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I put a lot of stuff in the sidebar. I don't really have much to say today, except the world is doomed and will not be lamented.

Update; Trump's proposal has more opposition than I expected -- NBC/the WSJ finds, if you can believe them, and you will be excused for deciding you cannot, that 57% of Americans oppose Trump's ban.

Suspiciously, the actual question asked is not reported. (There is a question posed above the poll findings, but I don't know if that's the actual question, or just the digest for this report. And usually a question will have a preamble, such as "Donald Trump has recently proposed...' This preamble can be written very negatively to lead respondents towards a desired answer.)

Oh, and this hacker says he's found proof of spaceships. But not UFOs -- America has a fleet of deep-space warships, he says.

Um, this country couldn't build a f***ing website under this incompetent foreign-seeming drifter's guidance. We're not building Enterprise-class space battleships.

Posted by: Ace at 07:28 PM




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1 Content!

Posted by: tmitsss at December 10, 2015 07:29 PM (Pa9vP)

2 Man named Lynch. Man named Lynch.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 10, 2015 07:30 PM (FkBIv)

3 speaking of DOOOOM what happened to Monty?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2015 07:30 PM (AkOaV)

4 Time warping

Posted by: tmitsss at December 10, 2015 07:30 PM (Pa9vP)

5 Hello, all y'all.

I am alive.

Not that anyone cars.

But, I survived the Creeping Crud of 2015.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:30 PM (+eR2D)

6 Cars, cares....whatever. It's hard to think.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:31 PM (+eR2D)

7 Lucky 7!

Posted by: Dang at December 10, 2015 07:31 PM (2oWD2)

8 Until America recognizes my right to walk around without pants on I will be protesting.

Posted by: MTF at December 10, 2015 07:32 PM (TxJGV)

9 first !!

Posted by: Jake at December 10, 2015 07:32 PM (QelBn)

10 Given the Legislature's stampede to open the gates to unfettered muslim immigration I'd say that terrorism does work.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 07:33 PM (T78UI)

11 **reads sidebar story about renaming building named after a guy named Lynch**




...

Posted by: Marshawn Lynch at December 10, 2015 07:33 PM (H9MG5)

12 the world is doomed and will not be lamented.

Titties. Titties are good.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 10, 2015 07:33 PM (1xUj/)

13 Have I missed anything important?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:33 PM (+eR2D)

14 That about sums up my outlook as well. I'm so glad I don't have kids. They'd be screwed.

Posted by: taryn onthenews at December 10, 2015 07:34 PM (dp7Vd)

15 Clicked on the link on the Vander Plaats topic earlier. Allahpaundit wrote:

"He endorsed Huckabee in 2008 and Satorum in 2012 and both won the caucuses. He's a kingmaker."

Kingmaker, bitches.

I guessed I slept right through those reigns.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 10, 2015 07:34 PM (/pB9Z)

16 The cookie jar isn't empty yet.
But we're out of milk.

Posted by: ALH at December 10, 2015 07:34 PM (Z56vq)

17 Titties. Titties are good


Don't forget the beer.

Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at December 10, 2015 07:35 PM (BO/km)

18 Hi dangergirl!

I have no comment. I do get to wear my party dress tomorrow night! When it is going to be 75 degrees which doesn't feel very christmasy but I guess at least I won't be cold...

Posted by: Lea at December 10, 2015 07:36 PM (vmMMi)

19 13 Have I missed anything important?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:33 PM (+eR2D)

Nah. Same old same old.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2015 07:37 PM (AkOaV)

20 That Mollie Hemingway post sums up my feelings ENTIRELY! It is one reason I haven't been around much. I don't want to applaud or denounce anything said about He Who Shall Not Be Named.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), (T) at December 10, 2015 07:37 PM (OQ9R7)

21 Wow, they asked a whopping 495 people about Trump's policy. What a sampling of the United States!!!!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:37 PM (+eR2D)

22 Only in America could you say you don't want people who are well known for terrorism, America-hating, anti-semitism, misogyny, and homophobia to come to your country - and be called a "bigot" for it.

Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 07:38 PM (/q6+P)

23 re update:

space ships?

Thats awesome.

Probably not true though

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2015 07:38 PM (AkOaV)

24 Kingmaker, bitches.

He made the king of the forest.
Not queen, not duke, not prince.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 10, 2015 07:38 PM (FkBIv)

25 I have no comment. I do get to wear my party dress
tomorrow night! When it is going to be 75 degrees which doesn't feel
very christmasy but I guess at least I won't be cold...

Posted by: Lea at December 10, 2015 07:36 PM (vmMMi)



Hi Lea, it's always fun to dress up for a night. Christmas party? I think it's going to be 80 degrees here tomorrow in DFW, which is totally not christmasy, so I feel your pain.


Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:38 PM (+eR2D)

26 "Wow, they asked a whopping 495 people about Trump's policy. What a sampling of the United States!!!!"
-Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:37 PM (+eR2D)

If it was "adults", no. "Likely Voters", however, would be a nice sample-size.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), (T) at December 10, 2015 07:39 PM (OQ9R7)

27 Um, this country couldn't build a f***ing website under this incompetent foreign-seeming drifter's guidance. We're not building Enterprise-class space battleships.

Posted by Ace at 07:28 PM
.....................
We can`t get a crew to low earth orbit! The SLS and Orion are still two full years out from their first test flight!!!

Posted by: Rino sanctuary at December 10, 2015 07:40 PM (Pyr1a)

28 Kurt Russell sees no need to go heeled to get the bulge on a dub like that reporter.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 10, 2015 07:40 PM (/pB9Z)

29 Pfft. You don't need the Enterprise.

Posted by: John Crichton at December 10, 2015 07:40 PM (H9MG5)

30 Yes how did the "we love the idea of replacing Americans with foreign workers" WSJ and NBC phrase the idea of putting a halt to immigration of Muslims?

Posted by: Buzzion at December 10, 2015 07:40 PM (z/Ubi)

31 My kids, smart, employed and well-armed, will end up ruling the world after this doom shit!

Posted by: Earl T at December 10, 2015 07:40 PM (fpd99)

32 Mollie Hemingway's article is a great read, btw

Posted by: MTF at December 10, 2015 07:41 PM (TxJGV)

33 If I see a deep space warship, I'll eat it!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), (T) at December 10, 2015 07:42 PM (OQ9R7)

34 I declare shenanigans on the poll.

Posted by: Dang at December 10, 2015 07:43 PM (2oWD2)

35 There's also a wormhole in Cheyenne Mountain that allows an elite team of Air Force officers, an Egyptologist and their alien companion to travel the galaxy and defeat evil space parasites.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 10, 2015 07:43 PM (z/Ubi)

36 Another Mark Murphy poll.
Murphy delivered, per contract, polls showing
1-Carson in front
2-Cruz in front; and now
3-Americans want prefer to be butchered by muzzies rather than deny them their constitutional right to enter and kill at will

Murphy is the Go To guy to slay the Trump dragon.

Posted by: anti-socialist at December 10, 2015 07:44 PM (o9lmn)

37 I wonder if the question was about Trump's actual ban proposal, or if it was about the media's internment camp interpretation of Trump's proposal. Because here in the NYC burbs I can find almost no opposition, and what opposition there is is of the ban should target terrorist countries and not Muslims in general variety.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 10, 2015 07:44 PM (rJnvs)

38 If it was "adults", no. "Likely Voters", however, would be a nice sample-size.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), (T) at December 10, 2015 07:39 PM (OQ9R7)



It is of "adults" of course. And their graph shows it as "ALL AMERICANS".


Fuck the media and fuck their polls.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:44 PM (+eR2D)

39 >>which is totally not christmasy, so I feel your pain.

I know! Ordinarily 70 degree weather is awesome, I'm just tired of the long summer this year.

But at least I don't need hose!

Posted by: Lea at December 10, 2015 07:44 PM (vmMMi)

40 I hate it that everything I like gets ruined. Don't you hate that?

Maybe it's just time and change marching on. Still it sucks.

Posted by: freaked at December 10, 2015 07:45 PM (BO/km)

41 "No guys, let's just skip the jet packs and flying cars and go straight to space ships."

Bullshitery.

Posted by: Dang at December 10, 2015 07:45 PM (2oWD2)

42 Wow, Deep Space Warships! Cool!

Posted by: tu3031 at December 10, 2015 07:46 PM (YFFpo)

43 "It is of "adults" of course. And their graph shows it as "ALL AMERICANS".
Fuck the media and fuck their polls.
"
-Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:44 PM (+eR2D)

*HAH!*

...waiter? I'll have what she's having.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), (T) at December 10, 2015 07:46 PM (OQ9R7)

44 Poll Question: "Trump proposes to ban all Muslims from ever entering the country again and killing all Muslims who currently live here, which is a very racist and unConstitutional idea. Do you agree or disagree with his policy?"

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:46 PM (+eR2D)

45 >>>There's also a wormhole in Cheyenne Mountain that
allows an elite team of Air Force officers, an Egyptologist and their
alien companion to travel the galaxy and defeat evil space parasites.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 10, 2015 07:43 PM (z/Ubi)<<<

Indeed.

Posted by: Teal'c at December 10, 2015 07:46 PM (H9MG5)

46 Suspiciously, the actual question asked is not reported.


"Would you support efforts by the government to punish all members of a religion simply because a few have committed crimes?"

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2015 07:47 PM (8ZskC)

47 Buono sera from Reggio Emilain fellow slackers and mouth breathers! Any place that has prosciutto and mozzarella pannini sammiches, dark chocolate and dark beer as the usual fare at highway gas stops is a good place! Not a lotta Christmas lights and decorations here though.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2015 07:47 PM (qamN8)

48 Murray heh

Posted by: anti-socialist at December 10, 2015 07:47 PM (o9lmn)

49 I've read about this, which is more fodder for the "secret space program" conspiracy. There was something he found in the documents about "non-terrestrial officers" and the names of ships which aren't any publicly known naval ships.

I enjoy some of this stuff, but you've got to take it with more than a grain or two of salt and consider it just entertainment.

This conspiracy can run parallel with the UFO shit or be completely opposed to it (there are no aliens, it's all us). The idea is there were breakthroughs made way back and they were kept secret. And there's a strain that holds this is *ancient*, that there is a privileged elite that is in the know of the true history of humans on this planet, and that includes spacefaring technology.


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 07:47 PM (dvuhZ)

50 "I hate it that everything I like gets ruined. Don't you hate that?
Maybe it's just time and change marching on. Still it sucks.
"
-Posted by: freaked at December 10, 2015 07:45 PM (BO/km)

That's the way life is for most, I guess. It is made that way, so near the end, you really, really, really just want to be somewhere else.

Meeting Jesus ain't a bad idea, then.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), (T) at December 10, 2015 07:48 PM (OQ9R7)

51 "Like Trump, would you want to stop the original Pilgrims from coming to America?"

Posted by: Dang at December 10, 2015 07:48 PM (2oWD2)

52 Buono sera from Reggio Emilain fellow slackers and
mouth breathers! Any place that has prosciutto and mozzarella pannini
sammiches, dark chocolate and dark beer as the usual fare at highway gas
stops is a good place! Not a lotta Christmas lights and decorations
here though.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2015 07:47 PM (qamN



Dude, I saw the "truck stop" food photos you posted and holy crap.... *droooooool*

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:48 PM (+eR2D)

53 Are the spaceships made out of plywood?

Posted by: Phyllis Balzac at December 10, 2015 07:49 PM (c8V4N)

54 Homemade chicken soup time! Nighty-night!

Posted by: Dang at December 10, 2015 07:49 PM (2oWD2)

55 I feel crazier for just having opened the "The Navy has a deep space fleet supplying the Mars colony" article.

Then again, maybe that's how they want me to feel....

Posted by: MTF at December 10, 2015 07:50 PM (TxJGV)

56 But not UFOs -- America has a fleet of deep-space warships, he says.

The USDSS Gabby Giffords is going places.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 10, 2015 07:50 PM (0NdlF)

57 How can they demand that Christmas, a religious holiday of Christians, is too Christian?

Are people just going insane or what?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 07:50 PM (Xo1Rt)

58 "Donald Trump has proposed sending all Jews back to death camps for execution and something about Muslims. Do you agree or disagree with this policy?"

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:50 PM (+eR2D)

59 Donald Trump's recent rhetoric has been compared to Hitler's. Do you support Donald Trump's Nazi rhetoric?

Posted by: mugiwara at December 10, 2015 07:50 PM (rJnvs)

60 We need to figure out what the hell is going on. The rent's too damn high!

Posted by: Phyllis Balzac at December 10, 2015 07:50 PM (c8V4N)

61 But at least I don't need hose!

Posted by: Lea at December 10, 2015 07:44 PM (vmMMi)
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Go on...

Posted by: MTF at December 10, 2015 07:51 PM (TxJGV)

62 Oh, and did any of you see that report that police in Missouri are investigating a couple of men who bought over 100 cell phones at three Wal-Marts in the area, paying cash.

They are likely up to no-good. But whether that no-good involves terrorism, they don't know.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 07:52 PM (dvuhZ)

63 I want to pinch Mollie Hemingway's ...cheeks.

That's right. I want to rosy-up those lil' grin-supplements.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), (T) at December 10, 2015 07:52 PM (OQ9R7)

64 Poll Question: "Trump proposes to ban all Muslims
from ever entering the country again and killing all Muslims who
currently live here, which is a very racist and unConstitutional idea.
Do you agree or disagree with his policy?"


Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:46 PM (+eR2D)
I will have to "disagree" as it seems that something is being held back.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 07:52 PM (T78UI)

65 And there's a strain that holds this is *ancient*, that there is a privileged elite that is in the know of the true history of humans on this planet, and that includes spacefaring technology.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius)


Ancient African secrets?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 10, 2015 07:53 PM (FkBIv)

66 As the media continues to do whatever they can to trash and subvert Donald J. Trump, the idiot at the white house, you know the Muslim Botherhood member, continues to lead from behind and twiddle his fingers. The guy concentrates more on golf than America.

Cruz 2016

Posted by: buford_ho at December 10, 2015 07:54 PM (8/xTS)

67 "Donald Trump proposes banning Muslims from entering the US? Are you a racist like Donald Trump?"

Posted by: tu3031 at December 10, 2015 07:54 PM (YFFpo)

68 "Thought leaders across America and the world have branded Donald Trump's proposal to bar entry of muslims into the U.S. as hateful, racist and something that only an uneducated hick in flyoverland would support. Do you support Donald Trump's proposal?"

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2015 07:55 PM (8ZskC)

69 As I wrote earlier I don't trust polls, especially a lefty organization one.

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2015 07:55 PM (k0xxN)

70 500 quatloos to whomever erects (hehe) public stocks somewhere on the Mall and has a truck full of rotted produce standing by, along with some tar and feathers. Then invite random Dems to come make a speech . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 10, 2015 07:56 PM (JO9+V)

71 Holy moly, Trump mania is unbelievable. Now they are quoting people calling him a Nazi on O'Reilly. Off.

Posted by: MTF at December 10, 2015 07:56 PM (TxJGV)

72 "Donald Trump wants to kill puppies, kick kittens and ban Muslims. Do you agree with this policy?"

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 07:56 PM (+eR2D)

73
Hey......I'm up to 3% and closing!

Posted by: JEB at December 10, 2015 07:56 PM (OiFtZ)

74
The deep space warships have only minor flaws, one is when you open the porthole to aim the cannons all your air escapes.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2015 07:57 PM (HgMAr)

75 Who's more dishonest; Gruber or the media??

That should be a jeopardy question - for the daily double

Posted by: dufuss at December 10, 2015 07:57 PM (8/xTS)

76 Speaking of spaceships... what did ya'll think of that scene in Fargo Monday night?

Posted by: jewells45 at December 10, 2015 07:57 PM (5fvBZ)

77 I'm not saying there *is* a secret program to collect all the most competent people in the world to build a fleet of spaceships and leave, I'm just saying I understand the motivation.

Kind of pissed I didn't get the call, but whaddaya gonna do?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 10, 2015 07:57 PM (bLnSU)

78 I can just imagine how they framed it...

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2015 07:58 PM (8HTq1)

79 The deep space warships have only minor flaws, one is when you open the porthole to aim the cannons all your air escapes.

Also, the turds keep floating out of the toilets.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2015 07:58 PM (8ZskC)

80 good links, ace !

otherwise, dinnertime.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 10, 2015 07:58 PM (erRNA)

81 Trump's proposal was for a temporary ban on Muzzies, bet that tid bit wasn't part of the questionnaire.
I really hate the msm

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2015 07:59 PM (k0xxN)

82
We hate Trump and will deny him the nomination at the convention!

We'll screw him good and hard!

Posted by: The GOP at December 10, 2015 07:59 PM (OiFtZ)

83 Lots of people disappear. Also someone could officially die and actually have been recruited. The part that is unbelievable is that they would let anyone come back to Earth to tell about it. Think about it. What if Sandy Hook really was fake. Took the children to Mars. Police Major William Podgorski joined them latter. Can't have guns or individualist in space. Training people to buckle-up . Roller coasters as training tools. Processed foods as acclimation. Hooking people on video games and the internet. That fits in more with interstellar watch standers than long walks outdoors would.

Posted by: could be at December 10, 2015 07:59 PM (PGh+Q)

84 Kind of pissed I didn't get the call, but whaddaya gonna do?

Laugh at them when it turns out they needed the telephone sanitizers.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 10, 2015 08:00 PM (0NdlF)

85 Speaking of spaceships... what did ya'll think of that scene in Fargo Monday night?

Posted by: jewells45

Kinda funny, I guess? I don't really care for the UFOs and goofy Reagan stuff but other than that it's been great.

Posted by: Dang at December 10, 2015 08:00 PM (2oWD2)

86 "Speaking of spaceships... what did y'all think of that scene in Fargo Monday night?"
-Posted by: jewells45 at December 10, 2015 07:57 PM (5fvBZ)

Since it is an entirely true story with only the names changed, I must now believe in Extraterrestrial life what runs big, light-y spaceships.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), (T) at December 10, 2015 08:00 PM (OQ9R7)

87 Was a spaceship in the book?
The spaceship thing was WTF.


Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 08:01 PM (wp7uW)

88 "We asked 10 people in Chicago if they agreed with Donald Trump's Muslim Policy. 90% of ALL AMERICANS disagree with Trump."

*in very small typeset* - gunshots and "What you talkin bout honkey mofo" responses were logged as "disagree"

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 08:01 PM (+eR2D)

89 "Suspiciously, the actual question asked is not reported. (There is a
question posed above the poll findings, but I don't know if that's the
actual question, or just the digest for this report. And usually a
question will have a preamble, such as 'Donald Trump has recently
proposed...' This preamble can be written very negatively to lead
respondents towards a desired answer.)"

I recall one of the 'ettes (and eternal shame upon me for not remembering which one in order to give her proper credit for this) advancing the sound rule of thumb that "All polls are push polls."

Posted by: torquewrench at December 10, 2015 08:01 PM (noWW6)

90 Skip.. well that's exactly right but they conveniently leave that part out. Seriously.. what is so awful about a temporary ban on Muslims in light of San Bernadino? Fuck.. should have happened after 9/11 as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: jewells45 at December 10, 2015 08:01 PM (5fvBZ)

91 WE HAVE DEE PLACE WART CHIPS????

Posted by: AL SHARPTON at December 10, 2015 08:02 PM (9YDUz)

92
I polled my immediate family, and we are 100% in disagreement with Donald Trump's hatred for Muslims and jihad.

Posted by: Mohammad al Faisel Mohammad at December 10, 2015 08:02 PM (OiFtZ)

93 Shitting in space is a major, major problem. One of the Apollo transcripts has some interesting dialogue between the astronauts in transit to the Moon. One of them noticed something floating around. Something that wasn't supposed to be there. All three denied it was theirs. One even angrily said he knows what his looks like and that ain't it (I'd be he was the one).

They have spent untold govt contract money on developing the perfect space toilet. It's still not the best in the world.

That would actually be a show stopper for me about spaceflight.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 08:02 PM (dvuhZ)

94 I recall one of the 'ettes (and eternal shame upon
me for not remembering which one in order to give her proper credit for
this) advancing the sound rule of thumb that "All polls are push polls."



Posted by: torquewrench at December 10, 2015 08:01 PM (noWW6)



Lauren? I think that may have been her.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 08:03 PM (+eR2D)

95 Only Fargo could pull that off and not make it look ridiculous. I wish that show was on every damn week of the year. Excellent acting, writing, everything. Best thing on TV.

Posted by: jewells45 at December 10, 2015 08:04 PM (5fvBZ)

96 NBC/the WSJ finds, if you can believe them, and you will be excused for deciding you cannot, that 57% of Americans oppose Trump's ban.

Hard to match that with the other polls showing his support rising and a majority of Americans supporting his idea. Its almost as if, what is it? Oh yes, polls are BS.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 08:04 PM (39g3+)

97 The deep space warships are manned by a rather scurvy lot. The peg legs work pretty good when you're weightless, but the parrots get pretty confused.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2015 08:05 PM (HgMAr)

98
I think Trump is taking extreme positions because he's seeking attention.

-Austin Goolsbee, Obama Buttboy

Posted by: Doctor Fish at December 10, 2015 08:05 PM (OiFtZ)

99 any particular reason there's two links to the Lynch story, or is that just the usual AoSHQ qwality control at w*rk?

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 10, 2015 08:05 PM (7+yyM)

100 ..."That would actually be a show stopper for me about spaceflight."
-Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 08:02 PM (dvuhZ)

Come for the unique views and experiences.

Stay for the floating turds what bounce around the ship.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), (T) at December 10, 2015 08:05 PM (OQ9R7)

101 Do these deep space warships have the wave motion gun?

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 10, 2015 08:05 PM (kpqmD)

102 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at December 10, 2015 08:05 PM (yp4bV)

103
But not UFOs -- America has a fleet of deep-space warships, he says.

The USDSS Gabby Giffords is going places.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 10, 2015 07:50 PM (0NdlF)







Not with those plumbing problems it won't. Crew needs to work on the hole in the head.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 10, 2015 08:06 PM (o98Jz)

104 36 Another Mark Murphy poll.
Murphy delivered, per contract, polls showing
1-Carson in front
2-Cruz in front; and now
3-Americans want prefer to be butchered by muzzies rather than deny them their constitutional right to enter and kill at will

Murphy is the Go To guy to slay the Trump dragon.

Posted by: anti-socialist at December 10, 2015 07:44 PM (o9lmn)
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I do find it suspect that 3 polls come out showing decent\majority support for it... and then nbc comes out with one that shows the opposite.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:06 PM (MbrzC)

105 Monty disappeared around the same time that Janet Yellen was named to chair the FED.

Just sayin.......

Posted by: East Bay Jay at December 10, 2015 08:06 PM (PvCxa)

106 As I mentioned the other day, my two time Obama voting Marxist aunt and uncle were saying we needed to ban these fucks, even before Trump made his proposal. That poll is completely unbelievable.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 10, 2015 08:07 PM (rJnvs)

107 I bet those ships left the American flag on Mars.

Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee at December 10, 2015 08:07 PM (H9MG5)

108 Interesting theory of the upcoming election, and my favorite ex-Democrat Jeanne Kirkpatrick gets a shout-out.

http://on.wsj.com/1SRc28B

Posted by: MTF at December 10, 2015 08:08 PM (TxJGV)

109 Oh and that same NBC/WSJ poll finds that most Americans have a favorable view of Islam by a 2 to 1 margin...which pretty much goes in direct opposition of almost every other poll taken recently on teh subject.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 08:08 PM (+eR2D)

110 66 As the media continues to do whatever they can to trash and subvert Donald J. Trump, the idiot at the white house, you know the Muslim Botherhood member, continues to lead from behind and twiddle his fingers. The guy concentrates more on golf than America.

Cruz 2016

Posted by: buford_ho at December 10, 2015 07:54 PM (8/xTS)
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Don't worry, when their done with Trump, Cruz is next.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:08 PM (MbrzC)

111 Monty had a h/t post in the sidebar earlier this week.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1), (T) at December 10, 2015 08:08 PM (OQ9R7)

112 They have spent untold govt contract money on developing the perfect space toilet. It's still not the best in the world.

That would actually be a show stopper for me about spaceflight.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 08:02 PM (dvuhZ)


Pretty simple really: inject fresh liquid oxygen up each crewmember's arse once a day, surgically remove frozen shit, toss dead bodies out airlock. Also, we were never trying to actually get people to Mars, that was a ruse for the "brown glass" scenes we filmed and are now showing in limited release at certain specialty German theatres.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 10, 2015 08:09 PM (k9qR4)

113 I walked into the room when someone was watching Fargo.

Huge 10 minute long gun fight followed by spaceship.

wut?

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:09 PM (qUNWi)

114
They have spent untold govt contract money on developing the perfect space toilet. It's still not the best in the world.
.............

Word.

Posted by: Howard Wolowitz at December 10, 2015 08:09 PM (HgMAr)

115 "We can`t get a crew to low earth orbit! The SLS and Orion are still two full years out from their first test flight!!!"

And no one should ever have been allowed to steal the name "Orion" for a spacecraft. That honor should have been permanently reserved for the original Project Orion from the now departed era of big, brave, bold, proud, imaginative, slightly insane engineering.

No pussyfooting around with that design. POWERED BY NUCLEAR BOMBS, BITCHES. Earth to Saturn and back in a summer vacation.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 10, 2015 08:09 PM (noWW6)

116 Is it that they are still pissed at vonBraun or is there a reason they don't use cylindrical force for artificial gravity?


Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 08:09 PM (wp7uW)

117 Spaceship Spaceship Spaceship!

Posted by: Everything Is Awesome at December 10, 2015 08:09 PM (MbrzC)

118 Trump and Coast to Coast Overnight with UFOs and Mars Colonies.

And people think the moon landing was a hoax!

Hah! I say.

Trump is really a robot from the future sent back to insure the United States doesn't fall to the socialists who would start WWIII and nuke us all back to the stone age.

Posted by: Ouija Jamma at December 10, 2015 08:10 PM (dj+Mk)

119
Sheila Jackson Lee is the smartest person in Congress!

Posted by: Maxine Waters, D-CA at December 10, 2015 08:10 PM (OiFtZ)

120 Sheila Jackson Lee is the smartest person in Congress!

Posted by: Maxine Waters, D-CA at December 10, 2015 08:10 PM (OiFtZ)


Racist!

Posted by: Loretta Sanchez at December 10, 2015 08:11 PM (8ZskC)

121 If you add one teaspoon of shit to a glass bowl it's still shit.

I don't care how hot you get it.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:11 PM (qUNWi)

122 Mollie Hemingway's article is at its best when it screencaps how CNN made ALL FIVE of its top stories about Trump.

This is an unholy obsession, and if some of it is coming from the Right it's even worse on the Left.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 08:11 PM (6FqZa)

123 Does Hank Johnson have a view on the right number of people for the Mars colony? Thanks to him, we all know the Navy likes to take stupid risks of tipping over their bases.

Posted by: MTF at December 10, 2015 08:11 PM (TxJGV)

124 Ll cool j just asked me if I wanted to do a mitzvah this Hanukkah on nbc...is ll cool j Jewish or something?

Posted by: Lea at December 10, 2015 08:11 PM (vmMMi)

125
I would hump Sheila Jackson Lee for Halloween!

Posted by: Ron "Hedgehog" Jeremy at December 10, 2015 08:12 PM (OiFtZ)

126 Is it that they are still pissed at vonBraun or is there a reason they don't use cylindrical force for artificial gravity?


Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 08:09 PM (wp7uW)


Turns out there's a pretty bad vomiting problem with small-diameter centrifugal gravity simulators. You can use 'em okay if the victims are strapped in, but try doing what Bowman does in 2001 (jogging around the circumference) and you'll crack your head on a computer terminal, send your lunch everywhere, and vow to never do so again.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 10, 2015 08:13 PM (k9qR4)

127 "They have spent untold govt contract money on developing the perfect space toilet."

Ben Bova, the longtime SF author and editor, has a story about getting snail mail from one of the authors in his publishing stable, Spider Robinson.

Robinson had included a diagram of the latest and greatest NASA zero-gee toilet design, and added an arrow highlighting the rotating waste separation impeller.

He added, "Ben: near as I can figure, the shit is _supposed_ to hit the fan."

Posted by: torquewrench at December 10, 2015 08:13 PM (noWW6)

128 Any opposition to the ban will be halved after the next attack. Which already seems to be in the preparation phase:

"At least 4 reported incidents of suspicious phone purchases across Missouri"

http://tinyurl.com/ngxgpj2

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 10, 2015 08:13 PM (ppaKI)

129
If America elects Trump, Washington will trip over from the BS!

Posted by: Hank Johnson, D-GA at December 10, 2015 08:13 PM (OiFtZ)

130 Sheila Jackson Lee is the smartest person in Congress!
Posted by: Maxine Waters, D-CA


It is obvious that we have reached the tipping point.

Posted by: Hank Johnson D-GA at December 10, 2015 08:14 PM (FkBIv)

131 Donald Trump proposes that you personally be raped by a mad goat and something about Muslims. Agree or disagree?

Posted by: rebel flounder at December 10, 2015 08:14 PM (3dOE/)

132 Time warping



Posted by: tmitsss at December 10, 2015 07:30 PM


It's just a jump to the left.....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 10, 2015 08:14 PM (pLwjI)

133 Wouldn't it be fun to try to impeach Loretta Lynch as AG since her name is so offensive?

Posted by: Furious George at December 10, 2015 08:15 PM (RIzwy)

134 Since ISIS is an apocalyptic movement, it's plausible that attacking it is what ISIS wants.

But what ISIS says it wants, or doesn't want, does not factor into policy decisions. What should factor in is how to destroy ISIS. So what if they go to al-nar with a smile on the charred remnants of their faces.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 08:15 PM (6FqZa)

135 "They have spent untold govt contract money on developing the perfect space toilet."

I think its OK, though, because it's World Government money and not American.

Posted by: MTF at December 10, 2015 08:15 PM (TxJGV)

136
If they dump Trump at the convention, I will be the wings tanned, rested, and ready for the call!

Posted by: Goober Romney at December 10, 2015 08:15 PM (OiFtZ)

137 Wouldn't it be fun to try to impeach Loretta Lynch as AG since her name is so offensive?

Loretta's not so bad.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 10, 2015 08:16 PM (8ZskC)

138 Fuck.. should have happened after 9/11 as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: jewells45 at December 10, 2015 08:01 PM (5fvBZ)

Nah, George W. was grooving on the "Peace Corps at gunpoint will make them love us" thing.
The most rational proposal was simply baring all from antagonistic/oppressive muslim dominated societies from getting visas to the US, indefinitely.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 08:16 PM (T78UI)

139 So speaking of aliens and spaceships and stuff...

Wonder what would happen if you flew a drone over Area 51.

That could be...interesting.

Posted by: HH at December 10, 2015 08:16 PM (DrCtv)

140
It's time to make the doughnuts.

Posted by: Lougie Fantanella at December 10, 2015 08:16 PM (OiFtZ)

141 Don't get me started on travel between planets and stuff.

Posted by: The Donald at December 10, 2015 08:16 PM (HgMAr)

142 Trump is like crack to CNN and MSNBC.

It's 24/7 Trump and giant pupils.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:16 PM (qUNWi)

143 Cool story Mr. McKinnon - Too bad not only does it not make sense but even if it did, it requires so much competence and secrecy on some many levels, from so many supposed players, that it's impossible.

Posted by: Everything Is Awesome at December 10, 2015 08:18 PM (MbrzC)

144
If you add one teaspoon of shit to a glass bowl it's still shit.

I don't care how hot you get it.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:11 PM (qUNWi)








One of you reprobates had the piss/wine analogy. That if you took a half glass of wine and filled up the rest with piss, a leftist would argue that you've improved the piss rather than ruined the wine.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 10, 2015 08:18 PM (o98Jz)

145 Oh I believe the poll, the vast majority of the Western World has lost the will to live, we are watching what happened to the Neanderthals play out in real time.

Sucks, but that's the name of that tune.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2015 08:18 PM (WVvzl)

146 So speaking of aliens and spaceships and stuff...

Wonder what would happen if you flew a drone over Area 51.

That could be...interesting.


You double daring me, dawg?

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:18 PM (qUNWi)

147 We're not building Enterprise-class space battleships.

Here's another thing we didn't build. I found it linked at Instapundit:

https://tinyurl.com/ougwy6o

NASA's first idea for a space station, circa 1960, using a spent Atlas rocket as a hull. I remember building a plastic model of it when I was a kid.

The author of the article, Anatoly Zak, is an expert on Russian space history and his website (linked at the end) is excellent.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 08:19 PM (sdi6R)

148 Suppose you're on the Wall Street Journal's editorial board. You see your immigration wet dream coming true before your very eyes.

Do you think your future or your children's futures will be better for this?

I mean, what's the fucking frequency, Kenneth?

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 10, 2015 08:19 PM (qNZ3I)

149 Ha,
Trump should draw Mohammed and post it

Posted by: Yo! at December 10, 2015 08:19 PM (yp4bV)

150 So did they ever get that guy back from Mars? The guy who got left behind and had to grow potatoes to stay alive?

Posted by: Ouija Jamma at December 10, 2015 08:19 PM (dj+Mk)

151 128 Any opposition to the ban will be halved after the next attack. Which already seems to be in the preparation phase:

"At least 4 reported incidents of suspicious phone purchases across Missouri"

http://tinyurl.com/ngxgpj2

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 10, 2015 08:13 PM (ppaKI)

Strict burner phone control laws would stop terrorists from being able to communicate with each other.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 10, 2015 08:19 PM (kpqmD)

152 141 Don't get me started on travel between planets and stuff.

Posted by: The Donald at December 10, 2015 08:16 PM (HgMAr)

---

I'm yuuuge with the people of mars! Beautiful people, they love me there by the way.

Posted by: DJT at December 10, 2015 08:19 PM (MbrzC)

153 ...and then a step to the rii-iii-iii-iiight

Posted by: jow at December 10, 2015 08:20 PM (1pRZc)

154 "foreign-seeming drifter"

lol take a timeout dude, this stuff is eating at your brain

Posted by: Cliff at December 10, 2015 08:21 PM (JgEkO)

155 149 Ha,
Trump should draw Mohammed and post it

Posted by: Yo! at December 10, 2015 08:19 PM (yp4bV)
---

Ha ha. Now that would be blatantly for attention, but still, good times none the less.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:21 PM (MbrzC)

156 Gates to park AmeriWorld should be closed and remain closed until all maintenance and repair is completed.

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 08:21 PM (wp7uW)

157 >>> If you add one teaspoon of shit to a glass bowl it's still shit.

Curious non-sequitur.

At the least, you know shit from shinola.

Posted by: fluffy at December 10, 2015 08:21 PM (AfsKp)

158 I propose a temporary ban on mutant immigration to Mars.

Posted by: Vilos Cohaagen at December 10, 2015 08:21 PM (ppaKI)

159 Is it that they are still pissed at vonBraun or is there a reason they don't use cylindrical force for artificial gravity?




Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 08:09 PM (wp7uW)

ISS is only 100m across, not wide enough to use centrifugal force for artificial gravity.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 08:22 PM (T78UI)

160 No, Titan is not anything at all like Earth.

Posted by: Ouija Jamma at December 10, 2015 08:23 PM (dj+Mk)

161 "We're not building Enterprise-class space battleships."

Well, this will be easy....

Posted by: Darth Helmet, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sith Lord.... at December 10, 2015 08:23 PM (m/RW8)

162
Curious non-sequitur.

At the least, you know shit from shinola.


Someone said something about glass and shit.

Unless I'm trippin. Which, y'know....

possible.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:24 PM (qUNWi)

163 The Super Secret 'Murican Starfleet is the ONLY acceptable explanation to such outrages as NASA' s abdication of space and a 60 year old B-52 terrestrial bomber fleet.

I hope it's true, but I'm sure all those trillions were simply stolen and pissed away for nothing.

Posted by: Jaws at December 10, 2015 08:24 PM (Rbtz3)

164 No, Titan is not anything at all like Earth.

It's as flat as Earth. Just sayin....

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:25 PM (qUNWi)

165 Well, it's more or less round, like Earth....

Posted by: KenH at December 10, 2015 08:25 PM (67f1X)

166 Vander Plaats Rules!


Because winning in Iowa means breathless speculations about who's in first what does it mean in New Hampshire omg!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 10, 2015 08:26 PM (4ErVI)

167 "At least 4 reported incidents of suspicious phone purchases across Missouri"

http://tinyurl.com/ngxgpj2

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 10, 2015 08:13 PM (ppaKI)
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Doesn't 4 strike you as odd in the same state... in the non-terrorist sort of way, like someone exploiting a 'sale'. It could be terrorist related but that seems too stupid, terrorists usually make some attempt to stay low key.... buying 60 phones at a time from 4 different walmarts in the state doesn't strike me as a good plan to stay under the wire. That said we're not always dealing with people playing with a full deck.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:26 PM (MbrzC)

168 Only in America could you say you don't want people who are well known for terrorism, America-hating, anti-semitism, misogyny, and homophobia to come to your country - and be called a "bigot" for it.
Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 07:38 PM

I'm thinking this is a threadwinner. For the DAY!

Posted by: Farmer at December 10, 2015 08:27 PM (o/90i)

169 >>>Is it that they are still pissed at vonBraun or is there a reason they don't use cylindrical force for artificial gravity?

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 08:09 PM (wp7uW)

ISS is only 100m across, not wide enough to use centrifugal force for artificial gravity.
.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 08:22 PM (T78UI)<<<


But, but Mars

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 08:28 PM (wp7uW)

170 No, Titan is not anything at all like Earth.



It's as flat as Earth. Just sayin....


Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:25 PM

Eh, nice place to visit but...

Posted by: Malachi Constant at December 10, 2015 08:28 PM (1pRZc)

171 Hey, man. What if the government is just playing at being incompetent with thing like Obamacare, and OPM, and ISIS, and... well, a lot of things, to throw us off the trail of their super advanced projects like the deep space warships?

Posted by: guy wearing tinfoil headgear at December 10, 2015 08:28 PM (H9MG5)

172 NASA's first idea for a space station, circa 1960,
using a spent Atlas rocket as a hull. I remember building a plastic
model of it when I was a kid.



The author of the article, Anatoly Zak, is an expert on Russian space history and his website (linked at the end) is excellent.



Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 08:19 PM (sdi6R)

I remember some old sci-fi story where they quiety kept all the fuel tans from the shuttle missions and clustered them up in orbit rather than dropping back to earth... don't remember anything else about it though.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 08:28 PM (T78UI)

173 Old and busted == "Shit just got real"

New Hotness == "Shit just got really weird"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 08:28 PM (Xo1Rt)

174 Doesn't 4 strike you as odd in the same state... in the non-terrorist sort of way, like someone exploiting a 'sale'. It could be terrorist related but that seems too stupid...


Recall this is the same crowd that featured a guy trying to get back his deposit after using a rental truck to set a bomb off at the World Trade Center.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 10, 2015 08:29 PM (ppaKI)

175 142
Trump is like crack to CNN and MSNBC.



It's 24/7 Trump and giant pupils.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:16 PM (qUNWi)


It's all distraction. While it's TRUMP! 24/7 most people aren't paying attention to Madame Canquelles or the fact that the government is stealing everything that isn't nailed down (and then getting loans on all that shit in your name and stealing that too).

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 10, 2015 08:29 PM (4ErVI)

176 Future Hotness == "...and your shit's all retarded"

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:30 PM (MbrzC)

177 @Ace

"I don't really have much to say today, except the world is doomed and will not be lamented."


Portents indicates alot of blood as many peoples beliefs are about to clash with reality.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at December 10, 2015 08:30 PM (CzRJp)

178 The problem with centrifugal gravity is the coriolis force of rotating frames. Now, note this is independent of radius and depends only on the angular speed. It turns out most humans can stand up to 2RPM, with the maximum being about 7RPM.

This kicks in only when you're moving with respect to the rotating frame, but it is awful when are trying to move. When you run the numbers, you need a pretty large radius.

And you're thinking only of regular turds in space. Imagine explosive diarrhea in space. That I would not want to live through. I think I'd just open the airlock and take the coward's way out before I'd have diarrhea in zero g.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 08:31 PM (dvuhZ)

179 /adjust glasses

The Enterprise is a Constitution-class starship, sir!

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at December 10, 2015 08:31 PM (axIhh)

180 I'm worth it!

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at December 10, 2015 08:32 PM (IKE1C)

181 ...and then a step to the rii-iii-iii-iiight


Posted by: jow at December 10, 2015 08:20 PM


Put your hands on your hips.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 10, 2015 08:32 PM (pLwjI)

182 It's all distraction. While it's TRUMP! 24/7 most people aren't paying attention to Madame Canquelles or the fact that the government is stealing everything that isn't nailed down (and then getting loans on all that shit in your name and stealing that too).
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 10, 2015 08:29 PM (4ErVI)


that is a pretty good point.

Posted by: Shoey at December 10, 2015 08:33 PM (vA94g)

183 167 "At least 4 reported incidents of suspicious phone purchases across Missouri"

http://tinyurl.com/ngxgpj2

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 10, 2015 08:13 PM (ppaKI)
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Doesn't 4 strike you as odd in the same state... in the non-terrorist sort of way, like someone exploiting a 'sale'. It could be terrorist related but that seems too stupid, terrorists usually make some attempt to stay low key.... buying 60 phones at a time from 4 different walmarts in the state doesn't strike me as a good plan to stay under the wire. That said we're not always dealing with people playing with a full deck.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:26 PM (MbrzC)


Or it could just be a way to drive fear into the hearts of the kaffirs. Remember the Flying Imams?

Or, like Clock Boy, it could be a way to level accusations of "Islamophobia" against people who express concern. "What? Muslims aren't allowed to buy cellphones? Are there legal limits on how many cellphones you can buy? Hater!"

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 08:34 PM (sdi6R)

184 I think I'd just open the airlock and take the coward's way out before I'd have diarrhea in zero g.

That's cool. I'll leave it open for an extra sec and suck all that shit out with you.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 10, 2015 08:34 PM (ppaKI)

185 Put your left foot in, put your left foot out

Put your left foot in and shake it all about.

Do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around.

That's what it's all about.

Willis.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 08:34 PM (Xo1Rt)

186 Y'all are too erudite for me. Have a good night!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 08:34 PM (+eR2D)

187 Trump, TRUMP, TRUUUUMMMPPPPP!!!!

*screamy waving arms*

*camera zooms in and out quickly*

Posted by: The media at December 10, 2015 08:35 PM (4ErVI)

188 Rand Paul on with Levin. Wish he'd get move coverage (even though I disagree with him on some things).

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:35 PM (MbrzC)

189 "Trump's proposal ... "
________

CNN goofed. They aired what Donald Trump actually said, allowing me to make my own judgment.

Quoting (from memory, so the exact words might not be precisely what he said, and surprise! I can't find it on YouTube):

"We shouldn't allow any Muslims to come into this country until the people in Congress figure out what the hell is going on."

Trump's call to action isn't for banning Muslims; it's for Congress to come to grips with reality, from which they're all so detached. And of course, Cruz and Rubio take umbrage. They're two of the people Trump has called out.

So I agree with Trump and what I perceive to be his actual proposal -- for our government to get its collective head out of its metaphorical ass.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 10, 2015 08:36 PM (Ob6Wk)

190 Why won't you people listen to us? You h8trs. You rassists. You clinging gun totin' bucktoof Southerns. You ignorant idjits. You blue collar buffoons. You flyover fuks. You can't have an independent thought; it's impossible.

Posted by: 57% of NBC news room at December 10, 2015 08:37 PM (0O2Lr)

191 The question should be: Trump opposes letting people into the US that discrimate against women and gays, do you agree with him?

Of course, the libtards thought process is:
Christian who opposes gay marriage: Terrorist
Muslim who throw gays off of buildings: Fellow Traveler

Posted by: lymond at December 10, 2015 08:37 PM (koywJ)

192 Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 08:34 PM (sdi6R)
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Or even just a distraction for the local fbi offices for a couple days\ week tracking it down.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:37 PM (MbrzC)

193 I wonder what the protocol is for other bodily fluids. You know the guys up on the ISS for 6 month stints just have to yank one out a time or two.

There's got to be some protocol for that. Imagine motoring around and running smack into some blob of loose semen floating around. Right in the face. Hmm, some might like that...

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 08:38 PM (dvuhZ)

194 The only thing required for Space travel and Mars colonization is the hardware to transport resources efficiently and the critical resources on the other end to self sustain after a reasonable period. One could look at the Reagan era space weapons as an attempt by the head-cheeses on Earth to push back against the head-cheeses in space. The whistle-blowers know what they saw and also what they did. But the explanations are probably just a cover story.

McKinnon said, "the names started with U.S.S."
So what? Could stand for Uranus Space Service.

The real bosses are probably short and green.

Posted by: could be at December 10, 2015 08:38 PM (PGh+Q)

195 We've gone past the Twilight Zone and beyond The Outer Limits.

We're now entering the Really Stupid Shit Nebula.

A warp caused by too many lefty brains thinking opposite but equal thoughts while arguing right wingers who (some say) are still in the last century.

We don't even speak the same language anymore.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 08:38 PM (Xo1Rt)

196 bring your knees in tiii-iiight

Posted by: jow at December 10, 2015 08:39 PM (1pRZc)

197 So I agree with Trump and what I perceive to be his
actual proposal -- for our government to get its collective head out of
its metaphorical ass.

Posted by: FireHorse at December 10, 2015 08:36 PM (Ob6Wk)

But it is unconstitutional to punish muslims by not letting them come into the country just because of a bunch of asshats in government.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 08:40 PM (T78UI)

198 So the question (IF the box above the numbers is the actual question),
says only "Do you support Trump's proposal to bar Muslims from entering
the country." asked 1000 adults

Most that only have heard the
outrage are gong to say no, some even if they agree since they don't
want to sound racist/bigoted. And as vicious as people are getting,
maybe it's not a pollster but a shooter looking for targets.

But
they left out "temporarily, till we figure out how to vet them, since
ISIS has promised to infiltrate the refugees", which is a pretty big
part. And Trump has already said there would be exceptions.

The
other poll that said 66% of Rs agree makes more sense, and many
prominent people have come out in favor of the general concept, with
more ideological and/or geographic terminology.

It is really the
use of "all Muslims" that got the nuts screaming "bigot". But it forced
open the discussion of the problem: "How do we divine which are the
good ones, and which will stay good?" along with "Do we want to take the
same route as Paris and London, with their openness and no go zones?"

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 10, 2015 08:42 PM (26Yu7)

199 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 08:38 PM (dvuhZ)

the good ol' every useful sock comes to mind. (so to speak)

No muss, no fuss and all fluids fully contained in a self sealing easily cleaned module. Plus it doubles as foot wear.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 08:42 PM (Xo1Rt)

200 Americans fell in love with Muslims after 9/11, just as we cheered on blacks as they burned our cities across the country in the 1960's. No way would we want to keep them out of the country for even a minute. More, more, more!

Posted by: despair at December 10, 2015 08:42 PM (VrdxH)

201 There's got to be some protocol for that. Imagine
motoring around and running smack into some blob of loose semen floating
around. Right in the face. Hmm, some might like that...


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 08:38 PM (dvuhZ)
They have acollapsible 'jack shack' they get into.
Think of it as the barrel people want to get all the way inside of.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 08:43 PM (T78UI)

202 Rock throwing dolls for pali kids seized by Israel:

https://goo.gl/qyG2vP

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 10, 2015 08:43 PM (iQIUe)

203 It's all distraction. While it's TRUMP! 24/7 most people aren't paying attention to Madame Canquelles or the fact that the government is stealing everything that isn't nailed down (and then getting loans on all that shit in your name and stealing that too).

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 10, 2015 08:29 PM (4ErVI)


You mean the giant flashy banging noisy thing everyone is looking at is a *distraction*?

*GASP*

Your metaphor is also apt if you look at interest rates, savings, debt, etc. In an attempt to make shit *look* like it's in order for the last few years of TheOneidency, they're basically *literally* mortgaging our future.

Except it's like a seventh mortgage or something.

I especially like the part where we have the lowest labor participation rate ever recorded and OH we also have low unemployment.

Maybe those stories about secret disappearances are true! Or, maybe the bureaucrats are lying, to take a more plausible example.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 10, 2015 08:43 PM (bLnSU)

204 Media's gonna love this.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-sarah-palin-just-made-a-major-trump-announcement/

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:45 PM (MbrzC)

205 Trump supporters: "This poll is invalid because it disagrees with our position."

Trump dissenters: "This poll is valid because it agrees with our position."

Trump supporters: "That other poll supporters our position, so it's valid."

Trump dissenters: "Now that poll is invalid."

95% of the country: "Do you realize how silly all that looks?"

Trump supporters and dissenters: "SHUT UP!"

Posted by: tops116 at December 10, 2015 08:46 PM (Wn+fE)

206 Given the estimates that the ultimate target for Muslim Invaders is 1 million and that at least 1% of those will be radical jihadis ready and willing to kill 10 to 15 Kaffir, do we really want to let 10,000 nut jobs free to roam in this country?

Why would we want to do that? So Merkel can't smirk self righteously at us? (while her country changes before her eyes)

Or Cameron to snark at us about how bigoted we are while Britain has been invaded for the first time in it's history (and my be the last)

Let kissy face loving eyes Trudeau and his merry band of Canadians take them all just to show us how racist we are.

Doesn't. Bother. Me. A. Bit.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 08:46 PM (Xo1Rt)

207 They have acollapsible 'jack shack' they get into.

Then they get all El Chapo.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 10, 2015 08:46 PM (FkBIv)

208 "mortgaging " - wouldn't that at least imply some intent to ever pay it back.... yeah that's not gonna happen.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:47 PM (MbrzC)

209 bring your knees in tiii-iiight


Posted by: jow at December 10, 2015 08:39 PM


It's the pelvic thru-u-sts..that really drive you insaaaaane.....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 10, 2015 08:47 PM (pLwjI)

210 Trump, TRUMP, TRUUUUMMMPPPPP!!!!

*screamy waving arms*

*camera zooms in and out quickly*


Trump turns to look over his shoulder while walking...in soooooooperrrrrrr sssssssssllllllllowwwwww mmmmmotionnnnnnnnnn...........

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:47 PM (qUNWi)

211 this incompetent foreign-seeming drifter

Heh.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 10, 2015 08:48 PM (rwI+c)

212 Palin gets it: the Trump moment is an anti-media movement.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 08:50 PM (6FqZa)

213 You know who has impeccable creases?


Aliens.

amirite?

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:50 PM (qUNWi)

214 I'm watching an old Sherlock Holmes episode (Jeremy Brett) and it's rather shocking how much smoking and brandishing of firearms there is. Can't see that happening now -- particularly the smoking, even though Holmes was a bit of a tobacco fiend in the stories.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at December 10, 2015 08:50 PM (jR7Wy)

215 So the question (IF the box above the numbers is the actual question),

says only "Do you support Trump's proposal to bar Muslims from entering

the country." asked 1000 adults



Actually, read a little further down. 1000 "adults" were asked the Islam favorability question. Only 495 "adults" were asked the Trump policy question.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 10, 2015 08:51 PM (+eR2D)

216 Palin gets it: the Trump moment is an anti-media movement.

She nails it.

I'd like to nail her.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:51 PM (qUNWi)

217 Could stand for Uranus Space Service.
The real bosses are probably short and green.
Posted by: could be


Kermit and Yoda.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 10, 2015 08:52 PM (FkBIv)

218 #256, previous thread.

"Why do Trump voters share this delusion that Donald Trump will beat Hillary?"

Morning Consult poll, 12/3-12/7:

25) 2016 General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
Asked of 2,047 registered voters
Hillary Clinton (D) 40%
Donald Trump (R) 45%
Undecided 15%

And Trump hasn't even begun to concentrate on Hillary.

Posted by: despair at December 10, 2015 08:52 PM (VrdxH)

219 And Trump hasn't even begun to concentrate on Hillary.

O M G....I hadn't even thunk it.

That's going to be worth the price of admission people.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:54 PM (qUNWi)

220 Poll:

Donald Trump recently said the Vienna is the capital of Austria, a "fact" which Adolf Hitler also held to be true. Donald Trump also holds a pen with his hand (instead of his toes or mouth) when he writes. Do you support the candidacy of Donald Trump, a person who has so much in common with Adolf Hitler?

Posted by: FireHorse at December 10, 2015 08:55 PM (Ob6Wk)

221 Sex in zero g, now that would be fun to do. Great fun would be had by all. You'd have to hang on to each other, otherwise you'd launch yourselves apart. And it's likely, what with all the torques and changes of moment of inertia of the configuration of mass distribution that was you and her, that you'd get your fool selves to tumbling.

So, I doubt free floating fucking would be too good of an idea. You'd need some tethers, or maybe free floating in a small, padded fuck shack. You can immediately reach out and stabilize yourself, and not build enough speed to crash into anything too hard.

But it would be fun to develop the protocols for it. I guarantee the first commercial venture of civilian space flight would be the porn companies filming zero-g sex. Get their best performers and let 'em develop those techniques.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 08:55 PM (dvuhZ)

222 ...and then a step to the rii-iii-iii-iiight
Posted by: jow at December 10, 2015 08:20 PM

Put your hands on your hips.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 10, 2015 08:32 PM

Good tunes, but the Meat Loaf that night was awful!

Posted by: Farmer at December 10, 2015 08:56 PM (o/90i)

223 It's the pelvic thru-u-sts..that really drive you insaaaaane.....
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 10, 2015 08:47 PM


Come on now, EVERYBODY...

Let's do the Time Warp again!
Let's do the Time Warp again!

Posted by: jow at December 10, 2015 08:56 PM (1pRZc)

224 man, I know how to party

Posted by: jow at December 10, 2015 08:57 PM (1pRZc)

225 Gravity is for humping.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 08:57 PM (qUNWi)

226 But it would be fun to develop the protocols for it.
I guarantee the first commercial venture of civilian space flight would
be the porn companies filming zero-g sex. Get their best performers and
let 'em develop those techniques.


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 08:55 PM (dvuhZ)

Not porn - SCIENCE!

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 08:57 PM (T78UI)

227 "That's going to be worth the price of admission people."

To repeat myself from earlier:

"Mrs Clinton doesn't belong in this Presidential debate. She belongs in a prison cell."

Posted by: despair at December 10, 2015 08:57 PM (VrdxH)

Posted by: Karl Rove - 2012 at December 10, 2015 08:57 PM (hudka)

229 227 218

Which poll is this? Do you have a link?

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http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/morning-consult-23281

Posted by: despair at December 10, 2015 08:59 PM (VrdxH)

230 Coulter has a good post up

http://tinyurl.com/q5qyzbe

Buck Sexton was pushing that we should choose immigrants based on whether they are good for Americans. We have no obligation to open doors to every third world zealot that would like to take part of our heritage. It is not "punishment" to some foreigner to not give them what our families fought for. They need to fight in their own country, and change their own culture, not bring their mess here.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 10, 2015 08:59 PM (26Yu7)

231 I'm watching an old Sherlock Holmes episode (Jeremy
Brett) and it's rather shocking how much smoking and brandishing of
firearms there is. Can't see that happening now -- particularly the
smoking, even though Holmes was a bit of a tobacco fiend in the stories.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at December 10, 2015 08:50 PM


Jeremy Brett! FTW!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 10, 2015 09:00 PM (pLwjI)

232 Good tunes, but the Meat Loaf that night was awful!



Posted by: Farmer at December 10, 2015 08:56 PM


ISWYDT.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 10, 2015 09:01 PM (pLwjI)

233 I don't believe the WSJ poll



If you asked people if they supported a suspension to all immigration until we examine our processing

And not name any candidate there would be huge support

Posted by: ThunderB at December 10, 2015 09:01 PM (fhB1L)

234 The "Luna Marine" books dealt with zero-G sex. The sex itself might be fun; dodging the floating knots of jizz afterward, maybe less so

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 09:04 PM (6FqZa)

235 So, I doubt free floating fucking would be too good of an idea.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 08:55 PM (dvuhZ)

==========

So, A Boy and his Dog is correct? You'd be strapped down and hooked to a milking machine in order for the human race to survive?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 10, 2015 09:05 PM (iQIUe)

236 204 Media's gonna love this.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-sarah-palin-just-made-a-major-trump-announcement/
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 08:45 PM (MbrzC)


BRB. Bunk.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 09:05 PM (sdi6R)

237 Oh, just imagine what the imaginations of the porn companies would do with the "Zero-G Cumshot".

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 09:06 PM (dvuhZ)

238 Did anyone tell Ace that the "Stupid Dum-Dum Children" article is in the sidebar twice?

Did anyone tell Ace that the "Stupid Dum-Dum Children" article is in the sidebar twice?

Posted by: mindful webworker - redundundantdantly at December 10, 2015 09:07 PM (ACs58)

239 One of my biggest complaints about invaders from the southern border is that most are functionally illiterate in their own language.

What possible benefit could they be to us here?

We have plenty of people who are barely qualified for physical labor. Some of those can't be hired because of psychological problems.

Still there are plenty of strong backs available without outsourcing foreign language speakers.

It makes no sense what's going on.

It's like monkeys are pushing buttons somewhere and our so called leaders are dancing to a tune even they can understand.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 09:07 PM (Xo1Rt)

240 234
The "Luna Marine" books dealt with zero-G sex. The sex itself might be
fun; dodging the floating knots of jizz afterward, maybe less so

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 09:04 PM (6FqZa)

Just call me Pac Man!

Posted by: Barney Frank at December 10, 2015 09:08 PM (4ErVI)

241 >>> Did anyone tell Ace that the "Stupid Dum-Dum Children" article is in the sidebar twice?

Seems fitting.

Posted by: fluffy at December 10, 2015 09:08 PM (AfsKp)

242 I just Hope that over the next 12 months that enough Change is made in the minds of all Americans that we can weather this storm and place Obama back in Chicago with his daddy Rahm Man where he belongs.....keeping people poor and promising them fantasy nonsense.

Hope and change baby....hope and change.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 10, 2015 09:08 PM (ej1L0)

243 Oh, just imagine what the imaginations of the porn companies would do with the "Zero-G Cumshot".


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 09:06 PM (dvuhZ)

Don't you know how to get a government grant - it is science.Just got to work some global warming in there.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 09:09 PM (T78UI)

244 Didn't they have a toilet with a slight vacuum to it?

Posted by: navybrat at December 10, 2015 09:09 PM (Xodlv)

245 Seriously, as to the making babies part. You do not want to have fetuses gestate, nor babies develop in anything other than 1g (+/- some small tolerance which is not really known). 1g has been pretty much a given for all the biochemical processes that have developed over the past billion years.

This is likely to be the main showstopper for human spacefaring and colonization of other planets, moons.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 09:09 PM (dvuhZ)

246 Did anyone tell Ace that the "Stupid Dum-Dum Children" article is in the sidebar twice?
Posted by: mindful webworker


The AoSHQ bylaws require at least one double post per day.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 09:10 PM (9YDUz)

247 @168 Only in America could you say you don't want people who are well known for terrorism, America-hating, anti-semitism, misogyny, and homophobia to come to your country - and be called a "bigot" for it.
Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 07:38 PM

I'm thinking this is a threadwinner. For the DAY!
Posted by: Farmer at December 10, 2015 08:27 PM (o/90i)


Well, I'm glad I checked back in - I have never been so honored by such a nomination!

Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 09:11 PM (/q6+P)

248 To give the stupid dumb dumb children their due, they did say they would accept the addition of the guys first name.

Just so the their wouldn't be a Lynch Building on campus.

Don't they have tests or something? How about learning and practicing a practical skill?

I know, I know. Silly me. Expecting a institution of learning actually causing them to LEARN something. Something useful.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 09:11 PM (Xo1Rt)

249 Good discussion here:

The Donald Trump Immigration Controversy! | Bill Whittle and Stefan Molyneux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNLnehTFanM

Posted by: despair at December 10, 2015 09:12 PM (VrdxH)

250 After We get through fcuking Mr Donald J Trump we're going get our sand eatin finds here some rather attractive goats to 'raise'.
We very multi-culitural and animal friendly kind of guys....THAT is just one of many reasons that dumb as shit donors give us money to do our good work.

Posted by: The GOPe/Muslim Coalition at December 10, 2015 09:13 PM (3ZttN)

251 @234. The protocols will require swallowing.

Posted by: rebel flounder at December 10, 2015 09:13 PM (3dOE/)

252 Theoretically, a money shot that missed would just keep going and going. Forever.

The cum shot round the world?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 09:13 PM (Xo1Rt)

253 "Gravity is for humping."


Agree. You need that friction, resistance to really rock the casbah.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 10, 2015 09:14 PM (793BB)

254 234 The "Luna Marine" books dealt with zero-G sex. The sex itself might be fun; dodging the floating knots of jizz afterward, maybe less so
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 09:04 PM (6FqZa)
---
Bucky Ballz.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at December 10, 2015 09:15 PM (jR7Wy)

255
I'm sure we can find a suitable, viable planet in the Vander Plaats Belt.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 10, 2015 09:16 PM (o98Jz)

256 So if those dumb ass students had a teacher named Lynch would they demand he be fired?
The world is descending into stupidity--but it would be racist for the world to collapse into a new dark ages.

This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends,
Not with a bang but a whimper

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 10, 2015 09:16 PM (hJrjt)

257 This is likely to be the main showstopper for human spacefaring and colonization of other planets, moons.
Posted by: publius


There was a great NatGeo article in the late '90's that described the effects of weightlessness on the human body. It was quite detailed. Bone loss, muscle loss - the heart actually starts losing mass - to say nothing of the radiation.

Humans as fleshbags will never travel outside of the solar system.

Robots or cyborgs have the only shot at it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 09:16 PM (9YDUz)

258 I keep getting the no long strings of unbroken text message no matter what I do....

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 09:17 PM (dvuhZ)

259 Whoa
Glenn Beck is killing it on Islam Megyn's show

Posted by: Yo! at December 10, 2015 09:18 PM (yp4bV)

260 Ace, if you're out there - don't let a poll bring you down, if that's what it is. You know better than to pay ANY attention to a poll that doesn't tell you the question.


Here's an assignment, if I may be so bold to suggest. It doesn't seem like ANYBODY has properly taken the Leftists and quasi-Leftists (establishment GOP) to task for having the nerve to compare Trump's overplayed ban to the Jews.

First, there's the fact that those bastards are as anti-Semitic as they come, have pretty much doomed half the Jewish population to annihilation via nuclear holocaust. Second, there's the fact that 99% of the people Trump is supposedly being so bigoted against would tell you to your face that all Jews should be killed.

Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 09:19 PM (/q6+P)

261 Well, that went through after I closed the browser and reloaded the page.

Anyway, to Burnt Toast, I'm sorry, got to stop calling it "porn" and say science. Science. Science, science, science, dammit. You suppose we could get a YUGE grant to hire some of the top, porn--uh science stars, and do all sorts of "experiments" with them? I'm not all that good at bullshitting, though, to write up the proposal. I'd need some help there.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 09:21 PM (dvuhZ)

262 Whoa
Glenn Beck is killing it on Islam Megyn's show
Posted by: Yo! at December 10, 2015 09:18 PM (yp4bV)

Glen looks like Stuart Smalley.....he sounds like he has a better vetting process than the Feds though.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 10, 2015 09:21 PM (ej1L0)

263
I'm watching an old Sherlock Holmes episode (Jeremy Brett) and it's rather shocking how much smoking and brandishing of firearms there is. Can't see that happening now -- particularly the smoking, even though Holmes was a bit of a tobacco fiend in the stories.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at December 10, 2015 08:50 PM





Back in '98, Warner Brothers did limited theater showings of a bunch of their old films for their 75th anniversary. Very cool to see the old flicks in the theater.

Anyway, one of them was The Exorcist. In the early scene where Ellen Burstyn is talking to the shrink in his office, the shrink pauses the dialog to pull a cig and light up. The theater full of modern folks started laughing their asses off. You'd have thought they were watching a Marx Bros film.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 10, 2015 09:22 PM (o98Jz)

264 245 Seriously, as to the making babies part. You do not want to have fetuses gestate, nor babies develop in anything other than 1g (+/- some small tolerance which is not really known). 1g has been pretty much a given for all the biochemical processes that have developed over the past billion years.

This is likely to be the main showstopper for human spacefaring and colonization of other planets, moons.

------------

^^This.^^

#1 NASA is retarded for refusing to investigate simulated gravity via rotating structures. They say it has problems, but won't try to overcome them. Instead they keep repeating the same experiments with astronauts in zero-gee we've been doing for 50 years. We already know the results. They're bad. Try something else.

#2 Even if we had warp drive, the range of planets we could live on comfortably is limited, probably to 0.8 - 1.2 the diameter of the earth. Too small, and you get low gravity effects like bone loss, muscle deterioration, swelling head. (We don't actually know if we could live on either the moon or Mars without exercising 2 hours/day to stay healthy. NASA has never done the experiments, though it could have.) Too large, and the gravity becomes oppressive. Our muscles, bones and joints aren't built for the stress, and we'd see the same problems as women in the military - stress fractures, etc.

Posted by: despair at December 10, 2015 09:24 PM (VrdxH)

265 "This is likely to be the main showstopper for human spacefaring and colonization of other planets, moons. "



Interesting point. As you and weft point out the human body has evolved, and its functions, in a gravity environment. Kinda used to it.


Take that away and the human body starts to respond in some not so common ways.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 10, 2015 09:25 PM (hnG++)

266 It's a Klingon probe, Captain.

Posted by: Snowflake Sulu at December 10, 2015 09:25 PM (Dwehj)

267 Anyway, one of them was The Exorcist. In the early scene where Ellen Burstyn is talking to the shrink in his office, the shrink pauses the dialog to pull a cig and light up. The theater full of modern folks started laughing their asses off. You'd have thought they were watching a Marx Bros film.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur


It's only recently that I've watched Planet of the Apes from beginning to end.

The first sequence is the astronauts in the ship. Ol' Chuck is sitting at the controls and he lights up a ciggie. I bust out laughing every time now.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 09:25 PM (9YDUz)

268 You know, maybe I just thought of why Trump has made this risky move. I was inspired by seeing some new Fox polls. (From pre-ban).

He needs to peel off his competitors. The most vulnerable is probably Carson, who has no business being in the race in the first place. These are the people who are pissed off at the establishment GOP, for good reason, but don't feel Trump is religious enough. Maybe Trump thinks he can peel off the anti-Muslim sentiment that Carson has in his pocket.

With Carson out of the way, Trump goes to about 50%, and can chill out a bit on this kind of stuff. With the rest of the field in his dust, he's on his way to the WH.

Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 09:26 PM (/q6+P)

269 You suppose we could get a YUGE grant to hire some of the top, porn--uh science stars, and do all sorts of "experiments" with them?

Such as Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 10, 2015 09:26 PM (FkBIv)

270 264
the range of planets we could live on comfortably is limited, probably to 0.8 - 1.2 the diameter of the earth.

Posted by: despair at December 10, 2015 09:24 PM (VrdxH)


I would think that evolution would come into play. After many generations, humans living on low gravity vs. high gravity planets would tend to diverge.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 09:27 PM (sdi6R)

271 Is there anything in here about me? Because, if there is, fuck you! Fuck you ALL!!

Posted by: President Bitchy Girl at December 10, 2015 09:27 PM (EDYaR)

272 264,

We should build artificial habitats.

Using them the Solar System can easily support trillions of people.

Thinking about colonizing other worlds orbiting other stars is a sign we are a very young species.

Posted by: eman at December 10, 2015 09:28 PM (MQEz6)

273 Space: the final unsafe frontier.

Posted by: Snowflake Sulu at December 10, 2015 09:29 PM (Dwehj)

274 It's all sort of low-level problems as well. Did you know that your immune system doesn't function properly in zero-g. All that complicated mess of signalling and immune cells doing this and that gets fucked up. They noticed that people seemed to get sick (colds and the like) in space from the very beginning. They didn't know if it was really some effect of the environment or something else.

But it turns it out is that immune system malfunction.

And 1/3 g, like on Mars, and certainly 1/6g on the Moon will not be enough. For long term stays on either, we're going to need artificial g there as well. And lots of radiation shielding. Habitats buried under meters of local soil.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 09:29 PM (dvuhZ)

275 You suppose we could get a YUGE grant to hire some of the top, porn--uh science stars, and do all sorts of "experiments" with them?

Such as Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 10, 2015 09:26 PM (FkBIv)


Yecchh! That rendezvous leaves quite a lot to be desired.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 10, 2015 09:29 PM (k9qR4)

276 @168 Only in America could you say you don't want people who are well known for terrorism, America-hating, anti-semitism, misogyny, and homophobia to come to your country - and be called a "bigot" for it.
Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 07:38 PM
I'm thinking this is a threadwinner. For the DAY!
Posted by: Farmer at December 10, 2015 08:27 PM (o/90i)

Well, I'm glad I checked back in - I have never been so honored by such a nomination!
Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 09:11 PM

I don't know that such a nomination has ever been made. Maybe.

But I thought that post was so on target it deserved it. Now if our elected "betters" could see it as clear as we do it'd be great.

Posted by: Farmer at December 10, 2015 09:29 PM (o/90i)

277 thanks Dangergirl ... 495 "respondents", whatever that means.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 10, 2015 09:30 PM (26Yu7)

278 though Holmes was a bit of a tobacco fiend in the stories.

Posted by: All Hail Eris

I thought he liked the opium, too

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2015 09:31 PM (fBkaR)

279 "After many generations, humans living on low gravity vs. high gravity planets would tend to diverge."


Could they survive and reproduce fast enough, and could evolution work fast enough, for that to happen?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 10, 2015 09:31 PM (B5Mek)

280 233 I don't believe the WSJ poll

WSJ has been amnesty/immigration central for a very long time. They can't be trusted on this issue - unless they agree with us.

Posted by: despair at December 10, 2015 09:32 PM (VrdxH)

281 These are the voyages of the Prez'nit Toonces mega-bus.

Posted by: Snowflake Sulu at December 10, 2015 09:32 PM (Dwehj)

282 Ace got a nice shout out from Mollie H in the Federalist link in side bar.

Mollie, you seem like a nice gal. But, you must have a lot of self hate as well

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 10, 2015 09:32 PM (voOPb)

283 I need something to pick up my spirits. We need another live blogging of a sharknado or some such TV event.

Posted by: StrawMan at December 10, 2015 09:32 PM (c2krM)

284 The original Sherlock was also a connoisseur of the nasal refreshments iirc.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 09:33 PM (6FqZa)

285 >>Such as Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson?

That will about cover the swallowing part.

Posted by: Aviator at December 10, 2015 09:33 PM (c7vUv)

286 I tell you what it will likely require: genetic engineering. We'll need to modify ourselves to be able to live in different-g environments. And that is very far in the future.

When you get to thinking about it a spacefaring species really does have to be of the Type II level. And we are still cavemen compared to that. And I don't know if we want humans to have that Type II power.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 09:34 PM (dvuhZ)

287
Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 09:26 PM (/q6+P)

Or maybe he's just pointing out the obvious ( or both).

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/thinktank/ Court-rulings-support-Trumps-Muslim-immigration-plan-.html

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BTW the Bill Whittle link is good.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 10, 2015 09:35 PM (MbrzC)

288 Could they survive and reproduce fast enough, and could evolution work fast enough, for that to happen?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 10, 2015 09:31 PM (B5Mek)


Imagine how perky dem tittays would be in low gravity. Even giant wabbly ol sacks of gravy. Methinks a whole lot of breeding would be happening, no? the larger the pool, the uh something something something yeah.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 10, 2015 09:35 PM (k9qR4)

289 When are we going to inject some seed bacteria into Venus and kick that terrarium off. In 10K years or so we might need it.

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2015 09:36 PM (fBkaR)

290 @259 "Whoa
Glenn Beck is killing it on Islam Megyn's show"



Maybe he was when you typed that, but you got me paying attention and he sounded like a conspiracy nut to me. Don't get me wrong - I watched Beck for a long time when he was on cable and feel I learned a lot. But he can also be really unhinged too.

Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 09:36 PM (/q6+P)

291 doom doom went the drums in the deep......

Posted by: the morigu at December 10, 2015 09:36 PM (GPXSX)

292 "It's all sort of low-level problems as well. Did you know that your
immune system doesn't function properly in zero-g. All that complicated
mess of signalling and immune cells doing this and that gets fucked up."

I didn't see this one coming: vision issues.

Not due to cosmic radiation, apparently. Microgravity does not agree with the human eye. Deleterious structural changes occur during long-duration orbital stays.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 10, 2015 09:36 PM (noWW6)

293 Since Holmes is a fictitious character, he's not addicted to anything.

- Pusillanimous Punctilious Pedant -

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 09:36 PM (Xo1Rt)

294 Farmer our betters can't see.,their heads are so far up thei asses

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 10, 2015 09:37 PM (voOPb)

295 No, no, no. We'll get real top of the line porn stars, and then put nerdy-girl glasses and lab coats (and well, other things underneath) and declare them to be top scientists. If you doubt it, sexist h8er! That will be our science stars.

We'll come up with a bunch of bullshit academese papers and put their names on it.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 09:37 PM (dvuhZ)

296 The Dune coloring book always amuses. Why no Naked Lunch activity book for the kiddies?

And, for the nth time, here's "Goodnight Dune" to send you off to spice-infused dreamland. Don't let the Sand Men get you!

http://goodnightdune.com/

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at December 10, 2015 09:37 PM (jR7Wy)

297 Deleterious structural changes occur during long-duration orbital stays.

Bet the pilot types hate that shit.

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2015 09:38 PM (fBkaR)

298 So, there are serious issues with the long slow Von Neumann type ships, slowly colonizing the galaxy.

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2015 09:39 PM (fBkaR)

299 I would think that evolution would come into play. After many generations, humans living on low gravity vs. high gravity planets would tend to diverge.
Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 09:27 PM (sdi6R)

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But everyone would be very uncomfortable until evolution created adaptations.

I remember a fragment of a SciFi story from decades ago. The spaceship had to accelerate at 2g for weeks to reach the point where they made their hyperspace jump. Guys had to wear special jock straps all the time to keep the strings holding their balls from breaking.

Posted by: despair at December 10, 2015 09:40 PM (VrdxH)

300 The Dune coloring book always amuses.

Honest to G-d, my parents (well, dad) got me a classic SF colouring book when I was seven - and Dune was in it.

Also Fantastic Voyage, When Worlds Collide, War Of The Worlds. Some others I can't remember as well - 2001 and I Robot, probably.

The ol' man knew his canon.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 09:41 PM (6FqZa)

301 @287


Oooh! Bill Whittle!! Time to smack myself upside the head the head for not going over THERE for a while!


I still like my theory. I "get" that most of what Trump has proposed (in an unserious way, BTW) is not only legal but NORMAL, and actually the OBLIGATION of the govt. But he left out qualifiers, as usual, such as "in certain countries" or "except US citizens travelling abroad" - that sort of thing. Why did he leave THAT MUCH out, while trying to appeal to a country that values Separation of Church and State (well, OK, conservatives are in outright DENIAL of that - but that brings us back to my theory)?

Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 09:41 PM (/q6+P)

302 No, no, no. We'll get real top of the line porn stars, and then put nerdy-girl glasses and lab coats (and well, other things underneath) and declare them to be top scientists. If you doubt it, sexist h8er! That will be our science stars.

We'll come up with a bunch of bullshit academese papers and put their names on it.


So the Fox News approach

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2015 09:42 PM (fBkaR)

303 And any fantasy fan who hasn't googled "Appendix N" needs to surrender his book-collection.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 09:42 PM (6FqZa)

304 "Even giant wabbly ol sacks of gravy. Methinks a whole lot of breeding would be happening, "



You might have had until the "giant wabbly sacks of gravy" part.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 10, 2015 09:42 PM (mZF3d)

305 I remember reading about some porn movie company already saying that they want to buy a flight on a commercial rocket for the express purpose of making a movie in space.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 09:42 PM (sdi6R)

306 Of course he could have accidentally hacked into John Ringo's character sheets for his ongoing series.

Once upon a time, the story goes, there was some official who found documents marked "top secret" in the office garbage can and tried to start prosecution against the office staff for mishandling classified information.

This was brought to a quick stop by someone who had the position to say, these document handling rules do not extend to information from the United Planetary Federation, and these are character sheets for Star Frontiers

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2015 09:42 PM (q2o38)

307 Or Cameron to snark at us about how bigoted we are
while Britain has been invaded for the first time in it's history (and
my be the last)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 08:46 PM (Xo1Rt)

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The Romans and Normans beg to disagree about that invasion thingy.

Posted by: jbarntt at December 10, 2015 09:43 PM (hM/US)

308 And, for the nth time, here's "Goodnight Dune" to send you off to spice-infused dreamland. Don't let the Sand Men get you!

I have never seen that. Awesome.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 10, 2015 09:43 PM (0NdlF)

309 I went to the link to Allahpundit.

Quite shockingly he references the issue of gay marriage. Looks like after a long while it has finally appeared on his radar screen.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 10, 2015 09:43 PM (jEIZo)

310 I remember reading about some porn movie company
already saying that they want to buy a flight on a commercial rocket for
the express purpose of making a movie in space.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 09:42 PM (sdi6R)


I thought that was done for really short shorts on the "vomit comet" simulator.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2015 09:43 PM (q2o38)

311 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 09:41 PM (6FqZa)
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I'm picturing Li'l Terlit Hobo coloring in a triffid while he snarfs down his Horlicks.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at December 10, 2015 09:45 PM (jR7Wy)

312 Why did he leave THAT MUCH out,

Populism boils down to soundbites in the end.

Lowest common denominator.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 10, 2015 09:46 PM (0NdlF)

313 I know John Ringo.

Posted by: Paul George at December 10, 2015 09:46 PM (FkBIv)

314 I think I have to run, but let me throw this in regarding the secret space stuff. I remember about 10 or so years ago, something came out where a scientist claimed that he had inadvertently discovered an effect that cancelled gravity. I noticed two things about the episode.

1) Other scientists at the time DIDN'T say "That's impossible". instead they said, "We didn't think it could be done so easily." (Huh!?!)

2) A paper by the scientist involved was suddenly withdrawn, and I have heard ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of it - or him - since.

That sounds like a pretty clear indication to me that the govt got it's hands on something surreal. Not kidding.

Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 09:46 PM (/q6+P)

315 The Romans and Normans beg to disagree about that invasion thingy.

Not to mention the Vikings. Rape, pillage, library-burnings and rape.

Some Welshmen and Cornishmen might wish to discuss the Saxons and Jutes whilst we're at it . . .

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 09:46 PM (6FqZa)

316 nood

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 10, 2015 09:47 PM (erRNA)

317 @312


But it DOESN'T sound very good to general populace. It sounds BIGOTTED!!

Posted by: Optimizer at December 10, 2015 09:47 PM (/q6+P)

318 I didn't see this one coming: vision issues.

Not due to cosmic radiation, apparently. Microgravity does not agree with the human eye. Deleterious structural changes occur during long-duration orbital stays.

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Oh yes. I was horrified when I heard this one. The brain swells in zero-g, and pushes on the back of the eyeballs, causing the retina to bulge inward into the interior, making any kind of focus impossible. Vision becomes permanently fubared. It does not repair itself when they come back down. And this is only after a six month stay. It only happens to a few, but I wouldn't want to be the one.

Posted by: despair at December 10, 2015 09:48 PM (VrdxH)

319 @307 Right you are. I was gonna say.
Not to mention Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes...

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 10, 2015 09:48 PM (xq1UY)

320 Yeah, I was about to say I thought I remembered some porn company had already rented out time on the vomit comet.

Of course, we'd have a problem. In zero-g, all the fluid in the legs, kept there by gravity, and this something normal our systems are used to, pools in the trunk. The legs get spindly looking and the trunk gets bloated. All this extra fluid is presented to the kidneys and you start having to pee a lot until a new equilibrium is reached.

So that might not look too good. Our hotties would turn into little butterballs.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 09:48 PM (dvuhZ)

321 Eris: I vaguely remember using orange and red to colour in the War Of The Worlds page

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 09:48 PM (6FqZa)

322 I know John Ringo.
Posted by: Paul George


Look, darling, Johnny Ringo. The deadliest pistoleer since Wild Bill, they say. What do you think, darling? Should I hate him?

Posted by: Doc Holliday at December 10, 2015 09:48 PM (9YDUz)

323
Not to mention the Vikings. Rape, pillage, library-burnings and rape.

Some Welshmen and Cornishmen might wish to discuss the Saxons and Jutes whilst we're at it . . .


The Muslims hate the Jutes.

Posted by: StrawMan at December 10, 2015 09:49 PM (c2krM)

324 Posted by: jbarntt at December 10, 2015 09:43 PM (hM/US)

What I was thinking was the first land based invasion.

The others were water based.

They should never have built the Chunnel.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 10, 2015 09:53 PM (Xo1Rt)

325 g'night, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 10, 2015 09:58 PM (4RlNs)

326 http://tinyurl.com/qe3dme9

BOLO -- Missing Afghan Refugee Peaceful Religionist Trainees Still On Loose.

Pics, which should be memorized.

Posted by: taqiyyologist at December 10, 2015 09:58 PM (NCh45)

327 Who could ever have guessed that a thread about space travel on an AoSHQ thread would devolve into discussions about zero-G sex?

I did not see that coming.

Posted by: mindful webworker - shocked. Shocked! at December 10, 2015 09:59 PM (ACs58)

328 I did not see that coming.

Floating fluids hitting one's cornea tends to do that.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2015 10:06 PM (6FqZa)

329 New, just-released, Morning Consult poll has him beating Hillary by five points in the general election, and also leading the primary. So, if people disagree with him on a Muslim immigrant ban, they don't disagree with him enough to care.

My guess is that most actually *do* agree with him, but won't tell pollsters that.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at December 10, 2015 10:08 PM (RPsRI)

330 I work with people in the 50-70 years age group and it is frustrating how many print out documents you email to them, and even emails. They don't seem to have noticed how good computer screens are, and you can zoom in! Another Hillary thing, someone pointed out there doesn't seem to be a lot of work going on when Hill's Sec Stat, at least from emails.

Posted by: bruce at December 10, 2015 10:55 PM (M+/pj)

331 "My guess is that most actually *do* agree with him, but won't tell pollsters that."

Yeah, they want plausible deniability, even his critics, because they're so steeped in liberal bunk about "it's fascist!", except when Christians do anything then it isn't fascist (remember the rule, son!).

Posted by: bruce at December 10, 2015 10:58 PM (M+/pj)

332 Sorry, I meant it isn't "fascist" for the govt. to crack down hard on anything Christians do. Only others.

Posted by: bruce at December 10, 2015 11:00 PM (M+/pj)

333 No such thing as an Enterprise-class space battleship.

An NX-class, a Constitution-class, an Excelsior-class, an Ambassador-class, a Galaxy-class, and a Sovereign-class, sure.

But no Enterprise-class.

Posted by: Demosthenes at December 11, 2015 01:43 AM (9V0rz)

334 Ace didn't believe the polls that said Obama would win, twice

Posted by: Righter at December 11, 2015 07:57 AM (Y6XuZ)

335
We're not building Enterprise-class space battleships.

That's because they're Imperial Star Destroyers. When the I establish the Sith Empire of America, Putin, China, and Iran will get their nutsacks cut off and shoved down their throats...

Posted by: I R A Aggie at December 11, 2015 10:00 AM (1hM1d)

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