Citing Microsoft's Practice of Laying Off American Workers and Replacing Them With H-1B "Indentured Servants," Trump Suspends Microsoft's Ability to Use the Green Card Program

Should have been done long ago.

Hit Disney next.

The terrorist-aligned AP is sad.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Donald Trump's administration is suspending tech giant Microsoft from a program to apply for green cards for workers who come to the U.S. to live and work using H-1B visas as it accuses the company of fraud.
Supporters of the Republican president have long argued that various programs like the one Vice President JD Vance accused Microsoft of abusing essentially empower American companies to recruit foreign workers for jobs that end up undercutting Americans. In a wide-ranging announcement Thursday, Vance and other top administration officials also called out universities over their use of J-1 visas for international students and information technology outsourcing firms.
The announcement came hours before Trump was scheduled to award the National Medal of Technology and Innovation to Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, part of an event at which he is granting some of the nation's most prestigious science and technology awards to his tech billionaire allies.

Thank you for that completely irrelevant Democrat party attack line in the middle of the article, AP.

Vance said the program from which Microsoft is being suspended requires companies to advertise jobs in America before applying to the Department of Labor to show they need to give a foreign worker a green card because of a lack of American workers.
"They'll put an advertisement in a small-town newspaper. They'll go out there and say that 'We have advertised for a position with our company, and nobody is responding to it.' And they will use that lack of response to then go and replace American workers with what is effectively foreign indentured servants," Vance said. "There has been no company in the United States, unfortunately, that has used this system more than Microsoft."

Microsoft is No. 5 among U.S. employers when it comes to using H-1B visas, according data from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Amazon is No. 1.

Um, the "system" he's referring to includes fraudulently "advertising" for positions where the advertisement is intended to never be seen. So your attempt to "correct the record" with another Democrat party attack line fails.

Now for some more Democrat-Corporate Party messaging:

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Doug Rand, a former senior adviser at USCIS during the Biden administration, called Vance's announcement "incoherent."
"If the Trump administration were truly concerned that H-1B workers are 'indentured servants,' then the last thing they would do is block companies from helping their own H-1B workers get green cards," he said. "Once you have a green card, you're no longer dependent on your employer for your immigration status -- you're a permanent resident who can change jobs and negotiate higher wages without fear."

These are just the figures for a single year:

Vance said Microsoft last year laid off 6,000 American workers but also obtained 6,300 H-1B visas and almost 3,000 green cards.
"If you do the math, for every worker that Microsoft laid off, they replaced that worker with one and a half foreign indentured servants," Vance said in a White House news conference announcing the decision. "Our message to Microsoft is: You're a great American company, but you've got to hire great American workers."
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The H-1B program has long been a target of Trump supporters who say that the program undercuts American workers and is rife with abuse.
H-1B visas are meant for high-skilled jobs that are difficult to find American workers to fill. Technology companies are the biggest users, with nearly three-quarters of approvals going to workers from India.

Trump also moved to punish so-called universities for abusing the system. Foreigners come over to study at universities and work at jobs during and after their study. Trump wants colleges to pay $70,000 per student to cover the costs to the government of this pain in the ass.

And also, cut down on abuse -- I imagine that many foreigners are coming just to take a couple of credits per semester, using the program as a backdoor to scam what is effectively another H-1B visa.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:20 PM

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1 Citing Microsoft's Practice of Laying Off American Workers and Replacing Them With H-1B "Indentured Servants," Trump Suspends Microsoft's Ability to Use the Green Card Program

This is the way it should be done. Too bad judge boasberg is going to rule this unconstitutional tonight.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2026 03:23 PM (I43vL)

2 Yeah, baby!

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at October 08, 2026 03:23 PM (wxsGM)

3 I think Boasberg has a

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at October 08, 2026 03:24 PM (wxsGM)

4 How the heck did I get a first? You people are slipping.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2026 03:24 PM (I43vL)

5 THIS is what I voted for.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 08, 2026 03:24 PM (N1DT3)

6 How the heck did I get a first? You people are slipping.

Elric's at GheyCon. Usually that would mean Sponge was first.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 08, 2026 03:25 PM (2ocoG)

7 >H-1B visas are meant for high-skilled jobs that are difficult to find American workers to fill. Technology companies are the biggest users, with nearly three-quarters of approvals going to workers from India

Indians are wearing out their welcome.

Posted by: mr tmz at October 08, 2026 03:26 PM (rJ48h)

8 "Um, the "system" he's referring to includes fraudulently "advertising" for positions where the advertisement is intended to never be seen. So your attempt to "correct the record" with another Democrat party attack line fails."

I think you're missing the part of the article you are responding to ace.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 08, 2026 03:26 PM (N1DT3)

9 Good. Americans should be employed first.

Posted by: huerfano at October 08, 2026 03:27 PM (2Xqig)

10 What's this do to all the lateral filled jobs? Maybe no new Indians come into the country but we sure as shit keep recycling the current ones into job after job.

Posted by: nckate at October 08, 2026 03:27 PM (enNUy)

11 Hit Disney next.

____________________

Weird thing about Disney (especially in their Animated department) is that their most egregious acts weren't related to H1B1's. It was more a DEI path.

There's a great documentary out there that has probably been banned off the usual platforms where they show the difference between the "masters of animated features" and the people the brought in to replace them.

Disney terminated their most talented and decorated animators and brought into young, liberal (just out of school) kids to do their animation features...and you can see the difference in quality, message, and entertainment. Disney used to be the gold standard on this genre. Now, it's amateurish crap.

Posted by: Orson at October 08, 2026 03:28 PM (dIske)

12 "Um, the "system" he's referring to includes fraudulently "advertising" for positions where the advertisement is intended to never be seen. So your attempt to "correct the record" with another Democrat party attack line fails."

I think you're missing the part of the article you are responding to ace.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 08, 2026 03:26 PM (N1DT3)

Ah, never mind, I understand the point now.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 08, 2026 03:30 PM (N1DT3)

13 Indians are wearing out their welcome.
Posted by: mr tmz

20 years ago.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 08, 2026 03:30 PM (nYyee)

14 Can he please now do call centers for tech support, and just about everything else? Some day I would like to call for help and speak with someone who speaks English.

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:31 PM (FyeA3)

15 It's racist for Americans to steal these Indians from India where they could be solving India's public sanitation problem and other such problems the West figured out 200 years ago.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 08, 2026 03:31 PM (3cUTc)

16 I forget.

How many Nobel Prizes went to scientists in India?

Posted by: Texican ette at October 08, 2026 03:32 PM (SNf74)

17 It's a terrible practice and it's been going on for some time. Not only do the companies get people through H1B but they have also exported jobs to India where they can get two tech workers for what they were paid here . It's exploitive of Indian workers and American ones

Several months ago I was travelling and passed a huge- and what must have been very expensive- Hindu temple. Outside they had a big sign for "Job Fair " . I have a feeling that if anyone showed up with an American accent who didn't look Indian nobody would have seen them .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 08, 2026 03:32 PM (JrHfD)

18 OT but I just got tickets to see Trump next Tuesday in Wasilla.

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:33 PM (FyeA3)

19 The advertising part is kayfabe.

There is a shortage of these workers because the pipeline takes 10 years to fill, maybe more. Suppress wages today with H1bs, and you guarantee that there will be a shortage in 10 years.

This is basic economics. They all understand this. End H1bs.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at October 08, 2026 03:33 PM (QHYvA)

20 Weird thing about Disney (especially in their Animated department) is that their most egregious acts weren't related to H1B1's. It was more a DEI path.

They briefly had the undisputed leadership position circa 2012, too. Pixar was still making good movies and John Lasseter was in charge of Disney animation, which got them Wreck-It Ralph and Frozen. That made a lot of ugly women at Disney very angry so they got rid of him and made all of the movies be about fat lesbians. They had Peak Woke 5 years before the rest of the world, which is not an innovation to brag about.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 08, 2026 03:36 PM (2ocoG)

21 H-1B visas are meant for high-skilled jobs that are difficult to find American workers to fill. Technology companies are the biggest users, with nearly three-quarters of approvals going to workers from India.
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If India is filled with technological geniuses, why is it such a shit hole?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2026 03:36 PM (FZ29D)

22 As a software manager I could see the abuse of the program in universities. When advertising software positions, approximately 90% of the applicants are Indian nationals in a CS Masters program applying for work, even if they are just in the first weeks of their program. The education VISA gets them into the US and in huge, organized masses they flood the job search sites looking for an employer to sponsor them and will drop out if they get lucky. Schools don't care as long as they get their tuition.

Posted by: justALurker at October 08, 2026 03:37 PM (4jnbQ)

23 Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:33 PM (FyeA3

Neat!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 08, 2026 03:38 PM (JrHfD)

24 Next step is to review all those Green Cards issued over the years, and start revoking them if they were given for this scenario.

In addition, revoke US citizenship of everyone with dual citizenship, then deport them and permanently refuse them future entry. I know it will affect some of the Morons, but a rule has to be consistent.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 08, 2026 03:40 PM (qx7Zg)

25 What is not mentioned is that Microsoft looted the taxpayers of their wealth, diluted their culture, and sold off our inheritance to save 20-30% on salary.

When an employer buys himself an indentured servant through the H1B slave trade, the H1B has an immediate upgrade from whatever shithole they came from to an advanced formerly high-trust society.

Then Microsoft expects that we spend a quarter million dollars for each of their Anchor Babies' K-12 education. That we grant them to bring over their village and put their parents on to our welfare system, that we subsidize the use of our parks, roads, courts; that we pay for their security, their medical bills, all in exchange that our culture is degraded, replaced and marginalized.

And what Microsoft gets is a crappier product that drives people to use Linux.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 03:41 PM (a3CJ+)

26 So do the indentured servants go on to get CDL's and a bank loan so they can buy a semi truck and compete against American workers. They don't even buy shoes, they wear chi nese flip flops.

Posted by: torabora at October 08, 2026 03:41 PM (fsQJX)

27 If India is filled with technological geniuses, why is it such a shit hole?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2026 03:36 PM (FZ29D)

I thought I would like to go to India to see the architecture, but the thought of the smell was just too off-putting. Not to mention the thought of the food, which can't be all that hygienic either. I'll pass.

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:41 PM (FyeA3)

28 Can he please now do call centers for tech support, and just about everything else? Some day I would like to call for help and speak with someone who speaks English.
Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:31 PM (FyeA3)

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Aren't call centers actually in India though? I honestly don't know.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:41 PM (DRSnL)

29 Were I a graphics whiz, I would create a Clippy image with a black eye

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 08, 2026 03:41 PM (XeU6L)

30 In addition, revoke US citizenship of everyone with dual citizenship, then deport them and permanently refuse them future entry. I know it will affect some of the Morons, but a rule has to be consistent.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 08, 2026 03:40 PM

The dual citizenship garbage is nonsense and most likely illegal under common law. You can't owe allegiance to two separate countries.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2026 03:42 PM (I43vL)

31 23 Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:33 PM (FyeA3

Great... Never thought we would have to be campaigning so hard in Alaska...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 03:42 PM (+gK6I)

32
Great. Now my Windows 3.1 is going to crash. Who will fix it if they don't have a heavy Indian accent?

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 08, 2026 03:42 PM (OkYzo)

33 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 03:42 PM (ccf/V)

34 No H1-B's until American unemployment is below 2%.

I'd prefer ZERO, but I'm a giver.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 03:42 PM (ccf/V)

35 > The announcement came hours before Trump was scheduled to award the National Medal of Technology and Innovation to Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella....
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The optics here are... blurry. WTF would you "award" someone (Satya Nadella, who's probably not from Anytown, USA) and works at the very company you're taking to the mat for abusing the H1-B visa program?

Who in the administration thought this was a "good idea?"

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2026 03:43 PM (RORbl)

36 Notably from X,

Desi H-1Bhenchods
@desitechsuppoat
·
1h
INDIAN STOCKS TANKING AFTER H-1B APOCALYPSE THURSDAY

9/11 FOR H-1B

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 03:43 PM (E4rtv)

37 It's minor but I also hate Universities giving sports scholarships to foreigners. Lot of American kids would be just as good if not better.

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 03:43 PM (KC5Lt)

38 Simwhalli and Jardeep can go work at Union Carbide. Don't give a fuck. Out.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 08, 2026 03:43 PM (nYyee)

39 The terrorist-aligned AP is sad.

Reuters celebrated 10/7 by posting 3 hours of revolving footage of Gaza City........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 03:43 PM (ccf/V)

40 Can he please now do call centers for tech support, and just about everything else? Some day I would like to call for help and speak with someone who speaks English.
Posted by: tcn
--------

"My name is Pheelip"

Uh, 'Pheelip',where are you?

"Calcutta"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 08, 2026 03:43 PM (XeU6L)

41 17 Not only do the companies get people through H1B but they have also exported jobs to India where they can get two tech workers for what they were paid here . It's exploitive of Indian workers and American ones

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

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I have never seen outsourcing of tech work (only customer service and then only badly.)

Why not? because Indians.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at October 08, 2026 03:43 PM (QHYvA)

42 A little off-topic, but I think I've found James Talarico:

https://tinyurl.com/48t7eswv+

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 08, 2026 03:44 PM (qx7Zg)

43 The education VISA gets them into the US and in huge, organized masses they flood the job search sites looking for an employer to sponsor them and will drop out if they get lucky.

The education visa is the golden ticket because that visa makes the employee exempt from the employer's contribution to FICA. Built right in is a 15% advantage over an American citizen.

H1Bs, OTOH, do pay into FICA and unless there is a special agreement, that money is never realized unless they end up as US citizens by getting that foothold and a household full of anchor babies and their parents.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 03:44 PM (/TiS1)

44 31 23 Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:33 PM (FyeA3

Great... Never thought we would have to be campaigning so hard in Alaska...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 03:42 PM (+gK6I)

The last time I saw a sitting president in Alaska was when Nixon and Hirohito were on the tarmac at Elmendorf AFB. I might have been seven. I still have the little card that was the ticket to get in.

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:44 PM (FyeA3)

45 The dual citizenship garbage is nonsense and most likely illegal under common law. You can't owe allegiance to two separate countries.
Posted by: Mister Scott
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Blame Scotus for that decision during the Warren Court. Like the current garbage over natural born citizens. Both courts ignored history and provisions of the Constitution that contradicted their bad decisions.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 03:44 PM (E4rtv)

46 INDIAN STOCKS TANKING AFTER H-1B APOCALYPSE THURSDAY

9/11 FOR H-1B
Posted by: whig

Oh well.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 08, 2026 03:45 PM (nYyee)

47 The thing is what positions were the 6000 laid of holding

Posted by: Banned at October 08, 2026 03:45 PM (ubBvx)

48 India is the Father of the 'Good Enough' work product attitude. Central / South America is the Mother.

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 03:46 PM (KC5Lt)

49 Good to.see JD heading up India's favorite fraud initiative. Ask me why.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 08, 2026 03:46 PM (bX16E)

50 Willowed:

The latest survivor of the USS Arizona has died. Lou Counter was 102
Posted by: Smell the Glove

I'd recommend sending that story to JJ for the Morning Report.
Posted by: Bulg

Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 03:46 PM (77rzZ)

51 Having spent the day debugging an "out of the box" Salesforce application, and knowing I'm shit outta luck until morning . .

I need to bite my tongue about India, Inc

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 08, 2026 03:46 PM (4G7wI)

52 Kamala would have been better on immigration.

You know, Obama was better than Trump on immigration.

Trump betrayed us by not doing anything about immigration.

I still see that Bangladeshi man at my Costco, so I know for a fact that not one person has been deported.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 03:46 PM (1kJuV)

53 We don't want the foreign workers here at all, Doug Rand. Thus, the action taken against Microsoft and the other companies that gleefully stick it to American workers.

Nothing incoherent about this initiative at all.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 08, 2026 03:46 PM (syfll)

54 A brother of mine works a job where he was training his planned replacement...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2026 03:47 PM (l3cgK)

55 Trump honoring his uncle today,

'
Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
·
1h
🚨 JUST NOW: In an awesome moment, President Trump just watched footage of the EXTRAORDINARY achievements and life of his uncle — Dr. John G. Trump — a recipient of the National Medal of Science under Ronald Reagan

"On D-Day, his radars JAMMED German defenses."

Dr. Trump was a legendary MIT professor who pioneered high-voltage X-ray machines used to treat cancer patients, saving countless lives

During WWII he helped develop RADAR for the Allies.

Now Trump is giving out the same award to people like @ElonMusk"

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 03:47 PM (E4rtv)

56 Sometimes I think all international internet traffic should just be cut.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at October 08, 2026 03:47 PM (QHYvA)

57 I have never seen outsourcing of tech work (only customer service and then only badly.)

Look up "Resource Centers" because all of the major employers sponsor office complexes in India that supports off-shored IT work.

This arrangement is better because I'm not picking up the expense of educating and medicating foreigners so that H1B cheating organizations can cut their salary expense while raising the DEI and Diversity scores

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 03:47 PM (/TiS1)

58 A brother of mine works a job where he was training his planned replacement...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2026 03:47 PM (l3cgK)

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Ugh, that sucks.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:48 PM (DRSnL)

59 I did like the movie Outsourced though it did further cement my decision never ever to travel to India.

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 03:49 PM (KC5Lt)

60 The announcement came hours before Trump was scheduled to award the National Medal of Technology and Innovation to Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella

Trump then Rochambeau's Nadella as he awards the Medal. >8^>

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at October 08, 2026 03:49 PM (iIyc0)

61 Ugh, that sucks.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:48 PM (DRSnL)

I feel like this nick is familiar, I just can't place it......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 03:49 PM (ccf/V)

62 I did like the movie Outsourced though it did further cement my decision never ever to travel to India.
Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 03:49 PM (KC5Lt)

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I love that movie, and same!

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:49 PM (DRSnL)

63 Does this mean Americans will flock to India to open flop house motels and shitty convenience store gas stations and vape shops?

Posted by: Mr.Drucker at October 08, 2026 03:50 PM (pa/M5)

64 48 India is the Father of the 'Good Enough' work product attitude. Central / South America is the Mother.
Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 03:46 PM (KC5Lt)

DH's company hired some SA draftsmen because they couldn't find anyone here to do the work. So many people left AK during covid and didn't come back, so it is tricky finding workers. At any rate, they charged something like 1/5 what locals would be paid, but he had to check every line for accuracy because they weren't really all that good.

You get what you pay for.

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:50 PM (FyeA3)

65 Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:49 PM (DRSn

Good to see your nic again !!

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 03:50 PM (KC5Lt)

66 Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at October 08, 2026 03:43 PM (QHYvA)

This what someone I know was told. Their job as a Systems Analyst was being outsourced to India. They were not told they got two -three tech workers over for the price of one, but that was the word sub rosa throughout the company. This person was not the only one affected by this. And they ( Indian workers ) probably not as good as the people they replaced .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 08, 2026 03:51 PM (JrHfD)

67 I feel like this nick is familiar, I just can't place it......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 03:49 PM (ccf/V)

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Somebody is going to sass their way out of a bottle of Buffalo Trace.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:51 PM (DRSnL)

68 30+ year veteran of the tech industry here:

There was NEVER a shortage of engineers. The entire premise behind the H1B is, was, and always will be, a LIE. It was only ever about importing cheap labor, and on the Indian side it was about waging economic warfare against us by sending American money back to India in the form of remittances. Something like 12% of India's GDP is foreign remittances. These Indians are loyal to Modi, loyal to India, and engage in racist, nepotistic hiring practices to hire more and more indians and send more and more remittances back to India.

And here's the other fact: 95% of Indian "Engineers" can't even code. Not even with the help of AI - and this is why every major corporate software has gotten markedly WORSE over the last 20 years (while open source software has gotten markedly BETTER in that time) - because these Indian "engineers" can't code.

In short: FUCK INDIA. End the H1B and Deport them all. Don't even make them train their American replacements because they can't do the job anyways.

And kudos to the Trump Admin for hitting Microsoft and Adobe. Now hit Amazon and Google next.

Posted by: Naqamel at October 08, 2026 03:51 PM (NaWI1)

69 Be funny to force the "anti-corporate" left to go on record as to whether they agree with or oppose this.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 03:52 PM (sKqQm)

70 Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2026 03:47 PM (l3cgK)

It sure does!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 08, 2026 03:52 PM (JrHfD)

71 > Vance said Microsoft last year laid off 6,000 American workers but also obtained 6,300 H-1B visas and almost 3,000 green cards.

There's reporting that says Microsoft filed 3,682 PERM applications after laying off the 6,000 and almost 1,000 of those applications were for positions to backfill the laid off workers.

http://tiny.cc/0gsb101

My understanding is this is directly against federal law.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2026 03:52 PM (mkw2N)

72 Good to see your nic again !!
Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 03:50 PM (KC5Lt)

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Thanks! I'm embracing my inner slacker today.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:53 PM (DRSnL)

73 Personally I think we should get rid of H1B entirely.
This Country has plenty of people who could do the job better than anyone from overseas.

And if they really want a person from out of the country, charge 500,000 dollars a years for that visa.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 08, 2026 03:53 PM (Oq/TM)

74 Can he please now do call centers for tech support, and just about everything else?

That will be part of the fallout from the Super Intelligence advances. AI is making for exceptionally good Tier 1 customer support.

No more struggling to parse through the slurring of words or strong accent. Just start talking and Super Intelligence will immediately identify the language. No more Push 2 for English.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 03:53 PM (9Hs2w)

75 I'm starting to get the feeling that from now until Election Day, we are going to get more Administration announcements and speeches at an accelerated pace.

Flooding the public arena.

Posted by: mrp at October 08, 2026 03:53 PM (rj6Yv)

76 The intent of H1B was to allow for American companies to hire people with singular knowledge from overseas - so imagine a mathematician or linguist with specialized knowledge only they have

Corporate America has instead used it to hire entry and mid level positions which is...not at all what the intent every was.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 03:53 PM (sKqQm)

77 Better late than never...this should have been part of the 1st 30 days, but I guess less than 30 days before the midterms works too (too bad some folks have already voted places...this could have changed votes)...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 03:54 PM (tOcjL)

78 That will be part of the fallout from the Super Intelligence advances. AI is making for exceptionally good Tier 1 customer support.

==

Nothing against ai/si, but it is not there yet.

Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 03:54 PM (AKptf)

79 I'm starting to get the feeling that from now until Election Day, we are going to get more Administration announcements and speeches at an accelerated pace.

Flooding the public arena.

We finally have a right leaning pol that knows how to play the game

Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 03:54 PM (sKqQm)

80 No more Push 2 for English.
Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 03:53 PM (9Hs2w)

This has always pissed me off. Who lives here but can't speak the language? You wanna be American? Speak American.

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:54 PM (FyeA3)

81 Thanks! I'm embracing my inner slacker today.
Posted by: Jordan61

You gotta rest up for your Bacon Wench duties.

(You are the Bacon Wench, correct?)

Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 03:55 PM (77rzZ)

82 66 Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at October 08, 2026 03:43 PM (QHYvA)

This what someone I know was told. Their job as a Systems Analyst was being outsourced to India. They were not told they got two -three tech workers over for the price of one, but that was the word sub rosa throughout the company. This person was not the only one affected by this. And they ( Indian workers ) probably not as good as the people they replaced .
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Disney did it in 2015. Mass firing of US employees that were required to train their foreign replacements for any severance pay.

From Brave AI.
In 2015, Disney laid off approximately 250 IT workers at Walt Disney World and replaced them with foreign employees hired on H-1B visas through outsourcing firms like HCL America and Cognizant Technology Solutions.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 03:55 PM (E4rtv)

83 In my experience, it is very basic and the information is no different than can be found on the FAQ page.

Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 03:55 PM (AKptf)

84 They can start at USAA for insurance companies as well.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 08, 2026 03:55 PM (uDSNN)

85 Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 03:53 PM (9Hs2w)

I had an AI assistant take my call from the service department of my car dealership. She took my info and assured me I would get a call back. It's been two days and no call. AI is more human like than I thought .

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 03:55 PM (KC5Lt)

86 Do other countries have "press 2 for English" or is it just us? I can't imagine. Press 6 for Farsi....

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:56 PM (FyeA3)

87 76 The intent of H1B was to allow for American companies to hire people with singular knowledge from overseas - so imagine a mathematician or linguist with specialized knowledge only they have

Corporate America has instead used it to hire entry and mid level positions which is...not at all what the intent every was.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 03:53 PM (sKqQm)

The intent is to bring over the doctor who discovered the next genius line of cancer treatment...or the engineer who created the internet...not the low level person. American kids can be low level and trained.

Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 03:56 PM (tOcjL)

88 > I did like the movie Outsourced though it did further cement my decision never ever to travel to India.

It bothers me when people say outsourced when they mean offshored. Outsourcing just means outside the company. If you hire a team from the company across the street, that's outsourcing. Offshoring is hiring a company from outside the country.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2026 03:56 PM (mkw2N)

89 One of the best ways to increase American salaries is to reduce the supply of labor.

Now, this does increase the costs MSFT and the like are paying but as those on the left always tell us "big corporations can afford to give up some of their earnings"

Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 03:57 PM (sKqQm)

90 Look up "Resource Centers" because all of the major employers sponsor office complexes in India that supports off-shored IT work.

Posted by: Community Notes

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Like I said, I have never seen it work. The product is always shit. Maybe things are different in finance or desktop apps, but in the companies I have worked for the results were very bad.
I have seen IT support outsourced, so you call over to india to find out why your document won't open, but that's just customer service. Not programming. And that is very forgiving as if it takes the customer twice as long to get the right answer, no one notices.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at October 08, 2026 03:57 PM (QHYvA)

91 The AI customer service at Amazon is fucking useless.

Posted by: nckate at October 08, 2026 03:57 PM (enNUy)

92 India's Legal Ministry (in coordination with India's top law enforcement) finally admitted about 6 months ago that there are likely over 1 Million people out in the world from India with bogus credentials. That's one of the primary fraud efforts of organized crime syndicates in India.

That, pretty much, effects every type of VISA handed out by consular offices. H1-B1's , Student VISA's, Temp. Work VISA's. etc. They falsify and create diplomas, work experience, credentials, law degrees, medical degrees, tech degrees....etc.

Domestically, when India's top law office requested a vetting of all practicing lawyers in India to address this problem, over 40% of lawyers (practicing law in India) refused to be vetted. That should tell you the size of the issue.

Posted by: Orson at October 08, 2026 03:57 PM (dIske)

93 69 Be funny to force the "anti-corporate" left to go on record as to whether they agree with or oppose this.
Posted by: 18-1
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This is aimed directly at young college educated white males being locked out of the tech market and thus are Bernie Bros or groyper curious.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 03:57 PM (E4rtv)

94 You get what you pay for.
Posted by: tcn in AK

As a relative likes to correct me, "You get no more than you pay for."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 08, 2026 03:57 PM (nEUC6)

95 How the heck did I get a first? You people are slipping.

Elric's at GheyCon. Usually that would mean Sponge was first.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 08, 2026 03:25 PM (2ocoG)

I was at work. Sometimes you guys just need to carry the torch.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 03:57 PM (ccf/V)

96 India is the Father of the 'Good Enough' work product attitude. Central / South America is the Mother.

Texas' Department of Transportation is chock full of Indian "engineers". Beware of failing bridges and roads. BIL is very senior and reports that they don't perform well, don't know how to do the job and are resistant to correction or to learn.

There is a reason why India's roads and bridges are not of any enduring quality.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 03:57 PM (9Hs2w)

97 You can easily spot an H1B ad. It’s I very specific. Like 7 years experience in this very obscure combination of skills. Then a a very specific combination of certifications.

It’s basically exactly the H1B and nobody hit him will ever be “the right match”.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 03:57 PM (T+9ay)

98 I voted for that!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2026 03:58 PM (RIvkX)

99 91 The AI customer service at Amazon is fucking useless.
Posted by: nckate at October 08, 2026 03:57 PM (enNUy)

It will give immediate refunds for low level non-returnable items, so it's not totally useless...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 03:58 PM (tOcjL)

100 I see MSFT stock dropped a bit starting at noon. When was this information made available to the public

Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 03:59 PM (sKqQm)

101 targeting MS is a bit rich. I'd bet actual real money that Musk's various companies abuse it far more often and egregiously.

I would not be surprised it was done at the behest of Musk because of the direct competition of CoPilot and Grok.

Did Microsoft forget to give Tom Homan his bag of $50,000?
Gotta remember those bribes are annual bribes. You'd think Microsoft would know how the subscription payment model works.

If there are no fraud lawsuits or criminal cases, I think it should be illegal to claim fraud but show zero evidence, CMV. Pretty sure that Microsoft has better lawyers than the feds these days.

I would blame incompetence for them taking 2 years to figure this out, but it’s probably just corruption. Also the timing just before the election makes it even more suspect. Doesn’t change it from being a good thing, but now do the rest of the tech industry.

100%. Oracle, Amazon, Facebook, Google, all of Musk's companies, etc. Selective enforcement is bad, even if if the enforcement of targeted companies is not.

Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 08, 2026 03:59 PM (CX28Y)

102
Somebody is going to sass their way out of a bottle of Buffalo Trace.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:51 PM (DRSnL)

This seems a threat.......a viable threat.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 03:59 PM (ccf/V)

103 Hit IBM next!

Posted by: free at October 08, 2026 03:59 PM (5ohOO)

104 Now, this does increase the costs MSFT and the like are paying but as those on the left always tell us "big corporations can afford to give up some of their earnings"
Posted by: 18-1
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Corporate boards and high level executives have been milking stockholders for decades now by these sorts of stunts that destroy the longterm viability of companies. Private equity has proven to be similarly destructive.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 03:59 PM (E4rtv)

105 (You are the Bacon Wench, correct?)
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 03:55 PM (77rzZ)

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Until they fire me.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:59 PM (DRSnL)

106 Both of us agree this is all lies.

BTW. Any underage girls here want to play with my hard drive ?

Posted by: Bill Gates Moobs at October 08, 2026 04:00 PM (CHst0)

107 Until they fire me.
Posted by: Jordan61

That sounds unlikely. I don't think they can get another Bacon Wench on a H1B.

Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 04:01 PM (77rzZ)

108 Maybe things are different in finance or desktop apps, but in the companies I have worked for the results were very bad.

The lowest performers on any team that I had to lead were foreigners. With that said, they didn't bring their personal problems to the office unlike the domestics who looked for every excuse to call in sick or play ping pong on company time.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 04:02 PM (9Hs2w)

109
Until they fire me.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:59 PM (DRSnL)

This will never happen.

You will retire first.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 04:02 PM (ccf/V)

110 Until they fire me.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:59 PM (DRSnL)

NOBODY fires the bacon wench.

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 04:02 PM (FyeA3)

111 Wait a minute! I've been assured by commenters in these very same comment sections that nothing is happening and nothing is going to happen.

This sounds like something happened.

What gives?

Posted by: Will Robinson at October 08, 2026 04:02 PM (dCMJG)

112 Nobody put the Bacon Wench in the corner.

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 04:03 PM (KC5Lt)

113 {{{Jordan}}}

How are you doing?

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at October 08, 2026 04:03 PM (Y4uRa)

114 A company I worked for had a warehouse in India.

They decided to send one of our advanced machines there and let the Indian team handle setting it up.

They kept giving updates that were good...a little too good.

So the Project Manager asked them, then demanded they, send a picture of the machine in the room setup for them...he got a picture of an empty room.

Now this wasn't them screwing up or stealing...the machine was actually stuck in customs outside of their control. They figured though they would get in trouble if they told the truth so they lied hoping they could keep the PM stalled until they actually got the machine.

This is very much the Indian model of working.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 04:03 PM (sKqQm)

115 This won't make a difference sadly.

Those jobs just go to India.

My company just last month laid off 25% of US based billable employees and 100% of the UK. All positions rehired in Hyperbad India.

Just remember that next time you take a drug... its research is being conducted by Sameet and Prasad.

Posted by: Defenestratus at October 08, 2026 04:03 PM (elEcu)

116 >> NOBODY fires the bacon wench.

The hell you say.

Posted by: Mooselimbs at October 08, 2026 04:04 PM (CHst0)

117 111 Wait a minute! I've been assured by commenters in these very same comment sections that nothing is happening and nothing is going to happen.

This sounds like something happened.

What gives?
Posted by: Will Robinson
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Black pill suppositories ran out I guess.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:04 PM (E4rtv)

118 The Blue Angels just started their practice!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (RIvkX)

119 I was in a restaurant in Jackson, Wyoming where the waitress told me she was on a J-1 from Jamaica.

Jackson is not far from the Wind River Reservation where Shoshone Indians could use some work.

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (GMWTj)

120 >> NOBODY fires the bacon wench.

Wait. Does she have nice cans?

Posted by: Mooselimbs at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (CHst0)

121 Until they fire me.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:59 PM

Fire the Bacon Wench?! What kind of communist bullshit is this?!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (/C5Rl)

122 O/T:

Met with the First Daughter's attorney today. He went to her arraignment and learned the charges, then met with the DA to discuss a plea deal.

They've offered 18 months deferred adjudication, $750 in fines, court costs, 60 hours community service, some class requirements and that stupid ignition blocker in her car (at $300 a MONTH) for 9 months.

He will try to negotiate that down from there.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (ccf/V)

123 targeting MS is a bit rich. I'd bet actual real money that Musk's various companies abuse it far more often and egregiously.

So looking at all the left's comments their argument is "everyone does it and no one should be prosecuted for it except Musk because we don't like him"

Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (sKqQm)

124 Aren't call centers actually in India though? I honestly don't know.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 03:41 PM (DRSnL)

The one my employer set up is actually in India.

*spit

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 08, 2026 04:06 PM (zYpTz)

125 To Indians the truth is a very precious thing.
That's why they use is sparingly.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 08, 2026 04:06 PM (nqf1u)

126 Good. Now let's get Indians and their shitty caste culture and self-dealing out of corporate leadership.

Never fails. One of them gets promoted into a position that really impacts an organization, and within 2-3 years suddenly the entire org is now Pajeets, because they hire their own, who hire their own, who hire their own and they all take bribes and kickbacks.

Don't get me started on the "work" product that's output by these buck-passing shitbirds.

Posted by: ballistic at October 08, 2026 04:06 PM (oqH4h)

127 The Blue Angels just started their practice!
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (RIvkX)

There's a job where you can't just accept 'good enough'

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 04:06 PM (KC5Lt)

128 115 This won't make a difference sadly.

Those jobs just go to India.

My company just last month laid off 25% of US based billable employees and 100% of the UK. All positions rehired in Hyperbad India.

Just remember that next time you take a drug... its research is being conducted by Sameet and Prasad.
Posted by: Defenestratus at October 08, 2026 04:03 PM (elEcu)

But companies who have to keep the employees in those countries and live with the laws in those countries will be leery about choosing to do so. It's all fun and games when you get the law and security and free markets and 1st worldness of US living and US contracts/services...it's not as much when you don't...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (tOcjL)

129 My company just last month laid off 25% of US based billable employees and 100% of the UK. All positions rehired in Hyperbad India.

Just remember that next time you take a drug... its research is being conducted by Sameet and Prasad.
Posted by: Defenestratus

Behold the wonder of tariffs for such ill behavior. India is going to have to develop its own home market, not be a predator of other countries anymore. The anger over this behavior is reaching across continents now in political systems and it is always easier for political systems to react by ending the free ride. Takes a bit because of corporate lobbyist ticks but the tide is running out on globo homo WEF style corporatism.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (E4rtv)

130 Why not make the visa program only applicable when there's a shortage of experienced workers and there's a national need for them?

Rather than a monetary need by the likes of Bill Gates.

I mean, there are potential situations that would necessitate getting qualified workers for something of national interest or security... if none are found here.

And the "none found here" bullshit needs some attention. Federal attention. Maybe.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (RORbl)

131 The Philippines is widely recognized as the world’s largest call center hub, hosting over 1.3 million agents with Manila being the single city with the highest concentration of contact centers globally. India is the second-largest destination

Posted by: Mooselimbs at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (CHst0)

132 He will try to negotiate that down from there.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (ccf/V)

Sounds a bit severe..

Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (+gK6I)

133 He will try to negotiate that down from there.
Posted by: Sponge

And how is First Daughter holding up?

Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (77rzZ)

134 One of the best ways to increase American salaries is to reduce the supply of labor.

Its a lot more complicated than that. For example, during the cheap money low interest days, Big Tech was a casino where for very little money you can do all kinds of stupid things and hire staff at large money. There were many companies that should have never been started because the business model was very pie in the sky. That created an artificial demand for tech talent. Artificial in the sense that after mountains of code were written, the company would fail due to no clients or no real income stream and the investors getting tired of pumping in round after round of money.

So with expensive money, that demand for warm bodies has diminished. The "need" for H1Bs has dropped, but also the demand for workers too.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (a3CJ+)

135 How are you doing?
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at October 08, 2026 04:03 PM (Y4uRa)

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{{SMH!}}

I'm good. Looking forward to next week.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (DRSnL)

136 Must See TV:

SecWar Pete Hegseth just announced the firing squad execution of Fort Hood Islamist terrorist Nidal Hasan will be **PUBLIC**

https://tinyurl.com/muc4c7fn

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at October 08, 2026 04:08 PM (Y4uRa)

137 What is a fireable offense?

Overcrisping?
Failure to drain?
Serving flavored bacon?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2026 04:08 PM (RIvkX)

138 We finally have a right leaning pol that knows how to play the game

Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 03:54 PM (sKqQm)

Best part is they can't leave it unresponded to. Because they don't want him getting his own naked message out. But in doing so they are forced to amplify his message.

And because he called them fake news from the start, and they made it clear they were opposing him from the start, their message is diluted severely.

They lost that air of objectivity that they cultivated for 50 years even through Obama .

And that is how the game is played.

Posted by: ... at October 08, 2026 04:08 PM (IUETd)

139 Wait. Does she have nice cans?
Posted by: Mooselimbs at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (CHst0)

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I had a good plastic surgeon.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 04:08 PM (DRSnL)

140 One of them gets promoted into a position that really impacts an organization, and within 2-3 years suddenly the entire org is now Pajeets, because they hire their own, who hire their own, who hire their own and they all take bribes and kickbacks.
Posted by: ballistic

Which is why disparate impact is such an evil thing. Majority 'minority' firms are never prosecuted for discrimination unless another 'minority' is making claims.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 08, 2026 04:09 PM (nEUC6)

141 At least an Indian software guy can't run me over in his semi like his Indian truck driver brother.

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 04:09 PM (KC5Lt)

142 89 One of the best ways to increase American salaries is to reduce the supply of labor.

Now, this does increase the costs MSFT and the like are paying but as those on the left always tell us "big corporations can afford to give up some of their earnings"
Posted by: 18-1
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There is another side to all this. The reason US costs are high is because of the massive regulatory and tax burden. Someone mentioned FICA above, but there is so much more. I have known tech managers who love H1bs because they can't complain. (the managers say that publicly.) No discrimination, no sexual harassment, no 30 hours of legal fees and 3 months of paper trail to give them a bad review. And they are young, so it lowers insurance costs, etc.

I keep typing and deleting here. We have a work culture problem in US, and I think a lot of that comes from HR and Legal making it hard to fire people for being shit workers. H1bs solve that, but what I am saying is we have two problems.

- Shortage due to low wages, due to h1bs
- bad work culture
- high regulatory and tax burden making wages seem too high to compete.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at October 08, 2026 04:09 PM (QHYvA)

143 I'm good. Looking forward to next week.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (DRSnL)
___

I'll be with y'all in spirit.

Buying a house kinda put the brakes on going to the MoMee this year.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at October 08, 2026 04:09 PM (Y4uRa)

144 124 Aren't call centers actually in India though? I honestly don't know.
Posted by: Jordan61

Some are in the Philippines and at least some used to be in Costa Rica.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:10 PM (E4rtv)

145 To Indians the truth is a very precious thing.
That's why they use is sparingly.

No kidding. Low Trust Society.

I made very good coin doing rescue missions because the off-shored team lied for months on their actual progress - until it was time to deliver and all they had was broken vaporware.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 04:11 PM (a3CJ+)

146 18 OT but I just got tickets to see Trump next Tuesday in Wasilla.
Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:33 PM (FyeA3)

Please tell him I appreciate him immensely and that I'm praying for him, his family, and everyone working to advance his agenda. This is assuming you get within earshot.

Posted by: Emmie at October 08, 2026 04:11 PM (OlzlW)

147 Wonder if Ace has discovered Draco Malfoid yet?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2026 04:11 PM (2GVsD)

148 >>”he’s gonna get a firing squad of soldiers, as it should be”.

Lucky bastards.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 08, 2026 04:11 PM (tykRQ)

149 122 O/T:

Met with the First Daughter's attorney today. He went to her arraignment and learned the charges, then met with the DA to discuss a plea deal.

They've offered 18 months deferred adjudication, $750 in fines, court costs, 60 hours community service, some class requirements and that stupid ignition blocker in her car (at $300 a MONTH) for 9 months.

He will try to negotiate that down from there.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (ccf/V)

I'd almost settle for that, but see if he can lower any part of it. If the DA is firm, take it...but there's probably room for either the fine and/or the ignition blocker to be lowered due to her being personally poor.

Successful delayed adjudication would end up with zero record aka dismissed charges/a lack of conviction - that would be an awesome outcome for her for the long term...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 04:11 PM (tOcjL)

150 141 At least an Indian software guy can't run me over in his semi like his Indian truck driver brother.
Posted by: polynikes

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Yeah, thank god there is no way they will have software controlled trucks, right?

oh shit.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at October 08, 2026 04:12 PM (QHYvA)

151 Next he should look at the two biggest food distributors in America. They've been using this tactic for years now

Posted by: Galactus'StiffenedCock at October 08, 2026 04:12 PM (Q+As3)

152 Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at October 08, 2026 04:09 PM (QHYvA)

Third World immigration is spreading the bad work habits. Pride in one's work is no longer a thing as far as I can see. Remember when your father would tell you if you were going to be a ditch digger be the best damn ditch digger there ever was.

Now they just retort 'sure boomer'

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 04:13 PM (KC5Lt)

153
114 They figured though they would get in trouble if they told the truth so they lied hoping they could keep the PM stalled until they actually got the machine.

This is very much the Indian model of working.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 04:03 PM (sKqQm)
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Bullshitting and buck-passing are the Indian national pastime. You can't get an Indian to fully take responsibility for anything even at gunpoint.
Their entire model is to just delay, obfuscate, pass the buck, blame someone else, and generally waste the time of anyone being critical of their performance until the other party throws up their hands and walks away. It's absolutely maddening.

Posted by: ballistic at October 08, 2026 04:13 PM (oqH4h)

154 OT but I just got tickets to see Trump next Tuesday in Wasilla.
Posted by: tcn in AK at October 08, 2026 03:33 PM (FyeA3)

Wasilla? I wonder if that city's former mayor Sarah Palin will be there.

Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 04:13 PM (77rzZ)

155 Nidal Hasan vs steamroller

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2026 04:13 PM (2GVsD)

156 Buying a house kinda put the brakes on going to the MoMee this year.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at October 08, 2026 04:09 PM (Y4uRa)

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I'll miss you, but that's definitely a good reason to not be there!

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 08, 2026 04:13 PM (DRSnL)

157 147 Wonder if Ace has discovered Draco Malfoid yet?
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Came across my X feed yesterday so probably similar for Ace. Getting leftists up all hot and bothered though about it.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:13 PM (E4rtv)

158 Literally everything the AP writes about this administration the angle is always some variation of "Can you believe what this asshole is doing now?".

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 08, 2026 04:15 PM (6ydKt)

159 ”he’s gonna get a firing squad of soldiers, as it should be”.

Lucky bastards.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 08, 2026 04:11 PM (tykRQ)
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Yep.

One detail I would love to be on.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at October 08, 2026 04:15 PM (Y4uRa)

160 > This is very much the Indian model of working.

Our helpdesk team is in India. They're the team you ping if you need more AI tokens or if you need new access rights. All of their tasks are drop-dead, brain-dead simple.

Every time I need something like that, I ping people in the US who have rights to do things like that, but aren't on those teams. I only put in a helpdesk ticket as a last resort.

Every time I've dealt with helpdesk, it's the same experience. It takes at least two days for them to acknowledge your request. Then they stall at least three days by asking three word questions they could have answered for them if they read the title or description of the request. They "work" when we're asleep, so it's at least a 24 hour turnaround time when they ask stupid things like, "is this for you?" when you're asking for access to a machine.

Something that should take at most two minutes to click a box or run a script takes at least a work week. It's infuriating.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2026 04:15 PM (mkw2N)

161
Sounds a bit severe..
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (+gK6I)

I agree 100%. First offense for a 21 year old college student with no record, good grades and character references out the yingyang.........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 04:16 PM (ccf/V)

162 With that said, they didn't bring their personal problems to the office unlike the domestics who looked for every excuse to call in sick or play ping pong on company time.
Posted by: Community Notes

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This.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at October 08, 2026 04:16 PM (QHYvA)

163 Whig, the memes do flow

Malfoid saying "The only good Communist is a dead Communist."

Malfoid holding up a crucifix and saying "Begone whores, Malfoid is not for you."

And people are commenting that Draco Malfoid makes a far better love partner from a story standpoint for Harry.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2026 04:16 PM (2GVsD)

164 Yeah, thank god there is no way they will have software controlled trucks, right?

oh shit.
Posted by: bob

Elon is leading the way with that tech and from all reports, his autos with FSD pretty much have it nailed. Others will probably have to license it as his competitors don't seem up to Tesla's level right now.

Pretty sure he is testing it along with the Tesla Semi Tractors too for automated driving.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:16 PM (E4rtv)

165 And how is First Daughter holding up?
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (77rzZ)

She's accepting that she did this to herself and has to work through it.

It's tough, but she is getting there.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 04:17 PM (ccf/V)

166 MY daughter got a DUI yes they are expensive Good life lesson

Posted by: doug at October 08, 2026 04:18 PM (B1+sW)

167 163 Whig, the memes do flow

Malfoid saying "The only good Communist is a dead Communist."

Malfoid holding up a crucifix and saying "Begone whores, Malfoid is not for you."

And people are commenting that Draco Malfoid makes a far better love partner from a story standpoint for Harry.
Posted by: Anna Puma

What happens when you demonize a majority culture--they get a vote to fight back. And often that is through reemphasizing historical culture and religion. I agree more with Toynbee that history is cyclical than the insipid Marx about historical determinism and the idiotic right side of history that accompanies it.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:18 PM (E4rtv)

168 And people are commenting that Draco Malfoid makes a far better love partner from a story standpoint for Harry.

How old are they? Are they teens, or children? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: J. Biden at October 08, 2026 04:18 PM (Riz8t)

169 I'd rather human drivers, but if it must be done, I'd rather Elon's robots than dipshits straight in from the Punjab.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 08, 2026 04:18 PM (6ydKt)

170 120 Wait. Does she have nice cans?

*perks up*

Posted by: andy warhol at October 08, 2026 04:19 PM (oY6Yp)

171 Ace is click bait again defending the most impulse US president
Microsoft laid of 6000 employed world wide.
About 2000 were in Washington in Redmond headquarters.
The 2000 laid off were mostly "management" which may or may not be engineers. 50000 work at that ofhice

Posted by: Banned at October 08, 2026 04:19 PM (ubBvx)

172 161
Sounds a bit severe..
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 04:07 PM (+gK6I)

I agree 100%. First offense for a 21 year old college student with no record, good grades and character references out the yingyang.........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at October 08, 2026 04:16 PM (ccf/V)

All true, but you don't want to take this to court b/c she does not want a permanent record.

DAs negotiate less when they know they have someone easily convictable on a charge, so you have to keep that in mind, too.

A good defense lawyer should still get some "compromise" from the DA to get the deal done, but it will be less if the DA knows he/she has a slam dunk case.

Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 04:20 PM (tOcjL)

173 She's accepting that she did this to herself and has to work through it.

It's tough, but she is getting there.
Posted by: Sponge

From what you've told us, she seems genuinely contrite. Maybe if she could write a letter to the DA expressing her contrition, it might help on the legal end, as well as being cathartic for her.

Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 04:20 PM (77rzZ)

174 And what Microsoft gets is a crappier product that drives people to use Linux.
Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 03:41 PM (a3CJ+)

Say what you will about Indian programmers, but they did a heck of a fine job on the programming for the flight management computers that Boeing put into the 737MAX. You know, that computer that the plane needed to handle predictably and offset the effect of having engines that were too big for the airframe.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 08, 2026 04:20 PM (guGkK)

175 It's been going on since at least 2000, when i got involved in it, stupidly working as a hatchet man enabler for Merrill to replace basically all Java dev positions. You havent had a great morning until your on the phone to Chennai India at 0530 giving Java tests to the same guy over and over again while he keeps giving you a different name and you're expected to believe it.

Posted by: front toward enemy at October 08, 2026 04:20 PM (DOIIK)

176 @171
Protip: Learn to speak English before you comment.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 08, 2026 04:21 PM (Riz8t)

177 169 I'd rather human drivers, but if it must be done, I'd rather Elon's robots than dipshits straight in from the Punjab.
Posted by: SpeakingOf

They have brought in illegals to be truck drivers and run shady trucking firms from around the world like Uzbekhistan. I think the Sikhs are prevalent in coming to the US for that purpose, but they are catching illegals and bad drivers from across the US.

And now the corporations hiring these mountebanks are going to pay through the ass in coming lawsuits thanks the Scotus. It will kill the shady brokers first and then the corporate transportation hiring managers which will remove the need for these fly by night truckers and fake trucking diploma mills.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:22 PM (E4rtv)

178 "Hit Disney next."

Prioritize targets according to the number of H1-Bs they have. Hit the biggest ones first; get the biggest bang in the shortest time.

Posted by: gp at October 08, 2026 04:22 PM (Jr5Lq)

179 LOL. One the stupidest things about my worthless lost generation is how every single development about JK Rowling/Harry Potter sends these dumbfucks into a garment-rending, frenzied race to the Left Pole.

We really need a canal for these people to dig.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2026 04:22 PM (BI5O2)

180 Microsoft routinely lays off thousands of employees, numbnuts.

They've been doing it for forty years on a regular pace.
Then they hire more people, and lay them off too once the upper management makes a mistake that they'll then take a decade to rectify.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 08, 2026 04:22 PM (6ydKt)

181 173 She's accepting that she did this to herself and has to work through it.

It's tough, but she is getting there.
Posted by: Sponge

From what you've told us, she seems genuinely contrite. Maybe if she could write a letter to the DA expressing her contrition, it might help on the legal end, as well as being cathartic for her.
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 04:20 PM (77rzZ)

I would not add a written confession to the DA's file...I'd let her defense attorney advise her and do all approaching of the DA (he/she can tell the DA how contrite she is if they want)...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 04:23 PM (tOcjL)

182 127 The Blue Angels just started their practice!
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2026 04:05 PM (RIvkX)

There's a job where you can't just accept 'good enough'
Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 04:06 PM (KC5Lt)
______________________________

Apparently, US Military training flights are using different airspace. I've noticed for the first time plane formations flying over my location in Eastern PA. It's a flight of four Beechcraft Texan II aircraft doing close formation exercises....and a couple of them look a little apprehensive. Still, a nice little show from my patio.

Posted by: Orson at October 08, 2026 04:23 PM (dIske)

183 Posted by: Banned at October 08, 2026 04:19 PM (ubBvx)

Try to keep up idiot. This is about HB1 visas and green cards.

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 04:23 PM (KC5Lt)

184 First duis can be around 15 grand all in. Depending on city.

Posted by: nckate at October 08, 2026 04:23 PM (enNUy)

185 It's not cultural problem at work only.

It's a cultural rot, period.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2026 04:23 PM (RIvkX)

186 173 She's accepting that she did this to herself and has to work through it.

It's tough, but she is getting there.
Posted by: Sponge

From what you've told us, she seems genuinely contrite. Maybe if she could write a letter to the DA expressing her contrition, it might help on the legal end, as well as being cathartic for her.
Posted by: Bulg
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Have her do exactly as the attorney suggests. They know the DA and the traditonal haggle, we don't. If you can dig a copy up, read Bargaining in the Shadow of Law about plea bargaining and how it is conducted. Still relevant today while the book was published in the late 60's.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:24 PM (E4rtv)

187 One of the best ways to increase American salaries is to reduce the supply of labor.
-----

If the average American and two-thirds of Congress had a basic (Economics 101 level) understanding of how supply and demand curves work, all economic policy would be stripped of stupidity, and the only attributes left would be things that work and things that were designed to be grift.

Posted by: Crusader at October 08, 2026 04:24 PM (TN0g+)

188
Third World immigration is spreading the bad work habits. Pride in one's work is no longer a thing as far as I can see.

I was reminded of this last weekend touring museums in Vicksburg, MS. The old court house building is loaded with all kinds of artifacts from around the Democrat's War. The clothes were very finely detailed. The furniture — all of it— is all intricate and detailed. Everything looked like someone spent serious time carving and shaping each piece, including picture frames. The children's tea cups were also very fine, detailed and demonstrated a lot of care in their making.

Now we get IKEA inspired designs or something that looks like it was shaped with a hatchet.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 04:24 PM (nCgQz)

189 > Bullshitting and buck-passing are the Indian national pastime. You can't get an Indian to fully take responsibility for anything even at gunpoint.
Their entire model is to just delay, obfuscate, pass the buck, blame someone else, and generally waste the time of anyone being critical of their performance until the other party throws up their hands and walks away. It's absolutely maddening.

I worked with a software tester who was pretty knowledgeable, but was absolutely devoted to process in everything. If she had her way, 90% of the workday would have been mindlessly filling out documents describing what your were about to do or had done. She usually caught all of the big bugs and was a good resource to ask about nitty gritty details about a functional area. But hoo-boy, every time she missed a big bug, her way to show she really cared was to call for days and days worth of meetings to discuss all of the new processes she wanted to enact to ensure that never happened again. That was her way of "taking responsibility."

Then it was on the rest of us to tell her, "NO!" we're not adding three new daily meetings and seven new mandatory process templates.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 08, 2026 04:24 PM (mkw2N)

190 We really need a canal for these people to dig.

Sacramento to Salt Lake City?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2026 04:25 PM (2GVsD)

191 I would not add a written confession to the DA's file...I'd let her defense attorney advise her and do all approaching of the DA (he/she can tell the DA how contrite she is if they want)...
Posted by: Nova Local

I wasn't advising a direct letter to the DA. Of course, everything should go through her attorney. But yes, on second thought, it should probably not be written.

Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 04:25 PM (77rzZ)

192 Pride in one's work is no longer a thing as far as I can see.

There's a flip side to that as well.
How many people would even know good work if they saw it?

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 08, 2026 04:27 PM (6ydKt)

193 Protip: Learn to speak English before you comment.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 08, 2026 04:21 PM (Riz8t)
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I read it with a heavy Cantonese accent.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2026 04:27 PM (RIvkX)

194 Oh, that's a shame.

Embarrassing blow for Barack Obama as workers at his ‘Death Star’ presidential center are already so fed up they’re leaving in droves… as stern letter is released.

Barack Obama is facing a fresh humiliation at his ‘eyesore’ presidential center with workers slamming the project’s bosses and moving to unionize just months after it opened.

In a letter to colleagues this week, staff at the Chicago library said they were organizing a union due to the institute’s ‘increasing workloads’ and benefit rollbacks.

Workers have grown frustrated with leadership at Obama’s foundation after their concerns were met with ‘vague responses,’ according to the letter, first shared by the Chicago Sun-Times.

https://tinyurl.com/yeyzdssd

Posted by: Archimedes at October 08, 2026 04:28 PM (Riz8t)

195 I've never done criminal work as a paralegal, so my thoughts on criminal cases should be viewed with caution.

Just throwing my two cents in here and there.

Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 04:28 PM (77rzZ)

196 There's a flip side to that as well.
How many people would even know good work if they saw it?
Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 08, 2026 04:27 PM (6ydKt

Have Pulte build a house for you.

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 04:29 PM (KC5Lt)

197 I read it with a heavy Cantonese accent.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

What does the accent of Canton, Ohio sound like?

Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 04:29 PM (77rzZ)

198 180 Microsoft routinely lays off thousands of employees, numbnuts.

They've been doing it for forty years on a regular pace.
Then they hire more people, and lay them off too once the upper management makes a mistake that they'll then take a decade to rectify.
Posted by: SpeakingOf

This was over X box. Microsoft fired a bunch of citizens and then tried to backfill those fired jobs with H1Bs after they put an Indian dot as head of that division.

They and other big firms have been routinely cutting corners on H1B regulations regarding required job searches, etc. because up until now, they got away with it.

Pixy Misa though indicated the coming doom for Microsoft (and Adobe) but not in so many words.

Some folks used AI to reverse engineer Adobe products for photo editing, video editing, art, etc. Furthermore, it did it in Rust making it more resistant to certain hacking tricks. He is using it to create new languages and emulators almost routinely now.

AI removes the need for a lot of proprietary software as you can get the look and feel by having AI write it up for you from the APIs.

Doom is coming for proprietary software companies. ESR is talking about it openly.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:30 PM (E4rtv)

199 *throws a fortune cookie at Bulg*

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2026 04:30 PM (2GVsD)

200 166 MY daughter got a DUI yes they are expensive Good life lesson
Posted by: doug at October 08, 2026 04:18 PM (B1+sW)

My middle nephew got one over 2 years ago when he was 26. Long story short, it ended up saving his life.

Posted by: TxAnn at October 08, 2026 04:30 PM (itAg7)

201 It probably depends a lot less on what your daughter says than on the relationship between your attorney and the hearing officer

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2026 04:30 PM (RIvkX)

202 Have Pulte build a house for you.

One of those Modelo Homes built using Border Brothers Construction.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 04:31 PM (nCgQz)

203 Workers have grown frustrated with leadership at Obama’s foundation after their concerns were met with ‘vague responses,’ according to the letter, first shared by the Chicago Sun-Times.

https://tinyurl.com/yeyzdssd

That's pretty much how he ran the country for eight.... no, twelve years.

Concerns, followed by vague responses (that took about fifteen minutes to give one answer).

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 08, 2026 04:31 PM (6ydKt)

204 *throws a fortune cookie at Bulg*
Posted by: Anna Puma

Thanks. For what?

Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 04:32 PM (77rzZ)

205 NOOD Cornell.

Thank you for your attention to this matter..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at October 08, 2026 04:32 PM (08OqX)

206 195 I've never done criminal work as a paralegal, so my thoughts on criminal cases should be viewed with caution.

Just throwing my two cents in here and there.
Posted by: Bulg
=========
Never make admissions until your attorney tells you to do so is the rule in criminal law. Always let your attorney do any communication because it prevents it from being used against the defendant in court.

Somewhat true in civil as well. People get into trouble all the time by not keeping their mouth shut in legal affairs.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:32 PM (E4rtv)

207 Gaylord's Bathhouse of Solitude is still standing?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2026 04:32 PM (2GVsD)

208 There's a flip side to that as well.
How many people would even know good work if they saw it?
Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 08, 2026 04:27 PM (6ydKt

Have Pulte build a house for you.
Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 04:29 PM (KC5Lt)

That came out opposite from what I intended. People judge good work by not having to deal with absolute crappy work. Building a house today you get crap .

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 04:34 PM (KC5Lt)

209 Doom is coming for proprietary software companies.

There was an interesting article about how Starbucks IT team is saving the organization $150M per year because they were able to write the software that directly compares to Starbucks' workflow thus eliminating the need to lease generic software from Microsoft and IBM that once ran their operations.

The IT team's secret sauce? AI.

Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 04:35 PM (xE0sV)

210
Doom is coming for proprietary software companies. ESR is talking about it openly.

Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 04:30 PM (E4rtv)

I downloaded PhotoContact from pixy's post this a.m.

It is a very good Photoshop clone.
Much, much better than Gimp, and just as free.
It's missing AI features that PShop has but not much else.]

Haven't tried the other apps in their suite but I'm guessing they are just as good.

Adobe is cooked if this takes off.
They'll have to start suing everybody to survive.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 08, 2026 04:36 PM (6ydKt)

211 That came out opposite from what I intended. People judge good work by not having to deal with absolute crappy work. Building a house today you get crap .

Posted by: polynikes at October 08, 2026 04:34 PM (KC5Lt)

You're smart enough and experienced enough to have grown some personal taste.

I don't think a lot of people today recognize quality, especially in the arts, because they're so bombarded with media in all its forms daily.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 08, 2026 04:38 PM (6ydKt)

212 The optics here are

This is a carrot, this is a stick.

Posted by: DaveA at October 08, 2026 04:38 PM (FhXTo)

213 nood cornell girl

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 08, 2026 04:39 PM (6ydKt)

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