Confederate Yankee
June 19, 2006
Dixie Cup
The Raleigh, NC
News & Observer:
Congratulations to the Carolina Hurricanes, winners of the 2006 Stanley Cup!
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Seems odd to me to have the cup down south but the fans seem to get into the sport. Hats off to the Canes.
Posted by: markm at June 20, 2006 05:52 AM (T93rJ)
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Cole's Shoals
Juan Cole, the "scholarship-lite," questionably Arabic-fluent professor passed over for a position by a school that even accepts the Taliban, bitterly attacked White House spokesman Tony Snow for rather innocuous response to question asked by CNN's Wolf Blitzer Sunday:
BLITZER: "Let's talk a little bit about troop withdrawal potentials for the U.S. military, about 130,000 U.S. forces in Iraq right now.
In our most recent CNN poll that came out this week, should the U.S. set a timetable to eventually withdraw troops from Iraq, 53 percent said yes; 41 percent said no.
Senator Dianne Feinstein wrote a piece in the San Francisco Chronicle today. She's going to be on this show, coming up.
She wrote this: "We have now been in Iraq for more than three years. And we believe that the time has come for that phased redeployment to begin. It is also time for the Bush administration to provide a schedule and timetable for the structured downsizing and redeployment of U.S. forces in Iraq."
"Does that make sense?"
SNOW: "The president understands people's impatience — not impatience but how a war can wear on a nation. He understands that. If somebody had taken a poll in the Battle of the Bulge, I dare say people would have said, wow, my goodness, what are we doing here?
But you cannot conduct a war based on polls. And you can't conduct this kind of activity. What you have to do — and the president's been clear about this — is take a look at the conditions on the ground. Let's think for a moment of the alternative.
Snow makes a self-evident point that no reporter thought to question: a major counteroffensive mounted by an enemy that you thought was on the verge of being beaten is—at the very least—a sobering experience, one that requires recalibration and reevaluation before the offensive continues.
Cole, for some reason infuriated with Snow's response, went off on a odd rant that predictably enough,
blamed Bush:
The president of the United States is in some ways the nation's leading public historian. More people hear about American history from him than from virtually any other source, with the possible exception of Hollywood.
It has therefore been dispiriting to witness the falsehoods about American history consistently purveyed by the Bush administration. Bush and his officials have repeatedly made allegations that simply are not true, but they sin most grievously against the muse of Clio with their flat-footed and implausible analogies.
On Sunday, the most prominent among Bush's spokesmen from the ranks of Fox Cable News anchors, Tony Snow, did it again. He compared our current situation in Iraq to the Battle of the Bulge. This battle began in mid-December, 1944, a little over 3 years after the US entered the war. Snow also suggested that the American public was ready to throw in the towel at that point in the war!
Is the only way this tawdry administration can make itself feel good to defame the Greatest Generation? My late uncle used to tell us stories of how he fought at the Battle of the Bulge. Is Tony Snow saying he was a coward? That the Americans back at the homefront were?
Let' examine this outburst for a moment.
While I am certainly limited by having just a normal human circle of friends and acquaintances, I think I can honestly state that
not one of them confuses the White House with the Smithsonian, nor do they think of the President as being "Curator in Chief."
Or, perhaps I merely was too young to have heard and appreciated FDR's fireside chats about the
Punic Wars, where he
boldly proclaimed:
"The only think we have to fear is: HUGE. FREAKING. ELEPHANTS."
Perhaps I missed LBJ's dissertation on the evolution of Peruvian pottery, where he
stated:
"Any jackass can stomp on some greenware, but it takes a good Moche to use a press mold."
…Or perhaps Presidents are more involved in making historic decisions than
mistranslating them. Juan Cole is, once again, on his own in his strange little world.
At no point would it appear
to a rational person that Snow's hypothetical question of "what are we doing here?" could be stretched into a charge of defaming an entire generation. Nor does it seem likely one could reasonably conflate this question into calling for surrender, nor could an intelligent person misunderstand that question to be a statement labeling Cole's uncle (or anyone else) as a coward.
I'm sure Juan Cole has a point.
I'm just not sure that it's worth wading through the barren shoals of his mind to determine just what that point may be.
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While I cannot claim to be a student of anti-war movements, there was a strong isolationist/anti-war movement during WWII until we started shoring up the Soviet Union. Then it went quite dormant. By the Battle of the Bulge, there was more of a national sense of loss (not lost cause, just the loss of lives from the war) than there was a desire to cut-and-run. The nation was weary, but did not turn from its purpose.
Significant to WWII, and missing from the Iraq War, is that we had a declaration of war and a President who spoke to the people about shared sacrifice and the need for victory.
Posted by: Old_dawg at June 19, 2006 03:55 PM (7nc0l)
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I don't know Cole, nor do I care to....But, I would agree that comparing the war in Iraq to WWII is ludicrous. Anyone who believes they are similar is an idiot. Unless you want to state that both sides had guns and bombs and shot at each other.
Posted by: John Travolta at June 19, 2006 05:32 PM (Vtwo9)
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OK, let me get this straight. If we polled Americans during the Battle of the Bulge, and they wanted out, they would be cowards? So basically, Cole is saying we need to stay the course or we'll look like giant pussies. Better stay the course, then.
Posted by: Tim at June 19, 2006 09:31 PM (WiHUE)
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Travolta,
You're rather wide of the mark. Snow is not broadly equating WWII and the war in Iraq. He's using a familiar event showing a seemingly broken enemy suddenly resurgent wearing on public support to drive home the point that you don't make strategic decisions ie determine troop levels on the basis of public perception. Exactly how well do you think he would have gotten the point across with a reference to some skirmish in the Second Punic War? Hell, could half the audience even name the sides in that one? Snow used a relevant example to make one fairly narrow point. The only idiocy consists in trying to stretch the comparison well beyond what Snow clearly intended.
Posted by: niall at June 20, 2006 09:12 AM (sJxVL)
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al Qaeda Kidnapping Plays to the DNC
Via Brietbart:
An umbrella group that includes al-Qaida in Iraq claimed in a Web statement Monday that it had kidnapped two U.S. soldiers reported missing south of Baghdad. There was no immediate confirmation that the statement was credible, although it appeared on a Web site often used by al-Qaida-linked groups.
U.S. officials have said they were trying to confirm whether the missing soldiers were kidnapped.
"Your brothers in the military wing of the Mujahedeen Shura Council kidnapped the two American soldiers near Youssifiya," the group said in a statement posted on an Islamic Web site.
The Web site did not name the soldiers.
The soldiers were reported missing Friday after insurgents attacked a checkpoint. The Defense Department identified the missing men as Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, 23, of Houston, and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker, 25, of Madras, Ore.
The U.S. military said Monday that seven American troops have been wounded, three insurgents have been killed and 34 detained during an intensive search for the soldiers.
Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Iraq, said fighter jets, unmanned aerial vehicles and dive teams had been deployed to find the two men. They went missing Friday during an attack on their checkpoint in the volatile Sunni area south of Baghdad that left one of their comrades dead.
al-Zarqawi's killing and the wildly successful series of raids that followed were crippling both for al Qaeda in Iraq and for the
increasingly panicked voices of anti-war Democrats after Bush's surprise visit to Baghdad. A military or political blow against U.S. forces in Iraq was desperately needed. This kidnapping of two American soliders—and I think it only safe to assume that this was planned as such from the beginning—can only be viewed as a much-needed political success for al Qaeda and its allies.
Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed that American commanders in Iraq didn't anticipate such an attempt and didn't better prepare their men for it. On a micro level, I surprised that the soldiers manning this checkpoint feel for a simple diversionary plan that has been used for thousands of years. It is a classic military tactic to use skirmishers to draw a defensive force away from the location it is guarding so that the now undermanned location can be then assaulted by an enemy force hidden nearby. This may not be the oldest trick in the book, but it certainly comes close.
Now we can anticipate a full-on media campaign by al Qaeda and the Democratic Party to be played out in the mainstream media, hopefully (from their perspective) blunting the impressive gains made against the terrorists in Iraq in the past two weeks.
The media, now having the names of these two soldiers, will begin stalking their families, probing for an image of a tearful wife or mother, hoping for an anti-war or anti-Bush soundbite [note:
already there].
If we are unable to locate and free these two soldiers, it is quite likely that these terrorists will feature the soldiers in a propaganda video, perhaps decapitating them, which will then be released to al Jazeera, Reuters, and the Associated Press. It is perhaps the worst possible outcome, and one we must prepare to face based upon past treatment of prisoners by these terrorists.
In any event, be assured that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Dishonorable John Murtha will use these events as "evidence" of why we must beat a retreat from Iraq.
al Qaeda is no doubt counting on Democrats toutter those very sentiments, and the three leaders of the Defeat Party cited above are almost certain not to disappoint.
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I've already heard liberals blaming the inevitable abuse of these soldiers on OUR not following the Geneva Conventions. Get ready for it. It's coming.
Posted by: Tony B at June 19, 2006 02:50 PM (51ksp)
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Who do you hate more the terrorists or the liberals? I think I hate the libs more cause I have to sit next to them on the bus and listen to them prattle on and on about their treasonous views.
What about y'all? Don't you hate the liberals more?
Posted by: Baptist Belle at June 19, 2006 03:15 PM (H9JPz)
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Baptist, come on. No contest. Headchoppers vs idiots. People who blow up innocents vs people who want to surrender to them. Keep some perspective.
Posted by: Tony B at June 19, 2006 05:23 PM (51ksp)
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What's the difference between a liberal traitor who wants the terrorists to win and a terrorist? They want the same thing, right?
Posted by: Baptist Belle at June 19, 2006 05:49 PM (H9JPz)
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This is what I'm talking about. Y'all don't agree?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/6/13/142235.shtml
Ann Coulter Fights the Good Fight
Philip V. Brennan
Tuesday, June 13, 2006
There's a war on, and I don't mean the one in Iraq. It's been called the KultureKampf - the conflict between the traditional values of our culture and the nihilism of modern liberalism that renders just about everything but religious faith, the sanctity of the womb and patriotism, permissible.
In the last week - since June 6, 2006 (666) when her book "Godless" hit the bookstores, Ann Coulter became the ultimate bete noir of our times - and the target of CoulterKampf - the war to destroy liberalism's most dangerous enemy.
She has been castigated for being "mean," and "cruel" for "crossing the line," for failing to recognize the sacredness of four canonized liberal icons. She's "mean" and "cruel" because she blasphemed women elevated to secular sainthood by the church of liberalism, and "crossed a line" drawn by, and visible only to the liberal media and the dominant left wing of Democrat Party .
Here's what Ann wrote about meanness in her book "Slander," four years ago.
"A central component of liberal hate speech is to make paranoid accusations based on their own neurotic impulses such as calling Republicans angry, hate-filled and mean."
She went on to note that "liberals have compared conservatives to Down's syndrome children, wished them dead of cholesterol-induced heart attacks, malevolently attacked women for their looks, called Clarence Thomas every racist name in the book, repeatedly stated they 'hate' Republicans, and now - in addition - they say Republicans are 'mean'"
Today, it's Ann Coulter who's "mean."
In the 310 pages of her meticulously researched new book, Ann Coulter documents her assertion that liberalism has all the earmarks of a religion, ergo a bizarre one, and carefully deconstructs the dogmas of the church of liberalism. But critics, who one has every reason to believe haven't so much as cracked the pages of "Godless," have focused all their venom on one small segment of a long chapter on liberalism's use of sacred cows made immune from criticism by virtue of some personal suffering to promulgate their slanders and falsehoods.
There seems to be universal agreement among the nation's literati, right and left, that she went too far in her wholly justified attack on the Jersey Girls who cynically parlayed the 9/11 deaths of their husbands into an anti-Bush political cause. In all of the myriad attacks on Ann for zeroing in on these liberal icons, I have yet to read one word that challenges the accuracy of her criticism of these women. It's all about the very fact that she dared to tell the truth about the women and failed to understand that they bear the liberal seal of immunity from attack by virtue of their widowhood.
Now I will grant that the lady is hard-as-nails tough - I once told her she reminded me of Baodicea, fearsome queen of the Iceni who casually butchered a few Roman legions and almost drove the invading Romans out of Britain.
She takes no prisoners, and why should she? She's fighting a war in which every decent clear-thinking American should be an ally because this war is against a foe that would destroy every vestige of everything Americans have always held dear, and everything that has carried this nation to the pinnacle it occupies as history's wealthiest and most powerful nation.
At stake in this war is whether Americans will remain free or end up ground under the heels of the atheistic Marxist elite who are the hierarchy of the church of liberalism whose Vatican is the Democrat Party.
Ann knows it's a war, and she knows what it takes to win a war. She believes in what she's doing despite snide references to her marketing savvy and her ability to sell books by the tens of thousands, allegedly her sole motivation. It's not easy to stand and take the abuse the left hurls at her and she deserves the support and sympathy of the American people she seeks to alert to the dangers they face from the clergy and acolytes of the church of liberalism.
In her book "Slander," Ann exposed the catechism of the church of liberalism as one that includes hatred of Christians, guns, the profit motive, and political speech and an infatuation with abortion," etc.
I'm with her, all the way. As a veteran of the Marine Corps I see her as one of us - the few, the proud, the warriors who go into battle with verve and steely determination to win, even if it involves ... gasp ... being mean to the enemy.
Semper Fi, Ann. So, when do we declare war on the liberals? Isn't that what we are talking about here, or is just talk? Just wondering. If it's a war, we should treat it as such, is all I'm sayin'.
Posted by: Baptist Belle at June 19, 2006 06:01 PM (H9JPz)
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Baptist, Shhh. You're not supposed to talk about that. It's a secret till they give the signal.
Posted by: DJ from Omaha at June 20, 2006 02:14 AM (Vp1bn)
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via e-mail alert, the two missing soldiers have been found dead.
Posted by: markm at June 20, 2006 05:54 AM (T93rJ)
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Nagin Calls for National Guard
Via Fox News:
Mayor Ray Nagin asked the governor Monday to send National Guard troops to patrol his city after a violent weekend in which five teenagers were shot to death.
City leaders convened a special meeting to voice outrage after the killings Saturday in an area near the central business district.
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Nagin asked Gov. Kathleen Blanco to send up to 300 National Guard troops and 60 state police officers to patrol the city. The City Council said it also would consider increasing overtime for police to put more officers on the street.
Upon hearing of the request, Pennsylvania Congressman John Murtha immediately called for the Louisiana National Guard to redeploy to Bangor, Maine.
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That was good... too funny!
Posted by: Chris at June 19, 2006 12:49 PM (5nZ7B)
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Fox News has a side item stating the killings appear to be drug-related. Big surprise.
Posted by: Cindi at June 19, 2006 03:39 PM (asVsU)
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If only we redeployed out of Iraq(like I said)...we would actually have enough forces to properly help out in New Orlean and defend the southern border of the US. Forget saving the $1000 per person per year we spend in Iraq with no end in sight.
Hero Jack
Posted by: Murtha at June 21, 2006 10:51 AM (vrOoK)
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FYI,
GrantMan/Murtha/Centrist has just had his IP banned for “sock-puppeting.” For those of you not familiar with the term, sock-puppeting is the practice of duplicitously posting under multiple screen names. LA Times columnist/blogger Michael Hiltzik recently lost his blog (though not his column) for the same practice, which is roughly defined as "using pseudonyms to bolster his own opinions and belittle those of his detractors."
I do not mind people using anonymous identities or pseudonyms as most posters here do, but I do not condone and will strongly lash out against those who abuse the capability to build strawmen posters who support their views.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at June 21, 2006 11:32 AM (g5Nba)
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June 16, 2006
A Matter of Visibility
Eight-term Louisiana Congressman William Jefferson may have been tossed off the influential Ways and Means Committee behind closed doors by his fellow Democrats, but he didn't go quietly. Jefferson and the Congressional Black Caucus, noting that a white Democrat, West Virginia Congressman Alan Mollohan, has been allowed to keep his seat while under investigation, implied that race may be an issue.
I would find the spectacle of a falling out between the Congressional Black Caucus and the Democratic Party an interesting turn of events as we go into the '06 elections, especially in light of the fact that black conservatives have a fair chance of picking up governorships in Pennsylvania and Ohio and a high-profile U.S. Senate Seat in Maryland. That said, I don't think the different treatment of Jefferson and Mollohan is as much an issue of race as it is one of visibility, and hence, politics.
When it comes right down to it, Alan Mollohan's alleged transgressions fly well below the radar of most people, even many of those of us who are very interested in politics. William Jefferson's circumstances, however, are anything but under the radar.
The public easily latched onto the mental image of foil-wrapped frozen stacks of bribe money found in Jefferson's freezer, and the furor over the raid on his Washington, D.C. offices surpassed even that. Fair or not, William Jefferson has quickly become the image in many people's mind when they think of corrupt politicians, and almost single-handedly killed the “culture of corruption” storyline Democrats wanted to use this fall.
Being a public relations liability for the Democratic Party in an election year has far more to do with his ouster than does the color of his skin.
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"William Jefferson has quickly become the image in many people’s mind when they think of corrupt politicians"
You're using selective memory. Of all the congressional corruption that has come to light recently, Jefferson and Mollohan are the only Dems I know of, and both of them have been sanctioned.
It's not fair to say that the Dems ousted Jefferson and Mollohan for PR -- it was after all the right thing to do, and I'm glad they did it.
Look at the Repubs. Cunninham didn't quit until he pleaded quilty.
Jerry Lewis, R-CA is Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee. He sure looks guilty, yet he's in good standing. There's a defense contractor CEO named Tom Casey who claims the Lewis told him to give Bill Lowery stock options in exchange for Lewis passing on an earmark, and that's only the beginning.
You will be a better citizen of this country if you can let go of the childish notion that one party is god-like and the other is vile and useless. There are good and bad Democrats and Republicans.
Posted by: Cyrus McElderry at June 17, 2006 07:32 AM (DixoE)
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Of all the congressional corruption that has come to light recently, Jefferson and Mollohan are the only Dems I know of...
How quickly the left forgets why Alcee Hasting is a congressman rather than still a Federal judge.
Of course, now he's more careful about his corruption after having been impeached and removed as a judge.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 17, 2006 10:46 AM (LnS+d)
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Purple Avenger -- How quickly the left forgets why Alcee Hasting is a congressman rather than still a Federal judge.
Of course, now he's more careful about his corruption after having been impeached and removed as a judge.
I'm not sure who that is. Okay, there are three crooked Democrats. I don't doubt that there are a lot more. However the Dems are making clear steps to address their corruption, and it's wrong to call it PR.
By the way, Denny Hastert is a crook too. I wonder if they'll ask him to step down? By the way, I don't know much about the site this comes from; if what they say is factually wrong, fine, but don't give me any grief about the site being too liberal or whatever (I'm not a reader, I followed a link to it) without saying how the facts are incorrect. It sure looks damning.
Posted by: Cyrus McElderry at June 17, 2006 10:25 PM (DixoE)
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Dangit the link disappeared on me. Here it is again:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/15/hastert-pictures-of-corruption/
Posted by: Cyrus McElderry at June 17, 2006 10:26 PM (DixoE)
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Mollohan went from about 500,000 to 26 million in four years. What is it that you think the public doesn't understand about this Conbgressman. While I have little use for tyhe BC in this case they may be right.
Posted by: Thomas J. Jackson at June 17, 2006 11:00 PM (A7X8u)
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If you don't know who Alcee Hasting is, then you've been hiding uder a rock for many years.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 17, 2006 11:35 PM (LnS+d)
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Purple Avenger -- you see I'm not defending the Democrats, I'm attacking the Republicans. I can't even keep track of them any more: Frist, DeLay, Hastert, Lewis, Pombo, Ney, Safavian, Abramoff, Cunningham,... it just goes on and on and reaches congressional leadership and above.
I don't follow Florida's 23rd ditrict, but like I said, I'll assume you're right and that Hastings is a crook.
The Dems have made concrete steps to discipline Jefferson. The Republicans did nothing about all the guys above I mentioned. Go on and explain to me how the Dems are behind the corruption in Washington.
Posted by: Cyrus McElderry at June 18, 2006 10:50 AM (DixoE)
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Oh for crying out loud..........they're ALL crooks. If they weren't, they'd have REAL jobs like salesmen, managers, or crack dealers instead of megalomaniacal politicians. Let's get an amendment passed for Congressional term limits NOW and kill this nonsense for good.
Posted by: Thrill at June 18, 2006 05:31 PM (DYb4r)
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The Republicans did nothing about all the guys above I mentioned
Seems to me Cunningham recently checked into the Greybar hotel.
The Dems have made concrete steps to discipline Jefferson.
The man was caught red handed taking 100 large in cash. Concrete steps would be booting him out on his ass.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 18, 2006 06:12 PM (LnS+d)
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PA -- Cunningham quit congress the day he was indicted. His example serves my argument, not yours; he was obviously guilty and the Republican leadership should have leaned on him to quit, but they didn't do anything apparently.
I hope the Dems do lean on Jefferson to quit before he's indicted. I'm glad they stripped him of his committee.
I don't know what the rules are for forcing a congressman out.
Posted by: Cyrus McElderry at June 18, 2006 07:20 PM (DixoE)
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*snicker* You do realize that the words you attach to the linnk become bold, right CY? I loaded your site and 'tossed off' kinda jumped off the page.
I was thinking, "Good Lord, what is Jefferson doing now!"

Posted by: Kevin at June 18, 2006 08:56 PM (+hkUo)
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My favorite line on this: "we judge Rep. Jefferson not by the color of his skin but by the content of his freezer."
Posted by: Foobarista at June 18, 2006 09:45 PM (0IxK6)
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Only one crooked democrat? Not according to documented offenses on NoAgenda.org . Extra edition, Read all about it. LMAO at the dim-wit's attempts to cover up their 'culture of corruption', blame it on the other guy rants. Easy money makes criminal out of a lot of people. Look at the leaders of the largest industries/stock markets in the 90's. Thousand of people who didn't need the money stole money from the investors, and a lot of it (World Com) was hyped by Algore as a good investment. If you're one of the hundreds of thousands that lost your retirement accounts and/or life saving to the 'Slick Willie' era criminals you know first hand how honest(sic) the dim-wits are.
Posted by: Scrapiron at June 19, 2006 11:33 AM (Ffvoi)
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Scrapiron -- I don't understand. I didn't say there was one crooked Dem.
How can you believe there's more Dem corruption now than Repub? That's ludicrous. Hastert, DeLay, Cunningham, Lewis, Ney, Pombo, Safavian, Libby, Abramoff... I can't even keep track, that's just off the top of my head.
I know Jefferson is a crook, and somebody said there's another one named Hastings.
What are you talking about?
Posted by: Cyrus McElderry at June 19, 2006 01:02 PM (DixoE)
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New Docs Link Saddam to Taliban
Despite the shrill cries to the contrary, the Iraqi War is part of the War on Terror, as occasional C.Y. poster Ray Robinson shows with further analysis of newly-translated documents linking Saddam with the Taliban (bold in original):
I am the one who started with this issue, the relation between Taliban and Iraq, and it is our idea. The brothers in Afghanistan are facing the pressure of America, and are struggling against America and aim to have some connections between Afghanistan and Iraq, and it is a good start to establish the relations with Iraq and Libya and our association has taken this responsibility upon her. I already met with Mr. the Vice-President and the previous head of the directorate, may God rest his soul (translator's note: apparently the head of the directorate passed away) and both proposed that Hekmatyar and the Taliban should get to an agreement. I spoke with the Taliban about this issue and they started meeting with delegations from the Islamic Party, and I met Mullah Omar and his reply was positive.
As a party, our stand is that there should be an agreement between the Taliban and the rest of the opposition, Shah Ahmad Massoud and Rabbani. And Mullah Omar said that we are looking towards this and that (not clear) and (not clear) and Ahmad Al Kilani and Jalal Al Din Hakkani do not oppose us. Therefore, Hekmatyar is on the positive way but we are in a war situation and that needs a lot of trust, and there are hurdles to this because he fought us and killed us and he has problems with the opposition in the North and with us. After repeated contacts we will reach an agreement, but in the form of steps. Concerning the relations with Iraq, he said that they are our brothers and Muslims and are facing pressures from America, like us and like Sudan and Libya. And he (Mullah Omar) desires to get closer relations with Iraq and that Iraq may help us in reducing our problems. Now we are facing America and Russia. He requested the possibility of Iraq intervening to build a friendship with Russia since Russia is no more the number one enemy. And we request Iraq's help from a brotherly point of view. They are ready for this matter and they prefer that the relation between Iraq and Taliban be an independent relation from Hekmatyar's relation with the Taliban. We want practical steps concerning this issue and especially the relationship with the Taliban and (not clear, but could be Iraq).
Robinson then supplies analysis of the translation, including this description of the meeting:
So it seems possible the IIS Chief died just prior to this meeting and the Maulana is meeting with the new IIS chief. The new IIS chief would have been Tahir Jalil Habbush al Tikriti, who according to the Multi-National Forces' Iraq Web site as of January, 2006 is still listed as “at large.” Of course, if he has not been captured, it is reasonable to assume he has not been interrogated.
Tahir Jalil Habbush al Tikriti came to public attention in December, 2003 when the Telegraph UK reported Terrorist Behind September 11th Strike was Trained by Saddam.
Details of Atta's visit to the Iraqi capital in the summer of 2001, just weeks before he launched the most devastating terrorist attack in U.S. history, are contained in a top secret memo written to Saddam Hussein, the then Iraqi president, by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.
The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.
In the memo, Habbush reports that Atta "displayed extraordinary effort" and demonstrated his ability to lead the team that would be "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy".
Atta, of course, led the 9/11 attacks.
Saddam to al Tikriti to Atta. A strong link from Iraq to 9/11. Add this to evidence that
Saddam gave money and housing to Abdul Rahman Yasin, the 1993 World Trade Center bomb builder, and I'd say that you're looking at evidence that Saddam was linked to attacks on the World Trade Center not once, but twice.
"Illegal war?"
I think not.
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Atta was in Saudi Arabia and probably learned to read and write there. An attack on Riyuad is in order. He lived in San Diego and trained to fly in Florida. So maybe LA and Miami should be on the list. Clutching at straws, are we?
Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 16, 2006 01:50 PM (eaxjm)
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An attack on Riyuad is in order.
You're right.
He lived in San Diego and trained to fly in Florida. So maybe LA and Miami should be on the list.
Yeah, the U.S. government funds and shelters terrorists. Grasping at straws, indeed.
Posted by: Jordan at June 16, 2006 04:01 PM (pLJN7)
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LA, probably.
Miami? Islamofascist wouldn't stand a chance against the Cubans.
San Diego? Is that still part of the US?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 17, 2006 10:48 AM (LnS+d)
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San diego, I was born and raised there, my cousins still live there so I am sure its STILL AMERICAN. Say, Didn't the Brits have that phony yellow cake memo that Plame was outed over? Around the same time too?
Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 17, 2006 02:00 PM (vUlaD)
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MM:
You are just a wee bit confused on that particular memo. The phony memo was from Italy. amd it was an obvious forgery, but that surfaced in 2002 - after Wilson had returned from sipping tea with folks in Niger. Maybe you should take the time to read through the Report from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligece. You know, the one that reported that Joe Wilson had lied to them on several items, including the inconsistencies between what he told to CIA analysts/debriefers when he returned from Niger and what he wrote in his OP-ED piece in the New York Times in 2003. He told CIA officers during his debriefing that former government officials in Niger had advised him that Iraq had tried to purchase yellow cake from them in 1999.
The information to which Bush referred in those famous 16 words had nothing to do with that earlier phony memo. It was directly from the Brits. Furthermore, the British Butler Commission later supported their earlier assessments long after the 16 words were spoken during the 2003 SOTU address.
You apparently don't read all that much, do you - unless it is something that directly attacks Bush or his administration. You probably have not read the bipartisan study on Intelligence that led up to the Iraq invasion. How about the writings of Hans Blix or David Kay? How about the three-volume Charles Duelfer Report on WMD developments in Iraq? How about the reports of the findings of 500 tons of raw uranium and 2 tons of enriched uranium found at the Iraqi nuclear storage facility and carted off to the US under the watchful eyes of the IAEC? It was reported in the New York Times - although not on page 1. Ya miss that too?
You really need to get out more ....
Posted by: Retired Spy at June 17, 2006 10:20 PM (Xw2ki)
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I loved Mike's comments. They were so gay. Did he get his intelligence from the Brokeback Secrets Academy or just got back briefed by Baghdad Bob. Talking about grasping Mike, watch those hands.
Posted by: Thomas J. Jackson at June 17, 2006 11:06 PM (A7X8u)
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June 15, 2006
John Murtha: Mortal Enemy of Military Justice
Almost a month ago I ripped into ex-Marine John Murtha for unequivocally stating that a unit of Marines had "killed innocent civilians in cold blood" after an IED blast killed a fellow Marine in Haditha, Iraq.
I stated:
First off, it is unconscionable for any legislator to accuse U.S. military personnel of multiple counts of premeditated murder before an investigation into these charges is complete. Prosecutions must proceed at their own logical pace as evidence in the case dictates. Premature accusations by a public figure in such a case imposes an artificial timeline, endangering the accuracy and thoroughness of an investigation.
At the same time, such heated rhetoric as charges of murder of "innocent civilians in cold blood" is prejudicial against the defendants, poisoning public opinion against them. This would be an explosive charge in a civilian court, but to make such charges against members of the U.S. Military when they are engaged in military operations in that country is absolutely fissionable.
An attorney for one of the Haditha Marines apparently agrees, and states that if his client is charged, he will call Murtha
as a witness:
A criminal defense attorney for a Marine under investigation in the Haditha killings says he will call a senior Democratic congressman as a trial witness, if his client is charged, to find out who told the lawmaker that U.S. troops are guilty of cold-blooded murder.
Attorney Neal A. Puckett told The Washington Times that Gen. Michael Hagee, the Marine commandant, briefed Rep. John P. Murtha, Pennsylvania Democrat, on the Nov. 19 killings of 24 Iraqis in the town north of Baghdad. Mr. Murtha later told reporters that the Marines were guilty of killing the civilians in "cold blood." Mr. Murtha said he based his statement on Marine commanders, whom he did not identify.
Mr. Puckett said such public comments from a congressman via senior Marines amount to "unlawful command influence." He said potential Marine jurors could be biased by the knowledge that their commandant, the Corps' top officer, thinks the Haditha Marines are guilty.
"Unlawful command influence." Let that sink in. According to
United States vs. Gore, No. 03-6003, 60 MJ 178 (and summarized
here), unlawful command influence:
- is recognized as the mortal enemy of military justice;
- tends to deprive service members of their constitutional rights;
- if directed against prospective defense witnesses, it transgresses the accused's right to have access to favorable evidence.
John Murtha took the extraordinary step of accusing Marines of a war crime before the investigation was complete, and perhaps has compromised justice in this process entirely. Someone should ask Murtha if his political grandstanding was worth becoming the "mortal enemy of military justice" and jeopardizing the constitutional rights of these Marines. Someone should, but they aren't likely to get an answer. According the author of the
Times article, Murtha's spokesman did not return a call seeking comment.
Apparently too late, ex-Marine John Murtha has finally learned to shut up.
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According to Paul Hackett on the O'Reilly Factor earlier this week, Murtha's office is not responding to him either.
The local lefties here in Minnesota - a definite blue state - have already judged these marines, and we have had some pretty heated exchanges in the local newspaper opinion pages forum.
What a bunch of weasels. You can review some of the exchanges on this subject and others at Echo Press
Posted by: Retired Spy at June 15, 2006 02:06 PM (Xw2ki)
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Everyone concerned about the treatment of the Marines and Sailor alleged to have committed the Haditha 'massacre' and at the pending charges against Cpl. Josh Belile please write your representatives in Congress as well as the Commandant of the Marine Corps expressing your objections. You can get the Commandant's email address at Allahpundit in the article about the above or at HOTAIR (MM's site). Congress.org gives the email addresses of all reps in Congress and is easy to use. If we all express ourselves we can help these brave young warriors.
Posted by: Jim P at June 15, 2006 04:08 PM (bgRAn)
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Too many times "undue command influence" or "unlawful command influence" is a direct result of a congressional inquiry. You cannot believe the hoops the military will jump through for the congress. After all, they hold the purse strings that fund (or don't) the necessary and desired programs of the military. I've seen it too many times.
Murtha being an ex-Marine, and a retired Colonel should be fully aware of the undue pressure his comments would place on the Navy (NCIS) and USMC command chain involved in investigating and potentially prosecuting this incident. There can be but one reason to blatantly disregard the influence his comments would yield - political posturing. What a guy. Semper fi!
Posted by: Old Soldier at June 15, 2006 06:10 PM (owAN1)
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NOW YOU'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE, actually quoting CASE LAW. That has substance and a standing in LAW, as opposed to ranting.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 16, 2006 01:57 PM (eaxjm)
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Who is this Mike Meyer twit? Another Troll from the KOS Kiddies' Summer Camp?
Posted by: Retired Spy at June 16, 2006 03:02 PM (Xw2ki)
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Murtha has tons of contacts in the military, and when he speaks out his is often giving voice to people whose voices are otherwise squelched by the GOP puppets that pass for military brass at present. If Murtha doesn't speak out and put out some kind of pressure for a serious investigation, it won't happen.
Murtha cares about the military more than all the GOP members of Congress, who use it purely to further their political and ideological ends and like to have a few soldiers or Marines on hand for their fundraisers. Sometimes caring means showing tough love, and it's a good thing we have people like Murtha who are willing to stand up to the raving crowd and voice the appropriate constructive criticism.
Posted by: Nate at June 16, 2006 04:34 PM (UlkGh)
Posted by: GOP VOTER at June 17, 2006 03:02 AM (c90Mq)
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Nate,
If Murtha cares for the military more than others, he is definately going about it the wrong way. He is saying the Military can't do it's job, is locked in a quagmire that it can't win (which it is winning), calling men who were on the front line "Cold Blooded Murderers" when he wasn't there, nor was his source. He started calling them that well after the investigations have begun and so far they haven't found out what Murtha has (I wonder who his REAL informant is).
Murtha is a blight to the military, ask some of the Vets that post here.
Posted by: Retired Navy at June 17, 2006 07:48 AM (uPytR)
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a) Murtha is saying we don't belong in a Civil War, nor do should soldiers and Marines be performing an elaborate social engineering project in perhaps the least hospitable place on the planet. The US military was trained to fight, not nation-build. Conservatives used to understand this concept.
b) Murtha's exact quote is that Marines “killed innocent civilians in cold blood”. This is a statement about a specific incident, and doesn't contain any broad characterization of the Marines in question as "murderers". His quote says more about the harsh conditions in Iraq, which most reasonable people see as potentially leading to these types of incidents, than it does about the character of the Marines in question.
c) Given that you don't know who Murtha's source was, how do you know that source wasn't there, or that the source didn't have solid knowledge of what did happen?
a) Given the ideological bent of this website, the Vets that post here probably don't represent the diverse views in the US military. Vets are like the rest of us when it comes to politics.
Posted by: Nate at June 17, 2006 01:22 PM (UlkGh)
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Murtha is saying we don't belong in a Civil War
Then where was his dissent during Clinton's Balkan adventures?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 17, 2006 11:38 PM (LnS+d)
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I can't speak for Murtha, but I presume he would say we don't belong in a civil war that we can do nothing to stop. If we could stop it, that might be a different story. (And for the record, I disagree with Murtha's recommendation that we leave.)
Posted by: Nate at June 18, 2006 12:41 AM (UlkGh)
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but I presume he would say we don't belong in a civil war that we can do nothing to stop
How about civil wars we actively contributed to by removing peace keepers?
Think Rwanda...
Think massacre of hundreds of thousands...
Think Clinton...
But then again, big time body counts tied to democrat blunders don't count.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 18, 2006 06:18 PM (LnS+d)
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I think the isolationsist GOP-led Congress was just as "responsible" for Rwanda as Clinton. I put responsible in quotes because I don't think anyone is to blame for Rwanda. It's not our job to police the world.
Posted by: Nate at June 19, 2006 02:50 AM (UlkGh)
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Nate - Murtha doesn't speak for me or any vets I know. His pre-judging of these Marines, no matter what the exact quote, will prejudice any Courts Martial.
I have 30 years experience in the military and am a decorated retiree, so don't you dare question me! /
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 19, 2006 10:40 AM (3nKvy)
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What does your thirty years of military service have to do with my ability to question you?
Posted by: Nate at June 19, 2006 08:28 PM (UlkGh)
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Times Versus Times
The June 14, 2006 NY Times editorial Detainees in Despair Op-ed by Mourad Benchellali was lapped up unquestioningly by liberal blogs, who used the editorial to decry the evils of the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.
On June 15, 2006, a
NY Times news story states that the Benchellali family was convicted in France of trying to build chemical weapons for attacks on Paris landmarks. Convicted so far are his father, mother, two brothers, and 19 other people.
Does anyone doubt that Mourad would have been in the middle of the French terrorist plot with the rest of his family if he weren't cooling his heels in Gitmo?
I sense a new marketing campaign by the Adminstration:
"Guantanamo Bay: Keeping terrorists out of the prisons they deserve to be in since 2002."
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There's no inconsistency between the two stories. Mourad claims that he was sent to Afghanistan by his brother without ever being told that he was being sent to an Al Qaeda training camp. Now the brother has been convicted of a terrorist plot, which only backs up Mourad's version of events.
Of course Mourad might be lying, but yes, I think there's reasonable doubt that the man would ever have become a terrorist. And I have a big problem with the idea that people can be put into a maximum security prison for years, just because some faceless bureaucrat thinks it's likely that they'll commit a crime at some point in the future.
People should be given the opportunity to make their own moral choices before we pass judgement on them for those choices. And yes, our society will be more dangerous as a result. But some principles are too important to be sacrificed, even to improve our safety.
Posted by: Mat at June 15, 2006 01:20 AM (kVBtr)
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Mat,
I disagree with you. He was already following in the Family business. He went through the training, he didn't just show up and leave. One of the things that the 'Detainee's' are told to do is create public sympathy. He's doing that well. I read his piece and found it extremely hard to swallow, especially knowing his background and knowing his family's involvment in overt acts of violence.
He is being put on trial in France, I hope they get that one right.
Posted by: Retired Navy at June 15, 2006 05:14 AM (JYeBJ)
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"Walks Like A duck." "Quacks like duck." any questions?
Posted by: Faithful Patriot at June 15, 2006 07:02 AM (nFSnk)
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"People should be given the opportunity to make their own moral choices before we pass judgement on them for those choices. And yes, our society will be more dangerous as a result. But some principles are too important to be sacrificed, even to improve our safety."
Mat, suppose your neighbor has publicly said that he wants to kill you, that he considers you to be evil and has a religious duty to wage war against you. He has blown up your car and your garage and one of his kids detonated himself in the presence of two of your kids (killing all). Now that neighbor is coming up your front walk armed with an AR-47 and grenades. Just what are you going to do?
According to your words of wisdom, because the neighbor hasn’t actually killed you yet, he is “free” to attempt (and possibly succeed) murdering you. If you do not see the assininity of that mindset, then you will never understand why the majority of Americans do not want your ideological camp in the majority control of our government.
Posted by: Old Soldier at June 15, 2006 07:06 AM (X2tAw)
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"Just what are you going to do?"
Er, call the cops, perhaps? I mean, what with him having carried out about a dozen or so separate crimes in that list of yours, I think I've got a reasonable case to put him away.
My objection is to putting people in jail for a crime they might commit in the future, but so far haven't. And I'm not even that fundamentalist about this little rule; it's reasonable to have police on hand watching a neo-nazi demonstration, for example, even if no-one participating commits a crime. I'm just saying that jail for years, with no access to lawyers and no appeal, is at least one step too far.
In this case, Mourad is up-front about the fact that he *has* done something wrong: attending an Al Qaeda training camp. He should be prosecuted for what he has done. He should not be punished for something he hasn't.
Posted by: Mat at June 15, 2006 08:15 AM (kVBtr)
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Fine, then he should be locked up for a million years for attending a terrorist training camp.
Posted by: Cindi at June 15, 2006 12:40 PM (asVsU)
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Mat: WE are the cops. The US. Us. We're the cops.
Posted by: basil at June 15, 2006 01:48 PM (4Ek1C)
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Mat,
I appreciate the fact that while you do not agree with the conclusion, you pose your concerns and disagreement in a reasonable and respectful manner. That's more rare than I would like.
Posted by: Lissa at June 15, 2006 05:15 PM (fHdl7)
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Hey Mat,
I got a Bridge for Sale, How bout some Beach Front Property in Kansas??
Sheesh!!
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June 14, 2006
Alberto Pays a Visit
While Glenn Reynolds seems to have sailed through Tropical Storm Alberto without any problems, we're not having it quite as easy here in central North Carolina. The following pictures are pulled from from NCDOT cameras and viewer-submited photos at WRAL-TV.com.
Crabtree Valley Mall in Raleigh is, for understandable reasons, closed...
A closer look of parking near the mall shows that anchoring is more of an issue than parking.
If you want to cross Trinty Road, you'd better be able to part the waters.
A front yard in Cary (the
Containment Area for Relocated Yankees, according to Wikipedia), just south of Raleigh finds itself suddenly overwatered.
With a total of 4-8 inches of rain expected to drop before Albero clears the area, the commute home promises to be entertaining, to say the least.
Aren't we lucky this wasn't a "real storm?"
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The real storm will be tonight at the RBC Center!
Go Hurricanes!
Posted by: Chris at June 14, 2006 03:19 PM (52bcc)
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I left my office in RTP at 5:05 and made it down 55 to Apex by 5:35. One of the best commute days I've ever had.
Maybe everyone else decided to wait 'til later to go home.
Posted by: Russ at June 14, 2006 05:04 PM (utsLN)
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Like I told you on the phone this afternoon. If you are looking for sympathy from this end, you'll have to keep looking.
As the Internet's resident hurricane magnet I'm personally thankful we didn't get hit and it didn't go Category on us.
I know, it sounds cold hearted, but after 5 hurricanes and I forget how many tropical storms...it's hard to feel anything but relief at this point.
Posted by: WB at June 14, 2006 06:42 PM (HXJMF)
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Whaaaaaaaaah! Whaaaaaaaaah! Looks like that water is melting your candy asses! RTP is affluent, so I am sure Georgey Porgey Pudd'en Pie would help you out if it got too bad!
Posted by: Johnny at June 14, 2006 07:18 PM (Vtwo9)
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Your presence is requested on our Wingnut Irony thread, Sir.
Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at June 14, 2006 09:30 PM (FcZzw)
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Thank goodness it was worse.
Posted by: seawitch at June 15, 2006 11:05 AM (DIyHc)
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You got all the rain, we got the tornados. 4 here in Charleston - on a few miles from my house. I agree with alot of others - this was a good practice for the season.
Posted by: scmommy at June 15, 2006 11:25 AM (b3gbN)
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Sometimes You Feel Like A Nut…
...sometimes you don't:
The leaders of the state's Democratic and Republican parties have asked voters not to cast ballots for state Supreme Court candidate Rachel Lea Hunter, whose fiery rhetoric in recent weeks has included comparing the actions of a black congressional candidate to that of a slave.
"She's unstable and unqualified, and the thought of her serving on the highest court in North Carolina is scary," state Republican party chairman Ferrell Blount said Tuesday.
Blount's comments came after Hunter, a former Republican running as a Democrat, used the title "Dur Fuhrer" -- commonly associated with Nazi leader Adolf Hitler -- when referring to state Democratic party chief Jerry Meek.
Hunter's sanity—or lack thereof—might also be indicated by links on her site (to which I refuse to link), to liber-nut-arian Lew Rockwell, presumably some of whose Gary North-oriented readers would stone to death another odd duck /paleocon/libertarian she supports, Justin Raimondo. She also links to a "9/11 was an inside job" conspiracy site, and perhaps not surprisingly, Cindy Sheehan's organization.
I personally have no problem with "Madame Justice" (as she like to call herself) being part of the court system, I just think she belongs on the other side of the bench—perhaps in a competency hearing.
Captain Ed and
Allah have commented on the wannabe Justice as well.
Note: She'll
still probably win in Chapel Hill (motto: "Left of center, right out of our minds").
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BBC Libels Marine Singer/Songwriter
Oh give me a freaking break:
The US marines have launched a probe into a video posted on the Internet that apparently shows a serving marine singing about killing Iraqi civilians.
A spokesman described the video as "clearly inappropriate" and contrary to the standards of the marines.
Posted on the YouTube website, the video shows a man in uniform strumming a guitar while singing about killing Iraqis, as others laugh and cheer.
The marines said they did not know immediately if the film was genuine.
The lyrics caught on video refer to the shooting of Iraqi civilians, especially children.
Let's get a few details straight for this clearly partisan BBC writer Adam Brookes, shall we?
The song in this video (link below)
was not about "killing Iraqi civilians." This is a blatant lie.
A civilian, as defined by the American Heritage Dictionary on
Answers.com is:
A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military, the police, or a belligerent group.
There are
no civilians killed by Marines in this song. This song is about a female Iraqi insurgent attempting to lure a Marine into an ambush carried out by her father and brother, also insurgents, with AK-47 assault rifles. By this definition and any other, including the Geneva Convention, anyone luring a soldier into an ambush, or conducting an ambush, is a belligerent, not a civilian.
The only person that could even remotely be considered a civilian is the sister of the female insurgent, who is killed by her own father and brother as they try to ambush the Marine.
The BCC clearly seeks to leave out the fact that the Marine did not initiate this conflict, and that this Marine acted in self defense after being led into an ambush.
Nor is their any direct reference to children being killed in this song. The song mentioned a "little sister." My wife has a little sister. She turns 30 this year, and has two children of her own. A "little sister" or "little brother" is a relative term, not an indication of age.
Adam Brookes of the BBC is not just being biased with his coverage; he is intentionally obfuscating relevant facts to mask the true nature of the song. Adam Brookes is, in effect, faking news.
We have all the evidence we need right here.
We have the actual
music video courtesy of Little Green Footballs.
We have the
Hadji girl lyrics courtesy of
Blackfive.
I was out in the sands of Iraq
And we were under attack
And I, well, I didn't know where to go.
And the first think I could see was
Everybody's favorite Burger King
So I threw open the door and I hit the floor.
Then suddenly to my surprise
I looked up and I saw her eyes
And I knew it was love at first sight.
And she said
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I can't understand what you're saying.
And she said
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I love you anyway.
Then she said that she wanted me to see.
She wanted me to meet her family
But I, well, I couldn't figure out how to say no.
Cause I don't speak Arabic.
So, she took me down an old dirt trail.
And she pulled up to a side shanty
And she threw open the door and I hit the floor.
Cause her brother and her father shouted
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
They pulled out their AKs so I could see
And they said
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
So I grabbed her little sister and pulled her in front of me.
As the bullets began to fly
The blood sprayed from between her eyes
And then I laughed maniacally
Then I hid behind the TV
And I locked and loaded my M-16
And I blew those little f***ers to eternity.
And I said
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
They should have known they were f***ing with a Marine
Libel is
typically defined as:
Published material meeting three conditions: The material is defamatory either on its face or indirectly; The defamatory statement is about someone who is identifiable to one or more persons; and, The material must be distributed to someone other than the offended party; i.e. published; distinguished from slander.
This BBC article by Adam Brookes is clearly defamatory, accusing the Marine about singing a song about killing civilians, when it was actually about killing insurgents that lured him into an ambush. The article is clearly about a specific, identifiable Marine appearing in this video,
Cpl. Joshua Belile, and attempts to libel the Marine Corps in its entirety by extension. The article has been published, distributed across the Internet and perhaps in print as well. Almost certainly, Adam Brookes and the BBC met teh conditions for libel with this story.
The BBC owes Cpl. Belile a retraction and an apology.
BBC reporter Adam Brookes is a journalistic fraud. He attempted to obfuscate and mischaracterize key elements of a story to create a fictionalized account of the news far more damaging than the facts of the case support. Like Jayson Blair, Stephen Glass, and other frauds before him, Adam Brookes should be fired.
Contact the BBC to let them know what you think.
Not to worry, though.
He can always find a job at
CAIR.
Update: The BBC is already revising the opening paragraphs of this story, which now reads:
The US marines have launched a probe into a video posted on the internet that apparently shows a marine singing about the killing of Iraqi civilians.
A spokesman described the video as "clearly inappropriate" and contrary to the standards of the marines.
The marines said they did not know immediately if the film was genuine.
The lyrics caught on video refer to the shooting of Iraqi civilians, especially children, by insurgents and then how a marine responds, opening fire himself.
Funny how a little myth-busting can lead to new editing skills...
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Chasing up the link you provided, the BBC seems to have removed the bit about "Posted on the YouTube website, the video shows a man in uniform strumming a guitar while singing about killing Iraqis, as others laugh and cheer". Assuming that you're not guilty of libel yourself :-) it seems that they've only just analysed the lyrics.
Now if we look here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/14/army_investigates_singing_squaddy/
...they mention that they go their story from AP. In which case Associated Press are guilty of misrepresentation. Contacting the BBC would just waste everyone's time, and Adam Brookes isn't any more guilty than any other journalist who just paraphrases wire stories, which would be all of them.
Kinda backs up my point on today's other post; if you're going to copy wire stories, it'd be nice if you told us about it, so we can blame the right people if it turns out to be wrong.
Posted by: Mat at June 14, 2006 09:32 AM (kVBtr)
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"Posted on the YouTube website, the video shows a man in uniform strumming a guitar while singing about killing Iraqis, as others laugh and cheer".
I saw the video before it became notorious, via a link on alt.binaries.pictures.military, and this statement is absolutely accruate. Note there's no reference to "civilians" in the quote, but I did think the reference to the "little sister" was provocative, and that it would be only a matter of time before it "hit the fan." The song is a black humor look at the risks these combatants face daily, but really shouldn't have been put on your tube, for obvious PR/PC reasons.
Posted by: Redhand at June 14, 2006 11:48 AM (7G9b2)
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Does anyone have a clue on the meaning of the refrain "durka durka Mohammed Jihad, sherpa sherpa bak Allah. The audience knows and seems to be somewhat amused by the use of those lyrics in the song.
Posted by: Joe_Haskins at June 14, 2006 01:32 PM (DP8Kr)
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durka durka Mohammed Jihad, sherpa sherpa bak Allah is from that Team America movie.
Posted by: John Doe at June 14, 2006 01:46 PM (CFbxd)
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As the son of a WWII Navy vet, can't the Marines have a laugh? I bet Bob Hope would be banned by today's P.C. crowd.
Posted by: Tom TB at June 14, 2006 04:36 PM (y6n8O)
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I just saw the video and thought it was freakin hillarious in the same way George Carlon and Richard Prior used to push the bounds of descency with a subject wrapped in an ironic twist.
Posted by: ray robison at June 14, 2006 06:09 PM (4joLu)
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AP is so bad, Rush Limbaugh refers to them as "Al AP". They're right up there with Al Reuters and Al Guardian. The BBC was kicked off a British carrier's tv lineup during the war for their bias. They haven't improved in 4 years and they don't have clean hands.
Posted by: Jabba the Tutt at June 15, 2006 07:41 AM (XDmbb)
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Doesn't matter what it says - if it gets a write up in the MSM - and it is negative in some way, shape or form, it makes the newspapers in the Middle East - of course - with ONLY the totally slanted version:
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=83772&d=14&m=6&y=2006
If you can get to it, above. I don't know what "page+4§ion" refers to, but I have the paper, Arab News, from 14 Jun 06 right in front of me and it is on the FRONT page, top right side, huge headlines: "Marine Glorifies Child Killing" and shown under a photo of President Bush and Iraqui Prime Minister Nuri Al-Maliki. Anyone thinking that headlines and articles like this don't incense some of locals, here, would be very, very wrong.
Just makes it all that much safer for those of us over here!
Posted by: Beth T. at June 16, 2006 01:01 AM (VK9mK)
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June 13, 2006
FOUND: The Word The Media Lost
A word seems to be missing from this story from CNN:
Former Atlanta Mayor Bill Campbell, who presided over the city's economic renaissance of the 1990s, was sentenced Tuesday to 30 months in prison and fined more than $6,000 for racketeering and tax evasion.
U.S. District Judge Richard Story praised Campbell, 53, for two decades of public service but said he could not ignore his crimes.
Campbell was convicted in March of a single racketeering count and three counts of tax evasion. He was cleared of charges he lined his pockets with payoffs from a contractor but was found guilty of failing to pay taxes on what prosecutors said was illegally obtained money. Campbell said the money was gambling winnings.
"Yes, Bill Campbell, you did good things, and there is a person in this room that recognizes this," Story said, referring to himself. He cited Campbell's work in improving public housing in Atlanta as an example.
But the judge added that during the trial he "was overcome, almost appalled, at the breadth of misconduct in your administration."
The story goes on for another 13 more paragraphs, and yet, I can't find that word.
Couldit be in
WXIA's coverage? No.
How about
UPI's story? Nope, it's not there, either.
It isn't until the very last word of the very last paragraph of this
AP story that we finally found that missing word [my bold]:
Instead, he was convicted on just three counts of federal tax evasion, and acquitted on racketeering and bribery charges _ a verdict he and his attorneys painted as a vindication. Campbell was once considered a rising star for Democrats.
I wonder how that one particular word got so lost?
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The most memorable sentences in an article are the first and last, and the the word "democrat" is in the last sentence, so what is the beef??
Posted by: Johnny at June 13, 2006 08:57 PM (Vtwo9)
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Well, Johnny, I'm glad you asked:
In print journalism, they use the inverted pyramid format to put the most important points of an article first, so if they run out of column inches in a print publication, the can drop the paragraphs at the end to make it fit, without losing the "important" details.
Thanks for playing my foil.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at June 13, 2006 10:53 PM (0fZB6)
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I don't think it's right to say that the media routinely favors Democrats. Take the corruption unfolding in congress. Everyone involved in that web -- Abramoff, Delay, Ney, Mitchell Wade, Lewis, Cunningham, Safavian, etc is a Republican, but this fact isn't trumped up at all in the reports I've seen.
William Jefferson is the only Democrat that I know of who is in trouble, and I'm not sure if he's involved in the same web as those other guys or if instead he was running an independent shop.
Posted by: Cyrus McElderry at June 14, 2006 01:00 AM (i16Gs)
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Cyrus,
All you have to do is read. What you will find is that if it is a Republican it will be noted with his/her name along with the random "other problems Republicans face and/or Bush's dropping numbers". You don't see those descriptive types of phrases with Democrats. Not on a daily basis.
Posted by: Specter at June 14, 2006 08:01 AM (ybfXM)
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Mayor is a non partisan office. It does not matter what party you are in Yankee. My gosh go study your politics 101.
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What Plagiarism Isn't
With al-Zarqawi dead, Bush in Baghdad and a botched Fitzmas bringing nothing but trickling, impotent gloom, the Left needed something to brighten their day.
This isn't it.
Plagiarism or sloppy cut-and-paste? That's what blogger Rude Pundit is asking about two passages in Ann Coulter's white-hot book Godless, which has already had its share of criticism over its content.
Pundit's evidence:
Coulter, Chapter 1 of Godless: The massive Dickey-Lincoln Dam, a $227 million hydroelectric project proposed on upper St. John River in Maine, was halted by the discovery of the Furbish lousewort, a plant previously believed to be extinct.
Portland Press Herald, from "Maine Stories of the Century": The massive Dickey-Lincoln Dam, a $227 million hydroelectric project proposed on upper St. John River, is halted by the discovery of the Furbish lousewort, a plant believed to be extinct.
Coulter: A few years after oil drilling began in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, a saboteur set off an explosion blowing a hole in the pipeline and releasing an estimated 550,000 gallons of oil.
The History Channel: The only major oil spill on land occurred when an unknown saboteur blew a hole in the pipe near Fairbanks, and 550,000 gallons of oil spilled onto the ground.
In the first pair of sentences about the Dickey-Lincoln Dam, Coulter's copy is almost word-for-word the same as the copy from the 2000
Portland Press list, with the only difference being a minor shift in verb tense (present to past, "is" to "was").
But is copying an item from a list plagiarism? Even with the list item being copied nearly word for word, the case for calling this plagiarism is questionable at best. Why?
If you look at the
lagiarism&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title">various definitions of plagiarism, the underlying theme is the concept of the theft of creative work or ideas from another person. Some people define it is a willful reproduction of the work of another, while more stringent standards hold it to be any reproduction of another's work, willful or subconscious.
Regardless of details, the key to plagiarism is the theft of a creative work or ideas. Does a
list item meet the standard of "a creative work or ideas" needed to support a charge of plagiarism? Despite the almost verbatim copy, I'd argue that it most likely does not.
The claim that the second passage contains evidence of any plagiarism at all is frankly nonsensical.
The line from the History Channel and from Coulter's book are only similar in they discuss the same event, where a saboteur blew up a pipe in Alaska spilling 550,000 of oil.
By Rude Pundit's unsustainably broad standard, no two people could write about the same event and cite the same facts (or even different descriptions of the same place, as Coulter cites the location as "in Prudhoe Bay" and the History Channel says "near Fairbanks") from that event without one plagiarizing the other.
To quote
Thomas Jefferson, "He's most likely completely full of crap."
As are his too-broad charges of plagiarism.
(h/t Allah at
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I confess I enjoy seeing the left swish about like a frog in a pot of water being slowly heated.
Posted by: Zhombre at June 13, 2006 04:54 PM (jXuCP)
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They are utterly unable to attack her ideas so what elee do they have left.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at June 13, 2006 07:21 PM (DdRjH)
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"the key to plagiarism is the theft of a creative work or ideas"
No, the key to plagiarism is being up front about where you copied the data from, in a footnote or endnote. You can get away with copying quite a lot of stuff; just as long as you acknowledge the source in an endnote, it's not plagiarism.
Good practice is to always acknowledge information you've taken from somewhere else, even if you've paraphrased every word, so that people can chase up the original source to verify its accuracy. This is just one of those quaint old habits the "intelligentsia" has picked up over the years, and tends to get ignored by people who for some reason like to attack academics.
It's not the scandal of the century. But the standard of political discourse in America is pretty low right now, and it's worth pointing out where it fails.
Posted by: Mat at June 14, 2006 01:26 AM (kVBtr)
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The word for word copying of a single sentence in a paper, two pages long, would call for a docking of 10 points for "not cited." Two of these would call for a 0 on the paper.
It's plagiarism if it's not cited, whether it is a list or not.
I do not think the second example is plagiarism, even if she got the word saboteur from that source. Use of a single word does not constitute plagiarism, unless the first author invented it.
But, as we saw with Red America, even a metaphor is sufficient that it can be termed plagiarized if the original work is not cited.
Plagiarism doesn't always amount to much. The CEO who plagiarized a 50s engineer's work and Kerry didn't get any backlash from their plagiarism, while Red America and my students lost a lot. (A job and a grade.)
The Harvard sophomore is more questionable. Did she have to return her $500,000 advance? I don't know.
But, yes, I do think that a single sentence from a source, even in a list, is plagiarism.
Posted by: Suzi at June 14, 2006 04:21 PM (dFNyu)
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Theoretically it is not plagarism, which refers to copying more than a sentence and has to do more with how something is written than with what is written.
However, in a book with annotations, it should have been marked with a tiny number referring to the endnotes.
After all, it is stating a fact, and needs annotation to where Coulter got those facts.
Posted by: tioedong at June 15, 2006 07:33 PM (MnYjI)
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I've seen the same sentence with one or two words changed in multiple works. If something has been said many times, how many times can you change the wording without seeming to be like something alread written.
You who think it is plaguerism, please write up what happened on 9/11 in time order. I've seen dozens almost word for word. It is history!
Posted by: Rick at June 17, 2006 06:01 PM (wEZSC)
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At best Rude Punidt is a bad comedy loung act with lots of four letter words to keep the drunks awake. At worst it the essence of loberalism. Incapable of a counter argument they behave like a bunch of wolrd socilists who set cars on fire and break windows in Seattle when a bunch of bankers come to town for a meeting. COULTER has them unhinged and on the run
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Bush in Baghdad
While we were all looking at Karl Rove, President Bush decided to make an unannounced visit to Baghdad, no doubt as a show of support for the newly completed Iraqi government and a tough-talking Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's plans to increase security in Baghdad and throughout Iraq.
From
Fox News:
President Bush made a surprise visit to Iraq on Tuesday to meet newly named Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and discuss the next steps in the troubled, three-year-old war.
It was a dramatic move by Bush, traveling to violence-rattled Baghdad less than a week after the death of terror chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in a bombing attack. The president was expected to be in Baghdad a little more than five hours.
You can say what you will about his successes and failures as a President, but George W. Bush certainly has courage. Not many Presidents—actually none that I know of, but I hardly claim empiracal knowledge—have made it a practice to visit our soldiers and our allies in an active war zone, and I can't recall a time when the technological capability for the enemy to strike against a President during a visit been greater.
This article (and others, to be sure) tells a reeling al Qaeda where Bush is and when he will be leaving the airport, and the flight paths in and out of the airport are anything but secret. Frankly, I fear the possibility of an attempt to use
MANPADS against Air Force One as it leaves Baghdad International.
We know that insurgents have Russian-designed SA-16 man-portable surface to air missiles, and if DEBKA
filecan be believed,
as many as a thousand Iranian-built SA-7s. I do not know how much of a threat to Air Force One small man-portable missiles would be, but a volley of these missiles fired simultaneously as the President's plane was ascending could be problematic to say the least.
Those worries aside, the reasoning behind Bush's visit is sound. He is there to give a morale boost for an American military accused of murdering innocent civilians, and to show support for the Iraqi government that seems serious about cracking down on both insurgent and sectarian violence. His very presence all but assures success on both of these goals.
More as this story develops...
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I hope they give Saddam a T.V. in his cell.
Posted by: Tom TB at June 13, 2006 09:57 AM (Ffvoi)
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Abraham Lincoln most prominantly comes to mind. He visited one of the forts defending Washington, D.C. and was wrestled to the ground by Oliver Wendell Holmes in order to avoid Confederate sharpshooters.
James Madison fled Washington, D.C. when the British invaded and burned the White House.
FDR did make numerous trips to places theoretically subject to Luftwaffe bombing.
Eisenhower went to Korea.
LBJ visited Vietnam.
Kudos to Bush for doing this.
Posted by: wjo at June 13, 2006 11:57 AM (gI0Ku)
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Just got done reading "Abraham Lincoln: team of equals". Abe was with U.S. Grant when General Lee attacked the army 8 miles away and when Grant took Petersburg. Abe entered the the city the morning after the city was taken by rowboat because the waterway was cramed with dead horses/soldiers, sunken boats and LIVE torpedoes. Imagine the President of the US rowing a boat into a hostile city while live ordinance is floating around you.
I don't mind giving GWB his due for going to Iraq twice but there are other presidents just as worthy if not more with respect to entering active war zones...
Posted by: matt a at June 13, 2006 01:02 PM (IHMpz)
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matt a,
If the scenario you describe is correct, then Lincoln was never in range of any manned weaponry, and only real threat he faced was running his rowboat into stationary floating mines (torpedo).
By comparison, Bush is theoretically in range of artillery ranging from rockets to mortars while at known locations on the ground, and small arms, machine gun, and surface-to-air guided missile fire while flying through Baghdad via helicopter, and again upon take-off and landing in Air Force One.
Not to take anything away from other President's (several who performed valiantly in actual combat prior to becoming President) I think the actual risk to Bush's life in Baghdad is greater due to technological advances and the ability to hit a target with great accurac from further distances.
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Truthout.org: Fresh Out Of Truth
I'm not too emotionally invested in the Plamegate story and so I'm probably not enjoying this as much as others, but anytime the Democratic Underground-types have their conspiracy theories crushed and their frog-marching cancelled, I must admit that I find it highly amusing.
From the
NY Times:
The prosecutor in the C.I.A. leak case on Monday advised Karl Rove, the senior White House adviser, that he would not be charged with any wrongdoing, effectively ending the nearly three-year criminal investigation that had at times focused intensely on Mr. Rove.
The decision by the prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, announced in a letter to Mr. Rove's lawyer, Robert D. Luskin, lifted a pall that had hung over Mr. Rove who testified on five occasions to a federal grand jury about his involvement in the disclosure of an intelligence officer's identity.
In a statement, Mr. Luskin said, "On June 12, 2006, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald formally advised us that he does not anticipate seeking charges against Karl Rove."
Liberal conspiracy site
Truthout.org and their ace reporter on this story, Jason "
24" Leopold have had their credibility heavily if not irreparably damaged with their speculative accusations, and I doubt anyone with any credibility themselves will take either TruthOut or Leopold seriously again.
"Truth to Power?"
Maybe not.
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Truth really does lead to power. The problem the liberals have in capitalizing on a "Truth to Power" slogan is getting the truth part right. Obviously, with the truth part wrong, there is no power to be had, and that's the way it probably will remain for a long time. Visceral desires do not automatically equal truth no matter how much one wants them to...
Posted by: Old Soldier at June 13, 2006 08:45 AM (X2tAw)
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CY and all,
Been over there all day watching the interesting comments. The regular posters who normally defend TO haven't had the guts to show their faces. TO is getting pounded. Marc Ash's latest is that "We are stunned at yesterday's developments....." He calls for Luskin to lay his cards on the table like TO did. To funny. The only thing TO laid on the table is innuendo and rumor - no facts per say.
Now you have Mensa-Man (AKA Slow Down) trying to say that since the quote was that Fitz didn't "anticipate" indicting Rove it must mean that he is still thinking about it. It is way to funny.
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yep, conservatives always get the truth right. We need to find all the liberals out there and beat the visceral desires right out of them.
Posted by: matt a at June 13, 2006 12:54 PM (IHMpz)
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My view is that Fitzgerald did not go against Rove on perjury charges not so much because Fitzgerald did not have a case, even though he didn’t, but because it would have been too much political trouble for him, even though Fitzgerald very much needs something to justify the years and millions of dollars spent on the horribly misconceived “Plumegate” investigation.
The time is long overdue to face up to why no one has been charged with a substantive legal violation and to call for Fitzgerald to close up shop after the Libby alleged perjury case (which Fitzgerald should not have brought).
In this case, there was no violation and could be no violation of either of the statutes in question -- the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act.
There was no violation of the Intelligence Agent Identities Act because: (i) Washington D.C. desk bound CIA analyst Valerie Plume Wilson was not “covert” within the meaning of the Act (which requires at the least a foreign assignment within five years of the revelation that Valerie Plume Wilson did not have); (ii) the Government was not taking “affirmative measures” to conceal Valerie Plume Wilson’s identity; and (iii) the revealer (whomever that person was) did not know that the Government was taking those measures to conceal Valerie Plume Wilson’s identity because no such measures were being taken. The requirements here applied were in fact written into the Intelligence Agent Identities Act law so that political debate or journalistic pursuit of a story would not be chilled by its operation.
There was no violation of the 1917 Espionage Act, which prohibits revealing national defense information such as ship movements. There was nothing ever intentionally to harm the national defense; and if ever there was an attempt to stretch the 1917 Espionage Act to cover what was part of a political debate concerning this country’s decision to go to war in Iraq, then you would have a major First Amendment case. (A bit of legal history: Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes’s famous words interpreting the First Amendment about the “marketplace of ideas” were stated in a 1919 opinion in Abrams v. United States, which arose out of a conviction under a World War I-vintage sedition act for the defendant’s circulation of petitions denouncing then President Wilson’s decision to send troops to Bolshevik Russia. While Holmes then wrote in dissent, the majority opinion is now long forgotten and Holmes’s words became the law – when then Chief Justice Rehnquist penned his opinion in the Falwell v. Hustler case, it was Holmes he quoted.)
I think Fitzgerald deserves severe public criticism and reproach for a drawn out investigation when there were clearly no violations of Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act and important First Amendment interests were compromised. In the context of political arguments over the decision to launch the Iraq War, Joseph Wilson penned an op-ed piece published by the New York Times containing false information, and Bush Administration officials responded, as well they should have. Yet, that political debate got dragged into a criminal investigation as to possible violation of laws that were written and interpreted not to apply in this kind of situation and not to interfere with political debate. Fitzgerald has been and is thinking about himself in a role where the public interest must scrupulously be served. Fitzgerald may be a smooth operator, but if you look at substance, you realize that he really is no good. I hope that Ted Welles (Libby’s lawyer) gives Fitzgerald the beating of Fitzgerald’s life; Ted Welles is capable of doing that.
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matt a,
You miss the point. It's not that we were right - which of course we were - but more that those at truthout continue to try to hang onto the hope that the articles they swore by are still correct. It's the absolute denial of facts that is funny.
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Coming Soon: Bin Laden Never Existed
I've long thought that the mental acuity of the average leftist was highly retarded by a wall of anti-Bush agi-prop (hence the tagline, "liberalism is a persistent vegetative state"), but even still, I was blown away by the blatant paranoia, open delusions, and thinly-veiled hatred of American soldiers manifested on liberal blog Talk Left, regarding the killing of terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
Starting
on Saturday and continuing
again Sunday, Talk Left posters began working themselves into a lather over a claim made by an anonymous Iraqi to the Associated Press that U.S. soldiers beat al-Zarqawi to death after his safehouse was hit by two 500-pound bombs.
The claim:
The Iraqi, identified only as Mohammed, said he lives near the house where al-Zarqawi was killed. He said residents put a bearded man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived.
"When the Americans arrived they took him out of the ambulance, they beat him on his stomach and wrapped his head with his dishdasha, then they stomped on his stomach and his chest until he died and blood came out of his nose," Mohammed said, without saying how he knew the man was dead.
A dishdasha is a traditional Arab robe.
A similar account in The Washington Post identified the man as Ahmed Mohammed.
No other witnesses have come forward to corroborate the account. U.S. officials have only said al-Zarqawi mumbled and tried to roll off a stretcher before dying.
Now, by even applying
basic reasoning skills to Mohamed's claim, one would have to ask how "Mohammed" could see blood flow out of al-Zarqawi's nose with his robe wrapped around his head, but that was easily bypassed by this top liberal blog, which was quick to label al-Zarqawi's killing
an act of terrorism by the American military:
Killing Zarqawi and three women in the house with him was not an act of war. It was an act of retaliatory terrorism. By our government. And I don't want it to be in my name.
So according to Jeralyn Merritt, founder of Talk Left, killing a major terrorist is itself an act of terrorism.
The comment left me speechless over the weekend; I could not find a way to adequately explain the moral vacuousness and depraved indifference to reality needed to make such an incredibly stupid comment,
and mean it.
But several of Jeralyn's regulars were ready to go beyond her labeling of American soldiers as terrorists, and seemed to float the theory that al-Zarqawi
never even really existed at all:
The whole story is so unbelievable to begin with that the AP story only adds to the confusion.
al-Zarqawi has been a psy/ops character made for the American audience since Powell pointed to him as proof aq[sic] was in Iraq.
Why would the last chapter, his death, be any less fictional. With the US military controlling the narrative, anything is possible.
Some where willing to grant the possibility that he existed,
but weren't convinced he was a terrorist :
The whole thing is bull. Whatever killed the man, it was not a 500-pound bomb. We know that's a lie, because the building was vaporized and the guy supposedly inside came out looking like he had been slapped by a high-school freshman. Then he died, with hardly a mark on him. Sure would like to see the autopsy report.
It seems that a lot of people are willing to take the word of people who have been wrong about EVERYTHING SO FAR that he was a terrorist, and that his role was important.
That was Saturday.
Sunday's post was even more discombobulated, with Merritt and her supporters apparently convinced that a delay in releasing the autopsy until DNA confirmation was complete as evidence of some sort of a cover-up, with the "discovery" of a second (predictably) anonymous source all the proof they required that al-Zarqawi's death was the result of a brutal beating of an injured man by American soldiers.
It's just heart-warming isn't it? Jeralyn and her followers find it far easier to believe that American soldiers are mindless thugs that would beat a wounded man on a stretcher to death, that believe he actually died as a result of two 500-lb. precision-guided bombs.
Of course, that depends on the silly assumption of those of us outside the "reality-based community" have that al-Zarqawi actually existed. Talk Lefter's don't seem convinced.
From
Jade:
All the national and international media reported for the last two years that Zarqawi had one leg. They even told when and how he lost it. The quote often was "how hard is it to find a one legged man in Iraq".
Then we see a video of a two legged Zarqawi and a corpse of a two legged Zarqawi, how did that miracle of science happen?
From Aaron, the
"more than one al-Zarqawi" theory:
While the DNA and the fingerprints may prove that this is indeed the terrorist we've come to know as Zarqawi, there does seem to be a lot of conflicting accounts, there may actually be a number of people using this moniker.
[snip]
The more you look at this nice neat little package which has been provided for us since day one, with the Jordanian government immediately stepping forward, and everyone revealing their intelligence sources, that's the moment you know to open your eyes wide, and listen very carefully. Far from being a coordinated attack it looks more and more like they just got lucky even with the help of Al Qaeda, and were able to call in a couple of planes which were on routine patrol. Beware of nice neat little packages when examining such counterintelligence scenarios.
And last but not least,
Furillo:
I don't believe a word of what Gen. Casey Said.
Zarqawi never existed. At least the terrorist one.
It's all propoganda. Since when does a sullen Gen. Casey have to confirm what some already know is to use to press to brainwash and bombard us with dogma and story telling.
You see folks?
al-Zarqawi never existed. Nick Berg sawed off his own head. That half-hour propaganda video so beloved by
CNN's Jamie McIntyre was likely filmed on the same set as the
faked Apollo moon landings. It all
fits… at least when you're having fits.
Sadly, Jeralyn Merritt and her posters are not that atypical of the average "netroots progressive" that feel that our present U.S. government is the single greatest source of evil on this planet, and that terrorists such as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Osama bin Laden are just props created by President Bush "to further the neocon agenda."
Can you imagine the looks they would have received in World War II?
I wonder what would have happened to people of this ilk during World War II as they tried to tell other Americans of a conspiracy cooked up by FDR to make his friends in the military-industrial complex filthy rich by creating a pawn called Benito Mussolini. Mussolini
of course didn't really exist, since they never did find conclusive
enough proof that the body recovered after he was reported killed was really a fascist dictator at all.
Back then, they'd be off to a rubber-padded room for electroshock treatments. Today, they run for office as Democrats.
Merritt and her fellow partisans ask us to believe their current insanity is a self-evident truth. Even the
release of the autopsy showing al-Zarqawi was killed by the blast overpressure of the bombs will not be enough to convince them.
Based upon their easy dismissal of al-Zarqawi as a fictional character, one can only assume that from their enlightened perspective, Osama bin Laden is but a figment of our imagination as well.
Silly, silly us.
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Yeah, and these are the jackasses that will lead the Democratic party to victory in 2008; these are the moral & intellectual bankrupts attending the YearlyKos convention in Las Vegas (making me wish Elvis' fat angry ghost had walked the halls and kicked butt in the pre dawn hours) to whom a pack of Democrat pols (including the Southern hope Mark Warner) went to play suck up and kiss up; these are the progressive gonna win back the country from evil Bushco. My ass.
Posted by: Zhombre at June 12, 2006 02:00 PM (bA/KJ)
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It doesn't matter how nuts they get, they always seem to be able to outdo themselves. It's almost like we aren't even speaking the same language. And their language is a constantly shifting set of rules.
Mark my words. ONE MONTH and there will be people saying that Bush declared this war over with the death of Zarqawi.
Posted by: Tony B at June 12, 2006 05:47 PM (51ksp)
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Not so long ago, when a person exhibited delusional behavior, he/she was committed to a state "institution” (asylum). Today they become card carrying members of the DNC and eventually assume positions of leadership within the party. Bush Derangement Syndrome doesn't begin to adequately describe the nature of derangement of these people.
Note to self: buy aluminum foil company stocks!
Posted by: Old Soldier at June 12, 2006 07:58 PM (owAN1)
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I was so amazed about Merritt's talk left article. While very far left, usually she doesn't just fabricate things out of thin air like this - usually she spins the heck out of things, but is at times coherent. But she just made stuff up this time and I think it shows how far things are slipping on that side. Every "Scandal du Jour" they have dreamed up in the past few years is coming apart at the seams; literally crumbling around them. Desparation is setting in and Merritt and her followers are panic-stricken. They are starting to see that all the trouble they have tried to whip up is going to cost them this fall. I think the best we can hope for is that KOS gets behind and supports lots and lots of dem candidates....LOL
Posted by: Specter at June 13, 2006 07:34 AM (ybfXM)
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Never discount the testimony of the eyewitnesses. Like the guy that was telling the news crews that there were no adult males in the house only women and children "many, many children." And that it had not been bombed. Instead the house had been surrounded by US military and they had placed explosives in it and killed all the women and children.
In a flashback scenerio to Bagdad Bob - while the guy is telling this heart rending story, the bodies of several males are carried past in the background.
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The Saddam Dossier
Allow me to crow a bit this morning, as I'm extremely proud of and happy for Ray Robinson, who comments occasionally here at Confederate Yankee and helped me out immensely with his technical expertise in a series of posts debunking the "white phosphorus is a chemical weapon" myth of last November.
Ray went on to establish
his own blog in March, and now has a new column at FoxNews.com, called "
The Saddam Dossier."
What does Fox News plan to accomplish with this series?
Was Saddam Hussein a security threat to the United States? Did the Iraqi dictator have connections to Al Qaeda or other terrorist ties? What happened to the weapons of mass destruction everyone believed were in his possession? Did Saddam move them? Did they ever exist?
All of those questions have been dogging President George W. Bush and his administration since the start of the Iraq war. Politicians and respected U.S. military and intelligence officials have weighed in publicly on both sides of the debate, but until recently the general public has had little of the information necessary to make a fully informed decision on its own.
But that is changing.
The U.S. government seized thousands of classified Iraqi government papers when Saddam's regime was toppled, and Washington recently released a trove of these documents on the Pentagon's Foreign Military Studies Office Web site.
The documents, many in Arabic and with no accompanying translation, provide multiple insights into events inside pre-war Iraq. The dossier, however, is huge and disorganized. Digging out its secrets is a laborious task — one that the U.S. government decided to leave to others.
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With a small cadre of independent translators to support his efforts, Robison will now translate and analyze scores of the unexplored trove of documents from Saddam's regime in a FOXNews.com exclusive series: The Saddam Dossier.
In addition to translation, Robison will provide analysis based upon his work for the Iraq Survey Group and his military operations research experience. On occasion, he or a translator will remark in the translation itself for clarity, but will maintain the integrity of the document. All of their work will be linked online to the original Arabic texts, stored on the Foreign Military Studies Office Web site. Robison's analysis, however, is based on his own opinions.
"It is my belief," Robison says, "that those who just want to know the truth will find new and shocking information in these documents and may even change their beliefs about the reasons for the war."
The first installment of "The Saddam Dossier,"
Terror Links to Saddam's Inner Circle is online, and examines documents that connect Saddam's Iraq with the Taliban.
The much vaunted liberal cry of "Bush Lied, People Died" has never been so threatened.
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Notably, American officials also met with the Taliban. Pakistan recognized the Taliban as the legit government of Afghanistan.
Posted by: jpe at June 12, 2006 07:22 PM (ozr1U)
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Thanks for Catching Up...
CNN, today:
Thousands of pounds of armor added to military Humvees, intended to protect U.S. troops, have made the vehicles more likely to roll over, killing and injuring soldiers in Iraq, a newspaper reported.
"I believe the up-armoring has caused more deaths than it has saved," said Scott Badenoch, a former Delphi Corp. vehicle dynamics expert told the Dayton Daily News for Sunday editions.
Since the start of the war, Congress and the Army have spent tens of millions of dollars on armor for the Humvee fleet in Iraq, the newspaper reported Sunday.
That armor -- much of it installed on the M1114 Humvee built at the Armor Holdings Inc. plant north of Cincinnati, Ohio -- has shielded soldiers from harm.
But serious accidents involving the M1114 have increased as the war has progressed, and the accidents were much more likely to be rollovers than those of other Humvee models, the newspaper reported.
USA Today, March 2005:
The Army is baffled by a recent spate of vehicle accidents in Iraq — many of them rollovers involving armored Humvees — that have claimed more than a dozen lives this year.
One key concern: Soldiers lack the skills to handle the heavier Humvees and are losing control as they speed through ambush areas before insurgents detonate roadside bombs.
"An individual feels that if he goes faster he can avoid that threat," says Lt. Col. Michael Tarutani, an Army official tracking the accidents. "But now he's exceeded, first, maybe his capabilities, and then maybe the speed for those conditions."
In the past four full months, the numbers of serious vehicle accidents and fatalities in Iraq have more than doubled from the previous four months, records provided by the Army show. In the first 10 weeks of this year, 14 soldiers were killed in accidents involving Humvees or trucks. All but one died in rollovers. If that rate continues, the number of soldiers killed in such accidents this year would be almost double the 39 soldiers killed in 2004. Detailed records involving Marines were not available.
Perhaps recycling a year-old article is "news" for CNN, but their story is well-known to anyone who has been following this war... or any other.
Just as with the human body armor that some have been pushing, there is a significant trade-off, because added armor decreases mobility and flexibility. More armor does not always mean more survivability, as the heavier armor slows soldiers down and puts them in the enemy's kill zone longer. Firepower almost always ends up defeating a slowed, moderately-armored enemy.
It's a formula that has held for hundreds of years, at least since the
Battle of Crécy in 1346.
I'm glad CNN is finally catching up.
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I work in this field, so my comments may carry a little weight. We've known about this problem, but NO ONE other than this guy (who I've never heard of) believes that the armor presents more of a risk from roll-over than IEDs present. That statement is just mindless. Maybe he is trying to sell his product too hard.
Without going into details best left unstated, the current HMMWV is the best tradeoff we can come up with for the immediate requirement. We can't study this thing for years while Soldiers and Marines die. There are new vehicles in the works.
We train Soldiers and Marines in how to drive HMMWVs, spending a lot of time on preventing roll-overs. However, when bullets are flying, people react instinctively. Not always wisely.
Posted by: Old_dawg at June 12, 2006 08:38 AM (7nc0l)
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June 11, 2006
Memorium
A soldier remembered at Blue Crab Boulevard.
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My Lai, or My Lie?
Perhaps this should not be surprising, but Marine Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich gives a version of events exactly opposite of those described by "cold-blooded" Congressman John Murtha and the Sunni residents of Haditha in a story by Josh White in the Washington Post:
Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, 26, told his attorney that several civilians were killed Nov. 19 when his squad went after insurgents who were firing at them from inside a house. The Marine said there was no vengeful massacre, but he described a house-to-house hunt that went tragically awry in the middle of a chaotic battlefield.
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Wuterich's version contradicts that of the Iraqis, who described a massacre of men, women and children after a bomb killed a Marine. Haditha residents have said that innocent civilians were executed, that some begged for their lives before being shot and that children were killed indiscriminately.
Wuterich told his attorney in initial interviews over nearly 12 hours last week that the shootings were the unfortunate result of a methodical sweep for enemies in a firefight. Two attorneys for other Marines involved in the incident said Wuterich's account is consistent with those they had heard from their clients.
Other comments in the Post article also seem to contradict claims of a cover-up levied by some.
I will not comment at this time to say which version of events is correct, but I'll note that Dan Riehl captured last week the
various inconsistencies in the media-reported statements of Haditha residents, which makes this appear to be anything other than a cut-and-dried case as the media so eagerly reported it at first. I'll also note that radio traffic and reputed surveillance video from drone aircraft in the area can provide nearly irrefutable evidence supportingor disproving the facts as presented by some in this case. As Rick Moran notes at
Right Wing Nut House:
One side or the other is lying in spectacular fashion.
And not just little inconsistencies in eyewitness testimony that one would expect in a war zone either. There are extremely disturbing indications that press reports detailing eyewitness accounts have failed to reconcile what Iraqis in Haditha were telling them with other known facts that were either conveniently left out or ignored altogether. There are also clear and unambiguous cases where Iraqi eyewitnesses have changed their stories 2, 3, and even more times.
It will be very interesting to see which side is lying, and what the repercussions of that lying will be.
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Well....If I had to guess....Let's see...Marines on one side and MSM on the other. Defending our country vs. trying to pull down a duly elected administration. Which group has the bigger record of lying and misleading the public? I know who I'd vote for....
Posted by: Specter at June 11, 2006 09:16 AM (ybfXM)
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Unfortunately, the repurcussions if the media is lying will be exactly ZERO -- just like they were after the Katrina reporting was proven phony and hyped.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 11, 2006 10:41 AM (zPSD1)
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The reports coming out now telling the Marine side of the story do not surprise me. I have been saying that we should not rush to judgment against the Marines based on the media reports and the accusations of the likes of Murtha when the investigation was not complete and no charges had been made.
I too find the Marine side of the story that is coming out the one that makes better sense thus far, in contrast to what was coming out in the media. The media wanted and still wants another My Lai. Victor Davis Hanson's latest article in the National Review On Line is an excellent discussion of how there is an effort an the anti-war crowd to treat the present situaiton in Iraq as another Vietnam even though it clearly isn't.
Posted by: Phil Byler at June 11, 2006 11:07 AM (/kIDl)
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Over at American Thinker, Clarice Feldman has a pretty good round-up of why some of the Haditha stories are so suspicious to begin with.
Check it out here.
Posted by: Specter at June 11, 2006 11:55 AM (ybfXM)
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"They then kicked in that door, tossed a fragmentation grenade into the room, and one Marine fired a series of "clearing rounds" through the dust and smoke, killing several people, Puckett said."
That was fuckin retarded. You do not use frags when civilians are around, and you do not spray into dusty rooms indescriminately. This is a guerrilla war, quite searching for the decisive engagement. You disenfranchise the insurgent from the masses with moral leverage-seperate the fish from the water- not kill him with tactical victories, making numerous moral errors in the process. We have not retained a godamn thing since Vietnam.
Posted by: SSG at June 11, 2006 05:28 PM (c90Mq)
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SSG you are certifiably nuts!
Posted by: Sara (Squiggler) at June 11, 2006 05:50 PM (1mQHF)
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SSG probably thinks that cops can shoot to knock the gun out of someone's hand rather than go for the kill. LOL. Grow up - this ain't a perfect world.
Hey Sara - nice to see you here.
Posted by: Specter at June 11, 2006 06:41 PM (ybfXM)
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SSG: In the last four paragraphs of the WashPost article, it says: "After going through the houses, Wuterich moved a small group of Marines to the roof of a nearby building to watch the area, Puckett said. At one point, they saw a man in all-black clothing running from one of the houses they had searched. The Marines killed him, Puckett said.
They then noticed another man in all black scurrying between two houses across the street. When they went to investigate, the Marines found a courtyard filled with women and children and asked where the man was, Puckett said.
When the civilians pointed to a third house, the Marines attempted to enter and found a man with an AK-47 inside, flanked by three other men; the first Marine to enter tried to fire his weapon, but it jammed, Puckett said. The Marines then killed those four men.
The unit stayed at the scene for hours, helping to collect bodies as photos were taken. Wuterich, who remains on duty in California, where he lives with his wife and two young daughters, told Puckett that for months no one questioned his actions..."
Also, did you read anything about what Haditha was like before the Marines got there ... ?http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1553969,00.html
Did you know it was tips from Haditha civilians that gave away the plans for a massive insurgent attack the night before the incident in November...?
Or, do you just know what you want to know?
Posted by: FrauBudgie at June 11, 2006 06:47 PM (zHk8C)
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Same as all lefties Frau...only the twists of the facts that fit their POV. If it doesn't...well they won't believe it. The typical response when presented by facts is to 1) change subject quickly because then they don't look like they just lost face, and 2) swear at you if you keep pestering them with those darn facts.
Posted by: Specter at June 11, 2006 07:54 PM (ybfXM)
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I can't wait until this sham falls apart and the Multi-Billions dollar lawsuits against the antique MSM and the excuse for reporters they employ hit the court system. Unlike the soldiers the media lies/hype have ruined without any evidence, there is an abundance of evidence to convict the media in any court in the land. Even the lefie judges will be scared to rule against the soldiers because they know the American people are fed up and have a lot of new ropes waiting to be put to good use. Being in the military does not do away with your right to use the civilian court system to collect what you are due, and a few hundred Marines are due a lot. I'll bet the lawyers are lined up around the corner to get a piece of this billion dollar pie. Can't beat a sure thing.
Posted by: Scrairon at June 11, 2006 07:58 PM (y6n8O)
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I second the motion that 'SSG' (????why) is nuts. Retired Vietnam vet.(E-

Posted by: Scrapiron at June 11, 2006 08:01 PM (y6n8O)
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Scrairon .. about those torte lawyers lined up -- I sure hope so.
Posted by: FrauBudgie at June 12, 2006 07:24 AM (zHk8C)
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People like SSG follow the old Usenet Rules of Disinformation. Catch up on them here.
Posted by: Specter at June 12, 2006 02:06 PM (ybfXM)
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Women, children shot to death with US military bullets, in blood-spattered BEDS. Which "side" is that?
Invasion of the two countries that, duh, form perfect path to Caspian Sea, to steal oil; military pulled up "terrorists" with cash, shipped to No-Man's prison on no evidence.
White House crowd: doesn't give a Damn about laws, treaties or grunts to help their corporate masters. Still don't get "Mission Accomplished":
how do you like $70.-barrel oil? Where's your low-cost medical insurance? Where do you Think your pension is? White House: shamed ALL Americans. cancer-politics-remedies.blogspot.com
Poppy
Posted by: Poppy at June 13, 2006 12:54 AM (9vCFi)
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A few questions for Poppy.
So we're "stealing oil," Poppy? Can you show me exactly which country we're stealing it from? How about which oil field? Which oil companies are stealing this oil, and how much have they stolen so far?
Which markets are they sending it to, and how much cheaper is it there than here? Which branch of the military specializes in stealing oil, and how do they ship it by the hundreds of millions of barrels, undetected?
Why don't we ever seem to find a reporter who can answer any of these questions?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at June 13, 2006 05:57 AM (0fZB6)
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Poppy,
Which incident are you speaking of? Gotta make that clear first, then we can talk.
Now...If it is Haditha....put yourself in the young soldier's shoes. IED explodes and kills one of your own. After the QRF gets there you start taking fire from a building near at hand. What do you do? Run away? Knock on the door and ask if you can borrow a cup of sugar? Or do what you are trained to do in house-to-house fighting?
Now in Mogadishu, during the famed "BlackHawk Down" incident, the militia shooting at the Rangers and Delta Force personnel included women and children. Those men were surrounded and fought bravely. But the fact was, it was difficult to distinguish between enemy combatant and innocent bystander. Of course, Clinton ran away from that.
The problem with your statement is that you fail to grasp the situation. There is a war. People are shooting at you. We shoot back. If the enemy decides to hide among innocents, then the chance of innocents being killed is large. It is not the bravery or our soldiers that should be questioned here, but the cowardice of the insurgents.
But other than a complete lack of analysis on your part, you sure got those Democratic talking points down.
Posted by: Specter at June 13, 2006 07:21 AM (ybfXM)
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Before you pigeon hole me...
Iraq vet, Infantry/Cav Scout, pro-war, GOP voter, ect.
If you have not been in Iraq in the past three years, I could give a rats ass what you think- you do not know.
Posted by: SSG at June 13, 2006 02:31 PM (aS6MV)
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Spector,
In regards to the "disinformation" blogger crap. Get a life.
Posted by: SSG at June 13, 2006 02:40 PM (aS6MV)
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1st: I tried few times to post and Comment wouldn't 'stick' so I'm pleased that it's up/you enabled. Thanks!
2nd: To the one who claimed I "got Dem. talking points": Don't slap up labels without knowledge. I have contempt for pimp in the Oval Office; Dem's who voted for "Patriot" Act without READING it & authorization to invade Iraq; right-wingers who twist things; Rep's AND Dem's who don't question things --THEY are Supposed to represent You & Me, NOT the Oval Office occupant.
3rd: US military has been forced to fight kind of war that they didn't prep for, That's How/Why military got put in the position of "house to house." The Rummy: ordered generals NOT to even read After Invasion plans, thousands of prepped pages of 'how to put a country back together.' --They expected to seize ALL of Iraq's assets, not just oil, leave country splintered.
That's how the Rummy got caught flat-footed, watching museums stripped of treasures; museums weren't on their list.
4th: My contempt isn't at those who did the shooting, but those who Failed to equip, train Nation's Guard & military and shipped them out --un-prepared. Soft transport, inadequate water, bullets, maps, goggles, intel, translators? I consider that and the Dick, chair of Joints, who Allowed it: Treasonous. --All because They didn't Expect to Stay.
US military Didn't train for house-to-house --President of Vice, the Rummy, et al didn't care about After-looting/seizing of assets.
5th: Oil seizure:
a)they had to drop the plan: when pipelines got blown up, sev. times
b) $9 Billion bucks has disappeared, which GAO, nobody can account for; who needs oil if you can get cash? LOL....
Clinton did some odd things, but on his watch: American civilians weren't slaughtered; Treasury had vast surplus. 17 killed Vs 2,500 + 50,000 injured, maimed + Sept. 11
Invading Iraq has accomplished: precisely Nothing.
Ideology, anyone's, isn't going to solve probs. I believe we can't 'row in same direction' if we can't/don't talk to each other, so glad for the opportunity.
Posted by: Poppy at June 17, 2006 07:43 AM (5k9Fi)
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