Mid-Morning Art Thread

Canon de 27 cm, modèle 1870
Gustave Bourgain

This was sent to me a few years ago by a commenter, but damned if I can't find the email. So...dear anonymous commenter...thank you!

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM

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1 Sponge!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 09:30 AM (c115l)

2 Son of a gun!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 26, 2025 09:30 AM (cYBz/)

3 Now that is a cannon

Posted by: Skip at December 26, 2025 09:30 AM (Ia/+0)

4 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 09:30 AM (c115l)

5 It looks more like a photograph than it does a painting! No complaints; I love it and the detail.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 26, 2025 09:31 AM (wzUl9)

6 Is this an example of the kind of weaponry the battleships of the 1870s carried?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 26, 2025 09:32 AM (wzUl9)

7 Show me your hearing protection and other PPE.

Posted by: The local OSHA inspector at December 26, 2025 09:32 AM (2Ez/1)

8 Steam punk destruction. Ooooo. I like it.

Posted by: thug dolphin at December 26, 2025 09:32 AM (EyfuW)

9 Is this steampunk? Because it feels very steampunk.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 09:32 AM (ZOv7s)

10 Is that a Canon Sure Shot?

Posted by: Doof at December 26, 2025 09:33 AM (QMAsf)

11 That IS a monster of a cannon.
I wonder how much powder it takes to fire and how much the cannonball weighs?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 09:33 AM (c115l)

12 Ready. Aim.

Posted by: huerfano at December 26, 2025 09:33 AM (98kQX)

13 Well, this is a change of pace.

Posted by: Bulg at December 26, 2025 09:34 AM (77rzZ)

14 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 09:34 AM (Zz0t1)

15 That IS a monster of a cannon.
I wonder how much powder it takes to fire and how much the cannonball weighs?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025

***
I wonder how much of the gun crew's hearing is left after a few battles or even drills.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 26, 2025 09:35 AM (wzUl9)

16 It looks more like a photograph than it does a painting! No complaints; I love it and the detail.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

I like how he made the wood deck planks shiny. That's what makes it almost look like a photo.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 09:35 AM (c115l)

17 10.63 inches
Way bigger yet than a 64pdr

Posted by: Skip at December 26, 2025 09:35 AM (Ia/+0)

18 That's actually quite impressive.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 09:35 AM (Zz0t1)

19 Title
French: Pièce de 27 dans le réduit d'un cuirassé type Colbert vers 1885 Edit this at Wikidata
Object type painting Edit this at Wikidata
Description
Français : Canon de 27 cm modèle 1870 dans le réduit d'un cuirassé de type Colbert
English: Canon de 27 cm modèle 1870 in the armoured section of a Colbert class ironclad
Date 1887 Edit this at Wikidata
Medium oil on canvas Edit this at Wikidata
Dimensions height: 65 cm (25.5 in) Edit this at Wikidata; width: 100 cm (39.3 in) Edit this at Wikidata
Collection
Collections of Musée national de la Marine de Paris

Posted by: r hennigantx at December 26, 2025 09:35 AM (gbOdA)

20 I do not particularly care for photo realism but respect the skill to do it.

I watch a lot of videos of photo realism painter Michael James Smith because it’s fascinating seeing the process and skill.

Posted by: Opinion fact at December 26, 2025 09:35 AM (KDPiq)

21 The munitions were angry that day, my friends.

Posted by: George Costanza at December 26, 2025 09:36 AM (2Ez/1)

22 5 Wolfus, that was my first thought, too — that it was a photograph.

Has a photograph ever been featured on the Art Thread?

Posted by: Bulg at December 26, 2025 09:36 AM (77rzZ)

23 What's the drop of the projectile at 100 yards? 50 feet?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 09:36 AM (Zz0t1)

24 Mine is bigger.

Posted by: Otter at December 26, 2025 09:37 AM (9ipOP)

25 Battle stations!! This is not a drill! Red Alert!! This is not a drill!

Posted by: dantesed at December 26, 2025 09:37 AM (Oy/m2)

26 "I wonder how much of the gun crew's hearing is left after a few battles or even drills.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 26, 2025 09:35 AM"

See comment #7.

Posted by: Say what? at December 26, 2025 09:38 AM (2Ez/1)

27 All of the guns could fire both solid shot and explosive shells. The 18-caliber 274-millimeter Modèle 1870 gun fired an armor-piercing, 216.0-kilogram (476.2 lb) shell while the gun itself weighed 23.21 metric tons (22.84 long tons). The gun fired its shell at a muzzle velocity of 434 m/s (1,424 ft/s) and was credited with the ability to penetrate 360 millimeters (14.3 in) of wrought iron armor at the muzzle.

Posted by: r hennigantx at December 26, 2025 09:38 AM (gbOdA)

28
I might not hang it, but this is a cool painting.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 26, 2025 09:38 AM (NpAcC)

29 Yet under a 100pdr, I think somewhere around half weight of ball for gun powder

Posted by: Skip at December 26, 2025 09:39 AM (Ia/+0)

30 What Naval battle did this ship surrender at?

Posted by: White Flag at December 26, 2025 09:39 AM (oftw2)

31 I wonder how much powder it takes to fire and how much the cannonball weighs?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 09:33 AM (c115l)

It's a rifled barrel...so probably HE rounds as well as solid.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2025 09:39 AM (n9ltV)

32 26 "I wonder how much of the gun crew's hearing is left after a few battles or even drills.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 26, 2025 09:35 AM"

See comment #7.
Posted by: Say what? at December 26, 2025 09:38 AM (2Ez/1)
________
Deafness was common in 'tween-decks gunners. Very common.

Posted by: Eeyore at December 26, 2025 09:39 AM (s0JqF)

33 Careful. Things can go sideways real fast.

Posted by: USS Iowa Gun Turret #2 at December 26, 2025 09:40 AM (2Ez/1)

34 Well, CBD, I can reliably inform you that it was not me who sent you this interesting painting via email.

I hope this helps to narrow down the list of suspects for you.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 26, 2025 09:41 AM (6ydKt)

35 Canon would not appear to have much room to adjust elevation.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 09:41 AM (npFr7)

36 10.63 inches
Way bigger yet than a 64pdr
Posted by: Skip at December 26, 2025 09:35 AM

* smiles *

Posted by: Paolo at December 26, 2025 09:42 AM (0sNs1)

37 Well, CBD, I can reliably inform you that it was not me who sent you this interesting painting via email.

I hope this helps to narrow down the list of suspects for you.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 26, 2025 09:41 AM (6ydKt)

I contribute nothing most days, so I'm quite sure it wasn't me.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 09:42 AM (Zz0t1)

38 Besides the inevitable deafness, crews were also afflicted with Turret's Syndrome.

Posted by: Fuck! Fag! Fritz! at December 26, 2025 09:42 AM (oftw2)

39 Hello, Horde! 😊💕

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at December 26, 2025 09:43 AM (XSP3T)

40 Deafness was common in 'tween-decks gunners. Very common.

Posted by: Eeyore at December 26, 2025 09:39 AM (s0JqF)

I had a cousin who spent some time with the Big Red One in Germany in the '50s, mostly in the field artillery. He was quite hard of hearing after that!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2025 09:43 AM (n9ltV)

41 One of the best painters today that does realism but still in a painterly fashion is Andrew Tischler. He also does very large canvases. Also fun to watch his videos. Would hang his work .

Posted by: Opinion fact at December 26, 2025 09:43 AM (KDPiq)

42 Hello, Horde! 😊💕
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at December 26, 2025 09:43 AM (XSP3T)

*hugs*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 09:44 AM (Zz0t1)

43 Interesting work. Very photorealistic, which is hard to do on a boat.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 26, 2025 09:44 AM (WPL6O)

44 23 What's the drop of the projectile at 100 yards? 50 feet?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 09:36 AM (Zz0t1)

9.8 m/s squared

Posted by: r hennigantx at December 26, 2025 09:44 AM (gbOdA)

45 No dog, boobs, nor happy little bush. Not a hanger here.

Posted by: Simple Tastes at December 26, 2025 09:45 AM (oftw2)

46 Hello, Horde! 😊💕

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at December 26, 2025 09:43 AM (XSP3T)

Hi Teresa. Merry Christmas!!!

Posted by: ... at December 26, 2025 09:45 AM (O42gO)

47 I wonder how much powder it takes to fire
Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 09:33 AM

You know charge weights are not supposed to be mentioned. I once translated the powder into grains for a 16" gun on the Missouri on the GT, and was roundly excoriated. Learn from my sad example.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 26, 2025 09:45 AM (0sNs1)

48 Hi, Teresa, I hope you had a great Christmas!

Posted by: Bulg at December 26, 2025 09:46 AM (77rzZ)

49 I spotted the sniper.

Posted by: fd at December 26, 2025 09:46 AM (vFG9F)

50 Which comes first: the bullet or the gun?

Posted by: Trick question. The mission comes first. at December 26, 2025 09:46 AM (2Ez/1)

51 see #27 for specs

Posted by: r hennigantx at December 26, 2025 09:46 AM (gbOdA)

52 45 No dog, boobs, nor happy little bush. Not a hanger here.

It's a banger not a hanger. No airplanes

Posted by: Oh noes!! at December 26, 2025 09:46 AM (HcoTw)

53 "I wonder how much of the gun crew's hearing is left after a few battles or even drills.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

A Marine 0811 shows up to the VA:
*Diagnosis - complete hearing loss. Not service related.*

Posted by: Tonypete at December 26, 2025 09:46 AM (cYBz/)

54 {TiFW} aren't you on a road trip?

Posted by: Otter at December 26, 2025 09:47 AM (A0sqA)

55 Is this a British or American warship? I'm guessing it's British.

Posted by: dantesed at December 26, 2025 09:47 AM (Oy/m2)

56 The Three Stooges manned a similar artillery piece. They fired on the Admirals Flagship.

Posted by: Aye! Aye! at December 26, 2025 09:47 AM (oftw2)

57 /Delta sock off

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 26, 2025 09:47 AM (A0sqA)

58 "I wonder how much of the gun crew's hearing is left after a few battles or even drills.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 26, 2025 09:35 AM"

See comment #7.
Posted by: Say what?

*cups ear* Huh?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 09:47 AM (c115l)

59 The level of realistic detail is incredible. I first thought it was a photograph. After looking at it for a few minutes I really began to appreciate the talent needed to create the image: exact lines, accurately placed shadows, even the fiber in the hawsers used to maneuver the cannon. (Glad I don't have to move that thing.) I wonder if this is supposed to be a new ship or a repaired one because everything is so bright and clean. Clearly it's not in a battle as the sailor is leaning nonchalantly on the housing. Also, there is no sign of ammunition at hand. This is the kind of painting I would expect to see on the wall of a naval institute or maritme museum.

Posted by: JTB at December 26, 2025 09:48 AM (yTvNw)

60 "Careful. Things can go sideways real fast.
Posted by: USS Iowa Gun Turret #2 "

It's got a built-in toe squisher.

Posted by: fd at December 26, 2025 09:49 AM (vFG9F)

61 From the "Shit my FiL says" department.

"When I take my hearing aids out, I can't hear a thing, but I'll say after a day or two not wearing them, I believe I can hear just as good as when I have them in."

No. No you f*cking don't.

Every time your daughter says something to you, even with them IN, the first word out of your mouth is "HUH?!?"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 09:49 AM (Zz0t1)

62 I'm guessing it's British.

Posted by: dantesed at December 26, 2025 09:47 AM (Oy/m2)

French.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2025 09:49 AM (n9ltV)

63 Things that go bang in the night?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 26, 2025 09:50 AM (NwnyJ)

64 Where's the KABOOM? There's supposed to be an Earth-shattering KABOOM!

(I know, I know, check the cabinet where mom keeps the cereal...)

Posted by: PabloD at December 26, 2025 09:51 AM (Epuwl)

65 This End Toward Enemy

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 26, 2025 09:51 AM (nWPIJ)

66 55 Is this a British or American warship? I'm guessing it's British.
Posted by: dantesed at December 26, 2025 09:47 AM (Oy/m2)

Based on the title , I’d guess French.

Also that’s a 10.6 inch shell, unusual for either American or British artillery.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 26, 2025 09:51 AM (xTuYU)

67 I'm guessing it's British.

Posted by: dantesed

French.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Which is saying something as it's not easy to throw down a 27cm cannon at first contact.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 26, 2025 09:52 AM (cYBz/)

68 55 Is this a British or American warship? I'm guessing it's British.
Posted by: dantesed at December 26, 2025 09:47 AM (Oy/m2)

It’s French.
Difficult to believe, I know, but the sailor looks like he’s wearing a beret.

If we could see his shirt, it’s probably covered in wide blue horizontal stripes.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 26, 2025 09:52 AM (6ydKt)

69 The Sponge/FIL friction is building to a head. This could get ugly.

Posted by: Joan Lunden at December 26, 2025 09:52 AM (oftw2)

70 27 centimeters is 10.63 inches.

Posted by: For those of you not named Paolo at December 26, 2025 09:52 AM (2Ez/1)

71
Is this really canon or not?

It feels more like-

'Apocrypha de 27 cm, modèle 1870"

Posted by: naturalfake at December 26, 2025 09:53 AM (iJfKG)

72 I'm impressed with the big gun tech but not otherwise emotionally moved.

This art is very clean, bright, finely detailed. Why can't we get this on classic nudes?😁

A watched coffee pot never finishes cooking.

G'morn, y'all. Got your 2nd Day of Christmas celebrations planned?

Posted by: mindful webworker - leftovers and wrapping burning? at December 26, 2025 09:54 AM (uPdbI)

73 Also that’s a 10.6 inch shell, unusual for either American or British artillery.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 26, 2025 09:51 AM (xTuYU)

Wouldn't do for the (insert number of choice here)th Republic of France to use Imperial Measure, would it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 09:54 AM (npFr7)

74 61 yeah a lot of people with hearing loss acquired gradually don't really believe they are really hadd of hearing.
Like hubby.
I don't understand. When I don't have my glasses or contacts on I don't deny that I am as blind as a bat.

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 26, 2025 09:55 AM (eZ5tL)

75 Not a concealable firearm.

Posted by: Cybernetic at December 26, 2025 09:55 AM (aL31n)

76 Very nice art for the second day of Christmas! Would hang!
Merry Christmas, Horde!

Posted by: GWB at December 26, 2025 09:56 AM (Nmsxc)

77 When was the last time a French warship pointed its guns anywhere important?

Haiphong?
Rainbow Warrior?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 26, 2025 09:56 AM (A0sqA)

78 yeah a lot of people with hearing loss acquired gradually don't really believe they are really hadd of hearing.
Like hubby.
I don't understand. When I don't have my glasses or contacts on I don't deny that I am as blind as a bat.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 26, 2025 09:55 AM (eZ5tL)

Huh? What?

Type louder!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at December 26, 2025 09:56 AM (iJfKG)

79 G'morn, y'all. Got your 2nd Day of Christmas celebrations planned?

The partridge in the pear tree made a mess and the cat went chasing it all over the house. I told my true love to hold off on the two turtle doves.

Actually, I hoping to go see our retired organist and bring her communion.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 26, 2025 09:58 AM (ix8EF)

80 *Contemplates getting up to consult Big Book of Battleships.*

*Notes cat snoozing contentedly on feet.*

*Rejects earlier notion.*

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 09:58 AM (ZOv7s)

81 77 When was the last time a French warship pointed its guns anywhere important?

Haiphong?
Rainbow Warrior?
Posted by: San Franpsycho

At least the Frogs use water cannon on protesters. We here in America can't because Bull Connor once wet some "marchers" in Sel-ma.

Posted by: Pettus Bridgegate at December 26, 2025 09:59 AM (oftw2)

82 What is the effective range on such a cannon, is what most people would want to know.

The 16 in. guns on the Iowa class battleships were able to hit targets approx 20 miles away. That’s some good shootin’.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 26, 2025 09:59 AM (2BdZb)

83 Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 26, 2025 09:55 AM (eZ5tL)

My husband is the same way. Refuses to get hearing aids.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 26, 2025 09:59 AM (ix8EF)

84 Trying to place the ship. With a broadside cannon arrangement it had to be a pre-dreadnought era vessel, but I thought those early ironclads were still made of wood. This one looks like it has a steel structure. See the 19th century French Gloire.

Beats me.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 26, 2025 10:00 AM (nWPIJ)

85 Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 26, 2025 09:47 AM (A0sqA)

That's a pretty epic hash you've got there.

AoS QA

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 10:00 AM (Zz0t1)

86 That's cute, but when you're serious, our latest version of the Tomahawk has a range of 900 nautical miles.

Call us.

Posted by: 1-800-Raytheon at December 26, 2025 10:00 AM (2Ez/1)

87 It definitely tells a story which makes it art in my book. That said, would not hang in my home. In another environment, office, business, war college, Pete Hegseth's living room; definitely.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 26, 2025 10:00 AM (2NHgQ)

88 The Sponge/FIL friction is building to a head. This could get ugly.
Posted by: Joan Lunden at December 26, 2025 09:52 AM (oftw2)

He's always been an incredibly self-centered piece of shit. This year, he's proven it tenfold.

OH the stories I could tell........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 10:02 AM (Zz0t1)

89 No dog, boobs, nor happy little bush. Not a hanger here.
Posted by: Simple Tastes at December 26, 2025 09:45 AM (oftw2)

Well, most of the ladies in the pics of nekid ladies posted here never have happy little bushes. It was a Victo...

Excuse me a moment.
/unintelligible/
Oh, ummm... Never mind.

Posted by: GWB at December 26, 2025 10:03 AM (Nmsxc)

90 yeah a lot of people with hearing loss acquired gradually don't really believe they are really hadd of hearing.
Like hubby.
I don't understand. When I don't have my glasses or contacts on I don't deny that I am as blind as a bat.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 26, 2025 09:55 AM (eZ5tL)
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That's because it is often situational. When I'm at work, or conducting commerce, I can hear just fine because people are speaking over background noise and take care with their communication because it's important things are understood so the work gets completed.

At home, people mumble, turn away, talk while walking away, talk while leaving the room and so I lose a lot of it.

When friends come over or at a party (such as Christmas yesterday), I followed conversation easily. But today everyone is now mumbling, talking into the phone, etc.

The loss is also uneven. Higher pitches are what I am losing. I can hear men just fine, but women kind of fade out. I'm trying to determine if this is a feature or a bug.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:03 AM (ZOv7s)

91 *Contemplates getting up to consult Big Book of Battleships.*

Ahem. I'm right here at your fingertips.

Posted by: The internet at December 26, 2025 10:03 AM (2Ez/1)

92 ART!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 26, 2025 10:03 AM (PVV5z)

93 100 years before Master and Commander, but a beautiful piece. Thanks, CBD!

Posted by: Eromero at December 26, 2025 10:04 AM (Slgjz)

94 Like hubby.
I don't understand. When I don't have my glasses or contacts on I don't deny that I am as blind as a bat.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 26, 2025 09:55 AM (eZ5tL)

We bought him a new TV for Christmas last year. He nearly destroyed the built in speakers because he doesn't wear his aids when he's alone. So, I bought him some external speakers.

He still turns it up to 99.

But he can hear just fine without hearing aids in a day or two not wearing them.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 10:04 AM (Zz0t1)

95 I wonder if any of the French warships equipped with guns like this survive as museum pieces?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:05 AM (npFr7)

96 Trying to place the ship. With a broadside cannon arrangement it had to be a pre-dreadnought era vessel, but I thought those early ironclads were still made of wood. This one looks like it has a steel structure. See the 19th century French Gloire.

Beats me.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 26, 2025 10:00 AM (nWPIJ)
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This isn't an early one. This was second generation, so all-metal construction, and there was variation between turret (Monitor-style, not Iowa-style), barbette, and central battery. Broadsides were less efficient in terms of traverse, but more seaworthy.

See also: HMS Captain.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:05 AM (ZOv7s)

97 We here in America can't because Bull Connor once wet some "marchers" in Sel-ma.
———

Right, it isn’t a racial or ethnic thing. Rioters need to be stopped regardless of skin tone. What is apparent is municipalities and state governments had a kind of smart frugality. Fire equipment, the fire department and firemen are already being paid. Garbage trucks and snowplows would be deployed around buildings, that kind of thing. Use what you have.

Today we have eleventy gazillion different agencies, and none of them can be used for anything, “not my department”, and the ones tasked for any given situation are often populated with incompetent grifters and water walkers.

One good “push” and a lot of places will go down hard, and ain’t gettin’ back up again.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 26, 2025 10:05 AM (2BdZb)

98
Well, most of the ladies in the pics of nekid ladies posted here never have happy little bushes.

Posted by: GWB at December 26, 2025 10:03 AM (Nmsxc)

We've got bush!!!

Posted by: Booger at December 26, 2025 10:06 AM (Zz0t1)

99 Part of a successful Uncle Leo Defense is feigning deafness. And this painting is quite intricate and a credit to a smart military blog. Much preferred, rather than some dumb still life with apples, pears, and cheese.

Posted by: Old Yeller at December 26, 2025 10:06 AM (oftw2)

100 I don't understand. When I don't have my glasses or contacts on I don't deny that I am as blind as a bat.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 26, 2025 09:55 AM (eZ5tL)

My father for the last several years of his life refused to believe he was going deaf.

So much so that he chose to share the TV with everybody in the neighborhood by turning it up to 50 and then acted all confused when asked to turn the volume down so people could have a conversation with him without screaming at the top of their lungs.

His favorite phrases at that point were; “Huh?”, “What?”, and finally, “Say that again, I can’t understand you.” followed up by “Stop raising your voice at me.”

Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 26, 2025 10:06 AM (6ydKt)

101 The loss is also uneven. Higher pitches are what I am losing. I can hear men just fine, but women kind of fade out. I'm trying to determine if this is a feature or a bug.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:03 AM (ZOv7s)

I have some higher pitch hearing loss... roughly in the frequency a turbine whine would make. I'd probably have less if I'd worn hearing protection more regularly but what sailor worth his salt does that?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 26, 2025 10:06 AM (ExV1e)

102 G'morn, y'all. Got your 2nd Day of Christmas celebrations planned?
Posted by: mindful webworker - leftovers and wrapping burning? at December 26, 2025 09:54 AM (uPdbI)
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Gotta go buy a cage for the two turtle doves.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 26, 2025 10:06 AM (ESVrU)

103 At what point in time did Navies realize they could slew the cannons faster than maneuvering the ship to fire upon a designated target? Obviously this was before the concept of turrets became the norm.

I recently saw a photo of a cannon being installed in a Civil War era warship. I don't recall the exact ship, or whether it was Union or Confederate, but it was sizeable and fixed, not movable.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 26, 2025 10:06 AM (NwnyJ)

104 " hit the decks a runnin' boys and spin those guns around..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:06 AM (XeU6L)

105 Ahem. I'm right here at your fingertips.
Posted by: The internet at December 26, 2025 10:03 AM (2Ez/1)
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Yeah, full of lies, like Wikipedia. I'm sure I'll learn that there were insufficient People of Color and Trans Visibility in the French Marine circa 1870 and nothing about armor thickness or weight of shot.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:07 AM (ZOv7s)

106 Anzio Annie is amused by this peewee gun. Here's how my dad (in his WWII diary) described an unexploded shell retrieved from the beachhead at Anzio. It had been fired from one of the two large railroad guns in the outskirts of Rome, some 40 miles away.

Apr 11, 1944
Bomb Disposal brought in an unusual
specimen today, a 280mm dud. It has 12
longitudinal rotating strips instead of the
usual band. Length: about 3 ½ ft. Wt.: over
500 lbs. Range is unknown but it is bound
to be a very long range gun.

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:08 AM (/iMjX)

107 I like how he made the wood deck planks shiny. That's what makes it almost look like a photo.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025

***
And the elevation wheel (?) looks polished, too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 26, 2025 10:08 AM (wzUl9)

108 format

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:08 AM (/iMjX)

109
His favorite phrases at that point were; “Huh?”, “What?”, and finally, “Say that again, I can’t understand you.” followed up by “Stop raising your voice at me.”
Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 26, 2025 10:06 AM (6ydKt)

First word out of his mouth when his daughter speaks to him is "HUH??!!!" So she yells at him so he can hear it. He follows with "Oh.....and you don't need to be so pissy!"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 10:09 AM (Zz0t1)

110 home, people mumble, turn away, talk while walking away, talk while leaving the room and so I lose a lot of it.

Yeah, I find myself walking back in a door, asking ‘what was that again?’.

Posted by: Eromero at December 26, 2025 10:09 AM (Slgjz)

111 format
Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:08 AM (/iMjX)

C: /q

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 10:10 AM (Zz0t1)

112 "Mr. Bailey. Phaser gun crews were slow. Program a series of drills until we're proficient, gentlemen."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 26, 2025 10:10 AM (wzUl9)

113 My hearing is somewhat diminished, but not terrible. What grates on my nerves though, is little children's voices when they are loud. I want to strangle Caleb from Shriners.

Posted by: Beltone Bob at December 26, 2025 10:10 AM (oftw2)

114 Sabers and pistols at the ready on the bulkhead.

Posted by: torabora at December 26, 2025 10:11 AM (TLf58)

115 Gotta go buy a cage for the two turtle doves.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 26, 2025 10:06 AM (ESVrU)

Or a roasting pan. You're going to need a huge coop by day 4, otherwise.

Posted by: GWB at December 26, 2025 10:11 AM (Nmsxc)

116 French Model 1870 cannon:

Shell Separate-loading, bagged charge and projectiles

Caliber 240 mm (9.4 in)
Breech screw
Elevation -5° to +30°

Rate of fire 1 round every two minutes

Muzzle velocity
474 m/s (1,560 ft/s) regular
500 m/s (1,600 ft/s) 1870 M
440 m/s (1,400 ft/s) armor-piercing
495 m/s (1,620 ft/s) 1870 M

Effective firing range
10 km (6.2 mi)
10.8 km (6.7 mi) 1870 M

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 26, 2025 10:12 AM (0sNs1)

117 First word out of his mouth when his daughter speaks to him is "HUH??!!!" So she yells at him so he can hear it. He follows with "Oh.....and you don't need to be so pissy!"
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025

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Miss Linda normally speaks in such a tiny voice, like Rita Rudner, that I have trouble hearing her if she's more than a few feet away. I'm pretty much okay with clerks at stores -- but now and then I find myself asking them to repeat what they've just said. It's possible they have tiny voices too.

It's also possible I might need to have my hearing checked. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 26, 2025 10:12 AM (wzUl9)

118 111 format
Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:08 AM

For Matt who?

Posted by: Geezer who won't admit to hearing loss at December 26, 2025 10:13 AM (2Ez/1)

119 Wondering: could large artillery shells have a fuse that incorporates a small flywheel on a screw thread, such that when the shell starts spinning as it goes down the bore, the flywheel's inertia causes it to turn the screw, arming an impact detonator?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:13 AM (npFr7)

120 270mm?

Almost Panzerschiff main gun calibre.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 26, 2025 10:13 AM (oP4FC)

121
Yeah, I find myself walking back in a door, asking ‘what was that again?’.
Posted by: Eromero
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Same here.
And, in case you missed my prior posts, I understand that you had a hand in a package that I received from Ben Had last week. My thanks!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:13 AM (XeU6L)

122 Gotta go buy a cage for the two turtle doves.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 26, 2025 10:06 AM (ESVrU)

Or a roasting pan. You're going to need a huge coop by day 4, otherwise.
Posted by: GWB at December 26, 2025 10:11 AM (Nmsxc)
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I'm in it for the eggs.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 26, 2025 10:13 AM (ESVrU)

123 What is apparent is municipalities and state governments had a kind of smart frugality. Fire equipment, the fire department and firemen are already being paid. Garbage trucks and snowplows would be deployed around buildings, that kind of thing. Use what you have.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 26, 2025 10:05 AM (2BdZb)
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It's all local. My liberal town sets up dump trucks as barriers now when they do street festivals, and in the event of fans getting rowdy after a football game, the tear gas will flow.

Authoritarian liberals. Full of tolerance and love and GET OFF MY LAWN. They did a bit of blaming local cops after the Floyd OD, and then swung back to "Ya know, safe neighborhoods are more important than virtue signaling."

Last fall two city council seats were won by men running on law and order/low tax platforms. A proposed tax hike was shot down with more than 60% voting "no." Quite the shock to elite sensibilities.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:14 AM (ZOv7s)

124 Hubby nec has had 3 incident that have taken away his hearing. Viet Nam sitting in a jeep next to a machine gun, covid and a recent incident where he smacked his head on an immovable object. The last may be due to damage to his sinus cavity or other areas since all those things that are connected. I finally got him to buy hearing aids about 18 months ago and he hates wearing them. He only wears them in certain instances. And yes the high pitched tones seem to be the first to go, happened with mom as well. Unless a woman has the voice of Kathleen Turner you won't be heard by my hubby. Learning to tolerate the hearing aids takes weeks and hubby nec didn't have the patience to do the time.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 26, 2025 10:15 AM (2NHgQ)

125 And the elevation wheel (?) looks polished, too.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

That wheel doesn't actually do anything. It's like the wheel they make you spin on the Safecrackers Game on the Price is Right before you yank on the door.

Posted by: Dept. of Marine and Aviation at December 26, 2025 10:15 AM (oftw2)

126 I'm in it for the eggs.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 26, 2025 10:13 AM (ESVrU)

You asked for it............

https://youtu.be/L2W8A942JWQ

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 10:16 AM (Zz0t1)

127 Canon de 27 cm, modèle 1870
Gustave Bourgain

Gustave Bourgain was appointed Painter de la Marine in 1887.
Wikipedia, in part: Peintre de la Marine (French pronunciation: [pɛ̃tʁə də la maʁin], Painter of the Fleet) is a title awarded by the minister of defence in France to artists who have devoted their talents to the sea, the French Navy and other maritime subjects. It was set up in 1830 by the July Monarchy and can be awarded to painters, photographers, illustrators, engravers, and sculptors.

Rights and privileges
Signature of Jean Rigaud as Peintre de la Marine
The title is unpaid but does grant certain facilities and privileges:
being able to embark on French Navy vessels
wearing a uniform
being allowed to follow one's artistic signature with an anchor
belonging to the Service historique de la Marine.
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I couldn't locate Canon de 27 cm, modèle 1870, shipboard until reading Wikipedia, Canon de 27 C modèle 1864.

It covers in more detail for both naval and costal carriages and on ships.

In part: "The 27 cm guns on (Ironclads) Friedland and Colbert were model 1870 guns.[31]"

AI Overview - A ship's gun crew was part of a larger ~800-man crew.

👍

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at December 26, 2025 10:18 AM (NFX2v)

128 Sabers and pistols at the ready on the bulkhead.
Posted by: torabora at December 26, 2025 10:11 AM (TLf5

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Black powder was rapidly becoming ineffective as a propellant against armor, and ships had rams fitted on them as a result.

At the battle of Lissa (1866), cannon were generally ineffective against armor, but ramming worked, so boarding actions were briefly back on the menu.

See also Royal Navy, HMS Camperdown.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:19 AM (ZOv7s)

129 My dear departed father in law had that pitch level hearing loss where he could converse with men easily, but could hardly hear anything the women said.

He said that suited him just fine.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 26, 2025 10:20 AM (xTuYU)

130 Now, that is art!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 26, 2025 10:20 AM (knl5M)

131 Morning.

TJM dropped a new video on Kurosawa. The blue suit he wears is oozing with raw animal magnetism.

https://youtu.be/wva1eQ-TFUY

Can magnets ooze?

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at December 26, 2025 10:21 AM (1Yy3c)

132 Was this particular cannon used with black powder or smokeless?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:21 AM (npFr7)

133
Effective firing range
10 km (6.2 mi)
10.8 km (6.7 mi) 1870 M
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Later, of course, but the estimated range from the Bismarck to the Hood was 11 miles when the Hood was struck. Many here appreciate the difficulty of making a 1000 yard shot, but I remain almost amazed that a 20,000 yard shot made by a cannon at sea might connect.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:21 AM (XeU6L)

134 proposed tax hike was shot down with more than 60% voting "no." Quite the shock to elite sensibilities.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:14 AM (ZOv7s)

I dream that one day my city will do this. In the 10+ years I’ve lived here every single tax increase passed. It’s always “for the children” and the electorate is retarded enough to believe it.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 26, 2025 10:22 AM (MvI35)

135 Even with Mrs. JTB's insistence, I didn't realize how much hearing loss I had. Until we had a bowl of popcorn on top of the TV and I had to have the volume so high it vibrated the bowl on to the floor. (The dogs didn't appreciate the sudden noise but enjoyed the buttered treats now available.) We called an audiologist the next day. The 'fun' part of the exam was learning my worst hearing was in the frequency range of Mrs. JTB's voice. I had the audiologist show her the read out so she knew I wasn't making it up.

Posted by: JTB at December 26, 2025 10:23 AM (yTvNw)

136 Damn nice power there.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 26, 2025 10:23 AM (ZRzmB)

137 Was this particular cannon used with black powder or smokeless?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:21 AM (npFr7)
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If it's from 1870, black powder. The bottle shape is also indicative of black powder.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:24 AM (ZOv7s)

138 Later, of course, but the estimated range from the Bismarck to the Hood was 11 miles when the Hood was struck. Many here appreciate the difficulty of making a 1000 yard shot, but I remain almost amazed that a 20,000 yard shot made by a cannon at sea might connect.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:21 AM (XeU6L)

I recollect that the captain of the Bismarck was shocked that the Hood sank with just one salvo fired, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:24 AM (npFr7)

139 Hearing aids are definitely a mixed blessing. Ambient noise, say in a restaurant, tends to mask nearby speech.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:25 AM (XeU6L)

140 Battleship battleship battleship

you usa needs to secret it'll building super sir do classy battleships

now right about all a imagine here because really thought come

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith... the anal behind anal sex at December 26, 2025 10:26 AM (ugDB8)

141 If it's from 1870, black powder. The bottle shape is also indicative of black powder.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:24 AM (ZOv7s)

Ah, thanks. Makes sense. I guess the next generation of naval artillery would have been designed for smokeless.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:26 AM (npFr7)

142 132 Was this particular cannon used with black powder or smokeless?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Type of Powder: These guns started with standard black powder but were later modified (Mle 1870 M) to use slower-burning, higher-quality powders like Belgian Wetteren, allowing for bigger charges.
Loading: It was a muzzle-loading cannon, meaning powder was loaded from the front, followed by wadding and then the projectile.
Powder Charge: The modified 24 cm version (related to your 27cm inquiry) used around 46 kg of powder for a significant velocity boost.
Purpose: Used on naval ironclads (like Colbert-class) and coastal defenses, these big guns were essential for their time, relying on chemical propellant (gunpowder)

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at December 26, 2025 10:27 AM (NFX2v)

143 If everyone bought my products, hearing aids would be a relic of the past.

Posted by: Mr. Microphone And Ear Trumpet Consortium at December 26, 2025 10:27 AM (oftw2)

144 I kinda give zero fucks about navy ships. But if it angers ASS and the rest of the leftist vermin I’m all in.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 26, 2025 10:27 AM (MvI35)

145 I dream that one day my city will do this. In the 10+ years I’ve lived here every single tax increase passed. It’s always “for the children” and the electorate is retarded enough to believe it.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 26, 2025 10:22 AM (MvI35)
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It's been brewing for a while. A bit issue is generational turnover. The Boomers are moving on - either to the Great Beyond or assisted living, and young families are replacing them. Truth be told, this is a super kid-friendly town.

What that means is that a higher percentage of homeowners have to pay property tax and city income tax. When the population skewed older, a big chunk of voters were exempt. Now a younger generation wants some tax relief. Our income tax has a sunset coming up, and the sense is that it will not be renewed. It only narrowly passed in the first place, and again, a bunch of it was liberals voting to tax someone else.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:27 AM (ZOv7s)

146 Lutsjen shouldn't have been shocked, it was amazing how many British battlecruisers simply blew up at Jutland.

It didn't help things that Hood and Prince of Wales first mistook Prinz Eugen for Bismarck so wasted several salvos on the cruiser.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 26, 2025 10:27 AM (oP4FC)

147 I had the audiologist show her the read out so she knew I wasn't making it up.

I'm sorry. It is amusing the way you phrased it, however.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 26, 2025 10:28 AM (ix8EF)

148 What is the effective range on such a cannon, is what most people would want to know.

The 16 in. guns on the Iowa class battleships were able to hit targets approx 20 miles away. That’s some good shootin’.
Posted by: Common Tater

And they figured firing solutions with a slide rule.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 10:28 AM (c115l)

149 I remain almost amazed that a 20,000 yard shot made by a cannon at sea might connect.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

**********

Hard to know whether to attribute that to skill or luck. The rail guns deployed against the Anzio beachhead rarely hit any significant target. They also could not sustain a barrage for long due to Allied air superiority, and would generally wheel out of their hiding spot, lob a small handful of shells and then scamper back into hiding.

The bigger impact was the randomness and the sound of an incoming shell, described as "like a freight train." Quite terrifying.

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:28 AM (/iMjX)

150 but I remain almost amazed that a 20,000 yard shot made by a cannon at sea might connect.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:21 AM (XeU6L)

That was a lucky shot, combined with poor design.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2025 10:28 AM (n9ltV)

151 Ah, thanks. Makes sense. I guess the next generation of naval artillery would have been designed for smokeless.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:26 AM (npFr7)
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Smokeless powder needed both the chemistry to make it, and the metallurgy to handle it. I think naval guns lagged small arms because building something that big took time to figure out.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:29 AM (ZOv7s)

152 Learning to tolerate the hearing aids takes weeks and hubby nec didn't have the patience to do the time.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 26, 2025 10:15 AM (2NHgQ)

My mom bought a pair for my father for their wedding anniversary about eight months before she died.

He tried them for a few hours one morning after she bought them, and even after it was explained that he’d need to adjust the volume and wear them a few weeks to get used to them, he declared that “Everything is too loud” and never put them on again.

They are still sitting in their charger box in the same place he left them.

If they are still working I might try them in ten or twenty years when I go deaf.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 26, 2025 10:29 AM (6ydKt)

153 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. This reminds me of a little bit of artillery punch. Where's Bif? He knows.
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 26, 2025 10:31 AM (2WIwB)

154 Iowa class battleshipshave these marvelous mechanical computers to compute firing solutions.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 26, 2025 10:31 AM (oP4FC)

155 Hard to know whether to attribute that to skill or luck.

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:28 AM (/iMjX)
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Anzio Annie was firing blind. No spotting. No correction. It was a nuisance/terror weapon.

In naval gunnery they watch the fall of the shot and do correction, and as ranges extended, they had "clocks" on the masts so that other ships could adjust fire knowing what their neighbors were shooting at.

Pretty amazing stuff in terms of applied math.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:31 AM (ZOv7s)

156 Loading: It was a muzzle-loading cannon, meaning powder was loaded from the front, followed by wadding and then the projectile.
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Pretty sure this was breech-loading

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:32 AM (XeU6L)

157 Hearing aids are definitely a mixed blessing. Ambient noise, say in a restaurant, tends to mask nearby speech.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:25 AM (XeU6L)

True, dat. Hearing aids also amplify the noise. My own hearing loss makes for me being unable to focus my hearing on the desired source of the sound I want to hear.

So a deaf guy gets Elon Musk's neuralink implant, couple to an AI, so that his hearing aids can be focused precisely. He goes back to the doctor a few days later. "They don't work. I went to the strip club, and didn't hear a damned thing." Doctor says, "well, tits don't make any noise."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:32 AM (npFr7)

158 > The 'fun' part of the exam was learning my worst hearing was in the frequency range of Mrs. JTB's voice. I had the audiologist show her the read out so she knew I wasn't making it up.
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My wife, and her daughter, mumble. I swear I do not understand a word either of them say when they slip into this mode of talking. Several times a day I'll have to get my wife to repeat what she's trying to say to me. I had a hearing test years ago about this. It was normal.

So, I ask the audiologist what the deal is with my wife and her daughter and he says "some people mumble when they talk." Nothing to do about it.

I can claim ignorance about a lot of stuff this way...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 26, 2025 10:32 AM (NwnyJ)

159 Hmmm...

Posted by: Freud at December 26, 2025 10:33 AM (Fju+s)

160 The KMS Blucher was a new Nazi Cruiser, the flagship of the invasion of Norway in 1940. A 1908 shore battery hit, followed by shore-based torpedoes took out the new ship, sending it to the bottom of the fjord. The delay with rescuing sailors and such, slowed the invasion enough that the Royal Family, Cabinet, and nations gold was evacuated to England. I think it was an 11-inch gun, probably a lot like this one.

Posted by: Nordisk Tidende at December 26, 2025 10:34 AM (oftw2)

161 OT

The Utah tranny parent murderer had been previously diagnosed with ADHD, OCD, anxiety, depression, psychosis, possible bipolar with psychosis and schizophrenia.

I guess when the judge "threw the book at" him, it was the DSM-5.

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:34 AM (/iMjX)

162 Willowed from last thread because of 100 comment rule:

My long-time mechanic is always saying with astonishment how people will buy these upper-end cars, Mercedes, BMW, etc., and then let the upkeep slide until the bill is $$$. After my teen years riding buses and cadging rides from increasingly-reluctant friends, I am so *glad* to have a car -- let alone a great and reliable one -- that I am very careful to maintain it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

BMW has applied gor a patent for a new screw head type that will be proprietary and only BMW technicians will have the tools. Supposedly for frame & sub frame to keep people from DIY.

https://tinyurl.com/u23xpk4b

Yeah. Right. Solution?

Bud Light Treatment.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 10:35 AM (c115l)

163 Pretty sure this was breech-loading
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:32 AM (XeU6L)

That's what SHE said.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 26, 2025 10:35 AM (Fju+s)

164 Later, of course, but the estimated range from the Bismarck to the Hood was 11 miles when the Hood was struck. Many here appreciate the difficulty of making a 1000 yard shot, but I remain almost amazed that a 20,000 yard shot made by a cannon at sea might connect.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:21 AM (XeU6L)

If I recall from the book “Sink the Bismarck” the German guns were shooting in a high parabolic arc so that the shells would be dropping straight down and would pierce the deck.
Still some incredible calculations to get that right.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 26, 2025 10:35 AM (xTuYU)

165 Pretty sure this was breech-loading
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:32 AM (XeU6L)
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Very much so. Muzzle-loaders would have a rounded breech.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 26, 2025 10:36 AM (ZOv7s)

166 Perfect example of the tax attitude in my town is one my my kids’ friend’s parents. Mom
And dad, married, 3 kids. They’re pretty cool, never heard anything political from them. Never see any political signs on their lawn, no stickers on the cars, etc. They go to church. The dad is into dirt bikes with his sons. Not exactly leftists.

Except then it comes to bond measures for skooools. Then it’s like invasion of the body snatchers. They have big VOTE YES sign on the lawn.

And that’s basically my town. Conservative area, Republican, but has a hard on for high local taxes for the children, and for our heroes the popo and firefighters. Oh and libraries. They do love them the libraries for some reason.

It’s a bizarre situation.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 26, 2025 10:36 AM (MvI35)

167 True, dat. Hearing aids also amplify the noise. My own hearing loss makes for me being unable to focus my hearing on the desired source of the sound I want to hear.

So a deaf guy gets Elon Musk's neuralink implant, couple to an AI, so that his hearing aids can be focused precisely. He goes back to the doctor a few days later. "They don't work. I went to the strip club, and didn't hear a damned thing." Doctor says, "well, tits don't make any noise."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

*squeeze me*

Posted by: tits

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 10:36 AM (c115l)

168 "... but I remain almost amazed that a 20,000 yard shot made by a cannon at sea might connect."

A million to one shot doc!

Posted by: Frank Costanza at December 26, 2025 10:37 AM (2Ez/1)

169 I would guess that the number of hearings aids bought by the VA and lost or never worn, would number in the many millions.

Posted by: Where'd I Put Them Things? at December 26, 2025 10:37 AM (oftw2)

170 And that’s basically my town. Conservative area, Republican, but has a hard on for high local taxes for the children, and for our heroes the popo and firefighters. Oh and libraries.

They do love them the libraries for some reason.

It’s a bizarre situation.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

Baby sitters.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 10:37 AM (c115l)

171 The Utah tranny parent murderer had been previously diagnosed with ADHD, OCD, anxiety, depression, psychosis, possible bipolar with psychosis and schizophrenia.

I guess when the judge "threw the book at" him, it was the DSM-5.
Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:34 AM (/iMjX)

Whenever I see a laundry list of diagnoses, I think of the blind men and the elephant.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 26, 2025 10:38 AM (Fju+s)

172 Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:34 AM (/iMjX)

I laughed. Thx.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 26, 2025 10:39 AM (ix8EF)

173 It's kwanzaa!!
Can pride month be far behind?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 26, 2025 10:40 AM (Kt19C)

174 He tried them for a few hours one morning after she bought them, and even after it was explained that he’d need to adjust the volume and wear them a few weeks to get used to them, he declared that “Everything is too loud” and never put them on again.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 26, 2025 10:29 AM (6ydKt)

My mother was the same way, but this was back in the mid to late 90s. Needed hearing aids, got hearing aids, hated wearing hearing aids, declared they were broken and never wore them again.

Had to repeat everything to her sixty bajillion times before she understood you. Got super annoyed if you asked her to repeat back something if it was important.

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at December 26, 2025 10:40 AM (1Yy3c)

175 156 Loading: It was a muzzle-loading cannon, meaning powder was loaded from the front, followed by wadding and then the projectile.
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Pretty sure this was breech-loading
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:32 AM (XeU6L)

The semi-circular track hanging from the ceiling behind the gun is for the shell handling rig.

Posted by: capercaillie4901 at December 26, 2025 10:41 AM (f1WVr)

176 One interesting bit about the German WWII rail guns is the fact that the gun carriage had very little ability to traverse (side to side) so for directional aiming had to be located at a curved section of rail line, and the train would move along the curve until the barrel was pointed in the right direction. It wasn't a terribly precise aiming technique.

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:42 AM (/iMjX)

177 My mother was the same way, but this was back in the mid to late 90s. Needed hearing aids, got hearing aids, hated wearing hearing aids, declared they were broken and never wore them again.

Had to repeat everything to her sixty bajillion times before she understood you. Got super annoyed if you asked her to repeat back something if it was important.
Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at December 26, 2025 10:40 AM (1Yy3c)

The tech has significantly improved over the past decade.

People I know who complain about them, when I ask how long ago they got theirs, and they say "Oh, about 20 years ago," I try to convince them to get new ones, but if they made up their minds 20 years ago, it's hard to get them to change it now.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 26, 2025 10:42 AM (Fju+s)

178 Pretty sure this was breech-loading
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:32 AM (XeU6L)

The semi-circular track hanging from the ceiling behind the gun is for the shell handling rig.
Posted by: capercaillie4901 at December 26, 2025 10:41 AM

The French 1870 is breech-loading.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 26, 2025 10:43 AM (0sNs1)

179 icymi (from the 23rd)

https://is.gd/jA5bpv

@ChiefEngineerCE
A federal judge just upheld Trump's authority to impose a $100,000 fee on new H-1B visas.

Let the meltdowns begin.....

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 26, 2025 10:44 AM (ULPxl)

180 The clothing he's wearing looks comfortable, almost fluffy. Like a cross between an artillery man and the snuggle fabric softener bear.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 26, 2025 10:44 AM (3uBP9)

181 It wasn't a terribly precise aiming technique.
Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:42 AM (/iMjX)

Like going to bed with a fat chick.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 26, 2025 10:44 AM (Fju+s)

182 BMW has applied gor a patent for a new screw head type that will be proprietary and only BMW technicians will have the tools. Supposedly for frame & sub frame to keep people from DIY.

https://tinyurl.com/u23xpk4b

Yeah. Right. Solution?

Bud Light Treatment.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 10:35 AM (c115l)

Article refers to a Phillips (presumably) screwdriver as a "cross". Causes me to doubt the veracity of the rest of it.

It would be real easy to take a small die grinder and modify the tip of a worn-out Phillips driver into a two-segment tip to fit that screw.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:45 AM (npFr7)

183 @106 Length: about 3 ½ ft. Wt.: over
500 lbs.

*********

Now THAT would be a doozie for a muzzle loaded gun!

That's a quarter of a ton.

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:46 AM (/iMjX)

184 AoS QA
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 10:00 AM (Zz0t1)
====

Doing QA around here is quite a task I assure.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 26, 2025 10:47 AM (9ipOP)

185 The French 1870 is breech-loading.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 26, 2025 10:43 AM (0sNs1)

The French 75 is muzzle loading.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2025 10:47 AM (n9ltV)

186 Dammit my server cycled

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 26, 2025 10:47 AM (9ipOP)

187 Hooterville, and the entire Valley, was a peaceable place and we never had to fire the rail gun on the Cannonball Express, though once we were tempted when the Pixley Picayune plagarized editor Sam Drucker's copy in the Hooterville World Guardian.

Posted by: Charley and Floyd at December 26, 2025 10:47 AM (oftw2)

188 Except then it comes to bond measures for skooools. Then it’s like invasion of the body snatchers. They have big VOTE YES sign on the lawn.

I drive past two schools when I enter/leave my subdivision. The teachers all drive nicer cars than I have. I'm always pretty leery about school bonds.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 26, 2025 10:47 AM (ExV1e)

189 The Utah tranny parent murderer had been previously diagnosed with ADHD, OCD, anxiety, depression, psychosis, possible bipolar with psychosis and schizophrenia.

I guess when the judge "threw the book at" him, it was the DSM-5.
Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:34 AM (/iMjX)

Whenever I see a laundry list of diagnoses, I think of the blind men and the elephant.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 26, 2025 10:38 AM (Fju+s)

If it's a tranny, the true diagnosis is "batshit crazy".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:48 AM (npFr7)

190 federal judge just upheld Trump's authority to impose a $100,000 fee on new H-1B visas.

Let the meltdowns begin.....
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

It’s not going to do much. H1Bs are for 3 years with an extension up to 6 years. So the $100k is really $16,600 a year.

Is it nothing? No. But it’s still nowhere near the difference between H1B and US salaries. An H1B is paid $50-60/h a comparable American gets $100+.

That $16k a year is made up by February.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 26, 2025 10:49 AM (MvI35)

191 It would be real easy to take a small die grinder and modify the tip of a worn-out Phillips driver into a two-segment tip to fit that screw.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:45 AM (npFr7)

Or manufacture them in quantity, sell them on EBay, and tell the Krauts to go f*ck themselves.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2025 10:49 AM (n9ltV)

192 'I know a thing or two about loading my breeches!"

/Joe B.

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:50 AM (/iMjX)

193 My MIL can't hear a thing but still refuses to get a hearing aid because she claims she hears just fine, it's just that everyone else mumbles...she's getting little dementia, can't remember a thing at age 90 and just screams at everyone to speak up!

When we tell her she's deaf she says weird stuff like "you should hear my friends!"

Posted by: Boswell at December 26, 2025 10:50 AM (BGfwC)

194 I can claim ignorance about a lot of stuff this way...
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 26, 2025 10:32 AM (NwnyJ)
====

Mrs. F. talks to herself then gets mad when I never heard what she said.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 26, 2025 10:51 AM (9ipOP)

195 Guaranteed you can visit the poorest county in the U.S.A., drive around a bit, and you’ll find a brandy new Tai Mahal School Administration Building.

It’s for the Children, you see

Posted by: Common Tater at December 26, 2025 10:52 AM (2BdZb)

196 Isn't there already a Japanese phillips-type screw that's just a little different?

Posted by: Tool Time at December 26, 2025 10:52 AM (oftw2)

197 Somehow Stranger Things managed to become even more gay than it already is. Second to last episode is quite the shark jump.

Posted by: Max Power at December 26, 2025 10:52 AM (Qo/XF)

198 Ah, thanks. Makes sense. I guess the next generation of naval artillery would have been designed for smokeless.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
======
Not much talked about but semi smokeless (adding nitrocellulose to black powder) or duplex loading for awhile was a thing as well using a small charge of smokeless powder to set off the larger black powder charge. Navies did it in reverse using a small blackpowder charge to set off the larger smokeless main charge.

Schuetzen rifle shooters often loaded duplex loads as the nitrocellulose burned hotter and reduced fouling of the blackpowder. Not recommended for experimentation for the most part for all but the most experienced reloaders and definitely not appropriate for antiques or black powder only guns due to pressures generated being rather unpredictable.

Lesmok and Kings were examples of commercial semi smokeless powders and loaded ammo available roughly coinciding with the rise and fall of mercuric primers.

1901 US Navy Institute Proceedings article discussing smokeless powder in naval cannons
https://tinyurl.com/ytd6pe38

Posted by: whig at December 26, 2025 10:53 AM (WDjG6)

199 Always vote No on bond issues.
Always.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 26, 2025 10:54 AM (2Ez/1)

200 The French should have shelled Haiti with that gun and saved the world a lot of trouble.

Posted by: Basket Case at December 26, 2025 10:54 AM (oftw2)

201 After Christmas shopping done - all beef hamburgers, chicken thighs and arugula (with some "holiday" air dried ramen and chips ahoy cookie butter cookies for the kids b/c they destroyed all my holiday baking) all highly discounted b/c the store was closed yesterday, so they sat for a day unsold. The true bargains of Dec 26...vs the wrapping paper and trinkets.

Now to watch sleet fall all day off and on...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 26, 2025 10:54 AM (tOcjL)

202 Dammit my server cycled
——

Sounds like a personal problem!

Posted by: Common Tater at December 26, 2025 10:54 AM (2BdZb)

203 Isn't there already a Japanese phillips-type screw that's just a little different?
Posted by: Tool Time at December 26, 2025 10:52 AM (oftw2)

There is. There is also something called Posi-Drive, which looks like a Phillips, but isn't.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 26, 2025 10:55 AM (npFr7)

204 I would guess that the number of hearings aids bought by the VA and lost or never worn, would number in the many millions.
Posted by: Where'd I Put Them Things?

[steps into shower, has a Niagra Falls moment]

Crap! Forgot to take the damned hearing aids out...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:55 AM (XeU6L)

205 NPR actual headline.

Christmas is over. Here's what to do with your holiday trash

Lol

Leftists are so fucking retarded they need to be told how to throw away garbage after Christmas. What a time to be alive.

I also like how it’s “holiday” trash even though Christmas is over. So what holiday is the trash from then?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 26, 2025 10:55 AM (MvI35)

206 It’s not going to do much. H1Bs are for 3 years with an extension up to 6 years. So the $100k is really $16,600 a year.

Is it nothing? No. But it’s still nowhere near the difference between H1B and US salaries. An H1B is paid $50-60/h a comparable American gets $100+.

That $16k a year is made up by February.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 26, 2025 10:49 AM (MvI35)

The $16K partly pays the welfare cost of the American they didn't hire...better than nothing...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 26, 2025 10:55 AM (tOcjL)

207 Isn't there already a Japanese phillips-type screw that's just a little different?

**********
Code name:

"Toorx, Torx, Torx"

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:55 AM (/iMjX)

208 The tech has significantly improved over the past decade.

People I know who complain about them, when I ask how long ago they got theirs, and they say "Oh, about 20 years ago," I try to convince them to get new ones, but if they made up their minds 20 years ago, it's hard to get them to change it now.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 26, 2025 10:42 AM (Fju+s)

Dude!

Duuuuuuuude!

I'd tell her that a lot. I'd say, "Mom, things have improved, go look again." After much pestering she did go shopping around. Looked at the super duper expensive ones. "It costs too much!" Gave up again.

She was pretty bull headed about it.

Then I read shit about hearing loss and its connection to dementia (she had it at the very end) and I just shake my head.

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at December 26, 2025 10:55 AM (1Yy3c)

209 Love the painting.
Will wear St Barbara's Medal today.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 26, 2025 10:56 AM (2WIwB)

210 Guaranteed you can visit the poorest county in the U.S.A., drive around a bit, and you’ll find a brandy new Tai Mahal School Administration Building.

It’s for the Children, you see
Posted by: Common Tater at December 26, 2025 10:52 AM (2BdZb)

Then go find the courthouse. Even if the building itself is old and crumbling, the law office buildings around it are very nice. And just a few blocks away from the courthouse, the residential houses are big and lovely.

Guess who lives in those houses.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 26, 2025 10:56 AM (Fju+s)

211 There is. There is also something called Posi-Drive, which looks like a Phillips, but isn't.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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JIS. I keep a seperate set of bits.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 10:56 AM (XeU6L)

212 Somehow Stranger Things managed to become even more gay than it already is. Second to last episode is quite the shark jump.

Posted by: Max Power at December 26, 2025 10:52 AM (Qo/XF)

Thanks for the heads up. I am late to the party, and I don't want to become invested in something that ends up in a giant, retarded, gay F-pile.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 26, 2025 10:57 AM (dK+Kv)

213 Dammit my server cycled...

********

I'm old enough to remember when car hops used roller skates instead.

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:57 AM (/iMjX)

214 The painting is great. I'm glad they didn't show the rest of the ship, as French pre-dreadnaughts were _ugly_.
And other links I can't find in a hurry.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ygXLnRAm-A

Posted by: Nathan at December 26, 2025 10:58 AM (joVRR)

215 Then I read shit about hearing loss and its connection to dementia (she had it at the very end) and I just shake my head.

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at December 26, 2025 10:55 AM (1Yy3c)

I pushed my mom to wear her hearing aids for exactly that reason. Isolation from hearing loss is a driver of dementia.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2025 10:58 AM (n9ltV)

216 I drive past two schools when I enter/leave my subdivision. The teachers all drive nicer cars than I have"

There's an elementary and Jr high within a half mile... the parking lots are full of lower end BMW, Audi, Benz... with the occasional Tesla. It's unreal...

Posted by: man at December 26, 2025 10:58 AM (XuXeR)

217 My World War II ETO Uncle vet didn’t talk too much about the war. He had a few eye openers. One of them, he said the Wehrmacht was issued good ammunition, that was truly smokeless. He said it was very difficult to locate where they were firing from.

Conversely US troops were issued a very dirty ammo that smoked terribly, giving their position away. Quantity does have a quality all its own, but that didn’t seem to mollify him too much.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 26, 2025 10:59 AM (2BdZb)

218 My county recently built a really nice new courthouse building. It wasn’t over the top but it wasn’t really needed. The old one was just fine.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 26, 2025 10:59 AM (MvI35)

219 I'd tell her that a lot. I'd say, "Mom, things have improved, go look again." After much pestering she did go shopping around. Looked at the super duper expensive ones. "It costs too much!" Gave up again.

She was pretty bull headed about it.

Then I read shit about hearing loss and its connection to dementia (she had it at the very end) and I just shake my head.
Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at December 26, 2025 10:55 AM (1Yy3c)

Yes, it's often not just about the hearing.

The thing is though, the newer hearing aids are NOT very expensive. They're pretty cheap. It's kinda like how home computers were thousands of dollars back in the 90s, and you had about 500MB of storage, with 64MB of memory... and you could add new memory sticks for hundreds of dollars!

Now a desktop with terabytes is a few hundred bucks.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 26, 2025 10:59 AM (Fju+s)

220 Now, that's art right there, buddy!

Posted by: Paco at December 26, 2025 11:00 AM (2L+MU)

221 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 26, 2025 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)

222 Then I read shit about hearing loss and its connection to dementia"

Mom's neurologist and GP say her vascular dementia has had an impact on hearing...

Posted by: man at December 26, 2025 11:02 AM (XuXeR)

223 My county recently built a really nice new courthouse building. It wasn’t over the top but it wasn’t really needed. The old one was just fine.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
--------

The needs of the bureaucracies always outweigh the well-being of the community.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 26, 2025 11:02 AM (XeU6L)

224 There's an elementary and Jr high within a half mile... the parking lots are full of lower end BMW, Audi, Benz... with the occasional Tesla. It's unreal...
Posted by: man at December 26, 2025 10:58 AM (XuXeR)

To be fair, a lot of those teachers are driving nice cars because their ex-husbands had to relinquish the cars in the divorce settlement.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 26, 2025 11:02 AM (Fju+s)

225 I also like how it’s “holiday” trash even though Christmas is over.
——-

Christmas itself is trash. That’s their story. You’re destroying the Planet with your superstition.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 26, 2025 11:03 AM (2BdZb)

226 AI Overview, in part -

French systems were more advanced, developing an effective interrupted-screw obturator (sealing mechanism) in 1872 with the De Bange system, which would eventually become the standard for large-caliber naval artillery. French ironclads built in the 1870s, such as the Colbert class, were equipped with breech-loading guns like the Canon de 24 C modèle 1870.

The universal transition to large-caliber breech-loading guns on ironclads was a gradual process that occurred throughout the 1870s and 1880s. A serious accident on board the British HMS Thunderer in 1879, where a muzzle-loading gun exploded because it had been double-loaded, highlighted the safety risks of muzzle-loading systems and was a pivotal event that led the Royal Navy to decisively change to breech-loaders.

By the mid-1880s, breech-loading rifled cannons had largely superseded muzzle-loaders as the primary armament on warships worldwide, allowing for longer barrels, higher projectile velocities, and improved armor penetration.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at December 26, 2025 11:03 AM (NFX2v)

227 When my mom was first showing signs of early dementia she kept tapping at her ear one day trying to get her hearing aid to work. Turns out she had reached into her purse and managed to stick a cherry cough drop into her ear.

Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 11:04 AM (/iMjX)

228
There's an elementary and Jr high within a half mile... the parking lots are full of lower end BMW, Audi, Benz... with the occasional Tesla. It's unreal...
Posted by: man at December 26, 2025 10:58 AM (XuXeR)

Eh lower end MBs cost about what a full
Loaded Camry costs.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 26, 2025 11:05 AM (MvI35)

229 It’s not going to do much. H1Bs are for 3 years with an extension up to 6 years. So the $100k is really $16,600 a year.

Is it nothing? No. But it’s still nowhere near the difference between H1B and US salaries. An H1B is paid $50-60/h a comparable American gets $100+.

That $16k a year is made up by February.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

Is that $100k upfront? Because shelling out $100k upfront for 100 H1b's changes the equation, regardless of how it breaks down.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 26, 2025 11:06 AM (c115l)

230 Is that $100k upfront? Because shelling out $100k upfront for 100 H1b's changes the equation, regardless of how it breaks down.
Posted by: rickb223

Upfront. The new rule on prevailing wages takes it out of employer's hands to determine as well. H1B workers have to be paid prevailing wage using three sources only. The Gubmint itself, an authoritative body (usually professional socieites), or hiring an expensive expert analyst to do a study for that particular job. The last two can be challenged by Dept of Labor, only the first is a safe harbor.

Cont.

Posted by: whig at December 26, 2025 11:09 AM (WDjG6)

231 >>> Dammit my server cycled...

********

I'm old enough to remember when car hops used roller skates instead.
Posted by: muldoon at December 26, 2025 10:57 AM (/iMjX)

I was a teenager going to lunch at the nearby McD when the girl looked at me after my order and said, "Sir, it's going to be a moment while we rotate your nuggets", I gave her a head tilt and then we both laughed our asses off.

Posted by: banana Dream at December 26, 2025 11:10 AM (3uBP9)

232 H1b fee of $100k applies,
"The supplemental $100,000 payment applies to:

H-1B petitions filed on or after September 21, 2025, for individuals who are outside the United States and do not hold a valid H-1B visa; and
Petitions requesting consular processing (visa issuance abroad), port of entry notification, or pre-flight inspection for beneficiaries inside the U.S.
The payment also applies if:

A petition requests a change of status, amendment, or extension of stay, and USCIS finds the individual is ineligible for these requests (e.g., not in a valid non-immigrant status), or
The individual departs the U.S. before the petition is adjudicated."

It applies to the 3 yr extension requests. From the USCIS website.

Posted by: whig at December 26, 2025 11:10 AM (WDjG6)

233 My mother ignored her hearing aids, too. When I tried to help her, I realized a big part of the problem was her hands were too arthritic to manage inserting and removing them.

Posted by: Wenda at December 26, 2025 11:12 AM (FRS+s)

234 The payment also applies if:

A petition requests a change of status, amendment, or extension of stay, and USCIS finds the individual is ineligible for these requests (e.g., not in a valid non-immigrant status), or
The individual departs the U.S. before the petition is adjudicated."

It applies to the 3 yr extension requests. From the USCIS website.

Posted by: whig at December 26, 2025 11:10 AM (WDjG6)

If . . . AND . . . .

So it applies IF the "USCIS finds the individual is ineligible for these requests (e.g., not in a valid non-immigrant status) . . . ." I read that not in a valid H1B status or similar non-immigrant statuses of which I am not currently aware.* That sounds like a small subset of overall H1Bs to my reading.

*Or also left the U.S., basically restarting H1B process.

And nood.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 26, 2025 11:22 AM (dK+Kv)

235 Late to the party. But pretty sure I was the anonymous commenter.

cANON -- ANONymous

Posted by: scottst at December 26, 2025 11:48 AM (yjKqP)

236 I assume the BMWs and Tesla are the Cultural Marxists Seminaries teachers not the elementary students

Posted by: Skip at December 26, 2025 11:54 AM (Ia/+0)

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