1 Well, let me explain. The State of Hawaii issues birth certificates to those who are not born there. That is why. And Obama refuses to release his original birth certificate. He has only released an abstract of live birth. We need to see where he was actually born. Why is he refusing to release it? That is the question. Not about "birthers." Obama can end this controversy right now, but he refuses to do that. Why? Perhaps just to drive certain people to extremes, but those of us who are not extreme just want to see the original birth certificate. And I should note that the U.S. government does nto accept abstracts as evidence of birth in the United States. Just try and apply for a passport with one or apply for immigration benefits for a relative with an abstract.

The point is that Obama should release the original birth certificate.

2 He won't release it because it reveals some other lie he has been perpetrating, or some other embarrassing detail.
The Cert he has released is not just made up, (contrary to the recent claim otherwise) it is based on that real one, but it not forced to reveal said embarrassment. He has lots of embarrassing details....like his college papers, and grades.

3 Look I don't really care one way or the other but I do care about the constitution and rule of law. The constitutional requirement is to produce a valid birth certificate and he has not. It does not say an equivalent or any such thing. So quite covering for this mess! With everything else OB and the Progressives are doing (especially this health care nightmare) I say we keep pushing until the (insert here with unprintable) does what is required to hold the office he is defiling!

4 "But the state still gets between 10 and 20 e-mails seeking verification of Obama's birth each week, most of them from outside Hawaii, Kim said Tuesday."

10 and 20 e-mails a week. This is a problem?

5 s4f, the Constitution says nothing about requiring a birth certificate or any other specifically-titled document. Not. One. Word.

It merely states:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


The Founders did not define "natural born" and left that up to Congress to define, which they did. They defer to whatever the states call their birth certificates.

Hawaii says Obama is legit. Everyone who matters agrees Hawaii has the final say.

It's over.

6 he's YOUR mistake......the international flight she took was after...to Hawaii......

7 An adoption by Obama's step father is a better explanation for any confusion there may be about the birth certificate. Some states have very strict rules about releasing an original birth certificate when there was an adoption. It also fits the facts that he was known as Barry Soetoro in his childhood and perhaps even into young adulthood. There are legitimate issues about this period in Obama's life that get discredited by general association with the birthers' claims.

8 My son has a state department "Certificate of Birth Abroad" for a US Citizen (his mother has never been a US Citizen). I expect that is what John McCain has also for the same reason. My son was born in the 97th General Hospital in Frankfurt (a US Army hospital. He is considered a "natural born Citizen", John McCain born in the Canal Zone is considered a "natural born Citizen". There is no argument that his mother was not a citizen when he was born that I have seen so why does it matter? If it did matter, I would be on the "birther" side because I would really like the be rid of that "third world dictator in democretin clothing wannabe".

9 I suspect it's probably noted on his birth certificate that his religion (as is his father's) is "Muslim."

10 CY - Nothing will satisfy these folks.

The other issue is that once she took her near-birth flight to Kenya, she then had to take out an announcement in a Hawaii paper of the birth...stating that it was in Hawaii.

Very clever of her to plan for her son's eventual Presidency run at his birth!

Utter nonsense. The closest thing to a controversy that I could see was that he supposedly had to give up his US citizenship as a child in order to attend school in Indonesia, but that seems to be a non-starter...

Orion

11 orion.........put the bong down .......you've had enough!

12 I say dig up the mother's grave and see if there's a jackal in it.

13 CY, you are wrong on the issue of natural born citizen. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a State birth certificate makes you a natural born citizen, just as there is nothing that says someone has to produce a birth certificate showing birth in the United States. However to be President you must be a natural born citizen.

John McCain was a natural born citizen because when he was born, the Panama Canal District was part of the United States.

Being born in a military hospital in Germany does not make you a U.S. citizen, much less a natural born citizen.

The only debate is whether persons born abroad who derive citizenship are naturally born citizens. An Army base is not part of the territory of the U.S. Being born there and getting U.S. citizenship depends on your parentage and their marital status.

Now, again, I must point out that Hawaii provides birth certificates to those not born in Hawaii, therefore, a birth certificate from Hawaii is not proof of citizenship, unless the person issued that birth certificate was actually born in Hawaii.

The Constitution and federal law do not authorize the several States to naturalize or certify aliens as citizens. The birth certificate is only evidence that you were born in a particular place and to be a natural born citizen, that must at minimum show that the person was born in the U.S.

The abstract of the birth certificate that Obama released is insufficient to show he was actually born in Hawaii. We need the original to see if it was issued to him based on his mother and father's residency in Hawaii or based on actual birth in Hawaii.

Is that too much to ask? Why is he hiding it? Some suggest it is some crazy political judo move to show that his opponents are crazy and obsessive and that he will show it at an opportune time. Fine, that is one theory, but he still has yet to prove that he was born in the United States.

Just show the certificate and the issue will be over. Don't surrender on this issue before the facts are in.

14 Ron: ??
*I* need to put the bong down? Are you a 'birther' then? If so, then you believe that the State of Hawaii, Obama's mother, and the Hawaiian newspapers are involved in some grand conspiracy to lie about Obama's place of birth, and evidently has been since the day he was born?

And **I** need to put the bong down? Dude. Give it up. He's President. Get some more nachos, play some Cream and relax...soon it will all go away.

Orion

Here's the images of the newspaper annoucements:
http://images.google.com/___res?___url=http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg&___refurl=http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php&usg=__Ls_pIE4jIPlW6ADl6XWW-LKIX4U=&h=1024&w=790&sz=278&hl=en&start=1&itbs=1&tbnid=iVqZVoaDyttdVM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3DObama%2Bbirth%2Bannouncement%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1

15 I believe that he was born in Hawaii but that the birth certificate shows who the real father is. If you read any of Jack Cashill's work you will know that not one person that knew the Mom or the Husband BHO sr. knew they were "Dating" or ever heard of a wedding. Not one of their friends attended nor knew of any such ceremony. Less than two weeks after her birthing, Mom went to Seattle and entered into college. She had no job, no planned place to live and no relative to look after Yobama. Doesn't any of this raise any doubts about his story? One simple explanation is that BHO jr was born earlier and not by BHO sr. Another fact to back this up is four years later two people who knew BHO sr.from Hawaii went to Kenya and ran into him and he didn't ask about his ex-wife or his son one time during their stay. Doesn't sound like any Dad I have ever known.

16 I'm a confederate, so on one hand obama is the best thing to come along since lincoln, states rights wise. He's done more damage than the ANV could hope to do to the yankees. On the other I don't like being told lies and that's all what this is about. Look at what you said in your post; "The other issue is that once she took her near-birth flight to Kenya, she then had to take out an announcement in a Hawaii paper of the birth...stating that it was in Hawaii.

Very clever of her to plan for her son's eventual Presidency run at his birth!" What kind of $!*# is that? In 1961 or now just having u.s. citizenship is something anyone born outside the country would want. That's a talking point that outs you as an obamatroll... Statements from paid off hacks from the state of hawaii = 0. obamas mother also filed for a hawaiian colb for his sister born in indonesia. You can't really blame her, anyone would want the best for their kids. What good is a kenya bc? Once a colb was issued, birth announcements are sent and are treated like any regular birth, by the birth records office to the newspapers. So what evidence is there? A scanned image of a colb with numerous alterations,-0. A phony backdated selective service draft registration card,-0. He traveled to pakistan but on what passport? Wasn't issued one until he was elected to the senate. Why would mccain's bc be investigated and not 0?... The presidents of the past have special places that are enshrined...I've been to oahu...perhaps you could tell me where to look for barry's place. Maybe he was born at matsumoto's while his ma was getting shaved ice. Or how about a stork dropped him in for a soft landing on the slopes of diamond head. The dole pineapple center! Naaah, I'm not sure it was there in 1961. The hospitals show 0. Myself or anyone else could spend years looking, there is just no records other that newspaper clippings from 49 years ago...
Several years ago I had to prove my identity to the Mass. RMV for a out of state license conversion. It would be quite comical to see their reaction if all I had was a colb from hawaii genuine or not. But according to you there's no problem with 0, whatever he says; (earthquake in hawaii anyone). Maybe your nachos have BT corn mixed in, it's not a bong at all.
What's wrong with Cream? Eric Clapton sounds fine, very talented. "Love of Dixie" from Ole Miss is more my style... When hawaii started to issue colb's they went into the backdoor us citizenship business. If the opportunity exists for people to take advantage of a situation they will!

17 You said "The State of Hawaii issues birth certificates to those who are not born there. That is why."

But Hawaii does not release birth certificates that say on them "born in Hawaii" unless there is proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and Obama's birth certificate--the official Certification of Live Birth--says on it "born in Hawaii." And the facts on that document were confirmed twice by the officials of the Department of Health of Hawaii.

You also said: "And Obama refuses to release his original birth certificate."

Obama has not refused. He simply cannot release the original birth certificate because he does not have it. He only has what Hawaii sent him, and Hawaii no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html)

However, the Certification of Live Birth is now the official birth certificate, and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department.

18 Ron said: "Obamas mother also filed for a hawaiian colb for his sister born in indonesia. "

No she did not. There is no birth file for Obama's sister in Hawaii.

19 Lucky for us all that martinstone1 has access to hawaiian birth records, sorry your mistaken...obamas sisters colb was used to forge the images presented to the public. I repeat, try using it at the MA. RMV...
SO, let's see, how could a person like Ann Dunham (and later BHO when he was an adult) exploit Hawaiian "birth certificate" law?

• file for a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth", using affidavits from herself and her mother saying he was born in Hawaii ...

• convert the "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" to a "Certificate of Late Birth" as state law allows...

• convert the "Certificate of Late Birth" to a "Certificate of Live Birth," with comments in Block 23, "Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration"...

• and then BHO uses the "Certification of Live Birth," which was created and first used in Nov 2001, to hide any prior alterations or modifications!

Did it happen THAT way? It's anyone's guess. BUT because the Hawaiian "birth certificate" program is SO freakin' loose, it's quite possible, with other variations possible as well.
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable:

a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a "Delayed Certificate," that required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.

3. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.
What is wrong with the image on the colb?
1. The image contains digital signatures of Photoshop

2. Only one side of alleged COLB shown (COLB is two-sided)

3. Missing second-fold line while first fold-line is shown

4. Missing the embossed Seal of Hawaii

5. Missing the State Registrar's signature

6. Unusual and unnatural pixilation between the letters of text data

7. Original text was removed by pasting a layer of background over them

8. Different text was typed onto a text layer and merged with background layer

9. Pixel blocks of text data are different from the data headers

10. Heavy and unnecessary sharpening of the whole image, except for the border

11. Border was created as a separate layer and merged with other layers

12. Border pattern is more blurred than the background

13. Border pattern more transparent than those on genuine scans

14. Top and bottom black border bars have less pixilation than text

15. Border bars are more black in color than any of the text

16. Absence of green, background pixels inside the border bar text

17. White lines between border bars and pattern (both sides)

18. Image colors are very different from scan images of real COLBs

19. Lack of pixilation in black rectangle covering certificate number

20. Different blocking artifacts from JPG compression found across the image
It's Invalid!
Bring in the latest news about 16 different social security numbers including one from a guy born in 1890.....which may be just the tip of the iceberg regarding the fraudulent "0"s past......he should be removed from office immediately...50 years in Leavenworth sounds ok...it won't fix all the damage that's been caused...but by all means keep defending this liar.

20 You said: "obamas sisters colb was used to forge the images presented to the public."

Obama's sister, who was not born in Hawaii, does not even have a file in the Hawaiian birth registry. This has been proven by a birther, Leo Donofrio. She does not have a Hawaiian COLB.

All the allegations of forgery are complete baloney. Only two guys who will not give their names have claimed that it is a forgery. No government agency has said anything or taken any action. No expert who has given a name has said that the document was forged, no former expert with the FBI or Treasury said anything. The McCain and Hillary campaigns did not claim that the document was forged.

INSTEAD, the officials in Hawaii--who are members of a Republican governor's administration--have said twice that the facts on Obama's official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth (COLB) are confirmed by the original document in the files.

You said: ""Delayed Certificate,"

The two officials did not say that there was a delayed certificate in the files. They said that there was an original birth certificate. In 1961, it was not possible to put a foreign birth certificate in the files.

Further regarding any delayed birth certificate or Certification of Hawaiian Birth: They required a delay of at least a month before they could be filed. Yet the dates of the birth announcements in the newspapers (filed by the government for births in Hawaii) indicate that there was not a delay.

Further still: Even delayed birth certificates are not allowed to say on them "born in Hawaii" unless there is a witness who confirms birth in Hawaii. Obama's birth certificate says "born in Hawaii" and it was confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii, who are members of a Republican governor's administration.

There is not a shred of evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii. His Kenyan grandmother (step-grandmother actually) did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in "America, Hawaii."

21 so martinstoned1 who in the jedgarbldg did you tick off to get your current assignment...trolling around the internet looking for bloggers who don't believe the obamastory...instead of wasting taxpayers money hassling people who have looked at what's out there for evidence and are able to arrive at a diiferent conclusion than what gov. "officials" are telling everyone to believe...shouldn't you people be out looking for whitey bulger?
maybe you could head up a crack forensic team, spend weeks in the Pali tunnel scraping samples off the walls looking for obama dna. There used to be a giant pineapple water tower in honolulu...maybe it happened there!


http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/list/celebrity-categories.asp?FD=birthplace&ID=Honolulu,%20HI this link about obamas sister claims she was born there.

the donfrio case was thrown out.

whoever you are I don't like liars whether from some gov agency or obamanuts...his "history" has all been sealed from public view...Why?

22 You said: "instead of wasting taxpayers money hassling people who have looked at what's out there for evidence and are able to arrive at a diiferent conclusion."

What evidence? I have cited evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. He has the official birth certificate of Hawaii, which is the only birth certificate that Hawaii sends out. It no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html.) And the facts on that birth certificate were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii.

Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii.

YOur link does not link to anything that discusses Obama's sister. She was born in Indonesia. She does not have a Hawaii COLB or even a Hawaii birth file, as the research of Leo Donofrio has shown.

These are FACTS, not lies. And, by the way, I am a private citizen. I am not being paid. I assume you are not being paid, well I'm not either.

If you simply refuse to accept the facts, that is okay for your dream life. But it doesn't convince anyone.