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Monday Overnight Open Thread - June 29, 2026 [scampydog]

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Born Barn Again


Your Monday dose of CBD has been temporarily interrupted. Please accept this budget-friendly ONT instead. Less refined, with a side of excessive content.

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The theme tonight is black and white. Before we dive into the monochrome, let’s go with some whimsical content.

Hell yeah! It is Combine Demolition Derby Time!


The combines have entered the arena (link goes to wikipedia)

Competitors typically remove heavy or unneeded parts of the combines before competitions and reinforce the front, or header, of the vehicle.[3] A vehicle is deemed eliminated once its header section is destroyed or the combine is immobilized. Competitors attempt to use the header to pop other vehicle's tires, rupture their drive belts, or tear off their header.[4] The competitions can end in ties if the only remaining machines become inextricably tangled together.[5] The competition in Lind, Washington often includes multiple heats, including rounds for event veterans, rookies, and consolation rounds for losers.[6] In Michigan, there is a derby circuit with competitions in several towns.

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Before the Scots arrived for their World Cup adventure - with cones, drank everything in sight, and somehow won over America, Boston had a different kind of overflow problem.

The Great Molasses Flood of 1919

The tank, 50 feet high and 90 feet in diameter, contained 2.3 million gallons of molasses originally destined for use in a munitions plant.

The tank, though only a few years old, seemed shaky. People who lived and worked in the North End said the tank shuddered and groaned when the company filled it.

Shortly after noon, the tank collapsed with a thunderous roar. The ground shook, and witnesses said the rivets popping out of the tank sounded like machine gun fire.

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Things nobody really wants to know. The ONT is here for you

Why wombat poop is cube shaped

Humans may be fascinated by cubes, but only one animal poops them: the bare-nosed wombat. This furry Australian marsupial squeezes out nearly 100 six-sided turds every day—an ability that has long mystified scientists. Now, researchers say they have uncovered how the wombat intestine creates this exceptional excrement.

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Things We All Knew Before the Internet Arrived.

The lost art of the handwritten note and stationery sets. Who remembers the Onion Skin and Bristol Board paper?

There really is something meaningful about a hand written note on stationary.

Who still takes the time to send hand written notes?

Another household name that pops up every holiday season is Current. The brand was launched by Bill and Mary Gick in their Colorado Springs basement in 1950. Their idea was simple but clever: create high quality, personalized greeting cards and sell them directly to customers through mail order catalogs. Current was one of the first companies to really master the catalog approach, and their colorful, customizable products quickly found a dedicated fan base.

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Hello 80's Ladies.

The rise and fall of shoulder pads.

A brief history of shoulder pads

Using padding to alter the shape of our clothing isn’t a new concept — it dates back to the 1870s and 1880s, when padding was used for the bustles of women’s dresses to extend the fullness at the back.

However, the origins of the fashion shoulder pads we know and love today go back to Princeton University football players in the late 19th century, who developed the pads for protection — but the trend didn’t begin to enter women’s fashion until the 1930s.

shoulder pads 80s.jpg

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Black and White Photography.

This isn’t the Art Thread (which is awesome, btw). Nobody needs to put on a beret and explain how the weathered fence post is “engaging in a silent dialogue with the setting sun, the wheat field, and the passage of time.”

But there is something different about black and white photography. Texture. Mood. Sometimes nostalgia. Removing color somehow makes your eyes work harder - noticing details, shadows, contrast, lighting, expressions, and little things you might have ignored otherwise.

Black and white takes something away and somehow can reveal more.

So no deep analysis, no pretending every old barn is having an existential conversation. Just some cool images, some great photography, and a chance to enjoy what the camera caught.

Enjoy.

Variety of images

Now in the digital age, making black and white is a choice you can make after you shoot the images – which gives you options we didn’t have in the film days. So I wanted to share some B&W images to get you thinking about the possibilities.

Marianna Roussou pic.jpg

Marianna Roussou

15 Landscape Photos

Marco Nurnberger Photo.jpg

Marco Nurnberger

Acceptable Rhino

Allesandro Marena image.jpg

Allesandro Marena

Batch of 60

Frederica Giordano image.jpg

Frederica Giordano

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Burning Monday Questions

If you buy a bigger bed, do you have more bedroom?

At what point does a pile become a heap?

Why do noses run and feet smell?

If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?

Alarm goes off? Or does it go on?


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On theme musical interlude. Chris Isaak. Bonus for the 'Rons - Helena Christensen.


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Spin up a milshake or malt.

Harvest Gold Blender.jpg

Groovy

I have nothing against the stainless steel finish, but I still have memories of the green fridge and dishwasher from my parents' own home. Today, my mother's kitchen has all white appliances, including the microwave.


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Hey, I hear there’s this little 250th thing happening.

We might as well talk about it. All the Smarty Readers here know, but those that don't.... Since a big part of any celebration of THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD involves the stars and stripes, here’s a refresher on the proper care, display, and respect for the American flag.

Clothing and Old Glory

One of the most common points of confusion: the Flag Code’s restrictions apply to actual United States flags, not to clothing or products that happen to feature a stars-and-stripes pattern. A T-shirt printed with red, white, and blue stripes isn’t a flag. A bandana with a flag motif isn’t a flag. Wearing these items doesn’t violate the code. The prohibition on using the flag as a costume means you shouldn’t cut up or drape an actual flag over yourself — it doesn’t extend to patriotic-themed apparel.

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This ONT was brought to you by: Put A Pickle In Your Shitty Beer.

PIckle Beer.jpg

SoDak. That tracks. The pic above was a Busch Latte. It did not ruin the pickle spear. Nor did it improve the beer.

South Dakota, Mallory told me, is famous for its "pioneer preservation sensibility" and penchant for pickling everything from green beans to watermelon rinds. She says the addition of the pickle works best when it's "paired with a light domestic lager-style beer, like Bud Light or PBR. The base beer has to have a pretty clean, mild flavor for it to work."

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This ONT was brought to you by the mistaken belief that one can outrun a tornado.

Was thinking a different kind of tornado, but this will do.

Sophie C Tornado.jpg


Disclaimer: This ONT was not involved with the Great Giraffe Getaway. If you encounter another Wandering Giraffe - they are not funded by, affiliated, endorsed, or even aware of the AoSHQ Limited Liability Empire (LLE). This ONT may contain trace amounts of facts, rumors, and speculation.

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Comments

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1 Every day in every way
ONTs are getting better and better.

Usually.

Posted by: mindful webworker - laughing all the way at June 29, 2026 10:00 PM (/4mOE)

2 wooo

Posted by: morigu at June 29, 2026 10:00 PM (RDxgA)

3
Scheherazade

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 10:00 PM (UsddL)

4 Good evening good people.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 29, 2026 10:01 PM (9KCLn)

5 I have that blender.

Posted by: Don Black at June 29, 2026 10:03 PM (ZxPkt)

6 I drove my Electra 225 in a demo derby. Lasted about 90 seconds before I got pushed up over the fence. Best car for demo is an old Imperial. Very strong frame, doesn't fold up.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:03 PM (Jr5Lq)

7 Has Sophie cunningham been called RACIST yet for pointing at a black player?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 29, 2026 10:04 PM (THY4u)

8
This evening was the latest sunset for me at ~35N.

Aphelion will be pretty late this year, July 6. It was the 3rd last year. The Moon takes the blame for that wide variation each year.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at June 29, 2026 10:04 PM (w6EFb)

9 > it dates back to the 1870s and 1880s, when padding was used for the bustles of women’s dresses to extend the fullness at the back.

I like big butts and I cannot lie

Posted by: Victorian Horndog at June 29, 2026 10:04 PM (IG3/x)

10 Doggo! Well done. Excellent ONT content. Thank you!

Posted by: TRex - monochrome dino at June 29, 2026 10:04 PM (IQ6Gq)

11
*aims at spittoon*
*misses*

Good evening, Hordians.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:05 PM (O0L8i)

12 If I had been here earlier I wouldn't be this late.

Posted by: JohnFNotKerry at June 29, 2026 10:05 PM (ZAfEX)

13 Ahh....Black & White....

Posted by: Joemarine at June 29, 2026 10:06 PM (y171U)

14 Yikes! Scampy🐕‍🦺! Oh so lovely to see you!
And Hordians!
So much love😕❣❣❣

Posted by: COMountainMarie at June 29, 2026 10:06 PM (uTEOj)

15 Good evening and thank you Scampy.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 29, 2026 10:06 PM (NnhvP)

16 Good evening morons en bedankt Hondo

We had that exact same Osterizer.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 10:06 PM (RIvkX)

17
Has Sophie cunningham been called RACIST yet for pointing at a black player?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 29, 2026 10:04 PM (THY4u)

___________

Hear tell she's available. If I wasn't already taken...

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:07 PM (O0L8i)

18 Hey, publius: have you seen this?

Took me a few tries, but I finally managed it. Fun.

https://iss-sim.spacex.com/

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 29, 2026 10:07 PM (IG3/x)

19 We visited the site of the Molasses Flood when we were in Boston last year. They put a baseball diamond there.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 10:08 PM (RIvkX)

20 Yes, the last two photos would look completely different in color. Not as impressive, and the color would take center stage instead of composition.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:09 PM (1Ff7Z)

21 But there is something different about black and white photography.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:00 PM

Ansel Adams!

https://www.anseladams.com/

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 29, 2026 10:09 PM (PLxDd)

22 Hopefully Freddy the German isn't disappeared once he gets back home. Or any of the other Euros who dared to wave their nations' flags or spoke well of the US.

Posted by: Kareem of Wheat at June 29, 2026 10:09 PM (C1H7N)

23 And yeah...my dog says feed me...I say yes my mistress🐈‍⬛!!!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at June 29, 2026 10:09 PM (uTEOj)

24 Perused the content. No objections.

Someone explain: I've seen the video clip and the memes. But, what's the pointing gal pointing for?

And I read that they caught the runaway giraffe.

Posted by: mindful webworker - free the longnecks! at June 29, 2026 10:10 PM (/4mOE)

25 Happy Monday Everyone!

Thank you for ONT Mr. Doggo!

Enjoying a nice cool evening here in Southern California. Sun going down, shadows lengthening...

Hope everyone is well and has a good week at work or whatever else we all fill our days with.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK's Phone) at June 29, 2026 10:10 PM (QGaXH)

26 I call B&W the "Beautify" filter.
What else take a battered, rusty wreck of an old car and make it look beautiful?

Posted by: KCSteve at June 29, 2026 10:10 PM (2+WvJ)

27 Never liked the shoulder pad look. Shoulder pads are for linebackers, not ladies.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:11 PM (1Ff7Z)

28 Mmmmm…peak Joan Collins…mmmmmm…

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:11 PM (77rzZ)

29 Who still takes the time to send hand written notes?

Postcards. I still send them. Although I usually buy them ahead of time on eBay because (a) they’re cheaper, and (b) they look nicer, than modern postcards.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 29, 2026 10:11 PM (RyXxL)

30 Good evening Horde and all above with the nice ONT words.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 10:12 PM (41CYW)

31
We visited the site of the Molasses Flood when we were in Boston last year. They put a baseball diamond there.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 10:08 PM (RIvkX)

______________

The Purity Distilling Conpany eventually was subsumed into what is now LyondellBasell Industries, which still has an alcohol plant in Ohio.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:12 PM (O0L8i)

32 >> Hey, publius: have you seen this?

No, and thanks! Very cool.

Methinks I'm gonna need some practice.... Playing around just now, let's just say my approach was somewhat off-nominal.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at June 29, 2026 10:12 PM (w6EFb)

33 Oh wow that is exactly the Osterizer I grew up with! Made a thousand milkshakes in that thing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2026 10:12 PM (orF8y)

34 Some of these flag etiquette rules are new to me...

"When displayed from a staff in a church or auditorium, the flag belongs in the position of honor at the speaker’s right (the audience’s left)."

Posted by: Joemarine at June 29, 2026 10:13 PM (y171U)

35 Woot! Lots of content, Scampydog. Pretty sure I have been to Lind, WA. Just off the highway between Ritzville and the Tri-Cities. Near some of the channeled scablands.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2026 10:13 PM (1z8ji)

36 Ansel Adams!

https://www.anseladams.com/
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Yes, for sure. Great b/w.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 10:14 PM (41CYW)

37 I'm so happy Scampydog didn't kill himself with a disclaimer typo. That would have been a bad ending.


There are stupid people about. I saw someone who lived on the 6th floor of a 20 story building who didn't like the view from his corner balcony. To improve it, he decided to remove the support post on the outside corner.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 29, 2026 10:14 PM (qx7Zg)

38 Combine demolition derby looks like a hoot.

Posted by: huerfano at June 29, 2026 10:15 PM (VJX5o)

39 ***molasses originally destined for use in a munitions plant.>>>
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What were they going to do with molasses in a munitions plant?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 10:16 PM (UsddL)

40
"When displayed from a staff in a church or auditorium..."

I'm as patriotic a son of a bitch as they come, but a church should not have a flag. It's the house of the Lord, Whose Kingdom is not of this world.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:16 PM (O0L8i)

41 Thanks for the girthy Monday Night ONT, scampydog!

*pats head lovingly*

Who's a good boy! Yes, you!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 29, 2026 10:16 PM (D/6p1)

42 There are stupid people about. I saw someone who lived on the 6th floor of a 20 story building who didn't like the view from his corner balcony. To improve it, he decided to remove the support post on the outside corner.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 29, 2026 10:14 PM (qx7Zg)
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Was this in Shenzen? Because it sounds like Shenzen.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 10:16 PM (RIvkX)

43 Nice groin vault.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 29, 2026 10:16 PM (u/oMr)

44 Ansel Adams!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 29, 2026 10:09 PM (PLxDd)

Poser. Nowhere as good as Henri Cartier-Bresson!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:17 PM (1Ff7Z)

45 Oh wow that is exactly the Osterizer I grew up with! Made a thousand milkshakes in that thing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2026 10:12 PM (orF8y)

Graham Platner has an Oysterizer, but you cannot see it unless he forgets to zip up his fly.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2026 10:17 PM (1z8ji)

46 I never watch the wnba. But this Sophie whoever she is is a hottie.
If they had more players like her, I just might watch it.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at June 29, 2026 10:17 PM (aLUNq)

47 Anyway Doggo...thanks for being here...good boy!!! Sit! Good dog! Here's a cookie! woof!!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at June 29, 2026 10:17 PM (uTEOj)

48 I keep trying to watch this police bodycam video, but something in it is very distracting.

https://youtu.be/sQAZdHuHfNM

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 29, 2026 10:17 PM (f0sNM)

49 Willowed a bit: The Nazis did that too. If you don't learn from history...something..something
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

I get a lot of YouTube vids in my feed of stories of German POWs during WWII that arrive in Texas or Wisconsin or anywhere really. The propaganda was strong with them but became to soften immediately following their first meal. Real meat, real coffee, real milk, weird foods they'd never seen (like biscuits and gravy) but devoured, portions they couldn't believe. They began to realize they'd been lied to.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 29, 2026 10:18 PM (l26NL)

50 There are stupid people about. I saw someone who lived on the 6th floor of a 20 story building who didn't like the view from his corner balcony. To improve it, he decided to remove the support post on the outside corner.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 29, 2026 10:14 PM (qx7Zg)
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Was this in Shenzen? Because it sounds like Shenzen.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 10:16 PM (RIvkX)

I don't remember if the location was mentioned. China is my guess, though.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 29, 2026 10:18 PM (qx7Zg)

51 Pretty sure I have been to Lind, WA. Just off the highway between Ritzville and the Tri-Cities. Near some of the channeled scablands.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Yessir. Just southish of Ritzville.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 10:18 PM (41CYW)

52 So how much of a weirdo do you have to be to study wombat poop?

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:18 PM (77rzZ)

53 lol!
Combine Demo Derby. EFFF YEAH BABY!
Only in ‘Merica!
I mean, where else?
I LOVE this country!

Posted by: Gunslinger at June 29, 2026 10:18 PM (Mxkwh)

54 Whos' the tornado girl?

Posted by: Eromero at June 29, 2026 10:19 PM (LHPAg)

55 What were they going to do with molasses in a munitions plant?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 10:16 PM (UsddL)

Maple syrup was becoming too expensive?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2026 10:19 PM (1z8ji)

56 So how much of a weirdo do you have to be to study wombat poop?
Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:18 PM (77rzZ)

At least they didn't turn them into loaded dice for D&D ... or did they?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 29, 2026 10:19 PM (qx7Zg)

57 Fighting with 3 AI Agents, I think I'm going to lose this one.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 29, 2026 10:19 PM (XV/Pl)

58 But there is something different about black and white photography. Texture. Mood.

Perfectly encapsulated by Barn Again. The left picture is more visually interesting than the right side. Right pic looks flat. Dead even. The left has texture and tells a story of what used to be, and decay. Much more a story of the passage of time.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:20 PM (1Ff7Z)

59 Nice to see you COMM! And thanks for the cookie.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 10:20 PM (41CYW)

60 I drove my Electra 225 in a demo derby. Lasted about 90 seconds before I got pushed up over the fence. Best car for demo is an old Imperial. Very strong frame, doesn't fold up.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:03 PM (Jr5Lq)

I thought they banned those from demo derby for that exact reason. They were tanks.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 29, 2026 10:20 PM (snZF9)

61 I have that blender.

I have three versions of that blender. The generic, pictured. The Imperial. And the Galaxie. I keep the Galaxie on the counter. Technically I bought the extras because I wanted to have a backup in case one dies, but they don’t seem to die. Really, I bought them because (a) they’re dirt cheap, and (b) I bought the generic new, I saw the Imperial and thought it looked better and maybe I should have a backup, and then I saw the Galaxie and it looked even better, and really, I should have two backups.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 29, 2026 10:20 PM (RyXxL)

62 Thanks for the ONT.

Pickles in beer.

Ok, youre welcome to it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 29, 2026 10:21 PM (zZu0s)

63 I don't hang around early ONT's much but I wanted to hopefully just drive-by and catch COMMarie real quick and say I hope you are doing okay.

Posted by: ... at June 29, 2026 10:21 PM (vE0+H)

64 Sorry I'm late, there was a breakdown in negotiations between the gremlins and the kobolds. Things got ugly.

Posted by: tankdemon at June 29, 2026 10:21 PM (aCynU)

65 I traded in my Oster blender after a whole lotta years of loyal use. Got a Vitamix. I must say, the Vitamix is like the Oster on turbo. It's a great blender!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at June 29, 2026 10:21 PM (D/6p1)

66 Mmmmm…peak Joan Collins…mmmmmm…
Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:11 PM (77rzZ)

(shakes head at Bulg's incorrect statement)

Joan Collins as Edit Keeler.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:22 PM (1Ff7Z)

67 Scampydog! Excellent content. Good dog!

Posted by: tankdemon at June 29, 2026 10:22 PM (aCynU)

68 Evenin'

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at June 29, 2026 10:22 PM (sAmhv)

69 I drove my Electra 225 in a demo derby.

My first car was a Buick Le Sabre, which, as I recall, is one of the Electra’s sisters. Boat of a car, but a dream to drive, even the horribly out-of-shape one I had.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 29, 2026 10:22 PM (RyXxL)

70 29 Who still takes the time to send hand written notes?

Postcards. I still send them. Although I usually buy them ahead of time on eBay because (a) they’re cheaper, and (b) they look nicer, than modern postcards.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 29, 2026 10:11 PM (RyXxL)
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I still send Christmas cards to friends and family. Sometimes sympathy cards.

The last handwritten note to my husband was last year. He found this on the coffee maker thing (Keurig) that uses pods:

"Hi. I'm sorry for the mess, but it blew up and I tried to clean but I cannot deal with it. Going back to bed."

The pod was old and puffed up. There are no warnings about this that I recall. It went everywhere into the machine and I could not cope.

I have switched to black teabags since then.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 29, 2026 10:22 PM (hzuYO)

71 I am trying to think of alcohol that would be complimented by vinegar.

Not coming up with much. Not many savory alcohols.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 29, 2026 10:23 PM (zZu0s)

72
*breaks treat in half*

*gives it to scampy*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:23 PM (O0L8i)

73 Thanks for the ONT, Doggo!

I have Mom's old blender; it's an "Osterizer Imperial VIII"
Darned thing is *heavy* and yes, we made many milkshakes with it!

Posted by: JQ at June 29, 2026 10:24 PM (rdVOm)

74 *breaks treat in half*

*gives it to scampy*
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:23 PM

Was it a shrimp?

Posted by: JuJuBee at June 29, 2026 10:24 PM (tM5h4)

75 What were they going to do with molasses in a munitions plant?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 10:16 PM (UsddL)

Make some sweet little bombs?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:24 PM (1Ff7Z)

76 What were they going to do with molasses in a munitions plant?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 10:16 PM (UsddL)

Turn it into rum to turn into ethanol for use in making gunpowder?

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 29, 2026 10:24 PM (ntqEh)

77 I had better go make some supper.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2026 10:25 PM (1z8ji)

78 Black and white photography can be pretty cool looking. One time when we went to sturgis, which was before digital cameras became popular, Mrs B shot a few roles of black and white film. It made a lot of things feel more historic. Rushmore, devils tower, buildings in Deadwood, various scenery, etc, looked really cool in black and white.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 29, 2026 10:25 PM (snZF9)

79 Well this was fun!

By the way, everyone looks better in black and white photos. They hide a multitude of sins.

Posted by: Piper at June 29, 2026 10:25 PM (hftzA)

80 63 ...
Thank you love!❣❣


Posted by: COMountainMarie at June 29, 2026 10:25 PM (uTEOj)

81 I am trying to think of alcohol that would be complimented by vinegar.

Not coming up with much. Not many savory alcohols.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 29, 2026 10:23 PM

I'm still trying to wrap my head around dill pickle flavored potato chips.

Posted by: JuJuBee at June 29, 2026 10:25 PM (tM5h4)

82 49

The U.S. followed the Geneva Convention scrupulously. Most of the POWs had more personal space in the camps than they did back home as free men.

Those who wanted to work picked apples, etm.

On VE Day, the U.S. govt was surprised to discover that many of the Germans didn't want to go home! They had hooked up with local girls... while picking apples, etm.

But... they had to go home. Because rules.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (RCjYY)

83 Well, since I had a brilliant comment that no one saw, I will bring it forward.

Has anybody here ever had zebu?
Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 07:54 PM (77rzZ)


[ . . . ] And also the Cebu, that you meet in the zoo,
Can be buggered if you are sure just what to do,
You will need a large mattress upon which to fall--
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (rbvCR)

84 Jaques henri latrigue has entered the chat

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (Kt19C)

85 66 I wasn’t saying that the pic up top was peak Joan Collins. Peak Joan Collins was that Star Trek ep that she was in.

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (77rzZ)

86 I have Mom's old blender; it's an "Osterizer Imperial VIII"
Darned thing is *heavy* and yes, we made many milkshakes with it!

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Sounds like a blender that could dominate the Balkans.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (u/oMr)

87 also, I have that exact model of Osterizer on my counter, in running condition.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (rbvCR)

88 Scamps!
What a wonderful Ont!

Thank you!

Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 29, 2026 10:27 PM (yEz+x)

89 I'm still trying to wrap my head around dill pickle flavored potato chips.
Posted by: JuJuBee at June 29, 2026 10:25 PM (tM5h4)

I have decided they are almost good. Just a variation on salt and vinegar chips.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 29, 2026 10:27 PM (zZu0s)

90 "Boat of a car, but a dream to drive"

It was very nice for $250. All the electrics and pneumatics broke down after a couple years.

"They were tanks."

The ass-end on this 1960 Imperial just shouts "HIT ME!"
youtube.com/watch?v=xtsfyBcTymA

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:27 PM (Jr5Lq)

91 7 Has Sophie cunningham been called RACIST yet for pointing at a black player?
Posted by: Lemmiwinks



Of course. She was called a racist even before this. Too lazy to look it up.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at June 29, 2026 10:28 PM (sAmhv)

92 48 I keep trying to watch this police bodycam video, but something in it is very distracting.

https://youtu.be/sQAZdHuHfNM
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 29, 2026 10:17 PM (f0sNM)

Woman in video kinda looks like Kat Timpf from Fox....mebbe it's the glasses....

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK's Phone) at June 29, 2026 10:28 PM (QGaXH)

93
On VE Day, the U.S. govt was surprised to discover that many of the Germans didn't want to go home! They had hooked up with local girls... while picking apples, etm.

But... they had to go home. Because rules.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (RCjYY)

_____________

America: a country so awful it's prisoners of war want to stay.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:28 PM (O0L8i)

94 The U.S. followed the Geneva Convention scrupulously. Most of the POWs had more personal space in the camps than they did back home as free men.
Posted by: mnw

The sense I get is we were so scrupulous in the hopes they would treat our boys well.

Narrator: But they did not.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 29, 2026 10:29 PM (l26NL)

95 Sophie Cunningham is not bad looking.

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:30 PM (77rzZ)

96 I'm still trying to wrap my head around dill pickle flavored potato chips.
Posted by: JuJuBee at June 29, 2026 10:25 PM (tM5h4)

I have decided they are almost good. Just a variation on salt and vinegar chips.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 29, 2026 10:27 PM (zZu0s)

Dill pickle slices on soda crackers. Poverty snacks for a kid like me. Man, that sounds good right now.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rock 'n' Roll Martian at June 29, 2026 10:30 PM (0aYVJ)

97 I got home from the range hungry. Diced some Campari tomatoes, sautéed in olive oil, added some leftover spaghetti noodles, a minced garlic clove, S&P, fresh basil, & grated parmigiana. Simple but very good. Added benefit of using cooked, cold pasta is it turns into a resistant starch which is much better for you. 2 weeks to Nationals!

Posted by: lin-duh at June 29, 2026 10:31 PM (VCgbV)

98 America: a country so awful it's prisoners of war want to stay.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:28 PM (O0L8i)

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I had a parrot once. I wanted to get rid of it so I put the cage on the balcony and left it open. He wouldn't leave either.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 29, 2026 10:31 PM (u/oMr)

99 Japan’s loss today hit harder than DE. Say what you will, all you soccer nay sayers, but the World Cup is bringing out a lot of positive we haven’t felt for awhile now.

Posted by: Piper at June 29, 2026 10:31 PM (hftzA)

100
Sounds like a blender that could dominate the Balkans.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (u/oMr)

__________

France, at least.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:31 PM (O0L8i)

101
Has Sophie cunningham been called RACIST yet for pointing at a black player?
Posted by: Lemmiwinks


She might get stabbed in the heart!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 29, 2026 10:31 PM (Cqx++)

102 Two comments:

1. The poor baby! Defooted!

B. Ask Mis Hum about what humanitarians eat.

Thanks for the ONT, Doggo!!

Posted by: LRob in OK at June 29, 2026 10:32 PM (Jr+re)

103 Japan’s loss today hit harder than DE. Say what you will, all you soccer nay sayers, but the World Cup is bringing out a lot of positive we haven’t felt for awhile now.
Posted by: Piper
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Agree. Been pretty positive for the USA and all the travelers.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 10:33 PM (41CYW)

104 They're not too far away from knifing Clark on the court.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at June 29, 2026 10:33 PM (C1H7N)

105 Speaking of black-and-white photos, O. Winston Link did some great stuff.

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:33 PM (77rzZ)

106 Jaques henri latrigue has entered the chat
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (Kt19C)

Wasn't Arnold Palmer from Latrigue?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:33 PM (1Ff7Z)

107 At WSJ: "Chatbots Are Replacing Therapists With Little Scientific Evidence Behind Them"

If it's a choice between expensive hard-to-schedule human talk therapists who can't cure you, vs free always-available chatbots who can't cure you, I'll take vanilla.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:33 PM (Jr5Lq)

108 > Methinks I'm gonna need some practice.... Playing around just now, let's just say my approach was somewhat off-nominal.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at June 29, 2026 10:12 PM (w6EFb)

Yeah, it's trickier than it looks.

I was just able to finish my second successful docking in a row, but there numerous...less successful dockings before that.

"Two dockings since last fatal crash". That would look good on a safety award, eh?

I wonder if I should send Musk my resume.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 29, 2026 10:33 PM (IG3/x)

109
Agree. Been pretty positive for the USA and all the travelers.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 10:33 PM (41CYW)

___________

The New York Times is telling them, "Don't believe your lying eyes! This country sucks."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:35 PM (O0L8i)

110 "Nobody needs to put on a beret and explain how the weathered fence post is “engaging in a silent dialogue with the setting sun, the wheat field, and the passage of time.”

Well...crap.
*throws beret back on the shelf*

Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2026 10:35 PM (2WIwB)

111 I wasn’t saying that the pic up top was peak Joan Collins. Peak Joan Collins was that Star Trek ep that she was in.
Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (77rzZ)

Yeah, as Edith Keeler. JC looked better to me as a younger woman than as the Dynasty character. She looks mean in that pic up top. Seems to be a nice person, though.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:35 PM (1Ff7Z)

112 Dutch score against filthy, treacherous Moroccans.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 29, 2026 10:35 PM (l26NL)

113 > Yeah, it's trickier than it looks.

I think the problem there is that even though your brain knows the physics and that you're not going to lose any velocity (linear or angular) when you stop burning, your reflexes don't.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 29, 2026 10:36 PM (IG3/x)

114 Diced some Campari tomatoes, sautéed in olive oil, added some leftover spaghetti noodles, a minced garlic clove, S&P, fresh basil, & grated parmigiana.
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I have been trying unsuccessfully for the last 35 years to explain to Mrs. F. that this is not "spaghetti sauce."

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 10:36 PM (RIvkX)

115 Dutch score against filthy, treacherous Moroccans.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 29, 2026 10:35 PM (l26NL)


If only they were able to do that in real life . . .

Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2026 10:37 PM (rbvCR)

116 At WSJ: "Chatbots Are Replacing Therapists With Little Scientific Evidence Behind Them"
Posted by: gp

So just like therapists.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 29, 2026 10:37 PM (l26NL)

117 Color does cover some things up.

Your eyes actually look for contrast - it's how you see in the dark. You have twice as many rods (b&w) in your eye as cones. Your eyes were made for that to be more distinct and identifiable. Then the cones give you color, and your brain is like, "Wow, that new girl is really cute!" right in front of the current gf (who is beautiful) and you forget all about the dark and light stuff.

Which is a big reason I do not like modern TVs or color-pushed photographs (though some filter work is ok, if it can help with contrasts). The colors always look wrong to me. I can even spot some of the more subtle filters (or effects in digital photography) because the color is just wrong - usually because it makes the contrasts too obvious.

I shot a few rolls of B&W in my day, and I enjoyed it.

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2026 10:37 PM (kU0PQ)

118 The ass-end on this 1960 Imperial just shouts "HIT ME!"
youtube.com/watch?v=xtsfyBcTymA

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:27 PM (Jr5Lq)

A friend of mine used to collect those. We used to call him Jesus Chrysler. He had a bunch of them up to 1965, which was a nice crown coupe. All in nice shape, all with 413 engines. They were party barges.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 29, 2026 10:38 PM (snZF9)

119 93
On VE Day, the U.S. govt was surprised to discover that many of the Germans didn't want to go home! They had hooked up with local girls... while picking apples, etm.

But... they had to go home. Because rules.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 10:26 PM (RCjYY)

_____________

America: a country so awful it's prisoners of war want to stay.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh



That's been happening for a while. Hessian soldiers that were captured during the Revolutionary war were given the option to go back to whatever German state they lived in or be given acreage of land in the west (PA, Ohio, etc) and stay in America. Lots of them did. Good choice.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at June 29, 2026 10:38 PM (sAmhv)

120 Say what you will, all you soccer nay sayers, but the World Cup is bringing out a lot of positive we haven’t felt for awhile now.
Posted by: Piper at June 29, 2026 10:31 PM (hftzA)

We certainly like the people who came over. Don't care about the games at all. (shrug)

Now, they need to go home and start slapping around their pols since they've found out they are being lied to about us.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:38 PM (1Ff7Z)

121 Of course. She was called a racist even before this. Too lazy to look it up.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at June 29, 2026 10:28 PM (sAmhv)

You know who else was called a racist?

Posted by: ... at June 29, 2026 10:38 PM (vE0+H)

122 Pretty sure I have been to Lind, WA. Just off the highway between Ritzville and the Tri-Cities. Near some of the channeled scablands.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Yessir. Just southish of Ritzville.
Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 10:18 PM

***

My college roommate's dad was the Ford Dealer in Ritzville.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2026 10:39 PM (2WIwB)

123 "All in nice shape, all with 413 engines. They were party barges."

Very cool collection!

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:39 PM (Jr5Lq)

124 It was very nice for $250. All the electrics and pneumatics broke down after a couple years.

I think my LeSabre cost $400 or $600. But it was a convertible. Manual. The motor for automatically raising and lowering the top was disconnected and in the trunk, and I never bothered to try to hook it back in.

With the top down it could hold a whole lot of college students.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 29, 2026 10:40 PM (RyXxL)

125 So..this is probably neither nor there...
Today I proudly hung my American Flag outside. I sooo love seeing it flying outside. Feels pretty nice💯!!


Posted by: COMountainMarie at June 29, 2026 10:40 PM (uTEOj)

126 94

Nazi Germany, like the Confederacy, had problems feeding and housing POWs decently-- while losing an existential war.

Returned U.S. POWs usually said their biggest problem had been boredom, however. (Returned from Germany and Italy, that is... NOT from the Japanese accommodations).

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 10:40 PM (RCjYY)

127 66 Mmmmm…peak Joan Collins…mmmmmm…
Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:11 PM (77rzZ)

(shakes head at Bulg's incorrect statement)

Joan Collins as Edit Keeler.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:22 PM (1Ff7Z)

She was definitely NOT peak in that pic.

In Space:1999, OTOH…(Mission of the Darians)

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 29, 2026 10:40 PM (gfO9L)

128 125 So..this is probably neither nor there...
Today I proudly hung my American Flag outside. I sooo love seeing it flying outside. Feels pretty nice💯!!


Posted by: COMountainMarie at June 29, 2026 10:40 PM (uTEOj)

for the first time in years, I don't feel like I should raise my American flag... upside down (sign of distress when at Sea).

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2026 10:41 PM (mP0Kj)

129 My Osterizer has one toggle switch; off, momentary, and on. It'll make margaritas like no other blender I've seen.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 29, 2026 10:41 PM (fkjGs)

130 Now, they need to go home and start slapping around their pols since they've found out they are being lied to about us.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:38 PM (1Ff7Z)

As well as talking to their fellow citizens back home about how life is here.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 29, 2026 10:42 PM (gfO9L)

131 In junior high I took a photography class. It was all black and white, because part of the class was developing our own film, and making prints, and B&W was far simpler. I got some great shots, most of which I have lost over the years.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rock 'n' Roll Martian at June 29, 2026 10:42 PM (0aYVJ)

132 126 94

Nazi Germany, like the Confederacy, had problems feeding and housing POWs decently-- while losing an existential war.

Returned U.S. POWs usually said their biggest problem had been boredom, however. (Returned from Germany and Italy, that is... NOT from the Japanese accommodations).
Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 10:40 PM (RCjYY)

Hmm.... I notice that we never talk about Ally POWs held by Italians... and how they were treated.

I really have no idea.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2026 10:42 PM (mP0Kj)

133 Actually, Edith Keeler was smoking hot.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at June 29, 2026 10:42 PM (RIvkX)

134 Your eyes actually look for contrast - it's how you see in the dark. You have twice as many rods (b&w) in your eye as cones.

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2026 10:37 PM (kU0PQ)

The Paolo agrees, as he has, how you say, more rods than other men.

Posted by: The Paolo at June 29, 2026 10:43 PM (1Ff7Z)

135 111 Yeah, I never thought much of either Joan Collins or Linda Evans in Dynasty, but, forced to choose, would definitely’ve gone with Joan.

Now Pamela Sue Martin as Fallon, on the other hand…hubba hubba hubba..:

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:43 PM (77rzZ)

136 B&W film had the advantage of being something everyone could develop in a darkroom.

And a good bit of fun could be had in said darkroom with a partner of the opposite sex.

It was just a question of what developed first ...

Posted by: browndog says woof at June 29, 2026 10:43 PM (3sXRv)

137 Sugoi ne minna.

Universal Studios Japan has a Frieren attraction.

Need to win the lottery nyah.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 10:43 PM (2GVsD)

138
I'd like to see a book on German POWs in the US during WWII. An interesting story. Seems the early prisoners were ordinary schlubs who were no problem, but when the SS guys came over things got more tense.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:43 PM (O0L8i)

139 I coded a Turing machine this weekend, just for fun. The excitement never ends around here.

Now I'll see if I can get investment capital to build a Turing machine datacenter.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:44 PM (Jr5Lq)

140 133 Actually, Edith Keeler was smoking hot.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at June 29, 2026 10:42 PM (RIvkX)

Shut up Wessley...

Edith Keeler was very Pretty... but not teh Hawt.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2026 10:44 PM (mP0Kj)

141 POWs in Italy, do not expect much truth in Von Ryan's Express but prisoners there were.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 10:44 PM (2GVsD)

142
Hmm.... I notice that we never talk about Ally POWs held by Italians... and how they were treated.

I really have no idea.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2026 10:42 PM (mP0Kj)

_____________

Von Ryan's Express by David Westheimer describes life in an Italian POW camp.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:45 PM (O0L8i)

143 My college roommate's dad was the Ford Dealer in Ritzville.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2026 10:39 PM (2WIwB)

The Ritzville Brothers were pale imitations of the Marxville Brothers.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:45 PM (1Ff7Z)

144 Hmm.... I notice that we never talk about Ally POWs held by Italians... and how they were treated.
Posted by: Romeo13

I don't think there were any. Kidding, Italian friends!

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 29, 2026 10:46 PM (l26NL)

145 139 I coded a Turing machine this weekend, just for fun. The excitement never ends around here.

Now I'll see if I can get investment capital to build a Turing machine datacenter.
Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:44 PM (Jr5Lq)


Guess I'll fire up the ENIGMA machine and start sending messages to the High Command.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2026 10:46 PM (2WIwB)

146 143 My college roommate's dad was the Ford Dealer in Ritzville.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2026 10:39 PM (2WIwB)

The Ritzville Brothers were pale imitations of the Marxville Brothers.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:45 PM (1Ff7Z)

So.... Marx was better than putting on the Ritz?

Who woulda thunk THAT?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2026 10:46 PM (mP0Kj)

147 Hmm.... I notice that we never talk about Ally POWs held by Italians... and how they were treated.

I really have no idea.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2026 10:42 PM (mP0Kj)
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The Italian Army spent most of its time in the south of France and Albania.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at June 29, 2026 10:47 PM (RIvkX)

148 The Italian Army spent most of its time in the south of France and Albania.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at June 29, 2026 10:47 PM (RIvkX)

Uh... African campaign?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2026 10:48 PM (mP0Kj)

149 In junior high I took a photography class. It was all black and white, because part of the class was developing our own film, and making prints, and B&W was far simpler. I got some great shots, most of which I have lost over the years.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rock 'n' Roll Martian at June 29, 2026 10:42 PM (0aYVJ)

I kept my stuff - even the test prints - in a binder. They're in the garage, but too buried to pull out. I think MisHum posted some I sent him in one of the early Hobby Threads.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:48 PM (1Ff7Z)

150 WLOX TV-13 Biloxi, MS on German POWs in Mississippi

https://youtu.be/YVyT0jPemVk

35-minute video on German POWs in Mississippi

https://youtu.be/y8Dt7aj1pkI

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 10:48 PM (2GVsD)

151 I'd do handwritten notes but no one could read them.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 10:48 PM (UsddL)

152 Oh yeah, forgot we captured about 100k Italians when the Axis surrendered in North Africa.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 10:49 PM (2GVsD)

153 Italy held a considerable number of Allied prisoners. Mostly downed airmen. As were U.S. POWs in Germany.

Britain had a lot more men in the ranks captured, bc Dunkirk.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 10:50 PM (RCjYY)

154 LeVar Burton voice over:

This furry Australian marsupial squeezes out nearly 100 six-sided turds every day

And that's the origin of the saying, "If my aunt was a wombat, she'd shit bricks."

The more you know (Insert rainbow shooting star graphic here)

Posted by: Joe Kidd at June 29, 2026 10:50 PM (nbLIj)

155 There's a small Confederate POW cemetery in Madison, WI. During the Woke Iconoclasm, the local lefties made a big stink about it, got a plaque removed.

So I looked up the Civil War newspaper articles from the time of their arrival. The POWs were welcomed cordially. Even though they were enemies at time of war. Unfortunately, they didn't do well in the cold weather.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:50 PM (Jr5Lq)

156 151

*fistbump*

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:50 PM (77rzZ)

157 Speaking of German POWs, my grandfather would "hire" them to help with the farm and get the crops in since all our boys were otherwise engaged. Anyhoo, he spoke Texas German which is a kind of patois of German and English mashup and he'd have lunch with the POWs and chat.

Neighbors accused him of being a member of the Bund. Grandmother never let German be spoken in the home (she was Scottish). My dad couldn't speak a bit of German.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 29, 2026 10:51 PM (l26NL)

158
Italy held a considerable number of Allied prisoners. Mostly downed airmen. As were U.S. POWs in Germany.

____________

Lots of Brits captured in the Med (e.g. Tobruk) got fobbed off on the Eyties.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:52 PM (O0L8i)

159 I'd like to see a book on German POWs in the US during WWII. An interesting story. Seems the early prisoners were ordinary schlubs who were no problem, but when the SS guys came over things got more tense.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:43 PM (O0L8i)

***

Back in the 70's young Lieutenant Diogenes was stationed in Germany. I got to know the Forstmeister (the forest manager) for the training area at Grafenwoehr where we did field training. He had be captured in Africa and spent the war at a camp in Chicago. He learned English. His last job was driving an American general around. Interesting guy.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2026 10:52 PM (2WIwB)

160 Acceptable Rhino

Bring 'em back alive
_Frank Buck

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 10:52 PM (UsddL)

161 Fighting with 3 AI Agents, I think I'm going to lose this one.
Posted by: Thomas Bender


All three are named Agent Smith and look identical?

Posted by: mindful webworker - the may tricks at June 29, 2026 10:52 PM (/4mOE)

162 There's a small Confederate POW cemetery in Madison, WI. During the Woke Iconoclasm, the local lefties made a big stink about it, got a plaque removed.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:50 PM (Jr5Lq)

F those bastards. Was it ever returned to its place?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 10:53 PM (1Ff7Z)

163
Filthy Moroccans tie it up.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:53 PM (O0L8i)

164 161 Fighting with 3 AI Agents, I think I'm going to lose this one.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

All three are named Agent Smith and look identical?
Posted by: mindful webworker - the may tricks at June 29, 2026 10:52 PM (/4mOE)

TAKE THE RED PILL!

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2026 10:54 PM (mP0Kj)

165 Chris Isaak channeling Chris Rea.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 10:55 PM (UsddL)

166 So, no one picked up on my mention of Pamela Sue Martin.

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:55 PM (77rzZ)

167 Uh... African campaign?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2026 10:48 PM (mP0Kj)
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They barely beat the Ethiopians and weren't around for very long.

North Africa, not a factor.

Strategically, the Italian Armed Forces were useless and mostly just in the way.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 10:55 PM (RIvkX)

168 "F those bastards. Was it ever returned to its place?"

I don't know, but I doubt it, because Mad City is crazy woke. I did go up there to visit it, took some pics.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:56 PM (Jr5Lq)

169 No love for the Waring Blender? That's what we had.
We made milkshakes.

We bought a new couch and armchair last week. For due diligence, we looked at upholstery samples to see if there was one we liked better.
One caught my eye- a tabby weave in cream, oatmeal, pumpkin and avocado.
"Look, honey- what a blast from the past!"
"Actually-" said the salesman, "that colorway is coming back."

Oh please, no.

Posted by: sal at June 29, 2026 10:56 PM (f+FmA)

170 Have any of the husbands considered this:

At my last colonoscopy I had the doctor write a note to my wife stating that my head was NOT up there...

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 29, 2026 10:57 PM (qx7Zg)

171 Osterizer and Amana Radar Range, feed me Seymour.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 10:57 PM (UsddL)

172 Some German POWs worked at the Gerber (baby food) plant in Fremont, Michigan, near where I grew up. There is a plaque outside the plant describing it. I can’t imagine getting shipped back from West Michigan to post-war Germany.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 29, 2026 10:58 PM (RyXxL)

173 158

I'm surprised to learn that Axis forces in North Africa were able to transport POWs back to Europe at all.

There was a brief window of opportunity when they could've evacuated most of the Afrika Corps ... but they didn't.

I'm surprised they had enough ships available to transport POWs.

Something I found interesting:

Within DAYS after Rommel arrived, they started making Jews register and wear yellow stars.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 10:58 PM (RCjYY)

174
Strategically, the Italian Armed Forces were useless and mostly just in the way.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 10:55 PM (RIvkX)

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Mussolini was so stupid. Should have stayed non-belligerent. At least Franco recognized that Spain was in no shape to do anything and could only lose by coming in.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:58 PM (O0L8i)

175 No red-blooded American gives a damn about which fag country is beating up which other fag country in kickball.

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:59 PM (77rzZ)

176 I should go to bed. Saijo is taking up a lot of space here for a dog that weighs 25 pounds!

Posted by: Piper at June 29, 2026 10:59 PM (Dd38x)

177 170 Ha!

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:59 PM (Jr5Lq)

178 Franpsycho, the Italian navy (Reggia Marina) was more than just in the way in the Med. They were a potentially serious threat and the Royal Navy's main concern (next to the Luftwaffe) for the early years. If they'd had more fuel, they might have caused more damage than they did.

Their frogmen were also excellent and essentially blazed the path for modern special naval warfare concepts.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:00 PM (U/Byj)

179 — it doesn’t extend to patriotic-themed apparel.
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Had a pair of red, white and blue striped pants. Stripes came together at the knee then went back to the cuff. Just call me Uncle Sam's nephew.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:00 PM (UsddL)

180 Woman in video kinda looks like Kat Timpf from Fox....mebbe it's the glasses....
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It's the bewbs

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 29, 2026 11:01 PM (f0sNM)

181 I can’t imagine getting shipped back from West Michigan to post-war Germany.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 29, 2026 10:58 PM (RyXxL)

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They could have spent their last few weeks in Detroit, you know, to get acclimated.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 29, 2026 11:01 PM (u/oMr)

182 I'm pretty sure some Italian units went to the eastern front too. Internet says more than 250K.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 29, 2026 11:01 PM (oIVsY)

183 175 No red-blooded American gives a damn about which fag country is beating up which other fag country in kickball.
Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:59 PM (77rzZ

I do.

Posted by: Piper at June 29, 2026 11:02 PM (Dd38x)

184 6 I drove my Electra 225 in a demo derby. Lasted about 90 seconds before I got pushed up over the fence. Best car for demo is an old Imperial. Very strong frame, doesn't fold up.

Posted by: gp
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Was it the Imperial that pushed you over the fence?
Surely not a Ford or a Chevy.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:03 PM (UsddL)

185 4 Jul 1942.

8th Air Force baptism by fire was carried out by crews of the 15th BS(L). It was a series of four attacks.

A three ship of RAF Boston IIIs, two flown by American crews attack Fliegerhorst De Kooy. The AA is so terrific that Capt. Kegelman's plane has an engine shot away and he barely makes it back to England. Lt Loehrl's plane was not so lucky as the intense AA set his plane fire and his plane would crash in shallow waters off Holland. Loehrl's body would never be recovered, his bombardier Lt. Marshall Draper became the 8th Bomber Command's* first POW.

*VIII Fighter Command's first POW would be the XO of the 31st FG flying a Spitfire Mk V when he tangled with FW 190s over France.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:03 PM (2GVsD)

186 183 Piper, why?

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 11:03 PM (77rzZ)

187 So, no one picked up on my mention of Pamela Sue Martin.
Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 10:55 PM (77rzZ)

S'ok, but... I can't really remember much of what she was in. Nancy Drew?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 11:03 PM (1Ff7Z)

188 Didn't Mussolini attempt to invade the Balkans, and got hopelessly bogged down such that Hitler had to send German troops to ave their hides?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2026 11:03 PM (1z8ji)

189 159

Future U.S. Attorney General Nick Katzenbach was able to study law while he was a POW in Germany. The Germans didn't care whether or not he had law books, and somehow he got them.

Katzenbach wrote about his experiences as a POW.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:04 PM (RCjYY)

190 Oh yes the Italians contributed forces to Barbarossa (more really to the follow-on campaigns). Ditto the Hungarians and Romanians (and Spain). A few years back I read a small memoir by a surviving Italian soldier who made it out of the USSR. "Few Returned" I think it's called. As grim and amazing as you would imagine.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:04 PM (U/Byj)

191 I need to proofread before I hit post next time. Yikes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:05 PM (2GVsD)

192 Nothing against Fords. Guy I rode to school with had an old Ford Galaxie 500, 390, Holley 4bbl, 4 on the floor w/positraction.
Rides to school were an event.



Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:05 PM (UsddL)

193 I always enjoyed the apocryphal quite by Churchill, when he found that the Italians were part of the Axis powers.
“Well it’s only fair, we had to take them last time.”

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2026 11:05 PM (orF8y)

194 handwritten notes… Wish I could.

Sad to relate, my hands are rather uncooperative anymore, and I prefer to type rather than try my illegible scrawls. I should've been a physician.

Not that my handwriting was ever very pretty. I tended to use a kind of cursive-block lettering combo. How those gals in grade school had such perfect cursive I've never understood. Mom, too.

Alas, my piano playing is hindered, too.

I read that Renoir in advanced years had such terrible arthritis that he would have to have the paintbrush taped to his hand.

I'm too young to be so crippled.😶

Posted by: mindful webworker with flailing fingers at June 29, 2026 11:05 PM (/4mOE)

195 AOP, yep. And the Balkan distraction may have delayed Barbarossa by a few weeks, which obviously was a bad thing for the krauts, given the lovely December weather during which they came *this* close to taking Moscow.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:05 PM (U/Byj)

196 Kareem, I'm still not sure how Freddy's going to get all his souvenirs back to Germany. I think he's going to need ten suitcases.

@SkylarSkyer
I came to America with 2 suitcases.
I now have 4.
These extra 2 cases are filled with ranch, variety of seasonings, chic fil a sauce, Reece’s peanut butter cups, beef jerky, root beer, Gatorade, kraft mac & cheese, pancake syrup and pop stars.

Pop stars, loool...pretty sure she could fit Ariana Grande and Sabrina Carpenter in the same carryon.

Also TSA/customs has said it will confiscate all their liquids? So good luck.

Posted by: LizLem at June 29, 2026 11:06 PM (gWBY1)

197
Didn't Mussolini attempt to invade the Balkans, and got hopelessly bogged down such that Hitler had to send German troops to ave their hides?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2026 11:03 PM (1z8ji)

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Supposably that delayed Barbarossa by a month and if Hitler had that month blah blah blah.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 11:06 PM (O0L8i)

198 "Was it the Imperial that pushed you over the fence?
Surely not a Ford or a Chevy."

I wasn't keeping track. The thing I found hardest to do was to make a legal hit (front or back, not side.) As soon as I'd accelerate, the devious drivers would turn their side toward me. My rear frame folded under, and if I hadn't got pushed over the log, I wouldn't have gotten far anyway, with my rear wheels almost off the ground.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 11:06 PM (Jr5Lq)

199 Their frogmen were also excellent and essentially blazed the path for modern special naval warfare concepts.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:00 PM (U/Byj)
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Thanks, I'm very uninformed about naval matters.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 11:06 PM (RIvkX)

200 187 Poseidon Adventure. And Fallon in the first years of Dynasty.

Young Bulg found her very attractive.

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 11:07 PM (77rzZ)

201 I don't know, but I doubt it, because Mad City is crazy woke. I did go up there to visit it, took some pics.
Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 10:56 PM (Jr5Lq)

If you don't want statues of Jeff Davis and other CSA leaders, that's one thing. But, to defile the graves of regular soldiers is another. These bastards aren't half the men our ancestors were. They aren't heroes, they're f'n commie bastards without honor and don't deserve to live here. I'd say round them up and push them out over China or North Korea and let them live their vaunted socialist ideals there.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 11:07 PM (1Ff7Z)

202 Reggia Marina battleship Roma was sunk by a German Fritz X guided bomb after Italy surrendered.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:07 PM (2GVsD)

203 "So, no one picked up on my mention of Pamela Sue Martin."

I saw her boobs.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 11:07 PM (Jr5Lq)

204 Mussolini was so stupid. Should have stayed non-belligerent. At least Franco recognized that Spain was in no shape to do anything and could only lose by coming in.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:58 PM (O0L8i)

Churchill tried, but no soap.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 11:09 PM (1Ff7Z)

205 British Chariots were basically copies of what the Italian frogmen used.

There was a plot by those same Italian frogmen to sail via submarine to New York City to sink some shipping. But Italy switched sides before it could be carried out.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:09 PM (2GVsD)

206 And I honestly thought the pickle in beer was one of those pineapple in koolaid, diabetes inducing concoctions. Glad to be proven wrong?

Posted by: LizLem at June 29, 2026 11:09 PM (gWBY1)

207 Texas

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqBCurSwK3k

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:09 PM (UsddL)

208 178

I dissent from the view (posted above somewhere) that Italian troops were useless.

The Germans in N. Africa did something they called "corset stiffening"-- integrating German soldiers into Italian units. The Germans reported that these hybrid Italo-German units performed equally as well as the Wehrmacht.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:10 PM (RCjYY)

209 Reggia Aeronautica fought in the Battle of Britain. CR.42 biplanes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:10 PM (2GVsD)

210 There are several good videos on UToob about German POWs in the US. One good one is about the camp at Concordia, KS. Many POWs returned to the US as immigrants, married women they'd met as prisoners. Same thing in Canada.

A former Navy nurse at a volunteer thing years back talked about how the POWs would come to pick fruit at her family's farm in AZ.

A favorite story is of the two Germans who "escaped" the minimal security camp at Windsor, CA (now wine country). Sheriff and locals got quite excited. They found the guys lazing on the beach (I think near Jenner). They said they just wanted to see the Pacific. Not related but geographically proximate was the story of an Italian POW who worked at a winery/vineyard, returned after the war, and ended up a major figure in the winery, which was a prominent one.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:11 PM (U/Byj)

211 Also TSA/customs has said it will confiscate all their liquids? So good luck.

Posted by: LizLem at June 29, 2026 11:06 PM (gWBY1)

UPS to the rescue!

https://youtu.be/OKdz037-Ljg

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 29, 2026 11:12 PM (qx7Zg)

212 I need to proofread before I hit post next time. Yikes.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Heh. I had that "sinking feeling" when I hit the publish button on the post tonight. Wonderful time to remember that I didn't spell check anything.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 11:12 PM (41CYW)

213 Do I want to click on this link?

"Influencer, 36, found dead inside suitcase in short-term rental apartment."

I don't think that was the influence you were aiming for, was it?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:12 PM (2GVsD)

214 You know, I am going to take a controversial stance. One for which CBD and JJ will probably want to string me up.

I am not a huge fan of pastrami. I mean, it's ok. But given a choice between good roast beef and pastrami, I'll take the roast beef.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 29, 2026 11:13 PM (mPXxA)

215 213 Do I want to click on this link?

"Influencer, 36, found dead inside suitcase in short-term rental apartment."

I don't think that was the influence you were aiming for, was it?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:12 PM (2GVsD)

WTF? Wait, wasn't this a thing a few years ago?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 29, 2026 11:13 PM (mPXxA)

216 186 183 Piper, why?
Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 11:03 PM

It’s actually a fun game to watch, our Outlaws actually demonstrate the behaviors we claim to want from professional sports players (sportsmanship, giving glory to God together as a team, being humble), the level of excitement this has generated across the US has been a fun ride, and again, the games are actually fun to watch. I thought I would hate it. I live with an Italian. I had to watch it. I realized it was a great sport. If you haven’t watched, I suggest you take in some of the FIFA games and see what I am talking about. You might be surprised.

Really going to bed now. Night, all!

Posted by: Piper at June 29, 2026 11:13 PM (hftzA)

217 The Germans in N. Africa did something they called "corset stiffening"-- integrating German soldiers into Italian units. The Germans reported that these hybrid Italo-German units performed equally as well as the Wehrmacht.
Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:10 PM (RCjYY)
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So what you're saying is the Italians were unreliable without German bayonets poking them in the back?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 11:14 PM (RIvkX)

218 Franpsycho, a good book on the topic is "Struggle for the Middle Sea" by Vince O'Hara, an historian who lives down here (I've met him at several conferences). The Italian naval threat was a very serious matter for British operations.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:14 PM (U/Byj)

219 "I am not a huge fan of pastrami."

I haven't seen REAL pastrami in decades.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 11:14 PM (Jr5Lq)

220 I read somewhere that when Churchill learned that Italy had joined the Tripartite Pact with the Germans, his response was, "It's only fair. We had them last time."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 29, 2026 11:14 PM (u/oMr)

221 Take care Piper and give Soup a ruffle for me.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:14 PM (2GVsD)

222 Columbian model. 36.

I am wondering if her boyfriend did indeed care whether she did Onlyfans with some 'friends.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 29, 2026 11:15 PM (mPXxA)

223 Also TSA/customs has said it will confiscate all their liquids? So good luck.

Posted by: LizLem at June 29, 2026 11:06 PM (gWBY1

Expensive to ship too. I was going to ship three containers of peanut butter to Mr. H and Friends so he could try different ones, but it was going to cost over $150, so I didn't. Funny that peanut butter has a large import duty on it.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 11:15 PM (1Ff7Z)

224 But given a choice between good roast beef and pastrami, I'll take the roast beef.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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I like 'em both. If forced to only eat one for the rest of my time, I'd choose the roast beast.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 11:15 PM (41CYW)

225 "Influencer, 36, found dead inside suitcase in short-term rental apartment."

I don't think that was the influence you were aiming for, was it?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:12 PM (2GVsD)

Ira Einhorn, call your office.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2026 11:15 PM (1z8ji)

226 204 Mussolini’s invasion of Ethiopia forced Britain and France to cut ties with him and thrust him into Hitler’s embrace. What a stupid move on his part:

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 11:15 PM (77rzZ)

227 Aetius

You might be thinking of the Texas killer of two women who stuffed them in suitcases.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:16 PM (2GVsD)

228 Roast beast?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:16 PM (2GVsD)

229 The Italians had some excellent ground forces, but their leadership was terrible. Not the mixed units, but Italian ones - their "elite" elements.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:17 PM (U/Byj)

230 213 Do I want to click on this link?

"Influencer, 36, found dead inside suitcase in short-term rental apartment."

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I sense a movie pitch:

Working title: Death Rides The Luggage Carousel

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 29, 2026 11:17 PM (u/oMr)

231 220

I've always liked what Churchill said about De Gaulle's Free French forces in Britain: "The heaviest cross I had to bear during the war was the Cross of Lorraine."

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:17 PM (RCjYY)

232 Or maybe the story out of New Orleans after Katrina of the guy killing his girlfriend and stuffing her in a wooden chest.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:17 PM (2GVsD)

233 Thanks, I'm very uninformed about naval matters.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 11:06 PM (RIvkX)

Me too.

Posted by: Yoga master at June 29, 2026 11:17 PM (1Ff7Z)

234 I'm pretty sure some Italian units went to the eastern front too. Internet says more than 250K.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 29, 2026 11:01 PM (oIVsY)


Both Italy and Spain supplied troops for the Eastern front. When the Spanish reached the end of the contract time they told the Germans they were going home and the Germans gave them transport. When the Italians got to the end of their contract the Germans told them to keep fighting.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 29, 2026 11:17 PM (rbvCR)

235 Roast beast?
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Grinch Who Stole Christmas. Grinch carved the roast beast - which most interpreted as roast beef.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 11:18 PM (41CYW)

236 203 Really? More details are required,

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 11:18 PM (77rzZ)

237 "You might be thinking of the Texas killer of two women who stuffed them in suitcases."

The lady who zipped her boyfriend up in a suitcase and sat and taunted him as he suffocated, and videoed it. IIRC, her path to justice has been crooked.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 11:18 PM (Jr5Lq)

238 Working title: Death Rides The Luggage Carousel

Cue up that scene from Airplane!

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:18 PM (2GVsD)

239 Blind taste test I dare you to tell pastrami from corned beef.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 29, 2026 11:19 PM (3msSP)

240 Poseidon Adventure. And Fallon in the first years of Dynasty.

Young Bulg found her very attractive.
Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 11:07 PM (77rzZ)

Didn't watch Dynasty, my mom did so I knew most of the character names. Don't remember her in PA. Was she the older sister of the boy who told someone to shove it?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 11:19 PM (1Ff7Z)

241 rhomboid sfpl has got it! Thanks.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 11:19 PM (RIvkX)

242 Kindltot the Spanish were motivated volunteers IIRC, the "blue" division. Don't think there were many volunteers among the Italian, Romanian, and Hungarian forces.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:19 PM (U/Byj)

243 "Really? More details are required,"

She did a prison shower scene, and a magazine photo with some bush.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 11:20 PM (Jr5Lq)

244 228 Roast beast?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:16 PM (2GVsD)

Where is he wrong?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 29, 2026 11:20 PM (mPXxA)

245 Blind taste test I dare you to tell pastrami from corned beef.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 29, 2026 11:19 PM (3msSP)
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Tell me you're not from Flatbush without telling me you're not from Flatbush.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 29, 2026 11:20 PM (RIvkX)

246 "Tornado girl" is Sophie Cunningham. She is the enforcer on the Indiana Fever that protects Caitlin Clark.

Sophie is only 6'1" and 165#, but what matters is the size of the fight in the dog. Her backdown factor is set on zero.

She is also MUCH cuter when not in enforcer mode.

For the Morons:

https://tinyurl.com/2twfwtd5

https://tinyurl.com/2vr5ccak

https://tinyurl.com/sen3jcxp

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 29, 2026 11:20 PM (HlyYF)

247 153 Italy held a considerable number of Allied prisoners. Mostly downed airmen. As were U.S. POWs in Germany.
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Family friend was shot down over Italy. Farmers took him in, nursed him back to health and secured him back over the line.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:20 PM (UsddL)

248 Working title: Death Rides The Luggage Carousel

Cue up that scene from Airplane!
Posted by: Anna Puma

My friend thought we should disguise ourselves as luggage at the airport.

I said "Let's not get carried away".

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at June 29, 2026 11:21 PM (l26NL)

249 239 Blind taste test I dare you to tell pastrami from corned beef.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 29, 2026 11:19 PM (3msSP)

Unless paired with cabbage... actually you are right.

But corned beef should be minced with potatoes. 'Hashed' if you will.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 29, 2026 11:21 PM (mPXxA)

250 Franpsycho, great! A few years ago my female supervisor pointed out that the public library was a good option instead of $25 for a book I might not like and would have to find room to keep. Years later, my shelves have only added a few items but I've read a gazillion titles. Even better, the public library here's in a network with the universities, so I'm able to get some pretty obscure (invariably WWII) titles too.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:21 PM (U/Byj)

251 When I was growing up in Phoenix, my dad showed me some old wooden barracks in what is now Papago Park. They were used to house Luftwaffe officers late in the war, and security was only a couple strands of barbed wire because, where ya gonna go?

Still one of the most enterprising organized an escape one night (wasn’t hard) because he’d gotten hold of a map that showed the Gila River about 60 miles south, and the map showed it flowed into the Colorado and then to Mexico. He figured they’d make a crude raft and get out of the country.

So they escaped, and made the hard walk over 60 miles of desert by night, made it to the Gila - and to their complete surprise, learned that rivers in southern Arizona are nothing but sand for about 10 months a year. Never heard of anything like that back in Germany.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 29, 2026 11:22 PM (orF8y)

252 Then there is Bully Beef.

Reviled along silverbeets by American forces in New Guinea. The 418th NFS actually celebrated when their chow hall burned down.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:23 PM (2GVsD)

253 240 Yes, she was the older sister who took care of her little brother, and led them both to safety.

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 11:24 PM (77rzZ)

254 "Blind taste test I dare you to tell pastrami from corned beef."

I'd take that bet.

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 11:24 PM (Jr5Lq)

255 I believe Franco only sent one DIVISION to the Eastern front-- the Blue Division. It was an all-volunteer outfit.

That was it, IIRC.

Italy, like Spain, probably would've been of more use to Germany as a pro-German neutral, i.e., as Spain and Portugal were.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:24 PM (RCjYY)

256 A funny and completely predictable story is that quite a few American POWs in Italy were missing for a bit. They woke up to find the guards gone and gates open, and many took off (against orders and, generally, a dangerous thing to do).

Friendly farmer. Friendly young American Friendly farmer's got a daughter. Italy. Small amount of math required. I think they finally found most of them, but the story itself is beautiful.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:25 PM (U/Byj)

257 Thanks for the black and white photography section. When you want to empathize shapes/patterns and textures, colors can be distracting. The mood shifts as well. The same scene in color and black and white can have an entirely different feel. I don't believe Ansel Adams' mountain landscapes would be improved with color.

If I were to get back into photography, especially with film, it would be black and white. A greater challenge in some ways and it offers more latitude in developing and printing.

Posted by: JTB at June 29, 2026 11:26 PM (yTvNw)

258
Italy, like Spain, probably would've been of more use to Germany as a pro-German neutral, i.e., as Spain and Portugal were.
Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:24 PM (RCjYY)

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Can you imagine what it would have been like if the Irish had sent troops to fight alongside Germany?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 29, 2026 11:26 PM (u/oMr)

259 What would your status be if you were freed like that? Found the gates open one day and no guards.

Posted by: Reforger at June 29, 2026 11:27 PM (0dsIZ)

260 Ireland?

Let me introduce you to Plan Kathleen.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:28 PM (2GVsD)

261 Tom Servo, I recall that story. U-boat officer, right? Generally POWs in the US didn't try to escape. Most just enjoyed their unbelievable good fortune. There were "hard cases", which we concentrated in a few camps. Really encourage people to watch some of the videos. It's an entirely unsurprising yet feel-good story. Serious enemies come to America and ..... well, minds change.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:29 PM (U/Byj)

262 Yes, she was the older sister who took care of her little brother, and led them both to safety.
Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 11:24 PM (77rzZ)

(calls up imdb to see when PA hit theaters)

Ah, yes. Wasn't noticing women yet.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 11:29 PM (1Ff7Z)

263 "When displayed from a staff in a church or auditorium..."

I'm as patriotic a son of a bitch as they come, but a church should not have a flag. It's the house of the Lord, Whose Kingdom is not of this world.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:16 PM (O0L8i)

Generally speaking, between Anglicans and Calvinist Protestants, American churches put the flag in their churches because of Paul's (God's) admonition about obeying the rulers over you and Jesus' bit about "render unto Caesar." It is a way of declaring that, while we have no king but Jesus, we are still citizens of this earthly nation and obey it. It helps that the Founders took "Providence" and God so seriously that the idea our nation as "God-given" runs through the nation's very essence.

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2026 11:29 PM (kU0PQ)

264 Reforger I'm not sure your Geneva protections change if you walk from an abandoned camp. But the chances of those protections being ignored or not understood increase quite a bit. Thus the standard orders to remain in place. Also, camps were generally marked and known, so Allied air could avoid hitting them. Smart move was to stay put.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:31 PM (U/Byj)

265 255 Portugal was actually pro-Allies (see, e.g., Casablanca), but didn’t want to officially join the Allies out of fear that that would cause Franco to join the Axis:

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 11:31 PM (77rzZ)

266 What would your status be if you were freed like that? Found the gates open one day and no guards.
Posted by: Reforger at June 29, 2026 11:27 PM (0dsIZ)

Walking corpse? Spy?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 11:32 PM (1Ff7Z)

267 246: Sophie Cunningham is also a black belt Taekwando I think.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at June 29, 2026 11:32 PM (sAmhv)

268 257 Thanks for the black and white photography section.
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Glad you enjoyed them. And I like how you described them and the process.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 11:33 PM (41CYW)

269
Okay, enough with the docking from me for now. I was getting so deep into that, time was getting away from me.

6 degrees of freedom is a bitch. You've got your 3 translational axes to worry about, and then 3 degrees of attitude angles. Doesn't matter if you get the nose pointed right, you've got to get lined up translationally as well.

I got within 10 m range, and then my x and y translation wouldn't stabilize right -- it was always drifting, and then I'd get obsessed with trying to get that steady, and then my attitude would start drifting.

Time to abort for a while.....

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at June 29, 2026 11:33 PM (w6EFb)

270 Hilarious observation by someone the other day online.

US is the first country to host a World Cup while attacking the country of one of the participating teams.

Sort of an "America, f**k yeah!" moment, mixed with "WTF?".

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:34 PM (U/Byj)

271 231 220

I've always liked what Churchill said about De Gaulle's Free French forces in Britain: "The heaviest cross I had to bear during the war was the Cross of Lorraine."
Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:17 PM (RCjYY)

My grandpa fought in WWI. When the Americans got to France, the French tried to tell them how the French would use those troops. Grandpa explained that Pershing just told them to step aside and let the professionals get to work.

Apparently that didn't change much over the years. Hence, Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 29, 2026 11:34 PM (bl07w)

272
Let's just say if you were waiting on me to dock, you'd better pack a lunch or ten.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at June 29, 2026 11:34 PM (w6EFb)

273 Outta left field but I would love to hear Stewart Copeland jam with Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee.

Posted by: Dark Lixtiquatal at June 29, 2026 11:34 PM (DZ9Lv)

274
Portugal allowing access to the Azores was a great benefit to the Allies.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 11:34 PM (O0L8i)

275 Is Gracie the Giraffe still on the lam?

Posted by: Common Tater at June 29, 2026 11:35 PM (FihSa)

276 Thus the standard orders to remain in place. Also, camps were generally marked and known, so Allied air could avoid hitting them. Smart move was to stay put.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:31 PM (U/Byj)

The US prisoners in The Great Raid stayed put too. They started to eat the Japanese food, but the soldiers returned.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 29, 2026 11:35 PM (1Ff7Z)

277 ====
So what you're saying is the Italians were unreliable without German bayonets poking them in the back?

Posted by: San Franpsycho
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It takes a leader. A Hungarian general came over here some time ago and taught our lads to march, I believe.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:35 PM (UsddL)

278 267 246: Sophie Cunningham is also a black belt Taekwando I think.
Posted by: Puddleglum
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I too read that. Also reported she was the placekicker for her HS football team.

Posted by: scampydog at June 29, 2026 11:35 PM (41CYW)

279 Family friend was shot down over Italy. Farmers took him in, nursed him back to health and secured him back over the line.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:20 PM (UsddL)

My uncle flew many many missions over Italy. He never once talked about any of it.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 29, 2026 11:36 PM (bl07w)

280 Bulg how does "Casablanca" fit into Portugal's situation? Just not making the connection.

In any case you are correct. Lisbon was of course the center of Axis/Allied espionage and hijinks, since all the players were there. One of the many amazing operations in which the UK played the krauts like a fiddle was based there.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:36 PM (U/Byj)

281 USS New Orleans. Pearl Harbor. 7 Dec 1942.

Ship was tied to pier power with no boilers lit. So ammunition for the 5in AA guns had to be manually passed up, to encourage morale to accomplish this Herculean task, Chaplain Maurice Forgey would slap backs and offer encouragement to the sailors and Marines. He was reported to have uttered the now famous phrase, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."

In 1944 he would publish a memoir of USS New Orleans battles in the Pacific until a Japanese Long Lance torpedo blew her bow and #1 8in turret off. It would be titled And Pass the Ammunition.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:37 PM (2GVsD)

282 250 Franpsycho, great! A few years ago my female supervisor pointed out that the public library was a good option instead of $25 for a book I might not like and would have to find room to keep. Years later, my shelves have only added a few items but I've read a gazillion titles. Even better, the public library here's in a network with the universities, so I'm able to get some pretty obscure (invariably WWII) titles too.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:21 PM (U/Byj)

The public library in Anchorage is a great place to watch mating pairs of addicts go at one another on the nice, comfy, overstuffed furniture.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 29, 2026 11:38 PM (bl07w)

283 It takes a leader. A Hungarian general came over here some time ago and taught our lads to march, I believe.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:35 PM (UsddL)

Vas?

Posted by: Baron Von Steuben at June 29, 2026 11:39 PM (1Ff7Z)

284 Pershing just told them to step aside and let the professionals get to work.

Apparently that didn't change much over the years. Hence, Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys.

Posted by: tcn in AK
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Yo, get out the way bitch.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:39 PM (UsddL)

285 I read an interesting account of the only German POW to escape from a prison camp in North America, & make it all the way back to Germany. He was imprisoned in Canada.

He was a Luftwaffe pilot. He got across the U.S.-Canadian border., during the two year period when America was still neutral.

Then, he phoned the German embassy in Washington, and they facilitated his entry into Mexico. From Mexico, he took a ship to Spain. From Spain, it was easy for him to arrange travel back to Germany.

He was later killed in action. He went to a lot of trouble just to die.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:40 PM (RCjYY)

286 OrangeEnt, Cabanatuan? The raiders took the prisoners back with them through the lines (one of the many amazing aspects to the operation).

One guy was deaf and in the john when the raid took place and emerged from the latrine to find an empty camp. I think some Filipino guerrillas still there found him and got him to the escape caravan.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:40 PM (U/Byj)

287 Is Gracie the Giraffe still on the lam?
Posted by: Common Tater
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She is back in captivity and planning her next escape.

Posted by: scampydog - Steve McQueen Style at June 29, 2026 11:40 PM (41CYW)

288 So, POW in camp then AWOL if you walk out?


Yet Article 3
"If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy."

I found a friendly farmers daughter when I "escaped". Decided the best way to aid in the war was to stay with her.

It really doesn't say much about what else to do afterward.

Personally I would have found some guns and raised hell until they killed, or captured me again.

Posted by: Reforger at June 29, 2026 11:41 PM (0dsIZ)

289 287 Is Gracie the Giraffe still on the lam?
Posted by: Common Tater
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She is back in captivity and planning her next escape.
Posted by: scampydog - Steve McQueen Style at June 29, 2026 11:40 PM (41CYW)

You go, girl.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 29, 2026 11:41 PM (bl07w)

290 He was later killed in action. He went to a lot of trouble just to die.
Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:40 PM (RCjYY)

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Hard to make a sequel to that movie.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 29, 2026 11:42 PM (u/oMr)

291 mnw

You are talking about Franz von Werra. First photo that usually pops up when searching his name is of him posing with a lion cub.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:42 PM (2GVsD)

292 128 for the first time in years, I don't feel like I should raise my American flag... upside down (sign of distress when at Sea).
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2026 10:41 PM (mP0Kj)

I used to put my American flag postage stamps on envelopes upside down as a silent protest during the Obama years....Biden years too but hardly mail anything by then.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK's Phone) at June 29, 2026 11:44 PM (QGaXH)

293 Chuck Yeager was shot down over Germany and escaped and evaded, making his way to neutral Switzerland iirc. After repatriation he demanded to be sent back to his unit to continue fighting. This wasn’t ordinarily done or allowed, as knowledge of resistance units or friendlies would be tortured out of a POW if re-captured.

He kept at it, eventually garnering an audience with the man himself, General Eisenhower.

Ike said something like “I just wanted to actually meet the guy who can go back home to the states but refuses”. Yeager was authorized to go back to his unit and fly more combat missions. Quite the guy.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 29, 2026 11:44 PM (FihSa)

294
Vas?

Posted by: Baron Von Steuben
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My apologies, I should have known that you were a Prussian.
Conflicts


War of the Austrian Succession
Siege of Prague
Seven Years' War
Siege of Prague
Battle of Kunersdorf
Siege of Kolberg
Siege of Schweidnitz
American Revolutionary War
Valley Forge
Battle of Monmouth
Battle of Blandford
Siege of Yorktown

Awards Cross of the Order of De la Fidelite

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:44 PM (UsddL)

295 I used to put my American flag postage stamps on envelopes upside down as a silent protest during the Obama years....Biden years too but hardly mail anything by then.
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK's Phone)
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Horde mind. Did the same here, ARiK.

Posted by: scampydog - Steve McQueen Style at June 29, 2026 11:45 PM (41CYW)

296

See Joan Collins in Land of the Pharaohs

www.imdb.com/title/tt0048283

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 29, 2026 11:45 PM (Cqx++)

297
George Springer rounds the bases on a little-league home run against - who else? - the Mets.

https://youtu.be/ke9qHl1NopI

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 11:45 PM (O0L8i)

298 Ike said something like “I just wanted to actually meet the guy who can go back home to the states but refuses”. Yeager was authorized to go back to his unit and fly more combat missions. Quite the guy.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 29, 2026 11:44 PM (FihSa)

Yeager was an SOB, but he was our SOB.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 29, 2026 11:46 PM (bl07w)

299 One guy was deaf and in the john when the raid took place and emerged from the latrine to find an empty camp. I think some Filipino guerrillas still there found him and got him to the escape caravan.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:40 PM (U/Byj)

Might have been. It was a movie, so I'm sure liberties were taken with the facts.

Posted by: Baron Von Steuben at June 29, 2026 11:46 PM (1Ff7Z)

300 "Land of the Pharaohs" (1955) added to my list, thanks!
ok.ru/video/6691606301211

Posted by: gp at June 29, 2026 11:48 PM (Jr5Lq)

301 Hadrian

RE: Portugal and the Azores:

The U.S.made Portugal an offer it couldn't refuse: allow us to put military bases in the Azores, or else will take the Azores by force. If Portugal makes us go to all that trouble... say goodby to the Azores forever.

Germany didn't protest too much about the Azores, because Portugal was the source of Germany's wolfram, which was used to harden steel. That's what Germany cared about, not the Azores.

By the time Portugal permitted the U.S. to put airbases in the Azores, the Azores were the least of Germany's problems.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:49 PM (RCjYY)

302 Went to school with a girl whose dad was blonde, blue eyed, read, wrote and spoke high German. He was captured 3 times. He would kill a guard and put on his uniform. Worked his way up to an officer's uniform then command a driver to take him to the front where he crossed the lines and went back to work.
Nice guy, don't touch his daughter.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:49 PM (UsddL)

303 Lt. Karl Timmermann was the first American officer across the Ludendorff Bridge at Remagen.

He was born in Germany in 1922, his father had served in the American expeditionary Force in the Great War. After the armistice he went AWOL and shacked up with a German girl. The whole family would return to the father's rural hometown but for his whole short life Karl had to live under the cloud of his father's actions. Karl would die in 1951.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:49 PM (2GVsD)

304 Montmorency Falls! I had a database conference in Montreal last year, and my wife was so jealous I brought her along. He took a bus to Quebec City that stopped at the falls long enough to hike to the top.

Posted by: frammish at June 29, 2026 11:49 PM (rcENI)

305 Whatever I said about Cabanatuan was from the book "The Great Raid" by Breuer (as modified by my memory and/or brain damage). Not the movie. Though the deputy commander of the raiders (IIRC) was an adviser on the movie.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2026 11:50 PM (U/Byj)

306 There’s some strange story behind an obvious Asian POW captured during the D-Day landings.

The story goes he was a Korean captured by the Japanese and ended up fighting for the Nazis or some whacked out scenario like that. Poor SOB.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 29, 2026 11:50 PM (FihSa)

307 126 94

Nazi Germany, like the Confederacy, had problems feeding and housing POWs decently-- while losing an existential war.

Returned U.S. POWs usually said their biggest problem had been boredom, however. (Returned from Germany and Italy, that is... NOT from the Japanese accommodations).
Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 10:40 PM (RCjYY)

Early in my career I worked for a guy who was a bomber pilot in WWII. He was shot down over Germany, bailed out and was picked up by a German patrol the minute he hit the ground. He said they were very professional. Relieved him of a few items (watch, cigarettes, etc), took him straight to a Doctor to treat a nasty cut on his head he got bailing out of the plane, then a brief interrogation and off to a POW camp. He said it was stark but not deprivation, just boring.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK's Phone) at June 29, 2026 11:51 PM (QGaXH)

308 Joan Collins was a pretty woman. A naturally pretty woman.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3a8Seh3Cp4


Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:53 PM (UsddL)

309 If you were a Terrorflieger and had to bail out after a raid in Germany, then you prayed the military, even the SS, would get to you first. Because it was like 50/50 the German civilians and police would lynch you on the spot.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 11:54 PM (2GVsD)

310
And now the Dutch go home.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 11:54 PM (O0L8i)

311 Morocco moves on. Won on penalty kicks.

Posted by: scampydog - Steve McQueen Style at June 29, 2026 11:54 PM (41CYW)

312 291

Thanks. I either never knew his name, or else I forgot it.

Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:54 PM (RCjYY)

313 280 The folks trying to get out of Casablanca sought transit through Lisbon, where refugees fleeing Nazi-occupied Europe were able to find ready transport out. That was one historical detail that the movie got right: Salazar’s Portugal was very sympathetic to the Allied cause.

Posted by: Bulg at June 29, 2026 11:57 PM (77rzZ)

314 I have photocopies, archived at the East Riding Archives, of letters penned by my ancients. The content is interesting, and the handwriting remarkable.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2026 11:57 PM (XeU6L)

315 He went to a lot of trouble just to die.
Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:40 PM (RCjYY)

If that wasn't a Raylin Givens line in "Justified", it should have been.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 29, 2026 11:57 PM (ntqEh)

316
No more AC for you, Dutchies.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 11:58 PM (O0L8i)

317
Maybe we could send them and the Germans Care packages with barbecue and jerky.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 11:59 PM (O0L8i)

318 Bulg, thanks, got it. Good point.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2026 12:00 AM (U/Byj)

319 It depended on the location, and stage of the war.

The locals often would kill you with a pitchfork. Getting picked up by the local Polizei might have been a reprieve from getting beaten to death. After all you just got done dropping bombs on them. But the Gestapo interrogators were assholes, and they had very good intelligence, the bastards. Your home address, family members, all sorts of things.

One of my customers was Loren Darling, a waist-gunner on a B-17 piloted by “Rosy” Rosenthal, another guy they broke the mold after they made him. His plane and crew were the only ones that made it back after a mission, albeit all shot to hell.

Mr. Darling always had a huge smile on his face whenever I talked to him. Always. Really nice guy. I knew he was a B-17 guy during the war, but I wish I would have spent more time with him.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 30, 2026 12:00 AM (FihSa)

320 Common Tater that's a true story. Korean, impressed into Japanese military service, is captured by the Soviets (presumably at Khalkin Gol, not sure). Ends up being impressed into Red Army service. Is captured by the Germans, who put him in some "osttruppen" unit ("volunteers" and people of varying motivations but limited military value mostly from eastern Europe) that ends up near Utah beach on D-Day. Captured by us. Thus endeth his service in 3 different armies in WWII.

One soldier said to a senior officer at Utah early in the operation, after his unit's interpreters couldn't talk to their prisoners due to limited German capability among them, "sir, just who are we fighting here?".



Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2026 12:03 AM (U/Byj)

321
Hot damn, I docked it.

Got the tip right in the hole, steady as she goes. Slow and easy.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at June 30, 2026 12:04 AM (w6EFb)

322 321 Well done!

Posted by: gp at June 30, 2026 12:04 AM (Jr5Lq)

323 280

Casablanca is one of the best films ever made, imo.

However, historical accuracy was not it's strong suit.

The story goes that when the historical inaccuracies, & things that just plain didn't make any sense, were pointed out to director Michael Curtiz, he replied, "Don't vorry. I make it go so fast, nobody notice."

Posted by: mnw at June 30, 2026 12:04 AM (RCjYY)

324 317
Maybe we could send them and the Germans Care packages with barbecue and jerky.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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If it could get past customs it would be insidious.
Random acts of food.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 30, 2026 12:05 AM (UsddL)

325 Yeager, of all people, was an avid Backpacker. He liked to take long hikes into the Sierra lakes and go fishing for a week or two.

He would have Air Force planes airdrop supplies in. RHIP, I guess. Good training, too. His buds pulled a fast one on him, in lieu of the customary steaks, one time they dropped a load of frozen fish-sticks. He got pretty irate about that, because they had already had all the fresh fish they could eat, and the airdropped canister had fallen into an almost inaccessible location.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 30, 2026 12:06 AM (FihSa)

326 There were two endings filmed to "Casablanca", the one we know was used after some test screenings - I think.

Did the other one survive, such that we can watch it?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2026 12:07 AM (U/Byj)

327 Hot damn, I docked it.

Got the tip right in the hole, steady as she goes. Slow and easy.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at June 30, 2026 12:04 AM (w6EFb)

You have, how you say, made Paolo very proud.

Posted by: The Paolo at June 30, 2026 12:07 AM (1Ff7Z)

328 No letters of transit?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 30, 2026 12:09 AM (Cqx++)

329 Just getting here, but a hell of an ONT, scampydog, I guess it is simply speaking my language tonight. I am so old that most of my really young pictures are in black and white.

Cheers Horde!

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at June 30, 2026 12:09 AM (ibDUx)

330 138
I'd like to see a book on German POWs in the US during WWII. An interesting story. Seems the early prisoners were ordinary schlubs who were no problem, but when the SS guys came over things got more tense.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2026 10:43 PM (O0L8i)

I've seen a video on the tube of ewes that alleges the Japanese POWs freaked out because their first meal was white rice- which was usually what was fed to condemned prisoners in Japan.

As with everything like that on the net of inters I wonder if it's true.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK's Phone) at June 30, 2026 12:10 AM (QGaXH)

331 Suppertime

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 30, 2026 12:10 AM (UsddL)

332 The story goes that when the historical inaccuracies, & things that just plain didn't make any sense, were pointed out to director Michael Curtiz, he replied, "Don't vorry. I make it go so fast, nobody notice."
Posted by: mnw at June 30, 2026 12:04 AM (RCjYY)

When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.

(rips up story)

Posted by: Maxwell Scott at June 30, 2026 12:10 AM (1Ff7Z)

333 Historically speaking, Casablanca is worthless, But, like Shakespeare’s “histories,” it doesn’t matter. The story is what matters.

Posted by: Bulg at June 30, 2026 12:10 AM (77rzZ)

334 UW travelers from N.E.W. (North East Wisconsin) to Madison are still processing the tornadic-collapse of the Culvers Barn (https://tinyurl.com/muxmevy7) on 10.

Posted by: techsan at June 30, 2026 12:10 AM (uNveu)

335 Went to school with a girl whose dad was blonde, blue eyed, read, wrote and spoke high German. He was captured 3 times. He would kill a guard and put on his uniform. Worked his way up to an officer's uniform then command a driver to take him to the front where he crossed the lines and went back to work.
Nice guy, don't touch his daughter.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 29, 2026 11:49 PM (UsddL)

I went to school with a chick who wanted my ass in the worst way. She was cute, with serious bazooka boobs. They were neighbors with a kid I went to school with, and I would see this chick's father outside. Occasionally he would say things to me from his driveway. I swear he was SS, thick german accent, cold eyes that would bore through you. The neighbor on the other side was also a kid I went to school with, and at the last high school reunion he said "dude, he was a creepy nazi!!". Needless to say I didn't go near his daughter. I found out recently she never married. Now there's a surprise.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 30, 2026 12:11 AM (snZF9)

336 326

I never heard anything about two different endings. Possible, I guess.

I read a short biography of Michael Curtiz, the director, & I don't recall any mention of that. Perhaps the 2 different endings were in the screenplay, as alternatives, but only the one we knew ever got filmed.

Posted by: mnw at June 30, 2026 12:11 AM (RCjYY)

337 Just getting here, but a hell of an ONT, scampydog, I guess it is simply speaking my language tonight. I am so old that most of my really young pictures are in black and white.

Cheers Horde!
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at June 30, 2026 12:09 AM (ibDUx)

Like many of us, we didn't have color then....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 30, 2026 12:11 AM (1Ff7Z)

338
315 He went to a lot of trouble just to die.
Posted by: mnw at June 29, 2026 11:40 PM (RCjYY)

If that wasn't a Raylin Givens line in "Justified", it should have been.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 29, 2026 11:57 PM (ntqEh)

Reminds me of The Outlaw Josey Wales.
Wales : “ you some kind of bounty hunter!”
Gunman: “a man’s got to make a living.”
Wales: “Dyin’ ain’t much of a living.”

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 30, 2026 12:12 AM (orF8y)

339 Oyasumi

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2026 12:12 AM (2GVsD)

340 320 What’s the Korean dude’s name?

Posted by: Bulg at June 30, 2026 12:13 AM (77rzZ)

341 OrangeEnt, Cabanatuan?
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See also:
Rescue at Los Baños: The Most Daring Prison Camp Raid of World War II.

A good friend of mine was an Alamo Scout and participated.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2026 12:13 AM (XeU6L)

342 A couple Kraut POWs managed to escape briefly from a camp in Arizona or someplace like that. But the maps they had weren’t particularly accurate, or at least the “river” named they were following was dry as a bone and they didn’t get too far.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 30, 2026 12:15 AM (FihSa)

343
This is how you do it: When you start out, get your Y and Z translational position dead on center. Don't worry about your attitude angles. Piddle around with that, slow and steady, not too much thrust either way. Get it dead on zero and holding steady.

Now, adjust your attitude. Pitch, roll, and yaw. Get them zeroed and steady. Make sure they're holding and as close to zero as you can.

Check Y and Z translation, make sure it's holding zero. So now, we've got our tip, our probe, our shaft lined up straight with the waiting ISS hole.

Now, we thrust along X and start moving in. Attitude held the whole way with me, but I had to keep bumping the Y and Z translation. Keep your closing speed to about 0.2 m/s, roughly. Too fast and you can't adjust the Y and Z fast enough.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at June 30, 2026 12:15 AM (w6EFb)

344 Hadrian I know I've seen titles for such books (POW experience in the US) but never wrote them down. Like I said above, a good start are the various videos on UToob. The one about Concordia is good and pretty representative I think.

Hard cases were segregated by the US as they revealed themselves and concentrated in a few camps. Most prisoners were pretty apolitical and of course the safety, food, reasonable work, amenities, and friendly locals made most of them pretty good citizens, er, prisoners.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2026 12:15 AM (U/Byj)

345 A good friend of mine was an Alamo Scout and participated.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2026 12:13 AM (XeU6L)

Pretty good record they had.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 30, 2026 12:16 AM (1Ff7Z)

346 328

The "letters of transit" were a film concept that must be overlooked, because close scrutiny would be fatal.

Posted by: mnw at June 30, 2026 12:16 AM (RCjYY)

347 340 320 What’s the Korean dude’s name?
Posted by: Bulg at June 30, 2026 12:13 AM (77rzZ)

Yang Kyoungjong.

Posted by: Reforger at June 30, 2026 12:16 AM (0dsIZ)

348 The amazing thing about Casablanca is that they started shooting with only a partial script and a few ideas. They wrote the movie as it was filmed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 30, 2026 12:16 AM (orF8y)

349 Maybe we could send them and the Germans Care packages with barbecue and jerky.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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If you've never read it, 'The Candy Bombers: The Untold Story of the Berlin Airlift and America's Finest Hour'

https://shorturl.at/ecHw4

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2026 12:17 AM (XeU6L)

350 Humans may be fascinated by cubes, but only one animal poops them: the bare-nosed wombat. This furry Australian marsupial squeezes out nearly 100 six-sided turds every day—an ability that has long mystified scientists. Now, researchers say they have uncovered how the wombat intestine creates this exceptional excrement.

Obviously, they poop cubes because they're still 8-bit animals who never got an upgrade to 16-bit, much less 32 or 64.

Posted by: mikeski at June 30, 2026 12:19 AM (VHUov)

351 150 WLOX TV-13 Biloxi, MS on German POWs in Mississippi

https://youtu.be/YVyT0jPemVk

35-minute video on German POWs in Mississippi

https://youtu.be/y8Dt7aj1pkI
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 29, 2026 10:48 PM (2GVsD)

My dad was discharged in Mississippi. He told a story of some German POW officer taking inventory of what he and his buddies were 'supposed' to have been issued:

Watches? Dad: "Nobody gave us any watches..."

This.,,that.. ? Same answer...don't got....

German in increasingly tense voice: Bullets? X number of rounds...?? Where are they?

My dad: they're in your friends a**es back in Germany....

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK's Phone) at June 30, 2026 12:20 AM (QGaXH)

352 347. Thanks, Reforger!

Posted by: Bulg at June 30, 2026 12:20 AM (77rzZ)

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