Trump & Rubio Prevent UN’s Global Climate Tax on Shipping; “Principled Free Traders” Are Mute About Stopping this Tax on Consumers

Much gratitude to President Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio for once again putting Americans first, and for also striking another huge blow against the climate hoax and the global “net zero” agenda.

Trump and Rubio not only refused American participation in a proposed “global emissions tax” on shipping that was being pushed by the UN and all the usual globalists, but Trump and Rubio also prevented the proposed tax from being implemented altogether. Team America made it explicitly clear that if the “international community” was going to compel Americans to pay ~~tithes and offerings~~ carbon taxes in service to the apocalyptic climate religion, then the U.S. would impose harsh penalties on those countries voting against us. The international community backed down. As Steve Milloy tweeted about this, “Better than merely not signing a UN climate treaty is punishing countries that do sign. Thank you, President Trump.”

The proposed emissions tax would have increased shipping costs by as much as 10% according to the Trump administration. That is equivalent to a 10% tariff on all goods shipped by ocean carrier.

It’s also noteworthy that the “principled free traders” who incessantly criticize Donald Trump’s America-first tariffs as being a “tax on consumers” are curiously silent about Trump’s success in preventing this global carbon tax from being imposed on shipping. The proposed tax would have been a clear-cut tax on consumers. But as I type this piece on October 19th, I don’t see a single story in National Review crediting President Trump for killing this tax, nor do I see any tweets from the “free traders” I often highlight who incessantly go on Twitter/X to denounce Donald Trump’s tariffs as being a “tax on consumers.” It’s almost as if they are simply America-last globalists who reflexively oppose Donald Trump and the MAGA movement. Therefore, when their friends in the “international community” want to impose a tax that hurts Americans, these anti-tariff “free traders” stand down due to their hatred of Trump and his voters.

Or perhaps, they’re actually being consistent. The proposed emissions tax would also be the equivalent of imposing a 10% tariff on U.S. exports. The unilateral free traders who oppose Trump’s import tariffs have always made it clear that they are supportive of foreign trade barriers and tariffs being imposed on U.S. exports, because that helps put Americans out of work in service to offshoring American manufacturing. This emissions tax would have hurt American exports in the same way.

“‘Huge Win’: Trump Admin Delivers Blow to UN Climate Agenda, Derails ‘Ideological’ Global Carbon Tax” [Daily Wire – 10/17/2025]

A global tax on shipping emissions won’t take effect after pressure from the Trump administration to abandon the climate activist-fueled proposal.
“This is another HUGE win for [Trump],” Secretary of State Marco Rubio said. “Thanks to his leadership, the United States prevented a massive UN tax hike on American consumers that would have funded progressive climate pet projects. Our country will continue to lead the way and put America FIRST.”
Last week, the Trump administration warned that the tax could increase shipping costs by up to 10% and said that it was considering a number of retaliatory actions for countries that support the measure. These actions included investigating countries pursuing anti-competitive practices, imposing visa restrictions and increasing processing fees, and placing additional port fees and commercial penalties.

Donald Trump correctly called the proposed tax on shipping emissions a “green scam” while threatening retaliatory tariffs on those countries who would try to impose this tax on us:

“Landmark deal to cut global shipping emissions in tatters after US pressure” [BBC – 10/17/2025]

A landmark deal to cut global shipping emissions has been abandoned after Saudi Arabia and the US succeeded in ending the talks.
More than 100 countries had gathered in London to approve a deal first agreed in April, which would have seen shipping become the world's first industry to adopt internationally mandated targets to reduce emissions.
But US President Donald Trump had called the plan a "green scam" and representatives of his administration had threatened countries with tariffs if they voted in favour of it.

Better than merely not signing a UN climate treaty is punishing countries that do sign. Thank you, President Trump. https://t.co/0NnxOb7bOs pic.twitter.com/CUsUzrJJCE
— Steve Milloy (@JunkScience) October 17, 2025

Thank you President Trump and Secretary Rubio for continuing to put America first.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 First!

Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 11:00 AM (77rzZ)

2 Well, I'll be.

Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 11:00 AM (77rzZ)

3 Is it not the case that the vote was delayed a year?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 20, 2025 11:00 AM (ExV1e)

4 Why worry about this when you can fret about the optics of commuting George Santos' sentence?

Priorities, people.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:01 AM (GBKbO)

5 The church of climate crisis will never cease.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 20, 2025 11:01 AM (Q4IgG)

6 “Better than merely not signing a UN climate treaty is punishing countries that do sign. Thank you, President Trump.”

This is what I voted for

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2025 11:02 AM (dCxaZ)

7 The church of climate crisis will never cease.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

I thought the climate crisis ended when the Pope blessed that block of ice.

Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 11:02 AM (77rzZ)

8 They are trying to gaslight us about Sailing cargo ships also. I’m sure just as efficient and green as wind power.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:03 AM (EYmYM)

9 3 Is it not the case that the vote was delayed a year?

so we have a year to pull out of the UN entirely

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 20, 2025 11:03 AM (emBoF)

10 anyway this was great! Barry went to the UK to push for this nonsense (plus probaby other things he's not supposed to be doing, ass that he is)

another one for Shit Midas

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 20, 2025 11:04 AM (emBoF)

11 How much were the big polluters like Red China and India going to pay?

Clean up those two crap holes and it would go a long way to making the Earth a cleaner place.

Posted by: The Truth at October 20, 2025 11:05 AM (R/m4+)

12 I thought the climate crisis ended when the Pope blessed that block of ice.
Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 11:02 AM (77rzZ)
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I'M MELLLLTINGGGGG!!!!

Posted by: A Block of Ice at October 20, 2025 11:05 AM (yy9ow)

13 Trump and Rubio not only refused American participation in a proposed “global emissions tax” on shipping that was being pushed by the UN all the usual globalists, but Trump and Rubio also prevented the proposed tax from being implemented altogether.

If the UN is TRULY serious about global emissions on world wide shipping, require every blue water ship to propel via sail.

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire at October 20, 2025 11:05 AM (4MksP)

14 How dumb do you have to be to think a UN tax power is anything short of a national disaster?

Dumb as a Democrat globohomo, as it turns out.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 20, 2025 11:06 AM (cGRqT)

15 The fact that there were no counterprotests shows that Trumpism and MAGA barely exist outside of social media.
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Posted by: ... at October 20, 2025 11:06 AM (HNmLt)

16 The UN has really outgrown its usefulness.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 20, 2025 11:06 AM (2WIwB)

17 It’s also noteworthy that the “principled free traders” who incessantly criticize Donald Trump’s America-first tariffs as being a “tax on consumers” are curiously silent about Trump’s success in preventing this global carbon tax from being imposed on shipping. The proposed tax would have been a clear-cut tax on consumers. But as I type this piece on October 19th, I don’t see a single story in National Review crediting President Trump for killing this tax, nor do I see any tweets from the “free traders” I often highlight who incessantly go on Twitter/X to denounce Donald Trump’s tariffs as being a “tax on consumers.” It’s almost as if they are simply America-last globalists who reflexively oppose Donald Trump and the MAGA movement. Therefore, when their friends in the “international community” want to impose a tax that hurts Americans, these anti-tariff “free traders” stand down due to their hatred of Trump and his voters.
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Free trade is a leftist lie and utopian in nature. US has historically championed fair trade, not 'free' trade because there is no such thing in nature. Nations will always take into account their own self interests in trade regulation and tariffs.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:07 AM (WDjG6)

18 15 The fact that there were no counterprotests shows that Trumpism and MAGA barely exist outside of social media.
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Posted by: ... at October 20, 2025 11:06 AM (HNmLt)

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Just further proof that Trump stole 2024.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:07 AM (GBKbO)

19 Dumb as a Democrat globohomo, as it turns out.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

To anger a Normal, tell him a lie.

To anger a leftist, tell him the truth.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at October 20, 2025 11:07 AM (yjljJ)

20 How much were the big polluters like Red China and India going to pay?

Clean up those two crap holes and it would go a long way to making the Earth a cleaner place.
Posted by: The Truth at October 20, 2025 11:05 AM (R/m4+)

India is like that show Hoaders.

China is like the trailer trash that changes the oil on their beater and pours it down the sewer drain.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:07 AM (EYmYM)

21 Yea, return to the "age of sail." Talk about sodomy, rum and the lash... must be what the cultists dream about when thinking about modern commercial shipping.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 20, 2025 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)

22 Ship pollution? You mean like when a ship full of EVs burns and sinks?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2025 11:08 AM (3nLb4)

23 I’ve noticed something with Tarriffs. They’ve become like climate change. The pain from them is always just around the corner. But never seems to get here.

The head of the EU, the Belgian woman that looks like she could walk right into a Cruella DeVille role, said this weekend we still have yet to feel the pain. But just you wait. Any day now. Just like Florida will be underwater is 2020. I mean 2025. Or wait no 2035 yeah that’s it.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:08 AM (5Yz+T)

24 BDP FTW

Posted by: toby928 at October 20, 2025 11:08 AM (jc0TO)

25 How does the UN have a taxing power?

Posted by: Ben Had at October 20, 2025 11:08 AM (QGLzn)

26 US threatens countries that back a fee to clean up ship pollution.

1) Who would do the cleanup and what qualifies them to clean up ship pollution?
2) How much money would be collected?
3) What is the estimated cost of the cleanup.

Perhaps I missed it, but I see no answers to these questions.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 20, 2025 11:08 AM (Riz8t)

27 Niiiice!

I am really enjoying Rubio as SoS.
Give that man a few more jobs!!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2025 11:09 AM (GbwPZ)

28 How much were the big polluters like Red China and India going to pay?

Clean up those two crap holes and it would go a long way to making the Earth a cleaner place.
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I've said it all along--I'll take "climate change" and "the environment" seriously the moment that the powers that be are ready to FORCE compliance by China and India. Until then, bugger off.

Posted by: Crusader at October 20, 2025 11:09 AM (TN0g+)

29 Or wait no 2035 yeah that’s it.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:08 AM (5Yz+T)

You know how I know you’re not quite 29 like a lot of the Horde?

You didn’t say ‘ yeah that’s the ticket’

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:10 AM (EYmYM)

30 >>Perhaps I missed it, but I see no answers to these questions.

Be comforted in the knowledge that this global tax would be managed as honestly and effectively as the UN's Food for Oil program.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2025 11:10 AM (GbwPZ)

31 Yea, return to the "age of sail." Talk about sodomy, rum and the lash... must be what the cultists dream about when thinking about modern commercial shipping.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 20, 2025 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)

I’ve seen the prototypes and I think there are now one or two that are in service.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:11 AM (EYmYM)

32 >>How does the UN have a taxing power?

It simply decided it did, because it's a bunch of greedy jerks.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2025 11:11 AM (GbwPZ)

33 20 India is like that show Hoaders.

China is like the trailer trash that changes the oil on their beater and pours it down the sewer drain.
Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:07 AM (EYmYM)

I had to stop watching Hoarders when there was the episode with the lady who had kept dead cats in her freezer for so long that they were starting to liquify.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:12 AM (UnA8+)

34 How does the UN have a taxing power?
Posted by: Ben Had at October 20, 2025 11:08 AM (QGLzn)

The same way that bureaucrats have the power to make law - oops, I mean regulations which act exactly the same. Because the elected officials want this but also want to be able to say that they didn't do it. It's just another way to siphon money away from the serfs.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 20, 2025 11:12 AM (ExV1e)

35 And how would that money be used to reduce Shipping pollution?

How about telling up what those solutions would be and see if shipping companies would implement on their own over time.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:13 AM (EYmYM)

36 How does the UN have a taxing power?

Posted by: Ben Had at October 20, 2025 11:08 AM (QGLzn)

I was wondering the same, then considered that this would probably be in the nature of a Treaty, with individual countries expected to abide by it.

And, swearsies, they would all honestly enforce it, with resort to the UN for appeals, which totally doesn't have an anti-Western predilection.

Consequently - as is often the case with Treaties - countries would be giving up some sovereignty to an unelected body of corrupt bureacrats and self-dealing rent seekers.

Trump was right to reject this, disregarding whether one is even into climate cultism.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 11:13 AM (i24o9)

37 How does the UN have a taxing power?
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I love that Trump and Rubio took the lead on killing that idea, but I'm curious whether Putin or his team had formally responded to this? Because I'm pretty sure they had zero intention of paying the proposed penalties either.

Posted by: Crusader at October 20, 2025 11:14 AM (TN0g+)

38 I do think Climate crap is a scam to make money and has nothing to do with saving anything

Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2025 11:14 AM (xatjc)

39 >>The fact that there were no counterprotests shows that Trumpism and MAGA barely exist outside of social media.

Says the unelected EU person about the majority of *voters* here in America.

How about you show us where your support is among the people you rule.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2025 11:14 AM (GbwPZ)

40 25 How does the UN have a taxing power?
Posted by: Ben Had

Treaty power. If a nation state agrees to international bullshit treaties, in this case, the UN sponsored International Climate Treaty, then it becomes binding on those within the treaty.

What Trump did was blowup the treaty by not only refusing to play but threatening to employ painful economic circumstances on those that tried to impose their values on the US.

Same as the International Criminal Court which btw gave us Jack Smith (along with his apparent corrupt behavior working for the ICC). We are not a signatory nor is Israel but members keep threatening to prosecute US and Israeli officials for human rights violations, etc. during wars/responses to terrorism.

Only US threats to go after the members of teh ICC and states trying to enforce their fatwas does the US avoid this. Netanyahu's recent flight to DC took a weird air route to avoid ICC compliant European nations itching to prosecute him.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:15 AM (WDjG6)

41 Buck, please stick to the EV debacle where you are excellent and away from economics where you are not. Yes, the 10% tax is like a 10% tariff which is a 10% tax. The tariff IS a tax on whoever is the last person to pay for a product. (Hint: it's consumers).

I don't read NR anymore so I certainly cannot even fathom their motivations. I'm guessing that their primary reason for not reporting on it is TDS. Last I checked they get economics wrong almost as much as you do so that could be it too.

If you want an honest view on economic issues from a normal and balanced person, read Dan Mitchell. He's very good at explaining things. So good, in fact, a populist could understand most of it. I'll look around today if I have time and see if I can find comment on the tax.

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at October 20, 2025 11:15 AM (P7Iz+)

42 26 US threatens countries that back a fee to clean up ship pollution.

1) Who would do the cleanup and what qualifies them to clean up ship pollution?
2) How much money would be collected?
3) What is the estimated cost of the cleanup.

Perhaps I missed it, but I see no answers to these questions.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 20, 2025 11:08 AM (Riz8t)

It was never about cleanup at all. This was about creating a ten billion dollar slush fund, supposedly run by the UN but actually run by the WEF in Geneva which was to provide a slush fun for all of the international NGO's which had been hurt when Trump shut down USAID.
*This* is why so much of the EU Deep State is furious about this getting killed. The enviro nonsense was (as always) just a cover for massive and unaccountable money laundering.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:16 AM (uWKK8)

43 Speaking of retarded enviro shit…

Leftists came all over themselves when Brightline went into service in Florida. It’s a privately funded train line from Miami to Orlando. Look see, we can build trains and make it profitable!!!!! Yeaaaayyyy!!!

The even started building a line from Las Vegas to Los Angeles that’s supposed to open in a couple of years.

Except there’s a teeny problem. Nobody is riding the Florida line. Ridership is way below projections. And the company will most likely run out of money soon.

Trains are like fetch. It isn’t happening guys.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:16 AM (5Yz+T)

44 38 I do think Climate crap is a scam to make money and has nothing to do with saving anything

Incorrect. It's about saving their power and phony-baloney jobs.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 20, 2025 11:16 AM (Riz8t)

45 do think Climate crap is a scam to make money and has nothing to do with saving anything
Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2025 11:14 AM (xatjc)

And as is SOP for commies, the leaders get the money and they have useful idiots to support their scam.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:16 AM (EYmYM)

46 Trump informing the UN how things are going to be:

https://youtu.be/NWQ8ARE-z9Q

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 20, 2025 11:16 AM (O7YUW)

47 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:17 AM (FO4SJ)

48 Trains are like fetch. It isn’t happening guys.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:16 AM (5Yz+T)

And both are like No Kings. That's going nowhere.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 11:18 AM (i24o9)

49 The Right doesn’t do any large protests as a matter of our personality. And when we do the Left throw us in jail for years.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:18 AM (EYmYM)

50 Anyone still black pilling is missing the best time of our lives. It's win after win despite the constant opposition from leftists.

Trump and team are making the world great again whether they like it of not.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 11:19 AM (viF8m)

51 I’ll take all their climate concerns seriously when they stop flying private jets to climate change conferences at high end Swiss resorts.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:19 AM (5Yz+T)

52 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:17 AM (FO4SJ)

ace called it years ago.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:19 AM (EYmYM)

53 >>Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?

No - and I am loving being wrong!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2025 11:19 AM (GbwPZ)

54 If you want to implement something that helps prevent carriers running to Absurdistan for an easy certification, I'm all ears. Oil leaks, sub-standard hulls, etc. Yeah, that makes sense.

But CO2 being called a pollutant? Yeah, this is a scam.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 20, 2025 11:19 AM (8AONa)

55 CBD, I did not. I had him being very good on South American affairs but he's covering the world.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 20, 2025 11:20 AM (QGLzn)

56 51 I’ll take all their climate concerns seriously when they stop flying private jets to climate change conferences at high end Swiss resorts.

But...but...but they're important people, don't you see?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 20, 2025 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

57 "The church of climate crisis will never cease."

A key point, which defines a supremely important task for this administration.

The non-science and nonsense that form the foundation for this greatest global totalitarian project in human history need to be attacked directly and weakened and discredited as much as possible.

Unlike the first term, where the exit from the ridiculous Paris Accords was framed as avoiding a "bad deal", the boss and his administration now mostly speak directly to the false basis for the entire thing. As with so much else, the destructive thieving idiocy is so entrenched in institutions, the brainwashing and perverse incentives so extensive, that it's really a desperate struggle.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 20, 2025 11:20 AM (U/Byj)

58 I was wondering the same, then considered that this would probably be in the nature of a Treaty, with individual countries expected to abide by it.
Posted by Flounder.
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From the ICJ Article 38
"Article 38(1)of the ICJ divides the sources of international law into those of a primary and secondary nature. The primary sources, which the Court will consider in its decisions, include conventions (or treaties), customary law, and general principles recognized by civilized nations."

Euroland/Third World want to constrain others by citing customary law (like the Paris Climate Accords or Intl Criminal Court) as binding on non signatories due to the majority of nations accepting the treaty creating customary law that applies.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:20 AM (WDjG6)

59
China is like the trailer trash that changes the oil on their beater and pours it down the sewer drain.
Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:07 AM (EYmYM)

Mexico is like the douchebag who runs a pool cleaning business across the parking lot from my shop. He comes in at about 6am and dumps dry cat food by the dumpsters next to my side yard. So now I have feral cats shitting in the yard, stinking up my shop when I open my roll-up door. Plus, I've had strays get in the shop and hide, whining for several days because they won't walk past my office to get out.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 20, 2025 11:21 AM (y9nCu)

60 Dangerous precedent, the UN levies taxes on the world. Who the f do they think they are?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 20, 2025 11:21 AM (PzyNU)

61 About that deer hunt stand being found near the palm beach airport, with a direct line to the stairs where Trump gets in and out of Air Force One...

Good catch by secret service. But I read any deer stands are banned within a mile of airports. So how did it get there in the first place?

If it's not an assassination plot, and is just some Florida man being Florida man, I feel bad for him. Justice won't go easy on him I bet.

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2025 11:21 AM (bDSaX)

62 Perhaps I missed it, but I see no answers to these questions.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 20, 2025 11:08 AM (Riz8t)

"F___ you pay me"

Posted by: Kindltot at October 20, 2025 11:21 AM (rbvCR)

63 43
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:16 AM (5Yz+T)

Wasn't one of the train stations built for Brightline designed too short to accommodate the length of the train?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 20, 2025 11:21 AM (N39Ws)

64 Euroland/Third World want to constrain others by citing customary law (like the Paris Climate Accords or Intl Criminal Court) as binding on non signatories due to the majority of nations accepting the treaty creating customary law that applies.

When Euroland/Third World starts paying my bills and taxes, we can talk. Until then, GFY.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 20, 2025 11:22 AM (Riz8t)

65 "Treaty power. If a nation state agrees to international bullshit treaties, in this case, the UN sponsored International Climate Treaty, then it becomes binding on those within the treaty.

What Trump did was blowup the treaty by not only refusing to play but threatening to employ painful economic circumstances on those that tried to impose their values on the US."
Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:15 AM (WDjG6)

Something truly incredible happened Friday, although few have noted it and the media doesn't even understand what happened. Look at the list of those who opposed this in the UN, which Trump helped organize. They include China, Russia, the OPEC nations, Japan, and S. Korea. (Plus a few others) Together with the US, this group represents about 80% of the Real military and economic power in the world today, which was why the other side capitulated. Which group was the big loser? The EU, which was pushing this, and which got bitchslapped to the ground by Trump and those he got to back him.

This potentially could be the first solid fracture in the 80+ year old Western Alliance, in which America says goodbye to Europe and finds allies elsewhere.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:22 AM (uWKK8)

66 How many deer are there in Palm Beach?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:22 AM (5Yz+T)

67 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:17 AM (FO4SJ)

ace called it years ago.
Posted by: the way I see it at

But only after in in-depth forensic examination of Rubio's garbage.

Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 11:23 AM (77rzZ)

68 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:17 AM (FO4SJ)

We found him beautiful once before.

Posted by: ... at October 20, 2025 11:23 AM (HNmLt)

69 If Musk is ever able to build his pneumatic underground train line , I would definitely be a rider.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:23 AM (EYmYM)

70 “‘Huge Win’: Trump Admin Delivers Blow to UN Climate Agenda, Derails ‘Ideological’ Global Carbon Tax”

Right, the "UN Climate Agenda" Almost as sick of this stupidity as I am of the MSM lies. Amazing how seriously they take this, all while ignoring China and India massive increases in fossil use.

What we are dealing with: insanity, insatiable quest for power, mass hypnosis, brainwashing ...?

Posted by: Ripley at October 20, 2025 11:23 AM (GUOwU)

71 68 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:17 AM (FO4SJ)

We found him beautiful once before.
Posted by: ... at October 20, 2025 11:23 AM (HNmLt)

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No politician is beautiful.

Some politicians are useful.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:24 AM (GBKbO)

72 51 I’ll take all their climate concerns seriously when they stop flying private jets to climate change conferences at high end Swiss resorts.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

Grinding the runways, hangars, and parking lots of Davos into powder could relieve 20% of the world's problems right there.

Posted by: Swiss Time Is Runnin' Out! at October 20, 2025 11:24 AM (oftw2)

73 The LA-Vegas rail thing seemed to make sense, a few years ago. There was easily sufficient demand to make some version of it work (main question was where the LA-end station/s would be located). Anyone who's sat in the I-15 traffic on a Sunday afternoon would be a likely customer. But for various reasons Vegas is now in a free-fall of sagging business. Would seem to threaten the business case for the rail line.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 20, 2025 11:24 AM (U/Byj)

74 No politician is beautiful.

Some politicians are useful.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:24 AM (GBKbO)

This.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 11:25 AM (i24o9)

75 It was never about cleanup at all. This was about creating a ten billion dollar slush fund, supposedly run by the UN but actually run by the WEF in Geneva which was to provide a slush fun for all of the international NGO's which had been hurt when Trump shut down USAID.
*This* is why so much of the EU Deep State is furious about this getting killed. The enviro nonsense was (as always) just a cover for massive and unaccountable money laundering.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:16 AM (uWKK

Truth!

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 20, 2025 11:25 AM (g8Ew8)

76 When one volcano pushes out more carbon in an eruption than the western world does in decades, I don't care about my carbon footprint.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:25 AM (GBKbO)

77 The unilateral free traders who oppose Trump’s import tariffs have always made it clear that they are supportive of foreign trade barriers and tariffs being imposed on U.S. exports, because that helps put Americans out of work in service to offshoring American manufacturing.

This is key. They claim to be all about protecting Americans and insist against evidence that tariffs are on American citizens, but never oppose the tariffs of other nations on US products.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:25 AM (dfIr7)

78 No politician is beautiful.

Some politicians are useful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:24 AM (GBKbO)

Franklin Pierce was pretty good looking.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 20, 2025 11:25 AM (JwNbV)

79 Wasn't one of the train stations built for Brightline designed too short to accommodate the length of the train?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 20, 2025 11:21 AM (N39Ws)

Was it? Lol. I’m not sure. But I can see that happening. It’s all gay and retarded. We have planes that fly at 500 mph in a straight line. And yet people insist on building trains that at best will go 150 mph with lots of obstacles in the way to get around.

Why? It makes zero fucking sense. Other than virtue signaling. If BL investors want to lose billions so they can get Reddit street cred…have at it boys .

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:25 AM (5Yz+T)

80 78 No politician is beautiful.

Some politicians are useful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:24 AM (GBKbO)

Franklin Pierce was pretty good looking.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 20, 2025 11:25 AM (JwNbV)
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He didn't have Martin Van Buren's muttonchops, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:25 AM (GBKbO)

81 Leftists are convinced they can vote themselves wealth and health and moral virtue. Fuck these guys.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 20, 2025 11:26 AM (jFCkp)

82 >>If Musk is ever able to build his pneumatic underground train line , I would definitely be a rider.

Next time I'm in Las Vegas I am defintely going to try the underground Tesla service.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 11:26 AM (viF8m)

83 It was never about cleanup at all. This was about creating a ten billion dollar slush fund

Correct. It would not have actually done anything to reduce pollution, it would have just raised a lot of money for radical, extremist activists to play with.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:26 AM (dfIr7)

84 The deer stand in FL was for assassination purposes...whether to scare or to go through with it, that was the point b/c you don't hunt deer next to airports...ummmm...ever...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 20, 2025 11:26 AM (tOcjL)

85 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:17 AM (FO4SJ)

The sagging business will probably be used as a reason the line needs to be built.

Ignoring the $50 Vegas charges for breakfast and other now ridiculous costs.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:26 AM (EYmYM)

86 *takes sip from water bottle*

Posted by: Marco Rubio at October 20, 2025 11:26 AM (jc0TO)

87 Al Gore made millions from the Climate Scam

Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2025 11:27 AM (xatjc)

88 He didn't have Martin Van Buren's muttonchops, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:25 AM (GBKbO)

I thought you meant beautiful in the "pretty" sense, not in the "all shall love me and despair" sense.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 20, 2025 11:27 AM (JwNbV)

89 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!]

Nope, but it's the kind of surprise I like!

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 20, 2025 11:27 AM (OUMaO)

90 Crap. That was a response to Posted by: rhomboid at October 20, 2025 11:24 AM (U/Byj)

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:27 AM (EYmYM)

91 If I recall correctly, the word Rubio used regarding our response to any country that voted yes was "retaliate", as in the US will retaliate against your country, which is awesome.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 20, 2025 11:28 AM (GYVX0)

92 >>> 68 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?

He did a good takedown of Jon Stewart back in his Daily Show peak, so I had high hopes for him. Then he seemed to get swallowed by the swamp. This revival of based Rubio has been fun.

It also shows a path forward for people mocked by Trump. You can recover and go on to be a big player in politics. Just take your blows like a man and ditch your ego. And you too can be like lil' Marco!

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2025 11:28 AM (bDSaX)

93 Mrs B's job is trade compliance. Some of these countries are out of their minds to start with. One country wants you to calculate and disclose how much cardboard you use to ship items. Frigging primitives. They probably think cardboard is bad juju.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 20, 2025 11:28 AM (we65N)

94 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!]

Nope, but it's the kind of surprise I like!

Eh. He's doing what Trump tells him to do, which he should, but I don't see what makes him so awesome. I think I'll hold on to my hate and contempt, thanks very much.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 20, 2025 11:28 AM (Riz8t)

95 No politician is beautiful.

Some politicians are useful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:24 AM (GBKbO)

Not like you to miss a movie reference! - even if the quote was slightly altered

Posted by: ... at October 20, 2025 11:28 AM (HNmLt)

96 It’s a 45 min flight LA to LV. And there are airports all over SoCal with flights. LAX, Orange County, Burbank, Long Beach and Ontario. Something like 100 flights a day each way combined with all those airports.

Theres no need for a stupid train.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:28 AM (5Yz+T)

97 Thanks, King Donald!

Posted by: Bad Andrew at October 20, 2025 11:29 AM (6qf1m)

98 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:17 AM (FO4SJ)

Before anyone starts humping garbage bins, just remember that he was a shit Senator longer than he's been an awesome SoS.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 20, 2025 11:29 AM (ExV1e)

99 I’ll take all their climate concerns seriously when they stop flying private jets to climate change conferences at high end Swiss resorts.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

Exactly. Live like it's a problem and I MIGHT start to take it seriously.

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire at October 20, 2025 11:29 AM (4MksP)

100
Right, the "UN Climate Agenda" Almost as sick of this stupidity as I am of the MSM lies. Amazing how seriously they take this, all while ignoring China and India massive increases in fossil use.

You mean you don't believe Somini Sengupta?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 20, 2025 11:29 AM (63Dwl)

101 95 No politician is beautiful.

Some politicians are useful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:24 AM (GBKbO)

Not like you to miss a movie reference! - even if the quote was slightly altered
Posted by: ... at October 20, 2025 11:28 AM (HNmLt)

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I was actually thinking of the George Box quote about statistical models. All of them are wrong, some are useful.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:29 AM (GBKbO)

102 About that deer stand near the Palm Beach airport...

There's not a lot of "empty space" around the airport. Hardly enough to support deer. So...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 20, 2025 11:29 AM (Q4IgG)

103 It's a TAX!

Posted by: Juan Roberto, El Supremo at October 20, 2025 11:29 AM (TezPK)

104 Eh. He's doing what Trump tells him to do, which he should, but I don't see what makes him so awesome.

Yeah I think he takes orders well, he's carrying out his job as he has been instructed. I give him credit for doing so, we've seen many ways people do it poorly (gazes at the DOJ for a long time) but I don't think that qualifies him for anything but a role serving others.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:30 AM (dfIr7)

105 41 The tariff IS a tax on whoever is the last person to pay for a product. (Hint: it's consumers).
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz
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That statement is factually inaccurate. All has to do with the nature of the goods being sold and whether the merchandise exporting country decides to either drop their prices or subsidizes their exports to maintain market share.

If you are discussing trade, it has to be a systems approach including the nature of the goods being sold (elastic demand?, inelastic? something in between? substitution effect?). What are the trade barriers preventing resetting of flows of money as predicted by free trade theory.

That is the currency of the trade deficit country declines in value which in turn means that imports become more expensive but exports from that trade deficit country become cheaper on the international market.

A country cannot run 50 years of consistent trade deficits in a free trade environment. Not possible under pure theory of equilibrium that you seem to propose.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:30 AM (WDjG6)

106 87 Al Gore made millions from the Climate Scam
Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2025 11:27 AM (xatjc)

He also made quite a lot from Qatar and Al-Jazeerah.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:30 AM (uWKK8)

107 It also shows a path forward for people mocked by Trump. You can recover and go on to be a big player in politics. Just take your blows like a man and ditch your ego. And you too can be like lil' Marco!

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2025 11:28 AM (bDSaX)

This is my take of Rubio, but with a little more cynicism. He's doing a job that he's told to do, and he is doing a decent job of it. He triangulated and came out looking OK.

Left to his own devices? I think we saw his political inclinations in 2016 and before, and so he should be given a shorter leash than people are giving him now.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 11:31 AM (i24o9)

108 Lil Marco's carbon footprint is expodentially bigger than most people because of the shoe and boot lifts he wears.

Posted by: Buster Brown (and Tige) at October 20, 2025 11:31 AM (oftw2)

109 >>>The tariff IS a tax on whoever is the last person to pay for a product. (Hint: it's consumers).

Only if the tariff is globally imposed, otherwise actual laws of economics apply and the producers under tariff still have to operate in a competitive economy. Some low margin stuff like cables and cheap stuff from China will stay low because they are competing and can't afford to lose the market, or they may go out of that line of business. The producers may hike prices on other stuff, too, and that might bring the prices higher, but this is offset by making the profit in competing worth expanding into the area. On high margin stuff the producers may decide to eat it to stay competitive. All these decisions are made in a real economy with real competition
It is not a simple "tariffs make the world more expensive" though they do act like taxes. It does make the taxing a bit more even handed though, and easier to collect.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 20, 2025 11:31 AM (rbvCR)

110
Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:17 AM (FO4SJ)

Teh Ewok had a serious love affair with Rubio's garbage a few years back...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 20, 2025 11:31 AM (y9nCu)

111 Live like it's a problem and I MIGHT start to take it seriously.

As an aside, this is the problem many have with we Christians: we do not live as if we believe our confession. We do not live as if we fear God, or hell.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:31 AM (dfIr7)

112 Before anyone starts humping garbage bins, just remember that he was a shit Senator longer than he's been an awesome SoS.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 20, 2025 11:29 AM (ExV1e)

I thought he was a good Senator even though I disagreed on one big issue but I understood his intention. I never thought he was in the Senate to benefit personally.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:32 AM (EYmYM)

113 It’s a 45 min flight LA to LV. And there are airports all over SoCal with flights. LAX, Orange County, Burbank, Long Beach and Ontario. Something like 100 flights a day each way combined with all those airports.

Theres no need for a stupid train.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

If there were truly a NEED, Vegas would pay for it.
Hell, we have multiple tour bus companies running Greyhound type buses to Choctaw and Winstar Casinos daily. If there were a need, those casinos would pay for it.

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire at October 20, 2025 11:32 AM (4MksP)

114 This is truly astonishing.

American Conservatives losing only 0.1 fertility since the 1990s is a very under discussed phenomenon

https://x.com/TonerousHyus/status/1979928880937902446

Posted by: Archimedes at October 20, 2025 11:32 AM (Riz8t)

115 Next time I'm in Las Vegas I am defintely going to try the underground Tesla service.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 11:26 AM (viF8m)

You’ll be disappointed. What was promised and what actually was built is nowhere near the same thing. It’s basically Uber but underground. It’s not automated, there’s a driver in the car. So it’s uber but with extra steps to get to stations I stead of having the uber pick you up directly.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:32 AM (5Yz+T)

116 >>Before anyone starts humping garbage bins, just remember that he was a shit Senator longer than he's been an awesome SoS.

When a puppy learns to stop crapping in the house you praise them not yell at them for what they did before. Politicians are no different.

I'm not interested in what Rubio did as a Senator right now. I'm interested it what he's doing as SoS and so far very good..

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 11:32 AM (viF8m)

117 84 The deer stand in FL was for assassination purposes...whether to scare or to go through with it, that was the point b/c you don't hunt deer next to airports...ummmm...ever...

absolutely

it was super busy there! no deer. not for hunting.

scary stuff. they will not stop.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 20, 2025 11:32 AM (emBoF)

118 114 This is truly astonishing.

American Conservatives losing only 0.1 fertility since the 1990s is a very under discussed phenomenon

https://x.com/TonerousHyus/status/1979928880937902446
Posted by: Archimedes at October 20, 2025 11:32 AM (Riz8t)

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Progressive fertility rates have collapsed.

Completely.

Moderate rates are apparently crashing alongside progressives.

The future belongs to those who show up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:33 AM (GBKbO)

119 Lil Marco's carbon footprint is expodentially bigger than most people because of the shoe and boot lifts he wears.
Posted by: Buster Brown (and Tige)

We grow 'em short down heah.

Posted by: Flahdah at October 20, 2025 11:33 AM (TezPK)

120 The tariff IS a tax on whoever is the last person to pay for a product. (Hint: it's consumers).

False. For one thing the EU told European companies that they would pay the costs of Tariffs. For another thing, tariffs drive people to buy local products rather than imported ones, which for some reason many economists don't seem to comprehend, are actually available as an alternative.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:33 AM (dfIr7)

121 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:17 AM (FO4SJ)

No, but I can guess why. He looked like a neocon trolling for hispanic votes. I think he is really focused on freeing Cuba and the US, and fighting Russia was the traditional way to do it.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 20, 2025 11:33 AM (rbvCR)

122 [WILLOWED:

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Me having been away for four days, Cat Schroedinger is being rather clingy, now.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 20, 2025 10:55 AM (yy9ow)

Don't show it any affection. It will sense emotional victory and then become indifferent to your existence.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 10:57 AM (i24o9)

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Funny stuff.

I asked The Bacon Wench to tell you I said "Hi!" the next time y'all get together.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at October 20, 2025 11:34 AM (XrkE7)

123 Progressive fertility rates have collapsed.

parenting is WORK

four letter word to them

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 20, 2025 11:34 AM (emBoF)

124 OT, but this is something I've been harping on for a while:

James Fishback

@j_fishback
The problem with GDP is it measures "total activity," not individual prosperity. A growing population (via mass migration) can make the headline number look strong while life for the median family gets harder. Real progress means improving per-capita well-being—whether one income can still support a family—not just growing the top-line statistic.

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Biden's economic numbers were good. And they were good because they were inflated by open borders. Trump's early numbers are going to be weird because he's cutting back on that.

That we're seeing very positive GDP in the face of mass deportations is something like a miracle.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:34 AM (GBKbO)

125 Lil Marco's carbon footprint is expodentially bigger than most people because of the shoe and boot lifts he wears.

"You say that like its a bad thing!"
--Robert "stilts" DeNiro

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:34 AM (dfIr7)

126 65 Something truly incredible happened Friday, although few have noted it and the media doesn't even understand what happened. Look at the list of those who opposed this in the UN, which Trump helped organize. They include China, Russia, the OPEC nations, Japan, and S. Korea. (Plus a few others) Together with the US, this group represents about 80% of the Real military and economic power in the world today, which was why the other side capitulated. Which group was the big loser? The EU, which was pushing this, and which got bitchslapped to the ground by Trump and those he got to back him.

This potentially could be the first solid fracture in the 80+ year old Western Alliance, in which America says goodbye to Europe and finds allies elsewhere.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:22 AM (uWKK

Ethnonationalists most affected.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:34 AM (UnA8+)

127 As an aside, this is the problem many have with we Christians: we do not live as if we believe our confession. We do not live as if we fear God, or hell.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:31 AM (dfIr7)

You know, last time I checked, the greatest commandment involved a different concept...maybe that's why...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 20, 2025 11:34 AM (tOcjL)

128 123 Progressive fertility rates have collapsed.

parenting is WORK

four letter word to them
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 20, 2025 11:34 AM (emBoF)

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Why bring in children to a racist country that's got only 12 years to exist before the burning oceans consume the nation as the sea levels rise?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:35 AM (GBKbO)

129 This is setting up to be an interesting primary contest in 2028; 3 top contenders are lining up as Vance, Rubio, and DeSantis.

Dems will choose from Gavin, Kamala, Pritzker, Jasmine Crockett, AOC, and Bootigieg. And why not Karen Porter.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:35 AM (uWKK8)

130 Progressive fertility rates have collapsed.

"That's fine, as long as you idiot conservatives keep sending your kids to spend most of their waking hours to us to indoctrinate!"
--Cuckoo Leftists

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:35 AM (dfIr7)

131 The deer stand in FL was for assassination purposes...whether to scare or to go through with it, that was the point b/c you don't hunt deer next to airports...ummmm...ever...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 20, 2025 11:26 AM (tOcjL)

The fact that it was a camo deer stand is not really relevant, since nearly all of them are camo.

If hunting is to be permitted at all within a mile or two of an airport, it should be shotgun or bow hunting only.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 20, 2025 11:35 AM (6Jcjb)

132 Leftists don’t have kids but they control schools and media. They convert our kids to their cause without doing the work themselves.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:35 AM (5Yz+T)

133 This potentially could be the first solid fracture in the 80+ year old Western Alliance, in which America says goodbye to Europe and finds allies elsewhere.

about time. the order established after WWII has been crushing. it is finally ending.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 20, 2025 11:35 AM (emBoF)

134 We do not live as if we fear God, or hell.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:31 AM (dfIr7)

I don’t live in fear of God. I live loving God.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:36 AM (EYmYM)

135 130 Progressive fertility rates have collapsed.

"That's fine, as long as you idiot conservatives keep sending your kids to spend most of their waking hours to us to indoctrinate!"
--Cuckoo Leftists
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:35 AM (dfIr7)

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"My parents railed against the established order because they were rebellious and young and the established order was musty and Puritan. Our current established order is vibrant because we like to use rainbows."
-the modern left

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:36 AM (GBKbO)

136 20
‘changes the oil on their beater and pours it down the sewer drain.‘

That isn’t what it’s for?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 20, 2025 11:36 AM (jbnUc)

137 "But, but, I was assured that Trump's Tariffs were gonna kill us all first!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (XrkE7)

138 132 Leftists don’t have kids but they control schools and media. They convert our kids to their cause without doing the work themselves.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:35 AM (5Yz+T)

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Weird how Gen-Z is the most Republican generation in a century despite that.

Maybe your assumption is bullshit?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (GBKbO)

139 Thx Buck. The UN is as useless as tits on a bull. The only reason the UN got involved in the Korean War was the Soviets were boycotting the Security Council. Since then stupidity on parade

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (8RjCi)

140 I asked The Bacon Wench to tell you I said "Hi!" the next time y'all get together.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at October 20, 2025 11:34 AM (XrkE7)

Thank you, sir. I miss you guys. MoMes are always in the thick of baseball season, and the littles' schedules grow more intense as they get less little.

It's a bummer.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (i24o9)

141 I asked The Bacon Wench to tell you I said "Hi!" the next time y'all get together.
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at October 20, 2025 11:34 AM (XrkE7)
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*waves*

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (yy9ow)

142 >>You’ll be disappointed. What was promised and what actually was built is nowhere near the same thing. It’s basically Uber but underground. It’s not automated, there’s a driver in the car. So it’s uber but with extra steps to get to stations I stead of having the uber pick you up directly.

It's not even close to being finished.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (viF8m)

143 I don’t live in fear of God. I live loving God.

The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom. Fear doesn't mean "terror" it means "respect, awe, and recognition of His power and holiness."

And we Christians live as if we fear the world more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (dfIr7)

144 120 For another thing, tariffs drive people to buy local products rather than imported ones, which for some reason many economists don't seem to comprehend, are actually available as an alternative.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:33 AM (dfIr7)

The bonus here is that it will mostly lock working class Americans out of buying unnecessary entertainment goods that don't contribute to a productive society.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (UnA8+)

145 Marco has been kicking ass lately

Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (xatjc)

146 Who would be collecting this global tax? The UN?

Posted by: Toad-0 at October 20, 2025 11:38 AM (op2vK)

147
Progressive fertility rates have collapsed.

Completely.

Moderate rates are apparently crashing alongside progressives.

The future belongs to those who show up.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava

That's hard to conceive. ~ "Trans-women"

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 20, 2025 11:38 AM (TezPK)

148 "Better than merely not signing a UN climate treaty is punishing countries that do sign. Thank you, President Trump.”

Trump makes the Right look impotent.

Posted by: Fen at October 20, 2025 11:38 AM (jyNP8)

149 Palm beach airport is about as urban as it gets. There’s no deer to hunt. It was 1000% built to shoot a human.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:38 AM (5Yz+T)

150 Progressive fertility rates have collapsed.
Completely.
Moderate rates are apparently crashing alongside progressives.

The future belongs to those who show up.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:33 AM (GBKbO)

my longstanding prediction is that 50 years from now, America will be 50% conservative Christian, and 50% Mexican. Which will be an interesting mix.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:39 AM (uWKK8)

151 Come join my religion, it's fucking terrifying!

....

Not the easiest sales pitch. Need to throw in some celestial virgins, some mundane livestock, and the promise of free and easy domestic abuse if you're gonna take that path.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 20, 2025 11:39 AM (JwNbV)

152 149 Palm beach airport is about as urban as it gets. There’s no deer to hunt. It was 1000% built to shoot a human.

exactly and FLA needs to get busy taking down whatever little bits o trees are around that airport. not needed. not safe.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 20, 2025 11:39 AM (emBoF)

153 About that deer stand near the Palm Beach airport...

There's not a lot of "empty space" around the airport. Hardly enough to support deer. So...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 20, 2025 11:29 AM

There is almost always a fringe of trees and other growth around airports that attract deer and hunters go where the deer go.

Not saying it is an actual hunters tree stand, just saying that it is possible.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 20, 2025 11:39 AM (0N4FZ)

154 Weird how Gen-Z is the most Republican generation in a century despite that.

Yeah but its most as in "the most black people in a century voted for Republicans in 2025". It was more, but still a minority. A small minority. Zoomers are more conservative than previous generations, but still not very conservative overall.

The panic shutdowns definitely pushed a lot to the right in reaction, but its not a majority.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:39 AM (dfIr7)

155 Dems will choose from Gavin, Kamala, Pritzker, Jasmine Crockett, AOC, and Bootigieg. And why not Karen Porter.
____

What about Seth Moulton?! Did you hear he's a veteran?!

Posted by: SETH MOULTON at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (qUkBO)

156 151 Come join my religion, it's fucking terrifying!

....

Not the easiest sales pitch. Need to throw in some celestial virgins, some mundane livestock, and the promise of free and easy domestic abuse if you're gonna take that path.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 20, 2025 11:39 AM (JwNbV)

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Apocalyptic cults have real appeal. I don't get it, but screaming that the world is ending just...appeals to people.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (GBKbO)

157 my longstanding prediction is that 50 years from now, America will be 50% conservative Christian, and 50% Mexican. Which will be an interesting mix.

honestly I'm good with this

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (emBoF)

158 To be more precise, to pre-Trump GOP leadership

"What would you say you DO here?"

Posted by: Fen at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (jyNP8)

159 Weird how Gen-Z is the most Republican generation in a century despite that.
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It was one election. Let’s see a few more before declaring them the most Republican generation EVAH!!

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (5Yz+T)

160
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:29 AM (GBKbO)

No I meant mine. "You found me beautiful once....."

"Honey......."

Posted by: ... at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (HNmLt)

161 So I'm in Oklahoma, and we have plenty of stupid leftists but we bury them in elections (all 77 counties went for Trump in 2024) so they know to mostly keep their craziness in check. BUT, yesterday I'm in Outback (not my call, family chose it) and I notice a kid eating alone--he's probably 17 to 20 years old. White kid, fat, no muscle tone, glasses, crappy hair cut (probably from Sports Clips or something of that type). When he got up to leave, I could finally read his t-shirt: "Destroy ICE". It was a black shirt with dark red lettering, almost like a heavy metal concert t-shirt.

I'm sure ICE is quaking in its boots to know that fat teenager supports destroying them.

Posted by: Crusader at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (TN0g+)

162 Come join my religion, it's fucking terrifying!

Who said anything about evangelism?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (dfIr7)

163 154 Weird how Gen-Z is the most Republican generation in a century despite that.

Yeah but its most as in "the most black people in a century voted for Republicans in 2025". It was more, but still a minority. A small minority. Zoomers are more conservative than previous generations, but still not very conservative overall.

The panic shutdowns definitely pushed a lot to the right in reaction, but its not a majority.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:39 AM (dfIr7)

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The 1960s could never have become some leftist fantasy if teachers actually did have that kind of control over the minds of their students.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:41 AM (GBKbO)

164 False. For one thing the EU told European companies that they would pay the costs of Tariffs. For another thing, tariffs drive people to buy local products rather than imported ones, which for some reason many economists don't seem to comprehend, are actually available as an alternative.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Substitution effect never taken into account by 'free trader' absolutists nor are domestic employment and welfare considerations.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:41 AM (WDjG6)

165 159 Weird how Gen-Z is the most Republican generation in a century despite that.
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It was one election. Let’s see a few more before declaring them the most Republican generation EVAH!!
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (5Yz+T)

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But your assumption precludes the idea of it happening even once.

They've been brainwashed, you assert.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:41 AM (GBKbO)

166 How much were the big polluters like Red China and India going to pay?

Clean up those two crap holes and it would go a long way to making the Earth a cleaner place.

Posted by: The Truth at October 20, 2025 11:05 AM

Not sure anyone will be cleaning up India anytime soon. Not until they learn to actually not shit outside all over their country.

YouTube: https://bit.ly/47lG82d

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 20, 2025 11:41 AM (P5BPp)

167 ‘changes the oil on their beater and pours it down the sewer drain.‘

That isn’t what it’s for?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 20, 2025 11:36 AM (jbnUc)

Waste of good oil. Spread it on the gravel in the back alley to control the dust.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 20, 2025 11:41 AM (6Jcjb)

168 Some politicians are useful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Many, less so.

Posted by: Useless S. Grant at October 20, 2025 11:41 AM (XeU6L)

169 Did anyone have Marco Rubio being this awesome on their 2025 prediction list?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:17 AM (FO4SJ)
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He's lots tougher than I ever thought he would be.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 20, 2025 11:41 AM (Q4ymG)

170 Why bring in children to a racist country that's got only 12 years to exist before the burning oceans consume the nation as the sea levels rise?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

BTW, you can still get 30 year mortgages for oceanfront properties.

Funny how banks are willing to lose money, huh?

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire at October 20, 2025 11:42 AM (4MksP)

171 41
‘ . Last I checked they get economics wrong almost as much as you do so that could be it too.’

What evidence do we have that you know what you’re talking about?
I didn’t see any in your comment, Earl.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 20, 2025 11:42 AM (jbnUc)

172 170 Why bring in children to a racist country that's got only 12 years to exist before the burning oceans consume the nation as the sea levels rise?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

BTW, you can still get 30 year mortgages for oceanfront properties.

Funny how banks are willing to lose money, huh?
Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire at October 20, 2025 11:42 AM (4MksP)

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H1-B reception of 30 year FHA mortgages suddenly went from 6% of all FHA mortgages to 0.5% in May of this year.

For some reason.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:42 AM (GBKbO)

173 The idea of putting those huge ships on a battery diet or even nat gas is absurd. There are companies working on economical small nuclear engines for tankers. That will be a breakthrough.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 20, 2025 11:43 AM (aNKhG)

174 15 cars cops are most likely to pull over:
Subaru WRX. Type: Sport compact. ...
Scion FR-S / Toyota 86. Type: Rear-wheel-drive sports coupe. ...
Volkswagen GTI. Type: Hot hatch. ...
Hyundai Genesis Coupe. Type: Sport coupe. ...
Dodge Charger. ...
Dodge Challenger. ...
Ford Mustang. ...
BMW 4 Series.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 20, 2025 11:43 AM (jFCkp)

175 No, but I can guess why. He looked like a neocon trolling for hispanic votes. I think he is really focused on freeing Cuba and the US, and fighting Russia was the traditional way to do it.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 20, 2025 11:33 AM (rbvCR)

I am all for a free Cuba, but it does not sway the needle on my political meter. For some people, that is not the case, and if they check that single issue box, then they are willing to look past almost any negatives.

That said, he's done a decent job doing what he's told to do. I appreciate that over Trump 1's assemblage of self-dealers and deep staters.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 11:43 AM (i24o9)

176 Posted by: Crusader at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (TN0g+)

But you still have Tulsa.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:43 AM (EYmYM)

177 my longstanding prediction is that 50 years from now, America will be 50% conservative Christian, and 50% Mexican. Which will be an interesting mix.

Posted by: Tom Servo

Evangelicals have made quite the inroads into Latin America, so that may be a smoother mix than you think.

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 20, 2025 11:43 AM (OUMaO)

178 How much were the big polluters like Red China and India going to pay?

My guess is that China at least got some kind of "diversity" exemption

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (dfIr7)

179 >>The panic shutdowns definitely pushed a lot to the right in reaction, but its not a majority.

Republicans actually have a shot at the governor races in both NJ and VA. Looks likely the AG job in VA will stay with a Republican.

There is definitely a movement toward the right in the country.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (viF8m)

180 150 my longstanding prediction is that 50 years from now, America will be 50% conservative Christian, and 50% Mexican. Which will be an interesting mix.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:39 AM (uWKK

By that point, Francistan and Britainistan will be fully Islamic countries, and hordes or Muslims will be performing hirjah from those countries to conquer the US as well.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (UnA8+)

181 it was super busy there! no deer. not for hunting.

48 hour rule. We honestly don't know enough at this point. Whose land is it? Was the stand even facing the airport? And FWIW, deer can become pretty inured to development. I've seen white tail deer living in a one block wooded area surrounded by houses and highways.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (3nLb4)

182 "Apocalyptic cults have real appeal. I don't get it, but screaming that the world is ending just...appeals to people."

I think it's a Mortality Cope. If you're the last of the species at The End of time your existence has meaning

Posted by: Fen at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (jyNP8)

183 Progressive fertility rates have collapsed.

Completely.

Moderate rates are apparently crashing alongside progressives.

The future belongs to those who show up.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Their values are nihilistic. The Globull Warming bullshit has caused severe damage to their state of mind as has promoting careers/credentialism over family formation. Israel is showing a similar divergence in fertility (and happiness surveys as well).

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (WDjG6)

184
... then the U.S. would impose harsh penalties on those countries voting against us.

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Trump 2.0: Speak Brashly and Parry A Big Dick.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (/8DfO)

185 The idea of putting those huge ships on a battery diet or even nat gas is absurd.

I think natural gas could work, but would still be fossil fuels and hence evil to the global warmening hysterics. Batteries are too ridiculous to even consider.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:45 AM (dfIr7)

186 Read that Bezos is building 7 small one's in Washington for his AI dream. Tech guys necessity will lead to breakthrough technology in small reactors.

In the not too distant future a sale's attraction from developers of new neighborhood's will be its own small reactor. 'Come live in our new neighborhood and tell Ready Kilowatt to KMA.'

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (aNKhG)

187 The 1960s could never have become some leftist fantasy if teachers actually did have that kind of control over the minds of their students.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:41 AM (GBKbO)

Schools are part of it. Media is the biggest asset the left has. Not cnn or msnbc. Those are only watched by boomers anyway. I’m talking every tv show, every movie has the leftist point of view as the “normal”. TikTok is why so many people under 30 turned pro-Hamas. Google is far left. And Reddit which while many may scoff at is an integral part of AI content. And in and on.

That’s the power they have which makes up for their lack of breeding.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (5Yz+T)

188 182 I think it's a Mortality Cope. If you're the last of the species at The End of time your existence has meaning
Posted by: Fen at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (jyNP

You're the most important people to ever exist because society did not continue to function without you.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (UnA8+)

189 Weird how Gen-Z is the most Republican generation in a century despite that.

Yeah but its most as in "the most black people in a century voted for Republicans in 2025". It was more, but still a minority. A small minority. Zoomers are more conservative than previous generations, but still not very conservative overall.

The panic shutdowns definitely pushed a lot to the right in reaction, but its not a majority.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:39 AM

Gen-Z males might be more conservative, but Gen-Z females are apparently even more radically liberal than previous generations.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (P5BPp)

190 What stands out most about Rubio now vs Rubio then is that he's visibly having fun now. The whole crew is. They love it. It's like they're all freshmen in college realizing they can live it up without Mom and Dad breathing down their necks all day, say this, don't say that, sit up straight, etc etc. Trump is putting the party back into the Party.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (JwNbV)

191 187 Schools are part of it. Media is the biggest asset the left has. Not cnn or msnbc. Those are only watched by boomers anyway. I’m talking every tv show, every movie has the leftist point of view as the “normal”. TikTok is why so many people under 30 turned pro-Hamas. Google is far left. And Reddit which while many may scoff at is an integral part of AI content. And in and on.

That’s the power they have which makes up for their lack of breeding.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (5Yz+T)

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Then 2024 is impossible.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (GBKbO)

192
Thx Buck. The UN is as useless as tits on a bull. The only reason the UN got involved in the Korean War was the Soviets were boycotting the Security Council. Since then stupidity on parade
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (8RjCi)

And they almost always make things worse, often by military intervention in wholly internal conflicts. The Congo Crisis and the Somali Civil War come to mind.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (y9nCu)

193 I thought he was a good Senator even though I disagreed on one big issue but I understood his intention. I never thought he was in the Senate to benefit personally.
Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:32 AM (EYmYM)

He went hard on immigration. Gang of Eight hard. I seem to recall him being pretty solidly in the forever-war camp also.

I'll grant you that he didn't seem venal but he didn't seem to give two shits about ordinary Americans much either. Maybe I'm wrong. Not my Senator and I've got worse in Cornyn.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 20, 2025 11:47 AM (ExV1e)

194 173 The idea of putting those huge ships on a battery diet or even nat gas is absurd. There are companies working on economical small nuclear engines for tankers. That will be a breakthrough.

Posted by: Braenyard
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One of the copes is working on ammonia powered ships that do not emit the dreaded CO2.

"Ammonia-powered ships are vessels designed or retrofitted to operate using ammonia (NH3) as a fuel source. Ammonia can be used in internal combustion engines or fuel cells, offering a carbon-free combustion process if produced from renewable energy sources. Known for its widespread use in fertiliser production, ammonia is now being re-evaluated as a marine fuel due to its zero-carbon potential and compatibility with existing liquefied petroleum gas (LPG)infrastructure."

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:47 AM (WDjG6)

195 Posted by: Crusader at October 20, 2025 11:40 AM (TN0g+)

But you still have Tulsa.
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I was visiting family--the Outback was with a couple of minutes of Tulsa.

Posted by: Crusader at October 20, 2025 11:47 AM (TN0g+)

196 Evangelicals have made quite the inroads into Latin America, so that may be a smoother mix than you think.
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 20, 2025 11:43 AM (OUMaO)

I was surprised to learn that outside of the US, the country with the largest Pentecostal movement was Mexico. They have put a great deal of effort into expanding there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:47 AM (uWKK8)

197 189 Gen-Z males might be more conservative, but Gen-Z females are apparently even more radically liberal than previous generations.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (P5BPp)

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They're not.

Gen-Z women are as Republican as Millennial men are based on registration data.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:47 AM (GBKbO)

198 On tariffs -I bought some audio CDs from a seller on Discogs site. Seller in Canada. Shipped via UPS. Value around $50. UPS sent me a bill for tariff charge of over $11 00. Discogs claims audio recordings are exempt from tariffs . Shrugs -no more purchases from other countries.

Posted by: Glenn at October 20, 2025 11:48 AM (vneJl)

199 Yo guys, went hunting at MSP this weekend, I ran the pick six and bagged me two deer with my arrow bow! Sweet!

Posted by: Tim Walz! 2028! at October 20, 2025 11:48 AM (qUkBO)

200 A cruel, macabre part of me wanted to see how this UN steered global tax would have played out. First off, the nearly 10,000 strong Chinese fishing fleet that is raping ocean waters world wide (illegally in most cases) wouldn't have complied, and let's be honest, China's legitimate shipping fleets wouldn't have either.

Then, there is the huge huge slush fund this would have created for the UN. It would have been amusing to see which crooks lined their pockets.

Posted by: Orson at October 20, 2025 11:48 AM (dIske)

201 There is definitely a movement toward the right in the country.

I think a better indicator is looking at popular culture. All those "I don't need no man, throw rocks at boys" women are getting married and talking about having kids and a house. Taylor Swift went from songs about how her last boyfriend sucked and going out with the grrls to party... to songs about longing for a home and children and loving husband.

That's a huge cultural shift. We're not seeing it in longer term projects, yet. Movies are still coming out like One Battle After Another because they were started 3-5 years ago, but the worm has turned there as well and we're seeing shows like The Year I Turned Pretty coming out and popular instead of Lesbian Space Witches III: Electric Bugaloo.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:48 AM (dfIr7)

202 And FWIW, deer can become pretty inured to development. I've seen white tail deer living in a one block wooded area surrounded by houses and highways.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (3nLb4)

Yeah but nobody hunts deer in that block. Kinda frowned upon to fire rifles in a wooded block surrounded by subdivisions.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:48 AM (5Yz+T)

203 a couple of days ago there was another protest in front of the US Embassy in Bogotá Colombia, where several police were injured by arrows shot by one of the protesters.

So I expect we will be seeing some of that in our future.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 20, 2025 11:49 AM (rbvCR)

204 Gen-Z males might be more conservative, but Gen-Z females are apparently even more radically liberal than previous generations.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton

...which is apparently wreaking all kinds of havoc on dating and family formation in that cohort. Not the most positive trend, though one that may self-correct in various ways.

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 20, 2025 11:49 AM (OUMaO)

205 Maybe I'm wrong. Not my Senator and I've got worse in Cornyn.

For nowwwww!

Posted by: Archimedes at October 20, 2025 11:49 AM (Riz8t)

206 They're not.

Gen-Z women are as Republican as Millennial men are based on registration data.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Don't dare bring facts to an AOS opinion fight.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:49 AM (WDjG6)

207 There is definitely a movement toward the right in the country.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (viF8m)

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The anti-establishment counter-culture sentiment is now on the right.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at October 20, 2025 11:49 AM (/8DfO)

208 *carefully checks internal data*

Nope, not tired of winning yet. Moar of What I Voted For.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 20, 2025 11:49 AM (kHop/)

209 One of the copes is working on ammonia powered ships that do not emit the dreaded CO2.

Dear lord, don't any of them have a clue as to how deadly and explosive large amounts of ammonia are, if anything goes wrong?

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:49 AM (uWKK8)

210 Israel is showing a similar divergence in fertility (and happiness surveys as well).

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (WDjG6)

Fertility in Israel is 3.06 among Jewish women, and that is up.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:49 AM (FO4SJ)

211 Just saw this on Insty:

Palantir’s P/E is closing in on 600.

Posted by: Crusader at October 20, 2025 11:50 AM (TN0g+)

212 That's not to say that the nation is turning conservative, rather that there is a backlash against a decade or more of leftist propaganda forced on everyone, and a return to normal. They aren't going "WOO MAGA BASED!!!" they are going "enough of this insane crap!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:50 AM (dfIr7)

213 "Ammonia-powered ships are vessels designed or retrofitted to operate using ammonia (NH3) as a fuel source. Ammonia can be used in internal combustion engines or fuel cells, offering a carbon-free combustion process if produced from renewable energy sources. Known for its widespread use in fertiliser production, ammonia is now being re-evaluated as a marine fuel due to its zero-carbon potential and compatibility with existing liquefied petroleum gas (LPG)infrastructure."
Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:47 AM (WDjG6)

Then they'll call Nitrogen a pollutant that has to be regulated.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 20, 2025 11:50 AM (JwNbV)

214 @192 yup, after the Haitian earthquake they sent in Nepalese peacekeepers. Suddenly a cholera variant never seen in the Western Hemisphere broke out . From the subcontinent. Approximately 20k dead. Oops

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 20, 2025 11:50 AM (8RjCi)

215 "The panic shutdowns definitely pushed a lot to the right in reaction, but its not a majority."

We have a problem. Consider

Bob is a convicted rapist, can't hold a job, meth addict

And yet women prefer Bob to Charlie 52%/48%

What the hell is Charlie doing?

I hate to channel The Hag but "why are we losing to these people?"

Posted by: Fen at October 20, 2025 11:50 AM (jyNP8)

216 "Ammonia-powered ships are vessels designed or retrofitted to operate using ammonia (NH3) as a fuel source. Ammonia can be used in internal combustion engines or fuel cells, offering a carbon-free combustion process if produced from renewable energy sources. Known for its widespread use in fertiliser production, ammonia is now being re-evaluated as a marine fuel due to its zero-carbon potential and compatibility with existing liquefied petroleum gas (LPG)infrastructure."
Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:47 AM (WDjG6)

I expect that using ammonia in an internal-combustion engine could lead to some pretty nasty oxides of nitrogen in the stack gases.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 20, 2025 11:50 AM (6Jcjb)

217 ...which is apparently wreaking all kinds of havoc on dating and family formation in that cohort. Not the most positive trend, though one that may self-correct in various ways.
Posted by: Brother Tim
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Those that don't compromise will not breed. The problem for AWFLs is that gen z males are not restricted to AWFLS and many are now dating outside their ethnicity.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:51 AM (WDjG6)

218 Change the oil? You're s'posed to do that?

Posted by: Tyrone the Hoodrat In His '98 Altima at October 20, 2025 11:51 AM (oftw2)

219 Every day brings more happy.

>>@C__Herridge

>>New Move By Federal Prosecutors Against Comey Legal Team

>>Lead Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald May Have Conflict That Disqualifies Him

>>Federal Prosecutors Cite 2019 DOJ Watchdog Report That Found Comey Leaked to Fitzgerald

https://tinyurl.com/ypyrv37m

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 11:51 AM (viF8m)

220 This would never happen under a D prez. Never.

Posted by: M. Gaga at October 20, 2025 11:51 AM (zeLd4)

221 Kinda frowned upon to fire rifles in a wooded block surrounded by subdivisions.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:48 AM (5Yz+T)

I see deer dead on the roads everywhere. It is pathetic. And dangerous.

Maybe city hunting needs to be legalized...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 20, 2025 11:51 AM (FO4SJ)

222 Gen-Z women are as Republican as Millennial men are based on registration data.

But, again, Millennial men are rather leftist on the whole. Election data shows us that women are moving farther left than they were in the past, while men are moving further right.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:51 AM (dfIr7)

223 This is truly astonishing.

Not really. People who want to get married and make babies make more babies than people who don't.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 20, 2025 11:51 AM (ExV1e)

224 But for various reasons Vegas is now in a free-fall of sagging business. Would seem to threaten the business case for the rail line.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 20, 2025 11:24 AM (U/Byj)

People can stay home and lose their money online without all the hassles and smells of Las Vegas. Really no reason to go there in 2025.

Posted by: Las Vegas Bookie at October 20, 2025 11:52 AM (R/m4+)

225 Yeah but nobody hunts deer in that block. Kinda frowned upon to fire rifles in a wooded block surrounded by subdivisions.

True but not relevant to the point I was making. Just because a piece of land is next to an airport doesn't necessarily mean that it's not fit to hunt. As for this particular piece of land, I don't know either way and all I've heard so far is armchair speculation.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2025 11:52 AM (3nLb4)

226 179 >>The panic shutdowns definitely pushed a lot to the right in reaction, but its not a majority.

Republicans actually have a shot at the governor races in both NJ and VA. Looks likely the AG job in VA will stay with a Republican.

There is definitely a movement toward the right in the country.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 11:44 AM (viF8m)

Don't say likely yet...it will be a test of how much ballot splitting and ballot "leave empty" will happen. Ballot splitting has decreased a ton over the years as parties got more separate...we're now gonna see if that trend can be overcome...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 20, 2025 11:52 AM (tOcjL)

227 Then 2024 is impossible.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (GBKbO)

It’s not absolute. Alternative media was a part of 2024. It’s an ongoing battle. That alternative media was pro-Trump generally. That could change. It’s always fluid.

My point is the left doesn’t need to out reproduce us because they have a lot of other tools we dont have. Plus the assumption is kid will vote like their parents. Alex P Keaton happens. You never k ow, kids like to rebel after all.

And as I said before it was one election. It’s too early to tell if it was a fluke or the start of something long term.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 11:52 AM (5Yz+T)

228 Change the oil? You're s'posed to do that?

BEEP!
--his smoke detector

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:52 AM (dfIr7)

229 "190 What stands out most about Rubio now vs Rubio then is that he's visibly having fun now. The whole crew is. They love it. It's like they're all freshmen in college realizing they can live it up without Mom and Dad breathing down their necks all day, say this, don't say that, sit up straight, etc etc. Trump is putting the party back into the Party.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (JwNbV) "

"A good tactic is one that your people enjoy."

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 20, 2025 11:53 AM (kHop/)

230 >>Federal Prosecutors Cite 2019 DOJ Watchdog Report That Found Comey Leaked to Fitzgerald

https://tinyurl.com/ypyrv37m

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 11:51 AM (viF8m)

LMAO. Indict him as a co-conspirator.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 11:53 AM (i24o9)

231 215 Bob is a convicted rapist, can't hold a job, meth addict

And yet women prefer Bob to Charlie 52%/48%

What the hell is Charlie doing?

I hate to channel The Hag but "why are we losing to these people?"
Posted by: Fen at October 20, 2025 11:50 AM (jyNP

Charlie's saying that it's time for daddy to come home and beat the misbehaving children.

Bob is telling them they can party and break shit forever.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:53 AM (UnA8+)

232 I expect that using ammonia in an internal-combustion engine could lead to some pretty nasty oxides of nitrogen in the stack gases.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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They view release of CO2 as the devil while cheerfully ignoring other pollutants. EVs told me that. None of them can actually do systems analysis like the old Suburbans you drive are more eco friendly with a total pollutant emission cost than a brand new Tesla.

Ecologists or the I f*cking Love Science crowd cannot do simple math nor comprehend how to analyse a system.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:53 AM (WDjG6)

233

No politician is beautiful.

Some politicians are useful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Cicciolina was a politician for a time...

Posted by: imp at October 20, 2025 11:53 AM (g6TN6)

234 I see deer dead on the roads everywhere. It is pathetic. And dangerous.

Maybe city hunting needs to be legalized...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Deer and Canada geese are the twin plagues of suburbia. Have designated hunts for them, in areas where it can be done with the minimal possibility of hitting a person.

Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 11:54 AM (77rzZ)

235 People can stay home and lose their money online without all the hassles and smells of Las Vegas. Really no reason to go there in 2025.

And Vegas is viewed as a "boomer" thing (anyone under the age of 30 thinks boomer means "old"), its not cool or even attractive.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:54 AM (dfIr7)

236 Change the oil? You're s'posed to do that?

Posted by: Tyrone the Hoodrat In His '98 Altima at October 20, 2025 11:51 AM (oftw2)
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I'll just drain the old oil out and put new in.

Not sure how I'm supposed to *change* it.

Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2025 11:54 AM (krQz2)

237 Flounder, Rubio is a son of a Cuban refugee who grew up in South Florida. Cuba is the itch he needs to scratch.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 20, 2025 11:54 AM (rbvCR)

238 I expect that using ammonia in an internal-combustion engine could lead to some pretty nasty oxides of nitrogen in the stack gases.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Three cheers for photochemical smog!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (yy9ow)

239 81
‘ Leftists are convinced they can vote themselves wealth and health and moral virtue. Fuck these guys.’

They’re giving democracy a bad name for me.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (jbnUc)

240 "The deer stand in FL was for assassination purposes...whether to scare or to go through with it, that was the point b/c you don't hunt deer next to airports...ummmm...ever...
Posted by: Nova Local "
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Don't live in Pennsylvania, do you?

Posted by: Cosda at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (IE51V)

241 60 minutes did a hit piece of the DOJ about how prosecutors abuse the system, lie, invent evidence, etc. They have many different examples, stats, etc. The left is crowing about it and posting it all over Twixxer which is deeply hilarious because its about cases before Trump took office

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (dfIr7)

242 235 And Vegas is viewed as a "boomer" thing (anyone under the age of 30 thinks boomer means "old"), its not cool or even attractive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:54 AM (dfIr7)

And to anyone under 30, 35 is old.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (UnA8+)

243 forgot something, Trump has given Rubio a different way to achieve it, and a new focus on where the challenges are.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (rbvCR)

244 People can stay home and lose their money online without all the hassles and smells of Las Vegas. Really no reason to go there in 2025.
Posted by: Las Vegas Bookie at October 20, 2025 11:52 AM (R/m4+)

People never went to Vegas just to gamble.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (EYmYM)

245 Ironically, the largest swath of grass and trees near the Palm Beach airport... is Trump International Golf Course.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 20, 2025 11:56 AM (Q4IgG)

246 Gen-Z males might be more conservative, but Gen-Z females are apparently even more radically liberal than previous generations.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 20, 2025 11:46 AM (P5BPp)

Yup. Gen-Z females are whack.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 20, 2025 11:56 AM (g8Ew8)

247 Not sure how I'm supposed to *change* it.
Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2025 11:54 AM (krQz2)

run it though the torque converter and tell it to freak the fuck out on anyone who dares not call it Dexron/Mercon.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 20, 2025 11:56 AM (JwNbV)

248 It's comical how every liberal suddenly sounded like Milton Friedman when it came to tariffs. Apparently that's the absolute only tax that when raised, consumers might pay.

All other taxes, including a substantial increase in corporate and small business taxes that Democrats constantly push every election cycle, are apparently "free revenue" .

Posted by: Leupold at October 20, 2025 11:56 AM (eIzlH)

249 One of the copes is working on ammonia powered ships that do not emit the dreaded CO2.

Dear lord, don't any of them have a clue as to how deadly and explosive large amounts of ammonia are, if anything goes wrong?
Posted by: Tom Servo

Don't forget the corrosion factor.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 20, 2025 11:56 AM (TezPK)

250 lol

I am responding to something and the correspondents name?

Harry Wang

Nice job, parents.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 11:56 AM (i24o9)

251 On tariffs -I bought some audio CDs from a seller on Discogs site. Seller in Canada. Shipped via UPS. Value around $50. UPS sent me a bill for tariff charge of over $11 00. Discogs claims audio recordings are exempt from tariffs . Shrugs -no more purchases from other countries.

Posted by: Glenn at October 20, 2025 11:48 AM

I recently ordered from warlord miniatures company a military miniature company based in England. They charged me a 10% kicker for tariffs. I have not received the stuff yet.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 20, 2025 11:56 AM (0N4FZ)

252 LMAO. Indict him as a co-conspirator.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 11:53 AM (i24o9)
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Remember when a federal investigator indicted somebody's lawyer so that they could confiscate confidential documents on their real target?

Pepperidge Farms does.

Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2025 11:56 AM (krQz2)

253 btw that poor young lady I mentioned last week was found. I mean her body was found.

thank Krasner for her death! beautiful 23 year old girl, just trying to get home from a healthcare job, grabbed by some felonious (but of course, free to roam) psycho from Delaware

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 20, 2025 11:57 AM (emBoF)

254 232 I expect that using ammonia in an internal-combustion engine could lead to some pretty nasty oxides of nitrogen in the stack gases.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

The worst problem is that every automobile accident where a tank of ammonia was involved would create a poison gas cloud that would cover a city block.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 11:57 AM (uWKK8)

255 Don't live in Pennsylvania, do you?
Posted by: Cosda at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (IE51V)

Come on, I was only like two storefronts in to that mall when I shot that deer. That's basically outside.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 20, 2025 11:57 AM (JwNbV)

256 And Vegas is viewed as a "boomer" thing (anyone under the age of 30 thinks boomer means "old"), its not cool or even attractive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Gambling is now everywhere reducing profit margins on it so Vegas, like Disney, decided to focus on foreign tourists who can pay the freight and well heeled types. Will cause long term problems for both of them but corporations and CEOs live for today first.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:58 AM (WDjG6)

257 They view release of CO2 as the devil while cheerfully ignoring other pollutants. EVs told me that.

It told me something even worse--if it doesn't happen in front of them, it didn't happen. After all, the materials for the batteries were mined somewhere somehow, and the electricity to charge them was generated somewhere somehow...

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 20, 2025 11:58 AM (OUMaO)

258 Venmo is down causing huge transaction issues. Lovely.

Posted by: Piper at October 20, 2025 11:58 AM (p4NUW)

259 Pepperidge Farms does.

Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2025 11:56 AM (krQz2)

Good point.

That would be some delicious irony.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 11:58 AM (i24o9)

260 258 Venmo is down causing huge transaction issues. Lovely.
Posted by: Piper at October 20, 2025 11:58 AM (p4NUW)

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Must use AWS.

Imagine how many government functions are being affected.

Shorting Amazon stock seems like a good idea.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 11:58 AM (GBKbO)

261 Ain't no fucking way Best Western Executive Inn in Corsicana is sold out for October 15th - 18th, 2026 already

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire at October 20, 2025 11:59 AM (4MksP)

262 I'm already getting a strong ammonia odor over here.

Wait! Who pissed my pants?

Posted by: President Emeritus at October 20, 2025 11:59 AM (oftw2)

263 241 60 minutes did a hit piece of the DOJ about how prosecutors abuse the system, lie, invent evidence, etc. They have many different examples, stats, etc. The left is crowing about it and posting it all over Twixxer which is deeply hilarious because its about cases before Trump took office
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Nancy Grace was just that sort of prosecutor.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:59 AM (WDjG6)

264 Most printed stuff is exempt from tariffs but the companies have taken advantage of the news to raise prices, blaming tariffs anyway. And a way to stick it to the president because they are almost all leftists in publishing. Like Wal*Mart raising prices on all their stuff claiming its tariffs when they raised it on stuff not affected by them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:59 AM (dfIr7)

265 240 Don't live in Pennsylvania, do you?
Posted by: Cosda at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (IE51V)

The True PA experience involves having multiple deer body check your car from the side while you're driving to work.

And seeing about 12 deer corpses on the a 6-mile stretch of the interstate.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:59 AM (UnA8+)

266 Venmo is down causing huge transaction issues. Lovely.
Posted by: Piper at October 20, 2025 11:58 AM (p4NUW)
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Well we could do with less action from the trans, so ....

Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2025 11:59 AM (krQz2)

267 >>People never went to Vegas just to gamble.

Vegas is one of the convention capitals of the world. It's so unpopular they are building a 2nd airport.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 12:00 PM (viF8m)

268 When casinos stated charging $20 to park I knew Vegas was over.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 20, 2025 12:00 PM (5Yz+T)

269 242 235 And Vegas is viewed as a "boomer" thing (anyone under the age of 30 thinks boomer means "old"), its not cool or even attractive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:54 AM (dfIr7)

And to anyone under 30, 35 is old.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (UnA8+)

I took my family for the 1st time during Covid era (2021). We had a great time seeing the Cirque and other entertainment shows, going to some of the best value Top Chef and known chef spots (Jaime had the best place in the city proper - best food at best price), seeing the Hoover dam and walking to Arizona, and seeing the Mars property, the Mob Museum, and the Nuclear Power museum and the Liberace and car museum (no idea what they were called officially)...did not gamble a dime, but loved the weather and the sights. But it's one and done b/c of the distance and b/c I don't want to be there when folks are partying and vomiting and fighting. I just wanted to enjoy a nice piece of the Southwest I'd never seen...and mark 2 states off my list...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 20, 2025 12:00 PM (tOcjL)

270 Must use AWS.

Imagine how many government functions are being affected.

Shorting Amazon stock seems like a good idea.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

THAT'S what that is. It's affecting our B2B stuff.

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire at October 20, 2025 12:00 PM (4MksP)

271 It told me something even worse--if it doesn't happen in front of them, it didn't happen. After all, the materials for the batteries were mined somewhere somehow, and the electricity to charge them was generated somewhere somehow...
Posted by: Brother Tim
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Food also comes from the supermarket.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:00 PM (WDjG6)

272 rickb223. I may have found a much better alternative . I will email you.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 20, 2025 12:01 PM (QGLzn)

273 Honest question: Say somebody fires a hunting rifle at a deer at an airport and hits, say, a 747 instead. What's the maximum amount of damage that that would do to the plane? Could it actually penetrate the hull, or a tire? Could it damage a propeller? (I'm talking potentially, I realize that distance, angle, etc. would affect the actual outcome.)

In other words, would hunting at an airport present a potential danger to large passenger aircraft?

Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 12:01 PM (77rzZ)

274 Don't live in Pennsylvania, do you?
Posted by: Cosda at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (IE51V)

The True PA experience involves having multiple deer body check your car from the side while you're driving to work.

And seeing about 12 deer corpses on the a 6-mile stretch of the interstate.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:59 AM (UnA8+)

That place and Eastern NY is lousy with deer. I'd never seen so many before or after until I moved to current location. They are pests.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 12:01 PM (i24o9)

275 Shorting Amazon stock seems like a good idea.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Bezos has been doing just that very recently. Down to less than 10 percent ownership now.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:01 PM (WDjG6)

276 270 THAT'S what that is. It's affecting our B2B stuff.
Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire at October 20, 2025 12:00 PM (4MksP)

=======

I'm on a go live call for a project right now, and it seems to be massively affecting the performance of some integrations.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 20, 2025 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

277 >People never went to Vegas just to gamble.

Vegas is one of the convention capitals of the world. It's so unpopular they are building a 2nd airport.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 12:00 PM (viF8m)

Yep but the new breed of business graduates decided to fix what wasn't broken.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 12:02 PM (EYmYM)

278 When weather modification started being discussed seriously in the 1950s, it fell largely into a couple different categories. One was a concern that any techniques derived would be used to deny an enemy the ability to grow crops.

But the general consensus among scientists was any weather modification was to increase arable farmland. More food production. One serious proposal that would have cost quite a lot, was to “paint” the antarctic and arctic regions to absorb sunlight.

They don’t talk about increasing anything there days except taxes, eating bugs, fake food, and rechargeable scooters.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 20, 2025 12:02 PM (YD9e9)

279 "Come on, I was only like two storefronts in to that mall when I shot that deer. That's basically outside.
Posted by: Warai-otoko"
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One of the best places to hunt deer in PA is between the lanes of I-80.

Posted by: Cosda at October 20, 2025 12:02 PM (IE51V)

280 Deer and Canada geese are the twin plagues of suburbia. Have designated hunts for them, in areas where it can be done with the minimal possibility of hitting a person.
Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 11:54 AM (77rzZ)

We could call it "Purge Night"

Posted by: Kindltot at October 20, 2025 12:02 PM (rbvCR)

281 I took my family for the 1st time during Covid era (2021). We had a great time seeing the Cirque and other entertainment shows, going to some of the best value Top Chef and known chef spots ...did not gamble a dime

Posted by: Nova Local at October 20, 2025 12:00 PM (tOcjL)
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Same thing with my wife and I. Went in 2024. Saw Penn & Teller for our 34th anniversary (her idea).

Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2025 12:02 PM (krQz2)

282 In other words, would hunting at an airport present a potential danger to large passenger aircraft?

Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 12:01 PM (77rzZ)

At ground level, not much damage, unless it hit a critical component. The "hull" is thin aluminum. Very easy to penetrate.

At altitude and pressurized to near sea-level pressures? Probably a bigger chance of damage

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 12:03 PM (i24o9)

283 "Gambling is now everywhere reducing profit margins
Posted by: whig "

I'm not much into sports but from what I hear/see sports gambling is rapidly getting out of control. It is going to cause huge problems for youths because it is too easy.

Posted by: Ripley at October 20, 2025 12:03 PM (GUOwU)

284 266 Venmo is down causing huge transaction issues. Lovely.
Posted by: Piper at October 20, 2025 11:58 AM (p4NUW)
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Well we could do with less action from the trans, so ....
Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2025 11

Agreed, but in this case, they are the outfit behind my tap to pay point of sale system and it’s not making me happy. Stupid Amazon clouds.

Posted by: Piper at October 20, 2025 12:03 PM (p4NUW)

285 Vegas has gotten expensive to just go and enjoy, which is crazy. One of its big draws was the cheap food and entertainment, paid for by the gambling. You could get a really nice hotel room and eat for much less than elsewhere, because the hospitality was not an earner, it was there to draw people to gamble.

Now they think of themselves as a vacation destination that also has gambling, kind of a corrupt version of Orlando with smoking and slots. So the hospitality side became expensive as the gambling slackened because of competition from online and tribal casinos.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 12:04 PM (dfIr7)

286 Eh. He's doing what Trump tells him to do, which he should, but I don't see what makes him so awesome.

Yeah I think he takes orders well, he's carrying out his job as he has been instructed. I give him credit for doing so, we've seen many ways people do it poorly (gazes at the DOJ for a long time) but I don't think that qualifies him for anything but a role serving others.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:30 AM

Yeah, I remember when everyone was gushing over Nikki Haley's awesome job she did as Ambassador to the UN and saying she would be great as a Presidential candidate.

There is a big difference between someone being good on their own and someone being good at taking orders.

Rubio is doing his job, because if he does not, Trump will fire him. Simple as that. Not sure why people are praising him for just doing his job. Should be the default expectation.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 20, 2025 12:04 PM (P5BPp)

287 274 That place and Eastern NY is lousy with deer. I'd never seen so many before or after until I moved to current location. They are pests.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 12:01 PM (i24o9)

Once came home to find EIGHT of them in my driveway.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 12:04 PM (UnA8+)

288 Not sure how I'm supposed to *change* it.
Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2025 11:54 AM (krQz2)

The key is that the oil has to *want* to change. Change is hard. Next week, same time?

Posted by: Your Friendly Psychiatrist at October 20, 2025 12:04 PM (PiwSw)

289 >>One of the best places to hunt deer in PA is between the lanes of I-80.

I towed a boat to Chicago on I-80. I counted over 40 dead deer and also saw a lot of red mangled stuff that could have been a deer.

It's a death trap for bambi.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 12:04 PM (viF8m)

290 One of the best places to hunt deer in PA is between the lanes of I-80.
Posted by: Cosda at October 20, 2025 12:02 PM (IE51V)
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Hope that is bow hunting only

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 20, 2025 12:04 PM (IMBwW)

291 =====
Their values are nihilistic. The Globull Warming bullshit has caused severe damage to their state of mind as has promoting careers/credentialism over family formation. Israel is showing a similar divergence in fertility (and happiness surveys as well).
Posted by: whig
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Values of families and motherhood must be returned to preeminence. Also the cost of new housing proportionate to income is higher than at any time going back to WW II.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 20, 2025 12:05 PM (aNKhG)

292 In other words, would hunting at an airport present a potential danger to large passenger aircraft?

Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 12:01 PM (77rzZ)

Absolutely.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 20, 2025 12:05 PM (6Jcjb)

293 I'm not much into sports but from what I hear/see sports gambling is rapidly getting out of control

All major sports leagues are propped up by gambling now. The NFL is the healthiest but still losing popularity (wait til they get a load of Gen Alpha). They literally advertise sports gambling during the games and in the stadiums.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 12:05 PM (dfIr7)

294 Vegas is one of the convention capitals of the world. It's so unpopular they are building a 2nd airport.
Posted by: JackStraw

Tourism dip in Vegas is modest last year but beginning to accelerate. Basic pricing--as you raise prices, you get less demand ceterus paribus. Some argue that Vegas is merely redirecting its attention to up market customers by shedding volume. Disney is doing the same regarding affordability.

But shedding customers is always a risk especially to conventions as plenty of other places exist to hold them and if they are cheaper, then the conventions will go as well.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:06 PM (WDjG6)

295 279 One of the best places to hunt deer in PA is between the lanes of I-80.
Posted by: Cosda at October 20, 2025 12:02 PM (IE51V)

Or I-81... Or I-83... Or US-15...

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 12:06 PM (UnA8+)

296 240 You don't live in PA. When I lived in Erie a deer crashed through the front window of the local newspaper, downtown. Erie cemetery, not far from downtown, has critters roaming through it. I looked out back from my place one morning and there were turkeys in the parking lot. Two blocks from State Street, the main drag through downtown. I don't know about having a stand near an airport, but maybe the guy scouted it and saw deer.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 20, 2025 12:06 PM (gm9Sb)

297 Bring in wolves to kill the deer. --- Harvard MBA

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 12:06 PM (EYmYM)

298 That place and Eastern NY is lousy with deer. I'd never seen so many before or after until I moved to current location. They are pests.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 12:01 PM (i24o9)

Once came home to find EIGHT of them in my driveway.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 12:04 PM (UnA8+)

Eight is pretty standard around here. Down in the alfalfa fields, it is pretty normal to see 30+, after a mild winter. My wife nearly hit (or slightly grazed) another one last week.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 12:06 PM (i24o9)

299 293 I'm not much into sports but from what I hear/see sports gambling is rapidly getting out of control

All major sports leagues are propped up by gambling now. The NFL is the healthiest but still losing popularity (wait til they get a load of Gen Alpha). They literally advertise sports gambling during the games and in the stadiums.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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And inevitably the cheating, skimming, etc. will show up--bribing refs and umpires, bribing players and coaches, and so on.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:07 PM (WDjG6)

300 Same thing with my wife and I. Went in 2024. Saw Penn & Teller for our 34th anniversary (her idea).

I've seen P&T a couple of times. It's a good show if you like that kind of stuff. And they have a reputation for hanging out in the lobby afterwards for as long as it takes to talk to anyone who wants to talk to them.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2025 12:08 PM (3nLb4)

301 OT- Canada's gun war erupts . Saskatchewan ( sp) and Alberta object. Good for them. Video:

https://tinyurl.com/49y7vncm

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2025 12:08 PM (PFs9e)

302 298 Eight is pretty standard around here. Down in the alfalfa fields, it is pretty normal to see 30+, after a mild winter. My wife nearly hit (or slightly grazed) another one last week.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 12:06 PM (i24o9)

I wasn't living in a rural area at the time.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 12:08 PM (UnA8+)

303 Values of families and motherhood must be returned to preeminence. Also the cost of new housing proportionate to income is higher than at any time going back to WW II.

Yeah. As much as we need to clean up illegals and shut down the trans madness etc... this is the future. The huge push against having kids, the massive expense of buying a home. Those things have to be fought and solved.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 12:09 PM (dfIr7)

304 >>But shedding customers is always a risk especially to conventions as plenty of other places exist to hold them and if they are cheaper, then the conventions will go as well.

Vegas is kind of unique when it comes to conventions. There aren't that many places with so many hotels and convention space in such close proximity.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 12:09 PM (viF8m)

305 THIS is what I voted for.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at October 20, 2025 12:09 PM (UZh24)

306
Values of families and motherhood must be returned to preeminence. Also the cost of new housing proportionate to income is higher than at any time going back to WW II.

Posted by: Braenyard

That is where deporting illegals and removing their housing subsidies and other goodies will help. That and reindustrializing. Many communities are actually quite affordable in housing versus the coasts and in the past were industrial centers.

But without jobs, those places lose population steadily.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:09 PM (WDjG6)

307 Maybe city hunting needs to be legalized...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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There are actually companies for hire that come in and thin local deer herds with municiple blessing. White Buffalo Inc. has sharpshooters.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2025 12:09 PM (XeU6L)

308 174 15 cars cops are most likely to pull over:
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Scion FR-S
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I pulled over a Scion. Took off its front nose and bumper too.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 20, 2025 12:09 PM (aNKhG)

309 The True PA experience involves having multiple deer body check your car from the side while you're driving to work.
———

The Department of Natural Resources will rightly cite deer poachers, as the deer are technically property of the state.

Though somehow it’s different when those same deer wreak havoc on the roads.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 20, 2025 12:09 PM (hD+zw)

310 I wasn't living in a rural area at the time.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 12:08 PM (UnA8+)

Ahh. Yeah that is excessive for suburbia. There are places around here where traffic can be stopped for elk crossing.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 12:09 PM (i24o9)

311 299 Bobby Bacalieri of Sopranos fame speaking at the death of Big Carmine. "He was a great man. I understand he invented point shaving".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 20, 2025 12:09 PM (gm9Sb)

312 And inevitably the cheating, skimming, etc. will show up--bribing refs and umpires, bribing players and coaches, and so on.
Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:07 PM (WDjG6)

Yep, gambling corrupts everything it touches. It was better when all gambling was illegal.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 20, 2025 12:10 PM (6Jcjb)

313 And inevitably the cheating, skimming, etc. will show up--bribing refs and umpires, bribing players and coaches, and so on.
Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:07 PM (WDjG6)

very little public morality left, combined with a great deal of money floating around. Recipe for massive corruption and game fixing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 12:10 PM (uWKK8)

314 "Hope that is bow hunting only
Posted by: Huck Follywood"
*******
Not always. Someplace those lanes are over 1/4 mile apart and at different levels.

Posted by: Cosda at October 20, 2025 12:11 PM (IE51V)

315 >>>
"Ammonia-powered ships are vessels designed or retrofitted to operate using ammonia (NH3) as a fuel source. Ammonia can be used in internal combustion engines or fuel cells, offering a carbon-free combustion process if produced from renewable energy sources. Known for its widespread use in fertiliser production, ammonia is now being re-evaluated as a marine fuel due to its zero-carbon potential and compatibility with existing liquefied petroleum gas (LPG)infrastructure."
Posted by: whig
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First named ship will be, "Da Bomba".

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 20, 2025 12:11 PM (aNKhG)

316 Discussed here, the past-due death of the post-war order is the biggest project Trump is involved in.

The whole "For the good of the world, America must support the world and Americans must suffer the burden" has been a failure in every respect but one:
It has massively enriched the globalist elite.

And massively impoverished Americans.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 20, 2025 12:11 PM (r67D3)

317 Vegas is kind of unique when it comes to conventions. There aren't that many places with so many hotels and convention space in such close proximity.
Posted by: JackStraw
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We shall see but I think we have reached and passed peak Vegas. The clue is not what government does but watching for new investments by private corporations. No new buildings, then expect a decline as there already is in employment there.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:11 PM (WDjG6)

318 Agreed, but in this case, they are the outfit behind my tap to pay point of sale system and it’s not making me happy. Stupid Amazon clouds.

You don't have one of those gadgets where you put the card underneath a 3 part form and run the thing back and forth to impress the card number? Maybe even a fancy one where you have little sliders to impress the sale amount instead of writing it by hand. And then take them all to the bank at the of the day in your little vinyl pouch.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2025 12:11 PM (3nLb4)

319 Gambling is now everywhere reducing profit margins on it so Vegas, like Disney, decided to focus on foreign tourists who can pay the freight and well heeled types. Will cause long term problems for both of them but corporations and CEOs live for today first.
Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:58 AM (WDjG6)

I have heard also that the casinos and related businesses are bought out by private equity, and are treating the whole place like Joanne's Fabric.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 20, 2025 12:12 PM (rbvCR)

320 " ... gambling corrupts everything it touches ... "

It does.
Plays right into the whole magic-thinking, something-for-nothing mindset.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 20, 2025 12:12 PM (kHop/)

321 Yep, gambling corrupts everything it touches. It was better when all gambling was illegal.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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I would bet that's true.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 20, 2025 12:12 PM (XeU6L)

322 *waves*

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 20, 2025 11:37 AM (yy9ow)

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Back at you, Captain!

"I'm giving it all I got ..."

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at October 20, 2025 12:12 PM (UZh24)

323 Rubio is doing his job, because if he does not, Trump will fire him. Simple as that. Not sure why people are praising him for just doing his job. Should be the default expectation.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 20, 2025 12:04 PM (P5BPp)

But he IS the best sec of state in a long, long time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 12:12 PM (uWKK8)

324 Well, time to shut down the laptop, and hit the road for AJ.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 20, 2025 12:12 PM (6Jcjb)

325 But he IS the best sec of state in a long, long time.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Probably since George Schulz.

Posted by: Bulg at October 20, 2025 12:13 PM (77rzZ)

326 very little public morality left, combined with a great deal of money floating around. Recipe for massive corruption and game fixing.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Yep. My guess is college football or basketball is going to be the avenue. Apparently now hedge funds and private equity are getting into the college NIL game which is a bomb destroying college sports as we know them.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:13 PM (WDjG6)

327 safe travels, AOP!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 20, 2025 12:13 PM (kHop/)

328 NOOD ACE!

Posted by: Nazdar at October 20, 2025 12:13 PM (NcvvS)

329 >>We shall see but I think we have reached and passed peak Vegas. The clue is not what government does but watching for new investments by private corporations. No new buildings, then expect a decline as there already is in employment there.

Some friends went to a concert at the Sphere last year and said it was fantastic. That is something I want to see. I drove past it last year but didn't have time to check it out.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 20, 2025 12:13 PM (viF8m)

330 Now they think of themselves as a vacation destination that also has gambling, kind of a corrupt version of Orlando with smoking and slots. So the hospitality side became expensive as the gambling slackened because of competition from online and tribal casinos.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 12:04 PM (dfIr7)
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That's about it.

I got the run down about LV by our most talkative Lyft driver.

Posted by: Axeman at October 20, 2025 12:14 PM (krQz2)

331
https://tinyurl.com/49y7vncm
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2025 12:08 PM (PFs9e)

there's a guns rights activist Law Tuber named
Runkle of the Bailey. By his physical appearance, he is NOT what immediately comes to mind when one imagines a gun advocate.

I believe he is Alberta based. Will be interesting to see his take on this fawkery.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2025 12:14 PM (dCxaZ)

332 "More than 100 countries had gathered in London"

That's alot of people.

But seriously, if they cared about the climate they would work remote.

Posted by: Fen at October 20, 2025 12:14 PM (jyNP8)

333
But without jobs, those places lose population steadily.
Posted by: whig
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Right. It's that ratio that Powell doesn't understand/care about.
A fellow's got to have a job in order to pay the house note.
And small businesses are the breeding ground of new employment. Not G.E. (his master)

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 20, 2025 12:14 PM (aNKhG)

334 nood!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 20, 2025 12:14 PM (kHop/)

335 Nood Ace

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 20, 2025 12:15 PM (i24o9)

336 313 very little public morality left, combined with a great deal of money floating around. Recipe for massive corruption and game fixing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2025 12:10 PM (uWKK

The NBA has already had scandals involving refs calling (or not calling) fouls based on how they'd bet on the game.

Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 12:15 PM (UnA8+)

337 I have heard also that the casinos and related businesses are bought out by private equity, and are treating the whole place like Joanne's Fabric.
Posted by: Kindltot
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Private equity, from recent evidence, seems to focus on strip-mining assets leaving destruction in their wake.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:15 PM (WDjG6)

338 319 I was home on leave and answered the phone. Mom was laughing like hell, telling me to go down to the station and sign Dad out. He got swept up in a gambling raid with a bunch of other geezers. It was the emporiums turn in the bucket and they were reopened a couple weeks later. Dad and I went to the track the next day.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 20, 2025 12:15 PM (gm9Sb)

339 Vegas was a destination for fun and food at a reasonable cost. A weekend getaway for many and vacation for others.

The cost for the average person is now prohibitive.

And it's not as fun.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 12:16 PM (EYmYM)

340 So the hospitality side became expensive as the gambling slackened because of competition from online and tribal casinos.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 12:04 PM (dfIr7)
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But the hospitality side didn't have to become expensive.

Posted by: the way I see it at October 20, 2025 12:18 PM (EYmYM)

341 But without jobs, those places lose population steadily.
Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 12:09 PM (WDjG6)

Pulling money and credit creation down to the local and regional banks will do a lot for the industrialization of rural and backwater areas. That and the Fed giving up the centralized Fed-rate to the regional banks to set local lending rates so Louisiana is no longer supporting NY borrowing by paying NY rates.

Why was there so much manufacturing in Ohio and Indiana in 1900, and why is there none now is a big question. Answering that might give us a way back.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 20, 2025 12:22 PM (rbvCR)

342 Posted by: Ben Had

Thank you. I don't know if they don't accept stuff that far out, or if they are truly booked that far out.

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire at October 20, 2025 12:24 PM (4MksP)

343 And Vegas is viewed as a "boomer" thing (anyone under the age of 30 thinks boomer means "old"), its not cool or even attractive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2025 11:54 AM (dfIr7)

And to anyone under 30, 35 is old.
Posted by: XTC at October 20, 2025 11:55 AM (UnA8+)

Watch the movie "Wild In The Streets" from 1968. My wife and I saw that when we were dating. No one ever thinks they're going to get old.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at October 20, 2025 01:09 PM (5xuJ/)

344 > Posted by: whig at October 20, 2025 11:30 AM (WDjG6)

> That statement is factually inaccurate. All has to do with the nature of the goods being sold and whether the merchandise exporting country decides to either drop their prices or subsidizes their exports to maintain market share.

No it is factually accurate. Its simple economics- cost of business are passed onto the consumer. Tariffs are just taxes that consumers pay. You can argue that's a good thing, but that's separate from what it is. You don't want it to be, because that makes you look bad - because taxes ARE bad.

> A country cannot run 50 years of consistent trade deficits in a free trade environment. Not possible under pure theory of equilibrium that you seem to propose.

This is beside the point. But also wrong.

Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at October 20, 2025 02:25 PM (dQqhc)

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