In Astounding Coincidence the "Experts" Cannot Explain, US Oil Production Hits Record Highs as Gasoline Prices, Inexpicably, Fall to Lowest Levels Since the Chinese Engineered Bioweapon

Despite Trump's reckless determination to produce the Dinosaur Poison called oil, gas prices are falling.

Natural gas production also hit record highs in August before slipping a bit.

NEW YORK, Nov 28 (Reuters) - U.S. oil production rose to a record high in September, data from the Energy Information Administration (EIA) on Friday showed, despite oversupply worries.
Oil production in the U.S. has continued to hit record highs this year despite a weak price environment, further weighing on global prices. Benchmark Brent crude was trading just below $64 on Friday, about 14% below the same time last year.
U.S. crude oil output rose 44,000 barrels per day during the month to a record 13.84 million bpd, according to EIA data.
In 2025, that all changed.
Oil output in New Mexico, the second-largest oil-producing state, hit a record 2.351 million bpd, while output from the federal offshore gulf region rose to 1.983 million bpd in September, the highest since February 2020.

Unaccountably, and probably due to Something The Democrats Did, gas prices are falling across the nation.

Well, not "across the nation." They're falling in red states while they remain high in Democrat-controlled states like California, Washington, and Hawaii.

Who can even guess why!

Even CNN has to acknowledge that gas prices are falling and so is inflation, therefore.

Just like Trump promised.

🚨 HOLY CRAP! CNN has been FORCED to admit prices are going down in Donald Trump's economy

It's getting so good, they can't ignore it anymore.

"The price of gas, look at this! A 3.5 year LOW at $2.95 a gallon as of today!"

"That is MILES away from the all-time [Biden] high set… pic.twitter.com/2IDnkPwlUF
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) December 9, 2025

The New York Times has two imperatives: Spin all good economic news as Secretly Bad, and pummel the energy industry relentlessly.

Which is the higher priority? It turns out, spinning good economic news for Trump is more important.

Because the New York Times sees the downside of low energy prices:X

The low prices are "squeezing" the energy industry!

Happy Humpday! What are gas prices near you?

Posted by: Ace at 12:30 PM

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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:29 PM (Zz0t1)

2 Top o' the nooner to ya, Ace!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:29 PM (Zz0t1)

3 Off to lum NOOD.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:30 PM (Zz0t1)

4 Durn!

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at December 10, 2025 12:30 PM (Vpqw1)

5 I wonder what mass deportations have to do with the demand part of the supply/demand curve?

Probably nothing.

It's not like mass deportations is the solution to most of our economic problems, or something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

6 Shocking.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 10, 2025 12:30 PM (1BpWS)

7 They remain high in Democrat-controlled states like California, Washington, and Hawaii.

Who can even guess why!

Yay. *sigh*

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 12:30 PM (DRSnL)

8 1 FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:29 PM (Zz0t1)

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Yeah baby.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 12:31 PM (DRSnL)

9 Well, commies and socialists are economic dummies...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

10 Oil output in New Mexico, the second-largest oil-producing state, hit a record 2.351 million bpd, while output from the federal offshore gulf region rose to 1.983 million bpd in September, the highest since February 2020.

If NM has so much oil, why is it such a downtrodden shithole of a state?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:31 PM (Zz0t1)

11 The low prices are "squeezing" the energy industry!

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"All the shale oil producers are going to go bankrupt! Which is...a good thing?"
-The NYT

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 12:31 PM (GBKbO)

12 Gas is higher in PA, but that's because our last RINO governor raised gas taxes to fund endless road construction that never makes the roads better 15 years ago. At one time we had the highest gas taxes in the country, but naturally CA, IL and I think NY all passed us.

Posted by: The Lower Depths at December 10, 2025 12:31 PM (Dg7ng)

13 Kalifornia is speshul...as is their gasoline.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

14 Diesel fuel. Diesel fuel needs to come down in price before anything else does.

Posted by: Truck Driving Man at December 10, 2025 12:31 PM (bC9HI)

15 $2.19 this morning.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 12:32 PM (+Oyis)

16 In Astounding Coincidence the "Experts" Cannot Explain, US Oil Production Hits Record Highs as Gasoline Prices, Inexpicably, Fall to Lowest Levels Since the Chinese Engineered Bioweapon

Chinese + FAUCI engineered...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2025 12:32 PM (x0n13)

17 Have a very Trumpy Christmas.

Posted by: fd at December 10, 2025 12:32 PM (vFG9F)

18 Diesel fuel. Diesel fuel needs to come down in price before anything else does.
Posted by: Truck Driving Man

$2.93 in my AO.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 12:32 PM (+Oyis)

19 Did someone tell me the dinosaur theory wrt petroleum is bs? Because I would 100% subscribe.

Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 12:32 PM (lF28Z)

20 Diesel fuel. Diesel fuel needs to come down in price before anything else does.
Posted by: Truck Driving Man at December 10, 2025 12:31 PM (bC9HI)

The easier fuel to make and transport, yet it's .50 to .75 cents higher than unleadeded.

Rape.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:33 PM (Zz0t1)

21 >>>Fall to Lowest Levels Since the U.S. Financed and Politically Exploited Chinese Engineered Bioweapon

Enhanced.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 10, 2025 12:33 PM (dK+Kv)

22 Like the new york times gives a flying fuck about the industry. Every asshole that works there has probably protested big oil at one time or another. Shit, its a job requirement for them.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 10, 2025 12:33 PM (snZF9)

23
Yeah baby.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 12:31 PM (DRSnL)

I aim to please.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:33 PM (Zz0t1)

24 But but but… beef prices!! And coffee and banana tariffs!!!! Affordability!!!!!! —Dems and William Galston of the WSJ

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2025 12:33 PM (xT8gx)

25 2 buck diesel would lower prices on everything

Posted by: Ben Had at December 10, 2025 12:33 PM (sDNVV)

26 10 Entrenched political crime families like the Lujans plus demographics, I think. The Hispanics there are like a cross between very well-established TX Hispanics and invader CA Hispanics, but the cities have been full of AWFLs for decades. Back in the 1990s Robert Hughes was already making fun of the white liberals in Taos "flashing their concho belts at each other" for some kind of clout.

Posted by: The Lower Depths at December 10, 2025 12:34 PM (Dg7ng)

27 2.47ish last I looked.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 10, 2025 12:34 PM (bss/y)

28 If NM has so much oil, why is it such a downtrodden shithole of a state?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer

Illinois/Louisiana levels of corruption.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 12:34 PM (+Oyis)

29 $4.19 st the cheap stations. $5.29 in “wealthier” neighborhoods where oil companies apply a wealth tax…. lol.

Calizuela. Soon how the rest of the country will be if the gop doesn’t grow 200 odd pair…

Posted by: The MewTwix at December 10, 2025 12:34 PM (/nsax)

30
Chinese + FAUCI engineered...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2025 12:32 PM (x0n13)

I see him on the street, I'm taking one for the team. I trust most of you would start the fund to defend me at trial.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:34 PM (Zz0t1)

31 Trump has ramped up oil drilling, lowered gas prices, canceled Green Nude Eel across the board.

Even Greta had to shift from Klimat Katastrophe to shilling for Jew Killers.

Posted by: Winning! at December 10, 2025 12:35 PM (oftw2)

32 My brother said he paid 2.15 at Sam's the other day. It's 2.25 at most of the stores.

Posted by: huerfano at December 10, 2025 12:35 PM (98kQX)

33 I paid $2.80 yesterday, which is nowhere near the lows I have seen around here.

The state government jacked up gas taxes several years ago, and shockingly, astoundingly! New Yorkers and Pennsylvanians no longer come to NJ for cheap fuel.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2025 12:35 PM (n9ltV)

34 19 Did someone tell me the dinosaur theory wrt petroleum is bs? Because I would 100% subscribe.
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The difficult part is explaining how all the dead dinosaurs found themselves below geologic plates. Maybe the pancake theorem works?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 10, 2025 12:35 PM (Wg6v7)

35 Not in Oregon. Sorry, it is still higher than last year.

Thanks Governor Kotex!

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:36 PM (rbvCR)

36 31 Trump has ramped up oil drilling, lowered gas prices, canceled Green Nude Eel across the board.

Even Greta had to shift from Klimat Katastrophe to shilling for Jew Killers.

Posted by: Winning! at December 10, 2025 12:35 PM (oftw2)

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And deported at least 3 million people, which affects the demand side.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 12:36 PM (GBKbO)

37 But but but… beef prices!! And coffee and banana tariffs!!!! Affordability!!!!!! —Dems and William Galston of the WSJ

I bought a tenderloin at Costco this morning. It was Choice instead of my usual Prime, and "unpeeled", but fortunately I learned how to properly prepare a tenderloin a few years ago.

The "peeled" Prime tenderloin was $38 a pound.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:36 PM (Riz8t)

38 Diesel fuel. ...

Road use diesel cheapest in a decade for me. As to why it's more $/gal, well, it's entirely due to the city on the powtomack...

Posted by: man at December 10, 2025 12:36 PM (XuXeR)

39 If NM has so much oil, why is it such a downtrodden shithole of a state?
Posted by: Sponge
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Alterian Pilgrim is a resident IRL I think. She has put out a few tidbits. Another state though where a dysfunctional blue urban center dictates policy for the rest of the state.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 12:36 PM (WDjG6)

40 Squeezing the poor put upon oil and gas industry. What will they do now???

"For just $5 a day, the price of a cup of coffee, you can help feed one CEO starving for another jet or sidepiece."

I swear the Left will love anything or anyone as long as doing it helps them.

Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 12:36 PM (lF28Z)

41 If this keeps up cars might be interesting to look at again?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 10, 2025 12:36 PM (Wg6v7)

42 point 9

Posted by: ish at December 10, 2025 12:36 PM (w9Wax)

43 Did someone tell me the dinosaur theory wrt petroleum is bs? Because I would 100% subscribe.

I've heard that the fact that we still have oil coming out of the ground in quantity means it has nothing to do with dinosaurs but if anyone here's got expertise I'd love to hear the details.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 10, 2025 12:37 PM (2ocoG)

44 It's not like mass deportations is the solution to most of our economic problems, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

The Illegals' pressure on rents is a thing.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:37 PM (rbvCR)

45 I paid $3.79/gal yesterday and the news is all about low prices.
Damn, I'm old. This is in Central WA. Which very briefly admitted to passing out 700 CDL's in the past seven years to illegals. "In Error". I suspect they left a zero off on that number.

Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at December 10, 2025 12:37 PM (1whRW)

46 Cheapest I've seen here was 2.39. It's at least $35 less to fill up my truck than last year at the same time. For a lot of people that can be 2-3 hrs of pay.

Posted by: fd at December 10, 2025 12:37 PM (vFG9F)

47 Just bought the Dinosaur semen today. $2.79 in the Peoples Republic of Maryland

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 10, 2025 12:37 PM (Bo9Yf)

48
I've heard that the fact that we still have oil coming out of the ground in quantity means it has nothing to do with dinosaurs but if anyone here's got expertise I'd love to hear the details.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 10, 2025 12:37 PM (2ocoG)

100's of barrels worth seep through the ocean floor daily.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:38 PM (Zz0t1)

49 The state government jacked up gas taxes several years ago, and shockingly, astoundingly! New Yorkers and Pennsylvanians no longer come to NJ for cheap fuel.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2025 12:35 PM (n9ltV)

Well, they must have wanted to lose that revenue, right?

They just can never quite get: tax=destroy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 10, 2025 12:38 PM (bss/y)

50 I've heard that the fact that we still have oil coming out of the ground in quantity means it has nothing to do with dinosaurs but if anyone here's got expertise I'd love to hear the details.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 10, 2025 12:37 PM (2ocoG)

AOP could give you some good info on that.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:38 PM (rbvCR)

51 44 It's not like mass deportations is the solution to most of our economic problems, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

The Illegals' pressure on rents is a thing.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:37 PM (rbvCR)

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Why isn't Trump doing anything about affordability, huh?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)

52 And deported at least 3 million people, which affects the demand side.

That's a bit hyperbolic.

By September 23, 2025, the Trump administration claimed that 2 million illegal immigrants had left the country through a combination of over 400,000 deportations and an estimated 1,600,000 self-deportations. Individuals or immigrants residing in the U.S. 20 total confirmed: 15 in ICE custody.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:38 PM (Riz8t)

53 Cheapest in my area of Kalifornia is $4.57 for regular.

The national average would indeed be far less if the Leftist Coast were taken out of the equation. I'd wager around under $2.00/gl.

Posted by: Jukin the Dplorable and Totally Unserious at December 10, 2025 12:38 PM (xvV+O)

54 41 If this keeps up cars might be interesting to look at again?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 10, 2025 12:36 PM (Wg6v7)

We might get a truck that is both useful and does not cost as much as a fucking house.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 10, 2025 12:38 PM (bss/y)

55 We have so much cheap gas we’re just burning it up in our cars and trucks.

Posted by: Eromero at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (o2ZRX)

56 Last night's ONT had two stories about gas.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (WPL6O)

57 52 And deported at least 3 million people, which affects the demand side.

That's a bit hyperbolic.

By September 23, 2025, the Trump administration claimed that 2 million illegal immigrants had left the country through a combination of over 400,000 deportations and an estimated 1,600,000 self-deportations. Individuals or immigrants residing in the U.S. 20 total confirmed: 15 in ICE custody.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:38 PM (Riz8t)

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So, 2 million as of September, huh?

I wonder what another three months did?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (GBKbO)

58 I trust most of you would start the fund to defend me at trial.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:34 PM (Zz0t1)

That f*cking midget swung first!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (n9ltV)

59 I bought a tenderloin at Costco this morning. It was Choice instead of my usual Prime, and "unpeeled", but fortunately I learned how to properly prepare a tenderloin a few years ago.

The "peeled" Prime tenderloin was $38 a pound.
Posted by: Archimedes

$21.97/lb Choice unpeeled at Sam's.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (+Oyis)

60 Here in NOVA/MD, gas is still hovering around 3 bucks per. Has been for years. These idiots ain't budging. A few outliers are at 2.77 or so, but by far the exception. Some as high as 3.50+. They gotta be profitable as hell if production costs have dropped that low nationally.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (SOGBX)

61 below geologic plates. Maybe the pancake theorem works?
Posted by: Pudinhead

You are beneath contempt!

Posted by: Rachel Corrie Fan Club at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (oftw2)

62 Our state is so retarded. They encouraged everyone to buy electric vehicles and are now freaking out that gas tax revenue is falling, so now they want a per-mile tax.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (DRSnL)

63 The easier fuel to make and transport, yet it's .50 to .75 cents higher than unleadeded.

Rape.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:33 PM (Zz0t1)

It is taxed specifically to keep it on that proportion with gasoline.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (rbvCR)

64 But egg prices are too high....!!!!
- Democrats

Posted by: dantesed at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (Oy/m2)

65 Oil Prices are "squeezing" Big Oil? That's a good thing! It's helping Trump? Oh, that's a bad thing.

What to think....

Posted by: Bernie Brigades at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (4wzy4)

66 What are gas prices near you?

$20, same as in town.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (Kt19C)

67 $21.97/lb Choice unpeeled at Sam's.

Yeah, that's what I paid at Costco.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:40 PM (Riz8t)

68 >>>What are gas prices near you?

After pinto beans and a laxative? Deadly but silent.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 10, 2025 12:40 PM (1zOXE)

69 34 19 Did someone tell me the dinosaur theory wrt petroleum is bs? Because I would 100% subscribe.
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The difficult part is explaining how all the dead dinosaurs found themselves below geologic plates. Maybe the pancake theorem works?
Posted by: Pudinhead

AOP mebbe. Carbon cycle is interesting and a prominent critic of fossil fuels monicker was a geologist , Thomas Gold who had an abiotic theory of petroleum production. Twasn't popular.

Gold also had the theory that the moon was buried in dust prior to the Apollo landings which is why the huge pads on the landing gear. They were designed to float above such dust pools upon the LEM landing. Not so right there about his theories.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 12:40 PM (WDjG6)

70 as Gasoline Prices, Inexpicably, Fall to Lowest Levels

Hold the line, people! Keep those prices up. You'll be richly rewarded once we win the 2026 elections.

Posted by: The Dem "Affordability" Narrative for 2026 at December 10, 2025 12:40 PM (Y3swt)

71 because they dont own the land

Posted by: yoeman at December 10, 2025 12:40 PM (r2U0A)

72 What's going on with fracking? I support any industry that sounds like a curse word.

Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 12:40 PM (lF28Z)

73 44 It's not like mass deportations is the solution to most of our economic problems, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

The Illegals' pressure on rents is a thing.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:37 PM (rbvCR)
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And with food stamps given to illegals there is food price pressure. Pretty much illegals put upward price pressure on everything using money stolen from working American citizens.

Posted by: Jukin the Dplorable and Totally Unserious at December 10, 2025 12:40 PM (xvV+O)

74 Fuel touches EVERYTHING in the supply chain. Who would have thought lower fuel prices would help lower inflation.

As for Cali: those refiners packing up next year will haunt Newsome. To many clips of him bashing oil and the commercial will write itself for a national campaign against him.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 10, 2025 12:41 PM (FxH7T)

75 67 $21.97/lb Choice unpeeled at Sam's.

Yeah, that's what I paid at Costco.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:40 PM (Riz8t)

So MORE than $20, same as in town?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 12:41 PM (ynpvh)

76 We need new Trump stickers saying "I did that" to cover over the old Biden stickers on the gas pumps.

Posted by: Kzintis at December 10, 2025 12:41 PM (9uL7w)

77 beef prices are still way high. I used to get the costco sirloin slices for like, I dunno, $19. It was so cheap I don't even remember the price.

I wanted to buy some earlier this week and it's like $30.

Posted by: ace at December 10, 2025 12:41 PM (1wjle)

78 Look at the states where the average price of gas remains above $3. I bet you can guess who they are and why.

Posted by: Vengeance at December 10, 2025 12:41 PM (ICjqV)

79 >>The "peeled" Prime tenderloin was $38 a pound.

I think we pay 19.99 here for whole Tenderloin.

They will trim and cut it to your preference, too.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (TR2dy)

80 Our state is so retarded. They encouraged everyone to buy electric vehicles and are now freaking out that gas tax revenue is falling, so now they want a per-mile tax.

Marxists have no concept of second-order effects. This is known.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (2ocoG)

81 someone tell me the dinosaur theory wrt petroleum is bs?"

Well, there seems to be some evidence of liquid hydrocarbons elsewhere in the solar system, so unless dinosaurs were in space...

Posted by: man at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (XuXeR)

82 Did someone tell me the dinosaur theory wrt petroleum is bs? Because I would 100% subscribe.

Look for the Russian 'abiotic' theory and how they find oil.

Posted by: t-bird at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (Y3swt)

83 Also Experts: we’re stumped by the findings that locking up criminals leads to lower crime.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (9iyS+)

84 yeah, no here in Washington state. $4.09 @ Safeway to $4.59 at other local stations. Everything in the state of Washington that dems touch turns to shit. Higher diesel prices / gas prices lead to higher grocery prices. The list goes on and on.

Posted by: Sherpa_K2 at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (GL+EM)

85 "I've heard that the fact that we still have oil coming out of the ground in quantity means it has nothing to do with dinosaurs but if anyone here's got expertise I'd love to hear the details.
Posted by: Ian S."

Hydrocarbons are constantly being recycled by the Earth. Over time everything in all our landfills will be subducted and recycled.

Posted by: fd at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (vFG9F)

86

It's a lot lower, around $0.50.

I wonder what it is in Polk Country Florida, where Sheriff Grady Judd just arrested some young scholars who ripped off a Dicks Sporting Goods and maybe ruined their lives...like their lives were going to be worth a shit anyway.

Posted by: Rev DR E Buzz at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (och2J)

87 I’m encouraged that Trump is committed to campaigning in 2026 like he’s on the ticket. He needs to motivate voters to get them off their asses to vote for (in many cases) weak GOP candidates, but that’s much better than giving the fuckrats back the House.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (IQBae)

88 If Trump can bring down beef prices while keeping gas low, voters might want to make him king.

Posted by: jmel at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (RWHIh)

89 I almost plotzed when I heard the media -- in a narrative designed to get you to be more charitable about SNAP -- admit that inflation rose like 35% under Biden.

Remember, for four years we were told it was "merely" 7% or whatever.

Posted by: ace at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (1wjle)

90 Hold it, the NYT is crying alligator tears over Big Oil?

A very appropriate single-frame cartoon:

https://tinyurl.com/vsm48krp

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (XeU6L)

91 Our state is so retarded. They encouraged everyone to buy electric vehicles and are now freaking out that gas tax revenue is falling, so now they want a per-mile tax.
Posted by: Jordan61

Another thing the Horde said when it started.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (+Oyis)

92 Hopefully there will be slight declines in California. A dude can hope.

Posted by: Max Power at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (Hucnr)

93 Speaking of prices, here is something I learned at Thanksgiving about what the young people are looking for in housing (at least the young people in our family that live in Greensboro, NC). They don't seem to care about living in a big house like what their parents (who started in smaller homes) CURRENTLY have (and why a lot of folks here claim kids can't afford houses - they only look at big expensive ones). They are looking at SCHOOL DISTRICTS. And the good school districts apparently are in high demand and push up house prices that would be much lower if they looked in the outer counties and were content to send their kids to lower performing county schools.

Posted by: Brunnhilde at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (3AwA+)

94 74 Fuel touches EVERYTHING in the supply chain. Who would have thought lower fuel prices would help lower inflation.

As for Cali: those refiners packing up next year will haunt Newsome. To many clips of him bashing oil and the commercial will write itself for a national campaign against him.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 10, 2025 12:41 PM (FxH7T)

Even the plan for the "obsolescence" of ICE engines only applied to the hoi polloi, not the rich and connected; limos were going to still be allowed ICE engines, for instance. This is the same modus operandi as commies: we are all equal, but some of us are MORE equal that the rest of you.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (ynpvh)

95 For people complaining about beef, have you tried bison? I haven't eaten beef in years because bison is just too good. If only demand was more consistent I wouldn't have to go to multiple grocery stores to get what I need of it though.

Posted by: The Lower Depths at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (Dg7ng)

96 I paid $3.97 at Costco here in NorCal and was grateful for it as it has been well over $4.75...

Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (VE6XX)

97 $2.83 last weekend in Metrowest Massachusetts.

Posted by: Florida Bound at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (qUkBO)

98 The Illegals' pressure on rents is a thing.
Posted by: Kindltot
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Vacancies are rising in some markets blamed in the media on overproduction of rental housing.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (WDjG6)

99 "Despite Record Low Gas Prices, Trump Administration Continues Policy of Encouraging Domestic Oil Production."

Posted by: Fox Butterfield at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (pEFY5)

100 I saw Dinosaur Poison open for Deaf Leopard at The Ice House in '85.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (whSpP)

101 Prices never go down. Once prices rise, no policy can result in their going down again.

$2.24 to $2.30 here on Monday.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (EXyHK)

102 95: I love bison but it's not easy to find. I'll have to rely on mail order for it.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (jjoN6)

103 12 Gas is higher in PA, but that's because our last RINO governor raised gas taxes to fund endless road construction that never makes the roads better 15 years ago. At one time we had the highest gas taxes in the country, but naturally CA, IL and I think NY all passed us.

yep and our tax increases annually, which is fun

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (emBoF)

104 when was the last time the NYT gave a shit about what happens to the energy industry? they actively cheer its destruction and when the industry lost tens of thousands of jobs in 2015/2016, i don't recall a sob story. i heard 'learn to code'

Posted by: John Galt at December 10, 2025 12:44 PM (mGkIn)

105 Look, we like the low gas prices, and you blue state people like whatever it is you're into. We just don't have anything in common anymore, and I'm you feel it's stifling your righteous chi and holding you back from girlbossing.

Why don't we go our separate ways?

You could live, laugh, and love your way through your best life, buggering children, smoking drugs and dying from mutagenic flesheating monkeypox, while we are all boring and bourgeois and shit. You could be free from our living hell of cheap gas and bibles and virgin children.

Just sign the papers.

Posted by: We Should Have a Talk... at December 10, 2025 12:44 PM (HgadO)

106 I am worried that, uh, if we continue, ummm, to drill that our planet will, ehh, collapse.

Posted by: Hank Johnson (D)umb at December 10, 2025 12:44 PM (Bo9Yf)

107 76 We need new Trump stickers saying "I did that" to cover over the old Biden stickers on the gas pumps.

Posted by: Kzintis at December 10, 2025 12:41 PM (9uL7w)

Except in Kali; Gavin, with his oleaginous bearing and devilish smile saying "I Did That!"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 12:44 PM (ynpvh)

108 yeah, no here in Washington state. $4.09 @ Safeway to $4.59 at other local stations. Everything in the state of Washington that dems touch turns to shit. Higher diesel prices / gas prices lead to higher grocery prices. The list goes on and on.
Posted by: Sherpa_K2 at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (GL+EM)

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You must be on the west side. I'm at $3.69 on the east side.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 12:44 PM (DRSnL)

109 Experts???!!!

REEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
We're all gonna die!!!!!

Posted by: The Paolo at December 10, 2025 12:44 PM (P845J)

110 Despite Trump's reckless determination to produce the Dinosaur Poison called oil, gas prices are falling...
Unaccountably, and probably due to Something The Democrats Did, gas prices are falling across the nation.

You'd think the media would make more of an effort to not look ridiculously biased, but you'd be wrong.

I like this guy's stuff. Here, he discusses the recent media blitz condemning Trump for going soft on China in the recent National Security Strategy summary. These are big name pubs like NYT, WSJ, WaPo, and The Atlantic. The only problem is that it's a load of codswallop, as anyone with two synapses to rub together would know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfjhOtD2svQ

Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:44 PM (Riz8t)

111 106 I am worried that, uh, if we continue, ummm, to drill that our planet will, ehh, collapse.

Posted by: Hank Johnson (D)umb at December 10, 2025 12:44 PM (Bo9Yf)

Just like animals when mosquitos bite them...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 12:44 PM (ynpvh)

112 What are gas prices near you?
Who can even guess why!
......

Just under $5 per gallon here in Santa Cruz county.
Because we have a governor with no testicles.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (v0R5T)

113 98 The Illegals' pressure on rents is a thing.
Posted by: Kindltot
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Vacancies are rising in some markets blamed in the media on overproduction of rental housing.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (WDjG6)

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Builders have been overbuilding for years, in part to match the sudden explosion in demand that started about 4 years ago.

Now, demand is slipping.

General trend is suddenly...housing prices seeing easing pressure if not outright reversals in certain markets (especially in Texas).

It's amazing how much of the economy you can explain by the supply and demand curve you learn in Micro-economics 101.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (GBKbO)

114 If Trump can bring down beef prices while keeping gas low, voters might want to make him king.
Posted by: jmel at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (RWHIh)

I’m ready to nominate Trump as emperor for life right now… of course I’m just one voter….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (xT8gx)

115 Our state is so retarded. They encouraged everyone to buy electric vehicles and are now freaking out that gas tax revenue is falling, so now they want a per-mile tax.

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My state tacks on $150 registration per year for EVs. Justification being you’re not paying the gas tax. But you’re still buying electricity which has all sorts of state taxes per kilowatt hour. So it’s a neat trick how the state gets to double dip like that.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (9iyS+)

116 What are gas prices near you?
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Sam's Club @ $2.33 is the lowest nearby. Probably averages around $2.45/gal. Leftist governor and road taxes keep it from going under $2/gal.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (NwnyJ)

117 Buck 99 here last week
Oklahoma

Posted by: Oh noes ! at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (HcoTw)

118 Prices are down but volume is up = profits are the same and people are happier.

TRUE FACTS

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (nJthq)

119 And the good school districts apparently are in high demand and push up house prices that would be much lower if they looked in the outer counties and were content to send their kids to lower performing county schools.
Posted by: Brunnhilde
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Absolutely true. Figuring in the costs of private schools into the equation and the relative tax shield for a mortgage, it makes sense to substitute a high performing public school system residence instead of paying private school fees plus a cheaper mortgage in a poorly performing public school district.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (WDjG6)

120 I am worried that, uh, if we continue, ummm, to drill that our planet will, ehh, collapse.

Posted by: Hank Johnson (D)umb
.......

Kinda like Oak Island.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (v0R5T)

121 102 95: I love bison but it's not easy to find. I'll have to rely on mail order for it.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (jjoN6)

Live ones? If meat, Costco seems to have it all the time where I live (never buy it though; too expensive per pound).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (ynpvh)

122 MSM bleeding their hearts for Big Oil today - after fighting for the "Green New Deal" yesterday. Man, they hate DJT.

Posted by: mrp at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (rj6Yv)

123 So now the Left is worried about Oil Producers making less money?

I'm am confused.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (XV/Pl)

124 "That is MILES away from the all-time [Biden] high ...

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And even more in KILOMETERS!

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 12:46 PM (whSpP)

125 am worried that, uh, if we continue, ummm, to drill that our planet will, ehh, collapse.

Posted by: Hank Johnson (D)umb at

Right after Guam flips over.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 10, 2025 12:46 PM (MGB5H)

126 no here in Washington state. $4.09 @ Safeway to $4.59 at other local stations. Everything in the state of Washington that dems touch turns to shit.

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Eh. I’d trade no state income tax for $4 gas.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:46 PM (9iyS+)

127 My state tacks on $150 registration per year for EVs. Justification being you’re not paying the gas tax. But you’re still buying electricity which has all sorts of state taxes per kilowatt hour. So it’s a neat trick how the state gets to double dip like that.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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I read another state is now going to tax EV charging systems individually.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 12:46 PM (WDjG6)

128 60 Here in NOVA/MD, gas is still hovering around 3 bucks per. Has been for years. These idiots ain't budging. A few outliers are at 2.77 or so, but by far the exception. Some as high as 3.50+. They gotta be profitable as hell if production costs have dropped that low nationally.
Posted by: Mr Wolf at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (SOGBX)

I'm not sure where you are, but where I am in western Prince William, I paid $2.61 last night and saw a couple of high $2.50s on the drive home. They've dropped a little in the last week.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at December 10, 2025 12:46 PM (a/dOO)

129 everything in all our landfills will be subducted and recycled.
Posted by: fd

No math!

Posted by: Dyslexic Moron at December 10, 2025 12:46 PM (w9Wax)

130 They're falling in red states while they remain high in Democrat-controlled states like California, Washington, and Hawaii.

Who can even guess why!

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Because God doesn't like commie rat bastards any more than I do?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 10, 2025 12:46 PM (L/fGl)

131 Afternoon Ace.
I hope the middle class "liberals" in blue states (my NY included) are green with envy. Of course they'll never ask to lower gas taxes but you can't expect much

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 10, 2025 12:46 PM (D+mpw)

132 "Lowering Energy Prices A Crisis For Speculators and Wreckers"

Posted by: NYT at December 10, 2025 12:47 PM (pEFY5)

133 Remember a few months ago that big oil refinery fire at the Chevron refinery in El Segundo, CA? Some folks around here predicted that might cause Cali gas prices to spike. Did it?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2025 12:47 PM (xT8gx)

134 The NYT is concerned about...the oil industry.Sure.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2025 12:47 PM (YwEeS)

135 outright reversals in certain markets (especially in Texas)."

Younger was surprised while chatting with old hs and kolledge mates to find that he bought a nice place (near Houston) for half of what most were looking at elsewhere...

Hmmm.

Posted by: man at December 10, 2025 12:47 PM (XuXeR)

136 I thought I'd read very high beef prices were due to some cow population problem? And that to repopulate will take a long time? I can't recall why there are so many fewer cattle than in the past.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 10, 2025 12:47 PM (qBdHI)

137 60 Here in NOVA/MD, gas is still hovering around 3 bucks per. Has been for years. These idiots ain't budging. A few outliers are at 2.77 or so, but by far the exception. Some as high as 3.50+. They gotta be profitable as hell if production costs have dropped that low nationally.
Posted by: Mr Wolf at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (SOGBX)

You must be on the wrong NOVA side...Fairfax is cheaper and Prince William is WAY cheaper...

$2.79-$2.87 at most Fairfax City stations and stays that way as you branch out - there are "el cheapos" and there are pricier "we don't want to sell gas" places, but the norm all over is under $3 today...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 10, 2025 12:47 PM (tOcjL)

138 My state tacks on $150 registration per year for EVs. Justification being you’re not paying the gas tax. But you’re still buying electricity which has all sorts of state taxes per kilowatt hour. So it’s a neat trick how the state gets to double dip like that.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

Probably because electricity taxes don't go towards road upkeep.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 12:47 PM (+Oyis)

139 124 "That is MILES away from the all-time [Biden] high ...

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And even more in KILOMETERS!

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 12:46 PM (whSpP)

I get all knotted up over these length measures...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (ynpvh)

140 Think of it - gas prices falling and the President hammered CAFE regulations!

We're entering the new Golden Age of American Auto Design, baby!

Posted by: mrp at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (rj6Yv)

141 The word on the street is that there is a coming "gut of oil" that will lower prices even more.

Posted by: SMOD at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (RHGPo)

142 125 am worried that, uh, if we continue, ummm, to drill that our planet will, ehh, collapse.

Posted by: Hank Johnson (D)umb at

Right after Guam flips over.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 10, 2025 12:46 PM (MGB5H)

Is THAT how one flips real estate in Guam?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (ynpvh)

143 Speaking of prices, here is something I learned at Thanksgiving about what the young people are looking for in housing (at least the young people in our family that live in Greensboro, NC)... They are looking at SCHOOL DISTRICTS. And the good school districts apparently are in high demand and push up house prices that would be much lower if they looked in the outer counties and were content to send their kids to lower performing county schools.

This has always been the case in NoVa. School districts drive everything, which is why the School Board does it's best to destroy everyone's property values by moving the boundaries.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (Riz8t)

144 What are gas prices near you?at

Posted by: Ace at 12:30 PM

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Stuck at $2.799/gallon (Costco) for the past several weeks -- although expectations were that it would fall (across Arizona) another 15 to 30 cents by Christmas.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (whSpP)

145 beef prices are still way high. I used to get the costco sirloin slices for like, I dunno, $19. It was so cheap I don't even remember the price.

I wanted to buy some earlier this week and it's like $30.
Posted by: ace at December 10, 2025 12:41 PM (1wjle)

My niece's husband told me this Spring that the price of a calf was what he could have sold a steer for a couple years prior. And even if you bought the calf there is always the chance of losing it before it gets big enough to butcher.

It takes a while to raise a cow to slaughtering age, and it will be a while before the domestic herds are back up. I hope beef from Argentina and Brazil will be easier to get. Did you know they raise a lot of beef in Venezuela?

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (rbvCR)

146 123 So now the Left is worried about Oil Producers making less money?

I'm am confused.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

All bad things are caused by Orange Man bad. All good things that cannot easily be attributed to Democrats are considered like the weather, just there by pure coincidence. So it will be with employment figures, peace, etc.

It is an axiom of reality of for leftists that nothing good in society or the world can ever come from doings of Trump and/or MAGA.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 12:49 PM (WDjG6)

147 16 What are gas prices near you?

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$3.29... Oregon. We consider that cheap around here. We obviously don't us the extra money to fix the roads, so it must go to saving the environment (ie enriching democrats)

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 10, 2025 12:49 PM (nJthq)

148 I thought I'd read very high beef prices were due to some cow population problem? And that to repopulate will take a long time? I can't recall why there are so many fewer cattle than in the past.
Posted by: Lady in Black

Cow pop problem due to drought, feed & possible screw-worm infestation.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 12:49 PM (+Oyis)

149
Finally, the wise choices of Jennifer Granholm and Pete Butagieg are beginning to be felt in the market.

Posted by: Auspex at December 10, 2025 12:49 PM (Y8DZL)

150 My niece's husband told me this Spring that the price of a calf was what he could have sold a steer for a couple years prior. And even if you bought the calf there is always the chance of losing it before it gets big enough to butcher.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (rbvCR)

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This actually just happened to my boss a couple of weeks ago. He went in on a cow with his dad, and it died.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 12:49 PM (DRSnL)

151 Stuck at $2.799/gallon (Costco) for the past several weeks -- although expectations were that it would fall (across Arizona) another 15 to 30 cents by Christmas.
Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (whSpP)
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$2.59 here at Costco last night.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 12:50 PM (WDjG6)

152 The abiotic oil theory says that oil is a natural by-product of the high temperatures at the core of the earth and surfaces thru levels of strata that contain plant/animal fossil remnants and become embedded into the oil.
Thus causing the name "fossil fuels".
Given the finding of major oil deposits are extremely deep levels in the ocean, where it's very difficult to explain how the plant/animal remnants could actually occur, has led to more support for the theory.

Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at December 10, 2025 12:50 PM (MNCvZ)

153 In Pennsylvania, after the Democrats took control of the State House, they raised the gas tax higher than California, but California raised theirs even more so Pennsylvania is now with the 3rd highest gas tax.

Posted by: SMOD at December 10, 2025 12:50 PM (RHGPo)

154 Cow pop problem due to drought, feed & possible screw-worm infestation.
Posted by: rickb223 at December

And the Biden admin disastrous policies.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 10, 2025 12:50 PM (MGB5H)

155 $3.96 in Northern Nevada.

Or East California, as the newly arrived communists like to call it.

Posted by: Czech Chick at December 10, 2025 12:50 PM (vK/Ja)

156 108 yeah, no here in Washington state. $4.09 @ Safeway to $4.59 at other local stations. Everything in the state of Washington that dems touch turns to shit. Higher diesel prices / gas prices lead to higher grocery prices. The list goes on and on.
Posted by: Sherpa_K2 at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (GL+EM)

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You must be on the west side. I'm at $3.69 on the east side.

Yes. Near a little town which is left of Leon Trotsky. Port Townsend Wa..

Posted by: Sherpa_K2 at December 10, 2025 12:51 PM (GL+EM)

157 I paid $2.19 a gallon for 87 octane unleaded at a QuickTrip in Richardson, TX on Dec 8.

I saw $1.99 a gallon in Corpus Christi late last week (just one place, most were $2.10-$2.15), but Corpus generally has about the cheapest gas in the state due to proximity to refineries and almost zero transport costs.

Posted by: Sloucho at December 10, 2025 12:51 PM (Ym0Nd)

158 If NM has so much oil, why is it such a downtrodden shithole of a state?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 12:31 PM (Zz0t1)

Corruption. Been described as "Sopranos with a different accent". There are a couple of families that run *everything*. Current governor is an avowed communist, which doesn't help.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 10, 2025 12:51 PM (lFFaq)

159 Buy a cheap house in a shitty school district and send the kid to private school. Probably works out better financially.

Not every neighborhood in a bad school district is a bad ‘hood. School district boundaries can be gerrymandered so that nice areas get lumped together with shit areas to get more tax revenue.

But the price of homes in said ‘hoods can be 30% cheaper than a comparable home a few blocks away .

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:51 PM (9iyS+)

160 Just more economic ignorance from the NYT--low prices don't "squeeze" the energy industry. The "margin" is baked in--they're going to make their money when prices are high and make their money when prices are low. The only thing that changes when policies change is the *cost* of producing the energy. When the cost drops, consumers and business benefit.

Posted by: Crusader at December 10, 2025 12:52 PM (TN0g+)

161 I just re-registered my car plates this morning. Maryland used to have 2 year registration at $135 and Gov. Tax Moore decided it would be a good idea to double that tax. To hide it they now do one year registration for $120. I am sure there are people who think the cost has gone down. God do I ever hate democrats

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 10, 2025 12:52 PM (Bo9Yf)

162 Just got gas this morning. Just outside Nashville, 2.29 a gallon.

Posted by: Tennessee Jed at December 10, 2025 12:52 PM (Lo5Xg)

163 Gas is high in PA as well because of the gas tax

But the roads still suck

PennDOT sucks

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 10, 2025 12:52 PM (OTdqV)

164 My niece's husband told me this Spring that the price of a calf was what he could have sold a steer for a couple years prior. And even if you bought the calf there is always the chance of losing it before it gets big enough to butcher.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (rbvCR)

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This actually just happened to my boss a couple of weeks ago. He went in on a cow with his dad, and it died.
Posted by: Jordan61

We just had three calves dropped in the last three weeks since our cold snap. They always seem to throw a calf when it gets cold.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 12:52 PM (+Oyis)

165 Buy a cheap house in a shitty school district and send the kid to private school. Probably works out better financially.

Given the price of private school tuition, that is almost never true.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:52 PM (Riz8t)

166 Vacancies are rising in some markets blamed in the media on overproduction of rental housing.
Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (WDjG6)

And house prices are so high because of a shortage of housing.
Years of customer service allows me to say that with a straight face.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:52 PM (rbvCR)

167 You can't drill your way out of high gas prices!

Posted by: Stuff democrats say at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (sKqQm)

168 no here in Washington state. $4.09 @ Safeway to $4.59 at other local stations. Everything in the state of Washington that dems touch turns to shit.

Hey!
A Shit Tax!
Great idea!
And it'll be 'for the children.'

Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (P845J)

169
$3.80 for regular at Costco in San Diego County.

If something doesn't change here, I expect the depraved CA state government to send it a lot higher.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (azNOR)

170 Oil Prices Dropped 19% Helping Drivers, but Squeezing the Industry

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What, Seizing the Industry wasn't available?

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (whSpP)

171 Oregon has no sales tax. Wash has no income tax.
You guys really can’t complain too much about high gas prices. Same with Nevada.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (9iyS+)

172 Probably because electricity taxes don't go towards road upkeep"

Funny. Anyone belive road use taxes go to roads?

/bikepaths'r'us

Posted by: man at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (XuXeR)

173 "Unaccountably, and probably due to Something The Democrats Did, gas prices are falling across the nation."

Well let's see, Dems drive up the cost of oil, filling Putin's war chest and he invades his neighbor. Then Trump comes in and unleashes US production driving down costs and Putin quiets down.

Then Biden gets in and we do it all over again. So, kind of due to Democrats inability to learn.

Trump's been driving production here and elsewhere (Saudi, etc.) because they're trying to take Russian oil off the market militarily.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (pIfcn)

174 Just more economic ignorance from the NYT--low prices don't "squeeze" the energy industry.

==

"Won't anybody think of the oil execs?!"

Coming from the NYT, it seems a bit, shall we say, incongruent.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (qBdHI)

175 The word on the street is that there is a coming "gut of oil" that will lower prices even more.

Using Olestra to produce "oil"?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at December 10, 2025 12:54 PM (/HDaX)

176 yes, beef prices are way up

Posted by: runner at December 10, 2025 12:54 PM (g47mK)

177 In Pennsylvania, after the Democrats took control of the State House, they raised the gas tax higher than California

It's always a shock driving into Maryland, New Jersey, and New York (could you get more Blue?) and seeing substantially cheaper gas prices. And they have smooth roads, too!

Posted by: t-bird at December 10, 2025 12:54 PM (Y3swt)

178 I’m ready to nominate Trump as emperor for life right now… of course I’m just one voter….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
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[climbs on bandwagon]

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 10, 2025 12:54 PM (XeU6L)

179 Probably because electricity taxes don't go towards road upkeep.
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I'm no longer convinced that *anything* goes for anything when it comes to state and federal government. Most of it is just a racket on top of rackets on top of other rackets.

Posted by: Crusader at December 10, 2025 12:54 PM (TN0g+)

180 141 The word on the street is that there is a coming "gut of oil" that will lower prices even more.
Posted by: SMOD
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Elites in Euroland are terrified that fracking starts there (and they do have regions where it is likely to work including the UK). But, I also noticed China's trade surplus hit $1 trillion bucks. US exports though are down 29 percent for the year so far. That means a lot more of Chinese mfg shit is going to Euroland instead--trade deficit estimates are now about $400 billion with China for this year at the very least.

At some point, the balance of trade deficits and suffocation of mfg in Euroland is going to force them to develop their untapped resources in oil and gas.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 12:55 PM (WDjG6)

181 I filled my Suburban yesterday at 1.18 Loonies per liter, which is the best price for miles around right now. That works out to about $3.20 USD per U.S. gallon.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2025 12:55 PM (npFr7)

182 This actually just happened to my boss a couple of weeks ago. He went in on a cow with his dad, and it died.
Posted by: Jordan61

*takes notes*

Posted by: Carroll Shelby at December 10, 2025 12:55 PM (w9Wax)

183 PennDOT has always sucked.

Posted by: man at December 10, 2025 12:55 PM (XuXeR)

184 Hey!
A Shit Tax!
Great idea!
And it'll be 'for the children.'

Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (P845J)

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"That would have a disparate impact on the obese, fat-shaming h8r!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 12:55 PM (whSpP)

185 Gas is 4.59 in Seattle.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 10, 2025 12:55 PM (W2Pud)

186 A nice, Turbine Bamboo Furnace and Generator could jump us into a bright future, one without Pandas.

Posted by: Penguin Promotion Board at December 10, 2025 12:55 PM (oftw2)

187 171 Oregon has no sales tax. Wash has no income tax.
You guys really can’t complain too much about high gas prices. Same with Nevada.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (9iyS+)

Come to NY, you get to pay sales tax on the excise tax. It's like a Double Stuffed shit sandwich.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 10, 2025 12:55 PM (pIfcn)

188 Sam's Club Durham, NC $2.71 for unleaded regular.

Posted by: mrp at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (rj6Yv)

189 "My niece's husband told me this Spring that the price of a calf was what he could have sold a steer for a couple years prior. And even if you bought the calf there is always the chance of losing it before it gets big enough to butcher.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:48 PM (rbvCR)"

We buy a heifer or steer every year from my wife's family and have for the last 15 years. Never had one die. They ranch about 20 miles north of Hondo, TX.

We got a black angus steer this year that is the best beef I've ever had. Even the round steak is tender! The sirloins and ribeyes are phenomenal. Love buying beef wholesale, want to get a source for hogs, too. I had one but the guy stopped selling them onesy twosy. If anyone knows a source to purchase whole hogs for butchering I'd appreciate knowing.

Posted by: Sloucho at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (Ym0Nd)

190 There sure is a lot of unexpectedly in the news lately.
Also it's funny how all the dims can't shut up about affordability now. But they didn't have jackshit to say about it when the vegetable was in office and inflation was at 9%.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (Lo97M)

191 Hey!
A Shit Tax!
Great idea!
And it'll be 'for the children.'

Posted by: Diogenes at

Is it on volume, weight, frequency?

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (MGB5H)

192 Given the price of private school tuition, that is almost never true.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:52 PM (Riz8t)

Tuition for a good school in my area is $15kish a year. If you save $1k in mortgage with a cheaper house and lower property tax it works out. For one kid anyway.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (9iyS+)

193 167 You can't drill your way out of high gas prices!
Posted by: Stuff democrats say at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (sKqQm)

IT'LL TAKE 20 YEARS BEFORE THE PRODUCTION COMES ON LINE!

GIVE UP!

GET IN LINE!

SUBMIT!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (bss/y)

194 185 Gas is 4.59 in Seattle.
Posted by: nurse ratched

🤯

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (6U1c2)

195 "Unaccountably, and probably due to Something The Democrats Did, gas prices are falling across the nation."
--

"Biden policies taking effect!"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (XeU6L)

196 Given the finding of major oil deposits are extremely deep levels in the ocean, where it's very difficult to explain how the plant/animal remnants could actually occur, has led to more support for the theory.
Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy

Not really. The oceans have been constantly changing levels. Further, plate tectonics explains some as well.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2025 12:57 PM (mlg/3)

197 If Trump keeps lowering prices, soon it will be $19 …

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 10, 2025 12:57 PM (IQBae)

198
It's possible to fill up in Ohio, drive across Pennsylvania on I-80, and reach Maryland on one tank.

Posted by: Auspex at December 10, 2025 12:57 PM (Y8DZL)

199 Until beef comes down in price, I've been mostly buying pork.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 10, 2025 12:57 PM (cYBz/)

200 176 yes, beef prices are way up
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2025 12:54 PM (g47mK)

That said, Target put their shaved beef steak from Demakes Bros on sale for $8/lb today ($7 for 14 oz), so I bought it. Easiest way to get non ground beef (and non total garbage - sorry Steakums) in my diet with a ton of veg. Amazon's cheap bell peppers, onions, mushrooms, and shredded cheese (for the kids) make for 1/2 and 1/2 sandwiches for 6 with a little under 2 lbs of the meat...with ketchup (one of the few things I always use that for)...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 10, 2025 12:57 PM (tOcjL)

201
We just had three calves dropped in the last three weeks since our cold snap. They always seem to throw a calf when it gets cold.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 12:52 PM (+Oyis)

Are you running a cow/calf operation? How many head?

It's branding time here, calving is in the fall.

Posted by: Caligirl at December 10, 2025 12:58 PM (gpah0)

202 Oregon has no sales tax. Wash has no income tax.
You guys really can’t complain too much about high gas prices. Same with Nevada.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (9iyS+)

=====

Can I complain about the property taxes? Because those are insane, too.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 12:58 PM (DRSnL)

203 199 Until beef comes down in price, I've been mostly buying pork.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 10, 2025 12:57 PM (cYBz/)

You can't swing a dead cat in a grocery store without hitting some type of chicken.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 10, 2025 12:58 PM (bss/y)

204 3.79 for Diesel this morning...

Posted by: Inogame at December 10, 2025 12:58 PM (53oGX)

205 I paid $2.80 yesterday, which is nowhere near the lows I have seen around here.

The state government jacked up gas taxes several years ago, and shockingly, astoundingly! New Yorkers and Pennsylvanians no longer come to NJ for cheap fuel.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2025 12:35 PM (n9ltV)

Its a lot cheaper in these parts of jersey. I saw it in the $2.60s a few weeks ago. Some stations are whores, but there are stations where its cheaper.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 10, 2025 12:58 PM (snZF9)

206
Didn't Exxon just come up with a way to make fracking 20% more efficient?

Posted by: Auspex at December 10, 2025 12:58 PM (Y8DZL)

207 Huge production of oil, lower prices worldwide, who knew!
Water is wet too!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 10, 2025 12:58 PM (jFNww)

208 183 PennDOT has always sucked.
Posted by: man

What do you mean? We caused thousands of accidents and millions of man-hours of lost time and inconvenience.

Posted by: The Breezewood "Interchange" at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (oftw2)

209 Elites in Euroland are terrified that fracking starts there (and they do have regions where it is likely to work including the UK). But, I also noticed China's trade surplus hit $1 trillion bucks. US exports though are down 29 percent for the year so far. That means a lot more of Chinese mfg shit is going to Euroland instead--trade deficit estimates are now about $400 billion with China for this year at the very least.

At some point, the balance of trade deficits and suffocation of mfg in Euroland is going to force them to develop their untapped resources in oil and gas.

Macron was just begging Xi to buy more French goods to forestall a collapse of the French economy. I'm not sure how many more escargot China can take, though.

https://is.gd/PXvsOS

Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (Riz8t)

210 Probably because electricity taxes don't go towards road upkeep.

Depends on the State and depends on the roads.

In Texas, gasoline excise taxes go mostly to the education cartels, just like a large portion of oil severance royalties.

As for the roads, surface roads are usually paid for out of general revenue so don't throw rocks at EV, hybrids and bicyclists that drive on Texas roads.

Limited Access freeways though do come out of gasoline taxes, bridge and road fees, tolls and occasionally loot from the FedGov.

In fact, over half of Texas state expenditures is wasted on that fraud known as Public Education.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (BvPIe)

211
Cow pop problem due to drought, feed & possible screw-worm infestation.
Posted by: rickb223

Bird flu replaced by cow flu.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (pkeXY)

212 Hey, NYT! If the oil industry is being squeezed, maybe that means they are not "price-gouging" like you often accuse.

Posted by: Emmie at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (FMtrg)

213 185 Gas is 4.59 in Seattle.
Posted by: nurse ratched

But the beach!

Posted by: choices at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (FCWhv)

214 199 Until beef comes down in price, I've been mostly buying pork.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 10, 2025 12:57 PM (cYBz/)

We usually have a prime rib for Christmas but the lowest price I've seen so far is $14. 99 a pound...And it's not prime....

Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (VE6XX)

215 California - your high costs are directly related to D policies.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (C3IAS)

216 I saw $2.12/ gal. for regular, cash, this morning.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (wzUl9)

217 I saw Loonies Per Liter open for Sweet Poutine at Tim Hortons in 2018.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 01:00 PM (whSpP)

218 >What do you mean? We caused thousands of accidents and millions of man-hours of lost time and inconvenience.

Posted by: The Breezewood "Interchange" at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (oftw2)

The Vine St. Expressway has entered the chat.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 10, 2025 01:00 PM (NgqoH)

219 What are gas prices near you?

Posted by: Ace

$3.859/gallon

Nuck Fewsom

Posted by: Stu Podaso at December 10, 2025 01:00 PM (z8ihD)

220 fact, over half of Texas state expenditures is wasted on that fraud known as Public Education.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

And that's AFTER the improvement in costs from consolidation.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 10, 2025 01:00 PM (MGB5H)

221 There is what I think is an unsubstantiated claim that Maduro's former Intel chief has released a list of US Senators Venezuela has been giving money to, in return for favorable legislation.

I await confirmation because I always thought our two rat-bastard Senators were on the take from our enemies

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 01:00 PM (rbvCR)

222 I wonder if some chains are intentionally keeping prices up and increasing prices to screw with Trump.

Posted by: runner at December 10, 2025 01:00 PM (g47mK)

223 Costco is a lefty enterprise , no ?

Posted by: runner at December 10, 2025 01:00 PM (g47mK)

224 Can I complain about the property taxes? Because those are insane, too.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 12:58 PM (DRSnL)

You’re still better off than with an income tax. I’ve lived in states with and without income tax. Even with higher property tax higher gas tax higher whatever tax it was still a good trade off.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:01 PM (9iyS+)

225 The PRC jumped their exports to the US earlier this year to beat the new tariff regime.

Posted by: mrp at December 10, 2025 01:01 PM (rj6Yv)

226 It's possible to fill up in Ohio, drive across Pennsylvania on I-80, and reach Maryland on one tank.

Hit it!

Posted by: This message brought to you by Waymo and Waze at December 10, 2025 01:01 PM (Y3swt)

227
Macron was just begging Xi to buy more French goods to forestall a collapse of the French economy. I'm not sure how many more escargot China can take, though.

I hear China has a mime shortage.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 10, 2025 01:02 PM (pkeXY)

228 PennDOT has always sucked.
Posted by: man

What do you mean? We caused thousands of accidents and millions of man-hours of lost time and inconvenience.
Posted by: The Breezewood "Interchange"

I've heard that they are finally going to correct that abortion of a interchange. Amazing how laws and policies seem to be created to fu what is best for the people.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 10, 2025 01:02 PM (cYBz/)

229 Re private schools,
The national average private school tuition is $15,000 per year (2025-26).

The private elementary school average tuition cost is $14,021 per year and the private high school average is $17,986 per year.
Source privateschoolreview dot com and this tracks with similar official although more dated figures.

At 15k per year, it would take about 19k in income before taxes per kid per year. Then also savings for university study. You would have to balance that with a number of other factors, commuting costs, public safety, property taxes (often the saving on crappy housing in blue areas is minimal on property taxes or even negative), and age of housing.

Some states give generous tax breaks of one sort or another on private education; others do not.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:02 PM (WDjG6)

230 224 Can I complain about the property taxes? Because those are insane, too.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 12:58 PM (DRSnL)

Hey, here in CA we have it all.... High property taxes, high gas prices, high sales tax, high Vehicle registration taxes....

Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2025 01:02 PM (VE6XX)

231 Macron was just begging Xi to buy more French goods to forestall a collapse of the French economy. I'm not sure how many more escargot China can take, though.

I hear China has a mime shortage.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, J

That's a lot of baguettes.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 10, 2025 01:02 PM (MGB5H)

232 I saw $2.12/ gal. for regular, cash, this morning.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (wzUl9)
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Is there a discount for exact change?

Posted by: mrp at December 10, 2025 01:02 PM (rj6Yv)

233 >I hear China has a mime shortage.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 10, 2025 01:02 PM (pkeXY)

Posted by: marcel marceau at December 10, 2025 01:02 PM (NgqoH)

234 I don’t really understand why voters have soured Donald Trump and the GOP. In my opinion, he’s delivering.

I think, unfortunately, the tariif wars allowed the narrative to build that the reason why things are expensive are because of Trump‘s tariffs

Posted by: Maroon at December 10, 2025 01:03 PM (D7ri/)

235 2.49 cash price. Considering 57 cents tax per gallon pretty low.

Posted by: Regular American at December 10, 2025 01:03 PM (AoMt0)

236 Gas prices here around the 2.29/ gallon range.

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2025 01:03 PM (pDt9x)

237 Gas is 4.59 in Seattle.
Posted by: nurse ratched

But the beach!
Posted by: choices at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (FCWhv)

---------------

I lost my wedding ring around our 20th anniversary after going for a swim (following an Alaskan cruise) in the Pacific with friends on Vashon Island last year.

[I'm surprised I didn't manage to lose it before then -- and had a couple of close calls, one necessitating the purchase of a metal detector to scour our backyard lawn.]

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 01:03 PM (whSpP)

238 Oregon has no sales tax. Wash has no income tax.
You guys really can’t complain too much about high gas prices. Same with Nevada.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:53 PM (9iyS+)

Go back and ask your handlers for better insults

Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 01:03 PM (rbvCR)

239 Sumbitch is anti-science!

Rep. Haley Stevens
@RepHaleyStevens
Today, I formally introduced articles of impeachment against Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
RFK Jr. has turned his back on science and the safety of the American people. Michiganders cannot take another day of his chaos.

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Also the beautiful and charming Rep. Haley Stevens.

https://is.gd/M6C63Z

I don't know whether I believe in science but I definitely believe in witches.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 10, 2025 01:04 PM (L/fGl)

240 237

I lost my wedding ring around our 20th anniversary after going for a swim (following an Alaskan cruise) in the Pacific with friends on Vashon Island last year.

[I'm surprised I didn't manage to lose it before then -- and had a couple of close calls, one necessitating the purchase of a metal detector to scour our backyard lawn.]
Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 01:03 PM (whSpP)

Increase your salt intake.

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2025 01:04 PM (pDt9x)

241 TBF HI will always have higher gas prices just because everything has to be shipped in.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 10, 2025 01:04 PM (rQwsY)

242 Hey, here in CA we have it all.... High property taxes, high gas prices, high sales tax, high Vehicle registration taxes....
Posted by: It's me donna

And our roads are still shit.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (z8ihD)

243 I have mixed feelings about the fear of Newscum. The danger is the AWFLs who will swoon over his bitchin' hair. But I don't see him as any different than any of the rest. They are all terrible. This is the same reason I couldn't root for Cuomo.

Posted by: Eeyore at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (s0JqF)

244 $2.12 Casper, WY Sam's Club.

Posted by: Hamm on 5 at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (7Q0e+)

245 I've heard that the fact that we still have oil coming out of the ground in quantity means it has nothing to do with dinosaurs but if anyone here's got expertise I'd love to hear the details.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 10, 2025 12:37 PM (2ocoG)

Spoiler: there never was a "dinosaur" theory for the formation of oil. Not in the industry. The dinosaurs merely serve as a symbol for the age of the rocks most productive of oil. The presumption is that single celled marine organisms were the major source of the hydrocarbons. I have read suggestions that pollen from land plants, washed into the seas by rivers, might also play a role.

I will note that the "biotic" theory of oil has a track record of success. The abiotic theory, to the extent that is has been tested at all, has yielded dry holes. Hard to get financing to drill a well, if the expectation is that it will be a dry hole.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (npFr7)

246 Also the beautiful and charming Rep. Haley Stevens.

https://is.gd/M6C63Z

I don't know whether I believe in science but I definitely believe in witches.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

She looks like Sloth's (Goonies) daughter.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (MGB5H)

247 224 Can I complain about the property taxes? Because those are insane, too.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 12:58 PM (DRSnL)

You’re still better off than with an income tax. I’ve lived in states with and without income tax. Even with higher property tax higher gas tax higher whatever tax it was still a good trade off.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

Highly dependent on locale. Some states have relatively low property but higher sales taxes with no income tax, TN for example. Texas seems to have high sales tax coupled with higher than average property tax rates depending on locale (TX is a big state). Others, like Florida, have no income tax, spiking property values, favorable sales tax, but you spend a lot on insurance for homes.

Some mags track this stuff but always do your own homework and tax planning prior to a move on your individual situation.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (WDjG6)

248 Filled up for $2.07/ gal at Plainview, TX.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (rQwsY)

249 234 I don’t really understand why voters have soured Donald Trump and the GOP. In my opinion, he’s delivering.

I think, unfortunately, the tariif wars allowed the narrative to build that the reason why things are expensive are because of Trump‘s tariffs

Posted by: Maroon at December 10, 2025 01:03 PM (D7ri/)

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They haven't.

People are taking elections with 25% turnout and asserting that they reflect elections in a year that will have 80% turnout.

It's just that high propensity voters are now Democrat voters. Those voters that turn out for every bond issue and city council special election, they're Democrat leaners now. In the early 2010s, they were Republicans.

And Democrats kept winning the White House and forcing policy changes through the administrative powers, making winning midterms shockingly meaningless.

No one knows how to turn low propensity voters into high propensity voters. It's just a learned habit. Concentrated and proven effective GOTV efforts can help at the margins, but ultimately, most people in Miami probably had no idea there was even an election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (GBKbO)

250 The "peeled" Prime tenderloin was $38 a pound.
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Considering taking up cattle ranching in Ohio. Not for profit. But with my own herd i can at least have access to steak at cost.

Posted by: Regular American at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (AoMt0)

251 $3.49/gal last night in SoCal (San Diego).

Oddly, there will be no "investigations" of the price drops, as has happened half a dozen times in the past when prices rose. This goes back to my yute.

The astonishing power of the ignorance/envy combo was one of the first things I recall making we wonder about public policy and even economics. And of course it was classic. Oil companies explained: 1) only one small pipeline to SD from refineries in LA, thus, supply/transport cost 2) far fewer gas stations in SD than LA, thus, less competition.

Incredible! Like quantum physics or something!!!

Later, I (and others) on the Senate floor marveled, aghast, at the idiotic Dem fulminations about "windfall profits!!" in the oil industry, and industry that is by nature cyclical, and has some of the most capital-intensive operations of any. And let's not forget Congress having "hearings" about gas prices. Economic illiteracy and envy tragically form the basis for many peoples' "worldview".

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2025 01:06 PM (U/Byj)

252 It's branding time here, calving is in the fall.
Posted by: Caligirl
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"The long river winds through green years and dry years
Brand them in the spring ship them in the fall..."

Ian & Sylvia, 'Where The Short Grass Grows'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnvFVbEuURI

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 10, 2025 01:06 PM (XeU6L)

253 >Also the beautiful and charming Rep. Haley Stevens.

https://is.gd/M6C63Z

I don't know whether I believe in science but I definitely believe in witches.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 10, 2025 01:04 PM (L/fGl)

She's a walking ad for Thorazine.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 10, 2025 01:06 PM (NgqoH)

254

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 10, 2025 01:06 PM (DDJSl)

255 233 >I hear China has a mime shortage.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 10, 2025 01:02 PM (pkeXY)

Posted by: marcel marceau

What he said!

Posted by: Mitch McConnell's aide at December 10, 2025 01:06 PM (Riz8t)

256 Have a lot lot of cows around here. Opportunities to get good local beef, as well as pork. Even have sheep, if mutton is what someone wants.

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2025 01:07 PM (pDt9x)

257 Also the beautiful and charming Rep. Haley Stevens.

https://is.gd/M6C63Z

I don't know whether I believe in science but I definitely believe in witches.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Wow. When Elizabeth Moss is better looking than you are...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at December 10, 2025 01:07 PM (/HDaX)

258
when was the last time the NYT gave a shit about what happens to the energy industry? they actively cheer its destruction and when the industry lost tens of thousands of jobs in 2015/2016, i don't recall a sob story. i heard 'learn to code'
Posted by: John Galt at December 10, 2025 12:44 PM (mGkIn)

As long as New Yawk has a steady supply of hand-made artisian bagels, made with locally-grown wheat...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 10, 2025 01:07 PM (y9nCu)

259 I will note that the "biotic" theory of oil has a track record of success. The abiotic theory, to the extent that is has been tested at all, has yielded dry holes. Hard to get financing to drill a well, if the expectation is that it will be a dry hole.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
=========
I think lander investigations of places like Saturn and Jupiter moons are probably going to shed some light on abiotic theories. Outerspace has quite a bit of carbon floating around apparently.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:07 PM (WDjG6)

260 239 Sumbitch is anti-science!

Rep. Haley Stevens
@RepHaleyStevens
Today, I formally introduced articles of impeachment against Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
RFK Jr. has turned his back on science and the safety of the American people. Michiganders cannot take another day of his chaos.

-
Also the beautiful and charming Rep. Haley Stevens.

https://is.gd/M6C63Z

I don't know whether I believe in science but I definitely believe in witches.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 10, 2025 01:04 PM (L/fGl)

Seems like some dems have been drinking the water...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 01:08 PM (ynpvh)

261 259 I will note that the "biotic" theory of oil has a track record of success. The abiotic theory, to the extent that is has been tested at all, has yielded dry holes. Hard to get financing to drill a well, if the expectation is that it will be a dry hole.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
=========
I think lander investigations of places like Saturn and Jupiter moons are probably going to shed some light on abiotic theories. Outerspace has quite a bit of carbon floating around apparently.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:07 PM (WDjG6)

Titan.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 10, 2025 01:08 PM (ynpvh)

262 Exxon should be fellating Trump and enthusiastically, but gently, juggling his balls. The Venezuelans were making moves towards using force to take oil fields in neighboring Guyana.

Those fields contain major Exxon holdings including wells that produce for $27/barrel give or take. They are among the cheapest producing wells Exxon has and the most profitable.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 10, 2025 01:08 PM (pIfcn)

263 Hey, NYT! If the oil industry is being squeezed, maybe that means they are not "price-gouging" like you often accuse.

100% certainty that that's what they'll say as soon as prices tick back up.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 10, 2025 01:08 PM (3nLb4)

264 Highly dependent on locale. Some states have relatively low property but higher sales taxes with no income tax, TN for example. Texas seems to have high sales tax coupled with higher than average property tax rates depending on locale (TX is a big state). Others, like Florida, have no income tax, spiking property values, favorable sales tax, but you spend a lot on insurance for homes.

Some mags track this stuff but always do your own homework and tax planning prior to a move on your individual situation.
Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (WDjG6)

TX at the local level has politicians that very cheerfully raise property taxes for everything a do anything. It is worth remembering that the only thing TX does is write the rules for localities to impose property taxes. And due to people voting for bond issues upon hearing the promise that they won’t raise property taxes (they do, they have to be paid off with interest), the rates rise to pay for the interest.

TX can have lower property taxes but they cheerfully elect local governments that see the taxpayers as nothing more than ATMs.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 10, 2025 01:08 PM (rQwsY)

265 >>>Highly dependent on locale.

When moving from Texas to Missouri, I was annoyed I now had to pay state income tax, personal property tax (seriously wtf?) and sales tax on some things that were exempted in Texas like groceries.

I wound up coming out ahead. Texas has sky high property taxes even in many rural areas. 6th highest in the country. Plus a pretty darn high sales tax.

Texas has to pay for all those massive freeways and all the illegals in the school somehow.

Posted by: brak at December 10, 2025 01:08 PM (jGJov)

266 The "peeled" Prime tenderloin was $38 a pound.

Tenderloin of what, a child?

Posted by: Crissy Teegan at December 10, 2025 01:09 PM (bucPA)

267 Is it possible that oil could be both biotic and abiotic? Or is that just Splitter talk?

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2025 01:09 PM (pDt9x)

268 Also the beautiful and charming Rep. Haley Stevens.

https://is.gd/M6C63Z

I don't know whether I believe in science but I definitely believe in witches.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 10, 2025 01:04 PM (L/fGl)

Seems like some dems have been drinking the water...
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Haley looks like she's been drinking the ice cream...

Posted by: Crusader at December 10, 2025 01:09 PM (TN0g+)

269 Highly dependent on locale. Some states have relatively low property but higher sales taxes with no income tax, TN for example. Texas seems to have high sales tax coupled with higher than average property tax rates depending on locale (TX is a big state). Others, like Florida, have no income tax, spiking property values, favorable sales tax, but you spend a lot on insurance for homes.

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That’s kind of my point. In the end it all balances out. Which is why I’m saying paying $4.50 an extra gas in Seattle but having no income tax and somewhat higher property taxes vs a place with 2.50 gas, is a wash.

Of course it depends on income and how much you drive but for the typical person it’s a wash.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:09 PM (9iyS+)

270 Exxon should be fellating Trump and enthusiastically, but gently, juggling his balls. The Venezuelans were making moves towards using force to take oil fields in neighboring Guyana.

Those fields contain major Exxon holdings including wells that produce for $27/barrel give or take. They are among the cheapest producing wells Exxon has and the most profitable.

I did not know that.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 01:09 PM (Riz8t)

271 263 Hey, NYT! If the oil industry is being squeezed, maybe that means they are not "price-gouging" like you often accuse.

100% certainty that that's what they'll say as soon as prices tick back up.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 10, 2025 01:08 PM (3nLb4

Yep. Because the country is full of economic illiterates. Anyone who says “price gouging” confesses to being an economic illiterate.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 10, 2025 01:09 PM (rQwsY)

272 Hydrocarbons are constantly being recycled by the Earth. Over time everything in all our landfills will be subducted and recycled.
=
Hmm. Its as if some all knowing, all powerful, benevolent being created a systematic way to sustain humanity. PREPOSTEROUS!!!!!! ITS FERMENTED DINOSAURS I TELL YOU!!!!

Posted by: Regular American at December 10, 2025 01:10 PM (AoMt0)

273 Posted by: The Breezewood "Interchange" at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (oftw2)

First time I went through Breezewood almost 30 years ago now, I was like "WTF?"

Over time, I became kind of fond of it. We'd always stop there to have lunch when we were going back to see my family in Michigan. Our son seemed to enjoy it. Good memories.

Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:10 PM (77rzZ)

274 Oh, and something like 65 cents of current gas prices in CA are due to a *voter-approved* tax hike that took effect in July (which nicely cancelled out one of the larger price drops). So remove that, and CA prices would be mig-high $2 range.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2025 01:10 PM (U/Byj)

275 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 10, 2025 01:04 PM (L/fGl)

I wonder who's been paying her off?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2025 01:11 PM (Nx5jP)

276 Price per barrel of crude is still in the sweet spot,at least that's what Billy Bob said on Landman.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 10, 2025 01:11 PM (wBaIH)

277 Democrats really used to argue that the 7 year wait made drilling stupid and impossible. Bastards. How long have they been trying to implement their precious communism?

Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 01:11 PM (lF28Z)

278 What's good for the Michigoose....

Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 01:11 PM (lF28Z)

279 Michiganders cannot take another day of his chaos.

I don't know why but that name always quacks me up.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 10, 2025 01:11 PM (3nLb4)

280 5 I wonder what mass deportations have to do with the demand part of the supply/demand curve?

Probably nothing.

It's not like mass deportations is the solution to most of our economic problems, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Mass deportations will cause reductions in:

1 unemployment spending
2 housing prices
3 grocery prices
4 fuel prices
5 auto insurance
6 traffic accidents
7 hospital wait times
8 welfare spending
9 public school overcrowding
10 public school violence
11 murders
12 property crime
13 migrant camps and groups of peasants hanging out in front of Home Depot

Other than that, it will not have too big an effect.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:11 PM (5yV+P)

281 Are you running a cow/calf operation? How many head?

It's branding time here, calving is in the fall.
Posted by: Caligirl

I'm not. We lease our land to a neighbor who runs cows on five or six different properties. He has one bull and about twenty cows. These cows will drop all winter long. He scoops up the calves after weaning and puts them on a different property until they ho to market.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 01:11 PM (+Oyis)

282 -
Also the beautiful and charming Rep. Haley Stevens.

https://is.gd/M6C63Z

I don't know whether I believe in science but I definitely believe in witches.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 10, 2025 01:04 PM (L/fGl)

She's got big tits, so there's that.........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:12 PM (Zz0t1)

283 Given the price of private school tuition, that is almost never true.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 12:52 PM (Riz8t)

There are lots of options these days depending on what state you live in. If you aren't fixated on scholastic sports and fine arts, then there are hybrid homeschool-classroom organizations that are relatively cheap.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at December 10, 2025 01:12 PM (GD2xa)

284 280 Other than that, it will not have too big an effect.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:11 PM (5yV+P)

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Yeah, but mass importations increase GDP.

So, import!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 01:12 PM (GBKbO)

285 Michiganders cannot take another day of his chaos.

I don't know why but that name always quacks me up.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 10, 2025 01:11 PM (3nLb4)

Sauce for the Michigoose.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 10, 2025 01:13 PM (dK+Kv)

286 No one knows how to turn low propensity voters into high propensity voters. It's just a learned habit. Concentrated and proven effective GOTV efforts can help at the margins, but ultimately, most people in Miami probably had no idea there was even an election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (GBKbO)
>>

Dems have a vested interest in maintaining control of state and local government agencies and are willing to fund campaigns for candidates that support their interests (teachers unions, government workers labor unions, environmentalists, etc.). Non-Dems tend to vote with their wallets or their feet. The US presidency is the only office that has a nation-wide constituency, and that means both wallets and feet are on the line- hence, bigger turnout.

Posted by: mrp at December 10, 2025 01:13 PM (rj6Yv)

287 It is taxed specifically to keep it on that proportion with gasoline.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 10, 2025 12:39 PM (rbvCR)

Also the pricing is now more in line with energy content of the fuel. Diesel packs more BTU's per gallon than gasoline. It used to be cheaper because refineries had to produce a lot of Diesel to get enough gasoline to sell. Because Diesel was cheaper, auto makers started bring Diesel-powered light trucks to market. Prior to the the 1980's, Diesel-powered pickups and passenger cars were a rare thing indeed. Now, they are everywhere.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2025 01:13 PM (npFr7)

288 What's good for the Michigoose is good for the Michigander.

Posted by: words to live by at December 10, 2025 01:13 PM (CUcQs)

289 Beef is ridiculous. This is why I have a freezer full of elk steaks, stew meat and burger. Same for venison. Just step out the back door onto the patio and BLAM! Tasty.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 10, 2025 01:13 PM (1zOXE)

290 Oh, and something like 65 cents of current gas prices in CA are due to a *voter-approved* tax hike that took effect in July
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It was 59 cents prior to the voters stupidly asserting "We'd all like to pay more."

Posted by: Crusader at December 10, 2025 01:13 PM (TN0g+)

291 Hmm. Its as if some all knowing, all powerful, benevolent being created a systematic way to sustain humanity. PREPOSTEROUS!!!!!! ITS FERMENTED DINOSAURS I TELL YOU!!!!
Posted by: Regular American

If hydrocarbons come from dinosaurs, someone needs to explain the oceans of liquid natural gas on the moon Titan.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:14 PM (eOfr8)

292 Macron was just begging Xi to buy more French goods to forestall a collapse of the French economy. I'm not sure how many more escargot China can take, though.

I hear China has a mime shortage.

And kidneys and other vital organs.

Totally Unrelated Thought: Isn't France awash in illegal aliens?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 10, 2025 01:14 PM (NzX/y)

293 It was 59 cents prior to the voters stupidly asserting "We'd all like to pay more."
Posted by: Crusader at December 10, 2025 01:13 PM (TN0g+)

Some of us didn't

Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2025 01:14 PM (VE6XX)

294 Hard to get financing to drill a well, if the expectation is that it will be a dry hole.

You are, how do you say, telling me!

Posted by: The Paolo at December 10, 2025 01:14 PM (2ocoG)

295 Also the beautiful and charming Rep. Haley Stevens.

https://is.gd/M6C63Z

I'm definitely switching to her for advice on my health.

Posted by: t-bird at December 10, 2025 01:14 PM (0ZmKh)

296 Just filled up at $2.19 a gallon in Fort Smith.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 10, 2025 01:14 PM (gm9Sb)

297
If hydrocarbons come from dinosaurs, someone needs to explain the oceans of liquid natural gas on the moon Titan.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:14 PM

But they can REALLY predict the future climate patterns, yo.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:15 PM (Zz0t1)

298 By the end of Trump's first term, America was a gross exporter of oil and energy independent. This had been a stated bipartisan goal of America for generations. On Day One of his term, Biden terminated all domestic oil and gas lease activities and ended the Keystone pipeline.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 10, 2025 01:15 PM (WHfpM)

299 Drought is the reason for high beef prices. And it would affect bison too. Some areas did get rain this year and will be in better shape. My area is still considered in a drought. Probably close to two years to bring cattle to market.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 10, 2025 01:15 PM (+mUZM)

300 Deer down here are unimpressive. Small, lean, not like the fat Behemoths found up north, the grain fed ones.

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2025 01:15 PM (pDt9x)

301
I'm not. We lease our land to a neighbor who runs cows on five or six different properties. He has one bull and about twenty cows. These cows will drop all winter long. He scoops up the calves after weaning and puts them on a different property until they ho to market.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 01:11 PM (+Oyis)

Deja vu, you've told me this before. That's cool you get to see everything and have none of the responsibilities.
Cows don't know it's Sunday.

Posted by: Caligirl at December 10, 2025 01:15 PM (gpah0)

302 Posted by: man at December 10, 2025 12:42 PM (XuXeR)

Space Dinosaurs. Dibs on this as a two-word movie pitch.

Posted by: Delurker at December 10, 2025 01:16 PM (xNHSX)

303 >>>Michiganders cannot take another day of his chaos.

The Science is settled, scrunt. Michigoose out front should have told you.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (dK+Kv)

304 My state tacks on $150 registration per year for EVs. Justification being you’re not paying the gas tax. But you’re still buying electricity which has all sorts of state taxes per kilowatt hour. So it’s a neat trick how the state gets to double dip like that.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:45 PM (9iyS+)

EVs are heavier and thus tear up the roads at a faster rate. Hence higher registration fees. To does this for that reason.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (rQwsY)

305 Cows don't know it's Sunday.
Posted by: Caligirl at December 10, 2025 01:15 PM (gpah0)

That's what cracked me up about when GWB changed 'daylight savings' and the farmers were all pissed off about it.

Uh, cows and plants can't tell time.......WTF do they care?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (Zz0t1)

306 Beef is ridiculous. This is why I have a freezer full of elk steaks, stew meat and burger. Same for venison. Just step out the back door onto the patio and BLAM! Tasty.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone
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You probably dont live in Chicago. Or is ELK code for Hobo?

Posted by: Regular American at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (AoMt0)

307 Over time, I became kind of fond of it. We'd always stop there to have lunch when we were going back to see my family in Michigan. Our son seemed to enjoy it. Good memories.
Posted by: Bulg

Some people are entertained by watching an ant hill. Doesn't mean it's a good use of your very limited time on earth.

Posted by: The Breezewood H8er! at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (oftw2)

308 Space Dinosaurs. Dibs on this as a two-word movie pitch.
Posted by: Delurker at December

Planet of Dinosaurs and 65 come to mind.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (MGB5H)

309
$3.33 per gallon this morning in Peoples Republik of Oregon.

It was $3.45 here last week.

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (IifOV)

310 It will take 7 years before we feel the effects of mass deportations so we may as well not do it.

Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (lF28Z)

311 I'm old enough to remember the Houston papers whinging about low gas prices squeezing the industry under Reagan.

Posted by: gKWVE at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (gKWVE)

312 If hydrocarbons come from dinosaurs, someone needs to explain the oceans of liquid natural gas on the moon Titan.

Intergalactic spacefaring dinosaurs. They colonized Titan on their way to Earth.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (3nLb4)

313 >Well, not "across the nation." They're falling in red states while they remain high in Democrat-controlled states like California, Washington, and Hawaii.
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and Colorado
still paying well north of $3

our sodomite governor's bacchanalian lifestyle doesn't come cheap

chicken feathers and gold body paint is at a premium right now

Posted by: Don Black. Message: Remember The Maine! at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (PRDGu)

314 Increase your salt intake.

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2025 01:04 PM (pDt9x)

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Funny.

Wifey has extremely low blood pressure -- always has -- and intentionally increases her salt intake to try and raise it.

[BTW, when I purchased our platinum wedding rings in 2004 they were about $500 each. When I bought my new replacement ring last year it was over $3,000.]

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 01:18 PM (R9fRY)

315 . On Day One of his term, Biden terminated all domestic oil and gas lease activities and ended the Keystone pipeline.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 10, 2025 01:15 PM (WHfpM)

And begged Iran and Venezuela to pump more oil.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 10, 2025 01:18 PM (rQwsY)

316 You probably dont live in Chicago. Or is ELK code for Hobo?
Posted by: Regular American at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (AoMt0)

Long elk.

Posted by: pelts for sale at December 10, 2025 01:18 PM (CUcQs)

317 No one knows how to turn low propensity voters into high propensity voters. It's just a learned habit. Concentrated and proven effective GOTV efforts can help at the margins, but ultimately, most people in Miami probably had no idea there was even an election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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GOP has to make direct contact with individuals. The science is there (see Alan Gerber's and Donald Green's field work experiments in 2000's on goosing turnout) but robocalls, junk mail fliers, etc. don't cut it.

It also means embracing early vote banking by the GOP. Trump made a switch from 2020 and suddenly promoted it heavily in 2024. Voting only on election day gives too much chance for Dem mischief like in Maricopa County AZ in 2022 or Bucks County in PA this year (retention elections for PA Sup. Ct).

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:18 PM (WDjG6)

318
I'm hearing Arizona, New Mexico & Nevada are going to be going through gas shortages as they get their gas from California.

Horse and buggy days are right around the corner.

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 10, 2025 01:18 PM (IifOV)

319 It will take 7 years before we feel the effects of mass deportations so we may as well not do it.
Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (lF28Z)

My favorite argument.

"It will take years and billions of dollars to deport all the illegals."

"Oh, so we should just leave them the f*ck alone to sap all our resources all while the border STILL isn't shut? Are you retarded?"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:19 PM (Zz0t1)

320 Is coal abiotic?? Do not think so, but there is no relationship between coal and oil?

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2025 01:19 PM (pDt9x)

321 I can get $4.25 here in L.A.

Which is actually pretty good considering the Dems have us scheduled to go to $8.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at December 10, 2025 01:19 PM (asXVI)

322 Deja vu, you've told me this before. That's cool you get to see everything and have none of the responsibilities.
Cows don't know it's Sunday.
Posted by: Caligirl

I'm sure at some point it's going to change and then I'll have to get a starter herd and line up feed. But we'll have to do it to keep the ag valuation.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 01:19 PM (+Oyis)

323 Michigoose!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at December 10, 2025 01:19 PM (lF28Z)

324 Intergalactic spacefaring dinosaurs. They colonized Titan on their way to Earth.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Do not land on this planet. All others are yours.
Seems Arthur Clarke, though a pedo, anticipated your theory.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (WDjG6)

325 295 Also the beautiful and charming Rep. Haley Stevens.

https://is.gd/M6C63Z

I'm definitely switching to her for advice on my health.
Posted by: t-bird at December 10, 2025 01:14 PM (0ZmKh)

She’s campaigning for common sense fork control?

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (rQwsY)

326 Macron was just begging Xi to buy more French goods to forestall a collapse of the French economy. I'm not sure how many more escargot China can take, though.

I hear China has a mime shortage.

And kidneys and other vital organs.

Totally Unrelated Thought: Isn't France awash in illegal aliens?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 10, 2025 01:14 PM (NzX/y)

Does China really need shitty, pretentious cuisine and backstabbing foreign policy?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (Da1lH)

327 our sodomite governor's bacchanalian lifestyle doesn't come cheap

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I always thought the Las Vegas casino card game for high rollers, Baccarat, should have been called Bacchanalia.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (R9fRY)

328 312 If hydrocarbons come from dinosaurs, someone needs to explain the oceans of liquid natural gas on the moon Titan.

Intergalactic spacefaring dinosaurs. They colonized Titan on their way to Earth.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (3nLb4)

This.

Get scienced, bruv.

Posted by: i love science at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (CUcQs)

329
It's not like mass deportations is the solution to most of our economic problems, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

We can't deport our way out of the immigration crisis! Or incarcerate our way out of violent crime!

Posted by: Some retarded Democrat leader at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (TbWk/)

330 state tacks on $150 registration per year for EVs. Justification being you’re not paying the gas tax. But you’re still buying electricity which has all sorts of state taxes per kilowatt hour. So it’s a neat trick how the state gets to double dip like that.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

Probably because electricity taxes don't go towards road upkeep.
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56 cents a gallon. 12 gallon a week. 52 weeks a year. 349.44 for gas taxes. 150 a year you still got off cheap.

Posted by: Regular American at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (AoMt0)

331 "Oil output in New Mexico, the second-largest oil-producing state, hit a record 2.351 million bpd, while output from the federal offshore gulf region rose to 1.983 million bpd in September, the highest since February 2020."

Meanwhile, the delusional New Mexico Communists are still pushing their mandate that 43% of all new cars sold in New Mexico will be EVs in 2026 and 82% in 2031. They are so cute when they are hallucinating.

https://archive.ph/pnFGu

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (uv8gn)

332 Newscum

Hope his political career is in ashes after California fires. He'd make a disastrous president.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (fDGxj)

333 Cows don't know it's Sunday.
Posted by: Caligirl

Did someone say sundae???

Posted by: Lena Dunham at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (lF28Z)

334 320 Is coal abiotic?? Do not think so, but there is no relationship between coal and oil?
Posted by: tubal
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Nope, you can actually see plant fossils in some coal. But ask AOP to be sure.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (WDjG6)

335 Highly dependent on locale. Some states have relatively low property but higher sales taxes with no income tax, TN for example. Texas seems to have high sales tax coupled with higher than average property tax rates depending on locale (TX is a big state). Others, like Florida, have no income tax, spiking property values, favorable sales tax, but you spend a lot on insurance for homes.

Some mags track this stuff but always do your own homework and tax planning prior to a move on your individual situation.
Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:05 PM (WDjG6)

I constantly tell this to a friend of mine who lives in Connecticut. My property taxes are 10K. His property taxes are around 5K for a house a 1/3 the size of mine, so he thinks he's doing good. Ah, but the luxury taxes he pays in connecticut cost him at least $1500 per car per year if its a newer car, and around $500 per year if its an old POS. He has 4 cars. I tell him you're not saving much, and you get to live in a shoe box for that privilege.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (snZF9)

336 We can't deport our way out of the immigration crisis! Or incarcerate our way out of violent crime!
Posted by: Some retarded Democrat

Ok, let's just kill em then.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 10, 2025 01:21 PM (MGB5H)

337 "In the end it all balances out. Which is why I’m saying paying $4.50 an extra gas in Seattle but having no income tax and somewhat higher property taxes vs a place with 2.50 gas, is a wash."

No, it isn't. Because the commies on the West Coast tax and regulate everything. I pay sales tax and some state tax in KS. It's still cheaper cost of living than WA state.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 10, 2025 01:21 PM (+mUZM)

338 Intergalactic spacefaring dinosaurs. They colonized Titan on their way to Earth.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 10, 2025 01:17 PM (3nLb4)

This.

Get scienced, bruv.
Posted by: i love science at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (CUcQs)

Pterodactyls could fly, yo.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:21 PM (Zz0t1)

339 She's got big tits, so there's that.........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:12 PM (Zz0t1)

Yeah but there is a reason for that.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 10, 2025 01:21 PM (rQwsY)

340 Do not land on this planet. All others are yours.
Seems Arthur Clarke, though a pedo, anticipated your theory.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (WDjG6)

Every planet we reach is dead.

Posted by: Gorillaz at December 10, 2025 01:22 PM (dK+Kv)

341
When the US finally takes over Venezuela's Citgo the prices should get better.

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 10, 2025 01:22 PM (IifOV)

342 332 Newscum

Hope his political career is in ashes after California fires. He'd make a disastrous president.
Posted by: Commissar
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Polling, of course pro Dem leaning, indicates he got a big increase from his gerrymander crap-fighting Orangeman bad. Californians are suffering a massive decline in their living under Democrats yet are more interested in fighting Orange Man Bad.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:22 PM (WDjG6)

343 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2025 12:32 PM (x0n13)

JJ, if you're still here, I just sent you a link for a possible Morning Report story.

Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:22 PM (77rzZ)

344 Food companies raised prices and shrunk packages during COVID. They built hide margins and those companies became so lucrative there was international consolidation. They don’t want to give up those margins, just like Democrats don’t want to give up Obamacare Covid subsidies.

Food companies suck ass.

Posted by: Vengeance at December 10, 2025 01:22 PM (60OBK)

345 Long elk.

Posted by: pelts for sale at December 10, 2025 01:18 PM (CUcQs)

Cross elk.

Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 01:22 PM (lF28Z)

346 Need to start taxing sanctuary states for the extra costs for law enforcement. Seems fair, no?

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 10, 2025 01:22 PM (wBaIH)

347 Think how much more oil we'd have if the Aliens hadn't eaten all the dinosaurs.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (v0R5T)

348 299 Drought is the reason for high beef prices. And it would affect bison too. Some areas did get rain this year and will be in better shape. My area is still considered in a drought. Probably close to two years to bring cattle to market.

Big Rain strikes again.

Posted by: Oh noes ! at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (HcoTw)

349 You probably dont live in Chicago. Or is ELK code for Hobo?
Posted by: Regular American

Long elk.
Posted by: pelts for sale

Sniper hide across the Elk's Club parking lot.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (+Oyis)

350
Did someone say sundae???

Posted by: Lena Dunham at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (lF28Z)

No, but they DID say cow.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (Zz0t1)

351 Tuition for a good school in my area is $15kish a year. If you save $1k in mortgage with a cheaper house and lower property tax it works out. For one kid anyway.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (9iyS+)

Not to mention that your kid will get a better education, and is less likely to get shivved.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (npFr7)

352
It also means embracing early vote banking by the GOP. Trump made a switch from 2020 and suddenly promoted it heavily in 2024. Voting only on election day gives too much chance for Dem mischief like in Maricopa County AZ in 2022 or Bucks County in PA this year (retention elections for PA Sup. Ct).
Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:18 PM (WDjG6)

Even putting aside the raid aspect, it I toruces extra risk. What if you get sick on ED? Or it’s bad weather? Or something comes up at work and you can’t leave early? All sorts of things like that happen and keep a certain % of people who want to vote away.

Just vote early. Get it done and this risk is eliminated.

Ideally yes, everyone should vote on the same day. But that horse left the barn long ago. We either embrace the new reality or give the advantage to the left.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (9iyS+)

353 No, it isn't. Because the commies on the West Coast tax and regulate everything. I pay sales tax and some state tax in KS. It's still cheaper cost of living than WA state.
----

Yeah, that was a strange "I love paying $4.50 for gas, because I'm sure we're not like that on OTHER commodities" argument.

Posted by: Crusader at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (TN0g+)

354 Cross elk.
Posted by: ...

You know the people who are into CrossElk, because they never shut up about it.

Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (77rzZ)

355
Yeah but there is a reason for that.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 10, 2025 01:21 PM (rQwsY)

They distracted me from her face. Cut me some slack.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:24 PM (Zz0t1)

356 My favorite argument.

"It will take years and billions of dollars to deport all the illegals."

Turns out all you needed was a different President. Many of his loyalists are running for governor this cycle, so there's the possibility of cutting off state funding and state cover, too.

Posted by: t-bird at December 10, 2025 01:24 PM (0ZmKh)

357 Does China really need shitty, pretentious cuisine and backstabbing foreign policy?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (Da1lH)

------------

MOAR Sunni Muslims ("Uyghurs" in French?) FTW!

/I denounce myself ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 10, 2025 01:24 PM (R9fRY)

358

Hank Johnson: America Under the Trump Regime Is ‘The Great Satan’

https://t.ly/4kQ-a

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 10, 2025 01:24 PM (pkeXY)

359 Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (77rzZ)

LOL

Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 01:24 PM (lF28Z)

360 Those fields contain major Exxon holdings including wells that produce for $27/barrel give or take. They are among the cheapest producing wells Exxon has and the most profitable.

I did not know that.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2025 01:09 PM (Riz8t)

Don't kid yourself, it was Barzini all along. The Chinese were pushing it, I'd bet, acquiring some much needed resources for the sinosphere. And, Trump the Wise and Benevolent does exactly what a strategic thinking leader does and denies his enemies the resources to threaten us.

It's getting to where I actually trust Trump without reading the fine print.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 10, 2025 01:24 PM (pIfcn)

361 We can't deport our way out of the immigration crisis! Or incarcerate our way out of violent crime!
Posted by: Some retarded Democrat leader

Read that 1400 people are responsible for 88% of Chicago crime. If you lock them up, it would be a huge boon to the city, and maybe keep ladies from being torched on the El. We can't have that, though.

Posted by: Lock Them Up! at December 10, 2025 01:25 PM (oftw2)

362 I constantly tell this to a friend of mine who lives in Connecticut. My property taxes are 10K. His property taxes are around 5K for a house a 1/3 the size of mine, so he thinks he's doing good. Ah, but the luxury taxes he pays in connecticut cost him at least $1500 per car per year if its a newer car, and around $500 per year if its an old POS. He has 4 cars. I tell him you're not saving much, and you get to live in a shoe box for that privilege.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
========
Most people are not economists nor accountants. I learned both from my college degree and early employment. My economics degree was from the business school and I had a lot of other business classes like marketing, accounting, management, labor law.

That is before I chucked that life away at 30 and went in another direction from grad school into another field for academia.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:25 PM (WDjG6)

363 Pterodactyls could fly, yo.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer

Dude, pterodactiles become aviation fuel.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 10, 2025 01:25 PM (L/fGl)

364 Not sure about the tradeoff between lower mortgage/property tax and private school tuition. These kids are very conservative and from BIG, conservative families. Unlikely they will have fewer than 3 children. It might work with young people who do not intend to have big families.

Posted by: Brunnhilde at December 10, 2025 01:26 PM (3AwA+)

365
In fact, over half of Texas state expenditures is wasted on that fraud known as Public Education.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (BvPIe)

We need more money.

Posted by: Texas Association of School Boards at December 10, 2025 01:26 PM (rQwsY)

366 361 Read that 1400 people are responsible for 88% of Chicago crime. If you lock them up, it would be a huge boon to the city, and maybe keep ladies from being torched on the El. We can't have that, though.

Posted by: Lock Them Up! at December 10, 2025 01:25 PM (oftw2)

=======

Probably not because Chicago's city hall is owned, in tandem, by the teachers' unions and the gangs of the city.

Not at all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 10, 2025 01:26 PM (GBKbO)

367 NM is our second largest oil producing state, yet they have gas shortages? What are they Iran? Will they soon be enriching uranium?

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 10, 2025 01:26 PM (wBaIH)

368 Haley Stevens is running for senator. This is performance politics

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 10, 2025 01:27 PM (D+mpw)

369 Horse and buggy days are right around the corner.
Posted by: Frank Barone
......

Watch out for the bicycles.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2025 01:27 PM (v0R5T)

370 Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (77rzZ)

I don't know why but that's gonna have me going the rest of the day.

Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 01:27 PM (lF28Z)

371
In fact, over half of Texas state expenditures is wasted on that fraud known as Public Education.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 10, 2025 12:59 PM (BvPIe)

After I lie to voters about how conservative I am I’ll help the schools get even more money. The schools can’t have enough. And if the taxpayers complain? Fuck em.

Posted by: State Rep Ken King at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (rQwsY)

372 Good. Hope prices start to fall in WA state soon

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (xcxpd)

373 I don't know why but that's gonna have me going the rest of the day.
Posted by: ...

I help where I can.

*Writes royalty check to Sponge*

Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (77rzZ)

374 Ah, but the luxury taxes he pays in connecticut cost him at least $1500 per car per year if its a newer car, and around $500 per year if its an old POS. He has 4 cars. I tell him you're not saving much, and you get to live in a shoe box for that privilege.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 10, 2025 01:20 PM (snZF9)

=====

It's been 30 years since I lived in CT and I totally forgot about that tax.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (DRSnL)

375 Horse and buggy days are right around the corner.
Posted by: Frank Barone
......

Watch out for the bicycles.
Posted by: wth at December 10, 2025 01:27 PM (v0R5T)

Welcome to the party, pal.

Posted by: The Amish at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (Zz0t1)

376
Watch out for the bicycles.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2025 01:27 PM

Here in Portland it's bike city. Might as well be Beijing. The rainy weather & winter does diminish it quite a bit though.

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (IifOV)

377 Here in the Natural State, gas is cheap, electric cheap, rent is low. They nail you with personal property tax on cars and real estate (I'm exempt as a disabled vet), there's sales tax on groceries (Our great governor Sarah is pushing to get rid of that) and some municipalities kind of dream up little additional taxes. Saying that, this place is pretty much dirt cheap to live in and they still provide adequate government services.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (gm9Sb)

378 and congrats to Sponge

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (xcxpd)

379
*Writes royalty check to Sponge*
Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (77rzZ)

*fistbump*

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (Zz0t1)

380 Does the criminal media ever get tired of quoting experts who are always wrong?

Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (8CIFn)

381 Do the Amish ride bicycles?

Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (77rzZ)

382 And gas is $2.53 here. Folks sometimes forget that the people had the bottom are getting about the same wages per hour. But it's the little things, like cost of housing, food, and fuel that make a different in their lifestyle.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 10, 2025 01:29 PM (+mUZM)

383 and congrats to Sponge

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (xcxpd)

Woot!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:29 PM (Zz0t1)

384 Earlier this year, the Trump administration proposed repealing the BLM conservation lease rule that put "conservation" on the same footing as grazing, minerals, and forestry. AFAIK, the Biden rule is still in force. I hope the repeal process is successful.

Posted by: mrp at December 10, 2025 01:29 PM (rj6Yv)

385 Does NM refine oil? Because without refineries you can pump all the oil you want, but depend on another state for gasoline.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:29 PM (9iyS+)

386 Lower gas prices are good, but diesel is still way too high.

I remember at one point (maybe 2022?) it was almost $5.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 10, 2025 01:29 PM (w6EFb)

387
Hank Johnson: America Under the Trump Regime Is ‘The Great Satan’

https://t.ly/4kQ-a
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 10, 2025 01:24 PM (pkeXY)

We agree.

Posted by: AoS Isolationists and Code Pinkers at December 10, 2025 01:29 PM (rQwsY)

388 381 Yes.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (gm9Sb)

389 Do the Amish ride bicycles?
Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (77rzZ)

https://is.gd/4ay1mV

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)

390 Does the criminal media ever get tired of quoting experts who are always wrong?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (8CIFn)

Experts say we should always listen to experts

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (9iyS+)

391 Those fields contain major Exxon holdings including wells that produce for $27/barrel give or take. They are among the cheapest producing wells Exxon has and the most profitable.

Posted by: Bilwis

Venezuelan oil is cheap to produce, but more expensive to refine, since it is so sour. In fact, outside of the US gulf, I think only Curacao has the ability to refine it properly. West Texas breakeven is now around $30, so it competes.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (0U5gm)

392 They are looking at SCHOOL DISTRICTS. And the good school districts apparently are in high demand and push up house prices that would be much lower if they looked in the outer counties and were content to send their kids to lower performing county schools.
Posted by: Brunnhilde at December 10, 2025 12:43 PM (3AwA+)

Are you suggesting that location matters in real estate? I wonder if anyone has ever considered this before?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (ExV1e)

393 381 Do the Amish ride bicycles?

No. But they drive tractors now. When did that happen?

Posted by: Oh noes ! at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (HcoTw)

394 Do the Amish ride bicycles?
Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (77rzZ)

No bicycles in the 18th century, so I'd guess not.

Posted by: mrp at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (rj6Yv)

395 "The price of gas, look at this! A 3.5 year LOW at $2.95 a gallon as of today!"

"That is MILES away from the all-time [Biden] high set in 2022 of $5 per gallon."

And that $5/gal cost in June of 2022 was about a $2/gal rise from just the previous year when it was around $3/gal in June of 2021.

A 67% increase in just one year.

It also jumped from $4/gal in February 2022 to $5/gal in June 2022. 25% increase in 4 months.

Lowest it has been over past 10 years was June 2017 when it was around $2.30/gal.

During the entire Trump 45 Administration, gasoline never rose above $3.00/gal average nationally.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (P5BPp)

396 Do the Amish ride bicycles?
Posted by: Bulg
......

Mostly the Chinese ones.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (v0R5T)

397 351 Tuition for a good school in my area is $15kish a year. If you save $1k in mortgage with a cheaper house and lower property tax it works out. For one kid anyway.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (9iyS+)

Not to mention that your kid will get a better education, and is less likely to get shivved.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2025 01:23 PM (npFr7)

Might still get transed though.

Posted by: Eternal vigilance the price of keeping your kids genitals intact at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (TbWk/)

398 After I lie to voters about how conservative I am I’ll help the schools get even more money. The schools can’t have enough. And if the taxpayers complain? Fuck em.

When I went to school student:teacher = 30:1, now in texas it is 15:1

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 10, 2025 01:31 PM (kHd4y)

399 One approach to assessing how expensive state governments are - find how much they spend and divide it by the number of taxpayers.

Government loves hidden taxes, but almost all of the dollars they spend come from taxes so just use this way to find out how much they are taxing.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 10, 2025 01:31 PM (sKqQm)

400 Venezuelan oil is cheap to produce, but more expensive to refine, since it is so sour.

So it came from
Dino-sours ?

Posted by: Oh noes ! at December 10, 2025 01:32 PM (HcoTw)

401 The hardest job in the world is being an expert.

Posted by: Cray Cray at December 10, 2025 01:32 PM (irs4S)

402 Posted by: AoS Isolationists and Code Pinkers at December 10, 2025 01:29 PM (rQwsY)

You're never gonna make "fetch" happen.

Posted by: axe grinding for tards at December 10, 2025 01:32 PM (+wm2t)

403 Lower gas prices are good, but diesel is still way too high.

I remember at one point (maybe 2022?) it was almost $5.

Posted by: Miley,

Red diesel is cheap, but green diesel is expensive. The compounds that are required to be added to green make it more expensive.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:32 PM (0U5gm)

404 CT also taxes Social Security benefits. Take that gimme grandpas! Hey! Where are you going?

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 10, 2025 01:32 PM (wBaIH)

405 I'll take "what's the law of supply and demand" for $2.00 Alex.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 10, 2025 01:32 PM (vdK61)

406 Is it possible that oil could be both biotic and abiotic? Or is that just Splitter talk?
Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2025 01:09 PM (pDt9x)

Quite possibly. But it sure looks like the accessible oil and gas on Planet Earth are mainly of biotic origin.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2025 01:33 PM (npFr7)

407 Do the Amish ride bicycles?
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Mostly the Chinese ones.

Chinese Amish or Chinese bicycles?

Posted by: Oddbob at December 10, 2025 01:33 PM (3nLb4)

408 Read that 1400 people are responsible for 88% of Chicago crime. If you lock them up, it would be a huge boon to the city, and maybe keep ladies from being torched on the El. We can't have that, though.
Posted by: Lock Them Up!

========
Sad thing is that Univ of Chicago, as a relic of Edward C. Banfield's Public Admin work, used to do a lot of in depth research of Chi town. In the 90's, they blew up where pols contention where criminals there got their guns--straw buyers like gangster girlfriends and stolen were the premier choices. Almost none of them bought them in gunstores under their own name.

Same with the 1500 causing about 90 percent of crime. You won't also see later studies indicating that in urban areas, both murderers and their victims both shared criminal records and knew of each other. Depending on the city, this accounted for anywhere above 50-80 percent of solved murders in urban areas--often the common denominator was drug sales, gang membership.

Murderers by and large don't snap like Cain and Abel story. Most build up to the act by a steady increase in violent offenses, charged and uncharged over time before they kill someone.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:33 PM (WDjG6)

409 Speaking of experts, it's been a while since Ace ridiculed that fat expert guy, whose name escapes me.

Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at December 10, 2025 01:33 PM (8CIFn)

410 Red diesel is cheap, but green diesel is expensive. The compounds that are required to be added to green make it more expensive.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:32 PM (0U5gm)

At least in Texas, red diesel is banned from highway use.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:33 PM (Zz0t1)

411 “Good schools” really means mostly white schools. It’s how AWFLs can justify being segregationists to themselves.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:33 PM (9iyS+)

412
Venezuelan oil is cheap to produce, but more expensive to refine, since it is so sour.

Just add sugar.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 10, 2025 01:34 PM (pkeXY)

413 409 Speaking of experts, it's been a while since Ace ridiculed that fat expert guy, whose name escapes me.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at December 10, 2025 01:33 PM (8CIFn)

Tom Nichols, Ol' Pepperoni Nipples himself?

Posted by: That fat expert guy? at December 10, 2025 01:34 PM (TbWk/)

414 So it came from
Dino-sours ?
Posted by: Oh noes !

Sweet and sour dinosaur!. Sweet produce sweet crude and sour dinosaurs yield sour crude.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:34 PM (WDjG6)

415 Read that 1400 people are responsible for 88% of Chicago crime. If you lock them up, it would be a huge boon to the city, and maybe keep ladies from being torched on the El. We can't have that, though.

And those 1400, and their ilk elsewhere, are some of the top clients Dem politicians have

Because remember, the Dems aren't soft on crime - they are the political wing of the cartels - Mexican and domestic.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 10, 2025 01:35 PM (sKqQm)

416 The hardest job in the world is being an expert.

Pfffft.

Posted by: TV Weather Guy at December 10, 2025 01:35 PM (3nLb4)

417 As I am not related to the Amish by a marriage, I can say that most Amish are not completely anti-tech. They just weight every technological advance for advantage and disadvantage. If they can do without, they do without.

Tractors make farming easier, so they own tractors. Cars are another story.

Also Amish often asshole.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2025 01:35 PM (xcxpd)

418 Quite possibly. But it sure looks like the accessible oil and gas on Planet Earth are mainly of biotic origin.

Because when a dinosaur died, the survivors made sure to dig down two miles into the earth to bury their fallen comrade.

Then they discovered the Gulf of America and buried their dead at least a mile under the sea floor that too was a mile or two below the surface.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 10, 2025 01:35 PM (kHd4y)

419 Hey!
A Shit Tax!
Great idea!
And it'll be 'for the children.'

Posted by: Diogenes at

Is it on volume, weight, frequency?
Posted by: BruceWayne at December 10, 2025 12:56 PM (MGB5H)

***

Probably all three.
The assholes in Olympia will tax you if you collect rainwater.
I hate those fu*kers.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2025 01:35 PM (iKI3U)

420 *joining in late*

Lower gas prices? More supply?

What a stroke of luck!!!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 10, 2025 01:35 PM (wVcYX)

421 The hardest job in the world is being an expert.
Posted by: Cray Cray

ex-perts -- (n., pl.) Nancy Pelosi's breasts

Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:35 PM (77rzZ)

422 What if we just invade the coasts of Venezuela and take over all their oil mining?

I know it's horrible oil, thick, etc, but if we owned it, I'm sure some refineries would switch over.

Posted by: SimoHayek at December 10, 2025 01:35 PM (0Aoc4)

423 Gander is in Newfoundland!

Posted by: You Hosers! at December 10, 2025 01:35 PM (w9Wax)

424 So it came from
Dino-sours ?

If that's not already a name for a brand of gummy candy, someone is missing an opportunity.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 10, 2025 01:36 PM (3nLb4)

425 I’ve heard that a lot of Amish have cell phones and other tech on the DL.

Especially the younger ones.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:36 PM (9iyS+)

426 411 “Good schools” really means mostly white schools. It’s how AWFLs can justify being segregationists to themselves.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:33 PM (9iyS+)

They love fucking the colored help but don't want to live next door to them.

Posted by: Seems to be a historical theme with Democrats at December 10, 2025 01:36 PM (TbWk/)

427 Just watched a YT Short with food offerings at the Cologne Christmas market. One vendor was making and selling potato chips with a drizzle of truffle oil and grated Parmesan cheese.

Posted by: mrp at December 10, 2025 01:36 PM (rj6Yv)

428 NEW YORK — A federal judge in New York on Wednesday ordered the release of Jeffrey Epstein documents related to a 2019 sex trafficking case.

In July, US Attorney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche filed a motion asking a federal court to release grand jury transcripts associated with the Epstein cases.

ORLANDO — A federal judge in Florida on Friday ordered the release of grand jury transcripts from the federal sex trafficking cases of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

Posted by: SMOD at December 10, 2025 01:36 PM (RHGPo)

429 “Good schools” really means mostly white schools. It’s how AWFLs can justify being segregationists to themselves.

There is almost no correlation between spending and any measurable education success metrics.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 10, 2025 01:36 PM (sKqQm)

430 At least in Texas, red diesel is banned from highway use.

Posted by: Sponge

It is banned for highway use everywhere. The point is that it is the additives that keep green diesel prices high.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:36 PM (0U5gm)

431
Venezuelan oil is cheap to produce, but more expensive to refine, since it is so sour. In fact, outside of the US gulf, I think only Curacao has the ability to refine it properly. West Texas breakeven is now around $30, so it competes.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (0U5gm)

The Guyana fields produce medium grade. I think that's different than the Venezuelan stuff, but we are now passing my due diligence as a former Exxon shareholder. So don't quote me on that part. I was derailed by Exxon getting Board members who wanted to end fossil fuels. That spooked me.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 10, 2025 01:37 PM (pIfcn)

432 Sweet and sour dinosaur!.

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:34 PM

With #4 you get egg rolls.

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 10, 2025 01:37 PM (IifOV)

433 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 10, 2025 01:37 PM (Zz0t1)

434 Also Amish often asshole.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,

I hear they treat their horses terribly.

Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:37 PM (77rzZ)

435 DoorDash delivery girl who filmed a drunk man passed out with his pants down makes her first court appearance

She pleaded not guilty & asked the judge to ban cameras in the courtroom the judge responded saying

“So now u don’t want cameras to be involved”

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2025 01:37 PM (+Oyis)

436 Did someone tell me the dinosaur theory wrt petroleum is bs? Because I would 100% subscribe.
-------------------
The difficult part is explaining how all the dead dinosaurs found themselves below geologic plates. Maybe the pancake theorem works?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 10, 2025 12:35 PM (Wg6v7)

Ocean geologic plates are pretty young and the continents float on them and they are driven under and down beneath the continents all the time in subduction areas like our west coast. In fact recent findings is that pretty much all such plates are still in the mantle beneath the continents, bent like ribbons not having melted completely. In the Atlantic continental drift was confirmed by dating the sea floor and showing the ages uniformly get new near the mid atlantic ridge and and age as they approach the NA and EU/Africa coasts.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 10, 2025 01:37 PM (8avO+)

437 410 Last job I worked, the Superintendent would top off his truck with red, from the tank used for equipment. Pretty much the same stuff without the tax. I imagine agencies check semis but he had no problem with the pickup.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 10, 2025 01:37 PM (gm9Sb)

438
Roughly $2.40/ gal around me.

Cheaper elsewhere in DFW.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 10, 2025 01:38 PM (iJfKG)

439 Do the Amish ride bicycles?
Posted by: Bulg

https://is.gd/4ay1mV
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
......

Now all they need is some bright spandex outfits.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2025 01:38 PM (v0R5T)

440 19 Did someone tell me the dinosaur theory wrt petroleum is bs? Because I would 100% subscribe.

Posted by: ... at December 10, 2025 12:32 PM (lF28Z)

The predominant explanation for crude oil deposits among geologists and biologists: Crude oil results from bazillions of dead ocean micro-organisms. Accumulating on the sea floor over eons. Their mass alone begins to compress their remains, and often sea floor areas with concentrations of them are silted over and/or compressed under an over-thrusting continental plate. Whatever the mechanism for compressing the dead organisms, in some areas the pressure is enough to cause the organic remains to compress enough to form an organic substance called kerogen. Further compression over a long enough period converts kerogen to crude oil.

Geologically it holds up. Vast areas of the western United States were covered by seas in stages between the breakup of the Pangea supercontinent and relatively recently time, in the geologic timescale. The same with the Arabian/Iranian areas, etc. Salt domes are often over oil deposits; the salt is from many many years of seas drying-up as climate and geology shifted over eons.

Posted by: Gref at December 10, 2025 01:38 PM (5rh/l)

441 There is almost no correlation between spending and any measurable education success metrics.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 10, 2025 01:36 PM (sKqQm)

DC schools spend the most per student,
By far. Like #2 is thousands of dollars less. And they always rank near the bottom in any ranking.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:38 PM (9iyS+)

442 413 409 Speaking of experts, it's been a while since Ace ridiculed that fat expert guy, whose name escapes me.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at December 10, 2025 01:33 PM (8CIFn)

Tom Nichols, Ol' Pepperoni Nipples himself?
Posted by: That fat expert guy?

Some are now blaming Tom for the Dems foray into their unlawful orders fiasco. Seems Tom wrote a column in the Atlantic about it about two weeks before the storm blew in.
"The Civil-Military Crisis Is Here
To capture a democratic nation, authoritarians must control three sources of power: the intelligence agencies, the justice system, and the military. President Donald Trump and his circle of would-be autocrats have made rapid progress toward seizing these institutions and detaching them from the Constitution and rule of law. The intelligence community has effectively been muzzled, and the nation’s top lawyers and cops are being purged and replaced with loyalist hacks.

Only the military remains outside Trump’s grip. Despite the firing of several top officers—and Trump’s threat to fire more—the U.S. armed forces are still led by generals and admirals whose oath is to the Constitution, not the commander in chief"

Posted by: whig at December 10, 2025 01:38 PM (WDjG6)

443 Venezuelan oil is cheap to produce, but more expensive to refine, since it is so sour. In fact, outside of the US gulf, I think only Curacao has the ability to refine it properly. West Texas breakeven is now around $30, so it competes.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (0U5gm)

The Guyana fields produce medium grade. I think that's different than the Venezuelan stuff, but we are now passing my due diligence as a former Exxon shareholder. So don't quote me on that part. I was derailed by Exxon getting Board members who wanted to end fossil fuels. That spooked me.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 10, 2025 01:37 PM (pIfcn)

I think I heard Venezuelan is good to mix with Russian for an optimal mix.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 10, 2025 01:38 PM (8avO+)

444 I’ve heard that a lot of Amish have cell phones

Wood burning ones. They're a bitch to surf pron on during the winter.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 10, 2025 01:38 PM (3nLb4)

445 Trump didn't even have to drain the Startegic Petroleum Reserve to make prices go down. WTF? How is that possible?

Posted by: Ripley at December 10, 2025 01:39 PM (PTDkx)

446 Gas prices near me, looking out my window at the BP station, are $3.89, $4.19, and $4.69. Northside of Chicago.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at December 10, 2025 01:39 PM (wGerL)

447 Is coal abiotic?? Do not think so, but there is no relationship between coal and oil?
Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2025 01:19 PM (pDt9x)

Coal is compressed and cooked-up plant matter. Look at coal under a microscope, and the wood grain is obvious. Coal is found in land-based sediments. Oil is found in marine sediments. And marine sediments and terrestrial sediments can stack, because of pate tectonics.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2025 01:41 PM (npFr7)

448 ----Are you suggesting that location matters in real estate? I wonder if anyone has ever considered this before?-------

Actually I was commenting on the oft said here "fact" that young people can't afford houses because they want to start off with the huge houses their older parents now have. I kind of bought into that until Thanksgiving, when I heard what grandnieces and nephews were saying. They were not looking at house sizes.

Posted by: Brunnhilde at December 10, 2025 01:41 PM (3AwA+)

449 There is almost no correlation between spending and any measurable education success metrics.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 10, 2025 01:36 PM (sKqQm)

DC schools spend the most per student,
By far. Like #2 is thousands of dollars less. And they always rank near the bottom in any ranking.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:38 PM (9iyS+)

Followed closely by other disasters like Chicago, LA and so on.

Break up the massive districts and send the money directly to local schools. Break up big city governments as well.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 10, 2025 01:41 PM (8avO+)

450 Dean Martin kept his expert, Professor Irwin Corey, in a cage that he lowered from the ceiling to let him rant occasionally.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 10, 2025 01:42 PM (L/fGl)

451 Actually I was commenting on the oft said here "fact" that young people can't afford houses because they want to start off with the huge houses their older parents now have. I kind of bought into that until Thanksgiving, when I heard what grandnieces and nephews were saying. They were not looking at house sizes.
Posted by: Brunnhilde at December 10, 2025 01:41 PM (3AwA+)

Saw a thing that Elon is making developments for tiny homes where you don't have to buy land, and the houselet is less than 10 grand.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 10, 2025 01:43 PM (8avO+)

452 "You must be on the wrong NOVA side...Fairfax is cheaper and Prince William is WAY cheaper...

$2.79-$2.87 at most Fairfax City stations and stays that way as you branch out - there are "el cheapos" and there are pricier "we don't want to sell gas" places, but the norm all over is under $3 today...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 10, 2025 12:47 PM (tOcjL)

I'm near Crystal City part of NOVA. All the stations around here about the same until you hit outlying areas.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at December 10, 2025 01:44 PM (SOGBX)

453 > Do the Amish ride bicycles?
----

Does a rocking horse have a pine pecker?

Posted by: Don Black. Message: Remember The Maine! at December 10, 2025 01:44 PM (ZxPkt)

454 Geologically it holds up. Vast areas of the western United States were covered by seas in stages between the breakup of the Pangea supercontinent and relatively recently time, in the geologic timescale. The same with the Arabian/Iranian areas, etc. Salt domes are often over oil deposits; the salt is from many many years of seas drying-up as climate and geology shifted over eons.

Posted by: Gref at December 10, 2025 01:38 PM (5rh/l)

For most of the dinosaur epoch there was a continental sea from the Gulf of America to the top of Canada from where the Rockies are now to around the Mississippi.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 10, 2025 01:46 PM (8avO+)

455 “So now u don’t want cameras to be involved”
Posted by: rickb223

I was in court when a judge sentenced a defendant to five years prison. "But your honor," he said, "I can't do five years." "Well," the judge said, "do the best you can."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 10, 2025 01:49 PM (L/fGl)

456 Do the Amish ride bicycles?
Posted by: Bulg at December 10, 2025 01:28 PM (77rzZ)

No bicycles in the 18th century, so I'd guess not.
Posted by: mrp at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (rj6Yv)

I thought Amish tech levels included 19th C Tech.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 10, 2025 01:52 PM (8avO+)

457 It is banned for highway use everywhere. The point is that it is the additives that keep green diesel prices high.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 10, 2025 01:36 PM (0U5gm)

Highway Diesel is the same as off-highway Diesel. The off-highway (farm) Diesel is taxed at a lower rate, and is marked with dye. The dye is there so State inspectors can catch and fine people illegally using "untaxed" (insofar as road taxes are concerned, at least) fuel for driving on the roads. Same thing is done with gasoline, too. Here in Alberta, off-highway gasoline is dyed purple.

The entire rationale behind dyeing fuel is TAX.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2025 01:53 PM (npFr7)

458 “Experts say we should always listen to experts
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:30 PM (9iyS+)“

I don’t know when this cliché “experts say” became popular but whenever anybody uses it, they’re admitting that they have no expertise on the subject

Posted by: Avi at December 10, 2025 01:54 PM (eyGQ/)

459 “ 411 “Good schools” really means mostly white schools. It’s how AWFLs can justify being segregationists to themselves.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 10, 2025 01:33 PM (9iyS+)”

This is one of those truths that everybody knows everyone’s afraid to say like the emperor‘s not wearing clothes. Even most liberals know that.

Posted by: Avi at December 10, 2025 02:02 PM (eyGQ/)

460 "and Colorado still paying well north of $3"

Huh? Earlier this week I paid $1.82 in the Denver area.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at December 10, 2025 02:03 PM (BXUnK)

461 Did you know that we are still giving the Taliban about $45 million dollars per week?

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at December 10, 2025 02:13 PM (V362x)

462 Babe Ruth used a corked bat for his entire career.

Posted by: Barry Bonds - I hit them 73 HRs while totally clean. at December 10, 2025 02:17 PM (uv8gn)

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