Gun Thread: Reloading 101 Pt. 3: Easter Edition - Working with Powder [Weasel]

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There's a Hare in my Scope!

Happy Easter, everyone! I hope you've bitten the heads off of your chocolate bunnies and found all of the eggs hidden in your back yard. Remember, if you're good, the Easter Bunny will leave a quarter under your pillow tonight. Or is that the Tooth Fairy? Either way, let's pick up where we left off with reloading and other fun gun stuff last week, shall we?

For those who need to catch up, we've been discussing reloading and spreading the material over a few weeks. Here are links to Part 1 and Part 2 where we review essential gear and begin setting it up.

As a reminder, please do not list specific load powder charge weights when discussing reloading, and please remember this material is intended for the novice reloader, so let's keep the information basic for now. Thanks.

Moving right along in our reloading series, it's time to unbox the powder dispenser and scale, and this isn't a particularly difficult procedure. So open the boxes, and take out the powder dispenser and scale, and put them on your bench. The End. Seriously, a few words on the gear; you recall from the shopping list I recommended investing in a better than average powder dispenser and scale, and the reason is simple. While you can reload with satisfactory results using much less expensive equipment, using it can be tedious and frustrating. You want to make the reloading process as smooth and uncomplicated as possible, and a goofy powder dispenser is a pain in the ass to use. And it doesn't get better the longer you sit at the bench fighting with it. Same with scales. Nothing will make you less confident in your work than a powder scale that seems to be wandering all over the place, so if at all possible, this isn't the place to economize.

Powder Dispenser
These all work about the same way with the difference mostly being in the quality of the components. A micrometer of some sort is moved in and out creating a volumetrically variable chamber which fills with powder from a larger hopper above each time the lever is cycled. The setup really only involves putting the parts together and practicing a bit to develop a technique for operating the dispenser the very same way each time and using as close as possible to the same speed and pressure on the lever as you dispense a charge. At the beginning of a reloading session I always run through several test charges, measuring each until I am getting acceptably consistent results. It's also helpful to keep the main powder chamber at least approximately half full. I've found the charges begin to vary as the powder level gets close to running out. Finally, it's not a good idea to store powder in the dispenser between reloading sessions. I dump any unused powder back into the original container when I'm done for the day.

One note: For some powder dispensers, the micrometer size varies depending on whether it's designed for loading handgun loads where smaller charge weights are used, or rifle loads where larger charge weights are needed. Be sure to look at the range of performance for your particular dispenser to make sure it's appropriate for your intended use.

VIDEO: Powder measure setup
VIDEO: Using a powder measure


Scales
Powder scales come in all shapes, sizes and prices. You can spend a lot of money on a scale. I have small inexpensive digital jeweler's scales which honestly aren't too bad for a quick check, and very elaborate and expensive laboratory balances which can be fussy and subject to electromagnetic interference from household wiring and flourescent lighting fixtures. What I use is an old fashioned beam scale and I have collected a few from various manufacturers. There are all sorts of integrated dispensers and scale combinations which many people like, but what I use to produce my match ammunition is a plain old reloading beam scale. A couple of tips; calibrate your scales before each reloading session using a check weight, and I find it very helpful to add about a pound of stick-on lead wheel weights to the underside of the scale body when first setting it up. This helps dampen tiny vibrations and keep the scale from skittering all over the place on the bench as you work.

VIDEO: Redding beam scale review
VIDEO: How to zero and read a beam scale


Next week we'll talk about choosing components!

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Last week lin-duh sent in an excellent instructional video, and I thought I'd include it here again for those that may have missed it.

Did anyone have a chance to watch this and what do you think?

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Prolific Gun Thread contributor ibguy sends us this link for a neat-o hanging target frame. All you have to add is some 1' diameter electrical conduit and you're ready to shoot. In fact it's so neat-o that I ordered one my own self to use at the farm and it was delivered USPS in just a few days. I'll try to remember to include a review later this spring once I've used it. Thanks ibguy!

I have a bunch of different target frame setups of similar design. What do you use? Something you purchased or did you engineer one yourself?

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Range Time With a Purpose
The folks at Shooting Illustrated have some suggestions for making practical use of your range time.

When you go to the range, do you have a particular training objective in mind, or do you just plug away at paper trying to make a small group of holes?


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Link-O-Rama

iMarksman Sport Range Simulator h/t: ibguy
Ammunition Store - SALE!
Fulton Armory - SALE!
Powder Valley - SALE!
Outdoor Life: Six Survival Rifles Under $600
Gubs Magazine Review: Springfield Armory XDM 10mm
Shooting Times Review: Remington 700PCR
Shooting Illustrated: Ballistic Gel Testing
Barrel Twist Rate and You


***Mail Bag***

Our pal and Food Thread guru Mr. Charles B. Dildo sends us this week's Mail Bag entry. Perhaps an advanced cleaning procedure I'm not familiar with? Or a seasoning for the green matter?

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 got my elk and deer licenses and put in for my tags...poles are all ready too, along with my tackle box.

Posted by: trapper's girl at April 21, 2019 07:03 PM (kwbNb)

2 nd

Posted by: 40 miles north at April 21, 2019 07:07 PM (o2vOl)

3 rd

Posted by: 40 miles north at April 21, 2019 07:09 PM (o2vOl)

4 Howdy and Happy Easter from WeaselAcres, everyone!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:09 PM (9lm3U)

5 Great thread and very informative, as always. Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 21, 2019 07:11 PM (gC2IV)

6 I built an AR-15 in 6.5 Grendel last week. I'm boresighting it and will zero it tomorrow.

McGyver, out

I've done three AR's in 6.5 Grendel. A 16" carbine and 20" rifle for me and a 18" rifle for grandson. Seems to be a good caliber and the AR is a perfect platform for it.

Posted by: Agitator at April 21, 2019 07:11 PM (m9DnX)

7 Weasel, Before I finish with the post, thanks for that top photo. It is adorable and I can always use adorable.

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 07:11 PM (bmdz3)

8 Off to a slow start on a holiday weekend. I read the content and a couple of the links.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 07:11 PM (qc+VF)

9 Thanks, Duke! Appreciate your tuning in each week.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:12 PM (9lm3U)

10 Brace yourselves.

https://thefederalist.com/2017/10/29/obamas-campaign-gave-972000-law-firm-funneled-money-fusion-gps/

Posted by: Key West Reader at April 21, 2019 07:12 PM (8TrZS)

11 225 875 churches vandalized in one year in France. Hundreds murdered on Easter at churches in Sri Lanka. Years of persecution of Christians in Iraq and Syria. How long can people pretend this isn't a global anti-Christian pogrom?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 21, 2019 07:06 PM (5aX2M)

*lugs this over from the other thread*

This is really starting to feel like one of those "gradually, then suddenly" scenarios.

Mainstream "news" outlets were pretty mum on whodunnit.

And scant mention of scores of Christian churches in Africa burnt, the parishioners murdered.

Gradually...
then suddenly.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at April 21, 2019 07:13 PM (PXJBj)

12 Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 07:11 PM (bmdz3)
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Thanks JTB. That got an "awwwww" out of WeaselWoman, too.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:13 PM (9lm3U)

13 The mister is spending two weeks in the Midwest, turkey hunting in his ancestral stomping grounds. Except I'm not sure he's actually hunted more than two days in the last seven.
He did, however, trade in his old truck on a brand new one. So there's that.
Thank goodness I stayed home so I could work overtime, huh?

Posted by: antisocialist at April 21, 2019 07:14 PM (2shuf)

14 One of the splodey guys in Sri Lanka detonated in a crowd gathering for an Easter Morning breakfast buffet.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at April 21, 2019 07:14 PM (PXJBj)

15 Apologize for the length, but I had to tell this story:

Ever try to ship a firearm? I mean, as an individual to a manufacturer
(in my case) or an FFL? Should be doable, right? beware though, there
are some double secret prohibitions that you should know.
First, I
started out doing a search on the UPS and Fedex websites. I rejected
USPS out of hand, because USPS. Apparently USPS can ship them as well,
but I mean, if you're that much of an optimist, well, you're probably
not a regular reader of AOS.
The UPS website isn't half bad, but
deceptive because it's not complete. First, you can't just take it to a
UPS Store. They are a franchise and they don't do it. I made that
mistake and ran into a couple of hipsters and hipster managers that just
said, no, UPS doesn't ship firearms. I said, yes they do, and the
conversation degenerated from there. Turns out, you have to take it to a
UPS customer service center. Luckily, there are several in most major
metro areas. But, second mistake was calling them first and trying to
find out about packaging. They can't tell you on the phone, or rather,
the chick in Taiwan who answered their phone can't tell you. She also
can't give out the phone number for the customer service center - secret
info that. So, I found out the hard way that you have to leave it open
enough for their agent at the center to look inside. Mine was a long gun
that I had carefully wrapped, in it's case, and that had to be opened
to give the agent a look see. But besides that, UPS was pretty good.
When
I was rejected by the hipsters at the UPS store, I also looked at
Fedex. Their website has no info on shipping firearms. If you search
their site for "ship firearm", you get several references to shipping
"dangerous goods", but if you go to them, yep, they never mention
firearms. Then ok, so I called them too, and their chick in the
Dominican Republic only knew that I had to take it into one of the Fedex
shipping centers too, and there is only one in the metro area of the
state that I'm in. So Fedex was out.
Funny thing - both the hipster
at the UPS store and the dominican republic chick both asked me if the
manufacturer was an ffl holder. I would think that enough firearms are
shipped that the people answering the phones for them might have a
slight amount of training, but no. On second thought, I might not be
surprised if the Feds allowed a company to make guns, but not to sell
them.
So that's my tale of woe - my long gun is out in the ether and
hopefully will arrive safely. Maybe they ship it by canoe. That could be
trouble.

Posted by: Last at April 21, 2019 07:14 PM (8HiDF)

16 There's a Hare in my Scope!

Ok, what is the story behind that picture? We've got lots of little bunny rabbits running around right now, but they know from birth not to be around if there's a gun around.

Posted by: t-bird at April 21, 2019 07:15 PM (Ry8mf)

17 I've done three AR's in 6.5 Grendel. A 16" carbine and 20" rifle for me and a 18" rifle for grandson. Seems to be a good caliber and the AR is a perfect platform for it.
Posted by: Agitator at April 21, 2019 07:11 PM (m9DnX)

I want to build an AR in 6.5 Grendel soooo bad, but my husband is convinced that Creedmore is the way to go.

Posted by: antisocialist at April 21, 2019 07:16 PM (2shuf)

18 Mrs. Epador was fortunately only holding a glass of red wine when I showed her the top photo.

Posted by: epador at April 21, 2019 07:16 PM (RyIfn)

19 Happy Easter Weasel!

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 21, 2019 07:17 PM (aBR7R)

20 Posted by: t-bird at April 21, 2019 07:15 PM (Ry8mf)
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Special rules for Easter bunnies.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:17 PM (9lm3U)

21 Thanks JuJuBee! Happy Easter!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:18 PM (9lm3U)

22 > have you been to the range?

Yeah. On Monday I had some excellent pistol shooting with the S&W Vic. Friday I had some MEH rifle shooting with the RS22.

Although what I count as MEH now would have thrilled me 3 months ago.

Still waiting for the AR15 to be shipped but my spotting scope arrived today.

Posted by: ArthurK at April 21, 2019 07:19 PM (TlftJ)

23 I've done three AR's in 6.5 Grendel. A 16" carbine and 20" rifle for me and a 18" rifle for grandson.

I would be interested in hearing more about your experience. What barrels did you use and how did they work out for you? Are you handloading or using factory loads? And anything else that you think might be of use. Especially things of the "I wish I'd known that..." sort.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 07:20 PM (qc+VF)

24 I've done three AR's in 6.5 Grendel. A 16" carbine
and 20" rifle for me and a 18" rifle for grandson. Seems to be a good
caliber and the AR is a perfect platform for it.

Posted by: Agitator at April 21, 2019 07:11 PM (m9DnX)



I want to build an AR in 6.5 Grendel soooo bad, but my husband is convinced that Creedmore is the way to go.


Posted by: antisocialist at April 21, 2019 07:16 PM


.300 Blackout is the definitive cartridge for the black rifle platform.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 21, 2019 07:20 PM (JUOKG)

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Posted by: ArthurK at April 21, 2019 07:19 PM (TlftJ)
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So you're seeing progress! Fun, isn't it?

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:20 PM (9lm3U)

26 Willowed:
How long can people pretend this isn't a global anti-Christian pogrom?



Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 21, 2019 07:06 PM (5aX2M)

AND
Jew pogrom!?!? Christ warned us as did Paul, etc. My niece and I were
discussing this earlier vis-a-vis the Sri Lanka debacle. When will
people wake up?!?!?


Posted by: Grannymimi at April 21, 2019 07:17 PM (u5LFV)

Posted by: Grannymimi at April 21, 2019 07:21 PM (u5LFV)

27 The gub thread is a good place to share this:
https://coffeeordie.com/ lake-city-ammo-plant/

Posted by: Helena Handbasket - CNN is ridiculous bullshit at April 21, 2019 07:21 PM (0ReGO)

28 That glockamole can result in diearrea .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 21, 2019 07:22 PM (2DOZq)

29 > Posted by: Last

Ref shipping firearms.

When my S&W Victory broke, S&W sent me (emailed) a prepaid shipping label. I just stuck in on the package and UPS picked it up at my door the next day.

When it was fixed, UPS dropped it off. You don't have a gun that was already in your possession shipped to an FFL. That's for when you first get it from the dealer - the FFL has transfer paperwork to fill out. There's not transfer when you get a gun fixed

Posted by: ArthurK at April 21, 2019 07:23 PM (TlftJ)

30 I want to build an AR in 6.5 Grendel soooo bad, but my husband is convinced that Creedmore is the way to go.


Posted by: antisocialist at April 21, 2019 07:16 PM

I think the military has chosen the creedmore.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 21, 2019 07:23 PM (2DOZq)

31 OT - I know better than to post on an old thread, so thanks to everyone's WWII book recommendation in the book thread. Still looking for a good D-Day book.

Posted by: josephistan at April 21, 2019 07:23 PM (Izzlo)

32
One of the splodey guys in Sri Lanka detonated in a crowd gathering for an Easter Morning breakfast buffet.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at April 21, 2019 07:14 PM (PXJBj)

Those damned Amish! Always causing trouble

Posted by: Grannymimi at April 21, 2019 07:24 PM (u5LFV)

33 Well, I'm back!

Did mass, had a nice feast with the family, took a nap and then a walk in this wonderful sunny warm weather.

Yesterday I was at the Novi gun show (Michiganders know what I'm talking about) and as usual non-firearm purchases predominated.

I got some delicious spicy cheese, barbecue sauce and a German military surplus hat that replicates one I had in the 80s with ear flaps and a visor. I literally wore the thing to pieces over 20 years and have been craving a replacement.

Can hardly wait for winter to wear the thing. Youngest Daughter got a Russian furry hat and Middle Daughter picked up a German surplus field jacket.

I did buy 500 rounds of cheap pistol ammo, causing one of my friends (who met me there) to ask how long it would last.

"That's like a year's supply for me. How long will it last you?"

I paused to think about. "Maybe a month. Maybe less." The vendor laughed.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at April 21, 2019 07:24 PM (cfSRQ)

34 Glockamole, somebody clean that gun quick.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 21, 2019 07:24 PM (z8Ih+)

35 34 Glockamole, somebody clean that gun quick.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 21, 2019 07:24 PM (z8Ih+)
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Well... it is a Glock...

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:25 PM (9lm3U)

36 Nice thread Weasel, as usual!

When I go to the range, I usually work on the basics first when zeroing my rifles. Then I work on follow up shots, practice reloads and what not, usually out to 100 yards.

At longer ranges, 300 to 600 yards, I work on how a particular rifle sights in and any hold off or hold overs I need for a particular distance using iron sights or scopes.

Collecting surplus, I shoot everything from 1917 Lee Enfields, 1903 Springfields, etc. to modern AK's and AR's so it is fun and challenging as well as a walk thru history.

When I go to the pistol range, I tend to work on basics as well as seeing what a particular pistol or revolver can and cannot do. From old Cz-27's to modern 1911's, it is always fun and a challenge to get them running right and on target.

I recently found a nice 1908 Colt Hammerless in .380 that may need to be liberated from a dusty old pawn shop in my AO. Poor thing just sits there.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 21, 2019 07:26 PM (Z+IKu)

37 Posted by: Grannymimi at April 21, 2019 07:21 PM (u5LFV)

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They've been attacking our synagogues for a long, long time. We're used to it, we know what's going on.

I'm afraid a lot of Christians are in denial about what's happening. The complacency needs to be broken, and our detestable, traitorous media isn't helping.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 21, 2019 07:27 PM (5aX2M)

38 Regarding UPS, I recently shipped my Mauser bolt and barrel with them at their retail store and it went very smoothly. Obviously it wasn't a full firearm, but they were helpful and polite.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at April 21, 2019 07:27 PM (cfSRQ)

39
One of the ARs I built is 6.8 SPC.

Anyone else use that?

I think I did that before the 6.5 became popular..?

Posted by: Spun & Murky at April 21, 2019 07:28 PM (4DCSq)

40 Ever try to ship a firearm? I mean, as an individual to a manufacturer (in my case) or an FFL? Should be doable, right?

I've shipped both to a manufacturer (Ruger, FWIW) and to a C&R FFL. Ruger was easy because they sent a box with all the proper labels. For the C&R, I did what you did and found the regs on the USPS website and printed them out. I also stopped in the day before and told them that I would be bringing in a rifle to mail. The clerk had me talk to the postmaster who was totally cooperative. He told me to bring the box unsealed and ask for him personally. When I came back I brought a copy of the receiver's FFL. He looked at that, looked in the box, taped it up and everything was good to go. Honestly less hassle than I was expecting.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 07:28 PM (qc+VF)

41 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 21, 2019 07:26 PM (Z+IKu)
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Thanks Hairyback Guy. My pleasure!

Sounds like you have a good routine at the range. Why aren't you at the pawn shop?!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:29 PM (9lm3U)

42 I recently found a nice 1908 Colt Hammerless in .380
that may need to be liberated from a dusty old pawn shop in my AO. Poor
thing just sits there.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 21, 2019 07:26 PM (Z+IKu)

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I want one of those as well. Also looking at picking up a Tokarev.

Collecting antique pistols is addictive. The feel, the sense of history... very cool.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at April 21, 2019 07:32 PM (cfSRQ)

43 I'm afraid a lot of Christians are in denial about
what's happening. The complacency needs to be broken, and our
detestable, traitorous media isn't helping.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 21, 2019 07:27 PM (5aX2M)

A lot of the Christians I know are in a state of denial as long as the Nile River. Reminds me of the Einstein quote concerning human stupidity and infinity.Sigh!

Posted by: Grannymimi at April 21, 2019 07:32 PM (u5LFV)

44 37. Well don't look to Commie Pope for any leadership on this issue. Even Benedict 16 walked back his realistic islam statements when the PC cops leaned on him.

Posted by: kallisto at April 21, 2019 07:33 PM (Ox1Xf)

45 Interesting links on how to operate the scales. Precision is important, probably not good to do that under a ceiling fan. Good series Weasel, always wanted to know more on reloading.

Went to the range last week and tried trap for the first time. Shoulder recovering, new recoil pad installed and a cheap vest with a pad ordered. Completely different than a day at the rifle range. Those clays are quick. You have all of a second to see, track, point more than really aim, and fire.

Posted by: Uncle Si at April 21, 2019 07:35 PM (F7vOh)

46 joesphistan - That just reminded me I saw a D-day book at my local used book shop and never went back to get it. Still trying to track down anything on a engineer battalion/ company my FiL was in.

Posted by: Skip at April 21, 2019 07:36 PM (BbGew)

47 The links on setting up and using powder measures are very helpful. Much of this stuff is not instinctual. Same for using the scale. I'm going to note the Ytube titles to place in the Bookmarks section.

Also, that video from lin-duh about acquiring handgun mastery (or at least improvement) is worth watching. It breaks down the process into repeatable steps without getting overly complicated. My only complaint is they use those new-fangled semi autos instead of revolvers. :-)

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 07:37 PM (bmdz3)

48 our local UPS store has quite a few gub fans on staff, starting with the manager. never had a problem there in either direction for gub things.

in fact, they love when i play "show n' tell" with new things.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 07:39 PM (ER1jH)

49 If the disciples carried a gun what kind of gun would it be?

A Colt Single action of course.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 21, 2019 07:39 PM (2DOZq)

50 Well don't look to Commie Pope for any leadership
on this issue. Even Benedict 16 walked back his realistic islam
statements when the PC cops leaned on him.

Posted by: kallisto at April 21, 2019 07:33 PM (Ox1Xf)

As far as I am concerned, there hasn't been a real Pope since John Paul II, maybe John Paul I.

Posted by: Grannymimi at April 21, 2019 07:40 PM (u5LFV)

51 I want to build an AR in 6.5 Grendel soooo bad, but my husband is convinced that Creedmore is the way to go.

The creedmore will require the AR10 platform instead of the AR15. Cartridge dimensions and pressure push it up. This, or something similar, is what the AR should have been to begin with.

Posted by: Agitator at April 21, 2019 07:40 PM (m9DnX)

52 for shipping FFL stuff, i just take everything to the toy store, ready to go, they add their paperw*rk & seal it up, and it gets picked up there.

now that i have my 03, anything old we buy will be coming straight to the house. i'll just have UPS, or whoever, hold it at their hub and pick it up there, instead of wondering WFT they are going to come to the house.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 07:42 PM (ER1jH)

53 Funny how the media used such highly charged language when reporting on New Zealand. For Sri Lanka they have their dispassionate journalist facade back. Fifty muslims dead was a horrific atrocity, over 200 dead Christians and others simply eating breakfast at their hotels were described as...over 200 dead. Just the facts, ma'am.

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 21, 2019 07:43 PM (aBR7R)

54 Sounds like you have a good routine at the range. Why aren't you at the pawn shop?!
Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:29 PM (9lm3U)

Hopefully, I will swing by there this week and rescue the poor thing.

After a nice bath and all it's shots, it will be good to go....LOL

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 21, 2019 07:44 PM (Z+IKu)

55 Range time: Family guntogether and Shot Garand, 1911, AR, 22 WMR, 45 acp Sig.

Day before family guntogether, shot IDPA.

Another great job, Weasel!

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at April 21, 2019 07:45 PM (WEBkv)

56 Posted by: Agitator at April 21, 2019 07:40 PM (m9DnX)

Makes sense since it's a similar caliber to the .308.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 21, 2019 07:45 PM (2DOZq)

57 The creedmore will require the AR10 platform instead of the AR15. Cartridge dimensions and pressure push it up. This, or something similar, is what the AR should have been to begin with.
Posted by: Agitator at April 21, 2019 07:40 PM (m9DnX)

Yeah, that was what he was saying. I don't really want to build an AR10 for the first build, plus we already have one. I just want something different, you know?

Posted by: antisocialist at April 21, 2019 07:45 PM (2shuf)

58 Back to family, taking a quick break to drop by and say howdy.

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at April 21, 2019 07:45 PM (WEBkv)

59 44
37. Well don't look to Commie Pope for any leadership on this issue.
Even Benedict 16 walked back his realistic islam statements when the PC
cops leaned on him.

Posted by: kallisto at April 21, 2019 07:33 PM (Ox1Xf)

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Pope Benedict was ahead of his time and worried about bringing people along to fast. He was also hampered by the fact that no Western leader had the guts to stand beside him. Even Dubya kept swearing that Islam = peace.

If you get a chance, read his 6,000 word discourse on the sex abuse scandal.

It came out last week. Thoughtful and incisive, but we knew that.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at April 21, 2019 07:46 PM (cfSRQ)

60
Glockamole, somebody clean that gun quick.
Posted by: Ben Had
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Well... it is a Glock...
Posted by: Weasel


Shouldn't matter. New media tells me they're plastic and plastic doesn't rust...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 21, 2019 07:48 PM (aKsyK)

61 I use a Lyman powder measure I bought some 30 years ago, heavy cast iron body and a 2-stage micrometer slide. The plastic powder tube is darkened from mucho powder having gone through it, but this powder measure is pretty much indestructible -- it should out-live me.

I use a Lyman balance beam I bought with the powder measure. Good tip about adding lead weights, I hadn't thought of that. I check every 10th powder throw. I never go for maximum loads, so I stay away from the danger zone on the load lists.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 21, 2019 07:49 PM (5Yee7)

62 When it was fixed, UPS dropped it off. You don't have a gun that was already in your possession shipped to an FFL. That's for when you first get it from the dealer - the FFL has transfer paperwork to fill out. There's not transfer when you get a gun fixed

Some state -- I don't recall which one but no doubt one of the usual suspects -- was trying to make it so that you had to do a NICS check to get your own gun back from the gunsmith. Don't know if happened or not.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 07:49 PM (qc+VF)

63 pro tip for handling powder:

do NOT use a vacuum cleaner to pick up any spills.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 07:49 PM (ER1jH)

64 Thanks Uncle Si, JTB and Blake. Appreciate the kind words.

I'm at the farm for a few days and am going to try and take some time off from projects to do a little shooting.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:50 PM (9lm3U)

65 I know my dad liked Benedict XVI/Cardinal Ratzinger (I'm not sure what a retired Pope goes by). I respect his opinion, so I think he was a good Pope on the whole. I think that may also be why he "retired." Something seems to be very wrong in Rome.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 21, 2019 07:50 PM (5aX2M)

66 I prefer scoops to powder measures if they are calibrated and consistent. Of course, that makes them a one trick pony: a specific amount of a specific powder for a specific load. Very quick and handy once done but limited.

But when working up loads, having the ability to make minute changes in a charge is where the powder measures shine. The alternative is to scoop a charge close to what is wanted and trickle in the remainder. It's slow but doable.

This is why a good scale is so important. Being able to make .1 or .2 grains difference in a load is a helpful ability to have.

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 07:51 PM (bmdz3)

67 I think the military has chosen the creedmore.

6.8 SOCOM, or something very similar, is what what I am hearing. Again for the same reasons. Overall cartridge dimensions and pressure push the creedmore into the larger receiver in the AR10.

Posted by: Agitator at April 21, 2019 07:51 PM (m9DnX)

68 In lots of ways black powder is so much easier, pour into measure, dump into barrel, ram bullet home.

Posted by: Skip at April 21, 2019 07:52 PM (BbGew)

69
I use a Lyman balance beam I bought with the powder measure. Good tip about adding lead weights, I hadn't thought of that. I check every 10th powder throw. I never go for maximum loads, so I stay away from the danger zone on the load lists.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 21, 2019 07:49 PM (5Yee7)
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Let me know how you like the lead weight trick if you try it. It makes a big difference!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:52 PM (9lm3U)

70 But when working up loads, having the ability to make minute changes in a charge is where the powder measures shine. The alternative is to scoop a charge close to what is wanted and trickle in the remainder. It's slow but doable.

This is why a good scale is so important. Being able to make .1 or .2 grains difference in a load is a helpful ability to have.
Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 07:51 PM (bmdz3)
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Powder tricklers are great for that, too.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:55 PM (9lm3U)

71 I know my dad liked Benedict XVI/Cardinal Ratzinger (I'm not sure what a retired Pope goes by). I respect his opinion, so I think he was a good Pope on the whole. I think that may also be why he "retired." Something seems to be very wrong in Rome.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 21, 2019 07:50 PM (5aX2M)

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Seems like he "was retired" rather than choosing to retire. Supposedly for health reasons, but still doing well 6 years later. This was at a time when the whole world was swinging Left, and I'm guessing the RC Church wanted to keep up.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 21, 2019 07:55 PM (9hJlZ)

72 Weasel, as long as you remember to change fuel filters. Then you can shoot all you want.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 21, 2019 07:56 PM (z8Ih+)

73 72 Weasel, as long as you remember to change fuel filters. Then you can shoot all you want.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 21, 2019 07:56 PM (z8Ih+)
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I will, thanks! I bought four so I'll have them when I need them. Fuel filters are way cheaper than tractor engines!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 07:57 PM (9lm3U)

74 Weasel, If I can find it, I'll send a link to a homemade item for beam scales. It's a platform that raises the scale to an easily seen height, can be leveled at four points and has room to use a powder trickler. Hope I can find it again.

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 07:57 PM (bmdz3)

75 Lights out soon, if your up at 4am log in.
Good night horde

Posted by: Skip at April 21, 2019 07:59 PM (BbGew)

76 Semi related reload comment:

I got a recall notice this week on some ammo i purchased. Seems someone overloaded the powder on a couple of lots.

Turns out i did not buy one of the lots, but does high light the variability to be found in manufactered rounds.

Posted by: tbodie at April 21, 2019 08:01 PM (dhqL5)

77 74 Weasel, If I can find it, I'll send a link to a homemade item for beam scales. It's a platform that raises the scale to an easily seen height, can be leveled at four points and has room to use a powder trickler. Hope I can find it again.
Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 07:57 PM (bmdz3)
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Thanks, JTB. Check out the Omega powder trickler when you have time. It's battery operated with an adjustable stand and does a great job once you become proficient using it.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:01 PM (9lm3U)

78 Seems like he "was retired" rather than choosing to
retire. Supposedly for health reasons, but still doing well 6 years
later. This was at a time when the whole world was swinging Left, and
I'm guessing the RC Church wanted to keep up.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 21, 2019 07:55 PM (9hJlZ)

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He knew a storm was coming and doubted his strength to prevail. He saw up close the long decline of St. John Paul II and did not want the same thing to happen again.

I'm also not sure why you're insinuating there's something suspicious about him having unexpectedly good health. I call that a blessing and am glad he is well enough to share more of his wisdom with us.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at April 21, 2019 08:01 PM (cfSRQ)

79 'Night Skip. Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:01 PM (9lm3U)

80 Back when I was a yute, the real eccentrics of the shooting world were the bench rest guys. Take a 22/250, add a 15 pound barrel, a railroad tie for a stock, and a 20 power scope and you were in business. A lot of those guys used the very simple Lee Loader and the scoop powder measure. During their exceedingly boring shooting session, sometimes 10 shots in two hours, they would reload the same case over and over. Striving for the one hole group at 500 yards.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 21, 2019 08:02 PM (XnuYA)

81 Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 21, 2019 08:02 PM (XnuYA)
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A lot of my F-Class buddies shoot benchrest in the winter to keep in practice.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:03 PM (9lm3U)

82 That Glock was a bitchkitty to clean, won't it CBD? I mean after you licked most of the guacamole off.

Posted by: Eromero at April 21, 2019 08:08 PM (qBNEP)

83 I'm also not sure why you're insinuating there's something suspicious about him having unexpectedly good health. I call that a blessing and am glad he is well enough to share more of his wisdom with us.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at April 21, 2019 08:01 PM (cfSRQ)

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I agree that his continued good health is a good thing and a blessing. I only noted it because, as I recall, health was cited as the reason for his retirement. Maybe I got used to Popes during my life serving as long as they thought were able physically.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 21, 2019 08:09 PM (9hJlZ)

84 It's been a few good weeks collecting .32's.
I've squandered my capital on:

A 1913 Colt (Model 1903).
It's one of the last few thousand made in high-polish blue.
It's a blue-black mirror, like only Colt could do.

A late minty 1941 Colt (Model 1903).
It's in an un-numbered and unlabeled Colt box,
with no instruction manual or interior label.
As such, I'm pretty sure it's one of the Royal Netherlands Indies Ordnance Commission.
The order got marooned in New York after Dec. 11.
A Colt letter will (I hope) prove I'm right and that
it's a "Dutch Colt".

A Sauer 1913, marked '1920' and P.w. B.
A pre-WWI Bavarian Police .32, allowed to be
retained after the Armistice.

I've located a Berlin Police "K.P.P.B." marked FN1900,
a truly rare bird, with the safety markings in German (not French, as usual).
Calling the shop in the morning... they want less than $400 for it. that's foolishly low.
And I've been hunting a Berlin Police 1900 for a long time.

Posted by: retropox at April 21, 2019 08:10 PM (tNgix)

85 A lot of my F-Class buddies shoot benchrest in the winter to keep in practice.

Pretty much the same thing except that you don't have to lie on your belly in the snow, isn't it? More seriously, I wouldn't have thought that people would shoot BR in the winter either unless maybe if you live in Arizona.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 08:10 PM (qc+VF)

86 Commie Pope has some weird foot fetish. He's probably on his way to Sri Lanka right now to kiss some muzzie foot. That's his preferred method of 'building bridges not walls.'

Posted by: kallisto at April 21, 2019 08:10 PM (bYk1t)

87 Neat-o hanging target frame , the only thing remaining to do is buy a 4" tube of pvc, 2 end caps, and cut to appropriate length.

When did the thought bubble come into his mind would be an interesting tidbit. Bet he wasn't consciously thinking about shooting - just tinkering with something in the garage and *whoa*.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 21, 2019 08:10 PM (AfYvi)

88 Happy gun thread day!

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 21, 2019 08:10 PM (NWiLs)

89 In lots of ways black powder is so much easier, pour into measure, dump into barrel, ram bullet home.
Posted by: Skip at April 21, 2019 07:52 PM (BbGew)

Love watching those guys at the range. Everyone else is pow, pow, pow then you hear bang/swoosh and a big cloud of smoke billows forth from the black powder guy.

I always stop and ask them questions even though I don't shoot black powder as I learn something every time. Plus it's so cool.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 21, 2019 08:12 PM (Z+IKu)

90 I agree that his continued good health is a good
thing and a blessing. I only noted it because, as I recall, health was
cited as the reason for his retirement. Maybe I got used to Popes during
my life serving as long as they thought were able physically.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 21, 2019 08:09 PM (9hJlZ)

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The stress load he has now is a lot different. All the travel, audiences, etc. may well be beyond his abilities, but he's fine with a quiet life of contemplation and prayer.

I think he made his decision to set an example for others.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at April 21, 2019 08:12 PM (cfSRQ)

91
Seems like he "was retired" rather than choosing to retire.
Supposedly for health reasons, but still doing well 6 years later. This
was at a time when the whole world was swinging Left, and I'm guessing
the RC Church wanted to keep up.
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Remember JPII had Reagan and Thatcher and the Polish Solidarity movement. Benedict was accused constantly of being 'nazi'.

Frankie Hollywood is truly a disappointment and nowhere near intellectually as able as his predecessors.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 21, 2019 08:12 PM (MIKMs)

92 Hey everybody.

Is that glockamole extra spicy??

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 08:13 PM (miE9U)

93 85 A lot of my F-Class buddies shoot benchrest in the winter to keep in practice.

Pretty much the same thing except that you don't have to lie on your belly in the snow, isn't it? More seriously, I wouldn't have thought that people would shoot BR in the winter either unless maybe if you live in Arizona.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 08:10 PM (qc+VF)
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The club where I used to shoot had a busy winter BR match schedule. Not sure if it's a thing or not. Anyone else know? The guys used to complain about the bitter cold (go figure).

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:13 PM (9lm3U)

94 Posted by: retropox at April 21, 2019 08:10 PM (tNgix)


You need a bigger vault.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 21, 2019 08:13 PM (AfYvi)

95 2 Weasel, as long as you remember to change fuel filters. Then you can shoot all you want.
Posted by: Ben Had
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FWIW, given the problems with ethanol, I have added a marine water trap to my fuel line. There is also the matter of condensation forming in the tank, ethanoled fuel or not.

I did this after stuttery running, and finding water in the carb bowl. On my little tractor there is only a plastic in-line filter.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 21, 2019 08:14 PM (CDGwz)

96 I'm also not sure why you're insinuating there's
something suspicious about him having unexpectedly good health. I call
that a blessing and am glad he is well enough to share more of his
wisdom with us.


Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at April 21, 2019 08:01 PM (cfSRQ)

Guess I am just bummed out over the far left political slant the Church has seemed to take in recent years. Stick to the message of Christ and the Apostles! Politicians are Satan's spawn.

Posted by: Grannymimi at April 21, 2019 08:14 PM (u5LFV)

97 88 Happy gun thread day!
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 21, 2019 08:10 PM (NWiLs)
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Same to you, Imsom!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:15 PM (9lm3U)

98 Calm Mentor, it is extremely rare that a Catholic Pope retires, they usually serve until death. There used to be a commenter named 'curious' who said her friend's barber in Rome told him Benedict 16 was going to retire, and we all gave her a workout. Well the barber turned out to be right.

Posted by: kallisto at April 21, 2019 08:16 PM (bYk1t)

99 Yep. Survived the day. Here for my fave thread.
Weasel has been telling me about custom builds and it gives me a funny feeling "down there".

Posted by: RI Red at April 21, 2019 08:16 PM (61D7I)

100 Something isn't making sense to me.
There is talk of scales.
There is talk of powder dispensers that measure the load.
Why both unless you're using the scales to confirm your dispenser is on target?
Personally, I will probably just weigh each load and use a funnel to go from the scales to the casing. I'm sure a dispenser speeds things up but, what's the rush?

I have most of what I need but not there yet. Still don't have calipers, a good trimmer, cleaner for the brassvod a good scale.

Do have Lee 50th anniversary reloading kit, a set of Lee dies for the rifle, couple thousand primers ( Winchester large rifle WLR ) and a lb of IMR 4831 that was recommended.
Oh, and 100 Nosler/Winchester 140gr ballistic silvertips.
If any of those sound wrong for my 7mm mag, please sound off.

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2019 08:16 PM (E9vLe)

101 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 21, 2019 08:14 PM (CDGwz)
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I use a diesel stabilizer in the tank and drain water (not much) from the filter when I remember!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:17 PM (9lm3U)

102 Last week I mentioned helping a friend get started in reloading and thought the Lee Hand Press (nutcracker style) would be useful. Then I realized I handed used one from spent brass to finished round for years. Before offering my opinion, I should check it again making 38 WCs.

I used spent 38 special cases and the usual three die Lee carbide set. Didn't lube the first few cases. not really needed for straight wall pistol cases. Then tried the rest using Lee resizing lube. (That's a topic for another thread but the stuff works really well.)The lube made a significant improvement in how easily the sizing went. The ram prime that comes with the Hand Press kit worked VERY well, much better and faster and more positive than expected. I held the cases in a tray to charge them with a scoop I use for that cartridge all the time. The bullet seating and crimping die was already set for WCs. It went faster and was more fun than I anticipated.


Even a small mounted single stage press can do the same. But for those with a lack of space or funds the Hand Press kit can do it all.

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 08:19 PM (bmdz3)

103 Gunga la Gunga

Posted by: JT at April 21, 2019 08:20 PM (QzCyC)

104 99 Yep. Survived the day. Here for my fave thread.
Weasel has been telling me about custom builds and it gives me a funny feeling "down there".
Posted by: RI Red at April 21, 2019 08:16 PM (61D7I)
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Save yourself while you still can!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:21 PM (9lm3U)

105
OT, but great picture:

https://tinyurl.com/y4dz6zly

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 21, 2019 08:21 PM (LsBY9)

106 > Still looking for a good D-Day book.
Posted by: josephistan

Beevor's book "D-Day" is solid.

Posted by: ArthurK at April 21, 2019 08:22 PM (TlftJ)

107 Howdy Horde!

So, the Seders are behind us, and I certainly hope that y'al had a Blessed Easter.

Thanks, Weasel, for the shout-out!

Our local indoor range has switched up to a digital (?) lane configuration.

Was initially skeptical, bit now - to quote Davey Jones - I'ma believer.

Posted by: ibguy at April 21, 2019 08:22 PM (EHVbt)

108 Ok, let's do a .45 v 9 mm thing. This is as a result of Weasel putting me some knowledge. Again.
6.5 Creedmore v. .308 Win?

Posted by: RI Red at April 21, 2019 08:23 PM (61D7I)

109 Calm Mentor, it is extremely rare that a Catholic Pope retires, they usually serve until death. There used to be a commenter named 'curious' who said her friend's barber in Rome told him Benedict 16 was going to retire, and we all gave her a workout. Well the barber turned out to be right.
Posted by: kallisto at April 21, 2019 08:16 PM (bYk1t)

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This has been my recollection throughout my life as well, but A.H Lloyd makes a good point above.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 21, 2019 08:23 PM (ffYR/)

110 I showed the Glockamole picture to my NRA Expert Marksman daughter and she just rolled her eyes at me and told me that this didn't even qualify as "Dad Humor."

I think she likes the gun.

Posted by: Gork at April 21, 2019 08:24 PM (VmQ66)

111 Posted by: teej at April 21, 2019 08:16 PM (E9vLe)
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When I'm reloading handgun loads, I QC about every 5 or 10 rounds. For match loads, I use the powder measure set to about 99% of the load I want and then trickle each one the final amount literally by the speck of powder.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:26 PM (9lm3U)

112 OT, but great picture:

Maybe OT, but certainly timely. And very touching.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 08:26 PM (qc+VF)

113 OT, but great picture:
https://tinyurl.com/y4dz6zly
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 21, 2019 08:21 PM (LsBY9)

Nice!....more people need to be like that little girl.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 21, 2019 08:26 PM (Z+IKu)

114 Anybody else here like to use old light bulbs for targets? Also, punching holes in old drives is fun, just be a long ways away.

Posted by: freaked at April 21, 2019 08:27 PM (UdKB7)

115 108 Ok, let's do a .45 v 9 mm thing. This is as a result of Weasel putting me some knowledge. Again.
6.5 Creedmore v. .308 Win?
Posted by: RI Red at April 21, 2019 08:23 PM (61D7I)
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Yes!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:28 PM (9lm3U)

116 Powder dispensers are fine until you try to use one with stick-shaped powder. If I'm reloading with a powder such as IMR-4198, I set the dispenser to throw a charge several grains under the desired weight, and then subsequently place the charge on a scale and add the remaining grains using a powder trickler.

Posted by: WVinMN at April 21, 2019 08:29 PM (pV4s0)

117 I'm afraid a lot of Christians are in denial about what's happening. The complacency needs to be broken, and our detestable, traitorous media isn't helping.

Not at our house of worship. Very aware, and good OPSEC.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 08:29 PM (lD3vL)

118
True Git is on tv. I can't watch it because 1) matt damon, and 2) Jeff Bridges' stupid mouthfull-of-shit speech-acting.

Never saw the original True Grit. Any good?
Is "Rooster Congburn" a sequel?

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 08:29 PM (nYGP6)

119 89 ... "In lots of ways black powder is so much easier, pour into measure, dump into barrel, ram bullet home.
Posted by: Skip at April 21, 2019 07:52 PM (BbGew)

Love watching those guys at the range. Everyone else is pow, pow, pow then you hear bang/swoosh and a big cloud of smoke billows forth from the black powder guy.

I always stop and ask them questions even though I don't shoot black powder as I learn something every time. Plus it's so cool.

Hairyback Guy,

I love the pace of shooting muzzleloaders. It's slower of course and more deliberate but that adds to the enjoyment. And the folks who go for the traditional styles are enthusiastic about the hobby and enjoy talking about it.

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 08:29 PM (bmdz3)

120 And the folks who go for the traditional styles are enthusiastic about the hobby and enjoy talking about it.
Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 08:29 PM (bmdz3)

Yup....most of the guys I have met hunt with their black powder rifles and I always ask about caliber and effective range, how they clean and maintain them and what not.

Good folks from the ones I have spoken with.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 21, 2019 08:32 PM (Z+IKu)

121 If you shoot at the bulb part of a regular old (blown) lightbulb with a 22, it will just punch a little hole thru it. If you aim for the base though, it blows up with a satisfying pop.

Posted by: freaked at April 21, 2019 08:33 PM (UdKB7)

122 Never saw the original True Grit. Any good?
Is "Rooster Congburn" a sequel?
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 08:29 PM (nYGP6)

I didn't like it. Monkeyed around with the formula too much.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 21, 2019 08:33 PM (NWiLs)

123 Concur on setting powder weight throw to somewhat under 100%. Especially with hard to meter stick-shaped powder. Literally trickle the final specks. My loads have gotten better b far.

Posted by: RI Red at April 21, 2019 08:33 PM (61D7I)

124 Oh? I hate fucking monkeys.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 08:34 PM (nYGP6)

125 Thanks again, weasel, for a great gun thread. I wait all week but generally don't get to it until everyone has moved on.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at April 21, 2019 08:35 PM (RBFmA)

126 Weasel has been telling me about custom builds and it gives me a funny feeling "down there".
Posted by: RI Red at April 21, 2019 08:16 PM


Yes. This is a frequently encountered issue.

Fortunately, you're in exactly the right place to help you get and maintain that FRESH feeling.

FRESH = Firearms and Reloading Energy, Support, & Help.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 21, 2019 08:35 PM (DMUuz)

127

*** looks up ***

*** looks around ***

* goes back to town *

Posted by: fucking monkey at April 21, 2019 08:35 PM (UdKB7)

128 Ok, let's do a .45 v 9 mm thing.


Calibre is inches. MM is communist.

Dispute this.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 08:36 PM (fuK7c)

129 My Easter gift to you all! :-)

https://tinyurl.com/yxvuem2e

(They better not quit their day jobs, though I wish they would.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 08:37 PM (miE9U)

130 Ok, let's do a .45 v 9 mm thing. This is as a result of Weasel putting me some knowledge. Again. 6.5 Creedmore v. .308 Win?

Yeah, it's been an unusually slow GT so we could use a little pot stirring. A 6.5 CM is on my lust list (as is a 6.5 Grendel) but if I can't have both, I'll have the .308. NATO standard, huge availability advantage both for components and factory loads, suitable for all but the most extreme applications that the 6.5 is. Maybe (just pulling ideas out of my nethers now) better barrel life, maybe heavier bullets for larger game?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 08:37 PM (qc+VF)

131 True Git. Love it.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 21, 2019 08:38 PM (RuIsu)

132 125 Thanks again, weasel, for a great gun thread. I wait all week but generally don't get to it until everyone has moved on.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at April 21, 2019 08:35 PM (RBFmA)
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Well thank you very much, Pod Hamp. Glad to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:38 PM (9lm3U)

133 I have both the 1969 and 2010 True Grit movies on disc. They're both great.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 08:38 PM (miE9U)

134 MM is communist.
Dispute this.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 08:36 PM


Million Million is about as capitalistic as it gets, comrade.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 21, 2019 08:38 PM (DMUuz)

135 Guns! Yea!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 08:39 PM (xJa6I)

136 Is MM Michael Moore?

Fun fact about him: his initials are also his weight in Roman numerals. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 08:39 PM (miE9U)

137 MM is communist.
Dispute this.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 08:36 PM

Million Million is about as capitalistic as it gets, comrade.



MM would be thousand thousand, or one million.

millimeters are still communist.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 08:40 PM (fuK7c)

138 Ok, Bander, I will revise: .260 v. .308.
Now, Ballistic Coefficients. G1 v. G4.?
Sorry, showing off my semi knowledge. Makes me dangerous.

Posted by: RI Red at April 21, 2019 08:40 PM (61D7I)

139 Never saw the original True Grit. Any good?
Is "Rooster Congburn" a sequel?


Yes. Can't compare it to the Bridges/Damon version because I haven't seen it. Yes, and like most sequels, not as good.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 08:40 PM (qc+VF)

140 126 Weasel has been telling me about custom builds and it gives me a funny feeling "down there".
Posted by: RI Red at April 21, 2019 08:16 PM

Yes. This is a frequently encountered issue.

Fortunately, you're in exactly the right place to help you get and maintain that FRESH feeling.

FRESH = Firearms and Reloading Energy, Support, & Help.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 21, 2019 08:35 PM (DMUuz)
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Putting the first round on target at long range is a great feeling. Very satisfying. Putting a second round on top of the first is where the real fun is.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:41 PM (9lm3U)

141 True Grit sequel is better. I will stop shit stirring in 19 minutes when GoT comes on.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 08:41 PM (fuK7c)

142 Interesting thing about the 2010 True Grit... the ending is quite different, as I recall.

Spoiler below...
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I believe there was a sequel to the 1969 version, but not sure one could be made of the 2010 version.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 08:41 PM (miE9U)

143 Are you using the powder measure to the scale and then adding by speck until scale says "right there?"

I've done a lot of lab work where I'd use a spatula to weigh various things out to as far as 0.0001 grams. Spatulas were curved and you could hold them in your hand and tap the side with your index finger to add tiny amounts.

Also wondering about starting powder load to work with. Why don't they tell you what is in factory loads on the box?



Posted by: teej at April 21, 2019 08:41 PM (E9vLe)

144 Was General Sterling Price the cat in the remake? Chin Lee? Strother Martin? If not, it probably sucked.

Posted by: Eromero at April 21, 2019 08:44 PM (qBNEP)

145 143 Are you using the powder measure to the scale and then adding by speck until scale says "right there?"

I've done a lot of lab work where I'd use a spatula to weigh various things out to as far as 0.0001 grams. Spatulas were curved and you could hold them in your hand and tap the side with your index finger to add tiny amounts.

Also wondering about starting powder load to work with. Why don't they tell you what is in factory loads on the box?



Posted by: teej at April 21, 2019 08:41 PM (E9vLe)
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I use a powder measure to "dump" most of the load I want, then with the pan on a beam scale, use a powder trickler to make it exact.

For really accurate handloads, every barrel is different. Part of the science is tuning a load for your particular rifle.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:45 PM (9lm3U)

146 Range time is best time. At least for me. If I could swing it, I'd shoot every day.

Ah well. Wall o'text range report follows.

After putting 1k rounds through the SIG P320 with somewhat mixed results, I thought I'd put 1k of the same ammo through my boo, the XD9 to compare how well I shot without a red dot on a platform I know well.

I also mixed in some .22 practice with the SIG P250-22, using CCI MiniMags. Fired 200 rounds of Mini-Mags and 200 rounds of Fiocci 115gr FMJ ammo.

For ergonomics, the XD hits the sweet spot for me. It just fits me. That doesn't mean I can't fuck up a wet dream, because I can and will.

Once again, I shot fairly consistently low-left, making a 2"x2" 'beaten area' on the 10 zone border. There were the usual flyers and flinches but most of the 200 rounds went there.

Also, I got some 'XD finger' from pulling with the base of my finger instead of my full pad. So by the end of the 200 rounds, my index finger was sore, but happy.

So far, I think the SIG P320 was actually easier to shoot, all except the damn heat transfer problem. By the way, the XD9 also has a take down lever but it did NOT transfer heat from the barrel the way the SIG does. Honestly, I thought I'd be MUCH better with the XD9, instead...it's a wash or the victory goes to the SIG. More next week after another 200 rounds and after I pay more attention to my trigger finger placement.

Oh and the SIG P250-22 was shooting low (dot covering target instead of bisecting it or 6") but the groups were smaller despite a truly horrible, heavy trigger.

No malfunctions on either gun, but had to pull the trigger twice on one .22 round. It's rimfire, so not the guns's fault, I suspect.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 08:47 PM (xJa6I)

147 Gunga la Gunga
Posted by: JT at April 21, 2019 08:20 PM (QzCyC)

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So you have that going for you...

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 21, 2019 08:47 PM (EZebt)

148 Why don't they tell you what is in factory loads on the box?

Because they aren't using off the shelf powers. They are using powders developed specifically for commercial loading methods. Also, I can imagine a liability issue if somebody were to take that info and do something, uh, not smart with it. Same reason for Weasel's request up top.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 08:47 PM (qc+VF)

149 143...

I dump the dispensed charge onto the scale pan and then trickle (I use a piece of folded wax paper holding a small quantity of powder) on enough additional powder until the desired charge is achieved.

Posted by: WVinMN at April 21, 2019 08:47 PM (pV4s0)

150 If you guys are interested, I could do a thread on rifle load optimization sometime.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:48 PM (9lm3U)

151 Never saw the original True Grit. Any good?

Is "Rooster Congburn" a sequel?

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 08:29 PM (nYGP6)

Ye Gods! The original is the ONLY one worth watching! Teh Duke. You children need to..... never mind. I'm too to live.

Posted by: Grannymimi at April 21, 2019 08:49 PM (u5LFV)

152 If you guys are interested, I could do a thread on rifle load optimization sometime.

YES! It's what I've been waiting for since you started the series.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 08:50 PM (qc+VF)

153 100 ... "There is talk of scales.
There is talk of powder dispensers that measure the load.
Why both unless you're using the scales to confirm your dispenser is on target?
Personally, I will probably just weigh each load and use a funnel to go from the scales to the casing. I'm sure a dispenser speeds things up but, what's the rush?

Teej,
I think of them as belt and suspenders. The powder measure can ensure a reliable powder charge but should be checked now and then. I would rather have the scale than measure if I had to choose just one, but the combination offers flexibility. Also, taking time for careful measurement for a few rifle cartridges is one thing, loading a few hundred handgun cartridges that way would get old real fast.

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 08:51 PM (bmdz3)

154 106 > Still looking for a good D-Day book.
Posted by: josephistan

Beevor's book "D-Day" is solid.
Posted by: ArthurK at April 21, 2019 08:22 PM (TlftJ)

As a narrative, 'The Longest Day' by Ryan is gold

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 08:51 PM (xJa6I)

155 152 If you guys are interested, I could do a thread on rifle load optimization sometime.

YES! It's what I've been waiting for since you started the series.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 08:50 PM (qc+VF)
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I hadn't planned to get to it right away when I started the series, thinking I'd just keep it simple with straight-walled handgun cartridges for now. Shoot me an email, BtB. Email in nic.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:52 PM (9lm3U)

156 Ok, let's do a .45 v 9 mm thing. This is as a result of Weasel putting me some knowledge. Again. 6.5 Creedmore v. .308 Win?

Depends on use case.

For CQB the M1A chambered in 7.62/.308. For shooting steel, .308 since the ammo is cheap.

The 6.5CM is better compared to the longer .300 Win Mag in use case. 6.5CM is usually loaded for precision work and in that case .308 just can't compare because it loses so much energy beyond 150 meters and the BC for the 6.5CM is such where cross winds have about 40% less effect than the .308

For war, I want the .308. For hunting game or precision work, the 6.5CM hands down. The .308 is in a weird place now. The .300BLK is better for CQB and the 6.5CM eats away at the benefit at the longer end. So if I were to start over I wouldn't do .308 at all.

If I were to do a Run & Gun and not use the 5.56, the 6.5CM seems to be the go-to.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 08:53 PM (lD3vL)

157 *raises hand*


I'm going away in nine minutes for a teevee show, but I want to plant an idea for a future thread.

How and why to carry and what situations to prepare for. (F'rinstance, how far away do you want to be able to hit someone at, what length barrel would that take?).

I had a situation this week where I wasn't carrying and it diffused fast enough but it could have come to that and then what are the consequences to drawing -- brandishing -- and where do you draw lines.

And stuff.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 08:53 PM (fuK7c)

158 @145 - Thanks Weasel. Said the same thing I did but a lot better.

And I knew about the 2nd part.
The reason I asked about the factory powder amount is the case I bought and use is pretty darn good already. And that's before the muzzle brake, bedding and trigger job.
Still haven't had it out since that was done. For that, well it's a timing thing between two busy guys and the weather/wind.
And since it's always windy in Kansas...

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2019 08:54 PM (E9vLe)

159 If you guys are interested, I could do a thread on rifle load optimization sometime.

YES! It's what I've been waiting for since you started the series.


Seconded !! And drag it out over weeks.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 08:55 PM (lD3vL)

160 157 *raises hand*


I'm going away in nine minutes for a teevee show, but I want to plant an idea for a future thread.

How and why to carry and what situations to prepare for. (F'rinstance, how far away do you want to be able to hit someone at, what length barrel would that take?).

I had a situation this week where I wasn't carrying and it diffused fast enough but it could have come to that and then what are the consequences to drawing -- brandishing -- and where do you draw lines.

And stuff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 08:53 PM (fuK7c)

Seconded.

I have thoughts

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 08:57 PM (xJa6I)

161
The YoiuTube channel host "Lucky Gunner Ammo" interviews two experts from Federal Ammunition (CCI/Speer/...) about terminal ballistic effects:

"Why Ballistics Gel Works and Caliber Arguments are Dumb"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6kUvi72s0Y

The importance of this relates directly to selection of handgun caliber and ammunition load (and therefore, reloading). THey even touch on loads. The wrap-up comments, starting at 10:15, then at 10:27, and finally at 11:09 are interesting.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 21, 2019 08:58 PM (FlRtG)

162
YES! It's what I've been waiting for since you started the series.

Seconded !! And drag it out over weeks.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 08:55 PM (lD3vL)
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Ha! OK!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:58 PM (9lm3U)

163 161
The YoiuTube channel host "Lucky Gunner Ammo" interviews two experts from Federal Ammunition (CCI/Speer/...) about terminal ballistic effects:

"Why Ballistics Gel Works and Caliber Arguments are Dumb"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6kUvi72s0Y

The importance of this relates directly to selection of handgun caliber and ammunition load (and therefore, reloading). THey even touch on loads. The wrap-up comments, starting at 10:15, then at 10:27, and finally at 11:09 are interesting.
Posted by: Arbalest at April 21, 2019 08:58 PM (FlRtG)

The Lucky Gunner guy pisses me off sometimes but this is a good video.

Pistols are not rifles.

Reliability over all others

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 08:59 PM (xJa6I)

164 I had a situation this week where I wasn't carrying and it diffused fast enough but it could have come to that and then what are the consequences to drawing -- brandishing -- and where do you draw lines.

A while back some character was wandering the neighborhood stopping at every window car and home, peaking in. So I went outside with a nickle polished Desert Eagle chambered in .50AE.

Yes, I brandished at very close range, and quietly said "This is not a safe neighborhood."

There was urine running down both pant legs. Never saw the visitor again.

The moral of the story: really large barrels are the analog of the 1000 word picture.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 08:59 PM (lD3vL)

165 I hadn't planned to get to it right away when I started the series, thinking I'd just keep it simple with straight-walled handgun cartridges for now. Shoot me an email, BtB. Email in nic.

You may not recall, but we did talk a few months ago. Some unplanned $$ issues and other time demands have prevented me from implementing your advice so far but now that nice weather is here, I'm trying to get it back on the to-do list. Thank you again for that advice and for doing the weekly thread.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 08:59 PM (qc+VF)

166 I had a situation this week where I wasn't carrying and it diffused fast enough but it could have come to that and then what are the consequences to drawing -- brandishing -- and where do you draw lines.

And stuff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 08:53 PM (fuK7c)

Seconded.

I have thoughts
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 08:57 PM (xJa6I)

Before you pick up a gun, the first thing you have to decide is CAN you take a life.

If you cannot, its just a threat.

And if you will not be good with the mental aftermath, don't carry.


I've seen that decision DESTROY people who were not really prepared of it.

Posted by: Don Q at April 21, 2019 09:01 PM (NgKpN)

167 Weasel,
As always, thanks for the gun thread. I learn stuff, I can sometimes contribute to the group, and it makes me think about how I shoot and reload beyond 30+ years of habits.

Happy Easter and get in some shooting time while down at WeaselAcres.

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 09:03 PM (bmdz3)

168 166 I had a situation this week where I wasn't carrying and it diffused fast enough but it could have come to that and then what are the consequences to drawing -- brandishing -- and where do you draw lines.

And stuff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 08:53 PM (fuK7c)

Seconded.

I have thoughts
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 08:57 PM (xJa6I)

Before you pick up a gun, the first thing you have to decide is CAN you take a life.

If you cannot, its just a threat.

And if you will not be good with the mental aftermath, don't carry.


I've seen that decision DESTROY people who were not really prepared of it.
Posted by: Don Q at April 21, 2019 09:01 PM (NgKpN)

Yup. That's why I don't suggest everyone carry.
It's a responsibility, it isn't for funsies.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 09:03 PM (xJa6I)

169
Watch this short clip and think about how and if you'd use a gun in this situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyeY-NWuSPQ

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 09:04 PM (nYGP6)

170 Slightly O.T., but might y'all recommend a brand or three for affordable "utility grade" rifle barrels?

I'm talking about stuff for a "truck gun" type bolt-action build. Not for precision rifle stuff.

3 MOA potential would be fine, with a maximum "expected mission" brief of about 200 yards.

Ain't gotta be great, just gotta work "good 'nuff".



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 21, 2019 09:04 PM (0Kh3z)

171 Thanks Bob and JTB for the replies on powder and loading up a bunch of rounds.

To be honest, I've never really shot a lot. Make sure scopes are still on before hunting season, that's 3 rounds each through the 7mm and 10/22, because they're always still on and a case of blue rock with a couple of buds before bird season as a tune up.

I only shoot at "locks" while hunting, well, okay, I'm generally about 3 outta five on doves but other than that...

Main reason for wanting to reload is in case the unthinkable happens.

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2019 09:04 PM (E9vLe)

172 170 Slightly O.T., but might y'all recommend a brand or three for affordable "utility grade" rifle barrels?

I'm talking about stuff for a "truck gun" type bolt-action build. Not for precision rifle stuff.

3 MOA potential would be fine, with a maximum "expected mission" brief of about 200 yards.

Ain't gotta be great, just gotta work "good 'nuff".



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 21, 2019 09:04 PM (0Kh3z)

Jim, what platform do you have in mind? AR or a bolt action?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 09:05 PM (xJa6I)

173 I had a situation this week where I wasn't carrying and it diffused fast enough but it could have come to that and then what are the consequences to drawing -- brandishing -- and where do you draw lines.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 08:53 PM (fuK7c)


Start with Andrew Branca's "The Law of Self Defense".

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 21, 2019 09:05 PM (t+qrx)

174 When it was fixed, UPS dropped it off. You don't have a gun that was already in your possession shipped to an FFL. That's for when you first get it from the dealer - the FFL has transfer paperwork to fill out. There's not transfer when you get a gun fixed

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late, and i could be wrong, but ISTR that here in Failifornia, the MFG has to ship back to an FFL, because we're stupid here.

Browning has said yes AND no with our Superposed they're w*rking on, but, since it was made in 1970, and it won't be done for a year, it can come to me directly.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 09:05 PM (ER1jH)

175 Slightly O.T., but might y'all recommend a brand or three for affordable "utility grade" rifle barrels?

I've had good luck with Green Mountain for a 10/22 build. Not a Shilen or Lilja by any means but a fraction of the $$.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 09:08 PM (qc+VF)

176 For measuring powder, I started with the Lee discs for their progressive loaders that have incrementally larger voids to meter out powder.

And I was happy.

For rifle I used scoops. And was happy with that too.

Then I went upscale and got a powered measure that trickled out powder to a receptacle on a beam. I hated it because it took an eternity for the balance to settle, and the hassle of transferring the powder to the case and repositioning the container tested my patience.

So I got a couple different other meters and finally settled on the digital RCBS Chargemaster 1500.

It takes time, but the sound of the motors, the trickle and the distinctive beep when ready are now an integral part of loading anything more than pistol.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:10 PM (lD3vL)

177 And Weasel, allow me to add my mucho thanks for the time you put into this thread and willingness to pass along knowledge that didn't come to you for free.

You have a true, teacher's heart.
That, coming from me, is high praise.
Replace the English word teacher with the Japanese for a clearer picture.

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2019 09:11 PM (E9vLe)

178 You may not recall, but we did talk a few months ago. Some unplanned $$ issues and other time demands have prevented me from implementing your advice so far but now that nice weather is here, I'm trying to get it back on the to-do list. Thank you again for that advice and for doing the weekly thread.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 08:59 PM (qc+VF)
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I remember! Just let me know if you have questions until I can cover the topic here.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:11 PM (9lm3U)

179 74 Weasel, If I can find it, I'll send a link to a homemade item for beam scales. It's a platform that raises the scale to an easily seen height, can be leveled at four points and has room to use a powder trickler. Hope I can find it again.

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 07:57 PM (bmdz3)


I built something like that, just a hunk of 1x4, cut into three pieces and glued & screwed into an upside down U shape. My version doesn't have leveling adjustments.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:11 PM (bjCNA)

180 Start with Andrew Branca's "The Law of Self Defense".


I'm familiar with that, need to memorize my state. But I mean more the practical stuff like which contingencies do you prep for and why and how.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 09:11 PM (fuK7c)

181 I'm talking about stuff for a "truck gun" type bolt-action build. Not for precision rifle stuff.

SKS for the Win. CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP. And you won't mind if it rusts or gets stolen.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:12 PM (lD3vL)

182

... and then there's this guy:

The Best Self Defense Weapon Ever | One Tool to Rule Them All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biZ4J-tPow4

He recommends a high-intensity flashlight, one about the size of the Harbor Freight $1.99 (but free! with coupon) red or blue flashlight, but with 500+ lumens.

He demonstrates (maybe convincingly) carrying it (it's bright, enough to trash the night vision of several fools), then putting it on his keychain shortly before being searched. This might work, as the thing really does look innocent enough.

Shining a flashlight in someone's eyes (or 3+ someomes), just as they start getting close, seems easy enough. Then execute Plan B. Eau d'Pepper Spray seems called-for, with an incoming order of .380 Auto or better, as an after-thought.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 21, 2019 09:12 PM (FlRtG)

183 Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 09:03 PM (bmdz3)
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Thank you, JTB. Always appreciate your contributions here.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:12 PM (9lm3U)

184 In response to Bandersnatch.

Much of what you inquire of is legalities. Your local CCW instructors will be the "go to" source for what's what in your jurisdiction.

As for the rest? I'm echoing the others, but in a much more direct form.

If you're going to carry with serious intent, first, find your inner sociopath, get on speaking terms with the bastard, and keep 'im under VERY tight rein.

You've got to have a bit of that "available" to remain cool, calm and focused, when those traits are everything to your survival.

But then, you've also got to learn to "compartmentalize" to the maximum degree possible.

What happens in or during a shoot, does not and can not define "you". That compartmentalization is what allows you to deal with it and treat it as a unique aspect to "you", and your life as a whole.

I concur with the previous commenters. Best not to carry if one cannot bear the weight of one's actions.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 21, 2019 09:12 PM (0Kh3z)

185 77
Thanks, JTB. Check out the Omega powder trickler when you have time. It's battery operated with an adjustable stand and does a great job once you become proficient using it.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:01 PM (9lm3U)


I've been thinking about trying to homebrew something like that. I've collected all the parts, I just need to build it.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:15 PM (bjCNA)

186 177 And Weasel, allow me to add my mucho thanks for the time you put into this thread and willingness to pass along knowledge that didn't come to you for free.

You have a true, teacher's heart.
That, coming from me, is high praise.
Replace the English word teacher with the Japanese for a clearer picture.
Posted by: teej at April 21, 2019 09:11 PM (E9vLe)
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Thank you teej. I appreciate that!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:16 PM (9lm3U)

187 182

... and then there's this guy:

The Best Self Defense Weapon Ever | One Tool to Rule Them All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biZ4J-tPow4

He recommends a high-intensity flashlight, one about the size of the Harbor Freight $1.99 (but free! with coupon) red or blue flashlight, but with 500+ lumens.

He demonstrates (maybe convincingly) carrying it (it's bright, enough to trash the night vision of several fools), then putting it on his keychain shortly before being searched. This might work, as the thing really does look innocent enough.

Shining a flashlight in someone's eyes (or 3+ someomes), just as they start getting close, seems easy enough. Then execute Plan B. Eau d'Pepper Spray seems called-for, with an incoming order of .380 Auto or better, as an after-thought.
Posted by: Arbalest at April 21, 2019 09:12 PM (FlRtG)

Never carry something that will just piss someone off.

A light and pepper spray are tools supporting firearms. They MIGHT deter someone but it also can flip their switch and both are pretty useless against someone really flipped out on chemicals.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 09:17 PM (xJa6I)

188 3 MOA potential would be fine, with a maximum "expected mission" brief of about 200 yards.

Ain't gotta be great, just gotta work "good 'nuff".

357 lever gun match your wheel gun

Posted by: Jean at April 21, 2019 09:18 PM (ckFlT)

189 That's why I'm in favor of escalation of force as needed.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 21, 2019 09:20 PM (2DOZq)

190 While I truly appreciate all the other suggestions as to alternate firearm platforms for the "truck gun", my query was directly to barrels for a bolt-action. Centerfire, to be more exact.

The other platforms are highly credible, but my quest has a purpose.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 21, 2019 09:20 PM (0Kh3z)

191 Thanks for the post and thanks to the Morons. A 308 AR platform just zoomed to the top of my wish list.

Posted by: stonecutter at April 21, 2019 09:21 PM (Bfr22)

192 If you're going to carry with serious intent, first, find your inner sociopath, get on speaking terms with the bastard, and keep 'im under VERY tight rein.

Can't improve on what Jim is saying.

But if you want to have a quicker and more thorough conversation with that inner socipath, I strongly recommend budgeting and making good use of joining a boxing club with a high percentage of Mexicans (who don't play by the rules), or getting at least a yellow belt in Krav Maga.

Boxing will make you comfortable with that conversation, and the other sociopaths that you will run across. Krav Maga will get you over the social inhibition that keeps you from beating someone up and breaking their knees.

The side benefits are improved health, unarmed skills and a massive increase of self-confidence and ability to stand your ground.

You will know who you are.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:21 PM (lD3vL)

193 116 Powder dispensers are fine until you try to use one with stick-shaped powder. If I'm reloading with a powder such as IMR-4198, I set the dispenser to throw a charge several grains under the desired weight, and then subsequently place the charge on a scale and add the remaining grains using a powder trickler.

Posted by: WVinMN at April 21, 2019 08:29 PM (pV4s0)


That's my experience with stick powders as well. I'm using a Lee powder measure and stick powder loads vary +/- 1 or 2 grains. I set it a couple of grains light and trickle the rest. It does much better with ball powders like Win 748.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:22 PM (bjCNA)

194 Jim, what platform do you have in mind? AR or a bolt action?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 09:05 PM (xJa6I)
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likely a low number Springfield he got for his birfday last year.

ask me how i know.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 09:23 PM (ER1jH)

195 185 77
Thanks, JTB. Check out the Omega powder trickler when you have time. It's battery operated with an adjustable stand and does a great job once you become proficient using it.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:01 PM (9lm3U)

I've been thinking about trying to homebrew something like that. I've collected all the parts, I just need to build it.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:15 PM (bjCNA)
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I've forgotten what they cost ($100?) but they really do work well!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:23 PM (9lm3U)

196 190 While I truly appreciate all the other suggestions as to alternate firearm platforms for the "truck gun", my query was directly to barrels for a bolt-action. Centerfire, to be more exact.

The other platforms are highly credible, but my quest has a purpose.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 21, 2019 09:20 PM (0Kh3z)

Sorry sir, I don't know a good source for bolt action rifle barrels. I think Savage and Ruger is who I'd go with for a bolt action truck gun, but those are for complete rifles, not the barrel alone.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 09:24 PM (xJa6I)

197 Thanks for the post and thanks to the Morons. A 308 AR platform just zoomed to the top of my wish list.

You do realize that those are HEAVY. I have an AR-10T and I would not go to war with that. Ounces are Pounds, and Pounds is Pain.

If you want something sick in a small, light and accurate package, look at Desertech MDR.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:24 PM (lD3vL)

198 First of all, ThanX! for the gub thread, Weasel. Lot's of knowledge and info. I 'specially like the fact that you've archived this. Gracias!

Next, I'm late, 'cause the kids brought over the newest hatchling and I was grandpa-ing, so I hope I don't miss too much

This is me in the last thread and Agitator answered here. ThanX! "6 I built an AR-15 in 6.5 Grendel last week. I'm boresighting it and will zero it tomorrow.

McGyver, out

I've done three AR's in 6.5 Grendel. A 16" carbine and 20" rifle for me and a 18" rifle for grandson. Seems to be a good caliber and the AR is a perfect platform for it.
Posted by: Agitator at April 21, 2019 07:11 PM (m9DnX)"

I've built it with a Sanders side charging upper with 24 in barrel. Ima play with it this week and maybe put up a pic in the nic if I can make dropbox work.

McGyver, Out

Posted by: McGyver at April 21, 2019 09:24 PM (gMngZ)

199
Ye Gods! The original is the ONLY one worth watching! Teh Duke. You children need to..... never mind. I'm too to live.
Posted by: Grannymimi
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"Fill your hands, Ned Pepper...."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 21, 2019 09:24 PM (CDGwz)

200 ...Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:21 PM (lD3vL)


Absolute truth ^^^


Alternate version. Grow up with similar adversity as a matter of life and course, and have it ingrained into your very being.

Less spendy than the dojo, but takes a lot longer with many more mistakes along the way.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 21, 2019 09:25 PM (0Kh3z)

201 150 If you guys are interested, I could do a thread on rifle load optimization sometime.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 08:48 PM (9lm3U)


YES!!! Please.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:25 PM (bjCNA)

202 It does much better with ball powders like Win 748.

Amen.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:25 PM (lD3vL)

203 194 Jim, what platform do you have in mind? AR or a bolt action?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 09:05 PM (xJa6I)
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likely a low number Springfield he got for his birfday last year.

ask me how i know.
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 09:23 PM (ER1jH)

Ah? In that case, I'm envious.

Google says Criterion makes 1903 barrels that go for around $200.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 21, 2019 09:26 PM (xJa6I)

204 You do realize that those are HEAVY. I have an AR-10T and I would not go to war with that. Ounces are Pounds, and Pounds is Pain.

If you want something sick in a small, light and accurate package, look at Desertech MDR.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
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So, you never carried a Garand, or a M-14?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 21, 2019 09:26 PM (CDGwz)

205 gotta go start the charcoal for dinner... it's a w*rk night for herself.

me? i have a 1300 at the Left LA VA, to see about nasal surgery so i can breathe in the daytime.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 09:27 PM (ER1jH)

206 Oh, a note to Bandersnatch - close call early this week! I really recommend getting in touch with Andrew Branca. He comments here sometimes. Law of Self Defense. Worth every penny. And DON"T turn down a chance to attend one of his seminars

McGyver, Out

Posted by: McGyver at April 21, 2019 09:27 PM (gMngZ)

207 Anybody else here like to use old light bulbs for targets? Also, punching holes in old drives is fun, just be a long ways away.
Posted by: freaked at April 21, 2019 08:27 PM (UdKB7)

Take 'em apart, and save the magnets from the head sweeper. They are rare earth magnets, and super strong. Useful for lots of stuff. You could screw one under the bed, and hang a pistol on it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 21, 2019 09:28 PM (TfwlC)

208 Posted by: Don Q at April 21, 2019 09:01 PM (NgKpN)

I'm confident I would be okay with ending a threat to me or mine, at the same time I realize that confidence may be based on ignorance and don't know how to be sure which it is.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 21, 2019 09:28 PM (eljor)

209
Posted by: McGyver at April 21, 2019 09:24 PM (gMngZ)
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Absolutely my pleasure, MGyver!

One day when there's not much going on at work I'll add descriptions to the archive.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:28 PM (9lm3U)

210 Ok, time to watch GOT. That would be "Guns of Today".
Thx, Weasel, and all others.

Posted by: RI Red at April 21, 2019 09:28 PM (61D7I)

211
I just watched the scene in True Grit when Cogburn kills the guy who just stabbed his friend. The scenes in both the original and new versions are similar enough to compare.

The original is better.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 09:28 PM (nYGP6)

212 The other platforms are highly credible, but my quest has a purpose.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 21, 2019 09:20 PM (0Kh3z)

Pick up an old Chinese Type 53 Carbine.

Even comes with a bayonet attached.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 21, 2019 09:28 PM (Z+IKu)

213 204 You do realize that those are HEAVY. I have an AR-10T and I would not go to war with that. Ounces are Pounds, and Pounds is Pain.

If you want something sick in a small, light and accurate package, look at Desertech MDR.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
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try humping a Pig all day...

loads of fun, even w/o a ruck.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 09:29 PM (ER1jH)

214 Red....some heavy cocaine use ought open up those sinus passages, dontchathink?


/snrk



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 21, 2019 09:29 PM (0Kh3z)

215 I fired my new Henry .410 lever action for the first time last week. I like it.

Posted by: Ronster at April 21, 2019 09:30 PM (eRnj9)

216
Posted by: McGyver at April 21, 2019 09:24 PM (gMngZ)
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I had a M1917 rebarreled by the CMP with a Criterion and they did a great job. They were very accommodating to my special requests regarding chambering which was a pleasant surprise.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:30 PM (9lm3U)

217 PS: the original True Grit starred John Wayne and Audrey Hepburn. as well as Glenn Campbell.

the new one didn't.

i can't understand why there would even be a question as to which one was better.

now, get off my lawn.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 09:30 PM (ER1jH)

218 'Night RI Red!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:31 PM (9lm3U)

219 Flashlights, you can never have enough. Stash them in cars, cabinets, bedside tables, etc. I carry one every day because I have to see stuff in dark spaces even in daylight. And yes if they are bright enough, you can make a person unable to see for a small critical bit of time. If you don't have a folding knife and a light plus your carry piece you ain't armed.

Posted by: Eromero at April 21, 2019 09:33 PM (qBNEP)

220 Take 'em apart, and save the magnets from the head sweeper. They are rare earth magnets, and super strong. Useful for lots of stuff. You could screw one under the bed, and hang a pistol on it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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A few weeks back, I disassembled a blown-up (figuratively) microwave oven. The magnets around the magnetron are very strong, and largish, perhaps 3" in diameter.

Also, if you have an electric toothbrush, the magnets in the base of the disposable brush are rare-earth, and ought to be saved. Ideal, if a bit strong, for refrigerator door duty. Always have something underneath them, or you will play the dickens getting them off.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 21, 2019 09:33 PM (CDGwz)

221
Hepburn was in Rooster Cogburn. Katherine Hepburn, no?


Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 09:33 PM (nYGP6)

222 Next week when you talk about components it should be very short. Norma or Lapua brass. Berger VLDs or Seirra Matchkings. Powder brand is almost irrelevant . That is all. Carry on.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at April 21, 2019 09:33 PM (UOhmx)

223 PS: the original True Grit starred John Wayne and Audrey Hepburn. as well as Glenn Campbell.
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Annnnnd, there's the problem.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 21, 2019 09:34 PM (CDGwz)

224 my bad: Katherine Hepburn was in Rooster Cogburn...

no idea where Audrey came from,, except my Halfzhimers.

and why are you still on my lawn?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 09:35 PM (ER1jH)

225 So, before today has anyone ever heard the term "Easter worshipper?" Some folks have a hard time saying Christian.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 21, 2019 09:35 PM (gC2IV)

226 Take 'em [hard disk drives] apart, and save the magnets from the head sweeper. They are rare earth magnets, and super strong. Useful for lots of stuff. You could screw one under the bed, and hang a pistol on it.

Now THIS is the kind of sage advice only available in the GT in AoSHQ.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:35 PM (lD3vL)

227
187

Never carry something that will just piss someone off.

I live not-sufficiently-far from San Francisco. A .32 or under; yes, clearly you're correct. Flashlight, maybe pepper spray, maybe a cane ... all better than nothing, all have a chance to work (and work well enough in most cases), and all are very DA-resistant, at least much more so than a .40.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 21, 2019 09:36 PM (FlRtG)

228 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at April 21, 2019 09:33 PM (UOhmx)
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I knew you were a man of refinement and good taste! Lapua brass and matchkings. Absolutely.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:36 PM (9lm3U)

229 Made it to the range yesterday and shot a couple of pistols. Last fall I reloaded enough to fill all the ammo boxes I have, and I didn't shoot a lot over the winter, so I haven't done any reloading for a couple of months.
I now have enough empty brass (and ammo boxes) to make it worthwhile to start up again. First up is a few hundred rounds of 9mm, then some 38 Special. That should keep me entertained for a week or so.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:36 PM (bjCNA)

230
Annnnnd, there's the problem.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 21, 2019 09:34 PM (CDGwz)
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why? he was part of the Wrecking Crew...

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 09:36 PM (ER1jH)

231 Shaw is the commodity barrel shop

Posted by: Jean at April 21, 2019 09:37 PM (ckFlT)

232 Next week when you talk about components it should be very short. Norma or Lapua brass.

Starline brass when you just want to keep it inexpensive.

I would like to know, other than cosmetic the use of nickle vs brass for cartridge material.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:37 PM (lD3vL)

233 No Audrey in the 1969 True Grit.

John Wayne, Kim Darby, Glen Campbell.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:37 PM (miE9U)

234 225 So, before today has anyone ever heard the term "Easter worshipper?" Some folks have a hard time saying Christian.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 21, 2019 09:35 PM (gC2IV)


Does that refer to someone who only goes to church on Easter (and maybe Christmas)?

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:38 PM (bjCNA)

235
Is Kim Darby mort?

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 09:38 PM (nYGP6)

236 So, before today has anyone ever heard the term "Easter worshipper?" Some folks have a hard time saying Christian.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

In Indonesia

Posted by: Jean at April 21, 2019 09:38 PM (ckFlT)

237 Jesus. Next week CBD will be pounding his Glock [/] unspiel like it owes him a orchestral rendition of Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen.

Posted by: Fritz at April 21, 2019 09:38 PM (LuPts)

238 Sooth, I believe Kim Darby is still around, but no longer acting. Also I believe she's VERY eccentric.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:39 PM (miE9U)

239 Shaw Barrels. Noted, and thanks!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 21, 2019 09:39 PM (0Kh3z)

240 yikes ha!

Posted by: Fritz at April 21, 2019 09:39 PM (LuPts)

241 Fritz teases the barrel, and it wasn't made by Shaw.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 21, 2019 09:39 PM (CDGwz)

242 I guess Kim Darby is still acting. She just doesn't work a ton.

Her last role, per IMDB, was in 2017.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:39 PM (miE9U)

243 I've built it with a Sanders side charging upper...

Ah ha! This is "relevant to my interests" to quote a famous Moron. I want to use a side charger with a right-side reciprocating handle a la M1/M14. But the only one I've found has been Bear Creek and, per comments on reddit, their quality is kind of iffy. Is the Sanders still available? I tried to look on their website but it's horrible, at least on a phone-size device.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 09:40 PM (qc+VF)

244 I would like to know, other than cosmetic the use of nickle vs brass for cartridge material.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:37 PM (lD3vL)
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When I sort brass I separate out the nickel. I don't use it but can't bear to throw it out.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:40 PM (9lm3U)

245 Kate Hepburn was in the sequel, Rooster Cogburn.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 21, 2019 09:40 PM (fuK7c)

246 Per IMDB, Kim Darby was on the X-Files in 2000.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:40 PM (miE9U)

247
You want Kim Novak.
You'll settle for Kim Darby.

You'll get Kim Catrell.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 09:41 PM (nYGP6)

248 I'm one of the few who like Glenn Campbell version a lot more than the Matt Damon version and it has nothing to do with politics. It was over acting by Damon that took me out of his character IMHO. I like him in other stuff just not True Grit.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 21, 2019 09:41 PM (2DOZq)

249 Campbell and Darby should have at least gotten cameos in the Coens' True Grit IMHO. Wonder why they didn't.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:42 PM (miE9U)

250 When I sort brass I separate out the nickel. I don't use it but can't bear to throw it out.
Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:40 PM (9lm3U)

Is the "nickel" actually nickel, or is it some kind of white brass? There are many types of brass, and not all are golden in color.

Pure nickel should be magnetic, I think.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 21, 2019 09:43 PM (TfwlC)

251 More people, I think, were put off by Kim Darby than by Campbell. I would watch either version again.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 21, 2019 09:43 PM (xSo9G)

252 When I sort brass I separate out the nickel. I don't use it but can't bear to throw it out.

.50AE, 10mm, .357 and 300 WinMag I keep in nickle because it looks nice. Cases don't seem to last as long though.

It would be nice to be able to rationalize the more expensive material.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:44 PM (lD3vL)

253 Bad math: the 4" pvc I suggested earlier will not accommodate 5, 1" conduit pieces.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 21, 2019 09:44 PM (CFSlN)

254
Or you'll get Clem Kadiddlehopper.


Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 09:45 PM (nYGP6)

255 Before the ONT comes along I just want to thank you all for stopping by and making me feel smart! It's also nice to see the new nics popping up. You all make this worth the effort each week. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:45 PM (9lm3U)

256 I've looked at Lowes and Hm Dpt and they want too much money for their 6" pvc. ..._thinking

Posted by: Braenyard at April 21, 2019 09:45 PM (CFSlN)

257 A couple of reloading tips :

1) Keep records of everything you do. Date loaded, bullet type and weight, powder type and weight, case type, primer type, seated length, etc. I have a pile of notebooks going back more that 30 years with pretty much everything I've ever loaded.

2) Keep your scale clean. If dust collects in the bearings you will not get accurate and repeatable measurements. I keep mine covered when not in use and blow the bearings out regularly.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:46 PM (bjCNA)

258 humping a Pig all day...

loads of fun, even w/o a ruck.
Posted by: redc1c4

You'll get the mortar base plate if you keep bitching

Posted by: Jean at April 21, 2019 09:46 PM (ckFlT)

259 Well only because I can get both for nothing. And as I always say I would rather have bad taste than taste bad.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at April 21, 2019 09:46 PM (UOhmx)

260 And thank you for being here.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 21, 2019 09:46 PM (CFSlN)

261 Sooth, Clem Kadiddlehopper is one of the names (along with 'bumblefuck') Jeff Wells likes to give to midwestern Trump supporters, at his blog.

I'm very tempted to go over there and see how apeshit they've become over the news of the past couple weeks, but overall have decided I don't have time for their hateful bullshit anymore.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:46 PM (miE9U)

262 190 While I truly appreciate all the other suggestions as to alternate firearm platforms for the "truck gun", my query was directly to barrels for a bolt-action. Centerfire, to be more exact.

The other platforms are highly credible, but my quest has a purpose.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 21, 2019 09:20 PM (0Kh3z)


Is buying a take-off barrel from someone something that would work?

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 21, 2019 09:47 PM (di1hb)

263 9lm3U)

Is the "nickel" actually nickel, or is it some kind of white brass? There are many types of brass, and not all are golden in color.

Pure nickel should be magnetic, I think.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 21, 2019 09:43 PM (TfwlC)
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You know, I read an article on that once and I'll try and dig it up for a future thread. As I recall, the nickel is more brittle.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:47 PM (9lm3U)

264
No idea who jeff wells is. He sounds like a punk.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 09:47 PM (nYGP6)

265 247
You want Kim Novak.
You'll settle for Kim Darby.

You'll get Kim Catrell.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 09:41 PM (nYGP6)


I'd take a Porkies-era Kim Cattrall.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:48 PM (bjCNA)

266 Sooth, look up Hollywood Elsewhere. Entertainment blog.

Warning: tons of hate for anyone even remotely conservative there. I finally gave up reading him.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:48 PM (miE9U)

267 249 Campbell and Darby should have at least gotten cameos in the Coens' True Grit IMHO. Wonder why they didn't.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:42 PM (miE9U)


Wasn't Campbell dead then?

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:49 PM (bjCNA)

268 Iowa, Campbell died last year.
The Coens' True Grit came out in 2010.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:49 PM (miE9U)

269 My barrel has a 1 : 11 twist and has overtones of that surprisingly delicate.

Abounding, yet fine. Her sublime mouthfeel carries, masterfully: red fruit, raisins, an edge of white grape and a very floral honey

Posted by: Fritz at April 21, 2019 09:49 PM (LuPts)

270
steve, I recommend The Critical Drinker on Youtube for thoughts on movies and tv.

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 09:50 PM (nYGP6)

271 Weasel, I just learned that the Omega Powder Trickler has been discontinued, at least according to Midwayusa. Bummer!

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 09:50 PM (bmdz3)

272 Sooth, thanks!
I need a new entertainment blog. I can't read Breitbart anymore because IMHO they're far more about clickbait and 'firing up the base' more than actual entertainment news.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:51 PM (miE9U)

273 [i/250
Is the "nickel" actually nickel, or is it some kind of white brass? There are many types of brass, and not all are golden in color.

Pure nickel should be magnetic, I think.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 21, 2019 09:43 PM (TfwlC)

Pretty sure it's nickle plating on top of brass. After a few reloads the plating starts to wear off and the brass shows through. Probably not thick enough to be strongly attracted to a magnet.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:51 PM (bjCNA)

274
271 Weasel, I just learned that the Omega Powder Trickler has been discontinued, at least according to Midwayusa. Bummer!
Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 09:50 PM (bmdz3)
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Really? Well that sucks. I bought an extra way back just in case mine stopped working. Is the Omega website still up?

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:51 PM (9lm3U)

275 Good range day with the Garand and SP1, prone and standing. Not so hot with pistols, standing and shoot-and-move. Got way out of shape this winter.

Posted by: gp at April 21, 2019 09:51 PM (mk9aG)

276 try humping a Pig all day... loads of fun, even w/o a ruck.

Just because it looked cool, I went and profaned a Springfield SOCOM II by replacing its stock with a Juggernaut aluminum bullpup frame. The original package was heavy with a questionable trigger, but while the new package certainly reduces the overall size by a considerable amount, it feels like humping a lead block with all kinds of sharp pointy parts to get stabbed with when moving about on sling.

Because I have been told that the AR-15 platform make me an evil person, and I don't want to go to Hell because of the looks of a duty rifle, I will try anything else (M1A), the Desertech MDR and the Tavor X95 just so I don't get tagged with shame.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:52 PM (lD3vL)

277 268 Iowa, Campbell died last year.
The Coens' True Grit came out in 2010.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:49 PM (miE9U)


Ah, OK. I knew he was dead, just didn't remember when he croaked, or when the new True Grit came out.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:52 PM (bjCNA)

278 268 Iowa, Campbell died last year.
The Coens' True Grit came out in 2010.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:49 PM (miE9U)


I think I remember reading that Campbell suffered from Alzheimer's before he died.

Posted by: rickl at April 21, 2019 09:53 PM (sdi6R)

279 Actually Campbell died on my birthday in 2017.

But, still seven years after the Coens' True Grit came out.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 21, 2019 09:53 PM (miE9U)

280 250 When I sort brass I separate out the nickel. I don't use it but can't bear to throw it out.
Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:40 PM (9lm3U)

Is the "nickel" actually nickel, or is it some kind of white brass? There are many types of brass, and not all are golden in color.

Pure nickel should be magnetic, I think.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 21, 2019 09:43 PM (TfwlC)


Nickle plated brass. It's plated as an anti-corrosion measure.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 21, 2019 09:54 PM (di1hb)

281 the Omega Powder Trickler has been discontinued

It looks like something Rube Goldberg would have designed.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:54 PM (lD3vL)

282 It looks like Dandy Products, LLC is selling them or something very similar. Same general design.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:54 PM (9lm3U)

283 Found a bunch of 223 casings only 10 yards from the berm. I guess some guys have to get really really close to hit anything with a rifle. Meanwhile, most pistol casings were back at the 50 yard line. Go figure.

Posted by: gp at April 21, 2019 09:54 PM (mk9aG)

284 The Omega trickler website is still up and lists it for $104. Looks like Midwayusa messed something up. Or maybe they aren't selling through other vendors anymore.

Posted by: JTB at April 21, 2019 09:55 PM (bmdz3)

285 Nickle plated brass. It's plated as an anti-corrosion measure.

Thanks. Now I can rationalize its use other than easier to spot when mixed with other brass at the range.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:55 PM (lD3vL)

286 >>>Just because it looked cool, I went and profaned a Springfield SOCOM II
by replacing its stock with a Juggernaut aluminum bullpup frame.<<<

Whoa! That's heavy, dude!

Posted by: Fritz at April 21, 2019 09:56 PM (LuPts)

287
Ish Kabibble

Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at April 21, 2019 09:56 PM (nYGP6)

288 Never saw the original True Grit. Any good?

Here, go watch it on the big screen: https://tinyurl.com/y4dyj3gp

Posted by: Bert G at April 21, 2019 09:56 PM (OMsf+)

289 281 the Omega Powder Trickler has been discontinued

It looks like something Rube Goldberg would have designed.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 09:54 PM (lD3vL)


Yeah, kind of. If I ever get around to homebrewing one, Rube will look at it and say "Dude. That's messed up".

Posted by: Iowa Bob at April 21, 2019 09:56 PM (bjCNA)

290 Thx, JTB.

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 09:56 PM (9lm3U)

291 Excellent job, Weasel. I might send you an xray of Mrs. E's broken arm. She's in therapy now and will probably be shooting a 22/45 Lite before too long to work back up to more robust calibers. And with that I'm off to berthing.

Posted by: Eromero at April 21, 2019 09:58 PM (qBNEP)

292 Feel kind of silly driving out to the range to shoot, when most of the residents of Sh!thole, Illinois do their shooting on the streets and from their cars.

Posted by: gp at April 21, 2019 09:58 PM (mk9aG)

293 Whoa! That's heavy, dude!

Yeah, load that up with all kinds of geegaws EOTech and a 4x flip magnifier, and maybe a folding bipod and it needs to be wheeled around in a cart.

Even worse, the four sides of cheese grate make wearing Mechanix gloves a requirement.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 10:00 PM (lD3vL)

294 291 Excellent job, Weasel. I might send you an xray of Mrs. E's broken arm. She's in therapy now and will probably be shooting a 22/45 Lite before too long to work back up to more robust calibers. And with that I'm off to berthing.
Posted by: Eromero at April 21, 2019 09:58 PM (qBNEP)
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Thanks Eromero!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 10:00 PM (9lm3U)

295 *ONT is NOOD!*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at April 21, 2019 10:00 PM (Ckg4U)

296 ...freaking amateurs are shirking their responsibilities.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at April 21, 2019 10:01 PM (Ckg4U)

297 Good night everybody. Happy Easter!

Posted by: Weasel at April 21, 2019 10:01 PM (9lm3U)

298 Feel kind of silly driving out to the range to shoot, when most of the residents of Sh!thole, Illinois do their shooting on the streets and from their cars.

Especially when DOT puts all kinds of reflective metal targets along the shoulders.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 21, 2019 10:02 PM (lD3vL)

299 Thanks BB and follow on comments - at my age (multi 29), I don't go looking, I wait.

Posted by: stonecutter at April 21, 2019 10:03 PM (Bfr22)

300 Yes rickl, Glen did struggle with that dreaded disease for a number of years.
His daughter would tour with him and him him through the confused times. Her love for him quite evident.

And yes redc, he was a member of the Wrecking Crew. As such he played guitar on tons of hit songs.

Posted by: teej at April 21, 2019 10:04 PM (E9vLe)

301 Ah ha! This is "relevant to my interests" to quote a famous Moron. I want to use a side charger with a right-side reciprocating handle a la M1/M14. But the only one I've found has been Bear Creek and, per comments on reddit, their quality is kind of iffy. Is the Sanders still available? I tried to look on their website but it's horrible, at least on a phone-size device.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at April 21, 2019 09:40 PM (qc+VF)

Bob - Visit their site on a full size 'puter. Also, the owner is very helpful and patient. You can buy all the parts or a complete upper or... As far as Bear Creek, I've one of their ARs from when they were something something else and haven't experienced a problem with it. The Mrs. got her first deer DRT with it. I bought an upper/bolt set in 300 Blackout from them that will be my next project after I "ruststore" my Harley 45

I have too many projects and should just retire. But then I couldn't afford the projects, the Mrs or much of anything

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at April 21, 2019 10:05 PM (gMngZ)

302 "reflective metal targets along the shoulders." I'd be fine with them shooting at the reflectors, but they're always aiming at people, houses, other cars. A much different kind of gun culture from ours.

Posted by: gp at April 21, 2019 10:09 PM (mk9aG)

303 McGyver, thanks. Maybe we can revisit the topic next week. I have other questions and it sounds like your build is almost exactly what I was planning.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 21, 2019 10:17 PM (qc+VF)

304 You'll get the mortar base plate if you keep bitching

Posted by: Jean at April 21, 2019 09:46 PM (ckFlT)
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Willowed for sure, but you're talking to the guy who had to hump the traversing unit for a TOW missile system because he was the only one in the unit with a Large ALICE ruck and our idiot commander thought we should take one with us on an Air Assault FTX.

even the 82nd and the Ranger Bats agreed that the TOW wasn't "man-portable". and the Dragon was a joke and a suicide weapon in most scenarios.

hell, even back in the day (80s) each round was ~55# and the launch signature was a dead giveaway, which meant you're immediate AO would be saturated with indirect fire before you could break the bitch down and boogie.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 21, 2019 11:37 PM (ER1jH)

305 And for those of us who are in the last part of being 29, Grace Slick turns 80 this year.

Posted by: An Observation at April 22, 2019 12:03 PM (041n+)

306 BUNNY SCOPE I THOUGHT YOU SAID BUNNY SLOPE

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at April 23, 2019 06:39 PM (wGqjj)

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