Gun Thread: Pre-NoVAMoMe Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be the Pre-NoVAMoMe Edition? Time to rush your NoVAMoMe plans to completion!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Fundamentals of MoMe'n, that is.

*SIGH*

Why, people? Why?

Why must I beg, badger and cajole you each year to come to the NoVAMoMe and have a good time? I don't get it. It sometimes seems like I am trying to convince you to slam your fingers in a car door, or to set your hair on fire or stab yourself in the eye with a pencil. It's fun to come hang out with your online pals at a MoMe, and there just so happens to be a NoVAMoMe this coming Saturday, June 20th, and you are invited!

It's fun! I swear! Other people swear too! Lots of other people! It's also totally low-key and really only a little bit of a cult. If you want to come and pretend like you don't know anyone and would frankly never in a thousand years associate with any of the other attendees, that's fine! So, fence-sitter scaredy-cats, it's time to make a decision. If you have previously emailed for info but not let us know you're coming, please drop a note to everyone's pal bluebell.

Turn on the volume to hear Gertie politely encourage your attendance. She also said some stuff about curved space-time and gravitational effects in four dimensional Minkowski space, but I forgot to hit record for that part.

If you have no idea what I am talking about, there are details below. If you have been to a MoMe before, any MoMe at all, please comment and let the scaredy-cats know it's safe, and for what must be the gazillionth time, email WeaselBell Productions today!

Special update!

Oh! I totally forgot to mention that a few of us will be at the secret NoVAMoMe location Friday afternoon/early evening if you're in town and want to stop by and visit before the main event Saturday.

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Spotting Scopes

When shooting a rifle at longer distances, a spotting scope is essential. Below is my long-range setup before a match in Phoenix. Note the spotting scope setup next to the rifle scope so I can look through it with a very slight tilt of my head to the left. The wide angle of view is essential for observing range conditions.

As with most things you get what you pay for. My spotting scope is a Kowa TSN-82SV with a fixed 25x eyepiece (sold separately). The large 82mm objective lens lets in a ton of light, has excellent glass, and gives a wide and distortion-free view of what is going on downrange and at the target.

How do you choose a spotting scope? Well your budget is certainly a consideration. Here's a look at how some popular models stack up, and some ideas of things to look for when comparing models.

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Bluing a Colt Python

Nice.

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Starrett Tools

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Our Pal Living Stereo!

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NoVaMoMe 2026

What - you thought there wasn't going to be a NoVaMoMe in 2026?

Note: One of the great joys of NoVAMoMe season, at least for me, is being able to cut and paste the entire block of text below and haranguing you to attend the event. Are you attending? Are you focusing on the fundamentals of attending?

Alright, guys and gals, the long awaited and highly anticipated details of the 2026 NoVAMoMe are here! That's right, I finally got my act together and updated the information page for 2026, and need to go over a few details. First, the date is June 20th, 2026 from 11am to 3pm. Nextly, my bestest blog buddy bluebell and I have decided 2026 will continue the longstanding tradition of NoVAMoMe simplification, and want to pass along the changes from prior years.

First, no registration and no advance charge for food. If you would like to attend, send an email to WeaselBell Productions, and let us know. You will be directed to a sekrit webpage with all of the details. We do ask once you have decided to attend to let us know so we can coordinate an expected count with venue management. Once there if you are hungry or thirsty simply order from the onsite menu and pay separately. Cash and credit cards accepted. Next, although fun, we have decided to again take a break from the raffles and mug sales this year. Depending on how it goes, that may be something we bring back in future years. While your generosity is always appreciated, with no prize table, please leave donations and contributions at home, but bring your appetite for a great afternoon spent with your imaginary online friends.

Next, a NoVAMoMe PSA from our pal bluebell

Hi folks - just a quick PSA. If you write for info about the MoMe, please give us a few words in the body of the email just so I know you are a Moron and not a spammer (moron). I do receive spam on this email account because it's sitting right here in my nic, so that's why I'm asking. I don't want to give our details to a spammer. Also, remember to check your spam folder if you don't receive a reply email.
Thanks.
bluebell

Seriously, just send an email then go to the website with the password provided. If you forget, a link to the email is on the main page, left sidebar. If you do not sign up, bluebell will be disappointed. Weasel will be disappointed, too, but it's bluebell you need to worry about.

That's it, people. Don't be a dork. Email WeaselBell Productions today!

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Highway Patrol!

This week's episode: Gambling Story

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Earth vs The Spider!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo
Lucky Gunner Ammo NEW!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

2 How can I add bourbon to my pecan pie

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2026 07:00 PM (LHPAg)

3 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2026 07:00 PM (Ia/+0)

4 Today Is U.S. Army Birthday....and Bourbon Day! Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2026 07:02 PM (LHPAg)

5 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at June 14, 2026 07:03 PM (BCwQW)

6 A gracious good evening!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 14, 2026 07:03 PM (ZVgZ4)

7 How can I add bourbon to my pecan pie
Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2026 07:00 PM (LHPAg)

Pour a couple of fingers and sip between bites of pie?

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 14, 2026 07:04 PM (ZVgZ4)

8 First dog has the fundamentals. Right, Weasel? Is this a training toy for FSJ and Gertie?

https://youtube.com/shorts/QZqZnOdDhfY

Also, to bridge the Food and Gun threads:

https://tinyurl.com/bdhste42+

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 14, 2026 07:05 PM (qx7Zg)

9 How can I add bourbon to my pecan pie
Posted by: Eromero

As a chaser?

Posted by: Kratwurst at June 14, 2026 07:05 PM (9gKa/)

10 Good evening shooting people!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 14, 2026 07:05 PM (2WIwB)

11 Today Is U.S. Army Birthday....and Bourbon Day! Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.
Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2026 07:02 PM

Also Flag Day and Donnie "Two Terms" Trump's birthday.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)

12 How can I add bourbon to my pecan pie
Posted by: Eromero
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Is that a serious question? I should think the question would be how can I not add bourrboon to your pecan pie!!!!

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 07:05 PM (IQ6Gq)

13 Howdy Weasel! Just under 136 hours until you get to see me. You've waited long enough!

Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2026 07:05 PM (QMAsf)

14 Birthday of the US Army and Devil's Brigade whiskey for this evening.
Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at June 14, 2026 07:06 PM (+iIfu)

15 Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2026 07:05 PM (QMAsf)
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Glad to hear you'll make it! Maybe we should synchronize our watches or something.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 07:07 PM (PVV5z)

16 A big shout out and Happy Birthday to the U.S. Army!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 14, 2026 07:07 PM (2WIwB)

17 Today Is U.S. Army Birthday....and Bourbon Day! Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.
Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2026 07:02 PM

Also Flag Day and Donnie "Two Terms" Trump's birthday.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)

Ya gotta just LOVE America!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 14, 2026 07:09 PM (2WIwB)

18 Not 1st!!!!!!

Not 10th!!!!!!

Happy Flag Day everyone!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 14, 2026 07:09 PM (LGZQv)

19 Scoob!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)

20 19 Scoob!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:10 PM

RMBS!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 14, 2026 07:10 PM (LGZQv)

21 Glad to hear you'll make it! Maybe we should synchronize our watches or something.
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 07:07 PM (PVV5z)

Good idea! Looking forward to seeing you and enjoying some stogies with you.

Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2026 07:11 PM (QMAsf)

22 Howdy!

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at June 14, 2026 07:11 PM (sAmhv)

23 No NoVAMoMe for Me this year, but maybe next year, maybe.

No excuses for any of You People within an 8-hour drive though!!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 14, 2026 07:11 PM (R+iUD)

24 Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2026 07:05 PM (QMAsf)
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Glad to hear you'll make it! Maybe we should synchronize our watches or something.
Posted by: Weasel
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Maybe you could use atomic time....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 07:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

25 Good evening to all of you GunHorde denizens. No shooting - just work and veggie garden.

Have a great week all and thank you to Weasel for hosting this group.

Posted by: Coelacanth at June 14, 2026 07:14 PM (eD91D)

26 We can't go to the MoMe for medical reasons, dammit!! But I urge everyone to go. We've been to several and they are always a delight. You can find them by the pleasant conversations and the ongoing background sound of real laughter. And, seriously, a get together with kindred spirits is good for the soul, something you realize afterwards.

Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2026 07:14 PM (yTvNw)

27
Maybe you could use atomic time....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 07:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I do!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 07:14 PM (PVV5z)

28 Diogenes
The Cigar Pairing Parlor in Yakima finally got its restaurant license. The food looks good, the humidor is stocked and for those of you in need of suffering, their golf simulators are waiting.
Let me know and I'll introduce you to the place. Liquor license is still pending.

Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at June 14, 2026 07:15 PM (+iIfu)

29 Starrett makes good stuff. Among others, their automatic center punch is head-and-shoulders above any others I've used.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2026 07:16 PM (0sNs1)

30 Glad to hear you'll make it! Maybe we should synchronize our watches or something.
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 07:07 PM (PVV5z)

Good idea! Looking forward to seeing you and enjoying some stogies with you.
Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2026 07:11 PM

Ditto. Cigars will be brought to VA and smoked with you good people.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:16 PM (Wnv9h)

31 Those attending will get to meet the delightful bluebell who is taking a break from touring with Five Finger Death Punch just for the event!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 07:17 PM (PVV5z)

32 Turn on the volume to hear Gertie politely encourage your attendance.

While I don't speak Chi as fluently as I once did, I think "politely encourage" is a fine translation, depending on your definition of "politely encourage".

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2026 07:18 PM (0sNs1)

33 Per Weasel's instructions --

I more all Hordelings who are close enough to get thine hind quarters to the MoMe!! You can even lurk behind a flowerpot if you want. But I also promise a drink or 2 for any first timer who shows up. C'mon - this is a great time!!!

Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2026 07:19 PM (QMAsf)

34 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special pre-NoVAMoMe greeting to our host Weasel. Sadly, can't make it again this year, but I'm locked in for Corsicana.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 14, 2026 07:19 PM (xVpNO)

35 No excuses for any of You People within an 8-hour drive though!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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I work weekends and I'm in the area. Just got off some leave so this MoMe isn't happening. Under staffed at work. Sunday is available for possible boom stick action.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at June 14, 2026 07:20 PM (sAmhv)

36 Starrett makes good stuff. Among others, their automatic center punch is head-and-shoulders above any others I've used.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2026 07:16 PM (0sNs1)
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I also like Mitutoyo and Browne & Sharpe.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 07:21 PM (PVV5z)

37 Those attending will get to meet the delightful bluebell who is taking a break from touring with Five Finger Death Punch just for the event!
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 07:17 PM

For those who have never met the delightful bluebell, do not ask the number or location of the shivs secreted about her person.

You may, however, ask her about her 'black muscle-car donut-burning' period, and in particular, about the donut she burned in the AoSHQ Corporate Headquarters parking lot.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2026 07:21 PM (0sNs1)

38 I don't know why you wouldn't go to the NoVA MoMe, in fact I don't know why you wouldn't go to any MoMe....same people you "converse with" in the gray boxes, only much easier...it's fun, relaxing, offers food and beverage, and conversation and laughs with similar thinking people. Come on out, you'll even get to chat with Doof, and you know how long it's been since you've done that!

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 07:23 PM (IQ6Gq)

39 Diogenes
The Cigar Pairing Parlor in Yakima finally got its restaurant license. The food looks good, the humidor is stocked and for those of you in need of suffering, their golf simulators are waiting.
Let me know and I'll introduce you to the place. Liquor license is still pending.
Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at June 14, 2026 07:15 PM (+iIfu)

Awesome!
I just checked the menu. The sammies look excellent.
One day I will haul myself up 410 and across the pass.
I might even tell nurse.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 14, 2026 07:23 PM (2WIwB)

40 Peace in our time.

The White House
@WhiteHouse
“The Deal with Islamic Republic of Iran is now complete. Congratulations to all!” President Donald J. Trump

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and His All White Jury! at June 14, 2026 07:23 PM (ndZc7)

41 30 Ditto. Cigars will be brought to VA and smoked with you good people.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:16 PM

**cough** **cough** **cough**

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 14, 2026 07:23 PM (LGZQv)

42 I don't know why you wouldn't go to the NoVA MoMe, in fact I don't know why you wouldn't go to any MoMe....same people you "converse with" in the gray boxes, only much easier...it's fun, relaxing, offers food and beverage, and conversation and laughs with similar thinking people. Come on out, you'll even get to chat with Doof, and you know how long it's been since you've done that!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 07:23 PM (IQ6Gq)

One reason. I'm in a wheelchair and cannot travel.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 14, 2026 07:26 PM (qx7Zg)

43 Saw a 3 paddle ground target on a YouTube short. Every hit the next paddle would change left or right.
Tried to save it but it isn't working.

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2026 07:26 PM (Ia/+0)

44 Sunday is available for possible boom stick action.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come
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I hope you are able to make it, would love to chat with you in person.

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 07:26 PM (IQ6Gq)

45 Ditto. Cigars will be brought to VA and smoked with you good people.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:16 PM

**cough** **cough** **cough**
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 14, 2026 07:23 PM

Weasel, we're going to need a Man Card ruling on this.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:27 PM (Wnv9h)

46 26 hours is my pool pick for Iran to break the treaty

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2026 07:27 PM (Ia/+0)

47 Weasel, we're going to need a Man Card ruling on this.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:27 PM (Wnv9h)
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I think we all know the answer.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 07:29 PM (PVV5z)

48 OK. Late. But I am castaway on a small island. We barely have electricity, let alone internet.
But we have Gertie and spotting scopes. Thx, Weasel!

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2026 07:29 PM (rYvai)

49 I think Iran starts blowing stuff up in about 2, maybe 3 hours.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 14, 2026 07:29 PM (qx7Zg)

50 Been enjoying some bourbons these last few nights, and was going to return to Scotch tonight, but now knowing it's National Bourbon Day, bourbon it is! And a toast to the Army on its birthday, from an old Navy guy. Looking forward to Saturday!

Posted by: Patches at June 14, 2026 07:30 PM (338iJ)

51 Spotting scopes...what a very timely topic....thanks for the information, as I predict it will be used in the near future....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 07:31 PM (IQ6Gq)

52 As it is the intersection of many great anniversaries today, I'll have to pour a bourbon to toast the Army, the flag, and the CinC. Brb...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:32 PM (Wnv9h)

53 Sra blaster and I will be in attendance. This may be our last. We are working towards exiting Northern Virginia by the end of the year.

Stupid commies

Blaster acres is in the free state of Florida.

Posted by: blaster at June 14, 2026 07:32 PM (8NhC4)

54 47 Weasel, we're going to need a Man Card ruling on this.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:27 PM (Wnv9h)
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I think we all know the answer.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 07:29 PM

Yes, the person who has the fortitude to resist peer pressure is definitely manly. Doubly so if they shoot .45 :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 14, 2026 07:33 PM (LGZQv)

55 I posted about spitting scopes after the Tx MoMe.

We spent what i thought was a lot of money on a spotting scope (about $400 iirc). 80mm objective. Spent money on a good tripod too.

They are good for spotting.

But. The scopes weasel and the like are using are an entirely different level. Order of magnitude higher price. $3k plus. But they are also significantly better. Are they 10x better? I don't know but you could see whether you hit the thousand through those scopes. Ours? Kinda. Looks like we hit it.

I will say if RI Red had not been spotting - between his skill and that much better optic - we wouldn't have hit the 1000.

Posted by: blaster at June 14, 2026 07:38 PM (8NhC4)

56 Hi weasel!
Hi gang!

Thanks for the thread.

Range report

Did some .380 firing and was not great, but hit the target not really using sights and low ready as fast as I could.

Colt .380 is my console pistol, so I would be firing one handed through a window opening quickly. Otherwise, I’m driving around through or over the aggressor.

Ruger Mark IV plinking was very satisfying. Small groups at 10 yards. Easy peasy.

Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 14, 2026 07:41 PM (DMpo1)

57
This is a special bulletin.

*long pause*
*faint static*

I have nothing useful to contribute.

This has been a special bulletin. We return you to the previously programmed light raillery.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 14, 2026 07:41 PM (O0L8i)

58 Eromero, I once assisted at a cooking class for a chef making pecan pie from his own recipe. He looked at the amount of bourbon required and said "That can't be right!" and upended the bottle!

And that's a chef's professional opinion!

Posted by: Wenda at June 14, 2026 07:42 PM (UIfeN)

59 Blaster, you’re right. Order of magnitude is great, but for our non-expert level of shooting, not necessary for spotting.
Not that I wouldn’t love to have some super optics, but I’d rather spend limited funds on bullet-sending platforms!

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2026 07:44 PM (33fCl)

60 This is a special bulletin.

*long pause*
*faint static*

~~I have nothing useful to contribute.~~
The .41 Magnum is the pinnacle of handgun cartridge development.

This has been a special bulletin. We return you to the previously programmed light raillery.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 14, 2026 07:41 PM

FIFY. See? Easy-peasy!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2026 07:45 PM (0sNs1)

61 Ruger Mark IV plinking was very satisfying. Small groups at 10 yards. Easy peasy.
Posted by: nurse ratched

I've heard the Mark IV is MUCH easier to break down and clean? I have a Mark III 22/45 with a bull barrel, and the thing is ridiculously accurate. But it's a PITA to take apart and clean (and mostly to reassemble).

Posted by: Military Moron at June 14, 2026 07:46 PM (YFHwl)

62 Diogenes
That would be excellent. Nurse has a standing invite here.
It'd make a great day.

Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at June 14, 2026 07:48 PM (+iIfu)

63 I've heard the Mark IV is MUCH easier to break down and clean? I have a Mark III 22/45 with a bull barrel, and the thing is ridiculously accurate. But it's a PITA to take apart and clean (and mostly to reassemble).
Posted by: Military Moron at June 14, 2026

MM, I have one of those and, you’re right, it’s ridiculously accurate.
The key to reassembly is turning it upside down so that little lever (whatever it is) falls in place.

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2026 07:49 PM (33fCl)

64 Going to be an early evening. Have to go into the office tomorrow.
Hopefully the celebrations of the NBA final are cleaned up.

Thank you Weasel, look forward to seeing you and the others this Friday night and Saturday afternoon.

I will be bringing my .45 down for the Sunday get together of the DMV outing.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 14, 2026 07:51 PM (LGZQv)

65 Going to be an early evening. Have to go into the office tomorrow.
Hopefully the celebrations of the NBA final are cleaned up.

Thank you Weasel, look forward to seeing you and the others this Friday night and Saturday afternoon.

I will be bringing my .45 down for the Sunday get together of the DMV outing.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 14, 2026 07:51 PM

See you in NoVa, Scoob. I'll be bringing my .45 as well for shooty activities.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 07:54 PM (Wnv9h)

66 SO just watched a video on Pre WWII and US needed to see if we could build a machine gun. Browning had the gun, Ma Duce style.
Government sent it the Knudsen at GM to see if he could build 280 at firm fixed price.
He handed the gun to Saginaw (gears and steering) and the proceeded to make a copy.
Under the contract length they made 29,000 machines guns at somewhere near 1/20th the cost of the Browning.

My contribution to Gun Threads.

Posted by: r hennigantx at June 14, 2026 07:55 PM (/+uur)

67 29 Starrett makes good stuff. Among others, their automatic center punch is head-and-shoulders above any others I've used.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2026 07:16 PM (0sNs1)

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I am totally happy with my Starrett machinists level

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 14, 2026 07:57 PM (THY4u)

68 I have albums with the RCA "Living Stereo" graphics. A walk back through time.

Posted by: mrp at June 14, 2026 07:57 PM (rj6Yv)

69 Looking over what to bring on next Sunday, I'm thinking about dragging the following:

DeLisle Carbine reproduction (.45 ACP, integrally suppressed)
Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless (.32 ACP, made in 1922)
Walther PPK SD (.32 ACP) factory threaded barrel with suppressor. Unfortunately, the suppressor does block the sights.
Walther PPK (.32 ACP)
H&K CC9 (9mm)

All of the .32's are easy to handle and quite mild to shoot. The CC9 is H&K USA's entry into the micro-compact 9mm market.

Posted by: Ed L at June 14, 2026 07:58 PM (BCwQW)

70 I have nothing useful to contribute.

Dittoes. Extended unemployment can put a serious crimp on one's hobby participation.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 14, 2026 07:58 PM (iI90L)

71 Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: TRex - scope expert dino at June 14, 2026 07:59 PM (IQ6Gq)

72 I've heard the Mark IV is MUCH easier to break down and clean? I have a Mark III 22/45 with a bull barrel, and the thing is ridiculously accurate. But it's a PITA to take apart and clean (and mostly to reassemble).
Posted by: Military Moron at June 14, 2026 07:46 PM (YFHwl)

Yes, that was the rationale behind the design of the Mark IV.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 14, 2026 08:00 PM (rv0XX)

73 I've heard the Mark IV is MUCH easier to break down and clean? I have a Mark III 22/45 with a bull barrel, and the thing is ridiculously accurate. But it's a PITA to take apart and clean (and mostly to reassemble).
Posted by: Military Moron

I don’t have any experience with the Mark III, but mine is very easy to take apart and put back together. Even for me. And I have to clean every 500 rounds or so as .22 is cheap, but it’s also dirty.

Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 14, 2026 08:00 PM (A5RD0)

74 Posted by: TRex - scope expert dino at June 14, 2026 07:59 PM (IQ6Gq)
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You bet! See you Saturday!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 08:00 PM (1S3fY)

75 Ed L., is all your stuff still “legal” under VA’s new pronouncements?
If not, I can give them a nice loving home in NH.

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2026 08:03 PM (33fCl)

76 Pops and Diogenes,

It would be a hoot to see you guys and share a smoke. Of course, I’d hurl if I smoked more than 1/3 of a stick, but I love you both.

Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 14, 2026 08:03 PM (A5RD0)

77 I've heard the Mark IV is MUCH easier to break down and clean?

It's literally a button press to field strip. There are kits that make breakdown easier for the Mk 2 and 3 but I don't mess with it often enough to bother

Posted by: Oddbob at June 14, 2026 08:08 PM (lP/PB)

78 63 I have a Mark III 22/45 with a bull barrel, and the thing is ridiculously accurate.
Posted by: Military Moron

MM, I have one of those and, you’re right, it’s ridiculously accurate.
Posted by: RI Red

It's what I used many, many years ago for the first (only?) Ace of Spades "postal" style match. I can't find my submission, but I think I scored pretty well....maybe dropping 3 out of 50 shots from the 10 ring? Oh, I found it. Back in 2016! Wow...time flies. I got 47 in the X, and 3 in the 10 ring. Gun definitely does it's part...misses are all on me.

Posted by: Military Moron at June 14, 2026 08:08 PM (YFHwl)

79 Ed L., is all your stuff still “legal” under VA’s new pronouncements?
If not, I can give them a nice loving home in NH.
Posted by: RI Red
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Wow Red, you are so selflessly magnanimous.....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 08:09 PM (IQ6Gq)

80 Ed L., is all your stuff still “legal” under VA’s new pronouncements?
If not, I can give them a nice loving home in NH.
Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2026 08:03 PM (33fCl)

OK to have, but not to use.

Posted by: Ed L at June 14, 2026 08:09 PM (BCwQW)

81
It's what I used many, many years ago for the first (only?) Ace of Spades "postal" style match. I can't find my submission, but I think I scored pretty well....maybe dropping 3 out of 50 shots from the 10 ring? Oh, I found it. Back in 2016! Wow...time flies. I got 47 in the X, and 3 in the 10 ring. Gun definitely does it's part...misses are all on me.
Posted by: Military Moron at June 14, 2026 08:08 PM (YFHwl)
Mrs. E used a KelTec PMR 30. The legendary Jim Sunk New Dawn scored that one and only match. Mrs. E did very well.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2026 08:14 PM (LHPAg)

82 Evenin' gun nuts. I'm sad to say I can't be at the NoVaMoMe again this year. I had planned to go, but I just have too many problems in the crawl space right now. No doubt this hurts me more than it hurts you. Wait, isn't that what our parents used to say when they spanked us?

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:16 PM (lOlUK)

83 Evenin' gun nuts. I'm sad to say I can't be at the NoVaMoMe again this year. I had planned to go, but I just have too many problems in the crawl space right now. No doubt this hurts me more than it hurts you. Wait, isn't that what our parents used to say when they spanked us?
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:16 PM (lOlUK)

You will be missed, SiD!

Posted by: Ed L at June 14, 2026 08:17 PM (BCwQW)

84 Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:16 PM (lOlUK)
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Sorry you won't be able to make it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 08:18 PM (pQ7Rb)

85 81
My advice is do not mess with either Mr or Mrs E!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 14, 2026 08:19 PM (1o1ut)

86 Evenin' gun nuts. I'm sad to say I can't be at the NoVaMoMe again this year. I had planned to go, but I just have too many problems in the crawl space right now. No doubt this hurts me more than it hurts you. Wait, isn't that what our parents used to say when they spanked us?
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Yes it is what our parents said, and yes it does hurt us too. But hopefully you will be able to make it to Corsicana. And hopefully you will be able to rid your crawl space issues....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 08:19 PM (IQ6Gq)

87 82 I just have too many problems in the crawl space right now.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:16 PM
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I'm going to use this at work this week.

"I'd love to help you, but I just have too many problems in the crawl space right now."

Posted by: TRex - dilbert dino at June 14, 2026 08:20 PM (IQ6Gq)

88 I was going to exercise and start eating better, but I have too many problems in the crawl space right now.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 08:21 PM (pQ7Rb)

89 Evenin' gun nuts. I'm sad to say I can't be at the NoVaMoMe again this year. I had planned to go, but I just have too many problems in the crawl space right now. No doubt this hurts me more than it hurts you. Wait, isn't that what our parents used to say when they spanked us?
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:16 PM

You will be missed. Hopefully we'll see you in TX.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 08:23 PM (Wnv9h)

90 I'm going to use this at work this week.

"I'd love to help you, but I just have too many problems in the crawl space right now."

"The hobos keep getting out and the HOA is threatening to fine me for it."

Posted by: Oddbob at June 14, 2026 08:24 PM (lP/PB)

91 Sid, I was so looking forward to seeing you, but I u derstand how life can sometimes get in the way.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2026 08:24 PM (kJmSS)

92 I was going to get a haircut and a manicure, but I have too many problems in the crawlspace right now.

Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 14, 2026 08:26 PM (A5RD0)

93 "The hobos keep getting out and the HOA is threatening to fine me for it."
Posted by: Oddbob at June 14, 2026 08:24 PM (lP/PB)
Put in basement or septic tank.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2026 08:28 PM (LHPAg)

94 I'm going to use this at work this week.

"I'd love to help you, but I just have too many problems in the crawl space right now."
Posted by: TRex
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Heh. Glad to be of assistance.

'a snake in the ductwork' sounds a bit dirty but it was literal this time.

(It's no longer there, but revealed that I can no longer put off replacing the ductwork)

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:28 PM (lOlUK)

95 Good evening all
So I ordered a holster for my G48. I was so excited, stuck the gun in the holster and then couldn't get it out. Even rad the directions which were no help. Finally got it out but thought, I'd be dead. It is a DeSantis. It felt really heavy in my pocket. Beginning to think I need use a different method to carry or again think about a lighter gun.
I had no trouble drawing Sra Buster's Kimber CDs9 from her holster so thought this would be a piece of cake. But...
Any advice?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2026 08:29 PM (kJmSS)

96 Ed, Sharon, Weasel, Grateful, RMBS, et al., I so wanted to see everybody this time and I am sorry to miss it. Corsicana is on the calendar, and I hope things will be less bonkers by then.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:30 PM (lOlUK)

97 I was going to get a haircut and a manicure, but I have too many problems in the crawlspace right now.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 14, 2026 08:26 PM (A5RD0)

screaming in digital just gave the horde an awesome new toy to play with. Yay.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I've got friends in crawl spaces at June 14, 2026 08:31 PM (0aYVJ)

98 I'm going to use this at work this week.

"I'd love to help you, but I just have too many problems in the crawl space right now."
Posted by: TRex - dilbert dino at June 14, 2026 08:20 PM (IQ6Gq)

Dilbert Dino would use: "I'd love to help you, but my dog has stolen my flying saucer and is threatening to destroy a couple of countries with it."

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 14, 2026 08:31 PM (qx7Zg)

99 I was going to exercise and start eating better, but I have too many problems in the crawl space right now.

* writes down idea for a new song *

Posted by: Afroman at June 14, 2026 08:31 PM (lP/PB)

100 * writes down idea for a new song *
Posted by: Afroman at June 14, 2026 08:31 PM (lP/PB)
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Needs a funky bass line.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 08:32 PM (pQ7Rb)

101
'a snake in the ductwork' sounds a bit dirty but it was literal this time.

(It's no longer there, but revealed that I can no longer put off replacing the ductwork)
Posted by: screaming in digital

Get a pet mongoose.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 14, 2026 08:33 PM (Cqx++)

102 Sharon,
This is why I have a box of holsters. You have to try more than a couple for the crawlspace the be clear.

Posted by: nurse ratched. at June 14, 2026 08:35 PM (A5RD0)

103 I got 99 problems but a snake ain't one...

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:36 PM (lOlUK)

104 Oh! I totally forgot to mention that a few of us will be at the secret NoVAMoMe location Friday afternoon/early evening if you're in town and want to stop by and visit before the main event Saturday.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 08:36 PM (pQ7Rb)

105 OT, but Horde prayers, please. My sister has passed.

Posted by: Bulg at June 14, 2026 08:37 PM (77rzZ)

106 Sid, I was so looking forward to seeing you, but I u derstand how life can sometimes get in the way.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2026 08:24 PM (kJmSS)

See? They love me! They really do!

Posted by: totally not Sid the troll at June 14, 2026 08:38 PM (1z8ji)

107 Those attending will get to meet the delightful bluebell who is taking a break from touring with Five Finger Death Punch just for the event!
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 07:17 PM (PVV5z)
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That's right! Catch me before I head out with the Insane Clown Posse!

Posted by: bluebell at June 14, 2026 08:38 PM (afFes)

108 'a snake in the ductwork' sounds a bit dirty but it was literal this time.

(It's no longer there, but revealed that I can no longer put off replacing the ductwork)
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:28 PM

No step on snek.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2026 08:39 PM (0sNs1)

109 OT, but Horde prayers, please. My sister has passed.
Posted by: Bulg at June 14, 2026 08:37 PM (77rzZ)

Such reports are never welcome, but neither are they off-topic. Please accept my condolences.

Posted by: totally not Sid the troll at June 14, 2026 08:39 PM (1z8ji)

110 Fri pre-MoMe at secret location - Check!

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 08:40 PM (IQ6Gq)

111 Oh, Bulg.
I've thought of you so often, and how you and she have been given this gift at the end of her life.
Bless you.

Posted by: Wenda at June 14, 2026 08:40 PM (UIfeN)

112 Gee, how gauche on my part. Offering condolences with a smelly sock on.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 14, 2026 08:41 PM (1z8ji)

113 OT, but Horde prayers, please. My sister has passed.
Posted by: Bulg
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I'm so sorry to hear this. Prayers and hugs for you & yours as you grieve.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:41 PM (lOlUK)

114 Sid, what is the brand of the holster you have that looks like a belt bag?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2026 08:41 PM (kJmSS)

115 Bulg, I am sorry to hear about your sister. I hope it gives you comfort that you and she repaired your relationship earlier this year - that is huge. May she rest in peace.

Posted by: bluebell at June 14, 2026 08:41 PM (afFes)

116 It felt really heavy in my pocket. Beginning to think I need use a different method to carry or again think about a lighter gun.
...
Any advice?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2026 08:29 PM

Vedder Holsters makes a nice Kydex pocket holster, and is the one I return to after trying others.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2026 08:41 PM (0sNs1)

117 OT, but Horde prayers, please. My sister has passed.
Posted by: Bulg at June 14, 2026 08:37 PM (77rzZ)

Prayers, brother.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I've got friends in crawl spaces at June 14, 2026 08:42 PM (0aYVJ)

118 I had no trouble drawing Sra Buster's Kimber CDs9 from her holster so thought this would be a piece of cake. But...
Any advice?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2026 08:29 PM (kJmSS)

Sharon, does the holster have a screw or something to adjust how close the pistol fits within it? Some holsters without retention straps have this feature.

Posted by: Ed L at June 14, 2026 08:42 PM (BCwQW)

119 Condolences Bulg...what a blessing you were able to connect when you did....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at June 14, 2026 08:42 PM (IQ6Gq)

120 Bulgar, Condolences from the JTB family. So thankful you were able to visit her recently.

Posted by: Mrs JTB at June 14, 2026 08:43 PM (yTvNw)

121 OT, but Horde prayers, please. My sister has passed.
Posted by: Bulg at June 14, 2026 08:37 PM (77rzZ)

Always, Bulg.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 14, 2026 08:43 PM (qx7Zg)

122 Sorry to hear that. Condolences, Bulg.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2026 08:43 PM (pQ7Rb)

123 Bulg, my condolences.

Posted by: Ed L at June 14, 2026 08:43 PM (BCwQW)

124 {{{Bulg}}}
May her memory be a blessing.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2026 08:44 PM (kJmSS)

125 “I have too many problems in the crawlspace right now.”

A new Horde-ism.

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2026 08:44 PM (rYvai)

126 Sid, what is the brand of the holster you have that looks like a belt bag?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
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I don't remember, let me see if I can look it up. I do remember Lena Miculek was promoting them.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 14, 2026 08:44 PM (lOlUK)

127 OT, but Horde prayers, please. My sister has passed.
Posted by: Bulg at June 14, 2026 08:37 PM

So sorry, Bulg. May her memory be eternal.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2026 08:44 PM (Wnv9h)

128 I was going to focus on my fundamentals but I had too many problems in my crawlspace.

Am I doing this right?

Posted by: blaster at June 14, 2026 08:45 PM (NlEaG)

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