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Sunday Morning Book Thread - 5-3-2026 ["Perfessor" Squirrel]
Welcome to the prestigious, internationally acclaimed, stately, and illustrious Sunday Morning Book Thread! The place where all readers are welcome, regardless of whatever guilty pleasure we feel like reading. Here is where we can discuss, argue, bicker, quibble, consider, debate, confabulate, converse, and jaw about our latest fancy in reading material. As always, pants are required, unless you are wearing these pants...(April showers not included.)
So relax, find yourself a warm kitty (or warm puppy--I won't judge) to curl up in your lap, and dive into a new book. What are YOU reading this fine morning?
PIC NOTE
Jasmine was never the literary critic that Allie has turned out to be. However, she did spend a fair amount of time in my library. Here we can see her supervising my work while I transform one of my spare bedrooms into my library. Penny is perched on a similar wooden crate in the opposite corner. The tall books under Jasmine are Gary Larson's two-volume collection, The Complete Far Side (worth every penny!).
I do most of my reading in my office, sitting in front of my computer. That way I can keep up with AoSHQ. For the past several years Jasmine was my constant companion in my home office. She almost never left the room, though sometimes she'd join me in my bedroom or she'd hang out with Allie in the library.
She loved to sit quietly next to me while I read, a comforting presence. Now that she's gone, my office feels so empty and hollow, though Penny, Hexie, and Allie all spend a lot of time here.
I can say I'm truly blessed by the Moron Horde. The outpouring of love and support over the loss of my beloved kitty has been overwhelming. Thank you all for your kind words.
The Sunday Morning Book Thread was how I first joined the AoSHQ community as a commenter. If you are a regular lurker here, I encourage you to delurk, grab a nic, and start commenting. You'll soon discover that you have joined the most incredible family on the internet. It's even better once you meet them in person at a MOME. (Check the sidebar on the main page for details!)
Thank you, Jasmine, for being a beautiful part of my life for 13 years, my dear friend.
WHY READERS STOP READING
For the TL;DW crowd, Patrick points out that there are three main places within story where readers will generally tune out. I'll use Brandon Sanderson's nomenclature to explain what this means:
The Promise (first 30%)
Readers will tune out of the first part of a story if it doesn't grab their attention. I try to read at least 20% of a book before giving up on it, but that doesn't always happen. I recently gave up on reading Orson Scott Card's Treason because it was getting too weird too quickly. I didn't like the direction the story was going so I decided to put it down for another time, perhaps. I did the same thing with the Star Trek novel Killing Time. In that case, I felt the story was moving a bit too slowly and I wasn't in the mood for it. I will probably get back to it eventually. Some authors can have a "slow burn" in their stories, so I give them a bit of slack because I know that the end result is worth it. The Dragonbone Chair by Tad Williams spends 200 pages just establishing the world, and the pacing seems slow, but it's worth it because you feel yourself immersed in the history of Osten Ard and the day-to-day events of Simon's life.
The Progress (middle 40%)
Some books will start out really strong, but then grind to a halt somewhere in the middle because the author is taking their sweet time advancing the narrative. Maybe characters are developing a lot slower than you expect them to. Maybe the story is bogged down by stupid subplots, excessive dialog, or random events that seem to have no bearing on the story. Whatever the case, the reader decides that the story is no longer worth their time and decides to give up. Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series suffers from this a bit. Books 7-10 are often called "the Slog" because not much seems to happen in those books to advance the overall plot. Instead, we get extensive character development, as Jordan has his main characters go in all different directions. It's worth reading them at least once, but if you want to focus on the main narrative, you can skip those books in later rereadings of the series and not miss out on too much.
The Payoff (last 30%)
If you've given up on a book by the time you've made it this far, then the author probably didn't do a very good job with the first 70% of a book. I've been known to finish a book that didn't interest me too much without remembering how it ended, mostly to say that I've read it. For example, I finished William Gibson's Neuromancer, supposedly one of the best science fiction books ever written about cyberspace, but I was bored to tears throughout most of it. I didn't care about the characters and the plot was barely interesting. I still don't remember how it ended. Nor do I care. Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash is vastly more entertaining, despite being hilariously dated. The characters are memorable, the plot is complex and intriguing, and I remember the ending distinctly, though it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. He has trouble properly finishind stories....
What are some reasons why YOU don't finish books?
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PUBLIC DOMAIN CHARACTERS
OrangeEnt sent me a link to this article from Raconteur Press. They have put out a call for submissions for stories relating to the Buck Rogers universe because Buck Rogers is now a public domain character. However, the editors at Raconteur Press also made it very clear that there are still rules by which they must abide.
Just because a character or story is now available in the public domain doesn't give us the right to use any and all stories in which those characters appear. For instance, stories based on the Buck Rogers television show (1979-1981) will be rejected because THOSE stories are NOT in the public domain. The studio that produced the show purchased the rights to create their own material within the Buck Rogers universe and the studio owns the copyright on those stories.
If you choose to write stories using public domain characters, there's one rule above all others you should follow:
DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
In other words, do some basic research on the public domain characters and stories. Read as many of those stories as you can so that when you decide to incorporate them into your own stories, you understand who those characters are and how they will behave based on the spirit of the source material. It's OK to take risks, but your audience will notice when public domain characters are behaving differently than readers expect.
You also need to know WHICH stories are actually within the public domain. Until recently (2023), certain Sherlock Holmes stories were still not available within the public domain, thus no one could create derivative content based on those stories without the express permission of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's estate (or whomemver owned the copyright on those stories). Now, though, all of the stories written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle are freely available for public domain consumption and derivation. But you could NOT monetize stories based on the BBC Sherlock series starring Benedict Cumberbatch.
Public domain characters can be a good way to explore writing. You don't have the burden of creating your own characters and the world they inhabit. You can focus on plotting, exposition, dialog, and other elements of basic storytelling. You can also have a lot of fun putting characters in a zany situation and seeing how they might solve their current conflict.
MORON RECOMMENDATIONS
I read Dark Winter by William Dietrich. This is an engaging thriller set at the American basecamp at the South Pole. The last plane of the season has left and those wintering over are confronted with a murderer in their midst.
Posted by: Zoltan at April 26, 2026 09:16 AM (VOrDg)
Comment: This is a classic mystery set up, though in a location that presents its own unique challenges. Once the last plane has left for the season, there is very, very little hope of assistance from the outside world. For all intents and purposes, the scientists and support staff (if any) are cut off from the rest of the world until the weather allows for return transport, which could take months. Meanwhile, you have a murderer lurking among you. What do you do? Whom can you trust? You don't even have to bring a science fiction or horror element to the story. Simple human motivations are enough to make for an engaging story when told well.
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Finished reading a graphic novel last week: The Winds of Numa Sera. While I could criticize parts of the story, it is fundamentally everything I've been searching for: a high-fantasy comic book! I read multiple chapters/issues in a sitting, and finished the whole thing in two days. So I was clearly enjoying myself.
Alas, there is one major problem with the book that cannot be overlooked. The book ends without a conclusion, with cliffhangers for multiple different characters. The book's spine says 'volume 1,' the copyright date says 2022, and four years later there is no sign of a volume 2. The back of the book has an advertisement for an 'Art or Numa Sera' and a table-top card came based on the story. All of this makes me think the book was created to be an IP farm, rather than for the sake of story. And I suspect the IP wasn't super-successful at launch, and thus may have been abandoned.
If so, that makes this yet another unfinished story littering my shelf...
Posted by: Castle Guy at April 26, 2026 09:39 AM (Lhaco)
Comment: Castle Guy brings up an interesting point...Nowadays, how many stories are published as a means to an end, rather than as an end unto itself? Based on his description, it sounds like the author(s) are looking for startup capital for other projects. Because of the various forms of entertainment we have access to nowadays, we have tons of IPs that have expanded into various media through computer games, role-playing games, movies, television, etc.
The Ice Limit by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child -- This was a Moron Recommendation from a few years ago.
Mount Dragon by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child -- Mad scientists...*sigh*...When will they ever learn?
Riptide by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child -- Pirate treasure!
Sword of Ghosts by Richard A. Knaak -- Continuing the long-running saga of the Dragonrealm.
Dragon of the Depths by Richard A. Knaak -- Continuing the long-running saga of the Dragonrealm.
WHAT I'VE BEEN READING RECENTLY
Since I couldn't decide what to read after reading The Secret History of the World by F. Paul Wilson, I decided to play "Reading Roulette" and selected a few books at random from my TBR pile.
Michael Moorcock's Elric -- Tales of the White Wolf edited by Edward E. Kramer and Richard Gilliam
This is an anthology of short stories featuring everyone's favorite albino sorcerer king, the Dragon Emperor, the Eternal Champion, Elric of Melnibonë. Most of the contributors are successful fantasy authors in their own right, no doubt inspired by Michael Moorcock's creation to build their own worlds and characters. It's interesting when you read these stories how you can see Moorcock's influence on some of their own stories. It even features a short story by Gary "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons" Gygax! Unlike most of the stories, which tend to feature Elric as the main protagonist, Gygax instead tells a story from Moonglum's perspective. Moonglum is just one of many doomed companions of the White Wolf, eventually consumed by Elric's demonblade, Stormbringer.
Day Watch by Sergei Lukyanenko
This is part of an urban fantasy series of novels set in Russia by Sergei Lukyanenko. For thousands of years, the Others have divided themselves into two main groups: the Night Watch, who serve the Light, and the Day Watch, who serve the forces of Darkness. It's actually a bit more complicated than that, as members of the Day Watch are really more libertarian/anarchist in their philosophy than explicitly worshipping demonic forces. Each book is a collection of three loosely-connected novellas that lead up to a climactic ending in the third part of the book.
It's not bad. I like the general worldbuilding that underlies the setting. The Others are beings with some form of access to the Twilight, additional layers of reality beyond our normal senses. Wizards and witches are the most powerful able to access deep levels of Twilight, while shapeshifters and vampires tend to be weaker overall, but still dangerous to mortals.
The Inquisition maintains the balance between the Day Watch and the Night Watch, ensuring that neither one gets too out of hand, as that tends to have rather unfortunate consequences for the world, like wars, famines, plagues, and the usual disasters that cause untold misery and destruction across the globe, which we mere mortals attribute to the folly of man or the capriciousness of Mother Nature.
Newton's Wake: A Space Opera by Ken MacLeod
This story puts the "opera" in "space opera" by featuring a subplot with an actual opera performance. The main plot features a family of interstellar scavengers that use the monopoly of a portal network to loot worlds for lost technology. The Hard Rapture several centuries ago was the moment that the bulk of humanity transcended itself and became a hyperintelligent entity capable of godlike feats. For the survivors, they made do by leveraging some of the remnants of this technological feat to establish standard empires within the galaxy.
There are some interesting post-human effects explored within this story. For instance, because it's possible to backup and restore entire minds, death is no longer permanent with proper preparation and sufficient wealth. It means that people can almost treat life like a video game. This is exploited at one point when characters go to a world that's bombarded by neutron-star radiation, which is ultimately deadly, but the characters are able to survive long enough to fulfill their mission and "restore from backup."
Star Trek: The Next Generation #10: A Rock and a Hard Place by Peter David
The Prime Directive in the Star Trek universe has always been idealistic twaddle. This story hammers that philosophy home hard as we see what happens when a young Starfleet Commander has to stand by and watch atrocities occur so that the Federation can gain yet one more world under its sway. Neither the Klingons nor the Romulans abide by any such Prime Directive, ruthlessly exploiting any technologically primitive world for their own gain.
Commander Stone is assigned to the Enterprise-D so that Picard and his crew can instill some proper Starfleet discipline in Stone. His behavior has become erratic and unpredictable, though he's also brilliant in taking a third option whenever he can. Meanwhile, Commander Riker has been reassigned to assist Federation terraformers on a world where a mad scientist experiment has run amok.
I was surprised by the quality of this story, as it really does show the perils of command and how events can shape our lives. Stone seems like a sociopath, and to some extent he probably is, but then you find out his backstory and it all makes sense. It's very dark for a Star Trek story.
Star Trek #31: Battlestations! by Diane Carey
Unlike most Star Trek novels, this story is told in first person from the perspective of Lieutenant Commander Piper. She is recruited by Captain Kirk and Commander Spock to undertake a secret mission to uncover the truth about what happened to a group of scientists involved in the development of "transwarp" technology. Apparently there are a few different forms of this within the Star Trek Expanded Universe. In this story, it's a dimensional-warping device that will revolutionize space travel, but it's also highly unstable and dangerous. The scientist who developed the theory behind it wants to sell the technology to the highest bidder, which makes the Federation very unhappy.
It's a sequel to a previous Star Trek novel, Dreadnaught, but it's not necessary to read the previous story to understand what's going on in this story. LTC Piper is young and very unsure of herself, but find herself growing into her role as a capable leader and commander, which is why Captain Kirk assigned her to this mission, even though she didn't know about it until halfway through the story.
Singularity Sky by Charles Stross
I'm somewhat lukewarm on Charles Stross stories. He has a tendency towards over-exposition of his technology, as if he's trying to show off his knowledge. Still, he does have intriguing stories and this is one of them. The Festival, an alien "infovore" has arrived around a New Republic world, one based on a neo-feudalistic society modeled after late nineteenth-century Russia. The Festival provides unlimited goods for the local peasant population, in exchange for "entertainment" in the form of stories or just general knowledge. Meanwhile, the ruling aristocratic authorities are annoyed because they feel that control over their populace is threatened. Revolutionaries are spouting Marxist rhetoric that also threatens their rule.
Agents from the Echaton--the super-intelligence that actually rules humanity--have been dispatched to steer the New Republic from a disasterous course towards war against the Festival. The Festival is mostly harmless, but not defenseless and does respond to aggression with deadly retaliation. The Eschaton also wants to ensure that causality is absolutely preserved. Humans can travel at faster-than-light speeds only because of certain loopholes in causality. Attempting to circumvent those loopholes for strategic military gain is strictly forbidden as that would threaten the existence of the Echaton. It will ensure its own survival by making a sun go nova, so it's best to keep on their good side.
The Dragonrealm - Firedrake by Richard A. Knaak
After the passing of my cat Jasmine, I needed some "comfort" reading, so I opted to read a series of books that I've enjoyed for several decades. I remember picking up the first book, Firedrake, because it featured cover art by Larry Elmore and it was written by Richard A. Knaak, who had penned one of the best Dragonlance novels, The Legend of Huma.
On the surface, the Dragonrealm series seems like a generic fantasy series, but once you've read the first couple of books, you'll soon realize there's much more depth to it. The worldbuilding is amazing, with complex layers of reality the characters have to navigate along with intricate plots where you're not always sure who is in the right. The main characters such as Cabe Bedlam and Lady Gwen are decent, if a bit boring. The side characters, however, tend to be much more interesting. The Dragon Kings are not just generic villains. They operate in a complicated world and when we find out their origins, it explains a lot of their behaviors and ideology. The shadow steed Darkhorse is a unique entity in the multiverse, a sentient Void who just happens to enjoy taking the shape of a powerful horse. The Gryphon is a mysterious being originating from across the seas, ruler of the City of Knowledge. And Shade is a sorcerer supreme cursed with being immortal, but vacillating between good and evil in his incarnations.
I find it to be a very enjoyable series for the most part and I'm looking forward to reading through it again.
The Dragonrealm - Ice Dragon by Richard A. Knaak
In the sequel to Firedrake, the Gold Dragon Emperor has been defeated, but his brother the Ice Dragon now threatens the Dragonrealm. Cabe Bedlam and his wife, the beautiful Lady of the Amber Gwendolyn, must travel to the heart of the Ice Dragon's frozen domain before he can unleash a deadly spell that will cover the entire world in a new ice age, destroying not only all humans, but all life everywhere.
Meanwhile, Cabe's inhuman friend and ally the Gryphon is tracking down the source of the mysterious "wolf raiders" who furnished the Black Dragon with an inexhaustible supply of soldiers during the Black Dragon's siege of Penacles, the city the Gryphon is sworn to defend. He discovers that the answers to his questions lie in a continent across the seas...
The Dragonrealm - Wolfhelm by Richard A. Knaak
Wolfhelm is the third book in the Dragonrealm series and focuses on the adventures of the humanoid lionbird known as the Gryphon. His origins are shrouded in mystery, but he knows he came from a distant land across the Eastern Seas. That continent is ruled by the Aramite Empire, who worships the Ravager, a god that takes the image of a wolf. The Aramites are at war with the Dream Lands, a coterminus reality that overlays the Aramite Empire and threatens their existence. The Gryphon finds himself caught up in a struggle between ancient powers he barely understands, as he also struggles to comprehend his own origins. Where did he come from? Why is he unique? Why does the godlike Ravager fear him?
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Finished A Reasoned Examination of the Properties of the Three Arms Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery by Gen Nicolai Okunev
Hopefully picked up good points on interarm tactics for Napoleonic era games.
Bruce Stirling's "Heavy Weather" is a perfectly preserved charcuterie board of 90's dystopian cyberpunk tropes: climate chaos, economic collapse followed by a thriving black market and cryptocurrencies, runaway drug-resistant bugs, pollution, BigCorp private security thuggery, and invasive tech.
The story centers on a team of misfits tracking violent weather patterns in Tornado Alley exacerbated by global warming and overconsumption. The lead mathematician posits that an F-6 will open up and possibly remain active, much like Jupiter's Great Red Spot.
Fun to read ancient dispatches about our present future. Where did all the climate chaos go? Ah well. At least Stirling had a healthy hatred for Marxism.
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A book on Waterloo came out recently in paperback but can't seem to figure out on Amazon how to get it, its not on Ebook, others from author are. But don't want ebook.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 03, 2026 09:03 AM (RIvkX)
8 Today's Sunday Morning Book Thread is dedicated to the memory of my sweet little kitty Jasmine, who passed over the Rainbow Bridge on Wednesday, April 29, 2026, at age 13.
Condolences on the loss of your kitty, Perfesser.
Take heart in knowing that Jasmine knocked off its edge whatever did not belong on the Rainbow Bridge as she crossed it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at May 03, 2026 09:03 AM (xG4kz)
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I had never heard of Preston and Child, then I saw The Ice Limit at a bookstore, and it looked intriguing. It was that good, that I have been reading their stories ever since.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2026 09:04 AM (0U5gm)
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Morning, Perfessor, and condolences on Jasmine.
Howdy, Horde.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 09:04 AM (q3u5l)
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Condolences Perfessor. 13 years is way too brief.
Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at May 03, 2026 09:04 AM (KaHlS)
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Take heart in knowing that Jasmine knocked off its edge whatever did not belong on the Rainbow Bridge as she crossed it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at May 03, 2026 09:03 AM (xG4kz)
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You got that right! That was one of her favorite games!
Poor Jasmine. I hope she is in Kitty Heaven right now.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:05 AM (qRla/)
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Morning, Book Folken! This is my first Book Thread in about three weeks; the last two Sundays I was traveling to and from Kansas. I'm glad to be back.
I just finished Ten Caesars by Cornell professor Barry Strauss. He tackles the lives and accomplishments of ten of the Caesars, from Augustus to Constantine, setting each in his context (who came before him, how the Empire was different from earlier times, etc.). Not a woke volume at all. I found his details on the youth and early life of each of the emperors -- and in many cases of their wives/empresses -- to be as fascinating as the historical record of what they did, or failed to do, as the chief of the Roman state.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:05 AM (wzUl9)
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I had never heard of Preston and Child, then I saw The Ice Limit at a bookstore, and it looked intriguing. It was that good, that I have been reading their stories ever since.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2026 09:04 AM (0U5gm)
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I have YOU to thank for my own interest...I picked up a few of the Agent Pendergast novels at a local library book sale. Then I bought the rest...*sigh*
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Didn't read last week. Too much time doing outdoor work before it gets too hot. Starting next weekend, it seems.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:08 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Good morning! I’m in a bit of a reading slump. I am not finding anything interesting these days.
Posted by: Rob at May 03, 2026 09:06 AM (SRdNx)
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I hate it when that happens.
I usually try to find a "comfort read" in those cases. Something I've read before that I've enjoyed.
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So my current reading is divided between the restaurant book I mentioned last week, Ten Restaurants That Changed America (I've got through the first two chapters on Delmonico's and Antoine's and am now reading about Schrafft's), a reprint of the 1923 Sears, Roebuck catalog and Electric City, which details how Henry Ford tried to buy up most of Muscle Shoals to create a city custom-built to his preferences, with small farmholdings and village shops, all powered by hydroelectricity.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:08 AM (qRla/)
Posted by: Whitetail deer at May 03, 2026 09:09 AM (2Ez/1)
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Read Diane Carey's first 4 Star Trek novels in the late '80s-earlyish '90s. Don't remember many details anymore but do remember enjoying them.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 09:10 AM (NcvvS)
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I find I stop reading a book if I don't care what happens next. Never got around to analyzing the reasons I didn't care -- that takes time away from the next book on the Amazing Colossal To-Be-Read Pile.
I'm reminded of a comment from Borges, something to the effect that if a book doesn't hold your interest you should set it aside; the author apparently wasn't speaking to you at the time. Also one from Maugham, that there is no obligation to read a work of fiction.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 09:10 AM (q3u5l)
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He knows a secret -- or does he? He doesn't think so, but everybody else does. That's at the heart of "The Star Treasure" by Keith Laumer.
Cashiered from the space Navy for actions that he thinks were justified and exiled to a prison planet, former Lt. Ban Tarleton runs afoul of the agents of the Starlords, who secretly rule the interstellar empire, and of the rebel underground. Ban, knowing history -- meet the new boss, same as the old boss -- wants nothing to do with any rebellion. However, both sides think he is the key to destroying the Starlords' reign.
For a book with "Star" in its title and a spaceship on the cover, this story is noticeably ground-bound. Maybe the second half will pick up, literally.
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026 09:10 AM (p/isN)
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Electric City, which details how Henry Ford tried to buy up most of Muscle Shoals to create a city custom-built to his preferences, with small farmholdings and village shops, all powered by hydroelectricity.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:08 AM (qRla/)
It didn't work then, it won't work now.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:10 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Doreen Tovey's " Cats in the Belfry " and other cat stories in honor of beloved kitties.
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The book I am halfway through is the most deserving The Sky People by S.M. Stirling. In an alternate world, the USSR and the US discover in 1962 that Venus is no only quite habitable, but is also inhabited -- by creatures puzzlingly like our dinosaurs, Neanderthals, and modern humans. When the main story opens in 1988, there are Earth stations on the northern continent, and humans trade with the locals, who refer to the humans as the Sky People.
I shifted to Ten Caesars by Strauss during my trip, but will go back to the Stirling book. He's giving us a lot of world-building, but in the context of a human exploration to the far western reaches of the continent, sort of like Lewis and Clark in an airship. Clearly written, well done so far, and I understand there are more books in the series.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:11 AM (wzUl9)
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For a book with "Star" in its title and a spaceship on the cover, this story is noticeably ground-bound. Maybe the second half will pick up, literally.
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026 09:10 AM (p/isN)
Star Searcher Hope takes place mostly in space!
Though, I don't know when it'll be out, yet....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:12 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Yay Book Thread! Condolences on your kitty, Perfesser. Mittens is sitting contentedly on my as I type in the comfy chair, and she'll be 15 this fall. She has visibly slowed down, demands more attention, and has less energy to fight with the clueless, greedy but adorably Dakota, who desperately wants to be fat.
We are steeling ourselves for the inevitable, because she's had digestive issues for a while and needs prescription cat food. When she dies, there will be no replacement. I think one cat is enough.
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On the Kindle, I read Raven's Feast by Eric Schumacher. This is the second book in the Hakon's Saga series. Based on historical records this is the story of Hakon Haraldsson who returns from growing up in England in A. D. 935 to defeat his murderous brother, Eric Bloodaxe, and becomes king of what is now southwest Norway. He must now consolidate his rule versus the uplanders and the Danes while committed to Christianizing his people. An interesting story with lots of action.
Posted by: Zoltan at May 03, 2026 09:14 AM (VOrDg)
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I am so sorry....what a sweet looking little girl.
Posted by: Little Old Lady at May 03, 2026 09:14 AM (S59fl)
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In an alternate world, the USSR and the US discover in 1962 that Venus is no only quite habitable, but is also inhabited -- by creatures puzzlingly like our dinosaurs, Neanderthals, and modern humans. When the main story opens in 1988, there are Earth stations on the northern continent, and humans trade with the locals, who refer to the humans as the Sky People.
Lemme guess. The sky people live in a city named Stratos, and they trade for zenite with the locals.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:15 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Weak Geek, apologies for my delay in replying and it is on my to do list. Thank you for your patience.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 03, 2026 09:16 AM (Cif43)
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Still listening to That Hideous Strength by CS Lewis. It's 14 hours long and I'm at the 90% mark. But, hoo, boy, I almost quit not too long ago when some things began to get really weird and I couldn't stay focused. Finally I've begun to understand my brain simply gets saturated and it's time to stop listening for awhile.
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Wolfus, I enjoyed "The Sky People" too. Fun riff on Burroughs' Carson of Venus series (which, though entertaining, never had a patch on Barsoom).
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Last week, we were discussing the depravity of the elites. One of the earliest examples of this might be Gilles de Rais from Normandy in France. Leonard Wolf documents the life and crimes of the baron in Bluebeard.
Gilles de Rais was born into wealth and power, heir to two noble families, and who became the marshal of France during the hundred years war, fighting at the right hand of Joan of Arc. But, even amongst his triumphs, clouds were forming. Not only was he squandering an immense amount of wealth, but rumors of dark activities were reaching both the king and the church.
According to trial transcripts, he was not only pursuing alchemy, but was trying to summon evil spirits, and among the gifts he offered the demons were body parts of children. While the claimed number of his victims was at least 120, he did admit in court to sexual assault and murder of 21 children. Unusually for a noble, he was executed by hanging, accompanied by two of his accomplices. This may be the first trial of a serial killer; and probably it was the first by a member of the nobility.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2026 09:17 AM (0U5gm)
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"Public domain characters can be a good way to explore writing. You don't have the burden of creating your own characters and the world they inhabit. You can focus on plotting, exposition, dialog, and other elements of basic storytelling. You can also have a lot of fun putting characters in a zany situation and seeing how they might solve their current conflict."
True. My Man From U.N.C.L.E. fan fiction was enormous fun to write and helped me develop my skills at the items the Perfessor mentions. Solo, Illya, Waverly, and the U.N.C.L.E. organization are not yet in public domain -- the show ended in 1968, and of course the 2015 movie carried the characters' names onward. But fan fiction is good practice, and there are sites that will host your stories and possibly even fanzines that will print them. Three of my four MfU stories have appeared in illustrated 'zines.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:17 AM (wzUl9)
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Also checking out "Jeff Long's "The Descent", about the discovery of a vast underground system of caves spanning the planet that is home to a race of vicious cannibalistic hominids. Isn't that always the way?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes. at May 03, 2026 09:18 AM (kpS4V)
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As to reading: I think there is a fourth factor that trumps the other three: writing style. This supersedes all other factors. An engaging writer can make almost any story or topic interesting.
Conversely, a crappy writer can make an otherwise interesting story or subject become a nightmare to read. My dislike of Stephen King began when I tried to read him, and was based his writing style, which I is as ugly as his personality. As I mentioned last week, Rome Sweet Home should be a book that completely bored me and was only lightly skimmed, but it was so well written, so engaging and moved so quickly through the life events of the authors that I could not put it down, even though I knew how it ended.
I'm still wading through City of God, and there again, St. Augustine's writing style is really engaging me. One reason he is so popular (that is to say, so much of his writing survived) is that in addition to thinking deep thoughts, his Latin is exemplary, and that comes through in translation.
I read Antihero this week, by Gregg Hurwitz. This is the latest in the Orphan X series. Wow! It's been a while since I have been this engrossed in a book, and it has affected me deeply. I've been mulling it over for days, and may read it again before I have to return it.
The main character is greatly tempered by the woman he is protecting. The crime was brutal, and he wants to kill everyone involved, without mercy, but she is very religious and doesn't want him to. They each must convince the other of what's in their souls, and it's intense.
I love this series, because the transformation of the main character from emotionless killing machine to someone learning to function in normal society keeps the series fresh and interesting.
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Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2026 09:17 AM (0U5gm)
And today, Giles would be lionized by the "elite."
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:19 AM (1Ff7Z)
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In writing news, I finished my first, handwritten draft on Wednesday last. It's all typed up, so from now on I will be editing until I have a draft ready to send out to beta readers.
I've only got through the opening so far; it goes slowly because I need to double-check all my geography as well as add what I call 'set decoration' - the little details of clothing, speech and ephemera that brings 1922 Hollywood to life.
But as I mentioned, I don't feel as enthralled as I thought I would be. It's a combination of a lot of things, including the constant lousy weather infesting Massachusetts.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:19 AM (qRla/)
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True. My Man From U.N.C.L.E. fan fiction was enormous fun to write and helped me develop my skills at the items the Perfessor mentions. Solo, Illya, Waverly, and the U.N.C.L.E. organization are not yet in public domain -- the show ended in 1968, and of course the 2015 movie carried the characters' names onward. But fan fiction is good practice, and there are sites that will host your stories and possibly even fanzines that will print them. Three of my four MfU stories have appeared in illustrated 'zines.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:17 AM (wzUl9)
Did you ever watch that fanvid I sent you a link to?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:20 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Condolences again to the Perfessor on the loss of Jasmine. I too have lost a number of feline friends, sometimes after a decade and a half, once after less than four years. It is never easy. But you remember them, maybe even write about them, and that helps.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:20 AM (wzUl9)
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The Star Trek Mirror Universe novel "The Sorrows of Empire" by David Mack covers some of the same incidents as from "our" universe but from very different motivations.
Richard Daystrom connived with Commodore Wesley on the Lexington to have his M-5 computer aboard the Excalibur destroy the Enterprise and make it look like an accident, thus removing Captain Spock and his sympathizers from Starfleet. Of course the computer goes rogue and tries to kill them too, as superintelligent computers are wont to do, in all dimensions.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes. at May 03, 2026 09:21 AM (kpS4V)
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When I don't finish a book, it's because I hate the characters. Not every person in a book should be completely unlikable. Give me someone to like. If I don't get that in the first thirty pages, I'll stop. It happens surprisingly often, these days. Either I'm losing patience or books are getting worse.
Posted by: huerfano at May 03, 2026 09:21 AM (98kQX)
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You guys are the best Moron Horde in this reality or any alternate realities!
50Did you ever watch that fanvid I sent you a link to?
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I'm pretty sure I did, but with all the alarums and excursions about trips and the like, I'm fuzzy on the whole vid thing. Can you send it again?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:22 AM (wzUl9)
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Of course the computer goes rogue and tries to kill them too, as superintelligent computers are wont to do, in all dimensions.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes. at May 03, 2026 09:21 AM (kpS4V)
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A multiversal constant...
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So I'm reading "Yesteryear" by Carl Claire Burke. It turns out that it's not what was expecting... in a bad way. Turns out that Burke is an AWFL of the highest order and this book is "satire" about how much she hates "tradwives", Christians, children, the patriarchy, traditional families, etc. It is "the" book to read right now for women. But it's not all that, for one, the characters are shallow and unrealistic. The author did very little research and there are glaring errors in the timelines. It does give insight into the caricature that AWFL's see conservatives as.
Over all, would not recommend. I'm only finishing it because I'm reading it for a book club.
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Knaak wrote some stuff in Howard's Hyborian Age too. "A Soldier's Quest". The main character is Nermesa, who fights for Conan his liege lord.
Howard himself had a few Hyborian stories where the viewpoint character isn't Conan IIRC.
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 09:23 AM (5YB/b)
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But fan fiction is good practice, and there are sites that will host your stories and possibly even fanzines that will print them. Three of my four MfU stories have appeared in illustrated 'zines.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:17 AM (wzUl9)
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Fan fiction is easily converted to an original work, as demonstrated by Fifty Shades of Gray, originally Twilight fan fiction. That example inspired me to write the Man of Destiny series, scratching an itch not only to fix the Star Wars prequels but also to write a multi-volume story.
Another nice thing is that with the world-building mostly done, I could focus on making the characters much deeper and more fully realized, and adding additional element of my own imagination.
I've lost a couple of cats I dearly loved over the years. One, we had to take her to the vet to put down, because she was in too much pain. On the way back, we very unexpectedly saw a rainbow in the sky following some showers, and my mom said, "It's like Callie's telling us things will be all right."
Yes, holes could be poked in that statement. But I'd like to believe it all the same.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 03, 2026 09:25 AM (lHPJf)
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I should add that having work be derivative is not necessarily a bid thing. The important thing is what you derive it from, and what the finished result is. Tolkien's work is incredibly imaginative, but also derivative, something he freely admitted.
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My wife and I just started Water and Power by William Karhl. The book was mentioned this past week by Buck, I think. We are not Californians, but it is an interesting story about how water turned a rather dubious area without much promise into Los Angeles.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 03, 2026 09:25 AM (2ap+5)
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Knaak wrote some stuff in Howard's Hyborian Age too. "A Soldier's Quest". The main character is Nermesa, who fights for Conan his liege lord.
Howard himself had a few Hyborian stories where the viewpoint character isn't Conan IIRC.
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 09:23 AM (5YB/b)
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He's written for a number of IPs such as World of Warcraft, Dragonlance, and Diablo.
The Dragonrealm is very reminiscent of World of Warcraft, even though it was started many years before. I wonder if WoW developers were inspired by Dragonrealm....
Posted by: callsign claymore at May 03, 2026 09:25 AM (/6r4m)
61When I don't finish a book, it's because I hate the characters. Not every person in a book should be completely unlikable. Give me someone to like. If I don't get that in the first thirty pages, I'll stop. It happens surprisingly often, these days. Either I'm losing patience or books are getting worse.
Posted by: huerfano at May 03, 2026
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It's a neat trick when an author can have a book filled with criminals, including the lead character, and yet you're fascinated by him and them. Parker, Richard Stark's antihero, is a tough pro criminal who robs companies. He's not a guy you'd care to spend any time with. But you read with a kind of gleeful horror about his difficulties with each new heist, betrayals by his fellow crooks, etc., and almost want him to get away with whatever he's up to.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:25 AM (wzUl9)
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Can you send it again?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:22 AM (wzUl9)
Done.
Although I haven't watch a full episode in years, I don't think the vid is as on point as it could be. See what you think.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:26 AM (1Ff7Z)
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"What are some reasons why YOU don't finish books?"
The one that immediately leaps to mind is Georgette Heyer's "A Convenient Marriage" which I abandoned at about the 20% mark. I discovered Heyer through the book thread and normally love her books in large part because they have happy endings. Well, in this one I disliked all of the characters so much that I didn't care whether or not the protagonists were redeemed by love. They were just too annoying to spend any more time with.
Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at May 03, 2026 09:26 AM (FEVMW)
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"Take heart in knowing that Jasmine knocked off its edge whatever did not belong on the Rainbow Bridge as she crossed it."
LOL
One of my favorite books about cat is "The Silent Meow " by Paul Gallico in which a cat moves onto he and his wife's life and takes over. His wife who was a photographer has great pictures on cat and husband in the book which I had.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2026 09:27 AM (TIRHP)
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"The Dogs of War" definitely held my interest, but I kept putting it down because i continually ran into a wall after the main character, a mercenary, makes out the budget ("costings," the Brits call it) for a proposed project. I finally told myself to finish the book, and I'm glad I did. Terrific story.
I also have yet to finish "Myth-Ion Improbable," the Myth-Adventures book that Robert Asprin put out after he finally got past his writer's block. For as huge a Myth fan that I am, this is unexcusable. I don't know why I keep stopping.
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026 09:28 AM (p/isN)
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That Hideous Strength goes so gonzo at the end I had to check the front to see if it was still Lewis.
Every now and again Lewis breaks from fantasy, which I'd argue is not his strength (because he can't worldbuild), and ventures into postapocalyptic (Magician's Nephew) and grand-guignol comedy (THS) and owns it. Poor Tolkien didn't know what to do with the man.
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 09:29 AM (5YB/b)
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The characters can all be unlikeable, but the main characters have to be interesting enough to keep you reading. As Wolfus noted, Westlake's Parker is a great example.
I think Westlake said in an interview once that he'd heard that the Parker novels were quite popular reading in a number of prisons.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 09:30 AM (q3u5l)
68The Dragonrealm is very reminiscent of World of Warcraft, even though it was started many years before.
"Dude, John Carter looks so laaame. All it is is ripoffs of Star Wars and Dune."
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 09:30 AM (5YB/b)
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When I don't finish a book, it's because I hate the characters. Not every person in a book should be completely unlikable. Give me someone to like. If I don't get that in the first thirty pages, I'll stop. It happens surprisingly often, these days. Either I'm losing patience or books are getting worse.
Posted by: huerfano at May 03, 2026 09:21 AM (98kQX)
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Or you can specialize in creating hateful characters and fill every page with their weird and pointless exploits.
-John Irving
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 03, 2026 09:32 AM (RIvkX)
I have the motel room reserved, and I got the discount. See you in October!
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026 09:32 AM (p/isN)
71One of my favorite books about cat is "The Silent Meow " by Paul Gallico in which a cat moves onto he and his wife's life and takes over. His wife who was a photographer has great pictures on cat and husband in the book which I had.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2026
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Gallico was quite a versatile writer and it seemed he rarely wrote the same book twice. The same fellow who did The Silent Meow also wrote The Poseidon Adventure, for instance. And The Snow Goose, which is a WWII story completely unlike the others; and the Mrs. 'Arris series, and two novels about a psychic researcher investigating spooky phenomena, and more I haven't read.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:32 AM (wzUl9)
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I have some books shelves just like those, right down to the sag.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 03, 2026 09:32 AM (4NO2D)
73True. My Man From U.N.C.L.E. fan fiction was enormous fun to write and helped me develop my skills at the items the Perfessor mentions. Solo, Illya, Waverly, and the U.N.C.L.E. organization are not yet in public domain -- the show ended in 1968, and of course the 2015 movie carried the characters' names onward. But fan fiction is good practice, and there are sites that will host your stories and possibly even fanzines that will print them.
I don't do fan fiction, but I think the same observation holds when one uses real people as characters. My 'Theda Bara' is, I know, almost nothing like the real one, but I try to be as authentic to what is known about her so that the trials she's put through don't come off as completely out of left field.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:32 AM (qRla/)
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In writing news, I finished my first, handwritten draft on Wednesday last. It's all typed up, so from now on I will be editing until I have a draft ready to send out to beta readers.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:19 AM (qRla/)
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Congratulations! My writing output is minimal as I continue to struggle with writing fiction again. I've called a temporary halt to focus on filling out details, building out characters and doing some major plotting. Being a sequel creates serious constraints that I don't normally face with a one-off book like Vampires of Michigan, my most recent novel.
I'm loathing the editing process, but discovering Amazon's audiobook system encourages me, as I can simply have it read aloud to me, creating another product and improving it as I go.
To put it another way: I'm disappointed with my progress, but still enjoying writing again, and my playlist is superlative.
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The Dragonrealm is very reminiscent of World of Warcraft, even though it was started many years before.
"Dude, John Carter looks so laaame. All it is is ripoffs of Star Wars and Dune."
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 09:30 AM (5YB/b)
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Although Knaak hasn't written any stories for Magic: The Gathering (to my knowledge), there's an argument to be made that the game takes some inspiration from the Dragonrealm series. It has that vibe.
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"Dude, John Carter looks so laaame. All it is is ripoffs of Star Wars and Dune."
And all that Shakespeare stuff? It's just a bunch of old quotes strung together...
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 09:32 AM (q3u5l)
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Or you can specialize in creating hateful characters and fill every page with their weird and pointless exploits.
-John Irving
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 03, 2026 09:32 AM (RIvkX)
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George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire is way ahead of the curve...
If I can believe the post office tracking page, you should be getting the box I sent you some time tomorrow.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 09:35 AM (q3u5l)
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>>Poor Tolkien didn't know what to do with the man.
IIRC, Tolkien had 2 specific complaints about Lewis's fiction: first, his 'cordial dislike' of allegory and second, that Lewis never developed a consistent style. Took a long time to read That Hideous Strength for the first time because it was such a jarring shift from Out of the Silent Planet & Perelandra.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 09:36 AM (NcvvS)
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Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 03, 2026 09:32 AM (ZOv7s)
Do you do all your own editing? I was introduced to a dev-ed who has reasonable rates.
Starting and stopping a draft can be hard. At least MP4 has completed it. I'm trying to finish one, but keep worrying about the completed one that only needs a copyedit.
Do either of you think it's a good idea to be working on more than one project at a time when you get stuck?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:37 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Good morning fellow reading enthusiasts.
I am now finishing up the 10th Zelazny book in the giant book of all 10 books. Surprisingly, I have found the last two books to be really really good. I loved the first five when I read them years ago. Found 6,7, and 8 slow going but have not been able to put book down since. Not sure what the change was except the writing just seemed more precise? Learned a new word.
Hypnogogia
Definition to follow, but do you know it?
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Good morning horde. Sorry to hear about Jasmine Perfesser. Not a lot of reading this week for unknown (or unanalyzed) reasons. I did make significant progress on To The Finland Station and it is fascinating. Just getting into Marx and Engels. Knowing how it turns out, I have no sympathy for what they are planning, but the description of English working class life makes it easy to see why so many thought that something HAD to change in the system.
Posted by: who knew at May 03, 2026 09:38 AM (+ViXu)
83My wife and I just started Water and Power by William Karhl. The book was mentioned this past week by Buck, I think. We are not Californians, but it is an interesting story about how water turned a rather dubious area without much promise into Los Angeles.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 03, 2026 09:25 AM (2ap+5)
If you like that, you might enjoy Gary Krist's The Mirage Factory: Illusion, Imagination and the Invention of Los Angeles
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:38 AM (qRla/)
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Parker, Richard Stark's antihero, is a tough pro criminal who robs companies. He's not a guy you'd care to spend any time with. But you read with a kind of gleeful horror about his difficulties with each new heist, betrayals by his fellow crooks, etc., and almost want him to get away with whatever he's up to.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:25 AM (wzUl9)
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Evelyn Waugh's Basil Seal is a despicable cad, an unrepentant serial adulterer and thief, absolutely ruthless. He is also hilarious in his scheming. His penultimate appearance was in Put Out More Flags, which was about the Smart Set going to war in 1939.
In the years afterward, Waugh moved on to more religious and contemplative themes, while retaining his wicket wit, thus Brideshead Revisited and the Sword of Honour trilogy, however he did write a short story, "Basil Seal Rides Again" that is perhaps the funniest thing I've read since Bored of the Rings. I wept with laughter over the ending, almost needed an oxygen tank. Perfect payoff.
If I can believe the post office tracking page, you should be getting the box I sent you some time tomorrow.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026
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Then I don't need to visit the library for some more books just yet! Thanks!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:39 AM (wzUl9)
86Hypnogogia
Definition to follow, but do you know it?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 03, 2026
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Sleep-learning?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:40 AM (wzUl9)
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I've been tearing through _There Is No Antimemetics Division_. If you're familiar with the "SCP Foundation" online shared world project, this book obviously has its roots there. But it's very well done, at least so far. I'm halfway in and eager to get more reading time.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 09:40 AM (78a2H)
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Good morning, everyone. Still slogging through Don Quixote for my book club. I like it, but haven't had much time to read it due to travels and visitors.
I do want to put in a plug for our NoVaMoMe on June 20 - I just got a request for info (hi L, if you are reading!) and it made me realize I have been delinquent in harassing you all. So consider yourself harassed! And please join us.
Link to info in sidebar, or email me at NoVaMoMe at proton.me.
Posted by: bluebell at May 03, 2026 09:40 AM (afFes)
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I am now finishing up the 10th Zelazny book in the giant book of all 10 books. Surprisingly, I have found the last two books to be really really good. I loved the first five when I read them years ago. Found 6,7, and 8 slow going but have not been able to put book down since. Not sure what the change was except the writing just seemed more precise? Learned a new word.
Hypnogogia
Definition to follow, but do you know it?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 03, 2026 09:38 AM (kJmSS)
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Although the consensus seems to be that the first 5 books are the best, I actually liked the last 5 books in the series more.
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Jasmine Us y-chromes who know the love of a feline understand it.
There's even a subtle hint of Ace in the picture.
Posted by: Dark Litigator at May 03, 2026 09:41 AM (W5mpo)
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I am reading Boyd by Robert Coram. John Boyd was a fighter pilot, that changed the Air Force. Best known for the OODA loop, he was a pain in the ass to the generals. The Marines claimed him as their own at his death. He was an amazing man and the book is well written and entertaining
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 03, 2026 09:41 AM (wOXCn)
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Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading.
Perfessor,
I hope the memory of Jasmine remains a warm spot in your life.
Posted by: JTB at May 03, 2026 09:41 AM (yTvNw)
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I've been tearing through _There Is No Antimemetics Division_. If you're familiar with the "SCP Foundation" online shared world project, this book obviously has its roots there. But it's very well done, at least so far. I'm halfway in and eager to get more reading time.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 09:40 AM (78a2H)
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The SCP Foundation website is crazy weird if you like that sort of thing (and I do!)
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Why did my heart symbol not show up after "Jasmine"? Just mentally insert a heart emoji.
Posted by: Dark Litigator at May 03, 2026 09:42 AM (W5mpo)
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Then I don't need to visit the library for some more books just yet! Thanks!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:39 AM (wzUl9)
So, the post office workers are conscientious in NOLA, unlike the rest of government employees?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:42 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Us y-chromes who know the love of a feline understand it.
There's even a subtle hint of Ace in the picture.
Posted by: Dark Litigator at May 03, 2026 09:41 AM (W5mpo)
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It's the sagging shelves, isn't it?
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I had read a review on Substack about Yesteryear. She also panned the book. Seems to be poorly written.
Sorry about Jasmine kitty, Perfessor. I know you miss her.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 03, 2026 09:43 AM (wOXCn)
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When you write "Zelazny," I assume that you're referring to the Amber series.
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026 09:43 AM (p/isN)
101Do either of you think it's a good idea to be working on more than one project at a time when you get stuck?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:37 AM (1Ff7Z)
I don't know. I have changed gears and penned a couple of Book Thread posts while wondering how to finish, but I find that the best way for me to go on is to take some time to read old movie magazines or books about early Hollywood. If I immerse myself in that world - which, sadly, also depresses the hell out of me - I find I can go back to writing with a bit of confidence.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:43 AM (qRla/)
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Do you do all your own editing? I was introduced to a dev-ed who has reasonable rates.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:37 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I first do a hard-copy edit to fix obvious errors. I then send the ms to test readers, who can find things I missed but also ask about characters and story.
At that point, I will read it aloud to my wife out of the proof book, because it also makes errors really obvious, but I may instead just have it read out of Amazon's audio things.
My non-fiction books drew volunteer editors out of the Horde who had expressed particular interest in the subject matter and/or contributed research materials.
That sounds very similar to the plot for Subterranean by James Rollins. Looks like both came out in 1999. I really liked Subterranean, I’ll definitely have to check out The Descent, looks interesting with the periodic interactions with humanity. Thanks!
Posted by: Bryce at May 03, 2026 09:44 AM (5GspC)
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When I don't finish a book, it's because I hate the characters. Not every person in a book should be completely unlikable. Give me someone to like. If I don't get that in the first thirty pages, I'll stop. It happens surprisingly often, these days. Either I'm losing patience or books are getting worse.
Posted by: huerfano at May 03, 2026 09:21 AM (98kQX)
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It is for this exact reason that I quit reading The Girl on the Train some years back. I hated every character in it and didn't care a whit what happened to them.
Posted by: bluebell at May 03, 2026 09:44 AM (afFes)
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You've got Tolkien, who writes such consistent, tightly woven, integrated backstory to his world that the story is almost an afterthought to the history, and then you have Lewis, who just combines elements from various myths and religions willy-nilly like he's at a cafeteria--but it works, which is even more confounding. I bet there was some tension at their get-togethers at the Bird and Baby. "What the heck is this, Lewis?!"
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes. at May 03, 2026 09:44 AM (kpS4V)
107 Then I don't need to visit the library for some more books just yet! Thanks!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:39 AM (wzUl9)
So, the post office workers are conscientious in NOLA, unlike the rest of government employees?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026
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Not really. But my regular mailman knows me. If I stand on my step when he's at the curb, he will often bring me a package that is a little too big for the mailbox, or leave it behind the screen door.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:45 AM (wzUl9)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:45 AM (qRla/)
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I assume that you're referring to the Amber series.
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026 09:43 AM (p/isN)
(Surprised intake of breath)
Posted by: Spinster on park bench reading at May 03, 2026 09:45 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Huh. Since I never actually read the comic, and since the only thing I remember from the TV series is the tight outfits on its women (yay 1970s), I might actually be able to read the novellas and not be polluted by the later stuff. Unless they tell me I can't make the women hot
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 09:46 AM (5YB/b)
111Bruce Stirling's "Heavy Weather" is a perfectly preserved charcuterie board of 90's dystopian cyberpunk tropes...
I lived in the SF bay area when that book came out and got my copy signed when Sterling came to the specialty store in Palo Alto whose name escapes me at the moment. As it happened, there were severe thunderstorms in central Texas that week. I made a mention that he was out promoting a book titled "Heavy Weather" in sunny California while all hell was breaking loose back home (his and mine). He inscribed my copy with "All hell's breaking loose in Texas!"
Posted by: Oddbob at May 03, 2026 09:46 AM (vTZFs)
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Unless they tell me I can't make the women hot
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 09:46 AM (5YB/b)
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It's pulp science fiction.
consciousness between wakefulness and sleep (sleep onset). It is characterized by vivid sensory hallucinations, such as lights, patterns, sounds, or sensations, and fluid, illogical thought processes. Affecting nearly everyone, this state involves a mix of alpha and theta brain waves and can be used to boost creativity
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SF superstar Larry Niven was once recruited for an attempt, possibly for a comics series, to make plausible the original Buck Rogers concepts and to write new adventures within the updated framework. I don't know if it ever came to anything.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:48 AM (wzUl9)
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Reading Victor Davis Hanson's "The Second World Wars."
Money quote: "World War 2 is the story of the losers killing tens of millions of Chinese and Russian and Eastern European civilians, while the winners mostly killed soldiers."
Posted by: Sharkman at May 03, 2026 09:48 AM (/RHNq)
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Starting and stopping a draft can be hard. At least MP4 has completed it. I'm trying to finish one, but keep worrying about the completed one that only needs a copyedit.
Do either of you think it's a good idea to be working on more than one project at a time when you get stuck?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:37 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I maintain a spreadsheet of all of my writing projects to track their progress. If I hit a snag or lose interest, I drop it and move onto something else. I do not have the bandwith to work on more than one book at a time.
When I am stuck or between projects, I just pick up my blogging, commenting here, or writing articles for Bleeding Fool.
I do not consider any writing wasted effort, because several times I have taken abandoned projects and recycled them into something I can complete. Man of Destiny started as Deep Space, a completely unrelated sci-fi story that was to that point the longest thing I ever wrote.
Scorpion's Pass was begun (and abandoned) in college as a completely different story, but elements were pulled out of it. Vampires of Michigan was started in the late 1990s and heavily rewritten.
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Ace at 9:28 I agree. Back in the 70s and 80s I read a lot of John McPhee who wrote books about cod fish, oranges, failed dirigible projects and geology and made it all interesting. I enjoyed it all and it taught me that pretty much everything is interesting if you dig deep enough and the writer is good enough to tell the story.
Posted by: who knew at May 03, 2026 09:49 AM (+ViXu)
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He inscribed my copy with "All hell's breaking loose in Texas!"
Posted by: Oddbob at May 03, 2026 09:46 AM (vTZFs)
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That's awesome!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes. at May 03, 2026 09:49 AM (kpS4V)
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Mention of C.S. Lewis reminds me that I have an annotated, hardcover edition of The Screwtape Letters that I have been meaning to dip into. I thought I might keep it in my briefcase and read something from it when I had to wait at a coffee shop or the like. But it's really too big to fit easily into the case.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:51 AM (wzUl9)
121I do want to put in a plug for our NoVaMoMe on June 20 - I just got a request for info (hi L, if you are reading!) and it made me realize I have been delinquent in harassing you all. So consider yourself harassed! And please join us.
Link to info in sidebar, or email me at NoVaMoMe at proton.me.
Posted by: bluebell at May 03, 2026 09:40 AM (afFes)
Can you send me the details, Bluebell? I'd like to go.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:52 AM (qRla/)
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Just finished up _U.F.O._ by Garrett Graff. I had some doubts at first because he's primarily a journalist and so did that annoying thing journalists do when covering paranormal topics, of trying to be "balanced" or non-judgmental. However, he does let the crackpots have all the rope they need to hang themselves.
His topic is specifically the US Government and aliens, so he weirdly winds up writing about UFO flaps, bogus "whistleblowers" and conspiracy theories -- but also SETI and NASA astrobiology (very cursory).
It's not as great as _Watch the Skies!_ by Curtiss Peebles, but it does cover more recent stuff and does a good job of looking at UFO lore from other countries (which is odd given the USG focus otherwise). Still, recommended.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 09:52 AM (78a2H)
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I find that the best way for me to go on is to take some time to read old movie magazines or books about early Hollywood. If I immerse myself in that world - which, sadly, also depresses the hell out of me - I find I can go back to writing with a bit of confidence.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:43 AM (qRla/)
You've spoken about the fashions of the day, but what do you think of the 20s, 30s cars?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 09:52 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Yes, the Amber series in one book that I had to figure out how to prop up in order to comfortably read it. The reason that word Hypnogogia jumped out at me is because it was typical of how I thought the writing had stepped up a level. A lot of the Amber stories are like that. Walking through Shadow is similar to dream state. How Zelazny moves characters from one setting to another, from Amber to Chaos. From real Earth to magical places. I think I went deeper into the stories than when I read them as pure fantasy.
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Lily is asleep on her perch but just trilled. I wonder what she's dreaming about.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes. at May 03, 2026 09:54 AM (kpS4V)
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Currently reading Flying Lessons by Scott Grange. Scott was a childhood friend of mine and his father one of my science teachers. Both have passed. I had not seen Scott since High School.
This is an almost true story derived from notes and letters found after his grandfather, and unkown to the family, a famous B-24 pilot who never talked about it, passing. The notes are just being found where I am at now.
One of the hard things about this book is I know the original location and see through the socks.
Another childhood friend, an NTSB investigator, helped edit and fact check. He aldo stole my 8th grade girlfriend.
Sorry to hear about the passing of Jasmine perfessor.
Never an easy thing to handle.
Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 09:54 AM (vKmKk)
127Reading Victor Davis Hanson's "The Second World Wars."
I see Tom Hanks is putting out a multi-part WW2 documentary.
**shrugs**
I think The World At War said all that needs to be said.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:55 AM (qRla/)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 03, 2026 09:55 AM (RIvkX)
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Oh Jasmine, we still miss our sweet babies. They forever live in our hearts. May her love and mischief make you smile.
Been reading Louise Penny the Gamache novels. Finished The Beautiful Mystery and loved the background about Gregorian chants and music. Love leaving something when reading. However, hit the character (Jean-Guy) who trusts Gamache etc but goes in to believe hook line and sinker a know corrupt upper lever boss in no time. I dislike when that happens in stories. Other than that enjoying the series. Will note I don’t care for all characters and a few heavy handed moments but overall like the scenery and learning by little bits of things in each of her novels.
Posted by: Hyacinth at May 03, 2026 09:55 AM (Fcxgc)
Posted by: the Barrel at May 03, 2026 09:56 AM (5YB/b)
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Field Notes recently came out with notebooks that included a copy of the Maltese Falcon. It was designed like the books made for soldiers in WWII. Might fit in your briefcase better.
https://tinyurl.com/s4h269ha
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 03, 2026 09:56 AM (wOXCn)
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If I immerse myself in that world - which, sadly, also depresses the hell out of me - I find I can go back to writing with a bit of confidence.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:43 AM (qRla/)
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This is a very important point. A great way to regain enthusiasm for a project is to revisit your favorite things about the genre or topic. Writing about vampires? Take a break and watch vampire movies. Writing a military history of China? Time to hold a mini-film festival with "The Last Emperor," "The Sand Pebbles," "55 Days in Peking," etc.
I think the biggest reason I've never written a book in the fantasy genre is that I read Tolkien for inspiration, and then just end up reading even more Tolkien.
I should mention that I shifted from his letters and idly picked up The Silmarillion, and am once again hooked.
134You've spoken about the fashions of the day, but what do you think of the 20s, 30s cars?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026
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We were told in several of the early Ellery Queen novels (1930s, but set earlier) that Ellery drove an ancient racing version of a Duesenberg: not one of the huge hyper-expensive SJs, but a "relic." I've always wanted to find a pic of one of those. Unless the EQ cousins were simply making it up, which is possible.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:56 AM (wzUl9)
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OK, I am off to the barrel. Hope you all have a lovely day.
OrangeEnt, I am partial to cars of the 20s, but the 30s are too Art Deco for my tastes.
**waves goodbye**
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:56 AM (qRla/)
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WTF? I keep closing my tabs!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:55 AM (qRla/)
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One day, I will come to you, and ask for a favor.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 03, 2026 09:57 AM (RIvkX)
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Now that retirement is officially here, it's time for me to do some writing. I have some ideas for nonfiction essays. I've decided to break myself into it by sending people handwritten letters.
It's very old school. No one does it anymore. But I think it's what I'm supposed to do right now. Three written and sent so far.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at May 03, 2026 09:58 AM (2Ez/1)
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MP4, I hope you make it to the NoVa MOMe. You were at my very first MoMe in 2020 and part of my introduction to the Horde. ❤️
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Money quote: "World War 2 is the story of the losers killing tens of millions of Chinese and Russian and Eastern European civilians, while the winners mostly killed soldiers."
Posted by: Sharkman at May 03, 2026 09:48 AM (/RHNq)
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Stalin more than compensated for the Western Allies' compassion for their defeated enemies.
The biggest loser of WW II was not Germany or Japan, but China. It's still losing to this day.
140Field Notes recently came out with notebooks that included a copy of the Maltese Falcon. It was designed like the books made for soldiers in WWII. Might fit in your briefcase better.
https://tinyurl.com/s4h269ha
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 03, 2026
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It would, and I wish they could produce more items from that time period.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:00 AM (wzUl9)
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I haven't written anything of note using a paper and pen since the 80s but I can type and have a conversation at the same time.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 03, 2026 10:00 AM (RIvkX)
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Wolfus: Niven and Pournelle did do a Buck Rogers novel, possibly with a third collaborator, but I can't recall the title. Their premise was that the collapse of civilization wasn't due to gangsters running out of control but rather the comet impact shown in their disaster novel Lucifer's Hammer.
I think there were also caches of alien technology which were responsible for the bad guys' super-science -- and I think Buck's own preservation from the 20th to the 24 1/2th Century was due to that as well.
The Dille family owned at least some of the Buck Rogers rights, and for a while Lorraine Dille Williams was head of TSR before they got bought by WOTC. Hence the constant stream of Buck Rogers games from TSR which all went down in flames like a Han airship.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 10:01 AM (78a2H)
At signing events, most authors will just sit there and sign their name as quickly and silently as they can. Sterling will say hello to each person who walks up and engage in a few seconds of light conversation and often grab some phase from it to add to his signature. He struck me as a guy you could enjoy a beer with.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 03, 2026 10:01 AM (vTZFs)
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Posted by: Quarter Twenty at May 03, 2026 09:58 AM (2Ez/1
IIRC GHW Bush had a book with letters he had written .
It's also why we know so much about Van Gogh and his paintings.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:02 AM (kxLc1)
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Not only did I finish it, but I am reading over -probably for the fourth time- or fifth time " The Joy of Fill Surrender" by Jean Pierre de Caussade ) (1675-1751) French Jesuit and devotional writer. I got the version from Paraclete Press and I like the translation. Its always a book that grounds me spiritually and lifts my spirits.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2026 10:02 AM (TIRHP)
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I rarely read about anyone here reading Stephen Hunter books. He used to be my go to author.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:03 AM (kxLc1)
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>>>What are some reasons why YOU don't finish books?
If the book is overly descriptive, I'll get bored with it and eventually abandon it. I don't need 3 pages of text describing the wallpaper pattern in the den.
To keep me interested, I need two things: action and dialogue.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 03, 2026 10:05 AM (syz1S)
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Miss Linda also brought me a new novel from the library called Cat's People: "A stray cat brings together five strangers over the course of one fateful summer in this heartwarming novel about love, found family, and the power of connection." That sounds like the kind of novel the Reader's Digest would have selected for their Condensed Books long ago.
It's by one Tanya Guerrero, "Filipino and Spanish by birth," who "lives in a shipping container home in Manila with her husband, their daughter, and a menagerie of rescued cats and dogs."
Could be woke, could be good. We'll see.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:05 AM (wzUl9)
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The Dille family owned at least some of the Buck Rogers rights, and for a while Lorraine Dille Williams was head of TSR before they got bought by WOTC. Hence the constant stream of Buck Rogers games from TSR which all went down in flames like a Han airship.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 10:01 AM (78a2H)
That story would make a great novel. You could even call it a comedy. I researched the whole downfall of TSR about 10 years ago and damn were they NOT good businessmen. Great gamers but bad at every other aspect of everything.
Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 10:05 AM (vKmKk)
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There are several reasons I'll stop reading a book early. Sometimes I'm just not in the mood for that kind of story. Maybe I want an adventure and opened something contemplative. Another time I might devour it in a sitting. Any kind of political posturing by the author that gets in the way of the story, even if I agree with it, stops reading fast. (Ayn Rand has the subtlety of a sledge hammer.) Woke ideology won't get past the first few pages. Plain old bad writing. Even if the story idea is intriguing, clumsy writing will kill it for me.
I think the Matt Helm series is one of the best examples of successful story telling. The character and circumstances are established quickly and effectively. The plot continues with plenty of description and detail but keeps things moving. The last part brings a resolution and a brief denoument that leaves the reader satisfied.
Posted by: JTB at May 03, 2026 10:06 AM (yTvNw)
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Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 03, 2026 09:59 AM (ZOv7s)
China did a pretty good job killing itself. Freaking psychopath pedo rapist Mao.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:06 AM (kxLc1)
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143 SanFranpsycho, you have lovely penmanship .
Posted by: Ben Had at May 03, 2026 10:01 AM (Cif43)
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ha! Thank you dear.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 03, 2026 10:06 AM (RIvkX)
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Condolences and a slightly altered song verse for for the top pic, Perfesser:
Lift me, won't you lift me above the old routine
Play it nice, make it clean "Jasmine."
(Jazzman, a Carole King song)
Posted by: Rex B at May 03, 2026 10:06 AM (a992C)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2026 10:02 AM (TIRHP)
"Full" not "Fill"
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2026 10:06 AM (1Vo6X)
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I'm working my way through Mao's Army Goes to Sea by Toshi Yoshihara. This was published the year after Walls of Men came out, so I couldn't use it as a source. It is the origin story of the Peoples Liberation Army Navy (yes, every branch of China's armed services is a subset of the PLA, hence PLAN, PLAAF, etc.).
This is a heavily padded book. It should be a monograph. It is 159 pages long, but if you strip out the throat-clearing at the beginning and the index and bibliography at the end, it's maybe 120 pages, and that includes a huge chunk of often unnecessary footnotes. It is interesting, and I'm compelled to read it by current events. I think I will agree with the author, but 35 pages in, I'm still waiting for him to get to his thesis.
157 I rarely read about anyone here reading Stephen Hunter books. He used to be my go to author.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026
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I read his first novel, The Master Sniper, long ago and was impressed by his use of one-line paragraphs, one-line scenes, to move the story at the fast-paced climax.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:06 AM (wzUl9)
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I need to recommend a perfectly delightful book that just published. Twin Star by Mike Kupari. Science fiction with a stiff upper lip. from a homage to Jeeves and Wooster (and maybe a touch of Pride and Prejudice) to a ripping adventure at the edge of space with a villain as seductive as Niven and Pournelle's Moties. An ending that leaves room for more. I fervently hope.
Posted by: markneedsanic at May 03, 2026 10:07 AM (llDFK)
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Can you send me the details, Bluebell? I'd like to go.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at May 03, 2026 09:52 AM (qRla/)
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Sure! That would be wonderful. Please shoot me an email - NoVaMoMe at proton.me and I'll send all the deets.
Posted by: bluebell at May 03, 2026 10:07 AM (afFes)
160Unless the EQ cousins were simply making it up, which is possible.
Hello.
Posted by: Hirondel driven by Simon Templar at May 03, 2026 10:07 AM (p/isN)
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:08 AM (kxLc1)
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Reforger: That book has already been written, twice, by the same guy. Look up Jon Peterson's two books, Playing at the World (a general history of RPGs), and The Game Wizards (specifically about TSR). Very thoroughly researched.
And yes, TSR was not run well. Apparently when WOTC took over they discovered whole pallets of first edition D&D products in the warehouse which were not on any inventory list. Rather than search through the warehouse the TSR people just ordered reprints instead.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 10:09 AM (78a2H)
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29 The book I am halfway through is the most deserving The Sky People by S.M. Stirling. In an alternate world, the USSR and the US discover in 1962 that Venus is no only quite habitable, but is also inhabited -- by creatures puzzlingly like our dinosaurs, Neanderthals, and modern humans. When the main story opens in 1988, there are Earth stations on the northern continent, and humans trade with the locals, who refer to the humans as the Sky People.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 09:11 AM (wzUl9)
I read that book when I was coming off a kick of reading Edgar Rice Burrough's original Carson of Venus books. Serling's book was enjoyable, but clearly derivative. Well, I guess that is to be expected when writing a homage. I read Serling's first Mars book, but never continued after that.
Also, huzzah, my comment from last week got featured!
Posted by: Castle Guy at May 03, 2026 10:09 AM (N5RnR)
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Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:06 AM (wzUl9)
The first book of his I read was Dirty White Boys. As you indicated it's a very easy read and fast paced.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:10 AM (kxLc1)
165I think the Matt Helm series is one of the best examples of successful story telling. The character and circumstances are established quickly and effectively. The plot continues with plenty of description and detail but keeps things moving. The last part brings a resolution and a brief denoument that leaves the reader satisfied.
Posted by: JTB at May 03, 2026
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I don't think I've ever read a book from the Fawcett Gold Medal paperback line that didn't have what you describe. John D. MacDonald was one of their standard authors, for example, with his standalone crime novels and his Travis McGee series.
Long ago, I read advice to authors: If you wanted to sell to Gold Medal, you should read a higher level of writing, like Hemingway or Steinbeck.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:10 AM (wzUl9)
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Eris, you did a much better review of Sterling's Heavy Weather than I did.
I remember waiting for it to come into the bookstores in the 90's, and then life happened and I read it 30 years later.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 03, 2026 10:11 AM (rbvCR)
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in the 80's though, so it has been 40 years later.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 03, 2026 10:11 AM (rbvCR)
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China did a pretty good job killing itself. Freaking psychopath pedo rapist Mao.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:06 AM (kxLc1)
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The US tied Chiang Kai-shek's hands, forcing him to accept cease-fire after cease-fire and trying to push him into a coalition government with Mao, all the why the Communists were arming and recruiting. Much of the anti-KMT stuff was a bunch of CYA by our incompetent leadership.
Hence the heated debate about who "lost" China. The KMT knew how to beat the Reds, and did it during the 1930s (hence the Long March). Absent US meddling, Chiang could have wiped them out in the winter of 1945.
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Dunces, I'll admit, is an acquired taste. The humor may not be for everyone and Ignatius is a hard character to like even for a comedy. Hammer is long, I admit, but the setup as the comet approaches is important to the story overall.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:13 AM (wzUl9)
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Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 03, 2026 10:11 AM (ZOv7s)
Tells me we had a lot of Commies in the State Department.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:13 AM (kxLc1)
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Lloyd: what do you think a China run by Chiang's government would have looked like? A bigger Japan, or a kleptostate?
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 10:13 AM (78a2H)
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Posted by: markneedsanic at May 03, 2026 10:07 AM (llDFK)
Sounds good!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2026 10:14 AM (+hwtP)
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Over on 1d6chan they call Lorraine "You Know Who".
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 10:15 AM (5YB/b)
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Absent US meddling, Chiang could have wiped them out in the winter of 1945.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 03, 2026 10:11 AM (ZOv7s)
Are you implying, sir, that our illustrious state department would have been hoping for Mao's victory, and did everything it could to stop Chiang from winning?!
Why, that's preposterous! I shannot believe it!
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 10:15 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 10:13 AM (78a2H)
It would look like Taiwan. ( Taiwan was as brutal at the beginning with suspected commies as Mao was with Suspected Nationalists.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:16 AM (kxLc1)
176Unless the EQ cousins were simply making it up, which is possible.
Hello.
Posted by: Hirondel driven by Simon Templar at May 03, 2026
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True, but they used the Duesenberg name instead of making one up. I'm used to the Ian Fleming technique of using real brand names and products in fiction (Rolex, Bentley, Beretta, Walther), which people didn't do until fairly recently.
Rex Stout made up his brand names: Wethersill and Heron cars, Marley pistols, rug brands and door locks, all sorts of things. He did once have Archie mention that Wolfe had bought a new Cadillac, which gives you a good picture of what the Heron sedans he owned and Archie drove were like.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:16 AM (wzUl9)
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With CJ Cherryh's retirement the possibilities of a Mri and Human alliance will never be explored. Nor Humans being wise enough to let the Mri break their own path again.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2026 10:18 AM (4cCz1)
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As I demonstrated in Walls of Men, the KMT fought fiercely against the Japanese, and stories of corruption are besides the point. China has always been corrupt. It's baked into the system.
The KMT was simply overmatched and lacked the industrial capacity to equip enough troops. They lacked both air power and artillery, which gave the Japanese a huge tactical advantage, and yet the KMT repeatedly knocked them back.
By the time the war ended, the KMT was bled out, and (as we afterwards saw), it was big but brittle. Chiang was a capable commander, but very traditional, and believed that the key to conquest was holding cities, not the countryside. Thanks to the huge trove of weapons and equipment the Soviets handed over to Mao (mostly captured Japanese stuff), the Red Army now had the means to impose sieges on much of Manchuria rather than fighting the best troops head-on.
But if you rewind to September 1945, Chiang was ready to finish off the Communist enclave in Shanxi.
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As I continue with Malcolm Guite's epic ballad "Galahad and the Grail", I am increasingly curious about the other sources of Arthurian legends. I've started collecting physical copies of The Mabinogion, Le Morte D'Arthur (Caxton and Winchester versions), Roger Lancelyn Green's King Arthur and His Knights of the Round Table, and Chretien De Troyes Arthur stories. And, of course, Tennyson's Idylls of the King.
Inexpensive ebooks are available but I think these are books I want to hold in my hand and possibly pass along to later generations.
Posted by: JTB at May 03, 2026 10:19 AM (yTvNw)
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Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2026 10:18 AM (4cCz
Sebaceans ? 😀
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:19 AM (kxLc1)
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True, but they used the Duesenberg name instead of making one up.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:16 AM (wzUl9)
Per research, Duesenberg had a model SJ, but it came out in the early thirties, not twenties, so I doubt it'd be a relic if EQ was talking about earlier in his career. Pix on internet show it was a sedan and a coupe.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 10:20 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Apropos of nothing, the mention of brand names in fiction (which does lend a little touch of reality to things) reminds me of one of the funnier bits in Repo Man. Emilio Estevez opens the refrigerator and there on the shelves are cans labeled simply 'Food.'
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 10:21 AM (q3u5l)
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Oh, and Stout did have an Oldsmobile in one novel. Archie tells us that the Olds Fifty is the only stock car (in ca. 1952) "that can top a hundred and ten."
Chandler used real car names, Chrysler and Olds.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:21 AM (wzUl9)
184
I reminded myself of a curse word they used in Farscape that never caught on.
Frail this . What the Frail ?
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:22 AM (kxLc1)
185
Tells me we had a lot of Commies in the State Department.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:13 AM (kxLc1)
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Yes, but it also came down to people who had no practical experience of statecraft and were blinded by the American conceit that tradition-aristocracy-empire are all bad things, and so everyone against them is a proto-republican nationalist.
The same thing happened in Europe. "Hey guys, just form a unity government! Compromise and do electoral politics!" Communists all swore allegiance to the new regime and then immediately undermined it.
"Hey, not fair, stop that!" Remember, the US only warmed up to Franco after the Iron Curtain fell. Even then, Spain could not join NATO and instead signed a bilateral defense pact with the US. The Republican government continued in exile long after WW II.
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A side benefit of reading Guite's Galahad and the Grail is it reawakened my appreciation of Chesterton's Ballad of the White Horse. Both for the story and the poetic form. I went through the first pages out loud which reinforced the enjoyment and power of the ballad format.
Posted by: JTB at May 03, 2026 10:22 AM (yTvNw)
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If China was more like Taiwan it would be scary. Taiwan's per capita GDP is three times mainland China's. If Chiang could get anything close to that China would rule the world.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 10:22 AM (78a2H)
188
Emilio Estevez opens the refrigerator and there on the shelves are cans labeled simply 'Food.'
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 10:21 AM (q3u5l)
Food aid used to come in silver cardboard packages. Maybe it should be done that way again instead of cash cards.
Stuff could be shipped in plain packaging so the moochers feelings don't get hurt.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 10:23 AM (1Ff7Z)
189
What are some reasons why YOU don't finish books?
--Our Host
Usually I give up books because I don't like or actively hate the protagonist. Either as a character, or as a faction.
there is a fantasy series (The Burried Goddess) that I specifically remember giving up on; for a related reason. The book followed the typical fantasy-epic-trope of having several point-of-view characters, each on different barely-related quests, and switching between them each chapter. After a few books, the author added a new pov character, with a new pov faction...and I quickly came to dread those chapters. I didn't want the story to expand, I wanted it to come to a conclusion, and I actively didn't like the new faction. So, after a while I eventually came to one of the new pov chapters and just...closed the book, and never got around to opening it again.
Posted by: Castle Guy at May 03, 2026 10:23 AM (N5RnR)
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My two most favorite fictional brand names are Duff Beer and Alamo Beer.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:24 AM (kxLc1)
Fleming also used actual events. In one book, Bond is assigned to a review committee after Burgess and MacLean escaped. He makes no friends by calling the intelligence service "retired officrrs of the Indian Army."
And in "Thunderball," he is said to have wrenched his back when he jumped off a train during the Hungarian uprising. I would love to have read that story.
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026 10:24 AM (p/isN)
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We also can't ignore the other State Dept. folly of saying "this guy who is allied with us does unsavory things and isn't a perfect angel, so I guess we should let him fall rather than realize that what comes next will be a nightmare.
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Chandler used real car names, Chrysler and Olds.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:21 AM (wzUl9)
I see no reason not to use real names for anything, unless it's far future or fantasy.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 10:24 AM (1Ff7Z)
194Per research, Duesenberg had a model SJ, but it came out in the early thirties, not twenties, so I doubt it'd be a relic if EQ was talking about earlier in his career. Pix on internet show it was a sedan and a coupe.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026
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Right, that's all I've been able to find. Ellery's car was a roadster, an open car. In Egyptian Cross he drives it in a rainstorm, wearing a slicker and a hat; apparently the car has no convertible top.
The early stories were supposed to be set earlier, during the post-WWI era, being published now (1929 et seq.) that Ellery had retired to Italy. If Duesenberg didn't exist as a company before the Thirties, then I suspect the EQ cousins made the racing relic up.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:24 AM (wzUl9)
195
I can't recall any books which I didn't finish. I'm sure there are some. I just cant recall them now. I do recall finishing "The Mirror of Her Dreams" by Stephen Donaldson and then throwing it against the wall- the villain was so awful. It made me not want to read anything by Stephen R. Donaldson again, who is supposedly a well regarded author and quite prolific
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2026 10:25 AM (zMLZ6)
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Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 03, 2026 10:22 AM (ZOv7s)
Not lining up with Franco is still part of the commie state department .
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:26 AM (kxLc1)
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China has always been corrupt. It's baked into the system.
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You know, like congress.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 03, 2026 10:26 AM (ndZc7)
198And in "Thunderball," he is said to have wrenched his back when he jumped off a train during the Hungarian uprising. I would love to have read that story.
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026
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It's told in fascinating detail in John Pearson's Authorized Biography of James Bond! Pearson also tells us how Bond got the Bentley he'd kept during the war, how he got that scar on his face, and about his first 00 kills. Great stuff.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:26 AM (wzUl9)
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If China was more like Taiwan it would be scary. Taiwan's per capita GDP is three times mainland China's. If Chiang could get anything close to that China would rule the world.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 10:22 AM (78a2H)
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The years between 1928 and 1937 are referred to as China's Golden Decade, when the KMT brought the first peace and order to the country in decades. Economic growth surged, and the first steps towards a modern China were taken.
Then the Fire Nation attacked, and everything changed.
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190 My two most favorite fictional brand names are Duff Beer and Alamo Beer.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg
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Remember: if it doesn't say Binford on it, somebody else makes it.
Posted by: Tim The Tool Man Taylor at May 03, 2026 10:28 AM (2Ez/1)
201
I wouldn't trust any history ran through a Leftists, and Tom Hanks is one
Posted by: Skip at May 03, 2026 10:28 AM (Ia/+0)
202
Emilio Estevez opens the refrigerator and there on the shelves are cans labeled simply 'Food.'
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 10:21 AM (q3u5l)
That was right when generic labeling was becoming a thing, so it was especially hilarious. Food. Beer. Black lettering on white cans. So nihilist!
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026 10:29 AM (p/isN)
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Only 2 books in the never-finished stack: Ancient Evenings by Norman Mailer - got about 10 pages into it and threw it in the garbage; and The Education of Henry Adams - got about halfway through and was repulsed at his fulsome praise of Charles Darwin; may eventually go back and finish that one.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 10:30 AM (NcvvS)
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I wouldn't trust any history ran through a Leftists, and Tom Hanks is one
Posted by: Skip at May 03, 2026 10:28 AM (Ia/+0)
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"Saving Private Ryan" is at its core pure nihilism wrapped in nostalgia with gory special effects. Spielberg said his favorite character was the coward, because of course.
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Fake brand names (in a contemporary context) absolutely bounce me out of a story. It's as if the characters are going on vacation in the state of Sunnyland, or taking a business trip to Central City.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 10:30 AM (78a2H)
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Remember: if it doesn't say Binford on it, somebody else makes it.
Posted by: Tim The Tool Man Taylor at May 03, 2026 10:28 AM (2Ez/1)
Vogner grills
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:31 AM (kxLc1)
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To echo Perfessor's admonition for lurkers to join the thread, I agree. But be careful. Mrs. JTB was reading AOSHQ for some time before I did. She kept telling me (interrupting my reading, BTW) about books mentioned on the thread. Then I read it myself one Sunday and someone mentioned LOTR. OMG!!! That's all it took. I couldn't stay away. Since that first attempt I've been infecting Ace with comments for umpty-ump years on all sorts of topics. It's a bit addicting but has led to so much knowledge, sometimes wisdom, and wonderful friends.
Beware! The book thread can cause major strains on your book buying budget.
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I quit Anne McCaffrey when she started to turn short stories from the 1960s into novels and retroactively welding all her story universes into one.
Robert Jordan Wheel of Time series because it was plodding, he seemed to get paid by the word, and I was not sure if it would end before the heat death of the universe.
Herbert's Dune series. God Emperor of Dune was weird enough.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2026 10:31 AM (4cCz1)
211
You know, like congress.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 03, 2026 10:26 AM (ndZc7)
There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress.
Posted by: Mark Twain at May 03, 2026 10:32 AM (1Ff7Z)
212
Won't go past the 30 minute mark watching Saving Private Ryan
Posted by: Skip at May 03, 2026 10:32 AM (Ia/+0)
213
That was right when generic labeling was becoming a thing, so it was especially hilarious. Food. Beer. Black lettering on white cans. So nihilist!
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at May 03, 2026 10:28 AM (h7ZuX)
I remember liking the soda better than coke.
Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 10:32 AM (vKmKk)
214Usually I give up books because I don't like or actively hate the protagonist. Either as a character, or as a faction
Andy Weir has mused that this is why The Other Book aka Artemis didn't get the love the books before and after it did. That one's protagonist was an antihero, and although sometimes those characters sell books, Weir at heart seems a nice person who can't justify bad people.
Flawed people, sure. But not that girl.
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 10:32 AM (5YB/b)
215
Sorry again for your loss Perfesser
Your kitty in picture looks like it's saying " these are my books, where are yours?"
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 03, 2026 10:33 AM (gu0hJ)
216
Right now, in a house that has way too many books, my plan is to save the ones that give me joy and dispose of the others. This will take a looooong time, I expect t. The church down the road from my house collects as fund raiser old books but they all have to have an ISBN number. Not all of these do, so I'll have to find another way to get rid of them, and no, I don't want to just throw them out. My mother would turn over in her grave.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2026 10:33 AM (As86G)
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Fake brand names (in a contemporary context) absolutely bounce me out of a story. It's as if the characters are going on vacation in the state of Sunnyland, or taking a business trip to Central City.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 03, 2026 10:30 AM (78a2H)
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If done correctly, the add to the story. Waugh loved to make fun of American brands and viciously satirized them in The Loved One and Sword of Honour.
He also created a fake country in Black Mischief complete with its own location, geography and history, which was a pastiche of Ethiopia and Zanzibar. One of the most wickedly funny books I've ever read, and the only reason it wasn't cancelled was that the wokes are too ignorant to know about it.
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Ian Fleming wasn't the least bit shy about using brand names to create the lifestyle image and persona of a particular agent of Her Majesty's Secret Service.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at May 03, 2026 10:35 AM (2Ez/1)
219That was right when generic labeling was becoming a thing, so it was especially hilarious. Food. Beer. Black lettering on white cans. So nihilist!
Yeah, that was an interesting experiment in marketing. Remove brand labeling and make people think they were saving a few cents. It died pretty quickly when consumers figured out it was just producers trying to palm off low quality product.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 03, 2026 10:35 AM (vTZFs)
220
I loved that everything in Repo Man was generic. At the time the Oldsmobile Cutlass was the best selling car in the US and when Estevez repos his first car it is a white 4-door Olds Cutlass, until he turns a corner, then it is a white 2-door Cutlass and so on throughout the chase.. A great way to make the ultimate generic car.
Posted by: who knew at May 03, 2026 10:36 AM (+ViXu)
221
Time was, I'd have said the day Hollywood films a Stephen R Donaldson movie is the day Fenelon picks up a SRD book...
btw SRD grew up in a missionary Protestant household in India, I believe. That explains a lot about the first three Covenant books.
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 10:36 AM (5YB/b)
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Can't recall how I stumbled across the book thread -- Oregon Muse was still doing it (on rare occasions I could solve one of the Chess problems), and I lurked for a while before picking a nic and signing on. Bailed out of Facebook years ago and never did Twitter or any of the others. The book and movie threads here at AOSHQ are pretty much my only social media vices.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 10:36 AM (q3u5l)
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I remember liking the soda better than coke.
Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 10:32 AM (vKmKk)
Started finding RC down here. Haven't see it for years. Doesn't taste bad, almost as good as Coke. Has it made it up your way?
See it at Dollar Tree.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 10:36 AM (1Ff7Z)
224
Annie sends her condolences for your loss of Jasmine.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 03, 2026 10:36 AM (VmDLh)
225
To all you writers out there, is it hard to write in first person for the entirety of a book? I love survival books , Robinson Crusoe being one of the first novels I read as a kid.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:37 AM (kxLc1)
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Power corrupts, Communism corrupts absolutely
Posted by: Skip at May 03, 2026 10:31 AM (Ia/+0)
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The thing is, it really doesn't. Washington had huge amounts of power, personally led the army to put down a rebellion and yet he modeled perfect restraint.
Franco likewise did what was necessary to save his country, but built up institutions and dragged Spain into the 20th Century without famine or gulags. And the left hates him for that.
By making people of good will irrationally fear concentrated power, we ensure that only bad actors acquire it. Lord Acton was a fool, a product of a decadent and superficial age.
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Washington at heart wasn't a commie though. There were plenty of Founding Fathers who could have made excellent commies (Samuel Adams) or at least useful idiots (Thomas Paine, Lafayette) but Washington was more like Fabius or Cincinnatus or maybe even Diocletian. He wanted to get the job done, found a working country, and retire to his villa.
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 10:40 AM (5YB/b)
229
I listened to Project Hail Mary as an audiobook. A real good listen, even though I kept yelling "That's not how [project management, orbital mechanics, gas porosity, biology] works!"
I found the ending rather dissatisfying, though. That's an odd thing for me, where a happy ending is emotionally satisfying.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 03, 2026 10:41 AM (VmDLh)
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To all you writers out there, is it hard to write in first person for the entirety of a book? I love survival books , Robinson Crusoe being one of the first novels I read as a kid.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026 10:37 AM (kxLc1)
(everyone stops and turns toward Harry)
First person? That's just not done, old boy.
(lifts teacup to mouth with pinky extended)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 10:42 AM (1Ff7Z)
231Robert Jordan Wheel of Time series because it was plodding, he seemed to get paid by the word, and I was not sure if it would end before the heat death of the universe.
I was a quarter or third into book 3 when I thought "wait a sec, I've read this story" and dropped it for good. Wife is a series completionist and even she only made it through book 7 or 8.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 03, 2026 10:43 AM (vTZFs)
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210 I quit Anne McCaffrey when she started to turn short stories from the 1960s into novels and retroactively welding all her story universes into one.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 03, 2026 10:31 AM (4cCz1)
As a teen, I knew McCaffrey had written other works, but I never bothered to seek them out. I was there for the dragons! Not the magical space-ships or whatever else those stories entailed. Anyways, sounds like I may have made the right decision. Even if it was for arbitrary reasons...
Posted by: Castle Guy at May 03, 2026 10:43 AM (N5RnR)
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Cybersmythe - Weir was a computer programmer. I don't know if he still bothers because it's hard for him to get his car out of the garage which is filled with $20 bills.
I assume he knows project management from that standpoint.
His biology is magic, agreed. Roll with it or throw away all your space opera books with FtL.
Posted by: Julius Caesar at May 03, 2026 10:46 AM (5YB/b)
235
I think The World At War said all that needs to be said.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression)
Pretty much.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 03, 2026 10:47 AM (/RHNq)
236To all you writers out there, is it hard to write in first person for the entirety of a book? I love survival books , Robinson Crusoe being one of the first novels I read as a kid.
Posted by: Harry Vandenburg at May 03, 2026
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Sometimes it's very easy, if the character narrating has a unique voice, a neat way of putting things. See, again, Rex Stout's Archie Goodwin. The Wolfe books would not be anywhere near the same without his sprightly narration.
The tendency today is to have a first-person narrator for most sections, but to allow a third-person POV for certain scenes where the narrator is not present. I think that's sort of cheating. Unless you do it as Lawrence Block does: His Matt Scudder is a first-person narrator, but when he includes a third-person scene, Scudder is quick to say, "Or at least that's how I imagine it went."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:48 AM (wzUl9)
It can be all too easy to write in first person. Check out Robert Silverberg's foreword to his collection First Person Singularities; he's got a few comments on that. I think Lawrence Block has discussed this a time or two in some of his books on writing as well. Flows nicely and seems engaging to the writer, but maybe not so much for the reader depending on the breaks.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 10:50 AM (q3u5l)
239
I bribed my grandson to read Dean Koontz' Watchers and thought my granddaughter might like to be bribed too. I had read Koontz' One Door Away From Heaven decades ago and liked it so I read it again to see if it's appropriate. I was struck by how similar the situation in the book is to the real life Vallow–Daybell doomsday murders. Crazy evil stepfather marries crazy evil mother of two kids whom they believe would be better of dead pursuant to their crazy ass religion. In the book, the stepdad is based upon real life monster Yale "bioethicist" Dr. Peter Singer. The Vallow-Daybell bunch were a splinter Mormon doomsday cult. In the book, they are a UFO cult. The book does have a happier ending but if the book weren't written 30 years ago, I'd think it was inspired by Vallow-Daybell.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 03, 2026 10:50 AM (ndZc7)
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Started finding RC down here. Haven't see it for years. Doesn't taste bad, almost as good as Coke. Has it made it up your way?
See it at Dollar Tree.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 10:36 AM (1Ff7Z)
RC has always been around here. There is a whole smug group of people who drink only it. They are easily identifiable by their greeting "Would you like an RC?". Like they are offering you some ancient secret only their cult knows and they want to bless you with this secret and try to get you to join the cult.
It's okay in a pinch. I prefer Fosters soda. The one in the blue can.
Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 10:52 AM (vKmKk)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 03, 2026 10:52 AM (ndZc7)
242Fleming also used actual events. In one book, Bond is assigned to a review committee after Burgess and MacLean escaped. He makes no friends by calling the intelligence service "retired officrrs of the Indian Army." . . .
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026
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Yes; in From Russia, With Love, one of the few scenes we have of Bond "in the office" in London, as opposed to being simply called into M's presence and getting fired off across the world.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 10:53 AM (wzUl9)
243
Orange Ent,
I nearly always work on more than one thing. It's a way of turning the next step over to my imagination, which will come up with something in a dream that is much more inventive than anything I can come up with facing the computer screen.
Posted by: Wenda at May 03, 2026 10:53 AM (hbv3r)
244
"Herbert's Dune series. God Emperor of Dune was weird enough."
Dune can stand alone. The quality drops with the next two, but they're still pretty darn good.
I gorged on the whole franchise years ago. Little really grabbed the attention after book three.
Posted by: callsign claymore at May 03, 2026 10:56 AM (/6r4m)
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Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 10:52 AM (vKmKk)
I guess I never noticed it up there. Went to the usual stores, Scolari's, Raley's, Safeway, don't remember seeing it.
Used to drink Foster's "soda," but don't anymore.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 10:56 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I remember listening to Hillbilly Elegy, which I definitely recommend. However comma.
Vance proceeds through a seemingly endless retelling of family dysfunctional episode after family dysfunctional episode after family dysfunctional episode until FINALLY we've finished seventh grade and things begin to pick up speed.
If you're going in, steel yourself.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at May 03, 2026 10:57 AM (2Ez/1)
247
Have had thought recently to reread all I have of History or WWII magazines, it is a pile of fantastic 1st person respective
Posted by: Skip at May 03, 2026 10:57 AM (Ia/+0)
248
With CJ Cherryh's retirement the possibilities of a Mri and Human alliance will never be explored. Nor Humans being wise enough to let the Mri break their own path again.
She was my Latin teacher in high school. I still have a paperback copy of her first book in a box up in the attic. I haven’t read any of her books in decades. The first time I read a sex scene in one of her books, it was, Oh no, Miss Cherry. I just couldn’t after that. And that is the proper spelling of her last name. For some reason her publisher added an h to her last name.
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I do need to try some of C.J. Cherryh's stories. She was considered a bit more "literary" in the SF world than a lot of writers, wasn't she?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:00 AM (wzUl9)
252
Orange Ent,
I nearly always work on more than one thing. It's a way of turning the next step over to my imagination, which will come up with something in a dream that is much more inventive than anything I can come up with facing the computer screen.
Posted by: Wenda at May 03, 2026 10:53 AM (hbv3r)
I have about three WIPs right now, but mostly focusing on getting SSH ready to self-pub. It's a bit hard to get into the others right now. Added about three thousand words to one of them, but have to delete and rewrite because I don't think it works.
I have ideas pop into my head when I'm working out or laying in bed staring at the walls or ceiling unable to sleep.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:00 AM (1Ff7Z)
253
Have had thought recently to reread all I have of History or WWII magazines, it is a pile of fantastic 1st person respective
Posted by: Skip at May 03, 2026 10:57 AM (Ia/+0)
Have you read "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa?"
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First person can be ok with me, as long as it's not present tense. I will abandon a book at the first page if it's present tense.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at May 03, 2026 10:59 AM (h7ZuX)
It works in detective stories. I haven't tried it in any other genre I've attempted.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:04 AM (1Ff7Z)
257
I am wary of 'trends' on YouTube but there seems to be a growing number of videos and entire channels about the benefits of reading physical books, especially classics of literature, and getting away from screens and the constant bombardment of digital 'stuff' (I'm being polite).There are offshoots of the topic dealing with the importance and power of imagination, poetry, and myth. Another side track is how beneficial writing by hand is for retention of the material (class notes, journaling, etc.) and simply for physical enjoyment of using good writing instruments and paper.
I agree with all of this although what some consider classics I don't. But I'm increasingly convinced of the importance of physical over digital ways of living.
Posted by: JTB at May 03, 2026 11:04 AM (yTvNw)
258First person can be ok with me, as long as it's not present tense. I will abandon a book at the first page if it's present tense.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at May 03, 2026
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I generally avoid any books written in present tense. To me is smacks of "MFA graduate" and "Look how well I'm writing!" It might be okay in a short story, but that sets me up to dislike the story on page one.
Exception, for me: Jay McInerney's Bright Lights, Big City. It's not only in present tense, but also in *second* person -- e.g., the first sentence: "You are not the kind of guy who would be at a place like this at three in the morning. But here you are, and you cannot say the terrain is entirely unfamiliar, though the details are fuzzy."
Somehow, I know not how, it works for this novel. Maybe because the book is short and very funny.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:05 AM (wzUl9)
259
Present tense is presumably supposed to lend an air of immediacy, but I find it distancing. I usually bail on first person present too. But I find that Barry Malzberg can bring this off, and so can Robert Silverberg. Go figure.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 11:05 AM (q3u5l)
260259 Present tense is presumably supposed to lend an air of immediacy, but I find it distancing.
Ok, then. Fine. Don't call me.
Posted by: Ishmael at May 03, 2026 11:07 AM (8XeQo)
261First person can be ok with me, as long as it's not present tense. I will abandon a book at the first page if it's present tense.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at May 03, 2026
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It works in detective stories. I haven't tried it in any other genre I've attempted.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026
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I used to consider first person impossible to do right in fantasy. Then I came up with the right character and setting, and first person works just fine.
At the moment I can't think of any fantasy novels that are told in first person, though.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:07 AM (wzUl9)
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I guess I never noticed it up there. Went to the usual stores, Scolari's, Raley's, Safeway, don't remember seeing it.
Used to drink Foster's "soda," but don't anymore.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 10:56 AM (1Ff7Z)
I brainfarting on what the supplier for the cult was called. Something like Saversdime. It was off Wells past 2nd street in Reno.
In hindsight I guess they were kind of offering something not everyone had. It's in most stores now.
One of my coworkers turned out to be one of the cult. I saw her stash in the fridge and joked about it. She said. "Would you like an RC?".
Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 11:07 AM (vKmKk)
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Ok, then. Fine. Don't call me.
Posted by: Ishmael at May 03, 2026 11:07 AM (8XeQo)
What are you whaling about now, Ishi?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:08 AM (1Ff7Z)
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At the moment I can't think of any fantasy novels that are told in first person, though.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:07 AM (wzUl9)
All "books" "written by" Barack Obama?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:09 AM (1Ff7Z)
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RC Cola, Royal Crown, used to be in the drink vending machines when I was a kid. I usually chose Coke or one of the root beers, probably Barq's. We had one brand called Rex here, and it was too sweet even for me back then.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:09 AM (wzUl9)
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Been a while since I read them, but weren't Zelazny's Amber novels done in first person?
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 11:11 AM (q3u5l)
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>>At the moment I can't think of any fantasy novels that are told in first person, though.
Several Zelazny stories are - the Amber books, for example.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 11:11 AM (NcvvS)
269I generally avoid any books written in present tense.
That is my biggest gripe with Neal Stephenson. And it's not just present tense as in "Joe goes into the store" but whatever tense as in "now Joe is going into the store." The forced sense of immediacy really grates on me.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 03, 2026 11:12 AM (vTZFs)
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 11:12 AM (NcvvS)
271All "books" "written by" Barack Obama?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:09 AM (1Ff7Z)
Whenever I'm at a library sale and I find one of his books, I'll move the book to the Fiction section....
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 03, 2026 11:13 AM (8XeQo)
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One of my coworkers turned out to be one of the cult. I saw her stash in the fridge and joked about it. She said. "Would you like an RC?".
Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 11:07 AM (vKmKk)
I would have said, "No thanks, but do you have a Tahitian Treat?"
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:13 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Gene Wolfe's Books of the New Sun were first person.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rock 'n' Roll Martian at May 03, 2026 11:13 AM (0aYVJ)
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Come to think of it, I haven't drunk a cola of any kind in many years. One viciously hot Saturday morning around 2010 I struggled for a long time with replacing the air filter on my Buick Park Avenue, and felt lightheaded. To give me some energy I grabbed a cola, probably a Coke or Barq's, at the Target we went to later, and it worked.
Since then, I drink sparkling mineral water at home and on special occasions out, but iced water fro the most part.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:13 AM (wzUl9)
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"What are some reasons why YOU don't finish books?"
I rarely quit a book, but when I do it is because the author forces the protagonist to do something bone-numbingly stupid so the plot can continue. This includes:
a. Ignoring obvious clues in a mystery.
b. Refusing to make a phone call for help before rushing into the clutches of the villain.
c. Dropping their gun when they can solve the problem with one shot.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 03, 2026 11:14 AM (exU9W)
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Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:09 AM (wzUl9)
When I was a kid, we'd get RC when we didn't have the money for a Coke or Pepsi.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:17 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Several of Larry Niven's Known Space SF short stories are narrated in first person by his born tourist, Beowulf Shaeffer. His short "Inconstant Moon" is also.
The time to use it is when the events *really* affect your hero, and you want to get into his reactions to it and see how he tells what happens to him.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:17 AM (wzUl9)
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14 ... "I just finished Ten Caesars by Cornell professor Barry Strauss. He tackles the lives and accomplishments of ten of the Caesars, from Augustus to Constantine"
Wolfus,
Thanks for mentioning this. History that continues to influence present day matters and, possibly, seeing patterns that are still applicable. Got a $2.99 Kindle book to try it out. (The damn local library doesn't have it, of course.)
Posted by: JTB at May 03, 2026 11:18 AM (yTvNw)
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"...but there seems to be a growing number of videos and entire channels about the benefits of reading physical books, especially classics of literature, and getting away from screens and the constant bombardment of digital 'stuff' (I'm being polite).There are offshoots of the topic dealing with the importance and power of imagination, poetry, and myth."
By: JTB at: 11:04
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You know we're all reading this on a screen, right?
Posted by: The commenter asked awkwardly at May 03, 2026 11:19 AM (2Ez/1)
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I enjoyed Lukyanenko's "Night Watch" and "Day Watch" is on my TBR list. I had the "Day Watch" t-shirt after seeing the movie and I thought both were cool. I adopted his concept of 1st and 2nd level gloom to describe my moods when depressed.
Posted by: Norrin Radd, sojourner of the spaceways at May 03, 2026 11:20 AM (tRYqg)
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Since then, I drink sparkling mineral water at home and on special occasions out, but iced water fro the most part.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:13 AM (wzUl9)
Probably better for you anyway. Don't care much for those flavored fizzy waters, not enough taste for me.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:20 AM (1Ff7Z)
282"I just finished Ten Caesars by Cornell professor Barry Strauss. He tackles the lives and accomplishments of ten of the Caesars, from Augustus to Constantine"
Wolfus,
Thanks for mentioning this. History that continues to influence present day matters and, possibly, seeing patterns that are still applicable. Got a $2.99 Kindle book to try it out. (The damn local library doesn't have it, of course.)
Posted by: JTB at May 03, 2026
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I found it at my small local suburban library, though.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:20 AM (wzUl9)
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Whenever I'm at a library sale and I find one of his books, I'll move the book to the Fiction section....
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 03, 2026 11:13 AM (8XeQo)
As you should do.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:20 AM (1Ff7Z)
284
I went to a Bottled Carbonated Soft Drink Thread and a Book Thread broke out.
Posted by: Trying to be polite at May 03, 2026 11:22 AM (2Ez/1)
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Posted by: Norrin Radd, sojourner of the spaceways at May 03, 2026 11:20 AM (tRYqg)
Contact any of those publishers I told you about?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:24 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I think the canonical food to accompany an RC is a Moon Pie.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 03, 2026 11:24 AM (8XeQo)
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On New Year's Eve the city of Mobile, Alabama celebrates with a Moon Pie Drop.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at May 03, 2026 11:26 AM (2Ez/1)
289
233 Cybersmythe - Weir was a computer programmer. ...
I assume he knows project management from that standpoint.
Posted by: gKWVE at May 03, 2026 10:45 AM
He probably doesn't know much about managing projects that involve suicide missions, because writing software isn't usually that dangerous.
Suicide missions are never very popular, so you make sure that what you're asking the crew to do is not a suicide mission. There are three easy ways of making the flight of the "Hail Mary" not a suicide mission, which would dramatically increase the pool of potential crew members.
Of course, that would destroy Grace's character arc, so it's necessary for the purposes of the plot.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 03, 2026 11:26 AM (VmDLh)
Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 11:27 AM (vKmKk)
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I went to a Bottled Carbonated Soft Drink Thread and a Book Thread broke out.
Posted by: Trying to be polite at May 03, 2026 11:22 AM (2Ez/1)
https://tinyurl.com/bdzbc9m2
Well, it sorta....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:27 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Good morning horde This week i finished Hail Mary and have just started The Count of Monte Cristo ,which is next in my list of classics to read before i die.
Hail Mary was enjoyable but, to be honest, i skimmed over a bunch of the science/ math explanations and some of the detailed space capsule descriptions too.
Im curious how they brought the technical and other worldly parts of this story to the screen, and apparently very successfully, too.
Posted by: LASue at May 03, 2026 11:29 AM (lCppi)
293I think the canonical food to accompany an RC is a Moon Pie.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 03, 2026
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I don't recall being all that thrilled with Moon Pies in my boyhood. And the ones I've tried recently have dry fillings and are close to tasteless. Personally I love Little Debbie Oatmeal Creme Pies!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:29 AM (wzUl9)
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249 We'll know the franchise has run out of gas when we see titles like The Time Shares of Caladan and The Salusa Secundus Redemption, where a falsely accused Leto CIII tunnels out of prison using a rock hammer.
Posted by: callsign claymore at May 03, 2026 11:30 AM (/6r4m)
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Reading it on a printed page, reading it on a screen...
IIRC, when the first Stephen King-Peter Straub collaboration was published, there was an interview with them in which the interviewer asked about the pricey slipcased signed printing. They said that even if you were reading the thing on a roll of brown butcher paper, it was the words that mattered. Butcher paper, printed page, screen... It's all good.
That said, there are printed books I keep even though I tend to read them on screen just because of font size, ease of holding the Kindle, etc.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 11:31 AM (q3u5l)
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I don't recall being all that thrilled with Moon Pies in my boyhood. And the ones I've tried recently have dry fillings and are close to tasteless. Personally I love Little Debbie Oatmeal Creme Pies!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:29 AM (wzUl9)
Yeccch... nasty mushmelon. Bleh.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:32 AM (1Ff7Z)
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I need to read up on an electrical component I came across at work the other day. I'd never heard of it. I can't remember the acronym though.
Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 11:33 AM (vKmKk)
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I think The World At War said all that needs to be said.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression)
Back in olden days when DVDs came in red envelopes, I rent TWAW from Netflix. A bonus had a good story. A German Hausfrau was one of those people who, after something happens, will say I knew that would happen. So it was after they tried to blow Hitler up. Word got back to the Gestapo and they wanted a word. She wasn't home when the Gestapo dropped by but her friend was. Her friend invited them in and told them what a good Nazi her friend was. It happened that she had a book stacked whose cover resembled that of the ubiquitous Mein Kampf. She told them her friend kept it handy to read every night. Satisfied, the Gestapo left. If they'd just picked up the book, they'd have seen it was just a cookbook or something and the two friends would've changed their address to Dachau.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 03, 2026 11:36 AM (ndZc7)
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“ Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it to the people. They responded, “We will do everything the Lord has said; we will obey.””
Exodus 24:7
Posted by: Marcus T at May 03, 2026 11:36 AM (04KGT)
300I don't recall being all that thrilled with Moon Pies in my boyhood. And the ones I've tried recently have dry fillings and are close to tasteless. Personally I love Little Debbie Oatmeal Creme Pies!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026
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Yeccch... nasty mushmelon. Bleh.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026
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The Moon Pie, or the Oatmeal Creme? Your phrase describes the Moon Pie to me pretty exactly.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:36 AM (wzUl9)
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Ok, gotta cut out early. Thanks for the thread, Perfessor.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:36 AM (1Ff7Z)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 03, 2026 11:36 AM (1Ff7Z)
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Big black Stirling cat is pacing around, wondering where his mouse from last night has gotten to. I'm wondering too.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:37 AM (wzUl9)
304 First person and present tense doesn't bother me at all.
If it works, it works.
Saying the technique bothers you is like saying "I don't like novels that use the letter, J.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 03, 2026 11:38 AM (kt56S)
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The present tense method is supposed to lend an air of immediacy to the story. You don't need it to do that. Lawrence Block's Matt Scudders, Stark's Parker stories, and many others get you right into the tale without any fancy tricks.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:41 AM (wzUl9)
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Perfessor, I too spend a lot of time in my den reading but alas less so now. 'Ol Joe used to come in and lay down next to me waiting for the inevitable bacon treat. He's been gone over a year now. Still miss him.
I hope he's met up with Jasmin.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 03, 2026 11:42 AM (2WIwB)
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Ok, this is cute. A woman named Lydia Sekscenski from Connecticut was a recent Jeopardy contestant. In the personal interview segment we learn she has written a Shakespearean sonnet about her love for cheeseballs.
I can't find the lyrics online, but a friend sent me an image.
The closing lines:
"Though some scoffers may mock my childish ways,
This cheesy joy will last me all my days."
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at May 03, 2026 11:42 AM (2Ez/1)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 03, 2026 11:43 AM (2WIwB)
310. . . He's been gone over a year now. Still miss him.
I hope he's met up with Jasmin.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 03, 2026
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Not all my late cats liked, or would have liked, each other. If they are all in Rainbow Bridge Land now, I suspect there will be trouble.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:44 AM (wzUl9)
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>>"We were about to give up and call it a night when somebody dropped the girl off the bridge."
Very memorable. Early Travis McGee?
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 11:45 AM (NcvvS)
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“ Saving Private Ryan" is at its core pure nihilism wrapped in nostalgia with gory special effects. Spielberg said his favorite character was the coward, because of course.”
War is mankind at its worst. It appeals to our base, evil impulses and instincts which in turn places survival above morality, obfuscates the fundamental meanings of life, and hides Gods eternal truths. It’s easy to state that’s nihilistic, because in those moments it is. In war, God was s hidden from you, and therefore it is hell- because what else is a world without God?
Posted by: Marcus T at May 03, 2026 11:45 AM (04KGT)
Yep, the opening to MacDonald's Darker Than Amber. The rest of that book (and series) ain't too dusty either.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 11:46 AM (q3u5l)
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279 ... "You know we're all reading this on a screen, right?"
Yeah. That comment comes up on the videos as well. Of course the video content isn't about abandoning digital completely, just not being 100 percent dependent on it.
Posted by: JTB at May 03, 2026 11:47 AM (yTvNw)
315"We were about to give up and call it a night when somebody dropped the girl off the bridge."
Very memorable. Early Travis McGee?
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026
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The seventh book, I think: Darker Than Amber. Made into a decently-cast film in 1970 with Rod Taylor as McGee and Theodore Bikel as his friend Meyer.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:48 AM (wzUl9)
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will probably be willowed, but THE WORST book I ever read was Maguire's "Wicked".
I had enjoyed the play and the premise it so delightfully developed, so I bought the book.
I only forced myself to finish all $%&*#-$%#&*ing 800 pages because I kept waiting for it to come anywhere near what I had liked in the stage version.
Uninteresting, unpalatable characters with little to no development and zero arcs, NO plot, pages and pages of pointless depression.
Was i surprised, a few years later when I saw that there were several sequels of equal pointless poundage, to read that the author is a famed gay academic type married to a famed gay artist (who I had never heard of) whose entire oeuvre is premised on exploring the evil results of "othering" those who are different? No.
(but I notice lately that the people who used to bleat constantly about othering are now top-notch 24-7 otherers)
Posted by: barbarausa at May 03, 2026 11:49 AM (enw9G)
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I am sorry to hear about your kitty, Perfessor. My long-suffering wife and I have quite the Country Menagerie (including a herd of rather silly cows), and every time one of your many pets passes, we feel that absence in our lives. The space left behind.
Yet, nature abhors a vacuum, and a new critter will intrude on our hearts...
I gave up (how does one throw down an e-book?) on the Niven-Benford collab a few weeks ago. I think there are three or five books, don't care. Writing was terrible, plot was dumb, characters and settings implausible. I didn't even like the typeset. Ugh. Annoying and frustrating. Like the old Asimov churning out "Foundation" books, and trying to weave the Robots into the tapestry, it got old, fast. I found myself skimming larger and larger portions, hoping that the plot would be moving along. Nope.
Currently reading a light-hearted series about GP Doctors in rural Ireland, circa 1930-1965. Colorful writing, full of characters one would expect in rural Ireland, and also full of phrases and quick sayings that will linger.
Posted by: Brewingfrog at May 03, 2026 11:50 AM (ItGw3)
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The movie of Darker Than Amber is available on Tubi and shows up on YouTube as well. Worth checking out just for the final fight scene between Rod Taylor and William Smith. Absolutely brutal, no stunt doubles, and not all the blood was makeup. As good as the Sean Connery-Robert Shaw in From Russia with Love. They don't make 'em like that any more.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 11:51 AM (q3u5l)
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Told this here before: almost quit on one book - first hundred pages were pretty slow. Had started it right after dinner and kept on until it picked up. About 350 pages, finished it around 2:30 AM. Lent it to my boss and told him under no circumstances should he start it after dinner. About a week later, he came in looking like death warmed over. Asked him, 'You started it after dinner, right?' He handed me the book, said, 'I couldn't put it down.' Niven/Pournelle/Barnes, The Legacy of Heorot.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 11:51 AM (NcvvS)
320Currently reading a light-hearted series about GP Doctors in rural Ireland, circa 1930-1965. Colorful writing, full of characters one would expect in rural Ireland, and also full of phrases and quick sayings that will linger.
Posted by: Brewingfrog at May 03, 2026
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That sounds familiar -- I think I picked up the first and third of that series a year or so back. Title and author?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:52 AM (wzUl9)
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>>The seventh book, I think: Darker Than Amber. Made into a decently-cast film in 1970 with Rod Taylor as McGee and Theodore Bikel as his friend Meyer.
Have to see if it turns up to watch; Taylor was probably a good McGee, but thinking Bikel would have been perfect as Meyer.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 11:54 AM (NcvvS)
322. . . Asked him, 'You started it after dinner, right?' He handed me the book, said, 'I couldn't put it down.' Niven/Pournelle/Barnes, The Legacy of Heorot.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026
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On my paperback edition, long ago, one blurb said that Heorot made Aliens "look like a Disney nature film." True enough. You'd think a novel with three authors would be a mishmash -- but not so.
The book appeared in, what, 1989? It would be possible now to create the grendels on screen and make them terrifying.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:54 AM (wzUl9)
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>>The movie of Darker Than Amber is available on Tubi and shows up on YouTube as well.
And just like that, the Horde comes through. Thanks, Just Some Guy.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 11:55 AM (NcvvS)
325The seventh book, I think: Darker Than Amber. Made into a decently-cast film in 1970 with Rod Taylor as McGee and Theodore Bikel as his friend Meyer.
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Have to see if it turns up to watch; Taylor was probably a good McGee, but thinking Bikel would have been perfect as Meyer.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026
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He was. Taylor made for a good McGee too, but in recent years I've thought that Robert Culp would have been as good in his own way. However, MacDonald himself (who thought the film "semi-rotten") did not like Culp's screen test at all.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 11:56 AM (wzUl9)
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I'd like to see a movie from Legacy of Heorot, if I could be sure they wouldn't ruin the thing.
And on that happy note, time to see what I can mess up here at Casa Some Guy.
Thanks for the thread, Perfessor.
Have a good one, gang.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 03, 2026 11:57 AM (q3u5l)
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Darling Jasmine, what a beautiful girl you were! I look forward to meeting you one day. Please give some snuggles to Cleo, Arabella, Lady Marmalade, and my darling Bobo Kitty. I miss them so.
I've been reading some new-to-me English historical fiction. The author is Margaret Campbell Barnes. Written decades ago, so it's in a style of writing I enjoy.
Have also been enjoying a series of books about life with cats, by another English author named Doreen Tovey. Absolutely delightful reading!
Lastly, I read a book about James Herriot, by his son Jim Wight. Also recommend, thoroughly enjoyed it.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 03, 2026 11:58 AM (Vvh2V)
Also, I can echo what our dear Perfessor said: It's so lonely without a cat snuggled up to me while I'm knitting, reading, or here at AoSHQ.
Posted by: pookysgirl, substituting with Lil Pooky snuggles at May 03, 2026 11:58 AM (Wt5PA)
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>>The book appeared in, what, 1989? It would be possible now to create the grendels on screen and make them terrifying.
1987. And yes to the grendels on screen. Hate to see Hollywood do it as a feature film because they would leave so much out. A 3-4 part streaming thing? Hell to the yes.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 11:58 AM (NcvvS)
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"Uninteresting, unpalatable characters with little to no development and zero arcs, NO plot, pages and pages of pointless depression."
But is had a lot of words. Wordcount is where it is at.
Posted by: Reforger at May 03, 2026 11:59 AM (vKmKk)
331Also, I can echo what our dear Perfessor said: It's so lonely without a cat snuggled up to me while I'm knitting, reading, or here at AoSHQ.
Posted by: pookysgirl, substituting with Lil Pooky snuggles at May 03, 2026
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I love it when Stirling sits on me . . . but not when I'm actively typing here. This has given rise to my terse message:
"Hard to type. Large black cat on lap. Send lawyers, guns, and money."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 12:00 PM (wzUl9)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 12:01 PM (wzUl9)
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Brewingfrog, is it The Irish Country Series? If it isn't, you might enjoy that, as well.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 03, 2026 12:01 PM (Vvh2V)
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There will be a closed book test on todays thread
Posted by: Skip at May 03, 2026 12:01 PM (Ia/+0)
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>>However, MacDonald himself (who thought the film "semi-rotten") did not like Culp's screen test at all.
Physically, Culp was long and lean, while McGee was solid. In one of the novels, a jailer accurately guessed McGee at 210 lbs, which surprised McGee, because most people thought he was about 190.
Willowed, no doubt. Great thread, Perfessor! Have a good Sunday, all.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 12:03 PM (NcvvS)
337There will be a closed book test on todays thread
Posted by: Skip at May 03, 2026
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Eek!!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 12:03 PM (wzUl9)
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I can't think of any fantasy novels that are told in first person.
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You're not familiar with the Penthouse Forum?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 03, 2026 12:03 PM (ndZc7)
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>>You're not familiar with the Penthouse Forum?
Those are barely *snerk* short stories.
Posted by: Nazdar at May 03, 2026 12:06 PM (NcvvS)
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I love it when Stirling sits on me . . . but not when I'm actively typing here. This has given rise to my terse message:
"Hard to type. Large black cat on lap. Send lawyers, guns, and money."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2026 12:00 PM (wzUl9)
Hex and Bel often tried to comment here. Bel was tiny, but liked to crash out on the main part of the keyboard. Hex was much bigger and liked to wrap around the keyboard with his front paws resting on the numpad.
Posted by: pookysgirl, typing around a toddler at May 03, 2026 12:07 PM (Wt5PA)
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by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at May 03, 2026 09:26 AM (FEVMW)
Ms. Meyer was not near at home in the Georgian Era as she was the Regency, and the stories can drag a bit because of it, but fo, please give Horry another chance one day! She is one of my favorite Heyer heroines, and she does have the Wineood nose, after all!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 03, 2026 12:08 PM (Vvh2V)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 03, 2026 12:09 PM (Vvh2V)
343“ Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it to the people. They responded, “We will do everything the Lord has said; we will obey.””
Spoiler alert: they didn't.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 03, 2026 12:12 PM (vTZFs)
34441 As to reading: I think there is a fourth factor that trumps the other three: writing style. This supersedes all other factors. An engaging writer can make almost any story or topic interesting.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 03, 2026 09:18 AM (ZOv7s)
This. I have been especially aware of this recently, because I've been eagerly reading articles on a website called "Bits about money," despite my lack of interest in the mechanics of our financial institutions, because the writing is so engaging.
To bring it to books, I've also bought, and plan to read soon, a book called "Number Go Up," which was recommended by that web site. It's about crypto, in which I have very little interest, but I read the writing sample, and it drew me in so effectively that I couldn't stand to not buy it, and I'm really looking forward to reading it.
And all this while I am finishing my third re-read of the Dungeon Crawler Carl series, in preparation for the release of the newest entry. It's a Lit RPG series, a genre in which I have very little interest, but the writing is so well done...
Posted by: Splunge at May 03, 2026 12:26 PM (KEowH)
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Perfesser, I am sorry to hear of Jasmine's passing.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at May 03, 2026 01:16 PM (DoBxX)
346
Gary Larson's two-volume collection, The Complete Far Side (worth every penny!).
I read both volumes the last couple of weeks of the election of 2016!
Kept me sane that Hag Hillary would lose.
I love Gary Larson!
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at May 03, 2026 02:33 PM (WONhk)
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I got a new desktop computer a month ago (after years of procrastinating). When I sit to use it, our cat Glory walks in front of the screen. She also sometimes sticks her nose in front of the book I'm reading.
I remove her but feel guilty.
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 03, 2026 02:35 PM (p/isN)
348 316 . . . THE WORST book I ever read was Maguire's "Wicked". . .
Posted by: barbarausa at May 03, 2026 11:49 AM (enw9G)
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Wicked is the first book that I can recall that I decided to not finish because I found it just plain awful.
Not only that, it was the first book that I literally threw in the trash.
Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at May 03, 2026 02:59 PM (TPFQA)
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