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Gun Thread: Fourth Edition O' March!
FUNdamentals A proper setup is key to good fundamentals, and in rifle shooting with an optic, a critical element is having proper eye relief. Q: Weasel, what the heck is eye relief?
A: Hold your eyeball too close to the ocular end of a rifle scope, pull the trigger, and you will find out in a hurry. Once the bleeding stops and the swelling goes down, you will be able to accurately describe eye relief as the distance between your eye and the ocular end of the scope. You will also then be highly qualified to describe proper eye relief as a distance sufficient to protect your face from the recoiling scope, while allowing a clear and unobstructed view through the optic. Anyhoo, proper eye relief varies by person and is something that must be fixed when mounting a scope to a rifle. In order to properly set eye relief, we must first understand the natural point of aim. Natural point of aim is not a difficult concept, but many overlook or disregard it altogether. You should be relaxed and comfortable, not scrunching yourself up or straining your neck to get the proper eye relief behind the scope. Adjust your gear to YOU, not the other way around, finding the point where you are naturally aligned with the target. Without looking down range, close your eyes and settle into your natural shooting position, then open your eyes. Repeat the process until you are naturally and comfortably aligned with the target. Do not strain to adapt to an awkward position or use large muscles. With practice and repetition, you will condition your brain and body to assume something pretty close to natural point of aim as you assume your shooting position. The key here is to find a repeatable cheek position on the stock which allows a full and clear view through the scope, and provides sufficient space (typically a few inches) so you don't get whacked in the face when the gun recoils. When I am setting up a scope, I place the rings in an approximate position so they're evenly spaced along the scope tube with enough room to allow for small adjustments. Tighten them so they're just snug at this point in case repositioning is later necessary. Place the scope loosely into the rings, get behind the gun and find your natural point of aim. Look through the scope and adjust it forward and back without moving your head until you have a clear image that fills the field of view without vignetting, the dark/black donut that sometimes appears at the edges. You can make a light pencil mark on the scope against the ring(s) to save the position. Try it a few times to make certain you're satisfied, then torque everything down. Congratulations, the proper eye relief is set! For our visual learners, I'm including the video below.
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2026 07:00 PM (Ia/+0)
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rst
Posted by: Reforger at March 22, 2026 07:00 PM (rpbjO)
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Yay! Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)
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Blackout
Posted by: Accomack at March 22, 2026 07:01 PM (/Chlc)
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Evening. Off to content.
Posted by: Reforger at March 22, 2026 07:01 PM (rpbjO)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:01 PM (OF02a)
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Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!!
Posted by: DBCooper at March 22, 2026 07:04 PM (34M75)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 07:04 PM (BCwQW)
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I can’t wait to get to eye relief and rag on a certain someone with short arms.
Or post a pic of Kathy Ireland.
Or post a pic of Kathy Ireland.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:04 PM (UxbHU)
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Evenin', Scoob.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:04 PM (Wnv9h)
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Damn.
I picked up my Radical Firearms AR in 300 Blackout Friday. Three 30 round mags came later that day.
The gun has five prohibitions: adjustable stock, threaded barrel, flash suppressor, pistol grip and is center fire. The four 30 round mags are no no’s. Oh, well.
I picked up my Radical Firearms AR in 300 Blackout Friday. Three 30 round mags came later that day.
The gun has five prohibitions: adjustable stock, threaded barrel, flash suppressor, pistol grip and is center fire. The four 30 round mags are no no’s. Oh, well.
Posted by: Accomack at March 22, 2026 07:04 PM (/Chlc)
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I feel seen.
Posted by: TRex - scoped dino at March 22, 2026 07:04 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:07 PM (UxbHU)
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Howdy all y'all!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:09 PM (GNqmQ)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at March 22, 2026 07:09 PM (sAmhv)
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Scoobs, I think we are due a range report.
Something about wobbly sh*t?
Something about wobbly sh*t?
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:11 PM (UxbHU)
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Thanks for the thread, Weasel!
Range report.
Went with son#1 and met MAE and LazyMessenger at our usual spot. Son and I did the “one hole” drill. Five rounds each at 3,5,7,10 and 15 yards. Try to make just one hole. He shot his G19, me, my Walther PPQ. We both shot well and had fun.
After range time, he took me out for take out soul food. I had a brisket sammich, greens and Mac and cheese. He had jerk chicken, red beans and rice and greens.
Awesome day.
Range report.
Went with son#1 and met MAE and LazyMessenger at our usual spot. Son and I did the “one hole” drill. Five rounds each at 3,5,7,10 and 15 yards. Try to make just one hole. He shot his G19, me, my Walther PPQ. We both shot well and had fun.
After range time, he took me out for take out soul food. I had a brisket sammich, greens and Mac and cheese. He had jerk chicken, red beans and rice and greens.
Awesome day.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 07:11 PM (A5RD0)
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I remember "The Crawling Eye" scared the crap out of me as a tot. As for names, Forrest Tucker is in it. Janet Munro, too, I think.
It's still pretty good, though the monsters are less scary to my adult eyes. Say...it's getting really hot in here--
It's still pretty good, though the monsters are less scary to my adult eyes. Say...it's getting really hot in here--
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 22, 2026 07:11 PM (CHHv1)
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Scoobs, I think we are due a range report.
Something about wobbly sh*t?
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:11 PM
*snort*
Something about wobbly sh*t?
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:11 PM
*snort*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:13 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:14 PM (GNqmQ)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:15 PM (UxbHU)
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Range report.
Went to the range on Friday to see how the rifle felt and to zero the scope.
Rifle felt great when shooting, but did not get to zero the rifle.
To much wobbly shit going on.
I need to replace the bipod and need a better bag for the rear.
The Protektor bag I have is not conducive to getting a stable foundation for the rifle chassis I have.
And the Harris bipod was just not good. Had problems making adjustments to the height. I felt like I was battling it all the time.
So I am not blaming the equipment, I blame myself.
But the rifle felt oh so nice when shooting. There is a muzzle brake that helped soften the recoil, but I think I could shoot it all day with no problem.
Will regroup and take it to the range when new bipod and bag come in and I will zero in that sucker!!
Went to the range on Friday to see how the rifle felt and to zero the scope.
Rifle felt great when shooting, but did not get to zero the rifle.
To much wobbly shit going on.
I need to replace the bipod and need a better bag for the rear.
The Protektor bag I have is not conducive to getting a stable foundation for the rifle chassis I have.
And the Harris bipod was just not good. Had problems making adjustments to the height. I felt like I was battling it all the time.
So I am not blaming the equipment, I blame myself.
But the rifle felt oh so nice when shooting. There is a muzzle brake that helped soften the recoil, but I think I could shoot it all day with no problem.
Will regroup and take it to the range when new bipod and bag come in and I will zero in that sucker!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:16 PM (OF02a)
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Good evening, RMBS!
Days are getting longer.
We just added 2” more inches of snow.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:15 PM
Evenin', Red. I see snow in the forecast for tomorrow. Happy spring!
Days are getting longer.
We just added 2” more inches of snow.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:15 PM
Evenin', Red. I see snow in the forecast for tomorrow. Happy spring!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:16 PM (Wnv9h)
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As with many, many old flicks, I saw The Crawling eye via MST 3k. The Crawling eye was MST's first episode (after the independent public access ones).
Many crappy B movies via MST or Rifftrax.
Many crappy B movies via MST or Rifftrax.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rock 'n' Roll Martian at March 22, 2026 07:17 PM (0aYVJ)
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Well, playing with my AR-type 9 mm rifle today. Got the three ten-round mags whittled down a little by sanding them with a flap wheel so they fit easily into the mag well adaptor, and can be removed without a struggle. Push mag release, wiggle a tetch, and out they come. Replaced the buffer weight with one purpose built for 9 mm AR's. Put a 9 mm boresight round in the chamber, and it duly projected a dot on the inside of my garage door about 15 yards distant. I was just able to adjust my Gaialoop red dot sight so the dots were almost superimposed, but I am at the limit of elevation adjustment. I should be fine at 25 yards?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2026 07:18 PM (8zz6B)
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19 *snort*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:13 PM
I will remember this. heh heh heh
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:13 PM
I will remember this. heh heh heh
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:19 PM (OF02a)
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'Evening all.
Nurse, sounds like you had a great time and great food. Perfect day.
No shooting today. Next Sunday scheduled. Gun show in April. Trying to decide what to buy, if I really want to buy and if so what would be legal to buy.
Public Service announcement:
Palmetto State Armory is offering a packet with stickers, patches and some othe assorted dodads for $18 with proceeds to help VA patriots fight for 2A rights. Free shipping. Good deal.
Nurse, sounds like you had a great time and great food. Perfect day.
No shooting today. Next Sunday scheduled. Gun show in April. Trying to decide what to buy, if I really want to buy and if so what would be legal to buy.
Public Service announcement:
Palmetto State Armory is offering a packet with stickers, patches and some othe assorted dodads for $18 with proceeds to help VA patriots fight for 2A rights. Free shipping. Good deal.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 22, 2026 07:21 PM (t/2Uw)
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IIRC, for a quality 1X red dot sight (EX: Aimpoint), you shouldn't have any problems w/ eye relief. You can have it relatively far forward (i.e. at the edge of where the upper receiver meets the barrel) and it'll still get you lined up properly on the target. It gets a bit tricky w/ the GI issue TA-31 4X32 ACOG for the M4. Eye relief for that is about one to one and a half inches. Thank goodness recoil on the M4 is pretty mild. There are other ACOG sights with better eye relief than the TA-31.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 07:21 PM (BCwQW)
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Evening.
Range report 1:
First, though, .22 dope, move and shoot method. One of the ranges I belong to has a really nice zero bay. I used one of the .22 steel props to get my data. I started at 25 yards and worked my way out to 200 yards in 25 yard increments. Paid off as I shot fairly consistently in our .22 match. The two places which cost me were the off hand 100 yard and the 200 yard stuff. Overall, though, the little CZ shot like a champ even if the owner held it back.
Range report 1:
First, though, .22 dope, move and shoot method. One of the ranges I belong to has a really nice zero bay. I used one of the .22 steel props to get my data. I started at 25 yards and worked my way out to 200 yards in 25 yard increments. Paid off as I shot fairly consistently in our .22 match. The two places which cost me were the off hand 100 yard and the 200 yard stuff. Overall, though, the little CZ shot like a champ even if the owner held it back.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurkder in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:21 PM (UJMvS)
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Scuba_Dude
I shoot off a Sierra 7 Bipod and it's rock solid. Not cheap but makes me shoot a lot better.
I shoot off a Sierra 7 Bipod and it's rock solid. Not cheap but makes me shoot a lot better.
Posted by: DBCooper at March 22, 2026 07:24 PM (34M75)
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Breakfast for supper at evening service, yay!
Posted by: Eromero at March 22, 2026 07:24 PM (DXbAa)
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Hi, Weasel.
Hi, everyone.
Hi, everyone.
Posted by: GWB at March 22, 2026 07:25 PM (ZyOG1)
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FWIW, the 10-round stick mags (Colt SMG style) seem to be made of thicker metal stock than the 30-round ones, which fit the mag well quite nicely. I attribut much of the mis-fit to overly thick paint or Cerakote on the mags. I blued the bared metal, and they look fine.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2026 07:28 PM (8zz6B)
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Weasel, I sent you an email about a watch and long range shooting. Though it's not as much whiz wheel as I thought.
Posted by: GWB at March 22, 2026 07:29 PM (NBtH1)
Posted by: Diogenes at March 22, 2026 07:29 PM (2WIwB)
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31 I shoot off a Sierra 7 Bipod and it's rock solid. Not cheap but makes me shoot a lot better.
Posted by: DBCooper at March 22, 2026 07:24 PM
Yeah, that is a little pricey, even though I have a LOT of funds sunk into the rifle and scope.
I have a Tikka T3x TACT A1 in 6.5 Creedmoor with a Nightforce NXS 8-32x56mm scope.
For now I purchased a Magpul for an M-lok mount. Still looking at rear bags.
Posted by: DBCooper at March 22, 2026 07:24 PM
Yeah, that is a little pricey, even though I have a LOT of funds sunk into the rifle and scope.
I have a Tikka T3x TACT A1 in 6.5 Creedmoor with a Nightforce NXS 8-32x56mm scope.
For now I purchased a Magpul for an M-lok mount. Still looking at rear bags.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:29 PM (OF02a)
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Nice! Big fan of soul food!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:14 PM
"Winky...Dinky...Dog...say it with me"
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:14 PM
"Winky...Dinky...Dog...say it with me"
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)
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Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and special relieved-eye greetings to our host Weasel!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at March 22, 2026 07:30 PM (t2oSI)
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Range report 2:
Then, yesterday, I shot our 1,000 yard match with the 6.5-06. I decided to go with two sighters then shoot for score. (We're using the Shot Spotter system) We run 15 minute relays so if one wants to shoot 5 sighters, you're welcome to do so but you still need to be done inside 15 minutes. Anyway, first shot was high, 8 ring, but dead center. I suspected it was a rear rest set up problem and made sure to get down behind the rifle correctly. Second shot, 9 ring, still centered. I dialed and proceeded to shoot for score. Wound up middle of the pack with a 95, 5 in the 9 ring, 3 in the X and two in the 10 ring. It took me longer than it should but I found the spot and finished strong with 2 in the X ring and a 10.
The 6,5-06 really likes the Hornady 153 Grain A tips. I was also pleased because I caught the wind shift and still hit the X and 10 ring with my last shots.
Then, yesterday, I shot our 1,000 yard match with the 6.5-06. I decided to go with two sighters then shoot for score. (We're using the Shot Spotter system) We run 15 minute relays so if one wants to shoot 5 sighters, you're welcome to do so but you still need to be done inside 15 minutes. Anyway, first shot was high, 8 ring, but dead center. I suspected it was a rear rest set up problem and made sure to get down behind the rifle correctly. Second shot, 9 ring, still centered. I dialed and proceeded to shoot for score. Wound up middle of the pack with a 95, 5 in the 9 ring, 3 in the X and two in the 10 ring. It took me longer than it should but I found the spot and finished strong with 2 in the X ring and a 10.
The 6,5-06 really likes the Hornady 153 Grain A tips. I was also pleased because I caught the wind shift and still hit the X and 10 ring with my last shots.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:30 PM (UJMvS)
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Howdy S'puppy!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:32 PM (mGFn3)
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Whew. Fluid dynamics vid was awesome.
If I still smoked, I’d need a cigarette.
If I still smoked, I’d need a cigarette.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:32 PM (UxbHU)
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I was also pleased because I caught the wind shift and still hit the X and 10 ring with my last shots.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:30 PM (UJMvS)
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Good job!
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:30 PM (UJMvS)
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Good job!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:34 PM (mGFn3)
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Scoobs, did you double check torque settings on all mounting screws?
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:35 PM (UxbHU)
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Top 50-ish?
Good evening everyone and a Thank You to Weasel. No shooting this weekend - tractor rehabilitation (1950 Farmall Cub - pretty much everything) and gardening 👩🌾.
Looking forward to the content and thank you to all the GunHorde.
Good evening everyone and a Thank You to Weasel. No shooting this weekend - tractor rehabilitation (1950 Farmall Cub - pretty much everything) and gardening 👩🌾.
Looking forward to the content and thank you to all the GunHorde.
Posted by: Coelacanth at March 22, 2026 07:35 PM (MvZ7K)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:36 PM (mGFn3)
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Scoob-
Nice setup. You'll get it dialed in.
Nice setup. You'll get it dialed in.
Posted by: DBCooper at March 22, 2026 07:37 PM (34M75)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:38 PM (UJMvS)
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44 Scoobs, did you double check torque settings on all mounting screws?
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:35 PM
Yes.
No movement in scope or rings. And another shooter used some shims to verify the scope was level.
It is not a problem with the rifle or scope.
User error all the way
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:35 PM
Yes.
No movement in scope or rings. And another shooter used some shims to verify the scope was level.
It is not a problem with the rifle or scope.
User error all the way
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:38 PM (OF02a)
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Guns!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at March 22, 2026 07:39 PM (xcxpd)
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Hello, Horde! 😊💕
From the last thread, because it got willowed:
I avoid the city now, and I can only assume it smells like homeless drug addicts and socialism.
Posted by: PabloD at March 22, 2026 04:14 PM (8sD0/)
Mr. TiFW and I were in Reno Friday night to see Jeff Dunham in concert. Oldest daughter joined us for dinner before the concert. We passed under a road, and I commented that a skunk must have been there recently.
Nope.
Naifs that Mr. TiFW and I are, we had never smelled marijuana in the wild....
(In order to make this gun-thread adjacent, I will say that I wanted to shoot whoever it was that was smoking that stinky stuff. Does that count?)
From the last thread, because it got willowed:
I avoid the city now, and I can only assume it smells like homeless drug addicts and socialism.
Posted by: PabloD at March 22, 2026 04:14 PM (8sD0/)
Mr. TiFW and I were in Reno Friday night to see Jeff Dunham in concert. Oldest daughter joined us for dinner before the concert. We passed under a road, and I commented that a skunk must have been there recently.
Nope.
Naifs that Mr. TiFW and I are, we had never smelled marijuana in the wild....
(In order to make this gun-thread adjacent, I will say that I wanted to shoot whoever it was that was smoking that stinky stuff. Does that count?)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 07:40 PM (SRRAx)
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I did manage to get to the range but few happy reports.
My KelTec P3AT is still jamming on extract. I tried to tighten the external extractor screw, because KelTec of course the extractor is held on with an external screw. My first few 5 round drills went fine but then I got failures to extract on every single round.
So back to KelTec it goes. Frustrating.
Also did some XD9 drills, which reminded me that it's been too long since I shot this gun. The 115 gr JHP hit low, the 147s were dead on. Still...great gun, no problems, just need to basically commit to one carry system.
hah
good luck
My KelTec P3AT is still jamming on extract. I tried to tighten the external extractor screw, because KelTec of course the extractor is held on with an external screw. My first few 5 round drills went fine but then I got failures to extract on every single round.
So back to KelTec it goes. Frustrating.
Also did some XD9 drills, which reminded me that it's been too long since I shot this gun. The 115 gr JHP hit low, the 147s were dead on. Still...great gun, no problems, just need to basically commit to one carry system.
hah
good luck
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at March 22, 2026 07:42 PM (xcxpd)
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Weasel, speaking of being highly-qualified to discuss a subject, not that the weather is getting more clement, and you're able to spend some time at your organic, free-range tree farm, could we possibly anticipate the long-promised, and long-awaited video of you demonstrating Garand Thumb, for the edification of the GT Commentators who aren't highly-qualified in that arena?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 07:42 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:43 PM (mGFn3)
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Naifs that Mr. TiFW and I are, we had never smelled marijuana in the wild....
(In order to make this gun-thread adjacent, I will say that I wanted to shoot whoever it was that was smoking that stinky stuff. Does that count?)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 07:40 PM
Can't stand the smell of that stuff. Vile skunkweed.
(In order to make this gun-thread adjacent, I will say that I wanted to shoot whoever it was that was smoking that stinky stuff. Does that count?)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 07:40 PM
Can't stand the smell of that stuff. Vile skunkweed.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:43 PM (Wnv9h)
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Being highly-qualified and having good judgement is the result of experience.
Experience is the result of having bad judgement.
Experience is the result of having bad judgement.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 07:44 PM (0sNs1)
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Good evening, Plucky Wee one!
By the way, Weasel, I have graduated to a Ransom Diamond Series rest. I wish I could afford a coaxial front rest but, the Ransom is definitely a step up from a bipod.
By the way, Weasel, I have graduated to a Ransom Diamond Series rest. I wish I could afford a coaxial front rest but, the Ransom is definitely a step up from a bipod.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:45 PM (UJMvS)
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Also, yeah... you SHOULDN'T drop your firearm.
But if it happens, it better fucking still work when you pick up up.
#GlockandXDLife
But if it happens, it better fucking still work when you pick up up.
#GlockandXDLife
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at March 22, 2026 07:45 PM (xcxpd)
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Yes.
No movement in scope or rings. And another shooter used some shims to verify the scope was level.
It is not a problem with the rifle or scope.
User error all the way
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:38 PM (OF02a)
Good. One thing I’ve had people try is to get the rifle set up solidly on the bipod and bag, have them center the crosshairs on the target, then back every part of your body away from the rifle without touching anything.
Then get your body and head behind the scope and rifle, again without touching anything . If you’re still on target, good. Then adjust your body naturally around that point without feeling any strain or discomfort. If you’ve done it right, it should be your natural point of aim.
I’d be hesitant to change any gear out yet until you have gone through the exercise several times.
Also, does Tikka recommend a break-in schedule?
No movement in scope or rings. And another shooter used some shims to verify the scope was level.
It is not a problem with the rifle or scope.
User error all the way
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:38 PM (OF02a)
Good. One thing I’ve had people try is to get the rifle set up solidly on the bipod and bag, have them center the crosshairs on the target, then back every part of your body away from the rifle without touching anything.
Then get your body and head behind the scope and rifle, again without touching anything . If you’re still on target, good. Then adjust your body naturally around that point without feeling any strain or discomfort. If you’ve done it right, it should be your natural point of aim.
I’d be hesitant to change any gear out yet until you have gone through the exercise several times.
Also, does Tikka recommend a break-in schedule?
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:46 PM (xpEsk)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 07:42 PM (0sNs1)
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Not if I can help it!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:43 PM
Not to worry...Brandon Herrera already did it for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7DraLWzpw
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Not if I can help it!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:43 PM
Not to worry...Brandon Herrera already did it for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7DraLWzpw
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:47 PM (Wnv9h)
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Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:45 PM (UJMvS)
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Have you looked at SEB rests? Highly recommended. seb is a hell of a shooter, a fine gentleman and a personal friend. He and his wife also have chihuahuas!
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Have you looked at SEB rests? Highly recommended. seb is a hell of a shooter, a fine gentleman and a personal friend. He and his wife also have chihuahuas!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:48 PM (mGFn3)
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60 Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 07:42 PM (0sNs1)
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Not if I can help it!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:43 PM
Not to worry...Brandon Herrera already did it for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7DraLWzpw
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:47 PM (Wnv9h)
Future Governor of Texas, Brandon Herrera?
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Not if I can help it!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:43 PM
Not to worry...Brandon Herrera already did it for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7DraLWzpw
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:47 PM (Wnv9h)
Future Governor of Texas, Brandon Herrera?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at March 22, 2026 07:50 PM (xcxpd)
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Have you looked at SEB rests? Highly recommended. seb is a hell of a shooter, a fine gentleman and a personal friend. He and his wife also have chihuahuas!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:48 PM (mGFn3)
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Yes, I have looked. I need to build a designated F Class rifle this year then next year I'll go after the SEB. Though, 21st Century builds a really nice coaxial rest.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:48 PM (mGFn3)
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Yes, I have looked. I need to build a designated F Class rifle this year then next year I'll go after the SEB. Though, 21st Century builds a really nice coaxial rest.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:51 PM (UJMvS)
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55 Naifs that Mr. TiFW and I are, we had never smelled marijuana in the wild....
(In order to make this gun-thread adjacent, I will say that I wanted to shoot whoever it was that was smoking that stinky stuff. Does that count?)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 07:40 PM
Can't stand the smell of that stuff. Vile skunkweed.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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Common in too many public areas nowadays.
(In order to make this gun-thread adjacent, I will say that I wanted to shoot whoever it was that was smoking that stinky stuff. Does that count?)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 07:40 PM
Can't stand the smell of that stuff. Vile skunkweed.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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Common in too many public areas nowadays.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 07:51 PM (E4rtv)
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Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:51 PM (UJMvS)
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21st Century (John, I think) also makes some nice reloading gear.
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21st Century (John, I think) also makes some nice reloading gear.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:52 PM (mGFn3)
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Whoops, I'm wrong. I thought 21st Century offered a coaxial rest. They do not. They appear to have the Mariner wheel style only.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:52 PM (UJMvS)
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Evening all. I would love to put this on my bucket list.
Ohio Ordnance Works H.C.A.R. in .30-06
See it here: https://bit.ly/40Fyaho
A modernized take on the legendary Browning Automatic Rifle—featuring a lighter receiver, adjustable stock, pistol grip, and optics-ready rail system.
Finished in custom camo and equipped with a folding bipod, this one blends history with performance.
Ohio Ordnance Works H.C.A.R. in .30-06
See it here: https://bit.ly/40Fyaho
A modernized take on the legendary Browning Automatic Rifle—featuring a lighter receiver, adjustable stock, pistol grip, and optics-ready rail system.
Finished in custom camo and equipped with a folding bipod, this one blends history with performance.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 07:53 PM (MoLlY)
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For now I purchased a Magpul for an M-lok mount.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:29 PM (OF02a)
They have two kinds...one is a standard bipod, and one is more adjustable. I have both, and they are both good, but the adjustable one might work better for a long distance rifle.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:29 PM (OF02a)
They have two kinds...one is a standard bipod, and one is more adjustable. I have both, and they are both good, but the adjustable one might work better for a long distance rifle.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 07:53 PM (n9ltV)
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Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:52 PM (UJMvS)
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Get the SEB. You will not regret it. If you remind me I can bring mine to TX.
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Get the SEB. You will not regret it. If you remind me I can bring mine to TX.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:54 PM (mGFn3)
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58 Also, yeah... you SHOULDN'T drop your firearm.
But if it happens, it better fucking still work when you pick up up.
#GlockandXDLife
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Serious defense arms and training result in drops happening when and not if--firearms for serious social use MUST be drop safe and still function as you said.
But if it happens, it better fucking still work when you pick up up.
#GlockandXDLife
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Serious defense arms and training result in drops happening when and not if--firearms for serious social use MUST be drop safe and still function as you said.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 07:55 PM (E4rtv)
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I use a 21st Century expanding mandrel on my 30-06 ammunition. Really nice stuff.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 07:55 PM (UJMvS)
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59 Also, does Tikka recommend a break-in schedule?
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:46 PM
None that I know of.
Looking to hit the range again in the next week of so and go through the process again.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 07:46 PM
None that I know of.
Looking to hit the range again in the next week of so and go through the process again.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:56 PM (OF02a)
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A modernized take on the legendary Browning Automatic Rifle—featuring a lighter receiver, adjustable stock, pistol grip, and optics-ready rail system.
Finished in custom camo and equipped with a folding bipod, this one blends history with performance.
Posted by: rickb223
Too bad the Knob Creek Machine Gun Show went mort. You could fire a lot of those bucket list expensive firearms without buying them and worrying about feeding, the ATF, nor storage.
I think Battlefield Las Vegas still allows some of that experience along with some others if you go there. Haven't kept up with them.
Finished in custom camo and equipped with a folding bipod, this one blends history with performance.
Posted by: rickb223
Too bad the Knob Creek Machine Gun Show went mort. You could fire a lot of those bucket list expensive firearms without buying them and worrying about feeding, the ATF, nor storage.
I think Battlefield Las Vegas still allows some of that experience along with some others if you go there. Haven't kept up with them.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 07:57 PM (E4rtv)
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Experience is the result of having bad judgement.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 07:44 PM (0sNs1)
Nope. It can also be the result of being bad judgment adjacent. That's actually the better method.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 07:44 PM (0sNs1)
Nope. It can also be the result of being bad judgment adjacent. That's actually the better method.
Posted by: GWB at March 22, 2026 07:58 PM (NBtH1)
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68 but the adjustable one might work better for a long distance rifle.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 07:53 PM
I made sure I got the adjustable one.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 07:53 PM
I made sure I got the adjustable one.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 07:59 PM (OF02a)
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74 Experience is the result of having bad judgement.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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As GWB says, a wise man learns from others having bad judgment. A fool has to repeat the mistake for themselves.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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As GWB says, a wise man learns from others having bad judgment. A fool has to repeat the mistake for themselves.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:00 PM (E4rtv)
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Scoobs, barrel break in is often a good thing. See https://thegunzone.com/how-to-break-in-a-tikka-t3-barrel/
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM (WFfw3)
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G'evening, all!
Been a while since I visited the Gun Thread.
So with recent events, and our Church looking at increasing our defensive abilities, I took the plunge and got my paws on the Ruger security 380, and just completed the SC State CWP course yesterday.
Been a while since I visited the Gun Thread.
So with recent events, and our Church looking at increasing our defensive abilities, I took the plunge and got my paws on the Ruger security 380, and just completed the SC State CWP course yesterday.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM (iMotb)
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rickb I am going to hold out for a real BAR
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM (Ia/+0)
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Shot my SPC9SD for the 2nd time on Fri. It's incredibly fun to shoot. Surpisingly accurate too, for a short barrel with holes in it. Handguard gets to hot to touch, so i'll have to figure something out for that.
Also, I'm now a lazer man. Always thought they were dumb, but they work and they are fun.
Also, I'm now a lazer man. Always thought they were dumb, but they work and they are fun.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 22, 2026 08:02 PM (P4bJX)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 08:03 PM (oLdT5)
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My son just recently bought his first house in a kinda rough neighborhood. He's not against guns, but not a gun nut like me, either. So, I've been considering what to get him for home defense.
As he's not a gun nut, I don't want something with a magazine using springs, as he won't rotate mags, and you'd want the weapon loaded. Break actions (like a coach gun) have a bit too little capacity, so I'm thinking revolver.
Was at a gun show with my dad last weekend, and saw a Taurus Judge Home Defender model, and it seemed just about right. Slap a pressure activated laser sight on it and load it with 000 buck and it could be just about perfect. https://tinyurl.com/y9b8fd6z
I even have a shelf with a hidden compartment perfect for it to mount near his bed! Kinda like this, but nicer and mad by a local https://tinyurl.com/yvcam2u9
As he's not a gun nut, I don't want something with a magazine using springs, as he won't rotate mags, and you'd want the weapon loaded. Break actions (like a coach gun) have a bit too little capacity, so I'm thinking revolver.
Was at a gun show with my dad last weekend, and saw a Taurus Judge Home Defender model, and it seemed just about right. Slap a pressure activated laser sight on it and load it with 000 buck and it could be just about perfect. https://tinyurl.com/y9b8fd6z
I even have a shelf with a hidden compartment perfect for it to mount near his bed! Kinda like this, but nicer and mad by a local https://tinyurl.com/yvcam2u9
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 22, 2026 08:03 PM (ycI94)
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71 I use a 21st Century expanding mandrel on my 30-06 ammunition. Really nice stuff.
Posted by: Blake
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Shooting reminds me of golf in a way.
Easy to go down an expensive rabbit hole for ultimate accuracy. And at the top level of either golf or shooting, everyone is trying their very best to stay ahead of the competition and looking for an edge.
Posted by: Blake
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Shooting reminds me of golf in a way.
Easy to go down an expensive rabbit hole for ultimate accuracy. And at the top level of either golf or shooting, everyone is trying their very best to stay ahead of the competition and looking for an edge.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:03 PM (E4rtv)
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Too bad the Knob Creek Machine Gun Show went mort. You could fire a lot of those bucket list expensive firearms without buying them and worrying about feeding, the ATF, nor storage.
I think Battlefield Las Vegas still allows some of that experience along with some others if you go there. Haven't kept up with them.
Posted by: whig
Wyoming has a machine gun shoot. I keep seeing it on facebook.
I think Battlefield Las Vegas still allows some of that experience along with some others if you go there. Haven't kept up with them.
Posted by: whig
Wyoming has a machine gun shoot. I keep seeing it on facebook.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:03 PM (MoLlY)
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So with recent events, and our Church looking at increasing our defensive abilities, I took the plunge and got my paws on the Ruger security 380, and just completed the SC State CWP course yesterday.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
That’s awesome! Good for you!
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
That’s awesome! Good for you!
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:03 PM (A5RD0)
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Reminds me of what Julie Andrews said referring to singing. An amateur practices until they get it right; a professional practices until they cannot get it wrong.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:04 PM (E4rtv)
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Wyoming has a machine gun shoot. I keep seeing it on facebook.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:03 PM (MoLlY)
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Big Sandy Machine Gun shoot. Happens in my neck of the woods.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:03 PM (MoLlY)
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Big Sandy Machine Gun shoot. Happens in my neck of the woods.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 08:04 PM (UJMvS)
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77 Scoobs, barrel break in is often a good thing. See https://thegunzone.com/how-to-break-in-a-tikka-t3-barrel/
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM
Geez, this is like MATH!!! LOL
I already have 32 rounds through the barrel. Will clean it before I take it out to the range again.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM
Geez, this is like MATH!!! LOL
I already have 32 rounds through the barrel. Will clean it before I take it out to the range again.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 08:04 PM (OF02a)
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Wyoming has a machine gun shoot. I keep seeing it on facebook.
Posted by: rickb223
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It would be the place for it.
Posted by: rickb223
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It would be the place for it.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:05 PM (E4rtv)
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Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison
Shotgun for home defense.
Shotgun for home defense.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:05 PM (A5RD0)
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78 just completed the SC State CWP course yesterday.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM
CONGRATS!!!!
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM
CONGRATS!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 08:05 PM (OF02a)
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rickb I am going to hold out for a real BAR
Posted by: Skip
I would love one. That and a real Thompson.45.
Posted by: Skip
I would love one. That and a real Thompson.45.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:05 PM (MoLlY)
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85 So with recent events, and our Church looking at increasing our defensive abilities, I took the plunge and got my paws on the Ruger security 380, and just completed the SC State CWP course yesterday.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
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May you never have to fire a shot in anger but excellent that you are prepared to do so. I think things are getting a bit rough out there.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
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May you never have to fire a shot in anger but excellent that you are prepared to do so. I think things are getting a bit rough out there.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:06 PM (E4rtv)
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So with recent events, and our Church looking at increasing our defensive abilities, I took the plunge and got my paws on the Ruger security 380, and just completed the SC State CWP course yesterday.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM
Nice!
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM
Nice!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 08:06 PM (Wnv9h)
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Have you looked at SEB rests?
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:48 PM (mGFn3)
Wow! I just took a look at his website. Those things are gorgeous!
I don't want to know how much they cost...
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 07:48 PM (mGFn3)
Wow! I just took a look at his website. Those things are gorgeous!
I don't want to know how much they cost...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:06 PM (n9ltV)
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While I like the BAR, if I ever win the lottery, I'm going after a Colt Monitor. Now those are cool.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (UJMvS)
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Interesting comparison between Maryland and SC.
Maryland says you must complete training just to get permission from the State to purchase a handgun.
South Carolina says that the State is required to teach the CWP course twice every month in every county in the State.
For free.
And as of last year, a permit is not required in order to carry either open, or concealed.
But the course is well worth taking.
Maryland says you must complete training just to get permission from the State to purchase a handgun.
South Carolina says that the State is required to teach the CWP course twice every month in every county in the State.
For free.
And as of last year, a permit is not required in order to carry either open, or concealed.
But the course is well worth taking.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (iMotb)
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rickb I am going to hold out for a real BAR
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM (Ia/+0)
Last transferrable one I saw in the wild was a M1918 (WWI era) BAR with a price tag of $65k. You'll need to save a lot of pennies.
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2026 08:01 PM (Ia/+0)
Last transferrable one I saw in the wild was a M1918 (WWI era) BAR with a price tag of $65k. You'll need to save a lot of pennies.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (BCwQW)
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Hi VIA
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (A5RD0)
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Also, I'm now a lazer man. Always thought they were dumb, but they work and they are fun.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
Lasers are useful for dry practice even if you don't use them for serious social events. Just remember they are zeroed at a certain range for a certain ammo and changing either can result in a shot higher or lower than what it point of aim.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
Lasers are useful for dry practice even if you don't use them for serious social events. Just remember they are zeroed at a certain range for a certain ammo and changing either can result in a shot higher or lower than what it point of aim.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:08 PM (E4rtv)
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So with recent events, and our Church looking at increasing our defensive abilities
Belt fed machine gun pits with overlapping fields of fire?
Belt fed machine gun pits with overlapping fields of fire?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:08 PM (MoLlY)
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I’ve shot a Thompson machine gun.
An historic one at that.
Posted by: nurse ratched
Now that you have made everyone jealous...
An historic one at that.
Posted by: nurse ratched
Now that you have made everyone jealous...
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:09 PM (MoLlY)
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Good evening,
Natural point of aim? My first gun was a 12ga SXS with only the front bead for sighting. It took me 3 months of repetition to get a consistent mount from what the tacticool types call high ready and 11 more from the low without hitting a foot under poa.
By the time a rifle hit the safe, I'd already read a tip in the GT comments to glue an ear plug to the stock for a tactile reminder of proper cheek placement.
Natural point of aim? My first gun was a 12ga SXS with only the front bead for sighting. It took me 3 months of repetition to get a consistent mount from what the tacticool types call high ready and 11 more from the low without hitting a foot under poa.
By the time a rifle hit the safe, I'd already read a tip in the GT comments to glue an ear plug to the stock for a tactile reminder of proper cheek placement.
Posted by: Nato at March 22, 2026 08:09 PM (MNFFT)
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102 So with recent events, and our Church looking at increasing our defensive abilities
Belt fed machine gun pits with overlapping fields of fire?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:08 PM (MoLlY)
Guard towers and concertina wire.
Belt fed machine gun pits with overlapping fields of fire?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:08 PM (MoLlY)
Guard towers and concertina wire.
Posted by: Can't be too careful these days at March 22, 2026 08:10 PM (TbWk/)
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I’ve shot a Thompson machine gun.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (A5RD0)
You do know that it is a .45ACP?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (A5RD0)
You do know that it is a .45ACP?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:11 PM (n9ltV)
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Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at March 22, 2026 08:12 PM (NlEaG)
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Thompsons are a hoot. Almost as fun as the .45cal ultimate sub-machine gun. The M3 Grease Gun.
Posted by: Reforger at March 22, 2026 08:13 PM (rpbjO)
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I’ve shot a Thompson machine gun.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (A5RD0)
You do know that it is a .45ACP?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:11 PM
And that's when the fight started, officer.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (A5RD0)
You do know that it is a .45ACP?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:11 PM
And that's when the fight started, officer.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 08:13 PM (Wnv9h)
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Was at a gun show with my dad last weekend, and saw a Taurus Judge Home Defender model, and it seemed just about right. Slap a pressure activated laser sight on it and load it with 000 buck and it could be just about perfect. https://tinyurl.com/y9b8fd6z
I even have a shelf with a hidden compartment perfect for it to mount near his bed! Kinda like this, but nicer and mad by a local https://tinyurl.com/yvcam2u9
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions
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That pistol is essentially a short barrelled shotgun without the need for NFA permit. Should have decent ballistics at bad breath range.
For home self defense, if he practices with it, it could be okay.
Just in case, I would also get an inexpensive pump action shotgun (often easy to get used) just like Nurse Ratched suggests. A youth model twenty gauge is more than sufficient.
I even have a shelf with a hidden compartment perfect for it to mount near his bed! Kinda like this, but nicer and mad by a local https://tinyurl.com/yvcam2u9
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions
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That pistol is essentially a short barrelled shotgun without the need for NFA permit. Should have decent ballistics at bad breath range.
For home self defense, if he practices with it, it could be okay.
Just in case, I would also get an inexpensive pump action shotgun (often easy to get used) just like Nurse Ratched suggests. A youth model twenty gauge is more than sufficient.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:14 PM (E4rtv)
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I just realized that I have now been a MD resident for 6 years. Need to double check my paperwork and see how long my HQL is good for.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 22, 2026 08:14 PM (t/2Uw)
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You sure did Nurse and Shot it well! One of only 8 or so Colt Thompsons with British Birmingham Arsenal Proofs on it and famous for other reasons too.
Posted by: DBCooper at March 22, 2026 08:14 PM (34M75)
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You do know that it is a .45ACP?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March
Yes, darling.
Do I need to show you how to shoot your rifle again?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March
Yes, darling.
Do I need to show you how to shoot your rifle again?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:14 PM (A5RD0)
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A timely reminder, perhaps, since y'all are discussing rear bags, that Weasel-san has taught us that the stuffing of same matters.
The ubiquitous and highly-esteemed range babes can be repelled if you use rice, and it gets damp.
The ubiquitous and highly-esteemed range babes can be repelled if you use rice, and it gets damp.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:14 PM (0sNs1)
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I'm going after a Colt Monitor. Now those are cool.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (UJMvS)
Pfft. I'm going for an ironclad Monitor. Those are even more fun to shoot. Jet skiers beware!
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 08:07 PM (UJMvS)
Pfft. I'm going for an ironclad Monitor. Those are even more fun to shoot. Jet skiers beware!
Posted by: GWB at March 22, 2026 08:15 PM (6im4G)
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Naifs that Mr. TiFW and I are, we had never smelled marijuana in the wild....
(In order to make this gun-thread adjacent, I will say that I wanted to shoot whoever it was that was smoking that stinky stuff. Does that count?)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 07:40 PM
Can't stand the smell of that stuff. Vile skunkweed.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:43 PM (Wnv9h)
Same here, Teresa and RMBS. I had an Uber passenger once who stank of weed, and I had to drive around with my windows open (in 35-degree weather) for half an hour to be ready to not give my next pax a contact high.
(In order to make this gun-thread adjacent, I will say that I wanted to shoot whoever it was that was smoking that stinky stuff. Does that count?)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 07:40 PM
Can't stand the smell of that stuff. Vile skunkweed.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 07:43 PM (Wnv9h)
Same here, Teresa and RMBS. I had an Uber passenger once who stank of weed, and I had to drive around with my windows open (in 35-degree weather) for half an hour to be ready to not give my next pax a contact high.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at March 22, 2026 08:15 PM (t2oSI)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 08:15 PM (oLdT5)
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Hi sharon!
The Mrs says hello as well.
And a brief range report on the Security 380.
In a nutshell, I like it.
Large enough to fill your hand properly, yet small enough to conceal.
And the light rack system is everything they say.
We get older, and we don't do things as well as we used to. Including absorbing recoil, and hand strength to rack a slide.
My P-64's are concealable, but punishing to shoot more than a mag or two, so it's not even enjoyable to practice.
I went through 100 rounds yesterday, and at the end of the day, my hands didn't even feel like I had been shooting.
And surprisingly, from 5-25 yards, pretty good grouping, even on 2-1 drills, and timed holster to target drills, which really surprised me.
The Mrs says hello as well.
And a brief range report on the Security 380.
In a nutshell, I like it.
Large enough to fill your hand properly, yet small enough to conceal.
And the light rack system is everything they say.
We get older, and we don't do things as well as we used to. Including absorbing recoil, and hand strength to rack a slide.
My P-64's are concealable, but punishing to shoot more than a mag or two, so it's not even enjoyable to practice.
I went through 100 rounds yesterday, and at the end of the day, my hands didn't even feel like I had been shooting.
And surprisingly, from 5-25 yards, pretty good grouping, even on 2-1 drills, and timed holster to target drills, which really surprised me.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:16 PM (iMotb)
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Do I need to show you how to shoot your rifle again?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:14 PM (A5RD0)
You need to shoot my White Oak Armory AR!
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:14 PM (A5RD0)
You need to shoot my White Oak Armory AR!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:16 PM (n9ltV)
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113 Yes, darling.
Do I need to show you how to shoot your rifle again?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:14 PM
He's dead Jim
Do I need to show you how to shoot your rifle again?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:14 PM
He's dead Jim
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 08:16 PM (OF02a)
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Well, time to wander.
Have a good one folks!
Oh, and RMBS? I snagged a really cool coin a local range hands out. The range does what they call "The Patriot Mile" or , 1,776 yards. I connected. Relatively large target but, holy smokes, probably 20 feet of wind drift to hit.
Have a good one folks!
Oh, and RMBS? I snagged a really cool coin a local range hands out. The range does what they call "The Patriot Mile" or , 1,776 yards. I connected. Relatively large target but, holy smokes, probably 20 feet of wind drift to hit.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 08:17 PM (UJMvS)
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So with recent events, and our Church looking at increasing our defensive abilities
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Belt fed machine gun pits with overlapping fields of fire?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:08 PM (MoLlY)
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Guard towers and concertina wire.
Posted by: Can't be too careful these days at March 22, 2026 08:10 PM
Claymores and fougasse pits are excellent additions, as well. Don't forget to delineate clearly your FPF plan.
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Belt fed machine gun pits with overlapping fields of fire?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:08 PM (MoLlY)
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Guard towers and concertina wire.
Posted by: Can't be too careful these days at March 22, 2026 08:10 PM
Claymores and fougasse pits are excellent additions, as well. Don't forget to delineate clearly your FPF plan.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:18 PM (0sNs1)
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As he's not a gun nut, I don't want something with a magazine using springs, as he won't rotate mags, and you'd want the weapon loaded. Break actions (like a coach gun) have a bit too little capacity, so I'm thinking revolver.
Was at a gun show with my dad last weekend, and saw a Taurus Judge Home Defender model, and it seemed just about right. Slap a pressure activated laser sight on it and load it with 000 buck and it could be just about perfect. https://tinyurl.com/y9b8fd6z
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 22, 2026 08:03 PM (ycI94)
If your son won't practice with it, that firearm may well become a liability, not an asset. It needs be something he's comfortable with and something he likes practicing with. What you think will work for him is secondary. If magazine concerns steer you toward revolvers, I'd recommend one chambered in.38 Special or .357 Magnum. .38 Specials in general are much more manageable than something chambered for .45 Long Colt. Check out the spread of a .410 shotgun round - it's not that great at the distances you'll find in a home defense scenario.
Was at a gun show with my dad last weekend, and saw a Taurus Judge Home Defender model, and it seemed just about right. Slap a pressure activated laser sight on it and load it with 000 buck and it could be just about perfect. https://tinyurl.com/y9b8fd6z
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 22, 2026 08:03 PM (ycI94)
If your son won't practice with it, that firearm may well become a liability, not an asset. It needs be something he's comfortable with and something he likes practicing with. What you think will work for him is secondary. If magazine concerns steer you toward revolvers, I'd recommend one chambered in.38 Special or .357 Magnum. .38 Specials in general are much more manageable than something chambered for .45 Long Colt. Check out the spread of a .410 shotgun round - it's not that great at the distances you'll find in a home defense scenario.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:18 PM (BCwQW)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:18 PM (n9ltV)
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Everyone I hope has a good night
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2026 08:20 PM (Ia/+0)
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Oh, and RMBS? I snagged a really cool coin a local range hands out. The range does what they call "The Patriot Mile" or , 1,776 yards. I connected. Relatively large target but, holy smokes, probably 20 feet of wind drift to hit.
Posted by: Blake
And just think, the good guys hit head sized targets.
Posted by: Blake
And just think, the good guys hit head sized targets.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:20 PM (MoLlY)
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The range does what they call "The Patriot Mile" or , 1,776 yards. I connected.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 08:17 PM (UJMvS)
What a great idea!
And...that is a very long way to shoot.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 08:17 PM (UJMvS)
What a great idea!
And...that is a very long way to shoot.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:21 PM (n9ltV)
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Oh, and RMBS? I snagged a really cool coin a local range hands out. The range does what they call "The Patriot Mile" or , 1,776 yards. I connected. Relatively large target but, holy smokes, probably 20 feet of wind drift to hit.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 08:17 PM
Niiiice.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 22, 2026 08:17 PM
Niiiice.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 08:21 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 22, 2026 08:21 PM (OF02a)
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104 Good evening,
Natural point of aim? My first gun was a 12ga SXS with only the front bead for sighting. It took me 3 months of repetition to get a consistent mount from what the tacticool types call high ready and 11 more from the low without hitting a foot under poa.
By the time a rifle hit the safe, I'd already read a tip in the GT comments to glue an ear plug to the stock for a tactile reminder of proper cheek placement.
Posted by: Nato
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The one thing that serious shotgunners get right is fitting the stock to their body. That often requires lengthening or shortening the stock, sometimes it can be fixed with shims or slipover recoil pads. And now adjustable AR type stocks are around.
Stock fit can definitely affect Point of Aim differing from Point of Impact.
If you shoot a rifle a lot, it is also important but often shotgunners go through A LOT of ammo in trap or skeet shooting.
Natural point of aim? My first gun was a 12ga SXS with only the front bead for sighting. It took me 3 months of repetition to get a consistent mount from what the tacticool types call high ready and 11 more from the low without hitting a foot under poa.
By the time a rifle hit the safe, I'd already read a tip in the GT comments to glue an ear plug to the stock for a tactile reminder of proper cheek placement.
Posted by: Nato
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The one thing that serious shotgunners get right is fitting the stock to their body. That often requires lengthening or shortening the stock, sometimes it can be fixed with shims or slipover recoil pads. And now adjustable AR type stocks are around.
Stock fit can definitely affect Point of Aim differing from Point of Impact.
If you shoot a rifle a lot, it is also important but often shotgunners go through A LOT of ammo in trap or skeet shooting.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:21 PM (E4rtv)
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What sucks about the Thompson is field stripping and cleaning it. Modern SMG's like the MP5 are much easier to maintain than a Thompson.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:21 PM (BCwQW)
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You are a cruel man.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:18 PM (n9ltV)
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Usually only for a good cause!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:18 PM (n9ltV)
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Usually only for a good cause!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 08:21 PM (oLdT5)
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128 Oh, and RMBS? I snagged a really cool coin a local range hands out. The range does what they call "The Patriot Mile" or , 1,776 yards. I connected. Relatively large target but, holy smokes, probably 20 feet of wind drift to hit.
Posted by: Blake
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Remind me not to piss you off.
Posted by: Blake
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Remind me not to piss you off.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:22 PM (E4rtv)
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Nite Scoob
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 08:22 PM (oLdT5)
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Last week I reported that recent events in Virgnia gave some impetus to purchase a suppressor. I ordered a YHM R9 from SilencerCentral. It did not say backordered on the site when I was looking which is why I ordered it. However, turns out it is backordered. Good news is none of the parcel of gun control laws have any affect on suppressors, BUT the firearm I intend the suppressor for is the EP9 which is a large format pistol - and that will be illegal to carry any place that is open to the public after July 1. I expect I will have all the things affected by the carry law moved out to Florida by then.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at March 22, 2026 08:22 PM (NlEaG)
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103 I’ve shot a Thompson machine gun.
An historic one at that.
Posted by: nurse ratched
Now that you have made everyone jealous...
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:09 PM (MoLlY)
I'm about to make everyone even more jealous - Mr. TiFW actually owns one....
An historic one at that.
Posted by: nurse ratched
Now that you have made everyone jealous...
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:09 PM (MoLlY)
I'm about to make everyone even more jealous - Mr. TiFW actually owns one....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:22 PM (SRRAx)
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Check out the spread of a .410 shotgun round - it's not that great at the distances you'll find in a home defense scenario.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:18 PM (BCwQW)
It might be acceptable, but is more likely to take out snakes and vermin (4-legged). I concur on the .38. Also easier to get ammo.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:18 PM (BCwQW)
It might be acceptable, but is more likely to take out snakes and vermin (4-legged). I concur on the .38. Also easier to get ammo.
Posted by: GWB at March 22, 2026 08:23 PM (6im4G)
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Early this week, CBD replied to a comment, and converted joules into foot-pounds unasked.
I therefore have resolved to never againtroll comment on his peccadillo for 9mm. He has earned the right to be respected for his respect for English units of measurement. Particularly since he does, in fact, have respect and deference to JMB's .45 ACP.
I therefore have resolved to never again
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:23 PM (0sNs1)
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OT
I am being followed on "X" by SteveBannon4.
I wonder how many Steve Bannon bots there are?
This one thinks that the Texas Senate race is bigger than Trump vs. Bush.
I am being followed on "X" by SteveBannon4.
I wonder how many Steve Bannon bots there are?
This one thinks that the Texas Senate race is bigger than Trump vs. Bush.
Posted by: KT at March 22, 2026 08:23 PM (7vIsy)
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Heading out early tonight, gun folk.
Thanks for another great Gun Thread, Weasel.
See y'all in the Morning Report.
Thanks for another great Gun Thread, Weasel.
See y'all in the Morning Report.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 22, 2026 08:25 PM (Wnv9h)
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I'm about to make everyone even more jealous - Mr. TiFW actually owns one....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:22 PM
Does it have a Cutt's Compensator?
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:22 PM
Does it have a Cutt's Compensator?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:25 PM (0sNs1)
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Have a great week all.
Hope to have a range report next week.
Thanks Weasel for giving us a place to catch up with good friends.
Hope to have a range report next week.
Thanks Weasel for giving us a place to catch up with good friends.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 22, 2026 08:26 PM (t/2Uw)
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Adios RMBS!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 08:26 PM (oLdT5)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 08:27 PM (oLdT5)
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Particularly since he does, in fact, have respect and deference to JMB's .45 ACP.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:23 PM (0sNs1)
I do indeed!
And I am immensely amused by the renewed interest in his design, in the form of the 2011s that are becoming incredibly popular.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:23 PM (0sNs1)
I do indeed!
And I am immensely amused by the renewed interest in his design, in the form of the 2011s that are becoming incredibly popular.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:28 PM (n9ltV)
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I'm about to make everyone even more jealous - Mr. TiFW actually owns one....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth
I dropped my phone when I got to the ellipsis.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth
I dropped my phone when I got to the ellipsis.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2026 08:28 PM (MoLlY)
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Well, I got the AR packed away in its case. Ready for range (or desert) day tomorrow.
And, bonus, I think I got the wee H&R top break .32 fixed. I simply ground the end of the mainspring down, twice. I figured the new mainspring should have a stronger spring constant than the old tired one, so a little slack at hammer takeup shouldn't matter, it's the strongly arched spring pushing on the hammer from full cock that gives it its oomph. It popped the primer on an unloaded cartridge OK, and the trigger now resets as it should. Going to the desert, too.
And, bonus, I think I got the wee H&R top break .32 fixed. I simply ground the end of the mainspring down, twice. I figured the new mainspring should have a stronger spring constant than the old tired one, so a little slack at hammer takeup shouldn't matter, it's the strongly arched spring pushing on the hammer from full cock that gives it its oomph. It popped the primer on an unloaded cartridge OK, and the trigger now resets as it should. Going to the desert, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2026 08:30 PM (8zz6B)
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I'm about to make everyone even more jealous - Mr. TiFW actually owns one....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:22 PM (SRRAx)
If you have one of the original Colt manufactured M1921 or M1921AC (w/ the Cutts compensator) Thompsons, there's a fairly extensive record of who they were sold to thanks to Colt's archives. Despite the influence of Hollywood gangster films, they were slow sellers. The last of them were still around to be bought up by the Brits post Dunkirk when the BSC came to America and bought up anything in sight.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:22 PM (SRRAx)
If you have one of the original Colt manufactured M1921 or M1921AC (w/ the Cutts compensator) Thompsons, there's a fairly extensive record of who they were sold to thanks to Colt's archives. Despite the influence of Hollywood gangster films, they were slow sellers. The last of them were still around to be bought up by the Brits post Dunkirk when the BSC came to America and bought up anything in sight.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:30 PM (BCwQW)
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I'm about to make everyone even more jealous - Mr. TiFW actually owns one....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:22 PM
Does it have a Cutt's Compensator?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:25 PM (0sNs1)
You would have to ask him - I don't know that much about guns....
He bought it (with appropriate documentation and tax stamps) from our neighbor, the gunsmith, who fell upon hard times recently. Our neighbor brought it with him for DD#3's after-wedding shooting get-together. One of their guests was from Germany, and we got a great picture of him holding it and shooting it. He was practically orgasmic 😂
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:22 PM
Does it have a Cutt's Compensator?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:25 PM (0sNs1)
You would have to ask him - I don't know that much about guns....
He bought it (with appropriate documentation and tax stamps) from our neighbor, the gunsmith, who fell upon hard times recently. Our neighbor brought it with him for DD#3's after-wedding shooting get-together. One of their guests was from Germany, and we got a great picture of him holding it and shooting it. He was practically orgasmic 😂
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:31 PM (SRRAx)
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So as folks are leaving, let me share a little bit about 380 ammo, and it's availability down here.
I live five miles from Palmetto State Armory's largest brick and mortar store. Range and practice 380 ammo is about impossible to find...anywhere.
So I had an order into Freedom Munitions that I needed to check on, and asked them about the status of 380. And the very nice woman there told me that starting last year, 380 range rounds are flying off the shelf at a rate that she has never seen before.
Almost as if a large number of folks have decided to start practicing with a round that is almost exclusively for self defense.
I just thought it was interesting.
I live five miles from Palmetto State Armory's largest brick and mortar store. Range and practice 380 ammo is about impossible to find...anywhere.
So I had an order into Freedom Munitions that I needed to check on, and asked them about the status of 380. And the very nice woman there told me that starting last year, 380 range rounds are flying off the shelf at a rate that she has never seen before.
Almost as if a large number of folks have decided to start practicing with a round that is almost exclusively for self defense.
I just thought it was interesting.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:32 PM (iMotb)
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Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:31 PM (SRRAx)
I am very jealous!
Oh...add the full URL to your URL box if you want your nic to be a link. https://.....
I am very jealous!
Oh...add the full URL to your URL box if you want your nic to be a link. https://.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 08:34 PM (n9ltV)
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Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:32 PM (iMotb)
One of the reasons to go with calibers that were adopted by the military. They're usually available (even at a higher price) than those that depend exclusively on commercial sales to make $$. .380 was tough to come by during the pandemic too.
One of the reasons to go with calibers that were adopted by the military. They're usually available (even at a higher price) than those that depend exclusively on commercial sales to make $$. .380 was tough to come by during the pandemic too.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:35 PM (BCwQW)
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You would have to ask him - I don't know that much about guns....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:31 PM
Have you considered hanging out here more? :-D
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:31 PM
Have you considered hanging out here more? :-D
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:35 PM (0sNs1)
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.380 was tough to come by during the pandemic too.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:35 PM (BCwQW)
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Yep.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:35 PM (BCwQW)
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Yep.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 08:37 PM (Jtz/H)
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He's a lucky German to get a pic with one. Most of them got a three-shot burst from the business end.
Posted by: DBCooper at March 22, 2026 08:38 PM (34M75)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 22, 2026 08:38 PM (hOUT3)
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I live five miles from Palmetto State Armory's largest brick and mortar store. Range and practice 380 ammo is about impossible to find...anywhere.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:32 PM
Our local 'cop shop' has (maybe had, it's been a couple of months) a bunch of LE trade-in. 50 round boxes of name-brand FMJ for $14.95. Yes, I bought some, along with some Federal 00 buck Flight Control for $2.79/box of 5.
You might check your local 'cop shop'.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2026 08:32 PM
Our local 'cop shop' has (maybe had, it's been a couple of months) a bunch of LE trade-in. 50 round boxes of name-brand FMJ for $14.95. Yes, I bought some, along with some Federal 00 buck Flight Control for $2.79/box of 5.
You might check your local 'cop shop'.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:39 PM (0sNs1)
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Whatever you buy, don't buy a Taurus Judge.
Taurus makes other good revolvers. Get a .357 of any variety rather than the Judge. That gun is crap-tacular.
Also almost any automatic is better than a revolver of any kind. Get a cheap PSA Dagger and 1k of 9mm. You'll do better, be better.
Taurus makes other good revolvers. Get a .357 of any variety rather than the Judge. That gun is crap-tacular.
Also almost any automatic is better than a revolver of any kind. Get a cheap PSA Dagger and 1k of 9mm. You'll do better, be better.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:40 PM (xcxpd)
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Also almost any automatic is better than a revolver of any kind.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:40 PM
Counter-argument: Kel-Tec. Lorca. Need I go on?
Seriously, y'all just trying to get the natives restless?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:40 PM
Counter-argument: Kel-Tec. Lorca. Need I go on?
Seriously, y'all just trying to get the natives restless?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:42 PM (0sNs1)
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Federal 00 buck Flight Control for $2.79/box of 5.
'Stop running! Or I'll shoot!'
'Stop running! Or I'll shoot!'
Posted by: Eromero at March 22, 2026 08:42 PM (LHPAg)
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153 You would have to ask him - I don't know that much about guns....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:31 PM
Have you considered hanging out here more? :-D
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:35 PM (0sNs1)
😂😂😂
Never been all that interested in them (sacrilege, I know) - Dad owned them, but would never have even considered teaching his dear daughters about them. He was a bit anal when it came to stuff like that (I never knew that kitchen knives could actually CUT things - he kept ours duller than dishwater).
Now, time for me is a little too precious and uncertain (and my body a little too frail) for me to spend it learning about things I probably will never be using.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:31 PM
Have you considered hanging out here more? :-D
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:35 PM (0sNs1)
😂😂😂
Never been all that interested in them (sacrilege, I know) - Dad owned them, but would never have even considered teaching his dear daughters about them. He was a bit anal when it came to stuff like that (I never knew that kitchen knives could actually CUT things - he kept ours duller than dishwater).
Now, time for me is a little too precious and uncertain (and my body a little too frail) for me to spend it learning about things I probably will never be using.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:43 PM (SRRAx)
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Shotgun for home defense.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:05 PM (A5RD0)
Shotguns solve problems
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 22, 2026 08:05 PM (A5RD0)
Shotguns solve problems
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:43 PM (xcxpd)
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Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:31 PM
Have you considered hanging out here more? :-D
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:35 PM (0sNs1)
She appears to already be.
'If the student has not learned, the teacher has not taught.'
Have you considered hanging out here more? :-D
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:35 PM (0sNs1)
She appears to already be.
'If the student has not learned, the teacher has not taught.'
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 22, 2026 08:44 PM (zZu0s)
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159 Also almost any automatic is better than a revolver of any kind.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:40 PM
Counter-argument: Kel-Tec. Lorca. Need I go on?
Seriously, y'all just trying to get the natives restless?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:42 PM (0sNs1)
Hey...I said 'almost' and I have owned Kel-Tecs that I DO trust. Just not my P3at.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:40 PM
Counter-argument: Kel-Tec. Lorca. Need I go on?
Seriously, y'all just trying to get the natives restless?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 22, 2026 08:42 PM (0sNs1)
Hey...I said 'almost' and I have owned Kel-Tecs that I DO trust. Just not my P3at.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:44 PM (xcxpd)
165
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:21 PM (E4rtv)
I've been told the same... That buttstock is absolutely to short... But after it became second nature to get around it by only having 1 shotgun that no one seems to consider serious, but that i never have any doubts in. Practice>gear.
For the rifle,a new word for me is "vignetting" (thanks for the vocab +1, Weasel) which for my stature can only be solved with buttstock spacers.
Thanks for the tips, i try it most of the ones i read when I'm lurking.
I've been told the same... That buttstock is absolutely to short... But after it became second nature to get around it by only having 1 shotgun that no one seems to consider serious, but that i never have any doubts in. Practice>gear.
For the rifle,a new word for me is "vignetting" (thanks for the vocab +1, Weasel) which for my stature can only be solved with buttstock spacers.
Thanks for the tips, i try it most of the ones i read when I'm lurking.
Posted by: Nato at March 22, 2026 08:45 PM (MNFFT)
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156 Sort of on topic:
https://tinyurl.com/yufrry6x
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 22, 2026 08:38 PM (hOUT3)
Good to see that kind of skill these days.
https://tinyurl.com/yufrry6x
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 22, 2026 08:38 PM (hOUT3)
Good to see that kind of skill these days.
Posted by: Eromero at March 22, 2026 08:46 PM (LHPAg)
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Shotguns solve problems
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:43 PM (xcxpd)
Like hearing. It won't be a problem anymore.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:43 PM (xcxpd)
Like hearing. It won't be a problem anymore.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 22, 2026 08:47 PM (zZu0s)
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Thanks for the tips, i try it most of the ones i read when I'm lurking.
Posted by: Nato at March 22, 2026 08:45 PM (MNFFT)
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Thanks for delurking tonight!
Posted by: Nato at March 22, 2026 08:45 PM (MNFFT)
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Thanks for delurking tonight!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 08:47 PM (Jtz/H)
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Almost as if a large number of folks have decided to start practicing with a round that is almost exclusively for self defense.
I just thought it was interesting.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
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Very possible. Other than 9mm and perhaps 40 S&W and 45 ACP, a lot of other pistol cartridges are scheduled runs, the more uncommon the cartridge and demand, the less often the scheduled run. But, like a lot of ammo scheduling, it is based on past demand projecting into the future.
380 ACP had a supply shock when the really small compact 380 pistols came out by Keltec and Ruger, over ten or so years ago. Demand soared for ammo which simply was not there. Then demand for the ammo and tiny handguns receded because those small and light guns are not particularly pleasant to fire even with 380 ACP.
Now, mebbe, the same cycle is occurring as larger and heavier firearms chambered in it and the 380 ACP are popular again apparently.
I noticed the same phenomenon with 327 Magnum pistols, they built snubbies for these which is ludicrous. Like the 357, these are best shot in larger and heavier firearms, not small 2 inch or so snubbies.
I just thought it was interesting.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
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Very possible. Other than 9mm and perhaps 40 S&W and 45 ACP, a lot of other pistol cartridges are scheduled runs, the more uncommon the cartridge and demand, the less often the scheduled run. But, like a lot of ammo scheduling, it is based on past demand projecting into the future.
380 ACP had a supply shock when the really small compact 380 pistols came out by Keltec and Ruger, over ten or so years ago. Demand soared for ammo which simply was not there. Then demand for the ammo and tiny handguns receded because those small and light guns are not particularly pleasant to fire even with 380 ACP.
Now, mebbe, the same cycle is occurring as larger and heavier firearms chambered in it and the 380 ACP are popular again apparently.
I noticed the same phenomenon with 327 Magnum pistols, they built snubbies for these which is ludicrous. Like the 357, these are best shot in larger and heavier firearms, not small 2 inch or so snubbies.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:47 PM (E4rtv)
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SilencerCentral has kiosks at resellers so that you can do your Form 3 all in one place - fill it out on the kiosk including getting your fingerprints.
The store that had the kiosk is not one I have been to before. It is small, and one guy behind the counter - not sure if he is the owner I am thinking it is.
Anyway, he was rude and dismissive. I have never run into that at a gun store though I have seen videos on YouTube about the 4 types of gun store staffers or whatever and they include the rude guy. But have never experienced it in person. Until now.
The store that had the kiosk is not one I have been to before. It is small, and one guy behind the counter - not sure if he is the owner I am thinking it is.
Anyway, he was rude and dismissive. I have never run into that at a gun store though I have seen videos on YouTube about the 4 types of gun store staffers or whatever and they include the rude guy. But have never experienced it in person. Until now.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at March 22, 2026 08:50 PM (NlEaG)
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Never been all that interested in them (sacrilege, I know) - Dad owned them, but would never have even considered teaching his dear daughters about them. He was a bit anal when it came to stuff like that (I never knew that kitchen knives could actually CUT things - he kept ours duller than dishwater).
Now, time for me is a little too precious and uncertain (and my body a little too frail) for me to spend it learning about things I probably will never be using.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:43 PM (SRRAx)
Provenance and history is a big factor in the collectibles market (which all original Thompsons from Colt are). A Thompson made during the post war period will never compete in the same league (assuming condition is roughly equal) as a Model 1921 Colt Thompson. If you can document that your Thompson has passed through the hands of a law enforcement organization, a famous (or notorious) person, it will command much more than a Thompson without any notable history behind it.
Now, time for me is a little too precious and uncertain (and my body a little too frail) for me to spend it learning about things I probably will never be using.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:43 PM (SRRAx)
Provenance and history is a big factor in the collectibles market (which all original Thompsons from Colt are). A Thompson made during the post war period will never compete in the same league (assuming condition is roughly equal) as a Model 1921 Colt Thompson. If you can document that your Thompson has passed through the hands of a law enforcement organization, a famous (or notorious) person, it will command much more than a Thompson without any notable history behind it.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:50 PM (BCwQW)
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167 Shotguns solve problems
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:43 PM (xcxpd)
Like hearing. It won't be a problem anymore.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 22, 2026 08:47 PM (zZu0s)
What?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:43 PM (xcxpd)
Like hearing. It won't be a problem anymore.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 22, 2026 08:47 PM (zZu0s)
What?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:50 PM (xcxpd)
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Earlier today I opened a new bottle of rifle powder. It had the original price label on it, $20.90. Usually I write the purchase date on powder and primers, but this one doesn't have a date. From that price I assume it's from before 2020. It will cost me close to double that to replace it.
Posted by: a.moron at March 22, 2026 08:50 PM (X5Jzz)
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I carry a snubbie .357 with .357, I shoot the snubby .357 with .38 special.
Posted by: Eromero at March 22, 2026 08:52 PM (LHPAg)
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I've been told the same... That buttstock is absolutely to short... But after it became second nature to get around it by only having 1 shotgun that no one seems to consider serious, but that i never have any doubts in. Practice>gear.
For the rifle,a new word for me is "vignetting" (thanks for the vocab +1, Weasel) which for my stature can only be solved with buttstock spacers.
Thanks for the tips, i try it most of the ones i read when I'm lurking.
Posted by: Nato a
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Try a slip on recoil pad. Limbsaver and Allen among others make them. And they tell you how much they increase the length of pull aka LOP. Usually gain about 1/2 to 1 inch with a std one.
They also make grind to fit length of pull buttpads and shims where it literally installs with longer screws into the stock. Either of these can increase length of pull.
To reduce the length, usually requires cutting the stock (sometimes youth stocks are available which are usually 1-1.5 inches shorter in LOP.).
For the rifle,a new word for me is "vignetting" (thanks for the vocab +1, Weasel) which for my stature can only be solved with buttstock spacers.
Thanks for the tips, i try it most of the ones i read when I'm lurking.
Posted by: Nato a
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Try a slip on recoil pad. Limbsaver and Allen among others make them. And they tell you how much they increase the length of pull aka LOP. Usually gain about 1/2 to 1 inch with a std one.
They also make grind to fit length of pull buttpads and shims where it literally installs with longer screws into the stock. Either of these can increase length of pull.
To reduce the length, usually requires cutting the stock (sometimes youth stocks are available which are usually 1-1.5 inches shorter in LOP.).
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 08:53 PM (E4rtv)
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A 2" barrel won't allow the .357 Magnum round the develop the extra velocity that makes it more effective. But it will give you a decent imitation of a flash-bang in your face. Tried .357 out of snub nosed Python (2.5" barrel) once. I don't recommend it. If you're going to use .357, go with at least a 4" barrel.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:56 PM (BCwQW)
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Provenance and history is a big factor in the collectibles market (which all original Thompsons from Colt are). A Thompson made during the post war period will never compete in the same league (assuming condition is roughly equal) as a Model 1921 Colt Thompson. If you can document that your Thompson has passed through the hands of a law enforcement organization, a famous (or notorious) person, it will command much more than a Thompson without any notable history behind it.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:50 PM (BCwQW)
DD#3 already has dibs on it - DD#1 has no interest in firearms, and DD#4 has Down syndrome. If DD#2 was still alive, she and DD#3 might have to tussle for it 😂
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 08:50 PM (BCwQW)
DD#3 already has dibs on it - DD#1 has no interest in firearms, and DD#4 has Down syndrome. If DD#2 was still alive, she and DD#3 might have to tussle for it 😂
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:57 PM (SRRAx)
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Teresa IFW, does hubby have the Thompson in an NFA Trust?
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 08:57 PM (ttrGW)
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I can't endorse .357 magnum out of a snubbie. You just are not getting ideal performance and you are getting pain.
If you need a snubbie instead of a real handgun, load .38 special wadcutters. Those flat cylinders will make sufficient holes without wasting powder and causing shooter pain.
If you need a snubbie instead of a real handgun, load .38 special wadcutters. Those flat cylinders will make sufficient holes without wasting powder and causing shooter pain.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:58 PM (xcxpd)
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178 Teresa IFW, does hubby have the Thompson in an NFA Trust?
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 08:57 PM (ttrGW)
I don't think so - please send me some info on that, as we will definitely need to look into that!
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 08:57 PM (ttrGW)
I don't think so - please send me some info on that, as we will definitely need to look into that!
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:59 PM (SRRAx)
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will make sufficient holes without wasting powder and causing shooter pain.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:58 PM (xcxpd)
They will, however, cause target pain.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:58 PM (xcxpd)
They will, however, cause target pain.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:00 PM (ttrGW)
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He has had it less than a year - tried to get him to take it to the Texas MoMe last October, but he didn't want to do that.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 09:01 PM (SRRAx)
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181 will make sufficient holes without wasting powder and causing shooter pain.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:58 PM (xcxpd)
They will, however, cause target pain.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:00 PM (ttrGW)
Eh. Eh. Will it really? 2" or 1 3/4" barrel you aren't really getting the velocity that makes .357 interesting. Might do better packing .44 special or .45 ACP....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 08:58 PM (xcxpd)
They will, however, cause target pain.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:00 PM (ttrGW)
Eh. Eh. Will it really? 2" or 1 3/4" barrel you aren't really getting the velocity that makes .357 interesting. Might do better packing .44 special or .45 ACP....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 09:01 PM (xcxpd)
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174 I carry a snubbie .357 with .357, I shoot the snubby .357 with .38 special.
Posted by: Eromero
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Ballistics of a 357 are not that much better compared to a stiff +p 38 Special in a barrel shorter than 2 inches unless you go for the specialized short barrel self defense ammo like Speer's Gold Dot. Personally prefer 3 inch barrels which are not exactly snubbies anymore but the 357 begins to shine when the barrel length is 4 inches or more. Much less nasty blast too.
I carried and shot snubbies for years with +p which are adequate for self defense but a couple of boxes of ammo with a range's 357 snubbie convinced me that I wanted a longer barrel to shoot one than a 2.5 incher. IIRC, it was a Speed Six snubbie.
If I personally had to shoot a magnum snubbie with a 357 (or the Treasury Load of +P+ 38 Special) self defense round, the fast and lighter bullets, aka 100-110 gr, do pretty good as far as ballistics and recoil albeit you still have the muzzle blast from them.
Posted by: Eromero
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Ballistics of a 357 are not that much better compared to a stiff +p 38 Special in a barrel shorter than 2 inches unless you go for the specialized short barrel self defense ammo like Speer's Gold Dot. Personally prefer 3 inch barrels which are not exactly snubbies anymore but the 357 begins to shine when the barrel length is 4 inches or more. Much less nasty blast too.
I carried and shot snubbies for years with +p which are adequate for self defense but a couple of boxes of ammo with a range's 357 snubbie convinced me that I wanted a longer barrel to shoot one than a 2.5 incher. IIRC, it was a Speed Six snubbie.
If I personally had to shoot a magnum snubbie with a 357 (or the Treasury Load of +P+ 38 Special) self defense round, the fast and lighter bullets, aka 100-110 gr, do pretty good as far as ballistics and recoil albeit you still have the muzzle blast from them.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 09:02 PM (E4rtv)
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My 357 is a Ruger SP101 w/ 3" barrel. Running 38 spl in it, firing single action, it's my best centerfire hitter. But with mags, it hurts after about 10 rounds.
Posted by: M. Gaga at March 22, 2026 09:03 PM (KiBMU)
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Teresa IFW, does hubby have the Thompson in an NFA Trust?
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 08:57 PM (ttrGW)
I don't think so - please send me some info on that, as we will definitely need to look into that!
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:59 PM (SRRAx)
Teresa, if he wants to pass that on to a family member, it i# absolutely a requirement to do an NFA Trust; otherwise, when he passes, the gun will go straight to law enforcement and there is serious legal jeopardy.
Over at my place last week, I did a series on gun trusts. Read, and when you have questions, comment or contact me. Weasel, CBD and others have my contact info.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 08:57 PM (ttrGW)
I don't think so - please send me some info on that, as we will definitely need to look into that!
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 08:59 PM (SRRAx)
Teresa, if he wants to pass that on to a family member, it i# absolutely a requirement to do an NFA Trust; otherwise, when he passes, the gun will go straight to law enforcement and there is serious legal jeopardy.
Over at my place last week, I did a series on gun trusts. Read, and when you have questions, comment or contact me. Weasel, CBD and others have my contact info.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:05 PM (ttrGW)
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185 My 357 is a Ruger SP101 w/ 3" barrel. Running 38 spl in it, firing single action, it's my best centerfire hitter. But with mags, it hurts after about 10 rounds.
Posted by: M. Gaga at March 22, 2026 09:03 PM (KiBMU)
This.
The SP 101 is a very solid gun but man does it hurt shooting magnums out of it.
Posted by: M. Gaga at March 22, 2026 09:03 PM (KiBMU)
This.
The SP 101 is a very solid gun but man does it hurt shooting magnums out of it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 09:05 PM (xcxpd)
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This is one recognized as good in those 1 7/8 inch barrel Smith snubbies,
Gold Dot Short Barrel Personal Protection, 357 Magnum, 135 Grain, Gold Dot Hollow Point Short Barrel, 990 fps
Corbon PowrBall will get you about 1150-1200 fps in 357 Magnum with a 100 gr polymer capped bullet and about 1/2 expanded with 12 inches of penetration.
If you do carry a 357 snubbie, Powrball has a fmj profile so it works well in speedloaders where wadcutters or even semi wadcutters can sometimes hang a bit on going into the chambers.
Gold Dot Short Barrel Personal Protection, 357 Magnum, 135 Grain, Gold Dot Hollow Point Short Barrel, 990 fps
Corbon PowrBall will get you about 1150-1200 fps in 357 Magnum with a 100 gr polymer capped bullet and about 1/2 expanded with 12 inches of penetration.
If you do carry a 357 snubbie, Powrball has a fmj profile so it works well in speedloaders where wadcutters or even semi wadcutters can sometimes hang a bit on going into the chambers.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 09:09 PM (E4rtv)
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Eh. Eh. Will it really? 2" or 1 3/4" barrel you aren't really getting the velocity that makes .357 interesting. Might do better packing .44 special or .45 ACP....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 09:01 PM (xcxpd)
MAE, my understanding is that old LEO preferred .38 in wadcutters because of the wound cutting effect. I’ve shot wadcutters and semi wadcutters out of a 4” bbl .38 Spl and can confirm.
Nothing like .357, etc., but I would not volunteer to be a target. 😀
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 09:01 PM (xcxpd)
MAE, my understanding is that old LEO preferred .38 in wadcutters because of the wound cutting effect. I’ve shot wadcutters and semi wadcutters out of a 4” bbl .38 Spl and can confirm.
Nothing like .357, etc., but I would not volunteer to be a target. 😀
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:09 PM (ttrGW)
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187 185 My 357 is a Ruger SP101 w/ 3" barrel. Running 38 spl in it, firing single action, it's my best centerfire hitter. But with mags, it hurts after about 10 rounds.
Posted by: M. Gaga at March 22, 2026 09:03 PM (KiBMU)
This.
The SP 101 is a very solid gun but man does it hurt shooting magnums out of it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Reason why I wear padded shooting gloves for extended range and use a PACT gel shoulder shield when shooting rifles or shotguns. Hurting from recoil shortens practice and degrades accuracy so why hurt when shooting.
Posted by: M. Gaga at March 22, 2026 09:03 PM (KiBMU)
This.
The SP 101 is a very solid gun but man does it hurt shooting magnums out of it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Reason why I wear padded shooting gloves for extended range and use a PACT gel shoulder shield when shooting rifles or shotguns. Hurting from recoil shortens practice and degrades accuracy so why hurt when shooting.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 09:10 PM (E4rtv)
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189 Eh. Eh. Will it really? 2" or 1 3/4" barrel you aren't really getting the velocity that makes .357 interesting. Might do better packing .44 special or .45 ACP....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 09:01 PM (xcxpd)
MAE, my understanding is that old LEO preferred .38 in wadcutters because of the wound cutting effect. I’ve shot wadcutters and semi wadcutters out of a 4” bbl .38 Spl and can confirm.
Nothing like .357, etc., but I would not volunteer to be a target. 😀
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:09 PM (ttrGW)
Jah, I go off Jim Cirillo's judgement who shot a lot of people while an NYPD cop. The 'barrel' shape of the wadcutter made it more useful than the round nose ball ammo. You want to dump energy into the target and not have rounds slip through the skin and exit without making holes in organs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 09:01 PM (xcxpd)
MAE, my understanding is that old LEO preferred .38 in wadcutters because of the wound cutting effect. I’ve shot wadcutters and semi wadcutters out of a 4” bbl .38 Spl and can confirm.
Nothing like .357, etc., but I would not volunteer to be a target. 😀
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:09 PM (ttrGW)
Jah, I go off Jim Cirillo's judgement who shot a lot of people while an NYPD cop. The 'barrel' shape of the wadcutter made it more useful than the round nose ball ammo. You want to dump energy into the target and not have rounds slip through the skin and exit without making holes in organs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 09:12 PM (xcxpd)
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Nothing like .357, etc., but I would not volunteer to be a target. 😀
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:09 PM (ttrGW)
I have a bunch of .38 Special +P that I shoot out of my Ruger GP100 4". It's stout, but absolutely controllable, and the GP100 grip is excellent, so it is fine for extended range sessions.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:09 PM (ttrGW)
I have a bunch of .38 Special +P that I shoot out of my Ruger GP100 4". It's stout, but absolutely controllable, and the GP100 grip is excellent, so it is fine for extended range sessions.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 09:15 PM (n9ltV)
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MAE, my understanding is that old LEO preferred .38 in wadcutters because of the wound cutting effect. I’ve shot wadcutters and semi wadcutters out of a 4” bbl .38 Spl and can confirm.
Nothing like .357, etc., but I would not volunteer to be a target. 😀
Posted by: RI Red
It was because round tipped lead bullets common at the time were known as widow makers. Wadcutters and the later Semi Wadcutters might not expand but did break bones and penetrate causing more wound channel damage than round tipped.
The ultimate old style tech was the swaged (almost pure lead) lead semi wadcutter hollow points that Federal, Remington, and Winchester sold at 158 gr +p for law enforcement. These expanded well at about 1000 fps or so from 4 inch cop barrelled revolvers.
Then the switch to magnums began with the 357 magnum 125 gr hollow points propelled to about 1400-1450 fps out of 4 inch barrels. This gave cops exponentially more power to penetrate car bodies and cause really nasty wounds in perps.
The older 158 gr bullets in 357 magnum, usually scalloped aka semi jacketed did not give the same wounding stats which is why cops initially did not like the Magnum as much in the 50-60's.
Nothing like .357, etc., but I would not volunteer to be a target. 😀
Posted by: RI Red
It was because round tipped lead bullets common at the time were known as widow makers. Wadcutters and the later Semi Wadcutters might not expand but did break bones and penetrate causing more wound channel damage than round tipped.
The ultimate old style tech was the swaged (almost pure lead) lead semi wadcutter hollow points that Federal, Remington, and Winchester sold at 158 gr +p for law enforcement. These expanded well at about 1000 fps or so from 4 inch cop barrelled revolvers.
Then the switch to magnums began with the 357 magnum 125 gr hollow points propelled to about 1400-1450 fps out of 4 inch barrels. This gave cops exponentially more power to penetrate car bodies and cause really nasty wounds in perps.
The older 158 gr bullets in 357 magnum, usually scalloped aka semi jacketed did not give the same wounding stats which is why cops initially did not like the Magnum as much in the 50-60's.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 09:16 PM (E4rtv)
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Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 22, 2026 09:01 PM (SRRAx)
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Just fyi for the group. Please always check with me before bringing fully automatic weapons to the TXMoMe. Thanks.
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Just fyi for the group. Please always check with me before bringing fully automatic weapons to the TXMoMe. Thanks.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:18 PM (m8wiN)
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Teresa, if he wants to pass that on to a family member, it i# absolutely a requirement to do an NFA Trust; otherwise, when he passes, the gun will go straight to law enforcement and there is serious legal jeopardy.
Over at my place last week, I did a series on gun trusts. Read, and when you have questions, comment or contact me. Weasel, CBD and others have my contact info.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:05 PM (ttrGW)
+1 on this. Don't get entangled w/ BATFE when it comes to NFA Class 3 firearms. If you want to roll w/ a trust, do it sooner rather than later.
Over at my place last week, I did a series on gun trusts. Read, and when you have questions, comment or contact me. Weasel, CBD and others have my contact info.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:05 PM (ttrGW)
+1 on this. Don't get entangled w/ BATFE when it comes to NFA Class 3 firearms. If you want to roll w/ a trust, do it sooner rather than later.
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 09:18 PM (BCwQW)
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Weasel, it's time for me to sign off for the night. Thanks for hosting!
Posted by: Ed L at March 22, 2026 09:24 PM (BCwQW)
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Jah, I go off Jim Cirillo's judgement who shot a lot of people while an NYPD cop. The 'barrel' shape of the wadcutter made it more useful than the round nose ball ammo. You want to dump energy into the target and not have rounds slip through the skin and exit without making holes in organs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
IIRC, I think part of Cirillo's quandry was NYPD was not allowed to fire hollow points when he was on it. That did not change until Amadou Diallo got cops dumping their mags into him as their 9mm fmj simply did not cause him to drop immediately. They zipped through. There was also some publicized shooting of bystanders by bullets that went through the perp and still injured others downfield including I think a cop got killed that way.
NJ, AFAIK, still has a stupid law against hollow points possessed by citizens so avoid that state if travelling through or via an airline stop even following FOPA requirements.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
IIRC, I think part of Cirillo's quandry was NYPD was not allowed to fire hollow points when he was on it. That did not change until Amadou Diallo got cops dumping their mags into him as their 9mm fmj simply did not cause him to drop immediately. They zipped through. There was also some publicized shooting of bystanders by bullets that went through the perp and still injured others downfield including I think a cop got killed that way.
NJ, AFAIK, still has a stupid law against hollow points possessed by citizens so avoid that state if travelling through or via an airline stop even following FOPA requirements.
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Appreciate all y'all being here and hope to see you here next Sunday!
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Nite Ed L! Thanks for being here.
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She re-holstered with much more skill than that woman in the SS at Butler. Is she in want of a job? (And good shooting, too.)
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Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana! ~ at March 22, 2026 08:38 PM (hOUT3)
She re-holstered with much more skill than that woman in the SS at Butler. Is she in want of a job? (And good shooting, too.)
Posted by: GWB at March 22, 2026 09:28 PM (RxVz+)
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Thanks Red. Always a pleasure.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:28 PM (m8wiN)
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NJ, AFAIK, still has a stupid law against hollow points possessed by citizens so avoid that state if travelling through or via an airline stop even following FOPA requirements.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 09:24 PM (E4rtv)
Not true. We can't carry with HP ammo, but we can own it, have it for home defense, and shoot it at the range.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 09:24 PM (E4rtv)
Not true. We can't carry with HP ammo, but we can own it, have it for home defense, and shoot it at the range.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 09:29 PM (n9ltV)
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Well, now I have gone and done it. I found a Gamo 9X40 scope at a yard sale for $3, so it had to come home with me. Has a nice bright image to it. It came with dovetail-mount scope rings on it, and I had a steel dovetail strip lying around. So I just finished drilling a pair of holes in the dovetail to match a pre-existing pair of drilled and tapped holes on the top strap of my H&R model 922 9-shot revolver.
Scope is now mounted, and feels fairly secure. Plan is to go to the desert, aim at the bullseye on a paper target, and shoot a few rounds, and make appropriate adjustments to elevation and windage, and see of point of aim can merge with point of impact, at say 25 yards.
The gun came to me with the top strap drilled.
Scope is now mounted, and feels fairly secure. Plan is to go to the desert, aim at the bullseye on a paper target, and shoot a few rounds, and make appropriate adjustments to elevation and windage, and see of point of aim can merge with point of impact, at say 25 yards.
The gun came to me with the top strap drilled.
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Thanks for the fluid coupling vid, Weasel! I'm fairly mechanical, but have to admit that's one device of which I've never had a solid understanding.
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Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:25 PM (m8wiN)
Thanks for the primer on scope eye relief. It is amazing how much complexity there is in simply setting up a rifle to shoot accurately.
Thanks for the primer on scope eye relief. It is amazing how much complexity there is in simply setting up a rifle to shoot accurately.
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You bet! I thought it was pretty interesting too.
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You bet! I thought it was pretty interesting too.
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Very sad and he died not by a gun , but Pickelball
Probably fell and hit his head just right
.the gateway pundit/2026/03/cheerleading-magnate conservative publisher jeff webb dies
Of course a good man , great business leader and friend of Charlie Kirk and Trump
Probably fell and hit his head just right
.the gateway pundit/2026/03/cheerleading-magnate conservative publisher jeff webb dies
Of course a good man , great business leader and friend of Charlie Kirk and Trump
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Every guy of a certain vintage will really enjoy "The Fluid Coupling" video.
Great choice.
Thanks, Weasel!
Great choice.
Thanks, Weasel!
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206 Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:25 PM (m8wiN)
Thanks for the primer on scope eye relief. It is amazing how much complexity there is in simply setting up a rifle to shoot accurately.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 09:31 PM (n9ltV)
For sure. There are a lot of moving parts.
Wait. No.
Thanks for the primer on scope eye relief. It is amazing how much complexity there is in simply setting up a rifle to shoot accurately.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 09:31 PM (n9ltV)
For sure. There are a lot of moving parts.
Wait. No.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:37 PM (GOpmI)
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You bet! I thought it was pretty interesting too.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:32 PM (m8wiN)
That deuce and a half in the film looks like an M211. Had a GM six cylinder engine and a Hydramatic. And the early Hydramatics used fluid couplings like that, not torque converters. A torque converter looks much like a fluid coupling, but has a third element, called the stator, placed between the pump and the turbine. When the turbine is moving much slower than the pump, the stator redirects oil flow to apply more pressure on the turbine vanes, permitting the turbine to spin slower than the engine, but with greater torque. Hence the name.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:32 PM (m8wiN)
That deuce and a half in the film looks like an M211. Had a GM six cylinder engine and a Hydramatic. And the early Hydramatics used fluid couplings like that, not torque converters. A torque converter looks much like a fluid coupling, but has a third element, called the stator, placed between the pump and the turbine. When the turbine is moving much slower than the pump, the stator redirects oil flow to apply more pressure on the turbine vanes, permitting the turbine to spin slower than the engine, but with greater torque. Hence the name.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2026 09:38 PM (8zz6B)
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We can't carry with HP ammo, but we can own it, have it for home defense, and shoot it at the range.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 09:29 PM (n9ltV)
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At one point there was an exception in the possession law for going to/from training or competition.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 09:29 PM (n9ltV)
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At one point there was an exception in the possession law for going to/from training or competition.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:39 PM (mGFn3)
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Thank you Horde and thank you Weasel.
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Howdy TRex. Good to see you.
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You want to dump energy into the target and not have rounds slip through the skin and exit without making holes in organs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 09:12 PM (xcxpd)
Oof. I started to read an article on expansion and such as to choosing your ammo. It was big on "impacting tissue" via the wound channel. Then he poo-pooed on "energy dump." I stopped reading there.
I thought, "Making a wound channel IS how you dump energy into the target." And, leaving a LOT of it behind is what you should be looking for.
If I have two bullets with the same muzzle energy, and they reach the target with the same energy, but one makes a big hole through the target and the other makes a small hole but expends all its energy and drops out the backside of said target... I'd say they're equal.
(Of course, they won't do that, barring magic. How any bullet will expend its energy is by expanding and colliding with tissue. That naturally leaves a wound channel.)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 22, 2026 09:12 PM (xcxpd)
Oof. I started to read an article on expansion and such as to choosing your ammo. It was big on "impacting tissue" via the wound channel. Then he poo-pooed on "energy dump." I stopped reading there.
I thought, "Making a wound channel IS how you dump energy into the target." And, leaving a LOT of it behind is what you should be looking for.
If I have two bullets with the same muzzle energy, and they reach the target with the same energy, but one makes a big hole through the target and the other makes a small hole but expends all its energy and drops out the backside of said target... I'd say they're equal.
(Of course, they won't do that, barring magic. How any bullet will expend its energy is by expanding and colliding with tissue. That naturally leaves a wound channel.)
Posted by: GWB at March 22, 2026 09:41 PM (RxVz+)
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I've never shot a machine gun, but someone shot one right next to me at an indoor range, so I feel that I got part of the experience, the part where the vibrations go right through your body as though it were transparent. I've only experienced that once before, when a Siberian tiger roared right at me in Las Vegas.
I recommend neither experience.
I recommend neither experience.
Posted by: Splunge at March 22, 2026 09:42 PM (KEowH)
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Amadou Diallo got cops dumping their mags into him as their 9mm fmj simply did not cause him to drop immediately.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 09:24 PM (E4rtv)
That was part of it. But part of the mag dump was because they couldn't hit beans, considering how close they were. They fired a lot more shots than actually hit him.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 09:24 PM (E4rtv)
That was part of it. But part of the mag dump was because they couldn't hit beans, considering how close they were. They fired a lot more shots than actually hit him.
Posted by: GWB at March 22, 2026 09:44 PM (RxVz+)
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At one point there was an exception in the possession law for going to/from training or competition.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:39 PM (mGFn3)
Yes, there still is.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:39 PM (mGFn3)
Yes, there still is.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 09:45 PM (n9ltV)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 09:45 PM (n9ltV)
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It's important to note that HPBT rifle bullets are technically hollow points, hence the HP in the name. These aren't defensive rounds but the hollow point is an artifact of the manufacturing process.
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It's important to note that HPBT rifle bullets are technically hollow points, hence the HP in the name. These aren't defensive rounds but the hollow point is an artifact of the manufacturing process.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:48 PM (mGFn3)
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It's important to note that HPBT rifle bullets are technically hollow points, hence the HP in the name. These aren't defensive rounds but the hollow point is an artifact of the manufacturing process.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:48 PM (mGFn3)
Please don't give the NJ State Police any ideas!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:48 PM (mGFn3)
Please don't give the NJ State Police any ideas!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 09:50 PM (n9ltV)
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That was part of it. But part of the mag dump was because they couldn't hit beans, considering how close they were. They fired a lot more shots than actually hit him.
Posted by: GWB
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Diallou brought it up to the public's mind when there was an extensive investigation into that particular shooting. The whole fiasco began earlier under the Lindsay administration when effective hollowpoint bullets first became available (Super Vel and others)
Jim Cirillo was frustrated because he spent a lot of time crafting bullets and reloading at home--one design looked a lot like the Lehigh bullets sold today.
Posted by: GWB
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Diallou brought it up to the public's mind when there was an extensive investigation into that particular shooting. The whole fiasco began earlier under the Lindsay administration when effective hollowpoint bullets first became available (Super Vel and others)
Jim Cirillo was frustrated because he spent a lot of time crafting bullets and reloading at home--one design looked a lot like the Lehigh bullets sold today.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 09:50 PM (E4rtv)
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Almost Doof time!
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:52 PM (mGFn3)
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It's important to note that HPBT rifle bullets are technically hollow points, hence the HP in the name. These aren't defensive rounds but the hollow point is an artifact of the manufacturing process.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:48 PM (mGFn3)
Query whether NJ finds them unlawful. Guess I’d have to look at the statute. And/or stay the hell out of NJ.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:48 PM (mGFn3)
Query whether NJ finds them unlawful. Guess I’d have to look at the statute. And/or stay the hell out of NJ.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:53 PM (GOpmI)
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I've never shot a machine gun, but someone shot one right next to me at an indoor range, so I feel that I got part of the experience, the part where the vibrations go right through your body as though it were transparent. I've only experienced that once before, when a Siberian tiger roared right at me in Las Vegas.
I recommend neither experience.
Posted by: Splunge
Duuuuude. Do yourself a super huge favor. Find a range where you can rent the experience of firing a Vietnam vintage U.S. M60 weapon. O.M.G.
You'll never forget your first time.
*I just had a flashback to U.S. Army BCT complete with the deuce and a half turbo whistle, diesel exhaust, and moldy GP Medium tent smell*
I've never shot a machine gun, but someone shot one right next to me at an indoor range, so I feel that I got part of the experience, the part where the vibrations go right through your body as though it were transparent. I've only experienced that once before, when a Siberian tiger roared right at me in Las Vegas.
I recommend neither experience.
Posted by: Splunge
Duuuuude. Do yourself a super huge favor. Find a range where you can rent the experience of firing a Vietnam vintage U.S. M60 weapon. O.M.G.
You'll never forget your first time.
*I just had a flashback to U.S. Army BCT complete with the deuce and a half turbo whistle, diesel exhaust, and moldy GP Medium tent smell*
Posted by: BifBewalski - at March 22, 2026 09:53 PM (QVmho)
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Query whether NJ finds them unlawful. Guess I’d have to look at the statute. And/or stay the hell out of NJ.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:53 PM (GOpmI)
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You could conceivably get jammed up in the process of proving yourself innocent. Just something to be aware of I suppose.
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2026 09:53 PM (GOpmI)
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You could conceivably get jammed up in the process of proving yourself innocent. Just something to be aware of I suppose.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:55 PM (mGFn3)
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D -4 min
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:56 PM (mGFn3)
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Not true. We can't carry with HP ammo, but we can own it, have it for home defense, and shoot it at the range.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Someone traveling through is not someone that can claim home defense nor shooting it at a range. It is a kafka trap and good reason to avoid the state if traveling with firearms for self defense even relying on FOPA.
Ditto if you had to make a stop at Newark via air travel with a self defensive arm and magazines loaded with hollowpoints.
It is always best to plan for worst case legal scenario when traveling than the best with firearms.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Someone traveling through is not someone that can claim home defense nor shooting it at a range. It is a kafka trap and good reason to avoid the state if traveling with firearms for self defense even relying on FOPA.
Ditto if you had to make a stop at Newark via air travel with a self defensive arm and magazines loaded with hollowpoints.
It is always best to plan for worst case legal scenario when traveling than the best with firearms.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2026 09:57 PM (E4rtv)
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Thanks, again, Weasel.
Posted by: GWB at March 22, 2026 09:57 PM (RxVz+)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:58 PM (mGFn3)
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You could conceivably get jammed up in the process of proving yourself innocent. Just something to be aware of I suppose.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:55 PM (mGFn3)
Absolutely. NJ is a master at making the process the punishment.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2026 09:55 PM (mGFn3)
Absolutely. NJ is a master at making the process the punishment.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2026 09:59 PM (n9ltV)
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Query whether NJ finds them unlawful. Guess I’d have to look at the statute. And/or stay the hell out of NJ.
Posted by: RI Red
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Statute is primarily aimed at self defense ammo with some carveouts as CBD noted but that does not cause bail bond refunds, etc. if some cop decides to give you a bad day.
4th degree felony which would in fact bar you from firearm possession and purchase if convicted.
If you absolutely had to go through New Jersey on a car trip or via airline stop to somewhere else in New England with defensive arms, then I would suggest shipping the ammo and firearms to an FFL at your destination. Yeah, hassle, costs, and fees, but far cheaper than any criminal attorney would charge if things went pear shape.
NYC is bad about such matters too. Cottage industry in potting travelers passing through or unfortunately enough to be delayed at airports on transfers.
Given how I now hate to travel and view airlines as a seedier version of Greyhound busses when I was a yute, no reason for me to go through that shit. I will only travel to and from places that have reasonable firearm laws.
Posted by: RI Red
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Statute is primarily aimed at self defense ammo with some carveouts as CBD noted but that does not cause bail bond refunds, etc. if some cop decides to give you a bad day.
4th degree felony which would in fact bar you from firearm possession and purchase if convicted.
If you absolutely had to go through New Jersey on a car trip or via airline stop to somewhere else in New England with defensive arms, then I would suggest shipping the ammo and firearms to an FFL at your destination. Yeah, hassle, costs, and fees, but far cheaper than any criminal attorney would charge if things went pear shape.
NYC is bad about such matters too. Cottage industry in potting travelers passing through or unfortunately enough to be delayed at airports on transfers.
Given how I now hate to travel and view airlines as a seedier version of Greyhound busses when I was a yute, no reason for me to go through that shit. I will only travel to and from places that have reasonable firearm laws.
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OnT is nood.
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Doof? Mr. Doof? Mr. Doof to the white courtesy phone.
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Thanks RIRed and Weasel!
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