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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 12:11 PM (qh617)
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 12:11 PM (qh617)
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Church?
Posted by: Golfman at April 26, 2015 12:17 PM (pSiRM)
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So what is the purpose of the borosilicate rounds? The only thing I can think of is crowd control, and that would be a lot of broken ribs.
Posted by: joncelli at April 26, 2015 12:20 PM (ENczY)
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2nd Ypres was NOT the first use of poison gas. The Krauts had used gas on the Eastern Front against the Ruskies but they attacked on a cold day which took most of the punch out of the gas. The Ruskies barely noticed and didn't consider it important enough to tell their allies about.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:23 PM (u1IJc)
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Some one commented here the other week which made me ask, what happened to Rasputin's children? I thought he had a lot of kids, and maybe he did, but he had 3 legitimate ones by his wife - 2 girls and a boy. I can only find info on one of the girls. She married a skunk confidence man who stole from people. He died and she joined the circus. She arrived in Florida in 1940 where her circus went belly up. She was going to be deported but married to an American. She did go to work in the defense factories and did so until the late 50s. She moved to LA and lived a few blocks from me. Small world. There was a russian community in the area which explains the churches with the eastern orthodox cha chas.
Some one commented here the other week which made me ask, what happened to Rasputin's children? I thought he had a lot of kids, and maybe he did, but he had 3 legitimate ones by his wife - 2 girls and a boy. I can only find info on one of the girls. She married a skunk confidence man who stole from people. He died and she joined the circus. She arrived in Florida in 1940 where her circus went belly up. She was going to be deported but married to an American. She did go to work in the defense factories and did so until the late 50s. She moved to LA and lived a few blocks from me. Small world. There was a russian community in the area which explains the churches with the eastern orthodox cha chas.
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 12:26 PM (iQIUe)
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5 2nd Ypres was NOT the first use of poison gas. The Krauts had used gas on the Eastern Front against the Ruskies but they attacked on a cold day which took most of the punch out of the gas. The Ruskies barely noticed and didn't consider it important enough to tell their allies about.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:23 PM (u1IJc)
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Didnt some of it blow back on the krauts, too?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:23 PM (u1IJc)
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Didnt some of it blow back on the krauts, too?
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 12:27 PM (iQIUe)
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Hmmm. Wooden shoe Muslim brown shirts.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:27 PM (ifw3z)
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BB Wolf. What's the title on the Afterburner you'd mentioned?
Or, just the link, perhaps?
Thanks!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Or, just the link, perhaps?
Thanks!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 26, 2015 12:29 PM (RzZOc)
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Excellent linkage to the Holland story
Posted by: Rex Mundi at April 26, 2015 12:30 PM (Nnt42)
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She did go to work in the defense factories and did so until the late 50s.
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I heard on the radio a few days ago that the inspiration for Rockwell's famous Rosie the Riveter painting died at age 92.
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I heard on the radio a few days ago that the inspiration for Rockwell's famous Rosie the Riveter painting died at age 92.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:31 PM (ifw3z)
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Ace was tweeting about secessionism last night. It might be interesting to explore that option in earnest now. Despite last November it seems ptretty obvious the current system is irreformable. We can sell the left on it by pointing out that they can implement their utopia much more easily with us out of the way.
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 26, 2015 12:34 PM (XrHO0)
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Gee, I didnt know that was a Rockwell painting. I admit some of his art makes my eyes tear up.
Gee, I didnt know that was a Rockwell painting. I admit some of his art makes my eyes tear up.
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 12:36 PM (iQIUe)
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Bruce J., that's wild - Rasputin's daughter lived in LA? Amazing.
There's a Rosie The Riveter national something-or-other in the east SF bay area, near Richmond (site of many shipyards) - I think I asked CBD or someone once about it, word was it was partly poisoned with revisionist/PC crap, but still worth stopping to see. Anyone confirm or amend that assessment?
Will stop sometime when I'm passing through on north to wine country etc., if it's not too offensive.
There's a Rosie The Riveter national something-or-other in the east SF bay area, near Richmond (site of many shipyards) - I think I asked CBD or someone once about it, word was it was partly poisoned with revisionist/PC crap, but still worth stopping to see. Anyone confirm or amend that assessment?
Will stop sometime when I'm passing through on north to wine country etc., if it's not too offensive.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 12:36 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 12:37 PM (iQIUe)
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We don't shoot any glass rounds. They give us "gummy bear" projectiles. I gotta run, it's inspection today and I haven't polished my red high heels.
Posted by: Fabulous Grunt at April 26, 2015 12:37 PM (cCxiu)
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The Baltimore rioting videos are starting to appear on YouTube. The violence is getting closer to DC. Maybe once it hits there someone will finally ask about our immigration policy -- Gee is it a good idea to import a couple hundred thousand angry men from the mid-east and Somalia?
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 26, 2015 12:38 PM (xQX/f)
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Think about how hard it will be to pull back after that mayor of Holland leaves office. By then the salafist patrols may be too powerful and entrenched in their neighborhoods. It's like allowing gangs to patrol their neighborhoods to enforce their brand of order and justice.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2015 12:39 PM (2TN4k)
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Didnt some of it blow back on the krauts, too?
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Early in the war they just opened gas cannisters and relied on the wind to deliver it. Changes in the wind could be deadly.
Later they became much more sophisticated. At the March 21st 1918 "Kaiser's Battle", the Germans began with a short but intense artillery barrage including both high explosive and gas. They began with an itch gas intended to get the English to remove their gas masks then switched real poison gas.
Incidentally, our friends the Krauts also introduced the flamethrower.
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Early in the war they just opened gas cannisters and relied on the wind to deliver it. Changes in the wind could be deadly.
Later they became much more sophisticated. At the March 21st 1918 "Kaiser's Battle", the Germans began with a short but intense artillery barrage including both high explosive and gas. They began with an itch gas intended to get the English to remove their gas masks then switched real poison gas.
Incidentally, our friends the Krauts also introduced the flamethrower.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:39 PM (folFT)
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 12:39 PM (MQEz6)
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Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 12:36 PM (afQnV)
A few years ago, they put up a memorial to the Abe Lincoln Brigades in SF but the anarchists were always vandalizing it. LOL
A few years ago, they put up a memorial to the Abe Lincoln Brigades in SF but the anarchists were always vandalizing it. LOL
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 12:39 PM (iQIUe)
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"We can sell the left. . ."
Uh. no. The left won't let us out from under their thumb. They need slaves to work the fields , the factory floor and the mines, and there would be an argument over boundaries. One thing the left will not accept is boundaries.
Uh. no. The left won't let us out from under their thumb. They need slaves to work the fields , the factory floor and the mines, and there would be an argument over boundaries. One thing the left will not accept is boundaries.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 12:40 PM (g0ccF)
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Did a hamster just chew up our comments?
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 26, 2015 12:40 PM (AVEe1)
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Nobody around?
Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2015 12:40 PM (mGBKM)
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Quiet cloudy day here--perfect for exercising the black powder guns. Which is on the schedule.
Going to shoot both Colts,the Remington, and the Rogers and Spencer. All of them need the exercise.
Quiet cloudy day here--perfect for exercising the black powder guns. Which is on the schedule.
Going to shoot both Colts,the Remington, and the Rogers and Spencer. All of them need the exercise.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2015 12:40 PM (jeCnD)
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>>Maybe once it hits there someone will finally ask about our immigration policy --
I haven't been following this story - I assumed it was locals rioting? Was it an immigrant who was killed by the police or have they just joined in the action similar to CAIR and Palestinians joining the Ferguson protest movement?
I haven't been following this story - I assumed it was locals rioting? Was it an immigrant who was killed by the police or have they just joined in the action similar to CAIR and Palestinians joining the Ferguson protest movement?
Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2015 12:41 PM (2TN4k)
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Thread looked blank to me,than all the posts appeared when I posted.Weird.
Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2015 12:41 PM (mGBKM)
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Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 26, 2015 12:40 PM (AVEe1)
No. It was some idiot with a stupid nic who thinks he understands 1990s era blogging software.
No. It was some idiot with a stupid nic who thinks he understands 1990s era blogging software.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 26, 2015 12:41 PM (Zu3d9)
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"We can sell the left on it by pointing out that they can implement their utopia much more easily with us out of the way.
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 26, 2015 12:34 PM (XrHO0)"
It won't be an easy sell. The Left has won. They have no organized opposition. (Fuck the GOP.) They won't consider a negotiation until the bullets start flying. At them.
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 26, 2015 12:34 PM (XrHO0)"
It won't be an easy sell. The Left has won. They have no organized opposition. (Fuck the GOP.) They won't consider a negotiation until the bullets start flying. At them.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 26, 2015 12:42 PM (QRz0C)
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"One thing the left will not accept is boundaries."
Who are you kidding? They don't accept anything that doesn't originate in their own fevered imaginations. Once they start accepting compromises, the rage-fuel upon which they rely begins to diminish. This is why they keep pushing further out to bizarre extremes.
Fortunately, they have no choice but to accept short, controlled bursts. Nonreturnable gifts, those are.
Who are you kidding? They don't accept anything that doesn't originate in their own fevered imaginations. Once they start accepting compromises, the rage-fuel upon which they rely begins to diminish. This is why they keep pushing further out to bizarre extremes.
Fortunately, they have no choice but to accept short, controlled bursts. Nonreturnable gifts, those are.
Posted by: Apostate at April 26, 2015 12:44 PM (4pWO0)
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A few years ago, they put up a memorial to the Abe Lincoln Brigades in SF but the anarchists were always vandalizing it. LOL
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Firm grasp on history.
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Firm grasp on history.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:44 PM (23VaF)
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Among the problems with secession is that the idiots control most of nice coastal areas. It would be intolerable to me to cede these gorgeous parts of the country to the least worthy citizens. Even though their hammer-lock on these areas is probably unassailable, in my lifetime.
The most dangerous combination in America has proven the mix of (at least some sort of) entrepreneurial talent along with a complete absence of American sensibility, civic knowledge, or (often) character.
Thus the tech zillionaires who are hostile to true diversity and social freedom, alien creatures with no apparent interest in America's greatest treasure (const. rule of law), religious impulses confined to bogus/unscientific "environmentalism", and shameless rent-seeking instincts that left unchecked will wreck society (corporatist government, mass immigration that gives them short-term benefit while damaging the rest of society, etc.).
The most dangerous combination in America has proven the mix of (at least some sort of) entrepreneurial talent along with a complete absence of American sensibility, civic knowledge, or (often) character.
Thus the tech zillionaires who are hostile to true diversity and social freedom, alien creatures with no apparent interest in America's greatest treasure (const. rule of law), religious impulses confined to bogus/unscientific "environmentalism", and shameless rent-seeking instincts that left unchecked will wreck society (corporatist government, mass immigration that gives them short-term benefit while damaging the rest of society, etc.).
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 12:45 PM (afQnV)
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We can sell the left on it by pointing out that they can implement their utopia much more easily with us out of the way.
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 26, 2015 12:34 PM (XrHO0)
No they can't. They need the money that working people pay to the state in the form of taxes and other fees in order for them to attempt to create their utopia. With the way California is going after farmers and farmland, that place will be Zimbabwe West pretty damn soon, if not already. No, the proggies will never let anyone secede. They would no longer be able to control those who walked away. What would be the fun in that?
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 26, 2015 12:34 PM (XrHO0)
No they can't. They need the money that working people pay to the state in the form of taxes and other fees in order for them to attempt to create their utopia. With the way California is going after farmers and farmland, that place will be Zimbabwe West pretty damn soon, if not already. No, the proggies will never let anyone secede. They would no longer be able to control those who walked away. What would be the fun in that?
Posted by: RickZ at April 26, 2015 12:45 PM (+3E91)
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The left will never let us go because they need us to pay the national debt.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:46 PM (23VaF)
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>>One thing the left will not accept is boundaries.
The Left is about getting other people to follow their rues - rules they don't follow themselves. So no, they would not allow secession because that would mean there are regions that are nor properly disposing of recyclables, not teaching their kids using the proper curricula, etc.
The Left is about getting other people to follow their rues - rules they don't follow themselves. So no, they would not allow secession because that would mean there are regions that are nor properly disposing of recyclables, not teaching their kids using the proper curricula, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2015 12:46 PM (2TN4k)
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Was Ace talking favorably about national divorce?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 26, 2015 12:46 PM (R8hU8)
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So they managed to destroy Baltimore too. Not much to save, but enough is enough...
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 26, 2015 12:48 PM (Bn6aD)
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. Wooden shoe Muslim brown shirts.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:27 PM (ifw3z)
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But enabled by Dutch leftards, akin to the guy who shot Pym Fortuyn. I wonder if the deepest factor in all this is simply envy. Jews are perceived as economically advantaged, hence are envied, so it's ok to target them. With Muslims, there is simply nothing to envy, so everyone's ok with them, even if that means them fouling up your country with violence, intimidation and no-go zones.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:27 PM (ifw3z)
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But enabled by Dutch leftards, akin to the guy who shot Pym Fortuyn. I wonder if the deepest factor in all this is simply envy. Jews are perceived as economically advantaged, hence are envied, so it's ok to target them. With Muslims, there is simply nothing to envy, so everyone's ok with them, even if that means them fouling up your country with violence, intimidation and no-go zones.
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 26, 2015 12:48 PM (3F6F8)
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I didn't make it through the Bill Whittle vid. (Go to youtube and search for Bill Whittle).
The people [person] he is addressing will dismiss everything he says just because he is a white racist conservative male. The left are beyond rehabilitation, and the mushy middle don't want to be bothered. The rest of us already know what Mr. Whittle is going to say. Fourth of July speeches and a parade with fireworks won't fix the problem.
The people [person] he is addressing will dismiss everything he says just because he is a white racist conservative male. The left are beyond rehabilitation, and the mushy middle don't want to be bothered. The rest of us already know what Mr. Whittle is going to say. Fourth of July speeches and a parade with fireworks won't fix the problem.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 12:48 PM (g0ccF)
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1 Bill Whittle's new After Burner....
Devastating... if you get a chance go view it...
Posted by: BB Wolf
Holy crap that was awesome, even for Whittle.
Showing it to my 9yo later this afternoon...
Devastating... if you get a chance go view it...
Posted by: BB Wolf
Holy crap that was awesome, even for Whittle.
Showing it to my 9yo later this afternoon...
Posted by: Oedipus at April 26, 2015 12:49 PM (CXLVd)
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Huh. It's remarkable how similar #29 Cloyd Freud's and #30 my comments were.
A year or two ago, the Republicans sent out a solicitation for feedback on the state of the party, what people wanted, what major problems were seen to be, etc. I told them that no one trusted them to do what they said they would do, and that they seemed too blind to notice that the entire country was quietly preparing for civil war.
People now find their neighbors' politics so odious that they would rather pack up their kids and skip the state than live beside them any longer. The last time a populace simultaneously sorted itself according to politics and armed was the Balkans in the 1990s.
A year or two ago, the Republicans sent out a solicitation for feedback on the state of the party, what people wanted, what major problems were seen to be, etc. I told them that no one trusted them to do what they said they would do, and that they seemed too blind to notice that the entire country was quietly preparing for civil war.
People now find their neighbors' politics so odious that they would rather pack up their kids and skip the state than live beside them any longer. The last time a populace simultaneously sorted itself according to politics and armed was the Balkans in the 1990s.
Posted by: Apostate at April 26, 2015 12:50 PM (4pWO0)
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The left will never let us go because they need us to pay the national debt.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:46 PM (23VaF)
But the left always says their states are the makers and the red states are the takers.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 12:46 PM (23VaF)
But the left always says their states are the makers and the red states are the takers.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 26, 2015 12:51 PM (W5DcG)
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Ace was tweeting about secessionism last night. It might be interesting to explore that option in earnest now.
Cancer cannot exist on its own, it will continue to seek us out.
Cancer cannot exist on its own, it will continue to seek us out.
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 12:51 PM (FcR7P)
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Secession can work.
The problem is no one knows what path to take.
Exile them, exile ourselves, war first, no war first, population exchange, etc.
If it happens, it will be like an avalanche.
The problem is no one knows what path to take.
Exile them, exile ourselves, war first, no war first, population exchange, etc.
If it happens, it will be like an avalanche.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 12:52 PM (MQEz6)
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Rosie was a good looking gal!
http://goo.gl/IMfqYj
Kinda has that League of Their Own thing going on doesn't she?
http://goo.gl/IMfqYj
Kinda has that League of Their Own thing going on doesn't she?
Posted by: Diogenes at April 26, 2015 12:52 PM (08Znv)
Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2015 12:52 PM (jeCnD)
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I can't see the sense of glass rounds, either. What might be interesting is slugs cast from resilient plastic or urethane rubber, embedded with as much barite as you can jam in there to give them respectable density.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2015 12:53 PM (wfUWX)
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But the left always says their states are the makers and the red states are the takers.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 26, 2015 12:51 PM (W5DcG)
Well, that's sorta kinda true. The blue states makes lots of children who will grow up to be dependent on Big Gub'mint, and all the sorrow that implies. Red states are the takers . . . of jobs.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 26, 2015 12:51 PM (W5DcG)
Well, that's sorta kinda true. The blue states makes lots of children who will grow up to be dependent on Big Gub'mint, and all the sorrow that implies. Red states are the takers . . . of jobs.
Posted by: RickZ at April 26, 2015 12:54 PM (+3E91)
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What is amazing about baseball predictions (as with other sports too) is how they quickly coalesce around a consensus, until the games actually start getting played.
And then we are treated to all the reasons why the preseason predictions were off. No one ever has to explain them, because... well, it's all silly nonsense.
I'm not sold, nor was I before the season started, on the preseason favorites: Nats, Angels, Dodgers, or Red Sox. I still don't understand why everyone was proclaiming the White Sox to be in for a great season.
The Mets have pitching. In 2015, and thereafter, until baseball decides it needs to let unfettered steroid use back in, pitching will be what wins championships.
If I were a Mets fan, which I am not, I would think there is much reason to be optimistic.
And then we are treated to all the reasons why the preseason predictions were off. No one ever has to explain them, because... well, it's all silly nonsense.
I'm not sold, nor was I before the season started, on the preseason favorites: Nats, Angels, Dodgers, or Red Sox. I still don't understand why everyone was proclaiming the White Sox to be in for a great season.
The Mets have pitching. In 2015, and thereafter, until baseball decides it needs to let unfettered steroid use back in, pitching will be what wins championships.
If I were a Mets fan, which I am not, I would think there is much reason to be optimistic.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2015 12:54 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 12:55 PM (FcR7P)
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Then please tell me, Newman, what is YOUR fix for the situation?
Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2015 12:52 PM (jeCnD)
Go Amish.
Self segregate into areas where you can be self sufficient with neighbors who agree with you. Defense in depth in a layered defense with people who are willing to participate.
Then please tell me, Newman, what is YOUR fix for the situation?
Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2015 12:52 PM (jeCnD)
Go Amish.
Self segregate into areas where you can be self sufficient with neighbors who agree with you. Defense in depth in a layered defense with people who are willing to participate.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 12:56 PM (g0ccF)
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Was Ace talking favorably about national divorce?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 26, 2015 12:46 PM (R8hU
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Yes
"this isn't america any more, I get no patriotic thrill from being part of it, or being part of its majority"
"I don't wish to hate the left any longer. Hate is an unhealthy emotion. I want them to be free to pursue their socialism as they like."
"@JustinRWalton @redsteeze i don't want to control them, I don't want to dominate them, I want to be rid of them."
"i don't want a war. I'm not in this for blood and vengeance. I want a peaceful negotiated separation @dicentra33 @Beefsteak101 @realmyiq2xu2"
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 26, 2015 12:46 PM (R8hU
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Yes
"this isn't america any more, I get no patriotic thrill from being part of it, or being part of its majority"
"I don't wish to hate the left any longer. Hate is an unhealthy emotion. I want them to be free to pursue their socialism as they like."
"@JustinRWalton @redsteeze i don't want to control them, I don't want to dominate them, I want to be rid of them."
"i don't want a war. I'm not in this for blood and vengeance. I want a peaceful negotiated separation @dicentra33 @Beefsteak101 @realmyiq2xu2"
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 26, 2015 12:57 PM (XrHO0)
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...but I wonder: can you imprint rifling on slugs (of glass or whatever) in order to get them spinning?
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 12:57 PM (FcR7P)
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The "left" is not alone the problem. In CA, for example, the vast majority of voters are hardly leftist loons, or rich coastal civic airheads (I like that, sort of sums it up). Nor are the mindless, tribal voting patterns of most non-Asian minority communities the full answer. You've got the perfect storm of self-dealing public unions (huge factor - union lobbyists have been known to order around assemblymen and senators, in their own offices, in front of their own staff - consider that image for a moment), remarkably passive and/or dumbed down educated voters who simply operate at the NPR sponge level, and yet a surviving business/entrepreneurial environment that keeps the host alive (and prosperous for a certain element).
All of this amidst the critical institutional collapses: judicial tyranny and malfeasance, disappearance of rule of law within govt. (fraudulent accounting, faithless non-execution of duty when convenient, as with Arnie/Brown not appealing the ridiculous Prop Eight ruling, etc.), a federal leviathan pushing the same stupid s**t that is so beloved of the coastal clueless.
Oh - and a GOP that makes the national GOP look like it did in 1862.
All of this amidst the critical institutional collapses: judicial tyranny and malfeasance, disappearance of rule of law within govt. (fraudulent accounting, faithless non-execution of duty when convenient, as with Arnie/Brown not appealing the ridiculous Prop Eight ruling, etc.), a federal leviathan pushing the same stupid s**t that is so beloved of the coastal clueless.
Oh - and a GOP that makes the national GOP look like it did in 1862.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 12:57 PM (afQnV)
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It was an experiment, they were doing science.
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 12:55 PM (FcR7P)
Yeah, I get that part, but the results of the experiment were pretty much a foregone conclusion. I'd say a better term would be a demonstration of why glass shotgun slugs are not particularly useful.
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 12:55 PM (FcR7P)
Yeah, I get that part, but the results of the experiment were pretty much a foregone conclusion. I'd say a better term would be a demonstration of why glass shotgun slugs are not particularly useful.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2015 12:58 PM (wfUWX)
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I'm going to the Spurs playoff game today. They're up 2-1 over the Clippers.
Young Kawhi Leonard won defensive player of the year. He is extremely talented with a great future, and it only took me three years to learn how to spell and pronounce his name.
I met his mom once, and she's very nice. She moved here with him from L.A.
Young Kawhi Leonard won defensive player of the year. He is extremely talented with a great future, and it only took me three years to learn how to spell and pronounce his name.
I met his mom once, and she's very nice. She moved here with him from L.A.
Posted by: stace at April 26, 2015 12:58 PM (CoX6k)
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Self segregate into areas where you can be self sufficient with neighbors who agree with you. Defense in depth in a layered defense with people who are willing to participate.
Isn't that what the Muslims are doing in Holland and other places?
Isn't that what the Muslims are doing in Holland and other places?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 26, 2015 12:59 PM (W5DcG)
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"I can't see the sense of glass rounds, either."
Forensically untraceable? Hell to surgically remove? Consists of different materials not easy to restrict?
Forensically untraceable? Hell to surgically remove? Consists of different materials not easy to restrict?
Posted by: Apostate at April 26, 2015 12:59 PM (4pWO0)
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53 ...but I wonder: can you imprint rifling on slugs (of glass or whatever) in order to get them spinning?
Posted by: t-bird
Federal sells Rifled Slugs for smooth-bore shotgun barrels. I may or may not have a decent stash of them.
Posted by: t-bird
Federal sells Rifled Slugs for smooth-bore shotgun barrels. I may or may not have a decent stash of them.
Posted by: Oedipus at April 26, 2015 12:59 PM (CXLVd)
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...but I wonder: can you imprint rifling on slugs (of glass or whatever) in order to get them spinning?
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 12:57 PM (FcR7P)
Well, they certainly imprint rifling on lead shotgun slugs.
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 12:57 PM (FcR7P)
Well, they certainly imprint rifling on lead shotgun slugs.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2015 01:00 PM (wfUWX)
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So Baltimore burned while Obama was serving up zingers at the nerd prom?
I pray he at least made a token appeal for calm before the entrees were served.
I pray he at least made a token appeal for calm before the entrees were served.
Posted by: Fritz at April 26, 2015 01:00 PM (ty633)
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There are people and institutions that will be very helpful if things go fully tits-up.
Find them, strengthen them, vote for them.
The good thing is these same folks and institutions might be able to prevent the upheaval (not likely, but not impossible), so your choices are good ones either way.
Find them, strengthen them, vote for them.
The good thing is these same folks and institutions might be able to prevent the upheaval (not likely, but not impossible), so your choices are good ones either way.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 01:00 PM (MQEz6)
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"Isn't that what the Muslims are doing in Holland and other places?"
And they're winning, aren't they?
And they're winning, aren't they?
Posted by: Apostate at April 26, 2015 01:00 PM (4pWO0)
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Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2015 12:54 PM (Dj0WE)
Speaking of baseball...The Royals and the White Sox game is coming up shortly. Thing is, they first have to finish the Fri. game which was called by rain in the 9th. They were supposed to do that yesterday, but THAT game was rained out.
So it should be interesting.
Speaking of baseball...The Royals and the White Sox game is coming up shortly. Thing is, they first have to finish the Fri. game which was called by rain in the 9th. They were supposed to do that yesterday, but THAT game was rained out.
So it should be interesting.
Posted by: HH at April 26, 2015 01:01 PM (Ce4DF)
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Apparently the idea behind class bullets is they self destruct on impact and don't go flying around inflicting secondary, collateral damage on innocent bystanders.
We already have bean bag rounds. Which of the two, bean bags or glass bullets produce a greater, non lethal, impact.
We already have bean bag rounds. Which of the two, bean bags or glass bullets produce a greater, non lethal, impact.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 01:01 PM (g0ccF)
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>>The Mets have pitching. In 2015, and thereafter, until baseball decides it needs to let unfettered steroid use back in, pitching will be what wins championships.
>>If I were a Mets fan, which I am not, I would think there is much reason to be optimistic.
I am a Mets fan and am amused at how wrong the "experts" have been. Anyone who remotely follows baseball knows the Mets have been quietly rebuilding for the last five or so years with a focus on young pitching and some solid to exceptional young players like d'Arnaud, Plawecki, Duda, Flores and Lagares who might just be the best defensive center fielder in baseball. They are so deep on the mound they can lose a guy like Wheeler for the season and still have arguably one of the top staffs in the league with more talent ready to hit the bigs.
I'd much rather have the Mets future than the Nats.
>>If I were a Mets fan, which I am not, I would think there is much reason to be optimistic.
I am a Mets fan and am amused at how wrong the "experts" have been. Anyone who remotely follows baseball knows the Mets have been quietly rebuilding for the last five or so years with a focus on young pitching and some solid to exceptional young players like d'Arnaud, Plawecki, Duda, Flores and Lagares who might just be the best defensive center fielder in baseball. They are so deep on the mound they can lose a guy like Wheeler for the season and still have arguably one of the top staffs in the league with more talent ready to hit the bigs.
I'd much rather have the Mets future than the Nats.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 01:03 PM (g1DWB)
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Apparently the idea behind class bullets is they self destruct on impact
and don't go flying around inflicting secondary, collateral damage on
innocent bystanders.
We already have bean bag rounds. Which of the two, bean bags or glass bullets produce a greater, non lethal, impact.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 01:01 PM (g0ccF)
Well the spray of high-velocity glass splinters from a busted-up glass slug could certainly blind a person if it hit their eyes, and would draw blood if it hit exposed skin. And given that the glass rounds tumble and fly erratically, a shot carefully aimed at Bad Guy A might easily hit Good Guy B standing behind him and off to one side.
Apparently the idea behind class bullets is they self destruct on impact
and don't go flying around inflicting secondary, collateral damage on
innocent bystanders.
We already have bean bag rounds. Which of the two, bean bags or glass bullets produce a greater, non lethal, impact.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 01:01 PM (g0ccF)
Well the spray of high-velocity glass splinters from a busted-up glass slug could certainly blind a person if it hit their eyes, and would draw blood if it hit exposed skin. And given that the glass rounds tumble and fly erratically, a shot carefully aimed at Bad Guy A might easily hit Good Guy B standing behind him and off to one side.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2015 01:05 PM (wfUWX)
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It won't be an easy sell. The Left has won. They have no organized opposition. (Fuck the GOP.) They won't consider a negotiation until the bullets start flying. At them.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 26, 2015 12:42 PM (QRz0C)
If it does start, it will be in every state, not just north and south, it will not have clear front lines. 4th gen at its best or worst. You will be fighting for liberty they will be fighting to kill you for wanting liberty. Just like the mafia there can be no leaving. But I think it has to happen anyway. Because: Liberty
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 26, 2015 12:42 PM (QRz0C)
If it does start, it will be in every state, not just north and south, it will not have clear front lines. 4th gen at its best or worst. You will be fighting for liberty they will be fighting to kill you for wanting liberty. Just like the mafia there can be no leaving. But I think it has to happen anyway. Because: Liberty
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 01:07 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 26, 2015 01:07 PM (VJb54)
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32 Among the problems with secession is that the idiots control most of nice coastal areas. It would be intolerable to me to cede these gorgeous parts of the country to the least worthy citizens. Even though their hammer-lock on these areas is probably unassailable, in my lifetime.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 12:45 PM (afQnV)
Yeah, but too bad, we'll just have to kiss the high dollar resort areas goodbye. The Gulf coast is a working coast, and a working man's coast. It ain't quite as pretty, but it's still a great place to relax with some of the best fishing, or find a good job and an affordable house.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 12:45 PM (afQnV)
Yeah, but too bad, we'll just have to kiss the high dollar resort areas goodbye. The Gulf coast is a working coast, and a working man's coast. It ain't quite as pretty, but it's still a great place to relax with some of the best fishing, or find a good job and an affordable house.
Posted by: stace at April 26, 2015 01:07 PM (CoX6k)
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Cannot foretell the future, but once again I don't see a significant chance that any of this stuff will go kinetic: violence, anything resembling any of the civil conflicts constantly referenced in these discussions.
Some people are self-sorting (CA folks moving to TX, for example, like our own IllTemperedCur, I think). Companies/institutions, too. That may ramp up. But actual conflict? Nope.
Dunno if it's a weakness of character, or a fundamental disappearance of American sensibilities, sense of independence, etc. But 95% of Americans feeling (rightly) disgusted and infringed upon by what's going on the culture and the local and national govts. will not do anything dramatic in response. They haven't so far - not the slightest indication of such - so why would it happen now?
"Goes out with a whimper", etc. In fact, the self-sorting by state only reinforces the pernicious dynamics. You think CA or NY will be more or less likely to stop their insanity on various fronts because so many right-thinking folks are decamping for FL, AZ, TX, etc.?
Some people are self-sorting (CA folks moving to TX, for example, like our own IllTemperedCur, I think). Companies/institutions, too. That may ramp up. But actual conflict? Nope.
Dunno if it's a weakness of character, or a fundamental disappearance of American sensibilities, sense of independence, etc. But 95% of Americans feeling (rightly) disgusted and infringed upon by what's going on the culture and the local and national govts. will not do anything dramatic in response. They haven't so far - not the slightest indication of such - so why would it happen now?
"Goes out with a whimper", etc. In fact, the self-sorting by state only reinforces the pernicious dynamics. You think CA or NY will be more or less likely to stop their insanity on various fronts because so many right-thinking folks are decamping for FL, AZ, TX, etc.?
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 01:08 PM (afQnV)
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@ 51
>Go Amish<
But right there, you are considering defeat. That would be a last ditch tactic that presumes that it's gone very pear shaped.
Why not start at the very basic level in the community wwhere you CAN make a difference? It all flows from this,and lacking that basic foundation, ain't no progress gonna be made.
Check the left for proof it works.
>Go Amish<
But right there, you are considering defeat. That would be a last ditch tactic that presumes that it's gone very pear shaped.
Why not start at the very basic level in the community wwhere you CAN make a difference? It all flows from this,and lacking that basic foundation, ain't no progress gonna be made.
Check the left for proof it works.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2015 01:09 PM (jeCnD)
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Yeah, but too bad, we'll just have to kiss the high
dollar resort areas goodbye. The Gulf coast is a working coast, and a
working man's coast. It ain't quite as pretty, but it's still a great
place to relax with some of the best fishing, or find a good job and an
affordable house.
Posted by: stace at April 26, 2015 01:07 PM (CoX6k)
And eventually, the Socialist Workers' Paradises on the east and west coasts will collapse into bankruptcy, and will be once again annexed by the Free States.
dollar resort areas goodbye. The Gulf coast is a working coast, and a
working man's coast. It ain't quite as pretty, but it's still a great
place to relax with some of the best fishing, or find a good job and an
affordable house.
Posted by: stace at April 26, 2015 01:07 PM (CoX6k)
And eventually, the Socialist Workers' Paradises on the east and west coasts will collapse into bankruptcy, and will be once again annexed by the Free States.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2015 01:10 PM (wfUWX)
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If I were a Mets fan, which I am not, I would think there is much reason to be optimistic.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2015 12:54 PM (Dj0WE)
The Mets lost Zach Wheeler to TJ surgery and haven't even had to reach into their AAA stash yet. You could make a pretty good bullpen out of their relievers on the DL right now; Bobby Parnell, Vic Black, Jenrry Mejia, Jerry Blevins, and Josh Edgin. There's a nice stash of pitching that has stepped in.
Also on the DL right now are 3B David Wright and C Travis d'Arnaud and they still managed an 11 game winning streak
So yeh, as a Mets fan I'm optimistic
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2015 12:54 PM (Dj0WE)
The Mets lost Zach Wheeler to TJ surgery and haven't even had to reach into their AAA stash yet. You could make a pretty good bullpen out of their relievers on the DL right now; Bobby Parnell, Vic Black, Jenrry Mejia, Jerry Blevins, and Josh Edgin. There's a nice stash of pitching that has stepped in.
Also on the DL right now are 3B David Wright and C Travis d'Arnaud and they still managed an 11 game winning streak
So yeh, as a Mets fan I'm optimistic
Posted by: kbdabear at April 26, 2015 01:12 PM (GrXXa)
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>> So Baltimore burned while Obama was serving up zingers at the nerd prom?
Ugh, "nerd prom." Over at Breitbart there's a story about a former politico reporter who has made a documentary on the 4 days of events that now comprise the WHCD and how it's an orgy or self-congratulation.
Ugh, "nerd prom." Over at Breitbart there's a story about a former politico reporter who has made a documentary on the 4 days of events that now comprise the WHCD and how it's an orgy or self-congratulation.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2015 01:12 PM (2TN4k)
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In the vid it looks like the silicate round powder upon impact rather than fragment into shards. One would have to examine the residue to be sure.
In a common scenario the targeted bad guy, known as perpetrator or suspect, would be surrounded by accomplices or enablers. Near by would be the innocent bystanders, and further from the target zone would be spectators. So missing the targeted bad guy might result in non lethal injury to an accomplice. Unless the furball is a mix of good guys trying to subdue bad guys and a shot in those circumstances would not be an optimal solution.
In a common scenario the targeted bad guy, known as perpetrator or suspect, would be surrounded by accomplices or enablers. Near by would be the innocent bystanders, and further from the target zone would be spectators. So missing the targeted bad guy might result in non lethal injury to an accomplice. Unless the furball is a mix of good guys trying to subdue bad guys and a shot in those circumstances would not be an optimal solution.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 01:12 PM (g0ccF)
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stace, The end of the playoff season was so close that everyone in the 2-6 seed is basically in their specific position by accident. Probably the Spurs should have been #2 and the Rockets at #3 if looking at relative skill. I'll admit it.
Later tonight Houston (3-0) are up against Dallas. I'm expecting a Rockets loss tonight and then for them to spank the Mavericks at home in game 5.
Later tonight Houston (3-0) are up against Dallas. I'm expecting a Rockets loss tonight and then for them to spank the Mavericks at home in game 5.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 26, 2015 01:14 PM (AVEe1)
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Self segregate into areas where you can be self
sufficient with neighbors who agree with you. Defense in depth in a
layered defense with people who are willing to participate.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 12:56 PM (g0ccF)
So...Ghettos, or Montenegro? Firebase Apache?
Remember the important once learned at Corrigidor : Without mobile outside support, the strongest fort is just a place to die.
Self segregate into areas where you can be self
sufficient with neighbors who agree with you. Defense in depth in a
layered defense with people who are willing to participate.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 12:56 PM (g0ccF)
So...Ghettos, or Montenegro? Firebase Apache?
Remember the important once learned at Corrigidor : Without mobile outside support, the strongest fort is just a place to die.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2015 01:14 PM (t//F+)
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I am a Mets fan and am amused at how wrong the "experts" have been. Anyone who remotely follows baseball knows the Mets have been quietly rebuilding for the last five or so years with a focus on young pitching and some solid to exceptional young players like d'Arnaud, Plawecki, Duda, Flores and Lagares who might just be the best defensive center fielder in baseball. They are so deep on the mound they can lose a guy like Wheeler for the season and still have arguably one of the top staffs in the league with more talent ready to hit the bigs.
I'd much rather have the Mets future than the Nats.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 01:03 PM (g1DWB)
Now may not be the time, but eventually it will be interesting to take a look at what the Nats did in the offseason, grabbing Scherzer. I don't think it made them a better team, and while he's a terrific pitcher, I think it's possible to he pushed everyone back a notch, thus harming the development of those guys.
We'll see. Still, I must admit, when it reaches that point in the year, I'll be happy to be able to say to Bryce Harper, "no ring for you!"
I'd much rather have the Mets future than the Nats.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 01:03 PM (g1DWB)
Now may not be the time, but eventually it will be interesting to take a look at what the Nats did in the offseason, grabbing Scherzer. I don't think it made them a better team, and while he's a terrific pitcher, I think it's possible to he pushed everyone back a notch, thus harming the development of those guys.
We'll see. Still, I must admit, when it reaches that point in the year, I'll be happy to be able to say to Bryce Harper, "no ring for you!"
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2015 01:16 PM (Dj0WE)
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The Gulf coast is a working coast, and a working man's coast. It ain't quite as pretty
It's also prone to hurricanes. One buys some lovely property on Crystal Beach, builds a kickass beach house and then Ike comes along and smashes it to kindling.
It's also prone to hurricanes. One buys some lovely property on Crystal Beach, builds a kickass beach house and then Ike comes along and smashes it to kindling.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 26, 2015 01:16 PM (AVEe1)
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"They haven't so far - not the slightest indication of such - so why would it happen now?"
There have been more Democratic race riots in the last 12 months than in the previous twenty years. There was an honest to God Feds-militia standoff with loaded weapons not too long ago; and people sided with the militia. Arms and ammunition sales are huge. Regular people--workaday people--talk with their friends and family about the possibility of a civil war. I've heard it.
Mix this into the general slow motion collapse of the geopolitical order at large. How would losing a war change matters?
The build up the civil war of 1861 was long and slow, and everyone saw it coming from miles away. But it closed that last distance with remarkable speed and went from a handful of states that might be coaxed back into the Union to a shooting war against twice as many in a matter of weeks.
Simply waving off the possibility because it hasn't happened yet is silly.
There have been more Democratic race riots in the last 12 months than in the previous twenty years. There was an honest to God Feds-militia standoff with loaded weapons not too long ago; and people sided with the militia. Arms and ammunition sales are huge. Regular people--workaday people--talk with their friends and family about the possibility of a civil war. I've heard it.
Mix this into the general slow motion collapse of the geopolitical order at large. How would losing a war change matters?
The build up the civil war of 1861 was long and slow, and everyone saw it coming from miles away. But it closed that last distance with remarkable speed and went from a handful of states that might be coaxed back into the Union to a shooting war against twice as many in a matter of weeks.
Simply waving off the possibility because it hasn't happened yet is silly.
Posted by: Apostate at April 26, 2015 01:18 PM (4pWO0)
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Why not start at the very basic level in the community where you CAN make a difference?
irongrampa at April 26, 2015 01:09 PM
I agree, which is why I think we might manage to muddle through. The next GOP president, and the reaction to a republican president might be the turning point. Ignoring the inflated outrage of the political activist and the news media, much as Wisconsin Gov. Walker did might well show how we can return to sane public policy by not allowing ourselves to be stampeded by the hysteria from the left.
irongrampa at April 26, 2015 01:09 PM
I agree, which is why I think we might manage to muddle through. The next GOP president, and the reaction to a republican president might be the turning point. Ignoring the inflated outrage of the political activist and the news media, much as Wisconsin Gov. Walker did might well show how we can return to sane public policy by not allowing ourselves to be stampeded by the hysteria from the left.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 01:18 PM (g0ccF)
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I can't see the sense of glass rounds
"Undetectable" Glass Bullets + Invisible "Plastic' Guns = Maximum Press Hysteria
So, useful for s-stirring, if nothing else.
I can't see the sense of glass rounds
"Undetectable" Glass Bullets + Invisible "Plastic' Guns = Maximum Press Hysteria
So, useful for s-stirring, if nothing else.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 26, 2015 01:18 PM (kdS6q)
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The Cardinals have probably lost Adam Wainwright for the season to an achilles heel tear. However, like the Mets the Cards stash a lot of young pitching to cover the loss.
Posted by: kbdabear at April 26, 2015 01:18 PM (GrXXa)
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Ruskie producer robbed by thugs (which they adore) and cops get her stuff back.
http://goo.gl/mRlYj0
How about a thank you, commie!
http://goo.gl/mRlYj0
How about a thank you, commie!
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 01:19 PM (iQIUe)
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There are two seasons, the regular and the playoffs.
The regular season usually goes to the teams with the best pitching, yes it takes defense and all, but there are only two members of the team that counts wins and losses--the pitchers and the managers.
I'll stick with the Nats in the East. It is early.
The SF Giants are on an off year.
So the Doyers in the West.
St Louis is always a threat, and Back to the Future predicts the Cubs.
The regular season usually goes to the teams with the best pitching, yes it takes defense and all, but there are only two members of the team that counts wins and losses--the pitchers and the managers.
I'll stick with the Nats in the East. It is early.
The SF Giants are on an off year.
So the Doyers in the West.
St Louis is always a threat, and Back to the Future predicts the Cubs.
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 01:20 PM (wkuqO)
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I killed the blog--retires to safe room.
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 01:24 PM (wkuqO)
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Apostate, There were several secession crises before the Solid South broke off. South Carolina in the 1830s, New England in the 1810s.
And as to the Solid South, that was a result of the Civil War and not its cause. It was the Upper North that was solid. This electoral map proves it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1856
(Scroll to the county map. When I first saw this my jaw dropped. "THIS ain't going to end well" I thought.)
Before SHTF I think we'll see swathes of county governments openly defy their wussy Republican governors first. Those governors won't know what to do and will weaken the DC-aligned party.
And as to the Solid South, that was a result of the Civil War and not its cause. It was the Upper North that was solid. This electoral map proves it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1856
(Scroll to the county map. When I first saw this my jaw dropped. "THIS ain't going to end well" I thought.)
Before SHTF I think we'll see swathes of county governments openly defy their wussy Republican governors first. Those governors won't know what to do and will weaken the DC-aligned party.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 26, 2015 01:26 PM (AVEe1)
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>>Now may not be the time, but eventually it will be interesting to take a look at what the Nats did in the offseason, grabbing Scherzer. I don't think it made them a better team, and while he's a terrific pitcher, I think it's possible to he pushed everyone back a notch, thus harming the development of those guys.
I believe Scherzer is making more than the entire Mets rotation combined and he is 1 - 2. Meanwhile, Bartolo Colon who probably weighs more than the entire Nats rotation is 4 - 0. To say I have been enjoying the first few weeks of the season would be an understatement.
>>We'll see. Still, I must admit, when it reaches that point in the year, I'll be happy to be able to say to Bryce Harper, "no ring for you!"
I always get a kick out of young, admittedly wildly talented, players like Harper who have enjoyed early success in their careers act like they invented the game. If he at least pretended he was a bit humble his act would be easier to take.
I believe Scherzer is making more than the entire Mets rotation combined and he is 1 - 2. Meanwhile, Bartolo Colon who probably weighs more than the entire Nats rotation is 4 - 0. To say I have been enjoying the first few weeks of the season would be an understatement.
>>We'll see. Still, I must admit, when it reaches that point in the year, I'll be happy to be able to say to Bryce Harper, "no ring for you!"
I always get a kick out of young, admittedly wildly talented, players like Harper who have enjoyed early success in their careers act like they invented the game. If he at least pretended he was a bit humble his act would be easier to take.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 01:26 PM (g1DWB)
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We'll see. Still, I must admit, when it reaches that point in the year, I'll be happy to be able to say to Bryce Harper, "no ring for you!"
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2015 01:16 PM (Dj0WE)
The PRECCCIOUSSSSSS!!
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2015 01:16 PM (Dj0WE)
The PRECCCIOUSSSSSS!!
Posted by: Bryce Gollum at April 26, 2015 01:30 PM (GrXXa)
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His office announced the "Restrain Steve King from Legislating Act" in a statement Friday afternoon that bashed King for his own "Restrain the Judges on Marriage Act," which King revealed on Wednesday. King's bill aims to take marriage cases out of the jurisdiction of federal courts in favor of states, a move prompted by next week's Supreme Court oral arguments on gay marriage cases.
His office announced the "Restrain Steve King from Legislating Act" in a statement Friday afternoon that bashed King for his own "Restrain the Judges on Marriage Act," which King revealed on Wednesday. King's bill aims to take marriage cases out of the jurisdiction of federal courts in favor of states, a move prompted by next week's Supreme Court oral arguments on gay marriage cases.
Posted by: Barack "Present" Obama at April 26, 2015 01:31 PM (e8kgV)
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Grilled links? I have what you need!
Posted by: Baltimore guy with the 'trashcan of fire' at April 26, 2015 01:32 PM (l3vZN)
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Bryce Harper just hits home run. Walks 22% of the time. Money ball "do i care how they get on base? NO"
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 01:33 PM (wkuqO)
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Restrain Steve King from Legislating Act
*There's* a cunning stunt, a writ of attainder. CONSTITUTION, MOTHERFUCKER; DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
*There's* a cunning stunt, a writ of attainder. CONSTITUTION, MOTHERFUCKER; DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 26, 2015 01:33 PM (AVEe1)
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Something that mystifies me is that with the building pressure on the right is why someone has not just snapped and gone ballistic.
The restraint shown is astonishing.
And very gratifying, have to admit. Especially if, as I am, you're a proponent of solving the problem politically.
Something that mystifies me is that with the building pressure on the right is why someone has not just snapped and gone ballistic.
The restraint shown is astonishing.
And very gratifying, have to admit. Especially if, as I am, you're a proponent of solving the problem politically.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2015 01:33 PM (jeCnD)
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Migawd, such a huge push for Fremont. Man was a loon on the level of Custer and William Walker. "Never let a failure keep you from pushing for what you want" is a good tactic but has shortcomings as a strategy.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2015 01:34 PM (t//F+)
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Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 01:19 PM
Nice example. The mob is defiant, secure in their larger numbers. The confrontation escalates. Armed men intervene.
It doesn't necessarily end there. The aggressor sets the rules and returns later to start fires (or the police start mass arrests which might provoke more escalation). The '67 Riot in Detroit! is fairly well documented on the web.
Nice example. The mob is defiant, secure in their larger numbers. The confrontation escalates. Armed men intervene.
It doesn't necessarily end there. The aggressor sets the rules and returns later to start fires (or the police start mass arrests which might provoke more escalation). The '67 Riot in Detroit! is fairly well documented on the web.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 01:35 PM (g0ccF)
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 01:36 PM (MQEz6)
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15
Rosie was a good looking gal!
http://goo.gl/IMfqYj
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 12:37 PM (iQIUe)
A few years ago, an internet artist created an updated version of that painting featuring Sarah Palin.
https://tinyurl.com/34hxv92
I thought he did a great job. Compare the symbolism of the original vs. the new one, both of which are shown in the linked article.
Rosie was a good looking gal!
http://goo.gl/IMfqYj
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 12:37 PM (iQIUe)
A few years ago, an internet artist created an updated version of that painting featuring Sarah Palin.
https://tinyurl.com/34hxv92
I thought he did a great job. Compare the symbolism of the original vs. the new one, both of which are shown in the linked article.
Posted by: rickl at April 26, 2015 01:37 PM (sdi6R)
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Fremont is considered a complete joke here in Colorado. He got a lot of people needlessly killed. So, yeah, the Republican voter in 1856 didn't care that their party leader was an incompetent disaster. They cared that he was a Republican.
Plus ca change. . .
Plus ca change. . .
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 26, 2015 01:37 PM (AVEe1)
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>>I thnk the CA water fiasco will kick-start the avalanche.
Yeah, even though the majority is used by farms, it;s easy to imagine it becoming a class war-type issue since you have the cushy towns/neighborhoods filled w/celebrities and tech stars (with pools, more bathrooms than bedrooms, etc.) vs. the growing underclass (thanks, open borders and sanctuary cities) that will be hurting for living space as well as water and power.
Yeah, even though the majority is used by farms, it;s easy to imagine it becoming a class war-type issue since you have the cushy towns/neighborhoods filled w/celebrities and tech stars (with pools, more bathrooms than bedrooms, etc.) vs. the growing underclass (thanks, open borders and sanctuary cities) that will be hurting for living space as well as water and power.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2015 01:42 PM (2TN4k)
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Baltimore guy with the 'trashcan of fire'
That dumb ass shoulda been at least tased. I mighta been tempted, were I a cop, to push him gently back with some mobile pb.
It's almost at the breaking point. Next stop? Washington, DC I hope. It's getting too close to me for my comfort.
That dumb ass shoulda been at least tased. I mighta been tempted, were I a cop, to push him gently back with some mobile pb.
It's almost at the breaking point. Next stop? Washington, DC I hope. It's getting too close to me for my comfort.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 26, 2015 01:44 PM (xQX/f)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDNMglEA2oQ
Bill Whittles new afterburner...
Class of 2015....
Sorry.... was out slaying shrubbery, and Terminating Topiearys...
Bill Whittles new afterburner...
Class of 2015....
Sorry.... was out slaying shrubbery, and Terminating Topiearys...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 01:45 PM (qh617)
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>>Yeah, even though the majority is used by farms, it;s easy to imagine it becoming a class war-type issue since you have the cushy towns/neighborhoods filled w/celebrities and tech stars (with pools, more bathrooms than bedrooms, etc.) vs. the growing underclass (thanks, open borders and sanctuary cities) that will be hurting for living space as well as water and power.
It won't just be limited to CA. CA produce feeds a good part of the country, when produce prices skyrocket around the country lots of people are going to feel it.
The price of arugula is going to really piss Obama off.
It won't just be limited to CA. CA produce feeds a good part of the country, when produce prices skyrocket around the country lots of people are going to feel it.
The price of arugula is going to really piss Obama off.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 01:47 PM (g1DWB)
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Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2015 01:42 PM (2TN4k)
Food prices in the nation are about to go up....
I live in the California Central Valley... many many fields are now being turned to Orchards... as they take less water...
Lots of others lie fallow....
(I ride my bike on Irrigation canals for exercise...)
Food prices in the nation are about to go up....
I live in the California Central Valley... many many fields are now being turned to Orchards... as they take less water...
Lots of others lie fallow....
(I ride my bike on Irrigation canals for exercise...)
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 01:47 PM (qh617)
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Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2015 01:42 PM (2TN4k)
Half of CA's fresh water goes to environmental projects and the other half goes to agriculture and cities and towns.
Eighty percent of the second half goes to agriculture.
Half of CA's fresh water goes to environmental projects and the other half goes to agriculture and cities and towns.
Eighty percent of the second half goes to agriculture.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 01:47 PM (MQEz6)
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When I was 17, my family flew from Chicago to Frankfurt, Germany, and then drove to Istanbul, Turkey. During that drive, we passed through a couple of Communist countries, the last of which practically dismantled our car at the border out of their country. I wondered aloud if they were looking for drugs, and was told by a bystander "No. They're looking for people."
Commies will never let the Slav class escape.
Commies will never let the Slav class escape.
Posted by: jwpaine at April 26, 2015 01:48 PM (0bXhD)
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Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 01:47 PM (g1DWB)
Oh.... and there is a DIRECT correlation in history, between spikes in Food Prices....
and Revolution....
Which could be why the Federal Government and US Army just conducted what are essentially anti insurgency Training Ops, in the Continental US.
Oh.... and there is a DIRECT correlation in history, between spikes in Food Prices....
and Revolution....
Which could be why the Federal Government and US Army just conducted what are essentially anti insurgency Training Ops, in the Continental US.
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 01:48 PM (qh617)
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Nope, no kinetic civil war. Very remote possibility, so dismissing it is just playing the odds, not being silly.
Water problem in CA starting the avalanche? Don't see it.
The existing agricultural interests historically dependent on transported water (west side of central valley, other areas) have already been devastated. Note that in the 2010 national wave election (the Wave With No Consequences, Part I), districts with unemployment approaching 40% (yes, that's forty) all returned all of their state and federal incumbents. If you are agog at the broken linkages at the national level between governance realities and electoral outcomes, you won't even believe CA.
Ag is still big $$$, but ..... nothing compared to the coastal sectors. And while a few old-school rural Dems still exist (I swear I'm not making that up, they even - hold me - constitute part of the over-whelmed legislative bloc that is not batshit idiotic on gun stuff), the ag areas are mostly GOP, and thus of no importance politically (recall not a single state-wide office is held by the GOP in CA).
The coastal urban areas may finally be forced to do what should have been done long ago - recapture/recycling alone will give many populous coastal areas a reprieve from true crisis for years to come, if they are implemented. Reasonable conservation measures, changes in usage patterns (low-water landscaping), some desalination, will probably get done, now, thanks to the supply problem.
So with water, unlike education, public finance, and other things, actual answers are available that may be implemented. Long over-due things. In education, the outrageous collapse and social segregation of public education will continue, just as in public finance, the fraudulent accounting and mismanagement will continue.
Water problem in CA starting the avalanche? Don't see it.
The existing agricultural interests historically dependent on transported water (west side of central valley, other areas) have already been devastated. Note that in the 2010 national wave election (the Wave With No Consequences, Part I), districts with unemployment approaching 40% (yes, that's forty) all returned all of their state and federal incumbents. If you are agog at the broken linkages at the national level between governance realities and electoral outcomes, you won't even believe CA.
Ag is still big $$$, but ..... nothing compared to the coastal sectors. And while a few old-school rural Dems still exist (I swear I'm not making that up, they even - hold me - constitute part of the over-whelmed legislative bloc that is not batshit idiotic on gun stuff), the ag areas are mostly GOP, and thus of no importance politically (recall not a single state-wide office is held by the GOP in CA).
The coastal urban areas may finally be forced to do what should have been done long ago - recapture/recycling alone will give many populous coastal areas a reprieve from true crisis for years to come, if they are implemented. Reasonable conservation measures, changes in usage patterns (low-water landscaping), some desalination, will probably get done, now, thanks to the supply problem.
So with water, unlike education, public finance, and other things, actual answers are available that may be implemented. Long over-due things. In education, the outrageous collapse and social segregation of public education will continue, just as in public finance, the fraudulent accounting and mismanagement will continue.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 01:49 PM (afQnV)
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Half of CA's fresh water goes to environmental projects and the other half goes to agriculture and cities and towns.
Eighty percent of the second half goes to agriculture.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 01:47 PM (MQEz6)
Infuriating, isn't it? We're getting all the ear banging and restrictions re water usage, while half of the water is intentionally wasted on the effing delta smelt.
Eighty percent of the second half goes to agriculture.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 01:47 PM (MQEz6)
Infuriating, isn't it? We're getting all the ear banging and restrictions re water usage, while half of the water is intentionally wasted on the effing delta smelt.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 26, 2015 01:50 PM (oKE6c)
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Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 01:49 PM (afQnV)
Solutions to the CA water crisis won't be implemented because the folks who caused it in the first place would have to do it.
Solutions to the CA water crisis won't be implemented because the folks who caused it in the first place would have to do it.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 01:54 PM (MQEz6)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 26, 2015 01:50 PM (oKE6c)
The Delta Smelt is as important as your children...perhaps more so.
The Delta Smelt is as important as your children...perhaps more so.
Posted by: Peter Singer PhD at April 26, 2015 01:54 PM (Zu3d9)
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"It's getting too close to me for my comfort."
Hope it doesn't get closer. I've been through riots, and it's not fun. I wasn't afraid, but depressed watching what was happening. Plus every damn store is closed, so you can't buy anything.
So word to the wise. Look at an impending riot as you would a major snow-storm and stock up.
Hope it doesn't get closer. I've been through riots, and it's not fun. I wasn't afraid, but depressed watching what was happening. Plus every damn store is closed, so you can't buy anything.
So word to the wise. Look at an impending riot as you would a major snow-storm and stock up.
Posted by: HH at April 26, 2015 01:54 PM (Ce4DF)
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 01:55 PM (MQEz6)
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Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 01:49 PM (afQnV)
Yup... the 30 Billion we will waste on High Speed Rail... would go a REALLLY long way towards solving the water problems, if it was used for Desalination plants...
But that makes too much sense for California...
Yup... the 30 Billion we will waste on High Speed Rail... would go a REALLLY long way towards solving the water problems, if it was used for Desalination plants...
But that makes too much sense for California...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 01:55 PM (qh617)
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Just got back from the Church of the Poison Mind. Hell of a sermon!
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 26, 2015 01:55 PM (Dwehj)
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Food prices WILL skyrocket? How about "have"?
OK, so that lime price thing last year (50 cents a piece? whuh?) had a narrow supply-based cause (some citrus disease, and - apparently - cartel activity, in the principal Mexican growing region). What explains the price of bell peppers? $1.50 a piece? whuh? The price of produce, in CA cities, has surely never been at current levels (all adjustments made) in the post-war era.
Don't care what the CPI-U numbers say, food prices inflated in the last few years by far the most they have in my lifetime. In fact, aside from meat, most of my life I haven't really even LOOKED at food prices.
But consider. In a few years, gas prices doubled (from the end of Dubya's term through the first two years of the affirmative action intern). Did I miss the riots and civil conflict? (crickets) DOUBLED. Place your bets as you see fit, but I'm puzzled that some think things like hyper-inflation in some consumer non-durables will provoke big changes. Twenty five years ago? You betcha. Today? Don't see it.
OK, so that lime price thing last year (50 cents a piece? whuh?) had a narrow supply-based cause (some citrus disease, and - apparently - cartel activity, in the principal Mexican growing region). What explains the price of bell peppers? $1.50 a piece? whuh? The price of produce, in CA cities, has surely never been at current levels (all adjustments made) in the post-war era.
Don't care what the CPI-U numbers say, food prices inflated in the last few years by far the most they have in my lifetime. In fact, aside from meat, most of my life I haven't really even LOOKED at food prices.
But consider. In a few years, gas prices doubled (from the end of Dubya's term through the first two years of the affirmative action intern). Did I miss the riots and civil conflict? (crickets) DOUBLED. Place your bets as you see fit, but I'm puzzled that some think things like hyper-inflation in some consumer non-durables will provoke big changes. Twenty five years ago? You betcha. Today? Don't see it.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 01:58 PM (afQnV)
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Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 01:58 PM (afQnV)
Bought potato chips lately? Family Size is now what just a couple of years ago was the normal size. Everything is shrinking.
How long before a carton of eggs become 10 instead of 12?
Bought potato chips lately? Family Size is now what just a couple of years ago was the normal size. Everything is shrinking.
How long before a carton of eggs become 10 instead of 12?
Posted by: HH at April 26, 2015 02:03 PM (Ce4DF)
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Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 01:48 PM (qh617)
It is not reality people operate by, but the appearance of reality.
Why do you think the feds have massaged the unemployment rate into it's laughable current state? So people will not think about how bad the economy truly is. They see things like "5.5% unemployment!" and think "I guess it is just here that things seem bad."
Why have they removed food from the list of things used to calculate inflation, when it should be the truest measure of cost of living?
We are in a weird period where the reality we are told is diametrically opposed to what we observe.
Is it any wonder that the people who believe in non-objective truth are in power?
This makes me think of a Star Trek episode. It is actually one of the few Next generation episodes I like. Capt. Picard is captured by the enemy and is tortured. Behind the interrogator is a bank of lights, four of them to be exact. He asks the Capt. to count them and Picard says there are four. "No, there are five." The interrogator says. Over and over during the course of the episode the interrogator asks the same question and Picard replies the same. At the end, the Capt. is rescued of course, and exclaims to the interrogator that there are four lights.
Later when talking to the ships counselor, he tells her that in reality, at the end, he actually did see five lights.
Stories like this or anything from Orwell seem scarier and scarier the longer I live.
It is not reality people operate by, but the appearance of reality.
Why do you think the feds have massaged the unemployment rate into it's laughable current state? So people will not think about how bad the economy truly is. They see things like "5.5% unemployment!" and think "I guess it is just here that things seem bad."
Why have they removed food from the list of things used to calculate inflation, when it should be the truest measure of cost of living?
We are in a weird period where the reality we are told is diametrically opposed to what we observe.
Is it any wonder that the people who believe in non-objective truth are in power?
This makes me think of a Star Trek episode. It is actually one of the few Next generation episodes I like. Capt. Picard is captured by the enemy and is tortured. Behind the interrogator is a bank of lights, four of them to be exact. He asks the Capt. to count them and Picard says there are four. "No, there are five." The interrogator says. Over and over during the course of the episode the interrogator asks the same question and Picard replies the same. At the end, the Capt. is rescued of course, and exclaims to the interrogator that there are four lights.
Later when talking to the ships counselor, he tells her that in reality, at the end, he actually did see five lights.
Stories like this or anything from Orwell seem scarier and scarier the longer I live.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 26, 2015 02:04 PM (iHjB5)
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It could be the CA water shortage, or it could be something else. I've thought for a while now that this tinderbox is just waiting for a spark.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 26, 2015 02:04 PM (QRz0C)
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If their policies worked, delta smelt would be cheap and abundant as hell in the grocery store.
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 02:05 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 02:06 PM (FcR7P)
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A nice benefit of Riots are the "fire sales" and "scratch and dent" deals you can find after they are over.
And.........
As an ex Baltimore resident I hope they burn that shit hole to the ground and torch DC when they are done.
And.........
As an ex Baltimore resident I hope they burn that shit hole to the ground and torch DC when they are done.
Posted by: The Waking Dude at April 26, 2015 02:06 PM (cCxiu)
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(huddles in corner with fellow Californians BB, Jay, eman - ?)
All I'm saying about water is that there are so many deferred, or relatively easily changed, practices/systems WRT urban water supplies, that a "crisis" can actually be eased without major disruptions. Obviously not defending the idiocy that creates the situation.
I guess one question mark I do have is what happens if the ag situation deteriorates seriously? Days gone by, I would have instantly answered "something big will have to give" (this would be stopping the waste of fresh water resources for "environmental" reasons, Delta smelt, wetlands, etc.). Today? I wonder whether even THAT concrete a disaster, with ready relief at hand, would lead to sane behavior.
If we're in one of the 200-year droughts that the geologic/proxy record tells us is not unusual for CA, then who knows.
Thanks BB for reminding me. The high-speed rail project - and its continued existence - really encapsulate all the civic degradation of the US in one tidy package. Lawlessness (bold violations of the terms of the law authorizing it), pointlessness (economic and technical), massive corruption/rent-seeking by politically connected elements, AND ..... drum roll ..... approved, specifically, by the f***ing idiot voters of CA.
All I'm saying about water is that there are so many deferred, or relatively easily changed, practices/systems WRT urban water supplies, that a "crisis" can actually be eased without major disruptions. Obviously not defending the idiocy that creates the situation.
I guess one question mark I do have is what happens if the ag situation deteriorates seriously? Days gone by, I would have instantly answered "something big will have to give" (this would be stopping the waste of fresh water resources for "environmental" reasons, Delta smelt, wetlands, etc.). Today? I wonder whether even THAT concrete a disaster, with ready relief at hand, would lead to sane behavior.
If we're in one of the 200-year droughts that the geologic/proxy record tells us is not unusual for CA, then who knows.
Thanks BB for reminding me. The high-speed rail project - and its continued existence - really encapsulate all the civic degradation of the US in one tidy package. Lawlessness (bold violations of the terms of the law authorizing it), pointlessness (economic and technical), massive corruption/rent-seeking by politically connected elements, AND ..... drum roll ..... approved, specifically, by the f***ing idiot voters of CA.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 02:07 PM (afQnV)
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I spend more on Perrier in a week than any of you will make in a year.
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 26, 2015 02:07 PM (Dwehj)
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Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 01:58 PM (afQnV)
Current price increases are noticable, but bearable.
What is the critical value for when prices switch from bearable to unbearable?
Is that number affected by other things getting worse at the same time?
I don't think the CA water crisis is going to start the avelanche simply due to increases in food prices. I think it is going to trigger a cascade of events, mis-steps, rash deeds, etc. that will get out of control.
The critical decision will be what will be done with one half of the water, the half that gets dumped.
Current price increases are noticable, but bearable.
What is the critical value for when prices switch from bearable to unbearable?
Is that number affected by other things getting worse at the same time?
I don't think the CA water crisis is going to start the avelanche simply due to increases in food prices. I think it is going to trigger a cascade of events, mis-steps, rash deeds, etc. that will get out of control.
The critical decision will be what will be done with one half of the water, the half that gets dumped.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 02:07 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2015 02:08 PM (jeCnD)
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>>Bought potato chips lately? Family Size is now what just a couple of years ago was the normal size. Everything is shrinking.
In addition to fun-sizing the contents but not the packaging (cute trick), I find that a lot of time the bulk packaged version is more expensive per oz/lb than the smaller one - playing on the assumption that bulk is always a better deal.
Also, food prices vary wildly from week to week, or from store to store, so you really have to pay attention. For example, pickles at grocery $3.99 or at Target $2.79; packaged oatmeal at grocery $4.99 or at Target for $2.49 (there are cases where grocery sale price is much cheaper than target, too). So if you're not actively comparing, following sales, it can really make a difference in the total cost. And then there's what's happened with the price of ground beef...!!!
In addition to fun-sizing the contents but not the packaging (cute trick), I find that a lot of time the bulk packaged version is more expensive per oz/lb than the smaller one - playing on the assumption that bulk is always a better deal.
Also, food prices vary wildly from week to week, or from store to store, so you really have to pay attention. For example, pickles at grocery $3.99 or at Target $2.79; packaged oatmeal at grocery $4.99 or at Target for $2.49 (there are cases where grocery sale price is much cheaper than target, too). So if you're not actively comparing, following sales, it can really make a difference in the total cost. And then there's what's happened with the price of ground beef...!!!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2015 02:08 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 26, 2015 02:09 PM (0Ef//)
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Later when talking to the ships counselor, he tells her that in reality, at the end, he actually did see five lights.
Bzzt. Wrong.
In the end, Picard says he came close to saying there were five lights just to stop the torture.
Bzzt. Wrong.
In the end, Picard says he came close to saying there were five lights just to stop the torture.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:09 PM (0HooB)
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>>But consider. In a few years, gas prices doubled (from the end of Dubya's term through the first two years of the affirmative action intern). Did I miss the riots and civil conflict? (crickets) DOUBLED. Place your bets as you see fit, but I'm puzzled that some think things like hyper-inflation in some consumer non-durables will provoke big changes. Twenty five years ago? You betcha. Today? Don't see it.
I don't see widespread violence, more of a continued crumbling of the societal norms we value in the name of progress. Probably at a more rapid pace.
Look at the crap kids are learning in school, it is significantly different than the curriculum most of us had. The next generation of snowflakes is being indoctrinated in favor of this direction and until they figure it out, if they figure it out, I don't see this ending.
I don't see widespread violence, more of a continued crumbling of the societal norms we value in the name of progress. Probably at a more rapid pace.
Look at the crap kids are learning in school, it is significantly different than the curriculum most of us had. The next generation of snowflakes is being indoctrinated in favor of this direction and until they figure it out, if they figure it out, I don't see this ending.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 02:10 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Winston Smith at April 26, 2015 02:10 PM (QRz0C)
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84 The Cardinals have probably lost Adam Wainwright for the season to an achilles heel tear. However, like the Mets the Cards stash a lot of young pitching to cover the loss.
Posted by: kbdabear at April 26, 2015 01:18 PM (GrXXa)
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Posted by: Tami at April 26, 2015 02:11 PM (v0/PR)
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I came close to saying unemployment was 5.5%
Posted by: Jean-Luc Picard at April 26, 2015 02:11 PM (FcR7P)
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The liberals can't let us go because the whole point of striving for the liberal utopia is not to actually achieve that utopia, but rather to establish the state power and force necessary to control anyone that doesn't want to be part of that utopia.
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 26, 2015 02:11 PM (ftVQq)
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Yup, Bay Area resident.
The truly scary thing around here is the absolute faith in the blue model.
You see, it must be right, I just bought a million-dollar home.
The truly scary thing around here is the absolute faith in the blue model.
You see, it must be right, I just bought a million-dollar home.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 02:12 PM (MQEz6)
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Here's Ace's feed from last night sorted by chronological order if anyone wants to check it out.
http://is.gd/exrIRh
http://is.gd/exrIRh
Posted by: smaulz at April 26, 2015 02:12 PM (AbcTu)
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Not, sure about that as I have not seen the episode in years. I thought he tells her that he had thought of telling him that to get the torture to stop, but at the end he actually started to think there really were five.
My mistake as I cannot find a clip on youtube of their conversation.
Not, sure about that as I have not seen the episode in years. I thought he tells her that he had thought of telling him that to get the torture to stop, but at the end he actually started to think there really were five.
My mistake as I cannot find a clip on youtube of their conversation.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 26, 2015 02:15 PM (iHjB5)
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Aetius makesa key point about appearance of reality vs. reality.
A related point is how people perceive the "so what?" of that reality.
Dry tinder awaiting a spark? But a pile of tinder knows what to do (work with me here) when a spark hits it - it bursts into flame. As I was hinting at above, with the astonishing 2010 election results in CA, Californians are clearly not tinder encountering a spark - i.e. their response to fiscal disaster includes voting for a f**king bullet train bereft of the even the flimsiest rationale.
The prosperous coastal tech or life science guy votes enthusiastically for things that drive the formerly prosperous small manufacturers to NV or AZ. Coastal guy employs similar types - "educated" NPR listeners whose kids either go to private schools or the select public schools that are still excellent (for all the usual reasons plus the additional $$$ their communities bring to the table). Vanquished small manufacturer employed guys who are blue collars, whose kids go to schools devastated by union pathologies and illegal immigration.
Over-simplifying here for effect. But there's a robust, self-sustaining pathology at work in CA. Well, self-sustaining up to a point. I just don't see that "point" being anywhere soon.
A related point is how people perceive the "so what?" of that reality.
Dry tinder awaiting a spark? But a pile of tinder knows what to do (work with me here) when a spark hits it - it bursts into flame. As I was hinting at above, with the astonishing 2010 election results in CA, Californians are clearly not tinder encountering a spark - i.e. their response to fiscal disaster includes voting for a f**king bullet train bereft of the even the flimsiest rationale.
The prosperous coastal tech or life science guy votes enthusiastically for things that drive the formerly prosperous small manufacturers to NV or AZ. Coastal guy employs similar types - "educated" NPR listeners whose kids either go to private schools or the select public schools that are still excellent (for all the usual reasons plus the additional $$$ their communities bring to the table). Vanquished small manufacturer employed guys who are blue collars, whose kids go to schools devastated by union pathologies and illegal immigration.
Over-simplifying here for effect. But there's a robust, self-sustaining pathology at work in CA. Well, self-sustaining up to a point. I just don't see that "point" being anywhere soon.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 02:16 PM (afQnV)
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Babylon 5 had a brain washing episode. What I found frightening was the confidence of the interrogator. The actor portrayed the self assurance perfectly. There was no doubt the prisoner would eventually see reality the way the state wanted.
Then you begin to wonder, is this a warning or an tutorial on how to do it?
At the end of the episode, you find yourself wondering how does the prisoner ever regain a sense of reality when everything you know is suddenly suspect.
Then you begin to wonder, is this a warning or an tutorial on how to do it?
At the end of the episode, you find yourself wondering how does the prisoner ever regain a sense of reality when everything you know is suddenly suspect.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 02:16 PM (g0ccF)
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I receive a larger chocolate ration than all of you combined.
Posted by: Mau Mau c. 1984 at April 26, 2015 02:17 PM (W5DcG)
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Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2015 02:08 PM (2TN4k)
Oh, I agree. Looking at what is on sale for what price can certainly help things out as far as the grocery bill.
But my point was that Frito-Lay, and Nabisco are just shrinking their packages. What is now 'Family Size' or 'Party Size' is what the normal packages were just a couple of years ago. And we are paying the price.
Oh, I agree. Looking at what is on sale for what price can certainly help things out as far as the grocery bill.
But my point was that Frito-Lay, and Nabisco are just shrinking their packages. What is now 'Family Size' or 'Party Size' is what the normal packages were just a couple of years ago. And we are paying the price.
Posted by: HH at April 26, 2015 02:18 PM (Ce4DF)
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Ace wants a divorce from the liberals. Ain't gonna happen, they want it all and obama would think he is abraham lincoln.
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 02:18 PM (wkuqO)
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The next generation of snowflakes is being indoctrinated in favor of this direction and until they figure it out, if they figure it out, I don't see this ending.
Heck, this generation of precious little snowflakes are bad enough. There are some seriously demented things going on campii everywhere.
I mean, who'da thought any child would ever have been disciplined for eating a pop tart? How and why the fascists in our public skool sistum aren't on the unemployment line already remains a mystery to me.
Heck, this generation of precious little snowflakes are bad enough. There are some seriously demented things going on campii everywhere.
I mean, who'da thought any child would ever have been disciplined for eating a pop tart? How and why the fascists in our public skool sistum aren't on the unemployment line already remains a mystery to me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:18 PM (0HooB)
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>>But my point was that Frito-Lay, and Nabisco are just shrinking their
packages. What is now 'Family Size' or 'Party Size' is what the normal
packages were just a couple of years ago. And we are paying the price.
Yep, or like coffee where it's the same container but it's 1-2 oz. in contents. Very sneaky. Looks the same, priced the same but you're getting less food.
packages. What is now 'Family Size' or 'Party Size' is what the normal
packages were just a couple of years ago. And we are paying the price.
Yep, or like coffee where it's the same container but it's 1-2 oz. in contents. Very sneaky. Looks the same, priced the same but you're getting less food.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2015 02:21 PM (2TN4k)
146
And on the rifle side of the range today
Nck is fascinated by the black powdered guns...I'm sure she'll talk them into letting her shoot one
Plus as with every Sunday the tacticool kids are out in force
Nck is fascinated by the black powdered guns...I'm sure she'll talk them into letting her shoot one
Plus as with every Sunday the tacticool kids are out in force
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 26, 2015 02:21 PM (QK70D)
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Not, sure about that as I have not seen the episode in years. I thought he tells her that he had thought of telling him that to get the torture to stop, but at the end he actually started to think there really were five.
My mistake as I cannot find a clip on youtube of their conversation.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 26, 2015 02:15 PM (iHjB5)
"But more than that, I believed that I could see... five lights."
Just pulled the quote from Netflix.
My mistake as I cannot find a clip on youtube of their conversation.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 26, 2015 02:15 PM (iHjB5)
"But more than that, I believed that I could see... five lights."
Just pulled the quote from Netflix.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 26, 2015 02:21 PM (10ydV)
148
I mean, who'da thought any child would ever have been disciplined for eating a pop tart? How and why the fascists in our public skool sistum aren't on the unemployment line already remains a mystery to me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:18 PM (0HooB)
They make sure there is no alternative that people can readily choose.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:18 PM (0HooB)
They make sure there is no alternative that people can readily choose.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 26, 2015 02:21 PM (iHjB5)
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Ace wants a divorce from the liberals. Ain't gonna happen
I'm sure Christians would like a divorce in Nigeria, too.
I'm sure Christians would like a divorce in Nigeria, too.
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 02:22 PM (FcR7P)
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My mistake as I cannot find a clip on youtube of their conversation.
I'll take a look too. As I've seen every episode of TNG many times (don't hate me), that's my best recollection as well.
brb
I'll take a look too. As I've seen every episode of TNG many times (don't hate me), that's my best recollection as well.
brb
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:23 PM (0HooB)
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eman, I agree.
JackStraw - what you said.
I'm in the "insidious, gradualist, inexorable decline" camp. Speaking of civic culture, basic values, a person's whole framework and mindset WRT to govt., freedom, etc.
Now, I admit, some the decline has clearly taken on the "whoa nelly!" full gallop pace.
I just cannot see, in the America of today, there being a general kinetic or sharp response. Naturally this varies by locale. I don't think OK or most of TX are in any danger of imitating CA, in terms of passive acceptance of decline. But then again, they don't inflict much nonsense on themselves, as CA residents continue to do.
My wildest hope is for some sort of county vs. governor, or state vs. federal, confrontation, as mentioned by some above. THAT I can see happening. Still pessimistic about the outcome, but at least it's plausible as a premise. Heck, it's already started happening (AZ immigration law, O-care lawsuit, etc.).
JackStraw - what you said.
I'm in the "insidious, gradualist, inexorable decline" camp. Speaking of civic culture, basic values, a person's whole framework and mindset WRT to govt., freedom, etc.
Now, I admit, some the decline has clearly taken on the "whoa nelly!" full gallop pace.
I just cannot see, in the America of today, there being a general kinetic or sharp response. Naturally this varies by locale. I don't think OK or most of TX are in any danger of imitating CA, in terms of passive acceptance of decline. But then again, they don't inflict much nonsense on themselves, as CA residents continue to do.
My wildest hope is for some sort of county vs. governor, or state vs. federal, confrontation, as mentioned by some above. THAT I can see happening. Still pessimistic about the outcome, but at least it's plausible as a premise. Heck, it's already started happening (AZ immigration law, O-care lawsuit, etc.).
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 02:23 PM (afQnV)
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144
How and why the fascists in our public skool sistum aren't on the unemployment line already remains a mystery to me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:18 PM (0HooB)
They have the support of the government behind them.
How and why the fascists in our public skool sistum aren't on the unemployment line already remains a mystery to me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:18 PM (0HooB)
They have the support of the government behind them.
Posted by: rickl at April 26, 2015 02:24 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 02:26 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 26, 2015 02:26 PM (QK70D)
155
Mia over nats 3-1
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 02:28 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 26, 2015 02:29 PM (iHjB5)
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http://is.gd/exrIRh
Posted by: smaulz at April 26, 2015 02:12 PM (AbcTu)
*********
Nice. I know the feeling so well.
Posted by: smaulz at April 26, 2015 02:12 PM (AbcTu)
*********
Nice. I know the feeling so well.
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 26, 2015 02:30 PM (cIoI4)
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NCJ @ 146 - A cow-orker showed me a picture of his AR-15. It had all the tacticool gizmos installed, except for the cupholder. He was looking for somebody to hire to zero it for him. Facepalm.
Posted by: butch at April 26, 2015 02:31 PM (HLx1C)
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>>Even despots accept the excellence of liberty. The simple truth is that they wish to keep it for themselves and promote the idea that no one else is at all worthy of it. Thus, our opinion of liberty does not reveal our differences but the relative value which we place on our fellow man. We can state with conviction, therefore, that a man's support for absolute government is in direct proportion to the contempt he feels for his country.
Alexis de Tocqueville
Isn't this really the story of Obama and the left?
Alexis de Tocqueville
Isn't this really the story of Obama and the left?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 02:31 PM (g1DWB)
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Picard does say there were only four lights in reality, but then says he believed he could see 5 lights.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:31 PM (0HooB)
161
Oregon was considering anti-gun legislation that two (perhaps more) county sheriffs said they would not, could not enforce. The sheriffs said they didn't have the manpower to enforce the law.
That happened in Colorado, as I remember. So there are two examples where local counties were telling state government that a particular law would not be enforced in the county.
We're getting the same effect from states that legalize marijuana despite the preemption of federal law. The same with immigration law and sanctuary cities.
Yet we have a federal Department of Justice telling local law enforcement that the DOJ will be 'investigating' local law enforcement for civil rights violations, and an increasing call in the media for nationalizing local law enforcement.
That happened in Colorado, as I remember. So there are two examples where local counties were telling state government that a particular law would not be enforced in the county.
We're getting the same effect from states that legalize marijuana despite the preemption of federal law. The same with immigration law and sanctuary cities.
Yet we have a federal Department of Justice telling local law enforcement that the DOJ will be 'investigating' local law enforcement for civil rights violations, and an increasing call in the media for nationalizing local law enforcement.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 02:32 PM (g0ccF)
162
How do you ork a cow? Maybe I don't want to know...
Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2015 02:32 PM (FcR7P)
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I think I have seen signs of genuine decline here in the Bay Area in the last five years.
The quality of food is declining.
It is subtle for the most part, but it is there.
Again and again after leaving an eatery you think, hmm, maybe they just had a bad day.
The quality of food is declining.
It is subtle for the most part, but it is there.
Again and again after leaving an eatery you think, hmm, maybe they just had a bad day.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 02:32 PM (MQEz6)
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http://tinyurl.com/oxovy4q
Steam/Skyrim update (for thedude if he's around)
Valve emloyee admits paid mods are kind of a clusterfark and might be reconsidered.
Steam/Skyrim update (for thedude if he's around)
Valve emloyee admits paid mods are kind of a clusterfark and might be reconsidered.
Posted by: Methos at April 26, 2015 02:33 PM (ZbV+0)
165
140 Babylon 5 had a brain washing episode. What I found frightening was the confidence of the interrogator. The actor portrayed the self assurance perfectly. There was no doubt the prisoner would eventually see reality the way the state wanted.
Then you begin to wonder, is this a warning or an tutorial on how to do it?
At the end of the episode, you find yourself wondering how does the prisoner ever regain a sense of reality when everything you know is suddenly suspect.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr.
What is really mind-boggling...is how much of a rabid leftist JMS is...seriously, unhinged. I can't even see how that man created the best spec-fic show, IMO, ever made. There were so many episodes like you describe...even one with a modern-day Chamberlain waving around an "agreement" paper with the Shadows...
Then you begin to wonder, is this a warning or an tutorial on how to do it?
At the end of the episode, you find yourself wondering how does the prisoner ever regain a sense of reality when everything you know is suddenly suspect.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr.
What is really mind-boggling...is how much of a rabid leftist JMS is...seriously, unhinged. I can't even see how that man created the best spec-fic show, IMO, ever made. There were so many episodes like you describe...even one with a modern-day Chamberlain waving around an "agreement" paper with the Shadows...
Posted by: Oedipus at April 26, 2015 02:33 PM (CXLVd)
166
160
Either way, a good episode.
Were you a fan of Farscape? THAT was a good show for psychological wackiness.
Either way, a good episode.
Were you a fan of Farscape? THAT was a good show for psychological wackiness.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 26, 2015 02:33 PM (iHjB5)
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Oh, and just for the hell of it.
Back in the late 1890's or so, there was a an entity known as 'The National Biscuit Company'. They wound up buying the rights to the people who made Saltine Crackers. That became so successful that they had to shorten their name on the box.
Hence...Nabisco.
Back in the late 1890's or so, there was a an entity known as 'The National Biscuit Company'. They wound up buying the rights to the people who made Saltine Crackers. That became so successful that they had to shorten their name on the box.
Hence...Nabisco.
Posted by: HH at April 26, 2015 02:33 PM (Ce4DF)
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and an increasing call in the media for nationalizing local law enforcement.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 02:32 PM (g0ccF)
The goal exposed.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 02:32 PM (g0ccF)
The goal exposed.
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 02:33 PM (wkuqO)
169
From Whittle's video:
A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.
That needs to be on a T-shirt. ASAP.
A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.
That needs to be on a T-shirt. ASAP.
Posted by: rickl at April 26, 2015 02:34 PM (sdi6R)
170
re: brainwashing I always fall back to Dusty Sklar's book The Nazis and the Occult and the chapter 'Making an Obedient Mass.' This is how you make a mob, a movement, or a cult. IE the Borg.
What does the movement offer the faithful?
Nothing less than a new life. His rebirth is sometimes symbolized in a new name, exotic and foreign, to make the change of identity tangible. Now there is certainty. He knows exactly where is expected of him. Within a circumscribed set of rules, all is permitted: rage without guilt, relief from responsibility, the assertion of superiority over others.
... The conflicts, tensions, self-criticisms, and doubts that assail the rest of us are washed away, and he enjoys a state of equilibrium. He is no longer a passive participant. Righteously he looks down at those whom he formerly felt to be superior.
...
In exchange for this miraculous transformation, the individual willingly subjects himself to a thorough brainwashing., through which his old beliefs and personality are eradicated. He may never be aware that he is being brainwashed. It may happen instantly or gradually, but he puts absolute trust in the leaders of the movement. The group becomes the good father he may never have had, the proxy whom he depends on to solve all his problems, the authority to which he owes obedience. From the moment he is captured, he identifies with the group and begins to think as they do. Their common undertaking insures that he will never have to shoulder any personal blame for failure or shortcomings. So long as he behaves according to the rules, he will be accepted. The rules are clear and consistent, or seem to be.
pg 154-155
What does the movement offer the faithful?
Nothing less than a new life. His rebirth is sometimes symbolized in a new name, exotic and foreign, to make the change of identity tangible. Now there is certainty. He knows exactly where is expected of him. Within a circumscribed set of rules, all is permitted: rage without guilt, relief from responsibility, the assertion of superiority over others.
... The conflicts, tensions, self-criticisms, and doubts that assail the rest of us are washed away, and he enjoys a state of equilibrium. He is no longer a passive participant. Righteously he looks down at those whom he formerly felt to be superior.
...
In exchange for this miraculous transformation, the individual willingly subjects himself to a thorough brainwashing., through which his old beliefs and personality are eradicated. He may never be aware that he is being brainwashed. It may happen instantly or gradually, but he puts absolute trust in the leaders of the movement. The group becomes the good father he may never have had, the proxy whom he depends on to solve all his problems, the authority to which he owes obedience. From the moment he is captured, he identifies with the group and begins to think as they do. Their common undertaking insures that he will never have to shoulder any personal blame for failure or shortcomings. So long as he behaves according to the rules, he will be accepted. The rules are clear and consistent, or seem to be.
pg 154-155
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 26, 2015 02:34 PM (0Ef//)
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>>>NCJ @ 146 - A cow-orker showed me a picture of his AR-15. It had all the tacticool gizmos installed, except for the cupholder. He was looking for somebody to hire to zero it for him. Facepalm.<<<
Does the man own a pitbull?
Does the man own a pitbull?
Posted by: Fritz at April 26, 2015 02:34 PM (ty633)
172
Newman @ 161 - Note that the sheriffs didn't say they would not enforce the laws because they regarded them as unconstitutional, just that they lacked the manpower to enforce them.
Posted by: butch at April 26, 2015 02:35 PM (HLx1C)
173
Were you a fan of Farscape?
I wanted to be a fan of Farscape, but it was just a bit too far 'out there'. It was interesting and entertaining.
Four stars out of five. I guess.
I wanted to be a fan of Farscape, but it was just a bit too far 'out there'. It was interesting and entertaining.
Four stars out of five. I guess.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 02:36 PM (g0ccF)
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165
The same could be said of Whedon and Firefly.
Babylon 5 was awesome at the time (the first three seasons and a couple of episodes into the fourth.) Then the wheels fell off the bus for me a bit. I had bout the first three seasons on dvd and several years ago I was going to sit down and rewatch them. They were... not as good as I remembered.
The same could be said of Whedon and Firefly.
Babylon 5 was awesome at the time (the first three seasons and a couple of episodes into the fourth.) Then the wheels fell off the bus for me a bit. I had bout the first three seasons on dvd and several years ago I was going to sit down and rewatch them. They were... not as good as I remembered.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 26, 2015 02:36 PM (iHjB5)
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Fritz @ 171 - He doesn't seem to be the type.
Posted by: butch at April 26, 2015 02:36 PM (HLx1C)
176
Five years ago, heck, last year, ace would be ban hammering secessionist talk.
Obama and the GOPe deserve much of the credit.
Obama and the GOPe deserve much of the credit.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 02:39 PM (MQEz6)
177
Most countries spiral into the nothingness with a banging of pots and pans and a small riot or to unrelated to the disaster.
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 02:40 PM (wkuqO)
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t-bird @ 162 - First you get sturdy stepstool ...
Posted by: butch at April 26, 2015 02:41 PM (HLx1C)
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two
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 02:41 PM (wkuqO)
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OK it's nappy-time. I'm trying unsuccessfully to fight off some sort of crud. Haven't slept well in a couple of nights.
Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?
Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:42 PM (0HooB)
181
'Finds" burning trash can. Hmmm
Posted by: just bob at April 26, 2015 02:43 PM (wkuqO)
182
173
In my opinion, Farscape is probably the second best sci-fi show of all time (still have to give that award to the original Star Trek.) The first season was crap, but the series really did seem to just get better as it went along. The mini-series they did seemed to have the obvious problem of condensing twenty episodes of story into a four hour show.
There were some awesome episodes: Crackers Don't Matter, Season of Death, Scrath and Sniff, Infinite Possibilities, The Choice, Galaxy of Doubt, We're So Screwed.
Dammit, now I am going to have to dig out my DVDs.
In my opinion, Farscape is probably the second best sci-fi show of all time (still have to give that award to the original Star Trek.) The first season was crap, but the series really did seem to just get better as it went along. The mini-series they did seemed to have the obvious problem of condensing twenty episodes of story into a four hour show.
There were some awesome episodes: Crackers Don't Matter, Season of Death, Scrath and Sniff, Infinite Possibilities, The Choice, Galaxy of Doubt, We're So Screwed.
Dammit, now I am going to have to dig out my DVDs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 26, 2015 02:44 PM (iHjB5)
183
The high-speed rail project - and its continued
existence - really encapsulate all the civic degradation of the US in
one tidy package. Lawlessness (bold violations of the terms of the law
authorizing it), pointlessness (economic and technical), massive
corruption/rent-seeking by politically connected elements, AND .....
drum roll ..... approved, specifically, by the f***ing idiot voters of
CA.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 02:07 PM (afQnV)
And one of the big beneficiaries of Federal HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. baksheesh? Richard Blum, aka Mr. Dianne Feinstein.
It stinks.
existence - really encapsulate all the civic degradation of the US in
one tidy package. Lawlessness (bold violations of the terms of the law
authorizing it), pointlessness (economic and technical), massive
corruption/rent-seeking by politically connected elements, AND .....
drum roll ..... approved, specifically, by the f***ing idiot voters of
CA.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 02:07 PM (afQnV)
And one of the big beneficiaries of Federal HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. baksheesh? Richard Blum, aka Mr. Dianne Feinstein.
It stinks.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 26, 2015 02:46 PM (oKE6c)
184
Didn't the CO sheriffs say they would simply not enforce the gun law, not that they lacked the resources to do so? Can't remember.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 02:47 PM (afQnV)
185
158. Oh my lord!!
The guy next to me just slipped on his gloves and ....
Wait for it.....,
..........
Tac vest
Amazing
The guy next to me just slipped on his gloves and ....
Wait for it.....,
..........
Tac vest
Amazing
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 26, 2015 02:48 PM (QK70D)
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Please tell us NCK outshot him and then played some metal riff on her guitar.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 26, 2015 02:49 PM (10ydV)
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Secession can work.
Secede in place. A wealth state (looking at you Texas) or, shall we say, a confederation of states, need to quit accepting Federal money, and stop complying with Federal mandates. Almost everything the Feds force on the states requires them to 'voluntarily' obey or aid in the enforcement Federal rules. Just quit. No one is going to go war with Texas because they don't take Federal highway funds. Force a restoration of the Republic of 1787 by just not taking the bribe.
Secede in place. A wealth state (looking at you Texas) or, shall we say, a confederation of states, need to quit accepting Federal money, and stop complying with Federal mandates. Almost everything the Feds force on the states requires them to 'voluntarily' obey or aid in the enforcement Federal rules. Just quit. No one is going to go war with Texas because they don't take Federal highway funds. Force a restoration of the Republic of 1787 by just not taking the bribe.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 26, 2015 02:50 PM (rwI+c)
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176 Five years ago, heck, last year, ace would be ban hammering secessionist talk.
Obama and the GOPe deserve much of the credit.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 02:39 PM (MQEz6)
LOL.... 4 years ago I was asked to no longer participate at Hot Gas.... for my (and this is a direst quote) 'Jeffersonian Fantasies'... just for pointing out that revolution is a possibility... not advocating for it..
Have not been back since... because anyone who is so purposely devoid of historical knowledge to think that revolution cannot happen here... when it already HAS... TWICE... is not worth the time to convince of other things...
Obama and the GOPe deserve much of the credit.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 02:39 PM (MQEz6)
LOL.... 4 years ago I was asked to no longer participate at Hot Gas.... for my (and this is a direst quote) 'Jeffersonian Fantasies'... just for pointing out that revolution is a possibility... not advocating for it..
Have not been back since... because anyone who is so purposely devoid of historical knowledge to think that revolution cannot happen here... when it already HAS... TWICE... is not worth the time to convince of other things...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 02:50 PM (qh617)
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I've been enjoying watching this cold war sminar on youtube. One of the historians, I fd interesting. He's sort of strange looking but as soon as I heard that he was a cold war hard line, bromance was in the air! Tried to find info on him and all I found out is that he died a couple of weeks after the symposium. They dont say how but I suspect he was ill. He was wearing a wig which made him look strange and he appeared uncomfortable with it. Anyway, RIP, Dr. Eduard M. Mark. 
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 02:50 PM (iQIUe)
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NCJ @ 185 - Just consider him a source for a free weapon or two come the Burning Times.
Posted by: butch at April 26, 2015 02:51 PM (HLx1C)
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Scratch and Sniff. Was that the one with the fast talking little pixie with the cockney accent and the Max Headroom shoutout?
I loved that character. It is watching the actor bring a character to life in a believable way that interests me the most. Behavior that is rational and believable and a story that 'could happen if only'.
Eventually you start to see the shortcuts that were taken because of the constraints of time or budget. Or the formula becomes too obvious, and not everyone will agree on proper behavior. So what is believable to me, might not be acceptable to someone else.
I loved that character. It is watching the actor bring a character to life in a believable way that interests me the most. Behavior that is rational and believable and a story that 'could happen if only'.
Eventually you start to see the shortcuts that were taken because of the constraints of time or budget. Or the formula becomes too obvious, and not everyone will agree on proper behavior. So what is believable to me, might not be acceptable to someone else.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 02:52 PM (g0ccF)
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Have not been back since... because anyone who is so
purposely devoid of historical knowledge to think that revolution
cannot happen here... when it already HAS... TWICE... is not worth the
time to convince of other things...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 02:50 PM (qh617)
The fallacy of the linear extrapolation.
purposely devoid of historical knowledge to think that revolution
cannot happen here... when it already HAS... TWICE... is not worth the
time to convince of other things...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 02:50 PM (qh617)
The fallacy of the linear extrapolation.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 26, 2015 02:55 PM (oKE6c)
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You'll be glad to know that a Zardoz has just been released on blu-Ray for
All of your Sean Connery in a red diaper needs.
All of your Sean Connery in a red diaper needs.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 26, 2015 02:57 PM (e+tjk)
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191 Scratch and Sniff. Was that the one with the fast talking little pixie with the cockney accent and the Max Headroom shoutout?
That was the one. Although they actually did two different Max Headroom shout-outs. The first was that one, when they just imitated the Headroom way of speaking and replay. The other is where they had Crichton and Chianna stuck in a virtual reality game and they had actual full on, screen in an elevator, Max Headroom characters.
That was the one. Although they actually did two different Max Headroom shout-outs. The first was that one, when they just imitated the Headroom way of speaking and replay. The other is where they had Crichton and Chianna stuck in a virtual reality game and they had actual full on, screen in an elevator, Max Headroom characters.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 26, 2015 02:57 PM (iHjB5)
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186. She's busy rocking the AR
We're starting at 50yds at 6" targets using an EOTech red dot (not using the magnifier till we move out more)
She's pissed cause I'm easily out shooting her
Going to go to steel at 100 in a couple minutes
The tool next to us has a 4-20x acog mounted on his
The damn sight cost more than his rifle
We're starting at 50yds at 6" targets using an EOTech red dot (not using the magnifier till we move out more)
She's pissed cause I'm easily out shooting her
Going to go to steel at 100 in a couple minutes
The tool next to us has a 4-20x acog mounted on his
The damn sight cost more than his rifle
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 26, 2015 02:59 PM (QK70D)
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The fallacy of the linear extrapolation.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 26, 2015 02:55 PM (oKE6c)
Major difference between possible... and likely...
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 26, 2015 02:55 PM (oKE6c)
Major difference between possible... and likely...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 02:59 PM (qh617)
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>>Secede in place. A wealth state (looking at you Texas)
A significant portion of Texas' wealth comes from government spending. Texas ranks in the top 5 for government contracts, largely defense related.
States that are a lot less reliant on the feds are more likely to go. Of course, states not reliant on the feds are increasingly hard to find. By design.
A significant portion of Texas' wealth comes from government spending. Texas ranks in the top 5 for government contracts, largely defense related.
States that are a lot less reliant on the feds are more likely to go. Of course, states not reliant on the feds are increasingly hard to find. By design.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 03:01 PM (g1DWB)
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186. You know, I should mention that to her
It would be the ultimate YouTube video if she actually did that
It would be the ultimate YouTube video if she actually did that
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 26, 2015 03:02 PM (QK70D)
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* ponders shotgun slug made of wooden nickles *
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 26, 2015 03:03 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: THE at April 26, 2015 03:04 PM (wlDny)
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The fallacy of the linear extrapolation.
If the thing you are extrapolating really is linear then it isn't a fallacy, it's Science! You make an observation and a deduction and predict a future result. If you score the game winning points in the final seconds of the game you are a hero. If you miss, you are the goat.
If the thing you are extrapolating really is linear then it isn't a fallacy, it's Science! You make an observation and a deduction and predict a future result. If you score the game winning points in the final seconds of the game you are a hero. If you miss, you are the goat.
Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 03:04 PM (g0ccF)
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Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 03:01 PM (g1DWB)
Except that the Feds could not cut those industries off...
They are not easily moved.... and SOMENE has to fulfill those Military equipment needs.
Except that the Feds could not cut those industries off...
They are not easily moved.... and SOMENE has to fulfill those Military equipment needs.
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 03:05 PM (qh617)
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Posted by: Newman Smith Jr. at April 26, 2015 03:04 PM (g0ccF)
But the idea that something cannot happen... when it HAS happened in the past...
Well... lets just say its Global Warming type thinking...
But the idea that something cannot happen... when it HAS happened in the past...
Well... lets just say its Global Warming type thinking...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 26, 2015 03:07 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Francois Hollande at April 26, 2015 03:07 PM (XrHO0)
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About Baltimore riots:
Activist Jamal Bryant, pastor of Empowerment Temple AME Church, told his congregation Sunday that "somebody is going to have to pay" for Gray's death, the Associated Press reported.
Fanning the flames of post-racial America.
Activist Jamal Bryant, pastor of Empowerment Temple AME Church, told his congregation Sunday that "somebody is going to have to pay" for Gray's death, the Associated Press reported.
Fanning the flames of post-racial America.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 26, 2015 03:12 PM (xQX/f)
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It is impossible for
me to give a real idea of the terror and horror spread among us by this
filthy, loathsome pestilence, recounted Maj. Harold Mathews of the 8th
Battalion. Matthews, a farmer and widower, was writing about the German
use of lethal chlorine gas at the Battle of Second Ypres in April 1915
Damn, I didn't know Bama was around then
me to give a real idea of the terror and horror spread among us by this
filthy, loathsome pestilence, recounted Maj. Harold Mathews of the 8th
Battalion. Matthews, a farmer and widower, was writing about the German
use of lethal chlorine gas at the Battle of Second Ypres in April 1915
Damn, I didn't know Bama was around then
Posted by: THE LOST CORGI at April 26, 2015 03:13 PM (wlDny)
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189 I've been enjoying watching this cold war sminar on youtube.
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 02:50 PM (iQIUe)
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I grew up during the last years of it. I didn't enjoy it then, but compred to now, those were happy angst free days. I miss the Cold War. Maybe Reagan shouldn't have torn down the wall. Without the USSR, millenials have grown up in ignorance of what a clusterfuck communism is, how people sought to escape it, and are seduced by the siren song of the government quick fix.
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 26, 2015 02:50 PM (iQIUe)
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I grew up during the last years of it. I didn't enjoy it then, but compred to now, those were happy angst free days. I miss the Cold War. Maybe Reagan shouldn't have torn down the wall. Without the USSR, millenials have grown up in ignorance of what a clusterfuck communism is, how people sought to escape it, and are seduced by the siren song of the government quick fix.
Posted by: Francois Hollande at April 26, 2015 03:17 PM (XrHO0)
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A pH titration curve traches a valuable lesson about extrapolation.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 03:20 PM (MQEz6)
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Titration? That sounds ominous.
Posted by: Dolly Parton at April 26, 2015 03:24 PM (3F6F8)
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How and why the fascists in our public skool sistum aren't on the unemployment line already remains a mystery to me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:18 PM (0HooB)
A commenter here once said, "until THEY are made to fear for their safety, there will be no change". Period. The end. They will continue to push, and push and push. Just as the playground bully pushes and shoves. Until someone who has had enough knocks him on his ass. Then, it ends.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 26, 2015 02:18 PM (0HooB)
A commenter here once said, "until THEY are made to fear for their safety, there will be no change". Period. The end. They will continue to push, and push and push. Just as the playground bully pushes and shoves. Until someone who has had enough knocks him on his ass. Then, it ends.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at April 26, 2015 03:26 PM (tAoev)
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38 Sunni LeBeouf "But enabled by Dutch leftards, akin to the guy who shot Pym Fortuyn. I wonder if the deepest factor in all this is simply envy. Jews are perceived as economically advantaged, hence are envied, so it's ok to target them."
That's worth considering, but what about endless Muslim street violence against gays? That was, I recall, why Bruce Bawer and his partner left the Netherlands.
That's worth considering, but what about endless Muslim street violence against gays? That was, I recall, why Bruce Bawer and his partner left the Netherlands.
Posted by: pst314 at April 26, 2015 03:26 PM (T4dRn)
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My wildest hope is for some sort of county vs. governor, or state vs.
federal, confrontation, as mentioned by some above. THAT I can see
happening. Still pessimistic about the outcome, but at least it's
plausible as a premise. Heck, it's already started happening (AZ
immigration law, O-care lawsuit, etc.).
I posted these videos a year ago on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvjRKNDjvKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGKBfew6hSU
federal, confrontation, as mentioned by some above. THAT I can see
happening. Still pessimistic about the outcome, but at least it's
plausible as a premise. Heck, it's already started happening (AZ
immigration law, O-care lawsuit, etc.).
I posted these videos a year ago on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvjRKNDjvKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGKBfew6hSU
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JackStraw, I think there's a disconnect between DOD contracts (or other fed contracts) and the proposed state withdrawal from coerced federal policies. Those contracts are outputs of the DOD procurement process, and policy requirements are only those that apply to performance thereof (all the stupid set-asides and labor practices, etc.).
If a state, say, is turning down some sort of federal education money, and simultaneously discontinuing some hated federally-imposed education policy, isn't that totally different?
I don't have a good grasp of the scope of thesituations in question, but I thought the idea would be that a state declines federal funds and discontinues federal policies in a given area, as those policies are tied to those funds - not to DOD or other contracts. And wasn't one of the only redeeming elements of the farcical and catastrophic O-care SCOTUS ruling one that limited federal $$$$ coercion of states even on related matters? Leaving aside congressional barriers to same, I cannot see punitive procurement actions gathering any steam against big defense contractor states.
Dunno, but seems to me that this particular idea (hat tip toby, in this instance) has serious potential, at least to mitigate the decline on a state-by-state basis.
If a state, say, is turning down some sort of federal education money, and simultaneously discontinuing some hated federally-imposed education policy, isn't that totally different?
I don't have a good grasp of the scope of thesituations in question, but I thought the idea would be that a state declines federal funds and discontinues federal policies in a given area, as those policies are tied to those funds - not to DOD or other contracts. And wasn't one of the only redeeming elements of the farcical and catastrophic O-care SCOTUS ruling one that limited federal $$$$ coercion of states even on related matters? Leaving aside congressional barriers to same, I cannot see punitive procurement actions gathering any steam against big defense contractor states.
Dunno, but seems to me that this particular idea (hat tip toby, in this instance) has serious potential, at least to mitigate the decline on a state-by-state basis.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2015 03:27 PM (afQnV)
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The restraint shown is astonishing.
Everybody knows TFG is just trolling now and ignores him. Boner and the Turtle are even joining the ass-shake.
Everybody knows TFG is just trolling now and ignores him. Boner and the Turtle are even joining the ass-shake.
Posted by: DaveA at April 26, 2015 03:34 PM (DL2i+)
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States are addicted to Federal money like a junkie hooked on heroin.
Yeah, the junkie can kick the habit, but it ain't easy and it ain't pretty.
Yeah, the junkie can kick the habit, but it ain't easy and it ain't pretty.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 03:36 PM (MQEz6)
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You'll be glad to know that a Zardoz has just been released on blu-Ray for
All of your Sean Connery in a red diaper needs.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 26, 2015 02:57 PM (e+tjk)
----
The Gun is good! The Penis is evil!
We're halfway there already.
All of your Sean Connery in a red diaper needs.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 26, 2015 02:57 PM (e+tjk)
----
The Gun is good! The Penis is evil!
We're halfway there already.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at April 26, 2015 03:39 PM (KH1sk)
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That's worth considering, but what about endless Muslim street violence against gays? That was, I recall, why Bruce Bawer and his partner left the Netherlands.
Posted by: pst314 at April 26, 2015 03:26 PM (T4dRn)
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It's true if you consider violence in general it's more complicated. But I was considering why western lefties enable those they do. I suspect they look down upon Muslims and gays. Hence these groups give leftists an increased self esteem, allowing them access to even more narcissism when they act as "protectors" of such groups. But self sufficient individuals have no need of them, and incite envy or at least callousness. Hence lefty betrayal of their own countrymen for those who would destroy their society.
Posted by: pst314 at April 26, 2015 03:26 PM (T4dRn)
*********
It's true if you consider violence in general it's more complicated. But I was considering why western lefties enable those they do. I suspect they look down upon Muslims and gays. Hence these groups give leftists an increased self esteem, allowing them access to even more narcissism when they act as "protectors" of such groups. But self sufficient individuals have no need of them, and incite envy or at least callousness. Hence lefty betrayal of their own countrymen for those who would destroy their society.
Posted by: Dolly Parton at April 26, 2015 03:45 PM (3F6F8)
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Off cloned sheep sock
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 26, 2015 03:47 PM (3F6F8)
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States are addicted to Federal money like a junkie hooked on heroin.
Yeah, the junkie can kick the habit, but it ain't easy and it ain't pretty.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 03:36 PM (MQEz6)
*********
But if end game is secession, it evens out because the federal tax burden would presumably be less under the new federal government. But people are short sighted, who knows? You may have a point.
Yeah, the junkie can kick the habit, but it ain't easy and it ain't pretty.
Posted by: eman at April 26, 2015 03:36 PM (MQEz6)
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But if end game is secession, it evens out because the federal tax burden would presumably be less under the new federal government. But people are short sighted, who knows? You may have a point.
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>>If a state, say, is turning down some sort of federal education money, and simultaneously discontinuing some hated federally-imposed education policy, isn't that totally different?
In theory, absolutely. But in practice, are they? Who makes defense spending decisions? Are they completed isolated from the people who make dreaded social policies?
The single biggest piece of discretionary funding at the federal level is defense spending and second place isn't even close. Note, that is discretionary and not mandated payments like SS and Medicare so this is the biggest piece that the government actually gets to choose how to spend. Does anyone really think that politics doesn't play a huge roll in how it is spent.
BAE Systems was a dominant supplier of military vehicles when Bush under and they built a large percentage of those vehicles in Texas. Oshkosh won the next generation of mine resistant vehicles in 2009 under a different president and those are being built in Wisconsin. In 2010, a GE plant in Lynn, MA got a $500 million contract to build a second option for the F-35 that the Pentagon expressly said they did not want. How the hell did that happen?
And these are just the direct contracts. Suppliers flock around these companies like remoras on a shark. Next time some governor stands up and says "Hey, take those federal contracts and jobs to some other state, we don't want them" will be the first time.
Federal government spending is over 20% of GDP right now and the arrow is still pointing up. We are the socialists we've been waiting for.
In theory, absolutely. But in practice, are they? Who makes defense spending decisions? Are they completed isolated from the people who make dreaded social policies?
The single biggest piece of discretionary funding at the federal level is defense spending and second place isn't even close. Note, that is discretionary and not mandated payments like SS and Medicare so this is the biggest piece that the government actually gets to choose how to spend. Does anyone really think that politics doesn't play a huge roll in how it is spent.
BAE Systems was a dominant supplier of military vehicles when Bush under and they built a large percentage of those vehicles in Texas. Oshkosh won the next generation of mine resistant vehicles in 2009 under a different president and those are being built in Wisconsin. In 2010, a GE plant in Lynn, MA got a $500 million contract to build a second option for the F-35 that the Pentagon expressly said they did not want. How the hell did that happen?
And these are just the direct contracts. Suppliers flock around these companies like remoras on a shark. Next time some governor stands up and says "Hey, take those federal contracts and jobs to some other state, we don't want them" will be the first time.
Federal government spending is over 20% of GDP right now and the arrow is still pointing up. We are the socialists we've been waiting for.
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The Gun is good! The Penis is evil!
We're halfway there already.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at April 26, 2015 03:39 PM (KH1sk)
*************************************
Word. As a woman, I claim my second amendment right to defend myself. Someday I'm going to ask that nice Mr. Correia to teach me how.
And the penis is the ultimate defacement of the human body. It must be eliminated at all costs.
We're halfway there already.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at April 26, 2015 03:39 PM (KH1sk)
*************************************
Word. As a woman, I claim my second amendment right to defend myself. Someday I'm going to ask that nice Mr. Correia to teach me how.
And the penis is the ultimate defacement of the human body. It must be eliminated at all costs.
Posted by: Bruce Jenner at April 26, 2015 04:03 PM (cIoI4)
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Food nood
Posted by: Bruce Jenner at April 26, 2015 04:05 PM (cIoI4)
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Who makes defense spending decisions?
Presumably the same representatives from the same states since they remain in the Union. Is the Congress actually going to go on record as punishing a state for not accepting Federal Title X money for "reproductive services"? Or highway funds?
Presumably the same representatives from the same states since they remain in the Union. Is the Congress actually going to go on record as punishing a state for not accepting Federal Title X money for "reproductive services"? Or highway funds?
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 26, 2015 04:20 PM (rwI+c)
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Next time some governor stands up and says "Hey, take those federal contracts and jobs to some other state, we don't want them" will be the first time.
If the contracts don't come with unrelated mandates, and the USSC has ruled that they cannot, why would a governor discourage them?
If the contracts don't come with unrelated mandates, and the USSC has ruled that they cannot, why would a governor discourage them?
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 26, 2015 04:22 PM (rwI+c)
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We are the socialists we've been waiting for.
Come on, that's harsh -- like liberals claiming we don't want safe highways and bridges. Of course we do, but that doesn't mean we turn a blind eye to a road crew that spends all morning putting signs up, 'Road work ahead' then spending the afternoon taking them down. While accomplishing nothing in the way of actual road work.
I spent the good part of my professional career in an industry that produced a product that Washington, DC needed. I didn't have a different price list for them. They needed something I produced it if I could fit it in the schedule and on-hand materials permitted. In fact sometimes I actually was in favor of something I produced, like when a product needed to be produced so that a couple hundred thousand Cuban 'dissidents' could enter the country. I gave up a buncha hours sleep to get it done -- when I could have just as easily no-bid. Some guy with a last name of 'Cruz' was among the users of my product. Yup, Ted's dad.
I'm sure that most defense contractors and the Governors of their states are proud of their efforts to provide a great product for our military. It wouldn't hurt to have military expenditures fixed at some percentage of entire budget, and entire budget fixed at some percentage of GDP. Some day, maybe, when the country gets smarter. But I'm not holding my breath.
Come on, that's harsh -- like liberals claiming we don't want safe highways and bridges. Of course we do, but that doesn't mean we turn a blind eye to a road crew that spends all morning putting signs up, 'Road work ahead' then spending the afternoon taking them down. While accomplishing nothing in the way of actual road work.
I spent the good part of my professional career in an industry that produced a product that Washington, DC needed. I didn't have a different price list for them. They needed something I produced it if I could fit it in the schedule and on-hand materials permitted. In fact sometimes I actually was in favor of something I produced, like when a product needed to be produced so that a couple hundred thousand Cuban 'dissidents' could enter the country. I gave up a buncha hours sleep to get it done -- when I could have just as easily no-bid. Some guy with a last name of 'Cruz' was among the users of my product. Yup, Ted's dad.
I'm sure that most defense contractors and the Governors of their states are proud of their efforts to provide a great product for our military. It wouldn't hurt to have military expenditures fixed at some percentage of entire budget, and entire budget fixed at some percentage of GDP. Some day, maybe, when the country gets smarter. But I'm not holding my breath.
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>>Presumably the same representatives from the same states since they remain in the Union. Is the Congress actually going to go on record as punishing a state for not accepting Federal Title X money for "reproductive services"? Or highway funds?
Hasn't that already happened? EMTALA mandated that any hospital that received any federal dollars, read virtually all of them, had to accept anyone who showed up. Anyone. But there would not be any specific funding for the act, they would just cut off all money. I didn't see anyone splitting off then and look where we are now. They now have us on healthcare from cradle to crave and nobody has seceded. Hell, we don't even seem to have that many people interested in fighting back.
As rhomboid noted up above, we have given up so much without so much as a fart, what makes you think with the dumbed down populace we have now we are going to guns? Not seeing it.
Not so much threats just creeping power grabs. It's how totalitarians role, yo. People keep joking 1984 wasn't a playbook. Sure it was, just for the other team.
Hasn't that already happened? EMTALA mandated that any hospital that received any federal dollars, read virtually all of them, had to accept anyone who showed up. Anyone. But there would not be any specific funding for the act, they would just cut off all money. I didn't see anyone splitting off then and look where we are now. They now have us on healthcare from cradle to crave and nobody has seceded. Hell, we don't even seem to have that many people interested in fighting back.
As rhomboid noted up above, we have given up so much without so much as a fart, what makes you think with the dumbed down populace we have now we are going to guns? Not seeing it.
Not so much threats just creeping power grabs. It's how totalitarians role, yo. People keep joking 1984 wasn't a playbook. Sure it was, just for the other team.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 04:51 PM (g1DWB)
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Hasn't that already happened?
I am not aware of any defense contracts or other unrelated federal contracts, which was your worry, being cut off because a state rejected Title X or other funds. In fairness, it's not something I'm involved with. Do you have an example?
The EMTALA mandate is a distraction because it's not a State function. Any hospital is free to reject Medicare and the mandate they chose not to in most cases but I'm not suggesting that the state legislature mandate that hospitals can't make the deal.
I am not aware of any defense contracts or other unrelated federal contracts, which was your worry, being cut off because a state rejected Title X or other funds. In fairness, it's not something I'm involved with. Do you have an example?
The EMTALA mandate is a distraction because it's not a State function. Any hospital is free to reject Medicare and the mandate they chose not to in most cases but I'm not suggesting that the state legislature mandate that hospitals can't make the deal.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 26, 2015 05:30 PM (rwI+c)
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>>I am not aware of any defense contracts or other unrelated federal contracts, which was your worry, being cut off because a state rejected Title X or other funds. In fairness, it's not something I'm involved with. Do you have an example?
Has any state actually refused Title X money?
Has any state actually refused Title X money?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 05:59 PM (g1DWB)
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And I'm not worried about it, I just see it as an inevitable course. Individual rights, states rights, are the enemy of statists and they will do anything including threats and bribes to destroy them and centralize power. And they are winning.
For all the bold talk of secession no state and no politician has done squat after decades of this happening and I don't see it happening any time soon.
For all the bold talk of secession no state and no politician has done squat after decades of this happening and I don't see it happening any time soon.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 06:07 PM (g1DWB)
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For all the bold talk of secession no state and no politician has done squat after decades of this happening and I don't see it happening any time soon.
Yeah. It's depressing, but my point is that "secession" doesn't have to all-or-nothing shoot-em-out. We act act locally to encourage our states to resist. I refuse to just vote National Republican so they can manage the decline.
Yeah. It's depressing, but my point is that "secession" doesn't have to all-or-nothing shoot-em-out. We act act locally to encourage our states to resist. I refuse to just vote National Republican so they can manage the decline.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 26, 2015 06:16 PM (rwI+c)
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>>Yeah. It's depressing, but my point is that "secession" doesn't have to all-or-nothing shoot-em-out. We act act locally to encourage our states to resist. I refuse to just vote National Republican so they can manage the decline.
On that I agree. Never been less interested in what happens at the national level than I am now.
On that I agree. Never been less interested in what happens at the national level than I am now.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 26, 2015 06:24 PM (g1DWB)
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As sort of a post script to this thread. When I was young I thought that the importation of a couple hundred thousand Cuban dissidents to this country would make a difference. Now, I wonder. Is it better to leave them in their host countries, a thorn in the side of some commie like Fidel?
I mean, Jimmah Carter wanted them here.
Anyway, we got papa cruz out of the deal. Hope that pays dividends.
I mean, Jimmah Carter wanted them here.
Anyway, we got papa cruz out of the deal. Hope that pays dividends.
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