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Paramount/Skydance Launches Hostile Takeover Bid for Warner Bros.
For those just joining the story in progress:
David Ellison -- son of the Oracle founder and multibillionaire Larry Ellison, and himself worth millions -- owned Skydance, and then used that company to purchase one of the smaller major studios, Paramount. Then he made a bid to buy Warner Bros. studios from Warner Discovery. That offer was rejected. Then Warner Bros. advertised that it was for sale and would entertain other offers. Netflix made a bid to buy it, and this bid was accepted. By management, I mean. David Ellison still wants Warner Bros. So he's making a hostile takeoever bid. That just means that unlike the Netflix bid which was arranged with the current management of Warner Discovery and has their blessing, this bid is made against current mangement's wishes and so is "hostile" to their intentions. But it's the shareholders who get to decide. Ellison is offering shareholders a competing bid. Ellison's bid is $30 per share, in cash. Neflix's bid is for less cash per sale -- $27 -- but shareholders would also get shares in whatever spin-off corporation they create out of the the parts of Warner Discovery they don't want. Which is I think the "Discovery" part, all the cable channels like The Murder Channel (aka Investigative Discovery or ID). Which is more valuable? I have no idea. Both suitors will make the pitch to shareholders and await the shareholder vote.Paramount Skydance is launching a hostile bid to buy Warner Bros. Discovery after it lost out to Netflix in a monthslong bidding war for the legacy assets, the company said Monday. Paramount will go straight to WBD shareholders with an all-cash, $30 per share offer. That's the same bid WBD rejected last week and equates to an enterprise value of $108.4 billion. The offer is backstopped with equity financing from the Ellison family and the private equity firm RedBird Capital as well as $54 billion in debt commitments from Bank of America, Citi and Apollo Global Management, Paramount said in a news release. A portion of the equity financing comes from outside Middle Eastern financing partners including Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, Abu Dhabi's L'imad Holding Company PJSC, and the Qatar Investment Authority. Another portion derives from Jared Kushner's Affinity Partners. Kushner is U.S. President Donald Trump's son-in-law. Those partners have agreed to "forgo any governance rights," including board seats, as part of their non-voting equity investment, according to a Paramount filing. The modifications allow the deal to be outside of the jurisdiction of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S., or CFIUS. Shares of Paramount gained 9% Monday. Warner Bros. Discovery's shares rose about 4% while Netflix was down 3%. "We're really here to finish what we started," Paramount Skydance CEO David Ellison told CNBC's "Squawk on the Street" on Monday. "We put the company in play."There are antitrust questions about any mergers between tech giants, of course. I think the Netflix bid will face more scrutiny, because while Netflix makes movies, it makes movies for streaming, not for exhibition in physical theaters. Yes, sometimes it exhibits a movie in theaters but only in a small number of theaters and only for a weekend or two before it puts it on Netflix exclusively. (They chiefly show movies in theaters just to meet the minimum requirements for theatrical exhibition to qualify them for the Oscars and such.) So what antitrust lawyers in the government will be looking at is not just the diminution in competition that will occur if one media company swallows up another one, but the real possibility that if Netflix buys Warner Bros. it will use Warner Bros. movie production to make movies for its streaming service, not for theaters. And antitrust lawyers do not like it when a reduction of competition in one industry causes disruptions in another industry. And yes, movie production is a separate industry form movie exhibition. In fact, it was antitrust action by the government that forced this separation -- movie studios used to own their own movie theaters and play their movies in their own theaters. But the government considered this illegal vertical integration and forced the movie companies to sell their theaters to independent owners. I don't think Netflix will be necessarily blocked from buying Warner Bros. A common result in these cases is that the government approves the merger but extracts a promise from the merged company that it will not take certain steps. Like Netflix would agree that it would continue showing Warner Bros. movies in physical theaters. (Though that's hard to police -- Netflix could just move a lot of Warner Bros. production to the Netflix production side of things and just produce few official "Warner Bros."-branded movies.) I think the NFL's monopoly on professional football was allowed only because the NFL agreed to never schedule games on Saturday when college teams were playing, to avoid using the professional football monopoly to damage the college football market. This is a very perilous time for theatrical exhibitors. Hollywood is producing crap movies and consequently exhibitors don't have much product to show that the public is willing to pay for. Any reduction in the number of movies going to physical theaters could, possibly, kill the industry, or cull half of all movie theaters. I don't know what the government will decide. David Ellison is reportedly trying to induce Trump to block the Netflix buyout by promising that if he gets hold of Warner Bros. -- and its failing "news" channel CNN -- he'll remake CNN into a fair and balanced network.
Is that true? No idea. I do know that if you really were making this offer you would want to do it privately, not publicly, with the Wall Street Journal notified. Because the president isn't supposed to approve or nix mergers based on his personal or political self-interest. By making this supposed offer so public, it basically stops Trump from even considering taking the alleged "deal." It could be that Netflix, not Ellison, is pushing this story out there to pressure Trump to approve their own bid. Leftwing movie review Grace Randolf claimed that Warner Discovery shareholders are faced with two repellent options -- accept Netlix's deal and "kill the theater business," or accept Ellison's deal and (horrors!) put two movie studios under the control of a "conservative" man friendly to Trump. The fact that she sees each of these possibilities as equally calamitous is what makes me think it's plausible that members of the left will just lie to stop Ellison from acquiring Warner Bros., and push Fake News stories about Ellison offering to fire Kaitlin Collins if Trump blocks Netflix's bid and approves his own. The left was horrified that Paramount was bought by (horror!) a conservative. It is offended and horrified that the much-bigger Warner Bros. might be purchased by the same conservative man. Any thoughts? Do you buy this very-public offer of bribery to Trump from David Ellison? I don't know about you, but if I were bribing the president, I would probably do it quietly. Through a trusted intermediary. Such as... well, as the article noted, Jared Kushner is part of the group putting up billions to back Ellison's bid. So instead of just quietly telling Kushner to carry that message to his father-in-law, everyone blabs about it to the Wall Street Journal? Seems unlikely to me. Sounds more like political partisans or Netflix executives trying to poison Parmount's pill so that Warner Discovery can't swallow it.
Paramount CEO David Ellison assured Trump officials that if the government OKs his company's acquisition of Warner Bros. Discovery (WBD) he would overhaul the president's media arch nemesis -- CNN. Netflix announced last Friday it reached a deal to acquire Warner and HBO properties for $72 billion - but Paramount immediately launched a hostile counterbid, taking its case directly to shareholders. The Netflix-WBD merger is facing a stiff challenge from Paramount, whose majority shareholder is the billionaire Donald Trump ally, Oracle founder Larry Ellison. On Monday, Paramount made its move, offering $77.9 billion in all-cash and urging Warner shareholders to reject the Netflix deal. On a recent visit to Washington, DC, Ellison's son David told Trump's team he would impose sweeping changes at CNN if he purchased its parent company WBD, sources told the Wall Street Journal. David's father Larry discussed firing hosts like Erin Burnett and Brianna Keilar - figures Trump dislikes - with White House officials during takeover bid talks last month, the Guardian reported.
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Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:25 PM (zjgNU)
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Oh, that's wasn't a first. That was how much I care about this on a scale from 1-10.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:25 PM (zjgNU)
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(Ok, mostly that was snark.)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:26 PM (zjgNU)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:26 PM (Zz0t1)
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Do you buy this very-public offer of bribery to Trump from David Ellison?
I don't know about you, but if I were bribing the president, I would probably do it quietly.
If Trump was bribed he wouldn't be able to keep quiet about it. I like the guy but he couldn't keep anything hush hush.
I don't know about you, but if I were bribing the president, I would probably do it quietly.
If Trump was bribed he wouldn't be able to keep quiet about it. I like the guy but he couldn't keep anything hush hush.
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 09, 2025 02:26 PM (IifOV)
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YAY! Kill all the movies......GREAT idea.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:26 PM (Zz0t1)
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Is there a Pitch Meeting for this?
Posted by: fd at December 09, 2025 02:27 PM (vFG9F)
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But these dinosaurs are only valuable for the intellectual property that they hold.
Intellectual property that should have LONG gone into the public domain.
Government corruption, bought by Disney, is what makes these bloated dinosaurs retain any amount of value.
Intellectual property that should have LONG gone into the public domain.
Government corruption, bought by Disney, is what makes these bloated dinosaurs retain any amount of value.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:27 PM (zjgNU)
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Bidding war.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:27 PM (eEIbO)
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Willowed:
Things will change when The Blade starts as an immigration judge!
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Trump admin just fired a bunch of judges the other day. Problem is that the local office's job ad for filling those judgeships probably has No US Citizens need apply just like above.
Posted by: whig a
Here's the link to apply
https://tinyurl.com/4rwpvhpk
Posted by: BruceWayne
Things will change when The Blade starts as an immigration judge!
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Trump admin just fired a bunch of judges the other day. Problem is that the local office's job ad for filling those judgeships probably has No US Citizens need apply just like above.
Posted by: whig a
Here's the link to apply
https://tinyurl.com/4rwpvhpk
Posted by: BruceWayne
Posted by: BruceWayne at December 09, 2025 02:27 PM (MGB5H)
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>>>There are antitrust questions about any mergers between tech giants, of course.
yeah we pretty much just let big donors, I mean big corporations, do whatever the F@#$ they want these days
yeah we pretty much just let big donors, I mean big corporations, do whatever the F@#$ they want these days
Posted by: Department of Justice - Antitrust Division at December 09, 2025 02:27 PM (jGJov)
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 09, 2025 02:28 PM (iFTx/)
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Fuck Hollywood is the ass with a flaming concertina wire-wrapped pineapple.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 09, 2025 02:28 PM (BRvvM)
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The even bigger question is: Who watches any of this crap?
These companies are all zombie companies, they just don't know it.
These companies are all zombie companies, they just don't know it.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 02:28 PM (XV/Pl)
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I am out of flannel shirts and dessert boots.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:29 PM (eEIbO)
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Bro, it's the 1980s all over again! Break out some hair metal.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Or the Pet Shop Boys
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Or the Pet Shop Boys
Posted by: fabulous at December 09, 2025 02:29 PM (gKWVE)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2025 02:29 PM (looXz)
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"he'll remake CNN into a fair and balanced network."
Is that even possible? It would have to be like the old Headline News channel that only read headline news and nothing else.
MSNOW would probably absorb all the CNN "talent" that would leave butt hurt and demanding "freedom of speech".
Is that even possible? It would have to be like the old Headline News channel that only read headline news and nothing else.
MSNOW would probably absorb all the CNN "talent" that would leave butt hurt and demanding "freedom of speech".
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 09, 2025 02:29 PM (IifOV)
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The offer is backstopped with equity financing from the Ellison family and the private equity firm RedBird Capital as well as $54 billion in debt commitments from Bank of America, Citi and Apollo Global Management, Paramount said in a news release.
A portion of the equity financing comes from outside Middle Eastern financing partners including Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, Abu Dhabi's L'imad Holding Company PJSC, and the Qatar Investment Authority. Another portion derives from Jared Kushner's Affinity Partners. Kushner is U.S. President Donald Trump's son-in-law.
Honestly this concerns me more than the antitrust issues. Private equity is bad enough, foreign private equity is even worse.
A portion of the equity financing comes from outside Middle Eastern financing partners including Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, Abu Dhabi's L'imad Holding Company PJSC, and the Qatar Investment Authority. Another portion derives from Jared Kushner's Affinity Partners. Kushner is U.S. President Donald Trump's son-in-law.
Honestly this concerns me more than the antitrust issues. Private equity is bad enough, foreign private equity is even worse.
Posted by: Oligarchy! Oligarchy everywhere! at December 09, 2025 02:29 PM (TbWk/)
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I'll blast on the movie industry 7 days a week, but that doesn't mean I want them to end in-theatre performances. Certain flicks were just meant to be on a 30 foot screen with volume at ungodly levels. Killing the theatre model isn't a win.
Posted by: Crusader at December 09, 2025 02:30 PM (TN0g+)
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I'm pretty sure we can fix Hollywood overnight.
Make copyright return to its maximum of 56 years.
Not the century it has become.
Make Hollywood subject to competition and open up their intellectual property to ACTUAL creative people.
Imagine, for example, a Star Wars movie by someone who loves it AND is creative.
Make copyright return to its maximum of 56 years.
Not the century it has become.
Make Hollywood subject to competition and open up their intellectual property to ACTUAL creative people.
Imagine, for example, a Star Wars movie by someone who loves it AND is creative.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:30 PM (zjgNU)
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The Movie Theatres are dying like the malls.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:30 PM (eEIbO)
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I think the only way that CNN could be saved would be if it were merged with the WWE. "Oh, and there goes Scott Jennings with a big Bash on Dana Bash with that folding chair! Down she goes, but wait, here comes Mr Potato Head himself, Brian Stelter, tapping in, and does he look baked!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2025 02:31 PM (uWKK8)
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>>>Honestly this concerns me more than the antitrust issues. Private equity is bad enough, foreign private equity is even worse.
right but the offer says that the foreigners will not have any presence on the board. They'll be stock owners only (supposedly).
right but the offer says that the foreigners will not have any presence on the board. They'll be stock owners only (supposedly).
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:31 PM (1wjle)
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Netflix takes over and Warner Brothers becomes lame and gay. Well more gay and lame
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 09, 2025 02:31 PM (D+mpw)
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The only reason these companies can create the streaming monopolies is the government already gave them an illegitimate monopoly over intellectual property.
If everything before 1980 were public domain, the value of streaming would drop precipitously. (And drop more every year as the last of the good movies become public domain...)
If everything before 1980 were public domain, the value of streaming would drop precipitously. (And drop more every year as the last of the good movies become public domain...)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:32 PM (zjgNU)
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Neflix's bid is for less cash per sale -- $27 -- but shareholders would also get shares in whatever spin-off corporation they create out of the the parts of Warner Discovery they don't want. Which is I think the "Discovery" part, all the cable channels like The Murder Channel (aka Investigative Discovery or ID).
Which is more valuable? I have no idea.
Take the $27 + shares.
Which is more valuable? I have no idea.
Take the $27 + shares.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2025 02:32 PM (bvUs5)
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Bro, it's the 1980s all over again! Break out some hair metal.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Or the Pet Shop Boys
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Time for a St. Elmo's Fire remake. No, not the middling movie. Instead, the never should have been a thing *song* St. Elmo's Fire. What an abomination. You can feel St. Elmo's Fire burning in you? I'd suggest you see a doctor immediately.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Or the Pet Shop Boys
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Time for a St. Elmo's Fire remake. No, not the middling movie. Instead, the never should have been a thing *song* St. Elmo's Fire. What an abomination. You can feel St. Elmo's Fire burning in you? I'd suggest you see a doctor immediately.
Posted by: Crusader at December 09, 2025 02:32 PM (TN0g+)
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I know a lot of things. Shit like this on the other hand...I know less about this stuff than Julius Caesar knew about our space program.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2025 02:33 PM (snZF9)
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All I know about corporate battling is, no matter what the companies themselves do, government is going to make sure it gets its cut, or else there will be no deal.
Some forms of capitalism are more capitalist than others.
Some forms of capitalism are more capitalist than others.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2025 02:33 PM (dGCAG)
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Who gets the AOL debt that still sits on Warner's books?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2025 02:33 PM (pIfcn)
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Once something is shown on BBC it belongs to the culture.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:34 PM (eEIbO)
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What nonsense Trump loves using Katlin Collins as his punching bag and gimp. Who wouldn't?
The question is when is Warner Bros going to let their wonderful cartoon library be available again. Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc. When's the last time you've seen the crown jewels on air?
The question is when is Warner Bros going to let their wonderful cartoon library be available again. Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc. When's the last time you've seen the crown jewels on air?
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 09, 2025 02:34 PM (wBaIH)
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Who gets the AOL debt that still sits on Warner's books?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2025 02:33 PM (pIfcn)
Myspace Tom.
He gets it.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2025 02:33 PM (pIfcn)
Myspace Tom.
He gets it.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2025 02:35 PM (dGCAG)
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25 Netflix takes over and Warner Brothers becomes lame and gay. Well more gay and lame
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Is that even possible? Yes, unfortunately I think it is. And more racist as well (racist against, uh, let's just say Europeans)
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Is that even possible? Yes, unfortunately I think it is. And more racist as well (racist against, uh, let's just say Europeans)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 09, 2025 02:35 PM (Dv3i1)
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Bro, it's the 1980s all over again! Break out some hair metal.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
sigh...not again.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
sigh...not again.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2025 02:35 PM (snZF9)
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>>>right but the offer says that the foreigners will not have any presence on the board. They'll be stock owners only (supposedly
wink wink
wink wink
Posted by: Chairman Xi at December 09, 2025 02:35 PM (jGJov)
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Myspace Tom.
He gets it.
Posted by: BurtTC
Tom gave us everything. And we turned our backs on him.
He gets it.
Posted by: BurtTC
Tom gave us everything. And we turned our backs on him.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2025 02:36 PM (bvUs5)
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Willowed:
Things will change when The Blade starts as an immigration judge!
Posted by: Elric The Blade
========
Trump admin just fired a bunch of judges the other day. Problem is that the local office's job ad for filling those judgeships probably has No US Citizens need apply just like above.
Posted by: whig a
Here's the link to apply
https://tinyurl.com/4rwpvhpk
Posted by: BruceWayne
Posted by: BruceWayne at December 09, 2025 02:27 PM (MGB5H)
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I know little about immigration law, but that only means I'd be good at the job. I'm looking to retire early in a few years, so a few years tossing out illegals could be good. LOL.
Things will change when The Blade starts as an immigration judge!
Posted by: Elric The Blade
========
Trump admin just fired a bunch of judges the other day. Problem is that the local office's job ad for filling those judgeships probably has No US Citizens need apply just like above.
Posted by: whig a
Here's the link to apply
https://tinyurl.com/4rwpvhpk
Posted by: BruceWayne
Posted by: BruceWayne at December 09, 2025 02:27 PM (MGB5H)
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I know little about immigration law, but that only means I'd be good at the job. I'm looking to retire early in a few years, so a few years tossing out illegals could be good. LOL.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 09, 2025 02:36 PM (iFTx/)
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Is that even possible? Yes, unfortunately I think it is. And more racist as well (racist against, uh, let's just say Europeans)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 09, 2025 02:35 PM (Dv3i1)
You'll get a gay tranny Scarlett O'Hara in the GWTW remake, and you'll like it!
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 09, 2025 02:35 PM (Dv3i1)
You'll get a gay tranny Scarlett O'Hara in the GWTW remake, and you'll like it!
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2025 02:36 PM (dGCAG)
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I guess I'm a terrible person, because I just don't give a flying ****. I'm far more concerned that I cannot find about two dozen books.
Posted by: Eeyore at December 09, 2025 02:37 PM (s0JqF)
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>>>31 Who gets the AOL debt that still sits on Warner's books?
See, I think the debt will be pawned off on this spinoff company. So I don't know if the shares in this company are actually going to be very valuable.
I've never understood this aspect of corporate finance. It seems wrong that you can split off the debt from the productive parts of a company.
See, I think the debt will be pawned off on this spinoff company. So I don't know if the shares in this company are actually going to be very valuable.
I've never understood this aspect of corporate finance. It seems wrong that you can split off the debt from the productive parts of a company.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:37 PM (1wjle)
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What "IP"s does Warner even control?
Bugs Bunny? And...?
Bugs Bunny? And...?
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2025 02:38 PM (oraVG)
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Bro, it's the 1980s all over again! Break out some hair metal.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Revolution calling..... revolution calling youuuuuuuu!
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Revolution calling..... revolution calling youuuuuuuu!
Posted by: Darth Randall at December 09, 2025 02:38 PM (f1kZG)
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Tom gave us everything. And we turned our backs on him.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2025 02:36 PM (bvUs5)
More than once I was blocked by some chick I managed to piss off (who, me?), and whenever I went back to check, Tom was still there. On the friend list.
Eff Tom.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2025 02:36 PM (bvUs5)
More than once I was blocked by some chick I managed to piss off (who, me?), and whenever I went back to check, Tom was still there. On the friend list.
Eff Tom.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2025 02:38 PM (dGCAG)
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That's all folks.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:38 PM (eEIbO)
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"he'll remake CNN into a fair and balanced network."
Not possible. We saw this play out in another (?) where staff went into full revolt. MSM venues can't be reformed and I wish the Right would stop falling for that. You've got to nuke the site from orbit and start over from scratchm
Not possible. We saw this play out in another (?) where staff went into full revolt. MSM venues can't be reformed and I wish the Right would stop falling for that. You've got to nuke the site from orbit and start over from scratchm
Posted by: Fen at December 09, 2025 02:38 PM (ciYHQ)
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I know little about immigration law, but that only means I'd be good at the job. I'm looking to retire early in a few years, so a few years tossing out illegals could be good. LOL.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
If I could have seen the future, I would have gotten a law degree after undergrad. This would be my plan now too. Maybe I'll look to see what an older guy can do to help in administration for border patrol or ICE.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
If I could have seen the future, I would have gotten a law degree after undergrad. This would be my plan now too. Maybe I'll look to see what an older guy can do to help in administration for border patrol or ICE.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (Dv3i1)
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I guess I'm a terrible person, because I just don't give a flying ****. I'm far more concerned that I cannot find about two dozen books.
Posted by: Eeyore at December 09, 2025 02:37 PM (s0JqF)
Did you check the book shelf?
Posted by: Eeyore at December 09, 2025 02:37 PM (s0JqF)
Did you check the book shelf?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (dGCAG)
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warner bros. owns DC Comics. I'm sure they own a lot of "IP" but I can't think of much more than DC right now.
They're a pretty successful movie company overall. They made the most profit last year, and had the most big hits.
They're a pretty successful movie company overall. They made the most profit last year, and had the most big hits.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (1wjle)
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Greed Is Good.
Posted by: Gordon Gekko at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (FGMmt)
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Netflix wins, everything will be fake and gay.
Ellison wins, it'll be......well......I've no idea.
Ellison wins, it'll be......well......I've no idea.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (Zz0t1)
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43 What "IP"s does Warner even control?
Bugs Bunny? And...?
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2025 02:38 PM (oraVG)
HBO and the WB old movie catalog, I think.
Bugs Bunny? And...?
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2025 02:38 PM (oraVG)
HBO and the WB old movie catalog, I think.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (pIfcn)
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Netflix buying WB would be like Dollar Tree buying Tiffany’s, and would greatly accelerate the death of the theatrical movie experience. Netflix has what they call the “Second Screen” philosophy—they make content that is designed to be on in the background while your “First Screen” (your phone or tablet or game) gets most of your attention. In other words, they make content that is purposefully designed to be background noise. Fuck Netflix.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (gYnrv)
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Rome?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:40 PM (eEIbO)
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And yes, movie production is a separate industry form movie exhibition. In fact, it was antitrust action by the government that forced this separation -- movie studios used to own their own movie theaters and play their movies in their own theaters. But the government considered this illegal vertical integration and forced the movie companies to sell their theaters to independent owners.
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The Paramount Accords.
Which, actually, are no longer in effect. The first Trump admin got rid of them.
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The Paramount Accords.
Which, actually, are no longer in effect. The first Trump admin got rid of them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:40 PM (GBKbO)
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I've never understood this aspect of corporate finance. It seems wrong that you can split off the debt from the productive parts of a company.
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I don't think you can "split off debt" in that scenario. Debt is a legal contract between two parties, and the one owed the debt has safeguards that prevent the debt from being "tossed over" to some other entity with no ability to pay.
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I don't think you can "split off debt" in that scenario. Debt is a legal contract between two parties, and the one owed the debt has safeguards that prevent the debt from being "tossed over" to some other entity with no ability to pay.
Posted by: Crusader at December 09, 2025 02:40 PM (TN0g+)
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Seems anti-trustee to me.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 09, 2025 02:40 PM (abIsI)
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oh warners now owns the Lord of the Rings movie franchise and Harry Potter.
but by "own them" I mean "own the movie rights, for now."
but by "own them" I mean "own the movie rights, for now."
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:40 PM (1wjle)
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Film Threat and Geeks and Gamers both covered this on livestreams yesterday. There's also apparently a website that Paramount put together for this that Angry Badger said he was covering on his livestream yesterday. There does seem to be a lot of "this is bad" on all options for this unless apparently you're David Zazlav. Parmount may be the least bad option because they claim to want to keep pumping out movies of up to 30 per year if they get Warner Bros. Netflix it sounds a lot like the Microsoft acquistion of Activision. You know where they say they won't do the thing but a year or two after the merger and they totally do the thing.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:40 PM (3tZV2)
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See, I think the debt will be pawned off on this spinoff company. So I don't know if the shares in this company are actually going to be very valuable.
I've never understood this aspect of corporate finance. It seems wrong that you can split off the debt from the productive parts of a company.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:37 PM
"There's a ... something ... born every minute."
"A ... something ... and his money are soon parted."
-- Venture Capital firms everywhere
I've never understood this aspect of corporate finance. It seems wrong that you can split off the debt from the productive parts of a company.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:37 PM
"There's a ... something ... born every minute."
"A ... something ... and his money are soon parted."
-- Venture Capital firms everywhere
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 09, 2025 02:41 PM (0sNs1)
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>>>I don't think you can "split off debt" in that scenario. Debt is a legal contract between two parties, and the one owed the debt has safeguards that prevent the debt from being "tossed over" to some other entity with no ability to pay.
i want to say that that's right but I don't think it is...
i want to say that that's right but I don't think it is...
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:41 PM (1wjle)
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Who gets the AOL debt that still sits on Warner's books?
See, I think the debt will be pawned off on this spinoff company. So I don't know if the shares in this company are actually going to be very valuable.
I've never understood this aspect of corporate finance. It seems wrong that you can split off the debt from the productive parts of a company.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:37 PM (1wjle)
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Depends what kind of debt, whether the lenders agree, and you need to find shareholders in the new company to get the debt who agree to take it on.
I did a detailed review of this transaction some time back, and I recall that the company getting the debt is also getting some valuable IP and income-producing assets -- supposedly enough to service the debt.
Historically, these kinds of deals rarely work.
See, I think the debt will be pawned off on this spinoff company. So I don't know if the shares in this company are actually going to be very valuable.
I've never understood this aspect of corporate finance. It seems wrong that you can split off the debt from the productive parts of a company.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:37 PM (1wjle)
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Depends what kind of debt, whether the lenders agree, and you need to find shareholders in the new company to get the debt who agree to take it on.
I did a detailed review of this transaction some time back, and I recall that the company getting the debt is also getting some valuable IP and income-producing assets -- supposedly enough to service the debt.
Historically, these kinds of deals rarely work.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 09, 2025 02:41 PM (iFTx/)
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0 warner bros. owns DC Comics. I'm sure they own a lot of "IP" but I can't think of much more than DC right now.
They're a pretty successful movie company overall. They made the most profit last year, and had the most big hits.
Posted by: ace
HBO and the WB old movie catalog, I think.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls
And DC Comics is...Superman? Batman? And...?
They're a pretty successful movie company overall. They made the most profit last year, and had the most big hits.
Posted by: ace
HBO and the WB old movie catalog, I think.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls
And DC Comics is...Superman? Batman? And...?
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (oraVG)
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Netflix buying WB would be like Dollar Tree buying Tiffany’s, and would greatly accelerate the death of the theatrical movie experience. Netflix has what they call the “Second Screen” philosophy—they make content that is designed to be on in the background while your “First Screen” (your phone or tablet or game) gets most of your attention. In other words, they make content that is purposefully designed to be background noise. Fuck Netflix.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (gYnrv)
Regardless, this isn't a choice between streaming services and movie theaters.
It's a choice between WHICH bazillionaire oligarch is going to control which streaming service you get.
Movie theaters are dinosaurs. The meteor hit a five years ago, they're already dead, they just don't know it yet.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (gYnrv)
Regardless, this isn't a choice between streaming services and movie theaters.
It's a choice between WHICH bazillionaire oligarch is going to control which streaming service you get.
Movie theaters are dinosaurs. The meteor hit a five years ago, they're already dead, they just don't know it yet.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (dGCAG)
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54 Netflix buying WB would be like Dollar Tree buying Tiffany’s, and would greatly accelerate the death of the theatrical movie experience. Netflix has what they call the “Second Screen” philosophy—they make content that is designed to be on in the background while your “First Screen” (your phone or tablet or game) gets most of your attention. In other words, they make content that is purposefully designed to be background noise. Fuck Netflix.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (gYnrv)
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I think it's overstated.
If anything was going to kill movie theaters, it was covid, and movie theaters came back to, like, 80% strength after a couple of years.
Theatrical going has been declining since the 1930s, the height of the practice, with concentrated hits in the 50s (TV) and 70s/80s (home exhibition).
There will always be room for theatrical distribution, but it's just going to be increasingly focused on spectacle.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (gYnrv)
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I think it's overstated.
If anything was going to kill movie theaters, it was covid, and movie theaters came back to, like, 80% strength after a couple of years.
Theatrical going has been declining since the 1930s, the height of the practice, with concentrated hits in the 50s (TV) and 70s/80s (home exhibition).
There will always be room for theatrical distribution, but it's just going to be increasingly focused on spectacle.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (GBKbO)
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Bro, it's the 1980s all over again! Break out some hair metal.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Revolution calling..... revolution calling youuuuuuuu!
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For a price I'd do about anything
Except pull the trigger
For that I need a pretty good cause...
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Revolution calling..... revolution calling youuuuuuuu!
------
For a price I'd do about anything
Except pull the trigger
For that I need a pretty good cause...
Posted by: Geoff Tate at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (TN0g+)
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You know where they say they won't do the thing but a year or two after the merger and they totally do the thing.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:40 PM
A year??? Heck, it just takes us minutes.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:40 PM
A year??? Heck, it just takes us minutes.
Posted by: High school guys in the back seat at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (0sNs1)
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This is a no-brainer. Ellison's 9% higher vs. guaranteed future Netflix failure.
This is a no-brainer. Ellison's 9% higher vs. guaranteed future Netflix failure.
Posted by: Auspex at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (Y8DZL)
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>>>And DC Comics is...Superman? Batman? And...?
batman superman wonder woman flash green lantern, etc.
Superman becomes public domain in something like five or six years, batman the year after, etc.
batman superman wonder woman flash green lantern, etc.
Superman becomes public domain in something like five or six years, batman the year after, etc.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (1wjle)
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"Revolution calling..... "
Heh. "Queensrÿche is a killing word".
Don't know why but I love that quote.
From someone here.
Heh. "Queensrÿche is a killing word".
Don't know why but I love that quote.
From someone here.
Posted by: Fen at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (ciYHQ)
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oh warners now owns the Lord of the Rings movie franchise and Harry Potter.
but by "own them" I mean "own the movie rights, for now."
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:40 PM (1wjle)
Two franchises I can afford no f*cks to spare for. My small jar is still full, so I feel it would not be worth giving any for this.
but by "own them" I mean "own the movie rights, for now."
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:40 PM (1wjle)
Two franchises I can afford no f*cks to spare for. My small jar is still full, so I feel it would not be worth giving any for this.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (Zz0t1)
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Not really sure I care who makes crappy movies these days
Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (Ia/+0)
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The CNN story is surely made up nonsense. CNN could be the source in an attempt to make their flaccid operation seem relevant.
Posted by: Oglebay at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (GPa4z)
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Netfix wants to be the new cable. A single place that everyone has to use like a utility. The thing people started using netflix to avoid. Another conspiracy against the laity situation.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (3uBP9)
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70 >>>And DC Comics is...Superman? Batman? And...?
batman superman wonder woman flash green lantern, etc.
Superman becomes public domain in something like five or six years, batman the year after, etc.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (1wjle)
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I'm just glad the superhero bubble has deflated.
I mostly can't wait for Avengers Doomsday to not nearly make back the money it needs. That will entertain me.
Instead, Super Mario Galaxy will make all the money.
batman superman wonder woman flash green lantern, etc.
Superman becomes public domain in something like five or six years, batman the year after, etc.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (1wjle)
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I'm just glad the superhero bubble has deflated.
I mostly can't wait for Avengers Doomsday to not nearly make back the money it needs. That will entertain me.
Instead, Super Mario Galaxy will make all the money.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (GBKbO)
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right but the offer says that the foreigners will not have any presence on the board. They'll be stock owners only (supposedly).
Posted by: ace
Control is done through 'localization.' The shareholder gets favored execs to be planted throughout the company by insisting that they need to have representation. This is happening in the game industry where Chinese shareholders are salting companies with CCP apparat.
Posted by: ace
Control is done through 'localization.' The shareholder gets favored execs to be planted throughout the company by insisting that they need to have representation. This is happening in the game industry where Chinese shareholders are salting companies with CCP apparat.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (mlg/3)
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"Revolution calling..... "
Heh. "Queensrÿche is a killing word".
Don't know why but I love that quote.
From someone here.
Posted by: Fen at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (ciYHQ)
*cowers into corner*
*assumes fetal position*
*shudders*
Heh. "Queensrÿche is a killing word".
Don't know why but I love that quote.
From someone here.
Posted by: Fen at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (ciYHQ)
*cowers into corner*
*assumes fetal position*
*shudders*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (Zz0t1)
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42 >>>31 Who gets the AOL debt that still sits on Warner's books?
See, I think the debt will be pawned off on this spinoff company. So I don't know if the shares in this company are actually going to be very valuable.
I've never understood this aspect of corporate finance. It seems wrong that you can split off the debt from the productive parts of a company.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:37 PM (1wjle)
I think your assessment about the spinoff is correct, they just have to attach enough assets to make some dumb buyer pull the trigger. Discovery and whatever IP you need to sweeten the pot.
See, I think the debt will be pawned off on this spinoff company. So I don't know if the shares in this company are actually going to be very valuable.
I've never understood this aspect of corporate finance. It seems wrong that you can split off the debt from the productive parts of a company.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:37 PM (1wjle)
I think your assessment about the spinoff is correct, they just have to attach enough assets to make some dumb buyer pull the trigger. Discovery and whatever IP you need to sweeten the pot.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (pIfcn)
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And DC Comics is...Superman? Batman? And...?
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (oraVG)
Wonderwoman, Flash, Green Lantern. And that's basically it. DC is top heavy on IP. Marvel has a deeper bench.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (oraVG)
Wonderwoman, Flash, Green Lantern. And that's basically it. DC is top heavy on IP. Marvel has a deeper bench.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (3tZV2)
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Bro, it's the 1980s all over again! Break out some hair metal.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Revolution calling..... revolution calling youuuuuuuu!
------
For a price I'd do about anything
Except pull the trigger
For that I need a pretty good cause...
Posted by: Geoff Tate at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (TN0g+)
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The entire record is prophetic and still relevant today. Except ... they spend an awful lot of time bitching about shady preachers. As if that was gonna be a big problem in the future ....
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Revolution calling..... revolution calling youuuuuuuu!
------
For a price I'd do about anything
Except pull the trigger
For that I need a pretty good cause...
Posted by: Geoff Tate at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (TN0g+)
____
The entire record is prophetic and still relevant today. Except ... they spend an awful lot of time bitching about shady preachers. As if that was gonna be a big problem in the future ....
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (iFTx/)
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Letting these companies buy each other up is bad business.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (eEIbO)
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I can't wait until there is just one media superconglomerate that controls all, does all, is all. It can chip me like a dog so that it knows whether I'm watching my mandatory stories or not. Because it loves me and does not wish us to be apart. Ever.
Posted by: Or, we could burn it all down at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (IVZwn)
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Glad I grew out of any comic book phase. And never really cared for a video game movie either.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (Zz0t1)
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>>Two franchises I can afford no f*cks to spare for. My small jar is still full, so I feel it would not be worth giving any for this.
i'm a huge LOTR fan now
at some point they'll do a remake. Which isn't as cash-grabby as it sounds, because presumably the remake will be more book-accurate, with maybe each of the three LOTR films split into two.
well I guess that's totally cash-grabby but whatever, it's going to happen so we'll all just have to deal with it
i'm a huge LOTR fan now
at some point they'll do a remake. Which isn't as cash-grabby as it sounds, because presumably the remake will be more book-accurate, with maybe each of the three LOTR films split into two.
well I guess that's totally cash-grabby but whatever, it's going to happen so we'll all just have to deal with it
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (1wjle)
Posted by: zombie The Bob Dole at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (0sNs1)
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batman superman wonder woman flash green lantern, etc.
Superman becomes public domain in something like five or six years, batman the year after, etc.
Posted by: ace
So, basically, what this dispute comes down to is: Will future Batman and Superman universe movies be woke? Or Based?
Superman becomes public domain in something like five or six years, batman the year after, etc.
Posted by: ace
So, basically, what this dispute comes down to is: Will future Batman and Superman universe movies be woke? Or Based?
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (oraVG)
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80 Wonderwoman, Flash, Green Lantern. And that's basically it. DC is top heavy on IP. Marvel has a deeper bench.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (3tZV2)
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Well, Iron Man was nobody, a C-rated comic until it suddenly wasn't with his first movie.
Marvel's A-game was Spider-Man, X-Men, and the Fantastic Four, all of which Marvel had sold the movie rights to years before they tried to start their own movie studio. And all they had was their shit tier properties.
Until they weren't shit-tier properties all of a sudden.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (3tZV2)
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Well, Iron Man was nobody, a C-rated comic until it suddenly wasn't with his first movie.
Marvel's A-game was Spider-Man, X-Men, and the Fantastic Four, all of which Marvel had sold the movie rights to years before they tried to start their own movie studio. And all they had was their shit tier properties.
Until they weren't shit-tier properties all of a sudden.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (GBKbO)
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Greed Is Good.
Posted by: Gordon Gekko at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (FGMmt)
Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition #10- Greed is eternal
Posted by: Gordon Gekko at December 09, 2025 02:39 PM (FGMmt)
Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition #10- Greed is eternal
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (snZF9)
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they're remaking Harry Potter as an eight-season tv series, supposedly including all the book material that was chopped out of the films.
I imagine they'll be doing that for LOTR within ten years.
I imagine they'll be doing that for LOTR within ten years.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (1wjle)
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How do adults watch cape crap?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (eEIbO)
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73 Not really sure I care who makes crappy movies these days
Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (Ia/+0)
Which basically is the biggest problem in Hollywood. They keep making agenda driven garbage, and not movies for the average person to enjoy.
Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2025 02:43 PM (Ia/+0)
Which basically is the biggest problem in Hollywood. They keep making agenda driven garbage, and not movies for the average person to enjoy.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (3tZV2)
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85 i'm a huge LOTR fan now
at some point they'll do a remake. Which isn't as cash-grabby as it sounds, because presumably the remake will be more book-accurate, with maybe each of the three LOTR films split into two.
well I guess that's totally cash-grabby but whatever, it's going to happen so we'll all just have to deal with it
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (1wjle)
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WB doing a 15 hour limited series, or something.
Eh.
I have the books. I love them. I have the movies. I love them. I'm tapped out on remining the same properties for ANOTHER take on the material.
at some point they'll do a remake. Which isn't as cash-grabby as it sounds, because presumably the remake will be more book-accurate, with maybe each of the three LOTR films split into two.
well I guess that's totally cash-grabby but whatever, it's going to happen so we'll all just have to deal with it
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (1wjle)
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WB doing a 15 hour limited series, or something.
Eh.
I have the books. I love them. I have the movies. I love them. I'm tapped out on remining the same properties for ANOTHER take on the material.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (GBKbO)
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The only theaters I see around are the stadium types with giant electric masseuse style chairs with a host of buttons and people serve food and drinks. $$$ ticket prices and $$$$$$ concessions
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (3uBP9)
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All Netflix has committed to is maintaining the theatrical releases that WB is contractually obligated to. After that they have stated they will reassess and look for ways to “better provide for the consumer”—in other words much less time in theaters and then locked down on Netflix.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (gYnrv)
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The entire record is prophetic and still relevant today. Except ... they spend an awful lot of time bitching about shady preachers. As if that was gonna be a big problem in the future ....
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They also didn't get the memo about the $20 either, or they lived in a high cost area.
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They also didn't get the memo about the $20 either, or they lived in a high cost area.
Posted by: Crusader at December 09, 2025 02:47 PM (TN0g+)
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well I guess that's totally cash-grabby but whatever, it's going to happen so we'll all just have to deal with it
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (1wjle)
Valid.
I will anticipate not seeing it just like I did the last go around.
well I guess that's totally cash-grabby but whatever, it's going to happen so we'll all just have to deal with it
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (1wjle)
Valid.
I will anticipate not seeing it just like I did the last go around.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:47 PM (Zz0t1)
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90 they're remaking Harry Potter as an eight-season tv series, supposedly including all the book material that was chopped out of the films.
I imagine they'll be doing that for LOTR within ten years.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (1wjle)
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And it will end up being boring as fuck, especially in the later seasons, because Hermione fighting for House Elf rights was always just extra fodder Rowling put into the books because she knew it would never get adapted.
I imagine they'll be doing that for LOTR within ten years.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (1wjle)
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And it will end up being boring as fuck, especially in the later seasons, because Hermione fighting for House Elf rights was always just extra fodder Rowling put into the books because she knew it would never get adapted.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:47 PM (GBKbO)
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*cowers into corner*
*assumes fetal position*
*shudders*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (Zz0t1)
Of all the jacked up bans ...
Ace is an excitable fellow.
He hits us because he loves us.
*assumes fetal position*
*shudders*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (Zz0t1)
Of all the jacked up bans ...
Ace is an excitable fellow.
He hits us because he loves us.
Posted by: Or, we could burn it all down at December 09, 2025 02:47 PM (IVZwn)
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As long as the company where the debt is being spun off to has some tangible asset that could back stop it, it's legal to spin off debt.
Obviously this would be part of the auditing and governance process to fully execute the merger, and would have to get government approval and oversight.
The funny thing is that AOL Debt will probably just be tossed around like this forever until the heat death of the universe.
Obviously this would be part of the auditing and governance process to fully execute the merger, and would have to get government approval and oversight.
The funny thing is that AOL Debt will probably just be tossed around like this forever until the heat death of the universe.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (XV/Pl)
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at some point they'll do a remake. Which isn't as cash-grabby as it sounds, because presumably the remake will be more book-accurate, with maybe each of the three LOTR films split into two.
well I guess that's totally cash-grabby but whatever, it's going to happen so we'll all just have to deal with it
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (1wjle)
And Tom Bombadil still won't be in it.
well I guess that's totally cash-grabby but whatever, it's going to happen so we'll all just have to deal with it
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (1wjle)
And Tom Bombadil still won't be in it.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (3tZV2)
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Sounds more like political partisans or Netflix executives trying to poison Parmount's pill so that Warner Discovery can't swallow it.
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Why is no one axing who is behind Netflix bid ? Obama funders and supporters maybe....
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Why is no one axing who is behind Netflix bid ? Obama funders and supporters maybe....
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (g47mK)
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I got no dog in this fight.
Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (TR2dy)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (0sNs1)
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95 All Netflix has committed to is maintaining the theatrical releases that WB is contractually obligated to. After that they have stated they will reassess and look for ways to “better provide for the consumer”—in other words much less time in theaters and then locked down on Netflix.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (gYnrv)
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Netflix's CEO has a long history of saying that the theatrical model is outmoded and against his vision for Netflix.
But, suddenly, he's saying that theaters are super important, guys.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (gYnrv)
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Netflix's CEO has a long history of saying that the theatrical model is outmoded and against his vision for Netflix.
But, suddenly, he's saying that theaters are super important, guys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Fen at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (ciYHQ)
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I thought Disney bought Paramount.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 09, 2025 02:49 PM (WPL6O)
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But, suddenly, he's saying that theaters are super important, guys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (GBKbO)
Critical Drinker begs to differ.
But, suddenly, he's saying that theaters are super important, guys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (GBKbO)
Critical Drinker begs to differ.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:49 PM (Zz0t1)
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107 I thought Disney bought Paramount.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 09, 2025 02:49 PM (WPL6O)
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Disney bought Fox's movie assets.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 09, 2025 02:49 PM (WPL6O)
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Disney bought Fox's movie assets.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:49 PM (GBKbO)
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They had a deal. Now a bidder.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:49 PM (eEIbO)
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The only movies that I've seen at the theaters in the past few years are the big teen cultural ones like FNAF and the K-Pop one. For my kid.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2025 02:49 PM (3uBP9)
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I did see Slayer is putting out a 40th Anniversary 3xLP Boxed Set for Hell Awaits.
Pre-Ordered immediately, of course.
Pre-Ordered immediately, of course.
Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2025 02:50 PM (TR2dy)
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When does the Prince Harry-Meghan Markle rom-com air on the Netflix Christmas rotation this year?
When does the Prince Harry-Meghan Markle rom-com air on the Netflix Christmas rotation this year?
Posted by: Auspex at December 09, 2025 02:50 PM (Y8DZL)
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I hold a little WBD (150 sh) in an IRA account. So I can't say I don't have a dog in this fight but it's a little pocket dog.
It was a spin-off from somebody - GE maybe or T?
It was a spin-off from somebody - GE maybe or T?
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at December 09, 2025 02:50 PM (QGaXH)
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What does this mean for Bugs Bunny?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2025 02:51 PM (pkeXY)
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When does the Prince Harry-Meghan Markle rom-com air on the Netflix Christmas rotation this year?
Posted by: Auspex at December 09, 2025 02:50 PM (Y8DZL)
Doug and Wendy Whiner were more tolerable........
When does the Prince Harry-Meghan Markle rom-com air on the Netflix Christmas rotation this year?
Posted by: Auspex at December 09, 2025 02:50 PM (Y8DZL)
Doug and Wendy Whiner were more tolerable........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:51 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at December 09, 2025 02:51 PM (0sNs1)
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90 they're remaking Harry Potter as an eight-season tv series, supposedly including all the book material that was chopped out of the films.
I imagine they'll be doing that for LOTR within ten years.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (1wjle)
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Amazon Prime KILLED Lord of the Rings for the foreseeable future.
I can't imagine anyone producing a successful version that tops Peter Jackson's films, either on the small or large screen.
I imagine they'll be doing that for LOTR within ten years.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (1wjle)
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Amazon Prime KILLED Lord of the Rings for the foreseeable future.
I can't imagine anyone producing a successful version that tops Peter Jackson's films, either on the small or large screen.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 09, 2025 02:51 PM (ESVrU)
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115 What does this mean for Bugs Bunny?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2025 02:51 PM (pkeXY)
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It's too bad they never made a Bugs Bunny cartoon after 1946. Well, except for his cameo in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but that can hardly count.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2025 02:51 PM (pkeXY)
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It's too bad they never made a Bugs Bunny cartoon after 1946. Well, except for his cameo in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but that can hardly count.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:51 PM (GBKbO)
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Which is more valuable? I have no idea.
Posted by: rickb223
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That is why Netflix's offer is deceptive, it is 23.25 in cash, 4.50 in Netflix stock, and bluesky value of CNN et al. compared with 30 bucks straight up from paramount. Figuring out the value of teh cable properties requires a lot of homework and it depends on how much of the debt is loaded on those properties at spinoff which is tbd later. Pig in a poke offer compared with Paramount.
Netflix stock owners are not happy and stock is down because of possible stock dilution. Every WB shareholder gets 4.50 in Netflix stock from the deal, see above.
Posted by: rickb223
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That is why Netflix's offer is deceptive, it is 23.25 in cash, 4.50 in Netflix stock, and bluesky value of CNN et al. compared with 30 bucks straight up from paramount. Figuring out the value of teh cable properties requires a lot of homework and it depends on how much of the debt is loaded on those properties at spinoff which is tbd later. Pig in a poke offer compared with Paramount.
Netflix stock owners are not happy and stock is down because of possible stock dilution. Every WB shareholder gets 4.50 in Netflix stock from the deal, see above.
Posted by: whig at December 09, 2025 02:51 PM (WDjG6)
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114 I hold a little WBD (150 sh) in an IRA account. So I can't say I don't have a dog in this fight but it's a little pocket dog.
It was a spin-off from somebody - GE maybe or T?
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at December 09, 2025 02:50 PM (QGaXH)
(T)
I held it for a decade for the dividend and capitulated when Xander fell apart.
It was a spin-off from somebody - GE maybe or T?
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at December 09, 2025 02:50 PM (QGaXH)
(T)
I held it for a decade for the dividend and capitulated when Xander fell apart.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (pIfcn)
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105 95 All Netflix has committed to is maintaining the theatrical releases that WB is contractually obligated to. After that they have stated they will reassess and look for ways to “better provide for the consumer”—in other words much less time in theaters and then locked down on Netflix.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (gYnrv)
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Netflix's CEO has a long history of saying that the theatrical model is outmoded and against his vision for Netflix.
But, suddenly, he's saying that theaters are super important, guys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (GBKbO)
When Reed Hastings (CEO) was catching a lot of flak for shutting down the DVD division of the business because that is what the company was founded on, he had one ready answer for that: Look at the name of this company: Netflix. We were always going to go to the web.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (gYnrv)
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Netflix's CEO has a long history of saying that the theatrical model is outmoded and against his vision for Netflix.
But, suddenly, he's saying that theaters are super important, guys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (GBKbO)
When Reed Hastings (CEO) was catching a lot of flak for shutting down the DVD division of the business because that is what the company was founded on, he had one ready answer for that: Look at the name of this company: Netflix. We were always going to go to the web.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (0CU3H)
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What does this mean for Bugs Bunny?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2025 02:51 PM (pkeXY)
Didn't they retire Bugs after "The King of All Voices" died?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2025 02:51 PM (pkeXY)
Didn't they retire Bugs after "The King of All Voices" died?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (Zz0t1)
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i bought Superman when it was on sale but turned it off after eight minutes. I still haven't watched it. It just seemed so dumb.
How come Dick Donner figured out the perfect tone for these movies in 1976-1977 and everyone just kind of ignores that and tries to establish their own tone?
How come Dick Donner figured out the perfect tone for these movies in 1976-1977 and everyone just kind of ignores that and tries to establish their own tone?
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (1wjle)
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@90
>>they're remaking Harry Potter as an eight-season tv series, supposedly including all the book material that was chopped out of the films. I imagine they'll be doing that for LOTR within ten years.
Most series can only maintain their focus and discipline for 3-4 seasons at most.
Then the creatives tend to get bored and want to do other things but they can't do those other things because they are under contract so their personal bullsh*t starts to get infused.
Except Smallville, Smallville was great it's entire run.
>>they're remaking Harry Potter as an eight-season tv series, supposedly including all the book material that was chopped out of the films. I imagine they'll be doing that for LOTR within ten years.
Most series can only maintain their focus and discipline for 3-4 seasons at most.
Then the creatives tend to get bored and want to do other things but they can't do those other things because they are under contract so their personal bullsh*t starts to get infused.
Except Smallville, Smallville was great it's entire run.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (XV/Pl)
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Not really sure I care who makes crappy movies these days
Posted by: Skip
Exactly. I've been spending more & more time on YouTube watching things.
Posted by: Skip
Exactly. I've been spending more & more time on YouTube watching things.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (bvUs5)
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Well, Iron Man was nobody, a C-rated comic until it suddenly wasn't with his first movie.
Marvel's A-game was Spider-Man, X-Men, and the Fantastic Four, all of which Marvel had sold the movie rights to years before they tried to start their own movie studio. And all they had was their shit tier properties.
Until they weren't shit-tier properties all of a sudden.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (GBKbO)
Sure Iron man was "C-list" at Marvel which is kind of my point. I think people have underestimated something from the 90s. Capcom. You had all these lower tier Marvel characters but they were plastered everywhere on kids growing up in the 90s when there were still arcades. Capcom had a Marvel arcade game and then Marvel vs. Capcom, and then even on home consoles eventually. I do think a lot of people underestimate that influence leading to people having that underlying understanding of a lot of Marvel characters and seeing them as cool that was ready for exploitation when they came to theaters finally.
Marvel's A-game was Spider-Man, X-Men, and the Fantastic Four, all of which Marvel had sold the movie rights to years before they tried to start their own movie studio. And all they had was their shit tier properties.
Until they weren't shit-tier properties all of a sudden.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:45 PM (GBKbO)
Sure Iron man was "C-list" at Marvel which is kind of my point. I think people have underestimated something from the 90s. Capcom. You had all these lower tier Marvel characters but they were plastered everywhere on kids growing up in the 90s when there were still arcades. Capcom had a Marvel arcade game and then Marvel vs. Capcom, and then even on home consoles eventually. I do think a lot of people underestimate that influence leading to people having that underlying understanding of a lot of Marvel characters and seeing them as cool that was ready for exploitation when they came to theaters finally.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (3tZV2)
Posted by: Dan and Dave, showrunners of Game of Thrones at December 09, 2025 02:53 PM (1wjle)
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at some point they'll do a remake. Which isn't as cash-grabby as it sounds, because presumably the remake will be more book-accurate, with maybe each of the three LOTR films split into two.
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I could see where, if they took all the money Bezos blew on the Rings of Power and instead made three seasons of 10-12 episodes each that was about as reasonably close to the books as you can get in a visual adaptation, that would probably be the best to hope for.
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I could see where, if they took all the money Bezos blew on the Rings of Power and instead made three seasons of 10-12 episodes each that was about as reasonably close to the books as you can get in a visual adaptation, that would probably be the best to hope for.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 09, 2025 02:53 PM (Dv3i1)
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>>Amazon Prime KILLED Lord of the Rings for the foreseeable future.
Did you ever watch the Meme Copium 'Rangs of Power' reaction series on YouTube?
Hysterical.
Did you ever watch the Meme Copium 'Rangs of Power' reaction series on YouTube?
Hysterical.
Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2025 02:53 PM (TR2dy)
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122 When Reed Hastings (CEO) was catching a lot of flak for shutting down the DVD division of the business because that is what the company was founded on, he had one ready answer for that: Look at the name of this company: Netflix. We were always going to go to the web.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (0CU3H)
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I was a subscriber to the mail in service until the end (you can see my final two Netflix envelopes in my newest video! like and subscribe), but the service was down to something like less than a million subscribers, hadn't seriously reupped its inventory in years, and was really just fraying to nothing.
Pulling the plug was a mercy.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (0CU3H)
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I was a subscriber to the mail in service until the end (you can see my final two Netflix envelopes in my newest video! like and subscribe), but the service was down to something like less than a million subscribers, hadn't seriously reupped its inventory in years, and was really just fraying to nothing.
Pulling the plug was a mercy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:53 PM (GBKbO)
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I imagine they'll be doing that for LOTR within ten years.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (1wjle)
If they're smart they'll leave Tom Bombadil out of the new one, too.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:46 PM (1wjle)
If they're smart they'll leave Tom Bombadil out of the new one, too.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at December 09, 2025 02:53 PM (k9OZB)
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What?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:53 PM (eEIbO)
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Doesn't sound like a bribe to me. It sounds like the President would take into account the very real fact that CNN gives commies preferential treatment which is Bad for America.
Posted by: Close The Fed at December 09, 2025 02:53 PM (lZILf)
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124 i bought Superman when it was on sale but turned it off after eight minutes. I still haven't watched it. It just seemed so dumb.
How come Dick Donner figured out the perfect tone for these movies in 1976-1977 and everyone just kind of ignores that and tries to establish their own tone?
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (1wjle)
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The Richard Donner Superman is not a good movie.
*that guy standing at a meeting meme*
How come Dick Donner figured out the perfect tone for these movies in 1976-1977 and everyone just kind of ignores that and tries to establish their own tone?
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (1wjle)
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The Richard Donner Superman is not a good movie.
*that guy standing at a meeting meme*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:53 PM (GBKbO)
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Warner Bros. is a juggernaut. Discovery is a remora, a dingleberry. Make them take a loss for having to shed the burden of Discovery.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (1zOXE)
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I tried to post something about BB. Enraging the spam filter.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (eEIbO)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (mlg/3)
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I guess I can kind of see how media outfits would get bent out of shape of someone other than a fellow leftist was in charge of, or owned, a state propaganda organ. That they fight tooth and nail to keep them under leftist control is telling.
Failing a hostile takeover I'd like to see a consorted effort to drive them into bankruptcy.
Failing a hostile takeover I'd like to see a consorted effort to drive them into bankruptcy.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (NwnyJ)
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Reed Hastings sucks cock by choice.
And based on what Netflix puts out and tolerates, I'm not hopeful.
Best we can hope for there is benign neglect, Netflix just tossing money at creative directors and leaving them alone. But that is a best case fairy tale.
And based on what Netflix puts out and tolerates, I'm not hopeful.
Best we can hope for there is benign neglect, Netflix just tossing money at creative directors and leaving them alone. But that is a best case fairy tale.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (XV/Pl)
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people saying "Iron Man was a c-list character" can't really name any other Marvel c-listers successfully turned into A-listers.
Guardians of the Galaxy, okay, I guess. Ant-Man... um, sort of.
but no one is really able to turn marvel c-listers into A-listers any more.
I think Marvel collapsed precisely because it got greedy about trying to turn its backbenchers into stars.
Guardians of the Galaxy, okay, I guess. Ant-Man... um, sort of.
but no one is really able to turn marvel c-listers into A-listers any more.
I think Marvel collapsed precisely because it got greedy about trying to turn its backbenchers into stars.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (1wjle)
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Most series can only maintain their focus and discipline for 3-4 seasons at most.
Then the creatives tend to get bored and want to do other things but they can't do those other things because they are under contract so their personal bullsh*t starts to get infused.
Except Smallville, Smallville was great it's entire run.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (XV/Pl)
My wife is a huge Smallville fan.
I'd argue that Firefly was also great for its entire run. (/twists the knife)
Then the creatives tend to get bored and want to do other things but they can't do those other things because they are under contract so their personal bullsh*t starts to get infused.
Except Smallville, Smallville was great it's entire run.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (XV/Pl)
My wife is a huge Smallville fan.
I'd argue that Firefly was also great for its entire run. (/twists the knife)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (zjgNU)
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Tom Bombadil and Goldberry will be a trans couple who are altogether too fabulous for the Third Age.
Posted by: Or, we could burn it all down at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (IVZwn)
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And Tom Bombadil still won't be in it.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (3tZV2)
I never could figure that one out why he was omitted. It's been awhile since I read the book, so I'm probably all mixed up, but wasn't he the dude that kinda saved the hobbits the first time they ran across the Ring Wraiths? I kind of thought that was somewhat of an important event that wasn't in the movie.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:48 PM (3tZV2)
I never could figure that one out why he was omitted. It's been awhile since I read the book, so I'm probably all mixed up, but wasn't he the dude that kinda saved the hobbits the first time they ran across the Ring Wraiths? I kind of thought that was somewhat of an important event that wasn't in the movie.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (snZF9)
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Good Sci Fi. Rare these days.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (eEIbO)
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I can't imagine anyone producing a successful version that tops Peter Jackson's films, either on the small or large screen.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
I liken PJ's films to a Lamborghini with all the bolts loosened on the wheels. The further along it went the wheels started wobbling, then falling off in the end.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
I liken PJ's films to a Lamborghini with all the bolts loosened on the wheels. The further along it went the wheels started wobbling, then falling off in the end.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (Dv3i1)
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Wow.
I must be getting old because all of this is a big fat don't care.
The only thing I watch on the idiot screen is free youtube with the majority of it being educational and history (espeically WW2).
In general I'm pretty sure that I'd prefer all the companies mentioned in the post to go bankrupt. Something tells me that would make my life and society to improve.
I must be getting old because all of this is a big fat don't care.
The only thing I watch on the idiot screen is free youtube with the majority of it being educational and history (espeically WW2).
In general I'm pretty sure that I'd prefer all the companies mentioned in the post to go bankrupt. Something tells me that would make my life and society to improve.
Posted by: hate_the_deepstate at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (2Nfh9)
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The Owebama's are still on the board at Netflix, so you can expect everything to be gay and lame.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (Zz0t1)
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140 Best we can hope for there is benign neglect, Netflix just tossing money at creative directors and leaving them alone. But that is a best case fairy tale.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (xcxpd)
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Well, they do do that.
Who cares if $120 million will turn a profit when handing it to Guillermo del Toro? Just give him the money, make his Frankenstein, and hope its good enough to buy an Oscar with (that Netflix hasn't won a Best Picture Oscar yet entertains me, but Apple did with freaking CODA).
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (xcxpd)
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Well, they do do that.
Who cares if $120 million will turn a profit when handing it to Guillermo del Toro? Just give him the money, make his Frankenstein, and hope its good enough to buy an Oscar with (that Netflix hasn't won a Best Picture Oscar yet entertains me, but Apple did with freaking CODA).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (GBKbO)
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How come Dick Donner figured out the perfect tone for these movies in 1976-1977 and everyone just kind of ignores that and tries to establish their own tone?
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (1wjle)
Because Hollywood is full of narcissists. I mean just look at how often they're encouraged to not read comic source material or play the video game that the movie is based on.
How come Dick Donner figured out the perfect tone for these movies in 1976-1977 and everyone just kind of ignores that and tries to establish their own tone?
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (1wjle)
Because Hollywood is full of narcissists. I mean just look at how often they're encouraged to not read comic source material or play the video game that the movie is based on.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (3tZV2)
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They could do a Bored of the Rings major motion picture. That could be new.
Also, and, I know, I'm setting myself up for disappointment, yep, but I'm really hoping Space Balls 2 doesn't suck. Really holding out hope it might be slightly enjoyable. Not a clap-back affirmation of The Message. Could it be funny instead? I'm asking for so little really. I'll be disappointed.
Also, and, I know, I'm setting myself up for disappointment, yep, but I'm really hoping Space Balls 2 doesn't suck. Really holding out hope it might be slightly enjoyable. Not a clap-back affirmation of The Message. Could it be funny instead? I'm asking for so little really. I'll be disappointed.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (3uBP9)
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141 @135
>>The Richard Donner Superman is not a good movie.
Ok Zoomer.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (XV/Pl)
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The middle third is tonal whiplash. The final third makes no sense.
The first third is great.
>>The Richard Donner Superman is not a good movie.
Ok Zoomer.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (XV/Pl)
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The middle third is tonal whiplash. The final third makes no sense.
The first third is great.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (GBKbO)
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18 "he'll remake CNN into a fair and balanced network."
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Read: Fox News
Or in other words, leftarded.
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Read: Fox News
Or in other words, leftarded.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (U6Usv)
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And if we're wish casting future IP, I'd like to request a Buck Rogers reboot so cheesy, so saucy you can stream it on the Taco Bell value menu.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (pIfcn)
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I tried to post something about BB. Enraging the spam filter.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (eEIbO)
...Bugs Bunny?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (eEIbO)
...Bugs Bunny?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (zjgNU)
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124 i bought Superman when it was on sale but turned it off after eight minutes. I still haven't watched it. It just seemed so dumb.
How come Dick Donner figured out the perfect tone for these movies in 1976-1977 and everyone just kind of ignores that and tries to establish their own tone?
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (1wjle)
That's fair. The opening of Superman tells you what kind of movie this is going to be. If you can't tolerate (or love) a super powered terrier, you're not going to vibe with The Justice Gang or Mister Terriffic.
How come Dick Donner figured out the perfect tone for these movies in 1976-1977 and everyone just kind of ignores that and tries to establish their own tone?
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:52 PM (1wjle)
That's fair. The opening of Superman tells you what kind of movie this is going to be. If you can't tolerate (or love) a super powered terrier, you're not going to vibe with The Justice Gang or Mister Terriffic.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (xcxpd)
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Also, and, I know, I'm setting myself up for disappointment, yep, but I'm really hoping Space Balls 2 doesn't suck. Really holding out hope it might be slightly enjoyable. Not a clap-back affirmation of The Message. Could it be funny instead? I'm asking for so little really. I'll be disappointed.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (3uBP9)
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You will. Sorry.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (3uBP9)
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You will. Sorry.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (DRSnL)
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>>>The middle third is tonal whiplash.
because of Lex Luthor?
>>>The final third makes no sense.
Huh? I mean, I don't buy the travel in time thing but it "makes sense."
because of Lex Luthor?
>>>The final third makes no sense.
Huh? I mean, I don't buy the travel in time thing but it "makes sense."
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (1wjle)
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If big screen televisions and streaming were invented 100 years ago, there would be no theaters. They were a compromise; sit in a crowded room with rude people if you want to see a movie.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (MCtb9)
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The last American auteur was Russ Meyer.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (0sNs1)
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157 That's fair. The opening of Superman tells you what kind of movie this is going to be. If you can't tolerate (or love) a super powered terrier, you're not going to vibe with The Justice Gang or Mister Terriffic.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (xcxpd)
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If I had my channel up and running at the time, I would have done another way too drunk thing about it.
And it would have made just as much sense as the one I did for Train Dreams.
My mother came to visit and she insulted me pretty deeply for that video.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (xcxpd)
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If I had my channel up and running at the time, I would have done another way too drunk thing about it.
And it would have made just as much sense as the one I did for Train Dreams.
My mother came to visit and she insulted me pretty deeply for that video.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (GBKbO)
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Non woke Battlestar Galactica. Couldn't a planet host thousands of vipers?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (eEIbO)
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Best we can hope for there is benign neglect, Netflix just tossing money at creative directors and leaving them alone. But that is a best case fairy tale.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (xcxpd)
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Well, they do do that.
Who cares if $120 million will turn a profit when handing it to Guillermo del Toro? Just give him the money, make his Frankenstein, and hope its good enough to buy an Oscar with (that Netflix hasn't won a Best Picture Oscar yet entertains me, but Apple did with freaking CODA).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (GBKbO)
That is where my optimism comes from. My pessimism comes from 'Cuties'.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (xcxpd)
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Well, they do do that.
Who cares if $120 million will turn a profit when handing it to Guillermo del Toro? Just give him the money, make his Frankenstein, and hope its good enough to buy an Oscar with (that Netflix hasn't won a Best Picture Oscar yet entertains me, but Apple did with freaking CODA).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:56 PM (GBKbO)
That is where my optimism comes from. My pessimism comes from 'Cuties'.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (xcxpd)
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I never could figure that one out why he was omitted. It's been awhile since I read the book, so I'm probably all mixed up, but wasn't he the dude that kinda saved the hobbits the first time they ran across the Ring Wraiths? I kind of thought that was somewhat of an important event that wasn't in the movie.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (snZF9)
Barrow Wight, not ring wraiths.
Older evil creatures. Tom is there to note that the whole of middle earth is MUCH older than the rings and the ring is not all powerful.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2025 02:55 PM (snZF9)
Barrow Wight, not ring wraiths.
Older evil creatures. Tom is there to note that the whole of middle earth is MUCH older than the rings and the ring is not all powerful.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (zjgNU)
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Mel Blanc's son took over some of the character voice work.
Did a good Bugs Bunny but nobody can do Porky Pig anymore.
Mel Blanc's son took over some of the character voice work.
Did a good Bugs Bunny but nobody can do Porky Pig anymore.
Posted by: Auspex at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (Y8DZL)
167
I'd like to see Ellison win just to see if news and entertainment improves, but I don't see how you do that without crazy, massive purges at every level. Would that happen? Anyone see a difference yet with Bari Weiss's CBS News?
I'd like to see Ellison win just to see if news and entertainment improves, but I don't see how you do that without crazy, massive purges at every level. Would that happen? Anyone see a difference yet with Bari Weiss's CBS News?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (flA4V)
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Right. Spam filter is loose $hit.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (eEIbO)
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Spaceballs will be dumb and woke with an overture of not being dumb and woke. How are they gonna make making fun of Star Wars funny at this point? There's only one way and no one is going after Disney.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (U6Usv)
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>>>f you can't tolerate (or love) a super powered terrier,
I was down to see Krypto. With all of the Superman Robots and the kaiju and Lex Luthor chewing the scenery, it was just too cartoony for me.
that's why I mentioned Donner. His watchword was "verisimilitude." Gunn didn't bother trying that. He went full 1950s cartoony.
I was down to see Krypto. With all of the Superman Robots and the kaiju and Lex Luthor chewing the scenery, it was just too cartoony for me.
that's why I mentioned Donner. His watchword was "verisimilitude." Gunn didn't bother trying that. He went full 1950s cartoony.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (1wjle)
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The opening of Superman tells you what kind of movie this is going to be. If you can't tolerate (or love) a super powered terrier, you're not going to vibe with The Justice Gang or Mister Terriffic.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (xcxpd)
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If I had my channel up and running at the time, I would have done another way too drunk thing about it.
And it would have made just as much sense as the one I did for Train Dreams.
My mother came to visit and she insulted me pretty deeply for that video.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (GBKbO)
Ouch. Well, she's your mom. She can get away with that. I'm still temped by Train Dreams, Eggars is a real filmmaker.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (xcxpd)
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If I had my channel up and running at the time, I would have done another way too drunk thing about it.
And it would have made just as much sense as the one I did for Train Dreams.
My mother came to visit and she insulted me pretty deeply for that video.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (GBKbO)
Ouch. Well, she's your mom. She can get away with that. I'm still temped by Train Dreams, Eggars is a real filmmaker.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (xcxpd)
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You will. Sorry.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (DRSnL)
But Brooks PROMISED it would be good!
You will. Sorry.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (DRSnL)
But Brooks PROMISED it would be good!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (Zz0t1)
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159 >>>The middle third is tonal whiplash.
because of Lex Luthor?
>>>The final third makes no sense.
Huh? I mean, I don't buy the travel in time thing but it "makes sense."
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (1wjle)
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Because of Luthor's henchmen. It shifts from John Ford-esque Americana to silly comedy, and I kind of hate it.
The final third's entire emotional connection is based on a New York City reporter going to the American southwest to investigate a story no one thinks is a story, plus, you know, Superman turning back time *hand wave* Lois is fine now.
I'm sorry, but Superman is just...not good.
because of Lex Luthor?
>>>The final third makes no sense.
Huh? I mean, I don't buy the travel in time thing but it "makes sense."
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (1wjle)
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Because of Luthor's henchmen. It shifts from John Ford-esque Americana to silly comedy, and I kind of hate it.
The final third's entire emotional connection is based on a New York City reporter going to the American southwest to investigate a story no one thinks is a story, plus, you know, Superman turning back time *hand wave* Lois is fine now.
I'm sorry, but Superman is just...not good.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (GBKbO)
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I keep running across various info-graphs claiming hard blue states like MA, IL, CT, or NY are the "best places to live" in America.
And people keep pointing out...then why are people moving OUT of those states to the ones rated lower?
And people keep pointing out...then why are people moving OUT of those states to the ones rated lower?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (sKqQm)
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I have a 75" tv with sound bar and subwoofer in my family room. Going out to the movie theater is not terribly attractive to us. Why, put simply.
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (Tbj3s)
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Donner’s Superman got the tone exactly right, from Krypton, to Smallville, to Metropolis. One might quibble about making Lex Luthor into a Disney villain but it still worked. The biggest problem with making a modern Superman movie is that the people who want to *see* the movie want to see the traditional version brought to life, and the people who want to *make* the movie want to subvert the traditional. For me, Gunn hit more than he missed while Snyder’s take on Superman and Batman was pure shit that would embarrass even a thirteen year old edge lord.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (gYnrv)
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And it would have made just as much sense as the one I did for Train Dreams.
My mother came to visit and she insulted me pretty deeply for that video.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (GBKbO)
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Whatever, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
My mother came to visit and she insulted me pretty deeply for that video.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (GBKbO)
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Whatever, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (DRSnL)
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and yeah I know the Superman Robots were part of the Silver Age superman package
and giant monsters too
but... all at once? All in ten minutes?
and giant monsters too
but... all at once? All in ten minutes?
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:00 PM (1wjle)
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I don't know anything about Ellison.
However, I know Netflix:
-made Cuties (this should have them publicly executed, let alone buying companies)
-have also made, completely coincidently a lot of woke and race swapped shit.
However, I know Netflix:
-made Cuties (this should have them publicly executed, let alone buying companies)
-have also made, completely coincidently a lot of woke and race swapped shit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:00 PM (zZu0s)
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Bugs Bunny. IP expired?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:00 PM (eEIbO)
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If big screen televisions and streaming were invented 100 years ago, there would be no theaters. They were a compromise; sit in a crowded room with rude people if you want to see a movie.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (MCtb9)
100 years ago there were consequences to being rude in public.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2025 02:57 PM (MCtb9)
100 years ago there were consequences to being rude in public.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 03:00 PM (zjgNU)
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I still don't understand how anyone could screw up
the Dark Phoenix saga. That's when I lost faith.
the Dark Phoenix saga. That's when I lost faith.
Posted by: Fen at December 09, 2025 03:00 PM (ciYHQ)
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Right. Spam filter is loose $hit.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (eEIbO)
You'll need to make sure there's no special characters and it's not over the character limit, for one.....two. I've had to replace commas and apostrophes in the past.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (eEIbO)
You'll need to make sure there's no special characters and it's not over the character limit, for one.....two. I've had to replace commas and apostrophes in the past.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
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at some point they'll do a remake. Which isn't as cash-grabby as it sounds, because presumably the remake will be more book-accurate, with maybe each of the three LOTR films split into two.
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It will be redone using AI. No actors.
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It will be redone using AI. No actors.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 09, 2025 03:00 PM (Wg6v7)
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171 Ouch. Well, she's your mom. She can get away with that. I'm still temped by Train Dreams, Eggars is a real filmmaker.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (xcxpd)
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It was good. I remember it pretty clearly.
I still don't know what I was trying to say, though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (xcxpd)
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It was good. I remember it pretty clearly.
I still don't know what I was trying to say, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:00 PM (GBKbO)
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I heard they were releasing a upscaled, but deLucas-ed version of star wars in the theaters. I guess they're at the "I'll do whatever dirty thing you want because I need the money" whore phase.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2025 03:00 PM (3uBP9)
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Looking forward to Casablanca being remade with full diversity.
Posted by: Cray Cray at December 09, 2025 03:00 PM (mEYGy)
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I see Disney has extended Kimmel's show for another year..
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
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>>>186 I heard they were releasing a upscaled, but deLucas-ed version of star wars in the theaters. I guess they're at the "I'll do whatever dirty thing you want because I need the money" whore phase.
i heard that but I think it's an unconfirmed rumor
i heard that but I think it's an unconfirmed rumor
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (1wjle)
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I post very short stuff. Nothing weird. Must be indian programners.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (eEIbO)
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188 I see Disney has extended Kimmel's show for another year..
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
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Gotta keep Pedro Pascal happy.
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
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Gotta keep Pedro Pascal happy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (GBKbO)
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>>>188 I see Disney has extended Kimmel's show for another year..
oh right I have to post about that. what crap.
oh right I have to post about that. what crap.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (1wjle)
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I see Disney has extended Kimmel's show for another year..
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
Good. They'll keep losing millions for it.
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
Good. They'll keep losing millions for it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (Zz0t1)
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170 >>>If you can't tolerate (or love) a super powered terrier,
I was down to see Krypto. With all of the Superman Robots and the kaiju and Lex Luthor chewing the scenery, it was just too cartoony for me.
that's why I mentioned Donner. His watchword was "verisimilitude." Gunn didn't bother trying that. He went full 1950s cartoony.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (1wjle)
And I was ok with that. More so than when Donner had Superman rewind time by...flying around the Earth to reverse it's rotation...that was more jarring because up until then, things were 'super hero grounded'.
I actually like Nick Hoult's version of Lex quite a bit. He treats people better than previous Lex incarnations (mostly....he can be a dick).
I was down to see Krypto. With all of the Superman Robots and the kaiju and Lex Luthor chewing the scenery, it was just too cartoony for me.
that's why I mentioned Donner. His watchword was "verisimilitude." Gunn didn't bother trying that. He went full 1950s cartoony.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 02:59 PM (1wjle)
And I was ok with that. More so than when Donner had Superman rewind time by...flying around the Earth to reverse it's rotation...that was more jarring because up until then, things were 'super hero grounded'.
I actually like Nick Hoult's version of Lex quite a bit. He treats people better than previous Lex incarnations (mostly....he can be a dick).
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (xcxpd)
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188 I see Disney has extended Kimmel's show for another year..
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
Well, donna, they are dumbasses, and a diversity nonprofit.
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
Well, donna, they are dumbasses, and a diversity nonprofit.
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (Tbj3s)
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189 >>>186 I heard they were releasing a upscaled, but deLucas-ed version of star wars in the theaters. I guess they're at the "I'll do whatever dirty thing you want because I need the money" whore phase.
i heard that but I think it's an unconfirmed rumor
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (1wjle)
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I would hope there's no upscaling.
Just negative scanning at 8K, output to 4K should do it.
i heard that but I think it's an unconfirmed rumor
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (1wjle)
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I would hope there's no upscaling.
Just negative scanning at 8K, output to 4K should do it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (GBKbO)
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191 188 I see Disney has extended Kimmel's show for another year..
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
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Gotta keep Pedro Pascal happy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (GBKbO)
Isn't that what the Sri Lankan houseboys are for?
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
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Gotta keep Pedro Pascal happy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (GBKbO)
Isn't that what the Sri Lankan houseboys are for?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (xcxpd)
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@153
>>The middle third is tonal whiplash. The final third makes no sense. The first third is great.
The film is 100 pct coherent within it's own narrative structure and within the confines of a 1950's comic book come to life.
It's also the best superhero film, or second best, I'm torn between that and TDK.
I also saw KB: TWBA this weekend.
Kill Bill is my favorite Tarantino film, but there is something off-putting about directors chicken f**king their creations.
Sometimes two halves are better than a whole.
>>The middle third is tonal whiplash. The final third makes no sense. The first third is great.
The film is 100 pct coherent within it's own narrative structure and within the confines of a 1950's comic book come to life.
It's also the best superhero film, or second best, I'm torn between that and TDK.
I also saw KB: TWBA this weekend.
Kill Bill is my favorite Tarantino film, but there is something off-putting about directors chicken f**king their creations.
Sometimes two halves are better than a whole.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 03:03 PM (XV/Pl)
199
They need to throw the I P miners to the wolves.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:03 PM (eEIbO)
200
197
Gotta keep Pedro Pascal happy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (GBKbO)
Isn't that what the Sri Lankan houseboys are for?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (xcxpd)
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So...you're saying that Pedro Pascal is Arthur C. Clarke?
Gotta keep Pedro Pascal happy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (GBKbO)
Isn't that what the Sri Lankan houseboys are for?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (xcxpd)
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So...you're saying that Pedro Pascal is Arthur C. Clarke?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:03 PM (GBKbO)
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First twitter.
Next Warner Bros.
Next Warner Bros.
Posted by: Counter reformation at December 09, 2025 03:04 PM (/wYAD)
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Netflix will destroy the movie theaters. It is in their interest to destroy the movie theaters.
We need to get rid of the law than banned distributers and movie production houses form owning movie theaters. And most content producers need to ditch their on-line businesses. Get back to a system where Netflix PAYS YOU to show your content. Where customers PAY YOU to watch content. Studios can never compete with Netflix and Amazon. It just isn't possible. Make content, own content, rent content. Hopefully rent the same content over and over to a variety of on-line platforms and consumers.
We need to get rid of the law than banned distributers and movie production houses form owning movie theaters. And most content producers need to ditch their on-line businesses. Get back to a system where Netflix PAYS YOU to show your content. Where customers PAY YOU to watch content. Studios can never compete with Netflix and Amazon. It just isn't possible. Make content, own content, rent content. Hopefully rent the same content over and over to a variety of on-line platforms and consumers.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:04 PM (C3IAS)
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Barrow Wight, not ring wraiths.
Older evil creatures. Tom is there to note that the whole of middle earth is MUCH older than the rings and the ring is not all powerful.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (zjgNU)
Ah ok. I think I'm starting to remember. Didn't they end up with some cool swords after that? Barrow blades maybe? I seem to remembering that. I just remember when I saw the movie I was shocked that the whole thing wasn't shown.
Older evil creatures. Tom is there to note that the whole of middle earth is MUCH older than the rings and the ring is not all powerful.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 02:58 PM (zjgNU)
Ah ok. I think I'm starting to remember. Didn't they end up with some cool swords after that? Barrow blades maybe? I seem to remembering that. I just remember when I saw the movie I was shocked that the whole thing wasn't shown.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2025 03:04 PM (snZF9)
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202 We need to get rid of the law than banned distributers and movie production houses form owning movie theaters. And most content producers need to ditch their on-line businesses. Get back to a system where Netflix PAYS YOU to show your content. Where customers PAY YOU to watch content. Studios can never compete with Netflix and Amazon. It just isn't possible. Make content, own content, rent content. Hopefully rent the same content over and over to a variety of on-line platforms and consumers.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:04 PM (C3IAS)
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1. There was no law. It was a DOJ Decree. It was the Paramount Accords.
2. The DOJ struck them out under Trump's first term.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:04 PM (C3IAS)
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1. There was no law. It was a DOJ Decree. It was the Paramount Accords.
2. The DOJ struck them out under Trump's first term.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:05 PM (GBKbO)
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It just isn't possible. Make content, own content, rent content. Hopefully rent the same content over and over to a variety of on-line platforms and consumers.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:04 PM (C3IAS)
Make Blockbuster Great Again.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:04 PM (C3IAS)
Make Blockbuster Great Again.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:05 PM (Zz0t1)
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As long as the free Netfli stay online.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:05 PM (eEIbO)
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Best we can hope for there is benign neglect, Netflix just tossing money at creative directors and leaving them alone. But that is a best case fairy tale.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (xcxpd)
Netflix keeps going WAY out of its way to make everything gay and tranny. Take their recent release "Wayward" which could have been an interesting mix of Shiny Happy People meets Disturbing Behavior. BUT the lead just HAD to be a post-op women with her tits chopped off trying to be a man, married to a pregnant lesbian woman, and playing this off like it's a totally routine everyday thing. What the actual fuck?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 02:54 PM (xcxpd)
Netflix keeps going WAY out of its way to make everything gay and tranny. Take their recent release "Wayward" which could have been an interesting mix of Shiny Happy People meets Disturbing Behavior. BUT the lead just HAD to be a post-op women with her tits chopped off trying to be a man, married to a pregnant lesbian woman, and playing this off like it's a totally routine everyday thing. What the actual fuck?
Posted by: Don't show me that shit like it's normal at December 09, 2025 03:05 PM (TbWk/)
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Netflix put out an email to subscribers this weekend talking about how excited they were to work on WB franchises, including Casablanca. People were having fun with that on X since it's *not* a franchise.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (2ocoG)
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@200TJM , odd that What was Arthur C Clarke doing in Sri Lanka never got any interest
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (D+mpw)
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The Superman of the day in the 70s routinely traveled in time, including the comics Donner read as a kid, so having a time travel deus ex machina was not as out of left field as it might seem now. The real problem with the time travel ending is that it was originally planned as the grand ending for the second movie and was moved up to the first movie because they didn’t have a strong ending and the Salkinds were in the process of firing Donner.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (gYnrv)
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The Thai-Cambodian conflict continues to heat up with at least 20 total deaths today alone, with thousands queuing for aid at sites like Chroy Neang Ngourn Pagoda (Cambodia) and racetracks (Thailand). No toxic gas or chemical attacks verified, despite unconfirmed Cambodian claims
Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (EMg+d)
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I see Disney has extended Kimmel's show for another year..
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
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One of my coworkers the other day told me she can see the resemblance and I wanted to sock her.
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
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One of my coworkers the other day told me she can see the resemblance and I wanted to sock her.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (DRSnL)
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i heard that but I think it's an unconfirmed rumor
Posted by: ace
Doubt it. Lucas 'burned' as many prints as he could, and I have a deep suspicion one of the points of the Diz-knee contract was that it could never be released in any format.
Posted by: ace
Doubt it. Lucas 'burned' as many prints as he could, and I have a deep suspicion one of the points of the Diz-knee contract was that it could never be released in any format.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (mlg/3)
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186 I heard they were releasing a upscaled, but deLucas-ed version of star wars in the theaters. I guess they're at the "I'll do whatever dirty thing you want because I need the money" whore phase.
Posted by: banana Dream
Gotta pay for money losing Kimmel's show and salary for another year. Disney is going the be last at dumping devalued cable/broadcast because Iger is incapable of cutting off limbs of the conglomerate he made. So it is simply treading water. Disney should dump Iger and get someone in to up shareholder value (dumping toxic assets and putting a muzzle on Kathleen and her assorted alphabet crew.
But those same alphabet crew are embedded into Disney at a low level to the extent a newcomer trying to change corporate culture and divest dying assets is a longshot.
Posted by: banana Dream
Gotta pay for money losing Kimmel's show and salary for another year. Disney is going the be last at dumping devalued cable/broadcast because Iger is incapable of cutting off limbs of the conglomerate he made. So it is simply treading water. Disney should dump Iger and get someone in to up shareholder value (dumping toxic assets and putting a muzzle on Kathleen and her assorted alphabet crew.
But those same alphabet crew are embedded into Disney at a low level to the extent a newcomer trying to change corporate culture and divest dying assets is a longshot.
Posted by: whig at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (WDjG6)
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Ah ok. I think I'm starting to remember. Didn't they end up with some cool swords after that? Barrow blades maybe? I seem to remembering that. I just remember when I saw the movie I was shocked that the whole thing wasn't shown.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2025 03:04 PM (snZF9)
Yep. Ancient swords made by the people of Numenor. (Frodo lost his in the battle on Weathertop.) It's part of why Merry's sword was able to harm the Witch King of Angmar.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2025 03:04 PM (snZF9)
Yep. Ancient swords made by the people of Numenor. (Frodo lost his in the battle on Weathertop.) It's part of why Merry's sword was able to harm the Witch King of Angmar.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (zjgNU)
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Theaters are unpleasant on a couple of levels. Price, and the people one encounters there.
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (Tbj3s)
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216 Theaters are unpleasant on a couple of levels. Price, and the people one encounters there.
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (Tbj3s)
And the movies suck
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (Tbj3s)
And the movies suck
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (VE6XX)
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216 Theaters are unpleasant on a couple of levels. Price, and the people one encounters there.
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (Tbj3s)
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I went to the theaters a couple of weeks ago.
Had a good time.
Except the movie. Wicked for Good. It was bad.
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (Tbj3s)
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I went to the theaters a couple of weeks ago.
Had a good time.
Except the movie. Wicked for Good. It was bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (GBKbO)
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212 I see Disney has extended Kimmel's show for another year..
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
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One of my coworkers the other day told me she can see the resemblance and I wanted to sock her.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (DRSnL)
You look like Jimmy Kimmel?
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
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One of my coworkers the other day told me she can see the resemblance and I wanted to sock her.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (DRSnL)
You look like Jimmy Kimmel?
Posted by: Seems...unlikely at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (TbWk/)
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Disney is saying they renewed Kimmel for another year because they didn't want to coincide with Colbert being tossed in the same month.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:08 PM (Zz0t1)
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BUT the lead just HAD to be a post-op women with her tits chopped off trying to be a man, married to a pregnant lesbian woman, and playing this off like it's a totally routine everyday thing. What the actual fuck?
That's when you need a hotkey for the "Gaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy!" meme.
That's when you need a hotkey for the "Gaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy!" meme.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2025 03:08 PM (2ocoG)
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You look like Jimmy Kimmel?
Posted by: Seems...unlikely at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (TbWk/)
Not by ANY stretch.
You look like Jimmy Kimmel?
Posted by: Seems...unlikely at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (TbWk/)
Not by ANY stretch.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:08 PM (Zz0t1)
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The failure of the Han Solo movie seemed to get Disney's attention.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:08 PM (eEIbO)
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220 Disney is saying they renewed Kimmel for another year because they didn't want to coincide with Colbert being tossed in the same month.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:08 PM (Zz0t1)
LOL
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:08 PM (Zz0t1)
LOL
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:08 PM (VE6XX)
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The best way to see Kill Bill is to buy a ticket and then eat your .45 so that you can go out knowing you at least dodged one bullet.
Posted by: Uma's Feet Are Nightmarish at December 09, 2025 03:08 PM (C24tU)
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216 Theaters are unpleasant on a couple of levels. Price, and the people one encounters there.
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Sticky floors, too.
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Sticky floors, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 09, 2025 03:08 PM (Wg6v7)
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IIRC there is at least one intact print of the first theatrical release of the 1977 movie Star Wars. It lacks the Episode IV and New Hope additions. And it is in Britain.
So, if one print exists, others probably do.
So, if one print exists, others probably do.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (2GVsD)
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Anyway, I can't really argue with anyone who bounced off Superman 2025. I can see how it would turn people off. For me, it set my expectations and then SLIGHTLY exceeded them. The movie has flaws but it also has Metamorpho and Mister Terrific...and Supergirl being a hot Thott and Krypto being a very good dog (when he's not being a butt).
More good than bad for me.
More good than bad for me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (xcxpd)
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Theaters are unpleasant on a couple of levels. Price, and the people one encounters there.
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (Tbj3s)
Theaters get zero money from ticket sales, therefore, the only way for them to stay afloat is to overcharge for everything else.
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (Tbj3s)
Theaters get zero money from ticket sales, therefore, the only way for them to stay afloat is to overcharge for everything else.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (Zz0t1)
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Train Dreams was good.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (emBoF)
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What Disney failed to tell Kimmel is that he has to start wearing a Sleepy the Dwarf costume when he does his monologue.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (SzhuW)
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odd that What was Arthur C Clarke doing in Sri Lanka never got any interest
I remember reading the testimony of someone that had been a British boy living next to Clarke's estate in Sri Lanka.
His father had banned Clarke from their property but one day while the father was out the boy was left with another relative. An uncle maybe?
Clarke came over and charmed the uncle then got him drunk and proceeded to convince the boy to let Clarke paint him. Naked of course.
And then, fortunately, the father returned home early and put a stop to the whole thing
So Clarke's pedophilia was known about the British overseas community certainly...
I remember reading the testimony of someone that had been a British boy living next to Clarke's estate in Sri Lanka.
His father had banned Clarke from their property but one day while the father was out the boy was left with another relative. An uncle maybe?
Clarke came over and charmed the uncle then got him drunk and proceeded to convince the boy to let Clarke paint him. Naked of course.
And then, fortunately, the father returned home early and put a stop to the whole thing
So Clarke's pedophilia was known about the British overseas community certainly...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (sKqQm)
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229 Theaters get zero money from ticket sales, therefore, the only way for them to stay afloat is to overcharge for everything else.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (Zz0t1)
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They get roughly 40% of ticket sales over the life of a movie.
Early weeks are more advantageous for the studios.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (Zz0t1)
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They get roughly 40% of ticket sales over the life of a movie.
Early weeks are more advantageous for the studios.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (GBKbO)
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I thought yheatres got something like half boxoffice?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (eEIbO)
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They get roughly 40% of ticket sales over the life of a movie.
Early weeks are more advantageous for the studios.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (GBKbO)
Damn internet lied to me AGAIN!!!!!
They get roughly 40% of ticket sales over the life of a movie.
Early weeks are more advantageous for the studios.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (GBKbO)
Damn internet lied to me AGAIN!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (Zz0t1)
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211 The Thai-Cambodian conflict continues to heat up with at least 20 total deaths today alone, with thousands queuing for aid at sites like Chroy Neang Ngourn Pagoda (Cambodia) and racetracks (Thailand). No toxic gas or chemical attacks verified, despite unconfirmed Cambodian claims
Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (EMg+d)
Jah, Pax Americaus (if it ever existed) is long gone. We're going back to the old ways, which is frequent border conflicts.
Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (EMg+d)
Jah, Pax Americaus (if it ever existed) is long gone. We're going back to the old ways, which is frequent border conflicts.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (xcxpd)
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Superman 2025 was good, not great, it was essentially Smallville without Michael Rosenbaum or Tom Schneider.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (XV/Pl)
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You look like Jimmy Kimmel?
Posted by: Seems...unlikely at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (TbWk/)
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I don't think so. I don't resemble anyone on that side of the family. I take after my dad's side.
Posted by: Seems...unlikely at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (TbWk/)
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I don't think so. I don't resemble anyone on that side of the family. I take after my dad's side.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (DRSnL)
Posted by: thug dolphin at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (EyfuW)
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Theaters are unpleasant on a couple of levels. Price, and the people one encounters there.
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Sticky floors, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead
That's the adult theaters.
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Sticky floors, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead
That's the adult theaters.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (bvUs5)
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Who doesn't want Netflix the Obamas and Susan Rice giving us and our children MOAR LGBTQIAWTFBBQ+PEDO streaming pissing content?
Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (H4k+z)
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Whose side we on here?
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (gDlxJ)
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They get roughly 40% of ticket sales over the life of a movie.
Early weeks are more advantageous for the studios.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (GBKbO)
Damn internet lied to me AGAIN!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (Zz0t1)
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Contracts are written per movie, so it depends, but the most advantageous I've heard is Star Wars Episode I getting 90% of first week sales.
I imagine Marvel was getting something like that through 2020 or so.
They get roughly 40% of ticket sales over the life of a movie.
Early weeks are more advantageous for the studios.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (GBKbO)
Damn internet lied to me AGAIN!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:10 PM (Zz0t1)
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Contracts are written per movie, so it depends, but the most advantageous I've heard is Star Wars Episode I getting 90% of first week sales.
I imagine Marvel was getting something like that through 2020 or so.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (GBKbO)
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>>>Ah ok. I think I'm starting to remember. Didn't they end up with some cool swords after that? Barrow blades maybe? I seem to remembering that. I just remember when I saw the movie I was shocked that the whole thing wasn't shown.
yes. that's the sequence I'm most bothered to see cut. They had to cut it because Tom Bombadil saves them, and they didn't want Tom Bombadil.
It causes some plot problems because Merry uses the blade he got from that tomb to stab the Witch King. In the movie, they have Galadriel present Merry and Pippin with (presumably blessed) blades that wind up being used.
yes. that's the sequence I'm most bothered to see cut. They had to cut it because Tom Bombadil saves them, and they didn't want Tom Bombadil.
It causes some plot problems because Merry uses the blade he got from that tomb to stab the Witch King. In the movie, they have Galadriel present Merry and Pippin with (presumably blessed) blades that wind up being used.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (1wjle)
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Sticky floors, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead
That's the adult theaters.
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Its both. Soft drinks and cream.
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Sticky floors, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead
That's the adult theaters.
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Its both. Soft drinks and cream.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 09, 2025 03:12 PM (Wg6v7)
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So the percentage changes week to week. Overseas the theatres got a better deal.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:12 PM (eEIbO)
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Well, if the theaters are getting 40% and STILL charge $12 for a soda, they can GFY.
I'm justified in never going to the theater, the bastards.
I'm justified in never going to the theater, the bastards.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:12 PM (Zz0t1)
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Netflix keeps going WAY out of its way to make everything gay and tranny. Take their recent release "Wayward" which could have been an interesting mix of Shiny Happy People meets Disturbing Behavior. BUT the lead just HAD to be a post-op women with her tits chopped off trying to be a man, married to a pregnant lesbian woman, and playing this off like it's a totally routine everyday thing. What the actual fuck?
Posted by: Don't show me that shit like it's normal at December 09, 2025 03:05 PM (TbWk/)
You have reminded me why I cancelled Netflix.
Posted by: Don't show me that shit like it's normal at December 09, 2025 03:05 PM (TbWk/)
You have reminded me why I cancelled Netflix.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:12 PM (xcxpd)
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238 You look like Jimmy Kimmel?
Posted by: Seems...unlikely at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (TbWk/)
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I don't think so. I don't resemble anyone on that side of the family. I take after my dad's side.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (DRSnL)
Pipe down, Jimmy!
Posted by: Seems...unlikely at December 09, 2025 03:07 PM (TbWk/)
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I don't think so. I don't resemble anyone on that side of the family. I take after my dad's side.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (DRSnL)
Pipe down, Jimmy!
Posted by: I Don't Understand What's Happening at December 09, 2025 03:12 PM (xnXsP)
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"keep running across various info-graphs claiming hard blue states like MA, IL, CT, or NY are the "best places to live" in America."
The Left crafts alternate realities by assertion. Think of it as maintenance. They know blue states suck, hence the extra effort they spend fluffing them up. All those fake stats are for them not you. It's like a spell. To convince themselves m
The Left crafts alternate realities by assertion. Think of it as maintenance. They know blue states suck, hence the extra effort they spend fluffing them up. All those fake stats are for them not you. It's like a spell. To convince themselves m
Posted by: Fen at December 09, 2025 03:12 PM (ciYHQ)
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The Library of Congress has a 1977 theatrical print.
Maybe Trump can be enlisted to help de-shitify Star Wars.
Maybe Trump can be enlisted to help de-shitify Star Wars.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 03:12 PM (XV/Pl)
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Movie theater popcorn IS good though.
Posted by: tubal at December 09, 2025 03:12 PM (Tbj3s)
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I would rather WB remain an independent entity, but short of that I would much rather Paramount get it than Netflix.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 03:13 PM (gYnrv)
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I don't begin to understand this,Ace. My tiny brain is selective in absorbing information. I failed 9th grade algebra to go on to an A in college trig, for example. If I don't like it I mostly ignore it, in my career as well (I disliked ortho and psych nursing, but aced the tests to be done with the subjects).
We don't go to theaters for movies and do have Netflix and (briefly) others for streaming. The one exemtion may be Mel Gibson's new movies, but we'll probably wait for those as well. We did see the Passion of Christ in the theater.
That said, it seems since the second or 100th writer's strike in Hollyweird there has been a void in good movies. It is very rare to see one for us. Is it this generation of writers? Drug addled brains? Always with the need for racism and ghey insertions? Stars spewing politics and gheyness? No imaginaition due to all of these questions?
Interesting twist that they are involving Trump in the negotiations. Reeks of desperation.
We don't go to theaters for movies and do have Netflix and (briefly) others for streaming. The one exemtion may be Mel Gibson's new movies, but we'll probably wait for those as well. We did see the Passion of Christ in the theater.
That said, it seems since the second or 100th writer's strike in Hollyweird there has been a void in good movies. It is very rare to see one for us. Is it this generation of writers? Drug addled brains? Always with the need for racism and ghey insertions? Stars spewing politics and gheyness? No imaginaition due to all of these questions?
Interesting twist that they are involving Trump in the negotiations. Reeks of desperation.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at December 09, 2025 03:13 PM (WONhk)
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242 Whose side we on here?
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (gDlxJ)
I am not altogether on anybody's side, as nobody is altogether on my side.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (gDlxJ)
I am not altogether on anybody's side, as nobody is altogether on my side.
Posted by: Not treebeard, just quoting him at December 09, 2025 03:13 PM (TbWk/)
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Is it within Trump's purview to approve the deal? I thought that was the role of the FTC.
Posted by: Halfhand at December 09, 2025 03:13 PM (F061L)
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255 I am not altogether on anybody's side, as nobody is altogether on my side.
Posted by: Not treebeard, just quoting him at December 09, 2025 03:13 PM (TbWk/)
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You sound just like CS Lewis.
Weird.
Posted by: Not treebeard, just quoting him at December 09, 2025 03:13 PM (TbWk/)
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You sound just like CS Lewis.
Weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (GBKbO)
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Looking forward to Casablanca being remade with full diversity.
Posted by: Cray Cray
Put me down for "Sam is now both black *and* gay and has an on-camera fling with the Russian bartender who kisses Rick after he lets that refugee win at roulette" for $100
Posted by: Cray Cray
Put me down for "Sam is now both black *and* gay and has an on-camera fling with the Russian bartender who kisses Rick after he lets that refugee win at roulette" for $100
Posted by: Chuck C at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (D0HYP)
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Netflix is probably salivating at rebooting The Animaniacs as a live action furry pron starring Minerva Mink.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (2GVsD)
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i just saw a movie at an alamo drafthouse. The movie was terrible -- Wake Up Dead Man, the knives out sequel, don't pay money to see it -- but man, did I enjoy the theater itself.
they show a lot of older movies like the LOTR movies. I'm going to have to get back there!
they show a lot of older movies like the LOTR movies. I'm going to have to get back there!
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (1wjle)
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Theaters get zero money from ticket sales, therefore, the only way for them to stay afloat is to overcharge for everything else.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (Zz0t1)
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Is that so? Then things have changed, as it used to generally be a 50-50 split between the theater company and the studio/distribution company. Disney did it differently, where on their big releases the theatre got the first 15%, then had to give up 85% of the take thereafter.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (Zz0t1)
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Is that so? Then things have changed, as it used to generally be a 50-50 split between the theater company and the studio/distribution company. Disney did it differently, where on their big releases the theatre got the first 15%, then had to give up 85% of the take thereafter.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (SzhuW)
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Opening weeks can be as much as 70 to 90 % for the movie company. Theatres losing @ss.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (eEIbO)
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I am not altogether on anybody's side, as nobody is altogether on my side.
Posted by: Not treebeard, just quoting him at December 09, 2025 03:13 PM (TbWk/)
You're always first when no one is on your side.
Posted by: Not treebeard, just quoting him at December 09, 2025 03:13 PM (TbWk/)
You're always first when no one is on your side.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (Zz0t1)
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257 255 I am not altogether on anybody's side, as nobody is altogether on my side.
Posted by: Not treebeard, just quoting him at December 09, 2025 03:13 PM (TbWk/)
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You sound just like CS Lewis.
Weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (GBKbO)
It's the Longbottom Leaf
Posted by: Not treebeard, just quoting him at December 09, 2025 03:13 PM (TbWk/)
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You sound just like CS Lewis.
Weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (GBKbO)
It's the Longbottom Leaf
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (xcxpd)
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Anyway, I can't really argue with anyone who bounced off Superman 2025. I can see how it would turn people off. For me, it set my expectations and then SLIGHTLY exceeded them. The movie has flaws but it also has Metamorpho and Mister Terrific...and Supergirl being a hot Thott and Krypto being a very good dog (when he's not being a butt).
More good than bad for me.
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I thoroughly enjoyed it. Lots of eye-candy chicks in that one that never really entered the plot, which was...ok I guess, it just left me wondering why they were there.
More good than bad for me.
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I thoroughly enjoyed it. Lots of eye-candy chicks in that one that never really entered the plot, which was...ok I guess, it just left me wondering why they were there.
Posted by: Crusader at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (TN0g+)
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I watch a lot of Rifftrax which is kind of an antimovie.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2025 03:15 PM (3uBP9)
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Lol. So they hand Kimmel millions of dollars even though he is a rating loss?
Ok. Sounds about right.
Ok. Sounds about right.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:15 PM (zZu0s)
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260 i just saw a movie at an alamo drafthouse. The movie was terrible -- Wake Up Dead Man, the knives out sequel, don't pay money to see it -- but man, did I enjoy the theater itself.
they show a lot of older movies like the LOTR movies. I'm going to have to get back there!
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (1wjle)
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My mom (Catholic writer) went and saw it in Atlanta on the way here late last week.
She liked how the younger priest had a moment where he had to refocus on faith (I haven't seen it), though she hated the first 30 minutes.
they show a lot of older movies like the LOTR movies. I'm going to have to get back there!
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (1wjle)
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My mom (Catholic writer) went and saw it in Atlanta on the way here late last week.
She liked how the younger priest had a moment where he had to refocus on faith (I haven't seen it), though she hated the first 30 minutes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:15 PM (GBKbO)
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211 The Thai-Cambodian conflict continues to heat up with at least 20 total deaths today alone, with thousands queuing for aid at sites like Chroy Neang Ngourn Pagoda (Cambodia) and racetracks (Thailand). No toxic gas or chemical attacks verified, despite unconfirmed Cambodian claims
Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (EMg+d)
well the 5 banana trees they're fighting over are really, really GOOD banana trees!
Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2025 03:06 PM (EMg+d)
well the 5 banana trees they're fighting over are really, really GOOD banana trees!
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2025 03:15 PM (uWKK8)
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200TJM , odd that What was Arthur C Clarke doing in Sri Lanka never got any interest
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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If you want to read a horrific true story of scifi community and its casual ignoring of pedos among them in the 50s to 70s, read Moira Greyland's account.
She is the daughter of author Marion Zimmer Bradley and has published a book titled The Last Closet: The Dark Side of Avalon.
Too many of the Golden Age of sci fi/fantasy types thought society was too uptight about morals, sexuality was natural (aided by what we know now as faked Margaret Meade studies and the criminal class subjects used in the Kinsey Report), etc.
So they did not protect the kids from predators among them and sexual harassment and worse were frequent at early cons. E.g. from the Forry Ackerman collection of letters, etc, this note: "In recent years, public allegations made online have described Ackerman's behavior toward women as predatory and at least one online account describes Ackerman engaging in an act of sexual assault. . . . several pieces of correspondence do allude to Ackerman sending sexually explicit communications to women.[that were unsolicited and non consensual].
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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If you want to read a horrific true story of scifi community and its casual ignoring of pedos among them in the 50s to 70s, read Moira Greyland's account.
She is the daughter of author Marion Zimmer Bradley and has published a book titled The Last Closet: The Dark Side of Avalon.
Too many of the Golden Age of sci fi/fantasy types thought society was too uptight about morals, sexuality was natural (aided by what we know now as faked Margaret Meade studies and the criminal class subjects used in the Kinsey Report), etc.
So they did not protect the kids from predators among them and sexual harassment and worse were frequent at early cons. E.g. from the Forry Ackerman collection of letters, etc, this note: "In recent years, public allegations made online have described Ackerman's behavior toward women as predatory and at least one online account describes Ackerman engaging in an act of sexual assault. . . . several pieces of correspondence do allude to Ackerman sending sexually explicit communications to women.[that were unsolicited and non consensual].
Posted by: whig at December 09, 2025 03:15 PM (WDjG6)
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264 It's the Longbottom Leaf
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (xcxpd)
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"Great name for the secret hero of the whole saga..."
-JK Rowling
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (xcxpd)
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"Great name for the secret hero of the whole saga..."
-JK Rowling
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:15 PM (GBKbO)
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259 Netflix is probably salivating at rebooting The Animaniacs as a live action furry pron starring Minerva Mink.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (2GVsD)
I kinda hate that I get that reference.
WB was already Patient Zero for the furry community.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (2GVsD)
I kinda hate that I get that reference.
WB was already Patient Zero for the furry community.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (xcxpd)
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Am I too late for the first “I haven’t seen a movie since 1981” comment?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (9iyS+)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (Zz0t1)
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I thoroughly enjoyed Superman, but I am a fan of his Silver Age comics and the movie was squarely in that wheelhouse.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (gYnrv)
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On top of that 1) find an up-and-coming actor. 2) Pay them a reasonable salary, for say 10 years. $500k per year. They need to agree to star in at least 3 projects per year. 4) Put them in a bunch of stuff. Design vehicles around them. 5) Give them a tiny piece of the gross. say your movie pulls in $100 million, they get a $100k bonus. 6) do the same for writers and directors. You hire talented people to long term contracts and expect them to produce.
Get out of this bullshit system where an actor makes $20 million a movie. No living actor today is worth that.
Make writers write, and directors direct, and actors act.
Back in the day, Dalton Trumbo. F Scott Fitzgerald. Raymond Chandler. John Irving. William Faulkner. Dashiell Hammet. All wrote for Hollywood. Some pretty amazing authors have worked on polishing Hollywood scripts over the years.
The other thing is - produce movies for less money.
Get out of this bullshit system where an actor makes $20 million a movie. No living actor today is worth that.
Make writers write, and directors direct, and actors act.
Back in the day, Dalton Trumbo. F Scott Fitzgerald. Raymond Chandler. John Irving. William Faulkner. Dashiell Hammet. All wrote for Hollywood. Some pretty amazing authors have worked on polishing Hollywood scripts over the years.
The other thing is - produce movies for less money.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (C3IAS)
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"Jah, Pax Americaus (if it ever existed) is long gone. We're going back to the old ways, which is frequent border conflicts."
Yeah, the fact that drones can project power has every cheap ass military commander wanting to see what he can do to settle old scores.
Yeah, the fact that drones can project power has every cheap ass military commander wanting to see what he can do to settle old scores.
Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (EMg+d)
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I did watch Die Hard and Die Hard II back to back with the First Daughter this weekend, so there's that.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (Zz0t1)
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Put me down for "Sam is now both black *and* gay and has an on-camera fling with the Russian bartender who kisses Rick after he lets that refugee win at roulette" for $100
Posted by: Chuck C at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (D0HYP)
I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find ghey buttsex going on at this bathhouse!
Posted by: Chuck C at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (D0HYP)
I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find ghey buttsex going on at this bathhouse!
Posted by: Louis, this is the beginning of a case of monkeypox at December 09, 2025 03:17 PM (TbWk/)
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>>>She liked how the younger priest had a moment where he had to refocus on faith (I haven't seen it)
it's the most anti-Christian and anti-Trump/GOP movie I've ever seen.
and the plot is one part Monk and one part Remington Steele. It's on the level of a TV mystery plot, I mean.
it's the most anti-Christian and anti-Trump/GOP movie I've ever seen.
and the plot is one part Monk and one part Remington Steele. It's on the level of a TV mystery plot, I mean.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:17 PM (1wjle)
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Warner...Skydance...Netflix's...Paramount...
I just don't care. I doubt I'll ever set foot in a movie theater again.
Yawns.
Nap time.
I just don't care. I doubt I'll ever set foot in a movie theater again.
Yawns.
Nap time.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2025 03:17 PM (2WIwB)
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There will always be room for theatrical distribution, but it's just going to be increasingly focused on spectacle.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (GBKbO)
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Chariot races and bear baiting in the lobby!
There's still a place for movies that are communal experiences, like big epics, musicals, and video game flicks (the Minecraft Movie and Five Nights franchise packed 'em in).
The current thing of giving older and niche movies a short run is a good development.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:42 PM (GBKbO)
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Chariot races and bear baiting in the lobby!
There's still a place for movies that are communal experiences, like big epics, musicals, and video game flicks (the Minecraft Movie and Five Nights franchise packed 'em in).
The current thing of giving older and niche movies a short run is a good development.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 09, 2025 03:17 PM (kpS4V)
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276 The other thing is - produce movies for less money.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (C3IAS)
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Can't just go outside and film a scene anymore.
Gotta get the exact right color space, composition, and background elements.
Instead of filming outside for $10,000, we'll film in a constructed studio space for $1 million.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (C3IAS)
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Can't just go outside and film a scene anymore.
Gotta get the exact right color space, composition, and background elements.
Instead of filming outside for $10,000, we'll film in a constructed studio space for $1 million.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:17 PM (GBKbO)
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267 Lol. So they hand Kimmel millions of dollars even though he is a rating loss?
Ok. Sounds about right.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:15 PM (zZu0s)
hey it's worth it to have the shareholders lose millions just so their friends won't say Mean Things.
Ok. Sounds about right.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:15 PM (zZu0s)
hey it's worth it to have the shareholders lose millions just so their friends won't say Mean Things.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2025 03:17 PM (uWKK8)
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242 Whose side we on here?
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (gDlxJ)
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Sydney Sweeney?
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 09, 2025 03:11 PM (gDlxJ)
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Sydney Sweeney?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (SzhuW)
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Lol. So they hand Kimmel millions of dollars even though he is a rating loss?
Ok. Sounds about right.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:15 PM (zZu0s)
Those 6 people protesting outside the studios when he was suspended were VERY convincing.
Ok. Sounds about right.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:15 PM (zZu0s)
Those 6 people protesting outside the studios when he was suspended were VERY convincing.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)
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>>>I thoroughly enjoyed Superman, but I am a fan of his Silver Age comics and the movie was squarely in that wheelhouse.
i thought i could hack a Silver Age type movie but it turns out I can't.
at some point I guess I'll finish watching it. then again, I never finished No Time To Die. I'm getting crabbier as I move past age 29.
i thought i could hack a Silver Age type movie but it turns out I can't.
at some point I guess I'll finish watching it. then again, I never finished No Time To Die. I'm getting crabbier as I move past age 29.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (1wjle)
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Amazon Prime KILLED Lord of the Rings for the foreseeable future.
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Woke AI generated shlock has negative appeal. I have negative interest in prime projects relating to LotR.
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Woke AI generated shlock has negative appeal. I have negative interest in prime projects relating to LotR.
Posted by: Regular American at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (/wYAD)
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Sydney Sweeney has great sides.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (eEIbO)
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280 >>>She liked how the younger priest had a moment where he had to refocus on faith (I haven't seen it)
it's the most anti-Christian and anti-Trump/GOP movie I've ever seen.
and the plot is one part Monk and one part Remington Steele. It's on the level of a TV mystery plot, I mean.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:17 PM (1wjle)
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I just bring it up because she had a moderately positive outlook on the film that seemed divorced from the early part which, according to her, seemed to be the concentration of antagonism towards things like religion.
I'll probably watch it on Friday.
it's the most anti-Christian and anti-Trump/GOP movie I've ever seen.
and the plot is one part Monk and one part Remington Steele. It's on the level of a TV mystery plot, I mean.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:17 PM (1wjle)
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I just bring it up because she had a moderately positive outlook on the film that seemed divorced from the early part which, according to her, seemed to be the concentration of antagonism towards things like religion.
I'll probably watch it on Friday.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (GBKbO)
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265 Anyway, I can't really argue with anyone who bounced off Superman 2025. I can see how it would turn people off. For me, it set my expectations and then SLIGHTLY exceeded them. The movie has flaws but it also has Metamorpho and Mister Terrific...and Supergirl being a hot Thott and Krypto being a very good dog (when he's not being a butt).
More good than bad for me.
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I thoroughly enjoyed it. Lots of eye-candy chicks in that one that never really entered the plot, which was...ok I guess, it just left me wondering why they were there.
Posted by: Crusader at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (TN0g+)
Yeah, and it wasn't woke or feminist and I actually didn't hate Lois Lane for once.
James Gunn does like attractive females, unlike most of his peers.
More good than bad for me.
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I thoroughly enjoyed it. Lots of eye-candy chicks in that one that never really entered the plot, which was...ok I guess, it just left me wondering why they were there.
Posted by: Crusader at December 09, 2025 03:14 PM (TN0g+)
Yeah, and it wasn't woke or feminist and I actually didn't hate Lois Lane for once.
James Gunn does like attractive females, unlike most of his peers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (xcxpd)
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I'm getting crabbier as I move past age 29.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (1wjle)
*fistbump*
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (1wjle)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (Zz0t1)
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I kinda hate that I get that reference.
WB was already Patient Zero for the furry community.
try going to an anime con and seeing someone cosplaying Minerva and thinking, 'there's probably a guy in there.'
WB was already Patient Zero for the furry community.
try going to an anime con and seeing someone cosplaying Minerva and thinking, 'there's probably a guy in there.'
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (2GVsD)
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Will we forever be trapped by the comic book mentality? Fantasy, I get. A hundred comics? You're not trying!
CGI and AI, motherfuckers! Learn to code.
CGI and AI, motherfuckers! Learn to code.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (1zOXE)
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Going to the movies with my Mom was an integral part of my childhood, and I love what the communal theater experience can be even though it is greatly diminished today. Netflix will only accelerate its eventual demise.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (gYnrv)
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291
James Gunn does like attractive females, unlike most of his peers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (xcxpd)
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Rachel Brosnahan is...weird lookin'.
James Gunn does like attractive females, unlike most of his peers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (xcxpd)
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Rachel Brosnahan is...weird lookin'.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Non Compos Mentis at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (4PEtT)
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289 Sydney Sweeney has great sides.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (eEIbO)
Her face is meeting the wall before the rest of her, but that body is woah.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (eEIbO)
Her face is meeting the wall before the rest of her, but that body is woah.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:20 PM (xcxpd)
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try going to an anime con and seeing someone cosplaying Minerva and thinking, 'there's probably a guy in there.'
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (2GVsD)
*bulge detector goes off*
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (2GVsD)
*bulge detector goes off*
Posted by: uWu yuuuuuuuck at December 09, 2025 03:20 PM (TbWk/)
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Sydney Sweeney has great sides.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (eEIbO)
Judges would've accepted 'tits' as well.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (eEIbO)
Judges would've accepted 'tits' as well.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:20 PM (Zz0t1)
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Rachel Brosnahan is...weird lookin'.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (GBKbO)
She's had work done, sadly. Or HGH. But she's more good than bad also.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (GBKbO)
She's had work done, sadly. Or HGH. But she's more good than bad also.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (xcxpd)
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300 Sydney Sweeney has great sides.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (eEIbO)
Judges would've accepted 'tits' as well.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:20 PM (Zz0t1)
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She enjoys collecting birds? Does she also some boobies?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 09, 2025 03:18 PM (eEIbO)
Judges would've accepted 'tits' as well.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:20 PM (Zz0t1)
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She enjoys collecting birds? Does she also some boobies?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (GBKbO)
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Remington Steele episode. The one that aged the Hitchcock movie. Where Stephanie Zimblest was running around a winery in her lingerie.
I liked it as a lad.
I liked it as a lad.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (zZu0s)
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try going to an anime con and seeing someone cosplaying Minerva and thinking, 'there's probably a guy in there.'
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (2GVsD)
I rather pride myself in not knowing what any of this means.
try going to an anime con and seeing someone cosplaying Minerva and thinking, 'there's probably a guy in there.'
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (2GVsD)
I rather pride myself in not knowing what any of this means.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (Zz0t1)
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248 Netflix keeps going WAY out of its way to make everything gay and tranny. Take their recent release "Wayward" which could have been an interesting mix of Shiny Happy People meets Disturbing Behavior. BUT the lead just HAD to be a post-op women with her tits chopped off trying to be a man, married to a pregnant lesbian woman, and playing this off like it's a totally routine everyday thing. What the actual fuck? Posted by: Don't show me that shit like it's normal at December 09, 2025 03:05 PM (TbWk/)
My wife and I laughed because the protagonist was so horribly miscast. A trans person, who looks like they are 15, playing a cop that is too mentally unstable and violent. It was like watching Howdy Doody: Serial Killer.
My wife and I laughed because the protagonist was so horribly miscast. A trans person, who looks like they are 15, playing a cop that is too mentally unstable and violent. It was like watching Howdy Doody: Serial Killer.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:22 PM (C3IAS)
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She enjoys collecting birds? Does she also some boobies?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (GBKbO)
Tits. Boobs. Whatever.
She enjoys collecting birds? Does she also some boobies?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (GBKbO)
Tits. Boobs. Whatever.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:22 PM (Zz0t1)
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276 On top of that 1) find an up-and-coming actor. 2) Pay them a reasonable salary, for say 10 years. $500k per year. They need to agree to star in at least 3 projects per year. 4) Put them in a bunch of stuff. Design vehicles around them. 5) Give them a tiny piece of the gross. say your movie pulls in $100 million, they get a $100k bonus. 6) do the same for writers and directors. You hire talented people to long term contracts and expect them to produce.
Get out of this bullshit system where an actor makes $20 million a movie. No living actor today is worth that.
Make writers write, and directors direct, and actors act.
Back in the day, Dalton Trumbo. F Scott Fitzgerald. Raymond Chandler. John Irving. William Faulkner. Dashiell Hammet. All wrote for Hollywood. Some pretty amazing authors have worked on polishing Hollywood scripts over the years.
The other thing is - produce movies for less money.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (C3IAS)
Blame CAA and the rise of the superagent. The studio system worked for years and years until it just didn't. CAA was able to convince the help that they had more power than they realized, and used it.
Get out of this bullshit system where an actor makes $20 million a movie. No living actor today is worth that.
Make writers write, and directors direct, and actors act.
Back in the day, Dalton Trumbo. F Scott Fitzgerald. Raymond Chandler. John Irving. William Faulkner. Dashiell Hammet. All wrote for Hollywood. Some pretty amazing authors have worked on polishing Hollywood scripts over the years.
The other thing is - produce movies for less money.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at December 09, 2025 03:16 PM (C3IAS)
Blame CAA and the rise of the superagent. The studio system worked for years and years until it just didn't. CAA was able to convince the help that they had more power than they realized, and used it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2025 03:22 PM (0CU3H)
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Too many of the Golden Age of sci fi/fantasy types thought society was too uptight about morals, sexuality was natural (aided by what we know now as faked Margaret Meade studies and the criminal class subjects used in the Kinsey Report), etc.
There were a bunch of #metoo accusations against classic SF authors that didn't get full media attention because they died before the ball got rolling.
Asimov for example, was supposedly handsy and tried to get female fans alone with him and so on.
And its almost comical because this kind of metoo stuff were things that people knew about before 3rd generation feminism - "be careful about being alone with a man you don't know" but then 3rd generation feminism was shocked...shocked...! That powerful men might try to use their power to get sexual attention from women.
They were so shocked of course they all universally defended Bill Clinton but here I'm digressing.
Obviously this isn't in the same ballpark a the Bradley/Clarke stuff...
There were a bunch of #metoo accusations against classic SF authors that didn't get full media attention because they died before the ball got rolling.
Asimov for example, was supposedly handsy and tried to get female fans alone with him and so on.
And its almost comical because this kind of metoo stuff were things that people knew about before 3rd generation feminism - "be careful about being alone with a man you don't know" but then 3rd generation feminism was shocked...shocked...! That powerful men might try to use their power to get sexual attention from women.
They were so shocked of course they all universally defended Bill Clinton but here I'm digressing.
Obviously this isn't in the same ballpark a the Bradley/Clarke stuff...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2025 03:22 PM (sKqQm)
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She enjoys collecting birds? Does she also some boobies?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (GBKbO)
Tits. Boobs. Whatever.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:22 PM (Zz0t1)
Just as we planned.
She enjoys collecting birds? Does she also some boobies?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (GBKbO)
Tits. Boobs. Whatever.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:22 PM (Zz0t1)
Just as we planned.
Posted by: Big Penguin at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (TbWk/)
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I rather pride myself in not knowing what any of this means.
Oh you poor innocent childe. Ya gotta make sanity rolls like the rest of us.
Oh you poor innocent childe. Ya gotta make sanity rolls like the rest of us.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (2GVsD)
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Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (2GVsD)
Oh, Anna. I checked my concordance. It is the 'Special Book Club Edition' from 1976. First edition.
I'd never sell it until I was past selling plasma.
Oh, Anna. I checked my concordance. It is the 'Special Book Club Edition' from 1976. First edition.
I'd never sell it until I was past selling plasma.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (zZu0s)
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228 Anyway, I can't really argue with anyone who bounced off Superman 2025. I can see how it would turn people off. For me, it set my expectations and then SLIGHTLY exceeded them. The movie has flaws but it also has Metamorpho and Mister Terrific...and Supergirl being a hot Thott and Krypto being a very good dog (when he's not being a butt).
More good than bad for me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (xcxpd)
How many times did you watch it? Seems like a lot of people that liked it in theater soured on it when watching it a second time at home.
More good than bad for me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:09 PM (xcxpd)
How many times did you watch it? Seems like a lot of people that liked it in theater soured on it when watching it a second time at home.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (3tZV2)
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@296
>>Rachel Brosnahan is...weird lookin'.
She was obviously chosen for her Margot Kidder aesthetic.
She's also not bad looking, she's also not a babe like Miss Tesmachar, but she's not supposed to be.
>>Rachel Brosnahan is...weird lookin'.
She was obviously chosen for her Margot Kidder aesthetic.
She's also not bad looking, she's also not a babe like Miss Tesmachar, but she's not supposed to be.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (XV/Pl)
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@270 whig, read a bit about Marion Zimmer Bradley and her husband when that book came out. Wouldn't be surprised if it's more prevalent.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (D+mpw)
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I am pretty sure Superhero movies are a dying genre. It had high heights and really low depths. It may survive to be niche, like Westerns, I hope it does. I do like Superheroes. But the Marvel Event movies are dead and gone and Marvel themselves killed them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (xcxpd)
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I believe the style guide requires “silver orbs of pleasure” when referring to Sydney Sweeney.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (gYnrv)
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307 Blame CAA and the rise of the superagent. The studio system worked for years and years until it just didn't. CAA was able to convince the help that they had more power than they realized, and used it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2025 03:22 PM (0CU3H)
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Marvel did it with all of its talent except Downey Jr.
Chris Hemsworth was making $100,000 per movie (9 movies total) under his original contract.
And then he'd go off and make $10 million for starring in Rush (which never justified his paycheck and proved that he wasn't actually a movie star).
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2025 03:22 PM (0CU3H)
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Marvel did it with all of its talent except Downey Jr.
Chris Hemsworth was making $100,000 per movie (9 movies total) under his original contract.
And then he'd go off and make $10 million for starring in Rush (which never justified his paycheck and proved that he wasn't actually a movie star).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (GBKbO)
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I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find ghey buttsex going on at this bathhouse!
Said as Obama walks past, I'm sure.
Said as Obama walks past, I'm sure.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (2ocoG)
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They are on the wrong side of history.
We are on the American side.
They are on the wrong side of the law.
They are on the wrong side of the bed.
They operated on the wrong side of the patient.
They are on the wrong side of hell.
Hope nobody goes to hell.
We are on the American side.
They are on the wrong side of the law.
They are on the wrong side of the bed.
They operated on the wrong side of the patient.
They are on the wrong side of hell.
Hope nobody goes to hell.
Posted by: thug dolphin at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (EyfuW)
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301 Rachel Brosnahan is...weird lookin'.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (GBKbO)
She's had work done, sadly. Or HGH. But she's more good than bad also.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (xcxpd)
fun fact: Rachel Brosnahan's aunt was...Kate Spade.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (GBKbO)
She's had work done, sadly. Or HGH. But she's more good than bad also.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (xcxpd)
fun fact: Rachel Brosnahan's aunt was...Kate Spade.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (0CU3H)
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Rachel Brosnahan is...weird lookin'.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
She looked just fine in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
She looked just fine in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2025 03:24 PM (bvUs5)
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Ellison didn't say that to Trump. The accusation smacks of lurid, stupid Leftist stagecraft. Just like they reported that Hegseth pulled a Colonel Kilgore and screamed "kill" the narco-terrorists.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 09, 2025 03:24 PM (WHfpM)
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We are probably about 10-15 years from AI slop being of equivalent or better quality to 80-90 % of modern hollywood blockbusters. Their whole business model is based on shoveling out the type of derivative horse shit that AI excels at. This isn't saying AI is great. It's that hollywood is so bad.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2025 03:24 PM (3uBP9)
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So Clarke's pedophilia was known about the British overseas community certainly...
Posted by: 18-1
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The News of the World spiked an exclusive story exposing the science fiction writer Arthur C Clarke as a paedophile, according to a new book about life inside the newspaper whose closure was announced a year ago today.
In Hack, an account of his nerve-shredding days as a reporter on the News of the World and then the Sunday Mirror, Graham Johnson claims that although the NOTW prided itself on outing pederasts, editors made an exception for Mr Clarke because he was a friend of Rupert Murdoch.. . .
Tipped off about the story, the Sunday Mirror sent Mr Johnson to Colombo, where he extracted an confession from the author that he paid boys for sex. "I have never had the slightest the slightest interest in children – boys or girls. They should be treated in the same way. But once they have reached the age of puberty, then it is OK," Mr Clarke was quoted as saying in the Sunday Mirror. "If the kids enjoy it and don't mind it doesn't do any harm … there is a hysteria about the whole thing in the West."
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The News of the World spiked an exclusive story exposing the science fiction writer Arthur C Clarke as a paedophile, according to a new book about life inside the newspaper whose closure was announced a year ago today.
In Hack, an account of his nerve-shredding days as a reporter on the News of the World and then the Sunday Mirror, Graham Johnson claims that although the NOTW prided itself on outing pederasts, editors made an exception for Mr Clarke because he was a friend of Rupert Murdoch.. . .
Tipped off about the story, the Sunday Mirror sent Mr Johnson to Colombo, where he extracted an confession from the author that he paid boys for sex. "I have never had the slightest the slightest interest in children – boys or girls. They should be treated in the same way. But once they have reached the age of puberty, then it is OK," Mr Clarke was quoted as saying in the Sunday Mirror. "If the kids enjoy it and don't mind it doesn't do any harm … there is a hysteria about the whole thing in the West."
Posted by: whig at December 09, 2025 03:24 PM (WDjG6)
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How many times did you watch it? Seems like a lot of people that liked it in theater soured on it when watching it a second time at home.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (3tZV2)
Twice, so far. Both in theaters.
I'm letting it 'rest' in my memory before digging it out to see it again.
Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (3tZV2)
Twice, so far. Both in theaters.
I'm letting it 'rest' in my memory before digging it out to see it again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:25 PM (xcxpd)
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NOODlum.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:25 PM (Zz0t1)
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So, Netflix will re-release Casablanca, only Rick will have the hots for Laszlo but end up with Renault.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 09, 2025 03:25 PM (WPL6O)
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Not the Gregg Allman Rush then
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2025 03:25 PM (U6Usv)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:25 PM (2GVsD)
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I have seen Superman 2025 several times, and have enjoyed it more each time. I think Corenswet is great in the lead and I love the silver age vibe of the movie.
Posted by: Open Channel D at December 09, 2025 03:25 PM (gYnrv)
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Look for public spats between Trump and the Ellisons in the next few weeks. He’s already upset that 60 Minutes had congresswoman crazy on there Sunday. They’ll play the game too.
It’s better for the industry if Netflix doesn’t get WB. But considering the idiotic strikes right on the heels of Covid, I’m not surprised that the people in Hollywood would choose a suicidal move over a deal that would keep the cinemas open (albeit at a smaller level) and residuals flowing just because of a Trump connection.
It’s better for the industry if Netflix doesn’t get WB. But considering the idiotic strikes right on the heels of Covid, I’m not surprised that the people in Hollywood would choose a suicidal move over a deal that would keep the cinemas open (albeit at a smaller level) and residuals flowing just because of a Trump connection.
Posted by: AnnInEu at December 09, 2025 03:25 PM (8/Yb4)
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I had to look up Kate Spade. Good for her i guess.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:26 PM (zZu0s)
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Rachel Brosnahan is...weird lookin'.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (GBKbO)
She's had work done, sadly. Or HGH. But she's more good than bad also.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (xcxpd)
fun fact: Rachel Brosnahan's aunt was...Kate Spade.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (0CU3H)
I did not know that. I do see the resemblance. Well...so she's not acting because she needs the money...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 03:19 PM (GBKbO)
She's had work done, sadly. Or HGH. But she's more good than bad also.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:21 PM (xcxpd)
fun fact: Rachel Brosnahan's aunt was...Kate Spade.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2025 03:23 PM (0CU3H)
I did not know that. I do see the resemblance. Well...so she's not acting because she needs the money...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 09, 2025 03:26 PM (xcxpd)
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But does the episode wheel still work?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:25 PM (2GVsD)
Yeah, still works fine. Spun it just to check.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:25 PM (2GVsD)
Yeah, still works fine. Spun it just to check.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:26 PM (zZu0s)
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Fry hands you a fistful of dollars Aetius.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 09, 2025 03:27 PM (2GVsD)
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The Fox theater in Detroit, Majestic in Grand Rapids, Opera House in Calumet.
If the movie was bad you could just spend the time admiring the architecture.
The Fox theater in Detroit, Majestic in Grand Rapids, Opera House in Calumet.
If the movie was bad you could just spend the time admiring the architecture.
Posted by: Auspex at December 09, 2025 03:28 PM (Y8DZL)
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314 @270 whig, read a bit about Marion Zimmer Bradley and her husband when that book came out. Wouldn't be surprised if it's more prevalent.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
Samuel Delany wrote about his experiences (favorably btw), Heinlein had the obvious open marriage as described openly in his official bio from his letters to Ginny and had a creepy predilection in some stories of grooming (Door into Summer), his protagonist having a relationship with his grandniece in another book Time for teh Stars, Lazarus Long and his grandmother in Time Enough For Love, and so on. There's more to it. Asimov's son was busted for child pron and Asimov himself was notorious for grabbing female ass at cons without asking, Randall Garrett was known for his vulgar come ons to con attending females, etc. etc.
This was the casual attitude of the era and creative scene that morality was for squares and Bible thumpers, kids were fine having sex even with adults, and anything went for adults.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
Samuel Delany wrote about his experiences (favorably btw), Heinlein had the obvious open marriage as described openly in his official bio from his letters to Ginny and had a creepy predilection in some stories of grooming (Door into Summer), his protagonist having a relationship with his grandniece in another book Time for teh Stars, Lazarus Long and his grandmother in Time Enough For Love, and so on. There's more to it. Asimov's son was busted for child pron and Asimov himself was notorious for grabbing female ass at cons without asking, Randall Garrett was known for his vulgar come ons to con attending females, etc. etc.
This was the casual attitude of the era and creative scene that morality was for squares and Bible thumpers, kids were fine having sex even with adults, and anything went for adults.
Posted by: whig at December 09, 2025 03:32 PM (WDjG6)
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Lol.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 09, 2025 03:39 PM (zZu0s)
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I'm just glad the superhero bubble has deflated.
I mostly can't wait for Avengers Doomsday to not nearly make back the money it needs. That will entertain me.
Instead, Super Mario Galaxy will make all the money.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (GBKbO)
And do a remake of Prometheus. That would be fun. Wouldn't it? Well, WOULDN'T IT?
I mostly can't wait for Avengers Doomsday to not nearly make back the money it needs. That will entertain me.
Instead, Super Mario Galaxy will make all the money.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 09, 2025 02:44 PM (GBKbO)
And do a remake of Prometheus. That would be fun. Wouldn't it? Well, WOULDN'T IT?
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 09, 2025 03:40 PM (g8Ew8)
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The Donner Superman only had three redeeming qualities, five if you include Valerie Perrine's tits.
1. Reeve's performance as Superdood
2. Hackman feasting on the scenery
3. The Reeve/Kidder Sky Dance
Of the three (or five), the Sky Dance is the only absolutely essential element of the flick
The Donner Superman only had three redeeming qualities, five if you include Valerie Perrine's tits.
1. Reeve's performance as Superdood
2. Hackman feasting on the scenery
3. The Reeve/Kidder Sky Dance
Of the three (or five), the Sky Dance is the only absolutely essential element of the flick
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2025 03:45 PM (y9nCu)
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I see Disney has extended Kimmel's show for another year..
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
Good. They'll keep losing millions for it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (Zz0t1)
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That's one way to declare your hatred of middle America. It's their money and the sooner they go broke the better.
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
Good. They'll keep losing millions for it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 09, 2025 03:02 PM (Zz0t1)
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That's one way to declare your hatred of middle America. It's their money and the sooner they go broke the better.
Posted by: Decaf at December 09, 2025 03:47 PM (1RAfh)
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Remember the 'I say let 'em crash' guy from the movie 'Airplane'? That's me right now. Hollywood to me is a stinking bum camped out in the circle near my house. Whether he gets hit by the Amazon truck or the Garbage truck, I don't care. As long as a truck does a nice slow roll and gets rid of it.
I just don't care either way. It's all going to be garbage.
I just don't care either way. It's all going to be garbage.
Posted by: Nelly at December 09, 2025 05:15 PM (iCpnn)
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