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G'Day everyone
Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2025 04:00 AM (+qU29) 2
guten morgen, horde
Posted by: clarence at October 16, 2025 04:01 AM (Q8mju) 3
a late w00t
Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:01 AM (aURVT) 4
Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.
Posted by: olddog in mo at October 16, 2025 04:01 AM (hoCmQ) 5
>>>If you're arguing with someone online who seems to be impenetrably stupid, chances are they're not human.
I ... I mean .... >>>Though of course there are still plenty of impenetrably stupid humans around. I mean, yes? Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:03 AM (aURVT) 6
(I haven't read the linked article yet.)
The Dead Internet Theory turns out not to be just a theory. (Business Insider) Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:04 AM (aURVT) 7
Mornin'
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at October 16, 2025 04:04 AM (xA5g+) Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:05 AM (aURVT) 9
It's 4am. Time for bed. But I made it for Pixy's thread. Cool.
I'm still up actively working on my project with BOTH ChatGPT and Grok. I actually have them cooperating on finding solutions to our problems. It's actually pretty interesting. I'll present one's idea to the other. That generates other ideas. I bring it back to the first one and they get ideas. And with the back and forth, their blind spots dissolve and problems get fixed. Let's keep that amongst us humans. It's 4am and the issue is FINALLY resolved. What I'm working on isn't earth shatteringly difficult either. Should be better tomorrow. Everyone have a good day or night or whatever. Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, LOVED, APPRECIATED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.4% at October 16, 2025 04:07 AM (Sco7b) 10
I saw somewhere (how helpful!) that X is considering not paying creators anymore, allegedly because the payments have incentivized Bad Behavior.
Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:08 AM (aURVT) Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 16, 2025 04:09 AM (i24o9) 12
bots on the internet; relatedly:
How 73% of Your E-commerce Visitors Could Be Fake https://archive.is/mOc2f (DataCops) Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:13 AM (aURVT) 13
>>>Though of course there are still plenty of impenetrably stupid humans around.
They should be calling it Artificial Stupidity, but then they couldn't be attracting big VC cash and selling dumbass politicians on its fake and gay potential to revolutionize . . . uh . . . something. Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 16, 2025 04:13 AM (i24o9) 14
I know Pixy's views on AI and I kind of agree.
My tasks aren't that difficult. And AI has helped. But I know exactly what I want and I have argued with them over things. A lot. I remember one of the articles here. AI are the ultimate 'Yes Men.' Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at October 16, 2025 04:15 AM (Sco7b) 15
>>>If you're arguing with someone online who seems to be impenetrably stupid, chances are they're not human.
I ... I mean .... >>>Though of course there are still plenty of impenetrably stupid humans around. I mean, yes? Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:03 AM (aURVT) You know the old saying? It takes two to be stupid on the internet. Unless you're arguing with AI. Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 16, 2025 04:16 AM (i24o9) 16
I saw somewhere (how helpful!) that X is considering not paying creators anymore, allegedly because the payments have incentivized Bad Behavior.
Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:08 AM Great. Now do EweToob and 1st amendment auditors. Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 16, 2025 04:17 AM (RO7u6) 17
So, did that mean Anthropic has impenetrably stupid humans or you intend to triple you revenue in 2026? Both?
On the Nvidia desktop AI box, one consideration is that the higher price is a one-time thing, while the performance difference is forever. If the same tasks are noticeably faster, it adds up to a chunk of your life. As I have advised on those shopping for displays, a higher price only hits you once but you'll be living with that screen for years. OTOH, if the following year's AMD APU box is about the same price with a significant performance improvement, you can have both and run them cooperatively for AI and separately for more conventional uses. Posted by: Epobirs at October 16, 2025 04:19 AM (/0z9K) 18
huh; maybe this is info about the X-payment changes:
Elon Musk's X shifts creator payment model from ads to engagement Starting November 8, 2024, X will no longer compensate creators based on ad views but will instead reward them for engagement from X Premium users https://archive.is/8H1yA (BuzzInContent) - who? Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:19 AM (aURVT) Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 16, 2025 04:22 AM (mlg/3) Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 16, 2025 04:24 AM (RO7u6) 21
Safe travels, horde.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 16, 2025 04:26 AM (i24o9) 22
An online report claiming X might discontinue its Creator Monetization Program has been debunked as “fake news.”
The X account Rawalerts posted, “An X executive has reportedly suggested that the platform may discontinue its creator monetization program claiming the initiative has ultimately caused more harm than benefit to the platform and its community.” https://archive.is/8uflF (Hindustan Times) Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:31 AM (aURVT) 23
22 The X account Rawalerts
Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:31 AM (aURVT) That shoulda been Rawsalerts, I imagine. https://nitter.net/rawsalerts Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:38 AM (aURVT) 24
yep, it is this wild and wacky account:
R A W S A L E R T S @rawsalerts 15h 🚨#BREAKING: An X executive has reportedly suggested that the platform may discontinue its creator monetization program claiming the initiative has ultimately caused more harm than benefit to the platform and its community. Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:40 AM (aURVT) 25
11 You know what they call the guy who came in last place in the Excel World Championships?
Nerd. Posted by: Comrade Flounder Seem to recall the strategy game 'Space Empires' was nicknamed 'Spreadsheets. in. SPAAACCCEEEE!!!' Posted by: Puddleglum at work at October 16, 2025 04:40 AM (xA5g+) 26
It's Fall that's cruel
Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2025 04:40 AM (+qU29) 27
It's Fall that's cruel clear and a bit cool outside
See you when I get to work Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2025 04:49 AM (+qU29) 28
Now I've got "Cruel to Be Kind" as an earworm.
Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:53 AM (aURVT) 29
Autumn leaves ( electronica )
youtube.com/watch?v=0C9Vuk9K0HM Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 16, 2025 04:56 AM (mlg/3) 30
Morning all
Posted by: rickb223 at October 16, 2025 04:59 AM (X8sJa) 31
G'mornin' everyone!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 16, 2025 05:05 AM (kHop/) 32
An X exec talked about it but nothing has been done so far. Musk disagreed with his suggestion it be eliminated or replaced with another system, and even indicated he felt the payouts should be higher.
Posted by: Epobirs at October 16, 2025 05:19 AM (/0z9K) 33
g'mornin', 'rons Posted by: AltonJackson at October 16, 2025 05:21 AM (tljrc) 34
BOING!
Waiting for my Thinkpad E16 to be cleared from Israel customs and arrive at my door. Then I'll gratefully take advantage of MW's links comment on the ONT with links how to tame Win11 before putting it to use. Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 16, 2025 05:39 AM (okFN+) 35
morning yall. I'm about to start my trek. Say a prayer to the gods of rotating assemblies and bearings.
Posted by: fd at October 16, 2025 05:43 AM (vFG9F) 36
Good morning. Lil' brother called last night to tell me his cancer has returned after the Whipple surgery earlier this year. I would appreciate the prayers of those so inclined.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 16, 2025 05:45 AM (3Ope8) 37
good fortune to you, fd!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 16, 2025 05:47 AM (kHop/) 38
Greetings and good morning, one and all. I will have to address my coffee deficit in the next few minutes.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 16, 2025 05:49 AM (NR6c1) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 05:49 AM (7RYym) 40
50 degrees, overcast, chance of rain (& coffee)
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Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 16, 2025 05:45 AM (3Ope
![]() Will pray for your brother for complete healing. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 05:50 AM (7RYym) 42
Posted by: fd at October 16, 2025 05:43 AM (vFG9F
Will pray for a: safe trip for you fans all the morons and ettes. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 05:51 AM (7RYym) 43
'Twas the evening and the morning of the Thor's Day, and Odin looked and said that it was not bad for a first try. (The original translation seems to have been garbled.)
I'm up, though, about half an hour earlier than I planned. Not the furry thugs' fault. Little Dagny was sleeping next to me, and Stirling decided to pounce on her for some incomprehensible cat reason. I thought I heard her hiss at him -- so I'm not sure she thought it was play. Anyhow! Whassup, all? Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 16, 2025 05:52 AM (omVj0) 44
28 Now I've got "Cruel to Be Kind" as an earworm.
Posted by: m at October 16, 2025 04:53 AM (aURVT) If you haven't come across this: https://is.gd/9q44nV Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 16, 2025 05:53 AM (PiwSw) 45
Another day of work
Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2025 05:55 AM (xatjc) 46
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Wow; That was a weird typo. Fans? I don't know who the patron saint of cars might be. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 05:57 AM (looXz) 47
"Because of her many safe trips on the road, Saint Frances of Rome was declared patron of automobile drivers by Pope Pius XI."
Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 16, 2025 06:00 AM (ZmEVT) 48
Christian woman married a long time ( 62 years) reflects on married life of and Ruth 2:8-12:
https://tinyurl.com/mvxf3bfj Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 06:00 AM (ZeH0U) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 06:01 AM (ZeH0U) 50
? I don't know who the patron saint of cars might be.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 *** St. Falcon of Dearborn? St. Buick of Flint? Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 16, 2025 06:01 AM (omVj0) 51
" Saint Christopher is the patron saint of travellers, including motorists, who sometimes hang a small image of him in their vehicle for
Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 16, 2025 06:02 AM (ZmEVT) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 06:04 AM (ZeH0U) 53
"Saint Christopher is the patron saint of travellers, including motorists, who sometimes hang a small image of him in their vehicle for luck safe travels."
Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 16, 2025 06:02 AM Also St. Nicholas. Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 16, 2025 06:06 AM (RO7u6) Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 16, 2025 06:06 AM (PiwSw) 55
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 16, 2025 06:06 AM (PiwSw
That man smiles far too much. It's really creepy. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 06:08 AM (ZeH0U) 56
I have a maxed out M4 pro, it can run windows 11 in a coherent vm, I can be running acad, visio, blender, Bambu studio excel, word, project, etc. simultaneously with absolutely no slowdown.
Thing is a beast, M5 is going to out beast it. Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2025 06:13 AM (MbT40) 57
That man smiles far too much. It's really creepy.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 *** Every pic I've ever seen of Chairman Mao had the same faint smile on his moon face. I wonder if Lenin, Trotsky, or Stalin smiled like that when they were young. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 16, 2025 06:14 AM (omVj0) 58
Good Morning!
Let's smile & be happy & strike fear into the heart of killjoy leftists everywhere. Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 16, 2025 06:17 AM (881BD) 59
Birdbath status?
Posted by: Just Wondering at October 16, 2025 06:18 AM (33HFj) 60
There are numerous pictures of Stalin smiling, a couple of Lenin, there are no pictures of Trotsky smiling only what could be characterized as a smirk.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2025 06:19 AM (MbT40) 61
Trotsky is the only Head Bolshevik I never bothered to read in a biography.
Kind of a dead end I thought and deserved what he got. Maybe the head Revolutionary who got eaten Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2025 06:21 AM (xatjc) 62
Mao was always thinking of the young pootie he was getting.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 16, 2025 06:21 AM (ZmEVT) Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 16, 2025 06:22 AM (ZmEVT) 64
Mandami smiles constantly because he is lying either lying to you or lusting for you.
Posted by: Accomack at October 16, 2025 06:23 AM (Udy3r) 65
This is horrible. Everyone telling the Secretary they should "Smile More". So problematic.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 16, 2025 06:24 AM (06Hmj) 66
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 16, 2025 06:17 AM
Mornin', NaCly! At the airport waiting to board! Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 16, 2025 06:25 AM (RO7u6) 67
MaCollum missed an opportunity to ask Mandami if using children as human shields and having a military headquarters under a hospital is "consistent with international law."
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 16, 2025 06:25 AM (PiwSw) 68
The Romanians installed an AI into their cabinet.
If someone made a "realdoll" out of Ketanji-Jackson and loaded it up with AI, would anyone notice? Posted by: gKWVE at October 16, 2025 06:26 AM (gKWVE) 69
This is a weird story. Chaplains in the Canadian armed forces are limited in what they can pray. And what is the point of a humanist chaplain? From Rebel News Canada:
https://tinyurl.com/msc73k67 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 06:26 AM (ix8EF) 70
I too am up earlier than I wanted to be. Phone interview with someone in the Yookay. I'm too old for this tish
Posted by: gKWVE at October 16, 2025 06:27 AM (gKWVE) 71
68 The Romanians installed an AI into their cabinet.
If someone made a "realdoll" out of Ketanji-Jackson and loaded it up with AI, would anyone notice? Posted by: gKWVE at October 16, 2025 06:26 AM (gKWVE) I know, right? Posted by: All the programming you'd need for some people at October 16, 2025 06:27 AM (PiwSw) 72
In Texas.
On my way down, I saved my own life from other traffic on I-35. I was also stopped by the Texas Highway Patrol. Their story: I was given a warning. Very professional. My story: I had to hop on one foot while touching my nose with alternate forefingers. Then the questions started: What is my Favorite color? Deck Grey. What is the airspeed of an unladen European swallow? 36 km/ hour. What is the capital of the Middle Assyrian Empire?Assur. "Here is your warning. Drive safely. Lots of wild drivers out there. " Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 16, 2025 06:27 AM (881BD) Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 16, 2025 06:29 AM (881BD) 74
Thomas Bender, Stalin actually had a sense of humor.
As he put it, it was like food - not everyone gets it. Posted by: gKWVE at October 16, 2025 06:29 AM (gKWVE) Posted by: gKWVE is headed to the nerd tank at October 16, 2025 06:30 AM (gKWVE) 76
Listed to a podcast on Joseph Fouche. The secret police head from the Revolution through Napoleon on the way today
Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2025 06:32 AM (xatjc) Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 16, 2025 06:34 AM (881BD) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 06:35 AM (Nx5jP) 79
Silver at $53.30 per oz. That means a 1964 Kennedy half dollar has $19.04 worth of silver in it, and pre-1965 dime has $3.80 worth of silver in it.
Gold at $4256.70 per Oz. Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at October 16, 2025 06:35 AM (Da7Vv) 80
I was also stopped by the Texas Highway Patrol.
Their story: I was given a warning. Very professional. You need to go buy a lottery ticket. You found a unicorn. Posted by: rickb223 at October 16, 2025 06:41 AM (IXK4c) 81
Safe travels for you and your formidable Mom.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 16, 2025 06:29 AM And to you! Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 16, 2025 06:42 AM (RO7u6) 82
And before I forget to mention:
Yesterday was the second of three injections to my knee. I am definitely seeing even more improvement. I keep getting asked if I'm feeling better. My answer is when you have pain that never lets up and mocks you constantly, a reduction of 3 percent is very noticeable. Posted by: NR Pax at October 16, 2025 06:53 AM (NR6c1) 83
You folks be safe, and see you there.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 16, 2025 06:53 AM (hGA0Z) 84
In 1985, I was driving the family through Texas and got pulled over for speeding.
The Trooper ran the license and plate and came back and just gave me a warning. Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 16, 2025 06:55 AM (ZmEVT) 85
Waiting for Godot (JJ)?
Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 16, 2025 06:57 AM (ZmEVT) 86
I suppose this news is tech-related; how Reddit addressed its antisemitism problem:
x.com/AshleyRindsberg/status/1978241694710788202 It set up a ghetto. I'm serious. Reddit reached back to Jewish subreddits that complained and told them not to crosspost, and only to report on Judenhass that happened in those subreddits. Everywhere else, the Islamic jihadis and groypers and other scum could goosestep to their hearts' content. Reddit wasn't going to enforce its own TOS where it comes to heebs. Posted by: gKWVE at October 16, 2025 06:57 AM (gKWVE) 87
Man writes on being "pursued by God"
I fled Him, down the nights and down the days; I fled Him, down the arches of the years; I fled Him, down the labyrinthine ways Of my own mind; and in the mist of tears I hid from Him, and under running laughter. Up vistaed hopes, I sped; And shot, precipitated, Adown Titanic glooms of chasmèd fears, From those strong Feet that followed, followed after. But with unhurrying chase, And unperturbèd pace, Deliberate speed, majestic instancy, They beat - and a Voice beat More instant than the Feet - "All things betray thee, who betrayest Me." Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 16, 2025 06:58 AM (tgvbd) 88
My old man has buying silver, convinced by thise TV ads that it's going "to the moon!".
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2025 06:58 AM (CLFWO) 89
Bannanarama would be much improved by bikinis
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2025 06:59 AM (CLFWO) 90
The ironic thing about Reddit ghettoizing Jews is that a large early investor was the Newhouse family of Advance Publications and Conde Nast, and they are...Jewish.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2025 07:04 AM (hkixX) 91
Trotsky used to attract college commies for some reason. No idea why, but we had three Trotskyite clubs in college, and they just couldn't get along.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2025 07:07 AM (hkixX) 92
Huck Follywood, one of the Reddit builders of that ghetto was Tiffany Katz. "Katz" isn't German; it's an acronym like "Rambam" in this case Kohen-Tzadek.
Posted by: gKWVE at October 16, 2025 07:09 AM (gKWVE) 93
Trotsky used to attract college commies for some reason. No idea why, but we had three Trotskyite clubs in college, and they just couldn't get along.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2025 07:07 AM (hkixX) Splitter! Posted by: Peoples Front at October 16, 2025 07:10 AM (wVcYX) 94
Finally a day off.
4 days til doom if not upgraded to Windows 11. I've searched the internet on why this will cause death and destruction and continue to get the same explanation, pretty much word for word. Pretty much flogging the need for security updates and critical updates. If I don't update to 11 and continue to use Bitdefender will I run the risk of having my computer's security compromised? I also use a very, very old piece of software that I've nursed through 3 or 4 upgrades, it's desktop publishing that no longer gets updated due to the company going out of business. Really, really do not want to upgrade 2 computers. Is this foolish of me? Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 16, 2025 07:10 AM (2NHgQ) 95
Trotsky used to attract college commies for some reason. No idea why, but we had three Trotskyite clubs in college, and they just couldn't get along. Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2025 07:07 AM (hkixX) He's a commie without being Stalin. Like how they all say that Lenin was great, it was just that Stalin perverted his program. Whereas Stalin just perfected it. Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 16, 2025 07:10 AM (tgvbd) 96
Huck They were nice enough birds as is
Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2025 07:10 AM (xatjc) 97
Just disabled Secure Boot on my Win 10 machine. Exported the favorites from MS Edge and imported onto the Linux machine (Brave and Firefox). When I get up later today, I might go ahead and install Linux 21.2 on old Win10 machine.
Or just wait till Sunday, when I'm off. Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at October 16, 2025 07:12 AM (sAmhv) 98
Nood JJ
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 16, 2025 07:12 AM (5AkzA) 99
Trump is busily building the new White House Party Palace and now he wants to build a triumphal arch, Roman style. No word on whether he intends herding Democrats through it and then throwing them into a pit.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2025 07:16 AM (P4vtF) 100
36. I would appreciate the prayers of those so inclined.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead Of course. Prayers for your brother up. 🙏 Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day. at October 16, 2025 07:20 AM (NFX2v) 101
Is this foolish of me?
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 16, 2025 07:10 AM (2NHgQ) It’s up to you and whatever risk level you’re comfortable with. Stay on Win10 on those machines if you want. Just make sure you keep BitDefender updated in case there are any exploits hackers come up with. If you ever get paranoid you could always airgap the PCs and never connect to them the internet, they’ll be safe as can be at that point. Keep an eye out here and elsewhere for any articles on Win10 being hacked and then worry about it. Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 16, 2025 07:26 AM (6ydKt) 102
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 16, 2025 06:58 AM (tgvbd)
Very nice poem, "The Hound of Heaven". Thanks. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2025 07:36 AM (7RYym) 103
Trump did a deal in Gaza to do a deal. Either he got pwned by Hamas or he knew it was all bullshit but didnt care.
Either way Israel got fucked. You cannot deal with those savages. Only destroy them. Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 16, 2025 09:01 AM (5Yz+T) 104
103 Trump did a deal in Gaza to do a deal. Either he got pwned by Hamas or he knew it was all bullshit but didnt care.
Either way Israel got fucked. You cannot deal with those savages. Only destroy them. ----------------- You are missing the big deal - that Israel and the larger Muslim Mid East are all invested in getting along and getting ahead. The Muzzie trash has been trashed by all the real players in the Mid East. Those that play to get even always lose. Posted by: Pudinhead at October 16, 2025 09:24 AM (AdHga) 105
Windows 10 users, if you check in setting for the end of support message, they're giving a year of updates for free if meet certain requirements. One of them seems to be using OneDrive, which was already a given for me. So far all three machines attached to my account have been enrolled without problems. Hopefully, a year from now, I'll have more options in terms of newer hardware. I expect desktop Linux may see a lot of improvement with the influx of new users to engage.
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