After Iran Downs Apache Helicopter, Trump Threatens New Round of Airstrikes

Is he serious this time or is it more, you know, twitter bullshit?

Comments President Donald Trump made on Wednesday suggest that he may be losing patience with the ongoing negotiations with Iran, which have for months failed to produce a peace deal.
"They've taken too long to negotiate a deal that would have been great for them, now they will have to pay the price!!!" Trump said in a post on Truth Social.
The statement comes a day after the U.S. launched what it called "self-defense strikes" against Iran in retaliation for the downing of an Apache helicopter. Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi warned his country will retaliate against the U.S. strikes, stating "no attack or threat" will be ignored.

Trump now says that the limited airstrikes of Tuesday and today are just the preamble, and that the long-planned attack on Iran's power plants and bridges is coming.

I have to say, I don't believe this. I think this is more saber-rattling to provoke Iran into signing a "deal" that they simply will never, ever sign.

And it would mean nothing point zero zero zero even if they signed it. They are lying, dishonorable, death-cultists animals.

BREAKING: President Trump exclusively tells @TreyYingst that the U.S. is getting close to ordering new strikes against Iranian power plants and bridges in response to “tapping the United States along” when it comes to drawn out negotiations.

The U.S. launched overnight strikes… pic.twitter.com/Eh3zZBWh7q
— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 10, 2026

Generally-supportive General Jack Keane is visibly frustrated with the stalemate.

FoxNews reports that the downed Apache pilots were rescued by... a robotic boat.

I've seen stuff like that in Ukraine, where wounded soldiers are now ferried from the front line to rear-area medical units by robotic stretchers. Ukraine also sank Russian ships using robotic kamikaze boats.

We're now officially living in the future (but not the future we were promised).

What Trump wants is a "deal" he can call a victory and then get the price of oil down to spark the American economy into a hot burn. But Iran knows this is exactly what he wants, and they will never give it to him.

What really has to be hit isn't power plants, which would hurt the population. What has to be hit is mosques where regime leadership is hiding, because they know we won't hit them.

And hospitals which also serve as regime headquarters. And the hospitals don't render treatment to anyone but regime leaders and wounded regime thugs, so nothing much lost if they're hit.

Obviously, hitting these targets would be extremely controversial. I understand why Trump isn't giving the order -- but I think the order has to be given to actually finish off the regime.

And if Trump doesn't want to do it: Give Israel the go code and promise to defend their striking of these hidden regime bases.

Otherwise, it's just this tit-for-tat bullshit forever, with oil prices remaining high and the GOP's standing degrading.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:18 PM

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1 Wipe out Iran on July 4th!!

Posted by: Stateless - He ain't heavy, he's my dog at June 10, 2026 03:18 PM (Sco7b)

2 C'mon, that's a kick ass idea!!!

Posted by: Stateless - He ain't heavy, he's my dog at June 10, 2026 03:19 PM (Sco7b)

3 The Blade opens fire FIRST and kills all the Iranian goatfuckers and ushers in a new golden age in Iran ... with some persian hotties for himself!

Posted by: Elric The Blade at June 10, 2026 03:19 PM (iFTx/)

4 Tit for tat? A boob thread?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 10, 2026 03:19 PM (Kt19C)

5 I love my President, but they're making a fool out of him. Enough already.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 10, 2026 03:20 PM (Vvh2V)

6 Zerohedge, sigh, has an article up. President Trump says there was a secret mission that escorted 200 ships through the strait.

Posted by: Stateless - He ain't heavy, he's my dog at June 10, 2026 03:20 PM (Sco7b)

7 And if Trump doesn't want to do it: Give Israel the go code and promise to defend their striking of these hidden regime bases.

My position for years now has been that if they're going to whine about a Palestinian genocide, give them a real one. Same offer applies to the IRGC.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 03:20 PM (2ocoG)

8 And Helll yeah, Stateless! From your mouth to Trump's ear!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 10, 2026 03:21 PM (Vvh2V)

9 I have to say, I don't believe this. I think this is more saber-rattling to provoke Iran into signing a "deal" that they simply will never, ever sign.

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Well, believe it.

Because we did strike.

https://x.com/JewishWarrior13/
status/2064457250601578766

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:21 PM (6hlNa)

10 Tit for tat? A boob thread?
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats

But not for you. That would be "tit for hat."

Posted by: mikeski at June 10, 2026 03:21 PM (UGvY5)

11 So ... new negotiations? Awesome! This is turning into a farce. Drop bombs, blow shit up, kill assholes, and then bug the fuck out. Enough of this endless lets-make-a-deal bukkake bullshit.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at June 10, 2026 03:22 PM (iFTx/)

12 I don't believe many Sunnis will care if we light up a Shi'a mosque or two over there.

Posted by: gKWVE at June 10, 2026 03:22 PM (gKWVE)

13 Posted by: mikeski at June 10, 2026 03:21 PM

Well done.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 10, 2026 03:23 PM (ix8EF)

14 The Deal is "regime change". I don't think it's Trump's deal, but it's the only deal to escape the abyss that is Iran and its proxies.

And yeah, my patience with Trump's patience is wearing thin, too. I'm not going to abandon him, but he's being played and he knows he's being played. It's going to take a helluva lot more kinetic action to approach a positive outcome. I'm pretty sure the regional powers are getting a bit antsy about having to accept slings and arrows to maintain a parchment peace, too.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 10, 2026 03:23 PM (oji8u)

15 >>>Well, believe it.
Because we did strike.
https://x.com/JewishWarrior13/
status/2064457250601578766

nope, those were the strikes we already knew about, not the attacks on power plants and bridges Trump has been threatening for three months.

Posted by: ace at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM (1wjle)

16 I'm starting to not give a fuck.

Posted by: Don Black at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM (ZxPkt)

17 What Trump wants is a "deal" he can call a victory and then get the price of oil down to spark the American economy into a hot burn. But Iran knows this is exactly what he wants, and they will never give it to him.

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I think you've been misreading the situation for a while.

The diplomatic talks are failure theater and have been since the end of open hostilities. The important thing is the blockade. It's killing Iran's economy. They're dealing with 25% inflation per week. Their trade is down 93%. They're losing $450 million per day.

The strait and the oil market?

It's been adapting since the start. More than half of all oil out of the strait was redirected within days (7 million barrels alone from Saudi's pipeline that was dealing with 500,000 per day before). There are now acknowledgements of smaller tankers taking loads from larger tankers on the Oman side and ship to ship transferring to other larger tankers. All while demand destruction (mostly in Africa and China) take care of most of the rest of the "missing barrels". All while VZ exports increase. US exports increase (we're past the bubble now, actually, they've started to decrease).

RBOB went under $3 yesterday.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM (6hlNa)

18 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM (Zz0t1)

19
TDS sufferer Peter Zeihan told an audience this week some 70% of US long range munitions were used up at the start of the war and that stocks wouldn't be replenished for years, so no action is possible going forward.

I'm good with old refrigerators being dropped from boneyard airplanes on Iran, if it comes to that.

Posted by: Auspex at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM (Y8DZL)

20 15 nope, those were the strikes we already knew about, not the attacks on power plants and bridges Trump has been threatening for three months.

Posted by: ace at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM (1wjle)

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They were the responses to the Apache helicopters. They were strikes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:25 PM (6hlNa)

21 How about no more foreign policy via Twitter

This is one lesson he did NOT learn

Posted by: Melodicmetal at June 10, 2026 03:25 PM (61TgR)

22 5 I love my President, but they're making a fool out of him. Enough already.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 10, 2026 03:20 PM (Vvh2V)

I don't think so. I think Trump is showing that we are perfectly willing to work with them to fix this issue, and he needs to look like he is merciful so that he doesn't appear to be some kind of Genghis Khan. I also don't think he will back down in the long run.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 10, 2026 03:26 PM (bl07w)

23 I am starting to believe more and more they have a small nuke. It may come down to who hits fire first, I guess.

Posted by: Piper at June 10, 2026 03:26 PM (OoFl2)

24 22 I don't think so. I think Trump is showing that we are perfectly willing to work with them to fix this issue, and he needs to look like he is merciful so that he doesn't appear to be some kind of Genghis Khan. I also don't think he will back down in the long run.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 10, 2026 03:26 PM (bl07w)

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Trump is happy to let Iran turn itself into Afghanistan economically with the blockade.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:26 PM (6hlNa)

25 I’m tired of Trump’s threats. Enough already; no more talk just DO IT

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 10, 2026 03:27 PM (yz/88)

26 Stateless: "President Trump says there was a secret mission that escorted 200 ships through the strait."

We really shouldn't be in a position where "secret missions" to traverse international waters are necessary.

The "treaty/cease fire position" has to be, "We and the World will travel unencumbered as We damn well please."

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 10, 2026 03:27 PM (oji8u)

27 Is he serious this time or is it more, you know, twitter bullshit?

Trump is seriously in TACO realm. I've never seen somone go to hard in, and then completely peter out. I wonder if Iran has a nuke and is threatening Trump with it. Nothing else makes sense.

Posted by: Frank Barone at June 10, 2026 03:27 PM (OkYzo)

28 On topic of prison justice, I hear Karmelo is having a rough time in jail (he's not in prison yet). Lots of threats and hazing from his fellow 'birds. So he's in isolation.

Posted by: gKWVE at June 10, 2026 03:27 PM (gKWVE)

29 The IRGC drone got stuck between two pilots (according to Trump) and, miraculously, did not explode.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:28 PM (GD0B3)

30 >> I have to say, I don't believe this. I think this is more saber-rattling to provoke Iran into signing a "deal" that they simply will never, ever sign.

Have I stated it was a significant mistake to pause combat operations? Yes, yes I have.

I honestly can’t listen to the posturing anymore. It’s tiresome.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 10, 2026 03:28 PM (klxjG)

31 IRGC bases and headquarters. Hunt those scumbags like rabid dogs. Until they are gone they will continue lying and killing

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 10, 2026 03:28 PM (6V12Q)

32 "I have to say, I don't believe this. I think this is more saber-rattling to provoke Iran into signing a "deal" that they simply will never, ever sign."

I won't say "never" sign. I will say "never sign before the midterms." No matter what Trump does or says, short of nuking Tehran, the regime knows that all it has to do is hold out until November and maybe -- maybe -- things change in their favor.

And certainly, they know Trump is out in 2028 and a Democrap president -- god help us all -- would revert right back to the Obama-era policy of sucking mullah dick.

2028 sounds like a long way away. But the regime has clung to life and survived for 50 years through multiple wars and uprisings and bloodbaths. They can hold out another 2-3 years.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at June 10, 2026 03:28 PM (iFTx/)

33 4 Tit for tat? A boob thread?
Posted by: Commissar

Why not have both?!?! https://tinyurl.com/46dt3pwx

I mean, I know everyone likes to dunk on women with tattoos, but sometimes they look okay. Can't say the same for septum piercings...

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 10, 2026 03:28 PM (JCZqz)

34 23 I am starting to believe more and more they have a small nuke. It may come down to who hits fire first, I guess.
Posted by: Piper at June 10, 2026 03:26 PM (OoFl2)

I don’t believe that. If those fanatics had one it would’ve already been used… on Israel or us. Those lunatics would not hold that in their vest pocket especially when we were pounding the crap out of them 2 months ago

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 10, 2026 03:28 PM (yz/88)

35 That's it - vote demoncrat!

Posted by: NALNAMSAM at June 10, 2026 03:28 PM (VkY89)

36 I am starting to believe more and more they have a small nuke. It may come down to who hits fire first, I guess.
Posted by: Piper at June 10, 2026 03:26 PM (OoFl2)

I don't think so, they would have used it by now if they did have it.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (GD0B3)

37 The remaining IRGC can't afford to concede anything that conveys any sign of weakness. They all know they're dead if the regime falls.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (XvL8K)

38 >>> 19
TDS sufferer Peter Zeihan told an audience this week some 70% of US long range munitions were used up at the start of the war and that stocks wouldn't be replenished for years, so no action is possible going forward.

I'm good with old refrigerators being dropped from boneyard airplanes on Iran, if it comes to that.
Posted by: Auspex at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM (Y8DZL)

I have some crap out on my pasture they can have.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (R+iUD)

39 "Trump is desperate for any deal at all."
-like, 3 months now

All while oil...returns to normal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (6hlNa)

40 I'm good with old refrigerators being dropped from boneyard airplanes on Iran, if it comes to that.
Posted by: Auspex at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM

We've been known to drop a kitchen sink and a toilet. Old household appliances are acceptable. After we've stripped the useful copper out.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (bFu5X)

41
I'm good with old refrigerators being dropped from boneyard airplanes on Iran, if it comes to that.
Posted by: Auspex at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM (Y8DZL)

"Boy Trapped In Refrigerator. Eats Own Foot Before Being Dropped On Iran."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (Zz0t1)

42 Markets and capital investments will eventually make Persian Gulf oil shipments optional. New pipelines are being built, existing infrastructure is being expanded. The Iranian Government is committing economic suicide.

Posted by: mrp at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (rj6Yv)

43 36 I am starting to believe more and more they have a small nuke. It may come down to who hits fire first, I guess.
Posted by: Piper at June 10, 2026 03:26 PM (OoFl2)

I don't think so, they would have used it by now if they did have it.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (GD0B3)

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Like their supersonic missiles that will wipe out all US equipment and personnel.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (6hlNa)

44
We should withhold funding until Iran turns over its voter rolls.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (7ECWj)

45 Enough of this endless lets-make-a-deal bukkake bullshit.

For better or for worse, Trump's entire brand is "The Art of the Deal". I get why he's attached to it, but I would suggest a new negotiation strategy: if the current Iranian government representative disagrees with our terms, kill them, rinse, and repeat.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 03:30 PM (2ocoG)

46 ....
Well, crud. Was looking forward to voting against Tom Cole for his semi-squish ways (usually reliable on some topics and usually bad on others) but his primary opponent just pulled the 'he gets donations AIPAC' card (and going on about how she doesn't get donations from any PAC). She might just be clueless but I'm not taking my chances.

Posted by: RandomDave at June 10, 2026 03:30 PM (aJQbY)

47 I have some crap out on my pasture they can have.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (R+iUD)

Ooo!

Posted by: India at June 10, 2026 03:30 PM (gKWVE)

48 Iran's hardliners are watching the US Politicians and media oppose Trump... they think that if they last long enough, Congressmen will limit Trump's war fighting ability...

Like the Bill the House just passed...

The only chance the Iran Junta has, is American Politicians and Trump Derangement Syndrome... but sadly... it may just work.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 10, 2026 03:30 PM (mP0Kj)

49 What Trump wants is a "deal" he can call a victory and then get the price of oil down to spark the American economy into a hot burn. But Iran knows this is exactly what he wants, and they will never give it to him.
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Concur.

I'm hoping that Trump can get clever on this really soon, or he's going to wind up going in circles.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:30 PM (Fi81e)

50 Yep. Bomb Qom where all of the mullahs are.

Posted by: Happy at June 10, 2026 03:30 PM (iiHzL)

51 Blue balls are a terrible thing.

"Last month, I directed our Great U.S. Military to execute a secret mission to support Oil Tankers and other Commercial Ships through the Straight of Hormuz. Today, I am pleased to announce that this effort has resulted in more than 100 MILLION Barrels of Oil making its way through the Straight, and into the Open Market. More than 200 Commercial Ships have safely traveled through the Strait. This wildly successful effort is because the UNITED STATES of AMERICA CONTROLS the Strait of Hormuz — NOT Iran. Their military is defeated, and their economy is lost. It’s over for Iran! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP"

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 03:31 PM (rbvCR)

52 I don't think so, they would have used it by now if they did have it.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (GD0B3)

If they had anything, parts of Israel would be glowing already.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:31 PM (Zz0t1)

53

Is Scott Pelley, virile masculine newsperson, going to jut his manly strong jaw out at Trump in disapproval now?

Found out that blowup newsdoll attended college, like Chuck Todd, never finished.

I almost didnt, so not judging, but just observing.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz PhD Esq at June 10, 2026 03:31 PM (et1vG)

54 There won't ever be a deal with these Muslim pieces of shit

Engage in bridge/powerplant day and supply the people of Iran with enough weapons to take back their own country.

Stop with the online bluster of this so-called DEAL

the only deal these barbarians understand is DEATH

Posted by: Melodicmetal at June 10, 2026 03:31 PM (61TgR)

55 Flame me, but Trump has badly mishandled Iran

Either go in there or leave l, but this stupid “deal” that he’s trying to get is just Neville chamberlain type silliness

What’s funny is it’s obvious that Trump just wants some empty gesture he can point to so he can leave, but Iran won’t even give him that

Posted by: Maroon at June 10, 2026 03:31 PM (saKRz)

56 42 Markets and capital investments will eventually make Persian Gulf oil shipments optional. New pipelines are being built, existing infrastructure is being expanded. The Iranian Government is committing economic suicide.

Posted by: mrp at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (rj6Yv)

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It's optional for most of the world, already. Was for a while.

The world adapted to the oil shock of the 70s with new oil exploration outside of the Middle East, and that infrastructure has been building ever since.

In the 70s, the strait handled 40% of all oil trade. In 2026, it was 20%, and more than half of that was rerouted in days with existing infrastructure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:31 PM (6hlNa)

57 Trump is happy to let Iran turn itself into Afghanistan economically with the blockade.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I don't think so. He could do that by bombing a lot of their infrastructure (power, oil facilities, etc). I assume he didn't want to completely screw the country over, hoping some kind of uprising would overthrow the government and have a viable nation to run in the aftermath. That ship may have sailed by now.

Posted by: Military Moron at June 10, 2026 03:31 PM (JCZqz)

58 "After Iran Downs Apache Helicopter, Trump Threatens New Round of Airstrikes"

A hot Nepali girl I'm seeing just threatened new rounds of blowjobs!

Posted by: Elric The Blade at June 10, 2026 03:31 PM (iFTx/)

59 Trump is happy to let Iran turn itself into Afghanistan economically with the blockade.

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You can only go so far with that. North Korea turned itself into a state that relies on internal production. The mullahs are dreaming of that type of country. If they wait Trump out, which is what they are trying to do, we will see a cra-cray with a nuke.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (GD0B3)

60 And , mind you, Korea does not have oil.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (GD0B3)

61 Never should’ve stopped. This shit is now dragging into summer. Hospitals, mosques, transport facilities should be up next. And hit that stupid lost imam well too. Do it on Flag Day. Get this over with.

Posted by: Williebrownsmattress at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (jcCxK)

62 48 Like the Bill the House just passed...

The only chance the Iran Junta has, is American Politicians and Trump Derangement Syndrome... but sadly... it may just work.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 10, 2026 03:30 PM (mP0Kj)

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It was a resolution that did nothing. Not a bill.

And, remember, any bill would need Trump's signature to become law. Outside of super majorities in both chambers demanding the stop to it all, Trump has free reign.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (6hlNa)

63 What’s funny is it’s obvious that Trump just wants some empty gesture he can point to so he can leave, but Iran won’t even give him that

Any gesture by IRGC would be seen as weakness so they can't.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (2ocoG)

64 45 Enough of this endless lets-make-a-deal bukkake bullshit.

For better or for worse, Trump's entire brand is "The Art of the Deal". I get why he's attached to it, but I would suggest a new negotiation strategy: if the current Iranian government representative disagrees with our terms, kill them, rinse, and repeat.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 03:30 PM (2ocoG)

The problem with any deal, is internal politics.

In Iran, we don't even really know who is in charge... or if the popular uprising will work.. so there is no way they will KEEP a deal...

While in the US, it is Anti Trump sentiment in Congress.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 10, 2026 03:33 PM (mP0Kj)

65 If they had anything, parts of Israel would be glowing already.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:31 PM (Zz0t1)

something closer - like US bases in UAE or Kuwait.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:33 PM (GD0B3)

66 I hate to say it

But Trump really looks like a limpdicked pussy at this point.

All hat, no cattle.

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 10, 2026 03:33 PM (WYStd)

67 55 Flame me, but Trump has badly mishandled Iran

Either go in there or leave l, but this stupid “deal” that he’s trying to get is just Neville chamberlain type silliness

What’s funny is it’s obvious that Trump just wants some empty gesture he can point to so he can leave, but Iran won’t even give him that

Posted by: Maroon at June 10, 2026 03:31 PM (saKRz)

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So silly to blockade Iran so effectively that trade goes down 93% and inflation in the nation shoots up to 25% a week because they can't import feed for their chickens anymore.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:33 PM (6hlNa)

68 Nope; Don't want to fight with others over Iraq and Trump and I don't enjoy the fighting . See you folks later or tomorrow. Have a good rest of the day!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 10, 2026 03:33 PM (rZCVI)

69 >>I won't say "never" sign. I will say "never sign before the midterms." No matter what Trump does or says, short of nuking Tehran, the regime knows that all it has to do is hold out until November and maybe -- maybe -- things change in their favor.
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Wouldn't the opposite be true? The premise is that Trump needs a resolution before the midterms. But if he doesn't get one, he really has nothing left to lose. Iran loses its leverage. It's like the blackmailee going public with the dirt. When the dirty secret isn't secret anymore, the blackmail isn't worth paying.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at June 10, 2026 03:34 PM (bNf8H)

70 Like their supersonic missiles that will wipe out all US equipment and personnel.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:29 PM (6hlNa)

dude, put one on a drone and hit anything with a US flag on it, in any of dozen bases around the Gulf

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:34 PM (GD0B3)

71 Iran's hardliners are watching the US Politicians and media oppose Trump... they think that if they last long enough, Congressmen will limit Trump's war fighting ability...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 10, 2026 03:30 PM (mP0Kj)
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I feared that from the time he started this.

#1 He hurt his own "No new wars" brand.
#2 Congress is useless for anything other than graft.

Trump *may* have saved us from a massive terror attack, and if DC can dispose of him it, we'll probably never find out whether the strike was needed or not. (Because it doesn't help the trucks of money in and out of DC).

But without complete knowledge of everything that was at stake, he could have lost this in politics.

I *hope* he hasn't. But I can see it on the horizon, now.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:34 PM (Fi81e)

72 44 We should withhold funding until Iran turns over its voter rolls.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

There's not 50 votes in the Senate for a Iranian "SAVE" act.

Posted by: Auspex at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (Y8DZL)

73 59 You can only go so far with that. North Korea turned itself into a state that relies on internal production. The mullahs are dreaming of that type of country. If they wait Trump out, which is what they are trying to do, we will see a cra-cray with a nuke.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (GD0B3)

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1. They were cray cray with near nuke capabilities and an unused veto on an important vein of energy.

2. This blockade can go until January 2029, and then Trump can use his last week as president to send in special forces to take whatever nuclear material they have left.

2. Honestly, the nuclear material may not exist anymore. UE-60 is gaseous, and the nuke facilities were definitely hit. Any hit to containment, and they evaporate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (6hlNa)

74 Oil is pulling up inflation, and pulling down consumer sentiment. You can hand wave that off all you want, it’s a fact. People have less money on their pocket and there’s a complex reason for that. But the average person only knows that Trump promised it would get better. It hasn’t for them. BTW the numbers for trusting Trump and Republicans on the economy keep going down.

So- the average person is thinking what’s so important about Iran that I’m taking it in the shorts? They’re not thinking, oh gee it will be better in a few months. They’re thinking how do I buy groceries next week.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (klxjG)

75 Not up to date with bombings and strikes, but there were two waves I knew of before midnight here last night. Hitting random places never hit before. At least one reservoir. Ports. Navy, what is left of it.

I will watch Tousi later when I don't have a 9mo old sweet girl to be with today. She keeps me busy and when napping, like now, I read.

She remembers EVERY bottle that I must light the fire in the fireplace. Pavlov's Sweet Girl. I don't care that it is June and in the 70's, we do it for her.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (WONhk)

76 I love Trump but my God he is screwing the pooch here. He HAS to get off this deal BS

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (yz/88)

77 They're running the clock out. As long as they know the Ds are solidly against ANYTHING Trump does or anything for America in general, then they know all they have to do is wait til the mid-terms or the '28 election and get a more compliant D administration.

Odds of seeing Tel Aviv nuked by Iran = Odds of US city nuked by Iran = Odds of Democrat administration being elected

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK's Phone) at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (QGaXH)

78 How many times are the last 50 years have we been told Iran is on the ropes and about to collapse ?

Place isn’t changing

Posted by: Maroon at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (saKRz)

79 PDT is working to restructure the Middle East
The airstrikes took out radar and what little air defense the IRGC has left. Battle space prep.
The cherry on the sundae is taking out the water supply in Sirik.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 10, 2026 03:36 PM (5P5DO)

80 If they wait Trump out, which is what they are trying to do, we will see a cra-cray with a nuke.
Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (GD0B3)
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Waiting, like all the way to January, 2029?

Posted by: mrp at June 10, 2026 03:36 PM (rj6Yv)

81 It is terrible that our enemies say bad things about us. Intolerable. We fear what they say because the Iranians never bluster and lie. We must fear Iran's strenght. It is the one touchstone to reality that we have.

Iranian Armed Forces spokesman Abu al-Fazl Shekarchi:

“Every time Trump speaks, Iran delivers a stronger response, and that will continue.

Our responses are becoming more forceful, more powerful, and more aggressive.

We will never submit to what we call global arrogance, particularly Trump and Netanyahu.

The United States is no longer the superpower it once was. The world has witnessed Iran’s strength.”

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 03:36 PM (rbvCR)

82 I have an opinion but it's just that.. An opinion...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 10, 2026 03:36 PM (3iJWA)

83 @BROKENBRITAIN0
52m

BREAKING: Protests have now ERUPTED across Northern Ireland for a second night in a row

Footage from Belfast shows masked protesters facing off with police as multiple fires are already raging across the city.

Posted by: Dr. T at June 10, 2026 03:37 PM (jGGMD)

84 71 Trump *may* have saved us from a massive terror attack, and if DC can dispose of him it, we'll probably never find out whether the strike was needed or not. (Because it doesn't help the trucks of money in and out of DC).

But without complete knowledge of everything that was at stake, he could have lost this in politics.

I *hope* he hasn't. But I can see it on the horizon, now.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:34 PM (Fi81e)

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The more important part of Iran wasn't the nuclear capabilities (which are important), but Trump's overall geopolitical strategy to make America the vector for energy in the world.

That's why he hit Venezuela first, essentially turning it into an American protectorate from an energy perspective.

The world finding ways around the strait advantage America because it makes the Middle East less important overall, including more foreign purchasing of American energy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:37 PM (6hlNa)

85 It was a resolution that did nothing. Not a bill.

And, remember, any bill would need Trump's signature to become law. Outside of super majorities in both chambers demanding the stop to it all, Trump has free reign.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (6hlNa)

But to the Iranian Junta, it shows internal US Division about holding them accountable for 40 years of crap.

If you read the media, which they do, they see the biased presses view that Americans opposed taking Iran down... which is IMO far from the truth...

BUT... it gives them hope, so they hold on... because the only way to win a War is to either totally destroy their ability to wage war, or to destroy their WILL to fight...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 10, 2026 03:37 PM (mP0Kj)

86

something closer - like US bases in UAE or Kuwait.
Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:33 PM (GD0B3)

If they had a nuke, their book compels them to kill Jews first and foremost. They'll get the west later.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:37 PM (Zz0t1)

87 74 Oil is pulling up inflation, and pulling down consumer sentiment. You can hand wave that off all you want, it’s a fact. People have less money on their pocket and there’s a complex reason for that. But the average person only knows that Trump promised it would get better. It hasn’t for them. BTW the numbers for trusting Trump and Republicans on the economy keep going down.

So- the average person is thinking what’s so important about Iran that I’m taking it in the shorts? They’re not thinking, oh gee it will be better in a few months. They’re thinking how do I buy groceries next week.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (klxjG)

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RBOB was under $3 yesterday.

The oil shock is over. It's done. We're on the downward path. Have been for weeks, actually.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:38 PM (6hlNa)

88 >See you folks later or tomorrow. Have a good rest of the day!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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you can't leave!
ALL THE PLANTS WILL DIE!

Posted by: Don Black at June 10, 2026 03:38 PM (ZxPkt)

89 hobo ass is the best tasting ass

Posted by: Sid at June 10, 2026 03:38 PM (7VBd5)

90 I wish Congress would stop winking at Iran and encouraging the mullahs to hold on just a couple more years. The military action would be over by now if Congress wasn't busy reassuring the mullahs that things will be back to "normal" soon.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 10, 2026 03:38 PM (FMtrg)

91 1. They were cray cray with near nuke capabilities and an unused veto on an important vein of energy.

2. This blockade can go until January 2029, and then Trump can use his last week as president to send in special forces to take whatever nuclear material they have left.

2. Honestly, the nuclear material may not exist anymore. UE-60 is gaseous, and the nuke facilities were definitely hit. Any hit to containment, and they evaporate.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (6hlNa)

1. No, not yet.
2. The effects of the blockade could be flatlining by next year, 2026 does not look that certain for Rs; after that - em-peach and no funds for the military
3. Maybe, but they can go from 10% to 90% real quick (at least it is what the experts are saying)

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:39 PM (GD0B3)

92 78 How many times are the last 50 years have we been told Iran is on the ropes and about to collapse ?

Place isn’t changing

Posted by: Maroon at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (saKRz)

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They have a lot less manufacturing capability now than they did in January. And a lot less trade. And a lot fewer friends in the region. All the Gulf States are working with the Treasury Department to identify IRGC assets in Gulf State banks for the Treasury Department to, essentially, steal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:39 PM (6hlNa)

93 Old and busted: The Art of the Deal

New and cool: The Illusion of a Deal

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at June 10, 2026 03:39 PM (ndZc7)

94 No threats please, hit em hard back

Posted by: Skip at June 10, 2026 03:39 PM (Ia/+0)

95 80 If they wait Trump out, which is what they are trying to do, we will see a cra-cray with a nuke.
Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (GD0B3)
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Waiting, like all the way to January, 2029?

Posted by: mrp at June 10, 2026 03:36 PM (rj6Yv)

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I wonder if the oil markets will have adapted by that point or if the strait will be as important as it was in 1975?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:39 PM (6hlNa)

96 If they had a nuke, their book compels them to kill Jews first and foremost. They'll get the west later.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:37 PM (Zz0t1)

they would go for what is most expedient, like hitting the people who killed their dear leader

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:40 PM (GD0B3)

97 63 What’s funny is it’s obvious that Trump just wants some empty gesture he can point to so he can leave, but Iran won’t even give him that

Any gesture by IRGC would be seen as weakness so they can't.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (2ocoG)
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I remember a statement from some one from the IRGC saying "why would we concede something to the U.S. that they weren't able to take from us."

Hmmm.

Posted by: WisRich at June 10, 2026 03:40 PM (G0vdT)

98 And it would mean nothing point zero zero zero even if they signed it. They are lying, dishonorable, death-cultists animals.

Yeah, I think we are on the same page with this.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 10, 2026 03:40 PM (pohLc)

99 74 Oil is pulling up inflation, and pulling down consumer sentiment. You can hand wave that off all you want, it’s a fact. People have less money on their pocket and there’s a complex reason for that. But the average person only knows that Trump promised it would get better. It hasn’t for them. BTW the numbers for trusting Trump and Republicans on the economy keep going down.

So- the average person is thinking what’s so important about Iran that I’m taking it in the shorts? They’re not thinking, oh gee it will be better in a few months. They’re thinking how do I buy groceries next week.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 10, 2026 03:35 PM (klxjG)

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RBOB was under $3 yesterday.

The oil shock is over. It's done. We're on the downward path. Have been for weeks, actually.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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TJM has the better of it. Part of the issue in spikes in a number of non blue states is that the start of non attainment special blends for smog disrupts gasoline prices every May and then again in September when refineries have to switch back to winter formulations. These boutique EPA Clean Air Act requirements do nothing on smog since OBD II cars-still required because ethanol.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 03:40 PM (E4rtv)

100 85 But to the Iranian Junta, it shows internal US Division about holding them accountable for 40 years of crap.

If you read the media, which they do, they see the biased presses view that Americans opposed taking Iran down... which is IMO far from the truth...

BUT... it gives them hope, so they hold on... because the only way to win a War is to either totally destroy their ability to wage war, or to destroy their WILL to fight...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 10, 2026 03:37 PM (mP0Kj)

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Hope while they've lost 93% of all trade and inflation is 25% a week.

Trump can go on a lot longer than they can.

Trump is limited by gas prices, which have been coming down for weeks, now. The IRGC is limited by its ability to feed itself.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:40 PM (6hlNa)

101 Don't invade Russia for any reason and don't attack Mideast countries to do regime change. Never works out as planned.

Unfortunately we are stuck with this situation. Trump needs to either resume massive bombing with Israel or just withdraw. Looks bad but these endless negotiations for an agreement Iran won't keep looks even worse.

Posted by: Ripley at June 10, 2026 03:41 PM (GUOwU)

102 TDS sufferer Peter Zeihan told an audience this week some 70% of US long range munitions were used up at the start of the war and that stocks wouldn't be replenished for years, so no action is possible going forward.

I'm good with old refrigerators being dropped from boneyard airplanes on Iran, if it comes to that.
Posted by: Auspex at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM (Y8DZL)

We should drop used toilets.

https://tinyurl.com/toilet-bomb

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 10, 2026 03:41 PM (qx7Zg)

103 And, remember, any bill would need Trump's signature to become law. Outside of super majorities in both chambers demanding the stop to it all, Trump has free reign.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (6hlNa)

Tell me, how easy would a war powers act ending the Iran conflict be to pass over a veto if, for example, there was no filibuster?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 03:42 PM (rbvCR)

104 I wish Congress would stop winking at Iran and encouraging the mullahs to hold on just a couple more years. The military action would be over by now if Congress wasn't busy reassuring the mullahs that things will be back to "normal" soon.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 10, 2026 03:38 PM (FMtrg)
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You gotta' be kidding me. DC thinks Iran is their way out of Trump having a defining effect.

I can see a scenario where they are salivating at the picture of Trump having a major defeat from a stalemate, and can't wait to get the USAID trucks full of money rolling in and out of DC again.

The entire GOP has pretty much shown it's hand that it it is not interested in helping Trump out.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:42 PM (Fi81e)

105 Momentum is an asset. I am afraid we lost a bit of ours.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:42 PM (GD0B3)

106 I am beginning to be frustrated by all this...... Trump wants a deal, the Iranians know he wants a deal, Iranians never negotiate in good faith...... they argue about everything......it's baked into their culture......and Trump's dithering is going to cost us the midterms.

Posted by: Monica at June 10, 2026 03:42 PM (cZnIJ)

107
The Graft MUST FLOW!

Posted by: DC at June 10, 2026 03:42 PM (Fi81e)

108 91 1. No, not yet.
2. The effects of the blockade could be flatlining by next year, 2026 does not look that certain for Rs; after that - em-peach and no funds for the military
3. Maybe, but they can go from 10% to 90% real quick (at least it is what the experts are saying)

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:39 PM (GD0B3)

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Yeah, right.

The MIC is going to let Democrats defund the military. Sure.

I swear, people.

And we definitely hit their nuclear refining capabilities. They'd have to start from scratch.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:42 PM (6hlNa)

109 99 TJM has the better of it. Part of the issue in spikes in a number of non blue states is that the start of non attainment special blends for smog disrupts gasoline prices every May and then again in September when refineries have to switch back to winter formulations. These boutique EPA Clean Air Act requirements do nothing on smog since OBD II cars-still required because ethanol.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 03:40 PM (E4rtv)

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AND demand should be peaking about now.

Demand will decline over the next few months.

All while we are definitely on a march towards an oil glut by September.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:43 PM (6hlNa)

110 I am not too worried about the oil. The markets priced in all the shocks and it did not go up much over 100. And now it is in the 80-90 range. But that is not all there is, the survival of the regime is what is on the table.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:44 PM (GD0B3)

111 How about no more foreign policy via Twitter
.......

1. Finish the job, invade and plant our flag.
or:
2. Pull all American troops, bases and funding out of Europe and the Middle East.
Pick one.

Posted by: wth at June 10, 2026 03:44 PM (UjdFS)

112 103
Tell me, how easy would a war powers act ending the Iran conflict be to pass over a veto if, for example, there was no filibuster?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 03:42 PM (rbvCR)

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So, it would require 67 votes in the Senate.

And they can't get 51 votes for meaningless resolutions in the Senate against the war.

Also, Trump would ignore it like Obama ignored it in Libya, and the judiciary would side with the executive by saying it's a political matter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:44 PM (6hlNa)

113 Trump should string the Iranians along until November with these peace talks and more tit for tat strikes. He knows the Iranians aren’t seriously negotiating and stalling for time so he’s returning the favor in kind because he’s a patient man and has more time than the mullahs do.

Hopefully the GOP retains a majority in Congress and then Trump can unleash the dogs of war again on Iran for a few more months.

The CIA will have finally found a way to smuggle in some firepower to the Iranian people and then they can take down the regime.

Then Trump just has to secure Hormuz and the nukes and it’s checkmate.

This is all, of course, a fantasy of mine, but I like my ending better than the one I’m seeing in this movie.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 10, 2026 03:44 PM (6ydKt)

114 Remember the famous Carl von Clausewitz quote: War is not an independent phenomenon, but the continuation of politics by different means.

Trump must consider politics and voters here are impatient with what’s going on. He needs power plant day for a quick resolution because “starve them into submission” is gonna take a long time…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 10, 2026 03:45 PM (yz/88)

115 I wonder if the oil markets will have adapted by that point or if the strait will be as important as it was in 1975?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:39 PM (6hlNa)
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The US has the power to turn Iran into a smoldering ruin, and that could happen if the IRGC makes itself a greater nuisance than it is, now. Right now, what's left of the Iranian economy is swirling in the toilet bowl, heading for the septic tank. By 2029, Iranians will either be starving in the streets or the country will be under new management.

Posted by: mrp at June 10, 2026 03:45 PM (rj6Yv)

116 Yeah, right.

The MIC is going to let Democrats defund the military. Sure.

I swear, people.

And we definitely hit their nuclear refining capabilities. They'd have to start from scratch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:42 PM (6hlNa)

I am so old I remember when they defunded the DHS and ICE, with both houses. the Presidency under R control.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:45 PM (GD0B3)

117 I am beginning to be frustrated by all this...... Trump wants a deal, the Iranians know he wants a deal, Iranians never negotiate in good faith...... they argue about everything......it's baked into their culture......and Trump's dithering is going to cost us the midterms.
Posted by: Monica at June 10, 2026 03:42 PM (cZnIJ)
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If *anybody* other than Trump were doing anything on this, Iran could not be so glib.

They know that Trump has turned down retaliatory strikes before because to him the casualties--even on the other side--"weren't worth it".

It's nice, but that's not how a good portion of the world works. And the people on this side, who could be doing something, to them it's just too worth doing nothing to watch Trump flounder.

We can depend on no one but God.

Posted by: DC at June 10, 2026 03:45 PM (Fi81e)

118 TDS sufferer Peter Zeihan told an audience this week some 70% of US long range munitions were used up at the start of the war and that stocks wouldn't be replenished for years, so no action is possible going forward.

Impossible. They were all used up in Ukraine.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 10, 2026 03:45 PM (Riz8t)

119 And we definitely hit their nuclear refining capabilities. They'd have to start from scratch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I think I heard that in June 2025.

Posted by: Military Moron at June 10, 2026 03:46 PM (JCZqz)

120 And fwiw, the most recent consumer survey shows a decline in anticipating new higher inflation which means that should calm down. We took a one time hit which is now dwindling a bit.

Trump is using the anaconda strategy where Iran runs out of money rather than boots on the ground or air strikes to eliminate infrastructure. His main focus is on obtaining the uranium and ending nuclear aspirations of Iran and not regime overthrow as a formal goal.

Israel's calculus is different because its citizens are still being hit by Iranian proxies and still threatened by Iran's ballistic missile and drone programs. They want the IRGC gone but don't have the ability themselves to end it either by bombing or certainly not by boots on the ground.

We aren't sending boots on the ground nor massive infrastructure (although Kharg Island might be on the chopping block) as Trump wants the nuke threat over, and then turning the entire Middle East mess back to the Arabs, Persians, and Israel to deal with. For us, the blockade strategy works just fine--hurts competitors, raises US revenues as we are now a net exporter, and hurts Iran.

That is where the conflict in aims and means is occurring.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 03:46 PM (E4rtv)

121 Still waiting for the devastating response from the IRGC.

Have some of read the shit the IRGC is telling the people in Iran while food is getting scarcer every day?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 10, 2026 03:46 PM (5P5DO)

122 We should drop used toilets.

https://tinyurl.com/toilet-bomb
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
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and cans of "tuna".

Posted by: wth at June 10, 2026 03:46 PM (UjdFS)

123 110 I am not too worried about the oil. The markets priced in all the shocks and it did not go up much over 100. And now it is in the 80-90 range. But that is not all there is, the survival of the regime is what is on the table.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:44 PM (GD0B3)

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And yet, oil is the only cudgel people have against Trump in this conflict.

"Trump is desperate for a deal because he wants oil prices to crash."

Despite Trump saying publicly that he doesn't give a shit about the price of oil.

The entire premise that Trump is desperate for a deal is predicated on the idea that Trump wants lower oil prices for political reasons...but he's already getting lower oil prices while America has seen the most benefit from higher oil prices (just ahead of Norway with Brent) because we can produce and refine and few other people can.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:46 PM (6hlNa)

124 If '26 goes down the toilet, Ds will make the administration very miserable, reverse a lot of the gains, and force the WH into so many concessions your head will spin.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:47 PM (GD0B3)

125 While I admit Trump may have had bad advice on this halting of bombing, when he had them on the ropes...I think he did it to prove he tried to negotiate. For about six weeks to long, but what do any of us know?

Iran a year ago was demolished for making a nuke. Pakistan was trying to help that problem (and they have a nuke). Now eyes from space are on who/what/where onland is bring in arms. I don't know squat but I believe this. I think, and could be wrong, that they were watching, waiting and had precision strikes last night to new areas.

The ONLY news on Iran I trust is Tousi, for better or worse. He reports where the strikes are. I thank Ace for introducing me to him. He's nice to look at as well and funny.

I don't like that it's dragged out. I also don't like people whining about everything Trump does. I believe Iran won't recover for generations from what they had with pallets of billions from Obungo and Slow Joe.

In my 47yrs of marriage and death to America this is the first President who did not kick the can down the road.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 03:47 PM (WONhk)

126 116
I am so old I remember when they defunded the DHS and ICE, with both houses. the Presidency under R control.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:45 PM (GD0B3)

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Oh, they did?

I'm old enough to know that in the last two days it ended up revealed as empty theater and DHS got all the increased funding they wanted.

Also, DHS ain't exactly Lockheed Martin.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (6hlNa)

127 AND demand should be peaking about now.

Demand will decline over the next few months.

All while we are definitely on a march towards an oil glut by September.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:43 PM (6hlNa)

I heard the argument that the price per barrel of oil is STILL less than under the worst under Biden and. . . The Covid inflation is still with us, and even if a barrel was the same price as the worst under Biden, the value of that money is less.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (rbvCR)

128 2024-2025 WTI low was around $67. By the end of 2025 the low was around $55. It’s gone up since then and hovered in the $90 range since March. It’s back up again today. Inventories have been down for months, and we continue to draw on the SPR, which we criticized the last administration for doing. Some relief has come from SA and UAE building pipelines around the strait but that won’t do it. Until this conflict is over, you’re not going to see a sustained drop.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (klxjG)

129 Its twitter BS. I can't stand watching the news anymore. It's like groundhog day. Trump threatens to rain hell on Iran, then says they are dying to make a deal, then says the deal might happen any day now, then nothing. Lather, rinse, repeat. I hate to say this but he just has no credibility on this anymore. It doesn't matter that he has no credibility with me, but it matters that he clearly has none with whoever is running Iran, and frankly the rest of the world is going to notice too.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (udRx+)

130 I think I heard that in June 2025.
Posted by: Military Moron
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The Iranians were trying to dig up the remaining enriched nuclear dust and could conceivably rig some crude nuclear devices which is what their negotiators were bragging about before we hit them again. Supposedly enough perhaps for about 10-12 nukes which would change the Middle East as we know it. So we hit them again with Israel.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (E4rtv)

131 You gotta' be kidding me. DC thinks Iran is their way out of Trump having a defining effect.

I can see a scenario where they are salivating at the picture of Trump having a major defeat from a stalemate, and can't wait to get the USAID trucks full of money rolling in and out of DC again.

The entire GOP has pretty much shown it's hand that it it is not interested in helping Trump out.
Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:42 PM (Fi81e)

It sounds like we are both theorizing that Congress wants to see Trump fail. I'm not sure how your point counters mine.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (FMtrg)

132 That's it - vote demoncrat!
Posted by: NALNAMSAM

Joke's on you. You already did.

Posted by: Homeless Guy Waving Around Four Crisp Singles at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (M0V4/)

133 Willowed:

The legal counsel of the EEOC just released an opinion calling disparate impact analysis unconstitutional. That is in part to tee up a Scotus case burying Griggs v. Duke Power which created the disparate impact doctrine from whole cloth in the early 70's.

Awful decision contradicting the actual text of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. But as in the VRA, the equal protection and due process clauses trump a statute and the rule is that if a statute and the constitution conflict, then the statute must be interpreted in such a way that no conflict exists.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 03:00 PM (E4rtv)

Whig, I've been waiting for some action on this. Where is the most promising case?

Posted by: Black JEM at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (GZYu7)

134 In my 47yrs of marriage and death to America this is the first President who did not kick the can down the road.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 03:47 PM (WONhk)

Congrats to you. That's amazing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:49 PM (Zz0t1)

135 Israel's calculus is Hezbollah first and then Iran related stuff. I hope Trump (or whoever is advising him on this matter) does not interfere with that calculus.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:49 PM (GD0B3)

136 In my 47yrs of marriage and death to America this is the first President who did not kick the can down the road.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 03:47 PM (WONhk)

You’ve been married since the mullahs took over! Kudos!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 10, 2026 03:49 PM (yz/88)

137 119 And we definitely hit their nuclear refining capabilities. They'd have to start from scratch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I think I heard that in June 2025.

Posted by: Military Moron at June 10, 2026 03:46 PM (JCZqz)

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We hit everything we thought we had decent intel on in 6 weeks. The idea that there's anything left of their nuclear program above hundreds of feet of rubble is ludicrous.

Plus, the problem with keeping UE-60 stable and in its gaseous form while under attack from MOABs.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:49 PM (6hlNa)

138 127 I heard the argument that the price per barrel of oil is STILL less than under the worst under Biden and. . . The Covid inflation is still with us, and even if a barrel was the same price as the worst under Biden, the value of that money is less.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (rbvCR)

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Well, the solution to that is more deportations.

And Trump just secured $70 billion more for that.

So.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:50 PM (6hlNa)

139 Trump must consider politics and voters here are impatient with what’s going on. He needs power plant day for a quick resolution because “starve them into submission” is gonna take a long time…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
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I think voters are only impatient about gas prices. It's not like Iraq or Afghanistan where there were regular deaths to report. If the gas prices come down, he could keep up the blockade indefinitely.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 10, 2026 03:50 PM (XvL8K)

140 We should drop used toilets.

https://tinyurl.com/toilet-bomb
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
......

and cans of "tuna".
Posted by: wth

Deviled Ham. They won't know which is worse, the devil or the ham.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 10, 2026 03:50 PM (M0V4/)

141 I'm not a "Trumper". I'm not a cult of personality guy.

I criticize Trump whenever I feel like it.

Unfortunately, I keep looking at it, and about the only person we have on our side who is doing anything is Donald Trump (I include administration like Rubio and Vance in this).

I knew this strike could turn out badly for him. Again, I'm reasonably sure DC will cover up any *need* that was there for the strike, and we'll be left with not a valiant sacrifice, but a political own-goal.

So that DC can get back to being the sewer it is.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (Fi81e)

142 Hasn't the FIFA horsesh*t started? Yes, it has.

FIFA is actively hosting matches for Iran (a heavily sanctioned nation engaged in diplomatic conflict with co-host the United States) in American stadiums. This dynamic has forced FIFA President Gianni Infantino to manage a tightrope walk between maintaining his core doctrine of political neutrality and navigating severe logistical, diplomatic, and security realities. (AI Overview)

Iran will play all three of its Group G matches on the West Coast of the United States, specifically split between Los Angeles, California and Seattle, Washington.

Due to strict U.S. visa restrictions and the ongoing geopolitical conflict, the team is based across the border in Tijuana, Mexico. The players will fly in via charter flights strictly on matchdays and must exit the U.S. immediately after each game.

And no matter what happens, "everyone" is mad at Trump, hotels, Airbnbs, African players, cities...

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (NFX2v)

143 Oh, they did?

I'm old enough to know that in the last two days it ended up revealed as empty theater and DHS got all the increased funding they wanted.

Also, DHS ain't exactly Lockheed Martin.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (6hlNa)

Well , then you remember the Government Shutdown too, and how well everything went.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (GD0B3)

144 How many times are the last 50 years have we been told Iran is on the ropes and about to collapse ?

Zero that I can recall.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (2ocoG)

145 129 Its twitter BS. I can't stand watching the news anymore. It's like groundhog day. Trump threatens to rain hell on Iran, then says they are dying to make a deal, then says the deal might happen any day now, then nothing. Lather, rinse, repeat. I hate to say this but he just has no credibility on this anymore. It doesn't matter that he has no credibility with me, but it matters that he clearly has none with whoever is running Iran, and frankly the rest of the world is going to notice too.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA
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How much are you willing to spend in blood and treasure for a resolution? Invade?, bomb all their infrastructure which makes them a terror state like Lebanon was after the civil war? You might do better proposing your own end game and what you are willing to do to be more persuasive.

Trump's repeated goal is no nukes for Iran and retrieval of the enriched uranium--and that is it. He thinks he can use blockades to starve out the mullahs and prevent them from accessing the nuke dust by air strikes if need be but not going beyond that.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (E4rtv)

146
Deviled Ham. They won't know which is worse, the devil or the ham.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 10, 2026 03:50 PM (M0V4/)

They already know allah.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (Zz0t1)

147 Thank you Ace. This whole idea of making a deal with the devil makes zero sense to me. They have to go. I know everyone gets Saddam Hussein flashbacks but I just see no option. Signing a deal is just another kicking the can down the road.

Posted by: Drunken Yoda at June 10, 2026 03:52 PM (ilHZO)

148 128 2024-2025 WTI low was around $67. By the end of 2025 the low was around $55. It’s gone up since then and hovered in the $90 range since March. It’s back up again today. Inventories have been down for months, and we continue to draw on the SPR, which we criticized the last administration for doing. Some relief has come from SA and UAE building pipelines around the strait but that won’t do it. Until this conflict is over, you’re not going to see a sustained drop.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (klxjG)

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Did we criticize Biden's admin for drawing on it or from drawing on it so hard that it actually damaged the containers? Because it was definitely the latter.

Also, our inventories are still above average.

While we're getting past peak demand and our oil exports are actually declining from the new peak of a few weeks ago, indicating that the demand destruction in Africa and China (and a bit everywhere else) is finding new equilibrium.

Oil will be back to $70 per barrel by August.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:52 PM (6hlNa)

149 Joke's on you. You already did.
Posted by: Homeless Guy Waving Around Four Crisp Singles at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (M0V4/)

I'm hearing this in the voice of Jack Nicholson.

Posted by: he's using Brand X. at June 10, 2026 03:52 PM (gKWVE)

150 had anyone kept track of how many times we have toggled thru bomb/talk bomb/talk bomb/talk ?

Posted by: Don Black at June 10, 2026 03:52 PM (ZxPkt)

151 Is anybody really "happy" with how Trump has dealt with Iran?

We're not going to have anything to show for this when it's over. The regime is still be in power when we leave. I don't really care if it costs them money. And despite being told over and over again their military is destroyed, they somehow are able to keep harming US personnel.

Iranian people need to step up, but they won't.

Posted by: Sharpie at June 10, 2026 03:53 PM (deGnI)

152
And no matter what happens, "everyone" is mad at Trump, hotels, Airbnbs, African players, cities...
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (NFX2v)

Oooh. Soccer is mad at Trump.

I'll go flop around here in the corner in fear.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)

153 139 I think voters are only impatient about gas prices. It's not like Iraq or Afghanistan where there were regular deaths to report. If the gas prices come down, he could keep up the blockade indefinitely.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 10, 2026 03:50 PM (XvL8K)

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Gas prices are coming down.

And have been for a couple of weeks.

Wholesale gas futures (RBOB)

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/@RB.1

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:53 PM (6hlNa)

154 You’ve been married since the mullahs took over! Kudos!
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 10, 2026 03:49 PM (yz/8

Ha, yes. He's been putting up with me for almost 50yrs this September. Best friends still and we have a lot of fun.

I lucked out, and many did not want me to marry him based on his first year (age 22yrs) breaking up with me seasonally (for no reason).I was asked by 3 doctors (one interested in me) if I knew what I was doing. Yes.

He said he knew after that year it would take me awhile to believe he was serious and was prepared for my laugh with his first proposal.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 03:54 PM (WONhk)

155 143 Well , then you remember the Government Shutdown too, and how well everything went.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (GD0B3)

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I remember no one actually gave a shit about it and it fell out of the news after days.

And in the end, all Democrats got was the deportation machine under Trump fully and completely funded through 2028.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:54 PM (6hlNa)

156 Definitely Trump's Tuco moment.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 10, 2026 03:55 PM (XV/Pl)

157 When Biden took office oil was around $20 (Covid anomaly) It spiked from there and stayed in the $70-$80 range with several spikes up to $105 and $90 in 2022.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 10, 2026 03:55 PM (klxjG)

158 Police are deploying water cannons against protesters in Belfast.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:55 PM (GD0B3)

159 151 And despite being told over and over again their military is destroyed, they somehow are able to keep harming US personnel.

Iranian people need to step up, but they won't.

Posted by: Sharpie at June 10, 2026 03:53 PM (deGnI)

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We've been shooting down their drones for weeks over the strait and they got some blind luck hitting one Apache without injuring the crew.

It's the worst American loss since Antietam, people.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:55 PM (6hlNa)

160 It sounds like we are both theorizing that Congress wants to see Trump fail. I'm not sure how your point counters mine.
Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 10, 2026 03:48 PM (FMtrg)
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Sorry if I came on a little strong. But my scenario is that it is futile to posit what if the GOP Congress helped him out, when they seem to be wanting to wait for him to fall.

We both want that, but I feel that if the party wanted that, they might have done a thing or two so far.

I'm starting to believe that Congress and the Judiciary are proverbial "existential threats" to America.

It's ironic that those closest to actual Marxist in our system will be the capitalists to sell the Marxists the rope with which to hang us, but things are what they are.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:56 PM (Fi81e)

161 Definitely Trump's Tuco moment.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 10, 2026 03:55 PM (XV/Pl)

The once used but thankfully didn't stick shortening of Tucker Carleson's name?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:56 PM (Zz0t1)

162 And it would mean nothing point zero zero zero even if they signed it. They are lying, dishonorable, death-cultists animals.

In fairness, I've heard some of their wimmen are hot.

Posted by: J. Random 'Ron at June 10, 2026 03:56 PM (0sNs1)

163 I think it's time to take out one dam. Power, water, hydraulic damage. Let the civilians know that they need to step up. It would be years before they could bring in back online.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 10, 2026 03:56 PM (SRceu)

164 I'm trying to cut Trump some slack here.

I think we had very credible, actionable intelligence that Iran was on the verge of a working nuclear device and we had to act immediately to prevent them from making it. I think the immediacy of the threat meant that we didn't have a good go-forward plan beyond bombing everything we had a good fix on, and that's where we are now.

We had to stop the immediate threat and then play the rest of it by ear and it has not gone especially well as time wears on, because negotiating with these fanatics is not now and will never be a winning tactic.

Posted by: ballistic at June 10, 2026 03:57 PM (oqH4h)

165 And no matter what happens, "everyone" is mad at Trump, hotels, Airbnbs, African players, cities...
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (NFX2v)

Oooh. Soccer is mad at Trump.

I'll go flop around here in the corner in fear.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)
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I read that Trump ruined the Knicks game for everybody.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:57 PM (Fi81e)

166 Gas prices are coming down.

And have been for a couple of weeks.

Wholesale gas futures (RBOB)

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/@RB.1
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

In my corner of California, gas price for Regular Unleaded was about $5.25/gallon at the local Costco this past Monday. This morning, that same Costco was $5.07. This is about the time that a California refinery would catch fire to drive the prices back up, but Newsom chased them all out of the state.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 10, 2026 03:57 PM (M0V4/)

167
Meanwhile.......

Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
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1h
Ms Rachel is outside Delaney Hall DHS center in NJ singing about knocking down walls and freeing criminal illegal aliens.

Parents, keep your kids away!

Posted by: beckster at June 10, 2026 03:57 PM (kX27y)

168 >> Oil will be back to $70 per barrel by August.

Oh, so back into the Biden range. And now it’s August. That feels like it was June at one point. It was it “summer”?

Posted by: Marcus T at June 10, 2026 03:58 PM (klxjG)

169 155 JM

Speaking of "fell out of the news," that's what's happened today with the Belfast riots. Not just here in the U.S., but in English tabloids too.

What riots?

Posted by: mnw at June 10, 2026 03:58 PM (RCjYY)

170 166 In my corner of California, gas price for Regular Unleaded was about $5.25/gallon at the local Costco this past Monday. This morning, that same Costco was $5.07. This is about the time that a California refinery would catch fire to drive the prices back up, but Newsom chased them all out of the state.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 10, 2026 03:57 PM (M0V4/)

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Life in CA just sounds awful.

I live on the NC/SC border, and it's interesting to cross into SC and see gas 40 cents cheaper everywhere.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:58 PM (6hlNa)

171 I think since Trump has been right on several things others said couldn't be done, he thought he could get the Iranians to give up...but fanatics don't...

Posted by: zigggggy at June 10, 2026 03:58 PM (EDeJ/)

172 ---
I read that Trump ruined the Knicks game for everybody.
Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:57 PM (Fi81e)

His existence ruins everything for libtard assholes. The Knicks lost because they didn't have an answer for that big f*cker on the Spurs.

They likely only showed him on the Jumbotron once during the Anthem, then everyone forgot he was even there.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 03:59 PM (Zz0t1)

173 Zero that I can recall.
Posted by: Ian S.
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A few comments on X but that no one authoritatively claimed that. It has 80-90 million people spread out over a vast terrain and many of its facilities are deeply dug in over decades for missile launches and drones. Plus well over 125k or so of IRGC troops and probably about 500k to 1 million more auxiliaries counting foreigners. Then the remnants of their regular military although that is pretty much a shell now.

So, we can take out bridges, power plants, oil facilities, etc but probably not all missile launch sites nor drone production or small boats. Mines are also fairly easy to produce for the Persian Gulf. So, we are in a holding pattern which upsets a lot of folks here mainly over the increase in gas prices it seems.

We aren't losing, Iran is not winning by any stretch, but I think people got hopped up on figuring those Iranian bastards of the IRGC and mullahs deserved to be toppled.

I don't think US actual strategy ever depended on that, but rather preventing nukes only.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 03:59 PM (E4rtv)

174 152. Oooh. Soccer is mad at Trump.

I'll go flop around here in the corner in fear.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer

🤣

The billions and billions cities & near 'burbs thought they'd be getting for games attendance is not materializing.

Canada and Mexico have booked roughly 50% capacity, the US less.

Everything is political.

Someone must pay.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 10, 2026 03:59 PM (NFX2v)

175 Zero that I can recall.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (2ocoG)

Exactly. Due to taqiyya who would believe them, much less a gay eye-a-tollah in a coma and missing at least one leg.

No one is in charge. The IRGC leaders have been picked off with strategic strikes. I think janitors are firing the remaining missiles and drones at this point, ticking off most of their neighbors.

A week or so ago there were internal marches/protest, but until it is safe for them they can't start over. With hopefully people other than mad mullahs.

I have faith it will all be well.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 03:59 PM (WONhk)

176 Blockades take a hell of a long time to effect. This could well drag on for 6 months or more. Not a lot of need for gasoline in Iran right now. They are basically in covid lockdown times. Things like food are being delivered to Iran through overland routes and the Black Sea, not that the IRGC cares if people starve.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 03:59 PM (n5tGW)

177 There will be no honest or lasting deal with Iran, Trump knows this. They are still killing each other and as I understand it, citizens are back on the streets. Hope that means they are killing asshoes too.

He's going to attack them again, eventually. Netanyahu's got more house cleaning to finish up north before his assets can help and in the meantime Trump has some negotiating with the Saudi's over the Hezbollah's. It appears they have respect for Hezbollah. Don't understand that.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:00 PM (QtjPW)

178 Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:56 PM (Fi81e)

Yup. Congress, no Save Act, no regulation of the Courts, and voted to KEEP all the crap DOGE found.

Courts? YOLO. Constantly grabbing Power and making Policy, not legal decisions. Don't follow their OWN rules on Standing, or Jurisdiction, and there is no system to hold Judges accountable for blatant Misconduct or just plain being political.

So... Yes... because Congress through the delegation doctrine gave Courts mor power than they should have, and won't hold them accountable? And Congress is full of cretins?

We're in trouble.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 10, 2026 04:00 PM (mP0Kj)

179 Critical Drinker has a Crash and Burn story on Ruby Rose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNGeLzkTyKs

Posted by: Archimedes at June 10, 2026 04:01 PM (Riz8t)

180 168 >> Oil will be back to $70 per barrel by August.

Oh, so back into the Biden range. And now it’s August. That feels like it was June at one point. It was it “summer”?

Posted by: Marcus T at June 10, 2026 03:58 PM (klxjG)

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August is summer. I've said late summer.

And oil will continue to fall.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:01 PM (6hlNa)

181 I thought we were told last year by Trump that their nuclear program was destroyed by our stealth bombers.

Then I heard the recent strikes destroyed their nuclear capability.

And what we're hearing today is this is still being undertaken because Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

I think we obviously have to recognize there's a lot of "salesmanship" going on with all of this.

It just starts reminding me of W. Bush and me constantly trying to defend him and the Iraq War when it was clear it was being bungled.

Posted by: Sharpie at June 10, 2026 04:01 PM (deGnI)

182 171 I think since Trump has been right on several things others said couldn't be done, he thought he could get the Iranians to give up...but fanatics don't...
Posted by: zigggggy
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I don't think he did. I think it was more that Iran is bleeding out economically without its oil revenue and in the current state, unable to restart its nuke program. We can wait and have no need to engage militarily. Where the impatience comes from is people that got their hopes up that the Iranians would be free and the price of gasoline.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:01 PM (E4rtv)

183 I'm trying to cut Trump some slack here.

I think we had very credible, actionable intelligence that Iran was on the verge of a working nuclear device and we had to act immediately to prevent them from making it. I think the immediacy of the threat meant that we didn't have a good go-forward plan beyond bombing everything we had a good fix on, and that's where we are now.

Posted by: ballistic at June 10, 2026 03:57 PM (oqH4h)
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I'm always factoring in that scenario myself.

And as I have decided that Trump is my best bet for the future of this country, I'm willing to give that some weight.

But he continues to take on water, and I see nothing but standing back and waiting, because Trump isn't their "brand".

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 04:01 PM (Fi81e)

184
The billions and billions cities & near 'burbs thought they'd be getting for games attendance is not materializing.

Canada and Mexico have booked roughly 50% capacity, the US less.

Everything is political.

Someone must pay.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 10, 2026 03:59 PM (NFX2v)

Ticket pricing is astronomical. Lodging and transportation prices are astronomical. The average fan would need to mortgage their futures to come here, stay and attend games. They're not doing that.

And Americans, by in large, don't give a flying F*CK about soccer.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 04:01 PM (Zz0t1)

185 In my corner of California, gas price for Regular Unleaded was about $5.25/gallon at the local Costco this past Monday. This morning, that same Costco was $5.07. This is about the time that a California refinery would catch fire to drive the prices back up, but Newsom chased them all out of the state.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 10, 2026 03:57 PM (M0V4/)

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Life in CA just sounds awful.

I live on the NC/SC border, and it's interesting to cross into SC and see gas 40 cents cheaper everywhere.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

$3.14 at Sam's in McKinney, Tx. (Just checked)

Posted by: rickb223 at June 10, 2026 04:02 PM (Iitca)

186 Blow up everything. Bridges, power plants, water treatment, hospitals, mosques, the whole magilla.

Then cruise home without a word. Let them try to muster up a nuclear program or anything else from the rubble of their wrecked nation.

We'll be watching.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 10, 2026 04:02 PM (BI5O2)

187 This morning I read a couple of claims that there were demonstrations/riots in London, glasgow, and Edinburgh, and then-

nothing.

Anybody know anything or was this over-reporting of thirty drunk Scots plying kick the can?

Posted by: naturalfake at June 10, 2026 04:02 PM (iJfKG)

188 And oil will continue to fall.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:01 PM (6hlNa)

Yes. It's what caused my cancer as a child. All that falling oil.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 10, 2026 04:02 PM (Zz0t1)

189 > We've been shooting down their drones for weeks over the strait and they got some blind luck hitting one Apache without injuring the crew.

It's the worst American loss since Antietam, people.
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It was more than likely a mid-air collision. Missiles and gun fire bring down aircraft. Drones dive bomb into building and shit, then blow up.

It's been documented that the Apache's were downing some of the IRGC's drones with small rockets and gunfire. But it's dangerous work... flying a few dozen yards behind a wobbly drone going 120MPH. It'd be a shame if the practice was halted. It reportedly was having some success.

And the water rescue by drone boat is freaking wild.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 10, 2026 04:03 PM (jehhT)

190 I am increasingly of the opinion that we ought to do whatever it takes to get all of their nuclear material. If that means boots on the ground, make it all of them. Every boot. If they won't let us take the material, then kill everyone that stands in the way, and be prepared to.

My reasoning is that this will actually solve the Iran problem, one way or another. Either they stand aside and let us take it, in which case we can proceed with ignoring them forever, or they show up where we can see them and aim at them without hitting civilians. I don't see any better way out of this.

Posted by: SciVo at June 10, 2026 04:03 PM (Sy6m/)

191 Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:56 PM (Fi81e)

No offense taken, Axeman.

And I echo your frustration that there appears to be no way to appeal to the common sense or common decency among Congress critters, since there apparently is none.

Posted by: Emmie, celebrating 250 years of God's grace at June 10, 2026 04:03 PM (FMtrg)

192 I think you've been misreading the situation for a while.
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RBOB went under $3 yesterday.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 03:24 PM (6hlNa)

I think you are confusing a decimated economy with a decimated IRGC/Mullah.

They don't care at all about the economy. All they care about is the appearance of standing up to America and Israel so they can fight another day.

And...RBOB is over $3 today.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2026 04:04 PM (iERP6)

193 173 We aren't losing, Iran is not winning by any stretch, but I think people got hopped up on figuring those Iranian bastards of the IRGC and mullahs deserved to be toppled.

I don't think US actual strategy ever depended on that, but rather preventing nukes only.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 03:59 PM (E4rtv)

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People want to adapt the language of diplomacy to politics, and they don't mix.

All while they put up screens (oil prices) to keep them from seeing what could possibly be happening.

Iran is losing GDP massively. Internal cohesion is falling apart (not our problem the Iranian people don't have anything like an organized resistance, we can't make that for them). Inflation is sky-high.

And Trump's great concern is $3.50 per gallon gas? Which continues to fall as the strait gets more and more bypassed or used (yes, stuff is going through).

And it's because Trump threatened genocide before the ceasefire, which is definitely what he was gonna do and wasn't just speaking the language of power to get an end to hostilities so he could replace it with the noose of siege warfare.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:04 PM (6hlNa)

194 I don't think US actual strategy ever depended on that, but rather preventing nukes only.
Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 03:59 PM (E4rtv)

Thank you. A voice of reason.

There are two nitwits I have argued with in the past about Iran. They are so dumb I don't bother anymore. One insists, like she somehow knows, that they never had a nuke. When I asked how she knew or if she sat in the Situation Room she went into a snit and flounced for a month.

I no longer bother dealing with stupid people or terrorists.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 04:04 PM (WONhk)

195 August is summer. I've said late summer.

And oil will continue to fall.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Even if it doesn't and stays in the 90's, the oil price shock is a one off, not a repeated event. Markets hate surprises but are pretty good about figuring out how to get around supply shocks once the shock wears off. Gas prices around here are in the 3.50 to 3.80 range, on my recent trip across the South, as low as 3.40 or so. Not awful, not as good as before Iran but certainly not as bad as peak Biden.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:05 PM (E4rtv)

196 156 Definitely Trump's Tuco moment.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

When you have to shoot, shoot; don't talk

Posted by: Tuco at June 10, 2026 04:05 PM (JCZqz)

197 I though MP was banned. Sick bastard...

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 04:05 PM (GD0B3)

198 Ticket pricing is astronomical. Lodging and transportation prices are astronomical. The average fan would need to mortgage their futures to come here, stay and attend games. They're not doing that.

And Americans, by in large, don't give a flying F*CK about soccer.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 10, 2026 04:01 PM (Zz0t1)

True.

Most Americans will see it on TV if at all.

And mostly only the final game for the championship.

All the sissy flopping around certainly doesn't help either. If I want to see lousy theater, I'll go to Broadway.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 10, 2026 04:06 PM (iJfKG)

199 So... Yes... because Congress through the delegation doctrine gave Courts mor power than they should have, and won't hold them accountable? And Congress is full of cretins?

We're in trouble.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 10, 2026 04:00 PM (mP0Kj)
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Which is why my one hope is in the Lord.

We may rally, we may recover, we may limp back, we may limp along until we collapse.

The best of scenarios that I can see rely on the Lord. And he is my only relief in the worst of scenarios.

And I have all sorts of scenarios in my head--including--one I don't put too much weight to--Trump, himself, is a distraction, and a participant in one of the biggest WWF matches DC ever put on for us.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 04:06 PM (Fi81e)

200
I think since Trump has been right on several things others said couldn't be done, he thought he could get the Iranians to give up...but fanatics don't...
Posted by: zigggggy

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How can Trump be so naive? He's done battle with American leftists. He knows there are some people who are horrible and who can't be negotiated with.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 10, 2026 04:06 PM (n7rxJ)

201 I miss cardboard ayatollah

Posted by: H at June 10, 2026 04:06 PM (27rXu)

202 China must love the hell out of paying that 90 bucks for their oil.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 10, 2026 04:07 PM (5P5DO)

203 When you have to shoot, shoot; don't talk

Posted by: Tuco at June 10, 2026 04:05 PM (JCZqz)
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Like Frank Drebbin said.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 04:07 PM (Fi81e)

204 151 Sharpie

"the Iranian people need to step up":

The mullahs have increased the number of executions geometrically in the past month, according to exile groups which are usually reliable about such things.

HOW should unarmed civilians "step up"? You are casually calling for these unarmed people to put a noose around their own necks.

We're dealing with killers who run their executions 24/7, & who have lately PICKED UP THE PACE!

Would you "step up"? Would you invite your children to "step up"?

Posted by: mnw at June 10, 2026 04:07 PM (RCjYY)

205 165. I read that Trump ruined the Knicks game for everybody.
Posted by: Axeman

MS NOW wants us to believe.

But 'sports' ARE piling onto his - and Congress' schedule, i.e.,
Broadcast Rights and the NFL
Sports Betting and Prediction Markets
College Sports Reform and NIL
The UFC White House Event
Major League Baseball Labor Talks

FIFA is a whole different issue but the progressive hotbeds are playing it up.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 10, 2026 04:07 PM (NFX2v)

206 Where the impatience comes from is people that got their hopes up that the Iranians would be free and the price of gasoline.
Posted by: whig
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Communist media doesn't help.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:08 PM (QtjPW)

207 193 I think you are confusing a decimated economy with a decimated IRGC/Mullah.

They don't care at all about the economy. All they care about is the appearance of standing up to America and Israel so they can fight another day.

And...RBOB is over $3 today.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2026 04:04 PM (iERP6)

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I think you misunderstand my point.

Iran can't rebuild anything with GDP crashing. It can't import anything of substance because of the blockade.

I don't care if the IRGC remains in power. And I don't think Trump does either. He wants to weaken them (and take away their nukes) to such a degree that they can't be the global sponsor of terror anymore (while making America THE central hub of energy).

He's stealing their money both in terms of trade embargoes and their holdings in GCC banks (which are mostly in dollars as opposed to the worthless Iranian rial).

And the only thing Iran is holding over his head is oil prices...while oil prices continue to just...decline over time.

Trump is limited by the end of his term. He can go on forever and then just send in special forces to clean up nuclear sites in his final month. Iran has to worry about food.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:08 PM (6hlNa)

208 200 How can Trump be so naive? He's done battle with American leftists. He knows there are some people who are horrible and who can't be negotiated with.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 10, 2026 04:06 PM (n7rxJ)

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I don't think Trump actually wants a deal at all.

It's just a show.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:09 PM (6hlNa)

209 If Trump people are thinking about the effect on kickball, or July 4th...it is foolhardy. Putin took over Crimea during 2014 Olympics (granted, after Kiev's US AID concocted coup d'état ). So, No problemo, baby!

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 04:09 PM (GD0B3)

210 Life in CA just sounds awful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

It's 80F, sunny, and going back down to 56 overnight. Ain't *that* awful. We might hit mid-80's tomorrow but dropping off 10-15 degrees after that. If you are gainfully employed and manage your budget, there's a lot to enjoy. Now back to work for me.

Posted by: Dark Lixtiquatal at June 10, 2026 04:09 PM (W5mpo)

211 And the water rescue by drone boat is freaking wild.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 10, 2026 04:03 PM (jehhT)

We have no freaking idea, and I am fine with this, what power the USA military have.

About 10yrs ago I read of weapons that are still mostly unheard of. One was a weapon from space that could vaporize and turn to pink mist a single terrorist in an Iraqi market. One minute there, the next gone.Again, a decade ago.

They can find the bastards in a car and kill the one they want. They can run, they can try to hide, but eyes are on them.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 04:09 PM (WONhk)

212 204 We're dealing with killers who run their executions 24/7, & who have lately PICKED UP THE PACE!

Would you "step up"? Would you invite your children to "step up"?

Posted by: mnw at June 10, 2026 04:07 PM (RCjYY)

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This is why regime change outside of decapitation strikes is all Iran can hope for until they coalesce into a fighting force themselves.

They're waiting for us to be their saviors.

We're just there for the oil and the UE-60.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:10 PM (6hlNa)

213 202 China must love the hell out of paying that 90 bucks for their oil.
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On the world chessboard, Trump is moving more players than the middle-east.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:11 PM (QtjPW)

214 213 202 China must love the hell out of paying that 90 bucks for their oil.
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On the world chessboard, Trump is moving more players than the middle-east.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:11 PM (QtjPW)

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BUT OIL PRICES! HE'S SO DESPERATE BECAUSE OF THE OIL PRICES!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:11 PM (6hlNa)

215 You might do better proposing your own end game and what you are willing to do to be more persuasive. Trump's repeated goal is no nukes for Iran and retrieval of the enriched uranium--and that is it. He thinks he can use blockades to starve out the mullahs and prevent them from accessing the nuke dust by air strikes if need be but not going beyond that.
Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 03:51 PM (E4rtv)

I see, so I can't criticize Trump unless I flesh out my full strategic end game here in the AoS comment section. Sure that seems reasonable. My approach would not include weeks on end of saying I was about to unleash hell every few days, followed by doing nothing, then declaring a deal was about to be made, followed by nothing. How do you see that furthering Trump's objectives? Time is not on his side. Maybe you could explain that if you want to hbe more persuasive.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at June 10, 2026 04:11 PM (udRx+)

216 HOW should unarmed civilians "step up"?

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HOW is it our problem? They can step up, or not. It's their country. If they want it they should take it.

We set the table for them as neatly as could be expected. They didn't come to dinner.

Making their freedom a victory condition would be insane.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 10, 2026 04:11 PM (BI5O2)

217 The problem is some kind of fantasy that you can negotiate with the regime, 3rd level, 4th level......THEY ARE ALL THE SAME LEVEL.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 04:12 PM (GD0B3)

218 218 The problem is some kind of fantasy that you can negotiate with the regime, 3rd level, 4th level......THEY ARE ALL THE SAME LEVEL.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 04:12 PM (GD0B3)

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Eventually you get to the guy who prefers getting peed on by Saudi hookers rather than worrying about a populace that's constantly rioting because they're starving.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:12 PM (6hlNa)

219 Iranian people need to step up, but they won't.

Posted by: Sharpie at June 10, 2026 03:53 PM (deGnI)

They were told not to come back out into the streets unless called. By both POTUS and Pahlavi.

Has that happened yet and I just missed it?

Posted by: Will Robinson at June 10, 2026 04:13 PM (zBgIx)

220 =======

This is why regime change outside of decapitation strikes is all Iran can hope for until they coalesce into a fighting force themselves.

They're waiting for us to be their saviors.

We're just there for the oil and the UE-60.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror
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They should look to Ireland for example.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:13 PM (QtjPW)

221 All the sissy flopping around certainly doesn't help either. If I want to see lousy theater, I'll go to Broadway.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 10, 2026 04:06 PM (iJfKG)

If I want to watch sports players flop, I can always watch LeBron James.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 10, 2026 04:13 PM (qx7Zg)

222 Vahidi is either hiding in a hole or is dead.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 10, 2026 04:13 PM (5P5DO)

223 I don't think Trump actually wants a deal at all.

It's just a show.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:09 PM (6hlNa)
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I actually think he does, because he can put an exit marker on the matter--until Iran makes us return to it.

I predict (and predicted) Iran would know the narrow footing the rest of DC has given Trump.

It would be stupid to blame Trump for what DC gives him. He's the supreme Executive, vested with ALL executive power by the design of our system, ratified by all states. A fundamental basis.

But now, the Dems want to slap-fight through judges.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 04:13 PM (Fi81e)

224 We're dealing with killers who run their executions 24/7, & who have lately PICKED UP THE PACE!
Would you "step up"? Would you invite your children to "step up"?
Posted by: mnw at June 10, 2026 04:07 PM (RCjYY)

It is a standard pose: If they refuse to act no matter what the cost, he has no obligation to act either.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 04:14 PM (rbvCR)

225 If you have issues with high blood pressure, do not watch the video of the Metcalf family being harassed by, you know, those people, while leaving the courthouse yesterday.

Posted by: one hour sober at June 10, 2026 04:14 PM (J4Dwc)

226 220 They were told not to come back out into the streets unless called. By both POTUS and Pahlavi.

Has that happened yet and I just missed it?

Posted by: Will Robinson at June 10, 2026 04:13 PM (zBgIx)

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They're being oppressed and have been for decades. We've cause massive damage to the IRGC and Basij infrastructure and personnel.

They gotta self-start at some point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:14 PM (6hlNa)

227 I liken this to the fight between Cool Hand Luke and Dragline. I'm sure Luke thought he'd won it simply because he wouldn't give up despite being beaten to a pulp.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 10, 2026 04:14 PM (XvL8K)

228 There are two nitwits I have argued with in the past about Iran. They are so dumb I don't bother anymore. One insists, like she somehow knows, that they never had a nuke. When I asked how she knew or if she sat in the Situation Room she went into a snit and flounced for a month.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat

I think too much of it comes from bad media intake and impatience. Those that know our military's strength get impatient and want results right now--those that are ignoramuses and watch main stream media are getting the Democrat take where they haven't ever seen a war since Vietnam that they haven't wanted to lose. They essentially hate America and root for its enemies so you will never get any favorable report from them.

So, the rest of it is mainly settling in that we are not going to totally destroy the IRGC by military might, we can keep them from exploiting the nuke dust and restarting their campaign and impoverish the Iranian state pretty easily. And the price that we pay for not putting our troops at much risk is waiting and paying more for gas. That is the least we can do for those guys on the front lines.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:14 PM (E4rtv)

229 If the goal is to win, whatever you want to define as win, by economic attrition, it could be sped up greatly just the way Ukraine is doing it to Russia now. Bridges, supply routes, refineries, gas trucks, and especially every mosque. One by one, just eliminate them.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:14 PM (n5tGW)

230 Iran still has assets left. Hezbollah is one. It can still rattle the Gulf and beyond with ballistic missiles. It already rebuilt some radar capabilities, and resupplied the missiles stock during the "ceasefire". It is expanding drone technology. They are not as toothless as one might hope.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 04:14 PM (GD0B3)

231 I don't think he did. I think it was more that Iran is bleeding out economically without its oil revenue and in the current state, unable to restart its nuke program. We can wait and have no need to engage militarily. Where the impatience comes from is people that got their hopes up that the Iranians would be free and the price of gasoline.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:01 PM (E4rtv)

I think overall you are right... but
I keep wondering how/why the mullahs would care about the economy...as long as the Military folks have food/money...we heard oil wells were super fragile, couldn't be capped (for some reason) but , do they care? How many billions do they have on tap?
I wonder why Trump cares about the dust...can't we just keep an eye on the piles of crap its under? who cares unless they try to dig to get it?
And if the Kurds kept the guns for the people, why haven't we done something to them for that crime?

Posted by: zigggggy at June 10, 2026 04:15 PM (EDeJ/)

232 224 I actually think he does, because he can put an exit marker on the matter--until Iran makes us return to it.

I predict (and predicted) Iran would know the narrow footing the rest of DC has given Trump.

It would be stupid to blame Trump for what DC gives him. He's the supreme Executive, vested with ALL executive power by the design of our system, ratified by all states. A fundamental basis.

But now, the Dems want to slap-fight through judges.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 04:13 PM (Fi81e)

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I think Trump knows how much damage is being done to Iran by the blockade, that the world doesn't actually care about the issue anymore because oil has been largely redirected, and he actually has a bunch of time on his side to get what he wants.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:15 PM (6hlNa)

233 Turns out you didn't care about Iranian civilians. Not one bit.

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I have stated that bluntly since the beginning, but here it goes again: I do not and have never cared about Iranian people.

There are other things at play here, and Iranians not a priority, or at least shouldn't be.

I wish them well, and that's it.

Your crybully routine won't cut any ice with me.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 10, 2026 04:15 PM (BI5O2)

234 Would you "step up"? Would you invite your children to "step up"?

Posted by: mnw at June 10, 2026 04:07 PM (RCjYY)

This is a valid point (Sefton and I talked about it on our podcast yesterday), and I think a lot of people, including me, were overly optimistic about the Iranian people rising up.

But the Mullahs and the IRGC have had 47 years to build a terror state, and they did a good job of it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2026 04:16 PM (iERP6)

235 231 Iran still has assets left. Hezbollah is one. It can still rattle the Gulf and beyond with ballistic missiles. It already rebuilt some radar capabilities, and resupplied the missiles stock during the "ceasefire". It is expanding drone technology. They are not as toothless as one might hope.

Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 04:14 PM (GD0B3)

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According to Rubio, we destroyed most of what they rebuilt last night.

Last night.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:16 PM (6hlNa)

236 226 If you have issues with high blood pressure, do not watch the video of the Metcalf family being harassed by, you know, those people, while leaving the courthouse yesterday.

Posted by: one hour sober at June 10, 2026 04:14 PM (J4Dwc)
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I just saw a video of Karmelo's grandmother screaming RASCISTS while getting into a car. No surprise Karmelo ended up like he did with that bunch as his family. And BTW, grandma looked to be in her 40s.

Posted by: beckster at June 10, 2026 04:16 PM (kX27y)

237 It's 80F, sunny, and going back down to 56 overnight. Ain't *that* awful.

When work sent me to the Super Bowl in San Diego in '03 I didn't want to leave. That and other experiences are why I refuse to just let the Democrats have Cali, or any other city or state.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 04:16 PM (2ocoG)

238 I saw the comment about Trump’s Tuco moment and it made me think of Heisenberg walking into Tuco’s HQ and blowing the place up with a small piece of crystalline explosive that looked like meth. Boss move…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 10, 2026 04:16 PM (+gA9j)

239 Communist media doesn't help.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:08 PM (QtjPW)
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If only they kept to that: not helping.

But that's the GOP's job.

It's the media's job to tell you the the Democratic party, which has't fixed a DAMN THING in decades, would handle it better, and that Trump is failing because he's doing Trump things.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 04:17 PM (Fi81e)

240 Of course, an actual full Army invasion means going through Congress. That's the real sticking point, but just getting it debated publicly would be useful. Make Democrats go on the record as wanting to let Iran keep on holding a nuclear threat over our head.

As I have explained, I believe they're literally crazy. They think just believing hard enough can remake reality. So all they have to do be nuke-proof is believe they are, no effort needed. But most people are not crazy, and want to be actually physically safe.

So, I think that Democrats would not be able to stop themselves from going against invading Iran. Their delusion bubble would tell them that the position of wanting the American voter in danger of nuclear hellfire is a surefire political winner, since they're gnostics and incapable of understanding people who think material danger is real.

Posted by: SciVo at June 10, 2026 04:17 PM (Sy6m/)

241 Anybody know anything or was this over-reporting of thirty drunk Scots plying kick the can?

Posted by: naturalfake at June 10, 2026 04:02 PM (iJfKG)

***************
Last night I learned, again from Tousi, is that Stuttering Startled Starmer forbid the BBC and/or internet to put the video up any more of he poor man having his eyes gouged out.

Don't know what is happening today. Northen Ireland at one point during the night had men literally hunting for the special migrants, after setting fire to stuff.

I think the tipping point may be here. I hope so. About 15yrs too late.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 04:18 PM (WONhk)

242 Iran Freedom Network
Paris Free Iran Rally Expected to Draw Over 100,000 on June 20, 2026, Calling for a Democratic Republic, June 10, 2026
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Common chants -

“Woman, Life, Freedom”

Na Shah, na Mulla, khoda bedeh mo'jezeh! (Neither Shah nor Cleric, may God provide a miracle!)

Na Shah, na Rahbar, demokrasi, barabari! (Neither Shah nor Supreme Leader, democracy, equality!

Na Shah, na Ayatollah, moshkeli hal nemisheh! (Neither Shah nor Ayatollah, the problem won't be solved!)

See the problem?

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 10, 2026 04:18 PM (NFX2v)

243 233 Did you see today's inflation numbers? Oil is down a bit but inflation is just getting started. Sure, Trump is president for 2.5 more years. But he's not going to wait Iran out when inflation hits 10% and so does his approval rating.

Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage at June 10, 2026 04:15 PM (NQYjo)

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Inflation is badly measured, and it's almost entirely about how much M2 the Fed prints.

The energy part of it was a trailing gas indicator which reflects the increased gas prices from last month and not the decreased gas prices this month.

The rent measurement they use is trash, all while major metros are reporting decreased rent costs all over the place.

But, remember, Republicans need to be like Democrats and ruthlessly wield power for long-term benefits. Democrats never worry about the midterms because the long term benefits will outweigh the short term losses.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:18 PM (6hlNa)

244 I predict (and predicted) Iran would know the narrow footing the rest of DC has given Trump.

It would be stupid to blame Trump for what DC gives him. He's the supreme Executive, vested with ALL executive power by the design of our system, ratified by all states. A fundamental basis.

But now, the Dems want to slap-fight through judges.
Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 04:13 PM (Fi81e)
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Are you suggesting DC rats are feeding intel to Iran? I wouldn't put it past them. I hope they have their counter intelligence monitoring this possibility.

Posted by: WisRich at June 10, 2026 04:18 PM (G0vdT)

245 I see, so I can't criticize Trump unless I flesh out my full strategic end game here in the AoS comment section. Sure that seems reasonable. My approach would not include weeks on end of saying I was about to unleash hell every few days, followed by doing nothing, then declaring a deal was about to be made, followed by nothing. How do you see that furthering Trump's objectives? Time is not on his side. Maybe you could explain that if you want to hbe more persuasive.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA
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Well, you want to complain but fail to give out just what you would do. I can see why Trump doesn't for nat sec reasons but why not you?

Time is actually on our side because Iran is not getting any money to sustain the regime--they are totally dependent on oil revenue and these continuing attacks on the places where they banked their external resources in places like Qatar, UAE, etc. aren't inclined to give it back to the Iranians and certainly are not releasing it.

All we have to do as US consumers is pay a bit more for gasoline than we prefer, but even there, is a silver lining, those revenues are staying in the US and funding even more oil exploration and development.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:19 PM (E4rtv)

246 Fwiw, this isn't what I voted for. I voted for low fuel prices, low inflation, and low grocery prices (especially beef). Trump didn't ask me to vote for a stalemate with Iran that would raise all three in the hopes that he would get Iran's nuclear material. If he had, I may or may not have said yes. But at least it would have been an informed decision. Bomb them into oblivion, or get off the pot. Iran's leaders are the equivalent of the Japanese on Iwo Jima. There is no negotiating.

Posted by: Turn 2 at June 10, 2026 04:19 PM (Y2/Vj)

247 I just saw a video of Karmelo's grandmother screaming RASCISTS while getting into a car. No surprise Karmelo ended up like he did with that bunch as his family. And BTW, grandma looked to be in her 40s.

Men raised by single mothers are 90% of the problem with the black community. In the "you get a time machine and a gun with one bullet" scenario I've always saved a slot for LBJ.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 04:19 PM (2ocoG)

248 242 Of course, an actual full Army invasion means going through Congress. That's the real sticking point, but just getting it debated publicly would be useful. Make Democrats go on the record as wanting to let Iran keep on holding a nuclear threat over our head.

Posted by: SciVo at June 10, 2026 04:17 PM (Sy6m/)

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Clock on the War Powers Act is at 0 since hostilities have ended according to the executive, with the ceasefire.

He could send in troops for 60 days without Congressional approval.

We don't seem to be moving the hundreds of thousands of troops into the region, though, a process which takes months. So.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:20 PM (6hlNa)

249 What if we ... gassed the mosques and hospitals?

LOL

Isn't that something?
It'd be more acceptable to the world if we destroyed the buildings than if we just killed the occupants but left the structure intact.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 10, 2026 04:21 PM (73/SM)

250 I think the US is heading in a direction to be the foremost controlling entity of petroleum products on the planet if this Iran/IRGC shit is sorted out. Being in control of a huge, global market is a game changer for decades to come. The leverage we'd have on China alone would be worth it. We could likely get them stop with their shit they're pulling in our own markets, sending various pathogens here and so on.

It's with the time and effort to make that happen.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 10, 2026 04:21 PM (jehhT)

251 233 Did you see today's inflation numbers? Oil is down a bit but inflation is just getting started. Sure, Trump is president for 2.5 more years. But he's not going to wait Iran out when inflation hits 10% and so does his approval rating.

Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage

Inflation does not work that way. Basically, you get a supply shock then the cobweb theorem sets in--it decrease marginal demand, causes marginal supply to ease up and eventually you get a new equilibrium. For the most part, long term inflation is driven by excessive money being printed, not from supply shocks.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:21 PM (E4rtv)

252 Be interesting if that neo-Tudeh rally is disrupted by a Javid Shah! counter-rally.

Posted by: gKWVE at June 10, 2026 04:21 PM (gKWVE)

253 Are you suggesting DC rats are feeding intel to Iran? I wouldn't put it past them. I hope they have their counter intelligence monitoring this possibility.

Posted by: WisRich at June 10, 2026 04:18 PM (G0vdT)
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I'm not, but now that you put that thought into my head, I might.

Remember, in January 2017, John F-ing Kerry--in an ACTUAL direct violation of the Logan Act--was over IN Iran telling them they don't have to listen to Trump on Obama's sweet deal, because Trump was going to be gone soon.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 04:22 PM (Fi81e)

254 184. And Americans, by in large, don't give a flying F*CK about soccer.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer

Absolutely, 100%.

But 11 U.S. cities are hosting matches for the 2026 FIFA World Cup: Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Houston, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Miami, New York/New Jersey, Philadelphia, the San Francisco Bay Area, and Seattle.

Find the Red cities. /r

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 10, 2026 04:22 PM (NFX2v)

255 252 I think the US is heading in a direction to be the foremost controlling entity of petroleum products on the planet if this Iran/IRGC shit is sorted out. Being in control of a huge, global market is a game changer for decades to come. The leverage we'd have on China alone would be worth it. We could likely get them stop with their shit they're pulling in our own markets, sending various pathogens here and so on.

It's with the time and effort to make that happen.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 10, 2026 04:21 PM (jehhT)

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Even if it's not.

The Gulf States are laying a lot of pipeline right now (UAE started in April) to bypass the strait, all while we brought VZ extraction and exportation under our control. We have direct or indirect control of 60% of all oil production before the start of the conflict.

All while we killed China's cheap oil source of sanctioned Iran oil.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:22 PM (6hlNa)

256 I think you misunderstand my point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:08 PM (6hlNa)

I understand your point. It is incorrect.

The IRGC/Mullahs will send suicide squads of children with sidearms as their primary weapon if that's all they have.

They have one goal, and a destroyed economy is merely a complication.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2026 04:22 PM (iERP6)

257 Proportionality? About as useful as buggy whips. And besides, where in the Bible is the approval of proportionality, haters?

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 10, 2026 04:23 PM (YlWIZ)

258 I would to see a nuclear strike on Iran. Qom or whatever the shithole city's name is.

Light their asses up and I want to see if our ICBMs actually work. Plus we would get a lot of "Godzilla In Persia" movies out of it.

Posted by: Give Me The Launch Codes at June 10, 2026 04:23 PM (IqKsT)

259 258 I understand your point. It is incorrect.

The IRGC/Mullahs will send suicide squads of children with sidearms as their primary weapon if that's all they have.

They have one goal, and a destroyed economy is merely a complication.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2026 04:22 PM (iERP6)

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Can't send those children with suicide bomb vests to destroy buried UAE pipeline.

That's my point.

IRGC is going to be a rump terrorist organization while the world moves in ways that make them unable to hit them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:24 PM (6hlNa)

260
I don't think Trump actually wants a deal at all.

It's just a show.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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What does he want? What's behind the show?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 10, 2026 04:24 PM (n7rxJ)

261 This is a valid point (Sefton and I talked about it on our podcast yesterday), and I think a lot of people, including me, were overly optimistic about the Iranian people rising up.

But the Mullahs and the IRGC have had 47 years to build a terror state, and they did a good job of it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2026 04:16 PM (iERP6)
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They've had two generations of being oppressed. That doesn't get erased overnight. It's part of their internal mentality now.

Imagine if we were doing something similar in North Korea. The NoKo people would be absolutely clueless about how to stage a revolution. Worse, they'd undoubtedly side with their own military and leadership because it's bred into their cultural DNA by now.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 10, 2026 04:24 PM (gnNyN)

262 I think Trump knows how much damage is being done to Iran by the blockade, that the world doesn't actually care about the issue anymore because oil has been largely redirected, and he actually has a bunch of time on his side to get what he wants.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:15 PM (6hlNa)

I've been very critical of Trump's policy, but I've also noted that I can tell how much oil is leaking through the straits by oil prices, not by anything anyone says. And oil prices have obviously been trending down, so obviously shipments are leaking through. (as Trump confirmed today)

But at some point you've got to admit that the other side is just making a fool out of your willingness to negotiate, and it does nothing for someone's reputation to let that go on.

No rational person believes that there is even a tiny chance of negotiating any deal that Iran will live up to.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:24 PM (edUvp)

263 I see, so I can't criticize Trump unless I flesh out my full strategic end game here in the AoS comment section.
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My preferred balance is that you're more than welcome to criticize Trump, and we're welcome to ignore you unless you can point to a solution.

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 04:24 PM (Fi81e)

264 Godzilla In Persia

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First building he peels open is the cologne factory.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 10, 2026 04:24 PM (BI5O2)

265 Clock on the War Powers Act is at 0 since hostilities have ended according to the executive, with the ceasefire.

He could send in troops for 60 days without Congressional approval.

We don't seem to be moving the hundreds of thousands of troops into the region, though, a process which takes months. So.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Trump was never going to do that in any realistic sense and never promised it either. Iran is much larger in area and in population than Iraq and would require a truly massive army of occupation to root out the remnants of the IRGC and fight the inevitable insurgency and maintain logistics.

Never was in the cards. So that leaves the US with probably its best options anyway--air power and naval forces employment. And let the IRGC sit and rot while the money runs out.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:24 PM (E4rtv)

266 Plus we would get a lot of "Godzilla In Persia" movies out of it.

So, hot Persian babes getting menaced by kaiju? And they have to show their tits to defeat the monsters? Start filming immediately!

Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 04:25 PM (2ocoG)

267 What Trump wants is a "deal" he can call a victory and then get the price of oil down to spark the American economy into a hot burn. But Iran knows this is exactly what he wants, and they will never give it to him.
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Concur.

I'm hoping that Trump can get clever on this really soon, or he's going to wind up going in circles.
Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 03:30 PM (Fi81e)

We don't get a significant amount of oil from the Gulf, its all going elsewhere, China and Europe. The Negotiation is just theatre for the US Press and Democrats.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:25 PM (8avO+)

268 262
I don't think Trump actually wants a deal at all.

It's just a show.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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What does he want? What's behind the show?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 10, 2026 04:24 PM (n7rxJ)

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America to be the world's energy hegemon, degrading Iran to a point economically that they can't pay their own soldiers and we eventually just fly in with special forces and take whatever's left of their nuclear program, and weakening China.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:25 PM (6hlNa)

269 264 I've been very critical of Trump's policy, but I've also noted that I can tell how much oil is leaking through the straits by oil prices, not by anything anyone says. And oil prices have obviously been trending down, so obviously shipments are leaking through. (as Trump confirmed today)

But at some point you've got to admit that the other side is just making a fool out of your willingness to negotiate, and it does nothing for someone's reputation to let that go on.

No rational person believes that there is even a tiny chance of negotiating any deal that Iran will live up to.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:24 PM (edUvp)

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If the negotiations were in a vacuum, sure.

But, they're happening while we've blockaded 93% of their trade, shoot their drones out of the sky with small arms from helicopters over the strait, and have their major allies (Russia and China) doing nothing to help.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:27 PM (6hlNa)

270 America to be the world's energy hegemon, degrading Iran to a point economically that they can't pay their own soldiers and we eventually just fly in with special forces and take whatever's left of their nuclear program, and weakening China.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:25 PM (6hlNa)

I heard a claim that we have started arming internal forces in Iran on the down-low. We also are ripping up Hezbollah in the process without any of the usual press blowback.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:27 PM (8avO+)

271 Oman was talking about giving Iran a $12 billion loan just what? a week ago. I think Trump stopped it, but maybe it was still done secretly. And Iran has other backers based on future reserves. In any event, the IRGC is not going to go away willfully, it's a death sentence from the people.

It appears we are going the blockade route with a bomb here and there, so we'll just have to settle in and wait.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:28 PM (n5tGW)

272 America to be the world's energy hegemon, degrading Iran to a point economically that they can't pay their own soldiers and we eventually just fly in with special forces and take whatever's left of their nuclear program, and weakening China.

People forget that the whole Panama to Venezuela to Iran triple play was always about making Xi Jinpeng our bitch.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 04:28 PM (2ocoG)

273 No rational person believes that there is even a tiny chance of negotiating any deal that Iran will live up to.
Posted by: Tom Servo

That is why Trump is focused on getting the dust back, regime change was never on the cards unless the Iranians do it themselves.

Iran either gives it up or they sit and rot with no money coming in--eventually something happens internally because nuke dust in the ground is not usable as an immediate threat, and ad hoc missile launches just pisses everyone else around off, meanwhile their oil customers either make do or find alternative sellers. If Trump wants to raise the ante, bombing Kharg Island into oblivion is the next step which will destroy Iran's export capability for years perhaps, taking out power plants ditto, so we can afford to wait.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:28 PM (E4rtv)

274 271 Yeah, go with that. Go with you're not actually paying more for everything, you're imagining it.

You're going to be the last one, aren't you? The very last one at this Smart Military Blog who thinks that the war was a good idea and Trump knows what the fuck he's doing here.

Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage at June 10, 2026 04:26 PM (NQYjo)

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Sorry, but energy is actually a weak influence on inflation, which is a monetary phenomenon.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:28 PM (6hlNa)

275 IRGC is going to be a rump terrorist organization while the world moves in ways that make them unable to hit them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:24 PM (6hlNa)

And that will take more time than America has. If this drags on into 2028, we might get a President Harris (or whatever retard they run), and that has the possibility of existential effects on our country.

Eventually Iran will recover and rebuild its terror state if it isn't completely destroyed now. You are hoping that a gradual degradation of their economy and a shift away from Hormuz will be enough.

It won't be.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2026 04:28 PM (iERP6)

276 Don't know what is happening today. Northen Ireland at one point during the night had men literally hunting for the special migrants, after setting fire to stuff.

I think the tipping point may be here. I hope so. About 15yrs too late.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 04:18 PM (WONhk)

The Scottish papers were reporting riots last night, and I think things are just warming up for this evening. There was a lot of reported anger over the English kid who got knifed by the sikh, already.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 04:29 PM (rbvCR)

277 What really has to be hit isn't power plants, which would hurt the population. What has to be hit is mosques where regime leadership is hiding, because they know we won't hit them.

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He should give the world a present for his 80th birthday and give an order to bomb these. It will also make us laugh at Godless lefties defending mosques who are at the same time unconcerned about Christians being attacked throughout the world but especially in the Muslim world.

Posted by: Decaf at June 10, 2026 04:29 PM (xpP6J)

278 Oman was talking about giving Iran a $12 billion loan just what? a week ago. I think Trump stopped it, but maybe it was still done secretly. And Iran has other backers based on future reserves. In any event, the IRGC is not going to go away willfully, it's a death sentence from the people.

It appears we are going the blockade route with a bomb here and there, so we'll just have to settle in and wait.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:28 PM (n5tGW)

What good would that pile of bills do Iran? We have them blockaded, they can't spend it on anything. Its just a carrot for checking if the IGRC rump wants to take the money and flee the country.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:29 PM (8avO+)

279 274 Oman was talking about giving Iran a $12 billion loan just what? a week ago. I think Trump stopped it, but maybe it was still done secretly. And Iran has other backers based on future reserves. In any event, the IRGC is not going to go away willfully, it's a death sentence from the people.

It appears we are going the blockade route with a bomb here and there, so we'll just have to settle in and wait.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:28 PM (n5tGW)

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Who the fuck would actually give the IRGC billions of dollars in a loan right now?

I'm looking for news about this, and I can't find anything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:29 PM (6hlNa)

280 We also are ripping up Hezbollah in the process without any of the usual press blowback.

The legit Lebanese government agreeing to cooperate with the IDF to wipe out the Hezbos probably helps a lot with that.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 04:30 PM (2ocoG)

281 I heard a claim that we have started arming internal forces in Iran on the down-low. We also are ripping up Hezbollah in the process without any of the usual press blowback.
Posted by: Oldcat

Hezbollah is certainly losing massive weapons stores that are unlikely to be replaced in the short run and even the rest of the Lebanese are getting well tired of Hezbollah being around and have actually banned IRGC members under threat of arrest and deportation.

Gaza has Ham Ass continuing to be attrited.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:30 PM (E4rtv)

282 Are you suggesting DC rats are feeding intel to Iran? I wouldn't put it past them. I hope they have their counter intelligence monitoring this possibility.
Posted by: WisRich at June 10, 2026 04:18 PM (G0vdT)

There was some talk that Iran's major problem is that they are relying on the Western news for situation reports on the mood of the West.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 04:30 PM (rbvCR)

283 I have never wanted troops to invade Iran; that would be a huge folly. I have wanted Iran's ability to interfere with shipping in the Straits eliminated, and that could be done without a full land invasion.

The hardest thing that I think no one at any level really wanted to face was that any effort to seriously force a regime change was going to have to kill at least 2 - 3 million regime supporters to do it. We're not a society that can contemplate doing that kind of thing anymore.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:30 PM (edUvp)

284
All we have to do as US consumers is pay a bit more for gasoline than we prefer, but even there, is a silver lining, those revenues are staying in the US and funding even more oil exploration and development.
Posted by: whig
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We had high gas with O'bama and Biden but today it's a horror story. While not mentioning that every consecutive month there are more new jobs.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:30 PM (QtjPW)

285 Don't know what is happening today. Northen Ireland at one point during the night had men literally hunting for the special migrants, after setting fire to stuff.

I think the tipping point may be here. I hope so. About 15yrs too late.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 04:18 PM (WONhk)

The Scottish papers were reporting riots last night, and I think things are just warming up for this evening. There was a lot of reported anger over the English kid who got knifed by the sikh, already.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 04:29 PM (rbvCR)

Well Belfast has the history for some troubles, and the government can't crack down like they could on white Englishmen.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:30 PM (8avO+)

286 Who the fuck would actually give the IRGC billions of dollars in a loan right now?

Right? That would be like Subprime II: Electric Boogaloo for whoever was stupid enough to do it.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 10, 2026 04:30 PM (2ocoG)

287 Nood.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 10, 2026 04:31 PM (ExV1e)

288 Who the fuck would actually give the IRGC billions of dollars in a loan right now?

I'm looking for news about this, and I can't find anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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That seems to be distorted version of 12 billion or so in Gulf States that Iran is trying to retrieve as foreign reserves. Trump suggested that the Gulf States pay for war damages to themselves with that cash first.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:31 PM (E4rtv)

289 You're going to be the last one, aren't you? The very last one at this Smart Military Blog who thinks that the war was a good idea and Trump knows what the fuck he's doing here.
Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage at June 10, 2026 04:26 PM (NQYjo)
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Well if you're going to double down on that Trump doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, I'm going to have to ask for more proof than the problem isn't looking resolvable right now.

So, were this threat that Trump claims credible, should Trump have ignored it because it wouldn't have looked good for his domestic brand?!

Posted by: Axeman at June 10, 2026 04:31 PM (Fi81e)

290 I have never wanted troops to invade Iran; that would be a huge folly. I have wanted Iran's ability to interfere with shipping in the Straits eliminated, and that could be done without a full land invasion.
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Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:30 PM (edUvp)

How, exactly? They have concealed launchers. We are just playing out the string while they deplete that inventory.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:32 PM (8avO+)

291 Economic Fury has frozen $100 billion plus of money that the IRGC has secreted around and more is being shut down everyday. The deal with Oman went away quickly when PDT said that money would not be reimbursed to them out of the frozen assets.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 10, 2026 04:32 PM (5P5DO)

292 was some talk that Iran's major problem is that they are relying on the Western news for situation reports on the mood of the West.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 04:30 PM (rbvCR)

Of all people, the Iranians know better than this. They know what our press is, and that it has always been on their side, and lie constantly to support them. They're not going to believe their horseshit.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 10, 2026 04:32 PM (BI5O2)

293 The problem with taking out dams & the power grid, etc?

Do you think that the mullahs CARE about the suffering that would result-- for ordinary people ONLY. Not for the IRGC and its political puppets.

I suggest that the Iranian regime has a very high tolerance for other people's pain!

I'm skeptical that bombing them back to the stone age will result in the U.S. achieving its stated goals.

I think we have come to a point where it's ground troops, or the mullahs wait us out no matter WHAT we bomb.

Posted by: mnw at June 10, 2026 04:32 PM (RCjYY)

294 The mosques are the thing I would be hitting first on a Friday morning.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:32 PM (n5tGW)

295 278
And that will take more time than America has. If this drags on into 2028, we might get a President Harris (or whatever retard they run), and that has the possibility of existential effects on our country.

Eventually Iran will recover and rebuild its terror state if it isn't completely destroyed now. You are hoping that a gradual degradation of their economy and a shift away from Hormuz will be enough.

It won't be.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2026 04:28 PM (iERP6)

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Wow...so he could send in a bunch of troops in December of 2028 and take out the nuclear material with no political blowback?

I wonder if he's thought of that...

I wonder how dedicated Iranian forces will be after 2.5 years of 25% per week inflation in the face of a few dozen American choppers blared Ride of the Valkyries.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:32 PM (6hlNa)

296 Gaza has Ham Ass continuing to be attrited.
Posted by: whig
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The longer Trump holds Iran under siege the longer Netanyahu can focus on Lebanon and Gaza.
They got a plan.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:33 PM (QtjPW)

297 We had high gas with O'bama and Biden but today it's a horror story. While not mentioning that every consecutive month there are more new jobs.

Posted by: Braenyard

Yep. Economy is taking it in stride and the latest consumer surveys on inflationary expectations are more muted. Simply put, Iran's bluff on the rest of the world is petering out that it can and will end all other oil exports forever if they didn't get their way.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:33 PM (E4rtv)

298 Rooting out and stopping payment on hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud a year sure does slow down the money printing some.

It’s not nearly as good as slashing budgets to the bone everywhere, but it’s better than nothing.

Inflation would stall if Fed.gov stopped handing out money by the pallet load.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 10, 2026 04:33 PM (6ydKt)

299 163 I think it's time to take out one dam. Power, water, hydraulic damage. Let the civilians know that they need to step up. It would be years before they could bring in back online.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 10, 2026 03:56 PM (SRceu)
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Last night, for what it's worth, two reservoirs were bombed. All new ports bombed. New areas of Iran. At least two waves of bombing.

Once I am not baby sitting this angel of ours, I can focus on Tousi.

She keeps me busy altho is a total doll and the sweetest baby I have ever known. I went upstairs with her first nap and 10min later find her sitting up and happily playing in her little bed. Her siblings would have loudly yelled if they did not see me after a nap.

Therefore, last night is all I know about. I think precision strikes to vital structures, and totally different areas of both ports and inland.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 10, 2026 04:33 PM (WONhk)

300 When you hear congress whing about 12 US military deaths, that distracts for their do nothingness.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at June 10, 2026 04:34 PM (wBaIH)

301 I wonder how dedicated Iranian forces will be after 2.5 years of 25% per week inflation in the face of a few dozen American choppers blared Ride of the Valkyries.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:32 PM (6hlNa)

1. "Frottage" is a troll.

2. Islam has been fighting for 1,400 years. This is nothing to them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2026 04:34 PM (iERP6)

302 I heard a claim that we have started arming internal forces in Iran on the down-low. We also are ripping up Hezbollah in the process without any of the usual press blowback.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:27 PM (8avO+)

I'd bet that any weapons that are "disappearing" will end up in Africa, where the locals will use them on each other.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:36 PM (edUvp)

303 2. Islam has been fighting for 1,400 years. This is nothing to them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2026 04:34 PM (iERP6)

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Will they get better at fighting than when we rescued our pilot?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:37 PM (6hlNa)

304 Rational people know that Iran was abiding by the JCPOA. Then Trump pulled out of it because he didn't think it was a good deal and he thought he could negotiate a better one.
Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage
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You just outed yourself as a SCOAMF acolyte. No reason to listen to you further.

Just how do you think they got all that money to dig in their missile facilities, run nuclear enrichment facilities deep underground, etc. It was Obama's pallets of cash to bribe them which failed. Which is why the unconstitutional JCPOA never worked in the first place.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:38 PM (E4rtv)

305 Yeah, go with that. Go with you're not actually paying more for everything, you're imagining it.
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Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage at June 10, 2026 04:26 PM (NQYjo)

It doesn't matter if you disagree with reality, or if that cool economics prof of yours used to grade according to Samuelson and Nordhaus. Inflation is solely a reflection on expansion of the money supply, no matter what the money is.

Samuelson and Nordhaus were not the paragons of truth that your Econ professor put them up as. They were extolling the success of the Soviet economic system until the final edition, and the rest of their economics was based on rules of thumb, best practices developed by the Bank of England to paper over their own default since 1978, and "what ought to be"

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 04:38 PM (rbvCR)

306 A siege is a military blockade of a city or fortress aimed at forcing its surrender through attrition or assault.

The duration of a siege can vary significantly, often lasting months or even years, depending on the resources available to both the attackers and defenders.

Historically, some sieges have lasted for years, depending on the circumstances surrounding the conflict.
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Impatience is always counterproductive.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:38 PM (QtjPW)

307 If it's an economic attrition war, then do more than a blockade is my point. But man, I hate the daily we are close to a deal talk. They are not going to make a deal.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:39 PM (n5tGW)

308 Inflation would stall if Fed.gov stopped handing out money by the pallet load.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
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Yep. Especially the bags of US cash leaving the country from immigrant fraud and remittances.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:39 PM (E4rtv)

309 I wonder how dedicated Iranian forces will be after 2.5 years of 25% per week inflation in the face of a few dozen American choppers blared Ride of the Valkyries.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:32 PM (6hlNa)

Think of the North Korean model. Inflation and pay issues no longer matter to troops when they're allowed to go into ordinary peoples homes and take whatever they want, whenever they want. The people in a system like that just become cattle to be harvested by the overlords and their lackeys.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:39 PM (edUvp)

310 The mosques are the thing I would be hitting first on a Friday morning.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:32 PM (n5tGW)

The Iranian resistance is already doing that for us. Mysterious fires...

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:40 PM (8avO+)

311 200
I think since Trump has been right on several things others said couldn't be done, he thought he could get the Iranians to give up...but fanatics don't...
Posted by: zigggggy

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How can Trump be so naive? He's done battle with American leftists. He knows there are some people who are horrible and who can't be negotiated with.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 10, 2026 04:06 PM (n7rxJ)

I think he still thinks he can charm anyone, if given enough time....

Posted by: zigggggy at June 10, 2026 04:40 PM (EDeJ/)

312 Of all people, the Iranians know better than this. They know what our press is, and that it has always been on their side, and lie constantly to support them. They're not going to believe their horseshit.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 10, 2026 04:32 PM (BI5O2)

They are so much smarter than the average viewer of CNN. True.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 10, 2026 04:41 PM (rbvCR)

313 negotiate a better one.
Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage
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You just outed yourself as a SCOAMF acolyte. No reason to listen to you further.
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WAIT. He told us that in his nic.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:41 PM (QtjPW)

314 309 Think of the North Korean model. Inflation and pay issues no longer matter to troops when they're allowed to go into ordinary peoples homes and take whatever they want, whenever they want. The people in a system like that just become cattle to be harvested by the overlords and their lackeys.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:39 PM (edUvp)

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My point was wondering how effective they would be at fighting off American troops barreling in to steal their nuclear materials.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:41 PM (6hlNa)

315 "The Deal" talk drives the regime nuts.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 10, 2026 04:41 PM (5P5DO)

316 312 If it's an economic attrition war, then do more than a blockade is my point. But man, I hate the daily we are close to a deal talk. They are not going to make a deal.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:39 PM (n5tGW)

WSJ put out a rather well sourced piece either today or yesterday stating that not only has their been a lot of false "happy talk" about making a deal, the sides haven't even agreed yet on the framework of any potential deal.

Going past the two month mark of negotiations, and they're still discussing who's going be the caterer for the coffee and pastries.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:42 PM (edUvp)

317 Question for everyone who thinks that around was close to a nuclear weapon because trump says they were close to a nuclear weapon: When has trump told you the truth about Iran?

Every other day it's "we're really close, they're ready to make a deal." Every other day it's "we're going to bomb them back to the Stone age." Back in mid April it was "the strait is open and Iran will never close it again." Last year he said that iran's nuclear program was completely obliterated.

He fucking lies to you every day about Iran. But sure, believe him when he says that they're weeks away from having a nuclear bomb.

Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage at June 10, 2026 04:42 PM (CnHoi)

318 Inflation would stall if Fed.gov stopped handing out money by the pallet load.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
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Yep. Especially the bags of US cash leaving the country from immigrant fraud and remittances.
Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:39 PM (E4rtv)

Bags that Obama and Biden gave to the IRGC.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:42 PM (8avO+)

319 He fucking lies to you every day about Iran. But sure, believe him when he says that they're weeks away from having a nuclear bomb.
Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage at June 10, 2026 04:42 PM (CnHoi)

The IGRC was the one who said they were weeks away from a bomb. Trump is just taking their word for it.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:43 PM (8avO+)

320 My point was wondering how effective they would be at fighting off American troops barreling in to steal their nuclear materials.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:41 PM (6hlNa)

Going in under fire won't work under any circumstances, not as long as there is a single drone left in Iran. The Ukraine war has demonstrated that if you are on the surface and can be seen, you can be killed by a small hunter killer drone, and any attempt to send troops in to grab the dust would be met by hundreds of those every day. There's no effective defense against them yet. (which is why Russia's offensive is totally stalled out)

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:44 PM (edUvp)

321
WAIT. He told us that in his nic.

Posted by: Braenyard
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Slow today.

Posted by: whig at June 10, 2026 04:45 PM (E4rtv)

322 WSJ put out a rather well sourced piece either today or yesterday stating that not only has their been a lot of false "happy talk" about making a deal, the sides haven't even agreed yet on the framework of any potential deal.

Going past the two month mark of negotiations, and they're still discussing who's going be the caterer for the coffee and pastries.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:42 PM (edUvp)

I'd believe the IRGC before the WSJ and their Deep State sources.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:45 PM (8avO+)

323 316
WSJ put out a rather well sourced piece either today or yesterday stating that not only has their been a lot of false "happy talk" about making a deal, the sides haven't even agreed yet on the framework of any potential deal.

Going past the two month mark of negotiations, and they're still discussing who's going be the caterer for the coffee and pastries.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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It is acceptable to say that Trump hasn't been really straight with us about iran's willingness to make a deal.

But if I were to phrase it as "Gee, Trump lies a lot, doesn't he? I would be diagnosed with Trump Derangement Syndrome

Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage at June 10, 2026 04:45 PM (T33xf)

324 I am content with the siege and higher gas prices.
I am ill content with Thune and congress.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:46 PM (QtjPW)

325 The diplomatic talks are failure theater and have been since the end of open hostilities. The important thing is the blockade. It's killing Iran's economy. They're dealing with 25% inflation per week. Their trade is down 93%. They're losing $450 million per day.
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Blockades only seem to matter to people that have been duped into believing in free trade.

Most of a nation's economy is internal.

Posted by: Methos at June 10, 2026 04:46 PM (vSvIl)

326 Kerry bumfucked around for almost two years with JOPAC agreement.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 10, 2026 04:46 PM (5P5DO)

327 The not so secret "Big Secret" about nuclear weapons is that they're not that hard to build, IF you have the fissile material. Getting enough enriched uranium (or plutonium) is the only really hard part, various designs have been publicly available for years.

So when any country gets close to getting together enough fissile material, then yeah they're about to build a bomb.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:47 PM (edUvp)

328 325 Blockades only seem to matter to people that have been duped into believing in free trade.

Most of a nation's economy is internal.

Posted by: Methos at June 10, 2026 04:46 PM (vSvIl)

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25% of Iran's imports were food.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:49 PM (6hlNa)

329 How can Trump be so naive? He's done battle with American leftists. He knows there are some people who are horrible and who can't be negotiated with.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 10, 2026 04:06 PM (n7rxJ)

I think he still thinks he can charm anyone, if given enough time....
Posted by: zigggggy at June 10, 2026 04:40 PM (EDeJ/)

When he gets tired of charm, he can have Israel or someone put a missile into whoever is the IRGC leader of the week

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:49 PM (8avO+)

330 319
The IGRC was the one who said they were weeks away from a bomb. Trump is just taking their word for it.
Posted by: Oldcat
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Not a very smart decision, believing those guys, was it?

Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage at June 10, 2026 04:49 PM (T33xf)

331 You can only go so far with that. North Korea turned itself into a state that relies on internal production. The mullahs are dreaming of that type of country. If they wait Trump out, which is what they are trying to do, we will see a cra-cray with a nuke.
Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (GD0B3)

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North Korea is China's dog on a leash that is let loose when needed.

Posted by: Decaf at June 10, 2026 04:49 PM (xpP6J)

332 I'd believe the IRGC before the WSJ and their Deep State sources.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:45 PM (8avO+)

That's an interesting position to take, because almost daily the IRGC, on their official channel, has directly contradicted everything Trump has said about the negotiations.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:50 PM (edUvp)

333 The not so secret "Big Secret" about nuclear weapons is that they're not that hard to build, IF you have the fissile material. Getting enough enriched uranium (or plutonium) is the only really hard part, various designs have been publicly available for years.

So when any country gets close to getting together enough fissile material, then yeah they're about to build a bomb.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:47 PM (edUvp)

and the enriched stuff is too hot for use in a reactor for power purposes, it has no use for anything else but a bomb.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:50 PM (8avO+)

334 ======

25% of Iran's imports were food.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at June 10, 2026 04:49 PM (6hlNa)
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Extend the blockade to incoming rail, the Caspian area and any other supply line.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:52 PM (QtjPW)

335 The U.S. Central Command stated it allows the passage of humanitarian food and medical supplies, but the general blockade and conflict have severely disrupted global supply chains.

Russia has delivered humanitarian aid, including 150 metric tons of food and over 300 metric tons of medicine, via rail and truck through the Astara border crossing in Azerbaijan as of late March 2026

The blockade is going to take some time to have a destabilizing effect.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:52 PM (n5tGW)

336 The IGRC was the one who said they were weeks away from a bomb. Trump is just taking their word for it.
Posted by: Oldcat
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Not a very smart decision, believing those guys, was it?
Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage at June 10, 2026 04:49 PM (T33xf)

Telling us was the real stupid thing. That got their leadership all mostly dead.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:52 PM (8avO+)

337 Not a very smart decision, believing those guys, was it?
Posted by: Assistant Secretary of Frottage at June 10, 2026 04:49 PM (T33xf)

If a thug steps into your building and says he's got a pistol in his pocket and he's going to take it out and shoot you, should you pay attention to him, or should you say "naah, he's just kidding." ???

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:52 PM (edUvp)

338 Russia has delivered humanitarian aid, including 150 metric tons of food and over 300 metric tons of medicine, via rail and truck through the Astara border crossing in Azerbaijan as of late March 2026

The blockade is going to take some time to have a destabilizing effect.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:52 PM (n5tGW)

100 Tons of food should set up Teheran up until lunchtime, maybe.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:53 PM (8avO+)

339 You can only go so far with that. North Korea turned itself into a state that relies on internal production. The mullahs are dreaming of that type of country. If they wait Trump out, which is what they are trying to do, we will see a cra-cray with a nuke.
Posted by: runner at June 10, 2026 03:32 PM (GD0B3)

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North Korea is China's dog on a leash that is let loose when needed.
Posted by: Decaf at June 10, 2026 04:49 PM (xpP6J)

North Koreans routinely flee the country because the population is starving.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 10, 2026 04:55 PM (8avO+)

340 The IRGC said they have slapped the shit out of us humiliated our military and won every battle.

Believe that too, Tom ?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 10, 2026 04:55 PM (5P5DO)

341 Extend the blockade to incoming rail, the Caspian area and any other supply line.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 10, 2026 04:52 PM (QtjPW)

The Caspian area! HA! Because Russia is such a good friend and is so eager to help us out?

But twice that amount is coming in over the new rail and road border crossings being operated by our "Good Friend" Pakistan, the ones who are helping us out so much in these negotiations.

Iran has no fear of food shortages from any blockade. Pakistan, Russia, and China have found ways to ship in more than enough for them to get by. And don't you dare say anything mean about Pakistan and their support of Iran, Trump swears they can be completely trusted.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 10, 2026 04:56 PM (edUvp)

342 Ok well I guess we are just days away from Iran collapsing then.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2026 04:56 PM (n5tGW)

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