THE MORNING RANT: After $32B in Losses, Ford Throws in the Towel on EVs – There Will Not Be a Full-Size Electric Pickup Truck

Ford Motor Company has announced that it is de-transitioning from the “EV Transition.” Specifically, Ford has finally given up on the eco-globalist dream of an all-EV future, and the company will no longer try to cram recalcitrant consumers into electric vehicles.

“Ford Writes Down $19.5 billion As It Pivots Electric Lightning Line of Vehicles” [Fortune – 12/15/2025]

This is a huge victory for liberty-loving Americans. Left-wing zealots had specifically targeted gasoline-powered vehicles in their battle against carbon-fueled freedom. The rejection of EVs by American consumers was a populist political statement, and Ford executives found themselves in the position of having to either remain loyal to the enviro-communists in Davos, which would have killed off the company, or finally accept that consumers will not acquiesce to an unelected green dictatorship.

More specifically, Ford has finally acknowledged that there is just not a market for an all-electric pickup truck. Not only has the Ford F150 ~~Conflagration~~ Lightning been canceled, but Ford will not even attempt to produce another full-size electric pickup. Of note, the gas/diesel F150 is America’s best-selling vehicle.

Ford CEO Jim Farley is quoted as saying, “Instead of plowing billions into the future knowing these large EVs will never make money, we are pivoting.”

Mr. Farley’s catastrophic EV misadventure has now cost Ford over $32 billion in losses. Ford had already lost $13 billion over the past four years on its “Model E” program (or “Model E-dsel” as some have joked), and the company is now about to realize another $19 billion loss in unwinding the EV mess.

To put the magnitude of Ford’s $32 billion EV loss into context, Ford’s total profit over the past seven years was about $31 billion. Some back-of-the-envelope math shows me that Ford will have lost almost $100,000 for every EV it has ever sold.

Some people are arguing that Ford was just a victim of Obama/Biden era mandates, but Toyota and Honda deftly navigated through those years without committing to an all-EV future in the manner that Ford and General Motors did.

This $20 billion write down is above and beyond the $10 billion+ that the EV debacle has already cost Ford. It’s great news that Ford is finally giving up on the EV folly, but this costly disaster didn’t have to happen. Toyota & Honda wisely showed restraint during peak EV hype.
— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) December 15, 2025

To be fair to Mr. Farley, he answers to a weak Board of Directors which is apparently obedient to the Ford family. Meanwhile, the Ford family retains a powerful voting share of the company’s stock. Bill Ford has maneuvered himself into a powerful position within the Ford family voting bloc and on the Board. Mr. Ford is also a hard-left environmentalist who for decades has been trying to make Ford into a green company that would impress his communist friends in Davos. Jim Farley’s commitment to EVs was almost certainly at the direction of Bill Ford.

I can only surmise what is going on within the Ford family as Bill Ford and Jim Farley drove the company into a $32 billion ditch, but I am guessing that some family members have finally said “enough.”

Despite the great news about Ford terminating any future all-electric F150, there are clearly some “green” bones being thrown to Bill Ford. The company is promising at some future date to release an extended range “EREV” pickup that will have a gasoline-powered generator alongside an electric drivetrain. That sounds just as preposterous as the concept behind plug-in hybrids.

Ford has also announced that it is getting into the industrial-scale battery electric storage systems business, also knowns as “BESS.” Let me be the first to confidently predict that there will be a multi-billion-dollar write-off for Ford’s BESS distraction in coming years.

“Ford to convert EV battery plants to make battery storage for data centers” [Elektrek – 12/15/2025]

Ford is jumping into the battery energy storage business, betting that booming demand from data centers and the electric grid can absorb the EV battery capacity it says it’s not using. To achieve this, Ford plans to repurpose its existing EV battery manufacturing capacity in Glendale, Kentucky, into a dedicated hub for manufacturing battery energy storage systems. Ford says it will invest about $2 billion over the next two years to scale the new business.

Ford getting involved in battery storage systems makes as much sense as when Exxon decided to manufacture and sell office machinery. But I understand in part why Ford is doing this. Specifically, without the BESS announcement, Ford would have to own up to another multi-billion-dollar write-off for the zombie Kentucky battery plant. Plus, with this BESS project, Bill Ford can still feel proud that the company is engaging in a form of green, save-the-world posturing.

For those of us Tennessee taxpayers who kicked in almost a billion dollars toward Ford’s new electric truck plant (“Blue Oval City”, there may be some good news. Concurrent with these other major changes in direction, Ford has announced that the never-used, Memphis-area plant will be repurposed toward the manufacture of gasoline powered pickup trucks - but not until 2029. That would be great, but again, I fear that this is really just a stalling tactic to avoid yet another multi-billion dollar write-off. So long as Ford keeps promising production out of that plant at some date in the far-away future, the state of Tennessee can’t claw back the bad investment it made, and Ford keeps the massive loss off of its books – at least for a few more years.

Even though Ford still has a long way to go to fully extricate itself from its negligent EV commitment, killing off its flagship EV and promising that there will never be an all-electric full-size pickup truck is a monumental milestone.

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An article I wrote titled “Banks Are Racially Profiling Mortgage Applicants — The Government Requires It” has been published by The American Spectator.

As crazy as it sounds, if a mortgage applicant won’t disclose his race and ethnicity, the banker is required to visually profile the customer and report that customer’s racial appearance to the government. Bank of America was fined by the Commercial Financial Protection Bureau and some of its bankers were disciplined because they chose not to engage government-mandated racial profiling.

I’d be honored if you’d give it a read. (This article is not blocked by a paywall.)

From me at The American Spectator: “Banks Are Racially Profiling Mortgage Applicants - The Government Requires It”

If a loan applicant won’t reveal his ethnic bloodline, the banker is required to visually assess racial features & report them to the gov’t.https://t.co/PsPj48S1XP
— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) December 17, 2025

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 First

Posted by: BifBewalski - at December 19, 2025 11:00 AM (QVmho)

2 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

3 Yeah, baaaby

Posted by: BifBewalski - at December 19, 2025 11:00 AM (QVmho)

4 I will not take Ford seriously until they fire their entire executive board.

They suck at their jobs.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

5 "You can't fight the future! EVs were the fastest growing market for cars 5 years ago!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 19, 2025 11:02 AM (GBKbO)

6 Oh this is good, I've been waiting for this post all week, I knew you had to write it!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:02 AM (uWKK8)

7 No splodey trucks?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 19, 2025 11:02 AM (Kt19C)

8 Right after i hit post the 2nd time, Smash called me into the kitchen to get a pan down from the high shelf for her.

Just barley made it.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at December 19, 2025 11:02 AM (QVmho)

9 Ford is finally giving up on the EV folly, but this costly disaster didn’t have to happen. Toyota & Honda wisely showed restraint during peak EV hype.

— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) December 15, 2025

Honda, at one point, declared they were going ALL EV by 2035 or some such, I believe.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)

10 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2025 11:03 AM (iJa5t)

11 I admit that I have thought Ford was headed for a bankruptcy court because I didn't believe they could take a $19.5 billion dollar write off and survive. But looks like they are even bigger than I realized.

They all truly believed that the US Government was going to force things to where they had a winning position.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:04 AM (uWKK8)

12 Kentucky was also in on the grift.

GLENDALE, Ky. (WDRB) — Kentucky invested $250 million in taxpayer money to bring BlueOval SK to the state.

This week, every worker at the Glendale electric vehicle battery plant was laid off.. The shutdown affects all 1,600 employees at the facility and comes after a series of delays, including the decision never to open a second plant known as “Kentucky 2.”

The layoffs also come just four months after production began at Kentucky 1.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 19, 2025 11:04 AM (udlma)

13 Pure EV's are simply a stupid concept, full stop.

Hybrids could be compelling but for what ever reason that was not the big push.

I guess the commies weren't interested in boiling the frog slowly.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 19, 2025 11:04 AM (XV/Pl)

14 When the lever for the sale is a tax dodge, think twice before buying.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 19, 2025 11:04 AM (Wg6v7)

15 They'll write it off, Jerry. Just write it off.
- Cosmo Kramer, Economist

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:04 AM (L/fGl)

16 Just barley made it.
Posted by: BifBewalski

What a rye comment.

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM (77rzZ)

17
Ford is the dumb.

People said we want the Ranger back. Ford said okay, here's "a" new "Ranger," but it's the size of a 1986 F-150.

Then people said no no no, we want a *small* pickup truck like the old Ranger. Ford said okay, and built the "Maverick," a 4-door Ford Escape with a very short pickup bed.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM (BTBWt)

18 I'm not sure there is "no market for electric trucks".

I'd buy one, but not for $75,000.

Posted by: Rural Fellow at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM (UZlJN)

19 Ford CEO Jim Farley is quoted as saying, “Instead of plowing billions into the future knowing these large EVs will never make money, we are pivoting.”

It's always "pivoting", never "we're going to try to extricate ourselves from the colossal f***up we pushed on you, the shareholders and customers.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM (Riz8t)

20 "Let me be the first to confidently predict that there will be a multi-billion-dollar write-off for Ford’s BESS distraction in coming years."

Let me be second.

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at December 19, 2025 11:06 AM (P7Iz+)

21 I will not take Ford seriously until they fire their entire executive board.

They suck at their jobs.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:01 AM

Whoa! Let's not spread that contagion!!

Posted by: NRA Board of Directors at December 19, 2025 11:06 AM (0sNs1)

22 Willowed:
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They've been telling us fat is bad for generations. They've been trying to kill us all along, it seems.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 10:57 AM (Zz0t1)
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Saw this article that says that all the studies they did on alcohol killing the liver did not isolate for other things.

Saturated fats show signs of actually healing an alcoholic rat's liver.

The combination of alcohol and seed oils is what really desiccates the liver. Much less sign of liver damage to alcoholic mice that consumed only saturated fats.

Seed oils are worse than cigarettes. Seed oils are worse than alcohol. Get them out of our food.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:06 AM (krQz2)

23 Honda, at one point, declared they were going ALL EV by 2035 or some such, I believe.
Posted by: Sponge
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I think the flat Japanese economy and Honda having to rely on foreign markets like Europe and US drove that comment. Toyota has the most successful hybrid program which satisfies most of the market that EV's would plus eliminating range anxiety which EVs can't. Honda and the rest like Hyundai/Kia, Nissan, etc. simply did not have the ability to go toe to toe in hybrids so they pivoted toward full EV planning.

The ironic thing is that Ford had probably the best of the dwinding Big Three in hybrid tech and threw it away to go after the EV market.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:06 AM (WDjG6)

24 Wonderful article, Buck, but throwing in an EV conflagration would have been the Maraschino cherry on top of the sundae.

Posted by: Tom Carvel, Creator of Cookie-Puss at December 19, 2025 11:07 AM (oftw2)

25 Honda, at one point, declared they were going ALL EV by 2035 or some such, I believe.

Anything that far in the future is just a way to pretend you're going to do something, knowing full well you never will. See also "spending cuts" in 10 years.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:07 AM (Riz8t)

26 Meanwhile . . .

Hollywood’s James Cameron is Big Mad at Trump for Not Buying the Climate Crisis Narrative

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If you can't trust imaginary nine foot blue space aliens, who can you trust?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:07 AM (L/fGl)

27 Ford is the dumb.

People said we want the Ranger back. Ford said okay, here's "a" new "Ranger," but it's the size of a 1986 F-150.

Then people said no no no, we want a *small* pickup truck like the old Ranger. Ford said okay, and built the "Maverick," a 4-door Ford Escape with a very short pickup bed.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM

Hopefully we're on our way to the USA!

Posted by: Toyota HiLux at December 19, 2025 11:07 AM (0sNs1)

28 Seed oils are worse than cigarettes. Seed oils are worse than alcohol. Get them out of our food.
Posted by: Axeman

How about peanut oil? Is that a seed oil?

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:08 AM (77rzZ)

29 I guess the commies weren't interested in boiling the frog slowly.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Our ruling looting class is in a hurry to get generational wealth before it all collapses. So the grifting is in hyperdrive in all fields before the lights go out.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:08 AM (WDjG6)

30 11 I admit that I have thought Ford was headed for a bankruptcy court because I didn't believe they could take a $19.5 billion dollar write off and survive. But looks like they are even bigger than I realized.

They all truly believed that the US Government was going to force things to where they had a winning position.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:04 AM (uWKK

Were they one of the companies that took a bailout from King Barry, First of his Shame?

If so, they may not have had a choice.

Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:08 AM (UnA8+)

31 So much for Fascism, companies following the government agenda instead of the shareholders

Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2025 11:08 AM (iJa5t)

32 @17

>>Then people said no no no, we want a *small* pickup truck like the old Ranger. Ford said okay, and built the "Maverick," a 4-door Ford Escape with a very short pickup bed.

A truck that was supposed to be sub-20k that is now sub-30k and trying to find base trims is nigh impossible, so the cheap truck is going to cost you just as much as a Ranger, Colorado or Tacoma.

Or the new Auto manufacturer mantra, pay more, get less.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (XV/Pl)

33 See also "spending cuts" in 10 years.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:07 AM

In return for pork today! Done deal!

Posted by: J. Wellington Wimpy (D-Everywhere)_ at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (0sNs1)

34 I have an older Ford diesel pickup and will keep it as long as it runs decently as it is pre-DEF. Maybe if Lee Zeldin can undo some of the EPA crap like DEF and stupid high mileage mandates then a non UAW controlled company would make a bigger pickup, then I would maybe buy one of those down the road. But for now I'm hoping I (mechanics I trust) can keep the 2003 one ton working. New vehicles have too much foo-fraw crap on them and cost too much.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (hhkIi)

35 28 How about peanut oil? Is that a seed oil?
Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:08 AM (77rzZ)

Yes. It's the least bad of the seed oils, but it's still a seed oil.

Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (UnA8+)

36 The Ford Lightning has its place.
In a museum.

Posted by: Internally combusted at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (2Ez/1)

37 How the hell do you explain a $20BILLION fuck up to investors? Who falls on the sword for this monumental miscalculation? I imagine seppuku quietly taking place at Honda or Toyota if they were this blindly political in their choices.

Posted by: red speck at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (Ve/HL)

38 I'm not sure there is "no market for electric trucks".

I'd buy one, but not for $75,000.
Posted by: Rural Fellow at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM (UZlJN)
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The heavier you make a vehicle, the more power it takes to push it forward. The more power you need on an EV the more the vehicle weighs. But you would have needed to pay for a gigantic battery, is my understanding.

I have nothing, in general against "green energy". I just wish that it worked.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (krQz2)

39 Big trucks being electric never seemed feasible to me...On another note i see the woman judge who hid the illegal from ICE in Wisconsin was found guilty

Posted by: It's me donna at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (VE6XX)

40 People said we want the Ranger back. Ford said okay, here's "a" new "Ranger," but it's the size of a 1986 F-150.

Then people said no no no, we want a *small* pickup truck like the old Ranger. Ford said okay, and built the "Maverick," a 4-door Ford Escape with a very short pickup bed.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM
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Car companies aren't legally allowed to build trucks the size of the old Ranger or S-10 anymore. Safety standards and all the ancillary BS they're required to tack onto a truck makes the F-150 size about the smallest a real truck can be.

Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (3BwY8)

41 Saturated fats show signs of actually healing an alcoholic rat's liver.

The well-being of alcoholic rats hasn't come into my mind until just now.

Posted by: Ratso Rizzo at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (oftw2)

42 How about peanut oil? Is that a seed oil?

I use olive oil, avocado oil, and butter almost exclusively now.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:10 AM (Riz8t)

43 You will see a lot of hybrid trucks hitting the market within two years cuz the batteries will drop in price. I always suspected the push for EVs was to grow the manufacturing base of batteries. They are the number one cost driver for hybrid vehicles. I would put money on a full sized hybrid pickups. All tradesmen these days use battery driven hand tools. Imagine driving to the jobsite and charging up your onboard big battery (the bed of your pickup) and all the little batteries simultaneously.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 19, 2025 11:10 AM (Wg6v7)

44 The BlueOvalSK EV battery plant here in Glendale, KY folded up this week, laying off about 1200 people. Finger pointing has already started with the local government down there giving governor Beshear the ubiquitous side-eye.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 19, 2025 11:10 AM (NwnyJ)

45
People said we want the Ranger back. Ford said okay, here's "a" new "Ranger," but it's the size of a 1986 F-150.

Then people said no no no, we want a *small* pickup truck like the old Ranger. Ford said okay, and built the "Maverick," a 4-door Ford Escape with a very short pickup bed.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM (BTBWt)

I was saying this the other day. If Ford wasn't being retarded, they would've released what they're calling the Ranger currently, the F-100, keeping in line with the actual naming convention for their line of trucks, then call what they've named the Maverick, which was a mid sized 4-door SEDAN, the Ranger.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:10 AM (Zz0t1)

46 I'm not dead yet!

Posted by: Alcoholic rat's liver at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (2Ez/1)

47 So much for Fascism, companies following the government agenda instead of the shareholders

Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2025 11:08 AM (iJa5t)
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In almost everyway the Democratic party is soo much better at fascism than the "right".

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (krQz2)

48 A gasoline powered generator alongside an electric powertrain. Hey Joey, they're making a new choo-choo!

Posted by: Roy at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (BZF07)

49 The Maverick was recently named Motor Trend's "Truck of the Year."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

50 Fortunately, The Paolo never suffers from, how you say, "range anxiety".

Posted by: Paolo at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (0sNs1)

51 The heavier you make a vehicle, the more power it takes to push it forward. The more power you need on an EV the more the vehicle weighs.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (krQz2)
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The Rocket Problem.

Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (3BwY8)

52 Yes. It's the least bad of the seed oils, but it's still a seed oil.
Posted by: XTC

So, the only good oils that I know of are olive oil and avocado oil. Any others?

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (77rzZ)

53 and the company is now about to realize another $19 billion loss in unwinding the EV mess.
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That's about as much as the current known Minnesomalia fraud loss amounts. Huge.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (Dv3i1)

54 A gasoline powered generator alongside an electric powertrain. Hey Joey, they're making a new choo-choo!
Posted by: Roy at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (BZF07)

You're welcome.

Posted by: Top Gear at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

55 If I am asked to provide my race, is there any penalty if I lie about it? Why don't we all just self-identify as Pacific Islanders?

Posted by: Oglebay at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (GPa4z)

56 Islamic State Says Bondi Killings Are a “Source of Pride,” But Doesn't Claim Responsibility

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Not that they're evil or anything.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (L/fGl)

57
They can make & sell MINIs but they can't make small pickups? Come on.

btw, I think Piper drives a MINI.

So needle her about it tonight.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (BTBWt)

58 34 I have an older Ford diesel pickup and will keep it as long as it runs decently as it is pre-DEF. Maybe if Lee Zeldin can undo some of the EPA crap like DEF and stupid high mileage mandates then a non UAW controlled company would make a bigger pickup, then I would maybe buy one of those down the road. But for now I'm hoping I (mechanics I trust) can keep the 2003 one ton working. New vehicles have too much foo-fraw crap on them and cost too much.
Posted by: PaleRider

CAFE penalties are set at zero right now but Zeldin (and Trump) has his hands tied on some of it due to congressional statute and refusal of the GOP Senate to get rid of the filibuster or limit it severely.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (WDjG6)

59 Pecan oil and leaf lard

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2025 11:12 AM (sDNVV)

60 There's a $10k Toyota truck available elsewhere that would sell amazingly well here in a world of $90k F-250s. Only regulation is keeping it from happening.

Until it does, I'll keep looking for rust-free F-100s between 1967 and 1972 to keep running.

Posted by: red speck at December 19, 2025 11:12 AM (Ve/HL)

61 In almost everyway the Democratic party is soo much better at fascism than the "right".
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM

You know who else was good at fascism?

Posted by: That Guy who always asks "You know who else" at December 19, 2025 11:12 AM (0sNs1)

62 So, the only good oils that I know of are olive oil and avocado oil. Any others?
Posted by: Bulg
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Animal fats.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:12 AM (WDjG6)

63 Today's Ford Maverick is a four door Ranchero.

Posted by: Change my mind at December 19, 2025 11:12 AM (2Ez/1)

64 Yes. It's the least bad of the seed oils, but it's still a seed oil.
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Its a legume.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 19, 2025 11:12 AM (Wg6v7)

65 So, the only good oils that I know of are olive oil and avocado oil. Any others?
Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (77rzZ)

Beef tallow

Posted by: It's me donna at December 19, 2025 11:12 AM (VE6XX)

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Other things ford consumers don't want? That damned auto start stop button.
My 2021 F150 came with it.
My sister's 2024 F250 didn't come with that button. Ford finally listened to the customer.

The 4D Tech auto start/stop eliminator is engineered to safely and reliably memorize your preference, and turn off this functionality on each start, automatically.

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Couldn't have been easier to install & I couldn't be happier.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:13 AM (dAOkg)

67 ========
Our ruling looting class is in a hurry to get generational wealth before it all collapses. So the grifting is in hyperdrive in all fields before the lights go out.
Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:08 AM (WDjG6)

I just can't grok this. 'generational wealth' isn't going to mean much if everything collapses and the local strong man who arises in their area just seizes what they have instead of being bribable. But the ruling class as a group are quite stupid.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 19, 2025 11:13 AM (hhkIi)

68 Animal fats.
Posted by: whig

Well, yeah. But I was thinking of plant oils.

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:13 AM (77rzZ)

69 Beef tallow
Butter and/or Ghee

Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 11:13 AM (3BwY8)

70 I'm sitting right here.

Posted by: Toyota Hilux at December 19, 2025 11:13 AM (2Ez/1)

71 > Car companies aren't legally allowed to build trucks the size of the old Ranger or S-10 anymore.
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My son-in-law has a 80's vintage S-10. Minimal. 5-speed with a 4 banger. I have a 2016 Colorado. It's what the S-10 "evolved" into. It's roughly 1/2 again as big as his truck. The current Colorados are (again) almost 1/2 larger than mine.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 19, 2025 11:13 AM (NwnyJ)

72 I use olive oil, avocado oil, and butter almost exclusively now.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:10 AM (Riz8t)

Me too. Makes food taste so much better. A also use grape seed oil sometimes.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 19, 2025 11:14 AM (PSEDc)

73 They've been telling us fat is bad for generations.
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You don't trust the Experts(TM)?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2025 11:14 AM (Dv3i1)

74 62 So, the only good oils that I know of are olive oil and avocado oil. Any others?
Posted by: Bulg
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Animal fats.
Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:12 AM (WDjG6)

Tallow and Lard. They're even going to play halftime at the Super Bowl instead of that rabbit dude.

Posted by: Roy at December 19, 2025 11:14 AM (BZF07)

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Car companies aren't legally allowed to build trucks the size of the old Ranger or S-10 anymore. Safety standards and all the ancillary BS they're required to tack onto a truck makes the F-150 size about the smallest a real truck can be.
Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (3BwY

The Maverick, which isn't as small as my 96 Ranger, is NOT the size of an F-150.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:14 AM (Zz0t1)

76 55 If I am asked to provide my race, is there any penalty if I lie about it? Why don't we all just self-identify as Pacific Islanders?
Posted by: Oglebay at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (GPa4z)

Are you fat enough to pass for Samoan?

Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:14 AM (UnA8+)

77 So, how much has Gubmint Motors wasted on EV?

Posted by: no one at December 19, 2025 11:14 AM (W7XSX)

78 Farley toured some Chinese EV plants and declared that there was zero chance Ford could compete with them, now or ever. That may have also had some impact on Ford's new direction.

Posted by: Oglebay at December 19, 2025 11:14 AM (GPa4z)

79 Our ruling looting class is in a hurry to get generational wealth before it all collapses. So the grifting is in hyperdrive in all fields before the lights go out.
Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:08 AM (WDjG6)

I just can't grok this. 'generational wealth' isn't going to mean much if everything collapses and the local strong man who arises in their area just seizes what they have instead of being bribable. But the ruling class as a group are quite stupid.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 19, 2025 11:13 AM

The laws of gravity and thermodynamics don't apply to us, duh!

Posted by: Your Ruling Class at December 19, 2025 11:15 AM (0sNs1)

80 The Ford family has also sucked at owning and managing an NFL franchise since they bought it, although Sheila Ford Hamp has done a somewhat decent job since she took over.

Posted by: one hour sober at December 19, 2025 11:15 AM (Y1sOo)

81
Just barley made it.
Posted by: BifBewalski

What a rye comment.
Posted by: Bulg

Really didn't want to be squeezin the corn-y puns, i'll accept the accidental typo though.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at December 19, 2025 11:15 AM (QVmho)

82 People said we want the Ranger back. Ford said okay, here's "a" new "Ranger," but it's the size of a 1986 F-150.

Then people said no no no, we want a *small* pickup truck like the old Ranger. Ford said okay, and built the "Maverick," a 4-door Ford Escape with a very short pickup bed.
Posted by: Soothsayer

Also known as, the Ford Courier.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:15 AM (dAOkg)

83 16
‘ Just barley made it.
Posted by: BifBewalski

What a rye comment’

There’s a grain of truth here.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 19, 2025 11:15 AM (jbnUc)

84 "...and the company is now about to realize another $19 billion loss in unwinding the EV mess."
____

It's a write off, Jerry.
They just write it off.

Posted by: Kramer at December 19, 2025 11:15 AM (2Ez/1)

85 Are you fat enough to pass for Samoan?
Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:14 AM

What are we, chopped liver?

Posted by: Tongans at December 19, 2025 11:16 AM (0sNs1)

86 Some back-of-the-envelope math shows me that Ford will have lost almost $100,000 for every EV it has ever sold.

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Who knew MBA stood for Must Bankrupt Assets?

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant and GayFontoPhobe at December 19, 2025 11:16 AM (NNq22)

87 So Farley was "just following orders"? Sounds like a typical, miniature, worm-like personality that seems to make up much of America now.

In 1940, the CEO of GM (then the biggest most important company in the world) got a phone call out of the blue from the president of the US. He asked the CEO to leave his top job on the planet (umm, no disastrous boondoggles on his resume) and begin organizing US industry for war production.

The guy (an immigrant who had worked as a stevedore, and been a boxer) said yes, right then. No "let me get back to you", no week of reflection, no PowerPoint presentation. Just - yeah, I'll do it.

Compare this story to the lurid idiocy of the Farley case (and many many others).

Sad!

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2025 11:16 AM (U/Byj)

88 75 -------
Car companies aren't legally allowed to build trucks the size of the old Ranger or S-10 anymore. Safety standards and all the ancillary BS they're required to tack onto a truck makes the F-150 size about the smallest a real truck can be.
Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (3BwY

The Maverick, which isn't as small as my 96 Ranger, is NOT the size of an F-150.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:14 AM (Zz0t1)

I drive a 23 Tacoma. Best truck I’ve ever owned. Not a big truck but really suitable for my needs. V6.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 11:16 AM (pDt9x)

89 I find MINIs tough to drive around in. Short wheelbase, low-profile tires, you feel every bump. Studebaker built buckboards back in the 1800s that rode better.

Posted by: Need A Cushion at December 19, 2025 11:17 AM (oftw2)

90 File under "No Shit."

Study Suggests TikTok and Instagram Reels May Harm Cognitive and Mental Health

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:17 AM (L/fGl)

91 Seed oils are worse than cigarettes. Seed oils are worse than alcohol. Get them out of our food.
Posted by: Axeman

How about peanut oil? Is that a seed oil?
Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:08 AM (77rzZ)
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It really depends on the extraction process. If they have to super-heat it, put it through a chemical process, bleach it, or something along those lines, then it's bad.

You can get "expeller-pressed sunflower oil" which my understanding is that it is not nearly as bad as the chemically-extracted stuff.

For plant-based oils, it's best to stick with olive, avocado (although there are no quality constraints on avocado oil) and coconut.

The problem with saturated--natural--fats, is that they have a low smoke-point. I think, Gee has the highest smoke point of animal fats.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:17 AM (krQz2)

92 "pickup that will have a gasoline-powered generator alongside an electric drivetrain"

I'm actually intrigued by this. Though a diesel engine would be better paired with the generator - but we all know how the left feels about diesel.

With a properly sized generator/engine, there is enormous torque available via electric motors. So this might work.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 19, 2025 11:17 AM (N39Ws)

93 *There’s a grain of truth here.*

Ahem.

Posted by: A kernel of truth at December 19, 2025 11:17 AM (2Ez/1)

94 The only problem with butter is its low smoke point.

Otherwise, it's generally my preferred cooking fat.

Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM (UnA8+)

95 Simply selecting Orange, AWD and tow package on the base trim of the Maverick put's the vehicle just at 35k.

You can get a base Ranger with real 4x4 and the tow package for 2500 more.

Sadly the Ranger is not offered in Orange, the blue is nice though.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM (XV/Pl)

96 Back when the entire EV craze began to be pushed, it was well known that battery tech wasn't nearly where it needed to be for them to work, but that was ok because the demand would spur new technology and it would all work out just great.
None of the proponents paused to see the magical thinking inherent in that assumption; that something new and magical will show up just because you want it to.

So lithium batteries showed up and all the cheerleaders and promoters jumped up and down and said "yes! This is all that we needed, it's all good now!" Except that they weren't that much better, and they had a host of new problems that came with them, but no one committed to the new system could afford to say the truth. So they all, for various reasons, committed to trying to ram a Big Lie down the publics throat.

and now it's all falling apart. Because all lies do, eventually.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM (uWKK8)

97 The problem with the strategy on electric trucks is that it misunderstands the truck user.

The type of fellow that is forming out $70-90k on a truck needs it for the trucks abilities, hauling and towing and such. And EVs just underperform at those tasks, they aren't practical as an industrial work truck.

The people that would buy electric trucks for which the truck's abilities are suitable are rural folks that need a truck bed for hauling feed, taking trash to the dump, getting a load of mulch, throw the weedeater in, etc.

But those folks won't fork out $75k for a farm truck. They'll just buy an old gas truck for $5k somewhere.

The power tool and garden tool industry have really done a very good job of assessing the market for battery powered tools, hence the success in those markets. But EV makers have just been stuck in some kind of ideological mindset rather than a pragmatic one.

Tesla's success in the car market has been that, relative to competition, it's not egregiously overpriced for a midsize sedan.

Posted by: Rural Fellow at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM (UZlJN)

98 The problem with saturated--natural--fats, is that they have a low smoke-point. I think, Gee has the highest smoke point of animal fats.
Posted by: Axeman

My wife told me that avocado oil has a high smoke point.

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM (77rzZ)

99
Fucking Idiots

I think it's really dumb to jump out of planes for "fun." But these people are the dumbest and deserve to plummet to their ends. Of fucking course you're going to hit the plane when you jump you jackasses:

https://is.gd/ThKUo8

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM (BTBWt)

100 For plant-based oils, it's best to stick with olive, avocado (although there are no quality constraints on avocado oil) and coconut.

I'm so old I remember when the food Nazis told us all to avoid movie theater popcorn because it was made with coconut oil.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM (Riz8t)

101 94 The only problem with butter is its low smoke point.

Otherwise, it's generally my preferred cooking fat.
Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM (UnA8+)

Make ghee and use that.

Posted by: Roy at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM (BZF07)

102 Well, yeah. But I was thinking of plant oils.
Posted by: Bulg
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We know appallingly little of how fats are actually used by bodies and old traditional sources of fat before all the massive processing are probably the healthier ones.

Basically government and industry have teamed up with Big Med in an unwholy fashion to produce such specious nonsense as the Food Pyramid, whitewashing sugar, vilifying eggs becuz cholesterol is bad, and so on.

Now our natural experiment on industrializing food products by processing is showing massive increases in obesity, diabetes, and ancillary heart, immune system, and cancer damages.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM (WDjG6)

103 Shame a bit, I am on my 3rd bought new F-150, probably my last one because hopefully this will last as long as I need one.

Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2025 11:19 AM (iJa5t)

104 Some back-of-the-envelope math shows me that Ford will have lost almost $100,000 for every EV it has ever sold.

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Worst part is they won't make it up in volume.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:19 AM (L/fGl)

105 My wife told me that avocado oil has a high smoke point.

She is correct.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:19 AM (Riz8t)

106 Cooking oils. Crisco is good. It used to be the Devil’s fat, according to TPTB.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 11:19 AM (pDt9x)

107 Now built a pickup with a five speed manual transmission, and without seven grand worth of sensors on it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 19, 2025 11:20 AM (0U5gm)

108 Every time I see one a them EV trucks or SUVs I wonder if the owners ever think about getting spare parts for them in the future. I pulled back years ago on going after older guns I like mostly for that reason. But maybe I've got it wrong, and there will be parts.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2025 11:20 AM (U/Byj)

109 Don't worry, he'll get an eight-figure golden parachute.

Posted by: Fuck up, move up, get filthy rich at December 19, 2025 11:20 AM (TbWk/)

110 Posted by: Rural Fellow
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Good points.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:21 AM (WDjG6)

111 Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2025 11:18 AM

Airborne, Airborne, have you heard?
We're gonna jump from a big@ssed bird!

Posted by: Jump School trainees at December 19, 2025 11:21 AM (0sNs1)

112
These battery storage centers use lithium iin batteries. There are other batteries under development for this purpise, but lithium iin is the default.

Battery storage centers are periodically shut down by battery fires. They catch fire like electric cars do, and the fires are almost impossible to extinguish.

A mad rush to do something stupid.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 19, 2025 11:21 AM (azNOR)

113 Technically, there was no EV craze, only governments and companies pushing crap the public never asked for. didn't want and didn't buy.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 19, 2025 11:21 AM (XV/Pl)

114 Smoke points of various oils

https://tinyurl.com/mpb75f5w

Oil/Fat Quality Temp
Avocado oil Refined 520 °F
Safflower oil Refined 510 °F
Sunflower oil Neutralized, dewaxed, bleached & deodorized 486–489 °F
Avocado oil Unrefined 482 °F
Butter/Ghee Clarified 482 °F
Beef tallow 480 °F
Mustard oil 480 °F
Pecan oil 470 °F
Palm oil Fractionated 455 °F
Soybean oil 453 °F
Peanut oil Refined 450 °F
Rice bran oil Refined 450 °F
Sesame oil Semirefined 450 °F
Sunflower oil Semirefined 450 °F
Sunflower oil, high oleic Refined 450 °F
Corn oil 446–460 °F
Peanut oil 441–445 °F

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:22 AM (dAOkg)

115 Tesla is win the battery storage business with the power wall. I drive my wife crazy, but I would love to be completely off grid and solar panels with an array of powerwalls seems like a viable, if somewhat uneconomical, path.

Posted by: Oglebay at December 19, 2025 11:22 AM (GPa4z)

116 55 If I am asked to provide my race, is there any penalty if I lie about it? Why don't we all just self-identify as Pacific Islanders?
Posted by: Oglebay at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (GPa4z)

You're an American Indian, just tell them about your great grandmothers historical prairie crab recipe.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:22 AM (uWKK8)

117 My neighbor across the cul-de-sac parks his Cybertruck in the cds, which we are not supposed to do. It is not the flex he seems to think it is.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:22 AM (Riz8t)

118 It's good to have ghee around for higher temp butter cookin'. And as noted avocado oil for the oil option.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2025 11:22 AM (U/Byj)

119 So, the only good oils that I know of are olive oil and avocado oil. Any others?
Posted by: Bulg

Coconut oil. Makes popcorn great again.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 19, 2025 11:23 AM (0U5gm)

120 The cybertruck is a really heavy, really expensive, really fast El Camino.

Posted by: And butt ugly at December 19, 2025 11:23 AM (2Ez/1)

121 Now built a pickup with a five speed manual transmission, and without seven grand worth of sensors on it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 19, 2025 11:20 AM (0U5gm)

Mine is six-speed manual, 2013 Nissan Frontier. About as bare-bones as you can get these days. Hand-crank windows, no electric locks. Suits me very well.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 19, 2025 11:23 AM (PSEDc)

122
You're an American Indian, just tell them about your great grandmothers historical prairie crab recipe.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:22 AM

"Of COURSE I'm native American. Why, I've got my copy of Pow-Wow Chow right here!"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

123 Ford Motor Company has announced that it is de-transitioning from the “EV Transition.”

They finally discovered that cutting your cock and balls off and fucking yourself in the suppurating crotch hole 3-4 times a week just wasn't a recipe for long term happiness or success.

Posted by: Crazy isn't it at December 19, 2025 11:23 AM (TbWk/)

124 Every time I see one a them EV trucks or SUVs I wonder if the owners ever think about getting spare parts for them in the future. I pulled back years ago on going after older guns I like mostly for that reason. But maybe I've got it wrong, and there will be parts.
Posted by: rhomboid

Brownell's or Numrich Arms.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:23 AM (dAOkg)

125 The heavier you make a vehicle, the more power it takes to push it forward. The more power you need on an EV the more the vehicle weighs.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:09 AM (krQz2)
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The Rocket Problem.
Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (3BwY

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And also, you have to think that a car is expected to carry the weight of itself + passengers + some luggage. A truck is expected to carry significant extra weight. It's gonna tow things, it's going to haul large things in the bed.

The more weight it can tow or haul--weight that does not at all contribute to the power of the vehicle--like battery does--the more you can hype your truck's power. So, again, you need to add more weight to your vehicle in order to give it a chance to tow something significant.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:24 AM (krQz2)

126 Bring back Checker cabs!

Posted by: Taxi Squad at December 19, 2025 11:24 AM (oftw2)

127 I pulled back years ago on going after older guns I like mostly for that reason. But maybe I've got it wrong, and there will be parts.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Older guns are more easily fixed because a really good gunsmith can even fabricate or engineer most of them if needed.

Modern cars are a complex mix of computer, sensors, electrical system, and mechanical parts nowadays.

And like the farm machinery industry, due to slowing unit sales, the automakers are relying on proprietary codes, making frequent changes to prevent used parts from being used successfully, and other means to ensure that their dealers and company have a steady income stream from repairs and parts instead of selling vehicles.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:25 AM (WDjG6)

128
114 - Where does bacon fat fall?

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 19, 2025 11:25 AM (XvL8K)

129 Of fucking course you're going to hit the plane when you jump you jackasses:

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A Nazi plane I hadn't previously heard of. The propeller is immediately behind the cockpit so if you bail out, you get sliced and diced.

https://is.gd/8gN2AF

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:25 AM (L/fGl)

130 123 Ford Motor Company has announced that it is de-transitioning from the “EV Transition.”

They finally discovered that cutting your cock and balls off and fucking yourself in the suppurating crotch hole 3-4 times a week just wasn't a recipe for long term happiness or success.
Posted by: Crazy

There's a reason I still have my twig and berries.

Posted by: Dylan Mulvaney at December 19, 2025 11:25 AM (JCZqz)

131 Wonderful article, Buck, but throwing in an EV conflagration would have been the Maraschino cherry on top of the sundae.

Posted by: Tom Carvel, Creator of Cookie-Puss

Ford itself doesn't qualify?

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at December 19, 2025 11:25 AM (OUMaO)

132 Just barley made it.
Posted by: BifBewalski

What a rye comment.
Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM (77rzZ)

The puns are chaffing us.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 19, 2025 11:26 AM (2WIwB)

133 I am whiter than (Johnny Winter x Edgar Winter)^2 but I am not trying to pass for something else - I just want to tell the person asking the question to GFY by choosing an obvious falsehood.

Posted by: Oglebay at December 19, 2025 11:26 AM (GPa4z)

134 >>Cooking oils. Crisco is good. It used to be the Devil’s fat, according to TPTB.

My wife is a firm believer that Crisco is evil. Doing most of the cooking, I can sneak it into things. Just can't do it to often.

Posted by: Nazdar at December 19, 2025 11:26 AM (NcvvS)

135 This post from DU may weave two of the subjects of this Thread together:

"This Country Is Going To Hell

I mean c'mon man, Campbell's chicken noodle soup using 3D printed chickens?

How in the hell are we going to get rid of a cold now?

My grandma made the best chicken noodle soup.

She used a fatty chicken, made her own noodles, it's all I wanted to eat when we visited for holidays."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 19, 2025 11:27 AM (0sNs1)

136 Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:22 AM (dAOkg)
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There's another thing that temperature list represents.

How hard it is for humans to break those substances down as well. For example, we can't digest corn at all.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:27 AM (krQz2)

137 The power tool and garden tool industry have really done a very good job of assessing the market for battery powered tools, hence the success in those markets. But EV makers have just been stuck in some kind of ideological mindset rather than a pragmatic one."

A big thing that makes them work (I have some, like most of us now) is that it's relatively cheap to have a 2nd battery that you keep in the charger, and when the first runs out you just pop the 2nd one in, no time wasted at all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:27 AM (uWKK8)

138 Where does bacon fat fall?
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

LARD 374 °F

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:27 AM (dAOkg)

139
How hard it is for humans to break those substances down as well. For example, we can't digest corn at all.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:27 AM (krQz2)

But I can digest moonshine just fine.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:28 AM (Zz0t1)

140 Hey, Sponge, how was your birthday?

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)

141 Remember the good old days when, for Ford, "Quality is Job 1."?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 19, 2025 11:28 AM (0sNs1)

142 Ford Motor Company has announced that it is de-transitioning from the “EV Transition.”

If only the cliff they drove off had been higher. They'd still be in the air.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2025 11:28 AM (kACBq)

143
A big thing that makes them work (I have some, like most of us now) is that it's relatively cheap to have a 2nd battery that you keep in the charger, and when the first runs out you just pop the 2nd one in, no time wasted at all.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:27 AM

My plug-in saws-all never stops.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:28 AM (Zz0t1)

144 Ford getting involved in battery storage systems makes as much sense as when Exxon decided to manufacture and sell office machinery.

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TBF, Exxon did eventually fire the DEI Marketing Director MBA who floated the idea of a Valdez line of Chemical Fasteners.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant and GayFontoPhobe at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (NNq22)

145 The first hint should have been when these things were piling up on dealer lots and dealers were refusing to buy anymore. Ford had to step in and make them buy them even though they weren't selling. Interest payments on those unsold trucks were eating up any profits the dealers made from selling ICE vehicles.

Some dealers opted out of selling any EV's because of that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (0N4FZ)

146 99
I think it's really dumb to jump out of planes for "fun." But these people are the dumbest and deserve to plummet to their ends.

In spite of his best efforts the jumper in the video survived.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (jbnUc)

147 I remember when all these car companies were extorted to start EV lines.

Can we say that "Real free markets hasn't really been tried (in a long while)?"

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (krQz2)

148 Remember the good old days when, for Ford, "Quality is Job 1."?

I remember that slogan. I also remember saying "what a load of horses***!".

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (Riz8t)

149 112
These battery storage centers use lithium iin batteries. There are other batteries under development for this purpise, but lithium iin is the default.

Battery storage centers are periodically shut down by battery fires. They catch fire like electric cars do, and the fires are almost impossible to extinguish.

A mad rush to do something stupid.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug
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Sodium ion batteries have just rollled out in the market. Musk is trying to decide between sodium ion and aluminum ion batteries for a cheaper EV. You trade off a bit of energy density by the best lithium ion types which means more weight for a given storage requirement but in return you get greater longevity, much less problems with runaway fires so faster charging, and much cheaper materials as in mebbe 10-20 percent of lithium ion at scale.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (WDjG6)

150 There is a ton of bad information out there with seed oils, most of this is association, not causation. Seed oils that are cold pressed are fine, but will have a low smoke point and the taste is going to be heavy. Processed seed oils strip some nutrients but increase the smoke point and decrease the taste, which is important in baking or stir frying. Seed oils have Omega-6 in them, and there is a balance between Omega -6 and 3s we need to maintain. However, unless you are drinking the oil, which I do not recommend, using it to cook with in moderation is not going to harm you. There is a lot of seed oils in ultra processed foods - it’s the ultra processed food that is of concern in total. Avoid these.

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (p4NUW)

151 Hey, Sponge, how was your birthday?
Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)

'Twas good. Drank too much, tho, so was useless yesterday.

Good times were had by all, nonetheless.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (Zz0t1)

152 My wife is a firm believer that Crisco is evil. Doing most of the cooking, I can sneak it into things. Just can't do it to often.
Posted by: Nazdar

Crisco - Estrogen oil, aka, soybean oil.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (dAOkg)

153 Basically government and industry have teamed up with Big Med in an unwholy fashion to produce such specious nonsense as the Food Pyramid, whitewashing sugar, vilifying eggs becuz cholesterol is bad, and so on.

Now our natural experiment on industrializing food products by processing is showing massive increases in obesity, diabetes, and ancillary heart, immune system, and cancer damages.

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If your ancestors have been eating it for generations, its probably good.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at December 19, 2025 11:30 AM (sX1BW)

154 She'll solve all our economic /tech problems!

Caroline Ellison, Sam Bankman-Fried’s Partner in FTX Crime, Released Early From Prison

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:30 AM (L/fGl)

155 I use bacon grease and pecan oilfir fried chicken
C

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2025 11:31 AM (sDNVV)

156 The type of fellow that is forming out $70-90k on a truck needs it for the trucks abilities, hauling and towing and such.

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Someone who needs that is getting the bare bones version because it will be beaten up. The $90k truck is spending its life in a suburban driveway commuting to work, and will probably never tow or haul anything.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 19, 2025 11:31 AM (udlma)

157 >>The puns are chaffing us.

Just a gluten for punishment.

Posted by: Nazdar at December 19, 2025 11:31 AM (NcvvS)

158 Where does bacon fat fall?

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 19, 2025 11:25 AM (XvL8K)
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Into my collection jar.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:31 AM (krQz2)

159 Thanks rickb223, I am no stranger to Numrich, mostly for parts for the big and little M1s. Of course there is a yuuuge number of parts for those rifles still in existence and some new ones being made.

And whig I am aware of several of the guys who specialize in fixing Colts and older stuff, just don't want the hassle. Everything I get is for shooting, not collecting. Kind of academic, haven't bought anything for a while, don't shoot what I have nearly enough.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2025 11:31 AM (U/Byj)

160 There is a lot of seed oils in ultra processed foods - it’s the ultra processed food that is of concern in total. Avoid these.

I will only eat all-natural, organic Cheetohs.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)

161 If your ancestors have been eating it for generations, its probably good.
Posted by: SH
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Most likely.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:31 AM (WDjG6)

162 141 Remember the good old days when, for Ford, "Quality is Job 1."?
Posted by: Duncanthrax

Mustang II, Boredom- Zero!

Posted by: Penguin and Manatee Alliance at December 19, 2025 11:32 AM (oftw2)

163 Remember the good old days when, for Ford, "Quality is Job 1."?

I remember that slogan. I also remember saying "what a load of horses***!".
Posted by: Archimedes

🎵 Look for the union label 🎶

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:32 AM (dAOkg)

164 Neither soy foods or isoflavones have an impact on testosterone in men, regardless of age. Go eat that edamame and enjoy it!

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:32 AM (p4NUW)

165 Farley did not do this on his own and the reason he still has a job after lighting all this money on fire is because Bill Ford, idiot progeny, was behind it all.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at December 19, 2025 11:32 AM (zdYK9)

166 I use "Mild Taste" olive oil. It's for sauteeing and roasting.

Posted by: no one at December 19, 2025 11:34 AM (W7XSX)

167 I am genuinely surprised Ford didn't continue their EV folly into bankruptcy.

I guess impecunity is the only thing worse than not genuflecting to the climate gods among the worthless Davos parasites.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 11:34 AM (1Nv0l)

168
it's 58 and raining sideways

If this was snow....

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2025 11:34 AM (BTBWt)

169 160 There is a lot of seed oils in ultra processed foods - it’s the ultra processed food that is of concern in total. Avoid these.

I will only eat all-natural, organic Cheetohs.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025

Oh my gosh, I know you are going to laugh at this, but I buy Hippeas cheese puffs. 🤣

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:34 AM (p4NUW)

170 Mustang II, Boredom- Zero!
Posted by: Penguin and Manatee Alliance at December 19, 2025 11:32 AM (oftw2)

there is a really bad Rifftrax movie out there, Alien Outlaw. The chick drove a Mustang II, but the" II" had been pried off the car. As an aside, the chick was smokin' hawt.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 19, 2025 11:35 AM (PSEDc)

171 "To put the magnitude of Ford’s $32 billion EV loss into context, Ford’s total profit over the past seven years was about $31 billion. Some back-of-the-envelope math shows me that Ford will have lost almost $100,000 for every EV it has ever sold"

Stellantis has kicked the Jeep Gladiator EV to the curb for the same reason, they were losing tons of money on each sale.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 19, 2025 11:35 AM (0N4FZ)

172 And whig I am aware of several of the guys who specialize in fixing Colts and older stuff, just don't want the hassle. Everything I get is for shooting, not collecting. Kind of academic, haven't bought anything for a while, don't shoot what I have nearly enough.
Posted by: rhomboid

Fair enough. I used to do a lot of the gunsmithing myself as you can actually fit small parts pretty well with nothing more than files and stones.

Colt double action revolvers though before they went to coil spring actions in the 70's are like working on Swiss watches and had a lot of experienced Colt technicians hand fitting at the factory on key parts like the pawl and hand.

OTOH, old Smith and Wessons are pretty easy for anyone with mechanical aptitude to work on.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:35 AM (WDjG6)

173 "Instead of plowing billions into the future knowing these large EVs will never make money, we are pivoting."

"Pivoting" seems to be the focus-tested, PR-approved euphemism that all auto makers are using to describe their running from EV dumpster fires like they're being chased by Pepe le Pew.

It's not just Ford using it. Another euphemism is "realignment."

It would be nice if just once one of these slimy bastards would just say "we done fucked the pig, we're sorry, and here's our plan to get back on track ...."

Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 11:35 AM (iFTx/)

174 161 If your ancestors have been eating it for generations, its probably good.
Posted by: SH
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Most likely.
Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:31 AM (WDjG6)

Unless you're Somali, and your ancestors have been grinding cow dung into their food since Solomon was King.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:35 AM (uWKK8)

175 Lard for pie crusts. Accept no substitutes.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 11:36 AM (pDt9x)

176 My wife tells me that seed oils were originally developed as lubricants for equipment.

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:36 AM (77rzZ)

177 >>Crisco - Estrogen oil, aka, soybean oil.

Thanks, rickb223. Went to check, and it's soybean oil and a couple of palm oils.

Posted by: Nazdar at December 19, 2025 11:36 AM (NcvvS)

178 164 Neither soy foods or isoflavones have an impact on testosterone in men, regardless of age. Go eat that edamame and enjoy it!
Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:32 AM (p4NUW)
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I thought it was things processed from soy, not direct soy products themselves. So edamame is fine and I also read somewhere that real brewed soy sauce is fine too.

Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 11:36 AM (3BwY8)

179 Pro-immigration Milwaukee County Judge Hannah Dugan was convicted of obstructing an official proceeding when she escorted illegal migrant Eduardo Flores Ruiz out of her courtroom, and now faces up to five years in jail.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 19, 2025 11:37 AM (0sNs1)

180 If your ancestors have been eating it for generations, its probably good.
Posted by: SH
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Most likely.
Posted by: whig

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Except they're all dead. Statistics don't lie.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 11:37 AM (1Nv0l)

181 Unless you're Somali, and your ancestors have been grinding cow dung into their food since Solomon was King.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Next time look up the allowable FDA amount for processed food to include rat/mice droppings, bugs, etc. Hell, some people love and pay big bucks for civet cat coffee.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:37 AM (WDjG6)

182 Edamame?

Real badasses eat Natto.

Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:37 AM (UnA8+)

183 Bacon fat is one of my main cooking fats. Plan to try lard for pie crusts. Olive oil for most of the rest. Not concerned about seed oils, have one or two, consumption of same is trivial in overall diet. Have some red palm oil (dende) but realize I'm probably the only person who would like anything made with it. Distinctive fairly strong taste. One of the signature aromas of Bahia, with vendors cooking various delights by the beach.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2025 11:37 AM (U/Byj)

184 155 I use bacon grease and pecan oilfir fried chicken
C
Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2025 11:31

I bet this is amazing. Clearly not something I am going to suggest eating every day of your life, but I will happily come eat this with you in moderation! I am free tomorrow. 😂

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:38 AM (p4NUW)

185 I hope Dugan's next gig is a room service maid at a Motel 6.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2025 11:38 AM (sDNVV)

186 Bums are better than cameras!

Unbelievable. “I don’t think a lack of cameras in that building had anything to do with what happened,” Brown University President Christina Paxson said. It took authorities 6 days to find the shooter and police said they literally relied on a homeless man and his Reddit post to help crack this case since there was no clear image of the shooter entering the building.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:38 AM (L/fGl)

187 Crisco - Estrogen oil, aka, soybean oil.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (dAOkg)

They used to make it from cottonseed oil, but soybean oil is a lot cheaper!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Post-Modernist at December 19, 2025 11:38 AM (n9ltV)

188 Thx Buck. My little leftist city an a surrounding town are considering putting a battery storage facility about a mile and a half from me as the crow flies. Try to point out the dangers, ie Moss Landing , and you get "the technology is much safer". Until the next one goes up.
Oh and the battery manufacturing facility that was supposed to go at the old IBM facility in the same town is done as the Canadian company fell apart. Much grift in the industry

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (1vqcm)

189 Do not know the pros and cons of tofu, just that I don’t like it. They are rice cakes in myworld.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (pDt9x)

190 It took authorities 6 days to find the shooter and police said they literally relied on a homeless man and his Reddit post to help crack this case since there was no clear image of the shooter entering the building.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:38 AM (L/fGl)

How is a homeless guy posting on Reddit?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)

191 Frivolously Out Risking Dollars.

Posted by: FORD at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (C9oTe)

192 Homeless people post on Reddit? 🤣🤣

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (udlma)

193 Cooking oils. Crisco is good. It used to be the Devil’s fat, according to TPTB.
Posted by: tubal

It's quite good on door hinges.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (kACBq)

194 It would be nice if just once one of these slimy bastards would just say "we done fucked the pig, we're sorry, and here's our plan to get back on track ...."
Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade

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It's all corporate sanitization. Same as they never have problems, it's always "challenges".

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (1Nv0l)

195 Do the basic ratios/recipes for pie crust vary much when using lard vs. butter? Can look it up I guess.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2025 11:40 AM (U/Byj)

196 187 Crisco - Estrogen oil, aka, soybean oil.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:29 AM (dAOkg)

They used to make it from cottonseed oil, but soybean oil is a lot cheaper!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Post-Modernist at December 19, 2025 11:38 AM (n9ltV)

I use it occasionally, CBD, and have not transitioned last time I looked.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 11:40 AM (pDt9x)

197 Question: Why isn't Aussie PM attending a single Bondi Beach victim funeral?

Horowitz Answers With Truth: "Because he is a Communist sympathetic to Islamists"

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2025 11:40 AM (ETIdo)

198 190 How is a homeless guy posting on Reddit?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)

A lot of homeless people have cell phones, weirdly enough.

Some manage to make enough money e-begging on livestreams to pay for the monthly phone bill, too.

Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:40 AM (UnA8+)

199 Fecklessly Overspending Retarded Dullards

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 11:40 AM (1Nv0l)

200 I guess bums go to the liberrry and can post on Reddit from there.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 19, 2025 11:41 AM (udlma)

201 It's not just Ford using it. Another euphemism is "realignment."

It would be nice if just once one of these slimy bastards would just say "we done fucked the pig, we're sorry, and here's our plan to get back on track ...."
Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade

You know why--shareholder lawsuits galore. Ford and others ignored clear forseeable consequences from their actions in order to please the Davos crowd, not their customers. Twas always going to end badly when the pain from the stupid Net Zero eco policies exceeded governments being willing to engage in fantasy.

I think this is also why our elites are enamored of China where the CCP simply crams the shit du jour down the peoples' throats. EU is longingly desiring to be that type of government and its member states are well along that road as well.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:41 AM (WDjG6)

202 Modern cars are a complex mix of computer, sensors, electrical system, and mechanical parts nowadays.

And like the farm machinery industry, due to slowing unit sales, the automakers are relying on proprietary codes, making frequent changes to prevent used parts from being used successfully, and other means to ensure that their dealers and company have a steady income stream from repairs and parts instead of selling vehicles.
Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:25 AM (WDjG6)

You're implying that automakers using their market power to choke off competitors in the aftermarket is somehow not a good thing and in perfect keeping with free market capitalism? Marxist commie.

Posted by: More tongue in cheek at December 19, 2025 11:41 AM (TbWk/)

203 Re-chargeable snowplows, school bus, postal trucks, etc.

Profoundly stupid ideas. Maybe worth trying - as in, show everyone that they actually work in the cold. As far as I can tell that has never even demonstrated, never mind at scale.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 19, 2025 11:41 AM (IejsB)

204 178 164 Neither soy foods or isoflavones have an impact on testosterone in men, regardless of age. Go eat that edamame and enjoy it!
Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:32 AM (p4NUW)
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I thought it was things processed from soy, not direct soy products themselves. So edamame is fine and I also read somewhere that real brewed soy sauce is fine too.
Posted by: ballistic at December

Tofu, soy milk, all of is fine and doesn’t affect testosterone.

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:41 AM (p4NUW)

205 190 How is a homeless guy posting on Reddit?
Posted by: Sponge
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Obama phones still exist like his pernicious anti health care law.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:42 AM (WDjG6)

206 How is a homeless guy posting on Reddit?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)

Better question - how was a homeless guy regularly sleeping in the basement of one of the Brown U. buildings without a passkey or anything?

Although I can't be very critical of him, he did more work to solve this case than the entire Brown Security team, the Providence Police Force, and the FBI put together.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:42 AM (uWKK8)

207 >Tallow and Lard. They're even going to play halftime at the Super Bowl instead of that rabbit dude.
Posted by: Roy at December 19, 2025 11:14 AM (BZF07)

Duck fat FTW!

I use avocado oil if I am searing something on very high heat. Doesn't bring a lot of flavor to the party.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 19, 2025 11:42 AM (GTqXr)

208 Piper, Come on ! Pecan oil takes grilled vegetables to a whole new level

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2025 11:42 AM (sDNVV)

209 How is a homeless guy posting on Reddit?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)

I have seen "homeless" in London use credit card swipers when they beg.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:43 AM (n9ltV)

210 Sydney Sweeney oil can increase testosterone to dangerous levels.

That's why you should only consume it when you're in your bunk.

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:43 AM (77rzZ)

211 Damn bricklayers!

https://is.gd/ZX5DVK

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:43 AM (L/fGl)

212 Chrysler discontinued the Hemi and pissed off the majority of their customer base.

They brought it back after hearing about it for a few months and immediately got preorders for 50,000 units.

The Ford CFO broad comes out a week or so later stating that "People don't care what's under the hood. They care about the technology inside the cabin."

Uh........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:43 AM (Zz0t1)

213 My wife tells me that seed oils were originally developed as lubricants for equipment.

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:36 AM (77rzZ)
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That's my understanding as well.

They were developed to replace petroleum oil as a lubricant. Just were never stable enough.

In WWII they were given a temporary use grant to be used in foods. (Oleo, etc.) because the US was short on butter.

.... Government-style temporary...

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:43 AM (krQz2)

214 "Some people are arguing that Ford was just a victim of Obama/Biden era mandates, but Toyota and Honda deftly navigated through those years without committing to an all-EV future in the manner that Ford and General Motors did."

A few companies were smart enough to see the handwriting on the wall and jerked off anti-gas regulators with promises of future EVs that they never really intended to produce:

-- Mazda
-- BMW/Mini (although they did roll out EVs, they were considered laggards)
-- Lamborghini (jerked off regulators with the Lanzador concept that was pretty much vaporware)
-- Toyota and Honda as mentioned above.

Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)

215 I do not know much about the good vs evil in the food world. What I do is take information gleaned from the internet, combine it with anecdotal evidence, and garnish it with confirmation bias. Cook it at 350 for a while and serve it up as my truth. Moron, in good standing.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 11:44 AM (pDt9x)

216 From me at The American Spectator: “Banks Are Racially Profiling Mortgage Applicants - The Government Requires It”

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[The root cause of the 2008 Financial Meltdown:]

Although later weaponized by DogEater (Making NINJA Loans Great Again!), this crap started with the Clinton Administration back in 1993, announcing plans to crack down on financial institutions to uncover racial discrimination in mortgage lending

The administration also made changes to the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) to make mortgages more accessible to lower- and lower-middle-income families.

Furthermore, they threatened to subject mortgage companies to CRA regulations if they didn't "voluntarily" increase lending to low-income borrowers and minorities, making compliance more attractive to avoid public scrutiny.

HUD Secretary Fredo "The Elder" Cuomo pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to buy $2 trillion in "affordable" mortgages, effectively encouraging lenders to expand credit to minority and low-income borrowers.

Banks that failed to meet CRA obligations risked having their expansion plans blocked, creating strong incentives to increase lending in minority neighborhoods.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant and GayFontoPhobe at December 19, 2025 11:44 AM (NNq22)

217 Duck fat FTW!

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 19, 2025 11:42 AM (GTqXr)

YES!

I love duck, but harvesting a pint or so of duck fat when I roast one is definitely a reason I like duck!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:44 AM (n9ltV)

218 Room to our dormitory door in Leningrad squeaked like an mfer (pre-Revolutionary building, huge heavy doors). Finally one of us decided to swipe some butter from the stolovaya (cafeteria) and use to grease the hinge. Success.

The butter was actually very good in its intended use. Fresh. There were some merits to the antiquated non-industrialized food systems in the USSR. But variety, fuggetaboutit.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2025 11:44 AM (U/Byj)

219 What does everyone suppose is going to happen when the Democrats win the presidency and force the manufacturers to go back to building and selling EV's?

You know they'll do it.

They're reverse everything Trump put in place, good or bad because Trump. It's who they are.

Manufacturers around the globe bent the knee to the climate crisis church... they'll do it again.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 19, 2025 11:44 AM (NwnyJ)

220 They all truly believed that the US Government was going to force things to where they had a winning position."

No, they believed they could get part of the trillion plus that was pushing towards EVs... the anticipated volume of cash to be extracted from the future is.... well, remember that one trillion is a thousand billions.... 20 billion is chump change.

Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (XuXeR)

221
Duck fat FTW!

I use avocado oil if I am searing something on very high heat. Doesn't bring a lot of flavor to the party.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 19, 2025 11:42 AM (GTqXr)

Wish I could remember who it was that coined "Dick fat" on accident........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

222 Rechargeable school buses is the one thing that makes sense, at least from a technical perspective: Short AM and PM runs with time to recharge in-between and overnight.

Problem is school buses are the cheapest buses around. There's no room in anyone's budget to lard on expensive EV stuff.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (1Nv0l)

223 I'm going to be gloating for several days over Judge Dugan's conviction. Let's enjoy the lamentations of the Left:

Surely this will make people worried about their immigration status show up to their court dates. /s There needs to be the ability for people to appear via video call for these things. It's outrageous that they have to turn up in person, especially in these circumstances.

Well they got their first jury to support the Nazi court prosecutors. The judges dropped the ball here. As a matter of law her conviction is wrongful, and the judge should have thrown it out well before it go to the jury.

Can't wait for the inevitably successful appeal. Why would they decide no on the lesser charge for concealment but convict on the greater charge that is barely any different?

is this a law board? I just checked the sub name and it appears to be so. a jury heard the facts and applied it to the law and made a decision. Happens every day.

If your jury is full of cult members, you are screwed, and the law doesn't seem to matter.

Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (JCZqz)

224 The DM says PDT is out of touch and the price of jewelry is up 8%!

Posted by: fd at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (vFG9F)

225 Seed oils are worse than cigarettes. Seed oils are worse than alcohol. Get them out of our food.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:06 AM (krQz2)

I like some seed oils. Why not just put whatever information out there and let people choose for themselves. Isn't that part of our American freedom too?

And beside, in another year or two there will be a study that shows seed oils are essential for good health.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (g8Ew8)

226 Although I can't be very critical of him, he did more work to solve this case than the entire Brown Security team, the Providence Police Force, and the FBI put together.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Yes, it is a comment on our over credentialed DEI society where a homeless guy would probably be a better campus police chief than who they have at Brown.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (WDjG6)

227 So Fulton County just officially admitted it illegally certified 315,000 ballots in the 2020 election, giving Joe Biden the Georgia election.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2025 11:46 AM (VrPVr)

228
I have seen "homeless" in London use credit card swipers when they beg.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:43 AM (n9ltV)

Seemingly a must have with everyone abandoning cash nowadays.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

229 192 Homeless people post on Reddit? 🤣🤣

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 19, 2025 11:39 AM (udlma)

Homeless people have nicer cellphones than you or I do.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 19, 2025 11:46 AM (N39Ws)

230 217 Duck fat FTW!

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 19, 2025 11:42 AM (GTqXr)

YES!

I love duck, but harvesting a pint or so of duck fat when I roast one is definitely a reason I like duck!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:44 AM (n9ltV)

I buy my ostrich burgers with duck fat mixed in. Outstanding!

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 11:46 AM (pDt9x)

231 Duck fat, OH YEAH!

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2025 11:46 AM (sDNVV)

232 Rechargeable school buses is the one thing that makes sense, at least from a technical perspective: Short AM and PM runs with time to recharge in-between and overnight.

Problem is school buses are the cheapest buses around. There's no room in anyone's budget to lard on expensive EV stuff.
Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (1Nv0l)

IF you can keep them from lighting ablaze and killing your children.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

233 @203 the town of Jackson WY tried electric buses. They could never keep them on a regular schedule because the amount of time needed to charge combined with the increased drain of power caused by the cold winters rendered the buses useless. I believe it they ended the experiment

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 19, 2025 11:47 AM (1vqcm)

234 Junk food related - every Hostess snack ranked by a chef:

Worst: Cupcakes, Snoballs and Zingers
Best: Fruit Pies, Streusel Coffee Cakes and Lemon Drizzle Baby Bundts.

I've never even seen the Baby Bundts, but those Coffee Cakes are pretty damn good.

https://tinyurl.com/jjcc5bfh

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 19, 2025 11:47 AM (XvL8K)

235 213 My wife tells me that seed oils were originally developed as lubricants for equipment.

Posted by: Bulg at December

Prior to this, the development of cottonseed oil was to replace whale fat in oil lamps.

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:47 AM (p4NUW)

236 "Fulton County just officially admitted it illegally certified 315,000 ballots"

Like Fulton County has a mouth. WHO illegally certified 315,000 ballots?

Posted by: fd at December 19, 2025 11:47 AM (vFG9F)

237
My wife tells me that seed oils were originally developed as lubricants for equipment.
Posted by: Bulg

I was watching an old b/w documentary on the Elgin pocket watch factory. Evidently the oil they used for specific parts during assembly was a simple swipe of the side of the worker's nose the onto the part. No over oiling, and the human based oil seemed to not collect debris and dust as much as a petroleum based oils did.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at December 19, 2025 11:47 AM (QVmho)

238 Yeah, Crisco is nasty. I thought they might have changed the base, as it is notably nastier than it used to be.

One of the trends that is easy to see if you know to look, “temporary” emergency wartime expedients become longstanding & permanent ersatz replacements. This holds true with everything.

Hydrogenated fats were invented because of blockades, shortages, and rationing. Fats were critical for explosive manufacturing - glycerine or nitroglycerin. Your grocer would pay you a nickel a pound for bacon fat. Gotta kill more Japs, you see. Buy Another Bond!

Posted by: Common Tater at December 19, 2025 11:48 AM (IejsB)

239 Jerusalem Post:

When it comes to antisemitism, Wilkinson believes responsibility lies with the courts and police, not politicians. “Thinking about antisemitism in my community is hard when I can’t afford to live in my community,” he says. “That’s why I’ll be voting Labor again this year.”

—

How’s that working out for ya buddy?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 19, 2025 11:48 AM (udlma)

240 Come meet a woman who was terrified when she saw a gun-toting dad help his wife get their baby out of the car 😂

I went to Hobby Lobby to buy a small accent table when a minivan pulled into the spot next to me. A young family stepped out, and as the father tended to their newborn, I noticed a firearm strapped to his waist. I froze with fear — especially in light of the recent shooting in Rhode Island. It made me wonder how we're supposed to tell who is a threat and who is simply going about their lives.

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Who knew what that gun was going to do?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:48 AM (L/fGl)

241 At Ars Technica the commenters are experiencing full blown grief and anger over the passing of the electric F-150. It is rather lovely.

https://is.gd/L2qx31

Meanwhile, VDH, notes the passing of three refineries in California and the catastrophic impact this going to have on the state's economy. Of course this is all self-inflicted Communist green madness. The solution? Import gasoline form Asia - you can't make this up. For extra credit this is going to whack Nevada and Arizona too. Plus $8.00 per gallon gas in 2026.

https://youtu.be/SBbXJ5trgKg

Meanwhile the Phillips shutting down their refinery in CA has had a knock on effect in Washington State with the closing of their Ferndale refinery. This should not only create gasoline shortages in Washington State but also in Oregon as it is 100% dependent on Washington State for gasoline.

Communists are gonna do what Communists do. Let them walk.

Posted by: Gauloises and Gitanes at December 19, 2025 11:48 AM (HTCU3)

242 Andrew's General Rule #15:

Don't always believe the hype.

Posted by: Bad Andrew at December 19, 2025 11:48 AM (6qf1m)

243 My wife tells me that seed oils were originally developed as lubricants for equipment."

Smart wife. Yes, Rudolph Diesel used veg oils...

Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 11:48 AM (XuXeR)

244 How is a homeless guy posting on Reddit?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer

Obama Pho

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:49 AM (dAOkg)

245 > How is a homeless guy posting on Reddit?

Public libraries are now de facto homeless daycare. Libraries have computers.

Plenty of permanently homeless people have cell phones.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 19, 2025 11:49 AM (Yp6az)

246 EV is still going pretty strong in Europe and UK. In fact, these markets have been invaded and nearly taken over by Chineseium EV cars. The Chinese effectively took over 20% of the market literally overnight, with massive spending and investment. Brands people in the USA probably never heard of. BYD, Chery (Omoda, Jaecoo), Ora, etc.

All of these brands originally partnered with Western car makers (VW, etc) to develop EV cars and tech. The Chinese stole the tech, copied the business models to the letter, and then kicked out their Western partners. Same as it ever was.

Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

247 Ford has a better idea! - 1960s

ORLY???

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2025 11:49 AM (wVcYX)

248 More outstanding police work. Give those guys and gals some medals and a promotion.

Posted by: fd at December 19, 2025 11:50 AM (vFG9F)

249
I went to Hobby Lobby to buy a small accent table when a minivan pulled into the spot next to me. A young family stepped out, and as the father tended to their newborn, I noticed a firearm strapped to his waist. I froze with fear — especially in light of the recent shooting in Rhode Island. It made me wonder how we're supposed to tell who is a threat and who is simply going about their lives.

Lock yourself in your home. Order everything for delivery.

Never go out in the evil public again.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)

250 And beside, in another year or two there will be a study that shows seed oils are essential for good health.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (g8Ew

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Depends on the quality of the study. There are really crappy studies that got us into this whole thing in the first place.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:50 AM (krQz2)

251 219 What does everyone suppose is going to happen when the Democrats win the presidency and force the manufacturers to go back to building and selling EV's?

You know they'll do it.

They're reverse everything Trump put in place, good or bad because Trump. It's who they are.

Manufacturers around the globe bent the knee to the climate crisis church... they'll do it again.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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I think we are on the way to a breakup if that happens. But the Democrats are weaker than they appear from polling because a lot of their votes, as seen in Fulton Cty, are non existent bullshit ballots, not actual voters.

If WA, CO, AZ, OR, and CA got rid of mail in ballots as an election method, I guarantee you that Democrats would not be doing nearly as well in elections.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:50 AM (WDjG6)

252 249
I went to Hobby Lobby to buy a small accent table when a minivan pulled into the spot next to me. A young family stepped out, and as the father tended to their newborn, I noticed a firearm strapped to his waist. I froze with fear — especially in light of the recent shooting in Rhode Island. It made me wonder how we're supposed to tell who is a threat and who is simply going about their lives.

Lock yourself in your home. Order everything for delivery.

Never go out in the evil public again.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)

She froze, with Fear. The Horror!!

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 11:51 AM (pDt9x)

253 The Toyota BZ ev is a joke. It’s like they built it as a joke, middle Finger to EV mandates.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 19, 2025 11:51 AM (udlma)

254 The company is promising at some future date to release an extended range “EREV” pickup that will have a gasoline-powered generator alongside an electric drivetrain. That sounds just as preposterous as the concept behind plug-in hybrids.

Isn't that just a gas version of the diesel electric thing they use in cargo trains?

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 11:51 AM (a+4eV)

255 How is a homeless guy posting on Reddit?

Public libraries are now de facto homeless daycare. Libraries have computers.

Plenty of permanently homeless people have cell phones.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 19, 2025 11:49 AM (Yp6az)
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Plenty of homeless have girlfriends. There's an ass for every seat.

Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 11:51 AM (iFTx/)

256 They all truly believed that the US Government was going to force things to where they had a winning position.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Doesn't matter who's on your board, our votes are worth more.

Posted by: Reality and his good friend Physics at December 19, 2025 11:51 AM (CLARQ)

257 At Ars Technica the commenters are experiencing full blown grief and anger over the passing of the electric F-150. It is rather lovely.

https://is.gd/L2qx31

Meanwhile, VDH, notes the passing of three refineries in California and the catastrophic impact this going to have on the state's economy. Of course this is all self-inflicted Communist green madness. The solution? Import gasoline form Asia - you can't make this up. For extra credit this is going to whack Nevada and Arizona too. Plus $8.00 per gallon gas in 2026.

https://youtu.be/SBbXJ5trgKg

Meanwhile the Phillips shutting down their refinery in CA has had a knock on effect in Washington State with the closing of their Ferndale refinery. This should not only create gasoline shortages in Washington State but also in Oregon as it is 100% dependent on Washington State for gasoline.

Communists are gonna do what Communists do. Let them walk.
Posted by: Gauloises and Gitanes at December 19, 2025 11:48 AM (HTCU3)

Communism done right is like food and fuel.

Not everyine gets it.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2025 11:51 AM (wVcYX)

258
Obama Pho
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:49 AM (dAOkg)

When he start opening Vietnamese restaurants?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:51 AM (Zz0t1)

259 250 Depends on the quality of the study. There are really crappy studies that got us into this whole thing in the first place.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:50 AM (krQz2)

"Studies" will have whatever outcome the person funding them wants them to.

Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:51 AM (UnA8+)

260 Then people said no no no, we want a *small* pickup truck like the old Ranger. Ford said okay, and built the "Maverick," a 4-door Ford Escape with a very short pickup bed.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM (BTBWt)

A pickup with a 4' bed might as well be a Tonka truck. You have to have at least 6' to get anything hauled.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2025 11:52 AM (rbvCR)

261 219 What does everyone suppose is going to happen when the Democrats win the presidency and force the manufacturers to go back to building and selling EV's?

You know they'll do it."

I hope that will be quite a while, because that will be when the country breaks up into 4 or 5 successor states. But with any luck, we've got 40 or 50 years til we get there.

the 2030 census is going to wipe out the Dems on the federal level for a generation, at least.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:52 AM (uWKK8)

262 Can someone go do a welfare check on Joe Xiden?

Posted by: Chuck C at December 19, 2025 11:52 AM (D0HYP)

263 I have seen "homeless" in London use credit card swipers when they beg.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:43 AM (n9ltV)

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Pikers!

Willie Brown proposed that as Mayor of San Fransicko back in the early 2000's IIRC.

He also wanted to hire gang-bangers as "security" for "Muni" (MTA) buses and trains. What could go wrong?

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant and GayFontoPhobe at December 19, 2025 11:52 AM (NNq22)

264 Rechargeable school buses is the one thing that makes sense, at least from a technical perspective: Short AM and PM runs with time to recharge in-between and overnight."

Logistics raises a hand... so, how does one recharge 100 busses simultaneously? Or do you pay people to shuffle thru some number at a time? And when the band is going to a football game in another county....

Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (XuXeR)

265 @233 Yeah, I read about that one. But the company fitting out the buses didn't know what they were doing.

It's feasible in-principle. But it's never going to be cheap. It will never pay for itself.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (1Nv0l)

266 -- Toyota and Honda as mentioned above.

Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 11:44 AM

Both toyota and honda never jumped on the all EV train. They did double down on the hybrid side of the tracks and are cashing in on that every day.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (0N4FZ)

267 The Ford CFO broad comes out a week or so later stating that "People don't care what's under the hood. They care about the technology inside the cabin."
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:43 AM

The Paolo, he smiles.

Posted by: Paolo at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (0sNs1)

268 255 Plenty of homeless have girlfriends. There's an ass for every seat.
Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 11:51 AM (iFTx/)

In Commiefornia, the homeless get paid generous monthly stipends.

Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (UnA8+)

269 Maybe Ford burning $32 billion will siphon off some of the income The Ford Foundation relies on to show how much they hate us.

Posted by: DanMan at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (8uzBS)

270 Clearly the worst war-time expedient that has evolved into the biggest economic anchor around the country's neck was exempting "health insurance" coverage from income taxes.

At the time it was relatively minor as everything was different, but was the basis on which the entire superstructure of non-market irrational oligopolistic subsidized cost-shifting "health insurance" finance evolved.

Many noxious wheels turning in this picture but it all started there. Companies were constrained by wage controls, labor was short, so various marginal incentives were pursued to attract bodies.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (U/Byj)

271 Seemingly a must have with everyone abandoning cash nowadays.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

I never get cash in the UK. Why bother...literally everywhere I have ever frequented uses CCs.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (n9ltV)

272 >YES!

I love duck, but harvesting a pint or so of duck fat when I roast one is definitely a reason I like duck!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:44 AM (n9ltV)

My chilluns always request duck breasts for Christmas dinner - which means I'll be flush with duck fat for a few weeks. Nothing is as sublime as duck fat fried potatoes.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (GTqXr)

273 have seen "homeless" in London use credit card swipers when they beg.

—

It’s a thing in San Francisco too. Venmo as well.
It’s probably everywhere. The homeless are tech savvy I guess lol.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (udlma)

274 Depends on the quality of the study. There are really crappy studies that got us into this whole thing in the first place.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:50 AM (krQz2)

I don't care. Just give me the freedom to choose. Stop with the hysterical mandate bullshit.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (g8Ew8)

275 Potato driving, the newest European sport.

https://is.gd/0uNbIW

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (L/fGl)

276 Rechargeable school buses is the one thing that makes sense, at least from a technical perspective: Short AM and PM runs with time to recharge in-between and overnight.

Problem is school buses are the cheapest buses around. There's no room in anyone's budget to lard on expensive EV stuff.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (1Nv0l)

Plus maintenance is a big issue: School districts that took beaucoup Federal bucks to buy EV buses, with the accompanying fanfare, discover that maintaining them costs money that has to come from somewhere else. As in, from them. The EV buses then get quietly put away.

Posted by: Vendette at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (pJK38)

277 I have seen "homeless" in London use credit card swipers when they beg.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:43 AM (n9ltV)

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Pikers!

Willie Brown proposed that as Mayor of San Fransicko back in the early 2000's IIRC.

He also wanted to hire gang-bangers as "security" for "Muni" (MTA) buses and trains. What could go wrong?
Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant and GayFontoPhobe at December 19, 2025 11:52 AM (NNq22)

We have insights on that.

Posted by: The Rolling Stones at Altamont at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (wVcYX)

278

Both toyota and honda never jumped on the all EV train. They did double down on the hybrid side of the tracks and are cashing in on that every day.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (0N4FZ)

Honda did declare they were going all EV in the 2030's at one point.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)

279 I was watching an old b/w documentary on the Elgin pocket watch factory. Evidently the oil they used for specific parts during assembly was a simple swipe of the side of the worker's nose the onto the part. No over oiling, and the human based oil seemed to not collect debris and dust as much as a petroleum based oils did.
Posted by: BifBewalski - at December 19, 2025 11:47 AM (QVmho)
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Back when my grandfather taught me how to fly fish, he showed me how to rub the ferrule of a two-piece rod on your nose before you put the rod together, and the oil from your nose would keep the pieces from seizing together and also not make an oily mess.

Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (3BwY8)

280 Canola oxidizes fairly quickly. Smells like paint, or varnish.

It makes me slightly nauseous or ill even when fresh. I have always enjoyed potato chips with a good sammich, but they don’t taste quite] right with Canola.

There’s no telling what you’ll actually get, as it’s “May Contain One Or More Of The Following:” but Canola or Soybean oil is likely as they are the cheapest.

I’m no foodie snob, far from it. But I simply can’t eat that shit any longer, tears my innards up badly.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (15vO0)

281 250 And beside, in another year or two there will be a study that shows seed oils are essential for good health.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (g8Ew
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Depends on the quality of the study. There are really crappy studies that got us into this whole thing in the first place.
Posted by: Axeman
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Industry funded studies are part of the problem dating back to the sixties and fats instead of sugar being blamed for bad health. Eggs were blamed by LBJ for cholesterol simply because egg prices were high and LBJ did not want to get blamed.

Next look at the vaxx studies and the serious lack of studies for old drugs like Ivermectin etc. that are out of patent.

Scientists are NOT objective by and large if they want to last in the field. They have to scamble for funding from wherever they can scrounge it and that means playing ball to study what the 'consensus' wants studied or what some Sugar Daddy is willing to pay for.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (WDjG6)

282 The funniest thing about electric cars is the big insurance companies won't insure ocean transport ships because fires on them caused by electric car batteries can't be extinguished. Burn to the water line and sink

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (1vqcm)

283 I’m no foodie snob, far from it. But I simply can’t eat that shit any longer, tears my innards up badly.
Posted by: Common Tater
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Agree.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:55 AM (WDjG6)

284 I got a ride to work today in my Tesla Model 3. First time I used the self-driving mode. They have 5 settings from Chill to Mad Max. Very nice ride.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at December 19, 2025 11:55 AM (wGerL)

285 I do not know much about the good vs evil in the food world. What I do is take information gleaned from the internet, combine it with anecdotal evidence, and garnish it with confirmation bias. Cook it at 350 for a while and serve it up as my truth. Moron, in good standing.
Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 11:44 AM (pDt9x)

Simple test on what to eat: Would my great-grandmother have recognized this as food?

Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2025 11:55 AM (rbvCR)

286 EV is still going pretty strong in Europe and UK."

Government mandates tend to do such things...

Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 11:55 AM (XuXeR)

287 Obama Pho
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:49 AM

Please, no!

Posted by: Dogs everywhere at December 19, 2025 11:56 AM (0sNs1)

288 It's feasible in-principle. But it's never going to be cheap. It will never pay for itself.
Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (1Nv0l)
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I've heard that you're lucky to get your money back before a battery reaches end of life--which they do. And then you've got all that lithium ion that has to be disposed ... where??

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:56 AM (krQz2)

289 264 Rechargeable school buses is the one thing that makes sense, at least from a technical perspective: Short AM and PM runs with time to recharge in-between and overnight."

Logistics raises a hand... so, how does one recharge 100 busses simultaneously? Or do you pay people to shuffle thru some number at a time? And when the band is going to a football game in another county....
Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (XuXeR)

The funny part is the Rechargeable School Bus business has turned out to be one of the most catastrophic failures of the entire EV craze. School districts are having to scrap them within a year or two of purchase and going back to all diesel or gas buses.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 11:56 AM (uWKK8)

290 Then people said no no no, we want a *small* pickup truck like the old Ranger. Ford said okay, and built the "Maverick," a 4-door Ford Escape with a very short pickup bed.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2025 11:05 AM (BTBWt)

A pickup with a 4' bed might as well be a Tonka truck. You have to have at least 6' to get anything hauled.
Posted by: Kindltot

*cough cough 8 ft bed cough cough*

Plywood and 2x4's laying flat.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:56 AM (dAOkg)

291 250 And beside, in another year or two there will be a study that shows seed oils are essential for good health.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (g8Ew
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Depends on the quality of the study. There are really crappy studies that got us into this whole thing in the first place.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11

Those studies exist now, and there is some truth to them in terms of cholesterol- but again, the thing to remember here is moderation, it’s fine. You aren’t out there drinking seed oils to get enough linoleic acid to affect inflammation. Use the oil that tastes good for your purpose, whether plant or animal based.

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:56 AM (p4NUW)

292 Canola oil is also a case study in marketing.

Someone was smart enough to realize that it was going to be tough sledding selling RAPESEED oil to housewives, so they made up a new name.

Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 11:56 AM (3BwY8)

293 >Both toyota and honda never jumped on the all EV train. They did double down on the hybrid side of the tracks and are cashing in on that every day.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (0N4FZ)

Ford is FUBAR. They bet the farm on an electrified pick up. Killed all sedans and just axed their best selling ICE SUV. Best of luck selling overpriced pick-up trucks.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 19, 2025 11:57 AM (GTqXr)

294 "Fulton County just officially admitted it illegally certified 315,000 ballots"

Like Fulton County has a mouth. WHO illegally certified 315,000 ballots?
Posted by: fd at December 19, 2025 11:47 AM (vFG9F)
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https://tinyurl.com/petwsxkd

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2025 11:57 AM (L7ZUk)

295 The solution? Import gasoline form Asia - you can't make this up. For extra credit this is going to whack Nevada and Arizona too. Plus $8.00 per gallon gas in 2026.

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Having driven 85,000 miles/year for work over the past 13 years in Arizona, looks like I picked the right year to retire (sometime in 2026).

Ugh.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant and GayFontoPhobe at December 19, 2025 11:57 AM (NNq22)

296 echargeable school buses is the one thing that makes sense, at least from a technical perspective: Short AM and PM runs with time to recharge in-between and overnight."

Logistics raises a hand... so, how does one recharge 100 busses simultaneously? Or do you pay people to shuffle thru some number at a time? And when the band is going to a football game in another county....
Posted by: man

The obvious solution to keeping the fleet running is to have 2x times more buses. That allows 1/2 the fleet to recharge while the other 1/2 is being used. QED. EVs are so so dreamy.

Posted by: Gauloises and Gitanes at December 19, 2025 11:57 AM (HTCU3)

297 Lard for pie crusts. Accept no substitutes.
Posted by: tuba

Is fantastic. We've also used bacon grease for the crust, if the filling of the pie would be savory.

It does give a different texture than just butter for your crust, but you can always go half butter and half lard and get the best of both worlds

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 11:57 AM (a+4eV)

298 EV is still going pretty strong in Europe and UK."

Government mandates tend to do such things...
Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 11:55 AM (XuXeR)
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Europe is multi-party fascist.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:57 AM (krQz2)

299 By the way, animal fats were used as lubricants in chariots so there is that.

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:57 AM (p4NUW)

300 262
‘ Can someone go do a welfare check on Joe Xiden?’

He probably just read this comment.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 19, 2025 11:57 AM (jbnUc)

301 Rechargeable school buses is the one thing that makes sense, at least from a technical perspective: Short AM and PM runs with time to recharge in-between and overnight."

Logistics raises a hand... so, how does one recharge 100 busses simultaneously?

All schools and football stadiums must be built next to submarine pens.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:57 AM (dAOkg)

302 Nothing is as sublime as duck fat fried potatoes.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM (GTqXr)

Oh yes. Amazing stuff.

Have you had deep fried in duck fat? That's completely over the top and incredible.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:58 AM (n9ltV)

303 I don't care. Just give me the freedom to choose. Stop with the hysterical mandate bullshit.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 19, 2025 11:54 AM

You don't need choices, Comrade.

Posted by: Comrade Sanders at December 19, 2025 11:58 AM (0sNs1)

304 Plenty of homeless have girlfriends. There's an ass for every seat.
Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade

Believe me, homeless dudes offer up plenty of ass!

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at December 19, 2025 11:58 AM (JCZqz)

305 > Seed oils are worse than cigarettes.

LOL, no. Replacing saturated fats with PUFAs from seed oils lowers LDL and reduces CVD risk. Many many reviews have confirmed this.

The biggest argument against seed oil is that it causes inflammation and oxidative stress. This isn't supported in any of the recent reviews.

Reviews of seed oils among diabetic and dyslipidemic
patients found seed oils improve lipid profiles, glycemic control, and reduce oxidative stress markers.

Most of the bullshit about seed oils come from old re-analyzed experiments from 50-60 years ago and supposition that's been proved over and over to be false.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 19, 2025 11:58 AM (Yp6az)

306 Tesla’s stock is up 120% from its April low and hit a record earlier this week. It’s down slightly since. Electric AVs is where the future is for Tesla and investors are betting big on it.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 19, 2025 11:58 AM (udlma)

307 299 By the way, animal fats were used as lubricants in chariots so there is that.
Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:57 AM (p4NUW)

Saw that movie, Chariots of Lard. Great flick.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 11:59 AM (pDt9x)

308 Has "MisterJack" ever showed up in a Buck EV thread?

One of the most amusing delusional commenters who just breezily asserted EVs were clearly the wave of the near and distant future, acceptance was growing, performance was improving, blah blah blah.

Hardly the only topic on which one can see this, but the disconnect between reality and ideology/wishcasting/emotion that now ravages society was never more clearly illustrated.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2025 11:59 AM (U/Byj)

309 And beside, in another year or two there will be a study that shows seed oils are essential for good health.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 19, 2025 11:45 AM (g8Ew

In Canada they are toying with the idea of bringing back the concept of "laudable pus" due to the cost of things like antiseptics and single use surgical tools under the state health service

(Ok, maybe I made that up)

Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2025 11:59 AM (rbvCR)

310 Honda did declare they were going all EV in the 2030's at one point."

Well, the actual press release was that they "could" be all EV in the US and Canada by 2040...

Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 11:59 AM (XuXeR)

311 Oh my gosh, I know you are going to laugh at this, but I buy Hippeas cheese puffs.

Not at all. Costco carried some really good chickpea Cheetohs for awhile, but alas, they are no longer available.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 11:59 AM (Riz8t)

312 ""Fulton County just officially admitted it illegally certified 315,000 ballots"

Like Fulton County has a mouth. WHO illegally certified 315,000 ballots?
Posted by: fd at December 19, 2025 11:47 AM (vFG9F)
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https://tinyurl.com/petwsxkd
Posted by: Huck Follywood"

"The Federalist inquired with the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office as to who was responsible for accepting Fulton County’s tabulator tapes despite there being no signatures at all. The office did not return a request for comment at the time of publication."

Yeah.

Posted by: fd at December 19, 2025 11:59 AM (vFG9F)

313 292 Canola oil is also a case study in marketing.

Someone was smart enough to realize that it was going to be tough sledding selling RAPESEED oil to housewives, so they made up a new name.
Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 11:56 AM (3BwY

They also knew Canuck oil wasn't going to cut it.

Posted by: Roy at December 19, 2025 11:59 AM (BZF07)

314 291 Those studies exist now, and there is some truth to them in terms of cholesterol- but again, the thing to remember here is moderation, it’s fine. You aren’t out there drinking seed oils to get enough linoleic acid to affect inflammation. Use the oil that tastes good for your purpose, whether plant or animal based.
Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:56 AM (p4NUW)

Don't tell the Steroid Bros out there.

Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 11:59 AM (UnA8+)

315 Both toyota and honda never jumped on the all EV train. They did double down on the hybrid side of the tracks and are cashing in on that every day.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 19, 2025 11:53 AM (0N4FZ)

Ford is FUBAR. They bet the farm on an electrified pick up. Killed all sedans and just axed their best selling ICE SUV. Best of luck selling overpriced pick-up trucks.
Posted by: Heavy Metal

Apparently the F-150 EV plan now is to build a truck that has a gasoline engine whose only purpose is to act as an electric generator for the battery. What is this, a comedy routine?

Posted by: Gauloises and Gitanes at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (HTCU3)

316 EV is still going pretty strong in Europe and UK."

Government mandates tend to do such things...

But European's are douchebags that drive maybe 10 miles a day, if that. When they travel longer distances they usually take mass transit. Again, Euro's are douchebags.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (abIsI)

317 Worst: Cupcakes, Snoballs and Zingers
Best: Fruit Pies, Streusel Coffee Cakes and Lemon Drizzle Baby Bundts.

I've never even seen the Baby Bundts, but those Coffee Cakes are pretty damn good.

https://tinyurl.com/jjcc5bfh

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 19, 2025 11:47 AM (XvL8K)

Blasphemy. Snoballs and Zingers are great.

Posted by: Pure snobbery! Snobbery I say! at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (TbWk/)

318 The Rolling Stones at Altamont

I read an interesting piece on that, as part of a Grateful Dead book,

The Hell’s Angels claim that is just pretty much short of complete nonsense. They weren’t hired to do much of anything, and they don’t play cops. There was an informal agreement to keep an eye on the generators. When asked how they wanted to be paid, they said “We like beer”, and that was about. They did beat the shit out of a bunch of people, and kill somebody who was rushing the stage with a pistol.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (15vO0)

319 Simple test on what to eat: Would my great-grandmother have recognized this as food?
Posted by: Kindltot

Not necessarily a great test, if your great-grandma was poor enough.

"Food" might include things like squirrels or chitlins.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (a+4eV)

320 What is interesting about EVs is that the new Samsung Silver-Carbon battery looks as though it might actually make them practical. The new battery gives a range 8-9 hundred miles, can charge in 9 minutes and is projected to have a lifespan of 20 years. Samsung solved the dendrite problem that limits other batteries by using a Silver-Carbon anode in the battery. They have reportedly tied up the silver production of Mexico for these batteries.

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (Da7Vv)

321 286 EV is still going pretty strong in Europe and UK."

Government mandates tend to do such things...
Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 11:55 AM (XuXeR)

Actually it isn't. Government has managed to force people to stop buying gas powered cars, mostly, but overall automobile purchases are cratering, and the Euro car companies are still losing large amounts of money and shutting down factories.
Europe is heading towards a future where there will be almost no European car manufacturing left, and all cars worldwide will be built in China, India, Japan, and the US (with a handful of other smaller players like Korea)

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (uWKK8)

322 302 Have you had deep fried in duck fat? That's completely over the top and incredible.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:58 AM (n9ltV)

There used to be a bar around here that sold duck fat potato chips as one of their sides.

I didn't like them that much.

Posted by: XTC at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (UnA8+)

323 244 Obama Pho

pho king > obama pho

Posted by: anachronda at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (edU/H)

324 Behold all the CNG city buses and pick-em-up trucks!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (wVcYX)

325 Someone was smart enough to realize that it was going to be tough sledding selling RAPESEED oil to housewives, so they made up a new name.
Posted by: ballistic
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Unless it's 3 men simultaneously...

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at December 19, 2025 12:01 PM (1Nv0l)

326
Well, the actual press release was that they "could" be all EV in the US and Canada by 2040...
Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 11:59 AM (XuXeR)

I was going by the commercials they were running on TV where they said they'd be going all EV by 2036 or so.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 12:01 PM (Zz0t1)

327 >Oh yes. Amazing stuff.

Have you had deep fried in duck fat? That's completely over the top and incredible.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:58 AM (n9ltV)

There is a bistro nearby that serves a veal Milanese fried in duck fat. It is stupid good.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 19, 2025 12:01 PM (GTqXr)

328 Most of the bullshit about seed oils come from old re-analyzed experiments from 50-60 years ago and supposition that's been proved over and over to be false.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 19, 2025 11:58 AM (Yp6az)
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Then explain how I got the best lab numbers in my life having given up seed oils and sticking mainly to saturated fats? All my cholesterol numbers were optimal.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 12:01 PM (krQz2)

329 Ratshitburger was responsible. I hope when the TRUMP!!! curse hits it hurts.

Posted by: fd at December 19, 2025 12:01 PM (vFG9F)

330 If WA, CO, AZ, OR, and CA got rid of mail in ballots as an election method, I guarantee you that Democrats would not be doing nearly as well in elections.
Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 11:50 AM (WDjG6)

If Trump follows the EO setting Fentanyl as a WMD to the extreme conclusion, I expect quite a number of people currently and formerly in the executive branches in these states to wind up in Gitmo.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2025 12:01 PM (rbvCR)

331 >>> 136 Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:22 AM (dAOkg)
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There's another thing that temperature list represents.

How hard it is for humans to break those substances down as well. For example, we can't digest corn at all.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:27 AM (krQz2)

Apparently it has to be processed with lye (?) in order for us to be able to process the niacin it contains, which is not an issue with wheat.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 19, 2025 12:01 PM (ULPxl)

332 Fritos are probably the healthiest processed snack out there: corn, fried in corn oil and garnished with salt.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:02 PM (a+4eV)

333 Not necessarily a great test, if your great-grandma was poor enough.

"Food" might include things like squirrels or chitlins.
Posted by: FeatherBlade

Squirrel - Chicken of the Trees

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 12:02 PM (dAOkg)

334
Scientists are NOT objective by and large if they want to last in the field. They have to scamble for funding from wherever they can scrounge it and that means playing ball to study what the 'consensus' wants studied or what some Sugar Daddy is willing to pay for.
Posted by: whig at December

When you go to nutritionist school, you get to study all these changes and the whys behind them. It cracks me up because in the end, you get the same answer - moderation. We can save a lot of money and just go there. lol. I am kidding, of course, there are definitely nutrients we need and better ways than others to get them, but surprisingly often, this is the answer.

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 12:02 PM (p4NUW)

335 327 >Oh yes. Amazing stuff.

Have you had deep fried in duck fat? That's completely over the top and incredible.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 11:58 AM (n9ltV)

There is a bistro nearby that serves a veal Milanese fried in duck fat. It is stupid good.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 19, 2025 12:01 PM (GTqXr)

Real poutine uses fresh cut fries, duck confit and fresh cheese curds. Duck confit is the trick.

Posted by: Roy at December 19, 2025 12:02 PM (BZF07)

336 319 Simple test on what to eat: Would my great-grandmother have recognized this as food?
Posted by: Kindltot

Not necessarily a great test, if your great-grandma was poor enough.

"Food" might include things like squirrels or chitlins.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (a+4eV)

Have eaten both. Squirrel, si. Chitlins hell no.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 12:02 PM (pDt9x)

337 We know a person that bought a Ford Lightning. He was so obnoxious about it telling us "You're ICE truck will be out of date in a few years. I can power a neighborhood from my truck..." Now he's worrying about finding parts going forward. LOL Ahole.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2025 12:02 PM (abIsI)

338 I have heard that if they didn't bleach the smell out of canola oil, you wouldn't want it in the house.

So they have to bleach it, and then they have to chemically process it to extract the bleach they eliminated the smell with.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 12:03 PM (krQz2)

339 There is a bistro nearby that serves a veal Milanese fried in duck fat. It is stupid good.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 19, 2025 12:01 PM (GTqXr)

WHERE DO YOU LIVE?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 12:03 PM (n9ltV)

340 Meanwhile in New Mexico the Communists running the place are not backing down from their EV mandates. The first target is to have 40% of all new cars sold in 2026 be EVs.

Note to self: 2026 is a couple weeks away and I can count the number of EVs I see driving around Las Cruces on any given day on one hand. Not gonna happen.

Posted by: Gauloises and Gitanes at December 19, 2025 12:03 PM (HTCU3)

341 Saw that movie, Chariots of Lard. Great flick.
Posted by: tubal

Is that the one where ancient astronauts taught the Easter Islanders how to make sawmill gravy?

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)

342 308 Has "MisterJack" ever showed up in a Buck EV thread?

One of the most amusing delusional commenters who just breezily asserted EVs were clearly the wave of the near and distant future, acceptance was growing, performance was improving, blah blah blah.

Hardly the only topic on which one can see this, but the disconnect between reality and ideology/wishcasting/emotion that now ravages society was never more clearly illustrated.
Posted by: rhomboid
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It is fairly easy to tell who reads/watches the mainstream media and who does not.

I like tech but much of the reporting on it is always laudatory to the point of shiling for this or that product.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 12:03 PM (WDjG6)

343 Then explain how I got the best lab numbers in my life having given up seed oils and sticking mainly to saturated fats? All my cholesterol numbers were optimal.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19,

Was this the only change you made?

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 12:03 PM (p4NUW)

344 "I can power a neighborhood from my truck..." "

Sure. For ten minutes. Then what?

Posted by: fd at December 19, 2025 12:03 PM (vFG9F)

345 Saw that movie, Chariots of Lard. Great flick.
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Spatula was dispatched at the Coliseum.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (Wg6v7)

346 That allows 1/2 the fleet to recharge while the other 1/2 is being used"

Shhhhh. Don't look, but that's how large scale EV batteries actually work. Ever wonder why the blurbs are "80% recharge in 20 minutes "? It's to maintain battery life... and it works, but you're always toting around 20% + of uncharged battery...

Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (XuXeR)

347 320 What is interesting about EVs is that the new Samsung Silver-Carbon battery looks as though it might actually make them practical. The new battery gives a range 8-9 hundred miles, can charge in 9 minutes and is projected to have a lifespan of 20 years. Samsung solved the dendrite problem that limits other batteries by using a Silver-Carbon anode in the battery. They have reportedly tied up the silver production of Mexico for these batteries.

It sounds great, but I've been through more than enough battery (and other) hype cycles to remain skeptical. I hope it is all that they say it is.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (Riz8t)

348 Behold all the CNG city buses and pick-em-up trucks!
Posted by: Count de Monet

I worked with a guy in '82 who had a CNG converter on his pickup truck.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (dAOkg)

349 >>> 337 We know a person that bought a Ford Lightning. He was so obnoxious about it telling us "You're ICE truck will be out of date in a few years. I can power a neighborhood from my truck..." Now he's worrying about finding parts going forward. LOL Ahole.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2025 12:02 PM (abIsI)

He can power a neighborhood? Really, for how long? Does that neighborhood include a|g0re's house?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (ULPxl)

350 Saw that movie, Chariots of Lard. Great flick.
Posted by: tubal

Did it have an absolutely awful title song as well?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (Zz0t1)

351 @Whig and semi-literate: With BESS, the light weight of lithium isn't an advantage. It's still used because that's what exists and is best adapted for the purpose, but the primary reason to use lithium in most applications (as opposed to even regular old lead-acid batteries) is that in mobile applications the light weight of lithium is an acceptable tradeoff for the cost. Remember that in vehicle and other mobile applications, part of the energy released by the battery is used to move the battery, so you're looking at the net energy. When the use is stationary, it doesn't matter what the battery weighs, so lithium is less advantaged.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (eStot)

352 341 Saw that movie, Chariots of Lard. Great flick.
Posted by: tubal

Is that the one where ancient astronauts taught the Easter Islanders how to make sawmill gravy?
Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)

That’s the one! They used bacon grease, or duck fat.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (pDt9x)

353 313 They also knew Canuck oil wasn't going to cut it.

could work if they added a bit of maple syrup

Posted by: anachronda at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (edU/H)

354
Ford has also announced that it is getting into the industrial-scale battery electric storage systems business, also knowns as “BESS.” Let me be the first to confidently predict that there will be a multi-billion-dollar write-off for Ford’s BESS distraction in coming years.

They'd have probably been better off going into the BESS business from the start. Every cellular telephone site, switching center, cable TV hub, landline telephone facility etc has backup batteries. In many cases it's mandated by FCC that these sites have x number of hours of battery backup capacity, over and above their backup diesel generators.

But of course, they went EV not just because they wanted to save the planet, but to chase down those sweet, sweet government subsidy dollars.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (y9nCu)

355 Pho noodles >> pho king > obama pho

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2025 12:05 PM (abIsI)

356 And when the band is going to a football game in another county....
Posted by: man
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Keep a few diesel buses around.

It makes sense. Just like plugin hybrids make a lot of sense. I'd rather charge at home than go to the gas station for the 90% of trips I do that can be comfortably all-electric.

What doesn't make sense and never will is all-EV mandates.

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at December 19, 2025 12:05 PM (1Nv0l)

357 By the way, animal fats were used as lubricants in chariots so there is that.
Posted by: Piper

..not like they had better options, back then...

I keep saying, that's one of the miracles of petroleum refining: it enabled people to stop using edible fats for things other than eating.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:05 PM (a+4eV)

358 By the way, animal fats were used as lubricants in chariots so there is that.

my old Chevy truck used whale oil in the differential

Posted by: DanMan at December 19, 2025 12:05 PM (8uzBS)

359 >>> 342

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It is fairly easy to tell who reads/watches the mainstream media and who does not.

I like tech but much of the reporting on it is always laudatory to the point of shiling for this or that product.
Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 12:03 PM (WDjG6)

AI will increase coders' productivity by 10x!!!

Posted by: AI marketers at December 19, 2025 12:05 PM (ULPxl)

360 yum yum shit
yummy shit pebbles
in my mouth

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith... the anal behind anal sex at December 19, 2025 12:06 PM (lYvO3)

361 Then explain how I got the best lab numbers in my life having given up seed oils and sticking mainly to saturated fats? All my cholesterol numbers were optimal.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19,

Was this the only change you made?
Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 12:03 PM (p4NUW)
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Some supplements as needed, and minimal sugars. Trying to eat as clean as I could, with minimal preservatives.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 12:07 PM (krQz2)

362 yum yum shit
yummy shit pebbles
in my mouth
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith

Sure!

The people "verifying" the signatures don't follow those rules.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:07 PM (a+4eV)

363 That allows 1/2 the fleet to recharge while the other 1/2 is being used" Shhhhh. Don't look, but that's how large scale EV batteries actually work. Ever wonder why the blurbs are "80% recharge in 20 minutes "? It's to maintain battery life... and it works, but you're always toting around 20% + of uncharged battery... Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (XuXeR)

I know a warehouse where they use electric forklift-type applications. They have 3 sets of batteries: One in the vehicle, one cooling, and one charging. They swap them out every 8 hours. Plain old lead-acid batteries, by the way.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 19, 2025 12:07 PM (eStot)

364 The Hell’s Angels claim that is just pretty much short of complete nonsense.

And if you can't take the word of the Hell's Angels, whose can you take?

Posted by: Oddbob at December 19, 2025 12:07 PM (3nLb4)

365 I had an “expert” ‘splain to me that Butter can not be used in Cornbread. Said I needed to do more research.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 19, 2025 12:08 PM (3pkwM)

366 Most of the bullshit about seed oils come from old re-analyzed experiments from 50-60 years ago and supposition that's been proved over and over to be false.
Posted by: bonhomme at December

You speak truth, I love how our messaging is different styles, though. But this is spot on.

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 12:08 PM (p4NUW)

367 Excellent post and article, Buckster!

As a mechanical engineer for 30 years I have been astounded every day since the 2000s when they have purposely stolen our tax money to fund the environmental cartels who choose to know nothing about physics. Theft. All of it.

Google Map Chisago county in MN and zoom in on the southern end where all of our fertile farmland has been covered by toxic solar panels made by our enemy in China.

Disgusting.

Posted by: Danimal28 at December 19, 2025 12:08 PM (mNOhh)

368 *cough cough 8 ft bed cough cough*

Plywood and 2x4's laying flat.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 11:56 AM (dAOkg)

Oh, I agree, if you are going to have a real pickup, you need an 8'6" bed, 4' between the wheel wells. However, for running around town and picking up a couple totes or a quarter yard of sand, a light pickup is your friend.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2025 12:08 PM (rbvCR)

369 Samsung is also working on cold fusion I bet. LOL

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2025 12:08 PM (abIsI)

370 Electric AVs is where the future is for Tesla and investors are betting big on it.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

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Is this Intercepted Reddit Transmissions?

Tesla has paid to Musk more than it has ever earned. Tesla stock runs purely on whatever the next Musk BS story is. Tesla doesn't make any money.

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at December 19, 2025 12:08 PM (1Nv0l)

371 Neighbor bought a new Tesla because he’s retired, bored, and the FSD tech is pretty neat. I advised taking it to the nearest stone circle and having the resident Druid exorcise whatever demons may be lurking.

Who is John Galt ?

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at December 19, 2025 12:08 PM (23/y9)

372 Plain old lead-acid batteries, by the way.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon

That's the heavy way to do it.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:08 PM (a+4eV)

373 I had an “expert” ‘splain to me that Butter can not be used in Cornbread.
Posted by: Common Tater

How about carrots? Maple syrup?

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 12:09 PM (77rzZ)

374 And if you can't take the word of the Hell's Angels, whose can you take?
——-

Yes, this is the point I neglected to mention.

Over Mick Jagger?

Hell yes.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 19, 2025 12:09 PM (3pkwM)

375 373 I had an “expert” ‘splain to me that Butter can not be used in Cornbread.
Posted by: Common Tater

How about carrots? Maple syrup?
Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 12:09 PM (77rzZ)

Sawdust is a great cornbread extender for the budget minded.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 12:09 PM (pDt9x)

376 What is interesting about EVs is that the new Samsung Silver-Carbon battery looks as though it might actually make them practical. The new battery gives a range 8-9 hundred miles, can charge in 9 minutes and is projected to have a lifespan of 20 years. Samsung solved the dendrite problem that limits other batteries by using a Silver-Carbon anode in the battery. They have reportedly tied up the silver production of Mexico for these batteries.

It sounds great, but I've been through more than enough battery (and other) hype cycles to remain skeptical. I hope it is all that they say it is.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (Riz8t)
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I'll believe it when I see it. Plus, the comment above isn't accurate about what their capabilities are. It's "up to" 600 miles, which isn't far off from current (bullshit) claims about range. Same with charging. If you have access to one of those super-fast (and expensive) charging stations, and an 800 volt architecture, you can charge in maybe 10-15 minutes. So these new batteries don't move the game on that much further.

Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 12:10 PM (iFTx/)

377 Some supplements as needed, and minimal sugars. Trying to eat as clean as I could, with minimal preservatives.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 12

Yay! I love this answer. Guess why your numbers are better?

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 12:10 PM (p4NUW)

378 If you're ever in Mandalay Bay on the Vegas strip, hit up StripSteak. I would fight people for their duck fat fries, and they are gratis if you buy any other food.

Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2025 12:10 PM (3BwY8)

379 Posted by: Aliassmithsmith Sure! The people "verifying" the signatures don't follow those rules. Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:07 PM (a+4eV)

The Democrats go down to the courthouse and sue and say people are being disenfranchised and a Democrat judge says the votes have to be counted, then the ballots are mixed in with the other ballots so there's no way to know which ones didn't follow the rules. THIS JUST HAPPENED.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 19, 2025 12:10 PM (eStot)

380 "Ford getting involved in battery storage systems makes as much sense as when Exxon decided to manufacture and sell office machinery."

Actually, it's the opposite: Exxon's 1980s office venture (word processors/typewriters) flopped amid fierce competition from Xerox/IBM, costing billions.
Ford is smartly repurposing EV battery plants for large-scale LFP container systems (>5MWh) to power grids/data centers—stabilizing renewables, regulating frequency, providing backup amid AI-driven demand. This booming market (Tesla's Megapacks are highly profitable) aligns perfectly with Ford's expertise.
LFP is exceptionally safe: higher thermal stability, lower fire risk than alternatives, ideal for stationary use. Strategic pivot to high-margin growth. This is not new, you are (as always) behind the curve (Google "AES deploys 20 MW of storage in the Dominican Republic")

Posted by: DominicanVoices at December 19, 2025 12:10 PM (9IJFs)

381 can power a neighborhood from my truck..."

'Lecticity, how does it work?

FWIW, there just isn't any "new battery technology"... it's just nibbling around the edges of charging times, packaging, and manufacturing.

Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 12:10 PM (XuXeR)

382
I've never even seen the Baby Bundts, but those Coffee Cakes are pretty damn good.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

Those things are GREAT!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 19, 2025 12:10 PM (pkeXY)

383 And so it begins...at long f***ing last.

White men urged to report DEI-related discrimination to Equal Employment Opportunity Commission: Trump admin

https://is.gd/9k2CMR

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 12:11 PM (Riz8t)

384 That's the heavy way to do it.
Posted by: FeatherBlade

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Which is fine for a forklift, since they have ballast anyway. Just make part of it the batteries.

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at December 19, 2025 12:11 PM (1Nv0l)

385 373 I had an “expert” ‘splain to me that Butter can not be used in Cornbread.
Posted by: Common Tater

How about carrots? Maple syrup?
Posted by: Bulg at December 19

If you put anything sweet in your cornbread, we cannot be on speaking terms. 😂

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 12:11 PM (p4NUW)

386 Yes, this is the point I neglected to mention.

Over Mick Jagger?

Hell yes.

Fair cop.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 19, 2025 12:12 PM (3nLb4)

387 So...seed oils are used in conjunction with lithium-ion batteries to perpetrate election fraud.

Posted by: Trying to summarize at December 19, 2025 12:12 PM (TbWk/)

388 oops. sock off.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 12:12 PM (1Nv0l)

389 So...seed oils are used in conjunction with lithium-ion batteries to perpetrate election fraud.
Posted by: Trying to summarize

ChatGPT couldn't have said it any better

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:12 PM (a+4eV)

390 > Then explain how I got the best lab numbers in my life having given up seed oils and sticking mainly to saturated fats? All my cholesterol numbers were optimal.

*shrug*
That's not data. You probably changed more than one variable.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 19, 2025 12:12 PM (Yp6az)

391 If you put anything sweet in your cornbread, we cannot be on speaking terms. 😂

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 12:11 PM (p4NUW)

Jalapeno, cheddar, and bacon.

It is known.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 12:12 PM (n9ltV)

392 When you go to nutritionist school, you get to study all these changes and the whys behind them. It cracks me up because in the end, you get the same answer - moderation.
Posted by: Piper
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I used to do big empirical studies and a lot of the statistical methods necessary for certain tasks were first pioneered in medical statistics. The problem with most studies is a) we cannot feed people Purina Human Chow switching out key ingredients for decades to get a decent fix on optimal human food, b) impossible to separate out environmental effects like air pollution, chemicals in water and food, medicines, genetics, etc., and c) cost of panel studies running for decades is enormous and you have to have a much bigger panel at first because of attrition from people dropping out of studies. We have added d) where a lot of 'answers' are simply unacceptable socially so we muddle messages (salt intake for one).

We have multiplied the number of variables to the extent that generalities like moderation are about the easiest solution to very complex interactions among relevant variables.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 12:13 PM (WDjG6)

393 I keep saying, that's one of the miracles of petroleum refining: it enabled people to stop using edible fats for things other than eating. Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:05 PM (a+4eV)

Whales would have gone extinct 100 years ago.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 19, 2025 12:13 PM (eStot)

394 Squirrel - Chicken of the Trees

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2025 12:02 PM (dAOkg)

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Heh.

Now I've got an earworm:

"Ask any squirrel you happen to see ..."

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant and GayFontoPhobe at December 19, 2025 12:13 PM (NNq22)

395 Why were we on the road to an EV future to begin with?

It all has to do with funding the Left and it's sources: most of the 'green energy' corps were all left-leaning and funding those causes. Vice the 'oiligarchy' companies we're more familiar with. They are far more conservative (although they do donate to Dems) than the EV crowd, and by mandating a move off of gas vehicles, it would help fund more of the left's people. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at December 19, 2025 12:13 PM (SOGBX)

396 Animal fats as lubricant. My old Polish Landlady and her family were forced labor for the Krauts in WW2. The factory they worked at had a fairly decent "Herr Direktor" who would turn a blind eye to the Poles taking lard back to their quarters.They lubed everything in the plant with lard as the war progressed.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 19, 2025 12:13 PM (gm9Sb)

397
Meanwhile, the MSM seems to be tastefully averting their eyes from AOC's threats, brave stances, and fist-pumping declarations on climate change.

"THIS is our generation's MOON SHOT!" she said.

I wonder if she's still standing by it for that matter.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 19, 2025 12:13 PM (n7rxJ)

398 I had an “expert” ‘splain to me that Butter can not be used in Cornbread.

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I have a recipe book with recipes from an older, black southern woman who used to run a restaurant. Her cornbread recipe uses melted butter in the batter and is the absolute best cornbread I've ever eaten.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 19, 2025 12:13 PM (qBdHI)

399 "and the company will no longer try to cram recalcitrant consumers into electric vehicles."

Well it's about time.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 19, 2025 12:14 PM (O7YUW)

400 If you put anything sweet in your cornbread, we cannot be on speaking terms. 😂
Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 12:11 PM (p4NUW)

are you saying it's wrong to use the Jiffy Cornbread mix from the store? Cuz' if Jiffy Cornbread is wrong, I don't wanna be right!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 12:14 PM (uWKK8)

401 I keep saying, that's one of the miracles of petroleum refining: it enabled people to stop using edible fats for things other than eating.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:05 PM (a+4eV)
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Right, so it created a standard of lubrication that no other substance has been able to equal.

In the early 20th century they tried to manufacture a synthetic oil out of chemically extracted plant oils, but they failed to meet that standard. But investors put so much money into this enterprise that they wanted to find some use for the technology.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 12:14 PM (krQz2)

402 The problem with most studies is a) we cannot feed people Purina Human Chow switching out key ingredients for decades to get a decent fix on optimal human food,

... I have an idea for what to do with all the homeless druggies once we succeed in institutionalizing them again.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:14 PM (a+4eV)

403 I think the big problem for Ford versus Toyota was exactly that the F150 was such a hugely popular vehicle. CAFE standards are based on the entire sales base of vehicles which includes everything up through standard pickups IIRC. For every 15mpg F150 Ford would have to sell a couple of 60mpg vehicles to get a 45mpg average, and Ford just didn't have enough sales of hybrids or econo-roller-skates so they had to go with the 0mpg option to balance the number of F150s they were selling.

Posted by: Christopher B at December 19, 2025 12:14 PM (FUa6R)

404 That's not data. You probably changed more than one variable.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 19, 2025 12:12 PM (Yp6az)

Or it worked for him. Which means absolutely nothing, other than, "it worked for him!"

I always rely on studies with an "N" of 1.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2025 12:14 PM (n9ltV)

405 "THIS is our generation's MOON SHOT!" she said.

I'd like a moon shot from her.

Posted by: That guy who makes everything sexual at December 19, 2025 12:14 PM (Riz8t)

406 387 So...seed oils are used in conjunction with lithium-ion batteries to perpetrate election fraud.
Posted by: Trying to summarize
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Seed oil frying is the only way to properly season the Lithium ion batteries so that a runaway reaction occurs which burns all the evidence of election fraud.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 12:15 PM (WDjG6)

407 Love Jiffy Mix Cornbread. I add an extra egg to it, and a bit more sugar.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2025 12:15 PM (pDt9x)

408 > Why were we on the road to an EV future to begin with?
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Subjugation of a highly mobile society is difficult.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 19, 2025 12:15 PM (NwnyJ)

409 If you put anything sweet in your cornbread, we cannot be on speaking terms. 😂

Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 12:11 PM (p4NUW)

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Who hasn't been tempted to make and eat chocolate chip cornbread?

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Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant and GayFontoPhobe at December 19, 2025 12:15 PM (NNq22)

410 The problem with "plug in" hybrids is that ... nobody ever plugs them in. It's a pain in the ass. Sure, there are some with indoor garages, with expensive charging stations, that have short commutes (and are anal retentive), and will charge when they come home from work every day. My SiL is like this.

But the vast majority of plug-ins rarely if ever get plugged in.

Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 12:16 PM (iFTx/)

411 Corn bread with jalapeños and cojita cheese.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2025 12:16 PM (sDNVV)

412 You have to go back to the original bullshit about cholesterol to make sense of it.

Ancel Keys. At the time, of the debates in the 1950s, more than one old line doctor testified he’d never even seen a heart attack until hydrogenated oils came along.

I also find it oddly coincidental that eggs, dairy, & meat and cholesterol came under fire for health reasons right about the time the US dollar shit the bed, and Americans couldn’t afford it.

Margarine was healthier than Butter, the Food Pyramid soon followed, Cholesterol was the great driver of heart disease, Eggs were unhealthy, and Low Fat dieting became the rage.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 19, 2025 12:16 PM (Pp3EP)

413 ... I have an idea for what to do with all the homeless druggies once we succeed in institutionalizing them again.
Posted by: FeatherBlade
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They might do okay eating pet food if the ingredients don't come from China.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 12:16 PM (WDjG6)

414 395 Why were we on the road to an EV future to begin with?
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Cuz the Northeast and Midwest say so. They really hate heating oil (diesel) and natural gas. Evidently, Consolidated Edison is heavily consolidated.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 19, 2025 12:16 PM (Wg6v7)

415 I think the big problem for Ford versus Toyota was exactly that the F150 was such a hugely popular vehicle. CAFE standards are based on the entire sales base of vehicles which includes everything up through standard pickups IIRC. For every 15mpg F150 Ford would have to sell a couple of 60mpg vehicles to get a 45mpg average, and Ford just didn't have enough sales of hybrids or econo-roller-skates so they had to go with the 0mpg option to balance the number of F150s they were selling.
Posted by: Christopher B

You have clearly demonstrated how government ensures market forces function correctly.

Posted by: Gauloises and Gitanes at December 19, 2025 12:16 PM (HTCU3)

416 are you saying it's wrong to use the Jiffy Cornbread mix from the store? Cuz' if Jiffy Cornbread is wrong, I don't wanna be right! Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 12:14 PM (uWKK

Martha White's better,

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 19, 2025 12:16 PM (eStot)

417 Cornbread with those little Trappey's jalapenos. Buttered. Hot.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 19, 2025 12:17 PM (gm9Sb)

418 I always rely on studies with an "N" of 1.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

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That's one more than the factual basis of most people's opinions.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at December 19, 2025 12:17 PM (1Nv0l)

419 > Why were we on the road to an EV future to begin with?
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Subjugation of a highly mobile society is difficult.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 19, 2025 12:15 PM (NwnyJ)

This

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 19, 2025 12:17 PM (snZF9)

420 So...seed oils are used in conjunction with lithium-ion batteries to perpetrate election fraud.
Posted by: Trying to summarize
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Seed oil frying is the only way to properly season the Lithium ion batteries so that a runaway reaction occurs which burns all the evidence of election fraud.
Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 12:15 PM (WDjG6)

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Nominated for "Comments of The Week" suggestions.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant and GayFontoPhobe at December 19, 2025 12:17 PM (NNq22)

421 I had an “expert” ‘splain to me that Butter can not be used in Cornbread.

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I have a recipe book with recipes from an older, black southern woman who used to run a restaurant. Her cornbread recipe uses melted butter in the batter and is the absolute best cornbread I've ever eaten.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 19, 2025 12:13 PM (qBdHI)
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The secret to many a restaurant is ... butter, butter, and more butter.

Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 12:17 PM (iFTx/)

422 I always rely on studies with an "N" of 1.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

What does "N" stand for?

Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 12:18 PM (77rzZ)

423 Some supplements as needed, and minimal sugars. Trying to eat as clean as I could, with minimal preservatives.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 12

Yay! I love this answer. Guess why your numbers are better?
Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 12:10 PM (p4NUW)
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But cholesterol is supposed to have more to do with fats, does it not?

I got better numbers while increasing the intake of saturated fats.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 12:18 PM (krQz2)

424 Why were we on the road to an EV future to begin with?

It all has to do with funding the Left and it's sources: "

We have a winner.

And I add diced chipotles w/a bit of adobo drizzled in along with crumbled bacon to cornbread...

Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 12:18 PM (XuXeR)

425 I always rely on studies with an "N" of 1.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

What does "N" stand for?

Now you've done it.

Posted by: Fani Willis at December 19, 2025 12:18 PM (Riz8t)

426 Those studies exist now, and there is some truth to them in terms of cholesterol- but again, the thing to remember here is moderation, it’s fine. You aren’t out there drinking seed oils to get enough linoleic acid to affect inflammation. Use the oil that tastes good for your purpose, whether plant or animal based.
Posted by: Piper at December 19, 2025 11:56 AM (p4NUW)

I have a stent and got told I would have another blockage eventually. THIS IS EVEN WITHS STATINS. Also the main lipid that appears indicative of future plaques is not tested for since, and I quote the MD, "we don't have any way to affect it"
There is now a huge controversy about the diet-heart hypothesis that has been the main theory for 60 years, and amazingly enough, after 60 years of trying to prevent heart attacks by diet modification has resulted in more heart attacks.

I am reassured that science is slow, but accurate, and it advances one funeral at a time, but it would be nice to have some hope that one of those funerals would not be mine.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2025 12:18 PM (rbvCR)

427 "Why were we on the road to an EV future to begin with?"

Because it made a lot of influential people piles and piles of money

Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 12:18 PM (iFTx/)

428 N = sample size

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2025 12:18 PM (U/Byj)

429 The secret to many a restaurant is ... butter, butter, and more butter.
Posted by: Judge Elric The Blade at December 19, 2025 12:17 PM (iFTx/)
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Butter = fat

Fat = flavor

Therefore Butter = Flavor

It's basic culinary mathematics.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 19, 2025 12:18 PM (ESVrU)

430 At the time, of the debates in the 1950s, more than one old line doctor testified he’d never even seen a heart attack until hydrogenated oils came along.

I'm going to press x to doubt on that one.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:18 PM (a+4eV)

431 416 are you saying it's wrong to use the Jiffy Cornbread mix from the store? Cuz' if Jiffy Cornbread is wrong, I don't wanna be right! Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2025 12:14 PM (uWKK

Martha White's better,
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Corn Casserole is Heaven.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 19, 2025 12:19 PM (Wg6v7)

432 Ford is leaning into hybrids, having noticed that EVs have an absolute market cap that has been reached years ago. The Lightning especially was a terrible truck. Basically they took five minutes to pull out the drive train and engine of a normal one and shoveled in an electric motor without designing it into the truck. And it sucked.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2025 12:19 PM (3Amc7)

433 I always rely on studies with an "N" of 1.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Ecological fallacy works both ways. What is true for the system is not necessarily true for the individual and vice versa.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 12:19 PM (WDjG6)

434 $19.5 Billion here $19,5 Billion there an sooner or later you arre talking about real money.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 19, 2025 12:20 PM (Oasjp)

435 New one: Ace's computer is mort.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2025 12:20 PM (Riz8t)

436 286 EV is still going pretty strong in Europe and UK."

Government mandates tend to do such things...
Posted by: man

Yurupeans drive much less than US Americans. Cities closer together.

Posted by: Frequent Rider at December 19, 2025 12:20 PM (oftw2)

437 "Food" might include things like squirrels or chitlins.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (a+4eV)

One was from Sothern Scotland, and the other was raised on a farm way out in the middle of nowhere. You are absolutely correct.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2025 12:20 PM (rbvCR)

438 435 New one: Ace's computer is mort.
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Too much colester all?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 19, 2025 12:22 PM (Wg6v7)

439 Ev cars are where battery power tools were 40 years ago. Shiny, new, and totally impractical. They took hours and hours to charge, and lasted 20 minutes if you were lucky. Contractors ended up gulaging them and continued with their corded tools.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 19, 2025 12:22 PM (snZF9)

440 But cholesterol is supposed to have more to do with fats, does it not?

I got better numbers while increasing the intake of saturated fats.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 12:18 PM (krQz2)

Cholesterol is largely endogenous. Something like 85% is produced by your own body. You can make some changes at the margins with diet, but people with hyperlipidemia frequently have a genetic component to where their liver is just going absolutely ham producing the stuff, even if they're eating dry toast and plain tuna for breakfast lunch and dinner. Basically the only way for those folks to improve their lab values is with statins.

Posted by: Livers are overrated at December 19, 2025 12:23 PM (TbWk/)

441 NOOD Open Thread

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant and GayFontoPhobe at December 19, 2025 12:23 PM (NNq22)

442 Now Ford should recall all Lightning EV pickups, and offer their owners full retail value of the EV on a trade-in for a gas or Diesel F150. And at the same time, announce that all warranty service for Lightnings will cease in a year's time.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2025 12:23 PM (npFr7)

443
Apparently the F-150 EV plan now is to build a truck that has a gasoline engine whose only purpose is to act as an electric generator for the battery. What is this, a comedy routine?
Posted by: Gauloises and Gitanes at December 19, 2025 12:00 PM (HTCU3)

Using a gasoline engine in this application is stupid. Diesel engines are much more efficient as the generator in diesel-electric systems. A diesel engine is REALLY happy at steady RPMs for power generation. Gas engines tend to be better for variable RPM use, as in cars that need quick power application.

The choice of gasoline has nothing to do with performance, it has everything to do with logistics. The gasoline supply network is built out with an existing focus on the average consumer. The diesel network is built with a focus on commercial use.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 19, 2025 12:24 PM (y9nCu)

444 436 286 EV is still going pretty strong in Europe and UK."

Government mandates tend to do such things...
Posted by: man

Yurupeans drive much less than US Americans. Cities closer together.
Posted by: Frequent Rider

European society, as a whole is much poorer than in the US, population density and subsidies means greater access to mass transit like trains and busses, and China is now eating the European automakers lunch with low priced EVs that were originally destined for the US. BVD is even setting up assembly plants in the EU for Chicom components.

EU rejected the US as an equal trading partner and decided like Russia to dance with China for consumer goods. Twon't end well for EU industry.

Posted by: whig at December 19, 2025 12:24 PM (WDjG6)

445 I always rely on studies with an "N" of 1.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

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Well, here's the thing. I'm the only N that can do anything from my take on the message "Don't eat saturated fats." Or "Eat more saturated fats." So, it is significant to me if I cut out--to the degree possible--seed oils, increase saturated fats and get good lab numbers.

It makes sense that way, does it not? The goal of such a message is to cause *me* to worry, and *me* to change my habits. But I'm never going to have proof of either without numbers.

So if I have the best cholesterol numbers I've ever had in my life--you don't have to believe me--I could care less--but if I have the best numbers, how do I subscribe to "Oh, yeah, eat more seed oils because they're 'lighter' than saturated fats".

When is the ill-effects to trading in the opposite direction to the advice supposed to catch up with me?

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 12:24 PM (krQz2)

446 But the vast majority of plug-ins rarely if ever get plugged in."

One vendor collected that data (yes, your plug in hybrid records when it's plugged in) during a software update service advisory.
Fewer than five percent had ever been plugged in, and about 2.5 percent were regularly plugged in...

Posted by: man at December 19, 2025 12:24 PM (XuXeR)

447 But of course, they went EV not just because they wanted to save the planet, but to chase down those sweet, sweet government subsidy dollars.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 19, 2025 12:04 PM (y9nCu)

The total fleet mileage requirement under CAFE had more to do with that, though. They had to have "zero emission" rigs to offset the vehicles they made that would sell.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2025 12:25 PM (rbvCR)

448 As crazy as it sounds, if a mortgage applicant won’t disclose his race and ethnicity, the banker is required to visually profile the customer and report that customer’s racial appearance to the government.

Definitely a program that must be ended

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2025 12:26 PM (3Amc7)

449 So how is it that the electric buggies at grocery stores / Sams Club / Costco / Walmart always too few and needing a recharge?

An elderly neighbor with walking issues is slowly switching to online orders and store pickup over in-store shopping because she can't always get a charged buggy to ride on.

She bemoans the frequent substitutions on her orders and lack of opportunistic pickups of Clearance items and in-store only Manager Specials.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2025 12:27 PM (wVcYX)

450 @Buck, if you're still here:

Lordstown Motors. Was that a legit attempt to start an EV truck company or was it just a subsidy rent-seeking operation? I could never decide.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 19, 2025 12:29 PM (eStot)

451 So, the only good oils that I know of are olive oil and avocado oil. Any others?
Posted by: Bulg at December 19, 2025 11:11 AM (77rzZ)

Olives and avocados are both seeds.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2025 12:30 PM (npFr7)

452 I'm going to press x to doubt on that one.
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Fact.

Don’t take my word for it, though. Learn for yourself. A dear departed member here named Ciampano posted an excellent treatise on the subject. A book entitled The Oiling of America ; it mentions this.

You may be also shocked to learn that large corporations had an outsized effect on lobbying. Corn interests and cereal for example.

Read and learn. You don’t have to accept it, or agree with it. But the Cholesterol = Heart disease was not and is not without serious controversy.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 19, 2025 12:48 PM (Fn30I)

453 Peanut Oil is tasty. Doesn’t cause too much intestinal distress with me. It’s technically a legume.

Coconut oil is excellent for frying, popping corn, etc and doesn’t seem to cause gut issues either. At least with me. I would use 90 wt gear oil if it tasted OK and the price was right.

Sometimes you’ll hear “use a neutral tasting oil”, this doesn’t really make any sense either. Fat is flavor, no way around it.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 19, 2025 12:53 PM (Fn30I)

454 Don’t worry. I am sure free trade will be blamed for this, not Ford’s bad business decisions.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 19, 2025 01:00 PM (rQwsY)

455 Ford's problem with EVs is that they don't know how to make them for a profit.

It's clear that the future is EV for cars and trucks. Only one company, Tesla, makes EVs at a profit.

Ford hired some ex-Tesla guys and they are heading a "skunkworks" project to build EVs that can actually make a profit. Expect this to be big news when it's unveiled. I expect their first EV to be a small car, not a truck.

Building an EV truck with an onboard generator isn't completely stupid. Stellantis is planning to sell a truck like that too. But IMHO it's better to have a pure ICE truck or a pure EV truck... instead of hauling a generator around, just run on gas or else put extra batteries in the truck. But since Ford can't build EVs at a profit yet, the hybrid EV truck looks good to them.

Posted by: mr_jack at December 19, 2025 01:00 PM (LNPSJ)

456 If there was massive election fraud why has no believable witness come forward ? I am sure they would be quite well rewarded for exposing this?

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at December 19, 2025 01:03 PM (lYvO3)

457 ---
It really depends on the extraction process. If they have to super-heat it, put it through a chemical process, bleach it, or something along those lines, then it's bad.

You can get "expeller-pressed sunflower oil" which my understanding is that it is not nearly as bad as the chemically-extracted stuff.

For vegetarian oils, it's best to stick with olive, avocado (although there are no quality constraints on avocado oil) and coconut.

The problem with saturated--natural--fats, is that they have a low smoke-point. I think, Gee has the highest smoke point of animal fats.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2025 11:17 AM (krQz2)

People who never eat oils of any kind die.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 19, 2025 01:08 PM (rQwsY)

458 That's the heavy way to do it.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 19, 2025 12:08 PM (a+4eV)

Heavy batteries are a distinct advantage in a forklift, acting as a counterweight to the load.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2025 01:11 PM (npFr7)

459 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

"Subjugation of a highly mobile society is difficult."

If I was a dictator in charge of the federal goverment it would have been easier for me to inmobilize you if you drive a gas vehicle instead of an EV. Just close the refineries, blow away the pipelines and good luck fueling your vehicle.

If you have an EV, there are many ways to get the energy to "fuel it" that are out of my reach. There are 132 refineries in the USA according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). Meanwhile, there were as of 2022 12,538 utility-scale electric power plants in the USA as per the same source.

Posted by: DominicanVoices at December 19, 2025 01:37 PM (9IJFs)

460 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

"Ev cars are where battery power tools were 40 years ago. Shiny, new, and totally impractical. They took hours and hours to charge, and lasted 20 minutes if you were lucky."

Tell me you don't know anything about EVs without telling me that you don't know anything about EVs. It takes seconds to charge an EV. You just plug it in when you arrive at your home, office or wherever. Go on and do your business and when you come back your "tank" is full.

Posted by: DominicanVoices at December 19, 2025 01:41 PM (9IJFs)

461 #459 DominicanVoices

There are even more EV "fuel" sources if you count houses with solar panels. My house can charge my car most months of the year. (I live at a northern latitude and December/January are not good months for solar production.)

I think few of the people who read this blog have an oil well plus refinery in their home. This is an advantage for EVs.

My car could be remotely disabled, but if I was really worried about that I could disable the cellular antenna and never hook the car up to WiFi. An EV with remote access disabled is the most dictator-safe vehicle you could get.

In fact there are portable solar panels that you could carry in your EV. They would take days to recharge the car, but you totally could be off-grid and moving around from place to place.

Posted by: mr_jack at December 19, 2025 01:47 PM (LNPSJ)

462 Posted by: mr_jack

"Ford's problem with EVs is that they don't know how to make them for a profit. It's clear that the future is EV for cars and trucks. Only one company, Tesla, makes EVs at a profit."

Correct. My concern with the author of this piece and others covering EVs in conservative media is their reluctance to ground opinions in facts. Claims that EVs are neither practical nor profitable must address Tesla's success: a viable business with $97.69 billion in revenue in 2024, $7.1 billion in GAAP net income, and 1.789 million vehicles delivered. Millions of Tesla vehicles are on roads globally.

Tesla (and Elon Musk specifically) shares some responsibility due to limited traditional advertising of vehicles and EV benefits. As evident in comments here, much public 'knowledge' about EVs stems from persistent myths.

Posted by: DominicanVoices at December 19, 2025 01:52 PM (9IJFs)

463 #460 DominicanVoices

I have an EV as my daily driver. I hook it up to my home charger when I need to charge. It takes less time to charge than I take to sleep so overnight charging seems "instant".

On long road trips I need to stop at a fast charger. The car takes a similar amount of time to charge as I would want to stop for a meal anyway.

On very long road trips, like coast to coast, the charging would annoy me. But I never do that, and at least I would be saving some money vs. paying for gasoline.

My longest trip was down the west coast, to visit family in California. I would totally do that trip again in my EV.

When I have to rent a gasoline car, I'm always shocked again by how much worse the car is compared to my EV.

To those of you who prefer gas: good for you, keep driving gas cars. However, please don't try to tell me what EVs are like.

Posted by: mr_jack at December 19, 2025 01:54 PM (LNPSJ)

464 #463 mr_jack

Something that I ask critics of EVs is if they ever count the numbers of cars on the side of the road when on long trips and see how many of them are EVs. I honestly can't recall ever seeing one. Not that it never happens, but not as often as regular vehicles. This is important because how often critics claims that they might get stuck on the side of the road with an empty battery.

Posted by: DominicanVoices at December 19, 2025 02:10 PM (9IJFs)

465 .
Well shit. If'n we cain't have Ferd EVs, at least we have Trump Communication Czar, Devin Nooners hookin' up Trump's wagon to fusion power. Tardnation.

Posted by: Marooned at December 19, 2025 03:22 PM (kt8QE)

466 Ford decides not to redesigning the Edsel

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at December 19, 2025 05:39 PM (wGqjj)

467 REally late to this thread and admit to not reading all of the previous comments, but...

This is something that Akio Toyoda (Chairman, BoD, Toyota) recognized when the whole EV surge began. Although Toyota (the car company) built some EV's and plugin hybrids, they really went hard on the "fully" hybrid market. This was SMART!

There are advantages to direct drive electric motors to the wheels. Torque, HP, even regen braking. But for MILEAGE and REFUELING, there is NOTHING that beats an ICE.

If Ford had introduced a HYBRID F150 instead of fully electric, I "might" have considered one. Instead I opted for a 5.0L V8 (and even considered their 6.2L).

Only IDIOTS buy fully electric EVs!!!!

-SLV

Posted by: Shy Lurking Voter at December 19, 2025 06:22 PM (e/Osv)

468 Ford drops thille EV fiasco. Don't worry, they are still stuck on stupid. Hey look!! Ford brought back the Ranger pickup!! Hell, they just manufactured a almost full size pickup. Ford ignored the popularity of the original Ranger, it was small, fuel efficient, still had a cargo compartment that could haul a few things. And on top of that, people loved it. There are still hundreds for thousand still on the road. The marketing/engineering departments along with the senior department heads were sure they new more than the buying public. I'm always thanking my lucky stars that I dumped Ford stock before this latest ignorant decission.

Posted by: Sergeant Major at December 19, 2025 07:02 PM (st9l0)

469 Barack Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, gave Ford $5.9 Billion to retool its manufacturing for EVs. Joe Biden gave Ford a $9.2 Billion loan in 2023 and a $1.7 Billion grant in 2024.
Separately, Biden's DOE, aka Jenny Granholm, gave PG&E $15 Billion in 11/24 just for keeping electricity prices high. Clearly, Ford made a bad trade.

Posted by: wferrin at December 19, 2025 08:12 PM (lCdHU)

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