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CIA Report: Air Power Alone Can't Win Wars
I've been saying this since day one.
Since WWII, air power theorists have promised a victory from the skies alone. It's never happened. (You can say "Japan" but that was an atomic bomb, and there was an ongoing ground and sea war going on at the same time, and the promise of a land invasion of the home islands.) Technology is always advancing so there is often a plausible argument for why a victory through the skies is possible now -- the B-52 can drop more bombs than any aircraft ever imagined, cruise missiles can hit a specific window of a building, etc. -- but it's never once panned out. Ukraine is proving you can fight the Russian army and navy to a standstill -- or better -- with air power, specifically, drone power. But drones are fairly short-range. I'd love a drone invasion of Iran, but those drones would have to be launched and serviced from inside Iran, or at least right on the border. So what is the endgame here? I don't think it's going to be an actual victory. It might just be the unsatisfying situation after the Gulf War, when Saddam remained in power and remained belligerent but the US just kept up a regime of "maintenance bombing," as one guy put it, for years and years. But an actual victory? Not likely.Report: CIA Says Iran Won't Yield to US StrikesThe CIA are a bunch of paper-pushing failed-academic clowns but I think they're basically right.
But that's all nonsense. It's just the "Muslim way of war" -- attack attack attack, and then call for phony "peace talks" while you re-arm and plan your next attack. "Negotiations" just mean "give Iran time to procure new Chinese missiles and build more drones." We could maybe kill enough Iranian regime thugs that eventually there are too few of them to control the country, but that will take years. The likely path to victory -- excluding a ground invasion, which seems politically impossible -- will come after a year of bombing so devastating the economy completely collapses and the public is willing to wade into heavy machine-gun fire because they're starving and rip the Muslim conquerors to pieces. And I don't know if we have any other choice than that grim endgame. In very expected bad news, oil is over $100 per barrel again.
A new CIA report indicates that U.S. military strikes are unlikely to change Iran's negotiating stance with the Trump administration. U.S. military strikes won't significantly alter Iran's negotiating stance, according to a new CIA report. A new U.S. intelligence assessment, first reported by The Washington Post, concludes that despite days of sustained U.S. airstrikes, Tehran is unlikely to soften its position or make major concessions in negotiations with the Trump administration. According to current and former U.S. officials cited by the newspaper, CIA analysts believe the United States and Iran remain locked in an uneasy cycle of conflict that falls somewhere between war and peace, with neither side showing signs of backing down. The assessment has reportedly been briefed to the Trump administration as U.S. forces continue retaliatory operations following renewed Iranian attacks in the Middle East.
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Despite the military pressure, intelligence officials reportedly believe Iran's leadership remains focused on preserving the regime and is prepared to absorb significant losses rather than accept U.S. demands. ... "They continue to send signals that they want to talk, that they want to negotiate, but their behavior is what we're responding to," Rubio recently said, noting Iran has continued launching missiles and drones at ships in the region.
Global oil prices on Thursday crossed $100 a barrel for the first time since May, after Houthi militants in Yemen claimed to have struck two Saudi tankers in the Red Sea. The reported attack, which came alongside continued strikes between the United States and Iran, threatened to worsen an oil shock that had already amounted to one of the largest in history.Trump threatens to attack Iran every time its proxy army in Yemen attacks ships, but I don't think that's much of a threat, because he's already attacking Iran. The jihadists of Iran plan to fight until the last dead civilian. Below: The US Marines rappelled down to the deck of an Iranian shadow tanker and seized it. Everyone understand a machine-gun pointed right at your head.
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:18 PM (2YhKe)
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Huh.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:18 PM (4NO2D)
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The CIA is asshoe.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:19 PM (2YhKe)
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lum has been NOOD'ed.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:19 PM (2YhKe)
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The jihadists of Iran plan to fight until the last dead civilian.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:18 PM
Hopefully the civilians will be able tor rise up when the IRGC are disabled enough
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:18 PM
Hopefully the civilians will be able tor rise up when the IRGC are disabled enough
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:19 PM (FtULh)
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FUD
Posted by: ... at July 23, 2026 03:19 PM (Nhyh3)
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Let Israel do the ground portion.
They had infiltrated quite a bit of Iran previously. Let them do it again.
They had infiltrated quite a bit of Iran previously. Let them do it again.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:20 PM (2YhKe)
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This isn't actually news.
We learned this in Desert Storm. We put on an absolute clinic vis a vis air power and still had to put boots on the ground.
The difference here, though, is the mission. We're not trying to throw Iran out of a neutral nation. We're trying to kick them in the nuts until they stop trying to get a nuke and deplete their ability to spread fuckery around the world.
We CAN achieve that through the air.
We learned this in Desert Storm. We put on an absolute clinic vis a vis air power and still had to put boots on the ground.
The difference here, though, is the mission. We're not trying to throw Iran out of a neutral nation. We're trying to kick them in the nuts until they stop trying to get a nuke and deplete their ability to spread fuckery around the world.
We CAN achieve that through the air.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at July 23, 2026 03:20 PM (AdHga)
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I would imagine winning by air alone depends on what your objective is. I mean, you could say that motor vehicles are forbidden in Yemen, and then, assuming that you own the skies, use drones to destroy anything moving. Would that be winning?
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (4NO2D)
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On the one hand I think this is right, but on the other hand the CIA is just saying this to get money for transgender operas in Siberia.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (2ocoG)
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The difference here, though, is the mission. We're not trying to throw Iran out of a neutral nation. We're trying to kick them in the nuts until they stop trying to get a nuke and deplete their ability to spread fuckery around the world.
We CAN achieve that through the air.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at July 23, 2026 03:20 PM (AdHga)
There's a fair chance but no more "pauses".
We CAN achieve that through the air.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at July 23, 2026 03:20 PM (AdHga)
There's a fair chance but no more "pauses".
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (FtULh)
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Alaska doesn't mind the price of oil going up. I suspect neither Texas nor North Dakota minds it at all.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (lmdht)
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Since WWII, air power theorists have promised a victory from the skies alone"
Ahem. WW II?
/Stanley Baldwin
Ahem. WW II?
/Stanley Baldwin
Posted by: man at July 23, 2026 03:22 PM (XuXeR)
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10 On the one hand I think this is right, but on the other hand the CIA is just saying this to get money for transgender operas in Siberia.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (2ocoG)
Yeah... I don't trust the CIA .
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (2ocoG)
Yeah... I don't trust the CIA .
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:22 PM (FtULh)
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There's a fair chance but no more "pauses".
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (FtULh)
To be fair, Trump had to look like he was open to a peaceful solution. He allowed the mad mullahs to show their duplicitous hand, and now he no longer needs to look like he is open to anything but unconditional surrender.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (FtULh)
To be fair, Trump had to look like he was open to a peaceful solution. He allowed the mad mullahs to show their duplicitous hand, and now he no longer needs to look like he is open to anything but unconditional surrender.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:23 PM (lmdht)
Posted by: man at July 23, 2026 03:23 PM (XuXeR)
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Ahem. WW II?
/Stanley Baldwin
Posted by: man at July 23, 2026 03:22 PM (XuXeR)
How you say.......Weee?
/Stanley Baldwin
Posted by: man at July 23, 2026 03:22 PM (XuXeR)
How you say.......Weee?
Posted by: Hilarity Baldwin at July 23, 2026 03:23 PM (2YhKe)
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We went through this in WWII, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan, air power is cool and can do a ton of stuff by itself but it can't win anything. That takes boots on the ground and even with those boots on the ground you still aren't guaranteed anything unless you are willing to go in and completely fvck up the enemy like we did in both Germany and Japan in WWII.
And that is not going to happen in iran.
And that is not going to happen in iran.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 23, 2026 03:23 PM (0N4FZ)
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You have to define “Winning” first, wouldn’t you?
What is the objective? Whatever the goal is for the Iranian regime, it was certainly different for Japan, and Germany. Round the clock bombings of civilian targets aren’t part of the plan afaik.
What is the objective? Whatever the goal is for the Iranian regime, it was certainly different for Japan, and Germany. Round the clock bombings of civilian targets aren’t part of the plan afaik.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 23, 2026 03:23 PM (xAdLC)
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>> CIA Report: Air Power Alone Can't Win Wars
Also CIA, water is wet. Jasmine Crockett doesn’t wash her vagina.
Captain Obvious called. He said WTF
Also CIA, water is wet. Jasmine Crockett doesn’t wash her vagina.
Captain Obvious called. He said WTF
Posted by: Vengeance at July 23, 2026 03:24 PM (aLiqC)
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There's an entire civilian population that if properly armed and let loose would likely have this wrapped up in about a month. Just don't work through a middleman like the fucking Kurds.
We leveraged the Persian population early on and they were cunning enough to point out high value targets to both the US and the Israelis. They're not helpless. They've been on the sidelines for too long.
We leveraged the Persian population early on and they were cunning enough to point out high value targets to both the US and the Israelis. They're not helpless. They've been on the sidelines for too long.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 23, 2026 03:24 PM (jehhT)
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1 FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:18 PM (2YhKe)
*pats Sponge lovingly on the head*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:18 PM (2YhKe)
*pats Sponge lovingly on the head*
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:24 PM (lmdht)
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Also CIA, water is wet. Jasmine Crockett doesn’t wash her vagina.
Captain Obvious called. He said WTF
Posted by: Vengeance at July 23, 2026 03:24 PM (aLiqC)
Wow.
That comment took a wrong turn rather quickly.
Captain Obvious called. He said WTF
Posted by: Vengeance at July 23, 2026 03:24 PM (aLiqC)
Wow.
That comment took a wrong turn rather quickly.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:24 PM (2YhKe)
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Nuke em.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM (Rem44)
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I think this greatly depends on what we drop from the air…
Posted by: Piper at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM (hftzA)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM (FtULh)
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We went through this in WWII, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan, air power is cool and can do a ton of stuff by itself but it can't win anything. That takes boots on the ground and even with those boots on the ground you still aren't guaranteed anything unless you are willing to go in and completely fvck up the enemy like we did in both Germany and Japan in WWII.
And that is not going to happen in iran.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 23, 2026 03:23 PM (0N4FZ)
This idea only works if you define victory as 'seizing Tehran.' In that case, yes, of course, you're right.
But that's not what we want to do here.
And that is not going to happen in iran.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 23, 2026 03:23 PM (0N4FZ)
This idea only works if you define victory as 'seizing Tehran.' In that case, yes, of course, you're right.
But that's not what we want to do here.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM (AdHga)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM (2YhKe)
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24 Nurse, great minds. Lol.
Posted by: Piper at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM (hftzA)
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26 24 Nuke em.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM (Rem44
What she said....
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM (FtULh)
They want a bomb, so I guess we should give them one.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM (Rem44
What she said....
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM (FtULh)
They want a bomb, so I guess we should give them one.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (lmdht)
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I would imagine winning by air alone depends on what your objective is. I mean, you could say that motor vehicles are forbidden in Yemen, and then, assuming that you own the skies, use drones to destroy anything moving. Would that be winning?
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (4NO2D)
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And there's the traditional Great Britain coalition strategy, updated for the 21st century:
Maintaining air and sea supremacy while subsidizing regional powers to do the land fighting against a common enemy.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (4NO2D)
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And there's the traditional Great Britain coalition strategy, updated for the 21st century:
Maintaining air and sea supremacy while subsidizing regional powers to do the land fighting against a common enemy.
Posted by: mrp at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (rj6Yv)
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Trump seems to be very reactive in Iran. He keeps threatening actions if Iran won't come to the table.
Why? Even if they come to the table, any deal will be broken as we have already seen.
Why not be more proactive? I don't want the "grim scenario" either; but let's hope we're at least arming the Iranian resistance so they have something to fight back with.
Why? Even if they come to the table, any deal will be broken as we have already seen.
Why not be more proactive? I don't want the "grim scenario" either; but let's hope we're at least arming the Iranian resistance so they have something to fight back with.
Posted by: Duke at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (SPHOV)
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (Rem44)
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There's a fair chance but no more "pauses".
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (FtULh)
Don't you think it's weird it "paused" in time for the 250th and then restarted a few days later?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (FtULh)
Don't you think it's weird it "paused" in time for the 250th and then restarted a few days later?
Posted by: ... at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (Nhyh3)
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But drones are fairly short-range.
The little cheap suicide drones are short ranged, but, as Grok summarizes:
Large Iranian drones (primarily reusable UCAVs/MALE/HALE types, distinct from smaller one-way loitering munitions like the Shahed-136) have claimed operational/combat ranges typically from ~1,500–4,000+ km, depending on the model, payload, altitude, and mission profile (e.g., one-way strike vs. round-trip with return).
While for the US:
MQ-9 Reaper (Predator B) – Primary US Armed Drone
Operational range: ~1,150–1,900 miles (1,850–3,000+ km), depending on configuration and sources (e.g., combat radius often cited around 1,000–2,250 nautical miles in some operational contexts). Payload: Up to ~3,800 lb (1,700+ kg) across hardpoints — Hellfire missiles, GBU-12/38 bombs, JDAMs, etc.
That's pretty good range, payload, and (for the US especially) precision.
The little cheap suicide drones are short ranged, but, as Grok summarizes:
Large Iranian drones (primarily reusable UCAVs/MALE/HALE types, distinct from smaller one-way loitering munitions like the Shahed-136) have claimed operational/combat ranges typically from ~1,500–4,000+ km, depending on the model, payload, altitude, and mission profile (e.g., one-way strike vs. round-trip with return).
While for the US:
MQ-9 Reaper (Predator B) – Primary US Armed Drone
Operational range: ~1,150–1,900 miles (1,850–3,000+ km), depending on configuration and sources (e.g., combat radius often cited around 1,000–2,250 nautical miles in some operational contexts). Payload: Up to ~3,800 lb (1,700+ kg) across hardpoints — Hellfire missiles, GBU-12/38 bombs, JDAMs, etc.
That's pretty good range, payload, and (for the US especially) precision.
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (Xy2sd)
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Send Malcom Nance in. He's battle-hardened from his tour in Ukraine. He'll have that place pacified in a week, two weeks, tops.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (n9eFH)
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my dream is a very big robotic "drone tender," just a big light plane that can loiter over Iran for hours and hours, filled with smaller drones that can be released to hunt and kill individual soldiers and Regime commanders. Just keep killing them until there's no one left to ill.
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (1wjle)
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Don't you think it's weird it "paused" in time for the 250th and then restarted a few days later?
Posted by: ... at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (Nhyh3)
Point taken...
Posted by: ... at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (Nhyh3)
Point taken...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:27 PM (FtULh)
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So what is the endgame here? I don't think it's going to be an actual victory.
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If regime collapses it is a victory. There have not been enough bombings and targeted assassinations. And not continuously. Those mullahs and IRGC who do not want to be blown up, should move to Phakistan. The rest should wrap themselves in kafans.
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If regime collapses it is a victory. There have not been enough bombings and targeted assassinations. And not continuously. Those mullahs and IRGC who do not want to be blown up, should move to Phakistan. The rest should wrap themselves in kafans.
Posted by: runner at July 23, 2026 03:27 PM (GD0B3)
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I'm a total naif here. How hard would or should it be to keep Iran from developing a usable nuclear weapon?
Kind of funny that administrative options are off the table since there's no world body that would support us in ordering the mullahs to drop their ambitions, so we just have to be the king of the jungle and make them do it.
I'm a total naif here. How hard would or should it be to keep Iran from developing a usable nuclear weapon?
Kind of funny that administrative options are off the table since there's no world body that would support us in ordering the mullahs to drop their ambitions, so we just have to be the king of the jungle and make them do it.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 03:27 PM (mmrXZ)
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We concur. We do not believe in air power.
What some may consider a form of chemical warfare, yes. But air power, no.
What some may consider a form of chemical warfare, yes. But air power, no.
Posted by: Big Penguin at July 23, 2026 03:27 PM (oMRBS)
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Isn’t it telling that the ‘ettes are the ones who have lost all semblance of patience and are advocating turning Iran into a parking lot?
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (Rem44)
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I have thought the Balkans was won with AirPower alone from NATO ( 70% our AirPower)
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (KC5Lt)
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Just keep killing them until there's no one left to ill.
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (1wjle)
No One Left to Ill was the forgotten Beastie Boys album sequel to Licensed to Ill.
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (1wjle)
No One Left to Ill was the forgotten Beastie Boys album sequel to Licensed to Ill.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (2YhKe)
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I was told by Biden, the media, and the Democrats that an AR15 was no match for F35's.
Are you saying that they are wrong?
Are you saying that they are wrong?
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (k1E2D)
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42 Isn’t it telling that the ‘ettes are the ones who have lost all semblance of patience and are advocating turning Iran into a parking lot?
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (Rem44)
Guuuurl power
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (Rem44)
Guuuurl power
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (FtULh)
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Time is very much on Iran's side. They can outlast the US government because they just have to wait until the Dems seize power again.
They don't care about having a functioning country, so long as they can sell oil to China to finance their war machine.
And once they get a nuclear weapon (which may be a forgone conclusion now), they'll use it on Israel. Who will have no choice but to utterly obliterate Iran with their own nukes, if they can.
Iran is in a death spiral, and millions of people will suffer and die as a result.
They don't care about having a functioning country, so long as they can sell oil to China to finance their war machine.
And once they get a nuclear weapon (which may be a forgone conclusion now), they'll use it on Israel. Who will have no choice but to utterly obliterate Iran with their own nukes, if they can.
Iran is in a death spiral, and millions of people will suffer and die as a result.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (FZ29D)
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Define “war”. Is Iran a “war”, or is it a short term military engagement?
I’m completely serious. Can you win a short term military engagement where the objective is degrading capability, infrastructure and supply lines with just air power.
Yes, yes you can douchebags.
What you want to achieve is ultimately about your objective. How you engage on the battlefield and what you define as victory drives what assets you use to achieve a successful outcome.
I’m completely serious. Can you win a short term military engagement where the objective is degrading capability, infrastructure and supply lines with just air power.
Yes, yes you can douchebags.
What you want to achieve is ultimately about your objective. How you engage on the battlefield and what you define as victory drives what assets you use to achieve a successful outcome.
Posted by: Vengeance at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (aLiqC)
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>>>Operational range: ~1,150–1,900 miles (1,850–3,000+ km), depending on configuration and sources (e.g., combat radius often cited around 1,000–2,250 nautical miles in some operational contexts). Payload: Up to ~3,800 lb (1,700+ kg) across hardpoints — Hellfire missiles, GBU-12/38 bombs, JDAMs, etc.
So I'm thinking about the drones Ukraine uses, which are not single-use "suicide drones," but drop land mines and grenades on top of individual soldiers. When you're just killing one or two guys, you can't justify the cost of a single-use Reaper. You need a cheaper way to deliver the kill.
That's what I mean when I say these drones need to be serviced (refueled/charged up) and re-armed with more grenades to drop on people's head.
So I'm thinking about the drones Ukraine uses, which are not single-use "suicide drones," but drop land mines and grenades on top of individual soldiers. When you're just killing one or two guys, you can't justify the cost of a single-use Reaper. You need a cheaper way to deliver the kill.
That's what I mean when I say these drones need to be serviced (refueled/charged up) and re-armed with more grenades to drop on people's head.
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (1wjle)
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So in that sense it’s sort or like comparing apples with aircraft carriers.
This isn’t an all hands on deck declared war, all out total war. And maybe that’s the problem. But, depending on the objective, “winning” being a bit of a red herring, air power may be able to achieve the objective if not total unconditional surrender and a signing ceremony on the USS Missouri in the Gulf of Hormuz
This isn’t an all hands on deck declared war, all out total war. And maybe that’s the problem. But, depending on the objective, “winning” being a bit of a red herring, air power may be able to achieve the objective if not total unconditional surrender and a signing ceremony on the USS Missouri in the Gulf of Hormuz
Posted by: Common Tater at July 23, 2026 03:29 PM (xAdLC)
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My daughter's golden bday is tomorrow. She voted for Trump, but she's starting to turn against him. Why? High gas prices and high food bills. I can't blame her.
Iran leaders would rather die (and take their people with them) than admit defeat to the U.S. Who didnt know this that was born before 1979.
Iran leaders would rather die (and take their people with them) than admit defeat to the U.S. Who didnt know this that was born before 1979.
Posted by: Turn 2 at July 23, 2026 03:29 PM (Y2/Vj)
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I suppose declaring victory and going home is out of the question.
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at July 23, 2026 03:29 PM (x69Nb)
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Isn’t it telling that the ‘ettes are the ones who have lost all semblance of patience and are advocating turning Iran into a parking lot?
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (Rem44)
You're all in sync?
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (Rem44)
You're all in sync?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:29 PM (2YhKe)
54
It's time to send in Jack Ryan!
Posted by: Cray Cray at July 23, 2026 03:29 PM (XdJ05)
55
While the CIA's assessment may be true, the CIA has the credibility of a syphilitic hyena.
Posted by: mr tmz at July 23, 2026 03:29 PM (rJ48h)
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The likely path to victory -- excluding a ground invasion, which seems politically impossible -- will come after a year of bombing so devastating the economy completely collapses and the public is willing to wade into heavy machine-gun fire because they're starving and rip the Muslim conquerors to pieces.
And I don't know if we have any other choice than that grim endgame.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:18 PM
Additionally, if we just hand control over to the Iranian people, they will realize that they couldn't do it.
It's a moral issue and will lead to a weak society. We need to make it clear to the Iranian people, their only hope is to rise up. Yes, many will die, but it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees. They need a Braveheart (the fictional one) moment.
And I don't know if we have any other choice than that grim endgame.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:18 PM
Additionally, if we just hand control over to the Iranian people, they will realize that they couldn't do it.
It's a moral issue and will lead to a weak society. We need to make it clear to the Iranian people, their only hope is to rise up. Yes, many will die, but it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees. They need a Braveheart (the fictional one) moment.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (XHO5P)
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>>>43 I have thought the Balkans was won with AirPower alone from NATO ( 70% our AirPower)
maybe but wasn't the ground element provided by the KLA and various Muslim militias?
maybe but wasn't the ground element provided by the KLA and various Muslim militias?
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (1wjle)
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my dream is a very big robotic "drone tender," just a big light plane that can loiter over Iran for hours and hours, filled with smaller drones that can be released to hunt and kill individual soldiers and Regime commanders. Just keep killing them until there's no one left to ill.
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM
This critter is mindbending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tYtJaMY9C4
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM
This critter is mindbending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tYtJaMY9C4
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (4NO2D)
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That's what I mean when I say these drones need to be serviced (refueled/charged up) and re-armed with more grenades to drop on people's head.
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (1wjle)
It's raining.
It's pouring.
The old man
is exploding.
That's what I mean when I say these drones need to be serviced (refueled/charged up) and re-armed with more grenades to drop on people's head.
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (1wjle)
It's raining.
It's pouring.
The old man
is exploding.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (2YhKe)
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Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (1wjle
I think we should use gunships if we have indeed dismantled their air defenses.
I think we should use gunships if we have indeed dismantled their air defenses.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (KC5Lt)
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I'm less than sanguine about the outcome of this war, given current leadership.
But I don't see the inherent problem with an air-based strategy. At all.
I see the inherent problem with unrealistic victory conditions. It's a chronic issue for American leadership in foreign wars.
I see the problem with ridiculous ROEs. It's a related chronic issue.
It can be done - but you have to be willing to employ naked brutality without compunction or any concern for the civilians. In fact - you have to put them on the table, purely for resource and area denial.
People want to marry bombing to surgical tactics against an asymmetrical opponent. Retarded. Pipe dream. Ridiculous bullshit. It's a total warfare strategy, not a man trying to restrain an errant but beloved child.
But I don't see the inherent problem with an air-based strategy. At all.
I see the inherent problem with unrealistic victory conditions. It's a chronic issue for American leadership in foreign wars.
I see the problem with ridiculous ROEs. It's a related chronic issue.
It can be done - but you have to be willing to employ naked brutality without compunction or any concern for the civilians. In fact - you have to put them on the table, purely for resource and area denial.
People want to marry bombing to surgical tactics against an asymmetrical opponent. Retarded. Pipe dream. Ridiculous bullshit. It's a total warfare strategy, not a man trying to restrain an errant but beloved child.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (BI5O2)
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But that's not what we want to do here.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM
What exactly do we want to do in iran?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at July 23, 2026 03:25 PM
What exactly do we want to do in iran?
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (0N4FZ)
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Yes, many will die, but it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees. They need a Braveheart (the fictional one) moment.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (XHO5P)
By the way they are still executing the "protestors" They basically have nothing to lose..
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (XHO5P)
By the way they are still executing the "protestors" They basically have nothing to lose..
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:31 PM (FtULh)
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42 Isn’t it telling that the ‘ettes are the ones who have lost all semblance of patience and are advocating turning Iran into a parking lot?
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM
I had some thoughts on that.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM
I had some thoughts on that.
Posted by: Joni Mitchell at July 23, 2026 03:31 PM (oMRBS)
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The Houthis are acting up again in the Red Sea.
They attacked a tanker the other day.
Also read about some Somali pirates getting back in the game last week. I’m guessing now that the fraud funds drying up in Minnesota has forced them back to work for the first time in over a decade. It also may have something to do with the U.S. Navy being budy elsewhere.
They attacked a tanker the other day.
Also read about some Somali pirates getting back in the game last week. I’m guessing now that the fraud funds drying up in Minnesota has forced them back to work for the first time in over a decade. It also may have something to do with the U.S. Navy being budy elsewhere.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 03:31 PM (6ydKt)
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51 My daughter's golden bday is tomorrow. She voted for Trump, but she's starting to turn against him. Why? High gas prices and high food bills. I can't blame her.
Iran leaders would rather die (and take their people with them) than admit defeat to the U.S. Who didnt know this that was born before 1979.
Posted by: Turn 2 at July 23, 2026 03:29 PM (Y2/Vj)
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Gas and food prices are no worse than they were under Sleepy Joe's watch so that's a clown argument.
Your daughter needs to stop watching MS NOW.
Iran leaders would rather die (and take their people with them) than admit defeat to the U.S. Who didnt know this that was born before 1979.
Posted by: Turn 2 at July 23, 2026 03:29 PM (Y2/Vj)
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Gas and food prices are no worse than they were under Sleepy Joe's watch so that's a clown argument.
Your daughter needs to stop watching MS NOW.
Posted by: ballistic at July 23, 2026 03:31 PM (5aZAZ)
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budy = budy
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 03:31 PM (6ydKt)
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So, the same CIA that's accused of being part of the deep state, gets an intelligence assessment right maybe one time in ten (and completely blew it on the Soviets) and crapped out utterly trying to assassinate Castro, is now a font of wisdom when it comes to the question of air power versus ground.
Uh huh.
I'll be over in the corner mixing a cocktail.
Uh huh.
I'll be over in the corner mixing a cocktail.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 23, 2026 03:32 PM (/HDaX)
Posted by: ... at July 23, 2026 03:32 PM (Nhyh3)
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Why do I get the feeling the CIA is still recruiting the “smartest person on the room” by trolling Ivy League colleges, and hitting on the blue haired, septum ring crowd?
Posted by: Vengeance at July 23, 2026 03:32 PM (aLiqC)
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Tomorrow CIA will issue a report that water is wet.
Posted by: Obviously Obvious at July 23, 2026 03:32 PM (GFRGc)
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50 unconditional surrender and a signing ceremony on the USS Missouri in the Gulf of Hormuz
Posted by: Common Tater
Getting goat fuckers fitted in those gay mourning suits would cost a fortune.
Posted by: Common Tater
Getting goat fuckers fitted in those gay mourning suits would cost a fortune.
Posted by: Auspex at July 23, 2026 03:32 PM (Y8DZL)
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No power, no water, no bridges, no food. Something will change.
Posted by: fd at July 23, 2026 03:32 PM (MWfyi)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 03:33 PM (mmrXZ)
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Trust the CIA that should do it. Trust the FBI while your at it. Secret Service also totally trustworthy.
But muh clicks!
But muh clicks!
Posted by: connected and litigious at July 23, 2026 03:33 PM (cS1cw)
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 03:33 PM (6ydKt)
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It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees.
Posted by: That Old Italian Pimp at July 23, 2026 03:33 PM (4NO2D)
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Brent (London) traded crude is at $100 as Ace says, but oil prices relevant to Americans is West Texas, which is still below $92, up from the low $72 range last week, at least today. If prices stay at this level, gas prices will rise back up and the GOPe/Democrat bitching will similarly rise.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 23, 2026 03:33 PM (paOhA)
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In very expected bad news, oil is over $100 per barrel again.
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I was told that this doesn't matter, and that I should stop complaining about an extra car payment to fill up the tank each month. Uh-huh.
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I was told that this doesn't matter, and that I should stop complaining about an extra car payment to fill up the tank each month. Uh-huh.
Posted by: That Guy at July 23, 2026 03:33 PM (JDkBU)
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It's a moral issue and will lead to a weak society. We need to make it clear to the Iranian people, their only hope is to rise up. Yes, many will die, but it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees. They need a Braveheart (the fictional one) moment.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 23
With what do they rise? They don’t have guns. And when they did rush to the streets in the beginning of this, thinking we were going to save them, they were shot right there.
It's a moral issue and will lead to a weak society. We need to make it clear to the Iranian people, their only hope is to rise up. Yes, many will die, but it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees. They need a Braveheart (the fictional one) moment.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 23
With what do they rise? They don’t have guns. And when they did rush to the streets in the beginning of this, thinking we were going to save them, they were shot right there.
Posted by: Piper at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (hftzA)
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I'm really tired of a majority of our political fortunes hinging on the price of fucking gasoline. We cannot as a country continue to bend over and take it up the ass or turn tail and run away from the things we need to do to keep ourselves safe from lunatics every time a barrel of oil goes over $65.
I'm an oil isolationist. Fuck selling our natural resources on the open market. Drill, pump, refine, and sell our own shit. Get high on our own supply. Everyone else can deal with the Strait of Hormuz for their oil.
I'm an oil isolationist. Fuck selling our natural resources on the open market. Drill, pump, refine, and sell our own shit. Get high on our own supply. Everyone else can deal with the Strait of Hormuz for their oil.
Posted by: ballistic at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (5aZAZ)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (SRRAx)
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10 On the one hand I think this is right, but on the other hand the CIA is just saying this to get money for transgender operas in Siberia.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (2ocoG)
Well, they will say the money is for transgender operas in Siberia, but then they would actually use it to undermine elections and foment unrest in America.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2026 03:21 PM (2ocoG)
Well, they will say the money is for transgender operas in Siberia, but then they would actually use it to undermine elections and foment unrest in America.
Posted by: SciVo at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (Sy6m/)
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What exactly do we want to do in iran?
Posted by: Mister Scott
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Kill their nuclear program as far as I know.
What exactly do we want to do in iran?
Posted by: Mister Scott
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Kill their nuclear program as far as I know.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (mmrXZ)
85
Germany surrendered in WW1 without a single enemy soldier setting foot in German territory.
Posted by: Richard Cranium at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (K+gBX)
86
I've learned enough over the last 10 years of Trump not to believe any experts--even if I agree with them.
But especially if it goes contrary to anything at all related to Trump.
And it's not a "maybe this is right, IDK" it's "they all squandered any and all trust--and they've done nothing to rebuild it. So they're lying unless proven otherwise."
"CIA says" is brought to you by Valarie Plame, sitting at her desk in DC, while her husband sips sweet tea with ethnics in Africa running down rumors of yellowcake uranium sold to Saddam.
LOL
But especially if it goes contrary to anything at all related to Trump.
And it's not a "maybe this is right, IDK" it's "they all squandered any and all trust--and they've done nothing to rebuild it. So they're lying unless proven otherwise."
"CIA says" is brought to you by Valarie Plame, sitting at her desk in DC, while her husband sips sweet tea with ethnics in Africa running down rumors of yellowcake uranium sold to Saddam.
LOL
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (3cUTc)
Posted by: J. Random Moron at July 23, 2026 03:35 PM (oMRBS)
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In a video game, I'd use cheap drones to take out every gas station and nuclear scientist. But I don't play video games.
The war is won when the people kill enough IRGC and get enough guns. That's my thinking anyway.
The war is won when the people kill enough IRGC and get enough guns. That's my thinking anyway.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 23, 2026 03:36 PM (n5tGW)
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Not to mention the impossible task of getting the Mullahs to wear round spectacles and recite "So sorry, prease!"
Not to mention the impossible task of getting the Mullahs to wear round spectacles and recite "So sorry, prease!"
Posted by: Auspex at July 23, 2026 03:36 PM (Y8DZL)
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Putin is NOT Trump's friend. He is helping the Iranians stay afloat. I wish Trump would just be done with him.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 03:36 PM (NpAcC)
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Posted by: ballistic at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (5aZAZ
I agree and energy prices could be lowered significantly with the building of nuke plants.
I agree and energy prices could be lowered significantly with the building of nuke plants.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 03:36 PM (KC5Lt)
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Our drone program has been substantially stepped up outside of the old acquisition cycles. We have much more capability than people realize. The MQ9 is mostly ISR and there are now smaller drones that have less footprint for AP missions, etc. look at the submarine docks we smoked with marine drones as one example.
Posted by: Vengeance at July 23, 2026 03:36 PM (aLiqC)
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Although I generally agree with Ace, the CIA is wrong on this. We are not trying to take and control territory in Iran (as in Iraq or Vietnam); to the contrary, we are only trying to change the behavior of the regime, which is quite a different thing. So bombing (via bombs, missiles or whatever) will work because it gives us a very modulated way to heat the water until the frog boils. Bridges and power plants are a great start, but relentless iterative decapitation strikes will speed up the process. And of course, relentless destruction of transportation modalities to and from Iran (rail; road; water; air) and of any military or military production assets. None of this is a magic bullet -- there isn't one, and Iran is a VERY big country with a VERY stubborn regime backed by many millions of Islamist fanatics. But I keep coming back to the profound wisdom of General Curtis LeMay (paraphrasing): "if you kill enough of them they will stop fighting." We just haven't made Iran anywhere near miserable enough yet. There is still a semblance of "normal" life in Tehran. Once they lack fuel, power, water and food, the worm will turn. And modern air power can absolutely do this.
Posted by: James at July 23, 2026 03:37 PM (2K4Lo)
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>>> Gas and food prices are no worse than they were under Sleepy Joe's watch so that's a clown argument.
Your daughter needs to stop watching MS NOW.
Posted by: ballistic at July 23, 2026 03:31 PM (5aZAZ)
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You’re not wrong. But two years ago she wasn't paying her own bills, exclusively. She's too young to understand the long game like we do. Like Rush said, history starts the day you were born for most people.
Losing voters like her has been my main concern with Trump's action with Iran.
Your daughter needs to stop watching MS NOW.
Posted by: ballistic at July 23, 2026 03:31 PM (5aZAZ)
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You’re not wrong. But two years ago she wasn't paying her own bills, exclusively. She's too young to understand the long game like we do. Like Rush said, history starts the day you were born for most people.
Losing voters like her has been my main concern with Trump's action with Iran.
Posted by: Turn 2 at July 23, 2026 03:37 PM (Y2/Vj)
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Kill their nuclear program as far as I know.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (mmrXZ)
How quickly the forgot.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (mmrXZ)
How quickly the forgot.
Posted by: June 2025 Bombing That Killed Their Nuke Program at July 23, 2026 03:37 PM (GFRGc)
96
Iran is now warning the UK that they better not assist the United States.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 03:38 PM (NpAcC)
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Germany surrendered in WW1 without a single enemy soldier setting foot in German territory.
——
That’s a good point. They also had a lot of seething resentment built up about that …. leading to a trope or meme eventually of “the stab in the back”; and … you know who
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That’s a good point. They also had a lot of seething resentment built up about that …. leading to a trope or meme eventually of “the stab in the back”; and … you know who
Posted by: Common Tater at July 23, 2026 03:38 PM (xAdLC)
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No power, no water, no bridges, no food. Something will change.
Posted by: fd
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Quantitative only. People will just get more miserable. There are dozens of countries with worse standards of living and worse infrastructure than Iran, and they keep on truckin'.
No power, no water, no bridges, no food. Something will change.
Posted by: fd
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Quantitative only. People will just get more miserable. There are dozens of countries with worse standards of living and worse infrastructure than Iran, and they keep on truckin'.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 03:38 PM (mmrXZ)
99
I'm an oil isolationist. Fuck selling our natural resources on the open market. Drill, pump, refine, and sell our own shit. Get high on our own supply. Everyone else can deal with the Strait of Hormuz for their oil.
Posted by: ballistic at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (5aZAZ)
I said it over 30 years ago. You don't like terrorism? Stop buying oil from the middle east. Become self-sufficient.
The money for terrorism dries up rather quickly.
I'm an oil isolationist. Fuck selling our natural resources on the open market. Drill, pump, refine, and sell our own shit. Get high on our own supply. Everyone else can deal with the Strait of Hormuz for their oil.
Posted by: ballistic at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (5aZAZ)
I said it over 30 years ago. You don't like terrorism? Stop buying oil from the middle east. Become self-sufficient.
The money for terrorism dries up rather quickly.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:39 PM (2YhKe)
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People want to marry bombing to surgical tactics against an asymmetrical opponent. Retarded. Pipe dream. Ridiculous bullshit. It's a total warfare strategy, not a man trying to restrain an errant but beloved child.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (BI5O2)
I see you watched Young Washington, where our greatest general also had to learn you can't fight the new war with the old war's tactics...
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (BI5O2)
I see you watched Young Washington, where our greatest general also had to learn you can't fight the new war with the old war's tactics...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 23, 2026 03:39 PM (tOcjL)
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Losing voters like her has been my main concern with Trump's action with Iran.
Posted by: Turn 2 at July 23, 2026 03:37 PM (Y2/Vj)
And it's a valid concern
Losing voters like her has been my main concern with Trump's action with Iran.
Posted by: Turn 2 at July 23, 2026 03:37 PM (Y2/Vj)
And it's a valid concern
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:39 PM (FtULh)
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Is Queer Starmer still the PM of Great Britain? Or has he stepped down?
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:39 PM (4NO2D)
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42 Isn’t it telling that the ‘ettes are the ones who have lost all semblance of patience and are advocating turning Iran into a parking lot?
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (Rem44)
I don't think so at all. Just like the most strident revolutionaries under Mao were women.
Only right wing women aren't retarded like lefty women. That's actually my second favorite thing about conservative women vs. lefty women.
My favorite thing about them is that they don't have dicks.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:28 PM (Rem44)
I don't think so at all. Just like the most strident revolutionaries under Mao were women.
Only right wing women aren't retarded like lefty women. That's actually my second favorite thing about conservative women vs. lefty women.
My favorite thing about them is that they don't have dicks.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, preparing for The Reckoning at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (/B9J1)
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Iran is now warning the UK that they better not assist the United States.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 03:38 PM (NpAcC)
With what? They have no viable military.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 03:38 PM (NpAcC)
With what? They have no viable military.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (2YhKe)
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You're all in sync?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:29 PM (2YhKe)
*once again, pats Sponge lovingly on the head*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:29 PM (2YhKe)
*once again, pats Sponge lovingly on the head*
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (lmdht)
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Is Queer Starmer still the PM of Great Britain? Or has he stepped down?
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:39 PM (4NO2D)
There's a new seamy dough-eyed poofter in town......
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:39 PM (4NO2D)
There's a new seamy dough-eyed poofter in town......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (2YhKe)
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I hope the bombing was worth considering the Iranians have never been close to actually making bomb. CIA assessments are worthless, so they don't count
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (DbmIv)
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My favorite thing about them is that they don't have dicks.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, preparing for The Reckoning at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (/B9J1)
You neglected to mention sweater puppies.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, preparing for The Reckoning at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (/B9J1)
You neglected to mention sweater puppies.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (lmdht)
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People voted for Trump because the economy under Biden was shit. So the message that things are no worse now vs under Biden is not the winning message you think it is.
For better or worse gas price affects people’s view of the economy. When it’s $4 or even $5 in some places, the average voter is angry and angry voters don’t vote for the incumbent party.
For better or worse gas price affects people’s view of the economy. When it’s $4 or even $5 in some places, the average voter is angry and angry voters don’t vote for the incumbent party.
Posted by: Politics 101 at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (GFRGc)
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You neglected to mention sweater puppies.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (lmdht)
That would technically be second AND third
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (lmdht)
That would technically be second AND third
Posted by: ... at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (Nhyh3)
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44 Just keep killing them until there's no one left to ill.
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (1wjle)
No One Left to Ill was the forgotten Beastie Boys album sequel to Licensed to Ill.
i was under the impression that "no one left to ill" was the end goal of gain-of-function research.
Posted by: ace at July 23, 2026 03:26 PM (1wjle)
No One Left to Ill was the forgotten Beastie Boys album sequel to Licensed to Ill.
i was under the impression that "no one left to ill" was the end goal of gain-of-function research.
Posted by: anachronda at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (v3pYe)
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*once again, pats Sponge lovingly on the head*
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (lmdht)
I'm sensing some sarcasm in your wit......
*once again, pats Sponge lovingly on the head*
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (lmdht)
I'm sensing some sarcasm in your wit......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (2YhKe)
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CIA is doing whatever it can to undermine this administration.
The goal of this administration pertaining to Iran, as has been stated many times, is to ensure no ability of Iran to make a nuclear weapon and the free flow of traffic in Hormuz strait.
It is not the goal of this administration to defeat Iran in a war.
I would however rejoice if the civil people in Iran would take up arms (why don't we smuggle them in) and kill the sons of bitches.
The goal of this administration pertaining to Iran, as has been stated many times, is to ensure no ability of Iran to make a nuclear weapon and the free flow of traffic in Hormuz strait.
It is not the goal of this administration to defeat Iran in a war.
I would however rejoice if the civil people in Iran would take up arms (why don't we smuggle them in) and kill the sons of bitches.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (ogcfP)
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The answer is make the leadership pay the price personally.
They don't care if a squad of IRGC troops dies manning a missile facility but they will care if you blow up the #3 guy's home....with him in it...and all of the neighborhood around it.
Stopping fighting this like a modern forever war, start fighting it in the ways that work.
They don't care if a squad of IRGC troops dies manning a missile facility but they will care if you blow up the #3 guy's home....with him in it...and all of the neighborhood around it.
Stopping fighting this like a modern forever war, start fighting it in the ways that work.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (sKqQm)
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Posted by: Turn 2 at July 23, 2026 03:37 PM (Y2/
Interesting. What is her solution? And how old is she again?
Interesting. What is her solution? And how old is she again?
Posted by: Piper at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (hftzA)
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (bX16E)
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Iran is now warning the UK that they better not assist the United States.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 03:38 PM (NpAcC)
With what? They have no viable military.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM
I started to ask which one and then realized the answer was Yes.
Talk about a cripple fight..
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 03:38 PM (NpAcC)
With what? They have no viable military.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM
I started to ask which one and then realized the answer was Yes.
Talk about a cripple fight..
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (4NO2D)
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A new U.S. intelligence assessment, first reported by The Washington Post
______________________
Our discrete spy agencies sure have interesting ways of applying their craft. The primary purpose of this "report" is to put pressure on the US administration to back down. Regardless of whether it's accurate or not, whoever continues to use the Wash Post as a sounding board needs to disappear, permanently.
______________________
Our discrete spy agencies sure have interesting ways of applying their craft. The primary purpose of this "report" is to put pressure on the US administration to back down. Regardless of whether it's accurate or not, whoever continues to use the Wash Post as a sounding board needs to disappear, permanently.
Posted by: Orson at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (dIske)
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It might just be the unsatisfying situation after the Gulf War, when Saddam remained in power and remained belligerent but the US just kept up a regime of "maintenance bombing," as one guy put it, for years and years.
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* knock! knock! knock! *
It's Maintenance! Just here to bomb ya'!
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* knock! knock! knock! *
It's Maintenance! Just here to bomb ya'!
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (Fi81e)
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I think Trump just needs to give up on ceasefires and negotiations until the Strait of Hormuz problem is eliminated. Whether that’s through bombing, invasion, or finding alternative ways of moving product, or all three combined.
Take away that leverage and bring oil prices down and Iran be steadily degraded for a long time with drones, bombs, and missiles.
Easier said then done, I know, but it’s the main problem keeping this thing going like it is.
Take away that leverage and bring oil prices down and Iran be steadily degraded for a long time with drones, bombs, and missiles.
Easier said then done, I know, but it’s the main problem keeping this thing going like it is.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (6ydKt)
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The problem with this argument is that really bombing a country into submission hasn't been tried. The closest might have been Linebacker II, and that was just meant to get the North Vietnamese to stop grandstanding and sign the Paris Peace Agreement.
For example, what if we actually destroyed Iran's bridges and power plants? Their economy would be completely trashed, and they would be facing mass starvation. Am I supposed to believe that at that point Iran would not either 1) surrender 2)cease actions that annoyed us, without officially capitulating or 3) occasionally chucking cheap drones around but otherwise ceasing to matter to the rest of the world as the population drops 70-80%?
For example, what if we actually destroyed Iran's bridges and power plants? Their economy would be completely trashed, and they would be facing mass starvation. Am I supposed to believe that at that point Iran would not either 1) surrender 2)cease actions that annoyed us, without officially capitulating or 3) occasionally chucking cheap drones around but otherwise ceasing to matter to the rest of the world as the population drops 70-80%?
Posted by: the lower depths at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (Yh7zv)
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Gas and food prices are no worse than they were under Sleepy Joe's watch so that's a clown argument.
Your daughter needs to stop watching MS NOW.
Posted by: ballistic at July 23, 2026 03:31 PM (5aZAZ)
But they aren't better...and folks with lower incomes and pay raises (not talking folks on gov money, like SS or welfare, b/c they get inflation increases every year) are still hurting...and it's the "well I gave this guy a shot...he failed...then I gave this guy a shot...he failed...now I might as well try the next guy"...
Your daughter needs to stop watching MS NOW.
Posted by: ballistic at July 23, 2026 03:31 PM (5aZAZ)
But they aren't better...and folks with lower incomes and pay raises (not talking folks on gov money, like SS or welfare, b/c they get inflation increases every year) are still hurting...and it's the "well I gave this guy a shot...he failed...then I gave this guy a shot...he failed...now I might as well try the next guy"...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (tOcjL)
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*once again, pats Sponge lovingly on the head*
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (lmdht)
I'm sensing some sarcasm in your wit......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (2YhKe)
Well bless your heart
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM (lmdht)
I'm sensing some sarcasm in your wit......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (2YhKe)
Well bless your heart
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (FtULh)
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Did a little research the other day to find out that gas prices had little to do with midterm elections. Surprised me.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (n5tGW)
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Only right wing women aren't retarded like lefty women. That's actually my second favorite thing about conservative women vs. lefty women.
My favorite thing about them is that they don't have dicks.
Will that leaders more women for me to minister to. And by minister I think you know what I mean...
My favorite thing about them is that they don't have dicks.
Will that leaders more women for me to minister to. And by minister I think you know what I mean...
Posted by: David French at July 23, 2026 03:43 PM (sKqQm)
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92 Putin is NOT Trump's friend. He is helping the Iranians stay afloat. I wish Trump would just be done with him.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 03:36 PM (NpAcC)
I doubt Trump thinks of Putin as a friend. You don't get to pick the leaders you have to deal with.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 03:36 PM (NpAcC)
I doubt Trump thinks of Putin as a friend. You don't get to pick the leaders you have to deal with.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:43 PM (lmdht)
127
Talk about a cripple fight..
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (4NO2D)
TIMMEH!!!!!
Talk about a cripple fight..
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (4NO2D)
TIMMEH!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:43 PM (2YhKe)
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For example, what if we actually destroyed Iran's bridges and power plants? Their economy would be completely trashed, and they would be facing mass starvation. Am I supposed to believe that at that point Iran would not either 1) surrender 2)cease actions that annoyed us, without officially capitulating or 3) occasionally chucking cheap drones around but otherwise ceasing to matter to the rest of the world as the population drops 70-80%?
This is the way
This is the way
Posted by: 18-1 at July 23, 2026 03:43 PM (sKqQm)
129
Well bless your heart
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (FtULh)
You just want to date me.
Well bless your heart
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (FtULh)
You just want to date me.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:44 PM (2YhKe)
130
The primary purpose of this "report" is to put pressure on the US administration to back down. Regardless of whether it's accurate or not, whoever continues to use the Wash Post as a sounding board needs to disappear, permanently.
Posted by: Orson at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (dIske)
This is what I'm thinking
Posted by: Orson at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (dIske)
This is what I'm thinking
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:44 PM (FtULh)
131
Blockades can bring down regimes very effectively, if complete enough and applied long enough
Posted by: Road Warrior at July 23, 2026 03:44 PM (wHUXH)
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109 I hope the bombing was worth considering the Iranians have never been close to actually making bomb. CIA assessments are worthless, so they don't count
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
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SEE THE TROLL.
READ THE TROLL'S WORDS
Consider that just like all Democrats everything they say is a mirror image to reality.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
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SEE THE TROLL.
READ THE TROLL'S WORDS
Consider that just like all Democrats everything they say is a mirror image to reality.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 03:45 PM (ogcfP)
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Is anyone else bothered that we are talking about bombing Iran into the stone age and yet our Congress hasn't even blessed our current measures?
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:45 PM (4NO2D)
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Republicans are more trusted on energy. Democrats have been announcing they want high energy prices and penalties for Big Oil for 30 years. A price spike due to a known event is overblown if the economy is humming and it will be.
But we're back to gas prices. I can't even remember what the meme about why "we" are going to lose was three weeks ago. It stopped being gas prices for a while. Now it's back. If gas prices drop it will be something else.
But we're back to gas prices. I can't even remember what the meme about why "we" are going to lose was three weeks ago. It stopped being gas prices for a while. Now it's back. If gas prices drop it will be something else.
Posted by: ... at July 23, 2026 03:45 PM (Nhyh3)
135
The point of war is to inflict enough pain on your opponents to force them to agree to your terms.
The IRGC doesn't care about small scale loses of military assets and personal or civilians.
So to get leverage you need one of two things;
1) Large scale military/civilian losses
2) Direct losses to the IRGC leadership
I prefer #2, but #1 would work as well
The IRGC doesn't care about small scale loses of military assets and personal or civilians.
So to get leverage you need one of two things;
1) Large scale military/civilian losses
2) Direct losses to the IRGC leadership
I prefer #2, but #1 would work as well
Posted by: 18-1 at July 23, 2026 03:45 PM (sKqQm)
136
You just want to date me.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:44 PM (2YhKe)
Whipper Snapper... I think you're closer to my Sons age
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:44 PM (2YhKe)
Whipper Snapper... I think you're closer to my Sons age
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:45 PM (FtULh)
137
I'm sensing some sarcasm in your wit......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (2YhKe)
Well bless your heart
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (FtULh)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:41 PM (2YhKe)
Well bless your heart
Posted by: It's me donna at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (FtULh)
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:45 PM (lmdht)
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We could shut off their water--no, seriously. A few years ago, there were water riots throughout the country until the rioters were put down as they're always put down. Turns out those responsible for maintaining the country's infrastructure were regime hacks and cronies who knew nothing about infrastructure. Targeting that failing infrastructure would cripple the water supply. Shutting off their water would precipitate a humanitarian crisis. Thousands of civilians would likely die, but the government would equally likely fail.
It's a thought, albeit admittedly a very dark, horrible thought.
It's a thought, albeit admittedly a very dark, horrible thought.
Posted by: troyriser at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (v1M8F)
139
Stopping fighting this like a modern forever war, start fighting it in the ways that work.
Posted by: 18-1
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What should he do?
Posted by: 18-1
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What should he do?
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (ogcfP)
140
87 Germany surrendered in WW1 without a single enemy soldier setting foot in German territory.
Posted by: Richard Cranium at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (K+gBX)
Didn't the Russians get a few feet into Germany before the Huns pushed them back into Russia early in the war?
Posted by: Richard Cranium at July 23, 2026 03:34 PM (K+gBX)
Didn't the Russians get a few feet into Germany before the Huns pushed them back into Russia early in the war?
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (k1E2D)
141
The primary purpose of this "report" is to put pressure on the US administration to back down. Regardless of whether it's accurate or not, whoever continues to use the Wash Post as a sounding board needs to disappear, permanently.
Posted by: Orson at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (dIske)
When's the last time the CIA did something that actually benefitted the United States?
Posted by: Orson at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (dIske)
When's the last time the CIA did something that actually benefitted the United States?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (2YhKe)
142
Blockades can bring down regimes very effectively, if complete enough and applied long enough
Posted by: Road Warrior at July 23, 2026 03:44 PM
It did not work with Japan in 1945 and the civilian population was starving at that point.
Posted by: Road Warrior at July 23, 2026 03:44 PM
It did not work with Japan in 1945 and the civilian population was starving at that point.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (0N4FZ)
143
What exactly do we want to do in iran?
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (0N4FZ
I'm honestly shocked people are still asking this.
From the beginning the administration has said over and over and over that they have four goals.
1. Destroy Iran's missile capabilities.
2. Destroy Iran's navy.
3. Destroy Iran's ability to get the bomb.
4. Destroy Iran's ability to sponsor terror.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 23, 2026 03:30 PM (0N4FZ
I'm honestly shocked people are still asking this.
From the beginning the administration has said over and over and over that they have four goals.
1. Destroy Iran's missile capabilities.
2. Destroy Iran's navy.
3. Destroy Iran's ability to get the bomb.
4. Destroy Iran's ability to sponsor terror.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, preparing for The Reckoning at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (/B9J1)
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Iran’s economy is already in shambles. Inflation is in Zimbabwe territory. Blowing up bridges won’t change much.
Posted by: Politics 101 at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (GFRGc)
145
OK then.
Bomb TF out of them.
Trump needs to do an address that says for 47 years we've put up with this bullshit and we are now here because nobody wanted to do anything about it.
Enlist the world and if you choose the wrong side, good luck and say hi to a bunch of dead Iranian henchmen o the other side.
Frame it so the media/Ds cant have an open microphone to fill the airways. This may or may not be a winning issue. But he can help blunt the non-stop BS.
Bomb TF out of them.
Trump needs to do an address that says for 47 years we've put up with this bullshit and we are now here because nobody wanted to do anything about it.
Enlist the world and if you choose the wrong side, good luck and say hi to a bunch of dead Iranian henchmen o the other side.
Frame it so the media/Ds cant have an open microphone to fill the airways. This may or may not be a winning issue. But he can help blunt the non-stop BS.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (ItWcy)
Posted by: anachronda at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (v3pYe)
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The CIA are a bunch of paper-pushing failed-academic clowns but I think they're basically right.
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But, who needed this report to know this?
Yeah, you can't win without a ground push. Okay.
I think Trump is hoping some other faction provides the ground support, if he's even depending on that.
Trump's going to bomb them until they consistently adhere to an MoU that they have signed.
Boots on the ground gets men killed.
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But, who needed this report to know this?
Yeah, you can't win without a ground push. Okay.
I think Trump is hoping some other faction provides the ground support, if he's even depending on that.
Trump's going to bomb them until they consistently adhere to an MoU that they have signed.
Boots on the ground gets men killed.
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:47 PM (Fi81e)
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 03:47 PM (KC5Lt)
149
You just want to date me.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:44 PM (2YhKe)
The AOC gambit? Really?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:44 PM (2YhKe)
The AOC gambit? Really?
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:47 PM (lmdht)
150
What should he do?
My advice is direct bombing/missile strikes of the areas where IRGC leadership lives.
My advice is direct bombing/missile strikes of the areas where IRGC leadership lives.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 23, 2026 03:47 PM (sKqQm)
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Iran’s economy is already in shambles. Inflation is in Zimbabwe territory. Blowing up bridges won’t change much.
Posted by: Politics 101 at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (GFRGc)
It's rather hard to import food if there is no way to cross a river or a gorge outside of swimming.
Posted by: Politics 101 at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (GFRGc)
It's rather hard to import food if there is no way to cross a river or a gorge outside of swimming.
Posted by: the lower depths at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (Yh7zv)
152
We can send our troops into Tehran and kill or capture all mullahs and decimate the IRGC.
Then we can bug out and leave it to the Kurds. They were supposed to go in the first place, so maybe they'll be more motivated if there's less risk of casualties.
Then we can bug out and leave it to the Kurds. They were supposed to go in the first place, so maybe they'll be more motivated if there's less risk of casualties.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (jYRYu)
153
I think Trump just needs to give up on ceasefires and negotiations until the Strait of Hormuz problem is eliminated.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
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Expanded and new pipelines set to go in 2027. Too late for the midterms, but maybe 2028.
I think Trump just needs to give up on ceasefires and negotiations until the Strait of Hormuz problem is eliminated.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
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Expanded and new pipelines set to go in 2027. Too late for the midterms, but maybe 2028.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (mmrXZ)
154
The AOC gambit? Really?
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:47 PM (lmdht)
Why not? She's a real thinker. I want to fit in.
The AOC gambit? Really?
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:47 PM (lmdht)
Why not? She's a real thinker. I want to fit in.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (2YhKe)
155
We could shut off their water--no, seriously.
Posted by: troyriser at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (v1M8F)
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Well, he was initially trying to stay away from civilian assets.
But Muzzies don't learn. So, he's stepped it up to taking out power plants.
Posted by: troyriser at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (v1M8F)
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Well, he was initially trying to stay away from civilian assets.
But Muzzies don't learn. So, he's stepped it up to taking out power plants.
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (Fi81e)
156
It did not work with Japan in 1945 and the civilian population was starving at that point.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (0N4FZ)
It would have eventually worked but we came up with another option.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (0N4FZ)
It would have eventually worked but we came up with another option.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (KC5Lt)
157
If they want a nuke, they should have one. Give them one. Launch it from Kansas. Drop fliers over their cities first, like we did with Japan.
Posted by: Ironwood at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (ob2d4)
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129 I doubt Trump thinks of Putin as a friend. You don't get to pick the leaders you have to deal with.
you can pick your friends. you can pick your nose. but you can't pick the leaders you have to deal with's noses.
you can pick your friends. you can pick your nose. but you can't pick the leaders you have to deal with's noses.
Posted by: anachronda at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (v3pYe)
159
I want to fit in.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (2YhKe)
I could fit two or three of you in
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (2YhKe)
I could fit two or three of you in
Posted by: Kamala at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (Nhyh3)
160
Then we can bug out and leave it to the Kurds. They were supposed to go in the first place, so maybe they'll be more motivated if there's less risk of casualties.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (jYRYu)
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Personally, I don't want to inflict the Kurds on the Persians. That's just allowing another group of Muzzie militants to rule them.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (jYRYu)
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Personally, I don't want to inflict the Kurds on the Persians. That's just allowing another group of Muzzie militants to rule them.
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:50 PM (Fi81e)
161
Why not? She's a real thinker. I want to fit in.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (2YhKe)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:48 PM (2YhKe)
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 23, 2026 03:50 PM (lmdht)
162
Uh, since when has the CIA been right about... anything?
This makes me sort of believe we CAN do something productive with Air Strikes.
Remember, this is the same CIA who has done everything in its power to diminish, prosecute, sabotage, and dismiss absolutely anything President Trump has said or done.
And... note.... it's leaked.
This makes me sort of believe we CAN do something productive with Air Strikes.
Remember, this is the same CIA who has done everything in its power to diminish, prosecute, sabotage, and dismiss absolutely anything President Trump has said or done.
And... note.... it's leaked.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 03:50 PM (mP0Kj)
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Before I destroyed all the civilian infrastructure, I'd make Baby Shah give the go signal.
I don't want the Revolutionaries, if they win, to inherit a completely wrecked country.
I don't want the Revolutionaries, if they win, to inherit a completely wrecked country.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:51 PM (4NO2D)
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 03:51 PM (KC5Lt)
165
Ace,
I disagree that the goal should be "winning" this war in the conventional sense. We don't want any Iranian territory. We aren't trying to reverse an invasion.
What we want can be mostly done via air power. And that is a complete degradation of the Iranian military and the Iranian nuclear effort.
Sure...regime change would be great, and I was one of the suckers who thought it might happen. But the Mullahs and the IRGC have been weakened enough that regime change is now possible (albeit unlikely), and Iran's enemies (Israel, the Kurds, etc) can feast on it.
I disagree that the goal should be "winning" this war in the conventional sense. We don't want any Iranian territory. We aren't trying to reverse an invasion.
What we want can be mostly done via air power. And that is a complete degradation of the Iranian military and the Iranian nuclear effort.
Sure...regime change would be great, and I was one of the suckers who thought it might happen. But the Mullahs and the IRGC have been weakened enough that regime change is now possible (albeit unlikely), and Iran's enemies (Israel, the Kurds, etc) can feast on it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 23, 2026 03:51 PM (l4RKn)
166
When people bitch about gas prices during our existential war against Islam, I think of The Dead Kennedy's "Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death."
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 23, 2026 03:51 PM (bX16E)
167
"Tired of Gaslighting"
I too have worked for the Republican Party for the last 18 gorillion years. I will no longer do so. This time Trump has gone too far! Who is with me?
[walks around corner and takes off party mustache]
I too have worked for the Republican Party for the last 18 gorillion years. I will no longer do so. This time Trump has gone too far! Who is with me?
[walks around corner and takes off party mustache]
Posted by: the lower depths at July 23, 2026 03:52 PM (Yh7zv)
168
I think the only reason the CIA has to release a report that Water is Wet, is to get it in the media cycle that Trump's not running the operation right.
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:52 PM (Fi81e)
169
I see you watched Young Washington, where our greatest general also had to learn you can't fight the new war with the old war's tactics...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 23, 2026 03:39 PM (tOcjL)
Like the poor bastards that were doing calvary charges in WW1 AND WW2.
I remember hearing that the biggest technological advances come during times of war as we went from biplanes right before WW2 to jets by the end of it.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 23, 2026 03:39 PM (tOcjL)
Like the poor bastards that were doing calvary charges in WW1 AND WW2.
I remember hearing that the biggest technological advances come during times of war as we went from biplanes right before WW2 to jets by the end of it.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at July 23, 2026 03:52 PM (k1E2D)
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Posted by: Tired of Gaslighting at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (BCWUp)
Calif now adds $1.25 in taxes and fees on every gallon of gas... by Calif State regulations...
Yet somehow, they blame Trump for high gas prices?
Calif now adds $1.25 in taxes and fees on every gallon of gas... by Calif State regulations...
Yet somehow, they blame Trump for high gas prices?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM (mP0Kj)
171
The Persians have a highly defensible territory on the ground.
It's indefensible in the air or on the water, or under it.
This is a matter of both comparative and absolute advantage - we'd be fools to engage them on their best footing.
But it can only work if we're willing to use our advantage.
If we're going to make our first line of attack a bunch of jaw-jaw, augmented by a little swat-swat here and there in the middle of a war-war, we'll lose-lose.
Just fucking annihilate this shithole. We can live a bunch of queens crying about it. They always cry anyway. Nothing stops the tears. We can't suffer another defeat in a major war. Our deterrence has faded. It's almost gone, and we just can't afford for that to happen again.
Destroy this country.
It's indefensible in the air or on the water, or under it.
This is a matter of both comparative and absolute advantage - we'd be fools to engage them on their best footing.
But it can only work if we're willing to use our advantage.
If we're going to make our first line of attack a bunch of jaw-jaw, augmented by a little swat-swat here and there in the middle of a war-war, we'll lose-lose.
Just fucking annihilate this shithole. We can live a bunch of queens crying about it. They always cry anyway. Nothing stops the tears. We can't suffer another defeat in a major war. Our deterrence has faded. It's almost gone, and we just can't afford for that to happen again.
Destroy this country.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM (BI5O2)
172
I could fit two or three of you in
Posted by: Kamala at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (Nhyh3)
Even with that guy looking for his car keys?
I could fit two or three of you in
Posted by: Kamala at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (Nhyh3)
Even with that guy looking for his car keys?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM (2YhKe)
173
Not showing anyone.
I've just come to realize it doesn't even matter.
Posted by: Tired of Gaslighting at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM
Well, bye.
I've just come to realize it doesn't even matter.
Posted by: Tired of Gaslighting at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM
Well, bye.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:54 PM (4NO2D)
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Good thing elements of the United States government nixed plans to attempt an overthrow of the Islamic Republic in March, instead opting to enter negotiations due to a desire to avoid regime change. A winning strategy!
Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at July 23, 2026 03:54 PM (4qpnH)
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174 All Americans need to support Iran. This is Trump's Waterloo. Getting rid of him will ultimately lead to peace.
Posted by: Sid
and a skittles-shitting unicorn in every garage, no doubt.
Posted by: Sid
and a skittles-shitting unicorn in every garage, no doubt.
Posted by: anachronda at July 23, 2026 03:54 PM (v3pYe)
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172 I think the only reason the CIA has to release a report that Water is Wet, is to get it in the media cycle that Trump's not running the operation right.
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:52 PM (Fi81e)
Yup, pure Deep State crap... undermining the Lawfully elected Commander in Chief.
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:52 PM (Fi81e)
Yup, pure Deep State crap... undermining the Lawfully elected Commander in Chief.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 03:54 PM (mP0Kj)
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Nice to see Sid has a totally unrelated Nic also posting at the same time.
Posted by: the lower depths at July 23, 2026 03:54 PM (Yh7zv)
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175 Calif now adds $1.25 in taxes and fees on every gallon of gas... by Calif State regulations...
Yet somehow, they blame Trump for high gas prices?
the fact they are forced to keep increasing the gas taxes just illustrates the depths of perfidy of orangemanbad.
Yet somehow, they blame Trump for high gas prices?
the fact they are forced to keep increasing the gas taxes just illustrates the depths of perfidy of orangemanbad.
Posted by: anachronda at July 23, 2026 03:55 PM (v3pYe)
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you can pick your friends. you can pick your nose. but you can't pick the leaders you have to deal with's noses.
Posted by: anachronda at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (v3pYe)
You can prick your finger......
Posted by: anachronda at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (v3pYe)
You can prick your finger......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:55 PM (2YhKe)
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I've just come to realize it doesn't even matter.
Posted by: Tired of Gaslighting at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM (BCWUp)
Boy, oh boy does Canada have a program for you!!
Posted by: Tired of Gaslighting at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM (BCWUp)
Boy, oh boy does Canada have a program for you!!
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, preparing for The Reckoning at July 23, 2026 03:55 PM (/B9J1)
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Calif now adds $1.25 in taxes and fees on every gallon of gas... by Calif State regulations...
Yet somehow, they blame Trump for high gas prices?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM (mP0Kj)
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Michigan chose the time that gas was coming down to bump up their gas tax.
I'd guess blow states don't want a visible win for Trump.
Yet somehow, they blame Trump for high gas prices?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM (mP0Kj)
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Michigan chose the time that gas was coming down to bump up their gas tax.
I'd guess blow states don't want a visible win for Trump.
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:55 PM (Fi81e)
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:56 PM (aEdvU)
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at July 23, 2026 03:56 PM (2YhKe)
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The likely path to victory -- excluding a ground invasion, which seems politically impossible -- will come after a year of bombing so devastating the economy completely collapses and the public is willing to wade into heavy machine-gun fire because they're starving and rip the Muslim conquerors to pieces.
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About half of Iran's food is imported. A full 25% of all its imports is food.
The ceasefire and MOU that allowed them to import again, might have gotten them one cargo ship of food. Another was due to arrive a couple of days after the end of the ceasefire, and the US Navy turned them around.
They're probably starving now. Not to mention the issues with their currency.
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About half of Iran's food is imported. A full 25% of all its imports is food.
The ceasefire and MOU that allowed them to import again, might have gotten them one cargo ship of food. Another was due to arrive a couple of days after the end of the ceasefire, and the US Navy turned them around.
They're probably starving now. Not to mention the issues with their currency.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 03:56 PM (mnAVU)
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Posted by: Tired of Gaslighting at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM (BCWUp)
But you'll be here to bitch about it. I hate hate quitters.
Maybe I'm crazy but as I've said before I'm the guy who dives for a loose ball with 15 seconds left and down by 10.
But you'll be here to bitch about it. I hate hate quitters.
Maybe I'm crazy but as I've said before I'm the guy who dives for a loose ball with 15 seconds left and down by 10.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 03:56 PM (KC5Lt)
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So what is the endgame here? I don't think it's going to be an actual victory.
I am entirely comfortable with a program of intermittent bombing for years on end. Iran has been a fount of violence ever since the shah was deposed, and it will continue to be so until stopped. An extended period of reaping as it has sowed is in order.
I am entirely comfortable with a program of intermittent bombing for years on end. Iran has been a fount of violence ever since the shah was deposed, and it will continue to be so until stopped. An extended period of reaping as it has sowed is in order.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (2+SeL)
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Time is very much on Iran's side. They can outlast the US government because they just have to wait until the Dems seize power again.
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NO, because Israel will continue, regardless what US administration is in place. The nukes are set back a few decades.
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NO, because Israel will continue, regardless what US administration is in place. The nukes are set back a few decades.
Posted by: runner at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (GD0B3)
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Just fucking annihilate this shithole. We can live a bunch of queens crying about it. They always cry anyway. Nothing stops the tears. We can't suffer another defeat in a major war. Our deterrence has faded. It's almost gone, and we just can't afford for that to happen again.
Destroy this country.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM (BI5O2)
There are very few transportation routes in and out of Iran... we control the Sea Lanes already. Start at the borders and bomb Bridges, and Rail lines and hubs... cut pipelines and energy infrastructure.
If they want to live like Mohamed? That can be implemented via airpower.
Destroy this country.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 03:53 PM (BI5O2)
There are very few transportation routes in and out of Iran... we control the Sea Lanes already. Start at the borders and bomb Bridges, and Rail lines and hubs... cut pipelines and energy infrastructure.
If they want to live like Mohamed? That can be implemented via airpower.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (mP0Kj)
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151 Americans are too fucking soft comparably speaking regard to the past.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 03:47 PM (KC5Lt)
With the advent of television it has become increasingly difficult for any Western democracy to commit large scale assaults on civilian populations.
The only large country that can come close and get away with it is Russia, which is only a democratic facade. The Russians favorite tactic in urban warfare is to use artillery to level a city before capturing it. They did that throughout the first few years in Ukraine which enabled them to take several cities. They did allow evacuations before the shells started dropping, so even the Russians have some limits.
America hasn’t been able to inflict real pain on an entire nation since WWII because we do not want to be thought of as the bad guy, I guess.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 03:47 PM (KC5Lt)
With the advent of television it has become increasingly difficult for any Western democracy to commit large scale assaults on civilian populations.
The only large country that can come close and get away with it is Russia, which is only a democratic facade. The Russians favorite tactic in urban warfare is to use artillery to level a city before capturing it. They did that throughout the first few years in Ukraine which enabled them to take several cities. They did allow evacuations before the shells started dropping, so even the Russians have some limits.
America hasn’t been able to inflict real pain on an entire nation since WWII because we do not want to be thought of as the bad guy, I guess.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (6ydKt)
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Turns out those responsible for maintaining the country's infrastructure were regime hacks and cronies who knew nothing about infrastructure.
Iran or California?
Iran or California?
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (2ocoG)
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Aye
Pave it with bombs. Every substation. Putting their electric system down puts them on their feet. Plus no public water or sewer.
Should take about a week.
Pave it with bombs. Every substation. Putting their electric system down puts them on their feet. Plus no public water or sewer.
Should take about a week.
Posted by: torabora at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (MB0hg)
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Sid!
Hiya!
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:56 PM (aEdvU)
You just made his life worth living.......
Hiya!
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 03:56 PM (aEdvU)
You just made his life worth living.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (2YhKe)
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Apropos of nothing, Elon has lost about half of his potential SpaceX money from it's high but, that stock is a money pump if you have leveraged daytrading nerves of steel. It seems to be having a $5-$10/share swing every day, though drifting down.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (4NO2D)
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Early voting has started here.
I'll never vote for a Democrat, but as of now, I am not planning to vote for the first time in 35 years.
I have worked at the voting precincts for our county chapter of the Republican Party for the last 12 years during early voting and on Election Day campaigning for candidates, but I'm done with it this year.
Posted by: Tired of Gaslighting at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (BCWUp)
As a concerned, Christian, conservative (I voted for Reagan!!!!!!), I must agree!
Mamdani, AOC, and Plantir are really hip to what needs to be done in this country!
I'll never vote for a Democrat, but as of now, I am not planning to vote for the first time in 35 years.
I have worked at the voting precincts for our county chapter of the Republican Party for the last 12 years during early voting and on Election Day campaigning for candidates, but I'm done with it this year.
Posted by: Tired of Gaslighting at July 23, 2026 03:49 PM (BCWUp)
As a concerned, Christian, conservative (I voted for Reagan!!!!!!), I must agree!
Mamdani, AOC, and Plantir are really hip to what needs to be done in this country!
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (k1E2D)
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Below: The US Marines rappelled down to the deck of an Iranian shadow tanker and seized it.
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That video is like too many informative videos, twice too long. It's irritating. 1.35x and I still skip much.
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That video is like too many informative videos, twice too long. It's irritating. 1.35x and I still skip much.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (ogcfP)
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193 Time is very much on Iran's side. They can outlast the US government because they just have to wait until the Dems seize power again.
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NO, because Israel will continue, regardless what US administration is in place. The nukes are set back a few decades.
Posted by: runner at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (GD0B3)
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3 full years of no imports is a long time. US attacked Caspian ports and railroads into Iran from Turkmenistan in the last couple of weeks.
And that's assuming Dems win in 2028 on the platform of black girl magic and import the world.
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NO, because Israel will continue, regardless what US administration is in place. The nukes are set back a few decades.
Posted by: runner at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (GD0B3)
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3 full years of no imports is a long time. US attacked Caspian ports and railroads into Iran from Turkmenistan in the last couple of weeks.
And that's assuming Dems win in 2028 on the platform of black girl magic and import the world.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (mnAVU)
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Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (mP0Kj)
We severed Iran's only rail line to China last week.
We severed Iran's only rail line to China last week.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, preparing for The Reckoning at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (/B9J1)
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Turns out those responsible for maintaining the country's infrastructure were regime hacks and cronies who knew nothing about infrastructure.
Iran or California?
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (2ocoG)
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Welcome to the Ho'el California!
Iran or California?
Posted by: Ian S. at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (2ocoG)
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Welcome to the Ho'el California!
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (Fi81e)
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About half of Iran's food is imported. A full 25% of all its imports is food.
Let them eat pistachios!
Let them eat pistachios!
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 04:00 PM (4NO2D)
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204 Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (mP0Kj)
We severed Iran's only rail line to China last week.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, preparing for The Reckoning at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (/B9J1)
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And we bombing their Caspian Sea port a couple of days ago.
But, it doesn't really matter. Something like 95% of their imports were through their ports on the Persian Gulf, strait, and Gulf of Oman. And those are shut down. Hell, we hit Bandar Abbas a week ago, their major port.
We severed Iran's only rail line to China last week.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, preparing for The Reckoning at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (/B9J1)
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And we bombing their Caspian Sea port a couple of days ago.
But, it doesn't really matter. Something like 95% of their imports were through their ports on the Persian Gulf, strait, and Gulf of Oman. And those are shut down. Hell, we hit Bandar Abbas a week ago, their major port.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:00 PM (mnAVU)
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That's nice and all, but it has been air power and sea power, not air power alone. And the strategic hinge is the Strait, not who is in charge in Tehran. Air power and sea power can control the Strait if Trump stops screwing around. Would have been over already if he hadn't wasted almost three months listening to Vance and Kushner and Witkoff. Would be closer to over if he hadn't lifted the blockade for three weeks.
March-level bombing of Southern Iran and sending destroyers to physically escort tankers will open the Strait. Blockade will break Iran in two months if kept up. Israel sucker punching Iran would accelerate things. Doesn't matter if the IRGC refuses to give up. Physically prevent their fight to the last Nazi mentality from mattering.
March-level bombing of Southern Iran and sending destroyers to physically escort tankers will open the Strait. Blockade will break Iran in two months if kept up. Israel sucker punching Iran would accelerate things. Doesn't matter if the IRGC refuses to give up. Physically prevent their fight to the last Nazi mentality from mattering.
Posted by: deepelemblues at July 23, 2026 04:00 PM (dxkJd)
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And that's assuming Dems win in 2028 on the platform of black girl magic and import the world.
In which case, being nuked by Iran would be an act of mercy on their part.
And that's assuming Dems win in 2028 on the platform of black girl magic and import the world.
In which case, being nuked by Iran would be an act of mercy on their part.
Posted by: Community Notes at July 23, 2026 04:00 PM (PVBkQ)
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Turns out those responsible for maintaining the country's infrastructure
Posted by: troyriser at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (v1M8F)
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Have been sacked.
Posted by: troyriser at July 23, 2026 03:46 PM (v1M8F)
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Have been sacked.
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 04:00 PM (Fi81e)
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I've thought about it.
Tell Israel to go ahead and nuke 'em. Who's going to fuck them up over it?
I've thought about it.
Tell Israel to go ahead and nuke 'em. Who's going to fuck them up over it?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:00 PM (mmrXZ)
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206 About half of Iran's food is imported. A full 25% of all its imports is food.
Let them eat pistachios!
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 04:00 PM (4NO2D)
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The bigger problems is that they import a large amount of grain for their livestock.
Their livestock are starving.
Let them eat pistachios!
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 04:00 PM (4NO2D)
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The bigger problems is that they import a large amount of grain for their livestock.
Their livestock are starving.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:01 PM (mnAVU)
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200 Apropos of nothing, Elon has lost about half of his potential SpaceX money from it's high but, that stock is a money pump if you have leveraged daytrading nerves of steel. It seems to be having a $5-$10/share swing every day, though drifting down.
Posted by: toby928(c) a
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You betcha', and when it hits 100 I'm buying smores.
Posted by: toby928(c) a
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You betcha', and when it hits 100 I'm buying smores.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 04:01 PM (ogcfP)
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Apropos of nothing, Elon has lost about half of his potential SpaceX money from it's high but, that stock is a money pump if you have leveraged daytrading nerves of steel. It seems to be having a $5-$10/share swing every day, though drifting down.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (4NO2D)
Wait for their next success.......
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (4NO2D)
Wait for their next success.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 04:01 PM (2YhKe)
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I am entirely comfortable with a program of intermittent bombing for years on end. Iran has been a fount of violence ever since the shah was deposed, and it will continue to be so until stopped. An extended period of reaping as it has sowed is in order.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (2+SeL
Yup.
Destroy the country.
Fly by daily afterward. If they try to think they can rebuild it, then snuff out those dreams in the cradle.
In twenty years when it's a depopulated wasteland, let the world look at it, shudder and fear our empire.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (2+SeL
Yup.
Destroy the country.
Fly by daily afterward. If they try to think they can rebuild it, then snuff out those dreams in the cradle.
In twenty years when it's a depopulated wasteland, let the world look at it, shudder and fear our empire.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 04:01 PM (BI5O2)
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Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 03:57 PM (6ydKt)
I was talking more about inconveniences or losses we might suffer during a military action or any type of 'catastrophe'. I understand that's a broad brush as there are exceptions.
I was talking more about inconveniences or losses we might suffer during a military action or any type of 'catastrophe'. I understand that's a broad brush as there are exceptions.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 04:02 PM (KC5Lt)
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215 Yup.
Destroy the country.
Fly by daily afterward. If they try to think they can rebuild it, then snuff out those dreams in the cradle.
In twenty years when it's a depopulated wasteland, let the world look at it, shudder and fear our empire.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 04:01 PM (BI5O2)
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Their GDP contracted about 40% during the Iran/Iraq war.
I wonder how much their GDP has contracted since March? With effectively no trade at all and their manufacturing base 80% destroyed.
Destroy the country.
Fly by daily afterward. If they try to think they can rebuild it, then snuff out those dreams in the cradle.
In twenty years when it's a depopulated wasteland, let the world look at it, shudder and fear our empire.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 04:01 PM (BI5O2)
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Their GDP contracted about 40% during the Iran/Iraq war.
I wonder how much their GDP has contracted since March? With effectively no trade at all and their manufacturing base 80% destroyed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:02 PM (mnAVU)
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If the CIA says it then it must be true.
They're experts and shit, and they always have the country's best interests in mind.
They're experts and shit, and they always have the country's best interests in mind.
Posted by: a.moron at July 23, 2026 04:03 PM (X5Jzz)
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The worst thing to do now is to stop, with some retarded 10 day ceasefire, and "negotiate".
Posted by: runner at July 23, 2026 04:03 PM (GD0B3)
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With what? They have no viable military.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM
I started to ask which one and then realized the answer was Yes.
Talk about a cripple fight..
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026
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Iran telling them that by allowing US access to military bases they are aiding the U.S. and have been put on notice that there will be consequences.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 23, 2026 03:40 PM
I started to ask which one and then realized the answer was Yes.
Talk about a cripple fight..
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026
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Iran telling them that by allowing US access to military bases they are aiding the U.S. and have been put on notice that there will be consequences.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 04:03 PM (NpAcC)
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SpaceX is still above its IPO price correct?
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 04:03 PM (KC5Lt)
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It seems to be having a $5-$10/share swing every day, though drifting down.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (4NO2D)
The big analysts are bullish in the long term.
I'm going to wait for it to drop some more, but the space business isn't going anywhere, and SpaceX is absolutely the world's leader.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (4NO2D)
The big analysts are bullish in the long term.
I'm going to wait for it to drop some more, but the space business isn't going anywhere, and SpaceX is absolutely the world's leader.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 23, 2026 04:04 PM (l4RKn)
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But they aren't better...and folks with lower incomes and pay raises (not talking folks on gov money, like SS or welfare, b/c they get inflation increases every year) are still hurting...and it's the "well I gave this guy a shot...he failed...then I gave this guy a shot...he failed...now I might as well try the next guy"...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (tOcjL)
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Gas prices were vastly better up until a couple months ago, food prices are also better, objectively. However the 10% inflation under Biden got baked into the cake and here we are. If you think any president is going to miraculously put us into a deflationary state you're delusional.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 23, 2026 03:42 PM (tOcjL)
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Gas prices were vastly better up until a couple months ago, food prices are also better, objectively. However the 10% inflation under Biden got baked into the cake and here we are. If you think any president is going to miraculously put us into a deflationary state you're delusional.
Posted by: ballistic at July 23, 2026 04:04 PM (5aZAZ)
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My theory of victory is to incapacitate the regime specifically the IRGC to the point so that the Artesh and the people (Immortal Guard) can serve as the much-vaunted "boots on the ground" to ensure the end of this murderous regime.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 23, 2026 04:04 PM (JvZF+)
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We're not waging a war. By every definition, this is a punitive expedition.
But we don't need a ground invasion to erase the idea of Iran as a polity. From the air, every electrical generation facility, bridge, petroleum storage tank and water desalination plant can be destroyed. Total civilizational collapse within weeks.
Not saying I want to do that, but we can absolutely end Iran from the air.
But we don't need a ground invasion to erase the idea of Iran as a polity. From the air, every electrical generation facility, bridge, petroleum storage tank and water desalination plant can be destroyed. Total civilizational collapse within weeks.
Not saying I want to do that, but we can absolutely end Iran from the air.
Posted by: Jack Package at July 23, 2026 04:04 PM (+93Us)
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220 Iran telling them that by allowing US access to military bases they are aiding the U.S. and have been put on notice that there will be consequences.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 04:03 PM (NpAcC)
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Iran also says that it mined the Omani side of the strait which has had regular traffic through it for a couple of months now despite anything Iran says.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 23, 2026 04:03 PM (NpAcC)
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Iran also says that it mined the Omani side of the strait which has had regular traffic through it for a couple of months now despite anything Iran says.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:04 PM (mnAVU)
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Report: CIA Says Iran Won't Yield to US Strikes
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"All we are saying ...
Is give nukes a chance."
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"All we are saying ...
Is give nukes a chance."
Posted by: ShainS -- He of The Unnecessary Vowels! at July 23, 2026 04:05 PM (KdsrD)
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We severed Iran's only rail line to China last week.
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They were getting more than food from China.
We severed Iran's only rail line to China last week.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
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They were getting more than food from China.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 04:05 PM (ogcfP)
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When you're just killing one or two guys, you can't justify the cost of a single-use Reaper. You need a cheaper way to deliver the kill.
That's what I mean when I say these drones need to be serviced (refueled/charged up) and re-armed with more grenades to drop on people's head.
Posted by: ace
I don't think that's what's needed to win a war through air power. You just destroy critical infrastructure (and kill individual leaders) until they capitulate or are so devastated that the are no longer a threat (and serve as a warning to others).
Trump could knock out bridges, power, oil production, major factories, dams, and completely stone age them. He hasn't yet, but he could, leaving them crippled for a decade or more.
That's what I mean when I say these drones need to be serviced (refueled/charged up) and re-armed with more grenades to drop on people's head.
Posted by: ace
I don't think that's what's needed to win a war through air power. You just destroy critical infrastructure (and kill individual leaders) until they capitulate or are so devastated that the are no longer a threat (and serve as a warning to others).
Trump could knock out bridges, power, oil production, major factories, dams, and completely stone age them. He hasn't yet, but he could, leaving them crippled for a decade or more.
Posted by: Military Moron at July 23, 2026 04:05 PM (Xy2sd)
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228 They were getting more than food from China.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 04:05 PM (ogcfP)
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And look at all the good it's done them.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 04:05 PM (ogcfP)
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And look at all the good it's done them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:06 PM (mnAVU)
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Posted by: deepelemblues at July 23, 2026 04:00 PM (dxkJd)
It's the Saudi vs Houthi thing I'm really watching.
Arab League is not happy...
It's the Saudi vs Houthi thing I'm really watching.
Arab League is not happy...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 04:06 PM (mP0Kj)
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Honestly, we cannot be sure where this report came from, they rely on something from WaPO, that said that there is a report, but what are they talking about, really ??
Posted by: runner at July 23, 2026 04:06 PM (GD0B3)
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229 Trump could knock out bridges, power, oil production, major factories, dams, and completely stone age them. He hasn't yet, but he could, leaving them crippled for a decade or more.
Posted by: Military Moron at July 23, 2026 04:05 PM (Xy2sd)
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We've been hitting power plants for a few days, actually.
Posted by: Military Moron at July 23, 2026 04:05 PM (Xy2sd)
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We've been hitting power plants for a few days, actually.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:06 PM (mnAVU)
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Iran telling them that by allowing US access to military bases they are aiding the U.S. and have been put on notice that there will be consequences.
Posted by: redridinghood
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lol What the hell could Iran do to the UK?
Iran telling them that by allowing US access to military bases they are aiding the U.S. and have been put on notice that there will be consequences.
Posted by: redridinghood
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lol What the hell could Iran do to the UK?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (mmrXZ)
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As rule Britannia would have done. We could make a deal with the Baluch to clean out the IRGC. If they succeed we help them separated from Pakistan.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (ogcfP)
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234 lol What the hell could Iran do to the UK?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (mmrXZ)
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Tell the incoming government to nuke London?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (mmrXZ)
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Tell the incoming government to nuke London?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (mnAVU)
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The Saudis should have annexed south Yemen a decade ago. It's their problem now.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (n5tGW)
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It might have been worth the time and effort to get the other Gulf States involved, militarily in this little deal. They've got more at stake than we do.
Seizing the oil production and related logistical infrastructure would be a worthwhile objective for the neighboring countries to undertake with US assistance. But that's apparently not possible.
And, if reports are true that Iran (with help from either/or both China and Russia) is targeting the billeting quarters at regional bases to kill Americans in an attempt to curry favor with anti-American forces here at home and abroad, then we really oughta' target a mosque a day and level it.
Seizing the oil production and related logistical infrastructure would be a worthwhile objective for the neighboring countries to undertake with US assistance. But that's apparently not possible.
And, if reports are true that Iran (with help from either/or both China and Russia) is targeting the billeting quarters at regional bases to kill Americans in an attempt to curry favor with anti-American forces here at home and abroad, then we really oughta' target a mosque a day and level it.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (jehhT)
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I live near the bearing heart of America's nuclear industry.
It's not some shit you can stick together from bubblegum and toothpicks.
No roads, no water, no power, no nuclear business.
It's not some shit you can stick together from bubblegum and toothpicks.
No roads, no water, no power, no nuclear business.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (BI5O2)
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Question. President says our strategy is to bomb Iran...
CIA leaks a report that it won't work, directly undermining the Commander in Chief, and giving aid and comfort to our enemy...
Is this 'report' flat out treason?
CIA leaks a report that it won't work, directly undermining the Commander in Chief, and giving aid and comfort to our enemy...
Is this 'report' flat out treason?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (mP0Kj)
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"Ukraine is proving you can fight the Russian army and navy to a standstill -- or better -- with air power, specifically, drone power."
I'm not sure that's true. I don't believe anything coming out of Ukraine, but it seems like Russia is continuing to slowly grind through the remaining hard defenses. Slowly but surely. I could be wrong, but that's how I read the news reports.
I'm not sure that's true. I don't believe anything coming out of Ukraine, but it seems like Russia is continuing to slowly grind through the remaining hard defenses. Slowly but surely. I could be wrong, but that's how I read the news reports.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (iFTx/)
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What the hell could Iran do to the UK?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (mmrXZ)
What the hell could the UK do to stop them?
Talk about two monkeys trying to fuck a football.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (mmrXZ)
What the hell could the UK do to stop them?
Talk about two monkeys trying to fuck a football.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, preparing for The Reckoning at July 23, 2026 04:08 PM (/B9J1)
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Honestly, we cannot be sure where this report came from, they rely on something from WaPO...
Posted by: runner at July 23, 2026 04:06 PM (GD0B3)
Good point. The combination of the CIA and the Washington Post is almost a guarantee of a massively slanted report that might not be even close to reality.
Posted by: runner at July 23, 2026 04:06 PM (GD0B3)
Good point. The combination of the CIA and the Washington Post is almost a guarantee of a massively slanted report that might not be even close to reality.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 23, 2026 04:08 PM (l4RKn)
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lol What the hell could Iran do to the UK?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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They had/have missiles that could reach the UK.
Is too funny.
lol What the hell could Iran do to the UK?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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They had/have missiles that could reach the UK.
Is too funny.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 04:08 PM (ogcfP)
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Report: CIA Says Iran Won't Yield to US Strikes
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When a CIA assessment sounds like a declaration by the mullahs...
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When a CIA assessment sounds like a declaration by the mullahs...
Posted by: ... at July 23, 2026 04:08 PM (Nhyh3)
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I think the only reason the CIA has to release a report that Water is Wet, is to get it in the media cycle that Trump's not running the operation right.
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:52 PM (Fi81e)
Yup, pure Deep State crap... undermining the Lawfully elected Commander in Chief.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 03:54 PM (mP0Kj)
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Concur. While the basic premise is correct, this was a political story.
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 03:52 PM (Fi81e)
Yup, pure Deep State crap... undermining the Lawfully elected Commander in Chief.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 03:54 PM (mP0Kj)
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Concur. While the basic premise is correct, this was a political story.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 23, 2026 04:09 PM (2WIwB)
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They had/have missiles that could reach the UK.
Is too funny.
Posted by: Braenyard
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No, it's not funny, but those missiles couldn't be intercepted on their way from Iran to the UK?
They had/have missiles that could reach the UK.
Is too funny.
Posted by: Braenyard
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No, it's not funny, but those missiles couldn't be intercepted on their way from Iran to the UK?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:09 PM (mmrXZ)
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245 Concur. While the basic premise is correct, this was a political story.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 23, 2026 04:09 PM (2WIwB)
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Can I just say that 8 months of only bombing completely toppled the Libyan leadership and descended the country into chaos and civil war?
Posted by: Diogenes at July 23, 2026 04:09 PM (2WIwB)
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Can I just say that 8 months of only bombing completely toppled the Libyan leadership and descended the country into chaos and civil war?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (mnAVU)
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CIA leaks a report that it won't work, directly undermining the Commander in Chief, and giving aid and comfort to our enemy...
Is this 'report' flat out treason?
Posted by: Romeo13
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For starters, a good waterboarding is in order.
Is this 'report' flat out treason?
Posted by: Romeo13
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For starters, a good waterboarding is in order.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (ogcfP)
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It seems to be having a $5-$10/share swing every day, though drifting down.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (4NO2D)
The big analysts are bullish in the long term.
I'm going to wait for it to drop some more, but the space business isn't going anywhere, and SpaceX is absolutely the world's leader.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 23, 2026 04:04 PM
At some point SpaceX might turn a profit. I think the Starlink component is slightly profitable, but that might be by cost shifting.
I do remember wondering when Amazon would ever turn a profit, and look at them now.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 03:58 PM (4NO2D)
The big analysts are bullish in the long term.
I'm going to wait for it to drop some more, but the space business isn't going anywhere, and SpaceX is absolutely the world's leader.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 23, 2026 04:04 PM
At some point SpaceX might turn a profit. I think the Starlink component is slightly profitable, but that might be by cost shifting.
I do remember wondering when Amazon would ever turn a profit, and look at them now.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (4NO2D)
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Can I just say that 8 months of only bombing completely toppled the Libyan leadership and descended the country into chaos and civil war?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (mnAVU)
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No, you may not!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (mnAVU)
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No, you may not!
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 04:11 PM (Fi81e)
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There's an entire civilian population that if properly armed and let loose would likely have this wrapped up in about a month. Just don't work through a middleman like the fucking Kurds.
We leveraged the Persian population early on and they were cunning enough to point out high value targets to both the US and the Israelis. They're not helpless. They've been on the sidelines for too long.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 23, 2026 03:24 PM (jehhT)
We need to stop relying on the lace panty Ivy League poofters at CIA to arm the average man-on-the-street Persian. I guarantee that they gave all the weapons/ammo to the Kurds because randomly distributing weapons without having strict serial number control of every Glock and AR15 that entered the country would be icky and turn the Persians into swarthy rednecks demanding a NASCAR Tehran 500 race.
Give the mission to the E4 Mafia at Department of War. Randomly air drop a bunch of yeet cannons, Glocks and Evil Black Rifles into Tehran, Qom and Isfahan, especially over the universities. Include Farsi subtitled DVD copies of Rambo III, kick back on the porch with a beer and contemplate the paradise of a mullah-free world.
There's an entire civilian population that if properly armed and let loose would likely have this wrapped up in about a month. Just don't work through a middleman like the fucking Kurds.
We leveraged the Persian population early on and they were cunning enough to point out high value targets to both the US and the Israelis. They're not helpless. They've been on the sidelines for too long.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 23, 2026 03:24 PM (jehhT)
We need to stop relying on the lace panty Ivy League poofters at CIA to arm the average man-on-the-street Persian. I guarantee that they gave all the weapons/ammo to the Kurds because randomly distributing weapons without having strict serial number control of every Glock and AR15 that entered the country would be icky and turn the Persians into swarthy rednecks demanding a NASCAR Tehran 500 race.
Give the mission to the E4 Mafia at Department of War. Randomly air drop a bunch of yeet cannons, Glocks and Evil Black Rifles into Tehran, Qom and Isfahan, especially over the universities. Include Farsi subtitled DVD copies of Rambo III, kick back on the porch with a beer and contemplate the paradise of a mullah-free world.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 23, 2026 04:11 PM (y9nCu)
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12 Alaska doesn't mind the price of oil going up. I suspect neither Texas nor North Dakota minds it at all.
Posted by: tcn in AK
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It is not mentioned much but the dynamics of this oil crisis has the money staying in the US to develop more oil and gas resources domestically and in Venezuela rather than shipping it abroad to Arabs and paying for it in inflationary petro dollars like in the 1973, 1979, and subsequent oil shocks.
And we are actually selling high priced oil to foreigners which makes this oil crisis ahistoric by recent standards making its effects on the US far different than in previous episodes. As a result our trade deficits are dropping.
Posted by: tcn in AK
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It is not mentioned much but the dynamics of this oil crisis has the money staying in the US to develop more oil and gas resources domestically and in Venezuela rather than shipping it abroad to Arabs and paying for it in inflationary petro dollars like in the 1973, 1979, and subsequent oil shocks.
And we are actually selling high priced oil to foreigners which makes this oil crisis ahistoric by recent standards making its effects on the US far different than in previous episodes. As a result our trade deficits are dropping.
Posted by: whig at July 23, 2026 04:11 PM (E4rtv)
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244 Can I just say that 8 months of only bombing completely toppled the Libyan leadership and descended the country into chaos and civil war?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (mnAVU)
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No, you may not!
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 04:11 PM (Fi81e)
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Well, it's a good thing I only typed it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (mnAVU)
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No, you may not!
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 04:11 PM (Fi81e)
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Well, it's a good thing I only typed it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:11 PM (mnAVU)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 04:11 PM (ogcfP)
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I was talking more about inconveniences or losses we might suffer during a military action or any type of 'catastrophe'. I understand that's a broad brush as there are exceptions.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 04:02 PM (KC5Lt)
Oil prices have been pissing people off since 2003.
Price inflation overall really hurt after 2008 and 2020.
I think it's down to "Damn, Look At The Price of That Now!" fatigue.
We soldiered on through 11 years and 20 years of Irag & Afgahnistan.
The shitshow that is the Middle East and fighting against crazy Muslims for over two decades is wearing thin, too.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 04:02 PM (KC5Lt)
Oil prices have been pissing people off since 2003.
Price inflation overall really hurt after 2008 and 2020.
I think it's down to "Damn, Look At The Price of That Now!" fatigue.
We soldiered on through 11 years and 20 years of Irag & Afgahnistan.
The shitshow that is the Middle East and fighting against crazy Muslims for over two decades is wearing thin, too.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 04:11 PM (6ydKt)
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Bet me that they said the exact opposite when the initial strike to decapitate the leadership was decided!
Posted by: Unkaren at July 23, 2026 04:12 PM (p7UGH)
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@230: ***Arab League is not happy...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 04:06 PM (mP0Kj)
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Lollypop league>>>than the Arab League
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 04:06 PM (mP0Kj)
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Lollypop league>>>than the Arab League
Posted by: Dorothy at July 23, 2026 04:12 PM (DNU6e)
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Is this 'report' flat out treason?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (mP0Kj)
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Was it co-signed by fifty intelligence "experts"?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (mP0Kj)
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Was it co-signed by fifty intelligence "experts"?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 23, 2026 04:12 PM (JvZF+)
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Trump threatens to attack Iran every time its proxy army in Yemen attacks ships, but I don't think that's much of a threat, because he's already attacking Iran.
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Bomb the shit out of The Houthi underground rats in Yemen.
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Bomb the shit out of The Houthi underground rats in Yemen.
Posted by: ShainS -- He of The Unnecessary Vowels! at July 23, 2026 04:12 PM (KdsrD)
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At some point SpaceX might turn a profit. I think the Starlink component is slightly profitable, but that might be by cost shifting.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (4NO2D)
Once StarLink has a critical mass of satellites I think it will become reasonably profitable. I would be shocked if they were close right now because of all of the launches they are doing.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (4NO2D)
Once StarLink has a critical mass of satellites I think it will become reasonably profitable. I would be shocked if they were close right now because of all of the launches they are doing.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 23, 2026 04:12 PM (l4RKn)
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Found out Alaska already has voter id, doesn't have to be photo, but still Murkowski is asshoe.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 23, 2026 04:13 PM (n5tGW)
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244 Can I just say that 8 months of only bombing completely toppled the Libyan leadership and descended the country into chaos and civil war?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (mnAVU)
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No, you may not!
Posted by: Axeman
To be fair, there has long been an internal cleavage in Libya like in most African nations. centered around Tobruk v. Benghazi centers of power.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (mnAVU)
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No, you may not!
Posted by: Axeman
To be fair, there has long been an internal cleavage in Libya like in most African nations. centered around Tobruk v. Benghazi centers of power.
Posted by: whig at July 23, 2026 04:13 PM (E4rtv)
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No, it's not funny, but those missiles couldn't be intercepted on their way from Iran to the UK?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:09 PM (mmrXZ)
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Considering Iran's targeting capabilities at that long range, those missiles are likely to fizzle out over a Muslim banlieue outside of Paris.
Hilarity ensues.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:09 PM (mmrXZ)
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Considering Iran's targeting capabilities at that long range, those missiles are likely to fizzle out over a Muslim banlieue outside of Paris.
Hilarity ensues.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 23, 2026 04:13 PM (FZ29D)
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256 To be fair, there has long been an internal cleavage in Libya like in most African nations. centered around Tobruk v. Benghazi centers of power.
Posted by: whig at July 23, 2026 04:13 PM (E4rtv)
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Iran being an oppressed nation by foreign invaders is probably some kind of cleavage.
Posted by: whig at July 23, 2026 04:13 PM (E4rtv)
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Iran being an oppressed nation by foreign invaders is probably some kind of cleavage.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:13 PM (mnAVU)
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The shitshow that is the Middle East and fighting against crazy Muslims for over two decades is wearing thin, too.
Muslims have demonstrated for centuries that they are completely incompatible with civilization. We have maintained live demonstration reminders of this fact now for at least two generations.
So why do we allow Muslims to settle in the US and the West?
Muslims have demonstrated for centuries that they are completely incompatible with civilization. We have maintained live demonstration reminders of this fact now for at least two generations.
So why do we allow Muslims to settle in the US and the West?
Posted by: Community Notes at July 23, 2026 04:13 PM (9s47C)
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Vastly underreported is the bombing on the economy in Iran. IRGC assets are being frozen all over the world. Their shell
companies and banking connections are mostly dried up. The IRGC and regular army are not getting paid.
Food , water, medicine , electricity and gasoline are in short supply.
companies and banking connections are mostly dried up. The IRGC and regular army are not getting paid.
Food , water, medicine , electricity and gasoline are in short supply.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 23, 2026 04:14 PM (abScH)
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It’s tempting to think “let Israel do it”; but a fact check: overall Iranian ground forces are easily 10 times the size of Israel’s - it’s a good thing they can’t cross Iraq with that mess. Israel does a fantastic job with their military and punches way above their weight; but they were pushed to their limits to try to take and Gaza. In terms of square miles , Gaza is about the same size as the City of Houston.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 23, 2026 04:14 PM (T2w7I)
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Found out Alaska already has voter id, doesn't have to be photo, but still Murkowski is asshoe.
So your Blockbuster video card still has value.
So your Blockbuster video card still has value.
Posted by: Community Notes at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (9s47C)
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Can I just say that 8 months of only bombing completely toppled the Libyan leadership and descended the country into chaos and civil war?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (mnAVU)
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Libya's Ghaddafi-led regime was already facing substantial rebellions from both the west and the east, with the western forces eventually breaking through, due to the assistance from NATO air power, and capturing Tripoli (and Ghaddafi himself). This was similar to the proposals in March for assisting a rebellion that would have advanced from Tabriz to Tehran, but these proposals were rejected by elements in the United States government opposed to regime change in Iran.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:10 PM (mnAVU)
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Libya's Ghaddafi-led regime was already facing substantial rebellions from both the west and the east, with the western forces eventually breaking through, due to the assistance from NATO air power, and capturing Tripoli (and Ghaddafi himself). This was similar to the proposals in March for assisting a rebellion that would have advanced from Tabriz to Tehran, but these proposals were rejected by elements in the United States government opposed to regime change in Iran.
Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (4qpnH)
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Once StarLink has a critical mass of satellites I think it will become reasonably profitable. I would be shocked if they were close right now because of all of the launches they are doing.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 23, 2026 04:12 PM
Merging xAI with the space sector is what puts me off of holding the stock long. That sector is just a bleeding wound.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 23, 2026 04:12 PM
Merging xAI with the space sector is what puts me off of holding the stock long. That sector is just a bleeding wound.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (4NO2D)
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What the hell could the UK do to stop them?
Talk about two monkeys trying to fuck a football.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
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Call NATO?
Okay, I'll stop. Good question though, and I lol'd at your answer.
What the hell could the UK do to stop them?
Talk about two monkeys trying to fuck a football.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
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Call NATO?
Okay, I'll stop. Good question though, and I lol'd at your answer.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (mmrXZ)
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251 @230: ***Arab League is not happy...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 04:06 PM (mP0Kj)
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Lollypop league>>>than the Arab League
Posted by: Dorothy at July 23, 2026 04:12 PM (DNU6e)
True, the Munchkins DID have a military unit armed with Muskets. Never did figure out why they just didn't shoot the bitch, I mean witch.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 04:06 PM (mP0Kj)
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Lollypop league>>>than the Arab League
Posted by: Dorothy at July 23, 2026 04:12 PM (DNU6e)
True, the Munchkins DID have a military unit armed with Muskets. Never did figure out why they just didn't shoot the bitch, I mean witch.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (mP0Kj)
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Air power *that excludes civilian infrastructure as legitimate targets* can't win wars.
Winning wars means destroying not physical stuff - but the will of the enemy to oppose your will.
If they don't value their stuff, or their own civilians' lives enough to say "enough" - then there's nothing left to do than kill them all.
Sorry to be so blunt about it, but thats the fact. They won't surrender - therefore they must all die.
Winning wars means destroying not physical stuff - but the will of the enemy to oppose your will.
If they don't value their stuff, or their own civilians' lives enough to say "enough" - then there's nothing left to do than kill them all.
Sorry to be so blunt about it, but thats the fact. They won't surrender - therefore they must all die.
Posted by: Defenestratus at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (WYStd)
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261 It’s tempting to think “let Israel do it”; but a fact check: overall Iranian ground forces are easily 10 times the size of Israel’s - it’s a good thing they can’t cross Iraq with that mess. Israel does a fantastic job with their military and punches way above their weight; but they were pushed to their limits to try to take and Gaza. In terms of square miles , Gaza is about the same size as the City of Houston.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 23, 2026 04:14 PM (T2w7I)
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We've largely kept Iran's regular army intact. No leadership strikes on them, even when Israel was mercing everyone they could locate for 6 straight weeks.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 23, 2026 04:14 PM (T2w7I)
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We've largely kept Iran's regular army intact. No leadership strikes on them, even when Israel was mercing everyone they could locate for 6 straight weeks.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (mnAVU)
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"Everyone understand a machine-gun pointed right at your head." I would not want a Marine pointed at my head without a gun.
Loved the awesome video, Ace! Thank you and I will be sending to others! Thankful to be an American!
My father was a WWII Marine Sgt who spent 30mo in the Pacific Theater, including Peleliu. BS degree in chemistry he claimed to us he mostly goofed off and helped make stills for his friends to ferment anything (he said he just watched).
Nothing stopped him in life, and nothing will stop the US Marines.
I love all of our armed forces and pray for them every night.
While some wail over the price of gas, another quagmire, etc, it had to be done for the first time in 47yrs. President Trump knew this. The armchair quarterbackers can wail away. However, you cannot negotiate with terrorist barbarians. Decimate them all.
There were already "boots on the ground" in my humble and ignorant mind/opinion. Special Forces working with Israel's Mossad and before the first bomb a year ago.
Loved the awesome video, Ace! Thank you and I will be sending to others! Thankful to be an American!
My father was a WWII Marine Sgt who spent 30mo in the Pacific Theater, including Peleliu. BS degree in chemistry he claimed to us he mostly goofed off and helped make stills for his friends to ferment anything (he said he just watched).
Nothing stopped him in life, and nothing will stop the US Marines.
I love all of our armed forces and pray for them every night.
While some wail over the price of gas, another quagmire, etc, it had to be done for the first time in 47yrs. President Trump knew this. The armchair quarterbackers can wail away. However, you cannot negotiate with terrorist barbarians. Decimate them all.
There were already "boots on the ground" in my humble and ignorant mind/opinion. Special Forces working with Israel's Mossad and before the first bomb a year ago.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (hzuYO)
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No roads, no water, no power, no nuclear business.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (BI5O2)
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Nucular.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (BI5O2)
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Nucular.
Posted by: George Bush at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (JvZF+)
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So why do we allow Muslims to settle in the US and the West?
Posted by: Community Notes at July 23, 2026 04:13 PM (9s47C)
Because our Communists love Muslims.
Fellow totalitarian supremacists.
Posted by: Community Notes at July 23, 2026 04:13 PM (9s47C)
Because our Communists love Muslims.
Fellow totalitarian supremacists.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 04:16 PM (6ydKt)
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I do remember wondering when Amazon would ever turn a profit, and look at them now.
Posted by: toby928(c)
The ironic thing is that AWS and in house advertising on Amazon itself with its product placement in searches has become the company rather than selling goods.
Their margins on ads and AWS is far higher than the meager single digit growth and profit rate in their retail business which is why you see so much TEMU like crap there--a lot of better brands are not sold on Amazon as they were in previous times.
Instead, you get the brand of the day generic product from a Chinese mfg that changes with the day.
Posted by: toby928(c)
The ironic thing is that AWS and in house advertising on Amazon itself with its product placement in searches has become the company rather than selling goods.
Their margins on ads and AWS is far higher than the meager single digit growth and profit rate in their retail business which is why you see so much TEMU like crap there--a lot of better brands are not sold on Amazon as they were in previous times.
Instead, you get the brand of the day generic product from a Chinese mfg that changes with the day.
Posted by: whig at July 23, 2026 04:16 PM (E4rtv)
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We've largely kept Iran's regular army intact. No leadership strikes on them, even when Israel was mercing everyone they could locate for 6 straight weeks.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (mnAVU)
And most of its leadership. Interesting, that...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (mnAVU)
And most of its leadership. Interesting, that...
Posted by: runner at July 23, 2026 04:17 PM (GD0B3)
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Trump threatens to attack Iran every time its proxy army in Yemen attacks ships, but I don't think that's much of a threat, because he's already attacking Iran.
Obviously the bombing is only good for the MIC and military recruitment goals.
Maybe its time to change incentives and get more international involvement.
For every ship Iran or Yemen attacks, the US deports 10,000 Muslims.
Obviously the bombing is only good for the MIC and military recruitment goals.
Maybe its time to change incentives and get more international involvement.
For every ship Iran or Yemen attacks, the US deports 10,000 Muslims.
Posted by: Community Notes at July 23, 2026 04:17 PM (9s47C)
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No roads, no water, no power, no nuclear business.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (BI5O2)
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Not a single luxury...
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 23, 2026 04:07 PM (BI5O2)
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Not a single luxury...
Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 04:17 PM (Fi81e)
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I agree that air power alone won't do the trick.
But the naval blockade and the destruction of Iran's ability to function might. Bomb the bridges. Isolate the south. Bomb the power stations. Kill the IRGC where ever you can find them.
Be patient. I am patient.
But the naval blockade and the destruction of Iran's ability to function might. Bomb the bridges. Isolate the south. Bomb the power stations. Kill the IRGC where ever you can find them.
Be patient. I am patient.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at July 23, 2026 04:18 PM (qFwJc)
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overall Iranian ground forces are easily 10 times the size of Israel’s
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 23, 2026 04:14 PM (T2w7I)
Absolutely not.
Israel has a huge army (500,000+). I doubt it is much smaller than Iran's.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 23, 2026 04:14 PM (T2w7I)
Absolutely not.
Israel has a huge army (500,000+). I doubt it is much smaller than Iran's.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 23, 2026 04:18 PM (l4RKn)
Posted by: Gilligan at July 23, 2026 04:18 PM (2Ez/1)
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Oh, and another thought.
Trump is done being jerked around by the Iranian govt. They are "liars and scum."
Trump is done being jerked around by the Iranian govt. They are "liars and scum."
Posted by: no one of any consequence at July 23, 2026 04:19 PM (qFwJc)
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276 I agree that air power alone won't do the trick.
But the naval blockade and the destruction of Iran's ability to function might. Bomb the bridges. Isolate the south. Bomb the power stations. Kill the IRGC where ever you can find them.
Be patient. I am patient.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at July 23, 2026 04:18 PM (qFwJc)
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The blockade is the real killer for Iran. How are they going to pay China for new military equipment when their GDP collapses by at least 50% in a few months and its rial is worthless and it can't get dollars because it can't trade oil?
But the naval blockade and the destruction of Iran's ability to function might. Bomb the bridges. Isolate the south. Bomb the power stations. Kill the IRGC where ever you can find them.
Be patient. I am patient.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at July 23, 2026 04:18 PM (qFwJc)
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The blockade is the real killer for Iran. How are they going to pay China for new military equipment when their GDP collapses by at least 50% in a few months and its rial is worthless and it can't get dollars because it can't trade oil?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:19 PM (mnAVU)
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>>CIA Report: Air Power Alone Can't Win Wars
Really? Wow!
That's some top-men level anal-y-sis right there.
Really? Wow!
That's some top-men level anal-y-sis right there.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 23, 2026 04:19 PM (XV/Pl)
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281 >>CIA Report: Air Power Alone Can't Win Wars
Really? Wow!
That's some top-men level anal-y-sis right there.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 23, 2026 04:19 PM (XV/Pl)
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Trump should combine it with some economic pressure. Maybe some kind of wholesale ending of 90% of the country's trade...
But how could he possibly do that?
Really? Wow!
That's some top-men level anal-y-sis right there.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 23, 2026 04:19 PM (XV/Pl)
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Trump should combine it with some economic pressure. Maybe some kind of wholesale ending of 90% of the country's trade...
But how could he possibly do that?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:20 PM (mnAVU)
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All out war. Okay, but do it right. A draft. And no more overseas military commitment without an equal domestic equivalent. They're the enemy or they aren't. Shut down every mosque in America and evict every Islamic cleric or radical. No due process. Gone. Ban CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood. Get them off every college campus and urban warren where they hide. Outlaw Sharia Law.
Posted by: Ordinary American at July 23, 2026 04:20 PM (fZiTB)
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281 >>CIA Report: Air Power Alone Can't Win Wars
Really? Wow!
That's some top-men level anal-y-sis right there.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 23, 2026 04:19 PM
After all, this is a Smart Military Blog™.
Really? Wow!
That's some top-men level anal-y-sis right there.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 23, 2026 04:19 PM
After all, this is a Smart Military Blog™.
Posted by: Your mileage may vary at July 23, 2026 04:21 PM (2Ez/1)
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The Artesh has to my knowledge mostly been on the sidelines. Perhaps they are waiting to see who gains the upper hand.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 23, 2026 04:21 PM (JvZF+)
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No, it's not funny, but those missiles couldn't be intercepted on their way from Iran to the UK?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:09 PM (mmrXZ)
They could. But considering how the Limeys have hated, Hated, HATED Americans since we pulled their asses out of the fire at least twice in the 20th Century (three times if you count the Marshall Plan).... Fuck them. They didn't want to spend their own money to maintain their own defenses, so I don't have a problem with standing on the sidelines watching them learn that it was a really bad idea.
No, it's not funny, but those missiles couldn't be intercepted on their way from Iran to the UK?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:09 PM (mmrXZ)
They could. But considering how the Limeys have hated, Hated, HATED Americans since we pulled their asses out of the fire at least twice in the 20th Century (three times if you count the Marshall Plan).... Fuck them. They didn't want to spend their own money to maintain their own defenses, so I don't have a problem with standing on the sidelines watching them learn that it was a really bad idea.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 23, 2026 04:21 PM (y9nCu)
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While some wail over the price of gas,
Trump made sure that the US was well on its way to being energy independent before initiating corrective measures on Iran.
Imagine fuel prices if a demoncrat were in charge? We would have no fuel and a collapsed grid.
Trump made sure that the US was well on its way to being energy independent before initiating corrective measures on Iran.
Imagine fuel prices if a demoncrat were in charge? We would have no fuel and a collapsed grid.
Posted by: Community Notes at July 23, 2026 04:22 PM (9Hs2w)
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The Artesh has to my knowledge mostly been on the sidelines. Perhaps they are waiting to see who gains the upper hand.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 23, 2026 04:21 PM
Didn't we pound an armored division a few days ago? At the same time as we were hitting those bridges.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 23, 2026 04:21 PM
Didn't we pound an armored division a few days ago? At the same time as we were hitting those bridges.
Posted by: toby928(c) at July 23, 2026 04:22 PM (4NO2D)
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@282
>>But how could he possibly do that?
Don't start wars/kinetic actions you are not prepared to go all the way with.
The only bigger Trump stan than me is Jack Straw and even I'm getting tired of his conduct of the Iran Kinetic Action.
>>But how could he possibly do that?
Don't start wars/kinetic actions you are not prepared to go all the way with.
The only bigger Trump stan than me is Jack Straw and even I'm getting tired of his conduct of the Iran Kinetic Action.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (XV/Pl)
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The Artesh has to my knowledge mostly been on the sidelines. Perhaps they are waiting to see who gains the upper hand.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 23, 2026 04:21 PM (JvZF+)
All the more reason to up the pain of the bombing. Let's see if they get off their asses if the prospect of the people they know starving to death presents itself.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 23, 2026 04:21 PM (JvZF+)
All the more reason to up the pain of the bombing. Let's see if they get off their asses if the prospect of the people they know starving to death presents itself.
Posted by: the lower depths at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (Yh7zv)
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News and Insights
Mortgage Rates Rise Further as Iran War Sends Oil Back Above $100, July 23, 2026
It begins, "Mortgage rates continued their ascent this week, climbing to a new 11-month high as the escalating conflict with Iran puts upward pressure on oil prices."
Nothing compared to years ago: Mortgage rates in the early 1980s did spike past 18 percent, hitting an all-time high average of 18.63 percent in October 1981. This happened because the Federal Reserve raised interest rates heavily to stop runaway inflation.
Nevertheless, buyers nowadays are .... softer. And the msm loves it because Trump. And it didn't mattered for Biden though 30 year mortgaged were peaking near 7.8% in late 2023, hovering significantly higher than at the start of the POTatUS' term.
News and Insights
Mortgage Rates Rise Further as Iran War Sends Oil Back Above $100, July 23, 2026
It begins, "Mortgage rates continued their ascent this week, climbing to a new 11-month high as the escalating conflict with Iran puts upward pressure on oil prices."
Nothing compared to years ago: Mortgage rates in the early 1980s did spike past 18 percent, hitting an all-time high average of 18.63 percent in October 1981. This happened because the Federal Reserve raised interest rates heavily to stop runaway inflation.
Nevertheless, buyers nowadays are .... softer. And the msm loves it because Trump. And it didn't mattered for Biden though 30 year mortgaged were peaking near 7.8% in late 2023, hovering significantly higher than at the start of the POTatUS' term.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (NFX2v)
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*Shut down every mosque in America and evict every Islamic cleric or radical. No due process. Gone. Ban CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood. Get them off every college campus and urban warren where they hide. Outlaw Sharia Law.*
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But That's Not Who We Are™.
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But That's Not Who We Are™.
Posted by: Effeminate leaders everywhere at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (2Ez/1)
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The likely path to victory -- excluding a ground invasion, which seems politically impossible
.......
Help Israel invade and plant their flag. Game over.
Bonus: Shrieking from the left.
.......
Help Israel invade and plant their flag. Game over.
Bonus: Shrieking from the left.
Posted by: wth at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (UjdFS)
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (KC5Lt)
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Pantelrilla vs Malta, discuss.
Oh wait Italians with no support vs British with Herculean support.
Oh wait Italians with no support vs British with Herculean support.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 23, 2026 04:24 PM (7d1L5)
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The thing about Iran is:
1. The lost their biggest customer for refining crude (Venezuela)
2. Their inflation rate prior to any hostilities was pushing up near 40%.
3. Infrastructure in Iran prior to hostilities was atrocious. Over 1/2 of school buildings had partial or full collapse of roofs. Water desalination was abysmal in efficiency, and agricuture was in the toilet.
4. Protests were starting to ramp up.
Then Israel (and eventually the US) started dismantling their intelligence and IRG hierarchy. But, the protests dissipated. This was because the Iranians in power set up countrywide check points that disallowed people to travel to hot spot protesting areas. I thought sure we'd see those checkpoints targetted to encourage an internal changing of the guard. I even thought there would be Israeli teams on the ground addressing them directly. But, that never seemed to happen.
1. The lost their biggest customer for refining crude (Venezuela)
2. Their inflation rate prior to any hostilities was pushing up near 40%.
3. Infrastructure in Iran prior to hostilities was atrocious. Over 1/2 of school buildings had partial or full collapse of roofs. Water desalination was abysmal in efficiency, and agricuture was in the toilet.
4. Protests were starting to ramp up.
Then Israel (and eventually the US) started dismantling their intelligence and IRG hierarchy. But, the protests dissipated. This was because the Iranians in power set up countrywide check points that disallowed people to travel to hot spot protesting areas. I thought sure we'd see those checkpoints targetted to encourage an internal changing of the guard. I even thought there would be Israeli teams on the ground addressing them directly. But, that never seemed to happen.
Posted by: Orson at July 23, 2026 04:24 PM (dIske)
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There was a big story the other day on how Amazon is rigging prices.
When peeps at Amazon see a lower price for a product on a competing site, looking at you Walmart, Best Buy, Target, Newegg, etc., they then contact the supplier of said product and threaten to stop selling that product if they don't raise the price on the competitor or make the product an Amazon exclusive.
Only they've got a team on it using AI, to keep up with the tens of thousands of products on Amazon.
Somehow some emails got leaked and they've got all the 'pricing negotiations' in them.
And I'm old enough to remember when Walmart was in this same hot seat.
When peeps at Amazon see a lower price for a product on a competing site, looking at you Walmart, Best Buy, Target, Newegg, etc., they then contact the supplier of said product and threaten to stop selling that product if they don't raise the price on the competitor or make the product an Amazon exclusive.
Only they've got a team on it using AI, to keep up with the tens of thousands of products on Amazon.
Somehow some emails got leaked and they've got all the 'pricing negotiations' in them.
And I'm old enough to remember when Walmart was in this same hot seat.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 04:25 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 23, 2026 04:25 PM (7d1L5)
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Nude.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at July 23, 2026 04:26 PM (qF+Bw)
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Hmmm, TJM is very keen on blockades...hmmm...He went to see Nolan's Odyssey !!
Posted by: runner at July 23, 2026 04:26 PM (GD0B3)
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289 @282
>>But how could he possibly do that?
Don't start wars/kinetic actions you are not prepared to go all the way with.
The only bigger Trump stan than me is Jack Straw and even I'm getting tired of his conduct of the Iran Kinetic Action.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (XV/Pl)
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Eh.
He's killing Iran with the blockade. Literally, the country is dying. Malnutrition has definitely started for most of the population. Starvation has probably started for a good chunk. The GDP has collapsed. All that Iran has left is sending out PR notices about things that they definitely haven't done in the strait while randomly firing a handful of missiles a day into Gulf nations who aren't happy about it.
This war started 47 years ago. Trump is ending it by ending Iran as a nation that can do anything outside of its own borders since the leaders aren't interested in anything other than being a state sponsor of terrorism.
The 12th iman can rule Iran as long as they are poor and can't threaten anyone.
All while the Gulf moves to make the strait unimportant by building new pipelines, so even if Iran starts threatening the strait again, it doesn't matter.
289 @282
>>But how could he possibly do that?
Don't start wars/kinetic actions you are not prepared to go all the way with.
The only bigger Trump stan than me is Jack Straw and even I'm getting tired of his conduct of the Iran Kinetic Action.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (XV/Pl)
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Eh.
He's killing Iran with the blockade. Literally, the country is dying. Malnutrition has definitely started for most of the population. Starvation has probably started for a good chunk. The GDP has collapsed. All that Iran has left is sending out PR notices about things that they definitely haven't done in the strait while randomly firing a handful of missiles a day into Gulf nations who aren't happy about it.
This war started 47 years ago. Trump is ending it by ending Iran as a nation that can do anything outside of its own borders since the leaders aren't interested in anything other than being a state sponsor of terrorism.
The 12th iman can rule Iran as long as they are poor and can't threaten anyone.
All while the Gulf moves to make the strait unimportant by building new pipelines, so even if Iran starts threatening the strait again, it doesn't matter.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at July 23, 2026 04:26 PM (mnAVU)
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Imagine fuel prices if a demoncrat were in charge? We would have no fuel and a collapsed grid.
Posted by: Community Notes at July 23, 2026 04:22 PM (9Hs2w)
We should be 100% nuclear by now. 6 or 8 hundred plants all over the place. I'm pissed that when all of a sudden when the surveillance state needs huge data centers we can suddenly do it again.
Posted by: Community Notes at July 23, 2026 04:22 PM (9Hs2w)
We should be 100% nuclear by now. 6 or 8 hundred plants all over the place. I'm pissed that when all of a sudden when the surveillance state needs huge data centers we can suddenly do it again.
Posted by: Reforger at July 23, 2026 04:27 PM (gE8mJ)
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Saw this on X:
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Dozens of election workers who helped facilitate the 2020 presidential election in Pennsylvania have reportedly come forward claiming they were personally ordered by the then-Governor Tom Wolf and Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar to TRASH over 100,000 ballots cast for President Trump and count over 100,000 fraudulent Biden ballots allegedly cast in the names of dead voters and illegal aliens.
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Dozens of election workers who helped facilitate the 2020 presidential election in Pennsylvania have reportedly come forward claiming they were personally ordered by the then-Governor Tom Wolf and Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar to TRASH over 100,000 ballots cast for President Trump and count over 100,000 fraudulent Biden ballots allegedly cast in the names of dead voters and illegal aliens.
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Posted by: Axeman at July 23, 2026 04:27 PM (Fi81e)
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Oh we agree this is not America 1941, no doubt.
I'm just coming up with explanations.
Can we blame Boomers?
I'm just coming up with explanations.
Can we blame Boomers?
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 04:27 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: man at July 23, 2026 04:28 PM (XuXeR)
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I think you just proved my point.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (KC5Lt)
Above was in reply to ^^^^
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (KC5Lt)
Above was in reply to ^^^^
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 04:28 PM (6ydKt)
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Congress needs to pass a law that islam is not considered a religion in the USA.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 23, 2026 04:29 PM (n5tGW)
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What the hell could the UK do to stop them?
Talk about two monkeys trying to fuck a football.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
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Call NATO?
Okay, I'll stop. Good question though, and I lol'd at your answer.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (mmrXZ)
************
I can't remember the type of UK warships and, I think, 2 aircraft carriers...but the number total was around 5 of the former British Navy.
Several were rusted and in dry dock. Two ships, nuclear powered, were going for a parade or something and stalled and had to be hauled back for repair.
This is the Mighty Britannia long may she wave goodbye.
I read this months ago and it may not be accurate from memory...but basically they are not a lot of help on the seas at this point. Can't even defend barbarian invaders in rubber rafts arriving daily from Calais across the English Channel.
I guess Startled Starmer had no concern nor the cane thumping government about spending on the military.
Our military, thanks be to God and President Trump, are the best and most modern in the entire world. We have weapons unheard of, and I am fine without knowing what could be being developed.
What the hell could the UK do to stop them?
Talk about two monkeys trying to fuck a football.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
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Call NATO?
Okay, I'll stop. Good question though, and I lol'd at your answer.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 23, 2026 04:15 PM (mmrXZ)
************
I can't remember the type of UK warships and, I think, 2 aircraft carriers...but the number total was around 5 of the former British Navy.
Several were rusted and in dry dock. Two ships, nuclear powered, were going for a parade or something and stalled and had to be hauled back for repair.
This is the Mighty Britannia long may she wave goodbye.
I read this months ago and it may not be accurate from memory...but basically they are not a lot of help on the seas at this point. Can't even defend barbarian invaders in rubber rafts arriving daily from Calais across the English Channel.
I guess Startled Starmer had no concern nor the cane thumping government about spending on the military.
Our military, thanks be to God and President Trump, are the best and most modern in the entire world. We have weapons unheard of, and I am fine without knowing what could be being developed.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 23, 2026 04:29 PM (hzuYO)
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think you just proved my point.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (KC5Lt)
Above was in reply to ^^^^
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 04:28 PM (6ydK
👍 I'm just tired of the constant complaining of how hard it is these days about just about everything.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 04:23 PM (KC5Lt)
Above was in reply to ^^^^
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 23, 2026 04:28 PM (6ydK
👍 I'm just tired of the constant complaining of how hard it is these days about just about everything.
Posted by: polynikes at July 23, 2026 04:31 PM (KC5Lt)
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>>>Muslims have demonstrated for centuries that they are completely incompatible with civilization. We have maintained live demonstration reminders of this fact now for at least two generations.
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It's in the Book
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It's in the Book
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 04:33 PM (ogcfP)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 23, 2026 04:36 PM (ogcfP)
Posted by: no one of any consequence at July 23, 2026 04:38 PM (qFwJc)
Posted by: no one of any consequence at July 23, 2026 04:38 PM (qFwJc)
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With Israel, many things are possible.
National Interests Org
A US-Israel Reset Is About More Than Benjamin Netanyahu, July 22, 2026, By Lawrence J. Haas
National Interests Org
A US-Israel Reset Is About More Than Benjamin Netanyahu, July 22, 2026, By Lawrence J. Haas
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 23, 2026 04:39 PM (NFX2v)
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Here's a glimpse into the obvious:
Voting for the war powers resolution, as all DEMs & 4 Republicans did today, encourages the IRGC (aka Iran) to believe they can just wait this out.
The U.S. can not "bomb Iran every day for the next year" because a war weary Congress won't allow that.
What really caused the sudden collapse of the South Vietnamese govt was the DEM landslide in 1974, and the immediate end of aid to South Viet Nam pursuant to the seating of the new Congress.
Voting for the war powers resolution, as all DEMs & 4 Republicans did today, encourages the IRGC (aka Iran) to believe they can just wait this out.
The U.S. can not "bomb Iran every day for the next year" because a war weary Congress won't allow that.
What really caused the sudden collapse of the South Vietnamese govt was the DEM landslide in 1974, and the immediate end of aid to South Viet Nam pursuant to the seating of the new Congress.
Posted by: mnw at July 23, 2026 04:41 PM (RCjYY)
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Will the GOP lose the House or Senate in the mid-terms?
I don't know. But the silent majority hasn't voted yet and these SDS Commies do not sit well with a lot of folks.
Suppose the Dems win. Trump will continue the blockade.
I don't know. But the silent majority hasn't voted yet and these SDS Commies do not sit well with a lot of folks.
Suppose the Dems win. Trump will continue the blockade.
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