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Let's go forward, not backward or sideways, in medicine!

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Raccoon Dog, once suspected as the source of Covid-19

The Japanese raccoon dog was once thought to be capable of shape-shifting, even to human form. Suspicious!

Covid-19 really destroyed trust in the medical field

I remember seeing clips of meetings, before Covid-19 was invented, suggesting that some emergency would be necessary in order to kick-start progress into new ways of, say, making vaccines. One concern was that people would want to wait for safety data.

Having once been part of medium-sized pharma (as opposed to "Big Pharma", I am familiar with some of the political changes that contributed to our current vaccine situation. One problem was our legal system, which allowed for big punitive damages to be awarded to people injured by vaccines in the USA. Vaccine manufacturers were leaving the business. Congress panicked and passed legislation which limited liability for manufacturers and set up a fund to reimburse people who were injured by vaccines. This system didn't work very well. Other parts of the law discouraged development of non-vaccine treatments where vaccines were considered the only viable treatments.

Our company held big meetings concerning this legislation, even though we did not make vaccines. It was a big deal.

Meanwhile, we had a healthy respect for the FDA, and surprise visits were occasions of anxiety. FDA agents sometimes wore sidearms. People had to sign in and out of meeting rooms. Not that there had never been ethical concerns. There had been a "generic drug scandal" in which favors consisted of changing the order in which inspections of facilities were done and so forth, to give an edge to certain companies.

But no one expected to be allowed 75 years to turn in raw data from clinical trials, as in the first Covid-19 trials.

On June 21, CBD wrote a short, lucid commentary on the pending approval of an mRNA vaccine for influenza: Another mRNA Vaccine? Really?

They created a disease, they lied about its origins, they used it to destroy our civil liberties and manipulate the country to be more compliant, and perhaps worst of all, they sabotaged possible treatments to favor their dangerous and expensive vaccine and treatments.

So why should the American people think that all of those failings have magically disappeared, and the new and improved FDA/Pharma/Deep State is any more invested in the health and well being of America?

The same mRNA technology that is implicated in some serious side effects? The same mRNA technology that was used to create the COVID vaccine that was famously awful? And all for a disease that has shifting antigens that are very difficult to identify quickly enough to create an effective vaccine? The flu vaccine works adequately, but it is by no means impressive, and the mRNA vaccine won't change that, so why risk the documented side effects of an mRNA vaccine when the traditional vaccine is safe?

Oh. Look! Money!

More at the link.

What will we do as Artificial Intelligence starts to make its presence known in medicine? Will people get over-excited and head off in wild directions? We can be more rational if we try, I think.

On the other hand, medical progress is being made. I, for one, am grateful for much of it. Perhaps some physicians and other health care professionals could learn more about nutrition, etc. And some respect for the observations of people on the front lines is sometimes more valuable than waiting for results of a double-blind trial of a single drug agent.

But recently, a friend's teenage son received a kidney transplant and a relative's baby was born with cystic fibrosis. I have learned a lot about medical advances both in drugs and in team treatment of conditions like this. Did you know that salt was important for newborns with cystic fibrosis? Bet no double-blind study was involved in that clinical change.

Anyway, it's easy to lose trust in EVERYONE involve in the system. But maybe we don't have to go this far:

Via Powerline, October 2022:

Medical students at the University of Minnesota must now take an oath to "honor all Indigenous ways of healing that have been historically marginalized by Western medicine" and fight "white supremacy, colonialism, [and] the gender binary."

And we don't have to reject all advances. Interesting thread in response to this statement. You have probably seen other statements like it.

One topic mentioned in the thread is cystic fibrosis, where advances mean that my newborn relative can now look forward to a long life - not possible in the fairly recent past:

I find it curious that the modern medical community has cured exactly zero diseases in the last several decades.

Is there a medical advance that you particularly appreciate?


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The Founding Father who was a physician

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Benjamin Rush By Charles Willson Peale, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons

Benjamin Rush: A Founding Father Devoted to Education, Public Health, and Civic Virtue

A Versatile and Influential Founder

Benjamin Rush is sometimes called “the forgotten Founder,” but his influence on early America was anything but small. Born in 1746 in Pennsylvania, Rush became a leading physician, a civic reformer, and one of the most intellectually energetic voices of the young republic. He signed the Declaration of Independence at just thirty years old, advised presidents, and helped shape the nation’s emerging institutions in medicine, public education, and moral reform.

Rush worked during a moment when the United States was trying to define not only its governing structures but also the habits and character needed for a self-governing people. His life’s work reflected a single belief: a republic depends on educated, healthy, and virtuous citizens.

As one of America’s most prominent doctors, Rush helped establish medical training in the United States and served as Surgeon General for the Continental Army. His medical practices reflected the theories of his era—some of which are now obsolete—but his commitment to scientific inquiry and public health was pioneering.

During the Revolutionary War, Rush treated soldiers, wrote medical guides, and pushed for improved sanitation in military camps. He also advocated for the humane treatment of people with mental illness, arguing that compassion—not confinement—should shape care. His 1812 writings on mental health are considered foundational in the history of American psychiatry.

Rush applied the same reforming energy to civic life. He opposed slavery, supported women’s education, fought for expanded access to schooling, and urged the young nation to cultivate civic virtue among its citizens.

More at the link.

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Weekend

The Week in Pictures: Party Like It’s October, 1917 Edition

So my site access has been restored but my WiFi access continues to be spotty as my ocean-going continues, but it did prompt the first graphic in this week’s gallery by the producers of the Ricochet podcast, where I ended up being a mostly silent spectator this week between 10-second bursts of connection, which was about all I needed for my very few five-second bursts of lucidity.

Meanwhile, I still haven’t been able to restore my old hijacked Twitter account, so I have launched a new one: @RealStevenHayward. Follow if you’re into the whole social media thing. I think I’ll be more like that RealOtherGuy and do more polemic entries than my old account, which I used mostly to tell jokes.

Speaking of jokes, I’m so old I can recall the 1970s when we embraced the proposition: “That government is best which McGoverns least.” What the hell do we say now about the DSA takeover of the Democratic Party? These guys make McGovern look like a Truman Democrat. (Recall that McGovern had supported Henry Wallace in 1948.)


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Music

Stars and Stripes Forever

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs


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Last week's thread, June 20, Father's Day Weekend, 2026

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:19 AM




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1 Not first?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 27, 2026 11:24 AM (Kt19C)

2 Good morning KT

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2026 11:27 AM (Ia/+0)

3 Medical students at the University of Minnesota must now take an oath to "honor all Indigenous ways of healing that have been historically marginalized by Western medicine" and fight "white supremacy, colonialism, [and] the gender binary."

Nah, I'm good with throwing children into the fire of Ba'al when the king is sick.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 27, 2026 11:28 AM (Riz8t)

4 Covid-19 really destroyed trust in the medical field

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Now do the judiciary.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 27, 2026 11:29 AM (ndZc7)

5 Yes; Benjamin Rush was a very interesting founding father. Thanks for including info about him and all you bring to this site, KT.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 27, 2026 11:32 AM (Yl2Ob)

6 "I find it curious that the modern medical community has cured exactly zero diseases in the last several decades."
Ok, so Hepatitis C gets cured and now so over $1 B is needed in Africa to cure some problem
Not seeing that expenditure worth it.

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2026 11:33 AM (Ia/+0)

7 Always thinking.

Newsom Begs Californians to Vote “No” on Wealth Tax in Face of Mass Exodus, Pitches National Billionaires’ Tax

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 27, 2026 11:34 AM (ndZc7)

8 Modern medicine requires a sick public if it's to thrive. The industry want's to thrive. If you cure everything the industry becomes less relevant.

Self preservation isn't just for individuals. Sad, but true.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 27, 2026 11:39 AM (jehhT)

9 Gamers Blast Grand Theft Auto VI’s Physical Edition for Having No Physical Disc

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Apparently you buy a box that looks like it contains a disc but it has only a code allowing you to download.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 27, 2026 11:40 AM (ndZc7)

10 Always thinking.

Newsom Begs Californians to Vote “No” on Wealth Tax in Face of Mass Exodus, Pitches National Billionaires’ Tax


We keep thinking the Dem Party is going to split, but it sounds as if some of the old-timers are being dragged along by the Socialist undertow. It will not end well for them.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 27, 2026 11:40 AM (Riz8t)

11 Gamers Blast Grand Theft Auto VI’s Physical Edition for Having No Physical Disc

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Apparently you buy a box that looks like it contains a disc but it has only a code allowing you to download.


That's like your mom sending you to school with a lunchbox containing a gift card to McDonald's.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 27, 2026 11:41 AM (Riz8t)

12 I remember seeing clips of meetings, before Covid-19 was invented, suggesting that some emergency would be necessary in order to kick-start progress into new ways of, say, making vaccines. One concern was that people would want to wait for safety data.

There was a whole exercise that mapped out Covid19 almost to a tee shortly before COVIDmania started called Event 201.

They simulated a new corona virus outbreak and ran through what would happen. The vaccine was maybe not as effect as they would like and maybe had negative side effects. "Right wing influencers" then convinced people not to take it because of exaggerations and lies. The whole thing became a muddle.

And...like I said they ran COVID19 as if the outcome of the exercise was exactly what they wanted.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 11:43 AM (sKqQm)

13 >>>Covid-19 really destroyed trust in the medical field

It wasn't Covid-19 that destroyed the trust. It was some governments' response to Covid-19. Squandered our trust.

Posted by: m at June 27, 2026 11:43 AM (6wpGE)

14 Start with Billionaires ( don't forget the Soros clan while your at it) eventually move down to the Kulaks

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2026 11:43 AM (Ia/+0)

15 ...like CBD says: FDA/Pharma/Deep State

Posted by: m at June 27, 2026 11:44 AM (6wpGE)

16 Thanks KT!!
You are THE BEST!!

Posted by: Admirale's Mate at June 27, 2026 11:44 AM (/enuJ)

17 It wasn't Covid-19 that destroyed the trust. It was some governments' response to Covid-19. Squandered our trust.
Posted by: m

I'd throw in most of the medical field, too. The hospital protocols for the treatment of Covid-19 were murder. Everyone who died from Covid died in a hospital.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 27, 2026 11:46 AM (l26NL)

18 Medical students at the University of Minnesota must now take an oath to "honor all Indigenous ways of healing that have been historically marginalized by Western medicine" and fight "white supremacy, colonialism, [and] the gender binary."

Nah, I'm good with throwing children into the fire of Ba'al when the king is sick.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 27, 2026 11:28 AM (Riz8t)

***

You ought to see our volcano.
PS: Send virgins...we're ru ning low.

Posted by: Hawaiian Docs at June 27, 2026 11:46 AM (2WIwB)

19 7 Newsom Begs Californian
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 27, 2026 11:34 AM (ndZc7)

noisome
adjective
having an extremely offensive smell:
noisome vapors from the smoldering waste.
• disagreeable; unpleasant: noisome scandals.

Gavin Newsom is noisome.

Posted by: m at June 27, 2026 11:47 AM (6wpGE)

20 Covid-19 really destroyed trust in the medical field
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With a heaping side-dish of Obamacare.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 27, 2026 11:47 AM (XeU6L)

21 Testing new treatments costs a lot of money, which must somehow be recovered. Suppose they find a drug that improves heart function in clinical trials. Now they can promote the drug to cardiologists and make some money to cover the expenses and research the next thing.

Suppose also that this drug provides approximately the same benefits as taking a half-hour walk every day. As a bonus, walking doesn't compromise liver and kidney function like the drug does, and walking also has several positive effects.

The problem is that there is no incentive to compare the drug performance to daily walking. Walking will not recover the research and testing costs.

Therefore, I suspect that drugs are often promoted over non-drug treatments and there are fewer discoveries of beneficial lifestyle changes for diseases.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 11:49 AM (3XsWb)

22 Now consider what we have VAERS. There was a swine flu outbreak in the 70s that saw a rushed vaccine to treat it that had serious side effects including...death.

Because it was hard to isolate the cause of the health issues caused by the vaccine from individual doctor officers the government created VAERS to track vaccine reactions all over the country. And...VAERS was considered a useful resource for years

And then the rushed COVID vaccine came out and the reports started coming in just as the system was designed to capture. And the numbers were absurd. There were something like 10000X times as many COVID vaccine negative reactions in 6 months then all the vaccine adverse reactions the system had tracked in 30 years.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 11:49 AM (sKqQm)

23 noisome

pronounced like moisten

Posted by: m at June 27, 2026 11:49 AM (6wpGE)

24 The problem is that there is no incentive to compare the drug performance to daily walking. Walking will not recover the research and testing costs.

I read an anecdote that all the longevity drugs that have come out in the last few years pale in comparison to getting exercise, staying thin, and building some muscle mass.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 11:51 AM (sKqQm)

25 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 11:53 AM (2YhKe)

26 Medical students at the University of Minnesota must now take an oath to "honor all Indigenous ways of healing that have been historically marginalized by Western medicine" and fight "white supremacy, colonialism, [and] the gender binary."


So, bleeding will make a comeback? I have an idea - allow me to release the students' bad humors. That should get their attentions.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 27, 2026 11:53 AM (+/hEQ)

27 22 There was a swine flu outbreak in the 70s that saw a rushed vaccine to treat it that had serious side effects including...death.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 11:49 AM (sKqQm)

I lived through this, and I was not required to get the shot and I thought long and hard and I did not get the shot. And then people started dying from the shot.
When Covid came around, I said no so fast (albeit quietly) and I suffered many, many bad consequences from employers and friends. But not health-related!

Posted by: m at June 27, 2026 11:53 AM (6wpGE)

28 The prayer list makes me sad.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 11:53 AM (2YhKe)

29 Another problem with all this is the government distorts the market.

If people pay for their own healthcare, healthcare companies will design their services to meet the patients needs because if they don't the patients will go elsewhere.

If the government is paying though their incentives become doing what the government wants - paperwork and keeping costs down.

For those over a certain age I'm sure you've noticed healthcare has changed from your doctor trying to improve your health to a medical office trying to figure out billing and filing massive amounts of paperwork right?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 11:53 AM (sKqQm)

30 F*ck cancer.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 11:54 AM (2YhKe)

31 I recall that the 2024-2025 flu shot had a negative efficacy. Shot recipients were 27% more likely to contract flu.

I wonder how the 2025-2026 flu shot performed?

As far as I know, the flu shot is at best worthless. And there have been studies that suggest that a flu shot recipient is more likely to suffer a range of respiratory illnesses than a non-recipient, I guess due to distracting/overloading the immune system.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 11:54 AM (pAWWf)

32 Covid-19 really destroyed trust in the medical field


Truth.

I no longer trust it at all. And the First Lady went through cancer treatments. She's told she's 'cured.'

I still do not trust them.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 11:54 AM (2YhKe)

33 As far as I know, the flu shot is at best worthless. And there have been studies that suggest that a flu shot recipient is more likely to suffer a range of respiratory illnesses than a non-recipient, I guess due to distracting/overloading the immune system.
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 11:54 AM (pAWWf)



Never received one.

Never will.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 11:55 AM (2YhKe)

34 The Japanese had some weird stories about the Tanuki (Racoon Dog), including an ability to take its scrotum and stretch out a tent with it...

https://tinyurl.com/yvz4nhbw

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 11:55 AM (l3cgK)

35 31 And that 27% -- I wonder if the difference would be even greater if they compared those receiving the current shot to those who had never had a flu shot.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 11:56 AM (pAWWf)

36 pronounced like moisten
Posted by: m

Have you ever noticed that many, many folks have a strong reaction to the word 'moist'?

It's interesting.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 27, 2026 11:56 AM (+/hEQ)

37 I lived through this, and I was not required to get the shot and I thought long and hard and I did not get the shot. And then people started dying from the shot.
When Covid came around, I said no so fast (albeit quietly) and I suffered many, many bad consequences from employers and friends. But not health-related!


And a critical part of this. Originally the government claimed the clot shot stopped the spread of COVID. Biden said so on national TV when he mandated it.

Shortly thereafter though the overwhelming amounts of data showed it did no such thing. And overnight the claim the clot shot stopped COVID became misinformation it just reduced the severity.

Well, assume for a moment the government was acting honestly they honestly really learned their previous statements were incorrect. This should have immediately led to the end of the mandates. If the shot doesn't stop the spread there is NO reason or legal basis to mandate it whatsoever. And yet the mandates persisted

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 11:57 AM (sKqQm)

38 34 The Japanese had some weird stories about the Tanuki (Racoon Dog), including an ability to take its scrotum and stretch out a tent with it...

https://tinyurl.com/yvz4nhbw


Pffffft. Big deal. I can cover a Costco with mine.

Posted by: Inflatable scrotum man at June 27, 2026 11:57 AM (Riz8t)

39 36 pronounced like moisten
Posted by: m

Have you ever noticed that many, many folks have a strong reaction to the word 'moist'?

It's interesting.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 27, 2026 11:56 AM (+/hEQ)

Context matters, e.g. a moist cake...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 11:57 AM (l3cgK)

40 38 34 The Japanese had some weird stories about the Tanuki (Racoon Dog), including an ability to take its scrotum and stretch out a tent with it...

https://tinyurl.com/yvz4nhbw

Pffffft. Big deal. I can cover a Costco with mine.

Posted by: Inflatable scrotum man at June 27, 2026 11:57 AM (Riz8t)

Furry inflation has nothing to do with Biden's economic policies...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 11:58 AM (l3cgK)

41 As far as I know, the flu shot is at best worthless.

The problem is the flu mutates quickly. So they identify a few variants and make a vaccine for them but by the time you encounter the virus in the wild it has changed significantly from the one you were vaccinated against.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 11:58 AM (sKqQm)

42 36 pronounced like moisten
Posted by: m

Have you ever noticed that many, many folks have a strong reaction to the word 'moist'?

It's interesting.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 27, 2026 11:56 AM (+/hEQ)

Yes, it's a funny thing!

Posted by: m at June 27, 2026 11:59 AM (6wpGE)

43 The problem is that there is no incentive to compare the drug performance to daily walking. Walking will not recover the research and testing costs.

Therefore, I suspect that drugs are often promoted over non-drug treatments and there are fewer discoveries of beneficial lifestyle changes for diseases.
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 11:49 AM (3XsWb)


FDA used to have a rule that if a new med did not preform better than a current med then the new med was not given approval. That rule went away about the same time the pharma companies started paying for their own testsing.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 27, 2026 11:59 AM (rbvCR)

44 "Is there a medical advance that you particularly appreciate"

Well, over the last decade I had a heart valve repair, and cataract lens replacements, both of which have improved my life, both of which were unknown just a few decades ago.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at June 27, 2026 11:59 AM (j7INY)

45 Medical students at the University of Minnesota must now take an oath to "honor all Indigenous ways of healing that have been historically marginalized by Western medicine" and fight "white supremacy, colonialism, [and] the gender binary."



F*ck right off with that noise.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 11:59 AM (2YhKe)

46 44 "Is there a medical advance that you particularly appreciate"

Well, over the last decade I had a heart valve repair, and cataract lens replacements, both of which have improved my life, both of which were unknown just a few decades ago.
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at June 27, 2026 11:59 AM (j7INY)

Very cool.

Posted by: m at June 27, 2026 12:00 PM (6wpGE)

47 BTW, Veteran's Day is also Giant Furry Inflation day...take that for what it's worth...

https://tinyurl.com/2fnsv92s

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 12:00 PM (l3cgK)

48 @m: Go look back at the tech thread, last comment. I answered your question about the egg joke.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 27, 2026 12:00 PM (O7YUW)

49 That rule went away about the same time the pharma companies started paying for their own testsing.

Several of the moderna/pfizer testers came forward to claim the results of their testing had been faked.

The FNM dismissed them as lying cranks obviously the clot shot 100% stopped the spread just as the data showed!

And then it came out the claim the clot shot stopped the spread was completely wrong...but the FNM kept claiming those whistleblowers were lying...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 12:00 PM (sKqQm)

50 I still do not trust them.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer

Along with Covid, the many, many X posts I see of medical professionals wishing death on me are another.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 27, 2026 12:01 PM (l26NL)

51 Never received one.

Never will.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 11:55 AM (2YhKe)


I considered it when shots were being offered at my workplace, but I had observed that whenever any of my colleagues came down with flu, they all said the same thing: "But I got my flu shot!"

Meanwhile, I've had the flu once, in 1999. I suspect I have more effective resistance than anyone who has gotten shots.

So I decided against flu shots and I've been healthier than my vaccinated buddies.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:01 PM (pAWWf)

52 BTW, Veteran's Day is also Giant Furry Inflation day...take that for what it's worth...

https://tinyurl.com/2fnsv92s
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 12:00 PM (l3cgK)



Further celebrations dedicated to the broken in society. Wonderful....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:01 PM (2YhKe)

53 McGovern was a fool, but an honest fool. (Unlike the current crop). I recall late in life, after running an inn or something, he said he finally understood why people complained about government being far too restrictive and controlling. He had never considered it before he actually tried running his own business.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 27, 2026 12:01 PM (O+ktY)

54 As far as I know, the flu shot is at best worthless. And there have been studies that suggest that a flu shot recipient is more likely to suffer a range of respiratory illnesses than a non-recipient, I guess due to distracting/overloading the immune system.
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 11:54 AM (pAWWf)


This sort of mal-information is what causes Pharma stocks to lose value.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 27, 2026 12:02 PM (rbvCR)

55 Meanwhile, I've had the flu once, in 1999. I suspect I have more effective resistance than anyone who has gotten shots.

So I decided against flu shots and I've been healthier than my vaccinated buddies.
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:01 PM (pAWWf)



I've been pretty sick a few times. Don't know if it was the flu or not, but usually it was a 24 to 36 hour thing that had me relatively miserable during that time. I recover. I go on with life.

Although, I do believe I had covid before covid was cool. Took 2 months for the cough to go away.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:03 PM (2YhKe)

56 >>The problem is that there is no incentive to compare the drug performance to daily walking. Walking will not recover the research and testing costs.

I read an anecdote that all the longevity drugs that have come out in the last few years pale in comparison to getting exercise, staying thin, and building some muscle mass.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 11:51 AM

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The question then becomes, why are the doctors we interact with being incentivized to push drugs on us rather than lifestyle changes?

Posted by: Bigsmith at June 27, 2026 12:03 PM (1Au9i)

57 I would say, based on what I saw, the COVID vax did have some degree of reducing COVID symptoms. My FIL was repeated exposed to it, yet the worst he got was equivalent to a runny nose, while the rest of us felt like we got deathly sick. My wife, despite cancer treatments and me, despite my immunosuppressed body didn't die. Both kids caught it, but younger one seemed to get more sick (he wasn't vaxxed; older one made a decision as an adult to vax). Now, does that merit the damage caused by all the side effects? Probably not.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 12:03 PM (l3cgK)

58 So, bleeding will make a comeback? I have an idea - allow me to release the students' bad humors. That should get their attentions.
Posted by: Tonypete
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Invest in fleam futures?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 27, 2026 12:04 PM (XeU6L)

59 The problem is the flu mutates quickly. So they identify a few variants and make a vaccine for them but by the time you encounter the virus in the wild it has changed significantly from the one you were vaccinated against.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 11:58 AM (sKqQm)


Yes, that's the standard explanation, but it doesn't explain negative efficacy. Why would a person be more likely to get flu if they've had the shot?

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:04 PM (pAWWf)

60 Pooky's VA psych med manager is a huge advocate of things that don't involve medication, which is surprising. He also likes to take it slow, which is a huge relief because a lot of Pooky's problems stem from military doctors who didn't know what the word "titration" meant.

Posted by: pookysgirl, enjoying a lazy Saturday for once at June 27, 2026 12:05 PM (Wt5PA)

61 Moisture laden lieder hosen

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 27, 2026 12:05 PM (eX+bj)

62 Have you ever noticed that many, many folks have a strong reaction to the word 'moist'?

It's interesting.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 27, 2026 11:56 AM (+/hEQ)
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*sadz*

Posted by: Moist von Lipwig at June 27, 2026 12:05 PM (amcLV)

63 Meanwhile, I've had the flu once, in 1999. I suspect I have more effective resistance than anyone who has gotten shots.

So I decided against flu shots and I've been healthier than my vaccinated buddies.
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:01 PM (pAWWf)


I realized that every year, just about, the call went out for everyone to get that flu shot to be safe, and then every year, just about, we were told that darnit they just got the wrong strain for the flu which is why everyone seemed to catch it, and then they celebrated each year that more people got the shot than ever.

I realized that increasing the number of shots in the arm was more important than preventing the flu, and they could be shooting up everyone with transmission fluid and still claim a success

Posted by: Kindltot at June 27, 2026 12:06 PM (rbvCR)

64 58 So, bleeding will make a comeback? I have an idea - allow me to release the students' bad humors. That should get their attentions.
Posted by: Tonypete
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Invest in fleam futures?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 27, 2026 12:04 PM (XeU6L)

Anal insufflation for drowning victims. Yes Please!

Posted by: Don Lemon at June 27, 2026 12:07 PM (l3cgK)

65 The question then becomes, why are the doctors we interact with being incentivized to push drugs on us rather than lifestyle changes?
Posted by: Bigsmith at June 27, 2026 12:03 PM (1Au9i)


I think doctors have a blind spot. They keep up with the research, but the research presented to them is all about !look at these cool new drugs! It's significantly more work to look outside their professional publications.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:07 PM (pAWWf)

66 Meanwhile, I've had the flu once, in 1999. I suspect I have more effective resistance than anyone who has gotten shots.

So I decided against flu shots and I've been healthier than my vaccinated buddies.
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:01 PM (pAWWf)

For a time I would keep notes on it with my sister in law, who was a huge believer in flu shots. (She has since psssed away, which is a long story. She trusted doctors who failed her, but that’s a long story)

Anyway, for 6 years she got flu shots every year, I got none. She got the flu 3 times, I got it 3 times. She said those were the years they picked the wrong strain. I said that it tells me that it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference whether you get the shot or not.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 27, 2026 12:08 PM (O+ktY)

67 I would say, based on what I saw, the COVID vax did have some degree of reducing COVID symptoms. My FIL was repeated exposed to it, yet the worst he got was equivalent to a runny nose, while the rest of us felt like we got deathly sick. My wife, despite cancer treatments and me, despite my immunosuppressed body didn't die. Both kids caught it, but younger one seemed to get more sick (he wasn't vaxxed; older one made a decision as an adult to vax). Now, does that merit the damage caused by all the side effects? Probably not.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 12:03 PM (l3cgK)


One group that didn't seem to get serious COVID was smokers. Nicotine seems to block the inflammatory cascade.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 27, 2026 12:08 PM (rbvCR)

68 One group that didn't seem to get serious COVID was smokers. Nicotine seems to block the inflammatory cascade.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 27, 2026 12:08 PM (rbvCR)
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Or they built up an immunity to having crud in their lungs.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 27, 2026 12:10 PM (amcLV)

69 On that RaccoonDog, not surprised Japanese believe in weird paranormal

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2026 12:10 PM (Ia/+0)

70 Medical students at the University of Minnesota must now take an oath to "honor all Indigenous ways of healing that have been historically marginalized by Western medicine" and fight "white supremacy, colonialism, [and] the gender binary."

I just assume these assholes are commie agents of death.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 27, 2026 12:11 PM (H/+a9)

71 Or they built up an immunity to having crud in their lungs.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 27, 2026 12:10 PM (amcLV)


When my allergies got really bad, from mold and house dust especially when cleaning mildewy dusty houses. I had to take smoke breaks because a Camel would knock down the tightness in my lungs from the allergic response. Which is inflammation in other words.
Nicotine does knock down inflammatory response

Posted by: Kindltot at June 27, 2026 12:13 PM (rbvCR)

72
Raccoon Dog, once suspected as the source of Covid-19

Look, a-holes.

About all you can say about us is that we have huge balls, like to get drunk, and will fuck up your garden or farm land.

That's it. Now, sayonara!

Posted by: The Tanukis Reply at June 27, 2026 12:13 PM (iJfKG)

73 Both parents in their 80s received "vaccine" in NJ. A little over a year later, Dad died of multiple myeloma turbo cancer after a laryngectomy failed to stop the spread of another type, and Mom died of heart valve issues and dementia.

I told them not to do it, but all their friends were doing it.

Posted by: Ambiguously Gay Richard Simmons at June 27, 2026 12:13 PM (P1gLH)

74 Pooky's VA psych med manager is a huge advocate of things that don't involve medication, which is surprising. He also likes to take it slow, which is a huge relief because a lot of Pooky's problems stem from military doctors who didn't know what the word "titration" meant.
Posted by: pookysgirl, enjoying a lazy Saturday for once at June 27, 2026 12:05 PM (Wt5PA)



A friend's VA doctor had him on something like 18 different medications for various things. He changed to a new doctor, not sure if it's VA, but he removed several of those meds. They're now messing with his psych meds and it has him relatively screwed up.

I hate medications for mental issues. Even he's found that therapy works, having spent time with the horses and other non profit orgs helping our military vets.

But, they keep insisting on drugs. So, there he is.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:13 PM (2YhKe)

75 The story of the flu shot is ridiculous. Flu is a serious risk for senior citizens, so they started recommending flu shots to older adults. But they found that this approach did not lower the incidence of flu in the older population. In other words, the shots didn't work. Their solution was to have caregivers take the shots, and then family members, and then the general population, with the hope that all these people would then not expose older people to flu. Somehow a non-effective shot would become effective if everybody took it.

Silly and irrational.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:14 PM (pAWWf)

76 Covid-19 really destroyed trust in the medical field

It wasn't Covid-19 that destroyed the trust. It was some governments' response to Covid-19. Squandered our trust.
Posted by: m

Disagree.
I had not been an RN very long when the wuflu was released, during my schooling, Evidence Based Practice was stressed constantly. I saw no EBP used by the Nursing PTB. In fact it was the opposite.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2026 12:16 PM (B0dAE)

77
*chants and shakes feathers at broken leg with a compound fracture*


It's not working!!!! Ow! Ouch!!!

*cries*

Why won't Mother Gaia or JubJub the Mosquito God heal me? Whyyyyy?!?!?!

Posted by: naturalfake at June 27, 2026 12:16 PM (iJfKG)

78
Disagree.
I had not been an RN very long when the wuflu was released, during my schooling, Evidence Based Practice was stressed constantly. I saw no EBP used by the Nursing PTB. In fact it was the opposite.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2026 12:16 PM (B0dAE)



But you guys did make some pretty sweet dancing on TikTok videos.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:17 PM (2YhKe)

79 The question then becomes, why are the doctors we interact with being incentivized to push drugs on us rather than lifestyle changes?
Posted by: Bigsmith at June 27, 2026 12:03 PM (1Au9i)


I believe that it's a three-fold issue.

First, they don't believe that people will change their lifestyle if they can just take a pill and get - roughly - the same benefit (according to the tests which get run).

Second, doctors no longer have their own practices. They're part of doctor corporations which promulgate "standards of care" that they're required to follow.

Third, doctors are hammers, drugs are nails, lifestyle change is a screw.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2026 12:17 PM (ExV1e)

80 77
*chants and shakes feathers at broken leg with a compound fracture*

It's not working!!!! Ow! Ouch!!!

*cries*

Why won't Mother Gaia or JubJub the Mosquito God heal me? Whyyyyy?!?!?!

Posted by: naturalfake at June 27, 2026 12:16 PM (iJfKG)

Equine medicine...
https://tinyurl.com/4z2uvj2z

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 12:18 PM (l3cgK)

81 And now I can't find my passport.

FFS.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:18 PM (2YhKe)

82 Among my family and friends, only the Covid-vaccinated got Covid more than once, and only the vaccinated got long Covid.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:19 PM (pAWWf)

83
Equine medicine...
https://tinyurl.com/4z2uvj2z
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 12:18 PM (l3cgK)



I'm very disappointed in the decision for treatment of Swayback Horses is to shoot.

We wouldn't have the hilarity of The 3 Stooges if they shot all the Swaybacks.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:19 PM (2YhKe)

84 Kindltot

I saw your comment in the last thread about no rap songs in the top 40 for the first time in decades. Mike Benz has been saying for a long time that the CIA uses the music industry to help shape narratives and behavior.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2026 12:20 PM (viF8m)

85 I believe 2 enormous studies (meaning the data used was enormous, adding to statistical significance) were done in the UK and Netherlands of flu shot efficacy. From memory, but I think both morbidity (getting the bug) and mortality (buying the farm) were examined. There wasn't strong evidence that the shot changed outcomes.

The dataset was massive because of the near-universal use of flu shots for the older demo over several decades.

Anyway. One would think such studies would have an impact on policy and behavior. But perhaps I'm forgetting some aspect that showed some possible benefit.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 27, 2026 12:20 PM (U/Byj)

86

But you guys did make some pretty sweet dancing on TikTok videos.

Posted by: Sponge
It wasn't me HONEST!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2026 12:20 PM (B0dAE)

87 83
Equine medicine...
https://tinyurl.com/4z2uvj2z
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 12:18 PM (l3cgK)


I'm very disappointed in the decision for treatment of Swayback Horses is to shoot.

We wouldn't have the hilarity of The 3 Stooges if they shot all the Swaybacks.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:19 PM (2YhKe)

https://tinyurl.com/42nx2em3

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 12:21 PM (l3cgK)

88 Among my family and friends, only the Covid-vaccinated got Covid more than once, and only the vaccinated got long Covid.
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:19 PM (pAWWf)



"You MUST get vaccinated to stop the spread!"

"You MUST get vaccinated to lessen the symptoms and not kill grandma!"

"You MUST get vaccinated to shorten the illness time!"

"You MUST get vaccinated because we said so!"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:21 PM (2YhKe)

89 But, they keep insisting on drugs. So, there he is.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:13 PM (2YhKe)

I'm sorry. I knew we'd found a gem in Pooky's psych med manager, but this makes me value him even more. He had a VA psych case worker that was good too, and he "graduated" from needing her with the knowledge that he can ask for one anytime he feels the need again.

Posted by: pookysgirl, enjoying a lazy Saturday for once at June 27, 2026 12:22 PM (Wt5PA)

90 I also noticed that RSV became more prevalent after the Covid shots came out. Before that, I hadn't known anyone who got RSV.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:22 PM (pAWWf)

91 Covid did more than affect the practice of medicine. It literally changed everyday life. Workers no longer going to downtown offices, commuting, buying lunch in city restaurants, buying professional clothing to wear. This has not returned. People started ordering in, groceries, meals, streaming entertainment. No more impulse buys at the store, no more fast food drive ups, no more Mall shopping. No taking a date to the movies or children's matinees.
The economic fallout is just beginning with empty office buildings, movie theatres and mall stores. Everywhere I look there are For Lease signs.
Covid changed everything.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 27, 2026 12:23 PM (kJmSS)

92 I had to go to LA for business during COVID. It was the fasted trip I've ever made and the only trip where I didn't hit stop-and-go traffic on the freeway.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 12:25 PM (l3cgK)

93 Covid changed everything.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 27, 2026 12:23 PM (kJmSS)



By design.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:25 PM (2YhKe)

94 Anyway. One would think such studies would have an impact on policy and behavior. But perhaps I'm forgetting some aspect that showed some possible benefit.

The CDC keeps publishing numbers most years showing the flu shot significantly reduces your risk of getting the flu and reduces the symptoms but the most objective studies are the ones you are noting which show no significant improvement in mortality.

The efficiency numbers then either indicate a really weird behavior where it only stops people that won't die from the flu from getting it or way more likely its bad methodology.

I will note personally more people get the flu in my circle of friends since the mass introduction of the flu vax, and the severity is worse but that is just an anecdote and perhaps more notably the increase in international travel over that same time period should be examined as the most significant issue in regards to the spread of the flu

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 12:26 PM (sKqQm)

95 I highly recommend that everyone watch the movie: Citizen Vigilante that Musk posted on X. An excellent movie and a possible look into the future.
The above way or another. . . . .there needs to be a reckoning.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 27, 2026 12:26 PM (7aGEe)

96 Still waiting for a tell all book how the Covid plot was cooked up to destroy the country. Shut it all down, kill of hundred thousand, set up a puppet to run the country

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2026 12:27 PM (Ia/+0)

97 Two people were particularly ugly about us not getting Covid shots. One is dead (blood clot) and the other is now under the care of a cardiologist.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 27, 2026 12:27 PM (pAWWf)

98 7> Demon Cantillionaire† advocates national billionaire tax

Some people are unknowingly eager to do President Bukele's work for him.

† https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/the-cantillion-effect

Posted by: Community Notes at June 27, 2026 12:27 PM (a4flb)

99 >>I had to go to LA for business during COVID. It was the fasted trip I've ever made and the only trip where I didn't hit stop-and-go traffic on the freeway.

I dragged a boat from RI to Port St Lucie during the lockdowns. It was amusing traveling through blue states to red states where rules were different. Had dinner in a pub in FL that was packed and unmasked.

What a sick joke that time was.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2026 12:27 PM (viF8m)

100 There is a video of a panel of epidemiologists at a conference, from some time in the 2000s, discussing possible public affairs approaches to some contingency like C19 (epidemic with above-average mortality).

There was a uniform (and proper) recognition by all panel members there were no actual policies or "mitigation" that could materially affect the course of events - it was entirely a question of (my phrasing) "how do we calm an illiterate and panicked public?".

Not in a cynical or diabolical sense. Just a recognition that the public would expect "solutions", there weren't any (other than watching the epidemic run its course along the Gompertz curve), and the profession had to be ready to say *something* reassuring.

These sorts of epidemiologists and actual science existed in 2020, but they were suppressed or self-muzzled. So, just confirming the general thesis here, but in a way making it even more outrageous.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 27, 2026 12:29 PM (U/Byj)

101 95 I highly recommend that everyone watch the movie: Citizen Vigilante that Musk posted on X. An excellent movie and a possible look into the future.
The above way or another. . . . .there needs to be a reckoning.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 27, 2026 12:26 PM (7aGEe)

Don't want to spoil the movie, but the way the cops went into that building was about the stupidest thing I'd ever seen and I believe would be nothing like what would happen in real life.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 27, 2026 12:30 PM (l3cgK)

102 Wonder what Dr. Rush would have thought of his descendent Stockton Rush..

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2026 12:30 PM (Sqwfw)

103 It wasn't Covid-19 that destroyed the trust. It was some governments' response to Covid-19. Squandered our trust.
Posted by: m at June 27, 2026 11:43 AM (6wpGE)

Covid-19 didn't just happen. It was created by scientists paid from government funds. An op from the git-go.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 27, 2026 12:30 PM (1z8ji)

104 I highly recommend that everyone watch the movie: Citizen Vigilante that Musk posted on X. An excellent movie and a possible look into the future.
The above way or another. . . . .there needs to be a reckoning.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 27, 2026 12:26 PM


I rented it last night on Prime Video. It's not in any way an excellent movie (Uwe Bolle is gonna Uwe Bolle), but everyone definitely should see it. And the ending isn't, but they already announced a sequel so that's not surprising.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 27, 2026 12:32 PM (QZThv)

105 Don't want to spoil the movie, but the way the cops went into that building was about the stupidest thing I'd ever seen and I believe would be nothing like what would happen in real life.

I remember watching the video of the cops that went in to deal with the tranny school shooter in TN.

There was one guy that knew what he was doing and ordered the other guys to spread out and effectively use their advantage in numbers absent him it looked like the rest of the cops were going to slowly move through the building in one big bunch...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 12:33 PM (sKqQm)

106
Covid-19 didn't just happen. It was created by scientists paid from government funds. An op from the git-go.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 27, 2026 12:30 PM (1z8ji)



And was released in an effort to stop Trump.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:33 PM (2YhKe)

107 Covid-19 didn't just happen. It was created by scientists paid from government funds. An op from the git-go.

It is interesting how we went from:

COVID19 was obviously a naturally developed virus and anyone claiming anything else is a racist science denier

to

Well we always suspected COVID19 came from the Wuhan lab, but that's the price you have to pay to get new vaccines amiright?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 27, 2026 12:34 PM (sKqQm)

108 I'm old enough to remember the flu completely went away when covid arrived.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:34 PM (2YhKe)

109 Gain of function labs should be tactically nuked, just to be sure.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 27, 2026 12:35 PM (2YhKe)

110 48 @m: Go look back at the tech thread, last comment. I answered your question about the egg joke.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 27, 2026 12:00
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Thanks. I was wondering about that as well.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 27, 2026 12:35 PM (Hbeqj)

111 And was released in an effort to stop Trump.

100%. Trump being a known germophobe chose the form of his destructor. If he was afraid of ghosts, they would've dunked James Carville in flour and had him chase the Donald.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 27, 2026 12:35 PM (QZThv)

112 593 moves playing Spider solitaire to beat it

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2026 12:36 PM (Ia/+0)

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