Gun Thread: Final October Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be the final October edition? Happy Halloween! Do you get trick-or-treaters?

I'm happy to be home from all the traveling recently, but definitely missing seeing all of all y'all in Texas. Only 51 or so more weeks until TXMoMe XI!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Fundamentals of seeing what you're shooting, that is.

So as your eyeballs get old and dry out it becomes difficult to focus on sights and targets. I, of course, am immune to this but I have heard it's a thing. Anyhoo, in order to be one of the cool kids, some time ago I began wearing my reading glasses when shooting handguns. My Ophthalmologist knows I am a shooter and gave me the correct magnification (around 1.5x) to focus at just beyond arm's length, or approximately where the front sight post will be.

It worked!

Sadly, I also found out I had not actually invented this, and lots of other shooters were doing the same thing. But is it the only way?

What do you think?

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Punkin' Carving With Hickok45

With .45ACP naturally.

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Fake 1911?

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Ma Deuce - Browning M2

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Our Pal Operation Cue!

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Fun At A Japanese Pencil Factory

If I get one email request for Japanese Pencil Factory videos per week, I must get a hundred. Enjoy!

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Highway Patrol!
This week's episode: Dead Patrolman

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The Bee Girl
Do I really need to tell you to watch out for Bee Girls?

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Cigar of the Week

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This week our pal She Hobbit scores with this excellent review of the My Father - Flor de las Antillas

As a simple hobbit, I am not skilled in the intricacies of cigar reviewing. However, I do appreciate a nice smoke and would like, if you don't mind, to share my impressions of the My Father - Flor de las Antillas. So grab a drink (I'm having Diet Dr. Pepper and Kraken, don't judge me!), and join me on the patio while I queue up a Bella Hardy playlist for a relaxing fall evening.
Any self-respecting hobbit knows that a good meal starts with your eyes, a concept I would argue extends to cigar smoking. In that vein, I've been known to make cigar selections based on sticks that tickle my visual fancy, and the Flor de las Antillas sure meets the mark. It is truly just a beautiful cigar, from its rich brown wrapper, to the endearing crimson ribbon, and finally the ring, which is a legitimate work of art. This is such a nice-looking cigar that it is almost a shame to smoke it... almost. Tonight, I'm having this beauty in Toro since my local shop was out of Robusto. Hey, more to enjoy! And since summer is finally losing its grip on my area of the Shire, I don't mind lounging outdoors for an extended time.
The best word I can use to describe the flavor of the Flor de las Antillas is smooth. From start to finish, it provides a pleasant smoking experience. It offers a nice steady transition from mild/medium at the beginning through medium/full-bodied at the end. Being a non-expert, I can't pick out particular flavors but get impressions like creamy with a bit of spice early on, spice intensifying over time, and gaining some hints of coffee toward the end. This cigar is never harsh, even on retrohales, making for a completely pleasing hour and a bit. Its satisfying production of smoke, firm ash, and pretty consistent burn line mean I can enjoy it without much fuss or effort, definite pluses at the end of a work day. Overall, I find the My Father - Flor de las Antillas to be a thoroughly enjoyable smoke. It could give Old Toby or Longbottom Leaf a run for their money, should the Southfarthing producers decide to branch out of pipes into cigars.

Excellent, She Hobbit! Thank you! It was great to visit with you in the cigar lounge in Texas!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at October 26, 2025 07:00 PM (+qU29)

2 Bang

Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2025 07:00 PM (D+da4)

3 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 07:01 PM (BCwQW)

4 Bsnjg

Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2025 07:01 PM (D+da4)

5 First

Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 07:02 PM (vwL3N)

6 Did I hit it?

Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2025 07:02 PM (D+da4)

7 Bah. Gotta get my guns back up and running after the MoMe anyways. BRB...

Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 07:02 PM (vwL3N)

8 Bsnjg
Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2025 07:01 PM

That's easy for you to say.

Posted by: toby928(c) has drink taken at October 26, 2025 07:02 PM (jc0TO)

9 Top 10-ish?

Posted by: Coelacanth at October 26, 2025 07:03 PM (VuvGL)

10 *waves furiously at Weasel*

DH is still walking on clouds for having made the 800 yd shot.

When I asked him what he wanted for Christmas, he said, "gun stuff."

Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 07:03 PM (urtE/)

11 6 Did I hit it?
Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2025 07:02 PM (D+da4)

Say it again: Both eyes open!

Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 07:04 PM (urtE/)

12 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and thanks to our well-traveled host Weasel for hosting the thread.

I have invited my spousal unit, who many of you met in Corsicana, to join the fray. Please be nice and don't do the initiation ritual until the ONT, 'kay?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at October 26, 2025 07:04 PM (v23vE)

13 BTW, we went from 90 degrees damned hot at the TXMoMe, to 31 degrees and about an inch of snow today. I still have no idea what time it is.

Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 07:05 PM (urtE/)

14
We have four gun safes. We also have concealed carry here.
Chose your way of being shot. We can accommodate you, lol.

Posted by: fourseasons at October 26, 2025 07:05 PM (3ek7K)

15 Please be nice and don't do the initiation ritual until the ONT, 'kay?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at October 26, 2025 07:04 PM

*slides boat oar under the sofa*

Posted by: toby928(c) has drink taken at October 26, 2025 07:05 PM (jc0TO)

16 Weasel,

Thanks for all your hard work maintaining the Reading Thread for the past several weeks.

I enjoyed my time off, but now it's time to get back in the saddle!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 26, 2025 07:07 PM (IBQGV)

17 Cocktail....check.

Gun Thread...check.

Cigar...well...fuck.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:08 PM (Wnv9h)

18 Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 07:03 PM (urtE/)
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Excellent! It was nice meeting both of you.

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:08 PM (fJiXH)

19 TCN is absolutely right. Still glowing from hitting 800, twice, and on purpose! Thanks again to RI Red for fixing my wobbly, dipshittery on the .308. I now understand “no wobbly shit”. Had no idea before the Mo meet in Tx. Thanks again!!!

Posted by: Ak Viking at October 26, 2025 07:08 PM (urtE/)

20 Thanks for all your hard work maintaining the Reading Thread for the past several weeks.

I enjoyed my time off, but now it's time to get back in the saddle!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 26, 2025 07:07 PM (IBQGV)

Welcome back, ~~Kotter~~ Perfesser!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at October 26, 2025 07:08 PM (v23vE)

21 Weasel,

Thanks for all your hard work maintaining the Reading Thread for the past several weeks.

I enjoyed my time off, but now it's time to get back in the saddle!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 26, 2025 07:07 PM (IBQGV)

Ditto. Surprised though no Stephen Hunter recommended books by Weasel.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 07:09 PM (EYmYM)

22 She Hobbit seems to know her pipeweed!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 26, 2025 07:09 PM (IBQGV)

23 Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 26, 2025 07:07 PM (IBQGV)
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No problemo. Nice to see you back in the liberry,

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:09 PM (fJiXH)

24 I enjoyed my time off, but now it's time to get back in the saddle!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 26, 2025 07:07 PM (IBQGV)

I'm so glad things worked out enough for you and Huggy to return, but it does not bode well for my pile of unread books....

Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 07:09 PM (urtE/)

25 Good evening party people, and the rest of you too...
Finally got home from TX on Wednesday, and am still catching up on being away for two weeks....
Have I been to the range: yes, after too long of an absence
Did I practice fundamentals? yes, I did.
Actually, I had to. Everything went very well, except for the few high middle shots = front sight iron. So, I look forward to viewing the video Weasel posted.
All in all, a very satisfying outing, especially considering how long it's been. Think I'm finally building some muscle memory. Even move the target out with good results. Not great, but good.
To be continued in future gub threads....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at October 26, 2025 07:09 PM (IQ6Gq)

26 And a special thanks to nurse for showing me I’m actually left handed with the pistol. Never tried that before either and holy hell what a difference.

Posted by: Ak Viking at October 26, 2025 07:09 PM (urtE/)

27 I still have no idea what time it is.
Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 07:05 PM

We understand.

Posted by: Led Zeppelin at October 26, 2025 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)

28 19 TCN is absolutely right. Still glowing from hitting 800, twice, and on purpose! Thanks again to RI Red for fixing my wobbly, dipshittery on the .308. I now understand “no wobbly shit”. Had no idea before the Mo meet in Tx. Thanks again!!!
Posted by: Ak Viking at October 26, 2025 07:08 PM (urtE/)

Pleasure meeting you and the Mrs. out on the rifle range! Until NZFrank comes back, I think y'all have the distance record for most miles traveled.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at October 26, 2025 07:10 PM (v23vE)

29 Pregame is on. Go Pack Go.

Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 07:11 PM (urtE/)

30 Thank you all for coming to Texas. What an amazing weekend.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2025 07:11 PM (QGLzn)

31 Thank you all for coming to Texas. What an amazing weekend.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2025 07:11 PM (QGLzn)
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What an amazingly good time, huh?

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:12 PM (fJiXH)

32 TCN is absolutely right. Still glowing from hitting 800, twice, and on purpose! Thanks again to RI Red for fixing my wobbly, dipshittery on the .308. I now understand “no wobbly shit”. Had no idea before the Mo meet in Tx. Thanks again!!!
Posted by: Ak Viking at October 26, 2025 07:08 PM

It was great having you on the range with us this year.

Posted by: Led Zeppelin at October 26, 2025 07:12 PM (Wnv9h)

33 Hey y'all! Nice to finally meet everyone last week. I had a great time, and maybe go back again, if we can tweak that roadtrip!

Posted by: SCHNORFLEKITTY at October 26, 2025 07:12 PM (v23vE)

34 >>Happy Halloween! Do you get trick-or-treaters?

Sadly, not many anymore. The kids have figured out that the center of town has more bang for the buck so they all go there. Damn mercenaries.

But I do have one little girl who still comes around with her mom and she's adorable. I overload her with candy. Makes my night.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2025 07:12 PM (viF8m)

35 Carp.. Off sock.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:12 PM (Wnv9h)

36 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2025 07:13 PM (RoO7G)

37 I'm so glad things worked out enough for you and Huggy to return, but it does not bode well for my pile of unread books....
Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 07:09 PM (urtE/)
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Nor mine...I bought quite a few books in just the past couple of weeks...And the public library book sale is just around the corner...*sigh*

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 26, 2025 07:13 PM (IBQGV)

38 Thank you all for coming to Texas. What an amazing weekend.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2025 07:11 PM (QGLzn)
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What an amazingly good time, huh?
Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:12 PM

Yes. Yes it was. Thank you all again for everything you do to make this happen.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)

39 Hey y'all! Nice to finally meet everyone last week. I had a great time, and maybe go back again, if we can tweak that roadtrip!
Posted by: SCHNORFLEKITTY
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Welcome to the grey boxes. Nice to see you in TX, and hope to see you again at future MoMes

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at October 26, 2025 07:15 PM (IQ6Gq)

40 In our 10 day long Torque and Recoil roadtrip, sra blaster and I drove some 4100 miles.

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2025 07:15 PM (RoO7G)

41 >>Happy Halloween! Do you get trick-or-treaters?
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I would if I left the lights on. Instead, I pretend like I'm not here. Just like most days/nights.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 26, 2025 07:15 PM (IBQGV)

42 38 Thank you all for coming to Texas. What an amazing weekend.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2025 07:11 PM (QGLzn)
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What an amazingly good time, huh?
Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:12 PM

Yes. Yes it was. Thank you all again for everything you do to make this happen.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)

Couldn't have said it any better than RMBS did. Y'all are special people for hosting us each year, Ben Had (and RB and CHQ).

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at October 26, 2025 07:15 PM (v23vE)

43 Let's see...no range report this week, but there is a Farrell scope base coming tomorrow for my new rifle. So I got that goin' for me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:17 PM (Wnv9h)

44 Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!

My outing at the pistol range in Texas was...challenged. Frustratingly, I shot poorly with my weapon. It had been a while since I'd been to the range, but geez. WBG let me borrow his gub and suddenly all my shots found their targets. Bang, bang, bang, bang, etc. Hmm... My fundamentals diagnosis was poor grip and trigger due to hands that were slimy with sweat and sunscreen.

Went to the range near home and shot up the center of the target with less slimy hands. Moved the target out and was credible. Whew.

Very much looking forward to watching the video in the content on shooting with reading glasses. I've done that which is great for seeing front sights but awful for seeing the actual target.

Posted by: TRex - fundamental dino at October 26, 2025 07:17 PM (IQ6Gq)

45 The fake 1911 video should be a cautionary tale to anyone looking to purchase a vintage 1911 at gun shows, or any online forum. Learn about what you're wanting to buy BEFORE you start plunking down your hard earned $$. That fake might be a fair buy for $600 or $700, but it's certainly not that for $2k - $4k (current price for WWII era M1911A1s right now). Buy a decent reference source like Joe Poyer's book or Charles Clawson's references first. They'll save you hundreds, if not thousands, by helping you weed out the fakes like the one shown in the video. "Caveat Emptor" (Buyer beware) has always been the primary rule in the collectible firearms game. Don't let yourself get burned just because you took the word of the guy making the sales pitch to you to buy his stuff!

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 07:18 PM (BCwQW)

46 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:17 PM (Wnv9h)
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Great choice. KF is the man.

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:18 PM (fJiXH)

47 Some heathen copied a "Colt" 1911? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

This raises the possibility that the Singer 1911 which I purchased last week from the trunk of a car, in a Wal-Mart parking lot at midnight, might perhaps not be authentic.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 26, 2025 07:18 PM (RWp+V)

48 We are ready for trick-or-treaters! Last year we had over 100 kids show up, with more that we missed, so we bought more loot for them this year.

We do spoil them quite a bit - lots of mini chocolate stuff in small organza bags.

The neighborhood kids LOVE us! 😊♥️

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoSHQ's at October 26, 2025 07:18 PM (SRRAx)

49 The only thing I remember from "The Bee Girl" better known as "The Wasp Woman" was that one of the scientists kept putting his LIT PIPE into his coat pocket.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 26, 2025 07:18 PM (CHHv1)

50 This is possible because of all of you.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2025 07:20 PM (QGLzn)

51 She-Hobbit.
Great review! I've added the My Father to the shoppe list.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 26, 2025 07:20 PM (2WIwB)

52 Range report:

Focused on sight alignment and trigger pull. I shot 45 pretty well. 9 mm one handed good enough to make an aggressor rethink their goals.

I love my Ruger Mark IV. His name is George. I finish every range session with George. Makes me feel good. I love George.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 26, 2025 07:20 PM (mT+6a)

53 Don't let yourself get burned just because you took the word of the guy making the sales pitch to you to buy his stuff!

Or only buy from trusted sellers like the CMP.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 07:20 PM (3nLb4)

54 Evening all
Today's range date postponed til next week. Some of us still recovering.
Couple of after action comments on last week"s amazing 10th anniversary celebration.
The new rules made for very smooth operation on the handgun range. Nice to see so many newbies learning the ropes. Like last year, not a lot of shooters so I got to shoot a few times and get some pointers from Geoff and even a reprimand from Weasel which reminded me to pay attention at all times.
I had limited success Saturday on hte rifle range but really appreciated Blake's couching and next year I'll bring ammo.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 07:21 PM (t/2Uw)

55 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 26, 2025 07:18 PM (CHHv1)
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There is yet another titled "The Insect Woman" which I suspect is also the same movie.

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:21 PM (fJiXH)

56 The neighborhood kids LOVE us! 😊♥️
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoSHQ's
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Heck, I may come down and tick or treat at your house!

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at October 26, 2025 07:21 PM (IQ6Gq)

57 Thank you all for coming to Texas. What an amazing weekend.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2025 07:11 PM (QGLzn)

And thank you Ben Had, for going through all the trouble of organizing and planning everything. And for putting up with all of us.

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 07:21 PM (BCwQW)

58 Great choice. KF is the man.
Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:18 PM

Thanks for putting me on to them! Looking forward to getting my 6.5 zeroed and seeing what it can do.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:22 PM (Wnv9h)

59 Yes, thanks again, Ben Had, for all the work you, CHQ and Rancher Bob put in.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 26, 2025 07:22 PM (UJMvS)

60 Yes, thanks again, Ben Had, for all the work you, CHQ and Rancher Bob put in.
Posted by: blake

What blake said! And we can't say it enough.

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire coined by JSpicy at October 26, 2025 07:24 PM (UjDHi)

61 The neighborhood kids LOVE us! 😊♥️
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoSHQ's
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Heck, I may come down and tick or treat at your house!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at October 26, 2025 07:21 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Now I'm picturing a line of Morons in costume running down the block...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 26, 2025 07:24 PM (IBQGV)

62 stopping the ranges at 1 pm on Saturday made for a stimulating afternoon of conversation. The Horde is so smart and so clever.This makes it even more fun for those who just want to socialize and enjoy the company of like minded individuals.
Now to start counting the days til next timed.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 07:25 PM (t/2Uw)

63 Cocktail....check.

Gun Thread...check.

Cigar...well...fuck.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Here,
Hav-A-Tampa

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 26, 2025 07:27 PM (/lPRQ)

64 waves furiously at Weasel*

DH is still walking on clouds for having made the 800 yd shot.

When I asked him what he wanted for Christmas, he said, "gun stuff."

Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 07:03 PM (urtE

TCN, I meant to mention to him that he needs to dial down from the 700 exactly to get back to zero. Then, dial down to the bottom, keeping track of clicks, so he can find zero again.
Or, buy a new scope with a zero stop.

Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 07:27 PM (jtjbl)

65 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 07:25 PM (t/2Uw)
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Glad to hear the hard stops were well received,p. We plan to make that a regular part of the schedule going forward.

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:28 PM (fJiXH)

66 Schnorf,
Did you you miss the guy from Munich?

Posted by: lin-duh: I'm offended! at October 26, 2025 07:28 PM (nKjbR)

67 Or only buy from trusted sellers like the CMP.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 07:20 PM (3nLb4)

A lot of serious collectors consider the CMP 1911s as "lower end" collectibles because they've been rebuilt three or more times during their long service lives. Sadly, if you want to get an original, high condition early production or rare 1911, you'll have to venture into the waters where the sharks circle for the unwary or complacent.

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 07:29 PM (BCwQW)

68 66 Schnorf,
Did you you miss the guy from Munich?
Posted by: lin-duh: I'm offended! at October 26, 2025 07:28 PM (nKjbR)

Must have missed out on talking with him, ma'am.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at October 26, 2025 07:29 PM (v23vE)

69 TCN, I meant to mention to him that he needs to dial down from the 700 exactly to get back to zero. Then, dial down to the bottom, keeping track of clicks, so he can find zero again.
Or, buy a new scope with a zero stop.
Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 07:27 PM

There is much iron in RI Red's words.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:30 PM (Wnv9h)

70 64 already done RI Red. Thanks again!

Posted by: Ak Viking at October 26, 2025 07:30 PM (urtE/)

71 I hate the smell of Balistol. Love how it works. Hate how it smells.

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire coined by JSpicy at October 26, 2025 07:31 PM (UjDHi)

72 New Glock 19 clone from TriStar.
I saw an announcement for a new 9mm pistol from TriStar, a Turkish firm better known for shotguns. Model name is APOC, MSRP is $359 but I got mine for $90 less than that (before tax, handling, transfer fee, etc.). Barrel is 4", capacity is 15+1. Note that TriStar website does not so much as whisper "Glock" in its listing, but it does say "Industry Standard Compatibility." Ha!

When it arrived, it came in a cardboard box with 2 magazines and an unattached extended magazine well accessory. Sights are sturdy-looking, with green fiber optic dots in the rear and a red one in front. Sights are standard height, as the slide is not cut for an optic mount. Magazines are metal-lined, with a dozen witness holes in the back and no visible manufacturer markings.

So far, it looks like pretty good value for the money. Hopefully, the rain will let up and I'll get to wring it out on the range soon.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 26, 2025 07:32 PM (RWp+V)

73
We flew into Munich and the taxi driver told us it was the wrong time to be there. It was gay weekend, lol.

We saw stuff we didn't need to see, lol.

Posted by: fourseasons at October 26, 2025 07:33 PM (3ek7K)

74 RI Red, meant to ask you which ballistics app you were running on your tablet. Way too many options out there.

Posted by: Ak Viking at October 26, 2025 07:33 PM (urtE/)

75 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:30 PM (Wnv9h)
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It pays to know the mechanical zero point for your rifle scope, so if everything goes to shit, you can "manually" return to zero.

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:35 PM (fJiXH)

76 Howdy

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at October 26, 2025 07:35 PM (sAmhv)

77 Remember a few weeks ago when I mentioned that Everytown was putting themselves out there as a provider of "gun safety" classes? Somebody took one and wrote it up. Linked on Insty yesterday or Friday. Short version: exactly what you expected.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 07:35 PM (3nLb4)

78 Thank you Ben Had, CHQ and Rancher Bob, Weasel, Nurse, Geoff for making this the event of the year. I had one goal starting in January when I found out I needed a new hip and that was to dance in Texas. It worked.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 07:36 PM (t/2Uw)

79 Sometimes it is not enough to have a safety on your gun.

Sometimes you need a Super Safety.

It is a form of forced reset trigger, and as of this date, is 100% legal.

It is possible the one buy might buy one at a gun show and that it would be packaged in an unmarked plastic baggie. like less legal items.

It is also possible that something packaged like that might not have the best quality control. You could install it correctly and it would fail to function as designed while dry firing.

Grok is surprisingly helpful about things in the physical world. You could describe the behavior to Grok, and Grok would provide you with troubleshooting suggestions. Like where to Dremel it to make it work.

Now interested in seeing how it goes with live fire.

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2025 07:37 PM (RoO7G)

80 There is much iron in RI Red's words.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:30 PM (Wnv9h)

70 64 already done RI Red. Thanks again!
Posted by: Ak Viking at October 26, 2025 07:30 PM (urtE/)

Ok, good.
Ackshewally, there is much glass, not iron, in my words.

Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 07:37 PM (jtjbl)

81 Nukes are awesome.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 26, 2025 07:41 PM (2WIwB)

82 It pays to know the mechanical zero point for your rifle scope, so if everything goes to shit, you can "manually" return to zero.
Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:35 PM

*nods sagely*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 07:41 PM (Wnv9h)

83 Watching the 1911 video using closed captioning, and at one point, instead of Colt 1911, it read Cult 1911.

There are no cults in guns, except for, maybe, those .32 caliber people and the Glockophiles.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 26, 2025 07:41 PM (0sNs1)

84 Operation Cue.
Kilotons!
Settles every argument.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 26, 2025 07:42 PM (2WIwB)

85 CMP 1911 sales: Note that the CMP will sell you a brand new Turkish made 1911A1 for $460 or a genuine used to very used USGI model for $1300 to $1100. Just how much "History" are you willing to pay for?

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 26, 2025 07:42 PM (RWp+V)

86 Weasel, any thoughts about a class on collecting vintage firearms for next year's TX MoMe? Because a key part about learning about vintage firearms relies on hands-on experience, not just looking at Internet pictures or videos, having such a class might help someone not get burned by overpaying for something that's worth far less than what they paid for it. I could give a decent talk (with some hands-on examples) about US military 1911s or the Colt Python. Any interest from the horde about these topics?

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 07:43 PM (BCwQW)

87 RI Red, meant to ask you which ballistics app you were running on your tablet. Way too many options out there.
Posted by: Ak Viking at October 26, 2025 07:33 PM (urtE/)

Same as Weasel. Bryan Litz’s Applied Ballistics. Read his book if you want to get into ballistics.

Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 07:44 PM (jtjbl)

88 Heh, my first scope. I forgot how far I'd rotated the turret and, well, first and last time I purchased a scope without a zero stop.

So yeah, what Weasel and RI Red said.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 26, 2025 07:45 PM (UJMvS)

89 Weasel, may try your solution with shooting glasses. I was disappointed to find i still needed the patch on my left eye even shooting outside. My close vision is not great so I could probably use a pair for that purpose anyways. Gooing to check into it.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 07:45 PM (t/2Uw)

90 A couple of weekends ago, a friend brought a Tisas 1911 pistol to the range. It was aluminum framed and had a matching compensator. It was pretty cool.

https://tisasusa.com/1911-b45ba-nssf-c

Nightstalker is the model name.

That shows a list price of 911.23 he paid 6-something at the gun show.

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2025 07:48 PM (RoO7G)

91 Great cigar review, She Hobbit! My Father is a brand that doesn’t sell any bad sticks, and Flor de Las Antillas was a line that put them on the map.

Enjoying a Perdomo Legacy Maduro on the porch now.

RMBS - whatsamatta? No cigar, or no place to burn?

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2025 07:50 PM (Q6s/P)

92 I was still traveling during last week's gun thread and had a couple of comments about the MoMe ranges.

One is, I am truly sorry I did not return and pickup my brass at the rifle range. A downpour started while I was shooting and I left when it abated to dry my stuff with the intention of coming back but got distracted. When I went back later after the range was closed it was already done.

Second is, thank you to whoever picked up my brass. There were probably at least 100 casings. I didn't want it but still should have

To my credit though, I did help pickup brass at the pistol range.

Thank you to everyone who worked at the ranges, and who shared their firearms, ammo, and expertise.

Posted by: fd at October 26, 2025 07:52 PM (vFG9F)

93 CMP 1911 sales: Note that the CMP will sell you a brand new Turkish made 1911A1 for $460 or a genuine used to very used USGI model for $1300 to $1100. Just how much "History" are you willing to pay for?
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 26, 2025 07:42 PM (RWp+V)

Considering some of the prices I've seen on historic Colt 1911s, it's a LOT. Some new cars go for less than some of the prices I've seen for historic, high condition Colt 1911s. BTW, if you do pick up a surplus 1911 from CMP, you can use FOIA to get its post Vietnam (approximately) history (i.e. what unit it was assigned to, movements to/from depots for refurbishment, etc,). The Army made its property records electronic in about 1975 or so. Thus, you can trace your CMP 1911's location in time and place right up to the time CMP sold it to you.

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 07:52 PM (BCwQW)

94 To my credit though, I did help pickup brass at the pistol range.

Thank you to everyone who worked at the ranges, and who shared their firearms, ammo, and expertise.

Posted by: fd at October 26, 2025 07:52 PM (vFG9F)

Not to worry, fd. We got it all policed up toot sweet. Tout de’suite?

Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 07:58 PM (jtjbl)

95 8 Bsnjg
Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2025 07:01 PM

That's easy for you to say.
Posted by: toby928(c) has drink taken at October 26, 2025 07:02 PM (jc0TO)
Bsnjg, Bsnjg, Bsnjg, Bsnjg was his name.

Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2025 07:58 PM (LHPAg)

96 Ok, Range Report:
Today was monthly Aspirin Shoot.
I did not go.
It was “cold” and “damp”.

After Texas, I may never shoot again at less than 80 degrees.

Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 08:01 PM (jtjbl)

97 I really love how upbeat the narration and music are in the Operation Cue reel.

Posted by: She Hobbit at October 26, 2025 08:02 PM (ftFVW)

98 Ed L (or anyone else who might know), any ideas on whom to contact to try to authenticate a NM M1? I tried CMP. They didn't find the serial number in their records but also said that they know their NM rifle records are not complete.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 08:03 PM (3nLb4)

99 I emailed Scott Duff's via his website and never got a reply. I think he's basically retired although his name is still on the GCA Journal masthead last I checked.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 08:05 PM (3nLb4)

100 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 07:45 PM (t/2Uw)
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Try a few in different magnifications until you find a pair that focuses about 4 or 5 inches past your outstretched arm. Worked for me!

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 08:06 PM (4Iy7D)

101 My Father is a brand that doesn’t sell any bad sticks, and Flor de Las Antillas was a line that put them on the map.

Posted by: rhomboid

Oh good, it's not just me! Flor is a regular in my rotation, and one of these days I'll try some other My Father lines.

Posted by: She Hobbit at October 26, 2025 08:06 PM (ftFVW)

102 RMBS - whatsamatta? No cigar, or no place to burn?
Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2025 07:50 PM

grumblegrumblestupidcondorulesgrumblegrumble...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 08:12 PM (Wnv9h)

103 Whoa. Bryan Kelly out at LSU.

Posted by: toby928(c) has drink taken at October 26, 2025 08:14 PM (jc0TO)

104 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 08:12 PM (Wnv9h)
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C'mon over to my house - I am getting ready to enjoy one of the Penn Standard cigars Rhomboid donated to the TXMoMe that I happened to find among my personal effects when I returned home.

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 08:15 PM (4Iy7D)

105
Does he desvert it?

Posted by: fourseasons at October 26, 2025 08:15 PM (3ek7K)

106 She Hobbit!

So fun to share a stick with you! I have a photo if you’re interested. Ask Ben Had for contact.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 26, 2025 08:15 PM (mT+6a)

107 Wow is that highway patrol acting terrible. And Broderick seems sober.

Posted by: actually inside the beltway at October 26, 2025 08:15 PM (cHNrw)

108 93 - I have often wished that I had the foresight to buy several 1911s every year as a retirement investment ...

also, Japanese pencils totally rock. Outstanding quality!
I use all kinds of random pencils too, on a daily basis, but the Mitsubishi and Tombow ones that I have are excellent. I'll have to look into this Hokusei company sometime ...

G'night everyone!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 26, 2025 08:17 PM (kHop/)

109 C'mon over to my house - I am getting ready to enjoy one of the Penn Standard cigars Rhomboid donated to the TXMoMe that I happened to find among my personal effects when I returned home.
Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 08:15 PM

Noice. Enjoy. Shame I can't make it to Casa Weasel.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 08:18 PM (Wnv9h)

110 Had a church version of a MoMe. That's why I'm late.
We didn't talk guns, but it was still pretty good. (We did talk fundamentals, though!)

I hope you all had a better week than me, though mine wasn't all that bad.

Thanks for the GT, Weasel. Now to content and maybe bed early, again.

Posted by: GWB at October 26, 2025 08:21 PM (OXMaC)

111 Thank you all for coming to Texas. What an amazing weekend.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2025 07:11 PM (QGLzn)
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What an amazingly good time, huh?
Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 07:12 PM

I can’t say thank you enough to the both of you!
Newb this year. Regular from now on, no thanks to the both of you, and all others.
She Hobbit…noticed you enjoying a cigar there. It’s not often you see an attractive gal enjoying one. But more noticeable, was your constant ass-busting, keeping things going specifically ice duty. It was noticed and appreciated. Thank you to you and the ball-and-chain. He was busy always as well.
And I enjoy a Captain Morgan and Dr Pepper from time to time. I just felt I wasn’t allowed to admit it.
Having the last snort from a bottle of Basil Hayden now. Best of the bottle, but got a back up yesterday. I find the first 1/3rd of a new bottle can be rude, but the rest is great.
Again, thanks to you all for an unforgettable experience!

Posted by: Gunslinger at October 26, 2025 08:26 PM (7hdjp)

112 oh,
and as always, Thanks For the Gun Thread, Weasel!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 26, 2025 08:26 PM (kHop/)

113 These Steeler throwback uniforms are a crime against humanity.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2025 08:28 PM (viF8m)

114 And I enjoy a Captain Morgan and Dr Pepper from time to time. I just felt I wasn’t allowed to admit it.

Gunslinger, this sounds atrocious. Guess I’ll just have to give it a try.

Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 08:29 PM (iWbgM)

115 Requesting prayers for Brit Lass (Mrs Ellipsis). Has a health scare going on, not sure if minor or major. Thank you awesome people.

Posted by: ... at October 26, 2025 08:32 PM (E0p3T)

116 Ed L (or anyone else who might know), any ideas on whom to contact to try to authenticate a NM M1? I tried CMP. They didn't find the serial number in their records but also said that they know their NM rifle records are not complete.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 08:03 PM (3nLb4)

Oddbob, do you have any idea when your NM M1 was made/sold? If it was pre-1975, I'm afraid that the paperwork is long gone. You'll have to disassemble the rifle to look at the barrel markings (Springfield stamped the month/year of manufacture on its barrels for NM destined M1s) or other rifle components. For example, circa 1961, hooded rear sights were put on NM M1s. See "The M1 Garand Rifle," by Bruce N. Canfield, for additional specifics. This is a very detailed look at the history of the M1 Garand, and is still in print. It's a thick hardcover, and runs $95 on Amazon right now.

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 08:32 PM (BCwQW)

117 Posted by: Gunslinger at October 26, 2025 08:26 PM (7hdjp)
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So glad you made it!

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 08:32 PM (jH5TK)

118 Nurse, that would be stupendous! I'll give Ben Had a jingle.

Gunslinger, aw, now I'm blushing. I may or may not extend your thanks to BruceWayne... don't want him to get a big head.

Posted by: She Hobbit at October 26, 2025 08:33 PM (ftFVW)

119 Captain Morgan and Dr Pepper
_-_
I grew up in the Texas panhandle, so I prefer my Dr. Pepper straight.
When I was a pup, you could ask for a Coke, they give you a Dr. Pepper, and it was exactly what you wanted.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at October 26, 2025 08:34 PM (vd6bO)

120 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 26, 2025 08:26 PM (kHop/)
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You betcha!

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 08:35 PM (jH5TK)

121 115 Requesting prayers for Brit Lass (Mrs Ellipsis). Has a health scare going on, not sure if minor or major. Thank you awesome people.
Posted by: ... at October 26, 2025 08:32 PM (E0p3T)

Not to worry. Got it covered.

Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 08:36 PM (urtE/)

122 prayers for Brit Lass
_-_
Prayers offered. I hope she comes out all right!

Posted by: Don in SoCo at October 26, 2025 08:37 PM (vd6bO)

123 The Original Crackhead Slammer

1 shot Peppermint Schnapps
1 shot Cinnamon Schnapps
8 oz. Dr Pepper

Serve over ice.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 26, 2025 08:39 PM (RWp+V)

124 Eyesight guy hits on one of my preaching points: point shooting. If you properly align your gun so it points where you do and refine that, it makes everything else easier. I think not enough people connect their ability to point (hint: what shape is your hand in when you point?) with aiming a gun.

I wouldn't want you to try and only point-shoot. But when you use your natural pointing ability with other aiming fundamentals, your fallback position when everything goes in the pot will be that much better.

And he says it helps when the sights get blurry. Huh.

Posted by: GWB at October 26, 2025 08:40 PM (6xADL)

125 >>Captain Morgan and Dr Pepper

Oy

Posted by: JackStraw at October 26, 2025 08:42 PM (viF8m)

126 I'm a huge My Father fan. I would recommend The Judge from that line.

I hope everyone had a great weekend!

Posted by: Frasier Crane at October 26, 2025 08:42 PM (CWMF2)

127
I hate peppermint and cinnamon.

I hope ya'll enjoy it.

Posted by: fourseasons at October 26, 2025 08:43 PM (3ek7K)

128 Weasel, I forgot to mention something last week.
How about a 25 meter paper target for those who bring in-zeroed iron sight AR 15s?
Memory has it that zero at 25 meters means zero at 300 as well.

Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 08:44 PM (pf+DM)

129 I really love how upbeat the narration and music are in the Operation Cue reel.
Posted by: She Hobbit at October 26, 2025 08:02 PM (ftFVW)
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No reason to be all gloomy and serious!

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 08:44 PM (jH5TK)

130 Ed L (or anyone else who might know), any ideas on whom to contact to try to authenticate a NM M1? I tried CMP. They didn't find the serial number in their records but also said that they know their NM rifle records are not complete.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 08:03 PM (3nLb4)

The Canfield book also points out that it was common for civilians to modify surplus M1s to National Match standards from the 1950s to the end of the 1970s. NRA publications routinely published articles during this time period about how to "tune" an M1 to NM standards. Consequently, it's very possible that your M1 could have had someone modify it to NM standards even though it never took part in any NM competitions.

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 08:45 PM (BCwQW)

131 Un-zeroed, of course.

Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 08:45 PM (pf+DM)

132 any ideas on whom to contact to try to authenticate a NM M1?

CMP runs a forum that is full of knowledgeable collectors.

https://forums.thecmp.org

I think you have to register to be allowed into the forum.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 26, 2025 08:46 PM (RWp+V)

133 Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 08:44 PM (pf+DM)
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Come back next year and I will help you set it up!

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 08:48 PM (eD91D)

134 hate peppermint and cinnamon.

I hope ya'll enjoy it.

Posted by: fourseasons at October 26, 2025 08:43 PM (3ek7K)

That leaves more for me! BTW, what is your stance on okra?

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 26, 2025 08:48 PM (RWp+V)

135 The Original Crackhead Slammer

1 shot Peppermint Schnapps
1 shot Cinnamon Schnapps
8 oz. Dr Pepper

I’m sorry, but that sounds like a terrible morning after. Even one a couple of McMuffins or leftover pizza can’t help…

Posted by: Gunslinger at October 26, 2025 08:48 PM (7hdjp)

136 just can't quit the gun thread, lol:
re:124, Fairbairn had a similar idea that seems to work for me, in firing, push forward as though you wanted to poke the target with the muzzle ... uses that instinctive finger-pointing reflex.
About all I do these days is draw-and-shoot (with the J-frame) without sights, at Tueller-drill ranges; this one-weird-trick keeps them tastefully within center-mass (mostly). this is good enough for my perceived defensive needs ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 26, 2025 08:51 PM (kHop/)

137 Oddbob, do you have any idea when your NM M1 was made/sold?

The barrel is dated 3-63. The serial number is not from the known range (5M-ish?) but from a Scott Duff article I read, near the end of production the DCM had exhausted all of the new receivers they had and were building type 2 NMs on whatever was available so any number theoretically could be legit. I haven't removed the receiver from the stock yet because I am reluctant to disturb the bedding unnecessarily. I will leave that to someone who knows what he's looking for. The gas cylinder has what might be a smeared, painted on version of the eagle and stars that you see on stock cartouches.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 08:53 PM (3nLb4)

138 Posted by: GWB at October 26, 2025 08:40 PM (6xADL)

If you take a look at vintage training films, point shooting was the standard shooting method taught by the FBI (and by extension, to most PDs) for decades until the Weaver stance took hold.

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 08:55 PM (BCwQW)

139 Come back next year and I will help you set it up!
Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 08:48 PM (eD91D)

First rule of Holes:
Never volunteer!

Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 08:55 PM (4dsHO)

140 Buddy and I once drank a Southern Comfort/Mountain Dew cocktail. Second worst hangover of my life. The smell of Southern Comfort makes me queasy to this day.

First worst was Ouzo in Crete. Had to get drunk on beer the next afternoon to kill that hangover.

Be all you can be. US Army. Hooah!

Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at October 26, 2025 08:57 PM (0aYVJ)

141 I’m sorry, but that sounds like a terrible morning after. Even one a couple of McMuffins or leftover pizza can’t help…
Posted by: Gunslinger at October 26, 2025 08:48 PM (7hdjp)

The original would be pretty rough for an evening of serious drinking; however, if you dilute it down with additional soda pop, it makes a dandy beverage for day-drinking.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 26, 2025 08:58 PM (RWp+V)

142 First worst was Ouzo in Crete. Had to get drunk on beer the next afternoon to kill that hangover.

Be all you can be. US Army. Hooah!
Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at October 26, 2025 08:57 PM (0aYVJ)

At least it wasn't retsina and coke.

Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2025 08:59 PM (RoO7G)

143 Milton Friedman's essay on the pencil is dead-on how it's done.

Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2025 09:01 PM (LHPAg)

144 First worst was Ouzo in Crete. Had to get drunk on beer the next afternoon to kill that hangover.

Be all you can be. US Army. Hooah!
Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at October 26, 2025 08:57 PM (0aYVJ)

At least it wasn't retsina and coke.
Posted by: blaster

Prison chalk/hootch has entered the chat.

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire coined by JSpicy at October 26, 2025 09:03 PM (UjDHi)

145 First worst was Ouzo in Crete. Had to get drunk on beer the next afternoon to kill that hangover.

Be all you can be. US Army. Hooah!
Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at October 26, 2025 08:57 PM (0aYVJ)

At least it wasn't retsina and coke.
Posted by: blaster at October 26, 2025 08:59 PM

Dudes...y'all are hurting my Greek soul, here.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 09:04 PM (Wnv9h)

146 you dilute it down with additional soda pop, it makes a dandy beverage for day-drinking.

But no power tools or sharp objects!

I’m still convinced you won’t like the next morning.

Posted by: Gunslinger at October 26, 2025 09:07 PM (7hdjp)

147 Wow, that pencil video was fascinating. The constant quality checks makes this former QC employee happy!

Posted by: pookysgirl has checked a LOT of paint at October 26, 2025 09:07 PM (Wt5PA)

148 115 Requesting prayers for Brit Lass (Mrs Ellipsis). Has a health scare going on, not sure if minor or major. Thank you awesome people.
Posted by: ... at October 26, 2025 08:32 PM (E0p3T)

Prayers up, ellipsis, for it to be minor.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at October 26, 2025 09:08 PM (v23vE)

149
Idaho Spudboy,

I grew up in the south and I love okra.

Posted by: four seasons at October 26, 2025 09:11 PM (3ek7K)

150 Requesting prayers for Brit Lass (Mrs Ellipsis).
Posted by: ...

Praying!

Posted by: mikeski at October 26, 2025 09:12 PM (nhCoE)

151 Another good squall rolling through

Lots of folks out of power. Mine was out for a couple hours. All good. Warm and safe and happy.

Love y’all.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 26, 2025 09:12 PM (mT+6a)

152 Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 08:53 PM (3nLb4)

Oddbob, per the Canfield book, here are some characteristics of the 1963 NM M1s:
- "F7791035" markings on barrels. This ID's NM barrels vs. standard barrels.
- Rear sight base marked "NM/2A."
- Operating rod marked "NM" on the handle.
- "7790722-RA" drawing number marked on operating rod.

Surplus NM parts were cheaply sold by DCM (now CMP) in the 1970s and 1980s, so the presence of NM parts in and of themselves, does not confirm that your M1 is a Springfield Armory manufactured NM rifle.

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 09:13 PM (BCwQW)

153 And. I’m locked and loaded.

Nothing to worry about en mi casa.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 26, 2025 09:14 PM (9bYWc)

154 Love y’all.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 26, 2025 09:12 PM (mT+6a)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 09:15 PM (NmwHz)

155
nurse,

we are also locked and loaded here.

Posted by: four seasons at October 26, 2025 09:15 PM (3ek7K)

156 Oddbob, the Canfield book has a lot of reproduced Army Ordinance drawings showing where NM rifles were marked, and multiple close up shots of specimen rifles showing NM markings. Obviously, there's a lot more than I can talk about here.

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 09:17 PM (BCwQW)

157 Hi'ya Nurse. Glad you are comfy.

Posted by: DBCooper at October 26, 2025 09:17 PM (4JrlJ)

158 And. I’m locked and loaded.

Nothing to worry about en mi casa.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 26, 2025 09:14 PM

Give Lucy the Fink all the scritches.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 09:18 PM (Wnv9h)

159 Another good squall rolling through
Lots of folks out of power. Mine was out for a couple hours. All good. Warm and safe and happy.

Heard you were going to get the worst of it up there. Comparatively mild here in the north of Sac area...
Except the deluge of leaves! I can’t keep up.
But the end is near.
Stay warm and dry.

Posted by: Gunslinger at October 26, 2025 09:19 PM (7hdjp)

160 I still have no idea what time it is.
Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 26, 2025 07:05 PM

We understand.
Posted by: Led Zeppelin at October 26, 2025 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)

Huh? It's 25 or 6 to 4. That should be obvious.

Posted by: Chicago at October 26, 2025 09:20 PM (GHq+I)

161 Huh? It's 25 or 6 to 4. That should be obvious.
Posted by: Chicago at October 26, 2025 09:20 PM (GHq+I)

Does anyone really know what time it is? Does anyone really care about time?

Posted by: Terry Kath at October 26, 2025 09:21 PM (vwL3N)

162 Thank you all for coming to Texas. What an amazing weekend.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 26, 2025 07:11 PM (QGLzn)

Thank YOU for being the most gracious host ever!

Posted by: Chicago at October 26, 2025 09:21 PM (gwF/w)

163 Posted by: ... at October 26, 2025 08:32 PM (E0p3T)

Sending prayers.

Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at October 26, 2025 09:23 PM (0aYVJ)

164 Oddbob, I hope these tidbits of information about NM M1s I posted help you out.

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 09:25 PM (BCwQW)

165

Just got a text that youngest grandson is sick with a cold. We feel bad he is sick, but wth, before texting was available we wouldn't know about this.

Texting is great for some things, but we don't need to know when everyone is sick.

Posted by: four seasons at October 26, 2025 09:26 PM (3ek7K)

166 Be all you can be. US Army. Hooah!
Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at October 26, 2025 08:57 PM (0aYVJ)

Dad? That you? : )

Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 09:27 PM (vwL3N)

167
Idaho Spudboy,
I grew up in the south and I love okra.
Posted by: four seasons

Anyway, like I was sayin', okra is the fruit of the garden. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, sauté it. Dey's uh, okra-kabobs, okra creole, okra gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple okra, lemon okra, coconut okra, pepper okra, okra soup, okra stew, okra salad, okra and potatoes, okra burger, okra sandwich. That—that's about it.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at October 26, 2025 09:28 PM (QVmho)

168 Thanks for another great Gun Thread, Weasel.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 26, 2025 09:30 PM (Wnv9h)

169 - "F7791035" markings on barrels. This ID's NM barrels vs. standard barrels.

Marked SA 7791035 (no F)

- Rear sight base marked "NM/2A."

I don't see the base marked NM but the knob and aperture are marked and the windage reference lines on the heel are much closer together than on my other M1s.

- Operating rod marked "NM" on the handle.

Check.

- "7790722-RA" drawing number marked on operating rod.

Can't see a number without removing from the stock.

Thanks for all the help.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 09:30 PM (3nLb4)

170 Pretty sure that OSHA would go berserk in that pencil factory.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 26, 2025 09:32 PM (XeU6L)

171 Now I'm picturing a line of Morons in costume running down the block...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 26, 2025 07:24 PM (IBQGV)

That's a truly scary image in my head. Especially since they're well-armed. Well, not scary to ME, but to the rest of the neighborhood....

Posted by: GWB at October 26, 2025 09:32 PM (10Aih)

172 Okra, proof that the devil is real.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 26, 2025 09:34 PM (2WIwB)

173 Always enjoy the odd videos you bring us, Weasel.

I wonder how old is the pencil factory video. Seeing such manufacturing that requires so much human involvement always makes me think, not anymore.

Not like anyone uses pencils anymore anyway. 😉

Basic conclusion from the Op Cue video: Stick your head between your legs and kiss your a$$ goodbye, as they say. Grew up aware of the potential devastation, and fully expecting the nukes to fly at any time. Funny how, even with the potential still high for total conflagration, most folks don't seem to be as aware of it nowadays.

Cue Zappa's "It Can't Happen Here"
https://youtu.be/svdrAHn_LGo

Or obliquely Country Joe
https://youtu.be/ft0vkKCadgk

Or more atomically Tom Lehrer
https://youtu.be/pklr0UD9eSo

Randy Newman
https://youtu.be/4QbUSjnhv6M

or Steve Goodman's "Watching Joey Glow.")
https://youtu.be/u0MCQrY_-iM

Posted by: mindful webworker - bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran... at October 26, 2025 09:36 PM (K0Os3)

174

So husband is pissed at me because I questioned why we need to know whenever someone has a cold.

He has bought into the texting so you know what everyone is doing.

I don't need to know when people are taking a shit, have a cold, etc.

Geez Louise, why do people need to be connected for everything?

Posted by: four seasons at October 26, 2025 09:37 PM (3ek7K)

175 Oddbob, one more piece of information: After 1963, Rock Island Arsenal took over the NM rifle program. Canfield notes that until about 2010 or so, Rock Island provided a verification service authenticating whether certain serial numbered rifles had passed through the NM program. As of the original publication date of Canfield's book (2012) Rock Island Arsenal stopped providing this service. Theoretically, it would still be possible for you to physically go to Rock Island and research their records personally. However, I know most of us don't have the time to do this.

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 09:39 PM (BCwQW)

176 Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 09:30 PM (3nLb4)

Sounds promising!

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 09:41 PM (BCwQW)

177 Geez Louise, why do people need to be connected for everything?
Posted by: four seasons
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I do not text. Period. Would be a PIA with my dumb little flip phone anyhow. No social media. I give my cell phone number to no one. Want to contact me? My land line has voice mail.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, grumpy old guy at October 26, 2025 09:41 PM (XeU6L)

178 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at October 26, 2025 09:41 PM (BCwQW)

179 OK, all y'all. 9:42 thank you time.

Thank you!

Appreciate your being here tonight and hope to see you here next Sunday!

Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 09:42 PM (64qRd)

180
Amen Mike Hammer!

Posted by: four seasons at October 26, 2025 09:42 PM (3ek7K)

181 Memory has it that zero at 25 meters means zero at 300 as well.
Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 08:44 PM (pf+DM)

Might also allow some of us to figure out where in keck our guns pointing. I'm going to boresight my M1 and hope it's at least in the same county.

Posted by: GWB at October 26, 2025 09:43 PM (47RGM)

182 You bet, Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 09:43 PM (64qRd)

183 Thanks for the thread, Weasel. Thanks for the helpful info, Ed L.

Crap. I guess this means I have to get up and go to work in the morning, doesn't it?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 09:46 PM (3nLb4)

184 Crap. I guess this means I have to get up and go to work in the morning, doesn't it?
Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 09:46 PM (3nLb4)
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Bummer.

My former boss has invited me to lunch on Wednesday to "catch up" on things.

Posted by: Weasel at October 26, 2025 09:48 PM (64qRd)

185 Thanks Horde and thanks Weasel. Always appreciate the gub thread.

Posted by: TRex - fundamental dino at October 26, 2025 09:48 PM (IQ6Gq)

186 Thx, Weasel. I’ll be here, Lord willing and the oceans don’t rise.

Posted by: RI Red at October 26, 2025 09:49 PM (HQEEh)

187 My former boss has invited me to lunch on Wednesday to "catch up" on things.

And just after the end of the fiscal year. What a coincidence!

Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 09:50 PM (3nLb4)

188 The reading glasses things works. 2 years ago when I brought some handguns to the mome it was 30-35 years since I shot them. Needless to say my eyes had changed in that time. I couldn't see the sights, blurry as all hell. Yeah, didn't think of that. I stuck on the readers, which were probably 2.5 that I use for extreme close up stuff, like seeing individual strands in stranded wire, or micro pitting in engine parts, etc, and poof, sights were great, but the target itself was totally blurry, because my long vision is fine. The end result was I was screwed, I couldn't hit much of anything. Recently I tried it with a 1.0 reading glass and it was perfect, sights were good, targets were good as long as they weren't way far away. I'm going red dot anyway since my normal vision is good from 1 foot away out to wherever. Red dots on everything, FTW.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 26, 2025 09:50 PM (snZF9)

189 I guess this means I have to get up and go to work in the morning, doesn't it?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 09:46 PM (3nLb4)

A complete and total lie. A fabrication to keep you from fulfilling your destiny, which is to shoot!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 26, 2025 09:51 PM (n9ltV)

190 Geez Louise, why do people need to be connected for everything?

Posted by: four seasons

They do not.

But it’s fun to get a random text from a friend about a tandom something or other.

Meh. I like texting.

I can also ignore it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 26, 2025 09:51 PM (uE3yD)

191 Thanks, again, Weasel.
Good night all.

I missed a bunch of people at the MoMe, BTW. Scooby for one. Also looking at you, Beckoning. Would have enjoyed having you there.

Posted by: GWB at October 26, 2025 09:52 PM (47RGM)

192 I missed a bunch of people at the MoMe, BTW. Scooby for one. Also looking at you, Beckoning. Would have enjoyed having you there.

Posted by: GWB at October 26, 2025 09:52 PM (47RGM)

I still missed people. I made a hell of an effort to read the name tags, and yet some still slipped through the cracks. I'm reading about people who were there and I had no idea. I think I need to activate my plan like I said before the mome. I'm going to sit on a stool at the entrance with a sign over me that says "Before entering show idiot your name tag"

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 26, 2025 10:00 PM (snZF9)

193 I've posted here before about my jonesing for a sort-of-retro AR15. A mid length iron-sights beauty with CAR-15 collapsible stock, A2 fixed upper and A2 front sightpost, one just like the Rock River Arms LE1030 they sell to law enforcement only.

Well, it turns out they sell a complete mid length upper and a complete lower, and the lower has optional triggers so you can get the better two-stage one the LE model doesn't have.

So you can in fact get a gun just like the LE1030 by buying unbundled.

Posted by: M. Gaga at October 26, 2025 10:00 PM (zeLd4)

194 I've posted here before about my jonesing for a sort-of-retro AR15. A mid length iron-sights beauty with CAR-15 collapsible stock, A2 fixed D-handle upper and A2 front sightpost, one just like the Rock River Arms LE1030 they sell to law enforcement only.

Well, it turns out they sell a complete mid length upper and a complete lower, and the lower has optional triggers so you can get the better two-stage one the LE model doesn't have. You can opt for upgraded barrels when specifying the upper.

So you can in fact get a gun just like the LE1030 by buying unbundled.

Posted by: M. Gaga at October 26, 2025 10:09 PM (zeLd4)

195 why do people need to be connected for everything?
_-_

My phone is always turning itself off due to neglect...causes less trouble when the battery is dead.

Yeah, knowing every little thing brings to mind that line about "How can I miss you if you won't go away?"

Posted by: Don in SoCo at October 26, 2025 10:23 PM (vd6bO)

196 4-point buck (that is 4 per side out here in the West) that I've been watching, on and off all summer, was exhibiting patterns of carelessness and fearlessness. Early season he came out into the hay field at predicted time and location about 200 yards down the treeline where he traipsed a ways out into the open for his first nibble. He is now in the freezer.

I shot seated, off-hand, no brace, my bipod hanging uselessly in the air to keep the barrel above the tall grass. Fundamentals, as our gracious host Weasel endorses, and a scope zeroed out at 300 yards made it a point and click. Helps to have a good trigger on a good rifle and a good round. Self-loaded 140 grain, 50+ year-old, inherited Sierra Spitzers in 7mm. The box of 100 cost my Dad $4.65.

My buddies each had a miss at similar yardages. Practice, people. Practice the fundamentals.

Posted by: Igotnothing at October 26, 2025 10:27 PM (LTRHw)

197 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cDTlgEVA0gQ

Posted by: Don in SoCo at October 26, 2025 10:28 PM (vd6bO)

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