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The Morning Rant
In an Oct. 5 post on Truth Social, he said, "What's driving up Gasoline is no longer the Strait of Hormuz, because Record Numbers of Barrels are coming out now on an almost daily basis, but the word, 'Refineries,' where Russia's are being blown up by Ukraine, and where ours are being closed up, in Blue States, like California."
The federal gas tax is 18.4¢/gallon, which yielded about $25 billion in 2025. That's not a small amount of money, but the economic benefit of cheaper gasoline might make up for some of that tax loss. As for the refinery crisis in America? Yes, and we should have been building them for the last 40 years, but thanks to the watermelons in almost every state, and onerous and restrictive federal regulation, building a refinery is a huge undertaking. California has been closing refineries since the 1980s, and America has lost about 10 refineries just this decade! Perhaps President Trump can nationalize the recently closed refineries in California in the interest of national security. And fast-track the expansion of existing refineries and the building of more in red states that are amenable to high-paying jobs. To be fair, American refineries have become more efficient and have expanded production significantly, so the raw number looks worse than it is. But spreading production around the country is a good idea, simply to make sabotage of our refining capacity a more complex operation. And of course the delightful bonus of stick a thumb in the eye of the rabid environmentalist left never gets old! [Crossposted at CutJibNewsletter and X/Twitter]. And if you folks who are on X/Twitter would follow me it would be much appreciated!
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Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM (77rzZ)
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OH
Posted by: Sheila Jackson-Lee's Ghost at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM (rOKnE)
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Perhaps President Trump can nationalize the recently closed refineries in California in the interest of national security. And fast-track the expansion of existing refineries and the building of more in red states that are amenable to high-paying jobs.
"We're better than that!" -Average GOP critter.
"We're better than that!" -Average GOP critter.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM (jjoN6)
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CBD, I've culled the otters.
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM (77rzZ)
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Hola
Posted by: Thanatopsis at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM (hG5L0)
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MUNKEY
MUNKEY
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 08, 2026 11:03 AM (iqcvy)
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>>And of course the delightful bonus of stick a thumb in the eye of the rabid environmentalist left never gets old!
Heh.
Old and busted California candidate: Trump is making CA gas prices go up because reasons!
New Hotness: Trump may eliminate a gas tax, now it's your turn, hon!
Heh.
Old and busted California candidate: Trump is making CA gas prices go up because reasons!
New Hotness: Trump may eliminate a gas tax, now it's your turn, hon!
Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2026 11:03 AM (rOKnE)
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Mad Max.
Posted by: Eromero at October 08, 2026 11:03 AM (5zJcS)
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Nothing stops a big man quicker than a thumb in the eye!
Posted by: Bobby " The Brain" Heenan at October 08, 2026 11:03 AM (EdP2u)
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A reduction in the Federal tax will help, but most of the tax here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia is State tax...seeing gasoline at over $6.50/gal now...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2026 11:03 AM (l3cgK)
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CBD, I've culled the otters.
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM
Don't tell nurse about that.
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM
Don't tell nurse about that.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2026 11:04 AM (/C5Rl)
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Rubio is giving the Mother of All Speeches now in Athens
he's come a long way since the Water Bottle Incident
he's come a long way since the Water Bottle Incident
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 08, 2026 11:05 AM (4OHfz)
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Guv Braun has suspended the Gas Tax in Indiana and extended it a couple of times. $3.60 /gal, give or take.
Posted by: Any better, I'd be twins at October 08, 2026 11:05 AM (2CeDH)
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EV's would solve all that.
Posted by: Leftist with an EV and no sense at October 08, 2026 11:05 AM (RORbl)
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The tax here in Commiefornia is $ 1.24 a gallon
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:06 AM (3eXFR)
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy - 105 years old! Puppy at heart! at October 08, 2026 11:06 AM (Sco7b)
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Perhaps President Trump can nationalize the recently closed refineries in California in the interest of national security. And fast-track the expansion of existing refineries and the building of more in red states that are amenable to high-paying jobs.
"We're better than that!" -Average GOP critter.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM (jjoN6)
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Let me ask Mitch McConnell about that idea.
"We're better than that!" -Average GOP critter.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM (jjoN6)
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Let me ask Mitch McConnell about that idea.
Posted by: John Thune at October 08, 2026 11:06 AM (3ZBdr)
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building a refinery is a huge undertaking
It is, but even worse than that is that its construction spans enough years for a change in the national government. What is OK under the GOP is anathema under the Democrats, especially where Oil & Gas is involved. Ever since that golden-boy light-worker jerked the permit for Dakota Gas, major companies have been damned leery of accumulating hundreds of billions of dollars in sunk costs, only to have their permit jerked on a whim by the Democrat-in-office.
That's what killed the nuclear power industry, and that is what is killing the Oil & Gas industry.
It is, but even worse than that is that its construction spans enough years for a change in the national government. What is OK under the GOP is anathema under the Democrats, especially where Oil & Gas is involved. Ever since that golden-boy light-worker jerked the permit for Dakota Gas, major companies have been damned leery of accumulating hundreds of billions of dollars in sunk costs, only to have their permit jerked on a whim by the Democrat-in-office.
That's what killed the nuclear power industry, and that is what is killing the Oil & Gas industry.
Posted by: NeighSayer at October 08, 2026 11:06 AM (bufu1)
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14 EV's would solve all that.
Posted by: Leftist with an EV and no sense at October 08, 2026 11:05 AM (RORbl)
Especially in the heat and cold. And Kalifornia, where our electric grid can't hardly handle a heat-wave...
Posted by: Leftist with an EV and no sense at October 08, 2026 11:05 AM (RORbl)
Especially in the heat and cold. And Kalifornia, where our electric grid can't hardly handle a heat-wave...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2026 11:06 AM (l3cgK)
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Perhaps President Trump can nationalize the recently closed refineries in California in the interest of national security. And fast-track the expansion of existing refineries and the building of more in red states that are amenable to high-paying jobs.
"We're better than that!" -Average GOP critter.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM (jjoN6)
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But they are dirty things!
"We're better than that!" -Average GOP critter.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2026 11:01 AM (jjoN6)
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But they are dirty things!
Posted by: Thumb Tillis at October 08, 2026 11:06 AM (3ZBdr)
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Gas prices here in my neck of SE KS have been a yo-yo recently, with increases and decreases of up to 30-40 cents.
Nice to see Trump make that suggestion. I don't recall him saying that before, though I may have just missed it.
I can't recall hearing any Dem suggest it, or suggesting that any state suspend its own gas tax even temporarily. So much for their concerns about affordability.
Nice to see Trump make that suggestion. I don't recall him saying that before, though I may have just missed it.
I can't recall hearing any Dem suggest it, or suggesting that any state suspend its own gas tax even temporarily. So much for their concerns about affordability.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 08, 2026 11:07 AM (q3u5l)
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If it’s just blue states closing refineries why haven’t red states picked up the slack? You’d think Texas and Louisiana would be building them as fast as they can to make up for capacity shut down in California.
I get it takes some time to build refineries. But California has been shutting them down for years.
I get it takes some time to build refineries. But California has been shutting them down for years.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:08 AM (T+9ay)
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CBD: Offering the slick musings of a refined simian to a barrel full of crude grease monkeys. A bit too oily in the moining for my preferences, but hey...
Posted by: muldoon, they're my dad's jokes, don't blame me! at October 08, 2026 11:09 AM (I0N4X)
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That's what killed the nuclear power industry, and that is what is killing the Oil & Gas industry.
Posted by: NeighSayer at October 08, 2026 11:06 AM
And America, just as they planned.
Posted by: NeighSayer at October 08, 2026 11:06 AM
And America, just as they planned.
Posted by: Eromero at October 08, 2026 11:09 AM (5zJcS)
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How many decades does one think it'd take to build a new, modern refinery today? State of the art.
It'd likely have to be under a (R) administration or several to even approach completion.
It'd likely have to be under a (R) administration or several to even approach completion.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2026 11:09 AM (RORbl)
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Let me ask Mitch McConnell about that idea.
Posted by: John Thune
I recommend against speaking to the dead.
Posted by: John Thune
I recommend against speaking to the dead.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2026 11:09 AM (jjoN6)
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>>> 22 If it’s just blue states closing refineries why haven’t red states picked up the slack? You’d think Texas and Louisiana would be building them as fast as they can to make up for capacity shut down in California.
I get it takes some time to build refineries. But California has been shutting them down for years.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:08 AM (T+9ay)
Because the shitstain commies created the EPA, like so many other feralgov agencies, to prevent states from acting independently of one another.
I get it takes some time to build refineries. But California has been shutting them down for years.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:08 AM (T+9ay)
Because the shitstain commies created the EPA, like so many other feralgov agencies, to prevent states from acting independently of one another.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 08, 2026 11:10 AM (3mtzY)
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And refineries have suffered some fires of mysterious origin in recent years, closing even more capacity.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 08, 2026 11:10 AM (3ZBdr)
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>>> 28 And refineries have suffered some fires of mysterious origin in recent years, closing even more capacity.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 08, 2026 11:10 AM (3ZBdr)
Coincidence!!!
Like so many other things in recent years...
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 08, 2026 11:10 AM (3ZBdr)
Coincidence!!!
Like so many other things in recent years...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 08, 2026 11:10 AM (3mtzY)
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Average car is driven 12K miles a year and average mpg is 25. Which means the average driver spends less than $100 a year in federal gas tax.
All else being equal sure I’d rather not give that $100 to the govt. But it’s a drop in the bucket in the overall scheme of things.
All else being equal sure I’d rather not give that $100 to the govt. But it’s a drop in the bucket in the overall scheme of things.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:11 AM (T+9ay)
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Trump Says He Is Considering Suspending Federal Gas Tax
Lord, I hate this sort of pandering. Either do it or don't. Stop telegraphing your punches. And who's to guarantee that the next Dem administration won't just reverse the suspension? Or, more likely, a judge will rule Trump has no authority to suspend the tax and he'll back down, just as he did with pulling the MFM passes.
I hate sales tax or gas tax "holidays." It reinforces the idea that the State has the right to decide how much of your money it will allow you to keep. And it begs the question: if you can afford to give me a tax holiday, why can't you afford to eliminate the tax completely?
More bukakke theater for the rubes.
Lord, I hate this sort of pandering. Either do it or don't. Stop telegraphing your punches. And who's to guarantee that the next Dem administration won't just reverse the suspension? Or, more likely, a judge will rule Trump has no authority to suspend the tax and he'll back down, just as he did with pulling the MFM passes.
I hate sales tax or gas tax "holidays." It reinforces the idea that the State has the right to decide how much of your money it will allow you to keep. And it begs the question: if you can afford to give me a tax holiday, why can't you afford to eliminate the tax completely?
More bukakke theater for the rubes.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 08, 2026 11:11 AM (qRla/)
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Refineries must, of necessity, be built close to their major market. They have one major input, crude oil, which can be conveniently delivered by pipeline. But their output is a wide range of motor fuel, aviation fuels, and lubricants, which mostly get get trucked or railed to their users.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:12 AM (quk5M)
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23 CBD: Offering the slick musings of a refined simian to a barrel full of crude grease monkeys. A bit too oily in the moining for my preferences, but hey...
Posted by: muldoon
I take your comment literally, and personally.
Posted by: muldoon
I take your comment literally, and personally.
Posted by: Crude Monkey With Grease Coating at October 08, 2026 11:13 AM (EdP2u)
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22 If it’s just blue states closing refineries why haven’t red states picked up the slack? You’d think Texas and Louisiana would be building them as fast as they can to make up for capacity shut down in California.
I get it takes some time to build refineries. But California has been shutting them down for years.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez
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Manufacturing a commodity is a low profit rate business is why. For the most part, the US does not export fuel (and until Trump and fracking, we did not export LNG or oil either. So producing for the domestic market is a competitive exercise that yields a low profit rate versus finding and exploiting new oilfields, investments into other fuels, etc. So investment always goes to whatever the CEO, board, and stockholders think is going to be the next big thing yielding above normal profit rates than mundane crap. Same reason power companies don't spend a lot investing in electrical network improvements, gas companies on building new pipelines, etc.
Low margin business that is only competitive with other investment choices when interest rates are rock bottom.
That is why Trump wants US interest rates down in part.
I get it takes some time to build refineries. But California has been shutting them down for years.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez
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Manufacturing a commodity is a low profit rate business is why. For the most part, the US does not export fuel (and until Trump and fracking, we did not export LNG or oil either. So producing for the domestic market is a competitive exercise that yields a low profit rate versus finding and exploiting new oilfields, investments into other fuels, etc. So investment always goes to whatever the CEO, board, and stockholders think is going to be the next big thing yielding above normal profit rates than mundane crap. Same reason power companies don't spend a lot investing in electrical network improvements, gas companies on building new pipelines, etc.
Low margin business that is only competitive with other investment choices when interest rates are rock bottom.
That is why Trump wants US interest rates down in part.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:13 AM (E4rtv)
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30 Average car is driven 12K miles a year and average mpg is 25. Which means the average driver spends less than $100 a year in federal gas tax.
All else being equal sure I’d rather not give that $100 to the govt. But it’s a drop in the bucket in the overall scheme of things.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:11 AM (T+9ay)
Then there can be no objection to doing this very minor thing.
All else being equal sure I’d rather not give that $100 to the govt. But it’s a drop in the bucket in the overall scheme of things.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:11 AM (T+9ay)
Then there can be no objection to doing this very minor thing.
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket at October 08, 2026 11:13 AM (RaFl0)
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I buy my lubricants by the quart can.
Posted by: Asstroglide Pete at October 08, 2026 11:15 AM (EdP2u)
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Kalifornia: 63.4¢/gal starting July 1, 2026 is State excise...the 18.4¢/gal Fed excise is not a huge part of the total tax...and the tax isn't even a huge part of the total cost of gas here.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2026 11:15 AM (l3cgK)
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Because the shitstain commies created the EPA, like so many other feralgov agencies, to prevent states from acting independently of one another.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 08, 2026 11:10 AM (3mtzY)
That was Nixon.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 08, 2026 11:10 AM (3mtzY)
That was Nixon.
Posted by: 88C+u at October 08, 2026 11:15 AM (sDWtc)
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36 I buy my lubricants by the quart can.
Posted by: Asstroglide Pete at October 08, 2026 11:15 AM (EdP2u)
Oil, baby, baby oil!
Posted by: Asstroglide Pete at October 08, 2026 11:15 AM (EdP2u)
Oil, baby, baby oil!
Posted by: P. Diddy at October 08, 2026 11:15 AM (l3cgK)
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>>> 34
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Manufacturing a commodity is a low profit rate business is why. For the most part, the US does not export fuel (and until Trump and fracking, we did not export LNG or oil either. So producing for the domestic market is a competitive exercise that yields a low profit rate versus finding and exploiting new oilfields, investments into other fuels, etc. So investment always goes to whatever the CEO, board, and stockholders think is going to be the next big thing yielding above normal profit rates than mundane crap. Same reason power companies don't spend a lot investing in electrical network improvements, gas companies on building new pipelines, etc.
Low margin business that is only competitive with other investment choices when interest rates are rock bottom.
That is why Trump wants US interest rates down in part.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:13 AM (E4rtv)
How do these fcking retards think they're going to sell a product they can't produce?
... oh right, MBAs.
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Manufacturing a commodity is a low profit rate business is why. For the most part, the US does not export fuel (and until Trump and fracking, we did not export LNG or oil either. So producing for the domestic market is a competitive exercise that yields a low profit rate versus finding and exploiting new oilfields, investments into other fuels, etc. So investment always goes to whatever the CEO, board, and stockholders think is going to be the next big thing yielding above normal profit rates than mundane crap. Same reason power companies don't spend a lot investing in electrical network improvements, gas companies on building new pipelines, etc.
Low margin business that is only competitive with other investment choices when interest rates are rock bottom.
That is why Trump wants US interest rates down in part.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:13 AM (E4rtv)
How do these fcking retards think they're going to sell a product they can't produce?
... oh right, MBAs.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 08, 2026 11:16 AM (3mtzY)
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There is no need to build refineries....there are more than enough mothballed facilities already sitting on the ground if there was will and money to restart them.
Posted by: daggit at October 08, 2026 11:16 AM (k0lwl)
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Let me ask Mitch McConnell about that idea.
Posted by: John Thune at October 08, 2026 11:06 AM (3ZBdr)
Get in line, homo.
Posted by: John Thune at October 08, 2026 11:06 AM (3ZBdr)
Get in line, homo.
Posted by: Thom Tillis at October 08, 2026 11:18 AM (sDWtc)
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Lord, I hate this sort of pandering. Either do it or don't. Stop telegraphing your punches. And who's to guarantee that the next Dem administration won't just reverse the suspension? Or, more likely, a judge will rule Trump has no authority to suspend the tax and he'll back down, just as he did with pulling the MFM passes.
I hate sales tax or gas tax "holidays." It reinforces the idea that the State has the right to decide how much of your money it will allow you to keep. And it begs the question: if you can afford to give me a tax holiday, why can't you afford to eliminate the tax completely?
More bukakke theater for the rubes.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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Black and white fallacy does not make for good politics which is why libertarians get their ass handed to them in elections. Some people, particularly those in driving type jobs, are hurting from high fuel prices, so any amelioration of their pain makes them more favorable to retaining GOP in office. And these are generally the productive sort, not the layabouts.
Politics is as much about emotion as it is about logic and deduction.
I hate sales tax or gas tax "holidays." It reinforces the idea that the State has the right to decide how much of your money it will allow you to keep. And it begs the question: if you can afford to give me a tax holiday, why can't you afford to eliminate the tax completely?
More bukakke theater for the rubes.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
=======
Black and white fallacy does not make for good politics which is why libertarians get their ass handed to them in elections. Some people, particularly those in driving type jobs, are hurting from high fuel prices, so any amelioration of their pain makes them more favorable to retaining GOP in office. And these are generally the productive sort, not the layabouts.
Politics is as much about emotion as it is about logic and deduction.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:18 AM (E4rtv)
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Part of the problem with building new refineries, or even keeping old ones operational, is the massive size of these things. I don't think people realize how big a refinery is.
There's one in NJ that's not even a big one relatively speaking, but it covers almost 1500 acres. That's about 1,200 football fields.
These are yuge complexes that cost billions to develop and probably decades to complete.
There's one in NJ that's not even a big one relatively speaking, but it covers almost 1500 acres. That's about 1,200 football fields.
These are yuge complexes that cost billions to develop and probably decades to complete.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 08, 2026 11:18 AM (iFTx/)
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But their output is a wide range of motor fuel, aviation fuels, and lubricants, which mostly get get trucked or railed to their users.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:12 AM (quk5M)
Also, I believe, sulfur for sulfuric acid.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:12 AM (quk5M)
Also, I believe, sulfur for sulfuric acid.
Posted by: 88C+u at October 08, 2026 11:19 AM (sDWtc)
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41 There is no need to build refineries....there are more than enough mothballed facilities already sitting on the ground if there was will and money to restart them.
Posted by: daggit
Don't want those facilities in my neighborhood. Hate the smell of mothballs.
Posted by: daggit
Don't want those facilities in my neighborhood. Hate the smell of mothballs.
Posted by: Charles Camphor, Esq. at October 08, 2026 11:19 AM (EdP2u)
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>>Politics is as much about emotion as it is about logic and deduction.
The entire Democrat Party is built on emotion.
The entire Democrat Party is built on emotion.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:19 AM (viF8m)
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The gas tax was last updated in 1993. Adjusted for inflation18 cents then would be 45-50 cents today, depending on what measure of inflation is used.
So really we’ve had a yuuuge gas tax cut over the last 33 years keeping it at a constant amount.
So really we’ve had a yuuuge gas tax cut over the last 33 years keeping it at a constant amount.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:20 AM (T+9ay)
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Talarico in rehab? Ducking an October surprise attack? Rumors are swirling.
Talarico in rehab? Ducking an October surprise attack? Rumors are swirling.
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 08, 2026 11:20 AM (OkYzo)
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>>> 38 Because the shitstain commies created the EPA, like so many other feralgov agencies, to prevent states from acting independently of one another.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 08, 2026 11:10 AM (3mtzY)
That was Nixon.
Posted by: 88C+u at October 08, 2026 11:15 AM (sDWtc)
So? Dipshit should have vetoed it (or never raised the idea, or claimed credit, whatever it was). Which group of *voters*, his or McGovern's, were more excited about this, and OSHA and #)%(&*^#* price controls? Are normal people or commies more supportive of it now?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 08, 2026 11:10 AM (3mtzY)
That was Nixon.
Posted by: 88C+u at October 08, 2026 11:15 AM (sDWtc)
So? Dipshit should have vetoed it (or never raised the idea, or claimed credit, whatever it was). Which group of *voters*, his or McGovern's, were more excited about this, and OSHA and #)%(&*^#* price controls? Are normal people or commies more supportive of it now?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 08, 2026 11:20 AM (3mtzY)
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Mama Hated Diesels, So Bad.
Posted by: Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen at October 08, 2026 11:21 AM (EdP2u)
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Walking back or outright eliminating some of the stupid mandated alterations to basic motor fuel would lower costs, and permit some of the mothballed refineries to reopen, too. Shitcan the "ultra-low sulfur" Diesel requirement, for one. And the oxygenate requirement for gasoline. Stick with the "no lead" requirement, because preserves the catalytic converters that make the oxygenate requirement unnecessary.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:21 AM (quk5M)
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The entire Democrat Party is built on emotion.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:19 AM
The party of angry white women/wine moms.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:19 AM
The party of angry white women/wine moms.
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 08, 2026 11:22 AM (OkYzo)
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And refineries have suffered some fires of mysterious origin in recent years, closing even more capacity.
To be fair, a lot of them have been traced to genuine fuckups too. The US Chemical Safety Board has a YouTube channel where they post extremely detailed computer-animated recreations of industrial-scale stupidity. One of the better uses of our tax money.
To be fair, a lot of them have been traced to genuine fuckups too. The US Chemical Safety Board has a YouTube channel where they post extremely detailed computer-animated recreations of industrial-scale stupidity. One of the better uses of our tax money.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 08, 2026 11:22 AM (2ocoG)
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How do these fcking retards think they're going to sell a product they can't produce?
... oh right, MBAs.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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Oil is a global market now that US oil can be sold abroad again. Fuel is not currently.
But it is consistent that investment money (which is discretionary spending) will go to what the mgmt/owners/etc think will bring the highest yield. Or in bad times, not be invested at all. Contra Keynes, it is investment increase or lack thereof that drives business cycles--not consumers or government.
And that is also why during Dem administrations, they shut down facilities like in CA that are running at a loss currently. You can only run a factory at a loss for so long before you close it. Future CA environmental laws kicking in made it almost impossible to run a refinery in CA so the companies figured you cannot fight City Hall and folded.
... oh right, MBAs.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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Oil is a global market now that US oil can be sold abroad again. Fuel is not currently.
But it is consistent that investment money (which is discretionary spending) will go to what the mgmt/owners/etc think will bring the highest yield. Or in bad times, not be invested at all. Contra Keynes, it is investment increase or lack thereof that drives business cycles--not consumers or government.
And that is also why during Dem administrations, they shut down facilities like in CA that are running at a loss currently. You can only run a factory at a loss for so long before you close it. Future CA environmental laws kicking in made it almost impossible to run a refinery in CA so the companies figured you cannot fight City Hall and folded.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:22 AM (E4rtv)
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49
Talarico in rehab? Ducking an October surprise attack? Rumors are swirling.
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 08, 2026 11:20 AM (OkYzo)
Rehab for him would involve the Texas Civil Commitment Center.
Talarico in rehab? Ducking an October surprise attack? Rumors are swirling.
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 08, 2026 11:20 AM (OkYzo)
Rehab for him would involve the Texas Civil Commitment Center.
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket at October 08, 2026 11:23 AM (RaFl0)
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>>> 54 And refineries have suffered some fires of mysterious origin in recent years, closing even more capacity.
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To be fair, a lot of them have been traced to genuine fuckups too. The US Chemical Safety Board has a YouTube channel where they post extremely detailed computer-animated recreations of industrial-scale stupidity. One of the better uses of our tax money.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 08, 2026 11:22 AM (2ocoG)
An increasing number of genuine fuckups is a sign of other problems, such as lowering standards for various reasons (not just DIE, but avoidance of hurting fee-fees and such like).
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To be fair, a lot of them have been traced to genuine fuckups too. The US Chemical Safety Board has a YouTube channel where they post extremely detailed computer-animated recreations of industrial-scale stupidity. One of the better uses of our tax money.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 08, 2026 11:22 AM (2ocoG)
An increasing number of genuine fuckups is a sign of other problems, such as lowering standards for various reasons (not just DIE, but avoidance of hurting fee-fees and such like).
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (3mtzY)
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There are only 128 refineries in the US....supply side ecoonomics would tell you that even if there was a total abundance of oil, the refinery bottleneck would keep prices high.
Build nuclear. Build refineries.
Build nuclear. Build refineries.
Posted by: Jeff Carter at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (amOjK)
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Maybe Talarico got the Russian plague.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (T+9ay)
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Also, I believe, sulfur for sulfuric acid.
Posted by: 88C+u at October 08, 2026 11:19 AM (sDWtc)
Mostly stripped out of "sour" natural gas. I remember seeing huge bricks of sulfur adjacent to gas plants in Alberta. Imagine an entire low-rise shopping mall made of solid sulfur. Like that. All been sold off, now.
Posted by: 88C+u at October 08, 2026 11:19 AM (sDWtc)
Mostly stripped out of "sour" natural gas. I remember seeing huge bricks of sulfur adjacent to gas plants in Alberta. Imagine an entire low-rise shopping mall made of solid sulfur. Like that. All been sold off, now.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (quk5M)
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Talarico in rehab? Ducking an October surprise attack? Rumors are swirling.
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 08, 2026 11:20 AM
Coke-fueled orgy on Fire Island? Just asking questions, people.
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 08, 2026 11:20 AM
Coke-fueled orgy on Fire Island? Just asking questions, people.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (/C5Rl)
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And so it begins.
Posted by: That guy who always thinks it's beginning at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (amcLV)
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>>The party of angry white women/wine moms.
I'm expecting many shrieking articles from angry white women after the Trump administration announced today they are going after people who for years have been discriminating not just American workers but white male Americans in particular.
I'm expecting many shrieking articles from angry white women after the Trump administration announced today they are going after people who for years have been discriminating not just American workers but white male Americans in particular.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:26 AM (viF8m)
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The incentives aren’t there to open refineries. The energy companies have been under attack by Democrats. By the time those new refineries open a lot of the companies theorize that Democrats will make an already thin margin, a loss.
They’ve said this many times. But vote for Democrats, you guys.
BTW, Do the math. Even is the raw material (bbl) is $90, that’s only $2.14 a gallon for the raw material (standard 42 gallons bbl). The current average gas price is $4.35.
They’ve said this many times. But vote for Democrats, you guys.
BTW, Do the math. Even is the raw material (bbl) is $90, that’s only $2.14 a gallon for the raw material (standard 42 gallons bbl). The current average gas price is $4.35.
Posted by: Vengeance at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (nILj/)
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59 Maybe Talarico got the Russian plague.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (T+9ay)
His campaign said he had the flu and had to go to ER but is fine and raring to go with those debates.. The ones on CNN, MSNBC they arranged... I made that part up but they did say they agreed to 5 and Paxton said no...
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (T+9ay)
His campaign said he had the flu and had to go to ER but is fine and raring to go with those debates.. The ones on CNN, MSNBC they arranged... I made that part up but they did say they agreed to 5 and Paxton said no...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (TeC7T)
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44 Part of the problem with building new refineries, or even keeping old ones operational, is the massive size of these things. I don't think people realize how big a refinery is.
There's one in NJ that's not even a big one relatively speaking, but it covers almost 1500 acres. That's about 1,200 football fields.
These are yuge complexes that cost billions to develop and probably decades to complete.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 08, 2026 11:18 AM (iFTx/)
So, they are like data centers...
There's one in NJ that's not even a big one relatively speaking, but it covers almost 1500 acres. That's about 1,200 football fields.
These are yuge complexes that cost billions to develop and probably decades to complete.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 08, 2026 11:18 AM (iFTx/)
So, they are like data centers...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (tOcjL)
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>>> 63 The party of angry white women/wine moms.
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I'm expecting many shrieking articles from angry white women after the Trump administration announced today they are going after people who for years have been discriminating not just American workers but white male Americans in particular.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:26 AM (viF8m)
Which I'm sure the sooper genius HR bints and friends *bragged* about, in emails to one another.
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I'm expecting many shrieking articles from angry white women after the Trump administration announced today they are going after people who for years have been discriminating not just American workers but white male Americans in particular.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:26 AM (viF8m)
Which I'm sure the sooper genius HR bints and friends *bragged* about, in emails to one another.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (3mtzY)
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entire Democrat Party is built on emotion.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:19 AM
The party of angry white women/wine moms.
Posted by: Frank Barone
How dare you exclude us H8er?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:19 AM
The party of angry white women/wine moms.
Posted by: Frank Barone
How dare you exclude us H8er?
Posted by: LBGTQQQ+++ at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (T+9ay)
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If it’s just blue states closing refineries why haven’t red states picked up the slack? You’d think Texas and Louisiana would be building them as fast as they can to make up for capacity shut down in California
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Both TX and LA are still loaded with "not until I wet my beak" Republicans and RINOs.
I mean, Cornyn and Cassidy weren't the choice of conservatives, they were the choice of the Party.
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Both TX and LA are still loaded with "not until I wet my beak" Republicans and RINOs.
I mean, Cornyn and Cassidy weren't the choice of conservatives, they were the choice of the Party.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 08, 2026 11:28 AM (3cUTc)
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Mama Hated Diesels, So Bad.
Posted by: Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen
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And your daddy hated that hot rod Lincoln.
Posted by: Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen
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And your daddy hated that hot rod Lincoln.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 08, 2026 11:28 AM (JzUSu)
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52 Walking back or outright eliminating some of the stupid mandated alterations to basic motor fuel would lower costs, and permit some of the mothballed refineries to reopen, too. Shitcan the "ultra-low sulfur" Diesel requirement, for one. And the oxygenate requirement for gasoline. Stick with the "no lead" requirement, because preserves the catalytic converters that make the oxygenate requirement unnecessary.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
From my understanding--oxygenates in fuel stem not from need but from the archaic in tech terms, Clean Air Act of early 1990's. OBD-II computers basically obliterated the need for it due to a better ability to adjust fuel intake for different temperatures to prevent smog and other nasty byproducts.
MTBE was the original oxygenate used until we found it was leaking into water supplies with ill effects and then they started on our current ethanol crap which persists due to corn farmers and at the time, nat sec ideas when we imported oil from abroad of keeping a domestic source of energy. Not really needed now by my understanding.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
From my understanding--oxygenates in fuel stem not from need but from the archaic in tech terms, Clean Air Act of early 1990's. OBD-II computers basically obliterated the need for it due to a better ability to adjust fuel intake for different temperatures to prevent smog and other nasty byproducts.
MTBE was the original oxygenate used until we found it was leaking into water supplies with ill effects and then they started on our current ethanol crap which persists due to corn farmers and at the time, nat sec ideas when we imported oil from abroad of keeping a domestic source of energy. Not really needed now by my understanding.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:29 AM (E4rtv)
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I'm expecting many shrieking articles from angry white women after the Trump administration announced today they are going after people who for years have been discriminating not just American workers but white male Americans in particular.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:26 AM (viF8m)
Does this mean my local Post Office staff will no longer look like a Star Wars Fag Cantina during happy hour?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:26 AM (viF8m)
Does this mean my local Post Office staff will no longer look like a Star Wars Fag Cantina during happy hour?
Posted by: Jar Jar Binks at October 08, 2026 11:29 AM (pa/M5)
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“ they are going after people who for years have been discriminating not just American workers but white male Americans in particular.”
So basically every single corporation with an HR department in the country?
So basically every single corporation with an HR department in the country?
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:30 AM (T+9ay)
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Perhaps President Trump can nationalize the recently closed refineries in California in the interest of national security. And fast-track the expansion of existing refineries and the building of more in red states that are amenable to high-paying jobs.
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and then give every tax paying citizen a share!
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and then give every tax paying citizen a share!
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:31 AM (AKptf)
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>>Which I'm sure the sooper genius HR bints and friends *bragged* about, in emails to one another.
I have no doubt that years of being able to legally discriminate against white men is how we ended in a place where liberal white women are elevating Clancy to martyr status. Every problem in their lives is somehow the fault of evil white men.
I have no doubt that years of being able to legally discriminate against white men is how we ended in a place where liberal white women are elevating Clancy to martyr status. Every problem in their lives is somehow the fault of evil white men.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:31 AM (viF8m)
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65 59 Maybe Talarico got the Russian plague.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (T+9ay)
His campaign said he had the flu and had to go to ER but is fine and raring to go with those debates.. The ones on CNN, MSNBC they arranged... I made that part up but they did say they agreed to 5 and Paxton said no...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (TeC7T)
You know who gets "the flu"?
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (T+9ay)
His campaign said he had the flu and had to go to ER but is fine and raring to go with those debates.. The ones on CNN, MSNBC they arranged... I made that part up but they did say they agreed to 5 and Paxton said no...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (TeC7T)
You know who gets "the flu"?
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket at October 08, 2026 11:31 AM (RaFl0)
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Sure.
Nationalize all blue State refineries. Then, break ground on as many and more in red States.
Then shut down all the nationalized Blue state refineries and harvest them for parts and personnel at the new facilities.
Like the Soviets did to East Germany.
I also suggest blowing up the Hoover dam to further starve the West Coast of water and power.
Nationalize all blue State refineries. Then, break ground on as many and more in red States.
Then shut down all the nationalized Blue state refineries and harvest them for parts and personnel at the new facilities.
Like the Soviets did to East Germany.
I also suggest blowing up the Hoover dam to further starve the West Coast of water and power.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2026 11:31 AM (BI5O2)
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73 “ they are going after people who for years have been discriminating not just American workers but white male Americans in particular.”
So basically every single corporation with an HR department in the country?
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:30 AM (T+9ay)
I was wondering why NCIS replaced a long time black actor with a long time returning white actor...and then launched their NY show with 4 definite white people, 1 maybe white person (never know if they gets points b/c someone is 1/4 something) and LL Cool J as the lone black actor...
So basically every single corporation with an HR department in the country?
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:30 AM (T+9ay)
I was wondering why NCIS replaced a long time black actor with a long time returning white actor...and then launched their NY show with 4 definite white people, 1 maybe white person (never know if they gets points b/c someone is 1/4 something) and LL Cool J as the lone black actor...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 11:32 AM (tOcjL)
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You’d think Texas and Louisiana would be building them as fast as they can to make up for capacity shut down in California.
I get it takes some time to build refineries. But California has been shutting them down for years.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:08 AM (T+9ay)
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Oil companies are understandably leery of tying up enormous amounts of capital for a commodity production subject to regulatory whims. Much easier to debottleneck existing plants.
You’d think Texas and Louisiana would be building them as fast as they can to make up for capacity shut down in California.
I get it takes some time to build refineries. But California has been shutting them down for years.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:08 AM (T+9ay)
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Oil companies are understandably leery of tying up enormous amounts of capital for a commodity production subject to regulatory whims. Much easier to debottleneck existing plants.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 08, 2026 11:32 AM (eRlcH)
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Nice. From zerohedge. Most of my coworkers in Ohio were from India. In retrospect, those should have been Americans.
First, US Vice President JD Vance said on Thursday that the federal government is suspending tech giant Microsoft from a program to apply for green cards for workers who come to the U.S. to live and work using an H-1B visa as it accuses the company of fraud.
“If you do the math, for every worker that Microsoft laid off, they replaced that worker with one and a half foreign indentured servants,” said Vice President JD Vance in a White House news conference announcing the decision.
Secretary of Labor Keith Sonderling added that some of the largest IT firms in the world would also be suspended from that program, including Cognizant, Infosys, Tata, Wipro, HCO and Capgemini, as well as Adobe.
Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
First, US Vice President JD Vance said on Thursday that the federal government is suspending tech giant Microsoft from a program to apply for green cards for workers who come to the U.S. to live and work using an H-1B visa as it accuses the company of fraud.
“If you do the math, for every worker that Microsoft laid off, they replaced that worker with one and a half foreign indentured servants,” said Vice President JD Vance in a White House news conference announcing the decision.
Secretary of Labor Keith Sonderling added that some of the largest IT firms in the world would also be suspended from that program, including Cognizant, Infosys, Tata, Wipro, HCO and Capgemini, as well as Adobe.
Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy - 105 years old! Puppy at heart! at October 08, 2026 11:32 AM (Sco7b)
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DEI retardation came in with hussein oblama
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:32 AM (AKptf)
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76 65 59 Maybe Talarico got the Russian plague.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (T+9ay)
His campaign said he had the flu and had to go to ER but is fine and raring to go with those debates.. The ones on CNN, MSNBC they arranged... I made that part up but they did say they agreed to 5 and Paxton said no...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (TeC7T)
You know who gets "the flu"?
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket at October 08, 2026 11:31 AM (RaFl0)
Awfully early in the season for flu...and awfully long for a relatively healthy young male to be down with it...
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:25 AM (T+9ay)
His campaign said he had the flu and had to go to ER but is fine and raring to go with those debates.. The ones on CNN, MSNBC they arranged... I made that part up but they did say they agreed to 5 and Paxton said no...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (TeC7T)
You know who gets "the flu"?
Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket at October 08, 2026 11:31 AM (RaFl0)
Awfully early in the season for flu...and awfully long for a relatively healthy young male to be down with it...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 11:33 AM (tOcjL)
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Only way for a straight white male to get ahead is to start a business. In corporate America there is no future.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:33 AM (T+9ay)
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Currently, my two favorite copes from the left are:
"well, our voters are going to show up on Election Day. Trump's threats to use the USPS scared them away from early voting and voting by mail."
and
"well, the reason pollsters are having such a difficult time reaching conservative and rural voters is because they're not planning on voting. so the polls are actually accurate."
"well, our voters are going to show up on Election Day. Trump's threats to use the USPS scared them away from early voting and voting by mail."
and
"well, the reason pollsters are having such a difficult time reaching conservative and rural voters is because they're not planning on voting. so the polls are actually accurate."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 08, 2026 11:34 AM (3cUTc)
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Part of the problem with building new refineries, or even keeping old ones operational, is the massive size of these things. I don't think people realize how big a refinery is.
There's one in NJ that's not even a big one relatively speaking, but it covers almost 1500 acres. That's about 1,200 football fields.
These are yuge complexes that cost billions to develop and probably decades to complete.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 08, 2026 11:18 AM (iFTx/)
So, they are like data centers...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (tOcjL)
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Significantly larger than most existing datacenters, although the newest "super" AI datacenters (mostly those in proposed staged only) are bigger.
There's one in NJ that's not even a big one relatively speaking, but it covers almost 1500 acres. That's about 1,200 football fields.
These are yuge complexes that cost billions to develop and probably decades to complete.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 08, 2026 11:18 AM (iFTx/)
So, they are like data centers...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 11:27 AM (tOcjL)
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Significantly larger than most existing datacenters, although the newest "super" AI datacenters (mostly those in proposed staged only) are bigger.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 08, 2026 11:34 AM (iFTx/)
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MTBE was the original oxygenate used until we found it was leaking into water supplies with ill effects and then they started on our current ethanol crap which persists due to corn farmers and at the time, nat sec ideas when we imported oil from abroad of keeping a domestic source of energy. Not really needed now by my understanding.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:29 AM (E4rtv)
Yes, the oxygenate requirement is an anachronism. No longer "needed" to protect the environment. They reduce the energy content of the fuel, meaning you have to burn more of it to get the same miles. And cause the fuel to be costlier to make. Shitcan the oxygenate requirement, and you would get cheaper gasoline, and more miles per gallon using it.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:29 AM (E4rtv)
Yes, the oxygenate requirement is an anachronism. No longer "needed" to protect the environment. They reduce the energy content of the fuel, meaning you have to burn more of it to get the same miles. And cause the fuel to be costlier to make. Shitcan the oxygenate requirement, and you would get cheaper gasoline, and more miles per gallon using it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:34 AM (quk5M)
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Talarico in rehab? Ducking an October surprise attack? Rumors are swirling.
Posted by: Frank Barone
Measuring the curtains.
Talarico in rehab? Ducking an October surprise attack? Rumors are swirling.
Posted by: Frank Barone
Measuring the curtains.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2026 11:34 AM (Cqx++)
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47 >>Politics is as much about emotion as it is about logic and deduction.
The entire Democrat Party is built on emotion.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Have to use a bit of both in politics or in life itself as politics is a human endeavor in where people can rightly disagree about means and ends in a society.
The entire Democrat Party is built on emotion.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Have to use a bit of both in politics or in life itself as politics is a human endeavor in where people can rightly disagree about means and ends in a society.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:34 AM (E4rtv)
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Secretary of Labor Keith Sonderling added that some of the largest IT firms in the world would also be suspended from that program, including Cognizant, Infosys, Tata, Wipro, HCO and Capgemini, as well as Adobe.
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Huge!
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Huge!
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:34 AM (AKptf)
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First, US Vice President JD Vance said on Thursday that the federal government is suspending tech giant Microsoft from a program to apply for green cards for workers who come to the U.S. to live and work using an H-1B visa as it accuses the company of fraud.
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Gee a company with an Indian CEO only hired Indians? I’m fucking shocked man.
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Gee a company with an Indian CEO only hired Indians? I’m fucking shocked man.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:35 AM (T+9ay)
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80 Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy - 105 years old! Puppy at heart! at October 08, 2026 11:32 AM (Sco7b)
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There's also a new $70,000 fee to use OPT for an individual that's being proposed (it'll go through the standard rule-making process so it survives court challenges on APA grounds).
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy - 105 years old! Puppy at heart! at October 08, 2026 11:32 AM (Sco7b)
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There's also a new $70,000 fee to use OPT for an individual that's being proposed (it'll go through the standard rule-making process so it survives court challenges on APA grounds).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:35 AM (1kJuV)
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tech companies been doing it for the last 27 years, the h1-b fraud
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:36 AM (AKptf)
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:37 AM (AKptf)
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>>"well, the reason pollsters are having such a difficult time reaching conservative and rural voters is because they're not planning on voting. so the polls are actually accurate."
I saw a clip from CNN where they were showing the packed turnout from the Trump rally in San Antonio yesterday. The host asked the guest why there so many people there when the polls show Talarico doing well.
The guest, not a conservative, said "Well, some times the polls are wrong.".
No way, really?
I saw a clip from CNN where they were showing the packed turnout from the Trump rally in San Antonio yesterday. The host asked the guest why there so many people there when the polls show Talarico doing well.
The guest, not a conservative, said "Well, some times the polls are wrong.".
No way, really?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:37 AM (viF8m)
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84 Currently, my two favorite copes from the left are:
"well, our voters are going to show up on Election Day. Trump's threats to use the USPS scared them away from early voting and voting by mail."
and
"well, the reason pollsters are having such a difficult time reaching conservative and rural voters is because they're not planning on voting. so the polls are actually accurate."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 08, 2026 11:34 AM (3cUTc)
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All while turnout is down for Democrats in OH, MI, NC, and GA in early voting.
It's really down in black districts.
I think some combination of factors have scared the ballot harvesting regime (both legal and illegal, depending on the state) into standing down. A few key arrests and convictions over the last year, USAID funding (short for the whole fed grant system), and election monitors Harmeet Dhillon promised.
"well, our voters are going to show up on Election Day. Trump's threats to use the USPS scared them away from early voting and voting by mail."
and
"well, the reason pollsters are having such a difficult time reaching conservative and rural voters is because they're not planning on voting. so the polls are actually accurate."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 08, 2026 11:34 AM (3cUTc)
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All while turnout is down for Democrats in OH, MI, NC, and GA in early voting.
It's really down in black districts.
I think some combination of factors have scared the ballot harvesting regime (both legal and illegal, depending on the state) into standing down. A few key arrests and convictions over the last year, USAID funding (short for the whole fed grant system), and election monitors Harmeet Dhillon promised.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:37 AM (1kJuV)
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The refinery shortage will become acute when we begin to extract the petro products from Venezuela. Unless refineries are built there with direct shipments to the US.
This is probably one of the reasons we haven't leveled Iran's petro infrastructure. We'll need it until (if) we get more domestic production capacity online.
This is probably one of the reasons we haven't leveled Iran's petro infrastructure. We'll need it until (if) we get more domestic production capacity online.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2026 11:38 AM (RORbl)
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Significantly larger than most existing datacenters, although the newest "super" AI datacenters (mostly those in proposed staged only) are bigger.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 08, 2026 11:34 AM (iFTx/)
Big industrial plants are big. Steel mills, auto factories, cement plants. Bigness is not unique to oil refineries.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 08, 2026 11:34 AM (iFTx/)
Big industrial plants are big. Steel mills, auto factories, cement plants. Bigness is not unique to oil refineries.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:38 AM (quk5M)
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CNN: Republicans are in their best position on party registration going into a midterm in 20+ years.
GOP Gains In Party Registration Margins:
Pennsylvania: 🔴 Republicans +7
North Carolina: 🔴 Republicans +8
Nevada: 🔴 Republicans +5
Arizona: 🔴 Republicans +4
(+/- vs 201
GOP Gains In Party Registration Margins:
Pennsylvania: 🔴 Republicans +7
North Carolina: 🔴 Republicans +8
Nevada: 🔴 Republicans +5
Arizona: 🔴 Republicans +4
(+/- vs 201
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:38 AM (AKptf)
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2018!
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:39 AM (AKptf)
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93 There's also a new $70,000 fee to use OPT for an individual t
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another huge fraud highway
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:37 AM (AKptf)
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Yeah, but the pathway from student visa to green card that runs through OPT and H-1B was already hit hard with the two $100,000 fees on new H-1B applications.
This is just adding fuel to that fire, emptying the clip into an already dead body.
Hell, there's also the massive decline in student visas overall.
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another huge fraud highway
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:37 AM (AKptf)
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Yeah, but the pathway from student visa to green card that runs through OPT and H-1B was already hit hard with the two $100,000 fees on new H-1B applications.
This is just adding fuel to that fire, emptying the clip into an already dead body.
Hell, there's also the massive decline in student visas overall.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:39 AM (1kJuV)
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100
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:39 AM (AKptf)
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on a good note, USS Lincoln returns to San Diego port today. Good for them.
I'm sure there will be more than few infants who will be waiting to see their fathers for the first time.
God bless them.
I'm sure there will be more than few infants who will be waiting to see their fathers for the first time.
God bless them.
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2026 11:39 AM (G0vdT)
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All while turnout is down for Democrats in OH, MI, NC, and GA in early voting.
It's really down in black districts.
I think some combination of factors have scared the ballot harvesting regime (both legal and illegal, depending on the state) into standing down. A few key arrests and convictions over the last year, USAID funding (short for the whole fed grant system), and election monitors Harmeet Dhillon promised.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08,
AND OUR CANDIDATES AREN'T ON THE BALLOTS, SO FUCK YOU, A NON-TRIVIAL NUMBER OF US ARE STAYING HOME!!
- Black voters
It's really down in black districts.
I think some combination of factors have scared the ballot harvesting regime (both legal and illegal, depending on the state) into standing down. A few key arrests and convictions over the last year, USAID funding (short for the whole fed grant system), and election monitors Harmeet Dhillon promised.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08,
AND OUR CANDIDATES AREN'T ON THE BALLOTS, SO FUCK YOU, A NON-TRIVIAL NUMBER OF US ARE STAYING HOME!!
- Black voters
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:39 AM (gLYp7)
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drat
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:39 AM (AKptf)
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People accuse me of reeking of sulfur and ass. I just checked with Bill and he says it's mostly ass.
Posted by: Never President Hellary Clinton at October 08, 2026 11:39 AM (EdP2u)
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98 CNN: Republicans are in their best position on party registration going into a midterm in 20+ years.
GOP Gains In Party Registration Margins:
Pennsylvania: 🔴 Republicans +7
North Carolina: 🔴 Republicans +8
Nevada: 🔴 Republicans +5
Arizona: 🔴 Republicans +4
(+/- vs 201
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:38 AM (AKptf)
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"But the polls have never been wrong. Here, look at the final RCP average which was only accurate because of Trafalgar and Harvard-Harris, two pollsters I deride as Republican pollsters and insist are wrong all the time."
GOP Gains In Party Registration Margins:
Pennsylvania: 🔴 Republicans +7
North Carolina: 🔴 Republicans +8
Nevada: 🔴 Republicans +5
Arizona: 🔴 Republicans +4
(+/- vs 201
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:38 AM (AKptf)
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"But the polls have never been wrong. Here, look at the final RCP average which was only accurate because of Trafalgar and Harvard-Harris, two pollsters I deride as Republican pollsters and insist are wrong all the time."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (1kJuV)
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I have voted in every “major” election (presidential and mid term years) since I was old enough. And like 80-90% of off year ones. The ones I missed were mainly because I just didn’t know they were happening.
It takes at most 30 minutes for me to vote and usually more like 10 minutes.
I just can’t fathom why anywhere from 30-50% of people either don’t vote or have to be begged and pleaded with to do so. How can you be so disinterested in who runs things that affect you in virtually everything you do in life?
It takes at most 30 minutes for me to vote and usually more like 10 minutes.
I just can’t fathom why anywhere from 30-50% of people either don’t vote or have to be begged and pleaded with to do so. How can you be so disinterested in who runs things that affect you in virtually everything you do in life?
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (T+9ay)
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CNN: Republicans are in their best position on party registration going into a midterm in 20+ years.
GOP Gains In Party Registration Margins:
Pennsylvania: 🔴 Republicans +7
North Carolina: 🔴 Republicans +8
Nevada: 🔴 Republicans +5
Arizona: 🔴 Republicans +4
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:38 AM (AKptf)
I'm confused.
Should I believe the polls, which are PROJECTING anticipated data, or should I believe the party registration numbers, which are REFLECTING actual data?
GOP Gains In Party Registration Margins:
Pennsylvania: 🔴 Republicans +7
North Carolina: 🔴 Republicans +8
Nevada: 🔴 Republicans +5
Arizona: 🔴 Republicans +4
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:38 AM (AKptf)
I'm confused.
Should I believe the polls, which are PROJECTING anticipated data, or should I believe the party registration numbers, which are REFLECTING actual data?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (gLYp7)
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Big industrial plants are big. Steel mills, auto factories, cement plants. Bigness is not unique to oil refineries.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
The biggest building in the world by volume is the Boeing plant in Everett, Washington.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
The biggest building in the world by volume is the Boeing plant in Everett, Washington.
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (77rzZ)
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Man, that Talarico seems like a lazy campaigner and a horrible candidate. The idiot Dem voters blew it, Crockett would be winning in a landslide!!
Posted by: Bizzaro World Influencer at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (AaY6N)
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"But the polls have never been wrong. Here, look at the final RCP average which was only accurate because of Trafalgar and Harvard-Harris, two pollsters I deride as Republican pollsters and insist are wrong all the time."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (1kJuV)
people just need to show up like it's 2024!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (1kJuV)
people just need to show up like it's 2024!
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (AKptf)
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103 AND OUR CANDIDATES AREN'T ON THE BALLOTS, SO FUCK YOU, A NON-TRIVIAL NUMBER OF US ARE STAYING HOME!!
- Black voters
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:39 AM (gLYp7)
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Also that, yes.
Probably really important to the black women who make up the majority of the inner city election workforce.
- Black voters
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:39 AM (gLYp7)
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Also that, yes.
Probably really important to the black women who make up the majority of the inner city election workforce.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:41 AM (1kJuV)
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That's gonna leave a mark.
>>@RapidResponse47
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47m
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>>@USLaborIG
: "I am announcing a historic investigation into the J-1 visa fraud involving nine major American universities — Pit, Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Brown, UC Davis, Caltech, Arizona State, and MIT. Subpoenas have been served; investigations are underway."
>>@RapidResponse47
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47m
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>>@USLaborIG
: "I am announcing a historic investigation into the J-1 visa fraud involving nine major American universities — Pit, Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Brown, UC Davis, Caltech, Arizona State, and MIT. Subpoenas have been served; investigations are underway."
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:41 AM (viF8m)
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I'm confused.
Should I believe the polls, which are PROJECTING anticipated data, or should I believe the party registration numbers, which are REFLECTING actual data?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (gLYp7)
what do you think you should do ??
Should I believe the polls, which are PROJECTING anticipated data, or should I believe the party registration numbers, which are REFLECTING actual data?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (gLYp7)
what do you think you should do ??
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:41 AM (AKptf)
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Should I believe the polls, which are PROJECTING anticipated data, or should I believe the party registration numbers, which are REFLECTING actual data?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (gLYp7)
The Dems are banking on them staying home... Enthusiasm gap or something...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (gLYp7)
The Dems are banking on them staying home... Enthusiasm gap or something...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:41 AM (TeC7T)
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89 Secretary of Labor Keith Sonderling added that some of the largest IT firms in the world would also be suspended from that program, including Cognizant, Infosys, Tata, Wipro, HCO and Capgemini, as well as Adobe.
YAASSSSSSSSS
f u Adobe!
YAASSSSSSSSS
f u Adobe!
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at October 08, 2026 11:41 AM (j+aD2)
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*who still uses adobe ..??
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:42 AM (AKptf)
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:42 AM (T+9ay)
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 11:43 AM (77rzZ)
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115 Should I believe the polls, which are PROJECTING anticipated data, or should I believe the party registration numbers, which are REFLECTING actual data?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (gLYp7)
The Dems are banking on them staying home... Enthusiasm gap or something...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:41 AM (TeC7T)
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Turnout in Ohio is angling to be the lowest since 1970.
https://x.com/TonerousHyus/status/
2108190693835579635
And it's mostly driven by Democrats voting at lower levels than 2018 while Republicans keep pace with a rather standard midterm election.
The left is burned out and doesn't care anymore. They realized Bibi isn't on the ballot and stopped caring.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (gLYp7)
The Dems are banking on them staying home... Enthusiasm gap or something...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:41 AM (TeC7T)
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Turnout in Ohio is angling to be the lowest since 1970.
https://x.com/TonerousHyus/status/
2108190693835579635
And it's mostly driven by Democrats voting at lower levels than 2018 while Republicans keep pace with a rather standard midterm election.
The left is burned out and doesn't care anymore. They realized Bibi isn't on the ballot and stopped caring.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:43 AM (1kJuV)
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Man, that Talarico seems like a lazy campaigner and a horrible candidate. The idiot Dem voters blew it, Crockett would be winning in a landslide!!
Posted by: Bizzaro World Influencer at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (AaY6N)
That's EXACTLY the attitude I'm counting on to win the primary!
- Kamala!
Posted by: Bizzaro World Influencer at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (AaY6N)
That's EXACTLY the attitude I'm counting on to win the primary!
- Kamala!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:43 AM (gLYp7)
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I just can’t fathom why anywhere from 30-50% of people either don’t vote or have to be begged and pleaded with to do so. How can you be so disinterested in who runs things that affect you in virtually everything you do in life?
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (T+9ay)
I will be going to an advance poll on Tuesday to vote in the upcoming Alberta independence referendum. Voting day is the 19th, and I expect to be back home by then, but I'm not taking any chances.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (T+9ay)
I will be going to an advance poll on Tuesday to vote in the upcoming Alberta independence referendum. Voting day is the 19th, and I expect to be back home by then, but I'm not taking any chances.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:44 AM (quk5M)
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How do these fcking retards think they're going to sell a product they can't produce?"
Hey, that's our plan!
/XOM
Hey, that's our plan!
/XOM
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (pfXMo)
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In my own little neck of the woods my ultra leftist neighbors have every lawn sign out as they usually do. It’s a blue enclave in a Red Sea but man these people get amped up to 11 every election, knowing they will lose by 15 at least each time.
I guess I have to respect the hustle, lol.
I guess I have to respect the hustle, lol.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (T+9ay)
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I saw a clip from CNN where they were showing the packed turnout from the Trump rally in San Antonio yesterday. The host asked the guest why there so many people there when the polls show Talarico doing well.
The guest, not a conservative, said "Well, some times the polls are wrong.".
I remember being told that rally size and yard sign placement meant nothing.
I saw a clip from CNN where they were showing the packed turnout from the Trump rally in San Antonio yesterday. The host asked the guest why there so many people there when the polls show Talarico doing well.
The guest, not a conservative, said "Well, some times the polls are wrong.".
I remember being told that rally size and yard sign placement meant nothing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (Cqx++)
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I will be going to an advance poll on Tuesday to vote in the upcoming Alberta independence referendum. Voting day is the 19th, and I expect to be back home by then, but I'm not taking any chances.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:44 AM (quk5M)
Is there a chance that will succeed ?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:44 AM (quk5M)
Is there a chance that will succeed ?
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (TeC7T)
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Should I believe the polls, which are PROJECTING anticipated data, or should I believe the party registration numbers, which are REFLECTING actual data?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (gLYp7)
what do you think you should do ??
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:41 AM (AKptf)
Same thing I always do.
Vote. Volunteer at my polling place. Encourage other like-minded people to vote.
I'm just doing it without the sense of impending dread that focusing on polling data would give me.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:40 AM (gLYp7)
what do you think you should do ??
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:41 AM (AKptf)
Same thing I always do.
Vote. Volunteer at my polling place. Encourage other like-minded people to vote.
I'm just doing it without the sense of impending dread that focusing on polling data would give me.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (gLYp7)
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Adobe is still the standard suite for video and graphics
sadly
I have Affinity but it has gotten worse lately too. it's also quite heavily Indian all of a sudden.
other than that, what?
sadly
I have Affinity but it has gotten worse lately too. it's also quite heavily Indian all of a sudden.
other than that, what?
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (j+aD2)
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117 *who still uses adobe ..??
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:42 AM (AKptf)
Graphics Designers, marketing. Still the dominant PDF viewer.
And to #116 above, Right on! F U Adobe.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:42 AM (AKptf)
Graphics Designers, marketing. Still the dominant PDF viewer.
And to #116 above, Right on! F U Adobe.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (N39Ws)
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Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Both so far are not proven datapoints. If the Democrats do not turn out by EV or mail, then they are not going to turn out election day.
Right now the biggest miss seems to be that pollsters are modeling likely voters by those willing to respond to pollsters rather than screening questions and background (voter histories on past voting indicate strongly whether they will vote or turnout in the present.) At least so far, the 18-29 yutes are not showing up at all in actual vote by mail or EV stats. History tells us that as time gets closer to elections, these voters are the least likely to turnout in person or even early. That screws up poll weighting for a big turnout by yutes by heavy inclusion because they answer text requests for polling. Selection bias. Ditto for older TDS types in EV, it is appears that the stage four TDS cannot wait to vote against GOP but that is a small percentage of voters.
These midterms so far appear to have an older skew to them and Boomer No Kings types are voting early and responding to polls as are yutes that probably will not vote.
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Both so far are not proven datapoints. If the Democrats do not turn out by EV or mail, then they are not going to turn out election day.
Right now the biggest miss seems to be that pollsters are modeling likely voters by those willing to respond to pollsters rather than screening questions and background (voter histories on past voting indicate strongly whether they will vote or turnout in the present.) At least so far, the 18-29 yutes are not showing up at all in actual vote by mail or EV stats. History tells us that as time gets closer to elections, these voters are the least likely to turnout in person or even early. That screws up poll weighting for a big turnout by yutes by heavy inclusion because they answer text requests for polling. Selection bias. Ditto for older TDS types in EV, it is appears that the stage four TDS cannot wait to vote against GOP but that is a small percentage of voters.
These midterms so far appear to have an older skew to them and Boomer No Kings types are voting early and responding to polls as are yutes that probably will not vote.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (E4rtv)
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I download a lot of articles as PDFs.
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 11:43 AM (77rzZ)
You can both read and write PDF files without ever using purchased software.
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 11:43 AM (77rzZ)
You can both read and write PDF files without ever using purchased software.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:46 AM (quk5M)
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:46 AM (T+9ay)
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Hell, there's also the massive decline in student visas overall."
"Well, there goes the new rock climbing wall in the activities building "
/uni admin
"Well, there goes the new rock climbing wall in the activities building "
/uni admin
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:47 AM (pfXMo)
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right , I forgot about the pdf, which is the only useful piece of that company
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:47 AM (AKptf)
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18. It is, but even worse than that is that its construction spans enough years for a change in the national government.
Posted by: NeighSayer
Exactly.
The United States lost approximately 1 million barrels per day of refining capacity & saw several major facility closures or conversions since 2020 due to poor economics, aging infrastructure, and changing market demands.
Look up: Notable U.S. Refinery Closures and Conversions (Recent Decade)
Forbes: Operable U.S. refineries dropped from about 135 in 2020 down to 130 by 2026, as companies prioritize large, low-cost Gulf Coast complexes over aging or high-cost regional plants.
And the shift to "renewable" fuel: U.S. hydroprocessed esters and fatty acids (HEFA) renewable diesel capacity surged over the last few years, climbing past 5 billion gallons annually. The vast majority of this product flows directly to California, where state incentives (like the Low Carbon Fuel Standard) make it economically viable.
But, Market Consolidation and the "RIN Cliff" - The aggressive pivot to green fuels has hit a ceiling, with saturated markets & falling profit margins.
The frantic pace of conversions slowed dramatically.
Posted by: NeighSayer
Exactly.
The United States lost approximately 1 million barrels per day of refining capacity & saw several major facility closures or conversions since 2020 due to poor economics, aging infrastructure, and changing market demands.
Look up: Notable U.S. Refinery Closures and Conversions (Recent Decade)
Forbes: Operable U.S. refineries dropped from about 135 in 2020 down to 130 by 2026, as companies prioritize large, low-cost Gulf Coast complexes over aging or high-cost regional plants.
And the shift to "renewable" fuel: U.S. hydroprocessed esters and fatty acids (HEFA) renewable diesel capacity surged over the last few years, climbing past 5 billion gallons annually. The vast majority of this product flows directly to California, where state incentives (like the Low Carbon Fuel Standard) make it economically viable.
But, Market Consolidation and the "RIN Cliff" - The aggressive pivot to green fuels has hit a ceiling, with saturated markets & falling profit margins.
The frantic pace of conversions slowed dramatically.
Posted by: L - No nic... at October 08, 2026 11:47 AM (NFX2v)
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130
These midterms so far appear to have an older skew to them and Boomer No Kings types are voting early and responding to polls as are yutes that probably will not vote.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (E4rtv)
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Voters in blue bastion Franklin County, Ohio are literally majority boomer right now:
https://x.com/TonerousHyus/status/
2108218448174006680
Columbus, Ohio is only seeing Boomers vote. The youth vote, which is supposed to be 15-20% of the electorate according to polls, can't breach 8% in deep blue enclaves.
These midterms so far appear to have an older skew to them and Boomer No Kings types are voting early and responding to polls as are yutes that probably will not vote.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (E4rtv)
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Voters in blue bastion Franklin County, Ohio are literally majority boomer right now:
https://x.com/TonerousHyus/status/
2108218448174006680
Columbus, Ohio is only seeing Boomers vote. The youth vote, which is supposed to be 15-20% of the electorate according to polls, can't breach 8% in deep blue enclaves.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:47 AM (1kJuV)
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and probably not for long
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:47 AM (AKptf)
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I'm sure there will be more than few infants who will be waiting to see their fathers for the first time.
God bless them.
Posted by: WisRich
I have been, how you say, very busy in San Diego!
God bless them.
Posted by: WisRich
I have been, how you say, very busy in San Diego!
Posted by: The Paolo, One-Armed WallPaper Hanger at October 08, 2026 11:47 AM (EdP2u)
139
BTW, Mrs is doing well this am...sore and tired, to be sure...
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:48 AM (pfXMo)
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133 Hell, there's also the massive decline in student visas overall."
"Well, there goes the new rock climbing wall in the activities building "
/uni admin
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:47 AM (pfXMo)
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The old one was only 2 years old and just needed a bit of maintenance, but the provost approved the spending on the new wall anyway.
"Well, there goes the new rock climbing wall in the activities building "
/uni admin
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:47 AM (pfXMo)
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The old one was only 2 years old and just needed a bit of maintenance, but the provost approved the spending on the new wall anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:48 AM (1kJuV)
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*who still uses adobe ..??
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:42 AM (AKptf)
Well... I wish it weren't so, but the answer is "basically everyone."
It remains the industry standard in creative workplaces.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:42 AM (AKptf)
Well... I wish it weren't so, but the answer is "basically everyone."
It remains the industry standard in creative workplaces.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2026 11:48 AM (BI5O2)
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I'm expecting many shrieking articles from angry white women after the Trump administration announced today they are going after people who for years have been discriminating not just American workers but white male Americans in particular.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:26 AM
Absolutely. Their hatred of white males is so much because these men won't date them.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:26 AM
Absolutely. Their hatred of white males is so much because these men won't date them.
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 08, 2026 11:48 AM (OkYzo)
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141 *who still uses adobe ..??
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:42 AM (AKptf)
Well... I wish it weren't so, but the answer is "basically everyone."
It remains the industry standard in creative workplaces.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2026 11:48 AM (BI5O2)
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Yeah, but I don't listen to Taylor Swift, so no one does.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:42 AM (AKptf)
Well... I wish it weren't so, but the answer is "basically everyone."
It remains the industry standard in creative workplaces.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2026 11:48 AM (BI5O2)
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Yeah, but I don't listen to Taylor Swift, so no one does.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (1kJuV)
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>>I remember being told that rally size and yard sign placement meant nothing.
It was obvious to in all 3 of his elections but particularly in 24 that Trump was going to win just by contrasting the turnouts at his rallies with Harris'.
Trump was selling out arenas everywhere while Harris had to pay twerkers just to get anyone to show up. The enthusiasm gap was real.
I see a similar dynamic now. How many people turnout out for a rally in San Antonio and then decide voting is just not important?
It was obvious to in all 3 of his elections but particularly in 24 that Trump was going to win just by contrasting the turnouts at his rallies with Harris'.
Trump was selling out arenas everywhere while Harris had to pay twerkers just to get anyone to show up. The enthusiasm gap was real.
I see a similar dynamic now. How many people turnout out for a rally in San Antonio and then decide voting is just not important?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (viF8m)
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At one of my corporate paralegal jobs, we would also use Adobe to redact documents for FOIA requests, as it had that functionality.
Posted by: Bulg at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (77rzZ)
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I have been, how you say, very busy in San Diego!
Posted by: The Paolo, One-Armed WallPaper Hanger at October 08, 2026 11:47 AM (EdP2u)
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This requires an "Anchorman" quote of some sort.
Posted by: The Paolo, One-Armed WallPaper Hanger at October 08, 2026 11:47 AM (EdP2u)
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This requires an "Anchorman" quote of some sort.
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (G0vdT)
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I've been busy with my projects but CNN has been covering a lot of President Trump's speeches and rallies.
Probably as a suck up move.
And to tell their 700,000 viewers and the ones trapped in places unable to turn the channel what they should be thinking.
Probably as a suck up move.
And to tell their 700,000 viewers and the ones trapped in places unable to turn the channel what they should be thinking.
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy - 105 years old! Puppy at heart! at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (Sco7b)
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The United States lost approximately 1 million barrels per day"
And demand did not fall as projected (the EV idiocy)...
And demand did not fall as projected (the EV idiocy)...
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (pfXMo)
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I reside in an Adobe Hacienda.
Posted by: Louise Massey and the Westerners at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (EdP2u)
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This requires an "Anchorman" quote of some sort.
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (G0vdT)
LOOOUUUDDDD NOIIISSEEESSS!!
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (G0vdT)
LOOOUUUDDDD NOIIISSEEESSS!!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (gLYp7)
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In my company every single person I’ve encountered in HR has been a woman of color or gay man. The recruiter that brought be over was an older white woman. She’s now retired.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (T+9ay)
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150 This requires an "Anchorman" quote of some sort.
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (G0vdT)
LOOOUUUDDDD NOIIISSEEESSS!!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (gLYp7)
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Brick killed a guy.
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (G0vdT)
LOOOUUUDDDD NOIIISSEEESSS!!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (gLYp7)
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Brick killed a guy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (1kJuV)
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Yeah, but I don't listen to Taylor Swift, so no one does."
Don't go to busy restaurants either. Too crowded.
Don't go to busy restaurants either. Too crowded.
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:51 AM (pfXMo)
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BTW, Mrs is doing well this am...sore and tired, to be sure...
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:48 AM
Good news!
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:48 AM
Good news!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 08, 2026 11:51 AM (/C5Rl)
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151 In my company every single person I’ve encountered in HR has been a woman of color or gay man. The recruiter that brought be over was an older white woman. She’s now retired.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (T+9ay)
So, white man playing the game with black and Hispanic women...that's the HR norm...
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (T+9ay)
So, white man playing the game with black and Hispanic women...that's the HR norm...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 08, 2026 11:51 AM (tOcjL)
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I saw a clip from CNN where they were showing the packed turnout from the Trump rally in San Antonio yesterday. The host asked the guest why there so many people there when the polls show Talarico doing well.
The guest, not a conservative, said "Well, some times the polls are wrong.".
I remember being told that rally size and yard sign placement meant nothing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM
Every single published public poll I have seen has talerico winning, some by as much as 9 points. That is statistically impossible here in Texas. There is no way any democrat can win a state wide election by 9 points. I saw a campaign poll released by paxton that has him winning by 4 points, that is about where I think the race will end up.
We are being gaslight and they are trying to keep republicans in Texas from voting.
The guest, not a conservative, said "Well, some times the polls are wrong.".
I remember being told that rally size and yard sign placement meant nothing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM
Every single published public poll I have seen has talerico winning, some by as much as 9 points. That is statistically impossible here in Texas. There is no way any democrat can win a state wide election by 9 points. I saw a campaign poll released by paxton that has him winning by 4 points, that is about where I think the race will end up.
We are being gaslight and they are trying to keep republicans in Texas from voting.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2026 11:51 AM (I43vL)
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I was wondering why NCIS replaced a long time black actor with a long time returning white actor...and then launched their NY show with 4 definite white people, 1 maybe white person (never know if they gets points b/c someone is 1/4 something) and LL Cool J as the lone black actor...
The current most-watched network TV show is CBS's Tracker, about a straight white guy doing straight white guy things. They may be getting the message.
The current most-watched network TV show is CBS's Tracker, about a straight white guy doing straight white guy things. They may be getting the message.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 08, 2026 11:52 AM (2ocoG)
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AI tools will replace any and every dinosaur product. Integration of ai/si into old stuff will not help. there are and will be more new , more effective tools.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:52 AM (AKptf)
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How many people turnout out for a rally in San Antonio and then decide voting is just not important?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (viF8m)
I'd say more than 'none' and less than 'a significant number.'
My SWAG is 8% maybe?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2026 11:49 AM (viF8m)
I'd say more than 'none' and less than 'a significant number.'
My SWAG is 8% maybe?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:52 AM (gLYp7)
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154 BTW, Mrs is doing well this am...sore and tired, to be sure...
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:48 AM
Good. I thought of you both this morning.
And on a late thread, publius mentioned his mother was not doing well. FYI...
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:48 AM
Good. I thought of you both this morning.
And on a late thread, publius mentioned his mother was not doing well. FYI...
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy - 105 years old! Puppy at heart! at October 08, 2026 11:52 AM (Sco7b)
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Brick killed a guy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (1kJuV)
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That escalated quickly, I mean that got out of hand fast!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (1kJuV)
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That escalated quickly, I mean that got out of hand fast!
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2026 11:52 AM (G0vdT)
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Brick killed a guy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (1kJuV)
There were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:50 AM (1kJuV)
There were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:52 AM (gLYp7)
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156 Every single published public poll I have seen has talerico winning, some by as much as 9 points. That is statistically impossible here in Texas. There is no way any democrat can win a state wide election by 9 points. I saw a campaign poll released by paxton that has him winning by 4 points, that is about where I think the race will end up.
We are being gaslight and they are trying to keep republicans in Texas from voting.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2026 11:51 AM (I43vL)
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YouGov, one of the worst pollsters, is already hedging.
https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/
2108195340989927592
45/45
This race isn't going to be close, but Talarico will get about 45%.
We are being gaslight and they are trying to keep republicans in Texas from voting.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 08, 2026 11:51 AM (I43vL)
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YouGov, one of the worst pollsters, is already hedging.
https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/
2108195340989927592
45/45
This race isn't going to be close, but Talarico will get about 45%.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:52 AM (1kJuV)
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every single person I’ve encountered in HR has been a woman of color or gay man"
The single greatest hiring criteria for the past 30 plus years has been vajayjay. Or wannabe vajayjay.
The single greatest hiring criteria for the past 30 plus years has been vajayjay. Or wannabe vajayjay.
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:53 AM (pfXMo)
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It was obvious to in all 3 of his elections but particularly in 24 that Trump was going to win just by contrasting the turnouts at his rallies with Harris'.
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I remember there were leftists online pointing out empty seats at Trump rallies and high fiving each other.
Dont get too caught up in this stuff. It can be spun both ways if you look hard enough.
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I remember there were leftists online pointing out empty seats at Trump rallies and high fiving each other.
Dont get too caught up in this stuff. It can be spun both ways if you look hard enough.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:53 AM (T+9ay)
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Absolutely. Their hatred of white males is so much because these men won't date them.
Posted by: Frank Barone
Passport Bros did nothing wrong.
Posted by: Frank Barone
Passport Bros did nothing wrong.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2026 11:54 AM (jjoN6)
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124 In my own little neck of the woods my ultra leftist neighbors have every lawn sign out as they usually do. It’s a blue enclave in a Red Sea but man these people get amped up to 11 every election, knowing they will lose by 15 at least each time.
I guess I have to respect the hustle, lol.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (T+9ay)
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Every neighborhood has at least one old bag that can't STFU about leftoid politics. We have one. Nobody wonders why her kids (if she ever had any) never stop by to visit.
I guess I have to respect the hustle, lol.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (T+9ay)
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Every neighborhood has at least one old bag that can't STFU about leftoid politics. We have one. Nobody wonders why her kids (if she ever had any) never stop by to visit.
Posted by: ballistic at October 08, 2026 11:54 AM (oqH4h)
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I like your Ginger Ale!
I like your Ginger Ale!
Posted by: Brick at October 08, 2026 11:54 AM (OkYzo)
Posted by: man at October 08, 2026 11:54 AM (pfXMo)
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About a year ago, I made a prediction (I don't make many, but I did make this).
I said that 2026 would be the lowest turnout and lowest spending midterm in decades.
Well, it's not lowest spending. Both parties are spending a lot, but it is gearing up to be lowest turnout, the hole centered around Democrat bastions, especially in states with a modicum of election integrity built into the system.
Why did I predict that? Because I figured fraud was high and that the Trump 2.0 admin was serious about hurting Democrats where they consolidated power: fraud.
Fingers crossed!
I said that 2026 would be the lowest turnout and lowest spending midterm in decades.
Well, it's not lowest spending. Both parties are spending a lot, but it is gearing up to be lowest turnout, the hole centered around Democrat bastions, especially in states with a modicum of election integrity built into the system.
Why did I predict that? Because I figured fraud was high and that the Trump 2.0 admin was serious about hurting Democrats where they consolidated power: fraud.
Fingers crossed!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:55 AM (1kJuV)
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MS Now routinely wishcasts how Talarico is going to take Texas and prove how incompetent that evil orange man is.
Just once I wish our side was on the right side of history....
Just once I wish our side was on the right side of history....
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy - 105 years old! Puppy at heart! at October 08, 2026 11:55 AM (Sco7b)
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I'm confused.
Should I believe the polls, which are PROJECTING anticipated data, or should I believe the party registration numbers, which are REFLECTING actual data?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
Treat them as one data point amidst a host of others. Due to technological changes (scam callers have destroyed response rates), and sociological changes, people don't trust pollsters to respond, public polling as we know it is dying.
Private polling, which is escalating in costs due to non response problems and the need to triangulate data--for example, they actually check voting records of respondents to see if they voted in the past or partisan skew rather than taking their word for it, and using geographic random bloc strategies to determine overall error rate, is still doing okay.
But polling is getting lousy at determining just who is going to vote which is a) dependent on party/candidate turnout mechanisms for the sporadic voter class, b) the inclination of that individual voter to want to be turned out.
I am excluding fraud from the equation because we have guesses about how big it is but not firm data except it almost always benefits Dems.
Should I believe the polls, which are PROJECTING anticipated data, or should I believe the party registration numbers, which are REFLECTING actual data?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
Treat them as one data point amidst a host of others. Due to technological changes (scam callers have destroyed response rates), and sociological changes, people don't trust pollsters to respond, public polling as we know it is dying.
Private polling, which is escalating in costs due to non response problems and the need to triangulate data--for example, they actually check voting records of respondents to see if they voted in the past or partisan skew rather than taking their word for it, and using geographic random bloc strategies to determine overall error rate, is still doing okay.
But polling is getting lousy at determining just who is going to vote which is a) dependent on party/candidate turnout mechanisms for the sporadic voter class, b) the inclination of that individual voter to want to be turned out.
I am excluding fraud from the equation because we have guesses about how big it is but not firm data except it almost always benefits Dems.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 11:56 AM (E4rtv)
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Columbus, Ohio is only seeing Boomers vote. The youth vote, which is supposed to be 15-20% of the electorate according to polls, can't breach 8% in deep blue enclaves.
I voted Tuesday (central Indiana). 100% Boomer in attendance.
Columbus, Ohio is only seeing Boomers vote. The youth vote, which is supposed to be 15-20% of the electorate according to polls, can't breach 8% in deep blue enclaves.
I voted Tuesday (central Indiana). 100% Boomer in attendance.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2026 11:56 AM (Cqx++)
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Perhaps President Trump can nationalize the recently closed refineries in California in the interest of national security. And fast-track the expansion of existing refineries and the building of more in red states that are amenable to high-paying jobs.
That would be the smart thing to do. So it won't happen.
That would be the smart thing to do. So it won't happen.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2026 11:56 AM (k9rrS)
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And it's mostly driven by Democrats voting at lower levels than 2018 while Republicans keep pace with a rather standard midterm election.
The left is burned out and doesn't care anymore.
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What are they running on?
Hate Trump.
It's their "repeal Obamacare" after years and multiple "attempts" failed.
They've been running on this for over 10 years now--their side is completely topped out on it and the conservatives have long stopped listening to them.
It's why I say their "Trump told Iran to nuke L.A. and San Diego!" is falling flat.
Not just for the pathetic desperation to gin up more Trump hate, but that everyone--outside of the most loyal Dems--just do not f'ing believe or care what they say anymore.
The left is burned out and doesn't care anymore.
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What are they running on?
Hate Trump.
It's their "repeal Obamacare" after years and multiple "attempts" failed.
They've been running on this for over 10 years now--their side is completely topped out on it and the conservatives have long stopped listening to them.
It's why I say their "Trump told Iran to nuke L.A. and San Diego!" is falling flat.
Not just for the pathetic desperation to gin up more Trump hate, but that everyone--outside of the most loyal Dems--just do not f'ing believe or care what they say anymore.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 08, 2026 11:56 AM (3cUTc)
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Is there a chance that will succeed ?
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (TeC7T)
I really don't know. The "Yes" (pro-independence) side is well-organized, and I see a great many yard signs around here. The "nos" were kind of late getting out of the starting gate, but signs are springing up now. I take that as a sign that the "nos" misread the mood of the public, and figured they had it in the bag, but have now woken up.
IIRC, only about one third of the people in the original Thirteen Colonies were strongly pro-Independence.
A "Yes" win in this referendum does not automatically lead to Alberta gaining independence. It directs the provincial government to begin negotiations with Ottawa towards separation. Ottawa cannot be expected to bargain in good faith. If the "Yes" vote is strong, I see the current squishy conservative leader in Alberta to be replaced by more of a firebrand. Then Ottawa does something particularly stupid and evil, and triggers a Unilateral Declaration of Independence.
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2026 11:45 AM (TeC7T)
I really don't know. The "Yes" (pro-independence) side is well-organized, and I see a great many yard signs around here. The "nos" were kind of late getting out of the starting gate, but signs are springing up now. I take that as a sign that the "nos" misread the mood of the public, and figured they had it in the bag, but have now woken up.
IIRC, only about one third of the people in the original Thirteen Colonies were strongly pro-Independence.
A "Yes" win in this referendum does not automatically lead to Alberta gaining independence. It directs the provincial government to begin negotiations with Ottawa towards separation. Ottawa cannot be expected to bargain in good faith. If the "Yes" vote is strong, I see the current squishy conservative leader in Alberta to be replaced by more of a firebrand. Then Ottawa does something particularly stupid and evil, and triggers a Unilateral Declaration of Independence.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2026 11:56 AM (quk5M)
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Every neighborhood has at least one old bag that can't STFU about leftoid politics. We have one. Nobody wonders why her kids (if she ever had any) never stop by to visit.
Posted by: ballistic at October 08, 2026 11:54 AM (oqH4h)
In the neighborhood in which my parents live, my mom is the old bag that can't STFU about leftoid politics. The only person who wonders why her kids never stop by to visit is her.
Which tracks. Lefties can't really grasp the relationship between 'cause,' and 'effect.'
Posted by: ballistic at October 08, 2026 11:54 AM (oqH4h)
In the neighborhood in which my parents live, my mom is the old bag that can't STFU about leftoid politics. The only person who wonders why her kids never stop by to visit is her.
Which tracks. Lefties can't really grasp the relationship between 'cause,' and 'effect.'
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at October 08, 2026 11:56 AM (gLYp7)
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I finally encountered one actual, in the wild, successful video studio running DaVinci instead of Premiere. Pain in the ass for me as the customer, but not an insoluble one, and I'm just happy to see somebody isn't getting assfucked by Adobe Systems, for once.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2026 11:56 AM (BI5O2)
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Columbus, Ohio is only seeing Boomers vote. The youth vote, which is supposed to be 15-20% of the electorate according to polls, can't breach 8% in deep blue enclaves.
I voted Tuesday (central Indiana). 100% Boomer in attendance.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2026 11:56 AM (Cqx++)
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The youth never turn out. They really never turn out for midterms.
Polling for the last couple of years have assumed the youth do turn out for elections. Probably an issue.
Columbus, Ohio is only seeing Boomers vote. The youth vote, which is supposed to be 15-20% of the electorate according to polls, can't breach 8% in deep blue enclaves.
I voted Tuesday (central Indiana). 100% Boomer in attendance.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2026 11:56 AM (Cqx++)
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The youth never turn out. They really never turn out for midterms.
Polling for the last couple of years have assumed the youth do turn out for elections. Probably an issue.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:57 AM (1kJuV)
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Every neighborhood has at least one old bag that can't STFU about leftoid politics. We have one. Nobody wonders why her kids (if she ever had any) never stop by to visit.
Posted by: ballistic
It’s not just one. It’s A LOT of them. Like both neighbors of mine. Every block has a few. There is the odd sign for the other side but it’s rare.
I just shrug whatever.
I did check out the election results for my precinct once expecting it to be 80-20 left/right because that’s what the signs would suggest. To my surprise it was more like 55-45. Goes to show signs mean fuck all.
Posted by: ballistic
It’s not just one. It’s A LOT of them. Like both neighbors of mine. Every block has a few. There is the odd sign for the other side but it’s rare.
I just shrug whatever.
I did check out the election results for my precinct once expecting it to be 80-20 left/right because that’s what the signs would suggest. To my surprise it was more like 55-45. Goes to show signs mean fuck all.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:58 AM (T+9ay)
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I remember there were leftists online pointing out empty seats at Trump rallies and high fiving each other.
Dont get too caught up in this stuff. It can be spun both ways if you look hard enough.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:53 AM (T+9ay)
Hilary in 2016 had all of her rallies at universities. I don't think she would have been filling rooms otherwise.
Dont get too caught up in this stuff. It can be spun both ways if you look hard enough.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 11:53 AM (T+9ay)
Hilary in 2016 had all of her rallies at universities. I don't think she would have been filling rooms otherwise.
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy - 105 years old! Puppy at heart! at October 08, 2026 11:58 AM (Sco7b)
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Having refineries laying around isn't solving the problem.
Legislatively removing and writing legislation prohibiting the creation of laws, regulations and policies that would discourage investing in refineries.
Why spend money on equipment that the government, for two generations has told you they deliberately and aggressively want to eliminate?
Why spend hundred thousand dollars on a petrochem degree when the government has promised to keep you unemployed?
Why should any vendor wish to come up with innovative new refinery equipment when no new refineries are being built and the need is only for replacement fittings?
When interest rates are high, the safe money is in time-deposit, not in stocks and cap-ex. If I can get 6% in a safe time-deposit, why put money at risk for 6.5% return?
Legislatively removing and writing legislation prohibiting the creation of laws, regulations and policies that would discourage investing in refineries.
Why spend money on equipment that the government, for two generations has told you they deliberately and aggressively want to eliminate?
Why spend hundred thousand dollars on a petrochem degree when the government has promised to keep you unemployed?
Why should any vendor wish to come up with innovative new refinery equipment when no new refineries are being built and the need is only for replacement fittings?
When interest rates are high, the safe money is in time-deposit, not in stocks and cap-ex. If I can get 6% in a safe time-deposit, why put money at risk for 6.5% return?
Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 11:58 AM (9Hs2w)
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The youth never turn out. They really never turn out for midterms.
Polling for the last couple of years have assumed the youth do turn out for elections. Probably an issue.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:57 AM (1kJuV)
they kinda did in NY for mamadami; could have been an anomaly, or a trend
Polling for the last couple of years have assumed the youth do turn out for elections. Probably an issue.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 11:57 AM (1kJuV)
they kinda did in NY for mamadami; could have been an anomaly, or a trend
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:59 AM (AKptf)
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In MA the republican challenger is running on suspending the gas tax.
The incumbent lunatic Dem says she'll do the same but she totally didn't copy him. Also, she'll totally honestly do it...but only after the election even though she's the incumbent.
The incumbent lunatic Dem says she'll do the same but she totally didn't copy him. Also, she'll totally honestly do it...but only after the election even though she's the incumbent.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 12:00 PM (sKqQm)
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170 About a year ago, I made a prediction (I don't make many, but I did make this).
I said that 2026 would be the lowest turnout and lowest spending midterm in decades.
Well, it's not lowest spending. Both parties are spending a lot, but it is gearing up to be lowest turnout, the hole centered around Democrat bastions, especially in states with a modicum of election integrity built into the system.
Why did I predict that? Because I figured fraud was high and that the Trump 2.0 admin was serious about hurting Democrats where they consolidated power: fraud.
Fingers crossed!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Second term midterms are a different cat than first midterms. And due to identity voting, we get a muddled signal when looking at past elections. But your assertion is historically safe that second term midterms are usually lower in turnout. That means voter mobilization of base voters versus the sporadic can lead to unpredictable swings like in 1998 depending on whose base is more motivated to turnout. I think this will be an older and whiter midterm turnout year and perhaps higher rural/suburban than urban if Ohio is predictive.
I said that 2026 would be the lowest turnout and lowest spending midterm in decades.
Well, it's not lowest spending. Both parties are spending a lot, but it is gearing up to be lowest turnout, the hole centered around Democrat bastions, especially in states with a modicum of election integrity built into the system.
Why did I predict that? Because I figured fraud was high and that the Trump 2.0 admin was serious about hurting Democrats where they consolidated power: fraud.
Fingers crossed!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Second term midterms are a different cat than first midterms. And due to identity voting, we get a muddled signal when looking at past elections. But your assertion is historically safe that second term midterms are usually lower in turnout. That means voter mobilization of base voters versus the sporadic can lead to unpredictable swings like in 1998 depending on whose base is more motivated to turnout. I think this will be an older and whiter midterm turnout year and perhaps higher rural/suburban than urban if Ohio is predictive.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 12:00 PM (E4rtv)
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The left is burned out and doesn't care anymore.
_________
They won't vote unless they're paid - hell, half of them can't get out of bed - and there ain't no walking-around money no more.
The left is burned out and doesn't care anymore.
_________
They won't vote unless they're paid - hell, half of them can't get out of bed - and there ain't no walking-around money no more.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 08, 2026 12:00 PM (eRlcH)
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they kinda did in NY for mamadami; could have been an anomaly, or a trend
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:59 AM (AKptf)
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The NYC mayoral election, like the NJ and VA elections, are scheduled in ways that make them, effectively, special elections.
They advantage the organized and the hyper engaged.
I think it would help American politics if we standardized election days.
they kinda did in NY for mamadami; could have been an anomaly, or a trend
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 11:59 AM (AKptf)
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The NYC mayoral election, like the NJ and VA elections, are scheduled in ways that make them, effectively, special elections.
They advantage the organized and the hyper engaged.
I think it would help American politics if we standardized election days.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 12:02 PM (1kJuV)
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It’s also an odd 2nd term mid term given it’s not consecutive. Everything about Trump for better or worse doesn’t fit the historical mold.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at October 08, 2026 12:02 PM (T+9ay)
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I see a similar dynamic now. How many people turnout out for a rally in San Antonio and then decide voting is just not important
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Talarico, before he disappeared, was last seen begging Paxton for a debate and then resorted to posting a clip from February to fake rally enthusiasm.
Because that's what campaigns that are easily winning by 6% or more do.
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Talarico, before he disappeared, was last seen begging Paxton for a debate and then resorted to posting a clip from February to fake rally enthusiasm.
Because that's what campaigns that are easily winning by 6% or more do.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 08, 2026 12:02 PM (3cUTc)
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The youth never turn out. They really never turn out for midterms.
18-30 yo voters decline as a fraction of the vote from 14-18% to 10-12% in off year elections
Amusingly 2020 is the highest on record but I assume that's mostly due to the sheer number of fake ballots that year.
18-30 yo voters decline as a fraction of the vote from 14-18% to 10-12% in off year elections
Amusingly 2020 is the highest on record but I assume that's mostly due to the sheer number of fake ballots that year.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 08, 2026 12:03 PM (sKqQm)
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That would be the smart thing to do. So it won't happen.
The smart money will build refineries in a low regulation country like Bukele's El Salvadore. Get oil from the surrounding region, refine away!
The US is too broken to be recovered. Congress is the enemy of Western Civilization so for long term investment, do it outside of the country that literally hates you for existing.
The smart money will build refineries in a low regulation country like Bukele's El Salvadore. Get oil from the surrounding region, refine away!
The US is too broken to be recovered. Congress is the enemy of Western Civilization so for long term investment, do it outside of the country that literally hates you for existing.
Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 12:03 PM (nAS9C)
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44. These are yuge complexes that cost billions to develop and probably decades to complete.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
But provide valuable services, many skilled internal and/or contract jobs, and are job creators in many ways.
So many who've worked Philadelphia Energy Solutions (Philadelphia, PA), which closed permanently following a very strange major fire and subsequent bankruptcy prior to the pandemic, have become regional democratic politicians.
Tis fascinating (to me).
WHYY News Climate Desk
The PES refinery redeveloper signed a ‘community benefits commitment’ with 16 groups. Here’s what’s inside
The company has agreed to create a nonprofit to distribute at least $100,000 a year for community initiatives. Updated Oct. 22, 2024
In small part, "Sixteen community groups have agreed to support a “community benefits commitment” with HRP Group, owner of the former oil refinery site along the Schuylkill River, the company said."
Posted by: Elric The Blade
But provide valuable services, many skilled internal and/or contract jobs, and are job creators in many ways.
So many who've worked Philadelphia Energy Solutions (Philadelphia, PA), which closed permanently following a very strange major fire and subsequent bankruptcy prior to the pandemic, have become regional democratic politicians.
Tis fascinating (to me).
WHYY News Climate Desk
The PES refinery redeveloper signed a ‘community benefits commitment’ with 16 groups. Here’s what’s inside
The company has agreed to create a nonprofit to distribute at least $100,000 a year for community initiatives. Updated Oct. 22, 2024
In small part, "Sixteen community groups have agreed to support a “community benefits commitment” with HRP Group, owner of the former oil refinery site along the Schuylkill River, the company said."
Posted by: L - No nic... at October 08, 2026 12:04 PM (NFX2v)
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Amusingly 2020 is the highest on record but I assume that's mostly due to the sheer number of fake ballots that year.
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20 billion votes!
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20 billion votes!
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 12:04 PM (AKptf)
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Every single published public poll I have seen has talerico winning, some by as much as 9 points. That is statistically impossible here in Texas. There is no way any democrat can win a state wide election by 9 points. I saw a campaign poll released by paxton that has him winning by 4 points, that is about where I think the race will end up.
We are being gaslight and they are trying to keep republicans in Texas from voting.
Posted by: Mister Scott
Yep. Problem is that the media that carries these polls has close to single digit belief among GOP about them. I think these are aimed at the discouraging the GOP leaners more than the base. The problem for the Dems is that the GOP base has been growing faster than the Dems and in a number of 'swing' states as seen in CNN's coverage of all places.
We are being gaslight and they are trying to keep republicans in Texas from voting.
Posted by: Mister Scott
Yep. Problem is that the media that carries these polls has close to single digit belief among GOP about them. I think these are aimed at the discouraging the GOP leaners more than the base. The problem for the Dems is that the GOP base has been growing faster than the Dems and in a number of 'swing' states as seen in CNN's coverage of all places.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 12:04 PM (E4rtv)
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The fakenews is big on playing up decrepit 68 year old Karens in nowheresville Ohio and how they don't want data centers. They are all former three time Trump voters (and probably McKinley voters) concerned about their property values.
Bitch, your family moved there in the first place for some coal mine or factory.
Bitch, your family moved there in the first place for some coal mine or factory.
Posted by: 88C+u at October 08, 2026 12:05 PM (sDWtc)
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The youth never turn out. They really never turn out for midterms.
But every four years it's "the year of the YOUTH vote!"
The youth never turn out. They really never turn out for midterms.
But every four years it's "the year of the YOUTH vote!"
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2026 12:05 PM (Cqx++)
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Good rant, CBD. Thanks.
Posted by: L - No nic... at October 08, 2026 12:05 PM (NFX2v)
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18-30 yo voters decline as a fraction of the vote from 14-18% to 10-12% in off year elections
Amusingly 2020 is the highest on record but I assume that's mostly due to the sheer number of fake ballots that year.
Posted by: 18-1
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In Ohio, it is running below that. About 8-9 percent so far. And yutes are usually the ones that vote early by mailin requests, not early nor election day.
Amusingly 2020 is the highest on record but I assume that's mostly due to the sheer number of fake ballots that year.
Posted by: 18-1
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In Ohio, it is running below that. About 8-9 percent so far. And yutes are usually the ones that vote early by mailin requests, not early nor election day.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 12:06 PM (E4rtv)
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This race isn't going to be close, but Talarico will get about 45%.
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That was my take during the primary, when they were releasing polls showing him beating both Paxton and Cornyn.
Because Talarico's number was the same against either--that was his ceiling, not his floor.
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That was my take during the primary, when they were releasing polls showing him beating both Paxton and Cornyn.
Because Talarico's number was the same against either--that was his ceiling, not his floor.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 08, 2026 12:06 PM (3cUTc)
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The youth never turn out. They really never turn out for midterms.
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"Youth is a kind of infirmity." - James Gould Cozzens
The youth never turn out. They really never turn out for midterms.
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"Youth is a kind of infirmity." - James Gould Cozzens
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 08, 2026 12:07 PM (eRlcH)
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They are all former three time Trump voters (and probably McKinley voters) concerned about their property values.
Bitch, your family moved there in the first place for some coal mine or factory.
Posted by: 88C+u
They keep citing this but often media just puts on Democrats claiming to be GOP base voters again and again. You choose--gay or fake, fake or gay sort of coverage.
Bitch, your family moved there in the first place for some coal mine or factory.
Posted by: 88C+u
They keep citing this but often media just puts on Democrats claiming to be GOP base voters again and again. You choose--gay or fake, fake or gay sort of coverage.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 12:07 PM (E4rtv)
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We are being gaslight and they are trying to keep republicans in Texas from voting.
There are quite a number of state offices that are up for election too. It ain't just about Paxton and the do-nothing cardboard cut-out of a US Representative.
There are quite a number of state offices that are up for election too. It ain't just about Paxton and the do-nothing cardboard cut-out of a US Representative.
Posted by: Community Notes at October 08, 2026 12:08 PM (nAS9C)
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Perhaps President Trump can nationalize the recently closed refineries in California in the interest of national security.
Posted by: rickb223
Nationalizing won't remove the CA policies that lead to their closure, nor the selective regulatory enforcement. The operating costs of a refinery in CA will not change either. And, you're handing the next Dem administration a weapon to shut down other companies or allow forced sales to cronies. Bad idea all around.
Posted by: rickb223
Nationalizing won't remove the CA policies that lead to their closure, nor the selective regulatory enforcement. The operating costs of a refinery in CA will not change either. And, you're handing the next Dem administration a weapon to shut down other companies or allow forced sales to cronies. Bad idea all around.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 08, 2026 12:08 PM (nEUC6)
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201 They are all former three time Trump voters (and probably McKinley voters) concerned about their property values.
Bitch, your family moved there in the first place for some coal mine or factory.
Posted by: 88C+u
They keep citing this but often media just puts on Democrats claiming to be GOP base voters again and again. You choose--gay or fake, fake or gay sort of coverage.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 12:07 PM (E4rtv)
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There was that Republicans for Talarico group that became famous for all the right reasons.
The women who started it were literal Democrats who had long histories of working for Democrats.
It got shut down the next day after it was found out.
Bitch, your family moved there in the first place for some coal mine or factory.
Posted by: 88C+u
They keep citing this but often media just puts on Democrats claiming to be GOP base voters again and again. You choose--gay or fake, fake or gay sort of coverage.
Posted by: whig at October 08, 2026 12:07 PM (E4rtv)
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There was that Republicans for Talarico group that became famous for all the right reasons.
The women who started it were literal Democrats who had long histories of working for Democrats.
It got shut down the next day after it was found out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at October 08, 2026 12:08 PM (1kJuV)
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I would not discount that the 3-5 % of the "youth vote" (22-34)" that voted for Trump in 2024, thinking that he will give them unlimited free time, nirvana and Sidney Sweeney, and got very disappointed that he did not, will go and vote for you next red-green nazi du jour on the D ballot.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 12:08 PM (AKptf)
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It’s not just govt. that stopped refining from expanding. Blackrock and Bloomberg with their ESG bullshit closed off a lot of credit sources to refining for several years.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2026 12:09 PM (WXktp)
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Hmm. Estimates are that 75% of buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed since 10/7. Why are the Israelis so slack?
Hmm. Estimates are that 75% of buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed since 10/7. Why are the Israelis so slack?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 08, 2026 12:09 PM (eRlcH)
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This is the target audience for Abduls and Tallaricos. So we shall see.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2026 12:09 PM (AKptf)
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18-30 yo voters decline as a fraction of the vote from 14-18% to 10-12% in off year elections
Amusingly 2020 is the highest on record but I assume that's mostly due to the sheer number of fake ballots that year.
Posted by: 18-1
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And they're declining as a % of the population overall, especially among dems, who have kids at Euro levels.
Amusingly 2020 is the highest on record but I assume that's mostly due to the sheer number of fake ballots that year.
Posted by: 18-1
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And they're declining as a % of the population overall, especially among dems, who have kids at Euro levels.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 08, 2026 12:11 PM (JzUSu)
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