Trump Declares All Biden Autopen Documents Null and Void

I don't know how the courts will handle this.

Trump made the announcement on his Truth Social platform, as he often does. The Friday afternoon post stated, "Any document signed by Sleepy Joe Biden with the Autopen, which was approximately 92% of them, is hereby terminated, and of no further force or effect. The Autopen is not allowed to be used if approval is not specifically given by the President of the United States." It is unclear how significantly this could impact governmental programs and policies, but certainly it will shake up the federal government.
Next, Trump went so far as to say that Joe Biden was so totally incompetent mentally and physically that he had nothing whatsoever to do with the autopen scandal and would be lying if he said he did.

The president insisted, "The Radical Left Lunatics circling Biden around the beautiful Resolute Desk in the Oval Office took the Presidency away from him. I am hereby cancelling all Executive Orders, and anything else that was not directly signed by Crooked Joe Biden, because the people who operated the Autopen did so illegally. Joe Biden was not involved in the Autopen process and, if he says he was, he will be brought up on charges of perjury. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

I suspect they will claim that any document with the claimed signature of the president is presumptively real and therefore lawful, and that any undoing of that presumption must be on a case-by-case basis and by clear and convincing proof.

Posted by: Ace at 03:29 PM

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1 BLADE TO THE FRONT

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:30 PM (iFTx/)

2 1

Posted by: DaveA at November 28, 2025 03:31 PM (FhXTo)

3 I'm afraid this is DOA

Posted by: It's me donna at November 28, 2025 03:31 PM (VE6XX)

4 Whoa!

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 28, 2025 03:31 PM (4fWm2)

5 JackStraw had it!

23 Wow. Trump just declared that all pardons signed by the autopen under Biden are void and so are all EOs signed by the autopen.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2025 02:47 PM (viF8m)

Posted by: m at November 28, 2025 03:32 PM (RuTUS)

6 Missed it.

Now you get Wombats.

Wombats!
Wombats?
Wombats.

Do they need a special scoop for the cubes?

Posted by: DaveA at November 28, 2025 03:33 PM (FhXTo)

7 Another argument is that if President Biden was incompetent and unable to properly exercise the power of the pardon, he should have been removed via the 25th amendment.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 28, 2025 03:33 PM (/HDaX)

8 I suspect they will claim that any document with the claimed signature of the president is presumptively real and therefore lawful, and that any undoing of that presumption must be on a case-by-case basis and by clear and convincing proof.

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*prints up federal pardon with Joe Biden's signature for all crimes possible.*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:33 PM (GBKbO)

9 Don't think it'll make any substantive difference but the usual suspects will freak the fuck out so that's not nothing. I guess.

Posted by: More deportation! at November 28, 2025 03:35 PM (TbWk/)

10 Aye, caramba!

Posted by: That Guy who mutters "Aye, caramba ..." at November 28, 2025 03:35 PM (0sNs1)

11 When Black Friday comes !!!

Posted by: Adriane the Not Cynical Enough Critic . . . at November 28, 2025 03:35 PM (3ZUWJ)

12 Steely Dan earworm.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 28, 2025 03:36 PM (6TJ5+)

13 Good. Stand up and fight anywat.

BTW, I was wondering why the talk radio stations have some callers howling PDT has dementia.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at November 28, 2025 03:36 PM (NFX2v)

14 He's going to play Hell with pardons.
They're all going to claim detrimental reliance.

Posted by: torabora at November 28, 2025 03:37 PM (anQFD)

15 Not being a member of the politically connected and financial elite, my own Black Friday activities will be much more limited in scope. Like leftovers.

Posted by: Adriane the Not Cynical Enough Critic . . . at November 28, 2025 03:37 PM (3ZUWJ)

16 Comer's committee hearings where not a single person in the Biden administration claimed to have heard Biden give approval to use the autopen nor did any of them know who operated the autopen might come in useful.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 28, 2025 03:37 PM (viF8m)

17 way

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at November 28, 2025 03:37 PM (NFX2v)

18 Off, sock.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 28, 2025 03:37 PM (LxER7)

19 Does this include Juneteenth? Because that is one bogus holiday.

Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2025 03:37 PM (oraVG)

20
I suspect they will claim that any document with the claimed signature of the president is presumptively real and therefore lawful, and that any undoing of that presumption must be on a case-by-case basis and by clear and convincing proof.

If that's the case, then it is time to flood the zone with all kinds of autopen-signed fake and unlawful bullshit that will be presumed lawful.

I understand fully how ridiculous that sounds when I say it. It was no less ridiculous for the inner circle of the zombie Biden administration to actually fucking do it.

Posted by: biteme at November 28, 2025 03:38 PM (xWS9V)

21 Steely Dan earworm.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner

May someone catch the grey men before they fall on you ...

Posted by: Adriane the Not Cynical Enough Critic . . . at November 28, 2025 03:38 PM (3ZUWJ)

22 But better to fight it out. Even if you 'lose'.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2025 03:38 PM (bss/y)

23 Start with the autopen documents that stated that they were "signed" in Washington DC on days when Biden was not in Washington DC.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 28, 2025 03:38 PM (xTIDn)

24 In my humble opinion, the 25th Amendment is unconstitutional.

Posted by: torabora at November 28, 2025 03:38 PM (anQFD)

25 The courts will laugh at this, but there's a important and potentially devastating aspect to what I understand Trump did.

Trump voided all of Joey Shitbrain's autopen signatures. Every one of them. So unless everyone affected by any one of these EOs (or pardons or whatever) runs into court seeking a declaratory judgment that Trump couldn't void it -- which is highly unlikely -- then all these people will never know whether the EO is effective to them or not, unless Trump (or someone else) takes action inconsistent with the EO. Then they can sue Trump or whoever. But that could be years down the road. Until then, who knows?

I guess some leftwing ratfuck judge could enjoin Trump's declaration as to all the EOs -- and probably will -- but that probably won't stand. The basis of Trump's voiding the EOs is that Biden didn't sign them, didn't know about them, etc. That would require an individualized, case-by-case inquiry into each EO at issue.

This could be a bigger deal overall than we think.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:39 PM (iFTx/)

26 "I suspect they will claim that any document with the claimed signature of the president is presumptively real and therefore lawful, "

lol, I don't think they have thought this through

Posted by: MACV / SOG get out of jail free card at November 28, 2025 03:39 PM (Cjt/F)

27 I suspect they will claim that any document with the claimed signature of the president is presumptively real and therefore lawful, and that any undoing of that presumption must be on a case-by-case basis and by clear and convincing proof.

Yes, but it's putting the Left on defense.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 28, 2025 03:39 PM (CHHv1)

28 I appreciate the effort but yeah this isn’t going to fly in courts.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 28, 2025 03:40 PM (uDDWT)

29 Shoulda, woulda, coulda, nope; the argument is present tense.
The pardons are invalid. The pardons are invalid because the
president did not approve them. President Biden's commentary
on the subject is invalid because he is non compos mentis.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 28, 2025 03:40 PM (Zz+7G)

30 Good! Let them litigate every damn one of them. The federal government has essentially unlimited resources in litigation- if, as ace suggests, the courts presume authenticity, the government can produce evidence to rebut the presumption with government lawyers on salary (like me) and these jerks can spend their own bucks attempting to refute. But facts in evidence already demonstrate the process for autopen approval wasn’t followed, so good luck!

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 28, 2025 03:40 PM (hlNLQ)

31 I do appreciate that Trump goes on the offensive and just doesn't wait for things to happen.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2025 03:41 PM (PFs9e)

32 I think the only one that Biden officiously signed was Hunter's ...

So Piece of Schiff & the J6s have more on their worry on their plate.

In a just world ...

Posted by: Adriane the Not Cynical Enough Critic . . . at November 28, 2025 03:41 PM (3ZUWJ)

33 If it turns out DJT's White House has ever used autopen, this will backfire. Hope they've considered that.

Posted by: gp at November 28, 2025 03:41 PM (4kcNT)

34 23 Start with the autopen documents that stated that they were "signed" in Washington DC on days when Biden was not in Washington DC.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 28, 2025 03:38 PM (xTIDn)

He phoned it in? I don't know if there's a requirement that the President be in DC when he signs documents. I doubt it.

Posted by: m at November 28, 2025 03:42 PM (RuTUS)

35 My non lawyer understanding is that EOs can be reversed by the next POTUS regardless. Biden canceled a lot of good things from the first Trump term with counter EOs.

There may be specific EOs that Trump wants to undo; by making the statement that every pardon and EO that was signed by autopen is null and void, the commies don't have one narrow target to focus on so the key counter EOs Trump wants to issue have more chance to succeed, especially if the commies focus on making sure the pardons for evil gnome Fauci et al are not overturned.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 28, 2025 03:42 PM (hhkIi)

36 25 The courts will laugh at this, but there's a important and potentially devastating aspect to what I understand Trump did.

Trump voided all of Joey Shitbrain's autopen signatures. Every one of them. So unless everyone affected by any one of these EOs (or pardons or whatever) runs into court seeking a declaratory judgment that Trump couldn't void it -- which is highly unlikely -- then all these people will never know whether the EO is effective to them or not, unless Trump (or someone else) takes action inconsistent with the EO. Then they can sue Trump or whoever. But that could be years down the road. Until then, who knows?

I guess some leftwing ratfuck judge could enjoin Trump's declaration as to all the EOs -- and probably will -- but that probably won't stand. The basis of Trump's voiding the EOs is that Biden didn't sign them, didn't know about them, etc. That would require an individualized, case-by-case inquiry into each EO at issue.

This could be a bigger deal overall than we think.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:39 PM (iFTx/)

Not really - in theory, he could have signed an EO that said "all EOs signed from Jan 20, 2021 to Jan 19, 2025 were void".

Posted by: Nova Local at November 28, 2025 03:43 PM (tOcjL)

37 33 If it turns out DJT's White House has ever used autopen, this will backfire. Hope they've considered that.
Posted by: gp at November 28, 2025 03:41 PM (4kcNT)

Trump does not seem like an autopen kind of guy. Actually the opposite.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2025 03:43 PM (bss/y)

38 33 If it turns out DJT's White House has ever used autopen, this will backfire. Hope they've considered that.
Posted by: gp at November 28, 2025 03:41 PM (4kcNT)

I'd guess that big, heavy signature of his would break the machine.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 28, 2025 03:43 PM (LxER7)

39 Give it to them good and hard.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 28, 2025 03:44 PM (abIsI)

40 31, so true FS!

more of what I voted for!

Trumpmas! Every Day!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 28, 2025 03:44 PM (Cjt/F)

41 Maybe Trump has a whistle blower on this ? If not I stand by my DOA

Posted by: It's me donna at November 28, 2025 03:44 PM (VE6XX)

42 Its A Bold Strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off for him.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2025 03:44 PM (uWKK8)

43 33 If it turns out DJT's White House has ever used autopen, this will backfire. Hope they've considered that.

Posted by: gp at November 28, 2025 03:41 PM (4kcNT)

=====

The W administration came to the legal conclusion that autopens were legally valid...and they never did it on government documents.

Considering Trump's propensity for making his signings into spectacles and the central issue of the autopen for Biden, I doubt there's any autopen on any official, authorizing document.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:44 PM (GBKbO)

44
And he clearly stated he would not pardon Hunter but he pardoned Hunter. Non compos mentos when?

Posted by: torabora at November 28, 2025 03:44 PM (anQFD)

45 3 I'm afraid this is DOA
Posted by: It's me donna
-----

Cheer up. President Trump will take this to the Supremes.
He knew it would go to the Supremes when he wrote it.
He has a very good winning average with them.
There shall be rending of loins before it gets there.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 28, 2025 03:44 PM (Zz+7G)

46 35 My non lawyer understanding is that EOs can be reversed by the next POTUS regardless. Biden canceled a lot of good things from the first Trump term with counter EOs

—

Remember though two sets of rules for Trump.

Obama signed DACA as an EO. Trump signed an EO undoing that EO. SCOTUS said nope you can’t do that. Why cuz Orange man Bad that’s why.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 28, 2025 03:45 PM (uDDWT)

47 He phoned it in? I don't know if there's a requirement that the President be in DC when he signs documents. I doubt it.
Posted by: m

Obama on vacation in HI.

However, there is a very specific record of Obama instructing the autopen be used in his physical absence. There is no record of Biden giving said instruction from On the Beach.

Posted by: Adriane the Not Cynical Enough Critic . . . at November 28, 2025 03:45 PM (3ZUWJ)

48 He phoned it in? I don't know if there's a requirement that the President be in DC when he signs documents. I doubt it.

No, no, the documents stated that they were signed in Washington DC on such-and-such a date.

On several of these dates, it can be documented that Biden was not in Washington DC.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 28, 2025 03:45 PM (xTIDn)

49 30 Good! Let them litigate every damn one of them.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 28, 2025 03:40 PM (hlNLQ)

"Sunshine is the best disinfectant" and all!

Posted by: m at November 28, 2025 03:46 PM (RuTUS)

50 And he clearly stated he would not pardon Hunter but he pardoned Hunter. Non compos mentos when?

Ironically, Hunter's pardon was the only one that Joe actually signed.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 28, 2025 03:47 PM (xTIDn)

51 This could be a bigger deal overall than we think.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:39 PM (iFTx/)

Not really - in theory, he could have signed an EO that said "all EOs signed from Jan 20, 2021 to Jan 19, 2025 were void".
Posted by: Nova Local at November 28, 2025 03:43 PM (tOcjL)
____

Umm, yea. That's my point. By striking all the EOs down in one shot, anyone affected by any EO is now in limbo as to whether that EO is still effective or not. So they either all have to sue for declaratory judgment, or wait until they are affected by conduct inconsistent with the EO and then challenge it in court.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:47 PM (iFTx/)

52 I'm not sure if this will hold up in court, but do it anyway. Keep pushing the Dems and deep state. Keep hitting them everyway you can because the Republicans in Congress are useless.
Of course Trump has to keep his eye on the economy as well, but hitting the Dems on immigration and the autopen plays offense and keeps them off balance

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 28, 2025 03:47 PM (bfwj/)

53 7 Another argument is that if President Biden was incompetent and unable to properly exercise the power of the pardon, he should have been removed via the 25th amendment.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 28, 2025 03:33 PM (/HDaX)

This is Trump on offense. It's nice that he did this on a Friday on a slow news day. Maybe this will get the press' attention (yeah, yeah, I know).

Anyway, if the press decides to cover this, the 25A will be the next response to that.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 28, 2025 03:48 PM (0CU3H)

54 Give it to them good and hard.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 28, 2025 03:44 PM

Dude. I'd love to.

But have you seen what I have to go up against?

Posted by: Male Hedgehog at November 28, 2025 03:48 PM (0sNs1)

55 This is what I voted for

Posted by: Iasonas at November 28, 2025 03:48 PM (gUzGB)

56 For another taste of maximalizing for effect from the Trump admin:

@MishaSki30245
It is starting. Just today Treasury sent out alerts basically saying we can seize the entire remittance of illegals since it is unlawful for them to be working here. This is real action and will lead to self deportation. The illegals may just move to Canada, but they will leave!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:48 PM (GBKbO)

57 49 30 Good! Let them litigate every damn one of them.
Posted by: Farmer Bob
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Lawfare. - all the way to the poor house.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 28, 2025 03:49 PM (Zz+7G)

58 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:48 PM (GBKbO)

This is so good it can't possibly be real

Posted by: Iasonas at November 28, 2025 03:49 PM (gUzGB)

59 57- yep- “the process is the punishment” just ask Gen. Flynn. As ace often reminds us, game theory goes both ways.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 28, 2025 03:50 PM (hlNLQ)

60 Non compos mentos when?"

Right after diet coke?

Posted by: man at November 28, 2025 03:51 PM (XuXeR)

61

Wombat Gang Sodomy!!!

Posted by: Dirty Frank at November 28, 2025 03:51 PM (o7u1E)

62 58 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:48 PM (GBKbO)

This is so good it can't possibly be real

Posted by: Iasonas at November 28, 2025 03:49 PM (gUzGB)

======

It's real.

https://is.gd/iSaZio

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:51 PM (GBKbO)

63 It all comes down to the color of the ink.

No yellow!

Posted by: Hunter B. at November 28, 2025 03:51 PM (0sNs1)

64 >>>The illegals may just move to Canada, but they will leave!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger
--------

Trump will nibble on a thing around the edges, in the middle; nibble, nibble until it implodes under its own weight.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 28, 2025 03:51 PM (Zz+7G)

65 Joey, "Compost mentos?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 28, 2025 03:51 PM (6gCWo)

66 I have to admit I hope the commies freak out about the pardons and the Trump admin quietly undoes a bunch of the EOs 'Biden' issued to bring in jihadis and the most noxious south of the border gangs.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 28, 2025 03:52 PM (hhkIi)

67 Trump is pissed He going on the war path Good Fuck em

Posted by: doug at November 28, 2025 03:52 PM (Hy+R4)

68 48 He phoned it in? I don't know if there's a requirement that the President be in DC when he signs documents. I doubt it.

No, no, the documents stated that they were signed in Washington DC on such-and-such a date.

On several of these dates, it can be documented that Biden was not in Washington DC.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 28, 2025 03:45 PM (xTIDn)

Huh. Thanks.

Posted by: m at November 28, 2025 03:53 PM (RuTUS)

69 Trump just needs to deploy his Reverse Everything Spell card from his Magic the Gathering deck. Lay it down on the Oval office desk, and everything the previous administration did is automatically reversed to be the opposite.

Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2025 03:53 PM (oraVG)

70 For another taste of maximalizing for effect from the Trump admin:

@MishaSki30245
It is starting. Just today Treasury sent out alerts basically saying we can seize the entire remittance of illegals since it is unlawful for them to be working here. This is real action and will lead to self deportation. The illegals may just move to Canada, but they will leave!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:48 PM (GBKbO)
______

Is this real? It doesn't make sense as it's written. How do you "seize" a remittance? A remittance has already been made and the money is now out of the country. I guess there could be new rules that require proof of citizenship or legal status before making a remittance, or the remittance will be "seized" before it's sent. But I doubt that could be enforced in any real sense.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:53 PM (iFTx/)

71 Trump is flooding the field and the Dems can't decide what to do so they try to defend it all.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 28, 2025 03:54 PM (6gCWo)

72 The holidays make me depressed for a variety of reasons and it's been several weeks since I've been able to go to my place in Florida, which cheers me up.

But this isn't the first time I've been a little down in the dumps and Trump comes along to do something to give me hope again.

Posted by: Iasonas at November 28, 2025 03:54 PM (gUzGB)

73 RE: the last thread . . . I had no idea wombats were so *big*! I thought they were the size of gophers. Instead they look like bear cubs. Wow!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 28, 2025 03:55 PM (wzUl9)

74 70 Is this real? It doesn't make sense as it's written. How do you "seize" a remittance? A remittance has already been made and the money is now out of the country. I guess there could be new rules that require proof of citizenship or legal status before making a remittance, or the remittance will be "seized" before it's sent. But I doubt that could be enforced in any real sense.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:53 PM (iFTx/)

======

Here's the actual press release:

https://is.gd/iSaZio

It includes a link to the actual pdf.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:55 PM (GBKbO)

75 I know how the courts will handle this.
By denying it and issuing fatwas.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 28, 2025 03:55 PM (xcxpd)

76 I think what many fail to realize, especially in the second term, is that Trump usually has his duck’s in a row prior to making these bombastic statements. The statement itself is designed to galvanize both sides- the dirtbags will jump to defend the indefensible, but normal American’s just see it as a guy sick of and cutting through all the bullshit and weasel words. But let’s get Andrew McCabe’s take (blech!)

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 28, 2025 03:55 PM (hlNLQ)

77 A distant relartive at yesterday's Thanksgiving dinner walked in the door and the first thing she said was, "The think I love about these family gatherings is that we're all on the same page politically -- we all hate Trump!"

I remained mute.

Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2025 03:55 PM (oraVG)

78 Posted by: Anna Puma at November 28, 2025 03:54 PM (6gCWo)

Don't worry, the words "racist" and "fascist" are already being dusted off from the long time ago of a few hours ago when they were calling him these things.

Posted by: Iasonas at November 28, 2025 03:56 PM (gUzGB)

79 It will come down to what Soros and the Deep State says.
They have control. Sad but true.

Posted by: Case at November 28, 2025 03:56 PM (5Je/N)

80 77 A distant relartive at yesterday's Thanksgiving dinner walked in the door and the first thing she said was, "The think I love about these family gatherings is that we're all on the same page politically -- we all hate Trump!"

I remained mute.
Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2025 03:55 PM (oraVG)

I would not have.
But I understand.
You have my sympathies.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 28, 2025 03:56 PM (xcxpd)

81 77 A distant relartive at yesterday's Thanksgiving dinner walked in the door and the first thing she said was, "The think I love about these family gatherings is that we're all on the same page politically -- we all hate Trump!"

I remained mute.

Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2025 03:55 PM (oraVG)

====

"He hasn't set up a single gay camp. He's a complete cuck."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:56 PM (GBKbO)

82 It will provide entertainment as the Left goes full 'Scanners' but I doubt this will happen.

youtu.be/YI3NoBeNwfk

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at November 28, 2025 03:56 PM (sAmhv)

83 Is this real? It doesn't make sense as it's written. How do you "seize" a remittance? A remittance has already been made and the money is now out of the country. I guess there could be new rules that require proof of citizenship or legal status before making a remittance, or the remittance will be "seized" before it's sent. But I doubt that could be enforced in any real sense.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:53 PM (iFTx/)

======

Here's the actual press release:

https://is.gd/iSaZio

It includes a link to the actual pdf.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:55 PM (GBKbO)
________

Ok, except the actual alert says nothing about seizing anything and is basically impotent words. This is PR, as I see it.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:56 PM (iFTx/)

84 Is this real? It doesn't make sense as it's written. How do you "seize" a remittance? A remittance has already been made and the money is now out of the country. I guess there could be new rules that require proof of citizenship or legal status before making a remittance, or the remittance will be "seized" before it's sent. But I doubt that could be enforced in any real sense.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:53 PM (iFTx/)

You seize it at the middleman level. You require all foreign sent money to have a check of someone's citizenship (be in the bank or online service handling it). Anyone who is not gets the money removed and sent to Treasury where it is held until either the citizen can correct the error or it is confirmed illegal.

Remittances are not instant, so there's time to thwart the process...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 28, 2025 03:57 PM (tOcjL)

85 Afternoon.

Anyone with more than a couple of braincells to rub together would say the atropine was ripe for abuse. Drop that shit into the Potomac.

That said, I don't expect this to survive a court challenge but I also wonder if the Adminustration is adopting a leftist tactic of simply overwhelming the opposition with so many cases that it stretches their resources thin.

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 28, 2025 03:57 PM (1Yy3c)

86 I am in awe! We simply don't deserve this guy!

Some judge in Hawaii is already cooking up a nationwide TRO.

Greetings Everyone

Happy Black Friday!

Thank you Ace for giving us a home to safely express ourselves and to share a sense of community.

We didn't get home from Thanksgiving until after 2 AM local time. LOL!

Sadly, that's not the worst we've ever done....LOL!

Older son and g.f. had to leave at 4 AM for LAX to fly to Boston via Philly. Thankfully they took an Uber though my wife kept offering for me to take them. He reported safe arrival in Philadelphia a while ago.

I'm drinking coffee and watching Miracle on 34th St.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 28, 2025 03:57 PM (QGaXH)

87 "The think I love about these family gatherings is that we're all on the same page politically -- we all hate Trump!"

Wow.

I would have left. You may not have had that option.

Posted by: Bad Andrew at November 28, 2025 03:58 PM (6qf1m)

88 I don't even get invited to family holidays anymore since my dad died.

Which is probably a good thing because a cousin of mine married an AWFL and they don't speak to me anymore because of politics.

Whatever.

Posted by: Iasonas at November 28, 2025 03:58 PM (gUzGB)

89 But this will set a precedent for Dems whenever there's a demonstrably semi moribund Republican president...

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 28, 2025 03:58 PM (wBaIH)

90 Atropine

The fuck is an atropine, Autocucumber?

Autopen.

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 28, 2025 03:58 PM (1Yy3c)

91 83 Ok, except the actual alert says nothing about seizing anything and is basically impotent words. This is PR, as I see it.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:56 PM (iFTx/)

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"As such, to support the filing of SARs reporting a possible violation of law or regulation connected
to cross-border transfers of funds by illegal aliens, financial institutions should use the SAR key term
“FIN-2025-Alert003” in SAR field 2 (“Filing Institutions Note to FinCEN”

and the narrative."

Highlighting a particular code, which they'll use to id people. Self-reporting from banks, giving the feds a path towards seizure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:58 PM (GBKbO)

92 84- I was going to reply similarly- these are transmitted electronically, so they can be delayed, reversed, rerouted, or recouped the same way

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 28, 2025 03:59 PM (hlNLQ)

93 I see the troll believes this won't work. Because troll.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 28, 2025 04:00 PM (xcxpd)

94 "He hasn't set up a single gay camp. He's a complete cuck."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:56 PM (GBKbO)

We got you covered.

Posted by: Boyscouts Of America at November 28, 2025 04:00 PM (1Yy3c)

95 If there are still autopen machines in the White House, DJT should call a press gaggle, bring the machines out, and publicly sledge hammer them all. That would be a big win, IMHO. I'm serious.

Posted by: gp at November 28, 2025 04:01 PM (4kcNT)

96 Ok, except the actual alert says nothing about seizing anything and is basically impotent words. This is PR, as I see it.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 03:56 PM (iFTx/)

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"As such, to support the filing of SARs reporting a possible violation of law or regulation connected
to cross-border transfers of funds by illegal aliens, financial institutions should use the SAR key term
“FIN-2025-Alert003” in SAR field 2 (“Filing Institutions Note to FinCEN” and the narrative."

Highlighting a particular code, which they'll use to id people. Self-reporting from banks, giving the feds a path towards seizure.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 03:58 PM (GBKbO)
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Ummmm ... sure. That code will be read long after the wire is sent, if it's read at all. Total amount of remittances that will be seized this way? Zero-point-zero.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 04:02 PM (iFTx/)

97 My wife this is another case of Trump throwing out shiny object to distract from something else.

Posted by: Bulg at November 28, 2025 04:02 PM (77rzZ)

98 If there are still autopen machines in the White House, DJT should call a press gaggle, bring the machines out, and publicly sledge hammer them all. That would be a big win, IMHO. I'm serious.
Posted by: gp at November 28, 2025 04:01 PM (4kcNT)

Trump is a bit old for sledgehammering.

Let Baron handle it.

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 28, 2025 04:02 PM (1Yy3c)

99 >>> Atropine

The fuck is an atropine, Autocucumber?

Autopen.
Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 28, 2025 03:58 PM (1Yy3c)

Looks like a pretty freaky drug. I'm reading it affects the nervous system. It's used as a counter to someone who's been hit in a nerve agent attack. It slows saliva production for people during surgery. It is also used in various heart attack situations. And for dilating pupils.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2025 04:02 PM (3uBP9)

100 7 Another argument is that if President Biden was incompetent and unable to properly exercise the power of the pardon, he should have been removed via the 25th amendment.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 28, 2025 03:33 PM (/HDaX)

He should have been removed when the Special Prosecutor guy said he was not fit to stand trial for - what was it - the classified documents thing?

They need an auto pen rule that says the president has 30 days to re-sign the document in person or it doesn't stand.

No auto-pen signatures within 30 days of leaving office.

ALSO: No pardons within 60 days before and none after a presidential election unless the president wins another term.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 28, 2025 04:02 PM (QGaXH)

101 President Trump has been laying the groundwork for this since day one. He personally signed dozens of things, EO's, bills, etc., in front of cameras.

This is not a knee jerk reaction. President Trump was headed this direction from day one.

Anyone surprised by this wasn't paying attention.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (UJMvS) at November 28, 2025 04:03 PM (UJMvS)

102 96
Ummmm ... sure. That code will be read long after the wire is sent, if it's read at all. Total amount of remittances that will be seized this way? Zero-point-zero.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 04:02 PM (iFTx/)

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I'm fairly certain banks hold up wire transfers all the time for a variety of reasons, some of them being suspicion of criminal activity.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 04:03 PM (GBKbO)

103 I suspect they will claim that any document with the claimed signature of the president is presumptively real and therefore lawful, and that any undoing of that presumption must be on a case-by-case basis and by clear and convincing proof.
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That will be their argument for the pardons, which is what most of them care about. As far as the EOs go, Trump can pretty easily (and should) issue one declaring all of Biden's EOs null and void (I suppose some identification of each can be listed for documentary purposes). But it's kind of loose shit to *just* declare this in a tweet or whatever.

Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2025 04:03 PM (vSvIl)

104 100 He should have been removed when the Special Prosecutor guy said he was not fit to stand trial for - what was it - the classified documents thing?

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 28, 2025 04:02 PM (QGaXH)

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Under whose authority? The special prosecutor?

Where in our rules of governance does it say that special prosecutors have the authority to relieve presidents of their office?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 04:04 PM (GBKbO)

105 Trump habitually does and says things that make people feel good, or go crazy. Usually it is the same thing, with two different reactions, but at the end of the day, a lot of it ends the same way. (Closes hand and makes repeated motion under desk.)

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at November 28, 2025 04:04 PM (MZ+PY)

106 The government has the ability to freeze money if it's used in criminal activity

Posted by: Iasonas at November 28, 2025 04:04 PM (gUzGB)

107 98 If there are still autopen machines in the White House, DJT should call a press gaggle, bring the machines out, and publicly sledge hammer them all. That would be a big win, IMHO. I'm serious.
Posted by: gp at November 28, 2025 04:01 PM (4kcNT)
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DeStRuCtIoN oF fEdErAl PrOpErTy! ImPeAcH!!!

Posted by: ClOwN wOrLd at November 28, 2025 04:04 PM (qUkBO)

108 "Trump is a bit old for sledgehammering."

He can handle an M4. Let him open fire on the machines.

Posted by: gp at November 28, 2025 04:05 PM (4kcNT)

109 102 96
Ummmm ... sure. That code will be read long after the wire is sent, if it's read at all. Total amount of remittances that will be seized this way? Zero-point-zero.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 04:02 PM (iFTx/)

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I'm fairly certain banks hold up wire transfers all the time for a variety of reasons, some of them being suspicion of criminal activity.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 04:03 PM (GBKbO)

And again, they are not instant. Just like your check deposits are held 3 days even though in theory, the money can move in an instant.

Money can be held...and even if you don't stop the very 1st transaction, once an account gets flagged after a transaction, you can prevent any further ones.

Posted by: Nova Local at November 28, 2025 04:05 PM (tOcjL)

110 I see the troll believes this won't work. Because troll.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 28, 2025 04:00 PM (xcxpd)

Everyone must do his part for the color revolution.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2025 04:05 PM (rbvCR)

111 110 Everyone must do his part for the color revolution.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2025 04:05 PM (rbvCR)

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What did George C. Scott do for the color revolution?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 04:05 PM (GBKbO)

112 >>> But it's kind of loose shit to *just* declare this in a tweet or whatever.
Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2025 04:03 PM (vSvIl)

Pen and a phone people!

Posted by: JEF at November 28, 2025 04:05 PM (3uBP9)

113 Trump should start using Biden's autopen signature for all sorts of ridiculous proclamations and decrees just to show how stupid it is.

He should also use it to issue pardons to himself and his family and administration with Biden's autopen signature, backdated to inauguration day.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 28, 2025 04:06 PM (QGaXH)

114 It took three business days to wire money from my account to another my account, from my 401k to my IRA.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 04:06 PM (GBKbO)

115 I would not have.
But I understand.
You have my sympathies.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

There would have no point in causing an upset. None of these people are even remotely convincable. They're all utterly brainwashed Kool-Aid-drinking NPR listeners, so ill-informed that it would take several months just to to get them up to speed on what reality even is, before then trying to change their opinions.

I did try to subtly "turn" a nephew of mine, by neutrally describing to him what a "self-imposed information bubble" is, and that while it may be true that right-wingers refuse to pay attention to liberal news, by the same token he refuses to pay attention to what is discussed in right-wing media. As a result, his opinion may indeed be "correct" and inescapable based on the information he receives, but by the same token a right-winger's opinion is correct and inescapable based on the information that he intakes.

"B-b-but Fox News is full of lies and PBS is true!"

I said -- If you actually look into both sides, you'll see that neither side is "lying," but rather they simply choose to emphasize facts and stories that support their political biases. He agreed.

Posted by: zombie at November 28, 2025 04:06 PM (oraVG)

116 103- disagree for reasons stated above- my observation is the perceived “loose shit” in second term is strategy similar to Emanuel’s “stray voltage”

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 28, 2025 04:07 PM (hlNLQ)

117 Trump is pissed He going on the war path Good Fuck em
Posted by: doug at November 28, 2025 03:52 PM (Hy+R4)

They demanded a war. They've killed our warriors. The Republicans said "oh no! That's so not nice. But we won't be not nice." So the lunatic left keeps pushing. And pushing. They want that war!

Trump is all out of bubble gum.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at November 28, 2025 04:07 PM (2J/Lj)

118 This is distraction for something else to come.

Posted by: alanon at November 28, 2025 04:08 PM (OhUhe)

119 If you are allergic to Atropine, don't take Atropine.

Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2025 04:08 PM (rO4EG)

120 zombie, you've been at this so long, and still have maintained deep cover. Respect!

Posted by: gp at November 28, 2025 04:08 PM (4kcNT)

121 Ummmm ... sure. That code will be read long after the wire is sent, if it's read at all. Total amount of remittances that will be seized this way? Zero-point-zero.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 04:02 PM (iFTx/)

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I'm fairly certain banks hold up wire transfers all the time for a variety of reasons, some of them being suspicion of criminal activity.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 28, 2025 04:03 PM (GBKbO)
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In theory, sure. But there are already systems in place and SAR requiring reporting potentially illegal wire transfers from illegals, and they do nothing. In order for a system to work even under this new rule, the remittance has to be $2k or more ($1,999 wires fly under the radar), the sending institution has to identify and flag suspicious transfers (I'm skeptical), and the gov't has to immediately react and stop the transfer. Highly unlikely all three of these things will happen.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 28, 2025 04:08 PM (iFTx/)

122 My non lawyer understanding is that EOs can be reversed by the next POTUS regardless. Biden canceled a lot of good things from the first Trump term with counter EOs.
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You forget how much clown there is in our clown Judiciary.

1st term, Trump's EO reversing Obama's DACA EO was declared unconstitutional..

But yeah, I think the point of what Trump is doing with this is to further show the public hire these clown judges enjoy smearing shit on them and rolling around in it while giggling.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 28, 2025 04:09 PM (HXT0k)

123 If there are still autopen machines in the White House, DJT should call a press gaggle, bring the machines out, and publicly sledge hammer them all. That would be a big win, IMHO. I'm serious.
Posted by: gp at November 28, 2025 04:01 PM (4kcNT)

Trump is a bit old for sledgehammering.

Let Baron handle it.
Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 28, 2025 04:02 PM (1Yy3c)

Let Morgan James
youtu.be/Axb7fF8nldU

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2025 04:09 PM (3uBP9)

124 I bet Trump took the shooting if the young NGs a little personally since he too was shot at.

Posted by: Iasonas at November 28, 2025 04:10 PM (gUzGB)

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