Jay Price of McClatchy Newspapers put up an interesting post yesterday afternoon that I happened to catch off of Memeorandum.com, which reminds us that traditionally, it isn't the dramatic wounds of battle that cause most military casualties, but disease and non-combat injuries, and that the supermajority of medical evacuations of military personnel from Iraq are not the result of enemy fire.
Disease, however, too is another native insurgency in which our military seems to have gained the upper hand:
An example of that success is the U.S. fight against leishmaniasis, a parasitic disease spread by sandflies that causes festering wounds and can attack the organs.
When the British army came to Iraq in the 1930s, leishmaniasis incapacitated up to 30 percent of the troops, said Lt. Col. Ray Dunton , a trained entomologist who's in Iraq serving as chief of preventive medicine for the 62nd Medical Brigade.
In 2004, hundreds of U.S. soldiers also were infected. Preventive medicine teams went into action, spraying insecticide and urging troops to use insect repellant. Infestations dropped from an average of 140 a month to nearly zero. Only 10 people have been diagnosed with leishmaniasis this year.
Informed of the situation, Harry Reid's staff is scrambling to issue a statement declaring the war against battlefield illnesses "lost."
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Yeah that is some nasty stuff. I knew a guy that got leishmaniasis in his elbow. He had black goop coming out of a hole in his arm. It was a pretty gruesome story.
Posted by: Jason at October 31, 2007 10:05 AM (B9+zH)
What right do Americans have to go into another country and change the lives of the local sand-fly population?
Until we are sure that only radical sand-flies armed with biological weapons are being targeted by the insectisides, we should only spray a bug that has shown it is infected and wants to do harm to our soldiers.
Posted by: Gunstar1 at October 31, 2007 03:05 PM (zh8i1)
I had every intention of letting "Cheney Flag-gate" go uncommented upon as a non-story. Vice President Cheney went pheasant hunting at an exclusive preserve in Dutchess County, New York yesterday, and the hunt itself left only pheasants hitting the ground. It was a local interest story for the most part, until a sharp-eyed photographer and a self-promoting blowhard turned this local interest story into a national non-story when it was discovered that the inside of the back door of a garage at the hunt club was draped in a Confederate battle flag.
There is precisely no evidence that Cheney or anyone on his staff saw the flag, but that didn't keep the Daily News from running straight to Al Sharpton. The story ended in lots of hot air being spit by a man in love with the sound of his own voice, and many people fruitlessly wishing they had a way to somehow blame the Vice President.
I only mention this story at all because of the eye for detail it reveals in our media. Consider this a "teachable moment" for media fact-checkers.
Here is the flag photo, as captured by a Daily News photographer.
Note the detail the Daily News posted about the flag itself:
A Daily News photographer captured the 3-by-5 foot Dixie flag affixed to a door in the garage of the Clove Valley Gun and Rod Club in upstate Union Vale, N.Y.
Not to be outdone, Austin Fenner of the Postclaimed:
But the veep only shot him self in the foot - by visiting the exclusive Clove Valley Rod & Gun Club in Union Vale, a sprawling preserve nestled along the western side of Clove Mountain, where a 5-foot-by-5-foot Confederate flag hung in a garage attached to the club headquarters.
Led by the tabloids, the Times "Cityroom" blog blindly follows, and ups the ante with a rather blatant embellishment:
Reporters who covered Mr. Cheney’s visit on Monday — including Fernanda Santos of The Times — were not permitted to enter the grounds of the hunting estate. But at least one eagle-eyed photographer captured images of a Confederate battle flag — about 3 feet by 5 feet in dimension — hanging in plain view in a garage attached to the club’s headquarters.
If it was in "plain view" as alleged, why didn't the Times' Fernanda Santos—or any other reporter or photographer than the one from the Daily News —notice it? Clearly, Sewell Chan had a much better view of the action from Manhattan.
But let's talk about the view for a moment, and about media accuracy. It is admittedly a small matter, but indicative of a greater pervading sloppiness.
Look at the picture again, and the descriptions. The Daily News and the Times puts the flag at "about" 3-by-5 foot in dimension, and the Post, inexplicably, determines the flag is 5-by-5 foot, proving that they failed rectangles and squares.
But before you laugh too much at the Post, make sure you include the Daily News and the Times, for they are far off the mark as well, as a little common sense would tell you.
Look back at that flag again.
Actually, look at the door.
When is the last time you saw an entry door that is 5-feet wide? This door is at most 36 inches wide, and many older buildings have rear garage doors commonly just 2'8" in width.
The flag, it would seem, is roughly half the size of that which the media claimed. This isn't malice, of course, just carelessness over the details.
The same sort of carelessness, however, gives us stories of brutal massacres that didn't happen. It gives us bullets that were never fired or never made. All of these stories are equally untrue because of reporters wanting to rush stories to print without getting the details right.
Speed to press will never save the print media. Bloggers will always be faster. The media must be more accurate, more diligent, and more credible. To date, they show little sign of learning this lesson.
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Balanced and a good comment on the current state of MSM. However, I can easily envision the blogosphere's own hystericalist, Andrew Sullivan, manufacturing a mountain out of essentially a mole hill.
Posted by: Terry at October 30, 2007 03:41 PM (d/RyS)
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Do those colors seem overly saturated? The foreground appears much yellower than one would expect. Objects hanging on the interior walls are redder. The contrast is certainly boosted.
That may be the reason other photographers didn't notice the flag. It is probably so faded that it is near-unrecognizable; an old, pale rectangle of cloth covering a broken window in a garage.
Posted by: lyle at October 30, 2007 03:55 PM (0LZe8)
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Not incidentally, this is Union Vale, New York we're talking about - not exactly a remote bastion of the old Confederacy.
And the 'place of honor'? Raise your hand if you keep valued possessions nailed to the inside of the back door of your garage.
Posted by: lyle at October 30, 2007 04:03 PM (0LZe8)
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I have to agree with Sharpton, Cheney should get right on apologizing for being at this hunting preserve. Right after Sharpton publicly apologizes to the Duke Lacross team and the young man who took the beating in Jenna, and...Al Sharpton a racist? Who knew?
Posted by: R30C at October 30, 2007 06:54 PM (CaZfk)
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Oh horrors! Dick Cheney went hunting at a club where some low-level worker hung a "forbiden object" in an out-of-the-way employees-only area.
This is such a non-story, I hadn't heard about it until now.
Posted by: MikeM at October 30, 2007 07:10 PM (nyO8l)
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The Thought Police are out in force again, I see.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 30, 2007 07:33 PM (ysloH)
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Dutchess County? Isn't that where Tawana Brawley claimed she was raped by white men and Al Sharpton accused DA Steve Pagones of rape?
Posted by: Dennis D at October 30, 2007 07:35 PM (y9UWN)
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The VP should state he'll apologize when "Rev" Sharpton pays the judgement against him in the Brawley slander/libel.
I don't imagine Bill Clinton was ever, EVER in the vicinity of a Confederate battle flag. Nosirree, no chance of that in Arkansas.
Cordially...
Posted by: Rick at October 30, 2007 09:01 PM (Ohkx7)
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"Speed to press will never save the print media."
Agreed. But, I might add, speed is not always the blogger's friend. Haste to post has sunk many a blogger, with Dread Pundit Bluto being the most recent example.
Posted by: Robert Stevens at October 30, 2007 09:07 PM (hsAB9)
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Bob:
O.T.
Email me at the provided email addy. I'm currently Stateside on R&R and headed back on the 8th. I might be able to do a fist...er.. face-to-face with Beuachamp as I am taking a new contract up North.
Best Regards
BC
Posted by: Big Country at October 30, 2007 09:41 PM (SIzGZ)
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That appears to be an Army of Tennessee flag from the 1863-1865 period. The Army of Virginia flags look somewhat similar, but would be square rather than rectangular.
Confederate flag vexillology is non trivial and rather involved. The majority of confederate battle flag types DID NOT contain the stars and bars. Those that can vary greatly depending on the state/unit. Sometimes there's a star in the middle, sometimes not. Most battle flags that used the stars and bars put them in the upper left corner with the bulk of flag area designated for other symbology.
It would be easy to mistake some confederate naval flags for abbreviated versions of the current day US flag.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 30, 2007 10:47 PM (491+P)
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I feel safer at night knowing there are 'eagle-eyed' photographers out there who can spot things 'in plain view'. They are probably real good at tying their shoes as well.
Those stories read like a game of telephone where with each pass they are embellished or distorted. In telephone, however, the excuse is that the statement is misunderstood or mis-heard. What's the excuse for changing details when the details (though incorrect) are in print?
Posted by: negentropy at October 31, 2007 07:31 AM (27KAF)
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CY, unless you get data from someone who has actually measured the door, you're engaging in precisely the same kind of uninformed speculation you accuse the reporters of conducting.
Posted by: nunaim at October 31, 2007 07:38 AM (JkdOg)
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nunaim, have you ever seen such a door that's 5 feet wide? Have you seen many doors? I haven't and I have. Uninformed? I think not.
Posted by: Pablo at October 31, 2007 07:52 AM (yTndK)
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nunaim, as someone who has in the past held a real job in construction and remodeling, and in that area of New York (in Orange County, just across the Hudson from Dutchess) to boot, I assure you, that is not "uninformed speculation."
I know you're trying to score a cheap "point" here or there when you can, but please, stop embarrassing yourself.
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nunaim will grasp at any straw to make a conservative look bad.
That's why he virtually always ends up looking bad himself, cause he doesn't bother to investigate before grasping those straws.
But, he is good for a laugh, and as a poster child for the absolute idiocy of the hard-core left. I guess that's why CY keeps him around.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2007 08:36 AM (ysloH)
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The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 10/31/2007 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.
Posted by: David M at October 31, 2007 10:35 AM (gIAM9)
Posted by: nunaim at October 31, 2007 02:47 PM (22/Qe)
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Yes, yes, nunaim, we know that you know more about construction in that part of the country than someone who's actually lived there and worked in construction.
You also know more about military strategy than the Pentagon, more about economics than the Federal Reserve, and you even know more about everything than God Himself does.
We all bow to your incredible intellect.
Please go away now.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2007 09:15 PM (ysloH)
20 we know that you know more about construction in that part of the country than someone who's actually lived there and worked in construction.
Remember how the opinions of generals who had served in Iraq as recently as last year were discarded by CY and others on this site because they weren't "on the ground?" (Oh, and because they said things CY didn't want to hear, of course.)
It's interesting how, when it cuts your way, "I did this thing one time" is sufficient proof; when you disagree with the ideas, the only thing that will suffice is up-to-date eyewitness testimony backed up by video--and even then, some yahoo is going to see a conspiracy in the fact that the image seems oversaturated.
Consistency? That must be for weeners, right?
Posted by: nunaim at October 31, 2007 09:44 PM (xIeY7)
CY is basing his opinion on his personal experience of the topic at hand.
CY has dismissed the opinions of people who lack personal experience of the topic at hand.
Too bad you can't comprehend that.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2007 09:46 PM (ysloH)
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My problems with Cheney's hunting escapades is that his impression of hunting (raised birds, private lands) shield him in his hobby from the consequences of this administration's policies have on the rest of the hunting population.
Those of us who hunt public lands (or would like to) have seen the environmental disinterest of this presidency and the wholesale auctioning off of public lands for mining interests without regard to the impact in the quality of the life we have.
Of course, if you are sitting on a stool with a glass of single malt, holding your custom 28 gauge shotgun while waiting for a low paid hick to kick a few tame birds your way, you might be too preoccupied with the luxuries of your life to care that the rest of us don't see it the same way. Be then, I'm not a cyborg, and can still walk through the woods with my dog and old savage automatic.
But then, i forgot your mantra "Cheney Good/ Bush good/ facts bad."
Posted by: ltg at November 01, 2007 12:09 AM (O3LoN)
Do you suppose the opinions of generals who served in Iraq in Sept. of 2007 might be more indicative of current conditions than those whose last service in Iraq was 2006?
Or is Iraq a static situation where nothing changes?
Posted by: M. Simon at November 01, 2007 06:04 AM (eeb3t)
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M. Simon, your question presupposes that generals who are not actually standing on Iraqi soil are totally cut off from all information about Iraq. Following your own reasoning, then, Bush should not be allowed to make any decisions about Iraq because he's not there.
This whole thing has happened at other times, as well. Remember the photos that CY declared worthless because the people in them "were aware of the photographer?" And then I found several photos on Yon's site with people--including Iraqi kids and American soldiers--lined up and staring into the camera? But that was different, of course, because you agree with Yon and you disagreed with what you perceived to be the agenda of that other photographer.
Posted by: nunaim at November 01, 2007 07:35 AM (xIeY7)
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Of course, nunaim is too brain-dead to realize that by dismissing the opinions of those generals that are actually in Iraq, he is himself doing what he accuses CY and others--including myself--of doing: giving weight only to those opinions he agrees with.
Hypocrisy, thy name is nunaim.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 01, 2007 08:44 AM (ysloH)
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What CCG is too brain-dead to realize is that I'm not dismissing the opinions of the other generals and I never have. He made that up in order to fit his own personal narrative about me. Backing up his assertions about me positions would take some thought and effort on his part, however, and this is something he is unlikely to do. It's far easier to make up my opinions for me, I guess.
I'm commenting on the reasons for which the generals' opinions were dismissed, and the lack of consistency of the Right's general approach to things this highlights.
(By the way, CCG, I'm flattered that you care enough about me to have a "Nunaim Narrative" shelf in the cluttered crawlspace that you call your brain. BFF!!!!!)
Posted by: nunaim at November 01, 2007 10:15 AM (22/Qe)
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He better not enter the State Capitol of Mississippi, then.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at November 01, 2007 02:35 PM (O9Cc8)
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So, nunaim, you agree with General Petraeus' report on the status of things in Iraq, then?
And I've already addressed your consistency point. Please read carefully.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 01, 2007 07:20 PM (PGjzz)
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I'm willing to accept the idea that there's less killing in Iraq now than there was before, but holy shite! There'd better be! Look how long we've been there! Also: less killing doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Finally: mentioning the word "consistent" in your post does not mean that you've addressed the underlying issue, any more than simply mentioning the name "Petraeus" would mean that I'd answered your question.
Posted by: nunaim at November 02, 2007 08:02 AM (pAGPh)
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nunaim, I truly pity you. You clearly cannot comprehend even a three-line response of less than 100 words.
Please seek professional assistance immediately, before you do yourself harm with a dull butter knife.
Good day, Sir. I said, Good day!
Posted by: C-C-G at November 02, 2007 08:18 AM (PGjzz)
Well, it doesn't get any lamer than that, does it?
Posted by: nunaim at November 02, 2007 04:33 PM (22/Qe)
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I read but don't comment often here - nunaim, you are special, as in special olympics. Change topics to cover for your ass-spanking on door size speculation? sucks to not have state-supplied self esteem, no?
Posted by: Frank G at November 03, 2007 04:52 PM (Ydps9)
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First: I received no spanking, assward or anywhere else. CY and others here have established what they consider to be a baseline for credibility: anybody who's there (wherever the "there" happens to be) is credible, and anyone who's not there is not credible, no matter how much experience they have. Fine. By that standard, "I worked in construction one time" has to rate at least as low as "I was a general in Iraq up until last year." Probably less, don't you think? Let's be honest. And consistent. That's the standard CY has established. He's not even going with the measurement of someone who was there (and, by God, why can't we send Michael Yon over there to measure that door?!); he's making stuff up.
I don't care about how many nails he has pounded in the past; using his standard of proof, the fact that he is not actually standing in front of that door with a tape measure invalidates his speculation about the size.
Let's follow this through to the end. If the generals aren't to be listened to, why on God's green Earth should we listen to the bloviating of CCG, CY, or any of the other people here who have never been to Iraq (and quite possibly couldn't find it on a map)? They haven't been on the ground; what they say means nothing. Right? Isn't that the logic?
If the generals who served in Iraq are to be dismissed because they are not right this minute standing in the Green Zone, then the lip-flappage of those who've never even served means less than nothing.
Second, there was no subject change. This "subject change" bushwah is something you wingnuts fall back on when you can't think of anything else to say. It's as predictable as the change of seasons. Unless there's an actual subject change, you just wind up looking like someone who has just pissed his pants in public.
Posted by: nunaim at November 03, 2007 06:40 PM (7p+pM)
Unlike Iraq, which has multiple religious sects, tribal influences, political vendettas, and cultural differences that change constantly, a 2'8" door is always a 2'8" door. That is finite and does not change; it is not a 5' door one day and 1'11" door a month or a year later.
You seem to exist only to argue and so you are welcome to do so: somewhere else.
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I am sure nunaim can still read here, even if he can't reply, so one parting shot for the lefty who can't figure out that a door doesn't change size.
As far as the generals go, we're taking the word of a general who is in-theatre right now as opposed to the words of generals who left the theatre months or in some cases years ago.
In fact, one of those generals who has already left is the one responsible for the situation that the one that's there now had to clean up!
nunaim obviously looks at last month's paper for the weather report as well, rather than today's.
Good day, nunaim. I said good day, and it is a good day, cause I won't have to put up with you anymore.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 04, 2007 02:52 PM (PGjzz)
Of course, the news here is that The New Republic still had advertisers!
Not, for long we hope, but that depends on you contacting TNR's advertisers.
This isn't a matter of "pro-war" versus "anti-war" as many have tried to frame this story, but a matter of right versus wrong, truth versus fiction, and media accountability versus editors run amuck.
So agrees Richard Peters, a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, who stated of Beauchamp back in August that "People like him really get under my skin," and referred to the fabulist as a "loser." Peters may be on the opposite side of the war from I, but both of us agree that Beauchamp "spread elaborate lies."
We—and you—agree that obviously false stories such as those in "Shock Troops" harm the reputations of all soldiers, whether they are military veterans who have come to be against the conflict such as Peters, or they are currently-serving servicemen who want to see the mission through, or they are veterans who have served our country with honor in the past.
And so I say to you: Pick an advertiser, and respectfully ask them if the sick fantasies told in The New Republic and proven false by a formal military investigation are worth supporting with their ad dollars.
My guess is that advertisers can reach this same demographic by advertising through similar magazines that still support our troops.
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1. What Beauchamp did or didn't do, and what he wrote or didn't write, has no effect on the honor of my service. That's just stupid.
2. What does affect my service is any attempt to shut up people who, in your view, fail to "support our troops." I served to keep those voices alive, not crush them. Despite its occasional glowing faults, TNR has served this country well for many years, and you demean all who served when you attempt to silence that voice.
Posted by: David Crisp at October 30, 2007 01:31 PM (yyYDC)
Posted by: arch at October 30, 2007 02:47 PM (tLED0)
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Why can't I find Peters in their list of Members?
I've been exposing these IVAW phonies for a week, and if there is one with his head on straight, I wanted to laud him, and now I go there and can't find anything...
"Our aim, to swat liars and leeches, hypocrites & humbugs, demagogs & dastards" -- The Yellow Jacket Moravian Falls, N.C., 1919
Just swatting some liars, hypocrites, and demagogs over here; pointing out their lies and hypocrisy to TNR's advertisers. Nobody's trying to shut them up -- that's the problem, TNR is the only one clamming up in this fiasco. It's all about the sunlight.
Posted by: capitano at October 30, 2007 03:00 PM (+NO33)
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I'm not sure where he went, TSO. This used to be his page. Perhaps he left the group?
A no-name liberal magazine that supported the war from the start. Feh. Some liberals.
Posted by: Johnny Coelacanth at October 30, 2007 03:40 PM (zBU6X)
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David, and others with reading comprehension problems:
Beauchamp is not the issue; journalistic malfeasance is. It is right and proper to point it out to management and advertisers, so as to correct the situation. It is regretably necessary to point out the fact that TNR in the persons of Foer and others have lied, mislead, attempted (pathetically) to stonewall, and to blame everyone but themselves for their own mistakes. Having to tell journalists that lying is wrong is not a good thing -- and I say that as someone who can append Kappa Tau Alpha after his name.
No one is trying to shut them down or deprive them of their right of speech -- we are just demanding they live up to the codes of journalism and of basic citizenship.
LW
Posted by: Laughing Wolf at October 30, 2007 03:43 PM (vjd/1)
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Despite its occasional glowing faults, TNR has served this country well for many years, and you demean all who served when you attempt to silence that voice.
What on God's Green Earth are you talking about, David?
News outlets should not lie. If their lies don't impact your service, or your view of it, how can debunking them do so?
I call shenanigans.
Posted by: Pablo at October 30, 2007 03:44 PM (yTndK)
Wrong description, TNR is self-described as the official in-flight magazine for Air Force One.
Posted by: capitano at October 30, 2007 03:55 PM (+NO33)
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Debunking is fine. Have at it. But suggesting to advertisers that buying space in TNR is somehow disloyal to troops can be nothing other than an attempt to shut the magazine down. Don't try to pretend it is anything else.
Posted by: David Crisp at October 30, 2007 05:15 PM (yyYDC)
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David, get a grip and some reading comprehension. It is not an attempt to shut down the magazine no matter how much you want to pretend that it is. It is an effort to correct serious journalistic malfeasance; and, there are others who serve who strongly disagree with you and say that what they have done -- and are doing by accusing the Army of crimes -- does smear them and their service. If you disagree, fine. So state. But to claim that this is all that it is and because you feel that way A has to equal C is logically and factually inaccurate.
Posted by: Laughing Wolf at October 30, 2007 05:24 PM (vjd/1)
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So, David, does that mean that MSNBC refusing to accept FreedomWatch's ad equates to MSNBC wishing to shut down FreedomWatch?
Or is it only eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil censorship if it's a lefty organization being targeted, and freedom of speech if it's a conservative organization?
Awaiting your reply eagerly, I say good day, sir.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 30, 2007 07:38 PM (ysloH)
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C-C-G, It isn't censorship in either case. And it has nothing to do with the politics of those involved. The issues would be exactly the same if people were targeting advertisers at National Review. Both magazines provide voices that need to be heard.
I have no idea what's going on with MSNBC and Freedom Watch. It's cowardly and disgraceful for broadcasters to reject ads because of controversial political content. One reason why big companies like that are so gutless is that they are afraid of pressure from advertisers. That is not behavior that should be encouraged.
Posted by: David Crisp at October 30, 2007 11:29 PM (yyYDC)
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Laughing Wolf, I do not pretend to speak for other veterans. And I do not want other veterans speaking for me.
Posted by: David Crisp at October 30, 2007 11:32 PM (yyYDC)
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demean all who served when you attempt to silence that voice
So now expressing "dissent" against media lies is somehow trying to silence someone eh?
Being nice was tried. It didn't work. The next step is economic pressure. NOBODY is compelled to purchase TNR product, and TNR has no right to EXPECT to be able to continue down this path of lies unimpeded and without backlash. This is a free market country.
All TNR needs to do is "do the right thing" and all will be forgiven.
Basically you believe that someone who lies to the public and doesn't come clean should be afforded license to do so free of consequence. That is a crock.
The 1st amendment offers no guarantees of audience, venue, continued economic prosperity, or freedom from negative consequences if your "speech" is found wanting by the consumers of said "speech". It just says you can say what you want even if its lies.
You need to read your constitution again David.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 31, 2007 12:02 AM (491+P)
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Isn't it amazing that David, who seems to place such a high value on honor, should have to be told- over and over again- that lying is wrong?
Or that he considers falsehoods as "dissent"?
Posted by: DaveP. at October 31, 2007 05:27 AM (+BG6H)
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C-C-G, It isn't censorship in either case. And it has nothing to do with the politics of those involved. The issues would be exactly the same if people were targeting advertisers at National Review. Both magazines provide voices that need to be heard.
David, do you really think that fiction offered as fact needs to be heard?
This is not an attempt to shut TNR down. This is an attempt to make them come clean, again, and to stop printing fairy tales told as fact.
Posted by: Pablo at October 31, 2007 07:55 AM (yTndK)
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Purple Avenger,
I doubt seriously that I need a lecture from you on what the Constitution says (or from DaveP on the morality of lying). I have not said, and would never say, that you have no right to go after TNR's advertisers. I'm just saying it shows bad judgment.
C-C-G,
Yes, fiction needs to be heard because no one has a monopoly on the truth. One man's gospel is another man's pack of lies. Try to stop lying and we would have shut down the entire political system. The whole point of having a marketplace of ideas is to let truth and error contend. Drive error out of the marketplace and you are just talking to yourself.
TNR printed a story advancing the unremarkable thesis that soldiers in bad situations sometimes do bad things. TNR has been snookered before, and it may have gotten snookered again. How much punishment does that deserve? Ten percent of its business? A hundred percent?
Before you start down this road, you had better think hard about how far you really want to travel. There may be no turning back.
Posted by: David Crisp at October 31, 2007 03:40 PM (CoX14)
19 I had a whole screed planned here, on how the "marketplace of ideas" worked and how falsehoods were a way of gaming the system to recieve rewards unearned. But then I looked carefully at Crisp's little manifesto on the total subjectivity of truth and I realized that anyone who could put his name to a phrase like,
"Yes, fiction needs to be heard because no one has a monopoly on the truth"
was far too mentally dishonest to contend with- because to him, lying to support his own position would be the smart thing to do. There is no consensual reality in his world; we each make our own completely subjective one.
In other words, he's mentally ill.
So, David- now that you've announced that there is no truth and falsehoods are completely acceptable in the "marketplace of ideas", why do you expect your point of view to be accepted as anything other than a pack of bull? You've jsut told us all that you are the equivalent of a grocer who gives false weight; no-one here is buying your wares.
From an honorable soldier to a shortchanging shopclerk- what a letdown you are.
Posted by: DaveP. at October 31, 2007 05:22 PM (+BG6H)
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David, if there is no monopoly on truth, why are we to believe that what you say is true?
Those sort of statements are self-defeating, once looked at logically.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2007 06:54 PM (ysloH)
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Wow. I know that what I wrote was written in good faith, and I have to assume that DaveP read it in good faith. But there is so little relationship between what I thought I wrote and what he thinks he read that I am inclined to toss the whole exchange up as evidence for my notion that truth is difficult and slippery.
DaveP thinks that what I wrote was not only wrong but insane, the product of a depraved mind. But he sees things I didn't say; I never said, for example, that truth is totally subjective or that falsehoods are completely acceptable in the marketplace of ideas. I did not use those words, and I did not intend those meanings. Yet he has managed to find those meanings in my post. For him, that passes for the truth.
Look, I say all this as someone who has been a working journalist for 25 years. I don't believe that truth is purely subjective, but I do believe that it can be damned hard to pin down. Lord knows, I have made my share of mistakes, sometimes on facts I thought I had double and triple checked.
The point is that a marketplace of ideas that allows no margin for error is no marketplace at all. People screw up. I have never screwed up as badly as TNR has, but I can assure you that when I watched "Shattered Glass," a chill went up my spine. There but for the grace of God ... .
So C-C-G, there is no reason at all why you should believe anything I say. I said I am a veteran, but I could be lying. I said I am a journalist, and I could be lying about that, too. As the old saying goes, if your mama says she loves you, check it out.
Posted by: David Crisp at October 31, 2007 09:15 PM (yyYDC)
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David, I prefer Reagan's dictum: "Trust, but verify."
However, to your main point:
The point is that a marketplace of ideas that allows no margin for error is no marketplace at all. People screw up. I have never screwed up as badly as TNR has, but I can assure you that when I watched "Shattered Glass," a chill went up my spine. There but for the grace of God ... .
Let me point out that there was--as has been revealed here by CY himself more than once--practically no effort made to verify Beauchamp's stories.
Publishing stories without verification is hardly justifiable, unless you know they are fictional. And if you do--as TNR might have--not to describe them as fictional is a deliberate falsehood and quite possibly fraudulent.
I'm sorry you don't seem able to comprehend that simple concept.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2007 09:33 PM (ysloH)
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nice try, David. I honor you for your service, if, in fact, you served. I also totally disregard anything you said after: "Yes, fiction needs to be heard because no one has a monopoly on the truth"
Is there a phrase for committing "credibility-hara-kiri"?
Posted by: Frank G at November 03, 2007 05:08 PM (Ydps9)
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He's a twice-AWOL serial liar with a pending mental health evaluation who can't write believable military fiction EVEN WHILE IN THE MILITARY. He's powerless, has been tried, found guilty and punished, and at this point, a distraction. We've been focusing on the wrong things.
What matters is the New Republic's advertisers. No, not their editors, their advertisers.
We know that TNR allowed all three of Scott Beauchamp's stories to be published without being competently fact-checked, if fact-checked at all.
We know that the editors of TNR, led by Franklin Foer, lied when they said that the stories had been competently fact-checked, we know they deceived their readers and misled at least one civilian expert in an attempt to create a whitewash of an investigation.
We know The New Republic attempted to stonewall their way through obvious, blatant, and grievous breaches of journalistic ethics. In so doing, they have attacked the service, integrity, and honor of an entire company of American soldiers serving in a combat zone to avoid taking responsibility for their own editorial and ethical failures.
Foer will win the current game we're playing because he can stonewall his way though it. It is obvious his bosses don't care as long as it doesn't cost them money.
So we change the game.
Below are a list of recent advertisers that have placed ads with either the print edition of The New Republic or the web site tnr.com.
I'd ask U.S. military veterans, military families, active duty personnel, and the vast majority of Americans who support our servicemen and women to call these companies, institutions and agencies to pull their advertising from TNR, effective immediately.
Advertising with The New Republic represents a tacit support of their on-going support of an obvious lie, a continuing, unapologetic assault on the reputation of an American Army unit presently deployed in combat.
Advertising in The New Republic sends a message that advertisers do not care about journalistic ethics, or what most would consider editorial fraud.
I would ask advertisers to pull all of their advertising from the print edition of The New Republic and tnr.com until the senior editors responsible for this debacle are disciplined, with those at the top resigning.
The New Republic doesn't have an obligation to support the troops, or support the war in Iraq. It does have an obligation to retract stories for which they can provide no support.
Canwest MediaWorks, the Canadian company that owns The New Republic, does not have an obligation to decide the editorial policies of The New Republic, but it does have an obligation to discipline all editors who have refused to act ethically, who have misled readers, and who have attacked the military for defending itself from proven falsehoods and gross exaggerations (email Canwest Global CFO John McGuire at jmaguire@canwest.com, and be polite but firm).
We cannot force The New Republic to behave honorably, but we can make their dishonesty come at a price.
Update: I just had a conversation with a friend who had been the target of a boycott, and I agree that the best way to address this is to respectfully ask advertisers to pull their advertising from TNR as a show of support for the troops. The post above has been edited to reflect that.
Update: Added Canwest's CFO email address (h/t Tara).
10/29 Update: Steve Lunceford, Director of Global Communications for Bearing Point, states that "I believe we haven't advertised with that publication in years." As they are not apparently an advertiser, I'm striking them from the list.
And yet, the New Republic has them on a list of " recent advetisers" according to their Media Kit (PDF).
Posted by: Jim C at October 29, 2007 08:18 AM (4kUWR)
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"Keep Dreaming": Tell it to Dan Rather. You can currently find him on a Z-list cable channel, as I recall.
Foer might want to send a resume to his local shopping rag, just in case. Perhaps he can nail down that prestigious editorial slot in the tattoo parlor/strip joint section.
Posted by: Foer is Going Down at October 29, 2007 08:18 AM (NdG3x)
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Just - as as Canuck, you can contact the Asper family and ask them if they know what Foer and the rest of his band of incompetent traitors are doing with their magazine! Yes, TNR is owned by the same Aspers as Canwest Global - and while they may be Liberals, Izzy at least has always been a strong supporter of Israel and the Asper papers have been pretty supportive of the Canadian mission in Afghanistan. Let them know that this is not how their mag should be run.
Posted by: holdfast at October 29, 2007 08:19 AM (eK7/0)
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Actually, the family that owns The New Republic resides in Canada.
Posted by: Letalis Maximus, Esq. at October 29, 2007 08:23 AM (/2PV1)
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Let me get this straight: I'm supposed to politely tell the NY Times to pull *their* advertising because TNR hasn't supported the troops and prints lies and then doesn't retract them. And my threat against the NY Times is that I won't buy their product any more ... which I never have done in the first place.
Seems to me that the threat could equally well be made that if TNR keeps on pushing NY Times advertising, I'll be boycotting Foer and Gang.
But the overall concept is probably not a bad idea.
Posted by: NahnCee at October 29, 2007 08:30 AM (u6Iyt)
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TNR readers have one characteristic that truly endears them to the advertisers.
They will believe any idiotic thing they are told.
Good luck prying advertisers away from such a gullible pack of twits.
Posted by: Phillep at October 29, 2007 09:08 AM (WE4Tw)
CanWest Global
Investor Relations
John Maguire, Chief Financial Officer
Email: jmaguire@canwest.com
Bad PR, boycotts, journalistic integrity or lack thereof, affect the corporate bottom line, stock prices, and by fiat, affect shareholders and investors!
Posted by: Tara at October 29, 2007 09:18 AM (Dqxeq)
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But above all people, be nice. As Tara said "firm but polite"
Posted by: glenn at October 29, 2007 09:22 AM (zp+Xy)
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SWJ,
As a Kansas University - Jawhawk grad., it cuts me far deeper. (U-press is KU/Lawrence, KS based)
I'll be sure to put in a Alumni complaint for their advertising in an elitist propaganda tool.
mr
PS - For those unaware, Wildcat is Kanas State University mascot.
Posted by: Michael Reed at October 29, 2007 10:00 AM (Bmk7w)
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Great Googly Moogly, I regularly do business with 80% of the companies on that list. All the publishers, Ford, GM.... er, "did."
Perhaps you could indicate which titles the presses are plugging in TNR. (I'm not a TNR reader, so I can't honestly claim to be boycotting the mag. Although it's true that I haven't clicked through to a link there since Scotty and Fabricating Franklin slimed me and every other vet). The point of learning which titles have been promoted is this: we may be able to get some individual authors to distance themselves from Foer's anti-military 'tude.
I can go without buying books for a while. I have books piled up waiting to be read (doesn't everybody?). I have to replace a pickup truck soon but I think I could learn to live with a Toyota.
I note that that list of advertisers is probably a group that's a soft touch for anything Manhattanite and upscale. I wonder if they're not represented by only two or three ad agencies, who direct a percentage of their buys to various cheap low-circulation ads at outfits like TNR that claim upscale demographics.
the advertisers are there because they're interested in giving money to a liberal magazine and because they're interested in the readers.
in order for your plan to work, you're going to have to convince the advertisers they have more to lose from a bunch of pissed off right wingers than from than from the ridicule they'd face from TNR supporters for caving into a bunch of deranged right wingers.
you really think you can pull that off? I'm not going to go buy an Apple because Microsoft refuses to stop advertising in TNR, nor am I going to stop using fedex. Pressure campaigns come, they go, boycotts come and go, but in the end, supporters of left wing causes keep on supporting.
and even if you were to get some advertisers to pull out, no self-respecting magazine (which, in their eyes if not yours, they are) will ever admit to making editorial decisions with an eye to the ad side of the business. if anything, this campaign will make it even more unlikely that the editorial side will ever admit they're wrong.
but go ahead... at least if you've got nothing better to do with your time.
Posted by: steve sturm at October 29, 2007 11:17 AM (sWhRW)
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Uh, no. The Army didn't pick TNR as its target, TNR picked the Army as its target.
Posted by: TallDave at October 29, 2007 12:07 PM (oyQH2)
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As evidenced by some commenters, to what can all of this leftist nonsense be attributed?
...I call it RCD, a reading comprehension deficiency.
Posted by: everydayjoe at October 29, 2007 12:15 PM (/c1gr)
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*I just fired off this e-mail to Mr. McGuire at CanWest. Now to get cracking on that e-mail to Wyeth.....
******************
Dear Mr. McGuire,
I'm writing to ask you to take a close look at the controversy surrounding
the publication of stories by Scott Thomas Beauchamp at The New Republic, a
magazine which your company owns.
It seems to me that the magazine is being poorly managed at present. Its
editorial slant doesn't matter to me-- I don't buy it anyway, as its
collectivist sensibilities appall me, libertarian that I am. What bothers
me is the poor example its present management sets for the opinion-magazine
industry as a whole-- that one can print lies, and those lies having been
exposed, one can stonewall the public indefinitely without consequences to
the pay, privileges, or continued employment of those responsible for the
publication of those lies, witting or not.
I ask that your company take whatever steps it deems appropriate to prevent
such a ridiculous situation from happening at The New Republic again.
Wyeth Laboratories is an advertiser in The New Republic. In my capacity as
a small shareholder in Wyeth, I will write to Wyeth's management, asking
them to cease advertising in The New Republic if the Beauchamp controversy
is not resolved soon.
Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
Amos Hale Adams
(address and phone number deleted)
Posted by: Hale Adams at October 29, 2007 12:33 PM (lDAHj)
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The alternative is to do nothing. So you might as well e-mail the advertisers and ask all your friends to do the same.
Posted by: cv at October 29, 2007 01:11 PM (GmamD)
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You would do better to include an example letter which could be copied and modified. Most people will get tied up trying to toss something together and either be unclear orsound raving. I would have copied a couple paragraphs for the information and edited it to fit my view, but for some reason it's near impossible to select text from your site. Perhaps a good tactic in dealling with those who would qute you out of context, but not very usefull in a letter writing campaign.
Posted by: bcismar at October 29, 2007 01:37 PM (zhVlW)
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Michael Yon has an interesting post about this. He's been in Iraq with Beauchamp's unit. Apparently Beauchamp is handling this thing in a way which the editors of TNR could never understand. He has apparently cleared the air with his fellow soldiers, and is continuing to serve honorably in combat. If this is correct (and Yon has far more credibility on these matters than just about anyone) then my hat is off to Beauchamp--whatever one may think of what he wrote, he demonstrated considerable courage and fortitude. If he can earn the respect of his fellow soldiers, he has mine as well. And the weasels at TNR look even more shameful by his example.
(If you go to Yon's site, consider sending him some $$. He's one of the best.
Posted by: boatbuilder at October 29, 2007 01:38 PM (KKHCh)
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Since so few of you 27 percenters read, I am confident your boycott will do more to please your senses than to hurt TNR, who, by the way, have not lied. They release facts as they come in (except the leaked ones, you guys do that!)
Posted by: rishy at October 29, 2007 02:52 PM (eFoc8)
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"They release facts as they come in (except the leaked ones, you guys do that!)"
Were you born that dumb, or did you have to work at it?
By the way: check out Rasmussen. Guiliani 46% Phony Mrs. Clinton: 44%
And thats before there's an obvious GOP frontrunner. Even Freds at a statistical dead heat with her shrillness.
"27 percenters"
LOL
Posted by: TMF at October 29, 2007 03:04 PM (KTgUG)
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Tell me rishy... what are those facts that TNR has released as they came in?
That their author was married to one of their fact-checkers, so they didn’t think his stories needed to be checked?
That all three of his stories have key details that are either suspect, or proven false?
The have not reported that they have been unable to find the “burned woman” after more than three months. Not only have they not been able to find her, they haven’t been able to prove she ever existed.
Jason Zengerle,a TNR senior editor assigned to “re-report” Beauchamp’s claims, was told that the base in Kuwait considered this story an urban legend or myth, months ago. He has not released that.
Civilian contractors working at the base, such as William “Big Country” Coughlin who work at the base, flatly deny such a woman ever existed. TNR has not released that.
TNR has been unable to find a single person to corroborate on the record that children’s bones were found while digging at COP Ellis. They have not reported that fact.
Soldiers claim that MICH helmets used by our soldiers are too-form-fitting to wear a skull fragment as described. They have not reported that at all.
TNR has not reported that Doug Coffey, the BAE spokesman they interviewed about Bradley IFVs, states that it is very unlikely that a driver could do what Beauchamp claimed, and that when they interviewed him, they were careful not task him about the specific allegations.
TNR accused the military of stonewalling their FOIA request, when in fact they sent it to the wrong branch of the Army. Somehow, they for got to mention that, too.
Virtually the only fact we can be sure that the editors of The New Republic were honest about is that Scott Beauchamp is the author, and that at this point, they will say or do almost anything to keep their jobs.
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Your desperation is showing. You all need to find a real controversy to get your panties all twisted about (like, um, no WMD, torture, Gonzales, face-shooting, FISA, sub-standard healthcare for veterans, etc). This is not the controversy for you. It is a non-controversy. Relax.
Clearly the military leaked to Drudge, TMF. I was born dumb, but now have a voice. You, however, are simply uninformed, which, if you choose, can be fixed.
Posted by: rishy at October 29, 2007 03:39 PM (eFoc8)
Posted by: TMF at October 29, 2007 03:45 PM (KTgUG)
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Isn't funny how -- without exception -- when TNR defenders turn up and are confronted with the laundry list of TNR's misconduct, they immediately switch to "it's no big deal?" and throw in a list of their complaints about other issues with no defense of their merits?
Posted by: Karl at October 29, 2007 04:00 PM (1kFD4)
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"You all need to find a real controversy to get your panties all twisted about (like, um, no WMD, torture, Gonzales, face-shooting, FISA, sub-standard healthcare for veterans, etc). This is not the controversy for you. It is a non-controversy. Relax."
Hey man, you want some real controversy? Check it out new GI Joe Kerfuffel. ROTFLMAO
Yes Rishy, and nuthin's changed there, has it? After all you are one of TNR's most valuable supporters - someone in their target demo: leftarded with a anti-miltary leaning:
Rishy:
"I am a public school teacher in.....Berkeley!"
Posted by: Justacanuck at October 29, 2007 04:21 PM (hgxwr)
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Rishy,
The burden of proof is on TNR, not the Army. I suggest you go back and read what Bob has been writing on this subject for the last couple of months before you try taking his arguments apart. It will keep you from looking like a fool.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 29, 2007 04:22 PM (vMRk5)
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rishy is unaware that Beauchamp has admitted he was not a witness to the supposed "Saddam-era dumping ground" incident (which appears to have been some buried animal bones) and was not a witness to a Bradley Fighting Vehicle killing dogs in the street.
rishy also seems to believe that the burden is on critics to prove the falsity of Beauchamp's claims when the burden was on TNR to reliably factcheck them. Instead, the transcripts show that it was TNR pressuring Beauchamp to confirm his stories, not the Army.
Posted by: Karl at October 29, 2007 04:22 PM (1kFD4)
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Grey Fox said: "I suggest you go back and read what Bob has been writing on this subject for the last couple of months before you try taking his arguments apart. It will keep you from looking like a fool."
Umm, I beg to differ there Fox. Nothing will keep Rishy from looking the fool that they are.
Posted by: bcismar at October 29, 2007 06:07 PM (zhVlW)
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TNR appreciates all of the right wings attempts to increase its circulation. It was a little known or read perodical until rather lately.
Posted by: John Ryan at October 29, 2007 06:12 PM (TcoRJ)
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Hey Mike,
Note that those soldiers haven't been in Iraq since last year. One of them is talking about being shot at in Ramadi (which is described as capital of the "volatile" Al Anbar province. Anbar and Ramadi are now quiet...
Oh, when my medic brother-in-law went to Baghdad, he joined a unit that had been in Baghdad for 9 months and had yet to experience a single casualty due to enemy action. My sister, also a medic, said that when she was stationed out in the provinces the biggest problems where muscle strain and sports-related injuries. This is at the same time those guys in the article were serving.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 29, 2007 06:57 PM (vMRk5)
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It's not about attack, attack, attack, Mike. Individual soldiers will handle the stresses of war differently. Hundreds of thousands of our men and women in uniform have served in Iraq. Some have handled the horrors of war better than others. I honor them all. That doesn't mean the fight doesn't need to be fought.
Furthermore, I noticed you chose an article that interviews a soldier on active duty in Iraq from August 2005 to July 2006. Things have changed since then. There's a new approach that, indeed, seems to be working.
Posted by: James W, Hanau, Germany at October 29, 2007 07:17 PM (hsu/F)
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Rishy, everyone is born dumb. One must really exert one's self to remain so.
Congratulations, the end result of all that hard work is apparent to anyone with two functioning brain cells.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 29, 2007 07:48 PM (ysloH)
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I know that I am new at this blog...but, why delete the comments from Mike. He was at least somewhat on topic with the "phony soldiers" comment.
Deleting and editing comments are tactics used by liberal blogs to eliminate debate. I can't get more than 3 or 4 comments in on most liberal blogs before I get blocked. I use no profanity nor insults. I think that is our chance to win some of the minds from the other side...even if it is just 1 out of a 100 chance.
Is Mike a known troll?
Posted by: James W, Hanau, Germany at October 29, 2007 07:51 PM (hsu/F)
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Hit them where it hurts – the wallet. A boycott is a good idea.
Posted by: Ledger1 at October 29, 2007 07:53 PM (eFww9)
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Ok, Bob just made it clear for me why my last comment was naive...which is probably an understatement. Good grief.
Posted by: James W, Hanau, Germany at October 29, 2007 08:25 PM (hsu/F)
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Mike does have a point; how do you plan going about boycotting the conservative fountainhead known as Hoover Institute?
Posted by: Jaxebadt at October 29, 2007 11:17 PM (MLOYS)
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I didn't give a damn about this controversy until I read the news of this so-called "boycott." Now my wife and I are going to subscribe to TNR just to piss you guys off. I'm sure the guys at TNR are grateful for helping to increase their circulation!!! Keep up the good work!!
Posted by: Angry liberal at October 29, 2007 11:27 PM (ErmiW)
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There's a certain amount of comedy (or is it irony) here - because the New Republic has been the subject of attacks for years from the Left (trademark pending) most recently due to 1) it's support of the Iraq War 2) it being home to a set of neoconservative liberals and 3) it basically being somewhat irrelevant YET annoyingly self important.
Posted by: shingles at October 30, 2007 12:14 AM (nzZyQ)
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OK now the left is going to go after Pajamas Media advertisers. And there are rather more of them so its much more likely that they will be taken notice of.
Glenn Beck is rather more vulnerable after telling South California that the reason their homes are burning is because they hate America. Orange County not known for its anti-wingnut politics but there you go.
The whole wingnut whine over the NRO's failure to renounce the story after the military ground a 'retraction' out of Beauchamp is ridiculous.
Posted by: PHB at October 30, 2007 07:14 AM (53XGg)
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Why is it that far left wing fanatical nutjobs like PHB refuse to add that Randi Rhodes claimed that Blackwater started the fire?
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PHB, what about Harry Reid claiming that global warming caused the fires, then backing off it?
What about Barbara Boxer claiming that it's all Booooooooosh's fault because the National Guard is in Iraq, when there's only 3,000 California Guardsmen in Iraq, and over 18,000 still in California (1,500 activated to fight the fires already, 17,000 standing by) according to the Times?
What next? If you walk up to a soda machine, and it says "Use Exact Change," and you don't have the exact amount, is that the fault of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy?
Posted by: C-C-G at October 30, 2007 08:28 AM (ysloH)
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Oops, the LA Times link didn't format correctly for some reason. Here ya go, in handy TinyURL format:
http://tinyurl.com/34xbnw
And, just for good measure, the actual quote:
Lt. Gen. H. Steven Blum, head of the National Guard Bureau, said Tuesday that the war in Iraq has not diminished the Guard's ability to assist fire-fighters.
Although the California guard currently has 3,000 soldiers deployed overseas, "We were very, very careful to not take capabilities away from the state of California that might be useful in fighting forest fires," Blum said.
About 1,500 California National Guard members have been activated to assist with the fires, and another 17,000 are available, if needed, officials said.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 30, 2007 08:31 AM (ysloH)
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Well, darn. I'll contact Amazon.com and Ford. Ford appears to be seeking corporate suicide by tailoring their advertising message to the NY/SF liberal crowd these last few years. Fellas, those folks drive Lexus, Infiniti, Mercedes, BMW, and Volvo. If you're gonna advertise with lib publications, at least do it under the Volvo or Range Rover name.
Posted by: funky chicken at October 30, 2007 11:20 AM (I+jPP)
Posted by: George at October 30, 2007 12:27 PM (ld6iH)
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Advertising Age snarks:
Military bloggers and bloggers from the right are calling for a boycott of marketers who advertise in The New Republic. Of course, the news here is that The New Republic still had advertisers!
Good point!
And then they post a link to the LA Times bilge:
UPDATE: Of course, there are two sides to every story.
I suspect the kids at AA haven't yet read the fisking the silly LAT article prompted.
Posted by: Justacanuck at October 30, 2007 12:33 PM (hgxwr)
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"I suspect the kids at AA haven't yet read the fisking the silly LAT article prompted."
Does anyone actually read "Fiskings" anymore? They're sooo 2003.
Posted by: scarshapedstar at October 30, 2007 02:26 PM (UrMkD)
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This is a bad idea. Stick to learning things and exposing facts, not these types of lobbying efforts. It smacks of overreaching, bullying, and is likely to be pathetically unsucsessful as well. Just stick to exposing truth. Not agitating to put TNR out of business.
Posted by: TCO at October 30, 2007 02:52 PM (UzjcV)
That doesn't appear to be the goal. Putting Franklin Foer out of a job is, and would be a good thing.
It's all about keeping them honest.
Posted by: Pablo at October 30, 2007 03:50 PM (yTndK)
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"Scott Beauchamp ... has been tried, found guilty and punished,"
When did this happen? I'm not suggesting it didn't happen, you understand. I have no doubt that a bunch of yahoos who can organize a lynch mob would probably have no trouble convening a kangaroo court, but really, who played the judge? Uncle Bob?
And you've just got to love the imagination it takes for sedentary men to describe sending an e-mail as something they "fired off."
Keep up the good work, ladies and gentlemen. You never fail to get a laugh.
Posted by: marc page at October 30, 2007 08:05 PM (zS2db)
The Army did all of the above internally. That's not a "kangaroo court," that's a legal option available to the Army under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), 10 U.S.C. ch.47, passed by Congress 5 May 1950 and signed into law by President Harry S. Truman (D) on 31 May 1951.
Clearly, you think you know far more than you actually do know. If you wish to avoid being laughed at, you might engage in a little research before shooting your mouth off... and I don't mean just looking around DailyKOS and DemocraticUnderground.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 30, 2007 08:34 PM (ysloH)
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I am way ahead of you on GM and Ford. I don't buy anything but MOPAR.
Hoover Institute might be a tough one. I am a big fan of Dr. Thomas Sowell.
Posted by: Guy Montag at October 30, 2007 09:08 PM (AiJXe)
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Okay, genius, enlighten me. Please list the charges brought against Mr. Beauchamp under the UCMJ, and then direct me to some official verification of the verdict and sentence.
Posted by: marc page at October 30, 2007 09:38 PM (zS2db)
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By the way, Harry Truman's dead; and has been for quite a while. (And some people, of certain racial and ethnic backgrounds, might say: not a moment too soon.)
Posted by: marc page at October 30, 2007 09:40 PM (zS2db)
Well, darn. I'll contact Amazon.com and Ford. Ford appears to be seeking corporate suicide by tailoring their advertising message to the NY/SF liberal crowd these last few years. Fellas, those folks drive Lexus, Infiniti, Mercedes, BMW, and Volvo. If you're gonna advertise with lib publications, at least do it under the Volvo or Range Rover name.
Um, not to put too fine a point on this, but ... are you even aware who owns Volvo? And, until they complete the sale, Range Rover?
Hint: the family still owns controlling interest in the firm. And they're not named Quandt.
Posted by: stickler at October 30, 2007 10:09 PM (nT/Ub)
The actual punishment is not named there, but the investigation and results are there, as well as several recommendations regarding what to do.
I found those documents with a Yahoo! search of less than 10 seconds... and it took a bit longer than usual because I deliberately avoided sites that you would claim had some bias.
Good day, sir. I said, good day.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 30, 2007 10:17 PM (ysloH)
What happened to "found guilty, tried and punished" ?
Maybe if you put your back into it -- invest a little more than 10 seconds of your busy blogging today -- maybe, just maybe you can come up with something
Onus probandi, baby ...
[And, unlike your sarcastic sign-off, I really do hope you have a good day; a day untainted by phony outrage over inconsequential matters.]
Posted by: marc page at October 31, 2007 01:51 AM (zS2db)
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Legal Review of AR 15-6 Investigation Regarding Allegations of Soldier Misconduct Published in The New Republic" (PDF) is part of the findings against him, but the document that explains that he was found guilty of violating AR 530-1 OPSEC and what caused him to be busted in rank from PV-2 down to PV-1 has not yet been released.
This was an administrative punishment, not an article 32. He was investigated in two investigations, found guilty, and punished in both. That is beyond dispute.
Perhaps I was imprecise to use the word "tried," as I don't know the legal mechanisms used here, but I don't think so. At worst, it's splitting hairs.
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Marc, you're the one making Mount Everest out of a molehill.
The investigation and conclusions are clearly listed in that document. Anyone with more than two functioning brain cells can see that.
The concept that the United States Army, following an investigation of the sort detailed in that document, would sit on its hands and do nothing to punish the Soldier involved is so ludicrous as to be on a par with sightings of the Great Pumpkin.
Your little semantic games are just that... little, and games.
Good day, sir. I said, good day.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2007 08:29 AM (ysloH)
Thank you very much for your interest in The New Republic . Your concerns were forwarded to me from John Maguire in our corporate offices.
While getting conclusive information on the Beauchamp file has been challenging, the editorial team posted an update on the website last Friday, October 26.
You will have a complete response soon.
From a business perspective, the Baghdad Diarist represented 3 pages of over 1,100 editorial pages published during the past year. Yet, it has accounted for a hugely disproportioned amount of time in trying to deal with the response.
Please be assured that we share your interest in transparency and in clarifying TNR's position as soon as possible.
Once we publish the final findings of our investigation, we hope that your confidence in The New Republic will be fully restored.
Sincerely,
Elizabeth Sheldon
Publisher
Elizabeth W. Sheldon
Publisher
The New Republic
1331 H Street NW, Ste. 700
Washington, DC 20005
esheldon@tnr.com
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Publishers and owners hate stuff which takes "a disproportionate amount of time".
So keep the pressure on!
Posted by: Jay Currie at October 31, 2007 12:14 PM (ZYnHZ)
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[And, unlike your sarcastic sign-off, I really do hope you have a good day; a day untainted by phony outrage over inconsequential matters.]
Marc, when Foer finally resigns or is handed his walking papers, perhaps you could be there to ask him as he passes through the doors of TNR for the last time (and while he can still recall the specifics) just how inconsequential this matter is?
Listen carefully to his answer. You might learn something.
Posted by: Justacanuck at October 31, 2007 12:15 PM (hgxwr)
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Jay, sending you a form letter probably took like 10 seconds.
Posted by: bob at October 31, 2007 07:08 PM (JF2MH)
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Mr. Foer will leave TNR when it suits him to leave. If you all imagine for one minute that incessant whining from a group of people who never had any prior interest in the magazine, and who are not likely to bother with it in the future, then it seems to me that you've long passed the high-water mark on delusions of grandeur.
But then, it's probably better that you all keep yourselves occupied this way. No telling what kind of mischief you'd get up to out in the real world.
Take care, gentlemen. It's been a treat chatting with you.
Posted by: marc page at October 31, 2007 07:31 PM (zS2db)
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Marc, in the real world, people are held accountable for their actions in publishing falsehoods.
I suspect that you inhabit a fantasy world. If you ever entered the real world, you'd probably need to change your pants after you recovered from your faint.
Nevertheless, I do wish you a good day. I said, good day, sir.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2007 07:42 PM (ysloH)
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Yup, Bob, it was a form letter with a copy to a chap who I suspect John Maguire handed the file to saying "Bury this pile of shit. Get whoever it is who is the publisher of this magazine which we somehow were suckered into buying and tell her to get these people out of my inbox." Hence the letter.
I wrote back to Ms. Sheldon - at somewhat lesser length than our host - suggesting that it was time for TNR to get down to being open and forthright about their having published fiction as fact and then, having been called on it, have stonewalled for three months.
I don't expect I will hear back from Ms. Sheldon which will be the hook I use to drop this back on Maguire's desk with copies to David and Leonard Asper and the various members of the CanWest Board.
I will also be taking a look at when the CanWest AGM is being held and may buy a share or two and have a bit of fun during question time.
The point being to make the disgrace of the TNR's Editors' conduct unpleasant for a bunch of people who cannot imagine why any sane business person would buy such a magazine other than as a "vanity purchase". Given that the CanWest "A" shares have lost nearly 50% of their value in 2007, this is the sort of issue which can cause significant pain all the way to the top.
Foer is a deadman walking; it is now only a question of whether he falls on his own sword or has it driven in to the hilt by Ms. Sheldon on orders from Mr. Maguire at the request of the Aspers.
Posted by: Jay Currie at November 01, 2007 12:35 AM (ZYnHZ)
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Seems like Amazon.com has changed the form on the contact page you were linking to. It's gone from an email form to customer service, to an email form specifically made for media contacts.
I was able to navigate to the new customer service form, but it now requires that you login and enter a recent order number before you can submit.
Luckily, I just bought a Bunn coffee maker 2 weeks ago, so I had that order number recorded in my amazon.com account.
I suppose proving that you actually _are_ an amazon customer will give the request more weight than otherwise.
Posted by: monsewage x at November 02, 2007 05:22 AM (xjceM)
There are so many fact errors, hinted slurs and innuendoes piled into Tim Rutten's "Drudge, New Republic battle over 'Baghdad Diarist,' that reading it, you would think you were reading the L.A. Times... oh wait.
You were.
Without fisking every line, here is why Tim Rutten should never be mistaken for a journalist.
He described the ridicule of a disfigured Iraqi woman, attempts to run over stray dogs with Bradley fighting vehicles...
The burned woman has never be described as being an Iraqi... Rutten is the first. Nor were the claims in the Bradley stories described as mere attempt; there were three successful and grisly killings alleged by the author.
The magazine determined that the incident involving the disfigured woman was concocted and corrected that...
No, the editors of TNR did not admit that anecdote was "concocted." They shifted the story to another time, in another country, but still maintain that it occurred.
The Army's investigators refused to release details of their findings...
Under federal privacy laws, the details of administrative cases cannot be released without Beauchamp's permission. He has not yet authorized this release.
Since then, Beauchamp has remained in Iraq with his unit and the magazine has been unable to communicate with him.
Beauchamp has use of his personal cell phone and laptop computer, landline telephone, and may arrange formal interviews with any news outlet that wants to speak to him through the PAO system. He has made the choice not to talk to them, at TNR's explicit request.
Both the New Republic -- still unable to determine whether its story was true or false...
The editors of the New Republic have purposefully suppressed testimony provided them from many sources, suppressed the identities of the experts they've interviewed (military and civilian) to keep others from conducting follow-up interviews, and misled experts and misused their statements to create a whitewash of an investigation. They have only done so because they have been able to determine that they cannot support these stories honestly, and because they cannot support their previous claims that these stories and previous stories by this author had been throughly fact-checked prior to publication.
Far more interesting was the fact that within several hours, Drudge had, without explanation, removed the "exclusive" from his website. The item still can be found in the report's archives, but links to the documents have been disabled. No notice or explanation is appended to the archived item.
Why?
It's a fascinating question, but in the orgy of pro-war Internet comment that surged through the blogosphere, no one bothered to ask in any serious way why Drudge might have dropped an item of this consequence so quickly.
The Drudge Report, by design, adds, reorders, and removes stories after several hours and has done it this way for roughly a decade. To imply that a normal cycling of stories is evidence of some admission of wrongdoing is either ignorant, or purposefully dishonest. Further, considering the size of the documents (2.21 MB, 2.73 MB, 2.89 MB, respectively) and the amount of traffic the site normally receives, bandwidth considerations were the far more obvious reasons these files were removed as the story cycled off the front page.
There are questions to be asked, though you won't see them in the pro-war blogosphere:
* Who leaked the documents to Drudge and why, among all the documents the Army must have collected in this case, was one of them a transcript that could be used to put Foer and Scoblic in a bad light?
It is rather obvious who leaked the documents, at least in general terms, which contrary to Rutten’s ignorance, was published in a widely-read and linked article on September October 25 and on other blogs. The documents came from the military, though most likely outside those directly involved. A reading of the transcript shows what many consider strong-arm attempts by Foer and Scoblic not to retract his story, on at least one occasion alluding the the author's wife, who worked at The New Republic.
* Why did Drudge take the documents down and why hasn't he explained his reasons for doing so?
Answered above, with common sense and normal procedure.
* Why has the Army kept Beauchamp in Iraq where it can control access to him and he's beyond the reach of any other jurisdiction?
Beauchamp is a soldier assigned to a combat unit in Iraq, and Beauchamp chose to remain with his unit in Iraq when given the option of leaving the Army.
* Why hasn't the Army complied with the New Republic's FOI request?
We can start with the fact that The New Republic, by their own statements, did not do the rudimentary legwork necessary to file their FOIA request with the necessary FOIA office in the beginning, creating unnecessary delays.
Once filed with the proper office, FOIA requests to overseas combat zones have documents compiled, transmitted back to the United States, undergo legal review, and then are released, if it is deemed that the material asked for can be released. Depending on the information they have asked for, it is quite possible that releasing some or all of the information they seem most interested in may violate Beauchamp's privacy rights.
Not that Rutten bothered to interview anyone in the CENTCOM FOIA office, or ask TNR about the nature of the information they requested.
Who knew the Army was awash in such compassion?
Al Anbar province, for starters, but current events don't seem to be Rutten's strongpoint, either.
Why the attempt to shift attention off the alleged fabulist, Beauchamp, and onto the editors of the magazine, who after initially supporting the invasion, have turned decisively against the war?
A solider who lied in a series of stories and who has been punished for those lies is a minor story once he drops out of the public spotlight; a national magazine editors attempting to orchestrate a cover-up, smear critics, and then attempts to play the victim card? That's news.
Not that Tim Rutten is capable of finding any. There is a reason he writes for the L.A. Times.
He's not a capable enough journalist to hack it in the blogosphere.
... "published in a widely-read and linked article on September 25"
I think you mean 'October 25'.
;-)
Good job, as usual.
Posted by: Justacanuck at October 28, 2007 12:05 AM (hgxwr)
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Agree with all except that the bandwidth stuff is speculation.
Posted by: TCO at October 28, 2007 01:40 AM (vZayl)
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I've wondered why Drudge would pull that link like he did. I don't know how his site works though, don't go there very often. I was following the story fairly closely and it did strike me as odd that he pulled the docs so quickly.
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You have to wonder what Foer etal are thinking at this point. Surely they know that there can be no end to this that doesn't make them look worse and worse. The phone call transcript makes them look outright scummy. And there are 60 some odd pages yet to come?
I mean, how hard would it be to put out a statement that "We thought this was true, but now we think some of it might have been fictitious. We're sorry."?
Too hard, apparently. The way this is panning out though Foer really is going to end up losing his job I'd guess, because like Dan Rather he's going to obfuscate and deny to the end.
And for what? For a story that in the end really means nothing. Captain Ahab and his whale.
Posted by: DaveW at October 28, 2007 06:24 AM (L04de)
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My nomination for best comment of the day (its still early though) on this subject from Winds of Change:
Isn't it sort of disappointing that one has to spend this much time telling journalists, and journalist's most ardent supporters, why it is important that journalists don't lie?
Yes.
Posted by: DaveW at October 28, 2007 06:35 AM (L04de)
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Why does Rutten think that Drudge's pulling the PDFs is of primary importance? The reason is either as Bob Owens suggests, or it's something else. Either way, TNR admits the documents are genuine, thus they are relevant to TNR's continuing cover-up. If Rutten thinks that's a story worth reporting...
Oh.
Has he displayed a similar uninterest in cover-ups when the naughty parties didn't share his politics and guild affiliations?
Posted by: AMac at October 28, 2007 07:48 AM (sXnZj)
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What is "the pro war blogosphere?" I suppose that means we should start calling the L.A. Times "al Qaeda's paper of choice"
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Thanks for the post. I had actually started drafting a response of my own to this horrendous article. You did a much better job and saved me the effort.
The intellectual dishonesty of the left is staggering. Deep down they know it and it must bother them. However, the end justifies the means, I guess. They'll whatever it takes to win politically. Even undermining the war effort.
If things continue to improve in Iraq the DNC is toast in '08. How pathetic is that? To be so invested in your own country losing a war that if it wins its bad for you politically. Its repugnant. The Dems will pay at the ballot box for this. They have to to....
Posted by: Tom Baker at October 28, 2007 08:43 AM (NaYIu)
The left knows that they are intellectually dishonest, but it does not bother them. The truth, to them, is of no moment so long as they are the ones in power. This has been a hallmark of the left all the way back to Lenin and Stalin.
That is why they are not worthy of being trusted with the power they so covet.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 28, 2007 09:02 AM (ysloH)
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I suggest filing a FOIA request to obtain a copy of TNR's FOIA request.
Posted by: anon at October 28, 2007 10:14 AM (673oZ)
"the New Republic -- still unable to determine whether its story was true or false..."
This kind of ends the discussion right there does it not? Given the nature of the allegations, any news organization that is "unable to determine whether its story was true or false" is obligated to assume they are false until further proven, and to say so quite cleary. All the rest is interesting, but utterly meaningless.
Posted by: Andrew X at October 28, 2007 10:20 AM (wjWjy)
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This is reminiscent of the Left's attempts to shift the burden of proof away from CBS during Rathergate.
First, the accusation presented as fact and which depends solely on eyewitness accounts or documentary evidence (the Memo). Second, the impeachment of the witness or documents by the blogs (MSWord Font on typewriter). Finally, the shifting of the burden of proof away from the original accusers and onto the blogs who are supposed to prove that the original accusation could not have happened (the $10,000 military typrewriter).
Don't fall for it. It may be fun to tease them, but it's TNR's responsibility to support its story -- it will have no incentive to do so if the focus is shifted away to the Army or Drudge or the blogs.
Posted by: capitano at October 28, 2007 10:32 AM (+NO33)
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I wish that I would have seen your post before I made mine. Coulda just linked over here.
When I saw the Drudge article I copied it and warned everybody to go there quickly before it went away. Just did not expect it to go away that quickly.
I doubt that PV1 Beauchamp's lawyer leaked the documents. I am guessing that PV1 Beauchamp did it himself, as soon as he got his hands on them, and sent them to Drudge, rather than the lawyer at the FORMER employer of his wife.
Posted by: Guy Montag at October 28, 2007 11:10 AM (otDb3)
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These so-called "Journalists" are half-men of a Dante-ian 10th Circle. You may or may not know that Dante's 9th Circle(in Hell/Inferno)was particularly reserved to arch-traitors of History~Judas(for betraying his Lord and friend Christ);and Brutus and Cassius(for betraying their friend;leader and Commander who forgave them
...spared their lives...for opposing him in the Pompian/Senate-Caesarian Civil War.Dante suffered these men the "honor" of being eternally devoured in the mouth of Lucifer at the center of Dis/Hell.A 10th Circle(proposed by yours truly)is (under)the SEAT of Satan. Why? PM metro/
half-men(whom C.S.Lewis called "men without chests")merit neither condign scorn of real men nor the BEAST himself.Consign them (as Romans of SPQR;or The Church's Judgment Angels to the truest "poena damni": FORGET THEM.
Arthur F. McVarish, Houston
Posted by: Arthur McVarish at October 28, 2007 02:33 PM (/xTUZ)
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"Without fisking every line, here is why Tim Rutten should never be mistaken for a journalist."
And then CY goes on to prove it beyond a shadow of doubt.
A superb effort on your part, Bob. Only one quibble -- the Army has released details on their findings, just not documentation relating to those details.
I wouldn't have mentioned that quibble but I'd hazard a conservative guess that 50% of what the MSM publishes as "details" is based on the same definition of details as the "details" the Army has provided thus far on this subject.
Posted by: Dusty at October 28, 2007 03:23 PM (1Lzs1)
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Administrative punishment is not public record, as is a court-martial. Leaking article 15 findings, letter of reprimand, or other record of adminstrative action would constitute a breach of privacy and is punishable under the UCMJ.
It is possible that Beauchamp himself (or his legal counsel) leaked the documents (as mentioned above). Don't know what purpose that could serve, other than to let the world know that neither he nor the Army is attempting to hide anything.
Posted by: Googootz at October 28, 2007 05:57 PM (PHsrg)
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Rutten's actually pretty sharp, and fair, on some issues. But I read the Rutten piece, and he missed the boat on that one! (The problem's not a TNR, right?!!)
Posted by: Americaneocon at October 28, 2007 06:01 PM (7Mzmk)
Posted by: vanderleun at October 28, 2007 10:06 PM (aisWD)
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Contrary to popular opinion, very few people are aware of this story outside of the blogosphere. It has and will continue to go nowhere.
Posted by: Yankee Stuck in the South at October 29, 2007 08:19 AM (piBmP)
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The LATimes is shedding circulation and advertising nearly as fast as the NYTimes. So that problem will take care of itself.
Posted by: Banjo at October 29, 2007 08:31 AM (1DQ52)
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Quick, someone call Mickey Kaus! We now have confirmation that *two* people read the LAT.
Posted by: Patrick Carroll at October 29, 2007 08:39 AM (l27kW)
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Uh... Mr. Stuck Yankee... didn't you read the article? This story was just covered--albeit very shoddily--in a large metropolitan newspaper. So while people may not have been aware of it before, many more are now, and if other leftymedia outlets start trying to defend TNR, that will just increase exposure.
Therefore, while your statement might have been true last month, or even last week, it's becoming less and less true with each passing day and with each leftymedia defense of this travesty of journalism.
Good day, I say, good day, Sir.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 29, 2007 08:40 AM (ysloH)
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I have read so much garbage from Timothy Rotten that I was not surprised nor disappointed. It's good that this typical L.A. Slimes columnist gets a good public Fisking
Posted by: Gerry at October 29, 2007 10:07 AM (SrsdS)
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BTW, I should get credit for exposing this story (as corona) - check out Michelle Malkin's site
There are four advertizers that could cause TNR to shut down. Visa, Allstate, Ford & GM.
Consider all the VISA card holding service members and their families who could switch to Master Card. We all get offers weekly. VISA took out a two page print ad. If they bolt, Foer will find himself looking at a major layoff. Certainly, the print business would fold.
Allstate Corporation is the largest insurance provider in the South, a region with very pro defense leanings. They bought the back cover.
General Motors & Ford Motor Company. Not only is the US DoD a major customer of these two auto giants, lots of service members and their families buy their cars.
BP (Now "Beyond Petroleum") will not intervene. The British public do not support the war and do not care about their own soldiers, much less ours.
The NYTimes wishes they had found Beauchamp themselves. The History channel is (or was until recently) owned by the grey lady.
Hoover is at Standford. They won't help and neither would Harvard.
If we focus on the key vulnerabilities of TNR - these four companies - we stand the best chance of succeeding.
A word of warning. Avoid unsubstantiated charges such as saying the Foer "knew" Scott was a fake. TNR has lawyers at the ready. It's better to ask the question, "Was TNR sloppy in their editing and factfinding or was it done deliberately?" Basically pose the question are they stupid or lying and stupid?
Some key language, "Do you want your good name and brand associated with the admittedly false story?" Mention that TNR's 60,000 circulation is down 100,000 in 2001.
One last suggestion. Sign your letter and provide a return address. Management will not take unsigned complaints seriously.
Arch
Posted by: Arch at October 29, 2007 02:14 PM (tLED0)
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If anyone wants the four CEO names and addresses, I have them on an excel spreadsheet.
Arch
Posted by: arch at October 29, 2007 02:25 PM (tLED0)
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Excellent points, however, as a long-time Drudge consumer, I have NEVER seen him pull a story this quickly, especially one that involves dogging other media. Something is definitely fishy or at least interesting about that aspect. Bandwidth argument is not persuasive to this layman, having seen massive posts requiring much more bandwidth stay up for days. Further light should be shone on this aspect.
thanks for your great work.
Bruce Stubblefield
Posted by: Bruce Stubblefield at October 29, 2007 02:26 PM (6w7xH)
Come on. Cut him some slack. Everyone knows that the LA Times keeps every fron page story that has ever run in their newspaper right their front page forever. When last measured the front page of the LA Times was approximately the size of Nevada.
Posted by: John Steele at October 29, 2007 05:50 PM (UtsE7)
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Quick question: Did Beauchamp describe the dog killings with Bradly's or with Strikers? I thought Strikers but I could be wrong and am too tired to search myself.
Posted by: Ayatrollah at October 29, 2007 06:42 PM (G6f5f)
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He's not a capable enough journalist to hack it in the blogosphere.
Awesome.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 29, 2007 06:53 PM (BQY7X)
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Under the circumstances, I'm not sure why everyone is so upset that government employees pretended to be journalists at a FEMA news conference last week.
Apparently some people at the L.A. Times -- and many other media outlets, for that matter -- do it every day.
Posted by: jblog at October 29, 2007 07:28 PM (iT+yB)
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Drudge still has the link to the docs and story at his website here:
In fact, that was one of the fishy details. Scotty claimed the Bradley swerved *right* to hit the dog. According to the active MilGuys, that put the pooch squarely in its blind spot. Plus, any decent doggy can easily outmaneuver a Bradley (heck, even this former 76P (supply clerk) knows that).
Posted by: PSGInfinity at October 29, 2007 07:52 PM (59A0x)
Posted by: Karridine at October 29, 2007 08:02 PM (oLRQI)
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Just a guess, but my thoughts as to why Drudge pulled the docs and removed the entire story was that the leaker asked him to, because it caused more heat than the leaker had anticipated and might get him (the leaker) into trouble.
But, that's just a guess I had at the time. The bandwidth thing about the pdf's is plausible, but why did he pull the entire story? Sure, he cycles stuff, but usually it goes down the page and new stuff is stacked on top.
He rarely pulls a story completely off the page, especially one with a "special" dedicated page, which only goes up for Drudge exclusives, usually.
Note that the "special" page is still online, just that Drudge removed all his own links to it.
Curiouser and curiouser. Does Drudge ever answer email? Maybe someone should just ask him.
Posted by: docweasel at October 29, 2007 08:59 PM (ACIZZ)
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Let's wait to see Rutten's point-by-point rebuttal before passing judgment.
Posted by: be fair at October 29, 2007 10:23 PM (U7Kee)
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Be Fair, is that coming out on the 32nd of next month, or the 33rd?
Posted by: C-C-G at October 29, 2007 10:32 PM (ysloH)
"the New Republic -- still unable to determine whether its story was true or false..."
This kind of ends the discussion right there does it not? Given the nature of the allegations, any news organization that is "unable to determine whether its story was true or false" is obligated to assume they are false until further proven, and to say so quite cleary. All the rest is interesting, but utterly meaningless.
Its called Mapes Law: if a news item is of indeterminate origin, and is of value to the leftist "narrative", it should be considered true unless proven false.
Posted by: docweasel at October 30, 2007 12:57 AM (ACIZZ)
Posted by: Ray Robison at October 30, 2007 01:04 AM (nEm84)
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Tom Baker [Dr. Who?]:The intellectual dishonesty of the left is staggering. Deep down they know it and it must bother them.
I don't agree; I've agonized over this question, but I think that deep down, liberals really don't know that they're embracing gargantuan stupidities, hypocrises, et cetera. I approach it as a matter of psychology-- as far as I can figure it, liberalism is inherently a refusal to accept the pain of moving into maturity, specifically, the understanding that the entire world is not about "me" and what "I" think/feel/etc.
About Drudge doing the peek-a-boo, I think that it's weird... but that's all it is: weird. It doesn't prove or disprove anything about those documents' bona fides any more than the moon turning purple. Someday we may find out why that happened, and chances are, it will have nothing to do with the hypotheses so far submitted.
Posted by: zeppenwolf at October 30, 2007 01:37 AM (wlotL)
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I can't help but wonder what the TNR editors would have done had the diaries been submitted with positive stories about the war, the military and the mission. Would they have double fact checked that or just spiked the story?
Posted by: Richard Palmer at October 30, 2007 02:16 AM (93+YW)
Posted by: mcgurk at October 30, 2007 09:10 AM (Ri74D)
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Just one minor nitpick before I agree with you - and I do agree with you 99.9+%. But:
"... why Tim Rutten should never be mistaken for a journalist."
Actually, he's not a journalist, not anymore, and not if you define "journalist" as "reporter". He's a columnist; there's a difference. Journalists are paid to report; columnists are paid to write opinion pieces. So it's inaccurate to judge him by reporting standards because he's an opinion-piece writer now, not a journalist.
That said, given that he's writing opnion pieces, it does behoove him to
1. Base his opinions on facts, and
2. Be accurate.
.. and Rutten does fail miserably on both counts. Mr. Owens here is correct in all his criticisms above, save the labeling of an opinion columnist as a journalist (Yes, I know that Rutten self-identifies as one. That's insufficient in my book: He can claim it all he wants, but he's not achieving it). But that's a minor error that doesn't distract from the thrust of Mr. Owen's post here, which is that there are severe errors in Rutten's work. Regardless of whether he's a reporter or an opinion writer, Mr. Rutten is guilty of poor writing and researching, which is quite simply unprofessional behavior. That column should not stand uncorrected by the LAT for any reason.
Posted by: E.M.H. at October 30, 2007 01:12 PM (xHyDY)
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From the Drudgereport archives:
"Matt Drudge does not own, operate or maintain the drudgereportArchives.com. He is not responsible for it in anyway."
I think Drudge owes an explanation as to why he pulled his own scoop. I don't buy the Bandwidth Beast excuse.
Posted by: viktor at October 31, 2007 01:11 PM (UW5+P)
Franklin Foer, Peter Scoblic, Jason Zengerle and other senior editors at The New Republic can't quite seem to get their hands on enough information to complete their investigation into the Scott Thomas Beauchamp "Shock Troops" story published in mid-July.
As someone who has had a bit of success in separating the facts from the fiction in this and other instances of questionablemediacontent, I can offer them some free consulting advice to expedite their final report.
In yesterday's Washington Post interview with Howard Kurtz, Franklin Foer made the following claim:
Despite the contentious conversation, Foer continued to defend the article days later. He did so again yesterday, reiterating that other soldiers whom the magazine would not identify had confirmed the allegations.
While Beauchamp "didn't stand by his stories in that conversation, he didn't recant his stories," Foer said in an interview. "He obviously was under considerable duress during that conversation, with his commanding officer in the room with him."
We'll overlook the fact that his commanding officer was not in the room. We'll also overlook the fact that the enlisted squad leader actually sided with Foer and Scoblic in their argument that TNR should be allowed to control the narrative and cancel interviews with both Newsweek and the Post. And we'll overlook that the only obvious duress in the transcript was Foer using the emotional blackmail regarding Beauchamp's wife and the further strong-arm tactics of reminding Beauchamp that if he recanted, any future career of his as a writer is over.
We'll ignore all that for now, because want to get to the truth.
So let's focus on this part of the claim:
...reiterating that other soldiers whom the magazine would not identify had confirmed the allegations.
There are 58 pages of sworn statements currently under legal review at Central Command's FOIA Office in Tampa that seem to directly disagree with that assertion, so let's get the facts as we know them out in the open.
To date, The New Republic has been very vague about the specific claims of these anonymous soldiers, including how many soldiers support each allegation, what their relative positions are within the company or incident that puts them in a position to support their allegations and what, precisely, they said in support of their allegations. I think that it is quite reasonable for the editors to release the full claims, if not the names of the claimant.
In addition, specific questions about each anecdote need to be answered for these claims to be regarded as truthful.
The Burned Woman Claim
In relation to the "burned woman" story, where Beauchamp claims to have verbally abused the apparent survivor of an IED attack in a dining facility that the author claims was especially crowded at that time, readers deserve to know: what was the date of the assault?
We don't need the specific day, but a week-long range—say, the first week of May, or the last week of September—that we can then compare that against the records of every known civilian contractor and military serviceperson on that base at the time, if nesessary.
The magazine cannot find asking for that detail of their sources to be objectionable, if they do still in fact maintain that she is real. The formal military investigation interviewed seven of Beauchamp's fellow soldiers and friends (and lists their names), and states they have never seen such a woman.
As a result the official report concluded that this story is "a tale completely fabricated by Private Beauchamp." If Franklin Foer and the other editors of TNR wish to contend this story is in fact true, they need to provide specific evidence stating why they think it is true, starting with when this supposedly took place.
The Skull Story
The second anecdote in "Shock Troops," was the one that triggered the formal military investigation as it involved the alleged desecration of human remains by U.S. soldiers. The author wrote:
...And, eventually, we reached the bones. All children's bones: tiny cracked tibias and shoulder blades. We found pieces of hands and fingers. We found skull fragments. No one cared to speculate what, exactly, had happened here, but it was clearly a Saddam-era dumping ground of some sort.
One private, infamous as a joker and troublemaker, found the top part of a human skull, which was almost perfectly preserved. It even had chunks of hair, which were stiff and matted down with dirt. He squealed as he placed it on his head like a crown. It was a perfect fit. As he marched around with the skull on his head, people dropped shovels and sandbags, folding in half with laughter. No one thought to tell him to stop. No one was disgusted. Me included.
The private wore the skull for the rest of the day and night. Even on a mission, he put his helmet over the skull. He observed that he was grateful his hair had just been cut--since it would make it easier to pick out the pieces of rotting flesh that were digging into his head.
The formal investigation relates a different reality.
Upon initial reconnaissance of the area that would become Combat Outpost Ellis, Captain Erik Pribyla reported seeing a "skull and what appeared to be a human femur" at the site. PFC Tracy King recovered the skull (I'd further note that in the wording of the report, the skull seems to be referred to as an intact skull, not fragments) and buried the remains with as much dignity as possible. The other bones recovered were apparently animal bones mixed in with household trash, and were "commonly found on Iraqi farmsteads in trash piles where they are dumped after a meal."
If Foer wishes to maintain that Beauchamp's anecdote is true and that his "other soldiers" support the claim, he needs to provide us with some concrete evidence that there were human remains recovered during the digging process.
To date, the only verified human bones near COP Ellis were those two found on the surface. As only a skull and femur were recovered, it would seem to suggest that they may have come from a body located elsewhere, perhaps the victim of sectarian violence. According to the report Beauchamp's sworn statement says he admits only seeing animal bones.
If The New Republic wants to continue insisting this story is accurate, perhaps they could start by having their soldiers explaining, in detail, how a soldier could wear "the top part of a human skull" under the form-fitting pads of MICH helmets while out on patrol without their squad leaders finding out.
The Bradley Story
Frankly, there is nothing at all that Foer's batch of anonymous corroborating soldiers could do to provide any credibility the dog-killing Bradley driver story. The geography of the land around COP Ellis, the handling characteristics of tracked vehicles, and the physics of the driver's visibility make this claim all but impossible. The editors of The New Republic even made a deceptive attempt to use an armored vehicle company expert to spin this claim, but that didn't turn out very well when he found out the whole story, which leads me to another point.
What About TNR's Other Hidden Experts?
In addition to the anonymous soldiers Franklin Foer claims still support the allegations made in "Shock Troops," TNR has still refused to name the civilian experts which the magazine claims provide technical arguments supporting the possibility that these allegations are true. As we found when we interviewed the Bradley Vehicle company spokesmen, it appears TNR asked purposefully vague questions, which led to predictably vague answers, which the New Republic then claimed as proof the stories were real.
As their civilian experts face no possible penalty from the military, it is incumbent upon Franklin Foer to reveal specifically what questions were asked of them, provide specifically what their answers are, and of course, tell us who these experts are.
And Yet...
Remarkably, even after the release of a formal, thoroughly-documented U.S. Army investigation two days ago which concludes the stories published in "Shock Troops" were false, and the release at the same time of a transcript that shows the author of the piece will not stand behind his story and wished to simply walk away from it seven weeks ago, the editors of The New Republic have not retracted the story, nor have they yet resigned.
What Could They Be Waiting On?
The answer is revealed in the transcript of the September 7 call, where Franklin Foer and Peter Scoblic repeatedly focus on getting the two sworn statements signed by Scott Beauchamp—to the point of conferencing in his TNR-appointed lawyer—to try to get Beauchamp to release them.
I'm not sure what Foer thinks he will find in those two sworn statements by Beauchamp that will carry more weight than the sworn statements of every other soldier interviewed during the course of the investigation that refute the allegations in "Shock Troops."
There is nothing in those statements that can vindicate The New Republic's utter lack of fact-checking this story prior to publication, and then deceiving their readership about this failure even as they are forced to shift a key "fact" to another country and time. Nor is there anything in Beauchamp's statement that can justify the attempt of TNR to unethically spin the testimony of experts that they apparently keep in the dark about the nature of the work for which they were being consulted.
Beauchamp's fiction was long ago superseded by the duplicity and unethical behavior of the senior editors of The New Republic.
Two sworn statements cannot erase that stain to the credibility of The New Republic that has been created by editors who refused to concede the reality that they uncritically allowed the publication of obvious fiction. Nor can these documents excuse the editorial failures and ethical breaches of the magazine's senior editors that seem rooted in their inablity to face valid questions brought about by some of their most vocal critics over differences of political ideology.
On September 7, Executive Editor Peter Scoblic asked Scott Beauchamp if he would object to The New Republic fully retracting not only "Shock Troops," but alsohis previous articles, "War Bonds," and "Dead of Night." Beauchamp did not object.
Exactly seven weeks later, the deceptions of the editors and author still remain unaddressed.
Update: "The Editors" of TNR have once again posted on the "Shock Troops" controversy, and they are still standing behind the story because they claim that Beauchamp called Franklin Foer at home two weeks after the recorded call and stood by everything:
The answer is simple: Since this controversy began, The New Republic’s sole objective has been to uncover the truth. As Scoblic said during the September 6 conversation: "[A]ll we want out of this, and the only way that it is going to end, is if we have the truth. And if it's—if it's certain parts of the story are bullshit, then we'll end that way. If it's proven to be true, it will end that way. But it's only going to end with the truth." The September 6 exchange was extremely frustrating; however, it was frustrating precisely because it did not add any new information to our investigation. Beauchamp's refusal to defend himself certainly raised serious doubts. That said, Beauchamp's words were being monitored: His squad leader was in the room as he spoke to us, as was a public affairs specialist, and it is now clear that the Army was recording the conversation for its files.
The next day, via his wife, we learned that Beauchamp did want to stand by his stories and wanted to communicate with us again. Two-and-a-half weeks later, Beauchamp telephoned Foer at home and, in an unmonitored conversation, told him that he continued to stand by every aspect of his story, except for the one inaccuracy he had previously admitted. He also told Foer that in the September 6 call he had spoken under duress, with the implicit threat that he would lose all the freedoms and privileges that his commanding officer had recently restored if he discussed the story with us.
So if we are to beleive "The Editors," Scott Beauchamp called Franklin Foer at home two weeks after the transcribed call and claimed that he "continued to stand by every aspect of his story, except for the one inaccuracy he had previously admitted." That "inaccuracy," of course, being the placement of a woman that nobody else has ever seen in a different country (Kuwait) and time (pre-combat) than the country in which she had not been seen in previously (Iraq).
Sadly, this claimed conversation comes at a time when Beauchamp seemed to have rededicated himself to his fellow soldiers and has been making a concerted effort to re-earn their trust. If true, it would certainly damage the hopes his superior officers had of rehabilitating an already problematic Army career.
Update: Someone get Marc "Armed Liberal" Danziger a stick. He's going to need it to scrape Franklin Foer off his shoe.
We've seen it before -- they're trying to locate their corroborating witness.
Posted by: capitano at October 26, 2007 12:57 PM (+NO33)
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I've always wondered why liberals keep lying. I think I figured it out. No matter how blatant the lie those with a severe case of BDS will believe it. There are plenty of people inflicted with this disease and they are consumers. TNR believes there are enough of them to keep the magazine going.
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Foer is the print equivalent of Ted Rall. Totally lacking in any manhood whatsoever. Using Beauchamp's wife's job status at TNR to threaten him strikes the right note with these guys: totally gutless. These TNR boys had better be very careful what they say about the Army officers who investigated this case, because they just might be opening themselves up to defamation suits. Finally, I agree with Mark Steyn: WHEN is the Canadian family who owns TNR going to fire these guys?
Posted by: Teutonic Tribe Medicine Man at October 26, 2007 01:26 PM (RmHiJ)
"Two-and-a-half weeks later, Beauchamp telephoned Foer at home and, in an unmonitored conversation, told him that he continued to stand by every aspect of his story, except for the one inaccuracy he had previously admitted."
Funny how everything's common denominator is something that can't be provable. All they have is their imagination.
Posted by: NJ at October 26, 2007 01:28 PM (rcjXi)
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We've created a helpful infographic showing how far TNR editor Franklin Foer has dug himself and his editorial staff:
http://exurbanleague.com/2007/10/26/digging-for-foer.aspx
Posted by: ExurbanJon at October 26, 2007 01:30 PM (N0doa)
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As much as I like Mark Steyn, I can't buy his claim that the Asper (sp?) family, Canadians who own TNR, are marvelous people. Don't they own a magazine that has spread malicious lies about troops? How is that marvelous?
I for one want to see their name connected at the hip with this mess. It should be the AsperFoerBeauchamp debacle.
Posted by: tfdad at October 26, 2007 01:45 PM (lA0qL)
Posted by: T.Ferg at October 26, 2007 01:56 PM (2YVh7)
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I'm not sure what Foer thinks he will find in those two sworn statements by Beauchamp that will carry more weight than the sworn statements of every other soldier interviewed during the course of the investigation that refute the allegations in "Shock Troops."
They think they will find an abscence of the words: I recant, or I do not stand by theses stories.
They are attempting to do what Mary Mapes did when she says, I am being condemned for using faxed copies of documents.
In short they are changing the subject by implying that the right wing smear machine or whatever they call us has falsely said that Beuchamp recanted when he simply said something else.
To them if they can make it about what Beuchamp did or did not say to the Army they hope they can deflect attention from themselves.
Weak and desperate, but what did you expect?
Posted by: J. Lichty at October 26, 2007 02:40 PM (/LdvO)
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Has anyone asked the Army whether TNR has received the FOIA docs it requested?
To my mind, this has all the earmarks of a "preemptive leak", meant to provide TNR the opportunity to huff, puff and change the subject to the leak.
Posted by: JeanneB at October 26, 2007 02:40 PM (r4YyX)
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JeanneB, to get documents one must first file FOIA requests. Among many questions unanswered by TNR is if or when they filed such. Word is, they haven't... If they haven't, that makes their claims that the Army is obstructing them quite the lie doesn't it?
Posted by: Laughing Wolf at October 26, 2007 02:44 PM (V0Gw9)
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Perhaps it's not too surprising, but Andrew Sullivan buys the latest TNR posting on the Beauchamp affair lock, stock and barrel. He doesn't understand how the "right wing blogosphere" can have any concerns with what Beauchamp wrote, which he characterizes as "...these typical shenanigans..." of our soldiers, and not be really upset at true outrages of soldier brutality.
Posted by: Terry at October 26, 2007 03:04 PM (d/RyS)
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"Two-and-a-half weeks later, Beauchamp telephoned Foer at home and, in an unmonitored conversation, told him that he continued to stand by every aspect of his story, except for the one inaccuracy he had previously admitted."
BUT, BUT, BUT...I thought TNR said the Army was muzzling STB and keeping him from communicating with the outside world?
Another TNR lie, Also they kept this lie going knowing it was untrue because they asked STB to cancel interviews with other news outlets.
Posted by: Timber at October 26, 2007 03:07 PM (WHA+d)
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Bob, possibility STB sent the doc's to Drudge? just tossing it out there.
Posted by: Boss429 at October 26, 2007 03:15 PM (a+Mxg)
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While he's at it, could Foer let us know where to buy square backed ammo? I've fact-checked and fact-checked, and can't find it anywhere. Maybe his multiple layers can help.
Posted by: mrobvious at October 26, 2007 03:16 PM (8Y/fG)
16 Bob, possibility STB sent the doc's to Drudge? just tossing it out there.
I'd say that possibility is exceedingly slim, verging on none.
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Wait, if STB recanted his confession (as Foer says he did in the private conversation), shouldn't the army re-open the investigation? He could still be in big trouble!
Posted by: Stacy In Tucson at October 26, 2007 03:29 PM (m9GRg)
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1. Ownership of TNR is behind their staff 100% and their position is safe because they are rich.
2. Scott Beauchamp is working both sides of the street. He hopes to get rich.
3.His unit officers are being good guys and are accepting his manipulations because they are good guys. They won't get rich.
Sooner or later you'll see I'm right.
Posted by: glenn at October 26, 2007 03:49 PM (zp+Xy)
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I could see Ellie sending it to drudge, she was fired...
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Two things that strike me about TNR's latest posting... First of all they are criticizing the Army for not proving that something didn't happen. They said that the Army hasn't provided any proof that the allegations are false. Shouldn't it be TNR's responsibility to proove that it did happen? How does the Army prove a negative?
Second, the only proof there is of Foer and Beauchamp's private conversation is the word of TNR editors who have already lied about the "facts" in this story.
I guess the editors at TNR haven't heard about the first rule of holes... When trying to get out of one... stop digging.
Jim C
Posted by: Jim C at October 26, 2007 04:21 PM (ON55K)
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If TNR actually believes the stories they published are true then they why aren't they condemning the actions described in these reports and calling for the prosecution of these individuals as they did with the misconduct of the Abu Ghareh prison guards? If these things happened the soldiers involved should be prosecuted. If they didn't TNR needs to fess up on their screw up in reporting an explosive but anonymously sourced and thinly supported story.
It seems pretty clear to even the most casual observer where the truty lies. I wonder how much longer TNR thinks they can keep this up?
Posted by: crazy at October 26, 2007 04:31 PM (Tjiaw)
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I don't know what is and anti-war liberals having this huge desire to make things looks so much worse here than they truly are...well...yeah...i know the reason...but you would think they would at least try to make up stuff that is believable. I have a co-worker out here that is very liberal and very illegal-Iraq-war-spouter (yet she don't mind making some bucks off of it, so I guess she isn't that much against it) and in her blog on MySpace yesterday we had to reprimand her big time for total fabrications, flat out lies and major OPSEC violations. Just one example is minutes after an attack on our base she is blogging about it to the world and her version is no where near reality which is a huge security risk especially when she starts telling of protective measures and movements in place for our safety. Thankfully she will be gone in 1 month, but it wouldn't suprise me one bit if she didn't become the latest "phony soldier" who is the darling of the left. I'll be keeping an eye on her after she leaves in case she does though.
Posted by: CajunTiger at October 26, 2007 04:34 PM (AqgrI)
If I were TNR, I would have filed the FOIA's, and written them in such a way--or asked for information I know is restricted from FOIA's--in order to make sure I was denied. With denial comes justification (in their minds).
Then, when the Army has denied certain aspects of the FOIA's, use that denial as a way to show that TNR is once again having their investigation "stonewalled" by the Army. Cry "foul" and say now we'll never know because the Army is holding documents. So, there is nothing more that can be done--we know we were right, but now we can't prove it--and let's move on...
Trust me, it's been done before in other FOIA's (but not mine).
As you know, I'm very familiar with FOIA's in federal circles. However, I haven't seen a copy of their FOIA requests--so if you get a copy of TNR's FOIA requests, send it over to me. I'll give it a look and let you know what I think they might be doing.
But if it were me, that's how I would bail out of the TNR hellhole. It's just stupid, shallow, and twisted enough for them to try to use it to justify their actions in their own minds and save themselves in the eyes of the conspiracy-blinded readers they have left.
Posted by: WB at October 26, 2007 04:50 PM (eQb7x)
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As I mentioned in my humble blog yesterday, Foer also uttered a new lie to Kurtz, and one that's trivial to disprove. He said that Beauchamp was intimidated in the leaked call (the one that Foer and Scoblic kept under wraps as part of their cover-up, until it slipped away) because his commanding officer was there. But the transcript itself (1.pdf from Drudge) makes it clear who was there... a staff sergeant squad leader, and a sp/4 -- the rank Beauchamp himself would be by now if he could only stop screwing up -- from PAO. I mean, PAO didn't even care enough to send a second lieutenant.
Yes, privates are intimidated by staff sergeants, but then they get out of basic and get over it. Scott got out of basic ages ago and he's since been reamed out by every rank from other privates to full bird colonel, so he's not too likely to be very intimidated by his squad leader.
You don't have to serve in the military to know who is an officer and who isn't. I had it figured out by age seven or so. But Fabricating Franklin Foer is completely incurious about the military -- he knows he hates it, and the people in it, and that's all he needs to know.
As far as the threat (apparently subsequently carried out) to Elspeth Reeve is concerned, it's hard to feel very sorry for a woman foolish enough to let herself be used by both Foer and Beauchamp. Beauchamp may have some potential, but Foer -- in bringing this up -- demonstrates an incredible degree of pettiness and moral turpitude. Men don't settle differences with men by hiding behind their women. But Fabricating Franklin does. Draw your own conclusions.
If any of the guys in Beauchamp's unit believes TNR's latest, they just put his life in danger.
Not because they'd shoot him - but if they don't trust him .....
Let's see Foer's phone records .... if Beauchamp called them or Foer called Beauchamp, there should be phone records.
And if Foer can't produce them - - - HE ought to be hung.
Posted by: BD at October 26, 2007 05:00 PM (AkjOz)
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And if the Army was really smart they'ed get Pvt Beauchamp out of Iraq RIGHT NOW, so he doesn't get killed in action.
Posted by: glenn at October 26, 2007 05:25 PM (zp+Xy)
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Beauchamp won't get fragged. Nobody would bother.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 26, 2007 05:34 PM (3AAjp)
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First off, given the utter ignorance about the military being displayed by TNR's editors, one suspects that "commanding officer" here is supposed to mean "boss."
Thus, a sergeant is a "commanding officer," as is a general, or a colonel, or a captain.
Second, one suspects that Foer trading away Beauchamp's life for "preserving" TNR's credibility would be a no-brainer. Indeed, this "leak" plays quite well for TNR.
If Beauchamp were killed on patrol, one suspects that it'd be portrayed as a deliberate Army attempt to silence him (comparable to the charges about Tillman). If his buddies let him walk into an IED, then it's proof that the Army's made up of the sorts who would make fun of a disfigured woman.
If Beauchamp were released from the military, he'd then have the choice of coming across as a liar to someone. My guess is that Foer and company would make it worth Beauchamp's while to claim it was Army pressure that made him issue a non-recanting recant.
If Beauchamp sticks by the Army, then Foer and company, who are far better known to other magazine writers, would use this to blacklist him from the field. (This is implied in the first transcript, when they ask him what he is going to do, if he intends to continue writing.)
All in all, Scott Thomas Beauchamp's managed to back himself into an ugly corner. And he's no one to blame but himself.
Posted by: Lurking Observer at October 26, 2007 06:05 PM (/ZD7V)
Posted by: David Jay at October 26, 2007 06:18 PM (1qyL4)
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I don't know how they did it, but I just watched this play out in a movie on the IFC channel. In the end all the reporters and editors sign an apology. Oh wait, that was the Stephan Glass story, not the Beauchamp story. There are just so many of these making up the news stories today that it is hard to keep them all straight.
Posted by: Mekan at October 26, 2007 06:28 PM (mzFPd)
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Well, look at it this way: This may be the last semi-mainstream publishing job the TNR editors ever get. They need to stretch this gig for as many paychecks as they can.
Posted by: Randy at October 26, 2007 06:31 PM (pwoY9)
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Almost forgot....I bet Beauchamp knows what Knight Ridder is.
Posted by: Mekan at October 26, 2007 06:32 PM (mzFPd)
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Bob - fine work! - I paypalled a thank you. I have a son in the Army and this means a lot
TY
Posted by: Frank G at October 26, 2007 07:49 PM (Ydps9)
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If true, it would certainly damage the hopes his superior officers had of rehabilitating an already problematic Army career.
Of course this post should end with completely unfounded speculation and opinion...which is pretty much the hallmark of this "story."
Posted by: Xanthippas at October 26, 2007 08:20 PM (a6Ass)
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I'm a little confused by TNR's infantile attitude that it's the Army that has to this and the Army that has to that, while TNR screwed their readership withholding all kinds of crap.
The IRONY of someone in the Army having to leak stuff to get the truth out because the so-called truth tellers are hiding it is hilarious.
I am betting Michael Yon's post just messed with TNR bad. They are setting STB up to take the hit and rehabilitate Foer.
See, Foer blew his opportunity to throw STB under a train so they are working towards setting it up for a second chance at the train throwing.
Their stonewalling and then this tardy response was ONLY and effort to put on record that STB called Foer alone and stood by the story - if STB finally does recant? TNR and Foer will say STB has been lying to TNR and STB all this time and they were brave people sticking by what they thought was an honorable soldiers word, aka - not their fault.
But what is truly knee slappingingly funny, is that they put their faith to save their asses in a man who would laugh at a suffering injured women and enjoy killing dogs and wearing the remains of the dead.
Posted by: Timber at October 26, 2007 08:57 PM (ryO1F)
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One certain take-away from this TNR experience that competent journalists should remember is that they shouldn't Greenwald by attributing anything to "anonymous sources." Anonymous sources are increasingly figments of incompetent journalists imaginations to help prop up bogus arguments.
This quick exercise should help many avoid this basic mistake. Repeat the following sentence five times, and then apply the same treatment whenever you read the phrase "anonymous sources" and you'll start recognizing the errors of the Greenwald method:
"It was reported by an anonymous, c'est moi, source."
If it helps, imagine Glenn Greenwald holding up his sock puppet in his right hand while posting with his left, disguising the origins of his clever and crafty support for the brilliance observations of Glenn Greenwald. Hold your own hand up while repeating that line five times, and make your hand puppet mouth the words.
Anonymous sources never, ever have material value except for serving as a tip for content which is completely and totally verified by other credible means.
Posted by: redherkey at October 26, 2007 09:01 PM (kjqFg)
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I think people are putting all the blame on TNR and letting Beauchamp off the hook here. I disagree
Posted by: docweasel at October 26, 2007 09:21 PM (ACIZZ)
If you'd go back and read CY's earlier postings, and our comments on it--including my own humble contributions--you'd see that you are in error.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 26, 2007 09:49 PM (ysloH)
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Franklin Foer has (DRFSDS) Dan Rather False Story Denial Syndrome.
Posted by: George at October 26, 2007 11:56 PM (WA19M)
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Posted by redherkey at October 26, 2007 09:01 PM
So, in other words -- to FUBAR a story = to pull a Greenwald?
I buy that.
Posted by: Timber at October 27, 2007 12:04 AM (ryO1F)
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So is TNR lying, or do the editors actually think this story happened? I say they think this is what happened, and they will continue to believe it no matter what.
Posted by: Mike at October 27, 2007 12:05 AM (RAsoo)
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Franklin Foer has (DRFSDS) Dan Rather False Story Denial Syndrome.
AKA -- > BDS
Posted by: Timber at October 27, 2007 12:06 AM (ryO1F)
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One thing in the last Foer revelation on his alleged conversation with TSB at his home. He stated that TSB told him he was under duress and that his commanding officer had threatened to take away privileges.
In the transcript during the conversation in September it certainly appeared that his squad leader knew about interviews that TSB was planning on giving and if so, what was he planning on talking about to them about if not whether or not he would stand by his stories? And from his squad leaders input it seemed he was implying it would be better that the story be discussed with the outlet that first printed the stories.
Another thing that is bothersome to me professionaly. As an investigator who has conducted hundreds,if not in the thousands, of interviews and interrogations during criminal investigations I find it improbable that with all the interviews if in fact there was any substance to the claims TSB made someone would not have said something. Either out of self preservation, a guilty conscious or spite someone would have said something.
Now I will qualify that last observation with a caveat. Line officers are not trained investigators who conduct interviews on a daily basis so there is that to consider. But with 2 - 3 persons conducting interviews I would be comfortable in my last observation.
Posted by: Five_O_Adviser_n_Iraq at October 27, 2007 08:00 AM (Xwzlo)
Something that is germane to the issue is Ms Beauchamp.
They refer to her in the article and raise questions about her job future.
You pointed out that commentary on the Facebook page showed she had departed from TNR and now worked according to Patrick Gavin she now works for Mike Grunwald.
At the time of your post she was still on the masthead for TNR and she no longer is. From a goggle search to access a cached version of her history at TNR her last article was dated 6/20/07.
Since their latest update includes her in the issue, perhaps they can confirm her employment status with TNR rather than maybe just forget to report she is no longer with them.
This out to be simple. They don't need a FOIA to find out, there should be no DOD red tape to fight and they can even just have a look around the office and ask around if they need to investigate her status. Heck I am sure some of the female staff may even check for her in the little girl's room to see if she is powdering her nose or something.
Posted by: JustADude at October 27, 2007 08:40 AM (1aM/I)
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Michael Yon did an article about Beauchamp and says he is working withing his troop to maybe have his second chance.
Now from the reporting by Foer they seem to propose that he after the transcript call still is not backing down from his position, which is different from the take you get from Michael Yon.
I sure hope TNR isn't playing fast and loose with this because their report will be read by those over in Iraq and could have major impacts on how command members view Beauchamp in his efforts to rehabilitate himself among them.
Posted by: JustADude at October 27, 2007 09:03 AM (1aM/I)
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You have to wonder whether any of these folks posting silly comments have ever been in the army. It must be obvious to even the most dim that this guy is getting a lot of heat from the army and from experience I can tell you they know how to apply heat. They have also obviously been curtailing his ability to communicate. It's hard to see how that can be denied although it will be by those eager to make some kind of point regardless of how small the point is. That's the biggest mystery in all this. As a story this got a nano second of attention on the national stage, I'd say 95% of the US population have never heard of Private Beauchamp. It's going to have zero impact on the public perception of what's going on in Iraq, about which the public seems to have made up its mind. And yet still bloggers and magazines, usually conservative, are devoting millions of words to this non story. Why? What are they hoping to prove. That a paper cut is as important as an amputation.
Posted by: Otto at October 27, 2007 09:15 AM (8/K7D)
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Otto:
Does your nano second [sic] include the op-ed in this morning's Wall Street Journal?
Many of us have military service, some of us are retired after many years of service.
I don't know which rock you were under but there were many national stories on this and Rush Limbaugh had it on his show for over a week with over 20 million a day listeners. Other talk shows, magazines , blogs , Drudge, news sites of the MSM and political blogs and such.
And yes it is all about perception. Those of us who proudly served in war and peace saw what happened to returning veterans of the VietNam war and have seen to posers who either never were in the service or really were for some amount of time, but then misrepresented their service accomplishments/rank/job status/training and falsely smeared the military with tales of atrocities and mis conduct that were made from whole cloth.
As veterans or current active duty we are not ever again going to remain silent and allow smears that try to do the same thing or false stories that cast a bad reputation on conduct of our men and women at arms.
Beyond that this story in particular has been debunked and now it is about the credibility of TNR who chose to take up this issue with the publication of the false stories of Beauchamp and have chosen their path of action after the issue was brought into question.
Now we are into the area beyond the story issue itself and going to the base credibility of a magazine that has had false stories in the past.
Having said that TNR's representations of positions of Beauchamp they say he is taking have major impact on his current status and well being in Iraq. Also there is potential that if more information is revealed that Beauchamp is still insisting the stories are valid and has possibly signed sworn declarations contrary to that he could be brought up on additional charges based on continued contrary claims to his statements.
We will accept valid debate on the issues relating to the military but will not take damage that is not warranted.
Combine that with some of the questionable positions taken by various political personalities and allegations such as Haditha which are pretty much falling apart we can see we have issues to stand up for and they do affect the national stage and are relevant to the war in Iraq and elsewhere.
Your minimization of the issue is pathetically wrong headed.
It may be a non issue to you, but for we veterans and active and families and friends it is an issue for us.
Even if it did not affect others in the country we will stand up for our service and our honor and we will never again stand by and see what was done to those post VietNam service members.
Posted by: JustADude at October 27, 2007 10:15 AM (1aM/I)
The continued interest in this on-going story is due to a pattern in the MSM (of which TNR is a part) and other supposedly "honorable, truthful, intelligent" outlets, that claim to have "journalistic integrity" and purport to tell us the un-varnished truth. These outlets do indeed have an agenda. They are engaged in a battle to change the course of the direction of our society and are apparently trying to sway the masses via the discourse of their respective mediums. Well their "truths" are not always that un-varnished. When they attempt to smear our serving troops with a(false) broad brush that is damning to what Our troops are trying to accomplish,it has far reaching effects in any number of areas.
As military folks, former military, or friends/family of those; or those just plain concerned that the military is being painted as evil/incompetent by the idiots in the Senate/Congress, Code Pink,TNR, etc... Well, this is a battle; a battle of ideologies. We don't mind fighting fairly, and addressing true accounts of military misbehavior, which does (infrequently) occur, but the fake stories are much more frequent, and damning. Well, since this is a battle of not just ideologies, but of truth and lies, we just want to make sure that the lies are exposed, lest the vast majority does not accept them as truth.
Yes, STB may only be a "small, insignificant" story that 95% of the populace has never heard of, but.... "For the want of a nail"
Posted by: Jack Coonan at October 27, 2007 10:27 AM (bAzyC)
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You'll never change Otto's mind, he's a far left wing fanatical kook who's drank the kool-aid. To the military haters like Otto they'll believe any story that's negative to our troops, it's all about the narrative.
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Otto, let us assume, just for the sake of the argument, that you are correct and that Beauchamp was restricted by the Army.
So friggin' what?
Two things you seem to have overlooked in your BDS-inspired zeal:
(1) Beauchamp is a member of the Army and therefore is subject to all the rules and regulations thereof, including many that do not apply to non-military citizens. That includes restrictions on communications, I believe, though I myself have never served (can't--disability--call me a chicken hawk if you wish).
(2) Beauchamp was involved in violations of the above mentioned rules and regulations, therefore his ability to communicate was restricted during the investigation, so as to keep him from deliberately muddying the waters. It is also highly probable that since his violations involved communication, that a part of his punishment involved restrictions of communications.
In short, your allegations themselves show the depths of your own ignorance.
Thank you for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 27, 2007 12:01 PM (ysloH)
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I see that the always execrable John Cole has put up a lengthy post that attempts to parody what he thinks he has read about the Beauchamp affair, but in reality is just another typical slime job on the troops by the loony Left. Apparently, the onset of dementia that is slowly overtaking Sullivan continues to spread to other similarly situated slugs.
Posted by: Terry at October 27, 2007 12:23 PM (AiJXe)
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Why do you find his stories so unbelievable? If someone on the scene wrote a description of what American soldiers were doing in Abu Ghraib, would you have believed him? Next time, Beauchamp should bring a camera.
Posted by: Joseph Winter at October 27, 2007 12:23 PM (H+6ur)
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Well Joseph, the Winter Soldier experience from the Vietnam tells us that atrocities and gross misbehaviors are the extreme exception, rather than the Baghdad Diaries rule.
Any more Abu Ghraibs come to mind? Didn't think so.
Also, Beauchamp wrote stuff that was either physically impossible (Bradley maneuvers), or so "out there" as to be unbelievable because the "progressive" media in Iraq would have picked up on that stuff much earlier, if such happened.
I understand that to "progressives," Abu Ghraib is a holy site, and the delinquent soldiers there--discovered and prosecuted by the Army, let's not forget (except the affirmative-action female BGEN who got off with a retirement)--are considered the norm. But realize, then, that soldiers that would laff at jihadis' winkies, and put panties on their heads, would pound the snot out of some punk mocking a contractor burn victim. Not "practically fall out of his chair laughing."
All part of the neo-con warmonger make up, doncha know?
Also, plenty of pressies, contractors and soldiers over there have cameras, and cell phone cameras. Didn't help our Scottie grow, did it?
Thanks for playing.
Cordially...
Posted by: Rick at October 27, 2007 02:22 PM (Ohkx7)
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Mr. Winter, the Army investigated thoroughly and found no one who could corroborate those stories. That's why they're unbelievable.
If you know of a soldier who can corroborate them, please post his name, rank, and unit here so that we can get in touch with him/her.
Of course, you're going to fall back on TNR's statement that they have other sources, but since they refuse to give names, and none have come forward, that's about as credible as me saying I saw the Easter Bunny.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 27, 2007 02:57 PM (ysloH)
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Addressing the communications restrictions... I am actually very surprised any non-NCO was allowed to have a cell phone in country. I am a company grade officer over here and we had very strict rules that no one (including our commanders) were allowed to bring cell phones. It has to do with operational security.
Adressing the claims made in the stories... If any of this did happen, which NCOs were supervising? The NCOs I work with don't even allow their subordinate Soldiers to horse around on the radio, much less with a multi-million dollar piece of equipment or human bones! This young man has made a mistake in making up stories and the Army has dealt with it. If he wishes to continue to serve, I am confident the Army will let him serve out his tour.
Posted by: abqjb at October 27, 2007 04:45 PM (Ww3Ko)
For me its because nobody has stepped up to collect the $1,000 reward I've been offering for a corroborating account. The offer has stood since July 19th.
If you know someone who will corroborate STB's stories, by all means tell'em to step up and take my money. The ball is in your court now.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 27, 2007 08:42 PM (3AAjp)
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But don't you see, Purple, all good lefties know that ALL the people that have confirmed the story have approached you for the reward, you've just covered it up in order to keep from having to pay out and admit you're wrong!
You're in collusion with the Army and the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil Wepubwicans to take over the country through a military coup, crush all dissenting voices, and put the even eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeviler Joooooooooooooooos in positions of power.
[shaking head]
Wow. Must have channeled a "troofer" there for a moment. Sorry about that.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 27, 2007 09:45 PM (ysloH)
Otto writes that it's "obvious" that the Army is curtailing Beauchamp's ability to communicate.
Yet, here we have Franklin Foer getting a call from Beauchamp at his home, wherein Beauchamp claims that everything he'd said was under duress.
Seems like the Army's not very good at curtailing Beauchamp's ability to communicate, if that's the case.
In which case, how come Beauchamp hasn't communicated earlier? Or to other outlets? Indeed, why wouldn't Beauchamp let the Washington Post or Newsweek know that he was being muzzled by the military?
Now, if we suppose that, in fact, Beauchamp has been muzzled, why in the world would Foer tell the world that he'd communicated w/ Beauchamp? It would seem to me that Foer just burned a source---w/ potentially nasty consequences for Beauchamp?
So, how exactly is this supposed to work, Otto?
Posted by: Lurking Observer at October 28, 2007 08:24 PM (n/7fd)
Did I Mention Those Other TNR Investigation Documents?
My latest on the Beauchamp/TNR is up at Pajamas Media.
I'd also advise reading the latest from Michael Yon and Laughing Wolf at Blackfive. For all of his issues with the creative writing , Scott Beauchamp isn't the focus of this story any more, and more importantly, seems to be trying to earn back the trust of his fellow soldiers.
The New Republic, however, long ago ran out of second chances.
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Not being familiar with the level of TNR complicity in the Steven Glass affair I could be wrong about this, Bob, but, technically, even if Foer et al. came clean, wouldn't TNR be on their third chance?
Posted by: Robert Stevens at October 25, 2007 05:38 PM (hsAB9)
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I very much agree with Yon. The kid is just a kid and it seems he is on his way to becoming a man. We should not get in his way.
On the other hand TNR would make a nice coon skin hat.
Posted by: David at October 25, 2007 06:25 PM (JZ/JD)
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I think we still shouldn't mind looking over at Beauchamp and reminding him, "You really f*cked up." Don't many families do that about every Christmas at the get together?...
I think it is great he is trying to mend fences and make up, and I always believe in focusing on the future and what positive can be done in it. I honestly wish him the best. But, reminding ourselves (and some others) of their mistakes isn't exactly wrong and can help....or so my parents keep telling me....
I do think the recent turns this saga has taken have become very interesting....The whole Shattered Glass item has been flipped on its head...
There, the primary liar kept skunking around and ended up out of the business altogether only to write a book and become a lawyer....perfect....but the editors and others at TNR who came clean after been suckered for so long and went back really hunting for the other fabrications moved on in their careers.
This time around, the orignial liar is making amends and it looks like the big shot journalists are going to end up out of the business (I say with my fingers crossed...)
Posted by: usinkorea at October 25, 2007 07:12 PM (lyEpP)
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On the other hand TNR would make a nice coon skin hat.
OK, David wins the thread.
Posted by: Pablo at October 25, 2007 08:38 PM (yTndK)
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WaPo: While the discussion "was extremely frustrating and engendered doubts," Foer said, Beauchamp defended his story in a subsequent conversation that was conducted with no superiors present
Foer has claimed Beauchamp was being help incommunicado. He didn't admit the existence of the Sept. 6 conversation until the transcript was leaked. Now he claims (with no details) a second, unverifiable, conversation, as a counter to the documented one.
Foer's "other soldiers whom the magazine would not identify had confirmed the allegations" might just be anonymous emails from hotmail addresses written by Beauchamp, Elspeth Reeve, or others.
Posted by: davidp at October 25, 2007 09:10 PM (ihAc/)
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Foer's "other soldiers whom the magazine would not identify had confirmed the allegations" might just be anonymous emails from hotmail addresses written by Beauchamp, Elspeth Reeve, or others.
I think they're the same ones that gave Dan Rather the TANG memo. -LOL-
Posted by: C-C-G at October 25, 2007 09:28 PM (ysloH)
Over at PJM, you say that "Military sources have confirmed that these documents are legitimate." Does that include the transcript of the phone conversation between Beauchamp and TNR? Under what circumstances would the Army be taping a soldier's conversations? Did you make an FOIA request for such a transcript? Would it actually be ethical for them to grant such a request?
Posted by: JM Hanes at October 25, 2007 11:28 PM (bKtAF)
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When one thinks about how this all played out, there really isn't much redeemable about Frank Foer's actions. His hyper communication freeze PR strategy that rivals that of any vulnerable corrupt politician TNR deems their duty to report on, his snarky unprofessional attack the messenger responses and manipulating pressure threats to the Private.
Just sitting here and putting myself in Foer's place in those earlier days I can think of more than a few steps he could have taken that would have at least protected the publication he is a leader among.
Think if Foer had decided to take the questions raised by skeptics seriously and instead of defaulting to immature rookie hour attacks, said he appreciated the seriousness of those questions and had appointed a removed TNR representetive to conduct an open and independent investigation - rather than pull in other TNR colleagues who had very little to do with the initial story to start RE-reporting? I mean many others like Jason Zengele got pulled in this mess.
Further, had he engaged those raising questions, rather than the really silly and defensive attacks with upfront assurances of answers and seriousness, he'd had bought himself enough time to a least address the role nepotism played in clouding their normal serious process of fact checking to a degree that would have mitigated some of the sentiment.
So that Foer deemed himself chief "controller" and this mis-contolled this puppies to disastrous proportions really demonstrates this ego ain't capable of serious leadership or a loyalty to his colleagues and people that work for him.
Jason Zengele, who to my knowledge, had very little to do with the initial diaries got sucked into a re-fact checker role -- tainted by association. And so Foer has know tainted many young talents.
All because Foer has not the maturity, experience or humility to act like the editor post he was given.
He's a gutless wonder because he was afraid of loosing what little credibility he had in the lefty internet community, like the fake pandering we see from the elected Dems.
The lefty of the blogosphere has stifled truth. Foer is as much a victim of honesty as the private due to the left blog truth haters,
Posted by: Tipper at October 25, 2007 11:54 PM (ryO1F)
Posted by: David at October 26, 2007 12:18 AM (L17Jt)
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If TNR and Foer are unwilling to do the only right thing - apologize profusely immediately - and reveal the rest of the cards they are clearly hiding,
And/or if TNR / CanWest Global Media is not going to take action against Foer and show him the door for a clear breach of journalistic ethics,
Then hasn't the time come to use our final weapon - educate and inform the financial supporters of TNR, namely the remaining five advertisers, of TNRs malicious coverup of a smear against the military they enabled and continue to hide?
If TNR won't do the ethical right thing and send Foer and anyone directly involved in this debacle packing, then they need to be hit in the pocketbook, and HARD.
A FAQ on the web would be a simple thing put forth using only the information now available in the public domain.
If Foer's scalp isn't on a plate in short order, I believe this is something that needs serious consideration.
Posted by: Justacanuck at October 26, 2007 09:41 AM (hgxwr)
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Under what circumstances would the Army be taping a soldier's conversations?
Purely speculative, here -- Foer claimed back end-of-July / early-August that he talked to Beauchamp, and represented that Beauchamp had said certain things. If Beauchamp told the army that Foer had misrepresented those conversations, and asked higher ups to help him out by providing witnesses when he talked to TNR, then that's the sort of thing that I imagine they would be happy to help out with.
It would also fit in with Foer's "Beauchamp is being held incommunicado" spin. If, instead, Beauchamp refuses to talk to TNR without witnesses, then it's obviously a lot more trouble to have a call than just picking up the phone. If first time that TNR wants to call the sargent is busy, and then the next time Scott is busy, and then next their best stenographer is busy, and then the next time both the sargent and Beauchamp are busy... Spin that through the left-handed looking glass, and it's the army's fault that TNR can't talk to Beauchamp.
Posted by: cathyf at October 26, 2007 10:36 AM (R3XcU)
A Scott Beauchamp Update
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2007/10/26/a-scott-beauchamp-update.aspx
Posted by: Justacanuck at October 26, 2007 11:41 AM (hgxwr)
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If Beauchamp really did reconfirm to TNR, the laying off the kid that Yon urged needs to be ignored.
Posted by: Laddy at October 26, 2007 12:05 PM (BKqO3)
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Notably absent from TNR's post linked above by justacanuck?
1) Any explanation of what Foer was doing asking Beauchump to cancel interviews with the other media.
2) Any explanation of what Foer was doing using Beauchump's wife to in effect blackmail him.
Well, that's what struck me anyway.
The wife thing really bothered me in that transcript and if you ask me the way Foer uses the wife really makes him a scumbag beneath contempt. Maybe you'd have to have been military and been away from home a bit in that situation to know how much of a sucker punch that wife crap would be to someone serving.
Posted by: DaveW at October 26, 2007 12:20 PM (L04de)
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TNR now wants us to believe that Foer had a private, unrecorded, subsequent telecon with STB and we should give credence to his account as opposed to the transcription of 6 September? OK-- let's assume Foer tried to play journalist for once. Let him answer these questions: Did he take notes? Will he show anyone those notes? Did he consider recording the conversation? Did STB refuse a request for recording? Why did he not come forward with this revelation months ago? Why did he not insist on having others present (on either or both ends) during the telecon for corroboration? Simply stated, I'm not buying the Army coverup line TNR's pushing.
Call me a skeptic, but since STB said he's not talking any more about this whole mess, Foer may be gambling on STB honoring his word, which means FF could make up/mischaracterize the whole private conversation, and not be called on it.
PS-- TNR could help its cause by releasing a copy of the FOIA request it claims it made. That would at least show us when they asked for documents and what they asked for.
Posted by: kyle at October 26, 2007 12:39 PM (8uzdZ)
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Couple of points to make, first, it's pretty clear that the Beauchamp stories are part of policy at TNR. If they weren't and if there were any grownups at TNR Mr Foer and Mr Soblic would have had one or two of them ( the grownups) in their office sometime ago for a me talk, you listen, show me all you have, about the stories. If ownership were really honorable people and the stories were true they would have someone they could quote on the record. That may happen in the future and we'll have egg all over our collective faces but I don't think so.
TNR looks more and more like a sort of hobby for rich left wing dillitantes who use it to be "better than those proles". Lot of that going around these days.
Posted by: glenn at October 26, 2007 12:47 PM (zp+Xy)
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Re Beaucamp's wife: If Foer picked up Beaucamp on his wife's recommendation, and published his BS without factchecking it because it fitted Foer's editorial stance ... how is this Elizabeth's fault? Isn't it even more Foer's responsibility that he violated basic journalistic ethics and practices out of nepotism as well as political predjudice?
Open message to TNR: put on the man pants and accept responsibility for your deeds.
On the same note, and as far as Scott goes- I have nothing but respect for Yon, but my ethos denies forgiveness to someone who won't work to earn it. Yes, Scott is doing a brave thing by staying in Iraq- but he HASN'T recanted, and he HASN'T apologised publicly to those he wronged publicly. Until that point there is no forgiveness.
Posted by: DaveP. at October 26, 2007 01:02 PM (6iy97)
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I agree with Yon but it's under one condition. Scott comes clean, completely and openly and NOT to The New Republic, it needs to be out in the open.
All Foer wanted was to go to Beauchamp, to CONFIRM.
This was "DENIED."
Lots of bloggers know well what "access denied" means.
And, Foer never changed his story.
He said TNR would INVESTIGATE. But to do so, they needed more information than a shell game, that said "57 unit members" have said Beauchamp's story is false. And, then never provided said paperwork. Because it's "secret."
By the way, Foer, by now knows that Beauchamp PLAGIARIZED the story of the deformed woman. It shows up in fiction. Something he must have read.
But the PR Machinery of the US ARMY missed this.
And, no. I haven't checked it out. I just remember reading that the story that went from Irak, to Kuwait, was NOT a n urban legend.
Foer, however, has kept repeating, that as a journalist he deserves access to his "source."
While the ARMY's PR machinery is in high gear.
And, all the other major media outlets stay as quiet as mice.
Foer never capitulated to the US Army.
And, what if the whole idea is to stand his ground? He's not fired. And, all you know is that the major media, who must dislike the strangle-hold of PR machinery ... is just not firing off any of its guns.
While Michael Yon? If I were in his shoes, I'd have asked for an interview with Beauchamp. Before advertising him as "one brave fella."
Why?
Because Yon shouldn't let the PR machinery co-opt his views on Irak.
Do you think lots of Americans are just clueless about Irak?
Wasn't the "most favorite guy" status given to Baghdad Bob? Maybe, Baghdad Bob can write a book?
Posted by: Carol Herman at October 27, 2007 01:51 PM (q0Srt)
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The comments about The New Republic's Shock Troops article posted to Confederate Yankee show how far a main stream publication will go to smear the effort in Iraq, and how ignorant anyone on their staff are of military matters.
By simply reading Private Beauchamp's description of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle used to kill two dogs, at the same time looking at a picture of a Bradley, Beauchamp's lies slap you in the face. You can see that the driver, who sits at the forward left, never could see a dog approaching at a walk from the right rear. Further, it is physically impossible for a Bradley at dead slow to pivot quickly enough to the right to hit an unseen dog. Of course, the fact that the right track would have to be stopped just to attempt the maneuver raises the degree of difficulty to a point much higher than making a hole in one (on a 350-yard par 4).
It would seem a professional publication would employ competent fact checkers, if they really wanted truth to will out.
Never Ascribe to Malice What Ignorance Will Explain...
...though there is probably copious amounts of both in this commentary on The New Republic's handling of the Scott Beauchamp "Shock Troops" affair.
I'll be rather more kind to Mr. Sargent than he probably deserves.
There's been a very interesting turn in the saga of The New Republic's "Baghdad Diarist," the American soldier in Iraq who's been accused of fabricating negative stories about U.S. troops and publishing them in the mag.
For those of you who haven't been following this story, the soldier, Scott Thomas Beauchamp, came under withering criticism a few months ago by conservative bloggers who alleged he'd made up the stories about the troops. The Army conducted an internal investigation into the affair and concluded he'd largely fabricated them. TNR has stuck by Beauchamp, demanding that the Army publicly reveal whatever documents it had supporting the probe's conclusion. The Army has refused.
Time, facts and federal law have conspired against The New Republic, none of which are the exclusive domain of the United States Army.
Many documents related to this investigation, such as the sworn statements signed by PV-1 Beauchamp and other soldiers interviewed, in addition to certain aspects of adminstrative investigations (which this was), are not releasable to the public except as authorized by the soldier who is the subject of the report or statement.
In plain English, Beauchamp could likely release some or all of this documentation, if he desired to do so. The Army cannot release the information the magazine has asked for without his permission as a matter of federal privacy laws.
Well, guess what -- the Army may not be willing to reveal its docs to TNR, the target of its investigation, but it has just acknowledged that someone internally has willingly leaked them to Matt Drudge.
This again calls into question the Army's handling of this affair in a big way. It's bad enough that the Army hasn't been willing to show any transparency with regard to its probe into this. It's worse still that someone -- apparently an Army official -- is leaking some of the probe docs to Drudge, likely as part of an effort to get back at TNR.
"The Army" is a tremendously large organization, with varying viewpoints and points of contact. The PAO most directly involved with the overall story, Major Kirk Luedeke, came out almost immediately and acknowledged that the leak was in fact an Army leak. The Central Command FOIA office which has these and other documents related to the investigation stated in a pair of phone calls this morning that they were unaware of the Drudge story and the associated fall-out until today, and seemed genuinely surprised these documents could have become part of the public record.
I have good reason to believe, but cannot confirm, that this was an operation that happened outside the proper chain of contact for these documents. Those who are more involved with the story that would have had access to these documents know that they are part of pending FOIA requests in their final stages of preparation and legal review. The disclosure of these documents, in the manner they were distributed, is actually detrimental to the truth of the matter, which favors the military.
The Army's acknowledgment of this leak comes in Howard Kurtz's article today about this whole affair. Kurtz was following an item that appeared yesterday on Drudge revealing some of the docs from the investigation. At the end of Kurtz's article comes this, concerning TNR editor Franklin Foer:
Foer said the Army has refused to turn over supporting documents in the case, despite a Freedom of Information Act request, and then "selectively leaked" material to Drudge. In an e-mail to the magazine yesterday, Army spokesman Maj. Kirk Luedeke said he was "surprised and appalled that this information was leaked" and that the military would investigate.
In other words, an Army spokesman basically acknowledged here that while they're not willing to reveal the docs supporting their case to TNR, which is the actual target of its probe, someone internally is willing to give some stuff to Drudge, almost certainly with the intent to carry out payback against the mag. I'm not necessarily defending TNR here -- as Kevin Drum notes, this remains murky -- but the bottom line is that this Army conduct stinks really, really badly.
A completely inaccurate assessment. Acknowledgement of the leaks was occurring almost as soon as the story aired on Drudge. Far from Sargent's assertion that the military is in the process of stonewalling TNR on one hand while carrying out a smear on the other, the Central Command FOIA request office has been nothing but courteous, responsive, and professional when I've checked in for status updates and made additions to my original FOIA request, which was submitted September 9.
A simple phone call from TNR to the Centcom FOIA office in Tampa would provide them with the status of their request, a fact Foer and Sargent either did not know, or chose not to reveal. It is again worth mentioning that the documents Franklin Foer has directly asked for, such as Beauchamp's statements, could easily be released by Beauchamp himself.
The conduct of those soldiers I've worked with has been one of utter professionalism, not partisanship. We cannot say the same for Foer, or in regards to getting the facts accurately represented in this post, Sargent.
Glenn Greenwald, with his own sordid history of misrepresenting the truth in regards to the military, likewise attacks the Army in a similar manner, using the same flawed premises.
Greenwald accuses the military of being an "increasingly politicized, Republican-controlled division of the right-wing noise machine."
Reality, however shows us that as far as this story is concerned, it seems that only bloggers are doing the job that most journalists won't do, such as sending emails, asking questions, and making phone calls to those involved in the still-developing story.
Perhaps if Greenwald exhibited some interest in doing actual journalism from time to time, or even getting his facts in order before opining, I would not find him so easy to dismiss.
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Of course Greenwald hates them. They're doing the unforgivable -- they're winning.
Posted by: Ellison Ellensburg Wilson at October 25, 2007 08:27 PM (zLIh0)
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Not to mention that the vast majority of the military votes Republican.
There is a reason Algore wanted to keep the absentee ballots that arrived by military mail from being counted in Florida in 2000.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 25, 2007 09:33 PM (ysloH)
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Would PV Beauchamp have had access to these documents?
Just a thought.
Posted by: Peter at October 26, 2007 07:07 AM (UCyWh)
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If, in fact, Army personnel did leak these documents they should receive the same punishment that the NY Times editors received when they leaked National Security information. Probably a promotion and a raise!
Posted by: Faith at October 26, 2007 07:50 AM (bJVrt)
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Depending upon who sent these documents to Drudge, they may not have been leaked. Certainly any soldier who wrote up the document has a copy of them, and is able to send them to whomever they want.
Posted by: Diggs at October 26, 2007 08:24 AM (6T736)
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Diggs, any unauthorized document release is considered a leak by my understanding. There is a proper procedure for releasing these docs, and it was circumvented.
Posted by: belloscm at October 26, 2007 09:50 AM (XbsvD)
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The PAO most directly involved with the overall story, Major Kirk Luedeke, came out almost immediately and acknowledged that the leak was in fact an Army leak.
Permit me a quibble.
The leak seems to have come from someone with access to the records in the Army's possession, but calling it an "Army leak" implies that the Army in some way sanctioned or allowed the leak to occur.
My guess is a NCO in the personnel records section did the leaking, meaning someone in the Army leaked it, which of course is what you mean anyway.
I'm too far removed from my USMC days to remember what the personnel records section is called, and its probably designated differently by the Army in any event. But - if its done similarly to the way its done in the USMC - these records would be accessible by a relatively small group of people that maintain them.
I'm sure they know exactly which people to ask about the leak, and I'm equally sure that this is an 'honor' leak, and if anyone knows who leaked it, they won't say.
I've just found myself growing apprehensive about the way this whole "Army leak" thing is being talked about, as if "The US Army" leaked it.
And no, unless Beauchump works in his company HQ, he wouldn't have access to these records. Remember Radar from MASH? It was a guy in a HQ job like his that did this, or that's my guess. Someone PO'd at Beauchump that wants the story out, or knew it was coming out and wanted to play footsie with Drudge.
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CY, great job on this. Drudge smudge, without you none of this would ever have come out.
Posted by: DaveW at October 26, 2007 09:57 AM (L04de)
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bello, I posted without reading your comment, so wasn't arguing with your post.
FWIW, Beauchump would have copies of his article 15 determination, but I doubt he'd have access to the transcripts and whatnot associated with the investigation.
He'd have a copy of the "charge sheet" and whatever he walked away from the Art 15 with. I don't see how he'd get copies of transcripts of phone calls with TNR.
Frankly, I'm surprised there even are such transcripts, and boy does their existence bode ill for TNR.
Posted by: DaveW at October 26, 2007 10:03 AM (L04de)
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An interesting comment from this Sargent screed: that TNR is the target of the Army's investigation. Huh??? The Army has been remarkably responsible to the soldier at the center of this whole thing, and it was the soldier that was the target of the investigation, not TNR. The Army, I'm sure, has grown accustom to the libels of the MSM and, from all accounts I've read, never contended that it was investigating the TNR. A little honestly, please??
Posted by: David B at October 26, 2007 10:12 AM (A1NeL)
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I'm still not willing to let "Gene" the lawyer off the hook. It says right there in the phone call that Beauchamp was going to fax his signature to Gene giving permission for the army to turn over the stuff that was in the file 3.pdf. I wouldn't be surprised if Beauchamp and his sargent also thought it would be helpful/appropriate to send the 2 pdf's of the phone transcript to Gene, too.
I'm not saying that Gene intentionally leaked them. Just that the world is full of people who are naive, clueless and/or careless about security, and a clerical person in the law office might have found the allure of feeding drudge too much to resist.
Anyway, the army should know who ever had custody of those 3 pdf files. If the lawyer only got one or two of them, then his office is off the hook. But if those three docs were given to the lawyer, then somebody ought to be asking questions at Gene's office, too.
Posted by: cathyf at October 26, 2007 10:45 AM (R3XcU)
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As always, I am amused at the slighting reference to "conservative bloggers" questioning the Beauchamp stories. There are vets on the liberal side too, any one of which ought to have detected the whiff of BS immediately. And yet... I am reminded of Kos and the whole "chemical weapons in Fallujah" non story. Kos claims to have been an artilleryman, and as such ought to have been quite familiar with WP ordnance, its use and effects, and yet he led the charge against US forces.
For decades people in the military were harrassed with the bogus "had to destroy the village in order to save it" quote, which we now know was invented by Peter Arnett to slander the troops and mindlessly parrotted by people considering themselves pure and well intentioned and morally superior. This is the same thing, all over again - invented stories, playing to the left's preferred narrative, that despite their gaping flaws are uncritically swallowed because even if they are false they're too good not to be true.
So the new mantra of the left is: even if it's a lie, if it makes us feel good it's true.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at October 26, 2007 11:11 AM (Vcyz0)
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Speaking of bloggers, Michael Yon seems to have one of the best takes on the story.
The Rule of Second Chances
Beauchamp's CO says Beauchamp made a big mistake, but he owned up to it, and wants to go back in, so he is. It's been cleared up at the unit level.
"... LTC Glaze told me that Beauchamp wanted to stay and make it right. Whatever price he has to pay, he is paying it."
The New Republic, on the other hand, has surely made a mess of their reputation. Sounds like Beauchamp is a better man than the guy at TNR.
Posted by: ZZMike at October 26, 2007 11:21 AM (9kYWY)
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Mis-direction and changing the subject is SOP for the Left, especially when it gets called out after one of its childish stunts backfires. Two weeks ago, it was manufactured outrage over an improbable utterance by Rush Limbaugh following the genuine outrage over the MoveOn-Democrats 'Betray Us' embarrassment.
In this case, better for the Left's meme merchants to lure the discussion into a fog of legalisms and the minutae of military procedure, manufacturing a diversionary issue to take the spotlight off of where it belongs -- the mendacity of those entrusted with the privilege of keeping us informed.
Posted by: Vinny Vidivici at October 26, 2007 11:45 AM (O+oXe)
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Because the MSM & Greenwald types firmly believe the motive of any criticism from their right is impure, they have no problem seeing themselves (and their ilk) as victims whenever it occurs.
Lacking the ability of honest self-examination, they'll continue doing the same thing - they're simply not capable of learning.
Assuming they aren't just trying to provide covering fire for TNR.
Posted by: BD at October 26, 2007 12:24 PM (ezlAc)
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Even on board the Titanic, after it hit the iceberg, there were some survivors. Yeah. The water was cold! And, it's not "luxury travel" on board a life raft, either. But it's nice to stay alive.
Or, to paraphrase Winston Churchill: It's nice, when someone shoots at you, that the bullet zings by, and misses. He said this was EXHILERATING.
Foer's premise is that TNR's hands were tied. They could spiel out what the army was saying; but from Beauchamp? Nada.
Then?
Michael Yon shows up with a compliment tossed out about how Beauchamp, who could have left the army, (to follow his Hemingway-esk career), actually made the decision to STAY. And, to go out on risky assignments with others in his outfit.
For what it's worth. TNR has fired Elspeth Reeves. And, they've plastered over the holes in Beauchamp's story, with the "fact" that they tried to get Beauchamp, himself, to retract the stories AT the magazine. That printed them. To no avail.
Is journalism a club?
Yes. It is.
Similar to Skulls & Bones? You know. Where even if you go to Yale, you're not let "in." To get "in" you hae to be a member of the club.
And, the club? Is protecting one of its own.
How come Beauchamp never just told Foer to go fly a kite?
Up ahead? Well, Beauchamp is stuck. Because whatever words he says "publicly" about his stories ... Foer can honestly claim were never put in front of the magazine.
You know what I think? Beauchamp is playing this thing for all its worth! For a young kid out of journalism school; I don't know if he's gonna hit the "Hemingway" stature. But as a con artist? WOW. This kid's got the world figured out.
Sure. Foer's got "his side of the story."
Unfortunately, TNR is the Titanic. It's reputation is getting busted up.
While the members of the exclusive club, just go about talking to one another. Pretty sure that the blogosphere ain't mainstreet.
Posted by: Carol Herman at October 26, 2007 12:39 PM (q0Srt)
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Twice, Mr. Sargent describes TNR as "the target of the investigation."
That means that he makes two misstatement two times. Many on the left seem to think that if you repeat a falehood often enough, it will come to be seen as true. Maybe, but only if people who care about the truth let them.
First, the Army's investigation is over. We all know what the meaning of meaning of "is" is, don't we?
But more importantly, TNR was not the "target" of the investigation. TNR is not in the Army, and the Army has more important things to do that attack the ethical standards of opinion journals, even pushovers like TNR. His view that the Army is trying to harm the TNR because it is in league with right-wingers is nothing but a symptom of leftist paranoia.
The left needs to cling to their myths. They simply cannot process the truth, if it contradicts the myth. So they cannot accept that Beauchamp's stories were baloney, like they cannot accept that it was not the White House, but war opponent Richard Armitage, who outed Valerie Plame, that none of what the Swifties said about Kerry has been discredited... I could go on, but my lunch hour is ending. It's tiresome, but we have to keep pushing back.
Posted by: Jim O'Sullivan at October 26, 2007 12:55 PM (kKccv)
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I read TNR's explanation of their investigation. It is logical and reasonable. It could easily be accepted as an argument for wait-and-see by, well, anyone WHO HAS NOT BOTHERED TO READ THE TRANSCRIPTS. For those who have read the transcripts, it is obvious they are up to their ears in it, and still digging. What a load of horsesh!t. Someone show Foer the doer.
Jack Straw
Posted by: Jack Straw at October 26, 2007 03:28 PM (6gzW/)
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Kind of OT but here is what a friend of mine is doing to support our armed forces:
The author of I Wanna Go Home, Karridine, has authorized me to give away 1,000 free copies of the song to our men and women in the military for personal use only. However, recipients of a free copy can let anybody listen to it if they want. Members of the military can put it on their i-pod, use it on their computer, or make one CD.
You can find out how to get a free copy at 1,000 Free Copies.
CY: If you want a copy for review e-mail me. My e-mail address is on the sidebar.
Posted by: M. Simon at October 26, 2007 04:00 PM (eeb3t)
Drudge scooped me (arrgghhh!) with two documents related to the Beauchamp/TNR story. I had asked for in a FOIA request submitted more than a month ago to the U.S. Army. Those documents including a transcript of the call between Scott Beauchamp, TNR editor Franklin Foer, and TNR executive editor Peter Scoblic on September 7. I first wrote about the conversation itself previously.
The other document was the Army's official report, which I first discussed with the investigating officer, Major John Cross, on September 10.
Knowing the documents exist is one thing; having them is quite another. Now that they have been posted on the public record, these disclosures should end careers at The New Republic.
Have at it:
Transcript, Part 1
Army Investigation
As always, Allahpundit is on top of the story over at Hot Air, so I'll send you over there for analysis until I can delve into the story again in more detail.
I would ask one question before I go, though:
Did Foer really get an email from Beauchamps' wife during the conference call, or was it merely the lie of a desperate editor trying futilely to save his job?
We know that Beauchamp had his cell phone and laptop returned to him after his op-sec violation investigation was over, which he could use every day when he was not working.
If Foer was bluffing, Beauchamp probably knew it in advance.
Update:A huge apology to Michael Goldfarb. If he hadn't had the sharp eyes to note probable fiction and ask for help from the blogosphere back in July, there is every possibility that Beauchamp's false narratives would have gone unchallenged as ""truth." The story started with Mike, and continues there today.
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Bob, it is only through your hard work, persistence and drive that this story exists where it is today. Having Drudge get the hits on the final nail will NEVER change the fact that you made this story! You did us all proud: without your well written, well researched, and well documented work I would never have had a chance to learn how far TNR would fall.
You have done this in the past, your reports are a must read, and your efforts are noticed.
Thank you.
posted by Diane at October 24, 2007 01:48 PM
...posted below, but worth a second go!
Posted by: Diane at October 24, 2007 01:56 PM (YdEmI)
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Liberals are very childlike in their gullibility, aren't they?
If any lefties dare show up to this thread, instead of admitting they were snookered, they will just say "Bah. No big deal. You wingers are always making mountains out of molehills."
Suckers.
Posted by: marcus at October 24, 2007 02:04 PM (THocc)
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Yeah, Bob. What Diane said. You've done yeoman's work on this. Thanks.
Posted by: Kadnine at October 24, 2007 02:04 PM (9AJic)
Reading that transcript it amazing, how Beauchamp is hanging TNR out to dry. "I just don't want to talk about it anymore." That is right, ignore it and it will just go away.
You can just sense Foer realizing that he is screwed as the transcript goes on.
Posted by: SA Miller at October 24, 2007 02:15 PM (FjERR)
Posted by: Dusty at October 24, 2007 02:21 PM (GJLeQ)
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Putting the truth ahead of your pride. Bob, you're a class act.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at October 24, 2007 02:22 PM (oC8nQ)
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YAH!!! Always a nice thing to see... TNR is going down in flames and maaaaaaaaaaaaan it's sweet! Good Job Bob and Kudos to you! Happy to have lent a hand!
Posted by: Big Country at October 24, 2007 02:23 PM (8dJDM)
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I especially like the part where Scoblic says he's been on leave. Places fingers in ears, shuts eyes tight, and says Na,na,na,Can't hear you any more.
Posted by: glenn at October 24, 2007 02:24 PM (zp+Xy)
However, I am curious as to why there is a transcript of a phone call in the first place?
I was a JAG in the Army and don't recall anyone's personal phone calls being taken down verbatim by a court reporter. That seems kind of strange to me. Unless, either
a) Beauchamp asked for it to be transcribed b/c he was worried about what TNR would claim he said; or
b) TNR had the conversation transcribed.
If it was the Army that had the conversation transcribed (and by implication that the Army would not allow Beauchamp to speak with anyone without listening in the first instance), I find that strange.
Does anyone have any idea about this?
Posted by: Great Banana at October 24, 2007 02:32 PM (JFj6P)
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I'm not amused. Every person in that conversation is experiencing pain. The TNR editors had contracted with someone who was supposed to provide true, gritty stories. They were loyal to him, perhaps foolishly. Now they are probably sunk. (Maybe another shoe will drop.) I admire Bush for his loyalty, even though it has sometimes been misplaced. Maybe Foer wasn't being loyal to Beauchamp. I can't read his mind. If he was, that loyalty is admirable. Loyal to Beauchamp and loyal to the truth would be even better.
Yours,
Wince
Posted by: Wince at October 24, 2007 02:39 PM (lhJxs)
Congratulations on a job well done. Thanks for keeping an eye on the subject, and TNR's feet to the fire.
It's this sort of doggedness and relentless pursuit of the truth that old-fashioned journalism used to be about, and why the Fourth Estate used to be a term laden with meaning.
Posted by: Lurking Observer at October 24, 2007 02:43 PM (/ZD7V)
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Hi Bob, I was able to access the first transcript and then got nothing but 404 on further attempts. Might just be my setup...has anybody else run into problems or has it been yanked?
Posted by: John H at October 24, 2007 02:45 PM (Pay8H)
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Bob! You're the bomb! Check that: you're the Bomb Diggity. Which if you keep up with the youngster's lexicon these days, you know that's a compliment in the highest regard.
Something is up. Drudge made the pdf's disappear. I get 404 page faults when I click on the link.
Did TNR get to Matt?
Posted by: nocoen at October 24, 2007 02:51 PM (xyMAo)
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Also, Bob, this is way more than you should have gotten out of an FOIA request. The army takes pretty seriously the principle of protecting the privacy of personnel records, and so anything you get via FOIA ought to be heavily redacted. The army did not kick him out, they counselled him, got him to start saying the right things, and they clearly are giving him another chance to straighten up which he has accepted. I can't imagine that the army would have allowed these documents to be released unredacted. They are utterly humiliating to TNR, which the army doesn't care about, but they are embarassing to Beauchamp, and the army clearly does care about that.
I've seen speculation elsewhere that these are the docs that Beauchamp gave the permission to be released to "his" lawyer, Gene, that they talk about in the call. That makes sense -- somebody in Gene's office leaked them to drudge.
Posted by: cathyf at October 24, 2007 02:51 PM (R3XcU)
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yep, they're pulled. Allah over at Hot Air noticed it too and is wondering if Matt might have gotten suckered. Stay tuned kiddies...
Oh and that takes nothing away from the excellent work you've done Bob! Thanks for your perseverance and steadfastness.
I almost feel sorry for Foer and TNR, but only almost. OTOH, I do feel sorry for his wife on several levels.
Posted by: John H at October 24, 2007 02:55 PM (Pay8H)
I thought it might have been a transcription by TNR at first, but 1.pdf has what I think a revealing nugget on page 6 of 7. The first Beauchamp comment recorded ends "... (sips water)" and it seems to me the only one knowing Beauchamp sipped water would be the one transcibing it and could see it, unless this was a video hookup, too. On that basis, I'd say this conversation was transcribed by the Army.
I did find it interesting the footer date is 17 July 07. Off hand, I would guess this is the date the Army investigation was started and it is one day before the first Weekly Standard story calling research a "mission for bloggers".
(As a side note, I apologise to anyone who was on this story before that TWS post but this one is sticking in my mind right now as the kickstarter and I want to be disbused of this impression if I have remember incorrectly.)
Posted by: Dusty at October 24, 2007 02:56 PM (GJLeQ)
Thanks. I was not able to see the documents as I got an error message and they seem to be down now. What you cite does seem to me to indicate it was an Army transcription.
While I believe that Beauchamp's stories were complete fabrications, I don't think this is quite the nail it looks like.
If, in fact, not only was the Army known to be listening to the conversation, but also to be transcribing it - there arises a credible agrument that TNR can make - i.e., that Beauchamp was afraid to stand by his story for fear of discipline.
The transcript, if real, would have been much more devastating to TNR if the Army did not listen in to the phone call and it was TNR who had the conversation transcribed. In that case it would be much harder to make the above argument.
The people at TNR and their believers also won't put any stock in the Army investigation and report. They are already predisposed to think badly of the army, thus they will simply think the Army is lying and doing a cover-up.
So, these docs don't really move the ball on getting TNR to admit its unethical behavior and admitting that the stories were not true.
Posted by: Great Banana at October 24, 2007 03:03 PM (JFj6P)
Posted by: SA Miller at October 24, 2007 03:11 PM (FjERR)
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I was going to note that Drudge may have pulled the story for the moment because of some error collating the pdf's.
I did happen to notice in 3.pdf, that there is an error in the beginning of the Army's Summary, to wit, shock Troops was "posted" (published) on 13 July, not 17 July, per my screen shot of TNR's pages. Not a big deal but ...
For the record, I will be quite unhappy with Drudge if he did not get the documents, particularly the Army docs, from either Beauchamp, his wife or lawyer. And if he did not, I won't shed a tear if he is sued. If it was leaked by someone in the Army, I hope they find and discipline whoever it was.
Posted by: Dusty at October 24, 2007 03:47 PM (GJLeQ)
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Re the last comment, I base it on the understanding that the formal army docs (not the transcripts) docs can't be released without Beauchamp's permission. I have no idea what the protocol is wrt to those.
Posted by: Dusty at October 24, 2007 03:49 PM (GJLeQ)
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The first pdf was scanned on an HP Digital Sender with its clock set to Baghdad time zone. The ModifyDate field in the file metadata is
2007-10-12T10:39:09+03:00
The "+03:00" indicates the time zone, and +3 is Baghdad time.
Posted by: Molon Labe at October 24, 2007 03:54 PM (kYpqT)
Pretty much the same for 2.pdf, except the time is 10:39:51.
3.pdf appears to be 2007-08-24T09:40:51+04:00.
Posted by: Dusty at October 24, 2007 04:25 PM (GJLeQ)
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I suspect, based on my experience in the Reserves since I came back in in '06, that every orderly room in the Army has one of those HP Digital Senders. Nice devices....
And I suspect that whoever sent them out might not have been authorized to do so....
Posted by: SGT Jeff (USAR) at October 24, 2007 04:30 PM (yiMNP)
Updates 2: Getting some email that the docs are forgeries. I doubt it. I read them. And I had seen the transcripts weeks ago.
Posted by: JustADude at October 24, 2007 04:30 PM (1aM/I)
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Doubt it was a video interview since TNR asked Beauchamp twice who was with in the room with him and Beauchamp's answer included the fact that he was on the speakerphone, as well as naming other attendees.
Posted by: capitano at October 24, 2007 04:32 PM (+NO33)
Thanks, ML, I went to dinner right after commenting and that difference was bugging me.
Posted by: Dusty at October 24, 2007 06:31 PM (GJLeQ)
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Foer still has to explain why all references to Beauchamp and this scandal had already been removed from the TNR site in a tacit confession of the story's complete bogus-ness.
Posted by: Karen Schell at October 24, 2007 07:04 PM (y0zrG)
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Little Green Footballs blog has the pdf files of this.
Posted by: Delphina at October 24, 2007 07:21 PM (7EAvM)
Karen, in an e-mail to Instapundit, TNR says they are doing some site-server upgrades. They gave him the urls to the pages in question which he relays on his blog and they work. So it seems they were not scrubbed.
Posted by: Dusty at October 24, 2007 07:25 PM (GJLeQ)
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Does anyone else think it a bit strange that Foer is passing on STB's wife's comment re: how important it is he not recant? If it was that important to her, wouldn't she have made that pitch directly to him (of course I'm assuming they're still speaking to each other)? Call me a cynic, but I'm thinking Foer made that up too.
Posted by: Kyle at October 24, 2007 08:04 PM (8uzdZ)
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"Karen, in an e-mail to Instapundit, TNR says they are doing some site-server upgrades."
Thanks for the reply, Dusty. I wondered why all of the pages mentioning the scandal were missing, Even TNRs responses to critics in the Plank blog. Seems odd all - and I do mean "all" - the references have been missing in action for at least two weeks (according to Glenn's post).
I'm curious if these items will turn up in the TNR search when the site's "redesign" is complete.
Thanks again for that info!
Posted by: Karen Schell at October 24, 2007 08:07 PM (y0zrG)
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Time will tell, but some places have said Ms Beauchamp is not with TNR any more.
If they have indeed split company would she and Scott possibly have slipped the docs out?????
Bob
Any thoughts on if this is maybe true or not?
Posted by: JustADude at October 24, 2007 08:07 PM (1aM/I)
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One of the guys over at BlackFive recently embedded in Iraq and had a meet up with Scott he was all sort of hush hush about.
Wonder if that ties in any way here.
He was hinting of news to be breaking at the time.
Posted by: JustADude at October 24, 2007 08:10 PM (1aM/I)
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TNR has no been shy about sending lawyers out to do their dirty work about this issue.
Maybe they pointed them at Drudge.
Posted by: JustADude at October 24, 2007 08:12 PM (1aM/I)
JustADude, There was an offhand remark on a friend of Scott's blog that she didn't work there anymore but it wasn't specific that she quit, was fired, or laid off, just that she wasn't working there anymore. I checked TNR's masthead page where her name had appeared under the heading (IIRC) "Reporter-Researchers", and it had been removed.
I don't remember seeing any further verification than that.
Posted by: Dusty at October 24, 2007 08:54 PM (GJLeQ)
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This didn't come at a good time for CanWest, the public Canadian corporation that is the owner of The New Republic. Suffering from a significant stock decline since mid-Spring. As the firm is also cross-listed on NYSE, one would wonder what ramifications may exist should CanWest executives have permitted the publication and continuation of knowingly false information by TNR that was certain to further damage the credibility and subsequent circulation and financial condition of one of their significant properties.
CanWest is listed on the Toronto Exchange under the ticker CGS
I'd really like to see Sarbanes-Oxley used to investigate public media firms that artificially prop up their stock price by refusing to disclose material findings of major credibility-damaging disasters like this latest TNR "cooked news" episode. Rumor has it Jeff Skilling and Bernie Ebbers could use a Foerth.
Posted by: redherkey at October 24, 2007 08:59 PM (kjqFg)
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Apparently Foer gave an interview earlier today, in which he claimed that "the documents relating to Scott Thomas Beauchamp that Matt Drudge posted this afternoon--and removed several hours later without explanation--could have only come from the Army".
http://www.observer.com/2007/tnrs-foer-drudges-documents-could-have-come-only-army
Note that Foer is not claiming any sort of fabrication, only complaining that the truth was leaked.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 24, 2007 09:07 PM (JlbQl)
Just wasn't sure and didn't want to name the wrong places I saw it.
Posted by: JustADude at October 24, 2007 09:38 PM (1aM/I)
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I saw in the Observer thing that Foer claimed he'd been trying to get the info via a FOIA request and had failed. So I was wondering - as I read the law, you should be able to do a FOIA request to find out who else, if anyone, had made FOIA requests for these docs.
I would do it, but I'm not sure which office to send the request to.
Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2007 09:48 PM (jNJeh)
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Just speculation, but I would venture that the Army offered to transcribe the phone interview and Beauchamp consented. By the time this interview took place, Beauchamp would have already seen that TNR was willing to "frame the narrative" in terms favorable to themselves (the Bradley expert, claims that access to Beauchamp was being denied, etc...). If I was his squad leader, I would have recommended that he make sure that every interaction with media was above-board and able to be fully documented.
As to who did the leaking, it seems the Army has handled everything up to this point above reproach and is not likely to be involved in a leak. This situation is radioactive in Army terms and any under-the-table dealings could be career-ending if caught. The attorney's office would be where I would start looking. The documents certainly appear authentic, speaking as someone who has done an AR 15-6 investigation. They are rigidly formatted and tremendously time-intensive... I had little time to work on anything else while conducting the investigation.
Posted by: Stashiu3 at October 24, 2007 09:54 PM (pf8ao)
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Foer complaining in the Observer about leaks of a transcript of telephone call in which he participated in is pretty funny given that they hadn't acknowledged the call had ever taken place either. He submitted a FOIA for a transcript of his own telephone call?
What happened to all Franklin's fact checking? If they verified everything as they claimed, why do they even need Beauchamp's stuff? Why doesn't Franklin spill the beans on TNR's vaunted fact checking machine, or lack thereof as part of the process? The desperation is palpable from reading those transcripts.
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 24, 2007 11:46 PM (0pZel)
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By any chance does TNR have offices in southern California ? It's pretty obvious now that their credibility is up in smoke.
Posted by: Neo at October 24, 2007 11:58 PM (Yozw9)
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I don't mean to be sensationalistic here but should we have federal laws that classify such wrong doing as treason and punished accordingly.
If it's unlawful to yell 'fire' in a theatre, shouldn't it be also unlawful to write AND PUBLISH fabrications that will tend to incite our enemies - especially in a time of war.
I haven't researched the specifics but I'm guessing that the author's fabrications were gleefully dispersed by our enemies and used a recruiting material to justify more jihad.
And now that the absolute falsehood of his reports have ben recanted and disproven, the damage has been done and we won't be able to get that Jeanie back into the bottle again.
THAT is what makes these types of fabrications so incredibly harmful and devious and the people who are responsible for their creation and careless publication, once convicted, should face a firing squad.
And that should include the leaking of classified national secrets at the NY Times as well.
Enough is enough already!
Posted by: Russ at October 25, 2007 01:58 AM (mTsl+)
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What better way to change the conversation- Army records soldiers phone calls then releases the records to the media. This is now about the Army and not TNR. The Dems in Congress can get their teeth into this.
Posted by: davod at October 25, 2007 04:55 AM (llh3A)
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Bob - You kept the story alive and pushed it forward each and every time. That heat from you and those who also concentrated on it raised the heat on all involved: TNR, Beauchamp, and any and all lawyers. As soon as you get *staff* involved in these things they do not remain out of view for long in the modern age.
Russ - You would want the Sedition Laws as pertaining to the Armed Forces: 18 USC 2387 for peace time, and 18 USC 2388 in time of war. They are part of Chapter 115 covering Treason, Sedition and Subversive Activities. As the Armed Forces are on a Congressionally Authorized Use of Force, which has been seen as a DoW, it is 'in time of war'. That is something all the news agencies really must deal with, as well as reporting on things in a war zone as the Geneva Conventions strictly limit what can and cannot be shown. That is handled under 18 USC Chapter 118 - War Crimes for the civil side, the military having 10 USC to cover their activities. False reporting of a War Crime would also fit into the TNR story and problem, and such would fall both under Ch. 115 and 118.
The US Armed Forces can very well document such conversations as the Executive Authority during war time, overseas, for 10 USC investigations are handled differently, especially with regard to war crimes. As the defilement of any territory under control of a foreign force is specifically prohibited by the 1899 Hague Convention, that would be the case here. The Armed Forces do have wide discretion in such as it *should* for the investigation of war crimes.
TNR forgot that there is more to the Civil Code than just civilians and in pursuit of a 10 USC investigation. Part of the problem with FISA is a deliberate attempt to blur between the 10 USC areas for military work and the rest of the US Code. In theory 10 USC should govern locally and requests on that basis should not go through FISA... yet we have a soldier dead because the blurry lines put in by Congress now cloud that issue. My guess would be the conversation transcription as part of the Beauchamp investigation under 10 USC got filed over to permanent documents and those went to file clerks... *staff*.
Posted by: ajacksonian at October 25, 2007 06:30 AM (oy1lQ)
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I really wonder why they used the term (unintelligible) when what was really said was .
Heh, indeed.
Blogosphere: 42,377 Lamestream Media: 0
Posted by: NavyspyII at October 25, 2007 08:30 AM (ZM3Qb)
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In Foer's latest interview he said, "He obviously was under considerable duress during that conversation, with his commanding officer in the room with him."
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at October 25, 2007 09:16 AM (oC8nQ)
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An E-6 squad leader is neither a commander or an officer. Beauchamp's commanding officer would be his company commander, most likely a Captain.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at October 25, 2007 09:18 AM (oC8nQ)
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Not that I think Foer is being deceitful, just ignorant about the military. Sorry for breaking my post up, but I kept getting a posting error.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at October 25, 2007 09:19 AM (oC8nQ)
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The documents certainly appear authentic, speaking as someone who has done an AR 15-6 investigation. They are rigidly formatted and tremendously time-intensive... I had little time to work on anything else while conducting the investigation.
Does anybody else get the impression from reading the report that
a) the army considers Beauchamp's behavior more obnoxious than anything else (I can almost see the assistant-principal eye roll and hear the exasperated sigh); and
b) as far as the army is concerned, if TNR was stupid enough to get sucked in by Beauchamp's pathetic Hemingway fantasies then it just goes to prove that the MSM is pretty lame. (What's the phrase? "A mouse with delusions of being a rat" -- seems to fit TNR pretty well...)
Posted by: cathyf at October 25, 2007 09:53 AM (R3XcU)
Yup, that's a spinning Foer for you. But Foer's crude Elspeth card is just playful banter. While Kurtz can only report it, what annoys me more is that Kurtz misleads here:
"Beauchamp's July 13 column, published under the pen name Scott Thomas, was quickly attacked by conservative bloggers, sparking the biggest crisis for the liberal magazine since staff writer Stephen Glass was fired in 1998 for a series of fabricated stories.
Beauchamp had written that he and other soldiers had taunted a female soldier whose face was badly disfigured. The Army report said every soldier interviewed in Beauchamp's unit could not recall such a woman and called the account 'completely fabricated.'"
Howard Kurtz, WaPo 25 Oct 2007
You may have it half written already, CY, because you've had to correct other versions like this mischaracterization of events by omission of essential facts:
-- Beauchamp claimed it happened in Iraq and suggested this dishonorable action was a byproduct of becoming the cruel monster that all soldiers are, because, all soldiers find this type of behavior to be funny, since "That is how war works: It degrades every part of you, and your sense of humor is no exception."
-- When called on event by milbloggers and others, including some that went to the COP's Beauchamp frequented in an attempt to verify it, Beauchamp and then Foer admitted it was false, and then claimed it really happened in Kuwait before he'd ever been in Iraq and before "How war works" could degraded him.
The Army's confirmation it was fantasy wasn't determinative, it was icing on the cake.
Posted by: Dusty at October 25, 2007 10:53 AM (GJLeQ)
Milblogger "Greyhawk," currently deployed in Baghdad, Iraq, Oct. 16, 2007, and again in more detail on Oct. 19, 2007.
"The news out of Iraq just keeps getting worse."
New York Times Editorial Board, Manhattan, NY, Oct. 23, 2007
Writing at his blog, Jules Crittenden, a Boston Herald editor and columnist notes the continuing failure of another media organization, the Associated Press, to also honestly deal with evolving conditions on the group in Iraq that have seen both Iraqi civilian deaths and U.S. military deaths drop in recent months.
In his new home at the Weekly Standard, Dean Barnett notes the plunging casualties:
The results of the surge, or "the escalation" as Harry Reid derisively called it, have been obvious in the Icasualties.org numbers. Before the surge, a bad month would claim the lives of roughly 3,000 Iraqi civilians and security force members. In February '07, the exact number was 3,014 Iraqi casualties. In March, the figure was 2,977. As the surge began to have its effects, that number dropped to 1674 in August. In September, with the surge taking full effect, the numbers showed a profound change--the Iraqi death toll plunged to 848.
Happily, September's figures don't appear to be an aberration. October has seen 502 Iraqi casualties so far. If the trend continues though the end of October, the final number should be around 650 for the entire month. That represents better than an 80 percent improvement from the war's nadir.
YOU'D THINK THIS would be a big story. After all, the mainstream media makes such a show of "supporting the troops" at every turn, you'd think it would rush to report the amazing story of our soldiers accomplishing what many observers declared "impossible" and "unwinnable" not so long ago.
But the mainstream media can't actually support the troops, can they?
Despite the onionskin-thin layers of nuance favored by those on the extreme edge of the progressive movement, the leadership (but not the rank and file) of the Democrat Party, and the editorial offices of many newsrooms, in real-life, supporting the troops really does mean supporting the mission.
The platitude of those that claim "we support the troops, but not the war," is an empty one; analogous to claiming that they support doctors, but not practicing medicine on certain patients even if they have the same disease.
"Iraqis? No. Why don't you go treat those people in Darfur instead..."
And so we get stories like the latest from AP’s Steven R. Hurst noted by Crittenden, where every possible silver lining is discarded in worship of the cloud.
We get editors that would rather torpedo their careers than admit they were wrong.
We get columnists that refuse to concede to hope.
And of course, we get fakedmassacres, fauxtography, gross inaccuracies, false premises, buried stories and preferrential treatment for fellow defeatists, all because those multiple layers of reporters, fact-checkers, and editors are determined to craft a message that they can be comfortable with publishing, that echoes their values and their beliefs of how the world should work.
In that world, a bumbling, semi-articulate President with approval ratings in the 30s, that has made on mistake after another related to the war, simply cannot be in charge when we win a war that they do not support, because of him.
As they have told us repeatedly: This. Is. Bush's. War.
They might be able to do a better job moderating their disdain for the military if it was simply run by the right POTUS; just preferably not a simpering idiot from Texas, or at least not a Republican one.
But as much as he is detested in newsrooms and dining rooms across America, George W. Bush is the President of the United States, and because of this unpalatable fact, it is simply unfathomable to the media and theri supporters on the fringe left that General Petraeus and the soldiers under him could shift strategies to take advantage of and exploit shifting public opinions in Iraq to execute a counterinsurgency doctrine that has Sunni and Shia joining forces with the U.S. and Iraqi security forces to stamp out criminal gangs, insurgents, rogue militias, and terrorists at what seems like an exponential rate.
We find ourselves in late October of 2007 with a war that, while not "over" in terms of ending all violence and all terror attacks, is "over" in that there is little doubt who the winner of the conflict will be.
There will not be a sectarian ""civil war" in Iraq, perhaps best evidenced by the fact that the media—excuse me, actual reporters in Iraq, not plaintive Timeseditorialists—have quietly let the claim die. Just as quietly, they have stopped wondering if Iraqi security forces will be able to hold together, and instead focus on corruption in the higher ranks.
At the present rate, the only way the media could shift goalposts faster is if the crane moving the goalposts was attached to Jeff Gordon's stock car.
While the opinion of the Iraqi people has drastically changed in past months and they seem to see the outcome being decided in their favor and sooner rather than later, the world media, led by the U.S. media, is refusing to acknowledge the possibility that the outcome of the war (if not the end of the counterinsurgency effort) may be decided before President Bush leaves office, making him the victor.
While the security forces of Iraq and allied nations seem to be turning/defeating the insurgency in Iraq, we are having considerably less success fighting an insurgent media that refuses to yield ground—unless forced every step of the way—by what they consider an unpleasant reality. The dead-enders of the Iraqi insurgency will likely meet their end via a bullet from Iraqi soldiers, policemen, or the growing number of civilians styled as "concerned citizens."
Some of the insurgent media is being "killed off" in rather spectacular blaze of glory, and some dead-ender media companies may one day collapse utterly for being unwilling to change. That admitted, most journalists, if for no other reason than their personal bottom lines, will eventually begrudgingly admit success, or at least change the subject.
Like the terrorists our soldiers fight, the biased media doesn’t have to like being defeated. Sometimes "winning hearts and minds" amounts to just beating them enough to take the fight out of them and focus their efforts elsewhere, which is already occurring on newspaper front pages.
This is the way "Bush's War" will end in the media: not with a bang, but with a whimper.
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Bob, go to Drudge. He says he's obtained transcripts of the conversations between Beauchamp and Foer (& TNR editorial staff). Interesting stuff, but nothing we didn't already know. The question is, how did he get them, and who does the leak benefit? This line makes me think the editors might be trying to save face, and present themselves as exemplars of journalistic ethics:
"The editors respond that, "we just can't, in good conscience, continue to defend the piece" without an explanation, but Beauchamp responds only that he "doesn't care what the public thinks."
So is the leaker a TNR staffer, the editors or does Beauchamp long for another fifteen minutes? I'll leave it to you to delve deeper. Oh, and keep up the good work.
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Indeed, the NYTimes is now entering TNR territory with its abject denial of reality.
Several years ago, when The SCO Group launched its lawsuits against Novell and IBM, many in the open source community looked at the hard facts and realized the reality was 180 degrees out of phase with SCO's complaints. I predicted then that SCO's outcome would be a complete and total collapse (although many in the news media, including predominant Forbes magazine editors, felt a SCO victory was most likely). Simply put, an organization cannot survive in complete opposition to the facts. Last month, SCO went from a slightly increasing stock with hopes for a new product strategy and potential long-shot litigation settlement to bankruptcy with liquidation most likely given licensing fees obligated to Novell.
TNR is now imploding as many of us have expected. This is quite unfortunate as CanWest didn't respond in time, cleaning house and protecting their investment. It's too late now; TNR will only exist as a warning to others to not stonewall in times where serious internal error and incompetence has been uncovered. Hint to CanWest: The executive that got you into the mess really isn't a good choice for getting you out. It's probably time to re-assess CanWest management as they didn't seem to correctly assess the risks with TNR, and have had numerous other problems relating to executives with an ideological conflict of interest.
The collapse of the NYTimes is even more fascinating to watch. Unlike some analysts that predict they can milk a few more years out of the mess, those familiar with the history of these catastrophic events know that these things pick up speed at the end. Unless an outside party takes over control in the next half-year, it too will survive only as a case study of how not to run a news organization.
Posted by: redherkey at October 24, 2007 12:47 PM (kjqFg)
Posted by: Boss429 at October 24, 2007 12:49 PM (a+Mxg)
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I was aware of the docs Drudge has posted, and ironically, he may have them because someone decided to leak the results of a FOIA request I had sent in, asking for these docs specifically. These are the results was expecting back this week.
I'm somewhat irritated someone in the Army leaked my exclusive to Drudge (I had been assured I was the only person to even ask for these by the FOIA office), but I guess what matters is that the truth came out.
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How it ends.
Posted by: AMac at October 24, 2007 01:02 PM (unw9+)
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Victory in Iraq in 2008 was predicted in much detail way back in may 2006.
Posted by: Twok at October 24, 2007 01:13 PM (M24Cv)
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When liberals say they support the troops but not the mission, they are not intentionally dissembling. They are merely stating their belief that individual life has value, and they therefore "support the troops" by trying to keep individual soldiers alive through bringing an end to the conflict.
This, of course, reduces a soldier's value (or anyone's value for that matter) to nothing but a continued heartbeat. They give no value to the troops' sacrifice for the good of the nation, because they care little for the nation, and are actually contemptuous of it. When they claim that they honor the soldier's service to his country, THAT'S when they're lying.
Posted by: ss at October 24, 2007 01:32 PM (T1l1O)
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Instapundit seems to infer Drudge's transcript came from someone within TNR. The transcript, however, appears to be an Army document - unless TNR is starting to use military time and date notation. Note also the file name "Misconduct_4/1lD_Beauchamp_17Jul07". Doesn't look like a file name TNR would use.
I wonder if the TNR folks knew they were being recorded?
Posted by: Dave Calder at October 24, 2007 01:47 PM (uGeeX)
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Reading through the transcript PDFs, I'd have to suggest that Foer is in serious trouble. I was laughing pretty hard at the first transcript until I reached Foer's implied threats to Beauchamp's wife's safety, e.g. "...your wife is involved in this...I don't want her to get hurt in all of this." Maybe they can get Wilford Brimley aka William Devasher to play Foer in upcoming film version of "The News Firm".
For those from TNR and CanWest reading the posts, it's time to move onward as your association with this organization is going to taint your resume. Two words should sum this up for you: Enron Accountant (I know two that have had to find alternate careers or work for well less than their experience justifies as nobody wants any association with that ethical meltdown).
At the same time, it's refreshing to see the maturity and seriousness taken by the military in this matter. LTC Glaze's letter to Beauchamp clearly speaks to the character of leadership we have in Iraq.
Posted by: redherkey at October 24, 2007 01:50 PM (kjqFg)
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I'm somewhat irritated someone in the Army leaked my exclusive to Drudge
Perhaps someone at TNR caught wind of the pending release and this was merely a pre-emptive strike to prevent you from getting the scoop. I'm sure you can imagine how that would have chafed.
Posted by: ThomasD at October 24, 2007 02:00 PM (gMIZD)
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The frequency of bad news associated with the Iraq war will not decline during our lifetime. The media are still reporting negative news about the Vietnam war, however peripherally associated.
Look, for example, for increases in stories about veterans' jobs, disabilities, medical problems, psychological problems and syndromes; and increases in stories about how the Pentagon has changed this, that or the other thing in response to "lessons learned," or on the other hand, how the Pentagon has yet to learn any lessons whatsoever. Look also for reportage of every single stubbed toe and crime in Iraq for the next three generations. Finally look for all the stories about the continuing international presence, either in the form of coalition advisors or UN peace keepers.
Posted by: hovie at October 24, 2007 02:07 PM (BQDdu)
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With cautions optimism, I propose that a meme be started that the victory in Iraq, when acknowledged, be known as "Bush's Victory"
Posted by: Soylent Grey at October 24, 2007 02:08 PM (Xb5dk)
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When liberals say they support the troops but not the mission, they are not intentionally dissembling.
I wished I could believe that, but frankly I don't. Suppose someone said that he supports homosexuals, but not homosexual marriage. Would lefties buy that position?
Posted by: Occam's Beard at October 24, 2007 02:11 PM (MBOgW)
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Given the absolute, inexcusable, yet ongoing media distortions re Iraq, based on a demented antipathy to GWB, couldn't some outsider startup do wonderfully well by honestly reporting real news? Recruit a bunch of 18 - 20 year old interns, train 'em in the basics, send 'em out... no CSJ or other phonies need apply.
The New York Times dates from 1850. If it exists through 2012, we'll be surprised.
Posted by: John Blake at October 24, 2007 02:15 PM (eKmkQ)
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Naaah, it wasn't really Bush's victory. Bush held his nerve, yes, but he kept the wrong people in command in Iraq for too long. The victory belongs to our men and women in uniform, and to those who will not return to share in it.
But above all, the victory belongs to those Iraqis, who, generations hence, will have a chance to live without fear or terror, because they finally stood up. For all the valor of our men and women, we could have done this without the Iraqis.
Posted by: section9 at October 24, 2007 02:23 PM (H6lGz)
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So was it FDR's victory in WWII, up to the day he died, even though he presided over a number of hideous disasters, most of them avoidable? Of course it was, just as it will be Bush's despite his failures. To say otherwise is to presume the possibility of presidential perfection in wartime.
Enough second-guessing already. The war in Iraq is working, despite the incredible degree of difficulty imposed by modern sensibilities, and at least Bush is a first guesser (stole that from Dennis Miller). Courage of his convictions and all that.
Posted by: Uncle Mikey at October 24, 2007 02:37 PM (utjQw)
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All these docs are coming up 404. Anyone keep copies?
Posted by: Pablo at October 24, 2007 02:52 PM (yTndK)
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I find the New York Times Editorial Board's statement to be perfectly consistent with what Greyhawk's, if you consider that they are not on the same side of the war.
Posted by: Evil Bob at October 24, 2007 03:02 PM (rnl+u)
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I think it is likely that the Drudge documents were leaked by somone at TNR rather than from a military source. Sure, they may have all (even the transcripts, perhaps) originally been in the hands of the military, but, as the transcripted phone conversation makes clear, Beauchamp intended to authorize his attorney to obtain all the military documents regarding his case and turn them over to TNR. Someone at TNR could have easily then passed them on to Drudge -- the rats are ready to jump from that sinking ship.
Posted by: Burke at October 24, 2007 04:20 PM (v/b5m)
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Heck. The creaky old media dinosaurs can't even get their focus off of W's TANG years. The world is passing them by.
The networks, the newspapers, the cable new networks: they're akin to 8-Track Tapes. Nobody listens to them anymore.
When Bush makes a post-Presidency trip to Iraq, and is greeted as a hero, I expect there will be no New York Times to bury the story.
Posted by: Korla Pundit at October 24, 2007 04:45 PM (FHlAi)
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The NYT are journalistic dead enders. Its starting to show in their fiscal performance as well.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 24, 2007 05:17 PM (gqU4X)
Posted by: Dan Collins at October 24, 2007 05:30 PM (JSYrn)
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Pshaw! When Iraq gets a space program *then* it'll be over. /sarc
Posted by: urthshu at October 24, 2007 09:14 PM (bFqDX)
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Before declaring victory, shouldn't you discuss how we've won in terms of the US government's official goals for the war in Iraq? Perhaps it's obvious that we're winning, but this seems like an important step. Some of your readers might not be familar with them.
OUR NATIONAL STRATEGY FOR VICTORY IN IRAQ:
Victory in Iraq is Defined in Stages
Short term, Iraq is making steady progress in fighting terrorists, meeting political milestones, building democratic institutions, and standing up security forces.
Medium term, Iraq is in the lead defeating terrorists and providing its own security, with a fully constitutional government in place, and on its way to achieving its economic potential.
Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism.
{The system will not allow posting the URL, but you can Google it.}
Posted by: Fabius Maximus at October 24, 2007 09:35 PM (z19WP)
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Fabius, I post links in comments all the time. Just follow standard HTML formatting (i.e. an "a href=" tag) and it works just fine.
If ya don't know HTML, well... Google it! -lol-
Posted by: C-C-G at October 24, 2007 09:52 PM (ysloH)
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You are being unfair. To the NYT, the situation is getting worse. To the Democrats, the situation is getting worse. To the AQ, the situation is getting worse. To OBL, the situation is getting worse. It all depends on which side you are rooting for. The NYT editorial board is just being truthful. To them the worst thing that could happen is for us to win in Iraq. So for them, the situation in Iraq is getting worse.
Posted by: ic at October 24, 2007 10:39 PM (NM7Uv)
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Someone asked me what victory in the War on Terror meant and I said "When the left in this Country starts telling our enemies that, without reservation, they will now be joining the American Right in seeking their absolute eradication. Or surrender." Then we will have victory. But then I realized that such a victory is truly illusory. I guess I'll have to settle for a true, freedom-based democracy in Iraq, and among those neighbors who might wish to follow. Such a victory will have to serve.
Posted by: George Clarke at October 25, 2007 11:52 PM (29kI6)
Not content with just jumping sharks, Think Progress is now going for big air:
Limbaugh calls female MSNBC anchor 'wifey' and 'whiney.' MSNBC's Morning Joe, host Joe Scarborough had on right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh to "talk about the Republican field." But Limbaugh quickly interjected and said he first had a comment about CNBC business analyst Erin Burnett: "I just heard Erin Burnett sounding a little wifey." Scarborough laughed and asked Burnett, "What do you think about Rush saying you're a little wifey today?" "Wifey today he said?" Burnett asked, confused. "Well you were whining," Rush explained.
Perhaps not surprisingly, others had a far different opinion of the comments made by Limbaugh, with TVNewser noting that "Rush Limbaugh Gushes Over Erin Burnett," and presents a slightly different and more expansive quote:
Scarborough: Let's talk about the Republican field… Limbaugh: Wait a minute, Joe. Before you go there, I have to say something. I heard Erin Burnett sounding a little wifey, Erin, you said you're gonna be listening. I love listening to myself, but it's great to know you're listening to me too. Nobody can big foot you, Erin... Burnett: I got bigfooted out, that's what happened Rush. Limbaugh: The truth is that anybody that follows you, Erin, can't match what you've done. Burnett: Thank you, Rush. Scarborough: That is big. Getting that from Mr. Excellence in Broadcasting right there. Burnett: You made my day. I'm done now, I'm going home.
Obviously, the TVNewser account tells quite a different story than that of Think Progress.
Which account is more accurate?
Ian Shwartz has the video that provides the answer.
Few people were ever under the impression that Think Progress was anything other than a left-leaning political muckraker's site, but their continuing assault this fall on conservatives, using comments ripped out of context to the point of dishonesty, has now become so bad that even fans of the site will be tempted to go elsewhere to get to the factual roots of the story that TP is spinning for political consumption.
There comes a point where a politically-motivated site can move so far beyond the bounds of rational criticism, and even beyond the much more lenient bands of spin, that it becomes essentially untrustworthy. Think Progress is perilously close to that point, and runs the distinct risk of becoming the next Truthout.org if they don't clean their act up soon.
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CY - Don't be ridiculous. You always have to check that site's posts for omitted context, abbreviated quotes and all manner of tricks. It's designed to gin up lefty outrage, not to be fair.
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 23, 2007 05:18 PM (0pZel)
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Rush played the entire exchange on his show. They were laughing and joking. Think Progress is purposely misrepresenting the interview.
When they reach this desperately, especially after the previous Rush smear backfired, it suggests a coordinated strategy. Maybe it's about preparing the battlefield for the new improved 'Fairness' Doctrine.
More immediately, the Hillary campaign sees Limbaugh and Talk Radio as her biggest obstacles. She can count on the mainstream media to conceal scandals and present her in a positive light. If she could only get rid of Limbaugh and a few others, she'd get a free ride to the White House.
Posted by: lyle at October 23, 2007 05:52 PM (0LZe8)
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I like a nice nougaty faux outrage once in a while. It goes well with a fine whine.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 23, 2007 07:40 PM (gqU4X)
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Good thing theres never any fake outrage around here...
Posted by: Frederick at October 23, 2007 11:26 PM (zEb6i)
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I have been watching their slide into the pit for weeks..most of the other left side sites are catching the fever too.
They saw the Media Matters spin job on Rush (which they are still today doing but even the left knows the story line has been debunked and are backing away from) and now they want to feel the love.
Part of it is motivated by what I and others see as the coming split between the nutroots and the dem establishment.
Posted by: Lurker of sorts at October 23, 2007 11:28 PM (1aM/I)
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most of the other left side sites are catching the fever too.
With the positive developments in Iraq, they're seeing the 08' election start to slip away and are getting desperate. By April, stock in straight jacket companies will be soaring.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 24, 2007 08:17 AM (gqU4X)
One of the refreshing things about Rush is that he is decidedly un-PC.
Let's add TP to the list of whiners here, shall we?
Posted by: Ken McCracken at October 24, 2007 11:30 AM (6g1gX)
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I recall reading some time ago that if the issue is the war then a Republican will win. If it is domestic matters, a Democrat will win.
Posted by: davod at October 24, 2007 11:50 AM (llh3A)
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Davod,
My guess is that if the primary issue is something with factual content, the Republicans have a chance. If it's emotional then you're in Dem territory.
Posted by: Ken Hahn at October 24, 2007 08:00 PM (uT2/F)
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I've listened to Rush for years. Just recently, he repeated that he loves stereotypical humor about men , about women. Remember, he's been married and divorced three times and says, he'll never marry again. He also says that Hillary reminds men of their first wife.So, has political correctness reached the point, where men can not complain about whiny women? Is that where we're at?
Posted by: JabbaTheTutt at October 24, 2007 08:14 PM (n80uX)
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Guys, ThinkProgress has the entire video up. They don't seem to have removed any context.
Posted by: DaveS at October 24, 2007 10:41 PM (C3jq+)
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Dave: Though they have the video up, look at the rest of the article. They leave out about 30 seconds of talk between Limbaugh and Scarborough between the two comments, they emphasize the "wifey" and "whiney" comments and neglect to give equal weight to the discussion that leads to Erin THANKING Rush. Even the commenters are annoyed at how much time TP seems to spend yelling about Rush's every little comment. When the commenters have a more reasonable perspective than the author of the article, you know things are bad.
Posted by: Math_Mage at October 25, 2007 12:57 AM (d1LfL)
Scott Lindlaw reports on the differences between the current wildfire evacuation to Qualcomm stadium and the scene in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina:
Like Hurricane Katrina evacuees two years earlier in New Orleans, thousands of people rousted by natural disaster fled to the NFL stadium here, waiting out the calamity and worrying about their homes.
The similarities ended there, as an almost festive atmosphere reigned at Qualcomm Stadium.
Bands belted out rock 'n' roll, lavish buffets served gourmet entrees, and massage therapists helped relieve the stress for those forced to flee their homes because of wildfires.
"The people are happy. They have everything here," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared Monday night after his second Qualcomm tour.
Although anxieties ran high, the misery index seemed low as the celebrity governor waded through the mob. Scarcely a complaint was registered with him.
Predictably, the completely different ways these cities are dealing with their disasters only needed the common point of a stadium refuge to set keyboards a-clattering from both the left and the right.
At right-leaning Liberty Pundit:
Because these are mostly white people, and the response has been supposedly better, you can better believe that people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have taken note and will trot this out in the future whenever it suits their purpose. They’ll say that because these are white people and the governor is a Republican (jury is still out on that), and this was a better response, then it proves that our party hates blacks (or whatever minority they want to use to serve their purpose). Nevermind that the failures of Katrina were mostly the result of incompetent Democrats in New Orleans, it was still all George W. Bush's fault, because he didn't personally land in New Orleans and start bailing water.
Still, I can't help but think that other nations must look at these things -- the treatment of evacuees in one of America's richest cities (at least by housing price), and in one of its poorest -- and conclude that we're some kind of barbarians. The contrast between the wealth of water and food at Qualcomm, pictured at top of this post, with the scarcity at the Superdome is outrageous.
My biggest quibble with this AP article is the headline about "civility" -- which implies the contrast is the fault of the evacuees. That myth was pretty much punctured after Katrina, as in this article:
The vast majority of reported atrocities committed by evacuees — mass murders, rapes and beatings — have turned out to be false, or at least unsupported by any evidence, according to key military, law-enforcement, medical and civilian officials in positions to know. "I think 99 percent of it is [expletive]," said Sgt. 1st Class Jason Lachney, who played a key role in security and humanitarian work inside the Dome. "Don't get me wrong — bad things happened. But I didn't see any killing and raping and cutting of throats or anything ... 99 percent of the people in the Dome were very well-behaved."
They just weren't given food or water...let alone massage therapists. You have to be haunted by these words from Superdome survivor Phyllis Johnson, written shortly after Katrina and well before yesterday's evacuation:
Johnson said many of the people she met inside the dome thought they were going to die there. But she didn't want to lay down and die. She escaped the shelter, slogged through chest-high water and finally caught a ride on a stolen truck. She ended up getting onto a bus headed for Houston.
Even though President Bush said today that race played no part in the botched evacuation efforts, Johnson strongly disagrees. She is sure that if the people who were stranded in New Orleans after the storm were white, they would have been rescued immediately and treated with dignity.
"They portrayed us as savages," she said.
How can you look at that picture up top from San Diego and not agree with Phyllis Johnson?
It's interesting that on both the right and the left, the natural inclination here was to make the issue one of color. The problem with both of these opinions is that they are predicated upon skin colors of black and white, and not one of tribal colors:
That has nothing to do with me being white. If the blacks and Hispanics and Jews and gays that I work with and associate with were there with me, it would have been that much better. That’s because the people I associate with – my Tribe – consists not of blacks and whites and gays and Hispanics and Asians, but of individuals who do not rape, murder, or steal. My Tribe consists of people who know that sometimes bad things happen, and that these instances are opportunities to show ourselves what we are made of. My people go into burning buildings. My Tribe consists of organizers and self-starters, proud and self-reliant people who do not need to be told what to do in a crisis. My Tribe is not fearless; they are something better. They are courageous. My Tribe is honorable, and decent, and kind, and inventive. My Tribe knows how to give orders, and how to follow them. My Tribe knows enough about how the world works to figure out ways to boil water, ration food, repair structures, build and maintain makeshift latrines, and care for the wounded and the dead with respect and compassion.
There are some things my Tribe is not good at at all. My Tribe doesn't make excuses. My Tribe will analyze failure and assign blame, but that is to make sure that we do better next time, and we never, ever waste valuable energy and time doing so while people are still in danger. My Tribe says, and in their heart completely believes that it's the other guy that's the hero. My Tribe does not believe that a single Man can cause, prevent or steer Hurricanes, and my Tribe does not and has never made someone else responsible for their own safety, and that of their loved ones.
My Tribe doesn't fire on people risking their lives, coming to help us. My Tribe doesn't curse such people because they arrived on Day Four, when we felt they should have been here before breakfast on Day One. We are grateful, not to say indebted, that they have come at all. My Tribe can't eat Nike's and we don't know how to feed seven by boiling a wide-screen TV. My Tribe doesn't give a sweet God Damn about what color the looters are, or what color the rescuers are, because we can plainly see before our very eyes that both those Tribes have colors enough to cover everyone in glory or in shame. My Tribe doesn't see black and white skins. My Tribe only sees black and white hats, and the hat we choose to wear is the most personal decision we can make.
That’s the other thing, too – the most important thing. My Tribe thinks that while you are born into a Tribe, you do not have to stay there. Good people can join bad Tribes, and bad people can choose good ones. My Tribe thinks you choose your Tribe. That, more than anything, is what makes my Tribe unique.
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Let's not talk about Black and White tribes… I know too many pathetic, hateful, racists and more decent, capable and kind people of both colors for that to make any sense at all. Do you not? Do you not know corrupt, ignorant, violent people, both black and white, to cure you of this elementary idiocy? Have you not met and talked and laughed with people who were funny, decent, upright, honest and honorable of every shade so that the very idea of racial politics should just seem like a desperate and divisive and just plain evil tactic to hold power?
If such a thing is not self-evident to you, please get off my property. Right now. I should tell you I own a gun and I know how to use it. I assure you that the pleasure I would take in shooting you would be temporary, minimal, and deeply regretted later.
Now, for the rest of you, let’s get past Republican and Democrat, Red and Blue, too. Let’s talk about these two Tribes: Pink, the color of bunny ears, and Grey, the color of a mechanical pencil lead.
I live in both worlds. In entertainment, everything is Pink, the color of Angelyne's Stingray – it's exciting and dynamic and glamorous. I'm also a pilot, and I know honest-to-God rocket scientists, and combat flight crews and Special Ops guys -- stone-cold Grey, all of them -- and am proud and deeply honored to call them my friends.
The Pink Tribe is all about feeling good: feeling good about yourself! Sexually, emotionally, artistically – nothing is off limits, nothing is forbidden, convention is fossilized insanity and everybody gets to do their own thing without regard to consequences, reality, or natural law. We all have our own reality – one small personal reality is called "science," say – and we Make Our Own Luck and we Visualize Good Things and There Are No Coincidences and Everything Happens for a Reason and You Can Be Whatever You Want to Be and we all have Special Psychic Powers and if something Bad should happen it's because Someone Bad Made It Happen. A Spell, perhaps.
The Pink Tribe motto, in fact, is the ultimate Zen Koan, the sound of one hand clapping: EVERYBODY IS SPECIAL.
Then, in the other corner, there is the Grey Tribe – the grey of reinforced concrete. This is a Tribe where emotion is repressed because Emotion Clouds Judgment. This is the world of Quadratic Equations and Stress Risers and Loads Torsional, Compressive and Tensile, a place where Reality Can Ruin Your Best Day, the place where Murphy mercilessly picks off the Weak and the Incompetent, where the Speed Limit is 186,282.36 miles per second, where every bridge has a Failure Load and levees come in 50 year, 100 year and 1000 Year Flood Flavors.
The Grey Tribe motto is, near as I can tell, THINGS BREAK SOMETIMES AND PLEASE DON’T LET IT BE MY BRIDGE.
These paragraphs are from just a few brief moments of the excellent Bill Whittle essay Tribes, but it does much to help us understand the long-term differences between these two vastly different cities, and how different they will be in the weeks and months ahead.
The people of San Deigo and surrounding communities, liberal Democrats, moderates, and staunch conservatives of every color and creed, will rebuild and thrive again long before New Orleans does. They will do so because New Orleans, "The Big Easy," regardless of politics, is as Pink a city as there has ever been in the United States. It is a city of psychological poverty, and will be so until it finally falls into the Gulf in 5 or 50 years hence.
San Diego, evolving both demographically and politically, is often Pink, but is as Grey has it has to be, when it has to be.
It is about color. Just not the colors you think.
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Spot on! I read this essay right after it was posted; I shared it widely then, and I will do so again. Thanks for the refresher.
You do good work--keep it up!
Posted by: Susan at October 23, 2007 02:03 PM (kKdtK)
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Not to rain on a parade, but it has little to do with who is displaced. It has to do with the space the displaced have. The evacuees in San Diego aren't trapped in the stadium, but rather are in the parking lot. Being in a bad spot isn't improved when you're piled on top of another person in the same bad spot. While the gourmet buffett is nice, getting to a quiet spot where you can be alone with your emotions and decompress is a tad more important to your outlook and ability to interact with people. Since everyone else has that opportunity as well, there is a compounding positive impact going on in San Diego that was denied to the residents of New Orleans.
Posted by: Joe at October 23, 2007 03:22 PM (qCPXJ)
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Joe, that's nonsense. Other shelters here in SD are packed to capacity, and there is no hue and cry. The locals are doing things stoically, helping each other out. I won't compare the citizenry of NOLA and SD, I'd just say we handled it better, FWIW
Posted by: Frank G at October 23, 2007 03:33 PM (Ydps9)
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also FWIW - via NBCSandiego.com: Qualcomm just sent out a press release - please, no more donations, they have all they need. Apparently the locals have responded too well. This, tho' tragic, was a good test-run for a big quake response, and will be studied endlessly - how do you evacuate over 3-400,000 people? I think we did well, and learned from the Cedar fire
Posted by: Frank G at October 23, 2007 03:39 PM (Ydps9)
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The biggest disappointment about Katrina was how politicized it was. According to all objective counts the evacuation was an historical success. The National Guard and Coast Guard succeeded in the largest evacuation in American history. It's just too bad that the city itself wasn't prepared. Remember all those buses?
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So, who is geeting shot and which gang is in charge?
Maybe the governer should authorize 80 million from Congress' emergency vote fund?
Posted by: FES at October 23, 2007 04:19 PM (j1Yu1)
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Frank, at those other shelters are the residents able to go outside, or are they stuck inside packed to capacity? Also, what's the status of running water, HVAC and trash collection. If there was no escape even for a brief time from the disaster shelters how surly would whatever tribe become after a short time? Add into the mix that there is no running water or electricity for cooling and is the mood improved?
Posted by: Joe at October 23, 2007 04:42 PM (qCPXJ)
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unfortunately for your meme, Joe, nobody here has been held at gunpoint against their will, so I can't compare your theoretical NO against reality SD. They have actually allowed people to breathe, walk outside, and leave if they wish. I guess your theory MUST be correct, with ALL due respect.
Posted by: Frank G at October 23, 2007 05:24 PM (Ydps9)
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There have been over 350,000 homes evacuated which translates into 700,000 to 1 million people and all I'm hearing and reading is good reports. It is tragic, but even in tragedy, the people of San Diego and North County are pulling together and helping each other. These are not people who expect their government to do everything for them and for the nanny to make it all better with a snap of the fingers.
Friends of mine lost everything, a coworker of my daughter-in-law has taken in 20 people and 13 dogs. Our first home on the outskirts of Rancho Bernardo on the edge of Poway is gone and so are the homes of old neighbors and friends.
Most people in So. California are earthquake prepared with extra medicine, a get-a-way bag packed, an evac plan in place.
So far, where we are has been safe but last night we began to see flames on the hill opposite from where we live, so we went and gassed up all 3 vehicles and began to make a list of things we would want to get out if we had to evac quickly. And we talked about what our best options would be. Nowhere in our planning did we consider what the government would do to help us. That is the difference between here and NOLA.
Posted by: Sara at October 23, 2007 05:51 PM (hGL+y)
As soon as the cannibalism starts you'll be singing a different tune!
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 23, 2007 07:45 PM (gqU4X)
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At one point today there were more volunteers at the stadium than evacuees. Says something about the character of the town, eh?
Come to think of it, San Diego's one of the largest military and retired military communities in the country. That would be our "Volunteer" military. Not concluding anything 'bout that. Just saying...
Posted by: dwight at October 23, 2007 09:45 PM (MxG+p)
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Joe, for how much ever better the conditions are in SD right now then there were in NO during Katrina, do you think those conditions came about through magic? Happenstance?
The local and state governments made and implemented emergency plans and so did the citizens.
It's not magic, it's people taking responsibility and planning for the what-if events of life and then following through.
Posted by: Cindi at October 24, 2007 02:52 AM (asVsU)
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Is there any looting going on in SD? Anyone shooting at firemen? Are the cops walking off the job? Are there San Diego cops looting?
Running water, electricity and other creature comforts help lower the stress levels at the shelters.
They're camping in the parking lot, Joe. They're not in the Stadium. And they seem grateful that it's there for them. In NOLA they had 3 days warning to get the hell out of town and they (both citizens and local government) didn't do it. In SD, they had no such warning. They're just making the best of a bad situation.
Posted by: Pablo at October 24, 2007 04:04 AM (yTndK)
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Joe, I hated to do it, but I deleted your comment because of profanity. Please do not use that here.
Posted by: Frank G at October 24, 2007 06:41 AM (Ydps9)
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In New Orleans, there were many individuals who were part of the Tribe. They helped one another and shared resources. The greatest evacuation this country has seen was not shown. The National Guard were headquartered by the Superdome. They rationed food and water. But the news media didn't report on any of that. Instead, they put on the air unconfirmed reports of murders and rapes.
When Katrina hit, I was on the Mississippi Gulf Coast so I missed most of the reports about New Orleans and after things settled down here, I read about what went on in New Orleans. It seems to me the biggest failure was the local and state government response. And it is not just the lack of implementing emergency plans and the school buses and other things. The biggest failure was the mayor of New Orleans being too scared to go and talk to the people in the Supedome. Instead, he was on the radio crying.
It was Blanco trying to place the blame on FEMA and Bush. She did do some things correctly, like getting the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries in place to rescue people. But it seems there was a lot of the blame game going on.
All I had for news during the days after Katrina was a battery powered radio that I only turned on when the Emergency Management officials were on. I heard encouragement from my mayor, my governor, and all other officials. This is what kept the despair and numbness down. There was no blame. There was just the message that though 69,000 homes were destroyed, businesses washed away, and loved ones unaccounted for, we were all in this together and we would get through together. And we have been getting through together.
It seems the same is going on in California. Government officials and citizens are working together to make sure all members of the Tribe are cared for.
Posted by: shira at October 24, 2007 11:12 PM (hiy5E)
I was rather amused by some of the comments made by bloggers and commenters from the community-based reality yesterday in response to Michael Yon's Resistance is Futile. Many seemed eager to dismiss Yon as a partisan with an agenda, or dismissed his work as anecdotal in nature only.
In their minds, it is obvious that wire services, network and cable television news channels and major newspapers are providing "better" and "more accurate" news out of Iraq than embedded journalist-bloggers such as Yon, Totten, Roggio, Aradolino, Emanuel, and Johannes.
Those that would continually downplay the accounts from these citizen-journalists make the argument that these men are only reporting anecdotes of what they see with their own eyes, and therefore cannot be trusted to present "the big picture."
Really?
With all of the citizen-journalists listed above, you are typically getting first-hand reports from people at the scene of the news. With a few notable exceptions, you will not get that from most western news agencies operating in Iraq.
When you see a story by a Western reporter bylined in Baghdad, in the overwhelming supermajority of instances you are not getting a firsthand account of what he or she saw. Wire services and news agencies send out local Iraqi reporters called "stringers" that have unknown allegiances, alliances, competencies, and track records, to do the field work of reporting. They take (and occasionally stage) pictures, talk to witnesses (or make them up), and compose a rough account of the events (or completely fabricate them) for the agency they work for. These stringers then turn over the rough-draft information to "reporters" who write news accounts on events they have not witnessed, relying on information they often cannot verify.
This is the normal state of affairs of media reporting in Iraq. Those who have their names on many stories aren't reporters, they're essentially transcriptionists who have very little idea at all if the stories they report are true, or just "truthy."
So you tell me who is providing the better news: is it the guy relating what he can see, or the guy relaying a story he can't verify?
Now consider the fact that the "big picture" so many rely on is built out of hundreds of accounts where some or all of the information being presented as the truth is uncorroborated or unverified by the writer with his name on the byline, and you start to understand how there can be such a huge discrepancy between what citizen-journalists and soldiers blogging from Iraq see, and what the "professionals" relay in our media outlets.
The dirty truth of modern mass-market journalism is that it is retail news, and re-told news, and often anything but reporting.
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What sort of "big picture" are we getting from the hotel journalists who push away from the bar to attend press conferences in the Green Zone where they regard everything they're told as either U.S. spin or a pack of lies ?
Posted by: Banjo at October 23, 2007 10:04 AM (1DQ52)
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Who are you gonna believe? Yon's lying eyes, or 50 miles removed rigorously fact checked rumorporting from Jamil Hussein?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 23, 2007 10:16 AM (gqU4X)
Posted by: iconoclast at October 23, 2007 10:54 AM (TzLpv)
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So why do these journalists never venture from their hotels? Why do they have to rely on local stringers for reports and photographs?
Could it possibly be that the greater part of Iraq is simply far too dangerous for a Western journalist to venture out and do proper reporting? More than four years after Iraq was "liberated" by the US?
Posted by: Max at October 23, 2007 10:54 AM (VRb5p)
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Could it possibly be that the greater part of Iraq is simply far too dangerous for a Western journalist to venture out and do proper reporting?
Better booze at the al-Rashid than the stuff the troopers cook up in humvee radiators. Reporters ain't stupid - they know where the good hooch is.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 23, 2007 11:03 AM (gqU4X)
Could it possibly be that the greater part of Iraq is simply far too dangerous for a Western journalist to venture out and do proper reporting?
In all seriousness, the answer is Yes, Iraq is extremely dangerous for Western reporters. That has to be figured into the mix.
Equally obviously, it is not the only factor at work, or the discrepancy that C.Y. is writing about would not exist.
Off-topic, perhaps, compare the stories that Bill Roggio filed today at "The Long War Journal" on Pakistan (Bhutto, NWFP, ISI, Taliban) with what you read on these subjects in your favorite newspaper. Which give the reader a better appreciation of the tactical and strategic forces at play there?
Posted by: AMac at October 23, 2007 11:06 AM (Djzc+)
I read Bill Roggio's story on Pakistan. It's a detailed and comprehensive analysis of a complex situation. Whether I agree with his prescription is a different matter, but that's neither here or there. When you ask me to compare his story with what I read on these subjects in my favorite newspaper, you are perhaps assuming that I live in America, and depend on American media. Not so. I live in Europe, and I would have access to media that regularly give excellent and detailed coverage of these topics.
In my opinion, the problem with American media is not (as is often claimed in this and similar blogs) that it's dominated by left-wingers, defeatists, self-hating Americans etc. etc. The problem is that it's dominated by trashy content, entertainment news, trivia of all kinds - a complete distraction from the real issues.
Posted by: Max at October 23, 2007 11:30 AM (VRb5p)
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Geez, Max reads newspapers that are actually more anti American than the New York Times.
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, Max (11:30am).
I think both sets of potential problems that you catalog in your second paragraph are, unfortunately, real contributors to the unfortunate state of much of American media.
Posted by: AMac at October 23, 2007 01:15 PM (Djzc+)
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"I live in Europe, and I would have access to media that regularly give excellent and detailed coverage of these topics."
Unless you get your news from France 2 (Al Dura) or the BBC (anti-Israel).
But I agree, the US media is "dominated by trashy content, entertainment news, trivia of all kinds - a complete distraction from the real issues." Our media is ad fueled so they have to sell the spectacle. Which is sad really.
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Franklin Foer continues to erode the credibility of The New Republic as he refuses to address the Scott Thomas Beauchamp "Shock Troops" scandal, which started out as series of questions about the veracity of anecdotes told by an anonymous soldier, but has now developed into a desperate bid by TNR's editors to stonewall their way through mounting evidence that they orchestrated an ill-conceived cover-up of their own editorial failures.
All three of the anecdotes told under the pseudonym "Scott Thomas" in "Shock Troops" have been debunked by a combination of civilian contractor testimony, military veteran testimony, subject matter experts, and a formal U.S. Army investigation that spoke to every relevant soldier in the author's unit, only to come away without so much as a single corroborating account.
There was no "burned woman" at FOB Falcon that was abused by the author as a result of the horrors of battle he'd seen, which undermined the entire premise of the article. TNR sought to spin this as a trivial matter, even as it moved the location of this dark fantasy from FOB Falcon in Iraq after the author had been in combat and seen the horrors of war, to a staging camp in Kuwait before he had ever seen battle.
Instead of posting an immediate retraction, of course, TNR continued to slog on, even though it was quickly determine that there was no burned woman at the base in Kuwait, either, which was relayed to TNR senior editor Jason Zengerle, who was told the story was a rumor or "urban legand [sic]." Zengerle was told this well in advance of the August 10 story that has become the last word from TNR on the subject. Zengerle declined to tell his readers that this story was an urban legend. No one yet has come forward to say that they have seen such a woman, probably because she does not exist.
The second claim, that soldiers discovered human remains in what was described as a Saddam Hussein-era dump during the creation of Combat Outpost (COP) Ellis, and that one soldier wore part of a child's skull, was the anecdote in "Shock Troops" that was the single greatest concern in the formal military investigation, as told by the investigating officer, Major John Cross. Veterans, active duty soldiers, and civilians alike were dubious that someone would wear rotting human flesh directly against their skin for any length of time, much less the hours-long period told in this tale. Veterans familiar with the design of the close-fitting helmet flatly denied it was possible to even put such material between the wearer's head and the helmet. In the end, the formal investigation could find not a single member of Beauchamp's unit that would corroborate this story, which the author himself apparently refuses to support.
The third and perhaps the most outlandish claim, of a Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV: a kind of tracked and armed armored personnel carrier with a crew of three) driver who used his vehicle to smash infrastructure and run over dogs, was one of the easiest stories to debunk, and one that also showed just how deceptive the editors of The New Republic were willing to be in continuing with their charade.
Veteran APC and IFV crewmen, including commanders and drivers, quickly discounted the possibility that the driver in the author's fantasy could make the Bradley do what he claimed; it simply wasn't designed in a way to move as he said it moved. Every single Bradley driver and and commander in his unit was interviewed during the course of the Army investigation, and all said the account was false.
But the depths of how far The New Republic was willing to go to deceive their readers was exposed when one of the anonymous experts the magazine claimed had supported their version of events in the Bradley story was found, and told a quite different story, indeed.
This morning at Powerline, Scott John keeps the pressur eon the dishonest and deceptive editors of The New Republic with It's the coverup that kills you, part 3.
We now know that TNR editor Franklin Foer and executive editor Peter Scoblic spoke with Scott Beauchamp on September 7. Dogged blogger Bob Owens learned of the call from an Army spokesman. Why have "the editors" not disclosed the substance of their conversation with Beauchamp?
In their conversation with Beauchamp, Beauchamp must not have provided Foer and Scoblic a single fact with which to substantiate his "Shock troops" column. Six weeks after speaking with Beauchamp "the editors" have not addressed the report that Beauchamp recanted his column in the course of the Army investigation of its allegations. And commanding officer Colonel Ricky Gibbs has since confirmed that report.
In their September 7 phone call with Beauchamp, Foer and Scoblic asked their author to cancel interviews he had scheduled with the Washington Post and Newsweek. Again, they seem to think that stonewalling will allow them to ride out the scandal. They must be counting on the kindness of their friends in the MSM to cooperate. And to date their confidence has not been disappointed.
Upon taking the reins of TNR, editor Franklin Foer declared: "My priority is to put out the most intellectually provocative, intellectually honest magazine possible." Foer's aspiration for TNR now reads like a piece of black humor.
Far from intellectual honesty, the senior editor staff of The New Republic have proven their intractable corruption. Editor Franklin Foer, Executive Editor J. Peter Scoblic, and Senior Editor Jason Zengerle failed to do their jobs as editors, published a false story (though there are indications that all three of the author's stories were fabricated, in whole or in part), more than likely lied when they claimed the allegations made had been fact-checked prior to publication, and then ran a false investigation that involved misrepresenting the claims of at least one expert, while attempting to bury the story and exerting influence over the author to cancel interviews with other interested publications.
As Ed Morrissey notes today of a previous TNR scandal:
Near the end of Shattered Glass, Peter Sarsgaard as editor Charles Lane (now at the Washington Post) scolds Chloe Sevigny as Caitlin Avey after she keeps making excuses for Stephen Glass. "He handed us fiction after fiction and we printed them all as fact. Just because... we found him "entertaining." It's indefensible. Don't you know that?"
TNR knew it in 1998. Unfortunately, they no longer understand it in 2007. It's just as indefensible now as it was then -- in fact, given their history, even more indefensible now. Franklin Foer has managed to do more damage to the magazine than Stephen Glass did, thanks to an inept response and continued stonewalling in the face of the truth. In their silence, TNR has acknowledged that they care more for narrative than fact.
Details will continue to trickle out revealing just how deceptive the editorial staff at The New Republic has been to its readership and critics alike, and once those details are made public, I very much doubt that Franklin Foer, Peter Scoblic, and Jason Zengerle will be able to survive the coming purge.
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Hello TNR. I'm glad you're reading Bob's site to see what people are saying about your publication. When are you going to publish a wrap up on this debacle? A "What Went Wrong" piece might be the best way to go instead of further obfuscation and finger pointing.
Bob, keep up the good work!
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 22, 2007 11:22 AM (0pZel)
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Would a sobbing confession of guilt by Foer satisfy you sadists? You remind me of a cat playing with a mouse.
Posted by: Banjo at October 22, 2007 12:47 PM (1DQ52)
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Banjo - The truth is usually a good starting point. Why is that sadistic?
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 22, 2007 01:13 PM (0pZel)
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as much fun as I'm having reading this, remember the TNR has no interest in answering your allegations; from their perspective, you're simply some noise in the distance and your questioning the official story line has no more credibility than the (no) credibility you give those questioning 9/11. While it would be nice if their subscribers left in protest, it's far more likely that they will stay to show their support for the editors for not letting partisan hacks such as yourself keep the editors from speaking truth to power...
Posted by: steve sturm at October 22, 2007 01:17 PM (sWhRW)
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Geez, who cares now except for an obsessive few? Old news.
Posted by: nunaim at October 22, 2007 02:46 PM (22/Qe)
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Geez, who cares now except for an obsessive few? Old news.
Har! This nugget coming from the port side, which obsesses over Skull & Bones, 1930s banking relations with the 3d Reich, and the 2000 election.
Not just "har," but "har-de-har-har!" Throw in a ROFL, and we're in business.
Cordially...
P.S. Until TNR comes clean, their motto is Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.
Posted by: Rick at October 22, 2007 03:01 PM (Ohkx7)
I'm glad the internet allows those sources significant coverage. 15 years ago and the stonewalling would have been completely effective. Today, the main stream media's silence has kept it out of the minds of most people but enough is getting out to be significant.
I just can't wait for the movie version...
Shattered Glass was good, and it ended on a fairly positive, redeeming note with the decisions of the editors to come clean and do real investigations into all of Glass' stories and trot out themselves the stuff they could not verify.
The next movie should be even better, because nervous cultural elites hovering around a table laying out a cover up just makes for better screen action than seeing them do the right thing....
Posted by: usinkorea at October 22, 2007 06:54 PM (Jypvj)
Nobody...as long as the TNR format is officially changed to something along the lines of the pulp Fantasy and Science Fiction.
If they continue purporting to report non-fiction, well that's another story.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 22, 2007 08:57 PM (gqU4X)
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After Foer and the senior management of TNR resigns (at the demand of its owners - Foer's career is done, so he won't go willingly), TNR has an opportunity to re-orient its efforts. Numerous examples of exceptional effort in the corporate world have emerged from the collapse of misaligned and misguided firms.
Strong leadership at TNR who is capable of terminating any and all staffers who refuse to accept the highest ethical standard would provide the publication with the foundation to grow, and through a realignment of focus from today's Bushitler derangement to one of objective, investigative exposure of all political wrongs, independent of party, might just be refreshing enough to prevent the publication from probable extinction.
Contrary to the one-dimensional, nuance-lacking simplicity of the Kos crowd, I'd expect most conservatives here would read and support a publication that objectively exposes irresponsible behavior by our politicians regardless of party. I'd welcome any exposure of actual wrongdoing by Republicans. I've been openly critical of Senator Grassley's rainforest pork-fest (a reward to some of his contributors). If the left is to ever have any legitimate complaint about the spiraling budget deficit and debt, it absolutely must join the right on the condemnation of all pork.
There's no shortage of controversy, corruption or unethical behavior from politicans on both sides of the aisle. A clean-slate approach at TNR which rids the organization of most of its current inept and unethical management and enabling staffers is mandatory for it to have any chance of survival.
Posted by: redherkey at October 23, 2007 09:14 AM (kjqFg)
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TNR is thoroughly discredited. Why continue dragging the corpse through the streets?
Posted by: Banjo at October 23, 2007 10:11 AM (1DQ52)
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Foer is slowly turning into toast. He is seemingly petrified at what has happened. To admit to, and to explain what, would topple the stack of beer crates he pontificates from.
Posted by: mockinbird at October 23, 2007 10:50 AM (Ior+f)
Foer reminds me of the guy with the goatee, beret and 2.1 GPA in college who used to make "profound observations" about complexities and mysteries that were actually neither complex nor unknown, but just required you actually read the homework and attend class.
For example, TNR's Walter Duranty Reed today pundits: "Why does the team with the worst skills in the league end up with so many pennants?" in reference to his musing on why "observers foreign and domestic have agreed that Americans don't do foreign policy well" yet keep winning the wars.
An objective analyst doesn't immediately proceed to set the context as follows: "Moralistic, uninformed, unsubtle, alternately isolationist and hyperactive, hamstrung by a clumsy constitutional process and a public that oscillates between fatuous idealism and ignorant bellicosity, U.S. foreign policy has been shocking the world for more than 200 years."
With such distorted context, is there any surprise Mead can't find his way out of the wet paper sack?
Instead, a careful review of the subject might reveal that the U.S. has been successful in obtaining correct outcomes precisely because it has recognized at the right times that the so-called field of international affairs is a useless, ineffective domain filled with intellectually idle trust-fund offspring, poseurs, "men of letters" and other contemplators of grand but otherwise useless thoughts.
While much of the European experience has been wasted on these amusements of the aristocracy, the grinders who represent America's real dynamo have learned when to cut off our own persons of international affairs and effect real change through action. While Mead observes the U.S. was capable of "overcoming the opposition of European powers that had larger armies and navies", he immediately confuses the the outcome with inputs, claiming Europeans had: "better-organized policy- making, a more nuanced view of the world, and a less cumbersome political structure (also known as authoritarian rule, which Mead and TNR elites idolize).
It was simply put by my grandfather who was a veteran of WW-II in Europe: The reason the US won the war was explained by the difference in fixing a broken military vehicle. When a European's vehicle broke down, their soldiers would sit passively until an authorized repair technician could arrive to perform an assessment and communicate recommendations back to the "better-organized policy-making" institution. On the other hand, when a U.S. Jeep broke down, a handful of lowly, unqualified GIs would jump out and tinker with it until it was fixed.
Indeed, Americans lack what is more correctly referred to as poseur-nuance. They're incapable of deferring action through excessive contemplation which serves as a process for deferring responsibility. They instead convert observations to actions and effect productive outcomes.
From reading Duranty-Mead's column, there's no surprise that nobody in TNR has the capacity to take any action necessary to save the failing organization. They'll hide, defer, contemplate and ultimately avoid all accountability until the organization they are responsible for fails.
Posted by: redherkey at October 23, 2007 12:17 PM (kjqFg)
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The corpse is still being dragged through the street, because the publican is still taken as a "serious" outlet in our society and those who put it out continue to refuse to rectify the situation. As noted by several in this thread, and in the post, TNR took a lot of heat for the Glass debacle, but they also received credit for having done the right thing when the lies were brought to a head.
As for TNR turning itself around, I think one part of the problem with it is the same with media coverage over all ---- they have cut the budgets so far, except for the mammoth salaries some of the very top people get in the big organizations, they have forced themselves to rely on younger and younger people in higher and higher positions.
I'm not trying to be age-ist here, but the higher percentage of 20-somethings you have running the show, the more likely you are going to get people who are too green or too immature or too loose with rules, and the more you trust them in key positions and in key roles, the more you're going to get burned.
Posted by: usinkorea at October 23, 2007 05:20 PM (OUxRz)
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Banjo, mind telling us all why you object to keeping the pressure on TNR?
Posted by: C-C-G at October 23, 2007 08:42 PM (ysloH)
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> but the higher percentage of 20-somethings you have running the show...
I'd suggest its more generalized than that; the higher the percentage of persons in positions of authority that don't understand there are other references -- standards, best practices, case studies of miserable failures, etc. -- the more likely failure is as an outcome.
I'm consistently amazed at how progressives refuse to reference other sources for guidance. In business, they're usually the most likely to re-invent wheels. Like my previous comment about the goatee beret-wearing slacker, their refusal to actually do the homework causes them to suffer avoidable consequences. Unfortunately, their disregard for crisis response standards compounds their disregard for corporate ethics, the failing of their organizational controls, and numerous other meltdowns which indicate a brand likely to be soon discontinued per catastrophic, irrecoverable failure.
It's unfortunate; TNR is increasingly a consultant's dream. I'd walk in with parent ownership on day one, explaining the classic crisis management case studies (e.g. the classic Tylenol quick-response strategy - see here for details: http://www.mallenbaker.net/csr/CSRfiles/crisis02.html ). All the basics are there - defuse the crisis, stop digging holes, acknowledge the harm, clearly communicate a response, and by all means, MEAN WHAT YOU DO by showing it with clear action. Fire Foer tomorrow and terminate all of the staff, run the brand from another publication in transition, and re-seed the brand with qualified, ethical professionals and you have a chance at recovering the CanWest investment. Otherwise, it's a terminally wounded dog destined to irrecoverable losses.
Apparently, the TNR disaster suggests that parent management at CanWest is in serious jeopardy. That Foer would trash a single brand is unsurprising; that CanWest can't seem to integrate and control the brand is an indication of serious troubles overall. Perhaps CanWest will serve as a definitive case study of the dangers of mixing politics and media ownership.
Posted by: redherkey at October 23, 2007 09:26 PM (kjqFg)
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Bob, it is only through your hard work, persistence and drive that this story exists where it is today. Having Drudge get the hits on the final nail will NEVER change the fact that you made this story! You did us all proud: without your well written, well researched, and well documented work I would never have had a chance to learn how far TNR would fall.
You have done this in the past, your reports are a must read, and your efforts are noticed.
Thank you.
Posted by: Diane at October 24, 2007 01:48 PM (YdEmI)
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most interested in banjos concern about dragging the corpse around the walls of troy--has TNR said anything that would suggest mercy should be considered? Until TNR and their idiot editors acknowledge they lied like rugs and debased journalism, the corpse should be dragged around until it disappears in tatters. Go achilles!
Posted by: Roger at October 24, 2007 02:16 PM (dswXz)
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"My priority is to put out the most intellectually provocative, intellectually honest magazine possible."
He said honest, not factual. Those are different terms on the left wing. I'd say in his mind he's upheld his promise.
Posted by: shimrod at October 24, 2007 03:22 PM (1vSqO)
"Far from intellectual honesty, the senior editor staff of The New Republic have proven their intractable corruption. Editor Franklin Foer, Executive Editor J. Peter Scoblic, and Senior Editor Jason Zengerle failed to do their jobs as editors, published a false story (though there are indications that all three of the author's stories were fabricated, in whole or in part), more than likely lied when they claimed the allegations made had been fact-checked prior to publication, and then ran a false investigation that involved misrepresenting the claims of at least one expert, while attempting to bury the story and exerting influence over the author to cancel interviews with other interested publications."
Unfortunately, TNR as well as the rest of the mainstream "news" media know that they can get away with it. Who will hold them accountable? Certainly not a member of their cozy little club.
Posted by: Mike's America at October 24, 2007 11:05 PM (9ryli)
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This continues to have a disproportionate impact on women and minorities.
Posted by: Ardmoor Oakes at October 25, 2007 12:47 PM (w+qHM)
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Kinda curious abour a point from the transcript, when TNR (not the Army) is pressuring PV1 Beauchamp. The editors tell the Private that he will never be able to go back to writing.
If he has been telling the truth the whole time AND TNR was not Fairbanksing-up his dispatches, then what is keeping him from writing in the future?
Robert Fisk still has a job, and he is still writing phony stories. Eve Fairbanks still has a job with TNR, as an Editor no less, and she still has a job. Maureen Dowd too, for that matter.
Posted by: Guy Montag at October 27, 2007 08:13 AM (otDb3)
No thinking person would look at last year’s weather reports to judge whether it will rain today, yet we do something similar with Iraq news. The situation in Iraq has drastically changed, but the inertia of bad news leaves many convinced that the mission has failed beyond recovery, that all Iraqis are engaged in sectarian violence, or are waiting for us to leave so they can crush their neighbors. This view allows our soldiers two possible roles: either “victim caught in the crossfire” or “referee between warring parties.” Neither, rightly, is tolerable to the American or British public.
He does, however, have in mind a solution:
Clearly, a majority of Americans believe the current set of outdated fallacies passed around mainstream media like watered down drinks at happy hour. Why wouldn't they? The cloned copy they get comes from the same sources that list the specials at the local grocery store, and the hours and locations of polling places for town elections. These same news sources print obituaries and birth announcements, give play-by-play for local high school sports, and chronicle all the painful details of the latest celebrity to fall from grace.
To illustrate the absurdity to which this conceit of the collective has grown, I'm tempted to borrow from the boy in the fairy tale, only this time pointing to and shouting at the doomsday-sayers parading by: "Hey, they aren’t wearing any clothes. . . . " Except in this case, I realize I am not a lone voice. Furthermore, with the help of other clear-eyed individuals, I may actually be in a unique position to do something to remedy this, if the experience I had with the AP response to my challenge to investigate and report on the disturbing gravesites in the Al Hamira village is any guide.
Although I can't answer to the cause of the problem, I humbly offer permission to media outlets to republish excerpts of the dispatch or the dispatch in its entirety, including my photographs from the story (if used as they are in the dispatch) at no cost during the month of July 2007. I only ask that the site receive proper attribution and that any publication taking me up on the offer email the website with the details.
That offer was dying on the vine until Bob Owens at Confederate Yankee took the Associated Press to task for their bungled reportage of a different mass graves news story, using my dispatch as a comparison. Although it took a little back and forth, and some additional pressure from all the other bloggers who started tracking on the topic, the AP finally dispatched a reporter to the scene. The resulting article was picked up by at least one other major media outlet, reaching thousands more people. This got me to thinking: what if I made a similar offer on a more permanent basis to a large media syndication, say, the National Newspaper Association?
And so Yon is going to syndicate his text and images, for free to get real, frontline stories of the war to the American people, doing the job that Americans the Manhattan and Washington, DC-based professional media won't do.
But it will take your help to make sure that your local paper newspapers take advantage of the offer.
" . . . print excerpts of Michael Yon's dispatches, including up to two of his photographs from each dispatch. Online excerpts may use up to 8 paragraphs, use 1-3 photos, and then link back to the full dispatch on his site saying 'To continue reading, click here.'"
If their local paper is a member of NNA, readers can contact the editor, urging their participation. [If Bob Owens' experience is a reliable indicator, this might take several, uh, prompts.] By encouraging their local daily or weekly newspapers to reprint these dispatches in their print editions, more people without internet access can begin to see a more accurate reflection of the progress I have observed and chronicled in dispatches like "Achievements of the Heart," "7 Rules: 1 Oath," "The Hands of God," and "Three Marks on the Horizon."
In addition to making his work available to your local papers through the NAA, Yon is rebuilding his web site, and having it translated into a total of 17 languages, so that though people in nations where English isn't their primary language can get information from a source a bit less biased than Reuters, AP, AFP, or their state-run media.
None of this, of course, comes without a price. Click on over, and see what you can do to help fight the media war.
We can gripe about how poor and deceptive the media coverage in Iraq is, or we can do something about it. The choice is yours.
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Larger papers will have difficulty taking Yon up on his offer as it will be seen as tantamount to an admission of prior flawed coverage. If they label his work a special series and he omits criticism of the MSM from his work, I think there's a chance. Otherwise, he's biting the hand that he's asking to distribute his work.
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 23, 2007 09:37 AM (0pZel)
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They can choose any dispatches they want. Not all mention the media.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 23, 2007 10:18 AM (gqU4X)
Why do people absolutely detest the media? Is it the laziness? Is it the incompetence? Is it the bias?
This report from the ABC News blog shows all 3 elements. The headline: ”Bidding Over $2M for Dems Anti-Rush Letter”
It is not until Paragraph 7 that ABC bothers to mention that Rush put the letter on eBay.
As Matt Drudge correctly pointed ABC was crediting the perpetrators instead of the victim, Rush. That letter was not written to raise money — it was written to get a man fired for broadcasting opinions that 41 Democratic Senators wanted censured. He dares to support a war that a Democratic Senate authorized in 2002.
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Now ABC credits these anti-constitutional senators with the $4.2 million Rush raised — half of it from his own pocket.
Not one of those 41 senators — all of whom enjoy salaries that place them in the top 3% of the country — has matched that gift with 21 cents, let alone the $2.1 million Rush will give.
ABC News knows what it can do with its blog entry.
Perhaps not surprisingly, crediting Democrats for something they didn't do isn't the only display of bias and incompetence in this ABC blog entry.
The content of the seventh paragraph shows that ABC didn't even both to do the basic research necessary about the charity benefiting from Limbaugh's fundraiser:
All proceeds from the auction of the letter will go to the Marine Corps - Law Enforcement Foundation, which distributes aid to the families to the children of fallen Marines on behalf of law enforcement officers.
First--and this is just a pet peeve of mine-- all of Marine Corps - Law Enforcement Foundation should be in the link. That's just sloppy, amateur work.
Second, the content of the ABC News claim is inaccurate. ABC claims that MC-LEF "distributes aid to the families to the children of fallen Marines on behalf of law enforcement officers."
It would have taken reading all of seven sentences to get the basic mission of the foundation right:
The recent war in Iraq has certainly illuminated America�s commitment to freedom. We are reminded that freedom is not free. The price is great. No one knows that better than the left-behind sons and daughters of America�s fallen heroes.
Through the continuous support of our donors, we have distributed aid with a value of more than $29,000,000.00 to eligible children. This assistance was primarily rendered to children of Marines or Federal law enforcement personnel who were killed on duty or died under extraordinary circumstances while serving our country at home or abroad.
It would have taken ABC News perhaps 10-15 seconds to read that far.
Apparently ABC News felt that it wasn't worth spending those extra 10-15 seconds to get even one fact of their story correct.
Update: ABC is also censoring comments on the blog (mine, among others) for content that is anything other than profane, simply rewriting or deleting comments they do not like on apparent whims.
The former gatekeepers do not like to be told that they are wrong.
Posted by: Scrapiron at October 19, 2007 11:19 PM (d/RyS)
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Scrapiron said "Magic word: ABC, Dumb as a sack of rocks."
You don't know the half of it. They're butchering and deleting comments like mad on their blog. Some of those posts were mine.
Here's poster Reggie on the situation. "It is crap looking glass. I don't like what a lot of some have said tonight, and I know from the insults virtually no one (as a lot of the traffic here came from Drudge) liked what I said. But why are we spending time here saying anything if it is going to be removed or edited. What a joke."
That post has since been deleted. (I have the ability to save a webpage and I'm not afraid to use it.)
I've quoted a scathing comment from Timewaster on Don Surber's blog.
The original post from Timewaster may, or may not, still be up on the ABC blog.
Posted by: Looking Glass at October 20, 2007 01:39 AM (42wFw)
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A lot of the left extreme blogs are marching to the same spin that Rush is apologizing to the left by paying penance for his error.
The Kos kids even have a poll up about it.
Posted by: Lurker of sorts at October 20, 2007 03:48 AM (1aM/I)
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should be in the link. that's just sloppy, amateur work.
Or very very intentional.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 20, 2007 07:16 AM (6Yy5p)
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Over the past generation, Americans have lost faith in the media. The ABC column shows one very good reason why.
Tens of millions of Americans witnessed these events first-hand, from hearing Rush's 'phony soldiers' remark - in real time, in context - through the demagoguery of his critics to the auction and its aftermath. We know more than the reporter does, and can judge for ourselves his accuracy and professional discipline.
It's fair to say that ABC deserves a D or an F.
There was a time when reporters were the gatekeepers. We knew what we knew only because they allowed us to know it. Those days are gone. News consumers often have access to the same or better sources than reporters do. We are often better and more deeply informed than they are.
The credibility of CBS and the New York Times disintegrated in sudden and public conflagrations, but this kind of column reveals something just as ruinous: the slow, inevitable rot of arrogance, incompetence, and bias.
Posted by: lyle at October 20, 2007 07:27 AM (0LZe8)
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This is not surprising. First there was a near media back out of this story. Little Green Footballs did a great job of covering it...
Then, as you point out, when they do cover it, it is blatantly biased.
I don't think it matters much. Rush has a huge microphone and the media is no longer monolithic so of they want to lie about and ignore the story, it will merely give the new media, like this site, an opportunity to report on it before them. People aren't stupid. They can smell a rat. There was a great piece in the American Thinker about this.
Of course, the Dems, if they are foolish, will try and scream Fairness Doctrine in light of this incident. I hope they do because nothing is a better issue for the reps than the Fairness Doctrine. Here is how I see that playing out.
Posted by: Mike Volpe at October 20, 2007 10:46 AM (xGGYx)
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When I first heard Harry Reid's comments I thought "What a fool!". Fool he may be but he's not stupid. He probably knew full well that he'd have the MSM running interference for him and spining it to his advantage.
Posted by: Tbird at October 20, 2007 12:12 PM (2XO+i)
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Of course, dems follow the left wing tendency of rewritting history to fit their dogma.
Posted by: Mats at October 20, 2007 12:14 PM (Txg4w)
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Confederate Yankee--you are way too kind ABC. Cordiality is one thing, passivity is another.
ABC wasn't merely lazy. They weren't simply wrong. The truth is of no importance to them.
The blog post in question illustrates a hostility toward the truth.
Maybe you'd prefer to chalk it up to being lazy or uninformed. I prefer words like malice, malevolence, maliciousness, meanness, spitefulness, venomousness, and viciousness. I could be wrong but I'm not.
Let me ask you this; Why even write the post in the first place if the authors interest is such that the minimal of fact checking is of little desire?
The gall is inconceivable.
Posted by: Andy B at October 20, 2007 12:37 PM (q1S2A)
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You know, I try to be charitable with those I disagree with. But this is utterly foul.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 20, 2007 04:29 PM (AP5e0)
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Didja ever notice that the guilty dog barks first? Kinda like when the right wing was tabbed by some First Lady as a "vast conspiracy?" I think ABC had its membership papers all filled out for the opposite side of the vast conspiracy thingy-bob...and maybe they upped the ante.
Pretty neat that they're dealing with the likes of Rush who has more savvy and common sense than the whole left wing put together.
I say: let the lefties rip, and all they'll come home with is torn trousers. They are working so hard to sink themselves...let's let 'em.
Posted by: Lee W. Dodson at October 20, 2007 05:46 PM (2mrFg)
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The only thing the dhimmi's did was violate the constitution and put forth a Communist/Nazi style rant against a private citizen. Who will take these traitor to task and demand they all resign from the Senate, or better who will file charges and put them in jail? Dirty Harry Reid and company went beyond stupidity.
Posted by: Scrapiron at October 20, 2007 06:30 PM (d/RyS)
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I sent each and every one of Reid's office a fax asking him if he was going to match Rush's contribution. Not really expecting an answer!
Posted by: Bob at October 20, 2007 06:41 PM (pE8st)
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Comments that I made earlier are completely removed.
This is SOP for these liberal leftist twits that gatekeep any comment that may offend their ilk.
If I recall accurately, I do believe that any time I have posted a comment to this ABC blog it has always been removed.
Just reinforces our position regarding free speech and further demonstrates their willingness to squelch any opinion that does not tilt toward their inbred ideology.
Just like dogs who return to eat their own vomit ..... they just cannot help themselves.
Posted by: D.T. Miller at October 21, 2007 04:22 AM (5Wu5r)
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I would have no problem with ABC removing comments that were profane, highly inflammatory or off-topic. Most corporate blogs meeting those standards, as do many other blogs.
It is when they start removing relevant, on-topic, non-inflammatory comments, and appear to be removing reasonable comments simply because they do not like how the logical criticism undermines their position, that I get irritated.
If you run a blog with comments section, you have an obligation to allow a reasonable level of discourse. To so heavily censor critical comments as ABC News has done in this instance is the mark of amateurs.
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To so heavily censor critical comments as ABC News has done in this instance is the mark of amateurs.
Or professional propagandists...
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 21, 2007 08:33 AM (6Yy5p)
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Last night I turned on ABC myself. From listening to them you could almost believe that a man-child had drawn us into a bloody, expensive quagmire where there's no hope of reconciling factions who loathe eachother, and that only Iran stood to profit. They painted a picture of greed, sadism, and corruption run amok. They didn't even mention the plentiful schools that have been painted. The nerve of some people!
Posted by: Claude Nuggets at October 21, 2007 12:06 PM (dB5s8)
As you so aptly point out, ABC is quite full of it. Please stay.
Cordially...
Posted by: Claude at October 21, 2007 12:33 PM (Ohkx7)
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A compliant congress has given Bush everything he asked for. That would have been enough, nay more than enough. The war would long be over. The only thing missing was that elixir, the Special Sauce if you will: support. ABC, C.N.N., NYT and their liberal cohort refuse to support the troops. They have sapped the will our troops. There is much blood on the hands of MoveOn.
Posted by: Clarl Nugent at October 21, 2007 04:23 PM (r7W6b)
...I've been writing about Iraq here for four years now - in and out of country. I've been here during many of the most violent months of the war; from the second battle for Fallujah through the January, 2005 elections, and from the launch of the surge to the present - and I'm not homebound yet. In all that time progress has been achingly slow, and back steps have been mixed with forward - but never the majority. Throughout it all - until now - I've never declared victory, seen "light at the end of the tunnel", or even claimed to have "turned a corner" - you can take your bumper sticker slogans and shove 'em. Over here a tenacious and bloodthirsty enemy has fought a well-designed and multi-faceted campaign against us, perhaps secure in the knowledge that blame for every child they killed or each holy place they defiled would be shifted to us even as they washed the blood from their hands. Their efforts gained support from many quarters (not all of which were anticipated in preparation for or included in response to their actions) and condemnation from few. But the ranks of their opponents - at least here in Iraq - are large and still growing, and theirs are neither. The battles are diminishing but ongoing, losses will be suffered, and blood will still be shed. Still more of their supporters may redouble their efforts. But in short, while I recognize this will provoke immeasurable rage from those who feel we've lost, and consternation among those who know we've won but lack the fortitude to make the declaration at this point in time, I'll say it again: we've won the war in Iraq.
* Areas just a year ago thought to be un-pacifiable are now peaceful.
* Iraqi Army coming along nicely, qualified leaders stepping forward.
* Previously bitter enemies (Sunni and Shia) cooperating.
* Al Qaeda safe havens disappearing under Coalition and Iraqi actions.
* Iraqi citizens fighting back against Al Qaeda.
* Iraqi citizens informing Coalition forces of Al Qaeda safe havens.
Yeah, that sure looks like a losing war to me. [/sarc]
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2007 11:10 AM (ysloH)
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Things are terrific in Iraq, but the media has been lying to us. The Iraqi army is effective and loyal. The Iraqis love us. In fact the war ended years ago. We did not lose nearly 4,000 soldiers or take on half a trillion dollars in debt. Saddam wasn't just a run of the mill strongman, he was bent on nuking the US. When we attacked him he was afraid we'd find his WMD and get him in trouble, so he hid them real well. There is no danger of Turkey getting drawn into the theater or of the Shia majority snuggling with Iran. We did not torture the enemy and deprive the world of a beacon of freedom and hope. Iran is just miserable now. In short, our troops are homeward bound, leaving behind a flourishing democracy and a strong ally to the US. Mission Accomplished. Only if anything should maybe possibly just happen to go wrong, it's MoveOn's fault.[/clownworld]
Posted by: Claude Nuggets at October 21, 2007 11:58 AM (dB5s8)
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Claude, no one said things were rosy in Iraq. But it's not lost, in fact we are well on the way to victory.
Of course, victory for the Coalition forces means defeat for the lefties, so maybe that's the defeat you were talking about.
As for Turkey getting involved, the only reason they're considering it is because they feel they cannot trust us due to Speaker Pelosi's idiotic and meaningless resolution that was pretty much designed to anger the Turks.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2007 02:11 PM (ysloH)
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Last week the Sunnis and Shia together held a George W. Bush Big Honor Parade. I guess you didn't see that on the evening news, did you? They actually love the guy there. They named a mosque after him. Life under Saddam "Gassed his own people" Hussein was rife with blood and torture. Now that Democracy has taken root there is much prosperity. They are tasting the fruit of Western-style capitalism. They call themselves Bush's Children.
Posted by: Carl Nugent at October 21, 2007 04:31 PM (r7W6b)
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How about just answering my question rather than writing a book avoiding it?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 21, 2007 07:58 PM (6Yy5p)
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2007 10:51 PM (ysloH)
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The clowns are a bit snappish, no? I'm sorry that The Decider fell to 24% approval. I'd be snappish too.
Meanwhile, the Sunni and Shia now take long walks in the park together. The Shia are only too eager to split oil revenues with their new friends. The Sunnis trust the Shia police gangs to uphold justice. Turkey is content to watch the Kurds gather strength and make raids into Turkey. The Iranians and the Iraqi Shia have no plans to form a theocracy in Iraq.
No doubt The Decider saw it play out this way. These are the weighty issues that occupy his mind while he clears brush.
Posted by: Chuck Nuggets at October 22, 2007 12:41 AM (tODZQ)
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I love it when folks pull out Bush's approval rating.
Hey, sock puppet with multiple names: look at the approval rating of your own MoveOn-dominated Congress!
Posted by: C-C-G at October 22, 2007 09:17 AM (ysloH)
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Nugget, chill, there was no Bush Parade, but there was the small matter of liberating 25 million people from a brutal WMD building, WMD using, terror funding, Al-Qaida linked regime. Also the small matter of democratic elections (in a former dictatorship in the heart of the middle east) that elected a government of the people. There was also the matter of the destruction and humiliating defeat of Al Qaida in Iraq. You may have noticed that Osama, or the speechwriter who now stands in for the late bin laden, today was forced to aplogize for the al-qaida blunder in Iraq. I'm sorry you backed the wrong horse (liberal democrats) on the liberation of Iraq issue but thats no reason to get snippy. In future you people could try to be more like Liebermann democrats, that might make your party more popular with the American people.
Posted by: Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr at October 22, 2007 03:27 PM (gkobM)
Air America host Randi Rhodes is back on the air, sort of explaining the circumstances that cause her dental work to intersect with the local infrastructure.
Listen for yourself.
You'll note very clearly and distinctly that one of the first things Rhodes said was that her hands did not break her fall. That's odd.
There is a quirk is the physiology and the psychology of conscious human beings that compels most of us to put out our hands to break a fall.Most of us know people who've suffered abrasions, lacerations, sprains, or even fractured bones in their hands as a result of a fall.
That Rhodes states so clearly that her hands didn't even begin to break her fall suggests that she fell while losing consciousness, or after she had already lost consciousness. That Rhodes will not reveal whether or not she had been drinking in the pub prior to her fall (at Gawker, a commenter alleges she had, and how), and that she readily admits to not have eaten that day, certainly seems to make a loss of consciousness both the most logical reason for her fall, and the most logical explanation of why she did not follow the quite normal human tendency of sticking out her hands to protect herself from impacting the ground.
Frankly, I could care less over the cause of Rhodes slipping into unconsciousness, providing of course it wasn't the source of a serious underlying medical condition (regardless of political differences, she is a fellow human being and I bear her no ill will). Whether she had been drinking or not on an empty stomach really matters very little.
What is of greater concern is her apparent need to immediately spin this cause-undetermined blackout into an assault with a two-line email in which she says she had been mugged.
That she almost immediately fabricated a dramatic excuse instead of merely stating what she actually knew about the incident should raise character issues about Ms. Rhodes. If she would lie so easily about this matter, it should cause Air America listeners to wonder just how cavalierly she is willing to dismiss the truth or manipulate facts on the air to deliver to a more entertaining story for her listeners.
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If she had been mugged, and she believes that was the case....where is the police report? Why didn't she report it to police? Why did she not go to the hospital that evening? Why doctor appointments the next day?
Would it all be because that 1)she had been falling down drunk? 2)she was making an excuse for work and never expected it to be made public?
I'm askin...
Posted by: Tracy Coyle at October 19, 2007 03:33 PM (uakR1)
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If she would lie so easily about this matter, it should cause Air America listeners to wonder just how cavalierly she is willing to dismiss the truth or manipulate facts on the air to deliver to a more entertaining story for her listeners.
Air America listeners?
Wonder?
Hell, for them that type of personality trait is consider an asset.
Posted by: ThomasD at October 19, 2007 05:47 PM (HDgen)
She was in an Irish pub watching football all day and had nothing to eat. Gee, I don't suppose she had something to drink?
A pretty big detail to omit. Kind of a black hole.
If she was struck from behind so hard that she lost consciousness before she could break her fall, there would be evidence of the blow.
But then, I don't suppose she could admit that she passed out drunk in public before it was even eight o'clock in the evening.
That would be pathetic for a teenager.
For a middle-aged woman, it's grotesque.
Posted by: lyle at October 19, 2007 06:01 PM (0LZe8)
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Now that I think about it, that's awfully early to pass out drunk, even for the world's skankiest alcoholic. And what was that bit about smashing her face on a metal grate?
Is she referring to a subway ventilation grate or a sewer grate?
How about this for an explanation...
After drinking all day on an empty stomach, she staggered outside to puke in the street. She held a cigarette in one hand, and used the other to pull her hair out of the way. She bent close to the sewer grate so she wouldn't soil her clothing. When she convulsed, she lost her balance and landed face first.
Or it could have been Blackwater.
Posted by: lyle at October 19, 2007 06:21 PM (0LZe8)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 19, 2007 08:19 PM (6Yy5p)
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I finally got to listen to it...and I laughed quite hard!
Two things: In a pub and had nothing to eat? Must have been hydralic sandwiches for dinner then. I thought smoking was something only right-wing fascists did to destroy localized air quality and add to global warming?
Posted by: Mark at October 19, 2007 09:02 PM (P8ylB)
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Were the sidewalk or grate damaged? Is the city seeking damages? Where can I send a card?
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 20, 2007 10:00 AM (0pZel)
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A small footnote to a trivial story about a nonentity with no ratings.
If I recall correctly, in a documentary about Air America's startup, Rhodes said something about blowing her first year's paycheck on dental work. So we may simply be talking about damaged dentures rather than anything more serious.
Posted by: lyle at October 20, 2007 10:43 AM (0LZe8)
Posted by: Doc at October 20, 2007 01:23 PM (ypUq8)
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Anyone who has listened to Rhodes cannot help but think that the woman is just plain nuts. She rattles off fantasy after paranoid fantasy nonstop.
I literally cannot stand her inncessant stream of consciousness for than 5 minutes. If not an organic goofball, she surely has enough controlled substances in her 24/7 to melt right through the pee cup.
She needs help. Check into treatment Randi, and give K-Fed custody of the pooch.
Posted by: Cris at October 20, 2007 09:54 PM (GE7hs)
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Rumour has it there were two guys behind her right before the incident took place
They have been apprehended and are now in custody.
Their names:
Johnny Walker and Jack Daniels.
Posted by: TMF at October 22, 2007 07:54 PM (+Ac3z)
Naomi Wolf has her latest pre-packaged "Bush is going to overthrow the Constitution and install himself as dictator with the help of Blackwater" stem-winder posted on the Huffington Post, Arianna Huffington's menagerie of Who's Who in the DSM IV.
Wolf, true American patriot that she is, is criss-crossing these United States in a desperate bid to roll back the forces of Halliburton and the Illuminati, no doubt speaking with the same great oratory and care with the facts that we've come to expect from the Empress of Earth Tones.
She has all the answers to save this great nation from the plague of Bush, and writes with a truthfulness and accuracy that we haven't seen in over seven years... which can be your's for just $11.16 (You save $2.79).
Clearly, freedom comes with a price, but it wasn't until now that I realized it also comes with FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25.
"But wait, there's more!"
But what if she's wrong? What if--God forbid--she's profiteering from fears of overthrown liberty that may never be?
And therein lies the question, and well-deserved suspicion.
Is Naomi Wolf truly convinced that we have a grave constitutional crisis on our hands, that America about to succumb to dictatorial forces, and that only a book tour can save us? Or is Wolf cynically using the fears of the paranoid fringe to make a profit, filling her own coffers as a digital revivalist charlatan, ministering to those with more money than sense?
We could find out rather easily, I should think.
If Wolf truly believes what she writes, then she must believe that George W. Bush (the head of the American Nazi party she constantly alludes to, but never specifically names) will attempt to overthrow the country and establish himself a Hitleresque dictatorial figure by January 20, 2009, the day the next President of the United States is sworn into office (it would be kind of hard to do it after a new President is installed, after all).
If Wolf is sincere, she and others like her will no doubt be rounded up and shipped off to internment camps run by Michelle Malkin shortly after that date, soon to be fired in massive ovens run by a cigar-chomping Rush Limbaugh. No money she has saved, and none of her earthly possessions will mean a thing to her as her ashes waft in the breeze.
BUT...
What if Wolf is just peddling fear for profit? Shouldn't she be held accountable?
And so a modest challenge that an honest Wolf can easily meet.
If Wolf is honest and sincere about what she writes and the overwhelming majority of the United States continues to ignore her as a kook as they do now, then she'll be too dead to enjoy the money she's made selling her book to the lunatic convergence of Ron Paul supporters, truthers, and Indymedia conspiracy theorists.
"Now how much would you pay?"
But if she's merely been profiteering from fear, as I suspect she has been, then it only seems fair she should pay a price for her deception. Being the magnanimous person that I am and a capitalist, I won't ask her to return a dime to the suckers she's conned.
They, you see, need to be taught a lesson, too.
No, I propose a simple, cost-free solution: a promise from Wolf that if her fear-mongering goes for naught and the next President is sworn into office on January 20, 2009 without a coup d'état, that she will never write again in her current paranoia-outlet-of-choice, The Huffington Post.
The terms should be simple to enforce: if Wolf is right, Arianna Huffington will be rediscovering her conservative roots and swinging The Huffington Post to the right of David Horowitz's FrontPage Mag and will no longer in need of Wolf's services, and if Wolf is wrong and President Bush and his imaginary brownshirts shuffle off to Crawford, then the beautiful Ms. Huffington will still be mistress of her own quite successful domain, if a bit editorially top-heavy on end-of-the-republic-as-we-know-it conspiracy theorists, and needing to cut weight.
It's a simple challenge, really: Naomi Wolf should put her soapbox where her mouth is.
Somehow, though, I doubt she's up to even that mild challenge.
It might cut into her chances to market her next book, How President ________ Is Carving Up America's Soul With a Ginsu Knife.
it could be a parable for our times, if certain parties ever learned from their experiences.
but since they don't, maybe we should publish a collection entitled "Stuck on Stupid" instead? %-)
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 19, 2007 12:11 PM (IWoUD)
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I think Wolf is nuts. But I was thinking of your prescription, and how she doesn't put her money where her mouth is, nor will she pay a price in the likely event that she is proven wrong. I wonder... what would you prescribe for:
1. folks who insist that Islamofascism is the gravest threat civilization ever faced but will do nothing or virtually nothing advance the cause of civilization other than talk about it
2. folks who warned us about how Clinton would ruin the economy, and then told us how GW was going to do even better. Do they owe the rest of us anything for the mediocre economy we've had since 2001, or should they bear extra responsibility for paying off the national debt?
Posted by: cactus at October 19, 2007 12:29 PM (SV0Gb)
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Me personally... I'm still waiting for Baldwin et. al. to pack up and get the f*ck out of the US... we'd be much better off and the toxicity that is Hollywierd might come down a few notches... then again, with the exception of Venezuala I can't think of a place that any of them would be welcome, to include Wolf... lets face it... by placing that much "Suck" in one place, you risk forming a Black Hole of Talent that could very well mean the end of the earth as we know it.
Posted by: Big Country at October 19, 2007 12:36 PM (8dJDM)
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I'm sorry, cactus, but I'm having trouble following you. What would be "advancing the cause of civilization," by your definition?
I work in RTP, the largest research park on this planet, and know for a fact quite a few people from varying nations who work here that view Islamofacism as a very real threat. I would like for you to explain how the people working for these companies, investgating everything from technology to medicine to pharmacy, aren't doing more to "advance civilization" than just about anywhere else you can name. Or would you prefer these doctors and researchers to stop trying to cure cancer and MS or build smaller, smarter computers, and enlist so that they can huff up the side of a nameless mountain in Pakistan to put a bullet in a member of Osama's fan club?
I'd also like to know what country you live in, that you have a "mediocre economy."
We've had 49 consecutive months of job growth, the longest uninterrupted expansion of the labor market in U.S. history. Real after-tax per capita income has increased by 12.5% since Bush took office, and real wages have jumped 2.2 % a higher average rate than in all of the 1990s. Export have increases, the trade deficit has been reduced, the GDP is powering along at 3.8% after six consecutive years of growth, even including 9/11.
Those of us here in the U.S. are in the middle of a thriving economy, that is, in just about every way, better than what Clinton presided over. I'm sorry things aren't going so well wherever you are.
(BTW, to be fair to Clinton, Bush, and the 41 other Presidents before them, Presidents typically have a only a nominal impact on the economy, for good or for ill.)
The unemployment rate is low today because since the Welfare Reform Act took effect, when people hit the limit, there's no point in reporting to the unemployment office that you're looking for a job. The unemployment rate counts those who are looking.
Thus, a better measure is the employment to population ratio - also reported by the BLS. That is... the ratio of the population who have a job, which is not dependent on people who don't have an incentive to report they're looking in order for the number to make sense.
Click here. Note that the BLS now has a nifty graphing function. Take a look at what's happened to that since 2001, or take the longer view and include data going further back.
"BTW, to be fair to Clinton, Bush, and the 41 other Presidents before them, Presidents typically have a only a nominal impact on the economy, for good or for ill."
Why do you say that?
Mark L...
The heck with my feeling, or yours for that matter. The federal agency that keeps track of GDP and so forth is the BEA. Click here, then go to table 7.1 for real GDP per capita. Feel free to figure out for yourself - no need to trust me - how growth has looked since GW took office, as compared to, say, the previous administration. I could tell you, but you wouldn't believe me.
And the Census keeps track of real mean and median income. No need to trust what I feel. Check it out yourself.
Posted by: cactus at October 19, 2007 02:17 PM (SV0Gb)
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Let's go with it. Let's also add the proviso that, should we not have a western-civilization-ending showdown with Islam, everyone who has made money pandering to that demographic must also return what they've earned.
Posted by: nunaim at October 19, 2007 02:50 PM (22/Qe)
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Cactus, I see you're over on the other side of the street playing. Welcome, as an avid reader of Bob and you.
Bob, Cactus is a writer over at Angry Bear and has done extensive work in collecting and graphing much Econo-data. Some of his interpretations/conclusions can be left of center, but that's no surprise and even no indictment.
Posted by: CoRev at October 19, 2007 03:02 PM (0U8Ob)
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Well, Bob, the "Fundamentalists" have been making a pretty good living over the past few years writing about Armegeddon, it was just a matter of time before the Leftys got in the game.
Posted by: jj at October 19, 2007 04:35 PM (Gx8W6)
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The unemployment rate is low today because since the Welfare Reform Act took effect, when people hit the limit, there's no point in reporting to the unemployment office that you're looking for a job. The unemployment rate counts those who are looking.
Thus, a better measure is the employment to population ratio - also reported by the BLS. That is... the ratio of the population who have a job, which is not dependent on people who don't have an incentive to report they're looking in order for the number to make sense.
You feel that employment to population is a better measure. Care to explain why, other than it makes Bush look bad?
Posted by: Mark A. Flacy at October 19, 2007 06:07 PM (Ef+b7)
I tend not to pick series based on who they make look good or bad. It just so happens that Bush doens't look good on a lot of things, but maybe that has something to do with a) the amount of time he spends on vacation and b) the amount of time which he doesn't spend on vacation that he spends mountain biking. But that's neither here nor there.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' glossary, the unemployment rate is defined as "the number unemployed as a percent of the labor force."
Now, to be unemployed, one has to have "made specific efforts to find employment sometime during the 4-week period ending with the reference week." Otherwise, even if you're jobless - you're not considered unemployed. Assuming you're not retired or studying, they figure you don't want a job or at least are discouraged from looking for one, in which case, by definition, you're not unemployed.
Anyway, how do they know if a person made specific efforts to find employment? Well, he/she has to tell them, them being the unemployment office or the welfare office, which pass on the information to the BLS who in turn adds it all up. But if you put a time limit on how long a person can receive benefits, say, a few years, and person runs through those few years, what incentive do they have to show up at the unemployment office and declare or even prove they were looking for a job?
Anyway, the limit on unemployment compensation, I believe, is 26 weeks, and the lifetime limit on welfare is 5 years. A lot of people hit that limit a while back. Which means that the unemployment rate no longer means what it used to mean.
As to to the employment to population ratio... that's just the ratio of people per job. Ideally, one would look at the working age population, but I don't think the demographics have changed enough nor in a way that would be relevant in explaining what we've seen happen in the last few years.
Posted by: cactus at October 19, 2007 06:45 PM (SV0Gb)
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In other words, cactus, you are arguing the economy is bad because you feel it is bad. Since statistics don't back you up, by gum, why them statistics just gotta be wrong. They just gotta.
It's okay. We understand. We do. Really.
Posted by: Mark L at October 19, 2007 07:46 PM (JaqMZ)
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Cactus, But if you put a time limit on how long a person can receive benefits, say, a few years, and person runs through those few years, what incentive do they have to show up at the unemployment office and declare or even prove they were looking for a job? Doesn't this class fit the definition of non-working individuals who don't want a job? Discouraged maybe if we interviewed them, but definitely without a job and seemingly uncaring about it.
Posted by: CoRev at October 19, 2007 08:19 PM (0U8Ob)
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Cactus, do your figures include those people who have left a job working for someone else to open their own business and work for themselves?
Just askin'...
Posted by: C-C-G at October 19, 2007 08:51 PM (ufhAS)
I linked to the data. I can't imagine you looked at it or that you understood it or you wouldn't have written what you wrote.
CoRev,
That's the problem, isn't it? Motivations and constraints being what they are, at this point you can't tell the two groups (those that want jobs and those that don't) apart because you took away the mechanism that used to be useful for sorting one group from the other.
Posted by: cactus at October 19, 2007 08:55 PM (SV0Gb)
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Okay so Blackwater is going to help Bush become a dictator? Guess I better get that resume in the mail ASAP. Want to make sre I'm on the winning team and all that. Think they're still paying top dollar @ Blackwater?
Posted by: Stacy at October 19, 2007 10:56 PM (5IFLu)
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Oh, and cactus, we've got an older population. Could be they just decided to retire. But hey, you can spin it to "Bush Bad!" and that's all that matters.
Posted by: SDN at October 20, 2007 08:14 AM (Hg2oD)
The same BLS link also gets you a graph for the series in the 16 to 19 year old age group. The pattern seems to be the same... so either:
1. what we're observing is, indeed, as you say, folks retiring; presumably, since 16 to 19 year olds are following the same pattern, we can conclude that 16 to 19 year olds are also choosing to retire
2. the patterns we're observing are due to something other than people choosing to retire
Considering that, given the other links (to real GDP per capita and real median income) seem to indicate that things aren't going so great for most people, I wouldn't bet on large numbers of 16 to 19 year olds deciding to its time to take that gold watch. But you can spin it that way if it gets you to the "Bush good" outcome you're after.
FWIW... there is data out there. Its easy to find. And it contradicts a lot of what you believe.
Posted by: cactus at October 20, 2007 03:25 PM (SV0Gb)
Put another way... over the same time that the employment to population ratio dropped, the working age population as a percentage of the total increased.
Posted by: cactus at October 20, 2007 03:51 PM (SV0Gb)
Its not my data. I linked to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the government agency that computes data on employment, unemployment, and for whatever reason, the CPI and inflation. As to your question, from their glossary, the definition of employed persons:
"Persons 16 years and over in the civilian noninstitutional population who, during the reference week, (a) did any work at all (at least 1 hour) as paid employees; worked in their own business, profession, or on their own farm, or worked 15 hours or more as unpaid workers in an enterprise operated by a member of the family..."
So yes, it includes work people did as business owners. Pretty much everyone except prisoners or members of the military, but they're not counted in the employment to population ratio anyway. (You may recall Reagan tried to have the "noninstitutional" removed from the definition in order to make the figures better back in 84, if memory serves.)
As an aside, I believe the business figures are way overstated right now. (I can get into a discussion of the business births-deaths model they use, which is a pet peeve of mine, if you'd like, but I think its enough to point out it isn't transparent.)
Posted by: cactus at October 21, 2007 07:30 AM (SV0Gb)
Does your data account for people who are no longer employed by someone else because they are now employed by themselves?
Your reluctance to answer that question speaks volumes.
Well, yes--volumes about your unwillingness to read or understand what people post here. Yet again.
Posted by: nunaim at October 21, 2007 07:58 AM (Ek553)
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Seems to me you have two potential trends working to deoress the EP ratio, an aging population and 16-19 year olds electing to stay in school. Making college more affordable has been a major platform issue for the Dems, presumably because this is a big part of their base, so this is hardly a surprise. A choice to stay in school is also a factor of economic alternatives and a lot of people have speculated that competition from low wage immigrants has led that younger cohort to delay entering the workforce.
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 21, 2007 05:38 PM (0pZel)
The population may be aging, but from 2000 to now, the working age population as a share of the total has increased, not decreased. (See numbers provided upthread based on data from the Census, linked to upthread.)
Posted by: cactus at October 21, 2007 06:01 PM (clLqi)
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cactus - I'm aware of the increase. The BLS database is currently not available - the flag on it indicates possibly due to updating. My understanding of a drop in the EP over the past five or six years can be explained by the two factors in my comment, which you did not address. The 16-19 age cohort is part of working population.
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 21, 2007 08:11 PM (0pZel)
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I think we are all missing the point here, and that point is that Naomi Wolf is a raving loony.
Posted by: Techie at October 22, 2007 10:28 AM (T+8Gr)