Left-wing Terrorist Set Fire to the Palisades to Honor the Democrats' Murderer-Hero, Luigi Mangione

Alleged Palisades arsonist became 'fixated' with Luigi Mangione, said blaze started 'out of resentment of the rich': prosecutors
The deranged firebug accused of igniting the devastating Palisades Fire had become "fixated" on Luigi Mangione in the lead-up to the deadly blaze -- and then allegedly suggested the inferno was started out of "resentment of the rich," prosecutors said.
Jonathan Rinderknecht, 30, was obsessed with the accused health care CEO killer and had routinely searched "free Luigi Mangione" and "lets take down all the billionaires" online, court documents show.
In the weeks and hours before allegedly sparking the blaze that triggered the catastrophic Palisades Fire, Rinderknecht -- who worked as an Uber driver -- ranted to customers about Mangione's arrest, too.
"Many of defendant's Uber passengers on December 31, 2024 and January 1, 2025, described defendant as angry, intense, driving erratically, and ranting about being 'pissed off at the world' and Luigi Mangione, capitalism, and vigilantism," prosecutors noted in a trial memorandum.
When asked why someone would ultimately set the blaze, Rinderknecht allegedly responded that it "would be out of resentment of the rich enjoying their money as 'we're basically being enslaved by them' and compared such an act of 'desperation' to the murder for which Mangione was charged," according to the memo.

He murdered 12 people and caused hundreds of billions of damage.

More at Instapundit.

This should hit a bit different now that court documents show the fire Burr was talking about was set by another Luigi Mangione fan. Bill promoted the exact ideology that led to 12 being killed & sucked up to the Dems for their crappy response https://t.co/6gABtZ7KtX
— Sean Fitzgerald (Actual Justice Warrior) (@IamSean90) May 5, 2026

Meanwhile, young stupid "students" continuing agitating for political violence and calling for assassins to "stop missing" Trump.

Moron podcaster Charlamagne the Idiot also justifies violence.

💥NEW: Andrew Schulz *CALLS OUT* Charlamagne for “JUSTIFYING” WHCD assassination attempt on Trump💥

CHARLAMAGNE: “Some of these policies have hurt people so much that some folks are willing to risk it all.”

SCHULZ: “Well, now you’re justifying it … It’s plain and simple.” pic.twitter.com/sRBNea7SyZ
— Jason Cohen 🇺🇸 (@JasonJournoDC) May 3, 2026

We'll see if they hold to that opinion when the big bad right begins agreeing with them.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 04:36 PM

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1 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at May 06, 2026 04:36 PM (LdBR/)

2 2nd?

Posted by: Thanatopsis at May 06, 2026 04:36 PM (LdBR/)

3 3rd!

Posted by: Thanatopsis at May 06, 2026 04:36 PM (LdBR/)

4 Nooding

Posted by: Thanatopsis at May 06, 2026 04:36 PM (LdBR/)

5 Nodded.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 06, 2026 04:36 PM (FPotH)

6 Reopen the asylums. There is too much crazy on the loose.

Posted by: huerfano at May 06, 2026 04:37 PM (VJX5o)

7 Nooded.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 06, 2026 04:37 PM (FPotH)

8 Lots of noodie patooties here.

Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 04:37 PM (Dd38x)

9 Afternoon.

Posted by: Robert at May 06, 2026 04:38 PM (Gq5ke)

10 But muh both sides.

Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2026 04:38 PM (YwEeS)

11 It's going to take Hercules restraint not to punch someone who tells me "both sides need to cool the rhetoric."

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 06, 2026 04:38 PM (aZm/F)

12 It awesome how according to the left the assassination attempts are staged AND they wish the assassins had better aim.

Posted by: Heroq at May 06, 2026 04:39 PM (5Yz+T)

13 Dead comedians are so under-rated.

Both ways....

Posted by: Stateless - He ain't heavy, he's my dog. at May 06, 2026 04:40 PM (Sco7b)

14 Obama is responsible for the insurance company grift.

Posted by: Dirac_Delta at May 06, 2026 04:40 PM (J0zyr)

15 Working class hero, son of a dentist, Bill Burr.

Posted by: mr tmz at May 06, 2026 04:41 PM (rJ48h)

16 I vote for execution by fire. Start with kindling at the base and slowly put on more fuel.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 06, 2026 04:42 PM (abIsI)

17 9 Afternoon.
Posted by: Robert at May 06, 2026 04:38 PM (Gq5ke)

Robert- “I saw it was Piper. Oh.” What does that even mean? I am a little scared to ask, but here I am.

Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 04:42 PM (Dd38x)

18 OK eat the rich.

Now what?

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at May 06, 2026 04:43 PM (wBaIH)

19 I haven't heard anybody mention how much the WHCD shooter cost everyone involved.

Posted by: fd at May 06, 2026 04:43 PM (vFG9F)

20 >>>15 Working class hero, son of a dentist, Bill Burr.

lol, I didn't know that.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2026 04:43 PM (1wjle)

21
So I suppose you're all wondering:

4 Brown Trout caught, 1 Brookie.

"Raw dogging" in fishing parlance refers to an unbaited lure. In oyster houses it means oysters without all the crap they thow on top and stick under a broiler.

Posted by: Auspex at May 06, 2026 04:44 PM (Y8DZL)

22 Afternoon.
Posted by: Robert at May 06, 2026 04:38 PM (Gq5ke)

Robert- “I saw it was Piper. Oh.” What does that even mean? I am a little scared to ask, but here I am.
Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 04:42 PM (Dd38x)

Whuh? So you can be summoned? Does one need a ouiji board for that?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 06, 2026 04:44 PM (zafwz)

23
If you don't like homicide, don't kill anyone.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 06, 2026 04:44 PM (HdYcL)

24 1) I thought it was global warming.

2) Rinderneckt? Really? Lol.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at May 06, 2026 04:46 PM (zZu0s)

25 The rich are usually the smartest, hard working and disciplined.

That's why the stupid, lazy and careless hate them.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at May 06, 2026 04:46 PM (wBaIH)

26 22 Afternoon.
Posted by: Robert at May 06, 2026 04:38 PM (Gq5ke)

Robert- “I saw it was Piper. Oh.” What does that even mean? I am a little scared to ask, but here I am.
Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 04:42 PM (Dd38x)

Whuh? So you can be summoned? Does one need a ouiji board for that?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 06, 2026 04:44 PM (zafwz)

She has become 'She who cannot be named'!

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 06, 2026 04:47 PM (mP0Kj)

27 Left-wing Terrorist Set Fire to the Palisades
.......

He dropped the roach.

Posted by: wth at May 06, 2026 04:47 PM (UjdFS)

28 Funny how the left doesn't blame Barack for the health insurance fiasco.

Posted by: You Can Keep Your Doctor at May 06, 2026 04:47 PM (mC7bQ)

29 Bill Burr now keeps his nuts in a jar at home since he married his leftist wife. Too bad he was funny at one time

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 06, 2026 04:47 PM (gu0hJ)

30 Robert- “I saw it was Piper. Oh.” What does that even mean? I am a little scared to ask, but here I am.
Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 04:42 PM (Dd38x)

Oh, I meant that as I was reading your comment I assumed I was reading a dude's comment.

You are not a dude. DOH!

Posted by: Robert at May 06, 2026 04:47 PM (Gq5ke)

31 Rinderknecht allegedly responded that it "would be out of resentment of the rich enjoying their money as 'we're basically being enslaved by them'

Right. But for Elon Musk et al., he'd be Presidential stock. Or a lowly but reasonable seven-figure millionaire.

It's only reasonable that you would unleash an inferno. It's the humane thing to do.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at May 06, 2026 04:48 PM (oji8u)

32

I can only see that grinning pumpkinhead moron Karen Bass when I see the word "Palisades".

That idiot killed people and ruined lives and she's walking around with a bog fat face looking like a split watermelon.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz PhD Esq at May 06, 2026 04:48 PM (et1vG)

33 28 Left-wing Terrorist Set Fire to the Palisades
.......

He dropped the roach.
Posted by: wth at May 06, 2026 04:47 PM (UjdFS)

And I'll be they will still vote Demoncrat.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 06, 2026 04:49 PM (mP0Kj)

34 Mr. Rinderknecht didn’t understand dear Luigi is not from the ghet- toe?

Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 04:49 PM (Dd38x)

35 If you don't like homicide, don't kill anyone.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

I should be writing this shit down!

Posted by: MkY at May 06, 2026 04:49 PM (q6tQZ)

36 It always amazes me that most gripes about insurance companies are made by people that never took the time to understand the actual definition of "insurance."

It's not an end all catch all item. It is a Safety net item. There are conditions, exclusions, obligations of mitigation etc. And those that complain likely never took the time to read the policy to have advance knowledge of what they are paying for. Instead, they very immaturely assume falsely that everything will be paid for.

Posted by: Orson at May 06, 2026 04:49 PM (dIske)

37 Foreign nationals are going to set this country on fire without even having to fire a shot.

Maybe we can also get them to fight fires.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at May 06, 2026 04:49 PM (D1E+2)

38 I watched that short clip of Burr. Was he trying to say that it wasn't mismanaged? I don't think there is any question that it was mismanaged.

I don't know if his insurance is not paying him full price to replace his house, but if it is taking a long time, that is CA bureaucracy (very well outlined by Adam Corrolla).

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 06, 2026 04:49 PM (aZm/F)

39 Charlamange thinks federal jobs is the ticket.
Everyone should have a federal job.
Many have federal jobs that require them to sit on their fat asses, eat doritoes, watch the View and talk on their ObamaPhones.

We need more federal jobs.

We are rocketing into the second great industrial revolution and these ignorant fools are upset that their corruption is being disrupted. How dare we try to balance our checkbooks.

There's a place for all these EX federal workers and it's not in our society.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 06, 2026 04:49 PM (koh6z)

40
BILL BURR

Who needs comedy when I can spew out angry bitter argle-bargle?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 06, 2026 04:50 PM (iJfKG)

41

One of the plot points of Crichton's State of Fear was that environuts would cause environmental disasters so they could blame them on global warming.

I wonder if that fed into this as well?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 06, 2026 04:50 PM (sKqQm)

42 @6.Reopen asylums. There is to much crazy on the loose.

Sadly a lot of that crazy is elected. I can't believe some of these people are put in a place of trust. So much of this country is in real trouble.

Posted by: Case at May 06, 2026 04:50 PM (9lqZe)

43 You are not a dude. DOH!
Posted by: Robert at May 06, 2026

Oh, okay! Thank you.

And now back to the scary people on the left.

Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 04:51 PM (Dd38x)

44 Where fires glow and men plunder.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 06, 2026 04:51 PM (Cqx++)

45 Heh! Still chuckling over the Senate leader in VA getting in hot water over her various scams. Even better, the Feds had been investigating her even before BADORANGEMAN's second term. Heh!! Let the rubble bounce!!

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at May 06, 2026 04:52 PM (sAmhv)

46
You are not a dude. DOH!
Posted by: Robert at May 06, 2026

____________

I'd start to wonder about the Sunday ONT Fashion Section.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 06, 2026 04:52 PM (HdYcL)

47 CHARLAMAGNE: “Some of these policies have hurt people so much that some folks are willing to risk it all.”

How many people died because of Biden's clot shot policies? How many died because of his lock downs? How many were harmed by his cancellations of dissidents?

The left needs to learn that this is a two way street. Either violence isn't ok or the leaders of the left need to get every bit of what they are unleashing on the right

Posted by: 18-1 at May 06, 2026 04:52 PM (sKqQm)

48 "Mai Kia Vang-Moua, 54, Maysy Moua, 59, and Kee Moua, 33, were arrested for shooting a boy's pet pig after it escaped it's pen.

Garrett's father Matt Cox said he heard a gunshot shortly after and the family followed the sound to their neighbors' home.

They claimed they found Bootsy dead beside a pot of boiling water and the neighbors wearing aprons which lead them to believe they planned to eat Bootsy."

Posted by: They're eating the pets! at May 06, 2026 04:52 PM (vFG9F)

49
One of the plot points of Crichton's State of Fear was that environuts would cause environmental disasters so they could blame them on global warming.

I wonder if that fed into this as well?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 06, 2026 04:50 PM (sKqQm)

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Exactly like SPLC.

I think the horrific fires in Canada were started by enviro weirdos.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 06, 2026 04:52 PM (aZm/F)

50 One of the plot points of Crichton's State of Fear was that environuts would cause environmental disasters so they could blame them on global warming.

I wonder if that fed into this as well?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 06, 2026 04:50 PM (sKqQm)
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I bet the SPLC is behind that as well...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 06, 2026 04:53 PM (gnNyN)

51 So a radical set the fire. But the fire department walked away from it. There was a fire and and the fire dept. was there and they didn't put it completely out.
Why?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 06, 2026 04:53 PM (koh6z)

52
Okay, I've got a pentagram drawn on the floor surrounded by a ring of table salt....

Now, how exactly do I summon Piper?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 06, 2026 04:54 PM (iJfKG)

53 47 The rich are usually the smartest, hard working and disciplined.

Bullshit.

The Bush clan are amongst the richest. As are, still, the Kennedy clan. And Al Gore ain't clipping coupons. You think the Clintons are just that smart ?

What you just told is that old lie that Life is a Meritocracy. And yet, you wonder why your Political Party isn't 50 points ahead.
Posted by: Color Me Shocked at May

What do you consider rich, and how do you think people get there?

Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 04:56 PM (hftzA)

54 Now, how exactly do I summon Piper?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 06, 2026 04:54 PM (iJfKG)
__________________________

Wear White pants before Memorial Day.

Posted by: Orson at May 06, 2026 04:57 PM (dIske)

55
Burr's podcast was the #1 bar drinking contest choice at the Driftwood a couple years ago, take a drink every time he dropped a f-bomb.

Posted by: Auspex at May 06, 2026 04:57 PM (Y8DZL)

56 It's not an end all catch all item. It is a Safety net item. There are conditions, exclusions, obligations of mitigation etc. And those that complain likely never took the time to read the policy to have advance knowledge of what they are paying for. Instead, they very immaturely assume falsely that everything will be paid for.
Posted by: Orson at May 06, 2026 04:49 PM (dIske)

In Oregon employers are required to provide insurance for any full time employee, so a lot of employers have few full time employees and a lot of employees that work 30 or so hours a week. And to make ends meet they get to work multiple jobs, some working 60 hour weeks with no overtime pay.

Because the State of Oregon, as embodied by the Governor, Legislature and Judiciary love them and want them to not be treated as slaves.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 06, 2026 04:58 PM (rbvCR)

57 55
Okay, I've got a pentagram drawn on the floor surrounded by a ring of table salt....

Now, how exactly do I summon Piper?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 06, 2026

Start by asking yourself if you really, really want to do this! lol

Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 04:58 PM (hftzA)

58 54 So a radical set the fire. But the fire department walked away from it. There was a fire and and the fire dept. was there and they didn't put it completely out.
Why?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 06, 2026 04:53 PM (koh6z)
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The Palisades was a re-kindle of the Lockman fire the previous day or so. Very similar to the 1991 Oakland Hills fire I lived through - there was a small fire the previous day and it, too, re-kindled in the high winds Sunday morning.

Posted by: beckster at May 06, 2026 04:58 PM (kX27y)

59 >>Now, how exactly do I summon Piper?

Kale

Posted by: garrett at May 06, 2026 04:59 PM (Lu7y1)

60 We all know this problem is on "both sides".

(As JJ would say, the Far Left and the Far Far Left)

Posted by: Cray Cray at May 06, 2026 04:59 PM (nCTkv)

61 hey sorry have something fun for Quick Hits maybe?

ice cream eating badass Philly here up in here:

x.com/jorilextera/status/2051833599138124013

Posted by: BlackOrchid (j+aD2) at May 06, 2026 04:59 PM (j+aD2)

62 here=HERO

Posted by: BlackOrchid (j+aD2) at May 06, 2026 05:00 PM (j+aD2)

63 What you just told is that old lie that Life is a Meritocracy. And yet, you wonder why your Political Party isn't 50 points ahead.
Posted by: Color Me Shocked at May

Dude, thank you for reminding me. How did your vagina microbiome assay come out? Was it A-OK or did it turn out as we all suspected, and the MD had to give you an Rx for "less sand"?

Posted by: Kindltot at May 06, 2026 05:00 PM (rbvCR)

64 Lefties think medical insurance is like Safelite auto glass.

Posted by: Accomack at May 06, 2026 05:00 PM (/Chlc)

65 how exactly do I summon Piper?

Posted by: naturalfake

The Pied Piper summons you ... just sayin'

Posted by: Adriane the Critic Just Being Critical, Again . . . at May 06, 2026 05:01 PM (3ZUWJ)

66 I feel bad for guys like Carolla and Pratt, but we're talking about 0.001% of people in the Palisades. The vast majority of these people are filthy rich elite Leftists whose homes got torched by the Leftist monster baby they helped create - and given how many of them are in tech and media, it's likely that a flat out majority were *instrumental* in creating him.

They created the NPCs as a weapon against me and mine, and I can't bring myself to shed a tear for these mongrels when the weapon backfires. Release the little fucker, on condition that he wears an ankle bracelet that confines him to a wealthy SoCal enclave.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 06, 2026 05:01 PM (BI5O2)

67 *makes note to steal 'vaginal microbiome'*

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at May 06, 2026 05:02 PM (zZu0s)

68 What do you consider rich, and how do you think people get there?
Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 04:56 PM (hftzA)

I hate to give the left any credit for their cynical view of wealth creation, but since doge, and our own eye-opening revelations about widespread grift and graft over every strata of society, I'm not sure the old paradigm is still more true than untrue.
*wonders if he said that right, or needs more coffee*

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 06, 2026 05:02 PM (zafwz)

69 So a radical set the fire. But the fire department walked away from it. There was a fire and and the fire dept. was there and they didn't put it completely out.
Why?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 06, 2026 04:53 PM (koh6z)

I can answer that. LAFD first wanted to bulldoze the burn area but were ordered not to because of the presence of an endangered weed. That's right, and endangered...weed...

They then wanted to post a shovel crew overnight, but were ordered out of the area because the county didn't want to pay for OT.

The arsonist started the fire, that much is clear. If there were any adults running LA instead of commies and lesbos, he'd be looking at a misdemeanor and a fine, after pleading down the arson charge...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at May 06, 2026 05:03 PM (nbLIj)

70 The rich are usually the smartest, hard working and disciplined.

Bullshit.

Wealth in America is a mix of:

What you started with
Luck
Your ability to generate value for other people

For any rich or poor person you can find a mix of these factors. Leftists pretend only the first two matter...which is why socialist societies stagnate.

And in fairness on the right I think we sometimes ascribe too much to the last point

But most importantly from the perspective of society if you make sure people are well rewarded for generating value - few regulations, low taxes - then society gets more goods and services.

This is almost a Pascal's wager type thing. Assume most fairly gotten wealth (eg not government grifting) is the result of hard/smart work and everyone will be wealthier for it. Assume that it is all luck and stealing from the poor and we will all be poorer

Posted by: 18-1 at May 06, 2026 05:04 PM (sKqQm)

71 "If you see a guy - or a gal - that risked their money and hit it big first generation in anything ? A coffee shop. Tanning beds. Whatever. Well ... that person, first of all, got somewhat lucky. "

Luck does not play a big a factor as dedication, hard work, and picking the right business in the first place.

Posted by: fd at May 06, 2026 05:04 PM (vFG9F)

72 Hopefully will at least get his fingers burned, but then California just letva Muslim kill a elderly Jewish man and got 1 year

Posted by: Skip at May 06, 2026 05:05 PM (Ia/+0)

73 Get the commie nutso and friends to set the controlled burns that aren't being done. Get a few years under your belt and the problem will become more manageable as the glut of fuel dissipates.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 06, 2026 05:05 PM (w/O5Q)

74 The CA Supreme Court argument I want to watch is next. The current one couldn't be any more boring.

Posted by: Dark Litigator at May 06, 2026 05:05 PM (W5mpo)

75 I have often said you make your own luck.

Posted by: fd at May 06, 2026 05:05 PM (vFG9F)

76 Personally I would give him a ride in a helicopter over a volcano

Posted by: Skip at May 06, 2026 05:05 PM (Ia/+0)

77 I wish people would not feed the trolls.

Posted by: Will Robinson at May 06, 2026 05:06 PM (zBgIx)

78 76 Hopefully will at least get his fingers burned, but then California just letva Muslim kill a elderly Jewish man and got 1 year
Posted by: Skip at Ma
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Yeah, that older gentleman in Thousand Oaks, punched by a Muslim college instructor. Prosecution wanted the max of 4 years but the judge said 'because it was an accident', he just ruled for one year. Disgusting.

Posted by: beckster at May 06, 2026 05:06 PM (kX27y)

79 Hang him.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 06, 2026 05:07 PM (K4sOd)

80 Do you want to put a dollar figure on "rich"?

Posted by: fd at May 06, 2026 05:07 PM (vFG9F)

81 Some folks just don't get it.

Posted by: fd at May 06, 2026 05:09 PM (vFG9F)

82 Do you think Bill Gates and the Steve Jobs family have all that cash because they were smart and honest ?
Posted by: Color Me Shocked at May

Talk to me about Elon Musk. I still don’t know what you consider rich.

Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 05:09 PM (hftzA)

83 "Do you want to put a dollar figure on "rich"?"

Not Dollars but cows. I've heard that if you have more than one cow, you are rich.

Posted by: Will Robinson at May 06, 2026 05:09 PM (zBgIx)

84 Do you want to put a dollar figure on "rich"?
Posted by: fd at May 06, 2026 05:07 PM (vFG9F)

Anyone with 1000 bucks more than me.

Posted by: OneEyedJack gets jealous quickly at May 06, 2026 05:09 PM (zafwz)

85 80 Do you want to put a dollar figure on "rich"?
Posted by: fd

Also, what part of the country are you in. Rich in NoVA is different than rich in Altoona, PA.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at May 06, 2026 05:09 PM (sAmhv)

86
Do you think Bill Gates and the Steve Jobs family have all that cash because they were smart and honest ?

Posted by: Color Me Shocked at May 06, 2026 05:02 PM (lZjR5)

_____________

How much Astor or Vanderbilt money is still around? Fortunes frequently dissipate or their basis gets overtaken.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 06, 2026 05:09 PM (HdYcL)

87 Oh the mouthy ignorant bigot returns. That's nice.

Friend who's very experienced retired CalFire confirms that the crews who followed up on initial fire didn't do SOP (i.e. they effed up, big time). This was the fire set by the insect under discussion.

And there's a lot of ignorance and false understandings about the fire. Much of it took place under conditions where the only "tactic" is evacuation, there is no "fighting" it. And circumstances were a perfect storm of sorts for that area. Huge excess demand for water, all at the same time, modern plumbing (every property with plastic piping becomes a "leak"), and up-slope location of much of the area = serious water resource issue.

The politicos and voters are variously just as absurd, unfit, stupid, and vile as they appear. But the fire story goes far beyond them.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 06, 2026 05:10 PM (U/Byj)

88 The left - let's fuck with health care to drive people into insurance and intentionally make it more expensive so that people will ultimately let us enact our wet dream of government provided health insurance.

Also the left - let's kill these people who run the companies we forced everyone to use while also intentionally driving up their prices.

Posted by: DPICM at May 06, 2026 05:10 PM (zweKz)

89 I don't consider myself rich but I suppose some might. I'm more concerned about being happy than rich.

Posted by: fd at May 06, 2026 05:10 PM (vFG9F)

90 FoxNews - the Five
MS Now - the economy sucks
CNN - another Democrat critic of Trump targetted by the FBI

Posted by: Stateless - He ain't heavy, he's my dog at May 06, 2026 05:10 PM (Sco7b)

91 The wealthy are that way due to intelligence, hard work or luck. To be born that way is luck. But people like the Kennedys, the Bushes, the Clintons got that way by being smart and knowing how to play the system. Even criminals such as cartels are smart because they fill a niche , albeit a dangerous one.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 06, 2026 05:11 PM (gu0hJ)

92 I saw on a lefty forum they have suggested taking FOXN clips and using AI to make the hosts recite leftist talking points and sharing that with their family

These people are EVIL

Posted by: 18-1 at May 06, 2026 05:12 PM (sKqQm)

93 I think their definition of "hurt" and mine differ pretty wildly.

Posted by: The Whine Guy at May 06, 2026 05:14 PM (k8xm0)

94 Can you deep fry the Rich?

Posted by: pawn at May 06, 2026 05:15 PM (+rSJz)

95 Hot take (so to speak): Rinderknecht (allegedly) set the Palisades fire by burning a Bible on a trail up there. Since Democrats are no longer against blasphemy laws, but have become red-green "Islamunists" in favor of both revolutionary Marxism and Sharia, I favor bringing back Christian blasphemy laws. If found guilty, he should be burned at the stake.

Posted by: SciVo at May 06, 2026 05:15 PM (Sy6m/)

96 87 Oh the mouthy ignorant bigot returns. That's nice.
Friend who's very experienced retired CalFire confirms that the crews who followed up on initial fire didn't do SOP (i.e. they effed up, big time). This was the fire set by the insect under discussion.

Well, to be fair, they were ordered off the fire. Probably because of overtime issues.

Posted by: The Whine Guy at May 06, 2026 05:15 PM (k8xm0)

97 They then wanted to post a shovel crew overnight, but were ordered out of the area because the county didn't want to pay for OT.

The arsonist started the fire, that much is clear. If there were any adults running LA instead of commies and lesbos, he'd be looking at a misdemeanor and a fine, after pleading down the arson charge...
Posted by: Joe Kidd
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And the homes would be intact.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 06, 2026 05:16 PM (koh6z)

98 How much Astor or Vanderbilt money is still around? Fortunes frequently dissipate or their basis gets overtaken.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 06, 2026 05:09 PM (HdYcL)
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Enough to propel Anderson Cooper's no-talent swishy ass to the height of corporate news success.

Posted by: ballistic at May 06, 2026 05:16 PM (oqH4h)

99 Posted by: Orson at May 06, 2026 04:57 PM (dIske

I really like Piper. I appreciate her upbeat attitude and kindness and thoughtfulness and faith However, that comment about Labor Day did make me laugh . I don't think she's that much of a stickler, though. 😉

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 06, 2026 05:16 PM (2sfNr)

100 I see the palisades as everything wrong with society.

People building where we can't defend them from fire.
Eco nuts preventing brush control.
Crazed left wing fire bug.
Incompetent DEI fire chiefs.
Incompetent water managers.
Incompetent mayor and governor.
Empty budgets because every dime is going to useless services.

All of it.

Posted by: The Whine Guy at May 06, 2026 05:18 PM (k8xm0)

101 92 I saw on a lefty forum they have suggested taking FOXN clips and using AI to make the hosts recite leftist talking points and sharing that with their family

These people are EVIL
Posted by: 18-1 at May 06, 2026 05:12 PM (sKqQm)

Everything is fake and gay!

Posted by: ballistic at May 06, 2026 05:18 PM (oqH4h)

102 >>>Can you deep fry the Rich?

Posted by: pawn

>I prefer to feed the rich to AOC's big juicy booty.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at May 06, 2026 05:20 PM (D1E+2)

103 Yeah, that older gentleman in Thousand Oaks, punched by a Muslim college instructor. Prosecution wanted the max of 4 years but the judge said 'because it was an accident', he just ruled for one year. Disgusting.
Posted by: beckster at May 06, 2026 05:06 PM (kX27y)

Happened just a few miles from my old place. The deceased was a classic liberal but a proud Jew protesting the Oct. 7th massacre. I was frankly surprised they arrested the perp, as muzzie simps have made quite a few inroads in K-Oaks and Westlake Village...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at May 06, 2026 05:20 PM (nbLIj)

104 The left - let's fuck with health care to drive people into insurance and intentionally make it more expensive so that people will ultimately let us enact our wet dream of government provided health insurance.

Also the left - let's kill these people who run the companies we forced everyone to use while also intentionally driving up their prices.
Posted by: DPICM at May 06, 2026 05:10 PM (zweKz)

Pretty much. "Give us Obamacare which will hand billions to health insurance companies! Kill health insurance executives for getting all that money!"

Posted by: The times they are crazier and crazier at May 06, 2026 05:20 PM (TbWk/)

105 99 Posted by: Orson at May 06, 2026 04:57 PM (dIske

I really like Piper. I appreciate her upbeat attitude and kindness and thoughtfulness and faith However, that comment about Labor Day did make me laugh . I don't think she's that much of a stickler, though. 😉
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 06, 2026

I am not because that rule is now dead and gone. White shoes, however. 🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 05:20 PM (hftzA)

106 I'm more concerned about being happy than rich.
Posted by: fd

A genii offered me one wish. I said I want to be happy.

Now I work in a mine with six other dwarves.

I'd heard right after it happened arson was suspected but everyone just jumped on climate change. I tuned out. Now we know the name of the guy who actually started it. Wow.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at May 06, 2026 05:20 PM (l26NL)

107 100 I see the palisades as everything wrong with society.

People building where we can't defend them from fire.
Eco nuts preventing brush control.
Crazed left wing fire bug.
Incompetent DEI fire chiefs.
Incompetent water managers.
Incompetent mayor and governor.
Empty budgets because every dime is going to useless services.

All of it.
Posted by: The Whine Guy at May 06, 2026 05:18 PM (k8xm0)
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Yup. My in laws were threatened when the fire jumped the 405 around the Getty Center - thought it was going to go straight into the SFV, but the LAFD stopped its progress. It all was a perfect storm of what you listed. There are also almost daily fires caused by the homeless in the Sepulveda Dam area, which is in the middle of the densely populated SFV.

Posted by: beckster at May 06, 2026 05:22 PM (kX27y)

108 Horde! Need suggestions. In liquor store.
Bulleit? Maker's Mark?

Bourbon, and go!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 06, 2026 05:22 PM (MIar9)

109 >Now, how exactly do I summon Piper?

Kale
Posted by: garrett at May 06, 2026 04:59 PM (Lu7y1)

I hear she's tiny so you can set up one of those box traps like a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

Posted by: FREE KALE HERE ----> at May 06, 2026 05:22 PM (TbWk/)

110 Some of the richest of the rich lived there. It was a community of money. Money is power, it is force, it is influence. Just like NY they comfortably allowed the pustule to fester.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 06, 2026 05:24 PM (koh6z)

111 rickb223, Balcones

Posted by: Ben Had at May 06, 2026 05:24 PM (z2aPa)

112 40
BILL BURR

Who needs comedy when I can spew out angry bitter argle-bargle?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 06, 2026 04:50 PM (iJfKG)
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Sad. The guy was genuinely funny until he got blinded by the snizz and married a leftist harpy. Now it's just the same old doctrinaire liberal talking points trying to generate clapter.

Posted by: ballistic at May 06, 2026 05:24 PM (oqH4h)

113 Bourbon, and go!
Posted by: rickb223

Maker's Mark. Neat.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at May 06, 2026 05:24 PM (l26NL)

114 It was for the children ...........

Posted by: Jackson K. at May 06, 2026 05:26 PM (dm7SR)

115 I’m not sure what was happening on that train in the art thread today. Wall to Wall. High pile, good thread count, very plush. Not a fan of hardwood. No sir.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 06, 2026 05:26 PM (WbprS)

116 They created the NPCs as a weapon against me and mine, and I can't bring myself to shed a tear for these mongrels when the weapon backfires. Release the little fucker, on condition that he wears an ankle bracelet that confines him to a wealthy SoCal enclave. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 06, 2026 05:01 PM (BI5O2)

yeah, I hear you. Remember when the rich were smart enough to support the system that made them rich and protected their wealth? About that...it isn't the middle-class republicans these people are going to target, it is pacific palisades.

Posted by: The Whine Guy at May 06, 2026 05:26 PM (k8xm0)

117 rickb223, Balcones
Posted by: Ben Had

No Balcones, no Garrison Bros. 😢

Posted by: rickb223 at May 06, 2026 05:26 PM (MIar9)

118 and arson.... and assassination... and treason... and fraud... and cheating... and fascism... and power over others... and....

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 06, 2026 05:26 PM (xvV+O)

119 "...when the big bad right begins agreeing with them"

I am convinced this would never happen because the right (the little people on the right I mean) do not want to "risk it all" unless they are directly confronted and they have to defend their families. We are not the types to throw it all away for some mythical greater good like leftists are.

Posted by: AlecK at May 06, 2026 05:26 PM (cMlC1)

120 Went to a local dive-ish bar during happy hour yesterday because I had some time to kill and didn't want to drive all the way home and back in that direction.

They had Pappy 20. $139 per pour. Lmao.

Posted by: ballistic at May 06, 2026 05:26 PM (oqH4h)

121 The dirty little secret about this fire is that the LAFD was there and put it out. But these DEI retards fucked it up, left some embers burning, and it later ignited again and turned into the devastating blaze. They are almost as much to blame for this as the creepy incel loser.

Posted by: Elric the Blade at May 06, 2026 05:27 PM (kBnaz)

122 No Balcones, no Garrison Bros. 😢
Posted by: rickb223 at May 06, 2026 05:26 PM (MIar9)
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Larceny
Evan Williams Bottled-in-Bond

Posted by: ballistic at May 06, 2026 05:27 PM (oqH4h)

123
108 Horde! Need suggestions. In liquor store.
Bulleit? Maker's Mark?
Posted by: rickb223

At that price range, Buffalo Trace and Wild Turkey 101.

Posted by: Auspex at May 06, 2026 05:28 PM (Y8DZL)

124 I am convinced this would never happen because the right (the little people on the right I mean) do not want to "risk it all" unless they are directly confronted and they have to defend their families. We are not the types to throw it all away for some mythical greater good like leftists are.

Honestly I'd like to see us form something like a Christian Defense League. With substantial funding so cancelled people will have a better job for working to make things better - and that would aggressively combat the left just like antifa attacks us.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 06, 2026 05:28 PM (sKqQm)

125 I am not because that rule is now dead and gone. White shoes, however. 🤣🤣🤣
Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 05:20 PM (hftzA)
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Holy Crap!!! I missed the memo. Breaking out my Cuban Overlord Ensemble. White Linen three-piece with the red feathered white Fedora. But, that brings up a dilemma. To be fully ready for town and country, I need my White and Black wing tips. So, it the rule only applicable to all white shoes, or are two-tone acceptible?

Posted by: Orson at May 06, 2026 05:28 PM (dIske)

126 Bourbon, and go!

Hey look at me, I'm a psychic!

170 If we can't be snobs about what kind of leaf smoke we use, what can we be snobs about?

Bourbon.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 06, 2026 04:07 PM (vTZFs)

Posted by: Oddbob at May 06, 2026 05:29 PM (vTZFs)

127 Goody Goody liquors needs to quit dicking around with pussy whisky.

Peanut butter flavored?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 06, 2026 05:29 PM (MIar9)

128 Yeah, Bill Burr is a pussywhipped bitch of the worst kind. Never, ever allow your wife to dictate your core beliefs, or stymie the inculcation of them in your children. It defies G-d and nature alike, and it's one step off of being a homo.

Also: Jay Mohr's impression of that hacky dumbass is spot on.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 06, 2026 05:29 PM (BI5O2)

129
That said, Bulleit Rye is the poker group's favorite Manhattan base.

Posted by: Auspex at May 06, 2026 05:30 PM (Y8DZL)

130 Posted by: Piper at May 06, 2026 05:20

Uhh oh . I have committed an Unforgivable fashion solecism then. 😉I don't even own a pair of white shoes

I appreciate your fashion notes, however. Thanks for the time you take with it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 06, 2026 05:30 PM (Yl2Ob)

131 Went to a local dive-ish bar during happy hour yesterday because I had some time to kill and didn't want to drive all the way home and back in that direction.

They had Pappy 20. $139 per pour. Lmao.
Posted by: ballistic at May 06, 2026 05:26 PM (oqH4h)
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That’s a really good price. Assuming it’s real PVW, which it might not be. Lotsa fake stuff in bars.

Posted by: Elric the Blade at May 06, 2026 05:31 PM (kBnaz)

132 At that price range, Buffalo Trace and Wild Turkey 101.
Posted by: Auspex

No Buffalo Trace. WTF?
Only thing that starts with a B is Ezra Brooks & Benchmark.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 06, 2026 05:31 PM (MIar9)

133 I think my withered Aryan hooker is dead.

Posted by: toby928(c) at May 06, 2026 05:32 PM (4NO2D)

134 rickb223, find another store.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 06, 2026 05:32 PM (z2aPa)

135 Wild Turkey 101. I don't drink hard alcohol these days, I'm trying to be healthier, but it was my go-to from 14 years old til a couple years ago.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 06, 2026 05:33 PM (BI5O2)

136 I find Bulleit rye to be damn good for the price. Now this comes on the basis of limited rye exploration. But I enjoy it straight on the rocks. Imagine it will be good in mixed drinks when I finally bestir myself (heh) to do some.

Their 10-yr bourbon's also nice, and not that expensive.

Pretty deep into all kinds of good aged rums, mostly English-style and some Spanish column-still, but rye and bourbon still enjoying being fairly new to it all (for sipping neat).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 06, 2026 05:33 PM (U/Byj)

137 rickb223, find another store.
Posted by: Ben Had

I'm going to have to. This is bull.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 06, 2026 05:34 PM (MIar9)

138 rickb223, 1792 is pretty good.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 06, 2026 05:34 PM (z2aPa)

139 Bourbon, and go!
Posted by: rickb223

Maker's Mark. Neat.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at May 06, 2026 05:24 PM (l26NL)

Of the two, I would go with Maker's. Bulleit makes the superior Manhattan, if that's a consideration..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at May 06, 2026 05:34 PM (nbLIj)

140 I also liked the Elijah Craig product a lot.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 06, 2026 05:34 PM (BI5O2)

141 Charlamange thinks federal jobs is the ticket.
Everyone should have a federal job.
Many have federal jobs that require them to sit on their fat asses, eat doritoes, watch the View and talk on their ObamaPhones.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 06, 2026 04:49 PM (koh6z)

Without even getting into particulars, even the best federal job holder is a burden on the economy that has to be paid for by some other job in the private sector.

So no, adding federal jobs will not solve any problems. They need to be doing productive jobs, and useless federal job holders needed to be pruned rigorously.

Posted by: Oldcat at May 06, 2026 05:34 PM (8avO+)

142 That’s a really good price. Assuming it’s real PVW, which it might not be. Lotsa fake stuff in bars.
Posted by: Elric the Blade at May 06, 2026 05:31 PM (kBnaz)

LOL my Brother does that a bar was going to throw out a bottle of expensive bourbon and asked to have the bottle, he refilled it with other bourbon just to mess with people.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 06, 2026 05:35 PM (ubCxQ)

143 Charlamange thinks federal jobs is the ticket.
Everyone should have a federal job.

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Brilliant.

I always hear the best executives saying things like "you know what would give this business a shot in the arm? A shitload more overhead, that's what!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 06, 2026 05:37 PM (BI5O2)

144 141 Charlamange thinks federal jobs is the ticket.
Everyone should have a federal job.
Many have federal jobs that require them to sit on their fat asses, eat doritoes, watch the View and talk on their ObamaPhones.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 06, 2026 04:49 PM (koh6z)

Rent-seeking and goldbricking. It's the American way.

Posted by: Low effort, high reward at May 06, 2026 05:37 PM (TbWk/)

145 I bought and tried that Weller full proof. Not a fan. There does seem to be some smooth and complex flavors underneath, but the ABV is so high it drowns out everything else.

Posted by: Elric the Blade at May 06, 2026 05:37 PM (kBnaz)

146 Y's Dice I forgot, Elijah Craig rye is another one I like. Also not expensive.

Bonus booze tip: anyone wanting to try some sipping rum, one place to start is Doorly's XO. Around $25. Aged 6 (8?) years, basic/good Barbados style, from the house of Richard Seale so no sugar added.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 06, 2026 05:39 PM (U/Byj)

147 143 Charlamange thinks federal jobs is the ticket.
Everyone should have a federal job.

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Brilliant.

I always hear the best executives saying things like "you know what would give this business a shot in the arm? A shitload more overhead, that's what!"
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 06, 2026 05:37 PM (BI5O2)

Usually they say let's reduce product quality, fire the most experienced employees, offshore as many functions to Bangladesh as we can get away with, and turn everything we possibly can into a subscription service

Posted by: Enshittification strategy. Also the new American way. at May 06, 2026 05:40 PM (TbWk/)

148 Rum, I drink the soda pop version. Captain Morgan's black spiced rum.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 06, 2026 05:40 PM (z2aPa)

149 LMAO...I was just looking at the cast for "The Odyssey". That freak "Elliot" Page is in it.

I'm guessing this is going to be one of those films where everyone does a fake British accent for no particur historical reason.

Posted by: Orson at May 06, 2026 05:41 PM (dIske)

150 Ok. Went with Maker's Mark & Bulleit Rye just to have something.

Definitely going to have to find a better liquor store. Goody Goody used to be a major go to.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 06, 2026 05:41 PM (MIar9)

151 And of course, everybody knows there are far too many government employees for us to afford as it is - to provide everyone with a federal job would mean the federal government nationalizing the whole economy and going full Communist, which is what these people actually want.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 06, 2026 05:42 PM (BI5O2)

152 Saw videos during fire looters running around, often setting more fires

Posted by: Skip at May 06, 2026 05:43 PM (Ia/+0)

153 Saw videos during fire looters running around, often setting more fires
Posted by: Skip at May 06, 2026 05:43 PM (Ia/+0)

I saw one of cops busting a looter, looting in stolen firefighter gear. I'll give full points for creativity, if not for execution.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 06, 2026 05:45 PM (BI5O2)

154 150 Ok. Went with Maker's Mark & Bulleit Rye just to have something.
Posted by: rickb223

Good choices.

Posted by: Auspex at May 06, 2026 05:45 PM (Y8DZL)

155
I can't imagine the heartbreak of the people who lost family members and their homes because of the asshole arsonist.

Posted by: four seasons at May 06, 2026 05:46 PM (3ek7K)

156 150 Ok. Went with Maker's Mark & Bulleit Rye just to have something.

Definitely going to have to find a better liquor store. Goody Goody used to be a major go to.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 06, 2026 05:41 PM (MIar9)
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Two of my go-tos …. I have a magnum of BR in my cabinet right now.

Posted by: Elric the Blade at May 06, 2026 05:47 PM (kBnaz)

157 "Elliott" Page is allegedly playing Achilles. As was pointed out Brad Pitt played Achilles in the movie Troy.
One of these things is not like the other

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 06, 2026 05:47 PM (gu0hJ)

158 Bonus booze tip: anyone wanting to try some sipping rum, one place to start is Doorly's XO. Around $25. Aged 6 (8?) years, basic/good Barbados style, from the house of Richard Seale so no sugar added.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 06, 2026 05:39 PM (U/Byj)

I've been preaching the Doorly's sermon for a while here. They make a 5 and 8 year old. I recently picked up a handle of Flor De Cano dark rum. I pour a couple fingers in a rocks glass with ice, fill with pineapple nectar, and find it's the perfect sunset cocktail..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at May 06, 2026 05:49 PM (nbLIj)

159 Smell the Glove, I just hurt myself laughing over that bit of news.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 06, 2026 05:50 PM (z2aPa)

160
I saw one of cops busting a looter, looting in stolen firefighter gear. I'll give full points for creativity, if not for execution.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

I'd give double points for execution.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 06, 2026 05:52 PM (Cqx++)

161 so it's the Queeryssey

Posted by: gKWVE at May 06, 2026 05:53 PM (sDWtc)

162
Critical Drinker has a review up.

Certain "stars" are an avoidance alert.

MATT. DAMON.

Posted by: Auspex at May 06, 2026 05:53 PM (Y8DZL)

163 That’s a really good price. Assuming it’s real PVW, which it might not be. Lotsa fake stuff in bars.
Posted by: Elric the Blade at May 06, 2026 05:31 PM (kBnaz)
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The owner of this bar would slit your fucking throat if you fucked with his Bourbon. Not a concern lol.

Posted by: ballistic at May 06, 2026 05:57 PM (oqH4h)

164 Yeah Page will go over well (rolls eyes)

Posted by: Skip at May 06, 2026 05:57 PM (Ia/+0)

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