Priceless
Despite my general dislike of CNN, I've got to hand it to them; they really got this perfect, both photo and headline.
Arianna? Pelosi's already running a deficit.
And don't shed any tears for Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi. Even though her guy lost, this was still a big win for her. A victory for taking a stand -- and for her leadership. Because that's what real leaders do, they take stands. They listen to their hearts and follow their gut. If you only jump into the fights you're sure you can win -- notches in the W column that will look good on your political resume -- you're a hack, not someone who can move the party and the country forward. It's not about trying to have a spotless record; it's about knowing which battles are worth fighting, whatever the outcome. It bodes well for Pelosi that was willing to spend her political capital right off the bat -- especially on the issue that will define her time at the helm. Far too many modern politicians save their political capital until it's lost all its value.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 01:44 PM
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With the final vote for Majority Leader coming out 149-86 in Hoyer's favor, we seem to be witnessing a potential fragmentation of the Democratic Party.
Keep dreaming. You're too used to watching partisan hackery and temper tantrums from the Bush admin the last few years - grown adults handle disagreements a little more maturely than just calling the other guys a bunch of terrorist-loving traitors.
Keep dreaming. You're too used to watching partisan hackery and temper tantrums from the Bush admin the last few years - grown adults handle disagreements a little more maturely than just calling the other guys a bunch of terrorist-loving traitors.
Posted by: legion at November 16, 2006 01:50 PM (3eWKF)
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...grown adults handle disagreements a little more maturely than just calling the other guys a bunch of terrorist-loving traitors.
Ah, but you make the unsupported assumption that politicians act like grown adults. As the picture clearly shows, it is easy to be infantile at any age.
...grown adults handle disagreements a little more maturely than just calling the other guys a bunch of terrorist-loving traitors.
Ah, but you make the unsupported assumption that politicians act like grown adults. As the picture clearly shows, it is easy to be infantile at any age.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 16, 2006 02:14 PM (g5Nba)
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Just maybe, legion, you are too young to remember what Democrats in power are like. It's been a while.
Nancy just blew a big chunk of political capital for no possible big gain. Dumb.
Nancy just blew a big chunk of political capital for no possible big gain. Dumb.
Posted by: Lee at November 16, 2006 02:33 PM (vGlRh)
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Oh I'm well aware of how wrong Dems in power can go. But at least now we have the possibility of some actual progress in between the corruption we just dumped and the corruption yet to come...
And I just love how rightys are portraying a pretty straightforward 149-86 referendum on the trustworthiness of Murtha vs Hoyer for #2 guy as some sort of crippling split in the Dem power base, while completely ignoring the 1-vote margin (and associated narrower mandate) the GOP just displayed in putting Trent Freaking Lott in as their own #2 guy. Sheesh.
And I just love how rightys are portraying a pretty straightforward 149-86 referendum on the trustworthiness of Murtha vs Hoyer for #2 guy as some sort of crippling split in the Dem power base, while completely ignoring the 1-vote margin (and associated narrower mandate) the GOP just displayed in putting Trent Freaking Lott in as their own #2 guy. Sheesh.
Posted by: legion at November 16, 2006 02:44 PM (3eWKF)
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Classic case of a dog finally catching a car after years of chasing them and having no idea what to do next.
Posted by: Alan at November 16, 2006 03:06 PM (A51La)
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Also note the description: From [far] left: Pelosi, ....
Posted by: great unknown at November 16, 2006 03:12 PM (0Co69)
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Legion
And I just love how rightys are portraying a pretty straightforward 149-86 referendum on the trustworthiness of Murtha vs Hoyer for #2 guy as some sort of crippling split in the Dem power base, while completely ignoring the 1-vote margin (and associated narrower mandate) the GOP just displayed in putting Trent Freaking Lott in as their own #2 guy. Sheesh.
House & Senate -- different animals, different agendas
Obviously you've never lived in Chicago, had an alderman walk in the booth with you to show you how the voting machine works, how to flip it for a Straight Dem ticket -- if you want that is --
Then pull the handle for you -- and tell you you're all done.
Tho raised in the Baltimore Dem Machine, That's still Pelosi style, --- She's gonna have some trouble.
Rangle is also advised to remember his powerful predecessor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rostenkowski
Who says crime doesn't pay ? Rostenkoski's congressional retirement check is $300,000 per year (including Social Security) FOR LIFE, plus benefits. Back to the Senate -- Same for Tom Daschle and he's a young guy for a retiree .... so it's a long payout ... your tax dollars at work Legion, that's who you are slaving for till every May (annual tax freedom day). They don't prefund retirement payouts it's pay as you go in the U.S. Fed Govt.
In a class society, you're just a serf, He's Landed Gentry.
Legion .... Hmmmm I've heard that name before (Gospel of Mark 5:8-9)
And I just love how rightys are portraying a pretty straightforward 149-86 referendum on the trustworthiness of Murtha vs Hoyer for #2 guy as some sort of crippling split in the Dem power base, while completely ignoring the 1-vote margin (and associated narrower mandate) the GOP just displayed in putting Trent Freaking Lott in as their own #2 guy. Sheesh.
House & Senate -- different animals, different agendas
Obviously you've never lived in Chicago, had an alderman walk in the booth with you to show you how the voting machine works, how to flip it for a Straight Dem ticket -- if you want that is --
Then pull the handle for you -- and tell you you're all done.
Tho raised in the Baltimore Dem Machine, That's still Pelosi style, --- She's gonna have some trouble.
Rangle is also advised to remember his powerful predecessor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rostenkowski
Who says crime doesn't pay ? Rostenkoski's congressional retirement check is $300,000 per year (including Social Security) FOR LIFE, plus benefits. Back to the Senate -- Same for Tom Daschle and he's a young guy for a retiree .... so it's a long payout ... your tax dollars at work Legion, that's who you are slaving for till every May (annual tax freedom day). They don't prefund retirement payouts it's pay as you go in the U.S. Fed Govt.
In a class society, you're just a serf, He's Landed Gentry.
Legion .... Hmmmm I've heard that name before (Gospel of Mark 5:8-9)
Posted by: Econ-Scott at November 16, 2006 03:35 PM (AIw8T)
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That photo is priceless. I may have it blown up and use it for dart board fodder. One of my regular sent me here, thanks for the laugh!
Posted by: Jenn at November 16, 2006 04:14 PM (QD9ey)
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Econ-Scott,
While I don't doubt anything you said, what does it have to do with this thread?
While I don't doubt anything you said, what does it have to do with this thread?
Posted by: legion at November 16, 2006 05:11 PM (3eWKF)
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She's mad because her friend and favored candidate Murtha lost, Murtha's mad because he lost, Hoyer's happy because he won. What is newsworthy about this, or infantile? Those reactions are entirely normal. How are they supposed to feel? What am I missing here?
Posted by: Earl at November 16, 2006 05:36 PM (x3DGU)
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You know what you're missing, Earl? Macaca.
Posted by: jpe at November 16, 2006 05:50 PM (5ceWd)
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Has there been any speculation that Pelosi's support for Murtha goes beyond "loyalty"? Given Murtha's somewhat shady history, is it possible he has some dirt on Pelosi? It's just seemed odd to me that she continued to support him even though it's been pretty obvious for awhile that he probably did not have the votes. Or maybe she just over-estimated her own influence.
Posted by: Suds46 at November 16, 2006 06:40 PM (yTDDx)
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Once we quit weeping over what these clowns are going to do...it's going to be SUCH FUN to watch them ruin themselves. The Bolshevik Gang that Couldn't Shoot Straight.
The only thing they'll be good at is making conservatives
The only thing they'll be good at is making conservatives
Posted by: El Jefe Maximo at November 16, 2006 08:08 PM (e7we+)
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the corruption yet to come...
By all indications, this new machine came preloaded with plenty of corruption.
By all indications, this new machine came preloaded with plenty of corruption.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 16, 2006 08:22 PM (l8HpH)
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El Jefe: Iraq, Katrina, Mission Accomplished, Osama Been Forgotten, Terry Schiavo, Tom DeLay, Jack Abramoff, Valerie Plame, WMD, Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney, Ted Haggard, George "Macaca" Allen...
You say the Dems are the gang that couldn't shoot straight. Why don't you try leaving Clown World sometime? It's not so bad out here, really, you should try it.
You say the Dems are the gang that couldn't shoot straight. Why don't you try leaving Clown World sometime? It's not so bad out here, really, you should try it.
Posted by: Earl at November 16, 2006 09:35 PM (x3DGU)
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Purple Avenger: the current crop of Repubs and their lobbyists are the most corrupt in modern memory: Cunningham, Abramoff, DeLay, Pombo, Ney, Brent Wilkes, Dusty Foggo, Safavian, Scanlon, Pombo, Weldon, etc etc are all in jail, under investigation, or irrefutably bankrupt morally. Rumor has it that Abramoff is still singing, and this list is not complete anyway.
The Dem William Jefferson is a crook. Murtha has some questions to answer, and maybe Harry Reid does also, but these two are very small potatoes compared to what your boys are in prison for. You're seeing what you want to see.
The Dem William Jefferson is a crook. Murtha has some questions to answer, and maybe Harry Reid does also, but these two are very small potatoes compared to what your boys are in prison for. You're seeing what you want to see.
Posted by: Earl at November 16, 2006 09:45 PM (x3DGU)
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This is a huge story. So big that about 85% of the people in the country have no idea it even happened.
Posted by: Pug at November 16, 2006 09:47 PM (P9o6O)
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the current crop of Repubs and their lobbyists are the most corrupt in modern memory
I remember the last democrat congress. It was worse.
I remember the last democrat congress. It was worse.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 16, 2006 10:43 PM (l8HpH)
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churchill was always careful to be magnanimous in victory.
he kept chamberalin in his cabinet after replacing him.
pelosi should have been nicer to steny.
now, instead of a loyal number two, the caucus is split and her power;lessness exposed.
idiot.
and murtha - instread of fighting for the spot with everything he had, he shoulda cut n run. heh.
he kept chamberalin in his cabinet after replacing him.
pelosi should have been nicer to steny.
now, instead of a loyal number two, the caucus is split and her power;lessness exposed.
idiot.
and murtha - instread of fighting for the spot with everything he had, he shoulda cut n run. heh.
Posted by: reliapundit at November 16, 2006 10:49 PM (5SrUH)
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Purple Avenger: bull, and that's why you don't even try to back it up. Go on, list the Dems from 90-94 who ended up in jail or resigned in disgrace. There probably were some, but nothing like what we are seeing now.
Like I said, you see what you want to see, even when you can't even prove your beliefs to yourself.
Like I said, you see what you want to see, even when you can't even prove your beliefs to yourself.
Posted by: Earl at November 16, 2006 10:51 PM (x3DGU)
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reliapundit: a cute little baby Instapundit, heh.
It must be nice to live in a world as simple as yours. Maybe one day you'll grow up and realize that anyone who says "the left|right|GOP|Dems|whatever is the root of all evil" is a moron.
It must be nice to live in a world as simple as yours. Maybe one day you'll grow up and realize that anyone who says "the left|right|GOP|Dems|whatever is the root of all evil" is a moron.
Posted by: Earl at November 16, 2006 11:00 PM (x3DGU)
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World's BEST pout! lol
Posted by: chrys at November 17, 2006 01:44 AM (jIOFZ)
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I'm not sure which network news program I saw this on, might have bee PBS, but they covered quite a bit of this press conference and the whole time Murtha was scowling, pouting and grimacing in the background, he even stalked off early and had to be dragged back for pictures. The newsreader concluded the report with this gem, "Today, the Democrats were all smiles."
Posted by: Mr. Forward at November 17, 2006 02:56 AM (QZahU)
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It bodes well for Pelosi that was willing to spend her political capital right off the bat
Funny how she gets credit for "spending political capital" over this, but the President somehow squandered his when he held a madman in Iraq accountable for his actions.
Funny how she gets credit for "spending political capital" over this, but the President somehow squandered his when he held a madman in Iraq accountable for his actions.
Posted by: CombatRob at November 17, 2006 08:19 AM (k2Uat)
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Hoyer wins 149-86, Trent Lott wins by one vote, yet the Democrats are the ones divided. This has been another lesson in living with adult dyslexia by the Confederate Yankee.
Posted by: Fred at November 17, 2006 09:42 AM (dbo1X)
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I remember the last democrat congress. It was worse.
I do too, PA, and you're utterly full of crap. That Congress had plenty of crooks in it, but none of them so completely reneged on their job to provide oversight that they let the President slide on so many mistakes, crimes, and screw-ups. It's their job to keep the Pres in check, and even a bad Dem Congress could do that better than this crowd of cretins that's about to get shown the door. In fact, that's _why_ they're getting shown the door.
Oh, and Earl? I'll go ahead and get this out of the way for our more right-leaning commenters: In your list of corrupt Repubs, you listed Pombo twice. That, like, totally negates your entire point!
I do too, PA, and you're utterly full of crap. That Congress had plenty of crooks in it, but none of them so completely reneged on their job to provide oversight that they let the President slide on so many mistakes, crimes, and screw-ups. It's their job to keep the Pres in check, and even a bad Dem Congress could do that better than this crowd of cretins that's about to get shown the door. In fact, that's _why_ they're getting shown the door.
Oh, and Earl? I'll go ahead and get this out of the way for our more right-leaning commenters: In your list of corrupt Repubs, you listed Pombo twice. That, like, totally negates your entire point!
Posted by: legion at November 17, 2006 10:37 AM (3eWKF)
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ChickenhawkRob: "Funny how she gets credit for 'spending political capital' over this, but the President somehow squandered his when he held a madman in Iraq accountable for his actions."
So you think 3,000 soldiers, billions of dollars on our national credit card, and untold civilian casualties -- with no end in sight -- are worth deposing a tin pot dictator who was a threat to no one. Clown World is full of intrigue.
So you think 3,000 soldiers, billions of dollars on our national credit card, and untold civilian casualties -- with no end in sight -- are worth deposing a tin pot dictator who was a threat to no one. Clown World is full of intrigue.
Posted by: Earl at November 17, 2006 11:36 AM (x3DGU)
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Legion - thanks, they will indeed take what they can get at this stage of the game.
Posted by: Earl at November 17, 2006 11:37 AM (x3DGU)
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I'm new to this site but not new to the world. I don't think it would be a stretch to say we all know there's corruption on both sides of the aisle, but as I was reading all these blogs, I'm thinking: 'These sound like intelligent, informed people. I wonder if they're DOING anything to help improve the 'system' or just flexing their 'knowledge expounding' muscles.' I'm thinking that, with all the intelligence I see here, that someone could come up with an idea for getting this country back to the ideals of our Founding Fathers, and not just talking (or arguing)about how bad it is and which party did what (and got caught). What can we do to change things?
Posted by: mngranny at November 17, 2006 01:15 PM (Jlwx3)
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