Sarah Palin Tea Leaves

I've become convinced that Palin isn't running, based on things she's been saying for a couple of weeks. I'm less confident of another belief -- that she's currently thinking about endorsing Governor Rick Perry -- but I think she's telegraphing that, too.

Most important was this series of quotes collected by Robert Costa at picnic to celebrate the release of The Undefeated.

Yet when I spoke with Palin, in a quiet conversation before she departed, she told me that all of the presidential chatter misses the point. She said that she enjoys being part of the national political conversation, but the idea that she needed to be in office to influence things is bunk.
“Being a private citizen, I think I am a good example for others to show that you don’t have to have a title, you don’t have to hold national or statewide office in order to effect positive change and make a difference,” she said. “The documentary encapsulates that — to be involved for the right reasons and challenge the status quo.”
But if Palin can stir whole towns to turn out for a film premiere, why not try to generate similar levels of enthusiasm for public policy as a candidate? “As a private citizen, you can effect change, too,” she replied with a smile. With that, she and her husband, Todd, jumped into a waiting sport-utility vehicle and zoomed away.

Perhaps this is just deflection, keeping her plans secret from a reporter. But to me, her stating multiple times that she can have a huge impact on politics as a "private citizen" is telegraphing that that is her current plan.

Palin got a lot of notice for her Obama-as-Sugar-Daddy FaceBook post. It's a good attack. I thought it was interesting that she seems to slight Bachmann. Since Bachmann was rapidly rising when she wrote this a few days ago (Bachmann is all-but-confirmed as the front runner), it's notable that she doesn't tailor her description of a good replacement president in such a way as to include Bachmann as a contender.

s we approach 2012, there are important lessons we can learn from all of this. First, we should never entrust the White House to a far-left ideologue who has no appreciation or even understanding of the free market and limited government principles that made this country economically strong. Second, the office of the presidency is too important for on-the-job training. It requires a strong chief executive who has been entrusted with real authority in the past and has achieved a proven track record of positive measurable accomplishments. Leaders are expected to give good speeches, but leadership is so much more than oratory. Real leadership requires deeds even more than words. It means taking on the problems no one else wants to tackle. It means providing vision and guidance, inspiring people to action, bringing everyone to the table, and with a servant's heart dedicating oneself to striking agreements that keep faith with our Constitution and with the ordinary citizens who entrusted you with power. It means bucking the status quo, fighting the corrupt powers that be, serving the common good, and leaving the country better than you found it. Most of us don’t see a lot of that real leadership in D.C., and it’s profoundly disappointing.

True enough, she could be speaking of her own credentials there, but if you (as I do) take her "private citizen" quotes to indicate her plans are to continue on as a private citizen, then the question becomes, "Which executive with experience and accomplishments is she thinking of?"

I suppose it could be Pawlenty. But I think she is thinking about Perry. After all, she says "thank goodness the field is not yet set."

Asked what was to be made of the fact that so many Republicans were looking beyond the field of declared candidates to people like herself, and Govs. Rick Perry and Chris Christie, Palin said, “It suggests that the field is not set. Thank goodness the field is not yet set. I think that there does need to be more vigorous debate. There needs to be a larger field. And there’s still time. There’s still months ahead, where more folks can jump in and start articulating their positions.”

Of course she also states that it's her belief that she can beat Obama herself. She also goes on to say multiple people can beat him, and that there are good, qualified candidates in the race.

Going back to an old interview on Fox, she said one of the scenarios in which she'd run is if there wasn't a good strong conservative candidate in the race. It seems that that scenario is not in operation (per this new interview). Of course, I don't think she said that would be the only scenario in which she'd run.

Posted by: Ace at 01:38 PM

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1
hhhmmmmmph

Posted by: Soothsayer Conspiracy, Inc at July 11, 2011 01:39 PM (G/zuv)

2 Sounds good to me,Perry is the guy that can do the job I think.

Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2011 01:40 PM (ngjOQ)

3 Run, Rick, Run!

The longer she plays coy, the more I want her to stay a private citizen (albeit, one with a really big megaphone). I'm probably biased as a Texan, but I really like Rick Perry and what he would bring to the table.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 11, 2011 01:40 PM (8y9MW)

4
People say the election is still far away.

Not really. The time is now.

Posted by: Soothsayer Conspiracy, Inc at July 11, 2011 01:40 PM (G/zuv)

5 She doesn't need the job or the White House. She is already living rent free in the Dems' heads.

Posted by: MrCaniac at July 11, 2011 01:41 PM (eKuOw)

6 Perry supposedly to announce his intentions by the end of this month.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 01:42 PM (zwsyx)

7 I agree,she hurts the Dems more as a free agent.She get's under their skin and deflects fire that might better be aimed at people like Gov Perry.

Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2011 01:44 PM (ngjOQ)

8 Perry!

Posted by: Y-not still slumming it on the ipad at July 11, 2011 01:44 PM (yFfnt)

9 Of course she's running. Duh!

Posted by: Rae4palin at July 11, 2011 01:46 PM (G4RRM)

10 AllenG, you're probably biased as an Aggie. As a Texan, I'd rather have Christie by a long shot.

Posted by: PR at July 11, 2011 01:46 PM (OwZCL)

11
highlights from the Speaker's presser?

Posted by: Soothsayer Conspiracy, Inc at July 11, 2011 01:48 PM (G/zuv)

12 I have been saying she isn't going to run for months now. Nothing has happened so far to change my mind. She is going to play power broker.

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2011 01:48 PM (M9Ie6)

13 Executive experience is overrated. What really matters is to have experienced the desire for executive powers.

Posted by: Hillary O'Bama Holder at July 11, 2011 01:49 PM (f8XyF)

14 Posted by: Rae4palin

Out of curiosity, if she doesn't who's your pick?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 11, 2011 01:49 PM (pLTLS)

15 As someone who just moved back to Texas after 30 years in a foreign country (New Mexico), I don't know enough to comment on Perry. My dad and my brother are both less than impressed with him, though. But, hell, my cat would be better than Princess Barry of the Links.

Posted by: huerfano at July 11, 2011 01:49 PM (vwk4n)

16 Newsweak put a great pic of Sarah on the cover with good boobage.

The MBM sniffs that this is not a candidate who looks "presidential"

I guess we can rule out a Christina Hendricks candidacy

Posted by: kbdabear at July 11, 2011 01:49 PM (so1xa)

17 11
highlights from the Speaker's presser?

It was brief. Sounds like the Rs and Ds couldn't be further apart at the moment.

Posted by: '80sBaby at July 11, 2011 01:49 PM (o2lIv)

18
Sounds like the Rs and Ds couldn't be further apart at the moment.

Gridlock is good.

/gordon gecko

Posted by: Soothsayer Conspiracy, Inc at July 11, 2011 01:50 PM (G/zuv)

19 >>She said that she enjoys being part of the national political conversation, but the idea that she needed to be in office to influence things is bunk.

I don't think this is right. She has been prominent for the last couple years because of the possibility she might run for the presidency, not because of her average citizen status. If she doesn't run, her influence will start to wain.

Those who fervently support her will have to go another way and the left will have to look for another bogeyman. Or bogeywoman.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2011 01:50 PM (Goojj)

20 I guess we can rule out a Christina Hendricks candidacy
The campaign slogans write themselves!

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2011 01:51 PM (M9Ie6)

21 The longer she plays coy, the more I want her to stay a private citizen (albeit, one with a really big megaphone)

I'm of the opposite opinion. I think if she plays kingmaker and endorses somebody, she should step aside to some extent and let the candidate become the face of the party.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 11, 2011 01:51 PM (FkKjr)

22 And yes, I want to do that eval, up close and personal.

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2011 01:51 PM (M9Ie6)

23 Posted by: PR at July 11, 2011 01:46 PM (OwZCL)

Not actually an Aggie (though I'll take them over the Tea-sippers any day). My brother and a cousin both went to AM, and my brother was in the Corps, there, so I know a great deal about the school and their almost unhealthy love of tradition.

And I don't have enough information to have an informed opinion on Christie- what I do have seems "one-trick-pony-ish." I'm not sure that's a fair assessment, but it's the best I've got with the information I've got. With Perry, I know his position on a wide range of topics, and I know that I agree with him far, far more than I disagree with him. I also know that, where I disagree with him, he at least has stands I can understand and accept, even if I disagree with them. I don't know that about Christie.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 11, 2011 01:51 PM (8y9MW)

24 She's great as a free agent because she takes so much of the Dems fire. They go psychotic and look bad, and forget to attack Romney, Perry, etc, etc.

The equivalent would be if Repubs spent 75% of their time attacking Al Gore.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at July 11, 2011 01:51 PM (QcFbt)

25 Let her run for national office in Arizona (she bought a house there didn't she?). She has done more than Hillary did to qualify for Senate in NY (nothing except bow to the machine). I'm still voting for "Anyone/and a ham sandwich 2012" anyway. Don't try stealing the bumper sticker either. I have a poor man's patent on that one.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 11, 2011 01:51 PM (71LDo)

26 Palin has already appeared publicly with Perry, here in Texas, and she has endorsed him for governor. Of course, she's shared stages with Bachmann, too. But you can't say Palin and Perry are strangers, FWIW.

Posted by: Michael Smith at July 11, 2011 01:52 PM (2Oas0)

27 OK, the next event is the Ames Straw Poll, August 13.

It's a fairly big deal only because nothing else is going on. Now, it's a fundraiser for the Iowa GOP, so non-participation is viewed negatively by party insiders.

Iowa is an ideal state for Palin, she didn't bid on one of the parking lot areas (Ron Paul got the biggest, Thad McCotter got the second-biggest) and she would be a huge money-raiser if she went.

Hence, not going (and if she does it now, they'll really resent her doing it) is a huge slap in the face for the Iowa Party. They're already steaming at Romney.

So if she isn't at the straw poll, she's not running in Iowa which means she isn't running.

Perry could still parachute into Ames because he has been conspicuously mulling the run. With Bachmann's flubbing of the pledge thing, it feeds the meme that she isn't ready for prime-time and it leaves a huge opening for Perry.

I think Palin wants Perry to run and will support him fairly early in the primaries if he does.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2011 01:54 PM (T0NGe)

28 Run Perry Run!

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at July 11, 2011 01:54 PM (qjUnn)

29 I'll say this for Palin under the hot media sun she has grown and blossomed rather then wilted. People who can do that, much like the plants in the metaphor, are those with good roots and enough nourishment underground to keep her alive. In this case I would guess those things are faith and a two way loyalty with her husband, her religion, and her Reaganesque conservatism.

Leftists really cant imagine, Marx, Mao, and femnazi wives and bitchy beta male husbands whose whole lives have been spent trying to redesign the wheel to include their every whim. No wonder they hate the way she flaunts it.

Posted by: Shiggz at July 11, 2011 01:55 PM (mLAWK)

30 Rick Perry's toe jam could beat Barry like a red-headed step-mule.

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 01:55 PM (GTbGH)

31 I think Perry is our best chance for beating King Putz. Sadly, he will likely be a one termer if he does what needs to be done to gubmint. By then though, someone like Rubio will be able to shoulder the load.

In the meantime, I wish for whirled peas.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 11, 2011 01:55 PM (ENKCw)

32 The MBM sniffs that this is not a candidate who looks "presidential"

Ah, the mysogynistic feminist liberal media. Gotta love 'em.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2011 01:55 PM (T0NGe)

33 I have to wonder if Rick Perry has people who just hit F5 on web browsers with tabs open to Google and Bing with the phrase "Run Perry Run" to see how many hits they get...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 11, 2011 01:56 PM (8y9MW)

34 Supposing the candidate she endorses wins the ticket, I will vote for that person over King Putz the JEF.

Posted by: ugeqpcqncfl at July 11, 2011 01:56 PM (zPfoL)

35 I'm thinking you're dead right on this one, Ace. I've believed for some time she wasn't running--why take the demotion?--but the fact that she hasn't backed a candidate yet was grounds to wonder exactly what she was up to.

She'll be there when he confirms it. Bank on it.

Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord© at July 11, 2011 01:56 PM (GBXon)

36 I agree she'd be more effective if she didn't run. I'm afraid her brand has been too tarnished thanks to Juan McLame.
Make no mistake, I love her like a sister (and being from Alabama, that means a lot) but it's gonna take a while to rehab her image, which is what I think she's busy doing. She's been there and done that, andI can't help but think that now she values being able to go home to her very lucky husband whenever she wants.
No, Sarah, No. But that'll change if she does run.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 11, 2011 01:57 PM (d0Tfm)

37 This has also been my belief for a few weeks now, though hope remains for my dream candidate, Bolton.

Posted by: Skeptic at July 11, 2011 01:57 PM (wZPyk)

38 Okay, DarkLord, I've managed to keep in my curiosity this long...

Who is the worst commenter?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 11, 2011 01:57 PM (8y9MW)

39 >>> As a Texan, I'd rather have Christie by a long shot.

And as a Texan I like the idea of Christie but he has his problems as well. Also Perry has a great resume with what he has done for Texas - the numbers don't lie and it will be hard for Obama and the Dems to deny him that.

Posted by: Roadking at July 11, 2011 01:58 PM (2uXj6)

40 I've been moving towards the she's not running thinking too. I have also been moving toward the I don't see how Odipstick gets re-elected also. He still seems to have that 40% or so that will vote for him even if he declares he is the anti-Christ, so hard to tell. But the thing that bothers me is I see no candidate including Perry who will do the things that need to be done to save us from either a continuing slow decent into depression, massive inflation or outright collapse.

None will find a senate that will be agreeable enough to do the hard choices to prevent it even if the next prez is committed to them.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 11, 2011 01:58 PM (JUYcv)

41 I just don't trust his late life conversion to conservatism AllenG. I'm glad you think he's a genius though.

Posted by: PR at July 11, 2011 01:58 PM (OwZCL)

42 ahem, o/t:
Daily Kos/PPP poll of Special Election in CA-36:
Janice Hahn (D) 52%
Craig Huey (R) 44%
This in a district where the Republican never clears 30,35%.

It's doable guys. Keep volunteering, particularly if Kos is only giving Hahn an 8 pt lead.

Posted by: CAC at July 11, 2011 01:58 PM (JEVge)

43 I'm really enthusiastic about Perry. Because the last Hispandering Texas governor worked out so well.

Posted by: Jon at July 11, 2011 01:59 PM (ouKNE)

44 ABBO

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 01:59 PM (GTbGH)

45

Hey! No biggie, homie! S’all good!

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 11, 2011 02:00 PM (jx2j9)

46 Who is the worst commenter?

I told you people several months ago; Obama locked down re-election when he killed Osama bin Laden. Nothing else matters at this point. We could run the reanimated corpse of Ronald Reagan himself and we'd still lose everything but Texas and maybe Wyoming. Face it, it's gamesetmatch. I wish things weren't this way because I want to see Obama defeated just as much as anyone else but as it stands we're toast.

Posted by: Greg at July 11, 2011 02:00 PM (0MS9j)

47 I agree,she hurts the Dems more as a free agent.She get's under their skin and deflects fire that might better be aimed at people like

Thaddeus McCotter

Posted by: fluffy at July 11, 2011 02:00 PM (4Kl5M)

48 goddamnit undead...

Posted by: CAC at July 11, 2011 02:00 PM (JEVge)

49 Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Tina Brown woke up and smelled the coffee about the juggernaut that is Sarah Palin. Newsweek releases Palin article early because of high demand. She's running.

Recall, Pantload (Billy Jeff) didn't get in the race till October. So far, Gingrich has imploded; Cain and Pawlenty can't get any traction. She didn't have to do a thing or come on the scene as a moving target. Palin has a history of entering races "late" and running an unconventional campaign.

Barracudas Maximus 2012

Posted by: RushBabe at July 11, 2011 02:01 PM (Ew27I)

50 Posted by: PR at July 11, 2011 01:58 PM (OwZCL)

I don't think it was a conversion to conservatism. I think it was a conversion to Republicanism. I never recall him being as big-government even as Bush was.

And would you have rejected Zell Miller if he'd ever run as a Republican (not that he was from Texas, but you get my point)? The fact is people pick a party for lots of reasons. He "converted"... what?... thirty years ago? Twenty? Long enough that I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 11, 2011 02:01 PM (8y9MW)

51 Where's Perry?

Posted by: Phineas at July 11, 2011 02:02 PM (hTjU8)

52
Posted by: Greg at July 11, 2011 02:00 PM (0MS9j)
Way too overblown, imo. Osama had lost a lot of his importance to Americans in the same way 9/11/01 had lost it's importance in most Americans' hearts.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 11, 2011 02:03 PM (jx2j9)

53 49
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Tina Brown woke up and smelled the coffee about the juggernaut that is Sarah Palin. Newsweek releases Palin article early because of high demand. She's running.

They will tell us who they fear want.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:03 PM (0MS9j)

54 She needs to decide sooner rather than later. So does Perry. Barry has essentially quit governing and is now in campaign mode, since campaigning ishis only skill. The longer the Republicans remain in disarray with constant speculation about who may yet get into the race, the more it benefits Obama and the Dems.

Posted by: Palin should stop jerking people around at July 11, 2011 02:04 PM (Ufo2V)

55 Wow. We got two Average Joes now.

cool. I guess.

Posted by: sifty at July 11, 2011 02:04 PM (gYuf3)

56 OT, but doomy!

Current yield on Greek 2-year bonds is over 31%.

You can call it a heavenly pot of scented honey and yogurt, but a default is still a default.

Think about this: German 2-year bonds yield 1.25%. Greek, over 31%.

Then have some hemlock.

Posted by: George Orwell at July 11, 2011 02:04 PM (AZGON)

57
The Democrats were about to write-off 1992 to President Bush.

But then...serendipity...

Ross Perot coupled with a restless electorate. And then some country bumpkin from Arkansas actually believed he could beat the incumbent.

Posted by: Soothsayer Conspiracy, Inc at July 11, 2011 02:04 PM (G/zuv)

58 >>>If she doesn't run, her influence will start to wain.

Since everyone corrects my misspellings and typos, it's Wane, you bonehead.

Posted by: ace at July 11, 2011 02:05 PM (nj1bB)

Posted by: Ferb at July 11, 2011 02:05 PM (JUYcv)

60 @49 what positions does perry hold that are not satisfactory to palin -- that would necessitate her running? what qualifications does perry lack that would lead palin to feel she needed to run? she said she would run if there wasnt someone sufficiently conservative running. to me the default position is that she is *not* running.

Posted by: Y-not still slumming it on the ipad at July 11, 2011 02:05 PM (yFfnt)

61 Her pic on the cover of newsweek?
HAWT!!!!!!

I hate you todd

Posted by: Navy COP joe aka supercabbie!!! at July 11, 2011 02:05 PM (Vc5X7)

62 Posted by: Palin should stop jerking people around at July 11, 2011 02:04 PM (Ufo2V)

Naa. I think they've got at least until labor-day this year. If they take longer than that, they're toast, but 3+ months to campaign in early Primary states should be fine.

I think that "they have to start soon" thing is being pushed by the MFM to give them the most time to find/manufacture "shocking discoveries" about our candidate.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 11, 2011 02:05 PM (8y9MW)

63 Only New Yorkers change their votes because of Osama bin Laden and 9/11.

Hasn't anyone learned anything from the comments?

Posted by: sifty at July 11, 2011 02:05 PM (gYuf3)

64 Perry, Palin (whether she runs or not), Bachmann. Any one of these threecoulddevastate Dick Obama and his regime in any kind of political debate.

Posted by: Soona at July 11, 2011 02:05 PM (qfA+V)

65 He "converted"... what?... thirty years ago? Twenty? Long enough that I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Perry has been a Republican longer than Ronald Reagan was in 1980.

And nearly all politicians his age from Texas to the Carolinas started out as Democrats, because that's the only party there was then. I don't think a lot of people understand that.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:06 PM (0MS9j)

66
You rang?

Posted by: Wayne Bonehead at July 11, 2011 02:06 PM (G/zuv)

67 She keeps gettin' richer but she can't get her picture on the cover of the Rollin' Stone...

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 02:07 PM (GTbGH)

68 Palin is playing a game of 3-D chess with the MFing MBM and the media (but I repeat myself) and in doing so, she's driving them and the RiNo nozzles bat shit crazy.

Keep them off-kilter, Sarah. Well done.

Posted by: beedubya at July 11, 2011 02:07 PM (AnTyA)

69 Hasn't anyone learned anything from the comments?

Posted by: sifty at July 11, 2011 02:05 PM (gYuf3)

No and I like it that way.

Posted by: De Debuhl at July 11, 2011 02:07 PM (EL+OC)

70 We could pick nits on every candidate,Perry included,he looks like a winner to me though.

Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2011 02:07 PM (ngjOQ)

71 55
Wow. We got two Average Joes now.

Whoa, "Greg" was me. I don't play stupid anagrams.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:07 PM (0MS9j)

72 >>Since everyone corrects my misspellings and typos, it's Wane, you bonehead.

You want a peace of me?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2011 02:07 PM (Goojj)

73 ace, do you keep the results of the polls Gabe does each month on the candidates? I can't remember which days he did them on.

IIRC Palin ran away with it in the month prior to the last poll in which Perry did.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 11, 2011 02:08 PM (pLTLS)

74 Ross Perot coupled with a restless electorate. And
then some country bumpkin from Arkansas actually believed he could beat
the incumbent.

Posted by: Soothsayer Conspiracy, Inc at July 11, 2011 02:04 PM (G/zuv)
Remember Paul Tsongas? He was slated to be the Dems' sacrificial lamb that year. It's still astounding to me that Obama's crowd was able to out-thug Hillary's team.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2011 02:08 PM (T0NGe)

75 You want a peace of me?

Ha. Nice.

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 02:09 PM (GTbGH)

76 They will tell us who they fear want.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:03 PM (0MS9j)
Well, we see how well that idea worked once.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan at July 11, 2011 02:09 PM (Ew27I)

77 It's still astounding to me that Obama's crowd was able to out-thug Hillary's team.

That's RAAAAACIST!

Denounce yourself.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 11, 2011 02:09 PM (8y9MW)

78 >>> Since everyone corrects my misspellings and typos, it's Wane, you bonehead.

We new you would catch it Ace.

Posted by: Roadking at July 11, 2011 02:10 PM (2uXj6)

79 As far as the Ames Straw Poll goes the article I read this morning was placing Bachmann in the lead for that followed by T-Paw.

Personally I never have thought that much of that poll, or any straw poll for that matter.

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2011 02:10 PM (M9Ie6)

80 I know it was you, you cranky old bastid. Got my blood going for a second.

Posted by: sifty at July 11, 2011 02:10 PM (gYuf3)

81
SNL did a funny Paul Tsongas.

Posted by: Wayne Bonehead at July 11, 2011 02:10 PM (G/zuv)

82 They will tell us who they fear want.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:03 PM (0MS9j)
Well, we see how well that idea worked once.

My dear friends...

Posted by: John McCain at July 11, 2011 02:10 PM (8y9MW)

83 Paul TaxonGas!! I'd forgotten that douche.

Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2011 02:10 PM (ngjOQ)

84 And nearly all politicians his age from Texas to the Carolinas started out as Democrats, because that's the only party there was then. I don't think a lot of people understand that.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:06 PM (0MS9j)
Most people still can't grasp the reversal of party leadership in the south from the 1980s through mid-1990s.
Hell they can't even grasp the relevance of a Maine and NH GOP resurgence.

Most people can't grasp most things but that won't stop them from having a poor opinion.

Posted by: CAC at July 11, 2011 02:10 PM (JEVge)

85 Palin and Bachman work out their differences:

http://tinyurl.com/6hks6sx

Posted by: THE Reporters at July 11, 2011 02:11 PM (136wp)

86 ncj -- I looked for you on the ONT late last night, but, *raspberries* you was gone. I knew you'd like this.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 11, 2011 02:11 PM (Ew27I)

87
It was pretty funny how Obama pulled out the rug from under Hillary.

She thought she was gonna cruise into the Oval Office.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 11, 2011 02:12 PM (G/zuv)

88 Palin and Bachman work out their differences:

I'm only clicking that if a baby pool of pudding is the venue.

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 02:12 PM (GTbGH)

89 84 I grasp it.I remember when Al Gore was a conservative Dem!!

Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2011 02:12 PM (ngjOQ)

90 She's not running. She'll act as a fundraiser and cheerleader for the Perry/VP To Be Named Later campaign. That's her natural role and I think she accepts that. Hopefully Perry will pay her back with Sec. Interior or Sec. Energy.

Posted by: joncelli at July 11, 2011 02:12 PM (RD7QR)

91 88
Palin and Bachman work out their differences:

I'm only clicking that if a baby pool of pudding is the venue.

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 02:12 PM (GTbGH)
Sorry, only bikini mud wrestling

Posted by: THE Reporters at July 11, 2011 02:12 PM (136wp)

92 87 Yeah funny,who's laughing now?I rather have Shrillery.

Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2011 02:13 PM (ngjOQ)

93 Perry and McCotter and Bachmann (if she stays focused) are going to use Obama as a bar rag at the debates. If Palin is on stage, Obama might just leap across and try to choke her out.

I predict slow-clap, single-tear-rolls-down moments aplenty.

Posted by: sifty at July 11, 2011 02:13 PM (gYuf3)

94 Well, we see how well that idea worked once.

My dear friends...

Posted by: John McCain at July 11, 2011 02:10 PM (8y9MW)

Dont forget me!... and dont forget the Viagra!

Posted by: Bob Dole at July 11, 2011 02:13 PM (qjUnn)

95 OT: The Senate Dems are making their budget public

"From Roll Call: Sen. Conrad is outlining the Senate Democrats' budget proposal on the
floor. Yes, he has charts."

Posted by: '80sBaby at July 11, 2011 02:14 PM (o2lIv)

96 Perry has the two big hurdles facing him in the short term over and done with. The Texas Legislature has wrapped up and he had some sort of back surgery or procedure completed. Allalahlahpundit had a article over the weekend that Perry was personally contacting GOP operatives in Iowa about him entering the race. Supposedly all of his research into a run has been positive.
Palin won't run against Perry.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at July 11, 2011 02:14 PM (kaOJx)

97 She keeps gettin' richer but she can't get her picture on the cover of the Rollin' Stone...

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 02:07 PM (GTbGH)
Yeah, about that...

Posted by: Gen. David Petraeus at July 11, 2011 02:14 PM (Ew27I)

98 Posted by: CAC at July 11, 2011 02:10 PM (JEVge)

I have to admit, I'm starting to get a little testy about the whole "He was a Democrat!" thing regarding Rick Perry.

Our Democrats didn't really go Bat Guano insane until the late 90's or so. Just being a Democrat in Texas didn't mean much- except that you wanted to get elected to State-Wide office- before about 1990.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 11, 2011 02:14 PM (8y9MW)

99 91
88
Palin and Bachman work out their differences:

I'm only clicking that if a baby pool of pudding is the venue.

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 02:12 PM (GTbGH)
Sorry, only bikini mud wrestling

Posted by: THE Reporters at July 11, 2011 02:12 PM (136wp)
Here is the Ur-threadhttp://tinyurl.com/6z79m56

Posted by: The Robot Devil at July 11, 2011 02:14 PM (136wp)

100 "From Roll Call: Sen. Conrad is outlining the Senate Democrats' budget proposal on the
floor. Yes, he has charts."

Oh well, charts. That's legit. All they need is a guy in a lab coat and their credentials are unassailable.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 11, 2011 02:15 PM (FkKjr)

101 77
It's still astounding to me that Obama's crowd was able to out-thug Hillary's team.That's RAAAAACIST!Denounce yourself.

Come on, even Indians don't get upset with that one! And yet, I denounce myself.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2011 02:15 PM (T0NGe)

102 Good thing eye have never maid a typo.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 11, 2011 02:15 PM (JUYcv)

103 Teabags don't leave leaves.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2011 02:16 PM (oUG6f)

104 Now you are Acestradamus?

I will bet my left nut she runs. Who wants it?

Posted by: Cherry π at July 11, 2011 02:16 PM (OhYCU)

105 I don't support Palin or Bachmann for president because I hate women and I question their qualification and desire for the position beyond personal aggrandizement.

But mostly because I hate women.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 11, 2011 02:17 PM (lbo6/)

106 104
Now you are Acestradamus?

I will bet my left nut she runs. Who wants it?

Posted by: Cherry π at July 11, 2011 02:16 PM (OhYCU)
I have an opening for it...

Posted by: Lance Armstrong at July 11, 2011 02:17 PM (136wp)

107 That's her natural role and I think she accepts that. Hopefully Perry will pay her back with Sec. Interior or Sec. Energy.

Posted by: joncelli at July 11, 2011 02:12 PM (RD7QR)
You know that The Media's only question for Perry will be: "Would you appoint Sarah Palin to the cabinet?" with the trap being that "yes" would be the wrong answer.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2011 02:17 PM (T0NGe)

108
she hurts the Dems more as a free agent

I think she hurts them as long as they fear she'll gain office. The minute she announces she's not running, they'll heave a huge sigh of relief and turn their guns on someone else.

Posted by: arhooley at July 11, 2011 02:17 PM (a8idq)

109 Not running, and also, endorsing Perry.
That has been my thinking for a while now too.
The thought occured to me back when the Perry balloon was just floating, some annonymousinside source was saying whether or notPerry would run depended on whether or not Palin was going to be making a run, and that Perry would jump in if she wasn't planning on it. This just before he went meeting with Guiliani and I think for sure he's been in touch with Palin.
I've been thinking Palin would not run for quite some time, Perry getting in (or incrementally telegraphingthat he will)cemented it in my opinion.
Not that that's based on anything more than baseless rumor.

Posted by: Entropy at July 11, 2011 02:17 PM (IsLT6)

110 Good thing eye have never maid a typo.

Congradulations! U R doin' it write!

Posted by: Miss Crabtree, there's somethin' heavy on my heart at July 11, 2011 02:18 PM (Ew27I)

111 I'm of the opinion that Ms. Sarah is very results oriented. It Perry jumps in, she'll definitely endorse him.

Posted by: Soona at July 11, 2011 02:18 PM (qfA+V)

112 Most people still can't grasp the reversal of party leadership in the south from the 1980s through mid-1990s.

More than just a reversal. There wasn't a Republican Party down here, at all, until sometime in the '60s. Even then, the Southern states stayed overwhelmingly Democrat at the state level until the 1990s. Perry switched around the time the dam was starting to break on monolithic Democrat party ID.

My grandfather was a registered Democrat until the day he died because he probably had trouble imagining the very concept of being a Republican -- even though he was one politically, and voted that way his entire life (anti-FDR, anti-Truman, anti-JFK, anti-Johnson, anti-Carter; big, big fan of Nixon and Reagan). That's just the way things were here.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:19 PM (0MS9j)

113 "From Roll Call: Sen. Conrad is outlining the Senate Democrats' budget proposal on the floor. Yes, he has charts."

"Conrad was unable to explain the resemblance between his budget charts and the gameboard from Chutes and Ladders, but said it was purely coincidental."

Posted by: George Orwell at July 11, 2011 02:19 PM (AZGON)

114 I knew you'd like this.

Hmmm ... dressed demurely and casually ... WHAT A WHORE!

Posted by: Bitter Lefty Harridans Everywhere at July 11, 2011 02:19 PM (bgArd)

115 Budget Plan: All your money are belong to us

Posted by: LOLConrad at July 11, 2011 02:19 PM (c45xH)

116 100
Oh well, charts. That's
legit. All they need is a guy in a lab coat and their credentials are
unassailable.

I wonder whether he's hiding the tax increases or freely showing them because he knows only people who view C-SPAN are watching. But he's counting on this to neutralize Republican outrage over their lack of a budget. He'll likely never actually bring it to the floor, but the Dems will still award themselves points for having some ideas.

It's pathetic.

Posted by: '80sBaby at July 11, 2011 02:20 PM (o2lIv)

117 SP will run for a Senate seat in Arizona.

Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2011 02:20 PM (ngjOQ)

118 113
"From Roll Call: Sen. Conrad is outlining the Senate Democrats' budget proposal on the floor. Yes, he has charts."

"Conrad was unable to explain the resemblance between his budget charts
and the gameboard from Chutes and Ladders, but said it was purely
coincidental."

Posted by: George Orwell at July 11, 2011 02:19 PM (AZGON)
I'm suing for copyright infringement on "Staircase"

Posted by: MC Escher at July 11, 2011 02:21 PM (136wp)

119 Sarah Palin looks like a toothless hillbilly with a nice rack.

Thank you. Please tip the bartender, you're too kind.

Posted by: Bill "Lawn Gnome" Maher at July 11, 2011 02:21 PM (p2IBw)

120 117
SP will run for a Senate seat in Arizona.

Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2011 02:20 PM (ngjOQ)
Replacing Kyl?

Posted by: The Robot Devil at July 11, 2011 02:22 PM (136wp)

121
in other news...

BOSTON (CBS) – Mayor Menino is threatening to end the city of Boston’s
participation in a federal illegal immigration crackdown program called Secure Communities.

The program requires police to run a fingerprint check through an immigration base for anyone arrested for a crime.

If the person turns out to be an illegal immigrant, they face deportation.
The mayor says he will pull the Boston’s participation unless it’s
specified that the program only deports those arrested for major crimes.
On Monday, Police Commissioner Ed Davis was headed to Washington, DC to deliver the message to the federal government.

“We have a very strong message… and hope for immediate change,” Davis told WBZ NewsRadio 1030′s Carl Stevens.

As it stands under the program, a person arrested for a minor crime can be deported.

The mayor and police commissioner both say the program has caused a
breakdown of relations between residents and police in immigrant
communities.

“We need to be a police department that’s a full-service department.
We can’t have a segment of the community afraid to call us,” said Davis.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 11, 2011 02:22 PM (G/zuv)

122 79
As far as the Ames Straw Poll goes the article I read this morning was placing Bachmann in the lead for that followed by T-Paw.

Personally I never have thought that much of that poll, or any straw poll for that matter.

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2011 02:10 PM (M9Ie6)
Well, the Ames Straw Poll is more of an event than a poll. It does get some media attention and any candidate who performs surprisingly does well because they get media coverage. The "winner" often doesn't win because expectations are sky-high and so it's seen as a disappointment.What it does is weed out the also-rans. Brownback dropped out right after the Straw Poll last time. Huckabee did better than expected so a lot of insiders and volunteers flocked to him. As a new candidate, Perry's expectations would be zero and so he'd be the story of the event. It could revive the Pawlenty campaign if he makes a good showing and it could really undercut Bachmann because of the high expectations.It's usually over-analyzed political theater, but what else are you going to do in mid-August?

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2011 02:23 PM (T0NGe)

123 "From Roll Call: Sen. Conrad is outlining the Senate Democrats' budget proposal on the floor. Yes, he has charts."
Cue the chimp video Ace posted this morning.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 11, 2011 02:23 PM (bgArd)

124 When I asked a Republican insider about the electoral field, they said Romney was the guy. On Perry: The nation is not going to get behind another Texas Yahoo. FWIIW. Personally, I am not stoked about putting another bilderburger in the WH.

Posted by: EM August at July 11, 2011 02:23 PM (zeBNm)

125 they'll heave a huge sigh of relief and turn their guns on someone else.

Posted by: arhooley at July 11, 2011 02:17 PM (a8idq)
To some extent, but not fully.They just can't quit her.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2011 02:23 PM (T0NGe)

126 120 I think so.

Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2011 02:23 PM (ngjOQ)

127 .

Posted by: Biting Tongue on "We've already got one Flake in the AZ Senate Race" Crack at July 11, 2011 02:24 PM (0MS9j)

128 Charts? OMG we're doomed.

- GOP

Posted by: Cherry π at July 11, 2011 02:24 PM (OhYCU)

129
It was pretty funny how Obama pulled out the rug from under Hillary.She thought she was gonna cruise into the Oval Office.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 11, 2011 02:12 PM

I'll tell you what's funny. I remember when I was scared spitless of Hillary. It was back in the will-she-or-won't-she phase, and Barack Obama was an absolute nobody. Maybe 2006? Little did I dream that the time of fearing Hillary was the good ol' days. And then, lo! Hillary rose again, albeit to some lower eminence.

Who knows what's in store for the Dems? Right now Sarah is their great terror, but someone "worse" could rise and bring Sarah back into appointed office . . . and thence to greater things.

Posted by: arhooley at July 11, 2011 02:24 PM (a8idq)

130 Nothing new in Palin's remarks Ace. Including her emphasis on "executive experience."
This, however, strikes me as not only New but wishcastingish:
(Bachmann is all-but-confirmed as the front runner
Dream on big fellah

Posted by: glowing blue meat at July 11, 2011 02:24 PM (K/USr)

131 Palin 2020.... she'll only be in her mid-50's then... and she'll build up so much political capital over the next few years, it will be a walk...

Posted by: phreshone at July 11, 2011 02:24 PM (T3vCe)

132 Yes,by all means continue to service the illegal community.

Posted by: steevy at July 11, 2011 02:26 PM (ngjOQ)

133 I cannot imagine a politician like Rick Perry passing on a better than 50/50 shot at being President of the United States.

It's like it's being handed to him on the silver platter, especially if he can get the Palin endorsement.

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 02:26 PM (GTbGH)

134 This, however, strikes me as not only New but wishcastingish:

(Bachmann is all-but-confirmed as the front runner
Dream on big fellah

Definitely. Romney's the front-runner.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:26 PM (0MS9j)

135 If. God forbid, Perry wins the nomination, then 2012 will be the fourth presidential election in a row where the GOP has nominated an open-borders Hispanderer from the southwest (Bush, Bush, McCain, Perry).

Posted by: Jon at July 11, 2011 02:27 PM (ouKNE)

136 Replacing Kyl?
Posted by: The Robot Devil

Sen. Kyl is retiring. However Rep Flake is running.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 11, 2011 02:27 PM (EeYDk)

137
Posted by: Jon

okay, thank you

Concern duly noted.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 11, 2011 02:28 PM (G/zuv)

138
“We need to be a police department that’s a full-service department.
We can’t have a segment of the community afraid to call us,” said Davis.Posted by: soothsayer at July 11, 2011 02:22 PM

"We need to handcuff ourselves and thwart half our mission in order to fulfill our mission of taking care of half our customers. (off-mic) Did I get that right?"

Posted by: arhooley at July 11, 2011 02:28 PM (a8idq)

139 I knew you'd like this.Hmmm ... dressed demurely and casually ... WHAT A WHORE!
Posted by: Bitter Lefty Harridans Everywhere at July 11, 2011 02:19 PM (bgArd)

What a fine, fine looking woman. Yes, I'd tap that.

Posted by: Soona at July 11, 2011 02:29 PM (qfA+V)

140 I was a big fan of The 'Stache until I saw his comedy routine at CPAC. Hecould never be elected, IMO.
Rick Perry is looking better and better whenyou factorinTexas's job numbers.I still think it's too early to tell though.

Posted by: LowSlopingForehead at July 11, 2011 02:29 PM (45d4s)

141 She's running for the presidency - and running hard.

She crossed the political Rubicon in April with her "Game On, Mr. President!" challenge during the Madison, WI rally.

In the latest Newsweek cover story, she declares that "she can win". When folks use that formula, they've already formally declared they weren't running, like Donald Trump (I coulda been a contendah winner).

JackStraw -

I don't think this is right. She has been prominent for the last couple
years because of the possibility she might run for the presidency, not
because of her average citizen status. If she doesn't run, her
influence will start to wain.

That's how I see it. She doesn't need to be in office NOW to have an effect, but the moment she declared that she isn't running in 2012, her negatives would skyrocket within the conservative movement.

SarahPAC still hasn't released its 2nd Quarter numbers. Pawlenty is hammering on Michele Bachmann, the official national release of Undefeated is on July 15, and Robert Costa works for National Review.

So yeah, she's running

Posted by: mrp at July 11, 2011 02:29 PM (HjPtV)

142
the thing that bothers me is I see no candidate including Perry who will
do the things that need to be done to save us from either a continuing
slow decent into depression, massive inflation or outright collapse.

I think Sarah sees the same thing. That's what pushes me towards thinking she'll run.

Posted by: arhooley at July 11, 2011 02:29 PM (a8idq)

143 95
OT: The Senate Dems are making their budget public"From Roll Call: Sen. Conrad is outlining the Senate Democrats' budget proposal on the
floor. Yes, he has charts."Posted by: '80sBaby at July 11, 2011 02:14 PM (o2lIv)

It one of these, isn't it? (I contend that females know how to make them from the very moment they are born ...)

Posted by: No Whining at July 11, 2011 02:30 PM (UzjcV)

144 We can’t have a segment of the community afraid to call us

What this witless numbskull is saying is he believes it's the criminals who are calling in to report their crimes.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 11, 2011 02:30 PM (bgArd)

145 The NFL season will not get resolved with this mindless banter

Posted by: Cherry π at July 11, 2011 02:32 PM (OhYCU)

146
Hey Jon... why don't youcompile a list of border state candidates whowon their electionsby giving Hispanics the big digit?

Posted by: LowSlopingForehead at July 11, 2011 02:35 PM (xxNPO)

147 they'll heave a huge sigh of relief and turn their guns on someone else.
Posted by: arhooley at July 11, 2011 02:17 PM (a8idq)
To some extent, but not fully.
They just can't quit her.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2011 02:23 PM (T0NGe)

You're right. They've spent way too much of their capital to disuade the American public from her(with minimal results, however). She's well esconsed in their teeny tiny brains.

Posted by: Soona at July 11, 2011 02:36 PM (qfA+V)

148 C'mon, ace. She seems to be running. I think she is just be coy. It's all speculation i suppose until she announces he intentions. I wan her to run while you dont, so we speculate what we want.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at July 11, 2011 02:36 PM (XKWd9)

149 In the latest Newsweek cover story, she declares that "she can win".

Pah-leese. Newsweek just wants to sell mags and they pulled some old quotes. This was not Palin doing an exclusive interview.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2011 02:38 PM (T0NGe)

150 Palin won't run against Perry
-------------
And perry wont run against palin. Call me what you may but i really dont think palin gives two shits what perry will do. If palin gets in first, i see him bowing to her. He can be a cheerleader for her campaign

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at July 11, 2011 02:39 PM (XKWd9)

151 Hey Jon... why don't youcompile a list of border state candidates whowon their electionsby giving Hispanics the big digit?

In your mind, is Jan Brewer- who won easily in a state with similar demographics to Texas- "giving Hispanics the big digit"?

Posted by: Jon at July 11, 2011 02:40 PM (ouKNE)

152 Still searching for The Messiah

Posted by: JEA at July 11, 2011 02:41 PM (ycm4Q)

153 And perry wont run against palin. Call me what you may but i really dont
think palin gives two shits what perry will do. If palin gets in first,
i see him bowing to her. He can be a cheerleader for her campaign

Kid, Perry's been governor for, literally, well over half your entire lifetime. He has no reason to bow to her.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:41 PM (0MS9j)

154 I see Secretary of Energy or Secretary of Interior for Palin. Or maybe head of the EPA.

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at July 11, 2011 02:43 PM (5d6vv)

155 I think you all under-estimate how profitable it is to be Sarah Palin private citizen. She has made like 10 million in 2 years.

Posted by: EM August at July 11, 2011 02:44 PM (zeBNm)

156 Palin's quote about the presidency not being suited to on-the-job training for someone with no previous executive experience was completely gratuitous. Her entitre "sugar daddy" post stood on its own without that quote. I think it's probably safe to say that quote came by way of response to Ed Rollins. Bachmann should send him a thank you note.

Posted by: Occam at July 11, 2011 02:44 PM (YJvVE)

157 The middle ages were caused by excessive taxation. Rome forced parents to sell their children into slavery in order to pay for taxes. Rome forced landowners to abandon their land because the landowners could no longer afford the taxes.

John Galt existed well before Ayn Rand. But he was caused Royalus Fuckus. And he and his old lady became peasants because they couldn't afford to have any wealth.

So yeah, I for one welcome our new middle ages. There will be plenty of opportunity for the guys like me.

Posted by: Klaus, the jolly-time magician and dwarf fucker at July 11, 2011 02:47 PM (qxcKC)

158
Wow. ...you got me there. I was under the mistaken impression that she was given the governorship in a line of succession. You know, when Napolitano resigned to serve in the Obama junta.
Thanks for clearing that up.

Posted by: LowSlopingForehead at July 11, 2011 02:49 PM (7S9gW)

159 Posted by: JEA

STFU, dunce.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 11, 2011 02:49 PM (bgArd)

160 Kid, Perry's been governor for, literally, well over half your entire lifetime. He has no reason to bow to her.
-------
Glad what i said annoyed you. Its annoying hearing all this cheerleader stuff for palin. Perry seems to have been a good governor but he seems like a political trend reader. He needs palin more than she need him. Besides, would it really be beneficial to hire someone who is fanous for "going rogue"? Palin seems suited to call the shots. I am apalin supporter after all.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at July 11, 2011 02:49 PM (XKWd9)

161 "I believe that I can win a national election," Sarah Palin declared one recent evening, sitting in the private dining room of a hotel in rural Iowa.

Newsweek - Peter Boyer quoting Sarah Palin during her visit to Pella, Iowa for the premiere of The Undefeated.

Posted by: mrp at July 11, 2011 02:49 PM (HjPtV)

162
Wow. ...you got me there. I was under the mistaken impression that
she was given the governorship in a line of succession. You know, when
Napolitano resigned to serve in the Obama junta.
Thanks for clearing that up.
There was an election for AZ governor last year. She ran, she won. Without Hispandering like Perry.

Posted by: Jon at July 11, 2011 02:57 PM (ouKNE)

163 She has made like 10 million in 2 years.

At some point, you've made enough money.

Posted by: Cherry π at July 11, 2011 03:01 PM (OhYCU)

164 It's been obvious she isn't running - at least, not in this cycle.

First, Fox News. Santorum and Gingrich were out the door at the first hint they would run. Huckabee was under pressure to decide early, and opted out on air. Yet Palin rolls along undisturbed . . . which has to mean she has told them she isn't running.

Secondly, she's let nearly all the decent top staff and fundraisers get hooked up with other candidates. Now, I know her fawning fan-boys think Palin can run from Facebook without a traditional organization, but no one can in this day and time. You need delegates to win, and you need money and boots on the ground to win delegates.

And the boots need to know what they are doing, not just be fawning fan-boys. Ask Howard Dean, whose throngs of fresh-faced volunteers so turned off Iowans he finished a very poor third in 2004 after setting records for early money and grassroots organization.

Posted by: Adjoran at July 11, 2011 03:08 PM (VfmLu)

165

Brewer , Jan (i)

GOP

867,323

55%

Goddard , Terry

Dem

669,793

42%

Hess , Barry

Lib

34,879

2%

Gist , Larry

Grn

14,349

1%

Hmm..I am sure that Hess and Gist being on the ballot had nothing got do with it.
BTW- I live in Florida, so I am unacquainted to what constitutes “Hispandering”. Care to elaborate?

Posted by: LowSlopingForehead at July 11, 2011 03:11 PM (t+Ksb)

166 If she doesn't run, she is not the person I think she is. If she doesn't, she will not just lose influence but face a serious backlash. In my opinion, not running would destroy her reputation and prove everything her detractors have said about herto betrue. It would be akin to quitting. She will come across as a ruthless opportunist who has used countless people in her quest for "stardom". She really has nothing to lose by running andhas much more to lose by not running. But she has to annouce soon or she's going to lose people like me who are tired of her supposeddithering. It's gotten old.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at July 11, 2011 03:11 PM (4zKCA)

167 Still searching for The Messiah
He's playing golf, isn't he?

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2011 03:12 PM (oUG6f)

168 ..nothing to with it..arghh!

Posted by: LowSlopingForehead at July 11, 2011 03:12 PM (t+Ksb)

169 Pandering for the Hispanic vote or support.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 11, 2011 03:13 PM (oUG6f)

170 @164 you pretty much nailed this. The boots on the ground are behind Romney so I hear from the grapevine. But that is probably from a biased source.

Posted by: EM August at July 11, 2011 03:15 PM (zeBNm)

171 But she has to annouce soon or she's going to lose people like me who are tired of her supposeddithering.
You sound like a true believer!!!11!!!

Posted by: Cherry π at July 11, 2011 03:17 PM (OhYCU)

172 First, Fox News. Santorum and Gingrich were out the door at the first hint they would run. Huckabee was under pressure to decide early, and opted out on air. Yet Palin rolls along undisturbed . . . which has to mean she has told them she isn't running.Secondly, she's let nearly all the decent top staff and fundraisers get hooked up with other candidates. Now, I know her fawning fan-boys think Palin can run from Facebook without a traditional organization, but no one can in this day and time. You need delegates to win, and you need money and boots on the ground to win delegates. And the boots need to know what they are doing, not just be fawning fan-boys. Ask Howard Dean, whose throngs of fresh-faced volunteers so turned off Iowans he finished a very poor third in 2004 after setting records for early money and grassroots organization.
Posted by: Adjoran at July 11, 2011 03:08 PM (VfmLu)
I dont think Fox has fired her because 1. She is not so obvious about running. gingrich and santorum were living in Iowa for a whole year. 2. She makes them money, why get rid of her early? Think about it. She has not been on Fox for about a month.And what about staff and fundraisers? She has hired staff. I dont think she is worried about making money either cause come on, she'll raise a ton. Basically your argument is she is howard dean. sad.
She is running.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at July 11, 2011 03:22 PM (C9YYo)

173 170 @164 you pretty much nailed this. The boots on the ground are behind Romney so I hear from the grapevine. But that is probably from a biased source.
Posted by: EM August at July 11, 2011 03:15 PM (zeBNm)
Funniest thing I've heard all day. Romney? He just has rich fundraisers and wall street bankers. No grassroots support

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at July 11, 2011 03:23 PM (C9YYo)

174 Hats off to you Mr. Ace. Another good job using the letters P, A, L, I, and N to build traffic. You're getting good at this.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at July 11, 2011 03:28 PM (fiAaW)

175 She will come across as a ruthless opportunist who has used countless people in her quest for "stardom".

If the shoe fits....

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 03:33 PM (0MS9j)

176 Referring to the Ames Straw Poll, August 13.

Ron Paul got the biggest parking lot area and Thad McCotter got the second biggest. Ron Paul versus Thad McCotter. Oh, this is proof that the Ames Straw Poll matters.

We the people, will now defer to a bunch of Iowa shit kickers who have nothing better to do on August 13 than stand in the sun and listen to Ron Paul debate Thad McCotter. Oh, yea. We are talking watershed here.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at July 11, 2011 03:40 PM (fiAaW)

177 Kid, Perry's been governor for, literally, well over half your entire lifetime. He has no reason to bow to her.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:41 PM (0MS9j)

What about Palin's endorsement of Perry in his latest election?

Posted by: davidt at July 11, 2011 03:43 PM (H3jYe)

178 Definitely. Romney's the front-runner.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 02:26 PM (0MS9j)
He also outperforms Generic Republican.

Posted by: CAC at July 11, 2011 03:43 PM (7Z9P3)

179 What about Palin's endorsement of Perry in his latest election?

Well, what about it?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 03:48 PM (0MS9j)

180 She's running and she's way better than Perry, the GOP's desperate attempt to retain power and not have to cut Big Government.
I can't wait to bid on Peelosi's plane on ebay!
Maybe put some of the 1/3 of the western lands the fed owns up for sale too.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at July 11, 2011 03:49 PM (vXqv3)

181 Perry becomes my first choice if he jumps in- especially if he taps Susana Martinez in NM as his VP.

Posted by: CAC at July 11, 2011 03:50 PM (7Z9P3)

182 she's way better than Perry
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at July 11, 2011 03:49 PM (vXqv3)
Ok, I'll bite.
Electorally what does Palin have that tops Perry, the Governor of a state responsible for half the jobs created in the last 3 years?

Posted by: CAC at July 11, 2011 03:51 PM (7Z9P3)

183 @179, Is it possible her endorsement carried a condition such as, "If I run for President you won't run against me."? Do politicians make these kind of deals?

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185 Pah-leese. Newsweek just wants to sell mags and they pulled some old quotes. This was not Palin doing an exclusive interview.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2011 02:38 PM (T0NGe)
Yeah, it was.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 11, 2011 03:53 PM (Ew27I)

186 Do politicians make these kind of deals?

Do they make them? I'm sure they do. Do they honor them? That's a different kettle of fish.

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 03:55 PM (GTbGH)

187 183
@179, Is it possible her endorsement carried a condition such as, "If I
run for President you won't run against me."? Do politicians make these
kind of deals?

It's possible. But I think that if there were such a deal Perry would not have allowed the speculation that he's running to continue over these last several months, especially since he claimed he wouldn't run last year and has since walked that back.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 03:58 PM (0MS9j)

188 Palin has been running since the first Wednesday of November 2008, maybe even since she was first tapped by McCain to be his running mate.

Posted by: davidt at July 11, 2011 04:01 PM (H3jYe)

189 @186, Would Perry want Palin's enmity?

Posted by: davidt at July 11, 2011 04:05 PM (H3jYe)

190 Remember how the liberal press excoriated Reagan? Here are some quotes.

"And since G.O.P. Front Runner Ronald Reagan relies upon a base of support
that is on the far right wing of the Republican Party, some experts have long
declared that if he wins the nomination, the G.O.P. would simply be repeating
the suicidal Goldwater campaign. Ex-President Gerald Ford left no doubt
about his views when he warned last month: "A very conservative Republican
cannot win in a national
election."

"National
opinion polls continue to show Carter leading Reagan by an apparently
comfortable margin of about 25%. They also show that more moderate Republicans
like Ford would run better against the
President"

"Reagan cannot hope to win, however, unless
he moves beyond the hard-line conservative base that has sustained him
since he first appeared on the national political scene as a spokesman
for Goldwater himself. He has no experience in Washington politics or foreign
affairs. "

"Worse perhaps than the verbal gaffe is
Reagan's relentlessly simple-minded discussion of complex
problems"

"One of his proposed cures for inflation is
the notion that a huge tax cut will restore the productive vitality of the
economy and control price rises. Most economists believe this approach is
nonsense, that it would simply fuel more inflation."

"Reagan's loose
statements and flabby positions will make splendid targets for Jimmy Carter.
John Sears, Reagan's former campaign manager, was worried by
that very problem during his year-and-a-half reign, and after Reagan fired him
in late February, Sears complained publicly that Reagan does not have
well-prepared policy positions. Frets Sears: "I'm not sure that he is
now adequately briefed on matters on which politicians and the press and the
people hold him to account."

Posted by: Beverly at July 11, 2011 04:06 PM (GLyLR)

191 Source for the Reagan quotes:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/6zmkm7a

Posted by: Beverly at July 11, 2011 04:07 PM (GLyLR)

192 I think it's likely that Palin and Perry have long had an agreement upon a Palin/Perry ticket, with Perry + a Palin endorsement as plan B.

Posted by: davidt at July 11, 2011 04:08 PM (H3jYe)

193 Everyone knows the winning ticket is Roemer/Keyes.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 11, 2011 04:09 PM (OWjjx)

194 Would Perry want Palin's enmity?

Would he actually get it publicly? I don't know but I'm thinking not. I'm sure Palin understands that politics aint beanbag, and with Barry a wounded duck, it will be hard for Perry to say no. He's got a record, maybe spin, maybe not, that goes directly to the heart of the voter's worries.

Posted by: toby928™ at July 11, 2011 04:10 PM (GTbGH)

195 I just happen to believe Sarah is way more conservative fiscally and will actually CUT the hell out entire departments of the Federal Government. I see nothing in Perrys history that indicates he would do that, but admittedly I don't know him as well as I do Sarah.

I also believe in Sarah we are looking at all out ram up of energy production and disabling of the environut shackles. Drill Baby Drill!

NOT shut up and eat your peas.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at July 11, 2011 04:14 PM (vXqv3)

196 Toby FTW!

"30
Rick Perry's toe jam could beat Barry like a red-headed step-mule."

Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at July 11, 2011 04:33 PM (Q1qy3)

197 Oh that Greg psychopath is back? Hope him pretending to be one of us trolling is more fun this time. Last time Ace woodshed him in a minute and that kept the infestation away for months.

Hey Greg, just for opposite day, why not try stating your and Obamas actual real positions and then clearly and honestly and directly state the reasons why you think your views are the better option?

I know you and no American lefties have any experience in this. At least euro-socialist are honest about most of their positions and goals. (fun side note Obamas policies are to the left of even many of them)

Posted by: Shiggz at July 11, 2011 04:34 PM (mLAWK)

198 Whoa whoa whoa there sonny

We got some FALSE Texans invaded this here blog.

"As a Texan, I'd rather have Christie by a long shot.

And as a Texan I like the idea of Christie but he has his problems as
well. Also Perry has a great resume with what he has done for Texas -
the numbers don't lie and it will be hard for Obama and the Dems to deny
him that."

Are you effing kidding me. Christie is a RINO wannabe. He doesn't like guns. He doesn't think you have a right to own guns. Any red blooded son of TEXAS knows full well that only RINOS don't like guns.

What were you thinking?

Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at July 11, 2011 04:37 PM (Q1qy3)

199 @Beverly, nice quotes.

Posted by: Shiggz at July 11, 2011 04:46 PM (mLAWK)

200 Inshalah!!!
If she did run there would be a mongoloid in the First Family.

Posted by: Uncle Jimbo at July 11, 2011 04:49 PM (gmq6c)

201 Wow. Ace reads some stuff and says, "that's it, she's not running". Supporters in 50 states read the same stuff and say, "that's it, let's roll", and crank up the grassroots organization into 2nd gear. Interesting...

Posted by: ranger117 at July 11, 2011 04:55 PM (komjZ)

202 She's running.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at July 11, 2011 05:08 PM (bAL0J)

203 uncle jimbo at 200

I will stand for those who cannot defend themselves.

If you've got a problem with Todd being native, then you have a problem with me.

Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at July 11, 2011 05:13 PM (Q1qy3)

204 I think if she plays kingmaker and endorses somebody, she should step aside to some extent and let the candidate become the face of the party.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 11, 2011 01:51 PM (FkKjr)

If she endorses that person early on, they can team up, and she can stump for them everywhere. But as she said, her endorsement is a double-edged sword.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 11, 2011 05:14 PM (H/Wdv)

205 So if she isn't at the straw poll, she's not running in Iowa which means she isn't running.

The straw poll is for boosting name recognition and organizing your volunteers, neither of which are a problem for Palin.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 11, 2011 05:17 PM (H/Wdv)

206 Why don't you compile a list of border state candidates who won their elections by giving Hispanics the big digit?

Perry just fried one. That's gonna score him points with the base. Red meat. Smell the sizzle!

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 11, 2011 05:23 PM (H/Wdv)

207 laceyunderalls @14
I don't have a second favorite. It's Sarah or bust.

Posted by: Rae4palin at July 11, 2011 05:29 PM (G4RRM)

208 Oh, good lord. This whole thread makes me want to go out and buy pipe fittings or whatever the hell else the spambots are peddling this hour . . .

Oh, and she's running.

And, 208th.

Nyah.

Posted by: filbert at July 11, 2011 05:32 PM (smvTK)

209 My profoundest apology to the spambot who checked in @184.

And the newsweek cover is pretty hot for a presidential-candidate-maybe, you gotta admit . . .

Posted by: filbert at July 11, 2011 05:36 PM (smvTK)

210 Say it ain't so. If she endorses Perry I am going to have work hard to get the saner, more truthful Charlie Sheen on the ballot.

We don't need any more Bushies, McCains, or Doles. Whatever you might say about Charlie, he's not any of those things.
Hope, Change, you more transvestite RINOs!

Posted by: Molon Labe at July 11, 2011 06:33 PM (g5MrG)

211 54She needs to decide sooner rather than later. So does Perry. Barry has essentially quit governing and is now in campaign mode, since campaigning is his only skill. The longer the Republicans remain in disarray with constant speculation about who may yet get into the race, the more it benefits Obama and the Dems. Posted by: Palin should stop jerking people around at July 11, 2011 02:04 PM (Ufo2V) It actually helps for Palin and/or Perry,in fact, all of the candidates,for Palin and Perry to keep a low profile.Because King Putt can't campaign on the touchy feely HopenChangen-Unicorns, and he sure as hell can't campaign on his record as President;All he has is attack and smear and shit-slinging, and until he has a clear target his campaigning will be just a bunch of flippin' and floppin' around like a fish out of water. It's good to hold back and let him stew in the shitty diaper he's created for the American public. They'll know better where the stench comes from.

Posted by: Minuteman at July 11, 2011 06:47 PM (hbAPu)

212 UGH, I just don't like Rick Perry and that's all there is to it. If my fellow Republicans all over the country decide that he's the one, I'll vote for him. To beat Obama, I'll even donate, man the phones and walk the neighborhoods for him. But I just. don't. like. the man.

I adore Pawlenty, think he's gotten a bad rap, and if Palin would back him, he would rocket in the polls.

Wouldn't mind Bobby Jindal either.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at July 11, 2011 06:52 PM (2AfqM)

213 Wouldn't mind Bobby Jindal either.

Please, take him.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 11, 2011 06:55 PM (NNYl0)

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I see Secretary of Energy or Secretary of Interior for Palin. Or maybe head of the EPA.

Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at July 11, 2011 02:43 PM (5d6vv)
Combine them all into one department, eliminate the redundancies, clean out the commies, and slice it to the bone, baby. Also, Giuliani for Homeland Security, same job description.While I'm making my dream list, Allen West for Speaker of the House, and Rubio for Senate Majority Leader.

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a Palin/Perry ticket, with Perry + a Palin endorsement as plan B.

Now a Palin/Perry or Perry/Palin ticket, that I wouldn't mind so much.

And since even Perry is heck of a lot better than McLame, we'd still end up with a lot better ticket than we had in '08!

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at July 11, 2011 10:52 PM (2AfqM)

219 @214: While I'm making my dream list, Allen West for Speaker of the House, and Rubio for Senate Majority Leader.

Hell, no! We need Allen West for Sec of Defense or Natl Security Adviser!!

For Speaker, how about Michele Bachmann? Yesss!

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at July 12, 2011 01:03 AM (2AfqM)

220 Wow, I actually made it to the bottom of an AoS comment list! (Anyway, up to #220 as I compose this.) And what a ride! Many good and thoughtful comments on both sides of the "Is Palin running" question. And of course much crap. And some fun. Now, I hope, my humble but prolix comment (my first on AoS, I think) will be so far down the list and so late in the day that no one notices.

I don't think I've ever been so concerned for our country, seeing our desperate need to defeat the tyrants, and the danger of RINOs throwing 2012. As a jaded old fool, I'm surprised at myself that I can seriously support a candidate without hesitation. This is the first time in my political life, and that means since I didn't vote for Nixon's re-election (and, no, I didn't vote for the Dem). I didn't think that much about her in '08, but since then, I've been watching, and Sarah Palin seems indomitable.

Of the comments here, mrp (141) put it best: "She's running for the presidency - and running hard. She crossed the political Rubicon in April with her 'Game On, Mr. President!' challenge...." If not before! I also think Tony Lee put that well back in April with his Top Ten Reasons Why Sarah Palin is Running For President -- note the present-tense.

She's not playing coy. She looks as "presidential" as any woman we've had in that office so far. (heh) Seriously, as Shiggz (29) put it, "under the hot media sun she has grown and blossomed rather then wilted." So, people who think "it's gonna take a while to rehab her image" really have it backwards, boy! (36)

Maybe I'm reading her completely wrong, but she's honest, sincere, and true-blue in all she says. (How many other candidates would look just the same in public words as in umpteen-thousand private emails? Damned clever to pull that off!) She's on the right side of everything, which you can't really say about anyone else. I'll skip the defense of that, but when she enthusiastically praises the strong field of candidates, all those lesser lights, warts and all, she means it (where I would not).

She already has lots more in place than "fawning fan-boys," Adjoran (164), but yeah, she could run a campaign from Facebook and still smother almost anyone. She has the growing base, the popular power, and the personal stamina. Importantly, she also has the right positions, the grace to deal with the enemies (literal and political), yet the unyielding strength never to cave in. She's tried, tested, and ready. She can win. Nominate her, and despite all that Soros, the Meedja, the brainwashed, and the RINOs throw at her, she will win. Big! Then, she will guide America back on track.*

What so many folks, pro and con, seem to miss is something about Palin that stands 'way 'way outside the norm for politicians. She is honest, sincere, clear-minded, but most of all puts her fate completely in the hands of the Almighty. The timing of her official entry, the course of her campaign, whether she wins the nomination, whether she'll win the election, and how she will lead in office, she trusts all this completely to the "most highs [who] rule in the kingdoms [and Republics] of men [and women]." I noticed. D'ya think the Most Highs will?

For all her joyous spirit, she also knows the terrible price that might be, very well will be, extracted from her, and her family, if she runs, and if she wins. She is willing to bear what comes, not for her sake, but for the sake of service.

*Most importantly, now, we need to have not just a true Constitutionalist in the Oval Office, but on her coattails sweeping in an overwhelming majority of like-minded folks in both houses of Congress, or the Presidency will not be enough. No one else could do that but President Palin!

In any case, we've really got to get Piper into the White House!

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