Confederate Yankee
May 04, 2010
An Ideology of Naked Bigotry and Hate
Barack Obama purposefully described millions of American citizens with a sexually-explicit slur. Left-wing MSBNC shill Contessa Brewer is upset that the Times Square attempt couldn't be blamed on Tea Party protesters, and laments the fact that she can't ignore that most terrorists are indeed Muslims.
There has to come a point where the vicious partisanship shared by Brewer, Obama, and other progressives has to be recognized as nothing less than first-order bigotry and hatred that is antithetical to the hopes and dreams of what Americans aspire to be. Far from being able to carry out Dr. King's dream of being able to judge people just on the content of their character, we are instead saddled with a "progressive" movement blind to character, that uses the imagery of minority status as a cudgel, and which demands rigid ideological conformity from it's followers with no dissent allowed.
If you doubt this—even for a second—find a progressive forum and
politely question any part of their orthodoxy.
Suggest that gays should be entitled to a co-equal status to marriage, but not actual marriage. Ask sincerely why adoption is not preferable to abortion. Mention that while you didn't agree with his Presidency, you think that George Bush was a good man who sincerely cared about people. Mention that you just "don't get" all the anger directed at Sarah Palin.
Then
duck.
Such thinking—such questioning—is not allowed. Dissenters are brutally mocked and ridiculed. Internal conformity is demanded. Their hatred of the Other has spawned a movement less tolerant than the Klan and no more ideologically variable than the Khmer Rouge.
The ultimate irony, of course, is that they think they have diversity on their side. Perhaps they do have a point. They do have a diversity of color.
Just no diversity of acceptable thought, or any tolerance for those that would think for themselves.
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I was also disappointed that NYC Mayor Bloomberg jumped to conclusions in stating that the bomber was probably somebody (a white male) who was disgruntled about Obamacare. It's unfortunate that he harbors such reflexive, anti-WASP stereotypes.
Posted by: That Guy at May 05, 2010 01:56 AM (R0d+y)
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Wow! Trying to decipher your flow of logic is becoming more difficult.
Posted by: Steve Schwab at May 05, 2010 07:04 AM (5h8aJ)
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Let me help there, Steve.
Obumble and his legions are a bunch of racists that will never be called racists because the Lmsm-whores are just that - whores for the NDSWP party.
Failure of the whores to call obumble and his legions on their continued fixation on a bizarre sexual act say far more about both of them then anything that CC might write.
Got it?
Posted by: emdfl at May 05, 2010 08:47 AM (vwRFo)
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Let's test our own positions on matters like this:
I suggest that gays be allowed full marriage. Why shouldn't they?
Why is abortion not preferable to adoption?
While I do not agree with his presidency, I think Obama is a good man who sincerely cares about people. Am I wrong?
I just don't get all the anger directed at Obama. Please explain.
Posted by: Rusty at May 05, 2010 11:23 AM (uVv+L)
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@Rusty:
I suggest that gays be allowed full marriage. Why shouldn't they?
What is the definition of 'marriage' that you are using? Mine is a covenant between God, a man and a woman that all will love and cherish each other for eternity. All else is a 'civil union', a joining of two people sanctioned by the state until such time as they choose to part ways.
Why is abortion not preferable to adoption?
Why is death not preferable to life?
While I do not agree with his presidency, I think Obama is a good man who sincerely cares about people. Am I wrong?
Potentially, no, you're not wrong. I believe Obama is a good man who sincerely cares about people. However, his policies show a lack of knowledge about the best way to care for people. Either he has actively chosen his path and understands the proven negative consequences, which brings the 'good man' into question or he truly believes what he is doing is the best way to help people, in which case, I would say he is a good but deluded man.
I just don't get all the anger directed at Obama. Please explain.
I can't. I understand the anger directed at a federal government that has overstepped its Constitutional bounds, but not the anger directed at the temporary leader of said government. Except I will say that people often misdirect passionate emotions.
Posted by: Kat at May 05, 2010 11:59 AM (H0eO1)
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@Kat:
I'm not sure I understand your definition of "marriage". If I read you right, you're suggesting that a male atheist and a female atheist may have a legal "marriage", but in your eyes it's nothing more than a "civil union", right? After all, my hypothetical atheists certainly don't partake of any covenant with God.
If that's correct, then the more specific question for you is why you should object to the union of two homosexuals in the thing that civil authorities call "marriage". Just as with the atheists, in your eyes this will be nothing more than a "civil union", and I doubt that the couple in question will be concerned with your view. No church will have been involved in joining the homosexuals in marriage, so there's no coercion of religious bodies. What's wrong with that?
Posted by: AndyS at May 05, 2010 04:46 PM (g1d9l)
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Contessa Brewer should be arranged to marry a goat sodomizing caveman in south buttholystan so she can feel better and enjoy all the freedom women in that part of the sewer enjoy. Then maybe she might just get it. Kat might just get it too. Maybe...
Posted by: Toaster802 at May 05, 2010 07:00 PM (ObeRh)
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@AndyS
Sounds like you understood me perfectly. I don't object to 'gay marriage', I object to calling a 'civil union' a marriage at all. You may call it semantics, but we have cheapened the word 'marriage' by using it to describe something that is so easy dissolved as a 'civil union'.
I'm not concerned with whether or not homosexuals (or atheists for that matter) can get married. I'm more concerned with whether or not anyone can get divorced. The breakdown of the family is destroying our society.
Posted by: Kat at May 06, 2010 11:24 AM (H0eO1)
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Kat, O! is the leader of that out of control federal government. Therefore, we are angry with him.
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Comfortably Dumb
David Neiwert at Crooks and Liars makes an asinine and snarky post this morning about the capture of Times Square bombing suspect Faisal Shahzad, writing:
The next time you hear some right-winger (most notably Dick Cheney) sneer at the Obama administration's "law enforcement approach to terrorism," remember this.
Neiwert is either dumb as a post, or worse, assumes his readers are.
The law enforcement approach to terrorism that conservatives disagree with concerns terrorist events and suspects
outside of U.S. territory.
Many liberal Democrats prefer to treat international terrorism as an international law enforcement matter, a laughable strategy considering the ideological (and occasional state) support many terrorists receive in the countries they use as their base of operations. The military approach—which, I hasten to add, has been largely adopted by the Obama Administration
because it works—involves surveillance and military interdiction instead of arrest warrants. The Predator drones strikes inside Pakistan that have stepped up under Obama, and occasional raids in the Horn of Africa, are perfect examples of this in practice.
I defy Neiwert to product anyone—former Vice President Dick Cheney included—who calls for military strikes on American soil against suspected terrorists. No, we trust our federal, state and local law enforcement officers to use their expertise to track down terrorists on American soil, and they did just that in this instance, and admirably well.
Niewert is abusing a strawman. Worse, he's insulting the intelligence of his readers.
Or at least I hope he is.
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I am afraid it is the liberal journalists who are too comfortable.
Most seem to be educated beyond their intelligence. Any fool can bea journalist. It takes ability and talent to be a reporter. There are almost no reporters left and everybody with a pen and notebook IS a journalist.
Posted by: OdinsAcolyte at May 04, 2010 10:37 AM (brIiu)
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Niewert and the rest of the left have to find some lame thing to hang their hate on since the jihadi's keep defying their mantra that terrorism is just a ring wing construct.
Posted by: Timber at May 04, 2010 11:03 AM (MbyMv)
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"I defy Neiwert to product anyone—former Vice President Dick Cheney included—who calls for military strikes on American soil against suspected terrorists."
This one is easy to answer: it is none other than President Obama who has authorized the assassination of an American citizen wherever he might be found. Or does a CIA assassination not count as a "military strike"? From none other than Glenn Greenwald, last month:
"both The New York Times and The Washington Post confirm that the Obama White House has now expressly authorized the CIA to kill al-Alwaki no matter where he is found, no matter his distance from a battlefield."
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations
Posted by: d.eris at May 04, 2010 11:29 AM (/vHSl)
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He is flat out wrong, this is an example of a failure of the law enforcement approach. Lives were not lost only because Faisal was a failure as a bomb maker. The cops failed to bust him as he was building the bomb or transporting the bomb or setting the bomb. If he were more capable a lot of lives would have been lost before the cops make their big arrest on the Dubai flight.
Posted by: Mike at May 04, 2010 11:36 AM (Ll70k)
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Agree with you Mike. Add that they barely got him before he left the country and and they made him a citizen. So, what worked?
Posted by: David at May 04, 2010 11:53 AM (dccG2)
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Just a couple of comments before we get all satisfied with how well the interdiction worked. The plane was recalled during take-off. In otherword, just in the nick of time. The guy wasn't on a no-fly list even though homeland Security knew that he had recently traveled to Pakistan and visited Wrziristan for five weeks. That is pretty much a tell right there. I am not satisfied.
Posted by: garrettc at May 04, 2010 01:53 PM (DQjJA)
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That idiot Neiwert also makes a mistake in comparing the process of following evidence (police work) to how we treat the accused once caught (criminal vs. enemy combatant).
He's a liberal / blogger / journalist / msnbc / hack anyway, so good lord, don't assign too much credibility to him.
And while we're at it, let's blame Bush for putting into place some of the mechanisms used to track down this failed bomber.
Posted by: jcrue at May 04, 2010 05:22 PM (7SOYO)
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Another thing to consider, if the bomb successfully detonates and there is significant loss of life, property damage and the associated confusion and hysteria, what are the chances Faisal gets away while everyone is running around like headless chickens?
Posted by: Mike at May 05, 2010 07:59 AM (Mv/2X)
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"Some of the advisers to President George W. Bush, including Vice President Dick Cheney, argued that a president had the power to use the military on domestic soil to sweep up the terrorism suspects, who came to be known as the Lackawanna Six, and declare them enemy combatants."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/us/25detain.html?_r=1&hp
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Arrest Made in Times Square Terror Attack
The usual suspects:
Federal authorities arrested a U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent Monday night at New York's JFK International Airport in connection with Saturday's attempted Times Square car bombing.
The man was identified as Faisal Shahzad, of Connecticut, Attorney General Eric Holder said. Shahzad was attempting to board a flight to Dubai at the time of his arrest, Holder said.
A total of three people were taken off the flight, but information is scarce about the other two.
And the Taliban video claim? It was
posted from Connecticut as well. As it starred known Taliban, that video claim that this was a Taliban attack seems even more solid than earilier.
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I think you need to be a little more careful. The 2005 bombings in London were claimed by Al Qaeda and the bombers included clips of Al Qaeda in at least one of their videos, but no link was established beyond the obvious one of inspiration. They were homegrown.
Likewise the 2007 failed bombing in London which used a propane/gas device very much like the one used in NY, was also homegrown, despite messages on Al-Hesbah. There is a world of difference between pointing to the Taliban for inspiration and having the actual bombing being a Taliban plot. The NY bomb doesn't seem to have any physical connection to the Taliban's master bomb-maker, does it?
It's sexier to point to the Taliban, but what's important is finding the actual criminals so they can be arrested, and so our efforts at preventing future attempts are focus in the right place.
Posted by: Jim at May 04, 2010 07:37 AM (VPTxh)
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"...but what's important is finding the actual criminals so they can be arrested, and so our efforts at preventing future attempts are focus in the right place."
"Criminals?" This is not a law enforcement issue. We've been damn lucky that the last several attempts have failed. Law enforcement only works after the fact. "What's important" is tracking the terrorist network back to its roots and killing them. They are at war with us, even if we are not at war with them. How many more thousands must die before we take this threat seriously??
Posted by: Diogenes Onlin at May 04, 2010 08:31 AM (2MrBP)
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what worries me is that they let him board the plane with s flaged under the united arab emerints.wouldent that be the same as being in there country or at there embassy?
Posted by: Rich at May 04, 2010 08:38 AM (siQqy)
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It is a law enforcement issue, unless you're advocating Predator drone strikes in Conn or Colorado.
It's simply not true to say LE only works after the fact,Zazi and Ahmedzay, and heck even Jihad Jane were caught ahead of time. Yeah it's a lot harder to catch US citizens than it is to blow folks up in Pakistan, which is why we should focus on the guys here that are harder to catch.
Obama has many more boots on the ground in Afghanistan, and has used many more drones than the previous administration, check out the plots on the Long War Journal. Whether either approach is working is debatable, but it's covered. Pointing to NW Pakistan, when the bombers are US citizens living here isn't by itself going to prevent the next attack.
Posted by: Jim at May 04, 2010 09:15 AM (VPTxh)
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Is that white man off the hook??? And where is the mug shot of the accused?
Posted by: duncan at May 04, 2010 11:05 AM (lGcPs)
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A naturalized U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent travels to Peshawar, returns to this country and successfully places a bomb in Times Square - thank God that it didn't detonate. This is a law enforcement success story??
Posted by: Diogenes Online at May 04, 2010 11:28 AM (2MrBP)
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No Diogenes, the people I mentioned who were arrested before committing acts of terrorism were law enforcement success stories. You had claimed such cases do not exist. But yes, making an arrest 48 hours after the attempt is great police work as well.
And yes, the rest of the ongoing case in the US is in the hands of law enforcement and has to remain there -- unless of course you want to see drones in the USA.
Or are you seriously arguing that US citizens no longer have Constitutional Rights?
Posted by: Jim at May 04, 2010 11:40 AM (YPeWM)
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"Or are you seriously arguing that US citizens no longer have Constitutional Rights?"
No - I'm seriously arguing that the root of the problem isn't in CT or CO; well beyond the legal reach of USLEO. I'm arguing that this was not a LEO success story just because the device didn't detonate. I'm arguing that anyone(including U.S. citizens) that travel to Peshawar and return to the U.S. bear watching.
Finally, I'm arguing that this administration has been skating on thin ice for well over a year with multiple near misses and their luck and ours may be running out...
Posted by: Diogenes Online at May 04, 2010 12:10 PM (2MrBP)
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This administration had done more in Afghanistan and Pakistan than the last one did.
The root of the problem is over there and over here. These last bombers (attempted and arrested) were over here, ignoring that (law enforcement) will not make us safer.
Posted by: Jim at May 04, 2010 12:19 PM (YPeWM)
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"Or are you seriously arguing that US citizens no longer have Constitutional Rights?"
If they keep making strawman arguments as stupid as this one, then yes, they should no longer have any rights. Forget the Eighth Amendment - burn 'em at the stake.
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at May 05, 2010 10:58 PM (Eg9Id)
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Yes it's a stupid argument, but it's no strawman, McCain, King, et. al. have been asking why Shahzad was read his rights, as if there is any other choice.
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May 03, 2010
Hutaree Cultists Out On Bail
When they were first arrested after being accused of plotting the murder of police officers in hopes of starting a civil war, the charges against the militant Hutaree cult sounded serious and shocking.
After reviewing the evidence, however, the judge in the case has lashed out at the government for deficiencies in the case and ordered the suspects
freed on bail:
In a blistering attack, U.S. District Court Judge Victoria Roberts in Detroit said prosecutors had failed to persuade her the defendants were a danger to the community.
While they may have engaged in "offensive and hate-filled speech," it was not at all clear that they had conspired to break any laws, Roberts wrote.
"Discussions about killing local law enforcement officers -- and even discussions about killing members of the Judicial Branch of Government -- do not translate to conspiring to overthrow, or levy war against, the United States Government," she wrote in a 36-page opinion.
The fury of the judge does not seem to bode well for the government's case.
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So, uh, does this mean the Tea Partiers are safe?
Posted by: cobolpoet at May 03, 2010 03:07 PM (17bqM)
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We are all Hutaree now...
Posted by: Toaster802 at May 03, 2010 03:29 PM (ObeRh)
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A quick search reveals that Her Honor Victoria Roberts was appointed to her judgeship by the Slug in 1998, and her bio is consistent with a D affiliation.
Methinks that if she is reaming the prosecution, in a case like this, it really doesn't bode well for the government's case...
Posted by: wolfwalker at May 03, 2010 03:42 PM (aijDA)
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Hmmm. Considering that this is the same administration that not only thought that one of the most deadly dangers facing America is our own soldiers returning from the battlefield, but actually published that insane, paranoid fantasy, one does have to wonder about such charges and the kind of people who lodge them.
Perhaps these are in fact dangerous criminals, but as CY has observed, this is not an encouraging development.
Posted by: mikemcdaniel at May 03, 2010 09:54 PM (qjRSd)
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This judge needs the benefit of a re-education camp. President Obama has made it exceptionally clear that thought-crimes against the state have the same effectual impact as actual crimes (excluding actual crimes against the state committed by righteous revolutionaries such as personal friend Bill Ayers and his wife).
Posted by: Hatless Hessian at May 03, 2010 11:06 PM (7r7wy)
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Huh. Good for her. Ya know if a Democrat who is a judge decides that the left controlled law enforcement is out of line then they must really be way out of line. That is my thinking on the matter anyway.
The judge may be very right. the givment has got to protect every persons right to say whatever. It is in the doing that matters.
Posted by: Ron at May 04, 2010 11:00 AM (HUv1s)
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Isn't it interesting that the Feds don't even seem to have adequate evidence to hold the Hutaree without bail, yet the Hutaree were charged with sedition and Shazad (the Times Square car bomber) has not been charged with sedition.
I think that fact tellingly demonstrates who the Democrats think is the real enemy, and who they think isn't.
Posted by: Brad at May 04, 2010 09:08 PM (Xk55q)
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It's National Pet Week
Enjoy your pets...
...just not like this.
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Violent Leftists Riot in Asheville May Day; National Media Silence Results
Imagine, if you will, what would happen if a group split off from a Tea Party protest and went on a rampage, smashing windows and vandalizing cars. Eleven are arrested, and some of those have known ties to right wing militia groups.
Don't you think that dozens of stories would have flooded network news and talk shows, and that government officials—perhaps Obama himself—would decry the right wing violence?
Well, that likely would occur if the violence was right wing in origin, but when a group of radical leftists split off from the main crowd at a pro-communist May Day parade in Asheville, NC over the weekend and went on a rampage, the national media utterly ignored it.
I've found only a
handful of local
stories about the violence, and none dare identify it as left wing in origin, though the
Mountain Express comes closest.
Last night around 10:45 p.m., vandals shattered glass at several businesses around the Battery Park Avenue area, including the Eye Center, Bella's, the Asheville Citizen-Times, the entrance to the Grove Arcade, Cucina 24, an RBC Centura ATM and the glass etching landmark across the street from the Arcade. Several cars in the area were also damaged. Reports at the time described around 20 people wearing dark clothing, breaking windows.
"The subjects were wearing masks and face coverings and are estimated to have damaged at least eight vehicles and five businesses," an announcement from the Asheville Police Department reads. "Officers from all districts responded, as well as a K-9 unit and Forensics staff."
So far, 11 people have been arrested by the APD. Most are from outside the Asheville area. They are:
Jordan M. Ferrand-Sapsis, 24, of Oklahoma City, Okla.; Naomi Rachel Ullian, 26, of West Chestnut St. Asheville;
Marshall Rogers Tingler, 24, of Oklahoma City
; Daniel Heinz Regenfcheit, 26, of Carrboro; Karen Leigh Alderser, 19, of Carrboro.; Alissa Marie Batzold, 18, of Carrboro; Havely Carolyn Carsky, 23, of Meadow Lake Road, Asheville; Randall Duncan Stezer, 17, of Graham; Wyatt Sherman Allgeier, 19, of Mount Pleasant; Cailin Elizabeth Major, 25, of Milwaukee, Wis.
; and Nicholas Ryan Entwistle, 19, of Kansas City, Mo.
The article goes on to mention that two of those arrested are anarchists, affiliated with known radical left-wing groups. You won't find any mention of the politics of those arrested, even though their leftist radicalism seems to be at the heart of their violent rampage. The evidence is too circumstantial, I'm sure the media would suggest, even though Ferrand-Sapsis helps publish a
radical prison newsletter routinely censored for incitement, and Major is being sued for
civil rights violations for attacking churchgoers as part of militant pro-gay group Bash Back.
Don't look for Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann to froth with outrage over the violence; it comes from their side. Don't expect Janet Napolitano to issues vague warnings about left wing terror. Don't expect Congressional liberals to express faux "concern."
You see, left wing political violence doesn't exist... even when it does.
Update: Ed Morrissey notes a
similar riot—and anemic media response—in Santa Cruz, CA.
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Right on CY! Have you attempted to forward this to FOXNEWS. Maybe they'll mention it tonight. Just a thought. Keep on keeping on!!!!
Posted by: wes at May 03, 2010 10:12 AM (f5KNi)
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It makes me remember of a bus being attacked in France last week-end, this is from some people who want to put some pressure when someone is arrested about drugs, and this is the third time in one month, in a town called Tremblay which sounds like "trembler", what means tremble.
Posted by: Cartesian at May 03, 2010 10:15 AM (c5nyf)
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I kind of makes you see who they may fear the most. I can think of nothing more terrible to the politicians and the MSM than the rise of the silent majority. This is the population group that is most responsible through history for rebellion. Not the left or radicals.
Posted by: David at May 03, 2010 10:42 AM (VfLqK)
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we have communists and anarchists marching in support of the democratic party. this is why american tass and our democratic party politicans will never say a word about it. all that matters is their political agenda. to them the end justifies means. it sure isn't my father's democratic party. or mine either for that matter.
Posted by: tommy mc donnell at May 03, 2010 11:37 AM (umtln)
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Just a week ago Obama made a highly-charged racial plea for black and Hispanic voters to support the Dem.s in the fall. Several days later he makes a blatantly false statement that Hispanics will be arrested for buying "ice cream" for their kids without proper ID. And now he says nothing about the riots- after he and Bill Clinton demagogued about violent (right-wing) extremism.
One could argue that he's almost inciting violence from his base.
Posted by: That Guy at May 03, 2010 05:16 PM (R0d+y)
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So 11 snot-nosed anarchists (who, incidentally, hate liberals) punks in Asheville decided to throw some rocks and it's a violent left-wing riot?
You are aware that anarchists are much closer ideologically to libertarians than they are liberals, right?
Posted by: bobaloo at May 03, 2010 07:53 PM (E5oTf)
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"You are aware that anarchists are much closer ideologically to COMMUNISTS than they are liberals, right?"
FTFY
Posted by: Armando at May 04, 2010 10:22 AM (nd0uY)
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I am an anarchist at heart. I hate socialists and communists and I am not real thrilled with what I have seen America become in the last 50 years...
It is amazing how many people are coming around to my oint of view. Critical mass is approaching and change is in the air. Quit lumping anarchists inwith those socialists. I am againt too much government and certainly against full-time politicians.
Posted by: Odins Acolyte at May 04, 2010 10:33 AM (brIiu)
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Its not anarchism if advocated for by violence. That is just a small dictatorship. Nonetheless, the real violence is ignored.
Posted by: donkeyphong at May 04, 2010 03:22 PM (lwO4H)
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Destroying property isn't violence. Remember the tea party? Also, anarchists fight communists (see the russian revolution, among other things) and fascists (spanish civil war). Get your facts straight. Also, many anarchists, including the more ruckus ones don't even consider themselves leftist. They are anti-racist, anti-government, and anti-capitalism though. Agree or disagree, but do the research.
P.S. glenn beck's coverage of "we are an image from the future" is inaccurate. Those are anarchists not communists. Anarchists are against government, and only use violence (as in AGAINST LIVING THINGS) in self-defense. Like when the police start shooting in greece.
Posted by: abcrit at May 04, 2010 09:47 PM (4jo6y)
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It is time to call this terrorism and therefore subject to the death penalty. It is also time for the police to use live ammo against any radical groups that support socialistic or communist causes. According to the constitution, they are illegal and subject to treason.
Posted by: Progressive=Mentally Ill at May 04, 2010 10:19 PM (H2VLN)
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It would be interesting to note the origins of may day: anarchists threw a bomb at the police when the police attacked a demonstration in Chicago in 1876 or 1877. The police then killed a lot of people. They then rounded up the anarchists and killed 5 of them regardless of whether or not they'd thrown the bomb.
And for all of this strife, the US adopted the 8-hour work day.
Modern anarchists are no affiliated with liberals and reject state communism as well. The reason the media would jump on the opportunity to talk about the Tea Party is that, well, the media jumps on everything the tea party does. By the numbers, there are many more anarchists than tea-partiers in the united states, but they aren't the media darlings so they are ignored when they commit petty vandalism like happened in May Day in Asheville.
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May 02, 2010
Taliban Claims Responsibility for Times Square Bomb Attempt
Let's see Mayor Bloomberg continue to downplay this:
A top Pakistani Taliban commander took credit for yesterday's failed car bomb attack in New York City.
Qari Hussain Mehsud, the top bomb maker for the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, said he takes "fully responsibility for the recent attack in the USA." Qari Hussain made the claim on an audiotape accompanied by images that was released on a YouTube website that calls itself the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan News Channel.
The tape has yet to be verified, but US intelligence officials contacted by The Long War Journal believe it is legitimate. The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan News Channel on YouTube was created on April 30. Officials believe it was created to announce the Times Square attack, and Qari Hussain's statement was pre-recorded.
"This attack is a revenge for the great & valuable martyred leaders of mujahideen," Qari Hussain said. He listed Baitullah Mehsud, the former leader of the Pakistani Taliban who was killed in a Predator strike in August 2009, and Abu Omar al Baghdadi, the former leader of al Qaeda Islamic State of Iraq who was killed by Iraqi forces in mid-April. And although he was not mentioned, an image of Abu Ayyub al Masri, the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, was also displayed in the images accompanying the audiotape.
You can view the video yourself at
The Long War Journal. I don't think we can emphasis enough that this has every appearance of being a legitimate Taliban attack inside the United States, plotted overseas, and not the work of an isolated homegrown jihadi acting on his own initiative.
The bomber obviously has access to the explosives and vehicles as they are extremely common components. The question now is whether the bomber has orders to make a second attempt.
(h/t
AllahPundit on Twitter)
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so I guess this conflicts with Obama's administrations october 2009 policy "President Obama's national security team is moving to reframe its war strategy by emphasizing the campaign against Al Qaeda in Pakistan while arguing that the Taliban in Afghanistan do not pose a direct threat to the United States, officials said Wednesday."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/team-obama-afghan-taliban_b_314144.html
Who would have thought??!?!?!?
Posted by: Scott at May 02, 2010 01:37 PM (8uees)
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It sounds a lot more like the amateur and homegrown failed car bombing outside of a club in London in 07 or 08 than Al Qaeda or the Taliban. They used propane tanks as well.
Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2010 01:51 PM (TNxYU)
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Actually it sounds like a good design poorly done. the ingredients if ignited correctly would cause a rolling expanding fireball and pressure wave.
I keep saying this: As easy as it is to make a bomb (especially here in the USA) we have been very lucky the bombers have been stupid or incompetent.
Posted by: JP at May 02, 2010 01:57 PM (VxiFL)
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Good thing we've been fighting them over there so they can't fight us over here!
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 02, 2010 07:15 PM (p96pa)
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Refresh my memory, Doc... how many combat soldiers did we have in Afghanistan in September of 2001?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 02, 2010 07:19 PM (8uhHq)
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It wasn't al queda. i have picked your site to announce that the Pennsylvania Chapter of The Affiliated Quilters and Knitters hereby claims responsibility for the foiled attempt. We're upset with yarn prices.
See how easy it is to claim responsibility for something you had nothing to do with?
anyway, I'll join in..... BLAME OBAMA!!!!!!!
Posted by: Jerry at May 02, 2010 07:32 PM (jsQWZ)
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We had no soldiers in Afghanistan in September 2001, we did, however, have quite a few in the Arabian peninsula. This, along with our support for Israel, is why we were attacked. There are no guarantees of course, but not meddling in their business would probably limit their meddling in ours.
Posted by: Will Butler at May 02, 2010 07:57 PM (LgpMF)
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"but not meddling in their business would probably limit their meddling in ours."
All those pesky non-Muslim citizens from Nigeria to the Indonesia who've been slaughtered must have had it coming. If only they'd been smart enough not to meddle in those poor jihadis' business, their heads might still be attached to their bodies.
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at May 02, 2010 08:15 PM (Eg9Id)
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Cute, but that's not what I was referring to. Actions that nations take have consequences. For example, we deposed Mossadegh in Iran and replaced him with the Shah, whose misrule was a primary cause of the rise of Islamic fundamentalism and the Iranian revolution. We backed the "Noble" Mujahideen against the Soviets and their native Marxist allies in Kabul, and you see how that turned out... You can see everything in terms of "the terr'ists hate our freedom", or you can be a rational thinking adult.
Posted by: Will Butler at May 02, 2010 08:30 PM (LgpMF)
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"but not meddling in their business would probably limit their meddling in ours."
Killing them is a bit more reliable.
Posted by: Pablo at May 02, 2010 08:47 PM (yTndK)
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Killing who, white men in their 40s?
Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2010 10:00 PM (VPTxh)
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"Cute, but that's not what I was referring to."
There's nothing cute about church burnings or little Asian schoolgirls getting mutilated for the crime of being Christian. I want to know, what did these people do to provoke their murders?
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Sort of weird ... I was 6 blocks North when this happened.
Posted by: Neo at May 03, 2010 10:17 AM (tE8FB)
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I can't for the life of me figure out why you haven't been updating this breaking story of a clear attack by the Taliban upon the USA.
Posted by: Jim at May 03, 2010 03:49 PM (YPeWM)
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Don't worry, Jim, I'll make an update once they can provide more about the Pakistani-American and others suspected in this plot that the government agrees is an overseas plot.
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Well that's kind of why I asked. You linked to the story about the video that now appears to not have been connected to the bomb, but haven't had anything to say about what's come out in the last two days.
I assume you're talking about the WaPo source for the foreign involvement story, but it seems to be pretty clear that it wasn't anything organized -- like the Taliban or AlQ. So why wait on that info after having posted that it was clearly Taliban days ago?
Posted by: Jim at May 03, 2010 04:06 PM (YPeWM)
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Better get cracking, CY. Otherwise, Jim will do...what, exactly? Hmm...
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at May 03, 2010 09:30 PM (Eg9Id)
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Otherwise I'll call him out for only being interested in an attempted bombing if the bomber is a foreigner or a lefty. When the rumor was that the guy was Taliban CY was all over the story, when the facts started pointing towards a "white 40-something American" CY started pushing other stories about rioting lefties. He linked to a Taliban video but couldn't find the time to link to the NYPD video of the suspect. Pretty lame use of the attempted murder of Americans if you ask me.
Posted by: Jim at May 03, 2010 09:59 PM (VPTxh)
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Wow... Jim done figured I was anglin' to racially profile a dad-gummed furnier! Why, i even dared post about somethin' other that that exact same topic!
How dare I not adhere to "Jim's Rules of How Other People Should Run Their Blogs!"
Listen, slick... I've got something in excess of 3,500 blog entries dating back to 2004. If you can find in there any occurance of where I stuck to one story or theme exclusively for days or weeks on end, without posting on anything else, then you might have a point... but you don't.
I posted the Long War Journal info because I know Bill a little and he is a solid source. If the pros are now backing off the authenticity of the video, fine. But opinions on that are mixed at best.
Right now all that has updated is that we have a vaguely caucasian man on video and another suspect in a video I haven't seen, neither of which really do much to advance the story at all... other than your apparent desire to find some sort of hidden meaning.
I'd also suggest you learn that caucasian does not mean "white."
But that fact wouldn't fit your agenda, would it?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 03, 2010 10:59 PM (8uhHq)
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The NYPD called the guy white, not Caucasian, as did Fox, Allahpundit, if you think they have an agenda take it up with them, Slick.
Posted by: Jim at May 03, 2010 11:10 PM (VPTxh)
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Having told us the bomb wasn't at all amateurish I'd think you have found all the amateurish details -- M88s, plain fertilizer in a gun locker -- newsworthy. But then again, you're not interested in any facts that don't support your guess. Almost like someone with an...agenda.
Posted by: Jim at May 03, 2010 11:33 PM (VPTxh)
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Pakistani-American Faisal Shahzad has been arrested...
Initial police reports claimed was Caucasian, not white. Sorry. You're wrong again, Jim.
As for the device, it looks like he tried to improvise with the fertilizer, but depending on the precise configuration of device, claiming that fireworks--a stable ignition source--are the sign of an amateur simple means you know nothing of field expedient weapons.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 04, 2010 01:22 AM (8uhHq)
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Initial police reports? Where? Like I said, the NYPD, Fox and Allahpundit all used the word "White". Do you want or need me to supply all the links or can you be honest about at least that point?
And save me the blah blah about my knowledge of explosives. Have you seen ANY expert source, NYPD, FBI, heck a blogger you trust, who says THIS device was anything but amateur hour?
Posted by: Jim at May 04, 2010 07:01 AM (VPTxh)
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"Almost like someone with an...agenda. "
Because Jim's agenda is either non-existent or just-so self evidently right that it doesn't matter. Some agendas are more equal than others!
"You're wrong again, Jim."
Sssh - in jimbo's "mind" jihad-boy must be some rightie tea-party fellow with an elaborate Muslim disguise. I can almost hear the whimpering in progglodyte circles - one news anchor all but admitted that she was "disappointed" that the man turned out to be a Muslim. I wonder who she was hoping he'd be...?
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Possible Fuel-Air Explosive Terrorist Attack In Times Square Goes Awry
I'm just getting up to speed on the news of a failed terrorist attack in New York City' Times Square, where authorities responded to the scene of a smoking vehicle after calls about an explosion, and found the bomb:
Police officers from the emergency service unit and firefighters flooded the area and were troubled by the hazard lights and running engine, and by the fact that the S.U.V. was oddly angled in the street. At this point, a firefighter from Ladder 4 reported hearing several "pops" from within the vehicle. The police also learned that the Pathfinder had the wrong license plates on it.
Members of the Police Department’s bomb squad donned protective gear, broke the Pathfinder's back windows and sent in a "robotic device" to "observe" it, said Deputy Commissioner Paul J. Browne, the police department's chief spokesman.
Inside, they discovered three canisters of propane like those used for barbecue grills, two five-gallon cans of gasoline, consumer-grade fireworks — the apparent source of the "pops" — and two clocks with batteries, the mayor said. He said the device "looked amateurish."
Mr. Browne said: "It appeared it was in the process of detonating, but it malfunctioned."
I'm going to disagree with the Deputy Commissioner, and suggest there is nothing amatuerish about this bomb. I agree with
Allahpundit that appears the 3 bulk propane tanks and 10 gallons of gas were to be the explosives in a
fuel-air explosive, one of the deadliest weapons in modern warfare. While not as polished as those used by mlitary forces (including our own), the explosive power of these devices in IED form are fierce, as a burster charge spreads a flammable cloud of fuel, that is then detonated by a secondary charge to form a massive overpressure wave that is extremely lethal.
This particular device seems to have failed because the bomb builder simply got his chemistry slightly askew, and had the fuel air mix inside the vehicle too low (which I somewhat doubt), or more likely, had too much fuel in the cabin of the vehicle so that the potential bomb didn't have the air it needed to breath and detonate properly. If the fireworks had ignited when the fuel-air mixture was optimum, we'd be reading a story of carnage this morning like those we've seen in Iraq, with hundreds dead.
They need to find the individual terrorist or terrorist group behind this and fast, because odds are that they now know exactly what they did wrong with this bomb, and they are not likley to make the same mistake again.
Update: South Park related? The evidence is thin, but it isn't entirely unreasonable.
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The Global War on Terror: the entire world vs. 45% of the citizens of the United States. The eventual outcome is foreordained.
Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2010 08:49 AM (UMJIq)
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Nah, this was obviously just some rich old white racist-dude's attempt to convert his car to run on propane that went aray. He probably just stepped out of it to buy a paper or something... That'll no doubt be the conclusion of the fbies(preconceived as always for these sort of "situations").
Posted by: emdfl at May 02, 2010 08:50 AM (vwRFo)
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My guess is right-wing extremist, McVeigh types. Diverse, cosmopolitan New York is an natural target. I think if there were Islamic terrorists in this country who wanted to carry out an attack they would have done so already. All it would take is a few easily purchased AKM's or AR-15's and a crowded mall.
Posted by: Will Butler at May 02, 2010 09:06 AM (LgpMF)
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Muslims? We don't see no Muslims. Must have been a teabagger. http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/05/02/give-my-regards-to-broadway/#more-8832
Posted by: zhombre at May 02, 2010 10:34 AM (p3VBZ)
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As Yoda says "amateur it's not; stupid he is!" Just because it failed to detonate doesn't mean it's amateurish. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would understand terrorists are always trying to find methods to build wmd's.
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National Enquirer Ready to Break Obama Cheating Scandal... That I Wrote About Two Years Ago
Go to the Enquirer for the taste of exploitive naughtiness and rumors of video, and then to this October 29, 2008 CY story for the details the Enquirer left out of their teaser.
Keep in mind that I interviewed the driver (who is not a professional limo driver, but the National Operations Director for a PR firm Obama had hired for his 2004 Senate race), published the story here, and then offered the source's contact info to the MSM so that they could do their own investigations... but
ABC News and NBC News had already interviewed the driver, and chose to squash the story.
Other media outlets also apparently knew of the affair and the willing witness, and sat on the story as well.
Let's be very frank. If any of these new organizations had printed the truth regarding Barack Obama's affair with Vera Baker just a week prior to the election, he would not be our President.
The lesson here?
If you have important information about a political candidate for the most powerful elected position on planet Earth and need it to be dissiminated, make sure you make your first call to a reputable news organization without a partisan axe to grind... like the
National Enquirer.
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Michelle knows and hasn't made a eunuch out of him yet..........Strange, very strange but we can only hope.
Posted by: AndyJ at May 01, 2010 08:26 PM (Lik9t)
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And that little disappearing act Obama pulled a few weeks ago. . . was Vera in town?
Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at May 01, 2010 08:38 PM (K6sNh)
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Not surprising, I suppose. But I wish a publication other than the Enquirer would break the story.
Posted by: Adam Woodford at May 01, 2010 09:11 PM (d//ej)
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But it seems The National Enquirer is so unsure of the story it never mentions the word "sex." Since when does the Enquirer avoid the word "sex"?
Posted by: Neo at May 01, 2010 09:23 PM (tE8FB)
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It's unfortunate that taste of exploitive naughtiness link is not available in our Philippine area for further reading.
Posted by: Trosp at May 02, 2010 10:34 AM (6Keqa)
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You're awfully blase' for someone who's just been totally plagiarized.
Posted by: denver_guy at May 02, 2010 03:09 PM (KML1Q)
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An affair? An affair involving the most arrogant, narcissistic, drooled over, demigod in our nation's history? Certainly not. It must be an evil Republican plot.
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Do They Suspect Sabotage?
Glenn Reynolds points out the odd behavior of law enforcement agencies in the growing Gulf oil spill disaster.
Mr. Obama said SWAT teams were being dispatched to the Gulf to investigate oil rigs and said his administration is now working to determine the cause of the disaster...
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...Napolitano said the Homeland Security and Interior departments are conducting a joint investigation into what caused the explosion on the rig.
I understand that Homeland Security may have a valid role investigating the
Deepwater Horizon rig explosion, especially if there are concerns that it may not have been an obvious accident and that sabotage needs to be ruled out.
But unless SWAT means something in some other context than paramilitary special weapons and tactics teams, I'm not understanding why these units are being deployed to oil rigs, when to the best of my knowledge, that is both well outside their normal jurisdiction, and presumably, beyond the average SWAT team's skill set.
Don't get me wrong... I'm not bad-mouthing SWAT officers, but how many of them have the kind of background to investigate oil rigs? The logical use of such teams on a rig would be to provide security and deter criminal actions, right?
So why does the President think that oil rigs need SWAT teams instead of engineers?
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The Obama Administration is ever and always trying to prove violent conspiracies against ordinary American civilians. The most comic pictures of the day today are of peaceful Tea Partiers in Quincy [sweet little old ladies in red 'tea shirts' and big smiles] being monitored as trouble makers by fully armed fully armored SWAT team members in the background, because Mr. Obama was making one of his interminable speeches in the neighborhood, and one of his staff of conspiracy fantasists had required the presence of said SWAT team 'to control the violence.' The SWAT team members look quite uncomfortable as they watch the TEA Partiers ambling along singing 'God Bless America.'
It's fascinating. You just can't make this stuff up.
Marianne Matthews
Posted by: Marianne Matthews at April 30, 2010 11:10 AM (Aaj8s)
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I doubt if Obama knows what a swat team is, and the new spin is a swat team of investigators to look into the "accident".
Posted by: bman at April 30, 2010 11:35 AM (ne/1s)
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I wouldn't put this past environmentalist. It seems that this is happening allot lately in the energy industry that is targeted by this administration.
Posted by: dgj at April 30, 2010 11:36 AM (g/BUt)
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From an article I read
Blowout Preventers, or ‘BOP’s” as they’re
called, are controlled with redundant systems from the rig. In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit,
and even fail-safe Deadman systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them
were aparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface.
Posted by: dgj at April 30, 2010 11:48 AM (g/BUt)
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The cause of the blowout is easily explained. The rig was owned and operated by BPS. Look them up. They have one of the worst records of any company. One factor may be that they are run by the British government.
Posted by: David at April 30, 2010 12:12 PM (VfLqK)
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Didn't Hugo Chavez & Iran announce some joint exercises w/ revolutionary guard (qods) forces to happen in Venezuala a while back? Coincidence?
Posted by: gbb at April 30, 2010 12:30 PM (l9/w9)
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Obama juse dosnt want the investgation comeing back to him.after all if Bush was responable for the leaves in new orlines isnt it far to blame Obama for the oil spill?
Posted by: Rich at April 30, 2010 12:50 PM (siQqy)
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David, the explanation must not be as simple as you since you missed the fact that the rig was owned by Transocean, a Swiss company.
Posted by: Boss429 at April 30, 2010 01:33 PM (cFGyS)
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boss,
Where did you find the info. The news I have seen says BPS. Regardless, ownership of the rig and who is working it can vary.
Posted by: David at April 30, 2010 02:52 PM (VfLqK)
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Transocean Ltd., which operated the rig on lease from BP, has said Halliburton Co. had finished cementing the 18,000-foot well shortly before the explosion. BP has said while it assumes responsibility for the incident, the company is still waiting for an investigation to show Transocean's role in the matter.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/30/examined-gulf-oil-spill/
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Thanks dgj,
In addition, the blow out preventer was from Cameron, which is out of Houston. Don't know anything about them, but suspect they are now close the end of their business cycle.
Posted by: David at April 30, 2010 03:25 PM (VfLqK)
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Insty had a follow up on this: apparently "swat team" was originally in quotes, and was meant to be synonymous with "rapid response team". The moron reporter apparently dropped the quotes.
Posted by: SDN at April 30, 2010 04:54 PM (oKuKu)
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I am guessing that officials have already interviewed crewmembers and decided that from the blow out preventer failure and what they were told, that the feds think there might be something else going on.
Better safe than sorry.
And oh wait. The price of gas this summer I think might go up, because of the hold put on drilling in the gulf now.
Something there to think about.
Posted by: Ron at April 30, 2010 06:21 PM (JQoIB)
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Just talked with some folks down in Houston. They sent down submarine robots to check on the BOP and tried to turn it via manual control. Couldnt get it to block in. They are trying to put what is essentially an inverted funnel over the top of the oil stream. This would force the oil up into a spout with a hose or pipe which could then be pumped up to the surface. And this is all being done in 5000 feet of water. The BOP sits on the ocean floor on top of the drill pipe and casing. That pipe and casing could be up to 30 inches across. The BOP is a large steel set flanges and valves that is designed to sense and start shutting down and prevent these situations. Usually automatic AND or manually operated. It also depends on how much of the riser pipe is still attached to the BOP on the bottom. It goes all the way up to where the platform sat on the surface, but has now sunk. So the 5000 feet of pipe could be wrapped in all kinds of knots on the bottom or semi sunk now. They need to work on the BOP I'm guessing. Otherwise they will have to drill in from the side and try to plug it.
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Oh, and where exactly would these "swat" folks go. There is no "there" there now. It sunk.
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Thanks SDN
I was doubting that it was really SWAT. Like most all deepwater drilling rigs, the Horizon was in international waters and SWAT has no jurisdiction.
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Mr. Bill
It may be merely rumor, but I heard that the riser is still attached and bent over from BOP to rig. Oil leaking from the rig end and another spot somewhere in the middle.
Posted by: BigLou at April 30, 2010 09:29 PM (/jZWo)
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Maybe their actually sending bomb experts to look for and defuse any they might find. If they suspect sabotage, that is.
Posted by: MikeM at April 30, 2010 10:03 PM (n8jTy)
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I meant "they're" not "their". (Shouldn't do this just before bed time.)
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I found a good link about the ROV attempts, with very knowledgeable comments posted on flickr.
It won't let me post the link, but do a search for the following and it should come up.
ROV attempting to activate Deepwater Horizon Blowout Preventer
Posted by: BigLou at April 30, 2010 10:08 PM (/jZWo)
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It may be this type of SWOT team. It stands for Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats. Its a kind of quality and Root Cause Analysis type of thing.
Posted by: mrbill at April 30, 2010 10:20 PM (rEgvK)
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There are always two things to consider in most issues on the planet. #1 is: Who makes the money?
#2 is: Who stands to benefit the most? With this oil rig issue the money thing is rather complicated, but #2 is easy. They who benefit the most are your ANTI-BIG OIL & ANTI-OFF SHORE DRILLING. Thus, the Obama administration, environmental wacos and the anti drilling/capitalism crowd have a huge victory and "see I told you so" with the destruction of the rig and the huge oil spill and it's after effects. Pay attention to these two and don't let the President of Misdirection fool you - this event falls right in his far left lap!!!!
Posted by: mixitup at April 30, 2010 11:29 PM (mVt3A)
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I was reading this too, but seemed like there was missing information. Thus was thinking the same thing, is this terrorism. If so, why not admit it, unless it doesn't fit the narative of right wing terrorist, but from the left.
But who knows, could just be a tragic accident, and a government that is over reacting to it.
Posted by: Micheal at May 01, 2010 09:45 AM (PU7e+)
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I might add that SWAT is the name of a cleaning service.
Posted by: David at May 01, 2010 10:22 AM (VfLqK)
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Everyone knows progressives don't send "swat teams" to a catastrophe like this; you send attorneys and bureaucrats to shift the blame away from the inept governmental hierarchy.
Swat teams are a biopolitical force that are reserved for intimidating dissenters to State power, like middle class taxpayers, senior citizens, bloggers and other dangerous subversives subject to surveillance.
Posted by: Hatless Hessian at May 01, 2010 11:17 AM (7r7wy)
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I've got no particular reason to believe this isn't just an accident. But, I do have to admit that this would be an exceptionally profitable criminal or terrorist scheme.
Buy lots of puts on BP and their contractors' stocks.
Do the deed
Profit when the stock crashes in price (over 32 billion I believe in market cap has been lost so far).
So it's kind of hard to rule ANYTHING out, as a motive is really easy to supply.
Posted by: David at May 01, 2010 01:59 PM (GEbvF)
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David,
Maybe I picked the wrong article to comment from. The rig is owned and operated by Transocean Ltd. They were drilling on a lease that BP has.
Like I said earlier, I wouldn't put this past environmentalist. While no proof is out there yet, I just have to wonder about the recent explosion of the coal mine in WV. Two industries attacked by this administration and it's base...
Posted by: dgj at May 01, 2010 02:38 PM (kNev5)
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My first thought upon hearing the news? Sabotage. Obama makes his grand announcement "allowing" offshore drilling and we have a major oil rig explosion and spill. Enviornmental terrorists will stop at nothing to prove a point. Torching ski lifts, driving spikes into trees to injure and maim loggers, etc. To them, the end always justifies the means. They are a truely radical group and it wouldn't suprise me one bit if a connection is found.
Posted by: Pierre at May 01, 2010 04:14 PM (sFVMH)
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I read somewhere that the SWAT Teams are actually inspectors checking the oil riggs to ensure they have the right flow stoppage equipment.
Posted by: davod at May 01, 2010 05:14 PM (GUZAT)
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I'm not quite ready to jump on any sabotage/conspiracy bandwagons. But I do think it worth noting that Obama is perfectly willing to support some offshore drilling...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html
Let the dot connecting commence!
Posted by: ThomasD at May 01, 2010 05:19 PM (21H5U)
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I heard that Obama once again misspoke. The "SWAT" he meant was inspectors to other rigs to make sure they are all screwed up.
That said, the system failed somewhere and it would not be outside the possibility that it had a little help. Maybe a little "nudge" from ELF?
Posted by: archer52 at May 01, 2010 07:12 PM (5cvPW)
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Dozens of years without a significant offshore platform incident or spill, and all of the sudden there's a problem within days of a policy announcement on offshore drilling?
No coincidence?
Sure, and I believe in the Easter Bunny too.
Posted by: Junk Science Skeptic at May 01, 2010 09:47 PM (Fnr44)
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Water doesn't melt steel.
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Let me see if I understand this logic.
The pro-criminal immigrant lobby is crying that Arizona's self-defense immigration law is the equivalent of Nazi Germany and other totalitarian states requiring people to carry onerous documentation everywhere they go, drudging up the ominous imagery of MP40-toting German soldiers demanding, " show us your papers."
The Democratic response?
Something
even more intrusive:
Democratic leaders have proposed requiring every worker in the nation to carry a national identification card with biometric information, such as a fingerprint, within the next six years, according to a draft of the measure...
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“The cardholder’s identity will be verified by matching the biometric identifier stored within the microprocessing chip on the card to the identifier provided by the cardholder that shall be read by the scanner used by the employer,” states the Democratic legislative proposal.
The American Civil Liberties Union, a civil liberties defender often aligned with the Democratic Party, wasted no time in blasting the plan.
"Creating a biometric national ID will not only be astronomically expensive, it will usher government into the very center of our lives. Every worker in America will need a government permission slip in order to work. And all of this will come with a new federal bureaucracy — one that combines the worst elements of the DMV and the TSA," said Christopher Calabrese, ACLU legislative counsel.
It sounds crazy, right? Not hardly. You just need to understand their agenda.
The government-loving nanny-state left wing would want more control over the lives of our nation's legal citizens... even as the proposed law would do absolutely
nothing to stop criminal immigrants that work in the underground economy, off the books, as millions of criminal aliens already do.
The simple fact of the matter is that importing as many criminal aliens as possible and converting them into voters is the long-term survival strategy of the Democratic Party, and they will
never champion laws that protect the integrity of our nation's borders or strengthen our national defense if those run counter to the needs of the Party.
The Democratic Party—and I wish to clarify that I mean the progressive left wing that currently runs the Party—are driven entirely by their desire to grow their power and exert control over this nation's citizens through intrusive government, and are quite content to use invaders who are not citizens as pawns in that game.
This latest stunt is just one more example of their strategy, and another reason the left wing must be destroyed to restore this nation to the land of opportunity our Founders intended.
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But when the Democrats do it, it's for your own good, you racist!!! Sorry about that, couldn't resist. Remember: Dissent is Racist!!
Posted by: TimothyJ at April 30, 2010 10:17 AM (IKKIf)
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Well, see, asking someone to prove they are a citizen is unConstitutional if they are NOT citizens but perfectly OK if they ARE citizens.
That makes sense, right? Isn't that the way it has always been anyway? I mean, no country anywhere has ever required non-citizens within their borders to carry visas or such, and everywhere police stop people just to make sure that if they are citizens they have papers to prove it, yes?
"But you need ID to rent a hotel room!" Maybe. Which is a decision of the hotel, not a legal requirement. Yes, I need ID, by law, to drive a motorized vehicle on public roadways and to purchase alcohol. But I do NOT have to have ID on me to walk to the store and buy a gallon of milk.
Posted by: John A at April 30, 2010 11:10 AM (LEb+F)
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Some major distinctions. The proposed national ID would be required to get a job, NOT for the privilege of walking the streets. If you can control employment of illegals, you dry up the immigration.
So no, this is NOT another version of "show us your papers"...except at the time of hiring. The bill states that the card will NOT be used for any purpose other than to verify immigration status.
So you are not deputizing every law enforcement officer in the country as ICE, which ought to take the strain off of local LEO and keep us OUT of police state mode.
Posted by: anselm at April 30, 2010 11:30 AM (6F76P)
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Well, I'm a little confused. The Democrats are for a national ID which would basically be a 'right to work' ID which would severely limit illegal immigration because it would dry up the jobs? The DEMOCRATS?
Posted by: Kat at April 30, 2010 12:08 PM (H0eO1)
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This sounds rather Biblical. I remember reading that you will need a mark to participate in commerce.
Next, the underground economy, using cash, will expand prompting the government to outlaw cash and require you to link your bank account with your national ID card, as a debit card.
Yet, they can't require ID cards to vote...go figure.
Posted by: gruntle at April 30, 2010 12:32 PM (zw8QA)
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Not a Dumocrat thank you, but I wish these morons, and everyone else would remember that since the 1940s it is a FEDERAL LAW that if you are a legal immigrant/resident you have to carry your work visa or green card AT ALL TIMES. So what do the Dumocrats have to say to that... *crickets*
Posted by: Steele at April 30, 2010 12:33 PM (kYNRV)
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Isn't it disingenuous to equate the Arizona law with this proposal? As anselm notes above, the card can only be asked for when applying for a job, which makes it just a slight step above a Social Security card now, except that Social Security cards can be forged, or you can just give out a number that may or may not be yours.
In fact, the language in the document the Democrats released makes it explicitly clear that no one can be asked for the card UNLESS they are applying for a job:
It would be "unlawful for any person, corporation; organization local, state, or federal law enforcement officer; local or state government; or any other entity to require or even ask an individual cardholder to produce their social security card for any purpose other than electronic verification of employment eligibility and verification of identity for Social Security Administration purposes."
So I guess I answered my own question. Is it disingenuous to link this card with the Arizona law? Yes, it is. Very.
Posted by: Paul at April 30, 2010 02:17 PM (DYPZC)
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Isn't the Evil Party the ones that threw a hissy fit over asking people to display proof of identification in order to vote?
Just a little MORE hypocrisy from the Left.......
Posted by: Mark at April 30, 2010 07:14 PM (AuJXd)
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The national ID card is just another way to track everything you do, buy, and possess. Information is knowledge and knowledge is POWER!
How does this apply to you personally? Try guns and healthcare. In the leftist world you are under single payer, you also have to show and have recorded on your card that you own, or purchased a gun and then if you already own one off the books, your ammo buying is recorded. So? Well you will have to at some point apply for healthcare. Here is how it will go. "Well Mr Yankee, I can see you want government health insurance, good choice. Let me have your card. Oh, my.. when I swiped it the records show you own a gun. Now, Mr. Yankee, far be it for me to say you can't. It is your right. HOWEVER, this is tax payer funded insurance and we all know how dangerous guns can be in the home. So yes we can give you insurance you will have to pay an extra premium because of the risk. It would not be fair for the rest of the people to pay for your bad choices, now would it? Of course, if you got rid of that nasty thing we could move right along, couldn't we?"
Resist this. It is also why I had some issues with the Arizona law as it gives the liberals one more reason to argue "Well, if it is good for them, why not all of us?"
Posted by: archer52 at May 01, 2010 07:38 PM (5cvPW)
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The other day I tried to borrow "Rules for Radicals" from the library. The public library, for God's sake!
Some Nazi at the desk asked me for a card.
Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2010 07:17 AM (UMJIq)
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I suggest that every legal resident of Arizona carry a gun in that state; even the illegals could carry a gun just to stand as a check against over-reaching government officials. They can do that there, can't they.
Posted by: Steve Schwab at May 03, 2010 07:30 AM (5h8aJ)
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I - a US Citizen, born and raised in Boston (home of Obama's illegal aunt) was traveling south on I93 in northern New Hampshire about 16 years ago when I was stopped by an INS patrol. The agent asked me where I was born. I told him. He asked me where I lived. I told him. He asked to see my driver's license. I showed him. He thanked me and I was on my way in about 5 minutes. Should I feel violated? Should I have started screaming about my rights being violated - called the ACLU or Al Sharpton? No - I had a valid right to be where I was and I was able to back up my identity with "papers." To tell you the truth, I felt more violated when I went to vote once and was not allowed to because someone else had already done so using my name. They can't ask for an ID - it's against the law! WOW does this country have it's priorities screwed up. I have no problem showing papers proving who I am - I got nothing to hide! I'm here LEGALLY!
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So, What Is Jaleel White Doing These Days?
He'd be perfect for the lead.
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Obama Shows His Marx
Via Hot Air comes Mark Levin, catching Barack Obama going off-teleprompter for a moment and letting his socialism slip out:
We're not, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy.
Previous leaders of our Republic have proudly boasted of this nation as a land where anyone can grow up to be anything they aspire to be with hard work and determination. Barack Obama is the first to attempt to saddle that dream and denounce that aspiration, saying "no, you've had enough."
What an arrogant, anti-American bastard we have saddled ourselves with as President.
And what shallow, easily-led fools were are for putting him there.
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I have been waiting for this and knew it was coming. Now, lets carry to message to all sectors of our economy. Why is an actor allowed to make millions for a movie? Why are producers allowed to make millions for a movie? These people don't put in near the amount of work that I do daily. Yet my salary and benefits are limited by the government and have been since the 80's. What about Bill Gates and Buffet. These men have billions. Lets allow them $5 million. That is enough for anyone to live on. We can then take the rest and pay down the deficit or create and new social program. After all, these people pushed for the election of The One. They can now be expected to pay their share and share the restrictions that many of us have had to endure for decades.
Posted by: David at April 29, 2010 02:23 PM (VfLqK)
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O sez of money: "you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service."
He says that's the American way. And nowhere has he pursued any policy whose aim is to reduce what people can earn. Pursuing policies whose aim is to stop banks from deliberately selling "shitty" products (Goldman Sach's word, not mine) is not about reducing people's ability to earn, any more than putting locks on your doors is about reducing thieves' ability to earn.
I know you guys are constantly on the lookout for the secret socialist code words that reveal the upcoming totalitarian takeover plan. But you gotta do better than this.
Posted by: beet at April 29, 2010 02:43 PM (aklb4)
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We certainly know that if you exceed the level of "made enough money", you can and will be labelled as a "Fat Cat" and will be brought before Congress for a grilling. You must then justify your pay and compensation to Congress otherwise they will pass regulatory laws to make sure that you don't exceed their whim of how much is appropriate for you to be making.
You must prove to Congress that you "are providing a good product or good service" in order to continue to make money. Even if they agree with you, they will see your additional earnings as an additional revenue source and increase your taxes because a.)you can afford it, and b.) you should give more back to society.
If you disagree with them, you will be labelled as the greedy rich who are trying to avoid paying your fair share.
This is not the America my ancestors put together over seven generations ago.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at April 29, 2010 03:53 PM (FJRFk)
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I am sure that Milton Friedman said something which flat-out smacks down Dim Won Obama. Even better would be YouTube.
Posted by: DavidL at April 29, 2010 06:22 PM (uMia6)
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Don't blame me. I didn't vote for him.
Posted by: Don, the Rebel without a Blog at April 29, 2010 10:22 PM (tMryG)
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Beet, Goldman sold a bet on the market to a big German bank and to a big insurance company.
Those folks bet the subprime market would stay up. They also sold a bet the other way to a taker who thought the market would go down.
It is no different than letting people go to a bookie and make bets on the Chicago Cubs--now that's a "shitty" bet. Grow up. The players in this game did not show up on Wall Street and Broad in a sugar beet truck. But you of course probably go buy a ticket in your state lottery each week; now there's a truly "shitty" bet. You've got about the same odds of winning if you don't buy a ticket as the odds you have if you do buy a ticket.
Posted by: Mike at April 29, 2010 10:47 PM (ktYjH)
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beet,
GS did absolutlely nothing to bring about the world monetary collaspe. Sure they sold "shitty" stuff and I have bought "shitty" stuff, well knowing what other brokers thought of it. In a good market that is the stuff you want. It makes more money than the blue chips. The problem is that in a really bad market you loose. But if you can't stand the heat, don't get in the fire.
The monetary collaspe was a joint venture of Franks, Bush, Clinton and a few other beg wig Democrats as well as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The current banks were called in when things got bad to try and use them to shore up the system. They did the job and now are the scape goat for the government. After all, you would never implicate the government policy as causeing such a problem. The current focus on Wall Street is smoke and mirrors.
Posted by: David at April 30, 2010 09:56 AM (VfLqK)
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This man has already exceeded his limit on income. Why don't we take all his future earnings and give them to me? Oh. I forgot. After his one term there is not a person of any intelligence who would hire him to manage anything. I wouldn't let him carry a tune in a bucket. He should just give up all the income he recieved last year (I can't say earned). I understand it was in the millions. What a two-face.
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Open Carry Advocates Are The Shooting Community's Second-Worst Enemy
We can count on gun control advocates to tell lies and twist truths in an effort to demonize gun owners, but most citizens realize the mindless zealotry and distortions up, front, and so pay these groups little mind.
Far worse for gun owners are those in our midst that confuse their right to bear arms with their imagined right to shove them in your face... metaphorically speaking, of course. While guns rights seem to be gaining ground across the nation, the confrontational, combative nature of some open carry advocates is detrimental to all gun owners, a fact many readers don't seem to agree with in my
latest article at Pajamas Media.
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I am sure the right to bear arms will do us a lot of good when the arms in question are home, locked up in a safe, and we are carjacked. This is why I quit reading PJM about a year and a half ago.
Posted by: TimothyJ at April 29, 2010 01:06 PM (IKKIf)
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You obviously didn't understand the article, or the comments.
The open carry demonstrations cited in the article both instances made the attendees look like extremists. Several of the individuals at each event are proven extremists or publicity seekers( which I chose not to delve into in the article), and they optics they created at these events (taking firearms to a political speech; creating an event that was nothing more or less than a thinly-veiled threat) is bad for the shooting community at large.
Further, I said nothing at all about leaving firearms at home, locked up in a safe. You made that assumption all on your own, and it was the wrong one.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 29, 2010 01:21 PM (gAi9Z)
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What I got from the article is you don't like open carry, for a variety of reasons, some valid, some explicitly buying into the liberal media take.
You also said in the comment thread, "As a practical matter, the primary reason I can think of is that it makes them the first target of any criminal."
That only happens if the number of folks who are open-carrying is arbitrarily low. Imagine a situation where some appreciable fraction is open-carrying. Is that likely to be a criminal target? Of course not. In fact, given three possible scenarios, if both open and concealed carry is allowed:
1. No person at the potential criminal target is openly armed. Some might be concealed-carrying.
2. A low number of people at the potential criminal target are openly armed. Some might be concealed-carrying.
3. A larger number of people at the potential criminal target are openly armed. Some might be concealed-carrying.
Which of these 3 situations is the criminal more likely to target? Of course it would be 1, and 2 more likely than 3.
Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2010 04:03 PM (RZhcI)
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Friends, let's come to an agreement. Can we agree that guns are really good for solving the problem of those damned deer that keep eating my cucumber and pea plants, and the 'coons that punch their paws into my watermelons to eat, like, one single bite before moving on to kill the next melon?
Let's dwell on the good things about guns and how they help ME instead of worrying about other people. That's what's important. To me at least.

Posted by: Kevin at April 29, 2010 05:21 PM (LQ3SI)
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I can see Bob's point about open carry for no other purpose than to be in your face. Let's look at gay rights for a moment. I think they should have the same rights to do to each other that the rest of do but I don't want to see them tounging each other any more than I want to see straights tounging each other in public. Is it legal? Sure but not very pleasant. It's the same with guns. Only uniformed police carry their firearms openly displayed. All other cops carry theirs concealed. Even in the gun totin Old West towns passed laws that forbade guns in certain venues. One obviously was a saloon. So I don't get it when some people have to take every thing to the absolute extreme and make the rest of us uncomfortable in public. Would you like to take your family to a Little League game with AR15 carrying spectators sitting all around you?
Posted by: inspectorudy at April 29, 2010 05:34 PM (Vo1wX)
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As a matter of fact, there is VERY little need for immediately-accessible personal defense weapons for the vast majority of US citizens.
While the NRA runs what...a dozen?....instances/month of some good citizen preventing a crime (or several) with a personal defense weapon, that number is very small in comparison to the population as a whole.
I've had a weapon nearby for about 10 years, and have driven through some damn seedy areas, in some cases, parking and walking to/from a business appointment. No problems. I also use common sense and am not wandering around a drug-crime area in the middle of the night.
Anyhoo.......your take on these folks is correct. They are showboats and are not a credit to responsible gun owners.
Probably another commie plot.
Posted by: dad29 at April 29, 2010 08:15 PM (6nQNP)
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In other words, CY, don't do anything to make liberals call us nasty names. Might as well shut down the blog. Or join Charles Johnson.
They are never going to leave us alone. The sooner Americans (as opposed to Copperheads) recognize that fact, the better. Appeasement NEVER works.
Posted by: SDN at April 30, 2010 01:12 AM (oKuKu)
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Ah, yes. The "good" gunowner who is quiet, demure, and no one knows is a gun owner, versus the "bad" gunowner who isn't willing to lie down and pretend that it isn't their right that being infringed upon.
Isn't nice to know our rights are all dependent upon someone's PR campaign concepts of "playing nice"?
I just don't see Open Carry as being particularly provocative. Which pretty much undermines your argument in my eyes.
Posted by: ruralcounsel at April 30, 2010 07:24 AM (JSFt7)
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I actually agree with you, at least half way.
I think gun owners should give a lot of thought to the PR aspects of open carry. I am a poster and reader of the OpenCarry.org forum and I recently posted just such concerns there. Of course there are some who think they should go literally everywhere with a gun strapped on. I think your right that such thinking will repel the typical non gun person and scare hell out of many.
On the other hand, a recent attempt to pass an ordinance against open carry in Topeka failed due to strong public resistence to the idea of banning open carry.
I think open carry is a right best used with discretion and sagacity. In my Kansas City suburban town we enjoy the right to open carry but if I were to start packing when I went to the HyVee grocery store I am confident that Mission would soon react by banning it. By using discretion, if the NEED ever arises to start open carrying, it will be there to keep my gun from being confiscated and me arrested.
Posted by: Gary Foster at April 30, 2010 12:32 PM (GqnnX)
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Most CCW permit holders would rather remain unnoticed and unknown to any bad person that they may encounter. When you go to the store are you ready for someone to grab your weapon when you have two bags of groceries in your hands? Are you alert like someone who is paid to be alert for their 8 hour shift? What do you accomplish by wearing openly the arm you think you may need someday? Read the piece in the Friday's WSJ about open carry. It's by a woman but she is right.
Posted by: inspectorudy at April 30, 2010 06:50 PM (Vo1wX)
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Provacative a few years ago was openly being black in an all "all white" business. There was nothing wrong, except the enemies of freedom created a public stigma, making something normal (a man having lunch at the lunch counter, or riding in the front of a bus) into something provocative. Saying that a man having lunch in a certain place was 'provacative' - revealed much about the inner thoughts and fears of the accusers.
Today, enemies of freedom go after guns. "Don't bring that gun to my lunch counter" or some such. The act is normal, natural thing, acknowledged in the Constitution. Finding it 'provacative' reveals much about the accuser. Saying that a man carrying a gun while he eats lunch in a certain place is 'provacative' - reveals some flaw in the heart and mind of the accuser.
Bearing arms is a natural right. Saying it's provacative reveals much about the thoughts and fears of the accusers.
Posted by: sofa at May 01, 2010 02:33 PM (2jilc)
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CY
I read your editorial, and while I agree about the counterproductive results of the public demonstrations you describe, conflation of those demonstrations with the situation inside California is wrong.
In California open carry is already illegal. The anti-gun laws of California are so bad that carry of a loaded weapon, concealed or unconcealed, is illegal for the general public, with only rare exceptions. So the open carry events in California are of unloaded weapons. Unloaded! But even that ticks off the anti-gun politicians so much that even unloaded carry is now targeted for extermination via assembly bill 1934.
California is a 'may issue' state; police have wide discretion over who gets a permit to carry a concealed weapon. And, of course, the general practice of most of the police agencies in California is to abuse that discretion. So it is impossible for the overwhelming majority of Californians to get a permit.
Politics are already so toxic in California that improving this situation through legislation is impossible. California is gun-control central, ruled by a supermajority of Democratic Party legislators who are doubly entrenched in office by a partisan gerrymander of election districts.
I don't see how public reaction to open carry of unloaded weapons could make the situation any worse in California than it already is. That's probably why the next objective of the pro-gun litigation offensive after Washington D.C. and Chicago will be California.
In other words, so what if AB-1934 passes into law? It will have no practical effect, since self-defense outside the home with a firearm is already impractical under current California law.
California isn't the bellwether it might have once been. Next door Arizona is going to unlicensed concealed carry despite how anti-gun California has become. So I don't think gun rights in the rest of the nation are in any danger because of events inside California.
It's damned hard to be a gun enthusiast and resident of California. I've witnessed close up how bad things have gotten over the last 21 years, with scant prospects for relief. I would hope that as a previous resident of New York and a current resident of North Carolina that you could show a little empathy for those of us still trapped behind enemy lines.
Open carry of unloaded firearms in California is probably a futile gesture, but not likely counterproductive. And at least it shows the spark of resistance is still alive inside California, that we still have the gumption to fight back against our anti-gun persecutors.
Posted by: Brad at May 03, 2010 05:17 AM (Xk55q)
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There are some States that require people to open carry if they do not have a CHP, or a CWP,etc. So, what some might take for "in your face" are people just following the law.
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Violent, Racist Senator Discovered... Guess Which Party?
Oh, come on... you already know:
It looks like the circus and childish antics are rearing their ugly head once again in Albany.
It started as an angry blow-up, and then it escalated. A state senator with a history of anger management issues says his race-based rant was part of his fight against the "evil of white supremacy."
Brooklyn State Senator Kevin Parker is a well-documented hothead, and on Wednesday he took to the airwaves to unapologetically defend his latest shouting match.
"It's par for the course for what we have to do in Albany – fighting the forces of evil," Senator Parker said.
Parker shockingly identified the "enemies" he's fighting as other senators.
"These long-term, white supremacist, you know, Republican senators," he said.
Don't ask Parker to rationally explain why state senators doing their jobs are white supremacists... he can't give you a rational answer, because there isn't one. The best he can do is claim minority status and perpetual victimhood in an embarrassing display of the intellectual bankruptcy that has paralyzed modern "progressive" thought.
If that wasn't bad enough, consider this wasn't his first temper tantrum. He may soon face jail time because of his violent, childish behavior.
There have been other temper tantrums involving the senator. Last year he was accused of felony assault after doing $1,000 in damage to the car of New York Post photographer William Lopez and smashing his camera after he snapped Parker's picture.
Two years ago, an aide filed charges against Parker, claiming he pushed her during an argument and smashed her glasses. In 2005, Parker was accused of punching a traffic agent in the face. The charges were dropped after parker[sic] agreed to take anger management classes.
Senator Parker is due in court next month on the assault case. Sources tell CBS 2 his attorney is trying to cut a no-jail deal, but the district attorney isn't buying it.
Of course, I'm
probably a racist for pointing this out.
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Parkinson's? More likely "mad-cow" as William Shatner calls it in Boston Legal.
Marianne Matthews
Posted by: Marianne Matthews at April 29, 2010 12:44 PM (Aaj8s)
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Wow. Just Wow. The grievance community should rush right out and re-elect this wonderful model of decorum and probity.
Posted by: TimothyJ at April 29, 2010 01:09 PM (IKKIf)
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The guy is a bully and it sounds like he's an especially violent one at that. Anger management issues? Sounds more like a serious lack of morality issue.
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Dear Leader’s Face
When dear leader says
This is all about race,
We Hope Pffft! , Hope Pfft!,
Right in the dear leader’s face
Not to love dear leader
Is a great disgrace,
So we Hope Pffft! , Hope Pfft!,
Right in the dear leader’s face.
When Herr Gibbels says
We own the world and space,
We Hope Pffft! , Hope Pfft!,
Right in Herr Gibbels’ face
When Herr Biden says
They’ll never bomb this place,
We Hope Pffft! , Hope Pfft!,
Right in Herr Biden ’s face.
Are we not the supermen,
Ayersian-pure supermen.
Ja we is der supermen,
Superduper supermen.
Ist es not ze land so gut,
Would you leave it if you could?
Ja ist not the land is good,
We would leave it if we could.
We bring the world new order,
Hopechange new order.
Everyone of foreign race,
Will love the dear leader’s face,
When we bring to the world dis-order.
When dear leader says:
This is all about race,
We Hope Pffft! , Hope Pfft!,
Right in the dear leader face
Not to love dear leader
Is a great disgrace
So we Hope Pffft! , Hope Pfft!,
Right in the dear leader face.
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In Praise of Profiling
Arizona's law targeting criminal immigration has drawn tremendous amounts of fire for giving law enforcement officers in that state the procedural tools to require citizens prove who they are, and that they are in the country legally, if (and only if) they are stopped for suspected law-breaking.
Criminal immigrants, their support organizations, and various groups that seek to profit from these criminals are trying to claim that the law is illegal and unconstitutional "racial profiling," and that it will unfairly focus law enforcement on minority populations by targeting the criminals that reside in or transit this nation illegally.
Jamelle Bouie provides us with a typical anger-filled example of this
thought pattern:
One of the most objectionable things about Arizona's law is the blatant racial profiling, but that doesn't seem to phase most conservatives. Jonah Goldberg doesn't see a problem with it. George Will doesn’t see a problem with it. Byron York doesn't even understand that it is racial profiling (note to Mr. York: the difference between flashing your ID at the DMV and being asked for your papers is that the latter will only happen if you're brown). There's a straightforward explanation behind this tacit support for racial profiling in Arizona; simply put, conservatives have long been defenders of racial profiling in law enforcement.
You only have to look back five months — after the failed "underpants bombing" — to see conservatives voice their enthusiasm for anything that would give extra scrutiny to brown people. Tom McInerney, a retired Air Force general, proposed that we "be very serious and harsh about the profiling," especially if "you are an 18 to 28-year-old Muslim man," in which case "you should be strip-searched." The National Review's Andy McCarthy endorsed the view of the Wall Street Journal's Bret Stephens, who argued that profiling was necessary given that "suicide bombing is a purely Islamic phenomenon." Even conservative elected officials are willing to voice their enthusiasm for profiling. In an Armed Services Committee hearing on Fort Hood, Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) declared that he "believes in racial and ethnic profiling."
In fact, the conservative enthusiasm for racial profiling goes beyond national security and immigration. Conservatives tend not to see a huge problem with the fact that African-Americans are disproportionately stopped and searched by law enforcement.
There is a simple reason that humankind has used profiling techniques for thousands of years: they work. And there is another unpleasant fact that some would
rather ignore:
This nation has been in a long emotional discussion concerning the use of profiles by law enforcement officers. Unfortunately, this debate has been entitled, "racial profiling." There is a saying in debating, "If you can define the terms, you win the contest." Utilizing the term, "racial profiling," ensures that the debate will be negative in tone and divisive in nature. I propose that instead of inflaming emotions, we take a look at what actually is being done in this area of enforcement. This issue is so important to law enforcement and its efforts to interdict drugs and terrorists that a dispassionate examination is essential.
No government agency or law enforcement association, in their interdiction training, teaches that race is a characteristic of criminals. Not the Drug Enforcement Administration, United States Customs, The International Association of Chiefs of Police or any national police association, period. Officers are taught to look at the individual for characteristics or indicators of criminal activity. These characteristics, when seen in clusters by trained officers, have been recognized as a valid investigative tool by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Those who purport to be shocked that ethnic groups are over represented in the population arrested for certain criminal activities must have been in a prolonged coma. The fact is that ethnic groups control the majority of organized criminal activity in the United States. They also tend to hire as their underlings and couriers others of their same group. Why? Because these are the people they grew up with, feel comfortable around and because it's human nature.
The truth is, if you work criminal interdiction in this country, you will not arrest the same percentages of ethnic groups as represented in the U.S. general population. People may not like it but that is the reality.
Profiling certain groups for certain types of criminal activity is legal, justified, and proven under fire in the justice system.
Jamelle Bouie may not like reality, but reality doesn't change based upon what is convenient or easy, or because the community-based reality would rather not address empirical truths.
It is an unquestioned statistical fact that black males are more likely to be arrested, incarcerated, unwed fathers, school dropouts, and victims of violent crime than any of their peers in any other significant ethnic group not because of some bias against them, but because they drop out of school more frequently, embrace cultural norms that devalue the family structure, fatherhood, emotional maturity, and responsibility, and they commit a disproportionate number of violent crimes (often at the expense of their peer/victims) with weapons that can lead to serious injury or death.
Likewise, because of our geography and sociopolitical dynamics in this hemisphere, is it far more likely that criminal immigrants will be from nations in Central and South America, and therefore, of the native and/or Hispanic ethnicities that dominate those regions. Obviously, ethnicity is not the only criteria that law enforcement officers use in building a profile. They also look for indicators and characteristics that may indicate illegal behavior or criminal affiliation, and it these additional markers that often make the difference between a simple speeding ticket and a more detailed investigation that may lead to criminal arrest.
But to pretend that there is anything wrong, immoral, or unconstitutional in recognizing ethnicity as
part of an overall profile is absurd.
Profiling—think of it as characteristic clustering—has been used and refined around the world for thousands of years, because it is an effective tool that catches criminals and cuts down time wasted interrogating law-abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong.
If one didn't know better, one might think these liberals were champions of criminal behavior. But that couldn't be right. Could it?
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This has gotten to a real stupid stage. The legal immigrants I know do not like the Illegal flow. They have brought in some relatives, like moms and dads, but care for their own families, even buying houses for them. They help them on the path to Citizenship.
The people who violate the law and are here Illegally are the ones that holler the loudest. Of course! They are the low side of society and can't be here legally because they don't believe the law applies to them. Free ride.
If you apply for Citizenship here you are required to learn enough English to pass the entry test. If you are totally Illiterate you don't even get to apply.
Illegals can not understand enough English to even talk to a police officer if apprehended. Ethnic profiling...I call Bull Hocky. You don't understand English at all, You need to provide proof that you belong here.
Every Legal Immigrant I know has at least a drivers license or a TX res ID. This really needs to be re framed as ID profiling. Let's do it.
Posted by: Marc at April 28, 2010 11:20 PM (20fK0)
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Very well said, past time to reclaim our country.
We need a wall and armed guards to keep these illegals out of America. We could close military bases abroad and put those soldiers on our boarders .
Posted by: duncan at April 29, 2010 01:13 AM (lGcPs)
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"Jamelle Bouie may not like reality, but reality doesn't change based upon what is convenient or easy..."
Obviously not the opinion of many Liberals. Their reality seems to come straight off the pages of the New York Times. Possibly the comics page...
Posted by: Georg Felis at April 29, 2010 07:28 AM (i5bRG)
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There are many obvious reasons to despise the old segregationists. However, there are less obvious reasons. Because of the way they used identity and other tests to deny genuine civil rights, it is now virtually impossible to insist on even the most basic identification in civic activities. It is hard to find an activity, from boarding an airliner to renting a motel room in many states, which does not require basic identification. When voting, arguably the most important act of most individuals, is now virtually impossible to verify qualifications. The same is being seen in areas which are points of entry for illegals. Showing you are legal, and a citizen, is something I have done in the SW, and done with pride.
I think we should take a page from Tom Clancy. We should enact exactly Mexico's laws, and treatment, concerning illegals in their country. The problem would solve itself rather quickly.
Tregonsee
Proud son of a naturalized parent.
Posted by: Tregonsee at April 29, 2010 08:18 AM (FUpQx)
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What people fail to realize is the history of illegal immigration into our country. This is not the first time that we have had to deal with the issue. As far as I can tell, the first big amnesty was in the 50's. Then there have been several since under both Republicans and Democrats. The latest effort is the biggest. Each time the government says they will do something different and they don't. I think the anger on the side of the conservatives reflects the fact that we are sick of the way our country is being governed. We have had enough and it is being reflected in our taking a stand to tell Washington this fact. The problem is that Washington does not listen.
The other issue that I have is why are people fighting so to return illegals to Mexico. The only people that stand to financially gain from their being here are the businesses that hire them at significantly reduced wages. So why are the labor unions fighting to keep them here? It would seem to be the opposite. Why are blacks fighting for them? They are taking the jobs that blacks would be able to hold, possibly at higher wages (the only reason I am picking on blacks is that is were the greatest unemployment is and there leaders are in the mix demanding rights for these criminals). Why does the left want these people, they don't seem inclined to vote liberal tickets? So what is in it for the people protesting deportation of illegals?
Posted by: David at April 29, 2010 10:15 AM (VfLqK)
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David - You raise some good points and ask some good questions. The simple answer is: VOTES-VOTES-VOTES. The demos figure they have in their pocket 95% of the black population, 85% of the jewish vote - so if they could control 65% - 75% of the LARGEST growing population in the USA - then they will be in power for ever. Scary plan, but one that NEEDS to be defeated!!!!!
Posted by: mixitup at April 29, 2010 11:48 AM (g+U1o)
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mixitup,
I agree, votes seems to be the motivating concern. But consider this, 70% of Americans back the Arizona plan and want illegals targeted. Also, does Obama really still control the Jewish vote? He has done everything possible to piss them off. As to main stream Hispanics and Blacks, do they really want all these illegals running around? If the Dems are counting on votes, I am willing to bet they have made a mistake.
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I am unsure of this "conservative" word you use. They must be rather horrible people, people who would eat their own children. They should not be allowed in the public square, much less in public service. They should be shut up and locked away if "conservative" means what you say it means.
Posted by: TimothyJ at April 29, 2010 01:12 PM (IKKIf)
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I admit that even though the Arizona law does little more than copy US Code into a State law, I have some concern that it may be quite prroblematical to apply, given that [with some exceptions, such as buying alcohol] US citizens are not required to carry ID: deciding whether lack of ID indicates possible non-citizenship needing further checking, or just normal practice for an individual, can be difficult/
But I am far from as upset as all that. Many laws can be misused: if you are wearing shoes, you are in physical possession of a "deadly weapon" - at least, that is one of the charges that may be brought if you kick someone. Has anyone ever heard of someone being jailed for wearing shoes? Stealing them, perhaps, but merely wearing?
Posted by: John A at April 29, 2010 01:51 PM (LEb+F)
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John A - You are so wrong. Don't know what state you live in, but here you MUST have your drivers license(read:"papers") on you when driving. If you get stopped for speeding with no license you are going to local jail!!!!/0r a nasty ticket at best. Secondly - I would like to see you get on a plane without your ID - good luck!!! Lastly, in my state you can't vote without an ID - they will turn you away, and a utility bill won't cut it!! To bad all states don't have that law - think it might cut down on voter fraud???? hmmmmmmmmm
Posted by: mixitup at April 29, 2010 02:55 PM (Z21cb)
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Please read the laws that are passed by elected officials. Rhetoric will not impact the law. Good day.
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Dingy Harry: Defying My Will is "Un-American"
November can't get here soon enough:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) accused Republicans of being "anti-American" by demanding changes to a Wall Street regulation bill before it's debated openly on the Senate floor.
Speaking to reporters just before the Democrats' third attempt to break a GOP filibuster on the issue, Reid said that Republicans "keep stalling, keep stalling." He charged Republicans with trying to pick apart the bill before it even comes to the floor where both sides could offer amendments and openly debate the measure.
"Even some Democrats would like to offer amendments on this bill," Reid said. "All of this talk from Republicans about wanting to do something about this bill before it gets on the floor is really anti-Senate and anti-American."
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Harry Reid is a "loser and a liar."
Posted by: David L., Lower Alabama at April 28, 2010 12:41 PM (fwEi7)
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And by his actions, Anti American And himself a traitor who lied in his oath of office.
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Reuters Confirms: AZ Law Targeting Illegal Aliens Is Likely to be Very Effective
Granted, that was probably not the intent of this article lamenting the personal concerns of several illegal aliens, but that is nonetheless exactly what they reveal. They interviewed three of these criminals (you do remember that all illegal immigrants are criminal by definition, don't you?). One said he would stay, but try to keep a low profile. Another said he would return home to Mexico. The third said he would leave for another state.
While grossly too small to represent anything approaching a useful sample size, this anecdotal evidence strong suggests that many criminal aliens will leave Arizona as a result of their new law.
If the law survives the legal challenges that are sure to come, it may have the effect of relieving some pressure on overburdened social services, will free up positions for lower-skilled citizens that need work, and presumably lower crime rates as well.
If those hypothetical results turn out to be verifiable facts, how quickly do you think other states will adopt similar measures?
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I almost laughed myself silly when I heard one of the vacuous talking heads on CNN say that the law would “criminalize illegal aliens.” Aren’t they already, by definition, criminals?
Tarheel Repub Out!
Posted by: Tarheel Repub at April 28, 2010 11:20 AM (+LRPE)
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This is an excellent example of States asserting their pre-eminence in local matters over the Federal government. I hope other state legislatures and state attorneys are paying close attention. Expect to see more of this in other areas where the Federal government has exceeded (or failed) its authority.
Posted by: garrettc at April 28, 2010 11:52 AM (DQjJA)
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"The third said he would leave for another state."
This is, I believe, the real reason of the San Francisco and Los Angeles boycotts. They have nothing to do with principles. They are about fear of all those illegal immigrants moving to California.
Posted by: JustMe at April 28, 2010 12:20 PM (UICYs)
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Ya'll come on over to California. The liberals here would love to have you!!!!!
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Who Should You Believe, The Spectator or the Actuary?
The American Spectator claims that the White House and Health and Human Services hid the true cost of Obamacare prior to the vote.
Medicare's Office of the Actuary
denies the report was delayed. Some are attempting to parse the wording of his statement into a non-denial denial, but it seems rather straightforward on first read.
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American Spectator sources inside HHS—and they do appear to be multiple sources—indicate they and the White House has the report well in advance of the report, while the Actuary is claiming they didn't release the report until after the report.
We have a conflicting stories here, both claiming to come from insiders. Who to believe? My answer: both of them.
I think it is probably 100% accurate that the Actuary did not release the final and official report until after the vote.
I think it is also quite possible—actually, probable—that the Actuary was working on their report drafts with the draft versions of the Congressional legislation the entire time, and that HHS and the White House were privy to these late-stage report drafts and knew what the final report would say well in advance of the vote.
The question that a responsible news media needs to ask the Actuary is whether or not they were working on late-stage drafts of their report based upon the Democratic legislation in the weeks before the vote, and whether the White House, Congress and Health and Human Services were aware of those draft reports, and what kind of figures these drafts were suggesting.
The Medicare Actuary's denial in no way clears the Democrats in Congress and the Obama Administration, it merely suggests that they are practiced enough in their duplicity to not be caught red-handed.
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I am curious as to why the report was written.
If someone asked for the report, or it was a requirement of some sort, why the heck didn't wait til they HAD read it before they allowed a vote?
It amounts to the same thing as sitting on it, really, unless the actuary just up and decided to write a report unbidden, that no one was obligated to read.
Posted by: MissTammy at April 27, 2010 09:34 PM (GXLjK)
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As much as I would like to say yes it was hidden to not effect the vote, or no it was not finished before the vote. The point I want to make is this. This bill was passed in a hurry, before it was read, before it was really looked at closely to check for loopholes. We were lied to when we were told that the bill would be cross checked and it would be open and transparent. All the assurances that we were given were fake, and I will remember it in the coming Novembers.
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Supporters of Illegals are Siding with Criminals
What a joke.
Linda Greenhouse and the rest of the shrill Reds at the New York
Times are quite welcome to their own opinions about Arizona's recently passed immigration laws, but they are not entitled to make up their own community-based realities that for all intents and purposes are lies.
Despite her hysterical cry that Arizona is a police state, the simple fact of the matter is that Arizona needs better policing. In case you've been head-down in a cave, you might have heard that there is a full-scale drug war going on just over the border between drug cartels and the Mexican government, and that the gangs are not only financing their war through drugs smuggled across this border the federal government won't defend, but also by kidnapping people inside the United States and holding them for ransom.
Where are the drugs coming across the border?
Where are the kidnappers infiltrating?
Where are they taking hostages?
Where are they running drugs?
The answer to all of these is, of course, Arizona.
I suspect if Linda Greenhouse had her community under constant threat of violence from heavily-armed drug dealers, had to worry about her friends and relatives being snatched off the street for ransom, and had to worry about the potential for facing a hail of gunfire from a skittish human smuggler as a part of her life, then her opinion of Arizona's law would change, and change quickly.
Arizona isn't becoming a police state, it is merely defending itself from becoming a police-less state. Their former governor and current Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, has forsaken them. She has not protected Arizonans or America from the drugs and drug violence raging over the border, and her boss, Barack Obama, does not care either... perhaps content that his own illegal alien aunt lives in Boston, supported by American taxpayers.
Never have I seen such rage and resistance to protecting something as common-sense and fundamental as our nations' territorial integrity and our national sovereignty.
Illegal aliens do not belong here. They are here—see if you can follow—
illegally.
Liberals and radicals are supporting criminal behavior by opposing Arizona's immigration law, which had to be passed because of the shameful actions of the federal government.
There is good news for illegals, though. It looks like they'll be
welcome in San Francisco.
I trust they can find their way across the state border.
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just as a comparison what do you think would happen to an American that entered Mexico illegally?I don't think his civil rights would stand a chance in hell.
Posted by: Rich at April 27, 2010 01:39 PM (siQqy)
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The Democratic politicians want the National Guard posted in Chicago to protect the citizens from law-breaking gang-bangers. Why are they against posting National Guard (or any other law enforcement force)in Arizona to protect the citizens of Arizona?
Posted by: Hangtown Bob at April 27, 2010 02:02 PM (Wi1iI)
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Over at The Corner, Mark Kerkorian notes that Greenhouse, brilliant legal scholar that she is, quotes the WRONG VERSION OF THE STATUTE.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjAxNTMxYTRlZDJkM2YxMWZhOTcyNzU2NWZlMGJlMGI=
Posted by: macy at April 27, 2010 03:01 PM (VnRmA)
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I came here looking for free men to oppose laws that require free citizens to present their papers to the police or face being detained. I cannot believe you're on the side of those passing laws requiring US citizens to have to produce papers on the spot.
I'm stunned. Why are you OK with this? What happens next time, when it's not Latinos, but gun owners? We have to stand up for liberty now, before they pervert our Constitution to the point where it's not them, but us they come looking for.
This is Gestapo Territory when police can demand papers from a citizen who has done nothing wrong. To me, this isn't about illegals, it's about my freedom, and yours. This is the real first shot. First them, then us. First brown skin, then gun owners.
Open your eyes gentlemen. I heard about this site and thought I had found a place where free men would oppose facism. I have to say that I'm shocked. Be very careful what side you choose, free men.
Posted by: JohnJohn at April 27, 2010 04:12 PM (jsQWZ)
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JohnJohn,
Try to temper your disbelief with rational thought, and more importantly, and understanding of what the law is instead of what opponents claim it is.
The law is no where near "Gestopo Territory when police can demand papers from a citizen who has done nothing wrong." The law quite precisely states that officers must perform a legal stop. That means they cannot just randomly pull people over for "looking illegal" and ask for citizenship documentation.
In addition, non-citizens have been required to carry documentation on their persons since the 1940s (and citizens have to carry documentation if they want to drive a motor vehicle, purchase an alcoholic beverage, rent a car, etc...)
I somewhat suspect you are a moby, JohnJohn. There is no parallel between gun owners and illegal aliens. None.
Nice try.
No... actually, it wasn't even that.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 27, 2010 04:26 PM (8uhHq)
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JohNohn, They are investigating a crime. If they have reasonable suspicion the police can keep you on the side of the road and question you, search your car, search your person. They can ask if you have an alibi for last Thursday, but it pisses you off that they can ask if you are here legally?
Posted by: vinnie at April 27, 2010 04:33 PM (Fm32b)
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The facts on the ground show that this is much ado about nothing.
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has already been doing exactly what the "new" law spells out, for several years now. Obambi's inJustice Department has been on Joe's butt for more than a year, and has yet to make a single case of racial profiling stick.
There's a reason the Holder et al can't make anything stick, and it's because the Sheriff's Department doesn't racially profile, because they CAN'T racially profile.
Between the legal aliens, the Natives, the Chicanos, anybody of Mediterranean descent, and the illegals, people with brown skin make up the majority of the population. This ain't Minneapolis or Duluth we're talking about here, get a grip folks!
Posted by: Junk Science Skeptic at April 27, 2010 05:12 PM (Fnr44)
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What's a moby?
I saw the case yesterday of a Latino US Citizen trucker who stopped at a weigh station and was asked for proof of citizenship. He presented a SS card and his drivers license and because he didn't have his birth certificate on him he was handcuffed and taken in until his wife could produce a valid certificate. That happened yesterday. If they can do that to him - a legal citizen - well, we're in trouble.
Our rights don't just go away. They erode. What's the best way to start a ball rolling? Not by attacking the majority, go after a minority, get the precedent on the books....
CY - lots of rational thought here. I teach high school American history and the Constitution. I teach my kids to be protective of their rights. I don't like this - it seems to be slipping something in under the radar. Get people riled up about illegals and they'll say yes to anything. That was paraphrasing Goebbels, I believe.
Now please know, I think we need to deal with illegals. Bush was on the right track but it didn't happen. But a law that erodes rights?
No.... my freedom, real freedom to move about and be left alone by law enforcement, that means too much to me.
Just auditioning your site to see if I've found a home here.....
JJ
Posted by: JohnJohn at April 27, 2010 06:18 PM (jsQWZ)
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JohnJohn...try not to be dumbdumb. We all have to show "papers" every time we have an auto accident, file a tax form, have any out of the ordinary encounter with officialdom within our lawful society. You're setting up straw men here, and we are not falling for it. How much do you really know about Hitler and the Third Reich? I'm 82 years old and I lived in and observed the Second World War, and lost my fiance in it. There is no resemblance between the dictatorship of the Third Reich and a state of the United States of America trying to halt a flood of illegal aliens [now reaching a total of 500,000] coming across its borders. There are already federal laws against our borders being invaded. Arizona is merely enforcing them by its own law, since our Federal government is curiously reluctant to do it.
You might want to do some remedial reading of American history.
Marianne Matthews
Posted by: Marianne Matthews at April 27, 2010 06:24 PM (Aaj8s)
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Having served as a police office for nearly two decades, perhaps I can provide some insight.
(1) The police always engage in profiling, but criminal profiling, not racial profiling. If, for example, an officer is assigned to patrol a district where 90% of the crime is committed by black males between the ages of 16 and 24, they would be an idiot, and likely to rightfully lose their job, if they ignored that salient fact. Officers engage in criminal profiling, using what they know about those most likely to commit crimes and giving those potential criminals special attention. It’s exactly what we pay the police to do.
(2) Contrary to common misperceptions (and not a little purposeful lying), the police don’t just do whatever they want. They must be well educated about and extraordinarily careful about the laws they enforce in particular and the Constitution. If a person’s actions don’t match the elements of a given specific law or laws, no arrest (Yes, I know some cops are incompetent or make mistakes, but we have to hire the police from the human race, so we are somewhat limited).
(3) There are very few police officers relative to the population of any community and they simply don’t have the time to chase after every Hispanic-looking person in sight to check them for immigration status, even if they were so stupid or unprofessional that they wanted to do that.
(4) “Reasonable suspicion” is specifically mentioned in the Arizona law and is a fundamental principal of the Constitution studied and applied by the police every day. It basically means facts or circumstances that leads a reasonable police officer to believe that a crime has happened or is about to happen and a specific person or persons has committed or is about to commit it. With RS, an officer can detain a person for a short period–about 15 minutes or less–to identify the person and see if something illegal is up. They can conduct a pat search, and in some cases even use handcuffs, but they can certainly check for outstanding warrants and immigration status. All of this is long settled law and the Arizona statue does not in any way step outside the lines of this clear area of law, nor even approach the line.
(5) Having read the law today, it’s clear that “racial profiling” is clearly prohibited. The law does not command any action, but merely allows an officer to check immigration status “if practicable” when they are in contact with someone for any lawful reason. Keep in mind that if another citizen can walk up to you and engage you in conversation, so can the police.
(6) The law creates nothing new, merely restating well settled procedures under the Constitution and supporting, not contradicting, Federal law. It imposes no new burden on anyone that is not already either required under state or federal law (carrying a driver’s license or a green card if a guest in the country) and prohibits or makes illegal no conduct that would be otherwise perfectly legal.
The bottom line: If you’re a Hispanic who is going about his business, not obviously breaking the law, and not doing foolish things that would bring you to the direct attention of a police officer, your chances of being stopped and questioned are generally no greater than that of any other person of any color.
Again, the police just don’t have the time to focus on any single crime. Claims of rampant future police harassment and violation of civil rights are race-baiting hogwash.
Posted by: mikemcdaniel at April 27, 2010 07:49 PM (qjRSd)
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Mike,
As a Hispanic (on one side, Irish on the other - how's that for a mix - you should have known my parents) if I am stopped in Arizona - say for rolling through a stop sign - the way things have already broken, I can be cuffed if I don't have my birth certificate on me. It happened yesterday.
My brother is in law enforcement - I know how it's supposed to work and i know how it really does work.
I'm a 3rd generation American, a Marine veteran with a son in the service, a gun owner and hunter, a community volunteer and a Republican. I am an American, but this law makes the color of my skin "reasonable suspicion".
Bottom line: an officer stops me for speeding. I have brown skin. He now has license to ask me about my immigration status. Apparently - as has been shown - my driver's license and social security aren't enough to keep me out of cuffs and a trip to jail until my wife can dig my birth certificate out of the safe.
Any dispute on these facts? If not, does this seem right to do to an American citizen?
I'm finding the people who are saying things like "if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" are all caucasian-looking. You don't know what it's like to be me and to deal with law enforcement when you have brown skin in a bad area.
I'm also finding this site prickly and unwelcoming. Apparently there is a line that I'm not toeing by asking questions and for that I get insulted as dumbdumb, when I guarantee you I know more about the subject than the person who suggested I need remedial training. (Marianne - JohnJohn was a nickname my grandmother gave me - the Irish one. There's too many John's on the Internet so JohnJohn is an easy name to register. SatisfiedSatisfied?)
You don't represent yourself well to newcomers who share a lot of your views.
Posted by: JohnJohn at April 27, 2010 09:07 PM (jsQWZ)
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So, JohnJohn, are you claiming new Arizona's law is responsible for your being cuffed and taken to jail yesterday?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 27, 2010 09:12 PM (8uhHq)
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"I saw the case yesterday of a Latino US Citizen trucker who stopped at a weigh station and was asked for proof of citizenship. He presented a SS card and his drivers license and because he didn't have his birth certificate on him he was handcuffed and taken in until his wife could produce a valid certificate."
Sorry, I gotta call BS on that one. As a CDL holder, this one didn't even pass the smell test.
In the reports, the driver is indirectly quoted as saying he provided his CDL and SS#, only.
First problem is, all CDLs are linked to an SS#, you can't even renew an existing CDL without the actual SS card, so there is no need to carry an SS card, and the scalehouse wouldn't ask for it. If he presented a proper CDL, any discussion of the SS# would be redundant.
Next problem is the following indirect quote, "she had to leave work to drive home and grab other documents like his birth certificate."
Given the previous statement about providing only his CDL and SS#, could that other document "like" a birth certificate be the MEDICAL CERTIFICATE that every CDL driver is required to have on his person when operating any commercial vehicle?
Between the fishy quotes and the one bit of video I found on the web, it would appear that this driver's paperwork problems were compounded by a poor command of the English language. While you may be able to get a car license without knowing a word of English, a service requirement for all CDL operators in the U.S., even lily-white French Canadians, is the ability to effectively communicate in English, no habla = Out Of Service.
The "news" reports of this encounter are one-sided and sketchy at best, so I'm not going to be like JohnJohn and pretend I know all the facts, but the details that were provided have pretty much bent the needle on the BS-o-Meter on this one.
Posted by: Junk Science Skeptic at April 27, 2010 09:54 PM (Fnr44)
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Here lets see if I can help get this law repealed. I support it. No wait.
My dad would say why is it everytime I support something it fails. I don't know but say by to the Arizona law. The answer, is seal the border.
The question is am I playing upon peoples doing the opposite of what I want or not?
Posted by: ron at April 28, 2010 09:12 AM (wmkFI)
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It seems that "JohnJohn" won't take the bait and admit that he is a fraud. While he claims to be partially Hispanic and the victim of an arrest Monday in Arizona, he first referred to Hispanics as "they" and then used the traffic story he lifted from a border stop reported elsewhere as his own.
Oh... and did I mention he's from Scanton, PA?
Buh-bye, moby.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 28, 2010 09:54 AM (gAi9Z)
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There is a real problem here. This new law should not be needed. We have plenty of federal laws that sanction the search for and arrest of people in the US illegally. We have a whole Federal department for that am it used to be standard operating procedure for local police to assist in the process if not to arrest illegals when they break laws and then turn them over to INS for deportation. That is what we used to do. No problems. We used to have the IRS prosecute the people hiring illegals as tax cheates.
Now the White house and DHS have suspended any new INS raids and/or arrests of illegals and local law enforcement have been banned from enforcing these federal laws. Up to and including forcing locally elected sheriff's to not enforce federal immigration laws.
So the Whitehouse and DHS not only refuse but have used their considerable force to prohibit immigration laws from being enforced and at the same time refuse to secure the boards what are the states supposed to do? We have state and local budgets that are being blown-out by the cost of the illegals that we are being forced to provide for.
So now after years of petitioning the federal government to follow the law and do the job we pay them to do they refuse and tell us to shut up and mind our own business. Well Arizona finally put their foot down because of both the financial burden and the out of control crime and passed by all accounts a good law they can enforce to try and solve their problems in their state.
Now the good people of Arizona are being called racist and Nazi's for protecting themselves. I think this is insane and intolerable. I watched California crushed by this and I say God bless you in Arizona for standing up and trying to make a difference! We need other states to step up and do the same.
Another idea is if the feds won't have the IRS enforce the tax codes for the businesses and households that hire illegals then the state tax boards need to step in a start identifying these businesses and households and enforce the local tax codes and impose the maximum fines to recoup the cost of this mess and let the businesses know that we will not tolerate bringing these people into our communities! That illegal maid, nanny, gardener, and those workers in your factories? guess what? we are going to balance our budgets on your crimes! We can go back how many years that you have been breaking the law?
Your want to stop this, this one of the next steps. Lets dismantle all of these drags on our state and local economies.
Just a thought!
Posted by: s4f at April 28, 2010 12:19 PM (u0FmQ)
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I didn't claim to be the victim of an arrest, I was citing a case that was on an AZ news site (Ch 3). And the they.... I don't identify as Hispanic (or Irish), but I certainly look like one and often get tagged as one. So "they"... yeah.... and I am from Scranton (not Scanton). So?
Look, believe what you want. I came here for discussion, not ridicule. I found your site on one where they were ridiculing you as closed-minded bigots. Bigots? Probably not. Closed minded and unwelcoming? Appears so.
And please tell what moby means.
Posted by: JohnJohn at April 28, 2010 04:21 PM (jsQWZ)
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and CY... learn to read. Check out my second post: "I saw the case yesterday of a Latino US Citizen trucker who stopped at a weigh station". Nowhere did I claim it was me.
So while you're encouraging rational thought, I'll encourage reading comprehension lessons.
Posted by: JohnJohn at April 28, 2010 04:23 PM (jsQWZ)
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Dear JohnJohn:
Unwelcoming and closed minded? Not so much. But folks who read this site tend to be pretty demanding of solid evidence. For example, you wrote:
"As a Hispanic (on one side, Irish on the other - how's that for a mix - you should have known my parents) if I am stopped in Arizona - say for rolling through a stop sign - the way things have already broken, I can be cuffed if I don't have my birth certificate on me. It happened yesterday."
These were the first two sentences of your post verbatim. You did not write that you were quoting from another anecdote and an entirely reasonable understanding of your writing would clearly be that you are Hispanic and were arrested in Arizona yesterday because you didn't have a birth certificate.
The anecdote you now say you were repeating is, as stated, completely insufficient grounds for arrest under any known statute, let alone the new Arizona statute which I believe has not yet gone into effect and which does not authorize arrest under the circumstances you have outlined. In fact, the statute does hold that a valid DL is presumed to be proof of citizenship. And you did mention that you were repeating a story in a second post, but only after you were called on that omission in your original post. Therefore, it's not quite fair to complain that you were misunderstood in your initial post.
I cannot, in fact, think of a circumstance where a street cop would need, want or ask to see a birth certificate. As identification for adults (for anyone, really), they are useless, and virtually no one carries one. Anyone presenting a BC as identification to the police would likely make them suspicious.
It might be wise to keep human nature in mind when hearing such tales. Few people will say "the cops stopped me and gave me a ticket and I deserved it. I was speeding." Rather, they'll commonly say, "the cops stopped me for no reason at all and gave me a ticket!" People generally try to make themselves look as good as possible.
I'm sure the police officer in your family would tell you that, based on the circumstances of the story as you've presented it here, it is almost certainly false.
Posted by: mikemcdaniel at April 28, 2010 07:16 PM (qjRSd)
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