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Gun Thread: First February Edition!
FUNdamentals So what are you doing fundamentals-wise to keep in practice? Going to an indoor range? Practicing dry fire at home? Skills are perishable, so it's probably a good idea to do something during the off season. Please let us know how you're staying sharp in the comments.
$700 vs. $2,000 AR
CMP - Philippine Return Garands
44 Magnum Six rounds in 1 second with our pal 'Jer'!
Whoopsie-Doodle!
Ax Weasel Q: Weasel, what is life like on a modern farm?
A: See below
Our Pal Frequency Modulation
FSJ and Gertie Protest Winter
Highway Patrol! This week's episode: Desert Town
War Between The Planets! Holy Crap!
A "cedar" note is one of the most common flavor elements described for premium cigars. With good reason, it's a feature of many. But like most flavor notes, it usually eludes me. Finally I came across a stick where the cedar is clear and predominant. The La Palina Red Label is a nice looking medium brown cigar with an Ecuadorean sun grown wrapper around Nicaragua and Dominican fillers. Draw on these toros I smoked was perfect. Body was definitely medium, very smooth. Lots of smoke, burn line didn't require constant management. Cedar predominated throughout for me. Many reviewers find nuttiness and spice as well - I'd say subtle elements of those probably added to the overall flavor at various points. A nice thing about the Red Label is the cost. Definitely a good value proposition, with this quality. These toros can be found online for $4.50 and up, just above a bundle style price but well below most cigar prices these days, which seem finally to have jumped a bit after holding fairly steady through our recent, ruinous Inflation-o-rama.Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!
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Nicks Cigar World New! A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!
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First?????
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 01, 2026 07:00 PM (ldgW6)
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bang
Posted by: Eromero at February 01, 2026 07:00 PM (LHPAg)
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Congrats Scoob!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at February 01, 2026 07:00 PM (v23vE)
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Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 01, 2026 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2026 07:01 PM (Ia/+0)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 01, 2026 07:03 PM (Wnv9h)
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Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special Good Dog Dad Award and greeting to our host Weasel. FSJ and Gertie look so comfy in the Cozy Caves, I would just curl up between them, even knowing they'd eviscerate me in seconds for having done so.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at February 01, 2026 07:03 PM (v23vE)
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Hello, Weasel! No range time this week. Spent a lot of time chipping my way through the ice on my driveway.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 07:04 PM (BCwQW)
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How is Our Friend Cesium doing?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 01, 2026 07:05 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 01, 2026 07:06 PM (2WIwB)
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My indoor range is down for major maintenance, and of course it is behind schedule.
It is just too damned cold to shoot for long at my outdoor range. 20 minutes and I am done!
It is just too damned cold to shoot for long at my outdoor range. 20 minutes and I am done!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2026 07:06 PM (n9ltV)
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FSG and Gertie are reading my mind, and it's not even snowing here.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 01, 2026 07:06 PM (2WIwB)
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Ok, no range report.
I received the new rings that were suggested by Farrell along with the base they said would fit on my rifle.
So since my car is still plowed in a week after the storm I went to install everything to mount the scope to find..........it does not work. The scope still cannot be mounted as the objective bell hits the top of the rifle before it can be seated in the rings.
And the base cannot be attached to my rifle.
So I am glad I purchased back up rings that were made by NightForce. With those I was able to mount the scope.
I will take some pics and send them into Weasel so you can see the finished product.
I am still waiting to get the magazines from the gun store. The mags that came with the rifle hold 10 rounds. NYC has set a limit of only 5 rounds for a rifle, even a bolt action. So I have to wait for the magazines to be pinned to only hold 5 rounds.
Of course, once the snow clears and the weather improves I will take the rifle to the range to zero the scope.
Can't wait to take it up to NH to see how well it shoots.
I received the new rings that were suggested by Farrell along with the base they said would fit on my rifle.
So since my car is still plowed in a week after the storm I went to install everything to mount the scope to find..........it does not work. The scope still cannot be mounted as the objective bell hits the top of the rifle before it can be seated in the rings.
And the base cannot be attached to my rifle.
So I am glad I purchased back up rings that were made by NightForce. With those I was able to mount the scope.
I will take some pics and send them into Weasel so you can see the finished product.
I am still waiting to get the magazines from the gun store. The mags that came with the rifle hold 10 rounds. NYC has set a limit of only 5 rounds for a rifle, even a bolt action. So I have to wait for the magazines to be pinned to only hold 5 rounds.
Of course, once the snow clears and the weather improves I will take the rifle to the range to zero the scope.
Can't wait to take it up to NH to see how well it shoots.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 01, 2026 07:09 PM (ldgW6)
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My chiweenie puppy can relate to FSJ and Gertie. Though she must have some retriever in there somewhere. I never had a pup hat was so obsessed with go fetch
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 07:09 PM (GTqXr)
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Hi weasel! Thanks for the thread!
Took the Walther PPQ out yesterday. I love that pistol. The trigger is butter. Shot very well. Focused on sight alignment and trigger pull and I put a lot of rounds through the same hole.
MAE brought a single shot rifle in .556. So fun.
Took the Walther PPQ out yesterday. I love that pistol. The trigger is butter. Shot very well. Focused on sight alignment and trigger pull and I put a lot of rounds through the same hole.
MAE brought a single shot rifle in .556. So fun.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 07:09 PM (IhIKR)
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Rhomboid,
Great review. I'm making my order now!
Posted by: Diogenes at February 01, 2026 07:06 PM (2WIwB)
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Better hurry! Only one box of Gordos left at Pipes and Cigars!
Great review. I'm making my order now!
Posted by: Diogenes at February 01, 2026 07:06 PM (2WIwB)
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Better hurry! Only one box of Gordos left at Pipes and Cigars!
Posted by: mrp at February 01, 2026 07:10 PM (rj6Yv)
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Howdy! 🐱
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at February 01, 2026 07:11 PM (sAmhv)
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Damn, FSJ and Gertie look damn comfortable. I am jealous.
Time to look up human sized cozy caves. :-)
Or finally make the decision and move somewhere warmer!!!!!
Will know better near the end of February.
Time to look up human sized cozy caves. :-)
Or finally make the decision and move somewhere warmer!!!!!
Will know better near the end of February.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 01, 2026 07:12 PM (ldgW6)
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11 It is just too damned cold to shoot for long at my outdoor range. 20 minutes and I am done!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2026 07:06 PM
Right!?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2026 07:06 PM
Right!?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 01, 2026 07:13 PM (ldgW6)
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Dry fire practice? There went the secret. Oh well.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at February 01, 2026 07:14 PM (YlWIZ)
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I am really tempted by all the hype I am seeing for 7mm PRC. Caliber Creep is real but it seems like the cartridge of the future.
Or the next couple of years at least.
Or the next couple of years at least.
Posted by: Pete Bog at February 01, 2026 07:15 PM (Rmwng)
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15 minutes in and I had to call the otters.
Posted by: clarence at February 01, 2026 07:18 PM (6L3LN)
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On a whim I just checked the price of cartridges in 7 PRC. I will wait a bit longer.
Posted by: Pete Bog at February 01, 2026 07:20 PM (Rmwng)
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Sic FSJ and Gertie on the groundhog!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 01, 2026 07:21 PM (Cqx++)
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Oh, dear. One month into 2026, I’m late and my PR takes a hit.
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 07:21 PM (UqAH7)
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Took the Walther PPQ out yesterday. I love that pistol. The trigger is butter. Shot very well. Focused on sight alignment and trigger pull and I put a lot of rounds through the same hole.
MAE brought a single shot rifle in .556. So fun.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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May or may not know this,
Was digging up some other information on Walthers and found out that the P99 and the PPQ actually share some parts like sights, etc. PPQ was developed from the earlier P99 as a sporting pistol versus a service pistol.
MAE brought a single shot rifle in .556. So fun.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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May or may not know this,
Was digging up some other information on Walthers and found out that the P99 and the PPQ actually share some parts like sights, etc. PPQ was developed from the earlier P99 as a sporting pistol versus a service pistol.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:23 PM (2swu2)
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24 Sic FSJ and Gertie on the groundhog!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 01, 2026 07:21 PM
NO!!!!!! that will chase him back into his hole and give us 6 more weeks of winter!!!!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 01, 2026 07:21 PM
NO!!!!!! that will chase him back into his hole and give us 6 more weeks of winter!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 01, 2026 07:23 PM (ldgW6)
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 07:23 PM (nNjWE)
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 07:23 PM (IhIKR)
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New design for safe revolver dry firing. Safesnap is a plastic disk that goes between the back of the cylinder and the cylinder shroud at the back of the revolver. Designed for dry firing without having to have snap caps. (Those are still useful for practicing reloads) which the Safesnap is only designed for dry firing protection of the firing pin. Cheap enough.
https://zetasix.com/product/safesnap-6/
https://zetasix.com/product/safesnap-6/
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:26 PM (2swu2)
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29 It was warmer in Seattle than most of Florida today.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 07:23 PM
One day out how many?
Nah, will retire down to my home State which has a sane government and more bikini clad bods.
And better gun laws. :-)
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 07:23 PM
One day out how many?
Nah, will retire down to my home State which has a sane government and more bikini clad bods.
And better gun laws. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 01, 2026 07:28 PM (ldgW6)
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And my comment went into self-regeneration.
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 07:28 PM (nNjWE)
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32 And my comment went into self-regeneration.
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 07:28 PM
I think your PR is ok.
15 minutes in and people were still posting on the food thread.
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 07:28 PM
I think your PR is ok.
15 minutes in and people were still posting on the food thread.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 01, 2026 07:29 PM (ldgW6)
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On AR-15s, if they don't come with it, I swap out the pistol grip for one made by Magpul that has a storage compartment built in. Then I get a Magpul oil bottle that is made to fit into the grip, fill the bottle with CLP, put it in the grip, and forget about it until I need it.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 07:29 PM (BSxnY)
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Thank you for the gub thread, Weasel - always a great read!
Posted by: 496 at February 01, 2026 07:29 PM (t+VLa)
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23 On a whim I just checked the price of cartridges in 7 PRC. I will wait a bit longer.
Posted by: Pete Bog
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Specialty cartridge prices are always high which is why, in part, we have so many of them. Better margin for the ammo makers and a new cartridge always creates some demand for a new rifle to shoot it in.
That dynamic is why I quit subscribing to gun mags as I got tired of the emphasis on new cartridges and firearms and much less on training and fundamentals (and reloading).
Posted by: Pete Bog
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Specialty cartridge prices are always high which is why, in part, we have so many of them. Better margin for the ammo makers and a new cartridge always creates some demand for a new rifle to shoot it in.
That dynamic is why I quit subscribing to gun mags as I got tired of the emphasis on new cartridges and firearms and much less on training and fundamentals (and reloading).
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:31 PM (2swu2)
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34 On AR-15s, if they don't come with it, I swap out the pistol grip for one made by Magpul that has a storage compartment built in. Then I get a Magpul oil bottle that is made to fit into the grip, fill the bottle with CLP, put it in the grip, and forget about it until I need it.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 07:29 PM (BSxnY)
BoreSnake.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 07:29 PM (BSxnY)
BoreSnake.
Posted by: Eromero at February 01, 2026 07:31 PM (LHPAg)
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15 minutes in and people were still posting on the food thread.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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I fix dinner during the food thread so only rarely participate on that thread.
Pork Masala, Focaccia, mixed green salad with balsamic vinagrette, and scalloped potatoes tonight.
Wife had to help with prep as my hand strength has waned.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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I fix dinner during the food thread so only rarely participate on that thread.
Pork Masala, Focaccia, mixed green salad with balsamic vinagrette, and scalloped potatoes tonight.
Wife had to help with prep as my hand strength has waned.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:34 PM (2swu2)
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Specialty cartridge prices are always high which is why, in part, we have so many of them. Better margin for the ammo makers and a new cartridge always creates some demand for a new rifle to shoot it in.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:31 PM (2swu2)
You're talking about me, aren't you?
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:31 PM (2swu2)
You're talking about me, aren't you?
Posted by: .30 Super Carry at February 01, 2026 07:34 PM (v23vE)
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Thanks Diogenes. I have sampled a lot of La Palina’s line and found nothing bad, several good ones. Really a budget-friendly line overall, so value proposition is good.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 01, 2026 07:35 PM (L+MB1)
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It was warmer in Seattle than most of Florida today.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 07:23 PM (IhIKR)
Little known weather fact Seattle is typically warmer and drier than Florida in the winter months.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 07:23 PM (IhIKR)
Little known weather fact Seattle is typically warmer and drier than Florida in the winter months.
Posted by: Seattle Realtor at February 01, 2026 07:35 PM (Rmwng)
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Top30?
Went out for end of season muzzle loader yesterday. 9 degrees, hard crust snow (no sneaking)
So, sat out and watched the sun come up over the icy fields
Had a ballistic unload and the gun went bang on command and I hit the leaf I was aiming for so…
Have a great week, GunHorde and thank you Weasel for great content and a great community
Went out for end of season muzzle loader yesterday. 9 degrees, hard crust snow (no sneaking)
So, sat out and watched the sun come up over the icy fields
Had a ballistic unload and the gun went bang on command and I hit the leaf I was aiming for so…
Have a great week, GunHorde and thank you Weasel for great content and a great community
Posted by: Coelacanth at February 01, 2026 07:36 PM (DJPFk)
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Seattle has its other falts
Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2026 07:38 PM (Ia/+0)
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BoreSnake.
Posted by: Eromero
I use those on pistols or shotties but not rifles anymore, Otis Technologies ripcord is a rubber coated steel cable with a cleaning section is why.
A boresnake cleaning portion (the area with bristles) is a PITA to remove if the cord breaks in a rifled barrel.
Posted by: Eromero
I use those on pistols or shotties but not rifles anymore, Otis Technologies ripcord is a rubber coated steel cable with a cleaning section is why.
A boresnake cleaning portion (the area with bristles) is a PITA to remove if the cord breaks in a rifled barrel.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:38 PM (2swu2)
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Specialty cartridge prices are always high which is why, in part, we have so many of them. Better margin for the ammo makers and a new cartridge always creates some demand for a new rifle to shoot it in.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:31 PM (2swu2)
I tried to limit my logistics chain to 5.56mm NATO for a long time, but I've started to slip in the last few years. I added .300 Blackout a couple of years ago and more recently, 7.62mm NATO/.308. Shiny new toys proved too tempting, unfortunately.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:31 PM (2swu2)
I tried to limit my logistics chain to 5.56mm NATO for a long time, but I've started to slip in the last few years. I added .300 Blackout a couple of years ago and more recently, 7.62mm NATO/.308. Shiny new toys proved too tempting, unfortunately.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 07:39 PM (BCwQW)
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it has been a crazy winter for weather. the farm community around here gets pretty cranky when we don't have snow early but not too early, and that sticks around to cover the winter wheat. This year's crop is apparently a near total loss.
55 degrees here today in Northern Wyoming. About 25-30 degrees above average. Funny that no one in the national media has mentioned globull warming.
55 degrees here today in Northern Wyoming. About 25-30 degrees above average. Funny that no one in the national media has mentioned globull warming.
Posted by: Pete Bog at February 01, 2026 07:41 PM (Rmwng)
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We are supposed to have a day (Friday, I think) at 40 next week. Looking forward to it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 07:42 PM (zZu0s)
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You're talking about me, aren't you?
Posted by: .30 Super Carry
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Good example. The other is a 327 Magnum.
A downloaded 9mm has about the same recoil as a 30 Super Carry, and the 327 Magnum has most of the recoil and noise of a 357 without the cheaper ammo (and easy to load 357 down as well).
If there was a lever action widely available for 327 Magnum, that would be a useful replacement for the old 32-40 rifle rounds. And the 327 should do fine in longer barrels for hunting. Yet, most of the revolvers sold in 327 magnum were short barrels which wastes much of the goodness of a magnum in the first place.
Posted by: .30 Super Carry
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Good example. The other is a 327 Magnum.
A downloaded 9mm has about the same recoil as a 30 Super Carry, and the 327 Magnum has most of the recoil and noise of a 357 without the cheaper ammo (and easy to load 357 down as well).
If there was a lever action widely available for 327 Magnum, that would be a useful replacement for the old 32-40 rifle rounds. And the 327 should do fine in longer barrels for hunting. Yet, most of the revolvers sold in 327 magnum were short barrels which wastes much of the goodness of a magnum in the first place.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:42 PM (2swu2)
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Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 01, 2026 07:43 PM (NlEaG)
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Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:38 PM (2swu2)
+1 on the Otis ripcord. I used one during my Afghanistan deployment in 2011-12. I thought it did better than the old school GI cleaning rods. The Otis ripcord is lighter, easier to pack away, and won't get bent out of shape.
+1 on the Otis ripcord. I used one during my Afghanistan deployment in 2011-12. I thought it did better than the old school GI cleaning rods. The Otis ripcord is lighter, easier to pack away, and won't get bent out of shape.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 07:44 PM (BCwQW)
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Another beautiful 80 degree day, pool was great, inching back to my old minimum (2,000 yds).
Finishing a Alec&Bradley Kintsugi on the porch.
Alas prosperity doth best discover vice, as Francis Bacon noted, so haven’t been to the range since duty day. However did load up 100 rounds of M1 food, and fixiin’ to do a bit of 30 carbine and then a crap ton of 9mikemike.
And no relief in sight. Cold snap tomorrow down to 72 but back to the 80s thereafter..
Finishing a Alec&Bradley Kintsugi on the porch.
Alas prosperity doth best discover vice, as Francis Bacon noted, so haven’t been to the range since duty day. However did load up 100 rounds of M1 food, and fixiin’ to do a bit of 30 carbine and then a crap ton of 9mikemike.
And no relief in sight. Cold snap tomorrow down to 72 but back to the 80s thereafter..
Posted by: rhomboid at February 01, 2026 07:45 PM (L+MB1)
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I agree with Gertie and FSJ about this winter. My favorite sweater is getting a good workout the last two months.
Posted by: JTB at February 01, 2026 07:45 PM (yTvNw)
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42 Posted by: Coelacanth at February 01, 2026 07:36 PM
I can imagine how much fun muzzle loaders can be.
I can imagine how much fun muzzle loaders can be.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 01, 2026 07:46 PM (ldgW6)
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I tried to limit my logistics chain to 5.56mm NATO for a long time, but I've started to slip in the last few years. I added .300 Blackout a couple of years ago and more recently, 7.62mm NATO/.308. Shiny new toys proved too tempting, unfortunately.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 07:39 PM (BCwQW)
I feel your pain.
The fight against caliber creep is a losing battle.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 07:39 PM (BCwQW)
I feel your pain.
The fight against caliber creep is a losing battle.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 01, 2026 07:47 PM (NlEaG)
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51 And no relief in sight. Cold snap tomorrow down to 72 but back to the 80s thereafter..
Posted by: rhomboid at February 01, 2026 07:45 PM
Grrrrrrrrrrrr
Posted by: rhomboid at February 01, 2026 07:45 PM
Grrrrrrrrrrrr
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 01, 2026 07:49 PM (ldgW6)
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Well don't be stingy, send warmer weather east. See nothing for next week here
Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2026 07:51 PM (Ia/+0)
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I tried to limit my logistics chain to 5.56mm NATO for a long time, but I've started to slip in the last few years. I added .300 Blackout a couple of years ago and more recently, 7.62mm NATO/.308. Shiny new toys proved too tempting, unfortunately.
Posted by: Ed L
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I resolutely avoided the 300 Blackout as it is a good short range cartridge. Sort of like an upgraded 30 Carbine with a better bullet and AR frame.
But I already have the 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel in uppers.
And most importantly, I reloaded for pretty large number of cartridges and you start to worry about some cartridges like the 300 Blackout being able to be chambered in a 5.56 and doing a rapid disassembly.
So, I buy only cartridges that cannot unsafely be chambered in a rifle chambered for another cartridge. If you dig around on the internets, there is actually a list floating around of beware these particular cartridges and chambers. The classic example is the 38 Super and the 38 ACP. But others exist, some are not that dangerous but embarrassing, (40 S&W in a 45 ACP for example).
Posted by: Ed L
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I resolutely avoided the 300 Blackout as it is a good short range cartridge. Sort of like an upgraded 30 Carbine with a better bullet and AR frame.
But I already have the 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel in uppers.
And most importantly, I reloaded for pretty large number of cartridges and you start to worry about some cartridges like the 300 Blackout being able to be chambered in a 5.56 and doing a rapid disassembly.
So, I buy only cartridges that cannot unsafely be chambered in a rifle chambered for another cartridge. If you dig around on the internets, there is actually a list floating around of beware these particular cartridges and chambers. The classic example is the 38 Super and the 38 ACP. But others exist, some are not that dangerous but embarrassing, (40 S&W in a 45 ACP for example).
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:51 PM (2swu2)
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I usually shoot year-round. It’s been so cold that I think my round count in January was 3 rounds of .45 ACP.
I has sadz.
I has sadz.
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 07:51 PM (nNjWE)
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The annoying and amazing thing about Jerry Michulek isn't his speed. It's his speed and accuracy.
I tried moving my index finger to match his while watching the video. Even without recoil, I can't keep up. Not a surprise.
I tried moving my index finger to match his while watching the video. Even without recoil, I can't keep up. Not a surprise.
Posted by: JTB at February 01, 2026 07:52 PM (yTvNw)
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+1 on the Otis ripcord. I used one during my Afghanistan deployment in 2011-12. I thought it did better than the old school GI cleaning rods. The Otis ripcord is lighter, easier to pack away, and won't get bent out of shape.
Posted by: Ed L
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Otis makes damn good stuff, I have never had an Otis component fail. Can't say the same for other gun cleaning tools.
Posted by: Ed L
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Otis makes damn good stuff, I have never had an Otis component fail. Can't say the same for other gun cleaning tools.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:52 PM (2swu2)
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Driving through NC stopped at a gas station and on the parking bollards they had advertising posters. I saw an ad for rum cake. Oooh - rum cake!
I looked more closely - the rum cake was a flavor for a cigar!
That should be a good cigar, right?
I looked more closely - the rum cake was a flavor for a cigar!
That should be a good cigar, right?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 01, 2026 07:53 PM (NlEaG)
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58 I usually shoot year-round. It’s been so cold that I think my round count in January was 3 rounds of .45 ACP.
I has sadz.
Posted by: RI Red
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Sorry, wish y'all get a warmup soon.
I has sadz.
Posted by: RI Red
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Sorry, wish y'all get a warmup soon.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:53 PM (2swu2)
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Tonight's Highway Patrol was deeper than the usual shoot-em-up action. Matthews/Broderick Crawford had to walk away knowing that he'd done his job, but wondering if he'd done the right thing.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at February 01, 2026 07:53 PM (v23vE)
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Here is the SAAMI list of unsafe firearm and cartridge combinations. The cartridges listed will chamber in a firearm not designed to fire that particular cartridge with unpredictable results including blowups, out of battery firing, etc.
http://www.saami.org/Unsafe_Combinations.cfm
http://www.saami.org/Unsafe_Combinations.cfm
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:57 PM (2swu2)
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I usually shoot year-round. It’s been so cold that I think my round count in January was 3 rounds of .45 ACP.
I has sadz.
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 07:51 PM
I hear ya. I have yet to rezero the .308 with the new scope.
I has sadz.
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 07:51 PM
I hear ya. I have yet to rezero the .308 with the new scope.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 01, 2026 07:57 PM (Wnv9h)
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I got a Tatiana Classic sampler a while ago. Flavored lanceros.
The chocolate flavor smells like Tootsie rolls, and tastes like peppermint and burnt marshmallow.
And also Tootsie rolls.
It was a fine cigar if you're into that kind of thing.
The chocolate flavor smells like Tootsie rolls, and tastes like peppermint and burnt marshmallow.
And also Tootsie rolls.
It was a fine cigar if you're into that kind of thing.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at February 01, 2026 07:57 PM (C0Nlv)
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I resolutely avoided the 300 Blackout as it is a good short range cartridge.
Ruger has a Mini-14 with a folding stock in 300 BO. Seems like that would be a good candidate for a double-stamp build. Shorten it to 10 or 11 inches and add a supressor. You might have to monkey with the gas system a bit.
Ruger has a Mini-14 with a folding stock in 300 BO. Seems like that would be a good candidate for a double-stamp build. Shorten it to 10 or 11 inches and add a supressor. You might have to monkey with the gas system a bit.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 07:58 PM (Fs0KI)
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Only cold shooting I have done was when I took a day off winter sports in the Sierras and shot my Mosins at the very nice Washoe County range north of Reno. Steel gongs. Snow covered hills, cold ((RSO has heated booth! from which be rules the range). Mosins fell at home, though the gongs were a lame substitute for kraut invaders.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 01, 2026 07:58 PM (L+MB1)
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I've really been enjoying the CAO Brazilia Gol recently.
Seems like a slow night. As long as everyone is nice to one another, go ahead and consider this an open thread. I was wide awake at 2am so I may hit the sack before too long.
Thanks everyone!
Seems like a slow night. As long as everyone is nice to one another, go ahead and consider this an open thread. I was wide awake at 2am so I may hit the sack before too long.
Thanks everyone!
Posted by: Weasel at February 01, 2026 08:00 PM (vt7xw)
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Ruger has a Mini-14 with a folding stock in 300 BO. Seems like that would be a good candidate for a double-stamp build. Shorten it to 10 or 11 inches and add a supressor. You might have to monkey with the gas system a bit.
Posted by: Oddbob
IMHO, the main reasons to get a 300 BO are if you want to fire suppressed using subsonic ammo for maximum quietness and/or you want a very short barrel as the 300 BO can function with as little as 8 or so inch barrels.
The 6.5 Grendel, 5.56, 7.62x39, or the 6.8 SPC require a little longer barrels for good function and minimum blast.
Posted by: Oddbob
IMHO, the main reasons to get a 300 BO are if you want to fire suppressed using subsonic ammo for maximum quietness and/or you want a very short barrel as the 300 BO can function with as little as 8 or so inch barrels.
The 6.5 Grendel, 5.56, 7.62x39, or the 6.8 SPC require a little longer barrels for good function and minimum blast.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:02 PM (2swu2)
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69 Thanks everyone!
Posted by: Weasel at February 01, 2026 08:00 PM
Thank YOU Weasel!!!!
Get some rest.
Posted by: Weasel at February 01, 2026 08:00 PM
Thank YOU Weasel!!!!
Get some rest.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 01, 2026 08:02 PM (ldgW6)
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Good night Weasel. Sleep tight.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:03 PM (2swu2)
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IMHO, the main reasons to get a 300 BO are if you want to fire suppressed using subsonic ammo for maximum quietness...
If I'm being honest, the real reason I want to do it is that it's the kind of gun that would make Diane Feinstein sh*t her pants.
If I'm being honest, the real reason I want to do it is that it's the kind of gun that would make Diane Feinstein sh*t her pants.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 08:05 PM (Fs0KI)
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Sent youngest daughter to the range on Wednesday with 100 rounds of .22 lr. She gave me back zero rounds of ammo.
She was also quite proud to show me her paper - which was absolutely shredded in the center mass target zones.
I may have reached the point where I will have my wife and daughter shoot the weapons in a SHTF situation, while I am only in charge of re-loading, clearing jams, and carrying heavy objects.
She was also quite proud to show me her paper - which was absolutely shredded in the center mass target zones.
I may have reached the point where I will have my wife and daughter shoot the weapons in a SHTF situation, while I am only in charge of re-loading, clearing jams, and carrying heavy objects.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 01, 2026 08:06 PM (HlyYF)
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I resolutely avoided the 300 Blackout as it is a good short range cartridge. Sort of like an upgraded 30 Carbine with a better bullet and AR frame.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:51 PM (2swu2)
I picked up .300 Blackout because I had an opportunity to pick up a B&T SPR 300 Pro, an integrally suppressed bolt action rifle for use out to about 200 meters max. The DMV MGC members who've had some trigger time on the rifle will say that B&T isn't kidding when they say it's one of the quietest suppressed centerfire rifles available. But all that doesn't change the fact that caliber creep was one of the downsides of that purchase.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:51 PM (2swu2)
I picked up .300 Blackout because I had an opportunity to pick up a B&T SPR 300 Pro, an integrally suppressed bolt action rifle for use out to about 200 meters max. The DMV MGC members who've had some trigger time on the rifle will say that B&T isn't kidding when they say it's one of the quietest suppressed centerfire rifles available. But all that doesn't change the fact that caliber creep was one of the downsides of that purchase.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 08:06 PM (BCwQW)
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If you dig around on the internets, there is actually a list floating around of beware these particular cartridges and chambers. The classic example is the 38 Super and the 38 ACP. But others exist, some are not that dangerous but embarrassing, (40 S&W in a 45 ACP for example).
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:51 PM (2swu2)
And sometimes the manufacturers step on their own... I mean, foul up. Several years ago, Federal give us the 9mm Federal, basically a rimmed 9mm Luger. Purpose was to give 9mm ballistics in a revolver, without having to fiddle with moon clips or bizarre extractor systems. Then somebody realized this high pressure round would easily fit into antique .38 top break revolvers.
When the .30 Super Carry was announced, the first thing I checked was would it fit into 7.65 French Long autoloaders. I think it is just a little too fat to chamber.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 07:51 PM (2swu2)
And sometimes the manufacturers step on their own... I mean, foul up. Several years ago, Federal give us the 9mm Federal, basically a rimmed 9mm Luger. Purpose was to give 9mm ballistics in a revolver, without having to fiddle with moon clips or bizarre extractor systems. Then somebody realized this high pressure round would easily fit into antique .38 top break revolvers.
When the .30 Super Carry was announced, the first thing I checked was would it fit into 7.65 French Long autoloaders. I think it is just a little too fat to chamber.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 08:07 PM (BSxnY)
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I looked more closely - the rum cake was a flavor for a cigar!
That should be a good cigar, right?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 01, 2026 07:53 PM
Did Swisher Sweets ever dabble in rum cake?
That should be a good cigar, right?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 01, 2026 07:53 PM
Did Swisher Sweets ever dabble in rum cake?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 01, 2026 08:07 PM (HlyYF)
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If I'm being honest, the real reason I want to do it is that it's the kind of gun that would make Diane Feinstein sh*t her pants.
Posted by: Oddbob
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It's why I built several alternate cartridge ARs at the end of the Obammy years, just because I could. I built an AR-10 for myself. Now can't fire any of them for awhile due to deteriorating back and impending surgery to fix up that. Probably a year after that before I can shoot moderate recoiling firearms again.
Posted by: Oddbob
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It's why I built several alternate cartridge ARs at the end of the Obammy years, just because I could. I built an AR-10 for myself. Now can't fire any of them for awhile due to deteriorating back and impending surgery to fix up that. Probably a year after that before I can shoot moderate recoiling firearms again.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:09 PM (2swu2)
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Did Swisher Sweets ever dabble in rum cake?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
I think they mostly go for fruit flavors these days
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
I think they mostly go for fruit flavors these days
Posted by: FeatherBlade at February 01, 2026 08:09 PM (C0Nlv)
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Thanks, and goodnight, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 08:09 PM (BCwQW)
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Evening Weasel,and Gun Thread patrons. No gun stuff to report, but i did get an auction flyer for an auction later this onth in Payson, that features quite large number of vintage firearms, including some top break revolvers.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 08:10 PM (8zz6B)
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I haven't had a pistol in the house in years. I'm thinking about a compact semi-auto - Walther PPK .32 ACP. Thoughts from the horde?
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 08:12 PM (GTqXr)
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Whelp, the Old Dominion is rapidly becoming the People's Republic of Virginia under Spamburger and the completely captured Legislature. They are hell bent on passing every anti-gun law that has ever been conceived, and probably some nobody ever thought of before. Add to that the fact that there is six inches of solid ice as far as the eye can see, and I think it's finally time to CSMO and head to Sarasota.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 01, 2026 08:12 PM (NjvUd)
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When the .30 Super Carry was announced, the first thing I checked was would it fit into 7.65 French Long autoloaders. I think it is just a little too fat to chamber.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
And yet people around the US mainly persist in pounding a square cartridge into a round chamber.
I had a good friend who is a gunsmith out of a family of gunsmiths and their tales will scare the hell out of you that these idiots are out there walking around with firearms without a care. They don't seem to understand that they can be lethal to everyone around them when departing from what is safe. Hold my beer and watch this!!! attitudes and firearms do not mix.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
And yet people around the US mainly persist in pounding a square cartridge into a round chamber.
I had a good friend who is a gunsmith out of a family of gunsmiths and their tales will scare the hell out of you that these idiots are out there walking around with firearms without a care. They don't seem to understand that they can be lethal to everyone around them when departing from what is safe. Hold my beer and watch this!!! attitudes and firearms do not mix.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:13 PM (2swu2)
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Thanks Weasel, stay warm!
Lately, I have found that a Chihuahua on the chest significantly decreases the heat flow from my body to a chilly house.
The dog has also solved the heat flow equation with the same final answer.
Lately, I have found that a Chihuahua on the chest significantly decreases the heat flow from my body to a chilly house.
The dog has also solved the heat flow equation with the same final answer.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 01, 2026 08:14 PM (HlyYF)
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Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 08:07 PM (BSxnY)
When S&W introduced .357 Magnum in 1935, they lengthened the case by 0.1 inch to prevent it from going into revolvers chambered for .38 Special. But they forgot about the still fairly numerous Colt New Army revolvers chambered in .38 Long Colt. The straight wall cylinder chambers in the Colt New Army revolver have no problem chambering .357 Magnum. I've tested this myself on a Colt New Army (using snap caps, obviously). Modern loadings would almost certainly blow up the Colt New Army in your face if you tried it with live .357 Magnums.
When S&W introduced .357 Magnum in 1935, they lengthened the case by 0.1 inch to prevent it from going into revolvers chambered for .38 Special. But they forgot about the still fairly numerous Colt New Army revolvers chambered in .38 Long Colt. The straight wall cylinder chambers in the Colt New Army revolver have no problem chambering .357 Magnum. I've tested this myself on a Colt New Army (using snap caps, obviously). Modern loadings would almost certainly blow up the Colt New Army in your face if you tried it with live .357 Magnums.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 08:15 PM (BCwQW)
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I hear ya. I have yet to rezero the .308 with the new scope.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 01, 2026 07:57 PM (Wnv9h)
At our board meeting this week, we discussed closing the upper range to vehicle traffic this winter. One vehicle went into a ditch and took 3 hours to self-rescue.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 01, 2026 07:57 PM (Wnv9h)
At our board meeting this week, we discussed closing the upper range to vehicle traffic this winter. One vehicle went into a ditch and took 3 hours to self-rescue.
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 08:15 PM (nNjWE)
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>Lately, I have found that a Chihuahua on the chest significantly decreases the heat flow from my body to a chilly house.
The dog has also solved the heat flow equation with the same final answer.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 01, 2026 08:14 PM (HlyYF)
I am currently sandwiched between a chinweenie puppy on my left and a roaring fire on my right; glass of Scotch firmly in hand. Toasty and content.
The dog has also solved the heat flow equation with the same final answer.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 01, 2026 08:14 PM (HlyYF)
I am currently sandwiched between a chinweenie puppy on my left and a roaring fire on my right; glass of Scotch firmly in hand. Toasty and content.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 08:17 PM (GTqXr)
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At our board meeting this week, we discussed closing the upper range to vehicle traffic this winter. One vehicle went into a ditch and took 3 hours to self-rescue.
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 08:15 PM
Yikes.
Posted by: RI Red at February 01, 2026 08:15 PM
Yikes.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 01, 2026 08:18 PM (Wnv9h)
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I haven't had a pistol in the house in years. I'm thinking about a compact semi-auto - Walther PPK .32 ACP. Thoughts from the horde
Opinions are like... well you know. But since you asked...
Rules of Gunfighting:
Rule #1: Bring a gun. Check.
Rule #2: Bring enough gun. IMO, no check.
It's a small step up to a .380 (still marginal IMO but OK with careful ammo selection) and another small step to a sub-compact 9. My EDC for years was a Colt Mustang with Corbons. Now it's a Sig P290 with Hornadys.
Opinions are like... well you know. But since you asked...
Rules of Gunfighting:
Rule #1: Bring a gun. Check.
Rule #2: Bring enough gun. IMO, no check.
It's a small step up to a .380 (still marginal IMO but OK with careful ammo selection) and another small step to a sub-compact 9. My EDC for years was a Colt Mustang with Corbons. Now it's a Sig P290 with Hornadys.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 08:18 PM (Fs0KI)
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Odd, I was thinking today on the drive in that having an entrenching shovel in the car trunk could come in handy.
Times like these I realize I am my Fathers son.
Times like these I realize I am my Fathers son.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 08:19 PM (zZu0s)
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82 I haven't had a pistol in the house in years. I'm thinking about a compact semi-auto - Walther PPK .32 ACP. Thoughts from the horde?
Posted by: Heavy Meta
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Better options out there unless you want to fire suppressed, then get one with a threaded barrel. The PPK/s works well with a suppressor as it is a fixed barrel. CDNN Sports has new ones including those with threaded barrels on sale.
But, the double action is a VERY heavy trigger, the sights aren't great, and it is a very old design. Had one in 380 and it was accurate at 7 yards. But better in a 32 ACP.
If you want a historical pistol, try locating the slightly bigger Walther PP in 32 ACP or the VZ 70 from the Czechoslovakia of the Cold War era.
Posted by: Heavy Meta
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Better options out there unless you want to fire suppressed, then get one with a threaded barrel. The PPK/s works well with a suppressor as it is a fixed barrel. CDNN Sports has new ones including those with threaded barrels on sale.
But, the double action is a VERY heavy trigger, the sights aren't great, and it is a very old design. Had one in 380 and it was accurate at 7 yards. But better in a 32 ACP.
If you want a historical pistol, try locating the slightly bigger Walther PP in 32 ACP or the VZ 70 from the Czechoslovakia of the Cold War era.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:20 PM (2swu2)
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Buddy of mine borrowed a 9mm from me and returned it messed up, telling me it "keeps jamming."
He was feeding .380 ACP through it. I'm surprised it fed/fired at all.
He was feeding .380 ACP through it. I'm surprised it fed/fired at all.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 01, 2026 08:21 PM (BI5O2)
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And if you want a very small hidey hole 32 ACP. Keltec makes one that is probably one of the better designs in that cartridge and certainly one of the most modern. Runs a little over 200 bucks new and all Keltecs do pretty well on reliability and functionality. Just not looks.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:22 PM (2swu2)
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I haven't had a pistol in the house in years. I'm thinking about a compact semi-auto - Walther PPK .32 ACP. Thoughts from the horde?
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 08:12 PM (GTqXr)
Get it NOW. Do not wait any longer! Walther ended production of all PP and PPK variants at the end of last year in order to retool their factory. .32 ACP is perfect for the PPK. It's got mild recoil, easy to control, and unlike .380 ACP versions, it doesn't beat up your hands when you shoot it. It's easily managed one handed. For a couple hundred more, you can get one of "SD" variants that come with a factory threaded barrel in 1/2 by 28. I have both the threaded and unthreaded versions. The unthreaded version is easier to use, but mount the threaded version with a suppressor and you'll get the cool, iconic "007 Special" in looks. Suppressed, the PPK is a ton of fun to shoot as a range toy.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 08:12 PM (GTqXr)
Get it NOW. Do not wait any longer! Walther ended production of all PP and PPK variants at the end of last year in order to retool their factory. .32 ACP is perfect for the PPK. It's got mild recoil, easy to control, and unlike .380 ACP versions, it doesn't beat up your hands when you shoot it. It's easily managed one handed. For a couple hundred more, you can get one of "SD" variants that come with a factory threaded barrel in 1/2 by 28. I have both the threaded and unthreaded versions. The unthreaded version is easier to use, but mount the threaded version with a suppressor and you'll get the cool, iconic "007 Special" in looks. Suppressed, the PPK is a ton of fun to shoot as a range toy.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 08:22 PM (BCwQW)
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Scuba-Dude muzzleloaders are addictive. You can get a decent shooter pretty reasonably. IIRC you’re in a gun unfriendly location - other places you can mail order them. If you have the time and inclination, there are decent kits available.
You will get gear and accessories creep though. I went with a Hawken replica in .54. Lots of fun to shoot and quite accurate.
You will get gear and accessories creep though. I went with a Hawken replica in .54. Lots of fun to shoot and quite accurate.
Posted by: Coelacanth at February 01, 2026 08:23 PM (vt7xw)
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I've tested this myself on a Colt New Army (using snap caps, obviously). Modern loadings would almost certainly blow up the Colt New Army in your face if you tried it with live .357 Magnums.
Posted by: Ed L
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I'd imagine that someone, somewhere, probably did that with Grandpappy's pistol and blew it to smithereens. The only consolation might be that a blown up pistol at arms length is a helluva lot better than a shouldered rifle or shotgun receiver shredding right next to your face from an error.
Posted by: Ed L
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I'd imagine that someone, somewhere, probably did that with Grandpappy's pistol and blew it to smithereens. The only consolation might be that a blown up pistol at arms length is a helluva lot better than a shouldered rifle or shotgun receiver shredding right next to your face from an error.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:24 PM (2swu2)
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Buddy of mine borrowed a 9mm from me and returned it messed up, telling me it "keeps jamming."
He was feeding .380 ACP through it. I'm surprised it fed/fired at all.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
Seen on the internets that 10mm can fire 40S&W as the strong extractor holds the shorter case in place.
On internet so must be true.
He was feeding .380 ACP through it. I'm surprised it fed/fired at all.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
Seen on the internets that 10mm can fire 40S&W as the strong extractor holds the shorter case in place.
On internet so must be true.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 01, 2026 08:28 PM (/lPRQ)
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@horde - thanks for the feedback. Ideally, Mrs. Meta would be comfortable handling said pistol in a pinch. She is not a fan, but is coming around. Hence my leaning toward a compact pistol.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 08:29 PM (GTqXr)
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I haven't had a pistol in the house in years. I'm thinking about a compact semi-auto - Walther PPK .32 ACP. Thoughts from the horde?
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 08:12 PM (GTqXr)
Forgot to add - What's gone out to the distributors is all there'll be for a while. If you want a PPK, you need to move out smartly, because the supply is drying up fast.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 08:12 PM (GTqXr)
Forgot to add - What's gone out to the distributors is all there'll be for a while. If you want a PPK, you need to move out smartly, because the supply is drying up fast.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 08:29 PM (BCwQW)
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These are the various PPs and PPK/s sold new at CDNN Sports right now. Several models already have threaded barrels ready for a suppressor.
https://tinyurl.com/CDNN-Sports-Walther-Sale
The PP is a slightly larger pistol than the PPK/s and the PPK/s is larger than the older PPK. They put a PP grip shank on a PPK slide and frame to make it pass the GCA of 1968 (the one that banned Saturday Night Specials from being imported). Smith and Wesson may have made some PPKs in the US but I am not sure about that.
PP has a longer barrel and longer grip than the PPK and only the longer barrel and slide compared to the PPK/s.
https://tinyurl.com/CDNN-Sports-Walther-Sale
The PP is a slightly larger pistol than the PPK/s and the PPK/s is larger than the older PPK. They put a PP grip shank on a PPK slide and frame to make it pass the GCA of 1968 (the one that banned Saturday Night Specials from being imported). Smith and Wesson may have made some PPKs in the US but I am not sure about that.
PP has a longer barrel and longer grip than the PPK and only the longer barrel and slide compared to the PPK/s.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:29 PM (2swu2)
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>PP has a longer barrel and longer grip than the PPK and only the longer barrel and slide compared to the PPK/s.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:29 PM (2swu2)
Yup - smart military blog indeed. Thanks whig.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:29 PM (2swu2)
Yup - smart military blog indeed. Thanks whig.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 08:31 PM (GTqXr)
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Seen on the internets that 10mm can fire 40S&W as the strong extractor holds the shorter case in place.
On internet so must be true.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
That one is documented. Easier though just to get a another barrel chambered in 40 S&W made for the 10mm pistol so you can shoot 40 S&W out of it if you want. Used to be fairly common for Glock 10mm owners to do that. Can't remember how the mags feed though.
The frame of a 10 mm is overbuilt for the 40 S&W but that is okay.
On internet so must be true.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
That one is documented. Easier though just to get a another barrel chambered in 40 S&W made for the 10mm pistol so you can shoot 40 S&W out of it if you want. Used to be fairly common for Glock 10mm owners to do that. Can't remember how the mags feed though.
The frame of a 10 mm is overbuilt for the 40 S&W but that is okay.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:32 PM (2swu2)
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@horde - thanks for the feedback. Ideally, Mrs. Meta would be comfortable handling said pistol in a pinch. She is not a fan, but is coming around. Hence my leaning toward a compact pistol.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 08:29 PM (GTqXr)
If Sharon and Iris can shoot my PPK in .32 ACP one handed and hit the target at 10 yards, I'm pretty sure Mrs. Meta can too. If you've got the budget, you might want to see if you can get two PPKs - one in .22LR, the other in .32 ACP. That way, you can plink w/ the .22LR.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at February 01, 2026 08:29 PM (GTqXr)
If Sharon and Iris can shoot my PPK in .32 ACP one handed and hit the target at 10 yards, I'm pretty sure Mrs. Meta can too. If you've got the budget, you might want to see if you can get two PPKs - one in .22LR, the other in .32 ACP. That way, you can plink w/ the .22LR.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 08:33 PM (BCwQW)
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I also knew a guy who wrecked a 10ga, when it turned out the old barrel on the gun couldn't take steel shot, and breached, lucky he didn't lose an eye.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 01, 2026 08:33 PM (BI5O2)
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Yup - smart military blog indeed. Thanks whig.
Posted by: Heavy Meta
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You are welcome. The PPK comes from German words Polizeipistole Kriminal. The PPK was designed for detectives while the PP was a police service weapon Polizeipistole without the additional word attached.
First really successful DA/SA design and innovative for its time and for spawning the later P38 German Service pistol.
Posted by: Heavy Meta
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You are welcome. The PPK comes from German words Polizeipistole Kriminal. The PPK was designed for detectives while the PP was a police service weapon Polizeipistole without the additional word attached.
First really successful DA/SA design and innovative for its time and for spawning the later P38 German Service pistol.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:35 PM (2swu2)
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Howdy doo, people of the pew pew.
Found this funny from somewhere this week:
5 Things I learned at the RANGE with my lighter friends
Facebook vid 4:50
https://bit.ly/4tkb0KD
Unrelated and off-topic, I just found this
Meta, YouTube ON TRIAL over social media addiction claims - Fox News
in my extensive YouTube subscriptions (oh, da irony)
Found this funny from somewhere this week:
5 Things I learned at the RANGE with my lighter friends
Facebook vid 4:50
https://bit.ly/4tkb0KD
Unrelated and off-topic, I just found this
Meta, YouTube ON TRIAL over social media addiction claims - Fox News
in my extensive YouTube subscriptions (oh, da irony)
Posted by: mindful webworker - I can quit anytime at February 01, 2026 08:36 PM (j02Vi)
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98 Buddy of mine borrowed a 9mm from me and returned it messed up, telling me it "keeps jamming."
He was feeding .380 ACP through it. I'm surprised it fed/fired at all.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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It will fire in an emergency but you get a failure to extract and eject as the design of the cartridge extraction grooves are different.
Not advisable of course.
He was feeding .380 ACP through it. I'm surprised it fed/fired at all.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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It will fire in an emergency but you get a failure to extract and eject as the design of the cartridge extraction grooves are different.
Not advisable of course.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:37 PM (2swu2)
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Gertie does not look amused!
Getting the spawn a Canik SFX Rival, a Turkish gun I've never heard of before. She is adding center fire to her repertoire. This is starting to get expensive. 😱
Getting the spawn a Canik SFX Rival, a Turkish gun I've never heard of before. She is adding center fire to her repertoire. This is starting to get expensive. 😱
Posted by: lin-duh at February 01, 2026 08:37 PM (VCgbV)
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Making a sound suppressor is as simple as attaching a 16oz water bottle to the end of your muzzle. The loudest thing you'll hear is the 'ping' of your firing pin. Your first shot may be slightly off target.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at February 01, 2026 08:38 PM (oT7pT)
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110 Making a sound suppressor is as simple as attaching a 16oz water bottle to the end of your muzzle. The loudest thing you'll hear is the 'ping' of your firing pin. Your first shot may be slightly off target.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone
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Not advisable to post NFA violations on the gub thread. I think you meant to say after you filled out your form for a self made suppressor and then waited until teh ATF approved it, then you tried this experiment.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone
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Not advisable to post NFA violations on the gub thread. I think you meant to say after you filled out your form for a self made suppressor and then waited until teh ATF approved it, then you tried this experiment.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:40 PM (2swu2)
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109 Gertie does not look amused!
Getting the spawn a Canik SFX Rival, a Turkish gun I've never heard of before. She is adding center fire to her repertoire. This is starting to get expensive. 😱
Posted by: lin-duh
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Canik has developed a niche among competitive shooters and is well regarded.
Getting the spawn a Canik SFX Rival, a Turkish gun I've never heard of before. She is adding center fire to her repertoire. This is starting to get expensive. 😱
Posted by: lin-duh
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Canik has developed a niche among competitive shooters and is well regarded.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:41 PM (2swu2)
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FSJ and Gertie Protest Winter
Awww.....
My sister's cats protest the same way.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 01, 2026 07:03 PM
Even the pets are protesting ICE.
Awww.....
My sister's cats protest the same way.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 01, 2026 07:03 PM
Even the pets are protesting ICE.
Posted by: toby928(c) at February 01, 2026 08:42 PM (jc0TO)
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Canik has developed a niche among competitive shooters and is well regarded.
Posted by: whig
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Good to know because she shoots competitively.
Posted by: whig
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Good to know because she shoots competitively.
Posted by: lin-duh at February 01, 2026 08:42 PM (VCgbV)
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Good to know because she shoots competitively.
Posted by: lin-duh
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Been following her adventures vicariously through your posts. You have to be very proud of her.
But Caniks are well build firearms that are very accurate and reliable. Magazines being a bit pricey is about all to critique them on but that is pretty common nowadays. I suspect gun manufacturers make up some of their profit margin by sales of mags and customization options rather than the base firearm.
Posted by: lin-duh
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Been following her adventures vicariously through your posts. You have to be very proud of her.
But Caniks are well build firearms that are very accurate and reliable. Magazines being a bit pricey is about all to critique them on but that is pretty common nowadays. I suspect gun manufacturers make up some of their profit margin by sales of mags and customization options rather than the base firearm.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:45 PM (2swu2)
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Anybody heard from Hrothgar?
Posted by: Eromero at February 01, 2026 08:46 PM (LHPAg)
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"83 Whelp, the Old Dominion is rapidly becoming the People's Republic of Virginia under Spamburger and the completely captured Legislature. They are hell bent on passing every anti-gun law that has ever been conceived, and probably some nobody ever thought of before. Add to that the fact that there is six inches of solid ice as far as the eye can see, and I think it's finally time to CSMO and head to Sarasota.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 01, 2026 08:12 PM (NjvUd)"
Those still in free states should take notes on what they may need to get in a hurry if the progs take the WH again.
We finally landed in red America after being stuck in a another state crashing and burning, so it is an odd experience to have snagged a lifetime's worth of armory before it was banned, then moving here and having it all in a place it is freely available.
Grandkids will have enough to take over a small third world nation, though.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 01, 2026 08:12 PM (NjvUd)"
Those still in free states should take notes on what they may need to get in a hurry if the progs take the WH again.
We finally landed in red America after being stuck in a another state crashing and burning, so it is an odd experience to have snagged a lifetime's worth of armory before it was banned, then moving here and having it all in a place it is freely available.
Grandkids will have enough to take over a small third world nation, though.
Posted by: heya at February 01, 2026 08:46 PM (nH+RN)
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116 Anybody heard from Hrothgar?
Posted by: Eromero
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I haven't seen him around lately, was he having some issues with weather and such?
Posted by: Eromero
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I haven't seen him around lately, was he having some issues with weather and such?
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:46 PM (2swu2)
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Making a sound suppressor is as simple as attaching a 16oz water bottle to the end of your muzzle. The loudest thing you'll hear is the 'ping' of your firing pin. Your first shot may be slightly off target.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at February 01, 2026 08:38 PM (oT7pT)
I hate to throw cold water on this, but 1) this is violation of the 1934 NFA in that you are making a suppressor w/o registering it w/ BATFE. Ten years at Leavenworth isn't something I'd dismiss lightly. 2) Despite what you see in the movies, this might not work w/ pistols that use the Browning tilting barrel mechanism (1911, High Power, Glocks, most SIGs, etc.). These pistols need a Nielson device in order to function. See the video from the United Health Care CEO getting assassinated for this in action. 3) If you're using a semi-auto pistol, the movement of the slide will still make audible noise. You'd need a locking device on your slide (a la the S&W Mk-22 "Hush Puppy" used by SEAL teams) to keep the slide in place or something like the WWII Welrod, which is a bolt action pistol.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at February 01, 2026 08:38 PM (oT7pT)
I hate to throw cold water on this, but 1) this is violation of the 1934 NFA in that you are making a suppressor w/o registering it w/ BATFE. Ten years at Leavenworth isn't something I'd dismiss lightly. 2) Despite what you see in the movies, this might not work w/ pistols that use the Browning tilting barrel mechanism (1911, High Power, Glocks, most SIGs, etc.). These pistols need a Nielson device in order to function. See the video from the United Health Care CEO getting assassinated for this in action. 3) If you're using a semi-auto pistol, the movement of the slide will still make audible noise. You'd need a locking device on your slide (a la the S&W Mk-22 "Hush Puppy" used by SEAL teams) to keep the slide in place or something like the WWII Welrod, which is a bolt action pistol.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 08:47 PM (BCwQW)
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>>>Not advisable to post NFA violations on the gub thread. I think you meant to say after you filled out your form for a self made suppressor and then waited until teh ATF approved it, then you tried this experiment.
Posted by: whig
>Absolutely correct. We must abide all regulations.
Posted by: whig
>Absolutely correct. We must abide all regulations.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at February 01, 2026 08:47 PM (oT7pT)
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I noted that in the Hickok45 video, he immediately has trouble seating a fully loaded AR magazine into the rifle with a closed bolt. The full stack of cartridges plus the compressed magazine spring doesn't have enough "give" when pressed against the bottom of the bolt. Not a problem if you are on a range where the empty gun sits on the bench with the bolt open until you are given the command to lock and load. A possible problem if that is not the situation you find yourself in.
This is why I only load 28 rounds into my ready magazines. I figure if those 29th and 30th rounds are going to make that much difference, I probably bit off more than I can chew anyway.
This is why I only load 28 rounds into my ready magazines. I figure if those 29th and 30th rounds are going to make that much difference, I probably bit off more than I can chew anyway.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 08:48 PM (BSxnY)
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I think you meant to say after you filled out your form for a self made suppressor and then waited until teh ATF approved it
Saw somewhere the other day that somebody did a Form 1 for a potato and it was approved. His point of course was just to highlight how dumb the rules are.
Saw somewhere the other day that somebody did a Form 1 for a potato and it was approved. His point of course was just to highlight how dumb the rules are.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 08:48 PM (Fs0KI)
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Like a few handguns have the trigger module as the serial numbered component (and the of the pistol parts can be swapped out to yours content) I'd like to see a silencer where the serial number is on the bushing and everything else is mix and match at your convenience.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 01, 2026 08:49 PM (/lPRQ)
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Hrothgar is stuck in the same frozen mess those of us in the DMV have been for the last week. Hopefully he's managed to get his driveway cleared by now.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 08:49 PM (BCwQW)
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Saw somewhere the other day that somebody did a Form 1 for a potato and it was approved. His point of course was just to highlight how dumb the rules are.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Yep but when the consequences are so awful if you ignore the dumb regulations, it is best to turn square corners when dealing with the government.
I remember a lot of stupid things we had to do in the military but not doing them meant a Big Chicken Dinners if not time in the stockade.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Yep but when the consequences are so awful if you ignore the dumb regulations, it is best to turn square corners when dealing with the government.
I remember a lot of stupid things we had to do in the military but not doing them meant a Big Chicken Dinners if not time in the stockade.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:50 PM (2swu2)
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I sort of doubt a 16 ounce plastic pop bottle would work as a suppressor, anyway, and no, I will not try to prove that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 08:52 PM (8zz6B)
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Whig,
Luckily one of the team dad works for company that manufactures gun stuff so he has an FFL and can get discount off retail prices. Not a huge discount but enough to cover the sales tax plus the mags are about 30% off retail and it comes with 2 so we only needed 4 more.
Luckily one of the team dad works for company that manufactures gun stuff so he has an FFL and can get discount off retail prices. Not a huge discount but enough to cover the sales tax plus the mags are about 30% off retail and it comes with 2 so we only needed 4 more.
Posted by: lin-duh at February 01, 2026 08:53 PM (VCgbV)
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123 Like a few handguns have the trigger module as the serial numbered component (and the of the pistol parts can be swapped out to yours content) I'd like to see a silencer where the serial number is on the bushing and everything else is mix and match at your convenience.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
I want to say that someone recently introduced such a system for rifles. I get a lot of emails as ghosts of gunmags past that I scan through for new stuff.
Thundercan dot com has one such design. Look for interchangeable caliber suppressor.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
I want to say that someone recently introduced such a system for rifles. I get a lot of emails as ghosts of gunmags past that I scan through for new stuff.
Thundercan dot com has one such design. Look for interchangeable caliber suppressor.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:54 PM (2swu2)
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118 116 Anybody heard from Hrothgar?
Posted by: Eromero
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I haven't seen him around lately, was he having some issues with weather and such?
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:46 PM (2swu2)
Thank you.
Posted by: Eromero
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I haven't seen him around lately, was he having some issues with weather and such?
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:46 PM (2swu2)
Thank you.
Posted by: Eromero at February 01, 2026 08:54 PM (LHPAg)
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Saw somewhere the other day that somebody did a Form 1 for a potato and it was approved. His point of course was just to highlight how dumb the rules are.
Posted by: Oddbob
While one can get perishables registered as silencers it is limited value.
And never mind spoilage before registration is approved it's probably good for one shot.
Posted by: Oddbob
While one can get perishables registered as silencers it is limited value.
And never mind spoilage before registration is approved it's probably good for one shot.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 01, 2026 08:54 PM (/lPRQ)
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127 Whig,
Luckily one of the team dad works for company that manufactures gun stuff so he has an FFL and can get discount off retail prices. Not a huge discount but enough to cover the sales tax plus the mags are about 30% off retail and it comes with 2 so we only needed 4 more.
Posted by: lin-duh
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Glad to hear it. 30 percent off mags is a pretty darn good discount too.
Luckily one of the team dad works for company that manufactures gun stuff so he has an FFL and can get discount off retail prices. Not a huge discount but enough to cover the sales tax plus the mags are about 30% off retail and it comes with 2 so we only needed 4 more.
Posted by: lin-duh
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Glad to hear it. 30 percent off mags is a pretty darn good discount too.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:54 PM (2swu2)
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This is why I only load 28 rounds into my ready magazines. I figure if those 29th and 30th rounds are going to make that much difference, I probably bit off more than I can chew anyway.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 08:48 PM (BSxnY)
This was definitely true w/ the older, 1980s vintage 30 round magazines for the M-16A1 going into Operation Desert Storm. Today's stand issue magazines from the likes of Magpul have addressed the problems with weak springs, magazine QC, and followers that dogged earlier generations of 30 round magazines that prevented all 30 rounds from being loaded.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 08:48 PM (BSxnY)
This was definitely true w/ the older, 1980s vintage 30 round magazines for the M-16A1 going into Operation Desert Storm. Today's stand issue magazines from the likes of Magpul have addressed the problems with weak springs, magazine QC, and followers that dogged earlier generations of 30 round magazines that prevented all 30 rounds from being loaded.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 08:55 PM (BCwQW)
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Huh. So thats why he had to manually cycle the rounds.
It seems odd that he would get the pistol, suppressor and not find this out.
It seems odd that he would get the pistol, suppressor and not find this out.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 08:56 PM (zZu0s)
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132 This is why I only load 28 rounds into my ready magazines. I figure if those 29th and 30th rounds are going to make that much difference, I probably bit off more than I can chew anyway.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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I prefer 20 round mags which were actually the original design as I have never had an issue with them. Have a lot of 30s but easier to move around with a 20 or fire from a benchrest.
Use 10 round mags on the AR-10 for the same reason if firing from a benchrest.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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I prefer 20 round mags which were actually the original design as I have never had an issue with them. Have a lot of 30s but easier to move around with a 20 or fire from a benchrest.
Use 10 round mags on the AR-10 for the same reason if firing from a benchrest.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:57 PM (2swu2)
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133 Huh. So thats why he had to manually cycle the rounds.
It seems odd that he would get the pistol, suppressor and not find this out.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Unfortunately one does not have to be particularly knowledgeable about firearm operation if you shoot someone in the back at close range. One shot can easily kill someone.
It seems odd that he would get the pistol, suppressor and not find this out.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Unfortunately one does not have to be particularly knowledgeable about firearm operation if you shoot someone in the back at close range. One shot can easily kill someone.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:59 PM (2swu2)
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Be careful out there, breaking today.
"The FBI and Metro Police raided an illegal biological lab in Las Vegas on Saturday morning.
The bio lab in Vegas is possibly linked to another illegal lab under investigation in Fresno, California, where authorities found deadly viruses such as HIV, Covid and Ebola."
"The FBI and Metro Police raided an illegal biological lab in Las Vegas on Saturday morning.
The bio lab in Vegas is possibly linked to another illegal lab under investigation in Fresno, California, where authorities found deadly viruses such as HIV, Covid and Ebola."
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:01 PM (2swu2)
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Huh. So thats why he had to manually cycle the rounds.
It seems odd that he would get the pistol, suppressor and not find this out.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 08:56 PM (zZu0s)
IIRC, he didn't get the suppressor by buying one and getting NFA paperwork on it. He improvised one and either forgot to include a Nielson device or accepted that he'd have to rack the slide for each shot. We'll have to wait for the trial for the details.
It seems odd that he would get the pistol, suppressor and not find this out.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 08:56 PM (zZu0s)
IIRC, he didn't get the suppressor by buying one and getting NFA paperwork on it. He improvised one and either forgot to include a Nielson device or accepted that he'd have to rack the slide for each shot. We'll have to wait for the trial for the details.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:01 PM (BCwQW)
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Would it be difficult to cut down a 30-round Colt SMG mag to 20 rounds, for use in a 9 mm AR-15 style rifle?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 09:01 PM (8zz6B)
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Unfortunately one does not have to be particularly knowledgeable about firearm operation if you shoot someone in the back at close range. One shot can easily kill someone.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:59 PM (2swu2)
I get that, but I confess I have a problem eith his ethic. You've resolved to cancel this guy in public. Wouldn't you at least practice it so you do a good job and not look like a retard?
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:59 PM (2swu2)
I get that, but I confess I have a problem eith his ethic. You've resolved to cancel this guy in public. Wouldn't you at least practice it so you do a good job and not look like a retard?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 09:02 PM (zZu0s)
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I prefer 20 round mags which were actually the original design as I have never had an issue with them. Have a lot of 30s but easier to move around with a 20 or fire from a benchrest.
Use 10 round mags on the AR-10 for the same reason if firing from a benchrest.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:57 PM (2swu2)
I actually use my old leftover 20 rounders from the Vietnam era more often when I take my AR's to the range than I do my 30 rounders for exactly this reason.
Use 10 round mags on the AR-10 for the same reason if firing from a benchrest.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 08:57 PM (2swu2)
I actually use my old leftover 20 rounders from the Vietnam era more often when I take my AR's to the range than I do my 30 rounders for exactly this reason.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:04 PM (BCwQW)
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Huh. So thats why he had to manually cycle the rounds.
It seems odd that he would get the pistol, suppressor and not find this out.
Non-gun-geeks tend to assume that everything will work the way it does in the movies.
It seems odd that he would get the pistol, suppressor and not find this out.
Non-gun-geeks tend to assume that everything will work the way it does in the movies.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 09:04 PM (Fs0KI)
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 09:04 PM (IhIKR)
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138 Would it be difficult to cut down a 30-round Colt SMG mag to 20 rounds, for use in a 9 mm AR-15 style rifle?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Would be a pita as the feed lip geometry requires just so folding for reliable feeding and the followers also have to have just the right design.
Cheaper just to buy the AR-9mm mags which are around out there.
One of those you could but probably shouldn't given the time, expense, and a question of reliability. Magazines are usually the first thing to suspect if a semi auto starts screwing up on feeding.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Would be a pita as the feed lip geometry requires just so folding for reliable feeding and the followers also have to have just the right design.
Cheaper just to buy the AR-9mm mags which are around out there.
One of those you could but probably shouldn't given the time, expense, and a question of reliability. Magazines are usually the first thing to suspect if a semi auto starts screwing up on feeding.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:06 PM (2swu2)
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Wouldn't you at least practice it so you do a good job and not look like a retard?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 09:02 PM (zZu0s)
IIRC, isn't he from a state that doesn't allow you to have NFA toys (MD or NJ)? He couldn't take it to a range and practice with it if that was the case.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 09:02 PM (zZu0s)
IIRC, isn't he from a state that doesn't allow you to have NFA toys (MD or NJ)? He couldn't take it to a range and practice with it if that was the case.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:06 PM (BCwQW)
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The FBI and Metro Police raided an illegal biological lab in Las Vegas on Saturday morning.
The bio lab in Vegas is possibly linked to another illegal lab under investigation in Fresno, California, where authorities found deadly viruses such as HIV, Covid and Ebola."
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:01 PM (2swu2)
Ohferpetessakes.
The bio lab in Vegas is possibly linked to another illegal lab under investigation in Fresno, California, where authorities found deadly viruses such as HIV, Covid and Ebola."
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:01 PM (2swu2)
Ohferpetessakes.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 01, 2026 09:06 PM (BI5O2)
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I actually use my old leftover 20 rounders from the Vietnam era more often when I take my AR's to the range than I do my 30 rounders for exactly this reason.
I like the 20s for shooting from prone or the bench. Since my first AR was intended for across-the-course high power matches, I have a box full of 20 rounders -- both USGI surplus and new manufacture -- and only a few 30s.
I like the 20s for shooting from prone or the bench. Since my first AR was intended for across-the-course high power matches, I have a box full of 20 rounders -- both USGI surplus and new manufacture -- and only a few 30s.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 09:08 PM (Fs0KI)
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142 WTF is wrong with TX?
Losing seats in districts Trump
Won by double digits?
Do better.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Three candidates in the race, Dems are now running spoiler 'independent' candidates and a fake independent led to voter confusion in a low turnout special election. The Dem got about 46 percent of the vote and the fake indy and the GOP candidate got 54 percent combined.
But don't discount the lazy state GOPs that run dismal campaigns consisting of mailers, tv and radio ads, and those awful robocalls.
Losing seats in districts Trump
Won by double digits?
Do better.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Three candidates in the race, Dems are now running spoiler 'independent' candidates and a fake independent led to voter confusion in a low turnout special election. The Dem got about 46 percent of the vote and the fake indy and the GOP candidate got 54 percent combined.
But don't discount the lazy state GOPs that run dismal campaigns consisting of mailers, tv and radio ads, and those awful robocalls.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:08 PM (2swu2)
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Would it be difficult to cut down a 30-round Colt SMG mag to 20 rounds, for use in a 9 mm AR-15 style rifle?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 09:01 PM (8zz6B)
You'd have to cut the magazine body and magazine spring just right, and still be able to reattach the magazine base and floorplate. The odds of mucking any one of these up seem really high unless you really know what you're doing.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 09:01 PM (8zz6B)
You'd have to cut the magazine body and magazine spring just right, and still be able to reattach the magazine base and floorplate. The odds of mucking any one of these up seem really high unless you really know what you're doing.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:09 PM (BCwQW)
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Would be a pita as the feed lip geometry requires just so folding for reliable feeding and the followers also have to have just the right design.
Cheaper just to buy the AR-9mm mags which are around out there.
One of those you could but probably shouldn't given the time, expense, and a question of reliability. Magazines are usually the first thing to suspect if a semi auto starts screwing up on feeding.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:06 PM (2swu2)
Oh, I have 3 30-round mags, and they all work fine with the mag well adaptor, as long as I use 124 grain ammo. 115 often generates a FTE/FTF. Issue with 30-round mags is much too long for bench rest shooting. If I were to shorten one up, it would be from the sole plate end, obviously.
Cheaper just to buy the AR-9mm mags which are around out there.
One of those you could but probably shouldn't given the time, expense, and a question of reliability. Magazines are usually the first thing to suspect if a semi auto starts screwing up on feeding.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:06 PM (2swu2)
Oh, I have 3 30-round mags, and they all work fine with the mag well adaptor, as long as I use 124 grain ammo. 115 often generates a FTE/FTF. Issue with 30-round mags is much too long for bench rest shooting. If I were to shorten one up, it would be from the sole plate end, obviously.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 09:09 PM (8zz6B)
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It is interesting about how a discussion about sound suppression is off limits but killing is okay.
Self-defense is written into the annals of our history.
Self-defense is written into the annals of our history.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at February 01, 2026 09:12 PM (oT7pT)
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WTF is wrong with TX?
Losing seats in districts Trump
Won by double digits?
It was a special election for a vacant state senate seat. The TX legislature won't even meet until after the next election where it is likely that Rs will retake the seat. Yes, Rs typically have crappy turnout for special elections and that's bad but it's not unique to TX.
Do better.
Says the person in Seattle.
Losing seats in districts Trump
Won by double digits?
It was a special election for a vacant state senate seat. The TX legislature won't even meet until after the next election where it is likely that Rs will retake the seat. Yes, Rs typically have crappy turnout for special elections and that's bad but it's not unique to TX.
Do better.
Says the person in Seattle.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 09:12 PM (Fs0KI)
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Oh, I have 3 30-round mags, and they all work fine with the mag well adaptor, as long as I use 124 grain ammo. 115 often generates a FTE/FTF. Issue with 30-round mags is much too long for bench rest shooting. If I were to shorten one up, it would be from the sole plate end, obviously.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Then you should be fine if you are chopping one. Spring might be a little enthusiastic though so you might have to cut it down a bit.
I've messed around for parts of my life I want back due to mag feeding issues when I used to rebuild old milsurps and simply won't do it anymore.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Then you should be fine if you are chopping one. Spring might be a little enthusiastic though so you might have to cut it down a bit.
I've messed around for parts of my life I want back due to mag feeding issues when I used to rebuild old milsurps and simply won't do it anymore.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:13 PM (2swu2)
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 09:13 PM (IhIKR)
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Oh, I have 3 30-round mags, and they all work fine with the mag well adaptor, as long as I use 124 grain ammo. 115 often generates a FTE/FTF. Issue with 30-round mags is much too long for bench rest shooting. If I were to shorten one up, it would be from the sole plate end, obviously.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 09:09 PM (8zz6B)
IIRC, Colt designed their SMG to use 9mm loaded to NATO pressures (124 grain ammo). 115 grain ammo loaded to standard pressures (lower than NATO standard pressure) might not produce enough "oomph" to cycle the bolt completely.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 09:09 PM (8zz6B)
IIRC, Colt designed their SMG to use 9mm loaded to NATO pressures (124 grain ammo). 115 grain ammo loaded to standard pressures (lower than NATO standard pressure) might not produce enough "oomph" to cycle the bolt completely.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:13 PM (BCwQW)
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142 WTF is wrong with TX?
A: LIBs. LIBBing out, and carping for it -- they wan't your Cheesecake
https://www.tinyur.com/forWARd-WhenLIBsDisarm
RightWingExtremist -- why LIBs arm themselves and ceaselessly attack like angry hornets.
https://www.tinyurl.com/forWARd-WhenLIBsDisarm
Forget the Epstein files/open the Ghilsane files where where very first hand unusual closeness to Chelsea remains under-reported to this day. Why? ctHILLARY pimped her out, and it wasn't the first.
Second only to Huma's obsequious attachment to candidate ctHILLARY before her full apothoisis to demonhood in acceding to the Soros Fortune and Anti-US arsenal.
ctHILLARY should be worried, Greater Evil *ALWAYS* destroys its maker.
" I Wish There Could Be A National System To Alert Us "We Have Solved" The Problem That Is Trump" ctHILLARY, 2025
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- ctHILLARY'04, preparing a special 13th day of Jeffmas for us all !!!
A: LIBs. LIBBing out, and carping for it -- they wan't your Cheesecake
https://www.tinyur.com/forWARd-WhenLIBsDisarm
RightWingExtremist -- why LIBs arm themselves and ceaselessly attack like angry hornets.
https://www.tinyurl.com/forWARd-WhenLIBsDisarm
Forget the Epstein files/open the Ghilsane files where where very first hand unusual closeness to Chelsea remains under-reported to this day. Why? ctHILLARY pimped her out, and it wasn't the first.
Second only to Huma's obsequious attachment to candidate ctHILLARY before her full apothoisis to demonhood in acceding to the Soros Fortune and Anti-US arsenal.
ctHILLARY should be worried, Greater Evil *ALWAYS* destroys its maker.
" I Wish There Could Be A National System To Alert Us "We Have Solved" The Problem That Is Trump" ctHILLARY, 2025
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- ctHILLARY'04, preparing a special 13th day of Jeffmas for us all !!!
Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at February 01, 2026 09:15 PM (guR9l)
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Yes. I’m in Seattle. No one expects Seattle to go red. We keep going further into the hole.
I’ve never trumpeted Seattle to be red. We are reliably stupid. And getting stupider.
But y’all in Texas proclaim to be red. And holding red. And you’re not.
I’ve never trumpeted Seattle to be red. We are reliably stupid. And getting stupider.
But y’all in Texas proclaim to be red. And holding red. And you’re not.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 09:15 PM (IhIKR)
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To be fair, communism depends on laziness.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 09:16 PM (zZu0s)
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I have plenty of ten, twenty, and thirty round AR-15 magazines, each type has its use.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 09:17 PM (BSxnY)
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WTF is wrong with TX?
Losing seats in districts Trump
Won by double digits?
Do better.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 09:04 PM (IhIKR)
I think there was some bad jujo between Repub candidates thst led to this result. My understanding is that there will be another election for this seat in November. The TX legislature is not in session again until 2027, so this persyn has no say in the meantime.
Losing seats in districts Trump
Won by double digits?
Do better.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 09:04 PM (IhIKR)
I think there was some bad jujo between Repub candidates thst led to this result. My understanding is that there will be another election for this seat in November. The TX legislature is not in session again until 2027, so this persyn has no say in the meantime.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at February 01, 2026 09:17 PM (lpTXP)
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What excuse have you for Washington? Is it less "lame?"
Because I bet it's not.
I don't think there's some environmental pollutant that turned your state retarded, lady.
Is it just that you were too lazy to stop it?
Because I bet it's not.
I don't think there's some environmental pollutant that turned your state retarded, lady.
Is it just that you were too lazy to stop it?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 01, 2026 09:17 PM (BI5O2)
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150 It is interesting about how a discussion about sound suppression is off limits but killing is okay.
Self-defense is written into the annals of our history.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone
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Same reason that Weasel san asked us politely not to mention loads for cartridges here. Basically, this is Ace's house and certain keywords can cause him to lose ad revenue and trouble from gubmint agencies possibly.
So discussion what someone else did and why it did not work like with suppressors is within the boundaries. Same with self defense topics like whether or not you should stay silent, etc.
But people directly advocating what could be construed as illegal actions here often get banned, sometimes temporary or sometimes permanent by management. We have a fair number of law enforcement people here, retired or otherwise, there are certainly alphabet agencies that watch for certain key words, and the ATF in particular gets twitches when NFA violations are discussed.
Simple politeness as this is a forum graciously allowed by the host and his cobs and we have to be on best behavior in the parlor when discussing issues.
Self-defense is written into the annals of our history.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone
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Same reason that Weasel san asked us politely not to mention loads for cartridges here. Basically, this is Ace's house and certain keywords can cause him to lose ad revenue and trouble from gubmint agencies possibly.
So discussion what someone else did and why it did not work like with suppressors is within the boundaries. Same with self defense topics like whether or not you should stay silent, etc.
But people directly advocating what could be construed as illegal actions here often get banned, sometimes temporary or sometimes permanent by management. We have a fair number of law enforcement people here, retired or otherwise, there are certainly alphabet agencies that watch for certain key words, and the ATF in particular gets twitches when NFA violations are discussed.
Simple politeness as this is a forum graciously allowed by the host and his cobs and we have to be on best behavior in the parlor when discussing issues.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:18 PM (2swu2)
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130 Saw somewhere the other day that somebody did a Form 1 for a potato and it was approved. His point of course was just to highlight how dumb the rules are.
Posted by: Oddbob
While one can get perishables registered as silencers it is limited value.
And never mind spoilage before registration is approved it's probably good for one shot.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 01, 2026 08:54 PM (/lPRQ)
What are the federal regulations regarding properly registered suppressors which are destroyed or damaged beyond use?
Does tater boy need to keep the rotting remains of the "suppressor" forever, or is there some legal method of un-registering a destroyed suppressor?
Posted by: Oddbob
While one can get perishables registered as silencers it is limited value.
And never mind spoilage before registration is approved it's probably good for one shot.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 01, 2026 08:54 PM (/lPRQ)
What are the federal regulations regarding properly registered suppressors which are destroyed or damaged beyond use?
Does tater boy need to keep the rotting remains of the "suppressor" forever, or is there some legal method of un-registering a destroyed suppressor?
Posted by: a.moron at February 01, 2026 09:18 PM (X5Jzz)
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IIRC, Colt designed their SMG to use 9mm loaded to NATO pressures (124 grain ammo). 115 grain ammo loaded to standard pressures (lower than NATO standard pressure) might not produce enough "oomph" to cycle the bolt completely.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:13 PM (BCwQW)
This isn't a Colt SMG, though. It is a 9 mm upper (Obsidian Arms, IIRC) on a self-made lower. Straight blowback, no gas system. 16 inch barrel. Possibly a lighter buffer weight would help it cycle 115 grain ammo? Not that using 124 is a hardship.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:13 PM (BCwQW)
This isn't a Colt SMG, though. It is a 9 mm upper (Obsidian Arms, IIRC) on a self-made lower. Straight blowback, no gas system. 16 inch barrel. Possibly a lighter buffer weight would help it cycle 115 grain ammo? Not that using 124 is a hardship.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 09:19 PM (8zz6B)
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Dude. Washington has been a reliably blue state since Reagan.
It’s the way it is.
I can’t turn the state red. But.
I do talk to people. And I’m not leaving my home. I love where I live. And I’m not about to be run out.
It’s the way it is.
I can’t turn the state red. But.
I do talk to people. And I’m not leaving my home. I love where I live. And I’m not about to be run out.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 09:20 PM (IhIKR)
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IIRC, Colt designed their SMG to use 9mm loaded to NATO pressures (124 grain ammo). 115 grain ammo loaded to standard pressures (lower than NATO standard pressure) might not produce enough "oomph" to cycle the bolt completely.
Posted by: Ed L
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I think you may be correct. 124gr 9mm NATO is closer to +p 9mm than std pressure. Not quite +p but close. Euro 9mm often work better with 9mm Nato than our domestic 115 gr. Older S&W wondernines from the 70's and 80's work better with 115 gr 9mm.
Posted by: Ed L
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I think you may be correct. 124gr 9mm NATO is closer to +p 9mm than std pressure. Not quite +p but close. Euro 9mm often work better with 9mm Nato than our domestic 115 gr. Older S&W wondernines from the 70's and 80's work better with 115 gr 9mm.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:21 PM (2swu2)
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Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:18 PM (2swu2)
Don't worry about it. We have moderators and, if necessary, cobloggers to deal with it.
Don't worry about it. We have moderators and, if necessary, cobloggers to deal with it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2026 09:22 PM (n9ltV)
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Rules of Gunfighting:
Rule #1: Bring a gun. Check.
Rule #2: Bring enough gun. IMO, no check.
It's a small step up to a .380 (still marginal IMO but OK with careful ammo selection) and another small step to a sub-compact 9. My EDC for years was a Colt Mustang with Corbons. Now it's a Sig P290 with Hornadys.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 08:18 PM
Rule #3: Bring all your friends with rifles.
Rule #1: Bring a gun. Check.
Rule #2: Bring enough gun. IMO, no check.
It's a small step up to a .380 (still marginal IMO but OK with careful ammo selection) and another small step to a sub-compact 9. My EDC for years was a Colt Mustang with Corbons. Now it's a Sig P290 with Hornadys.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 08:18 PM
Rule #3: Bring all your friends with rifles.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 01, 2026 09:23 PM (0sNs1)
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Be sure to use a sweet potato.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 01, 2026 09:23 PM (Cqx++)
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This isn't a Colt SMG, though. It is a 9 mm upper (Obsidian Arms, IIRC) on a self-made lower. Straight blowback, no gas system. 16 inch barrel. Possibly a lighter buffer weight would help it cycle 115 grain ammo? Not that using 124 is a hardship.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 09:19 PM (8zz6B)
A lighter buffer might help. But it might be easier to try the 124s first to see if that switch works.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 09:19 PM (8zz6B)
A lighter buffer might help. But it might be easier to try the 124s first to see if that switch works.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:24 PM (BCwQW)
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Rule #4 Shoot them with a rifle before they know youre there.
Wait, which kind of gunfight are we talking about?
Wait, which kind of gunfight are we talking about?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 09:24 PM (zZu0s)
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This isn't a Colt SMG, though. It is a 9 mm upper (Obsidian Arms, IIRC) on a self-made lower. Straight blowback, no gas system. 16 inch barrel. Possibly a lighter buffer weight would help it cycle 115 grain ammo? Not that using 124 is a hardship.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Yes, you can tinker with buffer weights to tune one in but that is sometimes a pain, sometimes not. A day at the range basically.
But the bolt works in recoil impulse and a 115 gr standard pressure has a different recoil impulse than 124 gr. Nato. Not a gas issue but the whole bolt, feed, and recoil from teh buffer as a system issue.
You can run into the same problems with semi autos as teh slide, recoil spring, barrel weight, etc. are all designed as a unit. There is some leeway but most just feed a weapon what it likes rather than trying to tweak them as some of those tweaks can degrade accuracy.
Rugers P series, are an example of a firearm that feeds damn near anything but is minute of man accuracy due to tolerances baked into the cake for reliability. Smith 3rd Generation and later are the same.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Yes, you can tinker with buffer weights to tune one in but that is sometimes a pain, sometimes not. A day at the range basically.
But the bolt works in recoil impulse and a 115 gr standard pressure has a different recoil impulse than 124 gr. Nato. Not a gas issue but the whole bolt, feed, and recoil from teh buffer as a system issue.
You can run into the same problems with semi autos as teh slide, recoil spring, barrel weight, etc. are all designed as a unit. There is some leeway but most just feed a weapon what it likes rather than trying to tweak them as some of those tweaks can degrade accuracy.
Rugers P series, are an example of a firearm that feeds damn near anything but is minute of man accuracy due to tolerances baked into the cake for reliability. Smith 3rd Generation and later are the same.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:26 PM (2swu2)
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RE: the "potato suppressor". Wouldn't the NFA taxed/stamped device be the bushing/whatever that is used to attach the spud to the muzzle of the firearm? I believe that is how it works for "oil filter suppressors".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 01, 2026 09:26 PM (8zz6B)
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Don't worry about it. We have moderators and, if necessary, cobloggers to deal with it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Thought you were elsewhere and Weasel san has retired for the evening. I am sure that people are around with the banhammer but don't really like to see it if avoidable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Thought you were elsewhere and Weasel san has retired for the evening. I am sure that people are around with the banhammer but don't really like to see it if avoidable.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:27 PM (2swu2)
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Rule #0: Make friends with the sniper in the Art Thread painting. (Pro Tip: S/he rarely is hiding behind one of the happy little bushes, but you never know.)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 01, 2026 09:28 PM (0sNs1)
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What are the federal regulations regarding properly registered suppressors which are destroyed or damaged beyond use?
Does tater boy need to keep the rotting remains of the "suppressor" forever, or is there some legal method of un-registering a destroyed suppressor?
Posted by: a.moron at February 01, 2026 09:18 PM (X5Jzz)
Check w/ BATFE to be sure, but I think you have to submit a Form 4 documenting the destruction of the registered item by showing it has been cut apart or physically destroyed. BATFE is pretty specific about what it takes to "destroy" an NFA item. Submittal of pictures and/or video will be required.
Does tater boy need to keep the rotting remains of the "suppressor" forever, or is there some legal method of un-registering a destroyed suppressor?
Posted by: a.moron at February 01, 2026 09:18 PM (X5Jzz)
Check w/ BATFE to be sure, but I think you have to submit a Form 4 documenting the destruction of the registered item by showing it has been cut apart or physically destroyed. BATFE is pretty specific about what it takes to "destroy" an NFA item. Submittal of pictures and/or video will be required.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:29 PM (BCwQW)
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172 RE: the "potato suppressor". Wouldn't the NFA taxed/stamped device be the bushing/whatever that is used to attach the spud to the muzzle of the firearm? I believe that is how it works for "oil filter suppressors".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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I think it was something ludicrous like scratching the potato or something. It was a silly demonstration to show how regulating something that is basically a sound muffler is silly. It is so silly that most Europeans don't even bother with it.
I blame Hollyweird for it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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I think it was something ludicrous like scratching the potato or something. It was a silly demonstration to show how regulating something that is basically a sound muffler is silly. It is so silly that most Europeans don't even bother with it.
I blame Hollyweird for it.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:29 PM (2swu2)
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>>>Simple politeness as this is a forum graciously allowed by the host and his cobs and we have to be on best behavior in the parlor when discussing issues.
Posted by: whig
>Again, you are correct. I'm a crossbow man, myself. You longbow people are sissies.
Anyway, all of my firearms were lost in a canoeing mishap a few month ago.
Posted by: whig
>Again, you are correct. I'm a crossbow man, myself. You longbow people are sissies.
Anyway, all of my firearms were lost in a canoeing mishap a few month ago.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at February 01, 2026 09:29 PM (oT7pT)
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Check w/ BATFE to be sure, but I think you have to submit a Form 4 documenting the destruction of the registered item by showing it has been cut apart or physically destroyed. BATFE is pretty specific about what it takes to "destroy" an NFA item. Submittal of pictures and/or video will be required.
Posted by: Ed L
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Mashed potatoes anyone?
Posted by: Ed L
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Mashed potatoes anyone?
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:30 PM (2swu2)
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No mashing!
Posted by: Brian Stelter (D-CNN) at February 01, 2026 09:31 PM (0sNs1)
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175 What are the federal regulations regarding properly registered suppressors which are destroyed or damaged beyond use?
Does tater boy need to keep the rotting remains of the "suppressor" forever, or is there some legal method of un-registering a destroyed suppressor?
Posted by: a.moron at February 01, 2026 09:18 PM (X5Jzz)
Check w/ BATFE to be sure, but I think you have to submit a Form 4 documenting the destruction of the registered item by showing it has been cut apart or physically destroyed. BATFE is pretty specific about what it takes to "destroy" an NFA item. Submittal of pictures and/or video will be required.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:29 PM (BCwQW)
So, Form 4 and a picture of a pile of french fries should do it.
Does tater boy need to keep the rotting remains of the "suppressor" forever, or is there some legal method of un-registering a destroyed suppressor?
Posted by: a.moron at February 01, 2026 09:18 PM (X5Jzz)
Check w/ BATFE to be sure, but I think you have to submit a Form 4 documenting the destruction of the registered item by showing it has been cut apart or physically destroyed. BATFE is pretty specific about what it takes to "destroy" an NFA item. Submittal of pictures and/or video will be required.
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:29 PM (BCwQW)
So, Form 4 and a picture of a pile of french fries should do it.
Posted by: a.moron at February 01, 2026 09:31 PM (X5Jzz)
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A comparison of the silencing ability of various fruits and vegetables would be interesting. How would say, a watermelon, perform against perhaps, a coconut?
Posted by: fd at February 01, 2026 09:31 PM (vFG9F)
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Time for me to sign off for the night. See you all next week!
Posted by: Ed L at February 01, 2026 09:32 PM (BCwQW)
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174 Rule #0: Make friends with the sniper in the Art Thread painting. (Pro Tip: S/he rarely is hiding behind one of the happy little bushes, but you never know.)
Posted by: Duncanthrax
I guess pyracantha would be an unhappy little bush, especially for those having to cross through them.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
I guess pyracantha would be an unhappy little bush, especially for those having to cross through them.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:33 PM (2swu2)
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Next worst thing to caliber creep is magazine creep. I have four different systems that take 9mm Luger, and I was getting frustrated over getting the correct magazines loaded into the right range bag on the appropriate day.
Suddenly, a five watt light bulb appeared over my head. Range bags that can carry a pistol, ammo, and multiple magazines are relatively inexpensive. I grabbed a handful of hanger tags and started writing codes like BHP and 1911-45 on them. A quick sort of my existing bag inventory, few minutes on Amazon, and I am now on my way to getting organized.
Suddenly, a five watt light bulb appeared over my head. Range bags that can carry a pistol, ammo, and multiple magazines are relatively inexpensive. I grabbed a handful of hanger tags and started writing codes like BHP and 1911-45 on them. A quick sort of my existing bag inventory, few minutes on Amazon, and I am now on my way to getting organized.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 09:33 PM (BSxnY)
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I blame Hollyweird for it.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:29 PM (2swu2)
Was it after the Vegas shooting that hillary said the carnage would have been 10 times worse if he had used a suppressor?
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:29 PM (2swu2)
Was it after the Vegas shooting that hillary said the carnage would have been 10 times worse if he had used a suppressor?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at February 01, 2026 09:34 PM (zZu0s)
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Philippine Sea, A-4 incident.
Oh, my gosh, our military, at war, was armed with our most lethal weapons. Shocked.
I mean, couldn't they use rubber bombs?
Oh, my gosh, our military, at war, was armed with our most lethal weapons. Shocked.
I mean, couldn't they use rubber bombs?
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at February 01, 2026 09:35 PM (c35xG)
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Suddenly, a five watt light bulb appeared over my head. Range bags that can carry a pistol, ammo, and multiple magazines are relatively inexpensive. I grabbed a handful of hanger tags and started writing codes like BHP and 1911-45 on them. A quick sort of my existing bag inventory, few minutes on Amazon, and I am now on my way to getting organized.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
I do something similar with rifles in my safe. All are in gunsocks and I label them as to what is what for that particular gunsock. But your system makes a lot of sense for grabbing the right firearm and mags for range trips.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
I do something similar with rifles in my safe. All are in gunsocks and I label them as to what is what for that particular gunsock. But your system makes a lot of sense for grabbing the right firearm and mags for range trips.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:35 PM (2swu2)
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RE: the "potato suppressor". Wouldn't the NFA taxed/stamped device be the bushing/whatever that is used to attach the spud to the muzzle of the firearm? I believe that is how it works for "oil filter suppressors".
You could probably do it that way if you were actually serious about using it. But since his intent was to just make mock of the NFA regs, he registered the actual potato. Which I suppose means he had to serial number somehow it to distinguish it from all other potatoes. Yeah, it's weird and silly but that's the point.
You could probably do it that way if you were actually serious about using it. But since his intent was to just make mock of the NFA regs, he registered the actual potato. Which I suppose means he had to serial number somehow it to distinguish it from all other potatoes. Yeah, it's weird and silly but that's the point.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 09:36 PM (Fs0KI)
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Was it after the Vegas shooting that hillary said the carnage would have been 10 times worse if he had used a suppressor?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Heh. Sounds like something Killary would say, then again, she has it done for her and Bill, instead of dirtying her own hands with it. Vince Foster might be the exception though. That is still a weird one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Heh. Sounds like something Killary would say, then again, she has it done for her and Bill, instead of dirtying her own hands with it. Vince Foster might be the exception though. That is still a weird one.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:36 PM (2swu2)
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184 Next worst thing to caliber creep is magazine creep. I have four different systems that take 9mm Luger, and I was getting frustrated over getting the correct magazines loaded into the right range bag on the appropriate day.
Suddenly, a five watt light bulb appeared over my head. Range bags that can carry a pistol, ammo, and multiple magazines are relatively inexpensive. I grabbed a handful of hanger tags and started writing codes like BHP and 1911-45 on them. A quick sort of my existing bag inventory, few minutes on Amazon, and I am now on my way to getting organized.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 09:33 PM (BSxnY)
. . . and a separate range bag for common stuff like ear muffs, stapler, etc. I like it !
Suddenly, a five watt light bulb appeared over my head. Range bags that can carry a pistol, ammo, and multiple magazines are relatively inexpensive. I grabbed a handful of hanger tags and started writing codes like BHP and 1911-45 on them. A quick sort of my existing bag inventory, few minutes on Amazon, and I am now on my way to getting organized.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 01, 2026 09:33 PM (BSxnY)
. . . and a separate range bag for common stuff like ear muffs, stapler, etc. I like it !
Posted by: a.moron at February 01, 2026 09:38 PM (X5Jzz)
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Rule #0: Make friends with the sniper in the Art Thread painting
More seriously, I always figured Rule #0 was "Be somewhere else." But if you've screwed up that one, Rules 1 and 2 become very important.
More seriously, I always figured Rule #0 was "Be somewhere else." But if you've screwed up that one, Rules 1 and 2 become very important.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 09:38 PM (Fs0KI)
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Thanks, Weasel.
Posted by: GWB at February 01, 2026 09:39 PM (IBQTE)
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Re John Farnam, noted firearms trainer.
"1) Don’t go to stupid places! “Begging the question” is a sure formula for a short life, as we see!
2) Don’t associate with, nor find yourself among, stupid people. Stupid people don’t live very long. Make it a point to find better friends!
3) Don’t participate in stupid and dangerous activities (along with other stupid people). Neither minding other peoples’ business, nor aggressively injecting yourself into dangerous confrontations in which you were not otherwise involved, nor “begging the question” in general are consistent with long life!
4) Don’t fail “The Attitude Test” Be always polite, courteous, non-confrontational, boring, particularly when you find yourself in dangerous circumstances. Separate and exit the area immediately, without comment. Don’t look for ways to make people angry with you. You may be far more successful than you ever imagined, as we see!"
"1) Don’t go to stupid places! “Begging the question” is a sure formula for a short life, as we see!
2) Don’t associate with, nor find yourself among, stupid people. Stupid people don’t live very long. Make it a point to find better friends!
3) Don’t participate in stupid and dangerous activities (along with other stupid people). Neither minding other peoples’ business, nor aggressively injecting yourself into dangerous confrontations in which you were not otherwise involved, nor “begging the question” in general are consistent with long life!
4) Don’t fail “The Attitude Test” Be always polite, courteous, non-confrontational, boring, particularly when you find yourself in dangerous circumstances. Separate and exit the area immediately, without comment. Don’t look for ways to make people angry with you. You may be far more successful than you ever imagined, as we see!"
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:40 PM (2swu2)
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Was it after the Vegas shooting that hillary said the carnage would have been 10 times worse if he had used a suppressor?
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Translation: "this sonofabitch almost singlehandly matched my high score, and my minions always use suppressors, per CGI bylaws. If he'd had a suppressor at that concert, I'd have to liquidate the entire population of Fernando Poo to stay on my pedestal."
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Translation: "this sonofabitch almost singlehandly matched my high score, and my minions always use suppressors, per CGI bylaws. If he'd had a suppressor at that concert, I'd have to liquidate the entire population of Fernando Poo to stay on my pedestal."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 01, 2026 09:43 PM (BI5O2)
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A couple of recently deceased activists could have used that advice, whig.
Posted by: fd at February 01, 2026 09:47 PM (vFG9F)
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Was scrolling back up to scan for something and noticed:
But don't discount the lazy state GOPs that run dismal campaigns consisting of mailers, tv and radio ads, and those awful robocalls.
Republicans (with the exception of Cornyn) win in TX in spite of the state GOP, not because of it.
But don't discount the lazy state GOPs that run dismal campaigns consisting of mailers, tv and radio ads, and those awful robocalls.
Republicans (with the exception of Cornyn) win in TX in spite of the state GOP, not because of it.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 09:47 PM (Fs0KI)
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Greetings from Houston. I'm very late but I did go to the range today. First time since the MoMe, where I had a dismal showing on the range. Today was pretty good. Tried to make every shot count and slow down my trigger pull. Cow Demon had a great outing.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 01, 2026 09:51 PM (L8/Na)
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195 A couple of recently deceased activists could have used that advice, whig.
Posted by: fd
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John had them in mind specifically in that particular post but his rules for encounters and going home safe have been around for a while.
His free quips series at Defense Training International is hilarious, sobering, and wise at times. John is an old school firearms trainer and he and his wife go throughout the US training people on firearm use. Has several well regarded books out too that are still in print.
Posted by: fd
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John had them in mind specifically in that particular post but his rules for encounters and going home safe have been around for a while.
His free quips series at Defense Training International is hilarious, sobering, and wise at times. John is an old school firearms trainer and he and his wife go throughout the US training people on firearm use. Has several well regarded books out too that are still in print.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:52 PM (2swu2)
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Republicans (with the exception of Cornyn) win in TX in spite of the state GOP, not because of it.
Posted by: Oddbob
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GOP in most states and localities have become moribund because they are run by an iron triangle of state party officials, donors, and campaign consultants. As long as each get what they want, they are happy and the rest of the voters can safely be ignored.
Posted by: Oddbob
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GOP in most states and localities have become moribund because they are run by an iron triangle of state party officials, donors, and campaign consultants. As long as each get what they want, they are happy and the rest of the voters can safely be ignored.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:54 PM (2swu2)
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197 Greetings from Houston. I'm very late but I did go to the range today. First time since the MoMe, where I had a dismal showing on the range. Today was pretty good. Tried to make every shot count and slow down my trigger pull. Cow Demon had a great outing.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Safe travels.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Safe travels.
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:54 PM (2swu2)
Posted by: whig at February 01, 2026 09:56 PM (2swu2)
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G'night, whig. Always a good thread when you're on it.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 09:57 PM (Fs0KI)
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But don't discount the lazy state GOPs that run dismal campaigns consisting of mailers, tv and radio ads, and those awful robocalls.
Republicans (with the exception of Cornyn) win in TX in spite of the state GOP, not because of it.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 09:47 PM (Fs0KI)
Don’t forget robo texts.
Republicans (with the exception of Cornyn) win in TX in spite of the state GOP, not because of it.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 09:47 PM (Fs0KI)
Don’t forget robo texts.
Posted by: Cow Demon at February 01, 2026 09:58 PM (PlzrS)
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SID!
Good for you! Get out there. Pull the trigger. Do your best to focus and fight the flinch. Please don’t be so hard on yourself. I have confidence in you. I’ve stood next to you while you shoot. I am confidant you would prevail in a situation.
Good for you! Get out there. Pull the trigger. Do your best to focus and fight the flinch. Please don’t be so hard on yourself. I have confidence in you. I’ve stood next to you while you shoot. I am confidant you would prevail in a situation.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 09:59 PM (IhIKR)
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ONT.
Posted by: clarence at February 01, 2026 10:01 PM (6L3LN)
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Don’t forget robo texts.
Somehow, during the time he was at UT, the TX Democrat party got my phone number with my son's name. I still get spam texts every election cycle. Usually I just ignore them but sometimes I f*ck with them.
Somehow, during the time he was at UT, the TX Democrat party got my phone number with my son's name. I still get spam texts every election cycle. Usually I just ignore them but sometimes I f*ck with them.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 01, 2026 10:01 PM (Fs0KI)
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142 WTF is wrong with TX?
Losing seats in districts Trump
Won by double digits?
Do better.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 09:04 PM (IhIKR)
We have our share of RINOs and Leftist Republicans. I have one representing me in the TX HR and I can’t wait to vote for his opponent.
Losing seats in districts Trump
Won by double digits?
Do better.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 01, 2026 09:04 PM (IhIKR)
We have our share of RINOs and Leftist Republicans. I have one representing me in the TX HR and I can’t wait to vote for his opponent.
Posted by: Cow Demon at February 01, 2026 10:04 PM (PlzrS)
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Guns.
Am late.
Did go shooting, did some G17 shooting and didn't do super great. Shooting low left and we all know what that means....practice more. Get that trigger break dialed in.
Also did some shooting with my .223 Henry single shot. It was fun, not tactical at all but it was good fun.
Am late.
Did go shooting, did some G17 shooting and didn't do super great. Shooting low left and we all know what that means....practice more. Get that trigger break dialed in.
Also did some shooting with my .223 Henry single shot. It was fun, not tactical at all but it was good fun.
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