The Morning Rant

This week's Art Thread choices have been focused on the glories of motherhood. Yes...there has been a theme! And that theme has been the importance and, actually, the superiority of women in our culture.

Why superiority? Because the unique ability of women is the bearing and rearing of children, and that is the most important thing that humans do. Is that controversial? I certainly hope not. But among the post-modern, anti-family, anti-civilization progressive movement in the West, the concept of "Woman," and the positive aspects of children have been subsumed in a deluge of feminism (all five waves!), increasingly hedonistic sexual mores, economic pressures that force women into the workforce, and recently the ascientific nonsense about transsexualism and gender.

Aside from the obvious goal of making all of humanity cogs in the infernal socialist machine, and destroying our individuality, these movements have diluted the importance of womanhood by making us interchangeable. Women in the workforce? Great, because they are just like men! Women who choose not to have children because of their careers or their desire to be unencumbered? Fantastic! Just like men! Women who choose sexual "freedom" by rejecting traditional social mores (and probably innate drives) for having children? Super! Men have been like that...forever! And most ridiculous but no less dangerous is the laughable idea that a man can become a woman: a bit of surgery, some hormones, a forgiving tailor, and poof!

But these are society-killing trends because of the decrease in the number of children being born in the West. It is civilizational suicide, and we are being replaced by fecund third-world denizens who have no interest in individuality, or for that matter Western Culture.

That is the demographic crisis, but there is a cultural and emotional crisis that is just as destructive. By degrading the position of "Woman" in our culture from the pinnacle, we have diluted the entire concept of womanhood. The glory of child-bearing and rearing has become a perceived burden...one that interferes with the hedonism of a post-modern world.

That link between mother and child -- that hopefully the art of the past four days has illuminated -- has been minimized and degraded and trivialized. It is the most powerful human imperative and emotion, and one that should be celebrated and honored. Instead, our current culture maligns it and laughs at it and stigmatizes women who embrace it. And even worse, culture now says that anyone can bear and raise children. Men? Sure! Why not? The popular definition of a woman is apparently anyone who wants to be one...can be one!

Except...men can never be mothers. Sure, there are many (maybe most?) men who are wonderful fathers and who partner with their wives to create fine children. But the position of "mother" is one that can only be filled by women, because they are designed, by God or evolution or whatever you wish to think, to nurture and defend children in ways that men simply cannot do, or even fathom.

That is as it should be, because the innocence of children needs a defender from the vagaries of the world, And women are simply better at it than men. And we don't need art to show us this! Our world has innumerable examples of the innate superiority of women as mothers. Just wander down to the nearest park and watch the moms.

Or even better, watch the mothers in your life and how they nurture and defend the innocent. Because that is what children are...innocents. And God (or nature) has endowed mothers with exactly the tools to be their defenders, in ways that the rest of us cannot.

[Crossposted at CutJibNewsletter and X/Twitter]. If you folks who are on X/Twitter would follow us it would be much appreciated!

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:00 AM (ccf/V)

2 Nooded.

Posted by: Nazdar at September 10, 2026 11:00 AM (NcvvS)

3 Woah.....didn't expect that one.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:00 AM (ccf/V)

4 >> Some of us will never surrender. We prefer death on a pile of hot brass to submission to goat-molesting fanatics from Scumbagistan. But when the lieutenant governor of Minnesota or the governor of New York shows up in Muslim headgear so as not to offend the local Mohammedans, you know a slice of our society yearns to be handmaidens to the barbarians.

-Kurt Schlicter, How 9/11 Changed Everything

Posted by: Vengeance at September 10, 2026 11:02 AM (SqxZS)

5 Mother, you had me, but I didn't have you.
I wanted you, but you didn't want me.

Posted by: Zombie John Lennon at September 10, 2026 11:02 AM (Fn+3X)

6 Man, if this ever goes public, you will NEVER be allowed to be on the next Clancy jury!

Posted by: t-bird at September 10, 2026 11:04 AM (Be6wp)

7 Really sad to see Rich Baris of PPD, go to the darkside and join Bulwark. He was great in 2016, but then went off deep end.

Posted by: Jonah at September 10, 2026 11:06 AM (gwrBY)

8 Man, if this ever goes public, you will NEVER be allowed to be on the next Clancy jury!

Posted by: t-bird at September 10, 2026 11:04 AM (Be6wp)

Exactly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2026 11:06 AM (k5CNB)

9 Women are awesome. They're beautiful, usually.

They're the givers of life. It's an amazing gift they received from The Almighty.

What men were designed for is all for the women to build homes and families.

It's so sad society has moved away from that.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:06 AM (ccf/V)

10 SPONGE!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 11:06 AM (Rm1ix)

11 so this 25 year old veteran on the Jury, trashes the lone holdout. Punk

Posted by: Jonah at September 10, 2026 11:06 AM (gwrBY)

12 Or even better, watch the mothers in your life and how they nurture and defend the innocent

*laughs derisively*

My mother was the single most destructive force in my life from earliest memory. Nurture? Sure, if you mean inspiring suicidal self-hatred before I even hit puberty. So let's not go overboard with this women are inherently morally pure, gentle, loving and maternal beings rubbish. We're all born sinful. We need good women to be good mothers, no question. But this "superiority" nonsense is a bridge way too far.

Posted by: Correction but not overcorrection at September 10, 2026 11:07 AM (TbWk/)

13
They promote females while decrying femininity.
They defend mothers while despising motherhood.
They weaponize women to control women.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:07 AM (b+pJs)

14
MUNKEY

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 10, 2026 11:07 AM (iqcvy)

15 If it weren’t for Men, everyone would still be living in Caves. And if it weren’t for Women, everyone would still be living in Caves.

Posted by: Nome Sayin? at September 10, 2026 11:07 AM (60d+e)

16 Being a parent is the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.

But also the most rewarding.

These people choosing not to have kids because it's a "burden" don't understand that tradeoff.

Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:08 AM (77rzZ)

17 Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb?

https://youtu.be/o7MlC_Qrmmc

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:08 AM (dK+Kv)

18 Willowed.......ish.

I saw Wagyu Point open for Beef Jerky at Fry St. Fair in '93.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:08 AM (ccf/V)

19 >> Some of us will never surrender. We prefer death on a pile of hot brass to submission to goat-molesting fanatics from Scumbagistan. But when the lieutenant governor of Minnesota or the governor of New York shows up in Muslim headgear so as not to offend the local Mohammedans, you know a slice of our society yearns to be handmaidens to the barbarians.

-Kurt Schlicter, How 9/11 Changed Everything
Posted by: Vengeance at September 10, 2026 11:02 AM

I like the cut of this Schlicter guy's jib.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 11:08 AM (Rm1ix)

20 "Or even better, watch the mothers in your life and how they nurture and defend the innocent. Because that is what children are...innocents. And God (or nature) has endowed mothers with exactly the tools to be their defenders, in ways that the rest of us cannot."
___

I have the honor, the blessing, of being able to watch my daughter raise my granddaughters.

It is truly humbling.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 10, 2026 11:08 AM (iEpUd)

21 Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb?

https://youtu.be/o7MlC_Qrmmc
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:08 AM (dK+Kv)

Ugh.......such an overrated band.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:09 AM (ccf/V)

22 Morning.

Holy shit, the incels are mobilizing!

https://tinyurl.com/bdhvjcev

Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 11:09 AM (dpXJq)

23 Posted by: Correction but not overcorrection at September 10, 2026 11:07 AM (TbWk/)

Your shitty experience has nothing to do with what I wrote.

And I never wrote that women are morally pure.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2026 11:09 AM (k5CNB)

24 SPONGE!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 11:06 AM (Rm1ix)

*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:09 AM (ccf/V)

25 Being a parent is the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.

But also the most rewarding.

These people choosing not to have kids because it's a "burden" don't understand that tradeoff.
Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:08 AM (77rzZ)
___

Amen.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at September 10, 2026 11:09 AM (iEpUd)

26 White (Euro) white babies are now being born significantly fewer than the replacement late.
What policies and l at what cost should changed be made to reverse that trend ?
Posted by: Paul at September 10, 2026 11:08 AM

Wow. Paul asked a sensible, on-point question without making an ass of himself. Maybe there's hope.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 11:10 AM (Rm1ix)

27 So anyway I got home last night. Naturally, as one does after a long time working, I drank. But I am NOT hungover this morning.

How's everyone doing?

Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 11:10 AM (dpXJq)

28 Mother, tell your children not to walk my way.

https://youtu.be/vPzfKe_G4Ng

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:11 AM (dK+Kv)

29
Wow. Paul asked a sensible, on-point question without making an ass of himself. Maybe there's hope.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 11:10 AM (Rm1ix)

He's still a dick........

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at September 10, 2026 11:11 AM (ccf/V)

30 >>>Sure, there are many (maybe most?) men who are wonderful fathers and who partner with their wives to create fine children.

many (maybe most?)

I doubt it. I would go with:

Sure, there are men who are wonderful fathers and who partner with their wives to create fine children.

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:11 AM (odBC9)

31 How alarming is it that a jury couldn't convict a mother who planned the murder of her three children but another jury /judge had no problem convicting another mother who let her five year old walk around alone in the gated neighborhood?

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:11 AM (KC5Lt)

32
And I never wrote that women are morally pure.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2026 11:09 AM (k5CNB)

He's a smarty and read between the lines to gather what you MEANT, silly.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:12 AM (ccf/V)

33 From one of the female jurors in the clancy case:

“He had the hardest time getting over the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.”

I literally can't wrap my head around the kind of mentality that it takes to come up with a statement like that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 10, 2026 11:12 AM (I43vL)

34 CBD - Dropped some BBQ links for you @186 on Art Thread

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 10, 2026 11:12 AM (wVcYX)

35 Breasticles are a big part of the difference.

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:12 AM (odBC9)

36 -Kurt Schlicter, How 9/11 Changed Everything

Posted by: Vengeance at September 10, 2026 11:02 AM (SqxZS)

I loved this article. Full disclosure, I love most of what he writes.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 10, 2026 11:12 AM (PGK1w)

37 White (Euro) white babies are now being born significantly fewer than the replacement late.
What policies and l at what cost should changed be made to reverse that trend ?
Posted by: Paul at September 10, 2026 11:08 AM

Wow. Paul asked a sensible, on-point question without making an ass of himself. Maybe there's hope.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 11:10 AM (Rm1ix)

Yeah, but it's borderline incoherent. Is the Paki troll farm lowering its standards in English proficiency? Do better, troll farm. Do better.

Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (dpXJq)

38 I do find it really notable that the women on the jury were able to muster so much empathy for Clancy but none for her children.

Posted by: Bilwis - Wizard of Clwyd at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (r7+Q7)

39 Posted by: Correction but not overcorrection at September 10, 2026 11:07 AM (TbWk/)

My mother tormented those around her without respite including my good humble self and even tried to strangle me at 12, claiming that she would not let me turn out like my brother (who I'm nothing like btw - he's an abusive retard lib dummy, go figure).

But my father, who I love and miss dearly, let her.

So where does that put everyone.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (b+pJs)

40 Women are superior because they control or at least highly influence men. It was always a big lie of "feminism" that women were oppressed by men. Of course, the point of feminism wasn't to empower ladies. It was to empower leftwing oppression and communism.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (iFTx/)

41 He's a smarty and read between the lines to gather what you MEANT, silly.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:12 AM (ccf/V)

Yes. What I did write is that women are provided the tools. But they also have free will, so there is no guarantee.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (k5CNB)

42 Ugh.......such an overrated band.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:09 AM (ccf/V)

I dare you to post Queensrÿche.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:14 AM (dK+Kv)

43 Sure, there are men who are wonderful fathers and who partner with their wives to create fine children.
Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:11 AM (odBC9)

I would still venture, despite my total loss for humanity as a whole, in the US, there are many more good fathers and mothers than not, but the media chooses to amplify the bad as 'trend' and force others in that direction.

hollywood and the leftist media has been pushing to destroy the 'nuclear family' for generations.

It's what they do. It is the work of The Devil.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:14 AM (ccf/V)

44 Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (dpXJq)

It's a trap !

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:14 AM (KC5Lt)

45 33 From one of the female jurors in the clancy case:

“He had the hardest time getting over the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.”

I literally can't wrap my head around the kind of mentality that it takes to come up with a statement like that.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 10, 2026 11:12 AM (I43vL)

I believe the woman's words were:

“He had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.”

Which is maybe worse.

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:14 AM (odBC9)

46 Posted by: Count de Monet at September 10, 2026 11:12 AM (wVcYX)

Thank you!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2026 11:14 AM (k5CNB)

47 Mother should I trust the government

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:14 AM (b+pJs)

48
Morning.

Holy shit, the incels are mobilizing!

https://tinyurl.com/bdhvjcev
Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 11:09 AM (dpXJq)

Using an RC Panzer IV is unfortunate....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 10, 2026 11:15 AM (iqcvy)

49
I dare you to post Queensrÿche.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:14 AM (dK+Kv)

Challenge: Accepted

https://youtu.be/jhat-xUQ6dw

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:15 AM (ccf/V)

50 He's still a dick........
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at September 10, 2026 11:11 AM

"That goes without saying"

- Froederick Frankenstein

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 11:15 AM (Rm1ix)

51 Ugh.......such an overrated band.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:09 AM (ccf/V)

I dare you to post Queensrÿche.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:14 AM (dK+Kv)

https://youtu.be/MU6582h7aPk

Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 11:15 AM (dpXJq)

52 Six so-called Republican SoS sign on to block Trump’s USPS ballot changes.

Brad Raffensperger, Secretary of State of Georgia

Michael Adams, Secretary of State of Kentucky

Michael Howe, Secretary of State of North Dakota

Monae Johnson, Secretary of State of South Dakota

David Scanlan, Secretary of State of New Hampshire

Scott Schwab, Secretary of State of Kansas

Utah Lieutenant Governor Deidre Henderson

You want to know why we can’t have secure elections? There you go. Surrender monkeys.

Posted by: Vengeance at September 10, 2026 11:15 AM (SqxZS)

53 >>Aside from the obvious goal of making all of humanity cogs in the infernal socialist machine, and destroying our individuality, these movements have diluted the importance of womanhood by making us interchangeable. . . . .

Also included in this: women being relegated to baby incubators for primarily gay couples*. Our Left, who is s keen on insisting it is Christian traditionalists who most mirror their "Handmaid" fiction, are much more closely turning women into Handmaids with the new surrogacy boom. As if making poor women incubate babies for a big payout wasn't bad enough, they treat said babies as a product that can be trashed if it proves to be defective. This dehumanizes and cheapens what is a wonderous process, turning it into human manufacturing.
Ghoulish!!

*It's also a trend for heterosexual couples, such as older women who have aged out of babymaking)

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:16 AM (rOKnE)

54 But really, don't men actually make the best women?

According to some tranny somewhere.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2026 11:16 AM (2Cry5)

55 How alarming is it that a jury couldn't convict a mother who planned the murder of her three children but another jury /judge had no problem convicting another mother who let her five year old walk around alone in the gated neighborhood?

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:11 AM (KC5Lt)

I think what got her convicted was the fact that she sent him to the pond.

Of course, the kid (at 5) is already a competitive swimmer, so I don't see much risk there, but even that is beside the point.

The point is that we've deliberately created a society which sees ANY risk to children as something to be mitigated/condemned/avoided.

THAT is damaging people to an enormous degree, and we aren't even going to realize how badly for at least another generation.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 10, 2026 11:16 AM (PGK1w)

56 35 Breasticles are a big part of the difference.
Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:12 AM

You know about the cup sizes?

Posted by: Frank Costanza at September 10, 2026 11:17 AM (2Ez/1)

57 I believe the woman's words were:

“He had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.”

Which is maybe worse.

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:14 AM (odBC9)

You see, they are operating on a higher sympathetic plane, and you with your toxic masculinity cannot even begin to fathom their wisdom and their superiority to see things on that level, which is why they had to got tattle to a man to get things corrected.

F'ing Karens are a scourge.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:17 AM (dK+Kv)

58
Yes. What I did write is that women are provided the tools. But they also have free will, so there is no guarantee.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (k5CNB)

Free will is the clincher for just about everything.

I've had conversations with friends in the past where I say something about 'God's plan' or 'everything happens for a reason' and 'free will' to which he response with "Well, if my life has been according to God's will, then f*ck him. My free will allows me to say that because he's got a whole lot of explaining to do."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:17 AM (ccf/V)

59 Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:16 AM (rOKnE)

All the handmaiden liars can't wait for Sharia to topple every female they ever felt jealous of.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:17 AM (b+pJs)

60 My mother tormented those around her without respite including my good humble self and even tried to strangle me at 12, claiming that she would not let me turn out like my brother (who I'm nothing like btw - he's an abusive retard lib dummy, go figure).

But my father, who I love and miss dearly, let her.

So where does that put everyone.
==
Some women are stone cold killers. Look at the tik tok bitches. A good woman like a good man is a treasure.
rule 1 is rule 1 for a fucking reason.

Posted by: Rule 1 at September 10, 2026 11:17 AM (anL5R)

61 Brad Raffensperger, Secretary of State of Georgia

Michael Adams, Secretary of State of Kentucky

Michael Howe, Secretary of State of North Dakota

Monae Johnson, Secretary of State of South Dakota

David Scanlan, Secretary of State of New Hampshire

Scott Schwab, Secretary of State of Kansas

Utah Lieutenant Governor Deidre Henderson

You want to know why we can’t have secure elections? There you go. Surrender monkeys.
Posted by: Vengeance at September 10, 2026 11:15 AM (SqxZS)

THOSE guys are FAGZ!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at September 10, 2026 11:18 AM (ccf/V)

62 Posted by: Vengeance at September 10, 2026 11:15 AM (SqxZS)

Second comment that's off topic. Any chance you can talk about this stuff on your own blog and not threadjack this post?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2026 11:18 AM (k5CNB)

63 >>“He had the hardest time getting over the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.”

I literally can't wrap my head around the kind of mentality that it takes to come up with a statement like that.

- - -

I think her point was that he needed to get over the murders so that he could focus on the poor mother and her needs? Once again, the killer is the real victim, and we must help her. . . or something.

Moral sickness.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:19 AM (rOKnE)

64 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:15 AM (ccf/V)

I just wanted to watch you twitch.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:19 AM (dK+Kv)

65 Waiting for lunch time or parts

Women can be crazy radicals, even the Bolsheviks had some murderous women.

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2026 11:19 AM (5ZFmQ)

66 All this talk about the superiority of women and not a single mention of sammiches!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at September 10, 2026 11:19 AM (74zY1)

67 Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 10, 2026 11:16 AM (PGK1w)

I don't think she sent him to a pond but the pond was next to the feathers he hoped to collect. But you're right that everything is deemed a risk these days. I walked to school by myself when I was five. Yes it's a different time and that was in South Dakota but still.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:19 AM (KC5Lt)

68 39 Posted by: Correction but not overcorrection at September 10, 2026 11:07 AM (TbWk/)

My mother tormented those around her without respite including my good humble self and even tried to strangle me at 12, claiming that she would not let me turn out like my brother (who I'm nothing like btw - he's an abusive retard lib dummy, go figure).

But my father, who I love and miss dearly, let her.

So where does that put everyone.
Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (b+pJs)

Yeah that's shitty. That abuser/enabler dynamic is not uncommon in dysfunctional families, and it can seriously fuck with your head being the kid on the receiving end.

Posted by: Where it puts them I don't know at September 10, 2026 11:21 AM (TbWk/)

69
I just wanted to watch you twitch.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:19 AM (dK+Kv)

You cruel bastard.........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:21 AM (ccf/V)

70 All this talk about the superiority of women and not a single mention of sammiches!
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey

We're too busy thinking about CBD's brisket.

Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:21 AM (77rzZ)

71 The problem is there is room to have compassion for even the worst of the worst killer. Maybe not from our general human perch but that is after all the basis of Christianity. Christ forgave His own torturers and killers.

The problem is that truth is being weaponized by those who lack sufficient interest in God's existence, let alone His eternal wisdom.

The Marxists love nothing more than twisting God's truth for their own demonic ends.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:22 AM (b+pJs)

72 >>All the handmaiden liars can't wait for Sharia to topple every female they ever felt jealous of.

Rush Limbaugh's undeniable truth #24: “Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of American life.”

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:23 AM (rOKnE)

73 Women are superior because they control or at least highly influence men. It was always a big lie of "feminism" that women were oppressed by men. Of course, the point of feminism wasn't to empower ladies. It was to empower leftwing oppression and communism.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (iFTx/)

Agree 100%. The feminist movement from the gitgo was never about women. The same for global warming/climate change.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 10, 2026 11:23 AM (g8Ew8)

74
We're too busy thinking about CBD's brisket.
Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:21 AM (77rzZ)

I just want to know if he's inviting Polk Salad Annie to bring the greens.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:23 AM (ccf/V)

75 “He had the hardest time getting over the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.”

I literally can't wrap my head around the kind of mentality that it takes to come up with a statement like that.

- - -

I think her point was that he needed to get over the murders so that he could focus on the poor mother and her needs? Once again, the killer is the real victim, and we must help her. . . or something.

Moral sickness.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:19 AM (rOKnE)

Integral to that mindset is the idea that children, rather than being a blessing and a gift, are a burden that should be minimize for the Karen's fullest enjoyment of life.

Of course she ended those three lives, who wouldn't have those same desires?

It's bizarro world, but that is my best guess.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:23 AM (dK+Kv)

76 I was fortunate that my mom was the anti-Karen probably to a fault but i wouldn't change anything.

Those were the days when parents didn't automatically take the kid's side when the kid was out of line.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:23 AM (KC5Lt)

77 Of course, the point of feminism wasn't to empower ladies. It was to empower leftwing oppression and communism.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (iFTx/)

And they're the first ones to don the burka to appease their islhamist overlords.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:23 AM (ccf/V)

78
You want to know why we can’t have secure elections? There you go. Surrender monkeys.
Posted by: Vengeance at September 10, 2026 11:15 AM (SqxZS)

At least the Frogs have the DGSE thugs who sink hippy Greenpeace boats, and have the sense to have a Foreign Legion full of mercenary gangsters.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 10, 2026 11:24 AM (iqcvy)

79 You want to know why we can’t have secure elections? There you go. Surrender monkeys.
Posted by: Vengeance at September 10, 2026 11:15 AM (SqxZS)

Well, that would be concerning if anyone of those buffoons had a single ounce of control over the United States Postal Service, but since none of them do...meh...

Posted by: Boswell at September 10, 2026 11:24 AM (NTVPI)

80 We're too busy thinking about CBD's brisket.
Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:21 AM

Seriously. Did I read wagyu brisket?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 11:24 AM (Rm1ix)

81 We're too busy thinking about CBD's brisket.

Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:21 AM (77rzZ)

Are we not doing 'phrasing' anymore?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 10, 2026 11:24 AM (PGK1w)

82 71 The problem is there is room to have compassion for even the worst of the worst killer.
Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:22 AM (b+pJs)

Compassion but not adoration. The fandom is sick.

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:24 AM (odBC9)

83 We're too busy thinking about CBD's brisket.
Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:21 AM (77rzZ)

I just want to know if he's inviting Polk Salad Annie to bring the greens.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:23 AM (ccf/V)

Just make sure he bags his meat before it goes in you.

Posted by: I'm talking sous vide, you pervs at September 10, 2026 11:25 AM (TbWk/)

84 Thanks for your affirmation of good mothers CBD , and thanks to all the folks that didn't suggest that even all leftist women support Clancy. I think the internet magnifies angry voices and suggests everybody feels the same way about the Clancy case. I know a woman who's a mother and she is a Democrat voter . She's also in her early 70's and is appalled by Clancy and the jurors.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 10, 2026 11:25 AM (TMc8D)

85 Of course, the point of feminism wasn't to empower ladies. It was to empower leftwing oppression and communism.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (iFTx/)

And they're the first ones to don the burka to appease their islhamist overlords.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:23 AM (ccf/V)
_________

Yea. As I said before, they wear the burka so they don't have to wear the handmaid outfit.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:25 AM (iFTx/)

86 We're too busy thinking about CBD's brisket.

Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:21 AM (77rzZ)
-

I just finished grilling 2 scrumptious picanhas. Couldn't resist, so I ate a slice.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (74zY1)

87 great essay CBD!

Posted by: DanMan at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (8uzBS)

88 Refer to my comment this morning about the Lindsey Clancy prosecutors. They're not quite up to par, according to some of the "experts" on social media sites and some newz outlets.

One apparently resembles some of the women in the jury. The look. Screams cat lady. Or whatever. The other one's purportedly a tranny.

There are reports that the prosecution wasn't on the ball and seemed "lazy" during the trial. They very well may have been sympathetic to the accused. They certainly permitted a horrid jury pool to try the case.

YMMV

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (2Cry5)

89 The problem is there is room to have compassion for even the worst of the worst killer. Maybe not from our general human perch but that is after all the basis of Christianity. Christ forgave His own torturers and killers.

The problem is that truth is being weaponized by those who lack sufficient interest in God's existence, let alone His eternal wisdom.

The Marxists love nothing more than twisting God's truth for their own demonic ends.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:22 AM (b+pJs)

That is not a problem from the 9 Angry Karens perspective.

YOU are the problem, for failing to exercise (feminine) compassion, where the simple (masculine) goal was to analyze the expert testimony and factual evidence dispassionately and rationally conclude whether the admitted murderess was legally competent when she killed those three children.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (dK+Kv)

90 I had two mothers- one who died when my sister and I were very small and one who married our father and adopted us when we were still very young and raised us with our three brothers that she brought to the family.

Shortly before Mother died, I confessed to her that I sometimes felt guilty because I knew that E. must have loved us just as much as we loved our own babies, but I just couldn't remember her.
She said not to worry- when she died the first thing she would do would be to find her and by the time I joined them, they would be best friends.

Posted by: sal at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (f+FmA)

91 70 All this talk about the superiority of women and not a single mention of sammiches!
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey

We're too busy thinking about CBD's brisket.
Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:21 AM (77rzZ)

I hope he's going to make enough for everybody.

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (odBC9)

92 >>. . . But my father, who I love and miss dearly, let her.

So where does that put everyone.

Oh, so sorry to hear that -- it must have been so horrible!! That is a lot to overcome. Wow.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:27 AM (rOKnE)

93 88 Refer to my comment this morning about the Lindsey Clancy prosecutors. They're not quite up to par, according to some of the "experts" on social media sites and some newz outlets.

One apparently resembles some of the women in the jury. The look. Screams cat lady. Or whatever. The other one's purportedly a tranny.

There are reports that the prosecution wasn't on the ball and seemed "lazy" during the trial. They very well may have been sympathetic to the accused. They certainly permitted a horrid jury pool to try the case.

YMMV
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (2Cry5)

Do you know--I don't know: If there's a new trial, does that necessitate new prosecutors?

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:28 AM (odBC9)

94 I was fortunate that my mom was the anti-Karen probably to a fault but i wouldn't change anything.

Those were the days when parents didn't automatically take the kid's side when the kid was out of line.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:23 AM (KC5Lt)

Those days still exist, but it is an uphill battle, for sure.

We refer to those instances as the mother failing to unlatch.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:28 AM (dK+Kv)

95 Compassion but not adoration. The fandom is sick.

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:24 AM (odBC9)

Yes. Highly trenchant.

Lot of it going around. The day you discover it's not just "political", that it's not just Kirk or some insurance CEO they want dead, but children of 5, 3, and not 1, that's the day you say maybe it's time to get right with your Maker.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:28 AM (b+pJs)

96 Posted by: sal at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (f+FmA)

Awesome mom .

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:29 AM (KC5Lt)

97 The problem is there is room to have compassion for even the worst of the worst killer.
==
To me this is a category error. The issue is whether she has responsibility, or not, for her actions. You can be compassionate for SENTENCING. First you convict, the let the Judge, and possibly the governor sort the rest of it out. Compassion doesn't mean you are excused of responsibility. You still face the music. We put you in a nice jail for a long time.

Posted by: YMMV and that's okay at September 10, 2026 11:29 AM (anL5R)

98 90 I had two mothers- one who died when my sister and I were very small and one who married our father and adopted us when we were still very young and raised us with our three brothers that she brought to the family.

Shortly before Mother died, I confessed to her that I sometimes felt guilty because I knew that E. must have loved us just as much as we loved our own babies, but I just couldn't remember her.
She said not to worry- when she died the first thing she would do would be to find her and by the time I joined them, they would be best friends.
Posted by: sal at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (f+FmA)

Nice!

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:29 AM (odBC9)

99 But my father, who I love and miss dearly, let her.

So where does that put everyone.
Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:13 AM (b+pJs)

Glad you triumphed!

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:30 AM (dK+Kv)

100
Yea. As I said before, they wear the burka so they don't have to wear the handmaid outfit.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:25 AM (iFTx/)

Which no one has required them to wear.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:30 AM (ccf/V)

101 100

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:30 AM (odBC9)

102 Word to your mutha, CBD!

Posted by: Inogame at September 10, 2026 11:30 AM (53oGX)

103 “He had the hardest time getting over the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.”

I literally can't wrap my head around the kind of mentality that it takes to come up with a statement like that.

We know it's crazy. I think the reason it's being reported- and this would NEVER have been reported on before Trump- is to wake up the Dems.

Posted by: t-bird at September 10, 2026 11:30 AM (Be6wp)

104 Refer to my comment this morning about the Lindsey Clancy prosecutors. They're not quite up to par, according to some of the "experts" on social media sites and some newz outlets.

One apparently resembles some of the women in the jury. The look. Screams cat lady. Or whatever. The other one's purportedly a tranny.

There are reports that the prosecution wasn't on the ball and seemed "lazy" during the trial. They very well may have been sympathetic to the accused. They certainly permitted a horrid jury pool to try the case.

YMMV
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (2Cry5)
___________

1. Awful jury selection. Prosecutors sat a jury that had no chance -- ever -- of reaching a guilty verdict. Yes, I know: prosecutors don't always get the jury they want. But this jury might as well have been hand picked by the defense. No excuse for that.

2. Inexplicable trial strategy. As I said before, the prosecution witnesses all lined up to praise LC for being a "good mother," for "loving her kids," and other obsequious ball-licking. WTF? You can't win a prosecution if your witnesses basically testify for the defense.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:32 AM (iFTx/)

105 Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:27 AM (rOKnE)

Thanks Lizzy! I guess when you put it like that it is. Everyone has their cross to bear, I suppose. When I want to piss off Brit Lass i tell her she's just like her. 😀

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:32 AM (b+pJs)

106 Sure, The Lord forgives.

However, if you do not beg for mercy and ask for forgiveness from deep within your heart, He knows and will banish you to Hell for eternity.

Everyone seems to think they can just 'ask for forgiveness' and enter The Kingdom.

Uh.....it's not that simple.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:32 AM (ccf/V)

107 >>The problem is there is room to have compassion for even the worst of the worst killer.

That's what prison ministry is for (not being sarcastic).

Those crazy ladies on the jury thought that THEY could save Clancy. No. You are not Jesus, stay in your lanes.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:33 AM (rOKnE)

108 RIP Barry Melrose.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 10, 2026 11:34 AM (+mpku)

109 In the sequence of God's creation, the steps go from simple to complex. Light and dark. Heavens and Earth. Seas and dry land. As He moves through the creation of plants, fish, birds, and animals it is building to a crescendo: mankind, created in the image of the Trinity.
And what comes last?
Woman.
She's is the most complex and the most beautiful.
She is the pinnacle of all creation.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at September 10, 2026 11:34 AM (2Ez/1)

110 Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:30 AM (dK+Kv)

You're a real pal.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:34 AM (b+pJs)

111 >>When I want to piss off Brit Lass i tell her she's just like her. 😀

Oh, d@mn, that's a killshot, lol.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:34 AM (rOKnE)

112 Just found out that a wonderful friend of ours' dog has a cancerous lump. They'll surgically remove it, but don't know whether it's spread, or localized.

FFS........F*ck 2026 and F*ck cancer.........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:34 AM (ccf/V)

113 The problem is there is room to have compassion for even the worst of the worst killer.

That's what prison ministry is for (not being sarcastic).

Those crazy ladies on the jury thought that THEY could save Clancy. No. You are not Jesus, stay in your lanes.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:33 AM (rOKnE)

What? Of course we aren't. Jesus was just another Christofascist white male oppressor.

Posted by: Crazy ladies on the jury at September 10, 2026 11:35 AM (TbWk/)

114 RIP Barry Melrose.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 10, 2026 11:34 AM (+mpku)

The best broadcast mullet ever.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:35 AM (ccf/V)

115 So.
No prize for me.

Posted by: RI Red at September 10, 2026 11:35 AM (Edxq2)

116 104
2. Inexplicable trial strategy. As I said before, the prosecution witnesses all lined up to praise LC for being a "good mother," for "loving her kids," and other obsequious ball-licking. WTF? You can't win a prosecution if your witnesses basically testify for the defense.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:32 AM (iFTx/)

Maybe another sort of category error: The prosecution's job was not to weigh in on the good or bad of the mother, but on the murder.

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:35 AM (odBC9)

117 You're a real pal.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:34 AM (b+pJs)

Thanks, buddy.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:35 AM (dK+Kv)

118 That link between mother and child -- that hopefully the art of the past four days has illuminated

That picture this morning is going to be hard to beat. It would have chased the demons out of the jurors had they been forced to deliberate in its presence.

Posted by: t-bird at September 10, 2026 11:35 AM (Be6wp)

119 Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:32 AM (iFTx/)

I reluctantly have to agree even though I think it was so cute and dry that Lancelot Link, monkey prosecutor could get a conviction.

I think their error was not focusing on what it takes to get a not guilty by insanity defense. It's my understanding that if the defendant knew without a doubt what they did was wrong then the insanity defense is moot.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:36 AM (KC5Lt)

120 You're a real pal.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:34 AM (b+pJs)

Thanks, buddy.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:35 AM (dK+Kv

I'm not your buddy, champ.

Posted by: Trying to get something started at September 10, 2026 11:36 AM (TbWk/)

121 90 She said not to worry- when she died the first thing she would do would be to find her and by the time I joined them, they would be best friends.
Posted by: sal at September 10, 2026 11:26 AM (f+FmA)

There I go getting verklempt again. My mother would have been 103 today but died at 82 years young. The older I get the more I realize how blessed I was to have the parents I did.

Posted by: TxAnn at September 10, 2026 11:36 AM (SjAWL)

122
And I never wrote that women are morally pure.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2026 11:09 AM (k5CNB)

I see women in line for Confession and I wonder, "What could you possibly be here for?" I have no insight in that matter. Men? Everyone knows what they're in line to confess.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 10, 2026 11:36 AM (eRlcH)

123
Seriously. Did I read wagyu brisket?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 11:24 AM (Rm1ix)

It IS how the 'other half' lives.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:37 AM (ccf/V)

124 She is the pinnacle of all gladiator movies.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at September 10, 2026 11:37 AM (eWmxW)

125 Maybe another sort of category error: The prosecution's job was not to weigh in on the good or bad of the mother, but on the murder.

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:35 AM (odBC9)

The murder was conceded. The acts were admitted. The only question was whether she was legally competent. I am with the Blade. You don't start by building up the murderer as a good person. The theme should have been how calculating and manipulative she was, because no rational juror wants to be manipulated.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:38 AM (dK+Kv)

126 2. Inexplicable trial strategy. As I said before, the prosecution witnesses all lined up to praise LC for being a "good mother," for "loving her kids," and other obsequious ball-licking. WTF? You can't win a prosecution if your witnesses basically testify for the defense.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:32 AM (iFTx/)

Maybe another sort of category error: The prosecution's job was not to weigh in on the good or bad of the mother, but on the murder.
Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:35 AM (odBC9)

Hold it!

Posted by: Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney at September 10, 2026 11:38 AM (TbWk/)

127 I've noted this before, but women were fed a bill of goods that men were keeping all kinds of fulfillment and joy away from women by preventing them from being in the workplace.

So women DEMANDED that they be allowed into the workforce and not "forced" to stay at home with babies.

And they are now, as a whole, far more stressed, far less happy, and have far fewer children... while the increase in available workers has held down wages, so living on a single income is also far harder... making more women have to work and become far more stressed, far less happy, and have far fewer children...

Gee. It's almost as if taking on the curse of men in addition to the curse of women was a bad idea!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at September 10, 2026 11:38 AM (N1tpc)

128 The best broadcast mullet ever.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer

Damn straight.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 10, 2026 11:38 AM (+mpku)

129
I'm not your buddy, champ.

Posted by: Trying to get something started at September 10, 2026 11:36 AM (TbWk/)

It's 'guy.' I'm not your buddy GUY......

I'm not your guy friend.......

I'm not your friend buddy.......

etcetera etcetera.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:39 AM (ccf/V)

130 From one of the female jurors in the clancy case:

“He had the hardest time getting over the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.”

I literally can't wrap my head around the kind of mentality that it takes to come up with a statement like that.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 10, 2026 11:12 AM (I43vL)

That's because you are not a Superior Being who has risen above the muddy wallow of the common herd and can discern the bright and glittering soul inside the monstrous and horrible child murder, and forgive all.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 10, 2026 11:39 AM (iJfKG)

131 I'm not your buddy, champ.
Posted by: Trying to get something started at September 10, 2026 11:36 AM (TbWk/)

------------

I'm not your champ, sport.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 10, 2026 11:39 AM (2UnvF)

132 122 Men? Everyone knows what they're in line to confess.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 10, 2026 11:36 AM (eRlcH)

wrath, greed, pride, envy, sloth, lust, and/or gluttony

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 11:39 AM (odBC9)

133
Damn straight.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 10, 2026 11:38 AM (+mpku)

F*ck Parkinson's too.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:39 AM (ccf/V)

134 Powerful words, cBD. Thanks.

Yet another aspect of all this to consider is the all too common notion that a woman can raise a child on her own, outside of marriage. This creates the false belief that the child can fulfill all of the mother's need for love, unconditional love. When that child fails to meet that expectation, what does the single mom do? Have another baby? Smother the first baby with overweening attention? Smother that first baby with a blanket for rejecting her? Look for love in all the wrong places? That expectation of unconditional love is a horrible burden to put on a child.

Posted by: muldoon at September 10, 2026 11:39 AM (qgHp7)

135 The Left always pick the worst of the worst cases to fuck with everyone's head.

Like if this woman flipped out, attacked the husband, killed one kid, cut herself, jumped and paralyzed her own ass, could I buy psychosis? Yeah I think I could. Does that mean I wouldn't want her "punished"? Maybe. That's the point of psychosis. We know it's a legitimate thing that happens to people and we used to lock those people away, not in cell block C.

But this thing... this is a horse of a most different and agonizing color.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:39 AM (b+pJs)

136 "Well, if my life has been according to God's will, then f*ck him. My free will allows me to say that because he's got a whole lot of explaining to do."
Posted by: Sponge
=======
I don't think your friend will like the Book of Job very much but his answer lies in it.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:40 AM (E4rtv)

137 And they are now, as a whole, far more stressed, far less happy, and have far fewer children... while the increase in available workers has held down wages, so living on a single income is also far harder... making more women have to work and become far more stressed, far less happy, and have far fewer children...

Gee. It's almost as if taking on the curse of men in addition to the curse of women was a bad idea!
==
But we have twice as many workers to tax!!!

Posted by: Your super helpful Government at September 10, 2026 11:40 AM (anL5R)

138
And what comes last?
Woman.
She's is the most complex and the most beautiful.
She is the pinnacle of all creation.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty

OW, my rib!

Posted by: Adam at September 10, 2026 11:40 AM (Cqx++)

139 Blame the attorney all you like.

The bitch admitted to tricking her husband into leaving for long enough for her to murder the three kids.

It's black letter premeditated murder.

The jury is to blame.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice's at September 10, 2026 11:40 AM (BI5O2)

140 130
That's because you are not a Superior Being who has risen above the muddy wallow of the common herd and can discern the bright and glittering soul inside the monstrous and horrible child murder, and forgive all.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 10, 2026 11:39 AM (iJfKG)

=======

So...the uberfrau.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:40 AM (qE8uT)

141 I don't think your friend will like the Book of Job very much but his answer lies in it.
Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:40 AM (E4rtv)

Yep.

I tell him all the time I'm being tested, as is the First Lady, but we persist, move forward and just keep living as we can.

I don't know why......but there it is.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:41 AM (ccf/V)

142 >>What? Of course we aren't. Jesus was just another Christofascist white male oppressor.
Posted by: Crazy ladies on the jury

Heh.

What's sad is that the progressives, exhibit A being that weirdo Tallerico, think they are better than the "judgmental" Jesus. They have to reinterpret (and take out of context) the scripture for modern times because they are more compassionate than God and Jesus. They care MORE you guyz!!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2026 11:42 AM (rOKnE)

143 So...the uberfrau.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:40 AM (qE8uT)

Sounds like a microbrew.

Posted by: Try new Uberfrau IPA, extra bitter at September 10, 2026 11:42 AM (TbWk/)

144 Ok

Enough of this. I've got to get some work done.

Be excellent to each other. Except Sid. He earns ridicule.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:42 AM (ccf/V)

145 Men? Everyone knows what they're in line to confess.
Posted by: Hadrian

wrath, greed, pride, envy, sloth, lust, and/or gluttony
Posted by: m

Dammit, I usually bring my list with me. Now I have to get back in line...

Posted by: t-bird at September 10, 2026 11:42 AM (Be6wp)

146 Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:38 AM (dK+Kv)

If - hypothetical - if - the prosecution fucked up that bad - then I can't sincerely blame any juror. A juror's job is not to decide shit is proven if it's not.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:42 AM (b+pJs)

147 I don't know why......but there it is.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:41 AM (ccf/V)

Ours is not to reason why...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 10, 2026 11:44 AM (PGK1w)

148 As a parent, what she did was unpardonable, unforgivable and not understandable at any level of analysis.

The lone holdout did an mans job and should be get a freaking Roman Triumph in his honor.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 10, 2026 11:44 AM (XV/Pl)

149 don't know why......but there it is.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 10, 2026 11:41 AM (ccf/V)

Ours is not to reason why...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 10, 2026 11:44 AM (PGK1w)

Ours is but to drink Bud Dry

Posted by: Throwback Thursday at September 10, 2026 11:45 AM (TbWk/)

150 It's black letter premeditated murder.

The jury is to blame.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice's at September 10, 2026 11:40 AM (BI5O2)

Both can be true, but yeah. The one juror admitted that many of the jurors were headlong for acquittal from the beginning, even before hearing any evidence or testimony. They were derelict in their duty.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:46 AM (dK+Kv)

151 Under the Constitution of Mongolia and the Law on Encouraging Mothers Who Have Given Birth to and Raised Many Children, President of Mongolia Khurelsukh Ukhnaa decreed to confer the Order of Maternal Glory to mothers, in celebration of the upcoming International Children’s Day.

This year, a total of 14,480 mothers across the country will receive First- and Second-Class Order of Maternal Glory.

Among today’s recipients, most are 34–39 years old, with the youngest being 22.
The President underlined that the Order of Maternal Glory symbolizes a mother’s boundless love and dedication to her children’s well-being, and expressed heartfelt gratitude to all recipients.

https://tinyurl.com/2nr87c4d

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 11:46 AM (C0oZI)

152 My mom had that painting framed and hanging in our living room when we (myself and six siblings) were growing up. She's 107 and still living, going to visit her today. She still likes to have a glass of wine and a bit of popcorn now and then.

Posted by: Giles Overreach at September 10, 2026 11:47 AM (cOor7)

153 As a parent, what she did was unpardonable, unforgivable and not understandable at any level of analysis.

The lone holdout did an mans job and should be get a freaking Roman Triumph in his honor.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 10, 2026 11:44 AM (XV/Pl)

Shouldn't he be shamed and hounded for not knowing his place and bending the knee to all those superior women?

Posted by: Sarcasm with extra sarcasm at September 10, 2026 11:47 AM (TbWk/)

154 The prosecution didn't give the lone juror anything to hang his hat on when debating the case with the other jurors .

Maybe I'm just incorrect in the legal definition of what it takes to be deemed not guilty via temporary insanity.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:47 AM (KC5Lt)

155 I think their error was not focusing on what it takes to get a not guilty by insanity defense. It's my understanding that if the defendant knew without a doubt what they did was wrong then the insanity defense is moot.
Posted by: polynikes

Not quite. Mass has a rather stupid state standard set in Commonwealth v. McHoul (1967) where once the burden of proof by showing the judge that a defense of not guilty by reason of insanity is reasonable, then the STATE has the burden of proof to show beyond a reasonable doubt that person was sane enough to comprehend their actions and decided to do it anyway in going forward with the murders at the time when the murders happened. Comes from the idiots at the Model Penal Code project.

M'Naughten std from the 1800's British law, on the other hand, requires a defendant has to prove insanity under the clear and convincing evidence std (highest in civil law) that the defendant was insane at the time of the murder. Most states follow some form of M'Naughten test. A few allow a guilty but insane verdict which commits the person to a mental hospital to serve out their sentence. Personally, I think this is the way.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:47 AM (E4rtv)

156 And, to extend CBD's point, that women are superior and nurturing is exactly why the Clancy rhubarb exemplifies our cultural crisis, the rotten core of American modernity.

Women need to reclaim their rightful place, and demand men do the same. Teaching American values of self-reliance and self-improvement, freedom, and civic responsibility to small children is infinitely superior than teaching "empathy" and "tolerance".

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 10, 2026 11:48 AM (GMf4a)

157
Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:11 AM (KC5Lt)

I think what got her convicted was the fact that she sent him to the pond.

Of course, the kid (at 5) is already a competitive swimmer, so I don't see much risk there, but even that is beside the point.

The point is that we've deliberately created a society which sees ANY risk to children as something to be mitigated/condemned/avoided.

THAT is damaging people to an enormous degree, and we aren't even going to realize how badly for at least another generation.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 10, 2026 11:16 AM (PGK1w)

Especially when a 5 year old autistic kid just drowned in a pond b/c both parents purposely provided the kid the opportunity to do so...

I would not have convicted mom or even charged mom. But, a 5 year old is not allowed to go to a pool alone. Normally, you must be able to swim and be 9 in my area. And a pool has lifeguards - a pond doesn't.

So, a rethink on sending an older buddy (b/c he had siblings) or sending him where there was no possible water was probably a better idea...

I let my kids roam...but I always did it in stages to get neighbors used to it...

Posted by: Nova Local at September 10, 2026 11:49 AM (tOcjL)

158 If - hypothetical - if - the prosecution fucked up that bad - then I can't sincerely blame any juror. A juror's job is not to decide shit is proven if it's not.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:42 AM (b+pJs)

You can. See 150. They were predetermined to acquit, and they browbeat the rest of the jurors for an acquittal.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:49 AM (dK+Kv)

159 I miss my mom. She passed away when I was a teen. She had her faults, but she taught me how to be a gentleman.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2026 11:49 AM (2WIwB)

160 The glory of child-bearing and rearing has become a perceived burden...one that interferes with the hedonism of a post-modern world.

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Perfectly stated

Posted by: vmom deport deport stab deport at September 10, 2026 11:49 AM (EGSGm)

161 This is hateful fascistic racist transphobic speech!!!!

Men too can have kids. And children are gross anyway.

Posted by: AWFLs at September 10, 2026 11:49 AM (Y08do)

162 154 The prosecution didn't give the lone juror anything to hang his hat on when debating the case with the other jurors .
Posted by: polynikes

FWIW, only the hags have spoken and I don't think they are credible in anyway. And what's worse, they admitted that they followed a nurse's tales in the jury room over pharmacology rather than the evidence presented at trial which is juror misconduct that could and should warrant a contempt of court for that misconduct.

This is the shit show that blue states have sunk to. Third world justice based on tribal identities rather than justice.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:50 AM (E4rtv)

163 155 Not quite. Mass has a rather stupid state standard set in Commonwealth v. McHoul (1967) where once the burden of proof by showing the judge that a defense of not guilty by reason of insanity is reasonable, then the STATE has the burden of proof to show beyond a reasonable doubt that person was sane enough to comprehend their actions and decided to do it anyway in going forward with the murders at the time when the murders happened. Comes from the idiots at the Model Penal Code project.

M'Naughten std from the 1800's British law, on the other hand, requires a defendant has to prove insanity under the clear and convincing evidence std (highest in civil law) that the defendant was insane at the time of the murder. Most states follow some form of M'Naughten test. A few allow a guilty but insane verdict which commits the person to a mental hospital to serve out their sentence. Personally, I think this is the way.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:47 AM (E4rtv)

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Sounds like it's the judge's fault for allowing the stupid standard to apply in this case.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:50 AM (qE8uT)

164 while the increase in available workers has held down wages, so living on a single income is also far harder... making more women have to work and become far more stressed, far less happy
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There is a school of thought that a significant portion of the "women's rights" were a kind of op, or manipulation of mass opinion for "other purposes" as it were.

It's difficult to believe but there was a time in America where a single breadwinner could earn enough income in a unskilled labor job to support a family. Not in "high style", but he could purchase a home, buy a car, and maybe get a vacation once in a while. Mom stayed home with the kids. There were millions of middle class neighborhoods like this.

Delivering Milk, the Milkman. Or at a meatpacking house. Or a foundry worker. Loggers, miners, boilermakers, welders, factory assemblers. All that has been hollowed out through overseas "free trade"; and at the same time, millions of unskilled laborers have driven wages stagnant since the 1970s.

Doubling the number of people in the workforce effectively quashed wages as well. Now you see parents trying to work two jobs, and pay for day care at the same time.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 10, 2026 11:50 AM (X/q9i)

165 Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:47 AM (E4rtv)

My point yesterday is that even with the higher burden of proof (that she was sane beyond a reasonable doubt) the case was still open and shut.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 10, 2026 11:50 AM (Y/06r)

166
The man who allowed those idiots on the jury is to blame.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 11:50 AM (C0oZI)

167 I'd honestly be a bit surprised if the state makes an effort to try Clancy again. They apparently are borderline incompetents at the prosecutor's office there, so what would be the reason to go through this shit yet again?

The woman's got a miserable existence moving forward. I figure she'll finish herself off in the next several months.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2026 11:51 AM (2Cry5)

168 Woman.
She's is the most complex and the most beautiful.
She is the pinnacle of all creation.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at September 10, 2026 11:34 AM (2Ez/1)

Did your wife make you write that? Is she holding you hostage? Blink twice for yes.

Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 11:51 AM (dpXJq)

169 164 It's difficult to believe but there was a time in America where a single breadwinner could earn enough income in a unskilled labor job to support a family. Not in "high style", but he could purchase a home, buy a car, and maybe get a vacation once in a while. Mom stayed home with the kids. There were millions of middle class neighborhoods like this.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 10, 2026 11:50 AM (X/q9i)

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Kevin's dad in Home Alone was the sole breadwinner in the family, and he owned that house with that many kids and took his extended family to Paris for a Christmas vacation.

I suspect he's actually a crack dealer.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:52 AM (qE8uT)

170 'm not your buddy, champ.
Posted by: Trying to get something started at September 10, 2026 11:36 AM (TbWk/)

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I'm not your champ, sport.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 10, 2026 11:39 AM (2UnvF)

I am not your sport, hoss!

Posted by: runner at September 10, 2026 11:52 AM (AKptf)

171 Both can be true, but yeah. The one juror admitted that many of the jurors were headlong for acquittal from the beginning, even before hearing any evidence or testimony. They were derelict in their duty.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:46 AM (dK+Kv)

They Couldn't Understand Normal (jury) Training.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 10, 2026 11:52 AM (wVcYX)

172 154 The prosecution didn't give the lone juror anything to hang his hat on when debating the case with the other jurors .
Posted by: polynikes
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The prosecution was way too sympathetic to the killer, in the short clips I saw. In her summation, the prosecutor even acknowledged how terrible the events were for the defendant, instead of condemning her and demanding her imprisonment.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 10, 2026 11:53 AM (GMf4a)

173 158 If - hypothetical - if - the prosecution fucked up that bad - then I can't sincerely blame any juror. A juror's job is not to decide shit is proven if it's not.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:42 AM (b+pJs)

You can. See 150. They were predetermined to acquit, and they browbeat the rest of the jurors for an acquittal.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder

Ellipsis, from legal observers on the trial, the prosecution put forth a case based on logic and facts while the jurors were already trying to browbeat other jurors apparently even before deliberations began by one juror (the anonymous female that supported the holdout). That again is juror misconduct. You cannot deliberate anything on the case before being formally charged with jury instructions and paying attention to the trial.

I suspect too that at least one maybe more were googling shit on the case outside of the evidence presented.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:53 AM (E4rtv)

174 How can one who murders another in cold blood be sane?
She murdered the babies.
She is a murderer.
Time to go, Clancy.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 11:53 AM (C0oZI)

175 The glory of child-bearing and rearing has become a perceived burden...one that interferes with the hedonism of a post-modern world.

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Perfectly stated
Posted by: vmom deport deport stab deport at September 10, 2026 11:49 AM

I'm right here, you know.

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at September 10, 2026 11:53 AM (Rm1ix)

176 167 I'd honestly be a bit surprised if the state makes an effort to try Clancy again. They apparently are borderline incompetents at the prosecutor's office there, so what would be the reason to go through this shit yet again?

The woman's got a miserable existence moving forward. I figure she'll finish herself off in the next several months.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2026 11:51 AM (2Cry5)

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I suspect that the case was considered easy and relatively low priority by the DA's office when it first came to them, so they gave it to fat DEI hire because no way could she screw it up.

Then she screwed up on every single stage of things and turned an open and shut murder trial into a national controversy.

If the DA's office does it again...it'll be with another attorney.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:53 AM (qE8uT)

177 Her actions were cold, calculated and pre-meditated, she was sane and of sound, if evil, mind when she perpetrated those heinous acts.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 10, 2026 11:53 AM (XV/Pl)

178 Salient point CBD AND I can't argue with your points! How rare!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 10, 2026 11:53 AM (MYzks)

179 I'd also like to see the jury instructions. They are often overlooked but they are absolutely critical to the case.

The jury's job is to apply their opinions of the evidence to the "law" as instructed by the judge.

If the judge instructs the jury, "You are to find the defendant not guilty if she wears a revealing dress," and the defendant one day wears a mini with a heavy drop top, then the jury is to apply that to the (obviously nonsensical) instruction and acquit.

MA also appears to have a broader "insanity defense" that is more favorable to the defense than the majority of other states. MA does not follow the classic "M'Naghten rule."

No, I'm not defending the jury verdict in this case. At least one of the jurors was an insane Karen that never should have been on the jury. (The one that gave that interview.) But without knowing the full jury instructions, I can't evaluate the other jurors as to whether they conceivably did their job or not.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:54 AM (iFTx/)

180 You can. See 150. They were predetermined to acquit, and they browbeat the rest of the jurors for an acquittal.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 11:49 AM (dK+Kv)

But if the prosecution was so incompetent, you and I can't say for certain what people would do had they proven their case. We can surmise. We can have our opinion. Hell we can "know" in ourselves.

But it was the prosecutions job to present the compelling case.

Without it I can't safely blame anyone for acquitting short of them explicitly announcing nothing would ever change their mind. They didn't get the chance to have their mind changed.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:54 AM (b+pJs)

181 172 The prosecution was way too sympathetic to the killer, in the short clips I saw. In her summation, the prosecutor even acknowledged how terrible the events were for the defendant, instead of condemning her and demanding her imprisonment.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 10, 2026 11:53 AM (GMf4a)

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Fat DEI hire wants to kill her own kids someday, probably.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:54 AM (qE8uT)

182 I'm not your buddy, champ.
Posted by: Trying to get something started at September 10, 2026 11:36 AM (TbWk/)

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I'm not your champ, sport.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 10, 2026 11:39 AM (2UnvF)

I'm not your turd, asshole.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 10, 2026 11:54 AM (g8Ew8)

183 159 I miss my mom. She passed away when I was a teen. She had her faults, but she taught me how to be a gentleman.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2026 11:49 AM (2WIwB)

{bro hug}. Miss mine, too. Just one more hug.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 10, 2026 11:54 AM (N39Ws)

184 Now one thing that will strike someone as significant if you read period articles from the "social planners" in the 1950s and 1960s was how strong the middle class was in America. Most countries are starkly divided. The very rich and wealthy, and abject poverty, no in between. None.

The "experts" allowed that Americans had a strong belief in God, generally, and a robust church attendance. And the family unit was going to be a tough nut to crack.

"Well, it worked, didn't it?" Harry Reid. They have successfully decimated the strong family unit, single breadwinner employment, and Motherhood. Church attendance? I'm sure it has cratered. What's left is whack job purple haired lunatics bitching at me about my lawnmower is destroying the planet.

It's all so painfully obvious if you know what you're looking at, and it cannot be unseen.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 10, 2026 11:54 AM (X/q9i)

185 Inexplicable trial strategy. As I said before, the prosecution witnesses all lined up to praise LC for being a "good mother," for "loving her kids," and other obsequious ball-licking. WTF? You can't win a prosecution if your witnesses basically testify for the defense.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:32 AM (iFTx/)

I watched a few testimonies, and I thought, wait, this is for prosecution? Sounds like one for defense! And then when prosecution's own witness testified that she was not "pill shopping" (or doctor shopping), well...And they were forced to drop a few other lines, like that she faked the suicide attempt.

Posted by: runner at September 10, 2026 11:56 AM (AKptf)

186 Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:50 AM (E4rt

I'm just going by what I've read regarding to how the case was prosecuted. Admittedly I may have missed the closing arguments where the prosecution laid out the premeditation planning, the ability of the defendant to call an audible during the murders and the fact she knew what she was doing was wrong all pointing to the fact she was not in a case of temporary psychosis beyond any reasonable doubt.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2026 11:56 AM (KC5Lt)

187 173 158 If - hypothetical - if - the prosecution fucked up that bad - then I can't sincerely blame any juror. A juror's job is not to decide shit is proven if it's not.

Posted by: ...
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_You can blame the jurors for disregarding the judges admonition.
_You can blame the jurors for disregarding professional testimony and forcing their own evaluation.
_You can blame the jurors for harassing another juror.

Any one of the three is a mistrial.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 11:56 AM (C0oZI)

188 I suspect too that at least one maybe more were googling shit on the case outside of the evidence presented.
Posted by: whig

There were nurses on the jury who were bringing up their professional knowledge of the drugs Lindsay was on during the deliberations.

Introducing new evidence in the jury room is a big no-no.

Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:57 AM (77rzZ)

189 169 164 It's difficult to believe but there was a time in America where a single breadwinner could earn enough income in a unskilled labor job to support a family. Not in "high style", but he could purchase a home, buy a car, and maybe get a vacation once in a while. Mom stayed home with the kids. There were millions of middle class neighborhoods like this.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 10, 2026 11:50 AM (X/q9i)

It can be done right now. But that requires budgeting, and discipline, and no one wants to do that. It is simply TOO HARD.

Posted by: Cow Demon at September 10, 2026 11:57 AM (WB/3O)

190 I suspect too that at least one maybe more were googling shit on the case outside of the evidence presented.
Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:53 AM (E4rtv)

Then they watch videos of people defending her and theorizing, reinforcing their own shit, and then bring it into the jury room 'You guys! He must have killed the kids or he mind controlled her into doing it!'

Fucking hell,

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 10, 2026 11:57 AM (Y/06r)

191 I suspect he's actually a crack dealer.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:52 AM (qE8uT)

Street corner drug peddlers make less than minimum wage. He's probably a shite collar criminal, so insider trading or something. That way he can afford the house, the kids, the reasonably attractive wife and a giant mountain of blow.

Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 11:57 AM (dpXJq)

192 I suspect too that at least one maybe more were googling shit on the case outside of the evidence presented.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:53 AM (E4rtv)

Don't forget I am talking hypothetically. I don't know how good or bad a job they did. We know they failed at jury selection. We know one of the prosecutors had to check their notes at least once for the victims' names.

I am just saying the worse a job they did the less we can blame any juror.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:58 AM (b+pJs)

193 It's difficult to believe but there was a time in America where a single breadwinner could earn enough income in a unskilled labor job to support a family. Not in "high style", but he could purchase a home, buy a car, and maybe get a vacation once in a while. Mom stayed home with the kids. There were millions of middle class neighborhoods like this.

Posted by: Common Tater
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This was true in the neighborhood where I grew up. Just plain ordinary people, hardly wealthy, but just middle class folks. Fathers worked 8 to 5 jobs, mothers carpooled the kids to school, until they were old enough to walk there themselves.

'A Christmas Story' pretty much captures the way we lived.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2026 11:58 AM (XeU6L)

194 188 I suspect too that at least one maybe more were googling shit on the case outside of the evidence presented.
Posted by: whig

There were nurses on the jury who were bringing up their professional knowledge of the drugs Lindsay was on during the deliberations.

Introducing new evidence in the jury room is a big no-no.

Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:57 AM (77rzZ)

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12 Angry Men taught them that even obviously guilty people should be set free from the justice system and the jurors who do it will be morally superior over everyone else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:58 AM (qE8uT)

195 191 I suspect he's actually a crack dealer.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:52 AM (qE8uT)

Street corner drug peddlers make less than minimum wage. He's probably a shite collar criminal, so insider trading or something. That way he can afford the house, the kids, the reasonably attractive wife and a giant mountain of blow.

Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 11:57 AM (dpXJq)

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Fine, fine, fine.

Crack distributor.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:58 AM (qE8uT)

196 2. Inexplicable trial strategy. As I said before, the prosecution witnesses all lined up to praise LC for being a "good mother," for "loving her kids," and other obsequious ball-licking. WTF? You can't win a prosecution if your witnesses basically testify for the defense.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 11:32 AM

The only witness the prosecution called who said she knew what she was doing and was guilty was the psychiatrist expert witness. After his testimony he literally lost his job because they said he "smirked" at the defense attorney questioning him.

This entire thing was a $hit show from the beginning.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 10, 2026 11:58 AM (I43vL)

197 168 Woman.
She's is the most complex and the most beautiful.
She is the pinnacle of all creation.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at September 10, 2026 11:34 AM

Did your wife make you write that? Is she holding you hostage? Blink twice for yes.
Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 11:51 AM

That's a paraphrase from the book "Epic" by John Eldredge.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at September 10, 2026 11:58 AM (2Ez/1)

198
_You can blame the jurors for disregarding the judges admonition.
_You can blame the jurors for disregarding professional testimony and forcing their own evaluation.
_You can blame the jurors for harassing another juror.

Any one of the three is a mistrial.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 11:56 AM (C0oZI)

And it was a mistrial...same result, different path to get there...

Although I think you all would be shocked by real life jury deliberation. Juries do what they want, most of the time...whether or not they are supposed to.

Posted by: Nova Local at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (tOcjL)

199 hey have successfully decimated the strong family unit, single breadwinner employment, and Motherhood. Church attendance? I'm sure it has cratered. What's left is whack job purple haired lunatics bitching at me about my lawnmower is destroying the planet.

It's all so painfully obvious if you know what you're looking at, and it cannot be unseen.

Posted by: Common Tater

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (C0oZI)

200 You know it was a good post when half the comments have a higher word count than the original post.

Posted by: muldoon at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (qgHp7)

201 But really , the two outcomes are : if found to be insane - goes to a mental hospital for life, if not insane , to jail for life where she will probably be in some cray-cray ward. And no, I don't think she is getting out of the mental institution, because no psychiatrist will sign off on it. They would not even let her sign the DNR.

Posted by: runner at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (AKptf)

202 And the rhetoric on the Left has evolved or been refined to include the notion that a strong family is somehow "white supremacy", and on and on and on. It is remarkable how insidious and pervasive it has become. It was there lurking just under the surface for a long time, but it is full on in your face agitation and invective. They really want to kill this thing called America once and for all.

It is nice to think your rich Uncle Sugar government can provide for all your needs. Except, technically speaking, they are 40 trillion in the hole. Why would anyone think it is a good idea to depend on a bankrupt entity for the very fiber of your existence? What happens when the currency no longer buys anything? This is a theoretical thing for most. But it has happened countless times just in the last 100 years. Just not to the good ole U.S.A.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (X/q9i)

203 200 You know it was a good post when half the comments have a higher word count than the original post.

Posted by: muldoon at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (qgHp7)

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I miss the no character limit days...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (qE8uT)

204 12 Angry Men taught them that even obviously guilty people should be set free from the justice system and the jurors who do it will be morally superior over everyone else.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:58 AM (qE8uT)

Heh. By the actual legal standards, 12 angry men is also bad. Fonda does research on his own into the case, etc etc.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (Y/06r)

205 👍🏻 🙏

I never ever claimed to be a Mother of the Year, but everything I might have 'lost' in having a houseful of kids with interesting age gaps and a full time job for decades - in terms of less money, time, sleep, leisure, travel, even some health - was well worth it - I gained a great deal as it made ME just a little better person - less judgmental, hopefully kinder - dealing with other people. (And the brats survived me and have thrived.)

So many people are exceptional people without being mothers or parents or guardians. I could barely manage as a teen, as the oldest of a bunch of street urchins with a working mother, and a kid who avoid school myself until an adult. I never pictured ever being able to cope well with more babies and/or kids. Took a lot of prayer, some instinct and very good examples, and also conviction I could be okay in THAT chosen 'career' too.
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"Every child comes with the message that God is not yet discouraged of man," originally written by the Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore.
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PS - I was ready to rant about the Clancy broad again but I'll save it for another time.

Posted by: L - No nic... at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (NFX2v)

206 Woman, made from a rib, a cheaper cut!

Posted by: Archie Bunker Bible Lesson at September 10, 2026 12:00 PM (Fn+3X)

207 Without it I can't safely blame anyone for acquitting short of them explicitly announcing nothing would ever change their mind. They didn't get the chance to have their mind changed.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 11:54 AM (b+pJs)

Disagree. It may have ended 9-3 instead of 11-1, but those jurors committed misconduct. Who knows. We CAN surmise, But no case put on by the prosecution renders the misconduct jurors blameless.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 12:00 PM (dK+Kv)

208 Posted by: Aetius451AD
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I hesitate on making that assumption because I did not see the trial (murder trials have no appeal to me, for one project, I read about one thousand or so death penalty case reports and their sentencing documents). A lot depends on witnesses presented, cross examination, and so on. And the prosecution faced at least a trio or more jurors that apparently had already made their minds up via media reports before trial started.

About the only thing is sure is that she did it and the husband had nothing to do with it.

And we are talking about the legal standard in Mass which is very lenient on insanity once the threshold is met.

Some states use a similar method on self defense claims btw, usually red states. Defendant has to meet a certain burden of proof to show that they can present a reasonable self defense claim, then the burden of proof flips to the prosecution to show that the defendant did not act in self defense.

Getting into justification and affirmative defenses is too complicated for gray box pontificating.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 12:00 PM (E4rtv)

209 204 12 Angry Men taught them that even obviously guilty people should be set free from the justice system and the jurors who do it will be morally superior over everyone else.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:58 AM (qE8uT)

Heh. By the actual legal standards, 12 angry men is also bad. Fonda does research on his own into the case, etc etc.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (Y/06r)

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"A dozen coincidences and inconsistencies have to line up perfectly to begin to cast doubt on the defendant's guilt. Super easy, barely an inconvenience."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:00 PM (qE8uT)

210 Although I think you all would be shocked by real life jury deliberation. Juries do what they want, most of the time...whether or not they are supposed to.

Posted by: Nova Local
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I blame the prosecutor for allowing a crappy jury despite their stupid law on whether she was crazy or not.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 12:01 PM (C0oZI)

211
The advent of The Uberfrau
Is the greatest glory of the now
Be sure you understand
And obey the commands
Of your blue-haired, cat lady Mao!

Posted by: naturalfake at September 10, 2026 12:01 PM (iJfKG)

212 As I have written before, if Clancy had killed just one child, I could possibly...maybe...potentially...find myself in that group that is 3 standard deviations to the left that might...MIGHT...have reasonable doubt and consider her cray-cray.
But not for the other kids. That was premeditated cold blooded murder.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2026 12:01 PM (2WIwB)

213 155 Mass has a rather stupid state standard set in Commonwealth v. McHoul (1967) where once the burden of proof by showing the judge that a defense of not guilty by reason of insanity is reasonable, then the STATE has the burden of proof to show beyond a reasonable doubt that person was sane enough to comprehend their actions and decided to do it anyway in going forward with the murders at the time when the murders happened. Comes from the idiots at the Model Penal Code project.

M'Naughten std from the 1800's British law, on the other hand, requires a defendant has to prove insanity under the clear and convincing evidence std (highest in civil law) that the defendant was insane at the time of the murder. Most states follow some form of M'Naughten test. A few allow a guilty but insane verdict which commits the person to a mental hospital to serve out their sentence. Personally, I think this is the way.
Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 11:47 AM (E4rtv)

Thank you for saying this. It's been in comments before. It's so hard to understand; I get it when I read a summary, like this, and then *poof* it's gone.

Posted by: m at September 10, 2026 12:02 PM (odBC9)

214 Heh. By the actual legal standards, 12 angry men is also bad. Fonda does research on his own into the case, etc etc.

Posted by: Aetius451AD
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12 Angry men is a commie movie.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 12:02 PM (C0oZI)

215 I miss the no character limit days...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (qE8uT)

You miss people both accidently and intentionally reposting the entire thread?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 10, 2026 12:02 PM (Y/06r)

216 Heh. By the actual legal standards, 12 angry men is also bad. Fonda does research on his own into the case, etc etc.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Yep. Not allowed even back then, juror misconduct. Hollyweird loves that kind of shit where the juror plays detective and solves the case.

And the reason is that 'experts' on the jury are not subject to cross-examination nor actually proving their expertise prior to being allowed to testify.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 12:03 PM (E4rtv)

217 I suspect too that at least one maybe more were googling shit on the case outside of the evidence presented.
Posted by: whig

There were nurses on the jury who were bringing up their professional knowledge of the drugs Lindsay was on during the deliberations.

Introducing new evidence in the jury room is a big no-no.
Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:57 AM (77rzZ)
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Yup. It's insane that nurses were allowed on that jury. You never want medical professionals on a jury in a criminal case turning on medical evidence because the pros will always think they know better and use their own -- out of court -- knowledge and evidence.

You also don't want nurses on a jury where the defendant is a nurse. They will always feel solidarity or at least sympathy with fellow nurses.

Hell, they don't like cops on the jury -- or even family members of cops -- if a cop is testifying because those jurors will usually give fellow cops the benefit of the doubt.

But here, the jury included multiple fucking nurses in a case against a nurse that turned on medical evidence. In-fucking-sane. Judge should have struck them all.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 10, 2026 12:03 PM (iFTx/)

218 Comrades, COMRADES, is communist ideology to make women like men. No difference. New democrat-communism lowers standards to allow.

The future, comrades, will be glorious. GLORIOUS!!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 10, 2026 12:03 PM (xvV+O)

219 So anyone can kill as many people as they want to and scream temporarily insane and walk free. How many times do they get to do this? Whenever they feel like it?

Posted by: Case at September 10, 2026 12:03 PM (noln+)

220 "A dozen coincidences and inconsistencies have to line up perfectly to begin to cast doubt on the defendant's guilt. Super easy, barely an inconvenience."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:00 PM

"Wow, wow, wow. Wow."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 12:03 PM (Rm1ix)

221 212 As I have written before, if Clancy had killed just one child, I could possibly...maybe...potentially...find myself in that group that is 3 standard deviations to the left that might...MIGHT...have reasonable doubt and consider her cray-cray.
But not for the other kids. That was premeditated cold blooded murder.

Posted by: Diogenes
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Murdering one kid is OK?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 12:03 PM (C0oZI)

222
214 Heh. By the actual legal standards, 12 angry men is also bad. Fonda does research on his own into the case, etc etc.

Posted by: Aetius451AD
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12 Angry men is a commie movie.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 12:02 PM (C0oZI)

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Interestingly, it was originally written for television, and the thing is so holy in the minds of people that it barely gets any updates at all through the years (Friedkin's version changed some races and minor dialogue around it, but that's it).

I think that the quick teleplay writing process is betrayed in every subsequent version. The leaps of logic papered over on television just kind of stand out more in both major film versions.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:04 PM (qE8uT)

223 It can be done right now
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Unskilled labor? Buying a house and a car, insurance, health care insurance, taxes, food prices, etc etc ad infinitum, ad nauseaum?

Take another bong hit, because you're smoking some Primo weed.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 10, 2026 12:04 PM (X/q9i)

224 I miss the no character limit days...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (qE8uT)

You miss people both accidently and intentionally reposting the entire thread?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 10, 2026 12:02 PM (Y/06r)

Ahhh...the days of no character.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2026 12:04 PM (2WIwB)

225 215 I miss the no character limit days...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (qE8uT)

You miss people both accidently and intentionally reposting the entire thread?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 10, 2026 12:02 PM (Y/06r)

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I get my fun where I can.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:04 PM (qE8uT)

226 216 Heh. By the actual legal standards, 12 angry men is also bad. Fonda does research on his own into the case, etc etc.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Yep. Not allowed even back then, juror misconduct. Hollyweird loves that kind of shit where the juror plays detective and solves the case.

And the reason is that 'experts' on the jury are not subject to cross-examination nor actually proving their expertise prior to being allowed to testify.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 12:03 PM (E4rtv)

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Clint Eastwood's Juror #2 is a good response to 12 Angry Men, I think.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:04 PM (qE8uT)

227 There were nurses on the jury who were bringing up their professional knowledge of the drugs Lindsay was on during the deliberations.

Introducing new evidence in the jury room is a big no-no.
Posted by: Bulg at September 10, 2026 11:57 AM (77rzZ)
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So is talking much less bullying, about the case before deliberations but that didn't stop the Karens from doing that.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 10, 2026 12:05 PM (xvV+O)

228
Now one thing that will strike someone as significant if you read period articles from the "social planners" in the 1950s and 1960s was how strong the middle class was in America. Most countries are starkly divided. The very rich and wealthy, and abject poverty, no in between. None.

Being the relatively unscathed winner of WW2 helped.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 10, 2026 12:05 PM (Cqx++)

229 Disagree. It may have ended 9-3 instead of 11-1, but those jurors committed misconduct. Who knows. We CAN surmise, But no case put on by the prosecution renders the misconduct jurors blameless.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 10, 2026 12:00 PM (dK+Kv)

My feels might want me to enjoy both facts at once, incompetent prosecution, shitty jury, but the first (if it happened) IMO renders the second moot.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 12:05 PM (b+pJs)

230 220 "A dozen coincidences and inconsistencies have to line up perfectly to begin to cast doubt on the defendant's guilt. Super easy, barely an inconvenience."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:00 PM

"Wow, wow, wow. Wow."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 12:03 PM (Rm1ix)

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"Men getting out of the hole with the help of a dozen other men is tight!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:05 PM (qE8uT)

231 Thank you for saying this. It's been in comments before. It's so hard to understand; I get it when I read a summary, like this, and then *poof* it's gone.
Posted by: m

Simple statements. Mass tilts toward defendants claiming insanity to a degree not present in most states. Most states tilt toward the prosecution where insanity defenses require the defendant to prove that they were insane with varying standards of proof.

At least one state doesn't allow insanity as a defense, I think Kansas is one such IRRC. There, the jury has the option of guilty but insane verdict which puts the defendant in a mental hospital to serve their sentence. Scotus upheld that law mebbe a decade ago but don't know if other states have followed.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 12:06 PM (E4rtv)

232 Thx CBD.
11 Screeching AWFLs and Soy Boys doesn't have the umph of 12 Angry Men

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 10, 2026 12:06 PM (N2HNb)

233 @225

>>I get my fun where I can.

Like a night in Bangkok?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 10, 2026 12:06 PM (XV/Pl)

234 >the importance and, actually, the superiority of women in our culture

No, I don't think we need any more essays telling women how "superior" they are.

Posted by: Daniel Ream at September 10, 2026 12:06 PM (LgYtf)

235 "Men getting out of the hole with the help of a dozen other men is tight!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:05 PM

I laugh way too hard at those videos.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 12:06 PM (Rm1ix)

236 215 I miss the no character limit days...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 11:59 AM (qE8uT)

You miss people both accidently and intentionally reposting the entire thread?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 10, 2026 12:02 PM (Y/06r)

It's so lonely here.

Posted by: The Barrel at September 10, 2026 12:06 PM (N39Ws)

237 Did the strain of bearing up under the "mental burden", the superhuman heavy lift that falls exclusively on women, come up at all for the 9 brave jurors, or for the defendant?

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 10, 2026 12:07 PM (wVcYX)

238 233 @225

>>I get my fun where I can.

Like a night in Bangkok?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 10, 2026 12:06 PM (XV/Pl)

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"#TwoWeeks"
-the USS Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:07 PM (qE8uT)

239 @225

>>I get my fun where I can.

Like a night in Bangkok?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 10, 2026 12:06 PM

No, in Bangkok the kick are only allowed above the waistline, Sunshine.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2026 12:07 PM (Rm1ix)

240 TX uses the M'Naghten Rule ...and so does CA.

Posted by: runner at September 10, 2026 12:08 PM (AKptf)

241 219 So anyone can kill as many people as they want to and scream temporarily insane and walk free. How many times do they get to do this? Whenever they feel like it?

Posted by: Case
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Only if it is the custom of your people.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 12:08 PM (C0oZI)

242 The rule that there's a big twist at the end of the case?

No wait that's the M. Night Shyamalan rule.

Posted by: ... at September 10, 2026 12:09 PM (b+pJs)

243 227
So is talking much less bullying, about the case before deliberations but that didn't stop the Karens from doing that.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 10, 2026 12:05 PM (xvV+O)

I'd go so far as to state that most of the jury had their mind made up before starting deliberations.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 10, 2026 12:09 PM (N39Ws)

244 Clint Eastwood's Juror #2 is a good response to 12 Angry Men, I think.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I generally loathe legal procedurals except for My Cousin Vinny and parts of Anatomy of a Murder. Hitchcock's movie, The Wrong Man is a real life horror story and shows fairly what happens when the state of the art in detection in 1950's produced a legal abomination in trying an innocent man.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 12:09 PM (E4rtv)

245 In the last week or so, I've learned more than I need to about insanity...

Posted by: runner at September 10, 2026 12:09 PM (AKptf)

246 One of my favorites from a juror was that she didn't think the prosecution had shown that mommy mass murderer was 100% guilty.

Clearly she does not understand does not the criminal judicial system nor understand the judge's instructions.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 10, 2026 12:09 PM (xvV+O)

247 234 >the importance and, actually, the superiority of women in our culture

No, I don't think we need any more essays telling women how "superior" they are.
Posted by: Daniel Ream at September 10, 2026 12:06 PM (LgYtf)

Never forget that CBD is the Troll Emeritus Supreme.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 10, 2026 12:09 PM (Y/06r)

248 244 Clint Eastwood's Juror #2 is a good response to 12 Angry Men, I think.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I generally loathe legal procedurals except for My Cousin Vinny and parts of Anatomy of a Murder. Hitchcock's movie, The Wrong Man is a real life horror story and shows fairly what happens when the state of the art in detection in 1950's produced a legal abomination in trying an innocent man.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 12:09 PM (E4rtv)

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Juror #2 is all about a juror knowingly breaking the rules, and there are consequences to it.

Suggested.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:10 PM (qE8uT)

249 11 Screeching AWFLs and Soy Boys doesn't have the umph of 12 Angry Men
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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Switchblade...was there a switchblade?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2026 12:10 PM (XeU6L)

250 Nood.

Posted by: Nazdar at September 10, 2026 12:10 PM (NcvvS)

251 246 One of my favorites from a juror was that she didn't think the prosecution had shown that mommy mass murderer was 100% guilty.

Clearly she does not understand does not the criminal judicial system nor understand the judge's instructions.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 10, 2026 12:09 PM (xvV+O)

Or Clancy's own words.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 10, 2026 12:10 PM (Y/06r)

252 Being the relatively unscathed winner of WW2 helped.
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Absolutely. But it was mostly due to the inherent superiority of the American system that produced this huge "middle class" in the first place. It took epic marshalling of resources to fight a two front war, produce the armaments to defend "democracy", a skilled labor force to produce millions of tons of ships, planes, boats, tanks, a Manhattan project, it's just incredible to see what was accomplished. They probably sent more material to the Soviet Union alone than most other countries output combined, alone.

And then in the next 50 years they threw it all away for us. It would not have been possible to maintain the market share on a global basis, but what "free trade" agreements and other jiggery-pokery global shit is a crime.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 10, 2026 12:10 PM (X/q9i)

253 THE BOSS HAS A NOOD

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2026 12:11 PM (5ZFmQ)

254 I think that the quick teleplay writing process is betrayed in every subsequent version. The leaps of logic papered over on television just kind of stand out more in both major film versions.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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The Odd Couple take ("The Jury Story") is better in every way than 12 Angry Men.

Posted by: whig at September 10, 2026 12:11 PM (E4rtv)

255 223 It can be done right now
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Unskilled labor? Buying a house and a car, insurance, health care insurance, taxes, food prices, etc etc ad infinitum, ad nauseaum?

Take another bong hit, because you're smoking some Primo weed.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 10, 2026 12:04 PM (X/q9i)

You are making my point at the end.

You can’t because it’s just TOO HARD. Maybe stay at home and eat. Maybe clip coupons and raid the bargain bin at the store. Maybe enlist the help of grandparents for babysitting. Live closer to work. Pass on the new car for a good used one, Do your own car maintenance. But doing things like that is simply TOO HARD.

Posted by: Cow Demon at September 10, 2026 12:12 PM (WB/3O)

256 I've noted this before, but women were fed a bill of goods that men were keeping all kinds of fulfillment and joy away from women by preventing them from being in the workplace.

So women DEMANDED that they be allowed into the workforce and not "forced" to stay at home with babies.

Reminds me of the story of Tom Sawyer and white washing the fence...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 10, 2026 12:13 PM (sKqQm)

257 In the one criminal trial where I sat as a juror, I was astonished by the inclination of jurors to raise questions about the facts and prosecution...that were never raised in the procceedings.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2026 12:14 PM (XeU6L)

258 Am I the only 'Ron here who really likes 12 Angry Men?

Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 12:15 PM (dpXJq)

259 258 Am I the only 'Ron here who really likes 12 Angry Men?

Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2026 12:15 PM (dpXJq)

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As pieces of drama, I think they're pretty good.

But I just see the logical leaps that make no sense, and it holds me back.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 10, 2026 12:18 PM (qE8uT)

260 245 In the last week or so, I've learned more than I need to about insanity...

Posted by: runner
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Question whether you learned anything true about insanity from the trial.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 12:20 PM (C0oZI)

261

"Women can be crazy radicals, even the Bolsheviks had some murderous women."

Right on!

Posted by: else koch at September 10, 2026 12:20 PM (A3xvt)

262 >You can’t because it’s just TOO HARD. Maybe stay at home and eat. Maybe clip coupons and raid the bargain bin at the store. Maybe enlist the help of grandparents for babysitting. Live closer to work. Pass on the new car for a good used one, Do your own car maintenance. But doing things like that is simply TOO HARD.

Posted by: Cow Demon
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Right. This country is never going to be on an even keel until we quit paying people not to work.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 10, 2026 12:23 PM (C0oZI)

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