the Stars and Bars has NEVER been associsted with the GOP and has always been a DEMOCRAT symbol.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at June 24, 2015 02:46 PM (19RKp)

375 @364, well bless your heart, you have the brain of a turnip.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,aging Redneck Queen supermodel, has a Hobbit foot at June 24, 2015 02:46 PM (FCPu0)

376 Hillary will never make it to the election. She will stroke out before her first debate.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2015 02:46 PM (iQIUe)

377
Once you pay the Blame Geld, you never get rid of the Blame.

*golf clap*

Posted by: Bandersnatch - alexian at June 24, 2015 02:46 PM (JtwS4)

378 >>>MEANWHILE our national debt is out of control. Iran is getting the bomb.
Russia is invading Ukraine. Ebola. China is snatching up the south
seas. OPM gets hacked. There is a massive refuge crises from Syria and
Libya. ISIS. Obamacare costs jumping 30%. Hollowing out of the U.S,
military. Uncontrolled immigration, including an out of control H1B visa
program. Suffocating regulation, voraciously expanding entitlements,
slow growth. Impending Greek collapse. I could go on for pages regarding
the multitude of disasters overseen by the idiot in chief.<<<

Did you see that Barry Obama has a new set of golf clubs? And Kim Kardashian's ass is growing bigger every day!

Posted by: Fritz at June 24, 2015 02:46 PM (UzPAd)

379 Ace, that seems like a waste of a perfectly good ferret.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 24, 2015 02:46 PM (+aCe4)

380 The Constitution isn't a hill worth dying on.

Posted by: Chelsea Bohner at June 24, 2015 02:46 PM (C5Jpx)

381 I find your repetition disingenuous and non-persuasive. As a 1st gen American, obviously she has no dog in the fight over the flag, and will simply default to capitulation on the issue. But you knew that's what she was saying and went for the dumbed-down argument anyway.

Posted by: Strictly from apathy at June 24, 2015 02:46 PM (T1r1s)

382
Ace you are an traitor and I will enjoy seeing you weep helplessly when Hillary romps to a win.

Hillary isn't going to sign off on your Atzlan either, and you won't find political cunnilingus on her as enjoyable as political fellatio on Obama.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 02:47 PM (GsebS)

383 The funny thing is that you see the confederate flag a lot now in West Virginia, which exists as a state only because it split from Virginia to align with the Union. Oh my!

Well, they did vote Robert "Sheets" Byrd in power for 50 years....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 24, 2015 02:47 PM (HSHrV)

384 @346
Get this through your head, not everyone who hates the conservative movement is on the Left. I grew up admiring the Republican party due to their anti Communist stances and pro market philosophy. Now today's GOP is just an collection of racists and theocrats.

Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 02:47 PM (DasX0)

385 249 As I said yesterday. I don't see the CBF as a sign of slavery. I'm seeing it now as a sign of rebellion. And, yes, I'll be buying one.

The left always claims that meanings change with time. Well, the meaning of the CBF has changed to "the feds can go fuck themselves" as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2015 02:15 PM (P25Hh)

Ditto!

Although I'm thinking about the Bonnie Blue flag.

Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2015 02:47 PM (zoehZ)

386
ace, the "burden of proof", so to speak, is on those wanting to not change the status quo (i.e., those not baying for banning the CBF, not just on public spaces but from Amazon, etc.)? Huh?

That instantly - and characteristically - does what has been getting us to this point in the first place (the point where a blogger I like says things I am thinking, like "is this America any more?"). Stipulate some idiotic, baseless thing barfed up by the stupid, racist, alien opposition that is ruining the country.

And yes, the slippery slope is alive and well, and far from a hypothetical. "Hate crime?" Remember when that ridiculous, un-American, unconstitutional "idea" first surfaced, on the margins? (the chief lobbyist for the ACLU at the time it first was heard on the Hill simply rolled his eyes and said "please, don't ask" when I brought it up in our hockey locker room - that's how ridiculous *HE* thought it was ). Today?

So stipulating the absurd implication that the CBF has ANYTHING to do with the crimes of an obviously crazy person, and therefore should be banned from polite society, is not material to anything of importance? But bizarre Khmer Rouge-crazy stylings of campus feminists are something worth (extensive, excellent, but exhaustive) rebuke? Huh?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2015 02:47 PM (QDnY+)

387 Ace today you took the white hooded sheets out of the closet. You are traitor like Jefferson Davis and a coward who hides.

Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 02:49 PM (DasX0)

388 Remember when Hector was telling us that we should embrace the Catholic hordes from the South because they would help us slaughter the Muslims?

Quite the salesman, that fellow.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 24, 2015 02:49 PM (oVJmc)

389 Race relations in the south are 100 times better than the north in my opinion, and I've lived in both.
Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 02:36 PM (q5APL)

This is so true. NYC is the most racist city I've ever been in. And its on both sides.

Posted by: Iblis at June 24, 2015 02:49 PM (9221z)

390 dunno - I view the flag thing as a free speech issue.

I can't on one hand argue that Pamela Gellar is being crapped on but then on the other say the confederate flag is intolerable. It just doesn't work for me.

Plus I'm a contrarian. I don't like symbolic measures, and banning a flag is a symbolic measure best left to the symbol-minded.

IMO.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 24, 2015 02:49 PM (eytER)

391 Take a walk on the wild side sometime and wander the fields of mass psychology where you will find liberals, political leftists, and progressives all agog over the power of mass psychology to control great masses of people with just the power of words and symbols. Like all historical great leaders, the left imagine themselves as great leaders, making great inspirational speeches. sending forth their great armies to conquer the world.

Conservatives shun the very idea, and are horrified by it.

Posted by: Thoms Nostrous at June 24, 2015 02:49 PM (Za1ir)

392 But Ann's a big girl, she knows whether she should apologize or not. Her point is what, that Haley is a carepetbagger? Well, Haley is our carpetbagger. eh?
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 01:52 PM (Iv/Hw)

Carpetbagger=yankee. Haley was born in Bamberg, SC.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2015 02:49 PM (t2Kll)

393 Hector, this verbal diarrhea of yours is getting tiresome. Get some help. Seriously.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 24, 2015 02:50 PM (h4vJk)

394 whether or not the CFB can be plausibly said to be offensive

***

That offense is part of the point (not the only point, and maybe some fly the CFB w/o intent to offend) of the CFB.

Fuck you is the point.

I don't think Northerners know why the South flies the CFB but this is American and they can if they want. Maybe now they don't want.

But offense? offennnnseeee? Who cares.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 24, 2015 02:50 PM (Iv/Hw)

395 Why is Alexander Hamilton the only Bastard being taken off the currency? What of Chelsea Lincoln and Caitlyn Grant?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:50 PM (C5Jpx)

396 Hillary isn't going to sign off on your Atzlan either

Mostly because she's going to lose the nomination to Bernie fucking Sanders, which is blowing my mind.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 24, 2015 02:50 PM (ZKzrr)

397 I already hated tea party conservatism, after today I despise it. If the Left gained total power and started camps I would gladly volunteer to help lock up conservatives. They are as evil as Al Qaeda, Is, Hamas or Hezbollah.

Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 02:51 PM (DasX0)

398 This is so true. NYC is the most racist city I've ever been in. And its on both sides.

Posted by: Iblis at June 24, 2015 02:49 PM

*waves*

Posted by: Boston at June 24, 2015 02:51 PM (h4vJk)

399 >>Hillary will never make it to the election. She will stroke out before her first debate.

I'm not worried for Hillary, I'm worried for Bill.

Imagine the public sympathy if she ran as "the Widow Clinton." Every Daytime-TV-addled voter in America would swoon.

And we know that Hillary knows a thing or two about arranging a hit.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 24, 2015 02:51 PM (O7MnT)

400
Coulter recently shifted the immigration debate to a place it hadn't been before: She - and she alone - is calling it a naked play by Democrats to change the electorate and change the country.

Nothing else we say on the issue has as much impact as that, and she is the only one saying it.

And now she's giving the Left cover with her Haley comments.

Posted by: CJ at June 24, 2015 02:51 PM (9KqcB)

401 Slippery slope arguments are mostly true . You can cite a thousand examples to every one where a concession did not lead to an expansion. The CBF is already a slippery slope from when the issue was first raised in SC and an agreement was made a decade ago.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 24, 2015 02:51 PM (CCNCh)

402 If the CBF must be banned because 150 years ago- slavery! All symbols of islam and muslim country's flags should be banned too. After all, muslim countries still practice slavery.

Posted by: delurk ergo sum at June 24, 2015 02:51 PM (5h/SB)

403
Mostly because she's going to lose the nomination to Bernie fucking Sanders, which is blowing my mind.

He's the Ds **RON PAUL!!!**

She's the Ds Nurse Diesel.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 24, 2015 02:52 PM (oVJmc)

404 She might be more electable as a single mother.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:52 PM (C5Jpx)

405 Meanwhile, Iran is not only not banned; it's been taken off the state terrorism list.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 24, 2015 02:52 PM (Spluw)

406
@346
Get this through your head, not everyone who hates the conservative movement is on the Left. I grew up admiring the Republican party due to their anti Communist stances and pro market philosophy. Now today's GOP is just an collection of racists and theocrats.

Spare me. I heard this nonsense aboutUncle Ron when he was our standard bearer too, but it was overshadowed by the obvious Communist menace then. And back then you were Nuclear Freezing and Wage and Price Controlling.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 02:52 PM (GsebS)

407 "Immigrants are no longer being encouraged to give up their old hatreds -- their old, unsettled wars -- carried over from their former countries."
________

I mentioned last night how well Russians and Ukranians get along. Apparently I was quite wrong in the expression of my observation, which is based on admittedly limited experience with Russians and Ukranians and others here in America. So I'll be all paradoxical and stuff and admit I was wrong and stand by what I said at the same time.

Contrary by nature, I have to disagree with someone - and sorry, Ace, but that'll be you today. The immigrants I know embrace assimilation. Whether this is internally motivated or externally encouraged, I can't say.

(Again - this is my limited experience - and they're all Russian speakers. FWIW.)

Posted by: FireHorse at June 24, 2015 02:53 PM (Q6V7q)

408 "Dylann Roof is your creation. The hate you spew encouraged his mindset."

As much as I'd like to point out how this kind of activity has spiraled in the age of Prog Parenting, medicated boys and hypergamy, the truth is that Roof created himself and his immediate family and peer group had more influence on his development than some societal cause celebre.

Thinking like your asinine attempt at blame-shifting is the exact inspiration for my nick, BTW. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

Free men don't kowtow to unearned guilt. Peddle your sores, sackcloth and ashes to someone who's weak-minded enough to listen, troll.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 02:53 PM (WIOql)

409 How much do you think Hector is paid by Media Matters?

Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2015 02:53 PM (659DL)

410 "DasX0" makes one think of a concentration camp Kommandant, yes?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 24, 2015 02:53 PM (O7MnT)

411 One lightning strike away from darkness.
Could happen at any second. . . any second now. .

Posted by: Thoms Nostrous at June 24, 2015 02:53 PM (Za1ir)

412 @382
Aztaln is a conservative bogeyman. That entity never existed nor will it ever. Its the few party's version of the Protocols of Zion.

Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 02:53 PM (DasX0)

413 Yawn, I think talking to Hector is a waste of time.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 02:54 PM (0eidE)

414 352: So what's better, keeping something around that creates hate and mistrust, or doing away with it? Should the statues of Lenin, Stalin, and Hussein all have been left to stand? Should Nicolae Ceausescu's portraits have been left up? If we really believe in the solidarity of the republic, as symbolized by the flag of the United States, then I think we can agree that the confederate flag is a divisive instrument that no longer has a place in our civil, united society. We need to marginalize its power the same as has been done for other icons and symbols that have held sway far longer than we --as united people-- should have allowed them to.

Posted by: Manolo at June 24, 2015 02:54 PM (aO1W9)

415 I wish somebody had a good explanation of this fascination with the size of Kardashian's rear end. Is somebody getting paid by the square inch or something?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 24, 2015 02:54 PM (QLqUE)

416 Netanyahu.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:54 PM (C5Jpx)

417 409 How much do you think Hector is paid by Media Matters?
Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2015 02:53 PM (659DL)

Probably around minimum wage. He probably has to clock in. Think about how many illegal immigrants you could get to do it.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 02:54 PM (0eidE)

418 Dude really really needs his meds...STAT!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2015 02:54 PM (iQIUe)

419 @408
Racists like ace created Roof.

Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 02:55 PM (DasX0)

420 Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 02:49 PM (DasX0)

You're a child rapist which is much worse than a racist.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 24, 2015 02:55 PM (CCNCh)

421
How much do you think Hector is paid by Media Matters?

I'd be interested in seeing where his rotating IPs track to.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 24, 2015 02:55 PM (oVJmc)

422 Imagine the public sympathy if she ran as "the Widow Clinton."

Plus, her sexuality would be free to "evolve".

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 02:55 PM (evdj2)

423 Race relations in the south are 100 times better than the north in my opinion, and I've lived in both. Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2015 02:36 PM (q5APL)

This is so true. NYC is the most racist city I've ever been in. And its on both sides.
Posted by: Iblis at June 24, 2015 02:49 PM (9221z)

------------------------------------------

All the northeast. Both black and white racism.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2015 02:55 PM (P25Hh)

424 Ann is wigging out, but she's still hittable.

Posted by: Feh at June 24, 2015 02:55 PM (SeZn6)

425 415 I wish somebody had a good explanation of this fascination with the size of Kardashian's rear end. Is somebody getting paid by the square inch or something?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 24, 2015 02:54 PM (QLqUE)

I don't get it either. She has a pretty face, but I don't find anything else about her attractive really. Some people like rocky road ice cream, I prefer rum raisin.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 02:56 PM (0eidE)

426 @407
Your observation is correct. The only ones who don't assimilate are Muslims. But the morons here love the Koranimals.

Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 02:56 PM (DasX0)

427 Hmmm. The argument during gamer-gate was a lot different. Then it was all about how outside feminist agitators that didn't understand gamer culture (who can blame them) were coming in and making war on something with incaluble value to gamers.

My issue with these kind off arguments is that nerds/ feminist/ enthusiasts etc. want to force ruthless qualifying prerequisites when it comes to commenting on their special subcultures, but then rarely enforce those prerequisites when it comes to the larger groups that aren't as dearly held by them. This coincidentally allows them to control the agenda of those things they love and then offer drive by commentary on the larger issues.

Now that's fine and admittedly it's kind of silly for Ann to claim to be able to speak for the South- but it is at least inarguable that immigrants are far more likely to have taken the PC narrative of historical events.

Posted by: Sam Haysom at June 24, 2015 02:56 PM (HnB/8)

428 you once had to comport yourself with the Constitution and you became an American....the the Courts allowed the gubberment to crawl up your ass and all that changed

they've got us all running around like ants when the ants home gets kicked

Posted by: torabora at June 24, 2015 02:56 PM (59qrX)

429 "She - and she alone - is calling it a naked play by Democrats to change the electorate and change the country."

She's hardly the first to say that. Brecht cited the "election of a new people" ages ago, and Steyn picked up on that ten years ago in the "America..." books where he explicitly stated that the Dems were seeking permanent demographic re-alignment. Caesar's uncle Marius knew that broadening the franchise was a path to power, as did Romans before him.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 02:57 PM (WIOql)

430 If we really believe in the solidarity of the republic, as symbolized by the flag of the United States, then I think we can agree that the confederate flag is a divisive instrument that no longer has a place in our civil, united society.

Short answer: fuck you. Longer answer: Don't let your enemies define the tolerable as things we all agree on, also fuck you.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 02:57 PM (evdj2)

431 @387, Navelism, darlin', I am sorry you call your father Uncle Daddy, and the inbreeding left you sort of cretinish. We sympathize with the unfortunate. Perhaps you should start a fundme for the inbred low IQ. We know, too, that no one likes you but your Mama (and she thought you were, for sure, mixed up at birth, but she remembered, on delivery, the doctor shouted, "Which end do I slap?"). It is not often a Mama puts two hoodies on her baby and tells folks you are sleeping until toddlerhood.

I do think this is not the correct forum for you as there are a lot of Mensa morons here. Try Dr. Phil.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,aging Redneck Queen supermodel, has a Hobbit foot at June 24, 2015 02:57 PM (FCPu0)

432 If I was truly AS bad as a terrorist the Left would be making excuses for me.

Posted by: Shoot Me at June 24, 2015 02:57 PM (EQcfE)

433 That fact that anyone can refer to a grown man as "Diddy" and do so with a straight face is a sign of the End Times of America.

Posted by: logprof at June 24, 2015 02:57 PM (h1usM)

434 Ann Coulter is weird looking. She probably is a Tranny. Why else would Bill Maher have her on?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 02:57 PM (C5Jpx)

435 I can't wait to come here in November 2016 and see you all weep at losing 3 straight Presidential elections. I do miss the Republican party of George W Bush. It was jot this evil Nazi crap that people like ace turned it into.

Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 02:58 PM (DasX0)

436 Ann seriously needs to make more sandwiches. And eat them. Cheeseburgers, too.

Posted by: wth at June 24, 2015 02:58 PM (wAQA5)

437 "How much do you think Hector is paid by Media Matters?"

I had someone say they got paid by the comment and the time of day the comments are posted. The higher the traffic time the more they were paid.

True?

You make the call.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 24, 2015 02:59 PM (QLqUE)

438 Hector has a POV very similar to the one at The Burning Platform. I bet he hangs there.

Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at June 24, 2015 02:59 PM (xaWUq)

439 "If we really believe in the solidarity of the republic, as symbolized by
the flag of the United States"

Except that there are now substantial numbers of people in the modern USA who do *not* believe in the flag of the United States or the solidarity of the Republic.

Whether it's white anarchist Occupy types in New York burning the flag as a symbol of capitalism, black radicals in the South treading the flag underfoot as a symbol of Whitey Keepin' The Brothers Down, or illegal immigrants in Southern California ripping the flag down and replacing it with the Mexican flag, or school boards everywhere banning the flag on school grounds as "divisive", it's clear that whatever symbolic unifying power Old Glory once had is now greatly diluted.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2015 02:59 PM (noWW6)

440 But the morons here love the Koranimals.

Posted by: Nativism is evil

In one breath, accusing people here of being racist, and in another calling a group of people animals. Interesting.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 24, 2015 02:59 PM (/Ho8c)

441 I smell Serbian cock.

Posted by: logprof at June 24, 2015 02:59 PM (h1usM)

442 Ann seriously needs to make more sandwiches. And eat them.

Aye. She's still a spinner.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:00 PM (evdj2)

443 @429
You really don't think your racist mindset helps drive immigrants into the arms of the Seems. Keep it up, you are doing a good job.

Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 03:00 PM (DasX0)

444 I think Ann is a great debater on actual border issues. She gave a great a great smack down to Jose-What's-His-Name. On this issue it is definately a miss. It comes across as North East mean girl against a female Southern Governor.

This issue has become tedious to me as I look at the bigger issues that are at stake.

Posted by: Cheri at June 24, 2015 03:00 PM (ZFPMM)

445 I should rephrase: I smell some Servian cock on this thread.

Posted by: logprof at June 24, 2015 03:00 PM (h1usM)

446 Pixy needs a Servian Wall.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:01 PM (C5Jpx)

447 I should rephrase: I smell some Servian cock on this thread.

Yeah. Joe's mouthwash isn't cutting it.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:01 PM (evdj2)

448 As a point of order, I haven't come across any mention of the "Rebel flag" in this kerfuffle. Perhaps that's incorrect nomenclature, but I've always heard it called that.

No one I've ever come across who displayed the Confederate Battle Flag has ever identified as Confederate, and none were soldiers that I knew of. But they all saw themselves as rebels in way or another. Thus, you know, the Rebel flag.

(An observation, perhaps germane, from upstate New York. OK, as you were.)

Posted by: FireHorse at June 24, 2015 03:01 PM (Q6V7q)

449 Coulter: "Anyone who knows the first thing about military history knows that there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate Army."

Uh huh. I've read this before, and we in the north (particularly Ohio, which spilled a lot of blood in that war) offer a one-word rebuttal:

Scoreboard.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 24, 2015 03:01 PM (LqrRo)

450 >>If the Left gained total power and started camps I
would gladly volunteer to help lock up conservatives.

Posted by: Nativism is evil

Of course you would. Surprises no one here.

Posted by: Aviator at June 24, 2015 03:01 PM (sQzB6)

451 If we really believe in the solidarity of the republic, as symbolized by the flag of the United States, then I think we can agree that the New (and improved!) Black Panthers is a divisive instrument that no longer has a place in our civil, united society. We need to marginalize its power the same as has been done for other icons and symbols that have held sway far longer than we --as united people-- should have allowed them to.
Posted by: Manolo

Fixed it for you.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 24, 2015 03:02 PM (Spluw)

452 I had someone say they got paid by the comment and the time of day the comments are posted. The higher the traffic time the more they were paid.

True?

You make the call.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 24, 2015 02:59 PM (QLqUE)

--They're not getting their money's worth. Which is fine by me.

Posted by: logprof at June 24, 2015 03:02 PM (h1usM)

453 Can you see the bridge? I can't see the bridge. Because Billy Jeff blew it up.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:02 PM (C5Jpx)

454 Hector is obviously a liar and doesn't listen to reason. Probably best to ignore or ridicule him. I've made up my mind that he's a liar.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:02 PM (0eidE)

455 Standard disclaimer and warning notwithstanding, do I want to google 'The Burning Platform', or should I make a chicken fajita wrap?

Posted by: Thoms Nostrous at June 24, 2015 03:02 PM (Za1ir)

456 Of course you would. Surprises no one here.

That presumes Joe could be forklifted out of his house.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:02 PM (evdj2)

457
Hillary will never make it to the election. She will stroke out before her first debate.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 24, 2015 02:46 PM (iQIUe)
................................
If it's only a mild stroke then she and Bernie Sanders can sit in wheelchairs and gargle at each other.

Posted by: wth at June 24, 2015 03:03 PM (wAQA5)

458 Though he could dispatch his helper monkey to guard the camp.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:03 PM (evdj2)

459
No, Manolo, the CBF is not arguably divisive any more than an OaklandRaider's banner is divisive if unfurled at a Pacific Beach sports bar.

A week ago, nobody was campaigning to ban the CBF. Ergo, it was NOT divisive, or of any importance, to enough Americans, to matter. One way or the other.

And letting this idiotic, absurd conflation of a non-issue (the CBF) with a lunatic murdering people is exactly the sort of concession to irrational, moral panicmanipulation that - in various forms - is part of the reason everything else is where it is today.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 24, 2015 03:03 PM (QDnY+)

460 Coulter's wiki page is as long as a Stasi file.

Posted by: Feh at June 24, 2015 03:03 PM (SeZn6)

461 Blue Hen

Sure and we do denounce them. But your crew are on the trap door at present, so you swing first.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 03:03 PM (8rRE+)

462
In one breath, accusing people here of being racist, and in another calling a group of people animals.

Hector's simply fueled by hate. It's Borderline Personality Disorder. He has a list of angels and devils that rattle around in his head and he stages mock battles between them like a booger-eater with his army men.

And he's apparently posting from his phone today, the autocorrect is working overtime.

Probably switches over when his library address gets banned.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 24, 2015 03:03 PM (oVJmc)

463 I'd read a Republican had already taken down the flags on grounds, but a democrat ran largely on replacing them, he won, and that got the current status of the flag on the memorial, not on the building.

So now they need two thirds vote, and Haley has her political stance. So SC Democrats can choose to keep their flag (assuming they have more than a third), and take the blame and heat for it flying. Democrats could then no longer blame Republicans. Or it gets removed ...

I'm waiting for Lee Circle and Jackson Square to be renamed in New Orleans. Maybe a statue of Obama flipping us the bird, and Brian Williams under fire.

Posted by: Illiniwek at June 24, 2015 03:04 PM (8bK1p)

464
"If the Left gained total power and started camps I
would gladly volunteer to help lock up conservatives.

Posted by: Nativism is evil

Of course you would. Surprises no one here."

Amazing ain't it. All progs are fascists at heart.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 24, 2015 03:04 PM (OD2ni)

465 The purpose of this whole flag issue is to divide Republicans.

Posted by: Feh at June 24, 2015 03:04 PM (SeZn6)

466
She - and she alone - is calling it a naked play by Democrats to change the electorate and change the country."

She's hardly the first to say that. Brecht cited the "election of a new people" ages ago, and Steyn picked up on that ten years ago in the "America..." books where he explicitly stated that the Dems were seeking permanent demographic re-alignment. Caesar's uncle Marius knew that broadening the franchise was a path to power, as did Romans before him.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 02:57 PM (WIOql) I should have clarified that Coulter is saying it where people will actually hear it. Democrats are using immigration to change the electorate (soon our debates over the GOP and limited government will be nothing but empty exercises) and the Right tip toes around it. Stupid.

Posted by: CJ at June 24, 2015 03:05 PM (9KqcB)

467 Tell us again about wiping out the Muslim villages in the Serbian Special Forces, Hector.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 24, 2015 03:05 PM (oVJmc)

468 It's like, you know, like you people are like home skool or something like. When I went to Brattleboro High Skool I learnt in Ms. Cloggenstein's class that the biggest like problem you know what I'm saying is that like the KKK and the NRA and the American Legion still want to like secede but they can't get the John Birch Tea Company like to go along with them but Ms. Cloggenstein said that our beloved President Barack Obama will model the "new" South after our socialist brothers in Zimbabwe and make all the racist rednecks give up like you know what I'm saying their farms to our poor brown brothers to farm and then like we all will sing kumbaya and rap tunes by Jay-Z and Ludichris. You know what I'm saying?

Posted by: 20 years old and stupid at June 24, 2015 03:05 PM (D0NZx)

469 The purpose of this whole flag issue is to divide Republicans.

It's working. Or at least, further dividing Republican from Conservatives.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:05 PM (evdj2)

470 "If the Left gained total power and started camps I would gladly volunteer to help lock up conservatives."

Every now and then I find a comment worth saving just because I'd never be able to find it again. Usually I save the handle too, to give credit. But I can't remember which magnificent Moron described Commissar Syndrome:

"When the revolution comes, they all believe they will be standing (holding a pistol) rather than kneeling (with a pistol held to the back of the head) alongside the ditch. Nothing more."

Posted by: JPS at June 24, 2015 03:05 PM (0k/27)

471 Uh huh. I've read this before, and we in the north (particularly Ohio, which spilled a lot of blood in that war) offer a one-word rebuttal:

Scoreboard.
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 24, 2015 03:01 PM (LqrRo)

--Civil War note: Gen. Douglas MacArthur was the first Medal of Honor recipient who was the son of another Medal of Honor recipient.

It can be argued that the junior MacArthur's medal was somewhat political, but his dad's exploits at the Battle of Chattanooga are worth reading.

Posted by: logprof at June 24, 2015 03:06 PM (h1usM)

472 Captain Pike vs. Admiral Pike.

Two roll in, and only one rolls out.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:06 PM (C5Jpx)

473 Ugh, brain stroke is back throughout this thread. Looking at the timing, his elderly mom is out buying groceries and he has snuck onto her computer again. Time to run back to the basement and for God's sakes, make your bed!

Posted by: Cheri at June 24, 2015 03:06 PM (ZFPMM)

474 "If the Left gained total power and started camps I
would gladly volunteer to help lock up conservatives."

I'm really happy my Second Amendment rights still apply. If "total power" happens, you won't make it anywhere near my neighborhood.

Posted by: Feh at June 24, 2015 03:06 PM (SeZn6)

475 Thus, you know, the Rebel flag.

(An observation, perhaps germane, from upstate New York. OK, as you were.)

Posted by: FireHorse

It is indeed germane. The "rebelling" symbolism is one of the biggest components in the flag's persistence, longevity, and popularity.

A bit like the Wehrmacht-style biker helmets--wearing one doesn't necessarily mean that anti-Semitism and mass murder are near and dear to your heart.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 24, 2015 03:06 PM (/Ho8c)

476 How much do you think Hector is paid by Media Matters?

If he exceeds his quota of posts for the day he gets to blow his supervisor before he goes home.

Posted by: Aviator at June 24, 2015 03:06 PM (sQzB6)

477 I remember the last time Coulter said something incendiary. And the time before that. And the time before that, and....

After a while it is possible to get the impression Coulter says much of what she says, not because she believes what she says, but because she likes saying incendiary things.

For reasons that are patently obvious, if you're willing to be open and honest about it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 24, 2015 03:06 PM (TOk1P)

478 Sure and we have no intention of banning them. That's why we revered Robert Sheets byrd. That's why the new (and improved) black panthers are allowed to threaten people on college campuses and issue boutnies on human beings and thterrorize voters. But your crew are on the trap door at present, so you swing first.
Posted by: Chris Balsz

Ok, I'll swing first; when is bubba clinton going to apologize for flying this flag? When is SosS mommom going to cough up the money she earned in 2008 off of this flag?

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 24, 2015 03:07 PM (Spluw)

479 Posted by: logprof at June 24, 2015 03:02 PM (h1usM)

Will someone please pay me for my comments?; I could use the money. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2015 03:07 PM (OSs/l)

480 So I guess Nikki will not be replacing Lindsay next election. I had hopes.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:08 PM (evdj2)

481 >>Hector is obviously a liar and doesn't listen to reason.

He's a troll who wants to disrupt the thread, often with vile, racist statements to make the blog look bad. There is no reasoning or refuting.

Best not to engage - just ignore.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 24, 2015 03:08 PM (NOIQH)

482 Captain Pike vs. Admiral Pike.

Two roll in, and only one rolls out.
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:06 PM (C5Jpx)

LOL!

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:08 PM (0eidE)

483 How do you get a job writing stupid shit on the internet?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (C5Jpx)

484 Finest army ever to exist ? Panzer Lehr at Bastonge would disagree .

Posted by: Drpullit at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (jDI5T)

485
"Captain Pike vs. Admiral Pike.

Two roll in, and only one rolls out."

Beep. Beep.

Posted by: Captain Pike at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (OD2ni)

486 If he exceeds his quota of posts for the day he gets to blow his supervisor before he goes home.
Posted by: Aviator at June 24, 2015 03:06 PM (sQzB6)

--If his supervisor is Servian, he does it for free.

Posted by: logprof at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (h1usM)

487 I think that everyone here should sign up with MM. Become a Troll!! We could troll each other and make a few buck!!

Then dump the proxys , sit back, relax, have a drink of your choice paid for by the old kapo himself and laugh.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (QLqUE)

488 How do you get a job writing stupid shit on the internet?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (C5Jpx)

Ask ace.

(Sorry, it was there and I just had to)

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (kff5f)

489 He's a troll who wants to disrupt the thread, often with vile, racist statements to make the blog look bad. There is no reasoning or refuting.

Best not to engage - just ignore.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 24, 2015 03:08 PM (NOIQH)

It would conserve the most energy. Though getting him to talk about japanese cars again would be fun.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (0eidE)

490 Captain Pike vs. Admiral Pike.

Two roll in, and only one rolls out.
Posted by: Boss Moss

Wannabes! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

Posted by: Dalek Commentators at June 24, 2015 03:10 PM (2l5vw)

491 There's a gender-neutral person to the left of the speaker at the victims' presser.

Disturbing.

Posted by: Just some guy at June 24, 2015 03:10 PM (yxw0r)

492 How do you get a job writing stupid shit on the internet?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (C5Jpx)

Ask ace.

(Sorry, it was there and I just had to)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet

So, how's that blog you totally don't have?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 24, 2015 03:10 PM (2l5vw)

493 re 443: "the arms of the Seems"

you mean 'Dems', didn't you, dearie. must be getting paid by the post, quality be damned.

Posted by: mallfly at June 24, 2015 03:10 PM (qSIlh)

494 484 Finest army ever to exist ? Panzer Lehr at Bastonge would disagree .
Posted by: Drpullit at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (jDI5T)

Alexander the Great covered a lot of terrain in his time. It might be him or Genghis.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:11 PM (0eidE)

495 Delurking...

A few years ago, I delurked on an ONT and shared my family's history. I would like to do so again.

My paternal grandfather's father's family was traced to a female slave named "Traci" and the slave owner's son in Jenkinsville, South Carolina in 1789. The only reason we know this is that the white half of the family kept such extensive records. The offspring of the slave owner's son and slave were raised by the family. Some of my ancestors fought on both sides of the Civil War. And yet, flash forward to now, and the family still gets together for a huge family reunion every year. We average 500-750 people each year; the reunion is held in different cities where large concentrations of family members are based.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 24, 2015 03:11 PM (S/qwI)

496 "Scoreboard."

Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, Custer and a host of other Ohioans agree.

Srsly, Lee was a better defensive than offensive general and the South had a few brighter stars (Stuart, Forrest), but lacked numbers in terms of talented leaders as well as raw troops, as well as some spectacularly bad ones (Hood, for instance). That war taught a lesson that we've sadly failed to follow in many subsequent wars - if we stay the course and maintain resolve, no one can beat us. Popular sentiment in the North was crying "exit strategy" only weeks after Gettysburg.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 03:11 PM (WIOql)

497 As Lizzy wrote above, the troll is best left ignored and reason has no home in a diseased brain. Little troll gets off on trying to get people to argue with it so it can spew more garbage.

Posted by: Cheri at June 24, 2015 03:11 PM (ZFPMM)

498 So, how's that blog you totally don't have?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 24, 2015 03:10 PM (2l5vw)

I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about.

*whistles tunelessly*

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 24, 2015 03:11 PM (kff5f)

499 "How do you get a job writing stupid shit on the internet?"

Born to the right parents, in the right neighborhood. Knowing the right people, going to the right school, making friends with the right professors. Making friends with the right rich people. Learning how to speak the language. Learning the kant, dogma, code words and how to use them. Then you have to survive the selection process, and you need to be born at the right time when political forces are contesting for power.

Posted by: Thoms Nostrous at June 24, 2015 03:12 PM (Za1ir)

500 Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (C5Jpx)

First off, I think we's have toy be leftist. or Russian Nobody is going to be paying conservative Americans for our stupid s****. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2015 03:12 PM (OSs/l)

501 How do you get a job writing stupid shit on the internet?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (C5Jpx)

I don't know, but it probably is much the same way most of the media get theirs: get down on their knees in front of the people who do the hiring.

Helps if you are blonde and female, but obviously not essential.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 24, 2015 03:12 PM (TOk1P)

502 There's a gender-neutral person to the left of the speaker at the victims' presser.

It's Pat!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:12 PM (evdj2)

503 I saw Hectare on Inkmaster last night, she got an Obama tattoo on her ribcage.

Posted by: wth at June 24, 2015 03:12 PM (wAQA5)

504 It's working. Or at least, further dividing Republican from Conservatives.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:05 PM (evdj2)

------------------------------------

If that's really true, then I see it as a good thing.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2015 03:12 PM (P25Hh)

505 469 The purpose of this whole flag issue is to divide Republicans.

It's working. Or at least, further dividing Republican from Conservatives.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:05 PM (evdj2)

Nope... its an effort to destroy the one Tribe not considered a minority.....

White Males.

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 24, 2015 03:12 PM (qh617)

506 I really like typing lots of text in other people's names. It strikes me as effective commentary to post somebody's response and add to it with my own reflections to let everybody know that not only do I disagree with the response, but I also regard the poster as a tool to be abused in whatever childish manner I can come up with. I am ignorant of what this reveals about my own maturity. Ok, I'll swing first; when is bubba clinton going to apologize for flying this flag? When is SosS mommom going to cough up the money she earned in 2008 off of this flag?
Posted by: Blue Hen at June 24, 2015 03:07 PM (Spluw)

What, and spin out the notion of the Confederate battle flag representing the Old South in all its disgrace? Surely you will give them a pass!

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 03:12 PM (8rRE+)

507 Damn! That last lightning strike went off like a fucking bomb across the street. Good thing it didn't hit the power grid or I would be fried like the last time.

Posted by: Thoms Nostrous at June 24, 2015 03:13 PM (Za1ir)

508 I be that Chick - thanks for sharing. Your reunions must be quite an event and I'm jealous that Iam not a part of it!

Posted by: Cheri at June 24, 2015 03:13 PM (ZFPMM)

509 Posted by: Thoms Nostrous at June 24, 2015 03:12 PM (Za1ir)

Umm, yes, but change all the "right" designations to "left"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2015 03:14 PM (OSs/l)

510 It's Pat!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:12 PM (evdj2)
*snort*

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 24, 2015 03:14 PM (0O7c5)

511 You MIGHT want to go offline, Thoms.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 03:14 PM (8rRE+)

512 N.B. Especially around the time of the Balkan Wars and World War I, it was commonplace to refer to Serbia as Servia. Despite the squiggly red line, it is often spelled that way in England today (the WWI book I am reading right now --authored by a Brit-- spells it with a 'v'). So, I'm not making typos or even trying to be fatuous. . . .

Posted by: logprof at June 24, 2015 03:14 PM (h1usM)

513 I'm a squish on "nativists" because I know Europeans trying to raise families there and stay in the apartments or houses that have belonged to their families for generations and simply can't afford to anymore. They are being forced out, financially squeezed, and under-breeding.

They are looking at extinction, not only of their families, but of their families of families who have built up their cultures over the space of many generations.

So I have sympathy for them at the same time that I, as an American, know that space can be created in any country that would allow non-natives to *become* natives. The majority native population should be able to determine that limit, though.

And everywhere, it seems, the native population is being told by the tranzi political elite "go fuck yourself, racist bigot!"

It's easy to see that the tranzi elite is virtually ensuring that civil war will occur at some point.

Posted by: Feh at June 24, 2015 03:14 PM (SeZn6)

514 This will backfire. They banned the pipes and drums.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:14 PM (C5Jpx)

515 I'm pretty sure the current iteration of the US Marine Corps would cut right through Genghis Khan's horde like a hot knife through butter. Light armor versus cavalry -- I think the Poles tried that against the Germans and it didn't work out very well. Automatic weapons versus spears -- that might turn ugly.

Now, I suppose if Genghis had some crossbows...

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 24, 2015 03:15 PM (LqrRo)

516 All bases named after Confederate Generals that fought a war against the North because of persons of color should not be honored by having Farts named after them. Presdent Obama should renamed these Forts after Persons of Color that died in the war against persons of color and in which was started by TEX-ASS and Bush ancestors. Forts like Fort Hood, and Fort Worth, and Fort Steward should be renamed to honor persons of color that have changed this county like Presdent Obama. Fart Obama would be a name everyone would admire ands be proud of including the racist southern states.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 24, 2015 03:15 PM (lNSdJ)

517 494 484 Finest army ever to exist ? Panzer Lehr at Bastonge would disagree .
Posted by: Drpullit at June 24, 2015 03:09 PM (jDI5T)

Alexander the Great covered a lot of terrain in his time. It might be him or Genghis.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:11 PM (0eidE)

US Army... Desert Storm.

the most lopsided Victory in History.

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 24, 2015 03:15 PM (qh617)

518 Srsly, Lee was a better defensive than offensive general and the South had a few brighter stars (Stuart, Forrest), but lacked numbers in terms of talented leaders as well as raw troops, as well as some spectacularly bad ones (Hood, for instance).
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 03:11 PM (WIOql)

Hey! Hood knew how to take ground whether it cost him a leg or not. Just don't expect him to hold onto it after the battle he gained it.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:15 PM (0eidE)

519 Nood

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:15 PM (evdj2)

520 I became disillustioned with Coulter when she dismissed Harriet Myers, GW's choice to fill a Supreme Court vacancy, mostly because this very capable women wasn't a Hawvaard girl, like Ann.

So we ended up with the wonderful John Roberts.

Sometimes average people have more wisdom than elites.

How's that Roberts thing working out for you, Ann?

Posted by: Supreme Being at June 24, 2015 03:16 PM (SJ184)

521 "I should have clarified that Coulter is saying it where people will actually hear it."

If that's the case, give Laura Ingraham her due as well, and a number of Beck's pundits (for all that Beck himself gives teddy bears to MS-13). I'm not grudging Ann credit, but due to much Mark Levin listening, I'm overly sensitive to claims that "I'm the only one out here saying this" or "I said it first" ("not that I'm looking for credit, of course...").

I know you're saying this, not Ann, but it hits a nerve after listening to Mark claim copyrights to the words feckless, utopia and statism night after night. I like the guy, but between that and the damned doggie stories, sometimes I have to change stations.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 03:16 PM (WIOql)

522 Leonidas the Defaulter.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 24, 2015 03:17 PM (C5Jpx)

523 Supreme Being

I guess she'd want to know if your father was born here.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 03:17 PM (8rRE+)

524 ok, so let's listen to an expert on the subject: http://tinyurl.com/ndxeuvf

[note: it's an image]

Posted by: mallfly at June 24, 2015 03:17 PM (qSIlh)

525 US Army... Desert Storm.

the most lopsided Victory in History.
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 24, 2015 03:15 PM (qh617)

Agreed that was a great campaign, but did we actually hold the territory and continue conquering? It was against only one opponent? That Us army returned and didn't mint coins in Alexandria or Babylon.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:17 PM (0eidE)

526 US Army... Desert Storm.

the most lopsided Victory in History.

Against the Iraqi Army: the ~~8th~~ ~~9th~~ ~~16th~~ ~~27th~~ 443rd Largest army in the world.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:17 PM (evdj2)

527 Ann Coulter writes some stupid stuff because she likes being a lighting rod, or the Republican literary version of a shock jock, and she's been doing it a long time so her gender and her looks probably didn't hurt. Who's going to want to listen to someone who looks like Helen Thomas?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2015 03:18 PM (OSs/l)

528 A bit like the Wehrmacht-style biker helmets--wearing one doesn't necessarily mean that anti-Semitism and mass murder are near and dear to your heart.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 24, 2015 03:06 PM
________

Right! A lot like that. I've never seen a biker in a square army helmet and thought he was an actual Nazi.

I don't bike so I don't hang out with bikers, but I still prejudge people based on appearance and I gauge the guys who look like biker dudes to be the least likely people to cause trouble at a Blue Oyster Cult show.

But the guy in my old town with the bald head and the thick black swastika tattoo on his chest - yeah, I made a point to stay far away from that guy.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 24, 2015 03:18 PM (Q6V7q)

529 re 520: I thought she was Cornell Law School

Posted by: mallfly at June 24, 2015 03:19 PM (qSIlh)

530 520I became disillustioned with Coulter when she dismissed Harriet Myers, GW's choice to fill a Supreme Court vacancy, mostly because this very capable women wasn't a Hawvaard girl, like Ann.

So we ended up with the wonderful John Roberts.

Sometimes average people have more wisdom than elites.

How's that Roberts thing working out for you, Ann?Posted by: Supreme Being at June 24, 2015 03:16 PM (SJ184)
Do you really think Harriet Meiers would not have folded like a cheap dress even faster than John Roberts folded like a cheap suit?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 03:19 PM (GsebS)

531 515 I'm pretty sure the current iteration of the US Marine Corps would cut right through Genghis Khan's horde like a hot knife through butter. Light armor versus cavalry -- I think the Poles tried that against the Germans and it didn't work out very well. Automatic weapons versus spears -- that might turn ugly.

Now, I suppose if Genghis had some crossbows...
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 24, 2015 03:15 PM (LqrRo)

Comparing current armies to past ones won't help us find the greatest army. We have to compare that great army in its time to other great armies in their time.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:19 PM (0eidE)

532 Interesting American story, I be that Chick.

One figure I'd love to read a good book about is James Armistead, who later honored Lafayette by renaming himself James Armistead Lafayette. (One of the main streets in Hampton is named after him.) According to Wiki, he had one child. I wonder if he has any living descendants?

Posted by: logprof at June 24, 2015 03:20 PM (h1usM)

533 I became disillustioned with Coulter when she dismissed Harriet Myers, GW's choice to fill a Supreme Court vacancy, mostly because this very capable women wasn't a Hawvaard girl, like Ann.

So we ended up with the wonderful John Roberts.

Sam Alito just emailed to say WTF?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:21 PM (evdj2)

534 On the finest army thing, I suspect Ann's hamster is speaking louder than her brain - she seems to have a thing for strong southern men.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 03:21 PM (WIOql)

535 Ironic, Ace, that you mention Cooke in reference to Mark Levin.

"No seriously, I recommend it. He sounds like Ringo, if Ringo Starr were the producer of the Mark Levin show."

Cooke argued that Levin would have rejected Reagan, without even trying to understand where Mark Levin comes from.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/cookelevin

I've read Cooke. He should come in live in California, because living the Rich Life (he's from a well off upper class British family) in New York doesn't allow him to see what damage liberals can actually do, when we follow his gentlemanly rules. I've always liked Nikki Haley, but Coulter's words actually do explain Cooke, who makes the right sounds, but upon close examination it looks like parroting.

Frankly, Cooke should go fight the good fight back in Britain. Not come here and tell us that we are too aggressive.

Posted by: Brendan at June 24, 2015 03:22 PM (8YVZT)

536 the most lopsided Victory in History.
Posted by: BB Wolf at June 24, 2015 03:15 PM (qh617)

Seriously?

Posted by: Crazy Horse at June 24, 2015 03:22 PM (h1usM)

537 534 On the finest army thing, I suspect Ann's hamster is speaking louder than her brain - she seems to have a thing for strong southern men.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 24, 2015 03:21 PM (WIOql)

Being a Cowboys fan like Chris Christie doesn't make a man strong or southern.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:23 PM (0eidE)

538
Fart Obama would be a name everyone would admire ands be proud of including the racist southern states.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT
..............................
Now that's a classic.

Posted by: wth at June 24, 2015 03:24 PM (wAQA5)

539 Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 03:19 PM (GsebS)

Alito was the alternate pick to Miers.

And I disagreed with Coulter who did not go to Harvard.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 24, 2015 03:24 PM (CCNCh)

540 "So we ended up with the wonderful John Roberts."
>Supreme Being
Sam Alito just emailed to say WTF?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 03:21 PM

Don't worry about it. I'm pretty sure Supreme Being likes Jeb Bush too.

Harriet Myers would be cementing herself on the Supreme Court as the new left wing hope if she had gotten in.

Posted by: Brendan at June 24, 2015 03:26 PM (8YVZT)

541 America is not an idea, and it is not a race.
It is, partly, about place.
The wilderness, the distance, the extremes of temperature and climate, the frontier, etc.
Some of those places no longer exist, but are I think part of a uniquely American history and perspective.
There is (or once was) something unique about the American people. I agree that "race" doesn't give you membership, and you can be a member of any race. But it does require being steeped in some perspectives about the individual, about liberty, about fundamental decency, something to do with the English speaking world and its traditions, the rule of law, a certain sense of humor, a type of tolerance that is not so much an "idea" as part of our makeup as people.
My problem with reducing America to "an idea" is to imply that, as with an idea, you can just come to an understanding of that (single) idea in no particular period of time, and that once you "get it" you fully understand America.
I think this is the perspective of a lot of Europeans, who in my view, very rarely understand America.
I think Coulter overstated the case for Essentialism here, but she has a part of the truth I think.

Posted by: NYC Parent adding lead shielding to his bunker at June 24, 2015 03:28 PM (HEo6y)

542 I think churches where anybody can show up and try to make sense have crosses. I suggest economic sanctions, and maybe just burn down and kill anyone trying to do better.

We did not get to wear feathers again until Nixon.

Deep South, underground railroads. That shit is still haunted.
Enter at your own risk. You could end up in Iowa. Maybe Heaven.

Or the Frontier. America.

We used to think this was some kind of island. A refuge, as it were. Just somewhere to hang out to make some damned sense.

Posted by: first and last at June 24, 2015 03:29 PM (1eYr7)

543 *waves*
Posted by: Boston at June 24, 2015 02:51 PM (h4vJk)

Boston is just a town, not a city.

Posted by: Iblis at June 24, 2015 03:30 PM (9221z)

544 "Hey! What were we? Sheesh....."

The Roman Legions.....best ever.

Posted by: Caesar at June 24, 2015 03:30 PM (D0NZx)

545 The Roman Legions.....best ever.
Posted by: Caesar at June 24, 2015 03:30 PM (D0NZx)

Naw, Alex covered more ground in less time than Rome. Rome took forever to take down Carthage.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:32 PM (0eidE)

546 The Roman Legions.....best ever.
Posted by: Caesar at June 24, 2015 03:30 PM (D0NZx)

Naw, Alex covered more ground in less time than Rome. Rome took forever to take down Carthage.

Posted by: Draki at June 24, 2015 03:32 PM (0eidE)

547 @513
To compare immigrants in the US who are majority christian to the Koranimals invading Europe is dishonest and ignorant. As for civil wars you really think you intended victims will not fight back?

He about treat newcomers with respect and teach them about the greatness of America. Attacking and insulting them just creates a defensive attitude.

Think about what I wrote.

Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 03:33 PM (DasX0)

548 Like any True Leftist/DemoKKKrat, I support flying the Palestinian Flag on City or State government buildings that support their War on "evil" Israel, 'cause Genocide! Apartheid! and JOOOOOOOZ! Hitler wuz Right!

In keeping with this sentiment, I also support flying the Mexican Flag in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas!

Also, the Black National Flag over the entire South!

Not to mention, the Rainbow Flag over Greenwich Village!

Death to Israel! Death to White people!! Down with America!!

Posted by: Leftism is ALIVE!! at June 24, 2015 03:34 PM (sCHw2)

549 @463 Jackson Square in New Orleans is named in honor of tje General who led the troops in the Battle of New Orleans in the War of 1812 -- it has nothing to do witj the civil war, which didn't happen until 20 or so years after Jackson died.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at June 24, 2015 03:37 PM (19RKp)

550 I stand, shoulder-to-shoulder, with Mary Clueggenstein, in wholehearted support of whitey-white Leftist abortion! It's time to self-exterminate all of us deadbeat 1-%er whitey-whites, one leftist at a time!

America will be such a better place when it's run by our darker-complexioned voter-slaves, as my hero Margaret Sanger once said......

Posted by: Leftism is ALIVE!! at June 24, 2015 03:40 PM (sCHw2)

551 Ann's an entertainer.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 24, 2015 03:44 PM (AIa9g)

552 547@513
To compare immigrants in the US who are majority christian to the Koranimals invading Europe is dishonest and ignorant. As for civil wars you really think you intended victims will not fight back?

He about treat newcomers with respect and teach them about the greatness of America. Attacking and insulting them just creates a defensive attitude.

Think about what I wrote.Posted by: Nativism is evil at June 24, 2015 03:33 PM (DasX0)
Okay Hector, that actually seems reasonable; I will take a crack at it. Has it dawned on you that the Commiecrat strategy is to overwhelm the USA with an oversized Leftist Latino Lumpenproletariat, even if existing Mexican Americans who deserve the scarce opportunities, public assitance, public health, and public schooling resources get shafted in the process? A demographic Piven-Cloward strategy, in effect?Meanwhile, immigration has altered between accommodating and restrictive eras. After 40 odd years since 1965, it is frankly time again for a restrictive era, just as it was from 1924 to 1965. And yes, we had ethnic tensions during the accommodating era from about 1890 to 1924 as well, from German spies and Italian Mafiasto a foreign anarchist assassinating President McKinley.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 03:45 PM (GsebS)

553 How many advances did Alex or the Legion do in the middle of winter ?

Signed.

Patton's 4th Armored Division .

Pound for pound put my money on the Finn or the Gurhka .

Posted by: Drpullit at June 24, 2015 03:47 PM (jDI5T)

554
Crap, line spacing.

Okay Hector, that actually seems reasonable; I will take a crack at it.

Has it dawned on you that the Commiecrat strategy is to overwhelm the USA with an oversized Leftist Latino Lumpenproletariat, even if existing Mexican Americans who deserve the scarce opportunities, public assitance, public health, and public schooling resources get shafted in the process? A demographic Piven-Cloward strategy, in effect?

Meanwhile, immigration has altered between accommodating and restrictive eras. After 40 odd years since 1965, it is frankly time again for a restrictive era, just as it was from 1924 to 1965. And yes, we had ethnic tensions during the accommodating era from about 1890 to 1924 as well, from German spies and Italian Mafias, to a foreign anarchist assassinating President McKinley.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 03:48 PM (GsebS)

555 You are wrong Ace. No nation, including America, is its ideals. American ideals have changed radically. As has its people with immigration waves. A nation is its people. If a nation prostitutes its citizenship to masses of foreigners it will cease to be a nation, and what is left of its ideals will die with them. You're a shiftless cosmopolitan with a liberal disposition (I don't mean this as an insult, I am too) so you don't understand this. Unlike most of our peers you have a better intellectual understanding of the value of some things you have no instinct for but at the end of the day you are still a product of progressive, universalist and, though i'm getting tired of that term being thrown around, socialist thinking.

And you may deplore the tribalism of new immigrants but the reality is that Americans can either get tribal themselves or be destroyed.

Posted by: Johnny at June 24, 2015 03:52 PM (WvGsS)

556 The Confederate Army didn't even make it out of the heats.

Posted by: Michael at June 24, 2015 03:57 PM (KClXw)

557 On Johnny's note above, is it time to shut the floodgates again, just as it was from 1924 to 1965?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 03:57 PM (GsebS)

558 Why is Coulter upset about the removal of a Confederate flag put there by Democrat Fritz Hollings?

Posted by: Wendy at June 24, 2015 03:59 PM (KydDZ)

559 Ann Coulter Shouts down Sean Hannity. She's no longer bearable.

humm, Shouting down Hannity would be a plus for me. I can't stand the "your a great American" yutz.

Posted by: Paladin at June 24, 2015 04:07 PM (bxc5w)

560 So if we imported 100 million Chinese, the character of the country wouldn't change? I don't buy it. Race does matter. It matters in Israel, it matters in the dating market, in the hiring market, and it matters in politics. "America is an idea" is nice and sounds good but that's like saying Detroit is just a place on the map that needs some Republican policies. Detroit is a place run by blacks, as is Baltimore, Birmingham and Zimbabwe. Race matters. Coulter isn't saying Haley is an immigrant, she's saying that Haley is not white, and that it matters.

Posted by: bjk at June 24, 2015 04:18 PM (x2rNW)

561 People whose ancestors--whose families--fought in the Civil War see it differently than people whose families showed up here in the 20th or 21st centuries. It's not that complex a point.

This stupid bullshit about the Confederacy is the final stomp by Northern victors and their scions. There was push back around the centennial of the war as people who were never involved in the war went and did some actual History and demonstrated that, no, things were not so clear cut and easy as a Northern Crusade of Racial Liberation that the yankees forced down the throats of children in school for a hundred years. See Shelby Foote, for instance, who was villified for 'glorifying the Confederacy' by writing actual historical books about the war and the Union depredations within. He actually had the balls to write about deliberate, punitive Northern war crimes including ethnic expulsions (President Grant), sanctioned pillage and rape (I forget the officer's name, but he was sacked and then reinstated because the authorities wanted more of that; also, Sherman), systematic theft of valuables (in New Orleans), black marketeering and corruption (endemic), and massacres (Missouri). Not to mention the Northern legacy of slavery, which they conveniently edit away.

For a hundred and fifty years, only Southerners knew this side of things. Those Northerners who knew pretended they didn't, and foreigners certainly don't.

But this is all circus nonsense anyway, as the global order nears its final collapse. Our media and political class are stupid, selfish, short sighted fools who are going to drive everything into the ground and applaud themselves for doing it. Clearly, the most important issue in America is what color one of the flags is in South Carolina.

Posted by: Apostate at June 24, 2015 04:19 PM (IQSWi)

562 I like Ann Coulter--she's frequently funny.

But she also has a four step startup routine that sometimes goes awry.

1. She sharpens her fangs and claws.
2. She checks the sand paper on her tongue.
3. She pops the clutch on her mouth and starts talking.
4. She engages her brain.

All too often Ann gets to step three--and forgets step four.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at June 24, 2015 04:19 PM (Sda6L)

563 "Nikki Haley Is an Immigrant Who Doesn't Understand American History"

Is she a product of the public school system? In that case, as ace obliquely noted, it would more convincingly explain a lack of understanding of American history.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at June 24, 2015 04:22 PM (6qR/9)

564
So if we imported 100 million Chinese, the character of the country wouldn't change? I don't buy it.

I am reminded of a story (perhaps apochryphal?) from the early 1970's, during the time of thawing Sino-American relations. Henry "Scoop" Jackson, to his credit one of the last of the anti-communist Democrat Party patriots, had given a speech demanding that there be no dealings with communist countries until they allow freedom to emigrate. To which Chairman Mao is said to have laughed and replied, "All right then, how many hundreds of millions of Chinese would the Senatorlike?" Highminded rhetoric has its limits.

One could argue, after all, that every Mexican illegal alien is fleeing a corrupt and oppressive bandit government.

Whatever the claims of those who wish to get the hell out of the hellholes they are in, our immigration policy has to work to the benefit of the existing citizens of the United States of America, or else before long this nation won't be a place people want to flee to anymore.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 04:25 PM (GsebS)

565 I reckon there are immigrants who come here because it is "The Land O' Plenty" more than because of an American ideal, just as there are native-born Americans who take the attitude, "I got mine, to hell with furriners."
Greed seeks many rationalizations.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 24, 2015 04:29 PM (mvenn)

566 Why is Coulter upset about the removal of a Confederate flag put there by Democrat Fritz Hollings?

Fritz put it on the Capitol. That got taken down 15 years ago. This kerfuffle is about flying the Confederate Battle Flag over a Confederate War Memorial on the State House grounds.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 04:30 PM (evdj2)

567
565I reckon there are immigrants who come here because it is "The Land O' Plenty" more than because of an American ideal, just as there are native-born Americans who take the attitude, "I got mine, to hell with furriners."
Greed seeks many rationalizations.

On the flip side of that, there are native-born Americans who just want more and cheaper gardeners and maids, the actual societal costs be damned. They work for the Wall Street Journal, among other allegedly "conservative" places.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 04:30 PM (GsebS)

568 thanks Dancing Queen ... but it would not be hard to tie Jackson to slavery. Slave trade in New Orleans was huge. Jackson owned over 100 slaves, and fought against "native Americans". But since he defeated the damned fair skinned Brits they might let his statue remain.

Posted by: Illiniwek at June 24, 2015 04:35 PM (8bK1p)

569 Come on This can't be the first time Ace has noticed Ann Coulter say something completely and jaw-droppingly inexcusable. She is a sharp wit, and I like her politics, but she's also a rather horrible human being. And sometimes it shows.

Posted by: Five Knuckler at June 24, 2015 04:38 PM (S2VsH)

570 A fine mind long ago wasted on the need to out-snark.. everybody..the kind of mouth that would keep from ever considering a second date...

Posted by: macleod at June 24, 2015 04:41 PM (Qf5bp)

571 Coulter is correct. Nikki Haley is an INDIAN. As such, she has no understanding, emotional connection, or empathy for Northern European regionalism/sectionalism/secession. The Confederate Flag has flown for years, and was not viewed as a racist flag when Johnny Cash showed up with it on the Muppets or it ran every week on TV on the Dukes of Hazzard General Lee. Yes the flag offends Black people, SO WHAT?

Are Black people SACRED OBJECTS WHO CANNOT EVER BE OFFENDED BECAUSE OF WHITE ORIGINAL SIN?

The Koran offends me. Particularly when Jihadis use it in making Dylan Storm Roof pre-murder style videos. The American Flag offends Mexicans, and is ALREADY BANNED IN CALIFORNIA SCHOOLS. UCI is filled with foreign students, they are banning the US Flag there (there will be another vote, expected to override the President's decision to un-ban the US Flag).

This is why I don't like wimpy, PC-driven Conservatives. They bend over backwards for Blacks who don't offer the same consideration when BLACK PEOPLE CONDUCT mass murders of Whites: Omar Thornton, Cookie Thornton, Ismayl Abdullah Brinsley, Nkosi Thandiwe, Andre Turner, and Christopher Dorner just off the top of my head.

Nikki Haley like ALL NON WHITES pretty much will gang up on Working Class Whites to score points with White elites and Non-Whites. She can't be trusted. She's not one of us. She never will be. She doesn't want to be.

There is a world of difference between an Indian Immigrant and a European one. Just as I can never understand Noh Theater, Javanese Shadow puppets, or Diwali, neither can someone like Haley EVER be a part of the Fourth of July, Pickett's Charge, Gettysburg, or Shiloh. They weren't here, their families were not part of it, they find it alien and repelling.

Nikki Haley would be like my parents having moved to Japan, myself born there, and as a White man demanding to have a say on the Yakusuni Shrine or flying of the Imperial Japanese Flag.

Good God, show some damned backbone. If wanted Democratic Underground I'd go there.

Posted by: Whiskey at June 24, 2015 04:44 PM (PO8w6)

572 Posted by: Whiskey

You are seriously fucked in the head, brah.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 04:46 PM (evdj2)

573 You are seriously fucked in the head, brah.Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 04:46 PM (evdj2)
No, actually he isn't. he has a point.Now you might argue that the Rebel flag isn't the hill for the Patriot Right to die on, and you are right. But in that case just point out how STUPID, meaningless, dishonest, and shallow the Leftists are here (especially the Clintons, who even had the Rebel flag on some earlier campaign literature, buttons and shirts), and leave it at that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 04:50 PM (GsebS)

574 With respect to everybody, the hyper-individualism inherant to Libertarianism operates on a very flawed anthropology; namely that based on Aristotelian assumptions, there is no "transcendent" or essential (or "mystical") reality or nature to things; in terms of humans, all are born tabula rasa, and anything else is simply a "social construct." As a result, there must be a constant revolution to liberate the individual from their pre-scientific mores, norms, traditions, identities, etc., and in this new state humanity will progress under scientific social conditioning. Libertarianism (which is a tribe in itself whether anybody wants to admit it or not) simply stops at the liberation part and fails to acknowledge that left to their own devices humanity will transform civilization into a Darwinian hump-to-death pile of burning s%*. The ambitious and the clever know this and are more than happy to take advantage of it.

Also, the notion that America is a "nation of immigrants" simply isn't true. That's retconning history. Americanism didn't get started until mid 19th Century Romantic Nationalism came here via people like the 48ers who were sent here after getting kicked out of Germany after a failed revolution. With the early 20th Century, the large waves of immigrants began to interperet things through their expectations of how they thought America was supposed to be. (Note: State, financial, and industrial interests began joining forces to condition the citizenry in the interests of standardization around this time). While these immigrants were in many respects grafted into the nation (some more than others), the fact remains that the US was founded as a British Colony with all the attendant legal and social structures that became a part of the national DNA. Ann is right. The roots and trunk of the country are Anglo-Celtic. And while they may mean no one harm, there are those who are intentionally seeking to marginalize them in the very country their ancestors fought to secure. They are getting PWND and they know it. And they have every right to be mad as hell.

It should also be noted that the popularity of this Homo Economicus model of the individual being a sovereign unit is a model that powerful interests not only propagate in the US, but is practically a civil religion to be exported via NGO's State bureacracies, multinational corporations, academia, etc. In fact, one of Bill Clinton's influences in college was Dr. Caroll Qugley who wrote extensively about this as well as the notion that world peace would be obtained by eventually integrating the nations of the world into continental trading blocs (see also NAFTA and the EU) to facilitate global trade. All of which would be overseen via global governance. Furthermore, it was Marx himself who saw this sort of thing as the final stage of history.

Lastly, you can only scale a shared identity up so high before it fragments along the lines of language, ethnicity, and worldview. Harmony requires concentric loyalties. Thinkers throughout antiquity to the present era - from Ibn Khaldun to Sir John Glubb - knew this. Furthermore, the founders of the country knew it and warned of it. And the conscious ignoring of these hard facts of human nature by libertarians and conservatives will continue to prevent them from putting up any meaningful resistance.

Posted by: SF at June 24, 2015 04:52 PM (/ccxi)

575 No, actually he isn't.

Actually he is. Nikki Haley was born in freaking Bamberg South Carolina. She's American.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 04:52 PM (evdj2)

576 Nikki Haley like ALL NON WHITES pretty much will gang up on Working Class Whites to score points with White elites and Non-Whites. She can't be trusted. She's not one of us. She never will be. She doesn't want to be.

---

Curmudgeon, you don't think the above gem from Whiskey [Tango Foxtrot] is evidence that he's fucked in the head and/or a ridiculous Moby?

Come on.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 24, 2015 04:54 PM (GvNnD)

577 Actually he is. Nikki Haley was born in freaking Bamberg South Carolina. She's American.Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 04:52 PM (evdj2)

Be that as it may, for Nikki Haley to take the Left's (race)bait is just wrong. We all know the racist psychopath didn't do what he did because of the old Johnny Rebel flag (in fact, he never wore or waved it, although he did wear the old RSA and Rhodesia flags). Do I think the Rebel flag is the hill for the Patriot Right to die on? No, it is a kerfluffle. But at least Nikki Haley can point out the kerfluffle for the dishonest, shallown sleazy Left lie that it is.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 04:56 PM (GsebS)

578
Curmudgeon, you don't think the above gem from Whiskey [Tango Foxtrot] is evidence that he's fucked in the head and/or a ridiculous Moby?

Come on.Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 24, 2015 04:54 PM (GvNnD)

No I don't--I have read through his blog. I think it is strident frustration, and not helpful. But I know from where the strident frustration comes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 04:58 PM (GsebS)

579 Your points have validity, Curmundgeon. StormFront Boy there not so much. I was expecting him to call her a Mud Person out to pollute our essence by the end of the screed.

You do yourself no credit defending him.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 05:00 PM (evdj2)

580 Looks like some followers of Margaret Sanger and Woodrow Wilson have shown up to Voxplain the SCIENCE! (tm) of eugenics to us.

Wrong blog, guys. Eugenics is a democrat thing, try the democrat underground. Probably get more traction there.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 24, 2015 05:00 PM (AkOaV)

581 So you agree that all non-whites will attack working class whites at every opportunity and are therefore not to be trusted?

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 24, 2015 05:01 PM (GvNnD)

582
"I hope she'll reconsider this poorly-thought-out line of argument."

So, how's that hope working out for you?

"Ann Coulter - 2d gen immigrant, as she constantly brags. Maj. Nidal Hasan, Anwar al-Awlaki, Octomom -we R getting the best ppl! "

Hey, lets group her with Octomom and a couple terrorists. That'll surely show I've rethought calling her an immigrant when she was born in the US, right? No?

Well, just keep hoping.
Maybe Ann will decide to change course entirely and NOT be who she clearly has been for several years now.

Good luck managing that hopeful and optimistic expectation of reality.

I'm going to hope that I win the lottery by having the winning ticket blow in the wind and get stuck on my car.
I think I have better chances than you do.

Posted by: gekkobear at June 24, 2015 05:01 PM (Qb88D)

583 It is going to be very helpful to us if all of us conservatives could stop being stupid - I don't think that anyone on the right is unfamiliar with the rebel flag - we might not quite be Civil War re-enactor familiar, but we're pretty knowledgable...unlike, say, the Progressives frothing at the mouth. It is just asinine to think that none but a native-born can understand America. Heck, we can all see, for instance, that someone like Mark Steyn is more American than Nancy Pelosi. Here's another take on America - done by an Englishman nigh to a century ago:

It may have seemed something less than a compliment to compare the
American Constitution to the Spanish Inquisition. But oddly enough, it
does involve a truth; and still more oddly perhaps, it does involve a
compliment. The American Constitution does resemble the Spanish
Inquisition in this: that it is founded on a creed. America is the only
nation in the world that is founded on a creed. That creed is set forth
with dogmatic and even theological lucidity in the Declaration of
Independence; perhaps the only piece of practical politics that is also
theoretical politics and also great literature. It enunciates that all
men are equal in their claim to justice, that governments exist to give
them that justice, and that their authority is for that reason just. It
certainly does condemn anarchism, and it does also by inference condemn
atheism, since it clearly names the Creator as the ultimate authority
from whom these equal rights are derived. Nobody expects a modern
political system to proceed logically in the application of such dogmas,
and in the matter of God and Government it is naturally God whose claim
is taken more lightly. The point is that there is a creed, if not about
divine, at least about human things.

I think that a very true statement about America...more true, for instance, than anything I've ever heard uttered by our current President.

Posted by: Mark Noonan at June 24, 2015 05:02 PM (tKzEw)

584 neither can someone like Haley EVER be a part of the Fourth of July, Pickett's Charge, Gettysburg, or Shiloh. They weren't here, their families were not part of it, they find it alien and repelling.

Bamberg fucking South Carolina. I think the's arguing for some kind of blood and soil genetic transference.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 05:02 PM (evdj2)

585
"So you agree that all non-whites will attack working class whites at every opportunity and are therefore not to be trusted?"

no, only when it matters. and why take the risk? why deliver ourselves over to foreigners and hope for benevolence?

Posted by: bjk at June 24, 2015 05:03 PM (x2rNW)

586 why deliver ourselves over to foreigners and hope for benevolence?

What the fucking fuck?!? Bamberg Fucking South Fucking Carolina!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 05:05 PM (evdj2)

587 585
"So you agree that all non-whites will attack working class whites at every opportunity and are therefore not to be trusted?"

no, only when it matters. and why take the risk? why deliver ourselves over to foreigners and hope for benevolence?

---

And Nikki Haley of Bamberg South Carolina is a foreigner?

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 24, 2015 05:05 PM (GvNnD)

588 So you agree that all non-whites will attack working class whites at every opportunity and are therefore not to be trusted?Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 24, 2015 05:01 PM (GvNnD)

Never mind the non-whites--I have seen White *elites* attack the working class whites to "score" (in their warped minds, since they never win the latino vote)cheap political points. The Wall Street Journal cheerleading for immigration overload being a case in point.

Again, I agree that the Rebel flag is not the hill to die on, but I certainly think we ought to stridently point out how *phony*the issueis.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 05:05 PM (GsebS)

589 you know who would never be that stupid? Israelis .

Posted by: bjk at June 24, 2015 05:05 PM (x2rNW)

590 ""So you agree that all non-whites will attack working class whites at every opportunity and are therefore not to be trusted?""

Unqualified No. I distrust only those non-whites who form non-white groups to distrust the white man.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 05:06 PM (8rRE+)

591 "571 Coulter is correct. Nikki Haley is an INDIAN. As such, she has no understanding, emotional connection, or empathy for Northern European regionalism/sectionalism/secession. Posted by: Whiskey at June 24, 2015 04:44 PM (PO8w6)"

So your argument is only WHITE people can be American?
Ok, make that argument proudly; only White people can be American. Nikki isn't White enough for you, and only Whites should be permitted to be Americas like YOU!

What? That's your argument boiled down to one paragraph. Skin color determines everything, and everyone can and should be judged SOLELY on skin color.
I'm sorry you're that stupid, and sorrier you decided you needed to share that here.

The next time you have a thought in your head; maybe keep it there?
I mean you'll still be a stupid shithead racist; but at least it won't be obvious to everyone else.

Posted by: gekkobear at June 24, 2015 05:07 PM (Qb88D)

592 "Coulter is correct. Nikki Haley is an INDIAN. As such, she has no understanding, emotional connection, or empathy for Northern European regionalism/sectionalism/secession."

This is why I am glad to call that flag and its heritage a disgrace to America.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2015 05:08 PM (8rRE+)

593 Never mind the non-whites--I have seen White *elites* attack the working class whites to "score" (in their warped minds, since they never win the latino vote)cheap political points. The Wall Street Journal cheerleading for immigration overload being a case in point.

---

You're dancing around what he said. He said ALL NONWHITES (caps his).

Of course some elites attack working class whites (and working class people of all races). That's not a particularly controversial statement. What that rancid jar of storm front moonshine did was say that it's something all non whites do.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 24, 2015 05:10 PM (GvNnD)

594 The next time you have a thought in your head; maybe keep it there?
I mean you'll still be a stupid shithead racist; but at least it won't be obvious to everyone else.

*fistbump*

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 24, 2015 05:11 PM (evdj2)

595 Moby gotta Moby.

Whiskey is what KosKids resort too since they are upset Nikki Haley pulled a PR coup with her flag position. So they gin up this racist Moby to be the "true con"

Posted by: wooga at June 24, 2015 05:14 PM (QhgyC)

596 77 I grew up in Appalachia. The confederate flag was flown or pasted on trucks , etc. as a symbol of resistance to the government . I never knew anyone who said they were sporting the confederate flag because they wanted everyone to know they hated blacks.
I even knew black folks who displayed confederate flags.

Then it was co opted by liberals who insisted that it was the symbol of racist whites....they missed the white sheets Byrd sported....

Forget it ,Jen. It's Yankeetown.

Posted by: some random meathead at June 24, 2015 05:14 PM (qzMbA)

597 it's not a definitional argument. it's not "who is white" or "who is American." Once whites lose political dominance, US politics will be a racial free for all in which whites lose and political outcomes inevitably decline. It's already here. "Political polarization" is just another name for racialized politics. You can't change the racial composition of the electorate without racializing politics. "We are the world" is for soda commercials not for political programs. Whites are too easily persuaded by arguments from principles. It's not about principles or who is white or who is American. It's about the decline of political consensus and quality of life. You can see it in California or in all the cities destroyed by black leadership or in all the countries around the world paralyzed by racial politics. Politics is not a graduate seminar in political philosophy, it is a contest between racial and ethnic and interest groups for power.

Posted by: bjk at June 24, 2015 05:18 PM (x2rNW)

598 You're dancing around what he said. He said ALL NONWHITES (caps his).

Of course some elites attack working class whites (and working class people of all races). That's not a particularly controversial statement. What that rancid jar of storm front moonshine did was say that it's something all non whites do.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 24, 2015 05:10 PM (GvNnD)

Yep. None of us should cosign that racist shit.

I'm out, I just wanted to put the mark of NON-approval on this before I did.

Posted by: Lea - Not Everybody Likes Us at June 24, 2015 05:18 PM (lIU4e)

599 590 ""So you agree that all non-whites will attack working class whites at every opportunity and are therefore not to be trusted?""

Unqualified No. I distrust only those non-whites who form non-white groups to distrust the white man.

---

That was just for Curmudgeon since he was defending StormFront's Littlest Angel up there.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 24, 2015 05:19 PM (GvNnD)

600 ---Whites are too easily persuaded by arguments from principles. It's not about principles or who is white or who is American. It's about the decline of political consensus and quality of life. You can see it in California or in all the cities destroyed by black leadership or in all the countries around the world paralyzed by racial politics. Politics is not a graduate seminar in political philosophy, it is a contest between racial and ethnic and interest groups for power. ---

So ideology is driven solely by race?
Not only a goose stepping racist but a STUPID goose stepping Racist.
Get lost, idiot

Posted by: some random meathead at June 24, 2015 05:26 PM (qzMbA)

601 That's what they always say, right before they sell their house and leave the neighborhood.

Posted by: bjk at June 24, 2015 05:27 PM (x2rNW)

602
That was just for Curmudgeon since he was defending StormFront's Littlest Angel up there. Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 24, 2015 05:19 PM (GvNnD)

I certainly won't defend "any" and "all" nonsense, and perhaps I was wrong to give Whiskeythe benefit of the doubt and assume stupid wording before malice.

I think SF in #574 made the point much more intelligently:

"While these immigrants were in many respects grafted into the nation (some more than others), the fact remains that the US was founded as a British Colony with all the attendant legal and social structures that became a part of the national DNA. Ann is right. The roots and trunk of the country are Anglo-Celtic. And while they may mean no one harm, there are those who are intentionally seeking to marginalize them in the very country their ancestors fought to secure. They are getting PWND and they know it. And they have every right to be mad as hell."

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 05:33 PM (GsebS)

603
Whites are too easily persuaded by arguments from principles. It's not about principles or who is white or who is American. It's about the decline of political consensus and quality of life. You can see it in California or in all the cities destroyed by black leadership or in all the countries around the world paralyzed by racial politics. Politics is not a graduate seminar in political philosophy, it is a contest between racial and ethnic and interest groups for power.

Is that decline in political consensus *not* a decline in principled argument? I would say it is.

While I certainly could agree that perhaps immigration be halted until principled argument makes a comeback, if we follow where you seem to be wanting us to go, than we truly are *doomed* to an ugly future.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 05:38 PM (GsebS)

604 I grew up outside the US and came back to the US as a teenager. Compared to the hell-holes I grew up in, the US seemed like an incredible oasis of calm and order. Unfortunately the rest of the world is coming here and bringing the place they came from. No magic fairy dust is sprinkled on immigrants when they cross the border. Americans don't know what the rest of the world is like because they never leave the country. They don't know how bad it can get. They are like house cats who have let their natural survival instincts atrophy.

Posted by: bjk at June 24, 2015 05:44 PM (x2rNW)

605 Im thinking the greatest army business had to do with the quality of soldier and leadership, not size and strength. Also, I bet Coulter meant ONE of the greatest, and would readily concede the distinction.

I mean, a million man army isn't great because it can easily conquer and destroy a 100k army, but a 100k army might be considered great if it won many battles against the million man army, even if it ultimately was defeated.

With that in mind, I nominate the 300 Spartans as the greatest army ever.

Posted by: Lee at June 24, 2015 05:45 PM (LZI7M)

606 With that in mind, I nominate the 300 Spartans as the greatest army ever.

You realize there were 7-10K other Greeks there, yes? And even in the rear guard on the last day of battle there were more Thespians and even Thebans than Spartans there.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Pale Penis Person at June 24, 2015 06:04 PM (rwI+c)

607 And right on cue, a Hamas sympathizer is in the lead to lead UK Labour. Clearly what UK's Muslims need more civics classes. That should work.

Posted by: bjk at June 24, 2015 06:14 PM (x2rNW)

608 Coulter has gone from being really sharp to another provincial New York City Know-Nothing.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at June 24, 2015 06:17 PM (Kucy5)

609 I support Ann Coulter. I live in South Carolina and know what a sell-out politician she is. Republicans who support her do not have much honor including Mark Sanford. William Huneycutt

Posted by: william huneycutt at June 24, 2015 06:18 PM (4RJJK)

610 Don't change what I said.

And no, I did NOT know about the Thespians, a guy would think you'd hear more about them...*rimshot*

Posted by: lee at June 24, 2015 06:18 PM (SMyjc)

611 607And right on cue, a Hamas sympathizer is in the lead to lead UK Labour. Clearly what UK's Muslims need more civics classes. That should work.
Posted by: bjk at June 24, 2015 06:14 PM (x2rNW)

Well, it *is* Labour. I would expect no less of them. Now if the Tories would just co-opt the UK Independence Party and let all the mushy milquetoasts go vote Liberal/Social Democrat....

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2015 06:19 PM (GsebS)

612 I support Ann Coulter. I live in South Carolina and know what a sell-out politician Nikki Haley is. Republicans who support her do not have much honor including Mark Sanford. William Huneycutt

Posted by: william huneycutt at June 24, 2015 06:20 PM (4RJJK)

613 And no, I did NOT know about the Thespians, a guy would think you'd hear more about them...*rimshot*

They played their role. *wonkwonk*

Posted by: Grump928(C) Pale Penis Person at June 24, 2015 06:27 PM (rwI+c)

614 Coulter's main schtick has devolved to staying controversial by whatever means so as to maximize book sales.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at June 24, 2015 06:36 PM (wLLbf)

615 As for Ann, she's establishment Republican. We all were until the Tea Party, and then more people began catching on to the scam. Ace himself is only a very recent convert I dare say.

The truth of the matter now is we are already a de facto third party, the Republican Party is being absorbed by the post-liberal left, leaving constitutional conservatives unrepresented and fighting both parties.

We Constitutional conservatives that saw all this coming in 2008 just shake our heads at this flag business. Ace wants to talk about the folly of slippery slope arguments?! Dude. The slippery slope was two years a ago. We're in free fall now. Banning a flag is just one more gruesome mockery of liberty; briefly here, then left floating as we hurl to the next in a cloud of outrage and censure hip.

I wouldn't put too much faith in the next election cycle either. The most even the best could do, zombie Reagan included, is pop a little parasol like the roadrunner coyote falling off a cliff.

It won't help.

Posted by: lee at June 24, 2015 07:23 PM (SMyjc)

616 The problem with Haley isn't that she's a first generation American. The problem with Haley is that she's a quintessential GOP hack--that is, an abject coward looking for a reason to cave to whatever moral panic the Left decides we should indulge in any given month, week, or day. Numerous other GOP politicians have jumped on the bandwagon too--including Rand Paul, who has now lost 100% of my respect--and most of them are third or fourth generation Americans.

What I *think* Coulter meant to say, what I *think* she meant by "immigrant"--and I could certainly be wrong--is, well, "brown." I think Coulter just meant to say that Nikki Haley is brown, and so doesn't get it. Now, I don't think Ann is an active racist by any means. Not at all. Probably just some amount of subconscious bias. But, that's what I *think* she was actually saying, even if she wasn't aware of it herself.

So, long story short: Ann is wrong, and shame on Nikki Haley for being a contemptible coward with no principles.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at June 24, 2015 08:04 PM (yDDvL)

617 Yeah, I can really taste that rainbow right now Trayvon. Anyone who believes in Evolution but says that someone whose parents used to bathe in a river is just like me can jump into a volcano to appease the God Vulcan.
Call me a racist. I love the Indy 500 so suck it! Anybody who thinks that Americans come in all colors from around the world may as well check into the nuthouse tonight. Find a non-White country anywhere on Earth that has any of the freedoms you stupid fuckers take for granted. Take a thousand years if you want because there aren't any you stupid bitch!
Try to go to India and run to be a Governor if you're White and see just how non-racist these dot people really are, and then you can kiss my ass!

Posted by: Dr. Doom at June 24, 2015 08:26 PM (eKI2P)

618 Remember when Ace went all "Notes from the Underground" and started calling for secession a few months ago? Now he's slapping on the gay "America is an idea -- and ideal" diabetic sap.

This fat ginger urbanite must be bipolar.

Posted by: Boss Hog at June 24, 2015 08:39 PM (rHaCi)

619 Coulter's main schtick has devolved to staying controversial by whatever means so as to maximize book sales.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at June 24, 2015 06:36 PM (wLLbf)

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And that affects me personally. If she keeps annoying the "idea nation' pussies I will be driven to purchase her entire back catalog.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 24, 2015 08:51 PM (NUqwG)

620 One problem with your post Ace, Coulter is right.

Posted by: FrancisChalk at June 24, 2015 09:22 PM (SLgi1)

621 Posted by: Dr. Doom

Where ever you may have been shit out of your mother's ass, you are not an American, Dickweed. Take your racist shit elsewhere.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 24, 2015 09:45 PM (rwI+c)

622 If the United States isn't about a location, or a race, or a people, and instead it's just about an idea...then why don't you support massive third world immigration and open borders?

Posted by: Justfactualthings at June 24, 2015 10:37 PM (oCxXI)

623 Also, Ann's most recent book points out the fact that recent immigrants and their children, as a group, tend to have less reverence for the Constitution and personal liberties than do people whose families have been here for a few generations.

So her point about Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley being a first generation American with immigrant parents remains relevant, even if she misspoke.

Posted by: Justfactualthings at June 24, 2015 10:41 PM (oCxXI)

624 I agree with Ann on this. The Governor has no respect for the blood and Culture of the South. This is all part of the cultural genocide being waged against the South.

Posted by: JoninTexas at June 24, 2015 11:54 PM (L2nba)

625 Coulter is a provocateur, and sometimes goes waaaay over the edge. Which is why I've never really cared for her.

Posted by: mojo at June 24, 2015 11:56 PM (OmBeX)

626 Blondie is wrong but so is Haley. Does anyone believe that taking down the Confederate flag will make Al Sharpton normal? Will it end the Black Panthers and the other hate merchants?

If you don't understand the Confederate flag it must be because there is nothing you hold near and dear to your heart besides your weed, birth control pills, and little red book.

Posted by: Veritas at June 25, 2015 01:32 AM (tPtDI)

627 What I *think* Coulter meant to say, what I *think* she meant by "immigrant"--and I could certainly be wrong--is, well, "brown." I think Coulter just meant to say that Nikki Haley is brown, and so doesn't get it. Now, I don't think Ann is an active racist by any means. Not at all. Probably just some amount of subconscious bias.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at June 24, 2015 08:04 PM (yDDvL)

Sounds like a pretty piss-poor excuse for Coulter's racist and/or nativist spew (however "subconscious"). Or maybe I misread you, and you aren't really trying to defend Ann's statement - apologies if so.

But unlike Ace, I'm still a Coulter fan, almost never skipping her column. No contradiction here, because I like Ann as a comedian, same way I like Howard Stern.

Neither Howard nor Ann have any place in serious political discussion, given all their factually-challenged BS that's inherent in edgy comedy. But they say very funny stuff (which sometimes has or doesn't have some good political point embedded in the over the top rhetoric).

Posted by: gensec at June 25, 2015 02:47 AM (O+6LQ)

628 America is a creedal, propositional construct and not a nation. That's why the USA will be in the dustbin of history when actual nations, like Russia and China and India, will still be around -- just like they were long before the USA.

States may come and go but nations persist because they are literally extended families. A people united by blood don't have a "Sell By" date like fleeting, artificial experiments such as the USA.

The USA has lasted this long because for most of its history it accidentally coincided with a nation (a European and especially Anglo-Celtic diaspora). As the latter disappears so does the USA.

Posted by: Owen at June 25, 2015 01:48 PM (/VLYY)

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