Confederate Yankee
January 28, 2009
KILL the BILL
The Multi-Generational Financial Rape Act—a 1.1-trillion dollar pork-laden monstrosity of self-serving governmental bloat—will come up for a vote tomorrow, and at least the Republican leadership and some Blue Dog Democrats have the good sense to recognize that this Obama/Pelosi wish list is going to crush the economy, not help it.
Michelle Malkin notes that the "stimulus" being pitched is going to cost each American family
ten thousand dollars.
$10,000. Do
you have that to hand over? Do you mind if Obama and Pelosi steal that money from
your kids?
Call your Congressional offices and order them to kill this nightmare. They work for you.
And it's past time you reminded them of that.
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I've been hearing for 8 long years that Clinton took the country from recession to a balanced budget. So let's repeat history. The best that could be done with this stimulus is to repeat the fate of the Clinton 1993 stimulus (it never passed).
Posted by: Neo at January 28, 2009 11:17 AM (Yozw9)
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Politicians work for you?
Have you been living on the moon for the last 3000 years?
Politicians do assume, and always have assumed, that they are the masters and everyone else their slaves.
And for all of history they have been correct (the infrequent slave revolts just put another set of masters in charge).
This thing will sail through congress without any real opposition.
In fact most likely it will start to get bigger if anything as more senators and congressmen add pork to shore up their own regions and especially lobbyists paying them handsomely (what's a few millions in "contributions" if you get a few hundred million in pork in return).
And without any chance of a presidential veto for even the worst excesses, there's no stopping them.
Posted by: J.T. Wenting at January 28, 2009 11:41 AM (hrLyN)
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I knew Bush should have focused on getting the line item veto passed. It's one of the better defenses against pork-loving legislators. But no ... he was busy defending the citizens against another terrorist attack on American soil. And look at the thanks he got for that!
Oh well ... the line item veto would never be used by Obama anyway. He wants to spend more, a lot more, rather than less.
Marianne Matthews
Posted by: Marianne Matthews at January 28, 2009 04:39 PM (doHlr)
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My Congressman is Etheridge. I'm badly outnumbered here. I'll give him my 2 cents worth, but that's about all that will happen I'm afraid.
Posted by: Larry at January 28, 2009 04:58 PM (v9zij)
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Maybe this is that tingling Chris Matthews noticed? FYI, the Line Item Veto Act was passed in 1996 and Clinton V. New York resulted in the SCOTUS declaring the act unconstitutional because Congress cannot give the President power to unilaterally change parts of statutes passed by Congress. He can veto the whole but not the parts. It will take a constitutional amendment to give the Executive that power and with the Democrats controlling both chambers doubtful.
Posted by: Pat Patterson at January 28, 2009 10:47 PM (6SDmD)
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I knew Bush should have focused on getting the line item veto passed.
BTDT. Clinton had it for about 9 months before it was declared unconstitutional. Now it will take a constitutional amendment to get one.
Posted by: PA at January 31, 2009 04:14 AM (Ygf78)
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January 26, 2009
Obama's al-Interview
I see that Drudge is linking Jake Tapper's post on Barack Obama granting his first television interview to al-Arabiya, a Dubai-based cable news channel that reaches 23 million in the region. That he would now attempt to woo this audience as he successfully did so many American voters is hardly surprising. Whether or not he succeeds is another matter entirely.
While his
first phone call as President was to Abu Mazen, the terrorist leader of Fatah who financed the massacre of Israeli athletes in the 1972 Olympics and was therefore a revolting first act, Obama seems to be attempting a direct diplomacy of sorts with the people of the region, and deserves some credit for making the attempt.
I somewhat suspect that the people who receive the channel will be fascinated and a bit curious for the short term before writing Obama off as simply another American President, but the larger issue is what the region's dictators and royals make of him. I suspect they'll write him off as a bloviating dandy without the sand to engage in any meaningful deterrence in the region.
Sadly, I'm afraid that they are probably spot-on with that assessment, though only time will tell.
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Uh... they'll probly think he's Muslim. After all, he was raised Muslim. He's making Muslim dialogue and "reach out" his #1 priority. So, they'll figure he's "signalling" to the Muslim world that they have a Muslim in the office of President of the United States of America.
That they do, quite obviously... to anyone who looks at it logically.
That they do.
Of course he's signaling that he's Muslim!!!!
Posted by: l at January 26, 2009 09:26 PM (KquNY)
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No kidding? The One's first phone call as president was to Abu Mazen!
And they gave Bush sh*t about his alleged connections to the House of Saud!
UFB!
Posted by: Da Possum at January 27, 2009 11:33 AM (amVG/)
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You failed to mention that Abbas happens to be the President of the Palestinian Authority.
Obama made a string of phone calls which included Abbas, Olmert, Mubarak, and King Abdullah. It's called basic diplomacy. Who gets called first isn't very relevant unless you have a limited ability to grasp what's important.
And who else is Obama going to talk to concerning Palestine if not Abbas? Friggin' Hamas?!
Posted by: SPW at January 27, 2009 11:49 AM (VftLx)
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I'd also point out that if Abbas is so reviled, then why did Bush have him over to the White House in 2005?
Answer: Because he is the go to contact in dealing with Palestine.
And please spare us the patronizing tone that "Obama deserves some credit for making the attempt."
If you really believed that then you wouldn't have posted such a slanted interpretation of the phone call depicting Abbas as a terrorist rather than the President of the Palestinian authority. The intent there is to paint picture of Obama as terrorist sympathizer.
That is some weak sauce your dishing out.
Posted by: SPW at January 27, 2009 01:36 PM (VftLx)
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Well, gee, SPW, I can't think of any people he might have called first, except may the PM of Great Britain, the leaders of other NATO countries, the PM of Canada, the President of Mexico, Medevev, maybe the PM of Israel...
My issue isn't so much that he called Abu Mazzen, but it sure seems an odd choice as the first.
Posted by: XBradTC at January 27, 2009 06:23 PM (dS5/D)
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Great Britain is our foremost ally.
Japan is one of our foremost trading partners, and a major US ally.
China is one of our largest trading partners, with the ability to affect the ongoing Great Recession.
Russia has the most nukes.
But Abbas is the first person that Obama calls as POTUS?
It'll be an interesting four years.
Posted by: Lurking Observer at January 27, 2009 06:39 PM (JA8JW)
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This is not going to end well for free people of the world. You can feel the storm brewing.
Posted by: bill at January 27, 2009 08:36 PM (7evkT)
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Thankfully heads of state have stronger egos than you seem to think. This is a non-issue.
Posted by: SPW at January 27, 2009 08:42 PM (KzMKD)
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Nice changing of goal-posts, SPW.
So, calling Abbas first is meaningful to him, but other leaders should pay no mind?
In reality, who the newly sworn-in POTUS calls first is taken as very important, especially by allies in places like Asia.
When one President (I think it may have been Bill Clinton) called the President of South Korea before calling the Prime Minister of Japan, this was seen as a significant statement about how the US was going to deal with Tokyo (as well as Seoul), by both Japanese and South Koreans.
Posted by: Lurking Observer at January 28, 2009 08:23 AM (JA8JW)
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Nice changing of goal-posts, SPW.
So, calling Abbas first is meaningful to him, but other leaders should pay no mind?
In reality, who the newly sworn-in POTUS calls first is taken as very important, especially by allies in places like Asia.
When one President (I think it may have been Bill Clinton) called the President of South Korea before calling the Prime Minister of Japan, this was seen as a significant statement about how the US was going to deal with Tokyo (as well as Seoul), by both Japanese and South Koreans.
Posted by: Lurking Observer at January 28, 2009 08:26 AM (JA8JW)
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this Obama will prove to us (U.S.) that he is the most incompitent president ever... he is dangerous and evil.....
Posted by: danpa at January 28, 2009 12:35 PM (/vFCA)
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If he can talk to Sen Boner, there's nothing wrong with talking to Mazen.
Posted by: Flash Override at January 28, 2009 06:52 PM (0uFmy)
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Lurking Observer,
I don't think I'm "changing goal posts." A short war had just taken place in Israel/Gaza. Obama called all leaders in that region as his first priority. I don't think Russia or the U.K. are going to be upset about that. Is Israel going to be upset? I sincerely doubt it. They all got phone calls and I don't think they are splitting hairs about who he talked to first. They aren't that petty.
"this Obama will prove to us (U.S.) that he is the most incompitent president ever... he is dangerous and evil....." -danpa
Well I bet his spelling is better than yours. It's 'incompetent.'
Posted by: SPW at January 28, 2009 07:08 PM (VftLx)
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Has Obama gotten around to calling Israel yet??
Or is that a message in and of itself??
The cold shoulder?? And Muslims getting all the first calls?
Maybe Obama should have placed an overseas phone call first to the nation of which he's a legal citizen: Indonesia.
Can we deport him?? I mean, I'm not really sure he's a domestic enemy. I think Obama's a foreign enemy posing as a domestic enemy.
Posted by: l at January 28, 2009 09:29 PM (KquNY)
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l,
read the linked article. He called Israel along with all the other major nations of the Middle East.
Posted by: SPW at January 30, 2009 05:04 PM (VftLx)
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January 23, 2009
Obama's War on Terror "Surrender" May Mean Another Lincoln Moment in His Future
Over at Wizbang today, Kim Priestap notes the Washington Post article that seems to be a tacit admission that the War on Terror that the United States has waged with a good deal of success in the wake of 9/11 has not survived the first 100 hours of the Obama Presidency:
While Obama says he has no plans to diminish counterterrorism operations abroad, the notion that a president can circumvent long-standing U.S. laws simply by declaring war was halted by executive order in the Oval Office.
Key components of the secret structure developed under Bush are being swept away: The military's Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, facility, where the rights of habeas corpus and due process had been denied detainees, will close, and the CIA is now prohibited from maintaining its own overseas prisons. And in a broad swipe at the Bush administration's lawyers, Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001.
It was a swift and sudden end to an era that was slowly drawing to a close anyway, as public sentiment grew against perceived abuses of government power. The feisty debate over the tactics employed against al-Qaeda began more than six years ago as whispers among confidants with access to the nation's most tightly held secrets. At the time, there was consensus in Congress and among the public that the United States would be attacked again and that government should do what was necessary to thwart the threat.
The lapdog liberals that support Obama are cheering the immediate return to the law enforcement model of counter-terrorism, somehow able to view that as a victory, even though that flawed model led us to void in the Manhattan skyline, a smoking crater in Shanksville, and a gaping wound in the hide of the Pentagon.
That failure also led the United States to engage in wars we are still fighting, with hundreds of thousands of Americans and foreigners killed and wounded in a struggle that first started in this nation's infancy.
Thomas Jefferson was the first American President to deal with this ideology, and dealt with it decisively with naval cannon and Marine Corps bayonets. To this day, Marine officers carry the Mameluke sword as a tribute to the honor they won in that conflict. Since the beginning of this nation we have understood that dealing with terrorism sometimes means terrorists must be put to the sword.
Our new President prefers to think that subpoenas are more effective, despite the fact every American President who has avoided conflict with modern terrorists—Carter, Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Clinton—has only served to encourage its growth. Only our most recent President sought to put terrorists and terrorist states on the defensive through military means, and as a result, we did not see another successful terror attack in the final seven years of his Presidency. Say what you will about his his domestic programs, his expansion of government, his expansive view of executive authority, and the loss—God forbid—of popularity among the world's lesser nations.
He kept us safe.
Barack Obama, less than a week into the first executive leadership role of his entire life, dispensed with all that has succeeded these past seven years
without review.
He disarmed America with the arrogant stroke of a pen, secure in his belief that his idealism and ideology will keep us safe.
Instead, as North Korean continues it's nuclear program, Iran draws ever closer towards nuclear warheads of their own, and Pakistan's arsenal wavers in unsteady hands as it squares off against India without and Islamists within, Barack Obama faces the possibility of carrying out yet another parallel with Abraham Lincoln.
Cold Harbor, 1865. Picking up the pieces.
A Presidency that sees the death of hundreds of thousands on American soil.
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Looks like someone is the Decider here. Well, we had that election and anyone who didn't know they were voting for this change is an idiot but I wax redundant. Hey, maybe the peacemongers are right. Maybe hugs and fluffy pillows are the answer to global radical jihad. In any event, we shall see. Will it take 911 Jr. to get half the country on board? After all, for the first time in their lives they are truly proud of their country. It is an unsettling feeling, I'll wager.
Posted by: megapotamus at January 23, 2009 04:17 PM (LF+qW)
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9/11 junior? The next one will make 9/11 seem like a minor tickling sensation.
Think AQ bioterror attack, using bubonic plague or some other nasty bug against major population centers.
Can you say a hundred thousand dead?
And Obama will not acknowledge even then that he was wrong, instead trying to sweep any evidence under the table that it was not a natural event.
Posted by: J.T. Wenting at January 23, 2009 04:56 PM (hrLyN)
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I get the feeling it isn't really ideology - but arrogance and a sense of self-righteousness.
I have a feeling Obama will take the Kennedy path in dealing with the contemporary global threat that laughs at our (democracy's) laws and methods.
Kennedy was a big fan of the CIA and black ops and whatnot.
I think a man like Obama --- judging by his rising from the Chicago machine, and doings like knocking his opponents off ballots, and hanging out with the likes of Ayers and his wife and the likes of Wright, and things like wiping away 7 years of legal work on opinions and executive orders with the stroke of a pen --- is the kind of person who will think HE is the right man to be able to decide when tough interrogation methods are to be used and assassinations take place and people held without being disclosed to the public.
I would bet money right now that if we wait around 25 to 50 years ---- and get a chance to see government documents from Obama's reign that become declassified ----- we'll see Obama's people doing very similar things as Bush's....
....I really have little doubt about that...
Posted by: usinkorea at January 23, 2009 05:16 PM (o2JAr)
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I should have added an "of course" ---
Of course, Obama's move to using the Kennedy method of dealing with such a global menace will likely not come until at least a mid-level strike happens and he is forced to "react" - something like any one of the string of attacks that happened under Clinton's watch.
That is what I mean: I believe Obama will not be a Clinton but a Kennedy. He'll end up viewing the CIA as his own private army to use as he sees best, because he, not Bush, is righteous enough to understand what is good for America (while obviously Bush's badness made his own opinions wrongheaded from the start.)
Posted by: usinkorea at January 23, 2009 05:22 PM (o2JAr)
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"secure in his belief that his idealism and ideology will keep us safe'. He is secure in 'his idealism' since he was reared in Islam. Millions like to deny or overlook that but it appears he in now in full bore protection of radical murdering Islamist.
One of his friends will give him his Lincoln/Kennedy moment.
Posted by: Scrapiron at January 23, 2009 09:06 PM (I4yBD)
Posted by: PA at January 23, 2009 10:44 PM (Ygf78)
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Iran will develop nuclear weapons. Obama will do nothing, other than send Hilary to engage in smart diplomacy. They will nuc Israel and America. Other terrorist organizations will attack America. Obama will not come to the aid of Israel. Obama will urge all Americans not to jump to conclusions and will call for calm and restraint from all parties. Obama will reduce American industrial capacity to a tiny fraction of current levels through environmental regulations and massive gas taxes, which will make the inevitable Arab oil embargo (they'll smell blood in the water and develop a more overt appreciation for jihad) against America somewhat less of a pain. We'll have universal health care, but there will be no doctors to provide it. Obama's respect for the Second Amendment will extend to taking all firearms into government safekeeping. By then, most Americans will be too morally feeble to object and the permanent class of government employees, dependent on the taxes of the few still productive, will go out to collect them, and will use deadly force against their fellow citizens to ensure their own favored place at the public trough.
Today, Obama reminded Republicans that he won. When a "leader" does that, there is no surer sign of their fecklessness and utter lack of morality. We're in for a rough ride.
Posted by: Mike at January 23, 2009 11:53 PM (3+MmZ)
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"I would bet money right now that if we wait around 25 to 50 years ---- and get a chance to see government documents from Obama's reign that become declassified ----- we'll see Obama's people doing very similar things as Bush's...."
With the difference that he will use them against US citizens rather than terrorists.
You're talking about a person who loathes his own country and loves radical Islamists.
Posted by: J.T. Wenting at January 24, 2009 12:57 AM (hrLyN)
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For those who think JFK's foreign policy was laudable, remember what happened on his watch.
The Bay of Pigs was botched by him changing the plan and refusing to provide air support to troops we put on the beach facing 140:1. Brothers Jorge and Mario de Sylvia and Tito Reyes were cadets at Culver with me. Jorge was killed. The others ransomed for tractors.
As a plebe at Annapolis in October 1962, our Marine and aviator company officers went somewhere. The landing craft we were going to use in an amphibious landing were suddenly unavailable. Kennedy nearly started WWIII. The deal he made gave up our missiles in Turkey and guaranteed a Communist Cuba, enslaving millions for a half century.
Against Eisenhower's advice about a land war in Asia, Kennedy began our involvement in Vietnam, a war that killed 58,249 Americans and wounded 302,000 others.
Camelot it was not.
Posted by: arch at January 24, 2009 08:05 AM (ZZW37)
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There are a couple of issues once the Gitmo prisoners are taken to the US Mainland. Because they were on foreign soil, the sordid prisoner caselaw that developed since the Warren Court was not applicable to them. Once they touch US soil all that abominable pack of legalisms will be at their beck and call (and their ACLU lawyers') to daily harass the federal courts until they find a Carter or Clinton or Obama appointee to free them.
Also, Mr. Obama represents the Executive Branch, which means if he repudiates the legal basis for holding the prisoners, as he has done with the issuance of his ill advised Executive Orders, the Courts will be hard pressed to find such continued detention lawful especially if the terrorists are on US soil. Moreover, as the countries of origins of these terrorists will either facilitate their continued terrorism or imprison them under worse conditions, the lily livered liberals in federal courts, will not allow them to be deported. Can you say Khalid Mohammad guilty as sin free as a bird? Again, the self righteous hypocrisy of liberals will once again endanger this Republic.
Posted by: eaglewingz08 at January 24, 2009 09:34 AM (qh8b9)
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Eaglewingz208 points out the real problem here. That heretofore much of the court system has been hesitant to address the detainees as they were not on US soil (which is a major reason Gitmo was chosen in the first place).
That argument will go away. And you can bet there are thousands of lawyers and judges eager to set new precedent and get their names in the law school texts.
And I do understand the desire on the Left to minimize the awesome power of the state and to protect civil liberties. I am, after all, a conservative, and these are issues at the heart of conservativism.
But the fact is, the attempt to endow our enemies with the civil liberties of our citizens is unprecedented in human history. And quite obviously ill advised. I'm reminded that Tom Clancy wrote Patriot Games in 1987 and referenced that one goal of a terrorist was to use its civilized institutions against itself to lead to its own destruction. The man is prescient in more ways than most recognize when it comes to terrorism.
Posted by: XBradTC at January 24, 2009 12:53 PM (PANS/)
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XBradTC's last point is the key one:
They are not trying to protect our civil liberties - they are not even trying to protect the Geneva Conventions --- they are trying to extend the rights of American citizens and those spelled out clearly for bona fide soldiers fighting in a conflict to every single person on earth. Every person involved in global terrorism is either supposed to be treated as a POW or as a John Gotti. It is absurd, and it empowers the terrorist organizations greatly.
Posted by: usinkorea at January 24, 2009 06:13 PM (aaQCx)
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I remember that episode, where they shut down CTU and all sorts of bad crap happened. Oh wait, that was TV? Is this where Obama is getting his ideas, and if so, what does that say about which side he's really on?
Posted by: HatlessHessian at January 24, 2009 11:50 PM (3/V8w)
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When Dubya first arrived in office, he pretty much negated many of Clinton's policies. Thus, he made it clear that Kyoto was dead (not that Clinton had submitted it to Congress for ratification), reversed some of the last EPA rulings, made it clear he would review the 1994 Agreed Framework with North Korea, etc.
This was characterized as throwing out the baby with the bathwater, b/c it was mindlessly rejecting Clinton initiatives, simply b/c they were Clinton's.
The AP, by contrast, views Obama's comparable broad rejection of Dubya's policies as "ending divisiveness and partisanship."
Heh. Fortunately, we have an unbiased press.
Posted by: Lurking Observer at January 25, 2009 12:57 PM (zCieo)
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"He who defends everything, defends nothing." -Frederick II
Posted by: SPW at January 25, 2009 09:07 PM (VftLx)
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I hate to shatter Lurking Observer's illusions with reality, but the Senate killed Kyoto, not Bush - the Senate, controlled by Democrats killed it with a 99-0 vote.
Posted by: Da Possum at January 26, 2009 11:54 AM (amVG/)
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"...the notion that a president can circumvent long-standing U.S. laws simply by declaring war..."
I guess none of the editors at the WaPo could be bothered to check who is authorized to declare war?
(hint: it ain't the President.)
Posted by: Larry at January 28, 2009 12:37 AM (xa1/W)
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Baracki, Don't Forget My Number
The classical music played in Obama's inauguration was taped two days earlier, and people are now making Milli Vanilli comparisons.
You're a little late, folks, but welcome to the show!
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the music was just as real as Obama himself.
I call that fitting...
Posted by: J.T. Wenting at January 23, 2009 10:44 AM (hrLyN)
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too freakin funny!
And that was written months before most of us even knew who he was!
Posted by: Vin at January 23, 2009 11:01 AM (4GWtm)
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...And the Grinning Rictus, Fareed Zakaria, used that same "live" performance on GPS as background to a piece on Inauguration Rhetoric with an emphasis on Obama's "Flghts".
All I could think of was the deceit as Franklin Roosevelt talked about fearing fear!
Does anyone remember the opening Olympic ceremony in Beijing this past year...?
Posted by: elixelx at January 25, 2009 05:38 PM (5+Q1U)
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IT'S ON: Informant Grathwohl to Confront Terrorist Ayers
Larry Grathwohl, a soldier who penetrated the Weather Underground at the time the group attempted three mass murders, will attempt to confront domestic terrorist (and Obama family friend) Bill Ayers at Saint Mary's College in Moraga, CA on January 28.
Grathwohl will be a
featured speaker at a
protest against Ayers organized by Move America Forward.
Ayers is presently on a book tour promoting a book on "social justice" that more than likely skips over how must justice can be found in the elimination of
25 million in concentration camps once hoped for by the leadership of the Weather Underground.
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Oh,God I would give anything to watch this a$$hole
stutter,spin,and twitch when this guy exposes this domestic terrorist that liberals call a"mis-understood professor that was guilty of a little vandalism when Obama was just 8 yrs. old".
Problem is Freedom of speech doesn't apply to these people when they are being called out.
He will dodge them and yell for protection from the police or campus like he did against Fox News.
Posted by: Baxter Greene at January 23, 2009 10:15 AM (5NHPy)
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I heard he was planning to confront Ayers on the Canadian portion of his book tour, but the Canadians refused to let Ayers in!
hehehehehehe!
Posted by: Da Possum at January 23, 2009 10:40 AM (i56al)
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Melanie Morgan was on my radio program last night discussing this for a half hour. She (and others) is leading the charge to confront Ayers at St. Mary's College and vows she will continue to track Ayers "and hound him to the gates of hell."
You can listen to the interview at
http://blogtalkradio.com/stations/headingright/askshow
We scooped Bill O'Reilly with this one -- Melanie will be on with him next Tuesday (1-27), the night before the campus confrontation.
Andrea
Posted by: Andrea Shea King at January 23, 2009 11:14 AM (SqMmw)
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I am grateful for Grathwohl and hope he gets the opportunity to give Ayers a good piece of his mind. BTW iowahawk has a hilarious satire piece you should all read if you haven't already done so.
Posted by: eaglewingz08 at January 25, 2009 01:35 PM (qh8b9)
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January 21, 2009
Whitehouse.gov Contradicts Obama's Gun Claims
Despite numerous public claims in the past that he would leave gun owners alone, reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban and enacting other restrictions are very much on Barack Obama's "Urban Policy" agenda.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/
Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
The Tiahrt Amendment does not unduly restrict law enforcement investigations; to the contrary, it keeps law enforcement agencies honest, making sure they cannot abuse gun trace data. Both the BATFE and FOP (Fraternal Order of Police) oppose the release of the information protected by the Tiahrt Amendment citing a threat to on-going investigations and to the lives of undercover officers and informants.
So if law enforcement agencies get all the trace data they need to solve specific crimes and law enforcement itself is against repealing Tiahrt, why would Obama be for it? Some would speculate that Obama's fellow gun-banning proponents such as Chicago Mayor Daley and New York Mayor Bloomberg might find a way to use this data to fire off another round of lawsuits hoping to cripple or bankrupt the gun industry.
As for "commonsense measures," the man who
tried to corrupt constitutional scholarship and doled out funds to some of the
most rabid anti-gun groups in the United States simply has no credibility for having common sense on the matter, as he's supported outright bans and has been openly hostile to firearm owners in the past.
As for the infamous "gun show loophole," it is completely
false, a
myth. It simply doesn't exist.
The same gun store dealers that perform background checks at their retail locations are required by law to perform those same background checks at gun shows. Private sellers have never been required to perform a background check
anywhere, whether selling it in a person-to-person sale at a gun show or in their home. The
only reason to push for such legislation is to further erode the rights of Americans and expand government control in your lives.
As for "childproofing guns," there is no proven or near-term solution that can both render a firearm inoperable for some users and still leave it reliable enough for use as a self defense weapon for law enforcement or civilian use. Various gimmicks have been trotted out in the past; all have been commercial failures because the inherent unreliability of such systems compromises the confidence of the shooter, and their faith in the tool.
Further, "childproofing guns" is not something that can be done retroactively, meaning tens of millions of existing guns would either need to be grandfathered—rendering the law immediately useless—or the guns themselves would have to be modified to comply with the law at taxpayer expense. How many billions of our tax dollars does President Obama intend to spend assuring compliance of a law that makes a potentially deadly tool unreliable in the hands of those most prone to needing it in a time of life-threatening danger? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. Expansive gun laws aren't about saving lives, but asserting control.
As for reinstating the laughably ineffective Assault Weapons Ban—which Joe Biden still inexplicably like to take credit for authoring despite its utter failure—this too, is an attempt to control the lives and rights of law-abiding Americans, and an attempt that has a well-documented history of accomplishing next to nothing.
During the life of the ban (1994-2004) semi-automatic rifles and pistols increased in sales and became more widespread. So-called "assault rifles" and high capacity magazines sold in higher numbers than ever before
during the ban. It did so because then Senator Biden and his fellow gun-banners are idiots, outlawing cosmetic features, knowing that a law affecting how the guns actually work would never stand a constitutional challenge. As a result, firearms that were "assault weapons" the day before the ban drops several scary-looking features that did not slow their rate of fire or affect their accuracy, and were legal again the very next day.
Below on the left is the infamous TEC-9 that Congressmen and Senators made such a big deal of being a preferred weapon of gangs and drug dealers. Beside it is the cynically-named AB-10, the "After-ban" version of the exact same gun that was legally on store shelves the day the ban took effect.
The law did not save lives, though it did have one interesting, unforeseen consequence: the creation of an entire new market of small, powerful handguns designed for concealed carry.
While the high capacity magazine ban portion of the ban raised the cost of magazines for existing models, it also had the unintended consequence of convincing gun designers that if they were restricted to guns that only carried ten-round magazines, then these guns needed to be small, light, concealable, and powerful. As concealed carry laws were becoming more widespread across the country during this same ten years, this new market exploded, creating a market niche and even created
entire companies to cater to that market where none had before existed.
Barack Obama continues to lie to the public about his intentions towards our Second Amendment rights, but may end up doing nothing more than making the American people more heavily armed, and the shooting industry among the most recession-proof.
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The 2nd amendment is about to be trashed. Don't be surprised if the gun banners takes on your ammo supply, too. A 300 pct tax on bullets will slow people down.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at January 21, 2009 11:17 PM (wRkgq)
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And this is a surprise?
Posted by: Adriane at January 21, 2009 11:48 PM (W7nzI)
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If Democrats were serious about gun control, then they need do only one thing, actually prosecute criminals caught with illegal weapons. Suspects arrested in a couple recent cop killings in Philly, PA all have multiple previous gun charges against them that were dropped, never prosecuted. Not only that, if they think that gun crime is so bad, how about executing criminals whose crimes result in the death of any victims. They claim that the death penalty does not deter crime. That is not true because we have yet to test whether it does. 1000 executions over 20+ years of the death penalty nowhere near matches the 14,000 murders a year....
Posted by: Fred Fry at January 22, 2009 07:51 AM (JXdhy)
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In the past year, I rejoined the NRA and increased my gun collection by five - two .45s, a Shotgun, a .22 rifle and an M1 Garand.
As a hedge against excise taxes on ammunition, I bought a Lyman Crusher single stage press and all the accessories to reload .45 ACP. I have about 500 brass cases and when I shoot box ammo, I clean it up adding to my reloading stock. CCI Blazer ammo goes for 38¢ a round and I can reload for about 26¢. So far, I've bought enough Red Dot powder to load 5,500 rounds. This week I will stock up on CCI primers. If bullets get too expensive, I'll cast my own.
I can't justify reloading 30-06 when I can buy Lake City M2 .30 Cal ball at 28¢/round. Recurring reloading cost 40¢. For me, maintaining basic rifle proficiency takes less practice than shooting the 45. I'm planning to buy 5,000 M2 rounds this Winter.
I am considering buying a cheap handgun and an M1 barreled receiver. Since I have a concealed carry permit, if there is an unconstitutional handgun registration or outright ban, I could throw them those two.
Posted by: arch at January 22, 2009 08:40 AM (ZZW37)
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Concerned Citizen, that will be interesting since I reload my own ammo. I can even make my own bullets and, push come to shove, black powder (although smokeless is a little out of my league...for now).
Arch, my carry piece is a Glock 29 in 10mm. For 50 rounds of the cheap, remanufactured stuff, it's $33. I can load 50 for around $9. For my Evil Black Rifle, I shoot 6.8SPC which is $1 a round. I can reload for $.30 or so. For .45ACP, I think my cost is like $.09 a round (since I can use non-jacketed lead).
Granted, I don't save money, I just end up shooting more. But it also gives me practically everything I need to avoid any new taxes on ammo. I'm stocking up on primers, too. Having a few thousand on hand is a good idea since they're the most difficult part of ammunition to make on your own.
Posted by: Robb Allen at January 22, 2009 10:11 AM (MPhK9)
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I posted this in the comments here the other day on this post:
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/281442.php
This is the same passage he had on his campaign site, and then on change.gov. It's been on Obama's sites for months, and now it's just been transferred to the WH site. Why do people think this is new?
Posted by: stace at January 22, 2009 10:31 AM (JO0c/)
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Now is a good time for rights supporters to fortify their resolve to defend those rights with the full Founding Era facts about the Second Amendment. The Origin of the Second Amendment is the only complete document collection of relevant period sources demonstrating the formation of the Second Amendment as part of the U.S. Bill of Rights. The Founders' View of the Right to Bear Arms is the first book-length definitive history of the Second Amendment. It is fully documented and based directly on those Founding Era sources, and it traces every term and phrase of the Second Amendment back to its original AMERICAN use and author.
These two books taken together were cited a total of over 175 times in the U.S. v Emerson and Parker/Heller cases. There is a simple reason for this reliance. These books present the actual facts about our Bill of Rights heritage based on the Founders' own views.
Read the Founders' reasons and sources for development of the Second Amendment and Bill of Rights. You will never regret having done so.
Posted by: David E. Young at January 22, 2009 10:55 AM (rQ6X1)
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If Obama & Co. are actually bone-headed enough to try reimposing the so-called "Assault Weapons Ban," then I would propose the legislation be named, "The Organized Crime Full-Employment Act of 2009."
Hell, His Majesty can't (or won't) control the flow of illegal aliens and illicit drugs into this country. So how in f*** does he think he'll be able to stop the flow of semi- and auto-firearms that can be easily broken down into their component parts, smuggled across the border, and then quickly reassembled in safe houses?
Posted by: MarkJ at January 22, 2009 11:24 AM (ZFVlP)
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Mark -
He doesn't. He's counting on the fact that the majority of Americans are law-abiding, and won't knowingly break a law simply because it's the law.
I expect a major increase in outlaws.
Posted by: brian at January 22, 2009 01:12 PM (PC3tf)
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Drug War deaths will be used to justify gun bans.
Gun owners are generally clueless about the threat the Drug War poses to their rights.
Watch - 2,000 guns a day go South to Mexico while drugs come North will be the PR gimmick.
Posted by: M. Simon at January 22, 2009 02:20 PM (OANt1)
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"The Organized Crime Full-Employment Act of 2009."
Sounds like a good name for his stimulus plan.
Posted by: Seerak at January 22, 2009 02:22 PM (RJmST)
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He just took an oath (twice!) to uphold the U.S. Constitution. Isn't failing to fulfill that oath an impeachable offense?
Posted by: Just Askin' at January 22, 2009 02:43 PM (esv00)
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"As a hedge against excise taxes on ammunition, I bought a Lyman Crusher single stage press and all the accessories to reload
Posted by: arch at January 22, 2009 08:40 AM"
Right there with you.
Oct. I bought a Dillon Press,Die's for 44 mag.,357 mag.,45 cal.,and 308 cal.
I live in NC.(lots of deer hunting)so I am thinking about 30-06 because I want to be able to load for friends and others when these taxes hit.
Here we had an ex-Redskin football player (D) that was on the radio 24/7 telling everybody that Obama was not going to go after their guns and respect their 2nd amendment rights.
I knew this was a lie and going to come back and bite them in the a$$.
Hope it matters in 2010 when this "hope and change" cult is exposed for the paparazzi it is.
Posted by: Baxter Greene at January 23, 2009 03:21 AM (5NHPy)
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This may be cynical,but I bought these a lot cheaper during the ban:
Colt..AR-15..223 cal.
Rock river..AR-15...7.62 cal.
Colt..AR-15...7.62 cal.(pre-ban)
Ak-47..Romanian (3 of them)
Ak-47...Bulgarian (2 of them)
(Bought a Stag Arms AR-15..6.8 after the ban)
I got them for half of what they are charging for these same guns now since the ban expired.
There may be other reasons for the price increases but I am saying I noticed a remarkable increase at gun shows after the ban expired.
Posted by: Baxter Greene at January 23, 2009 03:30 AM (5NHPy)
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This may be cynical,but I bought these a lot cheaper during the ban:
Colt..AR-15..223 cal.
Rock river..AR-15...7.62 cal.
Colt..AR-15...7.62 cal.(pre-ban)
Ak-47..Romanian (3 of them)
Ak-47...Bulgarian (2 of them)
(Bought a Stag Arms AR-15..6.8 after the ban)
I got them for half of what they are charging for these same guns now since the ban expired.
There may be other reasons for the price increases but I am saying I noticed a remarkable increase at gun shows after the ban expired.
Posted by: Baxter Greene at January 23, 2009 03:32 AM (5NHPy)
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Drug War deaths will be used to justify gun bans.
Posted by: the pistolero at January 23, 2009 01:36 PM (kXDSR)
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"Drug War deaths will be used to justify gun bans."
A-yep. As long as you have a War On Drugs, you will have a War On Guns to go with it.
Posted by: the pistolero at January 23, 2009 01:38 PM (kXDSR)
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I don't remember ever hearing Obama saying that he would "leave gun owners alone", rather he always said that he wasn't going to "take away your guns".
He was very careful to phrase it that way, to include stopping in the middle of a sentence and restarting it so that it was a proclamation of his claim to never confiscate guns from gun owners and nothing more. When you're listening to a politician or a lawyer (and even more so when he's both) pay careful to what he says and what he doesn't say and the exact choice of words, because you can be sure that he is.
He has nothing against banning sales or transfers of all kinds of guns. This includes transfers to an heir upon your death. He would have no problems with ammo restrictions, licensing or registration requirements, increased gun/ammo taxes, bans on semi-auto guns, concealed carry bans, etc. In fact, he's proclaimed each of these as what he wants at various times during his tenure and during the campaign.
But, I figure he will be true to his word and not actually take away your guns. That's a very small consolation.
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"Um, You Know" Withdraws Bid for Hillary's Vacated Senate Seat
It looks like New Yorkers have been spare the anguish of being represented by a silver spoon with a crayon mind.
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Shooting Suspects in the Back is Bad
My post at Pajamas Media this morning is drawing a lot of heat for labeling President Bush's commutation of former Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean his "final mistake."
I can certainly see the other side of the equation, as I personally prefer a walled, wired, and if necessary mined border with Mexico, but this case isn't as hard—for me at least—as some people would like to make it.
Cops that shoot fleeing suspects in the back, leave the wounded suspect to fend for himself, and then attempt to cover-up the incident deserve considerable jail time, and sentences of 11 and 12 years don't seem excessive in that context from where I sit.
Do I wish their aim had been a little better? Certainly. I despise drug dealers as well. But the suspect's profession doesn't mitigate the decisions made by these two former officers, and in my opinion, they didn't deserve their commutations (and certainly do not deserve the pardons some were lobbying for).
Update: The
Dallas Morning News had a
similar reaction to the commutation:
...this newspaper does not agree with Bush's decision to commute the sentences of former border agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who, respectively, were serving 11- and 12-year federal prison terms for shooting a Mexican drug dealer. This was a despicable crime: The two officers had no idea the unarmed man was trafficking in drugs when they shot him in the back side as he ran for the border near El Paso. They then took extraordinary steps to cover up the shooting with a false report.
Their actions are an affront to Border Patrol agents who perform a difficult and thankless job, and the pair's sentences were upheld last year by a federal appeals court.
It’s regrettable that Bush shortened their jail time but significant that he found middle ground and didn’t grant them pardons. Their convictions will remain on the record.
Perhaps the commutation will end the undeserved celebrity status that had erupted around these two former agents. Anti-immigration organizations have used them as poster boys to perpetuate a myth that they were in prison for doing their jobs while drug smugglers were allowed to go free.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Ramos and Compean committed felonies and were rightly brought to justice. Perhaps now the Obama administration can have a comprehensive immigration discussion without this distraction clouding the conversation.
Perhaps appropriately enough, they've been greeted with a similar response by their readers, who claim that they must favor the rights of drug dealers over that of police officers.
If that was the case, I'd agree as well.
But Compean and Ramos did not know the suspect was a drug dealer at the time. They followed a suspicious vehicle on a chase, then immediately engaged in a foot pursuit of the driver without having a chance to know why his was running. Should we really write our laws to allow law enforcement officers to do whatever they want, allowing themselves to justify it after the fact?
Ramos and Compean shot at a guy who could have stolen copper, had a warrant for failing to appear in court for a parking ticket... they simply didn't know. If you've ever watched COPS, you know that stupid people run for the police for all sorts of idiotic reasons, and officers are almost never justified at shooting at a fleeing suspect 14 times (Compean) or Ramos (once).
That the suspect in the case was later determined to be an illegal, and a drug smuggler with hundreds of pounds of drugs, cannot justify what they did before they had that knowledge.
I strongly suspect the vast majority of support for these officers would have never existed if the officers had fired upon a fleeing middle-aged white guy poaching wild game.
Please tell me where I'm wrong.
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Given the fact that a true war is being raged in Mexico as we speak (with AQ type beheadings) and that this war is already spilling over to the USA, I say give Ramos and Compean a full pardon and several boxes of ammo.
Yeah I know, I'm a meanie, racist, etc. Heard it all before.
Later
Posted by: Tater at January 21, 2009 10:40 AM (CAVPy)
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First, there is no law against shooting fleeing felons. As a matter of fact Justice Sandra Day Oconnor said it was completely legal, that no person could lawfully flee arrest and deadly force was justified. Current federal policy says that fleeing felons can be shot if they represent a threat to others. So, there is nothing inherently illegal or immoral to shoot fleeing felons. One of the reasons that crime was so low in the 50s was that cops shot fleeing felons and beat them up when they resisted arrest.
And in this case in particular, the first line supervisors of Ramos and Campeon knew about the shooting and did not instruct either to write a report. You must remember that two supervisors were disiplined for not reporting the shooting. The were even given immunity to testify against Ramos and Campeon.
Finally, they did not leave the drug smuggler "to fend for himself." He fled from them into Mexico, where Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to go. He was fleeing and did not want to be caught because he was a drug smuggler.
Lets get a few facts straight before we blog.
Posted by: Federale at January 21, 2009 11:02 AM (OdE2A)
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Tater, Compean couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
Posted by: Pablo at January 21, 2009 11:04 AM (yTndK)
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Have to just agree to disagree with you on this one CY. I don't presume to even comprehend what it's like to have to patrol a boarder where only one side follows the rules. Getting shot is the occupational hazard of being a criminal.
Posted by: Dan Irving at January 21, 2009 11:10 AM (3vrT+)
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While I'm not enamoured of the idea of shooting fleeing suspects, I will be the first to admit that I wasn't there.
Neither were any of us.
I, for one, am willing to give Campeon and Ramos the benefit of the doubt.
Anything, they did, pales by comparison of what happened to 80 innnocent men women and children at Waco TX.
Who is doing hard time for that little fiasco?
Posted by: Da Possum at January 21, 2009 11:27 AM (dilZh)
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Emphatically disagree.
Thank you President Bush!
Posted by: Greybeard at January 21, 2009 11:45 AM (gdDDT)
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Maybe it's me but when you flee an officer you chances of being shot in the back does rise a little doesn't it or is it just me.
Posted by: Anthony at January 21, 2009 12:09 PM (v5oY3)
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The reason that is it not hard for you is that you are uninformed about the actual events of that day, and the steps taken to convict them with charges that had never been intended to be used against law enforcement agents.
Dig into the facts some more and you will see that it gets A LOT harder to hold your posted position.
Posted by: Voidseeker at January 21, 2009 12:49 PM (U2+2Q)
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I rarely disagree totally with what you say. This is an exception. Not only should they have received full pardons, they should never have been tried. They were convicted on perjured testimony by a career criminal and the US Attorney involved knew it. He should be in jail, not them.
Meanwhile, the drug gangs know any Border Agent who tries to protect the country will be prosecuted for political purposes.
Posted by: Ken Hahn at January 21, 2009 01:05 PM (ZtG1n)
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"I strongly suspect the vast majority of support for these officers would have never existed if the officers had fired upon a fleeing middle-aged white guy poaching wild game.
Please tell me where I'm wrong."
Seriously CY? You're gonna play the race card on this one?
Come on, you know you're better than that.
Posted by: Dan Irving at January 21, 2009 02:16 PM (3vrT+)
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Dan, I'm not playing the race card... as a blond-haired, blue-eyed white guy, I've never been allowed to touch one, much less play it.
Many commenters however--and it is worse in the comments at PJM than here--obviously have been heavily influenced by the fact that the guy shot was A). Mexican, B) an illegal, C) a drug dealer (which was only confirmed well after he'd been shot). They are obviously willing to abandon the law because of their frustration with open borders/amnesty/illegals/crime, etc.
By applying a different character in the same general situation--a white poacher--I would hope that the politics, bigotry, and raw anger that seems to be clouding the judgment of many would fall away.
It's obviously not going to work for all people, but let's be honest and admit that anti-illegal hatred has fueled quite a bit of the support for these two former officers.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 21, 2009 02:54 PM (gAi9Z)
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I found a rather concise summary of the trial and the events of the shooting over at FreeRepublic - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1788411/posts
While I still don't agree with the 10 year sentences, and I do believe a commuation was in order, I now believe that mess Campeon and Ramos found themselves in was largely of their own doing.
Their lives were not endangered - not even threatened and if they had followed regluations, they wouldn't have ended up in jail.
Posted by: Da Possum at January 21, 2009 03:34 PM (dilZh)
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Your web sight is the first one that told me THE REST OF THE STORY. I call myself a neutralist because I want ALL the information on a subject before I make a decision on it. I knew the jury, then later on, the president heard the whole story that happened. I figured there must be more to the story than I knew so far. It turns out I was right. Thank you for THE REST OF THE STORY.
Posted by: Smorgasbord at January 21, 2009 04:05 PM (VoMG9)
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I"d say it was not a mistake. A full Pardon would have been one. Commutation was the best compromise.
Posted by: JP at January 21, 2009 05:08 PM (Tae/a)
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"...that had never been intended to be used against law enforcement agents."
Telling turn of phrase which shows that CY is willing to think outside the box and not follow the herd.
A civilian badge is not -- has never been -- license to wage war on American soil. The "SWAT" cowards who tact up at the first sign of push-back, at the hint of a hairy situation are a disgrace to the long history of the thin, BRAVE blue line.
Posted by: JAT at January 21, 2009 06:26 PM (/TQ1s)
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You are absolutely right CY.These guys should still be in prison.
Posted by: Rusty2 at January 21, 2009 07:16 PM (LXKYH)
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A vehicle moving on dirt roads adjacent to the border is presumed to be a smuggling vehicle given the facts that there is no other reason for a private vehicle to be in that spot. It is well within their training and experience to conclude that the vehicle was loaded with drugs or people, and since only the driver ran, that the vehicle carried drugs. Aliens always run when their smuggler runs. Drugs, since they don't have legs, can't run when the smuggler runs. Not many people poach game on that part of the border, and, regardless, white people assist in smuggling, but, obviously, not many white people smuggle in that particular area. Most white smugglers use the Ports-of-Entry to smuggle. Ramos and Campeon correctly concluded, based on experience and training, that the driver was a smuggler. Yeah, people run for many reasons, but in that particular area and that particular situation, someone running because they are stupid is very unlikely. You must also not that Campeon was on the loosing end of a physical confrontation with the smuggler.
Again, also note, that shooting fleeing felons has been justified by moderate Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day OConnor in a written dissent.
Also, federal policy, not law, is that fleeing felons may be shot if the office thinks they represent a threat of serious bodily injury and/or death.
Also note that both Ramos and Campeon reported the shooting to their first line supervisor who told them not to write a report. Remember that both the supervisors on scene were given immunity for admitting that fact.
Posted by: Federale at January 21, 2009 07:36 PM (OdE2A)
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With regard to the race card, it is disappointing that it was raised. It is beneath the dignity of this blog to use Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson/Baraka Hussein Obama non-logic. A white smuggler would have enjoined the same support for Ramos and Compeon, perhaps more since the Mexican lobby would have had a reason to support the Mexican Americans involved rather than the Mexican involved. I, for one, am glad to see my fellow whites shot by the police because I believe that criminal behavior is contrary to the principles of Western Civilization.
The other important issue that was raised was Waco, and the other issue that should be raised, which is Ron Horiuchi, who shot an unarmed woman in the head because he was given orders to shot any adult on the Weaver property.
I know a Civil Rights Division trial attorney who had no answer as to why Horiuchi was not prosecuted, much less the supervisors who gave written shot-to-kill orders.
So, what we have here is a big double standard on prosecutions in police shootings, much less that case of a Maryland police officer who was prosecuted by the Civil Rights Division for allowing her police dog to bite a fleeing felon.
Folks, if you are shooting white people, there will be no justice, but if you dare shoot a Mexican, the full weight of the federal government will fall on you. Beware the next time your local PD shoots a criminal who's next victim might have been you.
Posted by: Federale at January 21, 2009 07:52 PM (OdE2A)
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Ramos and Compean did not report the shooting to their supervisor at the time of the shooting or at any time until the investigation commenced. How could R & C claim that they were shooting at a fleeing felon when they had not seen Davila exit the van and they certainly did not know if he had been convicted of a felony. The other agent reported that Davila did stop running and tried to surrender but after hit with a shotgun decided that running was a better option.
Better yet why not read the point by point refutation of most of these wild and unsubstantiated claims;
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Setting%20the%20Record%20Straight%204-25%202007.pdf
As well as a narrative of the shooting, the trial and the circus:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Badges%20of%20Honor.pdf
Ramos and Compean had a two week trial to attack their own depositions, the physical evidence and the witness testimonies but were unable to convince a jury of anything other than that they were guilty. And their string of not being believed continued in a string of losses at the various appeals. They only place they seem to have been successful is convincing the gullible and lazy of their innocence.
Everyone keeps referring to a right to shoot a fleeing felon when the dissent in that case arose from Tennessee v. Garner where state law had allowed a suspect of a felony to be shot if it was possible he would escape if not stopped. The standard used then had to be reasonable and the circumstances were mad moot by the agents because they did not arrest Davila when they had an obligation and a chance to do so. But when R&C made no attempt to arrest Davila as he lay wounded then the majority opinion in the case held and O'Connor's dissent became just as not applicable as it was before. The BP agents may shoot if allowed under state law but they must effect an arrest. They cannot simply shoot then walk away. Plus we do not make criminal law conform to the minority opinions of SCOTUS but rather the majority. Below is the text of the decision of Tennessee v Garner;
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=471&page=1
Posted by: Pat Patterson at January 21, 2009 11:21 PM (6SDmD)
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Posted by: UNRR at January 22, 2009 07:10 AM (uKBSQ)
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You're correct, CY.
Shooting someone in the back is simply wrong. The coverup only compounds the situation.
That said, commutation was a good move; the convictions remain on the record.
Posted by: dad29 at January 22, 2009 09:28 AM (GVb0I)
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So their aim should be better so as to kill the fleeing men, but the shooters sentences should be long. Oh Constipated and Kranky you've got your mind in a bunch.
Posted by: ConstipatedNKranky at January 22, 2009 04:01 PM (8EKnl)
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204 comments, including this one between here and PJM. Is that a record?
Posted by: Pat Patterson at January 22, 2009 11:37 PM (6SDmD)
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What I've yet to see from anyone in this debate, anywhere, is the role that prosecutorial discretion plays. This situation is often parsed in terms of who's right, the officers or the jury that convicted them? The argument being that the officers had a trial and were convicted by a jury of their peers, therefore, they deserve what they got and justice was served. While I don't know every specific detail of this case, there are some factors that should be considered.
Let us assume that the officers made mistakes. It falls then to the prosecutor to decide if those mistakes rise to the level of criminal conduct, and to what degree. The prosecutor in this case had the option, as do all prosecutors, not to charge the defendants. Allowing the Border Patrol to handle the matter would have been within the prosecutor's legitimate exercise of discretion. But why might a prosecutor want to do that?
It's been said that the officers didn't know the drug dealer as a drug dealer and that they had no idea what he was doing when they shot him. Therefore, their conduct must be judged entirely on what they knew at the time of the incident. This is a sterile and naive way of looking at such things and is one of the primary reasons why prosecutors have substantial discretion. If it turned out that the officers shot a priest on the way to a baptism, that line of thinking might have greater appeal, but when we consider that the suspect was a very bad guy indeed, in fact, someone who did, before and after meeting the officers, far more damage to the United States that the officers could even imagine doing, there is much to be said for a prosecutor taking that information into account.
Remember too that there is a double standard of justice, perhaps even a triple standard, with which every police officer tries to deal. Officers understand that they must adhere to higher standards, but they will be treated very differently--often far more harshly--when they make mistakes than will citizens and criminals. Officers must make split second decisions on matters of life and death and must be right 100% of the time. Those who will judge their actions will have the comfort and convenience of hindsight and facts unknown to the officers.
The fact is that this case need never have been brought to trial, particularly when one considers the character and actions of the "victim." Putting these two men in jail served justice? That's why prosecutors have discretion, because the law cannot anticipate all factors and all situations, and mitigating factors sometimes demand something other than what the law can anticipate.
Posted by: Mike at January 23, 2009 12:00 AM (3+MmZ)
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Once it became known that the two agents shot a total of 15 times at an unarmed man, didn't attempt to arrest him and then tried to clean up the scene the US Attorney didn't have any choice in the matter as the law, Title 18 usc sec.924(c)(1)(A)(iii) required that this case of a shooting during a crime of violence with a minimum of ten years. Congress attached no exception for law enforcement.
They didn't even know for sure if Davila was the driver, they didn't know if there were drugs in the van, they lied and covered up reporting the shooting to their supervisors, they failed to file a shooting report, they fired 15 times, the saw Davila fall and then made no attempt to arrest him. They even perjured themselves in the courtroom in trying to contradict the shooting report that was eventually filed and their signed depositions.
It's very simple in that in this case there was no prosecutorial discretion. The circumstances of the case made it obvious they had violated Title 18 and the judge and jury agreed. People assume that all acts by law enforcement are covered by in re. Nagle but that only applied to an officer carrying out his duty. With Nagle it was to protect a California senator from an assassin while R&C's duties were to only shoot when in imminent danger. A guy that first tries to surrender by raising his hands and saying "No me pegues" clearly falls in the category of using a weapon in an act of violence.
Once Davila crossed over the border into the US all civil protections afforded to American citizens also covered him. What difference does his character make when at the time of the shooting the agents didn't know who he was nor even be sure that he was driving the van.
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Last sentence second to last paragraph should have read, "...saying 'No me pegues'(don't hit me)clearly does not fall un the category of using a weapon in an act of violence." Which might have justified the terrible accuracy of the one agent.
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The Testing Begins
One thing America's enemies expect in Barack Obama is weakness, and they aren't wasting any time testing him:
Right now, man, lately, we've been under some INSANE level of incoming… like compared to 2004, not so much, but considering that when I got here, it'd been over 9-10 months since any, mind you, ANY rounds hit, and for like 3 days/nights in a row we've had between 2 to 4 incoming rounds.
Expect an uptick in attacks on American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and perhaps elsewhere as terrorists and tyrants probe the incoming Obama Administration to see what the 44th President is made of.
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America meet your new president Mr. Milqutoast
Posted by: Fearless at January 20, 2009 09:51 PM (iBQbQ)
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The real test will be when Americans are killed on American soil. Please fogive for what I am about to say - but what will Obama and his extreme liberal koolaid drinkers do when the drive-by media report on a large mushroom shaped cloud forming over an American city. hmmmmmmmm
Posted by: mixitup at January 20, 2009 10:28 PM (yWxFy)
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Mr. Obama is made of indecision.
Posted by: Teleprompter Messiah at January 20, 2009 10:56 PM (kTFE5)
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Talk about grasping at straws with a heads I win tails you lose argument. Who exactly was being tested from 2001-2008 by 9-11, Afghanistan and Iraq, and how is the fact that the testers are still alive, well and testing 8 years later laid at the feet of Obama on his first day in office?
For 8 years and 8000+ American lives, the testing proved Bush and Co were on the right path. Suddenly the testing proves Obama is weak. Get over yourselves.
Posted by: John at January 20, 2009 11:56 PM (MAjZZ)
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"Get over yourselves." That's really not fair, nor a very constructive thing to say. The difference is that we were promised that the whole world would instantly stop being terrorists when The One is sworn into office.
America has come through on our side of the deal.
The terrorists have not.
And I still want my unicorn.
Posted by: brando at January 21, 2009 12:07 AM (gNIlp)
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Bush certainly left Obama a safer world--but no one could leave a safe world. I expect Obama to be tested by our enemies. Some of the things Obama has said makes me hopeful that he will not leave us less secure.
otoh, if Americans on US soil dies of Islamic attack--leaving out the lone nutcases that we can never eliminate--then Obama and the left will be run out of town on rails.
But Obama knows that and has no intention of letting it happen. He wants a second term and a place in the history books. I trust in Obama's self-interest.
Posted by: iconoclast at January 21, 2009 12:09 AM (4+pxq)
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Juggy is made up of equal parts of "hope", "change", and "Bravo Sierra"......
however, of those components, only one has any substance to it, which explains why he's risen so high.
gold sinks, schise floats......
we are *SO* screwed.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2009 02:15 AM (sT30R)
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The important crisis will be the second one. Obama will either overreact or under react to the first. He will do the opposite to the second, in an attempt to avoid the criticism of his previous action ( or inaction ).
The second crisis will either bring us to the brink of war or of surrender. It will be the real test for the country.
Posted by: Ken Hahn at January 21, 2009 03:57 AM (G/joL)
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Unless you have a death wish you should avoid international air travel and ocean cruises for a while, well for a long time if Hussein O is stupid enough to close Gitmo and/or release the terrorists. I remember pictures of Americans hitting the tarmac and the water after being shot in the back by members of the religion of pieces and marine bodies being dragged in the streets. They're still finding peices of bodies from blown up aircraft in Scotland and NYC. For 7 years it's been a no-no to screw with America. Now the door is wide open for several free hits. Even an uptick in deaths in Iraq will signal a major Hussein O failure. You think he's saved GWB's phone nunber on his blackberry toy.
Posted by: Scrapiron at January 21, 2009 08:57 PM (I4yBD)
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Day Six and instead of waiting til tonight, we took some hits today in broad daylight... this shytte is getting old... (I just thought I'd throw that out there as I can't access my blog today.)
Posted by: Big Country at January 22, 2009 07:09 AM (vuy4X)
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Hope. Change. Explosives.
I'm hoping this is a hoax:
A Massachusetts man stopped by police along the New Jersey Turnpike amid a suspicion that he was taking explosives to Washington, D.C., prompted a 25-mile closure of the highway east of Philadelphia on Tuesday evening.
At about 6:30 p.m., New Jersey State Police closed the turnpike at exit 1 through exit 4 as a precaution. State troopers, FBI agents and turnpike officials continued to investigate along the highway that leads south to Washington.
New Jersey State Police spokesman Sgt. Stephen Jones said troopers took a 27-year-old man into custody following a car stop in the southbound lanes of the turnpike near Exit 3 in Woodbury Heights.
Know who this benefits?
Mitt Romney.
Update: false alarm.
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Link has a double http://
Posted by: Just Askin' at January 20, 2009 10:38 PM (esv00)
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I don't know if it's a hoax, but I was one of the unfortunate individuals stuck on the turnpike for well over 2 1/2 hours just north of the stop. Sounds like someone who didn't like him called in a bum tip. Or maybe he was running his mouth about things he was supposedly going to do and someone found it a bit disturbing.
I'm eagerly awaiting the details which will explain why it took me 3 1/2 hours to get home last night.
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Flubbed. So What?
I see people are quickly jumping on the case of Barack Obama and Chief Justice John Roberts for stumbling during the Oath of Office.
Folks, let's see you take on the responsibility for most important job in the world in front of hundreds of thousands and see if you get it perfect.
If that's the only thing he screws up over the course of the next four years, I'll be thrilled.
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If that's the only thing he screws up over the course of the next four DAYS, I'll be thrilled.
Posted by: arb at January 20, 2009 01:11 PM (YSwbg)
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That's what I like about you CY. Logic and true centrism. Let's contrast that with the insane shreiking of the Left. It's quite a contrast. Your trolls should come back and repent, but I wouldn't count on it.
Posted by: brando at January 20, 2009 01:22 PM (qzOby)
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What I don't get is the benediction:
-- Rev. Joseph Lowery: 'Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. Say Amen'...
So we have a first black PoTUS and 'black' is still 'asked to get in back'? Can we say "Eternal Victim Mentality"?
Posted by: Dan Irving at January 20, 2009 02:02 PM (zw8QA)
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What I don't get is the benediction:
-- Rev. Joseph Lowery: 'Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. Say Amen'...
So we have a first black PoTUS and 'black' is still 'asked to get in back'? Can we say "Eternal Victim Mentality"? One would think pithy sentiment would have no place at something as prestigious as the Inauguration.
Posted by: Dan Irving at January 20, 2009 02:04 PM (zw8QA)
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Please, I repeated my marriage vows with no screwups, and that's damned sure scarier than this...
Posted by: Unclefacts at January 20, 2009 02:26 PM (M+Vfm)
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Speaking as the guy who wrote the post you linked to...
I wouldn't say I was jumping on them exactly, but I would have thought it something that both Roberts and Obama would have practiced.
I have a friend who does weddings and he always tells the bride and groom to remember what the key words are (IE when I say this word, you respond). You would have thought Obama would have practiced that since prior Presidents have jumped the gun on their line.
Same with Roberts, you'd think he would have practiced the oath (not that it is that hard to remember).
I just thought it bizzare they would both flub this segment when you'd think they'd have practiced it a ton
Posted by: Patrick E at January 20, 2009 03:06 PM (X5Ttv)
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No biggie that he flubbed it, but he must repeat it correctly before some magistrate. The constitution requires the exact wording of the oath for him to become president.
Posted by: georgeh at January 20, 2009 04:27 PM (1tw+N)
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CY
You are right, this was just a flub. Big freaking deal. arb is exactly right--if he gets through the next 4 days with only mishaps like this, I will be happy.
But I was highly offended at Lowery--I found myself yelling obscenities at the radio for his race-baiting.
Posted by: iconoclast at January 20, 2009 06:43 PM (FGCRY)
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A little OT, but the Agenda from Obama's transition site, change.gov, has been transferred to whitehouse.gov today. It still has the assault weapon ban, and the other gun-grabbing stuff, and the other garbage that was written for the campaign, but it's completely inappropriate for the President's site.
Posted by: stace at January 20, 2009 08:27 PM (JO0c/)
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whitehouse.gov:
* Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
Posted by: stace at January 20, 2009 09:06 PM (JO0c/)
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Let me just mention that Craig Crawford is a moron.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/01/impeach-john-roberts.html
Posted by: Pablo at January 21, 2009 08:35 AM (yTndK)
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Was it a flub or a deliberate show of contempt made to look like a flub?
I wouldn't surprise if it were the latter, especially given the man's history when it comes to showing contempt for his country.
Posted by: J.T. Wenting at January 21, 2009 11:14 AM (hrLyN)
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I noticed this morning that some "experts" are suggesting that Obama take the oath again .. exactly as the Constitution spells it out .. just to make sure there are no future problems.
Posted by: Neo at January 21, 2009 11:44 AM (Yozw9)
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CY, you're right that this flub is meaningless. But I agree with Mark Levin that this was Justice' Roberts's flub, not Obama's. What the hell, I'm sure Roberts was nervous, too.
Posted by: Deuce Geary at January 21, 2009 02:01 PM (J7kyV)
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Watching live it seemed obvious to me that Roberts lost the train when he said "Hussein". Perhaps he was worried that the middle name was still embargoed. Barack didn't look too ruffled to me and said "Hussein" with vigorous confidence. I wish he had whipped out a Pall Mall and fired it up. I think it is time to smoke again. Those sentimental for Bush heard him echoed in Barry's address. Stewart on the Daily Show has a hilarious bit, somewhat nervously received. Check it.
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January 19, 2009
Hope. Change. Foie Gras.
Apparently analogies are one thing liberals are willing to torture with zeal, as Anne Applebaum shows as she painfully tries to compare Captain Sullenberger of US Air Flight 1549 to Barack Obama.
Anne? Uh,
no.
Captain Sullenberger has spent his entire career working with steady determination to hone his skills to a razors edge, becoming proficient in a highly technical, potentially high-threat environment. He mastered crisis management through constant simulation and repetition, gaining valuable experience to be ready when a real life-threatening crisis struck, and when it occurred, he handled it brilliantly.
Barack Obama, on the other hand, has spent his entire brief political career soaring ever higher on a majestic current of rising hot air, taking first one position, then another, moving ever upward without spending any time mastering his present position before flittering ever higher. Now he finds himself at the head of the gaggle, honking excitedly about the new direction in which he hopes to lead the gaggle behind him, never hearing the sound of jet engines on an intersecting course over his own flapping.
Obama isn't the captain.
He's
high-speed paté.
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Captain Sullenberger and Obama? Oh deary dear.
Unlike our soon to be president, Captain Sullenberger can point to a decades long record of actual accomplishment, accomplishment on a daily basis, though by all accounts, he would blush to do so. Where Obama admits in one of his self-glorifying tomes that he could not tell even his friend what he, as a "community organizer," did, Captain Sullenberger surely has no such problem. Yet again, he would not find such self-aggrandizement easy or pleasant. True professionals, true men feel no need to brag. They know their accomplishments speak for them, as does their character, and they also know that those who truly count will know such things.
When Obama was struggling to find himself and his identity through a drug induced fog, Sullenberger was doing something profoundly dangerous each and every day: Flying fighter jets for his nation (something George Bush--both--did too). While Obama is supremely certain of his greatness and superiority, to the point of making his own seal, inventing "The Office Of The President Elect," and many more example abound, Captain Sullenberger simply makes significant accomplishments every day, and even his neighbors speak of his humility.
Oh yes, and The One is lauded far and wide (at least within MSM newsrooms) for his unflappable calm and supernatural cool, while Captain Sullenberger lives it, and lives it in a way that protects and saves lives. When he says that his performance in saving lives was merely doing his job, he means it. Obama's full time job is self-glorification; Sullenberger's public service.
In a real world dictionary of accomplishment, one would find Obama's photo under "narcissist," and Sullenberger's under "hero."
Obama measuring up to Sullenberger? Sure. Just about as much as he measures up to Abraham Lincoln. Check back with me in four years or so on that one, after Obama has actually had a chance to accomplish something. Until then, Obama doesn't even measure up to his hyper inflated self___.
Posted by: Mike at January 20, 2009 12:51 AM (dJeDv)
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If I ever needed proof that the Obamatrons are out of there pebble sized minds this is it. My GOD Lincoln and now this.
Posted by: Oldcrow at January 20, 2009 06:15 AM (e88kd)
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Well, at least she got one thing right when she noted that "people entrusted with public money are overwhelmingly inclined to waste it, steal it, or simply misuse it."
Posted by: MikeM at January 20, 2009 07:41 AM (NN/XE)
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I predicte that when it is all over Obama will only be remeberd for being the first black president
Posted by: Rich in KC at January 20, 2009 07:44 AM (siQqy)
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"Though a handful of people did predict the financial crisis of last autumn, the fact is that almost no one in mainstream politics did so, any more than anyone ever predicted that a flock of geese could bring down an Airbus."
Sorry, Anne, but that handful of people included George W Bush and John McCain. The flock of geese, on the other hand, included the likes of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.
Posted by: Tim at January 20, 2009 09:37 AM (3Wewy)
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O Obama, divine Spirit of light and love, I consecrate to Thee my intellect, my heart, my will and my whole being for now and for eternity.
Praise Him!
Praise The One!
Praise Obama!
Posted by: Yes We Did at January 20, 2009 11:48 AM (6FgOu)
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That is hilarious, Bob. Nicely done.
Posted by: Pablo at January 20, 2009 12:37 PM (yTndK)
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"...any more than anyone ever predicted that a flock of geese could bring down an Airbus."
Except that aircraft manufacturers HAD predicted it, and more importantly, had PLANNED for it, which is why Capt. Sullenberger was able to draw on his training and flawlessly execute the needed maneuvers when the situation arose.
Our incompetent politicians and government officials? Not so much.
God, she is some industrial-strength stupid. Really, Anne, just stay away from things you know absolutely nothing about and stick to the straight Obama worship.
Posted by: Dave in SoCal at January 20, 2009 03:27 PM (9kYWY)
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CNN's Meserve Punked by Secret Service
Dude, where's my spotter?
The teams typically consist of two people, both armed with high-powered rifles, either of whom can shoot to deter an imminent threat. If one countersniper spots a threat, that person prepares to shoot while the other member takes on the role of "wind caller," telling the shooter how to adjust his aim to counteract the wind.
The wind caller takes cues from chimney smoke, flags or undulations from the atmosphere.
While the name of the primary shooter of a precision shooting team differs for political reasons with some calling him a sniper, countersniper, sharpshooter or
kitten-of-the-gun, the second half of a sniper team is ubiquitously called a
spotter.
A "wind caller?"
That's the obnoxious little kid that loudly yells "Mommy farted!" at the mall, causing a mortified, teeth-clenched-and-red-faced woman to momentarily yearn for a "decade-after" pill.
One can only imagine that Meserve and Ahlers did what CNN journalists so often do, taking the word of their subjects at face value—be they Hamas terrorists, tyrannical dictators, or straight-faced comedians with a badge—rushing the story to air without bothering with tedious fact-checking, or even a few seconds on the Internet to see if they got the
terminology remotely right.
The dead-pan sniper found his mark, and CNN's Merserve published a subtle fart joke as news.
Bulls-eye.
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POSSIBLY THE BEST ANSWER TO A STUPID QUESTION -- EVER
Katie Couric, while interviewing a Marine sniper, asked; 'What do you feel.....when you shoot a Terrorist?' The Marine shrugged and replied, 'A slight recoil.'
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President Elect's Terrorist Family Friend Stopped at the Border
A domestic terrorist was denied exit from the United States last night, and will presumably return home to Chicago.
Dr. William Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago and a leader in educational reform, was scheduled to speak at the Centre for Urban Schooling at University of Toronto's Ontario Institute for Studies in Education. But that appearance has now been temporarily cancelled.
"I don't know why I was turned back," Ayers said in an interview this morning from Chicago. "I got off the plane like everyone else and I was asked to come over to the other side. The border guards reviewed some stuff and said I wasn't going to be allowed into Canada. To me it seems quite bureaucratic and not at all interesting ... If it were me I would have let me in. I couldn't possibly be a threat to Canada."
Indeed, if the competence of a terrorist were a determining issue, Ayers would very much be a free-traveling citizen of the world. But terrorist threats aren't based upon competence, but intent, and on three occasions Ayers' Weather Underground attempted spectacular mass murders.
In February of 1970 Ayers' Weathermen built bombs using propane canisters as crude incendiaries, roofing nails as shrapnel to rend flesh, and 44 sticks of dynamite to rip buildings apart.
One of those bombs was meant to destroy the 13th Precinct of the Detroit Police Department, killing police officers, criminals and citizens inside. The other bomb targeted the Detroit Police Benevolent Association. Both were set to go off when it would kill the maximum number of people.
Neither bomb went off thanks to the incompetence of the bomb designer (some suspect Ayers himself designed them), which was good news for the innocents inside these two locations, as well as a nearby diner filled with African-American families that would have
born the brunt of the second blast.
The third attempt, the March 6, 1970, resulted in a premature detonation on the day of a planned attack. Ayers' girlfriend and two other Weathermen were killed making nail-studded pipe-bombs to bomb an enlisted officers dance that took place at Fort Dix, NJ that night.
If the bombers had not blown themselves up while constructing their bombs, and had carried out their attack with less than half of the bombs they made, the resulting blast could very well have been
the largest terrorist attack in American history prior to Timothy McVeigh's truck bomb in Oklahoma City.
Canada showed simple common sense in rejecting this terrorist, who once discussed with absolute sincerity the need to
murder 25 million Americans in concentration camps.
It's too bad the man who be our new President tomorrow lacks the same discernment.
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I'd like to think it had something to do with terrorism. But I find that unlikely, given the political bent of Canada.
Most likely, he just has a recent DUI. I know that's what kept me south of the border on a fishing trip a few years back.
Posted by: notropis at January 19, 2009 08:46 PM (MGs0J)
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It's too bad we couldn't reject the guy coming back *into* the US.
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Goodbye, Bill
Bill Faith of Old War Dogs and Small Town Veteran passed yesterday, apparently due to a heart attack. He was a kind soul, and the world is a poorer place for his loss. I'm simply glad that God, in his kindness, allowed Bill to meet his new granddaughter and visit with her awhile before he passed on.
Michelle Malkin has published a wonderful tribute to Bill. Please leave your blessings and prayers there.
I'd write more, but I've got a little some thing in my eye.
God bless you, Bill.
RIP
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Deterring the Obama Assassination Threat
With woeful predictably, the media is ginning up threats of an Obama assassination attempt to accompany his inauguration next Tuesday. Are there any specific threats, militant chatter, or suspicious behavior?
Of course not.
But birds gotta fly, Huffington Post authors have to insist Bush is going to stage his coup
any second now, and CNN has to
make up news:
So far, there is no known organized effort to express opposition to Obama's rise to the presidency other than a call by the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan for its members to wear black armbands as well as fly the U.S. flag upside down on Inauguration Day and Obama's first full day in office.
As Tuesday approaches, when Obama stands outside the Capitol to take the oath of office, experts expect anger about the new president to spike. But they don't expect it to go away.
"The level of vitriol, I expect, will go up a bit more around inauguration time," said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino.
The Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino?
That sounds even less credible than the
Media Violence Project, which at least happens to have cool posters and an
excellent analyst on staff.
The simple fact of the matter is that while Barack Obama is as cringe-inducing as a trainwreck about to happen, the freshman Senator cum President Elect hasn't done anything to garner strong feelings of hatred from anyone.
Literally
nothing.
He didn't do anything as a Illinois legislator. He didn't do much more as a U.S. Senator. And he's made and backtracked on so many promises as a candidate and future President that people are to confused about where he stands too even know if they disagree with him.
And as CNN even notes, white supremacists can't even get that worked up (arm bands?), as he's only 50% non-white.
He stands for nothing, and represents nothing. The simple fact of the matter is that until he's actually sworn into his first-ever leadership position on Tuesday and had time to flail and make a series of horribly stupid mistakes, there isn't anything he's done to make him worth an effort on his life.
Obama is also defended by legions of highly trained federal law enforcement officers, and perhaps the greatest deterrent of all, a simple two word phrase of such horror that would stop most callous, calculating assassin in his tracks.
"President Biden."
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I wish Bush would hurry up with his coup, he's only got four days left. C'mon, man, don't let me down!
Posted by: Vaultenblogger at January 16, 2009 10:35 PM (HG6DM)
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The "Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism" cannot be real. I am sorry, I am currently knocking myself unconscious because someone in our media made this "organization" up from whole cloth.
Posted by: Two Dogs at January 16, 2009 10:35 PM (oxpAZ)
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Back in 2006, when there was buzz about the Democratic Congress possibly impeaching Bush, I came up with a very similar line to use in a debate with a liberal:
"I've got one very good argument why you don't really want to impeach Bush, even if you think you do, and I can sum it up in two words: President Cheney."
Alas, I never got to say it. It would have been a lot of fun, though.
Posted by: Robin Munn at January 17, 2009 03:25 AM (HP6Zx)
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This is a clear case of projection. The libs' candidate lost and they expressed hate from the start of the transition. Therefore, when their candidate wins, they expect the opposition to be crazed with hate from the start - and since the conservatives are more likely to have guns, the libs also expect violence. I guess they have already forgotten the post-election response of "He's our President-elect, now" from many conservatives.
Posted by: MikeM at January 17, 2009 09:35 AM (NN/XE)
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And you can look for a lot of foofoodust from the Southern Poverty Law Center in the coming years, too.
They're always good for a couple of "hate-inspired conspiracy" stories.
Posted by: dad29 at January 17, 2009 09:51 AM (GVb0I)
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Seems to me that the last President assassinated by a white supremacist was Lincoln. Maybe the puppies in the MSM figure this will just seal the comparison.
Besides, for them, the best outcome would be Obama being killed - the important part's already happened, and nothing will show their new deity to have feet of clay fatser than actually having to perform in office. Best to keep the dream alive. A further plus would be that if Obama is martyred they could return to the narratibe that America is fatally flawed by racism.
For the media, there'd be no downside. It'd be JFK, MLK, Elvis, and Princess Di all rolled into one for ever and ever. Remember how much more beautiful Camelot became the further into the mists of memory it receded? JFK's death severed any connection with the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam and turned his missteps (Missile Crisis) into heroic feats.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at January 17, 2009 10:05 AM (Vcyz0)
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And Obama's team is sooooo concerned about this that they're allowing him to travel slooooowwwly by train through many states, where those deviously clever KKK or other racists could allegedly blow up the tracks to derail the train in an attempt to cause massive injuries and/or death. Anyway, thanks to Al Gore, it's probably going to be soo cold on Inauguration Day that bullets would freeze in mid air. In other words, hell will be freezing over in Wash DC on January 20, 2009 with the inauguration of the most liberal black unqualified candidate ever in American History. So enjoy the ride.
Posted by: eaglewingz08 at January 17, 2009 01:20 PM (qh8b9)
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No doubt the presidential assassination movies, plays and books will be pouring out any day now. Oh wait - that was for the last guy.
Posted by: Bandit at January 17, 2009 03:30 PM (5+oAa)
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/snide mode - on/
First, about the only known member of a white supremist group is Robert "Sheets' Byrd, and is only a threat to himself, and the taxpayer.
The only reason the Klu Klux Klan did not hold their last convention is a telephone booth, is that they could not find one.
The leading hate group in the nation is Planned Parenthood, but they back the 'rats.
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Women and Children First
155 souls crash-landed into the freezing cold waters of the Hudson River yesterday afternoon, and through particularly brilliant examples of piloting skill, courage, heart and determination, the rapid response of an inspiring cast of everyday heroes and not a little divine providence, nobody died.
Well done.
I may get frustrated with my fellow Americans from time to time, but in those times that it all falls apart, there are simply no other people on this planet that I'd rather have at my back.
God bless you all.
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Dubya's Farewell
The text of George W. Bush's Farewell Address:
Fellow citizens: For eight years, it has been my honor to serve as your President. The first decade of this new century has been a period of consequence -- a time set apart. Tonight, with a thankful heart, I have asked for a final opportunity to share some thoughts on the journey that we have traveled together, and the future of our nation.
Five days from now, the world will witness the vitality of American democracy. In a tradition dating back to our founding, the presidency will pass to a successor chosen by you, the American people. Standing on the steps of the Capitol will be a man whose history reflects the enduring promise of our land. This is a moment of hope and pride for our whole nation. And I join all Americans in offering best wishes to President-Elect Obama, his wife Michelle, and their two beautiful girls.
Tonight I am filled with gratitude -- to Vice President Cheney and members of my administration; to Laura, who brought joy to this house and love to my life; to our wonderful daughters, Barbara and Jenna; to my parents, whose examples have provided strength for a lifetime. And above all, I thank the American people for the trust you have given me. I thank you for the prayers that have lifted my spirits. And I thank you for the countless acts of courage, generosity, and grace that I have witnessed these past eight years.
This evening, my thoughts return to the first night I addressed you from this house -- September the 11th, 2001. That morning, terrorists took nearly 3,000 lives in the worst attack on America since Pearl Harbor. I remember standing in the rubble of the World Trade Center three days later, surrounded by rescuers who had been working around the clock. I remember talking to brave souls who charged through smoke-filled corridors at the Pentagon, and to husbands and wives whose loved ones became heroes aboard Flight 93. I remember Arlene Howard, who gave me her fallen son's police shield as a reminder of all that was lost. And I still carry his badge.
As the years passed, most Americans were able to return to life much as it had been before 9/11. But I never did. Every morning, I received a briefing on the threats to our nation. I vowed to do everything in my power to keep us safe.
Over the past seven years, a new Department of Homeland Security has been created. The military, the intelligence community, and the FBI have been transformed. Our nation is equipped with new tools to monitor the terrorists' movements, freeze their finances, and break up their plots. And with strong allies at our side, we have taken the fight to the terrorists and those who support them. Afghanistan has gone from a nation where the Taliban harbored al Qaeda and stoned women in the streets to a young democracy that is fighting terror and encouraging girls to go to school. Iraq has gone from a brutal dictatorship and a sworn enemy of America to an Arab democracy at the heart of the Middle East and a friend of the United States.
There is legitimate debate about many of these decisions. But there can be little debate about the results. America has gone more than seven years without another terrorist attack on our soil. This is a tribute to those who toil night and day to keep us safe -- law enforcement officers, intelligence analysts, homeland security and diplomatic personnel, and the men and women of the United States Armed Forces.
Our nation is blessed to have citizens who volunteer to defend us in this time of danger. I have cherished meeting these selfless patriots and their families. And America owes you a debt of gratitude. And to all our men and women in uniform listening tonight: There has been no higher honor than serving as your Commander-in-Chief.
The battles waged by our troops are part of a broader struggle between two dramatically different systems. Under one, a small band of fanatics demands total obedience to an oppressive ideology, condemns women to subservience, and marks unbelievers for murder. The other system is based on the conviction that freedom is the universal gift of Almighty God, and that liberty and justice light the path to peace.
This is the belief that gave birth to our nation. And in the long run, advancing this belief is the only practical way to protect our citizens. When people live in freedom, they do not willingly choose leaders who pursue campaigns of terror. When people have hope in the future, they will not cede their lives to violence and extremism. So around the world, America is promoting human liberty, human rights, and human dignity. We're standing with dissidents and young democracies, providing AIDS medicine to dying patients -- to bring dying patients back to life, and sparing mothers and babies from malaria. And this great republic born alone in liberty is leading the world toward a new age when freedom belongs to all nations.
For eight years, we've also strived to expand opportunity and hope here at home. Across our country, students are rising to meet higher standards in public schools. A new Medicare prescription drug benefit is bringing peace of mind to seniors and the disabled. Every taxpayer pays lower income taxes. The addicted and suffering are finding new hope through faith-based programs. Vulnerable human life is better protected. Funding for our veterans has nearly doubled. America's air and water and lands are measurably cleaner. And the federal bench includes wise new members like Justice Sam Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts.
When challenges to our prosperity emerged, we rose to meet them. Facing the prospect of a financial collapse, we took decisive measures to safeguard our economy. These are very tough times for hardworking families, but the toll would be far worse if we had not acted. All Americans are in this together. And together, with determination and hard work, we will restore our economy to the path of growth. We will show the world once again the resilience of America's free enterprise system.
Like all who have held this office before me, I have experienced setbacks. There are things I would do differently if given the chance. Yet I've always acted with the best interests of our country in mind. I have followed my conscience and done what I thought was right. You may not agree with some of the tough decisions I have made. But I hope you can agree that I was willing to make the tough decisions.
The decades ahead will bring more hard choices for our country, and there are some guiding principles that should shape our course.
While our nation is safer than it was seven years ago, the gravest threat to our people remains another terrorist attack. Our enemies are patient, and determined to strike again. America did nothing to seek or deserve this conflict. But we have been given solemn responsibilities, and we must meet them. We must resist complacency. We must keep our resolve. And we must never let down our guard.
At the same time, we must continue to engage the world with confidence and clear purpose. In the face of threats from abroad, it can be tempting to seek comfort by turning inward. But we must reject isolationism and its companion, protectionism. Retreating behind our borders would only invite danger. In the 21st century, security and prosperity at home depend on the expansion of liberty abroad. If America does not lead the cause of freedom, that cause will not be led.
As we address these challenges -- and others we cannot foresee tonight -- America must maintain our moral clarity. I've often spoken to you about good and evil, and this has made some uncomfortable. But good and evil are present in this world, and between the two of them there can be no compromise. Murdering the innocent to advance an ideology is wrong every time, everywhere. Freeing people from oppression and despair is eternally right. This nation must continue to speak out for justice and truth. We must always be willing to act in their defense -- and to advance the cause of peace.
President Thomas Jefferson once wrote, "I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past." As I leave the house he occupied two centuries ago, I share that optimism. America is a young country, full of vitality, constantly growing and renewing itself. And even in the toughest times, we lift our eyes to the broad horizon ahead.
I have confidence in the promise of America because I know the character of our people. This is a nation that inspires immigrants to risk everything for the dream of freedom. This is a nation where citizens show calm in times of danger, and compassion in the face of suffering. We see examples of America's character all around us. And Laura and I have invited some of them to join us in the White House this evening.
We see America's character in Dr. Tony Recasner, a principal who opened a new charter school from the ruins of Hurricane Katrina. We see it in Julio Medina, a former inmate who leads a faith-based program to help prisoners returning to society. We've seen it in Staff Sergeant Aubrey McDade, who charged into an ambush in Iraq and rescued three of his fellow Marines.
We see America's character in Bill Krissoff -- a surgeon from California. His son, Nathan -- a Marine -- gave his life in Iraq. When I met Dr. Krissoff and his family, he delivered some surprising news: He told me he wanted to join the Navy Medical Corps in honor of his son. This good man was 60 years old -- 18 years above the age limit. But his petition for a waiver was granted, and for the past year he has trained in battlefield medicine. Lieutenant Commander Krissoff could not be here tonight, because he will soon deploy to Iraq, where he will help save America's wounded warriors -- and uphold the legacy of his fallen son.
In citizens like these, we see the best of our country - resilient and hopeful, caring and strong. These virtues give me an unshakable faith in America. We have faced danger and trial, and there's more ahead. But with the courage of our people and confidence in our ideals, this great nation will never tire, never falter, and never fail.
It has been the privilege of a lifetime to serve as your President. There have been good days and tough days. But every day I have been inspired by the greatness of our country, and uplifted by the goodness of our people. I have been blessed to represent this nation we love. And I will always be honored to carry a title that means more to me than any other - citizen of the United States of America.
And so, my fellow Americans, for the final time: Good night. May God bless this house and our next President. And may God bless you and our wonderful country. Thank you.
I think I'm far from alone in saying that I have mixed feelings about the eight years of the 43rd Presidency.
In that time we suffered the worst terrorist attack in our nation's history, saw an economy rebound from one economic recession before plunging into another, and began two campaigns of a multi-millennial war that we first engaged in
under Thomas Jefferson's watch. Neither campaign ended while he was in office, and it remains to be seen if the incoming President has the intestinal fortitude or political will to succeed in either conflict.
Bush allowed Iran to become a nuclear power and triggered a Middle East nuclear arms race as a result of his inaction; only time will tell if that failure to act will be translated into millions of lives lost in a nuclear exchange.
Bush tremendously expanded government and abandoned conservative free market principles. He made many, many bad decisions, and history is not likely to be kind to his legacy.
All of that acknowledged, Bush was President during a time in history that no other candidate offered during that time period in either party is likely to have done any better.
If Al Gore had won the 2000 election we don't know precisely how he would have faced the challenges of 2000-2004. We don't know—can't know—how he would have reacted to 9/11. We don't know if he would have chosen to engage Saddam Hussein, or Iran, or North Korea, or Pakistan. We do have strong circumstantial evidence that the Goracle's status as high priest of the global warming cult would have likely led to policies that would have plunged us into a deeper recession, faster, than what we've seen so far. Even if booted out after one term, his legacy would have been crippling the U.S. economy as the result of adhering to junk science lore and politically driven models over proven scientific methods.
The other potential Democratic President, John Kerry, would have likely chosen to lose the Iraq War. Once can only imagine what kind of failed state would remain there if Kerry had lived up to his campaign promises, and if the cruel hand of Sunni insurgent leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would have bee raised in triumph, spurring other young Muslims into Jihad. Kerry's cronyism with the Barney Frank's and Chris Dodd's of the Senate would have assured our housing market crash and economic spiral downward all the same. His big government prescriptions also championed by our incoming administration, promise that government will keep interfering in market economics until they completely wreck what they don't understand.
Would a Gore or a Kerry or even a McCain have led us to a Jan 20 inauguration with a world much different than we see before us now?
I somewhat doubt it.
Palestinians would still be trying to commit genocide against Israelis and crying when Israel had the temerity to strike back. Iran would still be developing their nuclear weapons program. The Chinese would still own our economy in our strange symbiotic economic relationship, and Europe would still see us as crude and unsophisticated even as their own cities streets became overrun with violent youths of indeterminate religion or nationality burning cars and chasing the police. Presidents are important, to be sure, but they are nowhere as powerful as they like to think they are.
Bush did what he could and what he thought was right because he sincerely thought it was right, not out of political calculus of what would make him popular. For better or ill, he had more courage than many Presidents.
After eight years, the man who came into office as the most popular and bi-partisan Governor in Texas history, who planned to pull both parties together, will leave office in a nation far more partisan and angry than when he came in. In a bit of delicious irony, the same forces that sought to bring him down and undercut him at every turn are now left drunk with their own self-importance (if flailing futures), and now have a product of their own design about to swear the Oath of Office. The honeymoon will assuredly be short.
People forget that "hope" and "change" put George W. Bush in office, too. While there, he gave us the best he had under difficult conditions. In hindsight, I still would have voted for him over fanatical Gore or patrician Kerry. It may not mean much. But it is something.
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Gore was not Algore in 2000. He was, of course, the supposed centrist and cool-headed shepard. I doubt if he had been President he would have gone all warmist etc but I'm glad we never found out.
From the very beginning, media awareness to the contrary, Bush has framed the GWOT as, from memory, the generational struggle of our day; a twilight conflict that will be fought over decades, by Presidents of BOTH parties. I guess we could have predicted that our beloved Left-leaning citizens wouldn't be on board until this particular prediction came true. It is to Barack's credit that he seems to be taking the GWOT more seriously than nearly any other Dem, even Clinton, whom he whipped so savagely and so dishonestly with this issue in the primaries. The only possible explanation, that two figures nearly polar opposites, at least in the public mind, would assume a nearly identical posture here is that these actions taken by the abomination Bush were and are the only reasoned course given the circumstances. Bush the Sr gave a bit of wisdom years ago, saying that you have a chance to be only two things in politics, either a bitter dissappointment or a pleasant surprise. We've seen the dissappointment of the peace-nik Left pile up like snow drifts even before the inauguration. It seems unlikely this course will change much knowing our adversaries both domestic and international. So, kudos to Bush. Thank you, sir and I apologize on behalf of my countrymen for making these difficult decisons more difficult. Kudos also to Barack. It appears, despite the evidence of last year's campaign, that he is actually educable. For a politician that is indeed change I can believe in. Provisionally.
Posted by: megapotamus at January 16, 2009 01:34 PM (LF+qW)
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I think Bush's legacy 50 years from now will be much, much more favorable than it is today.
Global terrorism will be what history focuses on in his presidency: The lack of another 9/11, or smaller scale strikes like occurred a few times on Clinton's watch, will take greater weight in history once the current generation of personal political bias fades out.
The fact the Afghan War (the hot war) was incredibly quick, and involved minimal US ground forces, compared to the Soviet experience will also grow in importance over time.
As will the fact Afghanistan did not deteriorate into complete chaos. Bush's effort in Afghanistan will never be considered an "unqualified success" - but because ultimate success there was so impossible to contemplate beforehand, he will be given significant credit for things not falling completely to shit there.
Iraq War II will also gain in positive weight over time - due to the short duration of the hot portion of the war and where we are at in Iraq as he leaves office. Today's society, bombarded by a relentless press, has been trained on the negatives of Iraq War II we saw so graphically before the surge had success. History will focus more on that success.
The economic collapse could have been the big killer on Bush's long-term legacy - but the Fannie Mac nature of the crash will provide Bush with some long term shielding though his economic policy will be viewed as a negative overall.
In short, historians will look beyond our current press when it comes to evaluating Bush's legacy 50 years from now.
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January 15, 2009
Crap Shoot
When I wrote Six Months Under The Gun for Pajamas Media, one aspect of carrying a concealed weapon that I decided not to cover was what you should do with your firearm if you have to use a public toilet. While it can constitute a legitimate dilemma when you gotta go gotta go gotta go right now, I figured people would be able to figure it out on their own.
I was wrong.
The man escaped with a few cuts to his arm, but the toilet made out much worse. Police say a man's gun fell out of its holster while he pulled up his pants after using the bathroom at a Carl's Jr. restaurant Tuesday. The gun fired when it hit the floor and shattered the commode.
I'll simply say this: if you are going to carry, you need to carry your firearm in a holster that holds it securely at
all times.
I don't know what the specifics of the Utah criminal justice system would say about this particular incident, but as the permit holder is responsible for all negligent discharges no matter how amusing or bizarre it may be, I would not be surprised if his carry permit is revoked as a result of this incident.
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"negligent discharges"
Umm, that's perhaps not the most fortunate choice of words in this situation....
Posted by: notropis at January 16, 2009 12:38 AM (S8o6Z)
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I call bullsh*t on this story.
A Kahr will not discharge if dropped; nor will a Glock or any other modern pistol. If the trigger is not pulled, the internal safety is not disengaged.
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The question, then, is what was he carrying?
If an older design, or a more modern weapon in poor shape, or suffering from user-made modifications or factory defects, it could still potentially fail.
Stranger things have happened. Granted not much stranger...
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 16, 2009 08:56 AM (gAi9Z)
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Sorry for the pun - but this guy's story doesn't pass the smell test. Prob'ly was sitting there on the throne playing with the firearm when he ND'd. Damn lucky he(or an unfortunate bystander) wasn't more seriously injured...
Posted by: Diogenes at January 16, 2009 09:13 AM (2MrBP)
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I concur with those who think there was more to this story (that is, that the gun was mishandled rather than dropped). Thankfully no one other than the owner was hurt. At the least, he needs a remedial course on gun safety, but don't know that his permit should be pulled. As a poor parallel, would it not be like pulling someone's driver's license if that person swerved off the road and destroyed a row of mailboxes?
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I wear a Bianchi Model 82 Carrylock holster. It keeps my Model 1911 in close enough to my side not to be obvious. There is a locking mechanism that holds the trigger guard until you depress the handle with your middle finger. It took me a few days to get used to it, but provides excellent security. It's available for most pistols. I think it set me back about $60.
http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Prod.php?TxtModelID=82
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January 13, 2009
Red Cross Confirms the Obvious: Israeli White Phosphorus Smoke Shells Used Legally in Gaza; Hamas Docs Continue Propaganda Efforts
I wrote several days ago that the Israeli use of 155mm M825A1 smoke shells was not in any way a "war crime," nor the use of "chemical weapons," nor in any way against the law of war, despite the cries of leftist journalists and Islamist activists.
Today,
the International Red Cross agreed:
The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally.
The comments came after a human rights organization accused the Jewish state of using the incendiary agent, which ignites when it strikes the skin and burns straight through or until it is cut off from oxygen. It can cause horrific injuries.
The International Committee of the Red Cross urged Israel to exercise "extreme caution" in using the incendiary agent, which is used to illuminate targets at night or create a smoke screen for day attacks, said Peter Herby, the head of the organization's mines-arms unit.
"In some of the strikes in Gaza it's pretty clear that phosphorus was used," Herby told The Associated Press. "But it's not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it's being used in any other way."
In response, the Israeli military said Tuesday that it "wishes to reiterate that it uses weapons in compliance with international law, while strictly observing that they be used in accordance with the type of combat and its characteristics."
Sadly, even the Red Cross' statement is unlikely to stem spurious allegations white phosphorus is being used as a weapon, as these photos show:

caption: Palestinian Louai Sobeh, 10, is treated for burns at Shifa hospital in Gaza City on January 12, 2009. Palestinian doctor working in Gaza City Dr Yusef Abu Rish told AFP that at least 55 people were injured early yesterday by white phosphorous shells, banned under international law for use against civilians, but permitted for creating smokescreens. "These people were burned over their bodies in a way that can only be caused by white phosphorous," said Abu Rish. An Israeli military spokeswoman denied the claims. "There is no use of white phosphorous. Everything we use is according to international law," she said.

caption: Palestinian Mohamed Ahmed is treated for burns at the Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip on January 12, 2009. Dr Yusef Abu Rish at Gaza City's Nasser hospital told AFP that at least 55 people were injured early yesterday by white phosphorous shells, banned under international law for use against civilians, but permitted for creating smokescreens. "These people were burned over their bodies in a way that can only be caused by white phosphorous," said Abu Rish. An Israeli military spokeswoman denied the claims."There is no use of white phosphorous. Everything we use is according to international law," she said.

caption: Palestinian Akram Abu Roka is treated for burns at the Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip on January 12, 2009. Dr Yusef Abu Rish at Gaza City's Nasser hospital told AFP that at least 55 people were injured early yesterday by white phosphorous shells, banned under international law for use against civilians, but permitted for creating smokescreens. "These people were burned over their bodies in a way that can only be caused by white phosphorous," said Abu Rish. An Israeli military spokeswoman denied the claims."There is no use of white phosphorous. Everything we use is according to international law," she said.
Let me be very blunt: both the Palestinian doctor and the IDF spokesperson are almost certainly lying.
Israel
is using white phosphorus, but it is
not violating any laws of warfare, because the white phosphorus they are using is not weaponized. They are using air-bursting shells to make smokescreens, not impact-detonating munitions one would associate with offensive incendiary use. when it comes to the white phosphorus they are using, the spokesperson is telling the truth when she claims that "Everything we use is according to international law."
So why does the IDF continue to insist it isn't using white phosphorus? I'd suggest it is because most media outlets covering the conflict are either so biased or so incompetent that they couldn't or wouldn't explain to their consumers that not all uses of white phosphorus are the same.
As for Dr. Yusef Abu Rish, he's either unfamiliar with what white phosphorus burns look like, or perhaps more likely, is serving up a healthy dose of propaganda.
As I mentioned
previously and Soccer Dad
picked up upon, the IDF is deploying smoke shells. In specific, they are using M825A1 air-bursting smoke rounds fired from 155 howitzers. The M825A1 disperses 3/4-inch thick solid felt wedges impregnated with white phosphorus that disperse from airbursting shells in altitudes that appear in most photos to be 100 feet off the ground, or more. Each shell disperses
116 wedges.
These wedges can indeed cause horrific, potentially fatal burns if they hit people, but this kind of WP dispersal would mostly likely cause distinctive, penetrating, and localized burn injuries— not the scattering of surface wounds suffered by Sobeh, the nearly uniform and widespread facial burns of Ahmed, or the heavy, extensive burns suffered by Roka. All of their woulds could certainly be combat-related, and the later two are distinctively burns, but they do not bear the signs one typically associates with white phosphorus.
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I'm not sure how you can comment on the last patient's burns as they are not visible. Do you have direct experience in treating burn victims and specifically white phosphorus burn victims?
I'm playing devil's advocate, but they are reasonable questions considering the certainty of your claims. And since these are ultimately medical issues, it would help to know if you have any medical background that would support your opinion.
Posted by: SPW at January 14, 2009 02:06 AM (KzMKD)
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Oh, I always love it when a newbie unfamiliar with my work strikes such a tone.
I have prior experience debunking white phosphorus claims dating back to November of 2005, when I interviewed military and medical experts (and in one extraordinary stroke of luck, a soldier with medical and artillery experience) when I debunked the Italian propaganda film Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre, which was a collusion between anti-war communists and Sunni insurgents regarding the taking Fallujah, Iraq, in 2004.
I'm sure you'll find this three-parter a fascinating read.
The Lies of Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre, Part 1
The Lies of Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre, Part 2
The Lies of Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre, Part 3
I've also discussed WP injuries with other military medical personnel, and read about the distinctive pathology of white phosphorus (both via external wounds and ingestion) dating back to WWI in researching those articles, and how M825A1 base-ejecting 155mm shells work.
The simple fact of the matter is that if you understand how theses shells work, and how the WP used in those shells works, then you quickly realize that none of those pictured are wounded in a way inconsistent with these shells.
Read the information at the links provided, and perhaps you'll understand why these claims are false.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 14, 2009 08:39 AM (gAi9Z)
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In part 3, the link to Signaleer he states: "Injuries related to WP are caused by direct contact with burning pieces of the waxy solid. The injuries are either primary; discrete burns in the immediate area of contact (photo left), or secondary, burns caused by the ignition of clothes or other materials that have come into contact with the WP (photo right)."
If you receive burns from the ignition of clothing, it looks like any other 'basic' burn a person would sustain.
Signaleer's statement doesn't really vindicate your opinion of these burns, it just makes the determination that more difficult. The photos he presents aren't significantly different from those in your blog post. The first photo definitely compares to the one shown by signaleer, and the second photo shown by you looks like a contact burn which is certainly possible based on Signaleer's comments.
You have certainly researched WP and talked to one person (Holcomb) who has knowledge in their wound patterns, but this doesn't give you the credentials to become a forensic pathologist. My question was whether you've actually taken care of burn victims and specifically WP burn victims to accurately assess the wounds in these photos. Further, you can't even see the wounds in the last patient so how on earth can you claim they aren't or are WP related burns?
Maybe you should show these pictures to Holcomb and see what he thinks, or a military physician with burn experience.
Posted by: SPW at January 14, 2009 10:10 AM (VftLx)
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Leftists often quote the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons as saying that White Phosphorus is an illegal weapon. However, it specifically excepts WP when used for smoke or illumination.
(b) Incendiary weapons do not include:
(i) Munitions which may have incidental incendiary effects, such as illuminants, tracers, smoke or signalling systems;
(ii) Munitions designed to combine penetration, blast or fragmentation effects with an additional incendiary effect, such as armour-piercing projectiles, fragmentation shells, explosive bombs and similar combined-effects munitions in which the incendiary effect is not specifically designed to cause burn injury to persons, but to be used against military objectives, such as armoured vehicles, aircraft and installations or facilities.
Also, the across the board ban on using incendiaries in civilian areas is applied specifically for "air-delivered incendiary weapons." The wording for other delivery methods, to include artillery is more discriminating:
3. It is further prohibited to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by means of incendiary weapons other than air-delivered incendiary weapons, except when such military objective is clearly separated from the concentration of civilians and all feasible precautions are taken with a view to limiting the incendiary effects to the military objective and to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.
Source:
http://www.ccwtreaty.com/KeyDocs/protocol3.html
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at January 14, 2009 10:45 AM (oC8nQ)
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SPW, let's be honest about your intentions, shall we? Everywhere you appear, you do so to be an apologist for pro-Hamas actors. All the same, let's look at what the photos show, and try to fill in the gaps in your education.
The Signaleer's photos show, clearly, the effects of free-form non-fixed WP as used in incendiary weapons systems--weapons, not the base-ejecting smoke wedges deployed by the M825A1.
Look closely at the Signaleer's images and you'll see a multitude of small, irregular multi-thickness burns. This is quite possible with WP in an incendiary weapon. Why?
Weaponized incendiary WP is dispersed by a burster charge (high explosives, typically impact fused but occasionally timed) that will typically spread small bits of WP that typically cause an irregular pattern of penetrating wounds as shown in the Signaleer's photos.
"Smoke" WP is fixed and dispersed differently in a way that makes it much less likely to cause casualties, which is why experts including the International Red Cross have stated so emphatically it isn't a weapon.
The WP is fixed--impregnated--in felt wedges that capture the WP. If hit by one of the WP-impregnated felt wedges, it is most likely to cause a distinctive burn--perhaps not unlike being struck with a branding iron.
While WP burns very hot, WP in this form it does not tend to stick to vertical or nearly vertical objects as it burns, and if it should hit someone, will typically cause localized contact burns before falling away.
The first photo does not show evidence of such a burn. As far as that goes there is no obvious evidence of burns on this boy at all, while quite obvious abrasions and lacerations indicate it is far more likely that we're looking at secondary blast wounds from conventional munitions.
Likewise, WP wedges are not consistent with the burns of the second victim.
I concur that his wounds would not be greatly dissimilar with WP incendiary munitions, but as multiple credible organizations including the International Red Cross have confirmed, these weapons are not being used. He is undoubtably burned, however. to my admittedly layman's eye these facial wounds appear more consistent with relatively quick "flashover" or "splashover" burns of high intensity and short duration. I've seen photos of similar burns resulting from various conventional IED/high explosive blasts, and even on a dim insurgent in Iraq that made the mistake of standing behind a compatriot firing an RPG. Again, I reiterate, this young man's burns are not consistent with the M825A1 payload.
Which brings us to this poor third victim. Again, if you understand the basic construction of the M825 smoke round, you cannot seriously suggest someone could be this seriously injured over such broad areas of his body--at least one arm, apparently the entire head, potentially his chest and other injuries-- from a burning piece of felt three-quarters of an inch thick.
I am not a forensic pathologist, coroner, medical examiner, internist, EMT, surgeon, RN, or LPN.
I am also not a geologist, oncologist,cashier, crossing guard, oceanographer, mathematician, or scullery maid...
...and yet I think that people in each of those professions have the capability to understand that a point-detonating incendiary white phosphorus warhead operates quite differently than a air-bursting shell designed to lay down comparatively innocuous smoke screens.
Hopefully, you have that capability as well.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 14, 2009 11:48 AM (gAi9Z)
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"I am also not a geologist, oncologist,cashier, crossing guard, oceanographer, mathematician, or scullery maid."
That acually made me laugh out loud.
Posted by: brando at January 14, 2009 12:47 PM (qzOby)
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The IDF isn't lying when they say they're not using WP, as in any military jargon WP means incendiary shells filled with the stuff, not smoke shells using it as a trigger agent or starshells.
So while they're using shells that have white phosphorous in them, those aren't white phosphorous shells.
It's no different from US APFSFS shells not being nuclear weapons despite containing (depleted) Uranium (the left accused the US of using nuclear weapons in Iraq just like they accuse Israel of using incendiary shells now).
Posted by: JTW at January 14, 2009 12:56 PM (hrLyN)
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I did not make the connection that Signaleer's photos were point contact incendiaries which is different from what is being used in Gaza. But you pointed me to the link, and it just says "WP burns." So there is a difference. I'm not so sure people in all of those professions (except perhaps the scullery maid) are capable of making a distinction between the two unless they are told the difference by someone with more knowledge. So in that sense we are relying on you which is what a person has to do everyday when they read the news. Take the reporter's word for it. But getting an outside opinion on the matter would strengthen your argument. Especially since you have a clear agenda in the matter.
And speaking of agenda, I happen to be pro-Israel on this conflict. Half of my family is Jewish. I'm not a Hamas apologist. I just don't believe everything I read or see, and will happily call someone on it. And since you can't evaluate a medical resuscitation very well, I'm naturally suspect about your opinions on these burn victims.
But for now, I'll take your word for it. Get an outside opinion that confirms it, and I'll give you a gold star because that would be some solid reporting.
Posted by: SPW at January 14, 2009 02:53 PM (VftLx)
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The guy in the second photo has a totally burned face, but his hair is absolutely intact, and no burning whatsoever to his clothing?
Can you say 'make-up'?
Posted by: Martin at January 14, 2009 05:54 PM (5617J)
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Martin,
I think it's already been established these people have real injuries. The question is whether they sustained them from WP dispersal.
The guy in the second photo clearly has upper lip edema (swelling) as well singed hair consistent with recent burn injuries. I think even in Gaza they can afford a change of clothes.
The notion that there are Hollywood make up artists with their kits in tow behind these photos is laughable.
Posted by: SPW at January 14, 2009 11:34 PM (VftLx)
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Matter of fact, SPW, Pal #2's facial blistering reminds me of the pics we saw of Ukraine's Yuschenko after the dioxin poisoning by (presumably) FSB. Perhaps it was toxic exposure or a chemical burn, say from a 'work accident' fueling Qassams. I'm sure rocket-fuel ingredients like RFNA will do that.
And I'm not sure what level of WP burn expertise would satisfy you, but I haven't seen any signs that you have expertise in anything but advocating against the side you claim to back.
Me, I don't know much about burns or incendiaries. but I will tell you, I was certified in CPR & first aid in high school, and the video of that kid getting CPR was a fake.
Posted by: Nichevo at January 15, 2009 01:09 AM (ltRYU)
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What? You're arguing that he went and changed his shirt before heading to the hospital to have his serious white phosphorous burns treated?
I think that is what they call 'bollocks' in England.
I looked at the picture again, and that guy has been made up. Faux burn victim.
Posted by: Martin at January 15, 2009 02:00 PM (5617J)
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I figured the Qassam used solid propellant. Even HAMAS wants to actually launch the rockets before dying, and Red Fuming Nitric Acid is something that would kill you quite dead when it is being handled. It is typically fired with UDMH, which is just deadly. I have no doubt that they lack concerns for safety, but messing around with toxic liquids does not go with a fast launch.
Posted by: OmegaPaladin at January 16, 2009 12:01 AM (CG316)
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OK, IANA rocket scientist. Nonetheless I don't see any singing, charring, or evidence of flae. Therefore I first think toxic chemical exposure. Radiation maybe, look at the light and dark areas. Fell asleep in a tanning bed? Biblical plague? Maybe he has a peanut allergy.
No, you know what? It was not a burn. Not with fire, anyway. His eyebrows and eyelashes are intact, not to mention facial and scalp hair. How was this guy burned? Nah, no way.
Posted by: Nichevo at January 16, 2009 06:53 AM (ltRYU)
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